A lady from Texas once remarked to me, “I can understand why they wanted someone from their group to be a national icon, but was King they best they could do?”

350+270=620. From this table

(https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/GREIQ.aspx%5D

GRE=620 –> 80 IQ, which for a black is so-so. But MLK was disadvantaged by the education system then compared to today, so that surely adds 15 points, yielding IQ 95. A bit dull but not noticeably deficient in white society, yet above average among negroes. An IQ slightly above average makes for successful politicians. Plus, he had a dream.

Anybody remember how GREs were scored 70 years ago?

Nope, but my offhand assumption is that they were more difficult.

However they were scored, these are unimpressive, in terms of where he falls in percentiles.

But then again, Hitler and Mussolini were probably not great test takers either, and MLK is part of that cohort of, you know, charismatic orators.

About what you’d expect.

Note that everyone and his pet dog weren’t heading off to grad school in 1951. Today, his percentile scores would probably ooze up a bit. So he’s more or less what you get from a casual read. A pretty average intellect (above average verbally) for the overall population, but much smarter than the typical black.

But whatever you want to say about Saint Martin, pretty sure his immigration policy–his own not his CPUSA handlers–would have been head and shoulders smarter and better than what Biden’s Beverly Hills High genius Jews have in store for us.

I thought the GRE was just a harder SAT with the same 2 sections – Verbal and Math (Quant). I’m pretty sure it’s like that now. Did it include additional subject tests in the past?

King must have been having a bad day when he took that test. Not that there aren’t successful political leaders who are below average in g, but King didn’t seem to be one of them.

There’s also the plagiarism stuff. In ordinary circumstances his doctorate would have been revoked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr._authorship_issues#Dissertation_and_other_academic_papers

Martin Luther King Jr.’s papers were donated by his wife Coretta Scott King to Stanford University’s King Papers Project. During the late 1980s, as the papers were being organized and catalogued, the staff of the project discovered that King’s doctoral dissertation at Boston University, titled A Comparison of the Conception of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Henry Nelson Wieman, included large sections from a dissertation written by another student (Jack Boozer) three years earlier at Boston University.[1][2]

As Clayborne Carson, director of the King Papers Project at Stanford University, has written, “instances of textual appropriation can be seen in his earliest extant writings as well as his dissertation. The pattern is also noticeable in his speeches and sermons throughout his career.”[3]

Boston University, where King received his Ph.D. in systematic theology, conducted an investigation that found he appropriated[3] and plagiarized major portions of his doctoral thesis from various other authors who wrote about the topic.[4][5]

According to civil rights historian Ralph Luker, who worked on the King Papers Project directing the research on King’s early life, King’s paper The Chief Characteristics and Doctrines of Mahayana Buddhism[6] was taken almost entirely from secondary sources.[7] He writes:

Moreover, the farther King went in his academic career, the more deeply ingrained the patterns of borrowing language without clear attribution became. Thus, the plagiarism in his dissertation seemed to be, by then, the product of his long established practice.[7]

The incident was first reported in the December 3, 1989, edition of the Sunday Telegraph by Frank Johnson, titled “Martin Luther King—Was He a Plagiarist?” The incident was then reported in U.S. in the November 9, 1990, edition of the Wall Street Journal, under the title of “To Their Dismay, King Scholars Find a Troubling Pattern”. Several other newspapers then followed with stories, including the Boston Globe and the New York Times. Although Carson believed King had acted unintentionally,[8] he also stated that King had been sufficiently well acquainted with academic principles and procedures to have understood the need for extensive footnotes, and he was at a loss to explain why King had not used them.[8]

Boston University decided not to revoke his doctorate, saying that although King acted improperly, his dissertation still “makes an intelligent contribution to scholarship.”[4] The committee also dismissed allegations that King plagiarized writings which he used to develop his organization and chapter headings.[4] However, a letter is now attached to King’s dissertation in the university library, noting that numerous passages were included without the appropriate quotations and citations of sources.[1][4][9][non-primary source needed][clarification needed]

Ralph Luker questioned whether King’s professors at the Crozer Theological Seminary held him to lower standards because he was a Black, citing as evidence the fact that King received lower marks (a C+ average) at the historically black Morehouse College than at Crozer, where he was a minority being graded mostly by white teachers and received an A− average.[7][10] Boston University has denied that King received any special treatment.

wasn’t his real name Michael King? how does the transcript show his fake name? unless he had it legally changed.

sorry, i won’t check wikipedia on this guy.

How is it he landed a Social Studies score so much lower than for Lit? Even in 1951 I’d expect the former to be easier to bluff through.

I remember I had a 101 degree fever which put me in the mood when I took the train up to Northwestern from the University of Chicago to take the Graduate Record Examination in philosophy in 1966. I got a perfect score but it was not 100, but rather 800. So things had changed by then. I thought the idea of a multiple choice test in philosophy was pretty darned funny. Hegel’s philosophy can be best described as a) dialectical materialism; etc., etc.

The percentiles are very unimpressive but a much smaller % took GRE then, so I’d expect an average GRE-taker’s IQ to be 120-124. This should make MLK’s IQ ~90. Slightly smarter than an average black. Which is what you’d expect anyway based on his writings, his life and his children’s lack of any visible accomplishments.

wasn’t his real name Michael King? how does the transcript show his fake name? unless he had it legally changed.

MLK Sr did.

So what? Under common law, you can change your name simply by usage. No court is necessary. Nor fee.

This particular point is trivial, and should be dropped. It’s like the one about Obama, who clearly has no belief in God, being a Mohammedan. It makes you look bad, not him.

Did MLK Jr commit rape? Now that is an important question!

MLK’s Pulitzer Prize
-winning biographer arguably knows more about him than anyone else in the world.

https://www.davidgarrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/DJGStandpoint2019.pdf

https://spectator.org/the-mlk-story-no-one-wanted-to-read/

Like his plagiarism, this was all swept under the rug.

I have no idea if the man could do figures, but if the GRE shows MLK was a verbal mediocrity it suggests there was something wrong with the GRE, at least in 1951.

I’m happy to discuss the good and bad sides of MLK and do find the hagiography surrounding him ridiculous. Unless your mom’s a virgin, none of us are perfect.

Having said that, Steve, I think you demean yourself by snickering about someone’s low standardized test scores. Didn’t think anyone over 22 did that…

If I’ve learned anything in life, it’s that there is a positive correlation between success in life and IQ, but its not all that high.

I thought the idea of a multiple choice test in philosophy was pretty darned funny.

Imagine the questions on Marxism:

Jane comes from a family of land-owning peasants, but has not expressed overtly counter-revolutionary views. Jane should be: a.) Appointed director of a state farm, b.) Sent to work in a factory, c.) Liquidated.

Lawyers are the best at talking out of all four sides of their mouth. By the way, when I was 13 in 1958 my mother took me to a church in the negro section of our rust belt town to hear Mahalia Jackson sing & MLK speak. He never showed so I got to hear Jackson sing all night which was pretty great. In retrospect, King probably got hung up with his special activities in a motel room somewhere. Then when I was 18 I went to hear King’s speech at the March on Washington. My biggest impression was not I Had a Dream. It was being ashamed by the bizarre voice of a guy named Bob Dylan when he sang William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll. As usual the negro singers were really good. I thought “this bodes ill for us white people.”

Agree. Not only did he not seem particularly dim, he’s one of the century’s greatest orators which isn’t as easy as it may look to those who haven’t tried.

If I’ve learned anything in life, it’s that there is a positive correlation between success in life and IQ, but its not all that high.

Yep. Intelligence helps up to a point, but it’s no substitute for tenacity, self-discipline, and diplomacy.

Steve, I think you demean yourself by snickering about someone’s low standardized test scores. Didn’t think anyone over 22 did that…

Agree with this too. Not a good look, on today of all days. I’m sure it’ll bring out the unreconstructed bigots among us though.

It’s actually an interesting story and a kind of appropriation. The dad visited Germany and toured locations significant to Martin Luther. He returned inspired and changed his name to Martin Luther. He persuaded his son (then in his mid-twenties) to do the same (thus “junior”).

It’s true that political commitment, moral courage, and spiritual strength are not necessarily correlated with high test scores. Moreover King did write well—“Letter from the Birmingham Jail” is not the work of an idiot.

Whether he was a stooge for the CPUSA is another question.

When I took it in the 1980s it had three scores IIRC. Verbal, Quant, and Analytical. I thank God for this test because while my college record was very good it wasn’t stellar enough by itself to get me into a top grad school. The director of my grad program made reference to my scores after I arrived there.

Something similar had happened to me earlier, with the SAT. My high school record was decent, but I really needed the SAT scores to get into a good college. I wish people would quit knocking them! Oh, what am I saying? That was 20 years ago. They’re history now.

his verbal aptitude score is in the second lowest quartile

I have to imagine that the pool of graduate students in 1950 — before the era of mass college attendance — was pretty elite. So being in the bottom of this group may not be that unimpressive.

King was obviously a very good wordsmith. His speeches and letters are classic and moving. But his gift was in being emotive, not logical. He was also a very good politician and administrator.

Maybe the lesson from King’s mediocre GREs is that character, focus, and hard work can be more important in most realms than having a high IQ. (And I know King had character issues with women).

Those are the qualities that blacks frankly need to succeed in light of their actual IQ scores. But instead, they’re told they are natural talents who are held back only by invisible “systemic racism.” The leftists are not doing blacks any favors in the long run with this wokeness philosophy

If you think MLK had an IQ under 100, and was not in the top sixth of US blacks, I do not think you have spent much time around those with IQ<100, or blacks in general.

No individual with an IQ below 115 is going to get a top quartile score in any subpart of the GRE.

I miss the very interesting button here. And oh – thanks SND.

Ho shut the goddamn doe, I mad bizzy plagiarizin’ up in this byatch.

Negroes are unintelligent. Dog bites man.

I’ve heard that frequently and I think that it must be affected by what field you work in and therefore what the minimum level of smarts is in order to be in that field.
My career was in technology, and everyone I worked with was very intelligent and the more intelligent they were, pretty much the more successful they were. The correlation was practically linear. Perhaps it comes down a break point where above a certain level of intelligence almost everyone is highly disciplined, motivated and focused so raw intelligence correlates pretty closely with success. Something like Olympic running or weightlifting , everyone competing had to be very motivated and driven in order to get to that level so it comes down to the faster or stronger you are, the more you win.

Intelligence is overwhelmingly a genetic affair. (I should think readers of Steve Sailer’s works would know this fact.) “Disadvantaged by the education system” is a strange way to spell “had stupid parents.”

Wouldn’t be MLK Day without somebody reminding us of this.

Intelligence is overwhelmingly a genetic affair.

Ask Kaspar Hauser. It’s the blank slaters who are all the real fundamentalists.

So, as a plagiarist, Dr. King had a lot in common with Mr. Biden. Dr. Biden should be so proud!

Anybody remember how GREs were scored 70 years ago?

Translation: Can you guys Google this for me?

https://www.prepscholar.com/gre/blog/old-gre-to-new-gre-score-conversion-charts/

If you think MLK had an IQ under 100, and was not in the top sixth of US blacks, I do not think you have spent much time around those with IQ<100, or blacks in general.

I don’t think that and I request you take your non sequitors and go away.

I was fudging his GRE – IQ correlate score a bit higher due to environment and then suggesting an IQ of 95 is leadershiup potential among blacks. BTW, I used to teach blacks so I guess that shoots your “I do not think you …” theory in the foot, which is in your mouth at moment.

As expected – good, sometimes great in oratory. Otherwise, mediocre…

There‘s a clip of MLK unscripted on the Mike Douglas Show from 1967. He may not have been a genius but he comes across as a hell of a lot smarter than Mike Douglas. His pro peace position on the Vietnam war is laughably naive and unsophisticated, but he was still able to make a solid ethical argument about why Communism is bad. I would guess his IQ was in the 120 range. Certainly more eloquent and thoughtful than most of the white politicians we are stuck with today.

Peter, Paul and Mary sang Dylan’s “Blowing in the Wind” that day as they were in the Billboard top ten with their 45. Show business is a business. Of interest: the program started with a prayer and a ‘straight’ non-jazzy National Anthem and concluded with the Pledge of Allegiance and a prayer. Would republicans even do that now?

Off topic:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Sarah Fuller, the first woman to score in a Power Five conference football game, says she’s been invited to attend President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on Wednesday.

“It’s an honor to be invited to participate in one of America’s greatest traditions,” Fuller posted Sunday on social media.

“This historic inauguration is especially meaningful for American women and girls. The glass ceilings are breaking,” she added, including the Twitter handles for Vice President-elect Kamala Harris — who will become the first woman to hold that office — Biden, and their inaugural committee.

More proof that I’m most likely living in an iSteve computer simulation. If Althea Bernstein is at the inauguration then I’ll know for sure.

I’m willing to wager the mass of goofy negroes and their quasi-commie white counterparts beating up on the police on NYC’s Brooklyn bridge scored far lower. At this point, with DeBlasio so at odds with supporting the police, why do they even bother to do more than direct the crowds? Wading into this morass while second guessing themselves is an excellent way to get police officers killed.

You’re an idiot. How could Dr. King be a plaguerist? Corona-19 hadn’t even been invited.

I’m sure it’ll bring out the unreconstructed bigots among us though.

Your wife’s son wants his PlayStation back, and he said you should get off the internet.

I took the GRE in 1958. The test was in 2 parts: verbal and mathematical. AFAIK, a perfect score in each part was 800. I got a perfect score in the verbal part. In the mathematical part, I did fairly well. I don’t remember that score number.

Yes, my parents were jewish. But I didn’t kill Him.

zsa zsa makes a fetching nah-zi.

I got a perfect score in the verbal part. In the mathematical part, I did fairly well.

Me too. I’m not Jewish.

He still got the phd. and will be called “doctor ” until Gabriel blows his trumpet.

Did she say “kacadoodle do” ?

He scored 470 in literature.

“I would guess his IQ was in the 120 range.”

Peter, that seems an entirely reasonable guess based off Dr.Kings GRE scores, for his time. King certainly made use of his sufficient intellect and great public demeanor. The real debate is over what he ultimately accomplished.

“…Mike Douglas Show from 1967…”

Thanks for the info on the MD show interview:

Interesting tidbit, at least to me; both King and Obama felt they had to give up their White loves to maintain their “blackness”.

“In his third year at Crozer, King became romantically involved with the White daughter of an immigrant German woman who worked as a cook in the cafeteria. King planned to marry her, but friends advised against it, saying that an interracial marriage would provoke animosity from both blacks and whites. King tearfully told a friend that he could not endure his mother’s pain over the marriage and broke the relationship off six months later. He continued to have lingering feelings toward the woman he left; one friend was quoted as saying, “He never recovered.””

You have to have some information, and it has to be correct informatiom, to understand the questions. My experience with blacks in the south, rural or not, is an overall shortage of information and most of what they have is false.

The “analytical reasoning” section was genuinely interesting.

OK, so when do we get to know Barack’s score?

Yes, my parents were jewish. But I didn’t kill Him.

Whatever you may have thought, here – Him means Dr. King.

He had a dream alright: Where da white womenz at?

If he had changed his name to Fred, it would have been trivia. I think his choice of Martin Luther carried a bit more than trivial significance as it was meant to associate himself with a famous religious rabble rouser, thereby providing himself with unearned credibility and further manipulating his supporters and would be detractors.

Yes, I think success in life can be calculated as a weighted average of intelligence, motivation, self-discipline, and, depending on the field, leadership/people skills. In The Confidence Course, Walter Anderson uses an analogy to describe three factors that contribute to a person’s success or failure in life. The car is your genetics and native intelligence (a gleaming sports car, old jalopy, Toyota Corolla), the road you travel on is the environment you grow up in (rocky, full of potholes vs. a super highway), with the operation of the vehicle and navigation of the road (i.e., the driver) your free will.

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Obama would agree.

King finished school at 16 or so, when he entered Morehouse. It appears he was pushed along as many black kids are today, for being well mannered and moderately brighter than other black kids. It also didn’t hurt that his dad & mother’s dad were Morehouse graduates. To enter Morehouse he also had to pass their entrance exam which he did as a junior in HS

I’d like to hear more about all of your time spent with blacks. Is it mostly filing lawsuits for them after they slip and fall in a retail store?

Or is it watching them on TV?

At least King plagiarized, AFAIK, sensible comment. Biden plagiarized one of the most flatulent blow-hards in British politics.

Archibald Carey had a dream. King just had a good publicist.

Dylan didn’t perform the Hattie Carroll song at the march on DC. In fact, he didn’t even write it until just after the day of the march, which was the same day that Zantzinger (that’s how it’s spelled, BTW) was convicted of manslaughter.

Back in the 1980’s I became a big fan of Televangelist Jimmy Swaggart who, like King, was a preacher. Swaggart was big on alliteration and used that preacher’s cadence style of speaking too. Thus he could strut about the stage and denounce the Khomeini’s, the Khaddafy’s and the Castro’s with great effect.
It was mesmerizing and I once thought he might become President of the United States. He could also sing and play piano ( his cousin was Jerry Lee Lewis). Unfortunately for Swaggart he was actually caught, unlike MLK, in a motel room with a prostitute so even if he only spent $15 of his congregations money on his sin it destroyed him.

Don’t know how what Swaggart’s IQ was but you didn’t listen to him for the finer points on Christian theology it was his oratory and showmanship that put him on top of the evangelical ratings. My guess is Jerry Falwell was his intellectual superior as he created a substantial university from nothing and built a national organization The Moral Majority to advance his ideas.

So it was with MLK. High yellow Andrew Young was likely much smarter than King but he didn’t have the oratorical skills and charisma of King so he ran the Southern Christian Leadership Conference for King and probably wrote a few of Kings more celebrated speeches and letters.

King was below average in everything but ability to rattle off speeches that made sense to Liberals and were recognized by Leftists as serving all of their interests. King was an actor, and not a particularly bright actor. Approximately one-third of his dissertation is plagiarized, and most of the plagiarized passages are not paraphrases; they are direct quotes, or very nearly direct quotes, that King presents as his ideas, his assessments.

King plagiarized like an average intelligence 5th grade white boy.

King was picked by the Liberal white Elite to be the replacement for Booker T. Washington, who was truly intelligent and whose core was largely conservative. King was picked precisely because he was a vain puppet waiting to be promoted and because he was, even early on, easily blackmailed because he intended to copulate with every female he found attractive, including teenagers.

Very quickly King’s inner circle featured not merely avowed Socialists and well known fellow travelers of Marxists, but well known homosexuals, including a pederast or two (for example, see James Baldwin and Bayard Rustin).

Plus, he had a dream.

Correct. and it was specific. He and his posse picked Martin Luther, not Menno Simons, not Huldrych Zwingli, most certainly not Thomas More. They knew what the fruits of Luther were; they the body counts of The Peasants War and the 30 Years War. They knew that before Reformation settled down in the Germanies that most of the wealth that had existed at the dawn of the 15th century had changed hands forcibly, by way of revolution. Martin Luther inspired waves of revolution that slaughtered huge numbers of people and redistributed most wealth in Germanic lands.

They could have picked Henry VIII for a similar reason, but it would not have worked nearly as well.

if the GRE shows MLK was a verbal mediocrity it suggests there was something wrong with the GRE, at least in 1951.

Nah, it just doesn’t test his skill, oratory.

Plenty of people with high verbal on paper cannot do public speaking.

The high literature score shows he must have been fairly well read on whatever it tested. It really only makes sense to consider scores in the person’s area because the GRE math section includes test takers who are seeking graduate study in math and sciences. It would be pretty surprising to see high math from even smart humanities students just due to lack of exposure and practice.

Finally, the fact that King did do well on at least one section, literature, shows he wasn’t truly dim and could learn stuff he was interested in. Had he done poorly on every section, then it would look much worse.

His GRE scores indicate an IQ more likely to be 95, even 90. King was a parrot, and he was a natural actor.

an overall shortage of information and most of what they have is false.

We’ve improved upon that so much with the rise of social media. Now people have access to a virtual plethora of information and nearly all of it is false.

Even today, icons such as St George of Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Eric Garner are hardly shining exemplars of character.

Does Trump possess the oratorical brilliance that MLK exhibited?

How about the ability to put together subject, predicate, and object without stumbling and bumbling? Is Trump even in the same universe as was King?

King couldn’t shine Jackie Robinson’s shoes as a man.

But MLK was disadvantaged by the education system then compared to today

I can assure you that even for blacks — indeed, especially for blacks — the education system then was vastly superior to what is happening now.

They could have gone with Malcom X.

Here’s what Wikipedia claims was his means of escaping conscription for WW2:

Summoned by the local draft board for military service in World War II, he feigned mental disturbance by rambling and declaring: “I want to be sent down South. Organize them nigger soldiers … steal us some guns, and kill us [some] crackers”. He was declared “mentally disqualified for military service”.

Which is highly creative … in fact, utterly brilliant. Then again, there was this little detail, which most would assume is evidence of stupidity, though Joe Biden might consider it to be a sign of high intelligence:

In 1946, he was arrested while picking up a stolen watch he had left at a shop for repairs….

Hey, at least he had enough wit about him to go back and pick it up, unlike Hunter Biden.

Kamala would have offered to do that well before the end times.

I’ll bet she and her family did, though. Gott Sei Dank.

If Jean-Paul Sartre leaves Pleasantville at 9 AM, traveling at 45 miles per hour …

I had many a dream about the ladies in ABBA.

Not a good look, on today of all days. I’m sure it’ll bring out the unreconstructed bigots among us though.

Are non-bigots better people? Higher scorers, so to speak.

This is tit-for-tat: we’re hectored on other national holidays about how T. Jefferson started the slave trade; Columbus slaughtered billions of indigenes; G. Washington touched someone inappropriately. Now that trashing national icons is coin of the realm, MLK gets his turn.

His father, a street preacher, went by Daddy King until he rebranded under Martin Luther King. Apparently, he never got around to legally changing Michael’s name. I wonder if Michelle has..

“We read in Michael Hoffman’s Holiday for a Cheater:

The first public sermon that King ever gave, in 1947 at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, was plagiarized from a homily by Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick entitled “Life is What You Make It,” according to the testimony of King’s best friend of that time, Reverend Larry H. Williams. The first book that King wrote, Stride Toward Freedom, was plagiarized from numerous sources, all unattributed, according to documentation recently assembled by sympathetic King scholars Keith D. Miller, Ira G. Zepp, Jr., and David J. Garrow. And no less an authoritative source than the four senior editors of The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr. (an official publication of the Martin Luther King Center for Nonviolent Social Change, Inc., whose staff includes King’s widow Coretta), stated of King’s writings at both Boston University and Crozer Theological Seminary: “Judged retroactively by the standards of academic scholarship, [his writings] are tragically flawed by numerous instances of plagiarism…. Appropriated passages are particularly evident in his writings in his major field of graduate study, systematic theology.” King’s essay, “The Place of Reason and Experience in Finding God,” written at Crozer, pirated passages from the work of theologian Edgar S. Brightman, author of The Finding of God. Another of King’s theses, “Contemporary Continental Theology,” written shortly after he entered Boston University, was largely stolen from a book by Walter Marshall Horton. King’s doctoral dissertation, “A Comparison of the Conceptions of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Harry Nelson Wieman,” for which he was awarded a PhD in theology, contains more than fifty complete sentences plagiarized from the PhD dissertation of Dr. Jack Boozer, “The Place of Reason in Paul Tillich’s Concept of God.”

According to The Martin Luther King Papers, in King’s dissertation “only 49 per cent. of sentences in the section on Tillich contain five or more words that were King’s own….”!

“In The Journal of American History, June 1991, page 87, David J. Garrow, a leftist academic who is sympathetic to King, says that King’s wife, Coretta Scott King, who also served as his secretary, was an accomplice in his repeated cheating. Reading Garrow’s article, one is led to the inescapable conclusion that King cheated because he had chosen for himself a political role in which a PhD would be useful”

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Kevin-Strom-personal/Beast_as_Saint.html

The Beast As Saint: The Truth About “Martin Luther King” has the details:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation had for many years been aware of Stanley Levison’s Communist activities. It was Levison’s close association with King that brought about the initial FBI interest in King.

Lest you be tempted to believe the controlled media’s lie about “racists” in the FBI being out to “get” King, you should be aware that the man most responsible for the FBI’s probe of King was Assistant Director William C. Sullivan. Sullivan describes himself as a liberal, and says that initially “I was one hundred per cent. for King…because I saw him as an effective and badly needed leader for the Black people in their desire for civil rights.” The probe of King not only confirmed their suspicions about King’s Communist beliefs and associations, but it also revealed King to be a despicable hypocrite, an immoral degenerate, and a worthless charlatan.

According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to the surveillance files on King which are denied the American people, King had embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money contributed to the “civil rights” movement. King used SCLC funds to pay for liquor, and numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who were brought to his hotel rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex parties which sometimes lasted for several days. These types of activities were the norm for King’s speaking and organizing tours.

In fact, an outfit called the “National Civil Rights Museum” in Memphis, Tennessee, which is putting on display the two bedrooms from the Lorraine Motel where King stayed the night before he was shot, has declined to depict in any way the occupants of those rooms. That—according to exhibit designer Gerard Eisterhold—would be “close to blasphemy.” The reason? “Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.” spent his last night on Earth having sexual intercourse with two women at the motel and physically beating and abusing a third.

Sullivan also stated that King had alienated the affections of numerous married women. According to Sullivan, who in 30 years with the Bureau had seen everything there was to be seen of the seamy side of life, King was one of only seven people he had ever encountered who was such a total degenerate.

Noting the violence that almost invariably attended King’s supposedly “non-violent” marches, Sullivan’s probe revealed a very different King from the carefully crafted public image. King welcomed members of many different Black groups as members of his SCLC, many of them advocates and practitioners of violence. King’s only admonition on the subject was that they should embrace “tactical nonviolence.”

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Kevin-Strom-personal/Beast_as_Saint.html

None of us have a real solid idea about ALL of MLK’s children.

I’ve not seen any evidence that Obama dated any black women before Michelle. And I’m sure she’s aware of his fondness for Becky B*tches.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/photos-barack-obama-with-denmarks-pm-helle-thorning-schmidt-1280805.html

Tests are Mr Sailers kto? kogo?

If there’s a person he needs to praise (typically a Jew, always an anti-tax rich guy), he gets all “oooh, look at the end of the bell curve, who knew it could be so edgyyyyyy, so shaaaarp”.

If there’s a Trump or a Kushner, he manages to find something else to talk about. Absolutely anything will do. Did you know intelligence is multidimensional?

Completely unrelated, but a very cool use of photo-generative AI:

Photoreal Roman Emperor Project
https://voshart.medium.com/photoreal-roman-emperor-project-236be7f06c8f

I doubt that (((Joshua Rothman))) considers himself White.

In the 1980s an 800 verbal GRE was extremely rare — the 99th percentile began at 720. On the other hand, an 800 quantitative was common, a 92nd percentile score. This was before the big Chinese student invasion, but there were many Koreans.

Can’t say what the GRE was like in 1951 but I took it in 1977 and 2020, and it certainly changed between those two dates. It now has a couple of essay questions! And I “got” – I refuse to say I “earned” – a score in the 35th percentile on ’em. Wow, did I accidentally hit Ctrl-A and Ctrl-X just before transmitting what I wrote?

The propositions seemed uncontroversial, and my approach was to point out some obvious merits and demerits of pro and con, then come down on one side – expressed gently, as a mere preference, not a thunderous declaration – and of course keep it brief. And, perhaps fatally, toss in some spice. One of the propositions had to do with something like term limits, though it wasn’t phrased that way. I happened to mention how I’d learned the Portuguese adjective “lifetime,” in a Brazilian magazine story about the Italian senate, which does have some members-for-life. I said the tone of the article was at once envious and weary, and that a political system that elicited these two reactions may not be a good one. It was as if South Americans wanted but also feared that much power to repose with certain people.

I think I resisted the temptation to add how I learned the Spanish adjective for “lifetime,” which is almost identical. I’d seen it in an Ecuadorean newspaper, the sports pages actually, applied to the president of a local soccer club. Well, whatever I said, it was poorly received.

By the way, I used the same approach – and possibly with the same results – when I took the CASPer, also last year. This is an online personality evaluation that many medical schools and even some vet schools want. That test comprises short video scenarios where you are imagined to be an onlooker in a discussion, at the end of which you are asked what you would do. In my answers I sought to quote all sides – to prove that I had at least listened to them – then propose some course of action. Just don’t shrug! But if I sensed that waiting could be profitable – the situation might resolve on its own, or new information might soon come in – I suggested that.

So how did I do on the CASPer? I don’t know. It is made clear that you never find out your score. I wasn’t even sure that there was a numerical output, until one medical school said it needed the Z-score. Although I’d taken a fair amount of probability and statistics – and medical schools definitely expect you to have – I could not recall what a Z-score was. Well, it’s just the number of standard deviations away from the mean. So there is a mean. Huh.

Swaggart is still preaching in his 80s with his son and now his grandson. The Pentecostal movement puts more emphasis on the show than on the particulars of theology.

What an honor for Ms. Fuller to attend the first Hunger Games Inauguration!

Thanks to this thread, we’ve managed to narrow down MLK’s IQ range from 80-120.

I wish I could remember where I read the opinion that King’s ‘I Have A Dream’ speech was untypical of his normal fare, which was more verbose and ponderous. Are there other celebrated speeches on record?

You know that character attributes are also inherited right?

That’s impressive: the love child of Tiny Duck, Norm Crosby and Dr. Irwin Corey.

“unimpressive, in terms of where he falls in percentiles.” It is possible competition was better in 1951 than today. It is not clear to me how he scored superior in Literature but nothing else. But scoring high in literature should be good enough for liberal arts, like divinity school.

“Many people have questioned me about the wisdom of my path” – MLK

MLK: Beyond Vietnam – A Time to Break Silence

There is a hint on how scoring must have changed (been made easier) by the comment that King’s 470 literature score placed him in the TOP quartile. Today a 470 in literature places you in the BOTTOM quartile. (But a 470 in Chemistry with all that Asian male competition ahead of you puts you in the 3rd percentile.) The 75th percentile is equivalent to a 630 in literature today. So roughly speaking you should add 160 points to MLK’s scores to put them in 2020 terms. That translates to 510V, 430Q. 940 translates according to your table to 106 IQ, which would make him slightly above average for a white person but about 20 points above average for an African American. That sounds about right. Still for a person with a 106 IQ to undertake a PhD program is not easy – the pressure (combined with his general lack of personal ethics) must have lead MLK to plagiarism.

https://www.ets.org/s/gre/pdf/gre_guide.pdf

See Table 2B (or not 2B?)

Also note that according to Table 2A, nowadays 63% of the Literature test takers are women but only 23% of those taking the Physics test. M+F don’t add up to 100% in this table so there must be 2 or 3% “other”.

Now people have access to a virtual plethora of information and nearly all of it is false.

Yea, verily. The young woke (yokes?) are like blinded little sheep … armed with AR-15s.

Obviously he was suffering from Stereotype Threat.

What King’s scores demonstrate is the surprisingly large size of the gap between verbal fluency and verbal IQ.

In the real world, verbal fluency is a big deal, and not to be despised.

I suspect, though, that in most whites, there’s a tighter correlation between verbal fluency and verbal IQ. Or, perhaps more precisely, among blacks and whites there’s a decent correlation between the two, but only when restricted to their own race. That is, King may have had a high verbal IQ for blacks, but only for blacks, and this correlates with his high verbal fluency — high for both blacks and whites.

It’s g, but only g, which blacks seem to lack on average. In some larger sense, it’s probably whites who are the freaks of nature when it comes to g.

Well the converse of MLK are the supposed “Best and Brightest” who every year parachute from the “Elite” schools into Washington and Wall Street where they proceed to wreck businesses and entire economies, conjure up pathological social programs saturated with obvious unintended consequences and initiate and prosecute pointless Wars to Nowhere that cost the American taxpayers $Trillions.

If MLK with his low test scores had been in government now, would he have been leading the charge for the massive U.S. enabled train-wrecks in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Ukraine… that were conjured up by the Ivy League/Stanford Nitwits who Biden is recycling back into government?

There are various flavors of intelligence and also various flavors of stupidity that are not captured by test scores.

Yep. Intelligence helps up to a point, but it’s no substitute for tenacity, self-discipline, and diplomacy.

Like intelligence, I believe “ambition” has a strong genetic component as well. I know very smart people, PHD’s, medical doctors, engineers etc., determination yes but still missing that next level tenacity of an Elon Musk, Edison, Steve Job’s etc. Is that made or born? I think it’s always both but the narrative among mainstream conservatives and liberals tends to dismiss the genetic component.

His tone is like Hitler. He was was more of a Hitler for black people, a national socialist. I don’t think there was anything great about him. It’s a style and a tone, a rhythm that attracts and mesmerizes some preachers have that, blurting out anything and you think it sounds good, resonates deep in your soul yada yada blah blah this is how people are manipulated and propagandized. “I have a dream” shouted out is about all anyone knows of what he said. Wow! What an orator.

Plaguerist. Nice.

Took me about 2 minutes to find the GRE adopted the SAT type 500 mean 100SD, normed on college seniors, circa 1956.

You are correct that the old scale was drastically different. Despite being an 800 point scale, King’s score reports indicated scores were clustered a mean of about 415. 360 was a bottom 25% score while 470 was a top 25% score.

However, I found a source from 1949 on BU sophomores, who were mostly WWII vets and often well into their 20s, that said they averaged in the high 400s with an SD of 76:

https://core.ac.uk/reader/142045530

This idea that blacks have a high verbal fluency as a group is one of the biggest myths I’ve ever seen propagated. I work and have worked with countless negroes as I am a teamster (the one and only trade negroes have any representation to speak of) in Chicago and the surrounding area. For the most part, these people cannot get three words out of their mouths before an ear splitting “UHHHHH” or three is to be heard as they attempt to string a complete and coherent sentence together.

Worth mentioning is their total obliteration of the English language as it is, with their “dats, gibs, norfs, soufs, fidd’ns, dindus and nuffins” as well as dropping the last consonant from pretty much every word they speak.

Can some of them learn to speak well? Sure. A bear can also be taught to ride a bicycle.

And sorry negrophiliacs, rap doesn’t count.

Africans are also well known for their ability to learn and speak multiple languages fluently. A skill that Americans often confuse with high intelligence. In fact, some very high IQ aspergery people I know seem incapable of mastering even one foreign language, suggesting mimicry probably plays a significant role in language acquisition.

All this shows is how worthless standardized tests are

An aspiring black plaintiff once came into my office. He’d been fired from a $14/hr. job as a forklift driver in a large glass bottling plant. I asked him why he was fired, and he said, “they don’t like black people there.” Since it was a union job, he couldn’t sue in court, but I was intrigued so I called his union rep. The rep told me the guy had been warned twice not to smoke dope on his lunch hour. He got caught a third time, and the union didn’t feel it should risk its credibility in the grievance process for this guy. When he came in the next time, I asked him about the lunch hour dope smoking, and he said, “they let the white guys do it.”

Source: CSKC, INP, Coretta Scott King Collection, In Private Hands

I wonder why Coretta made the scores available.

And I wonder whether the embarrassing FBI stuff on the G.L.O.A.T. (= Greatest Lifeform Of All Time) will actually be released in 2027. When 2027 comes around, I would not be the least bit surprised if it’s announced that it was all destroyed at some point, maybe before now.

But 1951 was a long time ago when it comes to test scoring.

That’s what was funny about your “Anyone remember …?” question: “Oh yeah Steve, I’m 95-year-old guy who worked at ETS right out of college, and ….”

The leftists are not doing blacks any favors in the long run

Their purpose is to do themselves favours.

“Africans are also well known” – How we’ll is it know and by whom?

I suspect, though, that in most whites, there’s a tighter correlation between verbal fluency and verbal IQ. Or, perhaps more precisely, among blacks and whites there’s a decent correlation between the two, but only when restricted to their own race. That is, King may have had a high verbal IQ for blacks, but only for blacks, and this correlates with his high verbal fluency — high for both blacks and whites.

I think you are right on here. In my opinion, this is where a lot of the inability to accept racial IQ differences comes from. Blacks can simultaneously have high verbal fluency and average or even low IQ.

In every day interaction, many blacks can be articulate and socially adept. It isn’t until things become abstract or require multiple steps of reasoning that the gaps start showing.

It is very easy to see why upper and middle class whites who only interact with the most talented and verbally fluent blacks would assume equal intelligence with whites of similar verbal fluency. It is a heuristic we all use.

It can be hard to mentally reconcile that an 85 IQ black who is fluent and able to function independently has the same capability for abstraction as an 85 IQ white with obvious social and mental deficits.

it would not have worked nearly as well.

Yeah, Henry Tudor King VIII sounds childish.

What a special story. A German, white woman. Oh, Guess who almost came to dinner? What a shock it must be for the racist Nazi white people to hear such a tale. Must have dug at them down deep in their hillbilly cracka-ass souls. Wasn’t he a great plagiarizer, which is just a nice way of saying liar?
It almost reads like a made for tv story directed by Jussie Smollet.

Oh, give MLK Jr. a break on the test scores. I believe in HBD but much as everyone on the left likes to whine about oppression being responsible for test score gaps nowadays back in the 40s and 50s it was most certainly a factor.

Also, test scores aren’t everything. I mean, they’re correlated with success, but they aren’t the only factor by far. Also, public speaking and political activism requires an ability to connect with the people you are trying to organize–Mark Zuckerberg is brilliant but I don’t think even he believes he’s going to be president at this point. An IQ of 150 isn’t going to help you in politics unless you’re running to represent Silicon Valley.

Now, yeah, for technology the brighter the better. But that’s a field that attracts bright people, often with poor social skills, because the field is intellectually challenging and not terribly social. It’s not the same thing at all. Even athletes trying to play different sports often do poorly–look at Jordan’s awful baseball career. Bo Jackson was famous because he was so rare.

MLK Jr. was at the right point for what he wanted to do, and he did it quite well. Whether it was good for you (or me-I grew up afraid to go outside after sundown) is another factor entirely.

You want your kid to go around called ‘Menno’ or ‘Huldrych’? In 1930s America?

He probably thought ‘famous Christian’ and admired his standing against the authority of the day. Whether you’re Catholic or Protestant, among religious rebels, Martin Luther must be considered one of the foremost, perhaps topped only by that Jewish kid from Nazareth.

Muhammed Ali also had a very low IQ (from his Army entrance tests). I see from the comments that many wonder, “Why are such funny, engaging people and stirring orators so low in intelligence? Must be something wrong with IQ tests.”

I look at it the other way. Making stirring speeches – complete with a fake accent, alternating cadences and loud, booming outbursts at the right time – is not really a sign of intelligence. I wont even get into who wrote his speeches. Same with being a funny jokester who can rhyme and engage in amusing banter with interviewers.

Luther’s theology served as a pretext for the seizure of Church land by German Princes. Henry VIII seized the land himself, based on Protestant theology that had come to England’s shores and had begun to influence Anglicanism, which it did very early on.

“What chu talkin bout Willis”?
Aw, ain’t he so special?
No.

Stanley Levinson (I hope I have his name right) was responsible for King’s reputation for eloquence.

King seemed like a fellow who was pretty good at aping those he was around. Typically, those suffering from pathologies figure out they can get a long way socially and professionally by floating amongst their betters, and reflecting their behavior. “He acts rich, is around the rich, so he must be. He acts like an intellectual, is around intellectuals, so he must be.”

Surrounded by those who want the sociopath to be as presented, the false presentation becomes supercharged. That’s the social science that powers many of our American “gurus.”

Unfortunately, as pressures mount to for consistency, the sociopath tends to crack at the seams, and their basest of drives become embarrassingly apparent.

Oddly, like noted sociopath Jim Baker, even when exposed, their most devoted plebes refuse to acknowledge their leader’s treachery. The man had a congregation waiting for him when he left prison.

Note to aspiring sociopaths: Since you have no character, you will be wildly influenced by whom you hang out with. To maintain your bullshit for the long run, try to pick your associates wisely.

You’ll really know you’re in an iSteve computer simulation if Haven Monahan turns up among the protestors.

Stanley Levison was a brilliant speechwriter. He was King’s “Director of Communications,” so to speak.

Now, that’s interesting ….

Which is why he had to plagiarize his doctoral thesis.

Anybody remember how GREs were scored 70 years ago?

There were major changes to the scoring in 1952 (King took the test in 1951). The best reference I found was this 1977 guide.
https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED163085

I don’t see data for the earlier version, but because of the rescaling they did a standardization in 1952 and the results are summarized (mean/SD for each subtest) in Table 15 on page 33/41. I think the discussion in the text casts some light on things even if it does not give simple answers. See pages 32/40 to 33/41.

In short, before 1952 the scores were targeted for mean 500 and SD 100 for the group taking each test. After 1952 the advanced test scores were adjusted for the ability (measured by the verbal and quantitative tests) of the groups taking each subtest. Repeating your image to make it easier to discuss we see:

MLK’s scores in general were consistently dismal and reflective of a verbal tilt (no surprise there). Almost all of his scores were in the -1.5 to -2.3 SD range, but as you observed, the test taking population was probably considerably more able then (a full SD as a guess? More since we are talking about grad school and supposedly average college student IQ was around +1 SD then?).

The big outlier is his literature score. Which, if I am reading Table 15 correctly, is especially interesting. His 470 is near (-0.3 SD) the mean of a group which was significantly more verbally able (+0.6 SD) than the overall GRE taking population.

So he genuinely appears to have done well (all things considered) on the literature test. But I am not sure where they got “top quartile” from since if I understand things correctly that 470 places him below the mean of test takers and thus in the third (one up from the lowest) quartile.

Low-IQs obviously lead to some truly retarded accusations of racism, but what explains the mainstream media’s acceptance of such claims? From a current USA Today article:

Fabricated claims debunked by fact-checkers targeting victims of police brutality George Floyd, Jacob Blake and Breonna Taylor remain on Facebook, despite pledges by the social media giant to support the Black community, a new investigation from human rights group Avaaz found.
Insinuating racist stereotypes and tropes, the claims include that Floyd’s death under the knee of a white police officer was staged, that Blake raped a 14-year-old and that Taylor was shot in bed while she was asleep (she was awake).

So… the false narrative that was spread about Taylor being asleep in bed when she was shot was the work of white supremacists? Because black people being shot while they are sleeping at night is a racist trope? Like eating watermelon?

The writer is Jessica Guynn, a white woman who apparently has a black baby. Wokeness causes brain damage.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/01/19/facebook-racist-claims-george-floyd-breonna-taylor-jacob-blake/4184064001/

OT – from the Daily Beast – What America really needs is a CHEKA (by Jeff Stein):

Can U.S. Spy Agencies Stop White Terror?

https://archive.fo/ciwb7

He’s equating the Capitol riot of January 6th with 9/11, and breathlessly saying that the Trump rioters almost did what Al Quaeda couldn’t – “destroy the Capitol”. Do these people even read what they write. Do they know how hysterical and silly it sounds?

Maybe Jeff Stein had some ancestors who were chekists; it’ll always be chekists vs. whites for some people.

This is all very interesting.

Here we are, in a comment section heavily populated by +2, +3 SD people, ourselves mostly neither rare nor exceptional, and yet we are seriously discussing a famous public figure who was not just mediocre for the most part, but shockingly so. That mostly mediocre man now has a national holiday named after him, and people take it seriously. This really is clown world.

This posting of Steve’s is very, very revealing.

See my comment discussing his literature score. Not sure what is going on with the “top quartile” business. For reference, roughly speaking the quartile boundaries are -0.7, 0, and +0.7 SD.

Overall your rough and ready estimate of IQ 106 seems reasonable to me (perhaps a bit high). Notice that assuming they are still using the mean/SD of 500/100 scoring your adding 160 implies that today’s GRE test takers are -1.6 SD from those of 1951. That is roughly the difference between an average IQ of 100 and an IQ of 124. The latter seems plausible but high for 1951 GRE takers and the former seems too low for Current Year GRE takers. Which is why I think you might be overcorrecting a bit.

P.S. Putting numbers to the end of your first paragraph: assume black IQ mean/SD are 85/15 (which is another discussion, but we are talking rough estimates here). Based on that a 106 IQ would be +1.4 SD which is top 8.1% or just making the “Talented Tenth.” Which does indeed sound about right.

King must have been having a bad day when he took that test.

Maybe he was up all the night before the test, raging drunk, enjoying an orgy with his homies and bunch of hookers.

Seeing a lot of comments on here saying that King was an excellent writer, thus he must have been fairly bright. Many do not know that several if not most of King’s speeches were written by Stanley Levinson, member of the Communist Part in the US , who worked for the Soviet Union.

You’re right, AceDeuce. My memory failed me. It was actually Only a Pawn in Their Game that impressed me so.

More truth than I like in your comment, but it is worth observing that IQ is far from the only characteristic relevant to being an outstanding man (or woman). (I am sure you know this, but I think it is worth being explicit about it)

I think MLK’s example does make an argument that our test regime underrates blacks relative to their ability to make contributions in some areas.

The problem is that has been used to conclude that the tests underrate blacks in all areas with the consequent demolition of much of our meritiocratic system. Which is and will continue to become even more of a disaster in areas where competence actually does matter.

It is worth observing that the demolition of the meritocratic measures we had is a wonderful gift to “elites” with mediocre children. I do not think that is a coincidence.

Obviously Trump would have benefitted from having his own Stanley Levison, but he’s too narcissistic to admit he needs an English tutor.

Chicago youths have a dream — your SUV

According to Chicago police sources, there have been at least 120 carjackings in the city since the beginning of the year.

https://abc7chicago.com/carajcking-aurora-carjacking-chicago-naperville-il/9763756/

If only people judged us by our actions/character and not our skin color sounds like a pretty good line.
Okay, now let’s get rid of Affirmative Action, set asides and quotas and then we can be judged by our actions.
Black people in general have a low mental IQ but a high social IQ. This is why they are so good at shucking and jiving.

Out of the reformers and protestant theologians, Calvin was the most extreme revolutionary in the worldly and religious sense. A gnostic at heart.

OT – Biden’s choice for Assistant HHS Secretary: Mentally ill weirdo “Rachel” Levine, the Pennsylvania Health Secretary who presided over the mass death of the elderly in nursing homes (after removing his own mother from a nursing home).

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/biden-administration/biden-picks-pa-s-dr-levine-to-be-assistant-health-secretary-would-make-history-if-confirmed/2672647/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_PHBrand

Oratorical skill is one of the most over-rated abilities. Because it’s verbal, as an ability it seems to indicate intelligence in the speaker; but in fact it might be more like the ability to sing passionately: no mean feat, but not, on its own, evidence of general smarts, nor a recommendation for investing the singer with leadership responsibility.

The ability to sway the mass of people through speech is a great asset to a leader, and many great leaders of history have had it. For the great ones, it’s just one talent in the stack. But it’s a *visible* talent, and most people neither see nor appreciate the many invisible skills involved in high-level leadership; so they mistakenly conflate passionate oration with the speaker’s ability to lead. I too remember Swaggart (what a great name for preacher!), as well as fellow “great orators” of the day like Mario Cuomo and Jesse Jackson. All off them were noted for their potential Presidential timber–but in retrospect, can you imagine any of them in that role?

That’s the trouble with oratorical skill: it’s so effective at fooling the watcher (which is distinct from the listener) into thinking she’s witnessing something deep, when it’s really something shallow. Another trouble is that it fools the *speaker himself* into thinking he’s more than he is. Our current political culture is full of this type.

Interesting comment, Unit. Thanks.

So how did I do on the CASPer? I don’t know. It is made clear that you never find out your score. I wasn’t even sure that there was a numerical output, until one medical school said it needed the Z-score. Although I’d taken a fair amount of probability and statistics – and medical schools definitely expect you to have – I could not recall what a Z-score was. Well, it’s just the number of standard deviations away from the mean. So there is a mean. Huh.

So you decided to go to medical school after retirement? Talk about unternehmungslustig! Best of luck to you in your new career.

“OK, so when do we get to know Barack’s score?”

In about 70 years from now.

And you would know. You’re a Naturally Marinated Scholar.

You obviously have no familiarity with the preaching style of mid-20th century Southern Baptist preachers. Many, black and white, had a style like and equal to King’s.

You had me at “aspiring black plaintiff.” Thanks for the laughs.

Africans are also well known for their ability to learn and speak multiple languages fluently.

I’m not sure where you got this idea. Africans are not known for being fluent polyglots.

Caveat:

**CONCISE UPDATE (July 31st) replacing a July 27th CLARIFICATION: ‘TheApricity’, a tertiary source, has been removed entirely. I knew it to be unreliable prior to starting this project but kept here for posterity and debate. It is now clear to me they have distorted primary and secondary sources to push a pernicious white supremacist agenda.

https://voshart.medium.com/appearance-of-the-principate-pt-i-efa3c759d2b6

Gotta keep out dat “pernicuous white supreemaciss agenda” when you talkin bout princepz n sheeit

That’s nice, actually. Didn’t know that. – But oh – Luther is now nazi too. So – Martin LUTHER King should soon be on the index. shouldn’t it?

Thanks. An interesting project.

I thought the depiction of Augustus had something of Putin about him.

Fake name, fake degrees, fake speech, fake history.

It is worth observing that the demolition of the meritocratic measures we had is a wonderful gift to “elites” with mediocre children. I do not think that is a coincidence.

Paging Peter Turchin. Paging Peter “Excess production of elites” Turchin.

If we learn anything from history, pace’ Hegel, it that the decline of standards has many implications. Many implications.

“If you just act like you know what you’re doing,

Everybody thinks that you do.”

— Joe Walsh, “I’m Just Lucky That Way”
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and yet Steve, like Greg Cochran or Jared Taylor, simply refuses to say “it’s the Jews.”

what kind of witchcraft spell are you boomers under?

just say the words: it’s Jews.

MLK, civil rights, feminism, Hollywood, Wall Street, communism, the media…it’s just the Jews. that’s who is waging war on us.

thankfully no non-boomer on the alt-right is confused about this. what the boomer mental illness about this is i have no idea–were steve, jared, and greg subjected to cia brain-washing treatments or something?

I think MLK’s example does make an argument that our test regime underrates blacks relative to their ability to make contributions in some areas.

Considering his scores and the fact that his academic papers and speeches seem to have been significantly plagiarized and ghostwritten, his primary contribution appears to have been to be a figurehead and frontman for a movement largely constructed by various activists, lawyers, media figures, etc. behind the scenes.

So what? The black potential rises at times above the level which would have been expected from the IQ. Alright. Might have to do with rhythm and energy – and – – – – feeling (and all this melanin melatonin business we heard of lately….)? I never thought that Mississippi John Hurt was a rather bright guy – but he sure did write and perform a handful of great songs. If somebody told me, he had an IQ of 85, I wouldn’t even bother to doubt that. A bunch of his songs (Maxwell Coffee Blues) are still touchy as – – – hell…at the crossroads…

He wanted all government spending (= all White taxpayer dollars) to go to blacks.

So, he was a bloody imbecile.

You’d think the widow King would have gotten that federal judge to put that little fact under lock and key, too. If I had to choose between people learning that I had the IQ of an artichoke and that I was a rapist, I’d say, “Bury the GRE scores!”

Maybe there were just too many things for her to cover.

Evidence King had a high IQ:

1. He liked “reading dictionaries” as a child
2. Skipped the 9th grade
3. Went to HS at a university laboratory school. These tend to be a mix of professors’ children and local gifted students.
4. Started at Morehouse at age 15, graduated with a BA at 19.
5. Got a top 25% score in a GRE subtest in a pool normed from mostly white male college juniors and seniors at a time when senior college attendance was low.

There’s really no way King didn’t have a top 1% IQ for US blacks. That’s not smart enough to get a Ph.D. at BU without cheating or relaxation of normal standards, but it is still very intelligent. If I had to pick a number I’d say about 120-125.

His math GRE was very low, but it looks like he took it while he was a seminary student. So he likely took his required math classes at age 15-16 at Morehouse, then had no more math for 4-5 years at the time he took the GRE. The pool was normed on the more typical situation of college juniors and seniors who were actively taking math classes still because of STEM majors, or for the non STEM had finished their math requirement only 0.5-2 years prior. By the same token, King’s high Lit score overstated his ability since he studying the Bible and interpretation full time as a seminarian.

King plagiarized like an average intelligence 5th grade white boy.

An average intelligence 5th grade white boy wouldn’t plagiarize.

During the post war American occupation of West Germany it was not uncommon for black soldiers to marry German women. The army would relocate these couples to California where things, even at that time, were more liberal.

Try Infogalactic.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.

I was once assigned to defend a black murderer. He insisted he was innocent of the crime. I asked him why he was indicted, and he said, “They don’t like black people there.”

I was intrigued, so I called the prosecutor handling the case. The ADA told me the guy had been on probation for a rape, but kept on committing felonies. The judges just kept putting him back on probation, until he murdered this White girl.

When I brought this up with him, he said, “They let the white guys do it.”

I re-phrased your vignette (though without your wit), because it has a universal character, regarding blacks, and not just black shakedown artists. Black non-offenders talk like that all the time about black felons. “They let the white guys do it.”

I remember your comparison of the IQs of W and John Kerry, as deduced from their results in exams for would-be officers. Is there any way you can do an IQ comparison of Trump and Biden?

I suppose it’s made difficult by their both deciding to avoid the Vietnam War with remarkable excuses.

It’s my bone spurs, it’s my asthma. Such thumping crooks.

Hitler at least wrote his own speeches though. He didn’t need literal New York Communists to do his scripts for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Levison

When people praise the great Doctor King’s rhetoric, they are really praising the subversive genius of Stanley Levison. In fact, when one strips away the mythology, King is (ironically enough) pretty close in just about every way to the perfect Ku Klux Klan caricature of a “Civil Rights” leader: a saintly public image promoted by the media, in reality a fraud and sex-fiend, and a willing mouthpiece for pedigreed un-American interests.

On the big scale, intelligence is overwhelmingly environmental.

Like skin colour, it is determined by the environment if you consider long enough stretches of time.

I’m so disappointed to learn this. Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King had been my hero since I was a small child working as a share cropper in rural Alabama with no electricity. My family viewed Doctor King as a great intellectual and a man of towering morality.

Now I’m beginning to believe everything in America is built upon lies.

Well at least we’ve got Doctor Biden to inspire us.

Blonde with more chins than the Peking phone book? A black baby?

Yeah, I’d say so.

I forgot to mention that I took a benzedrine pill before taking the GRE which a student nurse girlfriend had given me a bottle of. I’m sure it helped raise my score.

If you watch any Trump interview on Youtube from the 70s & 80s you can see that he was articulate, sharp, and intelligent. The Trump we have experienced since his election in 2016 is in obvious cognitive decline. Trump’s decline is slightly worse than average for an individual in his age group IMO.

Trump’s father suffered from Alzheimer’s disease, and sadly I see the same fate awaiting the president.

I took the GRE’s twice. Once in 1969 and once in 1970 when I decided to change my graduate field of study from math. When I sat for them there were a Verbal and a Quantitative aptitude test and one optional achievement test in your major or the field you intended to study in graduate school.

There was an 800 cutoff on the SATs at that time so I was surprised to score 850 on the Verbal Aptitude. I thought there had been a mistake until a friend informed me that tests were supposedly normed with a mean score of 500 and an SD of 100. However, that can’t have been entirely correct as tables were provided to convert one’s GRE score to one’s percentile ranking compared with other test takers. Although getting a much higher score on my math achievement exam than my other achievement exam, I wound up at the 85th percentile on both.

Back then the ETS also provided tests of language capability that were a convenient way of testing out of grad school language requirements. My grad school required reading proficiency in two languages besides English so this was a big break for me.

Did Trump need Stanley Levinson to write his speeches?

Besides being a serial committer of sex crimes, King was also a serial plagiarist. Significant portions of his academic work, including his thesis, were plagiarized as were many portions of the better oratory which is usually attributed solely to King. To give the devil his due he was, like BO, both a talented public speaker and also adept at seeing and seizing the main chance. However, I’d attribute the latter talent to ruthless cunning rather than exceptional intelligence.

I’m not too thrilled that the only Federal holiday dedicated to an American hero is that of Martin Luther King with Lincoln and Washington mixmastered into a generic President’s Day.

OTOH, it cannot be denied that King was an exceptional man for his times, a pacifist following the example of Mahatma Gandhi in preaching non-violence and making witness to right a wrong, the evil system of segregation inflicted on black fellow-citizens. And he opposed the Vietnam War as well. And paid the price of dying for that cause. So he was a great cocksman – big deal. So he plagierized his Ph.D. dissertation – no biggie.

Low-IQs obviously lead to some truly retarded accusations of racism, but what explains the mainstream media’s acceptance of such claims? From a current USA Today article:

Even Malcolm X had their number nearly 60 years ago. But they had no problem ignoring him. Meaning, this kind of behavior has been going on for that long (obviously a lot longer, but you get the idea).

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8869214-the-white-liberal-is-the-worst-enemy-to-america-and

All in a days work for the hostile elite who operate out of The Dark Triad. But it also serves The KKK, The Ku Klux Karens and the rest of the goodwhites who use POCs to feed their addiction to mood-altering through self-righteousness.

This insanity isn’t going to stop itself. But it’s obviously more than happy to crush anything that stands in its way. Speaking of which, at this point. it’s kind of hard not to come to the conclusion that the human mind itself is literally insane.

We’re definitely in no position to laugh at the dinosaurs for getting themselves extinct. After all, they lasted a lot longer than we have so far.

Agree with this too. Not a good look, on today of all days. I’m sure it’ll bring out the unreconstructed bigots among us though.

It’s not petty snickering about test scores. MLK is promoted not just as a moral paragon, but also as an elite intellectual leader.

People are supposed to emulate and revere him because he was said to be morally, spiritually, and intellectually superior. Hence why his academic background is stressed, why he’s called “Dr.” MLK, etc.

As it turns out, he shouldn’t have been awarded his PhD because of extensive plagiarism. And it should have been revoked after the plagiarism was exposed, like anyone else’s would have been. Also his speeches which were taken to be signs of his intellectual superiority turn to have been ghostwritten and or plagiarized. And his test scores appear to have been mediocre at best.

SND, when my daughter applied to a NE university for a Doctorate In Psychology she had to interview with a board who asked her questions. Among the questions was “Who are the top three Psychologists in America?” She was befuddled? I told her she should have pointed to any three interviewers and said…”You and you and you.”

I agree. I took the GRE exam about 30 years ago, when I was about 40, and I scored a maximum 800 on the verbal section, but then you have to look at the fact that the test is primarily aimed at callow, inarticulate, unread, science-majoring 20-year-olds who are applying to graduate schools.

At the time that King took the test the test would have been normed against upper middle class whites, and he would have been raised through the segregated educational system, which would probably have been something similar to the educational system in Haiti today, where even the teachers don’t know very much.

At that time there would have been radio but television would have been very much in its infancy, and the Kings probably didn’t have a TV in their home. At the time a lot of blacks who were talented on their skills with musical instruments and many great virtuoso musicians like Sonny Rollins and Milt Jackson were roughly contemporaries of King.

But as others have said, he had a dream.

And just as a point of interes regarding the IQ of Kings, had he been a member of the British royal family he would have been regarded as exceptionally bright.

Agree, Mr. Hobbes.
There will be a flood, or a power failure (fires are out of fashion), or a successful lawsuit by the family ($) to block release.
If they are going to destroy it before now, they had better get a move on.
Where is Sandy Berger when you need him?

Henry, people bring this up because MLK has not been canonized but deified. Much like michelle o, of the 100 magazine covers, is drop dead gorgeous and her husband is the best POTUS of all time. Their actual acomplishments don’t match the platitudes.

Tha Kang!

I have been involved in many cases just like that…if plaintiff can assemble enough White Guys/Gals Who Skated (known in the trade as “comparators”) he will have a prima facie case, and mebbe a settlement.

Fake name, fake degrees, fake speech, fake history.

Reinvented himself.

Pretty much the American dream that he had then? Like Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Nat ‘King’ Cole, and Sun Ra who claimed he was born on another planet, even though his sister later claimed she saw his birth through a keyhole in Alabama.

Here is a tale I call The Story of the No. 3 Pencil:

I worked a couple years between undergraduate and graduate studies. Somewhere in the middle of that period I got around to attending to the GRE. I stopped by the local branch of the University of New Mexico, picked up a GRE booklet, and found I had missed the deadline for advance registration for the next exam. The closest exam site would be in Santa Fe, but since I would be a walk-in, I decided to test in Albuquerque to make sure a subject exam in engineering would be available. I called a friend in Rio Rancho about staying at her family’s home the night before, and she said that would be fine. Her mother was in the room with her as she was talking to me on the phone, so she was unable to tell me that she was putting together a surprise 25th anniversary party for her parents the night I was coming. When I arrived, the party was in full swing and was a lot of fun, but getting to sleep around midnight cut into the reason I had originally come, which was to get a couple more hours sleep than if I had made the 100-mile drive in the morning.

The next surprise came in the morning when I started filling in the testing bubble sheet. I had switched to No. 3 pencils three years before this, and had forgotten the instruction for those test sheets since elementary school to use only a No. 2 pencil. I wondered about seeing if I could borrow a No. 2 pencil from the test administrators, but decided to just go with what I had and find out later if it mattered.

It turned out that the crayon-like No. 2 pencil was not the only option for filling GRE bubbles. Results for the general and engineering subject exams came back very high, and I would be offered a fellowship to start a PhD program in fluid dynamics, the field I continue to work in.

So, my advice to young people preparing for such tests has been: 1) go to a party the night before, and 2) use a No. 3 pencil.

Obama probably was the best of a pretty mediocre bunch since world war II.

Trump will probably go down as the worst of all time, with George W Bush on his heels, having left the country on its knees by the end of his 8 years.

Clinton almost eliminated the federal deficit so you have to give the man credit for that, even though his taste in women was questionable.

Really being president is an impossible job for which no one these days is suitably qualified. It is probably time to just leave the position vacant and save on the salary.

Certain skills are just not tested and measured on IQ tests (and less correlated or not correlated at all with g) – musical talent, athletic ability, etc. Sure you can present examples of blacks who are highly talented in non-g loaded fields. There are tons and tons of black musicians and athletes. But can you name a black mathematician or physicist who outperforms his IQ score?

The more g loaded the occupation, the closer your IQ score will predict your actual performance. That being said, certain savant types like Feynman did not score very high on general IQ type tests because they test things like knowledge of historical events regarding which Feynman had absolutely zero interest. OTOH, his math scores were among the highest ever seen.

You are trolling right?

“The average Kenyan child speaks three languages. This figure is even higher amongst children in urban deprived areas who regularly speak five languages.”

https://www.incultureparent.com/why-most-african-kids-are-multilingual/

Meanwhile, did Yellen suffer a past stroke? Often, when the subject can only speak out of one side of her mouth, along with labored speech patterns, it indicates brain damage due to a stroke.

I only ask because I don’t think CNBC will…

You losers. Somebody actually accomplishes something, unlike you, including you, Sailer, and all you can do is wang on about IQ.

Proof positive IQ is bullshit.. High IQ means a babbling, insane autist.

Not to mention that little Nigerian girls are smarter than you.

And the fact that you don’t know what I’m talking about proves your massive inferiority. And I don’t mean complex. I mean you are actually inferior.

All that gossip about King happens to all come from the same single, highly suspicious Swampish source. And of course, you suckers believe it. More typical hypocrisy. When the Swamp does something you don’t like, it’s bad, when it says something you like then it’s good, and right, and correct.

A little off topic:
The curious thing about blacks (so I’ve read, but I’m sure there will be people here that will correct me if I am wrong) is that black females outscore black males in every category of intelligence testing, whereas in every other group it’s a mix: females better in verbal, males better in quantitative, etc…
This seems to support my unscientific observations of various organizations (government, universities corporations): there are many competent black women in administrative positions (HR, etc…) even if they are AA hires. In fact, their social skills seem to be superior to many white women and asians. Many times I would rather deal with the black women in organizations than the angry, embittered (often divorced) white women. They always seem more reasonable and wise to the ways of the world. They also have a much lower tolerance for BS compared to certain others. (I’ll leave it at that).

Releasing FBI surveillance of anyone is an obscenity. The government spying is done with the purpose of investigating and prosecuting crimes, and if it is never publicly used for that purpose, never presented as evidence in a trial, then the files should be shredded.

Martin Luther King, unlike myriads of so-called revolutionaries, actually accomplished something. He got legislation passed that changed society. In visible ways.

This, by the way, is what is wrong with modern agitation movements. They don’t have concrete, achievable legislative goals–legislation being the only thing worth actually agitating for. All the rest is a lot of rhetoric and hot air.

A story for you. A man from Philly, sick of the hypocrisies of his asshole-filled home country, went to the USSR in the 40s and stayed there until the 70s, when he returned.

When he came back he was utterly amazed to see blacks walking all around the city, everywhere, even Wanamaker’s. When he left, he said, you would see nary a one.

That is what changed. Blacks walking around anywhere they wanted. Not the world. But certainly more fair. And all because of Martin Luther King putting non-violent pressure on the US government.

Can’t wait to hear the pea-brained, “high-IQ” responses. Let the imbecilities begin!

I am working from foggy memory here but I recall my GRE scores as 710 verbal, 590 Math.

My GMAT score will be forever etched into my brain — 600 on the nose, 90th percentile. With my work experience plus truly spectacular verbal skills, plus stellar undergrad transcript, plus other graduate school work, I talked my way into a top 5 B school.

Today I’d be on the outside looking in.

King, who apparently was not capable of thinking original thoughts (seriously) got his ideas about non-violent protest from Gandhi, who got his ideas for “Satyagraha” from Henry David Thoreau. I read those very same Thoreau writings in the log cabin I built in the woods forty years ago. (And I roughed it far more than Henry, and I was far more self-sufficient.) Does that mean I should have a national holiday named for me?

King was only exceptional in the sense that he filled a role, like an actor on a stage. He gets the Oscar. Woo hoo.

The validity of such a test to measure what it purported to measure is being overestimated here by at least an order of magnitude. Growing up at the knee of an ambitious, successful old-time black preacher is akin to an inverse Kaplan class.

Similar to Trump

Instructive diverge between true philosophy and mathematical aptitude. Wisdom DNE knowledge DNE intellect.

exactly – Thurgood Marshall was in some ways more consequential (and smarter) than MLK ever was.

so you’re almost 85?

I’m of the view that John Lewis was the “understudy” in case a scandal blew up in MLK’s face.

“Life is like a box of chocolates. You never……….. ”

“The average Kenyan child speaks three languages. This figure is even higher amongst children in urban deprived areas who regularly speak five languages.”

So they speak 2 dialects of Swahili plus a form of broken English. That does not indicate fluent polyglotism and some special facility for languages. Much of the world can speak multiple dialects and some form and degree of broken English.

Africans struggle with achieving full proficiency, fluency, and literacy in their first languages. Having basic conversational ability in or broken forms of more than one dialect or language doesn’t make you a fluent polyglot.

In other news of standardized testing, the College Board abruptly discontinued SAT subject tests and the SAT essay.

Talented young Whites and Asians will still be able to stand out by, er, uh, …

iSteve fave David Coleman makes a guest appearance.

I actually think King handled his role better than Trump.

Donald has been like an engine you are trying to tune and never can get the mixture right or the idle correct. I have a Stihl chainsaw that runs like him, and I hate it.

If you don’t know what I mean, then you aren’t a man. (Just kidding.)

The SAT and GRE were both measures of how much essential mathematics and reading skill you’ve picked up, which correlates directly to IQ. The only way you’d do well is reading deeply and broadly for a decade, and paying attention and actually acquiring the basic skill sets in Algebra I and geometry.

The only people who read anything extensively beyond pop fiction are those who possess abstract intelligence. That’s why the SAT and GRE – which in the verbal section were vocabulary and reading skill tests – correlated so strongly to IQ.

High school and to a less degree college grades – grades in general – are about hopping obediently through hoops, regular attendance, doing homework, pleasing the teacher, and good test preparation.. Female skill sets that do not correlate strongly with IQ.

Many do not know the term ‘homiletics’ which refers to the art of preaching and writing sermons.

I think nearly all or all divinity schools teach this to one degree or another. Some of the airy-fairy ones may not emphasize it if they are all about abstract theology/writings but for a professional preacher this skill is essential.

Basically it is Public Speaking but with a religious teaching/inspiration objective. Some preachers excel at this and King was among the best, though he had a lot of experience also.

I’ve noticed that many higher IQ blacks, more talented and perhaps energetic, end up as ministers and preachers rather than STEM professions or harder professional disciplines. They can make good money at it, there are many openings since blacks go to church more often than others, and can get decently paid. There are perks. (Funeral directors are another common career path.)

For whites not familiar with ministers/preachers who can actually hold an audience, like a good comedian or entertainer, King’s performances were novel and remarkable. Not so for others.

This does take talent and a performer’s personality traits. Of course being a skill, you can glibly preach nonsense and many will swoon. Adolph H was quite a speaker (rather angry by modern tastes) but could sway an audience.

To be good at public speaking you must learn and practice, have natural skill also. Being smarter than most of your audience is also very helpful. Personality projection, etc.

I’ve not seen any evidence that Obama dated any black women before Michelle

The real question is how many white men did he date?

King said the right thing at the right time. It appears he wasn’t original.

Trump said the right things at the right time. He was an original, but he also proved that his message, flawed as he is, is a message the majority of productive Americans want to hear. He was populist light. Our job is to find populist heavy.

Now- this is interesting ….

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/martin-luther-king-robert-kennedy-and-modern-cancel-culture/

Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy and modern cancel culture

The night before he was murdered, Martin Luther King traveled to Memphis, Tennessee to rally support for striking Black sanitation workers. On the evening of April 3, 1968, at Mason Temple Church of God in Christ, King spoke for the last time. His final words were so stirring they resonate to this day. Endlessly replayed, they immortalize the tragedy of what the United States suffered when an assassin shot him the next day.

“Because I’ve been to the mountaintop… and I’ve seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people will get to the promised land..”

While not as fully remembered, the start of King’s final speech also was fascinating, and vintage King. The great civil rights leader began by telling the crowd how he would like to take a trip through history.

“As you know, if I were standing at the beginning of time,…and the Almighty said to me, ‘Martin Luther King, which age would you like to live in?’ – I would take my mental flight to Egypt…I wouldn’t stop there. I would move onto Greece and take my mind to Mount Olympus. And I would see Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Euripides and Aristophanes assembled around the Parthenon as they discussed the great and eternal issues of reality.”
…………….

The problem with this AI Roman Emperor project is that according to most scholars (all in fact) virtually none of the statues or carvings of these guys was done from life.

Yes there were some that incorporated accurate descriptions to some extent, but all ancient ruler images were done for propaganda reasons. I.e. Stalin was short and ugly, with thinning hair, not like the Pravda photos.

While some of these bore some resemblance, if you were a Roman Emperor your venerated imagery would like like a Photoshopped pr photo, not like you really were.

Languages have rules of grammar that you must understand. Languages have subjects, adjectives, verbs, and adverbs. Languages have large numbers of vocabulary words.

If you can fluently speak a language, that’s evidence of high IQ.

Here’s one way to separate mimicry from verbal IQ. Have a discussion/argument with a person. If they can craft unique points in response to your points, then they likely have a high IQ. If they keep repeating the same thing over and over without any ability to improvise anything new, then they’re just mimicking what they’ve heard in the past.

Improvisation of verbal arguments is evidence of strong verbal ability.

Clinton almost eliminated the federal deficit so you have to give the man credit for that, even though his taste in women was questionable.