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The terrorist slaughter of the staff of a satirical magazine featuring on its cover this week novelist Michel Houellebecq occurred on the day of publication in France of Houllebecq new novel Submission.
Here’s a synopsis of the novel, which is scheduled for publication in English translation in the fall.
Back in 2002, Houellebecq had been dragged into court for saying snarky things about Islam, but had been ultimately acquitted. His new novel about a Muslim takeover of France in the 2022 Presidential election harkens back to another event of 2002, the two-round Presidential election. In the primary round, the incumbent center-rightist Jacques Chirac took first place with 19.9% of the voters. Lionel Jospin of the center-left Socialists got 16.2%. But the Socialist was squeezed out of the runoff round by veteran rightist National Front leader Jean-Marine Le Pen with 16.9%.
Unlike laborious American Presidential general elections that take place many months after the primaries (the elderly John McCain, for example, grew 3/4ths of a year older [but no wiser] between when he lucked into wrapping up the GOP nomination on February 5, 2008 and the general election against the fortysomething Barack Obama), French final rounds last only two weeks.
And the European establishment in 2002 turned this into an extraordinary pan-European Two Weeks Hate against Le Pen and against immigration restrictionists in general. (Not surprisingly, the leading Dutch immigration skeptic, Pim Fortuyn, was assassinated by an upscale white leftist the day after the French final, and the European establishment reaction tended to be that while it was all very tragic, the murder victim kind of had it coming.) With the entire left turning out to vote for the old Gaullist Chirac, Le Pen senior only increased his share of the vote in the final round to 17.8%.
So Houellebecq projects this scenario forward 20 years to 2022. Houellebecq has said he’s speeding up demographic destiny by placing in 2022 events more likely for, say, 2042.
The Socialists have somehow eked out a second term in 2017, but now Marine Le Pen is the frontrunner. The Socialists are so unpopular by 2022 that the new Muslim Fraternity party ekes into second place, earning a spot in the final round. From The Modern Novel website:
There seems to be some agreement afoot between the Socialists and the Muslims. However, while the Muslims are willing to concede finance and foreign affairs to the Socialists,
That’s a nice touch.
they are adamant that they should be in charge of education, on the basis that if you educate the children they will turn out as you wish them to turn out.
It seems that their policy will be to create Muslim schools which will follow strict Muslim teaching (same sex schools only, girls mainly taught domestic science and trained to be wives and mothers, very limited higher education for women, regular prayer and Koran-based instruction). Non-Muslim schools will exist but they will get much less funding, so that they will soon deteriorate and all middle-class parents will want to send their children to the Muslim schools. They will also allow polygamy.
I don’t see Muslims getting their hands on education policy right away. White people care a lot about their children’s educations. On the other hand, Muslim politicians in France getting their hands on immigration policy would be the more likely camel’s nose in the tent, as it were. After all, immigration policy is increasingly seen in the respectable world as a subject for moral grandstanding, while education is an area for nuance
Eventually a deal is made between the Muslim party and the main older French political parties so that the Muslim party wins the election.
The Houellebecqian antihero, a professor of French literature, flees Paris fearing a civil war:
Running out of petrol, he finally finds a garage but finds the cashier dead – shot – as well as two dead, armed Muslims. What happened? Eventually, he arrives at the village of Martel, apparently named after Charles Martel, who defeated the Arabs at Tours in 732. He bumps into Alain Tanneur [a Socialist deep stater], who has a house there. Both he and his wife have been made redundant. He goes to dinner with them, where Tanneur gives a lot more speculation on the possible future of the country and tells him how the attacks on the garage and similar attacks at election booths are being kept out of the media.
In other words, in Submission, 2022 wasn’t a free and fair election, but Le Monde et al aren’t going to tell you that that the majority actually favored Le Pen.
However, when the Muslims do win the elections, things seem to calm down. After that, things change very rapidly and, in my view, very unconvincingly. Women are sent back to the Middle Ages, wearing only modest clothing. They seem to be squeezed out of many jobs. François, for example, goes to a cocktail party at the university later on and is surprised that there is not a single woman there. Polygamy is adopted and accepted (by both sexes). Crime drops. The new president, Mohammed Ben Abbes, is very astute at not antagonising too many people.
The European Union, under French inspiration, admits Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, and Egypt. EU membership comes with Open Borders, sealing the demographic fate of much of the rest of Europe.
The protagonist is bereft of a job (and the steady supply of a coed per year that had come with it). The new head of the university, a collaborationist, offers him his professorship back if he converts to Islam. He does, and finds it not so bad.
There are some ideologically brilliant ju-jitsu moves in this, such as equating Islam with the Nazi occupation of France, and suggesting that Houellebecq himself, who has cultivated for himself over the years a George Costanza-like image as an opportunistic schlemiel, would, of course, collaborate.
To make this more historically plausible, however, I’d stretch this political process out into a two stage process taking place over five years across two presidential elections, and combine Submission with Jean Raspail’s 1973 novel The Camp of the Saints (and Bertolt Brecht’s 1953 poem The Solution).
In 2022, Marine Le Pen easily wins the first round with, say, 40% of the vote. The mediagenic Muslim party candidate, who finishes fourth with 9%, announces that he will advise his followers to not vote in the final election, unless the coalition of Establishment parties give him control of one area of policy — but not of education as in the author’s scenario, but of immigration and citizenship as a moral rebuke to the anti-immigrant hatefulness of the National Front.
The establishment / Islamist coalition ekes out a 51-49 win over the National Front, helped along by some mob violence and election tampering. A secular centrist Frenchman becomes president. Marine Le Pen retires as head of the National Front in favor of her even more popular and charismatic daughter, who instantly becomes the frontrunner for 2027. The Internet is full of observations that Likud lost eight straight general elections before becoming the dominant party in Israel.
In desperation to stop the next onslaught of the FN in 2027, the combined establishment parties accede to the suggestion of their most brilliant young politician, Mohammed Ben Abbes, that to prevent the people from electing a new government in 2027, the government must elect a new people.
A media campaign of white guilt over French colonialism and the Crusades is ginned up. A ship loaded with illegal immigrants founders spectacularly in the Mediterranean on television. A new law is rammed through offering, in effect, open borders for four years to all countries victimized by French imperialism and the Crusades (in the fine print, populous Egypt is included for having suffered the indignity of the French building the Suez Canal). A one year residency requirement for voting is introduced. A senile Pope Francis issues an encyclical denouncing immigration restriction as the great Satan of the 21st Century. A few false flag operations whip up a frenzy of hatred against the FN.
The Camp of the Saints of course proves a vast disaster for France, which only intensifies establishment anger at dissidents for pointing this out. Muslim and/or African car-be-ques appear to be headed out of control, but Ben Abbes demonstrates an impressive ability to turn them off at his command. In desperation, the Socialists and Sarkozyites turn to Ben Abbes as the one man who can permanently end the FN menace, while also calming the street violence spilling from the banlieues to the arrondissements. Of course, after Ben Abbes takes out the FN, the French insiders reason, he can easily be squeezed out himself.
And so on January 30, 2027, a few months before the scheduled election, the sitting president resigns in favor of the temporary expedient of Ben Abbes as President.
Several weeks later the Louvre burns down. A retarded white soccer hooligan is arrested nearby holding a can of gasoline.
FN leaders are rounded up. A North Korean computer hack reveals to the world the names, addresses, and license plate numbers of FN voters, some of whom suffer rough justice for their hereditary guilt stretching back to the Crusades.
NATO leaders invoke Article 5 as applying to NATO member (since 2009) France and applying to an attack from inside the country by nativists. President George P. Bush, at the suggestion of U.S. national security advisor Prince Bandar, deploys the 82nd Airborne to the NATO base at Avord in central France to back the Ben Abbes government in maintaining law and order. Secretary of State Chelsea Clinton announces, “Lafayette, we are here!” as the U.S. sets up drone patrols over rural France.
In a magnanimous gesture praised in world capitals, President Ben Abbes announces he is not delaying the scheduled election. Although in preventive detention, after the first hour of vote counting in the primary round in April 2027, Mademoiselle Le Pen appears to be headed toward a smashing majority, making her President without a runoff. But a computer outage takes vote counting off the air for the rest of the evening and when the count resumes in the wee hours, it’s found that she only won 48% and must face two weeks later Ben Abbes, who is then anointed the defender of all that is right and holy in the multicultural modern era.
And thus we can pick up again with the story line in Submission.
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
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and the Crusades (in the small print, Egypt is included)
Egypt should be able to get in by way of the seventh crusade.
Speaking of Jujitsu, a British Muslim activist just Godwinned Charlie Hebdo on Twitter: https://twitter.com/moansar/status/553283703590625280
Tactical error like greenpeace and the Nazca lines.
Does the very fact of Submissions publication and (likely) best-selling status not say volumes about where we in the US are and where the Europeans are? Could a book in the US about the Reconquista get published, let alone become a best-seller even though the concept of a Reconquista in the US is supported by reality and that of Eurabia is not? Could the American equivalent of Sarazzin’s Germany Is Abolishing Itself find the light of day here? I must be in a twilight zone.
Do people really think Europe is doomed, somehow in a worse position than the US demographically? That’s amazing.
If all this Euro-trashing is meant to wake up Americans to threats of White dispossession here, let me join the bandwagon, but I’m not reading it that way. I’m reading an attempt to demoralize and create more justification for US meddling in the Middle-East circa Mark Steyn and his ilk.
Not bad Steve, although you’re not a novelist. After all, accuracy has to be sacrificed for drama.
The key point is this: Just keep the inflow of Muslim immigrants – legal and illegal – at a high level and sooner or later the “tipping point” will arrive. After that, destruction of the native culture is inevitable as the “Immigrants” replace the natives.
The timing of the attack is very interesting. The release of Houellebecq’s novel. Also a few days before the attack, France recognized Palestinian statehood, and Hollande called for lifting the sanctions on Russia.
They never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity.
Although in preventive detention, after the first hour of vote counting in the primary round in April 2027, Mademoiselle Le Pen appears to be headed toward a smashing majority, making her President without a runoff.
Marion Maréchal-Le Pen could play herself in the film version of this fictional biopic set in the near future. Check out the photos of her and her aunt in this UMP hit piece: ” … like the queen asking the mirror ‘who is the fairest of them all’ … their growing feminine rivalry is a story as old as the world …”
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2013/06/07/01002-20130607ARTFIG00484-front-national-marion-versus-marine.php
Marion is supposedly more right-wing than her aunt and Jean-Marie thinks she’s smarter, according to an unfriendly newspaper. Marion marched in the anti-gay marriage protests while Marine didn’t and Marion represents a more hardline region in the south.
I'm sorry, but what a hotty.
Egypt should be able to get in by way of the seventh crusade.Replies: @syonredux
Plus the period of British-French Dual Control:
And the Suez Crisis:
Without having read Houellebecq’s book, your book-proposal (it is that, right?) seems more plausible. It’s just hard for me to believe that the French would surrender their nation withiout the intermediate step of electing a new people. Plus the false-flags and dirty tricks.
I still think France is the European nation most likely to have a reconquista, on the basis of culture, language and nationhood.
“Major Russian TV network says US intelligence carried out the Charlie Hebdo attack”
http://www.vox.com/2015/1/8/7514439/charlie-hebdo-russia-cia
Both of the left parties in France are extremely unpopular. Not only will they not elect a president in 2017, they won’t even make it to the runoff. And that’s with white candidates. There isn’t any sort of Muslim or African dominated party, their turn-out and political skills are very low in France.
I’d like to see Marine win, so it is too bad she won’t face a beatable left-wing opponent. But it is pretty clear Juppe or Sarkozy will be the next president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
The most recent poll showed Juppe beating her 64-36.
The current (2008 amended) constitution of the Fifth Republic would not permit most of these changes (e.g. women excluded from occupations & professions, state schools based on a religion). The National Assembly and Senate must pass any constitutional amendments.
France’s immigration problem is not nearly as bad as the USA’s.
The most recent year for which they have statistics is 2008, and France received about 90,000 immigrants from Africa (north and south). With a population of 66 million, that is one African immigrant per 730 native residents.
By comparison, the USA receives about one third world immigrant per 200 residents per year.
France’s demographic issues are almost entirely the result of its open boarder policy in its booming ’55-’75 era when big business was looking for cheap factory labor.
I just heard a very strange observation from a Scot living in NYC, on NPR. (He called in to a very liberal show.) He said that membership in the Nationalist Party is surging and there is a possibility that if Labour wins, they would join the government as junior partner, with Alex Salmond being the Nick Clegg of a joint government.
If Labour wins….
Eg SNP seem to to believe that one problem with the Westminster government is that its waay too racist and its not welcoming nearly enough immigrants.Replies: @WhatEvvs
I'd like to see Marine win, so it is too bad she won't face a beatable left-wing opponent. But it is pretty clear Juppe or Sarkozy will be the next president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
The most recent poll showed Juppe beating her 64-36.Replies: @The most deplorable one
Yes, but that was before the recent unpleasantness.
On one hand, the other countless Islamic terrorist attacks produced a lot of noise but little else. This probably won’t move the needle either.
On the other hand, the French did kill their kings in a public square. Make of that what you will, but I agree that if the Happebing is going to occur anywhere in Western Europe, it’ll be France.
Is it too soon to say that the NAACP “bombing” was conveniently close to the Paris shootings? Is it too soon to say that maybe just maybe this *may* play out like the UVA rape thing, cept this time the rapists were terrorists?
1. The bomb didn’t detonate. Seriously, someone put a TANK OF PETROL in an alleyway beside the NAACP and failed to reasonably detonate it. Whoever these people were, they were incredibly stupid. This doesn’t rule out whites, but i guess if you’re going to make a politicized attempt to send a message, you will probably figure out how to ignite a TANK OF PETROL beforehand.
2. The tank in question was one of those red 5-litre ones you get at gas stations. I’ve no idea why that is pertinent. I just thought it was kinda cute to send such a politically charged message in such a tiny red receptacle.
3. There are lots of black Muslims
4. There are lots of blacks who are emboldened by #DontShoot (or whatever that hashtag was)
5- There are lots of black Muslims who are emboldened by #I’llWalkWithYOU
6- What better way to reassert yourself as the “real victims” by bombing yourself.
All conjecture, but I have a feeling I’m right here.
http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=6514610
I've seen firecrackers cause more damage. Whoever did this was incredibly incompetent (thank God). We live in the internet age where plans for deadly pressure cooker bombs (like the Bomb Brothers used in Boston) are only a google search away. But stupidity is not confined to minorities. A white guy (who may or may not have anything to do with this) was seen driving away from the scene. I wouldn't rule out a hoax by the local NAACP (if you are going to "bomb" yourself you don't really want to build a very effective bomb) but it's too soon to say that's what it is.
Even the few white people who might want to bomb the NAACP probably wouldn't bother, because they know they would need to listen to six months of propaganda in the media that would make the bombing counter productive to their cause.
Whenever these sorts of attacks are directed at any left wing person or organization, there's probably an 80% chance they attacked themselves. Their identities are shaped by the idea of being victims - and to be a proper victim one needs to be overtly victimized, at least once in a while.
You can easily see a scenario where an increasingly constrained and oppressed shrinking majority in Countries like France and Britain start looking to fellow European countries for a Pan European solution. This would not be unlike what you can see now in America, where residents of states like California have better representation from Senators and Congressmen from other states than they do from their own. If anything is going to happen on immigration it will be from states where there aren’t many.
I cannot imagine that the Finns or Poles like Arabs any more than the Germans but they have been spared so far due to their comparative underdevelopment. If Newspapers in Britain cannot publish what needs to be published and politicians cannot not say what needs to be said then they might need to start a new out group / in group strategy. You can see inklings of this with Russia reaching out to the French right and other Nationalists parties trying to find common ground. This would accelerate with right wing European governments and America, the multi-culti world cop, getting nudged out of Europe.
To some degree this is already being tested with the current fracas in Ukraine. America’s one big chip in the game is NATO whereas the EU has trade. Eventually, American will no longer be ‘European’ by blood or culture so they best start looking for new allies now.
the novel, which is scheduled for publication in English translation in the fall.
It’s like the olden days when outside of the US we had to wait half a year or more after the US release to see Hollywood movies.
The European Union, under French inspiration, admits Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, and Egypt. EU membership comes with Open Borders, sealing the demographic fate of much of the rest of Europe.
Spain granted an amnesty for 700,000 illegals in 2005. Given that so many Spaniards themselves have had to leave Spain to work in the UK and Germany I’m guessing a lot of those illegals also ended up in other EU states.
OT:
Obama’s One Weird Trick to close The Gap: make the first two years of community college “free”.
http://gawker.com/obama-announces-plan-for-free-community-college-1678400229
Marine Le Pen’s Facebook site has seen a spike of fans in the 24hrs since the Charlie Hebdo massacre
She and Obama are tied at around 18,000 fans and only the Prime Minister of India beats them as the most popular political figure with 26,000.
Actually wait…the Paris shooting came AFTER the NAACP bombing. Okay so they are not connected (unless of course Muslim extremists pay attention to racial conflicts in the U.S.!) I stand by everything else i said though!
Calling it a “bombing” is already an exaggeration. Here is a picture of the bomb “damage”
http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=6514610
I’ve seen firecrackers cause more damage. Whoever did this was incredibly incompetent (thank God). We live in the internet age where plans for deadly pressure cooker bombs (like the Bomb Brothers used in Boston) are only a google search away. But stupidity is not confined to minorities. A white guy (who may or may not have anything to do with this) was seen driving away from the scene. I wouldn’t rule out a hoax by the local NAACP (if you are going to “bomb” yourself you don’t really want to build a very effective bomb) but it’s too soon to say that’s what it is.
“Ben Abbes demonstrates an impressive ability to turn them off at his command”
That seemed the least plausible bit.
Libération has another foaming at the mouth editiorial. After saying the smug, “I told you so” faces of Renaud Camus, d’Eric Zemmour and Marine Le Pen are almost intolerable, the editorial goes on to say:
http://www.liberation.fr/debats/2015/01/08/sale-gueule_1176524
France will be in a full-on civil war long before there’s an electoral outcome.
What people don’t take into account is age and gender distribution. The numbers that matter are not voters but young men of prime fighting age and given the age distribution – especially among illegals – the tipping point in that demographic will happen long before the electoral tipping point. For example if muslims were 16% then they might be 32% of young men, add say 4% for illegals and then remember they are concentrated in the cities and you soon have c. 60% of young men in the cities. Some incident will spark the standard rioting and the point will have been reached where the rioters simply overwhelm the police and that will be that. France will turn into Lebanon.
Houllebecq is wrong. There is no room for converts at any apprrciable levels as Abu Hamza and others have said. Whites will be slaves, often according to Islamic law castrated if men, or put to the sword. Qutb makes the same points. White women will be concubines or domestic servants.
And Islam can't work in Europe. Europeans need tremendous amounts of money and skills just to survive with snow on the ground nerly half a year. Its not blamy Egypt. Islam equals Albanian levels of squalor or more.
I fully expect counter Muslim street violence particularly in Eastern Germany where young women left ling ago, its mostly male, and preferential treatment is given to would be conquerors.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @map
“the new Muslim Fraternity party”
Probably should be translated into English as “Muslim Brotherhood,” I would think.
I think you are probably correct.
Even the few white people who might want to bomb the NAACP probably wouldn’t bother, because they know they would need to listen to six months of propaganda in the media that would make the bombing counter productive to their cause.
Whenever these sorts of attacks are directed at any left wing person or organization, there’s probably an 80% chance they attacked themselves. Their identities are shaped by the idea of being victims – and to be a proper victim one needs to be overtly victimized, at least once in a while.
Could a book in the US about the Reconquista get published,
Though it is not about the Reconquista, Pat Buchanan wrote Suicide of a Super Power, which covered the ongoing demographic transformation of this nation. He even included a chapter called The End of White America where he laid out the facts and figures of immigration rates, white birth rates, etc.
Because the tone of that chapter was somewhat remorseful about the impending fate of white America, MSNBC decided to sever ties with Buchanan.
“The ideas he put forth aren’t really appropriate for national dialogue, much less the dialogue on MSNBC,”
Of course if one welcomes the end of white America, the reception is quite different. Apparently that topic is appropriate for national dialogue.
Why can I almost always guess that something was translated from French just by reading it? It just reads so…triumphant/pompous/majestic/regal.
The contrary derive their sense of moral superiority from opposition to the majority. They’ll never admit they were wrong.
“Could a book in the US about the Reconquista get published”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanac_of_the_Dead
Marion Maréchal-Le Pen could play herself in the film version of this fictional biopic set in the near future. Check out the photos of her and her aunt in this UMP hit piece: " ... like the queen asking the mirror 'who is the fairest of them all' ... their growing feminine rivalry is a story as old as the world ..."
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2013/06/07/01002-20130607ARTFIG00484-front-national-marion-versus-marine.php
Marion is supposedly more right-wing than her aunt and Jean-Marie thinks she's smarter, according to an unfriendly newspaper. Marion marched in the anti-gay marriage protests while Marine didn't and Marion represents a more hardline region in the south.Replies: @gzu
Good God, she is my age!
I’m sorry, but what a hotty.
One ignored part of the story is that Houllebecq is pointing out in so many words that, having been reduced to relying on our women to save our civilization, we have already lost. He explicitly states in his Paris Review article that feminism is bound to lose, and seems to hint that the feminization of European nationalism is a sad testament to its impotence and inevitable failure. He actually equates it to the black Madonna. The symbolism is impossible to ignore.
As far as I can tell, the overriding lesson is that feminism has to be stamped out for us to survive. Can we do that? Probably not. Hence Muslims win.
Houllebecq says he can “make arrangements:”
Yes, if we’re being completely honest, I could make arrangements too. Better Sharia than feminist hell on earth.
I think she came to the same conclusion as you. If she had stayed Catholic, she would not be allowed to dress modestly, stay home, and have a lot of children.
What people don't take into account is age and gender distribution. The numbers that matter are not voters but young men of prime fighting age and given the age distribution - especially among illegals - the tipping point in that demographic will happen long before the electoral tipping point. For example if muslims were 16% then they might be 32% of young men, add say 4% for illegals and then remember they are concentrated in the cities and you soon have c. 60% of young men in the cities. Some incident will spark the standard rioting and the point will have been reached where the rioters simply overwhelm the police and that will be that. France will turn into Lebanon.Replies: @Whiskey, @Dave Pinsen
Yes. And cities are very bad places tobe in civil wars. As Vdares Kirkpatrick wrote, every White Frenchman knows there will either be Islam somewhere along isis lines or the kick all Muslims out by force and ultra violence.
Houllebecq is wrong. There is no room for converts at any apprrciable levels as Abu Hamza and others have said. Whites will be slaves, often according to Islamic law castrated if men, or put to the sword. Qutb makes the same points. White women will be concubines or domestic servants.
And Islam can’t work in Europe. Europeans need tremendous amounts of money and skills just to survive with snow on the ground nerly half a year. Its not blamy Egypt. Islam equals Albanian levels of squalor or more.
I fully expect counter Muslim street violence particularly in Eastern Germany where young women left ling ago, its mostly male, and preferential treatment is given to would be conquerors.
I cannot imagine that the Finns or Poles like Arabs any more than the Germans but they have been spared so far due to their comparative underdevelopment. If Newspapers in Britain cannot publish what needs to be published and politicians cannot not say what needs to be said then they might need to start a new out group / in group strategy. You can see inklings of this with Russia reaching out to the French right and other Nationalists parties trying to find common ground. This would accelerate with right wing European governments and America, the multi-culti world cop, getting nudged out of Europe.
To some degree this is already being tested with the current fracas in Ukraine. America’s one big chip in the game is NATO whereas the EU has trade. Eventually, American will no longer be ‘European’ by blood or culture so they best start looking for new allies now.Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
“You can see inklings of this with Russia reaching out to the French right and other Nationalists parties trying to find common ground.”
Russia is also funding far left parties and Islamic organizations in some countries (they seem to see an opportunity to appeal to Muslim minorities as a more Islam friendly country). They just want to see the EU crash as they see themselves permanently out of the great game if they end up stuck between an European superstate and China.
Expecting any common ground with Russia on this issue is extremely strange. A newspaper like Charlie Hebdo would be unthinkable in Russia and banned in an instant. If Vladimir Putin opens his mouth on it he’s going to say obligatory condolences and platitudes about the horrors of terrorism but he won’t say much about the importance of free speech. On attitudes towards blasphemy Russia is much closer to the Islamic world than to France: Russia would have put all these French satirists in prison for mocking Mohammed long ago and most Russians would have agreed with the sentence.
Americans and some Western Europeans have bizarre ideas about Russia and Islam probably because they think Chechnya means that Russia is some enemy of Islam but it’s just about separatism. If the West pushes issues like freedom of speech, Russians are mostly going to side with the Islamic world, and they’re already at work with this trying to present themselves as the alternative to the West that can provide Western expertise without Western blasphemers.
And don’t forget the SWPL pussy factor. If it comes down to contemporary young urban white males vs. Muslims in real combat, I know who I’d bet on.
Masculine white guys are overwhelmingly concentrated outside of city centers. The police are all the white liberals have to cover their precious little behinds, and they are doing their best to alienate them every day. Honestly, if I were a Parisien cop, I would have felt disgusted if I were assigned to protect Charlie Hebdo.
Speaking of which, since when did free speech become a positive right?
As far as I understand, as American liberals so frequently remind us these days, the 1st amendment doesn’t say anything about the state’s responsibility to protect people from the consequences of their speech. The idea is that the state shall not punish them for it.
The 2nd amendment provides the means by which citizens can defend themselves from assaults on their liberty, so clearly free speech and self defense go hand in hand. The French allow neither, so it follows that by giving Charlie Hebdo police protection the French state was actually subsidizing the magazine’s obscenity.
Therefore, this incident has nothing to do with freedom of the press, and everything to do with the state sponsored privilege that far-left vulgarians enjoy in liberal European cities today.
Let the Muslims pay for their crime, but keep in mind that if this had happened to a prominent European who shares our views Charlie Hebdo would be first in line to mock his or her death with some scrawled obscenity.
What people don't take into account is age and gender distribution. The numbers that matter are not voters but young men of prime fighting age and given the age distribution - especially among illegals - the tipping point in that demographic will happen long before the electoral tipping point. For example if muslims were 16% then they might be 32% of young men, add say 4% for illegals and then remember they are concentrated in the cities and you soon have c. 60% of young men in the cities. Some incident will spark the standard rioting and the point will have been reached where the rioters simply overwhelm the police and that will be that. France will turn into Lebanon.Replies: @Whiskey, @Dave Pinsen
I don’t know about rioters overwhelming the police. The French have a national force of head breakers, the CRS. They also have competent armed forces, if it came to that.
“Lot says:
France’s immigration problem is not nearly as bad as the USA’s.
The most recent year for which they have statistics is 2008, and France received about 90,000 immigrants from Africa (north and south). With a population of 66 million, that is one African immigrant per 730 native residents.”
Immigration is not their only problem. The fraction of France’s population that is muslim is not precisely known, however it is estimated to be between 5-10%. Most of them are Algerians whom the French government arrogantly and foolishly insisted were “francais” no different than any real frenchman from Dijon or Armagnac.
That’s a lot of people – and potentially a big problem.
If there is hope, for France or the Anglosphere, it lies in the proles, the Celtic proles. (To borrow from Winston Smith).
At this point I fear that even Nationalist electoral victories may not save the West. I fear Western Enlightenment Civilisation is dying, and what comes after will not be a comfortable return to the Christian Middle Ages. Totalitarian Humanism + Islamic Terror is killing it.
Oh, tsk tsk tsk. Globalism go down the hole. So close and yet so far away.
All those who were rubbing their hands at the end of the White world. Too bad, so sad.
Coexist just didn’t make the bestseller list. People don’t want the shit sandwich.
These premature diatribes at how inevitable the future is, is the reason they always lose. They can’t help it you know. Self-control is just not their nature.
Imagine a football team spiking the ball midfield before they score the winning touchdown. Always the same really.
The media. Yeah OK. What media? The TV no one watches? The newpapers no one reads? How about those magazines that billionaires buy for a dollar to keep them from shutting down?
It was the Winter of Discontent, and the clueless media plays on to an empty theatre and the people plot their revenge while their supposed betters plan their escapes and pack their bags for safer climes.
“Yes, if we’re being completely honest, I could make arrangements too. Better Sharia than feminist hell on earth.”
This is the nub of the issue.
Yeah, current adherents of Islam are backwards and all, but Europeans ended up surpassing those that brought Christianity to Europe. It could easily happen again.
The current regime in the West has supplanted a Christian based ethical system with an atheistic, materialistic one. The Soviets tried this, it failed. It is failing in the West now – as they say, few soldiers would go to their death with “Long live free trade” or “gay marriage” as their dying wish.
The West could prosper under Islam, would probably morph their dialect to one that better suits their inclinations, as, say, the Indonesians have done.
The West has become heathenized and many are seeking a new belief system whether they know it or not. The zealotry of SJWs is a good example of this.
African American culture has managed to become popular with (non-black) youth, something nobody would have believed when I was young. Islam is less of a stretch and might even have greater appeal since it provides a moral code that aligns better (if imperfectly) with values that have proven enduring in the West for centuries.
A better question might be, “If not Islam, what else then?”. An atomized society of vacuous, soulless consumers is just a disorganized mob that can only be ordered by harsh externalities, i.e, prison rules, as communism has shown and cultural Marxism is again demonstrating. Christianity is not making a comeback, that is for sure. If forced to choose, without a third alternative, between Islam and Christianity, your average typical SWPL would likely choose Islam, at least it might seem a little daring, forbidden, and edgy.
I’d probably prefer to send my kids to an Islamic school, assuming good academics, rather than the typical PC U.S. public one.
And as for the Indonesians, to what extent did 500 years of Dutch colonization influence them with respect to Islam? Is that why they've filed down the rough edges of it a bit, or is it something else?
I’ve always maintained that another French author, Pierre Boulle, was more perceptive than either H’beq or Raspail in having an intuitive and prophetic gift for warning the reader just where this immigration cataclysm was headed.
We must remember that Planet of the Apes was written right at the very very start of the immigration disaster – when the influx was just a trickle ‘just a few hundred thousand, not enough to fill Wembley Stadium’, as those old enough with long enough memories can recall.
Somehow, Boulle at that very early point, knew exactly of the scale, nature and magnitude of what would eventually unfold. He got it right down to a ‘T’ – the enslavement of dumb white French sheep by those brought in as ‘cheap labor’ will certainly come to pass.
Planet of the Apes was never meant as a fairy tale.
You make a good case for the civic benefit of religion, but why Islam? Why not, say, Mormonism, or Evangelical Christianity?
And as for the Indonesians, to what extent did 500 years of Dutch colonization influence them with respect to Islam? Is that why they’ve filed down the rough edges of it a bit, or is it something else?
Do people really think Europe is doomed, somehow in a worse position than the US demographically? That's amazing.
If all this Euro-trashing is meant to wake up Americans to threats of White dispossession here, let me join the bandwagon, but I'm not reading it that way. I'm reading an attempt to demoralize and create more justification for US meddling in the Middle-East circa Mark Steyn and his ilk.Replies: @Falafel
You’re suggesting that much American commentary about European problems is actually ‘disguised’ discussion about conditions in the U.S.? Interesting theory. It would indeed be a way to discuss things like race wars and ethnic cleansing without triggering the P.C. alarms that would go off if the discussion were explicitly about America. This kind of conspiratorial thinking doesn’t come naturally to most people though.
By 2017 it will be largely forgotten. Too bad the election are not this weekend.
Masculine white guys are overwhelmingly concentrated outside of city centers. The police are all the white liberals have to cover their precious little behinds, and they are doing their best to alienate them every day. Honestly, if I were a Parisien cop, I would have felt disgusted if I were assigned to protect Charlie Hebdo.
Speaking of which, since when did free speech become a positive right?
As far as I understand, as American liberals so frequently remind us these days, the 1st amendment doesn't say anything about the state's responsibility to protect people from the consequences of their speech. The idea is that the state shall not punish them for it.
The 2nd amendment provides the means by which citizens can defend themselves from assaults on their liberty, so clearly free speech and self defense go hand in hand. The French allow neither, so it follows that by giving Charlie Hebdo police protection the French state was actually subsidizing the magazine's obscenity.
Therefore, this incident has nothing to do with freedom of the press, and everything to do with the state sponsored privilege that far-left vulgarians enjoy in liberal European cities today.
Let the Muslims pay for their crime, but keep in mind that if this had happened to a prominent European who shares our views Charlie Hebdo would be first in line to mock his or her death with some scrawled obscenity.Replies: @reiner Tor
I guess it’s taken for granted that they are protected from murder.
Houllebecq is wrong. There is no room for converts at any apprrciable levels as Abu Hamza and others have said. Whites will be slaves, often according to Islamic law castrated if men, or put to the sword. Qutb makes the same points. White women will be concubines or domestic servants.
And Islam can't work in Europe. Europeans need tremendous amounts of money and skills just to survive with snow on the ground nerly half a year. Its not blamy Egypt. Islam equals Albanian levels of squalor or more.
I fully expect counter Muslim street violence particularly in Eastern Germany where young women left ling ago, its mostly male, and preferential treatment is given to would be conquerors.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @map
Which is why the princes of the oil states, at any rate, have a vested interest in keeping Europe infidel. They don’t want to lose their playgrounds and their real estate investments. At least the UK, Switzerland, and the Austrian alps have to stay in the hands of the kafir. If the Saudis are rational, they will probably look for ways to slap down North African inspired Islamic insurrections in Europe before they get out of hand.
Bill P makes a great point. We should honor the irreverent, iconoclastic, rebellious spirit of Hebdo by laughing at their violent deaths at the hands of those most protected by the left. They probably wouldn’t want it any other way.
The dead cops, on the other hand, are a tragedy. No reason people in a typically conservative profession should have to die defending the likes of Hebdo.
This speculation fits in quite nicely with the life trajectory of French Soldier of Fortune Bob Denard.
Houllebecq is wrong. There is no room for converts at any apprrciable levels as Abu Hamza and others have said. Whites will be slaves, often according to Islamic law castrated if men, or put to the sword. Qutb makes the same points. White women will be concubines or domestic servants.
And Islam can't work in Europe. Europeans need tremendous amounts of money and skills just to survive with snow on the ground nerly half a year. Its not blamy Egypt. Islam equals Albanian levels of squalor or more.
I fully expect counter Muslim street violence particularly in Eastern Germany where young women left ling ago, its mostly male, and preferential treatment is given to would be conquerors.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @map
Whiskey is right. There is no conversion to Islam.
It’s funny, I was pondering the same thing the other night.
The fact is the various European governments are complicit in their own demise and, politically, there is no will to turn things around. The lack of a First Amendment in those countries makes it very easy to criminalize any speech that calls attention to what is happening. Add to that the lack of anything resembling the 2A in any European state- their various governments have a monopoly on force which would be directed at any nascent nationalistic group that attempted to organize against what is a de facto Muslim invasion of Europe. And there is no Charles Martel or Jan Sobieski as far as I can see on the horizon.
But you know what? There is, I think, an organized para-military group that does have some weapons (albeit probably soaked in cosomoline and buried in field in Roscommon), experience fighting a fourth generation war within a European state, with a strong sense of tribal and national identity, and the ability to recruit young men to the cause. Now, for all I know – the IRA is just a burnt out shell of itself – mainly a criminal organization involved in gun running to 101 MC’s in Cali, but who knows. It’s an interesting thought.
I lived in Ireland for a year in the West for about a year back in the 90’s and I don’t remember seeing any Saracens and, presuming the Eurabia continues to expand at pace, I find it hard to think that a bunch of white guys who waged war against another bunch of whites guys for pretty small patch of land are just gonna shrug their shoulders when Muhammad & Co. decide to move in.
That being said – I presume Ireland has been inundated with the same moral sickness as the rest of Europe and its people are suicidally acquiescing to their replacement and/or conversion. (Although, I do remember some article Vox linked to on his blog awhile back where there was some street level action taken).
It would be interesting to here from any iStever on the ground (North or South) over there on the topic.
“You make a good case for the civic benefit of religion, but why Islam? Why not, say, Mormonism, or Evangelical Christianity?”
Well, for better or worse, it certainly is in a vigorous phase currently. It isn’t scared of a thing in the modern world, which is unlike vacillating Christianity where even the hardcore evangelical denominations are PC, and which attracts both young women and young men.
But beyond that, probably more just right place/right time. Christianity is worn out in the west, a failed god that died in the trenches of 1914-1918. Probably more of Christianity ruling itself out than Islam being a great draw.
“I don’t know about rioters overwhelming the police. The French have a national force of head breakers, the CRS.”
They overwhelmed the police in the outer ring of most cities years ago. The police hold the line at the inner ring but the tipping point is very close.
Don’t forget a riot isn’t a one off battle it’s a series of battles over days so the police get worn down through injury and tiredness.
“They also have competent armed forces”
Sure, like I say, civil war. When the tipping point comes and mobs have overwhelmed the police and are heading towards where the 1% live then they’ll authorize deadly force and it will be on, Northern Ireland like at first with snipers and bombs gradually morphing into full on Lebanon style civil war as they get more weapons.
The Japanese samurais left the 1% in Kyoto, who used to have and rule everything till the Samurais had other ideas around 1150, largely alone, and they lived in their imaginary world in increasing penury, ignored by virtually everyone else, all the way till 1868. A few of them joined the rebellion against the samurais and became ennobled, but they do not really play a major role in today's Japan.
One of the gun websites I read – thetruthaboutguns.com – is run by an Ashkenazi libertarian whose grandmother (or other relatives) saw the inside of an oven actual and learned a lesson from it that many of his tribe did not. Since traditionally most gun writers were (and are) core American stock, it’s interesting to see the corrosive acidity of Ashkenazi reductionism applied to anti-2A arguments and gun reviews.
That being said, “noticing things” is strongly discouraged and your comments will be deleted after everyone jumps in and accuses you of being a member of Stromfront, advocating the return of Jim Crows, or because raaacciiss. And the website owner seems to really, really believe that black people and Mexicans are the future of the 2A, so the NRA needs to branch out more. The even more hilarious (or sad) part is that 90% of the guys who comment seem to be high functioning and articulate white guys.
Pretty much par for the course, I know. But here’s were it gets interesting, well, at least to me -with regards to the Paris is attack (and Eurabia) a lot of stuff got through that if anybody took, say, 2 seconds to think it over would realize could be applied to here in the US. Of course, 90% of the commetariat at TTAG hates, hates, England, Europe and socialism (which is the real problem, don’t ya know) in general, so that may have something to do with.
So, to me, it is not really a conspiracy. You can think and speak clearly about what is going in another country without, say, applying the same analysis to your own, like the guys at TTAG. But I think a lot of people know what is going on in the US, are profoundly disquieted by it, and it does give them a way to articulate what is for many, at best, an inchoate sense of the creeping imposition of America v2.0. Also, I think it could be used as a tool to inoculate yourself against “raccissss” when you start unpacking HBD/iSteve themes with the sheeple.
Whites do seem to be able to focus on some abstraction almost to the point of death eg upholding the 2A while the world goes to hell around them.
“France’s immigration problem is not nearly as bad as the USA’s.”
It’s much worse.
When considering the prospect of civil war the most important aspect – even more than the relative numbers of young men – is the relative bloc sizes. A country the size of France with say twenty million recent low-skilled immigrants from twenty different ethnic blocs is less at risk of open civil war than one with ten million immigrants all from the same ethnno-sectarian bloc.
It’s the difference between us vs them and us vs them vs them vs them vs them vs them etc.
That is a point worth noting among all the white nationalists who lurk around here, or to anyone else who thinks that America was once "their" country. To the so-called enlightened elites, middle class and poor whites are just one more set of special interests in a grander divide-and-conquer strategy.
As for France, it has not yet restarted the game in which Algerians (or in this case, the sons of Algerians) pair off and wage war against each other. But perhaps there's time yet.
I heard a story that in Switzerland during the Football (soccer) Euro Cup at the Switzerland-Turkey match there were a lot of Turkish and Swiss fans, and the police had to be employed to prevent a bloody fight. It turned out that the Turkish fans were mostly Turks living in Switzerland (or neighboring Germany), but the most violent Swiss fans were actually Kurds living in Switzerland (and probably also from Germany), who normally care very little about the Swiss National Team, but when they are playing against Turkey, they were willing to riot on behalf of the Swiss. So all the "Swiss" violence came from Kurds.
It's much worse.
When considering the prospect of civil war the most important aspect - even more than the relative numbers of young men - is the relative bloc sizes. A country the size of France with say twenty million recent low-skilled immigrants from twenty different ethnic blocs is less at risk of open civil war than one with ten million immigrants all from the same ethnno-sectarian bloc.
It's the difference between us vs them and us vs them vs them vs them vs them vs them etc.Replies: @HA, @reiner Tor
“It’s the difference between us vs them and us vs them vs them vs them vs them vs them etc.”
That is a point worth noting among all the white nationalists who lurk around here, or to anyone else who thinks that America was once “their” country. To the so-called enlightened elites, middle class and poor whites are just one more set of special interests in a grander divide-and-conquer strategy.
As for France, it has not yet restarted the game in which Algerians (or in this case, the sons of Algerians) pair off and wage war against each other. But perhaps there’s time yet.
Everybody’s talking as if they can predict 2022, when no one can predict anything in a minute.
The current horror in France isn’t over. A couple of people, perhaps associated with the Hebdo terrorists, took over a Kosher deli. Four hostages were killed. The original terrorists also took hostages and one was killed.
This could go on for days. No one can possibly predict what the effect will be.
Predictions are all wishful thinking, anyway, so let me rip one: The hollowed out shell of the Catholic Church, with its flabby, faggy clerisy, is swept away by militant orders of warrior monks. And Europe becomes the scene of a religious civil war. Christianity wins.
If Labour wins....Replies: @Lurker
Lets not lose sight of the fact that despite having the word ‘Nationalist’ in their name the SNP are not equivalent to say FN in France. The SNP is taken relatively seriously by the UK MSM and its leader is rarely ridiculed by the approved state jesters aka edgy stand ups. A sure sign it meets with elite approval.
Eg SNP seem to to believe that one problem with the Westminster government is that its waay too racist and its not welcoming nearly enough immigrants.
If the Scottish Nationalist party were to team with Labour, that would create a hard core left gov't in UK. It would mollycoddle Muslims in a way that would make the current situation look like kindegarten. And that would produce a very strong reaction among the English. Minority occupation gov'ts produce reactions.
See also those white South Africans who remain, just about keeping the infrastructure going while bit by bit they are ethnically cleansed.
Whites do seem to be able to focus on some abstraction almost to the point of death eg upholding the 2A while the world goes to hell around them.
"I don’t know about rioters overwhelming the police. The French have a national force of head breakers, the CRS."
They overwhelmed the police in the outer ring of most cities years ago. The police hold the line at the inner ring but the tipping point is very close.
Don't forget a riot isn't a one off battle it's a series of battles over days so the police get worn down through injury and tiredness.
"They also have competent armed forces"
Sure, like I say, civil war. When the tipping point comes and mobs have overwhelmed the police and are heading towards where the 1% live then they'll authorize deadly force and it will be on, Northern Ireland like at first with snipers and bombs gradually morphing into full on Lebanon style civil war as they get more weapons.Replies: @Lurker, @colm
That is seeing through a law & order perspective. In an all out fight Ive no doubt the French would crush the invaders in very short order. Just as they would in any white country. Thats why the elites need to keep a lid on things for years yet, to make the demographics far more favourable.
"I don’t know about rioters overwhelming the police. The French have a national force of head breakers, the CRS."
They overwhelmed the police in the outer ring of most cities years ago. The police hold the line at the inner ring but the tipping point is very close.
Don't forget a riot isn't a one off battle it's a series of battles over days so the police get worn down through injury and tiredness.
"They also have competent armed forces"
Sure, like I say, civil war. When the tipping point comes and mobs have overwhelmed the police and are heading towards where the 1% live then they'll authorize deadly force and it will be on, Northern Ireland like at first with snipers and bombs gradually morphing into full on Lebanon style civil war as they get more weapons.Replies: @Lurker, @colm
The 1% will be left alone. They will continue to live in their increasingly slumized cocoons, quite irrevalent to anything else.
The Japanese samurais left the 1% in Kyoto, who used to have and rule everything till the Samurais had other ideas around 1150, largely alone, and they lived in their imaginary world in increasing penury, ignored by virtually everyone else, all the way till 1868. A few of them joined the rebellion against the samurais and became ennobled, but they do not really play a major role in today’s Japan.
Actually, I’m trying to make a point about the law, and I think it’s an important one. First, let’s start with the fact that the state is not obliged to protect anyone from murder or other crimes; it only punishes those who commit crimes. This is a practical necessity.
In the case of Charlie Hebdo, they were being protected by police for their speech in a country that outlaws many forms of speech. Other, less fashionable opinions – such as Steve Sailer’s – would merit no protection in France and could probably be prosecuted.
So what I’m getting at is that this special protection is a violation of free speech as we understand it. It also violates the spirit of the concept, and it does so by positing some imaginary positive right to draw obscene caricatures of religious figures, when in fact revolutionary Americans such as Thomas Jefferson would have held that the state has no more responsibility to affirmatively protect such speech than it does to protect a man who enters a tavern and proceeds to tell the men therein that he had slept with all their wives, and that their mothers are whores. Sure, the man may be free to say these things under the law, but should he be entitled to a police escort while doing so?
When we start defining free speech as speech that must be positively protected by the state, then some speech automatically becomes more free than other sorts, because the state can and will decide who is protected and who is not. That’s my point.
It's much worse.
When considering the prospect of civil war the most important aspect - even more than the relative numbers of young men - is the relative bloc sizes. A country the size of France with say twenty million recent low-skilled immigrants from twenty different ethnic blocs is less at risk of open civil war than one with ten million immigrants all from the same ethnno-sectarian bloc.
It's the difference between us vs them and us vs them vs them vs them vs them vs them etc.Replies: @HA, @reiner Tor
Immigrants are not totally homogenous in France or Germany etc. either. In a civil war Muslim Algerians and Muslim Turks might join Muslim Moroccans and Muslim Senegalese, but I’m sure there will be frictions. Not to mention immigrant groups that outright hate each other: Arab vs. Berber Algerians might hate each other more than the French. Kurds with Turkish passports might hate Turks more than the French.
I heard a story that in Switzerland during the Football (soccer) Euro Cup at the Switzerland-Turkey match there were a lot of Turkish and Swiss fans, and the police had to be employed to prevent a bloody fight. It turned out that the Turkish fans were mostly Turks living in Switzerland (or neighboring Germany), but the most violent Swiss fans were actually Kurds living in Switzerland (and probably also from Germany), who normally care very little about the Swiss National Team, but when they are playing against Turkey, they were willing to riot on behalf of the Swiss. So all the “Swiss” violence came from Kurds.
There is no chance at all of an FN government unless it is with the next few years, and that would require the FN going from its current 2MPs to 200MPs.
Add immigration to the fact that over a third of births in France are non-white, and you will come to understand why nothing can work. Those under thirty will be mainly non-white.
The habit of referring to women in the Muslim world as living “in the middle ages” is rhetorically bothersome. Women in European Christendom during the later Middle Ages were, by world-historical standards, remarkably free to do and dress as they liked, probably even more free than women in the Victorian era. Women in the Islamic world in those centuries were largely just as restricted in dress and behavior as they are in most of the Islamic world today. The Islamic world is not “behind” the West in a temporal sense, it’s just a fundamentally different place.
As far as I can tell, the overriding lesson is that feminism has to be stamped out for us to survive. Can we do that? Probably not. Hence Muslims win.
Houllebecq says he can "make arrangements:"Yes, if we're being completely honest, I could make arrangements too. Better Sharia than feminist hell on earth.Replies: @Gallo-Roman, @WhatEvvs
Who’s this “we” and why have they been relying on women to save civilization? Too busy enjoying the fleshpots of modernity themselves to be bothered fighting the good fight? If the claim is that “nationalism”, that stigmatized counter to the feminism-addled reigning power structure, has also been hopelessly feminized, how did that come to be? Feminists took their balls and co-opted every single channel of dissent, so there’s nothing in it but to sit around like fat eunuchs waiting for the Saracen to improve their degraded lot?
Or, maybe that’s a facile explanation for lazy thinkers and a handy excuse for non-action for lazy degenerates who still, touchingly, want to think well of themselves. I enjoy the vision of Western feminists being stuffed into burkas as much as the next dyspeptic reactionary, but not so glib-minded that I think that would do anything but address a particular symptom of our problem.
Sure, and why shouldn’t you? That’s what I would do, if I were you.
In the case of Charlie Hebdo, they were being protected by police for their speech in a country that outlaws many forms of speech. Other, less fashionable opinions - such as Steve Sailer's - would merit no protection in France and could probably be prosecuted.
So what I'm getting at is that this special protection is a violation of free speech as we understand it. It also violates the spirit of the concept, and it does so by positing some imaginary positive right to draw obscene caricatures of religious figures, when in fact revolutionary Americans such as Thomas Jefferson would have held that the state has no more responsibility to affirmatively protect such speech than it does to protect a man who enters a tavern and proceeds to tell the men therein that he had slept with all their wives, and that their mothers are whores. Sure, the man may be free to say these things under the law, but should he be entitled to a police escort while doing so?
When we start defining free speech as speech that must be positively protected by the state, then some speech automatically becomes more free than other sorts, because the state can and will decide who is protected and who is not. That's my point.Replies: @reiner Tor
I didn’t understand it the first time, but yeah, I guess you’re correct about it. A great point, actually.
I would like to publicly apologize for having, in a previous comment, suggested that if Steve wrote a novel, it would be boring. I didn’t mean it of course. (And kudos to the retort by someone that Steve’s novel wouldn’t be called “Resistance”, but “When You Are In A Hole, Stop Digging”). I have long happily submitted to Steve’s high entertainment value, good instincts, and sharp insights. Pretty fly for an old American white guy.
I could write pages about the strange, schizophrenic mood in Paris and suburbs right now, but it’s too much of a downer. Didn’t the US feel genuinely united in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 (or was that hype)? There is no unity in France, I am sorry to say, except officially. There are at least four factions: Nice People Like Us, The Ostracized Right-Wing Extremists, Muslims and Suburban Youths, and Hardcore Leftists.
When You Are In A Hole — Ah Just Bury Us In It.
In NYC people behaved with spontaneous nobility. All our normal hatreds were put aside in the immediate wake of the attacks.
If you weren't actually working at Ground Zero ("the pile") you went to a local church to pack bag lunches. People went up to police vehicles and fire trucks and blessed them. In one instance which I saw personally a truck laden with construction materials going south. We knew they were going to the pile and we cheered and saluted. Being the undemonstrative type, I felt embarrassed at cheering and clapping like that, but I did.
We put candles and other votive items at every ladder company for months on end. I believe that the tradition in the US started on 9-11.
Unfortunately the official reaction from Bush was "go shopping." Then what happened, happened, and the original unity became buried over with bitter divisions. But the unity after 9-11 happened. It was real.
“The Internet is full of observations that Likud lost eight straight general elections before becoming the dominant party in Israel.”
An even stronger Israeli analogy would be Ariel Sharon taking a stupendous 75% of the vote to become PM after six months of out-of-control terrorism. A few years earlier he would have been lucky to win 10%.
BTW your scenario is a heckuva lot more plausible than Houillëbæqcque’s.
I was just reading a quote from a history of England about how Shakespeare was remarkably ahead of his time in terms of thinking about “gender hierarchies” because there are women in his plays and he takes them seriously. I pointed out that the first 39 years of his life, his monarch was a woman.
Eg SNP seem to to believe that one problem with the Westminster government is that its waay too racist and its not welcoming nearly enough immigrants.Replies: @WhatEvvs
I’m well aware of what you say.
If the Scottish Nationalist party were to team with Labour, that would create a hard core left gov’t in UK. It would mollycoddle Muslims in a way that would make the current situation look like kindegarten. And that would produce a very strong reaction among the English. Minority occupation gov’ts produce reactions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzY2Qcu5i2A
I could write pages about the strange, schizophrenic mood in Paris and suburbs right now, but it's too much of a downer. Didn't the US feel genuinely united in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 (or was that hype)? There is no unity in France, I am sorry to say, except officially. There are at least four factions: Nice People Like Us, The Ostracized Right-Wing Extremists, Muslims and Suburban Youths, and Hardcore Leftists.
When You Are In A Hole -- Ah Just Bury Us In It.Replies: @WhatEvvs
It wasn’t hype, it was totally real.
In NYC people behaved with spontaneous nobility. All our normal hatreds were put aside in the immediate wake of the attacks.
If you weren’t actually working at Ground Zero (“the pile”) you went to a local church to pack bag lunches. People went up to police vehicles and fire trucks and blessed them. In one instance which I saw personally a truck laden with construction materials going south. We knew they were going to the pile and we cheered and saluted. Being the undemonstrative type, I felt embarrassed at cheering and clapping like that, but I did.
We put candles and other votive items at every ladder company for months on end. I believe that the tradition in the US started on 9-11.
Unfortunately the official reaction from Bush was “go shopping.” Then what happened, happened, and the original unity became buried over with bitter divisions. But the unity after 9-11 happened. It was real.
Speak for yourself.
I’m a married man raising three kids, all under ten years old, and thereby addressing the main problem presented by Western feminism: demographic decline. You think I have the time or energy to enjoy fleshpots or “degenerate” activities?
From your haughty tone, I suppose you must be taking far more effective action, but I wouldn’t know, because I have no idea who you are or what you’ve done.
But I suppose I can guess:
Single white childless male, white nationalist, prefers online anonymity because “too much to lose.”
Well my name’s Bill Price. I’ve written tons of stuff publicly, and I gave up pretty much everything I had to stay close to my kids from my first marriage and be the father I never had. So go ahead and call me a degenerate if that’s your opinion, but do it under your own name if you have any “balls” yourself.
As far as I can tell, the overriding lesson is that feminism has to be stamped out for us to survive. Can we do that? Probably not. Hence Muslims win.
Houllebecq says he can "make arrangements:"Yes, if we're being completely honest, I could make arrangements too. Better Sharia than feminist hell on earth.Replies: @Gallo-Roman, @WhatEvvs
There was a characteristically uncomprehending report on PBS about Muslims in France in the wake of the attack. One of the people who was featured was a native Frenchwoman, presumably Catholic, who converted to Islam upon marrying an imam. She now wears the full hijab without veil, and has 7 kids. She talked about how she puts up with all sorts of insults from other French people, esp. when they find out she’s ethnically French, and this bothers her, but she wouldn’t give up hijab for anything.
I think she came to the same conclusion as you. If she had stayed Catholic, she would not be allowed to dress modestly, stay home, and have a lot of children.
“militant orders of warrior-monks” LOL. Perhaps you could recruit at the next Renaissance Faire or at the Society for Creative Anachronism. Lord of the Rings/Game of Thrones cos-players v. the Islamic host.
I'm a married man raising three kids, all under ten years old, and thereby addressing the main problem presented by Western feminism: demographic decline. You think I have the time or energy to enjoy fleshpots or "degenerate" activities?
From your haughty tone, I suppose you must be taking far more effective action, but I wouldn't know, because I have no idea who you are or what you've done.
But I suppose I can guess:
Single white childless male, white nationalist, prefers online anonymity because "too much to lose."
Well my name's Bill Price. I've written tons of stuff publicly, and I gave up pretty much everything I had to stay close to my kids from my first marriage and be the father I never had. So go ahead and call me a degenerate if that's your opinion, but do it under your own name if you have any "balls" yourself.Replies: @Gallo-Roman
I took what you wrote to be your understanding of Houllebecq’s views, not necessarily your own. (That’s why I used “they”, not “you” in response to your description.) I have no knowledge and therefore no opinion on your personal state of degeneracy or lack thereof, and it’s irrelevant to whether it’s true or not that the general attitude you describe is often the passive-aggressive reaction of degenerates who want to blame everybody else’s behavior but their own for the current state of affairs. I most certainly think that’s true, and I do hold Western grovelers after Islam in contempt, whatever reasons they give for doing so. If that shoe doesn’t fit you, there’s no need to be all butthurt about it.
I also think that the conviction that “Western feminism” is the root cause of anybody’s demographic decline is indeed facile thinking, but good on you for raising a family.
Lol. No, middle-aged woman (white but hardly “white nationalist”), married, mother of a family. (So I wouldn’t have any balls even if I were to call you a degenerate under my own name.) But you’re welcome to think whatever you please as to why I prefer online anonymity.
Hi, Bill.
“Sure, and why shouldn’t you? That’s what I would do, if I were you.”
Parmenion: “If I were Alexander, I would accept the offer.”
Alexander: “So would I if I were Parmenion.”
Oh, OK. Middle-aged lady angrily denounces guys who aren’t so keen on defending contemporary Western society as degenerate, sackless eunuchs.
Well, maybe you don’t see it, but I think you just proved my (and Houllebecq’s) point.
Let’s see, hmm… Devoted brides in this life and houris in the next on one hand, soul-killing submission to entitled scolds on the other. What advantage could Islam possibly have with fighting-age men?
“In an all out fight Ive no doubt the French would crush the invaders in very short order. Just as they would in any white country.”
It won’t be an all-out fight.
It will be a Northern Ireland / Basque style separatist guerrilla campaign (except wholly urban).