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One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege. We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women. And it goes without saying that straight white men are at the bottom.

But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope? Who wins?

Market researchers have been using conjoint analysis for generations to measure consumers’ preference tradeoffs when shopping.

Has conjoint analysis _ever_ been used to nail down the status rank order on the Intersectional Totem Pole?

 
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  1. The answer to this and many similar questions is “Shut up racist.”

    • Replies: @Moses

    The answer to this and many similar questions is “Shut up racist.”
     
    Yes.

    All anyone needs to know is White people Bad. Not White people Good.
  2. But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope?

    There doesn’t seem to be a clear hierarchy for who picks winners and losers in intersectional disputes. I think the people involved want it that way so the internet mobs can decide each time who they want to destroy. Are black women the ultimate authority? What happens when they pick against a group like Muslim men who decide they aren’t going to accept that outcome, does the coalition of the fringes finally break apart?

    • Replies: @craig
    This particular example is all too easy -- the Muslim wins. Hierarchy is determined by the relative potential threat of violence, both literal and by proxy (i.e. ability to summon law enforcement and/or conduct civil "lawfare").

    "That's cause a droid don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose."
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Are black women the ultimate authority?"

    Eventually.
  3. Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man. Gay men seem to be losing Wokeman points – unless they dress as womyn.

    • Replies: @Lot
    White male gays like “Mayo Pete” don’t count if they aren’t militant and flamboyant. Otherwise they’re just racist oppressors, with a little kink, like Cecil Rhodes or the gay Koch Brother. Similarly, a rich Saudi or Justice Thomas might as well be Mitt Romney.
    , @Barnard
    It is because Hillary lost and they are hell bent on having a woman President. You remember the line of women waiting to leave their " I voted" stickers at Susan B. Anthony grave on Election Day 2016. They don't want to take a backseat to anyone in line for the White House, no matter what victim group you claim to be a part of.
    , @Dissident

    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/19/opinion/amy-klobuchar-elizabeth-warren-nytimes-endorsement.html
    Worth reading for the laughs. Best line:
    Senator Warren is a gifted storyteller.
    , @mmack
    True observation. Being gay doesn't help in academia even if you're excellent at your STEM lecturer job but you write an article Jordan Peterson links to via Twitter:

    https://quillette.com/2020/01/11/demoted-and-placed-on-probation/

    You will obey, or you will be cancelled.

    , @Anonymous
    Or they take puberty-blockers to save them from the horror of growing up to be gay men.
    , @Abe

    Surprisingly, the New York Times endorsed the two womyn
     
    Wonderful! Marvelous! They should next time endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!) and all of them can then win the primary and go on to run in the general election. For added effect male Democratic voters should stay home on voting day so that future generations can honestly say our first Madam President didn’t need any man’s help to break that ultimate glass ceiling!
  4. An objective answer to that question would defeat the whole purpose.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    No. Soon there will a Federal Bureaucracy established to define the relationships quantitatively, so appropriate cash reparations can be made.
  5. Ill go with the malay on this one. No one likes these jew dyke broads.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Nobody likes them, true; but somehow they manage to get their way again and again.
  6. There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.

    • Replies: @BB753
    It's a confusing world!
    https://genius.com/Virgin-prunes-caucasian-walk-lyrics
    , @nebulafox
    It's nothing more than a masterbatory exercise for upper-middle class people who have the time, security, and means to engage in such self-flagellatory implicit status symbols.

    "See? We're so much better than the Deplorable Whites who can't do this!"

    , @Reg Cæsar

    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BoIdEjdZIls
    , @Reg Cæsar

    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BoIdEjdZIls
    , @guest
    Where does the "pimp roll" fit in?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L1CgDOdi7cY
  7. The most obvious responses to inter sectionalism are to:
    1) embrace the concept, and
    2) constantly challenge the stopping point of creating new groups.

    Embrace inter sectionalism because the concept requires that people cannot be adequately defined by groups. This is a useful message and the starting point of its deconstruction of post modern critical theory. Inter sectionalism is the beginning of the end of group ID by limiting the usefullness of any particular group.

    To fully smash the group identification, pile on with the inter sectional groupings,
    what about fat/thin people? tall/thin? unattractive/attractive people,? educated/uneducated, wealthy/poor? The ultimate end-point is individualism, which is a pretty good end state IMO.

    To persist, group-ism requires a small number of sharply defined groups. Keep expanding the pool and counting up Pokemon points becomes secondary to increasing the size of the Pokemon card deck.

    • Replies: @LemmusLemmus
    "what about fat/thin people?"

    https://www.tandfonline.com/loi/ufts20
    , @blank-misgivings
    "The ultimate end-point is individualism, which is a pretty good end state IMO."
    Hmm. But maybe that's exactly why corporate-libertarian types DO sign on to intersectionalism and woke ideology - because they have thought things through as you have to their consequences. Obviously I'm not as convinced that "individualism" ( = legitimated corporate rent seeking) is such a desirable end state. Also, it's a risky gambit - "faith militant" and all that....
  8. As an alternative, consider the factorial survey technique invented by Rossi and coauthors:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vignette_(psychology)

    • Replies: @Bugg
    But...Rossi is a whore, so....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWbQJNRxEeQ
  9. isteve: But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope? Who wins?

    Jews beat gentiles as a rule.

    It’s ok to be concerned about anti-semitism in racial minority communities, and among Muslims.

    One risks being branded as an anti-semite if one expresses concern about Islamophobia or racism in the Jewish community.

    See how angry people get when Jewish ownership of black slaves is mentioned. The Lehman Trilogy avoided interrogating the brothers’ connection to slavery.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    It’s ok to be concerned about anti-semitism in racial minority communities, and among Muslims.
     
    Clearly you haven't cracked the NY Times or the WaPo, or turned on CNN or MSNBC, or checked out leftist Twitter, in several years.

    They are doing everything they can to obfuscate who the perpetrators of the recent antisemitic attacks are, and, when that fails, to excuse them.
    , @Jack D
    Jews get angry because 90% arrived after the slave era and 99% of slave owners were not Jewish so it's kind of funny to be bringing up the few Jewish ones.
  10. If we are all egalitarians now, why are we arguing about a new Order of Rank?

    I don’t get it.

  11. @Dr. DoomNGloom
    The most obvious responses to inter sectionalism are to:
    1) embrace the concept, and
    2) constantly challenge the stopping point of creating new groups.

    Embrace inter sectionalism because the concept requires that people cannot be adequately defined by groups. This is a useful message and the starting point of its deconstruction of post modern critical theory. Inter sectionalism is the beginning of the end of group ID by limiting the usefullness of any particular group.

    To fully smash the group identification, pile on with the inter sectional groupings,
    what about fat/thin people? tall/thin? unattractive/attractive people,? educated/uneducated, wealthy/poor? The ultimate end-point is individualism, which is a pretty good end state IMO.

    To persist, group-ism requires a small number of sharply defined groups. Keep expanding the pool and counting up Pokemon points becomes secondary to increasing the size of the Pokemon card deck.

    “what about fat/thin people?”

    https://www.tandfonline.com/loi/ufts20

  12. @Paleo Liberal
    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.
  13. The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.
     
    I'm thinking it was a typo on the teleprompter and she pulled a Ron Burgundy. She couldn't auto-correct because she had never heard of Harold Lloyd.
    , @Forbes

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman.
     
    Of course she is.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman.
     
    What do modern black women know about silence?
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Ben Mankiewicz gives Ava DuVernay a platform on the old white people movie channel. BLV infects TCM.
    , @miss marple
    Ha! The last one was a Latinix named Tiffany who wore vintage dresses that didn't fit right. The preservers of classical music are also playing this game.
    , @riches
    She's the dope who elsewhere tried to tell TCM viewers that they couldn't really know their music (r&r) without knowing the blues.
  14. @Anonymous
    Ill go with the malay on this one. No one likes these jew dyke broads.

    Nobody likes them, true; but somehow they manage to get their way again and again.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    It’s the magical power of living in the city. Cities are the cultural/political/economic centers of any civilization. Takes 10x more political capital to organize the rural provinces than a city. (Sorry James Bryan, but cities run the show.)

    The white man lost his place as king when overthrown by the black urban gangsta during the white flight 1960s-1970s. He’s been in anguish ever since. The one unifying aspect of the Coalition of the Fringes is there urban residence. If you wanna take back the country, you must take back the city (or at least burn it anew like Kings Landing.)

    https://youtu.be/mXf65gRDUt8
  15. Muslims are at the top of the Oppression Index. The response to Orlando and the myriad of rape gangs show that they’re ahead of gays and women, respectively. Right now gays are out of favor but trannies are moving up the ladder ahead of even women now (white western women being some of the most oppressed people on earth, of course, so it’s significant that tranny athletes take precedence)

    Since Jews have the most input in creating and editing the Index, where they fall depends entirely on whether they’re whites that day. They are simultaneously at the top (as 4th generation holocaust survivors victimized by hatred of Israel and communism) and the bottom (“Harvey Weinstein is a white male!”)

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Muslims are at the top of the Oppression Index. The response to Orlando and the myriad of rape gangs show that they’re ahead of gays and women"

    We should have a decent set of data points shortly - UK feminist blogs and Guardianette writers have been completely schtum on the revelation that Manchester police looked the other way, faced with allegations of rape gangs, to prevent more Muslim rioting in 2000-2005.

    But a Devon woman has come forward to say that 40 years ago, as a 17 year old, she was gang raped by a Welsh amateur rugby team and kept quiet about it until now. I think it's quite likely, assuming the allegation is true, that the team will soon be identified - you'd only need to look at the local papers for the relevant dates to find out who was playing friendlies in the area.

    Then I will lay "a pound to a pinch of s***", as they say in the Black Country, that gang rape opining will become quite the journalistic thing.
  16. @Dr. DoomNGloom
    The most obvious responses to inter sectionalism are to:
    1) embrace the concept, and
    2) constantly challenge the stopping point of creating new groups.

    Embrace inter sectionalism because the concept requires that people cannot be adequately defined by groups. This is a useful message and the starting point of its deconstruction of post modern critical theory. Inter sectionalism is the beginning of the end of group ID by limiting the usefullness of any particular group.

    To fully smash the group identification, pile on with the inter sectional groupings,
    what about fat/thin people? tall/thin? unattractive/attractive people,? educated/uneducated, wealthy/poor? The ultimate end-point is individualism, which is a pretty good end state IMO.

    To persist, group-ism requires a small number of sharply defined groups. Keep expanding the pool and counting up Pokemon points becomes secondary to increasing the size of the Pokemon card deck.

    “The ultimate end-point is individualism, which is a pretty good end state IMO.”
    Hmm. But maybe that’s exactly why corporate-libertarian types DO sign on to intersectionalism and woke ideology – because they have thought things through as you have to their consequences. Obviously I’m not as convinced that “individualism” ( = legitimated corporate rent seeking) is such a desirable end state. Also, it’s a risky gambit – “faith militant” and all that….

  17. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    The vast majority of media employees and federal government bureaucrats are democrats, so a ranking of those in the intersectional progressive pyramid you hear about all the time likely coincides with how important each respective demographic is to the democrat voting coalition, among other factors.

    Asians have fewer Pokemon points than black democrats because blacks outrank Asians in population size, monolithic voting, and willingness to employ violence to get their way. Wine aunts outnumber Asians, so their abortion rights and toxic feminism issues get more press coverage than Ms. Wang’s higher education concerns but less than black criminal justice issues because studies show white women are more passive than other groups, especially compared to a certain large demographic that votes overwhelmingly in one direction in every election and might riot if you say the wrong thing. Muslims outrank atheists, despite both demographics voting democrat, because atheists are disproportionately white male and a smaller segment of the population than blacks as a whole, some of whom are Muslim.

    White males, despite being the most important American demographic by a thousand miles, are the lowest because 60 – 70% + vote republican. Whites males also stir envy in all those other groups for various reasons, so they get a double dose of hatred. That’s also why we occasionally get a “hate Becky with the good hair” eruption on social media by envious POC.

    Factors to consider, in order of importance:

    1. Relative contribution to the democrat party electorate.
    2. Willingness to employ violence to get their way (social media / financial deplatforming, physical threats, or street protests: wine aunts > Asians; blacks > wine aunts; Jews > blacks > wine aunts > Asians).
    3. Representation in the government and media.
    4. Relative financial contribution to the democrat party.
    5. Closeness to the enemy, white males. Atheists get the short end of that stick.
    6. IQ — invidious quotient: the amount of envy stoked among coalition members by another group’s success or valued physical characteristic.

    Example: White males > Asians > wine aunts > trans > blacks. Or, since we’re — insanely — awarding points for negative characteristics (or lack thereof), blacks > wine aunts > trans > Asians > white males. Blacks wish they could be any other demographic. Wine aunts wish they were as smart as Asians and as well liked by the menfolk. Trans wish they could be real wine aunts. White males have an amazing history of accomplishment and culture all other demographics wish they could have + lots of nice physical characteristics like blue and green eyes, different hair colors and textures + they still punch far above their weight in the United States: one white guy wrote a third of Wikipedia.

  18. There’s nothing subtle about it. Whose demands align with the establishment-desired near future wins.

    Post-Giuliani Park Slopers greatly outrank Malaysian emigrés. They outrank everybody but the descendants of the people who lived in Park Slope five generations ago, when it was the richest neighborhood in the world. If their victory has to be packaged as queer women of color over white-adjacent cis males or whatever, then it is.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    QWOCs ??
  19. You find your gay Muslims at warehouse club stores. Your Black women at big chain supermarkets. (They’ll be checking you out. My wife gets mad when they check me out and treat her like crap.)

    Somebody should read a dozen books and write 7,000 words about this, but I’ll just say we go from store to store and buy the loss leaders. Marketing schmarketing. As my wife says, “If all their customers were like us, they’d go out of business.”

    But you never, ever go cheap on lesbian Jews. They smell like old fish after three days, so you drive out of your way to a boutique fish market and pay full price.

    We get our White meat and White milk from a local farmer, grass fed. Naturally it’s expensive.

    Trader Joe’s is the best place to find single, SJW White women in yoga pants. The best rump roast.

    Not sure how all this ranks, though. Sorry.

    • LOL: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    SJW White women in yoga pants. The best rump roast.
     
    Double entendre?
    , @Known Fact
    Black women "checking you out" as in ringing up your meat -- or "checking you out" as in you are the meat?
  20. Women were favored because they are ideal subordinates who cannot fundamentally question whoever they elect as their Daddy figure. Black women were preferred because they are this plus bossiness. The pattern is, “who is now most useful to Leviathan?” Apply that to determine hierarchy.
    ———
    JESUS WEPT
    Turns out Joe Biden has a brother named Frank. Guess how we learn this.
    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/01/20/joe-bidens-brother-frank-linked-to-projects-receiving-54000000-in-taxpayer-loans-from-the-obama-administration-despite-no-experience/

  21. “One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege.”

    Are normies even aware of such a thing? Should they be? Or, maybe, this is entirely made up…

    “We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women.”

    Invented by who, exactly?

    “And it goes without saying that straight white men are at the bottom.”

    What about liberal straight white men?
    What about white straight men who have flowing manes, i.e. really good hair?
    What about white straight men who are deemed “cucks” or “anti-white” by conservative white men?

    Is there a pecking order here of those on the bottom? Asking for a friend…

    • Replies: @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.
    , @syonredux

    “One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege.”

    Are normies even aware of such a thing? Should they be? Or, maybe, this is entirely made up…

    “We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women.”

    Invented by who, exactly?

     

    On the off-chance that you actually are that stupid.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality


    What about liberal straight white men?
    What about white straight men who have flowing manes, i.e. really good hair?
    What about white straight men who are deemed “cucks” or “anti-white” by conservative white men?


     

    None of that will help them, dear fellow. The only thing that might help them is converting to Islam.....That would give them a few "oppression points"....
  22. @Barnard

    But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope?
     
    There doesn't seem to be a clear hierarchy for who picks winners and losers in intersectional disputes. I think the people involved want it that way so the internet mobs can decide each time who they want to destroy. Are black women the ultimate authority? What happens when they pick against a group like Muslim men who decide they aren't going to accept that outcome, does the coalition of the fringes finally break apart?

    This particular example is all too easy — the Muslim wins. Hierarchy is determined by the relative potential threat of violence, both literal and by proxy (i.e. ability to summon law enforcement and/or conduct civil “lawfare”).

    “That’s cause a droid don’t pull people’s arms out of their sockets when they lose.”

  23. @Ozymandias
    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man. Gay men seem to be losing Wokeman points - unless they dress as womyn.

    White male gays like “Mayo Pete” don’t count if they aren’t militant and flamboyant. Otherwise they’re just racist oppressors, with a little kink, like Cecil Rhodes or the gay Koch Brother. Similarly, a rich Saudi or Justice Thomas might as well be Mitt Romney.

  24. @LemmusLemmus
    As an alternative, consider the factorial survey technique invented by Rossi and coauthors:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vignette_(psychology)

    But…Rossi is a whore, so….

  25. “In practice, of course, it can get a little complicated playing leftist grievance poker, although it’s intriguing to consider that somewhere out there is a blind African quadruple amputee AIDS-afflicted lesbian who can win any argument just by walking into the room. You know, if she could walk.”
    Tim Blair
    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/leftwing-excuses-disgrace-the-dead/news-story/a91da336e102a539b24e1042d8258319

  26. The victim hierarchy is not really organized or coherent enough for a hard and fast ranking. Calling it a pyramid insults pyramids.

    For example homo Jews may be at the top or the very bottom depending on what direction the wind blows that day.

  27. . We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women. And it goes without saying that straight white men are at the bottom.

    Poor White Christian cis-het women; the only group that the Beckys out-rank are White Christian cis-het men…

  28. There is no fixed hierarchy, that’s a masculine thing and this is a very feminine business.

    • Replies: @TheJester

    There is no fixed hierarchy, that’s a masculine thing and this is a very feminine business.
     
    I agree. This is a feminine thing like, "Which Queen Bee and her Court are on top today?" ... or, "Which hairstyle is the hairiest today?". It's like trying to predict which way the wind will blow.

    I know this is confusing and doesn't make sense. You know, the wind blows one way in the morning ... a different way in the afternoon ... and the evening is still. In the intersectional transitions, the wind blows from every direction at once. It's a moving target.

    Sounds like time for a new well-funded university study program. How about a "weatherman" and supercomputers to sort this out ... a Ph.D. in Intersectional Analysis? This would quickly expand into being able to put a price tag on intersectional claims of victimization and oppression. The grouping with the greatest "intersection yield" (a new term) at a given moment wins.
  29. Has conjoint analysis _ever_ been used to nail down the status rank order on the Intersectional Totem Pole.

    I think this Intersectionality business might be way more complex than a mere Totem Pole ranking. First, we would need to decide on the correct scale and units of measurement. For example, we could designate “Pokeman Oppression Points” (or “POPs”) as the relevant units, where the value is determined by a scale in which a straight white male equals zero and a straight black male = 100 POPs.

    But calculating the precise POP score for each potential combination in the Intersectionality matrix could get tricky. For example, a straight white woman probably starts out at a modest 15 POP. If she goes gay that probably bumps her up to about 45. But a white male who goes gay probably jumps all the way from from 0 to 65. When “Gay” is added to Black the effect seems to be a multiplier that sends the POP score all the way to 300, or so.

    As another example, “immigrant” status adds nothing to the POP score of a straight white male and might even subtract from his POP score, putting him in negative territory. (After all, Whites are the problem, so it’s an act of oppression for a white male to add himself to the U.S. population). But a Gay-Black-Immigrant is going to be getting up around 450 POP. In short, the combinations have unique characteristics that are not merely additive.

    Initially, the POP scores for each set of Intersectional Pokeman coordinates would have to be determined based on rough empirical observations as to the amount of deference and ass-kissing which each category commands in Woke Society. But the actual relationships between the various scores may involve some rather complex exponential and logarithmic functions. So any attempt to derive a Grand Unified Theory of Pokeman Oppression Points would require some serious Woke Math.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Jmaie
    Hypnotoad666 - Multi-dimensional woke math at that. The number of points awarded will vary depending on who is making the judgment AND who is observing the result. This gives three two-dimensional scatterplots interacting, I can see it in my head but I'm incapable of producing any sort of useful visual detection.
  30. Say goodbye to La Belle France……

    Nearly One-in-Five French Newborn Boys Have Muslim or Arabic First Names

    According to French political scientist Jérôme Fourquet, the number of newborn males with Arabic or Muslim first names has increased from just one per cent in 1960, to 19 per cent today.

    Demographic shifts have also been observed among religious groups in France, with a report released last year showing that there were now as many practising Muslims in the 18- to 29-year-old demographic as practising Roman Catholics.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/18/neary-one-five-french-newborn-boys-have-muslim-names/#

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Only one-in-five? I'd have guessed closer to half, if I was speed-balling here. White Euros have barely more than one child per family. Muzzies/Arabs much more so.
  31. • Replies: @fish

    The People are against you
     
    Dats be wut Lendspunrt tolds tinys last nite during hour act o luv!
  32. @the one they call Desanex
    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    I’m thinking it was a typo on the teleprompter and she pulled a Ron Burgundy. She couldn’t auto-correct because she had never heard of Harold Lloyd.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    Those of us who are all too familiar with the speech patterns of black people know that they often pronounce d at the end of a word as t, e. g. mat for mad, bat for bad, coult for could, etc.
    , @Lurker
    Maybe not a typo? Perhaps the white guy who works for TCM who actually knows about silent movies and writes her scripts decided to slip in a little surprise on the teleprompter.
  33. @the one they call Desanex
    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman.

    Of course she is.

  34. Conjoint analysis doesn’t discover objective truth, it identifies consumer preference. To answer your question properly we need a sample of representative consumers. What sort of people are most aggressively being asked to swallow intersectionality?

  35. >But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope? Who wins?

    The overwhelming majority of Malaysian immigrants are ethnic Chinese, so they don’t get Muslim points.

    That said, my honest answer would be it is dependent on who we are talking about. The powers-that-be and the intellgentsia will likely go with the Jewish broad in private because she’s probably far more aligned with their values, even if their public rhetoric suggests otherwise. (It doesn’t help that Muslim immigrants in the US tend to be far more interested in assimilating than their European counterparts, i.e, of less value to the Cultural Bolsheviks.) Whereas the shock-arms of the Democratic Party aren’t bright enough to fine-tune their doublethink to the same degree, so they’ll go with the Malay.

  36. The mass media’s unrepentant promotion of violence against Trump supporters activates yet another suggestible person:
    https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/01/21/man-stabs-kills-pro-trump-boss-drapes-american-flag-over-him-deputies-say/

  37. @syonredux
    Say goodbye to La Belle France......


    Nearly One-in-Five French Newborn Boys Have Muslim or Arabic First Names

    According to French political scientist Jérôme Fourquet, the number of newborn males with Arabic or Muslim first names has increased from just one per cent in 1960, to 19 per cent today.
     

    Demographic shifts have also been observed among religious groups in France, with a report released last year showing that there were now as many practising Muslims in the 18- to 29-year-old demographic as practising Roman Catholics.
     
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/18/neary-one-five-french-newborn-boys-have-muslim-names/#

    Only one-in-five? I’d have guessed closer to half, if I was speed-balling here. White Euros have barely more than one child per family. Muzzies/Arabs much more so.

  38. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege."

    Are normies even aware of such a thing? Should they be? Or, maybe, this is entirely made up...

    "We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women."

    Invented by who, exactly?

    "And it goes without saying that straight white men are at the bottom."

    What about liberal straight white men?
    What about white straight men who have flowing manes, i.e. really good hair?
    What about white straight men who are deemed "cucks" or "anti-white" by conservative white men?

    Is there a pecking order here of those on the bottom? Asking for a friend...

    Invented by who, exactly?

    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it’s usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like “thank you for NOTICING” that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text...
     
    https://www.brandcrowd.com/gallery/brands/pictures/picture13680249806531.jpg
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "This has to be a bot."

    A passive-aggressive bot with the hots for Vox Day.
    , @syonredux
    I've always harbored vague notions about Corvinus being a parody account. I mean, no one is that stupid.....
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    I presume his schtick is wasting people's time (or alternatively filling the thread with crap). If one post can engender half a dozen reasoned responses he is ahead on time wasted.

    You have a 'Troll' button. Use it. As for me, my only regret is that I have but three 'Trolls' in any 12 hour period to give to Corvinus.
    , @guest
    I don't think a robot can be that specifically aggravating.
    , @Corvinus
    "Invented by who, exactly?“

    It's a fair question to ask. Mr. Sailer throws out this term as if the average American is well versed in its conception and meaning. Ask 100 normies if they ever heard of the "Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege" AND who invented this term. So who exactly came up with this word?

    "Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment."

    Are you Mitch McConnell?

    "When it does, it’s usually cut-and-paste from a website."

    You mean I offer commentary and provide citations as evidence, like the author of this fine blog and his/her fans.
    , @R.G. Camara
    Corvinus is a paid troll from either Media Matters or another Soros-funded project. He's paid to disrupt, derail, and demoralize. He should be banned, but he's so bad at his job and so transparent its amusing.
    , @Stan Adams
    Someone on a discussion board once accused me of being a leftist plant - quite possibly an FBI agent. His(?) reasoning was that my posts were so frequently off-topic, self-absorbed, and rambling that I was purposely trying to detail any serious discussion. But, no, I’m just a boring (albeit politically-incorrect) sperg.

    (That being said, if George Soros wants to cut me a check for my contributions to iSteve, I’m not too proud to cash it.)

    Whatever happened to Truth? He gave off a heavy vibe of Oreo-mulatto-trying-desperately-to-appear-authentically-black.

    I’m trying to think of a wildly off-topic tidbit to include to round out this overly-long comment. The only thing that comes to mind is that it’s 39 degrees outside right now, with a wind chill of 33. (In Miami, that’s the equivalent of a raging blizzard.)

    But, yeah, Corvinus seems like an NPC.
  39. @Paleo Liberal
    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.

    It’s nothing more than a masterbatory exercise for upper-middle class people who have the time, security, and means to engage in such self-flagellatory implicit status symbols.

    “See? We’re so much better than the Deplorable Whites who can’t do this!”

  40. How does a Muslim immigrant match up against a Jewish lesbian?

    (FRUITY FRANK GORSHIN INSANE ROMAN EMPEROR VOICE): Ahh, a perfectly delicious conundrum. How to choose…? Such a very… delicate decision. I’ve got it! I believe… that the only way to decide this very, very pressing question, is in…… the Arena. Guards! Seize them!

  41. It’s not possible to set a hierarchy in stone. The totem pole was never meant to be objective. Its subjecticeness is a feature, not a bug. It allows the Left to demonize or laud whomever necessary at any given time without locking in a hierarchy. Yaniv will be at the top of the totem pole… until he isn’t.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Exactly. There are no permanent categories, or for that matter principles with this bunch. The whole business is just an exercise in der wille zur macht.
  42. @Ozymandias
    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man. Gay men seem to be losing Wokeman points - unless they dress as womyn.

    It is because Hillary lost and they are hell bent on having a woman President. You remember the line of women waiting to leave their ” I voted” stickers at Susan B. Anthony grave on Election Day 2016. They don’t want to take a backseat to anyone in line for the White House, no matter what victim group you claim to be a part of.

  43. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, preference is based by the furthest distance from the Apex of the Totem Pole – the deified – not to mention defying – black man, and the literal if not figurative bottom of heap, the heterosexual Christian white man.
    Now we come to the nuances of ‘religion’ and ‘gender’. The basic Boolean operators here are that female trumps(!) male every time excepting the particular case when female is not black. When ‘religion’ is concerned not Christian always trumps white but not black or women. The operator ‘gay’ trumps white, but not black, trumps christian, but not non christian, but a peculiar logic gate operates with ‘women’. Here, the anti male secondary operator ‘trans’ seems to negate the operator ‘women’.

  44. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text…

  45. @the one they call Desanex
    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman.

    What do modern black women know about silence?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    You think that was loud? Ima show you loud. I ain't even raise mah voice yet.
  46. @Barnard

    But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope?
     
    There doesn't seem to be a clear hierarchy for who picks winners and losers in intersectional disputes. I think the people involved want it that way so the internet mobs can decide each time who they want to destroy. Are black women the ultimate authority? What happens when they pick against a group like Muslim men who decide they aren't going to accept that outcome, does the coalition of the fringes finally break apart?

    “Are black women the ultimate authority?”

    Eventually.

  47. Market researchers have been using conjoint analysis for generations…

    Have at it, Steve:

  48. Off topic but istevey, from today’s NYT:

    If Women Ruled the World, What Would They Wear?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/style/chanel-dior-iris-van-herpen-couture-paris.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage

    I’m expecting a follow-up article soon about how women would wear their hair if they ruled the world.

  49. @the one they call Desanex
    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    Ben Mankiewicz gives Ava DuVernay a platform on the old white people movie channel. BLV infects TCM.

  50. @Hemid
    There's nothing subtle about it. Whose demands align with the establishment-desired near future wins.

    Post-Giuliani Park Slopers greatly outrank Malaysian emigrés. They outrank everybody but the descendants of the people who lived in Park Slope five generations ago, when it was the richest neighborhood in the world. If their victory has to be packaged as queer women of color over white-adjacent cis males or whatever, then it is.

    QWOCs ??

  51. @Tiny Duck
    The People are against you

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/GOPCoverup?src=tren

    The People are against you

    Dats be wut Lendspunrt tolds tinys last nite during hour act o luv!

  52. @Ozymandias
    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man. Gay men seem to be losing Wokeman points - unless they dress as womyn.

    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/19/opinion/amy-klobuchar-elizabeth-warren-nytimes-endorsement.html
    Worth reading for the laughs. Best line:
    Senator Warren is a gifted storyteller.

  53. @Hypnotoad666

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.
     
    I'm thinking it was a typo on the teleprompter and she pulled a Ron Burgundy. She couldn't auto-correct because she had never heard of Harold Lloyd.

    Those of us who are all too familiar with the speech patterns of black people know that they often pronounce d at the end of a word as t, e. g. mat for mad, bat for bad, coult for could, etc.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    The whitest sounding news radio black announcers can be discerned by the way they put that 't' at the end. Another trick,the way they say words with 'u,' like in Chicago Bulls. It comes out 'bools.' Take 'bullshit.' As they don't fully say the 'l',it comes out a bit like 'boo-uh-shit!'
    And of course,the racists say,"sail foam."
  54. @Pop Warner
    Muslims are at the top of the Oppression Index. The response to Orlando and the myriad of rape gangs show that they're ahead of gays and women, respectively. Right now gays are out of favor but trannies are moving up the ladder ahead of even women now (white western women being some of the most oppressed people on earth, of course, so it's significant that tranny athletes take precedence)

    Since Jews have the most input in creating and editing the Index, where they fall depends entirely on whether they're whites that day. They are simultaneously at the top (as 4th generation holocaust survivors victimized by hatred of Israel and communism) and the bottom ("Harvey Weinstein is a white male!")

    “Muslims are at the top of the Oppression Index. The response to Orlando and the myriad of rape gangs show that they’re ahead of gays and women”

    We should have a decent set of data points shortly – UK feminist blogs and Guardianette writers have been completely schtum on the revelation that Manchester police looked the other way, faced with allegations of rape gangs, to prevent more Muslim rioting in 2000-2005.

    But a Devon woman has come forward to say that 40 years ago, as a 17 year old, she was gang raped by a Welsh amateur rugby team and kept quiet about it until now. I think it’s quite likely, assuming the allegation is true, that the team will soon be identified – you’d only need to look at the local papers for the relevant dates to find out who was playing friendlies in the area.

    Then I will lay “a pound to a pinch of s***“, as they say in the Black Country, that gang rape opining will become quite the journalistic thing.

  55. CNN: Corona here, vector says he was in Wuhan but did not visit the animal markets (sounds good enough for American polling place security). Trump says he wants more virulent carriers than ever before as long as they come legally. Fifty Harvard law professors have signed a petition explaining that nations do not have any right or precedent to close borders to protect against communicable diseases. One of these lines is true and it’s the one that absolute minimal government competence would have prevented.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/health/wuhan-coronavirus-first-us-case-cdc-bn/index.html

    The United States has its first confirmed case of a new virus that appeared in Wuhan, China, last month, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Tuesday. The virus has already sickened hundreds* and killed six people in Asia.

    The male patient is in isolation at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, Washington. He is a resident of Snohomish County in Washington.

    *It’s not hundreds, it’s 1700, but whatever.

  56. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    “This has to be a bot.”

    A passive-aggressive bot with the hots for Vox Day.

    • Agree: XYZ (no Mr.)
  57. @Ozymandias
    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man. Gay men seem to be losing Wokeman points - unless they dress as womyn.

    True observation. Being gay doesn’t help in academia even if you’re excellent at your STEM lecturer job but you write an article Jordan Peterson links to via Twitter:

    https://quillette.com/2020/01/11/demoted-and-placed-on-probation/

    You will obey, or you will be cancelled.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Where is the ACLU?

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It goes to show, when the Right controlled the narrative, the Left wanted free speech and the Right did not. When the Left controls the narrative, it is the other way around.

    I am too old to go against the principles I had when I was young just because freedom might benefit the Unwoke.
  58. The concept is quite simple.

    For just about any group, certain people want to distinguish themselves between the “in group” and the “out group”.

    [MORE]

    This is true for all sorts of groups. It can be technical terms which have a special meaning in a certain situation, and you have to know the terminology. For example, I have a PhD in a hard science. Non-scientists constantly misuse scientific terms. And yes, that includes posters on iSteve. Words like “theory”, “model”, etc. are often misused by non-scientists who often misunderstand what those words mean to a scientist.

    Not just professions. The same is true of certain hobbies. For example, there was a famous gambler I once had the pleasure of talking to who had the nickname X-22. He would often quack while gambling. Unless one was part of the “in crowd” for gambling, one wouldn’t know who X-22 was, or why that nickname caused him to quack.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Magriel

    My kids were involved in sports I knew nothing about beforehand. I had to learn a lot of the lingo in order to talk to my kids, coaches, etc. One time one of my kids used a very strange term, something like hitting a duck, and it turns out someone in an event accidentally hit a duck. (Not the X-22 variety). I was trying to figure out what that meant …

    Similarly, people who obsess about certain political beliefs tend to have their own lingo. For those of you on the alt-right, terms like “alt-right”, “normie”, “cuck”, etc. may be incomprehensible to anyone who doesn’t follow the alt-right. I have seriously run across people in the alt-right who didn’t know that there really isn’t a party called the Democrat Party, for example. Seriously, no such party has ever existed in the United States, but if one is a true blue conservative it is almost required to say Democrat Party.

    Religions, esp. the cult-like religions, have their own lingo. Is it Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus?

    One thing — the lingo has to actually change. That way you can tell who is currently up to speed and those who have lapsed.

    The politically correct Left does this to a great extent. Negro becomes black becomes African American becomes Afro- American becomes African American again. Colored people become minorities become People of Color. Orientals and Asiatics become Asians. And so on.

    For the PC left, it gets even more complicated. You have to KNOW what is considered racist today, which may be different from what was racist yesterday. Back in the 1990s, it was okay to support deportation of illegal aliens. Now, the term “illegal aliens” is hate speech, and can get you fined in NYC, and the um, undocumented migrants can NEVER be deported, even if they are felons. And if you didn’t know that, you are a racist.

    A lot of this is a pissing contest, to see who is more Woke and more anti-racist. Arguments can proceed.

    One of the most famous cases was a certain leader of the American Indian Movement who would drive people out of AIM for having views which differed from him. From what AIM alumni have told me, he would yell and scream and say these people were Not Real Indians. Turns out the guy was Indian the way Elizabeth Warren is Indian. He wound up on the faculty of some college in Denver. I forget his name and I haven’t been able to find it with Google.

    Long story short — the whole point of this is to somehow yell and scream enough so that YOU are on the top, and everyone else is below you on the totem pole. There cannot be a fixed hierarchy, because that would prevent some new person rising to the top on the basis of their intersectionality.

    I hope that clears everything up.

  59. I know you’re probably writing this tongue-in-cheek, but a conjoint analysis assumes a rational and stable ordering. The left doesn’t have that, it’s just a loose and highly unstable alliance of people who want more power and status than they’ve earned.

    Whoever is most useful to the cause at any given moment is the highest ranked. Thus they are willing to close ranks around an old white man like Joe Biden while shunning and ostracizing a woman of color like Tulsi Gabbard, when intersectional analysis would dictate otherwise. That should tell you that intersectionality is an ad hoc justification, not a real doctrine.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Close.

    Sometimes it is whoever yells the loudest or gets the biggest group of supporters wins. See Lenin, V. I.
  60. The concept you’re looking for is multiplayer Nash equilibrium. It’s computationally intractable, hence the constant intersectional squabbles.
    https://posttenuretourettes.wordpress.com/2017/05/07/intersectionality/

  61. @ChrisZ
    Nobody likes them, true; but somehow they manage to get their way again and again.

    It’s the magical power of living in the city. Cities are the cultural/political/economic centers of any civilization. Takes 10x more political capital to organize the rural provinces than a city. (Sorry James Bryan, but cities run the show.)

    The white man lost his place as king when overthrown by the black urban gangsta during the white flight 1960s-1970s. He’s been in anguish ever since. The one unifying aspect of the Coalition of the Fringes is there urban residence. If you wanna take back the country, you must take back the city (or at least burn it anew like Kings Landing.)

  62. @Michael S
    I know you're probably writing this tongue-in-cheek, but a conjoint analysis assumes a rational and stable ordering. The left doesn't have that, it's just a loose and highly unstable alliance of people who want more power and status than they've earned.

    Whoever is most useful to the cause at any given moment is the highest ranked. Thus they are willing to close ranks around an old white man like Joe Biden while shunning and ostracizing a woman of color like Tulsi Gabbard, when intersectional analysis would dictate otherwise. That should tell you that intersectionality is an ad hoc justification, not a real doctrine.

    Close.

    Sometimes it is whoever yells the loudest or gets the biggest group of supporters wins. See Lenin, V. I.

  63. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    I’ve always harbored vague notions about Corvinus being a parody account. I mean, no one is that stupid…..

  64. OT but are you looking into this Angola corruption story? There seem to be a lot of parallels between dos Santos and Jho Low, the subject of Tom Wright and Bradley Hope’s book Billion Dollar Whale , another story of Third World corruption that you blogged about.

    The mutual connections between Western consulting companies, law firms, and celebrities like Paris Hilton and Leonardo DiCaprio, both of whom figured prominently in Jho Low’s story, are all uncanny.

    Also interesting is dos Santos’ complicated family history. Her mother was Russian. She married the son of a Congolese millionaire and his Danish wife.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_dos_Santos

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindika_Dokolo

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    OT but are you looking into this Angola corruption story?
     
    Saw this last night...

    Documents reveal how 'Africa's richest woman' stole fortune from her country
    https://www.france24.com/en/20200120-documents-reveal-how-africa-s-richest-woman-stole-fortune-from-her-country

    The group said its team of 120 reporters in 20 countries was able to trace "how an army of Western financial firms, lawyers, accountants, government officials and management companies helped (dos Santos and Dokolo) hide assets from tax authorities".

    Dos Santos took to Twitter to refute the claims, launching a salvo of around 30 tweets in Portuguese and English, and accusing journalists involved in the investigation of telling "lies".

    "My fortune is built on my character, my intelligence, education, capacity for work, perseverance," she wrote.

    She also blasted "the racism and prejudice" of SIC-Expresso, a Portuguese TV station and newspaper, and member of the ICIJ, "that recall the colonial era when an African could never be considered equal to a European".
     
    So, this cupcake is as tedious and tiresome as the rest of them. She's also one of the less attractive Coudenhove-Kalergi posterchildren, 3/10 WNB!
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Looks like Woke Capital is abandoning Dos Santos pdq. PwC, who seem to have pretty much run her business empire, are crapping themselves.

    The documents suggest PwC, one of the big four global accountancy firms, acted as auditor, consultant and tax adviser to companies controlled by Dos Santos and her husband in Switzerland, Malta, the Netherlands and Angola. According to the New York Times, another ICIJ partner, PwC worked with 20 of their companies.

    Moritz said that from a reputational perspective, the Dos Santos story was the worst thing to have happened to PwC under his chairmanship, but he believed it was an exception and not the norm.

    The company, which made millions from its work for Dos Santos, previously said it was terminating any work for entities controlled by members of her family “in response to the very serious and concerning allegations”
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/21/heads-could-roll-pwc-isabel-dos-santos-links-chairman-luanda-leaks

    "On Monday a Portuguese bank part-owned by Dos Santos announced that she and her associates had been banned as customers. After being shut out by some of the world’s biggest banks, Dos Santos had been relying increasingly on Eurobic, in which she holds a 42.5% stake, to move money.

    Eurobic issued a statement distancing itself from its main shareholder. Citing the Luanda Leaks, and the “public perception that this bank may not entirely fulfil its obligations” because Dos Santos was a shareholder, Eurobic said its board had decided to “terminate the commercial relationship with entities controlled by [Dos Santos] and people closely related [to her]”."
     
  65. The woke ranking ambiguity serves two purposes. For the white male, the ambiguity is like a minefield – because you don’t quite know the rules work, the next career-ending mistake could come at any time with any misstep. For the woke, the ambiguity serves to keep “the conversation” going, thus giving the Resentment Industry endless fuel.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  66. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    I presume his schtick is wasting people’s time (or alternatively filling the thread with crap). If one post can engender half a dozen reasoned responses he is ahead on time wasted.

    You have a ‘Troll’ button. Use it. As for me, my only regret is that I have but three ‘Trolls’ in any 12 hour period to give to Corvinus.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Corvinus cannot waste your time if you remove your time to better concerns.
    https://postimg.cc/v179rdLq
    , @Corvinus
    "I presume his schtick is wasting people’s time (or alternatively filling the thread with crap)."

    Actually, I am here for good old fashioned debate. You should try it sometime rather than press a button and be a slave to confirmation bias.
  67. @Buzz Mohawk
    You find your gay Muslims at warehouse club stores. Your Black women at big chain supermarkets. (They'll be checking you out. My wife gets mad when they check me out and treat her like crap.)

    Somebody should read a dozen books and write 7,000 words about this, but I'll just say we go from store to store and buy the loss leaders. Marketing schmarketing. As my wife says, "If all their customers were like us, they'd go out of business."

    But you never, ever go cheap on lesbian Jews. They smell like old fish after three days, so you drive out of your way to a boutique fish market and pay full price.

    We get our White meat and White milk from a local farmer, grass fed. Naturally it's expensive.

    Trader Joe's is the best place to find single, SJW White women in yoga pants. The best rump roast.

    Not sure how all this ranks, though. Sorry.

    SJW White women in yoga pants. The best rump roast.

    Double entendre?

  68. @the one they call Desanex
    Those of us who are all too familiar with the speech patterns of black people know that they often pronounce d at the end of a word as t, e. g. mat for mad, bat for bad, coult for could, etc.

    The whitest sounding news radio black announcers can be discerned by the way they put that ‘t’ at the end. Another trick,the way they say words with ‘u,’ like in Chicago Bulls. It comes out ‘bools.’ Take ‘bullshit.’ As they don’t fully say the ‘l’,it comes out a bit like ‘boo-uh-shit!’
    And of course,the racists say,”sail foam.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The whitest sounding news radio black announcers can be discerned by the way they put that ‘t’ at the end.
     
    Well, the Germans and Russians do the same. That's mighty white of them.


    https://www.dummies.com/languages/german/basic-german-pronouncing-consonants/

    https://www.russianpod101.com/russian-pronunciation/#content-3

    (The Danes, being contrarian, tend to the opposite, voicing unvoiced consonants. As do Somalis and even Americans-- just a "liddle".)The

    And of course,the racists say,”sail foam.”
     
    https://theaudl.com/sites/default/files/70940190_814254985639094_2020629650018926592_n.jpg
    , @Known Fact
    Look out for da Bool!

    https://youtu.be/LONDOy3WdHE
  69. they need an intersectional video game

  70. Just when I start to wonder who came up with the term “intersectional” and why, I remember the kind of person who’s into that kind of thing seeks to cloud reason instead of clarify reality. The point of intersection is to be confusing, Steve, not to establish a hierarchy upon which everyone may agree.

    They choose to focus on where things come together, clash, and overlap. Because that’s where the action is for them. That’s where things happen, theoretically. Not actually, but in their minds temporarily, until the next fancy carries them away.

    Talky-talkie could be about which group or aspect gets priority over what. Action-action actually decides. Who do we see ascend to alpha position in the Thunderdome?

    Race: black. (In some cases something else, depending on prevailing local conditions)

    Class: who cares (no one cares about class anymore)

    Gender: trans or generally confused

    Citizenship status: illegal (or, failing that, simply non-)

    Means of getting rocks off: lesbianism (recently male homosexuals, but they rested on their laurels)

    Medical condition: general infeebledness (preferably from birth, or as result of hate injury)

    Mental health: nonexistent

    Therefore, we may conclude that atop the pyramid sits Queen Trans-Lesbian Negress Illegal African Immigrant Quadriplegic Autistic Depression-sufferer with big hair no one can touch.

  71. @Paleo Liberal
    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.

    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.

  72. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    I don’t think a robot can be that specifically aggravating.

  73. @Paleo Liberal
    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.

    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    But of course.

    Merge the Ministry of Silly Walks with the Upper Class Twit of the Year and you have the perfect Privilege Walk.
  74. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    “Invented by who, exactly?“

    It’s a fair question to ask. Mr. Sailer throws out this term as if the average American is well versed in its conception and meaning. Ask 100 normies if they ever heard of the “Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege” AND who invented this term. So who exactly came up with this word?

    “Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment.”

    Are you Mitch McConnell?

    “When it does, it’s usually cut-and-paste from a website.”

    You mean I offer commentary and provide citations as evidence, like the author of this fine blog and his/her fans.

    • Replies: @Patrick in SC
    “Invented by who, exactly?“

    It’s a fair question to ask. Mr. Sailer throws out this term as if the average American is well versed in its conception and meaning. Ask 100 normies if they ever heard of the “Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege” AND who invented this term. So who exactly came up with this word?

    So unless your "average American" is well-versed in something, it doesn't exist or is unworthy of appreciation or comment? We can't talk about it? And who gives a rat's ass "who came up with it"?

    Great "arguments" Socrates.

    So I guess the biological categories we learn in high school - Kingdom, Phylum, Genus, Species, etc. - are invalid or don't exist because most humans forget about them after high school. Or, maybe they're invalid because the animals themselves aren't aware of their respective classifications?

    We're making fun of liberals with the added bonus that it's a fun mental exercise.

    Just because most people aren't in our joke doesn't make it less funny or less valid.

    , @Jim Christian

    You mean I offer commentary and provide citations as evidence, like the author of this fine blog and his/her fans.
     
    You offer little. That you missed the Pokemon Oppression Points in your comment proves you aren't an ISteve guy, you're just a droolie-trollie offer-nothing kinda guy. Or girl. Or whatever you are. Now go, Corvanus, move to your best work. Go to the beach, squat and count the sand, one grain at a time, let us know when you're done. It is in this that your greatest value is found.
  75. @YetAnotherAnon
    I presume his schtick is wasting people's time (or alternatively filling the thread with crap). If one post can engender half a dozen reasoned responses he is ahead on time wasted.

    You have a 'Troll' button. Use it. As for me, my only regret is that I have but three 'Trolls' in any 12 hour period to give to Corvinus.

    Corvinus cannot waste your time if you remove your time to better concerns.
    https://postimg.cc/v179rdLq

  76. @Paleo Liberal
    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.

    Where does the “pimp roll” fit in?

  77. @YetAnotherAnon
    I presume his schtick is wasting people's time (or alternatively filling the thread with crap). If one post can engender half a dozen reasoned responses he is ahead on time wasted.

    You have a 'Troll' button. Use it. As for me, my only regret is that I have but three 'Trolls' in any 12 hour period to give to Corvinus.

    “I presume his schtick is wasting people’s time (or alternatively filling the thread with crap).”

    Actually, I am here for good old fashioned debate. You should try it sometime rather than press a button and be a slave to confirmation bias.

  78. You don’t use market research to decide which baseball team is the best, and you don’t use it to see who wins the Oppression Olympics.

  79. @McFly
    OT but are you looking into this Angola corruption story? There seem to be a lot of parallels between dos Santos and Jho Low, the subject of Tom Wright and Bradley Hope's book Billion Dollar Whale , another story of Third World corruption that you blogged about.

    The mutual connections between Western consulting companies, law firms, and celebrities like Paris Hilton and Leonardo DiCaprio, both of whom figured prominently in Jho Low's story, are all uncanny.

    Also interesting is dos Santos' complicated family history. Her mother was Russian. She married the son of a Congolese millionaire and his Danish wife.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_dos_Santos

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindika_Dokolo

    OT but are you looking into this Angola corruption story?

    Saw this last night…

    Documents reveal how ‘Africa’s richest woman’ stole fortune from her country
    https://www.france24.com/en/20200120-documents-reveal-how-africa-s-richest-woman-stole-fortune-from-her-country

    The group said its team of 120 reporters in 20 countries was able to trace “how an army of Western financial firms, lawyers, accountants, government officials and management companies helped (dos Santos and Dokolo) hide assets from tax authorities”.

    Dos Santos took to Twitter to refute the claims, launching a salvo of around 30 tweets in Portuguese and English, and accusing journalists involved in the investigation of telling “lies”.

    “My fortune is built on my character, my intelligence, education, capacity for work, perseverance,” she wrote.

    She also blasted “the racism and prejudice” of SIC-Expresso, a Portuguese TV station and newspaper, and member of the ICIJ, “that recall the colonial era when an African could never be considered equal to a European”.

    So, this cupcake is as tedious and tiresome as the rest of them. She’s also one of the less attractive Coudenhove-Kalergi posterchildren, 3/10 WNB!

  80. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:

    The closest thing to an attempt to quantify this that I’m aware of is the “progressive stack.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack

    The progressive stack is a technique used to give marginalized groups a greater chance to speak. It is sometimes an introduction to, or stepping stone to, consensus decision-making in which simple majorities have less power. The technique works by allowing people to speak on the basis of race, sex, and other group membership, with preference given to members of groups that are considered the most marginalized.

    In meetings that use the progressive stack, people from non-dominant groups are allowed to speak before people from dominant groups, by facilitators, or stack-keepers, urging speakers to “step forward, or step back” based on which racial, age, or gender group they belong to.

    Here’s an example of how it might be put into action:

    I believe the Democratic Socialists of America (AOC’s outfit) use this at some of their meetings. The Wiki also lists it as being used by certain branches of the Occupy movement.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    And, if I have to, White men.
     
    I'm pretty sure they'd be perfectly OK with your not calling on them in your class, Spooky. Not everyone wants to kiss your people's asses, but they do want to graduate.
  81. @Ozymandias
    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man. Gay men seem to be losing Wokeman points - unless they dress as womyn.

    Or they take puberty-blockers to save them from the horror of growing up to be gay men.

  82. @Father O'Hara
    The whitest sounding news radio black announcers can be discerned by the way they put that 't' at the end. Another trick,the way they say words with 'u,' like in Chicago Bulls. It comes out 'bools.' Take 'bullshit.' As they don't fully say the 'l',it comes out a bit like 'boo-uh-shit!'
    And of course,the racists say,"sail foam."

    The whitest sounding news radio black announcers can be discerned by the way they put that ‘t’ at the end.

    Well, the Germans and Russians do the same. That’s mighty white of them.

    https://www.dummies.com/languages/german/basic-german-pronouncing-consonants/

    https://www.russianpod101.com/russian-pronunciation/#content-3

    (The Danes, being contrarian, tend to the opposite, voicing unvoiced consonants. As do Somalis and even Americans– just a “liddle”.)The

    And of course,the racists say,”sail foam.”

  83. @McFly
    OT but are you looking into this Angola corruption story? There seem to be a lot of parallels between dos Santos and Jho Low, the subject of Tom Wright and Bradley Hope's book Billion Dollar Whale , another story of Third World corruption that you blogged about.

    The mutual connections between Western consulting companies, law firms, and celebrities like Paris Hilton and Leonardo DiCaprio, both of whom figured prominently in Jho Low's story, are all uncanny.

    Also interesting is dos Santos' complicated family history. Her mother was Russian. She married the son of a Congolese millionaire and his Danish wife.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabel_dos_Santos

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindika_Dokolo

    Looks like Woke Capital is abandoning Dos Santos pdq. PwC, who seem to have pretty much run her business empire, are crapping themselves.

    The documents suggest PwC, one of the big four global accountancy firms, acted as auditor, consultant and tax adviser to companies controlled by Dos Santos and her husband in Switzerland, Malta, the Netherlands and Angola. According to the New York Times, another ICIJ partner, PwC worked with 20 of their companies.

    Moritz said that from a reputational perspective, the Dos Santos story was the worst thing to have happened to PwC under his chairmanship, but he believed it was an exception and not the norm.

    The company, which made millions from its work for Dos Santos, previously said it was terminating any work for entities controlled by members of her family “in response to the very serious and concerning allegations”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/21/heads-could-roll-pwc-isabel-dos-santos-links-chairman-luanda-leaks

    “On Monday a Portuguese bank part-owned by Dos Santos announced that she and her associates had been banned as customers. After being shut out by some of the world’s biggest banks, Dos Santos had been relying increasingly on Eurobic, in which she holds a 42.5% stake, to move money.

    Eurobic issued a statement distancing itself from its main shareholder. Citing the Luanda Leaks, and the “public perception that this bank may not entirely fulfil its obligations” because Dos Santos was a shareholder, Eurobic said its board had decided to “terminate the commercial relationship with entities controlled by [Dos Santos] and people closely related [to her]”.”

  84. @Corvinus
    "Invented by who, exactly?“

    It's a fair question to ask. Mr. Sailer throws out this term as if the average American is well versed in its conception and meaning. Ask 100 normies if they ever heard of the "Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege" AND who invented this term. So who exactly came up with this word?

    "Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment."

    Are you Mitch McConnell?

    "When it does, it’s usually cut-and-paste from a website."

    You mean I offer commentary and provide citations as evidence, like the author of this fine blog and his/her fans.

    “Invented by who, exactly?“

    It’s a fair question to ask. Mr. Sailer throws out this term as if the average American is well versed in its conception and meaning. Ask 100 normies if they ever heard of the “Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege” AND who invented this term. So who exactly came up with this word?

    So unless your “average American” is well-versed in something, it doesn’t exist or is unworthy of appreciation or comment? We can’t talk about it? And who gives a rat’s ass “who came up with it”?

    Great “arguments” Socrates.

    So I guess the biological categories we learn in high school – Kingdom, Phylum, Genus, Species, etc. – are invalid or don’t exist because most humans forget about them after high school. Or, maybe they’re invalid because the animals themselves aren’t aware of their respective classifications?

    We’re making fun of liberals with the added bonus that it’s a fun mental exercise.

    Just because most people aren’t in our joke doesn’t make it less funny or less valid.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So unless your “average American” is well-versed in something, it doesn’t exist or is unworthy of appreciation or comment? We can’t talk about it?"

    Of course you talk about it, but don't you think there are more important things than made up concepts?

    "And who gives a rat’s ass “who came up with it”?"

    Except you just stated it's a fair question to ask.

    "Great “arguments” Socrates."

    Rhetorical is thy game. Dialectic comes later.

    "So I guess the biological categories we learn in high school – Kingdom, Phylum, Genus, Species, etc. – are invalid or don’t exist because most humans forget about them after high school. Or, maybe they’re invalid because the animals themselves aren’t aware of their respective classifications?"

    Thank you for creating a strawman, as well as a false comparison. Those concepts are real and salient. On the other hand, "Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege" to the average American means ???

    "We’re making fun of liberals with the added bonus that it’s a fun mental exercise. Just because most people aren’t in our joke doesn’t make it less funny or less valid."

    Considering that the Alt Right is in recruitment mode for normies, such "jokes" and "fun mental exercises" are elitist in nature. But whatever floats your boat...
  85. Please Clap, Part II: Electrifying Buttigiegiellieu.

  86. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    Corvinus is a paid troll from either Media Matters or another Soros-funded project. He’s paid to disrupt, derail, and demoralize. He should be banned, but he’s so bad at his job and so transparent its amusing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    As Harold Covington pointed out, and correctly, one of the fine points of revolution is not cacking or driving off those operatives of the enemy who are such incompetent nincompoops they do more harm than good to their own side.
  87. Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege

    Not sure when this term came about, but the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege plays second banana to the Sailerman’s Theory of Pokemon Oppression Points (POPs) because under POPs, on any given day, points can be added or subtracted on a moment’s political notice. The Pyramid seems to be a slower-moving transition to greater racial/sexual/gender preferences granted a given group on a given week/month/year.

    Care to comment on how the Pyramid is any more relevant than the Pokemon Points of Oppression, Steve? Or are the two theories redundant with the Pyramid being a slightly classier version of POPs?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    A website called the Dicklist used to feature "Victimhood Poker"as of 2005. Still there on Wayback.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070704231335/http://dicklist.blogspot.com/2006/07/tdl-gaming-world-series-of-victimhood.html

    The Pyramid is probably the best representation of how things work in the real world because white male Christians are at the top, and those on lower levels can be shuffled about to suit the priority of attacking white male Christians.

    There are class elements too though. The Guardian isn't bothered by thousands of working class girls being raped and pimped out by grooming gangs, but actresses being propositioned, or ballerinas having their intimate photos traded - well, can't have that.

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2020/jan/21/amar-ramasar-west-side-story-broadway-comeback-metoo

    (I knew a guy whose son was a professional dancer, started at the bottom with a small touring company that would fit in a coach, but moved on to bigger things. There are always more girls than boys, and not all of the boys are straight, so being on tour is an earthly paradise with all these fit and flexible females.)
  88. @Corvinus
    "Invented by who, exactly?“

    It's a fair question to ask. Mr. Sailer throws out this term as if the average American is well versed in its conception and meaning. Ask 100 normies if they ever heard of the "Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege" AND who invented this term. So who exactly came up with this word?

    "Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment."

    Are you Mitch McConnell?

    "When it does, it’s usually cut-and-paste from a website."

    You mean I offer commentary and provide citations as evidence, like the author of this fine blog and his/her fans.

    You mean I offer commentary and provide citations as evidence, like the author of this fine blog and his/her fans.

    You offer little. That you missed the Pokemon Oppression Points in your comment proves you aren’t an ISteve guy, you’re just a droolie-trollie offer-nothing kinda guy. Or girl. Or whatever you are. Now go, Corvanus, move to your best work. Go to the beach, squat and count the sand, one grain at a time, let us know when you’re done. It is in this that your greatest value is found.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You offer little. That you missed the Pokemon Oppression Points in your comment proves you aren’t an ISteve guy..."

    Compared to your ad hominem, I offer substantially more than your standard fare. And if you had NOTICE I didn't miss anything. I brought up a legitimate point about normie awareness levels of this "Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege" that someone yet to be identified has created.
  89. I’m going with dueling Slut Walks. Losers can, of course, sue and the most well-financed legal team wins.

  90. Meanwhile, in Squatemala:

    Migrants Waiting For Dems To Win Election Because “It Would Make Things Easier To Get In”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrants-waiting-dems-win-election-because-it-would-make-things-easier-get

    “I’ll wait for that because it would make things easier to get in.” Honduran Katherine Cabrera told researchers, adding “I want Trump out!”

    What unbelievably entitled pieces of shit.

    I just can’t wait to pay more taxes to support these leeches.

  91. @Ozymandias
    Surprisingly, the new york times endorsed the two womyn over the gay man. Gay men seem to be losing Wokeman points - unless they dress as womyn.

    Surprisingly, the New York Times endorsed the two womyn

    Wonderful! Marvelous! They should next time endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!) and all of them can then win the primary and go on to run in the general election. For added effect male Democratic voters should stay home on voting day so that future generations can honestly say our first Madam President didn’t need any man’s help to break that ultimate glass ceiling!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wonderful! Marvelous! They should next time endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!)
     
    Fibonacci alert!

    Also, a Rickrolling alert, at 4:30 in the WSJ video I posted a couple of minutes ago. (H/T to the resident tween. I, like, totally missed it. Totally.)

    , @bomag

    endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!)
     
    To aid this, we could mandate that the House of Rep be all women so even more emotion can be brought to bear on impeaching all the icky people with grrreat ceremony and pomp. Seems to be their only function lately.
  92. Is Notre Dame of Sherman Oaks, the Sailers’ alma mater, ever OT? They made the WSJ channel today:

    https://www.wsj.com/video/teens-grapple-with-social-media-burnout/0B1D22FA-CE77-49FA-A694-F633A286D725.html

    Isn’t Julie Jargon a great name for a tech journalist?

  93. @Reg Cæsar

    There are things like “Privilege Walks”, which try to measure such things.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BoIdEjdZIls

    But of course.

    Merge the Ministry of Silly Walks with the Upper Class Twit of the Year and you have the perfect Privilege Walk.

  94. @Abe

    Surprisingly, the New York Times endorsed the two womyn
     
    Wonderful! Marvelous! They should next time endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!) and all of them can then win the primary and go on to run in the general election. For added effect male Democratic voters should stay home on voting day so that future generations can honestly say our first Madam President didn’t need any man’s help to break that ultimate glass ceiling!

    Wonderful! Marvelous! They should next time endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!)

    Fibonacci alert!

    Also, a Rickrolling alert, at 4:30 in the WSJ video I posted a couple of minutes ago. (H/T to the resident tween. I, like, totally missed it. Totally.)

  95. @mmack
    True observation. Being gay doesn't help in academia even if you're excellent at your STEM lecturer job but you write an article Jordan Peterson links to via Twitter:

    https://quillette.com/2020/01/11/demoted-and-placed-on-probation/

    You will obey, or you will be cancelled.

    Where is the ACLU?

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It goes to show, when the Right controlled the narrative, the Left wanted free speech and the Right did not. When the Left controls the narrative, it is the other way around.

    I am too old to go against the principles I had when I was young just because freedom might benefit the Unwoke.

    • Replies: @anon
    Where is the ACLU?

    Same place they have always been.

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It's almost as though the ACLU was created mainly to defend Communists and other leftists.


    Remember what the ACLU did after Waco?
    , @kaganovitch
    Where is the ACLU? I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    Yes, they famously defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie ,Illinois too. One of the funnier/sadder phenomena of the last few years is watching old school or paleo liberal's disorientation in the brave new woke world. People like you and Dersh are realizing that the Left was always utterly unprincipled. In Erdogan's terms they took the rights train to their stop and they got off
  96. @Jim Christian

    You mean I offer commentary and provide citations as evidence, like the author of this fine blog and his/her fans.
     
    You offer little. That you missed the Pokemon Oppression Points in your comment proves you aren't an ISteve guy, you're just a droolie-trollie offer-nothing kinda guy. Or girl. Or whatever you are. Now go, Corvanus, move to your best work. Go to the beach, squat and count the sand, one grain at a time, let us know when you're done. It is in this that your greatest value is found.

    “You offer little. That you missed the Pokemon Oppression Points in your comment proves you aren’t an ISteve guy…”

    Compared to your ad hominem, I offer substantially more than your standard fare. And if you had NOTICE I didn’t miss anything. I brought up a legitimate point about normie awareness levels of this “Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege” that someone yet to be identified has created.

  97. @Patrick in SC
    “Invented by who, exactly?“

    It’s a fair question to ask. Mr. Sailer throws out this term as if the average American is well versed in its conception and meaning. Ask 100 normies if they ever heard of the “Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege” AND who invented this term. So who exactly came up with this word?

    So unless your "average American" is well-versed in something, it doesn't exist or is unworthy of appreciation or comment? We can't talk about it? And who gives a rat's ass "who came up with it"?

    Great "arguments" Socrates.

    So I guess the biological categories we learn in high school - Kingdom, Phylum, Genus, Species, etc. - are invalid or don't exist because most humans forget about them after high school. Or, maybe they're invalid because the animals themselves aren't aware of their respective classifications?

    We're making fun of liberals with the added bonus that it's a fun mental exercise.

    Just because most people aren't in our joke doesn't make it less funny or less valid.

    “So unless your “average American” is well-versed in something, it doesn’t exist or is unworthy of appreciation or comment? We can’t talk about it?”

    Of course you talk about it, but don’t you think there are more important things than made up concepts?

    “And who gives a rat’s ass “who came up with it”?”

    Except you just stated it’s a fair question to ask.

    “Great “arguments” Socrates.”

    Rhetorical is thy game. Dialectic comes later.

    “So I guess the biological categories we learn in high school – Kingdom, Phylum, Genus, Species, etc. – are invalid or don’t exist because most humans forget about them after high school. Or, maybe they’re invalid because the animals themselves aren’t aware of their respective classifications?”

    Thank you for creating a strawman, as well as a false comparison. Those concepts are real and salient. On the other hand, “Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege” to the average American means ???

    “We’re making fun of liberals with the added bonus that it’s a fun mental exercise. Just because most people aren’t in our joke doesn’t make it less funny or less valid.”

    Considering that the Alt Right is in recruitment mode for normies, such “jokes” and “fun mental exercises” are elitist in nature. But whatever floats your boat…

    • Replies: @miss marple
    I heard there was a serial killer on the loose who has been targeting people who use the term "normies".
  98. @Lot
    The answer to this and many similar questions is “Shut up racist.”

    The answer to this and many similar questions is “Shut up racist.”

    Yes.

    All anyone needs to know is White people Bad. Not White people Good.

    • Replies: @Realist

    All anyone needs to know is White people Bad. Not White people Good.
     
    What is the solution?
  99. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    Where is the ACLU?

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It goes to show, when the Right controlled the narrative, the Left wanted free speech and the Right did not. When the Left controls the narrative, it is the other way around.

    I am too old to go against the principles I had when I was young just because freedom might benefit the Unwoke.

    Where is the ACLU?

    Same place they have always been.

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It’s almost as though the ACLU was created mainly to defend Communists and other leftists.

    Remember what the ACLU did after Waco?

    • Replies: @anon
    To answer my own rhetorical question, "Remember what the ACLU did after Waco?" I shall call upon Sherlock Holmes in The Adventure of Silver Blaze.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUhBd74ZvPM

    QED.
    , @donvonburg

    It’s almost as though the ACLU was created mainly to defend Communists and other leftists.
     
    It actually was created by communists. They played along and defended the "Skokie Nazis" for propaganda purposes when the Skokie "Nazis" actually were an own goal for the racial Right anyway-what, did they think they were going to convert Skokieites to their views?-but when that became unnecessary they simply stopped doing that.

    Leftists are without principles in the sense that normal and decent people use the term.

    Not that I am an admirer of Hitler or the NSDAP-I am not-but I have to point out that uniforms, armbands with crinklejammer symbols, and marching around were what Hitler and his operation did because that was what all groups in Germany back then did. Doing that in the United States now is like a rock band wearing matching cardigans or Nehru jackets and DA haircuts today or the nurses in a modern hospital wearing white midi-skirts and those white hair pieces like Julie London in Emergency. It marks you as nutty.

    Goofy get-ups are not the done thing anymore. Any white movement that actually makes people think and does not come off as idiotic is a serious menace to the left and can expect to be dealt with severely and unfairly. That was true then and it is more true now.
  100. I understand that here “The Intersectional Totem Pole” is only a casual figure of speech. But has anyone actually developed the relation between totemism and postmodern victimism? Taboo must also be part of this story. E.g., which people can say certain words or make certain gestures without severe censure-

    On the other side, one could claim, in answer to your question, that the central goal of victimism is to prevent direct resolution of the question of which victim group is the Greatest Victim. Perhaps the oldest such tension of this type is between blacks and Jews, but now there are many. The answer is Anger – politics is not about who you like, it’s about who you hate and fear. I give Murray Chotiner credit for that insight about America.

  101. @Anonymous
    The closest thing to an attempt to quantify this that I'm aware of is the "progressive stack."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack

    The progressive stack is a technique used to give marginalized groups a greater chance to speak. It is sometimes an introduction to, or stepping stone to, consensus decision-making in which simple majorities have less power. The technique works by allowing people to speak on the basis of race, sex, and other group membership, with preference given to members of groups that are considered the most marginalized.
     

    In meetings that use the progressive stack, people from non-dominant groups are allowed to speak before people from dominant groups, by facilitators, or stack-keepers, urging speakers to "step forward, or step back" based on which racial, age, or gender group they belong to.
     
    Here's an example of how it might be put into action:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Stephanie-McKellop-Tweet-White-Men-Last.jpg

    I believe the Democratic Socialists of America (AOC's outfit) use this at some of their meetings. The Wiki also lists it as being used by certain branches of the Occupy movement.

    And, if I have to, White men.

    I’m pretty sure they’d be perfectly OK with your not calling on them in your class, Spooky. Not everyone wants to kiss your people’s asses, but they do want to graduate.

  102. If Steve’s not into podcasts then The Joe Rogan Experience will definitely be out (though if you ever have three hours and run out of RiffTrax you owe it to yourself to watch the first appearance of Alex Jones, where Joe hands him a modified cigarette). I find Rogan to be right on the edge of insufferable even if I agree with whatever’s being mumbled. One of the reasons I adore Razorfist is that Razorfist’s videos are properly put together: brief, well thought out, beaitifully spoken, written in advance, and practiced — the opposite of the lazy, clumsy, time-wasting, inexact informality one generally sees, and which with Rogan is a deliberate style. There’s a Canuck MGTOW with interesting information and relevant stories, but he literally delivers every single sentence, in forty minute videos, in this sort of male version of uptalking, where he’s kind of sneering but not really.
    But here’s the thing. Rogan’s last guest was Bari Weiss, and she was a flaming disaster.

  103. @R.G. Camara
    Corvinus is a paid troll from either Media Matters or another Soros-funded project. He's paid to disrupt, derail, and demoralize. He should be banned, but he's so bad at his job and so transparent its amusing.

    As Harold Covington pointed out, and correctly, one of the fine points of revolution is not cacking or driving off those operatives of the enemy who are such incompetent nincompoops they do more harm than good to their own side.

  104. How about a privilege gambling, oh, excuse me!, gaming program to sort this shit out, Steve? We all know that people will try their best to get it right when they’ve got money riding on it.

    Is there some way Mr. Unz could run a program like this, possibly from off-shore servers located on floating shipping containers in international waters? Mr. Unz, instead of asking commenters to pony up their hard-earned cash, how about something like this? Bets could be booked on all types of intersectional conflicts in all walks of life, as documented on twitter.

    Of course, 30% of the money should be donated to the government schools, FOR THE CHILDREN.

    “C’mon, BLT! I just know she’s got it in her. She loves the slop. Her father was a mudder. Her mother was a mudder…”

  105. @Hypnotoad666

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.
     
    I'm thinking it was a typo on the teleprompter and she pulled a Ron Burgundy. She couldn't auto-correct because she had never heard of Harold Lloyd.

    Maybe not a typo? Perhaps the white guy who works for TCM who actually knows about silent movies and writes her scripts decided to slip in a little surprise on the teleprompter.

  106. @the one they call Desanex
    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    Ha! The last one was a Latinix named Tiffany who wore vintage dresses that didn’t fit right. The preservers of classical music are also playing this game.

  107. @Corvinus
    "So unless your “average American” is well-versed in something, it doesn’t exist or is unworthy of appreciation or comment? We can’t talk about it?"

    Of course you talk about it, but don't you think there are more important things than made up concepts?

    "And who gives a rat’s ass “who came up with it”?"

    Except you just stated it's a fair question to ask.

    "Great “arguments” Socrates."

    Rhetorical is thy game. Dialectic comes later.

    "So I guess the biological categories we learn in high school – Kingdom, Phylum, Genus, Species, etc. – are invalid or don’t exist because most humans forget about them after high school. Or, maybe they’re invalid because the animals themselves aren’t aware of their respective classifications?"

    Thank you for creating a strawman, as well as a false comparison. Those concepts are real and salient. On the other hand, "Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege" to the average American means ???

    "We’re making fun of liberals with the added bonus that it’s a fun mental exercise. Just because most people aren’t in our joke doesn’t make it less funny or less valid."

    Considering that the Alt Right is in recruitment mode for normies, such "jokes" and "fun mental exercises" are elitist in nature. But whatever floats your boat...

    I heard there was a serial killer on the loose who has been targeting people who use the term “normies”.

  108. Lesbians (at least “cisgendered” ones) are a step below trannies now. “Cotton ceiling” and all that.

    Incidentally, I have a sense lesbianism qua lesbianism might be trending towards becoming more of a femme, girly-girl persuasion. The butch ones seem increasingly likely to become FTM trannies or some kind of “genderqueer/non-binary” alphabet soup thing, where they technically wouldn’t be considered “lesbians” anymore within the bizarro-world logic of transgenderism. I’ll be laughing at the irony if in five years, the only “lesbians” are flighty e-girls and MTF trannies, and the bulldykes have all become “men” or “theys.”

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    So thanks to the 57 Genders movement there will have to be an intricate intersectionality ranking just to sort out all these tiny slivers of warped sexual identity -- and their potential political power is being splintered rather than coalescing
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Speaking of lezzies, the NYT is positively ga-ga you can now have a Michelin-starred rustic getaway experience in the backwoods of Michigan with a lesbian chef and her wife:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/dining/iliana-regan-milkweed-inn.html

    Ms. Regan is a 40-year-old chef from Indiana with a Michelin star who last summer published “Burn the Place,” perhaps the definitive Midwest drunken-lesbian food memoir. On its cover, the chef David Chang calls her one of the best chefs he has ever known.
     

    Her Minnesota Vikings beanie is pretty gauche. Everyone knows the UP is Green Bay Packer territory.
  109. @guest
    Just when I start to wonder who came up with the term "intersectional" and why, I remember the kind of person who's into that kind of thing seeks to cloud reason instead of clarify reality. The point of intersection is to be confusing, Steve, not to establish a hierarchy upon which everyone may agree.

    https://fthmb.tqn.com/7Tkh35m-MWlzBkpbLJgPLPykyWc=/2251x1080/filters:fill(auto,1)/flashcards-_intersectionality1323387834491-56a8a0665f9b58b7d0f3ba3e.png

    They choose to focus on where things come together, clash, and overlap. Because that's where the action is for them. That's where things happen, theoretically. Not actually, but in their minds temporarily, until the next fancy carries them away.

    Talky-talkie could be about which group or aspect gets priority over what. Action-action actually decides. Who do we see ascend to alpha position in the Thunderdome?

    Race: black. (In some cases something else, depending on prevailing local conditions)

    Class: who cares (no one cares about class anymore)

    Gender: trans or generally confused

    Citizenship status: illegal (or, failing that, simply non-)

    Means of getting rocks off: lesbianism (recently male homosexuals, but they rested on their laurels)

    Medical condition: general infeebledness (preferably from birth, or as result of hate injury)

    Mental health: nonexistent


    Therefore, we may conclude that atop the pyramid sits Queen Trans-Lesbian Negress Illegal African Immigrant Quadriplegic Autistic Depression-sufferer with big hair no one can touch.

    • Agree: BB753
  110. @PseudoNhymm
    It's not possible to set a hierarchy in stone. The totem pole was never meant to be objective. Its subjecticeness is a feature, not a bug. It allows the Left to demonize or laud whomever necessary at any given time without locking in a hierarchy. Yaniv will be at the top of the totem pole... until he isn't.

    Exactly. There are no permanent categories, or for that matter principles with this bunch. The whole business is just an exercise in der wille zur macht.

    • Agree: Dissident
  111. @Reg Cæsar

    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman.
     
    What do modern black women know about silence?

    You think that was loud? Ima show you loud. I ain’t even raise mah voice yet.

  112. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    I believe Whiskey would have the correct view on the intersectionality pecking order.
    In all cases women will decide. They will be for whatever fantasy puts themselves in the arms of an Alpha male and discards the Beta males.
    Apply that rule the next time you see an intersectionality contest on the Left and see if it works.

  113. @Corvinus
    "One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege."

    Are normies even aware of such a thing? Should they be? Or, maybe, this is entirely made up...

    "We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women."

    Invented by who, exactly?

    "And it goes without saying that straight white men are at the bottom."

    What about liberal straight white men?
    What about white straight men who have flowing manes, i.e. really good hair?
    What about white straight men who are deemed "cucks" or "anti-white" by conservative white men?

    Is there a pecking order here of those on the bottom? Asking for a friend...

    “One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege.”

    Are normies even aware of such a thing? Should they be? Or, maybe, this is entirely made up…

    “We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women.”

    Invented by who, exactly?

    On the off-chance that you actually are that stupid…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

    What about liberal straight white men?
    What about white straight men who have flowing manes, i.e. really good hair?
    What about white straight men who are deemed “cucks” or “anti-white” by conservative white men?

    None of that will help them, dear fellow. The only thing that might help them is converting to Islam…..That would give them a few “oppression points”….

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I don't think so: just look at the fate of Zemir Begic.

    Wokeness truly cannot be accurately perceived as anything other than a religion. The adherents have all the sense of nuance-or humor-as you'd expect. Their attitude toward white Muslims is less hypocrisy so much as just not showing up on the mental radar, anymore than the Nestorians being on the mind of a typical 1600s Presbyterian.

    , @Corvinus
    "On the off-chance that you actually are that stupid…."

    Just because the term appears on wikipedia does not mean that normies are aware of its origins and purpose. Try harder next time.

    "None of that will help them, dear fellow."

    Assuming that normie men are personally affected by this scheme and allow themselves to be defined by outside forces.
  114. @anon
    Where is the ACLU?

    Same place they have always been.

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It's almost as though the ACLU was created mainly to defend Communists and other leftists.


    Remember what the ACLU did after Waco?

    To answer my own rhetorical question, “Remember what the ACLU did after Waco?” I shall call upon Sherlock Holmes in The Adventure of Silver Blaze.

    QED.

  115. American Dirt: why critics are calling Oprah’s book club pick exploitative and divisive

    Latino writers say Jeanine Cummins’ novel uses stereotypes and exploits the suffering of Mexican immigrants

    “It’s frustrating to see a book like this elevated by Oprah because it legitimizes and normalizes flawed and patronizing and wrong-minded thinking about the border and those who cross it.”

    Cummins, who as recently as 2016, self-identified as white and Latina (and has a Puerto Rican grandmother), likely hoped to get ahead of any questions raised about her writing and profiting off the Mexican migrant experience.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jan/21/american-dirt-controversy-trauma-jeanine-cummins

  116. @Jim Christian

    Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege
     
    Not sure when this term came about, but the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege plays second banana to the Sailerman's Theory of Pokemon Oppression Points (POPs) because under POPs, on any given day, points can be added or subtracted on a moment's political notice. The Pyramid seems to be a slower-moving transition to greater racial/sexual/gender preferences granted a given group on a given week/month/year.

    Care to comment on how the Pyramid is any more relevant than the Pokemon Points of Oppression, Steve? Or are the two theories redundant with the Pyramid being a slightly classier version of POPs?

    A website called the Dicklist used to feature “Victimhood Poker”as of 2005. Still there on Wayback.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20070704231335/http://dicklist.blogspot.com/2006/07/tdl-gaming-world-series-of-victimhood.html

    The Pyramid is probably the best representation of how things work in the real world because white male Christians are at the top, and those on lower levels can be shuffled about to suit the priority of attacking white male Christians.

    There are class elements too though. The Guardian isn’t bothered by thousands of working class girls being raped and pimped out by grooming gangs, but actresses being propositioned, or ballerinas having their intimate photos traded – well, can’t have that.

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2020/jan/21/amar-ramasar-west-side-story-broadway-comeback-metoo

    (I knew a guy whose son was a professional dancer, started at the bottom with a small touring company that would fit in a coach, but moved on to bigger things. There are always more girls than boys, and not all of the boys are straight, so being on tour is an earthly paradise with all these fit and flexible females.)

  117. @anon

    Invented by who, exactly?
     
    This has to be a bot. Seriously. All it ever does is pick out small bits of text and ask general questions in response. Very rarely does it actually contribute an original comment. When it does, it's usually cut-and-paste from a website. It also has a few catchphrases like "thank you for NOTICING" that someone must have programmed into it for variety.

    Someone on a discussion board once accused me of being a leftist plant – quite possibly an FBI agent. His(?) reasoning was that my posts were so frequently off-topic, self-absorbed, and rambling that I was purposely trying to detail any serious discussion. But, no, I’m just a boring (albeit politically-incorrect) sperg.

    (That being said, if George Soros wants to cut me a check for my contributions to iSteve, I’m not too proud to cash it.)

    Whatever happened to Truth? He gave off a heavy vibe of Oreo-mulatto-trying-desperately-to-appear-authentically-black.

    I’m trying to think of a wildly off-topic tidbit to include to round out this overly-long comment. The only thing that comes to mind is that it’s 39 degrees outside right now, with a wind chill of 33. (In Miami, that’s the equivalent of a raging blizzard.)

    But, yeah, Corvinus seems like an NPC.

    • Replies: @anon
    I’m trying to think of a wildly off-topic tidbit to include to round out this overly-long comment. The only thing that comes to mind is that it’s 39 degrees outside right now, with a wind chill of 33. (In Miami, that’s the equivalent of a raging blizzard.)

    Are reptiles falling out of your trees?
    , @Anonymous
    It’s so cold in Miami, frozen iguanas falling out of trees is a hazard.
  118. @Moses

    The answer to this and many similar questions is “Shut up racist.”
     
    Yes.

    All anyone needs to know is White people Bad. Not White people Good.

    All anyone needs to know is White people Bad. Not White people Good.

    What is the solution?

    • Replies: @Moses

    What is the solution?
     
    One effective solution is separation. Different countries for different peoples.

    Keeping POC away from Whites will protect them from White racism. For example, POC could stay in their own countries where there are no White people to oppress them.

    It’s so crazy it just might work.
  119. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Raul
    isteve: But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope? Who wins?

    Jews beat gentiles as a rule.

    It’s ok to be concerned about anti-semitism in racial minority communities, and among Muslims.

    One risks being branded as an anti-semite if one expresses concern about Islamophobia or racism in the Jewish community.

    See how angry people get when Jewish ownership of black slaves is mentioned. The Lehman Trilogy avoided interrogating the brothers’ connection to slavery.

    It’s ok to be concerned about anti-semitism in racial minority communities, and among Muslims.

    Clearly you haven’t cracked the NY Times or the WaPo, or turned on CNN or MSNBC, or checked out leftist Twitter, in several years.

    They are doing everything they can to obfuscate who the perpetrators of the recent antisemitic attacks are, and, when that fails, to excuse them.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    But there are humorous lapses. In Bari Weiss's disastrous appearance on Joe Rogen's show, she bemoans that the Jews are accused of manipulation, then suggests that Rogen's MMA buddies should dress up like Haredim and troll certain neighborhoods [neighborhoods described by an adjective not used by Weiss: black].
    , @Not Raul
    How does that prove that they aren't taking anti-semitism seriously?

    They're taking it very seriously. If they weren't, they wouldn't go to so much trouble to make sure that the right people are blamed.

    How much does the media report on anti-semitism in comparison to anti-slavism, anti-catholicism, etc.?

    If those guys in New York were Irish Catholic, would the media devote so much energy to covering largely non-lethal attacks on them?
  120. @Buzz Mohawk
    You find your gay Muslims at warehouse club stores. Your Black women at big chain supermarkets. (They'll be checking you out. My wife gets mad when they check me out and treat her like crap.)

    Somebody should read a dozen books and write 7,000 words about this, but I'll just say we go from store to store and buy the loss leaders. Marketing schmarketing. As my wife says, "If all their customers were like us, they'd go out of business."

    But you never, ever go cheap on lesbian Jews. They smell like old fish after three days, so you drive out of your way to a boutique fish market and pay full price.

    We get our White meat and White milk from a local farmer, grass fed. Naturally it's expensive.

    Trader Joe's is the best place to find single, SJW White women in yoga pants. The best rump roast.

    Not sure how all this ranks, though. Sorry.

    Black women “checking you out” as in ringing up your meat — or “checking you out” as in you are the meat?

  121. @Thomas
    Lesbians (at least "cisgendered" ones) are a step below trannies now. "Cotton ceiling" and all that.

    Incidentally, I have a sense lesbianism qua lesbianism might be trending towards becoming more of a femme, girly-girl persuasion. The butch ones seem increasingly likely to become FTM trannies or some kind of "genderqueer/non-binary" alphabet soup thing, where they technically wouldn't be considered "lesbians" anymore within the bizarro-world logic of transgenderism. I'll be laughing at the irony if in five years, the only "lesbians" are flighty e-girls and MTF trannies, and the bulldykes have all become "men" or "theys."

    So thanks to the 57 Genders movement there will have to be an intricate intersectionality ranking just to sort out all these tiny slivers of warped sexual identity — and their potential political power is being splintered rather than coalescing

  122. @Paleo Liberal
    Where is the ACLU?

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It goes to show, when the Right controlled the narrative, the Left wanted free speech and the Right did not. When the Left controls the narrative, it is the other way around.

    I am too old to go against the principles I had when I was young just because freedom might benefit the Unwoke.

    Where is the ACLU? I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    Yes, they famously defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie ,Illinois too. One of the funnier/sadder phenomena of the last few years is watching old school or paleo liberal’s disorientation in the brave new woke world. People like you and Dersh are realizing that the Left was always utterly unprincipled. In Erdogan’s terms they took the rights train to their stop and they got off

    • Replies: @anon
    Yes, they famously defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie ,Illinois too

    ACLU is proud of that, it is their proof that they are not a lefty organization. So they won't stand up against Antifa thugs anywhere, so they don't have a problem with Charles Murray being assaulted, so what? 40+ years ago they defended some loons in Illinois, going to bat for Illinois Nazis to march through a heavily Jewish neighborhood. It's pathetic.

    The actual march was a strange thing, the leader was one Frank Collin who got kicked out of some other Nazi org for having a Jewish ancestor. Collin's father allegedly was a Nazi camp survivor, and claimed that his father (Collin's grandfather) was Jewish. Collin rejected his father over this, and also formed his own Nazi party - that's the group that marched in Skokie. So what do we have, a self-hating partly Jewish man (his mother was Catholic), a cynical opportunist, a messed up in the head loser? I don't know, and really don't care.

    That particular clump of Illinois Nazis apparently fell apart. Collin was busted on charges of sexual molestation of little boys and went to prison. While in prison he re-invented himself and began writing New Age stuff about Atlantis. Seriously. Frankly, I'd rather he do that, it's essentially harmless kook stuff, nobody goes around picking fights or setting buildings on fire in the name of Atlantis. Not that I know of, anyway.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

    He claims a connection between Atlantis and Wisconsin, and in the last 20 years (he's in his 70's) had a couple of books / pamphlets / something printed on that. There's a lost civilization in a lake in Wisconsin, according to Collin. Maybe someone else can check that out and get back to us?

    But the ACLU still boasts of defending his right to public speech, even as they look away from Antifa goons shutting down modern dissent. I have friends who have been involved with what they call the "Anti Christian Litigation Unit" more than once - ACLU has its own dirty laundry, it just keeps that stuff private.
  123. @Father O'Hara
    The whitest sounding news radio black announcers can be discerned by the way they put that 't' at the end. Another trick,the way they say words with 'u,' like in Chicago Bulls. It comes out 'bools.' Take 'bullshit.' As they don't fully say the 'l',it comes out a bit like 'boo-uh-shit!'
    And of course,the racists say,"sail foam."

    Look out for da Bool!

  124. • Replies: @nebulafox
    They are delusional. Their European and Israeli co-religionists aren't.
  125. @Hypnotoad666

    Has conjoint analysis _ever_ been used to nail down the status rank order on the Intersectional Totem Pole.
     
    I think this Intersectionality business might be way more complex than a mere Totem Pole ranking. First, we would need to decide on the correct scale and units of measurement. For example, we could designate "Pokeman Oppression Points" (or "POPs") as the relevant units, where the value is determined by a scale in which a straight white male equals zero and a straight black male = 100 POPs.

    But calculating the precise POP score for each potential combination in the Intersectionality matrix could get tricky. For example, a straight white woman probably starts out at a modest 15 POP. If she goes gay that probably bumps her up to about 45. But a white male who goes gay probably jumps all the way from from 0 to 65. When "Gay" is added to Black the effect seems to be a multiplier that sends the POP score all the way to 300, or so.

    As another example, "immigrant" status adds nothing to the POP score of a straight white male and might even subtract from his POP score, putting him in negative territory. (After all, Whites are the problem, so it's an act of oppression for a white male to add himself to the U.S. population). But a Gay-Black-Immigrant is going to be getting up around 450 POP. In short, the combinations have unique characteristics that are not merely additive.

    Initially, the POP scores for each set of Intersectional Pokeman coordinates would have to be determined based on rough empirical observations as to the amount of deference and ass-kissing which each category commands in Woke Society. But the actual relationships between the various scores may involve some rather complex exponential and logarithmic functions. So any attempt to derive a Grand Unified Theory of Pokeman Oppression Points would require some serious Woke Math.

    Hypnotoad666 – Multi-dimensional woke math at that. The number of points awarded will vary depending on who is making the judgment AND who is observing the result. This gives three two-dimensional scatterplots interacting, I can see it in my head but I’m incapable of producing any sort of useful visual detection.

  126. A while back I was talking with some young college-grad SJW zombie, and I asked him to explain to me this whole confusing “intersectionality” business. Which he did. To which I then replied, “So in other words it’s just like those Venn diagrams, the ones they taught you in second grade. He said, “No no, it’s much more sophisticated than that.” I said “Okay, guess I missed something, explain it again.” So, he explained it again, and I told him “No, it’s exactly the same as Venn diagrams. Your social analysis is based on a tool from second grade.”

    Guess blacks don’t learn Venn diagrams until grad school.

  127. @syonredux

    “One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege.”

    Are normies even aware of such a thing? Should they be? Or, maybe, this is entirely made up…

    “We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women.”

    Invented by who, exactly?

     

    On the off-chance that you actually are that stupid.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality


    What about liberal straight white men?
    What about white straight men who have flowing manes, i.e. really good hair?
    What about white straight men who are deemed “cucks” or “anti-white” by conservative white men?


     

    None of that will help them, dear fellow. The only thing that might help them is converting to Islam.....That would give them a few "oppression points"....

    I don’t think so: just look at the fate of Zemir Begic.

    Wokeness truly cannot be accurately perceived as anything other than a religion. The adherents have all the sense of nuance-or humor-as you’d expect. Their attitude toward white Muslims is less hypocrisy so much as just not showing up on the mental radar, anymore than the Nestorians being on the mind of a typical 1600s Presbyterian.

  128. @IHTG
    There is no fixed hierarchy, that's a masculine thing and this is a very feminine business.

    There is no fixed hierarchy, that’s a masculine thing and this is a very feminine business.

    I agree. This is a feminine thing like, “Which Queen Bee and her Court are on top today?” … or, “Which hairstyle is the hairiest today?”. It’s like trying to predict which way the wind will blow.

    I know this is confusing and doesn’t make sense. You know, the wind blows one way in the morning … a different way in the afternoon … and the evening is still. In the intersectional transitions, the wind blows from every direction at once. It’s a moving target.

    Sounds like time for a new well-funded university study program. How about a “weatherman” and supercomputers to sort this out … a Ph.D. in Intersectional Analysis? This would quickly expand into being able to put a price tag on intersectional claims of victimization and oppression. The grouping with the greatest “intersection yield” (a new term) at a given moment wins.

  129. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/1218226870073856001

    https://twitter.com/Rongwrong_/status/1218223371974008833

    They are delusional. Their European and Israeli co-religionists aren’t.

  130. @Thomas
    Lesbians (at least "cisgendered" ones) are a step below trannies now. "Cotton ceiling" and all that.

    Incidentally, I have a sense lesbianism qua lesbianism might be trending towards becoming more of a femme, girly-girl persuasion. The butch ones seem increasingly likely to become FTM trannies or some kind of "genderqueer/non-binary" alphabet soup thing, where they technically wouldn't be considered "lesbians" anymore within the bizarro-world logic of transgenderism. I'll be laughing at the irony if in five years, the only "lesbians" are flighty e-girls and MTF trannies, and the bulldykes have all become "men" or "theys."

    Speaking of lezzies, the NYT is positively ga-ga you can now have a Michelin-starred rustic getaway experience in the backwoods of Michigan with a lesbian chef and her wife:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/dining/iliana-regan-milkweed-inn.html

    Ms. Regan is a 40-year-old chef from Indiana with a Michelin star who last summer published “Burn the Place,” perhaps the definitive Midwest drunken-lesbian food memoir. On its cover, the chef David Chang calls her one of the best chefs he has ever known.

    Her Minnesota Vikings beanie is pretty gauche. Everyone knows the UP is Green Bay Packer territory.

  131. @Not Raul
    isteve: But what about more subtle questions like how does a Muslim immigrant straight man from a fairly white-adjacent place like Malaysia match up with a Jewish lesbian from Park Slope? Who wins?

    Jews beat gentiles as a rule.

    It’s ok to be concerned about anti-semitism in racial minority communities, and among Muslims.

    One risks being branded as an anti-semite if one expresses concern about Islamophobia or racism in the Jewish community.

    See how angry people get when Jewish ownership of black slaves is mentioned. The Lehman Trilogy avoided interrogating the brothers’ connection to slavery.

    Jews get angry because 90% arrived after the slave era and 99% of slave owners were not Jewish so it’s kind of funny to be bringing up the few Jewish ones.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Jews get angry because 90% arrived after the slave era and 99% of slave owners were not Jewish so it’s kind of funny to be bringing up the few Jewish ones.
     
    Jews get angry because they want to be seen as innocent victims.....





    NEW YORK’S PRO-SLAVERY RABBI

    Next week, thousands of people will crowd into Congregation B’nai Jeshurun at 88th Street in Manhattan for Kol Nidre services. It’s a safe bet that the rabbis at one of the country’s most politically progressive synagogues will sermonize about social justice, the stagnant Israeli-Palestinian peace process, or the upcoming presidential election: After all, this is a congregation that hung an anti-torture banner in the sanctuary during the Bush Administration.

     


    B’nai Jeshurun is justly proud of its liberal pedigree—and a look at the synagogue’s website indicates that it has always been on the right side of history. The synagogue was formed in 1824-25 when a group of Ashkenazi members of Shearith Israel, which had been New York’s only synagogue for nearly 100 years, split off to create a fully egalitarian community by drastically lowering required contributions and instituting an executive committee whose membership rotated every three months. Rabbi Israel Goldstein carried that mantle in the first half of the 20th century, and later the synagogue hosted Eleanor Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, and Abraham Joshua Heschel.

     


    But missing from this history is the congregation’s first prominent spiritual leader: Rabbi Morris Raphall. A celebrated biblical and rabbinic scholar, during the mid-1800s Raphall was the leading rabbi not only in New York—then the home of a quarter of the nation’s Jews—but in the country. He lectured extensively across the United States and was the only rabbi prior to the Civil War to be invited to make a congressional benediction. So, why has B’nai Jeshurun all but forgotten him?

     


    Perhaps because Raphall was an outspoken proponent of slavery.
     

    Raphall stood in his sanctuary on that blustery Friday evening and delivered a sermon that would resound throughout the United States. Addressing his congregants on the issue of the Bible and slavery, Raphall stated that while he was no “friend to slavery in the abstract” and even less “to the practical working of slavery,” his personal feelings were not germane. Slavery, he argued, was the oldest form of social relationship aside from family ties.

     


    And his politics very likely reflected the views of his congregants. From its modest beginnings as a congregation of a few hundred Jews, the congregation grew larger and wealthier over time. By 1850 it had moved to Greene Street in the fashionable Washington Square neighborhood, where its members raised $50,000 (churches in that day generally cost less than $20,000 to build) to erect a sanctuary with a 56-foot-high dome featuring windows with ornamented paintings. By 1861, a community founded under the aura of Jewish Jeffersonian republicanism had been replaced by an affluent, conservative membership—one that was able to pay Raphall the princely salary of $2,000 per year.
     

    It was in that domed sanctuary that Raphall delivered his notorious sermon. After his opening disclaimer, he turned to Jewish scripture, declaring that the biblical verse where God commands an owner to give Sabbath rest to “thy male slave and thy female slave,” clearly condoned slavery. He also stated that the Bible differentiated between Hebrew bondsmen, whose servitude was limited, and non-Hebrew slaves and their progeny, who were to remain bondsmen during the lives of their master, his children, and his children’s children. Non-Hebrew slaves, he argued, could be compared to black slaves in the American South. Hebraic law permitted masters to discipline their slaves, short of murder or disfigurement, and required that a slave absconding from South Carolina to New York must be a restored to his owner as would a slave who had fled from Dan to Beersheba. The Jewish law that forbade Hebrews from returning an escaped slave, by Raphall’s lights, only referred to slaves fleeing from foreign lands.

     


    Responding to Reverend Henry Ward Beecher’s assertion that the Bible actually opposed slavery, Raphall proclaimed: “How dare you, in the face and sanction and protection afforded to slave property in the Ten Commandments, how dare you denounce slaveholding as a sin?” What right “do you have to insult and exasperate thousands of God-fearing, law-abiding citizens,” he said, equating a citizen of the South with the status of a murderer. While he cautioned southerners to guard their bondsman from sexual aggression, hunger, and excess demands of their labor, Raphall emphatically contended that the biblical sanction of slave property remained relevant in 1861.

     


    Two weeks later, Raphall gave his sermon as a speech before members of the Democratic Party and the pro-South American Society for Promotion of National Unity. In attendance were advocates of national reconciliation in harmony with southern demands, including the banker August Belmont, and prominent pro-slavery Jews from Richmond, Montgomery, and New Orleans. The artist and inventor Samuel B. Morse presided. Dr. Bernard Ilowy of Baltimore, highly respected for his biblical expertise, endorsed Raphall’s position. Rabbi Simon Tuska of Mobile, Ala., stated that his sermon contained “the most forceful arguments in justification of the slavery of the African race.” Southern sympathizers dispersed the discourse throughout the nation.
     

    In his opinion on Lincoln and the issue of slavery, Raphall was not alone among Jewish leaders. Diplomat, playwright, and journalist Mordecai M. Noah, the “most important Jew in America” during the 1830s and 1840s, according to his biographer Jonathan D. Sarna, wrote that blacks were “anatomically and mentally inferior to the white” and could find contentment only in servile labor. Noah dreaded the thought of a slave revolt and viciously condemned abolitionists. Emmanuel Hart, the first Jewish congressman from New York in the 1850s, was a leader of the conservative “hunker” Democrats, a faction that opposed any agitation against slavery and worked to uphold the interests of the slaveholding states. Editor Robert Lyon of the Asmonean, a self-described progressive who hired Reform Judaism’s leading proponent, Isaac Mayer Wise, as his literary editor, endorsed James Buchanan in 1856 as a “progressionist,” defended the Fugitive Slave Act, and called abolitionists “the foul Fiend which stalks among us.” Lyon included among the abolitionists both “Frederick Douglass the ******,” and a “heterogeneous stew of fanatics and imposters.” The notion of black suffrage was, he said, “preposterous.”
     
    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/112312/new-yorks-pro-slavery-rabbi

    Founded in 1749 in downtown Charleston, South Carolina, the Beth Elohim Synagogue is one of the very earliest synagogues in America. While other synagogues and congregations are also now a part of Charleston city life, Beth Elohim Synagogue is the oldest one in the area and serves as the repository for certain historical artifacts of Jewish life in the city. One such artifact is a marble tablet honoring Mordecai Cohen (1763-1848) that was commissioned by the City of Charleston to honor one of its greatest benefactors. Cohen, one of the wealthiest men in South Carolina, had long supported and donated money to the Charleston Orphan House, the first public orphanage in the United States and one that relied upon both public funds and private patrons to serve the white poor of all faiths. Mordecai Cohen served as a commissioner to the Orphan House for 10 years and made hefty contributions for 45 years.
     

    Charleston, South Carolina, was on Lafayette’s itinerary, and the wealthiest planters, clergy and statesmen got together to plan fireworks, feasts and balls in his honor. The luminaries of Charleston were fabulously wealthy, to be sure. The work of enslaved people had enabled many white South Carolinians to grow enormously rich on the trade of labor-intensive crops including rice, indigo and cotton. Surely the city would be able to impress. But who was to host his visit? And how might it be funded?
     

    Appropriate party venues were made readily available for the banquets, but no planter or merchant had sufficiently extensive and glamorous table settings to entertain the Marquis. Thus the ruling class of Charleston looked to Mordecai Cohen, by some estimates the second wealthiest man in South Carolina and certainly the wealthiest Jew in the state at that time. Cohen, both savvy and civic-minded, volunteered his sets of gold plates and silver for a banquet to honor the general.

     


    Cohen, born in Poland in 1763, began work as a young immigrant peddler in Charleston but rapidly rose in status and wealth. Eventually, he came to own many properties across the city and large estates on the nearby Ashley River. Revered as a philanthropist who especially supported the Charleston Orphan House, Cohen was a central figure not merely in the Jewish community of South Carolina, but also in the nation, embodying a new vision of what American citizenship and success might look like.

     


    The moral price for Cohen’s success was his willing participation in the slave trade. While he never held the hundreds of field hands that other low country Carolina plantations of that time boasted, he owned enough people to maintain his properties and to keep his family comfortable. This wasn’t surprising: The percentage of Jewish Charlestonians who held slaves in 1830 (83%) was roughly the same as that of the general white population of the city (87%). In addition to Cohen’s extensive mercantile and real estate endeavors, he was deeply involved in the slave trade — the auctioning, mortgaging and leasing of babies, parents and families. Orphans of color evidently were of no special interest to him.
     
    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.
     

    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.
     

    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

     


    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”

     


    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

     

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/
  132. @the one they call Desanex
    The new silent-movie expert on Turner Classic Movies is a black woman. Last Sunday night, she told us all about silent-movie comedian “Harolt Lloyt”.

    She’s the dope who elsewhere tried to tell TCM viewers that they couldn’t really know their music (r&r) without knowing the blues.

  133. @Jack D
    Jews get angry because 90% arrived after the slave era and 99% of slave owners were not Jewish so it's kind of funny to be bringing up the few Jewish ones.

    Jews get angry because 90% arrived after the slave era and 99% of slave owners were not Jewish so it’s kind of funny to be bringing up the few Jewish ones.

    Jews get angry because they want to be seen as innocent victims…..

    NEW YORK’S PRO-SLAVERY RABBI

    Next week, thousands of people will crowd into Congregation B’nai Jeshurun at 88th Street in Manhattan for Kol Nidre services. It’s a safe bet that the rabbis at one of the country’s most politically progressive synagogues will sermonize about social justice, the stagnant Israeli-Palestinian peace process, or the upcoming presidential election: After all, this is a congregation that hung an anti-torture banner in the sanctuary during the Bush Administration.

    B’nai Jeshurun is justly proud of its liberal pedigree—and a look at the synagogue’s website indicates that it has always been on the right side of history. The synagogue was formed in 1824-25 when a group of Ashkenazi members of Shearith Israel, which had been New York’s only synagogue for nearly 100 years, split off to create a fully egalitarian community by drastically lowering required contributions and instituting an executive committee whose membership rotated every three months. Rabbi Israel Goldstein carried that mantle in the first half of the 20th century, and later the synagogue hosted Eleanor Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, and Abraham Joshua Heschel.

    But missing from this history is the congregation’s first prominent spiritual leader: Rabbi Morris Raphall. A celebrated biblical and rabbinic scholar, during the mid-1800s Raphall was the leading rabbi not only in New York—then the home of a quarter of the nation’s Jews—but in the country. He lectured extensively across the United States and was the only rabbi prior to the Civil War to be invited to make a congressional benediction. So, why has B’nai Jeshurun all but forgotten him?

    Perhaps because Raphall was an outspoken proponent of slavery.

    Raphall stood in his sanctuary on that blustery Friday evening and delivered a sermon that would resound throughout the United States. Addressing his congregants on the issue of the Bible and slavery, Raphall stated that while he was no “friend to slavery in the abstract” and even less “to the practical working of slavery,” his personal feelings were not germane. Slavery, he argued, was the oldest form of social relationship aside from family ties.

    And his politics very likely reflected the views of his congregants. From its modest beginnings as a congregation of a few hundred Jews, the congregation grew larger and wealthier over time. By 1850 it had moved to Greene Street in the fashionable Washington Square neighborhood, where its members raised $50,000 (churches in that day generally cost less than $20,000 to build) to erect a sanctuary with a 56-foot-high dome featuring windows with ornamented paintings. By 1861, a community founded under the aura of Jewish Jeffersonian republicanism had been replaced by an affluent, conservative membership—one that was able to pay Raphall the princely salary of $2,000 per year.

    It was in that domed sanctuary that Raphall delivered his notorious sermon. After his opening disclaimer, he turned to Jewish scripture, declaring that the biblical verse where God commands an owner to give Sabbath rest to “thy male slave and thy female slave,” clearly condoned slavery. He also stated that the Bible differentiated between Hebrew bondsmen, whose servitude was limited, and non-Hebrew slaves and their progeny, who were to remain bondsmen during the lives of their master, his children, and his children’s children. Non-Hebrew slaves, he argued, could be compared to black slaves in the American South. Hebraic law permitted masters to discipline their slaves, short of murder or disfigurement, and required that a slave absconding from South Carolina to New York must be a restored to his owner as would a slave who had fled from Dan to Beersheba. The Jewish law that forbade Hebrews from returning an escaped slave, by Raphall’s lights, only referred to slaves fleeing from foreign lands.

    Responding to Reverend Henry Ward Beecher’s assertion that the Bible actually opposed slavery, Raphall proclaimed: “How dare you, in the face and sanction and protection afforded to slave property in the Ten Commandments, how dare you denounce slaveholding as a sin?” What right “do you have to insult and exasperate thousands of God-fearing, law-abiding citizens,” he said, equating a citizen of the South with the status of a murderer. While he cautioned southerners to guard their bondsman from sexual aggression, hunger, and excess demands of their labor, Raphall emphatically contended that the biblical sanction of slave property remained relevant in 1861.

    Two weeks later, Raphall gave his sermon as a speech before members of the Democratic Party and the pro-South American Society for Promotion of National Unity. In attendance were advocates of national reconciliation in harmony with southern demands, including the banker August Belmont, and prominent pro-slavery Jews from Richmond, Montgomery, and New Orleans. The artist and inventor Samuel B. Morse presided. Dr. Bernard Ilowy of Baltimore, highly respected for his biblical expertise, endorsed Raphall’s position. Rabbi Simon Tuska of Mobile, Ala., stated that his sermon contained “the most forceful arguments in justification of the slavery of the African race.” Southern sympathizers dispersed the discourse throughout the nation.

    In his opinion on Lincoln and the issue of slavery, Raphall was not alone among Jewish leaders. Diplomat, playwright, and journalist Mordecai M. Noah, the “most important Jew in America” during the 1830s and 1840s, according to his biographer Jonathan D. Sarna, wrote that blacks were “anatomically and mentally inferior to the white” and could find contentment only in servile labor. Noah dreaded the thought of a slave revolt and viciously condemned abolitionists. Emmanuel Hart, the first Jewish congressman from New York in the 1850s, was a leader of the conservative “hunker” Democrats, a faction that opposed any agitation against slavery and worked to uphold the interests of the slaveholding states. Editor Robert Lyon of the Asmonean, a self-described progressive who hired Reform Judaism’s leading proponent, Isaac Mayer Wise, as his literary editor, endorsed James Buchanan in 1856 as a “progressionist,” defended the Fugitive Slave Act, and called abolitionists “the foul Fiend which stalks among us.” Lyon included among the abolitionists both “Frederick Douglass the ******,” and a “heterogeneous stew of fanatics and imposters.” The notion of black suffrage was, he said, “preposterous.”

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/112312/new-yorks-pro-slavery-rabbi

    Founded in 1749 in downtown Charleston, South Carolina, the Beth Elohim Synagogue is one of the very earliest synagogues in America. While other synagogues and congregations are also now a part of Charleston city life, Beth Elohim Synagogue is the oldest one in the area and serves as the repository for certain historical artifacts of Jewish life in the city. One such artifact is a marble tablet honoring Mordecai Cohen (1763-1848) that was commissioned by the City of Charleston to honor one of its greatest benefactors. Cohen, one of the wealthiest men in South Carolina, had long supported and donated money to the Charleston Orphan House, the first public orphanage in the United States and one that relied upon both public funds and private patrons to serve the white poor of all faiths. Mordecai Cohen served as a commissioner to the Orphan House for 10 years and made hefty contributions for 45 years.

    Charleston, South Carolina, was on Lafayette’s itinerary, and the wealthiest planters, clergy and statesmen got together to plan fireworks, feasts and balls in his honor. The luminaries of Charleston were fabulously wealthy, to be sure. The work of enslaved people had enabled many white South Carolinians to grow enormously rich on the trade of labor-intensive crops including rice, indigo and cotton. Surely the city would be able to impress. But who was to host his visit? And how might it be funded?

    Appropriate party venues were made readily available for the banquets, but no planter or merchant had sufficiently extensive and glamorous table settings to entertain the Marquis. Thus the ruling class of Charleston looked to Mordecai Cohen, by some estimates the second wealthiest man in South Carolina and certainly the wealthiest Jew in the state at that time. Cohen, both savvy and civic-minded, volunteered his sets of gold plates and silver for a banquet to honor the general.

    Cohen, born in Poland in 1763, began work as a young immigrant peddler in Charleston but rapidly rose in status and wealth. Eventually, he came to own many properties across the city and large estates on the nearby Ashley River. Revered as a philanthropist who especially supported the Charleston Orphan House, Cohen was a central figure not merely in the Jewish community of South Carolina, but also in the nation, embodying a new vision of what American citizenship and success might look like.

    The moral price for Cohen’s success was his willing participation in the slave trade. While he never held the hundreds of field hands that other low country Carolina plantations of that time boasted, he owned enough people to maintain his properties and to keep his family comfortable. This wasn’t surprising: The percentage of Jewish Charlestonians who held slaves in 1830 (83%) was roughly the same as that of the general white population of the city (87%). In addition to Cohen’s extensive mercantile and real estate endeavors, he was deeply involved in the slave trade — the auctioning, mortgaging and leasing of babies, parents and families. Orphans of color evidently were of no special interest to him.

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.

    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.

    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”

    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    • Replies: @BB753
    Well, according to the Old Testament, slavery is lawful.
    , @Jack D
    Raphall was born in 1798 so perhaps he is not up to woke standards and is not representative of the 6 million living Jews of America.
  134. @syonredux

    Jews get angry because 90% arrived after the slave era and 99% of slave owners were not Jewish so it’s kind of funny to be bringing up the few Jewish ones.
     
    Jews get angry because they want to be seen as innocent victims.....





    NEW YORK’S PRO-SLAVERY RABBI

    Next week, thousands of people will crowd into Congregation B’nai Jeshurun at 88th Street in Manhattan for Kol Nidre services. It’s a safe bet that the rabbis at one of the country’s most politically progressive synagogues will sermonize about social justice, the stagnant Israeli-Palestinian peace process, or the upcoming presidential election: After all, this is a congregation that hung an anti-torture banner in the sanctuary during the Bush Administration.

     


    B’nai Jeshurun is justly proud of its liberal pedigree—and a look at the synagogue’s website indicates that it has always been on the right side of history. The synagogue was formed in 1824-25 when a group of Ashkenazi members of Shearith Israel, which had been New York’s only synagogue for nearly 100 years, split off to create a fully egalitarian community by drastically lowering required contributions and instituting an executive committee whose membership rotated every three months. Rabbi Israel Goldstein carried that mantle in the first half of the 20th century, and later the synagogue hosted Eleanor Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, and Abraham Joshua Heschel.

     


    But missing from this history is the congregation’s first prominent spiritual leader: Rabbi Morris Raphall. A celebrated biblical and rabbinic scholar, during the mid-1800s Raphall was the leading rabbi not only in New York—then the home of a quarter of the nation’s Jews—but in the country. He lectured extensively across the United States and was the only rabbi prior to the Civil War to be invited to make a congressional benediction. So, why has B’nai Jeshurun all but forgotten him?

     


    Perhaps because Raphall was an outspoken proponent of slavery.
     

    Raphall stood in his sanctuary on that blustery Friday evening and delivered a sermon that would resound throughout the United States. Addressing his congregants on the issue of the Bible and slavery, Raphall stated that while he was no “friend to slavery in the abstract” and even less “to the practical working of slavery,” his personal feelings were not germane. Slavery, he argued, was the oldest form of social relationship aside from family ties.

     


    And his politics very likely reflected the views of his congregants. From its modest beginnings as a congregation of a few hundred Jews, the congregation grew larger and wealthier over time. By 1850 it had moved to Greene Street in the fashionable Washington Square neighborhood, where its members raised $50,000 (churches in that day generally cost less than $20,000 to build) to erect a sanctuary with a 56-foot-high dome featuring windows with ornamented paintings. By 1861, a community founded under the aura of Jewish Jeffersonian republicanism had been replaced by an affluent, conservative membership—one that was able to pay Raphall the princely salary of $2,000 per year.
     

    It was in that domed sanctuary that Raphall delivered his notorious sermon. After his opening disclaimer, he turned to Jewish scripture, declaring that the biblical verse where God commands an owner to give Sabbath rest to “thy male slave and thy female slave,” clearly condoned slavery. He also stated that the Bible differentiated between Hebrew bondsmen, whose servitude was limited, and non-Hebrew slaves and their progeny, who were to remain bondsmen during the lives of their master, his children, and his children’s children. Non-Hebrew slaves, he argued, could be compared to black slaves in the American South. Hebraic law permitted masters to discipline their slaves, short of murder or disfigurement, and required that a slave absconding from South Carolina to New York must be a restored to his owner as would a slave who had fled from Dan to Beersheba. The Jewish law that forbade Hebrews from returning an escaped slave, by Raphall’s lights, only referred to slaves fleeing from foreign lands.

     


    Responding to Reverend Henry Ward Beecher’s assertion that the Bible actually opposed slavery, Raphall proclaimed: “How dare you, in the face and sanction and protection afforded to slave property in the Ten Commandments, how dare you denounce slaveholding as a sin?” What right “do you have to insult and exasperate thousands of God-fearing, law-abiding citizens,” he said, equating a citizen of the South with the status of a murderer. While he cautioned southerners to guard their bondsman from sexual aggression, hunger, and excess demands of their labor, Raphall emphatically contended that the biblical sanction of slave property remained relevant in 1861.

     


    Two weeks later, Raphall gave his sermon as a speech before members of the Democratic Party and the pro-South American Society for Promotion of National Unity. In attendance were advocates of national reconciliation in harmony with southern demands, including the banker August Belmont, and prominent pro-slavery Jews from Richmond, Montgomery, and New Orleans. The artist and inventor Samuel B. Morse presided. Dr. Bernard Ilowy of Baltimore, highly respected for his biblical expertise, endorsed Raphall’s position. Rabbi Simon Tuska of Mobile, Ala., stated that his sermon contained “the most forceful arguments in justification of the slavery of the African race.” Southern sympathizers dispersed the discourse throughout the nation.
     

    In his opinion on Lincoln and the issue of slavery, Raphall was not alone among Jewish leaders. Diplomat, playwright, and journalist Mordecai M. Noah, the “most important Jew in America” during the 1830s and 1840s, according to his biographer Jonathan D. Sarna, wrote that blacks were “anatomically and mentally inferior to the white” and could find contentment only in servile labor. Noah dreaded the thought of a slave revolt and viciously condemned abolitionists. Emmanuel Hart, the first Jewish congressman from New York in the 1850s, was a leader of the conservative “hunker” Democrats, a faction that opposed any agitation against slavery and worked to uphold the interests of the slaveholding states. Editor Robert Lyon of the Asmonean, a self-described progressive who hired Reform Judaism’s leading proponent, Isaac Mayer Wise, as his literary editor, endorsed James Buchanan in 1856 as a “progressionist,” defended the Fugitive Slave Act, and called abolitionists “the foul Fiend which stalks among us.” Lyon included among the abolitionists both “Frederick Douglass the ******,” and a “heterogeneous stew of fanatics and imposters.” The notion of black suffrage was, he said, “preposterous.”
     
    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/112312/new-yorks-pro-slavery-rabbi

    Founded in 1749 in downtown Charleston, South Carolina, the Beth Elohim Synagogue is one of the very earliest synagogues in America. While other synagogues and congregations are also now a part of Charleston city life, Beth Elohim Synagogue is the oldest one in the area and serves as the repository for certain historical artifacts of Jewish life in the city. One such artifact is a marble tablet honoring Mordecai Cohen (1763-1848) that was commissioned by the City of Charleston to honor one of its greatest benefactors. Cohen, one of the wealthiest men in South Carolina, had long supported and donated money to the Charleston Orphan House, the first public orphanage in the United States and one that relied upon both public funds and private patrons to serve the white poor of all faiths. Mordecai Cohen served as a commissioner to the Orphan House for 10 years and made hefty contributions for 45 years.
     

    Charleston, South Carolina, was on Lafayette’s itinerary, and the wealthiest planters, clergy and statesmen got together to plan fireworks, feasts and balls in his honor. The luminaries of Charleston were fabulously wealthy, to be sure. The work of enslaved people had enabled many white South Carolinians to grow enormously rich on the trade of labor-intensive crops including rice, indigo and cotton. Surely the city would be able to impress. But who was to host his visit? And how might it be funded?
     

    Appropriate party venues were made readily available for the banquets, but no planter or merchant had sufficiently extensive and glamorous table settings to entertain the Marquis. Thus the ruling class of Charleston looked to Mordecai Cohen, by some estimates the second wealthiest man in South Carolina and certainly the wealthiest Jew in the state at that time. Cohen, both savvy and civic-minded, volunteered his sets of gold plates and silver for a banquet to honor the general.

     


    Cohen, born in Poland in 1763, began work as a young immigrant peddler in Charleston but rapidly rose in status and wealth. Eventually, he came to own many properties across the city and large estates on the nearby Ashley River. Revered as a philanthropist who especially supported the Charleston Orphan House, Cohen was a central figure not merely in the Jewish community of South Carolina, but also in the nation, embodying a new vision of what American citizenship and success might look like.

     


    The moral price for Cohen’s success was his willing participation in the slave trade. While he never held the hundreds of field hands that other low country Carolina plantations of that time boasted, he owned enough people to maintain his properties and to keep his family comfortable. This wasn’t surprising: The percentage of Jewish Charlestonians who held slaves in 1830 (83%) was roughly the same as that of the general white population of the city (87%). In addition to Cohen’s extensive mercantile and real estate endeavors, he was deeply involved in the slave trade — the auctioning, mortgaging and leasing of babies, parents and families. Orphans of color evidently were of no special interest to him.
     
    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.
     

    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.
     

    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

     


    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”

     


    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

     

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Well, according to the Old Testament, slavery is lawful.

  135. I think your attempts to determine the hierarchy of the coalition of the fringes suffer a fatal flaw. You assume it is a hierarchy with some demographic on the bottom (straight white males) on the bottom and some one on the top. But it is not a totem pole. It is an Ouroboros, it is Rock Paper Scissors. Except that there is that bottom demographic. So it’s a snake of demographics eating its own tail, sitting on a foundation of straight white men.

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  137. anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams
    Someone on a discussion board once accused me of being a leftist plant - quite possibly an FBI agent. His(?) reasoning was that my posts were so frequently off-topic, self-absorbed, and rambling that I was purposely trying to detail any serious discussion. But, no, I’m just a boring (albeit politically-incorrect) sperg.

    (That being said, if George Soros wants to cut me a check for my contributions to iSteve, I’m not too proud to cash it.)

    Whatever happened to Truth? He gave off a heavy vibe of Oreo-mulatto-trying-desperately-to-appear-authentically-black.

    I’m trying to think of a wildly off-topic tidbit to include to round out this overly-long comment. The only thing that comes to mind is that it’s 39 degrees outside right now, with a wind chill of 33. (In Miami, that’s the equivalent of a raging blizzard.)

    But, yeah, Corvinus seems like an NPC.

    I’m trying to think of a wildly off-topic tidbit to include to round out this overly-long comment. The only thing that comes to mind is that it’s 39 degrees outside right now, with a wind chill of 33. (In Miami, that’s the equivalent of a raging blizzard.)

    Are reptiles falling out of your trees?

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    Yes.

    They're quite tasty, you know.

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  138. In the past it came out that Google, YouTube, and FaceBook were all but lying about the efficacy of their ads, and that the New York Times was lying about its subscriber numbers with phantom accounts in countries where the paper is categorically banned. Now NetFlix has admitted that if you “watch” one of their programs for two minutes, you count as “a person who watches a particular show on NetFlix,” as opposed to a person who dislikes that show so intensely you couldn’t make it to minute three and a half. If you scrolled past this comment, you are agreeing with me.

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  139. @anonymous

    It’s ok to be concerned about anti-semitism in racial minority communities, and among Muslims.
     
    Clearly you haven't cracked the NY Times or the WaPo, or turned on CNN or MSNBC, or checked out leftist Twitter, in several years.

    They are doing everything they can to obfuscate who the perpetrators of the recent antisemitic attacks are, and, when that fails, to excuse them.

    But there are humorous lapses. In Bari Weiss’s disastrous appearance on Joe Rogen’s show, she bemoans that the Jews are accused of manipulation, then suggests that Rogen’s MMA buddies should dress up like Haredim and troll certain neighborhoods [neighborhoods described by an adjective not used by Weiss: black].

  140. @syonredux

    “One of the great mysteries of recent years is the exact rank ordering of the Intersectional Pyramid of Privilege.”

    Are normies even aware of such a thing? Should they be? Or, maybe, this is entirely made up…

    “We know that it was invented to elevate black women over black men and white women.”

    Invented by who, exactly?

     

    On the off-chance that you actually are that stupid.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality


    What about liberal straight white men?
    What about white straight men who have flowing manes, i.e. really good hair?
    What about white straight men who are deemed “cucks” or “anti-white” by conservative white men?


     

    None of that will help them, dear fellow. The only thing that might help them is converting to Islam.....That would give them a few "oppression points"....

    “On the off-chance that you actually are that stupid….”

    Just because the term appears on wikipedia does not mean that normies are aware of its origins and purpose. Try harder next time.

    “None of that will help them, dear fellow.”

    Assuming that normie men are personally affected by this scheme and allow themselves to be defined by outside forces.

  141. anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch
    Where is the ACLU? I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    Yes, they famously defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie ,Illinois too. One of the funnier/sadder phenomena of the last few years is watching old school or paleo liberal's disorientation in the brave new woke world. People like you and Dersh are realizing that the Left was always utterly unprincipled. In Erdogan's terms they took the rights train to their stop and they got off

    Yes, they famously defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie ,Illinois too

    ACLU is proud of that, it is their proof that they are not a lefty organization. So they won’t stand up against Antifa thugs anywhere, so they don’t have a problem with Charles Murray being assaulted, so what? 40+ years ago they defended some loons in Illinois, going to bat for Illinois Nazis to march through a heavily Jewish neighborhood. It’s pathetic.

    The actual march was a strange thing, the leader was one Frank Collin who got kicked out of some other Nazi org for having a Jewish ancestor. Collin’s father allegedly was a Nazi camp survivor, and claimed that his father (Collin’s grandfather) was Jewish. Collin rejected his father over this, and also formed his own Nazi party – that’s the group that marched in Skokie. So what do we have, a self-hating partly Jewish man (his mother was Catholic), a cynical opportunist, a messed up in the head loser? I don’t know, and really don’t care.

    That particular clump of Illinois Nazis apparently fell apart. Collin was busted on charges of sexual molestation of little boys and went to prison. While in prison he re-invented himself and began writing New Age stuff about Atlantis. Seriously. Frankly, I’d rather he do that, it’s essentially harmless kook stuff, nobody goes around picking fights or setting buildings on fire in the name of Atlantis. Not that I know of, anyway.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

    He claims a connection between Atlantis and Wisconsin, and in the last 20 years (he’s in his 70’s) had a couple of books / pamphlets / something printed on that. There’s a lost civilization in a lake in Wisconsin, according to Collin. Maybe someone else can check that out and get back to us?

    But the ACLU still boasts of defending his right to public speech, even as they look away from Antifa goons shutting down modern dissent. I have friends who have been involved with what they call the “Anti Christian Litigation Unit” more than once – ACLU has its own dirty laundry, it just keeps that stuff private.

  142. Her Minnesota Vikings beanie is pretty gauche. Everyone knows the UP is Green Bay Packer territory.

    Only the western, Finnish and Cornish half. The eastern, more French reaches are loyal to Detroit.

    Must be a miner thing.

    Also, Ironwood is as far from Detroit as Panama City is from Miami. Michigan is too long to be a state.

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    The funny thing about that NFL fan map is they seem to have totally left out the Jets (unless they become visible if Mr Sulu dials up Magnification 6). Understandable oversight, I suppose.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard

    Only the western, Finnish and Cornish half. The eastern, more French reaches are loyal to Detroit.
     
    Ehhh, I would say that map overestimates the level of Lions support in the eastern half of the UP. If they're saying it's majority support that majority is at best 50.1% vs 49.9% for the Pack.

    Also, whoever designed that map really needs to reconsider their color choices for the Broncos, Chiefs, Bears, Titans, and Bengals.
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  144. @Wilbur Hassenfus
    An objective answer to that question would defeat the whole purpose.

    No. Soon there will a Federal Bureaucracy established to define the relationships quantitatively, so appropriate cash reparations can be made.

  145. If memory serves, the first use of intersectional came from a critique of employment practices and statistics at a company that had adequate representation of blacks and women, but not black women.

    Labor jobs were open to black men but not to women of any sort. Secretarial jobs were open to women but not blacks.
    The critique was those at the intersection were discriminated against. Fair enough.

    But the root cause was hard line Group based exclusion leading to a Simpson’s paradox when viewing the group vs overall statistics.
    The rather obvious solution of merit based opportunity thus gets swamped by victimization syndrome and idiosyncratic count techniques

  146. The Hierarchy is not constructed around any inherent attribute of Blackness, or Gayness, or Muslimness, Femaleness, Hispanicness, or Transness.

    Instead, the Hierarcy is constructed around the same KKKrazy glue that holds together this Coalition of the Fringes: Hating Whitey.

    So, when a conflict emerges in the Pyramid of Privilege, it’s always Hating Whitey that settles it.

    For example, in most situations, Blackness trumps Hispanicness, but not in the case of immigration issues.

    Mass Hispanic immigration is certainly bad for the employment prospects of blacks. And Latino gangbangers sometimes shoot their black rivals.

    However, dispossessing and disenfranchising Whitey is FAR more important, so mass hispanic immigration cannot be criticized, even though it harms blacks.

  147. @Reg Cæsar

    Her Minnesota Vikings beanie is pretty gauche. Everyone knows the UP is Green Bay Packer territory.
     
    Only the western, Finnish and Cornish half. The eastern, more French reaches are loyal to Detroit.

    Must be a miner thing.

    Also, Ironwood is as far from Detroit as Panama City is from Miami. Michigan is too long to be a state.



    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/09/Screen_Shot_2014_09_05_at_4.40.46_PM/63c28326d.png

    The funny thing about that NFL fan map is they seem to have totally left out the Jets (unless they become visible if Mr Sulu dials up Magnification 6). Understandable oversight, I suppose.

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    The funny thing about that NFL fan map is they seem to have totally left out the Jets (unless they become visible if Mr Sulu dials up Magnification 6). Understandable oversight, I suppose.
     
    It's based on county data. The Jets aren't the top team in any county. Our of 3,100+.

    The Raiders were in a similar position in Oakland. Note that the Packers and Vikings own every county in their respective states. This might be true of the Bears as well, now that the Rams went back west.
  148. @Known Fact
    The funny thing about that NFL fan map is they seem to have totally left out the Jets (unless they become visible if Mr Sulu dials up Magnification 6). Understandable oversight, I suppose.

    The funny thing about that NFL fan map is they seem to have totally left out the Jets (unless they become visible if Mr Sulu dials up Magnification 6). Understandable oversight, I suppose.

    It’s based on county data. The Jets aren’t the top team in any county. Our of 3,100+.

    The Raiders were in a similar position in Oakland. Note that the Packers and Vikings own every county in their respective states. This might be true of the Bears as well, now that the Rams went back west.

  149. @Reg Cæsar

    Her Minnesota Vikings beanie is pretty gauche. Everyone knows the UP is Green Bay Packer territory.
     
    Only the western, Finnish and Cornish half. The eastern, more French reaches are loyal to Detroit.

    Must be a miner thing.

    Also, Ironwood is as far from Detroit as Panama City is from Miami. Michigan is too long to be a state.



    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/09/Screen_Shot_2014_09_05_at_4.40.46_PM/63c28326d.png

    Only the western, Finnish and Cornish half. The eastern, more French reaches are loyal to Detroit.

    Ehhh, I would say that map overestimates the level of Lions support in the eastern half of the UP. If they’re saying it’s majority support that majority is at best 50.1% vs 49.9% for the Pack.

    Also, whoever designed that map really needs to reconsider their color choices for the Broncos, Chiefs, Bears, Titans, and Bengals.

  150. @syonredux

    Jews get angry because 90% arrived after the slave era and 99% of slave owners were not Jewish so it’s kind of funny to be bringing up the few Jewish ones.
     
    Jews get angry because they want to be seen as innocent victims.....





    NEW YORK’S PRO-SLAVERY RABBI

    Next week, thousands of people will crowd into Congregation B’nai Jeshurun at 88th Street in Manhattan for Kol Nidre services. It’s a safe bet that the rabbis at one of the country’s most politically progressive synagogues will sermonize about social justice, the stagnant Israeli-Palestinian peace process, or the upcoming presidential election: After all, this is a congregation that hung an anti-torture banner in the sanctuary during the Bush Administration.

     


    B’nai Jeshurun is justly proud of its liberal pedigree—and a look at the synagogue’s website indicates that it has always been on the right side of history. The synagogue was formed in 1824-25 when a group of Ashkenazi members of Shearith Israel, which had been New York’s only synagogue for nearly 100 years, split off to create a fully egalitarian community by drastically lowering required contributions and instituting an executive committee whose membership rotated every three months. Rabbi Israel Goldstein carried that mantle in the first half of the 20th century, and later the synagogue hosted Eleanor Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, and Abraham Joshua Heschel.

     


    But missing from this history is the congregation’s first prominent spiritual leader: Rabbi Morris Raphall. A celebrated biblical and rabbinic scholar, during the mid-1800s Raphall was the leading rabbi not only in New York—then the home of a quarter of the nation’s Jews—but in the country. He lectured extensively across the United States and was the only rabbi prior to the Civil War to be invited to make a congressional benediction. So, why has B’nai Jeshurun all but forgotten him?

     


    Perhaps because Raphall was an outspoken proponent of slavery.
     

    Raphall stood in his sanctuary on that blustery Friday evening and delivered a sermon that would resound throughout the United States. Addressing his congregants on the issue of the Bible and slavery, Raphall stated that while he was no “friend to slavery in the abstract” and even less “to the practical working of slavery,” his personal feelings were not germane. Slavery, he argued, was the oldest form of social relationship aside from family ties.

     


    And his politics very likely reflected the views of his congregants. From its modest beginnings as a congregation of a few hundred Jews, the congregation grew larger and wealthier over time. By 1850 it had moved to Greene Street in the fashionable Washington Square neighborhood, where its members raised $50,000 (churches in that day generally cost less than $20,000 to build) to erect a sanctuary with a 56-foot-high dome featuring windows with ornamented paintings. By 1861, a community founded under the aura of Jewish Jeffersonian republicanism had been replaced by an affluent, conservative membership—one that was able to pay Raphall the princely salary of $2,000 per year.
     

    It was in that domed sanctuary that Raphall delivered his notorious sermon. After his opening disclaimer, he turned to Jewish scripture, declaring that the biblical verse where God commands an owner to give Sabbath rest to “thy male slave and thy female slave,” clearly condoned slavery. He also stated that the Bible differentiated between Hebrew bondsmen, whose servitude was limited, and non-Hebrew slaves and their progeny, who were to remain bondsmen during the lives of their master, his children, and his children’s children. Non-Hebrew slaves, he argued, could be compared to black slaves in the American South. Hebraic law permitted masters to discipline their slaves, short of murder or disfigurement, and required that a slave absconding from South Carolina to New York must be a restored to his owner as would a slave who had fled from Dan to Beersheba. The Jewish law that forbade Hebrews from returning an escaped slave, by Raphall’s lights, only referred to slaves fleeing from foreign lands.

     


    Responding to Reverend Henry Ward Beecher’s assertion that the Bible actually opposed slavery, Raphall proclaimed: “How dare you, in the face and sanction and protection afforded to slave property in the Ten Commandments, how dare you denounce slaveholding as a sin?” What right “do you have to insult and exasperate thousands of God-fearing, law-abiding citizens,” he said, equating a citizen of the South with the status of a murderer. While he cautioned southerners to guard their bondsman from sexual aggression, hunger, and excess demands of their labor, Raphall emphatically contended that the biblical sanction of slave property remained relevant in 1861.

     


    Two weeks later, Raphall gave his sermon as a speech before members of the Democratic Party and the pro-South American Society for Promotion of National Unity. In attendance were advocates of national reconciliation in harmony with southern demands, including the banker August Belmont, and prominent pro-slavery Jews from Richmond, Montgomery, and New Orleans. The artist and inventor Samuel B. Morse presided. Dr. Bernard Ilowy of Baltimore, highly respected for his biblical expertise, endorsed Raphall’s position. Rabbi Simon Tuska of Mobile, Ala., stated that his sermon contained “the most forceful arguments in justification of the slavery of the African race.” Southern sympathizers dispersed the discourse throughout the nation.
     

    In his opinion on Lincoln and the issue of slavery, Raphall was not alone among Jewish leaders. Diplomat, playwright, and journalist Mordecai M. Noah, the “most important Jew in America” during the 1830s and 1840s, according to his biographer Jonathan D. Sarna, wrote that blacks were “anatomically and mentally inferior to the white” and could find contentment only in servile labor. Noah dreaded the thought of a slave revolt and viciously condemned abolitionists. Emmanuel Hart, the first Jewish congressman from New York in the 1850s, was a leader of the conservative “hunker” Democrats, a faction that opposed any agitation against slavery and worked to uphold the interests of the slaveholding states. Editor Robert Lyon of the Asmonean, a self-described progressive who hired Reform Judaism’s leading proponent, Isaac Mayer Wise, as his literary editor, endorsed James Buchanan in 1856 as a “progressionist,” defended the Fugitive Slave Act, and called abolitionists “the foul Fiend which stalks among us.” Lyon included among the abolitionists both “Frederick Douglass the ******,” and a “heterogeneous stew of fanatics and imposters.” The notion of black suffrage was, he said, “preposterous.”
     
    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/112312/new-yorks-pro-slavery-rabbi

    Founded in 1749 in downtown Charleston, South Carolina, the Beth Elohim Synagogue is one of the very earliest synagogues in America. While other synagogues and congregations are also now a part of Charleston city life, Beth Elohim Synagogue is the oldest one in the area and serves as the repository for certain historical artifacts of Jewish life in the city. One such artifact is a marble tablet honoring Mordecai Cohen (1763-1848) that was commissioned by the City of Charleston to honor one of its greatest benefactors. Cohen, one of the wealthiest men in South Carolina, had long supported and donated money to the Charleston Orphan House, the first public orphanage in the United States and one that relied upon both public funds and private patrons to serve the white poor of all faiths. Mordecai Cohen served as a commissioner to the Orphan House for 10 years and made hefty contributions for 45 years.
     

    Charleston, South Carolina, was on Lafayette’s itinerary, and the wealthiest planters, clergy and statesmen got together to plan fireworks, feasts and balls in his honor. The luminaries of Charleston were fabulously wealthy, to be sure. The work of enslaved people had enabled many white South Carolinians to grow enormously rich on the trade of labor-intensive crops including rice, indigo and cotton. Surely the city would be able to impress. But who was to host his visit? And how might it be funded?
     

    Appropriate party venues were made readily available for the banquets, but no planter or merchant had sufficiently extensive and glamorous table settings to entertain the Marquis. Thus the ruling class of Charleston looked to Mordecai Cohen, by some estimates the second wealthiest man in South Carolina and certainly the wealthiest Jew in the state at that time. Cohen, both savvy and civic-minded, volunteered his sets of gold plates and silver for a banquet to honor the general.

     


    Cohen, born in Poland in 1763, began work as a young immigrant peddler in Charleston but rapidly rose in status and wealth. Eventually, he came to own many properties across the city and large estates on the nearby Ashley River. Revered as a philanthropist who especially supported the Charleston Orphan House, Cohen was a central figure not merely in the Jewish community of South Carolina, but also in the nation, embodying a new vision of what American citizenship and success might look like.

     


    The moral price for Cohen’s success was his willing participation in the slave trade. While he never held the hundreds of field hands that other low country Carolina plantations of that time boasted, he owned enough people to maintain his properties and to keep his family comfortable. This wasn’t surprising: The percentage of Jewish Charlestonians who held slaves in 1830 (83%) was roughly the same as that of the general white population of the city (87%). In addition to Cohen’s extensive mercantile and real estate endeavors, he was deeply involved in the slave trade — the auctioning, mortgaging and leasing of babies, parents and families. Orphans of color evidently were of no special interest to him.
     
    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.
     

    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.
     

    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

     


    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”

     


    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

     

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Raphall was born in 1798 so perhaps he is not up to woke standards and is not representative of the 6 million living Jews of America.

  151. @Realist

    All anyone needs to know is White people Bad. Not White people Good.
     
    What is the solution?

    What is the solution?

    One effective solution is separation. Different countries for different peoples.

    Keeping POC away from Whites will protect them from White racism. For example, POC could stay in their own countries where there are no White people to oppress them.

    It’s so crazy it just might work.

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    One effective solution is separation. Different countries for different peoples.

    Keeping POC away from Whites will protect them from White racism. For example, POC could stay in their own countries where there are no White people to oppress them.

    It’s so crazy it just might work.
     
    It would probably work...the problem is effecting it.
  152. @anonymous

    It’s ok to be concerned about anti-semitism in racial minority communities, and among Muslims.
     
    Clearly you haven't cracked the NY Times or the WaPo, or turned on CNN or MSNBC, or checked out leftist Twitter, in several years.

    They are doing everything they can to obfuscate who the perpetrators of the recent antisemitic attacks are, and, when that fails, to excuse them.

    How does that prove that they aren’t taking anti-semitism seriously?

    They’re taking it very seriously. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t go to so much trouble to make sure that the right people are blamed.

    How much does the media report on anti-semitism in comparison to anti-slavism, anti-catholicism, etc.?

    If those guys in New York were Irish Catholic, would the media devote so much energy to covering largely non-lethal attacks on them?

  153. @anon
    I’m trying to think of a wildly off-topic tidbit to include to round out this overly-long comment. The only thing that comes to mind is that it’s 39 degrees outside right now, with a wind chill of 33. (In Miami, that’s the equivalent of a raging blizzard.)

    Are reptiles falling out of your trees?

    Yes.

    They’re quite tasty, you know.

  154. @Stan Adams
    Someone on a discussion board once accused me of being a leftist plant - quite possibly an FBI agent. His(?) reasoning was that my posts were so frequently off-topic, self-absorbed, and rambling that I was purposely trying to detail any serious discussion. But, no, I’m just a boring (albeit politically-incorrect) sperg.

    (That being said, if George Soros wants to cut me a check for my contributions to iSteve, I’m not too proud to cash it.)

    Whatever happened to Truth? He gave off a heavy vibe of Oreo-mulatto-trying-desperately-to-appear-authentically-black.

    I’m trying to think of a wildly off-topic tidbit to include to round out this overly-long comment. The only thing that comes to mind is that it’s 39 degrees outside right now, with a wind chill of 33. (In Miami, that’s the equivalent of a raging blizzard.)

    But, yeah, Corvinus seems like an NPC.

    It’s so cold in Miami, frozen iguanas falling out of trees is a hazard.

  155. @Abe

    Surprisingly, the New York Times endorsed the two womyn
     
    Wonderful! Marvelous! They should next time endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!) and all of them can then win the primary and go on to run in the general election. For added effect male Democratic voters should stay home on voting day so that future generations can honestly say our first Madam President didn’t need any man’s help to break that ultimate glass ceiling!

    endorse even more women (5! 8! 13!)

    To aid this, we could mandate that the House of Rep be all women so even more emotion can be brought to bear on impeaching all the icky people with grrreat ceremony and pomp. Seems to be their only function lately.

  156. @anon
    Where is the ACLU?

    Same place they have always been.

    I mean this seriously. I remember when I was a kid, the ACLU would sue when, say, Communist professors were persecuted.

    It's almost as though the ACLU was created mainly to defend Communists and other leftists.


    Remember what the ACLU did after Waco?

    It’s almost as though the ACLU was created mainly to defend Communists and other leftists.

    It actually was created by communists. They played along and defended the “Skokie Nazis” for propaganda purposes when the Skokie “Nazis” actually were an own goal for the racial Right anyway-what, did they think they were going to convert Skokieites to their views?-but when that became unnecessary they simply stopped doing that.

    Leftists are without principles in the sense that normal and decent people use the term.

    Not that I am an admirer of Hitler or the NSDAP-I am not-but I have to point out that uniforms, armbands with crinklejammer symbols, and marching around were what Hitler and his operation did because that was what all groups in Germany back then did. Doing that in the United States now is like a rock band wearing matching cardigans or Nehru jackets and DA haircuts today or the nurses in a modern hospital wearing white midi-skirts and those white hair pieces like Julie London in Emergency. It marks you as nutty.

    Goofy get-ups are not the done thing anymore. Any white movement that actually makes people think and does not come off as idiotic is a serious menace to the left and can expect to be dealt with severely and unfairly. That was true then and it is more true now.

  157. @Moses

    What is the solution?
     
    One effective solution is separation. Different countries for different peoples.

    Keeping POC away from Whites will protect them from White racism. For example, POC could stay in their own countries where there are no White people to oppress them.

    It’s so crazy it just might work.

    One effective solution is separation. Different countries for different peoples.

    Keeping POC away from Whites will protect them from White racism. For example, POC could stay in their own countries where there are no White people to oppress them.

    It’s so crazy it just might work.

    It would probably work…the problem is effecting it.

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