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Even if Miller is right, he needs to know that the Statue stood there for over a 1000 yrs, beckoning people of the Old World to the New World.
Space Aliens or American Indians built them long ago to attract new people.
The Left spent 50 years making white Americans into an ethnic group and encouraging other groups to act like ethnic groups and then are shocked that whites now act like an ethnic group.
This is why Trump won, people.
Also, I will again point out that the idea that a treacly bad poem at the base of a foreign statue =national immigration policy is so insane that it would actually make more sense if the statute was some kind of gift of the Oracle at Delphi after the sacrifice of Helios’s prize bulls and not the French government for the centennial of the Declaration of Independence.
Whites on the other hand wanted to play a fair & post-national game without.
They may soon reap the identity politics they've sown.
The line for the Re-education Camp forms on the right . . .
I just saw this a minute ago and then immediately saw it posted here too. Does Steve get his material from /pol/ or does /pol/ get its material from steve?
Guilty of Knowing.
Myriads facts are known by a subset of the population. As knowledge of any fact is correlated with badgroup status, those knowing certain facts are ‘beyond the pale.’
A good thinker would first google ‘new’ thoughts and make sure they have a good hit ratio on good v. bad Facebook thinkers. Perhaps someone could develop such a service, eg, “statue liberty phrase added later” and see how it fairs or fails.
The Secret Knowledge rears its head. Probably Miller’s knowledge derived from facts about the Colussus dug up by Himmler’s occult research.
But seriously, it’s hard to know where to start with this, because it’s not like referencing Julius Evola or Camp of the Saints. Those suggest familiarity with rightist thought, and rightist to the left means Nazi, otherwise known as white nationalism. But Emma Lazarus trivia? You make yourself look stupider for not knowing than Miller looks racist for knowing.
On the bright side, alt-right doesn’t mean “Nazi” yet, because they’d have used it instead of “white nationalist” if it did.
She shouldn’t know it, either, should she?
It's allowable for Hannah Arendt t o write a book on Eichmann. But if I obsessively researched him, ooh boy.
The old WSJ "Best Of The Web" had a recurring category for these stories: "Dog Whistles and the Liberals Who Hear Them"
Parents protect their children from knowledge which is too much for them to bear, too confusing for their little minds to process. For some time, children can operate successfully under the “need-to-know basis” of parental protection. But ignorance in this sense only works if there is an adult mind on the scene to do the protecting.
What other facts are attested to by white nationalists. I’m frightened, what if they believe in something I believe in, like the sun rising in the east or water being necessary to human life? Would I have to kill myself?
But seriously, it's hard to know where to start with this, because it's not like referencing Julius Evola or Camp of the Saints. Those suggest familiarity with rightist thought, and rightist to the left means Nazi, otherwise known as white nationalism. But Emma Lazarus trivia? You make yourself look stupider for not knowing than Miller looks racist for knowing.
On the bright side, alt-right doesn't mean "Nazi" yet, because they'd have used it instead of "white nationalist" if it did.Replies: @Stealth
“White nationalist” is worse, because everybody knows “Nazi” is just something people say.
They wanted identity politics.
Whites on the other hand wanted to play a fair & post-national game without.
They may soon reap the identity politics they’ve sown.
Wait until she finds out that, no matter when it was added, the American public never voted on it, nor were they consulted in any other way.
As a wise man once said, the greatest gift Twitter has given us is the certain knowledge that America’s “elites” are no more sophisticated or knowledgable than the average person.
She has a special dispensation from the Ministry of Truth.
It’s allowable for Hannah Arendt t o write a book on Eichmann. But if I obsessively researched him, ooh boy.
Ha. It’s like seeing your father in law at the strip club.
Turns out the in-law pushes the button anyway, and tells his daughter. He says Pete will do the right thing and keep silent. Presumably because he's the WASP-iest WASP ever, despite the fact that his mother was Dutch and his father I think was Scottish.*
*There's a hilariously ridiculous scene in the final season where a guy blocks Pete's daughter's enrollment in a private school because of an Old Country rivalry with the Campbells. They allegedly welcomed this guy's ancestors, who I think were named McDonald, into their home then slaughtered them in their seats. Pete confronts this McDonald, at one point yelling, "The king ordered it!"Replies: @Steve Sailer
I’ve seen similar from blue checkists about the year 1965: why do immigration restrictionists keep bracketing everything with 1965?
It’s because immigration restrictionists are actually white nationalists/supremacists in disguise.
Have no illusions. The restrictionists want America to go back to the mostly-white Dark Age that existed until a few decades ago, before the Hart-Celler Act of 1965 made America the Nation of Immigrants possible. They’re white nationalists evilly trying to reshape America’s ethnic demographics.
You know Miller just delivered a body blow to the Narrative when they run right to “hate facts!”.
We have the best Jewish WNs, folks! You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Believe me.
I thought it was the Statute of Liberty?
Ignorance is not bliss, it is strength as in
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery
Another example of fake news from CNN. That Statute was completed in 1886. It was a gift from France to honor freedom in the USA after the slaves were freed (She has broken chains around her ankles). Other stuff was stuck on the bottom over the years, like allowing LEGAL immigrants. From Wiki:
Inscriptions, plaques, and dedications
The Statue of Liberty stands on Liberty Island.
There are several plaques and dedicatory tablets on or near the Statue of Liberty.
A plaque on the copper just under the figure in front declares that it is a colossal statue representing Liberty, designed by Bartholdi and built by the Paris firm of Gaget, Gauthier et Cie (Cie is the French abbreviation analogous to Co.). [168]
A presentation tablet, also bearing Bartholdi’s name, declares the statue is a gift from the people of the Republic of France that honors “the Alliance of the two Nations in achieving the Independence of the United States of America and attests their abiding friendship.”[168]
A tablet placed by the New York committee commemorates the fundraising done to build the pedestal.[168]
The cornerstone bears a plaque placed by the Freemasons.[168]
In 1903, a bronze tablet that bears the text of Emma Lazarus’s sonnet, “The New Colossus” (1883), was presented by friends of the poet. Until the 1986 renovation, it was mounted inside the pedestal; today it resides in the Statue of Liberty Museum, in the base.[168]
“The New Colossus” tablet is accompanied by a tablet given by the Emma Lazarus Commemorative Committee in 1977, celebrating the poet’s life.[168]
So there you have it! The Statue honors the Freemasons first! Honoring legal immigrants not til 1903.
The fact that the poem isn’t about Liberty might be a clue.
I think today’s event was a mass red pill to the American people.
Normies have never heard these basic facts about American history. Yes really the United States passed laws to limit immigration. Many, many Americans didn’t know that until today
How did he know the poem was added later? The poem is famously written by Emma Lazerus, while the statue of liberty was built by some French dude nobody seems to talk about.
We had to memorize the poem in school and learned it was added after the Statue was given to France then. Guess my teacher was on the Alt Right, that would have been news to her.
Overthinking it Steve.
Translation for women to English “I need those room temp IQ morons to be my $7 an hour sex slaves er ‘escorts’ dammit when I’m 45 and weigh over 200 pounds. A woman needs more than just a plug in appliance dammit!”
“OMG! You must have seen that on a conservative website!” (Subtext: “You racist!”)
This is what I hear whenever I make some sort of factual statement that is contrary to The Narrative. The best response is “Do you think that this is a useful piece of information? Ask yourself why you haven’t heard it!”
Unfortunately it’s impossible to engage these people in a reasoned discussion. And they don’t even know that about themselves. Their emotional brain certainty that they are liberals who by definition know all sides of the argument is unassailable.
It’s not the Statue of Liberty, it’s the Statute of Immigration
Monuments can be reclaimed by the populace, I would concede that. It's happened historically. I visited the statue 30 years ago, it was like the population. I have no idea who goes these days.
I'm guessing a lot of old stock Americans, Indians who are everywhere I learned at the Breakers last week, and foreigners. I'm guessing black Americans aren't that excited about the statue of immigration.
Either Miss Sarah Ryley is really stupid – usually you can’t go wrong betting this way …
or, what she is pissed about, to the point of literally tweeting, is that the cntrl-left has spent a number of decades already revising history wrt the Statue of Liberty. It takes quite a while to get the narrative spread around and entrenched, and she’ll be damned if some uppity press secretary somewhere is gonna ruin all of that hard work scraping and peeling off this narrative layer!
Imagine, bringing up stuff they used to teach kids in Kindergarten in the 1970’s! Takes a lot of damn gall! This Steve Miller should be put up on The Stake:
Pete Campbell saw his father-in-law at a bordello in Mad Men, with as he described it to a colleague the biggest, blackest prostitute you can imagine. That colleague compared the situation to Mutually Assured Destruction, and said he needn’t worry.
Turns out the in-law pushes the button anyway, and tells his daughter. He says Pete will do the right thing and keep silent. Presumably because he’s the WASP-iest WASP ever, despite the fact that his mother was Dutch and his father I think was Scottish.*
*There’s a hilariously ridiculous scene in the final season where a guy blocks Pete’s daughter’s enrollment in a private school because of an Old Country rivalry with the Campbells. They allegedly welcomed this guy’s ancestors, who I think were named McDonald, into their home then slaughtered them in their seats. Pete confronts this McDonald, at one point yelling, “The king ordered it!”
Here she is, she needs some encouragement, I did my best.
https://twitter.com/MissRyley/status/892863046879559680
The real reason the French gave the statue was probably a lot less noble than that and more to do with the fact that England had been a long-time rival and sometimes enemy.
Or in French:
https://youtu.be/uBHPmYIxaiI
Some appropriate responses:
1) Because it would have been hard to add a poem to a statue before it was there?
Although actually the statue wasn’t complete until 1886. Lazarus’s poem was written before the statue was finished to help raise money for the pedestal. It didn’t seem to leave much of an impression on most of her contemporaries. It wasn’t until 20 years later that a friend of hers twisted some arms to get the poem posted in the pedestal.
2) How dare he know all the shit that public school teachers were explicitly instructed not to teach him?
3) I would really, really, really be interested in knowing how many people can name the author of that poem vs. how many can name the guys who designed and built the statue.
To the Left, the Statue of Liberty was corny capitalist artifice at one stage. I remember Lou Reed calling it the ‘statue of bigotry’ in a song, around the time I got tired of Lou Reed.
Monuments can be reclaimed by the populace, I would concede that. It’s happened historically. I visited the statue 30 years ago, it was like the population. I have no idea who goes these days.
I’m guessing a lot of old stock Americans, Indians who are everywhere I learned at the Breakers last week, and foreigners. I’m guessing black Americans aren’t that excited about the statue of immigration.
I bet he read it in a book. We should find it…………….and burn it.
I think Mike P. was alluding to the Seinfeld episode where Kramer thinks it’s called the Statute of Liberty. He asks Elaine in while she’s taking an IQ test for George in a restaurant and she gets annoyed with him, and then he asks Jerry.
lots of usa lot of people make that mistake, which is what made that funny.Watching Miller vs. Acosta must give me the same feeling of smug satisfaction that a Leftist gets while watching “Inherit the Wind” – a man arguing from facts against a man defending some dearly held position that was just sort of plucked from the ether.
But the biggest difference is that the Miller/Acosta exchange was real, while tworking atheist leftists got to right both sides of the argument in “Inherit.”
Maybe someone can write a sequel to that play and call it “Inherit the Refuse.”
Turns out the in-law pushes the button anyway, and tells his daughter. He says Pete will do the right thing and keep silent. Presumably because he's the WASP-iest WASP ever, despite the fact that his mother was Dutch and his father I think was Scottish.*
*There's a hilariously ridiculous scene in the final season where a guy blocks Pete's daughter's enrollment in a private school because of an Old Country rivalry with the Campbells. They allegedly welcomed this guy's ancestors, who I think were named McDonald, into their home then slaughtered them in their seats. Pete confronts this McDonald, at one point yelling, "The king ordered it!"Replies: @Steve Sailer
“There’s a hilariously ridiculous scene in the final season where a guy blocks Pete’s daughter’s enrollment in a private school because of an Old Country rivalry with the Campbells.”
I saw that weird Scottish clan war scene in Mad Men and was baffled by it. It was like a bad Groundskeeper Willy parody. Presumably, it’s a metaphor for something, but knows what?
Pete was one of the few people around who'd possibly have knowledge of family history going back hundreds of years. Thoseties are gone for everyone else, especially the lead, Don Draper. Who totally reinvented himself at least once, and was reinventing himself piecemeal constantly. Now the firm is being reinvented, or annihilated, as it were.
For the record, I believe the scene was a historical reference to the Glencoe Massacre of 1692, which was a big loss for the Jacobite movement. It's in fact the only thing I know about Scottish history of the period outside of Bonnie Prince Charlie, the Battle of Culloden, and Walter Scott novels. But I don't know too much, so I checked, and Clan Campbell actually was responsible for killing 70 or so members of Clan McDonald for disloyalty to William and Mary. (Why do we always need to name both?) I was wrong, in that the Campbells were the guests rather than the other way around. They abused the hospitality of the McDonalds by mass-murdering a hood portion of them on the king's orders.
Either the writers popped this reference in because they happened to pick the name Campbell years ago and needed comic relief (dark comic relief, since people actually were massacred), or there was some deeper significance. Considering the metaphor of McCann-Erickson as Clan Campbell massacring Sterling-Cooper, or Clan McDonald, by absorbing them into the bigger firm.
https://youtu.be/SkMhyYHsxnU
In other words projection that others harbour such grudges, although the Campbell betrayal is one of the better known Highland feuds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clachaig_Inn
Yes, as in “We just ‘liberated’ the world’s future superpower from you, how do ya like them apples? I thought you guys liked divide and conquer?”
Or in French:
But the biggest difference is that the Miller/Acosta exchange was real, while tworking atheist leftists got to right both sides of the argument in "Inherit."
Maybe someone can write a sequel to that play and call it "Inherit the Refuse."Replies: @larry lurker
Some touring company performed Inherit the Wind at my university years ago. The role of the prosecutor was played by a fat, black, 5’2 lesbian in a top hat. She sounded like a preacher, shouting every line and making no attempt at a white or white southern accent, so it was actually worse than you’d think it would be.
Wow, has the left honestly become this unhinged that simply knowing trivia is now evidence of being a racist/alt-right fanatic/Nazi?
Also, I love how the Thinkprogress article cites examples from only 2009 till now, and most of them are obscure internet fringe groups—this surely constitutes solid, historical evidence that knowing this fact implies that you’re a white nationalist.
I suppose journalism and history are separate disciplines for a reason.
No, Dave, that was the “statue of limitations”. Believe me
lots of usa lot of people make that mistake, which is what made that funny.I don’t want to speculate on what it was supposed to mean, because it came off like a little absurdist humor thrown in to lighten the episode. That episode was when the firm, Sterling-Cooper-whatever it was at that point, got eaten up by the bigger firm, McCann-Erickson. Which was full of “Black Irish,” as one character put it, a far cry from the white-shoe nature of the old firm.
Pete was one of the few people around who’d possibly have knowledge of family history going back hundreds of years. Thoseties are gone for everyone else, especially the lead, Don Draper. Who totally reinvented himself at least once, and was reinventing himself piecemeal constantly. Now the firm is being reinvented, or annihilated, as it were.
For the record, I believe the scene was a historical reference to the Glencoe Massacre of 1692, which was a big loss for the Jacobite movement. It’s in fact the only thing I know about Scottish history of the period outside of Bonnie Prince Charlie, the Battle of Culloden, and Walter Scott novels. But I don’t know too much, so I checked, and Clan Campbell actually was responsible for killing 70 or so members of Clan McDonald for disloyalty to William and Mary. (Why do we always need to name both?) I was wrong, in that the Campbells were the guests rather than the other way around. They abused the hospitality of the McDonalds by mass-murdering a hood portion of them on the king’s orders.
Either the writers popped this reference in because they happened to pick the name Campbell years ago and needed comic relief (dark comic relief, since people actually were massacred), or there was some deeper significance. Considering the metaphor of McCann-Erickson as Clan Campbell massacring Sterling-Cooper, or Clan McDonald, by absorbing them into the bigger firm.
That’s a good move, characterizing facts you don’t like as “talking points.”
“Consumer Reports says this car has the worst repair record of any 2014 model.”
“Oh, that’s just one if their talking points. Here, let me show you the back-up camera….”
"Consumer Reports says this car has the worst repair record of any 2014 model."
"Oh, that's just one if their talking points. Here, let me show you the back-up camera...."Replies: @Jack D
Yes, it’s really very effective. Instead of talking about the substance of his actual argument, which they can’t dispute (since it is perfectly true), we get to change the subject and talk about Miller and whether he is a bad person for knowing a fact that is the same fact that other bad people know. This is the old ad hominem or Alinsky Rule #13:
It also shows how are we are from the old standards of “Knowledge is Good” – nowadays, a good leftist not only prides himself on what he knows but on what he (she,xer) DOESN’T know. NOT KNOWING certain hate facts proves that you are a good person . Goodthinkers have no business even knowing hatefacts – LALALALA I can’t hear you.
No, originally it was more related to French domestic politics – France was (before 1870) ruled dictatorially by the monarch Napoleon III and the statue was supposed to inspire the French toward Liberty too.
I think it says this in the Book of Mormon.
The latest Fargo iteration has some weird scene with someone going on about Cossacks massacring Jews and revenge now to be visited upon the Russian hoodlum character, which is funny given the Jewish mob remains preeminent in Russia.
In other words projection that others harbour such grudges, although the Campbell betrayal is one of the better known Highland feuds.
“How did Miller know Statue of Liberty poem was added later? Happens to be Popular White Nationalist Talking point.”
I submit Miller reads Jeff Bezo’s blog.
Back in July 2009, when the alt-right was barely a twinkle in Paul Gottfried’s/Richard Spencer’s eye, an op-ed by Roberto Suro, Professor at the University of Southern California, entitled “She Was Never About Those Huddled Masses,” appeared in that well-known, far-right publication, the Washington Post.
Professor Suro asserted the Statue of Liberty had nothing to do with immigration and that Emma Lazarus’ doggerel was inserted much later. The good professor also suggested the poem be removed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/02/AR2009070201737.html
Meantime, just over a year ago, on March 15, 2016, a letter appeared in the same newspaper, repeating that the Statue of Liberty “has nothing to do with immigration,” and pointed to Suro’s earlier article.
http://helenair.com/news/opinion/readers_alley/statue-has-nothing-to-do-with-immigration/article_3c910fdf-f0aa-529e-b37e-5de2de0b7735.html
I didn’t realize the Washington Post was a platform for white nationalists. Learn something new every day…
I assume he would know about the SOLiberty anyway but I can imagine some lefties making a thing about it and him reading some responses, whether directly from Steve or down the steveosphere ladder.
Then again, I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. I just know that I like Steve both personally and intellectually and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Miller (and perhaps other Trumpetters) felt the same way and were benefited by it and subsequently benefitted the country by it.
Way to go Steve!Replies: @celt darnell
She shouldn’t know it, either, should she?
The old WSJ “Best Of The Web” had a recurring category for these stories: “Dog Whistles and the Liberals Who Hear Them”
The Glencoe Massacre still has echoes today. There are Scottish Republican (basically anti-English IRA wannabes) marches to the memorial. The famous climbers pub in Glencoe, the Clachaig Inn, has a sign saying “No hawkers or Campbells“.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clachaig_Inn
I assume he’s to busy to religiously read ANY blog but it would not surprise me in the least if a few twitter retweets to some of Steve’s posts have made it his way and seemed worthwhile enough for his attention.
I assume he would know about the SOLiberty anyway but I can imagine some lefties making a thing about it and him reading some responses, whether directly from Steve or down the steveosphere ladder.
Then again, I have no idea what the hell I’m talking about. I just know that I like Steve both personally and intellectually and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Miller (and perhaps other Trumpetters) felt the same way and were benefited by it and subsequently benefitted the country by it.
Way to go Steve!
I was just pointing out that Miller -- contrary to the hyperventilating journalist's imputation -- could just have easily learned that the Statue of Liberty poem (i.e. Lazarus' doggerel) was added later from the gaystream media.
But I guess they don't bother to read their own crap, given they know what's in it.
Here’s someone who’s presumably American, a Campbell, and worried about anti-Campbell prejudice in today’s Scotland.
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f105/campbells-still-not-welcome-some-parts-scotland-15694/
“I am planning a trip to England, Wales, Ireland and potentially Scotland and I am hearing that in some parts visitors are asked their lastname if you answer “Campbell” you are not served in pubs or even welcome in the town! Is this true?”
I assume he would know about the SOLiberty anyway but I can imagine some lefties making a thing about it and him reading some responses, whether directly from Steve or down the steveosphere ladder.
Then again, I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. I just know that I like Steve both personally and intellectually and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Miller (and perhaps other Trumpetters) felt the same way and were benefited by it and subsequently benefitted the country by it.
Way to go Steve!Replies: @celt darnell
Oh, I wouldn’t argue with you. And if Miller or any other Trump administration official isn’t reading Steve, they should be.
I was just pointing out that Miller — contrary to the hyperventilating journalist’s imputation — could just have easily learned that the Statue of Liberty poem (i.e. Lazarus’ doggerel) was added later from the gaystream media.
But I guess they don’t bother to read their own crap, given they know what’s in it.