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Never go full Open Borders.

It’s fascinating to see the Democratic Socialists of America converging with the Robert Bartley-era Wall Street Journal editorial page in endorsing absolute Open Borders.

 
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  1. Corporate communism.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    It's always the same Helphand...

    This time they don't even need Sealed Train.

    For example, those Financial Times scribes never bother to offer explanation how was even possible that "the future Soviet leader had spent the war in Switzerland, marooned on a neutral island in a sea of belligerents."

    https://www.afr.com/world/europe/how-vladimir-lenins-train-journey-from-switzerland-to-russia-changed-history-20161010-grykvk
  2. The rich and powerful of America will now come down on the DSA like a ton of bricks. They will have to go underground. They can’t hide in Canada or Europe either because there the ruling classes are just as ruthless in keeping out the Global South. I’m kidding, of course.

  3. Racism and ethnonationalism for me but not for thee, )))white goy(((:

    “It’s a Jewish building”: Brooklyn landlord accused of housing discrimination

    These are the sources on the first page of results @ google news search for zev pollak:

    The Real Deal
    Brooklyn Paper
    Gothamist
    Candadian Jewish News
    Patch.com
    The Times of Israel
    So Many Shows

    WOW, so no NYT, no NBC, no ABC, no CNN, no Fox News, no Breitbart…I’m fucking )))shocked(((.

    In )))our((( country.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I knew before checking the discrimination would be against Arabs or some such – not white people or Christians.

    Turns out the victims are everyone's favourite: Negroes.

    If they'd been a family of white Methodists (from Georgia!) you'd never hear about it even in those venues that did mention it. Unless maybe in a piece refuting the family for being privileged scum who are racist and anti-Semitic for not appreciating the nuanced cultural history of "historically Jewish buildings" (I mean, hey, if the Negroes can have such colleges...).
    , @FPD72
    The suit refers to “this fundamental American principle of equality,” as related to the sale or rental of private sector housing, a principle that didn’t exist until the Fair Housing Act of 1965. Until then, the “fundamental principles” of private property, freedom of association, and the Federal Government restricted to its enumerated powers (albeit this one had been eroding since the 1930s) prevailed.
  4. Steve sailer said:

    It’s fascinating to see the Democratic Socialists of America converging with the Robert Bartley-era Wall Street Journal editorial page in endorsing absolute Open Borders.

    What is even more fascinating is to watch how the cultural identity Left has usurped the social equity Left over the past century. Ssuch that it is now pursuing policies directly antithetical to the original goals of socialism.

    Once upon a time, socialism meant the nationalisation of capitalist private property and the exclusion of foreign labour to elevate the wages of home labour. Now it means the globalisation of statist public property and the inclusion of foreign labour to depress the wages of home labour.

    With results that speak for themselves.

    This is a classic post-modernist liberal move – don’t just do things differently from the past – do the opposite. It’s as if we live in a clown world, directed by George Constanza.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Uh-oh... careful, there. It's not okay to endorse national socialism anymore, it will get you punched in the face (or imprisoned for until you die if you try to flee a crazed mob) because (((Reasons))).
    , @ben tillman
    Nationalization is also antithetical to the original goals of socialism. Socialism originally was class cooperation. Socialism like all ways of framing a healthy society abhorred centralization of wealth and power.
    , @eah
    Once upon a time, socialism meant the nationalisation of capitalist private property and the exclusion of foreign labour to elevate the wages of home labour. Now it means the globalisation of statist public property and the inclusion of foreign labour to depress the wages of home labour.

    What could be the difference between "foreign labour" then and now, which might account for this apparent difference in 'socialist' attitudes about it? -- I'm scratching my head... (also about what "statist public property" is).
  5. At least they’ve fully discarded all pretense. Mask is discarded.
    It’s like they are inviting all of Heritage America to join them in jumping of a cliff into an ocean of Globalist Solvent.
    Everything to chaos, full surrender to suicidal altruism & infinite upheaval.

  6. One wonders what the cultural haps were like in Weimar Germany — say, in about 1931?

    This is kind of like when you’re nearing the top of the roller coaster…click, click, click…

  7. So billions of people will be able to come to the US and get free medical care through Medicaid? That will work out well.

  8. Steve,

    A coprosperity sphere relationship forged in deepest darkest Hades: the DSA and the WSJ!

  9. “Never go full Open Borders.”

    I see what you did there

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Anon[168] writes, ==QUOTE== “Never go full Open Borders.”
    I see what you did there ==UNQUOTE==
    in reference to Steve Sailer's remark about the open-borders proposals of the Democratic Socialists of America (DAS). I do not see what Steve did there.
    Lockean Proviso asks ==QUOTE== Is “Never go full Open Borders” a reference to “Never go full Retard” in Tropic Thunder? Same thing, essentially. ==UNQUOTE== Is this a reference to a movie?
    Somebody please explain.
  10. The virgin toughguy conservative laughing at the DSA convention who has a grip of ARs he will never fire

    vs

    The CHAD snowflake attending the DSA convention who has dudes on speed dial that will put a brick through the con’s skull

    Hope everyone is doing great. My wife gave birth to our first child. Skin in the game

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Congrats and best wishes
    , @Anon
    So you think cracking people on the back of the head with bricks is cool? Have fun going to hell genetic trash.
    , @fish
    Congratulations! Wondered where you had wandered off to?
    , @AnotherDad

    Hope everyone is doing great. My wife gave birth to our first child. Skin in the game
     
    Huge congrats 27!

    The most memorable day of my life ... just about 27 years ago ... when AnotherChild1 came out screaming into this world. Holding her in my arms ... heck, i tear up now thinking about it.

    You do now truly have skin in the game. Unfortunately, like me that will make you even more pissed off about what our "elites" are doing to you and your child's future. Fortunately, this will be the most amazing and rewarding experience of your life.
  11. Is “Never go full Open Borders” a reference to “Never go full Retard” in Tropic Thunder?

    Same thing, essentially.

  12. Do the Democratic Socialists have any major donors yet? I’d imagine certain lobbyist groups would try to co-op on certain issues.

  13. Be it resolved that DSA hereby invites all 7.7 billion human beings on the planet to become members of DSA and to move to the United States if they do not already reside there.

  14. I knew socialists were stupid, but I thought they were just foolish idealists. But if they don’t even know that collectivism is antithetical to a large multicultural grievance society…well,that’s a special kind of dumb.

  15. OT: Could this be Steve’s new favorite Dodger?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Carrot Top?

    http://www.funcage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/carrot-top-muscle.jpg
    , @Reg Cæsar

    OT: Could this be Steve’s new favorite Dodger?
     
    He's certainly dodging the barber.
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    Weird Al Yankovic
  16. The DSA has given up on trying to win the support of the US working class. The organization thinks cheap labor from the third world is perhaps its best way forward.

  17. How amusing it is to see Reason magazine mocking the DSA over pronouns and gendering. Reason supports the same insane border policies. If we do get open borders all of the other stuff Reason holds dear like gun rights and limited government falls by the wayside. I’m sure they’ll be waving their pocket Constitutions in the air as the blindfolds and cigarettes are administered.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: L Woods
  18. Weigel’s point is very well taken: Instead of guffawing at the DSA positions, we need to begin from a position which the average millennial can grasp, and refute those positions logically. Failure to do so brings disastrous consequences. No one can afford to play anything of this stripe for fun anymore.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I don't know, though, Russ, I would hope that anyone, even a naive youngster, seeing that video that Steve put up yesterday would realize these people are batshit crazy. Nobody likes joining groups with people like that unless they are 12-step programs mandatory due to sentencing requirements.

    One's emotions upon seeing that video could matter a lot more than the logic of "none of this stuff can work." Just look at some of the Socialist alt-righter commenters. They don't know any better.
    , @FPD72
    By all means, because logical, rational, empirical argumentation in regards to immigration has been working so well
  19. So basically they’re just admitting now that socialism, as a coherent political theory, is dead — at least as far as the DSA is concerned. It’s about looting capitalism’s corpse, nothing more. No vision for the future, no ideas for what might come after.

    Sad!

  20. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    OT: Could this be Steve's new favorite Dodger?

    https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2019/0803/r578730_1296x729_16-9.jpg

    Carrot Top?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    https://youtu.be/lL0WayC7jW0

    "Do somethin' with that, you freak."
    , @Reg Cæsar
    http://www.bionicdisco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/David_Jolliffe_Room_222_1973.jpg


    But Bernie grew up:


    http://billmumy.com/jenerators/band/david1.jpg
  21. Sure, the DSA advocates for the rapid destruction of the United States.

    But they are absolutely SOLID on the JQ, so most Unzers will have to say they’re on balance OK.

    https://twitter.com/ChicagoCityDSA/status/893859571772555264/

    “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free!”

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    There's more to the JQ than anti-zionism ... a lot more.
  22. .. the uninhibited transnational free movement of people ..

    Wew. They might come to regret this. Don’t they know just how many people there are in say, Bangladesh, Pakistan and India?
    (the Chinese aren’t allowed out of the house much these days, but soon ..)

  23. @Russ
    Weigel's point is very well taken: Instead of guffawing at the DSA positions, we need to begin from a position which the average millennial can grasp, and refute those positions logically. Failure to do so brings disastrous consequences. No one can afford to play anything of this stripe for fun anymore.

    I don’t know, though, Russ, I would hope that anyone, even a naive youngster, seeing that video that Steve put up yesterday would realize these people are batshit crazy. Nobody likes joining groups with people like that unless they are 12-step programs mandatory due to sentencing requirements.

    One’s emotions upon seeing that video could matter a lot more than the logic of “none of this stuff can work.” Just look at some of the Socialist alt-righter commenters. They don’t know any better.

  24. @Svigor
    Racism and ethnonationalism for me but not for thee, )))white goy(((:

    “It’s a Jewish building”: Brooklyn landlord accused of housing discrimination

    These are the sources on the first page of results @ google news search for zev pollak:

    The Real Deal
    Brooklyn Paper
    Gothamist
    Candadian Jewish News
    Patch.com
    The Times of Israel
    So Many Shows

    WOW, so no NYT, no NBC, no ABC, no CNN, no Fox News, no Breitbart...I'm fucking )))shocked(((.

    In )))our((( country.

    I knew before checking the discrimination would be against Arabs or some such – not white people or Christians.

    Turns out the victims are everyone’s favourite: Negroes.

    If they’d been a family of white Methodists (from Georgia!) you’d never hear about it even in those venues that did mention it. Unless maybe in a piece refuting the family for being privileged scum who are racist and anti-Semitic for not appreciating the nuanced cultural history of “historically Jewish buildings” (I mean, hey, if the Negroes can have such colleges…).

  25. @Jack Strocchi
    Steve sailer said:

    It’s fascinating to see the Democratic Socialists of America converging with the Robert Bartley-era Wall Street Journal editorial page in endorsing absolute Open Borders.
     


    What is even more fascinating is to watch how the cultural identity Left has usurped the social equity Left over the past century. Ssuch that it is now pursuing policies directly antithetical to the original goals of socialism.

    Once upon a time, socialism meant the nationalisation of capitalist private property and the exclusion of foreign labour to elevate the wages of home labour. Now it means the globalisation of statist public property and the inclusion of foreign labour to depress the wages of home labour.

    With results that speak for themselves.

    This is a classic post-modernist liberal move - don't just do things differently from the past - do the opposite. It's as if we live in a clown world, directed by George Constanza.

    Uh-oh… careful, there. It’s not okay to endorse national socialism anymore, it will get you punched in the face (or imprisoned for until you die if you try to flee a crazed mob) because (((Reasons))).

    • Replies: @Jack Strocchi
    Autochthon said:

    Uh-oh… careful, there. It’s not okay to endorse national socialism anymore, it will get you punched in the face (or imprisoned for until you die if you try to flee a crazed mob) because (((Reasons))).
     
    I am not endorsing national socialism...or othrwise. The scalability of socialusm depends on the Hayekian computability of a distributed economy, and the size of Dunbars Number for the jurisdiction.

    Just pointing out the cultural contradictions of NewcLeft globalist socialism, which were avoided by the Old Left national socialists.

    NB I am an ardent semito-phile. Conservative nationalists should avoid semito-phobia like the plague, it is the " nationalism of fools".
  26. Surge the military to the border.

    Buy one billion dollars in Hesco bastions

    Transport and fill bastions with free rubble from a million square miles of federal lands.

    Place the bastion right on the border.

    Use force to keep invaders away from American lawyers.

    Round up invaders, deport.

  27. @Buzz Mohawk
    Carrot Top?

    http://www.funcage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/carrot-top-muscle.jpg

    “Do somethin’ with that, you freak.”

    • Replies: @guest
    That was refreshingly spontaneous, as Norm unlike virtually 99% of talk show guests often is.
  28. I support open borders. This means that Americans can take land in Mexico and central America and creat plantations. I expect full support from the local government and all service will be in English. It is my human right.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  29. But where do they go after the US goes full open borders? what else can they possible do re: immigration? Well I’ll tell you:

    The next logical step for the DSA is to demand that it be made illegal for migrants to not attempt to cross the US border. That way, every potential pre American that does not make every effort to cross the US border will be subject to immediate indictment in a court house in Boise, Idaho, Casper, Wyoming, St. George, Utah, or any other place that has a criminal lack of vibrant diversity.

  30. @Anon
    “Never go full Open Borders.”

    I see what you did there

    Anon[168] writes, ==QUOTE== “Never go full Open Borders.”
    I see what you did there ==UNQUOTE==
    in reference to Steve Sailer’s remark about the open-borders proposals of the Democratic Socialists of America (DAS). I do not see what Steve did there.
    Lockean Proviso asks ==QUOTE== Is “Never go full Open Borders” a reference to “Never go full Retard” in Tropic Thunder? Same thing, essentially. ==UNQUOTE== Is this a reference to a movie?
    Somebody please explain.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Watch Tropic Thunder.
    And just guessing here but also watch two sequences from Idiocracy: the intro with the family tree animation and the talking to plants bit.
    , @Lurker
    I think I've started it at the right place:

    https://youtu.be/X6WHBO_Qc-Q?t=83
    , @Kyle
    That isn’t the prompt for block quotes Einstein.
  31. The Koch Brothers also want open borders:

  32. @27 Years Old
    The virgin toughguy conservative laughing at the DSA convention who has a grip of ARs he will never fire

    vs

    The CHAD snowflake attending the DSA convention who has dudes on speed dial that will put a brick through the con's skull

    Hope everyone is doing great. My wife gave birth to our first child. Skin in the game

    Congrats and best wishes

  33. @Autochthon
    Uh-oh... careful, there. It's not okay to endorse national socialism anymore, it will get you punched in the face (or imprisoned for until you die if you try to flee a crazed mob) because (((Reasons))).

    Autochthon said:

    Uh-oh… careful, there. It’s not okay to endorse national socialism anymore, it will get you punched in the face (or imprisoned for until you die if you try to flee a crazed mob) because (((Reasons))).

    I am not endorsing national socialism…or othrwise. The scalability of socialusm depends on the Hayekian computability of a distributed economy, and the size of Dunbars Number for the jurisdiction.

    Just pointing out the cultural contradictions of NewcLeft globalist socialism, which were avoided by the Old Left national socialists.

    NB I am an ardent semito-phile. Conservative nationalists should avoid semito-phobia like the plague, it is the ” nationalism of fools”.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    Conservative nationalists should avoid semito-philia with as much cynicism and mistrust as they would any plague; the fact that it is not merely "the nationalism of convenience", but "the now-mandatory nationalism of convenience, by force of law" indicates why.

    What, exactly, is “anti-Semitism”? One standard dictionary definition is “hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group.” How this applies to me has never been explained. My “hostility” toward Israel is a desire not for war, but for neutrality – out of a sense of betrayal, waste, and shame. Our venal politicians have aligned us with a foreign country that behaves dishonorably. Most alleged “anti-Semites” would wince if Jews anywhere were treated as Israel treats its Arab subjects. Moreover, Israel has repeatedly betrayed its only benefactor, the United States.

    These are facts. Yet it’s not only politicians who are afraid to point them out; so are most journalists – the people who are supposed to be independent enough to say the things politicians can’t afford to say. In my thirty years in journalism, nothing has amazed me more than the prevalent fear in the profession of offending Jews, especially Zionist Jews.

    I’ve often noticed how eager and desperate mainstream conservatives are to avoid Jewish wrath. Again, they don’t just speak favorably of Israel: they refuse to acknowledge any cost to American interests in the U.S.-Israel alliance. They treat the two countries’ interests as identical; when they scold either government, it’s always – always – the U.S. Government for failing to support our “reliable ally.” They are frightened. You can sense this in their bluster, in the vicarious jingoism with which they address Israel. Their fear produces a peculiar intellectual thinness that pervades all their thinking on foreign policy. Individualists have been replaced by apparatchiks. Zionism has infiltrated conservatism in much the same way Communism once infiltrated liberalism.

    http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/21/3/Sobran12.html
     

  34. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Anon[168] writes, ==QUOTE== “Never go full Open Borders.”
    I see what you did there ==UNQUOTE==
    in reference to Steve Sailer's remark about the open-borders proposals of the Democratic Socialists of America (DAS). I do not see what Steve did there.
    Lockean Proviso asks ==QUOTE== Is “Never go full Open Borders” a reference to “Never go full Retard” in Tropic Thunder? Same thing, essentially. ==UNQUOTE== Is this a reference to a movie?
    Somebody please explain.

    Watch Tropic Thunder.
    And just guessing here but also watch two sequences from Idiocracy: the intro with the family tree animation and the talking to plants bit.

  35. They really think they’ll end up with the dachas while the BadWhites live in crumbling apartments, don’t they?

  36. @Jack Strocchi
    Steve sailer said:

    It’s fascinating to see the Democratic Socialists of America converging with the Robert Bartley-era Wall Street Journal editorial page in endorsing absolute Open Borders.
     


    What is even more fascinating is to watch how the cultural identity Left has usurped the social equity Left over the past century. Ssuch that it is now pursuing policies directly antithetical to the original goals of socialism.

    Once upon a time, socialism meant the nationalisation of capitalist private property and the exclusion of foreign labour to elevate the wages of home labour. Now it means the globalisation of statist public property and the inclusion of foreign labour to depress the wages of home labour.

    With results that speak for themselves.

    This is a classic post-modernist liberal move - don't just do things differently from the past - do the opposite. It's as if we live in a clown world, directed by George Constanza.

    Nationalization is also antithetical to the original goals of socialism. Socialism originally was class cooperation. Socialism like all ways of framing a healthy society abhorred centralization of wealth and power.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Nationalization is also antithetical to the original goals of socialism. Socialism originally was class cooperation.
     
    But no class signed up for it. So they had to pull out the guns.
  37. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Anon[168] writes, ==QUOTE== “Never go full Open Borders.”
    I see what you did there ==UNQUOTE==
    in reference to Steve Sailer's remark about the open-borders proposals of the Democratic Socialists of America (DAS). I do not see what Steve did there.
    Lockean Proviso asks ==QUOTE== Is “Never go full Open Borders” a reference to “Never go full Retard” in Tropic Thunder? Same thing, essentially. ==UNQUOTE== Is this a reference to a movie?
    Somebody please explain.

    I think I’ve started it at the right place:

  38. @27 Years Old
    The virgin toughguy conservative laughing at the DSA convention who has a grip of ARs he will never fire

    vs

    The CHAD snowflake attending the DSA convention who has dudes on speed dial that will put a brick through the con's skull

    Hope everyone is doing great. My wife gave birth to our first child. Skin in the game

    So you think cracking people on the back of the head with bricks is cool? Have fun going to hell genetic trash.

  39. I take open borders as a given for all major political parties, except for a few cabals and individuals sprinkled here and there. That “point-and-laugh” stuff, on the other hand, is vital because it gets the fringes to attack eachother.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    I take open borders as a given for all major political parties
     
    When all Israeli major political parties start advocating open borders for Israel, then we can all start laughing and pointing.
  40. @Autochthon
    https://youtu.be/lL0WayC7jW0

    "Do somethin' with that, you freak."

    That was refreshingly spontaneous, as Norm unlike virtually 99% of talk show guests often is.

  41. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    OT: Could this be Steve's new favorite Dodger?

    https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2019/0803/r578730_1296x729_16-9.jpg

    OT: Could this be Steve’s new favorite Dodger?

    He’s certainly dodging the barber.

  42. @Buzz Mohawk
    Carrot Top?

    http://www.funcage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/carrot-top-muscle.jpg

    But Bernie grew up:

  43. @ben tillman
    Nationalization is also antithetical to the original goals of socialism. Socialism originally was class cooperation. Socialism like all ways of framing a healthy society abhorred centralization of wealth and power.

    Nationalization is also antithetical to the original goals of socialism. Socialism originally was class cooperation.

    But no class signed up for it. So they had to pull out the guns.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Right. Socialism by choice is difficult to manage, but -- like all other voluntary arrangements -- there is at least a consensus that erodes over time. Socialism by central government is evil from the start.
  44. Anonymous[455] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Democratic Socialists of America’.

    About as ‘democratic’ as the former GDR – ‘German Democratic Republic’.

  45. How many new arrivals has Bartley taken in? How many new arrivals do the DSA insist their membership take in?

  46. @Lot
    Sure, the DSA advocates for the rapid destruction of the United States.

    But they are absolutely SOLID on the JQ, so most Unzers will have to say they’re on balance OK.

    https://twitter.com/ChicagoCityDSA/status/893859571772555264/

    “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free!”

    https://i.imgur.com/4IIlxGz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    There’s more to the JQ than anti-zionism … a lot more.

  47. @R.G. Camara
    Corporate communism.

    It’s always the same Helphand

    This time they don’t even need Sealed Train.

    For example, those Financial Times scribes never bother to offer explanation how was even possible that “the future Soviet leader had spent the war in Switzerland, marooned on a neutral island in a sea of belligerents.”

    https://www.afr.com/world/europe/how-vladimir-lenins-train-journey-from-switzerland-to-russia-changed-history-20161010-grykvk

  48. @guest
    I take open borders as a given for all major political parties, except for a few cabals and individuals sprinkled here and there. That "point-and-laugh" stuff, on the other hand, is vital because it gets the fringes to attack eachother.

    I take open borders as a given for all major political parties

    When all Israeli major political parties start advocating open borders for Israel, then we can all start laughing and pointing.

  49. Interestingly the left SJW open borders crowd has merged with BIG TECH and the RINO establishment represented by the WSJ. This alliance of ideologues with big corporate interests is not unlike what happened in Nazi Germany.

  50. Are the Democratic Socialists of America actually socialists? Or are they just another conglomeration of fake leftists? Have they in fact been hijacked like the rest of the Left? You can’t actually be a socialist and be for open borders.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6B0rwhIFs
    , @Art Deco
    The old Socialist Party of Norman Thomas decomposed into three successor organizations in 1971. One was run by Max Schactman, one by Michael Harrington, and one by David McReynolds. Schachtman's outfit was passed on to his deputy Penn Kemble. It decayed into a letter-head organization which then evaporated after Kemble died. McReynolds recently died and I think his organization actually has just enough of a corporal existence that it can hold a convention; IIRC, his lodestars were pacifism and homosexuality (his own). Harrington's organization after a time merged with a smaller outfit run by the odious Barbara Ehrenreich and that's the one The Squad joined and the one that just held that convention. Unlike Kemble's outfit, it's long been fairly conventional in its dispositions, though it's priorities have varied over time. Back in the day, Bernie wouldn't join because it's shtick was working within the Democratic Party. It's membership was 7,000 at its founding. It's fluctuated over time. A disaffected member offered a profile of the organization in Harper's about 20 years ago. In his view, it's activities were an exercise in futility, something he delineated by describing the suites of offices which had served as its hq over a period of a dozen years or so, each one in succession smaller and shabbier than the one previous. Kinda surprising it still exists, and has prospered of late.
  51. @Svigor
    Racism and ethnonationalism for me but not for thee, )))white goy(((:

    “It’s a Jewish building”: Brooklyn landlord accused of housing discrimination

    These are the sources on the first page of results @ google news search for zev pollak:

    The Real Deal
    Brooklyn Paper
    Gothamist
    Candadian Jewish News
    Patch.com
    The Times of Israel
    So Many Shows

    WOW, so no NYT, no NBC, no ABC, no CNN, no Fox News, no Breitbart...I'm fucking )))shocked(((.

    In )))our((( country.

    The suit refers to “this fundamental American principle of equality,” as related to the sale or rental of private sector housing, a principle that didn’t exist until the Fair Housing Act of 1965. Until then, the “fundamental principles” of private property, freedom of association, and the Federal Government restricted to its enumerated powers (albeit this one had been eroding since the 1930s) prevailed.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    With some qualification. Property deeds had restrictive covenants on them. These appeared I think around 1910, but weren't enforceable in court after 1948.
  52. @Russ
    Weigel's point is very well taken: Instead of guffawing at the DSA positions, we need to begin from a position which the average millennial can grasp, and refute those positions logically. Failure to do so brings disastrous consequences. No one can afford to play anything of this stripe for fun anymore.

    By all means, because logical, rational, empirical argumentation in regards to immigration has been working so well

  53. Open borders is just a shibboleth that the Republicans seem to be obsessed with.

    We have open borders between the states, but no mainstream elected politician in the US will ever support an open border with Mexico or Canada.

    Open borders is however a real issue for Brexit with the famous Irish “backstop”.

    If there continues to be an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, then British exporters and importers will be able to ship products via Ireland to the EU and avoid taxes and tariffs.

    If the border is erected, then Irish citizens who have had the right to live and work in Britain and Northern Ireland since 1921 will maintain that right, since the agreement predates the EU, but there will have to be immigration controls at the border on nationals of other nations.

    However, national borders can be managed in different ways. For example in the border towns of Dajabon and Ounaminthe on the northern frontier of the Domincan Republic and Haiti, Haitians are allowed to cross the footbridge on market days to buy and sell in Dajabon, but must return by a certain time in the evening, and are not allowed to travel further into the DR.

    In the event of the border being closed, as happens now and again, you can pay a border crossing entrepreneur to carry you a couple of miles on a motor bike on a dirt track to a ferry point on the Massacre River, cross the river on a boat, and get a motor bike down another dirt track into town. All very civilized and all for one all-inclusive price of about $40.

    No reason why you could not issue day passes to Mexicans to visit El Paso for shopping. That is just good business.

  54. This way to the ingress.

  55. @dfordoom
    Are the Democratic Socialists of America actually socialists? Or are they just another conglomeration of fake leftists? Have they in fact been hijacked like the rest of the Left? You can't actually be a socialist and be for open borders.

  56. This was only a proposed resolution, not an actual one.

    https://medium.com/@stevens.elijah/open-borders-resolution-dsa-national-convention-2019-28208937504

    Not that I know anything about how DSA governs but the above seems to be inaccurate.

  57. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Anon[168] writes, ==QUOTE== “Never go full Open Borders.”
    I see what you did there ==UNQUOTE==
    in reference to Steve Sailer's remark about the open-borders proposals of the Democratic Socialists of America (DAS). I do not see what Steve did there.
    Lockean Proviso asks ==QUOTE== Is “Never go full Open Borders” a reference to “Never go full Retard” in Tropic Thunder? Same thing, essentially. ==UNQUOTE== Is this a reference to a movie?
    Somebody please explain.

    That isn’t the prompt for block quotes Einstein.

  58. • Replies: @J.Ross
    Glen Ford's Trial is more true and relevant every day. This is what they call the "Sea of Green."
  59. @Jack Strocchi
    Steve sailer said:

    It’s fascinating to see the Democratic Socialists of America converging with the Robert Bartley-era Wall Street Journal editorial page in endorsing absolute Open Borders.
     


    What is even more fascinating is to watch how the cultural identity Left has usurped the social equity Left over the past century. Ssuch that it is now pursuing policies directly antithetical to the original goals of socialism.

    Once upon a time, socialism meant the nationalisation of capitalist private property and the exclusion of foreign labour to elevate the wages of home labour. Now it means the globalisation of statist public property and the inclusion of foreign labour to depress the wages of home labour.

    With results that speak for themselves.

    This is a classic post-modernist liberal move - don't just do things differently from the past - do the opposite. It's as if we live in a clown world, directed by George Constanza.

    Once upon a time, socialism meant the nationalisation of capitalist private property and the exclusion of foreign labour to elevate the wages of home labour. Now it means the globalisation of statist public property and the inclusion of foreign labour to depress the wages of home labour.

    What could be the difference between “foreign labour” then and now, which might account for this apparent difference in ‘socialist’ attitudes about it? — I’m scratching my head… (also about what “statist public property” is).

  60. German media reporting/speculating about Africans heading to the US by flying to South or Central America, then going to the southern border of the US.

    Schwarze jetzt nach USA?

    DEUTSCHE WELLE WILL ABENTEUERLICHE NEUE FLUCHTROUTE ENTDECKT HABEN

  61. @eah
    https://twitter.com/radicalbruja/status/1156292462761000961

    Glen Ford’s Trial is more true and relevant every day. This is what they call the “Sea of Green.”

    • Replies: @eah
    Orwell's Animal Farm is what came to my mind.

    Seems the account is now protected.
  62. @27 Years Old
    The virgin toughguy conservative laughing at the DSA convention who has a grip of ARs he will never fire

    vs

    The CHAD snowflake attending the DSA convention who has dudes on speed dial that will put a brick through the con's skull

    Hope everyone is doing great. My wife gave birth to our first child. Skin in the game

    Congratulations! Wondered where you had wandered off to?

  63. @27 Years Old
    The virgin toughguy conservative laughing at the DSA convention who has a grip of ARs he will never fire

    vs

    The CHAD snowflake attending the DSA convention who has dudes on speed dial that will put a brick through the con's skull

    Hope everyone is doing great. My wife gave birth to our first child. Skin in the game

    Hope everyone is doing great. My wife gave birth to our first child. Skin in the game

    Huge congrats 27!

    The most memorable day of my life … just about 27 years ago … when AnotherChild1 came out screaming into this world. Holding her in my arms … heck, i tear up now thinking about it.

    You do now truly have skin in the game. Unfortunately, like me that will make you even more pissed off about what our “elites” are doing to you and your child’s future. Fortunately, this will be the most amazing and rewarding experience of your life.

  64. It’s fascinating to see the Democratic Socialists of America converging with the Robert Bartley-era Wall Street Journal editorial page in endorsing absolute Open Borders.

    The Left is a plutocratic movement, and it has been for at least 370 years.

  65. One of the rare plausible elements of the wildly successful Smiley novels of Le Carre (the brotherhood of golfers being another) is the notion floated in “Tinker, Tailor…” that the vast majority of the “radical” groups set up as bogeymen to keep the sheeple in line are established and peopled by the alphabet agencies.

    Above and beyond the nefarious reach of the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, Daughters of Rebecca, Ashkenazis, Sephardis, Al Q’aida, Skull and Bones and the Bullingdon Club reign The Golfers.

    It’s been a long day.

  66. @Reg Cæsar

    Nationalization is also antithetical to the original goals of socialism. Socialism originally was class cooperation.
     
    But no class signed up for it. So they had to pull out the guns.

    Right. Socialism by choice is difficult to manage, but — like all other voluntary arrangements — there is at least a consensus that erodes over time. Socialism by central government is evil from the start.

  67. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    OT: Could this be Steve's new favorite Dodger?

    https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2019/0803/r578730_1296x729_16-9.jpg

    Weird Al Yankovic

  68. And here is what is going down in France, where a variant of this open borders policy has been in place for a while:

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14643/france-sinking-chaos

    One takeaway one might have from this is to seriously wonder if the police are even remotely your friends if you oppose these sorts of policies. Maybe reflect on how things worked in Charlottesville not so long ago. Permits for a march revoked, a standdown of the police to permit antifa thugs to have their way with the conservatives, and all just hunky dory with the police. They were just following orders, I guess. Maybe they don’t have to swear to uphold & defend the Constitution to get on the force, so yeah, why not. This way to the pension, remember…

  69. Democratic front runner Joe Biden has made his plan clear:

    The former vice president told Noticias Telemundo that he would legalize all DREAMers in the country. “The day I get elected president… DREAMers are going to be legalized, number one,” he said.

    “Number two,” he continued, “we have to provide a pathway to citizenship for 11 million people. Thirdly, we have to welcome people who are seeking asylum and make a judgment about whether or not their claim is relevant and real, and not lock them up in the meantime or not keep them from even getting to the border.”

  70. @Jack Strocchi
    Autochthon said:

    Uh-oh… careful, there. It’s not okay to endorse national socialism anymore, it will get you punched in the face (or imprisoned for until you die if you try to flee a crazed mob) because (((Reasons))).
     
    I am not endorsing national socialism...or othrwise. The scalability of socialusm depends on the Hayekian computability of a distributed economy, and the size of Dunbars Number for the jurisdiction.

    Just pointing out the cultural contradictions of NewcLeft globalist socialism, which were avoided by the Old Left national socialists.

    NB I am an ardent semito-phile. Conservative nationalists should avoid semito-phobia like the plague, it is the " nationalism of fools".

    Conservative nationalists should avoid semito-philia with as much cynicism and mistrust as they would any plague; the fact that it is not merely “the nationalism of convenience”, but “the now-mandatory nationalism of convenience, by force of law” indicates why.

    What, exactly, is “anti-Semitism”? One standard dictionary definition is “hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group.” How this applies to me has never been explained. My “hostility” toward Israel is a desire not for war, but for neutrality – out of a sense of betrayal, waste, and shame. Our venal politicians have aligned us with a foreign country that behaves dishonorably. Most alleged “anti-Semites” would wince if Jews anywhere were treated as Israel treats its Arab subjects. Moreover, Israel has repeatedly betrayed its only benefactor, the United States.

    These are facts. Yet it’s not only politicians who are afraid to point them out; so are most journalists – the people who are supposed to be independent enough to say the things politicians can’t afford to say. In my thirty years in journalism, nothing has amazed me more than the prevalent fear in the profession of offending Jews, especially Zionist Jews.

    I’ve often noticed how eager and desperate mainstream conservatives are to avoid Jewish wrath. Again, they don’t just speak favorably of Israel: they refuse to acknowledge any cost to American interests in the U.S.-Israel alliance. They treat the two countries’ interests as identical; when they scold either government, it’s always – always – the U.S. Government for failing to support our “reliable ally.” They are frightened. You can sense this in their bluster, in the vicarious jingoism with which they address Israel. Their fear produces a peculiar intellectual thinness that pervades all their thinking on foreign policy. Individualists have been replaced by apparatchiks. Zionism has infiltrated conservatism in much the same way Communism once infiltrated liberalism.

    http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/21/3/Sobran12.html

  71. @J.Ross
    Glen Ford's Trial is more true and relevant every day. This is what they call the "Sea of Green."

    Orwell’s Animal Farm is what came to my mind.

    Seems the account is now protected.

  72. @dfordoom
    Are the Democratic Socialists of America actually socialists? Or are they just another conglomeration of fake leftists? Have they in fact been hijacked like the rest of the Left? You can't actually be a socialist and be for open borders.

    The old Socialist Party of Norman Thomas decomposed into three successor organizations in 1971. One was run by Max Schactman, one by Michael Harrington, and one by David McReynolds. Schachtman’s outfit was passed on to his deputy Penn Kemble. It decayed into a letter-head organization which then evaporated after Kemble died. McReynolds recently died and I think his organization actually has just enough of a corporal existence that it can hold a convention; IIRC, his lodestars were pacifism and homosexuality (his own). Harrington’s organization after a time merged with a smaller outfit run by the odious Barbara Ehrenreich and that’s the one The Squad joined and the one that just held that convention. Unlike Kemble’s outfit, it’s long been fairly conventional in its dispositions, though it’s priorities have varied over time. Back in the day, Bernie wouldn’t join because it’s shtick was working within the Democratic Party. It’s membership was 7,000 at its founding. It’s fluctuated over time. A disaffected member offered a profile of the organization in Harper’s about 20 years ago. In his view, it’s activities were an exercise in futility, something he delineated by describing the suites of offices which had served as its hq over a period of a dozen years or so, each one in succession smaller and shabbier than the one previous. Kinda surprising it still exists, and has prospered of late.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    the odious Barbara Ehrenreich
     
    Is that a reference to her tendency to lie mislead, or are there other issues with her?
  73. @FPD72
    The suit refers to “this fundamental American principle of equality,” as related to the sale or rental of private sector housing, a principle that didn’t exist until the Fair Housing Act of 1965. Until then, the “fundamental principles” of private property, freedom of association, and the Federal Government restricted to its enumerated powers (albeit this one had been eroding since the 1930s) prevailed.

    With some qualification. Property deeds had restrictive covenants on them. These appeared I think around 1910, but weren’t enforceable in court after 1948.

  74. @Art Deco
    The old Socialist Party of Norman Thomas decomposed into three successor organizations in 1971. One was run by Max Schactman, one by Michael Harrington, and one by David McReynolds. Schachtman's outfit was passed on to his deputy Penn Kemble. It decayed into a letter-head organization which then evaporated after Kemble died. McReynolds recently died and I think his organization actually has just enough of a corporal existence that it can hold a convention; IIRC, his lodestars were pacifism and homosexuality (his own). Harrington's organization after a time merged with a smaller outfit run by the odious Barbara Ehrenreich and that's the one The Squad joined and the one that just held that convention. Unlike Kemble's outfit, it's long been fairly conventional in its dispositions, though it's priorities have varied over time. Back in the day, Bernie wouldn't join because it's shtick was working within the Democratic Party. It's membership was 7,000 at its founding. It's fluctuated over time. A disaffected member offered a profile of the organization in Harper's about 20 years ago. In his view, it's activities were an exercise in futility, something he delineated by describing the suites of offices which had served as its hq over a period of a dozen years or so, each one in succession smaller and shabbier than the one previous. Kinda surprising it still exists, and has prospered of late.

    the odious Barbara Ehrenreich

    Is that a reference to her tendency to lie mislead, or are there other issues with her?

  75. Dont you think that it is ridiculous that a strong country (in military terms) like USA, pays BILLIONS of dollars to a weak country (Mexico) for “protection” against invaders from Central America (unarmed invaders, they dont have guns, tanks or planes)?. It should be the opposite, USA should demand Mexico to pay billions of dollars for protection against some threats, for example the destruction of their oil refineries by terrorists, or for advisory against bad things that can happpen in Mexico. Mexico does not have defenses against foreign threats, so USA could offer some protection, but ONLY IF Mexico pays enough billions, every year. That money could serve to build the wall. Usually, the weak countries pay tributes to strong countries, but in the case of USA-Mex, it is the reverse situation, why? It is as absurd as if the actor The Rock paid money to Woody Allen for protection as bodyguard.

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