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iSteve commenter Lot looks ahead:

2019:

“The panel recommended that the city replace gifted and screened schools with new magnet schools”

2024:

How Language Immersion Helps the Brain

The creation of a large number of specialized magnet schools in New York City has resulted in a surprising result: the children going to language immersion specialized schools get not just the best scores in that language, but every other subject. Interviews showed parents were also highly enthusiastic. Upper West Side corporate lawyer turned stay-at-home mom Olivia Cohen-Clarke recalled that “My boys Hunter and Kamron were always having trouble at the regular school they were bussed to in the Bronx. Since they enrolled at the Slovak Language Magnet School, I have really noticed positive changes. We’ve never actually met a Slovian before, but they’ll have such an advantage if they do. And something about the students whose parents sign up for intensive-Slovak immersion… well I can’t say what exactly but we love it.”

Not all language immersion programs are created equal however. The data shows intensive Hebrew is the best language overall, while Korean and Mandarin immersion schools lead to the highest math scores. Reviewing the data, Nobel Prize winner Raj Chetty recommends Hebrew be made mandatory in the worst performing urban schools across the United States. “The data on the Hebrew immersion schools we have is remarkable, and making Hebrew mandatory in West Philadelphia and Anacostia will certainly lead to impressive gains.”

2044:

Mayor Dante de Blasio announced at today’s press conference: “Hey, wait a minute! I just figured out something about the profusion of Slovak Language Magnet Schools on the Upper West Side and in Park Slope. They’re a scam for high IQ hapa Asian-whites to avoid regular Afro-Latinx public schools! Why didn’t my late dad ever tell me? Okay, Slovak immersion schools are officially banned tomorrow. That is the last time smart parents will ever put one over on the de Blasio family.”

 
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  1. New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates “The World’s Most Important Graph”.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Until about 2020, the graph was of cities that were centers of trade/culture/technology.

    After 2020, not so much; they look to be human feedlots.
    , @NickG
    Informative, fascinating, hypnotising and terrifying.

    Thanks!
    , @Richard B
    "2044:

    Mayor Dante de Blasio announced at today’s press conference..."

    Right. Like there's going to be a NYC in 2044.

    But seriously folks.

    NYC 2044.

    Who even wants to imagine it?

    Too depressing.

    It's already a ghost of its former self.

    , @Simply Simon
    Wow! Incredible graphics. Mucho gratias.
    , @AnotherDad
    Hail Cæsar! Fun link. Thanks man.
    , @Prester John
    This seems to be the future but "nature always finds a way"--in this case to curb excess population growth. Stay tuned.
    , @anon
    The African-immersion program.
    , @Tired of Not Winning
    The future brought to you by Bill Gates. This is the result of his 25 years of philanthropy in Africa and South Asia, saving all those babies with his vaccines, vitamins, free food.

    Thanks Bill. Now why don't you pack up the wife and kids and go join your people in Kinshasa.

  2. It’s like those old school film villains that plan to unleash a deadly virus on the world. But they possess the only vaccine/cure in case of accidental self-infection. But are white liberals smart enough to create the cure before releasing the virus most of the time?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    In the time of the Cheney Regency I was working on a conspiracy theory wherein Donald Rumsfeld and his friend Dick unleash a world-threatening virus that would be stopped by a vaccine produced by Gilead Sciences Inc., one of Rumsfeld's companies. The world is saved and Dick and Don make bank. Win-win!
    , @fish

    But are white liberals smart enough to create the cure before releasing the virus most of the time?
     
    Hmmm………Magic 8-Ball says no!
    , @Richard B
    The easiest and most effective way of unleashing a deadly virus would be to make rigorous thinking, consistent reasoning, and cautious judgment mandatory across all subjects; as well as making virtue signaling punishable by death.
  3. Dante became mayor? I would of thought he’d be taken down by Me Too?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  4. Things like that happen regularly.

    In Basel, Switzerland, in the past, the separation of pupils happened quite early, at the age of 11. Those with better grades went to grammar school (Gymnasium) and so did not have to attend school together with lower-middle class pupils any more. Choosing Latin as the first foreign language furthermore made sure that someone was in a class with a large percentage of upper-class and upper-middle-class pupils.

    In the meantime, there have been many school reforms. In principle, pupils with lower and higher grades are together much longer, and Latin cannot be chosen as the first foreign language any more (as far as I know, it is now just an optional subject and does not influence with whom someone is in class).

    However, there were special classes with more music lessons than normal, and they were mostly chosen by upper-middle-class families, there were many fewer migrant children in these classes, and they had average grade – like classes with Latin as the first foreign language in earlier times. Then, there were discussions whether these music classes should be kept because they and the segregation achieved by them went against the principles of the school reforms.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Interesting about what language to choose.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    The city is still half German, so in HS a lot of kids take German. A lot of the Asians take Chinese.

    Spanish classes are actually harder, since lots of native speakers.
    , @Ron B Liebermann
    Paleo,

    Believe me, the government will never "reform" the school system. It can't, and there are several reasons. First of all, there is no way to defeat the Teacher's Union. Bad teachers keep thier jobs forever. Second, the school system is a political organization; it's an organ of the state. The job of "public schools" is to teach children not to think. Only follow orders. Most kids have no choice in the classes which they will attend. And if they do get a choice, it excludes any discussion of civics, taxes, unions, or morality. Schools carefully steer the kids away from any subject which might impact the ability of the government to rule by fiat. That's why they promote "STEM." Science classes are completely apolitical, so the kids won't ask any embarrassing questions. Third, "reform" would imply opening the books, and allowing the public to see the salaries of the bloated bureaucracy. But if they open those books, they might have to open other books too. Can't have that! So there is only one reform possible: Close the public schools. And then close all the other boondoggle government agencies. We don't need HUD. They decide who should get a free apartment. We don't need a department of Veteran's affairs. Veteran's are just regular people; they don't qualify for special treatment. We don't need a V.A. hospital system either, regular hospitals are fine. We don't need a department of Health and Human Services: America provides medical care through Insurance, through State Programs, and through free clinics. We don't need a department of Justice, either: we already have a court system, with Federal Prosecutors. We don't need a department of Transportation. It's just bunch of Union thugs who bid-up the price of road contracts; while Ling Ling watches. And let's be honest: our crappy cars are getting more and more expensive. In fact, you can buy a new car in India for $2,500 dollars. And finally, we don't need a department of Agriculture. It's not the job of the American tax-payer to guarantee farmers a profit. Good farmers make plenty of money.
    , @Cloudbuster
    I went to a heavily Jewish high school. I took German. Hmm. I wonder if I was subconsciously telling myself something way back then.
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    In Ontario, the differences between people who took French immersion and regular stream don't seem to be that noticeable. From my school days, and from what I see now, with my nephew/niece.
  5. Commenter Lot needs to get a haircut and a real job.
    Either that or ask Tel-Aviv to up his Shekel to comment payment ratio.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Rubbish and ignorance, Lot is on the short list for best commenter (or is the representative Zionist among the best commenters). Jack D self-destructs with his doggedness, Lot has the same fixations but isn't as strident. Lot has offered several comments, which will never be acted upon by the idiots who rule us, but which totally work as policy prescriprions and as popular campaign platforms. There are many good comments but not many have been so practical.
  6. Anon[233] • Disclaimer says:

    Baroque harpsichord immersion schools.

    Square dance immersion schools.

    Schools that require uniforms that include trousers that belt at the true waist.

    Whatever happened to Latin high schools? They can read the part in the Gallic Wars about how Caesar enslaved entire cities and sold them to slave merchants.

    Nutritionally balanced gourmet vegan meals for those on the National School Lunch Program.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Shape Note Singing Magnet Schools
    , @Kronos
    It’s interesting these schools existed for a time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finishing_school
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Could you get away with a degree of voluntary segregation by having "Black Culture," "Hispanic Culture," and "Western Civilization" themed magnet schools?
    , @Lot
    In middle school we had a week of gym class devoted to square dancing, with an optional after school dance at the end of the week.

    It was even more fun than it looks.
    , @Olorin
    I have experience with assembling specific training schools for connecting specific student aptitudes with specific lines of work ill represented by the Ed Biz.

    My newest idea is a school that focuses on fruit and vegetable gardening.

    The curriculum is taught entirely in English, Latin, and Swedish so that the kindern can read their textbooks: Pehr Kalm and John Bartram, with excursions into Linnaeus, Cato the Elder, Columella, Cicero, and Varro. Also old Rob Rodale.

  7. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    Until about 2020, the graph was of cities that were centers of trade/culture/technology.

    After 2020, not so much; they look to be human feedlots.

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
    People generally breed slower in cities, both in the first and the third world. This is what progress looks like.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "... they look to be human feedlots."

    Or holding pens for black and brown bodies. Either term previsions industrialized cannibalism. What Chuck Heston called soylent green; what Hillary Clinton calls brunch.

    , @Anonymousse
    I think we should all understand... that projected future will never happen. 70 million people in Lagos? Mass slaughter and/or super ebola and/or camp of the saints ultra migration will happen first.

    History hasn’t been repealed...

    Those projections just show the immense scale of the human suffering that’s coming in the fecal concavities.
  8. Where we live now, there is a new set of Chinese-immersion schools. They teach everything in Chinese in the mornings, I think, and then math and science in English in the afternoons. Some of the kids are Chinese, who really never did learn Chinese yet, and other Chinese kids are in there for the easy grades. There are plenty of white and black children too.

    For the kids’ brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth. We’d better keep fairly mum on that one, because, once the Commie totalitarians get wind of that, it’ll be an excuse to break up the nuclear family even earlier. There’s already this push for “pre-K”. You’ve got 4 years to be the ones to teach them right.

    BTW, at the Catholic school, most of the kids opted for Spanish, as it’s way easier than Chinese. That means the parents aren’t deciding this, so Lot’s idea is not being utilized, but I get the point – you need another loophole to avoid saying “no, our kids won’t be hanging around those kids, one way or another.”

    I’m not sure there will be much left of real America by 2024 anyway, and I never did care about what happened to New Yorkers.

    • Replies: @Woodsie
    per your example, "at the Catholic school": the parents made the choice when they chose the religious institution over the public.
    , @Barnard
    How will the run at controlling private schools be approached? Many of them are already run by diversity worshipers, but those that aren't have to know they will be threatened some time soon. These zealots aren't going to stop on their own. It will be an interesting conflict to watch.
    , @Anonymous

    For the kids’ brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth.
     
    Citation needed.
    , @Anon
    In Los Angeles you can sometimes get out of a speeding ticket by taking a few-hour class in traffic safety. Originally off duty cops would lead classes that concentrated on showing gruesome accident videos. Then an entrepreneur got the idea to organize classes led by struggling comedians, which were more entertaining.

    Since I was studying Japanese I went in another direction and signed up to take the class in Japanese. It turned out that the teacher was Chinese, who could speak a little Japanese, and the class was supposed to be bilingual. All the other students were Chinese. To his credit the teacher every once in a while said something to me in Japanese, but most of the time I had no clue what was being talked about.

    Nevertheless, it was enough to keep my driving record clean.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    I met a missionary to China about 10, or maybe 15 years ago, and he had been "in the field" for a little more than a decade at that time. He had some converts to Christianity that he had shepherded. I asked him how he learned Chinese well enough to explain Christianity to the natives so that they could accept Christ. He said that for six years he spent every morning with a Chinese tutor, spent every afternoon walking around the village and trying to talk to anyone who would listen, and spent every evening memorizing ideograms. After six years he could discuss about half of what he would read on the front page of the newspaper all the villagers read.

    Even if the Democrats have their way and run us into the ground, it is difficult to see how Chinese will become the universal "Lingua Franca" under the gentle hand of the Chinese Communist Dictatorship.
  9. Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?

    My area had an influx of Mennonite/Amish around 20 years ago, sects that only educate their kids through the eighth grade. They seem healthier and happier than the locals — by a ways. Four years of high school apparently is actively damaging kids.

    But competitive parents need a battleground, so let’s make math and literature part of a club sport network akin to soccer and hockey, where parents and their minions can do battle with conjunctives; and convergent series; for slots in the pro leagues of research institutions.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    They seem healthier and happier than the locals — by a ways. Four years of high school apparently is actively damaging kids.
     
    The actual reason for Amish health and happiness is buggy driving. If Americans would only give up their cars and switch back to buggies, they would be as healthy and happy as the Amish. Or perhaps I am confusing correlation with causation.

    The Amish have their niche and I am glad that they have it. They came here to be left alone and America to its everlasting credit has for the most part left them alone. It remains to be seen if the Left will be able to resist interfering with them in the future - they violate so many Leftist tenets. But their model is not extensible to a whole society. When the Amish fall sick, they have to go to a real doctor (if they want to live). The US is not part of the Empire of Japan or the USSR because people other than the Amish were willing to die to defend it. And so on.
    , @AnotherDad

    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?
     
    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous ... and sadly typical.

    We aren't a nation anymore so "public education" makes even less sense.

    Conservatives should be pushing vouchers for the obvious reasons:
    -- stop the leftist indoctrination of their kids
    -- teach our kids within our--Western Christian--culture and tradition
    -- allow our kids to escape from the riff-raff
    -- defund a massive leftist make-work employment project.

    But also to free us from this Fordist model and allow some actual innovation. Even within the broad "show up a school" model, we can do a lot better. And incredibly better for boys who are very poorly served by the increasingly feminized school system.
  10. Shouldn’t the word “Afro” be abandoned in favor of “Afrx”?

  11. @Anon
    Baroque harpsichord immersion schools.

    Square dance immersion schools.

    Schools that require uniforms that include trousers that belt at the true waist.

    Whatever happened to Latin high schools? They can read the part in the Gallic Wars about how Caesar enslaved entire cities and sold them to slave merchants.

    Nutritionally balanced gourmet vegan meals for those on the National School Lunch Program.

    Shape Note Singing Magnet Schools

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    Specialist Swimming Schools?
    , @JimB
    Orienteering Magnet School. Kids have to find their way to their first class, which changes location daily.
    , @donut
    Steve , you know the Temptations were the #1 Male Negro group in the 60's , and they had some great hits , certainly this probably one of the Top Ten Hit's of the decade .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CSjcm-z1w
    And they were NAZIs too .

    But IMHO The Four Tops were the best .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slOQu82QLRo

    And you know , this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFx7kfHnKg8
  12. Could we be better off simply focusing on developing and propagating scams like this? Versus battling it out in elections? Especially making the scams accessible to non wealthy Whites.

    Build power by letting people in on the scam. Think about the loyalty it could buy – teaching a normie how to keep his kids in a White school without having to sell his house.

    Think about the iron fist in the rainbow velvet glove. What the “woke” people want is mostly acknowledgement and trinkets. media has roughly zero people with real investigation skills. Highly publicized reparations committee hearings and put a black woman in charge of DHS and then drone strike migrants crossing the border. Press release: “White supremacists killed in shootout with border patrol. Meet the heroic tranny pilot who saved American lives”. Tanashei Coates on TV with Stephen Miller running the shop behind the scenes.

    • LOL: bomag, Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Lowermiddle
    I'd like to subscribe to this newsletter.
  13. I hope all these schools are blessed with Vibrant Diversity. Our natural overlords need to be confronted with America 2.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I hope all these schools are blessed with Vibrant Diversity. Our natural overlords need to be confronted with America 2.
     
    Yep.
    , @RadicalCenter
    African and Puerto Rican kids especially should be sent to all the schools, including the private schools, in the neighborhoods where the traitorous big Machers live in West LA, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Malibu, Washington DC’s Georgetown, and of course all of Manhattan NYC, Silicon Valley, and the Gaza Strip in Florida.

    The diversity will be their strength.

  14. This phenomenon was noted years ago when the revival of Welsh was being pursued through, amongst other things, reform in the schools. A school offering bilingual education simply attracted brighter children, mainly from English monoglot families. Any internal hurdle, any entrance test, is better than none. Because humans.

  15. As prospective Mayor of NY City, I say, fill the STEM classes with our black children. For the current era, I present to you the NewSTEM: Shuck-and-jive, Tackle football, Extended detention, and Metal Detectors.

    By “Magnet” schools, we mean electromagnets in the Principal’s office for finding those few extra knives on our clever little gangbangers that don’t get detected otherwise.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    If we invest enough money into the NewSTEM program, those kids will surely climb to the top!

    https://youtu.be/t-PnI-Mqyss
  16. There is nothing left to destroy in New York public schools.

    Now they plan to scrap the Regents Tests: Anyway it was all a lie

    “The graduation rate continues to slowly edge up, but stubborn gaps in achievement persist — gaps that separate students of color, students with disabilities, English language learners, and low-income students from their peers who are white and attend school in low-need districts,” Betty Rosa, the Regents chancellor, wrote in February.

    “And Regents exams have been knocked because they are essentially graded on a curve to get to the 65 passing grade. For example, the raw points needed to get a 65 grade on the Algebra I exam last spring was a 28, according to the state Education Department.”

    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2019/07/25/regents-exams-new-york-how-century-old-test-may-scrapped-ended-elia-rosa/1825691001/

    June 2018 Algebra I Regents Exam

    https://mathbitsnotebook.com/Algebra1/RegentsExams/A1June2018.pdf

    • Replies: @ricpic
    It's unlikely that even the slash and burn methods used by DeBlasio's hispanic education czar will destroy Stuyvesant High School, the Bronx High School of Science or Brooklyn Tech. The student bodies of those three schools are overwhelmingly high achieving asian kids. And those kids are backed up by ferocious parents who will fight tooth and nail (as they already are fighting) against dilution of both curricula and student makeup in those schools.
    , @Anonymous
    The Regents test was a minor plot device in Death of a Salesman , that magnum opus of liberal favorite Arthur Miller.

    "death of a salesman arthur miller regents exam" as a regular expression gives a huge number of links but of course never the text of the play, which is pretty protected. Miller's work is copyright protected until 2095 under our insane laws, even his 1940 novel. That's 155 years!

    Miller was an oafish, loutish doofus, who married a vulnerable woman (Marilyn Monroe) to go over on his frenemy Elia Kazan.
  17. June 2018 Algebra I Regents Exam

    The most shocking thing about that Regents exam are the names of the people in the questions.

    Joy. Isaac. Mike. Mrs. Allard. Tyler. Susan. Fred. Alyssa. Caleb. Dylan.

    No Mohammad. No D’Shawn. No Consuelo. No Shuyang. I mean… Susan, for goodness sake? No wonder everyone is failing these tests. The names in the questions don’t look like theirs.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman
    Where we live now, there is a new set of Chinese-immersion schools. They teach everything in Chinese in the mornings, I think, and then math and science in English in the afternoons. Some of the kids are Chinese, who really never did learn Chinese yet, and other Chinese kids are in there for the easy grades. There are plenty of white and black children too.

    For the kids' brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth. We'd better keep fairly mum on that one, because, once the Commie totalitarians get wind of that, it'll be an excuse to break up the nuclear family even earlier. There's already this push for "pre-K". You've got 4 years to be the ones to teach them right.

    BTW, at the Catholic school, most of the kids opted for Spanish, as it's way easier than Chinese. That means the parents aren't deciding this, so Lot's idea is not being utilized, but I get the point - you need another loophole to avoid saying "no, our kids won't be hanging around those kids, one way or another."

    I'm not sure there will be much left of real America by 2024 anyway, and I never did care about what happened to New Yorkers.

    per your example, “at the Catholic school”: the parents made the choice when they chose the religious institution over the public.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm talking about the students' picking of Spanish over Chinese for their language requirement, Woodsie. The Chinese classes may have even been phased out by now, because "easier". It's not much of a religious institution anymore either, I can tell you from experience. The Penguin does not work there anymore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI
  19. It is likely that running whites and Asians out of the big city public schools is the actual goal, rather than achieving some mythical racial balance. After all, a lot of the jobs in the public education sector are essentially workfare – and you certainly don’t want parents with high expectations running around agitating for change that might get people fired or weaken the unions, so it’s better to keep adding loyal Democratic voters who will do the bare minimum to not get fired and keep turning over union dues. That this will produce dismal results for the students is a feature, not a bug, since it justifies ever-increasing demands for more ‘investment’ and guilting state legislatures into taking tax money from other parts of the state and putting it into schools serving the most dysfunctional communities, which incidentally strengthens the Democratic hold on our urban areas.

    • Agree: snorlax, GermanReader2, bomag
  20. @bomag
    Until about 2020, the graph was of cities that were centers of trade/culture/technology.

    After 2020, not so much; they look to be human feedlots.

    People generally breed slower in cities, both in the first and the third world. This is what progress looks like.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Not to be too harsh, but in practice, offering large cash payments to induce the usa’s big-city populations to voluntarily sterilize themselves, would be progress for all other people here. This could be tubal ligation or vasectomy at their option.

    What a wonderful cascading series of benefits, without anything more complicated or intrusive than that. With no violence and no coercion.

    FAR fewer murders, fewer women brutalized by rape, fewer vehicles so less air pollution, less food stamp and Medicaid and other welfare dependency, fewer prison guards and “social workers”, less crowded hospitals, safer schools and streets, less fear and tension in public places, safer more pleasant and widely used mass transit (again less pollution), eventually perhaps fewer prosecutors and probation officers. And on and on.

    All peacefully, and the law would not be racially discriminatory.

    Any resident of a particularly large or overcrowded and/or relatively heavily polluted city, would be eligible.

    Not hard to use air-pollution measurements and population density statistics to determine eligibility fairly and neutrally. It makes sense to encourage people in already polluted, overcrowded areas not to exacerbate the health and social problems that come by further increasing the population in that region.

  21. @Woodsie
    per your example, "at the Catholic school": the parents made the choice when they chose the religious institution over the public.

    I’m talking about the students’ picking of Spanish over Chinese for their language requirement, Woodsie. The Chinese classes may have even been phased out by now, because “easier”. It’s not much of a religious institution anymore either, I can tell you from experience. The Penguin does not work there anymore.

    • Replies: @donut
    That was an inspirational speech .
  22. @A. E.
    Things like that happen regularly.

    In Basel, Switzerland, in the past, the separation of pupils happened quite early, at the age of 11. Those with better grades went to grammar school (Gymnasium) and so did not have to attend school together with lower-middle class pupils any more. Choosing Latin as the first foreign language furthermore made sure that someone was in a class with a large percentage of upper-class and upper-middle-class pupils.

    In the meantime, there have been many school reforms. In principle, pupils with lower and higher grades are together much longer, and Latin cannot be chosen as the first foreign language any more (as far as I know, it is now just an optional subject and does not influence with whom someone is in class).

    However, there were special classes with more music lessons than normal, and they were mostly chosen by upper-middle-class families, there were many fewer migrant children in these classes, and they had average grade - like classes with Latin as the first foreign language in earlier times. Then, there were discussions whether these music classes should be kept because they and the segregation achieved by them went against the principles of the school reforms.

    Interesting about what language to choose.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    The city is still half German, so in HS a lot of kids take German. A lot of the Asians take Chinese.

    Spanish classes are actually harder, since lots of native speakers.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Madison, eh? How is Lori Lightfoot working out as your new Mayor?
    , @GermanReader2
    In my school we could choose between Latin and French as a second foreign language. Latin was recommended for students, who were good at math and sciences, but struggled a bit with German and English. French was recommended for students with a weakness in math, and good students took both (one could elect a third foreign language 2 years later).
    , @Prosa123
    The best languages for students to learn in high school: Python, Ruby and SQL.
    , @AnotherDad

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.
     
    You're on the ground, so i'll take your word for it.

    I would have thought there were still more blacks around, and, with Steve, that the blacks have no use for Spanish and take French.

    ~~

    I did French in HS and have pretty much regarded it as a mistake since.

    From a practical point of view Spanish seems like the clear choice in the US for this past generation. Internally the bi-lingual thing doesn't stop and the Democrats have gone full loon on having a border. English is tractable throughout Europe, while the Spanish left behind an entire empire. No one actually wants to go to where the French had their empire (with a few exceptions).

    (Of course Chinese seems pretty sensible given what's coming, assuming the HS kid in question can make some actual progress with it.)
    , @The Alarmist

    Interesting about what language to choose.
     
    Your kids were fortunate at this point in time to be born and raised as native English speakers, as English is currently the lingua Franca of business, entertainment, arts, and science. If they have the option, Mandarin Chinese is likely to be the next most useful for the foreseeable future.

    French is useful if you do business in France, Belgium, part of Switzerland, and a number of other Francophone dead-end countries. German is useless outside the DACH ... Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, two of which still have substantial business sectors where you can get away speaking English but will find the language skills useful for shopping.
  23. Why not just have magnet apps? Who needs brick and mortarboard schools anymore?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Those exist.

    Many states allow the students to take HS classes online. That makes life easier for some of the home school students.

    My guess is if the de Blasio plan went through, there would be more online student in NYC
    , @bomag

    Who needs brick and mortarboard schools anymore?
     
    Heh.

    Online instruction is exceptional, what with Khan Academy et al, youtube and such.

    Most communities still center quite a bit of community life around schools; and the formal aspects of school are still valued.

    But that can certainly change as costs go up, and formal schooling becomes more a propaganda mill.

    Back to church as the center of community life?
  24. @Buzz Mohawk
    Why not just have magnet apps? Who needs brick and mortarboard schools anymore?

    Those exist.

    Many states allow the students to take HS classes online. That makes life easier for some of the home school students.

    My guess is if the de Blasio plan went through, there would be more online student in NYC

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    No mandatory attendance by White kids in ghetto schools. No fleeing to private schools or online.

    That is the whole point of the Civil Rights movement. White people can't flee and must submit to Black rule.
  25. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    Informative, fascinating, hypnotising and terrifying.

    Thanks!

  26. The current trajectory is the schools being used to provide government jobs to various influential ethnic groups. It does not have anything to do with integration or whatever. There are no black or Hispanic parents groups, or any other groups, demanding entrance into specialized HSs. It really is Carranza making the fuss, which implies to me it is educrats jockeying to move their budget agenda forward. Give me more cafeteria workers and your kid goes to the possibly more chaotic local school or the way more expensive private school.

    As far as parents and educrats finding loopholes in the system that is a kind of safety valve where parents that have the time to game the system spend their time discovering and using those loopholes.

    Local HSs have ‘enriched’ programs even in black Hispanic areas. So it is not clear that local black and Hispanic parents will cooperate with plans to put their children in distant HSs or that their kids will gain anything. So from a parents perspective, there might not be all that much to be gained by sending your kid to Stuyvesant HS beyond easy access to a pool.

  27. @Achmed E. Newman
    Where we live now, there is a new set of Chinese-immersion schools. They teach everything in Chinese in the mornings, I think, and then math and science in English in the afternoons. Some of the kids are Chinese, who really never did learn Chinese yet, and other Chinese kids are in there for the easy grades. There are plenty of white and black children too.

    For the kids' brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth. We'd better keep fairly mum on that one, because, once the Commie totalitarians get wind of that, it'll be an excuse to break up the nuclear family even earlier. There's already this push for "pre-K". You've got 4 years to be the ones to teach them right.

    BTW, at the Catholic school, most of the kids opted for Spanish, as it's way easier than Chinese. That means the parents aren't deciding this, so Lot's idea is not being utilized, but I get the point - you need another loophole to avoid saying "no, our kids won't be hanging around those kids, one way or another."

    I'm not sure there will be much left of real America by 2024 anyway, and I never did care about what happened to New Yorkers.

    How will the run at controlling private schools be approached? Many of them are already run by diversity worshipers, but those that aren’t have to know they will be threatened some time soon. These zealots aren’t going to stop on their own. It will be an interesting conflict to watch.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    Oh, that battle's been fought, baby. And the religious folks dun LOST.

    The religious bodies are now dependent on govt largesse. Some of that is a result of welfare reform, when the govt ameliorated the effects by moving people on welfare onto disability and to the religious charities (which the govt still funded, albeit at a lower rate).

    Some of it is down to ordinary people taking a fuckitol and tuning the churches out. Notice how desperate they are to import new members. They're just as treasonous as the universities and the Chamber of Commerce.

    The end result is that they'll do as they're told, both because they're so beholden and because they want the same things. Hell, they're doing as they're told right now, because if they get shirty Daddy Gubmint will stop funding them (and allowing themselves to get into that position was stupid it's impossible to feel sorry for them). And they might have to - gasp! - pay taxes.

    The ordinary conservatives need to get over the idea that religious bodies are their friends. Ain't no one coming to help you.

    Also, the reason you don't hear too much about "education reform" these days is because the churches have FINALLY twigged that people don't actually want to fund religious education, certainly not with taxpayer dollars. Inasmuch as they want it, they want to control the environment. And now that parochial schools can't depend on nuns' slave labor, it's no longer a bargain. And now that they're in full Invite the World mode, they refuse to control the environment.

  28. I wasn’t even aware of a large Slovak population in the States. So glad we voted for brexit: wouldn’t want those ugly manipulative Slovakian Rats pulling that nishkumar here!!!

  29. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:

    Mayor Dante de Blasio announced at today’s press conference: “Hey, wait a minute! I just figured out something about the profusion of Slovak Language Magnet Schools on the Upper West Side and in Park Slope. They’re a scam for high IQ hapa Asian-whites to avoid regular Afro-Latinx public schools!

    Dante is correct. These schools are a scam and should not exist. Let privileged parents foot the bill if they want special separate education for little privileged Johnny, David, or Henry.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    ... Johnny, David, or Henry.
     
    I hate to pry, but what century are you living in, #165? It'd be Tanner, Tyler, or Conner. Last names are now first names. It's the current-era, man!
  30. @Zoodles
    I hope all these schools are blessed with Vibrant Diversity. Our natural overlords need to be confronted with America 2.

    I hope all these schools are blessed with Vibrant Diversity. Our natural overlords need to be confronted with America 2.

    Yep.

  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    Where we live now, there is a new set of Chinese-immersion schools. They teach everything in Chinese in the mornings, I think, and then math and science in English in the afternoons. Some of the kids are Chinese, who really never did learn Chinese yet, and other Chinese kids are in there for the easy grades. There are plenty of white and black children too.

    For the kids' brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth. We'd better keep fairly mum on that one, because, once the Commie totalitarians get wind of that, it'll be an excuse to break up the nuclear family even earlier. There's already this push for "pre-K". You've got 4 years to be the ones to teach them right.

    BTW, at the Catholic school, most of the kids opted for Spanish, as it's way easier than Chinese. That means the parents aren't deciding this, so Lot's idea is not being utilized, but I get the point - you need another loophole to avoid saying "no, our kids won't be hanging around those kids, one way or another."

    I'm not sure there will be much left of real America by 2024 anyway, and I never did care about what happened to New Yorkers.

    For the kids’ brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth.

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    "Cause I said so - Part 2", from Journal of Experience pp. 212 - 217.

    Achmed E. Newman, et al,, August 26th, '19

  32. French immersion plays this role in Canada as well.

  33. @Paleo Liberal
    Interesting about what language to choose.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    The city is still half German, so in HS a lot of kids take German. A lot of the Asians take Chinese.

    Spanish classes are actually harder, since lots of native speakers.

    Madison, eh? How is Lori Lightfoot working out as your new Mayor?

  34. @Paleo Liberal
    Those exist.

    Many states allow the students to take HS classes online. That makes life easier for some of the home school students.

    My guess is if the de Blasio plan went through, there would be more online student in NYC

    No mandatory attendance by White kids in ghetto schools. No fleeing to private schools or online.

    That is the whole point of the Civil Rights movement. White people can’t flee and must submit to Black rule.

  35. OT – But here is an example of the mindset we are dealing with in the boomer population. This guy is 120% pro-Trump BTW:

    • Replies: @Eighthman
    Uh.....robots and AI ??
    , @ATBOTL
    What a moron. He thinks that is more important than America becoming white minority? These boomers types are living in an alternate universe where minorities are ever increasingly pro-Trump. On their boomer sites they are constantly passing around fake news about "40% of the blacks support Trump."
  36. @Not my Economy
    Could we be better off simply focusing on developing and propagating scams like this? Versus battling it out in elections? Especially making the scams accessible to non wealthy Whites.

    Build power by letting people in on the scam. Think about the loyalty it could buy - teaching a normie how to keep his kids in a White school without having to sell his house.

    Think about the iron fist in the rainbow velvet glove. What the “woke” people want is mostly acknowledgement and trinkets. media has roughly zero people with real investigation skills. Highly publicized reparations committee hearings and put a black woman in charge of DHS and then drone strike migrants crossing the border. Press release: “White supremacists killed in shootout with border patrol. Meet the heroic tranny pilot who saved American lives”. Tanashei Coates on TV with Stephen Miller running the shop behind the scenes.

    I’d like to subscribe to this newsletter.

  37. @Paleo Liberal
    Interesting about what language to choose.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    The city is still half German, so in HS a lot of kids take German. A lot of the Asians take Chinese.

    Spanish classes are actually harder, since lots of native speakers.

    In my school we could choose between Latin and French as a second foreign language. Latin was recommended for students, who were good at math and sciences, but struggled a bit with German and English. French was recommended for students with a weakness in math, and good students took both (one could elect a third foreign language 2 years later).

  38. The sad/infuriating/funny thing is that the ostensible goal of the policy change — desegregating NYC schools — is mathematically impossible. The NYT article points out that there are 1.1 million children in the school system, 70% of them black or Hispanic, and thirty or so paragraphs later it observes that there are 16,000 students, 75% of them white or Asian, in elementary school G&T programs in the city. So this is like saying you can turn a gallon of coffee white with a drop of cream. The article never makes that observation, of course.

    DiBlasio, interestingly, reacted quite tepidly to the proposal — basically thanked the panel for its hard work and said that his administration would review its recommendations carefully. Contrary to the post above, I don’t think many people want to drive the remaining whites and Asians out of the system, and even the Times acknowledges that white/Asian flight is a risk if this proposal is implemented.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The sad/infuriating/funny thing is that the ostensible goal of the policy change — desegregating NYC schools — is mathematically impossible.
     
    This is just one symptom of the bigger problem that these lefty knuckleheads don't actually have a clue what they mean by "segregation" and "integration."

    For example, What percentage of magic whites are required at a school before minorities can start to learn? Why don't whites get racial "integration" from being around Asians? Why don't blacks get their needed racial "integration" from Hispanics? It's all a big mystery.

    Mainly, they can't figure it out because there's no actual evidence of racial integration doing any good for anybody to begin with.
  39. @Paleo Liberal
    Interesting about what language to choose.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    The city is still half German, so in HS a lot of kids take German. A lot of the Asians take Chinese.

    Spanish classes are actually harder, since lots of native speakers.

    The best languages for students to learn in high school: Python, Ruby and SQL.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    So they can lose their jobs to H1-B visa holders?

    I know two of those languages. I have lost a job to an H1-B visa holder.

    That being said, one of my kids is studying business. I am trying to convince her that some of those languages would make her life easier
    , @RadicalCenter
    and Mandarin.
  40. OT

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Well at least they can’t escape.
  41. @Prosa123
    The best languages for students to learn in high school: Python, Ruby and SQL.

    So they can lose their jobs to H1-B visa holders?

    I know two of those languages. I have lost a job to an H1-B visa holder.

    That being said, one of my kids is studying business. I am trying to convince her that some of those languages would make her life easier

    • Replies: @everybodyhatesscott
    Visual Basic and SQL knowledge will make a life in corporate america easier.
  42. @A. E.
    Things like that happen regularly.

    In Basel, Switzerland, in the past, the separation of pupils happened quite early, at the age of 11. Those with better grades went to grammar school (Gymnasium) and so did not have to attend school together with lower-middle class pupils any more. Choosing Latin as the first foreign language furthermore made sure that someone was in a class with a large percentage of upper-class and upper-middle-class pupils.

    In the meantime, there have been many school reforms. In principle, pupils with lower and higher grades are together much longer, and Latin cannot be chosen as the first foreign language any more (as far as I know, it is now just an optional subject and does not influence with whom someone is in class).

    However, there were special classes with more music lessons than normal, and they were mostly chosen by upper-middle-class families, there were many fewer migrant children in these classes, and they had average grade - like classes with Latin as the first foreign language in earlier times. Then, there were discussions whether these music classes should be kept because they and the segregation achieved by them went against the principles of the school reforms.

    Paleo,

    Believe me, the government will never “reform” the school system. It can’t, and there are several reasons. First of all, there is no way to defeat the Teacher’s Union. Bad teachers keep thier jobs forever. Second, the school system is a political organization; it’s an organ of the state. The job of “public schools” is to teach children not to think. Only follow orders. Most kids have no choice in the classes which they will attend. And if they do get a choice, it excludes any discussion of civics, taxes, unions, or morality. Schools carefully steer the kids away from any subject which might impact the ability of the government to rule by fiat. That’s why they promote “STEM.” Science classes are completely apolitical, so the kids won’t ask any embarrassing questions. Third, “reform” would imply opening the books, and allowing the public to see the salaries of the bloated bureaucracy. But if they open those books, they might have to open other books too. Can’t have that! So there is only one reform possible: Close the public schools. And then close all the other boondoggle government agencies. We don’t need HUD. They decide who should get a free apartment. We don’t need a department of Veteran’s affairs. Veteran’s are just regular people; they don’t qualify for special treatment. We don’t need a V.A. hospital system either, regular hospitals are fine. We don’t need a department of Health and Human Services: America provides medical care through Insurance, through State Programs, and through free clinics. We don’t need a department of Justice, either: we already have a court system, with Federal Prosecutors. We don’t need a department of Transportation. It’s just bunch of Union thugs who bid-up the price of road contracts; while Ling Ling watches. And let’s be honest: our crappy cars are getting more and more expensive. In fact, you can buy a new car in India for $2,500 dollars. And finally, we don’t need a department of Agriculture. It’s not the job of the American tax-payer to guarantee farmers a profit. Good farmers make plenty of money.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @bomag
    Whoa! Dude! Entirely too much sense.

    But when all the productive work is done by machines and one percent of the people, society has to make work for the rest of the able bodied.
  43. Related to the dying drama queen known as New York City: Good news! Tee-Hee Coates has a new book coming out. I know this because Amazon keeps sending recommendations to me which feature Man-Boy’s novel even though the books I’ve bought are light-years away from any kind of negro navel-gazing. Taki’s must send special correspondent Steve Sailer to a Tee-Hee book signing in Brooklyn. There Steve can soak in the ambience of Tee-Hee’s kingdom and take notes as Tee-Hee’s fanbase — progressive white women and their eunuch boyfriends — worshipfully absorb every wise word emitted from Tee-Hee’s precious black body. Steve can title his essay Radical Chic Redux.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    What you ran into with the amzn. recommendation, SBS, is no longer a bug. That's a feature now. Don't bother to send a complaint email, as you are no longer the customer - the Orwellian State is. They will decide on what you will read, thankyouverymuch.
  44. Dear isteve Readers:

    A very gentle reminder:

    THE ADL

    LEO FRANK

    MARY PHEGAN

    AND THESE DAYS

    YOU MIGHT AS WELL TOSS IN ALAN DERSHOWITZ

  45. @Kronos
    It’s like those old school film villains that plan to unleash a deadly virus on the world. But they possess the only vaccine/cure in case of accidental self-infection. But are white liberals smart enough to create the cure before releasing the virus most of the time?

    In the time of the Cheney Regency I was working on a conspiracy theory wherein Donald Rumsfeld and his friend Dick unleash a world-threatening virus that would be stopped by a vaccine produced by Gilead Sciences Inc., one of Rumsfeld’s companies. The world is saved and Dick and Don make bank. Win-win!

    • Replies: @Kronos
    What did the virus? Side effects?
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    In Dan Brown's novel, Inferno, someone creates a virus that randomly sterilizes one-third of humanity to reign in population growth.

    It must have been the zeitgeist, because I had the same idea months before the book was published -- but the virus was designed to be choosy in what kinds of humans it would sterilize. Many other people must have thought of the same thing. It's probably appeared in lots of science fiction stories over the years.

    One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

  46. @bomag
    Until about 2020, the graph was of cities that were centers of trade/culture/technology.

    After 2020, not so much; they look to be human feedlots.

    “… they look to be human feedlots.”

    Or holding pens for black and brown bodies. Either term previsions industrialized cannibalism. What Chuck Heston called soylent green; what Hillary Clinton calls brunch.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    “… they look to be human feedlots.”
     
    Or holding pens for black and brown bodies.
     
    Stockyards?
  47. @Steve Sailer
    Shape Note Singing Magnet Schools

    Specialist Swimming Schools?

  48. Speaking of public school children in the New York/New Jersey area, Disney is making a live-action adaptation of the Kamala Khan version of Ms Marvel, set in New Jersey for their new streaming service, Disney +.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Khan

    Interestingly, the head writer they hired, British Pakistani, (Though she appears to be living in Toronto for some years now) Bisha K. Ali, locked her twitter account after being announced as the producer/head writer, deleting over 5000 tweets over a few days. You can get an idea of what she is trying to hide here.

    Due to her prior obscurity, few screencaps of old tweets but plenty of replies to her contain people comiserating with her hatred of white people and one even contains the #whitegenocide tag.

    Anyway, everything you need to know about her is in this picture.

    You don’t win any prizes for guessing her comedy is often described as ‘personal’. Possibly also an example of Steve’s theory of professional and academic Jewish women projecting their own community’s particularly restricitve attitudes towards women on their host society.

  49. Hizzoner is correct (like a broken clock) to try to eliminate G&T programs at NYC public schools.

    Public education was sold, to the gullible voters, as a means to provide basic skills to desperately poor kids.

    Not as a way for the Government to decree who should be our future winners and losers.

    A very creepy mission.

    Once again we see a government spending program being used for (broad, social engineering) political purposes totally unrelated to the (modest, “good intentioned”) political purposes upon which it was instituted.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You are totally wrong about this. The middle classes pay heavily to support the public school system with their taxes and it is right and proper that they should be able to get something back for their tax dollars. It is the job of every school system to educate each of their students to their full potential for as many years as that system teaches. This means that for the brightest students (whom, in NY are not necessarily rich or even middle class - the G&T schools of NY are filled with Asian immigrant kids whose parents work in restaurants and other menial occupations) they should be allowed to work at their own pace alongside other similarly bright kids and not be forced to sit alongside dindus or leave the public school system (and possibly even the city). NY has over a million kids in the system so it is no problem (aside from racial politics) for them to set aside a few schools for non-dindus so they can get a good education. The government is not picking winners and losers - in fact is powerless to pick winners and losers. Winners pick themselves. You could abolish the public school system entirely (as you seem to favor) and these kids would STILL be winners and the losers would still be losers no matter how much education is lavished upon them. But investing public $ in the winners is good policy - these kids will grow up to pay far more in taxes than is spent educating them.
  50. @istevefan
    OT - But here is an example of the mindset we are dealing with in the boomer population. This guy is 120% pro-Trump BTW:

    https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1165986035156705285

    Uh…..robots and AI ??

  51. @Paleo Liberal
    So they can lose their jobs to H1-B visa holders?

    I know two of those languages. I have lost a job to an H1-B visa holder.

    That being said, one of my kids is studying business. I am trying to convince her that some of those languages would make her life easier

    Visual Basic and SQL knowledge will make a life in corporate america easier.

  52. Note to Mrs. Cohen-Clarke: people who speak the Slovak language are ” Slovakian”, not “Slovian”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Note to Mrs. Cohen-Clarke: people who speak the Slovak language are ” Slovakian”, not “Slovian”.
     
    Close, but no viržinku.


    https://im9.cz/iR/importprodukt-orig/4f8/4f80bd8c277f1a3a562e03e810173aaa--mmf250x250.jpg

    A Slovakian is a citizen or national of the state of Slovakia. A Slovak is a member of the ethnic group, or also a citizen.

    One who speaks the Slovak language would be a Slovacophone.
    Or perhaps slovenskofónnej.

  53. @Paleo Liberal
    Interesting about what language to choose.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    The city is still half German, so in HS a lot of kids take German. A lot of the Asians take Chinese.

    Spanish classes are actually harder, since lots of native speakers.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    You’re on the ground, so i’ll take your word for it.

    I would have thought there were still more blacks around, and, with Steve, that the blacks have no use for Spanish and take French.

    ~~

    I did French in HS and have pretty much regarded it as a mistake since.

    From a practical point of view Spanish seems like the clear choice in the US for this past generation. Internally the bi-lingual thing doesn’t stop and the Democrats have gone full loon on having a border. English is tractable throughout Europe, while the Spanish left behind an entire empire. No one actually wants to go to where the French had their empire (with a few exceptions).

    (Of course Chinese seems pretty sensible given what’s coming, assuming the HS kid in question can make some actual progress with it.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    For most Americans, foreign language skill are not career essentials. Given that they already speak the global lingua franca, other languages are nice to have and can be useful in certain niches but they don't change career outcomes for most people. So it really doesn't make a difference if you learn Spanish or French or Chinese or fading German or whatever - you'll be fine no matter which one you pick.

    Chinese is good for people who have the brains for it, but not everyone does. For more average kids, Spanish is probably the better choice. Not all languages are equally difficult to learn coming from English. Chinese ranks among the more difficult with its unfamiliar tonal system and character based writing system (although the grammar is rather simple - no need to conjugate verbs). Spanish is much easier because English speakers already know some of the Latin roots and because spelling is very easy to master (although not so easy that I don't see menus in Mexican restaurants full of spelling mistakes).
    , @Vinteuil

    I did French in HS and have pretty much regarded it as a mistake since.

    From a practical point of view Spanish seems like the clear choice in the US for this past generation.
     
    From a practical point of view, yes, probably. But, then, practically speaking, few English speakers really need any second language at all.

    When it comes to great literature that one might wish to be able to read in the original, French is the only (living) language that's even playing in the same ballpark as English. Spanish, German, and even Italian are distant runners-up.
  54. @SunBakedSuburb
    In the time of the Cheney Regency I was working on a conspiracy theory wherein Donald Rumsfeld and his friend Dick unleash a world-threatening virus that would be stopped by a vaccine produced by Gilead Sciences Inc., one of Rumsfeld's companies. The world is saved and Dick and Don make bank. Win-win!

    What did the virus? Side effects?

  55. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Where we live now, there is a new set of Chinese-immersion schools. They teach everything in Chinese in the mornings, I think, and then math and science in English in the afternoons. Some of the kids are Chinese, who really never did learn Chinese yet, and other Chinese kids are in there for the easy grades. There are plenty of white and black children too.

    For the kids' brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth. We'd better keep fairly mum on that one, because, once the Commie totalitarians get wind of that, it'll be an excuse to break up the nuclear family even earlier. There's already this push for "pre-K". You've got 4 years to be the ones to teach them right.

    BTW, at the Catholic school, most of the kids opted for Spanish, as it's way easier than Chinese. That means the parents aren't deciding this, so Lot's idea is not being utilized, but I get the point - you need another loophole to avoid saying "no, our kids won't be hanging around those kids, one way or another."

    I'm not sure there will be much left of real America by 2024 anyway, and I never did care about what happened to New Yorkers.

    In Los Angeles you can sometimes get out of a speeding ticket by taking a few-hour class in traffic safety. Originally off duty cops would lead classes that concentrated on showing gruesome accident videos. Then an entrepreneur got the idea to organize classes led by struggling comedians, which were more entertaining.

    Since I was studying Japanese I went in another direction and signed up to take the class in Japanese. It turned out that the teacher was Chinese, who could speak a little Japanese, and the class was supposed to be bilingual. All the other students were Chinese. To his credit the teacher every once in a while said something to me in Japanese, but most of the time I had no clue what was being talked about.

    Nevertheless, it was enough to keep my driving record clean.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, that comment is right in my wheelhouse, #280! I've been to traffic schools 3 times, and I am a much better driver for having spent 2 evenings watching the playoffs and talking about how not to get tickets once already pulled over. At least the Highway Department reckoned I was better, having rehabilitated myself.

    Your story is hilarious to me. and I'm sure you're much safer on the road, now that you've been instructed by a Chinaman speaking Japanese working for The State. I want your story that to my blog as an addendum to "Good luck streak in Traffic School". Is that OK with you?
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Then an entrepreneur got the idea to organize classes led by struggling comedians, which were more entertaining.
     
    Did you ever go to a traffic school called "Lettuce amuse you"? Just askin' for a friend.
  56. A Hebrew immersion charter school already exists in Harlem
    https://harlemhebrewcharter.org

  57. @bomag
    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?

    My area had an influx of Mennonite/Amish around 20 years ago, sects that only educate their kids through the eighth grade. They seem healthier and happier than the locals -- by a ways. Four years of high school apparently is actively damaging kids.

    But competitive parents need a battleground, so let's make math and literature part of a club sport network akin to soccer and hockey, where parents and their minions can do battle with conjunctives; and convergent series; for slots in the pro leagues of research institutions.

    They seem healthier and happier than the locals — by a ways. Four years of high school apparently is actively damaging kids.

    The actual reason for Amish health and happiness is buggy driving. If Americans would only give up their cars and switch back to buggies, they would be as healthy and happy as the Amish. Or perhaps I am confusing correlation with causation.

    The Amish have their niche and I am glad that they have it. They came here to be left alone and America to its everlasting credit has for the most part left them alone. It remains to be seen if the Left will be able to resist interfering with them in the future – they violate so many Leftist tenets. But their model is not extensible to a whole society. When the Amish fall sick, they have to go to a real doctor (if they want to live). The US is not part of the Empire of Japan or the USSR because people other than the Amish were willing to die to defend it. And so on.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    The Amish always intrigued me. For a time I lived in an area, Miami County, Ohio which contained numerous Amish, not only that sect but also Mennonites and Dunkards. Their conservatism differed only in degree with the Amish being most conservative. This showed in their farming methods in which Amish used horses extensively but the Mennonites and Dunkards used powered equipment at times. They were primarily farmers and it was obvious they owned the richest farming land. I haven't been back to that area in many years and I suppose things have changed. Where I live in Texas there is a large community of Mennonites, many seem to be in the building trades. All good honest hard workers, salt of the earth so to speak.
    , @nebulafox
    I used to live on Okinawa, home to some of the longest-lived people in the world. This is remarkable when you consider that the elderly people on the island went through a close approximation to Dante's Inferno in 1945, with the IJA serving as the resident demons. You'd expect massive rates of PTSD and alcoholism after that, akin to the sad conditions of many of Seattle's ethnic Khmer immigrants, as a contrasting example. But they are nevertheless happier and healthier than their grandchildren. Part of this is the reasons you'd expect: healthier diet, more exercise, yadda yadda. Part of it is culture. Part of it is postwar conditions. But the key factor really subtler than that. If you have a purpose in life, you are a lot likely to live longer and be happier. That, and-here is where the Amish likely share this in common with the Okinawans-this is usually tied into being actively integrated into life in your own community, one that you innately just feel a part of. Aristotle once called man an innately political creature. Taking the ancient Greek at face value: that doesn't mean being a politician, it simply means a man being part of a polis. Take away the polis, give men nothing except their own desires and whims to live for (and make no mistake, it'll be the men who are both not cared about by others and are more inclined to not care about others)...

    I'm at a loss to understand why a truth that almost every society has understood innately some level requires whole newspaper articles to even address in the modern United States when discussing social rot.

  58. @SunBakedSuburb
    In the time of the Cheney Regency I was working on a conspiracy theory wherein Donald Rumsfeld and his friend Dick unleash a world-threatening virus that would be stopped by a vaccine produced by Gilead Sciences Inc., one of Rumsfeld's companies. The world is saved and Dick and Don make bank. Win-win!

    In Dan Brown’s novel, Inferno, someone creates a virus that randomly sterilizes one-third of humanity to reign in population growth.

    It must have been the zeitgeist, because I had the same idea months before the book was published — but the virus was designed to be choosy in what kinds of humans it would sterilize. Many other people must have thought of the same thing. It’s probably appeared in lots of science fiction stories over the years.

    One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    reign in [sic]
     
    Rein in. No monarchs involved.
    , @Hunsdon
    Also please see Frank Herbert's The White Plague.
    , @gcochran
    It's possible.
    , @dux.ie
    > One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    It is already spreading in US. People with the CCR5 Delta32 mutation have resistance to HIV but are very much more susceptable to the West Nile virus. Nowadays HIV is manageable but there is no cure for WNV. CCR5 Delta32 also enhances IQ. About 17% of People with Northern European ancestry have the CCR5 Delta32 mutation while the Blacks only 2%. Thus the WNV asymetrically attacks the Whites, to be more specific the more intelligent Whites. WNV ignores the social justice wankers' assertion that there are no biological races.

    The hot-bed for WNV is the Middle East and the virus has also spread to Europe, but it did not cross the narrow English Channel to Britain. It is a mystry why the WNV can cross the Atlantic Ocean to New York and spreads to every parts of US and part of Canada. It was alleged that it was Saddam's favorite potential WMD.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16418398
    "CCR5 deficiency increases risk of symptomatic West Nile virus infection."

    Recently, we showed that the chemokine receptor CCR5 is critical for survival of mice infected with WNV, acting at the level of leukocyte trafficking to the brain. To test whether this receptor is also protective in man, we determined the frequency of CCR5Δ32, a defective CCR5 allele found predominantly in Caucasians, in two independent cohorts of patients, one from Arizona and the other from Colorado, who had laboratory-confirmed, symptomatic WNV infection.

    CCR5Delta32 homozygosity was significantly associated with fatal outcome in the Arizona cohort (OddRatio = 13.2, pval=0.03)
     
    Re-calculation of ArizonaWNV+ from Glass et al Table II, instead of getting the percentages horizontally for intra-racial comparisons, re-calculate them vertically for inter-racial comparisons,

    Cohort|CCR5++ ||CCR5- mutation
    White |115/131 (87.8%)||28/31 (90.30%) <===
    Black | 90/199 (45.2%)||14/31 (45.16%)


    The infection rates for Whites with or without the CCR5 Delta32 are about 90%, double that for Blacks. And those social justice wankers wanted to ban the research on WNV prevention from CCR5 Delta32 gene editing. They are worthy of the Darwin Award.
    , @Kronos
    Thanos in Avengers Infinity

    But it’s 1/2 the Universe.

    https://youtu.be/cM-DoO84Sf4
  59. @Kronos
    It’s like those old school film villains that plan to unleash a deadly virus on the world. But they possess the only vaccine/cure in case of accidental self-infection. But are white liberals smart enough to create the cure before releasing the virus most of the time?

    But are white liberals smart enough to create the cure before releasing the virus most of the time?

    Hmmm………Magic 8-Ball says no!

  60. @Abolish_public_education
    Hizzoner is correct (like a broken clock) to try to eliminate G&T programs at NYC public schools.

    Public education was sold, to the gullible voters, as a means to provide basic skills to desperately poor kids.

    Not as a way for the Government to decree who should be our future winners and losers.

    A very creepy mission.

    Once again we see a government spending program being used for (broad, social engineering) political purposes totally unrelated to the (modest, “good intentioned”) political purposes upon which it was instituted.

    You are totally wrong about this. The middle classes pay heavily to support the public school system with their taxes and it is right and proper that they should be able to get something back for their tax dollars. It is the job of every school system to educate each of their students to their full potential for as many years as that system teaches. This means that for the brightest students (whom, in NY are not necessarily rich or even middle class – the G&T schools of NY are filled with Asian immigrant kids whose parents work in restaurants and other menial occupations) they should be allowed to work at their own pace alongside other similarly bright kids and not be forced to sit alongside dindus or leave the public school system (and possibly even the city). NY has over a million kids in the system so it is no problem (aside from racial politics) for them to set aside a few schools for non-dindus so they can get a good education. The government is not picking winners and losers – in fact is powerless to pick winners and losers. Winners pick themselves. You could abolish the public school system entirely (as you seem to favor) and these kids would STILL be winners and the losers would still be losers no matter how much education is lavished upon them. But investing public $ in the winners is good policy – these kids will grow up to pay far more in taxes than is spent educating them.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Travis
    Yet other schools districts which segregate their students via "testing" would be quickly sued by the federal government and any such attempts to segregate the Black students from the whites would be banned. Even if the "segregation" occurs in the same school , tracking of students by abilities it not permuted here in New Jersey.

    “Eliminating tracking is necessary because (the district’s) current practice has a disparate, negative impact on students of color,” the complaint read. The tracking derived “from school and district policies and practices that systematically favor and encourage the enrollment of white students in AP courses, while funneling black and Hispanic students into lower-level remedial courses.

    The Obama justice department came down on the School districts here in New Jersey which used testing as justification for segregating students by ability, which resulted in AP classes which were 70% White and 16% Black in a school which is 55% White and 45% Black.

    https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-announces-resolution-south-orange-maplewood-nj-school-di
    U.S. Department of Education Announces Resolution of South Orange-Maplewood, N.J., School District Civil Rights Investigation. Black Students to be Afforded Equal Access to Advanced, Higher-Level Learning Opportunities. the School district agreed to eliminate tracking and allow all students to enroll in AP classes to settle with the US Department of Education.

    The DoE and advocates have said tracking perpetuates a modern system of segregation that favors white students and keeps students of color, many of them black, from long-term equal achievement. Now the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights is trying to change the system, one school district at a time. https://qz.com/289843/60-years-late-the-us-is-finally-trying-to-desegregate-its-classrooms/
  61. @Buzz Mohawk
    In Dan Brown's novel, Inferno, someone creates a virus that randomly sterilizes one-third of humanity to reign in population growth.

    It must have been the zeitgeist, because I had the same idea months before the book was published -- but the virus was designed to be choosy in what kinds of humans it would sterilize. Many other people must have thought of the same thing. It's probably appeared in lots of science fiction stories over the years.

    One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    reign in [sic]

    Rein in. No monarchs involved.

  62. @bomag
    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?

    My area had an influx of Mennonite/Amish around 20 years ago, sects that only educate their kids through the eighth grade. They seem healthier and happier than the locals -- by a ways. Four years of high school apparently is actively damaging kids.

    But competitive parents need a battleground, so let's make math and literature part of a club sport network akin to soccer and hockey, where parents and their minions can do battle with conjunctives; and convergent series; for slots in the pro leagues of research institutions.

    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?

    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous … and sadly typical.

    We aren’t a nation anymore so “public education” makes even less sense.

    Conservatives should be pushing vouchers for the obvious reasons:
    — stop the leftist indoctrination of their kids
    — teach our kids within our–Western Christian–culture and tradition
    — allow our kids to escape from the riff-raff
    — defund a massive leftist make-work employment project.

    But also to free us from this Fordist model and allow some actual innovation. Even within the broad “show up a school” model, we can do a lot better. And incredibly better for boys who are very poorly served by the increasingly feminized school system.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Whenever the topic of vouchers comes up, I think the following:

    1) Vouchers in effect would allow parents to apply the school budget portion of their property tax burden toward paying for schools other than the usual public ones. It's their money and their children. Fair enough.

    2) As a couple without children, my wife and I still pay (exorbitant) property taxes to pay for the public schools that other people send their kids too. We have no choice but to pay for something we do not use. We understand that this is a community thing and that we are part of the community.

    3) If you are going to give some people back their money so they can pay it somewhere else, then you must also give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit. Just like those parents, we are not sending anybody to the public schools. They would not be paying for the public schools that they do not use, so why should we?

    This is a big financial topic, because roughy half of my five-figure annual property tax bill pays for public schools. I want a voucher for that half -- if you are going to give my neighbor one.

    , @Jesse
    Oh, bullshit. All vouchers will do is destroy white parents' ability to control the school environment, most notably the racial composition.

    And you're delusional if you think it's going to get kids educated in a more traditional manner. There's no parental demand for it. There's certainly no demand for religious education. Otherwise the parochial schools, which BTW are being *killed* by charters, wouldn't be shuttering.

    How exactly do you intend to get teachers, in a country with a massive shortage, anyway, without the pay, benefits, holidays etc? Most teachers are...good. With the usual distribution. You get your plan, a shortage turns into a drought.

    Americans *like* public education. It's a subsidy for having kids. That's why they don't resent paying taxes for it. White, middle class parents, who have spent big for a house in a "good" school district, will be baying for blood if you then destroy everything they worked for - a system that, remember, most people have very positive views of. Even people who think the system as a whole is a shambles speak warmly of their own kids' schools.

    As much fun as it is to talk about screwing over whites on the opposite end of the political spectrum, that very glee is why white nationalism will never take off. Even its most ardent adherents won't go for it in real life. Otherwise you wouldn't be so interested in destroying a very popular system, to the point of jeopardizing your chance of getting (more) grankids.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous … and sadly typical.
     
    Schools have become fantastically wasteful make work projects for adults.

    The average school district spends about $13,500 per kid. (And that's just operating expenses not capital or facilities). If they are lucky, schools have no more than about 25 kids per classroom. That works out to $337,500 per classroom per year.

    A well-paid, full time teacher probably costs about $75,000, including benefits.

    So where does the other $262,500 per year go?
    , @Anonymousse
    Vouchers would be the left’s camel nose in the religious school tent. “Well... since you’re taking ‘government’ money it’s only reasonable that you meet public school standards... we’ve noticed you’re not really following our new Gender Curriculum for example...”

    Any entanglement with the state is going to be an opportunity for them to exert control. Better to keep as far from them and their (OUR) money as possible

    , @Jordi
    This is a 100% obvious solution.

    I think that a Republican politician has nothing to lose by attacking public schools (or fully cut any public school funding), and especially attacking failed public schools. Despite voter apathy, giving their kids a correct education is one of the rare things that will mobilize middle class voters.

    One of the issues with the current situation, though, is that the current system set out a few safety valves so that upper-middle class parents can save their kids from the school system. In order to prevent them from trying to overthrow it (and instead, many support a school system that prevents privileged kids facing competition from kids with pooorer social background).

  63. @Anon
    Baroque harpsichord immersion schools.

    Square dance immersion schools.

    Schools that require uniforms that include trousers that belt at the true waist.

    Whatever happened to Latin high schools? They can read the part in the Gallic Wars about how Caesar enslaved entire cities and sold them to slave merchants.

    Nutritionally balanced gourmet vegan meals for those on the National School Lunch Program.

    It’s interesting these schools existed for a time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finishing_school

    • Replies: @Anon
    In Japan many girls are sent to tea ceremony classes or kimono schools, whose ulterior motive seems to be the same as finishing schools.

    There are manners schools in the U.S., and in fact are popular with many middle class black families, where you learn how to dress, move, speak, eat at a formal dinner, and the like.
  64. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    “2044:

    Mayor Dante de Blasio announced at today’s press conference…”

    Right. Like there’s going to be a NYC in 2044.

    But seriously folks.

    NYC 2044.

    Who even wants to imagine it?

    Too depressing.

    It’s already a ghost of its former self.

  65. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/Dr_Memory/status/1165420905629192192

    Well at least they can’t escape.

    • Replies: @eah
    No child should have to go to school in a shit building like that -- fucking hell man, what kind of school board would allow a monstrosity like that to be built? -- here is a school near me:

    https://gruberpopp.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/GPA_OFFE_Ansicht_Fassade-1920x1282.jpg
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Modern urban schools are deliberately designed with the office in the middle and corridors radiating outward. Just like a modern prison.

    So they can watch everybody.

    Come to think of it, that's how Haussmann designed Paris. For similar reasons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Eug%C3%A8ne_Haussmann#The_debate_about_the_military_function_of_Haussmann's_boulevards
    , @J.Ross
    "Bartholomew Cubbins, the years you spend at the Terwilliker Academy of Music will be the happiest of your life. Don't try to escape. The barbed wite fence surrounding the compound is electrified."
  66. @AnotherDad

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.
     
    You're on the ground, so i'll take your word for it.

    I would have thought there were still more blacks around, and, with Steve, that the blacks have no use for Spanish and take French.

    ~~

    I did French in HS and have pretty much regarded it as a mistake since.

    From a practical point of view Spanish seems like the clear choice in the US for this past generation. Internally the bi-lingual thing doesn't stop and the Democrats have gone full loon on having a border. English is tractable throughout Europe, while the Spanish left behind an entire empire. No one actually wants to go to where the French had their empire (with a few exceptions).

    (Of course Chinese seems pretty sensible given what's coming, assuming the HS kid in question can make some actual progress with it.)

    For most Americans, foreign language skill are not career essentials. Given that they already speak the global lingua franca, other languages are nice to have and can be useful in certain niches but they don’t change career outcomes for most people. So it really doesn’t make a difference if you learn Spanish or French or Chinese or fading German or whatever – you’ll be fine no matter which one you pick.

    Chinese is good for people who have the brains for it, but not everyone does. For more average kids, Spanish is probably the better choice. Not all languages are equally difficult to learn coming from English. Chinese ranks among the more difficult with its unfamiliar tonal system and character based writing system (although the grammar is rather simple – no need to conjugate verbs). Spanish is much easier because English speakers already know some of the Latin roots and because spelling is very easy to master (although not so easy that I don’t see menus in Mexican restaurants full of spelling mistakes).

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    For most Americans, foreign language skill are not career essentials.
     
    As i used to say, explaining America to my fellow grad students arriving from foreign lands--

    "Welcome to the Big Island"
    , @keuril

    Chinese ranks among the more difficult with its unfamiliar tonal system and character based writing system (although the grammar is rather simple – no need to conjugate verbs).
     
    This bit about the grammar might be true if morphological complexity were the only way that languages could be simple or complex. But often what morphological simplicity gives, syntactic complexity takes away—it’s almost like there is some constant degree of complexity that must exist in any language or it would cease to perform its basic function of communicating information with any degree of usefulness.

    In other words, you can get away with a low level of inflection (conjugations, declensions, etc) as long as you have very complicated rules about how words must be arranged or otherwise marked (for their grammatical roles) in a sentence. This is the case for English as well—not even the simplest of gender distinctions remains in common nouns, and verb conjugations are pretty simple. But instead there are many pesky rules about how words must be ordered, and new auxiliary verbs sprout up for even more complications. Why nobody understands that?

    The same thing applies for Chinese. Western learners generally have a tough time with Chinese grammar, and the ones who claim there is no grammar are just demonstrating they don’t know the first thing about it.

  67. @Kronos
    It’s like those old school film villains that plan to unleash a deadly virus on the world. But they possess the only vaccine/cure in case of accidental self-infection. But are white liberals smart enough to create the cure before releasing the virus most of the time?

    The easiest and most effective way of unleashing a deadly virus would be to make rigorous thinking, consistent reasoning, and cautious judgment mandatory across all subjects; as well as making virtue signaling punishable by death.

  68. @AnotherDad

    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?
     
    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous ... and sadly typical.

    We aren't a nation anymore so "public education" makes even less sense.

    Conservatives should be pushing vouchers for the obvious reasons:
    -- stop the leftist indoctrination of their kids
    -- teach our kids within our--Western Christian--culture and tradition
    -- allow our kids to escape from the riff-raff
    -- defund a massive leftist make-work employment project.

    But also to free us from this Fordist model and allow some actual innovation. Even within the broad "show up a school" model, we can do a lot better. And incredibly better for boys who are very poorly served by the increasingly feminized school system.

    Whenever the topic of vouchers comes up, I think the following:

    1) Vouchers in effect would allow parents to apply the school budget portion of their property tax burden toward paying for schools other than the usual public ones. It’s their money and their children. Fair enough.

    2) As a couple without children, my wife and I still pay (exorbitant) property taxes to pay for the public schools that other people send their kids too. We have no choice but to pay for something we do not use. We understand that this is a community thing and that we are part of the community.

    3) If you are going to give some people back their money so they can pay it somewhere else, then you must also give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit. Just like those parents, we are not sending anybody to the public schools. They would not be paying for the public schools that they do not use, so why should we?

    This is a big financial topic, because roughy half of my five-figure annual property tax bill pays for public schools. I want a voucher for that half — if you are going to give my neighbor one.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Buzz, sorry you and your bride don't have kids. We're empty nesters ourselves and paying big tax bills to two separate school systems neither of which we have kids in.

    But i don't agree with your logic here. It's actually related to the nonsense you hear from teachers' unions about "public school dollars".

    No, these are just "taxes". The the purpose of those tax dollars is not "public schools", it is to educate the communty's children--which has all sorts of positive downstream benefits. But it should be done as effectively and efficiently as possible. Children educated as well as possible at least possible cost.


    A fine argument over "how much" education--fine. But i don't find anything compelling about "must be in our excessively bureaucratic, full of well-compensated and ridiculously well pensioned staffers, public school".

    If that's compelling, logically we should toss Pell Grants, student loans, GI bill--and send all those folks to their designated "public college". Medicare and Medicaid patients go to "Medicare/caid hospitals". Cancel social secuity and just have seniors head to their "Public retirement center". Cancel food stamps--"Public cafeteria". And stop cash welfare and pack those single mothers into "Public dormitories for improvident single mothers" where the can be carefully watched and birthcontrol is mandatory. (Hmm, kinda like that last one.)
    , @Abolish_public_education
    Government workers and contractors, who pay to send their own kids to private schools, are benefiting from a voucher system.

    Think about it.
    , @bomag

    ...give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit.
     
    I suppose the logic here is that you could apply your share somewhere else in the education system.
  69. @Anonymous

    Mayor Dante de Blasio announced at today’s press conference: “Hey, wait a minute! I just figured out something about the profusion of Slovak Language Magnet Schools on the Upper West Side and in Park Slope. They’re a scam for high IQ hapa Asian-whites to avoid regular Afro-Latinx public schools!
     
    Dante is correct. These schools are a scam and should not exist. Let privileged parents foot the bill if they want special separate education for little privileged Johnny, David, or Henry.

    … Johnny, David, or Henry.

    I hate to pry, but what century are you living in, #165? It’d be Tanner, Tyler, or Conner. Last names are now first names. It’s the current-era, man!

  70. @Anonymous

    For the kids’ brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth.
     
    Citation needed.

    “Cause I said so – Part 2”, from Journal of Experience pp. 212 – 217.

    Achmed E. Newman, et al,, August 26th, ’19

  71. It would be convenient for me to buy a house in the Bronx given where I work, but I will not even consider it because of the insanity that could happen to New York city’s public schools. I will grit my teeth and pay Westchester property taxes for a school system that diversity hucksters will have a heck of a time fighting.

  72. Meanwhile…

    The purge continues:

    VDARE TV was purged from YouTube, despite never breaking the TOS.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks--including some folks with a little cash--who can setup these services.

    Patronizing the people who hate us--want to genocide our nations--doesn't seem like a good idea even if they weren't deplatforming us.
  73. @SunBakedSuburb
    Related to the dying drama queen known as New York City: Good news! Tee-Hee Coates has a new book coming out. I know this because Amazon keeps sending recommendations to me which feature Man-Boy's novel even though the books I've bought are light-years away from any kind of negro navel-gazing. Taki's must send special correspondent Steve Sailer to a Tee-Hee book signing in Brooklyn. There Steve can soak in the ambience of Tee-Hee's kingdom and take notes as Tee-Hee's fanbase -- progressive white women and their eunuch boyfriends -- worshipfully absorb every wise word emitted from Tee-Hee's precious black body. Steve can title his essay Radical Chic Redux.

    What you ran into with the amzn. recommendation, SBS, is no longer a bug. That’s a feature now. Don’t bother to send a complaint email, as you are no longer the customer – the Orwellian State is. They will decide on what you will read, thankyouverymuch.

  74. (Someone who would natively speak Slovak would be called a Slovak.)

  75. @Buzz Mohawk
    Whenever the topic of vouchers comes up, I think the following:

    1) Vouchers in effect would allow parents to apply the school budget portion of their property tax burden toward paying for schools other than the usual public ones. It's their money and their children. Fair enough.

    2) As a couple without children, my wife and I still pay (exorbitant) property taxes to pay for the public schools that other people send their kids too. We have no choice but to pay for something we do not use. We understand that this is a community thing and that we are part of the community.

    3) If you are going to give some people back their money so they can pay it somewhere else, then you must also give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit. Just like those parents, we are not sending anybody to the public schools. They would not be paying for the public schools that they do not use, so why should we?

    This is a big financial topic, because roughy half of my five-figure annual property tax bill pays for public schools. I want a voucher for that half -- if you are going to give my neighbor one.

    Buzz, sorry you and your bride don’t have kids. We’re empty nesters ourselves and paying big tax bills to two separate school systems neither of which we have kids in.

    But i don’t agree with your logic here. It’s actually related to the nonsense you hear from teachers’ unions about “public school dollars”.

    No, these are just “taxes”. The the purpose of those tax dollars is not “public schools”, it is to educate the communty’s children–which has all sorts of positive downstream benefits. But it should be done as effectively and efficiently as possible. Children educated as well as possible at least possible cost.

    A fine argument over “how much” education–fine. But i don’t find anything compelling about “must be in our excessively bureaucratic, full of well-compensated and ridiculously well pensioned staffers, public school”.

    If that’s compelling, logically we should toss Pell Grants, student loans, GI bill–and send all those folks to their designated “public college”. Medicare and Medicaid patients go to “Medicare/caid hospitals”. Cancel social secuity and just have seniors head to their “Public retirement center”. Cancel food stamps–“Public cafeteria”. And stop cash welfare and pack those single mothers into “Public dormitories for improvident single mothers” where the can be carefully watched and birthcontrol is mandatory. (Hmm, kinda like that last one.)

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Your argument is certainly sound. I will just respectfully address one aspect of it by offering my perspective:

    You say,

    No, these are just “taxes”. The the purpose of those tax dollars is not “public schools”, it is to educate the communty’s children...
     
    That is correct, but I can have some say in what our public schools do with my money. I can run for the school board, for example. Also, in my town residents vote on the school budget every year and can speak at town meetings about it.

    Whereas, I have no say in the functioning of the private schools to which my neighbor would send his kids with our collective tax money. My property taxes would subsidize his voucher, but I would have no influence over what those schools do and how they educate the community's children. That is taxation without representation.

    He would have some influence over the private schools, by virtue of being their customer, while I would not. He therefore would have a power that I would not have, at my expense.

    I am not against school vouchers, but if my money is being used to subsidize them, and it would be, then I want my money back.

    My argument is not against your preference for private schools and freedom to decide how to spend your money for your children's education. Public schools are an iStevey joke, but they weren't always that. The only reason we are discussing vouchers is because something needs to be fixed. Vouchers would enable us to avoid the problem rather than fix it.

    It's either that, or let's scrap public schools altogether -- and make people pay for their own children's education. You could get me to support that.
    , @Anonymous

    The purpose of those tax dollars is not “public schools”, it is to educate the communty’s children–which has all sorts of positive downstream benefits.
     
    Does it though?
  76. @Jack D
    For most Americans, foreign language skill are not career essentials. Given that they already speak the global lingua franca, other languages are nice to have and can be useful in certain niches but they don't change career outcomes for most people. So it really doesn't make a difference if you learn Spanish or French or Chinese or fading German or whatever - you'll be fine no matter which one you pick.

    Chinese is good for people who have the brains for it, but not everyone does. For more average kids, Spanish is probably the better choice. Not all languages are equally difficult to learn coming from English. Chinese ranks among the more difficult with its unfamiliar tonal system and character based writing system (although the grammar is rather simple - no need to conjugate verbs). Spanish is much easier because English speakers already know some of the Latin roots and because spelling is very easy to master (although not so easy that I don't see menus in Mexican restaurants full of spelling mistakes).

    For most Americans, foreign language skill are not career essentials.

    As i used to say, explaining America to my fellow grad students arriving from foreign lands–

    “Welcome to the Big Island”

  77. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    Wow! Incredible graphics. Mucho gratias.

    • Replies: @Carol
    Mucho gratias


    Another one who didn't take Spanish
  78. @syonredux
    Meanwhile...


    The purge continues:

    VDARE TV was purged from YouTube, despite never breaking the TOS.
     
    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1166349129158660097

    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks–including some folks with a little cash–who can setup these services.

    Patronizing the people who hate us–want to genocide our nations–doesn’t seem like a good idea even if they weren’t deplatforming us.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?
     
    More complicated than that. YOUTUBE is part of the public square; it attracts audiences that are unaware of sites like VDARE. Being banned by YOUTUBE is a kind of social death. You're no longer part of the discourse.
    , @snorlax

    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks–including some folks with a little cash–who can setup these services.
     
    It isn't hard. Indeed, there are a number of such sites. You have never heard of them. That's what's hard.
    , @BenKenobi
    Money just lying on the table.

    A good troll for the rollout of such a website would be saying the new web service offers a “right of return” to the internet.

    , @scrivener3
    I could host you. Your stuff would be accessible by anyone worldwide with assess to the Internet. But unless you are on Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Instagram, how would anyone find you?

    Actually it is not a bad idea to have your own pages on a private system and then promote it on the social media along with posting content to social media - then when you get big enough to be cut off by social media hopefully you will have enough people aware of your private pages to keep reading you and grow from there. I would read Porter and Heartsie if they had a private presence and I discovered them on social media

  79. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    Hail Cæsar! Fun link. Thanks man.

  80. the future is more like another 500 thousand annoying lifelong democrats moving out of New York to republican states, for ‘good schools’, and to keep voting democrat, so they can repeat the process over and over.

  81. @Jack D

    They seem healthier and happier than the locals — by a ways. Four years of high school apparently is actively damaging kids.
     
    The actual reason for Amish health and happiness is buggy driving. If Americans would only give up their cars and switch back to buggies, they would be as healthy and happy as the Amish. Or perhaps I am confusing correlation with causation.

    The Amish have their niche and I am glad that they have it. They came here to be left alone and America to its everlasting credit has for the most part left them alone. It remains to be seen if the Left will be able to resist interfering with them in the future - they violate so many Leftist tenets. But their model is not extensible to a whole society. When the Amish fall sick, they have to go to a real doctor (if they want to live). The US is not part of the Empire of Japan or the USSR because people other than the Amish were willing to die to defend it. And so on.

    The Amish always intrigued me. For a time I lived in an area, Miami County, Ohio which contained numerous Amish, not only that sect but also Mennonites and Dunkards. Their conservatism differed only in degree with the Amish being most conservative. This showed in their farming methods in which Amish used horses extensively but the Mennonites and Dunkards used powered equipment at times. They were primarily farmers and it was obvious they owned the richest farming land. I haven’t been back to that area in many years and I suppose things have changed. Where I live in Texas there is a large community of Mennonites, many seem to be in the building trades. All good honest hard workers, salt of the earth so to speak.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    The left can't afford to leave the Amish and the like alone - and, frankly, I sympathize.

    They are doubling in numbers. The Mennonites are hemorrhaging members - to the Evangelicals, where they are quickly taking over.

    Now, as much admiration as the con's have for them, the future if they get stuck in is bleak. At what stage does a wilfully uneducated population, with the same rates of abuse as other churches, which is so inbred it's essentially starting new congenital illnesses seem like a good idea?

    Remember, these people are not going to be the ones treating and finding cures for their illnesses. (And yes, this also applies to the ultra Orthodox Jews. They're also awful, but no one is cooing over them.)

    And remember, they're buying into the Invite the World bullshit as much as anyone else. They're the ones telling Evangelicals that stealing other people's kids, especially the black ones, is an act of god. They're the exact same as the other churches, just more fecund.
    , @Cloudbuster
    We have a lot of drunkards in my rural Ohio county, too! Oh, wait, nevermind....
  82. @AnotherDad
    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks--including some folks with a little cash--who can setup these services.

    Patronizing the people who hate us--want to genocide our nations--doesn't seem like a good idea even if they weren't deplatforming us.

    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    More complicated than that. YOUTUBE is part of the public square; it attracts audiences that are unaware of sites like VDARE. Being banned by YOUTUBE is a kind of social death. You’re no longer part of the discourse.

  83. @Buzz Mohawk
    Why not just have magnet apps? Who needs brick and mortarboard schools anymore?

    Who needs brick and mortarboard schools anymore?

    Heh.

    Online instruction is exceptional, what with Khan Academy et al, youtube and such.

    Most communities still center quite a bit of community life around schools; and the formal aspects of school are still valued.

    But that can certainly change as costs go up, and formal schooling becomes more a propaganda mill.

    Back to church as the center of community life?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Churches, social clubs, and gun clubs.
  84. @Jack D

    They seem healthier and happier than the locals — by a ways. Four years of high school apparently is actively damaging kids.
     
    The actual reason for Amish health and happiness is buggy driving. If Americans would only give up their cars and switch back to buggies, they would be as healthy and happy as the Amish. Or perhaps I am confusing correlation with causation.

    The Amish have their niche and I am glad that they have it. They came here to be left alone and America to its everlasting credit has for the most part left them alone. It remains to be seen if the Left will be able to resist interfering with them in the future - they violate so many Leftist tenets. But their model is not extensible to a whole society. When the Amish fall sick, they have to go to a real doctor (if they want to live). The US is not part of the Empire of Japan or the USSR because people other than the Amish were willing to die to defend it. And so on.

    I used to live on Okinawa, home to some of the longest-lived people in the world. This is remarkable when you consider that the elderly people on the island went through a close approximation to Dante’s Inferno in 1945, with the IJA serving as the resident demons. You’d expect massive rates of PTSD and alcoholism after that, akin to the sad conditions of many of Seattle’s ethnic Khmer immigrants, as a contrasting example. But they are nevertheless happier and healthier than their grandchildren. Part of this is the reasons you’d expect: healthier diet, more exercise, yadda yadda. Part of it is culture. Part of it is postwar conditions. But the key factor really subtler than that. If you have a purpose in life, you are a lot likely to live longer and be happier. That, and-here is where the Amish likely share this in common with the Okinawans-this is usually tied into being actively integrated into life in your own community, one that you innately just feel a part of. Aristotle once called man an innately political creature. Taking the ancient Greek at face value: that doesn’t mean being a politician, it simply means a man being part of a polis. Take away the polis, give men nothing except their own desires and whims to live for (and make no mistake, it’ll be the men who are both not cared about by others and are more inclined to not care about others)…

    I’m at a loss to understand why a truth that almost every society has understood innately some level requires whole newspaper articles to even address in the modern United States when discussing social rot.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    I used to live on Okinawa, home to some of the longest-lived people in the world. This is remarkable when you consider that the elderly people on the island went through a close approximation to Dante’s Inferno in 1945, with the IJA serving as the resident demons.
     
    In the vein of Steve's recent post on (alleged) centenarians, I suspect the latter has a lot to do with the former: Men assuming the identity of an older relative to avoid being drafted into the IJA/IJN.
    , @Jack D
    I know a Vietnamese kid who had two grannies. One of them made it to America in the postwar exodus and one never left.

    On paper, the one who was here was much better off - she had her own air conditioned private apartment and access to Western healthcare and USDA inspected meat and so on. Vietnam's GDP per capita is less than $2,500 (and that's higher than it used to be) so even the poorest pensioner in America is much better off than the average Vietnamese.

    Granny #2 lived in the family compound in a small coastal city in southern Vietnam. There is no real privacy - there's no air conditioning, just some electric fans and mostly you live semi-outdoors in the (not very spacious) covered courtyard and people are constantly coming and going and passing by all day - not just family members but friends and neighbors. The neighborhood is densely packed - there's barely an alleyway between houses, which are packed 10 rows deep between the streets like sardines in a can. No one waits for a invitation - friends and neighbors wander in and out of the house all day, which is just inches from the public alley anyway. Maybe your neighbor has just bought a durian and wants to give you some or maybe they just want to shoot the shit and kill time. Everyone has known each other for generations - crime is unthinkable, not that there's much to steal. It might be hard to sleep even if you went upstairs because downstairs people would be having a Buddhist prayer service or cheering a soccer match on the TV which is playing too loud. Naturally granny, for as long as she was able, was expected to pitch in with the kitchen chores, kept her eye on the grandchildren, etc.

    Granny #1's kids lived in their own homes. Some were in the same city, others were all over the globe - wherever the winds of war had scattered them. They were not neglectful but they worked hard at their jobs and didn't have much time to see granny except on weekends and even then they had to juggle between their own kids and grandma.

    Guess which granny was happier?

    But how do you ever get back to the situation of having an organic community of family and neighbors like Granny #2 once that is gone? How do you have that without the grinding poverty to go along with it? Would you really trade for Granny #2's life?
  85. @Anon
    In Los Angeles you can sometimes get out of a speeding ticket by taking a few-hour class in traffic safety. Originally off duty cops would lead classes that concentrated on showing gruesome accident videos. Then an entrepreneur got the idea to organize classes led by struggling comedians, which were more entertaining.

    Since I was studying Japanese I went in another direction and signed up to take the class in Japanese. It turned out that the teacher was Chinese, who could speak a little Japanese, and the class was supposed to be bilingual. All the other students were Chinese. To his credit the teacher every once in a while said something to me in Japanese, but most of the time I had no clue what was being talked about.

    Nevertheless, it was enough to keep my driving record clean.

    Haha, that comment is right in my wheelhouse, #280! I’ve been to traffic schools 3 times, and I am a much better driver for having spent 2 evenings watching the playoffs and talking about how not to get tickets once already pulled over. At least the Highway Department reckoned I was better, having rehabilitated myself.

    Your story is hilarious to me. and I’m sure you’re much safer on the road, now that you’ve been instructed by a Chinaman speaking Japanese working for The State. I want your story that to my blog as an addendum to “Good luck streak in Traffic School”. Is that OK with you?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Go ahead.

    I think all these alternative traffic school classes may be operated by third parties licensed by the authorities, rather than being run directly by the state. Hence the creativity.

  86. @Zoodles
    I hope all these schools are blessed with Vibrant Diversity. Our natural overlords need to be confronted with America 2.

    African and Puerto Rican kids especially should be sent to all the schools, including the private schools, in the neighborhoods where the traitorous big Machers live in West LA, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Malibu, Washington DC’s Georgetown, and of course all of Manhattan NYC, Silicon Valley, and the Gaza Strip in Florida.

    The diversity will be their strength.

  87. @bomag

    Who needs brick and mortarboard schools anymore?
     
    Heh.

    Online instruction is exceptional, what with Khan Academy et al, youtube and such.

    Most communities still center quite a bit of community life around schools; and the formal aspects of school are still valued.

    But that can certainly change as costs go up, and formal schooling becomes more a propaganda mill.

    Back to church as the center of community life?

    Churches, social clubs, and gun clubs.

  88. @istevefan
    OT - But here is an example of the mindset we are dealing with in the boomer population. This guy is 120% pro-Trump BTW:

    https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1165986035156705285

    What a moron. He thinks that is more important than America becoming white minority? These boomers types are living in an alternate universe where minorities are ever increasingly pro-Trump. On their boomer sites they are constantly passing around fake news about “40% of the blacks support Trump.”

  89. @Oddsbodkins
    People generally breed slower in cities, both in the first and the third world. This is what progress looks like.

    Not to be too harsh, but in practice, offering large cash payments to induce the usa’s big-city populations to voluntarily sterilize themselves, would be progress for all other people here. This could be tubal ligation or vasectomy at their option.

    What a wonderful cascading series of benefits, without anything more complicated or intrusive than that. With no violence and no coercion.

    FAR fewer murders, fewer women brutalized by rape, fewer vehicles so less air pollution, less food stamp and Medicaid and other welfare dependency, fewer prison guards and “social workers”, less crowded hospitals, safer schools and streets, less fear and tension in public places, safer more pleasant and widely used mass transit (again less pollution), eventually perhaps fewer prosecutors and probation officers. And on and on.

    All peacefully, and the law would not be racially discriminatory.

    Any resident of a particularly large or overcrowded and/or relatively heavily polluted city, would be eligible.

    Not hard to use air-pollution measurements and population density statistics to determine eligibility fairly and neutrally. It makes sense to encourage people in already polluted, overcrowded areas not to exacerbate the health and social problems that come by further increasing the population in that region.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    All peacefully, and the law would not be racially discriminatory.
     
    Why a law? Why not private-- and quiet-- donations?

    That would be easier to initiate, and harder to stop.
  90. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    This seems to be the future but “nature always finds a way”–in this case to curb excess population growth. Stay tuned.

  91. @Prosa123
    The best languages for students to learn in high school: Python, Ruby and SQL.

    and Mandarin.

  92. @AnotherDad
    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks--including some folks with a little cash--who can setup these services.

    Patronizing the people who hate us--want to genocide our nations--doesn't seem like a good idea even if they weren't deplatforming us.

    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks–including some folks with a little cash–who can setup these services.

    It isn’t hard. Indeed, there are a number of such sites. You have never heard of them. That’s what’s hard.

    • Replies: @Lot
    A decent web programmer can have a video streaming site up and running in one hour. It is all off the shelf.

    It can’t be supported by ads however, because video bandwidth is too expensive. Youtube loses money despite having access to Google’s ad sale platform.

    The sites that appear to be YT alternatives have malware “ads.”

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.
  93. @Jill
    There is nothing left to destroy in New York public schools.

    Now they plan to scrap the Regents Tests: Anyway it was all a lie

    "The graduation rate continues to slowly edge up, but stubborn gaps in achievement persist — gaps that separate students of color, students with disabilities, English language learners, and low-income students from their peers who are white and attend school in low-need districts," Betty Rosa, the Regents chancellor, wrote in February.

    "And Regents exams have been knocked because they are essentially graded on a curve to get to the 65 passing grade. For example, the raw points needed to get a 65 grade on the Algebra I exam last spring was a 28, according to the state Education Department."

    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2019/07/25/regents-exams-new-york-how-century-old-test-may-scrapped-ended-elia-rosa/1825691001/


    June 2018 Algebra I Regents Exam

    https://mathbitsnotebook.com/Algebra1/RegentsExams/A1June2018.pdf

    It’s unlikely that even the slash and burn methods used by DeBlasio’s hispanic education czar will destroy Stuyvesant High School, the Bronx High School of Science or Brooklyn Tech. The student bodies of those three schools are overwhelmingly high achieving asian kids. And those kids are backed up by ferocious parents who will fight tooth and nail (as they already are fighting) against dilution of both curricula and student makeup in those schools.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    My kids point out to me that there are two kinds of kids in their schools: kids with a future and kids without a future. The former have to be very careful of their Permanent Record. The latter don’t care.

    Stuy, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech are pretty much 100% kids with a future.

    Generally the parents of kids with a future will fight to the bitter end for their kids’ education.

    De Blasio would be looking at unrest that would make the current Hong Kong protests seem tame.
  94. @nebulafox
    I used to live on Okinawa, home to some of the longest-lived people in the world. This is remarkable when you consider that the elderly people on the island went through a close approximation to Dante's Inferno in 1945, with the IJA serving as the resident demons. You'd expect massive rates of PTSD and alcoholism after that, akin to the sad conditions of many of Seattle's ethnic Khmer immigrants, as a contrasting example. But they are nevertheless happier and healthier than their grandchildren. Part of this is the reasons you'd expect: healthier diet, more exercise, yadda yadda. Part of it is culture. Part of it is postwar conditions. But the key factor really subtler than that. If you have a purpose in life, you are a lot likely to live longer and be happier. That, and-here is where the Amish likely share this in common with the Okinawans-this is usually tied into being actively integrated into life in your own community, one that you innately just feel a part of. Aristotle once called man an innately political creature. Taking the ancient Greek at face value: that doesn't mean being a politician, it simply means a man being part of a polis. Take away the polis, give men nothing except their own desires and whims to live for (and make no mistake, it'll be the men who are both not cared about by others and are more inclined to not care about others)...

    I'm at a loss to understand why a truth that almost every society has understood innately some level requires whole newspaper articles to even address in the modern United States when discussing social rot.

    I used to live on Okinawa, home to some of the longest-lived people in the world. This is remarkable when you consider that the elderly people on the island went through a close approximation to Dante’s Inferno in 1945, with the IJA serving as the resident demons.

    In the vein of Steve’s recent post on (alleged) centenarians, I suspect the latter has a lot to do with the former: Men assuming the identity of an older relative to avoid being drafted into the IJA/IJN.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    If you see old people in Okinawa, it's clear that some of them are very old. The kind of old that you just can't fake, with inch deep wrinkles and no teeth. Maybe it's the tropical sun, but there's no faking that they are just OLD. Maybe not as old as it says on their papers, but they are plenty old and some of them have kids that are really old too so either they had those kids when they were children or else they are (almost) as old as they say they are. Many of them are surprisingly vigorous despite the fact that they are as wrinkled as prunes. Not being 50+lbs. overweight like most Americans keeps you more mobile (but the wrinkles show even more). Like every society, most of the really old ones are females and not male so presumably they were not draft evaders.
  95. @AnotherDad
    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks--including some folks with a little cash--who can setup these services.

    Patronizing the people who hate us--want to genocide our nations--doesn't seem like a good idea even if they weren't deplatforming us.

    Money just lying on the table.

    A good troll for the rollout of such a website would be saying the new web service offers a “right of return” to the internet.

  96. Raj Chetty recommends Hebrew be made mandatory in the worst performing urban schools across the United States.

    Why not bus the city kids to Hebrew schools?

  97. It’s really something how some people think that government assignment of 10% of the kids to not-totally-sucky, public schools (e.g. prisons for G&Ts) somehow justifies sentencing 90% of the kids to totally sucky, often physically dangerous schools.

  98. @Paleo Liberal
    Interesting about what language to choose.

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.

    The city is still half German, so in HS a lot of kids take German. A lot of the Asians take Chinese.

    Spanish classes are actually harder, since lots of native speakers.

    Interesting about what language to choose.

    Your kids were fortunate at this point in time to be born and raised as native English speakers, as English is currently the lingua Franca of business, entertainment, arts, and science. If they have the option, Mandarin Chinese is likely to be the next most useful for the foreseeable future.

    French is useful if you do business in France, Belgium, part of Switzerland, and a number of other Francophone dead-end countries. German is useless outside the DACH … Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, two of which still have substantial business sectors where you can get away speaking English but will find the language skills useful for shopping.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Chinese really is not that bad of a language to learn once you strip away the character system and the tones: it's *very* straightforward and logical compared to English, grammar-wise. If you ask someone in Mandarin whether they want a beer or not, it is literally "ni yao bu yao pijiu ma?" which is literally "you want no want beer?".

    (Next time a Chinese shopkeeper asks you a question sounding like that in English, keep in mind, that's how it would literally sound in Mandarin: he's not trying to be rude.)

    I think it is the character system that throws a lot of people off. It's fun once you get the hang of it, but I can get how it discourages casual learners. The tones can be annoying, but usually there's enough context in a sentence to understand what someone means, and the Chinese tend to very forgiving and slow with visibly non-Chinese people trying Mandarin.

  99. @nebulafox
    I used to live on Okinawa, home to some of the longest-lived people in the world. This is remarkable when you consider that the elderly people on the island went through a close approximation to Dante's Inferno in 1945, with the IJA serving as the resident demons. You'd expect massive rates of PTSD and alcoholism after that, akin to the sad conditions of many of Seattle's ethnic Khmer immigrants, as a contrasting example. But they are nevertheless happier and healthier than their grandchildren. Part of this is the reasons you'd expect: healthier diet, more exercise, yadda yadda. Part of it is culture. Part of it is postwar conditions. But the key factor really subtler than that. If you have a purpose in life, you are a lot likely to live longer and be happier. That, and-here is where the Amish likely share this in common with the Okinawans-this is usually tied into being actively integrated into life in your own community, one that you innately just feel a part of. Aristotle once called man an innately political creature. Taking the ancient Greek at face value: that doesn't mean being a politician, it simply means a man being part of a polis. Take away the polis, give men nothing except their own desires and whims to live for (and make no mistake, it'll be the men who are both not cared about by others and are more inclined to not care about others)...

    I'm at a loss to understand why a truth that almost every society has understood innately some level requires whole newspaper articles to even address in the modern United States when discussing social rot.

    I know a Vietnamese kid who had two grannies. One of them made it to America in the postwar exodus and one never left.

    On paper, the one who was here was much better off – she had her own air conditioned private apartment and access to Western healthcare and USDA inspected meat and so on. Vietnam’s GDP per capita is less than $2,500 (and that’s higher than it used to be) so even the poorest pensioner in America is much better off than the average Vietnamese.

    Granny #2 lived in the family compound in a small coastal city in southern Vietnam. There is no real privacy – there’s no air conditioning, just some electric fans and mostly you live semi-outdoors in the (not very spacious) covered courtyard and people are constantly coming and going and passing by all day – not just family members but friends and neighbors. The neighborhood is densely packed – there’s barely an alleyway between houses, which are packed 10 rows deep between the streets like sardines in a can. No one waits for a invitation – friends and neighbors wander in and out of the house all day, which is just inches from the public alley anyway. Maybe your neighbor has just bought a durian and wants to give you some or maybe they just want to shoot the shit and kill time. Everyone has known each other for generations – crime is unthinkable, not that there’s much to steal. It might be hard to sleep even if you went upstairs because downstairs people would be having a Buddhist prayer service or cheering a soccer match on the TV which is playing too loud. Naturally granny, for as long as she was able, was expected to pitch in with the kitchen chores, kept her eye on the grandchildren, etc.

    Granny #1’s kids lived in their own homes. Some were in the same city, others were all over the globe – wherever the winds of war had scattered them. They were not neglectful but they worked hard at their jobs and didn’t have much time to see granny except on weekends and even then they had to juggle between their own kids and grandma.

    Guess which granny was happier?

    But how do you ever get back to the situation of having an organic community of family and neighbors like Granny #2 once that is gone? How do you have that without the grinding poverty to go along with it? Would you really trade for Granny #2’s life?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    *Shrugs*. If I knew, I'd tell you. I mean, I have my suggestions, but they are probably all bad ones: you need someone who more intuitively relates and has experience with friendships and social ties to chime in here. I don't think robots would make a lonely old person less depressed.

    What I can say is that any attempt would also be potentially undermined by the sheer artificiality that it could bring. If you want to go skydiving at 90 years old GHWB-style, then it has to be because you want to do it, not because your kids are trying to not get you to focus on your dead wife of 60+ years.

    >Maybe it’s the tropical sun, but there’s no faking that they are just OLD.

    Many of them work outside, but as I alluded to, that probably contributed to their longevity more than anything. And yeah, there were a few century-old+ men hanging around and several in their 90s, but they were heavily outnumbered by the women, and the men who got that old usually had wives who were that old. It didn't work the other way around.

    (The oldsters understandably didn't talk much about their WWII experiences, but virtually everybody was conscripted to work for the IJA in some form or another. A common one for the women, especially ones in middle or high school at the time, was working as a hospital attendant in some of the caves. There was no escaping the Japanese in 1944, so the men weren't draft dodgers so much as they took whatever chance they could to escape when the battle came to an end, or they couldn't bring themselves to commit suicide and the Marines just sort of got them while they were in a paralyzed state of non-decision and shell shock... the accent is different enough that it is easy enough to tell them apart from the mainland Japanese.)

    It probably wouldn't surprise you that the ones who talked to us all deplored that their great-grandkids were getting more obese.

  100. @snorlax

    I used to live on Okinawa, home to some of the longest-lived people in the world. This is remarkable when you consider that the elderly people on the island went through a close approximation to Dante’s Inferno in 1945, with the IJA serving as the resident demons.
     
    In the vein of Steve's recent post on (alleged) centenarians, I suspect the latter has a lot to do with the former: Men assuming the identity of an older relative to avoid being drafted into the IJA/IJN.

    If you see old people in Okinawa, it’s clear that some of them are very old. The kind of old that you just can’t fake, with inch deep wrinkles and no teeth. Maybe it’s the tropical sun, but there’s no faking that they are just OLD. Maybe not as old as it says on their papers, but they are plenty old and some of them have kids that are really old too so either they had those kids when they were children or else they are (almost) as old as they say they are. Many of them are surprisingly vigorous despite the fact that they are as wrinkled as prunes. Not being 50+lbs. overweight like most Americans keeps you more mobile (but the wrinkles show even more). Like every society, most of the really old ones are females and not male so presumably they were not draft evaders.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Insofar as the pockets of longevity are real, there are plenty of common factors, but most are things we already knew, notably that these people don't retire. They cannot work like they did when they were younger (and it helps that these are cultures where elders are respected) but neither do they stop.
  101. @Kronos
    Well at least they can’t escape.

    No child should have to go to school in a shit building like that — fucking hell man, what kind of school board would allow a monstrosity like that to be built? — here is a school near me:

    • Replies: @eah
    Here's another one:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/120401-Steglitz-Dunant-Grundschule.JPG/1920px-120401-Steglitz-Dunant-Grundschule.JPG
    , @JimB
    Is that a school or a loony bin?
    , @Kronos
    Around my town there are two decommissioned schools that look similar. Schools 100 years ago had better style than now. The relatively new High School resembles a massive prison. Even has 20foot fencing with barbed wire (no joke.)
    , @Abolish_public_education
    The schools look like prisons, minus the orange uniforms (jumpsuits).

    I absolutely love it when the school principal (warden) orders a lockdown.
  102. @eah
    No child should have to go to school in a shit building like that -- fucking hell man, what kind of school board would allow a monstrosity like that to be built? -- here is a school near me:

    https://gruberpopp.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/GPA_OFFE_Ansicht_Fassade-1920x1282.jpg

    Here’s another one:

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    NYC's troublesome Bergtraum High is a brutalist botch

    https://nypost.com/2014/06/08/teacher-reveals-awful-conditions-at-murry-bergtraum-hs/

  103. @Barnard
    How will the run at controlling private schools be approached? Many of them are already run by diversity worshipers, but those that aren't have to know they will be threatened some time soon. These zealots aren't going to stop on their own. It will be an interesting conflict to watch.

    Oh, that battle’s been fought, baby. And the religious folks dun LOST.

    The religious bodies are now dependent on govt largesse. Some of that is a result of welfare reform, when the govt ameliorated the effects by moving people on welfare onto disability and to the religious charities (which the govt still funded, albeit at a lower rate).

    Some of it is down to ordinary people taking a fuckitol and tuning the churches out. Notice how desperate they are to import new members. They’re just as treasonous as the universities and the Chamber of Commerce.

    The end result is that they’ll do as they’re told, both because they’re so beholden and because they want the same things. Hell, they’re doing as they’re told right now, because if they get shirty Daddy Gubmint will stop funding them (and allowing themselves to get into that position was stupid it’s impossible to feel sorry for them). And they might have to – gasp! – pay taxes.

    The ordinary conservatives need to get over the idea that religious bodies are their friends. Ain’t no one coming to help you.

    Also, the reason you don’t hear too much about “education reform” these days is because the churches have FINALLY twigged that people don’t actually want to fund religious education, certainly not with taxpayer dollars. Inasmuch as they want it, they want to control the environment. And now that parochial schools can’t depend on nuns’ slave labor, it’s no longer a bargain. And now that they’re in full Invite the World mode, they refuse to control the environment.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  104. @AnotherDad
    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks--including some folks with a little cash--who can setup these services.

    Patronizing the people who hate us--want to genocide our nations--doesn't seem like a good idea even if they weren't deplatforming us.

    I could host you. Your stuff would be accessible by anyone worldwide with assess to the Internet. But unless you are on Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Instagram, how would anyone find you?

    Actually it is not a bad idea to have your own pages on a private system and then promote it on the social media along with posting content to social media – then when you get big enough to be cut off by social media hopefully you will have enough people aware of your private pages to keep reading you and grow from there. I would read Porter and Heartsie if they had a private presence and I discovered them on social media

  105. @AnotherDad

    The choices for middle school normally given in Madison are French and Spanish. Choosing French is what the better students normally do. Most of my kids took French.
     
    You're on the ground, so i'll take your word for it.

    I would have thought there were still more blacks around, and, with Steve, that the blacks have no use for Spanish and take French.

    ~~

    I did French in HS and have pretty much regarded it as a mistake since.

    From a practical point of view Spanish seems like the clear choice in the US for this past generation. Internally the bi-lingual thing doesn't stop and the Democrats have gone full loon on having a border. English is tractable throughout Europe, while the Spanish left behind an entire empire. No one actually wants to go to where the French had their empire (with a few exceptions).

    (Of course Chinese seems pretty sensible given what's coming, assuming the HS kid in question can make some actual progress with it.)

    I did French in HS and have pretty much regarded it as a mistake since.

    From a practical point of view Spanish seems like the clear choice in the US for this past generation.

    From a practical point of view, yes, probably. But, then, practically speaking, few English speakers really need any second language at all.

    When it comes to great literature that one might wish to be able to read in the original, French is the only (living) language that’s even playing in the same ballpark as English. Spanish, German, and even Italian are distant runners-up.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Sound observations, sir, with just this modification suggested: Spanish WILL be necessary, or difficult to do well without, in an ever-growing portion of the US.

    Many people who don’t live in ultra-Hispanic parts of the USA still underestimate the pervasive expansion of Spanish. In hundreds of small cities not normally considered “Mexican cities” or “Latino areas”, Spanish is widely supplementing and sometimes supplanting English.

    When Asian-immigrant restaurant and grocery owners greet you in Spanish, you know the process is dangerously advanced already.

    “Reconquista, It’s Not Just LA, Texas, and Miami Anymore.”

    German, French, Italian, yeah sadly these beautiful and accomplished languages — two of them my family's ancestral languages — are less worth learning as their people largely have decided to simply die off.
  106. @Jack D
    You are totally wrong about this. The middle classes pay heavily to support the public school system with their taxes and it is right and proper that they should be able to get something back for their tax dollars. It is the job of every school system to educate each of their students to their full potential for as many years as that system teaches. This means that for the brightest students (whom, in NY are not necessarily rich or even middle class - the G&T schools of NY are filled with Asian immigrant kids whose parents work in restaurants and other menial occupations) they should be allowed to work at their own pace alongside other similarly bright kids and not be forced to sit alongside dindus or leave the public school system (and possibly even the city). NY has over a million kids in the system so it is no problem (aside from racial politics) for them to set aside a few schools for non-dindus so they can get a good education. The government is not picking winners and losers - in fact is powerless to pick winners and losers. Winners pick themselves. You could abolish the public school system entirely (as you seem to favor) and these kids would STILL be winners and the losers would still be losers no matter how much education is lavished upon them. But investing public $ in the winners is good policy - these kids will grow up to pay far more in taxes than is spent educating them.

    Yet other schools districts which segregate their students via “testing” would be quickly sued by the federal government and any such attempts to segregate the Black students from the whites would be banned. Even if the “segregation” occurs in the same school , tracking of students by abilities it not permuted here in New Jersey.

    “Eliminating tracking is necessary because (the district’s) current practice has a disparate, negative impact on students of color,” the complaint read. The tracking derived “from school and district policies and practices that systematically favor and encourage the enrollment of white students in AP courses, while funneling black and Hispanic students into lower-level remedial courses.

    The Obama justice department came down on the School districts here in New Jersey which used testing as justification for segregating students by ability, which resulted in AP classes which were 70% White and 16% Black in a school which is 55% White and 45% Black.

    https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-announces-resolution-south-orange-maplewood-nj-school-di
    U.S. Department of Education Announces Resolution of South Orange-Maplewood, N.J., School District Civil Rights Investigation. Black Students to be Afforded Equal Access to Advanced, Higher-Level Learning Opportunities. the School district agreed to eliminate tracking and allow all students to enroll in AP classes to settle with the US Department of Education.

    The DoE and advocates have said tracking perpetuates a modern system of segregation that favors white students and keeps students of color, many of them black, from long-term equal achievement. Now the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights is trying to change the system, one school district at a time. https://qz.com/289843/60-years-late-the-us-is-finally-trying-to-desegregate-its-classrooms/

    • Replies: @bomag

    advocates have said tracking... keeps students of color... from long-term equal achievement.
     
    So the solution here was to open AP classes to everyone. Should we expect another lawsuit when POC get worse grades and have un
    , @bomag

    advocates have said tracking... keeps students of color... from long-term equal achievement.
     
    So the solution here was to open AP classes to everyone. Should we expect another lawsuit when POC get worse grades and have unequal outcomes under this mandated system?

    As long as blank-slatism is the ruling orthodoxy, public schooling will migrate to lowest common denominator instruction; advancement will take place somewhere else.
  107. @Simply Simon
    The Amish always intrigued me. For a time I lived in an area, Miami County, Ohio which contained numerous Amish, not only that sect but also Mennonites and Dunkards. Their conservatism differed only in degree with the Amish being most conservative. This showed in their farming methods in which Amish used horses extensively but the Mennonites and Dunkards used powered equipment at times. They were primarily farmers and it was obvious they owned the richest farming land. I haven't been back to that area in many years and I suppose things have changed. Where I live in Texas there is a large community of Mennonites, many seem to be in the building trades. All good honest hard workers, salt of the earth so to speak.

    The left can’t afford to leave the Amish and the like alone – and, frankly, I sympathize.

    They are doubling in numbers. The Mennonites are hemorrhaging members – to the Evangelicals, where they are quickly taking over.

    Now, as much admiration as the con’s have for them, the future if they get stuck in is bleak. At what stage does a wilfully uneducated population, with the same rates of abuse as other churches, which is so inbred it’s essentially starting new congenital illnesses seem like a good idea?

    Remember, these people are not going to be the ones treating and finding cures for their illnesses. (And yes, this also applies to the ultra Orthodox Jews. They’re also awful, but no one is cooing over them.)

    And remember, they’re buying into the Invite the World bullshit as much as anyone else. They’re the ones telling Evangelicals that stealing other people’s kids, especially the black ones, is an act of god. They’re the exact same as the other churches, just more fecund.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  108. @AnotherDad

    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?
     
    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous ... and sadly typical.

    We aren't a nation anymore so "public education" makes even less sense.

    Conservatives should be pushing vouchers for the obvious reasons:
    -- stop the leftist indoctrination of their kids
    -- teach our kids within our--Western Christian--culture and tradition
    -- allow our kids to escape from the riff-raff
    -- defund a massive leftist make-work employment project.

    But also to free us from this Fordist model and allow some actual innovation. Even within the broad "show up a school" model, we can do a lot better. And incredibly better for boys who are very poorly served by the increasingly feminized school system.

    Oh, bullshit. All vouchers will do is destroy white parents’ ability to control the school environment, most notably the racial composition.

    And you’re delusional if you think it’s going to get kids educated in a more traditional manner. There’s no parental demand for it. There’s certainly no demand for religious education. Otherwise the parochial schools, which BTW are being *killed* by charters, wouldn’t be shuttering.

    How exactly do you intend to get teachers, in a country with a massive shortage, anyway, without the pay, benefits, holidays etc? Most teachers are…good. With the usual distribution. You get your plan, a shortage turns into a drought.

    Americans *like* public education. It’s a subsidy for having kids. That’s why they don’t resent paying taxes for it. White, middle class parents, who have spent big for a house in a “good” school district, will be baying for blood if you then destroy everything they worked for – a system that, remember, most people have very positive views of. Even people who think the system as a whole is a shambles speak warmly of their own kids’ schools.

    As much fun as it is to talk about screwing over whites on the opposite end of the political spectrum, that very glee is why white nationalism will never take off. Even its most ardent adherents won’t go for it in real life. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so interested in destroying a very popular system, to the point of jeopardizing your chance of getting (more) grankids.

  109. @Steve Sailer
    Shape Note Singing Magnet Schools

    Orienteering Magnet School. Kids have to find their way to their first class, which changes location daily.

  110. @eah
    No child should have to go to school in a shit building like that -- fucking hell man, what kind of school board would allow a monstrosity like that to be built? -- here is a school near me:

    https://gruberpopp.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/GPA_OFFE_Ansicht_Fassade-1920x1282.jpg

    Is that a school or a loony bin?

  111. @SunBakedSuburb
    "... they look to be human feedlots."

    Or holding pens for black and brown bodies. Either term previsions industrialized cannibalism. What Chuck Heston called soylent green; what Hillary Clinton calls brunch.

    “… they look to be human feedlots.”

    Or holding pens for black and brown bodies.

    Stockyards?

  112. @Kronos
    Well at least they can’t escape.

    Modern urban schools are deliberately designed with the office in the middle and corridors radiating outward. Just like a modern prison.

    So they can watch everybody.

    Come to think of it, that’s how Haussmann designed Paris. For similar reasons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Eug%C3%A8ne_Haussmann#The_debate_about_the_military_function_of_Haussmann’s_boulevards

    • Replies: @Kronos
    It’s my understanding the schools, prisons, and asylums are often designed by the same architecture firms.
  113. @anon
    Commenter Lot needs to get a haircut and a real job.
    Either that or ask Tel-Aviv to up his Shekel to comment payment ratio.

    Rubbish and ignorance, Lot is on the short list for best commenter (or is the representative Zionist among the best commenters). Jack D self-destructs with his doggedness, Lot has the same fixations but isn’t as strident. Lot has offered several comments, which will never be acted upon by the idiots who rule us, but which totally work as policy prescriprions and as popular campaign platforms. There are many good comments but not many have been so practical.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @bored identity
    bored identity strongly agrees;

    Lot never menschtruates, Lot doesn't futz around, Lot doesn't kvetch, and Lot ain't schmaltzy...



    ...unlike Tdzak D.
  114. @Kronos
    Well at least they can’t escape.

    “Bartholomew Cubbins, the years you spend at the Terwilliker Academy of Music will be the happiest of your life. Don’t try to escape. The barbed wite fence surrounding the compound is electrified.”

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I can see why dystopian themed children books are so popular.
  115. @Jack D
    If you see old people in Okinawa, it's clear that some of them are very old. The kind of old that you just can't fake, with inch deep wrinkles and no teeth. Maybe it's the tropical sun, but there's no faking that they are just OLD. Maybe not as old as it says on their papers, but they are plenty old and some of them have kids that are really old too so either they had those kids when they were children or else they are (almost) as old as they say they are. Many of them are surprisingly vigorous despite the fact that they are as wrinkled as prunes. Not being 50+lbs. overweight like most Americans keeps you more mobile (but the wrinkles show even more). Like every society, most of the really old ones are females and not male so presumably they were not draft evaders.

    Insofar as the pockets of longevity are real, there are plenty of common factors, but most are things we already knew, notably that these people don’t retire. They cannot work like they did when they were younger (and it helps that these are cultures where elders are respected) but neither do they stop.

  116. @RH
    Note to Mrs. Cohen-Clarke: people who speak the Slovak language are " Slovakian", not "Slovian".

    Note to Mrs. Cohen-Clarke: people who speak the Slovak language are ” Slovakian”, not “Slovian”.

    Close, but no viržinku.


    A Slovakian is a citizen or national of the state of Slovakia. A Slovak is a member of the ethnic group, or also a citizen.

    One who speaks the Slovak language would be a Slovacophone.
    Or perhaps slovenskofónnej.

  117. @snorlax

    Seriously, how tough is it to host a web site doing video streaming?

    The right needs to just setup their own web services. Their own video, their own blogging and micro-blogging services. Certainly we have some folks–including some folks with a little cash–who can setup these services.
     
    It isn't hard. Indeed, there are a number of such sites. You have never heard of them. That's what's hard.

    A decent web programmer can have a video streaming site up and running in one hour. It is all off the shelf.

    It can’t be supported by ads however, because video bandwidth is too expensive. Youtube loses money despite having access to Google’s ad sale platform.

    The sites that appear to be YT alternatives have malware “ads.”

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.
     
    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.
    , @syonredux

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.
     
    ....which is social death.
  118. @eah
    Here's another one:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/120401-Steglitz-Dunant-Grundschule.JPG/1920px-120401-Steglitz-Dunant-Grundschule.JPG

    NYC’s troublesome Bergtraum High is a brutalist botch

    https://nypost.com/2014/06/08/teacher-reveals-awful-conditions-at-murry-bergtraum-hs/

  119. @Buzz Mohawk
    In Dan Brown's novel, Inferno, someone creates a virus that randomly sterilizes one-third of humanity to reign in population growth.

    It must have been the zeitgeist, because I had the same idea months before the book was published -- but the virus was designed to be choosy in what kinds of humans it would sterilize. Many other people must have thought of the same thing. It's probably appeared in lots of science fiction stories over the years.

    One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    Also please see Frank Herbert’s The White Plague.

  120. @Anon
    Baroque harpsichord immersion schools.

    Square dance immersion schools.

    Schools that require uniforms that include trousers that belt at the true waist.

    Whatever happened to Latin high schools? They can read the part in the Gallic Wars about how Caesar enslaved entire cities and sold them to slave merchants.

    Nutritionally balanced gourmet vegan meals for those on the National School Lunch Program.

    Could you get away with a degree of voluntary segregation by having “Black Culture,” “Hispanic Culture,” and “Western Civilization” themed magnet schools?

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    The African-immersion program.

  122. @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm talking about the students' picking of Spanish over Chinese for their language requirement, Woodsie. The Chinese classes may have even been phased out by now, because "easier". It's not much of a religious institution anymore either, I can tell you from experience. The Penguin does not work there anymore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI

    That was an inspirational speech .

  123. @Reg Cæsar
    Modern urban schools are deliberately designed with the office in the middle and corridors radiating outward. Just like a modern prison.

    So they can watch everybody.

    Come to think of it, that's how Haussmann designed Paris. For similar reasons:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges-Eug%C3%A8ne_Haussmann#The_debate_about_the_military_function_of_Haussmann's_boulevards

    It’s my understanding the schools, prisons, and asylums are often designed by the same architecture firms.

  124. @Lot
    A decent web programmer can have a video streaming site up and running in one hour. It is all off the shelf.

    It can’t be supported by ads however, because video bandwidth is too expensive. Youtube loses money despite having access to Google’s ad sale platform.

    The sites that appear to be YT alternatives have malware “ads.”

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Having someone’s IP address isn’t enough to dox them, though you can narrow down their metro area, assuming you are sure they are not using a proxy.

    Having SJWs with a big list of “people who watch vdare TV” ip addresses does not seem too threatening to me. If I were a nefarious doxxing antifa I’d just set up a honeypot site that required email registration.

    There are I am sure a ton of “far right” sites with bad security whose server logs can be downloaded. Same fairly useless data, which itself decays as IP addresses gradually change.

    Even the record labels who can subpoena ISPs to get names behind IPs mostly have given up.
    , @syonredux

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.
     
    It's also social death. The genuine right needs access to the public square.That means YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER.Anything else is ghettoization.
  125. @Jack D
    I know a Vietnamese kid who had two grannies. One of them made it to America in the postwar exodus and one never left.

    On paper, the one who was here was much better off - she had her own air conditioned private apartment and access to Western healthcare and USDA inspected meat and so on. Vietnam's GDP per capita is less than $2,500 (and that's higher than it used to be) so even the poorest pensioner in America is much better off than the average Vietnamese.

    Granny #2 lived in the family compound in a small coastal city in southern Vietnam. There is no real privacy - there's no air conditioning, just some electric fans and mostly you live semi-outdoors in the (not very spacious) covered courtyard and people are constantly coming and going and passing by all day - not just family members but friends and neighbors. The neighborhood is densely packed - there's barely an alleyway between houses, which are packed 10 rows deep between the streets like sardines in a can. No one waits for a invitation - friends and neighbors wander in and out of the house all day, which is just inches from the public alley anyway. Maybe your neighbor has just bought a durian and wants to give you some or maybe they just want to shoot the shit and kill time. Everyone has known each other for generations - crime is unthinkable, not that there's much to steal. It might be hard to sleep even if you went upstairs because downstairs people would be having a Buddhist prayer service or cheering a soccer match on the TV which is playing too loud. Naturally granny, for as long as she was able, was expected to pitch in with the kitchen chores, kept her eye on the grandchildren, etc.

    Granny #1's kids lived in their own homes. Some were in the same city, others were all over the globe - wherever the winds of war had scattered them. They were not neglectful but they worked hard at their jobs and didn't have much time to see granny except on weekends and even then they had to juggle between their own kids and grandma.

    Guess which granny was happier?

    But how do you ever get back to the situation of having an organic community of family and neighbors like Granny #2 once that is gone? How do you have that without the grinding poverty to go along with it? Would you really trade for Granny #2's life?

    *Shrugs*. If I knew, I’d tell you. I mean, I have my suggestions, but they are probably all bad ones: you need someone who more intuitively relates and has experience with friendships and social ties to chime in here. I don’t think robots would make a lonely old person less depressed.

    What I can say is that any attempt would also be potentially undermined by the sheer artificiality that it could bring. If you want to go skydiving at 90 years old GHWB-style, then it has to be because you want to do it, not because your kids are trying to not get you to focus on your dead wife of 60+ years.

    >Maybe it’s the tropical sun, but there’s no faking that they are just OLD.

    Many of them work outside, but as I alluded to, that probably contributed to their longevity more than anything. And yeah, there were a few century-old+ men hanging around and several in their 90s, but they were heavily outnumbered by the women, and the men who got that old usually had wives who were that old. It didn’t work the other way around.

    (The oldsters understandably didn’t talk much about their WWII experiences, but virtually everybody was conscripted to work for the IJA in some form or another. A common one for the women, especially ones in middle or high school at the time, was working as a hospital attendant in some of the caves. There was no escaping the Japanese in 1944, so the men weren’t draft dodgers so much as they took whatever chance they could to escape when the battle came to an end, or they couldn’t bring themselves to commit suicide and the Marines just sort of got them while they were in a paralyzed state of non-decision and shell shock… the accent is different enough that it is easy enough to tell them apart from the mainland Japanese.)

    It probably wouldn’t surprise you that the ones who talked to us all deplored that their great-grandkids were getting more obese.

  126. @Anon
    Baroque harpsichord immersion schools.

    Square dance immersion schools.

    Schools that require uniforms that include trousers that belt at the true waist.

    Whatever happened to Latin high schools? They can read the part in the Gallic Wars about how Caesar enslaved entire cities and sold them to slave merchants.

    Nutritionally balanced gourmet vegan meals for those on the National School Lunch Program.

    In middle school we had a week of gym class devoted to square dancing, with an optional after school dance at the end of the week.

    It was even more fun than it looks.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I remember a social dance week in junior high phys ed. Each boy had to ask a girl to dance. Those were the days when part of the school's job was to help kids socially adjust to adulthood.

    I read recently where a Utah school had a dance, and a mother freaked out because she thought it was training her girl to be raped, i.e., there was a rule that a girl could not turn down a dance if asked by a boy (unless she sat out the particular song or something). The mother’s logic was that it trained girls that they had to do what men asked them to do.

    In my day teachers kind of kept an eye on your temperament and social development and nudged you to certain activities. There were clubs for developing the shy, such as one that supplied ushers for events. You got a tap on the shoulder from the teacher for that.

    I think that open showers in gym were intended to kind of force kids to get used to their bodies. It’s my impression that this is long gone, but with internet porn, exposing your body to others is obsolete anyway. Well, except for the doctor. When millennials reach the age where things start to go wrong and medical visits increase, we may read trend stories about body exposure anxiety and delayed medical visits and the like.
  127. @Keypusher
    The sad/infuriating/funny thing is that the ostensible goal of the policy change — desegregating NYC schools — is mathematically impossible. The NYT article points out that there are 1.1 million children in the school system, 70% of them black or Hispanic, and thirty or so paragraphs later it observes that there are 16,000 students, 75% of them white or Asian, in elementary school G&T programs in the city. So this is like saying you can turn a gallon of coffee white with a drop of cream. The article never makes that observation, of course.

    DiBlasio, interestingly, reacted quite tepidly to the proposal — basically thanked the panel for its hard work and said that his administration would review its recommendations carefully. Contrary to the post above, I don’t think many people want to drive the remaining whites and Asians out of the system, and even the Times acknowledges that white/Asian flight is a risk if this proposal is implemented.

    The sad/infuriating/funny thing is that the ostensible goal of the policy change — desegregating NYC schools — is mathematically impossible.

    This is just one symptom of the bigger problem that these lefty knuckleheads don’t actually have a clue what they mean by “segregation” and “integration.”

    For example, What percentage of magic whites are required at a school before minorities can start to learn? Why don’t whites get racial “integration” from being around Asians? Why don’t blacks get their needed racial “integration” from Hispanics? It’s all a big mystery.

    Mainly, they can’t figure it out because there’s no actual evidence of racial integration doing any good for anybody to begin with.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    Well, of course, "segregation" and "integration" aren't being used in a coherent way, but that's a feature, not a bug. They're being used because everyone knows that segregation is bad and integration is good, so any policy that promotes integration must be good. See also "diversity."
  128. @The Alarmist

    Interesting about what language to choose.
     
    Your kids were fortunate at this point in time to be born and raised as native English speakers, as English is currently the lingua Franca of business, entertainment, arts, and science. If they have the option, Mandarin Chinese is likely to be the next most useful for the foreseeable future.

    French is useful if you do business in France, Belgium, part of Switzerland, and a number of other Francophone dead-end countries. German is useless outside the DACH ... Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, two of which still have substantial business sectors where you can get away speaking English but will find the language skills useful for shopping.

    Chinese really is not that bad of a language to learn once you strip away the character system and the tones: it’s *very* straightforward and logical compared to English, grammar-wise. If you ask someone in Mandarin whether they want a beer or not, it is literally “ni yao bu yao pijiu ma?” which is literally “you want no want beer?”.

    (Next time a Chinese shopkeeper asks you a question sounding like that in English, keep in mind, that’s how it would literally sound in Mandarin: he’s not trying to be rude.)

    I think it is the character system that throws a lot of people off. It’s fun once you get the hang of it, but I can get how it discourages casual learners. The tones can be annoying, but usually there’s enough context in a sentence to understand what someone means, and the Chinese tend to very forgiving and slow with visibly non-Chinese people trying Mandarin.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Good observations. 很好

    I learned latin in Catholic school because I had to ... it is useful when reading science or health journals and occasionally in museums.

    I learned French in HS because I wanted to ... the teacher was a Québécois hottie, but it is useful now that I am renovating a chateau in France.

    I learned Russian because the USAF wanted me to learn it ... it proved useful when I had a Russian GF and hung out with her and her friends, who told me I had a Russian soul as they kept plying me with vodka.

    I learned German when a German company bought my American employer ... it is useful for ordering lunch and reading Handelsblatt.

    I learned Mandarin because I wanted to. If Jimmy Rogers thinks it is important for his daughters, it probably is going to be useful, if only to offload properties to greater fools as I get older.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    The tones are a big bugaboo, IMO, Nebula. I say that as someone too old to get it right in my head easily. It's one thing for listening. You may think you heard a certain syllable or word, but often you are wrong, because that it was the same sound (consonants and values), different tone.

    For speaking, I can't even .... OK, I can - I and a friend were trying to tell the taxi driver an address. He was not familiar with it, in downtown Shanghai, 3 times the size of NYC. I tried to tell him, and then my friend who had watched a good bit of youtube Chinese instruction tried it. No go. Ahbaa! I found the business card with the address in my pocket finally.

    I gave it to him. "Oh, Lieu-waaah-Lu!" "That's what the f__k we've just been saying!" we both said at the same time. Nope, but their ears are in tune for tones, and if you say a syllable with the wrong one, it's like a different syllable to them. That is very hard to get right.
    , @keuril

    Chinese really is not that bad of a language ... it’s *very* straightforward and logical compared to English, grammar-wise. If you ask someone in Mandarin whether they want a beer or not, it is literally “ni yao bu yao pijiu ma?”
     
    Yet in this example of how easy chinese is you made a mistake. You can't combine a "Verb bu Verb" pattern question with a ma ending. Have to use one or the other (你要不要啤酒 or 你要啤酒吗). Chinese grammar is trickier than ppl think.
  129. @ricpic
    It's unlikely that even the slash and burn methods used by DeBlasio's hispanic education czar will destroy Stuyvesant High School, the Bronx High School of Science or Brooklyn Tech. The student bodies of those three schools are overwhelmingly high achieving asian kids. And those kids are backed up by ferocious parents who will fight tooth and nail (as they already are fighting) against dilution of both curricula and student makeup in those schools.

    My kids point out to me that there are two kinds of kids in their schools: kids with a future and kids without a future. The former have to be very careful of their Permanent Record. The latter don’t care.

    Stuy, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech are pretty much 100% kids with a future.

    Generally the parents of kids with a future will fight to the bitter end for their kids’ education.

    De Blasio would be looking at unrest that would make the current Hong Kong protests seem tame.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I’ve got bad news, “permanent records” don’t exist. They may have existed in the past but they’ve been dead for a long time. Too much of a legal liability for the school. In terms of disparate impact and disciplinary measures blacks will always stick out. Sailer has previously pointed out schools don’t want to leave a paper trail for high powered civil rights lawyers to follow.

    It’s the police records you gotta worry about. That stuff will stick and potentially hurt your academic career.

    https://www.theodysseyonline.com/permanent-records-fact-fiction
    , @Lot
    The kids with a future group only have to care about their “permanent record” if they do something that males them vulnerable to mobbing.

    Journalist/professor/ad executive: be very worried of the SJW mob

    Programmer/underwater welder/nursing home compliance director/trucking executive: far less vulnerable.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Paleo Liberal:

    There will be unrest by the NYC Chinese-American populace. Unfortunately it will never get off the ground since the NY Times and other SJW propaganda organs will never come to their defense being too busy in their efforts to propagandize the noble efforts of Rev Al Sharpton et al.
  130. @bomag
    Until about 2020, the graph was of cities that were centers of trade/culture/technology.

    After 2020, not so much; they look to be human feedlots.

    I think we should all understand… that projected future will never happen. 70 million people in Lagos? Mass slaughter and/or super ebola and/or camp of the saints ultra migration will happen first.

    History hasn’t been repealed…

    Those projections just show the immense scale of the human suffering that’s coming in the fecal concavities.

  131. @eah
    No child should have to go to school in a shit building like that -- fucking hell man, what kind of school board would allow a monstrosity like that to be built? -- here is a school near me:

    https://gruberpopp.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/GPA_OFFE_Ansicht_Fassade-1920x1282.jpg

    Around my town there are two decommissioned schools that look similar. Schools 100 years ago had better style than now. The relatively new High School resembles a massive prison. Even has 20foot fencing with barbed wire (no joke.)

  132. @Achmed E. Newman
    As prospective Mayor of NY City, I say, fill the STEM classes with our black children. For the current era, I present to you the NewSTEM: Shuck-and-jive, Tackle football, Extended detention, and Metal Detectors.

    By "Magnet" schools, we mean electromagnets in the Principal's office for finding those few extra knives on our clever little gangbangers that don't get detected otherwise.

    If we invest enough money into the NewSTEM program, those kids will surely climb to the top!

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Not bad, but it was funnier in I'm Gonna Git You Sucka.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, thanks.
  133. OT

    Apparently Omar isn’t “fearful” of all white men.

    Ilhan Omar’s Campaign Funded Travel For Man She’s Alleged To Have An Affair With, Records Show

    Rep. Ilhan Omar’s campaign has disbursed tens of thousands of dollars in “travel expenses” to the company owned by the political strategist whose wife accused him Tuesday of having an affair with the Minnesota Democrat. … Omar’s campaign funded $21,547 in travel for E. Street Group starting in April, FEC records show. Tim Mynett is a partner with the company, according to his LinkedIn profile. … Government ethics watchdog Tom Anderson of the conservative National Legal and Policy Center said Omar may have violated campaign finance law if she used campaign funds to pursue a romantic affair. … “We believe Representative Ilhan Omar may have touched the third rail of campaign finance law: disbursing campaign funds for personal use,” Anderson told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

    Who would really be surprised — re her relationships/marriages, I think this stupid woman already has enough “explaining to do”.

  134. @AnotherDad

    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?
     
    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous ... and sadly typical.

    We aren't a nation anymore so "public education" makes even less sense.

    Conservatives should be pushing vouchers for the obvious reasons:
    -- stop the leftist indoctrination of their kids
    -- teach our kids within our--Western Christian--culture and tradition
    -- allow our kids to escape from the riff-raff
    -- defund a massive leftist make-work employment project.

    But also to free us from this Fordist model and allow some actual innovation. Even within the broad "show up a school" model, we can do a lot better. And incredibly better for boys who are very poorly served by the increasingly feminized school system.

    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous … and sadly typical.

    Schools have become fantastically wasteful make work projects for adults.

    The average school district spends about $13,500 per kid. (And that’s just operating expenses not capital or facilities). If they are lucky, schools have no more than about 25 kids per classroom. That works out to $337,500 per classroom per year.

    A well-paid, full time teacher probably costs about $75,000, including benefits.

    So where does the other $262,500 per year go?

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Unions (and things that are effectively unions) insisting on artificial minimum pricing. A stunningly bright engineer friend volunteered at an after school activity introducing automotive work to kids. It got cancelled and he got curious about how they would run out of money for "being in a garage for a couple of hours." A familiar orange-themed (flavored?) hand scrub useful to greasemonkeys came up: the friend recognized it as a good product and guessed what the school paid for it, given its price in a smaller quantity at a hardware store. Oh no, he was told, the school is not allowed to buy it at a store or online. It must be bought through an internal procurement process with its own schedule of prices. And this bureaucratic blight drives the cost of a jar of soap up far enough that you could be buying car parts.
    , @Abolish_public_education
    The “missing” money goes to where it was intended all along: contractors and vendors, sinecures for administrators, pensions, consultants, and interest to muni bond holders.
    , @NYMOM
    Probably a lot of the other 262,500 per year goes to security...

    For instance each class had a table in my grand daughter's public school and each table had an adult monitor who followed them out into the school yard and stayed with them until the regular teacher returned and took over...

    I don't remember that happening when I went to school. You basically got into line, picked out your lunch and ate it at a table of choice with your friends...you cannot do that anymore. But that extra person on lunch room duty is a security feature and costs money...
  135. @Paleo Liberal
    My kids point out to me that there are two kinds of kids in their schools: kids with a future and kids without a future. The former have to be very careful of their Permanent Record. The latter don’t care.

    Stuy, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech are pretty much 100% kids with a future.

    Generally the parents of kids with a future will fight to the bitter end for their kids’ education.

    De Blasio would be looking at unrest that would make the current Hong Kong protests seem tame.

    I’ve got bad news, “permanent records” don’t exist. They may have existed in the past but they’ve been dead for a long time. Too much of a legal liability for the school. In terms of disparate impact and disciplinary measures blacks will always stick out. Sailer has previously pointed out schools don’t want to leave a paper trail for high powered civil rights lawyers to follow.

    It’s the police records you gotta worry about. That stuff will stick and potentially hurt your academic career.

    https://www.theodysseyonline.com/permanent-records-fact-fiction

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Don't worry, I hear that there's a not well reported movement afoot to do away with police records for the same "reason"s.

    Once the state has complete power to retcon any individual's history as suits the state's most powerful members, the Final Solution to whitene...I mean Injustice will be achieved.
  136. @snorlax

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.
     
    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.

    Having someone’s IP address isn’t enough to dox them, though you can narrow down their metro area, assuming you are sure they are not using a proxy.

    Having SJWs with a big list of “people who watch vdare TV” ip addresses does not seem too threatening to me. If I were a nefarious doxxing antifa I’d just set up a honeypot site that required email registration.

    There are I am sure a ton of “far right” sites with bad security whose server logs can be downloaded. Same fairly useless data, which itself decays as IP addresses gradually change.

    Even the record labels who can subpoena ISPs to get names behind IPs mostly have given up.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    You're right; I was inexact and overdramatic in my phrasing. It would give SJWs a big head start in doxxing people who watch VDare videos.
  137. OT — get woke go broke
    Leslie Jones and Alec Baldwin are leaving Saturday Night Live. While nonstop bemoaning of a certain election couldn’t have helped, the fact is that SNL is consistently unwatchable for many reasons, and was before it bet everything on attacking its potential audience.

  138. @Steve Sailer
    Shape Note Singing Magnet Schools

    Steve , you know the Temptations were the #1 Male Negro group in the 60’s , and they had some great hits , certainly this probably one of the Top Ten Hit’s of the decade .

    And they were NAZIs too .

    But IMHO The Four Tops were the best .

    And you know , this

  139. @Hypnotoad666

    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous … and sadly typical.
     
    Schools have become fantastically wasteful make work projects for adults.

    The average school district spends about $13,500 per kid. (And that's just operating expenses not capital or facilities). If they are lucky, schools have no more than about 25 kids per classroom. That works out to $337,500 per classroom per year.

    A well-paid, full time teacher probably costs about $75,000, including benefits.

    So where does the other $262,500 per year go?

    Unions (and things that are effectively unions) insisting on artificial minimum pricing. A stunningly bright engineer friend volunteered at an after school activity introducing automotive work to kids. It got cancelled and he got curious about how they would run out of money for “being in a garage for a couple of hours.” A familiar orange-themed (flavored?) hand scrub useful to greasemonkeys came up: the friend recognized it as a good product and guessed what the school paid for it, given its price in a smaller quantity at a hardware store. Oh no, he was told, the school is not allowed to buy it at a store or online. It must be bought through an internal procurement process with its own schedule of prices. And this bureaucratic blight drives the cost of a jar of soap up far enough that you could be buying car parts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Schools figured out it was better to pay a little too much consistently than let people buy stuff at artificially inflated prices sometimes way, way too high for kickbacks or out of intimidation. A friend of mine who worked for a New Jersey school district reported that at one time they were paying 2 1/2 times market for floor cleaning supplies. Turns out there was financial feedback.

    NJ is of course the corruptest state there is, but this kind of thing goes back centuries. Schools are run by midwits, but requiring controlled supply chains is a no brainer.

    , @Peterike
    “And this bureaucratic blight drives the cost of a jar of soap up far enough that you could be buying car parts.”

    Some 30 odd years ago as a teacher I was pondering getting a VHS copy of Olivier’s “Hamlet” — because showing a film is a great way to avoid doing any work for a few days, and as a high school teacher your job is mostly a waste of everyone’s time.

    Well, the film was going for like $30 retail at the time. In the school supply catalog from whence we were supposed to order, it was selling for $400. No joke.

    Whatever your wildest imagination tells you about the waste, grifting and corruption in our schools, the reality is ten times worse.
    , @95Theses
    Fascinating.
  140. @AnotherDad

    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?
     
    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous ... and sadly typical.

    We aren't a nation anymore so "public education" makes even less sense.

    Conservatives should be pushing vouchers for the obvious reasons:
    -- stop the leftist indoctrination of their kids
    -- teach our kids within our--Western Christian--culture and tradition
    -- allow our kids to escape from the riff-raff
    -- defund a massive leftist make-work employment project.

    But also to free us from this Fordist model and allow some actual innovation. Even within the broad "show up a school" model, we can do a lot better. And incredibly better for boys who are very poorly served by the increasingly feminized school system.

    Vouchers would be the left’s camel nose in the religious school tent. “Well… since you’re taking ‘government’ money it’s only reasonable that you meet public school standards… we’ve noticed you’re not really following our new Gender Curriculum for example…”

    Any entanglement with the state is going to be an opportunity for them to exert control. Better to keep as far from them and their (OUR) money as possible

    • Replies: @Jesse
    That's the whole point. All the religious nutjobs demanding publicly funded religious schools seem to think that (1) there's any demand for it and (2) that the govt will leave them alone. Which is stupid both in that it can't happen and in that you can't just leave public services with no oversight.

    What's going to happen, before all political concerns over the curriculum, is that those religious schools the nutjobs keep boasting about are going to try to expel troublemakers willy nilly, and then screech when they have to follow the same rules as the other public schools


    All the nutjobs boasting about the traditionalist curriculum, with the implication that every kid could do it if forced and forcing them would save the nation, are going to run straight into the Bell Curve. They're then going to whine about the "culture" where parents are apparently stopping their 12 y/o from reading the Iliad. And no one would believe them. Because it's retarded.

    Remember, if they want to be public schools, they have to get parental buy in. What are they going to do once they're filled with parents whose public school is now filled with nutbags and idiots? Do they really think the upper middle class parents on the school board are going to just take their kids being told the retarded Catholic line on birth control?

    It won't work. Parents don't want it. You will further hinder the ability of middle class whites to have families.

    Also, Ireland had the same system for more than a century. All it did was rub people's face in how much they hated the churches. And they learned to be good globalists just the same.

  141. @A. E.
    Things like that happen regularly.

    In Basel, Switzerland, in the past, the separation of pupils happened quite early, at the age of 11. Those with better grades went to grammar school (Gymnasium) and so did not have to attend school together with lower-middle class pupils any more. Choosing Latin as the first foreign language furthermore made sure that someone was in a class with a large percentage of upper-class and upper-middle-class pupils.

    In the meantime, there have been many school reforms. In principle, pupils with lower and higher grades are together much longer, and Latin cannot be chosen as the first foreign language any more (as far as I know, it is now just an optional subject and does not influence with whom someone is in class).

    However, there were special classes with more music lessons than normal, and they were mostly chosen by upper-middle-class families, there were many fewer migrant children in these classes, and they had average grade - like classes with Latin as the first foreign language in earlier times. Then, there were discussions whether these music classes should be kept because they and the segregation achieved by them went against the principles of the school reforms.

    I went to a heavily Jewish high school. I took German. Hmm. I wonder if I was subconsciously telling myself something way back then.

    • Replies: @dvorak

    I went to a heavily Jewish high school. I took German. Hmm. I wonder if I was subconsciously telling myself something way back then.
     
    That you wanted to learn enough German to get Mel Brooks' Yiddish jokes?
  142. @Lot
    A decent web programmer can have a video streaming site up and running in one hour. It is all off the shelf.

    It can’t be supported by ads however, because video bandwidth is too expensive. Youtube loses money despite having access to Google’s ad sale platform.

    The sites that appear to be YT alternatives have malware “ads.”

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    ….which is social death.

  143. @Simply Simon
    The Amish always intrigued me. For a time I lived in an area, Miami County, Ohio which contained numerous Amish, not only that sect but also Mennonites and Dunkards. Their conservatism differed only in degree with the Amish being most conservative. This showed in their farming methods in which Amish used horses extensively but the Mennonites and Dunkards used powered equipment at times. They were primarily farmers and it was obvious they owned the richest farming land. I haven't been back to that area in many years and I suppose things have changed. Where I live in Texas there is a large community of Mennonites, many seem to be in the building trades. All good honest hard workers, salt of the earth so to speak.

    We have a lot of drunkards in my rural Ohio county, too! Oh, wait, nevermind….

  144. @nebulafox
    Chinese really is not that bad of a language to learn once you strip away the character system and the tones: it's *very* straightforward and logical compared to English, grammar-wise. If you ask someone in Mandarin whether they want a beer or not, it is literally "ni yao bu yao pijiu ma?" which is literally "you want no want beer?".

    (Next time a Chinese shopkeeper asks you a question sounding like that in English, keep in mind, that's how it would literally sound in Mandarin: he's not trying to be rude.)

    I think it is the character system that throws a lot of people off. It's fun once you get the hang of it, but I can get how it discourages casual learners. The tones can be annoying, but usually there's enough context in a sentence to understand what someone means, and the Chinese tend to very forgiving and slow with visibly non-Chinese people trying Mandarin.

    Good observations. 很好

    I learned latin in Catholic school because I had to … it is useful when reading science or health journals and occasionally in museums.

    I learned French in HS because I wanted to … the teacher was a Québécois hottie, but it is useful now that I am renovating a chateau in France.

    I learned Russian because the USAF wanted me to learn it … it proved useful when I had a Russian GF and hung out with her and her friends, who told me I had a Russian soul as they kept plying me with vodka.

    I learned German when a German company bought my American employer … it is useful for ordering lunch and reading Handelsblatt.

    I learned Mandarin because I wanted to. If Jimmy Rogers thinks it is important for his daughters, it probably is going to be useful, if only to offload properties to greater fools as I get older.

  145. @snorlax

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.
     
    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.

    It’s also social death. The genuine right needs access to the public square.That means YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER.Anything else is ghettoization.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Free speech is a very secondary issue for me to mass migration. Ultimately it is a Western value, and the more third world we become, the less freedom we will have. Also, better Poland without the first amendment than Bangladesh with it.

    The most direct mechanism is the replacement of traditional white liberals who value free speech with SJWs and POCs. In a 40% minority district, the Dems just don’t need the votes of Nat Hentoff types to win.

    I don’t know how bad, if at all, the Big Tech bans really are for us. As I told Derb in his most recent article, VDare is 99% good to great content, but then they poison the entire well by sporadically running Kevin MacDonald types.

    What the patriotic right requires most right now are pro-Trumpers with message discipline who focus on mass migration and closely related issues like NAM crime. People like Tucker and Ann especially, who go as far as their platforms let them, but stay respectable enough to stay on corporate media.

    As part of this strategy, over-the-top Zionism is an effective tool. The often-Jewish censor sees “potentially troubling” anti-immivasion rhetoric, or “Islamophobia,” but then is reassured by the speakers extreme pro-Israel content.

    And it isn’t just signaling to Jews either, you see on Twitter tons of Trump super-supporters in places like Oklahoma signal they are radical but not “that type” of radical by having US Flag+Israel Flag icons in their profile. I even see this for English patriots on twitter, who do a USA, UK, St George, Star of David flag combo.
    , @Anonymousse
    The algorithm manipulation means right wing content is already ghettoized even on big platforms.

    Check out the like dislike ratios... the best channels on youtube (morgoth’s review, ramzpaul, black pilled, american renaissance, etc) get almost all likes on their videos because no one finds them who isn’t specifically looking for them. The algorithm has explicit blacklists to hide this normie friendly right wing content from normie eyes.

  146. I realize that I’m coming at this with an intractable case of Engineer Thinking, but wouldn’t it just be easier for NYC to supply gamma knife selective cerebrectomies to all children who test at higher than the Puerto Rican mean?

    After of course auctioning off a fixed number of slots in the oligarchy access track preparatory academies (named for associates of Toussaint l’Ouverture) to the highest bidders.

    I realize that this would require the Dems to surrender their voter-flypaper pretense that schooling is the great leveler for access to the access class.

    But all this nonsense about Ed Biz policy and so-shill just-is has become Ah So Tiresome.

    FWIW my proposal could be applied annually, so that the economic boost of Back to School retail shopping wouldn’t suffer. Imagine the new product possibilities like Disney branded drool bibs. And Epstein/Rockefeller branded gamma knife selective cerebrectomy recovery Caribbean tour junkets. Free action figure with each procedure, paid for by Universal Health Care Ltd., a subsidiary of Alphabet, Roche, Bayer, Merck, and Johnson and Johnson, fully funded by you, the American taxpayer. Thank you for your support.

  147. @Paleo Liberal
    My kids point out to me that there are two kinds of kids in their schools: kids with a future and kids without a future. The former have to be very careful of their Permanent Record. The latter don’t care.

    Stuy, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech are pretty much 100% kids with a future.

    Generally the parents of kids with a future will fight to the bitter end for their kids’ education.

    De Blasio would be looking at unrest that would make the current Hong Kong protests seem tame.

    The kids with a future group only have to care about their “permanent record” if they do something that males them vulnerable to mobbing.

    Journalist/professor/ad executive: be very worried of the SJW mob

    Programmer/underwater welder/nursing home compliance director/trucking executive: far less vulnerable.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    Programmer/underwater welder/nursing home compliance director/trucking executive: far less vulnerable.
     
    Uh, no. Of common occupations, we're easily in the top ten if not top five most vulnerable to SJW mobbing. Source: am one. See also: James Damore.
  148. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jill
    There is nothing left to destroy in New York public schools.

    Now they plan to scrap the Regents Tests: Anyway it was all a lie

    "The graduation rate continues to slowly edge up, but stubborn gaps in achievement persist — gaps that separate students of color, students with disabilities, English language learners, and low-income students from their peers who are white and attend school in low-need districts," Betty Rosa, the Regents chancellor, wrote in February.

    "And Regents exams have been knocked because they are essentially graded on a curve to get to the 65 passing grade. For example, the raw points needed to get a 65 grade on the Algebra I exam last spring was a 28, according to the state Education Department."

    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2019/07/25/regents-exams-new-york-how-century-old-test-may-scrapped-ended-elia-rosa/1825691001/


    June 2018 Algebra I Regents Exam

    https://mathbitsnotebook.com/Algebra1/RegentsExams/A1June2018.pdf

    The Regents test was a minor plot device in Death of a Salesman , that magnum opus of liberal favorite Arthur Miller.

    “death of a salesman arthur miller regents exam” as a regular expression gives a huge number of links but of course never the text of the play, which is pretty protected. Miller’s work is copyright protected until 2095 under our insane laws, even his 1940 novel. That’s 155 years!

    Miller was an oafish, loutish doofus, who married a vulnerable woman (Marilyn Monroe) to go over on his frenemy Elia Kazan.

  149. @Paleo Liberal
    My kids point out to me that there are two kinds of kids in their schools: kids with a future and kids without a future. The former have to be very careful of their Permanent Record. The latter don’t care.

    Stuy, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech are pretty much 100% kids with a future.

    Generally the parents of kids with a future will fight to the bitter end for their kids’ education.

    De Blasio would be looking at unrest that would make the current Hong Kong protests seem tame.

    Paleo Liberal:

    There will be unrest by the NYC Chinese-American populace. Unfortunately it will never get off the ground since the NY Times and other SJW propaganda organs will never come to their defense being too busy in their efforts to propagandize the noble efforts of Rev Al Sharpton et al.

  150. @Anon
    Baroque harpsichord immersion schools.

    Square dance immersion schools.

    Schools that require uniforms that include trousers that belt at the true waist.

    Whatever happened to Latin high schools? They can read the part in the Gallic Wars about how Caesar enslaved entire cities and sold them to slave merchants.

    Nutritionally balanced gourmet vegan meals for those on the National School Lunch Program.

    I have experience with assembling specific training schools for connecting specific student aptitudes with specific lines of work ill represented by the Ed Biz.

    My newest idea is a school that focuses on fruit and vegetable gardening.

    The curriculum is taught entirely in English, Latin, and Swedish so that the kindern can read their textbooks: Pehr Kalm and John Bartram, with excursions into Linnaeus, Cato the Elder, Columella, Cicero, and Varro. Also old Rob Rodale.

  151. Sort of on topic. Anybody get a load of this?

    https://babytripusa.com/

  152. @Kronos
    I’ve got bad news, “permanent records” don’t exist. They may have existed in the past but they’ve been dead for a long time. Too much of a legal liability for the school. In terms of disparate impact and disciplinary measures blacks will always stick out. Sailer has previously pointed out schools don’t want to leave a paper trail for high powered civil rights lawyers to follow.

    It’s the police records you gotta worry about. That stuff will stick and potentially hurt your academic career.

    https://www.theodysseyonline.com/permanent-records-fact-fiction

    Don’t worry, I hear that there’s a not well reported movement afoot to do away with police records for the same “reason”s.

    Once the state has complete power to retcon any individual’s history as suits the state’s most powerful members, the Final Solution to whitene…I mean Injustice will be achieved.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I’ve heard about that movement. Regardless, schools and universities love to make an example of their great white defendants and petty white defendants. It genuinely helps balance out the racial math. Remember, deans and administrators can go all out on white kids (especially males.) Before it became legalized/decriminalized in Oregon, underage weed possession was a fairly big deal.


    https://youtu.be/84phU8of02U
  153. @eah
    No child should have to go to school in a shit building like that -- fucking hell man, what kind of school board would allow a monstrosity like that to be built? -- here is a school near me:

    https://gruberpopp.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/GPA_OFFE_Ansicht_Fassade-1920x1282.jpg

    The schools look like prisons, minus the orange uniforms (jumpsuits).

    I absolutely love it when the school principal (warden) orders a lockdown.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    There are a few schools with tight dress codes.

    The uniforms from “Escape from Alcatraz (1979)” don’t look too bad.

    http://haphazardstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Escape-From-Alcatraz-1979-Clint-Eastwood-prison-movie.png
  154. @Hypnotoad666

    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous … and sadly typical.
     
    Schools have become fantastically wasteful make work projects for adults.

    The average school district spends about $13,500 per kid. (And that's just operating expenses not capital or facilities). If they are lucky, schools have no more than about 25 kids per classroom. That works out to $337,500 per classroom per year.

    A well-paid, full time teacher probably costs about $75,000, including benefits.

    So where does the other $262,500 per year go?

    The “missing” money goes to where it was intended all along: contractors and vendors, sinecures for administrators, pensions, consultants, and interest to muni bond holders.

  155. @syonredux

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.
     
    It's also social death. The genuine right needs access to the public square.That means YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER.Anything else is ghettoization.

    Free speech is a very secondary issue for me to mass migration. Ultimately it is a Western value, and the more third world we become, the less freedom we will have. Also, better Poland without the first amendment than Bangladesh with it.

    The most direct mechanism is the replacement of traditional white liberals who value free speech with SJWs and POCs. In a 40% minority district, the Dems just don’t need the votes of Nat Hentoff types to win.

    I don’t know how bad, if at all, the Big Tech bans really are for us. As I told Derb in his most recent article, VDare is 99% good to great content, but then they poison the entire well by sporadically running Kevin MacDonald types.

    What the patriotic right requires most right now are pro-Trumpers with message discipline who focus on mass migration and closely related issues like NAM crime. People like Tucker and Ann especially, who go as far as their platforms let them, but stay respectable enough to stay on corporate media.

    As part of this strategy, over-the-top Zionism is an effective tool. The often-Jewish censor sees “potentially troubling” anti-immivasion rhetoric, or “Islamophobia,” but then is reassured by the speakers extreme pro-Israel content.

    And it isn’t just signaling to Jews either, you see on Twitter tons of Trump super-supporters in places like Oklahoma signal they are radical but not “that type” of radical by having US Flag+Israel Flag icons in their profile. I even see this for English patriots on twitter, who do a USA, UK, St George, Star of David flag combo.

    • Agree: Ghost of Bull Moose
  156. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Unions (and things that are effectively unions) insisting on artificial minimum pricing. A stunningly bright engineer friend volunteered at an after school activity introducing automotive work to kids. It got cancelled and he got curious about how they would run out of money for "being in a garage for a couple of hours." A familiar orange-themed (flavored?) hand scrub useful to greasemonkeys came up: the friend recognized it as a good product and guessed what the school paid for it, given its price in a smaller quantity at a hardware store. Oh no, he was told, the school is not allowed to buy it at a store or online. It must be bought through an internal procurement process with its own schedule of prices. And this bureaucratic blight drives the cost of a jar of soap up far enough that you could be buying car parts.

    Schools figured out it was better to pay a little too much consistently than let people buy stuff at artificially inflated prices sometimes way, way too high for kickbacks or out of intimidation. A friend of mine who worked for a New Jersey school district reported that at one time they were paying 2 1/2 times market for floor cleaning supplies. Turns out there was financial feedback.

    NJ is of course the corruptest state there is, but this kind of thing goes back centuries. Schools are run by midwits, but requiring controlled supply chains is a no brainer.

  157. @Buzz Mohawk
    Whenever the topic of vouchers comes up, I think the following:

    1) Vouchers in effect would allow parents to apply the school budget portion of their property tax burden toward paying for schools other than the usual public ones. It's their money and their children. Fair enough.

    2) As a couple without children, my wife and I still pay (exorbitant) property taxes to pay for the public schools that other people send their kids too. We have no choice but to pay for something we do not use. We understand that this is a community thing and that we are part of the community.

    3) If you are going to give some people back their money so they can pay it somewhere else, then you must also give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit. Just like those parents, we are not sending anybody to the public schools. They would not be paying for the public schools that they do not use, so why should we?

    This is a big financial topic, because roughy half of my five-figure annual property tax bill pays for public schools. I want a voucher for that half -- if you are going to give my neighbor one.

    Government workers and contractors, who pay to send their own kids to private schools, are benefiting from a voucher system.

    Think about it.

  158. @Cloudbuster
    I went to a heavily Jewish high school. I took German. Hmm. I wonder if I was subconsciously telling myself something way back then.

    I went to a heavily Jewish high school. I took German. Hmm. I wonder if I was subconsciously telling myself something way back then.

    That you wanted to learn enough German to get Mel Brooks’ Yiddish jokes?

  159. @Olorin
    Don't worry, I hear that there's a not well reported movement afoot to do away with police records for the same "reason"s.

    Once the state has complete power to retcon any individual's history as suits the state's most powerful members, the Final Solution to whitene...I mean Injustice will be achieved.

    I’ve heard about that movement. Regardless, schools and universities love to make an example of their great white defendants and petty white defendants. It genuinely helps balance out the racial math. Remember, deans and administrators can go all out on white kids (especially males.) Before it became legalized/decriminalized in Oregon, underage weed possession was a fairly big deal.

  160. @J.Ross
    "Bartholomew Cubbins, the years you spend at the Terwilliker Academy of Music will be the happiest of your life. Don't try to escape. The barbed wite fence surrounding the compound is electrified."

    I can see why dystopian themed children books are so popular.

  161. @A. E.
    Things like that happen regularly.

    In Basel, Switzerland, in the past, the separation of pupils happened quite early, at the age of 11. Those with better grades went to grammar school (Gymnasium) and so did not have to attend school together with lower-middle class pupils any more. Choosing Latin as the first foreign language furthermore made sure that someone was in a class with a large percentage of upper-class and upper-middle-class pupils.

    In the meantime, there have been many school reforms. In principle, pupils with lower and higher grades are together much longer, and Latin cannot be chosen as the first foreign language any more (as far as I know, it is now just an optional subject and does not influence with whom someone is in class).

    However, there were special classes with more music lessons than normal, and they were mostly chosen by upper-middle-class families, there were many fewer migrant children in these classes, and they had average grade - like classes with Latin as the first foreign language in earlier times. Then, there were discussions whether these music classes should be kept because they and the segregation achieved by them went against the principles of the school reforms.

    In Ontario, the differences between people who took French immersion and regular stream don’t seem to be that noticeable. From my school days, and from what I see now, with my nephew/niece.

  162. @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, that comment is right in my wheelhouse, #280! I've been to traffic schools 3 times, and I am a much better driver for having spent 2 evenings watching the playoffs and talking about how not to get tickets once already pulled over. At least the Highway Department reckoned I was better, having rehabilitated myself.

    Your story is hilarious to me. and I'm sure you're much safer on the road, now that you've been instructed by a Chinaman speaking Japanese working for The State. I want your story that to my blog as an addendum to "Good luck streak in Traffic School". Is that OK with you?

    Go ahead.

    I think all these alternative traffic school classes may be operated by third parties licensed by the authorities, rather than being run directly by the state. Hence the creativity.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  163. @Achmed E. Newman
    Where we live now, there is a new set of Chinese-immersion schools. They teach everything in Chinese in the mornings, I think, and then math and science in English in the afternoons. Some of the kids are Chinese, who really never did learn Chinese yet, and other Chinese kids are in there for the easy grades. There are plenty of white and black children too.

    For the kids' brains, though, nothing is close to being taught two languages from birth. We'd better keep fairly mum on that one, because, once the Commie totalitarians get wind of that, it'll be an excuse to break up the nuclear family even earlier. There's already this push for "pre-K". You've got 4 years to be the ones to teach them right.

    BTW, at the Catholic school, most of the kids opted for Spanish, as it's way easier than Chinese. That means the parents aren't deciding this, so Lot's idea is not being utilized, but I get the point - you need another loophole to avoid saying "no, our kids won't be hanging around those kids, one way or another."

    I'm not sure there will be much left of real America by 2024 anyway, and I never did care about what happened to New Yorkers.

    I met a missionary to China about 10, or maybe 15 years ago, and he had been “in the field” for a little more than a decade at that time. He had some converts to Christianity that he had shepherded. I asked him how he learned Chinese well enough to explain Christianity to the natives so that they could accept Christ. He said that for six years he spent every morning with a Chinese tutor, spent every afternoon walking around the village and trying to talk to anyone who would listen, and spent every evening memorizing ideograms. After six years he could discuss about half of what he would read on the front page of the newspaper all the villagers read.

    Even if the Democrats have their way and run us into the ground, it is difficult to see how Chinese will become the universal “Lingua Franca” under the gentle hand of the Chinese Communist Dictatorship.

  164. @Vinteuil

    I did French in HS and have pretty much regarded it as a mistake since.

    From a practical point of view Spanish seems like the clear choice in the US for this past generation.
     
    From a practical point of view, yes, probably. But, then, practically speaking, few English speakers really need any second language at all.

    When it comes to great literature that one might wish to be able to read in the original, French is the only (living) language that's even playing in the same ballpark as English. Spanish, German, and even Italian are distant runners-up.

    Sound observations, sir, with just this modification suggested: Spanish WILL be necessary, or difficult to do well without, in an ever-growing portion of the US.

    Many people who don’t live in ultra-Hispanic parts of the USA still underestimate the pervasive expansion of Spanish. In hundreds of small cities not normally considered “Mexican cities” or “Latino areas”, Spanish is widely supplementing and sometimes supplanting English.

    When Asian-immigrant restaurant and grocery owners greet you in Spanish, you know the process is dangerously advanced already.

    “Reconquista, It’s Not Just LA, Texas, and Miami Anymore.”

    German, French, Italian, yeah sadly these beautiful and accomplished languages — two of them my family’s ancestral languages — are less worth learning as their people largely have decided to simply die off.

    • Replies: @anon
    sorta agree. my (snow white, but on paper hispanic) wife was wringing her hands about maybe putting our kids in the local public school so they could be in the spanish immersion program. my glib response is "yup, spanish is totally the second language of upwardly-mobile stoop laborer managers." with the way the economic winds are a-blowin', that might be the only way out...

    but, come on, like 80% of the kids are on free or reduced lunch! gimme a break, private school for us. i'm too lazy to have to fight the bureaucracy devoted to molly-coddling the 80% of kids without a future there... i'll outsource to administrators who can kick out trouble makers, and then engage in some jurisdictional legerdemain to get them into the hardcore magnet HS.
  165. @Simply Simon
    Wow! Incredible graphics. Mucho gratias.

    Mucho gratias

    Another one who didn’t take Spanish

  166. @Kronos
    If we invest enough money into the NewSTEM program, those kids will surely climb to the top!

    https://youtu.be/t-PnI-Mqyss

    Not bad, but it was funnier in I’m Gonna Git You Sucka.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I already posted that video some time ago. I gotta keep my reposts funky fresh.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Not bad, but it was funnier in I’m Gonna Git You Sucka.
     
    Which was originally titled Imo Git You Sucka.

    They figured we were to stupid to understand that. Who knows-- maybe we were. They focus-test everything at malls these days. Or those days-- malls, which were once taking over, are now disappearing.
  167. @J.Ross
    Unions (and things that are effectively unions) insisting on artificial minimum pricing. A stunningly bright engineer friend volunteered at an after school activity introducing automotive work to kids. It got cancelled and he got curious about how they would run out of money for "being in a garage for a couple of hours." A familiar orange-themed (flavored?) hand scrub useful to greasemonkeys came up: the friend recognized it as a good product and guessed what the school paid for it, given its price in a smaller quantity at a hardware store. Oh no, he was told, the school is not allowed to buy it at a store or online. It must be bought through an internal procurement process with its own schedule of prices. And this bureaucratic blight drives the cost of a jar of soap up far enough that you could be buying car parts.

    “And this bureaucratic blight drives the cost of a jar of soap up far enough that you could be buying car parts.”

    Some 30 odd years ago as a teacher I was pondering getting a VHS copy of Olivier’s “Hamlet” — because showing a film is a great way to avoid doing any work for a few days, and as a high school teacher your job is mostly a waste of everyone’s time.

    Well, the film was going for like $30 retail at the time. In the school supply catalog from whence we were supposed to order, it was selling for $400. No joke.

    Whatever your wildest imagination tells you about the waste, grifting and corruption in our schools, the reality is ten times worse.

  168. @Anon
    In Los Angeles you can sometimes get out of a speeding ticket by taking a few-hour class in traffic safety. Originally off duty cops would lead classes that concentrated on showing gruesome accident videos. Then an entrepreneur got the idea to organize classes led by struggling comedians, which were more entertaining.

    Since I was studying Japanese I went in another direction and signed up to take the class in Japanese. It turned out that the teacher was Chinese, who could speak a little Japanese, and the class was supposed to be bilingual. All the other students were Chinese. To his credit the teacher every once in a while said something to me in Japanese, but most of the time I had no clue what was being talked about.

    Nevertheless, it was enough to keep my driving record clean.

    Then an entrepreneur got the idea to organize classes led by struggling comedians, which were more entertaining.

    Did you ever go to a traffic school called “Lettuce amuse you”? Just askin’ for a friend.

  169. @Redneck farmer
    Not bad, but it was funnier in I'm Gonna Git You Sucka.

    I already posted that video some time ago. I gotta keep my reposts funky fresh.

  170. @Abolish_public_education
    The schools look like prisons, minus the orange uniforms (jumpsuits).

    I absolutely love it when the school principal (warden) orders a lockdown.

    There are a few schools with tight dress codes.

    The uniforms from “Escape from Alcatraz (1979)” don’t look too bad.

  171. @nebulafox
    Chinese really is not that bad of a language to learn once you strip away the character system and the tones: it's *very* straightforward and logical compared to English, grammar-wise. If you ask someone in Mandarin whether they want a beer or not, it is literally "ni yao bu yao pijiu ma?" which is literally "you want no want beer?".

    (Next time a Chinese shopkeeper asks you a question sounding like that in English, keep in mind, that's how it would literally sound in Mandarin: he's not trying to be rude.)

    I think it is the character system that throws a lot of people off. It's fun once you get the hang of it, but I can get how it discourages casual learners. The tones can be annoying, but usually there's enough context in a sentence to understand what someone means, and the Chinese tend to very forgiving and slow with visibly non-Chinese people trying Mandarin.

    The tones are a big bugaboo, IMO, Nebula. I say that as someone too old to get it right in my head easily. It’s one thing for listening. You may think you heard a certain syllable or word, but often you are wrong, because that it was the same sound (consonants and values), different tone.

    For speaking, I can’t even …. OK, I can – I and a friend were trying to tell the taxi driver an address. He was not familiar with it, in downtown Shanghai, 3 times the size of NYC. I tried to tell him, and then my friend who had watched a good bit of youtube Chinese instruction tried it. No go. Ahbaa! I found the business card with the address in my pocket finally.

    I gave it to him. “Oh, Lieu-waaah-Lu!” “That’s what the f__k we’ve just been saying!” we both said at the same time. Nope, but their ears are in tune for tones, and if you say a syllable with the wrong one, it’s like a different syllable to them. That is very hard to get right.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Cantonese has even more tones than Mandarin, and can get more information into a single character that way.

    For example, the Mandarin 4th tone Shang, as is Shanghai, can mean the verb ascend or it can mean on top of. Hai is ocean, so Shanghai means on top of the ocean.

    In Cantonese I gather they have different tones for the different Shang usages. They still have to share a written language with Mandarin, so both usages have the same character.
  172. @Kronos
    If we invest enough money into the NewSTEM program, those kids will surely climb to the top!

    https://youtu.be/t-PnI-Mqyss

    Haha, thanks.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    But Redneck Farmer is correct, this one is REALLY funny (mainly on having a superior budget and many actors.)

    https://youtu.be/NJNAE_e-gM0
  173. @Buzz Mohawk
    In Dan Brown's novel, Inferno, someone creates a virus that randomly sterilizes one-third of humanity to reign in population growth.

    It must have been the zeitgeist, because I had the same idea months before the book was published -- but the virus was designed to be choosy in what kinds of humans it would sterilize. Many other people must have thought of the same thing. It's probably appeared in lots of science fiction stories over the years.

    One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    It’s possible.

  174. @Reg Cæsar
    New York City (metro area, actually) drops off this list in a few decades. What rises to the top vividly illustrates "The World's Most Important Graph".


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jCioztj_c

    The future brought to you by Bill Gates. This is the result of his 25 years of philanthropy in Africa and South Asia, saving all those babies with his vaccines, vitamins, free food.

    Thanks Bill. Now why don’t you pack up the wife and kids and go join your people in Kinshasa.

  175. Do it de Blasio, nuke the gifted program. That’s what they elected you for.

    Grow a pair!

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Remember, all his kids graduated before this crazy was unleashed.
  176. Abandoning the classics in the early 20th century was one of the more destructive things that happened in US education, particularly for reasonably intelligent high-school students. The classics were undermined by Dewey progressives, Jewish intellectuals, and those that wanted a practical, “factory model” for education. By shedding this supposedly antiquated, elitist model of education, we were supposed to gain students better-equipped for life and from a wider pool of society.

    Of course, these gains never materialized. The cost was that each successive generation drifted further from Western civilization. As it turns out, having kids learn “useless” Latin and Greek stories is also a great way to internalize Western thought.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @sayless
    Would agree twice if I could, Hopscotch.
  177. @Lot
    The kids with a future group only have to care about their “permanent record” if they do something that males them vulnerable to mobbing.

    Journalist/professor/ad executive: be very worried of the SJW mob

    Programmer/underwater welder/nursing home compliance director/trucking executive: far less vulnerable.

    Programmer/underwater welder/nursing home compliance director/trucking executive: far less vulnerable.

    Uh, no. Of common occupations, we’re easily in the top ten if not top five most vulnerable to SJW mobbing. Source: am one. See also: James Damore.

    • Replies: @anon
    do tell...
  178. @Lot
    Having someone’s IP address isn’t enough to dox them, though you can narrow down their metro area, assuming you are sure they are not using a proxy.

    Having SJWs with a big list of “people who watch vdare TV” ip addresses does not seem too threatening to me. If I were a nefarious doxxing antifa I’d just set up a honeypot site that required email registration.

    There are I am sure a ton of “far right” sites with bad security whose server logs can be downloaded. Same fairly useless data, which itself decays as IP addresses gradually change.

    Even the record labels who can subpoena ISPs to get names behind IPs mostly have given up.

    You’re right; I was inexact and overdramatic in my phrasing. It would give SJWs a big head start in doxxing people who watch VDare videos.

  179. NYC public schools are 14.8 White 15 Asian 40 Hispanic 27 percent black. Staten Island schools are 47 percent White.

    77 percent are officially poor. That’s probably the free lunch stats.

    Asian and Whites are almost 30 percent. I’m surprised there are so many Whites.

  180. @RadicalCenter
    Not to be too harsh, but in practice, offering large cash payments to induce the usa’s big-city populations to voluntarily sterilize themselves, would be progress for all other people here. This could be tubal ligation or vasectomy at their option.

    What a wonderful cascading series of benefits, without anything more complicated or intrusive than that. With no violence and no coercion.

    FAR fewer murders, fewer women brutalized by rape, fewer vehicles so less air pollution, less food stamp and Medicaid and other welfare dependency, fewer prison guards and “social workers”, less crowded hospitals, safer schools and streets, less fear and tension in public places, safer more pleasant and widely used mass transit (again less pollution), eventually perhaps fewer prosecutors and probation officers. And on and on.

    All peacefully, and the law would not be racially discriminatory.

    Any resident of a particularly large or overcrowded and/or relatively heavily polluted city, would be eligible.

    Not hard to use air-pollution measurements and population density statistics to determine eligibility fairly and neutrally. It makes sense to encourage people in already polluted, overcrowded areas not to exacerbate the health and social problems that come by further increasing the population in that region.

    All peacefully, and the law would not be racially discriminatory.

    Why a law? Why not private– and quiet– donations?

    That would be easier to initiate, and harder to stop.

  181. @Redneck farmer
    Not bad, but it was funnier in I'm Gonna Git You Sucka.

    Not bad, but it was funnier in I’m Gonna Git You Sucka.

    Which was originally titled Imo Git You Sucka.

    They figured we were to stupid to understand that. Who knows– maybe we were. They focus-test everything at malls these days. Or those days– malls, which were once taking over, are now disappearing.

  182. @AnotherDad

    Maybe school itself will start to go out of fashion?
     
    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous ... and sadly typical.

    We aren't a nation anymore so "public education" makes even less sense.

    Conservatives should be pushing vouchers for the obvious reasons:
    -- stop the leftist indoctrination of their kids
    -- teach our kids within our--Western Christian--culture and tradition
    -- allow our kids to escape from the riff-raff
    -- defund a massive leftist make-work employment project.

    But also to free us from this Fordist model and allow some actual innovation. Even within the broad "show up a school" model, we can do a lot better. And incredibly better for boys who are very poorly served by the increasingly feminized school system.

    This is a 100% obvious solution.

    I think that a Republican politician has nothing to lose by attacking public schools (or fully cut any public school funding), and especially attacking failed public schools. Despite voter apathy, giving their kids a correct education is one of the rare things that will mobilize middle class voters.

    One of the issues with the current situation, though, is that the current system set out a few safety valves so that upper-middle class parents can save their kids from the school system. In order to prevent them from trying to overthrow it (and instead, many support a school system that prevents privileged kids facing competition from kids with pooorer social background).

  183. @Tired of Not Winning
    Do it de Blasio, nuke the gifted program. That's what they elected you for.

    Grow a pair!

    Remember, all his kids graduated before this crazy was unleashed.

  184. @AnotherDad
    Buzz, sorry you and your bride don't have kids. We're empty nesters ourselves and paying big tax bills to two separate school systems neither of which we have kids in.

    But i don't agree with your logic here. It's actually related to the nonsense you hear from teachers' unions about "public school dollars".

    No, these are just "taxes". The the purpose of those tax dollars is not "public schools", it is to educate the communty's children--which has all sorts of positive downstream benefits. But it should be done as effectively and efficiently as possible. Children educated as well as possible at least possible cost.


    A fine argument over "how much" education--fine. But i don't find anything compelling about "must be in our excessively bureaucratic, full of well-compensated and ridiculously well pensioned staffers, public school".

    If that's compelling, logically we should toss Pell Grants, student loans, GI bill--and send all those folks to their designated "public college". Medicare and Medicaid patients go to "Medicare/caid hospitals". Cancel social secuity and just have seniors head to their "Public retirement center". Cancel food stamps--"Public cafeteria". And stop cash welfare and pack those single mothers into "Public dormitories for improvident single mothers" where the can be carefully watched and birthcontrol is mandatory. (Hmm, kinda like that last one.)

    Your argument is certainly sound. I will just respectfully address one aspect of it by offering my perspective:

    You say,

    No, these are just “taxes”. The the purpose of those tax dollars is not “public schools”, it is to educate the communty’s children…

    That is correct, but I can have some say in what our public schools do with my money. I can run for the school board, for example. Also, in my town residents vote on the school budget every year and can speak at town meetings about it.

    Whereas, I have no say in the functioning of the private schools to which my neighbor would send his kids with our collective tax money. My property taxes would subsidize his voucher, but I would have no influence over what those schools do and how they educate the community’s children. That is taxation without representation.

    He would have some influence over the private schools, by virtue of being their customer, while I would not. He therefore would have a power that I would not have, at my expense.

    I am not against school vouchers, but if my money is being used to subsidize them, and it would be, then I want my money back.

    My argument is not against your preference for private schools and freedom to decide how to spend your money for your children’s education. Public schools are an iStevey joke, but they weren’t always that. The only reason we are discussing vouchers is because something needs to be fixed. Vouchers would enable us to avoid the problem rather than fix it.

    It’s either that, or let’s scrap public schools altogether — and make people pay for their own children’s education. You could get me to support that.

  185. dux.ie [AKA "BlackPajama"] says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    In Dan Brown's novel, Inferno, someone creates a virus that randomly sterilizes one-third of humanity to reign in population growth.

    It must have been the zeitgeist, because I had the same idea months before the book was published -- but the virus was designed to be choosy in what kinds of humans it would sterilize. Many other people must have thought of the same thing. It's probably appeared in lots of science fiction stories over the years.

    One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    > One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    It is already spreading in US. People with the CCR5 Delta32 mutation have resistance to HIV but are very much more susceptable to the West Nile virus. Nowadays HIV is manageable but there is no cure for WNV. CCR5 Delta32 also enhances IQ. About 17% of People with Northern European ancestry have the CCR5 Delta32 mutation while the Blacks only 2%. Thus the WNV asymetrically attacks the Whites, to be more specific the more intelligent Whites. WNV ignores the social justice wankers’ assertion that there are no biological races.

    The hot-bed for WNV is the Middle East and the virus has also spread to Europe, but it did not cross the narrow English Channel to Britain. It is a mystry why the WNV can cross the Atlantic Ocean to New York and spreads to every parts of US and part of Canada. It was alleged that it was Saddam’s favorite potential WMD.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16418398
    “CCR5 deficiency increases risk of symptomatic West Nile virus infection.”

    Recently, we showed that the chemokine receptor CCR5 is critical for survival of mice infected with WNV, acting at the level of leukocyte trafficking to the brain. To test whether this receptor is also protective in man, we determined the frequency of CCR5Δ32, a defective CCR5 allele found predominantly in Caucasians, in two independent cohorts of patients, one from Arizona and the other from Colorado, who had laboratory-confirmed, symptomatic WNV infection.

    CCR5Delta32 homozygosity was significantly associated with fatal outcome in the Arizona cohort (OddRatio = 13.2, pval=0.03)

    Re-calculation of ArizonaWNV+ from Glass et al Table II, instead of getting the percentages horizontally for intra-racial comparisons, re-calculate them vertically for inter-racial comparisons,

    Cohort|CCR5++ ||CCR5- mutation
    White |115/131 (87.8%)||28/31 (90.30%) <===
    Black | 90/199 (45.2%)||14/31 (45.16%)

    The infection rates for Whites with or without the CCR5 Delta32 are about 90%, double that for Blacks. And those social justice wankers wanted to ban the research on WNV prevention from CCR5 Delta32 gene editing. They are worthy of the Darwin Award.

  186. @syonredux

    The best solution I see for VDare if it cannot get back on is to use torrents.

    That would enable SJWs to dox everyone who watches one of their videos.
     
    It's also social death. The genuine right needs access to the public square.That means YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER.Anything else is ghettoization.

    The algorithm manipulation means right wing content is already ghettoized even on big platforms.

    Check out the like dislike ratios… the best channels on youtube (morgoth’s review, ramzpaul, black pilled, american renaissance, etc) get almost all likes on their videos because no one finds them who isn’t specifically looking for them. The algorithm has explicit blacklists to hide this normie friendly right wing content from normie eyes.

  187. @J.Ross
    Rubbish and ignorance, Lot is on the short list for best commenter (or is the representative Zionist among the best commenters). Jack D self-destructs with his doggedness, Lot has the same fixations but isn't as strident. Lot has offered several comments, which will never be acted upon by the idiots who rule us, but which totally work as policy prescriprions and as popular campaign platforms. There are many good comments but not many have been so practical.

    bored identity strongly agrees;

    Lot never menschtruates, Lot doesn’t futz around, Lot doesn’t kvetch, and Lot ain’t schmaltzy…

    …unlike Tdzak D.

  188. @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, thanks.

    But Redneck Farmer is correct, this one is REALLY funny (mainly on having a superior budget and many actors.)

  189. @Buzz Mohawk
    In Dan Brown's novel, Inferno, someone creates a virus that randomly sterilizes one-third of humanity to reign in population growth.

    It must have been the zeitgeist, because I had the same idea months before the book was published -- but the virus was designed to be choosy in what kinds of humans it would sterilize. Many other people must have thought of the same thing. It's probably appeared in lots of science fiction stories over the years.

    One wonders if this is possible, and shudders to think of the consequences if anyone were to have such power.

    Thanos in Avengers Infinity

    But it’s 1/2 the Universe.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    These days environmentalists who propose ZPG or NPG (Zero and Negative Population Growth) are called “eco-fascists” by the Left wingers, sad to say.

    I’ve sometimes wondered if the Thanos movies weren’t meant to disparage ZPG and NPG. As in, look how much happier everyone is with lots and lots of people around!!

    It is quite likely that at some point disease, war, or some combination of the two will make a dent in our population. That last happened on a worldwide basis from around WW I through the Cultural Revolution, including the Flu, two world wars and probably over 100 million dead from Communist purges. The population is increasing so rapidly now that these barely slowed down the population growth. Even a Thanos style wiping out of half the population would take us back to where we were a few decades ago.
  190. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Sound observations, sir, with just this modification suggested: Spanish WILL be necessary, or difficult to do well without, in an ever-growing portion of the US.

    Many people who don’t live in ultra-Hispanic parts of the USA still underestimate the pervasive expansion of Spanish. In hundreds of small cities not normally considered “Mexican cities” or “Latino areas”, Spanish is widely supplementing and sometimes supplanting English.

    When Asian-immigrant restaurant and grocery owners greet you in Spanish, you know the process is dangerously advanced already.

    “Reconquista, It’s Not Just LA, Texas, and Miami Anymore.”

    German, French, Italian, yeah sadly these beautiful and accomplished languages — two of them my family's ancestral languages — are less worth learning as their people largely have decided to simply die off.

    sorta agree. my (snow white, but on paper hispanic) wife was wringing her hands about maybe putting our kids in the local public school so they could be in the spanish immersion program. my glib response is “yup, spanish is totally the second language of upwardly-mobile stoop laborer managers.” with the way the economic winds are a-blowin’, that might be the only way out…

    but, come on, like 80% of the kids are on free or reduced lunch! gimme a break, private school for us. i’m too lazy to have to fight the bureaucracy devoted to molly-coddling the 80% of kids without a future there… i’ll outsource to administrators who can kick out trouble makers, and then engage in some jurisdictional legerdemain to get them into the hardcore magnet HS.

  191. @snorlax

    Programmer/underwater welder/nursing home compliance director/trucking executive: far less vulnerable.
     
    Uh, no. Of common occupations, we're easily in the top ten if not top five most vulnerable to SJW mobbing. Source: am one. See also: James Damore.

    do tell…

  192. @Jack D
    For most Americans, foreign language skill are not career essentials. Given that they already speak the global lingua franca, other languages are nice to have and can be useful in certain niches but they don't change career outcomes for most people. So it really doesn't make a difference if you learn Spanish or French or Chinese or fading German or whatever - you'll be fine no matter which one you pick.

    Chinese is good for people who have the brains for it, but not everyone does. For more average kids, Spanish is probably the better choice. Not all languages are equally difficult to learn coming from English. Chinese ranks among the more difficult with its unfamiliar tonal system and character based writing system (although the grammar is rather simple - no need to conjugate verbs). Spanish is much easier because English speakers already know some of the Latin roots and because spelling is very easy to master (although not so easy that I don't see menus in Mexican restaurants full of spelling mistakes).

    Chinese ranks among the more difficult with its unfamiliar tonal system and character based writing system (although the grammar is rather simple – no need to conjugate verbs).

    This bit about the grammar might be true if morphological complexity were the only way that languages could be simple or complex. But often what morphological simplicity gives, syntactic complexity takes away—it’s almost like there is some constant degree of complexity that must exist in any language or it would cease to perform its basic function of communicating information with any degree of usefulness.

    In other words, you can get away with a low level of inflection (conjugations, declensions, etc) as long as you have very complicated rules about how words must be arranged or otherwise marked (for their grammatical roles) in a sentence. This is the case for English as well—not even the simplest of gender distinctions remains in common nouns, and verb conjugations are pretty simple. But instead there are many pesky rules about how words must be ordered, and new auxiliary verbs sprout up for even more complications. Why nobody understands that?

    The same thing applies for Chinese. Western learners generally have a tough time with Chinese grammar, and the ones who claim there is no grammar are just demonstrating they don’t know the first thing about it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Verb tenses are (mainly) meant to indicate past/present/future, which as you say is a form of information. If you omit this information it leads to ambiguity because you don't know when the verb happened.

    In the case of Chinese, past/present/future is indicated thru context or additional characters such as le or guo. So the information gets conveyed, just not thru verb conjugation.

    I don't think there is some kind of rule of overall conservation of complexity - it's just that the necessary information gets conveyed in different ways in different languages (and in many languages there is information that is redundant or surplus and could be dropped without loss - you don't have to conjugate verbs AND nouns, you don't have to identify chairs as feminine or masculine, etc.) Plurals (which Chinese doesn't have) are also redundant to a large extent (or at least sometimes). If I say "May I have 8 chopstick" or "a few chopstick" the pluralization is redundant - if I'm asking for 8 or a few then you already know it's more than 1 and the s does nothing.

    And English spelling is unnecessarily complex purely for historical reasons - that's a complete own goal.


    Other types of information are culturally bound - in many languages there are formal and informal persons but in an egalitarian culture it's not necessary to distinguish.
  193. @AnotherDad
    Buzz, sorry you and your bride don't have kids. We're empty nesters ourselves and paying big tax bills to two separate school systems neither of which we have kids in.

    But i don't agree with your logic here. It's actually related to the nonsense you hear from teachers' unions about "public school dollars".

    No, these are just "taxes". The the purpose of those tax dollars is not "public schools", it is to educate the communty's children--which has all sorts of positive downstream benefits. But it should be done as effectively and efficiently as possible. Children educated as well as possible at least possible cost.


    A fine argument over "how much" education--fine. But i don't find anything compelling about "must be in our excessively bureaucratic, full of well-compensated and ridiculously well pensioned staffers, public school".

    If that's compelling, logically we should toss Pell Grants, student loans, GI bill--and send all those folks to their designated "public college". Medicare and Medicaid patients go to "Medicare/caid hospitals". Cancel social secuity and just have seniors head to their "Public retirement center". Cancel food stamps--"Public cafeteria". And stop cash welfare and pack those single mothers into "Public dormitories for improvident single mothers" where the can be carefully watched and birthcontrol is mandatory. (Hmm, kinda like that last one.)

    The purpose of those tax dollars is not “public schools”, it is to educate the communty’s children–which has all sorts of positive downstream benefits.

    Does it though?

  194. @Achmed E. Newman
    The tones are a big bugaboo, IMO, Nebula. I say that as someone too old to get it right in my head easily. It's one thing for listening. You may think you heard a certain syllable or word, but often you are wrong, because that it was the same sound (consonants and values), different tone.

    For speaking, I can't even .... OK, I can - I and a friend were trying to tell the taxi driver an address. He was not familiar with it, in downtown Shanghai, 3 times the size of NYC. I tried to tell him, and then my friend who had watched a good bit of youtube Chinese instruction tried it. No go. Ahbaa! I found the business card with the address in my pocket finally.

    I gave it to him. "Oh, Lieu-waaah-Lu!" "That's what the f__k we've just been saying!" we both said at the same time. Nope, but their ears are in tune for tones, and if you say a syllable with the wrong one, it's like a different syllable to them. That is very hard to get right.

    Cantonese has even more tones than Mandarin, and can get more information into a single character that way.

    For example, the Mandarin 4th tone Shang, as is Shanghai, can mean the verb ascend or it can mean on top of. Hai is ocean, so Shanghai means on top of the ocean.

    In Cantonese I gather they have different tones for the different Shang usages. They still have to share a written language with Mandarin, so both usages have the same character.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Because they share a writing system, they can't really attach different meanings to 上, which in Cantonese is pronounced soeng with the 5th tone (tone 5 is a rising tone like tone 2 in Mandarin (and Cantonese) but starts out lower). All the meanings of 上 in Cantonese as in Mandarin are related in some way to the concept of upper, on top of, ascending, etc.

    There are many other characters pronounced soeng 1 to 6 that have completely different meanings but 上 always means the same thing (and as it happens, there are no other characters that are pronounced soneng with the 5th tone). However, a whole bunch of characters (and therefore words or concepts) are pronounced soeng1 - in writing there is no ambiguity but in conversation you have to understand from the context which soeng1 they are talking about.

    And sometimes a character pronounced soeng1 is shāng in Mandarin and other times it's xiāng but in Cantonese they merge just like pin/pen merges in Southern US English. Again, there's usually no problem just as in English - if someone in Alabama says "I need to write a note - do you have a pin?" you know to give them a ballpoint and not a straight pin. And in writing it's no problem at all because the characters are different. If it's not entirely clear in speech you can say "ink pin". And the same in Cantonese or Mandarin.

    It makes more sense to think of Cantonese as an extreme form of regional dialect rather than a completely different language than Mandarin. It's like Jamaican patois - some of the pronunciations have shifted so much that they are no longer intelligible to standard English speakers, but they are still speaking English.
  195. @Travis
    Yet other schools districts which segregate their students via "testing" would be quickly sued by the federal government and any such attempts to segregate the Black students from the whites would be banned. Even if the "segregation" occurs in the same school , tracking of students by abilities it not permuted here in New Jersey.

    “Eliminating tracking is necessary because (the district’s) current practice has a disparate, negative impact on students of color,” the complaint read. The tracking derived “from school and district policies and practices that systematically favor and encourage the enrollment of white students in AP courses, while funneling black and Hispanic students into lower-level remedial courses.

    The Obama justice department came down on the School districts here in New Jersey which used testing as justification for segregating students by ability, which resulted in AP classes which were 70% White and 16% Black in a school which is 55% White and 45% Black.

    https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-announces-resolution-south-orange-maplewood-nj-school-di
    U.S. Department of Education Announces Resolution of South Orange-Maplewood, N.J., School District Civil Rights Investigation. Black Students to be Afforded Equal Access to Advanced, Higher-Level Learning Opportunities. the School district agreed to eliminate tracking and allow all students to enroll in AP classes to settle with the US Department of Education.

    The DoE and advocates have said tracking perpetuates a modern system of segregation that favors white students and keeps students of color, many of them black, from long-term equal achievement. Now the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights is trying to change the system, one school district at a time. https://qz.com/289843/60-years-late-the-us-is-finally-trying-to-desegregate-its-classrooms/

    advocates have said tracking… keeps students of color… from long-term equal achievement.

    So the solution here was to open AP classes to everyone. Should we expect another lawsuit when POC get worse grades and have un

    • Replies: @Travis
    yes , another lawsuit has already been filed against the School district... because they have two middle Schools , one is mostly white thus must be shuttered....they are spending $95 million to combine the two middle schools to end the segregation and help close the gap.

    strange how a school which is 15% Black is too white in New Jersey...while NYC is allowed to have schools which are 1% Black
    , @bomag
    ...when POC get worse grades and have unequal outcomes under the new regime?
  196. @Travis
    Yet other schools districts which segregate their students via "testing" would be quickly sued by the federal government and any such attempts to segregate the Black students from the whites would be banned. Even if the "segregation" occurs in the same school , tracking of students by abilities it not permuted here in New Jersey.

    “Eliminating tracking is necessary because (the district’s) current practice has a disparate, negative impact on students of color,” the complaint read. The tracking derived “from school and district policies and practices that systematically favor and encourage the enrollment of white students in AP courses, while funneling black and Hispanic students into lower-level remedial courses.

    The Obama justice department came down on the School districts here in New Jersey which used testing as justification for segregating students by ability, which resulted in AP classes which were 70% White and 16% Black in a school which is 55% White and 45% Black.

    https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-department-education-announces-resolution-south-orange-maplewood-nj-school-di
    U.S. Department of Education Announces Resolution of South Orange-Maplewood, N.J., School District Civil Rights Investigation. Black Students to be Afforded Equal Access to Advanced, Higher-Level Learning Opportunities. the School district agreed to eliminate tracking and allow all students to enroll in AP classes to settle with the US Department of Education.

    The DoE and advocates have said tracking perpetuates a modern system of segregation that favors white students and keeps students of color, many of them black, from long-term equal achievement. Now the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights is trying to change the system, one school district at a time. https://qz.com/289843/60-years-late-the-us-is-finally-trying-to-desegregate-its-classrooms/

    advocates have said tracking… keeps students of color… from long-term equal achievement.

    So the solution here was to open AP classes to everyone. Should we expect another lawsuit when POC get worse grades and have unequal outcomes under this mandated system?

    As long as blank-slatism is the ruling orthodoxy, public schooling will migrate to lowest common denominator instruction; advancement will take place somewhere else.

  197. @Ron B Liebermann
    Paleo,

    Believe me, the government will never "reform" the school system. It can't, and there are several reasons. First of all, there is no way to defeat the Teacher's Union. Bad teachers keep thier jobs forever. Second, the school system is a political organization; it's an organ of the state. The job of "public schools" is to teach children not to think. Only follow orders. Most kids have no choice in the classes which they will attend. And if they do get a choice, it excludes any discussion of civics, taxes, unions, or morality. Schools carefully steer the kids away from any subject which might impact the ability of the government to rule by fiat. That's why they promote "STEM." Science classes are completely apolitical, so the kids won't ask any embarrassing questions. Third, "reform" would imply opening the books, and allowing the public to see the salaries of the bloated bureaucracy. But if they open those books, they might have to open other books too. Can't have that! So there is only one reform possible: Close the public schools. And then close all the other boondoggle government agencies. We don't need HUD. They decide who should get a free apartment. We don't need a department of Veteran's affairs. Veteran's are just regular people; they don't qualify for special treatment. We don't need a V.A. hospital system either, regular hospitals are fine. We don't need a department of Health and Human Services: America provides medical care through Insurance, through State Programs, and through free clinics. We don't need a department of Justice, either: we already have a court system, with Federal Prosecutors. We don't need a department of Transportation. It's just bunch of Union thugs who bid-up the price of road contracts; while Ling Ling watches. And let's be honest: our crappy cars are getting more and more expensive. In fact, you can buy a new car in India for $2,500 dollars. And finally, we don't need a department of Agriculture. It's not the job of the American tax-payer to guarantee farmers a profit. Good farmers make plenty of money.

    Whoa! Dude! Entirely too much sense.

    But when all the productive work is done by machines and one percent of the people, society has to make work for the rest of the able bodied.

  198. @Kronos
    Thanos in Avengers Infinity

    But it’s 1/2 the Universe.

    https://youtu.be/cM-DoO84Sf4

    These days environmentalists who propose ZPG or NPG (Zero and Negative Population Growth) are called “eco-fascists” by the Left wingers, sad to say.

    I’ve sometimes wondered if the Thanos movies weren’t meant to disparage ZPG and NPG. As in, look how much happier everyone is with lots and lots of people around!!

    It is quite likely that at some point disease, war, or some combination of the two will make a dent in our population. That last happened on a worldwide basis from around WW I through the Cultural Revolution, including the Flu, two world wars and probably over 100 million dead from Communist purges. The population is increasing so rapidly now that these barely slowed down the population growth. Even a Thanos style wiping out of half the population would take us back to where we were a few decades ago.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Just means he needs to snap his fingers (literally) every few years.
  199. @Hypnotoad666

    The sad/infuriating/funny thing is that the ostensible goal of the policy change — desegregating NYC schools — is mathematically impossible.
     
    This is just one symptom of the bigger problem that these lefty knuckleheads don't actually have a clue what they mean by "segregation" and "integration."

    For example, What percentage of magic whites are required at a school before minorities can start to learn? Why don't whites get racial "integration" from being around Asians? Why don't blacks get their needed racial "integration" from Hispanics? It's all a big mystery.

    Mainly, they can't figure it out because there's no actual evidence of racial integration doing any good for anybody to begin with.

    Well, of course, “segregation” and “integration” aren’t being used in a coherent way, but that’s a feature, not a bug. They’re being used because everyone knows that segregation is bad and integration is good, so any policy that promotes integration must be good. See also “diversity.”

  200. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos
    It’s interesting these schools existed for a time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finishing_school

    In Japan many girls are sent to tea ceremony classes or kimono schools, whose ulterior motive seems to be the same as finishing schools.

    There are manners schools in the U.S., and in fact are popular with many middle class black families, where you learn how to dress, move, speak, eat at a formal dinner, and the like.

  201. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    In middle school we had a week of gym class devoted to square dancing, with an optional after school dance at the end of the week.

    It was even more fun than it looks.

    I remember a social dance week in junior high phys ed. Each boy had to ask a girl to dance. Those were the days when part of the school’s job was to help kids socially adjust to adulthood.

    I read recently where a Utah school had a dance, and a mother freaked out because she thought it was training her girl to be raped, i.e., there was a rule that a girl could not turn down a dance if asked by a boy (unless she sat out the particular song or something). The mother’s logic was that it trained girls that they had to do what men asked them to do.

    In my day teachers kind of kept an eye on your temperament and social development and nudged you to certain activities. There were clubs for developing the shy, such as one that supplied ushers for events. You got a tap on the shoulder from the teacher for that.

    I think that open showers in gym were intended to kind of force kids to get used to their bodies. It’s my impression that this is long gone, but with internet porn, exposing your body to others is obsolete anyway. Well, except for the doctor. When millennials reach the age where things start to go wrong and medical visits increase, we may read trend stories about body exposure anxiety and delayed medical visits and the like.

  202. @Paleo Liberal
    Cantonese has even more tones than Mandarin, and can get more information into a single character that way.

    For example, the Mandarin 4th tone Shang, as is Shanghai, can mean the verb ascend or it can mean on top of. Hai is ocean, so Shanghai means on top of the ocean.

    In Cantonese I gather they have different tones for the different Shang usages. They still have to share a written language with Mandarin, so both usages have the same character.

    Because they share a writing system, they can’t really attach different meanings to 上, which in Cantonese is pronounced soeng with the 5th tone (tone 5 is a rising tone like tone 2 in Mandarin (and Cantonese) but starts out lower). All the meanings of 上 in Cantonese as in Mandarin are related in some way to the concept of upper, on top of, ascending, etc.

    There are many other characters pronounced soeng 1 to 6 that have completely different meanings but 上 always means the same thing (and as it happens, there are no other characters that are pronounced soneng with the 5th tone). However, a whole bunch of characters (and therefore words or concepts) are pronounced soeng1 – in writing there is no ambiguity but in conversation you have to understand from the context which soeng1 they are talking about.

    And sometimes a character pronounced soeng1 is shāng in Mandarin and other times it’s xiāng but in Cantonese they merge just like pin/pen merges in Southern US English. Again, there’s usually no problem just as in English – if someone in Alabama says “I need to write a note – do you have a pin?” you know to give them a ballpoint and not a straight pin. And in writing it’s no problem at all because the characters are different. If it’s not entirely clear in speech you can say “ink pin”. And the same in Cantonese or Mandarin.

    It makes more sense to think of Cantonese as an extreme form of regional dialect rather than a completely different language than Mandarin. It’s like Jamaican patois – some of the pronunciations have shifted so much that they are no longer intelligible to standard English speakers, but they are still speaking English.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    You probably know more about Cantonese than I do.

    My wife speaks Toisan at home (Taishan in Mandarin). When she got to the US, ALL the Chinese kids were put into a program where they were taught in Cantonese. For my wife, that was easy. Toisan and Cantonese are extremely similar, being dialects of two different counties in the same province. I gather Mandarin is about as different from Cantonese as English is from Dutch. The Mandarin students picked up Cantonese rather easily, but not quite as easily as the Toisan students.

    I think about how I've traveled in the Netherlands, and just about everyone there, even blue collar workers, speaks English. However Dutch is even closer to German. Some of the Germans I have known claim that Dutch is just a different dialect of German.

    So this really raises the question as to what is a language, and what is a dialect. Some claim that the different types of English, such as Ebonics, or Jamaican Patois, or Hawaiian Creole, should be counted as separate languages. Others say that Cantonese and Mandarin should be counted as separate languages. Others say German and Dutch are just different dialects of the same language.

    All of these questions are above my pay grade.

    It used to get really interesting when we would go to my wife's family. My mother-in-law speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Toisan, and the language of the country where she was born (which I will NOT identify). My wife speaks English, Cantonese, Toisan and X. When my brother-in-law's wife first came over, she only spoke Mandarin and X. She has since learned English and Toisan. My other brother-in-law married a lady from China, so at first she only spoke Mandarin, but she has learned Toisan and some English. I speak English and some Mandarin,

    It used to be that when my mother-in-law, my wife and I were talking together, I would speak to my mother-in-law and my sisters-in-law in Mandarin, but with my wife in English. My mother-in-law and my wife would speak to each other and the rest of the family in Toisan, but they would speak to one of my sisters-in-law in X. Then, when a friend would come over, they would speak Cantonese with the friend, unless the friend was from X country, and then they would speak X. It was not uncommon for 5 different dialects/languages to be spoken within a few minutes. X is from a completely different linguistic group than the Chinese languages/dialects.

    As I have mentioned a few times, it is not wise if people from Madison can figure out who I am. If I mentioned the country X from which my wife comes, that narrows things down way too much.
  203. DeBlasio cannot make up his mind.

    First he wanted more gifted and talented programs (one in every school district) because that was the key to getting more black and hispanic kids into the elite Science/Tech schools. He wants those schools to mirror the percentage of black and hispanics kids in the public school system which in NYC is about 70% enrollment.

    Now this week, he’s decided to toss all of the gifted programs out altogether.

    Who knows what looney left idea he’ll come up with next week.

    My take is he doesn’t know what he’s doing…but NYC voters elected him, many by not voting and allowing a small percentage of the looney left to put him in office TWICE…

    So we’ll have to deal with it.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    The teachers' union is against him for trying to get rid of the G&T programs.

    Also, the tippy top schools -- Stuy, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech -- are under state jurisdiction, so de Blasio can't do much about them anyway,

    I saw in the NY Post about the 10 year plan:

    By year 3, make sure every school has the same ethnic background as that neighborhood.
    By year 5, make sure every school has the same ethnic background as the borough (so that means every school in Staten Island would have to be slightly over half Italian)
    By year 10, make sure every school in the city has the same ethnic background as the city as a whole.

    That would mean busing a lot of kids among the mainland (the Bronx), three big islands (Long Island, Manhattan and Staten Island) and a few small islands (City Island, Roosevelt Island, etc.).

    The logistics would be a nightmare.

    The people putting forth The Plan realize that this is actually impossible, because there would be a large number of kids who would go to private schools, or would home school, or would simply leave the city.

    There are already a lot of kids in parochial schools. I know some Chinese kids who went to parochial schools, since they were better than the neighborhood schools. Not Catholics.

    Not to mention that the demographics of the student body are NOT necessarily the same as the demographics of the city as a whole. For example, I live in Madison. The city is about 79% white, but the schools are less than 50% white. Why?
    1. Old white families who have been in Madison a long time and the kids are grown.
    2. White college students.
    3. Young white professionals who do not have school age kids. Quite a few of them, in fact.
    4. Kids in Catholic or other private schools.
    5. Kids who live in the outskirts of Madison and attend school in a suburban school. Wisconsin has school choice.
    6. Home schooled kids.

    In other words, the de Blasio folks are willing to destroy the white and Asian working and middle class in NYC for a project that has 0% chance of success.

    But maybe there will be a little girl who will grow up to be a Senator from California, so it will all be worth it. /s
  204. @Jack D
    Because they share a writing system, they can't really attach different meanings to 上, which in Cantonese is pronounced soeng with the 5th tone (tone 5 is a rising tone like tone 2 in Mandarin (and Cantonese) but starts out lower). All the meanings of 上 in Cantonese as in Mandarin are related in some way to the concept of upper, on top of, ascending, etc.

    There are many other characters pronounced soeng 1 to 6 that have completely different meanings but 上 always means the same thing (and as it happens, there are no other characters that are pronounced soneng with the 5th tone). However, a whole bunch of characters (and therefore words or concepts) are pronounced soeng1 - in writing there is no ambiguity but in conversation you have to understand from the context which soeng1 they are talking about.

    And sometimes a character pronounced soeng1 is shāng in Mandarin and other times it's xiāng but in Cantonese they merge just like pin/pen merges in Southern US English. Again, there's usually no problem just as in English - if someone in Alabama says "I need to write a note - do you have a pin?" you know to give them a ballpoint and not a straight pin. And in writing it's no problem at all because the characters are different. If it's not entirely clear in speech you can say "ink pin". And the same in Cantonese or Mandarin.

    It makes more sense to think of Cantonese as an extreme form of regional dialect rather than a completely different language than Mandarin. It's like Jamaican patois - some of the pronunciations have shifted so much that they are no longer intelligible to standard English speakers, but they are still speaking English.

    You probably know more about Cantonese than I do.

    My wife speaks Toisan at home (Taishan in Mandarin). When she got to the US, ALL the Chinese kids were put into a program where they were taught in Cantonese. For my wife, that was easy. Toisan and Cantonese are extremely similar, being dialects of two different counties in the same province. I gather Mandarin is about as different from Cantonese as English is from Dutch. The Mandarin students picked up Cantonese rather easily, but not quite as easily as the Toisan students.

    I think about how I’ve traveled in the Netherlands, and just about everyone there, even blue collar workers, speaks English. However Dutch is even closer to German. Some of the Germans I have known claim that Dutch is just a different dialect of German.

    So this really raises the question as to what is a language, and what is a dialect. Some claim that the different types of English, such as Ebonics, or Jamaican Patois, or Hawaiian Creole, should be counted as separate languages. Others say that Cantonese and Mandarin should be counted as separate languages. Others say German and Dutch are just different dialects of the same language.

    All of these questions are above my pay grade.

    It used to get really interesting when we would go to my wife’s family. My mother-in-law speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Toisan, and the language of the country where she was born (which I will NOT identify). My wife speaks English, Cantonese, Toisan and X. When my brother-in-law’s wife first came over, she only spoke Mandarin and X. She has since learned English and Toisan. My other brother-in-law married a lady from China, so at first she only spoke Mandarin, but she has learned Toisan and some English. I speak English and some Mandarin,

    It used to be that when my mother-in-law, my wife and I were talking together, I would speak to my mother-in-law and my sisters-in-law in Mandarin, but with my wife in English. My mother-in-law and my wife would speak to each other and the rest of the family in Toisan, but they would speak to one of my sisters-in-law in X. Then, when a friend would come over, they would speak Cantonese with the friend, unless the friend was from X country, and then they would speak X. It was not uncommon for 5 different dialects/languages to be spoken within a few minutes. X is from a completely different linguistic group than the Chinese languages/dialects.

    As I have mentioned a few times, it is not wise if people from Madison can figure out who I am. If I mentioned the country X from which my wife comes, that narrows things down way too much.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Taishan the #1 homeland of overseas Chinese so that doesn't narrow it down much. There are Taishanese all over the world but mainly (in no particular order) Australia, Singapore, US, Canada, Malaysia, HK, Macau, etc. But those are mainly Anglophone countries so I don't have a good guess as to what language X is.

    Every educated Chinese is expected to learn Mandarin in addition to his local dialect and in Guangdong you would expect to learn Cantonese as well as Mandarin and your local dialect (e.g. Taishanese). Probably there are a number of people in the Netherlands who are fluent in Dutch, English AND German too. People have no problem switching back and forth in a group or sometimes even within the same sentence because sometimes one language and not the others will have le mot juste - just the right word for something.
  205. @Paleo Liberal
    These days environmentalists who propose ZPG or NPG (Zero and Negative Population Growth) are called “eco-fascists” by the Left wingers, sad to say.

    I’ve sometimes wondered if the Thanos movies weren’t meant to disparage ZPG and NPG. As in, look how much happier everyone is with lots and lots of people around!!

    It is quite likely that at some point disease, war, or some combination of the two will make a dent in our population. That last happened on a worldwide basis from around WW I through the Cultural Revolution, including the Flu, two world wars and probably over 100 million dead from Communist purges. The population is increasing so rapidly now that these barely slowed down the population growth. Even a Thanos style wiping out of half the population would take us back to where we were a few decades ago.

    Just means he needs to snap his fingers (literally) every few years.

  206. @NYMOM
    DeBlasio cannot make up his mind.

    First he wanted more gifted and talented programs (one in every school district) because that was the key to getting more black and hispanic kids into the elite Science/Tech schools. He wants those schools to mirror the percentage of black and hispanics kids in the public school system which in NYC is about 70% enrollment.

    Now this week, he's decided to toss all of the gifted programs out altogether.

    Who knows what looney left idea he'll come up with next week.

    My take is he doesn't know what he's doing...but NYC voters elected him, many by not voting and allowing a small percentage of the looney left to put him in office TWICE...

    So we'll have to deal with it.

    The teachers’ union is against him for trying to get rid of the G&T programs.

    Also, the tippy top schools — Stuy, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech — are under state jurisdiction, so de Blasio can’t do much about them anyway,

    I saw in the NY Post about the 10 year plan:

    By year 3, make sure every school has the same ethnic background as that neighborhood.
    By year 5, make sure every school has the same ethnic background as the borough (so that means every school in Staten Island would have to be slightly over half Italian)
    By year 10, make sure every school in the city has the same ethnic background as the city as a whole.

    That would mean busing a lot of kids among the mainland (the Bronx), three big islands (Long Island, Manhattan and Staten Island) and a few small islands (City Island, Roosevelt Island, etc.).

    The logistics would be a nightmare.

    The people putting forth The Plan realize that this is actually impossible, because there would be a large number of kids who would go to private schools, or would home school, or would simply leave the city.

    There are already a lot of kids in parochial schools. I know some Chinese kids who went to parochial schools, since they were better than the neighborhood schools. Not Catholics.

    Not to mention that the demographics of the student body are NOT necessarily the same as the demographics of the city as a whole. For example, I live in Madison. The city is about 79% white, but the schools are less than 50% white. Why?
    1. Old white families who have been in Madison a long time and the kids are grown.
    2. White college students.
    3. Young white professionals who do not have school age kids. Quite a few of them, in fact.
    4. Kids in Catholic or other private schools.
    5. Kids who live in the outskirts of Madison and attend school in a suburban school. Wisconsin has school choice.
    6. Home schooled kids.

    In other words, the de Blasio folks are willing to destroy the white and Asian working and middle class in NYC for a project that has 0% chance of success.

    But maybe there will be a little girl who will grow up to be a Senator from California, so it will all be worth it. /s

    • Replies: @bomag
    Country song writer Tom T. Hall anticipated this in his send up song Subdivision Blues, circa 1972, with the ditty:

    But I bought my house because it was located near a school
    Now a bus comes by and takes my kids to Istanbul
  207. @Paleo Liberal
    You probably know more about Cantonese than I do.

    My wife speaks Toisan at home (Taishan in Mandarin). When she got to the US, ALL the Chinese kids were put into a program where they were taught in Cantonese. For my wife, that was easy. Toisan and Cantonese are extremely similar, being dialects of two different counties in the same province. I gather Mandarin is about as different from Cantonese as English is from Dutch. The Mandarin students picked up Cantonese rather easily, but not quite as easily as the Toisan students.

    I think about how I've traveled in the Netherlands, and just about everyone there, even blue collar workers, speaks English. However Dutch is even closer to German. Some of the Germans I have known claim that Dutch is just a different dialect of German.

    So this really raises the question as to what is a language, and what is a dialect. Some claim that the different types of English, such as Ebonics, or Jamaican Patois, or Hawaiian Creole, should be counted as separate languages. Others say that Cantonese and Mandarin should be counted as separate languages. Others say German and Dutch are just different dialects of the same language.

    All of these questions are above my pay grade.

    It used to get really interesting when we would go to my wife's family. My mother-in-law speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Toisan, and the language of the country where she was born (which I will NOT identify). My wife speaks English, Cantonese, Toisan and X. When my brother-in-law's wife first came over, she only spoke Mandarin and X. She has since learned English and Toisan. My other brother-in-law married a lady from China, so at first she only spoke Mandarin, but she has learned Toisan and some English. I speak English and some Mandarin,

    It used to be that when my mother-in-law, my wife and I were talking together, I would speak to my mother-in-law and my sisters-in-law in Mandarin, but with my wife in English. My mother-in-law and my wife would speak to each other and the rest of the family in Toisan, but they would speak to one of my sisters-in-law in X. Then, when a friend would come over, they would speak Cantonese with the friend, unless the friend was from X country, and then they would speak X. It was not uncommon for 5 different dialects/languages to be spoken within a few minutes. X is from a completely different linguistic group than the Chinese languages/dialects.

    As I have mentioned a few times, it is not wise if people from Madison can figure out who I am. If I mentioned the country X from which my wife comes, that narrows things down way too much.

    Taishan the #1 homeland of overseas Chinese so that doesn’t narrow it down much. There are Taishanese all over the world but mainly (in no particular order) Australia, Singapore, US, Canada, Malaysia, HK, Macau, etc. But those are mainly Anglophone countries so I don’t have a good guess as to what language X is.

    Every educated Chinese is expected to learn Mandarin in addition to his local dialect and in Guangdong you would expect to learn Cantonese as well as Mandarin and your local dialect (e.g. Taishanese). Probably there are a number of people in the Netherlands who are fluent in Dutch, English AND German too. People have no problem switching back and forth in a group or sometimes even within the same sentence because sometimes one language and not the others will have le mot juste – just the right word for something.

  208. @Hopscotch
    Abandoning the classics in the early 20th century was one of the more destructive things that happened in US education, particularly for reasonably intelligent high-school students. The classics were undermined by Dewey progressives, Jewish intellectuals, and those that wanted a practical, "factory model" for education. By shedding this supposedly antiquated, elitist model of education, we were supposed to gain students better-equipped for life and from a wider pool of society.

    Of course, these gains never materialized. The cost was that each successive generation drifted further from Western civilization. As it turns out, having kids learn "useless" Latin and Greek stories is also a great way to internalize Western thought.

    Would agree twice if I could, Hopscotch.

  209. @bomag

    advocates have said tracking... keeps students of color... from long-term equal achievement.
     
    So the solution here was to open AP classes to everyone. Should we expect another lawsuit when POC get worse grades and have un

    yes , another lawsuit has already been filed against the School district… because they have two middle Schools , one is mostly white thus must be shuttered….they are spending $95 million to combine the two middle schools to end the segregation and help close the gap.

    strange how a school which is 15% Black is too white in New Jersey…while NYC is allowed to have schools which are 1% Black

  210. @keuril

    Chinese ranks among the more difficult with its unfamiliar tonal system and character based writing system (although the grammar is rather simple – no need to conjugate verbs).
     
    This bit about the grammar might be true if morphological complexity were the only way that languages could be simple or complex. But often what morphological simplicity gives, syntactic complexity takes away—it’s almost like there is some constant degree of complexity that must exist in any language or it would cease to perform its basic function of communicating information with any degree of usefulness.

    In other words, you can get away with a low level of inflection (conjugations, declensions, etc) as long as you have very complicated rules about how words must be arranged or otherwise marked (for their grammatical roles) in a sentence. This is the case for English as well—not even the simplest of gender distinctions remains in common nouns, and verb conjugations are pretty simple. But instead there are many pesky rules about how words must be ordered, and new auxiliary verbs sprout up for even more complications. Why nobody understands that?

    The same thing applies for Chinese. Western learners generally have a tough time with Chinese grammar, and the ones who claim there is no grammar are just demonstrating they don’t know the first thing about it.

    Verb tenses are (mainly) meant to indicate past/present/future, which as you say is a form of information. If you omit this information it leads to ambiguity because you don’t know when the verb happened.

    In the case of Chinese, past/present/future is indicated thru context or additional characters such as le or guo. So the information gets conveyed, just not thru verb conjugation.

    I don’t think there is some kind of rule of overall conservation of complexity – it’s just that the necessary information gets conveyed in different ways in different languages (and in many languages there is information that is redundant or surplus and could be dropped without loss – you don’t have to conjugate verbs AND nouns, you don’t have to identify chairs as feminine or masculine, etc.) Plurals (which Chinese doesn’t have) are also redundant to a large extent (or at least sometimes). If I say “May I have 8 chopstick” or “a few chopstick” the pluralization is redundant – if I’m asking for 8 or a few then you already know it’s more than 1 and the s does nothing.

    And English spelling is unnecessarily complex purely for historical reasons – that’s a complete own goal.

    Other types of information are culturally bound – in many languages there are formal and informal persons but in an egalitarian culture it’s not necessary to distinguish.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  211. @Buzz Mohawk
    Whenever the topic of vouchers comes up, I think the following:

    1) Vouchers in effect would allow parents to apply the school budget portion of their property tax burden toward paying for schools other than the usual public ones. It's their money and their children. Fair enough.

    2) As a couple without children, my wife and I still pay (exorbitant) property taxes to pay for the public schools that other people send their kids too. We have no choice but to pay for something we do not use. We understand that this is a community thing and that we are part of the community.

    3) If you are going to give some people back their money so they can pay it somewhere else, then you must also give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit. Just like those parents, we are not sending anybody to the public schools. They would not be paying for the public schools that they do not use, so why should we?

    This is a big financial topic, because roughy half of my five-figure annual property tax bill pays for public schools. I want a voucher for that half -- if you are going to give my neighbor one.

    …give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit.

    I suppose the logic here is that you could apply your share somewhere else in the education system.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    That is an interesting thought:

    Tax everyone as we do now, but give everyone vouchers that they must give to schools of their choice, public or private, whether or not they have children in school. It would be interesting to watch what happens.

    That is a nice thought experiment about something that will never happen.

    My point is that under any proposed school voucher system, I would be compelled to pay into a public school system, while my neighbor would not be. Shared cost of educating the community's children notwithstanding, something smells wrong about that.
  212. @nebulafox
    Chinese really is not that bad of a language to learn once you strip away the character system and the tones: it's *very* straightforward and logical compared to English, grammar-wise. If you ask someone in Mandarin whether they want a beer or not, it is literally "ni yao bu yao pijiu ma?" which is literally "you want no want beer?".

    (Next time a Chinese shopkeeper asks you a question sounding like that in English, keep in mind, that's how it would literally sound in Mandarin: he's not trying to be rude.)

    I think it is the character system that throws a lot of people off. It's fun once you get the hang of it, but I can get how it discourages casual learners. The tones can be annoying, but usually there's enough context in a sentence to understand what someone means, and the Chinese tend to very forgiving and slow with visibly non-Chinese people trying Mandarin.

    Chinese really is not that bad of a language … it’s *very* straightforward and logical compared to English, grammar-wise. If you ask someone in Mandarin whether they want a beer or not, it is literally “ni yao bu yao pijiu ma?”

    Yet in this example of how easy chinese is you made a mistake. You can’t combine a “Verb bu Verb” pattern question with a ma ending. Have to use one or the other (你要不要啤酒 or 你要啤酒吗). Chinese grammar is trickier than ppl think.

  213. @bomag

    ...give us our money back so that we can use it as we too see fit.
     
    I suppose the logic here is that you could apply your share somewhere else in the education system.

    That is an interesting thought:

    Tax everyone as we do now, but give everyone vouchers that they must give to schools of their choice, public or private, whether or not they have children in school. It would be interesting to watch what happens.

    That is a nice thought experiment about something that will never happen.

    My point is that under any proposed school voucher system, I would be compelled to pay into a public school system, while my neighbor would not be. Shared cost of educating the community’s children notwithstanding, something smells wrong about that.

  214. @bomag

    advocates have said tracking... keeps students of color... from long-term equal achievement.
     
    So the solution here was to open AP classes to everyone. Should we expect another lawsuit when POC get worse grades and have un

    …when POC get worse grades and have unequal outcomes under the new regime?

  215. @Paleo Liberal
    The teachers' union is against him for trying to get rid of the G&T programs.

    Also, the tippy top schools -- Stuy, Bronx Science, Brooklyn Tech -- are under state jurisdiction, so de Blasio can't do much about them anyway,

    I saw in the NY Post about the 10 year plan:

    By year 3, make sure every school has the same ethnic background as that neighborhood.
    By year 5, make sure every school has the same ethnic background as the borough (so that means every school in Staten Island would have to be slightly over half Italian)
    By year 10, make sure every school in the city has the same ethnic background as the city as a whole.

    That would mean busing a lot of kids among the mainland (the Bronx), three big islands (Long Island, Manhattan and Staten Island) and a few small islands (City Island, Roosevelt Island, etc.).

    The logistics would be a nightmare.

    The people putting forth The Plan realize that this is actually impossible, because there would be a large number of kids who would go to private schools, or would home school, or would simply leave the city.

    There are already a lot of kids in parochial schools. I know some Chinese kids who went to parochial schools, since they were better than the neighborhood schools. Not Catholics.

    Not to mention that the demographics of the student body are NOT necessarily the same as the demographics of the city as a whole. For example, I live in Madison. The city is about 79% white, but the schools are less than 50% white. Why?
    1. Old white families who have been in Madison a long time and the kids are grown.
    2. White college students.
    3. Young white professionals who do not have school age kids. Quite a few of them, in fact.
    4. Kids in Catholic or other private schools.
    5. Kids who live in the outskirts of Madison and attend school in a suburban school. Wisconsin has school choice.
    6. Home schooled kids.

    In other words, the de Blasio folks are willing to destroy the white and Asian working and middle class in NYC for a project that has 0% chance of success.

    But maybe there will be a little girl who will grow up to be a Senator from California, so it will all be worth it. /s

    Country song writer Tom T. Hall anticipated this in his send up song Subdivision Blues, circa 1972, with the ditty:

    But I bought my house because it was located near a school
    Now a bus comes by and takes my kids to Istanbul

  216. Regarding the 2019 NYC plan to end the specialty schools:

    1. I had hoped for Steve to write: “I’m sure the good people of Flushing will give it their full consideration.”

    2. It would improve the already-good schools of Ft. Lee, Hoboken and Scarsdale.

  217. @Hypnotoad666

    That we are still spending hundreds of billions on the same old Fordist model an entire generation into the Internet age is both ridiculous … and sadly typical.
     
    Schools have become fantastically wasteful make work projects for adults.

    The average school district spends about $13,500 per kid. (And that's just operating expenses not capital or facilities). If they are lucky, schools have no more than about 25 kids per classroom. That works out to $337,500 per classroom per year.

    A well-paid, full time teacher probably costs about $75,000, including benefits.

    So where does the other $262,500 per year go?

    Probably a lot of the other 262,500 per year goes to security…

    For instance each class had a table in my grand daughter’s public school and each table had an adult monitor who followed them out into the school yard and stayed with them until the regular teacher returned and took over…

    I don’t remember that happening when I went to school. You basically got into line, picked out your lunch and ate it at a table of choice with your friends…you cannot do that anymore. But that extra person on lunch room duty is a security feature and costs money…

  218. @Anonymousse
    Vouchers would be the left’s camel nose in the religious school tent. “Well... since you’re taking ‘government’ money it’s only reasonable that you meet public school standards... we’ve noticed you’re not really following our new Gender Curriculum for example...”

    Any entanglement with the state is going to be an opportunity for them to exert control. Better to keep as far from them and their (OUR) money as possible

    That’s the whole point. All the religious nutjobs demanding publicly funded religious schools seem to think that (1) there’s any demand for it and (2) that the govt will leave them alone. Which is stupid both in that it can’t happen and in that you can’t just leave public services with no oversight.

    What’s going to happen, before all political concerns over the curriculum, is that those religious schools the nutjobs keep boasting about are going to try to expel troublemakers willy nilly, and then screech when they have to follow the same rules as the other public schools

    All the nutjobs boasting about the traditionalist curriculum, with the implication that every kid could do it if forced and forcing them would save the nation, are going to run straight into the Bell Curve. They’re then going to whine about the “culture” where parents are apparently stopping their 12 y/o from reading the Iliad. And no one would believe them. Because it’s retarded.

    Remember, if they want to be public schools, they have to get parental buy in. What are they going to do once they’re filled with parents whose public school is now filled with nutbags and idiots? Do they really think the upper middle class parents on the school board are going to just take their kids being told the retarded Catholic line on birth control?

    It won’t work. Parents don’t want it. You will further hinder the ability of middle class whites to have families.

    Also, Ireland had the same system for more than a century. All it did was rub people’s face in how much they hated the churches. And they learned to be good globalists just the same.

  219. @J.Ross
    Unions (and things that are effectively unions) insisting on artificial minimum pricing. A stunningly bright engineer friend volunteered at an after school activity introducing automotive work to kids. It got cancelled and he got curious about how they would run out of money for "being in a garage for a couple of hours." A familiar orange-themed (flavored?) hand scrub useful to greasemonkeys came up: the friend recognized it as a good product and guessed what the school paid for it, given its price in a smaller quantity at a hardware store. Oh no, he was told, the school is not allowed to buy it at a store or online. It must be bought through an internal procurement process with its own schedule of prices. And this bureaucratic blight drives the cost of a jar of soap up far enough that you could be buying car parts.

    Fascinating.

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