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Writing instructors long told students to use verbs in the active voice rather than in the passive voice when possible. But the needs of the The Narrative are far more important than such petty stylistic concerns when the goal is to pin the blame on the gun, as in Chicago, rather than the shooter of the gun, as in El Paso. From the New York Times news section:

Chicago Has Its Worst Weekend of Gun Violence in 2019 as 7 Are Killed

The police investigated after seven people were shot near a playground in Chicago on Sunday.

By Julie Bosman, Aug. 5, 2019

CHICAGO — While much of the nation’s attention was focused on the gun massacres in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, last weekend, Chicago was convulsed by its own burst of violence — the worst weekend the city has seen so far in 2019.

It was an extreme example of the routine but devastating gun violence, often related to gang conflicts, that cities like Chicago, Baltimore and St. Louis experience on a regular basis. The police said seven people were killed and 52 wounded by gunfire throughout Chicago from Friday evening to Sunday, including a 5-year-old boy who was shot in the leg while sitting in a car.

Early Sunday, 17 people were shot in a period of two hours in a small pocket on the city’s West Side, turning residential blocks into chaotic scenes of ambulances, grieving family members and cars pockmarked with bullets.

… On Monday morning, Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesman for the Chicago Police Department, tweeted a nearly minute-long audio recording of rapid gunfire from a shooting on the West Side on Sunday.

“Below is the sound that Chicago needs to change its ways on how we handle gun offenders,” he wrote. “Audio from the tragic shooting at 18th & Kildare yesterday shows that criminals have no deterrent to carrying illegal guns in our city and this is what residents and police are up against.”

For some reason, the Chicago PD PR guy writes much punchier English prose than the New York Times reporter. What could it be?

 
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  1. Why doesn’t Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn’t it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being “lumped in” with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled “angry” and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    • Replies: @KenH
    Black and brown men, mostly the former, have committed 1600 shootings in Chicago alone and the year isn't even over yet. Angry white men have shot perhaps 60-70 people since last October (the benchmark the radical left is now using), but that's treated like a white supremacist holocaust.

    Do you remember when Black Lives Matters were advocating the death of police and their sympathizers were committing mass shootings against cops and white people?

    White men founded and built the place so if we commit shootings in our own nation that's our prerogative and our business, not yours.
    , @Peripatetic Commenter
    Wait. Tiny D*ck, is that you?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    So let it be written, so let it be done.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    This comment is actually for Steve - you flush a lot of comments that you feel are inappropriate in one way or another, so it's silly to let comments like the above to make it through moderation.

    It's clearly a TD copycat, or another regular poster amusing himself with a bit of trolling, or maybe an individual with mental issues.

    Why allow your faithful commentariate get sucked into and distracted by this nonsense? He is going to get a bunch of replies, but at the expense of the theme of your topic likely being lost in the wake.
    , @Bragadocious
    I hope you code better than you write.
    , @Puremania
    Mr. Kumar, the vast majority of mass shootings in the US are performed by people of color. If you want a sample, go to the website that tracks Chicago homicides, called Heyjackass.com, and as you peruse the details of each shooting and killing, notice the number of shootings that happen at the same time and place. Each of those is a mass shooting. There is a map showing the locations. I can personally attest, and you can easily find on the internet, that these are black neighborhoods.
    We here discuss crime commensurate to its patterns, and if you read more here, you’ll see that there are really no crimes or crime trends that go undiscussed.
    That url again: Heyjackass.com.
    , @L Woods
    Where does white nationalism come from? ‘Tis a puzzlement.
    , @Moses
    Good, Kumar, good....Let your anti-White hate flow. It makes you strong.

    The only thing worse for someone like Kumar than living in a racist country built by bigoted Whites is not being allowed to immigrated to a racist country built by bigoted Whites.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    You're just jelly.
    , @anonymous1963
    Why should whites become a minority in America? Why would any self-respecting white want that?
    , @R.G. Camara
    lol. Honk honk, baby.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Angry white men have been killing for centuries...'

    What rock do creatures like you crawl out from under?

    The effect is if someone taught my Labrador Retriever to talk. It's not edifying to listen to.
    , @El Dato
    Africa and India: Continents of thousands, if not millions, of years of peace.

    East Asia & Arabia: Nothing much happening.

    Rest of the World: White Man's country inhabited by fragiles where lynchings abound, guns kill blacks and the right wing terrorists are.

    Caravans want to get into Rest of the World badly.
    , @Anon
    I notice several anti-Steve progressive readers like Mr. Kumar delurking post-shootings. Steve, you seem to have a very large "silent" readership! (I've noticed the same about Quillette.)

    The theme of the delurkers seems to be that mass shootings by whites are a gotcha moment for Steve. But Steve is not a Fox News conservative real time hot-take machine. He has a number of core ideas, issues, and beats that he pays a lot of attention to because he has something original to say and the courage to notice and talk about things outside the Overton window relating to those beats. And there are other issues where if he commented he would not be adding value. For instance, Steve has not shown much interest in gun control or Second Amendment issues, and in the rare instance he has he's come at it from a unique angle, such as his "dirt gap" theory.
    , @IHTG
    Hey Unz, how about giving Tiny Duck's alts the same treatment you gave Priss Factor?
    , @anonymous coward
    My, look at how have the 'frist psot' posters have grown up!
    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    Now we know what the Dalits do on their break time at the ramdom dial phone scam centers in Calcutta.
    , @WrexErixson
    @Dharampal HA! HA! Wow your pretty dumb, most the gun violence in America comes from black on black crime, something I bet you'll conveniently ignore because it doesn't conform with your control freak agenda. Most of the mass shooters are leftards like yourself, that is why the media moves on so quickly, its leftard, virgins incels who think Sanders is God who shoot up public places. Quit being dishonest and deceitful, that or your just stupid.
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    Great, now the South Asians will be lambasted even more. Thanks Dharmpal. That's helpful
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    On second thought, you're probably Tiny Duck
    , @MEH 0910

    Whites are scared shirtless
     
    I've read that word-choice before, and both times I've read a duck.

    Diamonds Are Forever (1971) Bombe Surprise & End Credits
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axyzknZYpYQ&feature=youtu.be&t=57
    , @Peripatetic Commenter
    Well, well. Not in Chicago ... but:

    Man pleads not guilty to charges he killed 4 family members


    HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) — A man accused of killing four family members has pleaded not guilty to aggravated murder charges.

    Thirty-seven-year-old Gurpreet Singh pleaded not guilty Monday in Butler County. The judge denied him bond, noting the seriousness of the case.
     

    So, who did he kill?

    Singh’s wife, her parents and her aunt each had gunshot wounds in the head.
     
    So, he didn't like his mother-in-law.

    Perhaps we should be more careful about who we let into the country!

  2. Those pesky guns just keep randomly going off, and no one can explain it. There are no offenders, only victims.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    I don't care what access US citizens have or do not have to whatever weapons. Your decision. (2nd amendment business is all baked in anyway, likelihood of real change about 0%)
    What truly bores the crap out of me is the never ending simplistic explanations of gun violence.
    1. Of course it's the person pulling the trigger (or the whatever) who is to blame. They are guilty of murder.
    2. But, PLEASE, don't try to tell people that the type of weapon played no part in the outcome of the attack. That there would have been little to no difference in mortal outcomes were our homicidal nut-job been armed with a sharpened stick, knife,
    musket, civil war revolver, Glock, full auto AK 47, or modern Gatling gun.
  3. test

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Stop that. You keep doing that and clogging up the stream. Stop and just post something coherent.
  4. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Black and brown men, mostly the former, have committed 1600 shootings in Chicago alone and the year isn’t even over yet. Angry white men have shot perhaps 60-70 people since last October (the benchmark the radical left is now using), but that’s treated like a white supremacist holocaust.

    Do you remember when Black Lives Matters were advocating the death of police and their sympathizers were committing mass shootings against cops and white people?

    White men founded and built the place so if we commit shootings in our own nation that’s our prerogative and our business, not yours.

    • Replies: @SMK
    The inverted world of a white-hating psychotic, apparently a Mumbai Indian female. Imagine the response if white males were committed all these murders and non-fatal shootings -not that such anarchy and mayhem and warfare would be allowed to happen even if white men by nature and on average were as violent and criminal as blacks. The madness would be stopped, almost immediately and with ruthless coercion, when it began. The authorities, overwhelming white males, wouldn't condone such violence for even one week or day.
  5. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Wait. Tiny D*ck, is that you?

    • LOL: Dan Hayes, Liza
  6. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    So let it be written, so let it be done.

  7. https://heyjackass.com/

    Chicago, Year to Date
    Shot & Killed: 278
    Shot & Wounded: 1,364
    Total Shot: 1,642
    Total Homicides: 305

    The #LyingMSM really are scum as are most of the Democratic Party candidates for President.

  8. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    This comment is actually for Steve – you flush a lot of comments that you feel are inappropriate in one way or another, so it’s silly to let comments like the above to make it through moderation.

    It’s clearly a TD copycat, or another regular poster amusing himself with a bit of trolling, or maybe an individual with mental issues.

    Why allow your faithful commentariate get sucked into and distracted by this nonsense? He is going to get a bunch of replies, but at the expense of the theme of your topic likely being lost in the wake.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  9. I know the stats are out there on HeyJackass, Second City cop(?) etc, but I’m gonna guess that shootings/killings of black by other blacks in that one city are higher than those of these mass shooters by a factor of 10 to 20. It’s just that nobody cares as much about the shootings in the hood. Once in a while there is a terrible tragic case of some little kid being caught in the crossfire, and we hear about it for a bit. I feel bad for the good decent black people who have to live there… because, well, they are often the parents or grandparents of the perps.

    Yeah, this passive voice stuff has been used by the anti-gun people even back in the past a good ways, or they use the active voice with the guns as the subjects. The NRA and gun bloggers have harped on that before. Guns just up and do this or that, without talking to anybody first.

  10. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    I hope you code better than you write.

    • LOL: Cortes
  11. 1) Shots “ring out”
    2) People of color “become disproportionately entangled” in the criminal justice system
    3) Protests “erupt”

  12. Amazing how the major news outlets seem fairly uninterested in some in-depth reporting on who is most likely to commit a mass shooting and in what locations these most often occur. You’d think maybe Newsweek would put the faces of the victims on its cover in a mosaic or something like that, but perhaps that wouldn’t convey the story they want to tell?

    Obviously, part of the problem is that it wouldn’t advance a useful narrative about race or people who are right of center, not to mention that the logical measures to clamp down on the majority of gun crime would involve Democrats jailing the boyfriends and sons of its most loyal voting bloc. But there’s no problem at all with proposing laws that would affect the law-abiding suburban and rural rubes who actually follow the rules.

    No one is really fooled by any of the kabuki theater around guns, crime, and so on, but our society is in a place where lies through omission are an accepted part of the media and political landscape.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    No one is really fooled by any of the kabuki theater around guns

    At least a third of the population and almost all public office holders (including President Trump) are either fooled or are doing a convincing job of playing along.
  13. Hopefully the Sailer Strategy transfers neatly to the red flag legalized swatting obscenity: white people, get it into your head that attacks on gun rights are attacks on white people! Gangbangers don’t care about following the law and only white shooters are reported prominently in mass media. This is South African style genocide: instead of a formal system with a mailing address, simply allow crime to increase. The target population is slowly but surely eliminated and meanwhile you can continue to milk the ones waiting their turn.

    • Agree: Alden
  14. @Arclight
    Amazing how the major news outlets seem fairly uninterested in some in-depth reporting on who is most likely to commit a mass shooting and in what locations these most often occur. You'd think maybe Newsweek would put the faces of the victims on its cover in a mosaic or something like that, but perhaps that wouldn't convey the story they want to tell?

    Obviously, part of the problem is that it wouldn't advance a useful narrative about race or people who are right of center, not to mention that the logical measures to clamp down on the majority of gun crime would involve Democrats jailing the boyfriends and sons of its most loyal voting bloc. But there's no problem at all with proposing laws that would affect the law-abiding suburban and rural rubes who actually follow the rules.

    No one is really fooled by any of the kabuki theater around guns, crime, and so on, but our society is in a place where lies through omission are an accepted part of the media and political landscape.

    No one is really fooled by any of the kabuki theater around guns

    At least a third of the population and almost all public office holders (including President Trump) are either fooled or are doing a convincing job of playing along.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    Sure, some people are truly ignorant but it's a small minority. Talking frankly about race, crime, and so on is the third rail of our society today - and politicians above all understand this, and their primary concern is to get re-elected, not tell the truth.

    I remember the last time we had a major shooting and got into a conversation with some people - mostly progressives - about it, and they were making declarations that something must be done, it's just common sense. So I asked if they would support greatly enhancing penalties for use of a firearm in the commission of a crime or possessing an illegal weapon - of course they would! Next I asked who did they imagine would mostly be sent off to jail as a result of that policy, and it was just a bunch of quiet stares. I then suggested that if they were sincere that they immediately write their legislators (we live in a major city, so guess the party) and share the ideas we discussed, and it was back to 'well, we should ban assault weapons.' How many people were killed in our city with an assault rifle last year? Again, dead silence.
    , @Dani
    J.Ross, I wish more people had the guts to lay it out in the cut and dry manner you have here. We are well past the point of having the luxury to beat around the bush and not come right out with things as they are here in the USA. I fear your "at least a third of the population" regarding general population may be a bit on the generous side - but as for public office holders, am I really giving them too much credit in my assumption that most, if not all of them, are well aware of this now long-running duping of America reality show? It is simply not possible that Trump is not aware - his facial expressions and overall demeanor/mannerisms always take on a shamelessly sheepish quality when he addresses the country after one of these Jew tricks. It makes it all the more pathetically hypocritical of him to come off as this bad ass for calling out the "fake news" - when he himself is complicit to what can only be described as treason of the highest order - they can shove their 2012 Smith & Mundt Act up their you know what - because as you so rightfully say here, attacks on gun rights are attacks on our white Americans.
    It is safe to say the Coudenhove Kalergi Plan is getting close to its final leg, both in Europe and over here. The fact one can still read extensively on this subject online just all the more confirms things are just about fully out in the open at this point. I am surrounded by the completely unaware and/or indifferent and the surreal quality to it has yet to wear off.
  15. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Mr. Kumar, the vast majority of mass shootings in the US are performed by people of color. If you want a sample, go to the website that tracks Chicago homicides, called Heyjackass.com, and as you peruse the details of each shooting and killing, notice the number of shootings that happen at the same time and place. Each of those is a mass shooting. There is a map showing the locations. I can personally attest, and you can easily find on the internet, that these are black neighborhoods.
    We here discuss crime commensurate to its patterns, and if you read more here, you’ll see that there are really no crimes or crime trends that go undiscussed.
    That url again: Heyjackass.com.

  16. Best statistical (and colorful) compilation of Chicago shootings and homicides (past and present) is at:

    https://heyjackass.com/

    See the number and compare the lethality of head versus abdomen shots (as well as the number of groin shots). This is the culture of Chicago gun violence (2019), 84.2% black victims (only 4.1% white) and an arrest (alleged perpetrator charged) rate of 9.5%.

  17. Gun violence -> it’s the guns’ fault. They are despicable.

    TRUE FACT: stupid people shooting each other. In New Orleans they used to do silk screen t-shirts of the dead guys and all their friends and relatives would wear the new t-shirts to the funeral. The best photo poses looked like Rap CD cover photos where the young men were posing holding their favorite firearms. Or with the name of the gang displayed beneath the fellow’s name. And they would paint/graffiti his name all over the neighborhood. I knew one guy that said he knew seventy guys who had been shot to death (this was back at the top of the crack wave in the late ’80’s.)

  18. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Where does white nationalism come from? ‘Tis a puzzlement.

  19. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Good, Kumar, good….Let your anti-White hate flow. It makes you strong.

    The only thing worse for someone like Kumar than living in a racist country built by bigoted Whites is not being allowed to immigrated to a racist country built by bigoted Whites.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
    • Replies: @anonymous1963
    So true. Brown people like him are so eager to invite themselves to white countries.
  20. A number of years ago, I spent an hour or so looking at the use of passive voice in crime reports because of feminist claims about how the use of passive voice to reports of rapes is somehow part of a patriarchal conspiracy to diminish responsibility of rapists. What I found, unsurprisingly, is that passive voice is very common in crime reports of all sorts.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    What I found, unsurprisingly, is that passive voice is very common in crime reports of all sorts.
     
    In a lot of cases it's probably more compelling to focus on the person who was the object of the crime. This is especially true when the perp is just an anomymous individual who hasn't yet been identified.

    For example: "Mr. X, a 36-year old school teacher, was shot by an unidentified assailant on Friday," seem like a pretty reasonable way to structure a crime blotter sentence.
  21. If only we banned AR-15s and had stronger gun control (while eliminating racist stop and frisk policies) these killings would stop.

    Actually, aren’t there a lot of “dog whistle” racist terms in that article, like “gang conflicts” and “Baltimore”?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    It's not a dog whistle when the "right" people use those words.
  22. @J.Ross
    No one is really fooled by any of the kabuki theater around guns

    At least a third of the population and almost all public office holders (including President Trump) are either fooled or are doing a convincing job of playing along.

    Sure, some people are truly ignorant but it’s a small minority. Talking frankly about race, crime, and so on is the third rail of our society today – and politicians above all understand this, and their primary concern is to get re-elected, not tell the truth.

    I remember the last time we had a major shooting and got into a conversation with some people – mostly progressives – about it, and they were making declarations that something must be done, it’s just common sense. So I asked if they would support greatly enhancing penalties for use of a firearm in the commission of a crime or possessing an illegal weapon – of course they would! Next I asked who did they imagine would mostly be sent off to jail as a result of that policy, and it was just a bunch of quiet stares. I then suggested that if they were sincere that they immediately write their legislators (we live in a major city, so guess the party) and share the ideas we discussed, and it was back to ‘well, we should ban assault weapons.’ How many people were killed in our city with an assault rifle last year? Again, dead silence.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    And look at the fate of "stop and frisk" in NYC. It really did help bring down gun crime but was phased out as soon as progressives retook control. Too much "disparate impact," you know.
    , @J.Ross
    Sure, but the President (who partly campaigned on protecting the right to bear arms) totally voluntarily collapsed on legalized swatting (red flag laws) and on the demonization project to defame him and his supproters as supremacists. When that happens leftist apathy is not reassuring.
  23. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    You’re just jelly.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  24. After every mass shooting, mainstream conservatives bring up Chicago, so I made this handy list of reasons why no one cares.

  25. The passive voice is getting a bum rap. The problem is the failure to identify the (moral)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_(grammar)
    And even with the active voice, it is possible to avoid identifying the moral agent of an action, as in “violence broke out”. Can somebody come up with a nice Sapir-Whorf-friendly name for failure to identify the moral agent?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    You've put your finger on the kind of journalistic magic whereby a "single mom" can have six kids through no apparent action by herself or anyone else. They just are there. The dads? Don't ask.

    So I'd suggest Virgin Verbs. Or maybe Verbfuscation.

    It's a kind of depersonalization, because at some level we're embarrassed about acknowledging how low the black underclass has sunk. Phrases like "violence gripped the neighborhood" are like a little kid saying "the lamp fell and broke."
  26. Anon[938] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I just finished reading Caitlin Flanagan’s review of Quentin Tarantino’s Once upon a Time in Hollywood in The Atlantic. I had kind of skimmed a little of it before, but was put off of reading it closely by the tendentious title, “Tarntino’s Most Transgressive Film Celebrates Values that Have been Repeatedly Dismissed as Dangerous and Outdated.” The subeditor really had to stretch to find the paragraph from which to, out-of-context, pull that title.

    The review is really a work of art, very well written, and rather than dissing the movie as transgressive, it puts SJW critics of the movie in their place. It’s a wonderful bookend to Steve’s review from another sympathetic California native.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/tarantinos-most-transgressive-film/595309/

    What’s really got the justice critics worked up, however, isn’t the violence or the nostalgia or the silencing of Sharon Tate. What’s rattling them more than they realize is that this movie is transgressive as hell. Only Tarantino would have the balls to make something like it, something that embraces values that have repeatedly been proved—proved!—to be dangerous, outdated, the thing that people don’t want anymore. Box-office poison. And only Tarantino could do it so skillfully that it’s not until you’re back in the car that you realize what he’s done: made a major motion picture in 2019 about a man with a code, a man who hews to the old values of the Western hero.

    The justice critics aren’t interested in fictions that feel like memories. They want movies that adhere to their vision of the way the world should be. To them, the movie is too white, too violent toward women, and too uninterested in Margot Robbie, whose Sharon Tate has few lines. The New Yorker’s Richard Brody reviled the picture, calling it “ridiculously white.” But Charles Manson was a white supremacist, a fact that does tend to put a lot of white people in a movie. The majority of these white people are drugged-out sadists who live in filth, and scrounge in garbage, entirely repellent. And the Hollywood of the time was a deeply insular place from which progressive values flowed easily, but that never stopped to examine itself as a racially exclusive enterprise. Depicting it as inclusive would give the lie to the decades of hard work that have gone into changing that fact, work that is finally beginning to pay off.

    As to violence against women, what can I tell you? If you don’t like it, don’t go to a movie about the Manson killings. Say what you will about Charles Manson; he really empowered women to pursue excellence in traditionally male-dominated fields. From armed robbery to sadistic murder at knifepoint, he put women in positions from which they had been traditionally excluded, and ultimately helped them to break that hardest, highest glass ceiling, the one that makes death row such a male purview.

    • Replies: @Alden
    PETA is having a fit because the pit bull killed the Manson killer s and it reaffirms the speciest stereotype that pit bulls are dangerous.
    Ban speciesism!!!!!!!!
  27. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Why should whites become a minority in America? Why would any self-respecting white want that?

    • Agree: Realist
  28. @Moses
    Good, Kumar, good....Let your anti-White hate flow. It makes you strong.

    The only thing worse for someone like Kumar than living in a racist country built by bigoted Whites is not being allowed to immigrated to a racist country built by bigoted Whites.

    So true. Brown people like him are so eager to invite themselves to white countries.

  29. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    lol. Honk honk, baby.

  30. @Arclight
    Sure, some people are truly ignorant but it's a small minority. Talking frankly about race, crime, and so on is the third rail of our society today - and politicians above all understand this, and their primary concern is to get re-elected, not tell the truth.

    I remember the last time we had a major shooting and got into a conversation with some people - mostly progressives - about it, and they were making declarations that something must be done, it's just common sense. So I asked if they would support greatly enhancing penalties for use of a firearm in the commission of a crime or possessing an illegal weapon - of course they would! Next I asked who did they imagine would mostly be sent off to jail as a result of that policy, and it was just a bunch of quiet stares. I then suggested that if they were sincere that they immediately write their legislators (we live in a major city, so guess the party) and share the ideas we discussed, and it was back to 'well, we should ban assault weapons.' How many people were killed in our city with an assault rifle last year? Again, dead silence.

    And look at the fate of “stop and frisk” in NYC. It really did help bring down gun crime but was phased out as soon as progressives retook control. Too much “disparate impact,” you know.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    But, as Steve has pointed out, enforcement of gun laws even WITHOUT "stop and frisk" is considered racist.
  31. @Arclight
    Sure, some people are truly ignorant but it's a small minority. Talking frankly about race, crime, and so on is the third rail of our society today - and politicians above all understand this, and their primary concern is to get re-elected, not tell the truth.

    I remember the last time we had a major shooting and got into a conversation with some people - mostly progressives - about it, and they were making declarations that something must be done, it's just common sense. So I asked if they would support greatly enhancing penalties for use of a firearm in the commission of a crime or possessing an illegal weapon - of course they would! Next I asked who did they imagine would mostly be sent off to jail as a result of that policy, and it was just a bunch of quiet stares. I then suggested that if they were sincere that they immediately write their legislators (we live in a major city, so guess the party) and share the ideas we discussed, and it was back to 'well, we should ban assault weapons.' How many people were killed in our city with an assault rifle last year? Again, dead silence.

    Sure, but the President (who partly campaigned on protecting the right to bear arms) totally voluntarily collapsed on legalized swatting (red flag laws) and on the demonization project to defame him and his supproters as supremacists. When that happens leftist apathy is not reassuring.

  32. The DEMOCRATS are shooting each other again.

  33. TGGP says: • Website

    One obvious reason not to specify in the story who shot all those people in Chicago is because we don’t have one single suspect. Many shootings will simply go unsolved, and the failure of police to stop the shootings will mean possible retaliatory violence and more guys carrying guns in case they run into come across other guys carrying guns. The NYPD managed to drop their murder rate by flooding dangerous areas with lots of cops and aggressively going after violence (drug dealers now act like pizza deliverymen, without having to fight over turf). Now that Manhattanites no longer have much fear of such violence, there are now complaints that the legal system is unfair to guys caught illegally carrying, correctly pointing out that existing violence incentivizes arming yourself but not “solving for the equilibrium” of what the effect of legal reforms would be.

    On the other hand, we have a study showing that deer season causes a huge jump in the carrying of rifles but zero effect on violence, because despite the well-publicized mass shootings, rifles are responsible for fewer homicides than fists.

  34. @Anon
    If only we banned AR-15s and had stronger gun control (while eliminating racist stop and frisk policies) these killings would stop.

    Actually, aren’t there a lot of “dog whistle” racist terms in that article, like "gang conflicts” and “Baltimore”?

    It’s not a dog whistle when the “right” people use those words.

  35. what is the point of steve allowing obvious trolls to post here?

    we know everybody is against us. we know the signal to noise ratio is almost zero if we let them all post here. so what’s the point? raising steve’s traffic numbers?

    sorry, i’m baffled. been posting here almost 20 years. at a complete loss for the moderation practices over the last 5 or 6 years.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    I reckon Mr. Sailer is a big believer in freedom of conscience and, following from that, the freedom to speak your mind.
  36. @Known Fact
    And look at the fate of "stop and frisk" in NYC. It really did help bring down gun crime but was phased out as soon as progressives retook control. Too much "disparate impact," you know.

    But, as Steve has pointed out, enforcement of gun laws even WITHOUT “stop and frisk” is considered racist.

  37. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    The passive voice is getting a bum rap. The problem is the failure to identify the (moral)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_(grammar)
    And even with the active voice, it is possible to avoid identifying the moral agent of an action, as in "violence broke out". Can somebody come up with a nice Sapir-Whorf-friendly name for failure to identify the moral agent?

    You’ve put your finger on the kind of journalistic magic whereby a “single mom” can have six kids through no apparent action by herself or anyone else. They just are there. The dads? Don’t ask.

    So I’d suggest Virgin Verbs. Or maybe Verbfuscation.

    It’s a kind of depersonalization, because at some level we’re embarrassed about acknowledging how low the black underclass has sunk. Phrases like “violence gripped the neighborhood” are like a little kid saying “the lamp fell and broke.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So I’d suggest Virgin Verbs.
     
    Parthenophilology?
  38. Footage of the Dayton officers taking down the satanist spree shooter.

    God Bless These Men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=222&v=KZzJNrVzA-E

    • Replies: @El Dato
    How come he is a satanist?

    Using .666 caliber?
    , @Romanian
    That mustache, though...
    , @Anonymous
    Good job Dayton cops. Real cops. Yeah, look at them. In uniform with pinned badges and handguns taking out this shooter in under a minute. Compare to the El Paso shooting with cops in camo dressed up like special forces, replete with night vision goggles and headsets on their helmets. After 20 minutes of costume preparation they were able to clear the mall because the shooter was done shooting and had surrendered.

    El Paso:

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190803144410-05-el-paso-shooting-0803-super-tease.jpg

    Police departments don’t need bigger playbooks and more fancy gear and special operations units. They need more of their cops in uniform on the beat.
  39. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    ‘…Angry white men have been killing for centuries…’

    What rock do creatures like you crawl out from under?

    The effect is if someone taught my Labrador Retriever to talk. It’s not edifying to listen to.

  40. @Known Fact
    You've put your finger on the kind of journalistic magic whereby a "single mom" can have six kids through no apparent action by herself or anyone else. They just are there. The dads? Don't ask.

    So I'd suggest Virgin Verbs. Or maybe Verbfuscation.

    It's a kind of depersonalization, because at some level we're embarrassed about acknowledging how low the black underclass has sunk. Phrases like "violence gripped the neighborhood" are like a little kid saying "the lamp fell and broke."

    So I’d suggest Virgin Verbs.

    Parthenophilology?

  41. Chicago: New Frontiers in the Use of the Passive Voice

    What Chicago needs is not magic dirt, but mechanical vents.

    These kids wouldn’t be so angry if they grew up in a Passivhaus.

    https://www.phius.org/home-page

  42. @lhtness
    A number of years ago, I spent an hour or so looking at the use of passive voice in crime reports because of feminist claims about how the use of passive voice to reports of rapes is somehow part of a patriarchal conspiracy to diminish responsibility of rapists. What I found, unsurprisingly, is that passive voice is very common in crime reports of all sorts.

    What I found, unsurprisingly, is that passive voice is very common in crime reports of all sorts.

    In a lot of cases it’s probably more compelling to focus on the person who was the object of the crime. This is especially true when the perp is just an anomymous individual who hasn’t yet been identified.

    For example: “Mr. X, a 36-year old school teacher, was shot by an unidentified assailant on Friday,” seem like a pretty reasonable way to structure a crime blotter sentence.

    • Agree: lhtness
  43. Remember back in the day when rogue SUVs were killing people?

  44. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Africa and India: Continents of thousands, if not millions, of years of peace.

    East Asia & Arabia: Nothing much happening.

    Rest of the World: White Man’s country inhabited by fragiles where lynchings abound, guns kill blacks and the right wing terrorists are.

    Caravans want to get into Rest of the World badly.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Africa and India: Continents of thousands, if not millions, of years of peace.
     
    India actually was its own continent until it slammed into the rest of Eurasia, creating the Himalayas.


    https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/~/media/shared/images/2%20Education_and_careers/KS4/india%20migration.JPG?h=420&w=228&la=en
  45. @Clifford Brown
    Footage of the Dayton officers taking down the satanist spree shooter.

    God Bless These Men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=222&v=KZzJNrVzA-E

    How come he is a satanist?

    Using .666 caliber?

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    This piece of shit was literally a Satanist.

    The Devil is Real. And we are at WAR.
    , @J.Ross
    He was an edgy trendy. Satanism is actually enormously popular right now, and it's not the stupid black t-shirt, superficial phase variety. I was at a family-safe street/music festival a couple of years ago and was struck by all the identifiable Satanic imagery. In a nutshell "real Satanism" is about the victory of volatile Nature (both in the sense of animals and your human nature) over the structures people make to steal a little safety and stasis from entropy.
  46. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    I notice several anti-Steve progressive readers like Mr. Kumar delurking post-shootings. Steve, you seem to have a very large “silent” readership! (I’ve noticed the same about Quillette.)

    The theme of the delurkers seems to be that mass shootings by whites are a gotcha moment for Steve. But Steve is not a Fox News conservative real time hot-take machine. He has a number of core ideas, issues, and beats that he pays a lot of attention to because he has something original to say and the courage to notice and talk about things outside the Overton window relating to those beats. And there are other issues where if he commented he would not be adding value. For instance, Steve has not shown much interest in gun control or Second Amendment issues, and in the rare instance he has he’s come at it from a unique angle, such as his “dirt gap” theory.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'm sure I've written tens of thousands of words about mass shootings over the years, and I don't really have too many new insights to add to all the previous stuff I've written.
  47. @El Dato
    Africa and India: Continents of thousands, if not millions, of years of peace.

    East Asia & Arabia: Nothing much happening.

    Rest of the World: White Man's country inhabited by fragiles where lynchings abound, guns kill blacks and the right wing terrorists are.

    Caravans want to get into Rest of the World badly.

    Africa and India: Continents of thousands, if not millions, of years of peace.

    India actually was its own continent until it slammed into the rest of Eurasia, creating the Himalayas.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Indeed, and it will happen a few times more ...

    In the silence of the tomb that was not quite a tomb, the Master [i.e. future Hitler] knew nothing of this. And he slumbered on, until the century was far behind — very far indeed. After what by some standards would have been a little while, the earth’s crust decided it had borne the weight of the Himalayas for long enough. Slowly the mountains dropped, tilting the southern plains of India towards the sky. And presently the plateau of Ceylon was the highest point on the surface of the globe, and the ocean above Everest was five and a half miles deep. Yet the Master’s slumber was still dreamless and undisturbed.

    Slowly, patiently, the silt drifted down through the towering ocean heights onto the wreck of the Himalayas. The blanket that would one day be chalk began to thicken at the rate of an inch or two every century. If one had returned some time later, one might have found that the sea bed was no longer five miles down, or even four, or three. Then the land tilted again, and a mighty range of limestone mountains towered where once had been the oceans of Tibet. But the Master knew nothing of this, nor was his sleep troubled when it happened again and again and yet again.

    Now the rain and the rivers were washing away the chalk and carrying it out to the strange new oceans, and the surface was moving down towards the hidden tomb. Slowly the miles of rock were winnowed away until at last the sphere which housed the Master’s body returned to the light of day — though to a day much longer, and much dimmer, than it had been when the Master closed his eyes.

    Little did the Master dream of the races that had flowered and died since that early morning of the world when he went to his long sleep. Very far away was that morning now, and the shadows were lengthening to the east; the sun was dying and the world was very old. But still the children of Adam ruled its seas and skies, and filled with their tears and laughter the plains and the valleys and the woods that were older than the shifting hills.

    The Master’s dreamless sleep was more than half ended when Trevindor the Philosopher was born, between the fall of the Ninety-seventh Dynasty and the rise of the Fifth Galactic Empire. He was born in a world very far from Earth....

     

    (Arthur C. Clarke - Exile of the Eons)

    .. although that's not how continental drift works and the sun will become brighter not dimmer ..
  48. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Hey Unz, how about giving Tiny Duck’s alts the same treatment you gave Priss Factor?

  49. @Anon
    I notice several anti-Steve progressive readers like Mr. Kumar delurking post-shootings. Steve, you seem to have a very large "silent" readership! (I've noticed the same about Quillette.)

    The theme of the delurkers seems to be that mass shootings by whites are a gotcha moment for Steve. But Steve is not a Fox News conservative real time hot-take machine. He has a number of core ideas, issues, and beats that he pays a lot of attention to because he has something original to say and the courage to notice and talk about things outside the Overton window relating to those beats. And there are other issues where if he commented he would not be adding value. For instance, Steve has not shown much interest in gun control or Second Amendment issues, and in the rare instance he has he's come at it from a unique angle, such as his "dirt gap" theory.

    I’m sure I’ve written tens of thousands of words about mass shootings over the years, and I don’t really have too many new insights to add to all the previous stuff I’ve written.

  50. @El Dato
    How come he is a satanist?

    Using .666 caliber?

    This piece of shit was literally a Satanist.

    The Devil is Real. And we are at WAR.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    You cannot win against the Devil.

    That's like trying to win against Agent Smith.
  51. Steve, tell how you would do the writing using the active voice when the shooters are unknown.

  52. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    My, look at how have the ‘frist psot’ posters have grown up!

  53. @Clifford Brown
    Footage of the Dayton officers taking down the satanist spree shooter.

    God Bless These Men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=222&v=KZzJNrVzA-E

    That mustache, though…

  54. @Michael S
    Those pesky guns just keep randomly going off, and no one can explain it. There are no offenders, only victims.

    I don’t care what access US citizens have or do not have to whatever weapons. Your decision. (2nd amendment business is all baked in anyway, likelihood of real change about 0%)
    What truly bores the crap out of me is the never ending simplistic explanations of gun violence.
    1. Of course it’s the person pulling the trigger (or the whatever) who is to blame. They are guilty of murder.
    2. But, PLEASE, don’t try to tell people that the type of weapon played no part in the outcome of the attack. That there would have been little to no difference in mortal outcomes were our homicidal nut-job been armed with a sharpened stick, knife,
    musket, civil war revolver, Glock, full auto AK 47, or modern Gatling gun.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    You are guilty of the same cherry-picking bologna of which you accuse others. How many people can be killed by an asshole with an automobile? Some fertiliser? A few shit-heads with box-cutters?

    Yeah, the type of weapon obviously plays a part in how many people can be killed at once, but firearms are nothing special in that regard; in fact, they inarguably offer a Hell of a lot less return on investment and ability to scale than do moving trucks, sacks of fertiliser, or aeroplanes. Hell, fentynal makes anything else amateur hour.
  55. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Now we know what the Dalits do on their break time at the ramdom dial phone scam centers in Calcutta.

  56. If you ask me, that Passive Voice has a lot of ‘splaining to do.

  57. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown
    Footage of the Dayton officers taking down the satanist spree shooter.

    God Bless These Men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=222&v=KZzJNrVzA-E

    Good job Dayton cops. Real cops. Yeah, look at them. In uniform with pinned badges and handguns taking out this shooter in under a minute. Compare to the El Paso shooting with cops in camo dressed up like special forces, replete with night vision goggles and headsets on their helmets. After 20 minutes of costume preparation they were able to clear the mall because the shooter was done shooting and had surrendered.

    El Paso:

    Police departments don’t need bigger playbooks and more fancy gear and special operations units. They need more of their cops in uniform on the beat.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    The police use camo for the same reason the military does: It's psychological and mentally very hard to get a "fix" on a person moving on a background similar to the uniform. Camo saves life. This is not controversial.
    , @Clifford Brown
    This seems excessive. The wrong camo for treeless El Paso.
  58. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    @Dharampal HA! HA! Wow your pretty dumb, most the gun violence in America comes from black on black crime, something I bet you’ll conveniently ignore because it doesn’t conform with your control freak agenda. Most of the mass shooters are leftards like yourself, that is why the media moves on so quickly, its leftard, virgins incels who think Sanders is God who shoot up public places. Quit being dishonest and deceitful, that or your just stupid.

  59. My guns have been sitting quietly in my house for years now, and they have yet to commit an act of violence. Must be defective. Either that or its the Magic Dirt I live on.

    • Replies: @europeasant
    If my guns actually got up and started shooting I would be very, very scared. Maybe a demon made himself/herself at home and started pulling pranks . I would have to move and sell that house to an unsuspecting buyer.

    I picked up a few bags of dirt from the local hardware store. I was lucky I guess in that I got the bags with magic in them. But still I will not go to the casino because of one lucky streak.
  60. @prime noticer
    what is the point of steve allowing obvious trolls to post here?

    we know everybody is against us. we know the signal to noise ratio is almost zero if we let them all post here. so what's the point? raising steve's traffic numbers?

    sorry, i'm baffled. been posting here almost 20 years. at a complete loss for the moderation practices over the last 5 or 6 years.

    I reckon Mr. Sailer is a big believer in freedom of conscience and, following from that, the freedom to speak your mind.

  61. @Anonymous
    Good job Dayton cops. Real cops. Yeah, look at them. In uniform with pinned badges and handguns taking out this shooter in under a minute. Compare to the El Paso shooting with cops in camo dressed up like special forces, replete with night vision goggles and headsets on their helmets. After 20 minutes of costume preparation they were able to clear the mall because the shooter was done shooting and had surrendered.

    El Paso:

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190803144410-05-el-paso-shooting-0803-super-tease.jpg

    Police departments don’t need bigger playbooks and more fancy gear and special operations units. They need more of their cops in uniform on the beat.

    The police use camo for the same reason the military does: It’s psychological and mentally very hard to get a “fix” on a person moving on a background similar to the uniform. Camo saves life. This is not controversial.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Yeah but there is no good camo for urban environment. It's all just show.

    And the pixelated camo is just a fad. Everyone needs to look like digimon.
    , @Futurethirdworlder
    They were going into a walmart.
  62. @Anonymous
    Good job Dayton cops. Real cops. Yeah, look at them. In uniform with pinned badges and handguns taking out this shooter in under a minute. Compare to the El Paso shooting with cops in camo dressed up like special forces, replete with night vision goggles and headsets on their helmets. After 20 minutes of costume preparation they were able to clear the mall because the shooter was done shooting and had surrendered.

    El Paso:

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190803144410-05-el-paso-shooting-0803-super-tease.jpg

    Police departments don’t need bigger playbooks and more fancy gear and special operations units. They need more of their cops in uniform on the beat.

    This seems excessive. The wrong camo for treeless El Paso.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    They could use death squad "flamingo camo" (as used by Indonesian cleaner squads in East Timor IIRC). It doesn't hide; it signals from afar that they are coming for you.
    , @fish

    The wrong camo for treeless El Paso.
     
    Certainly the wrong camo for inside a War-Mart. Maybe dress like one of the Hot Dog on a Stick girls from the mall!
  63. SMK says: • Website
    @KenH
    Black and brown men, mostly the former, have committed 1600 shootings in Chicago alone and the year isn't even over yet. Angry white men have shot perhaps 60-70 people since last October (the benchmark the radical left is now using), but that's treated like a white supremacist holocaust.

    Do you remember when Black Lives Matters were advocating the death of police and their sympathizers were committing mass shootings against cops and white people?

    White men founded and built the place so if we commit shootings in our own nation that's our prerogative and our business, not yours.

    The inverted world of a white-hating psychotic, apparently a Mumbai Indian female. Imagine the response if white males were committed all these murders and non-fatal shootings -not that such anarchy and mayhem and warfare would be allowed to happen even if white men by nature and on average were as violent and criminal as blacks. The madness would be stopped, almost immediately and with ruthless coercion, when it began. The authorities, overwhelming white males, wouldn’t condone such violence for even one week or day.

  64. @Clifford Brown
    This piece of shit was literally a Satanist.

    The Devil is Real. And we are at WAR.

    You cannot win against the Devil.

    That’s like trying to win against Agent Smith.

  65. @Yngvar
    The police use camo for the same reason the military does: It's psychological and mentally very hard to get a "fix" on a person moving on a background similar to the uniform. Camo saves life. This is not controversial.

    Yeah but there is no good camo for urban environment. It’s all just show.

    And the pixelated camo is just a fad. Everyone needs to look like digimon.

  66. @Reg Cæsar

    Africa and India: Continents of thousands, if not millions, of years of peace.
     
    India actually was its own continent until it slammed into the rest of Eurasia, creating the Himalayas.


    https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/~/media/shared/images/2%20Education_and_careers/KS4/india%20migration.JPG?h=420&w=228&la=en

    Indeed, and it will happen a few times more …

    In the silence of the tomb that was not quite a tomb, the Master [i.e. future Hitler] knew nothing of this. And he slumbered on, until the century was far behind — very far indeed. After what by some standards would have been a little while, the earth’s crust decided it had borne the weight of the Himalayas for long enough. Slowly the mountains dropped, tilting the southern plains of India towards the sky. And presently the plateau of Ceylon was the highest point on the surface of the globe, and the ocean above Everest was five and a half miles deep. Yet the Master’s slumber was still dreamless and undisturbed.

    Slowly, patiently, the silt drifted down through the towering ocean heights onto the wreck of the Himalayas. The blanket that would one day be chalk began to thicken at the rate of an inch or two every century. If one had returned some time later, one might have found that the sea bed was no longer five miles down, or even four, or three. Then the land tilted again, and a mighty range of limestone mountains towered where once had been the oceans of Tibet. But the Master knew nothing of this, nor was his sleep troubled when it happened again and again and yet again.

    Now the rain and the rivers were washing away the chalk and carrying it out to the strange new oceans, and the surface was moving down towards the hidden tomb. Slowly the miles of rock were winnowed away until at last the sphere which housed the Master’s body returned to the light of day — though to a day much longer, and much dimmer, than it had been when the Master closed his eyes.

    Little did the Master dream of the races that had flowered and died since that early morning of the world when he went to his long sleep. Very far away was that morning now, and the shadows were lengthening to the east; the sun was dying and the world was very old. But still the children of Adam ruled its seas and skies, and filled with their tears and laughter the plains and the valleys and the woods that were older than the shifting hills.

    The Master’s dreamless sleep was more than half ended when Trevindor the Philosopher was born, between the fall of the Ninety-seventh Dynasty and the rise of the Fifth Galactic Empire. He was born in a world very far from Earth….

    (Arthur C. Clarke – Exile of the Eons)

    .. although that’s not how continental drift works and the sun will become brighter not dimmer ..

  67. @Clifford Brown
    This seems excessive. The wrong camo for treeless El Paso.

    They could use death squad “flamingo camo” (as used by Indonesian cleaner squads in East Timor IIRC). It doesn’t hide; it signals from afar that they are coming for you.

  68. @El Dato
    How come he is a satanist?

    Using .666 caliber?

    He was an edgy trendy. Satanism is actually enormously popular right now, and it’s not the stupid black t-shirt, superficial phase variety. I was at a family-safe street/music festival a couple of years ago and was struck by all the identifiable Satanic imagery. In a nutshell “real Satanism” is about the victory of volatile Nature (both in the sense of animals and your human nature) over the structures people make to steal a little safety and stasis from entropy.

  69. @Clifford Brown
    This seems excessive. The wrong camo for treeless El Paso.

    The wrong camo for treeless El Paso.

    Certainly the wrong camo for inside a War-Mart. Maybe dress like one of the Hot Dog on a Stick girls from the mall!

  70. @t
    test

    Stop that. You keep doing that and clogging up the stream. Stop and just post something coherent.

  71. @animalogic
    I don't care what access US citizens have or do not have to whatever weapons. Your decision. (2nd amendment business is all baked in anyway, likelihood of real change about 0%)
    What truly bores the crap out of me is the never ending simplistic explanations of gun violence.
    1. Of course it's the person pulling the trigger (or the whatever) who is to blame. They are guilty of murder.
    2. But, PLEASE, don't try to tell people that the type of weapon played no part in the outcome of the attack. That there would have been little to no difference in mortal outcomes were our homicidal nut-job been armed with a sharpened stick, knife,
    musket, civil war revolver, Glock, full auto AK 47, or modern Gatling gun.

    You are guilty of the same cherry-picking bologna of which you accuse others. How many people can be killed by an asshole with an automobile? Some fertiliser? A few shit-heads with box-cutters?

    Yeah, the type of weapon obviously plays a part in how many people can be killed at once, but firearms are nothing special in that regard; in fact, they inarguably offer a Hell of a lot less return on investment and ability to scale than do moving trucks, sacks of fertiliser, or aeroplanes. Hell, fentynal makes anything else amateur hour.

  72. @Yngvar
    The police use camo for the same reason the military does: It's psychological and mentally very hard to get a "fix" on a person moving on a background similar to the uniform. Camo saves life. This is not controversial.

    They were going into a walmart.

  73. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Great, now the South Asians will be lambasted even more. Thanks Dharmpal. That’s helpful

  74. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    On second thought, you’re probably Tiny Duck

    • Replies: @Alden
    Isn’t Kumar a first name?
  75. @J.Ross
    No one is really fooled by any of the kabuki theater around guns

    At least a third of the population and almost all public office holders (including President Trump) are either fooled or are doing a convincing job of playing along.

    J.Ross, I wish more people had the guts to lay it out in the cut and dry manner you have here. We are well past the point of having the luxury to beat around the bush and not come right out with things as they are here in the USA. I fear your “at least a third of the population” regarding general population may be a bit on the generous side – but as for public office holders, am I really giving them too much credit in my assumption that most, if not all of them, are well aware of this now long-running duping of America reality show? It is simply not possible that Trump is not aware – his facial expressions and overall demeanor/mannerisms always take on a shamelessly sheepish quality when he addresses the country after one of these Jew tricks. It makes it all the more pathetically hypocritical of him to come off as this bad ass for calling out the “fake news” – when he himself is complicit to what can only be described as treason of the highest order – they can shove their 2012 Smith & Mundt Act up their you know what – because as you so rightfully say here, attacks on gun rights are attacks on our white Americans.
    It is safe to say the Coudenhove Kalergi Plan is getting close to its final leg, both in Europe and over here. The fact one can still read extensively on this subject online just all the more confirms things are just about fully out in the open at this point. I am surrounded by the completely unaware and/or indifferent and the surreal quality to it has yet to wear off.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >NORTHWOODS is Jew tricks
    No, it's Yalie tricks.
  76. Toronto, Canada also had an extraordinary weekend of black gun violence.

    The local news linked the carnage to El Paso and Dayton, but made no mention of Chicago.

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
    The media said it was "gun violence". They never said it was "black violence".

    That would be telling the truth, rather then pushing an narrative.
    , @J.Ross
    BBC Radio particularly insufferable today, the story is how this is all Trump's personal doing, and how The People in the relevant communities Stood Strong against The Evildoer.
  77. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Whites are scared shirtless

    I’ve read that word-choice before, and both times I’ve read a duck.

    Diamonds Are Forever (1971) Bombe Surprise & End Credits
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axyzknZYpYQ&feature=youtu.be&t=57

  78. Yep, getting shot in ChiTown is just sort of an accident; “Step on a crack – break your mother’s back!” Can’t have anything to do with the drug trade’s turf wars and contrary to what Libtards want to believe, marijuana is STILL a big part of that trade. Yesterday’s $15/oz Mexican ditch weed is today’s $30 a GRAM high-potency hybrid drug with a much higher THC content. Instead of a mild social buzz to accompany a dorm room music listening session it’ll make you near comatose or paranoid. That’s “progress” for you. And it’s being made “legal” in many states and where it isn’t legal, it’s still being trafficked. If even killer weed isn’t enough then they’ll sell you the ever-popular crack or any number of designer drugs. If a chemical will fuck you up, there’s someone who will sell it, no matter how toxic or addictive. And if the dealer on the next block crosses an imaginary line well, you just gotta do what any smart businessman would do: Cap ’em!

  79. @Jim Don Bob
    My guns have been sitting quietly in my house for years now, and they have yet to commit an act of violence. Must be defective. Either that or its the Magic Dirt I live on.

    If my guns actually got up and started shooting I would be very, very scared. Maybe a demon made himself/herself at home and started pulling pranks . I would have to move and sell that house to an unsuspecting buyer.

    I picked up a few bags of dirt from the local hardware store. I was lucky I guess in that I got the bags with magic in them. But still I will not go to the casino because of one lucky streak.

  80. @Dharampal Kumar
    Why doesn't Steve Sailer talks in detail about the mass shootings that are taking place in America and are being committed by Right Wing terrorists. Isn't it hypocritical on your part? What is the reason that this happening in America at this rate.
    Let me tell you why,
    It is because Whites are scared shirtless of becoming a minority in this country. And thank God Your Race is Dying all across the World.
    White people are double, tripling down on their fragility, centering their feelings more than ever before. If you are white and feel sad that you are being "lumped in" with the Nazis, you are the problem. YOU.

    Angry white men have been killing for centuries. Yet it is Black and brown women calling this out who are labeled "angry" and destroyed. The white guys? They become President, Congressmen, CEO of Facebook to aid and abet their fellow white men to continue killing.

    Well, well. Not in Chicago … but:

    Man pleads not guilty to charges he killed 4 family members

    HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) — A man accused of killing four family members has pleaded not guilty to aggravated murder charges.

    Thirty-seven-year-old Gurpreet Singh pleaded not guilty Monday in Butler County. The judge denied him bond, noting the seriousness of the case.

    So, who did he kill?

    Singh’s wife, her parents and her aunt each had gunshot wounds in the head.

    So, he didn’t like his mother-in-law.

    Perhaps we should be more careful about who we let into the country!

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Look what Indians do in their own country:

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1158919997273649152
  81. @Peripatetic Commenter
    Well, well. Not in Chicago ... but:

    Man pleads not guilty to charges he killed 4 family members


    HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) — A man accused of killing four family members has pleaded not guilty to aggravated murder charges.

    Thirty-seven-year-old Gurpreet Singh pleaded not guilty Monday in Butler County. The judge denied him bond, noting the seriousness of the case.
     

    So, who did he kill?

    Singh’s wife, her parents and her aunt each had gunshot wounds in the head.
     
    So, he didn't like his mother-in-law.

    Perhaps we should be more careful about who we let into the country!

    Look what Indians do in their own country:

  82. @Beavertales
    Toronto, Canada also had an extraordinary weekend of black gun violence.

    The local news linked the carnage to El Paso and Dayton, but made no mention of Chicago.

    The media said it was “gun violence”. They never said it was “black violence”.

    That would be telling the truth, rather then pushing an narrative.

  83. @Anon
    OT

    I just finished reading Caitlin Flanagan’s review of Quentin Tarantino’s Once upon a Time in Hollywood in The Atlantic. I had kind of skimmed a little of it before, but was put off of reading it closely by the tendentious title, “Tarntino’s Most Transgressive Film Celebrates Values that Have been Repeatedly Dismissed as Dangerous and Outdated.” The subeditor really had to stretch to find the paragraph from which to, out-of-context, pull that title.

    The review is really a work of art, very well written, and rather than dissing the movie as transgressive, it puts SJW critics of the movie in their place. It’s a wonderful bookend to Steve’s review from another sympathetic California native.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/tarantinos-most-transgressive-film/595309/


    What’s really got the justice critics worked up, however, isn’t the violence or the nostalgia or the silencing of Sharon Tate. What’s rattling them more than they realize is that this movie is transgressive as hell. Only Tarantino would have the balls to make something like it, something that embraces values that have repeatedly been proved—proved!—to be dangerous, outdated, the thing that people don’t want anymore. Box-office poison. And only Tarantino could do it so skillfully that it’s not until you’re back in the car that you realize what he’s done: made a major motion picture in 2019 about a man with a code, a man who hews to the old values of the Western hero.

    The justice critics aren’t interested in fictions that feel like memories. They want movies that adhere to their vision of the way the world should be. To them, the movie is too white, too violent toward women, and too uninterested in Margot Robbie, whose Sharon Tate has few lines. The New Yorker’s Richard Brody reviled the picture, calling it “ridiculously white.” But Charles Manson was a white supremacist, a fact that does tend to put a lot of white people in a movie. The majority of these white people are drugged-out sadists who live in filth, and scrounge in garbage, entirely repellent. And the Hollywood of the time was a deeply insular place from which progressive values flowed easily, but that never stopped to examine itself as a racially exclusive enterprise. Depicting it as inclusive would give the lie to the decades of hard work that have gone into changing that fact, work that is finally beginning to pay off.

    As to violence against women, what can I tell you? If you don’t like it, don’t go to a movie about the Manson killings. Say what you will about Charles Manson; he really empowered women to pursue excellence in traditionally male-dominated fields. From armed robbery to sadistic murder at knifepoint, he put women in positions from which they had been traditionally excluded, and ultimately helped them to break that hardest, highest glass ceiling, the one that makes death row such a male purview.
     

    PETA is having a fit because the pit bull killed the Manson killer s and it reaffirms the speciest stereotype that pit bulls are dangerous.
    Ban speciesism!!!!!!!!

  84. @BengaliCanadianDude
    On second thought, you're probably Tiny Duck

    Isn’t Kumar a first name?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Short answer, it doesn't work the same way our names do (searching superficially turns up more Kumars as family names than as given; see also Ahmed, which can be "first" or "last").
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    It can be a first or last name. The naming customs in the subcontinent are different
  85. @Dani
    J.Ross, I wish more people had the guts to lay it out in the cut and dry manner you have here. We are well past the point of having the luxury to beat around the bush and not come right out with things as they are here in the USA. I fear your "at least a third of the population" regarding general population may be a bit on the generous side - but as for public office holders, am I really giving them too much credit in my assumption that most, if not all of them, are well aware of this now long-running duping of America reality show? It is simply not possible that Trump is not aware - his facial expressions and overall demeanor/mannerisms always take on a shamelessly sheepish quality when he addresses the country after one of these Jew tricks. It makes it all the more pathetically hypocritical of him to come off as this bad ass for calling out the "fake news" - when he himself is complicit to what can only be described as treason of the highest order - they can shove their 2012 Smith & Mundt Act up their you know what - because as you so rightfully say here, attacks on gun rights are attacks on our white Americans.
    It is safe to say the Coudenhove Kalergi Plan is getting close to its final leg, both in Europe and over here. The fact one can still read extensively on this subject online just all the more confirms things are just about fully out in the open at this point. I am surrounded by the completely unaware and/or indifferent and the surreal quality to it has yet to wear off.

    >NORTHWOODS is Jew tricks
    No, it’s Yalie tricks.

  86. @Alden
    Isn’t Kumar a first name?

    Short answer, it doesn’t work the same way our names do (searching superficially turns up more Kumars as family names than as given; see also Ahmed, which can be “first” or “last”).

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Kumar" means "prince", so it's a (an extremely common) last name on the analogy of "Erik Prince"; it's also a popular first name. Often in both last and first names it's a compound. Sometimes as in the case of old-time actor Dilip Kumar a Muslim "Khan" becomes the more generic Indian "Kumar".
  87. @Beavertales
    Toronto, Canada also had an extraordinary weekend of black gun violence.

    The local news linked the carnage to El Paso and Dayton, but made no mention of Chicago.

    BBC Radio particularly insufferable today, the story is how this is all Trump’s personal doing, and how The People in the relevant communities Stood Strong against The Evildoer.

  88. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Short answer, it doesn't work the same way our names do (searching superficially turns up more Kumars as family names than as given; see also Ahmed, which can be "first" or "last").

    “Kumar” means “prince”, so it’s a (an extremely common) last name on the analogy of “Erik Prince”; it’s also a popular first name. Often in both last and first names it’s a compound. Sometimes as in the case of old-time actor Dilip Kumar a Muslim “Khan” becomes the more generic Indian “Kumar”.

  89. @Alden
    Isn’t Kumar a first name?

    It can be a first or last name. The naming customs in the subcontinent are different

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