When you strike at a king, you must kill him.

Love the inside joke throwbacks!

Shitty to toast a couple of pilots and a perfectly good E-jet.

If Putin had offered me the E-jet and given me a good sniper rifle to practice with, I could have handled this with much less waste. But that’s Putin, “pointlesswasteovich” ought to be the guy’s middle name.

Preegojin

Too soon to tell whodunit, IMHO.

True story.

A few decades ago some old guys from Jersey robbed a gambling club in Manhattan where some made men often played, and were caught by the cops. A friend of mine lost thousands. Somehow the money the cops reported recovered was quite a few thousand less than what was stolen.

I made an over/under bet with a friend as to how soon the first confirmed hit would be. I took under. I won the bet. One of the idiots decided to leave Jersey while out on bail and go back to Manhattan. A few weeks later they found his decomposing body in the trunk of a car in the Sheepshead Bay neighborhood of Brooklyn. As New Yorkers know, Sheepshead Bay is an area with a lot of “family” enterprises.

The moral — sometimes it’s a matter of when, not if

Prigozhin wasn’t really a military leader. More of a manager, figurehead for Wagner.

I was trying to figure out why Steve seemed giddy and I figured it out. Mask mandates are returning to businesses and colleges. Lots of rumors about the return of Lockdowns. Just in time for the elections next year, which of course has nothing at all, at all, to do with it. Nothing. At. All.

Strange Steve has supposed spelling difficulties. A scientifically literate man should be aware of Ilya Prigogine for many years. Prigogine was not just a scientist, but a deep thinking natural philosopher.

Unlike most Nobelists in the past 50 or so years.

I miss Saddam.

That dude didn’t hide behind pseudosuicides and curious crashes.

He invited the country’s top cameramen to video his purge of tens of people IN THE ROOM while he enjoyed a cigar.

At one point he even left the dais and microphone entirely to the man he was then forcing into publicly sentencing his own, present, colleagues to death.

Love him or Like him, Saddam was no coward.

No Obama drones, Clinton-Trump suicides or Putin polonium for that cat.

https://youtube.com/shorts/AVXHVTbc3jE?feature=shared

The Americans, Ukrainians or another Russian rival could have done it but there’s also this:

Journalist: “Are you able to forgive?”
Putin: “Yes, but not everything.”
Journalist: “What is impossible to forgive?”
Putin: “Betrayal”pic.twitter.com/6zFmp4CQ0l

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 23, 2023

There seems to be a lot of interpretation in the Russian domestic report about Surovikin (and probably quite a bit in the translation into English). And a hell of a lot more in the western media’s contribution to the report (ie we know he backed Przygozhin so that makes him the first to be sacked – but they don’t know a thing).

Once again by the way – all the inside gossip about Russia is being leaked by and printed in the mainstream Russian media.
Do not expect a letter from 50 current and former KGB experts assuring the Russian media that this has “all the Hallmarks of US disinformation”. Russian media are free to write this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j7NPkCmUM9w?t=6&feature=share

If Putin had offered me the E-jet and given me a good sniper rifle

…..Careful ,a certain government entity is walking to and fro like a roaring lion seeking who it may devour.

🧵1/3 The cause of Prigozhin's plane crash remains undetermined, but there have been assertions of air defenses involvement. The S-300 air defense unit is located roughly 50 km from the crash site, adds weight to this theory, though not as conclusive or final proof. pic.twitter.com/H3pgQIepcK

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) August 23, 2023

https://twitter.com/SanderRegter/status/1694433358778900593
https://twitter.com/bigSAC10/status/1694399416315347352

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Feeling listless? Trouble getting up or getting it up? Ask your doctor about Prigozhin™.

Prigozhin may cause flatulence, blindness, or an inability to fly. Seek medical attention if your erection lasts more than eight hours.

Ask About Prigozhin.

BTW, this episode may not necessarily fall into the hands of those here who celebrate it as further confirmation of something not at all debatable: That is, yes, Putin has a habit of assassinating his enemies. So far, he has continued this practice — and this time he used it against “our” ally who ostensibly tried a funny revolt at “our” behest.

So, what does this mean, really? All we can say for sure is that nothing has changed in Russia, despite “our” attempts.

We can laugh about it at length here from a distance. Remember: The reason we can is because our ancestors gave us — their Posterity! — a free land on a continent protected by two oceans from the old world’s insanity.

“We” do not belong in Ukraine, and “we” have no business in that part of the world.

Go ahread and laugh, while your dollar loses value and your homeland gets invaded according to the will of the very same rulers who took “your” country to fight a war against Russia, half a world away.

Stupid is as stupid does.

This is most unusual. Putin’s enemies tend to fall out of buildings.

If Putin had offered me the E-jet and given me a good sniper rifle to practice with, I could have handled this with much less waste. But that’s Putin, “pointlesswasteovich” ought to be the guy’s middle name.

This is, quite possibly, the single strangest comment I’ve ever come across here.

Momentarily putting aside Ukrainian heroic-tragic birth of the nation, I am always reminded of the complete misfire of Russians with imperialist Euro-Asian savagery. The worst part of their complex identity has resurfaced & is dragging them down into the abyss.

How low can you fall from the state of mind that adored Paris, created magnificent works in sonnet, ballet, novel, symphony …. to hang around with Iran, China and India (and contemporary South Africa)- with whom you have nothing in common. Neither in looks nor in cultural code nor in historical destiny.

One can appreciate those old & populous counties from an emotional-cultural distance, but that’s all.

Two great European peoples, Germans and Russians, have infinite capacity for causing misery both to themselves & to others.

Well, we can all be Walter Mitty on the Internet!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/special-counsel-s-indictment-of-russian-internet-research-agency-13-suspects/e6062822-4ca4-471b-985a-3c27dc0ce178/

Prig. one of 13

Did he fake his own death?**

Putin revenge?
CIA revenge?
Ukranian revenge?
Wagner underboss impatient to be #1 Boss?
Drunken Russian airplane mechanic?
Someone aboard had life insurance policy unawares?
Someone at Wagner upset with Priggy?
French pissed that Wagner is in Niger?

**This really wouldn’t be all that hard to fake, take dead bodies from Ukraine, stuff em’ on a helicopter you have rigged not to make it.

Prigozhin was one of 13 Russians indicted by Andrew Weissmann and Rod Rosenstein for interfering in the American election through the Internet Research Agency.

There has been a great deal of drone activity in Muscovite airspace over the last two weeks. Civilian aircraft are especially vulnerable to drone interference or outright attacks. This looks like the Ukrainians trying to keep tensions high betwixt the Russian leadership. I don’t imagine Putin had anything to do with this. Ukraine’s CIA masters are pulling the strings here.

This is, quite possibly, the single strangest comment I’ve ever come across here.

AnotherDad has been losing it for some time.

Isn’t Russia a white, Christian country with traditional gender roles? The type he laments about in every other comment of his? And yet, he hates the one man who is arguably trying to preserve such a society : Vladimir Putin.

For some numbers, AnotherDud comments here about 12-20 times as much as I do :

From the commenter histories :

AnotherDad :
Year 2023 : 1579 comments to date
Year 2022 : 2643 comments to date
Year 2021 : 2261 comments
Year 2020 : 2395 comments

Thomm :
Year 2023 : 159 comments to date
Year 2022 : 221 comments
Year 2021 : 196 comments
Year 2020 : 361 comments

So he comments here 12-13 times more often than I do, depending how you measure it. It is even more if you account for many of my comments being repeat postings of poems and songs I have written. If we take just original comments, then from 1/1/2020-present, he commented here 20 times as much as I did.

Given his advanced age, isn’t there something else he would rather spend his time on? Or is it true that after the kids leave home and the old folks are empty nesters, older men find a variety of ways to avoid interacting with their wives, up to and including posting the same comment online every day for years?

Surovikin will be the head of the Orchestra now.

I’m shocked, shocked to find out that Prigozhin’s plane crashed, apparently with Prigozhin onboard! What will Comrade Putin do??

https://twitter.com/TsarPress/status/1694415345015030262?s=20

Surovkin was canned because he headed up the Russian aerospace program. The recent crash landing on the moon was the latest in a series of spectacular failures by this program. Russia’s rulers sack their generals who fail, the USA’s rulers promote theirs, e.g., the Air-Force-destroying idiot, who is slated for promotion to CJCS.

Prigozhin’s death was most probably an accident. There are far cleaner ways to take out someone like him.

If not, then it was a messy assassination by either: (1) the Russian deep state; or (2) either the USA hegemon’s deep state or their sock puppet Zeklensky.

Doing a qui bono analysis I reject (1) for the following reasons: First, Prigozhin was neutralized as a threat to Putin as soon as his attempted (possibly phony) coup collapsed. Second, killing him now in this way would provide endless propaganda opportunities for Putin’s enemies. We’re already seeing these play out on this site. Third, the Wagner group is set to play a prominent role in ousting the US hegemon from Central Africa. That is something the rulers of France and the USA definitely do not want, although Niger’s population and the populations of its allies seem to appreciate the possibility of Russian and Chinese help. Prigozhin’s violent death can only complicate Wagner group operations in Africa.

On the other side of this argument, Ukraine and the US hegemon already have a track record of ruthlessly attacking Russian targets, human and infrastructure, inside and outside of Russia. Killing Prigozhin in a targeted terrorist attack on a civilian airplane would have a two-fold benefit. First it would provide anti-Putin propaganda opportunities as suggested above. Second it might very well complicate Russia’s cooperative operations defending Niger, Mali and other central African countries against France and the USA’s neocolonial machinations in central Africa.

More a compromised CIA asset/or Mossad mole.

Because of the amount of time that had passed, I had come to assume that Putin had some sort of 4-D chess rational for allowing Prigozhin to live. But no, he’s a judo guy after all.

(Alternative hypothesis: Prigozhin is alive, in a dungeon somewhere, wishing he had been on that plane).

Nah. Vlad’s problem is that he didn’t have enough children and establish a separate country for himself and his fellow oligarchs.

Prigozhin was offered a lenient deal considering what he had done. But he wouldn’t abide by the terms of the agreement.

“If Putin had offered me … a good sniper rifle to practice with, I could have handled this with much less waste.”

Great comment. Curious though, how much “practice” do you figure you’d need? lol

The US told citizens to leave Belarus immediately just two days ago. Interesting coincidence.

Allegedly, the internet in the Wagner’s new HQ in Belarus has been shut off (you know, I’m starting to think that trusting Lukashenko’s assurances of safety are not as rock-solid as they seem) but not before they issued this alert:

🇷🇺Wagner mercenaries in Belarus issue a declaration.

“There’s a lot of talk right now about what the Wagner Group will do. We can tell you one thing. We are getting started, get ready and wait for us.”#Prigozhin #wagner #russia #ukraine pic.twitter.com/ei8OzWi5ky

— Intel Drop (@IntelDrop_) August 23, 2023

Yeah, sure. I’m holding my breath waiting for your next move. On second thought, given how pathetically lame that last Wagner tiff ended, I’m gonna wait and see before heating up any popcorn.

And I know I’ve been hard on Lil’ BB, but I gotta give him props for finally getting around to some of that de-Nazification he kept promising everyone he was going to carry out. It’s about time, and maybe he can call it a day now and go home. I never really cared for that Adolf guy, either, but I’ll be the first to admit that anyone who can put “I killed Hitler” on his resume the way he can, well, he can’t be all bad.

I’ve heard there were 10 (?) passengers on board. If true, have we heard who they were? It’s worth asking if the others were (also) the intended targets…

Paris is full of Africa now. Sorry to inform you.

Why the hell did Yevgeny Prigozhin go back to Russia? If I was Prigozhin, I would’ve stayed in Belarus.

If he really didn’t care that much about his life, he should’ve just attempted to topple Putin during his initial rebellion. I don’t even understand why he retreated after coming so close to Moscow.

He’s an enigmatic & nonsensical character.

Steve only posts about Ukraine when the Deep State has something to cheer about. As a result, he hasn’t posted much.

“Just in time for the elections next year, which of course has nothing at all, at all, to do with it. Nothing. At. All.”

Elections . . . next year. Why/how would Democrats gain in elections from having masks and lockdowns? Last year, they got rid of them in order to control losses in an election.

There’s always an election coming sometime, so you can always say, “Just in time for XYZ.”

Prigozhin was offered a lenient deal considering what he had done. But he wouldn’t abide by the terms of the agreement.

Mental instability, delusions of grandeur, and a big mouth is a bad combination for a former mercenary leader whose only job in life was to keep quiet and keep a low profile.

Do not expect a letter from 50 current and former KGB experts assuring the Russian media that this has “all the Hallmarks of US disinformation”. Russian media are free to write this stuff.

• Juxtapose

I’ve heard there were 10 (?) passengers on board. If true, have we heard who they were? It’s worth asking if the others were (also) the intended targets…

The latest I read is that the passengers were all senior commanders in the Wagner Group. If true, this makes it extremely unlikely that the Russian government, e.g. Putin, arranged this. The Wagner Group is far too useful a Russian paramilitary tool, that Russia would deliberately cripple it in this fashion.

Agree.

Prigozhin was one of 13 Russians indicted by Andrew Weissmann and Rod Rosenstein for interfering in the American election through the Internet Research Agency.

I forgot all about that. They were fake indictments because they never intended to serve anyone in Russia. But then the Internet Research Agency voluntarily appeared and entered a not guilty plea. Since the Russia hoaxers had no actual evidence they had to dismiss the case.

So if anyone ever says Russia interfered in the 2016 election, the official answer is that the DOJ lost the case and “the Russians” were exonerated. But this is one of those facts the Fake News is prohibited from reporting, so you will never, ever read about it anywhere.

Putin may have lost patience with all the drama that comes along with the Wagner Group and will decide to stick with the regular army from now on. This was released just now:

Putin decorates tank crew from viral battlefield video
Heroes of the Zaporozhye clash were honored at the celebration of the WWII victory at Kursk
https://www.rt.com/russia/581740-alyosha-tank-heroes-putin/

Flying as he did, in a small jet — apparently between Moscow and St. Petersburg, no less, — would seem careless for a man with his experience and reputation.

Either something isn’t what it seems, or my fundamental theory stands still not disproven:

Those guys in high places are not any smarter than you or me. Nor do they possess superhuman abilities. Mostly they are placed where they are via happenstance.

And Lee Oswald really did bring his rifle to work that day, and he really did fire three shots from a window. One hit the target in the head. Not that hard to understand.

Every man sits on a toilet and shits just like you and me. Nobody is special, and no event is either. Apparently Prickosan, Prigozhen, Prickoman, whatever, was as stupid as any one of us.

And Vlad is just another Prick in a high place at the present time. And this is none of our business.

‘…If Putin had offered me the E-jet and given me a good sniper rifle to practice with, I could have handled this with much less waste. But that’s Putin, “pointlesswasteovich” ought to be the guy’s middle name.’

Be fair. It’s all relative.

Did he just pop up in Africa, or is that a hoax? Also, I don’t care.

‘Mental instability, delusions of grandeur, and a big mouth is a bad combination for a former mercenary leader whose only job in life was to keep quiet and keep a low profile.’

Of course, you never hear of those who follow your advice.

“Steve only posts about Ukraine when the Deep State has something to cheer about. As a result, he hasn’t posted much.”

Hey, how did that Russian moon landing go? So many Putin fanboys around here, but they don’t seem to have posted much about that, either.

What really happened in Bakhmut was that Prigozhin was funneling troops, loot cash gear back and forth. That’s why Shoigu dropped all the phosphorus bombs on the western approaches to Bakhmut. He had to die.

The Soviet N-1 rocket blew up because it had too many small engines clustered together in a desparate attempt to compensate for the fact that they could not match the American ability to build truly large engines.

Hate to say it, but Elon Musk’s giant rocket suffers from the same problem, and it blew up too.

Russians have always tried to copy American things. When an American bomber crew had to make an emergency landing inside “their ally’s” country, the Soviet Union, during WWII, the Russians impounded the American B-29 and never gave it back.

They proceeded to copy everything in that plane, and thereafter generations of Russian bombers highly resembled the old B-29. Even their ancient but still in service Tu-95 still does in ways, with its piston engines and loud propellers. Propellers!

Okay, so your reply has nothing at all to do with this American proxy war on present-day Russia. So, what is your point? Russians are funny, yes, but we don’t have anything to do with them, so why do you care so much?

Really, Why Do You — and others like you — Care So Much?

Saddam even asked “Is this the bravery of Arabs?” while his future executors were verbally taunting him in preparation for his execution.

Should have moved/fled to Israel, frankly.

The Babylon Bee covers it best:

‘Leader Of Failed Russian Uprising Dead After Accidental Ingestion Of Surface-To-Air Missile’

Interesting actually that they had to whack him that way. It suggests he would have been able to offer some resistance on the ground.

He retreated because he concluded that his chances of success were near-zero, most likely.

And Putin could have probably killed him in Belarus as well.

“How low can you fall from the state of mind that adored Paris, created magnificent works in sonnet, ballet, novel, symphony …. to hang around with Iran, China and India (and contemporary South Africa)- with whom you have nothing in common.”

I dunno, he seems to be fitting right in:

Today I attended BRICS summit.. pic.twitter.com/r5kbtaTTLu

— Darth Putin (@DarthPutinKGB) August 23, 2023

(Yes, I know it’s been “airbrushed”, but really, are the Russians in any position to complain about that?) And I suspect Indians would agree with you that Putin doesn’t belong to be standing next to Modi at this point, given how their respective space programs have performed in the last few days, but none of the fanboys want to seem to talk about that. Are any of Putin’s paid trolls on Unz-dot-com gonna give us a write up about that at some point?

I miss Saddam.

That dude didn’t hide behind pseudosuicides and curious crashes.

Now, now! Putin is just wittier about it. I recall when one of his extremely vocal critics–he went after Putin personally–was poisoned with radiation, if memory serves, Putin said, and I’m paraphrasing,”well, if you defect and decide to be a spy against your own country, and talk a lot of shit, sometimes bad things happen. It’s part of that job, isn’t it?”

I couldn’t really disagree with him.

Putin reminds me a bit of trump, in that he doesn’t tend to go after people unless they screw with him first. Not saying putin’s a good guy. Just a predictable one. At least you know what you have to do for your plane to crash, so you can plan your day around it.

Ay comrade, list of Glorious Russia Victories in Great Patriotic Ukraine Not-War Special Military Operation is very long. So long no room here.

Steve must commence now listen to Scott Ritter’s PedoPodCast. Now free after very short jail!

Considering the drone strikes on Moscow, somebody with an itchy button finger makes sense.

I suppose the first order conclusion is “Putin did this” but if so why didn’t he just off him in the immediate aftermath of the failed coup when it could easily be justified? My understanding is that Prigozhin’s quasi-exile was an accord with Putin so that the Wagner mercenaries wouldn’t mutiny and they would resume fighting in the Ukraine – maybe the deal was off and Putin whacked Prigozhin but it’s probably just as likely that another faction of the Russian government did for its own ends. The remaining Wagner troops will naturally suspect Putin, which is a problem that Putin doesn’t need.

In any event, in a Democracy what you do is have four jurisdictional prosecutorial authorities indict Prigozhin and everyone he ever talked to ninety-one times in the span of a few months, you don’t kill him. Killing him is not who we are.

The irony: Progozhin was Putin’s personal chef…😮

“In any event, in a Democracy what you do is have four jurisdictional prosecutorial authorities indict Prigozhin and everyone he ever talked to ninety-one times in the span of a few months, you don’t kill him. Killing him is not who we are.”

I’d rather be indicted than murdered. So count me on Team Democracy, I guess.

Why/how would Democrats gain in elections from having masks and lockdowns?

To make security even more lax in swing states than they already have made it.

That being said, I share your skepticism that this is really happening. The preponderance of these stories the past few days seems more like wishcasting from the right.

Strange Steve has supposed spelling difficulties. A scientifically literate man should be aware of Ilya Prigogine

There are enough transliterations into English to keep track of. You expect us to recognize those into Walloon?

Cue “Layla.”😥

That's IN DeSantis's immigration policy paper released two months ago. But the more the merrier, I guess. https://t.co/dtOvRzsOD6

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) August 24, 2023

“Overton Window” is shifting…

OT: Fat Man and Little Boy

Someone had to unplug the computer. pic.twitter.com/3dac0fpZ1x

— Chris Christie (@GovChristie) August 24, 2023

OT

I read the higher ed websites and I’ve been noting the increased use of the word “access.”

Then there’s this:

Julian R. Williams, who had been vice president for diversity, equity, and inclusion since 2020, is now vice president for access, civil rights, and community engagement. The university also changed its Office of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion to be the Division of Access, Civil Rights, and Community Engagement.

So I think we’re seeing a terminology transformation in which DEI is DIEing, only to be replaced by a new term that will highlight “access,” along with “community”; and of course “civil rights” is simply the law, so who can complain about that! In fact, there are so many blacks with Ivy League J.D.’s who are underemployed that I predict that they will begin to populate six-figure campus “access” positions.

“Pre” people seem to have a predilection to die in a crash. RIP magnetic, captivating, supremely talented Steve Prefontaine, whom everybody called “Pre” because the full name was too long to pronounce, too hard to spell.

Mr. Prigozhin won’t be joining us for the rest of his life.

What Henry Kissinger said about America could be said about Vladimir Putin:

To be an enemy of Putin can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.

Shoigu had to get rid of him too.

Deep State has been in cheering mode since January 2022. Russia just keeps going from bad to worse, and now China has started to crack as well. No one could have imagined two years ago that the US would be in the power position it currently finds itself in. And, at least on the surface, due to self inflicted wounds by its chief rivals not American competence. I mean I guess the Deep State is so amazingly competent that they tricked Putin into a disastrous invasion and convinced Xi to combine a ridiculous overreaction to COVID with an already disastrous plunge in fertility but I think Americans are just lucky.

Steve only posts about Ukraine when the Deep State has something to cheer about. As a result, he hasn’t posted much.

This is just a subjective impression on my part, but the amount of mainstream media coverage of the Ukraine-Russia war seems to be diminishing. The public appears to be souring on our involvement. A recent CNN poll shows a majority of Americans now oppose further military assistance to the Ukraine.

Paying less attention to what is happening on the other side of the planet is a good thing. We have serious problems here at home we need to focus on like controlling our borders, reducing crime, making Social Security solvent for the long term and decreasing our expanding federal government deficits.

Americans have been kicking the can down the road for decades when it comes to dealing with our problems. They were able to do this because the Boomers entered their peak productive years in the nineteen eighties, and this led to economic growth. For example, Boomers like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. This large generation is now in the process of retiring. We will be seeing drops in tax revenue, declines in economic growth and rapid increases in spending on Social Security and Medicare.

NAFO fellas bonked him

Glory to Ukraine.

It’s over for Russia.

Nikki Haley won the debate tonight

As David Bowie pointed out “god is an american “.

You have a point. No sane person would deny that the USA is a train wreck at this point, but Russia’s considerably worse, and China’s not looking so hot at the moment either. Who else is there?

Americans are just lucky.

It’s certainly worked for us before.

A recent CNN poll shows a majority of Americans now oppose further military assistance to the Ukraine.

Better late than never. Can we get any of the $250 billion back?

We will be seeing drops in tax revenue, declines in economic growth and rapid increases in spending on Social Security and Medicare.

And Medicaid, and SNAP EBT… I know! Let’s have another 50 million third-world migrants added to the mix.

If that was in the early 80s, my father used to walk our dogs in Sheepshead Bay, since we lived across from the fishing boats. He has a story about walking past a car for a few days and the smell getting noticeably worse, and when the cops finally popped the trunk, it was a dead mob guy with all his cash & jewelry still on him. This was around 1983-84′

They did the same in the beginning of the Dark Knight Rises, extracting an asset, transferring blood to a body double, and crashing a plane to kill everyone on board. Consider everything is a psyop until proven otherwise at this point.

AnotherBoomer is certainly among the stranger commenters on here.

It’s far from clear that it was Putin who ordered this. Prigozhin had many enemies. But some people here can’t stop with the Cold War, neocon Russophobia.

Prigozhin’s death, plane crash, SAM fire, et al. is just another ruse.

It was staged and actually no one was aboard. Perhaps because I’m a former investigator it jumped out at me that this was staged when I saw a video of the passengers boarding the Embraer 600. Then I saw Russian intel sources disseminating this video along with other confirmatory evidence. C’mon man, you don’t need to be a Colombo to see this is staged to look like a death.

How the hell are so many smart people so damn gullible??

Prigozhin’s name will far outshine yours, you pathetic, childish old man.

And, at least on the surface, due to self inflicted wounds by its chief rivals not American competence. I mean I guess the Deep State is so amazingly competent that they tricked Putin into a disastrous invasion and convinced Xi to combine a ridiculous overreaction to COVID with an already disastrous plunge in fertility but I think Americans are just lucky.

States exist in an anarchic world order in which the future is unpredictable. Under such conditions, it’s not unusual to see states like Russia lash out when a neighboring state becomes less compliant or increasingly hostile.

It’s not out of the question in the near future that a hawkish US administration will support or encourage a de facto or explicit declaration of independence by Taiwan, inviting a military response from China. In fact, from the US perspective, such a move may be preferable sooner rather than later when/if the military gap between the US and China could be narrower.

Did he fake his own death?**

Note:

was listed as a passenger

All we know now is that he was on the passenger manifest. And everyone onboard died.

Until you have the body/DNA, no confirmation.

Lincoln/Douglas II: The squawking in Milwaukee.

Hey, how did that Russian moon landing go? So many Putin fanboys around here, but they don’t seem to have posted much about that, either.

Prigozhin’s sabotage of the moon landing was the last straw for him. Remember it’s the hoarders AND the wreckers.

Or:

“Never do an enemy a small injury.”

I’m still shorting Wagner Group.

Americans are just lucky.

It’s certainly worked for us before.

“I’d rather be lucky than good” – Chuck Yeager.

To be fair, lots of people can’t spell Sailer either. I’ve seen him called “Sailor” many times, even by his own commenters.

Anyway — to learn the correct spelling of Pirygozhin’s name, any information on his supposed death (seems fake to me, so far), or in fact anything related to international politics, the last place I’d go to would be Sailer’s blog…

But to read snarky comments about the latest NYT Op-Ed about race? Then, yes, maybe.

Deep State has been in cheering mode since January 2022. Russia just keeps going from bad to worse, and now China has started to crack as well. No one could have imagined two years ago that the US would be in the power position it currently finds itself in. And, at least on the surface, due to self inflicted wounds by its chief rivals not American competence. I mean I guess the Deep State is so amazingly competent that they tricked Putin into a disastrous invasion and convinced Xi to combine a ridiculous overreaction to COVID with an already disastrous plunge in fertility but I think Americans are just lucky.

Agree.

Even with all the miscalculations and stupidity, no great power in history has had a policy as insane and destructive as the “come invade us!” policy of the “American” establishment.

Yet, in the last few years, the competing powers–while doing nothing nowhere near as destructive long term–have been on a rampage to shoot themselves in the foot.

Putin/Russia was in a pretty good place. Russia’s long term need was to kick out the illegals from the ‘stans and work on “Affordable Family Formation” to get the core Russian population’s fertility turned around and eugenic–and avoid long term muslimifaction. So he … invades Ukraine.

Without a serious immivasion issue China basically no problems, except turning fertility around eugenically. Otherwise, it could just go about its business and watch the West decay into diversity contention and low IQ mediocrity. Instead, Xi goes around provoking petty military conflicts with the Philippines and India and insists on saber rattling on Taiwan. And then he slams on lockdown for a virus whose effect–punching a bunch of us old folks’ tickets a bit early–is actually–to be blunt about it–beneficial to China’s demographic mess, tanking the economy and crushing fertility even further.

The US has its worst administration ever … yet is still sort of holding its ground cause the other guys suck so badly as well. Just hard to see any leaders who are worth a damn to their people.

Headline mad me laugh out loud for the first time today! – Great way to start into a day – thx.!

Glory to Ukraine.

….fine, just no more money…

It’s over for Russia.

..right ,the war is just about over and Russia wins.

I’m still shorting Wagner Group.

…..It’ll be back under new management ,most likely under greater FSB control , mercenary forces are too useful to dispense with.

Russia had to protect itself from Ukraine becoming a George Soros/NATO base in the future, which they’ve done. They’ve also field tested their military and made dramatic improvements. Apparently they’ve killed about 10 Ukrainians for each Russian. I don’t see how any of that hurts Russia or helps the USA. The resources that Russia owns are more valuable than ever by the way.

China has had a self-inflicted wound because of its Covid neuroticism, but it’s still in an enormous power. People are living so much better than 10 years ago, not to mention 30 years ago. They will be able to act independently and be free of the USA’s bossiness. How is that not a win for them?

Life in America rolls on, but things aren’t great. There’s a lot of misery out there, and the future looks bleak for future generations.

That first pic…god, only genetic engineering can do something. No group of people deserves to be so fugly.

Agree. If Vladimir Putin had wanted Prigozhin dead he would have been dead long ago and Putin wouldn’t kill nine other people and sacrifice a perfectly good business jet to do so. This affair has all the signs of a CIA/MI6/Ukrainian secret service assassination. Wagner has been a huge nuisance in Africa and Prigozhin’s elimination may have more to do with that than with Ukraine.

Indian space program is a great feat of engineering leading…nowhere, as is the case with most space programs.

I may be glad for them, but that was expected…

Glory to Ukraine.

Ukraine is a very white country, you know. And a significant number of them are unreconstructed Nazis. I don’t think that many Ukrainians long to copulate with people of color, or whatever crude porny formulation you are fond of using. Sounds like a loss for Team Diversity, Tiny Duck, Ebony Obelisk, and other such wokebots.

The TU-95 is a turboprop aircraft, not piston engined. Propellers are by no means obsolete–the Lockheed C-130 uses them, as does the recently-introduced Airbus A-400 transport. And I’m not at all certain that generations of Red Air Force bombers resembled the B-29/TU-4. The piston engine had reached the zenith of its potential by the late 1940s in both the West and the USSR.

The capabilities of the MiG-15 when it first appeared in Korea were a nasty surprise to the USAF.

Buzz Mohawk wrote to HA:

Really, Why Do You — and others like you — Care So Much?

You haven’t figured it out, yet?

Ron doesn’t like doxxing, so I won’t link to it, but HA let the cat out of the bag a while back if you go through his comments carefully.

Let’s just say it’s an ethnic thing (no, he’s not Jewish).

Funny how many different ethnic groups over there hate each other.

Christie isn’t quite as senile as Biden.

Not quite.

Yet.

Hey, how did that Russian moon landing go?

How are those uke soldiers with their legs blown off going?

How low can you fall from the state of mind that adored Paris, created magnificent works in sonnet, ballet, novel, symphony …. to hang around with Iran, China and India (and contemporary South Africa)-

Can you explain why the French are doing it, first? They aren’t just hanging around them, they are importing them and the rest of the 3rd world at replacement levels.

Prigozhin was one of 13 Russians indicted by Andrew Weissmann and Rod Rosenstein for interfering in the American election through the Internet Research Agency.

The indictment is at this link: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

That’s Machiavelli I think:

“Men avenge slight injuries, but not grave ones”

“He who draws his sword against his prince should throw away the scabbard”

Paris used to be the classic place to go for a romantic long weekend.

These days? Budapest, Copenhagen?

My kids are big travellers but Paris doesn’t seem to be on the mental radar any more.

(I think at least one other passenger was a senior military leader who Russia would miss…)

“How low can you fall from the state of mind that adored Paris, created magnificent works in sonnet, ballet, novel, symphony …. to hang around with Iran, China and India (and contemporary South Africa)- with whom you have nothing in common.”

It’s Europe, wholly in thrall to the US, who’ve rejected Russia, not the other way round.

“Needs must when the Devil drives”

Sad! (especially for Germany, but for all of Europe)

Still, Russians have been writing about the love/hate Europe relationship for more than a century:

https://allpoetry.com/The-Scythians

But if you spurn us, then we shall not mourn.
We too can reckon perfidy no crime,
And countless generations yet unborn
Shall curse your memory till the end of time.

We shall abandon Europe and her charm.
We shall resort to Scythian craft and guile.
Swift to the woods and forests we shall swarm,
And then look back, and smile our slit-eyed smile.

A common mistake with respect to Russia is to think of Tolstoy, Dostoevsky,
Rachmaninoff, and the like, as somehow representative of the Russian people.
No, they’re simply 0.1 percenters that have virtually nothing to do with 99.9%
of the Russians. Rod Dreher who converted to Eastern Orthodoxy often makes that
mistake. 0.1 percenters in the Eurasian countries are typically so talented
that they are bound to create important works of art, literature, and music wherever
they live. We just don’t hear about them so much if they had the misfortune of being
born in a small country. Poland, which technically didn’t exist in the 19th century,
is a good example. Everyone has heard of Alexander Pushkin but few know
of the great Polish bard Adam Mickiewicz (1798-1855). The Doll (1890) by the
Polish writer Boleslaw Prus is as great a novel as Anna Karenina, but again very
few know it even exists.

Geopolitics. Whether capitalist and communist or woke capitalist and Christian, the USA and Russia fight over territory like any other great powers.

You forgot about Peter’s Westernization push, cutting beards and forcing nobles to give up their caftans for the kind of sus clothes 18th-century Europeans liked. Personally, the caftans looked way more comfortable than the quasi-trans Western shoe buckles and knee breeches and wigs, but who can judge?

It is odd that a pro-Ukrainian is recognizing that Russians aren’t a savage Asiatic horde which is how they are usually described here, wanting to enslave the liberty-loving peoples of Eastern Europe. Shifting the goal posts for propaganda purposes, Bardon?

At this point, China, India and Iran are looking very reasonable and not evil compared to the NY-London-DC-Tel Aviv-Brussels axis. A live and let live situation. They aren’t perfect, but they aren’t evil, unlike some power blocks one could name.

I never got why he backed down in the first place. Putin was never going to let him live. At least go down in the history books.

There is, of course, one power that Putin wouldn’t attack directly. If I were Prigozhin, I would have gone to the US embassy and declared that I was a woman and could no longer live in the transphobic environment of Russia. (Not sure being gay would do it anymore.)

“the senior commander of the Wagner Private Military Company, Dmitry Utkin, and Valery Chekalov, responsible for the company’s logistics” are on the list – why would Russia want to polish off competent military people?I

Some online person has theorised that Macron did a deal with Putin – you stop Wagner in Niger so we get our uranium/plutonium back and keep the CFA as local currency, I’ll get EU to wind back on Ukraine. Trouble with the theory is, does Macron have that kind of power any more, if he ever did?

Putin may have done this but it’s just as likely that an outside party did.

Who else was on board?

In addition to Prigozhin, Rosaviatsiya said Dmitry Utkin – a former Russian special forces operator and alleged co-founder of the PMC – was also traveling on the jet, as was Valery Chekalov, whom the US considers to be the deputy head of Wagner. The remaining passengers listed were Sergey Propustin, Evgeny Makaryan, Alexander Totmin, and Nikolay Matuseev, identified by Russian news outlets as Wagner.

https://www.rt.com/russia/581735-prigozhin-plane-crash-facts/

If it was the Ukrainians and/or Americans who did this, it’s fun to think how much evidence would be required for some guys here to accept it. We will have to wait for David Ignatius to write a piece in the WaPo explaining why it was a stroke of brilliance. Then Jack D might concede the point.

Agree. (Not commenting enough lately, so button unavailable).

Keep going, you are on a roll my friend…

He utterly deflated the masked cowards while he stood with a noose around his neck on top of the trapdoor.

He had a good time of life until the very end.

Putin is gangsta!

No, this was the late 80s.

Which means, either your father was wrong about the year, or more likely leaving dead bodies in the trunk of a car in Sheepshead Bay was a way the mob sent a message.

It’s just now I learned the French spell his name “Evgueni Prigojine”*. Judging by the Wikipedia entries, his first and last names are spelled all sorts of ways in our alphabet. They really need to standardise this.

* https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgueni_Prigojine

If Prigozhin is dead, I would think that if it were the Russians they would have wanted it done out of country, in Africa for example. Private planes exploding in Russian airspace is not a good look for Russia, and a war zone in Africa is better cover for anyone who wants to obfuscate. The spectacle of the assassination in Russia makes Russia look like a banana republic. Of course, it doesn’t have to be a single culprit. Maybe a special team for, I don’t know, some oligarchs of suspect national loyalty do it for ‘Putin’, and they just do it in Russia, so more than one itch is scratched.

“Really, Why Do You — and others like you — Care So Much?”

Says the guy who, according to his comment history, has just posted (or in one case agreed with) FIVE comments on matters related to Russia — one of which criticizes Steve’s recent lack of posting on Russia.

Maybe you should first take your own advice, fanboy, before pressing it on others.

This time the government gets a real 1/6. Do you not see the civil unrest that will result from another lockdown or Jab mandate?

“Russia had to protect itself from Ukraine becoming a George Soros/NATO base in the future, which they’ve done.”

Yeah, sure, it’s always sunny in Moscow, at least when the drones aren’t dropping bombs and scuttled moon landings aren’t raining down shards of debris. Shame about Finland and Sweden, tho. Maybe if Russia hadn’t been so distracted by Ukraine, NATO and Soros wouldn’t have been able to slip two whole extra bordering states in there after decades of rejection. Looks like the old one-two-misdirection psych finally did the trick.

And according to the latest troll propaganda, once Poland swoops in and takes Western Ukraine for itself, isn’t Russia back to being crammed right next to a NATO state with no buffer in between, except one that mistrusts it far more than Ukraine ever did? And you don’t see how any of that hurts Russia?

Like I said, according to the fanboys, every hand’s a winner as long as Putin is holding the cards. Weird how that works.

Right! The Russian space agency should just do like Need Another Seven Astronauts and outsource all all of their launches to the private sector.

“If it was the Ukrainians and/or Americans who did this, it’s fun to think how much evidence would be required for some guys here to accept it. We will have to wait for David Ignatius to write a piece in the WaPo explaining why it was a stroke of brilliance.”

You mean to say someone did do this? Yeah, makes sense–I mean, given that the Russians “confirmed” that Prigozhin’s body was indeed recovered and identified, why would anyone doubt that he’s dead? What other evidence does anyone need other than a press-release “confirmation” by Russian authorities? And given that one was issued, why would anyone suspect that he might actually still be out there somewhere as we speak, munching down some sashlik that he paid for with a blood diamond or two?

Yevgeny V. Prigozhin: the People’s Princess:
https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1694689889541906473?s=20

I mean, given that the Russians “confirmed” that Prigozhin’s body was indeed recovered and identified, why would anyone doubt that he’s dead?

So you’re taking that angle? I did not see that coming. I guess the only thing I can be certain of is that you’ll be highly indignant at the stupidity of the rest of us and that you’ll use the word “fanboy” a lot.

Lol, thats true of every country. Do you think that the talented Fatmericans are much more than 0.1%? But they have better promotion.

As for the rest, it has little to do with the country but more to do with language and environment. Conrad wrote in English, if he hadn’t no one would have heard of him.

But Gombrowicz became more or less known even though he wrote in Polish and lived in Argentina.

Lots of foreign artists and painters lived in Paris and became famous for the contacts made there, because it was the cultural capital of the time. Like later NY.

Being Jewish counts too, or no one would have heard of Ginsberg or Tristan Tzara.

Mostly they are placed where they are via happenstance.

luck never hurts. i would say that on average these are relatively high IQ guys, but with pathological levels of ambition. that, and their amorality opens up prospects that people with a moral compass would not imagine, or even consider implementing, but not because the prospects are so mind-bendingly clever.

You Zelensky fanboys have been riding his jock pretty hard so this is projection on your part.

You’re also being dishonest when you act like the “troll propaganda” is coming mainly from Russia. It’s well documented that there’s a heavily funded campaign to convince Americans to keep supporting Ukraine by various governments, NGOs, and folks like George Soros.

Anybody who thinks Putin had anything to do with Prigozhin’s murder is a bigger idiot than I thought the average Stevist to be, which is not something easy to do.

This was obviously a Ukrainian intelligence operation, but the Ukrainians couldn’t have pulled it off without assistance from someone inside the Russian security apparatus. That means that Russian security is alarmingly full of holes, which ironically is the very problem Prigozhin was trying to draw attention to with his rebellion.

Unfortunately, Putin’s vacillation when it comes to fighting this “existential” war has gotten yet another Russian patriot killed. Russian warriors are being assassinated inside Russia while Zelensky and his Western contacts are free to traipse around the world with impunity, drumming up more money and weapons for a seemingly limitless campaign that sets no reasonable bounds to the cost.

This is where the Russian strategy needs to be amended. Russia claims to be winning the war of attrition because it destroys Ukrainian armed forces much faster than its own forces suffer casualties. However, this doesn’t matter quite so much when the other side is being resupplied continuously. There is no shortage of obsolete junk and mercenaries that the West can dump into Ukraine, enough to keep the war going for years.

The only way to stop this is to cut off the head of the serpent. It is high time—it was high time long ago—to destroy the regime in Kiev and interdict the flow of Western weapons into Ukraine. Why this is not being done is an enduring puzzle verging upon a scandal.

In response to continued escalation and provocation by the West, Putin’s countermeasure thus far has been to make war upon grain silos. “The pain in Ukraine stays mainly with the grain,” my fair lady.

If Putin does not respond forcefully to the Prigozhin martyrdom with high-level attacks upon Kiev and the elimination of regime figures including Zelensky, then his government will split and his days in command of Russia will be over. These are very dark times indeed. The war just became a lot more existential for Russia than it ever had been before, and Putin has no one to blame but himself. He is a capable man, an intelligent man, a great manager and a superb diplomat, but he’s not a wartime consigliere.

Wishcasting from the right? Or cope from the left?

Here’s the primer: Newer, even more deadlier variant!

https://globalnews.ca/news/9906142/covid-variant-ba286-canada/

Here’s how the snowball starts.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/georgia-college-has-zero-cases-of-covid-theyre-bringing-the-mask-mandate-back-anyway

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hollywood-studio-covid-rates-mask-mandates-back-1235571466/

Based on what happened last time, how or why you think “oh, they won’t try that again” when they got away with it the first time baffles me.

And “wishcasting” is a dishonest term. Nobody on the right wants another lockdown just so they can say I told you so. That’s pure projection from the left.

“FIVE comments on matters related to Russia… fanboy…”

SEVEN comments so far on this thread, and the day is young in the States…

Matthew 7:3-5

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

The most important war since WWII and all the commentary we get from Steve are snarky remarks about Prigozhin.

Preegogone.

Not really. Putin’s silence is deafening. Putin won’t even say Navalny’s name. When Putin wants you gone it’s as if you disappeared. Surovikin also fired at the same time and on the plane was not just Prigozhin but most of his most important deputies including Utkin, who was “Wagner” himself. There was a 2nd plane with more Wagner guys and reportedly they were arrested when they landed.

This was the Night of the Long Knives.

Latest thinking is that this was an FSB operation. Bomb on board. It will be interesting to see if Bellingcat can break this open the way they were able to trace Navalny’s poisoning. FSB is usually sloppy and leaves fingerprints. But today’s wartime Russia is a lot more locked down than it was when Navalny was poisoned.

If it was the Russians who did this, it’s fun to think how much evidence would be required for some guys here to accept it. The wreckage was still burning and guys here were already posting denials and conspiracy theories. Like I said then, at least wait for the official Russian lie so that you can present a unified front like in the Communist days.

Was it the Americans or the Ukrainians? A lot of the Rushists are trying to blur Ukraine/NATO together on every occasion because being defeated by NATO or the US looks better than being defeated by a bunch of Khokhols.

It will be interesting to see IF there is an official Russian version, beyond “engine trouble”. Are they working on concocting a story or is the silence deliberate because Prigozhin is an unperson now?

Utkin was the actual military leader, and he was on the plane with Prigozhin. In hindsight, it would have been better to keep them separated because they should have known they would be targeted.

Oh well. Putin seems hellbent on removing any competent commanders in favor of prolonging the war and getting more Russians killed. At this point, I would question whose side he’s even on, because he seems to be handing victories to the West now.

Yet another example of black-and -white approach. Putin is anti-Peter in his activity & his ideological struggle against Westernization is the best example of how he is deeply historically wrong. His, and those Russians who support him, is a collective emotional-cognitive defeat of epic proportions.

That goes far beyond geopolitics, NATO or gays. Russia under Putin is committing a national suicide because she has unleashed the worst Asiatic traits in collective identity/being & has explicitly denied its “racial”-cultural-historical identity through a pack of lies & civilizational orientation toward China, India, Iran, Turkey… countries completely alien & historical enemies of Russia.

That is a truly epic identitarian disorder & derangement.

This is another question & is answerable only if we analyze French history in the past 200-250 years & it has nothing to do with Russia.

I wouldn’t say Prus is of such eminence, but informed people know about Poles, from Kopernik, Jan Sobieski (who definitely defeated the Ottoman menace lasting more than three centuries), Mickiewicz (who is a better poet than Pushkin, although I read him only in translation- I just don’t care for Romantic epoch of Byron, Leopardi, Hugo, Vigny, Lenau,..), Slowacki, Chopin, Sienkiewicz, Smoluchowski, Banach, Stokowski, Reymont, Gombrowicz, Nalkowska, Lem, Andrzejewski, Iwaszkiewicz, Milosz, Kolakowski, Kieslowski, Wajda, Holland, …  

Even not mentioning people wholly or partially of Polish origin who contributed to other cultures like Conrad, Lobachevsky, Boudenay, Stravinsky, Olyesha,…

“Nothing in his life became him like the leaving of it.” He went down game, and that has to count.

“How are those uke soldiers with their legs blown off going?”

Some are still fighting, thanks for asking. As for the rest, well, even some of them are doing a lot better than you, I’m guessing. So sad, these fanboys — do they really think a vatnik’s legs doesn’t blow off just as easily? Is that what Putin is telling them?

Russians have always tried to copy American things. When an American bomber crew had to make an emergency landing inside “their ally’s” country, the Soviet Union, during WWII, the Russians impounded the American B-29 and never gave it back.

IIRC, the B-29 the Russkies copied had a flak hole in the vertical stabilizer and the Russkies copied that too.

Paris is still far less African than any major American city.

By far the most insightful (but still concise) account of
Prigozhin’s assassination is by Misha Firer on Quora.

Like a lot of weird conspiracy theories connected to Russia , the “Putin didn’t do it” theory actually implies Putin is a weak cuck with no control over what happens on his own territory. If Putin didn’t order Prigozhin killed, patriots should demand he resign. Likewise if the Americans blew up the pipeline, why can’t the Russians get their act together to demand recompense and take their demands to the UN? What a sad weak country if the US pushes them around so easily. Same again with the “Ukrainians blew up the dam” story. What corrupt incompetents the Russian military must be to let Ukrainians infiltrate a strategic piece of infrastructure under Russian control.

No one has more contempt for Russians than the supposed “Putin fans” who push this nonsense.

You realize Ukrainians are overwhelmingly white and hs e Nazis in their ranks?

“indignant at the stupidity of the rest of us”

Indignant? Can you not read the room? Lil’ BB would have to haul himself up way more than a few rungs on the credibility ladder to get people indignant at this point. To everyone outside the Wagner group and the ever-faithful fanboy lackeys — including an increasing number of Muscovites having to dodge 1) Ukrainian drones, 2) lunar module fragments, and now 3) Wagnerite body parts — he’s languishing down at laughingstock level. He should be so lucky as to crawl back to indignation-level cringe at some point before he croaks.

I don’t know what makes him more pathetic/laughable, the fact that he allowed a mutineer like Prigozhin to live this long or the fact that Prigozhin had to basically (and yes, stupidly) serve himself and his entire high command in a single private airplane for easy disposal before anything was done to him. Or else, that the US and Ukraine are, as you’re implying, able to pick off planes right under Lil’ BB’s nose on the outskirts of Moscow (but which curiously contain political enemies that just so happen to also be — as you yourself admitted — on his own death-wish betrayal list). Or even that Prigozhin paid a bunch of people off in order to stage his death and retire into quiet anonymity, raping African women in the relative quiet of his Heart-of-Darkness compound. By all means, toss that last hypothesis into the mix, too. I myself don’t think any of this makes Putin shine all that brightly, I’ll give you that. But indignant? No, as always, you fanboys love to project.

BRICS is like the G7, ( and a new monetary exchange system). Get over it! They’re not gonna open their borders to China or Iran. Open borders is a US and EU thing.

This was obviously a Ukrainian intelligence operation

I’m not sure that’s obvious. FUKUS is a motivated player given what the Russians are getting up to in darkest Africa. It is highly unlikely that this was the work of ‘Putin’, and there is a history of inconvenient folks, apparently aligned with Russia, getting offed inside Russia. Back in 2014 after a meeting with Medvedev about investment plans in Russia, Total’s de Margerie was killed by a drunk snowplow driver on a Moscow runway, allegedly. Around that time he was advocating closer, more secure ties to Russian gas/oil supplies, including infrastructure investment, contradicting the prevailing sanctions narrative. (This occurred at the Vnukovo airport, an airfield for dignitaries, not Domodedovo for the hoipolloi, so if he was assassinated it was a double strike, killing the ‘traitor’ and sending a message about security.

“SEVEN comments so far on this thread, and the day is young in the States…”

Try and keep up. I’m not the one disparaging others for commenting too much about Ukraine. No, that would be Buzz Mohawk doing that to me, even though, as I accurately pointed out, his FIVE comments were racked up earlier than mine. Check the timeline. So I’m not the hypocrite, here, I’m just providing evidence of who is. Really, does something that simple and obvious need to be expla… oh, wait, you’re a fanboy. Never mind.

“Lil’BB”? Can’t you even bother to come up with a nickname for Putin that works in English? I only get who you’re referring to based on the context and knowing Russians refer to Putin by the initials of his first name and patronymic “VV” and that the Cyrillic letter that looks like a B is pronounced as a V.

It’s worth noting that Stalin, one of the most brutal of the Russian/Soviet leaders, was an ethnic Georgian.

“You Zelensky fanboys have been riding his jock pretty hard. You’re also being dishonest when you act like the ‘troll propaganda’…”

Riding his jock? The fanboys sure do love their porn metaphors, I’ll give them that. Like the saying goes, you gotta write what you know — no matter what it reveals about you. And as much as they dislike being called “fanboys”, I’m getting the sense they can’t take being called “trolls” either. What a bunch of whiners.

And you’ll never guess who was the very first person on this thread (about goings on in Russia, in case you didn’t notice) to mention Zelensky. Why, that would be you, surprise-surprise, followed by another Putin fanboy in the comment right after you. I.e., if you’re angry about people obsessed with Zelensky, you guys should maybe take a look in the mirror.

And as for all that money Soros is tossing around to further Ukrainian support, it sure seems to have bypassed Unz-dot-com. The same cannot be said about Moscow trolls (and fellow travelers and useful idiots) who keep an active presence here. So much for your honesty.

Anybody who thinks Putin had anything to do with Prigozhin’s murder is a bigger idiot than I thought the average Stevist to be, which is not something easy to do.

This was obviously a Ukrainian intelligence operation

His plane went down after leaving Moscow and witnesses described explosions that are characteristic of a surface to air missile.

Putin has killed his own allies for simply being against the war but you believe that assuming he killed Prigozhin is the stupid position?

Why would the Ukrainians want to kill Prigozhin after he humiliated Putin? Why kill the thorn in the side of the dictator?

And you’ll never guess who was the very first person on this thread (about goings on in Russia, in case you didn’t notice) to mention Zelensky. Why, that would be you, surprise-surprise, followed by another Putin fanboy in the comment right after you. I.e., if you’re angry about people obsessed with Zelensky, you guys should maybe take a look in the mirror.

It’s a very bizarre phenomenon that we have observed in Putin defenders since the beginning of the war.

They seem obsessed with Zelensky and assume we idolize him like they do with Putin. They don’t seem to realize that they are usually the only ones talking about him. It’s a classic case of projection. They don’t get that we aren’t tribal alpha brained to Zelensky.

Even stranger is that they think Zelensky is keeping Ukraine in the war. As if the country would accept Russian rule without him.

Polls show that a strong majority of the Ukrainian public supports the war. Zelensky openly states that he defaults to his generals. Which means his replacement would continue the same policy.

MacGregor and Ritter are the same way. They will speak of Zelensky as if he is also a dictator and has a cult following. They seem to view this as a war of competing dictators. When MacGregor speaks of Zelensky it looks like a vein is going to pop out of his head. He can’t talk about the war without mentioning Zelensky. The will denigrate him as an actor but then speak of him as he if has Jewish spell powers. No mention that Putin has closer ties to Israel and in fact Israel again turned down a weapons request from Ukraine.

“It’s worth noting that Stalin, one of the most brutal of the Russian/Soviet leaders, was an ethnic Georgian.”

It isn’t really all that noteworthy. Some say the greatest Greek of them all was a Macedonian hillbilly. Herr Über-Deutsche was actually an Austrian. And the Frenchiest of Frenchmen was arguably a certain Corsican. That’s just how it goes. Some of the most hard-core white supremacists out there have a decidedly non-Aryan grandparent or grandma they’re all “So what?” about.

I have not read Prigogine first hand, but I understand his later alternative work in statistical physics was about irreversibility and “self-organisation”. And he tried to find some kind of general law governing them, something to do with nonlinear mathematics and chaos.

I can sympathize with making connections between dissipation and work and computation and everything (organization, self- or not). It seems kind of obvious there is dissipation in everything. But why try to recover dissipation, which is associated with computation and measurement, which is to say particular and freely varying things, from a general law, why not just let it be? Natural laws are reversible (they act on everything the same and make no distinctions) so far as we know them. Chaos in mathematical physics (chaos in nature is another thing) is an artifact of classical theories.

Prigožin, may he retire in peace. He was one of the loudest and most visible characters in our time. A very big shot in the ball mill that is Russia. He at the very least had an appearance of being a zealous patriot and looking after the wellbeing of his men. He did not discriminate (well maybe against gays and trannies) and gave opportunities to men from all walks of life. Eloquence was not his strong suit but I’m sure he made up for that by being more truthful than the national average. It was a glorious way to go, still I think he deserved better. We never thought he was going to die of old age.

I’m focusing on the “presumed dead” part. I know there’s not much chance of the guy turning up with a bestseller survival story to parlay into a hit film starring… I don’t know, whatever trendy box office wunderkind that can kinda look like him with enough CG and prosthetics. It would do wonders for Wagner recruitment.

The average Sailer headline is better than the average NYTimes article.

NINE now…

Just a thought – the Frogs do have previous in that they blew up a Greenpeace ship which was monitoring French nuclear testing way back in the 1970s.

3 senior Wagner leaders have apparently gone. Certainly there’s a motive there…while Russia will miss these guys. Not a great PR week for Russia, although Saudis, Iran, Egypt and UAE joining BRICS is a biggie. Half the Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_de_documentation_ext%C3%A9rieure_et_de_contre-espionnage

One SDECE agent, Philippe L. Thyaud de Vosjolo, wrote in his 1970 memoir Lamia: “Dozens of assassinations were carried out. Besides the use of guns or knives, more sophisticated methods had been perfected. Carbon dioxide guns ejecting small syringes had been purchased in the United States-but the SDECE people substituted the tranquilizing drug with a lethal poison. The victim showed all the symptoms of having suffered a heart attack”. Besides for members of the FLN, the SDECE killed left-wing French intellectuals who supported the FLN, arms dealers and other anti-French nationalists in Africa. The SDECE also engaged in hijacking six ships bound for Algeria with arms for the FLN between 1956–61, and blew up one ship packed with weapons for the FLN in Hamburg harbor with a naval mine.

Never realised SDECE supported Quebec seperatists, but it makes sense.

Now this is the reason why some people want to be President.

“On the night of 13 May 1978, Denard and 42 other mercenaries landed on Grande Comore, almost effortlessly annihilated the Comorian forces and by the morning the Comoros was theirs. President Soilih was high on marijuana and naked in his bed together with three nude teenage schoolgirls watching a pornographic film, when Denard kicked in the door to his room to inform him that he was no longer president and had Soilih taken out to be “shot while trying to escape”.”

They have form for inside Russia operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate-General_for_External_Security#2010s

“In 2014, DGSE in a joint operation with AIVD, had successfully infiltrated and planted hidden cameras in Cyber Operations Center under SVR in Russia”

The N-1 was a workable design, but they killed the program early, the designers expected early failures (same as Space X) a large no of engines can work, but you need to test the engines, the Soviets didn’t test all the engines, they build the engines in batches of 10, randomly picked one engine and test fired it, if that engine passed they assumed the other 9 were also good, if they stuck with it, it would have worked, some with SpaceX and their Starship

‘If Putin had offered me the E-jet and given me a good sniper rifle to practice with, I could have handled this with much less waste. But that’s Putin, “pointlesswasteovich” ought to be the guy’s middle name.’

Putin may have wanted to make a point. ‘If you try to do what dude did, I won’t surreptitiously try to poison you or something. I’ll just flat out kill you — and I won’t hide it. You can write pseudonymous posts on websites and live — you can’t do this.’

…Putin apparently felt it necessary to unequivocally assert who was boss man. As Porfirio Diaz once said: ‘Senor, to rule Mexico a man must be more than honest.’

Also on the plane was the #2 of wagner, so it’s a buy one get one free in terms of decapitations

And your point is what, exactly?

Paris is more African now than it was 50 years ago, when most US cities were already well on their way to being ruined by negro dysfunction. So you don’t seem to have a point, unless it is to applaud the negrofication of the West.

It says something about a country that speculations are, all of them, somehow naturally describing a gangster state.

Everything aside, American Putin’s supporters are first & foremost moral abominations.

Sic semper proditor.

Putin is on Putin’s side, just as he always has been. The name of the game is not winning in Ukraine (anymore) or conserving Russian lives (which it never was, other than Putin’s own) but keeping himself and his cronies in power.

Prigozhin and Wagner challenged that so they had to go, even though they were in some respects valuable. Their value did not outweigh their danger. They had already been withdrawn from Ukraine so it will have no impact on that war. Presumably the Russian Army and the oligarchs will try to roll up what remains of Wagner in Belarus, Syria and Africa and bring them under their control. The Wagner leaders who are not dead (apparently there was a 2nd Wagner plane and according to rumor those on it were arrested when they landed) will be given the choice of swearing loyalty to Putin or unspecified consequences, keeping in mind the “assurances that Prigozhin himself had supposedly received.

The best source for understanding all of this is watching The Godfather movies. If you think of Putin as the head of a powerful crime family, it all makes sense.

ID is behind the 8 ball in denying YESTERDAY’S RUSSIAN ATROCITY. The really smart Rushists deny TOMORROW’S RUSSIAN ATROCITY in advance. “Russia had nothing to do with the kindergarten bombing that will happen tomorrow in Odessa. That was a Ukrainian false flag operation to make Russia look bad. ” Normally they wait until 5 minutes after the atrocity to deny it, whatever it is, but the smart move is to deny it in advance so you can be the first.

Does Putin or Russia EVER do anything bad or it is ALWAYS a Ukrainian/NATO/US false flag operation?

Putin came out with a statement and he said:

And indeed, if they were there, the initial data seems to indicate that Wagner employees were also there, I would like to note that these are people who have made a significant contribution to our common cause of fighting the neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine.

One of the guys who died was Utkin (AKA “Wagner” himself, because he admired the Nazi’s favorite composer) who had neo-Nazi tattoos.

https://romea.cz/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fromea.cz%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F02%2Futkin.jpg&w=640&q=75

https://romea.cz/en/world/the-times-putin-has-sent-mercenaries-to-kyiv-led-by-an-admirer-of-the-nazis-to-murder-zelenskyy-and-the-klitschko-brothers

So who are the Nazis here?

At what point does “I don’t care about this war one way or the other” or “all I want is for the shooting to stop” become a thinly disguised version of “I really want Russia to win”? It’s like the NY Times reporters who claim to be doing objective journalism but it’s obvious to anyone who is not a fool that they badly want Biden to be re-elected. Who do any of these guys think they are fooling with their false protestations of neutrality?

I’d rather be indicted than murdered. So count me on Team Democracy, I guess.

Would you rather live in a cage for all of the days of your dotage, or expire in an instant by way of an explosion and probably without any conscious understanding of the fact of your death?

At what point does “I don’t care about this war one way or the other” or “all I want is for the shooting to stop” become a thinly disguised version of “I really want Russia to win”? It’s like the NY Times reporters who claim to be doing objective journalism but it’s obvious to anyone who is not a fool that they badly want Biden to be re-elected. Who do any of these guys think they are fooling with their false protestations of neutrality?

I want the people in and around my own Nation who made this conflict an American one at the heart of all political discussion to lose and to be discredited and humiliated. I want the inordinate and unjustifiable risk of a direct conflict between the U.S. and Russia ended. I want the increased risk of a nuclear exchange ended.

If that means Putin succeeds to some degree and makes gains in the former Ukraine then I can accept this circumstance. All the more if the result is a more stable geopolitical reality in Eastern Europe which halts provocative NATO expansion Eastward. Those people, nominally “Americans” are much more my enemy than Vladimir Putin or any Russian. The past years have made that fact plain.

I don’t believe I need to fool you for any purpose. What is happening is simply not in the interest of the United States and I feel very comfortable saying so unequivocally.

At what point does “I don’t care about this war one way or the other” or “all I want is for the shooting to stop” become a thinly disguised version of “I really want Russia to win”?

It doesn’t, other than in your fevered mind. Not everyone shares your obsessions.

Who do any of these guys think they are fooling with their false protestations of neutrality?

More of your mind-reading. I can’t for the life of me understand why so many other commenters call you dishonest.

The last 15 or so comments on this thread are hilarious. Starting around 142 we get comments from: HA (Foreign Jack), Peter A (Slavic Jack), Slavic Jack, Foreign Jack, Foreign Jack, poor Frau Katze, Foreign Jack, John Johnson (Goyish Jack), Goyish Jack, Foreign Jack, Goyish Jack, then three in a row from Joo-ish Jack. Complete with them thanking each other and calling people “Rushists” and “Putinists” and “fanboys” and then Johann “German Jack” Ricke, whose comment history consists mostly of agreeing with Jack, agreeing with Jack. You guys should start a band or something.

Agree: Johann Ricke

Does Putin or Russia EVER do anything bad or it is ALWAYS a Ukrainian/NATO/US false flag operation?

He very well may do bad things but he doesn’t do them to me.

The idea that the American government can boast about killing Russians through a proxy and that this will have no future costs to the United States is simply ludicrous.

Perhaps if these people wanted everyone to give Putin the Hitler treatment they shouldn’t have fabricated an immense hoax within which roughly half the country was identified as Russian collaborators?

I don’t know why you talk so much about Russians. Croats are basically Catholic Turks and Gypsies who are best known for torturing and slaughtering elderly civilians:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/croats-slaughter-elderly-by-the-dozen-1600351.html

Why the hell did Yevgeny Prigozhin go back to Russia? If I was Prigozhin, I would’ve stayed in Belarus.

Because he is the same reckless person that:
1. Was rich but chose to be a war general in a hot zone
2. Tried making a deal with the Ukrainians that would kill Rusians
3. Defied the Kremlin’s orders and may have tried instigating a coup

The fact that he went to Belarus was nuts. He should have taken his gold to Argentina and setup a lair.

We will probably never know what made him tick. A Batman type nemesis that expects to go down in flames.

That second photo is some nasty looking poutine. Those aren’t cheese curds and the gravy is cold. The fries look like they’re battered too. Three failures out of three ingredients.

Good lobster poutine is much better but it’s a dish you have to split with someone else; too heavy otherwise.

ID is behind the 8 ball in denying YESTERDAY’S RUSSIAN ATROCITY. The really smart Rushists deny TOMORROW’S RUSSIAN ATROCITY in advance.

That’s actually a really good point. Can the Putin defenders here agree that the next 5 atrocities will not be caused by Putin? Why or why not?

Does Putin or Russia EVER do anything bad or it is ALWAYS a Ukrainian/NATO/US false flag operation?

Why would Ukraine/CIA/Shadow Jews conspire to take out Prigozhin after his armed rebellion? It doesn’t make any sense.

Originally they told us that Putin was playing 5d chess and Prighozhin’s threats were all part of a ruse. Both Ritter and Moon of Alabama maintained that position. In fact MoA even mocked any suggestion that Prigozhin could be a threat.

Now they are trying to believe that Putin didn’t murder him because…….revenge would be out of character for him? The describe his war as revenge against the West.

Normally they wait until 5 minutes after the atrocity to deny it, whatever it is, but the smart move is to deny it in advance so you can be the first.

It seems to me that a scripted bot could post for them:

Clearly the (undesirable_event) was caused by (randomize:CIA/US/JEWs/NATO) and anyone who says otherwise is a (randomize:Idiot/Informant/Jew/Nazi). I heard recently on (randomize:MacGregor/Ritter/Tucker) that Ukraine will lose in (randomize(24 hours/2 weeks/1 month). I’m not one of those MSM bots like you. I have my own thoughts on (undesirable_event) thank you very much.

Ah, the “No Vietcong ever called me a N*gger” argument.

First of all, you, unlike some folks here, actually admit that Putin does bad things. The ink wasn’t even dry on the headlines before some people here started saying that it was a US or Ukrainian operation or maybe it didn’t even happen or whatever. Anything but what it appeared to be on its face, which was that Putin was taking revenge on his enemies as he often does.

2nd, when someone is a bad man, that he hasn’t done anything to you YET doesn’t mean that he might not get around to it eventually. If you wait until he gets around to you, you have waited too long.

Probably Ali was right that the Vietnamese Communists mostly just wanted hegemony over all of Vietnam and were not coming for Honolulu or even Tokyo. However, Putin has not disguised the fact that he wants to preside over “Russian World” and that he take a broad view of where Russian World begins and ends.

In his fondest dreams, Russia will again sit at the table as a co-equal of the US in the game of global dominance. This might sound a little nutsy given the current day reality of Russia where they have to depend on Iran for drones but if a genie gave Putin 3 wishes this would be one of them. If he doesn’t achieve it in his lifetime, it won’t be for lack of trying. If he can’t have the full meal he will at least snatch as many bits and pieces as he can manage.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1694835210343334238?s=20

How low can you fall from the state of mind that adored Paris, created magnificent works in sonnet, ballet, novel, symphony …. to hang around with Iran, China and India (and contemporary South Africa)- with whom you have nothing in common.

BK, are you under the impression that Paris today is the Paris of Proust & Debussy?

When was the last time anybody in Western Europe or the USA wrote a genuinely great ballet, novel or symphony?

Well, OK, there’s Stravinsky’s Orfeo, there’s Nabokov’s Lolita, there’s Shostakovich’s 15th…

Uh-oh…

“NINE now…”

Again, try not to be a dullard. If I were criticizing others for posting too much while dispensing nine comments of my own, you’d have something worth arguing about. But I didn’t do that, did I? I don’t have a problem with Buzz’s five comments. I do have a problem with him plugging five comments and then complaining in answer to my first about how I comment too much. So go harangue him.

“3 senior Wagner leaders have apparently gone. Certainly there’s a motive there…while Russia will miss these guys.”

I was assured by more than one fan of Lil’ BB that Prigozhin’s mutiny was actually an ingenious psy-op that would set-up Wagner so as to be able to attack Kyiv from Ukraine’s nearby border with Belorussia. Lil’ BB must never be under-appreciated!

But since that hasn’t played out according to plan, can we at least finally admit that Putin was an incompetent buffoon to let a bunch of mercenaries get as far as Voronezh in the first place? And why not arrest them then and there? I mean, did someone shoot down QAnon Shaman in a plane after Jan 6, or did they just arrest the guy, tell him to take off his Fred Flinstone hat, and get his contrite self into a courthouse at the duly appointed hour? You know, like actual functioning countries do?

And in speaking of “motive”, I take it you’re going to rev us up for one more rousing cheer of “cui bono?”, am I right? If so, you wouldn’t be the first. But the problem with yammering cui bono whenever one has trouble coming up with an original thought is that there’s an underlying assumption of competence, which is generally not how the world operates. I actually see people shoot themselves in the foot all the time on these threads. There’s no “bono” there — they just let a situation get way beyond whatever some competent person would have allowed. Which I’m thinking is what you and those like you need to acknowledge, if not about this crash (or assassination, if you insist), then about the mutiny that led up to the crash. Yes, I guess someone is slapping themselves on the back for skillfully slipping a bomb onto a plane or shooting the plane down with a well-aimed AA missile or somesuch, but no matter how many skilled somersaults the clown performs in order to put out the fire emanating from his backside, it’s still a clown show whose plot line is one of ridiculous incompetence.

But I guess an admission like that is asking for too much. No, I’m anticipating assurances that much like poor Gunga Din, squattin’ on the coals, and givin’ drink to poor damned souls far from the living Gawd that made ‘im, Prigozhin will continue to do what he was doing earlier, but having graduated beyond recruiting prisoners, he’ll now be conscripting the demons of hell to fight for his boss in what he’ll argue is an easy transition, at which point the “gloves will finally come off”, as Macgregor puts it, and we’ll finally get that much-anticipated pincer movement that shoves the Ukrainians into a cauldron (and hey, the demons of hell know all about cauldrons).

I.e. this is all just another brilliant psy-op just like that earlier mutiny was, and Putin, I’ll be assured yet again, is the ever-competent genius he always was.

But it’s not “happening on the other side of the world”, it originated here. It’s being propagandized here, funded from here, and it’s distorting our politics here. It’s happening because people in our government think it serves our national interests (or other interests). That Ukrainians and Russians are doing all the dying just makes it more criminal.
It’s not a distraction, it’s another grand criminal enterprise.

“HA (Foreign Jack), Peter A (Slavic Jack), Slavic Jack, Foreign Jack, Foreign Jack, poor Frau Katze, Foreign Jack, John Johnson (Goyish Jack), Goyish Jack, Foreign Jack, Goyish Jack, then three in a row from Joo-ish Jack.”

Oh, OK, I get it. You don’t want Putin to win. You just want Jack (and Jack and Jack and Jack) to lose, even if that means letting Putin win. You’re not obsessed with Putin at all — you just really need to be seeking professional help for your manic I-see-him-everywhere obsession with Jack.

Just for you, I stuck “anti-obsession medication” into Google MD, and it says your doctor might at some point suggest Anafranil or Prozac. Consider that a heads-up.

…or walk into a poisoned umbrella.

Alexander Mercouris made several good points in his most recent video. He asked why Putin would carry out this killing in Russia and in such a spectacular way, rather than do it while the Wagner team was in Africa the day before. Mercouris also pointed out that Prigozhin was killed right in the middle of the BRICS conference. Why would Putin want to do that?

Your little feelings get upset when the Fanboy accusation is turned back on you. The truth is you guys have some weird ethnic hatred going on and you’re getting hundreds of thousands of people killed. You are all mentally unstable.

You had the same style of argument with Covid. You went into hysterical personal attacks. You have a thin veneer of lawyerly dramatics without engaging the topic like a grown man.

This explains a lot. White carpet and white leather. That’s just asking for trouble right there. Spill one glass of Cabernet and the whole plane is ruined. A disaster waiting to happen.

I like your confidence in asserting that you know who was on the plane.

Why do you put “racial” identity in quotes? You don’t think race is real?

“HA (Foreign Jack), Peter A (Slavic Jack), Slavic Jack, Foreign Jack, Foreign Jack, poor Frau Katze, Foreign Jack, John Johnson (Goyish Jack), Goyish Jack, Foreign Jack, Goyish Jack, then three in a row from Joo-ish Jack.”

Also note the anomalous “poor FRAU KATZE”. I.e. as obsessed as he is with outsider and “Foreign” Jacks, and really any Jacks at all, he somehow failed to notice that he wound up favoring and empathizing someone whose name is explicitly foreign. It’s like the last few lines of some rightfully forgotten O. Henry story that an editor trashcanned because it was too obviously fictional.

‼️🇷🇺The Prigozhin plane case update:

1) The explosive device was placed in the chassis compartment, where the explosion in the sky occurred – this is one of the versions.

As a result, the wing broke off, hitting the stabilizer, which caused the business jet to gain altitude… pic.twitter.com/ISJeTuWGa6

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) August 24, 2023

I don’t have a problem with Buzz’s five comments. I do have a problem with him plugging five comments and then complaining in answer to my first about how I comment too much.

Well, I think now you and some others have demonstrated once again what I was referring to. I’ve lost count of how many comments you and your fellows here have made here now about this.

My point was not about what you and others had written in this thread at that point. No, it was obviously about your, and their, whole history here on this blog of fervent comments arguing for American support of the Ukraine/Russia war.

Now you have proven my point. Not only that, but we get Jack D deceptively trying to put me and anyone like-minded into a false dichotomy of either supporting your war or supporting Putin!

This is ridiculous, and other commenters here have made it clear that they too can see the same things I see coming from you and your buddies here.

Lol two more comments from Hysterical Ass. Btw, I’m laughing at you, not with you.

Oh, OK, I get it. You don’t want Putin to win. You just want Jack (and Jack and Jack and Jack) to lose, even if that means letting Putin win.

Unlike you, I’m aware that neither of us have any say in whether Putin “wins” or not. Your desperate need to win the internet and have every commenter here agree with you is…certainly interesting, but your endless walls of text aren’t going to actually change anything. What could change things would be for you and Jack to stop blathering endlessly on here and go volunteer in the Ukraine. They are accepting volunteers.

Just for you, I stuck “anti-obsession medication” into Google MD,

Two uses of “obsession” by a guy with 14 (so far) comments on this thread. Pot meet kettle.

Consider that a heads-up.

Thanks Internet Toughie.

Agree: Jack D, HA, Johann Ricke

The Manx were making poutine a good century before the Canucks. It’s their national dish. But give a knockoff a French name, and it takes off.

Same thing happened with sudoku, which was invented in Indiana.

“No, it was obviously about your, and their, whole history here on this blog of fervent comments arguing for American support of the Ukraine/Russia war.”

So, here you are, having gotten as far as comment #200 or thereabouts, after what, six or seven comments of your own?, trying to tell us that everything you yourself have managed to invest in this thread is all red, white and yankee-doodle blue but anyone who goes beyond that — and who is NOT an enthusiastic fanboy (because for some strange reason, you have no problem whatsoever with them) — is acting so bizarrely that they warrant an interrogation.

You and your fellow fanboys (or useful idiots, as the case may be) might not see the comedy in all that. I do. I’ll say this much — your primary conception of being an American is that no real American could know the things this person knows, or care about that place over there — i.e. it is, at its core, an appeal to ignorance and provincialism (not to mention a pathetic lack of self-awareness). Spare me. You and I obviously read the lessons of the history of the last century very differently. I’m not interested in repeating any of that. You are content to remain “indifferent”.

And by the way, why is it the most die-hard Americans who demand the rest of us to be as ignorant as they are about the outside world, and to not “care so much”, always seem to boast of their foreign wives, be it from Romania or Georgia or wherever, or else mope about their thwarted hankering to scoot off to Beijing were it not for the fact that they don’t know Mandarin, or that their progeny needs more than tiger penis and rhino horn and the placebo effect to keep them functioning at optimum level — demonstrating to all of us that they are actually the ones who were “just visiting”).? Weird how with some people, it’s always ‘do as I say and not as I do’, hoping all the while that the rest of us won’t notice your hypocrisy. Sorry, Buzz, I ain’t having it. You had your chance to mind your own business and avoid “foreign entanglements” whether on your own, or vicariously through your spouse. As it is, in for a penny, in for a pound.

Bardon is just a romantic who refuses to see the West for what it is, and overidentifies with his idealized image of it despite the fact his people have never truly been accepted as part of it. Or maybe he’s such a Western fanboy because of it, now that I think about it.

Paris, sadly, is truly disgusting.

“but your endless walls of text aren’t going to actually change anything.”

When you devote a proportional amount of your obsessing to quelling all the commentary from the fanboys as you do to mine, get back to me.

Until then, reflect on the fact that you hectoring me won’t change anything what I write either, and evidently, that’s still not enough to shut YOU up. No, you still gotta have your chance to spew. So much for your objections to pointless commentary that leads nowhere. Seems to me you’re pretty fine with it, after all.

“Two uses of “obsession” by a guy with 14 (so far) comments on this thread. Pot meet kettle.”

As opposed to the implicit notion that seeing 11, count ’em 11, emanations of Jack is perfectly sane and healthy? Also note that a significant portion of my comments happen only because people — like you, for example — feel they need to reply to what I say. I have no problem with that, but I might just want a chance to return the favor. If you want me to write less, maybe give your own keyboard a rest next time you want to respond to me.

The responsibility for those 14 comments is shared among all those who kept the discussion going. Whereas seeing 11 versions of Jack? That’s pretty much all on you. Womp womp.

At this point I have more respect for those who make an amoral, imperial argument on behalf of our involvement than those who make the moral argument or simply take cover in Putin’s demonization.
Except the former don’t exist, at least not publicly.
And the argument is there. The people behind this probably think they’re forestalling a painful decline that is inevitable if we don’t weaken China by fracturing the natural advantage of the Eurasian land mass, soon to be dominated economically by China.
Where are these people? When is someone going to grab me by the collar and say “listen Dennis, you want your grandchildren to starve speaking Chinese?! You better sprout a pair right now a get with the program!”

Not that it would change my mind but it would, perversely, restore a small measure of my faith in humanity.

Yevgeny,we hardly knew ye.

So, here you are, having gotten as far as comment #200 or thereabouts, after what, six or seven comments of your own?

Well, let’s see.. I know I’m wasting my time here with you, but of my total of seven comments before this one:

Two were short jokes having nothing serious to do with the subject matter, expressing no opinions at all.

So were already down to five…

Another one was simply the word “Agree,” a redundant attempt to agree with someone else’s comment when the “Agree” button that I clicked didn’t show up on my end here until later.

Unless somebody counts that as a comment, we are now down to four…

Still another was mostly a human observation, a remark about Prigozhin stupidly flying in a small jet, and a description of why I think guys like him and Putin are not so special and that they make mistakes like everybody else. Only the last line counts as commentary on concerns such as yours, where I write, “And this is none of our business.”

Even my first comment was one-third joke, then one-third observation that nothing has changed in Russia, that Putin does indeed murder his enemies (and you should agree with that!) Only the last third states my consistent opinion that we do not belong there.

My one and only comment to you before you went nuts on me was mostly a description of why I agree with you that the Soviet Union had a lousy moon program. It was there that I asked a question that I have been asking for some time, “why is this war so important to you and some other people?” That is what lit your fire, which is still flaming.

My last comment was simply a reply to your disingenuous claim that I am a hypocrite.

This comment is too.

You are an intelligent person, so I can only surmise that you are being deceptive for the purpose of winning an argument only you want to have.

As for my “foreign wife,” she was an American citizen teaching mathematics in Connecticut when I met her. She is more Yankee Doodle than I am. If you think I’m bad, you should try your stinking arguments on her. She lived the tragedy of Eastern Europe, and she agrees with me that it is America that brought about this latest tragedy by meddling in Ukraine.

Oh, and you’re right. You and I don’t see things the same way. If I could change history, the United States would have stayed out of both world wars and every war since and let the chips fall. That’s not provincial; that’s isolationist, and I mean it.

Try and keep up. I’m not the one disparaging others for commenting too much about Ukraine. No, that would be Buzz Mohawk doing that to me, even though, as I accurately pointed out, his FIVE comments were racked up earlier than mine. Check the timeline. So I’m not the hypocrite, here, I’m just providing evidence of who is. Really, does something that simple and obvious need to be expla… oh, wait, you’re a fanboy. Never mind.

My theory. The whole Ukrainian/Russian conflict is a sideshow in the central titanic struggle of intellects on Steve Sailer’s comments threads. Keep posting boys. Remember, for every post that goes unchallenged the Ukrainian fascists/Russian Orcs advance five miles.

Prig-nose-in. Lukashenko’s account of how Yevgeny Prigozhin was talking ecstatically with every other word an obscenity in the negotiation with Lukashenko during the mutiny made clear, to me at least, that Prigozhin was coked out of his skull, as were his minions. After the bomb went off but before the plane crashed there would be time for one last toot.

Screw the war. I say we start monetizing our comments.

“Your little feelings get upset when the Fanboy accusation is turned back on you.”

My “little” feelings? And where do you get “upset”? a I’m just pointing out that as of 134 comments in, no one had bothered to even mention Zelensky until you yourself did. So your accusation makes no sense whatsoever outside the fiction you spin in your own head, as John Johnson elaborated.

And none of that is a “personal” attack, except the part about “little”, and you’re the one who pitched that. The crack about porn metaphors? Yeah, that was arguably personal, but you’re the one who chose to go there, and having done so, you don’t get to to lecture others on “engaging like a grown man” without being called out as the laughably hypocritical buffoon that you are. If you think that’s too personal, stop throwing so much of your personal baggage into your comments.

“My one and only comment to you before you went nuts on me…”

Man, what a little girl you’re turning out to be. It was five comments — own them. Why do you want to mansplain what is and isn’t a real comment? It’s beside the point.

Moreover, if you want to lessen the number of mine, you can just ignore me. Or don’t — I’m OK, either way. No hard feelings whatsoever, and I mean that sincerely; and I won’t try to dictate what you should and shouldn’t care about. That’s where we fundamentally differ.

That being said, if you continue to conspicuously fail to question any of the fanboys why they care so much, that’s your prerogative, too, but in that case I’m going to call you out on it because it vitiates your argument. Yeah, you can try to mansplain why all the off-topic updates on Ukraine and Putin from the fanboys are a-OK, while mine are totally beyond the pale, but I don’t think anyone is gong to be swayed by that, either.

Mercouris’ voice is annoying but he makes a lot of good points. Why would Putin kill Prigozhin this way and right in the middle of the BRICS summit?

He and Christoforou also point out how often these “Putin is a madman” events are timed to cast a shadow on a scheduled public relations win: the Russians hosting the FIFA World Cup, the Sochi Olympics, the BRICS expansion summit.

And given that one was issued, why would anyone suspect that he might actually still be out there somewhere as we speak, munching down some sashlik that he paid for with a blood diamond or two?

That’s some pricey artisan shashlik there! I would have thought 100 rubles would cover it.

Hello HA,
You seem very emotionally invested in war.
You and Jack D have to step up and volunteer to fight for ukraine.
If you’re old and infirm please send your children in your stead.

Well even the Septics are saying it wasn’t a missile, so there go Jack’s “launch pictures”. Could be lying of course.

A bomb leaves the field wide open again, with the Russian Government imho the least likely suspects.

Apparently the poor stewardess posted something about takeoff being delayed for “repairs” – was this planting time? Or the plane was apparently up for sale – some potential buyer with good footwork and a team on hand? Alternatively, what’s security like on the ground in Africa? You surely wouldn’t entrust it to locals.

Why would Putin kill Prigozhin this way and right in the middle of the BRICS summit?

Putin had to make this a spectacular public execution in order to put his fingerprints on it, so that his enemies would know to fear him. This is the same reason that Russia uses exotic poisons that are uniquely Russian such as Polonium and Novichok. If Prigozhin had a “heart attack” while visiting Mali it wouldn’t send the same unmistakable message.