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We counted every line in every Tarantino movie to see how often women talk. This involved me seeing Once Upon a Time… two nights in a row, furiously making hash marks in a notebook in the dark while getting intermittent death stares from my seat neighborhttps://t.co/bT2nU23TMn
— Elijah Wolfson (@elijahwolfson) August 6, 2019
From Time:
The data show clearly that men have gotten the majority of dialogue in Tarantino’s films.
It’s almost as if Quentin Tarantino is not a public utility, but instead is an individual man with individual strengths and weaknesses, such as being better at writing dialogue for men (and, moreover, for certain types of men: e.g., middle-aged Hollywood tough guys) than for women or talking babies or space robots or whatever.
A huge problem facing 21st Century culture is that most of the grand achievements of the last 600 years, back to Brunelleschi and Donatello in 15th Century Florence, were the work of individual white men.
After such knowledge, what forgiveness?
For example:
Contemporary Afro-Cuban, Chicago-based painter Harmonia Rosales' re-imagining of Michelangelo's 'The Creation of Adam' entitled 'The Creation of God' #womensart pic.twitter.com/rnUMvutLO1
— #WOMENSART (@womensart1) August 7, 2019
To digress to a different topic, “Tarantino” is another example of Sailer’s Law of Celebrity Surnames: Italian surnames tend to have the optimal combination of being fairly unique while fairly easy to spell and pronounce, making it easy to refer to celebrities with an Italian surname just by their last name.
For example, “DiCaprio” clearly refers to the movie star of that surname. On the other hand, “Pitt” might well refer to the major movie star of that name, but could also refer to British statesmen Pitt the Elder and/or Pitt the Younger, or the U. of Pittsburgh and/or it’s football team. Or the minor movie star Michael Pitt. “Pitt” can be confusing, so most people wind up saying “Brad Pitt,” like “Adam Smith” has gone thru history as “Adam Smith,” not quite graduating to the ranks of One Name Thinkers like Machiavelli, Hume, and Marx.
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As long as they spell “Tarantino” correctly, he is fine with whatever blather they write.
“Brad Pitt” also has half the syllables of DiCaprio, and a quarter if you throw in “Leonardo.”
Perhaps brevity is a factor?
We must also consider that women produce a lot of hot air, and being that DeCaprio is a fierce anti-global warming opportunist… I mean, advocate, then maybe he insisted that whatshername keep it buttoned up as much as possible.
Steve
You haven’t made a post about Patchogue Long Island yet….
Sometimes just the first name is sufficiently rare to identify the person, for example LeBron or Elvis.
>The data show clearly that men have gotten the majority of dialogue in Tarantino’s films. <
I really hate being lectured by 12 year old girls.
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Egalitarianism%20as%20a%20Revolt%20Against%20Nature,%20and%20Other%20Essays_2.pdf
OT but Sailer’s Trump-like timing shows up in Seattle Times:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/kent-police-officer-shoots-teenage-driver/
This article’s headline BLARES that police shot a “teen” for a traffic stop (for expired registration). Later in the article they admit that there was a gun in the car and the driver had a long violent criminal history (at 15!). (I’m making an educated guess here because the driver’s race was not mentioned.)
How is this relevant? Kent is not far from Renton, and saw the first wave of Rath-like exodus from Seattle.
So, Renton, in five years you will have the pleasure of being blamed for shooting Seattle’s ex-residents!
The paper also ran a long series on an unclosed murder case in Renton, where the assailant was a gang member who had moved up from California to spread good cheer. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/in-the-dark-renton-washington-police-cold-case-double-homicide/
Elijah Wolfson
Type “Sailer” into Bing or Google, and Steve comes out on top. Well, next to the definition of a sailing ship of some kind.
Sailer is a one-name guy. Now all the public has to do is learn how to spell his name correctly.
I just saw this movie today , mostly because so many of you guys liked it . It was OK . That poor Italian woman’s first day in the USA . BTW Ca. is the only state in the union where it is illegal to own a flame thrower .
I really hate being lectured by 12 year old girls.Replies: @newrouter, @Bard of Bumperstickers
It should be : ” lectured to by 12 “. Sometimes I can edit my posts and sometimes it is not possible. Adding: Like this one because I can edit it.
https://twitter.com/quentntarentino/status/1158924899827834881
IKR? It’s almost like you have to see a Tarantino flick just for relief.
Tarantino is a hack though. I don’t know how you could lump him in among “the grand achievements of the last 600 years.”
In the 90s, people had to pretend to like Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. His movies over the past 2 decades have been terrible. Try watching the Kill Bill movies again. They’re a cringe inducing mess.
Tarantino has been allowed to make his movies because they’re vulgar, gratuitously violent, transgressive, and promote leftist Hollywood tropes and narratives. Nobody is going to remember his movies in 20 years, although I suppose there could be a Tarantino appreciation renaissance once we hit full blown Idiocracy.
I’ve always been mystified by your Hollywood boosterism given your politics. You sort of try to justify it with half assed rationalizations about it being a major national industry and export and a localist thing in LA, but no genuine rightist could support such an industry, and both LA and the industry are too rootless to justify localism.
I don't think either 'Dogs' or 'Fiction' will have staying power, but, like I said, at the time, they were very new and different.
Oh, and I'd bet Morricone was accurately quoted the first time saying he thought Tarantino was a cretin before he backpedaled.
At an early age Australian model/actress, probably best known onscreen from “arrested development” Amanda Rogers became Portia de Rossi, which probably helped her career.
Damn, that’s good.
I like Tarantino, I’m a big fan of his movies, but sometimes I wonder.
He is also lucky that Paul Sorvino isn't his movie character.
Wow. Time Magazine got the scoop that Tarantino movies have more male character dialog. Maybe their next scoop will be that Saving Private Ryan or the The Godfather had mostly male dialogue.
Movies are supposed to be a form of escape from reality anyway, and women do most of the talking in real life. If guys wanted to hear women talking they’d just stay home with their wives and girlfriends and watch The View instead of going out to the movies.
One scene with my sister-in-law and this disparate impact will be a thing of the past.
Mr. Wolfson speaks for women now?
Why wasn’t I consulted about this?
I can tell you with virtually 100% certainty that there’s not more than a handful of women alive who give a flying f*** about how many lines QT does or does not write for women.
Meyer Wolfsheim
Breaking news from an American “journalist” and “public intellectual”:
Quentin Tarintino is not Louisa May Alcott.
Perhaps brevity is a factor?Replies: @NickG
No, that’s Tom Cruise…
If you do not want to be another Basic Becky, and your name is a White boomer(ish) name like Susan, you can go by your initials, e.g., S.E. Cupp.
By the way, 2-3 centuries ago, it was vastly more common for people to refer to themselves by their first and middle initials, followed by their last name.
Movies are supposed to be a form of escape from reality anyway, and women do most of the talking in real life. If guys wanted to hear women talking they'd just stay home with their wives and girlfriends and watch The View instead of going out to the movies.Replies: @Rufio Panman Fan
The writer didn’t even watch “every” Tarantino movie. Death Proof was completely ignored. He needlessly lies through omission to fit his narrative that nobody outside of his chosen profession gives a rat’s ass about.
“It’s almost as if Quentin Tarantino is not a public utility”
These days the electric company is objectively biased in favor of intelligent white and NE Asian men.
There are now about 14 different “time of use” plans you can switch back and forth online, complicated appliance rebates, hi tech thermostat that will offer to give you $15 if you turn off your AC on a especially hot day.
“One Name Thinkers like Machiavelli, Hume, and Marx.”
Hume wisely changed his name from Home, which is confusing to use by itself. Think of the alternative:
“Descartes anticipated Home.”
“Descartes went to whose home? What?”
By the way, 2-3 centuries ago, it was vastly more common for people to refer to themselves by their first and middle initials, followed by their last name.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Prosa123
Early 20th Century: T.S. Eliot, C.S. Lewis, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._S._Haldane
Why stop with Tarintino?
The Beatles are the biggest musical act in history and men got to sing nearly all the vocals on their records. Other than that one line by Yoko in “Bungalow Bill” and the backing vocals on “Across The Universe” (first version) and “The Long And Winding Road” it’s all men!
Someone needs to correct this deeply problematic situation. Let’s pass a law that forces EMI to institute retroactive gender equality and equity. Then we can have Giles Martin overdub Ariana Grande, Cardi B., and Taylor Swift on all their tracks. Only then as a society will we be Complete and Equal.
What’s there to wonder about? He is a big weirdo.
He is also lucky that Paul Sorvino isn’t his movie character.
In the 90s, people had to pretend to like Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. His movies over the past 2 decades have been terrible. Try watching the Kill Bill movies again. They're a cringe inducing mess.
Tarantino has been allowed to make his movies because they're vulgar, gratuitously violent, transgressive, and promote leftist Hollywood tropes and narratives. Nobody is going to remember his movies in 20 years, although I suppose there could be a Tarantino appreciation renaissance once we hit full blown Idiocracy.
I've always been mystified by your Hollywood boosterism given your politics. You sort of try to justify it with half assed rationalizations about it being a major national industry and export and a localist thing in LA, but no genuine rightist could support such an industry, and both LA and the industry are too rootless to justify localism.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @South Texas Guy
Lots of people watch movies. Like it or not, movie, like other cultural items, criticism is too important to be left to well, the left.
By the way, 2-3 centuries ago, it was vastly more common for people to refer to themselves by their first and middle initials, followed by their last name.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Prosa123
Joanne Rowling decided to write under her initials J.K. because she knew young peoples’ books by a female author would not sell as well.
Quentin Tarantino is a pervert who makes pervert movies for, wait for it, perverts. Like you.
In the 90s, people had to pretend to like Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. His movies over the past 2 decades have been terrible. Try watching the Kill Bill movies again. They're a cringe inducing mess.
Tarantino has been allowed to make his movies because they're vulgar, gratuitously violent, transgressive, and promote leftist Hollywood tropes and narratives. Nobody is going to remember his movies in 20 years, although I suppose there could be a Tarantino appreciation renaissance once we hit full blown Idiocracy.
I've always been mystified by your Hollywood boosterism given your politics. You sort of try to justify it with half assed rationalizations about it being a major national industry and export and a localist thing in LA, but no genuine rightist could support such an industry, and both LA and the industry are too rootless to justify localism.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @South Texas Guy
Both ‘Resevoir Dogs,’ and ‘Pulp Fiction,’ (especially the latter) were truly groundbreaking movies at the time. There simply wasn’t anything else like them. ‘Kill Bill’ was overlong and derivitative, but it kept me watching. Honestly, I can’t tell you what ‘Jackie Brown’ was about, and I never saw any of his other movies. (I gave up on Inglorious Basterds after a half hour).
I don’t think either ‘Dogs’ or ‘Fiction’ will have staying power, but, like I said, at the time, they were very new and different.
Oh, and I’d bet Morricone was accurately quoted the first time saying he thought Tarantino was a cretin before he backpedaled.
Saw the d movie today as a result of all this movie star and Hwood blather. Best actorly work is DiCaprio as if blowing his lines. Loathed the plethora of foul language throughout. No art to it, sacre bleu! The ending reminded me that I was in a movie house and made me wish I weren’t. Up to that point I liked the director’s vision.
Also works for masculinity in general if one prefers a less literal interpretation.
Hillary.
He is also married to a South Asian apparatchik, Jas Johl. Interestingly, his father is semi-Orthodox scholar of mysticism Elliot Wolfson
I really hate being lectured by 12 year old girls.Replies: @newrouter, @Bard of Bumperstickers
“Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays” by Murray Rothbard:
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Egalitarianism%20as%20a%20Revolt%20Against%20Nature,%20and%20Other%20Essays_2.pdf
But where the hell does one go in the other 49 states to buy a flamethrower?
Death Proof had mountains of female dialog. I watched half of it and couldn’t stay awake for yet another scene of actresses spouting pointless dialog.
You would think there are other targets to go for besides the guy who did Jackie Brown and the two Kill Bill’s.
I don’t think Tarantino is as “cool” as he used to be. And it’s not just because the SJW’s hate him. That’s coincidental.
Tarantino was really popular among hipster/college-age/20ish trendsetters from circa 2003-2013. But at some point then he became too popular, more mainstream & older audiences started to enjoy his hyper-violent quippy line schtick, and after 2014 or so (after Django, really) his movies lost their “it factor” and people stopped paying as much attention to them. He’s on his way to becoming a has-been, in my opinion. Maybe Star Trek will help him evolve his style and change that, however.
If you’re really big time (or latter-day wannabe) you get three letters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._S._Haldane
Easy allegorical interpretation is that Trump (Dalton) and the Deplorables (Pitt) are good for drawing/smacking down heat that would otherwise be directed at the beautiful people (Tate) and should therefore be welcomed back into the fold.
Also works for masculinity in general if one prefers a less literal interpretation.
Robbie’s the real lead because she hardly says a word. These Twitter progtard critics must all be autistic.
The movie isn’t big on talk in general. Pitt doesn’t have many lines either. More cattle, less hat.
H.P. Lovecraft, W.C. Fields, D.W. Griffith, N.C. Wyeth, J. C. Leyendecker, …..
By QT standards, the dialogue was actually fairly clean….
In the past five years or so there have been a number of films directed, produced and/or written by females in Hollywood. These were released with a big PR push about how “women in film” have finally “come of age” or similar laudatory announcements. Lots of extra ads. Most had large numbers of female lead actors.
So let someone, by genre, list those and compare the box office take of these feminist films (let’s call these) versus the box office average of regular films which arrived absent the PC quota. Lets call those Regular Films.
How does the marketplace evaluate Feminist Films? Does anyone want to place a bet?
I’m waiting anxiously for the hopefully frighteningly entertaining outcome of the Tarantino / Mamet transporter accident. Quentin’s beard…
They featured one on Forgotten Weapons a couple of years ago . I suppose if you were handy enough you could make your own .
“One Name Thinkers like Machiavelli, Hume, and Marx”
Would that be Groucho Marx?