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Swimming is a sport in which more girls than boys compete, so it’s pretty interesting for looking at the gender gap, which changes by age:

Sex differences in youth elite swimming
Jonathon W. Senefeld ,Andrew J. Clayburn,Sarah E. Baker,Rickey E. Carter,Patrick W. Johnson,Michael J. Joyner
Published: November 22, 2019

… We collected the all-time top 100 U.S. freestyle swimming performance times of boys and girls age 5 to 18 years for the 50m to 1500m events.

Results
Swimming performance improved with increasing age for boys and girls (p<0.001) until reaching a plateau, which initiated at a younger age for girls (15 years) than boys (17 years; sex×age; p<0.001).

Prior to age 10, the top 5 swimming records for girls were 3% faster than the top boys (p<0.001). For the 10th-50th places, however, there were no sex-related differences in swimming performance prior to age 10 (p = 0.227).

For both the top 5 and 10th-50th places, the sex difference in performance increased from age 10 (top 5, 2.5%; 10th-50th places, 1.0%) until age 17 (top 5, 7.6%; 10th-50th places, 8.0%). For all places, the sex difference in performance at age 18 was larger for sprint events (9.6%; 50-200m) than endurance events (7.1%; 400-1500m; p<0.001).

Men probably keep getting faster into their early 20s so the Olympic gender gap is a little bigger than the age 18 gap. At the 2016 Olympics, the gold medal woman took 10.8% longer to swim freestyle 100 meter than the gold medal man. That’s quite similar to the gender gap in running, that’s usually around 11%.

Additionally, the sex-related difference in performance increased across age and US ranking from 2.4% for 1st place to 4.3% for 100th place (p<0.001), indicating less depth of performance in girls than boys. However, annual participation was ~20% higher in girls than boys for all ages (p<0.001).

… Collectively, these data suggest girls are faster, or at least not slower, than boys prior to the performance-enhancing effects of puberty.

 
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  1. So testosterone makes you faster and stronger? How long before we hear that’s a Social Construct?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Also more impulsive and violent as we see among groups or " race populations " that have higher levels of testosterone than other large ancestry groups through early middle age.
    , @Screwtape
    Or, how long before the ‘performance enhancing’ effects of puberty must be reduced in boys becoming men and their daily Ritalin doses are blended with estrogen?

    The disparate impact of puberty must be addressed!

    Conveniently this will also prevent all future MtF trannies from crushing the field with the residual patriarchy of their ghost balls. We are so close to equality I can barely smell the chlorine.
  2. So, in other words, I take it the future is female elite swimmers will retire from competition at the age of 10, to sit in the stands and look on and cheer as the Rachel McKinnons win all the medals?

    OK, got it. I’m ready for 2020.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    OK, got it. I’m ready for 2020.
     
    In 2020, 20-20 will be a disability. Good eyes are bad at lying.


    https://media1.tenor.com/images/e179b55fc629facc7193e1389b78ddb6/tenor.gif?itemid=10375661
  3. “… Collectively, these data suggest girls are faster, or at least not slower, than boys prior to the performance-enhancing effects of puberty.”

    This sound ,ore like an opening to a campaign against puberty,if not for that women are faster.

    “Stop performance enhancing drugs now — and puberty too!”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Collectively, these data suggest girls are faster, or at least not slower, than boys prior to the performance-enhancing effects of puberty
     
    However, puberty will surely slow girls down as they sprout a pair of waterwings and wider hips that change the angle of the kick.

    Also as boys are usually bigger, they have larger hands and feet to paddle with and use as flippers or fins. Although boys develop larger penes and testicles at puberty, these are tightly held to the body by Speedos and have little braking effect, but if both ̶s̶e̶x̶e̶s̶ genders were made to swim nude, the gap might be slightly narrowed.

    What we need is for experiments to be conducted in which a trial group of male teenage swimmers are castrated and turned into girls, and another control group of girls are given mastectomies and testosterone injections to turn them into men. And they use unisex changing rooms.

    No, maybe not.
  4. “Collectively, these data suggest girls are faster, or at least not slower, than boys prior to the performance-enhancing effects of puberty. ”

    File this revelation under “Things humans knew for 1000’s of years already before we decided to unlearn it.”

    It’s a pretty big file.

  5. I’m quite surprised, as I had always thought that the male advantage in swimming was considerably less than in running.
    Separately, one odd thing about women’s sports in general is that girls in their mid and even early teens are often competitive with adult women. You hardly ever see than in men’s sports.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html

    Not sure what that distance is. Possibly something to do with fat distribution aiding flotation.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    " the male advantage in swimming was considerably less than in running"

    Isn't endurance swimming the only sport where women compete pretty evenly with men, maybe with a slight advantage at marathon lengths?

    https://www.active.com/swimming/articles/men-vs-women-in-endurance-sports

    Maybe it's something to do with being able to produce babies after 48 hours of labour, the one huge thing the girls can do but the boys never can.

    , @anon
    Separately, one odd thing about women’s sports in general is that girls in their mid and even early teens are often competitive with adult women.

    Not odd at all. Once a girl reaches early reproductive age, there's no biological need to add on much more muscle / bone, because as far as nature is concerned, she's ready to fulfill her role: bearing children.

    You hardly ever see than in men’s sports.

    Biologically, men are in competition with each other for decades.

    Women "are", men must "become". Nature is a real bitch.

  6. @prosa123
    I'm quite surprised, as I had always thought that the male advantage in swimming was considerably less than in running.
    Separately, one odd thing about women's sports in general is that girls in their mid and even early teens are often competitive with adult women. You hardly ever see than in men's sports.

    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html

    Not sure what that distance is. Possibly something to do with fat distribution aiding flotation.

    • Replies: @George Taylor

    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html
     
    Since that article was written in 2016, Sarah Thomas, female USA has set three (3) new all time ultra distance swimming records regardless of gender. There does seem to be something about female physiology when it comes to ultra endurance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Thomas_(marathon_swimmer)
    , @Don't Look at Me
    But who wants to swim an ultra distance? I'd rather do my 100 meters, collect my gold medal, and go home.
    , @Kyle
    But what is that distance? I think it has more to do with women having narrow shoulders and a stream lined body shape. Their energy expended per distance traveled is lower. I used to coach high school kids and I noticed that men fight through the water and women slip through the water. You only notice it when observing from an overhead view.
  7. On my granddaughter’s swim team, the boys in the 7-8 age group are faster than the girls. She was the fastest girl in that age group last summer but there were several boys that had faster times than her. And once they hit puberty, it will be even more of a difference. No way should any of those boys be allowed to pretend they are girls in order to swim against slower competition. XY is a boy and XX is a girl. Period.

  8. Thank you Jonathon W. Senefeld, Andrew J. Clayburn, Sarah E. Baker, Rickey E. Carter, Patrick W. Johnson and Michael J. Joyner for taking the time and effort needed to tell us all something that any non-retarded (aka non-woke) person could have explained to you in five minutes.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  9. Women are good at long distance swimming because of an abundance of body fat.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    I'm not sure that's quite it. I swim a lot and there is a woman at my pool who is a very good swimmer and really fast. Her body fat probably rivals that of Iman, the Somali-born former model and widow of David Bowie. We are talking broomstick-thin here.
  10. anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:

    long distance swimming, it is claimed, is female-friendly.
    I disagree in this sense –

    there are generally four parameters, extrinsic to learned skill and psychological determination, that determine the ability to triumph in elite sports

    One – level of the right hormones – generally testosterone, but there are others.
    Two – correct genes for the appropriate muscle-twitch or weight-bearing activity.
    Three – ability to draw on energy resources (stay hydrated, stay warm, etc., this factor depends on fat stores, heart health, ability of veins and arteries to keep brain and other organs oxygenated.

    (In long distance swimming, number three is disproportionately helpful to most women and to the men with the most fat an athlete can have and still be an athlete, we are told.
    However, “long distance swimming” is an “event” or a “competition”, usually, not a “sport” –
    and if, like the sports people care about – baseball, football, soccer, hockey, basketball, it was a series of competitions, and thus a true “Sport” women would fall behind men for the simple reason that …)

    Four – while men’s reproductive burden is more or less constant (and generally only a factor in soccer, where catching a ball in the groin can knock a player out of a game),
    women either have a couple days a month of menstrual-cycle vertigo or other
    performance -diminishing reproductive cycle maladies.

    As such women are at a competitive disadvantage, possibly as much as an overall 10 percent disadvantage, for that reason alone, in any sport that is not primarily based on single-event performance, but which requires repeated performance which usually will involve, for women, performing while menstruating.
    And those women who don’t menstruate due to bad diets or artificial hormone intake still are affected by the lunar cycle, at least until they are in their 40s and no longer at the top of their game.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    I've always wondered how a woman's cycle effects the month long women's World Cup? When everyone was speculating why Meghan Rapinoe missed the semifinal, I said, "Easy, she is on the raginoe". Was I right? Would it be sexist to ask? If so, why?
  11. @prosa123
    I'm quite surprised, as I had always thought that the male advantage in swimming was considerably less than in running.
    Separately, one odd thing about women's sports in general is that girls in their mid and even early teens are often competitive with adult women. You hardly ever see than in men's sports.

    ” the male advantage in swimming was considerably less than in running”

    Isn’t endurance swimming the only sport where women compete pretty evenly with men, maybe with a slight advantage at marathon lengths?

    https://www.active.com/swimming/articles/men-vs-women-in-endurance-sports

    Maybe it’s something to do with being able to produce babies after 48 hours of labour, the one huge thing the girls can do but the boys never can.

  12. @Redneck farmer
    So testosterone makes you faster and stronger? How long before we hear that's a Social Construct?

    Also more impulsive and violent as we see among groups or ” race populations ” that have higher levels of testosterone than other large ancestry groups through early middle age.

  13. Women in that sport look awfully unattractive, masculine… Not that I care, just saying.

  14. It’s ok, Steve.

    Next Summer Olympics, half the women’s field from around the world will be men>women. See how civilized I am now? I didn’t even say trannies..

    Oh, wait.

  15. @Redneck farmer
    So testosterone makes you faster and stronger? How long before we hear that's a Social Construct?

    Or, how long before the ‘performance enhancing’ effects of puberty must be reduced in boys becoming men and their daily Ritalin doses are blended with estrogen?

    The disparate impact of puberty must be addressed!

    Conveniently this will also prevent all future MtF trannies from crushing the field with the residual patriarchy of their ghost balls. We are so close to equality I can barely smell the chlorine.

  16. It’s almost as if a sport where girls get to wear a tight bathing suit that looks kinda hot to boys is something that appeals to them. Whereas, maybe average boys who don’t have Olympic swimmer bodies are more comfortable doing something traditionally masculine where they don’t look like gay guys in Speedo’s.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    It’s almost as if a sport where girls get to wear a tight bathing suit that looks kinda hot to boys is something that appeals to them. Whereas, maybe average boys who don’t have Olympic swimmer bodies are more comfortable doing something traditionally masculine where they don’t look like gay guys in Speedo’s.
     
    So the only boys who can wear a Speedo without looking "gay" are those who are blessed with "Olympic swimmer bodies"?

    And what about girls who are not blessed with an attractive figure? Should they be discouraged from taking-up swimming?
  17. If you’re an athletically-inclined white guy but you hate team sports, joining your high school and/or university swim team is not a bad idea. There are very few persons of color involved and usually more than half the participants are fit females wearing practically nothing. On top of that, it’s relatively easy to make team so long as you know how to perform a dive.

  18. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    I'm quite surprised, as I had always thought that the male advantage in swimming was considerably less than in running.
    Separately, one odd thing about women's sports in general is that girls in their mid and even early teens are often competitive with adult women. You hardly ever see than in men's sports.

    Separately, one odd thing about women’s sports in general is that girls in their mid and even early teens are often competitive with adult women.

    Not odd at all. Once a girl reaches early reproductive age, there’s no biological need to add on much more muscle / bone, because as far as nature is concerned, she’s ready to fulfill her role: bearing children.

    You hardly ever see than in men’s sports.

    Biologically, men are in competition with each other for decades.

    Women “are”, men must “become”. Nature is a real bitch.

  19. For those here who simply can’t stand the lying fake news “American” (yeah right) mass media. I highly recommend the English language version of Russia Today.

    Russia today covers American and British news/politics in an objective way, with more sensible, populist nationalist perspective and brutally satorizes various idiots, Lib Leftists and sexual degenerates that would have born male, transgender creatures competing in women’s sports.

    Russia today also has taken a very successful Rupert Murdoch Sun Newspaper approach by featuring nationalist sports and sexy women and a combination of both to increase readership.

    Russia Today has lots of features about Russian swimmers and Russian ice skaters posing in bikinis and showing off their ahem …

    Assets

    🙂

    Works for me.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Russia Today has lots of features about Russian swimmers and Russian ice skaters posing in bikinis and showing off their ahem …

    Assets

    🙂

    Works for me.
     
    1) www.youtube.com

    2) Search for "spoops"

    3) Enjoy!
  20. We were watching “American Ninja Warrior Junior” the other day (note for the uninformed: ANW is basically a televised obstacle course competition) when I saw a very istevey illustration.

    ANWJ has three brackets for different age ranges: 9-10, 11-12, and 13-14. Notably, girls and boys compete head to head. In the show I saw, in the lower age ranges girls competed quite well against the boys, winning as often as losing. But then we got to the last (oldest) group, and it was night and day. The boys were just so far ahead that the girls only managed to eek out a few wins if the boy they were matched with pulled a boneheaded manauver and DQed himself.

    It’s amazing what happens in that one year between 13 and 14..
    .

  21. Collectively, these data suggest girls are faster, or at least not slower, than boys prior to the performance-enhancing effects of puberty.

    Clearly, in the interests of equality, we need puberty blockers for boys.

  22. This makes me laugh, honestly.

    I vividly remember, in fifth grade (about age 11?), sitting next to my best friend, a boy with whom I was on a competitive swimming team; looking down at his legs and seeing hair!

    I was horrified.

    I mean, jeez, he was my buddy. My friend. I had been able to beat him at every sport until the past few months. We even shared a pet snake which we hid from our skittish mothers — true intimacy!

    Inside, though, I feared. I remember thinking his face looked the same. Still, I started crying (such a girly response, no?) My buddy looked at me with utter disgust and asked what was wrong. I couldn’t tell him as I really didn’t know, but I was sure … intuited … that life was going to be different from that point out.

    Never beat him again.

  23. Let’s see.

    In swimming — a sport that requires a full body exertion, power, and high fitness levels — pre-pubescent girls and boys are more or less the same, but once the boys post-puberty get taller with more muscles, less body fat, and oveall testosterone poisoning, the boys do better than similar age girls.

    Who knew??

  24. Swimming performance improved with increasing age for boys and girls (p<0.001) until reaching a plateau, which initiated at a younger age for girls (15 years) than boys (17 years; sex×age; p<0.001).

    Well, duh…

    This is about the time girls themselves go from featuring a plateau to a mountain range. It’s aerodynamics hydraulics at work.

    indicating less depth of performance

    Is depth the best and to use when talking about swimming? Other than synchronized?

    We know a family on the West Coast whose teenage daughter is a competitive swimmer. She’s just announced that she’s “non-binary”. That’s problematic, they say, because swimming is a very binary world. Gender fluidity vs fluid dynamics.

  25. @Ano
    So, in other words, I take it the future is female elite swimmers will retire from competition at the age of 10, to sit in the stands and look on and cheer as the Rachel McKinnons win all the medals?

    OK, got it. I'm ready for 2020.

    OK, got it. I’m ready for 2020.

    In 2020, 20-20 will be a disability. Good eyes are bad at lying.

  26. @anonynous
    For those here who simply can't stand the lying fake news "American" (yeah right) mass media. I highly recommend the English language version of Russia Today.

    Russia today covers American and British news/politics in an objective way, with more sensible, populist nationalist perspective and brutally satorizes various idiots, Lib Leftists and sexual degenerates that would have born male, transgender creatures competing in women's sports.

    Russia today also has taken a very successful Rupert Murdoch Sun Newspaper approach by featuring nationalist sports and sexy women and a combination of both to increase readership.

    Russia Today has lots of features about Russian swimmers and Russian ice skaters posing in bikinis and showing off their ahem ...

    Assets

    :-)

    Works for me.

    Russia Today has lots of features about Russian swimmers and Russian ice skaters posing in bikinis and showing off their ahem …

    Assets

    🙂

    Works for me.

    1) http://www.youtube.com

    2) Search for “spoops”

    3) Enjoy!

  27. @anonymous
    long distance swimming, it is claimed, is female-friendly.
    I disagree in this sense -


    there are generally four parameters, extrinsic to learned skill and psychological determination, that determine the ability to triumph in elite sports

    One - level of the right hormones - generally testosterone, but there are others.
    Two - correct genes for the appropriate muscle-twitch or weight-bearing activity.
    Three - ability to draw on energy resources (stay hydrated, stay warm, etc., this factor depends on fat stores, heart health, ability of veins and arteries to keep brain and other organs oxygenated.

    (In long distance swimming, number three is disproportionately helpful to most women and to the men with the most fat an athlete can have and still be an athlete, we are told.
    However, "long distance swimming" is an "event" or a "competition", usually, not a "sport" -
    and if, like the sports people care about - baseball, football, soccer, hockey, basketball, it was a series of competitions, and thus a true "Sport" women would fall behind men for the simple reason that ...)

    Four - while men's reproductive burden is more or less constant (and generally only a factor in soccer, where catching a ball in the groin can knock a player out of a game),
    women either have a couple days a month of menstrual-cycle vertigo or other
    performance -diminishing reproductive cycle maladies.

    As such women are at a competitive disadvantage, possibly as much as an overall 10 percent disadvantage, for that reason alone, in any sport that is not primarily based on single-event performance, but which requires repeated performance which usually will involve, for women, performing while menstruating.
    And those women who don't menstruate due to bad diets or artificial hormone intake still are affected by the lunar cycle, at least until they are in their 40s and no longer at the top of their game.

    I’ve always wondered how a woman’s cycle effects the month long women’s World Cup? When everyone was speculating why Meghan Rapinoe missed the semifinal, I said, “Easy, she is on the raginoe”. Was I right? Would it be sexist to ask? If so, why?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    I can't answer that for the following reason.
    After Chesterton, an English writer, began to read "Little Women", he decided, after the first couple of chapters, to stop reading, and in one of his newspaper columns he explained why, saying -
    I felt as if I were an intruder in their world, and hence I decided to withdraw.

    I have spent more time with good-looking sporty women than almost any male on the earth, but I have never intruded so far into their world as to be able to properly answer the question you asked.

    and since I am in a good mood tonight, I am going to put onto the internet for maybe the first (or second, my memory is not what it was) a comment a friend of mine made years ago when we were at the Academy .... he told me he saw a guy at the gym reading Cosmo while circling away on his exercise bike (Cosmopolitan magazine, that is, aimed at young women interested in being real attractive to working class and upper class guys) and he asked the guy what he thought he was doing reading Cosmo in public, and the guy said, well I am trying to understand women, and my friend replied that if any magazine would help him understand women it would be Playboy.

    I am not a fan of poor Hugh Hefner and I don't recommend reading Playboy (although Cigar Aficionado and magazines like that are ok, I guess) but the point is, a lot of us know a lot more than you would think and we learned it in natural ways.
    , @Yngvar
  28. @TelfoedJohn
    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html

    Not sure what that distance is. Possibly something to do with fat distribution aiding flotation.

    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html

    Since that article was written in 2016, Sarah Thomas, female USA has set three (3) new all time ultra distance swimming records regardless of gender. There does seem to be something about female physiology when it comes to ultra endurance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Thomas_(marathon_swimmer)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right, and women have accomplished some of the amazing firsts ocean swimming, such as swimming the 53 mile wide Bering Strait.
  29. @George Taylor

    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html
     
    Since that article was written in 2016, Sarah Thomas, female USA has set three (3) new all time ultra distance swimming records regardless of gender. There does seem to be something about female physiology when it comes to ultra endurance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Thomas_(marathon_swimmer)

    Right, and women have accomplished some of the amazing firsts ocean swimming, such as swimming the 53 mile wide Bering Strait.

  30. The male/female differential would be a good deal wider if not for one person, Katie Ledecky.

  31. anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dtbb
    I've always wondered how a woman's cycle effects the month long women's World Cup? When everyone was speculating why Meghan Rapinoe missed the semifinal, I said, "Easy, she is on the raginoe". Was I right? Would it be sexist to ask? If so, why?

    I can’t answer that for the following reason.
    After Chesterton, an English writer, began to read “Little Women”, he decided, after the first couple of chapters, to stop reading, and in one of his newspaper columns he explained why, saying –
    I felt as if I were an intruder in their world, and hence I decided to withdraw.

    I have spent more time with good-looking sporty women than almost any male on the earth, but I have never intruded so far into their world as to be able to properly answer the question you asked.

    and since I am in a good mood tonight, I am going to put onto the internet for maybe the first (or second, my memory is not what it was) a comment a friend of mine made years ago when we were at the Academy …. he told me he saw a guy at the gym reading Cosmo while circling away on his exercise bike (Cosmopolitan magazine, that is, aimed at young women interested in being real attractive to working class and upper class guys) and he asked the guy what he thought he was doing reading Cosmo in public, and the guy said, well I am trying to understand women, and my friend replied that if any magazine would help him understand women it would be Playboy.

    I am not a fan of poor Hugh Hefner and I don’t recommend reading Playboy (although Cigar Aficionado and magazines like that are ok, I guess) but the point is, a lot of us know a lot more than you would think and we learned it in natural ways.

    • Replies: @anon
    Dtbb
    I’ve always wondered how a woman’s cycle effects the month long women’s World Cup?

    Quite possibly it doesn't. "Better living through chemistry" is pretty common, especially in college.

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/skipping-your-period-with-the-pill-906926

    I can’t answer that for the following reason.
    After Chesterton, an English writer, began to read “Little Women”, he decided, after the first couple of chapters, to stop reading, and in one of his newspaper columns he explained why, saying –
    I felt as if I were an intruder in their world, and hence I decided to withdraw.


    Lol @ prissy Victorian Chesterton. That mindset is still polluting men today, much to everyone's detriment.

    I have spent more time with good-looking sporty women than almost any male on the earth, but I have never intruded so far into their world as to be able to properly answer the question you asked.

    You were the gay friend, then. Because if you were more than that, you would have heard all sorts of things.

    smh @ Boomer pedestalization of women.
  32. @TelfoedJohn
    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html

    Not sure what that distance is. Possibly something to do with fat distribution aiding flotation.

    But who wants to swim an ultra distance? I’d rather do my 100 meters, collect my gold medal, and go home.

  33. anon[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    I can't answer that for the following reason.
    After Chesterton, an English writer, began to read "Little Women", he decided, after the first couple of chapters, to stop reading, and in one of his newspaper columns he explained why, saying -
    I felt as if I were an intruder in their world, and hence I decided to withdraw.

    I have spent more time with good-looking sporty women than almost any male on the earth, but I have never intruded so far into their world as to be able to properly answer the question you asked.

    and since I am in a good mood tonight, I am going to put onto the internet for maybe the first (or second, my memory is not what it was) a comment a friend of mine made years ago when we were at the Academy .... he told me he saw a guy at the gym reading Cosmo while circling away on his exercise bike (Cosmopolitan magazine, that is, aimed at young women interested in being real attractive to working class and upper class guys) and he asked the guy what he thought he was doing reading Cosmo in public, and the guy said, well I am trying to understand women, and my friend replied that if any magazine would help him understand women it would be Playboy.

    I am not a fan of poor Hugh Hefner and I don't recommend reading Playboy (although Cigar Aficionado and magazines like that are ok, I guess) but the point is, a lot of us know a lot more than you would think and we learned it in natural ways.

    Dtbb
    I’ve always wondered how a woman’s cycle effects the month long women’s World Cup?

    Quite possibly it doesn’t. “Better living through chemistry” is pretty common, especially in college.

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/skipping-your-period-with-the-pill-906926

    I can’t answer that for the following reason.
    After Chesterton, an English writer, began to read “Little Women”, he decided, after the first couple of chapters, to stop reading, and in one of his newspaper columns he explained why, saying –
    I felt as if I were an intruder in their world, and hence I decided to withdraw.

    Lol @ prissy Victorian Chesterton. That mindset is still polluting men today, much to everyone’s detriment.

    I have spent more time with good-looking sporty women than almost any male on the earth, but I have never intruded so far into their world as to be able to properly answer the question you asked.

    You were the gay friend, then. Because if you were more than that, you would have heard all sorts of things.

    smh @ Boomer pedestalization of women.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    anon at 328 .... You are wrong, you sad little person.

    (a) I have had more access to quality pussy than every President in my lifetime except for Kennedy and Trump. Been threatened a few times, by people who were envious of that access, but I don't care.

    (b) you are wrong, you sad little person, and stupid, and you have no idea how this world works. If you knew how this world works you would not have tried to insult me. What I said was sufficient to let you know that.

    Stop reading websites run by middle aged guys who think they are the bomb because their wives are not yet fat and gray-haired, and start thinking for yourself ---- trust me, you do not have to remain a snickering little gamma all your life.

  34. @Realist
    Women are good at long distance swimming because of an abundance of body fat.

    I’m not sure that’s quite it. I swim a lot and there is a woman at my pool who is a very good swimmer and really fast. Her body fat probably rivals that of Iman, the Somali-born former model and widow of David Bowie. We are talking broomstick-thin here.

    • Replies: @Realist

    I’m not sure that’s quite it.
     
    For long distance swimming ...that's it.

    https://explorersweb.com/2019/07/05/why-women-excel-at-marathon-swimming/

    Here is an excerpt: Women also have a higher fat percentage of body fat than men, and are better at burning fat over long distances. Men, on the other hand, deplete their carbohydrate stores more quickly.

    Knechtle observed that on average female ultra-distance swimmers had about 31 percent body fat, while men had about 20 percent. This higher percentage may improve buoyancy, he points out. More importantly, fat adds vital insulation in cold water, since unlike triathlons, marathon swimming does not allow wetsuits.
  35. Interesting that the cited paper uses the proper term sex, while Mr. Sailer uses gender, a Cult-Marx term that properly refers-to a linguistic construct. Perhaps our host does this ironically?

    I will also note my contention that if gay is to be used at all in the contemporary sense to refer-to what is a pernicious ideology that sacralizes degeneracy, the co-opted word should at least be capitalized.

    Choice of language is consequential. To use the propagandized language of the enemy is to sanction and legitimize the concepts and positions embodied within that language.

    (It should go without saying that terms such as racism and White Supremacy should not be used unironically.)

  36. @Crank
    It’s almost as if a sport where girls get to wear a tight bathing suit that looks kinda hot to boys is something that appeals to them. Whereas, maybe average boys who don’t have Olympic swimmer bodies are more comfortable doing something traditionally masculine where they don’t look like gay guys in Speedo’s.

    It’s almost as if a sport where girls get to wear a tight bathing suit that looks kinda hot to boys is something that appeals to them. Whereas, maybe average boys who don’t have Olympic swimmer bodies are more comfortable doing something traditionally masculine where they don’t look like gay guys in Speedo’s.

    So the only boys who can wear a Speedo without looking “gay” are those who are blessed with “Olympic swimmer bodies”?

    And what about girls who are not blessed with an attractive figure? Should they be discouraged from taking-up swimming?

  37. @Buck Ransom
    I'm not sure that's quite it. I swim a lot and there is a woman at my pool who is a very good swimmer and really fast. Her body fat probably rivals that of Iman, the Somali-born former model and widow of David Bowie. We are talking broomstick-thin here.

    I’m not sure that’s quite it.

    For long distance swimming …that’s it.

    https://explorersweb.com/2019/07/05/why-women-excel-at-marathon-swimming/

    Here is an excerpt: Women also have a higher fat percentage of body fat than men, and are better at burning fat over long distances. Men, on the other hand, deplete their carbohydrate stores more quickly.

    Knechtle observed that on average female ultra-distance swimmers had about 31 percent body fat, while men had about 20 percent. This higher percentage may improve buoyancy, he points out. More importantly, fat adds vital insulation in cold water, since unlike triathlons, marathon swimming does not allow wetsuits.

  38. @TelfoedJohn
    Over a certain distance, women are better than men at swimming: https://www.thecut.com/2016/09/the-obscure-endurance-sport-women-are-quietly-dominating.html

    Not sure what that distance is. Possibly something to do with fat distribution aiding flotation.

    But what is that distance? I think it has more to do with women having narrow shoulders and a stream lined body shape. Their energy expended per distance traveled is lower. I used to coach high school kids and I noticed that men fight through the water and women slip through the water. You only notice it when observing from an overhead view.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    The Tampa Bay and Manhattan Island long distance swims are similar in length, but women beat men only in Manhattan, which is obviously colder, and a bit of blubber helps: https://www.active.com/swimming/articles/men-vs-women-in-endurance-sports?page=2

    The long-distance female swimmers are very chunky, though I don’t doubt there is plenty of muscle and lung power underneath.
  39. @Kyle
    But what is that distance? I think it has more to do with women having narrow shoulders and a stream lined body shape. Their energy expended per distance traveled is lower. I used to coach high school kids and I noticed that men fight through the water and women slip through the water. You only notice it when observing from an overhead view.

    The Tampa Bay and Manhattan Island long distance swims are similar in length, but women beat men only in Manhattan, which is obviously colder, and a bit of blubber helps: https://www.active.com/swimming/articles/men-vs-women-in-endurance-sports?page=2

    The long-distance female swimmers are very chunky, though I don’t doubt there is plenty of muscle and lung power underneath.

  40. Can we talk about hair? Female swimmers are expected to meet expectations of the patriarchy, so they often have long hair and due to chlorine, they have to spend more time taking care of it so that it will be smooth, soft, and untarnished by pool chemicals. Having more hair adds more frontal area and drag on the female swimmer, which slows her down. Necessary-for- conformity-to-patriarchical expectations hair care takes more time away from training, which also slows down female swimmers. All this is not to mention the intersectional burden on African-descent women as their natural afro does not fit easily under a swim cap, thus adding further dissuasion for women of color to enter the white-supremacy patriarchy of the pool.

  41. @Dtbb
    I've always wondered how a woman's cycle effects the month long women's World Cup? When everyone was speculating why Meghan Rapinoe missed the semifinal, I said, "Easy, she is on the raginoe". Was I right? Would it be sexist to ask? If so, why?
    • Replies: @Dtbb
    Thanks.
  42. anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Dtbb
    I’ve always wondered how a woman’s cycle effects the month long women’s World Cup?

    Quite possibly it doesn't. "Better living through chemistry" is pretty common, especially in college.

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/skipping-your-period-with-the-pill-906926

    I can’t answer that for the following reason.
    After Chesterton, an English writer, began to read “Little Women”, he decided, after the first couple of chapters, to stop reading, and in one of his newspaper columns he explained why, saying –
    I felt as if I were an intruder in their world, and hence I decided to withdraw.


    Lol @ prissy Victorian Chesterton. That mindset is still polluting men today, much to everyone's detriment.

    I have spent more time with good-looking sporty women than almost any male on the earth, but I have never intruded so far into their world as to be able to properly answer the question you asked.

    You were the gay friend, then. Because if you were more than that, you would have heard all sorts of things.

    smh @ Boomer pedestalization of women.

    anon at 328 …. You are wrong, you sad little person.

    (a) I have had more access to quality pussy than every President in my lifetime except for Kennedy and Trump. Been threatened a few times, by people who were envious of that access, but I don’t care.

    (b) you are wrong, you sad little person, and stupid, and you have no idea how this world works. If you knew how this world works you would not have tried to insult me. What I said was sufficient to let you know that.

    Stop reading websites run by middle aged guys who think they are the bomb because their wives are not yet fat and gray-haired, and start thinking for yourself —- trust me, you do not have to remain a snickering little gamma all your life.

  43. (a) I have had more access to quality pussy than every President in my lifetime except for Kennedy and Trump.

    This isn’t a high school locker room…

    you do not have to remain a snickering little gamma all your life.

    …or the echo chamber for Vox Day’s personality cult sycophants that is the comment threads on his blog, from what I’ve seen of them.

  44. @EliteCommInc.
    "… Collectively, these data suggest girls are faster, or at least not slower, than boys prior to the performance-enhancing effects of puberty."


    This sound ,ore like an opening to a campaign against puberty,if not for that women are faster.




    "Stop performance enhancing drugs now -- and puberty too!"

    Collectively, these data suggest girls are faster, or at least not slower, than boys prior to the performance-enhancing effects of puberty

    However, puberty will surely slow girls down as they sprout a pair of waterwings and wider hips that change the angle of the kick.

    Also as boys are usually bigger, they have larger hands and feet to paddle with and use as flippers or fins. Although boys develop larger penes and testicles at puberty, these are tightly held to the body by Speedos and have little braking effect, but if both ̶s̶e̶x̶e̶s̶ genders were made to swim nude, the gap might be slightly narrowed.

    What we need is for experiments to be conducted in which a trial group of male teenage swimmers are castrated and turned into girls, and another control group of girls are given mastectomies and testosterone injections to turn them into men. And they use unisex changing rooms.

    No, maybe not.

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