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The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today. They really aren’t boiling the frog all that slowly. For example:

The March of the Karens

The name has come to represent an entitled and belligerent white woman. But what does this narrative say — and elide — about racism and sexism today?

To accompany this essay, the Columbus, Ohio-based artist Carmen Winant created six collages exclusively for T, all of which are titled “White Women Look Away” (2021). The works are a continuation of her 2016 series of the same name, made in response to that year’s presidential election and to the “lack of support Prof. Anita Hill received from white women” during her testimony in 1991, says Winant. “The center of my work is second-wave feminism,” she continues, “for all of its promise and potential — and for all of its problems.”

By Ligaya Mishan

Artwork by Carmen Winant
Aug. 12, 2021

… In recent years, “Karen” has become an epithet for a type of interfering, hectoring white woman, the self-appointed hall monitor unloosed on the world, so assured of her status in society that she doesn’t hesitate to summon the authorities — demanding to speak to the manager or calling the police — for the most trivial and often wholly imaginary transgressions.

What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women? For example, I’ve been informed by countless restaurant workers over the years that their very worst customers tend to be of that sacred race that the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”

 
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  1. Yes, in my experience, Karens are proportionately most likely to be black. But the fellow whites who run the NYT and almost all media and banks have a genocidal hatred of whites. And at this point it’s hard to blame them for going full steam ahead with the genocidal rhetoric. White liberals get off on this stuff.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @AndrewR

    I’ve known many professional class blacks, and few ever would call the police, most likely because they were just smart enough to realize they’re not working for their benefit. White women implicitly realize this and have no hesitation about calling the lawmen. The law exists to make white women comfortable, after all. That’s why right to abortion is a law, among others.

    , @EdwardM
    @AndrewR

    Not sure I agree. I think that "Karens" as the term has evolved refers to a busybody who wants to summon authority to enforce what she perceives as some transgression against the social order, while the black equivalent is more selfish, wanting the gibs for herself. White Karen thinks she's all about harmony, brought about by authoritarianism (which will naturally share her world view), while blacks are more socially equipped to achieve arbitrage admist the chaos.

  2. If a Karen does not get her way in a store, she will demand to speak to the manager. If a Kadeesha does not get her way in a store, she will demand that the clerk and the manager be fired and doxed, and get a mob together to burn down the store. See, there is a difference.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe, BB753
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Hannah Katz

    Exactly. Black Karens don't need to talk to no stinkin' manager, they are more apt to use "self help."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-xUe6ukM3o

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @BB753
    @Hannah Katz

    Kadeesha will likely never call the cops, not under any circumstance.

  3. No reason other than those white women snaking all the Affirmative Action for decades.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @PinochetTanks
    @Desiderius

    20 years ago, many of us were predicting this day would come--those of us who had "woke" white women in our families, or ones we worked with...you know, the ones who enjoyed all the same, real or imagined benefits of being white, but somehow were able to cast only white men as the villains. The recent public resignation of that school teacher in Loudon County, VA, had an interesting quote from her consistent with the public shift to vilifying white women (as white men had been for decades). She mentioned sitting through diversity training and being vilified as a "WHITE FEMALE", not just the generalized "white person". The article on Fox was cute in that it made it completely clear that the past predictions were happening in real time. White women are only waking up now, because they are now the targets. They were perfectly happy when it was just "some other random white dude, or a white male co-worker" being vilified.

    For decades, those smarmy white women smeared other white women's husbands, father's brothers, etc, and now the mob has come for them as well. The PC mob was always going to get around to them, but they had to consolidate their power first-which they have now done. Granted, there are still dumb white women who are posting twitterz about how they want to make sure they raise their white sons not to be racist--virtue signaling and all that-but that's all just buying time on a life raft with holes in it. They should be dragged (trolled) into every conversation about workplace diversity and wokeness. They should NEVER be excluded or shown any deference by white men.

  4. I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than “Canadians”–Indians from India.

    • Replies: @PSR
    @JimDandy

    I’ve never seen Indians out to dinner at anything other than an Indian restaurant (teens and 20-somethings excepted).

    Replies: @JimDandy, @JMcG

    , @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    Not all countries have the custom of tipping waiters, or the customary percentage is lower than in the US. In India, 5% is a standard tip and 10% is generous, according to their customs. Not all Indians reset their habits when they move to the US (though they should).

    But American blacks were born in this culture and they have no such excuse. I think "Canadian" style tipping comes from a different place. In case you haven't noticed, many blacks in America have a massive chip on their shoulder. They feel that they have been given the short end of the stick for the last 400 years. So, "society" owes them a karmic debt. Finally being in a position to order white people around, to run the waiters ragged and then stiff them on the tip, is payback for a lifetime of indignity in their minds.

    This may give you a hint as to how blacks will treat white people in general once they are in charge. Whenever I see some Federal case where a white white collar defendant (especially a Republican) has gotten into some sort of trouble in DC ("lying to a Federal officer") and the judge has come down on him like a ton of bricks, I check to see if the judge is black and usually he or she is.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JimDandy, @Harry Baldwin

    , @guest007
    @JimDandy

    What else would one expect from people from a society that has castes. The diners were from the top castes and natural treat food service workers as a lower caste.

    On the other hand, I have always found that operators of Indian restuarants are much better at customer service that the Chinese. The Chinese seem to be worst at customer service with Koreans being in the middle of Asian owned businesses.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @ATBOTL
    @JimDandy

    Jews are bad tippers too, I can tell you from experience. Jews also often have special requests and make extra work for wait staff in a very similar way to blacks. Indians are bad tippers, but are quiet and don't demand special treatment.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @The Plutonium Kid
    @JimDandy

    Actually, white Southerners are pretty bad tippers, too, and they're quite shameless about it. They're not nearly as demanding though. One complaint many restaurant owners and manager have about their Southern patrons is that they never complain, which makes it hard to make sure the service and food are up to par. They don't complain, of course, because they consider it bad manners to complain about a host's accommodations even if it's a commercial establishment. My father and stepmother once took me to a steakhouse for my birthday. The bill came to slightly more than $160 and they were utterly baffled when I object to the eight dollar tip there were going to leave.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Rapparee
    @JimDandy

    Of the ten most imperious, self-important, and and unreasonably demanding people I’ve ever had the misfortune of dealing with in a workplace setting, at least eight of them were some kind of South Asian. This isn’t my universal experience of Indians, so I suspect it’s particularly pronounced in certain castes or jatis.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @JimDandy

    You might be interested in some data that I aggregated into a graph.

    A waiter runs a very popular blog. Back in 2009, he asked his posters to give their personal opinions on which group tips the worse. See here: https://www.waiterrant.net/2009/11/who-are-the-worst-tippers/

    I graphed the results of how many posts referenced various selected ethnic groups.

    https://imgur.com/a/63BG4bI

    As you can see above, Blacks were referenced in nearly 178 posts. They were the champions for poor tipping.

    The second worst was a three-way tie of Indians (101), Christians (103), and Anglo-Europeans (93).

    Asians were a bit behind at 79 responses. Hispanics were referenced in 67 responses.

    Jews were referenced a mere 16 times.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  5. What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women? For example, I’ve been informed by countless restaurant workers over the years that their very worst customers tend to be of that sacred race that the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”

    As has been said before, everything the US media claims is about race is actually about class, everything the US media claims is about class is actually about race.

    Self-important rich women who think they are above everyone else piss everyone off all the time.

    I think some feminists also have a point that many women aren’t very assertive so sometimes when something happens and they are afraid of being unassertive they panic and overreach, like the girl who thought that the black guy stole her phone. She may have been worried that she was letting her unassertiveness (Or desire not to be seen as racist) allow him to go free.

    Finally, it’s a lot easier to point to innately disagreeable Southern/Midwestern WASP/Germanic or Northern Italian women as just baseline belligerent despite not being high status or wealthy than it is to talk about Indians, Chinese, Jews or blacks behaving the same way.

    Finally, women hate other women more than they can hate other men who they aren’t really socially competing with, so non-white women will create narratives about how white women are evil and wrong and illegitimate in order to salve their own anxieties about being immigrants and justify more ethnic cleansing. Instead of ‘We made the desert bloom!’ it’s ‘We shut the Karens up!’

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Altai2


    I think some feminists also have a point that many women aren’t very assertive so sometimes when something happens and they are afraid of being unassertive they panic and overreach, like the girl who thought that the black guy stole her phone. She may have been worried that she was letting her unassertiveness (Or desire not to be seen as racist) allow him to go free.
     
    This is a very shrewd observation. The same goes for female bosses, who overcompensate out of insecurity. To be fair, the same goes for weak male bosses, but with women I think it's directly related to their gender role insecurity.
    , @Skyler the Weird
    @Altai2

    I thought Ann Althouse said Bari Weiss showed the Central Park Karen may have had an issue: https://althouse.blogspot.com/2021/08/listen-to-bari-weisss-podcast-about.html

    , @SOL
    @Altai2

    "Finally, it’s a lot easier to point to innately disagreeable Southern"

    BS

  6. If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Desiderius


    If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    [Kinzinger being a knob]

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.
     
    Am I missing something, or would it have made much better sense 20 years ago or so to set up a garrison or a few of U.S. troops in some discrete, defensible areas of Afghanistan from which to project U.S. military might via quick, low-profile strikes against actual terrorists?

    I don't recall this whole affair having been explained to us 20 years ago in terms of making Afghanistan a first world Western style nation. It just sort of evolved from "we're going to get the bastards who did this" to "we need to fight to make sure Afghan girls go to school and become career women" drip by drip. Rooting out members of a terrorist organization is at least a discrete, somewhat achievable objective. Wholesale change of a stew of premodern tribal cultures into an Asian version of Canada by force is not. Early on I assumed that this nonsense was the domestically palatable pretext necessary to keep the whole thing going (please don't cut our appropriations, Senator Feinstein, of the Afghan girls will never experience multiple abortions!), but it seems that at a certain point the fools actually came to embrace this.

    I suppose one could remain agnostic about the Afghan war, but there is a principle worth insisting upon - viz, that the military actually have the support of the American public for its wars. The war was "lost" when people like Kinzinger failed to make a persuasive case for its continuation to the American people, and instead relied upon their distraction in order for the war to continue indefinitely. That the general officer corps seems to have treated these wars as fertile grounds for promotion and a springboard for lucrative post-commission employment is another grounds for skepticism.

    Replies: @Bill B., @anonymous

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Desiderius


    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.
     
    It's going to be hilarious when the Taliban recapture Kabul on the 20th anniversary of 9-11.

    I suggest loading up on popcorn and those yummy peanut butter filled pretzel bites.
    , @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    Afghan restoration threads on 4chan are pretty comfy. One European anon observed that at the current rate they'd have the country back in less than a month. On the radio startled and confused intelligence boffins babbled about six months and not wanting to speculate. Americans, the wheels are off, we can push the evil queen out the window, because nobody in the government is brighter or braver than Adam here. It wasn't an act, this really is a government run by people like Comey, Fauci, Ciamarella, Vintland, etc.. Biden's standing-up to Putin consisted of giving Putin everything he wanted plus telling him where to target; Biden's response to the Taliban was to beg them to be nice.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  7. Why legitimize the use of the word “racist”, especially as an attack?

    CivNats take us to the exact same place raging anti-Whites do, just with a kinder, gentler approach.

  8. Between winning World War II, when the world recognised American supremacy (Americans were 100% White) and today, what happened?

    Seriously, what happened?

    At that time you were tops of everything, unassailed victors without barely a scratch laid upon you. Today you’re a hated minority in your own country.

    In the year of 2021 can’t Taki’s and Unz explore this confounding conundrum? How did White America go from being world beaters to despised minority in their own borders, within 76 years of reigning supreme?

    I would have thought big brained cerebral types like Derbyshire would have a ready made excuse to roll out, like blaming it all on the Irish.

    Americans put a man on the moon only a few decades ago, something never after achieved.

    What happend?

    • Agree: Rob
    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Pat Hannagan


    Americans put a man on the moon only a few decades ago, something never after achieved.

    What happened?
     
    We returned from the moon and, like Odysseus, found that corruption had taken over our house. Unlike Odysseus' wife, American women did not remain faithful and have jumped into bed with the suitors, so the whole thing has turned to farce.
  9. What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women?

    Steve, your willful naivete is starting affect your work. Gee, I wonder why they specify that this type of woman is white when non-white women also act similarly. Maybe, it’s because they’re not generally racist, they’re anti-white.

    Here’s your answer, and it’s quite simple:

    They hate whites – and whites alone – and want us turned into helots at best, eradicated at worst.

    Until you accept this reality, you’ll never really understand what’s happening to what was your country.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "Here’s your answer, and it’s quite simple: They hate whites – and whites alone – and want us turned into helots at best, eradicated at worst."

    The truth of the matter is that iSteve knows what you are saying is an "idea" itself, perpetuated by a subset of whites for a host of reasons. Now, he is too cagey to come out and counteract your notions in direct fashion.

    White people don't hate themselves or their race. Simply put, they make their own decisions about race and culture that you ideologically oppose.

    Of course it's scary, from your perspective, that American whites in our nation will be a minority. But this phenomenon of groups being "displaced" has happened repeatedly in our history, from the English majority becoming the English minority, to the WASP majority becoming the non-WASP majority. A world example would be the Picts, who were subsumed by the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, and Normans. Gee, I wonder what group formed from this amalgamation?

  10. The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.

    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain’t working. I keep gasping.

    It’s part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I’m not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman’s recipe. It made the author “gag.” Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I’d politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn’t excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It’s THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it’s the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that – what American outside of vegans, doesn’t? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair – the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish – one of the few dishes that’s popular everywhere, among all groups. So it’s THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Paperback Writer

    It shocks me anyone is shocked by anti-White hatred. Where has everyone been?

    The hatred of White people was evident 60 years ago. Apparently it was too hard for "respectable thought leaders" at the time to discern. The anti-Whites didn't immediately call for pushing Whites up against the wall, but what did anyone expect? They had to start off couching it in terms of "fairness and equity" (just like they do today).

    CivNats got us here. If we ran this experiment a thousand times, they'd push the same policies.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.timetoast.com/public/uploads/photo/13986582/image/3f7a6f4546d780ebf4a4bf337d780f6b

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback, ah yes, collard greens as a trigger for racism. A Google manager, IIRC, orders a menu of collard greens, corn bread and fried chicken to celebrate our newest national holiday, Juneteenth, and he is shit canned. The soup kitchen where I volunteer has a MLK day for local school kids, almost all blacks, and invites in a noted local black restaurant owner and she serves...collard greens...you know the rest. Enjoy your day.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Old Brown Fool

    , @ben tillman
    @Paperback Writer


    About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It’s THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it’s the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff.
     
    Yeah, I never heard about the mac & cheese thing until I read your comment. Eating the marrow out of chicken bones? Sure, I've seen that.

    Fried chicken? When I was in college, a black girl from Macon liked me and invited me to her apartment. What did she do? She proceeded to fry me some chicken.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Anon

    , @jsm
    @Paperback Writer

    Next time I'm required to pick the menu for a black get together, I'll serve...

    grilled Kraft American-cheese sandwiches on Wonder bread, chocolate milk, and Lays potato chips.

    That's what my 60's mom made me, in my 99-percent-White suburban neighborhood, when I'd walk home from school for lunch.

    Will that keep me out of trouble?

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Paperback Writer

    I am sort of confused about the valorization of this whole "mac and cheese" business. I grew up white working-class. "Mac and cheese" meant "shucks, two days more to go til pay-day." What is this crap about "comfort food"? The only "comfort" I ever got was, "hey, will you look at this ----- FOOD!"

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @George Rockwell
    @Paperback Writer

    I thought fried chicken, collard greens and watermelon made up the "national dish" of American blacks.

    , @Dumbo
    @Paperback Writer

    Fried chicken, collard greens and watermelon are much tastier than "mac and cheese", which I thought was actually a "Canadian national dish". Or is that why waiters call Blacks "Canadian"?

    It's kind of stupid that because some foods are stereotypical, you should stop eating them, or believe that it is somehow "racist" to point it out. Italians eat spaghetti all the time. It's a stereotype. Some people make fun of them for that. Now, that hasn't stopped Italians from eating spaghetti. What do they care what other idiots think?

    On the other hand, Italian food in general is much better (and healthier) than Black American food.

    As for watermelons, it's not just Blacks that like them. I think this is more because of some old Betty Boop cartoons, showing blacks eating watermelon in a funny way. Honestly, the whole thing is quite stupid and ridiculous.

    Replies: @Jack D

  11. @Paperback Writer

    The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.
     
    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain't working. I keep gasping.

    It's part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I'm not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman's recipe. It made the author "gag." Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I'd politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn't excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It's THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it's the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that - what American outside of vegans, doesn't? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair - the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish - one of the few dishes that's popular everywhere, among all groups. So it's THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @jsm, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @George Rockwell, @Dumbo

    It shocks me anyone is shocked by anti-White hatred. Where has everyone been?

    The hatred of White people was evident 60 years ago. Apparently it was too hard for “respectable thought leaders” at the time to discern. The anti-Whites didn’t immediately call for pushing Whites up against the wall, but what did anyone expect? They had to start off couching it in terms of “fairness and equity” (just like they do today).

    CivNats got us here. If we ran this experiment a thousand times, they’d push the same policies.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.timetoast.com/public/uploads/photo/13986582/image/3f7a6f4546d780ebf4a4bf337d780f6b

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  12. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:

    Karma for the Karens.

    Over the, (at least), last half century of ‘civil rights’ and ‘equality’ agitation – which has triumphed spectacularly in utterly destroying the old white male patriarchy that ran American since founding it – white women conspicuously allied with the anti white male axis, in order to grab their share of the spoils.

    Now the crocodile which they fed so assiduously has turned on them.

  13. In the UK globalist spook Rory Stewart, who stood down as a Tory MP post-Brexit, is saying all the right things to get the heirs to Blair excited.

    It’s remarkable how, just as *they* managed to switch 85-95% of the left in five years from “Occupy Wall Street” to “White Privilege”, so in 20 years UK middle class lefties have gone from “Stop The War” to “Send More Troops”, or even in some cases “Air Campaign”.

  14. Obviously the original Karen must have been a terrible racist, because no black man has ever harmed a white woman in Central Park. No sense having dat ole white privilege if you don’t use it when you feel you’re in jeopardy. After all, don’t “feelings” count for more than facts among the Woke?

    I have reacted rather, shall we say, poorly, when some snooty swish pranced along and demanded that I leash my dog. My customary response was on the lines of, leash yo’ mama, motherf*er. It’s impossible to respect people who don’t like dogs and who are intrusive busybodies to boot. Fortunately for me, I figure, “those” folks are so terrified of dogs, even my big teddy bear of a retriever, that they backed down from whatever violence they might have otherwise instinctively deployed. One of my favorite episodes was when a dusky creep who shadowed me one dark night stammered in shock, when my dog popped out of the bushes he was exploring, does your dog bite? To which I replied, only when I tell him to. Mugging averted: good deal when your best friend is not only loyal to a fault but has big sharp teeth too.

  15. “unloosed on the world” is a sad misuse of words.

  16. @Paperback Writer

    The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.
     
    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain't working. I keep gasping.

    It's part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I'm not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman's recipe. It made the author "gag." Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I'd politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn't excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It's THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it's the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that - what American outside of vegans, doesn't? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair - the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish - one of the few dishes that's popular everywhere, among all groups. So it's THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @jsm, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @George Rockwell, @Dumbo

    Paperback, ah yes, collard greens as a trigger for racism. A Google manager, IIRC, orders a menu of collard greens, corn bread and fried chicken to celebrate our newest national holiday, Juneteenth, and he is shit canned. The soup kitchen where I volunteer has a MLK day for local school kids, almost all blacks, and invites in a noted local black restaurant owner and she serves…collard greens…you know the rest. Enjoy your day.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    I remember that. Nothing we do is acceptable. If we do A, it's B. If we do B, it's C. It's always a new hoop to jump through for the Sacred Tribe.

    I don't know how to deal with this but I'm working on a plan. Anything that involves the ST's must be handled cleverly. So do the exact opposite of what you'd naturally do. Blacks and collard greens? NOPE.

    My suggested menu:

    Stuffed derma
    Haggis
    Tripe

    And my favorite:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu

    https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Casu-Marzu-Sardinian-Sheep-Pecorino.png

    Replies: @jsm, @Charlotte

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Buffalo Joe


    A Google manager, IIRC, orders a menu of collard greens, corn bread and fried chicken to celebrate our newest national holiday, Juneteenth, and he is shit canned
     
    .

    'Cause they wanted chitlins and hog maws.

    , @Old Brown Fool
    @Buffalo Joe

    Whole Foods urged people to start cooking with collards, and it was criticized for trying appropriate and misappropriate and ruin a food recipe favoured by a particular people.

    Now, it everyone else learns their lesson and stops discussing such foods favoured by that people, then it will be deemed racist.

    If they show interest in that food, and try to experiment with the recipe, than it is also deemed racist.

    If I look at you it is racist; if I ignore you it is also racist.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  17. So much for “lean in.” So much for “ban bossy.”

  18. What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white.

    Also striking, and even more dispiriting, is that the vast majority of white women will welcome the hate, consider it deserved, and ask how best they may further placate their masters.

    Their masters reply: redouble your hatred of white men.

  19. Maybe, black communities need their own ‘Karens” to help keep so semblence of order in their neighborhoods. You know, like call the cops on the guys dealing drugs or boasting cars or …sorry, not happening.

    • LOL: ben tillman
  20. White women have been instrumental in voting for the mess we are in. Maybe because I’m a white female who has been on the political wrong side my ilk, I say let the white Karens, Beckys, and AWFLs get theirs for a change. Even if you guys white knight these creatures, they’ll still turn on you. The besties at NPR and The View say to do so.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @anon
    @Old and Grumpy

    Even Especially if you guys white knight these creatures, they’ll still turn on you. The besties at NPR and The View say to do so.

    Minor editing for content. Carry on!

  21. The image of the “Karens” provided focusing on the resplendent diversity of white women’s hair has to be deliberate. Nice little touch to get Shaniqua in a properly envious, hate-filled frame of mind for the story.

  22. @Paperback Writer

    The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.
     
    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain't working. I keep gasping.

    It's part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I'm not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman's recipe. It made the author "gag." Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I'd politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn't excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It's THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it's the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that - what American outside of vegans, doesn't? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair - the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish - one of the few dishes that's popular everywhere, among all groups. So it's THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @jsm, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @George Rockwell, @Dumbo

    About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It’s THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it’s the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff.

    Yeah, I never heard about the mac & cheese thing until I read your comment. Eating the marrow out of chicken bones? Sure, I’ve seen that.

    Fried chicken? When I was in college, a black girl from Macon liked me and invited me to her apartment. What did she do? She proceeded to fry me some chicken.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @ben tillman

    https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/03dbf30ccad245b0a505f18b18fb5e8c


    Most notably, the dish is extremely popular in Southern states, and has evolved into a sacred and unifying meal among African-American communities. However, one story remains untold when discussing American cuisine: the roles enslaved Africans and their descendants played in shaping the way Americans eat.
     
    Trigger warning: the site may make you gag.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @ben tillman


    Fried chicken? When I was in college, a black girl from Macon liked me and invited me to her apartment. What did she do? She proceeded to fry me some chicken.
     
    Did you date?

    Replies: @Dumbo

  23. Black people aren’t so bad.

    Just look at y’all white folks.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/gannett-bans-crimethink-about-crime-in-its-newspapers/#comment-4836403

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Hangnail Hans

    Sorry, didn't read your link.

    Anyone who writes "y'all" is not worth taking seriously about anything.

  24. “Becky” existed before “Karen.”

    And they have totally HIJACKED “woke.” Being “woke” was started by the Alt Right and it meant one that was wise to the JQ, the anti-White message, etc., the complete opposite of what “woke” means today. Just as “liberal” was hijacked long ago by people who are the antithesis of a liberal.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Trinity

    "Fuck around and find out" is/was Proud Boys' motto, before it was lifted by members of the The Squad.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Trinity

    I've been pushing the word Wokel to describe the Karen's of the world: Gender and race free it has the perfect superciliousness to describe those who practice it.

    Disappointed at the lack of uptake.

  25. @Desiderius
    No reason other than those white women snaking all the Affirmative Action for decades.

    Replies: @PinochetTanks

    20 years ago, many of us were predicting this day would come–those of us who had “woke” white women in our families, or ones we worked with…you know, the ones who enjoyed all the same, real or imagined benefits of being white, but somehow were able to cast only white men as the villains. The recent public resignation of that school teacher in Loudon County, VA, had an interesting quote from her consistent with the public shift to vilifying white women (as white men had been for decades). She mentioned sitting through diversity training and being vilified as a “WHITE FEMALE”, not just the generalized “white person”. The article on Fox was cute in that it made it completely clear that the past predictions were happening in real time. White women are only waking up now, because they are now the targets. They were perfectly happy when it was just “some other random white dude, or a white male co-worker” being vilified.

    For decades, those smarmy white women smeared other white women’s husbands, father’s brothers, etc, and now the mob has come for them as well. The PC mob was always going to get around to them, but they had to consolidate their power first-which they have now done. Granted, there are still dumb white women who are posting twitterz about how they want to make sure they raise their white sons not to be racist–virtue signaling and all that-but that’s all just buying time on a life raft with holes in it. They should be dragged (trolled) into every conversation about workplace diversity and wokeness. They should NEVER be excluded or shown any deference by white men.

  26. What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white.

    I think this is a reasonable interpretation of the text. The subtext is that PMC nice white ladies who have been at the fore of the fringe coalition for a while must make way for the social ascent of BIPOCs. One way for them to do this is to police other white “Karens” who expect things like good service at restaurants and block parties to end before four in the morning.

    Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women?

    Steve, if we have learned anything since the advent of the awakening it is that blacks, and particularly black women, are exhausted.

    Evidently the Filipino who wrote this piece is equally exhausted, breaking from her usual occupation of defending the culinary genius of rice with meat and vegetables against the predations of white cultural appropriators to tell us how annoying white women are.

    For example, I’ve been informed by countless restaurant workers over the years that their very worst customers tend to be of that sacred race that the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”

    If what you’re saying is that “Canadians” is a dissembling euphemism for “blacks,” and that blacks behave in an unreasonably demanding manner at restaurants and leave minuscule tips, and that you could perhaps personify these people in a term like “Shaniquas,” well, you’d be a racist. Explaining this to you is exhausting.

  27. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback, ah yes, collard greens as a trigger for racism. A Google manager, IIRC, orders a menu of collard greens, corn bread and fried chicken to celebrate our newest national holiday, Juneteenth, and he is shit canned. The soup kitchen where I volunteer has a MLK day for local school kids, almost all blacks, and invites in a noted local black restaurant owner and she serves...collard greens...you know the rest. Enjoy your day.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Old Brown Fool

    I remember that. Nothing we do is acceptable. If we do A, it’s B. If we do B, it’s C. It’s always a new hoop to jump through for the Sacred Tribe.

    I don’t know how to deal with this but I’m working on a plan. Anything that involves the ST’s must be handled cleverly. So do the exact opposite of what you’d naturally do. Blacks and collard greens? NOPE.

    My suggested menu:

    Stuffed derma
    Haggis
    Tripe

    And my favorite:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu

    • Replies: @jsm
    @Paperback Writer

    Don't forget the lutefisk.

    , @Charlotte
    @Paperback Writer

    The casu martzu needs some Surströmming to go with it.

  28. @ben tillman
    @Paperback Writer


    About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It’s THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it’s the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff.
     
    Yeah, I never heard about the mac & cheese thing until I read your comment. Eating the marrow out of chicken bones? Sure, I've seen that.

    Fried chicken? When I was in college, a black girl from Macon liked me and invited me to her apartment. What did she do? She proceeded to fry me some chicken.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Anon

    https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/03dbf30ccad245b0a505f18b18fb5e8c

    Most notably, the dish is extremely popular in Southern states, and has evolved into a sacred and unifying meal among African-American communities. However, one story remains untold when discussing American cuisine: the roles enslaved Africans and their descendants played in shaping the way Americans eat.

    Trigger warning: the site may make you gag.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    I mentioned in another thread that (in true totalitarian fashion), nothing may escape the Revolution. Cooking, art, music, hobbies, whatever - all must bow before it.

    So the article template for 2021 is " The History of Slavery in Connection with X". X can be anything, even some noodles with cheese sauce. American cheese is usually dyed orange, like the Orange Man himself, so you know that it's evil.

    The author babbles on an on about how the blacks who actually cooked Jefferson's macaroni at Monticello were invisible to his guests. Meanwhile, I'm sure that Tara goes out to dinner in NY almost every night and the Latinos who actually cook her dinner (regardless of cuisine - the back of the house in every restaurant in NY is full of Latinos) are completely invisible to her and it doesn't bother her at all. Latinos are SUPPOSED to be invisible.

  29. The author:

    https://lithub.com/author/ligayamishan/

    An article about the illustrator, with this charming quote:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/carmen-winant-my-birth-being-photography-exhibition-museum-of-modern-art-moma-womens-health-feminism/amp

    “women weeping into pillows, collapsing into partners’ arms, submitting to medical devices (bane or blessing of modernity?), and bringing bodies out of their bodies.”

    What elegant prose.

  30. I tried to read the article but it made me gag.

    Carmen Winant is a 40 year old privileged white gay woman with no particular talent for the visual arts, but she’s a good hustler.

    A lot of Karen-hate comes from young white women who benefited from 2nd wave feminism. Or did they? I sense a lot of resentment against 2nd wave feminism and Karen-hate is a socially acceptable way of working it out.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Paperback Writer

    I'm grateful for the term because my shitlib sister has no defense for it when I call her one.

  31. @Desiderius
    If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1426040892939378688?s=20

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @The Wild Geese Howard, @J.Ross

    If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    [Kinzinger being a knob]

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.

    Am I missing something, or would it have made much better sense 20 years ago or so to set up a garrison or a few of U.S. troops in some discrete, defensible areas of Afghanistan from which to project U.S. military might via quick, low-profile strikes against actual terrorists?

    I don’t recall this whole affair having been explained to us 20 years ago in terms of making Afghanistan a first world Western style nation. It just sort of evolved from “we’re going to get the bastards who did this” to “we need to fight to make sure Afghan girls go to school and become career women” drip by drip. Rooting out members of a terrorist organization is at least a discrete, somewhat achievable objective. Wholesale change of a stew of premodern tribal cultures into an Asian version of Canada by force is not. Early on I assumed that this nonsense was the domestically palatable pretext necessary to keep the whole thing going (please don’t cut our appropriations, Senator Feinstein, of the Afghan girls will never experience multiple abortions!), but it seems that at a certain point the fools actually came to embrace this.

    I suppose one could remain agnostic about the Afghan war, but there is a principle worth insisting upon – viz, that the military actually have the support of the American public for its wars. The war was “lost” when people like Kinzinger failed to make a persuasive case for its continuation to the American people, and instead relied upon their distraction in order for the war to continue indefinitely. That the general officer corps seems to have treated these wars as fertile grounds for promotion and a springboard for lucrative post-commission employment is another grounds for skepticism.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Yes clearly the military - without firm political guidance - could not bear leaving after its initial punishment expedition.

    But do not discount the shadow army of uber-liberal NGOs that flooded into with, if not much practical impact, a vast array of ambitions protected by an inexhaustible number of hands-on-hips "How Dare You!"' threats directed at any attempt to leave Afghanistan to its default premodern Islamic tribal self.

    , @anonymous
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Colonel Kurtz, in Apocalypse Now, was to be terminated with extreme prejudice because of similar quick, low-profile strikes. And they called him murderer. Not the way to act by someone being groomed for one of the top spots in the corporation.

  32. @Desiderius
    If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1426040892939378688?s=20

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @The Wild Geese Howard, @J.Ross

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.

    It’s going to be hilarious when the Taliban recapture Kabul on the 20th anniversary of 9-11.

    I suggest loading up on popcorn and those yummy peanut butter filled pretzel bites.

  33. Coming soon to NYT:

    The March of Shaniq’wah.

    “You see them on Worldstarhiphop.com, they have big opinions to give and no tip to spare. Keep your hands off the hair and on your wallet.”

    It’s all so tiresome seeing the anti-white mantra day after day…

  34. All of these nerds of colour are “Karens” and the voice they use is the voice of the bullies at school or ghetto/freshie/incompetent family members that called them out for “acting white.”

    That politics has reduced to High School bullying seems sad, but it is a symptom of progress. We don’t need to fight over basic provisions anymore.

    The question is: how does the competent child talk back to, shame and force into self-awareness, the confused high school bully?

    • Replies: @Cato
    @Triteleia Laxa


    That politics has reduced to High School bullying seems sad, but it is a symptom of progress. We don’t need to fight over basic provisions anymore.
     
    Well said. The editorial page of the NYT is just another rich country problem.
  35. How many Karens are actually Jewesses? They don’t call them JAP for nothing, and JAPs came long before Karens. Maybe Karen is just a new name, since JAP is now “anti-Semitic”.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Anon

    No JAP would ask to speak to the manager.

    She'd have her maid do it for her.

  36. Oh jeez. They tie Emmett Till into this one. That’s the funniest part:

    For most of American history, a white woman’s accusation could be enough to destroy a Black person, as in the savage killing by two white men of the 14-year-old Emmett Till in Mississippi in 1955, after a white woman named Carolyn Bryant claimed that he had whistled at her. As the journalist Damon Young wrote on The Root last year, Karen is too “cutesy” and flippant a name for such murderousness, like “memeifying death.”

    I disagree with this:

    What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white.

    People are allowed to talk and write about the “Karen” phenomenon and mention that Karen refers to a white woman without it being hateful. This specific NYT article is hateful. The Emmett Till reference is specifically stoking anger and rage at people who are female and white.

    Sailer’s article is promoting resentment against NYT elites who are being mean to white people.

    My plea to this crowd:

    – Don’t let the haters get you down. Live an amazing, rich, kind, positive life no matter how much the NYT and the universities hate your skin color and racial group. Even today; focus on the great things in your life, and live a wonderful day.

    – Recognize you have the moral high ground. When elites like the NYT are preaching + promoting racial hatred like this, they are the bad guys. Note: regular non-white people just walking down the street did nothing wrong in this scenario and don’t deserve hate. The NYT people involved really do deserve a healthy does of righteous anger. Definitely no violence and don’t forfeit the moral high ground that you hold.

    – Channel your emotions constructively. I imagine the natural reaction to this story is to get really angry, but project your anger in unconstructive ways. I hope some of you become lawyers and sue them into bankruptcy. Or rival pundits and destroy their reputation. But anger without results is a waste and don’t waste your energy.

    – Focus on what you love, not what you hate. Love yourselves, and your families. Have children. Protect them from jerks like the NYT.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Hi There

    "For most of American history, a white woman’s accusation could be enough to destroy a black person, as in the savage killing by two White men of the 14-year-old Emmett Till in Mississippi in 1955, after a White woman named Carolyn Bryant claimed that he had whistled at her. As the journalist Damon Young wrote on The Root last year, Karen is too 'cutesy' and flippant a name for such murderousness, like 'memeifying death.'"

    Lies, on top of lies, on top of lies, with one pathological liar calling on another for supporting testimony.

    The Story of Emmett Till: Facts vs. Racist Fairy Tales
    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-story-of-emmett-till-facts-vs.html

  37. @Paperback Writer
    I tried to read the article but it made me gag.

    Carmen Winant is a 40 year old privileged white gay woman with no particular talent for the visual arts, but she's a good hustler.

    A lot of Karen-hate comes from young white women who benefited from 2nd wave feminism. Or did they? I sense a lot of resentment against 2nd wave feminism and Karen-hate is a socially acceptable way of working it out.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    I’m grateful for the term because my shitlib sister has no defense for it when I call her one.

  38. The works are a continuation of her 2016 series of the same name, made in response to that year’s presidential election and to the “lack of support Prof. Anita Hill received from white women”

    In the article, it is also mentioned that a shocking 40% of white women voted for Trump.

    Leftist women see conservative women/Karens as traitors. Women are supposed to be members in good standing of the Coalition of the Fringes but when white women don’t do this, they are letting down their side – thus all the hate that is heaped upon them.

    The same would be true of black Republican women except there aren’t many of them. Left activists dream that someday women will vote Democrat as a bloc the same as blacks. Black loyalty to the Democrat Party is the gold standard that all other groups can only aspire to.

  39. “restaurant workers … ‘uh-oh, Canadians.’ ”

    Hell on earth? You can find it at an IHOP that serves a majority Canadian demographic. This is the punishment that Steve 6 endures thirty-two hours a week whilst Desert Inn Steve lolls about his suite high on whatever the Mormons are giving him.

  40. @Paperback Writer
    @ben tillman

    https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/03dbf30ccad245b0a505f18b18fb5e8c


    Most notably, the dish is extremely popular in Southern states, and has evolved into a sacred and unifying meal among African-American communities. However, one story remains untold when discussing American cuisine: the roles enslaved Africans and their descendants played in shaping the way Americans eat.
     
    Trigger warning: the site may make you gag.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I mentioned in another thread that (in true totalitarian fashion), nothing may escape the Revolution. Cooking, art, music, hobbies, whatever – all must bow before it.

    So the article template for 2021 is ” The History of Slavery in Connection with X”. X can be anything, even some noodles with cheese sauce. American cheese is usually dyed orange, like the Orange Man himself, so you know that it’s evil.

    The author babbles on an on about how the blacks who actually cooked Jefferson’s macaroni at Monticello were invisible to his guests. Meanwhile, I’m sure that Tara goes out to dinner in NY almost every night and the Latinos who actually cook her dinner (regardless of cuisine – the back of the house in every restaurant in NY is full of Latinos) are completely invisible to her and it doesn’t bother her at all. Latinos are SUPPOSED to be invisible.

  41. @JimDandy
    I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than "Canadians"--Indians from India.

    Replies: @PSR, @Jack D, @guest007, @ATBOTL, @The Plutonium Kid, @Rapparee, @JohnnyWalker123

    I’ve never seen Indians out to dinner at anything other than an Indian restaurant (teens and 20-somethings excepted).

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @PSR

    Congrats?

    , @JMcG
    @PSR

    You know, you’re right. I’ve never realized it before, but you’re absolutely correct. I hope it lasts.

  42. I mentioned in another thread that (in true totalitarian fashion), nothing may escape the Revolution. Cooking, art, music, hobbies, whatever – all must bow before it.

    I saw that. The one about Goodwhites at NPR and cooking, I believe. I agree.

    The entire NYC arts establishment cracked in front of BLM last June. Classical music is racist. Ballet is racist. Everything. That said, at least classical music and ballet are worthy prizes.

    But…. macaroni? Must they argue about everything??

    I suppose so.

    https://www.city-journal.org/classical-music-under-racial-attack-part-2

    • Replies: @Hi There
    @Paperback Writer


    The entire NYC arts establishment cracked in front of BLM last June. Classical music is racist. Ballet is racist. Everything.
     
    If the current generation doesn't care about classical music, then it is destined to die. And it will get hijacked by culture war politics in that process. If there are enough people who are serious about classical music they will push back and preserve it.

    I suspect few people seriously think classical music + ballet are racist. I know black people who like both. The bigger issue is that simply not enough people care. Most people I know including white people don't care at all about classical music and ballet.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  43. The only hectoring white women I have encountered in recent years were two 20-ish babes who accosted me last summer when, on my afternoon walk, I was tearing down any new BLM flyers posted overnight in my Northwest DC neighborhood. Since this was one of my few daily pleasures during the Summer of George, I generally ignored them. At which point, the women would start punching out something on those little communication dildos that every woman seems to carry these days. Fortunately for me, the BLM response team did not respond with SWAT-Team speed.

    • Replies: @NoWay
    @Henry Canaday

    Good for you. I live in upper Northwest. I know there was whining about those &^%$ flyers that were posted on public utility poles getting pulled down. Some afternoons/evenings if you drive on River road just into Maryland you can see a few dumb white people with BLM signs trying to get people to honk their support. They were at it last week.

    Replies: @Henry Canaday

  44. I genuinely don’t know who you’re referring to.

  45. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback, ah yes, collard greens as a trigger for racism. A Google manager, IIRC, orders a menu of collard greens, corn bread and fried chicken to celebrate our newest national holiday, Juneteenth, and he is shit canned. The soup kitchen where I volunteer has a MLK day for local school kids, almost all blacks, and invites in a noted local black restaurant owner and she serves...collard greens...you know the rest. Enjoy your day.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Old Brown Fool

    A Google manager, IIRC, orders a menu of collard greens, corn bread and fried chicken to celebrate our newest national holiday, Juneteenth, and he is shit canned

    .

    ‘Cause they wanted chitlins and hog maws.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  46. @Triteleia Laxa
    All of these nerds of colour are "Karens" and the voice they use is the voice of the bullies at school or ghetto/freshie/incompetent family members that called them out for "acting white."

    That politics has reduced to High School bullying seems sad, but it is a symptom of progress. We don't need to fight over basic provisions anymore.

    The question is: how does the competent child talk back to, shame and force into self-awareness, the confused high school bully?

    Replies: @Cato

    That politics has reduced to High School bullying seems sad, but it is a symptom of progress. We don’t need to fight over basic provisions anymore.

    Well said. The editorial page of the NYT is just another rich country problem.

  47. @Paperback Writer

    The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.
     
    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain't working. I keep gasping.

    It's part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I'm not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman's recipe. It made the author "gag." Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I'd politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn't excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It's THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it's the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that - what American outside of vegans, doesn't? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair - the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish - one of the few dishes that's popular everywhere, among all groups. So it's THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @jsm, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @George Rockwell, @Dumbo

    Next time I’m required to pick the menu for a black get together, I’ll serve…

    grilled Kraft American-cheese sandwiches on Wonder bread, chocolate milk, and Lays potato chips.

    That’s what my 60’s mom made me, in my 99-percent-White suburban neighborhood, when I’d walk home from school for lunch.

    Will that keep me out of trouble?

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @jsm


    Will that keep me out of trouble?
     
    The desire to stay out of trouble is racist: you should be penitent at all times, and acknowledge your guilt and embrace your opportunity to be the recipient of righteous retribution.

    On the flip side, if you can find a dusky ancestor, you're home free: you can burn shit down and freeshop to the tune of $950 per store, sustained by the power of that black staple... Mac&Cheese.

    I've got a dusky ancestor, so the only time my immunity from trouble fails, is when a Karen discovers that I am unsound on the JQ. I could be as black as the arse of a goat and that wouldn't save me.

    US blacks are just the shtrafniki causing mayhem to cover for the Zio-kikes' final looting of the US treasury as the mostly-mythical Hamiltonian social experiment unravels.
  48. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    I remember that. Nothing we do is acceptable. If we do A, it's B. If we do B, it's C. It's always a new hoop to jump through for the Sacred Tribe.

    I don't know how to deal with this but I'm working on a plan. Anything that involves the ST's must be handled cleverly. So do the exact opposite of what you'd naturally do. Blacks and collard greens? NOPE.

    My suggested menu:

    Stuffed derma
    Haggis
    Tripe

    And my favorite:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu

    https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Casu-Marzu-Sardinian-Sheep-Pecorino.png

    Replies: @jsm, @Charlotte

    Don’t forget the lutefisk.

  49. @Paperback Writer

    The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.
     
    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain't working. I keep gasping.

    It's part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I'm not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman's recipe. It made the author "gag." Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I'd politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn't excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It's THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it's the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that - what American outside of vegans, doesn't? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair - the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish - one of the few dishes that's popular everywhere, among all groups. So it's THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @jsm, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @George Rockwell, @Dumbo

    I am sort of confused about the valorization of this whole “mac and cheese” business. I grew up white working-class. “Mac and cheese” meant “shucks, two days more to go til pay-day.” What is this crap about “comfort food”? The only “comfort” I ever got was, “hey, will you look at this —– FOOD!”

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    My mother always mixed in some ground beef with the macaroni. My childhood self liked it well enough.

    My ultimate comfort-food meal is meatloaf with mac-and-cheese and green peas. Both my mother and my grandmother made it all the time.

    Lately Dollar Tree has been stocking huge amounts of Cheetos mac-and-cheese. It's not bad by junk-food standards. The main selling point is that it can be cooked in the microwave. Mix it with some cheap hamburger meat and you've got a nice little ghetto dinner.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  50. The hatred of white women on the left is only equaled by the hatred of white women on the right.
    Yours truly,
    A sailorette

    • Replies: @Tex
    @Anonymous

    Wimmins, ya can't live wit 'em, ya can't live wtiout 'em.

    , @SafeNow
    @Anonymous

    I believe you, of course, but I am very surprised. So, it must be rough. Sorry, sailorette.
    - Fair winds and following seas.

  51. @Henry Canaday
    The only hectoring white women I have encountered in recent years were two 20-ish babes who accosted me last summer when, on my afternoon walk, I was tearing down any new BLM flyers posted overnight in my Northwest DC neighborhood. Since this was one of my few daily pleasures during the Summer of George, I generally ignored them. At which point, the women would start punching out something on those little communication dildos that every woman seems to carry these days. Fortunately for me, the BLM response team did not respond with SWAT-Team speed.

    Replies: @NoWay

    Good for you. I live in upper Northwest. I know there was whining about those &^%$ flyers that were posted on public utility poles getting pulled down. Some afternoons/evenings if you drive on River road just into Maryland you can see a few dumb white people with BLM signs trying to get people to honk their support. They were at it last week.

    • Replies: @Henry Canaday
    @NoWay

    They've given up externalizing the madness on my block near AU, but I am sure some still think the same way. For the others, getting rid of Trump means they can begin to re-engage with reality.

  52. @Altai2

    What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women? For example, I’ve been informed by countless restaurant workers over the years that their very worst customers tend to be of that sacred race that the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”
     
    As has been said before, everything the US media claims is about race is actually about class, everything the US media claims is about class is actually about race.

    Self-important rich women who think they are above everyone else piss everyone off all the time.

    I think some feminists also have a point that many women aren't very assertive so sometimes when something happens and they are afraid of being unassertive they panic and overreach, like the girl who thought that the black guy stole her phone. She may have been worried that she was letting her unassertiveness (Or desire not to be seen as racist) allow him to go free.

    Finally, it's a lot easier to point to innately disagreeable Southern/Midwestern WASP/Germanic or Northern Italian women as just baseline belligerent despite not being high status or wealthy than it is to talk about Indians, Chinese, Jews or blacks behaving the same way.

    Finally, women hate other women more than they can hate other men who they aren't really socially competing with, so non-white women will create narratives about how white women are evil and wrong and illegitimate in order to salve their own anxieties about being immigrants and justify more ethnic cleansing. Instead of 'We made the desert bloom!' it's 'We shut the Karens up!'

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Skyler the Weird, @SOL

    I think some feminists also have a point that many women aren’t very assertive so sometimes when something happens and they are afraid of being unassertive they panic and overreach, like the girl who thought that the black guy stole her phone. She may have been worried that she was letting her unassertiveness (Or desire not to be seen as racist) allow him to go free.

    This is a very shrewd observation. The same goes for female bosses, who overcompensate out of insecurity. To be fair, the same goes for weak male bosses, but with women I think it’s directly related to their gender role insecurity.

  53. This Marxist movement is sick because it debases people and a reduces people to clusters – all done under covid lockdown (ala the ‘Shock Doctrine’). I sent the article below to a few leftist white women in the US last year and some were agreeing with it the author! I wonder if they realize that this is really about bashing white women and not the bad ‘Karens’ they make it out to be. Sometimes I think Catholic guilt has morphed into white guilt. Sad that many were falling for it.

    ————————————————

    Washington Post opinions editor says white women are ‘lucky’ that black people are ‘just calling them Karens and not calling for ‘revenge’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8474549/Washington-Post-opinions-editor-says-white-women-lucky-people-arent-calling-revenge.html

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Chu

    Too funny, because their whole lives are about revenge, and it's odd because they are always and forever exacting this "revenge" upon people who have done nothing at all to them. But they're doing exactly what decades of mass media programming have instructed them to do. Race hatred is such a bad thing that they've turned it into their sacred religion.

  54. … the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”

    Canada is thus analogous to Borat’s Kazakhstan.

    the “lack of support Prof. Anita Hill received from white women” during her testimony in 1991

    “the ‘lack of support [Judge Clarence Thomas] received from white women’ during [his] testimony in 1991”

    Fixed it.

    “the ‘lack of support [Mrs Juanita Broaddrick] received from white women’ during her testimony in 199[9]”

    Fixed it further.

    Few, on either side, dare to use the A-word. Note the first few comments to this, and the author’s sharp reply:

    Why American Women Suck – 15 Things I’ve Noticed

    Enjoy this, fellows:

    15 Countries Where Women Are Always On The Lookout For White Males

    • Replies: @LP5
    @Reg Cæsar

    Great, Reg, with those links.
    Now you've ruined my weekend.
    I'll be thinking about that blue-eyed blonde in the second link for a while.
    At least that helps forget about the harpies in the first link.

  55. @Hannah Katz
    If a Karen does not get her way in a store, she will demand to speak to the manager. If a Kadeesha does not get her way in a store, she will demand that the clerk and the manager be fired and doxed, and get a mob together to burn down the store. See, there is a difference.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @BB753

    Exactly. Black Karens don’t need to talk to no stinkin’ manager, they are more apt to use “self help.”

    • Agree: Hannah Katz
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is why we can't have nice things in America.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  56. [MORE]

    • Replies: @res
    @Desiderius

    The article linked in the last tweet has an interesting take.
    The Unvaccinated Low-Risk and the Vaccinated High-Risk Are The Same Thing.
    https://beyondtheoptics.substack.com/p/the-unvaccinated-low-risk-and-the

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross

  57. @JimDandy
    I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than "Canadians"--Indians from India.

    Replies: @PSR, @Jack D, @guest007, @ATBOTL, @The Plutonium Kid, @Rapparee, @JohnnyWalker123

    Not all countries have the custom of tipping waiters, or the customary percentage is lower than in the US. In India, 5% is a standard tip and 10% is generous, according to their customs. Not all Indians reset their habits when they move to the US (though they should).

    But American blacks were born in this culture and they have no such excuse. I think “Canadian” style tipping comes from a different place. In case you haven’t noticed, many blacks in America have a massive chip on their shoulder. They feel that they have been given the short end of the stick for the last 400 years. So, “society” owes them a karmic debt. Finally being in a position to order white people around, to run the waiters ragged and then stiff them on the tip, is payback for a lifetime of indignity in their minds.

    This may give you a hint as to how blacks will treat white people in general once they are in charge. Whenever I see some Federal case where a white white collar defendant (especially a Republican) has gotten into some sort of trouble in DC (“lying to a Federal officer”) and the judge has come down on him like a ton of bricks, I check to see if the judge is black and usually he or she is.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, around here in WNY, with four convenient bridges into the States , Canadians have earned a deserved reputation as bad tippers. hence, wait staff call all bad tippers Canadians without fear of a racist charge.

    Replies: @anon

    , @JimDandy
    @Jack D

    I don't disagree with your position, but the complaints about Indian customers are tied to the dehumanizing way they treat "the help". I assume it's a carryover from the class/caste system in India.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Jack D

    white white collar defendant (especially a Republican) has gotten into some sort of trouble in DC (“lying to a Federal officer”) and the judge has come down on him like a ton of bricks

    Example: Judge Emmett Sullivan and the case of General Flynn.

  58. @JimDandy
    I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than "Canadians"--Indians from India.

    Replies: @PSR, @Jack D, @guest007, @ATBOTL, @The Plutonium Kid, @Rapparee, @JohnnyWalker123

    What else would one expect from people from a society that has castes. The diners were from the top castes and natural treat food service workers as a lower caste.

    On the other hand, I have always found that operators of Indian restuarants are much better at customer service that the Chinese. The Chinese seem to be worst at customer service with Koreans being in the middle of Asian owned businesses.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @guest007

    I’ve been in the back room of Indian restaurants. Not in a million years would I eat in one.

  59. @Hypnotoad666
    @Hannah Katz

    Exactly. Black Karens don't need to talk to no stinkin' manager, they are more apt to use "self help."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-xUe6ukM3o

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    This is why we can’t have nice things in America.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Until 55 years ago this was a nation full of "nice things' but that's all over now.

  60. It seems that there was a feminist assault on the concept of “bossy” a couple of years ago, and that “Karen” is often being used as a politically convenient end run around the “bossy ban.” You can’t call obnoxious or domineering females bossy, so just call them a Karen instead. I’ll hear conservative talk show hosts do this.

    https://banbossy.com/

  61. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:

    Wait, what are you telling me here– that after we expensively justice-wise desegregate & hyper-promote the 10% to 15% highest-status cull of marriageable black males, many of them will go with Becky to the wild resentment of Kaireniqua, who will demand on pain of Ragnarok that “Karen” be put in the pillory and stocks on the public square every day? Why was I not informed of this?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Why was I not informed of this?

    Well, it was right there in the "Other terms and conditions" section under "addenda and misc.", clearly printed in 4-point type.

    No idea how you missed it!

  62. @Desiderius


    https://twitter.com/eugyppius1/status/1426155537088106499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/RiyanVirtanen/status/1426228859381366786?s=20

    Replies: @res

    The article linked in the last tweet has an interesting take.
    The Unvaccinated Low-Risk and the Vaccinated High-Risk Are The Same Thing.
    https://beyondtheoptics.substack.com/p/the-unvaccinated-low-risk-and-the

    • Replies: @anon
    @res

    Yes, that is interesting, however it is not clear that the current mRNA vaccines actually limit spread, either. A leaky vaccine that is 50% effective isn't much of a preventative with regard to the spread of disease. That such a vaccine may reduce symptoms is a good thing, however that's more like a "treatment" or "theraputic". There are other compounds that are also treatments.

    Creating more asymptomatic spreaders would seem to be a bad idea. Yet the public health world doesn't seem to agree. It is strange.

    Replies: @Anon, @Mark G.

    , @J.Ross
    @res

    The "vaccines" are safe and effective at transferring wealth from the taxpayer to private pharmaceutical firms.

  63. @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    Not all countries have the custom of tipping waiters, or the customary percentage is lower than in the US. In India, 5% is a standard tip and 10% is generous, according to their customs. Not all Indians reset their habits when they move to the US (though they should).

    But American blacks were born in this culture and they have no such excuse. I think "Canadian" style tipping comes from a different place. In case you haven't noticed, many blacks in America have a massive chip on their shoulder. They feel that they have been given the short end of the stick for the last 400 years. So, "society" owes them a karmic debt. Finally being in a position to order white people around, to run the waiters ragged and then stiff them on the tip, is payback for a lifetime of indignity in their minds.

    This may give you a hint as to how blacks will treat white people in general once they are in charge. Whenever I see some Federal case where a white white collar defendant (especially a Republican) has gotten into some sort of trouble in DC ("lying to a Federal officer") and the judge has come down on him like a ton of bricks, I check to see if the judge is black and usually he or she is.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JimDandy, @Harry Baldwin

    Jack, around here in WNY, with four convenient bridges into the States , Canadians have earned a deserved reputation as bad tippers. hence, wait staff call all bad tippers Canadians without fear of a racist charge.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Hadn't heard that before about Canadian tippers. But we have a friend who has a boyfriend who is ex Canadian (though he has lived in the US for a long time) and when we go out to eat as two couples and he and I split the check I'm always surprised at what he wants to tip. I'm usually around 20% unless the meal and waiter were exceptionally good or bad. He wants to tip closer to 10%.

    Replies: @QueueAnon

  64. anon[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @res
    @Desiderius

    The article linked in the last tweet has an interesting take.
    The Unvaccinated Low-Risk and the Vaccinated High-Risk Are The Same Thing.
    https://beyondtheoptics.substack.com/p/the-unvaccinated-low-risk-and-the

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross

    Yes, that is interesting, however it is not clear that the current mRNA vaccines actually limit spread, either. A leaky vaccine that is 50% effective isn’t much of a preventative with regard to the spread of disease. That such a vaccine may reduce symptoms is a good thing, however that’s more like a “treatment” or “theraputic”. There are other compounds that are also treatments.

    Creating more asymptomatic spreaders would seem to be a bad idea. Yet the public health world doesn’t seem to agree. It is strange.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon

    @ Creating more asymptomatic spreaders would seem to be a bad idea.

    Indeed. Vaccinated people will surely not test, and know that they should get some treatment. As an anecdote, the daughter of a friend, fully vaccinated in April w/Pfizer got covid, but few symptoms. The mother, who was also infected, got treatment, had a nastier time (oxygen tank), but is now fine. The daughter, OTOH, now has difficulty breathing. It’s been more than a month.

    All people who get Covid should get treatment, even if only homeopathy or artemisia tea bags.

    , @Mark G.
    @anon


    That such a vaccine may reduce symptoms is a good thing, however that’s more like a “treatment” or “theraputic”. There are other compounds that are also treatments.
     
    The thing that is most surprising to me is that early treatment protocols for Covid were never developed and then implemented that involve various inexpensive nutritional supplements and drugs that could be used at home to prevent the need to go to the hospital.

    I've seen people on the internet say they went to a doctor when they first started to have symptoms and were told to come back if things became worse. There also seems to have been attempts to discourage doctors who wanted to use these therapies. In Australia, for example, doctors who wanted to try HCQ were threatened with arrest. Here in the U.S. the very expensive and not very effective drug Remdesivir was the only drug approved by the FDA for treatment.

    I suppose there is just too much money to be made by drug companies selling expensive drugs, hospitals treating people in the hospital rather than at home, vaccine companies selling lots of vaccines as part of mass vaccination campaigns and politicians receiving campaign donations from the medical monopoly for things to change.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool

  65. @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    Not all countries have the custom of tipping waiters, or the customary percentage is lower than in the US. In India, 5% is a standard tip and 10% is generous, according to their customs. Not all Indians reset their habits when they move to the US (though they should).

    But American blacks were born in this culture and they have no such excuse. I think "Canadian" style tipping comes from a different place. In case you haven't noticed, many blacks in America have a massive chip on their shoulder. They feel that they have been given the short end of the stick for the last 400 years. So, "society" owes them a karmic debt. Finally being in a position to order white people around, to run the waiters ragged and then stiff them on the tip, is payback for a lifetime of indignity in their minds.

    This may give you a hint as to how blacks will treat white people in general once they are in charge. Whenever I see some Federal case where a white white collar defendant (especially a Republican) has gotten into some sort of trouble in DC ("lying to a Federal officer") and the judge has come down on him like a ton of bricks, I check to see if the judge is black and usually he or she is.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JimDandy, @Harry Baldwin

    I don’t disagree with your position, but the complaints about Indian customers are tied to the dehumanizing way they treat “the help”. I assume it’s a carryover from the class/caste system in India.

    • Agree: Polistra
  66. Designating ‘the Karen’ as (w)hite means that nobody will defend, explain, or intercede. If the Karen behavior was exhibited by a Black, the line rushing to def/exp/int would be endless. Endless.

    My thought is ‘the Karen’ is just another creation to make a Spoiled Identity. Something that people don’t want to be, be around, be associated with. Spoiled Identities – smokers, Christians, priests, gun owners, hunters, police, military, White people, Trump supporter, Republican, QAnon, anti-vaxx, Joo…you get the idea.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Tom F.

    My thought is that you're just a repulsive human being who is upset about the fact that behavioral standards are rising in America and you can no longer smoke publicly, yawn loudly, recite fake news about the danger of vaccines, and operate a cock massage parlor without a license.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  67. @PSR
    @JimDandy

    I’ve never seen Indians out to dinner at anything other than an Indian restaurant (teens and 20-somethings excepted).

    Replies: @JimDandy, @JMcG

    Congrats?

    • LOL: Polistra
  68. @AndrewR
    Yes, in my experience, Karens are proportionately most likely to be black. But the fellow whites who run the NYT and almost all media and banks have a genocidal hatred of whites. And at this point it's hard to blame them for going full steam ahead with the genocidal rhetoric. White liberals get off on this stuff.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @EdwardM

    I’ve known many professional class blacks, and few ever would call the police, most likely because they were just smart enough to realize they’re not working for their benefit. White women implicitly realize this and have no hesitation about calling the lawmen. The law exists to make white women comfortable, after all. That’s why right to abortion is a law, among others.

    • Troll: Charon
  69. @Reg Cæsar

    ... the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”

     

    Canada is thus analogous to Borat's Kazakhstan.

    the “lack of support Prof. Anita Hill received from white women” during her testimony in 1991
     
    "the 'lack of support [Judge Clarence Thomas] received from white women' during [his] testimony in 1991"

    Fixed it.

    "the 'lack of support [Mrs Juanita Broaddrick] received from white women' during her testimony in 199[9]"

    Fixed it further.

    Few, on either side, dare to use the A-word. Note the first few comments to this, and the author's sharp reply:

    Why American Women Suck - 15 Things I've Noticed


    Enjoy this, fellows:

    15 Countries Where Women Are Always On The Lookout For White Males

    Replies: @LP5

    Great, Reg, with those links.
    Now you’ve ruined my weekend.
    I’ll be thinking about that blue-eyed blonde in the second link for a while.
    At least that helps forget about the harpies in the first link.

  70. @JimDandy
    I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than "Canadians"--Indians from India.

    Replies: @PSR, @Jack D, @guest007, @ATBOTL, @The Plutonium Kid, @Rapparee, @JohnnyWalker123

    Jews are bad tippers too, I can tell you from experience. Jews also often have special requests and make extra work for wait staff in a very similar way to blacks. Indians are bad tippers, but are quiet and don’t demand special treatment.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @ATBOTL

    I've heard Jews are often total nightmares to wait on, but I haven't heard they are particularly bad tippers. Your experience with Indians is very different from what I've heard (and witnessed)--young, rich urban assholes who treat the help like they are slaves.

  71. second-wave feminism

    I am so emotionally triggered and Epstein-Barred by these post-post-modern neologisms.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Abolish_public_education

    I am so emotionally triggered

    Geeze, I guess you really don't wanna hear about third-wave, sex-positive feminism, then.

  72. “What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. ”

    Yes there is: Envy. It’s as simple as that.

  73. @Old and Grumpy
    White women have been instrumental in voting for the mess we are in. Maybe because I'm a white female who has been on the political wrong side my ilk, I say let the white Karens, Beckys, and AWFLs get theirs for a change. Even if you guys white knight these creatures, they'll still turn on you. The besties at NPR and The View say to do so.

    Replies: @anon

    Even Especially if you guys white knight these creatures, they’ll still turn on you. The besties at NPR and The View say to do so.

    Minor editing for content. Carry on!

  74. @Altai2

    What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women? For example, I’ve been informed by countless restaurant workers over the years that their very worst customers tend to be of that sacred race that the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”
     
    As has been said before, everything the US media claims is about race is actually about class, everything the US media claims is about class is actually about race.

    Self-important rich women who think they are above everyone else piss everyone off all the time.

    I think some feminists also have a point that many women aren't very assertive so sometimes when something happens and they are afraid of being unassertive they panic and overreach, like the girl who thought that the black guy stole her phone. She may have been worried that she was letting her unassertiveness (Or desire not to be seen as racist) allow him to go free.

    Finally, it's a lot easier to point to innately disagreeable Southern/Midwestern WASP/Germanic or Northern Italian women as just baseline belligerent despite not being high status or wealthy than it is to talk about Indians, Chinese, Jews or blacks behaving the same way.

    Finally, women hate other women more than they can hate other men who they aren't really socially competing with, so non-white women will create narratives about how white women are evil and wrong and illegitimate in order to salve their own anxieties about being immigrants and justify more ethnic cleansing. Instead of 'We made the desert bloom!' it's 'We shut the Karens up!'

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Skyler the Weird, @SOL

    I thought Ann Althouse said Bari Weiss showed the Central Park Karen may have had an issue: https://althouse.blogspot.com/2021/08/listen-to-bari-weisss-podcast-about.html

  75. @Tom F.
    Designating 'the Karen' as (w)hite means that nobody will defend, explain, or intercede. If the Karen behavior was exhibited by a Black, the line rushing to def/exp/int would be endless. Endless.

    My thought is 'the Karen' is just another creation to make a Spoiled Identity. Something that people don't want to be, be around, be associated with. Spoiled Identities - smokers, Christians, priests, gun owners, hunters, police, military, White people, Trump supporter, Republican, QAnon, anti-vaxx, Joo...you get the idea.

    Replies: @Anon

    My thought is that you’re just a repulsive human being who is upset about the fact that behavioral standards are rising in America and you can no longer smoke publicly, yawn loudly, recite fake news about the danger of vaccines, and operate a cock massage parlor without a license.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anon

    >standards are rising

    Everyone is rude, hateful, mean, sloppy, and prone to accidents and littering, in a way that they definitely were not for most of my life. Behavioral standards are cratering, and a major reason they're cratering relevant to the increasing medical tyranny is that standards are not enforced upon non-whites (any white who tries is demonized as a "karen"). Los Angeles is possibly going to require that grocery shoppers present an ausweis or go without food. This obviously will never be enforced against blacks or Mexicans, who make up a huge proportion of LA, and have been problem groups for infection and protocol compliance. Blacks celebrated the earlier, stricter part of the lockdown with enormous house parties and sideshows. So every day whites are effectively persecuted more and more while nonwhites are privileged in ways that actually harm them in the long run.

  76. @Anonymous
    Wait, what are you telling me here-- that after we expensively justice-wise desegregate & hyper-promote the 10% to 15% highest-status cull of marriageable black males, many of them will go with Becky to the wild resentment of Kaireniqua, who will demand on pain of Ragnarok that "Karen" be put in the pillory and stocks on the public square every day? Why was I not informed of this?

    Replies: @anon

    Why was I not informed of this?

    Well, it was right there in the “Other terms and conditions” section under “addenda and misc.”, clearly printed in 4-point type.

    No idea how you missed it!

  77. @Anonymous
    The hatred of white women on the left is only equaled by the hatred of white women on the right.
    Yours truly,
    A sailorette

    Replies: @Tex, @SafeNow

    Wimmins, ya can’t live wit ’em, ya can’t live wtiout ’em.

  78. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @res

    Yes, that is interesting, however it is not clear that the current mRNA vaccines actually limit spread, either. A leaky vaccine that is 50% effective isn't much of a preventative with regard to the spread of disease. That such a vaccine may reduce symptoms is a good thing, however that's more like a "treatment" or "theraputic". There are other compounds that are also treatments.

    Creating more asymptomatic spreaders would seem to be a bad idea. Yet the public health world doesn't seem to agree. It is strange.

    Replies: @Anon, @Mark G.

    @ Creating more asymptomatic spreaders would seem to be a bad idea.

    Indeed. Vaccinated people will surely not test, and know that they should get some treatment. As an anecdote, the daughter of a friend, fully vaccinated in April w/Pfizer got covid, but few symptoms. The mother, who was also infected, got treatment, had a nastier time (oxygen tank), but is now fine. The daughter, OTOH, now has difficulty breathing. It’s been more than a month.

    All people who get Covid should get treatment, even if only homeopathy or artemisia tea bags.

  79. @PSR
    @JimDandy

    I’ve never seen Indians out to dinner at anything other than an Indian restaurant (teens and 20-somethings excepted).

    Replies: @JimDandy, @JMcG

    You know, you’re right. I’ve never realized it before, but you’re absolutely correct. I hope it lasts.

  80. @guest007
    @JimDandy

    What else would one expect from people from a society that has castes. The diners were from the top castes and natural treat food service workers as a lower caste.

    On the other hand, I have always found that operators of Indian restuarants are much better at customer service that the Chinese. The Chinese seem to be worst at customer service with Koreans being in the middle of Asian owned businesses.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I’ve been in the back room of Indian restaurants. Not in a million years would I eat in one.

  81. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Paperback Writer

    I am sort of confused about the valorization of this whole "mac and cheese" business. I grew up white working-class. "Mac and cheese" meant "shucks, two days more to go til pay-day." What is this crap about "comfort food"? The only "comfort" I ever got was, "hey, will you look at this ----- FOOD!"

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    My mother always mixed in some ground beef with the macaroni. My childhood self liked it well enough.

    My ultimate comfort-food meal is meatloaf with mac-and-cheese and green peas. Both my mother and my grandmother made it all the time.

    Lately Dollar Tree has been stocking huge amounts of Cheetos mac-and-cheese. It’s not bad by junk-food standards. The main selling point is that it can be cooked in the microwave. Mix it with some cheap hamburger meat and you’ve got a nice little ghetto dinner.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Stan Adams

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  82. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, around here in WNY, with four convenient bridges into the States , Canadians have earned a deserved reputation as bad tippers. hence, wait staff call all bad tippers Canadians without fear of a racist charge.

    Replies: @anon

    Hadn’t heard that before about Canadian tippers. But we have a friend who has a boyfriend who is ex Canadian (though he has lived in the US for a long time) and when we go out to eat as two couples and he and I split the check I’m always surprised at what he wants to tip. I’m usually around 20% unless the meal and waiter were exceptionally good or bad. He wants to tip closer to 10%.

    • Replies: @QueueAnon
    @anon

    When a waiter or waitress says "Canadian", they just mean black and say that in case they are overheard. People generally assume that Canadians are white so no one would suspect who they are referring to - it is a bit of a food service shelta.

    Replies: @Tom F.

  83. The entire “Karen” phenomenon was created as a way to humiliate and target white females.

  84. Jews are the worst Karens. That’s why they are incompatible with military life, where you don’t question orders, or demand to see a superior officer, or negotiate to substitute tomato slices for hash browns.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @SafeNow

    The two women who come to my mind when I hear the term "Karen" are my two Jewish hyper-progressive sisters-in-law.

    I wonder how often a conservative woman behaves like a Karen.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  85. @Anon
    How many Karens are actually Jewesses? They don't call them JAP for nothing, and JAPs came long before Karens. Maybe Karen is just a new name, since JAP is now "anti-Semitic".

    Replies: @njguy73

    No JAP would ask to speak to the manager.

    She’d have her maid do it for her.

  86. @Trinity
    "Becky" existed before "Karen."

    And they have totally HIJACKED "woke." Being "woke" was started by the Alt Right and it meant one that was wise to the JQ, the anti-White message, etc., the complete opposite of what "woke" means today. Just as "liberal" was hijacked long ago by people who are the antithesis of a liberal.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Bill Jones

    “Fuck around and find out” is/was Proud Boys’ motto, before it was lifted by members of the The Squad.

  87. • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Desiderius

    That is your best comment ever.

  88. @NoWay
    @Henry Canaday

    Good for you. I live in upper Northwest. I know there was whining about those &^%$ flyers that were posted on public utility poles getting pulled down. Some afternoons/evenings if you drive on River road just into Maryland you can see a few dumb white people with BLM signs trying to get people to honk their support. They were at it last week.

    Replies: @Henry Canaday

    They’ve given up externalizing the madness on my block near AU, but I am sure some still think the same way. For the others, getting rid of Trump means they can begin to re-engage with reality.

  89. @Abolish_public_education
    second-wave feminism

    I am so emotionally triggered and Epstein-Barred by these post-post-modern neologisms.

    Replies: @anon

    I am so emotionally triggered

    Geeze, I guess you really don’t wanna hear about third-wave, sex-positive feminism, then.

  90. @Anonymous
    The hatred of white women on the left is only equaled by the hatred of white women on the right.
    Yours truly,
    A sailorette

    Replies: @Tex, @SafeNow

    I believe you, of course, but I am very surprised. So, it must be rough. Sorry, sailorette.
    – Fair winds and following seas.

  91. @Paperback Writer

    The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.
     
    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain't working. I keep gasping.

    It's part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I'm not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman's recipe. It made the author "gag." Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I'd politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn't excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It's THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it's the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that - what American outside of vegans, doesn't? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair - the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish - one of the few dishes that's popular everywhere, among all groups. So it's THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @jsm, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @George Rockwell, @Dumbo

    I thought fried chicken, collard greens and watermelon made up the “national dish” of American blacks.

  92. @ben tillman
    @Paperback Writer


    About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It’s THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it’s the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff.
     
    Yeah, I never heard about the mac & cheese thing until I read your comment. Eating the marrow out of chicken bones? Sure, I've seen that.

    Fried chicken? When I was in college, a black girl from Macon liked me and invited me to her apartment. What did she do? She proceeded to fry me some chicken.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Anon

    Fried chicken? When I was in college, a black girl from Macon liked me and invited me to her apartment. What did she do? She proceeded to fry me some chicken.

    Did you date?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Anon

    The question should be, did you score?

  93. FYI From a Detroit refugee living in the Macomb suburbs…..Q.: Why do people call Canadians “Mondays”? A.: Because everybody hates Mondays.

  94. @Desiderius
    If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1426040892939378688?s=20

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @The Wild Geese Howard, @J.Ross

    Afghan restoration threads on 4chan are pretty comfy. One European anon observed that at the current rate they’d have the country back in less than a month. On the radio startled and confused intelligence boffins babbled about six months and not wanting to speculate. Americans, the wheels are off, we can push the evil queen out the window, because nobody in the government is brighter or braver than Adam here. It wasn’t an act, this really is a government run by people like Comey, Fauci, Ciamarella, Vintland, etc.. Biden’s standing-up to Putin consisted of giving Putin everything he wanted plus telling him where to target; Biden’s response to the Taliban was to beg them to be nice.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    follow-up to this: Kabul taken Saturday bet on it. Kabul reached Saturday at latest.

  95. @Paperback Writer

    I mentioned in another thread that (in true totalitarian fashion), nothing may escape the Revolution. Cooking, art, music, hobbies, whatever – all must bow before it.
     
    I saw that. The one about Goodwhites at NPR and cooking, I believe. I agree.

    The entire NYC arts establishment cracked in front of BLM last June. Classical music is racist. Ballet is racist. Everything. That said, at least classical music and ballet are worthy prizes.

    But.... macaroni? Must they argue about everything??

    I suppose so.

    https://www.city-journal.org/classical-music-under-racial-attack-part-2

    Replies: @Hi There

    The entire NYC arts establishment cracked in front of BLM last June. Classical music is racist. Ballet is racist. Everything.

    If the current generation doesn’t care about classical music, then it is destined to die. And it will get hijacked by culture war politics in that process. If there are enough people who are serious about classical music they will push back and preserve it.

    I suspect few people seriously think classical music + ballet are racist. I know black people who like both. The bigger issue is that simply not enough people care. Most people I know including white people don’t care at all about classical music and ballet.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Hi There

    Most people are idiots, and that's been the norm for most times and places. But we used to have a small, critical mass of cultured and literate people who could sustain enterprises like symphony orchestras, ballet corps, and such.

    Now, all is swept up before the onslaught of the woke masses. The woke, ignorant masses.

  96. I think Douglas Adams had it right and we should call them Belgians.

  97. @ATBOTL
    @JimDandy

    Jews are bad tippers too, I can tell you from experience. Jews also often have special requests and make extra work for wait staff in a very similar way to blacks. Indians are bad tippers, but are quiet and don't demand special treatment.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I’ve heard Jews are often total nightmares to wait on, but I haven’t heard they are particularly bad tippers. Your experience with Indians is very different from what I’ve heard (and witnessed)–young, rich urban assholes who treat the help like they are slaves.

  98. Someone doesn’t want to risk being called a Karen. What’s the “genderfluid” counterpart? Kris? Kory? Kai?

  99. As a mid-forties white guy I think I’m on the older side of guys who don’t remember anything before the man bad/woman good narrative took over. I don’t like white women any more than black women do. I suspect white women are in much deeper trouble than most people realize. The older generation of men that defended and protected them is gonna be all retired soon. I don’t really care all that much about sex at this point so that’s not much of a motivator. Maybe a lot of white guys were monsters 50 years ago but I seriously doubt they held a candle to today’s white women. White women may have managed to alienate just about everyone.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @joe862


    I don’t really care all that much about sex at this point
     
    Why not?

    Replies: @joe862

  100. @Anon
    @Tom F.

    My thought is that you're just a repulsive human being who is upset about the fact that behavioral standards are rising in America and you can no longer smoke publicly, yawn loudly, recite fake news about the danger of vaccines, and operate a cock massage parlor without a license.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >standards are rising

    Everyone is rude, hateful, mean, sloppy, and prone to accidents and littering, in a way that they definitely were not for most of my life. Behavioral standards are cratering, and a major reason they’re cratering relevant to the increasing medical tyranny is that standards are not enforced upon non-whites (any white who tries is demonized as a “karen”). Los Angeles is possibly going to require that grocery shoppers present an ausweis or go without food. This obviously will never be enforced against blacks or Mexicans, who make up a huge proportion of LA, and have been problem groups for infection and protocol compliance. Blacks celebrated the earlier, stricter part of the lockdown with enormous house parties and sideshows. So every day whites are effectively persecuted more and more while nonwhites are privileged in ways that actually harm them in the long run.

  101. @res
    @Desiderius

    The article linked in the last tweet has an interesting take.
    The Unvaccinated Low-Risk and the Vaccinated High-Risk Are The Same Thing.
    https://beyondtheoptics.substack.com/p/the-unvaccinated-low-risk-and-the

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross

    The “vaccines” are safe and effective at transferring wealth from the taxpayer to private pharmaceutical firms.

  102. @Pat Hannagan
    Between winning World War II, when the world recognised American supremacy (Americans were 100% White) and today, what happened?

    Seriously, what happened?

    At that time you were tops of everything, unassailed victors without barely a scratch laid upon you. Today you're a hated minority in your own country.

    In the year of 2021 can't Taki's and Unz explore this confounding conundrum? How did White America go from being world beaters to despised minority in their own borders, within 76 years of reigning supreme?

    I would have thought big brained cerebral types like Derbyshire would have a ready made excuse to roll out, like blaming it all on the Irish.

    Americans put a man on the moon only a few decades ago, something never after achieved.

    What happend?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9fSjP2fD8

    Replies: @rebel yell

    Americans put a man on the moon only a few decades ago, something never after achieved.

    What happened?

    We returned from the moon and, like Odysseus, found that corruption had taken over our house. Unlike Odysseus’ wife, American women did not remain faithful and have jumped into bed with the suitors, so the whole thing has turned to farce.

  103. @anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Hadn't heard that before about Canadian tippers. But we have a friend who has a boyfriend who is ex Canadian (though he has lived in the US for a long time) and when we go out to eat as two couples and he and I split the check I'm always surprised at what he wants to tip. I'm usually around 20% unless the meal and waiter were exceptionally good or bad. He wants to tip closer to 10%.

    Replies: @QueueAnon

    When a waiter or waitress says “Canadian”, they just mean black and say that in case they are overheard. People generally assume that Canadians are white so no one would suspect who they are referring to – it is a bit of a food service shelta.

    • Agree: Tom F.
    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @QueueAnon

    Q: Why are Blacks such poor tippers?
    A: Because their private parts are so large, they don't have room for cash!

    Having dinner with two old schoolmates (from a Catholic social justice, okay, Jesuit background) and one of them wondered about that joke, which he had just heard, and wondered why it was supposed to be funny. I tried to explain (he got the 'big d*ck' part), but he wasn't having it and denied that the bad tipper stereotype had any factual basis. Next time the server came by I asked her if there was any particular group of people that were known as poor tippers. She smirked, and with no prompting, she replied honestly and couldn't help but tell us a few 'war stories.' Service jobs are underappreciated.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  104. @joe862
    As a mid-forties white guy I think I'm on the older side of guys who don't remember anything before the man bad/woman good narrative took over. I don't like white women any more than black women do. I suspect white women are in much deeper trouble than most people realize. The older generation of men that defended and protected them is gonna be all retired soon. I don't really care all that much about sex at this point so that's not much of a motivator. Maybe a lot of white guys were monsters 50 years ago but I seriously doubt they held a candle to today's white women. White women may have managed to alienate just about everyone.

    Replies: @Anon

    I don’t really care all that much about sex at this point

    Why not?

    • Replies: @joe862
    @Anon

    because hormones drop with age. Obviously not a sincere question. Why do you love evil?

  105. @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    Afghan restoration threads on 4chan are pretty comfy. One European anon observed that at the current rate they'd have the country back in less than a month. On the radio startled and confused intelligence boffins babbled about six months and not wanting to speculate. Americans, the wheels are off, we can push the evil queen out the window, because nobody in the government is brighter or braver than Adam here. It wasn't an act, this really is a government run by people like Comey, Fauci, Ciamarella, Vintland, etc.. Biden's standing-up to Putin consisted of giving Putin everything he wanted plus telling him where to target; Biden's response to the Taliban was to beg them to be nice.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    follow-up to this: Kabul taken Saturday bet on it. Kabul reached Saturday at latest.

  106. @Anon
    @joe862


    I don’t really care all that much about sex at this point
     
    Why not?

    Replies: @joe862

    because hormones drop with age. Obviously not a sincere question. Why do you love evil?

  107. @Hangnail Hans
    Black people aren't so bad.

    Just look at y'all white folks.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/gannett-bans-crimethink-about-crime-in-its-newspapers/#comment-4836403

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Sorry, didn’t read your link.

    Anyone who writes “y’all” is not worth taking seriously about anything.

  108. Do not defend Karen, she is a lefty and the left always eats it’s babies.

    Karen is a permanent 5th column, a dem voting, virtue signaling self entitled narcissist who when emancipated made the instant choice to murder her unborn babies ( unless she kept them as fashion accessories ) and destroy her family. Let nature take its course, karen must serve as an example to others who will otherwise follow in her path.

  109. @Stan Adams
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    My mother always mixed in some ground beef with the macaroni. My childhood self liked it well enough.

    My ultimate comfort-food meal is meatloaf with mac-and-cheese and green peas. Both my mother and my grandmother made it all the time.

    Lately Dollar Tree has been stocking huge amounts of Cheetos mac-and-cheese. It's not bad by junk-food standards. The main selling point is that it can be cooked in the microwave. Mix it with some cheap hamburger meat and you've got a nice little ghetto dinner.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    My childhood wasn't deprived in the conventional sense. I had a computer in my room before I started kindergarten. (This was in the late '80s, mind you.) During the latter part of my elementary-school years, I flew (on an airplane) about twice a month, on average.

    But I had to borrow lunch money at least once or twice a week. (My mother never cooked breakfast, so that midday meal was important.) I was constantly having to borrow pencils and paper because my mother never provided me with an adequate quantity of school supplies.

    My mother wasn't irresponsible in the sense that she always had a job, she wasn't a drunk (unlike her siblings), and she never let things get too bad. But she took a lackadaisical approach to meeting her obligations. She tried her best, but her best wasn't very good. I was not high on her list of priorities.

    She always bragged about her independence: "I don't need a man; I can take care of myself." But when I would complain about not being able to buy lunch, she would say, "Don't blame me. I don't have a husband to help me. It's not my fault that your father is such a loser. You're lucky that I'm able to feed you dinner. Go ask Grandma for lunch money."

    Grandma was the stable maternal figure. (Grandpa was the closest thing I ever had to a father.) Mom was a flaky older sister.

  110. @anon
    @res

    Yes, that is interesting, however it is not clear that the current mRNA vaccines actually limit spread, either. A leaky vaccine that is 50% effective isn't much of a preventative with regard to the spread of disease. That such a vaccine may reduce symptoms is a good thing, however that's more like a "treatment" or "theraputic". There are other compounds that are also treatments.

    Creating more asymptomatic spreaders would seem to be a bad idea. Yet the public health world doesn't seem to agree. It is strange.

    Replies: @Anon, @Mark G.

    That such a vaccine may reduce symptoms is a good thing, however that’s more like a “treatment” or “theraputic”. There are other compounds that are also treatments.

    The thing that is most surprising to me is that early treatment protocols for Covid were never developed and then implemented that involve various inexpensive nutritional supplements and drugs that could be used at home to prevent the need to go to the hospital.

    I’ve seen people on the internet say they went to a doctor when they first started to have symptoms and were told to come back if things became worse. There also seems to have been attempts to discourage doctors who wanted to use these therapies. In Australia, for example, doctors who wanted to try HCQ were threatened with arrest. Here in the U.S. the very expensive and not very effective drug Remdesivir was the only drug approved by the FDA for treatment.

    I suppose there is just too much money to be made by drug companies selling expensive drugs, hospitals treating people in the hospital rather than at home, vaccine companies selling lots of vaccines as part of mass vaccination campaigns and politicians receiving campaign donations from the medical monopoly for things to change.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
    @Mark G.

    Simple efforts and remedies that can boost the immune system, like sunbathing, or vitamin supplements, or regular, mild exercises, are positively forbidden to be discussed in public forum.

  111. @Anon
    @ben tillman


    Fried chicken? When I was in college, a black girl from Macon liked me and invited me to her apartment. What did she do? She proceeded to fry me some chicken.
     
    Did you date?

    Replies: @Dumbo

    The question should be, did you score?

  112. @Paperback Writer

    The intensity of racist hatred of white women that the New York Times is proud to publish can be pretty astonishing even today.
     
    You seddit. I keep steeling myself and it ain't working. I keep gasping.

    It's part of a general hatred of whites that the Times is whipping up:

    I'm not going to look it up again, just take my word for it, but a year or so ago there was an article about the sacred place of mac and cheese in black culture.* The article had a gratuitous swipe at some white woman's recipe. It made the author "gag." Because the recipe had corn niblets in it.

    Now, I prefer my mac and cheese without corn. But if someone offered me a variant recipe, I'd politely eat some and let it pass without comment.

    The childishness of some blacks is breathtaking. But that doesn't excuse the white-Jewish management of the NY Times in enabling this.

    *About a year ago I began reading on the net numerous articles about mac and cheese and blacks. It's THEIR national dish, supposedly. Now, I grew up around blacks and I never noticed this. I have a theory that it's the culinary version of hair-touching, that is, bullshit created to divert people from the truth. Blacks really do love collard greens, fried chicken, watermelon, and all that stereotypical stuff. Nothing wrong with that - what American outside of vegans, doesn't? But reminding blacks of anything black ticks them off, so they have to invent a diversion which is an inversion of the truth. Hair touching is one such. I do not know one person who wants to touch black hair - the contrary. Mac and cheese is a universal American dish - one of the few dishes that's popular everywhere, among all groups. So it's THEIRS. And if you, whitey want to make it with a special flourish, that makes the NY-Times appointed black God gag.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @jsm, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @George Rockwell, @Dumbo

    Fried chicken, collard greens and watermelon are much tastier than “mac and cheese”, which I thought was actually a “Canadian national dish”. Or is that why waiters call Blacks “Canadian”?

    It’s kind of stupid that because some foods are stereotypical, you should stop eating them, or believe that it is somehow “racist” to point it out. Italians eat spaghetti all the time. It’s a stereotype. Some people make fun of them for that. Now, that hasn’t stopped Italians from eating spaghetti. What do they care what other idiots think?

    On the other hand, Italian food in general is much better (and healthier) than Black American food.

    As for watermelons, it’s not just Blacks that like them. I think this is more because of some old Betty Boop cartoons, showing blacks eating watermelon in a funny way. Honestly, the whole thing is quite stupid and ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    This whole "mac and cheese is Black" thing is ridiculous. Southern whites and blacks lived in the same place and (especially before the era of the supermarket) all had to eat from the same earth. The nature of food is also that if one group is cooking something tasty, the other group is going to steal the recipe and adopt it (unless there is some compelling reason - economics, religion, etc. why they can't and even then they will often adapt the recipe to make it work for them). For example, chicken was once rather expensive before the era of factory farming - at a black table you might have had a little fried chicken and a LOT of hush puppies (cornmeal fritters) or maybe just the hush puppies. And the "stealing" (it's not theft at all, it's just a natural process) goes on in both directions - the Southern diet has recipes that have African influences, but OTOH, the African-American diet is quite different from the diet that the slaves had consumed in Africa.

    Now applying this to mac 'n cheese: "Soul food" had certain dishes that were uniquely or largely black, stemming from the fact that the best cuts of the hog were reserved for the master's table and the slaves were given the leftover bits - the ham hock, the trotters, the jowl, etc. However, inexpensive side dishes (cornbread, biscuits, field peas, etc.) were found at all tables.

    Where does mac and cheese fit in this spectrum? Until modern times, on the white side of the table. Jefferson, a man ahead of his times, brought back a pasta extruding machine with him from Italy but generally speaking, shaped pasta ("macaroni") was not a big part of the American diet. It required specialized equipment to make at home and was not available in stores until the massive Italian immigration in the Ellis Island era. Cheese would have been a high budget item - something imported from the dairy lands of the north (Wisconsin, Vermont) out of reach for most blacks. And fresh milk was not a common item at the Southern table before the era of refrigeration. I would be willing to bet money that blacks did not widely adopt mac and cheese until the modern supermarket era. And then it was just one more of the American side dishes that blacks and whites shared - coleslaw, potato salad, etc.

    Mac and cheese was not that common a dish at all before the very recent era when Kraft turned it into something that came in a box with a conveniently dehydrated powdered cheese sauce that could be quickly prepared at home and was inexpensive. The current generation grew up on this stuff and later wanted more "gourmet" versions of it. Back in the housewife era, if you were a busy (black) mom and just got home from your day of keeping house for the white ladies, you weren't going to start grating cheese and cooking pasta and making a roux and then a béchamel and adding cheese and baking it - much too lengthy of a process for a weeknight dish.

    Replies: @Ed Case

  113. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback, ah yes, collard greens as a trigger for racism. A Google manager, IIRC, orders a menu of collard greens, corn bread and fried chicken to celebrate our newest national holiday, Juneteenth, and he is shit canned. The soup kitchen where I volunteer has a MLK day for local school kids, almost all blacks, and invites in a noted local black restaurant owner and she serves...collard greens...you know the rest. Enjoy your day.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Old Brown Fool

    Whole Foods urged people to start cooking with collards, and it was criticized for trying appropriate and misappropriate and ruin a food recipe favoured by a particular people.

    Now, it everyone else learns their lesson and stops discussing such foods favoured by that people, then it will be deemed racist.

    If they show interest in that food, and try to experiment with the recipe, than it is also deemed racist.

    If I look at you it is racist; if I ignore you it is also racist.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Old Brown Fool

    OBF, nice comment. It's ok that I say nice comment, right? Or I could ignore you. Stay safe.

  114. @Mark G.
    @anon


    That such a vaccine may reduce symptoms is a good thing, however that’s more like a “treatment” or “theraputic”. There are other compounds that are also treatments.
     
    The thing that is most surprising to me is that early treatment protocols for Covid were never developed and then implemented that involve various inexpensive nutritional supplements and drugs that could be used at home to prevent the need to go to the hospital.

    I've seen people on the internet say they went to a doctor when they first started to have symptoms and were told to come back if things became worse. There also seems to have been attempts to discourage doctors who wanted to use these therapies. In Australia, for example, doctors who wanted to try HCQ were threatened with arrest. Here in the U.S. the very expensive and not very effective drug Remdesivir was the only drug approved by the FDA for treatment.

    I suppose there is just too much money to be made by drug companies selling expensive drugs, hospitals treating people in the hospital rather than at home, vaccine companies selling lots of vaccines as part of mass vaccination campaigns and politicians receiving campaign donations from the medical monopoly for things to change.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool

    Simple efforts and remedies that can boost the immune system, like sunbathing, or vitamin supplements, or regular, mild exercises, are positively forbidden to be discussed in public forum.

  115. @Altai2

    What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women? For example, I’ve been informed by countless restaurant workers over the years that their very worst customers tend to be of that sacred race that the staff self-protectingly refers to only as “uh-oh, Canadians.”
     
    As has been said before, everything the US media claims is about race is actually about class, everything the US media claims is about class is actually about race.

    Self-important rich women who think they are above everyone else piss everyone off all the time.

    I think some feminists also have a point that many women aren't very assertive so sometimes when something happens and they are afraid of being unassertive they panic and overreach, like the girl who thought that the black guy stole her phone. She may have been worried that she was letting her unassertiveness (Or desire not to be seen as racist) allow him to go free.

    Finally, it's a lot easier to point to innately disagreeable Southern/Midwestern WASP/Germanic or Northern Italian women as just baseline belligerent despite not being high status or wealthy than it is to talk about Indians, Chinese, Jews or blacks behaving the same way.

    Finally, women hate other women more than they can hate other men who they aren't really socially competing with, so non-white women will create narratives about how white women are evil and wrong and illegitimate in order to salve their own anxieties about being immigrants and justify more ethnic cleansing. Instead of 'We made the desert bloom!' it's 'We shut the Karens up!'

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Skyler the Weird, @SOL

    “Finally, it’s a lot easier to point to innately disagreeable Southern”

    BS

  116. @JimDandy
    I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than "Canadians"--Indians from India.

    Replies: @PSR, @Jack D, @guest007, @ATBOTL, @The Plutonium Kid, @Rapparee, @JohnnyWalker123

    Actually, white Southerners are pretty bad tippers, too, and they’re quite shameless about it. They’re not nearly as demanding though. One complaint many restaurant owners and manager have about their Southern patrons is that they never complain, which makes it hard to make sure the service and food are up to par. They don’t complain, of course, because they consider it bad manners to complain about a host’s accommodations even if it’s a commercial establishment. My father and stepmother once took me to a steakhouse for my birthday. The bill came to slightly more than $160 and they were utterly baffled when I object to the eight dollar tip there were going to leave.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @The Plutonium Kid

    In the big cities, blacks and foreigners are known as the main villains., but there are a lotta types of bad tippers out there, no doubt.

  117. @AndrewR
    Yes, in my experience, Karens are proportionately most likely to be black. But the fellow whites who run the NYT and almost all media and banks have a genocidal hatred of whites. And at this point it's hard to blame them for going full steam ahead with the genocidal rhetoric. White liberals get off on this stuff.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @EdwardM

    Not sure I agree. I think that “Karens” as the term has evolved refers to a busybody who wants to summon authority to enforce what she perceives as some transgression against the social order, while the black equivalent is more selfish, wanting the gibs for herself. White Karen thinks she’s all about harmony, brought about by authoritarianism (which will naturally share her world view), while blacks are more socially equipped to achieve arbitrage admist the chaos.

  118. Karens exist in all races. For example, here is a white Karen from Australia demanding to speak to the manager of the Royal Australian Navy because she’s not happy with how they are handling their submarines.

    • Replies: @sb
    @anon

    Pauline Hanson is no intellectual but her heart's in the right place
    The subtext of her questioning was the Australia should have state of the art nuclear powered submarines not tired old diesel powered ones ( which were chosen to appease greenie types and provide lots of well paid union jobs )

  119. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Stan Adams

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    My childhood wasn’t deprived in the conventional sense. I had a computer in my room before I started kindergarten. (This was in the late ’80s, mind you.) During the latter part of my elementary-school years, I flew (on an airplane) about twice a month, on average.

    But I had to borrow lunch money at least once or twice a week. (My mother never cooked breakfast, so that midday meal was important.) I was constantly having to borrow pencils and paper because my mother never provided me with an adequate quantity of school supplies.

    My mother wasn’t irresponsible in the sense that she always had a job, she wasn’t a drunk (unlike her siblings), and she never let things get too bad. But she took a lackadaisical approach to meeting her obligations. She tried her best, but her best wasn’t very good. I was not high on her list of priorities.

    She always bragged about her independence: “I don’t need a man; I can take care of myself.” But when I would complain about not being able to buy lunch, she would say, “Don’t blame me. I don’t have a husband to help me. It’s not my fault that your father is such a loser. You’re lucky that I’m able to feed you dinner. Go ask Grandma for lunch money.”

    Grandma was the stable maternal figure. (Grandpa was the closest thing I ever had to a father.) Mom was a flaky older sister.

  120. I’ve encountered many lowlife, low-IQ, spiteful, anti-white Indian women over the years, often working at places like hotels. I remember once this Indian hotel manager with the IQ of a dog and who was probably an illegal literally barking orders at a poor Mexican housekeeping employee in broken English. And as another commenter mentioned here, when it comes to viciousness, bitterness, and disdain there are a lot of lowlife black females who take the cake.

    As for the Karen term, I remember once I was walking by a church and a car full of young kids had stopped and several of them were taking pisses right next to a priests’ rectory. I was standing there watching and one of them saw me and yelled “What are you watching Karen?” at me.

    The Karen term is an anti-white hate term and any media organizations which use it and promote it are promoting anti-white hatred.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @KSC


    I’ve encountered many lowlife, low-IQ, spiteful, anti-white Indian women over the years, often working at places like hotels.
     
    A lot of high-IQ Indian women seem to be viciously anti-White.
  121. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Cathy Young recently wrote an obmoxious trashing of Charles Murray, but she partially redeems herself here with a tour of Karens from the last two or three years who turn out to have been misrepresented in the media.

    https://cathy.arcdigital.media/p/the-central-park-karen-and-the-problem

    I knew about some of these, but not all of them. It seems that authentic Karens are almost as rare as authentic nooses.

    She covers:

    1. Central Park birdwatcher

    2. Napping while black

    3. Portland Crosswalk Cathy

    4. Barbecue Becky

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Anon

    Thanks. It's a shame that Cathy Young is now going to retreat behind a Paywall.

  122. @Trinity
    "Becky" existed before "Karen."

    And they have totally HIJACKED "woke." Being "woke" was started by the Alt Right and it meant one that was wise to the JQ, the anti-White message, etc., the complete opposite of what "woke" means today. Just as "liberal" was hijacked long ago by people who are the antithesis of a liberal.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Bill Jones

    I’ve been pushing the word Wokel to describe the Karen’s of the world: Gender and race free it has the perfect superciliousness to describe those who practice it.

    Disappointed at the lack of uptake.

  123. Karen is now a fairly popular name in Mexico, much more than it is in the U.S.

  124. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Desiderius


    If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    [Kinzinger being a knob]

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.
     
    Am I missing something, or would it have made much better sense 20 years ago or so to set up a garrison or a few of U.S. troops in some discrete, defensible areas of Afghanistan from which to project U.S. military might via quick, low-profile strikes against actual terrorists?

    I don't recall this whole affair having been explained to us 20 years ago in terms of making Afghanistan a first world Western style nation. It just sort of evolved from "we're going to get the bastards who did this" to "we need to fight to make sure Afghan girls go to school and become career women" drip by drip. Rooting out members of a terrorist organization is at least a discrete, somewhat achievable objective. Wholesale change of a stew of premodern tribal cultures into an Asian version of Canada by force is not. Early on I assumed that this nonsense was the domestically palatable pretext necessary to keep the whole thing going (please don't cut our appropriations, Senator Feinstein, of the Afghan girls will never experience multiple abortions!), but it seems that at a certain point the fools actually came to embrace this.

    I suppose one could remain agnostic about the Afghan war, but there is a principle worth insisting upon - viz, that the military actually have the support of the American public for its wars. The war was "lost" when people like Kinzinger failed to make a persuasive case for its continuation to the American people, and instead relied upon their distraction in order for the war to continue indefinitely. That the general officer corps seems to have treated these wars as fertile grounds for promotion and a springboard for lucrative post-commission employment is another grounds for skepticism.

    Replies: @Bill B., @anonymous

    Yes clearly the military – without firm political guidance – could not bear leaving after its initial punishment expedition.

    But do not discount the shadow army of uber-liberal NGOs that flooded into with, if not much practical impact, a vast array of ambitions protected by an inexhaustible number of hands-on-hips “How Dare You!”‘ threats directed at any attempt to leave Afghanistan to its default premodern Islamic tribal self.

  125. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Desiderius


    If you thought the Karens were bad just look at what the Adams are up to:

    [Kinzinger being a knob]

    Excruciatingly tone deaf. They really never thought this could happen.
     
    Am I missing something, or would it have made much better sense 20 years ago or so to set up a garrison or a few of U.S. troops in some discrete, defensible areas of Afghanistan from which to project U.S. military might via quick, low-profile strikes against actual terrorists?

    I don't recall this whole affair having been explained to us 20 years ago in terms of making Afghanistan a first world Western style nation. It just sort of evolved from "we're going to get the bastards who did this" to "we need to fight to make sure Afghan girls go to school and become career women" drip by drip. Rooting out members of a terrorist organization is at least a discrete, somewhat achievable objective. Wholesale change of a stew of premodern tribal cultures into an Asian version of Canada by force is not. Early on I assumed that this nonsense was the domestically palatable pretext necessary to keep the whole thing going (please don't cut our appropriations, Senator Feinstein, of the Afghan girls will never experience multiple abortions!), but it seems that at a certain point the fools actually came to embrace this.

    I suppose one could remain agnostic about the Afghan war, but there is a principle worth insisting upon - viz, that the military actually have the support of the American public for its wars. The war was "lost" when people like Kinzinger failed to make a persuasive case for its continuation to the American people, and instead relied upon their distraction in order for the war to continue indefinitely. That the general officer corps seems to have treated these wars as fertile grounds for promotion and a springboard for lucrative post-commission employment is another grounds for skepticism.

    Replies: @Bill B., @anonymous

    Colonel Kurtz, in Apocalypse Now, was to be terminated with extreme prejudice because of similar quick, low-profile strikes. And they called him murderer. Not the way to act by someone being groomed for one of the top spots in the corporation.

  126. @Dumbo
    @Paperback Writer

    Fried chicken, collard greens and watermelon are much tastier than "mac and cheese", which I thought was actually a "Canadian national dish". Or is that why waiters call Blacks "Canadian"?

    It's kind of stupid that because some foods are stereotypical, you should stop eating them, or believe that it is somehow "racist" to point it out. Italians eat spaghetti all the time. It's a stereotype. Some people make fun of them for that. Now, that hasn't stopped Italians from eating spaghetti. What do they care what other idiots think?

    On the other hand, Italian food in general is much better (and healthier) than Black American food.

    As for watermelons, it's not just Blacks that like them. I think this is more because of some old Betty Boop cartoons, showing blacks eating watermelon in a funny way. Honestly, the whole thing is quite stupid and ridiculous.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This whole “mac and cheese is Black” thing is ridiculous. Southern whites and blacks lived in the same place and (especially before the era of the supermarket) all had to eat from the same earth. The nature of food is also that if one group is cooking something tasty, the other group is going to steal the recipe and adopt it (unless there is some compelling reason – economics, religion, etc. why they can’t and even then they will often adapt the recipe to make it work for them). For example, chicken was once rather expensive before the era of factory farming – at a black table you might have had a little fried chicken and a LOT of hush puppies (cornmeal fritters) or maybe just the hush puppies. And the “stealing” (it’s not theft at all, it’s just a natural process) goes on in both directions – the Southern diet has recipes that have African influences, but OTOH, the African-American diet is quite different from the diet that the slaves had consumed in Africa.

    Now applying this to mac ‘n cheese: “Soul food” had certain dishes that were uniquely or largely black, stemming from the fact that the best cuts of the hog were reserved for the master’s table and the slaves were given the leftover bits – the ham hock, the trotters, the jowl, etc. However, inexpensive side dishes (cornbread, biscuits, field peas, etc.) were found at all tables.

    Where does mac and cheese fit in this spectrum? Until modern times, on the white side of the table. Jefferson, a man ahead of his times, brought back a pasta extruding machine with him from Italy but generally speaking, shaped pasta (“macaroni”) was not a big part of the American diet. It required specialized equipment to make at home and was not available in stores until the massive Italian immigration in the Ellis Island era. Cheese would have been a high budget item – something imported from the dairy lands of the north (Wisconsin, Vermont) out of reach for most blacks. And fresh milk was not a common item at the Southern table before the era of refrigeration. I would be willing to bet money that blacks did not widely adopt mac and cheese until the modern supermarket era. And then it was just one more of the American side dishes that blacks and whites shared – coleslaw, potato salad, etc.

    Mac and cheese was not that common a dish at all before the very recent era when Kraft turned it into something that came in a box with a conveniently dehydrated powdered cheese sauce that could be quickly prepared at home and was inexpensive. The current generation grew up on this stuff and later wanted more “gourmet” versions of it. Back in the housewife era, if you were a busy (black) mom and just got home from your day of keeping house for the white ladies, you weren’t going to start grating cheese and cooking pasta and making a roux and then a bĂ©chamel and adding cheese and baking it – much too lengthy of a process for a weeknight dish.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
    @Jack D


    And fresh milk was not a common item at the Southern table before the era of refrigeration.
     
    In Australia, the skim milk was fed to hogs and the cream was sold to the Co-op.
    Even today, bacon and ham is still found in the Dairy Case at the supermarket.

    All that changed with the occupation of Australia by American troops from 1942-45.
    To the amazement of Australia's dairymen, "the Yanks were mad for milk" and that was the end of the economics of dairying in Australia when Cream, Pork and Chickens/Eggs were all Dairy products.
  127. @Jack D
    @JimDandy

    Not all countries have the custom of tipping waiters, or the customary percentage is lower than in the US. In India, 5% is a standard tip and 10% is generous, according to their customs. Not all Indians reset their habits when they move to the US (though they should).

    But American blacks were born in this culture and they have no such excuse. I think "Canadian" style tipping comes from a different place. In case you haven't noticed, many blacks in America have a massive chip on their shoulder. They feel that they have been given the short end of the stick for the last 400 years. So, "society" owes them a karmic debt. Finally being in a position to order white people around, to run the waiters ragged and then stiff them on the tip, is payback for a lifetime of indignity in their minds.

    This may give you a hint as to how blacks will treat white people in general once they are in charge. Whenever I see some Federal case where a white white collar defendant (especially a Republican) has gotten into some sort of trouble in DC ("lying to a Federal officer") and the judge has come down on him like a ton of bricks, I check to see if the judge is black and usually he or she is.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JimDandy, @Harry Baldwin

    white white collar defendant (especially a Republican) has gotten into some sort of trouble in DC (“lying to a Federal officer”) and the judge has come down on him like a ton of bricks

    Example: Judge Emmett Sullivan and the case of General Flynn.

  128. @SafeNow
    Jews are the worst Karens. That’s why they are incompatible with military life, where you don’t question orders, or demand to see a superior officer, or negotiate to substitute tomato slices for hash browns.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    The two women who come to my mind when I hear the term “Karen” are my two Jewish hyper-progressive sisters-in-law.

    I wonder how often a conservative woman behaves like a Karen.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin


    The two women who come to my mind when I hear the term “Karen” are my two Jewish hyper-progressive sisters-in-law.
     
    Was the Amy Cooper woman who was accosted by the black birdwatcher Jewish?
  129. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    I remember that. Nothing we do is acceptable. If we do A, it's B. If we do B, it's C. It's always a new hoop to jump through for the Sacred Tribe.

    I don't know how to deal with this but I'm working on a plan. Anything that involves the ST's must be handled cleverly. So do the exact opposite of what you'd naturally do. Blacks and collard greens? NOPE.

    My suggested menu:

    Stuffed derma
    Haggis
    Tripe

    And my favorite:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu

    https://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Casu-Marzu-Sardinian-Sheep-Pecorino.png

    Replies: @jsm, @Charlotte

    The casu martzu needs some Surströmming to go with it.

  130. @QueueAnon
    @anon

    When a waiter or waitress says "Canadian", they just mean black and say that in case they are overheard. People generally assume that Canadians are white so no one would suspect who they are referring to - it is a bit of a food service shelta.

    Replies: @Tom F.

    Q: Why are Blacks such poor tippers?
    A: Because their private parts are so large, they don’t have room for cash!

    Having dinner with two old schoolmates (from a Catholic social justice, okay, Jesuit background) and one of them wondered about that joke, which he had just heard, and wondered why it was supposed to be funny. I tried to explain (he got the ‘big d*ck’ part), but he wasn’t having it and denied that the bad tipper stereotype had any factual basis. Next time the server came by I asked her if there was any particular group of people that were known as poor tippers. She smirked, and with no prompting, she replied honestly and couldn’t help but tell us a few ‘war stories.’ Service jobs are underappreciated.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Tom F.

    I know that they always think about sex because they have pubic hair on their heads.

    And they stink so that blind and deaf people can hate them, too.

  131. @The Plutonium Kid
    @JimDandy

    Actually, white Southerners are pretty bad tippers, too, and they're quite shameless about it. They're not nearly as demanding though. One complaint many restaurant owners and manager have about their Southern patrons is that they never complain, which makes it hard to make sure the service and food are up to par. They don't complain, of course, because they consider it bad manners to complain about a host's accommodations even if it's a commercial establishment. My father and stepmother once took me to a steakhouse for my birthday. The bill came to slightly more than $160 and they were utterly baffled when I object to the eight dollar tip there were going to leave.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    In the big cities, blacks and foreigners are known as the main villains., but there are a lotta types of bad tippers out there, no doubt.

  132. @Chu
    This Marxist movement is sick because it debases people and a reduces people to clusters - all done under covid lockdown (ala the 'Shock Doctrine'). I sent the article below to a few leftist white women in the US last year and some were agreeing with it the author! I wonder if they realize that this is really about bashing white women and not the bad 'Karens' they make it out to be. Sometimes I think Catholic guilt has morphed into white guilt. Sad that many were falling for it.

    ------------------------------------------------

    Washington Post opinions editor says white women are 'lucky' that black people are 'just calling them Karens and not calling for 'revenge'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8474549/Washington-Post-opinions-editor-says-white-women-lucky-people-arent-calling-revenge.html

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Too funny, because their whole lives are about revenge, and it’s odd because they are always and forever exacting this “revenge” upon people who have done nothing at all to them. But they’re doing exactly what decades of mass media programming have instructed them to do. Race hatred is such a bad thing that they’ve turned it into their sacred religion.

  133. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is why we can't have nice things in America.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Until 55 years ago this was a nation full of “nice things’ but that’s all over now.

  134. @Hi There
    @Paperback Writer


    The entire NYC arts establishment cracked in front of BLM last June. Classical music is racist. Ballet is racist. Everything.
     
    If the current generation doesn't care about classical music, then it is destined to die. And it will get hijacked by culture war politics in that process. If there are enough people who are serious about classical music they will push back and preserve it.

    I suspect few people seriously think classical music + ballet are racist. I know black people who like both. The bigger issue is that simply not enough people care. Most people I know including white people don't care at all about classical music and ballet.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Most people are idiots, and that’s been the norm for most times and places. But we used to have a small, critical mass of cultured and literate people who could sustain enterprises like symphony orchestras, ballet corps, and such.

    Now, all is swept up before the onslaught of the woke masses. The woke, ignorant masses.

  135. @Old Brown Fool
    @Buffalo Joe

    Whole Foods urged people to start cooking with collards, and it was criticized for trying appropriate and misappropriate and ruin a food recipe favoured by a particular people.

    Now, it everyone else learns their lesson and stops discussing such foods favoured by that people, then it will be deemed racist.

    If they show interest in that food, and try to experiment with the recipe, than it is also deemed racist.

    If I look at you it is racist; if I ignore you it is also racist.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    OBF, nice comment. It’s ok that I say nice comment, right? Or I could ignore you. Stay safe.

  136. @Anon
    Cathy Young recently wrote an obmoxious trashing of Charles Murray, but she partially redeems herself here with a tour of Karens from the last two or three years who turn out to have been misrepresented in the media.

    https://cathy.arcdigital.media/p/the-central-park-karen-and-the-problem

    I knew about some of these, but not all of them. It seems that authentic Karens are almost as rare as authentic nooses.

    She covers:

    1. Central Park birdwatcher

    2. Napping while black

    3. Portland Crosswalk Cathy

    4. Barbecue Becky

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Thanks. It’s a shame that Cathy Young is now going to retreat behind a Paywall.

  137. @KSC
    I've encountered many lowlife, low-IQ, spiteful, anti-white Indian women over the years, often working at places like hotels. I remember once this Indian hotel manager with the IQ of a dog and who was probably an illegal literally barking orders at a poor Mexican housekeeping employee in broken English. And as another commenter mentioned here, when it comes to viciousness, bitterness, and disdain there are a lot of lowlife black females who take the cake.

    As for the Karen term, I remember once I was walking by a church and a car full of young kids had stopped and several of them were taking pisses right next to a priests' rectory. I was standing there watching and one of them saw me and yelled "What are you watching Karen?" at me.

    The Karen term is an anti-white hate term and any media organizations which use it and promote it are promoting anti-white hatred.

    Replies: @Anon

    I’ve encountered many lowlife, low-IQ, spiteful, anti-white Indian women over the years, often working at places like hotels.

    A lot of high-IQ Indian women seem to be viciously anti-White.

  138. @Harry Baldwin
    @SafeNow

    The two women who come to my mind when I hear the term "Karen" are my two Jewish hyper-progressive sisters-in-law.

    I wonder how often a conservative woman behaves like a Karen.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The two women who come to my mind when I hear the term “Karen” are my two Jewish hyper-progressive sisters-in-law.

    Was the Amy Cooper woman who was accosted by the black birdwatcher Jewish?

  139. @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    This whole "mac and cheese is Black" thing is ridiculous. Southern whites and blacks lived in the same place and (especially before the era of the supermarket) all had to eat from the same earth. The nature of food is also that if one group is cooking something tasty, the other group is going to steal the recipe and adopt it (unless there is some compelling reason - economics, religion, etc. why they can't and even then they will often adapt the recipe to make it work for them). For example, chicken was once rather expensive before the era of factory farming - at a black table you might have had a little fried chicken and a LOT of hush puppies (cornmeal fritters) or maybe just the hush puppies. And the "stealing" (it's not theft at all, it's just a natural process) goes on in both directions - the Southern diet has recipes that have African influences, but OTOH, the African-American diet is quite different from the diet that the slaves had consumed in Africa.

    Now applying this to mac 'n cheese: "Soul food" had certain dishes that were uniquely or largely black, stemming from the fact that the best cuts of the hog were reserved for the master's table and the slaves were given the leftover bits - the ham hock, the trotters, the jowl, etc. However, inexpensive side dishes (cornbread, biscuits, field peas, etc.) were found at all tables.

    Where does mac and cheese fit in this spectrum? Until modern times, on the white side of the table. Jefferson, a man ahead of his times, brought back a pasta extruding machine with him from Italy but generally speaking, shaped pasta ("macaroni") was not a big part of the American diet. It required specialized equipment to make at home and was not available in stores until the massive Italian immigration in the Ellis Island era. Cheese would have been a high budget item - something imported from the dairy lands of the north (Wisconsin, Vermont) out of reach for most blacks. And fresh milk was not a common item at the Southern table before the era of refrigeration. I would be willing to bet money that blacks did not widely adopt mac and cheese until the modern supermarket era. And then it was just one more of the American side dishes that blacks and whites shared - coleslaw, potato salad, etc.

    Mac and cheese was not that common a dish at all before the very recent era when Kraft turned it into something that came in a box with a conveniently dehydrated powdered cheese sauce that could be quickly prepared at home and was inexpensive. The current generation grew up on this stuff and later wanted more "gourmet" versions of it. Back in the housewife era, if you were a busy (black) mom and just got home from your day of keeping house for the white ladies, you weren't going to start grating cheese and cooking pasta and making a roux and then a béchamel and adding cheese and baking it - much too lengthy of a process for a weeknight dish.

    Replies: @Ed Case

    And fresh milk was not a common item at the Southern table before the era of refrigeration.

    In Australia, the skim milk was fed to hogs and the cream was sold to the Co-op.
    Even today, bacon and ham is still found in the Dairy Case at the supermarket.

    All that changed with the occupation of Australia by American troops from 1942-45.
    To the amazement of Australia’s dairymen, “the Yanks were mad for milk” and that was the end of the economics of dairying in Australia when Cream, Pork and Chickens/Eggs were all Dairy products.

  140. @Hi There
    Oh jeez. They tie Emmett Till into this one. That's the funniest part:

    For most of American history, a white woman’s accusation could be enough to destroy a Black person, as in the savage killing by two white men of the 14-year-old Emmett Till in Mississippi in 1955, after a white woman named Carolyn Bryant claimed that he had whistled at her. As the journalist Damon Young wrote on The Root last year, Karen is too “cutesy” and flippant a name for such murderousness, like “memeifying death.”
     
    I disagree with this:

    What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white.
     
    People are allowed to talk and write about the "Karen" phenomenon and mention that Karen refers to a white woman without it being hateful. This specific NYT article is hateful. The Emmett Till reference is specifically stoking anger and rage at people who are female and white.

    Sailer's article is promoting resentment against NYT elites who are being mean to white people.

    My plea to this crowd:

    - Don't let the haters get you down. Live an amazing, rich, kind, positive life no matter how much the NYT and the universities hate your skin color and racial group. Even today; focus on the great things in your life, and live a wonderful day.

    - Recognize you have the moral high ground. When elites like the NYT are preaching + promoting racial hatred like this, they are the bad guys. Note: regular non-white people just walking down the street did nothing wrong in this scenario and don't deserve hate. The NYT people involved really do deserve a healthy does of righteous anger. Definitely no violence and don't forfeit the moral high ground that you hold.

    - Channel your emotions constructively. I imagine the natural reaction to this story is to get really angry, but project your anger in unconstructive ways. I hope some of you become lawyers and sue them into bankruptcy. Or rival pundits and destroy their reputation. But anger without results is a waste and don't waste your energy.

    - Focus on what you love, not what you hate. Love yourselves, and your families. Have children. Protect them from jerks like the NYT.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “For most of American history, a white woman’s accusation could be enough to destroy a black person, as in the savage killing by two White men of the 14-year-old Emmett Till in Mississippi in 1955, after a White woman named Carolyn Bryant claimed that he had whistled at her. As the journalist Damon Young wrote on The Root last year, Karen is too ‘cutesy’ and flippant a name for such murderousness, like ‘memeifying death.’”

    Lies, on top of lies, on top of lies, with one pathological liar calling on another for supporting testimony.

    The Story of Emmett Till: Facts vs. Racist Fairy Tales
    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2021/07/the-story-of-emmett-till-facts-vs.html

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
  141. @Tom F.
    @QueueAnon

    Q: Why are Blacks such poor tippers?
    A: Because their private parts are so large, they don't have room for cash!

    Having dinner with two old schoolmates (from a Catholic social justice, okay, Jesuit background) and one of them wondered about that joke, which he had just heard, and wondered why it was supposed to be funny. I tried to explain (he got the 'big d*ck' part), but he wasn't having it and denied that the bad tipper stereotype had any factual basis. Next time the server came by I asked her if there was any particular group of people that were known as poor tippers. She smirked, and with no prompting, she replied honestly and couldn't help but tell us a few 'war stories.' Service jobs are underappreciated.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    I know that they always think about sex because they have pubic hair on their heads.

    And they stink so that blind and deaf people can hate them, too.

    • LOL: Tom F.
  142. @Hannah Katz
    If a Karen does not get her way in a store, she will demand to speak to the manager. If a Kadeesha does not get her way in a store, she will demand that the clerk and the manager be fired and doxed, and get a mob together to burn down the store. See, there is a difference.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @BB753

    Kadeesha will likely never call the cops, not under any circumstance.

  143. @jsm
    @Paperback Writer

    Next time I'm required to pick the menu for a black get together, I'll serve...

    grilled Kraft American-cheese sandwiches on Wonder bread, chocolate milk, and Lays potato chips.

    That's what my 60's mom made me, in my 99-percent-White suburban neighborhood, when I'd walk home from school for lunch.

    Will that keep me out of trouble?

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Will that keep me out of trouble?

    The desire to stay out of trouble is racist: you should be penitent at all times, and acknowledge your guilt and embrace your opportunity to be the recipient of righteous retribution.

    On the flip side, if you can find a dusky ancestor, you’re home free: you can burn shit down and freeshop to the tune of $950 per store, sustained by the power of that black staple… Mac&Cheese.

    I’ve got a dusky ancestor, so the only time my immunity from trouble fails, is when a Karen discovers that I am unsound on the JQ. I could be as black as the arse of a goat and that wouldn’t save me.

    US blacks are just the shtrafniki causing mayhem to cover for the Zio-kikes’ final looting of the US treasury as the mostly-mythical Hamiltonian social experiment unravels.

  144. @anon
    Karens exist in all races. For example, here is a white Karen from Australia demanding to speak to the manager of the Royal Australian Navy because she's not happy with how they are handling their submarines.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k870cg2E4LM

    Replies: @sb

    Pauline Hanson is no intellectual but her heart’s in the right place
    The subtext of her questioning was the Australia should have state of the art nuclear powered submarines not tired old diesel powered ones ( which were chosen to appease greenie types and provide lots of well paid union jobs )

  145. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    What’s striking is how there is absolutely no reason other than racist hate to specify that this type of woman is white. Surely, this kind of behavior is not restricted to a single race of women?
     
    Steve, your willful naivete is starting affect your work. Gee, I wonder why they specify that this type of woman is white when non-white women also act similarly. Maybe, it's because they're not generally racist, they're anti-white.

    Here's your answer, and it's quite simple:

    They hate whites - and whites alone - and want us turned into helots at best, eradicated at worst.

    Until you accept this reality, you'll never really understand what's happening to what was your country.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Here’s your answer, and it’s quite simple: They hate whites – and whites alone – and want us turned into helots at best, eradicated at worst.”

    The truth of the matter is that iSteve knows what you are saying is an “idea” itself, perpetuated by a subset of whites for a host of reasons. Now, he is too cagey to come out and counteract your notions in direct fashion.

    White people don’t hate themselves or their race. Simply put, they make their own decisions about race and culture that you ideologically oppose.

    Of course it’s scary, from your perspective, that American whites in our nation will be a minority. But this phenomenon of groups being “displaced” has happened repeatedly in our history, from the English majority becoming the English minority, to the WASP majority becoming the non-WASP majority. A world example would be the Picts, who were subsumed by the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, and Normans. Gee, I wonder what group formed from this amalgamation?

  146. @JimDandy
    I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than "Canadians"--Indians from India.

    Replies: @PSR, @Jack D, @guest007, @ATBOTL, @The Plutonium Kid, @Rapparee, @JohnnyWalker123

    Of the ten most imperious, self-important, and and unreasonably demanding people I’ve ever had the misfortune of dealing with in a workplace setting, at least eight of them were some kind of South Asian. This isn’t my universal experience of Indians, so I suspect it’s particularly pronounced in certain castes or jatis.

  147. @JimDandy
    I find it interesting that restaurant workers I know rank one group worse than "Canadians"--Indians from India.

    Replies: @PSR, @Jack D, @guest007, @ATBOTL, @The Plutonium Kid, @Rapparee, @JohnnyWalker123

    You might be interested in some data that I aggregated into a graph.

    A waiter runs a very popular blog. Back in 2009, he asked his posters to give their personal opinions on which group tips the worse. See here: https://www.waiterrant.net/2009/11/who-are-the-worst-tippers/

    I graphed the results of how many posts referenced various selected ethnic groups.

    View post on imgur.com

    As you can see above, Blacks were referenced in nearly 178 posts. They were the champions for poor tipping.

    The second worst was a three-way tie of Indians (101), Christians (103), and Anglo-Europeans (93).

    Asians were a bit behind at 79 responses. Hispanics were referenced in 67 responses.

    Jews were referenced a mere 16 times.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks, that's very interesting. I call bullshit on the "Christian" ranking, though. Christians? What does that mean? People who dine after church on Sundays? It's not an ethnicity. Sounds like a bunch of pc servers ignoring reality and using the survey to attack Christianity. Or was it a process of, "Hmmm... who can I call out here without being racist?"

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  148. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JimDandy

    You might be interested in some data that I aggregated into a graph.

    A waiter runs a very popular blog. Back in 2009, he asked his posters to give their personal opinions on which group tips the worse. See here: https://www.waiterrant.net/2009/11/who-are-the-worst-tippers/

    I graphed the results of how many posts referenced various selected ethnic groups.

    https://imgur.com/a/63BG4bI

    As you can see above, Blacks were referenced in nearly 178 posts. They were the champions for poor tipping.

    The second worst was a three-way tie of Indians (101), Christians (103), and Anglo-Europeans (93).

    Asians were a bit behind at 79 responses. Hispanics were referenced in 67 responses.

    Jews were referenced a mere 16 times.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Thanks, that’s very interesting. I call bullshit on the “Christian” ranking, though. Christians? What does that mean? People who dine after church on Sundays? It’s not an ethnicity. Sounds like a bunch of pc servers ignoring reality and using the survey to attack Christianity. Or was it a process of, “Hmmm… who can I call out here without being racist?”

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JimDandy

    A very large number of respondents claimed that their worst tippers were Christian groups who showed up to each for after-Church brunch. When I added Christians to the chart, I was referring to Church brunch groups. Not all Christians.

    Maybe I should redo that graph to make it clearer.

    Christians aren't an ethnicity, true. However, since I included Jews, I figured I would include Christians.

    Many of the respondents claimed the Church brunch groups came from Black churches. For those specific responses, I added them to the Black count (not the Christian count). For non-racial responses that referenced Christian brunch groups, I added them to the Christian count.

    The general view of the respondents was this.

    -Young people&fixed-income seniors tipped worse than the middle-aged.
    -Women tipped worse than men.
    -Foreigners tipped worse than Americans.
    -While the very poor tipped badly, Blue-collar diners often tipped as well as (or better than) White-collar diners.
    -Christian brunch groups were self-righteous and felt their holiness exempted them from tipping.
    -Gays tipped well. Lesbians weren't as generous.
    -Middle-aged White men (both Blue-Collar&White-Collar) were viewed as the best tippers.
    -Blacks were the worst tippers. They also were horrendous customers.
    -Foreign-raised Asians were often cheap, but American-raised Asians were cheap.
    -Hispanics could be cheap. South Americans&Brazilians in South Florida had a strong tendency to be unpleasant.
    -Anglo&Euro tourists were poor tippers. So were Eastern Euro migrants, who could be quite rude.
    -Indians were not only very bad tippers, but also very demanding and dismissive.
    -Jews didn't do as badly as you'd think.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  149. @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks, that's very interesting. I call bullshit on the "Christian" ranking, though. Christians? What does that mean? People who dine after church on Sundays? It's not an ethnicity. Sounds like a bunch of pc servers ignoring reality and using the survey to attack Christianity. Or was it a process of, "Hmmm... who can I call out here without being racist?"

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    A very large number of respondents claimed that their worst tippers were Christian groups who showed up to each for after-Church brunch. When I added Christians to the chart, I was referring to Church brunch groups. Not all Christians.

    Maybe I should redo that graph to make it clearer.

    Christians aren’t an ethnicity, true. However, since I included Jews, I figured I would include Christians.

    Many of the respondents claimed the Church brunch groups came from Black churches. For those specific responses, I added them to the Black count (not the Christian count). For non-racial responses that referenced Christian brunch groups, I added them to the Christian count.

    The general view of the respondents was this.

    -Young people&fixed-income seniors tipped worse than the middle-aged.
    -Women tipped worse than men.
    -Foreigners tipped worse than Americans.
    -While the very poor tipped badly, Blue-collar diners often tipped as well as (or better than) White-collar diners.
    -Christian brunch groups were self-righteous and felt their holiness exempted them from tipping.
    -Gays tipped well. Lesbians weren’t as generous.
    -Middle-aged White men (both Blue-Collar&White-Collar) were viewed as the best tippers.
    -Blacks were the worst tippers. They also were horrendous customers.
    -Foreign-raised Asians were often cheap, but American-raised Asians were cheap.
    -Hispanics could be cheap. South Americans&Brazilians in South Florida had a strong tendency to be unpleasant.
    -Anglo&Euro tourists were poor tippers. So were Eastern Euro migrants, who could be quite rude.
    -Indians were not only very bad tippers, but also very demanding and dismissive.
    -Jews didn’t do as badly as you’d think.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Haha, I mean, from a server's point of view, there's a tiny percentage of awesome tippers, and everyone else is put on a scale of how much they suck. Successful white businessmen with a few cocktails in them and a pretty waitress are the best tippers. Christian groups would be identified with smaller checks, because they don't order booze, and, yeah, they would be squares who take out a calculator to figure out what the outdated 15% is. Gays, being sensualists and creatures of nightlife are investing in attentive (and generous) service during future nights of fabulous carousing. I wonder how service industry people would honestly rate other service industry people.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  150. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JimDandy

    A very large number of respondents claimed that their worst tippers were Christian groups who showed up to each for after-Church brunch. When I added Christians to the chart, I was referring to Church brunch groups. Not all Christians.

    Maybe I should redo that graph to make it clearer.

    Christians aren't an ethnicity, true. However, since I included Jews, I figured I would include Christians.

    Many of the respondents claimed the Church brunch groups came from Black churches. For those specific responses, I added them to the Black count (not the Christian count). For non-racial responses that referenced Christian brunch groups, I added them to the Christian count.

    The general view of the respondents was this.

    -Young people&fixed-income seniors tipped worse than the middle-aged.
    -Women tipped worse than men.
    -Foreigners tipped worse than Americans.
    -While the very poor tipped badly, Blue-collar diners often tipped as well as (or better than) White-collar diners.
    -Christian brunch groups were self-righteous and felt their holiness exempted them from tipping.
    -Gays tipped well. Lesbians weren't as generous.
    -Middle-aged White men (both Blue-Collar&White-Collar) were viewed as the best tippers.
    -Blacks were the worst tippers. They also were horrendous customers.
    -Foreign-raised Asians were often cheap, but American-raised Asians were cheap.
    -Hispanics could be cheap. South Americans&Brazilians in South Florida had a strong tendency to be unpleasant.
    -Anglo&Euro tourists were poor tippers. So were Eastern Euro migrants, who could be quite rude.
    -Indians were not only very bad tippers, but also very demanding and dismissive.
    -Jews didn't do as badly as you'd think.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Haha, I mean, from a server’s point of view, there’s a tiny percentage of awesome tippers, and everyone else is put on a scale of how much they suck. Successful white businessmen with a few cocktails in them and a pretty waitress are the best tippers. Christian groups would be identified with smaller checks, because they don’t order booze, and, yeah, they would be squares who take out a calculator to figure out what the outdated 15% is. Gays, being sensualists and creatures of nightlife are investing in attentive (and generous) service during future nights of fabulous carousing. I wonder how service industry people would honestly rate other service industry people.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JimDandy


    Successful white businessmen with a few cocktails in them and a pretty waitress are the best tippers.
     
    White businessmen who are entertaining clients are BIG spenders. When the waitresses are young&attractive, the tips can be especially generous.

    Hard-drinking white sports fans can tip very well too.

    White blue-collar guys often carry a lot of cash and aren't hesitant to throw down $5-10 tips on $20 orders.

    Waitresses like middle-aged&older White men. Not just because they throw down good money, but because they don't complain or demand much.

    Blacks are the opposite. They make huge demands and lots of commotion. After Blacks, the second most unpopular ethnic group are Indians. I find it interesting that Asians and Hispanics (despite generally being viewed negatively) were graded better than Indians.

    The commenters weren't always clear whether they were talking about Black Christian brunch groups or White Christians. The South, in particular, has a HUGE number of the former.

    Gays, being sensualists and creatures of nightlife are investing in attentive (and generous) service during future nights of fabulous carousing.

     

    Yep. Also, Gay men like being popular. So they'll tip you a lot to make you like them. Especially if it's a "cute" male waiter.

    The basic problem with many customers isn't just that they don't always tip well, but that they demand too much. The amount of work that a waiter has to do is really over the top. When you factor all that in, being a waiter (which seems like easy money) is an undesirable profession.

    If you're a waiter at a high-end establishment, then it can be worth it sometimes. However, if you're working at Denny's or Olive Garden, you're better off finding another job.
  151. @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Haha, I mean, from a server's point of view, there's a tiny percentage of awesome tippers, and everyone else is put on a scale of how much they suck. Successful white businessmen with a few cocktails in them and a pretty waitress are the best tippers. Christian groups would be identified with smaller checks, because they don't order booze, and, yeah, they would be squares who take out a calculator to figure out what the outdated 15% is. Gays, being sensualists and creatures of nightlife are investing in attentive (and generous) service during future nights of fabulous carousing. I wonder how service industry people would honestly rate other service industry people.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Successful white businessmen with a few cocktails in them and a pretty waitress are the best tippers.

    White businessmen who are entertaining clients are BIG spenders. When the waitresses are young&attractive, the tips can be especially generous.

    Hard-drinking white sports fans can tip very well too.

    White blue-collar guys often carry a lot of cash and aren’t hesitant to throw down $5-10 tips on $20 orders.

    Waitresses like middle-aged&older White men. Not just because they throw down good money, but because they don’t complain or demand much.

    Blacks are the opposite. They make huge demands and lots of commotion. After Blacks, the second most unpopular ethnic group are Indians. I find it interesting that Asians and Hispanics (despite generally being viewed negatively) were graded better than Indians.

    The commenters weren’t always clear whether they were talking about Black Christian brunch groups or White Christians. The South, in particular, has a HUGE number of the former.

    Gays, being sensualists and creatures of nightlife are investing in attentive (and generous) service during future nights of fabulous carousing.

    Yep. Also, Gay men like being popular. So they’ll tip you a lot to make you like them. Especially if it’s a “cute” male waiter.

    The basic problem with many customers isn’t just that they don’t always tip well, but that they demand too much. The amount of work that a waiter has to do is really over the top. When you factor all that in, being a waiter (which seems like easy money) is an undesirable profession.

    If you’re a waiter at a high-end establishment, then it can be worth it sometimes. However, if you’re working at Denny’s or Olive Garden, you’re better off finding another job.

  152. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/QuasLacrimas/status/1184574977259069440?s=20

    Replies: @ben tillman

    That is your best comment ever.

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