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Official coronavirus cases in the U.S. have resumed falling fairly briskly, with the 7-day running average now down 37% since July 25.

 
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  1. It doesn’t matter. They will continue to scare people with this, independently of data. While trying at the same time to increase protests of blacks against whites and the social order.

    In Germany now they are talking about forbidding parties with more than 10 people again. This after massive protests in Berlin against the measures, and the fact that most people now don’t even wear a mask and cases have not noticeably increased. The same in other countries. Curfews in Melbourne. In Italy the local government in Sicily wanted to close migrant centres because of the increase in Covid cases, the central government in Rome forbid it. Keeping migration on is more important than Covid.

    It’s really more about controlling the population. People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying. But will it matter?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dumbo

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.

    It doesn't seem to be hurting them, does it?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Dumbo, @kaganovitch

    , @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    Everyone wears a mask in Germany. You can't go into a shop without a mask. No one is violating that (other than the Berlin thing.)

    Denmark was interesting. Before the government required masks to be worn on busses/trains this weekend. You could sit on the train and pick out Liberal versus Conservative Whites. It was a fun game. Young girls wearing masks--Liberal
    Guys wearing masks -Gay or trying to f** the liberal girls they were sitting with

    BuzzMohawk---Your Transylvania Brother doesn't exist or hasn't been there in the last 2 months. Everyone is wearing a mask in Germany.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @Wielgus
    @Dumbo

    It might on election day although that depends on the voters being offered any sort of real alternative. The Germans are holding a state election in North Rhine - Westphalia next month. Despite the usual corona neurosis - the British cancelled their local elections earlier this year.

    , @Ano
    @Dumbo

    Yes, as we know, real world stats don't matter in Clown World; and if, in this world, a Governor can force you to wear a plastic dog cone, then, no matter how many stats the Mr Sailers in the sane world cite, if she wants to make you roll over on to your back and wag your tail- she will, and many will obey her unquestioningly.

    , @JohnPlywood
    @Dumbo

    The Covid shutdowns have benefitted white men more in 4 months than Donald Trump's presidency did in 4 years.


    All you people complaining about the shutdown are minority drug dealers and white women who lost their barista jobs.


    And yes, you will be controlled. Only fatass white women are paranoid about being "controlled". Get mad piggy, an authority figure is about to tell you what to do!!!

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @U. Ranus
    @Dumbo

    People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying.

    A majority still believe, which is enough.

    I've come to think of the cholesterol lowering drug craze (statins) as a good model for what we can expect. For people disinclined to believe anything the TV tells them, it has been a settled case for at least twenty years. Yet everybody else made some companies untold billions richer while slowly ruining their own health.

    If this doesn't die down before a sufficiently non-lethal vaccine becomes available, the profits generated will likewise be more than enough to keep flu panic alive for at least another two decades. Sadly, I think that's the most likely outcome.

  2. Many fewer tests are done to cut down on the lag time in testing? If so there’s not much to note here.

  3. Well Steve, I the ‘get the flu 2-4 times a year’ person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways…I’m in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday—Stomach ache…burning in stomach….internal organs hurt…Very stressed that there’s something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday – Decide if I’m dying, I’m going to go out being in shape…go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache…definitely something wrong in stomach…super bloated…internal organs Really Hurt…Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday – Decide if I’m dying, I’m going to go out with a fight….Go to gym…15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside…people in Gym look at me like I’m insane to be in the sauna….Feel better…although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence…Insane Flatulence….Can’t remember the day…Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues….Think I’m dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday — Weird sore throat….
    3AM Saturday – Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM – Email everyone to clear schedule as I’m really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell — Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn’t even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here’s the kicker…When I thought I was going to cough up “Phlegm” I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid….My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital…I flipped them off…

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left…Thank God…would have died…

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn’t sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming — slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning – Fever broke

    I think it’s interesting that This Virus ‘Knew’ I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There….

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus’ ‘Know’

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Paul Rise
    @Thoughts

    Might you have a particularly bad case of diverticulitis? Sore throat severe acid reflux?

    Vomiting stomach acid might have been gastroparesis?

    Regardless I hope you feel better and these symptoms never return!

    , @obwandiyag
    @Thoughts

    It's nice to hear somebody speaking from actual personal experience for once. My cousin said she had the exact same symptoms--and later tested positive for the virus. She said it was the worst experience of her life.

    But these bozos will tell you you are just a hoax. Don't let the bastards get you down.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    , @nixxer
    @Thoughts

    Why would you even consider going to a public gym is you were sick no matter the situation, pandemic or no?

    Replies: @Thoughts

    , @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @Thoughts

    I had exactly these same symptoms after watching Kamala Harris' acceptance speech.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Thoughts

    Thoughts, I suffer from acid reflux. There are bacteria in your digestive system that exist well there. Bring them up into your throat or esophagus and you can have serious symptoms. Bring them up into your lungs, like I did News Year's Eve three years ago, and you can get, as I did, bacterial pneumonia.Fever is common with bacterial infections. And, when you are sick, stay the fuck home. Were you afraid you would look out of shape in your coffin?

    Replies: @Peterike

    , @BB753
    @Thoughts

    Perhaps consulting a psychiatrist would have been more helpful. Not being rude, just saying.. Are you hypochondriac? There, I said it!

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Thoughts

    , @Kyle
    @Thoughts

    I Didn’t have any coughing either. Just the sore throat. Only on one of my tonsils, but it was pretty bad. Then the nausea and vomiting. Exercise made it worse, sleeping and eating made it better. After a week I felt better, after 2 I was back to normal. I never get the flu, last time I had it was probably 8 years ago. I didn’t get tested for covid or stop going to work, I don’t have health insurance and I sort of just don’t really care that much. Sorry if that offends anyone here. I’m guessing I had covid because that’s what’s going around. But it could have been mono, I had all the symptoms of mono.

    , @Adam Smith
    @Thoughts

    With all your gastro symptoms have you considered human enteric coronavirus 4408 or bovine corona virus?

    You say you get the flu 2-4 times each year... Sorry to hear that.
    Out of curiosity, how often do you vaccinate?

    I hope you feel better soon.

  4. DNC panics, film at MSNBC showing graphic wrong.

  5. @Dumbo
    It doesn't matter. They will continue to scare people with this, independently of data. While trying at the same time to increase protests of blacks against whites and the social order.

    In Germany now they are talking about forbidding parties with more than 10 people again. This after massive protests in Berlin against the measures, and the fact that most people now don't even wear a mask and cases have not noticeably increased. The same in other countries. Curfews in Melbourne. In Italy the local government in Sicily wanted to close migrant centres because of the increase in Covid cases, the central government in Rome forbid it. Keeping migration on is more important than Covid.

    It's really more about controlling the population. People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying. But will it matter?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Wielgus, @Ano, @JohnPlywood, @U. Ranus

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.

    It doesn’t seem to be hurting them, does it?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yet in my neck of the nape the mask wearing seems to have been normalized, and not wearing one gets you looks like you're not wearing any pants. We are really entering another era of puritanism or some other form of religious fanaticism. Instead of burkas, we have masks. Don't leave home without them or else.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Dumbo
    @Buzz Mohawk

    For some weird reason, in the case of Covid, Germans are being less strict / authoritarian and following less rules than the Italians/Spanish. Maybe because there is more skepticism about the whole thing, although skepticism is growing in Italy and Spain too. No one wants a "second wave lockdown".

    In general, this Covid lockdown stuff has been a disaster for Southern Europe (economy based more on tourism, gastronomy, etc) and less for Northern Europe. And yet Southern Europe is being more forced to lockdown. I guess someone wants to completely destroy their economies, and then flood them with migrants, but I have no idea who could benefit from such chaos......

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @kaganovitch
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him.

    Dude, it's not the mask. It's the cape.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  6. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    It doesn't matter. They will continue to scare people with this, independently of data. While trying at the same time to increase protests of blacks against whites and the social order.

    In Germany now they are talking about forbidding parties with more than 10 people again. This after massive protests in Berlin against the measures, and the fact that most people now don't even wear a mask and cases have not noticeably increased. The same in other countries. Curfews in Melbourne. In Italy the local government in Sicily wanted to close migrant centres because of the increase in Covid cases, the central government in Rome forbid it. Keeping migration on is more important than Covid.

    It's really more about controlling the population. People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying. But will it matter?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Wielgus, @Ano, @JohnPlywood, @U. Ranus

    Everyone wears a mask in Germany. You can’t go into a shop without a mask. No one is violating that (other than the Berlin thing.)

    Denmark was interesting. Before the government required masks to be worn on busses/trains this weekend. You could sit on the train and pick out Liberal versus Conservative Whites. It was a fun game. Young girls wearing masks–Liberal
    Guys wearing masks -Gay or trying to f** the liberal girls they were sitting with

    BuzzMohawk—Your Transylvania Brother doesn’t exist or hasn’t been there in the last 2 months. Everyone is wearing a mask in Germany.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    I meant, masks outside. Hardly anyone wears them. Except maybe Asian immigrants. They wear them in shops and public transportation only because it's mandatory and they won't let you in. And even then, many people wear them covering only the mouth, not the nose, which seems rather pointless. Also, while customers wear masks, cashiers and other workers increasingly don't, which is weird. This in a region in Eastern Germany where I know some people who live there and keep me updated; I don't know about the rest of Germany. I think in Western Germany and Bavaria etc they are being stricter. But in general, the truth is, people are sick to death of this corona stuff, and expect more protests like the one in Ireland (of course, maybe also the restlessness and the protests may have been planned too - the "Great Reset" and all that.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  7. @Dumbo
    It doesn't matter. They will continue to scare people with this, independently of data. While trying at the same time to increase protests of blacks against whites and the social order.

    In Germany now they are talking about forbidding parties with more than 10 people again. This after massive protests in Berlin against the measures, and the fact that most people now don't even wear a mask and cases have not noticeably increased. The same in other countries. Curfews in Melbourne. In Italy the local government in Sicily wanted to close migrant centres because of the increase in Covid cases, the central government in Rome forbid it. Keeping migration on is more important than Covid.

    It's really more about controlling the population. People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying. But will it matter?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Wielgus, @Ano, @JohnPlywood, @U. Ranus

    It might on election day although that depends on the voters being offered any sort of real alternative. The Germans are holding a state election in North Rhine – Westphalia next month. Despite the usual corona neurosis – the British cancelled their local elections earlier this year.

  8. OT – PLOS paper concludes that even when parental wealth taken into account, children growing up in greener urban areas have an IQ advantage.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003213

    You’re probably better at analysing this than I – why use 310 sets of twins, or was that just an available data pool?

    Also, average IQ was 105, which seems high and makes me wonder if there isn’t some other form of selection here.

  9. My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Disagree: Hippopotamusdrome
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Gregory

    Of course.

    OMG, of course.

    , @Travis
    @Gregory

    I agree, Coronavirus will vanish quickly if Biden wins. They will also announce many effective treatments like hydroxychloroquine and other treatments. The Democratic governors will end their bans on HCQ by December. HCQ and other prophylactics will become more available to those who want to reduce their risk of getting COVID-19

    If Trump wins the democrats will continue to push the panic and try to keep the economy from recovering as they continue their war against America in an effort to weaken the political power of Trump and his supporters.

    So the upside of a Biden win will be the end of wearing masks and the re-opening of the economy , schools, churches etc...

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Gregory

    Gregory said: "My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd."

    You're on the right track. But not until the "vaccine" (and the enormous profits from it) have been realized first. Early in 2021, I bet.

    This virus has a huge political dimension to it. A Democratic Congress, White House and most state governors will give the globalists what they want: megamoney for the vaccine and, even more importantly, the chance to abrogate basic natural rights and liberties in the name of "fighting a pandemic."
    The U.S. Constitution will be gutted even further.

    A total surveillance state, complete with expensive "robocops" from military intelligence tech companies (that's the real Deep State reason for "Defund the Police", although the useful idiots with the bullhorns at the "protests" are clueless), is to be imposed everywhere soon.

    Whiskey's prediction that we will all be in the "camps" may not be far away.

    https://cdn.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/li-zhensheng.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @Gregory


    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.
     
    That’s what I thought initially. But the virus plandemic has morphed from Coupvid-11/3 into Covid-1984. Governments have seen what an amazing tool this is to control the population and will not let it go anytime soon.

    A big culprit in fomenting this inanity, with its lockdowns and masks, has been an Arab money shifter with zero background in the biological or life sciences. Or any real science (his Ph.D. is in management science and holds and MBA).

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1297686417666187264?s=20

    Meanwhile, a CEO of a Cambridge biotech company, Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, a guy with 4 MIT degrees, including a Ph.D. in biological engineering, says, “the coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest frauds to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push mandated medicine!”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/mit-biologist-and-inventer-of-email-dr-shiva-ayyadurai-says-deep-state-fear-mongering-on-coronavirus-will-go-down-as-biggest-fraud-to-manipulate-economies/

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon7

    , @Known Fact
    @Gregory

    Not so fast, I think -- they'd keep pumping the virus until around next spring, when they could claim that several months of wise Biden leadership have worked miracles and beaten back the threat.

    The other possibility is that with Trump gone, the Dems will double-down on iron-fisted control and we'll never see the end of COVID-1984

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Gregory

    Biden is on the record calling for a national mask mandate. If Biden wins we will have Covid-1984 forever and it will be the perfect pretext for the Democrats to do whatever the hell they want.

    In other words, you are wrong and catastrophically so.

    Replies: @Orchestal_Xandros

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Gregory

    Uhh, no. This is a control mechanism. Catnip for Dems.

    , @Ed
    @Gregory

    Even if Trumps wins, it’ll be over as will the sheer madness of the media these past 4 years.

  10. What a dumb graph to base any descision-making off of. Looking at that graph, where would you expect peak deaths to be? Peak hospitalizations?

    It’s even worse on a state by state level. By steadily expanding test coverage, people have worked themselves up into a lather about a disease that was 2-3x a flu at peak mortality, and has now run its course over most of the planet.

    Simple suggestion: To calm fears, every state needs to switch to color-coded “Corona risk chart” similar to the homeland security terrorism risk chart implemented after 9/11 for the same reason, (except we could actually go green on this one because viruses don’t have the intelligence to wait for our guard to be dropped before attacking). Risk level should be based on 1) excess hospitalizations, 2) excess mortality, 3) randomized, controlled (!!), population testing.

    Most states would be green right now, with a couple slightly elevated to whatever level 2 is.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Xens

    Not that the CDC has much credibility left, but they just revised their recommendations today to eliminate testing of people without systems.

    , @LondonBob
    @Xens

    We had a corona risk chart in Britain originally, haven't heard of it for a long time, given the number of cases, deaths and hospitalisations it would be at the lowest level requiring everything yo go back to normal, and we can't have that.

  11. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dumbo

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.

    It doesn't seem to be hurting them, does it?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Dumbo, @kaganovitch

    Yet in my neck of the nape the mask wearing seems to have been normalized, and not wearing one gets you looks like you’re not wearing any pants. We are really entering another era of puritanism or some other form of religious fanaticism. Instead of burkas, we have masks. Don’t leave home without them or else.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Mike Tre


    We are really entering another era of puritanism or some other form of religious fanaticism. Instead of burkas, we have masks.
     
    In LA, it's definitely a tribal membership/virtue signal. Upper class whites jog and walk their dogs in masks and drive alone in their cars with masks on. The Guatemalan nannies and Mexican laborers on the other hand don't need no stinkin' masks.

    Replies: @Kaz, @Mike Tre

  12. are they not testing enough?

  13. Here is what is most important:

    Daily Covid deaths is the most important number
    Then daily new hospitalizations numbers
    Daily new case numbers are least useful. We know the more testing, the more infections, be they trivial or serious.

    Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.
    Even without deploying the hydroxy combo, the Docs have learned a lot in the last 6 months on how to rescue and cure those who get serious Covid infections. Diabetes and obesity are linked and are the worst underlying co-factor to have if you come down with covid. Some are born with weak immune systems or have acquired such conditions. This is a very bad co-factor to have.

    Many Americans have diabetes, pre-diabetes, undiagnosed diabetes. You can be skinny or normal weight to have one of these. Get the more advanced diabetes test next time you get a checkup. Not the simple and common one they do in any check up.

    Look up quercetin – zinc combos as a preventive if you are worried. Very common at Amazon and elsewhere. Look up BHT as a common anti-viral for lipid coated viruses. BHT as a preventative.
    _____________________

    Combating COVID-19 with Zinc and Quercetin – Nutritional …
    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/…
    Mar 21, 2020 · Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    • Thanks: DCThrowback
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Clyde

    Total deaths from all diseases per unit time is more valuable than "cases" of SARS-COV2 (COVID-19, coronavirus, etc). Deaths by one particular disease are fungible and "cases" are far less precise than deaths.

    The "media" should be publishing charts comparing total deaths by disease by month for several years. It should be no problem for us to compare total deaths by disease in the U.S. during July 2020 with July 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, ...

    , @Steve Richter
    @Clyde


    Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

     

    but if the human body wanted zinc to enter the cells wouldn't it produce its own ionophores to enable it to do so? Zinc is a good idea, in early stages off the disease, when the virus is replicating. But as a preventative, it sounds risky.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @travis, @NOTA

    , @Anon
    @Clyde

    @ Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.


    Exactly. Use an oximeter also.

    If very vulnerable, evaluate an oxigen concentrator and/or nebulizer with cortisone. (Many kids with asthma or pre-asthma use this). These are for home treatments.

    , @prosa123
    @Clyde

    According to a detailed research report by the Kaiser healthcare system, obesity by itself, in other words without other comorbidities, is a major risk factor for virus complications including death in men but not in women. It has to do with different fat distribution patterns. Women usually carry extra weight on their hips and rear ends, where it presents very few health risks. Men add fat to their abdomens and among their internal organs, where it is dangerous both for the virus and in many other respects. Any man who can't see his feet when standing up straight had better do something very quickly about losing weight.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @DRA
    @Clyde

    My personal favorite available metric is deaths as a percentage of resolved cases (recovered plus died). Second favorite is deaths per 1 million population. Both of the above can easily calculated from data available at:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    The metric I would like to see is what percentage of the population of the US, &/or specific state, has antibodies for Corvid-19. It seems that data could be estimated by random testing for antibodies, similar to the way pollsters sample voters to project elections.

    I understand that it would be much more expensive than simply calling randomly selected households, and as best as I can determine nobody has gone to the expense or time to track antibodies. But I do wonder how close to "herd immunity" we might be getting.

    I expect that when the election is over, whoever wins, we will find out that we are very close, or already there!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Clyde

    , @travis
    @Clyde

    excellent advise.

    Anyone worried about CV should check their blood sugar levels. Pre-diabetes as an early warning sign that you might be headed toward diabetes. The telltale sign is a blood test that show your blood sugar level is higher than normal but not yet high enough to be considered diabetes. Metformin is an excellent drug which controls your blood sugar and reduces your risk of heart disease and CV. If your glucose levels are high your doctor will prescribe it. People worried about CV should eat a low carb diet, keep their weight down and get a supply of Hydroxychloroquine to take if you get symptoms. Also make sure you are getting out in the sun to get more vitamin D in your body. Once we get into the fall you need to supplement with Vit D if you live above the Mason Dixon line. Need to keep your immune system strong and keep your glucose levels down. Tobacco also works to prevent CV. Vaping is a great way to get the required nicotine, and the nicotine pouches, snus and lozenges are another way to get the protective benefits of nicotine. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200720/Involvement-of-nicotine-receptors-in-COVID-19.aspx

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

  14. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dumbo

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.

    It doesn't seem to be hurting them, does it?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Dumbo, @kaganovitch

    For some weird reason, in the case of Covid, Germans are being less strict / authoritarian and following less rules than the Italians/Spanish. Maybe because there is more skepticism about the whole thing, although skepticism is growing in Italy and Spain too. No one wants a “second wave lockdown”.

    In general, this Covid lockdown stuff has been a disaster for Southern Europe (economy based more on tourism, gastronomy, etc) and less for Northern Europe. And yet Southern Europe is being more forced to lockdown. I guess someone wants to completely destroy their economies, and then flood them with migrants, but I have no idea who could benefit from such chaos……

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    Everyone is wearing a mask in Germany...you can't go into shops without it

    Where are you guys getting all this crazy info?

    Denmark has now made it mandatory in public transport.

    They are trying to keep the R0 down to prevent UK slapping them with 2 week quarantine

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo

  15. Corona Cases Down 37% Since Over Last 30 Days

    Trump needs more and more of these good numbers to boast about. This will help him win against Biden-Harris. The CNN_MSNBC mass media will do their best to keep covid panic alive. Their best to obscure and lie about these improving numbers. I love Trump forcefully bragging and boasting, and consider it one of his best, most effective campaign tactics.

    Because the mass media driven Covid panic brainwashing is deep, I know this from seeing so many people wearing masks outdoors in non-crowded situations. At least where I live.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Clyde


    Because the mass media driven Covid panic brainwashing is deep, I know this from seeing so many people wearing masks outdoors in non-crowded situations.
     
    Went to a park with 30+ miles of trails this weekend to hike.

    Weather was 81F, 60% RH, sunny, light breeze

    Saw four other people, three of whom were wearing masks.
    , @Anon
    @Clyde

    Trump isn't saying anything because everyone knows the virus' numbers are going to jump when kids enter school.

  16. “My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.”

    By way of contrast, I drove through Yellow Springs, Ohio, this last weekend. YS is home of Antioch College, a small town frozen permanently in the Age of Aquarius, 1967. It’s populated by old Hippies and hard left college professors and young, purple-haired SJWs.

    There was a big sign down town. “Be kind, wear a mask.” That sign was duplicated on lawns throughout the town. Everyone, I mean everyone was wearing a mask — outside on a beautiful, sunny breezy day. It was like driving through a village of zombies.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2020/05/striking-through-mask.html

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Stephen Paul Foster


    He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.
     
    Don't be silly. There may be differences in regional attitudes but I can't believe this is true.

    Not wearing masks outside, sure. But not in stores? Not happening.

    I will spare you an image of Mutti Merkel and dump you directly to:

    https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/coronavirus/corona-massnahmen-1734724

    Darüber hinaus gilt in allen Bundesländern eine Pflicht zum Tragen einer Mund-Nase-Bedeckung beim Einkaufen.
     
    Translation: "There is a nationwide obligation to wear masks when shopping."

    It is accompanied by a refreshingly toned-down instructional video without bullshit CGI, infantile eomjis or personified virus particles. Also nondiverse.

    Also, here are the countries considered as outbreak zones. Coming from there, you may have to go into quarantine. Funnily enough, Belgium is not but Antwerp/Brussels are:

    https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html
    , @anon
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    There was a big sign down town. “Be kind, wear a mask.” That sign was duplicated on lawns throughout the town.

    Trolling opportunity: "Be kind. Everyone's life matters. Wear a mask". Just for the cog-dis lolz.

    , @Anonymous
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    The Right's opposition to indoor masks is exactly as stupid as the Left's opposition to hydroxychloroquine (and, since yesterday, to convalescent plasma).

    Replies: @FPD72

  17. (((Jewmedia))) recently covered the mask-optional annual Sturgis motorcycle rally by hyping the risk those selfish right-wing bikers were exposing the rest of us to.

    How sad for the (((shysters))) that these latest stats don’t provide the anti-White ammo (((they))) so desire.

    Curiously, maskless fundamentalist Jew gatherings in Brooklyn & hordes of maskless Antifa criminals are not subject to such earnest scrutiny.

  18. Doesn’t seem to matter to the teachers — they won’t budge over here.

    It’s kind of weird how children have been targeted with the most punitive measures. No school, playgrounds cordoned off with police tape, toddlers forced to comply with burdensome rules they can’t possibly understand…

    The developmental implications are going to be severe, especially for the kids the democrats claim to care about. How much will the black illiteracy rate rise among the current black crop of elementary school students because of this? How many immigrant children will never gain native proficiency in English? If the teachers get their way, the kids will miss up to a year of school at a critical time.

    Language acquisition tails off at the age of twelve. That gives them 54-63 months of school to acquire a skill that has more influence on their later success than any other. If they miss only six of those months, that’s 10% of the total.

    Will that have future implications? You bet it will! Yet, somehow, this is considered trivial compared to the menace of coronavirus. So, let it be known that we are willing to sacrifice the futures of millions of children in order to save, what, a thousand people who have already lived full lives and maybe a couple dozen unlucky healthy people. And that’s probably an overestimate given that there’s no solid evidence that keeping kids out of school makes any difference in the long run anyway.

    • Agree: botazefa, Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Jesse
    @Bill P

    That seems to mainly be the union leadership. Most teachers seem to be positive or agnostic about reopening.

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Bill P

    "It’s kind of weird how children have been targeted with the most punitive measures. No school, playgrounds cordoned off with police tape, toddlers forced to comply with burdensome rules they can’t possibly understand…"

    It is child abuse and emotional terrorism to teach children that everyone will die unless they diaper up forever and never touch or even closely approach another human. Expect profound mental illness among these alienated, systematically-abused children for the rest of our lives. My girlfriend will homeschool her children from here forward because the CDC diktats are so disturbing and abusive.

    Why do adults abuse children? Because it's so easy.

    , @but an humble craftsman
    @Bill P

    No school as a punishment for a child?

    Surely you jest.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Bill P


    Doesn’t seem to matter to the teachers — they won’t budge over here.
     
    I saw a quote on a twitter feed somewhere:

    Will the teachers who say they are afraid to teach my teenager in school stop going to the restaurant where my teenager waits on them?
  19. The whole point of the Masks from the beginning is that 1. They were inane, pointless, useless creation to stop the spread of the “virus” and 2. Were decidedly uncomfortable to wear. They were never used to stop disease, they were there to test obedience, and whole populations have obeyed,like whipped dogs rolling over and wetting themselves.

    The Powers That Be must be astounded at how readily everyone has bowed down to them. Expect the next round of events to be immeasurably nastier than the current round.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @theMann

    In the early stages of the pandemic, masks were a placebo. Maybe they reduce viral transmission. That's good enough for a placebo.

    Regarding the PTB, I think they know that after 30 years of global-warming hysteria, a pandemic with palpable evidence was a slam dunk for increasing control over the population.

    Regarding the pandemic, isn't it droll that:

    1. It started about the time the Democrats' impeachment started to fail.
    2. Pelosi delayed sending the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate around the same time that the pandemic was taking root in Wuhan. (Was she waiting for confirmation that the pandemic would spread?)
    3. The CIA apparently was unaware of the pandemic or, did not report it to the President and Congress. (What do we pay the CIA to do?)
    4. The "media" seamlessly switched from impeachment propaganda to pandemic propaganda.
    5. The Democrats are using the pandemic for political advantage over Trump.

    Aside: I was watching PBS over the weekend and for the first time I saw a program where the program's bait-and-switch had the pandemic as the "switch" instead of "global warming" or "Trump bad."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @BenKenobi
    @theMann

    Yep. Up here in the fake and gay "country" of Canada they are slowly starting to make masks mandatory in various places. Even though the lockdown is lifted, everyone is bored of it, and life has returned to normal. NOW they make masks mandatory. It's all so tiresome.

    One piece of good news is that the nightly 7pm "clap if you believe" douche parade has completely faded away.

    , @ThurstonBT
    @theMann

    Your assessment of "[t]he whole point of the Masks" is akin to Theodore Dalrymple's assessment of the purpose of communist propaganda:

    "In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."
    -- Theodore Dalrymple

    Ref. https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/67950.Theodore_Dalrymple

  20. OT:

    I’ll take things that never happened for $500, Alex:

    https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/20/barry-wesley-colorado-state-antifa-daily-cover

    When a Black lineman from Colorado State went knocking on doors in a white neighborhood, he found himself at the dangerous intersection of a national racial reckoning and a world of internet-conspiracy fanaticism.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    It really happened. The guy is crazy, but it didn't have anything to do with race. A good piece of advice would be not to take a summer job for a sleazy roofing company that expects you to knock on doors with "no soliciting" posted on them, especially during a period of civil unrest and and a hyped up pandemic.

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/scott-gudmundsen-police-reports-loveland-antifa/73-c2c5efa5-8b02-42c1-a051-d54d6fd536d1

  21. As I’ve said here before, I’m pretty sure I had it earlier in the year. It wasn’t fun, but it was also nothing that would justify ruining people’s lives in a lockdown over. Certainly not over something that mostly kills the elderly. (That said, I agree with Zeke Emanuel and think a lot of anti-lockdown folks owe him an apology.)

  22. @Dumbo
    It doesn't matter. They will continue to scare people with this, independently of data. While trying at the same time to increase protests of blacks against whites and the social order.

    In Germany now they are talking about forbidding parties with more than 10 people again. This after massive protests in Berlin against the measures, and the fact that most people now don't even wear a mask and cases have not noticeably increased. The same in other countries. Curfews in Melbourne. In Italy the local government in Sicily wanted to close migrant centres because of the increase in Covid cases, the central government in Rome forbid it. Keeping migration on is more important than Covid.

    It's really more about controlling the population. People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying. But will it matter?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Wielgus, @Ano, @JohnPlywood, @U. Ranus

    Yes, as we know, real world stats don’t matter in Clown World; and if, in this world, a Governor can force you to wear a plastic dog cone, then, no matter how many stats the Mr Sailers in the sane world cite, if she wants to make you roll over on to your back and wag your tail- she will, and many will obey her unquestioningly.

  23. @Bill P
    Doesn't seem to matter to the teachers -- they won't budge over here.

    It's kind of weird how children have been targeted with the most punitive measures. No school, playgrounds cordoned off with police tape, toddlers forced to comply with burdensome rules they can't possibly understand...

    The developmental implications are going to be severe, especially for the kids the democrats claim to care about. How much will the black illiteracy rate rise among the current black crop of elementary school students because of this? How many immigrant children will never gain native proficiency in English? If the teachers get their way, the kids will miss up to a year of school at a critical time.

    Language acquisition tails off at the age of twelve. That gives them 54-63 months of school to acquire a skill that has more influence on their later success than any other. If they miss only six of those months, that's 10% of the total.

    Will that have future implications? You bet it will! Yet, somehow, this is considered trivial compared to the menace of coronavirus. So, let it be known that we are willing to sacrifice the futures of millions of children in order to save, what, a thousand people who have already lived full lives and maybe a couple dozen unlucky healthy people. And that's probably an overestimate given that there's no solid evidence that keeping kids out of school makes any difference in the long run anyway.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @but an humble craftsman, @Mr. Anon

    That seems to mainly be the union leadership. Most teachers seem to be positive or agnostic about reopening.

  24. Doesn’t seem to matter to the teachers — they won’t budge over here.

    Teachers being over-paid layabouts long before coronavirus are demanding schools stay closed in Boston through New Years’. They’re loving sitting home on their ever-fattening asses at full pay and bennies. I knew those were crocodile tears when they used to pretend they missed the kids back in March when schools closed up here. They should be treated to the same process Reagan put on the PATCO air traffic controllers. Show up or be fired.

    I suspect NEA and the SEIU unions are a bit stronger than PATCO, however.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Jim Christian


    Teachers being over-paid layabouts long before coronavirus are demanding schools stay closed in Boston through New Years’. They’re loving sitting home on their ever-fattening asses at full pay and bennies.
     
    Talk about yer useless eaters! No in classroom teaching, then you don't get paid. Do this and you will see these so called edumacators hustling back to the classrooms.

    Zoom teaching is a lie. BTW I hear there is a laptop shortage, due to remote learning and that ChiCom production got bogged down due to Covid-19. I have 2 I must unload ASAP on ebay or perhaps Craig's. Both have NVME "hard" drives so boot up fast.

    I have a relative who has a high position in a NE state government. He is loving his new 20 hour work week. "Working" remotely and getting into the office twice a week for a headcount/proof of life.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jim Christian

    Jim, remember I said this, The fourth greatest lie "It's for the kids" And the fifth greatest lie "We don't get paid over the summer." Last week at our local Walgreens they had candy bars on the check out counter and they asked if you wanted to buy one to support local teachers. My wife, who is usually demure said, "Tell the teachers making over a $100k to give a couple thousand to the ones making $50K."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Abolish_public_education

    , @prosa123
    @Jim Christian

    Teachers say they're worried about returning to the schools. So, what about Walmart employees? I use them as an example because it's the largest private sector employer. They've been out working in the stores all along for much less pay. In addition, rather than being in controlled environments like schools, they're exposed to all sorts of random customers every day, including a fair percentage of People of Walmart with all their weird diseases and nonexistent personal hygiene.

    Replies: @jimbo, @Buffalo Joe

  25. California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona and Louisiana are probably in great shape going forward. Mild climates lack the seasonality in respiratory illness of places with serious winters. Worldwide, Brazil and Mexico should be good going forward. In such places, locals likely have less natural immunity compared to people in cold climates to seasonal respiratory ailments and summer offers no special improvement in respiratory health so they have had to face Covid without respite. Yet with the benefit of continuous humidity, their final death rates will be lower than colder climates.

    Meanwhile, New England, the mid-Atlantic, the Midwest and the northern tier as well as northern Europe and Canada are likely to get a second wave in winter. In these places, locals have some innate immunity to respiratory ailments and seasonality is huge, so R0 is low in summer and high in winter. In climates with hard winters, respiratory health is far higher in summer than in winter, when very dry indoor air is very damaging to respiratory immunity. Northern places that are patting themselves on the back are presently in the eye of the hurricane.

    This is foreseeable but most people can’t see the obvious. I am sure northern places will totally not realize that they need to humidify indoors — especially in hospitals and nursing homes — to ameliorate COVID this winter and will therefore get hit with a second wave much more severely than they need to be.

    Steve, it is great that you bought 3 humidifiers early in the pandemic but you live in Southern California. It is the places with serious winter that get dangerously dry indoor air (such as in the 20% range) which need humidifiers to increase respiratory health and immunity in winter. Maybe you can send those humidifiers to a northern relative this winter and save a life!

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Dan

    Hey doctor Dan, I blocked you earlier so I don't have to read your humidifier bull crap, so stop name shifting.

    Replies: @Dan

    , @Known Fact
    @Dan

    ALBANY NY Feb 24, 2021 -- Gov. Cuomo today blasted President Trump for the state's "crisis-level" humidifier shortage ...

  26. Can black illiteracy realistically get much worse?

  27. Corona Cases Down 37% Since Over Last 30 Days

    On another matter, I thought Unz Review forbade multiple handles, Mr. Humidity.

    • Replies: @Dan
    @Sparkon

    You are charming, trying to get polite commenters banned.

    No sock puppetry, no name change, just shortened full name for privacy. I notice you aren't using a real name at all.

  28. @Jim Christian

    Doesn’t seem to matter to the teachers — they won’t budge over here.
     
    Teachers being over-paid layabouts long before coronavirus are demanding schools stay closed in Boston through New Years'. They're loving sitting home on their ever-fattening asses at full pay and bennies. I knew those were crocodile tears when they used to pretend they missed the kids back in March when schools closed up here. They should be treated to the same process Reagan put on the PATCO air traffic controllers. Show up or be fired.

    I suspect NEA and the SEIU unions are a bit stronger than PATCO, however.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Buffalo Joe, @prosa123

    Teachers being over-paid layabouts long before coronavirus are demanding schools stay closed in Boston through New Years’. They’re loving sitting home on their ever-fattening asses at full pay and bennies.

    Talk about yer useless eaters! No in classroom teaching, then you don’t get paid. Do this and you will see these so called edumacators hustling back to the classrooms.

    Zoom teaching is a lie. BTW I hear there is a laptop shortage, due to remote learning and that ChiCom production got bogged down due to Covid-19. I have 2 I must unload ASAP on ebay or perhaps Craig’s. Both have NVME “hard” drives so boot up fast.

    I have a relative who has a high position in a NE state government. He is loving his new 20 hour work week. “Working” remotely and getting into the office twice a week for a headcount/proof of life.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Clyde

    Clyde, the good news is that people are getting fed up with teachers and the politicans who kiss their asses.

  29. @Clyde

    Corona Cases Down 37% Since Over Last 30 Days
     
    Trump needs more and more of these good numbers to boast about. This will help him win against Biden-Harris. The CNN_MSNBC mass media will do their best to keep covid panic alive. Their best to obscure and lie about these improving numbers. I love Trump forcefully bragging and boasting, and consider it one of his best, most effective campaign tactics.

    Because the mass media driven Covid panic brainwashing is deep, I know this from seeing so many people wearing masks outdoors in non-crowded situations. At least where I live.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon

    Because the mass media driven Covid panic brainwashing is deep, I know this from seeing so many people wearing masks outdoors in non-crowded situations.

    Went to a park with 30+ miles of trails this weekend to hike.

    Weather was 81F, 60% RH, sunny, light breeze

    Saw four other people, three of whom were wearing masks.

  30. @Clyde
    Here is what is most important:

    Daily Covid deaths is the most important number
    Then daily new hospitalizations numbers
    Daily new case numbers are least useful. We know the more testing, the more infections, be they trivial or serious.

    Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.
    Even without deploying the hydroxy combo, the Docs have learned a lot in the last 6 months on how to rescue and cure those who get serious Covid infections. Diabetes and obesity are linked and are the worst underlying co-factor to have if you come down with covid. Some are born with weak immune systems or have acquired such conditions. This is a very bad co-factor to have.

    Many Americans have diabetes, pre-diabetes, undiagnosed diabetes. You can be skinny or normal weight to have one of these. Get the more advanced diabetes test next time you get a checkup. Not the simple and common one they do in any check up.

    Look up quercetin - zinc combos as a preventive if you are worried. Very common at Amazon and elsewhere. Look up BHT as a common anti-viral for lipid coated viruses. BHT as a preventative.
    _____________________

    Combating COVID-19 with Zinc and Quercetin – Nutritional ...
    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/...
    Mar 21, 2020 · Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Steve Richter, @Anon, @prosa123, @DRA, @travis

    Total deaths from all diseases per unit time is more valuable than “cases” of SARS-COV2 (COVID-19, coronavirus, etc). Deaths by one particular disease are fungible and “cases” are far less precise than deaths.

    The “media” should be publishing charts comparing total deaths by disease by month for several years. It should be no problem for us to compare total deaths by disease in the U.S. during July 2020 with July 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, …

    • Agree: Not Raul
  31. @Clyde
    Here is what is most important:

    Daily Covid deaths is the most important number
    Then daily new hospitalizations numbers
    Daily new case numbers are least useful. We know the more testing, the more infections, be they trivial or serious.

    Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.
    Even without deploying the hydroxy combo, the Docs have learned a lot in the last 6 months on how to rescue and cure those who get serious Covid infections. Diabetes and obesity are linked and are the worst underlying co-factor to have if you come down with covid. Some are born with weak immune systems or have acquired such conditions. This is a very bad co-factor to have.

    Many Americans have diabetes, pre-diabetes, undiagnosed diabetes. You can be skinny or normal weight to have one of these. Get the more advanced diabetes test next time you get a checkup. Not the simple and common one they do in any check up.

    Look up quercetin - zinc combos as a preventive if you are worried. Very common at Amazon and elsewhere. Look up BHT as a common anti-viral for lipid coated viruses. BHT as a preventative.
    _____________________

    Combating COVID-19 with Zinc and Quercetin – Nutritional ...
    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/...
    Mar 21, 2020 · Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Steve Richter, @Anon, @prosa123, @DRA, @travis

    Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    but if the human body wanted zinc to enter the cells wouldn’t it produce its own ionophores to enable it to do so? Zinc is a good idea, in early stages off the disease, when the virus is replicating. But as a preventative, it sounds risky.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Richter

    There are many doctors using it as a prophylactic. It has risks but not alarming or unmanageable ones.

    , @travis
    @Steve Richter

    Most people are eating Quercetin every day. Quercetin, which is considered as a health-promoting antioxidant, belongs to the broad flavonoids group. Numerous experimental studies have proved that quercetin and vitamin C provide anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties. It is a widely distributed plant flavonoid, found in several vegetables, fruits, leaves, seeds, and grains. Among vegetables and fruits, quercetin content is highest in onions.

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01451/full

    Quercetin also prevents other viral infections, like influenza and works well with vitamin C to improve our immune response. I have been taking Quercetin for 20 years, as it reduces lung inflamation and helps me control my asthma. Quercetin acutely relaxes airway smooth muscle and reduces inflamation in the lungs. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3763034/

    , @NOTA
    @Steve Richter

    Early on hospitals were trying zinc, but it didn’t seem to help much. Same with azithromycin/hydrochoroquinine, and probably a dozen other things that didn’t make the news. Doctors were throwing anything that looked like it might help at the disease, and mostly they didn’t do much good. That’s pretty much what always happens with a new disease—the same thing happened with AIDS and SARS.

    Luckily, covid19 mortality is down everywhere, probably because doctors learned a bunch of tricks for handling it better, but perhaps because it has mutated to a less nasty strain or existing precautions (masks, handwashing, plexiglass, 6 foot distancing) are causing most people to get a much smaller initial dose of virus. Or maybe by now the most susceptible people are just being extra careful so the folks that get covid are mostly not 70 year old diabetics with emphysema. It would be very nice to know which....

  32. the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus. And over 30% for people hospitalized because of it. Pretty bad odds for something touted as nothing more than the flu.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Steve Richter

    '... the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus.'

    In at least some countries, the question would be whether 2.5% of those infected with the Corona Virus die, or whether 2.5% of those who die happen to have had the Corona Virus.

    One would need to compare what percentage of those who die have the virus to what percentage of the general population have the Corona Virus. Else you could prove hang nails kill.

    Replies: @Steve Richter

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Steve Richter


    the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus
     
    For people under 75 (taken as a single group), the death rate is well below 1%; for under 30s it's so close to zero that it's not worth calculating.

    This has been a stylised fact of the death counts since late March, and by about May it was clear that anybody who didn't understand this was willfully ignoring it - as you are.

    Even for seniors, the CFR/IFR assumes that current case counts are a complete representation of those who have been infected by this woefully-inadequate excuse for a lethal pathogen.

    The fact that you conflated "infected by the virus" and "develop symptoms of a poorly-defined illness" is telling. Even today, in most of the world asymptomatic people generally don't get tested - and some paucisymptomatic people don't bother either, given the life-related chaos that could follow a positive test.

    The Australian NNDS data shows - categorically and unarguably - that health authorities have been deliberately under-counting influenza (by not bothering to look for it): the cumulative count of lab-confirmed influenza cases between April and August (to date) has fallen by 99.5% compared to the same period last year. So this winter Australia will record near-zero influenza deaths, for the first time in medical history: seems legit.
  33. Riots are good for you!

  34. @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    Of course.

    OMG, of course.

  35. Nobody wants to hear about your lousy -37%, Steve … at least those who have a lot invested in the continuation of Season 2 of this Kung Flu Panic-fest don’t. That would include the whole of the Infotainment industry, who’ve had the time of their lives over the last 6 months with this, high government officials of all kind who’ve got to exercise those emergency powers any damn way they please (“Whaaa? Governor Whitner is closing the beaches on the lakes!? I’m closing the boat ramps AND beaches the beaches! It’s good to be Governor!”), and “experts” far and wide with conflicting and ever-changing advice – got to keep up!

    This thing has gone too far, destroyed too many small businesses, put too many young people into hopeless and government dependency mode, and put too many people into a state of permanent hysteria, to back off on now. Nobody wants to hear that this was all for nothing.

    LOCK-DOWNED AMERICA STRONG!

    I’ve had 10 “Scenes from the Kung Flu Summer re-Panic” posts written already*, and really had other things to write about, but then had this Karen/Becky (not sure which one, but the one without the perky butt) running on a treadmill WITH a cloth mask telling me I needed to put on a mask while working out on an exercise bike 12 ft away! – So, Part 11.

    .

    I’ve about had it with this shit, and how about a quick apology, Steve, for going on and on about this for 2 solid months in the Spring? That did not help at all.

    * See Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, and Part 10.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "I’ve about had it with this shit, and how about a quick apology, Steve, for going on and on about this for 2 solid months in the Spring? That did not help at all."

    I am going to defend Sailer here. I don't think there was anything wrong with his virus coverage and even if there had been nobody bats 1000.

    There seems to have been an increase lately in people who seem to feel entitled to tell Sailer what to blog about. Suggestions are fine, demands (especially rude abusive demands) not so much.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @76239
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Right on!

  36. @theMann
    The whole point of the Masks from the beginning is that 1. They were inane, pointless, useless creation to stop the spread of the "virus" and 2. Were decidedly uncomfortable to wear. They were never used to stop disease, they were there to test obedience, and whole populations have obeyed,like whipped dogs rolling over and wetting themselves.


    The Powers That Be must be astounded at how readily everyone has bowed down to them. Expect the next round of events to be immeasurably nastier than the current round.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @BenKenobi, @ThurstonBT

    In the early stages of the pandemic, masks were a placebo. Maybe they reduce viral transmission. That’s good enough for a placebo.

    Regarding the PTB, I think they know that after 30 years of global-warming hysteria, a pandemic with palpable evidence was a slam dunk for increasing control over the population.

    Regarding the pandemic, isn’t it droll that:

    1. It started about the time the Democrats’ impeachment started to fail.
    2. Pelosi delayed sending the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate around the same time that the pandemic was taking root in Wuhan. (Was she waiting for confirmation that the pandemic would spread?)
    3. The CIA apparently was unaware of the pandemic or, did not report it to the President and Congress. (What do we pay the CIA to do?)
    4. The “media” seamlessly switched from impeachment propaganda to pandemic propaganda.
    5. The Democrats are using the pandemic for political advantage over Trump.

    Aside: I was watching PBS over the weekend and for the first time I saw a program where the program’s bait-and-switch had the pandemic as the “switch” instead of “global warming” or “Trump bad.”

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Coemgen


    1. It started about the time the Democrats’ impeachment started to fail.

     

    Did all the other countries that have suffered from the pandemic also have equivalent political trials?

    Replies: @Coemgen, @JMcG

  37. @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    I agree, Coronavirus will vanish quickly if Biden wins. They will also announce many effective treatments like hydroxychloroquine and other treatments. The Democratic governors will end their bans on HCQ by December. HCQ and other prophylactics will become more available to those who want to reduce their risk of getting COVID-19

    If Trump wins the democrats will continue to push the panic and try to keep the economy from recovering as they continue their war against America in an effort to weaken the political power of Trump and his supporters.

    So the upside of a Biden win will be the end of wearing masks and the re-opening of the economy , schools, churches etc…

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Travis

    Why would you think that? Biden already said he wants a national lockdown forever.

    This will never end. It destroys small business and boost Amazon. It hurts White people and helps blacks who if working do so for government of mega Corp .

    It allows can governor to be on TV every day.

    This will never ever end. Not ever. It will just get worse under Biden.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @JohnPlywood

  38. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    Might you have a particularly bad case of diverticulitis? Sore throat severe acid reflux?

    Vomiting stomach acid might have been gastroparesis?

    Regardless I hope you feel better and these symptoms never return!

    • Thanks: Thoughts
  39. @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    Everyone wears a mask in Germany. You can't go into a shop without a mask. No one is violating that (other than the Berlin thing.)

    Denmark was interesting. Before the government required masks to be worn on busses/trains this weekend. You could sit on the train and pick out Liberal versus Conservative Whites. It was a fun game. Young girls wearing masks--Liberal
    Guys wearing masks -Gay or trying to f** the liberal girls they were sitting with

    BuzzMohawk---Your Transylvania Brother doesn't exist or hasn't been there in the last 2 months. Everyone is wearing a mask in Germany.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    I meant, masks outside. Hardly anyone wears them. Except maybe Asian immigrants. They wear them in shops and public transportation only because it’s mandatory and they won’t let you in. And even then, many people wear them covering only the mouth, not the nose, which seems rather pointless. Also, while customers wear masks, cashiers and other workers increasingly don’t, which is weird. This in a region in Eastern Germany where I know some people who live there and keep me updated; I don’t know about the rest of Germany. I think in Western Germany and Bavaria etc they are being stricter. But in general, the truth is, people are sick to death of this corona stuff, and expect more protests like the one in Ireland (of course, maybe also the restlessness and the protests may have been planned too – the “Great Reset” and all that.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Dumbo


    Also, while customers wear masks, cashiers and other workers increasingly don’t, which is weird.
     
    Most of the cashiers are either behing plexiglass or wearing face shields, because it is asking a lot to ask someone to wear a mask for several hours of shiftwork. I think some public policy types in the relatively saner parts of Europe realise there is little upside to pissing off the public with things that clearly aren’t based on science.

    What’s truly amazing is how the governments of the Anglo-American world are getting away with going full-China ... when did you all become such pu**ies?
  40. I am concerned about Madison, WI in the fall and winter. My wife and one of my kids are health care workers here.

    Big university here. I don’t think the university did a very good job of preparing for opening. The county has some restrictions, but students tend to ignore those.

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country. You would be amazed as to how many students drink themselves out of college. That is why they have automatic admission to their flagship university for any student who can complete two years at either a community college or any other campus in the university with a decent GPA. Those more serious students replace the freshmen and sophomores who drank themselves out of college.

    At some point in the fall the parties will all move indoors, due to the weather. They might move indoors earlier to avoid detection.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Paleo Liberal

    I drank myself into college. So good things can happen to bad people.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Paleo Liberal

    Seriously, P.L., you're worried about the healthy young people drinking and partying, when you've got black and Commie riots going on in Wisconsin? Hell, what'd they borrow 60 Large of the taxpayers' money for, if not to have a hell of a time for 4 years, maybe 5, ... OK, 6 on the outside?

    The students will be just fine after a couple of hours praying to the porcelain goddess. Then, it's up at noon and over to Burger King for a water and a plain hamburger (no nothing on it), clear out that stomach, do some homework problems and then, hey, 5 dollar pitchers of cheap Milwaukee swill! Party on, dude.

    , @epebble
    @Paleo Liberal

    Schools and colleges are starting in September. As the weather starts cooling down,many hitherto outdoor restaurants and bars will move indoor. We should be careful that there is no third peak in October. The current downtrend is a function of no movies/theaters, uncrowded hotels, 30% full airlines/public transport etc., low density environment.

    Replies: @jimbo

    , @anon
    @Paleo Liberal

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country.

    The UW administration better jump on that right now. Close or severely limit the seating of bars near the campus, make a big deal about "No more than 10 people at any gathering" so that parties don't exceed 15, possibly cut a deal with the mayor on crowd issues. Didn't the Big 10 cancel football? If not then UW better shut down tailgating and bar alcohol in the stadium.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    Yes, future time orientation is an important aspect of any person's life. That leaks into a larger issue: who really will benefit from actual 4+ year college vs. 2 year tech school vs. apprenticeship, but that whole discussion isn't even a topic right now. It will be in a couple of years as the smaller liberal arts schools begin to go bankrupt, close, merge, etc.

    Speaking of "poor planning"...

    WAIT: WHAT ABOUT ALTHEA?

    Don't we and especially you people in Madison have a duty to help track down the evil Hawaii-shirt wearing Haven Monahan gang that tried to set innocent little Althea on fire.?That should be job one, solving such a despicable crime.

    Don't you agree? Isn't finding, arresting and punishing such vicious racists important to you? Isn't it?

    , @Testing12
    @Paleo Liberal

    If covid were actually a dangerous threat, your concern might be warranted. Fortunately, it's not. You should be far more worried about other things in our country these days.

  41. Meanwhile in Wuhan.

  42. • Replies: @Whiskey
    @El Dato

    Women are a reliable indicator of what men have power. Hint it's not White men.

    Black men rule the West. Have since the early 1960s

    Replies: @Clyde, @Corvinus

  43. Anon[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    Here is what is most important:

    Daily Covid deaths is the most important number
    Then daily new hospitalizations numbers
    Daily new case numbers are least useful. We know the more testing, the more infections, be they trivial or serious.

    Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.
    Even without deploying the hydroxy combo, the Docs have learned a lot in the last 6 months on how to rescue and cure those who get serious Covid infections. Diabetes and obesity are linked and are the worst underlying co-factor to have if you come down with covid. Some are born with weak immune systems or have acquired such conditions. This is a very bad co-factor to have.

    Many Americans have diabetes, pre-diabetes, undiagnosed diabetes. You can be skinny or normal weight to have one of these. Get the more advanced diabetes test next time you get a checkup. Not the simple and common one they do in any check up.

    Look up quercetin - zinc combos as a preventive if you are worried. Very common at Amazon and elsewhere. Look up BHT as a common anti-viral for lipid coated viruses. BHT as a preventative.
    _____________________

    Combating COVID-19 with Zinc and Quercetin – Nutritional ...
    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/...
    Mar 21, 2020 · Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Steve Richter, @Anon, @prosa123, @DRA, @travis

    @ Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.

    Exactly. Use an oximeter also.

    If very vulnerable, evaluate an oxigen concentrator and/or nebulizer with cortisone. (Many kids with asthma or pre-asthma use this). These are for home treatments.

  44. @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    I'll take things that never happened for $500, Alex:

    https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/20/barry-wesley-colorado-state-antifa-daily-cover

    When a Black lineman from Colorado State went knocking on doors in a white neighborhood, he found himself at the dangerous intersection of a national racial reckoning and a world of internet-conspiracy fanaticism.
     

    Replies: @Barnard

    It really happened. The guy is crazy, but it didn’t have anything to do with race. A good piece of advice would be not to take a summer job for a sleazy roofing company that expects you to knock on doors with “no soliciting” posted on them, especially during a period of civil unrest and and a hyped up pandemic.

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/scott-gudmundsen-police-reports-loveland-antifa/73-c2c5efa5-8b02-42c1-a051-d54d6fd536d1

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  45. @Dumbo
    It doesn't matter. They will continue to scare people with this, independently of data. While trying at the same time to increase protests of blacks against whites and the social order.

    In Germany now they are talking about forbidding parties with more than 10 people again. This after massive protests in Berlin against the measures, and the fact that most people now don't even wear a mask and cases have not noticeably increased. The same in other countries. Curfews in Melbourne. In Italy the local government in Sicily wanted to close migrant centres because of the increase in Covid cases, the central government in Rome forbid it. Keeping migration on is more important than Covid.

    It's really more about controlling the population. People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying. But will it matter?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Wielgus, @Ano, @JohnPlywood, @U. Ranus

    The Covid shutdowns have benefitted white men more in 4 months than Donald Trump’s presidency did in 4 years.

    All you people complaining about the shutdown are minority drug dealers and white women who lost their barista jobs.

    And yes, you will be controlled. Only fatass white women are paranoid about being “controlled”. Get mad piggy, an authority figure is about to tell you what to do!!!

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @JohnPlywood

    I don't usually reply to retards (and in fact you're in my "ignore" list), but I will make an exception just this time.

    "White men" did not benefit in any way from this corona madness. Migration was hardly even stopped, African boats are resuming in Europe and Mexicans illegals keep living la vida loca in the USA. All laws and regulations created during this period made life worse for almost anyone who cares about normality. I can't see anyone who "benefitted" from this crap, except Amazon, Facebook, Netflix, and idiot perverts like you who like to stay home all day watching interracial Asian porn. So I have no idea why you are saying any of this.

    As for Donald Trump, who cares, I don't think he did much at all about "white people", nor cares to do anything at all, and honestly I don't care about the clown. Bye.

  46. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    @Buzz Mohawk

    For some weird reason, in the case of Covid, Germans are being less strict / authoritarian and following less rules than the Italians/Spanish. Maybe because there is more skepticism about the whole thing, although skepticism is growing in Italy and Spain too. No one wants a "second wave lockdown".

    In general, this Covid lockdown stuff has been a disaster for Southern Europe (economy based more on tourism, gastronomy, etc) and less for Northern Europe. And yet Southern Europe is being more forced to lockdown. I guess someone wants to completely destroy their economies, and then flood them with migrants, but I have no idea who could benefit from such chaos......

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Everyone is wearing a mask in Germany…you can’t go into shops without it

    Where are you guys getting all this crazy info?

    Denmark has now made it mandatory in public transport.

    They are trying to keep the R0 down to prevent UK slapping them with 2 week quarantine

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anonymous

    What part of Germany do you live in?

    , @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    From friends in Germany (a small town in the former Eastern part).

    As I said in another comment, people are using masks only in shops and public transportation. No one uses them in the streets, at least there.

    And increasingly in shops, only because of regulations - although it seems that many clerks and cashiers are not using the masks, only the customers... So it may be less mandatory now, or they are caring less... But I know that in other parts of Germany (i.e. Munich, Hamburg) they are being much more strict. Thanks.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Buzz Mohawk

  47. This Alex Berenson thread is instructive in showing just how much bad faith the media has in its coverage of Covid. I’d say the level of duplicity was shocking were it not for the fact that this is now totally expected behavior.

  48. @theMann
    The whole point of the Masks from the beginning is that 1. They were inane, pointless, useless creation to stop the spread of the "virus" and 2. Were decidedly uncomfortable to wear. They were never used to stop disease, they were there to test obedience, and whole populations have obeyed,like whipped dogs rolling over and wetting themselves.


    The Powers That Be must be astounded at how readily everyone has bowed down to them. Expect the next round of events to be immeasurably nastier than the current round.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @BenKenobi, @ThurstonBT

    Yep. Up here in the fake and gay “country” of Canada they are slowly starting to make masks mandatory in various places. Even though the lockdown is lifted, everyone is bored of it, and life has returned to normal. NOW they make masks mandatory. It’s all so tiresome.

    One piece of good news is that the nightly 7pm “clap if you believe” douche parade has completely faded away.

  49. @Paleo Liberal
    I am concerned about Madison, WI in the fall and winter. My wife and one of my kids are health care workers here.

    Big university here. I don’t think the university did a very good job of preparing for opening. The county has some restrictions, but students tend to ignore those.

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country. You would be amazed as to how many students drink themselves out of college. That is why they have automatic admission to their flagship university for any student who can complete two years at either a community college or any other campus in the university with a decent GPA. Those more serious students replace the freshmen and sophomores who drank themselves out of college.

    At some point in the fall the parties will all move indoors, due to the weather. They might move indoors earlier to avoid detection.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman, @epebble, @anon, @Testing12

    I drank myself into college. So good things can happen to bad people.

  50. We should continue all the bumph anyway.

    After all, who knows when the virus might come back…or another disease appear.

    We’ll all just shelter in place…forever.

    It’s safest.

  51. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks."

    By way of contrast, I drove through Yellow Springs, Ohio, this last weekend. YS is home of Antioch College, a small town frozen permanently in the Age of Aquarius, 1967. It's populated by old Hippies and hard left college professors and young, purple-haired SJWs.

    There was a big sign down town. "Be kind, wear a mask." That sign was duplicated on lawns throughout the town. Everyone, I mean everyone was wearing a mask -- outside on a beautiful, sunny breezy day. It was like driving through a village of zombies.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2020/05/striking-through-mask.html

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon, @Anonymous

    He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.

    Don’t be silly. There may be differences in regional attitudes but I can’t believe this is true.

    Not wearing masks outside, sure. But not in stores? Not happening.

    I will spare you an image of Mutti Merkel and dump you directly to:

    https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/coronavirus/corona-massnahmen-1734724

    Darüber hinaus gilt in allen Bundesländern eine Pflicht zum Tragen einer Mund-Nase-Bedeckung beim Einkaufen.

    Translation: “There is a nationwide obligation to wear masks when shopping.”

    It is accompanied by a refreshingly toned-down instructional video without bullshit CGI, infantile eomjis or personified virus particles. Also nondiverse.

    Also, here are the countries considered as outbreak zones. Coming from there, you may have to go into quarantine. Funnily enough, Belgium is not but Antwerp/Brussels are:

    https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html

  52. The worst of the 24-hr big government, TV network affiliates in my area won’t stop talking about the virus’ death toll, the necessary precautions, etc.

    Occasionally, it switches to a reporter, reporting live from one of the small, abandoned towns (not too far from us) to show video of burned out homes.

    The reporter is always seen wearing his anti-virus face mask.

    The locals forced to flee never wore them.

  53. @Paleo Liberal
    I am concerned about Madison, WI in the fall and winter. My wife and one of my kids are health care workers here.

    Big university here. I don’t think the university did a very good job of preparing for opening. The county has some restrictions, but students tend to ignore those.

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country. You would be amazed as to how many students drink themselves out of college. That is why they have automatic admission to their flagship university for any student who can complete two years at either a community college or any other campus in the university with a decent GPA. Those more serious students replace the freshmen and sophomores who drank themselves out of college.

    At some point in the fall the parties will all move indoors, due to the weather. They might move indoors earlier to avoid detection.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman, @epebble, @anon, @Testing12

    Seriously, P.L., you’re worried about the healthy young people drinking and partying, when you’ve got black and Commie riots going on in Wisconsin? Hell, what’d they borrow 60 Large of the taxpayers’ money for, if not to have a hell of a time for 4 years, maybe 5, … OK, 6 on the outside?

    The students will be just fine after a couple of hours praying to the porcelain goddess. Then, it’s up at noon and over to Burger King for a water and a plain hamburger (no nothing on it), clear out that stomach, do some homework problems and then, hey, 5 dollar pitchers of cheap Milwaukee swill! Party on, dude.

    • Agree: Federalist
  54. Covid-19 is the hammer, we are the nail. In California one school district send about 300 kids home during the day and said they had misread the covid numbers…from July. Berkeley opens swimming pools but not the locker rooms, so piss in the pool I guess. NYS is laying in PPE supplies to last for at least 90 days because, well because. My son just put my grandson in a private middle school because his district is providing just seven hours of online a week.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    Berkeley opens swimming pools but not the locker rooms, so piss in the pool I guess.

    You mean that hasn't always been the policy, Joe?

    - every kid under 6.

    Replies: @JMcG

  55. @Clyde

    Corona Cases Down 37% Since Over Last 30 Days
     
    Trump needs more and more of these good numbers to boast about. This will help him win against Biden-Harris. The CNN_MSNBC mass media will do their best to keep covid panic alive. Their best to obscure and lie about these improving numbers. I love Trump forcefully bragging and boasting, and consider it one of his best, most effective campaign tactics.

    Because the mass media driven Covid panic brainwashing is deep, I know this from seeing so many people wearing masks outdoors in non-crowded situations. At least where I live.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon

    Trump isn’t saying anything because everyone knows the virus’ numbers are going to jump when kids enter school.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  56. @Jim Christian

    Doesn’t seem to matter to the teachers — they won’t budge over here.
     
    Teachers being over-paid layabouts long before coronavirus are demanding schools stay closed in Boston through New Years'. They're loving sitting home on their ever-fattening asses at full pay and bennies. I knew those were crocodile tears when they used to pretend they missed the kids back in March when schools closed up here. They should be treated to the same process Reagan put on the PATCO air traffic controllers. Show up or be fired.

    I suspect NEA and the SEIU unions are a bit stronger than PATCO, however.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Buffalo Joe, @prosa123

    Jim, remember I said this, The fourth greatest lie “It’s for the kids” And the fifth greatest lie “We don’t get paid over the summer.” Last week at our local Walgreens they had candy bars on the check out counter and they asked if you wanted to buy one to support local teachers. My wife, who is usually demure said, “Tell the teachers making over a $100k to give a couple thousand to the ones making $50K.”

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buffalo Joe


    Last week at our local Walgreens they had candy bars on the check out counter and they asked if you wanted to buy one to support local teachers.
     
    You'd think the big box store employees would be the last ones supporting the teachers.

    They have hundreds, sometimes thousands of people traipsing through their stores daily.

    Yet, we do not see an epidemic of big box worker hospitalizations and deaths.
    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Buffalo Joe

    Exactly when schoolteachers receive their (collectively quite large) allotment of government spending (“pay”) is likely a matter of (union) negotiation.

    For example, teachers could receive their $100K in a lump-sum, spread out over 180 “work”days, monthly, or whatever.

    Of course schoolteachers, like anyone else, prefer to receive the largest possible amount of money, at the soonest possible time, for the least amount of work. But unlike others, they expect redistributed (tax) dollars, no matter how little the kids learn (low productivity), with the amount automatically increasing each year, with maximum job security (tenure).

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  57. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dumbo

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks.

    It doesn't seem to be hurting them, does it?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Dumbo, @kaganovitch

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him.

    Dude, it’s not the mask. It’s the cape.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    Excellent!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  58. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    It’s nice to hear somebody speaking from actual personal experience for once. My cousin said she had the exact same symptoms–and later tested positive for the virus. She said it was the worst experience of her life.

    But these bozos will tell you you are just a hoax. Don’t let the bastards get you down.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @obwandiyag

    Well I agree with the Bozos.

    I get the flu 2-4 times a year. This is just one version of what I already experience every few months.

    This is worse for two reasons...the Stomach complaint and the fact that for 24 hours I got bombarded with EVERY symptom.

    But in 2005 I had a flu that went on FOR DAYS...though somewhat milder...and at the end my skin had a green tint to it.

    And then I got H1N1 which lasted for 3 solid days before the sore throat left.

    The sore throat was 30 hours exactly with this latest Covid possibility.

    So it is a vicious little bug, but I've had several that compete.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

  59. @Paleo Liberal
    I am concerned about Madison, WI in the fall and winter. My wife and one of my kids are health care workers here.

    Big university here. I don’t think the university did a very good job of preparing for opening. The county has some restrictions, but students tend to ignore those.

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country. You would be amazed as to how many students drink themselves out of college. That is why they have automatic admission to their flagship university for any student who can complete two years at either a community college or any other campus in the university with a decent GPA. Those more serious students replace the freshmen and sophomores who drank themselves out of college.

    At some point in the fall the parties will all move indoors, due to the weather. They might move indoors earlier to avoid detection.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman, @epebble, @anon, @Testing12

    Schools and colleges are starting in September. As the weather starts cooling down,many hitherto outdoor restaurants and bars will move indoor. We should be careful that there is no third peak in October. The current downtrend is a function of no movies/theaters, uncrowded hotels, 30% full airlines/public transport etc., low density environment.

    • Replies: @jimbo
    @epebble

    There was never any "second peak". There was a small, seasonal peak in the Southern States after the first, large peak in the northern states (fully following the model for flu viruses discovered 100 years ago) The waning of those peals had everything to do with the normal seasonality of Coronaaviruses and nothing to do with any of the coronatheatre we have been subjected to over the last 6 months.

  60. @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    Gregory said: “My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.”

    You’re on the right track. But not until the “vaccine” (and the enormous profits from it) have been realized first. Early in 2021, I bet.

    This virus has a huge political dimension to it. A Democratic Congress, White House and most state governors will give the globalists what they want: megamoney for the vaccine and, even more importantly, the chance to abrogate basic natural rights and liberties in the name of “fighting a pandemic.”
    The U.S. Constitution will be gutted even further.

    A total surveillance state, complete with expensive “robocops” from military intelligence tech companies (that’s the real Deep State reason for “Defund the Police”, although the useful idiots with the bullhorns at the “protests” are clueless), is to be imposed everywhere soon.

    Whiskey’s prediction that we will all be in the “camps” may not be far away.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paul Jolliffe


    This virus has a huge political dimension to it. A Democratic Congress, White House and most state governors will give the globalists what they want: megamoney for the vaccine...
     
    They already got the megamoney for their tech-titan allies, who made out like bandits during the lockdown, as mom-and-pop brick-and-mortars went down for the count.

    I don't suppose the GOP is smart enough to make the argument that the lockdown devastated real Americans and enriched the techies.

    Oh, and gave them even more political power, i.e., deplatforming with impunity.

  61. Everybody still got their pulse oximeters?

  62. OT

    The ‘Nice White Parents’ podcast pretty much breaks the iSteve meter. It’s as big and slow a softball you could ever hope for. I hope you find time to review it.

  63. @Dan
    California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona and Louisiana are probably in great shape going forward. Mild climates lack the seasonality in respiratory illness of places with serious winters. Worldwide, Brazil and Mexico should be good going forward. In such places, locals likely have less natural immunity compared to people in cold climates to seasonal respiratory ailments and summer offers no special improvement in respiratory health so they have had to face Covid without respite. Yet with the benefit of continuous humidity, their final death rates will be lower than colder climates.

    Meanwhile, New England, the mid-Atlantic, the Midwest and the northern tier as well as northern Europe and Canada are likely to get a second wave in winter. In these places, locals have some innate immunity to respiratory ailments and seasonality is huge, so R0 is low in summer and high in winter. In climates with hard winters, respiratory health is far higher in summer than in winter, when very dry indoor air is very damaging to respiratory immunity. Northern places that are patting themselves on the back are presently in the eye of the hurricane.

    This is foreseeable but most people can't see the obvious. I am sure northern places will totally not realize that they need to humidify indoors -- especially in hospitals and nursing homes -- to ameliorate COVID this winter and will therefore get hit with a second wave much more severely than they need to be.

    Steve, it is great that you bought 3 humidifiers early in the pandemic but you live in Southern California. It is the places with serious winter that get dangerously dry indoor air (such as in the 20% range) which need humidifiers to increase respiratory health and immunity in winter. Maybe you can send those humidifiers to a northern relative this winter and save a life!

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Known Fact

    Hey doctor Dan, I blocked you earlier so I don’t have to read your humidifier bull crap, so stop name shifting.

    • Replies: @Dan
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    JSOM -- MD is my state, genius. You haven't made any argument. I comment here hoping for people not so far beneath my level. It is hit and miss. In any case, the seasonality will come back around soon enough.

  64. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jim Christian

    Jim, remember I said this, The fourth greatest lie "It's for the kids" And the fifth greatest lie "We don't get paid over the summer." Last week at our local Walgreens they had candy bars on the check out counter and they asked if you wanted to buy one to support local teachers. My wife, who is usually demure said, "Tell the teachers making over a $100k to give a couple thousand to the ones making $50K."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Abolish_public_education

    Last week at our local Walgreens they had candy bars on the check out counter and they asked if you wanted to buy one to support local teachers.

    You’d think the big box store employees would be the last ones supporting the teachers.

    They have hundreds, sometimes thousands of people traipsing through their stores daily.

    Yet, we do not see an epidemic of big box worker hospitalizations and deaths.

  65. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    Why would you even consider going to a public gym is you were sick no matter the situation, pandemic or no?

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @nixxer

    I thought the stomach pain was caused by something else. So I decided to man up and work through it at the gym.

    At that point, I had no idea that stomach pain could be an early symptom. No idea.

    Who knows maybe, like another commentator suggests, it wasn't Covid at all?

    Or maybe the flu compounded by an existing stomach problem...I dunnos. I'll get an antibody test and report back

  66. Anonymous[428] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    That’s what I thought initially. But the virus plandemic has morphed from Coupvid-11/3 into Covid-1984. Governments have seen what an amazing tool this is to control the population and will not let it go anytime soon.

    A big culprit in fomenting this inanity, with its lockdowns and masks, has been an Arab money shifter with zero background in the biological or life sciences. Or any real science (his Ph.D. is in management science and holds and MBA).

    Meanwhile, a CEO of a Cambridge biotech company, Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, a guy with 4 MIT degrees, including a Ph.D. in biological engineering, says, “the coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest frauds to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push mandated medicine!”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/mit-biologist-and-inventer-of-email-dr-shiva-ayyadurai-says-deep-state-fear-mongering-on-coronavirus-will-go-down-as-biggest-fraud-to-manipulate-economies/

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    That’s what I thought initially. But the virus plandemic has morphed from Coupvid-11/3 into Covid-1984. Governments have seen what an amazing tool this is to control the population and will not let it go anytime soon.
     
    I've arrived at the same conclusion.

    Governments are going to play the, "Simon Says," lockdown game in perpetuity.
    , @Anon7
    @Anonymous

    Thank you, Covid-1984 it is.

    If the Dems win this fall, they'll never give this up. No small businesses. Period. Free enterprise is over. The Dems will say to white people the same thing they said to black women - "You can't depend on your man for a paycheck! Depend on your government check, honey!"

    If you're not afraid of this scenario, you just don't understand today's Democrats.

    Donald Trump trumpeting our economic achievements up until February really scared Democrats. The fact that more and more blacks and hispanics were discovering that they could make more money (and feel better about themselves) by working in a dynamic economy was a death knell to their hopes for social control.

    With Covid-1984, the Dems have a chance.

  67. @Bill P
    Doesn't seem to matter to the teachers -- they won't budge over here.

    It's kind of weird how children have been targeted with the most punitive measures. No school, playgrounds cordoned off with police tape, toddlers forced to comply with burdensome rules they can't possibly understand...

    The developmental implications are going to be severe, especially for the kids the democrats claim to care about. How much will the black illiteracy rate rise among the current black crop of elementary school students because of this? How many immigrant children will never gain native proficiency in English? If the teachers get their way, the kids will miss up to a year of school at a critical time.

    Language acquisition tails off at the age of twelve. That gives them 54-63 months of school to acquire a skill that has more influence on their later success than any other. If they miss only six of those months, that's 10% of the total.

    Will that have future implications? You bet it will! Yet, somehow, this is considered trivial compared to the menace of coronavirus. So, let it be known that we are willing to sacrifice the futures of millions of children in order to save, what, a thousand people who have already lived full lives and maybe a couple dozen unlucky healthy people. And that's probably an overestimate given that there's no solid evidence that keeping kids out of school makes any difference in the long run anyway.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @but an humble craftsman, @Mr. Anon

    “It’s kind of weird how children have been targeted with the most punitive measures. No school, playgrounds cordoned off with police tape, toddlers forced to comply with burdensome rules they can’t possibly understand…”

    It is child abuse and emotional terrorism to teach children that everyone will die unless they diaper up forever and never touch or even closely approach another human. Expect profound mental illness among these alienated, systematically-abused children for the rest of our lives. My girlfriend will homeschool her children from here forward because the CDC diktats are so disturbing and abusive.

    Why do adults abuse children? Because it’s so easy.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  68. It’s the lull before the storm. When influenza season starts again this fall, BS-2020 cases will increase and Democratic governors will launch economic and psychological terror attacks upon their citizens. If Joe Diapers is erected, Uncle Samantha will launch a terror attack against the entire nation. This will go on the rest of your lives…. because there aren’t enough American men left with any brains or balls.

    Nigh on six months into this mass hysteria, I changed nothing about my behavior and never donned a facediaper. If every man behaved as I do, this hoax never gets started. Today is not too late, men.

  69. Are false positives removed from the total number of cases reported?

    • Replies: @ThurstonBT
    @Goatweed

    I suspect strongly that false positive tests are NOT removed from the reported case counts.

    Consider what testing and subsequent actions would be necessary to detect and remove false positives from case count reporting.

  70. @Planet Albany
    Deaths down today, too.
    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=USA~OWID_WRL&deathsMetric=true&interval=daily&hideControls=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

    Replies: @Not Raul

    It looks like 7 day rolling average deaths have been pretty flat for the last three weeks.

  71. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks."

    By way of contrast, I drove through Yellow Springs, Ohio, this last weekend. YS is home of Antioch College, a small town frozen permanently in the Age of Aquarius, 1967. It's populated by old Hippies and hard left college professors and young, purple-haired SJWs.

    There was a big sign down town. "Be kind, wear a mask." That sign was duplicated on lawns throughout the town. Everyone, I mean everyone was wearing a mask -- outside on a beautiful, sunny breezy day. It was like driving through a village of zombies.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2020/05/striking-through-mask.html

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon, @Anonymous

    There was a big sign down town. “Be kind, wear a mask.” That sign was duplicated on lawns throughout the town.

    Trolling opportunity: “Be kind. Everyone’s life matters. Wear a mask”. Just for the cog-dis lolz.

  72. @Clyde
    Here is what is most important:

    Daily Covid deaths is the most important number
    Then daily new hospitalizations numbers
    Daily new case numbers are least useful. We know the more testing, the more infections, be they trivial or serious.

    Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.
    Even without deploying the hydroxy combo, the Docs have learned a lot in the last 6 months on how to rescue and cure those who get serious Covid infections. Diabetes and obesity are linked and are the worst underlying co-factor to have if you come down with covid. Some are born with weak immune systems or have acquired such conditions. This is a very bad co-factor to have.

    Many Americans have diabetes, pre-diabetes, undiagnosed diabetes. You can be skinny or normal weight to have one of these. Get the more advanced diabetes test next time you get a checkup. Not the simple and common one they do in any check up.

    Look up quercetin - zinc combos as a preventive if you are worried. Very common at Amazon and elsewhere. Look up BHT as a common anti-viral for lipid coated viruses. BHT as a preventative.
    _____________________

    Combating COVID-19 with Zinc and Quercetin – Nutritional ...
    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/...
    Mar 21, 2020 · Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Steve Richter, @Anon, @prosa123, @DRA, @travis

    According to a detailed research report by the Kaiser healthcare system, obesity by itself, in other words without other comorbidities, is a major risk factor for virus complications including death in men but not in women. It has to do with different fat distribution patterns. Women usually carry extra weight on their hips and rear ends, where it presents very few health risks. Men add fat to their abdomens and among their internal organs, where it is dangerous both for the virus and in many other respects. Any man who can’t see his feet when standing up straight had better do something very quickly about losing weight.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @prosa123


    According to a detailed research report by the Kaiser healthcare system, obesity by itself, in other words without other comorbidities, is a major risk factor for virus complications including death in men but not in women. It has to do with different fat distribution patterns. Women usually carry extra weight on their hips and rear ends, where it presents very few health risks. Men add fat to their abdomens and among their internal organs, where it is dangerous both for the virus and in many other respects. Any man who can’t see his feet when standing up straight had better do something very quickly about losing weight.
     
    You are right about men having fat around abdomen. A large pot belly means gobs of fat in that region. Means fatty organs, meaning more fat within organs. Fat in between the laboring cells. Also fat between your organs. It is great to have a six pack. Not that I do yet. Women see a six pack and they see a health status that they want to be allied with. Know you are taking care of yourself, and probably better than they do for themselves.

    Women usually carry extra weight on their hips and rear ends, where it presents very few health risks.
     
    It is not uncommon for a white woman to have a slim and pretty face and an outlandish size ass. They are like a camel, fat is there for survival. But maybe this means she gets eaten first, like the Donner Party.
  73. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    I had exactly these same symptoms after watching Kamala Harris’ acceptance speech.

  74. @Jim Christian

    Doesn’t seem to matter to the teachers — they won’t budge over here.
     
    Teachers being over-paid layabouts long before coronavirus are demanding schools stay closed in Boston through New Years'. They're loving sitting home on their ever-fattening asses at full pay and bennies. I knew those were crocodile tears when they used to pretend they missed the kids back in March when schools closed up here. They should be treated to the same process Reagan put on the PATCO air traffic controllers. Show up or be fired.

    I suspect NEA and the SEIU unions are a bit stronger than PATCO, however.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Buffalo Joe, @prosa123

    Teachers say they’re worried about returning to the schools. So, what about Walmart employees? I use them as an example because it’s the largest private sector employer. They’ve been out working in the stores all along for much less pay. In addition, rather than being in controlled environments like schools, they’re exposed to all sorts of random customers every day, including a fair percentage of People of Walmart with all their weird diseases and nonexistent personal hygiene.

    • Replies: @jimbo
    @prosa123

    You obviously don't understand. Teachers Matter, Wal-mart workers Don't Matter (unless they're Black Lives, I suppose, since they always matter - unless snuffed out by other Black Lives.)

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @prosa123

    prosa, Buffalo public school teachers rank at the top for the number of days out of the classroom, averaging 18 days missed. This is not holiday time off, but absenteeism. That is more than three weeks of class time missed. And this is before the C-19.

  75. @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    Not so fast, I think — they’d keep pumping the virus until around next spring, when they could claim that several months of wise Biden leadership have worked miracles and beaten back the threat.

    The other possibility is that with Trump gone, the Dems will double-down on iron-fisted control and we’ll never see the end of COVID-1984

  76. Danbury CT late Friday issued an alert due to an uptick in cases over the past few weeks. But no word on what “cases” might mean — positive tests? Actual symptoms?

  77. @epebble
    @Paleo Liberal

    Schools and colleges are starting in September. As the weather starts cooling down,many hitherto outdoor restaurants and bars will move indoor. We should be careful that there is no third peak in October. The current downtrend is a function of no movies/theaters, uncrowded hotels, 30% full airlines/public transport etc., low density environment.

    Replies: @jimbo

    There was never any “second peak”. There was a small, seasonal peak in the Southern States after the first, large peak in the northern states (fully following the model for flu viruses discovered 100 years ago) The waning of those peals had everything to do with the normal seasonality of Coronaaviruses and nothing to do with any of the coronatheatre we have been subjected to over the last 6 months.

  78. @prosa123
    @Jim Christian

    Teachers say they're worried about returning to the schools. So, what about Walmart employees? I use them as an example because it's the largest private sector employer. They've been out working in the stores all along for much less pay. In addition, rather than being in controlled environments like schools, they're exposed to all sorts of random customers every day, including a fair percentage of People of Walmart with all their weird diseases and nonexistent personal hygiene.

    Replies: @jimbo, @Buffalo Joe

    You obviously don’t understand. Teachers Matter, Wal-mart workers Don’t Matter (unless they’re Black Lives, I suppose, since they always matter – unless snuffed out by other Black Lives.)

  79. @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    Everyone is wearing a mask in Germany...you can't go into shops without it

    Where are you guys getting all this crazy info?

    Denmark has now made it mandatory in public transport.

    They are trying to keep the R0 down to prevent UK slapping them with 2 week quarantine

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo

    What part of Germany do you live in?

  80. @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    Everyone is wearing a mask in Germany...you can't go into shops without it

    Where are you guys getting all this crazy info?

    Denmark has now made it mandatory in public transport.

    They are trying to keep the R0 down to prevent UK slapping them with 2 week quarantine

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo

    From friends in Germany (a small town in the former Eastern part).

    As I said in another comment, people are using masks only in shops and public transportation. No one uses them in the streets, at least there.

    And increasingly in shops, only because of regulations – although it seems that many clerks and cashiers are not using the masks, only the customers… So it may be less mandatory now, or they are caring less… But I know that in other parts of Germany (i.e. Munich, Hamburg) they are being much more strict. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    That's true, I don't know how crazy they are in the U.S. with wearing masks outdoor in nature

    But no one in Germany or Denmark wear masks outdoors

    That's just stupid

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dumbo

    Obviously things are changing from place to place and time to time. Next week I suppose my brother-in-law might tell me everyone he sees in Germany is wearing a mask.

    What is interesting about Germany is what you indicated. They are not being the most disciplined about this, contrary to their stereotype. I give them, at least parts of their public, credit for being smart and having a shred of will left. Lockdowns and masks are causing far more harm than just shielding or "locking down" the vulnerable would.

    If media and government tracked and hyped annual flus and other deaths, if they gave us the barrage that they have done with this, people would be just as terrified as they are now. This is an example of selecting an event that is common and reacting to it differently for whatever reason. It's almost like using the George Floyd video -- just another black man resisting arrest and fucking himself in the process -- to start riots across America and pump the Democrat vote.

  81. @Dumbo
    It doesn't matter. They will continue to scare people with this, independently of data. While trying at the same time to increase protests of blacks against whites and the social order.

    In Germany now they are talking about forbidding parties with more than 10 people again. This after massive protests in Berlin against the measures, and the fact that most people now don't even wear a mask and cases have not noticeably increased. The same in other countries. Curfews in Melbourne. In Italy the local government in Sicily wanted to close migrant centres because of the increase in Covid cases, the central government in Rome forbid it. Keeping migration on is more important than Covid.

    It's really more about controlling the population. People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying. But will it matter?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Wielgus, @Ano, @JohnPlywood, @U. Ranus

    People are increasingly not believing anything their governments or media are saying.

    A majority still believe, which is enough.

    I’ve come to think of the cholesterol lowering drug craze (statins) as a good model for what we can expect. For people disinclined to believe anything the TV tells them, it has been a settled case for at least twenty years. Yet everybody else made some companies untold billions richer while slowly ruining their own health.

    If this doesn’t die down before a sufficiently non-lethal vaccine becomes available, the profits generated will likewise be more than enough to keep flu panic alive for at least another two decades. Sadly, I think that’s the most likely outcome.

  82. Cases are BS. There are just too many variables to consider and inconsistencies in the way they are measured and reported. Virologists have basically been saying that for a century or two it seems.

    The best proxy for tracking the virus is deaths per million per day. It’s been down since March/April.

    There was an upswing more recently, not anywhere near previous highs. The 2nd wave is actually the 1st wave happening in places that never really got a 1st wave before. Virologists have also apparently known about this for a century or more and it follows flu patterns.

    Places that actually avoided it may still be in danger from it (ie New Zealand) but places that actually got hit with it (like most of the northern US) were done months ago. Chicago got it in March and April so of course all this mask obsession business started in May and is ongoing.

    All the new places it hits it does exactly the same thing it did in all the old places it hit, with no difference no matter what anyone does.

    This fact is perhaps more dangerous than the virus itself because people freak the hell out if they lose their false sense of pretend control and do crazy things to get it back.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Lars Porsena


    Places that actually avoided it may still be in danger from it (ie New Zealand) but places that actually got hit with it (like most of the northern US) were done months ago.
     
    I bet that New Zealand and Australia, despite their police-state measures, will end up with the same death-rates as any place else by the end of 2022.
  83. @JohnPlywood
    @Dumbo

    The Covid shutdowns have benefitted white men more in 4 months than Donald Trump's presidency did in 4 years.


    All you people complaining about the shutdown are minority drug dealers and white women who lost their barista jobs.


    And yes, you will be controlled. Only fatass white women are paranoid about being "controlled". Get mad piggy, an authority figure is about to tell you what to do!!!

    Replies: @Dumbo

    I don’t usually reply to retards (and in fact you’re in my “ignore” list), but I will make an exception just this time.

    “White men” did not benefit in any way from this corona madness. Migration was hardly even stopped, African boats are resuming in Europe and Mexicans illegals keep living la vida loca in the USA. All laws and regulations created during this period made life worse for almost anyone who cares about normality. I can’t see anyone who “benefitted” from this crap, except Amazon, Facebook, Netflix, and idiot perverts like you who like to stay home all day watching interracial Asian porn. So I have no idea why you are saying any of this.

    As for Donald Trump, who cares, I don’t think he did much at all about “white people”, nor cares to do anything at all, and honestly I don’t care about the clown. Bye.

  84. @Dan
    California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona and Louisiana are probably in great shape going forward. Mild climates lack the seasonality in respiratory illness of places with serious winters. Worldwide, Brazil and Mexico should be good going forward. In such places, locals likely have less natural immunity compared to people in cold climates to seasonal respiratory ailments and summer offers no special improvement in respiratory health so they have had to face Covid without respite. Yet with the benefit of continuous humidity, their final death rates will be lower than colder climates.

    Meanwhile, New England, the mid-Atlantic, the Midwest and the northern tier as well as northern Europe and Canada are likely to get a second wave in winter. In these places, locals have some innate immunity to respiratory ailments and seasonality is huge, so R0 is low in summer and high in winter. In climates with hard winters, respiratory health is far higher in summer than in winter, when very dry indoor air is very damaging to respiratory immunity. Northern places that are patting themselves on the back are presently in the eye of the hurricane.

    This is foreseeable but most people can't see the obvious. I am sure northern places will totally not realize that they need to humidify indoors -- especially in hospitals and nursing homes -- to ameliorate COVID this winter and will therefore get hit with a second wave much more severely than they need to be.

    Steve, it is great that you bought 3 humidifiers early in the pandemic but you live in Southern California. It is the places with serious winter that get dangerously dry indoor air (such as in the 20% range) which need humidifiers to increase respiratory health and immunity in winter. Maybe you can send those humidifiers to a northern relative this winter and save a life!

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Known Fact

    ALBANY NY Feb 24, 2021 — Gov. Cuomo today blasted President Trump for the state’s “crisis-level” humidifier shortage …

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  85. anon[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    I am concerned about Madison, WI in the fall and winter. My wife and one of my kids are health care workers here.

    Big university here. I don’t think the university did a very good job of preparing for opening. The county has some restrictions, but students tend to ignore those.

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country. You would be amazed as to how many students drink themselves out of college. That is why they have automatic admission to their flagship university for any student who can complete two years at either a community college or any other campus in the university with a decent GPA. Those more serious students replace the freshmen and sophomores who drank themselves out of college.

    At some point in the fall the parties will all move indoors, due to the weather. They might move indoors earlier to avoid detection.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman, @epebble, @anon, @Testing12

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country.

    The UW administration better jump on that right now. Close or severely limit the seating of bars near the campus, make a big deal about “No more than 10 people at any gathering” so that parties don’t exceed 15, possibly cut a deal with the mayor on crowd issues. Didn’t the Big 10 cancel football? If not then UW better shut down tailgating and bar alcohol in the stadium.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    Yes, future time orientation is an important aspect of any person’s life. That leaks into a larger issue: who really will benefit from actual 4+ year college vs. 2 year tech school vs. apprenticeship, but that whole discussion isn’t even a topic right now. It will be in a couple of years as the smaller liberal arts schools begin to go bankrupt, close, merge, etc.

    Speaking of “poor planning”…

    WAIT: WHAT ABOUT ALTHEA?

    Don’t we and especially you people in Madison have a duty to help track down the evil Hawaii-shirt wearing Haven Monahan gang that tried to set innocent little Althea on fire.?That should be job one, solving such a despicable crime.

    Don’t you agree? Isn’t finding, arresting and punishing such vicious racists important to you? Isn’t it?

  86. Anonymous[758] • Disclaimer says:

    The entire affair is such an obvious hoax. It started from the very beginning.

    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china. The chicom regime is scum and they played us like a fiddle for the crucial early months.

    Now they’re having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? “Sure why not, roundeye.”

    This giant psy-op worked perfectly for Xi. Solved his enormous Hong Kong dilemma and dropped the entire western world economically to its knees.

    Some much corruption at the WHO FDA NIH CDC has been revealed. So much FAKE NEWS.

    It’s a nursing home disease that bounces right off healthy people. The threat to general public is wildly exaggerated. The mask is slave training.

    REJECT THE CONDITIONING

    WALK PROUD WITHOUT A FACE DIAPER

    Get a grip and live life normally.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    Now they’re having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? “Sure why not, roundeye.”
     
    Why not?

    Surely the good people of Wuhan deserve a little downtime for their key role in the CCP's successful gaslighting of the entire Western world.
    , @peterike
    @Anonymous


    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china.

     

    Indeed. My favorite was the gang of dudes in hazmat suits walking down the street spraying bleach or something like that. Total psy-op!

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/02/15/business/15china-tracking-1/15china-tracking-1-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Kaz
    @Anonymous



    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china. The chicom regime is scum and they played us like a fiddle for the crucial early months.
     
    Why are you blaming China for believing random social media videos hyped up by morons?
    , @HA
    @Anonymous

    "Now they’re having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? "

    Seriously? Is whining about how the Chinese got it so good going to become a meme now, or is this just more PRC-funded trolling?

    I mean, talk about being careful what you wish for. We all got to enjoy the wonders of living in a country that isn't able to  track citizens (not openly, anyway), and that has to haggle over constitutionally civil liberties clauses and that has open debate and "Facebook science".

    In other words, some of the same people here who got exactly what they demanded are now complaining about how they've been played. Yeah, talk about nonsense.

    As it turns out, you get what you pay for (thanks so much, globalists!), and now, we all have to deal with the fallout one way or another. Preferably, more like adults and less like clueless idiots marvelling at how the Chinese kids (who had to deal with literally being welded shut inside their apartment blocks and being dragged out from their homes by men in hazmat suits into quarantine compounds) now get to go out and enjoy water parks (though I'm guessing the ongoing temperature checks, and contact tracing that Americans would be up-in-arms over if it were applied here somehow didn't make it into that crowded and wet photo op).

    I mean, if that's what you're jealous over, go for it. But again, be careful what you wish for.

    That's the other thing about bratty little tantrum-throwing snowflakes. They're always crying about how good everyone has it and how life just isn't fair.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  87. This CV19 story confirms the stereotype that what used to be called a “nudist colony” is actually more like a swingers resort.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/24/french-naturist-camp-hit-by-very-worrying-covid-outbreak

    French regional health authorities on Sunday said there had been a “very worrying” outbreak of coronavirus at a naturist holiday resort on France’s Mediterranean coast, with some 100 holidaymakers so far testing positive.

    The Cap d’Agde resort in the Herault region, hugely popular among naturists, saw 38 positive tests on Monday and another 57 on Wednesday, the regional health authority said.

    The rate of infection was four times higher among naturists in the resort than in the village itself, it added. Another 50 holidaymakers had also tested positive after returning home and results of more tests were expected next week.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So what? How many died or were hospitalised?

    The swing to counting cases versus evaluating outcomes is the real hoax here.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @prosa123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    This CV19 story confirms the stereotype that what used to be called a “nudist colony” is actually more like a swingers resort.

    The Cardinal Rule of Public Nudity: those who do, shouldn't.

  88. @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    From friends in Germany (a small town in the former Eastern part).

    As I said in another comment, people are using masks only in shops and public transportation. No one uses them in the streets, at least there.

    And increasingly in shops, only because of regulations - although it seems that many clerks and cashiers are not using the masks, only the customers... So it may be less mandatory now, or they are caring less... But I know that in other parts of Germany (i.e. Munich, Hamburg) they are being much more strict. Thanks.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Buzz Mohawk

    That’s true, I don’t know how crazy they are in the U.S. with wearing masks outdoor in nature

    But no one in Germany or Denmark wear masks outdoors

    That’s just stupid

  89. @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    From friends in Germany (a small town in the former Eastern part).

    As I said in another comment, people are using masks only in shops and public transportation. No one uses them in the streets, at least there.

    And increasingly in shops, only because of regulations - although it seems that many clerks and cashiers are not using the masks, only the customers... So it may be less mandatory now, or they are caring less... But I know that in other parts of Germany (i.e. Munich, Hamburg) they are being much more strict. Thanks.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Buzz Mohawk

    Obviously things are changing from place to place and time to time. Next week I suppose my brother-in-law might tell me everyone he sees in Germany is wearing a mask.

    What is interesting about Germany is what you indicated. They are not being the most disciplined about this, contrary to their stereotype. I give them, at least parts of their public, credit for being smart and having a shred of will left. Lockdowns and masks are causing far more harm than just shielding or “locking down” the vulnerable would.

    If media and government tracked and hyped annual flus and other deaths, if they gave us the barrage that they have done with this, people would be just as terrified as they are now. This is an example of selecting an event that is common and reacting to it differently for whatever reason. It’s almost like using the George Floyd video — just another black man resisting arrest and fucking himself in the process — to start riots across America and pump the Democrat vote.

  90. Anonymous[758] • Disclaimer says:

    Covid19 moved through the various countries/states following typical natural wave pattern of the coronavirus family. Corrupt leaders want to take credit with their lockdowns but it’s a hoax.

    Here are some great deep data researchers…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hold2LLC

    And then of course there is Berenson with easy to understand info for the masses…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson

    And of course Tony Heller the great climate change debunker shows the parallels between that hoax and the covid hoax…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/tony__heller

  91. @nixxer
    @Thoughts

    Why would you even consider going to a public gym is you were sick no matter the situation, pandemic or no?

    Replies: @Thoughts

    I thought the stomach pain was caused by something else. So I decided to man up and work through it at the gym.

    At that point, I had no idea that stomach pain could be an early symptom. No idea.

    Who knows maybe, like another commentator suggests, it wasn’t Covid at all?

    Or maybe the flu compounded by an existing stomach problem…I dunnos. I’ll get an antibody test and report back

  92. @obwandiyag
    @Thoughts

    It's nice to hear somebody speaking from actual personal experience for once. My cousin said she had the exact same symptoms--and later tested positive for the virus. She said it was the worst experience of her life.

    But these bozos will tell you you are just a hoax. Don't let the bastards get you down.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    Well I agree with the Bozos.

    I get the flu 2-4 times a year. This is just one version of what I already experience every few months.

    This is worse for two reasons…the Stomach complaint and the fact that for 24 hours I got bombarded with EVERY symptom.

    But in 2005 I had a flu that went on FOR DAYS…though somewhat milder…and at the end my skin had a green tint to it.

    And then I got H1N1 which lasted for 3 solid days before the sore throat left.

    The sore throat was 30 hours exactly with this latest Covid possibility.

    So it is a vicious little bug, but I’ve had several that compete.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Thoughts

    So you're a chump then. My apologies. I thought you were for real.

    Replies: @Thoughts

  93. @prosa123
    @Clyde

    According to a detailed research report by the Kaiser healthcare system, obesity by itself, in other words without other comorbidities, is a major risk factor for virus complications including death in men but not in women. It has to do with different fat distribution patterns. Women usually carry extra weight on their hips and rear ends, where it presents very few health risks. Men add fat to their abdomens and among their internal organs, where it is dangerous both for the virus and in many other respects. Any man who can't see his feet when standing up straight had better do something very quickly about losing weight.

    Replies: @Clyde

    According to a detailed research report by the Kaiser healthcare system, obesity by itself, in other words without other comorbidities, is a major risk factor for virus complications including death in men but not in women. It has to do with different fat distribution patterns. Women usually carry extra weight on their hips and rear ends, where it presents very few health risks. Men add fat to their abdomens and among their internal organs, where it is dangerous both for the virus and in many other respects. Any man who can’t see his feet when standing up straight had better do something very quickly about losing weight.

    You are right about men having fat around abdomen. A large pot belly means gobs of fat in that region. Means fatty organs, meaning more fat within organs. Fat in between the laboring cells. Also fat between your organs. It is great to have a six pack. Not that I do yet. Women see a six pack and they see a health status that they want to be allied with. Know you are taking care of yourself, and probably better than they do for themselves.

    Women usually carry extra weight on their hips and rear ends, where it presents very few health risks.

    It is not uncommon for a white woman to have a slim and pretty face and an outlandish size ass. They are like a camel, fat is there for survival. But maybe this means she gets eaten first, like the Donner Party.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  94. @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    I meant, masks outside. Hardly anyone wears them. Except maybe Asian immigrants. They wear them in shops and public transportation only because it's mandatory and they won't let you in. And even then, many people wear them covering only the mouth, not the nose, which seems rather pointless. Also, while customers wear masks, cashiers and other workers increasingly don't, which is weird. This in a region in Eastern Germany where I know some people who live there and keep me updated; I don't know about the rest of Germany. I think in Western Germany and Bavaria etc they are being stricter. But in general, the truth is, people are sick to death of this corona stuff, and expect more protests like the one in Ireland (of course, maybe also the restlessness and the protests may have been planned too - the "Great Reset" and all that.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Also, while customers wear masks, cashiers and other workers increasingly don’t, which is weird.

    Most of the cashiers are either behing plexiglass or wearing face shields, because it is asking a lot to ask someone to wear a mask for several hours of shiftwork. I think some public policy types in the relatively saner parts of Europe realise there is little upside to pissing off the public with things that clearly aren’t based on science.

    What’s truly amazing is how the governments of the Anglo-American world are getting away with going full-China … when did you all become such pu**ies?

  95. @Anonymous
    @Gregory


    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.
     
    That’s what I thought initially. But the virus plandemic has morphed from Coupvid-11/3 into Covid-1984. Governments have seen what an amazing tool this is to control the population and will not let it go anytime soon.

    A big culprit in fomenting this inanity, with its lockdowns and masks, has been an Arab money shifter with zero background in the biological or life sciences. Or any real science (his Ph.D. is in management science and holds and MBA).

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1297686417666187264?s=20

    Meanwhile, a CEO of a Cambridge biotech company, Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, a guy with 4 MIT degrees, including a Ph.D. in biological engineering, says, “the coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest frauds to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push mandated medicine!”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/mit-biologist-and-inventer-of-email-dr-shiva-ayyadurai-says-deep-state-fear-mongering-on-coronavirus-will-go-down-as-biggest-fraud-to-manipulate-economies/

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon7

    That’s what I thought initially. But the virus plandemic has morphed from Coupvid-11/3 into Covid-1984. Governments have seen what an amazing tool this is to control the population and will not let it go anytime soon.

    I’ve arrived at the same conclusion.

    Governments are going to play the, “Simon Says,” lockdown game in perpetuity.

  96. @YetAnotherAnon
    This CV19 story confirms the stereotype that what used to be called a "nudist colony" is actually more like a swingers resort.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/24/french-naturist-camp-hit-by-very-worrying-covid-outbreak

    French regional health authorities on Sunday said there had been a “very worrying” outbreak of coronavirus at a naturist holiday resort on France’s Mediterranean coast, with some 100 holidaymakers so far testing positive.

    The Cap d’Agde resort in the Herault region, hugely popular among naturists, saw 38 positive tests on Monday and another 57 on Wednesday, the regional health authority said.

    The rate of infection was four times higher among naturists in the resort than in the village itself, it added. Another 50 holidaymakers had also tested positive after returning home and results of more tests were expected next week.
     

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @prosa123

    So what? How many died or were hospitalised?

    The swing to counting cases versus evaluating outcomes is the real hoax here.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @The Alarmist

    "So what?"


    I was making a point about naturists rather than about Covid, in that there seems to have been rather close contact between holidaymakers.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  97. @Anonymous
    The entire affair is such an obvious hoax. It started from the very beginning.

    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china. The chicom regime is scum and they played us like a fiddle for the crucial early months.

    Now they're having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? "Sure why not, roundeye."

    This giant psy-op worked perfectly for Xi. Solved his enormous Hong Kong dilemma and dropped the entire western world economically to its knees.

    Some much corruption at the WHO FDA NIH CDC has been revealed. So much FAKE NEWS.

    It's a nursing home disease that bounces right off healthy people. The threat to general public is wildly exaggerated. The mask is slave training.

    REJECT THE CONDITIONING

    WALK PROUD WITHOUT A FACE DIAPER

    Get a grip and live life normally.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @peterike, @Kaz, @HA

    Now they’re having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? “Sure why not, roundeye.”

    Why not?

    Surely the good people of Wuhan deserve a little downtime for their key role in the CCP’s successful gaslighting of the entire Western world.

  98. @Anonymous
    The entire affair is such an obvious hoax. It started from the very beginning.

    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china. The chicom regime is scum and they played us like a fiddle for the crucial early months.

    Now they're having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? "Sure why not, roundeye."

    This giant psy-op worked perfectly for Xi. Solved his enormous Hong Kong dilemma and dropped the entire western world economically to its knees.

    Some much corruption at the WHO FDA NIH CDC has been revealed. So much FAKE NEWS.

    It's a nursing home disease that bounces right off healthy people. The threat to general public is wildly exaggerated. The mask is slave training.

    REJECT THE CONDITIONING

    WALK PROUD WITHOUT A FACE DIAPER

    Get a grip and live life normally.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @peterike, @Kaz, @HA

    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china.

    Indeed. My favorite was the gang of dudes in hazmat suits walking down the street spraying bleach or something like that. Total psy-op!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @peterike


    Indeed. My favorite was the gang of dudes in hazmat suits walking down the street spraying bleach or something like that. Total psy-op!
     
    In one town in Spain, they hosed down the beach with bleach.
  99. @Travis
    @Gregory

    I agree, Coronavirus will vanish quickly if Biden wins. They will also announce many effective treatments like hydroxychloroquine and other treatments. The Democratic governors will end their bans on HCQ by December. HCQ and other prophylactics will become more available to those who want to reduce their risk of getting COVID-19

    If Trump wins the democrats will continue to push the panic and try to keep the economy from recovering as they continue their war against America in an effort to weaken the political power of Trump and his supporters.

    So the upside of a Biden win will be the end of wearing masks and the re-opening of the economy , schools, churches etc...

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Why would you think that? Biden already said he wants a national lockdown forever.

    This will never end. It destroys small business and boost Amazon. It hurts White people and helps blacks who if working do so for government of mega Corp .

    It allows can governor to be on TV every day.

    This will never ever end. Not ever. It will just get worse under Biden.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Whiskey

    "This will never ever end. Not ever. It will just get worse under Biden."

    It ends when men, en masse, discover their brains and their balls and say no to lockdowns and facediapers.

    , @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey

    It's pathetic how unpaid political slaves such as yourself are devoted to the constant denial of objective reality.

    The coronavirus lockdown has helped white men, and hurt women and minorities.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-unemployment-layoffs-blacks-latinos/2900371001/


    Coronavirus layoffs disproportionately hurt black and Latino workers: 'It’s almost like doomsday is coming'


     

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/09/hispanic-women-immigrants-young-adults-those-with-less-education-hit-hardest-by-covid-19-job-losses/

    Among men, Asian (-17%), Hispanic (-15%) and black (-13%) workers have experienced a greater loss than white (-9%) workers in the COVID-19 recession. The pattern among men also contrasts with the Great Recession, when the rate of job loss among white and black workers was steeper than among Asian and Hispanic workers.

     


    Employment among immigrant workers has decreased more sharply than among U.S.-born workers in the COVID-19 recession, a 19% drop compared with 12%. In the Great Recession, immigrants lost jobs at a slightly slower pace than U.S.-born workers.

    Among the U.S. born, Hispanic workers were more likely than non-Hispanic workers to have lost jobs from February to May. Among the foreign born, employment losses have been equally sharp for Hispanic and non-Hispanic workers, -19% for each group. Hispanics overall are relatively young and less likely to have graduated from college, two factors that put them at a higher risk of unemployment in economic downturns. Also, 44% of Hispanic immigrants in the workforce are estimated to have been unauthorized in 2016, which also likely made them more vulnerable to job cuts. The trends in employment among Hispanic workers are echoed in a Pew Research Center survey conducted April 29-May 5 in which Hispanic adults were more likely than American adults overall to say they have taken a pay cut or lost their job because of the coronavirus outbreak.
     


    More women than men lost their jobs from February to May, 11.5 million vs. 9.0 million. In sharp contrast, men lost more than twice as many jobs as women in the Great Recession from 2007 to 2009, 5.5 million vs. 2.5 million. Indeed, the COVID-19 downturn is the first of eight downturns in the past five decades in which women have lost more jobs than men


    Rooted in the coronavirus outbreak, job losses in the latest recession have been concentrated in sectors in which social distancing of workers is difficult or the option to telework is lacking. Just three sectors – leisure and hospitality, education and health services, and retail trade – accounted for 59% of the total loss in nonfarm jobs from February to May. These sectors also accounted for 47% of jobs held by women in February, compared with 28% for men, exposing women to a higher risk of unemployment in recent months. Historically, job losses in recessions, including the Great Recession, have centered around goods-producing sectors, such as manufacturing and construction, in which men have a greater presence.
     

    White men are winning under coronavirus and the associated collapse of the "women and minorities" economy (food, alcohol, "services", etc). It's immigrants, nonwhites and women getting screwed.


    Vote Biden 2020 if you care about white people. Vote Trump if you want the party of jobs for illegals and snotty suburban females who didn't have kids.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  100. Anonymous[758] • Disclaimer says:

    “Early in life I noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper.”

    – George Orwell

    Tony Heller runs a great twitter feed. He brings the hard data that opposition just ignores because it can’t be refuted.

    I like Scott Adams but he is a liberal and as such he refuses to debate Tony Heller on climate change or covid.

    Heller also sprinkles in timeless quotes from great MEN of the past. Not just THE past but OUR past as westerners seeking the truth.

    I emphasize MEN because the nature of women is different from men. We are living in a matriarchy and the result is a succession of moral panics. Moral panics are mostly female panics.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @ThurstonBT
    @Anonymous

    Your Orwell quote is akin to the phenomena of Gell-Mann amnesia:

    “𝘉𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘧𝘭𝘺 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘦𝘭𝘭-𝘔𝘢𝘯𝘯 𝘈𝘮𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘢 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘰𝘸𝘴." Nb. physics Nobelist Murray Gell-Mann[2]. "𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘸𝘴𝘱𝘢𝘱𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘯 𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘭𝘦 𝘰𝘯 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘣𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭. 𝘐𝘯 𝘔𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘢𝘺'𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦, 𝘱𝘩𝘺𝘴𝘪𝘤𝘴. 𝘐𝘯 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘦, 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘣𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘫𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘴𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦𝘴. 𝘖𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘯, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘭𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘰 𝘸𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘥—𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵. 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 "𝘸𝘦𝘵 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯" 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴. 𝘗𝘢𝘱𝘦𝘳'𝘴 𝘧𝘶𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮.
    𝘐𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘢𝘮𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘶𝘭𝘵𝘪𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘨𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘰𝘳 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘧𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘳𝘴, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘢𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘸𝘴𝘱𝘢𝘱𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘗𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘢𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘺 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘨𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘦𝘵 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸.”
    - Michael Crichton [1]

    Ref.
    [1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-gell-mann-amnesia-effect-is-as-follows-you
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Gell-Mann

  101. @Clyde
    @Jim Christian


    Teachers being over-paid layabouts long before coronavirus are demanding schools stay closed in Boston through New Years’. They’re loving sitting home on their ever-fattening asses at full pay and bennies.
     
    Talk about yer useless eaters! No in classroom teaching, then you don't get paid. Do this and you will see these so called edumacators hustling back to the classrooms.

    Zoom teaching is a lie. BTW I hear there is a laptop shortage, due to remote learning and that ChiCom production got bogged down due to Covid-19. I have 2 I must unload ASAP on ebay or perhaps Craig's. Both have NVME "hard" drives so boot up fast.

    I have a relative who has a high position in a NE state government. He is loving his new 20 hour work week. "Working" remotely and getting into the office twice a week for a headcount/proof of life.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Clyde, the good news is that people are getting fed up with teachers and the politicans who kiss their asses.

  102. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Dan

    Hey doctor Dan, I blocked you earlier so I don't have to read your humidifier bull crap, so stop name shifting.

    Replies: @Dan

    JSOM — MD is my state, genius. You haven’t made any argument. I comment here hoping for people not so far beneath my level. It is hit and miss. In any case, the seasonality will come back around soon enough.

  103. @El Dato

    Women are a reliable indicator of what men have power. Hint it’s not White men.

    Black men rule the West. Have since the early 1960s

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Whiskey


    Women are a reliable indicator of what men have power. Hint it’s not White men.
    Black men rule the West. Have since the early 1960s
     
    You are referring to H Rap Brown, Urkel and Jimmie Walker "Dy-no-mite!"
    , @Corvinus
    @Whiskey

    YOU in your own life as a white man likely lacks power, so you project your own insecurities onto us.

  104. CV is the world’s first pandemic that requires non-stop hysterical “reminders” from the media and government that it’s a pandemic.

  105. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    Thoughts, I suffer from acid reflux. There are bacteria in your digestive system that exist well there. Bring them up into your throat or esophagus and you can have serious symptoms. Bring them up into your lungs, like I did News Year’s Eve three years ago, and you can get, as I did, bacterial pneumonia.Fever is common with bacterial infections. And, when you are sick, stay the fuck home. Were you afraid you would look out of shape in your coffin?

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Buffalo Joe

    “ I suffer from acid reflux.“

    Try cutting wheat out of your diet. I mean every single bit of it. For about three or four weeks. See how you do. It worked for me, and I can eat wheat again. Though if I over indulge I pay the price. And god how I love good bread.

    Also acid reflux comes from a LACK of acid in your stomach. Mix some lemon in with water and drink it when it’s bothering you.

    And if you’re taking Prilosec throw it all out the window.

  106. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Gregory

    Gregory said: "My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd."

    You're on the right track. But not until the "vaccine" (and the enormous profits from it) have been realized first. Early in 2021, I bet.

    This virus has a huge political dimension to it. A Democratic Congress, White House and most state governors will give the globalists what they want: megamoney for the vaccine and, even more importantly, the chance to abrogate basic natural rights and liberties in the name of "fighting a pandemic."
    The U.S. Constitution will be gutted even further.

    A total surveillance state, complete with expensive "robocops" from military intelligence tech companies (that's the real Deep State reason for "Defund the Police", although the useful idiots with the bullhorns at the "protests" are clueless), is to be imposed everywhere soon.

    Whiskey's prediction that we will all be in the "camps" may not be far away.

    https://cdn.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/li-zhensheng.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This virus has a huge political dimension to it. A Democratic Congress, White House and most state governors will give the globalists what they want: megamoney for the vaccine…

    They already got the megamoney for their tech-titan allies, who made out like bandits during the lockdown, as mom-and-pop brick-and-mortars went down for the count.

    I don’t suppose the GOP is smart enough to make the argument that the lockdown devastated real Americans and enriched the techies.

    Oh, and gave them even more political power, i.e., deplatforming with impunity.

  107. @Clyde
    Here is what is most important:

    Daily Covid deaths is the most important number
    Then daily new hospitalizations numbers
    Daily new case numbers are least useful. We know the more testing, the more infections, be they trivial or serious.

    Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.
    Even without deploying the hydroxy combo, the Docs have learned a lot in the last 6 months on how to rescue and cure those who get serious Covid infections. Diabetes and obesity are linked and are the worst underlying co-factor to have if you come down with covid. Some are born with weak immune systems or have acquired such conditions. This is a very bad co-factor to have.

    Many Americans have diabetes, pre-diabetes, undiagnosed diabetes. You can be skinny or normal weight to have one of these. Get the more advanced diabetes test next time you get a checkup. Not the simple and common one they do in any check up.

    Look up quercetin - zinc combos as a preventive if you are worried. Very common at Amazon and elsewhere. Look up BHT as a common anti-viral for lipid coated viruses. BHT as a preventative.
    _____________________

    Combating COVID-19 with Zinc and Quercetin – Nutritional ...
    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/...
    Mar 21, 2020 · Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Steve Richter, @Anon, @prosa123, @DRA, @travis

    My personal favorite available metric is deaths as a percentage of resolved cases (recovered plus died). Second favorite is deaths per 1 million population. Both of the above can easily calculated from data available at:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    The metric I would like to see is what percentage of the population of the US, &/or specific state, has antibodies for Corvid-19. It seems that data could be estimated by random testing for antibodies, similar to the way pollsters sample voters to project elections.

    I understand that it would be much more expensive than simply calling randomly selected households, and as best as I can determine nobody has gone to the expense or time to track antibodies. But I do wonder how close to “herd immunity” we might be getting.

    I expect that when the election is over, whoever wins, we will find out that we are very close, or already there!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @DRA

    It would cost tens of millions of dollars to get a representative survey of how many people have been infected, so we can't afford that, all we can afford are trillion measures like lockdowns and bailouts.

    Replies: @anon, @Brás Cubas, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Clyde
    @DRA

    Excellent analysis but you also want a daily count on all you mention to see if Covid is dying down or spiking temporarily. I am in the dying down camp as far as three majors of daily deaths, daily new hospitalizations and even the very nebulous, manipulatable, daily new infections rate is receding. The 4 worst spiking states of 6 weeks ago-- Texas, Florida, California, Arizona---all conservative so got a liberal & media slamming-- have turned the tide

    Replies: @DRA

  108. @Buffalo Joe
    Covid-19 is the hammer, we are the nail. In California one school district send about 300 kids home during the day and said they had misread the covid numbers...from July. Berkeley opens swimming pools but not the locker rooms, so piss in the pool I guess. NYS is laying in PPE supplies to last for at least 90 days because, well because. My son just put my grandson in a private middle school because his district is providing just seven hours of online a week.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Berkeley opens swimming pools but not the locker rooms, so piss in the pool I guess.

    You mean that hasn’t always been the policy, Joe?

    – every kid under 6.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thats why I only swim in ools.

  109. @kaganovitch
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him.

    Dude, it's not the mask. It's the cape.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Excellent!

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Agree!

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KXSyKS0QaFU/VpxnUGLfL5I/AAAAAAAAGR0/Vkmo6y4DDlE/s1600/FullSizeRender%252827%2529.jpg

  110. Sounds like it’s time to add an earplug requirement, demonize doubters, and, as always, remind everyone that these are the critical two weeks. Once we make it through these two weeks we will know for sure whether or not the next two weeks will be the critical two weeks.

  111. @YetAnotherAnon
    This CV19 story confirms the stereotype that what used to be called a "nudist colony" is actually more like a swingers resort.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/24/french-naturist-camp-hit-by-very-worrying-covid-outbreak

    French regional health authorities on Sunday said there had been a “very worrying” outbreak of coronavirus at a naturist holiday resort on France’s Mediterranean coast, with some 100 holidaymakers so far testing positive.

    The Cap d’Agde resort in the Herault region, hugely popular among naturists, saw 38 positive tests on Monday and another 57 on Wednesday, the regional health authority said.

    The rate of infection was four times higher among naturists in the resort than in the village itself, it added. Another 50 holidaymakers had also tested positive after returning home and results of more tests were expected next week.
     

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @prosa123

    This CV19 story confirms the stereotype that what used to be called a “nudist colony” is actually more like a swingers resort.

    The Cardinal Rule of Public Nudity: those who do, shouldn’t.

  112. @Steve Richter
    @Clyde


    Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

     

    but if the human body wanted zinc to enter the cells wouldn't it produce its own ionophores to enable it to do so? Zinc is a good idea, in early stages off the disease, when the virus is replicating. But as a preventative, it sounds risky.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @travis, @NOTA

    There are many doctors using it as a prophylactic. It has risks but not alarming or unmanageable ones.

  113. @Steve Richter
    the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus. And over 30% for people hospitalized because of it. Pretty bad odds for something touted as nothing more than the flu.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Kratoklastes

    ‘… the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus.’

    In at least some countries, the question would be whether 2.5% of those infected with the Corona Virus die, or whether 2.5% of those who die happen to have had the Corona Virus.

    One would need to compare what percentage of those who die have the virus to what percentage of the general population have the Corona Virus. Else you could prove hang nails kill.

    • Replies: @Steve Richter
    @Colin Wright


    One would need to compare what percentage of those who die have the virus to what percentage of the general population have the Corona Virus. Else you could prove hang nails kill.
     
    good point. Or how many people died each month in 2019 compared to the number who died in 2020. If the virus is as harmful as is said, there should be more people dying because of blood clots and other harmful long term affects.
  114. @prosa123
    @Jim Christian

    Teachers say they're worried about returning to the schools. So, what about Walmart employees? I use them as an example because it's the largest private sector employer. They've been out working in the stores all along for much less pay. In addition, rather than being in controlled environments like schools, they're exposed to all sorts of random customers every day, including a fair percentage of People of Walmart with all their weird diseases and nonexistent personal hygiene.

    Replies: @jimbo, @Buffalo Joe

    prosa, Buffalo public school teachers rank at the top for the number of days out of the classroom, averaging 18 days missed. This is not holiday time off, but absenteeism. That is more than three weeks of class time missed. And this is before the C-19.

  115. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "My brother-in-law in Transylvania travels to Germany often. He says when he walks into a store in Germany wearing a mask people stare at him. They are not wearing masks."

    By way of contrast, I drove through Yellow Springs, Ohio, this last weekend. YS is home of Antioch College, a small town frozen permanently in the Age of Aquarius, 1967. It's populated by old Hippies and hard left college professors and young, purple-haired SJWs.

    There was a big sign down town. "Be kind, wear a mask." That sign was duplicated on lawns throughout the town. Everyone, I mean everyone was wearing a mask -- outside on a beautiful, sunny breezy day. It was like driving through a village of zombies.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2020/05/striking-through-mask.html

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon, @Anonymous

    The Right’s opposition to indoor masks is exactly as stupid as the Left’s opposition to hydroxychloroquine (and, since yesterday, to convalescent plasma).

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Anonymous


    The Right’s opposition to indoor masks is exactly as stupid as the Left’s opposition to hydroxychloroquine
     
    I would assert the two positions are not exactly stupid. According to the CDC,

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

    “There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

    “In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission.”

    “We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility…”

    Wearing a mask makes the wearers think they are “doing something.” Other than virtue signaling or deferring to local laws, rules, or regulations, wearing a mask has very little actual significance.

    Replies: @JMcG

  116. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jim Christian

    Jim, remember I said this, The fourth greatest lie "It's for the kids" And the fifth greatest lie "We don't get paid over the summer." Last week at our local Walgreens they had candy bars on the check out counter and they asked if you wanted to buy one to support local teachers. My wife, who is usually demure said, "Tell the teachers making over a $100k to give a couple thousand to the ones making $50K."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Abolish_public_education

    Exactly when schoolteachers receive their (collectively quite large) allotment of government spending (“pay”) is likely a matter of (union) negotiation.

    For example, teachers could receive their $100K in a lump-sum, spread out over 180 “work”days, monthly, or whatever.

    Of course schoolteachers, like anyone else, prefer to receive the largest possible amount of money, at the soonest possible time, for the least amount of work. But unlike others, they expect redistributed (tax) dollars, no matter how little the kids learn (low productivity), with the amount automatically increasing each year, with maximum job security (tenure).

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Abolish_public_education

    APE, the truth sometimes gets you a troll button , but you are right.

  117. @Anonymous
    @Gregory


    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.
     
    That’s what I thought initially. But the virus plandemic has morphed from Coupvid-11/3 into Covid-1984. Governments have seen what an amazing tool this is to control the population and will not let it go anytime soon.

    A big culprit in fomenting this inanity, with its lockdowns and masks, has been an Arab money shifter with zero background in the biological or life sciences. Or any real science (his Ph.D. is in management science and holds and MBA).

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1297686417666187264?s=20

    Meanwhile, a CEO of a Cambridge biotech company, Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, a guy with 4 MIT degrees, including a Ph.D. in biological engineering, says, “the coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest frauds to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push mandated medicine!”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/mit-biologist-and-inventer-of-email-dr-shiva-ayyadurai-says-deep-state-fear-mongering-on-coronavirus-will-go-down-as-biggest-fraud-to-manipulate-economies/

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon7

    Thank you, Covid-1984 it is.

    If the Dems win this fall, they’ll never give this up. No small businesses. Period. Free enterprise is over. The Dems will say to white people the same thing they said to black women – “You can’t depend on your man for a paycheck! Depend on your government check, honey!”

    If you’re not afraid of this scenario, you just don’t understand today’s Democrats.

    Donald Trump trumpeting our economic achievements up until February really scared Democrats. The fact that more and more blacks and hispanics were discovering that they could make more money (and feel better about themselves) by working in a dynamic economy was a death knell to their hopes for social control.

    With Covid-1984, the Dems have a chance.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Troll: Corvinus
  118. Sometime in the next few days, Brazil will pass the U.S. for having more deaths per million population. Of course, one of the few countries in the world with a president dumber than President Trump would be expected to not handle the Covid-19 response very well.

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
    @guest007

    I'm sure that if we had some other president our people would magically, even mysteriously alter their behavior so to spread the WuFlu less, or at least somehow die less from it.

    Also, it turns out it is possible to get reinfected, although the second infection might be asymptomatic even if the first was symptomatic. So this might not be a virus that benefits from antibody-dependent enhancement. God damn it, I was getting excited.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @guest007

    Lay off the Brazilians. They have a killer national anthem:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Yuu1FupJA

  119. @Mike Tre
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yet in my neck of the nape the mask wearing seems to have been normalized, and not wearing one gets you looks like you're not wearing any pants. We are really entering another era of puritanism or some other form of religious fanaticism. Instead of burkas, we have masks. Don't leave home without them or else.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    We are really entering another era of puritanism or some other form of religious fanaticism. Instead of burkas, we have masks.

    In LA, it’s definitely a tribal membership/virtue signal. Upper class whites jog and walk their dogs in masks and drive alone in their cars with masks on. The Guatemalan nannies and Mexican laborers on the other hand don’t need no stinkin’ masks.

    • Replies: @Kaz
    @Hypnotoad666

    And those Mexican laborers and poorly behaving blacks have by far the highest covid mortality..

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    That's interesting because the Mexican's here are pretty grande on wearing them.

  120. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    Perhaps consulting a psychiatrist would have been more helpful. Not being rude, just saying.. Are you hypochondriac? There, I said it!

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @BB753

    Question: Is there a method to determine if one is suffering from Covid-19 and not any of the other thousands of medical maladies including even Covid-(N, where N is NOT 19)?

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Thoughts
    @BB753

    Where did that come from?

    Humans think in 1's and 0's.

    1- Covid exists and we are all going to die!

    0- Covid doesn't exist and is made up by the government deep state


    It's very rare to run into humans who are able to hold 'The Middle Ground' in their brain

    The middle ground being that both sides are partially correct: Covid does exist and is a very bad flu with a higher-than-normal fatality rate. The deep-state saw this as an opportunity to further their plans, and control us 1984-style. Never let an opportunity go to waste.

    Replies: @BB753, @Hippopotamusdrome

  121. @Anonymous
    The entire affair is such an obvious hoax. It started from the very beginning.

    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china. The chicom regime is scum and they played us like a fiddle for the crucial early months.

    Now they're having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? "Sure why not, roundeye."

    This giant psy-op worked perfectly for Xi. Solved his enormous Hong Kong dilemma and dropped the entire western world economically to its knees.

    Some much corruption at the WHO FDA NIH CDC has been revealed. So much FAKE NEWS.

    It's a nursing home disease that bounces right off healthy people. The threat to general public is wildly exaggerated. The mask is slave training.

    REJECT THE CONDITIONING

    WALK PROUD WITHOUT A FACE DIAPER

    Get a grip and live life normally.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @peterike, @Kaz, @HA

    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china. The chicom regime is scum and they played us like a fiddle for the crucial early months.

    Why are you blaming China for believing random social media videos hyped up by morons?

  122. @Hypnotoad666
    @Mike Tre


    We are really entering another era of puritanism or some other form of religious fanaticism. Instead of burkas, we have masks.
     
    In LA, it's definitely a tribal membership/virtue signal. Upper class whites jog and walk their dogs in masks and drive alone in their cars with masks on. The Guatemalan nannies and Mexican laborers on the other hand don't need no stinkin' masks.

    Replies: @Kaz, @Mike Tre

    And those Mexican laborers and poorly behaving blacks have by far the highest covid mortality..

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Kaz

    Mexican mortality is not high. Mexicans are a bit younger than average, at least here in Washington state. Some have died, but the deaths here have been disproportionately white because white people are older. The two people I knew personally who died from the virus were older grocers. One Jewish and the other Filipino. Both died early on in the pandemic. Unfortunately, they were susceptible.

    Some people my age I know have lost grandparents here. I'm in my 40s, so do the math. It isn't as though children are dropping dead (thank God).

    I caught a version of SARS back in the late 90s, so I know this can be a nasty infection. The "shortness of breath" is real and quite frightening. But if we want to keep integrating with the Chinese these things are going to be a fact of life, and we can't just shut down our society each time the people who profit most from China's rape of our economy get scared. Let those who got rich off selling out our industry and real estate to China face this infection head on. They asked for it.

    Replies: @anon, @Buzz Mohawk

  123. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    Berkeley opens swimming pools but not the locker rooms, so piss in the pool I guess.

    You mean that hasn't always been the policy, Joe?

    - every kid under 6.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Thats why I only swim in ools.

    • LOL: Not Raul
  124. @DRA
    @Clyde

    My personal favorite available metric is deaths as a percentage of resolved cases (recovered plus died). Second favorite is deaths per 1 million population. Both of the above can easily calculated from data available at:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    The metric I would like to see is what percentage of the population of the US, &/or specific state, has antibodies for Corvid-19. It seems that data could be estimated by random testing for antibodies, similar to the way pollsters sample voters to project elections.

    I understand that it would be much more expensive than simply calling randomly selected households, and as best as I can determine nobody has gone to the expense or time to track antibodies. But I do wonder how close to "herd immunity" we might be getting.

    I expect that when the election is over, whoever wins, we will find out that we are very close, or already there!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Clyde

    It would cost tens of millions of dollars to get a representative survey of how many people have been infected, so we can’t afford that, all we can afford are trillion measures like lockdowns and bailouts.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Plus actual surveys of people who have been infected would be like studying the various cruise ships earlier in the year that were floating Petri dishes and we might find out something that doesn't fit a part of the Narrative and that would be bad because then people might have doubts about Our Government. Which would be doubleplusungood.

    Anyway. I see that a man in Hong Kong may be the first known round-trip ticket. Two different strains of the Coof. Like winning the lottery.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/first-confirmed-case-of-sars-cov-2-reinfection-reported-in-hong-kong/


    Researchers decoded the entire genetic sequences of the SARS-CoV-2 viruses isolated from the man in both infections and found that his two infections were caused by clearly different strains of the coronavirus. The first strain looked much like SARS-CoV-2 strains collected in April and March in the United States and England. The second was closely related to strains collected in England and Switzerland in July and August. Overall, there were 24 genetic differences between the two infecting viral strains, including significant differences in the code for the infamous spike protein.
     
    More to be learned from this guy's rare case.
    , @Brás Cubas
    @Steve Sailer

    That's more or less what Nobel Prize winner Paul Romer said months ago (I don't have a link in English, so I won't post any).

    It would be nice to determine if all we have been through this year has been a conspiracy or simply a conspiracy of dunces.

    Anyway, your post is good news. In Brazil cases and deaths are falling too, so I guess it's time to be optimistic.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Steve Sailer


    It would cost tens of millions of dollars to get a representative survey of how many people have been infected, so we can’t afford that, all we can afford are trillion measures like lockdowns and bailouts.
     
    But does it matter, and if the US is worse at counting than other countries, then why is this?

    For example,Bermuda (population 70,000 approx) puts out a report every day. Could not each population group of about 70,000 put out a similar report, so there would be about 5000 local reports which could be tabulated and merged in various ways to give a better overall picture by city, state, or county.

    Monday, August 24th, 2020
    COVID-19 Updates
    Between Sunday and today there were 1,493 test results received by the Ministry of Health, and one was positive for COVID-19. The latest positive case is classified as local transmission as the new positive was a known contact of a previously confirmed case.

    Bermuda has had 168 total confirmed positive cases. Their status is as follows:

    150 have recovered, and
    there are 9 active cases, who are
    all under active public health monitoring;
    none is hospitalized or in critical care, and
    the total deceased remains 9.
    The average age of all of our confirmed positive cases is 58 and the age range of all of our positive cases is from 18 to 101 years.

    The source of all local cases is as follows:

    61 are Imported
    86 are Local transmission, with known contact
    19 are Local transmission with an unknown contact, and
    2 are under investigation
    Bermuda’s country status is “Sporadic Cases”. The seven-day average of our real time reproduction number is less than 1.

    In light of recent cases, the Department of Health since last week has visited the sites where a positive case was known to have been. This included a number of restaurants, a gym, and a leisure boat. Staff visited for contact tracing purposes, to answer any questions or concerns from individuals working in those venues and to ensure that appropriate cleaning and health protocols were in place.

     

    This seems simple enough. Bermuda is just one country that I look at daily, but many countries publish similar daily reports.
  125. So, Mr. Sailer, why do YOU think that cases are falling? Why not provide some insight into the numbers?

    It could be this…

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/08/12/accuracy-of-us-coronavirus-data-thrown-into-question-as-decline-in-testing-skews-drop-in-new-cases.html

    • Replies: @anon
    @Corvinus

    Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it. If you have to wait 10 days, why bother. A positive test doesn't't mean you get out of the penalty box. Why? -- Because.

    Meanwhile, the reported death rate has been steady as you go, 1,000/day outf 50,000 positive for a reported case fatality rate of 2%. With a lag on the deaths of a couple of weeks.

    This statistic is highly biased with the denominator being way to low and the numerator too high.
    I'm sticking to my Bayesian estimate of 1/2 of 1% or .5%. For my prior, I'm using adjusted data from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship. That's what I started with and the additional data hasn't added much. With a CI of +/- .2%.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @John Johnson

  126. @guest007
    Sometime in the next few days, Brazil will pass the U.S. for having more deaths per million population. Of course, one of the few countries in the world with a president dumber than President Trump would be expected to not handle the Covid-19 response very well.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @Reg Cæsar

    I’m sure that if we had some other president our people would magically, even mysteriously alter their behavior so to spread the WuFlu less, or at least somehow die less from it.

    Also, it turns out it is possible to get reinfected, although the second infection might be asymptomatic even if the first was symptomatic. So this might not be a virus that benefits from antibody-dependent enhancement. God damn it, I was getting excited.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @gabriel alberton

    If the U.S. had done as well as Canada, there would be around 80k Americans dead. If the U.S. had done as well as there would be about 40k dead. If the U.S. had done as well as Japan, there would be about 6k dead Americans.

    Yes, the U.S. could have done better but when disaster response takes on a partisan/culture war aspect, it was doomed to failure in the U.S.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  127. By election day, the daily rate of new Wuhan Flu cases reported will be down to 15,000. Will that be sufficiently good news for the stupid idiot party to defeat the vindictive retard party?

  128. @guest007
    Sometime in the next few days, Brazil will pass the U.S. for having more deaths per million population. Of course, one of the few countries in the world with a president dumber than President Trump would be expected to not handle the Covid-19 response very well.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @Reg Cæsar

    Lay off the Brazilians. They have a killer national anthem:

  129. @Achmed E. Newman
    Nobody wants to hear about your lousy -37%, Steve ... at least those who have a lot invested in the continuation of Season 2 of this Kung Flu Panic-fest don't. That would include the whole of the Infotainment industry, who've had the time of their lives over the last 6 months with this, high government officials of all kind who've got to exercise those emergency powers any damn way they please ("Whaaa? Governor Whitner is closing the beaches on the lakes!? I'm closing the boat ramps AND beaches the beaches! It's good to be Governor!"), and "experts" far and wide with conflicting and ever-changing advice - got to keep up!

    This thing has gone too far, destroyed too many small businesses, put too many young people into hopeless and government dependency mode, and put too many people into a state of permanent hysteria, to back off on now. Nobody wants to hear that this was all for nothing.

    LOCK-DOWNED AMERICA STRONG!

    I've had 10 "Scenes from the Kung Flu Summer re-Panic" posts written already*, and really had other things to write about, but then had this Karen/Becky (not sure which one, but the one without the perky butt) running on a treadmill WITH a cloth mask telling me I needed to put on a mask while working out on an exercise bike 12 ft away! - So, Part 11.

    .


    I've about had it with this shit, and how about a quick apology, Steve, for going on and on about this for 2 solid months in the Spring? That did not help at all.


    * See Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, and Part 10.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @76239

    “I’ve about had it with this shit, and how about a quick apology, Steve, for going on and on about this for 2 solid months in the Spring? That did not help at all.”

    I am going to defend Sailer here. I don’t think there was anything wrong with his virus coverage and even if there had been nobody bats 1000.

    There seems to have been an increase lately in people who seem to feel entitled to tell Sailer what to blog about. Suggestions are fine, demands (especially rude abusive demands) not so much.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @James B. Shearer

    No, not an apology for blogging about what he wants to blog about. For 2 months, maybe more because I quit reading for a while, the posts made it seem like Mr. Sailer (along with Mr. Unz) were completely down with the narrative out of the Infotainment that COVID-19 was Black Plague 2.0. The normal skepticism of the press and government officials was just gone.

    He was quite wrong about this, and I was very glad to see the end of that type of coverage, which was prompted by the intermission with the whole black/Commie riot-fest. I've been wrong about plenty of stuff too, and I'll admit it.

    Of course. you could say that I didn't have to read any of it. So, maybe just an "I was wrong on this" is in order. Mr. Sailer's humerous quick comment on the millions for testing vs. trilliions (bucks that is) for LOCKDOWNS shows that he has come around on this.

    .

    BTW, this was neither rude nor abusive. The "shit" was not Mr. Sailer's writing - it was the entire face mask / panic business that is only getting worse now. Maybe you misunderstood that part.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @James B. Shearer, @AKAHorace

  130. anon[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @DRA

    It would cost tens of millions of dollars to get a representative survey of how many people have been infected, so we can't afford that, all we can afford are trillion measures like lockdowns and bailouts.

    Replies: @anon, @Brás Cubas, @Jonathan Mason

    Plus actual surveys of people who have been infected would be like studying the various cruise ships earlier in the year that were floating Petri dishes and we might find out something that doesn’t fit a part of the Narrative and that would be bad because then people might have doubts about Our Government. Which would be doubleplusungood.

    Anyway. I see that a man in Hong Kong may be the first known round-trip ticket. Two different strains of the Coof. Like winning the lottery.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/first-confirmed-case-of-sars-cov-2-reinfection-reported-in-hong-kong/

    Researchers decoded the entire genetic sequences of the SARS-CoV-2 viruses isolated from the man in both infections and found that his two infections were caused by clearly different strains of the coronavirus. The first strain looked much like SARS-CoV-2 strains collected in April and March in the United States and England. The second was closely related to strains collected in England and Switzerland in July and August. Overall, there were 24 genetic differences between the two infecting viral strains, including significant differences in the code for the infamous spike protein.

    More to be learned from this guy’s rare case.

  131. @Steve Sailer
    @DRA

    It would cost tens of millions of dollars to get a representative survey of how many people have been infected, so we can't afford that, all we can afford are trillion measures like lockdowns and bailouts.

    Replies: @anon, @Brás Cubas, @Jonathan Mason

    That’s more or less what Nobel Prize winner Paul Romer said months ago (I don’t have a link in English, so I won’t post any).

    It would be nice to determine if all we have been through this year has been a conspiracy or simply a conspiracy of dunces.

    Anyway, your post is good news. In Brazil cases and deaths are falling too, so I guess it’s time to be optimistic.

  132. @Abolish_public_education
    @Buffalo Joe

    Exactly when schoolteachers receive their (collectively quite large) allotment of government spending (“pay”) is likely a matter of (union) negotiation.

    For example, teachers could receive their $100K in a lump-sum, spread out over 180 “work”days, monthly, or whatever.

    Of course schoolteachers, like anyone else, prefer to receive the largest possible amount of money, at the soonest possible time, for the least amount of work. But unlike others, they expect redistributed (tax) dollars, no matter how little the kids learn (low productivity), with the amount automatically increasing each year, with maximum job security (tenure).

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    APE, the truth sometimes gets you a troll button , but you are right.

  133. @DRA
    @Clyde

    My personal favorite available metric is deaths as a percentage of resolved cases (recovered plus died). Second favorite is deaths per 1 million population. Both of the above can easily calculated from data available at:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    The metric I would like to see is what percentage of the population of the US, &/or specific state, has antibodies for Corvid-19. It seems that data could be estimated by random testing for antibodies, similar to the way pollsters sample voters to project elections.

    I understand that it would be much more expensive than simply calling randomly selected households, and as best as I can determine nobody has gone to the expense or time to track antibodies. But I do wonder how close to "herd immunity" we might be getting.

    I expect that when the election is over, whoever wins, we will find out that we are very close, or already there!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Clyde

    Excellent analysis but you also want a daily count on all you mention to see if Covid is dying down or spiking temporarily. I am in the dying down camp as far as three majors of daily deaths, daily new hospitalizations and even the very nebulous, manipulatable, daily new infections rate is receding. The 4 worst spiking states of 6 weeks ago– Texas, Florida, California, Arizona—all conservative so got a liberal & media slamming– have turned the tide

    • Replies: @DRA
    @Clyde

    Texas never did badly in deaths per million population!

  134. @Coemgen
    @theMann

    In the early stages of the pandemic, masks were a placebo. Maybe they reduce viral transmission. That's good enough for a placebo.

    Regarding the PTB, I think they know that after 30 years of global-warming hysteria, a pandemic with palpable evidence was a slam dunk for increasing control over the population.

    Regarding the pandemic, isn't it droll that:

    1. It started about the time the Democrats' impeachment started to fail.
    2. Pelosi delayed sending the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate around the same time that the pandemic was taking root in Wuhan. (Was she waiting for confirmation that the pandemic would spread?)
    3. The CIA apparently was unaware of the pandemic or, did not report it to the President and Congress. (What do we pay the CIA to do?)
    4. The "media" seamlessly switched from impeachment propaganda to pandemic propaganda.
    5. The Democrats are using the pandemic for political advantage over Trump.

    Aside: I was watching PBS over the weekend and for the first time I saw a program where the program's bait-and-switch had the pandemic as the "switch" instead of "global warming" or "Trump bad."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    1. It started about the time the Democrats’ impeachment started to fail.

    Did all the other countries that have suffered from the pandemic also have equivalent political trials?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Jonathan Mason


    Did all the other countries that have suffered from the pandemic also have equivalent political trials?
     
    Globalism doesn’t recognize borders. Trump is hated everywhere CNN, Google News, etc. are spewing their propaganda.

    One thing is certain, anyone without TDS will be able to see the pattern of coincidences.
    , @JMcG
    @Jonathan Mason

    Brexit, a coalition crisis in Ireland....
    You must admit, Trump is internationally despised. It makes me like him even more.

  135. @Steve Sailer
    @DRA

    It would cost tens of millions of dollars to get a representative survey of how many people have been infected, so we can't afford that, all we can afford are trillion measures like lockdowns and bailouts.

    Replies: @anon, @Brás Cubas, @Jonathan Mason

    It would cost tens of millions of dollars to get a representative survey of how many people have been infected, so we can’t afford that, all we can afford are trillion measures like lockdowns and bailouts.

    But does it matter, and if the US is worse at counting than other countries, then why is this?

    For example,Bermuda (population 70,000 approx) puts out a report every day. Could not each population group of about 70,000 put out a similar report, so there would be about 5000 local reports which could be tabulated and merged in various ways to give a better overall picture by city, state, or county.

    Monday, August 24th, 2020
    COVID-19 Updates
    Between Sunday and today there were 1,493 test results received by the Ministry of Health, and one was positive for COVID-19. The latest positive case is classified as local transmission as the new positive was a known contact of a previously confirmed case.

    Bermuda has had 168 total confirmed positive cases. Their status is as follows:

    150 have recovered, and
    there are 9 active cases, who are
    all under active public health monitoring;
    none is hospitalized or in critical care, and
    the total deceased remains 9.
    The average age of all of our confirmed positive cases is 58 and the age range of all of our positive cases is from 18 to 101 years.

    The source of all local cases is as follows:

    61 are Imported
    86 are Local transmission, with known contact
    19 are Local transmission with an unknown contact, and
    2 are under investigation
    Bermuda’s country status is “Sporadic Cases”. The seven-day average of our real time reproduction number is less than 1.

    In light of recent cases, the Department of Health since last week has visited the sites where a positive case was known to have been. This included a number of restaurants, a gym, and a leisure boat. Staff visited for contact tracing purposes, to answer any questions or concerns from individuals working in those venues and to ensure that appropriate cleaning and health protocols were in place.

    This seems simple enough. Bermuda is just one country that I look at daily, but many countries publish similar daily reports.

  136. @Hypnotoad666
    @Mike Tre


    We are really entering another era of puritanism or some other form of religious fanaticism. Instead of burkas, we have masks.
     
    In LA, it's definitely a tribal membership/virtue signal. Upper class whites jog and walk their dogs in masks and drive alone in their cars with masks on. The Guatemalan nannies and Mexican laborers on the other hand don't need no stinkin' masks.

    Replies: @Kaz, @Mike Tre

    That’s interesting because the Mexican’s here are pretty grande on wearing them.

  137. @James B. Shearer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "I’ve about had it with this shit, and how about a quick apology, Steve, for going on and on about this for 2 solid months in the Spring? That did not help at all."

    I am going to defend Sailer here. I don't think there was anything wrong with his virus coverage and even if there had been nobody bats 1000.

    There seems to have been an increase lately in people who seem to feel entitled to tell Sailer what to blog about. Suggestions are fine, demands (especially rude abusive demands) not so much.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    No, not an apology for blogging about what he wants to blog about. For 2 months, maybe more because I quit reading for a while, the posts made it seem like Mr. Sailer (along with Mr. Unz) were completely down with the narrative out of the Infotainment that COVID-19 was Black Plague 2.0. The normal skepticism of the press and government officials was just gone.

    He was quite wrong about this, and I was very glad to see the end of that type of coverage, which was prompted by the intermission with the whole black/Commie riot-fest. I’ve been wrong about plenty of stuff too, and I’ll admit it.

    Of course. you could say that I didn’t have to read any of it. So, maybe just an “I was wrong on this” is in order. Mr. Sailer’s humerous quick comment on the millions for testing vs. trilliions (bucks that is) for LOCKDOWNS shows that he has come around on this.

    .

    BTW, this was neither rude nor abusive. The “shit” was not Mr. Sailer’s writing – it was the entire face mask / panic business that is only getting worse now. Maybe you misunderstood that part.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    On the contrary, I am afraid Sailer's comment means he is all in for testing to determine the exact proportions of the infected, which means he still hasn't gotten over the "what is the real rate" fetish that so many fell prey to early on. Is it the same as the flu or X percent or tenths or hundreds of a percent higher? Who cares! It was obvious a long time ago that this is not killing off people like MERS did and that the cure is largely worse than the disease. Ergo, change strategy, back to life, and quit with the "we need testing/vaccine/data/ventilators/whatever before normalization" line.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "BTW, this was neither rude nor abusive. The “shit” was not Mr. Sailer’s writing – it was the entire face mask / panic business that is only getting worse now. Maybe you misunderstood that part."

    I was a little unclear. The rude and abusive was about some of the other comments (by other people) I have seen trying to tell Sailer what to do.

    , @AKAHorace
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sailer was one of the first to say that worrying about outdoor activities like beach parties was a waste of time. He was also one of the first to realize that mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown. I think that his take was pretty good compared to those who first ignored and then panicked about COVID.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kratoklastes

  138. @Jonathan Mason
    @Coemgen


    1. It started about the time the Democrats’ impeachment started to fail.

     

    Did all the other countries that have suffered from the pandemic also have equivalent political trials?

    Replies: @Coemgen, @JMcG

    Did all the other countries that have suffered from the pandemic also have equivalent political trials?

    Globalism doesn’t recognize borders. Trump is hated everywhere CNN, Google News, etc. are spewing their propaganda.

    One thing is certain, anyone without TDS will be able to see the pattern of coincidences.

  139. @Whiskey
    @Travis

    Why would you think that? Biden already said he wants a national lockdown forever.

    This will never end. It destroys small business and boost Amazon. It hurts White people and helps blacks who if working do so for government of mega Corp .

    It allows can governor to be on TV every day.

    This will never ever end. Not ever. It will just get worse under Biden.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @JohnPlywood

    “This will never ever end. Not ever. It will just get worse under Biden.”

    It ends when men, en masse, discover their brains and their balls and say no to lockdowns and facediapers.

  140. @Jonathan Mason
    @Coemgen


    1. It started about the time the Democrats’ impeachment started to fail.

     

    Did all the other countries that have suffered from the pandemic also have equivalent political trials?

    Replies: @Coemgen, @JMcG

    Brexit, a coalition crisis in Ireland….
    You must admit, Trump is internationally despised. It makes me like him even more.

    • Agree: Coemgen
  141. People say masks are not good, but in combination with social distancing, handwashing, temperature taking, lab testing, and quarantining they are probably of some value, if only because they act as a reminder to be alert at all times and cover your mouth when coughing.

    I agree that they are a damned nuisance to wear, and they often make my glasses steam up.

    It was brought to my attention just a few weeks ago that there are two very adjacent prisons in Florida, only 300-400 yards apart, where one prison had a terrible outbreak with over 1000 inmates testing positive, and the other did not have one single case. Not one case.

    So clearly the disease is not just wafting through the air like a miasma, and there must be ways of cutting the virus off from a supply of fresh lungs to infect, if only we could figure it out!

    “The rain it raineth on the just
    And also on the unjust fella;
    But chiefly on the just, because
    The unjust hath the just’s umbrella.”

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Jonathan Mason

    Of course masks work. These bozos just don't like wearing them, and what they don't like is just the end all and be all of everything. If they don't like it, throw it out, baby, bathwater and all.

    , @Brás Cubas
    @Jonathan Mason


    People say masks are not good
     
    Well, I have pretty hard evidence that they do little to prevent contagion, but scientists believe (and I tend to agree) that, by filtering somehow the air that one breathes, they contribute to lower the viral load of infections, which in turn contributes to make the disease milder.

    I agree that they are a damned nuisance to wear, and they often make my glasses steam up.
     
    Try washing the lenses with neutral detergent, and then cleaning them with soft paper tissue *without* rinsing them first.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  142. @Buffalo Joe
    @Thoughts

    Thoughts, I suffer from acid reflux. There are bacteria in your digestive system that exist well there. Bring them up into your throat or esophagus and you can have serious symptoms. Bring them up into your lungs, like I did News Year's Eve three years ago, and you can get, as I did, bacterial pneumonia.Fever is common with bacterial infections. And, when you are sick, stay the fuck home. Were you afraid you would look out of shape in your coffin?

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ I suffer from acid reflux.“

    Try cutting wheat out of your diet. I mean every single bit of it. For about three or four weeks. See how you do. It worked for me, and I can eat wheat again. Though if I over indulge I pay the price. And god how I love good bread.

    Also acid reflux comes from a LACK of acid in your stomach. Mix some lemon in with water and drink it when it’s bothering you.

    And if you’re taking Prilosec throw it all out the window.

  143. @Bill P
    Doesn't seem to matter to the teachers -- they won't budge over here.

    It's kind of weird how children have been targeted with the most punitive measures. No school, playgrounds cordoned off with police tape, toddlers forced to comply with burdensome rules they can't possibly understand...

    The developmental implications are going to be severe, especially for the kids the democrats claim to care about. How much will the black illiteracy rate rise among the current black crop of elementary school students because of this? How many immigrant children will never gain native proficiency in English? If the teachers get their way, the kids will miss up to a year of school at a critical time.

    Language acquisition tails off at the age of twelve. That gives them 54-63 months of school to acquire a skill that has more influence on their later success than any other. If they miss only six of those months, that's 10% of the total.

    Will that have future implications? You bet it will! Yet, somehow, this is considered trivial compared to the menace of coronavirus. So, let it be known that we are willing to sacrifice the futures of millions of children in order to save, what, a thousand people who have already lived full lives and maybe a couple dozen unlucky healthy people. And that's probably an overestimate given that there's no solid evidence that keeping kids out of school makes any difference in the long run anyway.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @but an humble craftsman, @Mr. Anon

    No school as a punishment for a child?

    Surely you jest.

  144. @Colin Wright
    @Steve Richter

    '... the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus.'

    In at least some countries, the question would be whether 2.5% of those infected with the Corona Virus die, or whether 2.5% of those who die happen to have had the Corona Virus.

    One would need to compare what percentage of those who die have the virus to what percentage of the general population have the Corona Virus. Else you could prove hang nails kill.

    Replies: @Steve Richter

    One would need to compare what percentage of those who die have the virus to what percentage of the general population have the Corona Virus. Else you could prove hang nails kill.

    good point. Or how many people died each month in 2019 compared to the number who died in 2020. If the virus is as harmful as is said, there should be more people dying because of blood clots and other harmful long term affects.

  145. @Anonymous
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    The Right's opposition to indoor masks is exactly as stupid as the Left's opposition to hydroxychloroquine (and, since yesterday, to convalescent plasma).

    Replies: @FPD72

    The Right’s opposition to indoor masks is exactly as stupid as the Left’s opposition to hydroxychloroquine

    I would assert the two positions are not exactly stupid. According to the CDC,

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

    “There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

    “In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission.”

    “We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility…”

    Wearing a mask makes the wearers think they are “doing something.” Other than virtue signaling or deferring to local laws, rules, or regulations, wearing a mask has very little actual significance.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @FPD72

    I have to wear a mask when I get my hair cut lately. The mask is full of cut hair particles when my barber finishes. They don’t do a damn thing.

  146. @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    Biden is on the record calling for a national mask mandate. If Biden wins we will have Covid-1984 forever and it will be the perfect pretext for the Democrats to do whatever the hell they want.

    In other words, you are wrong and catastrophically so.

    • Replies: @Orchestal_Xandros
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Perhaps 10 weeks ago I was still pretty firm in the belief that the virus simply came from China, a known cesspool for viruses. The added 3 months and increasingly overt power grabs by elites all but confirms to me this was just part of the plan. I have no doubt anymore that this time next year, New York and California will still have immense restrictions.

  147. @Achmed E. Newman
    @James B. Shearer

    No, not an apology for blogging about what he wants to blog about. For 2 months, maybe more because I quit reading for a while, the posts made it seem like Mr. Sailer (along with Mr. Unz) were completely down with the narrative out of the Infotainment that COVID-19 was Black Plague 2.0. The normal skepticism of the press and government officials was just gone.

    He was quite wrong about this, and I was very glad to see the end of that type of coverage, which was prompted by the intermission with the whole black/Commie riot-fest. I've been wrong about plenty of stuff too, and I'll admit it.

    Of course. you could say that I didn't have to read any of it. So, maybe just an "I was wrong on this" is in order. Mr. Sailer's humerous quick comment on the millions for testing vs. trilliions (bucks that is) for LOCKDOWNS shows that he has come around on this.

    .

    BTW, this was neither rude nor abusive. The "shit" was not Mr. Sailer's writing - it was the entire face mask / panic business that is only getting worse now. Maybe you misunderstood that part.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @James B. Shearer, @AKAHorace

    On the contrary, I am afraid Sailer’s comment means he is all in for testing to determine the exact proportions of the infected, which means he still hasn’t gotten over the “what is the real rate” fetish that so many fell prey to early on. Is it the same as the flu or X percent or tenths or hundreds of a percent higher? Who cares! It was obvious a long time ago that this is not killing off people like MERS did and that the cure is largely worse than the disease. Ergo, change strategy, back to life, and quit with the “we need testing/vaccine/data/ventilators/whatever before normalization” line.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Chrisnonymous

    "Who cares!" I understand your point, Chris. However, a few million bucks (maybe more than that), to do what, if nothing else, is decent scientific work on the spread of viruses beats the hell out of the Trillions, as Steve noted wryly, that has and is being lost via LOCKDOWNS of the economy. I could have told him that in March, not to mention telling people that the effect on Totalitarianism is much more important than even Trillions of $.

    Because people who really look at the death numbers, all death numbers, after the fact will see that this thing has been overblown to hell, "What is the real rate?" should be a question that scientists in the field should still want to know. Whatever, it's only an important question to eventually debunk the panickers.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  148. @Thoughts
    @obwandiyag

    Well I agree with the Bozos.

    I get the flu 2-4 times a year. This is just one version of what I already experience every few months.

    This is worse for two reasons...the Stomach complaint and the fact that for 24 hours I got bombarded with EVERY symptom.

    But in 2005 I had a flu that went on FOR DAYS...though somewhat milder...and at the end my skin had a green tint to it.

    And then I got H1N1 which lasted for 3 solid days before the sore throat left.

    The sore throat was 30 hours exactly with this latest Covid possibility.

    So it is a vicious little bug, but I've had several that compete.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    So you’re a chump then. My apologies. I thought you were for real.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @obwandiyag

    I'm worse than a chump.

    I even hate face diapers (exception on public transport/planes where there are elderly)

  149. @Achmed E. Newman
    @James B. Shearer

    No, not an apology for blogging about what he wants to blog about. For 2 months, maybe more because I quit reading for a while, the posts made it seem like Mr. Sailer (along with Mr. Unz) were completely down with the narrative out of the Infotainment that COVID-19 was Black Plague 2.0. The normal skepticism of the press and government officials was just gone.

    He was quite wrong about this, and I was very glad to see the end of that type of coverage, which was prompted by the intermission with the whole black/Commie riot-fest. I've been wrong about plenty of stuff too, and I'll admit it.

    Of course. you could say that I didn't have to read any of it. So, maybe just an "I was wrong on this" is in order. Mr. Sailer's humerous quick comment on the millions for testing vs. trilliions (bucks that is) for LOCKDOWNS shows that he has come around on this.

    .

    BTW, this was neither rude nor abusive. The "shit" was not Mr. Sailer's writing - it was the entire face mask / panic business that is only getting worse now. Maybe you misunderstood that part.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @James B. Shearer, @AKAHorace

    “BTW, this was neither rude nor abusive. The “shit” was not Mr. Sailer’s writing – it was the entire face mask / panic business that is only getting worse now. Maybe you misunderstood that part.”

    I was a little unclear. The rude and abusive was about some of the other comments (by other people) I have seen trying to tell Sailer what to do.

  150. Looks as though the Left has decided that the 19th Amendment was a bad idea…

    100 Years Later, the Racist Legacy and Violence of the 19th Amendment Persist

    August 26 will mark the 100th anniversary of the 19th Amendment, which extended the right to vote to white women. Donald Trump celebrated the occasion last week by posthumously pardoning Susan B. Anthony in a move that might have stunned feminists who don’t know the murky, white supremacist history behind exclusionary, white-led suffrage movements. But no one should have been surprised—there is significant overlap in Trump and Anthony’s political goals, specifically where advancing white supremacy is concerned.

    https://www.themarysue.com/racist-legacy-19th-amendment/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    and became leaders in community anti-bussing efforts...
     
    Those harridan prudes just hated public displays of affection.
  151. @Sparkon

    Corona Cases Down 37% Since Over Last 30 Days
     
    On another matter, I thought Unz Review forbade multiple handles, Mr. Humidity.

    Replies: @Dan

    You are charming, trying to get polite commenters banned.

    No sock puppetry, no name change, just shortened full name for privacy. I notice you aren’t using a real name at all.

  152. Absolute proof masks work very very well. By scientific experiment, not theorizing and generalizing and guessing.

    • Thanks: utu
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @obwandiyag

    Um, can the Madison po-po get a warrant to find out if this dude and three of his friends have Hawaiian shirts in their closets?

    , @MB
    @obwandiyag

    First spray of the paint can at 8' saturates the inside of the mask with paint.
    From there on out nothing is getting through.
    But whatever.

    But if you are wearing a mask (and vaccinated), you are golden.
    So why the worries about those who don't?
    Hmmm.

    Maybe the masks (and vaccines) aren't what they are cracked up to be.
    Imagine that, little grasshopper.
    It's not hard to do.

    Regardless, there is a place and a time for all things.
    Healthcare workers, the elderly, the immune compromised etc., but the rest of us need to build herd immunity.
    Then nobody has to wear a mask.

  153. @FPD72
    @Anonymous


    The Right’s opposition to indoor masks is exactly as stupid as the Left’s opposition to hydroxychloroquine
     
    I would assert the two positions are not exactly stupid. According to the CDC,

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

    “There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

    “In this review, we did not find evidence to support a protective effect of personal protective measures or environmental measures in reducing influenza transmission.”

    “We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility…”

    Wearing a mask makes the wearers think they are “doing something.” Other than virtue signaling or deferring to local laws, rules, or regulations, wearing a mask has very little actual significance.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I have to wear a mask when I get my hair cut lately. The mask is full of cut hair particles when my barber finishes. They don’t do a damn thing.

  154. @Jonathan Mason
    People say masks are not good, but in combination with social distancing, handwashing, temperature taking, lab testing, and quarantining they are probably of some value, if only because they act as a reminder to be alert at all times and cover your mouth when coughing.

    I agree that they are a damned nuisance to wear, and they often make my glasses steam up.

    It was brought to my attention just a few weeks ago that there are two very adjacent prisons in Florida, only 300-400 yards apart, where one prison had a terrible outbreak with over 1000 inmates testing positive, and the other did not have one single case. Not one case.

    So clearly the disease is not just wafting through the air like a miasma, and there must be ways of cutting the virus off from a supply of fresh lungs to infect, if only we could figure it out!

    “The rain it raineth on the just
    And also on the unjust fella;
    But chiefly on the just, because
    The unjust hath the just’s umbrella.”

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Brás Cubas

    Of course masks work. These bozos just don’t like wearing them, and what they don’t like is just the end all and be all of everything. If they don’t like it, throw it out, baby, bathwater and all.

  155. @Xens
    What a dumb graph to base any descision-making off of. Looking at that graph, where would you expect peak deaths to be? Peak hospitalizations?

    It's even worse on a state by state level. By steadily expanding test coverage, people have worked themselves up into a lather about a disease that was 2-3x a flu at peak mortality, and has now run its course over most of the planet.

    Simple suggestion: To calm fears, every state needs to switch to color-coded "Corona risk chart" similar to the homeland security terrorism risk chart implemented after 9/11 for the same reason, (except we could actually go green on this one because viruses don't have the intelligence to wait for our guard to be dropped before attacking). Risk level should be based on 1) excess hospitalizations, 2) excess mortality, 3) randomized, controlled (!!), population testing.

    Most states would be green right now, with a couple slightly elevated to whatever level 2 is.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @LondonBob

    Not that the CDC has much credibility left, but they just revised their recommendations today to eliminate testing of people without systems.

  156. HA says:

    All you posers crying about having to wear masks need to step back to the source if you want to stop the nanny-state from taking us over.

    When Ignaz Semmelweiss — the real culprit in this long, doomed-to-fail runaround against Darwinian survival of the immunologically-fittest — started up with his crazy notion that doctors should WASH THEIR HANDS, the medical establishment was outraged. How dare this upstart propagate the crazy notion that doctors — and human beings in general — are not just unclean, but veritable cesspools of contamination and disease. It’s dehumanizing. It’s monstrous. It’s bad for business and will cause people to mistrust doctors and hospitals. It will cause endless neuroses among the psychologically frail. It’s expensive and uncomfortable (not to mention unhealthy) to repeatedly keep washing hands with potentially toxic substances. The man ought to be committed.

    [MORE]

    And sure enough, his detractors were correct about all those things — including, eventually, the last one, though to be fair, it turned Semmelweiss, with his eggheaded facts and tables, was even MORE correct.

    But that’s not the point. The point is that Semmelweiss is the ENEMY who really got the germophobia ball rolling, though, come to think of it, I guess the Rockefeller Foundation’s efforts to make more effective factory drones (by getting Southerners to obsess about their hookworm-infested outhouses, even though they had done just fine up till then, thank you very much) was also instrumental in allowing the hygeine Nazis to have their way with us. Thanks a lot, Mr. Rockefeller, for spreading the Yankee-inspired bigotry that Southerners are slow, dim-witted yokels full of parasites. Driving old Dixie down, yet again.

    It’s time we put their tyranny to an end. I mean, really, what does it matter if a couple thousand more women and babies die in childbirth every year, in a world of 7 billion people? It’s hardly a rounding error, I tell ya! Is that really a cause for overloading already-overstressed obstetricians and maternity-ward nurses with incessant handwashing? What about the billions spent on sanitization aequipment and all the countless man-hours lost in rinsing and repeating? And what does it matter if a few million more children grow up stunted and stupid because of hookworm-related anemia? For that matter, what does it matter if a few more people die in traffic accidents because they’re not wearing seat-belts? Is this any reason for the nanny state to cramp our style? Is the refusal to wear a shirt and shoes (or pants, for that matter) really a good excuse to deny someone entry into a McDonalds? No, I tell ya — it’s all a plot by the POWERS THAT BE to dehumanize us and make us conform.

    You fragile little snowflakes crying about having to wear a mask at Walmart make me sick (pun intended). That’s nothing. When they took away seatbelts, they robbed us of the all-American ideal that was the freedom of the road, and it was FOREVER, not for the duration of some pandemic. And they just kept piling on — later, it was shoulder belts, air bags, that annoying beep you hear until you finally give in and buckle up. Even when it turned out that little kids were GETTING DECAPITATED by air bags, you think the health komissars might have wanted to reconsider just a little bit? No! Not for a moment, They just told us we’d have to put Junior in the back seat and just deal with it. I kid you not. Now THAT is some hard core nanny-state action. And don’t even get me started on second-hand smoke. And you’re whining about having to wear a mask? Give me a break.

    If you’re going to cry about that, go back to the source and demand that we burn Dr Semmelweiss in effigy, the one who got this whole hysteria started. A true-to-life Emmanuel Goldstein, I say. And that’s not all: Unstrap those seatbelts. Take a dump — in fact, do it in the street like a real man after Diogenes’ own heart — and don’t you dare wash your hands. In fact, don’t even bother with toilet paper — our ancestors didn’t have that, either, and they turned out fine, didn’t they? You were given two hands, after all, and that’s what the left one is for. So let’s all go back to having stunted anemic Third-world levels of disease and filth and traffic death, the way our ancestors did, because THAT, my friends, is true freedom and true liberty (and a whole lot less auto-immune diseases all around — look up ‘hygiene hypothesis’ — so it’s a win-win).

    You think every single Third-world immigrant who serves you tacos washes his hands thoroughly every single time he takes a leak? Dream on, sucker. And you haven’t died yet, have you? So stop trying to have it both ways. If you’re going to complain about a little strip of fabric, start noticing all the other ways the nanny state has boxed you in. Take those shirts and shoes off (and pants, too, don’t forget the pants) and DEMAND that they serve you a burger. Do it today — come on, who’s with me? (I mean, you’ll have to go first, of course — someone has to stay back and “strategize”. And if it works out, don’t you dare forget to credit me. If it doesn’t, well, you know what they say about snitches.)

    Remember, blame it all on Semmelweiss. Pasteur, too, while we’re at it. Sure, maybe a sizable fraction of us would be dead by now if doctors had kept on ignoring people like that, but so what? Masks cramp our style, and in the end, that’s what’s really important.

    • Thanks: Kaz
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @HA

    You are wise beyond comprehension. Your circumlocutions would mystify God Himself.

    Meanwhile, burn your face diaper and:

    Get Out Live Life!

    Replies: @HA

    , @Lars Porsena
    @HA

    At least you're admitting you're afraid of germs and just want everyone in masks and gloves all the time anyway. Hey Howard Hughes, have you ever seen the movie Demolition Man?

    At the time I thought it was just a cheesy B sci-fi/action movie. But it turns out it was somehow a social parable and disturbing warning about the future.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQIRD57lls8

    Replies: @HA

    , @Bill P
    @HA

    HA, why don't you lead by example? You wear the mask, you stay inside, and you keep your kids locked in the fallout shelter. Then, when it's all over and you emerge from quarantine, you can piss on our corpses and declare victory. Deal?

    Replies: @HA

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @HA

    All safety/freedom trade-offs have to go through periods of political struggle before society settles on what it's comfortable with. The "masks are too much" side seem to have some legitimate beefs. Suggesting that freedom-over-safety is automatically wrong because you can cite examples of safety-over-freedom that people are comfortable with is a non-sequitur.

    We can play the same game from the other side too. No doubt* universal masking would have been saving lives lost due to influenza deaths in past years. Where were you demanding that we mask up come flu season? And why are people in nursing homes allowed to have visitors between autumn and spring? And why aren't we irradiating every leaf of every head of lettuce sold in a supermarket to prevent E.coli deaths?

    This is stupid stuff. Even in hospitals, protocols are submitted to cost-benefit analysis. Your silly perspective adds nothing to a debate about not only masks but public health measures in general in an age of increased pandemic risk.


    *I am agreeing for the sake of argument that masks are actually effective, although how effective and under what circumstances is actually an open question.

    Replies: @HA

  157. @Bill P
    Doesn't seem to matter to the teachers -- they won't budge over here.

    It's kind of weird how children have been targeted with the most punitive measures. No school, playgrounds cordoned off with police tape, toddlers forced to comply with burdensome rules they can't possibly understand...

    The developmental implications are going to be severe, especially for the kids the democrats claim to care about. How much will the black illiteracy rate rise among the current black crop of elementary school students because of this? How many immigrant children will never gain native proficiency in English? If the teachers get their way, the kids will miss up to a year of school at a critical time.

    Language acquisition tails off at the age of twelve. That gives them 54-63 months of school to acquire a skill that has more influence on their later success than any other. If they miss only six of those months, that's 10% of the total.

    Will that have future implications? You bet it will! Yet, somehow, this is considered trivial compared to the menace of coronavirus. So, let it be known that we are willing to sacrifice the futures of millions of children in order to save, what, a thousand people who have already lived full lives and maybe a couple dozen unlucky healthy people. And that's probably an overestimate given that there's no solid evidence that keeping kids out of school makes any difference in the long run anyway.

    Replies: @Jesse, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @but an humble craftsman, @Mr. Anon

    Doesn’t seem to matter to the teachers — they won’t budge over here.

    I saw a quote on a twitter feed somewhere:

    Will the teachers who say they are afraid to teach my teenager in school stop going to the restaurant where my teenager waits on them?

  158. @Whiskey
    @Travis

    Why would you think that? Biden already said he wants a national lockdown forever.

    This will never end. It destroys small business and boost Amazon. It hurts White people and helps blacks who if working do so for government of mega Corp .

    It allows can governor to be on TV every day.

    This will never ever end. Not ever. It will just get worse under Biden.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @JohnPlywood

    It’s pathetic how unpaid political slaves such as yourself are devoted to the constant denial of objective reality.

    The coronavirus lockdown has helped white men, and hurt women and minorities.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-unemployment-layoffs-blacks-latinos/2900371001/

    Coronavirus layoffs disproportionately hurt black and Latino workers: ‘It’s almost like doomsday is coming’

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/09/hispanic-women-immigrants-young-adults-those-with-less-education-hit-hardest-by-covid-19-job-losses/

    Among men, Asian (-17%), Hispanic (-15%) and black (-13%) workers have experienced a greater loss than white (-9%) workers in the COVID-19 recession. The pattern among men also contrasts with the Great Recession, when the rate of job loss among white and black workers was steeper than among Asian and Hispanic workers.

    Employment among immigrant workers has decreased more sharply than among U.S.-born workers in the COVID-19 recession, a 19% drop compared with 12%. In the Great Recession, immigrants lost jobs at a slightly slower pace than U.S.-born workers.

    Among the U.S. born, Hispanic workers were more likely than non-Hispanic workers to have lost jobs from February to May. Among the foreign born, employment losses have been equally sharp for Hispanic and non-Hispanic workers, -19% for each group. Hispanics overall are relatively young and less likely to have graduated from college, two factors that put them at a higher risk of unemployment in economic downturns. Also, 44% of Hispanic immigrants in the workforce are estimated to have been unauthorized in 2016, which also likely made them more vulnerable to job cuts. The trends in employment among Hispanic workers are echoed in a Pew Research Center survey conducted April 29-May 5 in which Hispanic adults were more likely than American adults overall to say they have taken a pay cut or lost their job because of the coronavirus outbreak.

    More women than men lost their jobs from February to May, 11.5 million vs. 9.0 million. In sharp contrast, men lost more than twice as many jobs as women in the Great Recession from 2007 to 2009, 5.5 million vs. 2.5 million. Indeed, the COVID-19 downturn is the first of eight downturns in the past five decades in which women have lost more jobs than men

    Rooted in the coronavirus outbreak, job losses in the latest recession have been concentrated in sectors in which social distancing of workers is difficult or the option to telework is lacking. Just three sectors – leisure and hospitality, education and health services, and retail trade – accounted for 59% of the total loss in nonfarm jobs from February to May. These sectors also accounted for 47% of jobs held by women in February, compared with 28% for men, exposing women to a higher risk of unemployment in recent months. Historically, job losses in recessions, including the Great Recession, have centered around goods-producing sectors, such as manufacturing and construction, in which men have a greater presence.

    White men are winning under coronavirus and the associated collapse of the “women and minorities” economy (food, alcohol, “services”, etc). It’s immigrants, nonwhites and women getting screwed.

    Vote Biden 2020 if you care about white people. Vote Trump if you want the party of jobs for illegals and snotty suburban females who didn’t have kids.

    • Troll: HammerJack
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @JohnPlywood

    @HammerJack

    Lol @ placing a "troll" tag on a post that contained nothing but quotations of facts.


    Just goes to show how desperate you fools are to keep your failed narrative alive.

    Just face it, the shutdown accomplished more for white America, or rather white males, than Donald Trump could do with an 8 year tour of duty. The Republican party has been exposed for the illegal alien jobs corp and cuck factory that it is.


    Now even Richard Spencer is joining my lead in the endorsement of Joe Biden.




    The Covid-19 lockdown has restored the Old America in a way that decades of political action never could. The free market revealed itself as the true enemy, and we are now all the wiser for it.

    Replies: @anon

  159. @BB753
    @Thoughts

    Perhaps consulting a psychiatrist would have been more helpful. Not being rude, just saying.. Are you hypochondriac? There, I said it!

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Thoughts

    Question: Is there a method to determine if one is suffering from Covid-19 and not any of the other thousands of medical maladies including even Covid-(N, where N is NOT 19)?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Not to my knowledge.

  160. @HA
    All you posers crying about having to wear masks need to step back to the source if you want to stop the nanny-state from taking us over.

    When Ignaz Semmelweiss -- the real culprit in this long, doomed-to-fail runaround against Darwinian survival of the immunologically-fittest -- started up with his crazy notion that doctors should WASH THEIR HANDS, the medical establishment was outraged. How dare this upstart propagate the crazy notion that doctors -- and human beings in general -- are not just unclean, but veritable cesspools of contamination and disease. It's dehumanizing. It's monstrous. It's bad for business and will cause people to mistrust doctors and hospitals. It will cause endless neuroses among the psychologically frail. It's expensive and uncomfortable (not to mention unhealthy) to repeatedly keep washing hands with potentially toxic substances. The man ought to be committed.

    And sure enough, his detractors were correct about all those things -- including, eventually, the last one, though to be fair, it turned Semmelweiss, with his eggheaded facts and tables, was even MORE correct.

    But that's not the point. The point is that Semmelweiss is the ENEMY who really got the germophobia ball rolling, though, come to think of it, I guess the Rockefeller Foundation's efforts to make more effective factory drones (by getting Southerners to obsess about their hookworm-infested outhouses, even though they had done just fine up till then, thank you very much) was also instrumental in allowing the hygeine Nazis to have their way with us. Thanks a lot, Mr. Rockefeller, for spreading the Yankee-inspired bigotry that Southerners are slow, dim-witted yokels full of parasites. Driving old Dixie down, yet again.

    It's time we put their tyranny to an end. I mean, really, what does it matter if a couple thousand more women and babies die in childbirth every year, in a world of 7 billion people? It's hardly a rounding error, I tell ya! Is that really a cause for overloading already-overstressed obstetricians and maternity-ward nurses with incessant handwashing? What about the billions spent on sanitization aequipment and all the countless man-hours lost in rinsing and repeating? And what does it matter if a few million more children grow up stunted and stupid because of hookworm-related anemia? For that matter, what does it matter if a few more people die in traffic accidents because they're not wearing seat-belts? Is this any reason for the nanny state to cramp our style? Is the refusal to wear a shirt and shoes (or pants, for that matter) really a good excuse to deny someone entry into a McDonalds? No, I tell ya -- it's all a plot by the POWERS THAT BE to dehumanize us and make us conform.

    You fragile little snowflakes crying about having to wear a mask at Walmart make me sick (pun intended). That's nothing. When they took away seatbelts, they robbed us of the all-American ideal that was the freedom of the road, and it was FOREVER, not for the duration of some pandemic. And they just kept piling on -- later, it was shoulder belts, air bags, that annoying beep you hear until you finally give in and buckle up. Even when it turned out that little kids were GETTING DECAPITATED by air bags, you think the health komissars might have wanted to reconsider just a little bit? No! Not for a moment, They just told us we'd have to put Junior in the back seat and just deal with it. I kid you not. Now THAT is some hard core nanny-state action. And don't even get me started on second-hand smoke. And you're whining about having to wear a mask? Give me a break.

    If you're going to cry about that, go back to the source and demand that we burn Dr Semmelweiss in effigy, the one who got this whole hysteria started. A true-to-life Emmanuel Goldstein, I say. And that's not all: Unstrap those seatbelts. Take a dump -- in fact, do it in the street like a real man after Diogenes' own heart -- and don't you dare wash your hands. In fact, don't even bother with toilet paper -- our ancestors didn't have that, either, and they turned out fine, didn't they? You were given two hands, after all, and that's what the left one is for. So let's all go back to having stunted anemic Third-world levels of disease and filth and traffic death, the way our ancestors did, because THAT, my friends, is true freedom and true liberty (and a whole lot less auto-immune diseases all around -- look up 'hygiene hypothesis' -- so it's a win-win).

    You think every single Third-world immigrant who serves you tacos washes his hands thoroughly every single time he takes a leak? Dream on, sucker. And you haven't died yet, have you? So stop trying to have it both ways. If you're going to complain about a little strip of fabric, start noticing all the other ways the nanny state has boxed you in. Take those shirts and shoes off (and pants, too, don't forget the pants) and DEMAND that they serve you a burger. Do it today -- come on, who's with me? (I mean, you'll have to go first, of course -- someone has to stay back and "strategize". And if it works out, don't you dare forget to credit me. If it doesn't, well, you know what they say about snitches.)

    Remember, blame it all on Semmelweiss. Pasteur, too, while we're at it. Sure, maybe a sizable fraction of us would be dead by now if doctors had kept on ignoring people like that, but so what? Masks cramp our style, and in the end, that's what's really important.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Lars Porsena, @Bill P, @Chrisnonymous

    You are wise beyond comprehension. Your circumlocutions would mystify God Himself.

    Meanwhile, burn your face diaper and:

    Get Out Live Life!

    • Replies: @HA
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    "Get Out Live Life!"

    The paradoxical thing I've noticed about all the special little snowflakes around here is that the more unique and individualistic they fancy themselves to be, the more lemming-like they actually become.

    It turns out they had anti-mask demonstrations during the Spanish Flu, too. Were those the real heroes of the WWI era, or were they simply the early version of the same whiny, clueless idiots we see today?

    Do a search on "cholera riots". I mean, how dare the government try and prevent people from dying of cholera! It's an outrage I tell ya! It's a conspiracy! We need to tar and feather a few of them, just to let them know we're on to them. That'll teach them!



    In other words, no one who is protesting all this is engaged in anything new, and they're not doing anything that public health officials who study this thing haven't already read about many times over (even though it's always a struggle figuring out how best to deal with it, and when to just give up and let the tantrum throwers win -- I mean, speed limits used to be 55 for a while, but they could never make that work, so in the end they just gave up, and I'm not saying that won't happen this time around).

    But while some of you keep fulminating about your "dignity" and "liberty" and "rights" and election results all the other things that a virus does not care about in the least (and while the rest of us just roll our eyes and keep on trying to make it through the day) those who are actually able to do the measurements and tally the results will keep trying to get the truth out of whether masks work. Maybe at the end of the day they'll decide that they are more bother than they're worth. I'm not saying it's an easy call and it may never be settled science. We don't just live in Semmelweiss's world. Pareto is the real employee-of-the-week this time around. I mean, it turns out that the vast majority of the infecting comes from just a small subset of the infected. The same goes for the dying. Likewise, the vast majority of what we do to prevent and mitigate the virus is also probably pointless (and perhaps even counter-productive to some extent, as most health&safety measures are). But the rest -- that little tail -- DOES suffice to change the entire narrative, and that's pretty clear to anyone who's paying attention. Again, Pareto distributions at every stage of the game. And finding out what falls into the tail of the distribution isn't easy.

    I don't expect tantrum-throwing idiots to get that, as easy as it is. Viruses are complicated, and oftentimes hard to predict. Whereas stupidity (including my own, which I'll admit makes for a large dataset) is pretty much a constant, and it is about as predictable and tiresome as can be.

  161. @Lars Porsena
    Cases are BS. There are just too many variables to consider and inconsistencies in the way they are measured and reported. Virologists have basically been saying that for a century or two it seems.

    The best proxy for tracking the virus is deaths per million per day. It's been down since March/April.

    There was an upswing more recently, not anywhere near previous highs. The 2nd wave is actually the 1st wave happening in places that never really got a 1st wave before. Virologists have also apparently known about this for a century or more and it follows flu patterns.

    Places that actually avoided it may still be in danger from it (ie New Zealand) but places that actually got hit with it (like most of the northern US) were done months ago. Chicago got it in March and April so of course all this mask obsession business started in May and is ongoing.

    All the new places it hits it does exactly the same thing it did in all the old places it hit, with no difference no matter what anyone does.

    This fact is perhaps more dangerous than the virus itself because people freak the hell out if they lose their false sense of pretend control and do crazy things to get it back.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Places that actually avoided it may still be in danger from it (ie New Zealand) but places that actually got hit with it (like most of the northern US) were done months ago.

    I bet that New Zealand and Australia, despite their police-state measures, will end up with the same death-rates as any place else by the end of 2022.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  162. @peterike
    @Anonymous


    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china.

     

    Indeed. My favorite was the gang of dudes in hazmat suits walking down the street spraying bleach or something like that. Total psy-op!

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/02/15/business/15china-tracking-1/15china-tracking-1-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Indeed. My favorite was the gang of dudes in hazmat suits walking down the street spraying bleach or something like that. Total psy-op!

    In one town in Spain, they hosed down the beach with bleach.

  163. @Kaz
    @Hypnotoad666

    And those Mexican laborers and poorly behaving blacks have by far the highest covid mortality..

    Replies: @Bill P

    Mexican mortality is not high. Mexicans are a bit younger than average, at least here in Washington state. Some have died, but the deaths here have been disproportionately white because white people are older. The two people I knew personally who died from the virus were older grocers. One Jewish and the other Filipino. Both died early on in the pandemic. Unfortunately, they were susceptible.

    Some people my age I know have lost grandparents here. I’m in my 40s, so do the math. It isn’t as though children are dropping dead (thank God).

    I caught a version of SARS back in the late 90s, so I know this can be a nasty infection. The “shortness of breath” is real and quite frightening. But if we want to keep integrating with the Chinese these things are going to be a fact of life, and we can’t just shut down our society each time the people who profit most from China’s rape of our economy get scared. Let those who got rich off selling out our industry and real estate to China face this infection head on. They asked for it.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bill P

    Mexican mortality is not high.

    The Mexicans in Mexico are not doing all that great.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-23/mexico-passes-grim-new-milestone-with-60-000-covid-19-deaths

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bill P


    But if we want to keep integrating with the Chinese these things are going to be a fact of life, and we can’t just shut down our society each time the people who profit most from China’s rape of our economy get scared. Let those who got rich off selling out our industry and real estate to China face this infection head on. They asked for it.
     
    Excellent point, contrary to all the Sinophilic writings on this webzine.

    Also, you and others make a good point about experiencing similar illnesses. The only reason anyone's suffering from this particular one is newsworthy is because this one has been hyped into a big story.

    If there were this big a barrage of stories every time a bad virus came around America, then we would have people like Sharon Stone's sister twittering on about how terrible it is to have. Well, she has a severely limited immune system because she has lupus. She and others like her would have equally horrifying stories to tell if they caught any bad illness at all, not just this one.

    One notices that even the commenters on here who are telling personal stories of suffering are individuals who repeatedly contract and suffer from viruses. God bless them, and thanks to them for sharing their insight.
  164. @HA
    All you posers crying about having to wear masks need to step back to the source if you want to stop the nanny-state from taking us over.

    When Ignaz Semmelweiss -- the real culprit in this long, doomed-to-fail runaround against Darwinian survival of the immunologically-fittest -- started up with his crazy notion that doctors should WASH THEIR HANDS, the medical establishment was outraged. How dare this upstart propagate the crazy notion that doctors -- and human beings in general -- are not just unclean, but veritable cesspools of contamination and disease. It's dehumanizing. It's monstrous. It's bad for business and will cause people to mistrust doctors and hospitals. It will cause endless neuroses among the psychologically frail. It's expensive and uncomfortable (not to mention unhealthy) to repeatedly keep washing hands with potentially toxic substances. The man ought to be committed.

    And sure enough, his detractors were correct about all those things -- including, eventually, the last one, though to be fair, it turned Semmelweiss, with his eggheaded facts and tables, was even MORE correct.

    But that's not the point. The point is that Semmelweiss is the ENEMY who really got the germophobia ball rolling, though, come to think of it, I guess the Rockefeller Foundation's efforts to make more effective factory drones (by getting Southerners to obsess about their hookworm-infested outhouses, even though they had done just fine up till then, thank you very much) was also instrumental in allowing the hygeine Nazis to have their way with us. Thanks a lot, Mr. Rockefeller, for spreading the Yankee-inspired bigotry that Southerners are slow, dim-witted yokels full of parasites. Driving old Dixie down, yet again.

    It's time we put their tyranny to an end. I mean, really, what does it matter if a couple thousand more women and babies die in childbirth every year, in a world of 7 billion people? It's hardly a rounding error, I tell ya! Is that really a cause for overloading already-overstressed obstetricians and maternity-ward nurses with incessant handwashing? What about the billions spent on sanitization aequipment and all the countless man-hours lost in rinsing and repeating? And what does it matter if a few million more children grow up stunted and stupid because of hookworm-related anemia? For that matter, what does it matter if a few more people die in traffic accidents because they're not wearing seat-belts? Is this any reason for the nanny state to cramp our style? Is the refusal to wear a shirt and shoes (or pants, for that matter) really a good excuse to deny someone entry into a McDonalds? No, I tell ya -- it's all a plot by the POWERS THAT BE to dehumanize us and make us conform.

    You fragile little snowflakes crying about having to wear a mask at Walmart make me sick (pun intended). That's nothing. When they took away seatbelts, they robbed us of the all-American ideal that was the freedom of the road, and it was FOREVER, not for the duration of some pandemic. And they just kept piling on -- later, it was shoulder belts, air bags, that annoying beep you hear until you finally give in and buckle up. Even when it turned out that little kids were GETTING DECAPITATED by air bags, you think the health komissars might have wanted to reconsider just a little bit? No! Not for a moment, They just told us we'd have to put Junior in the back seat and just deal with it. I kid you not. Now THAT is some hard core nanny-state action. And don't even get me started on second-hand smoke. And you're whining about having to wear a mask? Give me a break.

    If you're going to cry about that, go back to the source and demand that we burn Dr Semmelweiss in effigy, the one who got this whole hysteria started. A true-to-life Emmanuel Goldstein, I say. And that's not all: Unstrap those seatbelts. Take a dump -- in fact, do it in the street like a real man after Diogenes' own heart -- and don't you dare wash your hands. In fact, don't even bother with toilet paper -- our ancestors didn't have that, either, and they turned out fine, didn't they? You were given two hands, after all, and that's what the left one is for. So let's all go back to having stunted anemic Third-world levels of disease and filth and traffic death, the way our ancestors did, because THAT, my friends, is true freedom and true liberty (and a whole lot less auto-immune diseases all around -- look up 'hygiene hypothesis' -- so it's a win-win).

    You think every single Third-world immigrant who serves you tacos washes his hands thoroughly every single time he takes a leak? Dream on, sucker. And you haven't died yet, have you? So stop trying to have it both ways. If you're going to complain about a little strip of fabric, start noticing all the other ways the nanny state has boxed you in. Take those shirts and shoes off (and pants, too, don't forget the pants) and DEMAND that they serve you a burger. Do it today -- come on, who's with me? (I mean, you'll have to go first, of course -- someone has to stay back and "strategize". And if it works out, don't you dare forget to credit me. If it doesn't, well, you know what they say about snitches.)

    Remember, blame it all on Semmelweiss. Pasteur, too, while we're at it. Sure, maybe a sizable fraction of us would be dead by now if doctors had kept on ignoring people like that, but so what? Masks cramp our style, and in the end, that's what's really important.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Lars Porsena, @Bill P, @Chrisnonymous

    At least you’re admitting you’re afraid of germs and just want everyone in masks and gloves all the time anyway. Hey Howard Hughes, have you ever seen the movie Demolition Man?

    At the time I thought it was just a cheesy B sci-fi/action movie. But it turns out it was somehow a social parable and disturbing warning about the future.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Lars Porsena

    "At least you’re admitting you’re afraid of germs and just want everyone in masks and gloves all the time anyway."

    I certainly have no problem with everyone washing hands, despite the billions of dollars spent making it happen (to sometimes dubious effect). I also have no problem with people strapping on their safety belts either -- somehow we've managed, as a species, to survive even that spasm of nanny-state excess. The fact that I hear this outcry against masks, but not a 'rebbit' against all the rest of the stuff you all tolerate without a second thought (as the water temperature is slowly increased to boiling), just indicates that, like all snowflakes, the ones we're seeing these days are simply insisting that everyone must acknowledge that their pain and their microagressions are so much worse than those others had to endure, regardless of whether that's true. (And in this case, it's really not.)

    As for me, I'll save my sympathies for those who had to strap on real masks when they were cowering underground during the Blitz and at Dresden (even though I doubt those masks saved more than a few given what they were up against). I'll need to find a much smaller violin if I'm to even try to give you the validation you seem to think you're entitled to.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Lars Porsena

  165. @HA
    All you posers crying about having to wear masks need to step back to the source if you want to stop the nanny-state from taking us over.

    When Ignaz Semmelweiss -- the real culprit in this long, doomed-to-fail runaround against Darwinian survival of the immunologically-fittest -- started up with his crazy notion that doctors should WASH THEIR HANDS, the medical establishment was outraged. How dare this upstart propagate the crazy notion that doctors -- and human beings in general -- are not just unclean, but veritable cesspools of contamination and disease. It's dehumanizing. It's monstrous. It's bad for business and will cause people to mistrust doctors and hospitals. It will cause endless neuroses among the psychologically frail. It's expensive and uncomfortable (not to mention unhealthy) to repeatedly keep washing hands with potentially toxic substances. The man ought to be committed.

    And sure enough, his detractors were correct about all those things -- including, eventually, the last one, though to be fair, it turned Semmelweiss, with his eggheaded facts and tables, was even MORE correct.

    But that's not the point. The point is that Semmelweiss is the ENEMY who really got the germophobia ball rolling, though, come to think of it, I guess the Rockefeller Foundation's efforts to make more effective factory drones (by getting Southerners to obsess about their hookworm-infested outhouses, even though they had done just fine up till then, thank you very much) was also instrumental in allowing the hygeine Nazis to have their way with us. Thanks a lot, Mr. Rockefeller, for spreading the Yankee-inspired bigotry that Southerners are slow, dim-witted yokels full of parasites. Driving old Dixie down, yet again.

    It's time we put their tyranny to an end. I mean, really, what does it matter if a couple thousand more women and babies die in childbirth every year, in a world of 7 billion people? It's hardly a rounding error, I tell ya! Is that really a cause for overloading already-overstressed obstetricians and maternity-ward nurses with incessant handwashing? What about the billions spent on sanitization aequipment and all the countless man-hours lost in rinsing and repeating? And what does it matter if a few million more children grow up stunted and stupid because of hookworm-related anemia? For that matter, what does it matter if a few more people die in traffic accidents because they're not wearing seat-belts? Is this any reason for the nanny state to cramp our style? Is the refusal to wear a shirt and shoes (or pants, for that matter) really a good excuse to deny someone entry into a McDonalds? No, I tell ya -- it's all a plot by the POWERS THAT BE to dehumanize us and make us conform.

    You fragile little snowflakes crying about having to wear a mask at Walmart make me sick (pun intended). That's nothing. When they took away seatbelts, they robbed us of the all-American ideal that was the freedom of the road, and it was FOREVER, not for the duration of some pandemic. And they just kept piling on -- later, it was shoulder belts, air bags, that annoying beep you hear until you finally give in and buckle up. Even when it turned out that little kids were GETTING DECAPITATED by air bags, you think the health komissars might have wanted to reconsider just a little bit? No! Not for a moment, They just told us we'd have to put Junior in the back seat and just deal with it. I kid you not. Now THAT is some hard core nanny-state action. And don't even get me started on second-hand smoke. And you're whining about having to wear a mask? Give me a break.

    If you're going to cry about that, go back to the source and demand that we burn Dr Semmelweiss in effigy, the one who got this whole hysteria started. A true-to-life Emmanuel Goldstein, I say. And that's not all: Unstrap those seatbelts. Take a dump -- in fact, do it in the street like a real man after Diogenes' own heart -- and don't you dare wash your hands. In fact, don't even bother with toilet paper -- our ancestors didn't have that, either, and they turned out fine, didn't they? You were given two hands, after all, and that's what the left one is for. So let's all go back to having stunted anemic Third-world levels of disease and filth and traffic death, the way our ancestors did, because THAT, my friends, is true freedom and true liberty (and a whole lot less auto-immune diseases all around -- look up 'hygiene hypothesis' -- so it's a win-win).

    You think every single Third-world immigrant who serves you tacos washes his hands thoroughly every single time he takes a leak? Dream on, sucker. And you haven't died yet, have you? So stop trying to have it both ways. If you're going to complain about a little strip of fabric, start noticing all the other ways the nanny state has boxed you in. Take those shirts and shoes off (and pants, too, don't forget the pants) and DEMAND that they serve you a burger. Do it today -- come on, who's with me? (I mean, you'll have to go first, of course -- someone has to stay back and "strategize". And if it works out, don't you dare forget to credit me. If it doesn't, well, you know what they say about snitches.)

    Remember, blame it all on Semmelweiss. Pasteur, too, while we're at it. Sure, maybe a sizable fraction of us would be dead by now if doctors had kept on ignoring people like that, but so what? Masks cramp our style, and in the end, that's what's really important.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Lars Porsena, @Bill P, @Chrisnonymous

    HA, why don’t you lead by example? You wear the mask, you stay inside, and you keep your kids locked in the fallout shelter. Then, when it’s all over and you emerge from quarantine, you can piss on our corpses and declare victory. Deal?

    • Replies: @HA
    @Bill P

    "You wear the mask, you stay inside, and you keep your kids locked in the fallout shelter."

    Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you. Until then, don't pretend you're not one of those hermetically sealed Chicken-Littles you're railing against, bubble boy. We're all living in Semelweiss's world. Some of us are just too hypocritical to admit it.

    Man, it must really be lame to be an epidemiologist -- the better you are at your job, the more millions of angry Fox Butterfield clones you run into, all of them screaming "Why are we wasting all this effort on disease prevention given that so few people are dying?"

    If the answer is that we do it so as to better protect all the geniuses who ask questions like that, then it must lead to some serious soul-searching.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Hippopotamusdrome

  166. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Gregory

    Biden is on the record calling for a national mask mandate. If Biden wins we will have Covid-1984 forever and it will be the perfect pretext for the Democrats to do whatever the hell they want.

    In other words, you are wrong and catastrophically so.

    Replies: @Orchestal_Xandros

    Perhaps 10 weeks ago I was still pretty firm in the belief that the virus simply came from China, a known cesspool for viruses. The added 3 months and increasingly overt power grabs by elites all but confirms to me this was just part of the plan. I have no doubt anymore that this time next year, New York and California will still have immense restrictions.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Troll: Corvinus
  167. OT: RNC Convention was KILLER! Loved everybody! Loved the accents….so many! The women were beautiful; the men still “have it,” and they were warriors; and the young people were way, way above average!

    I shed tears with Maximo Alvarez! What a great name is Maximo !? Maximo will be the most popular baby name in 2021 KIm K stole the hearts of all of us.

  168. @Bill P
    @Kaz

    Mexican mortality is not high. Mexicans are a bit younger than average, at least here in Washington state. Some have died, but the deaths here have been disproportionately white because white people are older. The two people I knew personally who died from the virus were older grocers. One Jewish and the other Filipino. Both died early on in the pandemic. Unfortunately, they were susceptible.

    Some people my age I know have lost grandparents here. I'm in my 40s, so do the math. It isn't as though children are dropping dead (thank God).

    I caught a version of SARS back in the late 90s, so I know this can be a nasty infection. The "shortness of breath" is real and quite frightening. But if we want to keep integrating with the Chinese these things are going to be a fact of life, and we can't just shut down our society each time the people who profit most from China's rape of our economy get scared. Let those who got rich off selling out our industry and real estate to China face this infection head on. They asked for it.

    Replies: @anon, @Buzz Mohawk

    Mexican mortality is not high.

    The Mexicans in Mexico are not doing all that great.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-23/mexico-passes-grim-new-milestone-with-60-000-covid-19-deaths

  169. @Clyde
    Here is what is most important:

    Daily Covid deaths is the most important number
    Then daily new hospitalizations numbers
    Daily new case numbers are least useful. We know the more testing, the more infections, be they trivial or serious.

    Hospitalizations are not as lethal as they once were. We should be using Hydroxy-zinc-Azithromycin very widely on early stage Covid. Those who have been blocking it are criminals who have deaths on their hands.
    Even without deploying the hydroxy combo, the Docs have learned a lot in the last 6 months on how to rescue and cure those who get serious Covid infections. Diabetes and obesity are linked and are the worst underlying co-factor to have if you come down with covid. Some are born with weak immune systems or have acquired such conditions. This is a very bad co-factor to have.

    Many Americans have diabetes, pre-diabetes, undiagnosed diabetes. You can be skinny or normal weight to have one of these. Get the more advanced diabetes test next time you get a checkup. Not the simple and common one they do in any check up.

    Look up quercetin - zinc combos as a preventive if you are worried. Very common at Amazon and elsewhere. Look up BHT as a common anti-viral for lipid coated viruses. BHT as a preventative.
    _____________________

    Combating COVID-19 with Zinc and Quercetin – Nutritional ...
    https://nutritionalpharmacology.wordpress.com/2020/...
    Mar 21, 2020 · Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Steve Richter, @Anon, @prosa123, @DRA, @travis

    excellent advise.

    Anyone worried about CV should check their blood sugar levels. Pre-diabetes as an early warning sign that you might be headed toward diabetes. The telltale sign is a blood test that show your blood sugar level is higher than normal but not yet high enough to be considered diabetes. Metformin is an excellent drug which controls your blood sugar and reduces your risk of heart disease and CV. If your glucose levels are high your doctor will prescribe it. People worried about CV should eat a low carb diet, keep their weight down and get a supply of Hydroxychloroquine to take if you get symptoms. Also make sure you are getting out in the sun to get more vitamin D in your body. Once we get into the fall you need to supplement with Vit D if you live above the Mason Dixon line. Need to keep your immune system strong and keep your glucose levels down. Tobacco also works to prevent CV. Vaping is a great way to get the required nicotine, and the nicotine pouches, snus and lozenges are another way to get the protective benefits of nicotine. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200720/Involvement-of-nicotine-receptors-in-COVID-19.aspx

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @travis

    u

    , @Clyde
    @travis


    Metformin is an excellent drug which controls your blood sugar and reduces your risk of heart disease and CV.
     
    Metformin is used purely as an anti-aging drug by some. Joe Rogan had this guy on who works at Harvard and is 100% legit. He even owns a few little companies on the side that cater to the elites. thus he is an entrepreneur, not just a theorizing academic.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=David+Sinclair++Joe+Rogan

    Anti-aging Doc, David Sinclair Tells Joe Rogan About His ...
    https://www.garmaonhealth.com/dr-david-sinclair-nmn-supplement-research
    Sep 22, 2019 · Scientists think metformin may be the best candidate for an anti-aging drug because it increases the number of oxygen molecules released into a cell, which appears to boost robustness and longevity. Metformin is safe given that it’s the world’s most widely used diabetes …

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  170. @Bill P
    @HA

    HA, why don't you lead by example? You wear the mask, you stay inside, and you keep your kids locked in the fallout shelter. Then, when it's all over and you emerge from quarantine, you can piss on our corpses and declare victory. Deal?

    Replies: @HA

    “You wear the mask, you stay inside, and you keep your kids locked in the fallout shelter.”

    Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you. Until then, don’t pretend you’re not one of those hermetically sealed Chicken-Littles you’re railing against, bubble boy. We’re all living in Semelweiss’s world. Some of us are just too hypocritical to admit it.

    Man, it must really be lame to be an epidemiologist — the better you are at your job, the more millions of angry Fox Butterfield clones you run into, all of them screaming “Why are we wasting all this effort on disease prevention given that so few people are dying?”

    If the answer is that we do it so as to better protect all the geniuses who ask questions like that, then it must lead to some serious soul-searching.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @HA

    "Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you."

    I don't care whether patrons wear shoes or shirts into a store - in beach towns, women commonly wear skimpy swimsuits in stores. And there is absolutely no evidence that face diapers prevent illness in anyone. In fact, since the advent of the CoronaHoax mass hysteria, facediaper manufacturers include a disclaimer that face diapers don't protect you from ANY virus and are not medical devices. They are meant to humiliate and dehumanize you.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @HA



    Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you.

     

    What about hijabs?
    2017–2019 Iranian protests against compulsory hijab

    Should we do goggles too? Your virus laden eye-juice could kill granma, doncha know.
    Dr. Fauci: Wear goggles or eye shields to prevent spread of COVID-19

    Replies: @HA

  171. RNC: Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden. And that’s the Daily Mail.

    https://mol.im/a/8660381

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @HammerJack

    It changes depending on what time of the day you read Dailymail or even based upon your commenting history.

    The Democrat bots only work at certain times.

    So if you get a Meghan Markle article early, it will be all glowing love for her.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @HammerJack

    "Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden."

    I imagine the Dems have got their online act together a lot more than they did in 2016. Flood comment threads, deplatform your opponents. The disruption of the Trump rally was well organised.

    Just one thing they've fixed since then, but they can't fix their candidate. Strategy is to keep him out of debate at all costs.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @HammerJack


    Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden. And that’s the Daily Mail.
     
    I have been reading the Daily Mail almost daily in one form or another for well over 50 years, so I am somewhat familiar with that publication.

    The comments section appears to be run by bots, and often the exact same comment will be repeated many times. DM comments are a poor source of sentiment. On the other hand the reporting is often punchy and entertaining and it usually gets all the big stories. I just wish they could get rid of Piers Morgan.
  172. @Achmed E. Newman
    @James B. Shearer

    No, not an apology for blogging about what he wants to blog about. For 2 months, maybe more because I quit reading for a while, the posts made it seem like Mr. Sailer (along with Mr. Unz) were completely down with the narrative out of the Infotainment that COVID-19 was Black Plague 2.0. The normal skepticism of the press and government officials was just gone.

    He was quite wrong about this, and I was very glad to see the end of that type of coverage, which was prompted by the intermission with the whole black/Commie riot-fest. I've been wrong about plenty of stuff too, and I'll admit it.

    Of course. you could say that I didn't have to read any of it. So, maybe just an "I was wrong on this" is in order. Mr. Sailer's humerous quick comment on the millions for testing vs. trilliions (bucks that is) for LOCKDOWNS shows that he has come around on this.

    .

    BTW, this was neither rude nor abusive. The "shit" was not Mr. Sailer's writing - it was the entire face mask / panic business that is only getting worse now. Maybe you misunderstood that part.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @James B. Shearer, @AKAHorace

    Sailer was one of the first to say that worrying about outdoor activities like beach parties was a waste of time. He was also one of the first to realize that mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown. I think that his take was pretty good compared to those who first ignored and then panicked about COVID.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AKAHorace

    First of all, Horace, that writing about the beaches and the telephoto effect was well after the first 2 months of this. I should be more clear though, that I'm talking about the big picture, the narrative. Yes, Mr. Sailer questioned plenty of the details about mask wearing, who's got all the masks, why we can't get more, what about N95 ones, where the sources of the drugs are, why the press is badmouthing this or that treatment, are we gonna flatten the curve (remember that?), what's the deal with the ventilators, how the celebrities are handling this, and so on ... I remember all this till I started getting tired of it all.

    It's the big picture, though. The Infotainment narrative that this, just another virus from the Orient, is akin to Black Plague 2.0 and is therefore obviously the biggest story to be told and discussed 24/7 by talking heads is something Mr. Sailer seems to have been down with.... till when, I don't know exactly, now?

    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven't been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don't use) for well over 20 years now. I am never in front of the TV*. 2 summers ago, at a friend's brother's house, Fox News was on, and I stayed in this sunroom of sorts to be sociable. Holy cow! I had no idea that the asinine Russia collusion story was still on. I knew NOTHING of the details the talking heads were going on about (on Trump's side, I think). From what I read on the web, this story went on another year or more. Well I had no idea, because if you don't spend time in front of the idiot plate, you don't get the impression that some 2-year-long(at the time) story is even worth thinking about. Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the '16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about.

    Now, this Kung Flu infotainment has been a boon to the Lyin' Press like nothing in my lifetime, or since the Nixon impeachment (too young to care). Because I don't spend any time in front of the idiot plate, I still had/have my perspective regarding these occasional bad virus strains too.

    I'm sorry, Steve. You're still my favorite blogger around. Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus. I know you are always searching for the truth though, and I think you are getting lots closer to it on this topic.


    .

    * Scarlet Number, go ahead and hit the TROLL button now. I know it hurts you so much that not everyone watches TV. Do it. I know you wanna.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ben tillman, @Corvinus, @Clyde

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @AKAHorace



    mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown

     

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lo9wZsPUiU0/UN6Uc84lyLI/AAAAAAAADgU/Ieq0YTNS334/s1600/why-not-both.jpg
    Let's wear masks as an alnernative to lockdown...Lockdown stays, now have lockdown+masks

    Let's get a (mandatory) vaccine every other month as an alternative to lockdown and masks...Lockdown and masks stays, now have lockdown+masks+vaccine
    , @Kratoklastes
    @AKAHorace


    He was also one of the first to realize that mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown.
     
    One of the HBD-crowds criticisms of our dusky chums, is that they (the duskies) have short mental horizons.

    Do you consider it a positive trait that iSteve was unable to work out that mandatory face-diapers were not intended to be an alternative to lockdown, but just another thing that we must comply with? And that mandatory[1] vaccinations are next?

    Wasn't it, in fact, evidence of a failure to think past the surface, and a failure to form a rational expectation as to how it escalates once the foot is in the door? Evidence of a short cognitive horizon, perhaps?

    This whole covid-theatre is a society-wide version of "It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again".

    In my State there's a $1150 fine if you can't give some half-retarded high-school underperformer a Massah-endorsed excuse for why you're outside your home between 8pm and 5am.


    [1] The Prime Minister of Australia put up the trial ballooon a week ago, saying that any vaccine would be 'as mandatory as we can make it'.

    In other words, they would try to pass unconstitutional legislation, and then slow-roll any challenges (the same method that has been followed for border closures, which are flagrantly unconstitutional and everybody knows it... the High Court won't even hear the first case on the matter until at least October).

    After the predictable hue and cry, he appeared to back down - but every journalist had his marching orders: those who were part of the hue and cry were conspiracy theorists, and besides, this is an emergncy, and it's silly nit-picking to require governments to comply with their foundational documents in an emergency.

    What will happen is that people will be forced to comply, under penalty of loss of access to publicly-provided services (e.g., welfare, pensions, the health service and so forth); furthermore, vaccine makers will be indemnified from lawsuits if their product is unfit for purpose.

    That's where we are now. It will get worse, because this level of unquestioning acceptance is fucking catnip to the vermin who are attracted to political life.

    Survival rates from SARS-nCoV2 are ~99.95% among the economically productive (otherwise-healthy sub-octagenarians) - and already, questions of government constitutionality are a dead letter... by unanimous agreement among the political parasite class and their fellow parasites.

  173. @Lars Porsena
    @HA

    At least you're admitting you're afraid of germs and just want everyone in masks and gloves all the time anyway. Hey Howard Hughes, have you ever seen the movie Demolition Man?

    At the time I thought it was just a cheesy B sci-fi/action movie. But it turns out it was somehow a social parable and disturbing warning about the future.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQIRD57lls8

    Replies: @HA

    “At least you’re admitting you’re afraid of germs and just want everyone in masks and gloves all the time anyway.”

    I certainly have no problem with everyone washing hands, despite the billions of dollars spent making it happen (to sometimes dubious effect). I also have no problem with people strapping on their safety belts either — somehow we’ve managed, as a species, to survive even that spasm of nanny-state excess. The fact that I hear this outcry against masks, but not a ‘rebbit’ against all the rest of the stuff you all tolerate without a second thought (as the water temperature is slowly increased to boiling), just indicates that, like all snowflakes, the ones we’re seeing these days are simply insisting that everyone must acknowledge that their pain and their microagressions are so much worse than those others had to endure, regardless of whether that’s true. (And in this case, it’s really not.)

    As for me, I’ll save my sympathies for those who had to strap on real masks when they were cowering underground during the Blitz and at Dresden (even though I doubt those masks saved more than a few given what they were up against). I’ll need to find a much smaller violin if I’m to even try to give you the validation you seem to think you’re entitled to.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @HA

    "As for me, I’ll save my sympathies for those who had to strap on real masks" blah blah blah

    That's cowardice masquerading as stoicism. It's one way that wimpy men rationalize their assent to tyranny.

    Real men say no when ordered to strap a diaper on their faces. But you, a coward, tell yourself, like a battered abused woman, "It's not so bad, it could be worse, and maybe if I do what he says, his abuse will stop soon. I don't want to make him angry."

    , @Lars Porsena
    @HA

    I have no idea what validation you seem to think I'm seeking. I don't want any. I'm just commenting on how you've all gone moral therapeutic nutso and are turning the world in Demolition Man.

    But it's not because of Corona, which you at least are more upfront about. This Corona response is part of a social trend that goes far beyond the flu and mask wearing. You seemed to have missed that part of my observation, and probably also the film. The real disease is something else and corona is a symptom.

    Your 'in for penny, in for a pound' reasoning is, as far as I can tell, basically true. Personally I don't wear seatbelts when I'm driving. I don't go along with any of it. But it is all of a part, so having donned a mask, you will eventually be washing your ass with seashells and replacing sex with VR porn, letting your ipad drive your car for you, replacing your cops with a national Time Out Program for everyone, avoiding all human contact, letting Stuart Smalley dictate the limits of appropriate speech and practicing your daily affirmations. Maybe also wearing kleenex boxes on your feet.

    Anyway, Sylvester Stallone's character was the hollywood fantasy part. You can only catch him in the happy little stupid movie. Wesley Snipes is real, and he is fantastic.

    Stallone's character requires cryostasis to explain, how could he even be there otherwise? Snipe's character doesn't. The world and the premise require Snipe's stasis, not Snipes. How could the world even be there otherwise?

    If it ever comes down to the pretense of the movie in real life, Stallone, if he even existed, would not be willing to murder endless piles of naive dorks so he would end up being put back into cryostasis by them for swearing too much and scaring the normies. Then they would thaw out Stuart Smalley to go after Snipes and then Snipes would kill everyone, reform the world and become the next Khan, fathering a million nations and bringing the buffalo back to the plains.

    If there is any validation to be had, that will be validation. Buffalo in Illinois, lock the front door, oh boy!

    And if it is within my power, I will spare you, but only on the condition that I will sit indian style on your back and ride you around like a donkey, and you will call me Pasha, and perform blackface minstrel dances when I am bored and clap my hands twice.

    Replies: @HA

  174. I’m struck by how much the mortality rates vary, from country to country, even countries with similar levels of development.

    Singapore has had 27 deaths from about 56,000 cases in total. Belgium has had about 10,000 deaths from 85,000 cases in total.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @PiltdownMan

    I would imagine that Belgium has had a lot more undiagnosed cases than Singapore has had.

    , @utu
    @PiltdownMan

    Singapore CFR=0.05% does not make sense.

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3081772/coronavirus-why-so-few-deaths-among-singapores-14000

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @PiltdownMan

    "I’m struck by how much the mortality rates vary, from country to country, even countries with similar levels of development."

    That's because C19 is a medical coding fiction/hoax.

    , @epebble
    @PiltdownMan

    Not just Singapore; Look at this strangeness:

    deaths
    Mongolia 0
    Cambodia 0
    Laos 0
    Myanmar 6
    Vietnam 27
    Taiwan 7
    Sri Lanka 12
    Thailand 58
    Malaysia 125

    Replies: @Peterike

  175. @PiltdownMan
    I'm struck by how much the mortality rates vary, from country to country, even countries with similar levels of development.

    Singapore has had 27 deaths from about 56,000 cases in total. Belgium has had about 10,000 deaths from 85,000 cases in total.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @utu, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @epebble

    I would imagine that Belgium has had a lot more undiagnosed cases than Singapore has had.

  176. @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey

    It's pathetic how unpaid political slaves such as yourself are devoted to the constant denial of objective reality.

    The coronavirus lockdown has helped white men, and hurt women and minorities.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-unemployment-layoffs-blacks-latinos/2900371001/


    Coronavirus layoffs disproportionately hurt black and Latino workers: 'It’s almost like doomsday is coming'


     

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/09/hispanic-women-immigrants-young-adults-those-with-less-education-hit-hardest-by-covid-19-job-losses/

    Among men, Asian (-17%), Hispanic (-15%) and black (-13%) workers have experienced a greater loss than white (-9%) workers in the COVID-19 recession. The pattern among men also contrasts with the Great Recession, when the rate of job loss among white and black workers was steeper than among Asian and Hispanic workers.

     


    Employment among immigrant workers has decreased more sharply than among U.S.-born workers in the COVID-19 recession, a 19% drop compared with 12%. In the Great Recession, immigrants lost jobs at a slightly slower pace than U.S.-born workers.

    Among the U.S. born, Hispanic workers were more likely than non-Hispanic workers to have lost jobs from February to May. Among the foreign born, employment losses have been equally sharp for Hispanic and non-Hispanic workers, -19% for each group. Hispanics overall are relatively young and less likely to have graduated from college, two factors that put them at a higher risk of unemployment in economic downturns. Also, 44% of Hispanic immigrants in the workforce are estimated to have been unauthorized in 2016, which also likely made them more vulnerable to job cuts. The trends in employment among Hispanic workers are echoed in a Pew Research Center survey conducted April 29-May 5 in which Hispanic adults were more likely than American adults overall to say they have taken a pay cut or lost their job because of the coronavirus outbreak.
     


    More women than men lost their jobs from February to May, 11.5 million vs. 9.0 million. In sharp contrast, men lost more than twice as many jobs as women in the Great Recession from 2007 to 2009, 5.5 million vs. 2.5 million. Indeed, the COVID-19 downturn is the first of eight downturns in the past five decades in which women have lost more jobs than men


    Rooted in the coronavirus outbreak, job losses in the latest recession have been concentrated in sectors in which social distancing of workers is difficult or the option to telework is lacking. Just three sectors – leisure and hospitality, education and health services, and retail trade – accounted for 59% of the total loss in nonfarm jobs from February to May. These sectors also accounted for 47% of jobs held by women in February, compared with 28% for men, exposing women to a higher risk of unemployment in recent months. Historically, job losses in recessions, including the Great Recession, have centered around goods-producing sectors, such as manufacturing and construction, in which men have a greater presence.
     

    White men are winning under coronavirus and the associated collapse of the "women and minorities" economy (food, alcohol, "services", etc). It's immigrants, nonwhites and women getting screwed.


    Vote Biden 2020 if you care about white people. Vote Trump if you want the party of jobs for illegals and snotty suburban females who didn't have kids.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Lol @ placing a “troll” tag on a post that contained nothing but quotations of facts.

    Just goes to show how desperate you fools are to keep your failed narrative alive.

    Just face it, the shutdown accomplished more for white America, or rather white males, than Donald Trump could do with an 8 year tour of duty. The Republican party has been exposed for the illegal alien jobs corp and cuck factory that it is.

    Now even Richard Spencer is joining my lead in the endorsement of Joe Biden.

    The Covid-19 lockdown has restored the Old America in a way that decades of political action never could. The free market revealed itself as the true enemy, and we are now all the wiser for it.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @anon
    @JohnPlywood

    Covid has been the best anti-immigration agent so far. Net migration for 2020 is almost zero and will be negligible for 2021. It has become the immigration moratorium everyone aspired for but no one knew how to enact or enforce.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  177. @syonredux
    Looks as though the Left has decided that the 19th Amendment was a bad idea...


    100 Years Later, the Racist Legacy and Violence of the 19th Amendment Persist

    August 26 will mark the 100th anniversary of the 19th Amendment, which extended the right to vote to white women. Donald Trump celebrated the occasion last week by posthumously pardoning Susan B. Anthony in a move that might have stunned feminists who don’t know the murky, white supremacist history behind exclusionary, white-led suffrage movements. But no one should have been surprised—there is significant overlap in Trump and Anthony’s political goals, specifically where advancing white supremacy is concerned.
     
    https://www.themarysue.com/racist-legacy-19th-amendment/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    and became leaders in community anti-bussing efforts…

    Those harridan prudes just hated public displays of affection.

  178. In all the public health reporting of COVID-19 case counts, I have never once seen case count data adjusted for testing rate.

    Has anyone seen COVID-19 case count data adjusted for testing rate?

  179. @theMann
    The whole point of the Masks from the beginning is that 1. They were inane, pointless, useless creation to stop the spread of the "virus" and 2. Were decidedly uncomfortable to wear. They were never used to stop disease, they were there to test obedience, and whole populations have obeyed,like whipped dogs rolling over and wetting themselves.


    The Powers That Be must be astounded at how readily everyone has bowed down to them. Expect the next round of events to be immeasurably nastier than the current round.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @BenKenobi, @ThurstonBT

    Your assessment of “[t]he whole point of the Masks” is akin to Theodore Dalrymple’s assessment of the purpose of communist propaganda:

    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
    — Theodore Dalrymple

    Ref. https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/67950.Theodore_Dalrymple

  180. @Anonymous
    "Early in life I noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper."

    - George Orwell


    Tony Heller runs a great twitter feed. He brings the hard data that opposition just ignores because it can't be refuted.

    I like Scott Adams but he is a liberal and as such he refuses to debate Tony Heller on climate change or covid.

    Heller also sprinkles in timeless quotes from great MEN of the past. Not just THE past but OUR past as westerners seeking the truth.

    I emphasize MEN because the nature of women is different from men. We are living in a matriarchy and the result is a succession of moral panics. Moral panics are mostly female panics.

    Replies: @ThurstonBT

    Your Orwell quote is akin to the phenomena of Gell-Mann amnesia:

    “𝘉𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘧𝘭𝘺 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘦𝘭𝘭-𝘔𝘢𝘯𝘯 𝘈𝘮𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘢 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘰𝘸𝘴.” Nb. physics Nobelist Murray Gell-Mann[2]. “𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘸𝘴𝘱𝘢𝘱𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘯 𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘭𝘦 𝘰𝘯 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘣𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭. 𝘐𝘯 𝘔𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘢𝘺’𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦, 𝘱𝘩𝘺𝘴𝘪𝘤𝘴. 𝘐𝘯 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘦, 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘣𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘫𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘴𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦𝘴. 𝘖𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘯, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘭𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘰 𝘸𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘥—𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵. 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 “𝘸𝘦𝘵 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯” 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴. 𝘗𝘢𝘱𝘦𝘳’𝘴 𝘧𝘶𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮.
    𝘐𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘢𝘮𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘶𝘭𝘵𝘪𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘺, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘨𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘰𝘳 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘧𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘳𝘴, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘢𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘸𝘴𝘱𝘢𝘱𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘗𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘢𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘺 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘨𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘦𝘵 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸.”
    – Michael Crichton [1]

    Ref.
    [1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-gell-mann-amnesia-effect-is-as-follows-you
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Gell-Mann

  181. @Whiskey
    @El Dato

    Women are a reliable indicator of what men have power. Hint it's not White men.

    Black men rule the West. Have since the early 1960s

    Replies: @Clyde, @Corvinus

    Women are a reliable indicator of what men have power. Hint it’s not White men.
    Black men rule the West. Have since the early 1960s

    You are referring to H Rap Brown, Urkel and Jimmie Walker “Dy-no-mite!”

  182. anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    So, Mr. Sailer, why do YOU think that cases are falling? Why not provide some insight into the numbers?

    It could be this...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/08/12/accuracy-of-us-coronavirus-data-thrown-into-question-as-decline-in-testing-skews-drop-in-new-cases.html

    Replies: @anon

    Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it. If you have to wait 10 days, why bother. A positive test doesn’t’t mean you get out of the penalty box. Why? — Because.

    Meanwhile, the reported death rate has been steady as you go, 1,000/day outf 50,000 positive for a reported case fatality rate of 2%. With a lag on the deaths of a couple of weeks.

    This statistic is highly biased with the denominator being way to low and the numerator too high.
    I’m sticking to my Bayesian estimate of 1/2 of 1% or .5%. For my prior, I’m using adjusted data from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship. That’s what I started with and the additional data hasn’t added much. With a CI of +/- .2%.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    "Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it."

    What are your sources?

    "Meanwhile, the reported death rate has been steady as you go, 1,000/day outf 50,000 positive for a reported case fatality rate of 2%. With a lag on the deaths of a couple of weeks. This statistic is highly biased with the denominator being way to low and the numerator too high."

    On what specific basis is this statistic biased?

    "I’m sticking to my Bayesian estimate of 1/2 of 1% or .5%. For my prior, I’m using adjusted data from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship."

    Are you in the medical and/or statistics field? How is this data more significant compared to other data?

    Replies: @anon

    , @John Johnson
    @anon

    Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it. If you have to wait 10 days, why bother. A positive test doesn’t mean you get out of the penalty box. Why? — Because.

    There are also people that don't get tested because they don't want to miss work.

    If they don't have symptoms then they don't want to quarantine.

    There was also a major lack of tests early on. They would come up with excuses to send people home without a test. My wife knew a medical worker that was turned down. She was told that a cough and fever wasn't enough and to go home for a while. This is while the local Dem government official was telling us on tv that anyone can get tested.

  183. @Bill P
    @Kaz

    Mexican mortality is not high. Mexicans are a bit younger than average, at least here in Washington state. Some have died, but the deaths here have been disproportionately white because white people are older. The two people I knew personally who died from the virus were older grocers. One Jewish and the other Filipino. Both died early on in the pandemic. Unfortunately, they were susceptible.

    Some people my age I know have lost grandparents here. I'm in my 40s, so do the math. It isn't as though children are dropping dead (thank God).

    I caught a version of SARS back in the late 90s, so I know this can be a nasty infection. The "shortness of breath" is real and quite frightening. But if we want to keep integrating with the Chinese these things are going to be a fact of life, and we can't just shut down our society each time the people who profit most from China's rape of our economy get scared. Let those who got rich off selling out our industry and real estate to China face this infection head on. They asked for it.

    Replies: @anon, @Buzz Mohawk

    But if we want to keep integrating with the Chinese these things are going to be a fact of life, and we can’t just shut down our society each time the people who profit most from China’s rape of our economy get scared. Let those who got rich off selling out our industry and real estate to China face this infection head on. They asked for it.

    Excellent point, contrary to all the Sinophilic writings on this webzine.

    Also, you and others make a good point about experiencing similar illnesses. The only reason anyone’s suffering from this particular one is newsworthy is because this one has been hyped into a big story.

    If there were this big a barrage of stories every time a bad virus came around America, then we would have people like Sharon Stone’s sister twittering on about how terrible it is to have. Well, she has a severely limited immune system because she has lupus. She and others like her would have equally horrifying stories to tell if they caught any bad illness at all, not just this one.

    One notices that even the commenters on here who are telling personal stories of suffering are individuals who repeatedly contract and suffer from viruses. God bless them, and thanks to them for sharing their insight.

  184. @travis
    @Clyde

    excellent advise.

    Anyone worried about CV should check their blood sugar levels. Pre-diabetes as an early warning sign that you might be headed toward diabetes. The telltale sign is a blood test that show your blood sugar level is higher than normal but not yet high enough to be considered diabetes. Metformin is an excellent drug which controls your blood sugar and reduces your risk of heart disease and CV. If your glucose levels are high your doctor will prescribe it. People worried about CV should eat a low carb diet, keep their weight down and get a supply of Hydroxychloroquine to take if you get symptoms. Also make sure you are getting out in the sun to get more vitamin D in your body. Once we get into the fall you need to supplement with Vit D if you live above the Mason Dixon line. Need to keep your immune system strong and keep your glucose levels down. Tobacco also works to prevent CV. Vaping is a great way to get the required nicotine, and the nicotine pouches, snus and lozenges are another way to get the protective benefits of nicotine. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200720/Involvement-of-nicotine-receptors-in-COVID-19.aspx

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

    u

  185. @Goatweed
    Are false positives removed from the total number of cases reported?

    Replies: @ThurstonBT

    I suspect strongly that false positive tests are NOT removed from the reported case counts.

    Consider what testing and subsequent actions would be necessary to detect and remove false positives from case count reporting.

  186. @travis
    @Clyde

    excellent advise.

    Anyone worried about CV should check their blood sugar levels. Pre-diabetes as an early warning sign that you might be headed toward diabetes. The telltale sign is a blood test that show your blood sugar level is higher than normal but not yet high enough to be considered diabetes. Metformin is an excellent drug which controls your blood sugar and reduces your risk of heart disease and CV. If your glucose levels are high your doctor will prescribe it. People worried about CV should eat a low carb diet, keep their weight down and get a supply of Hydroxychloroquine to take if you get symptoms. Also make sure you are getting out in the sun to get more vitamin D in your body. Once we get into the fall you need to supplement with Vit D if you live above the Mason Dixon line. Need to keep your immune system strong and keep your glucose levels down. Tobacco also works to prevent CV. Vaping is a great way to get the required nicotine, and the nicotine pouches, snus and lozenges are another way to get the protective benefits of nicotine. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200720/Involvement-of-nicotine-receptors-in-COVID-19.aspx

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

    Metformin is an excellent drug which controls your blood sugar and reduces your risk of heart disease and CV.

    Metformin is used purely as an anti-aging drug by some. Joe Rogan had this guy on who works at Harvard and is 100% legit. He even owns a few little companies on the side that cater to the elites. thus he is an entrepreneur, not just a theorizing academic.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=David+Sinclair++Joe+Rogan

    Anti-aging Doc, David Sinclair Tells Joe Rogan About His …
    https://www.garmaonhealth.com/dr-david-sinclair-nmn-supplement-research
    Sep 22, 2019 · Scientists think metformin may be the best candidate for an anti-aging drug because it increases the number of oxygen molecules released into a cell, which appears to boost robustness and longevity. Metformin is safe given that it’s the world’s most widely used diabetes …

    • Agree: travis
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Clyde

    The search for the Fountain of Youth continues...

    Life is short. Period. Nothing you do will lengthen it to any significant degree. Enjoy it to the hilt or die trying. Or die for something you truly believe in.

    Perhaps the most important thing in life is to die happy. Whatever you can do to achieve that, do it.

    Replies: @Clyde

  187. @PiltdownMan
    I'm struck by how much the mortality rates vary, from country to country, even countries with similar levels of development.

    Singapore has had 27 deaths from about 56,000 cases in total. Belgium has had about 10,000 deaths from 85,000 cases in total.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @utu, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @epebble

  188. @Clyde
    @travis


    Metformin is an excellent drug which controls your blood sugar and reduces your risk of heart disease and CV.
     
    Metformin is used purely as an anti-aging drug by some. Joe Rogan had this guy on who works at Harvard and is 100% legit. He even owns a few little companies on the side that cater to the elites. thus he is an entrepreneur, not just a theorizing academic.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=David+Sinclair++Joe+Rogan

    Anti-aging Doc, David Sinclair Tells Joe Rogan About His ...
    https://www.garmaonhealth.com/dr-david-sinclair-nmn-supplement-research
    Sep 22, 2019 · Scientists think metformin may be the best candidate for an anti-aging drug because it increases the number of oxygen molecules released into a cell, which appears to boost robustness and longevity. Metformin is safe given that it’s the world’s most widely used diabetes …

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    The search for the Fountain of Youth continues…

    Life is short. Period. Nothing you do will lengthen it to any significant degree. Enjoy it to the hilt or die trying. Or die for something you truly believe in.

    Perhaps the most important thing in life is to die happy. Whatever you can do to achieve that, do it.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Your reply is proof you need metformin in your diet. You want what you complacently diss. I would take it if I had access to it. I am half joking Buzz. But thanks because you just got me looking more into it.

    Here is metformin as a diabetes preventative. Maybe I can get it from my Doc this way -- https://tinyurl.com/y29b9w4d _____ Metformin is an herbal derivative so this is nice. Meaning it is not one of your modern drugs which come 100% from a test tube. The kind you see on Fox News with the long disclaimer rattled off at warp speed.

  189. @AKAHorace
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sailer was one of the first to say that worrying about outdoor activities like beach parties was a waste of time. He was also one of the first to realize that mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown. I think that his take was pretty good compared to those who first ignored and then panicked about COVID.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kratoklastes

    First of all, Horace, that writing about the beaches and the telephoto effect was well after the first 2 months of this. I should be more clear though, that I’m talking about the big picture, the narrative. Yes, Mr. Sailer questioned plenty of the details about mask wearing, who’s got all the masks, why we can’t get more, what about N95 ones, where the sources of the drugs are, why the press is badmouthing this or that treatment, are we gonna flatten the curve (remember that?), what’s the deal with the ventilators, how the celebrities are handling this, and so on … I remember all this till I started getting tired of it all.

    It’s the big picture, though. The Infotainment narrative that this, just another virus from the Orient, is akin to Black Plague 2.0 and is therefore obviously the biggest story to be told and discussed 24/7 by talking heads is something Mr. Sailer seems to have been down with…. till when, I don’t know exactly, now?

    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven’t been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don’t use) for well over 20 years now. I am never in front of the TV*. 2 summers ago, at a friend’s brother’s house, Fox News was on, and I stayed in this sunroom of sorts to be sociable. Holy cow! I had no idea that the asinine Russia collusion story was still on. I knew NOTHING of the details the talking heads were going on about (on Trump’s side, I think). From what I read on the web, this story went on another year or more. Well I had no idea, because if you don’t spend time in front of the idiot plate, you don’t get the impression that some 2-year-long(at the time) story is even worth thinking about. Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the ’16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about.

    Now, this Kung Flu infotainment has been a boon to the Lyin’ Press like nothing in my lifetime, or since the Nixon impeachment (too young to care). Because I don’t spend any time in front of the idiot plate, I still had/have my perspective regarding these occasional bad virus strains too.

    I’m sorry, Steve. You’re still my favorite blogger around. Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus. I know you are always searching for the truth though, and I think you are getting lots closer to it on this topic.

    .

    * Scarlet Number, go ahead and hit the TROLL button now. I know it hurts you so much that not everyone watches TV. Do it. I know you wanna.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You have a valid point. I too stopped watching TV years ago (although now I'm married, I'm doing it again in Japan because of my wife). I was obsessed with Russian collusion but only because my co-workers, who all watch cable talking heads like Rachel Maddow, kept making it sound like the thing was about to be proved. If not for them, I too would have just thought it was a dumb idea I didn't need to pay attention to--thanks to simply ignoring the TV and the MSM.

    On the other hand, in Sailer's defense, the early-days news on 2019-CoV pneumonia in China made it seem like it was going to be a much bigger deal than it is. And I don't just mean TV news, but actual reports. Enhanced by the fact that the Chinese gov't's lack of transparency raised lots of questions we couldn't answer. It really is possible for a pandemic to be worthy of the attention this one's gotten.

    , @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman


    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven’t been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don’t use) for well over 20 years now.
     
    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @kaganovitch, @Clyde

    , @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the ’16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about."

    You mean lacking perspective considering you choose not to be informed.

    "Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus."

    No, Mr. Sailer's response was based on the fact that Covid-19 is a legitimate health threat.

    , @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I have no TV for 3-4 years. I lucked out with Comcast in my region, they charge fair prices for internet only. Sportball does not get dime one from me.
    My brag is the TV including FoxNews moves too slowly for moi as a means of getting political information. Though Laura Ingraham is amazing these days, very well produced show. She dogs the Covid fakery machine, Tucker is very good.
    I watch Tucker on Y-tube sometimes. The best part is that I can fast forward. Must use the you-tube filter at upper left to properly search for full shows from Tucker and Ingraham

    Watching Tuck right now ________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlWnKrNY72Y ______ You tube nukes these shows after 5-12 hours but you have lots of guerillas uploading, putting them up there.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  190. @Chrisnonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    On the contrary, I am afraid Sailer's comment means he is all in for testing to determine the exact proportions of the infected, which means he still hasn't gotten over the "what is the real rate" fetish that so many fell prey to early on. Is it the same as the flu or X percent or tenths or hundreds of a percent higher? Who cares! It was obvious a long time ago that this is not killing off people like MERS did and that the cure is largely worse than the disease. Ergo, change strategy, back to life, and quit with the "we need testing/vaccine/data/ventilators/whatever before normalization" line.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    “Who cares!” I understand your point, Chris. However, a few million bucks (maybe more than that), to do what, if nothing else, is decent scientific work on the spread of viruses beats the hell out of the Trillions, as Steve noted wryly, that has and is being lost via LOCKDOWNS of the economy. I could have told him that in March, not to mention telling people that the effect on Totalitarianism is much more important than even Trillions of $.

    Because people who really look at the death numbers, all death numbers, after the fact will see that this thing has been overblown to hell, “What is the real rate?” should be a question that scientists in the field should still want to know. Whatever, it’s only an important question to eventually debunk the panickers.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree that it's an important scientific question, worthy of study and funding, but it became unimportant as a political or public policy question months ago and isn't worthy of being followed by the general public or most people outside the CDC and academia.

  191. @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    Excellent!

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Agree!

  192. The Corona Virus will announce a 5 to 1 split on August 31, and case numbers will rise 20% from their July peak.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Tulip

    Thanks for the tip, Tulip! Should I get futures or put options...

    ... and, what the hell are those, BTW?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  193. @BB753
    @Thoughts

    Perhaps consulting a psychiatrist would have been more helpful. Not being rude, just saying.. Are you hypochondriac? There, I said it!

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Thoughts

    Where did that come from?

    Humans think in 1’s and 0’s.

    1- Covid exists and we are all going to die!

    0- Covid doesn’t exist and is made up by the government deep state

    It’s very rare to run into humans who are able to hold ‘The Middle Ground’ in their brain

    The middle ground being that both sides are partially correct: Covid does exist and is a very bad flu with a higher-than-normal fatality rate. The deep-state saw this as an opportunity to further their plans, and control us 1984-style. Never let an opportunity go to waste.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Thoughts

    I never said that covid-19 wasn't real. Just that your reaction wasn't rational to be charitable.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Thoughts



    Covid does exist and is a very bad flu with a higher-than-normal fatality rate

     

    Correction: Covid does exist and is a weak flu with a lower-than-normal fatality rate.


    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

    Differences

    Flu

    Young children are at higher risk of severe illness from flu.

     

    Covid doesn't kill the young, and seems to stick to nursing homes where life expectancy is measured in months.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  194. @HammerJack
    RNC: Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden. And that's the Daily Mail.

    https://mol.im/a/8660381

    Replies: @Thoughts, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason

    It changes depending on what time of the day you read Dailymail or even based upon your commenting history.

    The Democrat bots only work at certain times.

    So if you get a Meghan Markle article early, it will be all glowing love for her.

  195. @obwandiyag
    @Thoughts

    So you're a chump then. My apologies. I thought you were for real.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    I’m worse than a chump.

    I even hate face diapers (exception on public transport/planes where there are elderly)

  196. @Xens
    What a dumb graph to base any descision-making off of. Looking at that graph, where would you expect peak deaths to be? Peak hospitalizations?

    It's even worse on a state by state level. By steadily expanding test coverage, people have worked themselves up into a lather about a disease that was 2-3x a flu at peak mortality, and has now run its course over most of the planet.

    Simple suggestion: To calm fears, every state needs to switch to color-coded "Corona risk chart" similar to the homeland security terrorism risk chart implemented after 9/11 for the same reason, (except we could actually go green on this one because viruses don't have the intelligence to wait for our guard to be dropped before attacking). Risk level should be based on 1) excess hospitalizations, 2) excess mortality, 3) randomized, controlled (!!), population testing.

    Most states would be green right now, with a couple slightly elevated to whatever level 2 is.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @LondonBob

    We had a corona risk chart in Britain originally, haven’t heard of it for a long time, given the number of cases, deaths and hospitalisations it would be at the lowest level requiring everything yo go back to normal, and we can’t have that.

  197. lol at conservatives never not being a tool of global capitalism…the same global capitalism that bought congress and propagandized judges and crammed america full of immigrants invaders…hey, you stupid conservatives–the corona is only the most potent tool for labor in many decades…the best tool we can use against the bosses…against the landlords…IF we are smart enough to use it…but ya gotta resist the propaganda in order to be smart…

    ol’ Stevie boy here is taking the side of the bosses, as usual…well, he doesn’t have a job, does he? Big surprise there…

    yeah, you conservatives are always taking the side of Capital and hating on Labor….well, I voted trump and gop in 2016…but NEVER AGAIN…ever…

  198. @The Alarmist
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So what? How many died or were hospitalised?

    The swing to counting cases versus evaluating outcomes is the real hoax here.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “So what?”

    I was making a point about naturists rather than about Covid, in that there seems to have been rather close contact between holidaymakers.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @YetAnotherAnon

    As if that’s a bad thing ;)

  199. @HammerJack
    RNC: Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden. And that's the Daily Mail.

    https://mol.im/a/8660381

    Replies: @Thoughts, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason

    “Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden.”

    I imagine the Dems have got their online act together a lot more than they did in 2016. Flood comment threads, deplatform your opponents. The disruption of the Trump rally was well organised.

    Just one thing they’ve fixed since then, but they can’t fix their candidate. Strategy is to keep him out of debate at all costs.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  200. @HA
    @Bill P

    "You wear the mask, you stay inside, and you keep your kids locked in the fallout shelter."

    Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you. Until then, don't pretend you're not one of those hermetically sealed Chicken-Littles you're railing against, bubble boy. We're all living in Semelweiss's world. Some of us are just too hypocritical to admit it.

    Man, it must really be lame to be an epidemiologist -- the better you are at your job, the more millions of angry Fox Butterfield clones you run into, all of them screaming "Why are we wasting all this effort on disease prevention given that so few people are dying?"

    If the answer is that we do it so as to better protect all the geniuses who ask questions like that, then it must lead to some serious soul-searching.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you.”

    I don’t care whether patrons wear shoes or shirts into a store – in beach towns, women commonly wear skimpy swimsuits in stores. And there is absolutely no evidence that face diapers prevent illness in anyone. In fact, since the advent of the CoronaHoax mass hysteria, facediaper manufacturers include a disclaimer that face diapers don’t protect you from ANY virus and are not medical devices. They are meant to humiliate and dehumanize you.

  201. @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    Uhh, no. This is a control mechanism. Catnip for Dems.

  202. @HA
    @Lars Porsena

    "At least you’re admitting you’re afraid of germs and just want everyone in masks and gloves all the time anyway."

    I certainly have no problem with everyone washing hands, despite the billions of dollars spent making it happen (to sometimes dubious effect). I also have no problem with people strapping on their safety belts either -- somehow we've managed, as a species, to survive even that spasm of nanny-state excess. The fact that I hear this outcry against masks, but not a 'rebbit' against all the rest of the stuff you all tolerate without a second thought (as the water temperature is slowly increased to boiling), just indicates that, like all snowflakes, the ones we're seeing these days are simply insisting that everyone must acknowledge that their pain and their microagressions are so much worse than those others had to endure, regardless of whether that's true. (And in this case, it's really not.)

    As for me, I'll save my sympathies for those who had to strap on real masks when they were cowering underground during the Blitz and at Dresden (even though I doubt those masks saved more than a few given what they were up against). I'll need to find a much smaller violin if I'm to even try to give you the validation you seem to think you're entitled to.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Lars Porsena

    “As for me, I’ll save my sympathies for those who had to strap on real masks” blah blah blah

    That’s cowardice masquerading as stoicism. It’s one way that wimpy men rationalize their assent to tyranny.

    Real men say no when ordered to strap a diaper on their faces. But you, a coward, tell yourself, like a battered abused woman, “It’s not so bad, it could be worse, and maybe if I do what he says, his abuse will stop soon. I don’t want to make him angry.”

  203. @PiltdownMan
    I'm struck by how much the mortality rates vary, from country to country, even countries with similar levels of development.

    Singapore has had 27 deaths from about 56,000 cases in total. Belgium has had about 10,000 deaths from 85,000 cases in total.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @utu, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @epebble

    “I’m struck by how much the mortality rates vary, from country to country, even countries with similar levels of development.”

    That’s because C19 is a medical coding fiction/hoax.

  204. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    I haven’t seen anybody talk about this. People like Steve Sailer, Greg Cochran, etc… are right many times because they don’t use the mainstream media as their primary source. They tend to visit questionable corners of the internet to take the pulse of things. This usually puts them ahead of the curve.

    This virus thing was different. It was pumped up in those places. Anonymous dissident websites (like 4 Chan) were talking about it a month or more before the MSM was talking about it. I was stockpiling lysol, masks and vitamin C weeks before the media was even mentioning the virus.

    When the infotainment finally picked it up, it seemed like so many other things where the media was late to the game. It actually seemed like a confirmation of the seriousness of the virus because it fit the pattern so well.

    In hindsight, we were probably played. “They” have learned to hack our system and we have to be extra vigilant that they don’t play us like that again. The big question is who “they” were. Was it the US government or was it China?

    • Replies: @eD
    @Anon

    "The big question is who “they” were. Was it the US government or was it China?"

    Yep.

  205. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @BB753

    Question: Is there a method to determine if one is suffering from Covid-19 and not any of the other thousands of medical maladies including even Covid-(N, where N is NOT 19)?

    Replies: @BB753

    Not to my knowledge.

  206. @Thoughts
    @BB753

    Where did that come from?

    Humans think in 1's and 0's.

    1- Covid exists and we are all going to die!

    0- Covid doesn't exist and is made up by the government deep state


    It's very rare to run into humans who are able to hold 'The Middle Ground' in their brain

    The middle ground being that both sides are partially correct: Covid does exist and is a very bad flu with a higher-than-normal fatality rate. The deep-state saw this as an opportunity to further their plans, and control us 1984-style. Never let an opportunity go to waste.

    Replies: @BB753, @Hippopotamusdrome

    I never said that covid-19 wasn’t real. Just that your reaction wasn’t rational to be charitable.

  207. @anon
    @Corvinus

    Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it. If you have to wait 10 days, why bother. A positive test doesn't't mean you get out of the penalty box. Why? -- Because.

    Meanwhile, the reported death rate has been steady as you go, 1,000/day outf 50,000 positive for a reported case fatality rate of 2%. With a lag on the deaths of a couple of weeks.

    This statistic is highly biased with the denominator being way to low and the numerator too high.
    I'm sticking to my Bayesian estimate of 1/2 of 1% or .5%. For my prior, I'm using adjusted data from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship. That's what I started with and the additional data hasn't added much. With a CI of +/- .2%.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @John Johnson

    “Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it.”

    What are your sources?

    “Meanwhile, the reported death rate has been steady as you go, 1,000/day outf 50,000 positive for a reported case fatality rate of 2%. With a lag on the deaths of a couple of weeks. This statistic is highly biased with the denominator being way to low and the numerator too high.”

    On what specific basis is this statistic biased?

    “I’m sticking to my Bayesian estimate of 1/2 of 1% or .5%. For my prior, I’m using adjusted data from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship.”

    Are you in the medical and/or statistics field? How is this data more significant compared to other data?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Corvinus

    @Corvinus

    First, Somehow I intended to post a comment/observation and accidentally replied to you. Sorry for the confusion.

    The source is my observation from the WSJ graphs of the seven day moving averages of reported cases/deaths.

    The primary reason to post the observation is that despite all the problems with the data, the ratio has been surprisingly stable.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  208. The “Number of new cases” is an utterly meaningless datum without the accompanying “Number of new tests”

    I recall when the Sailer Boy was talking about the incidence of celebrities infected and actually mentioned that it might be related to the number being tested.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bill Jones

    Tests are not terribly limited at present, so if new tested cases are declining, that probably means new cases overall are declining too.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  209. @HammerJack
    RNC: Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden. And that's the Daily Mail.

    https://mol.im/a/8660381

    Replies: @Thoughts, @YetAnotherAnon, @Jonathan Mason

    Daily Mail comments running approximately 10 to 1 for Biden. And that’s the Daily Mail.

    I have been reading the Daily Mail almost daily in one form or another for well over 50 years, so I am somewhat familiar with that publication.

    The comments section appears to be run by bots, and often the exact same comment will be repeated many times. DM comments are a poor source of sentiment. On the other hand the reporting is often punchy and entertaining and it usually gets all the big stories. I just wish they could get rid of Piers Morgan.

    • Agree: JMcG
  210. @Jonathan Mason
    People say masks are not good, but in combination with social distancing, handwashing, temperature taking, lab testing, and quarantining they are probably of some value, if only because they act as a reminder to be alert at all times and cover your mouth when coughing.

    I agree that they are a damned nuisance to wear, and they often make my glasses steam up.

    It was brought to my attention just a few weeks ago that there are two very adjacent prisons in Florida, only 300-400 yards apart, where one prison had a terrible outbreak with over 1000 inmates testing positive, and the other did not have one single case. Not one case.

    So clearly the disease is not just wafting through the air like a miasma, and there must be ways of cutting the virus off from a supply of fresh lungs to infect, if only we could figure it out!

    “The rain it raineth on the just
    And also on the unjust fella;
    But chiefly on the just, because
    The unjust hath the just’s umbrella.”

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Brás Cubas

    People say masks are not good

    Well, I have pretty hard evidence that they do little to prevent contagion, but scientists believe (and I tend to agree) that, by filtering somehow the air that one breathes, they contribute to lower the viral load of infections, which in turn contributes to make the disease milder.

    I agree that they are a damned nuisance to wear, and they often make my glasses steam up.

    Try washing the lenses with neutral detergent, and then cleaning them with soft paper tissue *without* rinsing them first.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Brás Cubas



    by filtering somehow the air that one breathes, they contribute to lower the viral load of infections

     

    In order to filter something, does not the holes of the filter need to be smaller than the particles to be filtered?

    Anyway, if you are right, after a month of mandatory mask wearing, the virus will be eradicated and the crises will be over. I look forward to things going back to normal.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  211. @Bill Jones
    The "Number of new cases" is an utterly meaningless datum without the accompanying "Number of new tests"

    I recall when the Sailer Boy was talking about the incidence of celebrities infected and actually mentioned that it might be related to the number being tested.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Tests are not terribly limited at present, so if new tested cases are declining, that probably means new cases overall are declining too.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Steve Sailer

    The Hong Kong government is planning to launch widespread public testing next week. It's voluntary, but everybody is encouraged to 'participate'.

    A government spokesdrone yesterday noted that the goal is for 1-2 million people to be tested, with an expected result of discovering -- how many cases? 100K? 10K?

    No: they're expecting to find 'around 100 cases'.

    COVID-19 (at least here) is starting to look more and more like racism: there are just not enough cases to go around.

  212. @obwandiyag
    Absolute proof masks work very very well. By scientific experiment, not theorizing and generalizing and guessing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cTDGqcUpA

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @MB

    Um, can the Madison po-po get a warrant to find out if this dude and three of his friends have Hawaiian shirts in their closets?

  213. @Gregory
    My prediction is that if Biden wins, Coronavirus will essentially be done and out of the news after Nov. 3rd.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Travis, @Paul Jolliffe, @Anonymous, @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @Ron Mexico, @Ed

    Even if Trumps wins, it’ll be over as will the sheer madness of the media these past 4 years.

  214. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Clyde

    The search for the Fountain of Youth continues...

    Life is short. Period. Nothing you do will lengthen it to any significant degree. Enjoy it to the hilt or die trying. Or die for something you truly believe in.

    Perhaps the most important thing in life is to die happy. Whatever you can do to achieve that, do it.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Your reply is proof you need metformin in your diet. You want what you complacently diss. I would take it if I had access to it. I am half joking Buzz. But thanks because you just got me looking more into it.

    Here is metformin as a diabetes preventative. Maybe I can get it from my Doc this way — https://tinyurl.com/y29b9w4d _____ Metformin is an herbal derivative so this is nice. Meaning it is not one of your modern drugs which come 100% from a test tube. The kind you see on Fox News with the long disclaimer rattled off at warp speed.

  215. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Chrisnonymous

    "Who cares!" I understand your point, Chris. However, a few million bucks (maybe more than that), to do what, if nothing else, is decent scientific work on the spread of viruses beats the hell out of the Trillions, as Steve noted wryly, that has and is being lost via LOCKDOWNS of the economy. I could have told him that in March, not to mention telling people that the effect on Totalitarianism is much more important than even Trillions of $.

    Because people who really look at the death numbers, all death numbers, after the fact will see that this thing has been overblown to hell, "What is the real rate?" should be a question that scientists in the field should still want to know. Whatever, it's only an important question to eventually debunk the panickers.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I agree that it’s an important scientific question, worthy of study and funding, but it became unimportant as a political or public policy question months ago and isn’t worthy of being followed by the general public or most people outside the CDC and academia.

  216. @gabriel alberton
    @guest007

    I'm sure that if we had some other president our people would magically, even mysteriously alter their behavior so to spread the WuFlu less, or at least somehow die less from it.

    Also, it turns out it is possible to get reinfected, although the second infection might be asymptomatic even if the first was symptomatic. So this might not be a virus that benefits from antibody-dependent enhancement. God damn it, I was getting excited.

    Replies: @guest007

    If the U.S. had done as well as Canada, there would be around 80k Americans dead. If the U.S. had done as well as there would be about 40k dead. If the U.S. had done as well as Japan, there would be about 6k dead Americans.

    Yes, the U.S. could have done better but when disaster response takes on a partisan/culture war aspect, it was doomed to failure in the U.S.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @guest007

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/05/899365887/charts-how-the-u-s-ranks-on-covid-19-deaths-per-capita-and-by-case-count

  217. @Steve Richter
    @Clyde


    Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

     

    but if the human body wanted zinc to enter the cells wouldn't it produce its own ionophores to enable it to do so? Zinc is a good idea, in early stages off the disease, when the virus is replicating. But as a preventative, it sounds risky.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @travis, @NOTA

    Most people are eating Quercetin every day. Quercetin, which is considered as a health-promoting antioxidant, belongs to the broad flavonoids group. Numerous experimental studies have proved that quercetin and vitamin C provide anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties. It is a widely distributed plant flavonoid, found in several vegetables, fruits, leaves, seeds, and grains. Among vegetables and fruits, quercetin content is highest in onions.

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01451/full

    Quercetin also prevents other viral infections, like influenza and works well with vitamin C to improve our immune response. I have been taking Quercetin for 20 years, as it reduces lung inflamation and helps me control my asthma. Quercetin acutely relaxes airway smooth muscle and reduces inflamation in the lungs. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3763034/

  218. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @HA

    You are wise beyond comprehension. Your circumlocutions would mystify God Himself.

    Meanwhile, burn your face diaper and:

    Get Out Live Life!

    Replies: @HA

    “Get Out Live Life!”

    The paradoxical thing I’ve noticed about all the special little snowflakes around here is that the more unique and individualistic they fancy themselves to be, the more lemming-like they actually become.

    It turns out they had anti-mask demonstrations during the Spanish Flu, too. Were those the real heroes of the WWI era, or were they simply the early version of the same whiny, clueless idiots we see today?

    Do a search on “cholera riots”. I mean, how dare the government try and prevent people from dying of cholera! It’s an outrage I tell ya! It’s a conspiracy! We need to tar and feather a few of them, just to let them know we’re on to them. That’ll teach them!

    [MORE]

    In other words, no one who is protesting all this is engaged in anything new, and they’re not doing anything that public health officials who study this thing haven’t already read about many times over (even though it’s always a struggle figuring out how best to deal with it, and when to just give up and let the tantrum throwers win — I mean, speed limits used to be 55 for a while, but they could never make that work, so in the end they just gave up, and I’m not saying that won’t happen this time around).

    But while some of you keep fulminating about your “dignity” and “liberty” and “rights” and election results all the other things that a virus does not care about in the least (and while the rest of us just roll our eyes and keep on trying to make it through the day) those who are actually able to do the measurements and tally the results will keep trying to get the truth out of whether masks work. Maybe at the end of the day they’ll decide that they are more bother than they’re worth. I’m not saying it’s an easy call and it may never be settled science. We don’t just live in Semmelweiss’s world. Pareto is the real employee-of-the-week this time around. I mean, it turns out that the vast majority of the infecting comes from just a small subset of the infected. The same goes for the dying. Likewise, the vast majority of what we do to prevent and mitigate the virus is also probably pointless (and perhaps even counter-productive to some extent, as most health&safety measures are). But the rest — that little tail — DOES suffice to change the entire narrative, and that’s pretty clear to anyone who’s paying attention. Again, Pareto distributions at every stage of the game. And finding out what falls into the tail of the distribution isn’t easy.

    I don’t expect tantrum-throwing idiots to get that, as easy as it is. Viruses are complicated, and oftentimes hard to predict. Whereas stupidity (including my own, which I’ll admit makes for a large dataset) is pretty much a constant, and it is about as predictable and tiresome as can be.

  219. @Anonymous
    The entire affair is such an obvious hoax. It started from the very beginning.

    Remember the china videos in Jan? People dropping face first onto the street? TOTAL F*CKING NONSENSE. In hindsight it was foolish to consider any damn piece of data from china. The chicom regime is scum and they played us like a fiddle for the crucial early months.

    Now they're having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? "Sure why not, roundeye."

    This giant psy-op worked perfectly for Xi. Solved his enormous Hong Kong dilemma and dropped the entire western world economically to its knees.

    Some much corruption at the WHO FDA NIH CDC has been revealed. So much FAKE NEWS.

    It's a nursing home disease that bounces right off healthy people. The threat to general public is wildly exaggerated. The mask is slave training.

    REJECT THE CONDITIONING

    WALK PROUD WITHOUT A FACE DIAPER

    Get a grip and live life normally.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @peterike, @Kaz, @HA

    “Now they’re having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? “

    Seriously? Is whining about how the Chinese got it so good going to become a meme now, or is this just more PRC-funded trolling?

    I mean, talk about being careful what you wish for. We all got to enjoy the wonders of living in a country that isn’t able to  track citizens (not openly, anyway), and that has to haggle over constitutionally civil liberties clauses and that has open debate and “Facebook science”.

    In other words, some of the same people here who got exactly what they demanded are now complaining about how they’ve been played. Yeah, talk about nonsense.

    As it turns out, you get what you pay for (thanks so much, globalists!), and now, we all have to deal with the fallout one way or another. Preferably, more like adults and less like clueless idiots marvelling at how the Chinese kids (who had to deal with literally being welded shut inside their apartment blocks and being dragged out from their homes by men in hazmat suits into quarantine compounds) now get to go out and enjoy water parks (though I’m guessing the ongoing temperature checks, and contact tracing that Americans would be up-in-arms over if it were applied here somehow didn’t make it into that crowded and wet photo op).

    I mean, if that’s what you’re jealous over, go for it. But again, be careful what you wish for.

    That’s the other thing about bratty little tantrum-throwing snowflakes. They’re always crying about how good everyone has it and how life just isn’t fair.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @HA

    This doesn't make any sense. The purported "being played" being complained about is something that purportedly happened to the experts as well as the public and via news coverage and mediated partly by organizations like WHO and CDC, not something that happened because of civil liberties and open debate. The purported "being played" would not have been reduced in any way by having a more technocratic society. You're mixing your interpretation of reality with the commenter's to create a hybrid the commenter did not claim. In a world in which COVID is not a serious issue, Chinese water park fun is a legitimate indictment of overreacting western governments. Only in a world in which COVID is a serious issue that the Chinese actually solved through totalitarian controls is Chicomm water fun not an indictment of us. Which world do we live in or is it another?

    I tend not to believe in "psy op" conspiracy theories, although I have to say things seem to be working out well for Xi so far. Also, if I were going to release a virus in Europe with the intention of creating havoc, I would pick Italy, the country whose people are famous for their over-the-top operatic theatrical emotional reactions!

    Replies: @HA

  220. @HA
    All you posers crying about having to wear masks need to step back to the source if you want to stop the nanny-state from taking us over.

    When Ignaz Semmelweiss -- the real culprit in this long, doomed-to-fail runaround against Darwinian survival of the immunologically-fittest -- started up with his crazy notion that doctors should WASH THEIR HANDS, the medical establishment was outraged. How dare this upstart propagate the crazy notion that doctors -- and human beings in general -- are not just unclean, but veritable cesspools of contamination and disease. It's dehumanizing. It's monstrous. It's bad for business and will cause people to mistrust doctors and hospitals. It will cause endless neuroses among the psychologically frail. It's expensive and uncomfortable (not to mention unhealthy) to repeatedly keep washing hands with potentially toxic substances. The man ought to be committed.

    And sure enough, his detractors were correct about all those things -- including, eventually, the last one, though to be fair, it turned Semmelweiss, with his eggheaded facts and tables, was even MORE correct.

    But that's not the point. The point is that Semmelweiss is the ENEMY who really got the germophobia ball rolling, though, come to think of it, I guess the Rockefeller Foundation's efforts to make more effective factory drones (by getting Southerners to obsess about their hookworm-infested outhouses, even though they had done just fine up till then, thank you very much) was also instrumental in allowing the hygeine Nazis to have their way with us. Thanks a lot, Mr. Rockefeller, for spreading the Yankee-inspired bigotry that Southerners are slow, dim-witted yokels full of parasites. Driving old Dixie down, yet again.

    It's time we put their tyranny to an end. I mean, really, what does it matter if a couple thousand more women and babies die in childbirth every year, in a world of 7 billion people? It's hardly a rounding error, I tell ya! Is that really a cause for overloading already-overstressed obstetricians and maternity-ward nurses with incessant handwashing? What about the billions spent on sanitization aequipment and all the countless man-hours lost in rinsing and repeating? And what does it matter if a few million more children grow up stunted and stupid because of hookworm-related anemia? For that matter, what does it matter if a few more people die in traffic accidents because they're not wearing seat-belts? Is this any reason for the nanny state to cramp our style? Is the refusal to wear a shirt and shoes (or pants, for that matter) really a good excuse to deny someone entry into a McDonalds? No, I tell ya -- it's all a plot by the POWERS THAT BE to dehumanize us and make us conform.

    You fragile little snowflakes crying about having to wear a mask at Walmart make me sick (pun intended). That's nothing. When they took away seatbelts, they robbed us of the all-American ideal that was the freedom of the road, and it was FOREVER, not for the duration of some pandemic. And they just kept piling on -- later, it was shoulder belts, air bags, that annoying beep you hear until you finally give in and buckle up. Even when it turned out that little kids were GETTING DECAPITATED by air bags, you think the health komissars might have wanted to reconsider just a little bit? No! Not for a moment, They just told us we'd have to put Junior in the back seat and just deal with it. I kid you not. Now THAT is some hard core nanny-state action. And don't even get me started on second-hand smoke. And you're whining about having to wear a mask? Give me a break.

    If you're going to cry about that, go back to the source and demand that we burn Dr Semmelweiss in effigy, the one who got this whole hysteria started. A true-to-life Emmanuel Goldstein, I say. And that's not all: Unstrap those seatbelts. Take a dump -- in fact, do it in the street like a real man after Diogenes' own heart -- and don't you dare wash your hands. In fact, don't even bother with toilet paper -- our ancestors didn't have that, either, and they turned out fine, didn't they? You were given two hands, after all, and that's what the left one is for. So let's all go back to having stunted anemic Third-world levels of disease and filth and traffic death, the way our ancestors did, because THAT, my friends, is true freedom and true liberty (and a whole lot less auto-immune diseases all around -- look up 'hygiene hypothesis' -- so it's a win-win).

    You think every single Third-world immigrant who serves you tacos washes his hands thoroughly every single time he takes a leak? Dream on, sucker. And you haven't died yet, have you? So stop trying to have it both ways. If you're going to complain about a little strip of fabric, start noticing all the other ways the nanny state has boxed you in. Take those shirts and shoes off (and pants, too, don't forget the pants) and DEMAND that they serve you a burger. Do it today -- come on, who's with me? (I mean, you'll have to go first, of course -- someone has to stay back and "strategize". And if it works out, don't you dare forget to credit me. If it doesn't, well, you know what they say about snitches.)

    Remember, blame it all on Semmelweiss. Pasteur, too, while we're at it. Sure, maybe a sizable fraction of us would be dead by now if doctors had kept on ignoring people like that, but so what? Masks cramp our style, and in the end, that's what's really important.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Lars Porsena, @Bill P, @Chrisnonymous

    All safety/freedom trade-offs have to go through periods of political struggle before society settles on what it’s comfortable with. The “masks are too much” side seem to have some legitimate beefs. Suggesting that freedom-over-safety is automatically wrong because you can cite examples of safety-over-freedom that people are comfortable with is a non-sequitur.

    We can play the same game from the other side too. No doubt* universal masking would have been saving lives lost due to influenza deaths in past years. Where were you demanding that we mask up come flu season? And why are people in nursing homes allowed to have visitors between autumn and spring? And why aren’t we irradiating every leaf of every head of lettuce sold in a supermarket to prevent E.coli deaths?

    This is stupid stuff. Even in hospitals, protocols are submitted to cost-benefit analysis. Your silly perspective adds nothing to a debate about not only masks but public health measures in general in an age of increased pandemic risk.

    *I am agreeing for the sake of argument that masks are actually effective, although how effective and under what circumstances is actually an open question.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Chrisnonymous

    "All safety/freedom trade-offs have to go through periods of political struggle before society settles on what it’s comfortable with. The “masks are too much” side seem to have some legitimate beefs."

    Which is why they should spend less time acting like bratty six-year-olds, or worse yet, trying to convince me, in all seriousness, that masks are worse than seat belts -- even though, to repeat, the latter were imposed on us inside our own personally purchased vehicles, and were imposed once and for all with no expiration date, and were followed up with shoulder belts, and child-decapitating air bags in short order. That kind of an argument is not "political struggle". Don't flatter yourself. That's a little fragile snowflake trying to convince his pain is so much worse than his older brothers' and sisters' pain ever was, and life is so unfair.

    So, of course I'm going to take a dig at that. It's just too absurd not to.

    "Where were you demanding that we mask up come flu season?"

    Again, I have no problem picking fights with little brats throwing tantrums who refuse to recognize that a mask is, in the grand scheme of things, not nearly as bad as all the other stuff we've been conditioned to do from birth without a whimper of protest. However, making light of people like that should not be misconstrued as an unqualified endorsement of lockdowns in general. On that, I'm generally agnostic, and there's far too many dark plot twists on both sides of that issue for me to take a side (e.g., the parasite/hygiene language that was eventually incorporated by eugenicists, Communists and Nazis in deciding with "parasitic" groups societies needed to eliminate -- and spoiler alert: it did not end well).

    In any case, I'll let those who actually know what they're doing make the measurements and issue their recommendations (again, this doesn't include bratty little children demanding I know how bad they feel about having to wear a mask). So long as they keep the research public and open to debate, I suspect we'll hash it out one way or another. If that means masking up when I visit a nursing home, I'll deal with it somehow without being reduced to whimpering infantilism.

    In other words, I'm not the doomer around here. It's the ones who scream about how COVID has caused everyone to become hysterical while they themselves are issuing dark apocalyptic warnings about how this is all some pretense to lock us down forever, about how Bill Gates is trying to inject us with nanobots, or else how there's no hope of any vaccine for a coronavirus. (And I can find you examples of all those on this site.) So yeah, the hypocrisy of people like that is also good for a chuckle.

    Replies: @Clyde

  221. @guest007
    @gabriel alberton

    If the U.S. had done as well as Canada, there would be around 80k Americans dead. If the U.S. had done as well as there would be about 40k dead. If the U.S. had done as well as Japan, there would be about 6k dead Americans.

    Yes, the U.S. could have done better but when disaster response takes on a partisan/culture war aspect, it was doomed to failure in the U.S.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  222. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AKAHorace

    First of all, Horace, that writing about the beaches and the telephoto effect was well after the first 2 months of this. I should be more clear though, that I'm talking about the big picture, the narrative. Yes, Mr. Sailer questioned plenty of the details about mask wearing, who's got all the masks, why we can't get more, what about N95 ones, where the sources of the drugs are, why the press is badmouthing this or that treatment, are we gonna flatten the curve (remember that?), what's the deal with the ventilators, how the celebrities are handling this, and so on ... I remember all this till I started getting tired of it all.

    It's the big picture, though. The Infotainment narrative that this, just another virus from the Orient, is akin to Black Plague 2.0 and is therefore obviously the biggest story to be told and discussed 24/7 by talking heads is something Mr. Sailer seems to have been down with.... till when, I don't know exactly, now?

    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven't been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don't use) for well over 20 years now. I am never in front of the TV*. 2 summers ago, at a friend's brother's house, Fox News was on, and I stayed in this sunroom of sorts to be sociable. Holy cow! I had no idea that the asinine Russia collusion story was still on. I knew NOTHING of the details the talking heads were going on about (on Trump's side, I think). From what I read on the web, this story went on another year or more. Well I had no idea, because if you don't spend time in front of the idiot plate, you don't get the impression that some 2-year-long(at the time) story is even worth thinking about. Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the '16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about.

    Now, this Kung Flu infotainment has been a boon to the Lyin' Press like nothing in my lifetime, or since the Nixon impeachment (too young to care). Because I don't spend any time in front of the idiot plate, I still had/have my perspective regarding these occasional bad virus strains too.

    I'm sorry, Steve. You're still my favorite blogger around. Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus. I know you are always searching for the truth though, and I think you are getting lots closer to it on this topic.


    .

    * Scarlet Number, go ahead and hit the TROLL button now. I know it hurts you so much that not everyone watches TV. Do it. I know you wanna.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ben tillman, @Corvinus, @Clyde

    You have a valid point. I too stopped watching TV years ago (although now I’m married, I’m doing it again in Japan because of my wife). I was obsessed with Russian collusion but only because my co-workers, who all watch cable talking heads like Rachel Maddow, kept making it sound like the thing was about to be proved. If not for them, I too would have just thought it was a dumb idea I didn’t need to pay attention to–thanks to simply ignoring the TV and the MSM.

    On the other hand, in Sailer’s defense, the early-days news on 2019-CoV pneumonia in China made it seem like it was going to be a much bigger deal than it is. And I don’t just mean TV news, but actual reports. Enhanced by the fact that the Chinese gov’t’s lack of transparency raised lots of questions we couldn’t answer. It really is possible for a pandemic to be worthy of the attention this one’s gotten.

  223. @anon
    @Corvinus

    Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it. If you have to wait 10 days, why bother. A positive test doesn't't mean you get out of the penalty box. Why? -- Because.

    Meanwhile, the reported death rate has been steady as you go, 1,000/day outf 50,000 positive for a reported case fatality rate of 2%. With a lag on the deaths of a couple of weeks.

    This statistic is highly biased with the denominator being way to low and the numerator too high.
    I'm sticking to my Bayesian estimate of 1/2 of 1% or .5%. For my prior, I'm using adjusted data from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship. That's what I started with and the additional data hasn't added much. With a CI of +/- .2%.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @John Johnson

    Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it. If you have to wait 10 days, why bother. A positive test doesn’t mean you get out of the penalty box. Why? — Because.

    There are also people that don’t get tested because they don’t want to miss work.

    If they don’t have symptoms then they don’t want to quarantine.

    There was also a major lack of tests early on. They would come up with excuses to send people home without a test. My wife knew a medical worker that was turned down. She was told that a cough and fever wasn’t enough and to go home for a while. This is while the local Dem government official was telling us on tv that anyone can get tested.

  224. @HA
    @Anonymous

    "Now they’re having massive water park concerts in Wuhan!? "

    Seriously? Is whining about how the Chinese got it so good going to become a meme now, or is this just more PRC-funded trolling?

    I mean, talk about being careful what you wish for. We all got to enjoy the wonders of living in a country that isn't able to  track citizens (not openly, anyway), and that has to haggle over constitutionally civil liberties clauses and that has open debate and "Facebook science".

    In other words, some of the same people here who got exactly what they demanded are now complaining about how they've been played. Yeah, talk about nonsense.

    As it turns out, you get what you pay for (thanks so much, globalists!), and now, we all have to deal with the fallout one way or another. Preferably, more like adults and less like clueless idiots marvelling at how the Chinese kids (who had to deal with literally being welded shut inside their apartment blocks and being dragged out from their homes by men in hazmat suits into quarantine compounds) now get to go out and enjoy water parks (though I'm guessing the ongoing temperature checks, and contact tracing that Americans would be up-in-arms over if it were applied here somehow didn't make it into that crowded and wet photo op).

    I mean, if that's what you're jealous over, go for it. But again, be careful what you wish for.

    That's the other thing about bratty little tantrum-throwing snowflakes. They're always crying about how good everyone has it and how life just isn't fair.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    This doesn’t make any sense. The purported “being played” being complained about is something that purportedly happened to the experts as well as the public and via news coverage and mediated partly by organizations like WHO and CDC, not something that happened because of civil liberties and open debate. The purported “being played” would not have been reduced in any way by having a more technocratic society. You’re mixing your interpretation of reality with the commenter’s to create a hybrid the commenter did not claim. In a world in which COVID is not a serious issue, Chinese water park fun is a legitimate indictment of overreacting western governments. Only in a world in which COVID is a serious issue that the Chinese actually solved through totalitarian controls is Chicomm water fun not an indictment of us. Which world do we live in or is it another?

    I tend not to believe in “psy op” conspiracy theories, although I have to say things seem to be working out well for Xi so far. Also, if I were going to release a virus in Europe with the intention of creating havoc, I would pick Italy, the country whose people are famous for their over-the-top operatic theatrical emotional reactions!

    • Replies: @HA
    @Chrisnonymous

    "In a world in which COVID is not a serious issue, Chinese water park fun is a legitimate indictment of overreacting western governments. Only in a world in which COVID is a serious issue that the Chinese actually solved through totalitarian controls is Chicomm water fun not an indictment of us. Which world do we live in or is it another?"

    I reject your false dichotomies. What IS an indictment of (some of) us is pretending that we're too libertarian to ever allow ourselves to be tracked/traced by our government, we're too libertarian to suffer the indignities of mask-wearing or social distancing, etc. AND THEN crying about how people who DO have to suffer all those indignities might actually see some payoff and benefit that we've inadvertently lost out on.

    To the extent we chose to play a stupid game, the stupid prize we're left with is one we deserve. It's not the only way to lay out the problem. What we gained by not suffering those idignities may have some even greater payoff in the end that the Chinese will rue. Time will tell.

    "I tend not to believe in “psy op” conspiracy theories.... Also, if I were going to release a virus in Europe with the intention of creating havoc, I would pick Italy,"

    Yeah, sure. What better way to convince us that you "tend not to believe" in conspiracy theories than by writing something like that? See my previous comment about who the real doomers and hysterics are around here (hint: it isn't the ones worrying about the virus).

  225. anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @anon

    "Testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage to it."

    What are your sources?

    "Meanwhile, the reported death rate has been steady as you go, 1,000/day outf 50,000 positive for a reported case fatality rate of 2%. With a lag on the deaths of a couple of weeks. This statistic is highly biased with the denominator being way to low and the numerator too high."

    On what specific basis is this statistic biased?

    "I’m sticking to my Bayesian estimate of 1/2 of 1% or .5%. For my prior, I’m using adjusted data from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship."

    Are you in the medical and/or statistics field? How is this data more significant compared to other data?

    Replies: @anon

    First, Somehow I intended to post a comment/observation and accidentally replied to you. Sorry for the confusion.

    The source is my observation from the WSJ graphs of the seven day moving averages of reported cases/deaths.

    The primary reason to post the observation is that despite all the problems with the data, the ratio has been surprisingly stable.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    "The source is my observation from the WSJ graphs of the seven day moving averages of reported cases/deaths."

    You are not a source. Moreover, you admit you are drawing your own conclusion from the data. So, I will ask again--how do you know for certain testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage of it? A source like citizen interviews or a survey that provides information to support your claim would be sufficient.

    "The primary reason to post the observation is that despite all the problems with the data, the ratio has been surprisingly stable."

    What problems with the data are you referring to?

  226. @PiltdownMan
    I'm struck by how much the mortality rates vary, from country to country, even countries with similar levels of development.

    Singapore has had 27 deaths from about 56,000 cases in total. Belgium has had about 10,000 deaths from 85,000 cases in total.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @utu, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @epebble

    Not just Singapore; Look at this strangeness:

    deaths
    Mongolia 0
    Cambodia 0
    Laos 0
    Myanmar 6
    Vietnam 27
    Taiwan 7
    Sri Lanka 12
    Thailand 58
    Malaysia 125

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @epebble

    “ Not just Singapore; Look at this strangeness:

    deaths
    Mongolia 0
    Cambodia 0
    Laos 0
    Myanmar 6
    Vietnam 27
    Taiwan 7
    Sri Lanka 12
    Thailand 58
    Malaysia 125”

    Check their HCQ usage.

  227. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    I Didn’t have any coughing either. Just the sore throat. Only on one of my tonsils, but it was pretty bad. Then the nausea and vomiting. Exercise made it worse, sleeping and eating made it better. After a week I felt better, after 2 I was back to normal. I never get the flu, last time I had it was probably 8 years ago. I didn’t get tested for covid or stop going to work, I don’t have health insurance and I sort of just don’t really care that much. Sorry if that offends anyone here. I’m guessing I had covid because that’s what’s going around. But it could have been mono, I had all the symptoms of mono.

  228. @Paleo Liberal
    I am concerned about Madison, WI in the fall and winter. My wife and one of my kids are health care workers here.

    Big university here. I don’t think the university did a very good job of preparing for opening. The county has some restrictions, but students tend to ignore those.

    Wisconsin is one of the biggest party schools in the country. You would be amazed as to how many students drink themselves out of college. That is why they have automatic admission to their flagship university for any student who can complete two years at either a community college or any other campus in the university with a decent GPA. Those more serious students replace the freshmen and sophomores who drank themselves out of college.

    At some point in the fall the parties will all move indoors, due to the weather. They might move indoors earlier to avoid detection.

    In short, heavy partiers and poor planning make for a dangerous combination.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Achmed E. Newman, @epebble, @anon, @Testing12

    If covid were actually a dangerous threat, your concern might be warranted. Fortunately, it’s not. You should be far more worried about other things in our country these days.

  229. @HA
    @Lars Porsena

    "At least you’re admitting you’re afraid of germs and just want everyone in masks and gloves all the time anyway."

    I certainly have no problem with everyone washing hands, despite the billions of dollars spent making it happen (to sometimes dubious effect). I also have no problem with people strapping on their safety belts either -- somehow we've managed, as a species, to survive even that spasm of nanny-state excess. The fact that I hear this outcry against masks, but not a 'rebbit' against all the rest of the stuff you all tolerate without a second thought (as the water temperature is slowly increased to boiling), just indicates that, like all snowflakes, the ones we're seeing these days are simply insisting that everyone must acknowledge that their pain and their microagressions are so much worse than those others had to endure, regardless of whether that's true. (And in this case, it's really not.)

    As for me, I'll save my sympathies for those who had to strap on real masks when they were cowering underground during the Blitz and at Dresden (even though I doubt those masks saved more than a few given what they were up against). I'll need to find a much smaller violin if I'm to even try to give you the validation you seem to think you're entitled to.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Lars Porsena

    I have no idea what validation you seem to think I’m seeking. I don’t want any. I’m just commenting on how you’ve all gone moral therapeutic nutso and are turning the world in Demolition Man.

    But it’s not because of Corona, which you at least are more upfront about. This Corona response is part of a social trend that goes far beyond the flu and mask wearing. You seemed to have missed that part of my observation, and probably also the film. The real disease is something else and corona is a symptom.

    Your ‘in for penny, in for a pound’ reasoning is, as far as I can tell, basically true. Personally I don’t wear seatbelts when I’m driving. I don’t go along with any of it. But it is all of a part, so having donned a mask, you will eventually be washing your ass with seashells and replacing sex with VR porn, letting your ipad drive your car for you, replacing your cops with a national Time Out Program for everyone, avoiding all human contact, letting Stuart Smalley dictate the limits of appropriate speech and practicing your daily affirmations. Maybe also wearing kleenex boxes on your feet.

    Anyway, Sylvester Stallone’s character was the hollywood fantasy part. You can only catch him in the happy little stupid movie. Wesley Snipes is real, and he is fantastic.

    Stallone’s character requires cryostasis to explain, how could he even be there otherwise? Snipe’s character doesn’t. The world and the premise require Snipe’s stasis, not Snipes. How could the world even be there otherwise?

    If it ever comes down to the pretense of the movie in real life, Stallone, if he even existed, would not be willing to murder endless piles of naive dorks so he would end up being put back into cryostasis by them for swearing too much and scaring the normies. Then they would thaw out Stuart Smalley to go after Snipes and then Snipes would kill everyone, reform the world and become the next Khan, fathering a million nations and bringing the buffalo back to the plains.

    If there is any validation to be had, that will be validation. Buffalo in Illinois, lock the front door, oh boy!

    And if it is within my power, I will spare you, but only on the condition that I will sit indian style on your back and ride you around like a donkey, and you will call me Pasha, and perform blackface minstrel dances when I am bored and clap my hands twice.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Lars Porsena

    "I’m just commenting on how you’ve all gone moral therapeutic nutso and are turning the world in Demolition Man....But it is all of a part, so having donned a mask, you will eventually be washing your ass with seashells and replacing sex with VR porn, letting your ipad drive your car for you, replacing your cops with a national Time Out Program for everyone, avoiding all human contact, letting Stuart Smalley dictate the limits of appropriate speech and practicing your daily affirmations. Maybe also wearing kleenex boxes on your feet."

    If you want to be taken seriously in life, maybe you should stop treating Sylvesteter Stallone and Wesley Snipe movies as some kind of sacred prophecy.

    Until then, you're not in any position to be calling anyone else 'nutso'.

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

  230. @Thoughts
    Well Steve, I the 'get the flu 2-4 times a year' person caught either the Flu or Covid.

    I intend to get an antibody test, but by the time I was sick, I was far too sick to go to the hospital (and they would probably try killing me anyways...I'm in a non-hydroxychloroquine area)

    Here is my Possibly Covid Diary:

    Monday---Stomach ache...burning in stomach....internal organs hurt...Very stressed that there's something seriously wrong with stomach (pre-existing condition exists)
    Tuesday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out being in shape...go to gym
    Wednesday- Stomach ache...definitely something wrong in stomach...super bloated...internal organs Really Hurt...Start doing google searches on Ulcers
    Thursday - Decide if I'm dying, I'm going to go out with a fight....Go to gym...15 minutes in sauna despite 95+ heat outside...people in Gym look at me like I'm insane to be in the sauna....Feel better...although unusually tired
    Friday- Insane Flatulence...Insane Flatulence....Can't remember the day...Start doing more google searches on Stomach and Internal Organ Issues....Think I'm dying of Stomach Cancer

    Midnight Friday --- Weird sore throat....
    3AM Saturday - Wake up coughing and screaming
    5AM - Email everyone to clear schedule as I'm really sick

    Next 24 hours pure Hell --- Stomach Hurts, Insane Runny Nose, a Strep-Throat Worthy Sore Throat so bad I couldn't even attempt to swallow and sat in the bathroom spitting in the sink

    Midnight Saturday: But here's the kicker...When I thought I was going to cough up "Phlegm" I ended up Vomiting Buckets of Stomach Acid....My significant other began to get very frightened. Mentioned Hospital...I flipped them off...

    Sunday Morning: Sore Throat Mercifully has left...Thank God...would have died...

    Sunday- Symptoms begin to disappear and are replaced by a Fever
    Sunday night- Couldn't sleep in bed because I was too hot and woke up screaming -- slept downstairs by cold window

    Monday early morning - Fever broke

    I think it's interesting that This Virus 'Knew' I had a pre-existing stomach condition and Just Went Right There....

    It seems to have totally (almost) skipped my lungs and gone straight to the pre-existing condition.

    I hate it when Virus' 'Know'

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @obwandiyag, @nixxer, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat, @Buffalo Joe, @BB753, @Kyle, @Adam Smith

    With all your gastro symptoms have you considered human enteric coronavirus 4408 or bovine corona virus?

    You say you get the flu 2-4 times each year… Sorry to hear that.
    Out of curiosity, how often do you vaccinate?

    I hope you feel better soon.

  231. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AKAHorace

    First of all, Horace, that writing about the beaches and the telephoto effect was well after the first 2 months of this. I should be more clear though, that I'm talking about the big picture, the narrative. Yes, Mr. Sailer questioned plenty of the details about mask wearing, who's got all the masks, why we can't get more, what about N95 ones, where the sources of the drugs are, why the press is badmouthing this or that treatment, are we gonna flatten the curve (remember that?), what's the deal with the ventilators, how the celebrities are handling this, and so on ... I remember all this till I started getting tired of it all.

    It's the big picture, though. The Infotainment narrative that this, just another virus from the Orient, is akin to Black Plague 2.0 and is therefore obviously the biggest story to be told and discussed 24/7 by talking heads is something Mr. Sailer seems to have been down with.... till when, I don't know exactly, now?

    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven't been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don't use) for well over 20 years now. I am never in front of the TV*. 2 summers ago, at a friend's brother's house, Fox News was on, and I stayed in this sunroom of sorts to be sociable. Holy cow! I had no idea that the asinine Russia collusion story was still on. I knew NOTHING of the details the talking heads were going on about (on Trump's side, I think). From what I read on the web, this story went on another year or more. Well I had no idea, because if you don't spend time in front of the idiot plate, you don't get the impression that some 2-year-long(at the time) story is even worth thinking about. Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the '16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about.

    Now, this Kung Flu infotainment has been a boon to the Lyin' Press like nothing in my lifetime, or since the Nixon impeachment (too young to care). Because I don't spend any time in front of the idiot plate, I still had/have my perspective regarding these occasional bad virus strains too.

    I'm sorry, Steve. You're still my favorite blogger around. Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus. I know you are always searching for the truth though, and I think you are getting lots closer to it on this topic.


    .

    * Scarlet Number, go ahead and hit the TROLL button now. I know it hurts you so much that not everyone watches TV. Do it. I know you wanna.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ben tillman, @Corvinus, @Clyde

    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven’t been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don’t use) for well over 20 years now.

    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @ben tillman

    Let's see, Ben. I'd seen pictures of the guy on the internet and maybe seem a few clips with him in them before the election. During those 8 years, if there were a way to prove it, I would bet you that I heard his voice, on a TV in passing, probably less than 25 times. So I'll see you 25 presidential Øb☭ma's and raise you "probably only hear the First Wookie's voice" 5 times in my life (5 times too many.)

    , @kaganovitch
    @ben tillman

    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    Wow, that is hardcore.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Clyde
    @ben tillman

    Hardcore! kaganovitch also said....... I grew to despise Obama's voice and muted it. Same with Bill Clinton, two such obvious liars. Libs feel the same about Trump.

  232. @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman


    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven’t been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don’t use) for well over 20 years now.
     
    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @kaganovitch, @Clyde

    Let’s see, Ben. I’d seen pictures of the guy on the internet and maybe seem a few clips with him in them before the election. During those 8 years, if there were a way to prove it, I would bet you that I heard his voice, on a TV in passing, probably less than 25 times. So I’ll see you 25 presidential Øb☭ma’s and raise you “probably only hear the First Wookie’s voice” 5 times in my life (5 times too many.)

  233. @Tulip
    The Corona Virus will announce a 5 to 1 split on August 31, and case numbers will rise 20% from their July peak.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks for the tip, Tulip! Should I get futures or put options…

    … and, what the hell are those, BTW?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Keep it at a macro level and buy CDSs on the USA via Goldman Sachs. You can’t go wrong when you take the opposite side of their muppets clients’ trades.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  234. @Achmed E. Newman
    Nobody wants to hear about your lousy -37%, Steve ... at least those who have a lot invested in the continuation of Season 2 of this Kung Flu Panic-fest don't. That would include the whole of the Infotainment industry, who've had the time of their lives over the last 6 months with this, high government officials of all kind who've got to exercise those emergency powers any damn way they please ("Whaaa? Governor Whitner is closing the beaches on the lakes!? I'm closing the boat ramps AND beaches the beaches! It's good to be Governor!"), and "experts" far and wide with conflicting and ever-changing advice - got to keep up!

    This thing has gone too far, destroyed too many small businesses, put too many young people into hopeless and government dependency mode, and put too many people into a state of permanent hysteria, to back off on now. Nobody wants to hear that this was all for nothing.

    LOCK-DOWNED AMERICA STRONG!

    I've had 10 "Scenes from the Kung Flu Summer re-Panic" posts written already*, and really had other things to write about, but then had this Karen/Becky (not sure which one, but the one without the perky butt) running on a treadmill WITH a cloth mask telling me I needed to put on a mask while working out on an exercise bike 12 ft away! - So, Part 11.

    .


    I've about had it with this shit, and how about a quick apology, Steve, for going on and on about this for 2 solid months in the Spring? That did not help at all.


    * See Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9, and Part 10.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @76239

    Right on!

  235. @YetAnotherAnon
    @The Alarmist

    "So what?"


    I was making a point about naturists rather than about Covid, in that there seems to have been rather close contact between holidaymakers.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    As if that’s a bad thing 😉

  236. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Tulip

    Thanks for the tip, Tulip! Should I get futures or put options...

    ... and, what the hell are those, BTW?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Keep it at a macro level and buy CDSs on the USA via Goldman Sachs. You can’t go wrong when you take the opposite side of their muppets clients’ trades.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    You lost me at "macro level".

    ;-}

  237. @AKAHorace
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sailer was one of the first to say that worrying about outdoor activities like beach parties was a waste of time. He was also one of the first to realize that mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown. I think that his take was pretty good compared to those who first ignored and then panicked about COVID.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kratoklastes

    mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown


    Let’s wear masks as an alnernative to lockdown…Lockdown stays, now have lockdown+masks

    Let’s get a (mandatory) vaccine every other month as an alternative to lockdown and masks…Lockdown and masks stays, now have lockdown+masks+vaccine

  238. @JohnPlywood
    @JohnPlywood

    @HammerJack

    Lol @ placing a "troll" tag on a post that contained nothing but quotations of facts.


    Just goes to show how desperate you fools are to keep your failed narrative alive.

    Just face it, the shutdown accomplished more for white America, or rather white males, than Donald Trump could do with an 8 year tour of duty. The Republican party has been exposed for the illegal alien jobs corp and cuck factory that it is.


    Now even Richard Spencer is joining my lead in the endorsement of Joe Biden.




    The Covid-19 lockdown has restored the Old America in a way that decades of political action never could. The free market revealed itself as the true enemy, and we are now all the wiser for it.

    Replies: @anon

    Covid has been the best anti-immigration agent so far. Net migration for 2020 is almost zero and will be negligible for 2021. It has become the immigration moratorium everyone aspired for but no one knew how to enact or enforce.

    • Thanks: JohnPlywood
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @anon

    Yet these Trumpy-Trumpy-stan-stan-stan idiots want the lockdown lifted. Anyone on the right complaining about the lockdown is either a paid troll or a genuine retard, unless they owned a business that went under (in which case, they are simply selfish assholes).

  239. @Thoughts
    @BB753

    Where did that come from?

    Humans think in 1's and 0's.

    1- Covid exists and we are all going to die!

    0- Covid doesn't exist and is made up by the government deep state


    It's very rare to run into humans who are able to hold 'The Middle Ground' in their brain

    The middle ground being that both sides are partially correct: Covid does exist and is a very bad flu with a higher-than-normal fatality rate. The deep-state saw this as an opportunity to further their plans, and control us 1984-style. Never let an opportunity go to waste.

    Replies: @BB753, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Covid does exist and is a very bad flu with a higher-than-normal fatality rate

    Correction: Covid does exist and is a weak flu with a lower-than-normal fatality rate.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

    Differences

    Flu

    Young children are at higher risk of severe illness from flu.

    Covid doesn’t kill the young, and seems to stick to nursing homes where life expectancy is measured in months.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "Covid doesn’t kill the young"

    Try again.

    https://khn.org/news/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-killed-by-covid-19/

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/florida-coronavirus-child-death/index.html

    "and seems to stick to nursing homes where life expectancy is measured in months".

    Yet it spreads in other populations.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-campuses-face-explosion-covid-19-cases-challenges-get-students-n1238053

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  240. @Anon
    I haven't seen anybody talk about this. People like Steve Sailer, Greg Cochran, etc... are right many times because they don't use the mainstream media as their primary source. They tend to visit questionable corners of the internet to take the pulse of things. This usually puts them ahead of the curve.

    This virus thing was different. It was pumped up in those places. Anonymous dissident websites (like 4 Chan) were talking about it a month or more before the MSM was talking about it. I was stockpiling lysol, masks and vitamin C weeks before the media was even mentioning the virus.

    When the infotainment finally picked it up, it seemed like so many other things where the media was late to the game. It actually seemed like a confirmation of the seriousness of the virus because it fit the pattern so well.

    In hindsight, we were probably played. "They" have learned to hack our system and we have to be extra vigilant that they don't play us like that again. The big question is who "they" were. Was it the US government or was it China?

    Replies: @eD

    “The big question is who “they” were. Was it the US government or was it China?”

    Yep.

  241. @HA
    @Bill P

    "You wear the mask, you stay inside, and you keep your kids locked in the fallout shelter."

    Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you. Until then, don't pretend you're not one of those hermetically sealed Chicken-Littles you're railing against, bubble boy. We're all living in Semelweiss's world. Some of us are just too hypocritical to admit it.

    Man, it must really be lame to be an epidemiologist -- the better you are at your job, the more millions of angry Fox Butterfield clones you run into, all of them screaming "Why are we wasting all this effort on disease prevention given that so few people are dying?"

    If the answer is that we do it so as to better protect all the geniuses who ask questions like that, then it must lead to some serious soul-searching.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you.

    What about hijabs?
    2017–2019 Iranian protests against compulsory hijab

    Should we do goggles too? Your virus laden eye-juice could kill granma, doncha know.
    Dr. Fauci: Wear goggles or eye shields to prevent spread of COVID-19

    • Replies: @HA
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "What about hijabs?"

    Now I think you're just trolling. But on the off chance you're not, at some point, given the advances in designer DNA, we may yet see a virus attack that requires a hazmat suit to go outside, according to people like Fauci. I'm not looking forward to that, but if it does come, I will strap a suit on with the rest of those who might have need of me (and vice versa). And if a store requires me to have one on in order to protect those working inside, I will either suit up, or go somewhere else. I won't cry about it to some echo chamber of fellow snowflakes who think they're too good for that, and who claim that Fauci's rationale for dispensing advice is no different from a mullah's. And once that virus is gone, I and mine will happily burn our suits with as much joy as the woman freed from her niqab.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  242. @Whiskey
    @El Dato

    Women are a reliable indicator of what men have power. Hint it's not White men.

    Black men rule the West. Have since the early 1960s

    Replies: @Clyde, @Corvinus

    YOU in your own life as a white man likely lacks power, so you project your own insecurities onto us.

  243. @Brás Cubas
    @Jonathan Mason


    People say masks are not good
     
    Well, I have pretty hard evidence that they do little to prevent contagion, but scientists believe (and I tend to agree) that, by filtering somehow the air that one breathes, they contribute to lower the viral load of infections, which in turn contributes to make the disease milder.

    I agree that they are a damned nuisance to wear, and they often make my glasses steam up.
     
    Try washing the lenses with neutral detergent, and then cleaning them with soft paper tissue *without* rinsing them first.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    by filtering somehow the air that one breathes, they contribute to lower the viral load of infections

    In order to filter something, does not the holes of the filter need to be smaller than the particles to be filtered?

    Anyway, if you are right, after a month of mandatory mask wearing, the virus will be eradicated and the crises will be over. I look forward to things going back to normal.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    In order to filter something, does not the holes of the filter need to be smaller than the particles to be filtered?
     
    Not if the filtering is partial, as seems to be the case here. Some of the viruses will stop at the mask, some will pass. If someone gets infected, the amount of virus in their blood will be smaller, and the disease milder.

    Anyway, if you are right, after a month of mandatory mask wearing, the virus will be eradicated and the crises will be over.
     
    No, it will not, because, as I said, they are not very effective at preventing infection. People will get sick, but with less probability of become seriously sick. They will still be contagious.
  244. @Steve Richter
    the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus. And over 30% for people hospitalized because of it. Pretty bad odds for something touted as nothing more than the flu.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Kratoklastes

    the death rate is still 2.5% of people who are infected by the virus

    For people under 75 (taken as a single group), the death rate is well below 1%; for under 30s it’s so close to zero that it’s not worth calculating.

    This has been a stylised fact of the death counts since late March, and by about May it was clear that anybody who didn’t understand this was willfully ignoring it – as you are.

    Even for seniors, the CFR/IFR assumes that current case counts are a complete representation of those who have been infected by this woefully-inadequate excuse for a lethal pathogen.

    The fact that you conflated “infected by the virus” and “develop symptoms of a poorly-defined illness” is telling. Even today, in most of the world asymptomatic people generally don’t get tested – and some paucisymptomatic people don’t bother either, given the life-related chaos that could follow a positive test.

    The Australian NNDS data shows – categorically and unarguably – that health authorities have been deliberately under-counting influenza (by not bothering to look for it): the cumulative count of lab-confirmed influenza cases between April and August (to date) has fallen by 99.5% compared to the same period last year. So this winter Australia will record near-zero influenza deaths, for the first time in medical history: seems legit.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  245. @Chrisnonymous
    @HA

    All safety/freedom trade-offs have to go through periods of political struggle before society settles on what it's comfortable with. The "masks are too much" side seem to have some legitimate beefs. Suggesting that freedom-over-safety is automatically wrong because you can cite examples of safety-over-freedom that people are comfortable with is a non-sequitur.

    We can play the same game from the other side too. No doubt* universal masking would have been saving lives lost due to influenza deaths in past years. Where were you demanding that we mask up come flu season? And why are people in nursing homes allowed to have visitors between autumn and spring? And why aren't we irradiating every leaf of every head of lettuce sold in a supermarket to prevent E.coli deaths?

    This is stupid stuff. Even in hospitals, protocols are submitted to cost-benefit analysis. Your silly perspective adds nothing to a debate about not only masks but public health measures in general in an age of increased pandemic risk.


    *I am agreeing for the sake of argument that masks are actually effective, although how effective and under what circumstances is actually an open question.

    Replies: @HA

    “All safety/freedom trade-offs have to go through periods of political struggle before society settles on what it’s comfortable with. The “masks are too much” side seem to have some legitimate beefs.”

    Which is why they should spend less time acting like bratty six-year-olds, or worse yet, trying to convince me, in all seriousness, that masks are worse than seat belts — even though, to repeat, the latter were imposed on us inside our own personally purchased vehicles, and were imposed once and for all with no expiration date, and were followed up with shoulder belts, and child-decapitating air bags in short order. That kind of an argument is not “political struggle”. Don’t flatter yourself. That’s a little fragile snowflake trying to convince his pain is so much worse than his older brothers’ and sisters’ pain ever was, and life is so unfair.

    So, of course I’m going to take a dig at that. It’s just too absurd not to.

    “Where were you demanding that we mask up come flu season?”

    Again, I have no problem picking fights with little brats throwing tantrums who refuse to recognize that a mask is, in the grand scheme of things, not nearly as bad as all the other stuff we’ve been conditioned to do from birth without a whimper of protest. However, making light of people like that should not be misconstrued as an unqualified endorsement of lockdowns in general. On that, I’m generally agnostic, and there’s far too many dark plot twists on both sides of that issue for me to take a side (e.g., the parasite/hygiene language that was eventually incorporated by eugenicists, Communists and Nazis in deciding with “parasitic” groups societies needed to eliminate — and spoiler alert: it did not end well).

    In any case, I’ll let those who actually know what they’re doing make the measurements and issue their recommendations (again, this doesn’t include bratty little children demanding I know how bad they feel about having to wear a mask). So long as they keep the research public and open to debate, I suspect we’ll hash it out one way or another. If that means masking up when I visit a nursing home, I’ll deal with it somehow without being reduced to whimpering infantilism.

    In other words, I’m not the doomer around here. It’s the ones who scream about how COVID has caused everyone to become hysterical while they themselves are issuing dark apocalyptic warnings about how this is all some pretense to lock us down forever, about how Bill Gates is trying to inject us with nanobots, or else how there’s no hope of any vaccine for a coronavirus. (And I can find you examples of all those on this site.) So yeah, the hypocrisy of people like that is also good for a chuckle.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @HA

    Me wearing a mask in the great sunny and breezy outdoors? Never.
    If I go to an indoors basketball game, I will wear a mask. Too crowded there and I don't know who is nearby.
    At an outdoors baseball or football game, held in a major league stadium, I am less worried. I will wear a mask but be less worried.
    FWI -- I have no use for today's sportball so all above is theoretical. But I might be dragged to one in a social setting.
    Visiting people at their residence, I wear a mask if this is the norm they want. Otherwise no mask.

  246. @anon
    @Corvinus

    @Corvinus

    First, Somehow I intended to post a comment/observation and accidentally replied to you. Sorry for the confusion.

    The source is my observation from the WSJ graphs of the seven day moving averages of reported cases/deaths.

    The primary reason to post the observation is that despite all the problems with the data, the ratio has been surprisingly stable.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The source is my observation from the WSJ graphs of the seven day moving averages of reported cases/deaths.”

    You are not a source. Moreover, you admit you are drawing your own conclusion from the data. So, I will ask again–how do you know for certain testing is going down because people are not seeing the advantage of it? A source like citizen interviews or a survey that provides information to support your claim would be sufficient.

    “The primary reason to post the observation is that despite all the problems with the data, the ratio has been surprisingly stable.”

    What problems with the data are you referring to?

  247. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Thoughts



    Covid does exist and is a very bad flu with a higher-than-normal fatality rate

     

    Correction: Covid does exist and is a weak flu with a lower-than-normal fatality rate.


    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

    Differences

    Flu

    Young children are at higher risk of severe illness from flu.

     

    Covid doesn't kill the young, and seems to stick to nursing homes where life expectancy is measured in months.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Corvinus

    Try again.

    https://khn.org/news/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-killed-by-covid-19/

     

    .

    He and Padula wore masks when they went out, which was usually only for groceries or gas.

     

    Hmmm...the masks didn't work that time.

    On April 5, Bradt came down with a fever, stomach-bug symptoms and achiness, and went to the hospital. His COVID-19 test came back negative.

     

    Covid test negative, you say?

    Another test proved positive.

     

    That's better. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

    he was put on a ventilator. In the process, he choked on his own vomit, which caused his lung to collapse.

     

    Wow, ventilators are dangerous. But at least the hospital gets paid $39,000. I hope the family got a kickback.
  248. @Chrisnonymous
    @HA

    This doesn't make any sense. The purported "being played" being complained about is something that purportedly happened to the experts as well as the public and via news coverage and mediated partly by organizations like WHO and CDC, not something that happened because of civil liberties and open debate. The purported "being played" would not have been reduced in any way by having a more technocratic society. You're mixing your interpretation of reality with the commenter's to create a hybrid the commenter did not claim. In a world in which COVID is not a serious issue, Chinese water park fun is a legitimate indictment of overreacting western governments. Only in a world in which COVID is a serious issue that the Chinese actually solved through totalitarian controls is Chicomm water fun not an indictment of us. Which world do we live in or is it another?

    I tend not to believe in "psy op" conspiracy theories, although I have to say things seem to be working out well for Xi so far. Also, if I were going to release a virus in Europe with the intention of creating havoc, I would pick Italy, the country whose people are famous for their over-the-top operatic theatrical emotional reactions!

    Replies: @HA

    “In a world in which COVID is not a serious issue, Chinese water park fun is a legitimate indictment of overreacting western governments. Only in a world in which COVID is a serious issue that the Chinese actually solved through totalitarian controls is Chicomm water fun not an indictment of us. Which world do we live in or is it another?”

    I reject your false dichotomies. What IS an indictment of (some of) us is pretending that we’re too libertarian to ever allow ourselves to be tracked/traced by our government, we’re too libertarian to suffer the indignities of mask-wearing or social distancing, etc. AND THEN crying about how people who DO have to suffer all those indignities might actually see some payoff and benefit that we’ve inadvertently lost out on.

    To the extent we chose to play a stupid game, the stupid prize we’re left with is one we deserve. It’s not the only way to lay out the problem. What we gained by not suffering those idignities may have some even greater payoff in the end that the Chinese will rue. Time will tell.

    “I tend not to believe in “psy op” conspiracy theories…. Also, if I were going to release a virus in Europe with the intention of creating havoc, I would pick Italy,”

    Yeah, sure. What better way to convince us that you “tend not to believe” in conspiracy theories than by writing something like that? See my previous comment about who the real doomers and hysterics are around here (hint: it isn’t the ones worrying about the virus).

  249. @Lars Porsena
    @HA

    I have no idea what validation you seem to think I'm seeking. I don't want any. I'm just commenting on how you've all gone moral therapeutic nutso and are turning the world in Demolition Man.

    But it's not because of Corona, which you at least are more upfront about. This Corona response is part of a social trend that goes far beyond the flu and mask wearing. You seemed to have missed that part of my observation, and probably also the film. The real disease is something else and corona is a symptom.

    Your 'in for penny, in for a pound' reasoning is, as far as I can tell, basically true. Personally I don't wear seatbelts when I'm driving. I don't go along with any of it. But it is all of a part, so having donned a mask, you will eventually be washing your ass with seashells and replacing sex with VR porn, letting your ipad drive your car for you, replacing your cops with a national Time Out Program for everyone, avoiding all human contact, letting Stuart Smalley dictate the limits of appropriate speech and practicing your daily affirmations. Maybe also wearing kleenex boxes on your feet.

    Anyway, Sylvester Stallone's character was the hollywood fantasy part. You can only catch him in the happy little stupid movie. Wesley Snipes is real, and he is fantastic.

    Stallone's character requires cryostasis to explain, how could he even be there otherwise? Snipe's character doesn't. The world and the premise require Snipe's stasis, not Snipes. How could the world even be there otherwise?

    If it ever comes down to the pretense of the movie in real life, Stallone, if he even existed, would not be willing to murder endless piles of naive dorks so he would end up being put back into cryostasis by them for swearing too much and scaring the normies. Then they would thaw out Stuart Smalley to go after Snipes and then Snipes would kill everyone, reform the world and become the next Khan, fathering a million nations and bringing the buffalo back to the plains.

    If there is any validation to be had, that will be validation. Buffalo in Illinois, lock the front door, oh boy!

    And if it is within my power, I will spare you, but only on the condition that I will sit indian style on your back and ride you around like a donkey, and you will call me Pasha, and perform blackface minstrel dances when I am bored and clap my hands twice.

    Replies: @HA

    “I’m just commenting on how you’ve all gone moral therapeutic nutso and are turning the world in Demolition Man….But it is all of a part, so having donned a mask, you will eventually be washing your ass with seashells and replacing sex with VR porn, letting your ipad drive your car for you, replacing your cops with a national Time Out Program for everyone, avoiding all human contact, letting Stuart Smalley dictate the limits of appropriate speech and practicing your daily affirmations. Maybe also wearing kleenex boxes on your feet.”

    If you want to be taken seriously in life, maybe you should stop treating Sylvesteter Stallone and Wesley Snipe movies as some kind of sacred prophecy.

    Until then, you’re not in any position to be calling anyone else ‘nutso’.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    @HA

    But you didn't see it, did you? How would you know?

    It's a silly movie and an even sillier prophecy. It's not may fault you guys are making it come true.

    Replies: @HA

  250. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AKAHorace

    First of all, Horace, that writing about the beaches and the telephoto effect was well after the first 2 months of this. I should be more clear though, that I'm talking about the big picture, the narrative. Yes, Mr. Sailer questioned plenty of the details about mask wearing, who's got all the masks, why we can't get more, what about N95 ones, where the sources of the drugs are, why the press is badmouthing this or that treatment, are we gonna flatten the curve (remember that?), what's the deal with the ventilators, how the celebrities are handling this, and so on ... I remember all this till I started getting tired of it all.

    It's the big picture, though. The Infotainment narrative that this, just another virus from the Orient, is akin to Black Plague 2.0 and is therefore obviously the biggest story to be told and discussed 24/7 by talking heads is something Mr. Sailer seems to have been down with.... till when, I don't know exactly, now?

    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven't been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don't use) for well over 20 years now. I am never in front of the TV*. 2 summers ago, at a friend's brother's house, Fox News was on, and I stayed in this sunroom of sorts to be sociable. Holy cow! I had no idea that the asinine Russia collusion story was still on. I knew NOTHING of the details the talking heads were going on about (on Trump's side, I think). From what I read on the web, this story went on another year or more. Well I had no idea, because if you don't spend time in front of the idiot plate, you don't get the impression that some 2-year-long(at the time) story is even worth thinking about. Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the '16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about.

    Now, this Kung Flu infotainment has been a boon to the Lyin' Press like nothing in my lifetime, or since the Nixon impeachment (too young to care). Because I don't spend any time in front of the idiot plate, I still had/have my perspective regarding these occasional bad virus strains too.

    I'm sorry, Steve. You're still my favorite blogger around. Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus. I know you are always searching for the truth though, and I think you are getting lots closer to it on this topic.


    .

    * Scarlet Number, go ahead and hit the TROLL button now. I know it hurts you so much that not everyone watches TV. Do it. I know you wanna.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ben tillman, @Corvinus, @Clyde

    “Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the ’16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about.”

    You mean lacking perspective considering you choose not to be informed.

    “Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus.”

    No, Mr. Sailer’s response was based on the fact that Covid-19 is a legitimate health threat.

  251. @AKAHorace
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sailer was one of the first to say that worrying about outdoor activities like beach parties was a waste of time. He was also one of the first to realize that mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown. I think that his take was pretty good compared to those who first ignored and then panicked about COVID.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kratoklastes

    He was also one of the first to realize that mask wearing is a good alternative to the lockdown.

    One of the HBD-crowds criticisms of our dusky chums, is that they (the duskies) have short mental horizons.

    Do you consider it a positive trait that iSteve was unable to work out that mandatory face-diapers were not intended to be an alternative to lockdown, but just another thing that we must comply with? And that mandatory[1] vaccinations are next?

    Wasn’t it, in fact, evidence of a failure to think past the surface, and a failure to form a rational expectation as to how it escalates once the foot is in the door? Evidence of a short cognitive horizon, perhaps?

    This whole covid-theatre is a society-wide version of “It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again”.

    In my State there’s a $1150 fine if you can’t give some half-retarded high-school underperformer a Massah-endorsed excuse for why you’re outside your home between 8pm and 5am.

    [1] The Prime Minister of Australia put up the trial ballooon a week ago, saying that any vaccine would be ‘as mandatory as we can make it‘.

    In other words, they would try to pass unconstitutional legislation, and then slow-roll any challenges (the same method that has been followed for border closures, which are flagrantly unconstitutional and everybody knows it… the High Court won’t even hear the first case on the matter until at least October).

    After the predictable hue and cry, he appeared to back down – but every journalist had his marching orders: those who were part of the hue and cry were conspiracy theorists, and besides, this is an emergncy, and it’s silly nit-picking to require governments to comply with their foundational documents in an emergency.

    What will happen is that people will be forced to comply, under penalty of loss of access to publicly-provided services (e.g., welfare, pensions, the health service and so forth); furthermore, vaccine makers will be indemnified from lawsuits if their product is unfit for purpose.

    That’s where we are now. It will get worse, because this level of unquestioning acceptance is fucking catnip to the vermin who are attracted to political life.

    Survival rates from SARS-nCoV2 are ~99.95% among the economically productive (otherwise-healthy sub-octagenarians) – and already, questions of government constitutionality are a dead letter… by unanimous agreement among the political parasite class and their fellow parasites.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  252. @HA
    @Lars Porsena

    "I’m just commenting on how you’ve all gone moral therapeutic nutso and are turning the world in Demolition Man....But it is all of a part, so having donned a mask, you will eventually be washing your ass with seashells and replacing sex with VR porn, letting your ipad drive your car for you, replacing your cops with a national Time Out Program for everyone, avoiding all human contact, letting Stuart Smalley dictate the limits of appropriate speech and practicing your daily affirmations. Maybe also wearing kleenex boxes on your feet."

    If you want to be taken seriously in life, maybe you should stop treating Sylvesteter Stallone and Wesley Snipe movies as some kind of sacred prophecy.

    Until then, you're not in any position to be calling anyone else 'nutso'.

    Replies: @Lars Porsena

    But you didn’t see it, did you? How would you know?

    It’s a silly movie and an even sillier prophecy. It’s not may fault you guys are making it come true.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Lars Porsena

    "It’s a silly movie and an even sillier prophecy. It’s not may fault you guys are making it come true."

    Look, I appreciate a Godfather or Goodfellas or Idiocracy quote as much as the next guy. But again, you need to disconnect B-movies from reality. Maybe connect to some research, or history. And yes, I did see it. It just obviously didn't have the profound effect on me that it had on you, but I guess you're doing the best you can with what you've got.

  253. @anon
    @JohnPlywood

    Covid has been the best anti-immigration agent so far. Net migration for 2020 is almost zero and will be negligible for 2021. It has become the immigration moratorium everyone aspired for but no one knew how to enact or enforce.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Yet these Trumpy-Trumpy-stan-stan-stan idiots want the lockdown lifted. Anyone on the right complaining about the lockdown is either a paid troll or a genuine retard, unless they owned a business that went under (in which case, they are simply selfish assholes).

  254. @Corvinus
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "Covid doesn’t kill the young"

    Try again.

    https://khn.org/news/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-killed-by-covid-19/

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/florida-coronavirus-child-death/index.html

    "and seems to stick to nursing homes where life expectancy is measured in months".

    Yet it spreads in other populations.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-campuses-face-explosion-covid-19-cases-challenges-get-students-n1238053

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Try again.

    https://khn.org/news/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-killed-by-covid-19/

    .

    He and Padula wore masks when they went out, which was usually only for groceries or gas.

    Hmmm…the masks didn’t work that time.

    On April 5, Bradt came down with a fever, stomach-bug symptoms and achiness, and went to the hospital. His COVID-19 test came back negative.

    Covid test negative, you say?

    Another test proved positive.

    That’s better. If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.

    he was put on a ventilator. In the process, he choked on his own vomit, which caused his lung to collapse.

    Wow, ventilators are dangerous. But at least the hospital gets paid $39,000. I hope the family got a kickback.

  255. @Steve Richter
    @Clyde


    Quercetin in the ionophore which means that it helps to transport zinc to where it needs to go. Zinc itself Is antiviral and if your levels are low you may be more susceptible to a virus or the severity of the virus may be worse. It would be prudent to take the zinc supplement either as a lozenge or As zinc picolinate or zinc gluconate.

     

    but if the human body wanted zinc to enter the cells wouldn't it produce its own ionophores to enable it to do so? Zinc is a good idea, in early stages off the disease, when the virus is replicating. But as a preventative, it sounds risky.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @travis, @NOTA

    Early on hospitals were trying zinc, but it didn’t seem to help much. Same with azithromycin/hydrochoroquinine, and probably a dozen other things that didn’t make the news. Doctors were throwing anything that looked like it might help at the disease, and mostly they didn’t do much good. That’s pretty much what always happens with a new disease—the same thing happened with AIDS and SARS.

    Luckily, covid19 mortality is down everywhere, probably because doctors learned a bunch of tricks for handling it better, but perhaps because it has mutated to a less nasty strain or existing precautions (masks, handwashing, plexiglass, 6 foot distancing) are causing most people to get a much smaller initial dose of virus. Or maybe by now the most susceptible people are just being extra careful so the folks that get covid are mostly not 70 year old diabetics with emphysema. It would be very nice to know which….

  256. @Clyde
    @DRA

    Excellent analysis but you also want a daily count on all you mention to see if Covid is dying down or spiking temporarily. I am in the dying down camp as far as three majors of daily deaths, daily new hospitalizations and even the very nebulous, manipulatable, daily new infections rate is receding. The 4 worst spiking states of 6 weeks ago-- Texas, Florida, California, Arizona---all conservative so got a liberal & media slamming-- have turned the tide

    Replies: @DRA

    Texas never did badly in deaths per million population!

  257. I genuinely don’t get the weird hatred for masks. Surgical masks are cheap and available (I walked by a pile of boxes of them at Home Depot the other day), there’s good evidence they make it harder to both catch and transmit covid, and they’re not particularly hot or uncomfortable to wear. Of all the inconveniences caused by covid, having to wear a mask to go into a store is like item number ten thousand.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Peterike
    @NOTA

    “ I genuinely don’t get the weird hatred for masks... Surgical masks are cheap and available... there’s good evidence they make it harder to both catch and transmit covid,”

    There is no evidence whatsoever for this.

    Replies: @Sparkon

  258. @epebble
    @PiltdownMan

    Not just Singapore; Look at this strangeness:

    deaths
    Mongolia 0
    Cambodia 0
    Laos 0
    Myanmar 6
    Vietnam 27
    Taiwan 7
    Sri Lanka 12
    Thailand 58
    Malaysia 125

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ Not just Singapore; Look at this strangeness:

    deaths
    Mongolia 0
    Cambodia 0
    Laos 0
    Myanmar 6
    Vietnam 27
    Taiwan 7
    Sri Lanka 12
    Thailand 58
    Malaysia 125”

    Check their HCQ usage.

  259. @Steve Sailer
    @Bill Jones

    Tests are not terribly limited at present, so if new tested cases are declining, that probably means new cases overall are declining too.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Hong Kong government is planning to launch widespread public testing next week. It’s voluntary, but everybody is encouraged to ‘participate’.

    A government spokesdrone yesterday noted that the goal is for 1-2 million people to be tested, with an expected result of discovering — how many cases? 100K? 10K?

    No: they’re expecting to find ‘around 100 cases’.

    COVID-19 (at least here) is starting to look more and more like racism: there are just not enough cases to go around.

  260. @NOTA
    I genuinely don’t get the weird hatred for masks. Surgical masks are cheap and available (I walked by a pile of boxes of them at Home Depot the other day), there’s good evidence they make it harder to both catch and transmit covid, and they’re not particularly hot or uncomfortable to wear. Of all the inconveniences caused by covid, having to wear a mask to go into a store is like item number ten thousand.

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ I genuinely don’t get the weird hatred for masks… Surgical masks are cheap and available… there’s good evidence they make it harder to both catch and transmit covid,”

    There is no evidence whatsoever for this.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Sparkon
    @Peterike

    Nonsense!

    There is plenty of good evidence that face masks do prevent or slow down infections from SARS-CoV-2.

    Haven't you heard of the case from Springfield, MO, where two stylists sick with COVID-19 went to work at their beauty salon? None of the 139 clients served by the two sick stylists got the virus, but everyone at the salon was wearing a mask.


    "These results support the use of face coverings in places open to the public, especially when social distancing is not possible, to reduce spread of SARS-CoV-2," the authors of the MMWR report concluded.
     
    Apparently you live with your head in the sand. Is that worse than wearing a mask?

    Or maybe you're just lying.
  261. @Lars Porsena
    @HA

    But you didn't see it, did you? How would you know?

    It's a silly movie and an even sillier prophecy. It's not may fault you guys are making it come true.

    Replies: @HA

    “It’s a silly movie and an even sillier prophecy. It’s not may fault you guys are making it come true.”

    Look, I appreciate a Godfather or Goodfellas or Idiocracy quote as much as the next guy. But again, you need to disconnect B-movies from reality. Maybe connect to some research, or history. And yes, I did see it. It just obviously didn’t have the profound effect on me that it had on you, but I guess you’re doing the best you can with what you’ve got.

  262. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @HA



    Right after you let me know how that no-shirt-no-shoes-no-pants thing works out for you.

     

    What about hijabs?
    2017–2019 Iranian protests against compulsory hijab

    Should we do goggles too? Your virus laden eye-juice could kill granma, doncha know.
    Dr. Fauci: Wear goggles or eye shields to prevent spread of COVID-19

    Replies: @HA

    “What about hijabs?”

    Now I think you’re just trolling. But on the off chance you’re not, at some point, given the advances in designer DNA, we may yet see a virus attack that requires a hazmat suit to go outside, according to people like Fauci. I’m not looking forward to that, but if it does come, I will strap a suit on with the rest of those who might have need of me (and vice versa). And if a store requires me to have one on in order to protect those working inside, I will either suit up, or go somewhere else. I won’t cry about it to some echo chamber of fellow snowflakes who think they’re too good for that, and who claim that Fauci’s rationale for dispensing advice is no different from a mullah’s. And once that virus is gone, I and mine will happily burn our suits with as much joy as the woman freed from her niqab.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    Well, just how bad would that designer-DNA virus have to be, HA, for you to wear a hazmat suit? Would it have to have a mortality rate something approaching that of the Black Plague? 2 more questions:

    Would you support the requirement of said haz-mat suits for all of us, backed up by government violence, or let it be up to the worrier himself?

    You have the gall to call people that don't fall for stupid totalitarian shit snowflakes, but you are ready to wear a haz-mat suit around your neighborhood?

    Replies: @HA

  263. @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman


    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven’t been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don’t use) for well over 20 years now.
     
    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @kaganovitch, @Clyde

    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    Wow, that is hardcore.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @kaganovitch

    The GOP started primaries early that year, and with McCain as Obama's opponent I had no interest in the election at all.

  264. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AKAHorace

    First of all, Horace, that writing about the beaches and the telephoto effect was well after the first 2 months of this. I should be more clear though, that I'm talking about the big picture, the narrative. Yes, Mr. Sailer questioned plenty of the details about mask wearing, who's got all the masks, why we can't get more, what about N95 ones, where the sources of the drugs are, why the press is badmouthing this or that treatment, are we gonna flatten the curve (remember that?), what's the deal with the ventilators, how the celebrities are handling this, and so on ... I remember all this till I started getting tired of it all.

    It's the big picture, though. The Infotainment narrative that this, just another virus from the Orient, is akin to Black Plague 2.0 and is therefore obviously the biggest story to be told and discussed 24/7 by talking heads is something Mr. Sailer seems to have been down with.... till when, I don't know exactly, now?

    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven't been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don't use) for well over 20 years now. I am never in front of the TV*. 2 summers ago, at a friend's brother's house, Fox News was on, and I stayed in this sunroom of sorts to be sociable. Holy cow! I had no idea that the asinine Russia collusion story was still on. I knew NOTHING of the details the talking heads were going on about (on Trump's side, I think). From what I read on the web, this story went on another year or more. Well I had no idea, because if you don't spend time in front of the idiot plate, you don't get the impression that some 2-year-long(at the time) story is even worth thinking about. Having some perspective, I just knew the whole idea of Russia collusion in the '16 elections was just stupid and not worth thinking about.

    Now, this Kung Flu infotainment has been a boon to the Lyin' Press like nothing in my lifetime, or since the Nixon impeachment (too young to care). Because I don't spend any time in front of the idiot plate, I still had/have my perspective regarding these occasional bad virus strains too.

    I'm sorry, Steve. You're still my favorite blogger around. Your response on this early on just seemed to be based on falling for the big picture Infotainment narrative on this virus. I know you are always searching for the truth though, and I think you are getting lots closer to it on this topic.


    .

    * Scarlet Number, go ahead and hit the TROLL button now. I know it hurts you so much that not everyone watches TV. Do it. I know you wanna.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @ben tillman, @Corvinus, @Clyde

    I have no TV for 3-4 years. I lucked out with Comcast in my region, they charge fair prices for internet only. Sportball does not get dime one from me.
    My brag is the TV including FoxNews moves too slowly for moi as a means of getting political information. Though Laura Ingraham is amazing these days, very well produced show. She dogs the Covid fakery machine, Tucker is very good.
    I watch Tucker on Y-tube sometimes. The best part is that I can fast forward. Must use the you-tube filter at upper left to properly search for full shows from Tucker and Ingraham

    Watching Tuck right now ________

    ______ You tube nukes these shows after 5-12 hours but you have lots of guerillas uploading, putting them up there.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    Clyde, good on you, for all of that! I wanted to add that you are lucky you don't get screwed for having internet only. My internet-only service has been going up, up, up, though I may have a competitor to switch to. However, I shit you not, they send at least 2 pieces of mail a month average to tell advertise a deal for internet and TV (it seems like not many want the internet "land line" phone anymore). It only costs $10 to $20 more, but I DON'T WANT IT. I would not select it even if it were the same price as internet only.

    What pisses me off is that this company sends those (easily) 25 pieces of mail a year using my damn fees that I pay to be hooked up. Someone, a computer program if no one else, ought to know by now that "no, I don't want any freakin' TV!"

    Yes, Tucker is on youtube. Yesterday I tried to find his 8/24 show, but the first one I went to got removed. I went immediately to bitchute, but the first search didn't find anything.

    Replies: @Clyde

  265. @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman


    This may sound off topic, but bear with me, here. I haven’t been hooked up to any TV (other than an antenna on the chimney that we don’t use) for well over 20 years now.
     
    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @kaganovitch, @Clyde

    Hardcore! kaganovitch also said……. I grew to despise Obama’s voice and muted it. Same with Bill Clinton, two such obvious liars. Libs feel the same about Trump.

  266. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Brás Cubas



    by filtering somehow the air that one breathes, they contribute to lower the viral load of infections

     

    In order to filter something, does not the holes of the filter need to be smaller than the particles to be filtered?

    Anyway, if you are right, after a month of mandatory mask wearing, the virus will be eradicated and the crises will be over. I look forward to things going back to normal.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    In order to filter something, does not the holes of the filter need to be smaller than the particles to be filtered?

    Not if the filtering is partial, as seems to be the case here. Some of the viruses will stop at the mask, some will pass. If someone gets infected, the amount of virus in their blood will be smaller, and the disease milder.

    Anyway, if you are right, after a month of mandatory mask wearing, the virus will be eradicated and the crises will be over.

    No, it will not, because, as I said, they are not very effective at preventing infection. People will get sick, but with less probability of become seriously sick. They will still be contagious.

  267. @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I have no TV for 3-4 years. I lucked out with Comcast in my region, they charge fair prices for internet only. Sportball does not get dime one from me.
    My brag is the TV including FoxNews moves too slowly for moi as a means of getting political information. Though Laura Ingraham is amazing these days, very well produced show. She dogs the Covid fakery machine, Tucker is very good.
    I watch Tucker on Y-tube sometimes. The best part is that I can fast forward. Must use the you-tube filter at upper left to properly search for full shows from Tucker and Ingraham

    Watching Tuck right now ________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlWnKrNY72Y ______ You tube nukes these shows after 5-12 hours but you have lots of guerillas uploading, putting them up there.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Clyde, good on you, for all of that! I wanted to add that you are lucky you don’t get screwed for having internet only. My internet-only service has been going up, up, up, though I may have a competitor to switch to. However, I shit you not, they send at least 2 pieces of mail a month average to tell advertise a deal for internet and TV (it seems like not many want the internet “land line” phone anymore). It only costs $10 to $20 more, but I DON’T WANT IT. I would not select it even if it were the same price as internet only.

    What pisses me off is that this company sends those (easily) 25 pieces of mail a year using my damn fees that I pay to be hooked up. Someone, a computer program if no one else, ought to know by now that “no, I don’t want any freakin’ TV!”

    Yes, Tucker is on youtube. Yesterday I tried to find his 8/24 show, but the first one I went to got removed. I went immediately to bitchute, but the first search didn’t find anything.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Clyde, good on you, for all of that! I wanted to add that you are lucky you don’t get screwed for having internet only. My internet-only service has been going up, up, up, though I may have a competitor to switch to. However, I shit you not, they send at least 2 pieces of mail a month average to tell advertise a deal for internet and TV (it seems like not many want the internet “land line” phone anymore). It only costs $10 to $20 more, but I DON’T WANT IT. I would not select it even if it were the same price as internet only.
     
    Internet land lines for free via google voice comboed up with an Obi200 (at Amazon or eBay) that connects to yr router. I have used this for three years in addition to my cell phone. Play Comcast against your possible competitor as far as your billing and choices go. I constantly get Comcast mail with TV+Internet "bargains"
    Comcast has no competitor where I am. ATT could be but my neighborhood has convoluted copper wiring. A friend who lives 1/2 mile away was able to get their 6mbs DSL. Now his development are all on Bluestream for TV, Internet, phone. He pays some mad rate of $25/month. I checked his internet, speed was above 35mbs

    Yikes! I bought a new Obi200 for $60 or so. Now there is a temporary shortage and refurbs are what is around.
  268. @kaganovitch
    @ben tillman

    When Obama took office I had never seen a moving picture of him or heard his voice. Top that, Achmed!

    Wow, that is hardcore.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The GOP started primaries early that year, and with McCain as Obama’s opponent I had no interest in the election at all.

  269. @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Keep it at a macro level and buy CDSs on the USA via Goldman Sachs. You can’t go wrong when you take the opposite side of their muppets clients’ trades.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You lost me at “macro level”.

    ;-}

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  270. @HA
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    "What about hijabs?"

    Now I think you're just trolling. But on the off chance you're not, at some point, given the advances in designer DNA, we may yet see a virus attack that requires a hazmat suit to go outside, according to people like Fauci. I'm not looking forward to that, but if it does come, I will strap a suit on with the rest of those who might have need of me (and vice versa). And if a store requires me to have one on in order to protect those working inside, I will either suit up, or go somewhere else. I won't cry about it to some echo chamber of fellow snowflakes who think they're too good for that, and who claim that Fauci's rationale for dispensing advice is no different from a mullah's. And once that virus is gone, I and mine will happily burn our suits with as much joy as the woman freed from her niqab.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, just how bad would that designer-DNA virus have to be, HA, for you to wear a hazmat suit? Would it have to have a mortality rate something approaching that of the Black Plague? 2 more questions:

    Would you support the requirement of said haz-mat suits for all of us, backed up by government violence, or let it be up to the worrier himself?

    You have the gall to call people that don’t fall for stupid totalitarian shit snowflakes, but you are ready to wear a haz-mat suit around your neighborhood?

    • Replies: @HA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Well, just how bad would that designer-DNA virus have to be, HA, for you to wear a hazmat suit?"

    Whatever that target lethality is, there are viruses that will exceed it. To the extent that you don't care that you or yours get wiped out, and like Harry Truman (no relation), you just want to live your life on your own terms trusting that the volcano will pass you by, that's on you. It just means the terrorists will be able to aim for a lower target. And I'm OK with accommodating those who choose to disregard the warnings, providing they provide assurances they won't overload the system.

    "You have the gall to call people that don’t fall for stupid totalitarian sh*t snowflakes,"

    Yes, I certainly do, especially on a site that regularly lambastes those that demand all the other overprivliged snowflakes on university campuses and Twitter who repeatedly demand that we acknowledge the microagressions they have endured and the hurt they have caused. It's fair game. I will repeat what I said earlier: If wearing a mask makes it into the top ten of the worst things this virus has done to you, then you, prissy little Lord Fauntleroy, with your First World problems, deserve all the lambasting you're getting and then some.

    So yeah, go ahead and try and tell us again -- dwelling as we do in living memory of those who rotted away in gulags or in killing fields -- how having to wear a mask entitles you to call yourself a victim of totalitarianism. Stamp your little feet and shake your little fist while you're at it, like the precious little snowflake that you are. You're certainly entitled, on that we can both agree.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  271. @Peterike
    @NOTA

    “ I genuinely don’t get the weird hatred for masks... Surgical masks are cheap and available... there’s good evidence they make it harder to both catch and transmit covid,”

    There is no evidence whatsoever for this.

    Replies: @Sparkon

    Nonsense!

    There is plenty of good evidence that face masks do prevent or slow down infections from SARS-CoV-2.

    Haven’t you heard of the case from Springfield, MO, where two stylists sick with COVID-19 went to work at their beauty salon? None of the 139 clients served by the two sick stylists got the virus, but everyone at the salon was wearing a mask.

    “These results support the use of face coverings in places open to the public, especially when social distancing is not possible, to reduce spread of SARS-CoV-2,” the authors of the MMWR report concluded.

    Apparently you live with your head in the sand. Is that worse than wearing a mask?

    Or maybe you’re just lying.

    • LOL: Coemgen
  272. @HA
    @Chrisnonymous

    "All safety/freedom trade-offs have to go through periods of political struggle before society settles on what it’s comfortable with. The “masks are too much” side seem to have some legitimate beefs."

    Which is why they should spend less time acting like bratty six-year-olds, or worse yet, trying to convince me, in all seriousness, that masks are worse than seat belts -- even though, to repeat, the latter were imposed on us inside our own personally purchased vehicles, and were imposed once and for all with no expiration date, and were followed up with shoulder belts, and child-decapitating air bags in short order. That kind of an argument is not "political struggle". Don't flatter yourself. That's a little fragile snowflake trying to convince his pain is so much worse than his older brothers' and sisters' pain ever was, and life is so unfair.

    So, of course I'm going to take a dig at that. It's just too absurd not to.

    "Where were you demanding that we mask up come flu season?"

    Again, I have no problem picking fights with little brats throwing tantrums who refuse to recognize that a mask is, in the grand scheme of things, not nearly as bad as all the other stuff we've been conditioned to do from birth without a whimper of protest. However, making light of people like that should not be misconstrued as an unqualified endorsement of lockdowns in general. On that, I'm generally agnostic, and there's far too many dark plot twists on both sides of that issue for me to take a side (e.g., the parasite/hygiene language that was eventually incorporated by eugenicists, Communists and Nazis in deciding with "parasitic" groups societies needed to eliminate -- and spoiler alert: it did not end well).

    In any case, I'll let those who actually know what they're doing make the measurements and issue their recommendations (again, this doesn't include bratty little children demanding I know how bad they feel about having to wear a mask). So long as they keep the research public and open to debate, I suspect we'll hash it out one way or another. If that means masking up when I visit a nursing home, I'll deal with it somehow without being reduced to whimpering infantilism.

    In other words, I'm not the doomer around here. It's the ones who scream about how COVID has caused everyone to become hysterical while they themselves are issuing dark apocalyptic warnings about how this is all some pretense to lock us down forever, about how Bill Gates is trying to inject us with nanobots, or else how there's no hope of any vaccine for a coronavirus. (And I can find you examples of all those on this site.) So yeah, the hypocrisy of people like that is also good for a chuckle.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Me wearing a mask in the great sunny and breezy outdoors? Never.
    If I go to an indoors basketball game, I will wear a mask. Too crowded there and I don’t know who is nearby.
    At an outdoors baseball or football game, held in a major league stadium, I am less worried. I will wear a mask but be less worried.
    FWI — I have no use for today’s sportball so all above is theoretical. But I might be dragged to one in a social setting.
    Visiting people at their residence, I wear a mask if this is the norm they want. Otherwise no mask.

  273. MB says: • Website
    @obwandiyag
    Absolute proof masks work very very well. By scientific experiment, not theorizing and generalizing and guessing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cTDGqcUpA

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @MB

    First spray of the paint can at 8′ saturates the inside of the mask with paint.
    From there on out nothing is getting through.
    But whatever.

    But if you are wearing a mask (and vaccinated), you are golden.
    So why the worries about those who don’t?
    Hmmm.

    Maybe the masks (and vaccines) aren’t what they are cracked up to be.
    Imagine that, little grasshopper.
    It’s not hard to do.

    Regardless, there is a place and a time for all things.
    Healthcare workers, the elderly, the immune compromised etc., but the rest of us need to build herd immunity.
    Then nobody has to wear a mask.

  274. @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    Well, just how bad would that designer-DNA virus have to be, HA, for you to wear a hazmat suit? Would it have to have a mortality rate something approaching that of the Black Plague? 2 more questions:

    Would you support the requirement of said haz-mat suits for all of us, backed up by government violence, or let it be up to the worrier himself?

    You have the gall to call people that don't fall for stupid totalitarian shit snowflakes, but you are ready to wear a haz-mat suit around your neighborhood?

    Replies: @HA

    “Well, just how bad would that designer-DNA virus have to be, HA, for you to wear a hazmat suit?”

    Whatever that target lethality is, there are viruses that will exceed it. To the extent that you don’t care that you or yours get wiped out, and like Harry Truman (no relation), you just want to live your life on your own terms trusting that the volcano will pass you by, that’s on you. It just means the terrorists will be able to aim for a lower target. And I’m OK with accommodating those who choose to disregard the warnings, providing they provide assurances they won’t overload the system.

    “You have the gall to call people that don’t fall for stupid totalitarian sh*t snowflakes,”

    Yes, I certainly do, especially on a site that regularly lambastes those that demand all the other overprivliged snowflakes on university campuses and Twitter who repeatedly demand that we acknowledge the microagressions they have endured and the hurt they have caused. It’s fair game. I will repeat what I said earlier: If wearing a mask makes it into the top ten of the worst things this virus has done to you, then you, prissy little Lord Fauntleroy, with your First World problems, deserve all the lambasting you’re getting and then some.

    So yeah, go ahead and try and tell us again — dwelling as we do in living memory of those who rotted away in gulags or in killing fields — how having to wear a mask entitles you to call yourself a victim of totalitarianism. Stamp your little feet and shake your little fist while you’re at it, like the precious little snowflake that you are. You’re certainly entitled, on that we can both agree.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    You've got it ass-backwards, HA. How can you be this stupid?

    It's the folks that blindly go along with mask wearing, following stickers on the floor, and anything else the "experts" have told our Authoritah to enforce, that will be the first to follow the Totalitarian regimes into an Orwellian world or into a spot to be shoveled into a big ditch, or both.

    Those of us who give a damn about resisting authority at what is not yet the level of that in the Nazi, Soviet, Mao-China, or Castro-like regimes are the ones more willing and ABLE to resist what's coming.

    You turn the truth around, HA. You are either pretty far on the retarded side, or you are the kind of liar that is mentioned in the Book of Revelation. If it's the former, I feel sorry for you. If it's the latter, you are just disgusting to me, like one of those antifa assholes.


    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
     
    ― Samuel Adams

    Here's hoping you don't live in America.

    Replies: @HA

  275. @HA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Well, just how bad would that designer-DNA virus have to be, HA, for you to wear a hazmat suit?"

    Whatever that target lethality is, there are viruses that will exceed it. To the extent that you don't care that you or yours get wiped out, and like Harry Truman (no relation), you just want to live your life on your own terms trusting that the volcano will pass you by, that's on you. It just means the terrorists will be able to aim for a lower target. And I'm OK with accommodating those who choose to disregard the warnings, providing they provide assurances they won't overload the system.

    "You have the gall to call people that don’t fall for stupid totalitarian sh*t snowflakes,"

    Yes, I certainly do, especially on a site that regularly lambastes those that demand all the other overprivliged snowflakes on university campuses and Twitter who repeatedly demand that we acknowledge the microagressions they have endured and the hurt they have caused. It's fair game. I will repeat what I said earlier: If wearing a mask makes it into the top ten of the worst things this virus has done to you, then you, prissy little Lord Fauntleroy, with your First World problems, deserve all the lambasting you're getting and then some.

    So yeah, go ahead and try and tell us again -- dwelling as we do in living memory of those who rotted away in gulags or in killing fields -- how having to wear a mask entitles you to call yourself a victim of totalitarianism. Stamp your little feet and shake your little fist while you're at it, like the precious little snowflake that you are. You're certainly entitled, on that we can both agree.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You’ve got it ass-backwards, HA. How can you be this stupid?

    It’s the folks that blindly go along with mask wearing, following stickers on the floor, and anything else the “experts” have told our Authoritah to enforce, that will be the first to follow the Totalitarian regimes into an Orwellian world or into a spot to be shoveled into a big ditch, or both.

    Those of us who give a damn about resisting authority at what is not yet the level of that in the Nazi, Soviet, Mao-China, or Castro-like regimes are the ones more willing and ABLE to resist what’s coming.

    You turn the truth around, HA. You are either pretty far on the retarded side, or you are the kind of liar that is mentioned in the Book of Revelation. If it’s the former, I feel sorry for you. If it’s the latter, you are just disgusting to me, like one of those antifa assholes.

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

    ― Samuel Adams

    Here’s hoping you don’t live in America.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ah yes, the inevitable turn to Revelations. That slip of fabric, worn during the course of a pandemic, that doctors and nurses have slipped on for a hundred years with nary a protest, is an inevitable slide into the killing fields?

    And you still want to maintain that you're not a hysterical little drama queen?

    Reread my first post. If you aren't screaming twice as loud about seat belts and air bags, and no-shirt-no-shoes, your sudden awakening to the horror of having to wear a mask during an epidemic is all the more irrational, imbued as it is with hypocrisy. No surprise there, either. Like I said, the more these snowflakes pride themselves on their commitment to individualism, the more lemming-like their herd becomes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  276. @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    You've got it ass-backwards, HA. How can you be this stupid?

    It's the folks that blindly go along with mask wearing, following stickers on the floor, and anything else the "experts" have told our Authoritah to enforce, that will be the first to follow the Totalitarian regimes into an Orwellian world or into a spot to be shoveled into a big ditch, or both.

    Those of us who give a damn about resisting authority at what is not yet the level of that in the Nazi, Soviet, Mao-China, or Castro-like regimes are the ones more willing and ABLE to resist what's coming.

    You turn the truth around, HA. You are either pretty far on the retarded side, or you are the kind of liar that is mentioned in the Book of Revelation. If it's the former, I feel sorry for you. If it's the latter, you are just disgusting to me, like one of those antifa assholes.


    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
     
    ― Samuel Adams

    Here's hoping you don't live in America.

    Replies: @HA

    Ah yes, the inevitable turn to Revelations. That slip of fabric, worn during the course of a pandemic, that doctors and nurses have slipped on for a hundred years with nary a protest, is an inevitable slide into the killing fields?

    And you still want to maintain that you’re not a hysterical little drama queen?

    Reread my first post. If you aren’t screaming twice as loud about seat belts and air bags, and no-shirt-no-shoes, your sudden awakening to the horror of having to wear a mask during an epidemic is all the more irrational, imbued as it is with hypocrisy. No surprise there, either. Like I said, the more these snowflakes pride themselves on their commitment to individualism, the more lemming-like their herd becomes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    Re: Revelation - I brought it up because it gives one the feel of how evil liars and lies can get. From this post, I'm pivoting back toward thinking your just very, very slow, HA. I find it hard to believe that you were home sick every time the words "mandatory" and "voluntary", and a comparison between the 2 words were explained. You write as if you were, though.

    Doctors, see, when the medical staff determines that situations such as in the ER would be safer if the doctors wear masks, then they wear masks. If the doctors knew it was all for nothing, they'd quit wearing masks. Before this Kung Flu, they did not wear masks all over the hospital (same for nurses) - only in very specific situation. Doctors don't put up with the least bit of stupidity, except regarding billing, and that's why they hire people for that. Lately, stupidity has become mandatory.

    I noted your bringing up the seat belts and air bags. What makes you think people like me and probably lots of commenters here (not Steve Sailer, I doubt) weren't completely against mandatory seat belt laws and laws requiring automakers to include them and air bags? Don't get me wrong, I've worn seat belts since way back, as my parents have pushed that stuff. Good on 'em, and also I've flown into the windshield one time. However, all the safety devices should be voluntary to use, and voluntary to install in vehicles. I have vehicles with airbags and vehicles without.

    Nope the hysteria lies within you, HA. I've never seen a better example of that psychological theory of "projection" than right here in this thread. Is it hysteria for me to want combination control freaks and Howard Hughes style germaphobes to just leave the rest of us alone?

    I'm pretty sure I've seen more lemmings with masks than freedom-lovers without. Per my comment on Peak Stupidity's latest post "I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone ...":


    My friend at the coffee shop covered his face with a paper towel to go inside and order. It looked like an old snot rag more than anything. They offered to give him a mask, but he told them that no, he'd heard that the Chinese might be putting poison in them to kill us all. Haha! Great angle there!
     
    We're fighting back! One great method may be to scare you guys even more into NOT wearing masks. RRP, it's called, Retard Reverse Psychology.
  277. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    Clyde, good on you, for all of that! I wanted to add that you are lucky you don't get screwed for having internet only. My internet-only service has been going up, up, up, though I may have a competitor to switch to. However, I shit you not, they send at least 2 pieces of mail a month average to tell advertise a deal for internet and TV (it seems like not many want the internet "land line" phone anymore). It only costs $10 to $20 more, but I DON'T WANT IT. I would not select it even if it were the same price as internet only.

    What pisses me off is that this company sends those (easily) 25 pieces of mail a year using my damn fees that I pay to be hooked up. Someone, a computer program if no one else, ought to know by now that "no, I don't want any freakin' TV!"

    Yes, Tucker is on youtube. Yesterday I tried to find his 8/24 show, but the first one I went to got removed. I went immediately to bitchute, but the first search didn't find anything.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Clyde, good on you, for all of that! I wanted to add that you are lucky you don’t get screwed for having internet only. My internet-only service has been going up, up, up, though I may have a competitor to switch to. However, I shit you not, they send at least 2 pieces of mail a month average to tell advertise a deal for internet and TV (it seems like not many want the internet “land line” phone anymore). It only costs $10 to $20 more, but I DON’T WANT IT. I would not select it even if it were the same price as internet only.

    Internet land lines for free via google voice comboed up with an Obi200 (at Amazon or eBay) that connects to yr router. I have used this for three years in addition to my cell phone. Play Comcast against your possible competitor as far as your billing and choices go. I constantly get Comcast mail with TV+Internet “bargains”
    Comcast has no competitor where I am. ATT could be but my neighborhood has convoluted copper wiring. A friend who lives 1/2 mile away was able to get their 6mbs DSL. Now his development are all on Bluestream for TV, Internet, phone. He pays some mad rate of $25/month. I checked his internet, speed was above 35mbs

    Yikes! I bought a new Obi200 for $60 or so. Now there is a temporary shortage and refurbs are what is around.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  278. @HA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ah yes, the inevitable turn to Revelations. That slip of fabric, worn during the course of a pandemic, that doctors and nurses have slipped on for a hundred years with nary a protest, is an inevitable slide into the killing fields?

    And you still want to maintain that you're not a hysterical little drama queen?

    Reread my first post. If you aren't screaming twice as loud about seat belts and air bags, and no-shirt-no-shoes, your sudden awakening to the horror of having to wear a mask during an epidemic is all the more irrational, imbued as it is with hypocrisy. No surprise there, either. Like I said, the more these snowflakes pride themselves on their commitment to individualism, the more lemming-like their herd becomes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Re: Revelation – I brought it up because it gives one the feel of how evil liars and lies can get. From this post, I’m pivoting back toward thinking your just very, very slow, HA. I find it hard to believe that you were home sick every time the words “mandatory” and “voluntary”, and a comparison between the 2 words were explained. You write as if you were, though.

    Doctors, see, when the medical staff determines that situations such as in the ER would be safer if the doctors wear masks, then they wear masks. If the doctors knew it was all for nothing, they’d quit wearing masks. Before this Kung Flu, they did not wear masks all over the hospital (same for nurses) – only in very specific situation. Doctors don’t put up with the least bit of stupidity, except regarding billing, and that’s why they hire people for that. Lately, stupidity has become mandatory.

    I noted your bringing up the seat belts and air bags. What makes you think people like me and probably lots of commenters here (not Steve Sailer, I doubt) weren’t completely against mandatory seat belt laws and laws requiring automakers to include them and air bags? Don’t get me wrong, I’ve worn seat belts since way back, as my parents have pushed that stuff. Good on ’em, and also I’ve flown into the windshield one time. However, all the safety devices should be voluntary to use, and voluntary to install in vehicles. I have vehicles with airbags and vehicles without.

    Nope the hysteria lies within you, HA. I’ve never seen a better example of that psychological theory of “projection” than right here in this thread. Is it hysteria for me to want combination control freaks and Howard Hughes style germaphobes to just leave the rest of us alone?

    I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more lemmings with masks than freedom-lovers without. Per my comment on Peak Stupidity‘s latest post “I know you rider, gonna miss me when I’m gone …”:

    My friend at the coffee shop covered his face with a paper towel to go inside and order. It looked like an old snot rag more than anything. They offered to give him a mask, but he told them that no, he’d heard that the Chinese might be putting poison in them to kill us all. Haha! Great angle there!

    We’re fighting back! One great method may be to scare you guys even more into NOT wearing masks. RRP, it’s called, Retard Reverse Psychology.

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