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The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common: during 2020, American cops retreated to the donut shop while Australian cops went nuts fining people for going to the beach and the like. But now, just a few decades after Australia imported its first Africans, it has a very American-style race-crime problems. It must be Australia’s heritage of slavery, Jim Crow, and redlining. Or something.

African and Middle Eastern communities over-represented in COVID-19 fines in Victoria, data shows

By Casey Briggs and Ahmed Yussuf

In short: Police data suggests people of African or Middle Eastern appearance got four times as many COVID fines for breaking public health rules as their share of the state’s population
What’s next? Police accountability advocates have accused police of racially profiling these communities. Victoria Police reject any suggestions that police targeted specific ethnic groups during the pandemic

 
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  1. Anonymous[699] • Disclaimer says:

    Spate of mass brawls at German outdoor swimming pools

    … Some of the comments, blaming “social hotspots” or so-called “clans”, appear tinged with racism: both are code words for immigrant groups.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65985004

    • Replies: @Robertson
    @Anonymous

    At first, wealthier Germans will simply start going to expensive new private pools, members only.

    Then the foreigners will begin to get a numerical advantage at public pools and really begin to throw their weight around in them, intimidating the ordinary Germans.

    Then working class Germans will stop going to public pools out of fear. They can go to less-sanitary creeks and rivers though, or cheap plastic pools to cool off in backyard-style. Less German children probably learn to swim.

    Then the public pools start looking a little ragged, have graffiti, and damaged bathrooms, and public enthusiasm for paying tax monies for their upkeep wanes further. They become "slum pools", that even newcomers don't like.


    10 years later: wealthy German kids still learn to swim, and wealthy German adults have a more advantageous place to network/not have to hob-knob with the Hoi polli. Poor German youth increasingly don't learn to swim, are less happy, spend more time on their phones, and gain weight from lack of excerise. Wealthy Germans have a brand new tiny life advantage, further insulating themselves.

    It's not by mistake. It's on purpose.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Moses
    @Anonymous


    Some of the comments, blaming “social hotspots” or so-called “clans”, appear tinged with racism: both are code words for immigrant groups.
     
    Lol noticing is racist.
  2. “The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common: during 2020, American cops retreated to the donut shop while Australian cops went nuts fining people for going to the beach and the like.”

    It’s kind of amusing when Steve points out key words that are missing from articles like immigration, black, Democrat, etc., and then resorts to the same omissions himself. Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?

    And cops in the US only retreated to the donut shop when it came to negro violence. They were out there harassing, threatening, and arresting dads and veterans for playing in parks and not wearing masks in public places.

    There are thousands of hours of cell phone video available on the internet for you to watch illustrating as much, if you can stomach it.

    • Thanks: Renard, Mr. Anon, Barnard
    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Mike Tre

    “ Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?”

    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything. Sounds like you’re one of those statistical illiterates who fell for some paranoid conspiracies pushed by podcasting supplement-peddlers. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, oh noes!

    Mass third world migration is the most important issue facing the West. It is 100 times more important than Covid. And it is infinitely more important than rehashing your dumb anti-vaxxery.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @The Anti-Gnostic, @pyrrhus, @Hypnotoad666

    , @BB753
    @Mike Tre

    Apparently, Steve didn't bother to learn what was happening in Australia during the koofid lockdowns which were brutal in themselves and the repression vicious.
    https://youtu.be/PvVaKFB65lw

    Replies: @anonymous, @HbutnotG

    , @Anon
    @Mike Tre

    Did you get COVID yet? Was it just the flu bro? Or did you cry a river about how bad it was like the other corona deniers? And then fall for treatments that don't f---ing work but you thought would because they were promoted by YouTube sports commentators instead of doctors?

    , @Corpse Tooth
    @Mike Tre

    "omissions"

    Lots of complaints about Steve and his omissions in this thread. What the commenters either forget or don't understand: Steve is not Big Pix. He's granular, microscopic when it comes to the topics that earned him admission into the sinister West Virginia castle. His myopia occludes his view on Australia: the main issue the Aussies face is not black people; it's the black spider. The Funnel Web Threat is existential. There are no boosters for the bite of the Funnel Web, but Steve is lining up for one anyway even though he lives in the San Fernando Valley.

  3. I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It’s like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Nachum

    To be fair an Aussie KKK would probably be hilarious. Nobody banters like an Australian.

    , @tyrone
    @Nachum


    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since
     
    ....the few that are around are more that likely FED.....oh how they yearn for a KKK.

    Replies: @Robertson, @HammerJack, @Brutusale

    , @fnn
    @Nachum

    Then there was that "Klan" that Bobby Byrd belonged to in the 1940s. Wikipedia calls it *the* Klan, but there was no *the* Klan after some point in the 1930s. when the Second Klan lost its trademark. After that point any entrepreneur or idealist or police operative could set up *the Klan* and that Klan was just as much a Klan as any other Klan set up by anyone else anywhere else.

    , @Corpse Tooth
    @Nachum

    "It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything."

    The soft power of GAE: We proudly fly the Rainbow and BLM fags.

    , @Dr. X
    @Nachum

    If the Klan hadn't actually existed, they would have invented it to fulfill the narrative. That's basically what they're doing today -- there is no actual Klan of any consequence, it's basically all FBI informants.

    There were a handful of Klansmen who did some illegal things in the '50s and '60s but their significance has been totally overblown for propaganda purposes. I think it was Ann Coulter who once added up the entire number of blacks killed by the Klan during the entire decade and it was less than ten -- in other words, a death toll similar to a slow weekend of black-on-black violence in Chicago or Detroit today.

    Replies: @Nachum

    , @Anon
    @Nachum

    1866-1868 was the period of Carpetbaggers, Northerners who went down South to "reconstruct" the Southerners, and pad their northern bank accounts.

    "We are from the Federal Government, and we are here to help you."

    "Run Forrest, run."

    Replies: @Nachum

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Nachum


    “I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It’s like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.”
     
    Don’t worry. “Scholars” and “experts” will invent a contemporary Aussie counterpart to the Klan (led by Pauline Hanson), and fabricate a history for it.

    For 60 years in America, members of the racial socialist alliance have fabricated a “White supremacist” history, sociology, and journalism. I’m sure their Aussie allies are capable of the same work.
  4. … got four times as many COVID fines for breaking public health rules as their share of the state’s population

    Suspect they offended at a higher rate. Maybe journalists could look into this.

    • Agree: Muggles
  5. Oz has gone in 50 years from the “ocker” stereotype of Barry McKenzie and Python (“I don’t want to see anyone mistreating the abos – if there’s anybody looking“) – to the most PC place imaginable.

    When Ben Elton had finished with the UK he headed there to help the transformation of Oz.

    You literally cannot walk into a supermarket without a large notice telling you that

    “MegaMart Pty. acknowledge the Manuru people as the traditional custodians of the land on which this store stands (and we have zero intention of giving the land back, but it’s the thought that counts). We pay respect to their elders, their culture and their sacred spaces (but not in cash).”

    Oddly when you walk into an Asian store in Bradford there are no notices acknowledging the traditional custodians of Yorkshire land or any question of respect.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Are their beds still burning?

    , @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don't need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also "But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land" -- Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains "legitimate" forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @epebble, @HammerJack, @Mehool Mehta, @Anonymous

    , @NJ Transit Commuter
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I do a lot of business in Australia and visit there a lot. Lovely country and wonderful people. But nothing annoys me more than all of the “traditional custodian acknowledgement” stuff.

    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.” I doubt many of the enthusiastic acknowledgers are willing to sacrifice their houses in Manly or Mosman….

    Anyway, lovely people and no more hypocritical than most of us (myself included). No offense intended to any Aussies reading this. Fair Dinkum!!

    Replies: @Wilkey, @raga10

    , @pyrrhus
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That's amazing! Wonder what could possibly explain that....?

    , @AnotherDad
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yeah, what the hell happened to Australia?

    An American, I had this image of the joint as being more "wild and free"--more uncrowded, more like the old American West, more free, more "male", more "cowboy", more "I'll do my own thing and you can f'off"--than America itself.

    I realize this was hyped up. And I realize all the minoritarian propaganda pours forth from America into every corner of the Anglo-sphere, the English-language-sphere.

    But still ... to go from that image to a joint of feminized, police statey church ladies ... damn.

    , @Anon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    How about they put one of those land acknowledgement plaques on 10 Downing Street.

  6. OT — I’m 50, going on 48.

    For centuries, Koreans inflated ages compared with the rest of the world. An individual is 1-year-old at birth, and everyone gains a year together on Jan. 1. A New Year’s Eve baby turns two after a single day.

    The new law will switch everyone to the international age standard—which starts people at zero on the day they are born. Koreans already born will get younger, and use their birth to determine how old they are. Official documents will start using the international measure, too.

    https://archive.ph/q4YJD

  7. @YetAnotherAnon
    Oz has gone in 50 years from the "ocker" stereotype of Barry McKenzie and Python ("I don't want to see anyone mistreating the abos - if there's anybody looking") - to the most PC place imaginable.

    When Ben Elton had finished with the UK he headed there to help the transformation of Oz.

    You literally cannot walk into a supermarket without a large notice telling you that


    "MegaMart Pty. acknowledge the Manuru people as the traditional custodians of the land on which this store stands (and we have zero intention of giving the land back, but it's the thought that counts). We pay respect to their elders, their culture and their sacred spaces (but not in cash)."
     
    Oddly when you walk into an Asian store in Bradford there are no notices acknowledging the traditional custodians of Yorkshire land or any question of respect.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Are their beds still burning?

  8. @YetAnotherAnon
    Oz has gone in 50 years from the "ocker" stereotype of Barry McKenzie and Python ("I don't want to see anyone mistreating the abos - if there's anybody looking") - to the most PC place imaginable.

    When Ben Elton had finished with the UK he headed there to help the transformation of Oz.

    You literally cannot walk into a supermarket without a large notice telling you that


    "MegaMart Pty. acknowledge the Manuru people as the traditional custodians of the land on which this store stands (and we have zero intention of giving the land back, but it's the thought that counts). We pay respect to their elders, their culture and their sacred spaces (but not in cash)."
     
    Oddly when you walk into an Asian store in Bradford there are no notices acknowledging the traditional custodians of Yorkshire land or any question of respect.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don’t need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also “But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land” — Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains “legitimate” forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @J.Ross

    This is called "waqf", and it is one of the primary reasons the Arab-Israeli sh!tstorm is so intractable; theological reasons, and there are others.

    Our leadership (and Americans in general) is so illiterate about everything under the sun, which is the cause of something like 90% of our train wrecks.

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @J.Ross

    That’s why nobody converts to Islam, they revert. Also the reason it took the Europeans to discover most of what we know about the ancient Egyptians. The Muslims literally had no interest.

    , @epebble
    @J.Ross

    That thinking may not be uniquely Muslim. I have heard some evangelicals use the term pre-Christian to describe non-Christians.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @BB753

    , @HammerJack
    @J.Ross


    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon.
     
    Professor in the current year: "Do I want to correct this student, or pay my mortgage next month? Decisions decisions."
    , @Mehool Mehta
    @J.Ross

    Ross Bhai,

    Mohammed is fake, he never existed. Islam is a fake religion invented by some people to make conquering army who would go out, loot, enslave and subjugate other civilizations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD178PXa68M
    Did Muhammad Even Exist? -The Search for Muhammad - Episode 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJTlkZBo8o4
    Robert Spencer: My New Book Proves That Muhammad Probably Never Existed!

    Regards,
    Mehool Bhai, Mumbai.

    , @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    I don't know about Muslims in general but do know that Iranians in particular have an old grudge against the Greeks, specifically Alexander, for "stealing" their advanced science and technology and passing it off as their own.

  9. One thing Australians (on-line, at least) seem to be proud of is that they don’t have open borders. Well, sure, they don’t have ANY borders, but the government has been good about discouraging successful landings of illegals on their shores. (I remember a video about this by some guy in fatigues.)

    Yes, the Euros. in the Mediterranean countries should learn from this. However, that doesn’t preclude massive legal immigration from all over being just as bad for the country. “Oh, but we get to PICK them.” (So, too, say the Canadians, but I’ve been to Toronto recently – post coming, hold your horses – and it’s not all so pretty.)

    The Chinese may flat-out colonize the place… well, Australia AND Canada, while the Black! vibrancy has its usual effect.

    • Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I flew into Vancouver in 2013, and was stunned to see perhaps 200-300 Asians in line at international arrivals with Canadian passports. I had no idea the immigration was of that magnitude.

    I don’t know how most Canadians feel about Asian immigrants, but they are mostly not destructive. I have seen the Toronto roster of “most wanted”; there’s not an Asian face; maybe two whites, and the rest are the usual suspects. If only Canadians (an Europeans) had paid the slightest bit of heed to what many Americans have been saying about the inherent behaviors of Africans, especially those arriving straight out of the heart of darkness with no European admixture. The non-Persian middle easterners aren’t far behind in terms of depravity.

    Pauline Hanson in Australia has been doing her best to keep the brown tide out, but she seems to be a lone voice in the wind. When she’s gone, it’s curtains.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @che guava

  10. @Nachum
    I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @tyrone, @fnn, @Corpse Tooth, @Dr. X, @Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    To be fair an Aussie KKK would probably be hilarious. Nobody banters like an Australian.

  11. Still waiting for those Norfolk Island reparations. Nah, who am I kidding? Those guys were white.

    Meanwhile, back in the jungle….

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Some good advice from Chopper Reid in that 2 min video in comment # 11.

    Americans would do well to pay heed to that.

  12. @YetAnotherAnon
    Oz has gone in 50 years from the "ocker" stereotype of Barry McKenzie and Python ("I don't want to see anyone mistreating the abos - if there's anybody looking") - to the most PC place imaginable.

    When Ben Elton had finished with the UK he headed there to help the transformation of Oz.

    You literally cannot walk into a supermarket without a large notice telling you that


    "MegaMart Pty. acknowledge the Manuru people as the traditional custodians of the land on which this store stands (and we have zero intention of giving the land back, but it's the thought that counts). We pay respect to their elders, their culture and their sacred spaces (but not in cash)."
     
    Oddly when you walk into an Asian store in Bradford there are no notices acknowledging the traditional custodians of Yorkshire land or any question of respect.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    I do a lot of business in Australia and visit there a lot. Lovely country and wonderful people. But nothing annoys me more than all of the “traditional custodian acknowledgement” stuff.

    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.” I doubt many of the enthusiastic acknowledgers are willing to sacrifice their houses in Manly or Mosman….

    Anyway, lovely people and no more hypocritical than most of us (myself included). No offense intended to any Aussies reading this. Fair Dinkum!!

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.”
     
    Nah, I say that in response to anyone who says it. It’s one of the few challenges to Leftist self-righteousness that even most Leftists will laugh at.
    , @raga10
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.”
     
    Don't hold back, hardly anyone takes this shit seriously but many feel forced to pay at least lip service. They will be happy to hear you tell it like it is.
  13. The evasion of Covid Totalitarianism – is that STILL going on down there?! – is not something I’m all bent out of shape about.

    What will happen is that, far from picking on these vibrant “Aussies”, cops and government minions will implement the usual Anarcho-Tyranny. They’ll fine the White people who are responsible and have something to lose, while the vibrant newcomers will be left alone, by some point, just out of fear if nothing else.

    This article is probably meant to push this along, rather than having been written to get to the bottom of anything. OK, I’ll click it, since it’s not the NYT or Washington Post:

    Yusuf Mohamud was working at a community legal centre in Melbourne’s north-east when the COVID-19 pandemic began.

    Along with the grim memories of long lockdowns, he recalls the regular patrols of police cars in his area, and the fear in the voices of his African-Australian clients, often young men, calling for legal help.

    “A lot of the areas I work in have a lot of young African communities,” the Somali-Australian lawyer said.

    Too many police patrols. We can’t have any of that if we’re going to have a real honest-to-Allah No-Go Zone here.

    But it’s all good, because these people came in LEGALLY! Got that?

  14. @Mike Tre
    "The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common: during 2020, American cops retreated to the donut shop while Australian cops went nuts fining people for going to the beach and the like."

    It's kind of amusing when Steve points out key words that are missing from articles like immigration, black, Democrat, etc., and then resorts to the same omissions himself. Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?

    And cops in the US only retreated to the donut shop when it came to negro violence. They were out there harassing, threatening, and arresting dads and veterans for playing in parks and not wearing masks in public places.

    There are thousands of hours of cell phone video available on the internet for you to watch illustrating as much, if you can stomach it.

    Replies: @Pixo, @BB753, @Anon, @Corpse Tooth

    “ Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?”

    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything. Sounds like you’re one of those statistical illiterates who fell for some paranoid conspiracies pushed by podcasting supplement-peddlers. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, oh noes!

    Mass third world migration is the most important issue facing the West. It is 100 times more important than Covid. And it is infinitely more important than rehashing your dumb anti-vaxxery.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Pixo

    Yea he did, and you’re nothing more than one of his garden variety, duplicitous lick spittles. What’s your real name again? Sodom? Cain? I can’t keep track.

    Here’s a pat on the head, little guy. Run along now.

    Replies: @Edelton P

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Pixo

    COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it's kind of important. And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.

    Open Borders are of course part and parcel of the whole Leftist holiness spiral, along with COVID and global warming. Closed borders are #literallyHitler; no sheetrock hanger's mask or jab means you're killing meemaw; people who grill steaks are turning the planet into Venus. Really, for the good of mankind, we just need to execute these people. And they'll proceed to write an AI algorithm that justifies it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Pixo, @Anon

    , @pyrrhus
    @Pixo

    Only a mathematical illiterate defends the mRNA vaccine, AFTER it has killed millions, and left even more crippled...

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything.
     
    Yeah, he kinda did. He was almost as obsessed with the horrors of covid in 20-21 as he is upset now about black people shooting each other. One problem with Steve is that when he plants his flag on a hill it stays there forever. There is no mea culpa (a la Scott Adams). He just backs away from the issue like Homer backing into the hedge. The fact that the U.S. government created covid and then covered it up. The fact that the government and their MSM agents lied over and over again to shut down the world and rig the 2020 election. The fact that a mysterious "excess death" phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that's a scoop!

    Steve on covid since 2021:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPJ9J-6vDw

    Replies: @Danindc, @AnotherDad, @Fenian Raider

  15. @Mike Tre
    "The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common: during 2020, American cops retreated to the donut shop while Australian cops went nuts fining people for going to the beach and the like."

    It's kind of amusing when Steve points out key words that are missing from articles like immigration, black, Democrat, etc., and then resorts to the same omissions himself. Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?

    And cops in the US only retreated to the donut shop when it came to negro violence. They were out there harassing, threatening, and arresting dads and veterans for playing in parks and not wearing masks in public places.

    There are thousands of hours of cell phone video available on the internet for you to watch illustrating as much, if you can stomach it.

    Replies: @Pixo, @BB753, @Anon, @Corpse Tooth

    Apparently, Steve didn’t bother to learn what was happening in Australia during the koofid lockdowns which were brutal in themselves and the repression vicious.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @BB753

    Suppose they're glad they gave up their guns now?

    Replies: @BB753

    , @HbutnotG
    @BB753

    LOL Australia went full Karen-on-steroids over the Covid thing.
    I was there once, 30 yrs ago. Doesn't surprise me one bit.

  16. @Pixo
    @Mike Tre

    “ Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?”

    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything. Sounds like you’re one of those statistical illiterates who fell for some paranoid conspiracies pushed by podcasting supplement-peddlers. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, oh noes!

    Mass third world migration is the most important issue facing the West. It is 100 times more important than Covid. And it is infinitely more important than rehashing your dumb anti-vaxxery.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @The Anti-Gnostic, @pyrrhus, @Hypnotoad666

    Yea he did, and you’re nothing more than one of his garden variety, duplicitous lick spittles. What’s your real name again? Sodom? Cain? I can’t keep track.

    Here’s a pat on the head, little guy. Run along now.

    • Replies: @Edelton P
    @Mike Tre

    People who's first instinct in an argument is to compare their opponents to Hitler are typically morons who don't have anything interesting to say. But you know who are even dumber? People who are always comparing their opponents to Lord Voldemort, Darth Vader, or other fictional characters like those found in the Bible. At least Hitler was real person whose ideology was followed by real people.

  17. I can’t wait to meet Ahmed Yussef. With proverbial Aussie hospitality, he’ll throw another scorpion on the barbie.

    • LOL: Kylie
  18. America’s culture has been our most devastating export. Western nations bought into the ‘diversity is our strength’ nonsense and began importing large numbers of people incompatible with their historic social norms and coupled that with American deference to minority grievances (real or perceived). The result is high trust societies become increasingly low trust and riven with the same racial rent seeking that have long been a fixture of American politics. We deserve a lot of the scorn that is directed our way, as our influence has not made lives better for a huge swath of the global population that has been directly affected or watches our embassies hoist the pride flag and lecture them about human rights, when we’re not launching expeditionary wars.

    • Agree: ic1000, HammerJack, AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Arclight

    I think there've been small other factors too, Arclight, such as: The Europeans, Aussies, Canucks, etc., have all looked down on Americans, especially Southerners, for their "mean" treatment of the Black! population with no understanding of what actually has been going on.

    The bought all of their OWN BS, and have done these stupid things to show how virtuous they are in comparison to American mean White people and to (attempt to) show us how diversity is done right. What dangerous experiments! Better if they'd all gotten chemistry sets.

    , @Bragadocious
    @Arclight


    America’s culture has been our most devastating export

     

    I don't know where you get the idea that Oz's problems are America's fault. First of all, Australians are very smug about their country and will deflect any alleged problems with the catch-all "well at least we don't have mass shootings like the Yanks." This is used throughout the Anglosphere as a put-down of America and as a propaganda wedge to weaken gun rights here. (It won't work btw)

    In other words, Oz celebrates its differences from the U.S., aggressively so. If American culture actually infiltrated Oz, they'd be lining up to buy AR-15s. But they're not doing that--they can't, and they'll tell you that's how it should be.

    As for the race/equity stuff, I think you'll find that started in Britain. We've already established that the 1619/1776 psy-op being peddled by the NY Times is an outgrowth of 200-year-old British propaganda: the Founding Fathers wanted to expand slavery, America is based on lies and deceit, etc. etc. All cooked up in London.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Arclight

    That’s not entirely true. The US was mostly homogeneous until the Hart-Cellar act. The constitution specifically says who is eligible for citizenship, and it wasn’t peoples from the southern hemisphere, or peoples considered non-white. No one asked the average American if they wanted or needed that change.

    Western culture has done damage, but we’ve done a lot of good. I would say more good than bad, from on overall perspective.

    A very small, well organized minority can absolutely hold sway over a disorganized majority, and that’s what has been happening. The size and breadth of America works against us in that respect. But, we need to start holding ourselves accountable.

    And we need to stop mucking about in the business of other nations. And we need to kick Israel to the curb, and sue for reparations for all the white blood shed on their behalf. Or if (((they’d)))just get the hell out of Dodge, that would be just fine.

  19. @Nachum
    I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @tyrone, @fnn, @Corpse Tooth, @Dr. X, @Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since

    ….the few that are around are more that likely FED…..oh how they yearn for a KKK.

    • Agree: Nachum
    • Replies: @Robertson
    @tyrone

    Did you see that LibertyDaily video of some Proud Boys beating up 3 Patriot Front feds yesterday?

    Adam Kinzinger slipped up with a "Freudian-tweet" and complained about the Proud Boys "assaulting Federal officers", a mistaken admission of who Patriot Front is (obvious Feds).

    Decent governments don't do Agents Provacateur. We no longer have a decent government.

    Replies: @Anon, @Nachum

    , @HammerJack
    @tyrone

    Speaking of, this is wicked fun:

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/sentimentality-dishonesty-idiocy-cuckery-britains-immigration-debate-as-bad-as-ours/#comment-6028944

    , @Brutusale
    @tyrone

    There were 130,000 KKK members in Massachusetts alone in 1925.

    "Few individuals, including Tague, likely believed Simmons’s statement.
    Fewer still would have anticipated the KKK’s astounding rise in New
    England in the years to follow. According to the Washington Post, from the
    Klan’s formation in each individual state until it peaked in 1925, it admitted
    21,321 members in Rhode Island, 65,590 in Connecticut, 75,000 in New
    Hampshire, 80,301 in Vermont, 130,780 in Massachusetts, and 150,141 in
    Maine.2
    KKK membership remains difficult to determine with precision,
    but even if the actual numbers in the New England states were a fraction—
    say, one-tenth—of the Washington Post’s reported figures, they would
    nonetheless be phenomenal for the region. Each of the six New England
    states had witnessed significant Catholic immigration in the late nineteenth
    and early twentieth centuries, much of it consisting of French Canadians
    from Québec, and the Ku Klux Klan took notice."

    https://www.westfield.ma.edu/historical-journal/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/KKK-in-MA-final.pdf

  20. @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don't need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also "But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land" -- Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains "legitimate" forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @epebble, @HammerJack, @Mehool Mehta, @Anonymous

    This is called “waqf”, and it is one of the primary reasons the Arab-Israeli sh!tstorm is so intractable; theological reasons, and there are others.

    Our leadership (and Americans in general) is so illiterate about everything under the sun, which is the cause of something like 90% of our train wrecks.

  21. @Arclight
    America's culture has been our most devastating export. Western nations bought into the 'diversity is our strength' nonsense and began importing large numbers of people incompatible with their historic social norms and coupled that with American deference to minority grievances (real or perceived). The result is high trust societies become increasingly low trust and riven with the same racial rent seeking that have long been a fixture of American politics. We deserve a lot of the scorn that is directed our way, as our influence has not made lives better for a huge swath of the global population that has been directly affected or watches our embassies hoist the pride flag and lecture them about human rights, when we're not launching expeditionary wars.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bragadocious, @Tiptoethrutulips

    I think there’ve been small other factors too, Arclight, such as: The Europeans, Aussies, Canucks, etc., have all looked down on Americans, especially Southerners, for their “mean” treatment of the Black! population with no understanding of what actually has been going on.

    The bought all of their OWN BS, and have done these stupid things to show how virtuous they are in comparison to American mean White people and to (attempt to) show us how diversity is done right. What dangerous experiments! Better if they’d all gotten chemistry sets.

    • Thanks: bomag
  22. @Nachum
    I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @tyrone, @fnn, @Corpse Tooth, @Dr. X, @Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    Then there was that “Klan” that Bobby Byrd belonged to in the 1940s. Wikipedia calls it *the* Klan, but there was no *the* Klan after some point in the 1930s. when the Second Klan lost its trademark. After that point any entrepreneur or idealist or police operative could set up *the Klan* and that Klan was just as much a Klan as any other Klan set up by anyone else anywhere else.

    • Agree: Nachum
  23. Colorblind civic nationalism continues its 50-year winning streak. First in America and Australia.

    Thank goodness because otherwise whites might start joining the identity politics game to protect themselves. And as we all know from people like Steve and Charles Murray, that would be the worst thing ever.

    Why, if that happened, whites might get.to stop groveling and have some pride in themselves. Can’t have that. Right, Steve.

  24. @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don't need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also "But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land" -- Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains "legitimate" forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @epebble, @HammerJack, @Mehool Mehta, @Anonymous

    That’s why nobody converts to Islam, they revert. Also the reason it took the Europeans to discover most of what we know about the ancient Egyptians. The Muslims literally had no interest.

  25. @Pixo
    @Mike Tre

    “ Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?”

    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything. Sounds like you’re one of those statistical illiterates who fell for some paranoid conspiracies pushed by podcasting supplement-peddlers. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, oh noes!

    Mass third world migration is the most important issue facing the West. It is 100 times more important than Covid. And it is infinitely more important than rehashing your dumb anti-vaxxery.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @The Anti-Gnostic, @pyrrhus, @Hypnotoad666

    COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it’s kind of important. And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.

    Open Borders are of course part and parcel of the whole Leftist holiness spiral, along with COVID and global warming. Closed borders are #literallyHitler; no sheetrock hanger’s mask or jab means you’re killing meemaw; people who grill steaks are turning the planet into Venus. Really, for the good of mankind, we just need to execute these people. And they’ll proceed to write an AI algorithm that justifies it.

    • Agree: BB753, Mr. Anon
    • Thanks: Robertson, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    •Strongly Agree!.

    , @Pixo
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “ COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it’s kind of important.”

    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.

    In some cases, government pandemic controls went too far (school shutdowns), in others they didn’t go far enough (travel bans). So what?

    You missed my main point to Tre. The “totalitarian agenda” isn’t to make people work from home and wear surgical masks at Kroger, it’s to race-replace Europe and White America. On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.

    “And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.”

    Take that up with Chairman Xi.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Mark G.

    , @Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground."

    If corona was just the flu bro, why bother? Are you just mad because scientists who work in those labs are smarter than you?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  26. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Pixo

    COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it's kind of important. And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.

    Open Borders are of course part and parcel of the whole Leftist holiness spiral, along with COVID and global warming. Closed borders are #literallyHitler; no sheetrock hanger's mask or jab means you're killing meemaw; people who grill steaks are turning the planet into Venus. Really, for the good of mankind, we just need to execute these people. And they'll proceed to write an AI algorithm that justifies it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Pixo, @Anon

    •Strongly Agree!.

  27. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Pixo

    COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it's kind of important. And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.

    Open Borders are of course part and parcel of the whole Leftist holiness spiral, along with COVID and global warming. Closed borders are #literallyHitler; no sheetrock hanger's mask or jab means you're killing meemaw; people who grill steaks are turning the planet into Venus. Really, for the good of mankind, we just need to execute these people. And they'll proceed to write an AI algorithm that justifies it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Pixo, @Anon

    “ COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it’s kind of important.”

    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.

    In some cases, government pandemic controls went too far (school shutdowns), in others they didn’t go far enough (travel bans). So what?

    You missed my main point to Tre. The “totalitarian agenda” isn’t to make people work from home and wear surgical masks at Kroger, it’s to race-replace Europe and White America. On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.

    “And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.”

    Take that up with Chairman Xi.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Pixo


    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.
     
    Yes, governments always seek to claim extreme powers upon any pretext. Another good reason to oppose government emergency measures.

    And, medical malpractice has always contributed to pandemic death tolls. In 2020, it was Remdesivir and ventillators. In 1918 it was aspirin:


    Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
     

    Another good reason to mistrust "The Science".

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.
     
    If those things are true, they were unintended consequences of the Bad People's agenda. In the annus horribilis of 2020 they really only had one immediate agenda item -- get rid of Trump! Covid and mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.

    It's not a super-coordinated planned out globalist conspiracy. It's just lots of powerful interests striving in the same general direction and sending signals through the media as to what advances the program. There are often flaws and inconsistencies in their crowdsourced and groupthinked (groupthought?) agenda. For example, it's hard to immediately do 180 degree turns on their positions when tactics demand (But they still do -- remember when vaccines were untrustworthy if they helped Trump?)

    On the other hand, the net result of this distributed effort often does look exactly like it was planned by a bunch of super villains sitting around a table at a secret base inside a volcano.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mark G.
    @Pixo


    On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.
     
    The Covid lockdowns destroyed large numbers of small mom and pop businesses. Small independent business owners are generally conservative, the type of people who would oppose open borders and race replacement. These are not people who you want to harm. Benefitting from the lockdowns was leftist big tech, since people were forced to stay at home and stare at screens. Benefitting from the mandatory vaccinations was big pharma, a major political contributor to corrupt leftist politicians like Biden, along with equally corrupt neocon Republican politicians. Both these groups are on the open borders side. The epidemic was also used to justify more mail in voting, also designed to benefit and help the political establishment in its effort to dislodge Trump from office.

    The state that came out of the whole Covid affair best was Florida. Adjusted for age distribution, Florida had a death rate at about the national average while suffering much less economic harm and loss of personal freedom than most other states. People voted with their feet in droves during the epidemic and moved out of liberal states like California and New York to Florida. DeSantis was against the authoritarian excesses that took place during the epidemic and is now against the current open borders fanaticism. He understands both are aimed at ordinary productive Americans.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  28. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    "The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common: during 2020, American cops retreated to the donut shop while Australian cops went nuts fining people for going to the beach and the like."

    It's kind of amusing when Steve points out key words that are missing from articles like immigration, black, Democrat, etc., and then resorts to the same omissions himself. Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?

    And cops in the US only retreated to the donut shop when it came to negro violence. They were out there harassing, threatening, and arresting dads and veterans for playing in parks and not wearing masks in public places.

    There are thousands of hours of cell phone video available on the internet for you to watch illustrating as much, if you can stomach it.

    Replies: @Pixo, @BB753, @Anon, @Corpse Tooth

    Did you get COVID yet? Was it just the flu bro? Or did you cry a river about how bad it was like the other corona deniers? And then fall for treatments that don’t f—ing work but you thought would because they were promoted by YouTube sports commentators instead of doctors?

    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Troll: 36 ulster
  29. anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    @Mike Tre

    Apparently, Steve didn't bother to learn what was happening in Australia during the koofid lockdowns which were brutal in themselves and the repression vicious.
    https://youtu.be/PvVaKFB65lw

    Replies: @anonymous, @HbutnotG

    Suppose they’re glad they gave up their guns now?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @anonymous

    Americans are too confident that merely owning guns can protect you from a tyrannical state.

  30. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Pixo

    COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it's kind of important. And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.

    Open Borders are of course part and parcel of the whole Leftist holiness spiral, along with COVID and global warming. Closed borders are #literallyHitler; no sheetrock hanger's mask or jab means you're killing meemaw; people who grill steaks are turning the planet into Venus. Really, for the good of mankind, we just need to execute these people. And they'll proceed to write an AI algorithm that justifies it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Pixo, @Anon

    “And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.”

    If corona was just the flu bro, why bother? Are you just mad because scientists who work in those labs are smarter than you?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anon

    They're not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet and can't balance risk-return because they're just getting free money from Uncle Sugar.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Anon

  31. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I do a lot of business in Australia and visit there a lot. Lovely country and wonderful people. But nothing annoys me more than all of the “traditional custodian acknowledgement” stuff.

    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.” I doubt many of the enthusiastic acknowledgers are willing to sacrifice their houses in Manly or Mosman….

    Anyway, lovely people and no more hypocritical than most of us (myself included). No offense intended to any Aussies reading this. Fair Dinkum!!

    Replies: @Wilkey, @raga10

    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.”

    Nah, I say that in response to anyone who says it. It’s one of the few challenges to Leftist self-righteousness that even most Leftists will laugh at.

  32. The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common

    Australian cigarette pack:

    American cigarette pack:

    Okay, I don’t know for sure that the latter are American, but they are available on Amazon, so the pipeline is.

    • Replies: @Corpse Tooth
    @Reg Cæsar

    I blame my candy cigarette habit on my weed habit.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Jiminy
    @Reg Cæsar

    This reminds me of the musk flavoured cigarette lollies sold here that used to be called “fags”. About a decade ago they had a name change. You can’t have kids sucking on a fag.
    The bizarre thing about Victorians is that they voted their crooked premier back in. Clearly a bad case of Stockholm syndrome.
    But the large numbers of immigrants being fined during covid there comes down to the big C word. Culture. They come to our country but don’t really want to blend in with the rest of the crowd. Can’t read or write English and don’t want to follow rules, so naturally there’s going to be a bit of friction. But the great thing is that while the cops are chasing and bashing the immigrants they’re ignoring the poor old white guy, which is a win-win situation.

  33. @Mike Tre
    @Pixo

    Yea he did, and you’re nothing more than one of his garden variety, duplicitous lick spittles. What’s your real name again? Sodom? Cain? I can’t keep track.

    Here’s a pat on the head, little guy. Run along now.

    Replies: @Edelton P

    People who’s first instinct in an argument is to compare their opponents to Hitler are typically morons who don’t have anything interesting to say. But you know who are even dumber? People who are always comparing their opponents to Lord Voldemort, Darth Vader, or other fictional characters like those found in the Bible. At least Hitler was real person whose ideology was followed by real people.

  34. Second Ashes test coming up.

    Australia is pretty amazing when it comes to sports. They defeated India in the ICC test championship, a nation of 26 million (mostly) white people defeating a country of 1.3 billion heathen souls. They punch above their weight in golf and tennis, are respectable in soccer ( probably the 4th or 5th most popular sport in Oz) and always have a couple of players playing major league baseball or in the NBA. They dominate in Olympic swimming, do well in cycling, some track events, etc.

    Their teams also are remarkably, uh, un-diverse. Usman Khawaja aside, the Ashes squad looks much like every other team they’ve had for more than 100 years. Scotty Boland is aboriginal, supposedly, but he mostly looks like any number of guys named ‘Boland’ you’ll come across.

    They made sports a national priority. It’s almost as if a white country that isn’t ashamed of itself can really achieve things when it sets its mind.

  35. The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common: during 2020, American cops retreated to the donut shop while Australian cops went nuts fining people for going to the beach and the like.

    American cops were fining people for going to the beach too. And to parks. And to Church.

    What are you complaining about, Steve? Those people were just “Knuckleheads” anyway, right?

  36. @Pixo
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “ COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it’s kind of important.”

    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.

    In some cases, government pandemic controls went too far (school shutdowns), in others they didn’t go far enough (travel bans). So what?

    You missed my main point to Tre. The “totalitarian agenda” isn’t to make people work from home and wear surgical masks at Kroger, it’s to race-replace Europe and White America. On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.

    “And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.”

    Take that up with Chairman Xi.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Mark G.

    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.

    Yes, governments always seek to claim extreme powers upon any pretext. Another good reason to oppose government emergency measures.

    And, medical malpractice has always contributed to pandemic death tolls. In 2020, it was Remdesivir and ventillators. In 1918 it was aspirin:

    Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm

    Another good reason to mistrust “The Science”.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Mr. Anon


    And, medical malpractice has always contributed to pandemic death tolls. In 2020, it was Remdesivir and ventillators. In 1918 it was aspirin:

    Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
     
    Another good reason to mistrust “The Science”.
     
    Who are we supposed to trust? Homeopathic frauds? "Traditional medicine" grifters? Screaming 300 pound internet antivaxxers like Alex Jones? Anonymous 90 IQ conspiracy theorist commenters like the ones here afraid of "mRNA vaccines" who don't even know what mRNA stands for?

    Science isn't perfect. It makes mistakes, sometimes royally screwing things up. It's still the best method we've got.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666

  37. @tyrone
    @Nachum


    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since
     
    ....the few that are around are more that likely FED.....oh how they yearn for a KKK.

    Replies: @Robertson, @HammerJack, @Brutusale

    Did you see that LibertyDaily video of some Proud Boys beating up 3 Patriot Front feds yesterday?

    Adam Kinzinger slipped up with a “Freudian-tweet” and complained about the Proud Boys “assaulting Federal officers”, a mistaken admission of who Patriot Front is (obvious Feds).

    Decent governments don’t do Agents Provacateur. We no longer have a decent government.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Robertson

    Proud Boys are FEDs as well, as are "Oath Keepers", Antifa, et al.

    Straight out of the Theatrical Production group underneath Langley HQ.

    If they're in the news, they're fake.

    , @Nachum
    @Robertson

    Back when Farrakhan had his Million Man March on DC, Mad Magazine ran a feature called "Behind the Scenes at the Million Man March" identifying each subgroup: "12,412 blind Klansman who think they're at a white supremacy rally" "4,275 bowtie salesmen who can't unload those red clip-on models anywhere else" "52,511 rappers taking a day off from singing about popping cops and slapping hos to celebrate non-violence and respect for women" and so on. The kicker came at the very end: "123,242 undercover FBI agents."

    I guess we're Allowed To Notice when it's done to a black group.

    You may remember back in 1995 Israel's (sort of) lefty prime minister was assassinated by a right-winger. The Israeli left loved every minute of it. They *still* won't stop talking about it, and blaming the right.

    Very soon after the assassination an uncomfortable fact came out: The shooter, you see, had been part of an extreme right-wing group no one in Israel, including the extreme right, had ever heard of. In fact, some extreme right-wing leaders remembered throwing the shooter out of their groups for being too crazy. And then came the truth: The group had been entirely created by a government agent provocateur working for Israel's FBI who apparently had been tasked with setting up such a group and getting someone to plot the assassination of the prime minister. Presumably at that point, the agents would have swept in, arrested him, and made huge political hay out of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" to kill the PM. (At the moment the PM is shot you can hear his guards on the tape yelling, "Blanks! Blanks!" as if they were expecting a show.) Except the agent encouraged the assassin a bit *too* enthusiastically and the guy acted a bit *too* early and you had one dead PM. (Conspiracy theorists claim that was the plan all along, but that's another story.)

    Well, the whole thing was so completely and immediately memory-holed you just have to marvel at the concept of a lapdog, biased media. To even mention the *name* of the agent- which everyone knew- is to this day considered extreme bad taste in Israel, as if you're excusing the murder of the sainted PM. The assassin went to jail for life; his brother either for life or a long time, and a bunch of people whose only crime was knowing him got locked up too. The agent was put on trial, presented as his defense that he was doing his job, and walked, like everyone knew he would. A few weeks ago he was finally, after decades, interviewed on TV, and given the most softball questions you can imagine.

    A few years ago, for the twenty-fifth anniversary, one of the Israeli satirical shows did a bunch of sketches on the assassination. One dealt with the "plan" behind the agent provocateur: "So, uh, you set up your cell." "Got it." "And then, uh, you try to kill the prime minister." "Kill the prime minister, got it." "No, you *try* to." "I think I get it...and then?" "And, uh, that's it." "So I just kill him." "No, *try* to!" "Just kidding."

    Anyway, the first comment on the video was some kid who had to have been born after the assassination: "What the f***, I just looked this up and IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!" The kid probably had the assassination pounded into his head in school. Of course they never mentioned this detail.

  38. OT: For those with a strong stomach, this video posted the Z-Man at Gab shows what the Ukrainians are facing as they approach Russian lines.

    Whether you’re on the side of the Ukrainians, Russians or neutral, there was never any doubt that the Ukrainians had no chance of winning this offensive and breaking the Russians lines. The offensive was purely for PR purposes and to keep the West giving Ukraine weapons and money. Guys like this are paying the ultimate price for what amounts to a PR campaign.

    Actually, the most pro-Ukrainian people here should be the most angry when they watch this, assuming you have the guts to. Ukraine should never have launched this offensive. They should have pulled back and made the Russian come to them, which would have allowed them to hit the Russians as they approached. Instead, they insanely attacked fortified lines, which allows the Russians to use their aircraft, drones, artillery – and to force the Ukrainians to walk through mine fields.

    This is murder.

    https://gab.com/TheZBlog/posts/110611872979945111

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    This is murder.
     
    Thanks jews.
    , @Mike Tre
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    That is pretty damn horrific.

    , @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You are simply shilling Russian propaganda. The primary counter offensive has not yet begun. There have been preliminary Ukrainian efforts to retake their land. We shall see how that goes. Putin can end the war and the murder of Slavs. Regardless, Ukrainian soldiers and citizens are willing to die for their cause—sovereignty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Truth Vigilante

    , @Anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Better to step on a mine than burn in a tank.

    War is hell.

  39. It’s important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater. Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there (Due to it’s relative isolation already) and it wasn’t until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks. They had sport and other events as normal like New Zealand during most of 2020.

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne (Due to there not being, like say the low countries a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse, if you shut the road and ban trail and air travel there would be little if any movement between those cities) and let outbreaks burn out in one major urban area before they spread to another.

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    If we lived under a rational regime in the West a big question would have been asked about what if any benefit Australia would get from opening it’s borders again would be. Didn’t see the country or indeed any Western country spectacularly fall apart from immigration being brought to a standstill for a year and a half.

    This wasn’t an option as much in the US due to the way people move around so much internally and lacking Australia’s vast empty expanses between cities. Though why Europe reopened their borders to each other despite knowing that it would trigger outbreaks that they would attempt to control with lockdowns despite movement between European countries being much lower and those countries being highly self-sufficient from the before times when countries meant something is beyond me. I remember places like Spain pleading to allow tourism again despite the fact that it would trigger massive outbreaks that would cost Spain and other countries more anyway, very strange.

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    People really hate gold chain man in all his forms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Altai3

    All they had to do was ban PCR tests and there wouldn't have been any "outbreaks".

    , @New Dealer
    @Altai3

    When I was there they called them Lebbos.

    But then would tell me you're not supposed to say that. Except among friends, I guess.

    The formerly common Abos had become more circumscribed.


    No one though was ashamed about the four Bs: beach, beer, barbie, broads.

    , @pyrrhus
    @Altai3

    If you're implying that there were benefits to the lockdowns, you're very much mistaken, as the WHO pointed out in advance...Check out the statistics and compare with places that didn't commit such heinous violations of the peoples' rights...

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Altai3


    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.
     
    Who's Australia's version of Hadi Matar?
    , @Truth Vigilante
    @Altai3


    It’s important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater.
    Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there ..... it wasn’t until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks.
     
    Altai, you are CLUELESS.

    I'm Australian, and as such am aware that we had huge numbers of inbound international tourists (many of which were no doubt infected from Covid) in the months leading up to the first lockdown in late March 2020, not to mention large numbers of foreign students from places like China where Covid is known to have been widely circulating in early 2020.

    To cap things off we had this event:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/aboard-the-ruby-princess-how-one-cruise-spawned-a-covid-19-outbreak-20200323-p54d2f.html

    That's right, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with the WORLD'S WORST cruise ship outbreak of Covid (more cases and more deaths than the much publicised Diamond Princess out of Yokohama Japan).

    And what did our state government do when the ship docked in Sydney ?

    The few dozen passengers that had obvious symptoms were set aside and treated, but the remainder of the near 3000 passengers were IMMEDIATELY released into the community.
    Taken from the article above:

    "We got off the ship so fast, they didn't even look at our passports," said Janet Dixon-Hughes, who found herself standing out on the footpath with her daughter and 95-year-old mother half an hour before her husband was due to collect them ....

     

    END RESULT: Covid quickly spread throughout the community. Most of us got it, we got over it in no time (after all, WE KNOW FOR A FACT that all variants* of Covid are no more lethal than seasonal flu), and we thus got natural immunity - hence the low fatality rate in Australia before the toxic clot shots were introduced.

    (*The more lethal strain of virus that the Apartheid Israeli state/ZOG infected Iran with, may well have been more dangerous, but certainly what the rest of the world got was akin to seasonal flu).

    Fast forward to 2021 and the alleged Covid deaths went ballistic AFTER THE INTRODUCTION of the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as Covid vaccines.
    Open up the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia':

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    Run your mouse pointer on the orange line in the graph for the first half of 2021 (a time when very few in Australia had received the Covid jabs), and see for yourself that:


    IN THE WHOLE EFF'N COUNTRY, THERE WAS ONLY ONE (1) RECORDED COVID DEATH in that 6 month period.
     
    The vaxx rollout in Australia was many months later than in the U.S. It was not until the second half of 2021 that a significant number of Aussies had been vaxxed.
    And what happened thereafter ?


    As you can see from the graph, Aussies started dropping like flies and there was a MULTI-THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in alleged* Covid deaths after the vaxx rollout.
     
    I say 'alleged' because this was the time when the harmless Covid variants like Omicron were circulating (not that the earlier variants were particularly harmful), so we know that Covid didn't kill them.

    It is CLEAR that the jabs were responsible for the exponential increase in fataliies.

    You go on to write:

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne ..... there not being ...... a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse ....
     
    This is yet further proof of how clueless you are.

    The are NO DESERTS on Australia'a east coast and the south-east of the continent.
    Between Sydney and Melbourne there is FERTILE FARMLAND and it's dotted with numerous townships along the way - most of which are small but sprinkled with more than a few medium-large sized towns like Goulburn, Albury etc.

    You also write:


    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.
     
    The fact of the matter is: LOCKDOWNS NEVER WORKED, whether in the short or long format.

    We knew that in REAL TIME - we need only have listened to the Great Barrington Declaration signatories ( Kulldorff, Gupta, Bhattacharya) as I did, to know that.
    Lockdowns caused far more collateral damage (ie: deaths, mental disorders, economic and societal disruption), than any infinitesimal benefit they may have had attributed to them.

    Only a brain dead slavish mask wearing Socialist distancer adherent of the Covid tyranny doesn't acknowledge that, in light of what we now know.

    Bottom Line: Altai, it's evident that you've swallowed all the B.S from the corrupt American MSM that claimed Australia had few Covid deaths initially because of our 'harsh' lockdowns.
    That was pure B.S.
    Australia has six states and two territories and ONLY the state of Victoria (not even our most populous state) had harsh lockdowns for most of the period (March 2020 - mid 2021).
    I live in NSW, the most populous state, and other than for a few weeks in late March/early April 2020 when schools and non-essential businesses were closed down, the rest of the time EVERYTHING WAS OPEN AND RUNNING AS NORMAL.

    Football stadiums were open and tens of thousands were sitting cheek to jowl in close proximity - and next to no one was wearing a mask.
     
    OUTCOME: The state of Victoria, the LOCKDOWN STATE, recorded over 80% of the Covid deaths for the whole country for the first 18 months of this scamdemic.

    The other five states and two territories had in AGGREGATE, less than 200 deaths.
    That's not a typo. That's LESS THAN TWO HUNDRED (200) Covid deaths for the first 18 months of the Covid Psyop.
    That's because the state of Victoria adopted U.S style chicanery in counting deaths WITH Covid as deaths FROM Covid.
    The other states were more honest and, for the most part, wrote the ACTUAL CAUSE OF DEATH on death certificates, unlike in the U.S.

    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and .... tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
    And, not coincidentally, when the vaxx was rolled out in mid 2021, this was the time when Australia wide lockdowns were introduced, and thus in all states people were forced to hibernate in their damp and dingy basements, away from immune system enhancing sunshine and outdoor activities.
    ie: people were doing the exact opposite of what they should've been doing - hence another reason for the deterioration in health outcomes.

    Altai, I'm guessing from your uninformed remarks, that you're vaxxed and boostered to the nth degree because you're an obsequious follower of all edicts from the 'wise government overlords'.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Fenian Raider

    , @EdwardM
    @Altai3

    I am not familiar with the Australian case, but in pretty much every other locale, Lebanese are among the most civilized and successful immigrant/diaspora groups. Mostly Christians not surprisingly. It’s really remarkable how they’ve thrived in the West, Arabian peninsula, Latin America. West Africa, East Africa, etc. while their own country is a fiasco yet not without considerable charms.

    Not saying we should welcome them, but if you have to associate with them in Dubai or America, you could have it much worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  40. As noted above here, Australia and NZ had fascist style COVID lockdowns second only to mainland China’s.

    There is a brutal, bullying streak in the British psyche which manifests openly in places like Canada and Aus/NZ.

    Citizens, like in Mother England, have no real “constitutional rights” even if there is a written constitution. Lapdog court “justices” defer to the new “Crown authority” like Justin Trudeau when the truck honking gets too loud.

    White Aussies like Canucks and Kiwis are disarmed and easily cowed by the local national cops with nightsticks and real guns. They prefer to follow the sheepish manner of, well, their local sheep.

    They pretend to be “free” but instead bow to “democratic fascism” decreed by schoolmarmish leaders who like American Democrats, use any excuse to boss and herd average citizens.

    Perhaps the non Whites there are not so servile as former Brits. Chinese are more compliant I suspect. Thank God America kicked out these Brit overlords when we had the chance.

    Meanwhile, stupid White Aussies are now “noticing” Forbidden Truths. Good!

  41. @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don't need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also "But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land" -- Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains "legitimate" forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @epebble, @HammerJack, @Mehool Mehta, @Anonymous

    That thinking may not be uniquely Muslim. I have heard some evangelicals use the term pre-Christian to describe non-Christians.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @epebble

    Yeah but Muzzies do it most and best.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r46YZJSfxks&pp=ygUXc2hvcCBob3Jyb3JzIHN1cHBlcnRpbWU%3D

    , @BB753
    @epebble

    Evangelicals are only marginally Christian and 100 % heretic. What they believe does not matter.

  42. @Mike Tre
    "The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common: during 2020, American cops retreated to the donut shop while Australian cops went nuts fining people for going to the beach and the like."

    It's kind of amusing when Steve points out key words that are missing from articles like immigration, black, Democrat, etc., and then resorts to the same omissions himself. Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?

    And cops in the US only retreated to the donut shop when it came to negro violence. They were out there harassing, threatening, and arresting dads and veterans for playing in parks and not wearing masks in public places.

    There are thousands of hours of cell phone video available on the internet for you to watch illustrating as much, if you can stomach it.

    Replies: @Pixo, @BB753, @Anon, @Corpse Tooth

    “omissions”

    Lots of complaints about Steve and his omissions in this thread. What the commenters either forget or don’t understand: Steve is not Big Pix. He’s granular, microscopic when it comes to the topics that earned him admission into the sinister West Virginia castle. His myopia occludes his view on Australia: the main issue the Aussies face is not black people; it’s the black spider. The Funnel Web Threat is existential. There are no boosters for the bite of the Funnel Web, but Steve is lining up for one anyway even though he lives in the San Fernando Valley.

  43. @Reg Cæsar

    The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common
     
    Australian cigarette pack:


    https://content.tobaccotactics.org/legacy/2020/03/Australian_packs.JPG


    American cigarette pack:


    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71ZYRTaTfqL._SX679_PIbundle-2,TopRight,0,0_SX679SY509SH20_.jpg


    Okay, I don't know for sure that the latter are American, but they are available on Amazon, so the pipeline is.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Jiminy

    I blame my candy cigarette habit on my weed habit.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Corpse Tooth

    I remember gum cigarettes, not candy, Mr.Tooth, both light green and pink.

    These gum cigarettes were not a gateway drug to real cigarettes, but they were a gateway drug to more gum... and candy... more sugar, which can be as bad for you as cigarettes, come to think of it.

    (How about all candy bars and packages being required to have big pictures of lower leg amputation surgery in progress due to diabetes on them? That might fly in Australia, mate.)

  44. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai3
    It's important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater. Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there (Due to it's relative isolation already) and it wasn't until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks. They had sport and other events as normal like New Zealand during most of 2020.

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne (Due to there not being, like say the low countries a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse, if you shut the road and ban trail and air travel there would be little if any movement between those cities) and let outbreaks burn out in one major urban area before they spread to another.

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    If we lived under a rational regime in the West a big question would have been asked about what if any benefit Australia would get from opening it's borders again would be. Didn't see the country or indeed any Western country spectacularly fall apart from immigration being brought to a standstill for a year and a half.

    This wasn't an option as much in the US due to the way people move around so much internally and lacking Australia's vast empty expanses between cities. Though why Europe reopened their borders to each other despite knowing that it would trigger outbreaks that they would attempt to control with lockdowns despite movement between European countries being much lower and those countries being highly self-sufficient from the before times when countries meant something is beyond me. I remember places like Spain pleading to allow tourism again despite the fact that it would trigger massive outbreaks that would cost Spain and other countries more anyway, very strange.

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    People really hate gold chain man in all his forms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    Replies: @Anonymous, @New Dealer, @pyrrhus, @Mr. XYZ, @Truth Vigilante, @EdwardM

    All they had to do was ban PCR tests and there wouldn’t have been any “outbreaks”.

  45. @Anonymous

    Spate of mass brawls at German outdoor swimming pools

    ... Some of the comments, blaming "social hotspots" or so-called "clans", appear tinged with racism: both are code words for immigrant groups.
     
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65985004

    Replies: @Robertson, @Moses

    At first, wealthier Germans will simply start going to expensive new private pools, members only.

    Then the foreigners will begin to get a numerical advantage at public pools and really begin to throw their weight around in them, intimidating the ordinary Germans.

    Then working class Germans will stop going to public pools out of fear. They can go to less-sanitary creeks and rivers though, or cheap plastic pools to cool off in backyard-style. Less German children probably learn to swim.

    Then the public pools start looking a little ragged, have graffiti, and damaged bathrooms, and public enthusiasm for paying tax monies for their upkeep wanes further. They become “slum pools”, that even newcomers don’t like.

    10 years later: wealthy German kids still learn to swim, and wealthy German adults have a more advantageous place to network/not have to hob-knob with the Hoi polli. Poor German youth increasingly don’t learn to swim, are less happy, spend more time on their phones, and gain weight from lack of excerise. Wealthy Germans have a brand new tiny life advantage, further insulating themselves.

    It’s not by mistake. It’s on purpose.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Robertson


    Poor German youth increasingly don’t learn to swim, are less happy, spend more time on their phones, and gain weight from lack of excerise...
     
    ...and have names like Kevin.

    It’s not by mistake. It’s on purpose.
     
    Forgive me for the 100th time pointing out that the Moynihan Report was taken not as a warning, but as a blueprint. By the likes of...


    LBJ Used this One Thing To Control Others Around Him, Which Became Known as the Johnson Treatment


    Less than a year after this guy took office-- and shortly before he was re-endorsed by the voters-- Anthony Weiner was born. Funny, I took very different lessons from the 1964 elections-- such as never trusting anyone with that name.


    https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/d11/e4d/51572aa038ec9426ab7dc53323b75deb27-12-lyndon-larouche.rsquare.w700.jpg


    Though sometimes a blind squirrel does manage to find an acorn:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/LaRouche_supporters.jpg
  46. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, Target, a go-to store for the middle-class, wants to die:

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anonymous

    These companies have so much legacy IP, founders' bias, and cash flow that nothing their idiot managers do even matters. They are as superflous as Hapsburg aristocrats.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    I'm so glad I'm an uber-male-style shopper. Go in, head to the stuff I intend to buy, and GTFO. If these displays are not near the cases of water, fruit, socks, cat food, stationary, or rubic's cubes, I would have no idea this stuff is going on.

    Now - back to the slightly O/T subject here - when Target had the idiotic floor stickers and stretched out shopping cart lines, that's when I was upset.

    There's still one lady at a register who wears a thick face mask. She's very friendly to pass the time and make her job better, but I couldn't understand the half of it! I had to tell her, so she took it off to talk to me... Whatever!

  47. @Nachum
    I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @tyrone, @fnn, @Corpse Tooth, @Dr. X, @Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    “It’s like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.”

    The soft power of GAE: We proudly fly the Rainbow and BLM fags.

  48. @Arclight
    America's culture has been our most devastating export. Western nations bought into the 'diversity is our strength' nonsense and began importing large numbers of people incompatible with their historic social norms and coupled that with American deference to minority grievances (real or perceived). The result is high trust societies become increasingly low trust and riven with the same racial rent seeking that have long been a fixture of American politics. We deserve a lot of the scorn that is directed our way, as our influence has not made lives better for a huge swath of the global population that has been directly affected or watches our embassies hoist the pride flag and lecture them about human rights, when we're not launching expeditionary wars.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bragadocious, @Tiptoethrutulips

    America’s culture has been our most devastating export

    I don’t know where you get the idea that Oz’s problems are America’s fault. First of all, Australians are very smug about their country and will deflect any alleged problems with the catch-all “well at least we don’t have mass shootings like the Yanks.” This is used throughout the Anglosphere as a put-down of America and as a propaganda wedge to weaken gun rights here. (It won’t work btw)

    In other words, Oz celebrates its differences from the U.S., aggressively so. If American culture actually infiltrated Oz, they’d be lining up to buy AR-15s. But they’re not doing that–they can’t, and they’ll tell you that’s how it should be.

    As for the race/equity stuff, I think you’ll find that started in Britain. We’ve already established that the 1619/1776 psy-op being peddled by the NY Times is an outgrowth of 200-year-old British propaganda: the Founding Fathers wanted to expand slavery, America is based on lies and deceit, etc. etc. All cooked up in London.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bragadocious

    "As for the race/equity stuff, I think you’ll find that started in Britain. "

    Please, I beg you, show us on the doll where the Brit hurt you.


    The only smidgeon of truth there is explained by Churchill (describing 30s/40s UK):

    "In countries where there is only one race, broad and lofty views are taken of the colour problem"

    In Victorian Britain a plausible rogue could make a good living from well-meaning people, some things don't change:


    "I made no observations on his ignorance, but inquired how he liked being a slave? He said not at all; that it was very bad to be a slave, as a slave was forced to work. I asked him if he did not work now that he was free? He said very seldom; that he did not like work, and that it did not agree with him. I asked how he came into England, and he said that wishing to see England, he had come over with a gentleman as his servant, but that as soon as he got there, he had left his master, as he did not like work.

    I asked him how he contrived to live in England without working? He said that any black might live in England without working; that all he had to do was to attend religious meetings, and speak against slavery and the Americans. I asked him if he had done so. He said he had, and that the religious people were very kind to him, and gave him money, and that a religious lady was going to marry him. I asked him if he knew anything about the Americans? He said he did, and that they were very bad people, who kept slaves and flogged them.

    “And quite right too,” said I, “if they are lazy rascals like yourself, who want to eat without working. What a pretty set of knaves or fools must they be, who encourage a fellow like you to speak against negro slavery, of the necessity for which you yourself are a living instance, and against a people of whom you know as much as of French or Spanish.” Then leaving the black, who made no other answer to what I said, than by spitting with considerable force in the direction of the river, I continued making my second compass of the city upon the wall."
     

    George Borrow, Wild Wales. Borrow's free ways with speech were probably encouraged by his impressive size and strength. He was a prodigious walker, once walking non-stop from London to Norwich.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/648/648-h/648-h.htm

  49. My favorite comedienne does parodies of tourists who spend a couple days in some other country and then come home bragging about their totally immersive cultural experience.

    Here’s her take on that one girl who just got back from Australia.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/YpdeQIUPo3M?feature=share4

    • Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Kylie

    That was really funny. I’ll have to check her out.

    I live in a coastal, HOT area, and we see that tourist burn all the time.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Kylie

    Outstanding!

  50. @Altai3
    It's important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater. Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there (Due to it's relative isolation already) and it wasn't until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks. They had sport and other events as normal like New Zealand during most of 2020.

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne (Due to there not being, like say the low countries a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse, if you shut the road and ban trail and air travel there would be little if any movement between those cities) and let outbreaks burn out in one major urban area before they spread to another.

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    If we lived under a rational regime in the West a big question would have been asked about what if any benefit Australia would get from opening it's borders again would be. Didn't see the country or indeed any Western country spectacularly fall apart from immigration being brought to a standstill for a year and a half.

    This wasn't an option as much in the US due to the way people move around so much internally and lacking Australia's vast empty expanses between cities. Though why Europe reopened their borders to each other despite knowing that it would trigger outbreaks that they would attempt to control with lockdowns despite movement between European countries being much lower and those countries being highly self-sufficient from the before times when countries meant something is beyond me. I remember places like Spain pleading to allow tourism again despite the fact that it would trigger massive outbreaks that would cost Spain and other countries more anyway, very strange.

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    People really hate gold chain man in all his forms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    Replies: @Anonymous, @New Dealer, @pyrrhus, @Mr. XYZ, @Truth Vigilante, @EdwardM

    When I was there they called them Lebbos.

    But then would tell me you’re not supposed to say that. Except among friends, I guess.

    The formerly common Abos had become more circumscribed.

    No one though was ashamed about the four Bs: beach, beer, barbie, broads.

  51. As Clive James said, a lot of Australians are descended not from convicts but from the prison wardens who came out with them. That could explain their rather enthusiastic lockdown.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Graham

    Could also explain their harsh refugee policy:

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/02/manus-island-australia-abandons-refugees-to-a-life-of-uncertainty-and-peril/

  52. @YetAnotherAnon
    Oz has gone in 50 years from the "ocker" stereotype of Barry McKenzie and Python ("I don't want to see anyone mistreating the abos - if there's anybody looking") - to the most PC place imaginable.

    When Ben Elton had finished with the UK he headed there to help the transformation of Oz.

    You literally cannot walk into a supermarket without a large notice telling you that


    "MegaMart Pty. acknowledge the Manuru people as the traditional custodians of the land on which this store stands (and we have zero intention of giving the land back, but it's the thought that counts). We pay respect to their elders, their culture and their sacred spaces (but not in cash)."
     
    Oddly when you walk into an Asian store in Bradford there are no notices acknowledging the traditional custodians of Yorkshire land or any question of respect.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    That’s amazing! Wonder what could possibly explain that….?

  53. Looks like MA might be getting this cr… uh, Government Mandated Innovation for the mere civilians.

    KA Kops better than civilians.

  54. @Altai3
    It's important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater. Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there (Due to it's relative isolation already) and it wasn't until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks. They had sport and other events as normal like New Zealand during most of 2020.

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne (Due to there not being, like say the low countries a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse, if you shut the road and ban trail and air travel there would be little if any movement between those cities) and let outbreaks burn out in one major urban area before they spread to another.

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    If we lived under a rational regime in the West a big question would have been asked about what if any benefit Australia would get from opening it's borders again would be. Didn't see the country or indeed any Western country spectacularly fall apart from immigration being brought to a standstill for a year and a half.

    This wasn't an option as much in the US due to the way people move around so much internally and lacking Australia's vast empty expanses between cities. Though why Europe reopened their borders to each other despite knowing that it would trigger outbreaks that they would attempt to control with lockdowns despite movement between European countries being much lower and those countries being highly self-sufficient from the before times when countries meant something is beyond me. I remember places like Spain pleading to allow tourism again despite the fact that it would trigger massive outbreaks that would cost Spain and other countries more anyway, very strange.

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    People really hate gold chain man in all his forms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    Replies: @Anonymous, @New Dealer, @pyrrhus, @Mr. XYZ, @Truth Vigilante, @EdwardM

    If you’re implying that there were benefits to the lockdowns, you’re very much mistaken, as the WHO pointed out in advance…Check out the statistics and compare with places that didn’t commit such heinous violations of the peoples’ rights…

    • Agree: Graham
    • Replies: @Anon
    @pyrrhus

    >Check out the statistics and compare with places that didn’t commit such heinous violations of the peoples’ rights…

    I checked Sweden, commonly cited by anti-lockdown people, and its COVID death rate was substantially greater than Australia or New Zealand.

    But opposition to anti-COVID measures has become a religion to some people, the facts don't matter.

    Replies: @ATate

  55. The obvious solution would be to ship these africans and middle easterners back to the sh*tholes from whence they came. But the Aussies unfortunately can’t do that because of something something holocaust something something.

  56. @Pixo
    @Mike Tre

    “ Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?”

    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything. Sounds like you’re one of those statistical illiterates who fell for some paranoid conspiracies pushed by podcasting supplement-peddlers. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, oh noes!

    Mass third world migration is the most important issue facing the West. It is 100 times more important than Covid. And it is infinitely more important than rehashing your dumb anti-vaxxery.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @The Anti-Gnostic, @pyrrhus, @Hypnotoad666

    Only a mathematical illiterate defends the mRNA vaccine, AFTER it has killed millions, and left even more crippled…

    • Agree: tyrone
  57. Australia announces $110 million in new military and humanitarian assistance for Ukraine

    June 26, 2023

    https://theconversation.com/australia-announces-110-million-in-new-military-and-humanitarian-assistance-for-ukraine-208465

    And today our Pentagon announced another $500 million of aid to the Ukraine government. At least it’s less than $2.1 billion the U.S. gave 10 days ago. I guess if you piecemeal it it seems like chump change.

    I wonder how much the people in East Palestine, Ohio got from the U.S. government? 🤔

    Oh yeah, that’s right, the EPA agreed to test the water and HHS gave a $250k grant to the health center. Oh, and Buttigieg wrote a “sharply worded letter” to Norfolk Southern Railway and eventually made Norfolk Southern pay 5-figures to residents who could show they suffered damage from the train derailment.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ohio-train-derailment-buttigieg-pens-sharply-worded-letter/story?id=97327971

  58. Police accountability advocates have accused police of racially profiling these communities.

    If racial profiling by police is necessary to save lives, though, especially a lot of lives, then is it really wrong to practice it? Especially if local communities themselves want this?

    https://philarchive.org/rec/SESIRP

    It seems like a good idea to have a default presumption of colorblindness but to allow this presumption to be overruled in cases where the state has a vital interest and where there is no other way to achieve this interest. Racial profiling might indeed be such a case.

  59. @Graham
    As Clive James said, a lot of Australians are descended not from convicts but from the prison wardens who came out with them. That could explain their rather enthusiastic lockdown.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  60. @Altai3
    It's important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater. Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there (Due to it's relative isolation already) and it wasn't until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks. They had sport and other events as normal like New Zealand during most of 2020.

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne (Due to there not being, like say the low countries a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse, if you shut the road and ban trail and air travel there would be little if any movement between those cities) and let outbreaks burn out in one major urban area before they spread to another.

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    If we lived under a rational regime in the West a big question would have been asked about what if any benefit Australia would get from opening it's borders again would be. Didn't see the country or indeed any Western country spectacularly fall apart from immigration being brought to a standstill for a year and a half.

    This wasn't an option as much in the US due to the way people move around so much internally and lacking Australia's vast empty expanses between cities. Though why Europe reopened their borders to each other despite knowing that it would trigger outbreaks that they would attempt to control with lockdowns despite movement between European countries being much lower and those countries being highly self-sufficient from the before times when countries meant something is beyond me. I remember places like Spain pleading to allow tourism again despite the fact that it would trigger massive outbreaks that would cost Spain and other countries more anyway, very strange.

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    People really hate gold chain man in all his forms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    Replies: @Anonymous, @New Dealer, @pyrrhus, @Mr. XYZ, @Truth Vigilante, @EdwardM

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    Who’s Australia’s version of Hadi Matar?

  61. Here in Norway “people of African or Middle Eastern appearance” were over-represented in hospitalizations due to COVID. They had gettogethers to watch a cricket match streamed or some such. They seemed ignorant about the restrictions that had been declared.
    Mind you, the chronic Norwegians also held parties, it wasn’t till late in the special circumstances that police was allowed, by a new law, to fine anyone for congregating. Before that police complained they were told to ‘fuck off’ when attempting to disperse any beach party.

    It really was a strange time.

  62. Strine slang:

    Descended from convicts: larrikins.

    Descended from guards: wowsers.

  63. In related news, South Africa’s supreme court– yes, the same one that gave all of Africa her only jurisdiction with “same-sex marriage”– has just ruled that flying the old flag constitutes “hate speech” under current statutes:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3pwOC1kWEOA

    (Relax. It’s a “Short”, limited to a minute. And whenever Canadians annoy you with their virtue signa(l)ling vis-à-vis the US, go to this guy’s channel to see their beloved balloons get a deserving puncture. A very needed service!)

    I liked the old flag. Like California’s, it breaks a fundamental rule of flag design (no words; no other flags snuck in– that means U[T]!– unless used as the canton), but in a very forgivable, almost endearing way. Every US state is– in theory– a republic, and the little flags for the constituent states which formed the RSA were arranged nicely.

    The new one looks like Amtrak-on-acid, and, worse, contains no orange at all.

    I didn’t know that blacks fenced– other than stolen property– but this fellow’s lack of sportsmanship and self-control got our whole team kicked out of a tournament, and perhaps cost us our spot at next year’s Olympics in– where is it, again?

    “Zonal” in the title makes it look like this is from John McCain’s native land, but, no, this took place in Peru. (Where, by the way, student governments are chosen by the teachers, not elected by fellow teens. On merit, let’s hope.)

    USA Fencing’s Olympic hopes in jeopardy after member’s outburst leads to disqualification at Pan-Am Games

    If you think the calls he was protesting might indeed have been unfair, you can see for yourself here.

    I don’t know a damned thing about fencing, except for those terms which make it into the crossword, but my ticket at Barcelona’s Olympics was the best investment of the trip. Eight hours of air conditioning!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yikes! Sincere apologies to any Utahns here. It slipped my mind-- you have wisely followed Pocatello's lead and retired your old flag for a very smart new model:

    https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/presto/2023/03/14/USAT/7eb9516f-5d1a-4dba-8dbf-acdc80d64e71-AP_Utah_State_Flag.jpg


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xvusGXlOOkY


    Now it's time for Lake Sebu to do the same:



    https://i.redd.it/i7v2xbyj79d71.jpg


    Yes, that's their idea of a flag. Don't even want to imagine their business card.

    , @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar


    this fellow’s lack of sportsmanship and self-control got our whole team kicked out of a tournament
     
    Found the racist! What you think you saw, white man, is actually concrete proof that the Pan American Games officials are way overdue for diversity training.

    Speaking of proof, I think troof will back me up on this. Not to mention T.D. Good day to you all.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Reg Cæsar

    If South Africa hadn't taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it. The U.K. doesn't have much going for it these days so it's got to pay attention to its brand.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Cagey Beast

    , @EdwardM
    @Reg Cæsar


    next year’s Olympics in– where is it, again?
     
    Paris. I have a bet with a friend whether they’ll fix Notre Dame in time. I say no.

    Remember the IOC considered 2024 and 2028 at the same time, and awarded the latter to Los Angeles. I speculated at the time that they probably did that, instead of the other way around, because they didn’t want to see President Trump grinning on the podium at the opening ceremony. It would be a great irony if they got that anyway in 2028.

    Still, I wish the Olympics would just go away, collapsing under their own frivolity, waste, and corruption. Or at least ensure that only wealthy dictatorships host them in the future. Put ‘em all in China, UAE, Qatar, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Equatorial Guinea, etc. where they belong.
  64. @Reg Cæsar
    In related news, South Africa's supreme court-- yes, the same one that gave all of Africa her only jurisdiction with "same-sex marriage"-- has just ruled that flying the old flag constitutes "hate speech" under current statutes:


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3pwOC1kWEOA



    (Relax. It's a "Short", limited to a minute. And whenever Canadians annoy you with their virtue signa(l)ling vis-à-vis the US, go to this guy's channel to see their beloved balloons get a deserving puncture. A very needed service!)

    I liked the old flag. Like California's, it breaks a fundamental rule of flag design (no words; no other flags snuck in-- that means U[T]!-- unless used as the canton), but in a very forgivable, almost endearing way. Every US state is-- in theory-- a republic, and the little flags for the constituent states which formed the RSA were arranged nicely.

    The new one looks like Amtrak-on-acid, and, worse, contains no orange at all.


    https://dickens2015.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/17309179_1539170599434728_8929150928988660165_n.jpg?w=440



    I didn't know that blacks fenced-- other than stolen property-- but this fellow's lack of sportsmanship and self-control got our whole team kicked out of a tournament, and perhaps cost us our spot at next year's Olympics in-- where is it, again?

    "Zonal" in the title makes it look like this is from John McCain's native land, but, no, this took place in Peru. (Where, by the way, student governments are chosen by the teachers, not elected by fellow teens. On merit, let's hope.)



    USA Fencing's Olympic hopes in jeopardy after member's outburst leads to disqualification at Pan-Am Games


    If you think the calls he was protesting might indeed have been unfair, you can see for yourself here.


    I don't know a damned thing about fencing, except for those terms which make it into the crossword, but my ticket at Barcelona's Olympics was the best investment of the trip. Eight hours of air conditioning!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @EdwardM

    Yikes! Sincere apologies to any Utahns here. It slipped my mind– you have wisely followed Pocatello’s lead and retired your old flag for a very smart new model:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xvusGXlOOkY

    Now it’s time for Lake Sebu to do the same:

    [MORE]

    Yes, that’s their idea of a flag. Don’t even want to imagine their business card.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  65. @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don't need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also "But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land" -- Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains "legitimate" forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @epebble, @HammerJack, @Mehool Mehta, @Anonymous

    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon.

    Professor in the current year: “Do I want to correct this student, or pay my mortgage next month? Decisions decisions.”

  66. @tyrone
    @Nachum


    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since
     
    ....the few that are around are more that likely FED.....oh how they yearn for a KKK.

    Replies: @Robertson, @HammerJack, @Brutusale

  67. @Achmed E. Newman
    One thing Australians (on-line, at least) seem to be proud of is that they don't have open borders. Well, sure, they don't have ANY borders, but the government has been good about discouraging successful landings of illegals on their shores. (I remember a video about this by some guy in fatigues.)

    Yes, the Euros. in the Mediterranean countries should learn from this. However, that doesn't preclude massive legal immigration from all over being just as bad for the country. "Oh, but we get to PICK them." (So, too, say the Canadians, but I've been to Toronto recently - post coming, hold your horses - and it's not all so pretty.)

    The Chinese may flat-out colonize the place... well, Australia AND Canada, while the Black! vibrancy has its usual effect.

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    I flew into Vancouver in 2013, and was stunned to see perhaps 200-300 Asians in line at international arrivals with Canadian passports. I had no idea the immigration was of that magnitude.

    I don’t know how most Canadians feel about Asian immigrants, but they are mostly not destructive. I have seen the Toronto roster of “most wanted”; there’s not an Asian face; maybe two whites, and the rest are the usual suspects. If only Canadians (an Europeans) had paid the slightest bit of heed to what many Americans have been saying about the inherent behaviors of Africans, especially those arriving straight out of the heart of darkness with no European admixture. The non-Persian middle easterners aren’t far behind in terms of depravity.

    Pauline Hanson in Australia has been doing her best to keep the brown tide out, but she seems to be a lone voice in the wind. When she’s gone, it’s curtains.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    Vancouver had been dubbed HongCouver long ago, TTTT. No, they are not physically destructive. Though not as friendly, in my locale, as your natives, they are easy to get along with.

    The problem is in the numbers. 1% Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/etc. people assimilated well into American society, or at some point even 5% is not a big problem. However, in large numbers, people a) have no reason to assimilate* and b) They import a whole 'nother culture. Along with that come the problems, like the CCP having police stations or having civil wars due to the importation of Sunnis and Shites. Who the hell needs that? Who the hell asked for that?

    Even if the Aussies and Canadians, so proud of picking the best people, did pick the "right" people, they'd still be changing their countries (barring Englishmen/Americans/White S. Africans only - even then, it'd be a slight change). Were the Australian people and the Canadian people asked about their preference about this?

    I don't mean to sound like I'm arguing against you, TTTT. I just follow the whole immigration invasion thing very closely - VDare reader for about 2 decades.
    .

    * I'd do the same. Were I to pull a Fred Reed and high-tail it to a gated community in Ole Mexico (Uruguay'd be my choice), I'm sure I would rather hang out with American ex-pats and live like an American as much as possible.

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    , @che guava
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    A Candidian friend told me years ago that Persian immigrants drove a giant spike in heroin trade.

    With the Viet influx that I don't recall, the Japanese govt. sent all of tens of thousands landing here to sucker places, mainly Candidia and the U.S.A.

    Remnant population in Japan, just over 4,000.

    I do recall the Iranians, though, the main things I saw were trading in counterfeit telephone cards for use in public telephones, but am sure that was only the tip of it.

    I met an ex-Tudeh member, he was a good person, but most were criminal types.

    As with the Viets, the government found sucker countries on which to inflict the crimewave, in the case of the Iranians, mainly Candidia, partly U.S.A.

    Not much later, a Japanese bureaucrat, Ogata Sadako, was made UNHCR. This was a point of pride in the media. To me, it was funny, keeping 'refugees' out is a great idea, but, really, why select a woman from Japan, which consistently refuses almost any asylum cases (and wisely, last year was about 200) as UNHCR?

    The whole point of UNHCR at its foundation was as a vehicle for Jews to move anywhere in the English- and Spanish-speaking, and European spheres where they may like to go.

    By the time Ogata was UNHCR, this had changed to using mass-population movements as a kind of attack-dog.


    -

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

  68. @Pixo
    @Mike Tre

    “ Covid-19 Steve. It was that thing you fell for, remember?”

    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything. Sounds like you’re one of those statistical illiterates who fell for some paranoid conspiracies pushed by podcasting supplement-peddlers. Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, oh noes!

    Mass third world migration is the most important issue facing the West. It is 100 times more important than Covid. And it is infinitely more important than rehashing your dumb anti-vaxxery.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @The Anti-Gnostic, @pyrrhus, @Hypnotoad666

    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything.

    Yeah, he kinda did. He was almost as obsessed with the horrors of covid in 20-21 as he is upset now about black people shooting each other. One problem with Steve is that when he plants his flag on a hill it stays there forever. There is no mea culpa (a la Scott Adams). He just backs away from the issue like Homer backing into the hedge. The fact that the U.S. government created covid and then covered it up. The fact that the government and their MSM agents lied over and over again to shut down the world and rig the 2020 election. The fact that a mysterious “excess death” phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that’s a scoop!

    Steve on covid since 2021:

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think Steve’s position on Covid held up well. Especially since he didn’t have crystal ball like you did.

    I would be curious to see what he has to say though.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    The fact that a mysterious “excess death” phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .
     
    Yawn is right. The same folks that trot out "it was all a scam!", now trot out "the vax is killing everyone".

    Well both can't be true. Here's the US death data:

    2009 -- 2,437,163
    2010 -- 2,468,435
    2011 -- 2,515,458
    2012 -- 2,543,279
    2013 -- 2,596,993
    2014 -- 2,626,418
    2015 -- 2,712,630
    2016 -- 2,744,248
    2017 -- 2,813,503
    2018 -- 2,839,205
    2019 -- 2,854,838
    2020 -- 3,383,729
    2021 -- 3,458,697
    2022 -- 3,273,705

    It's pretty clear. US deaths were ticking up a bit less than 50K a year as the much larger Boomer cohorts climbed into the "death zone"... then

    -- in 2020 deaths jump by 500K.
    -- in 2021 deaths ooze up but more or less stabilize
    -- in 2022 deaths fall back a couple hundred thousand, now probably only about 200k over the pre-covid trend. (You'd need some math--pre-covid death rates per age and then the age structure--to get a number. But death increase should be accelerating. Note the first post-War boomers--Clinton, Bush, Trump--are now hitting 77.)

    The logical conclusions:
    -- covid, being new to people's immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
    -- now most people either exposed and/or vax'd and the virus itself mutated, covid is killing far fewer people
    -- the spike protein is bad for you and there are lingering negative health effects from having covid or having the vax for some people so death rates are still higher than pre-covid

    Yawn ... life goes on.


    We could of course talk about something critical like the deliberate genocide of white peoples, white nations, Western civilization by mass immivasion.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante, @Mr. Anon

    , @Fenian Raider
    @Hypnotoad666


    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.
     
    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that’s a scoop!
     
    Filipino scooter riders, that's a new one. Anti-vaxxer idiots were predicting mass death in America. But people can look around and see none of that around them, so anti-vaxxers have to make up stories about mass death in foreign countries.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @The Anti-Gnostic

  69. @Kylie
    My favorite comedienne does parodies of tourists who spend a couple days in some other country and then come home bragging about their totally immersive cultural experience.

    Here's her take on that one girl who just got back from Australia.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/YpdeQIUPo3M?feature=share4

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @kaganovitch

    That was really funny. I’ll have to check her out.

    I live in a coastal, HOT area, and we see that tourist burn all the time.

    • Thanks: Kylie
  70. @Reg Cæsar
    In related news, South Africa's supreme court-- yes, the same one that gave all of Africa her only jurisdiction with "same-sex marriage"-- has just ruled that flying the old flag constitutes "hate speech" under current statutes:


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3pwOC1kWEOA



    (Relax. It's a "Short", limited to a minute. And whenever Canadians annoy you with their virtue signa(l)ling vis-à-vis the US, go to this guy's channel to see their beloved balloons get a deserving puncture. A very needed service!)

    I liked the old flag. Like California's, it breaks a fundamental rule of flag design (no words; no other flags snuck in-- that means U[T]!-- unless used as the canton), but in a very forgivable, almost endearing way. Every US state is-- in theory-- a republic, and the little flags for the constituent states which formed the RSA were arranged nicely.

    The new one looks like Amtrak-on-acid, and, worse, contains no orange at all.


    https://dickens2015.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/17309179_1539170599434728_8929150928988660165_n.jpg?w=440



    I didn't know that blacks fenced-- other than stolen property-- but this fellow's lack of sportsmanship and self-control got our whole team kicked out of a tournament, and perhaps cost us our spot at next year's Olympics in-- where is it, again?

    "Zonal" in the title makes it look like this is from John McCain's native land, but, no, this took place in Peru. (Where, by the way, student governments are chosen by the teachers, not elected by fellow teens. On merit, let's hope.)



    USA Fencing's Olympic hopes in jeopardy after member's outburst leads to disqualification at Pan-Am Games


    If you think the calls he was protesting might indeed have been unfair, you can see for yourself here.


    I don't know a damned thing about fencing, except for those terms which make it into the crossword, but my ticket at Barcelona's Olympics was the best investment of the trip. Eight hours of air conditioning!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @EdwardM

    this fellow’s lack of sportsmanship and self-control got our whole team kicked out of a tournament

    Found the racist! What you think you saw, white man, is actually concrete proof that the Pan American Games officials are way overdue for diversity training.

    Speaking of proof, I think troof will back me up on this. Not to mention T.D. Good day to you all.

  71. @Reg Cæsar
    In related news, South Africa's supreme court-- yes, the same one that gave all of Africa her only jurisdiction with "same-sex marriage"-- has just ruled that flying the old flag constitutes "hate speech" under current statutes:


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3pwOC1kWEOA



    (Relax. It's a "Short", limited to a minute. And whenever Canadians annoy you with their virtue signa(l)ling vis-à-vis the US, go to this guy's channel to see their beloved balloons get a deserving puncture. A very needed service!)

    I liked the old flag. Like California's, it breaks a fundamental rule of flag design (no words; no other flags snuck in-- that means U[T]!-- unless used as the canton), but in a very forgivable, almost endearing way. Every US state is-- in theory-- a republic, and the little flags for the constituent states which formed the RSA were arranged nicely.

    The new one looks like Amtrak-on-acid, and, worse, contains no orange at all.


    https://dickens2015.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/17309179_1539170599434728_8929150928988660165_n.jpg?w=440



    I didn't know that blacks fenced-- other than stolen property-- but this fellow's lack of sportsmanship and self-control got our whole team kicked out of a tournament, and perhaps cost us our spot at next year's Olympics in-- where is it, again?

    "Zonal" in the title makes it look like this is from John McCain's native land, but, no, this took place in Peru. (Where, by the way, student governments are chosen by the teachers, not elected by fellow teens. On merit, let's hope.)



    USA Fencing's Olympic hopes in jeopardy after member's outburst leads to disqualification at Pan-Am Games


    If you think the calls he was protesting might indeed have been unfair, you can see for yourself here.


    I don't know a damned thing about fencing, except for those terms which make it into the crossword, but my ticket at Barcelona's Olympics was the best investment of the trip. Eight hours of air conditioning!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @EdwardM

    If South Africa hadn’t taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it. The U.K. doesn’t have much going for it these days so it’s got to pay attention to its brand.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666


    If South Africa hadn’t taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it.
     
    Or at least the blue parts, which are Scotland's. Once the UK is no longer U, Hawaii will be the last place in the world to fly the Union Jack.


    https://nationaltoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/19-Hawaii-Flag-1200x834.jpg.webp


    Or maybe not...


    https://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Kanaka-Maoli-Flag.png


    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:


    A massive fight among hundreds of migrant workers from Central Asian states broke out over the weekend at Gazprom's Kovykta gas field, where thousands of workers are under pressure to build new infrastructure to meet the terms of a natural gas supply contract to China, according to social media platforms.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Mass-Fighting-Breaks-Out-At-Giant-Russian-Gas-Field.amp.html
     


    Nine people are in hospital after a fight between about 300 migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field in East Siberia.

    Several videos of the incident were posted on the Russian social network VK, which suggested the brawl began about noon local time on 23 June in a queue near a canteen.

    By the evening, it had spread to other parts of an office compound and temporary housing where migrants stay during their shifts.

    Some fighters were using sticks and steel bars as weapons.

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/mass-fight-breaks-out-at-russian-gas-field/2-1-1474680
     

    Anyone have a link to VK? Get out the popcorn.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Hypnotoad666

    The people who run the UK probably consider the Union Jack as distasteful as the old South African flag.

  72. @Arclight
    America's culture has been our most devastating export. Western nations bought into the 'diversity is our strength' nonsense and began importing large numbers of people incompatible with their historic social norms and coupled that with American deference to minority grievances (real or perceived). The result is high trust societies become increasingly low trust and riven with the same racial rent seeking that have long been a fixture of American politics. We deserve a lot of the scorn that is directed our way, as our influence has not made lives better for a huge swath of the global population that has been directly affected or watches our embassies hoist the pride flag and lecture them about human rights, when we're not launching expeditionary wars.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bragadocious, @Tiptoethrutulips

    That’s not entirely true. The US was mostly homogeneous until the Hart-Cellar act. The constitution specifically says who is eligible for citizenship, and it wasn’t peoples from the southern hemisphere, or peoples considered non-white. No one asked the average American if they wanted or needed that change.

    Western culture has done damage, but we’ve done a lot of good. I would say more good than bad, from on overall perspective.

    A very small, well organized minority can absolutely hold sway over a disorganized majority, and that’s what has been happening. The size and breadth of America works against us in that respect. But, we need to start holding ourselves accountable.

    And we need to stop mucking about in the business of other nations. And we need to kick Israel to the curb, and sue for reparations for all the white blood shed on their behalf. Or if (((they’d)))just get the hell out of Dodge, that would be just fine.

  73. @Hypnotoad666
    @Reg Cæsar

    If South Africa hadn't taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it. The U.K. doesn't have much going for it these days so it's got to pay attention to its brand.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Cagey Beast

    If South Africa hadn’t taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it.

    Or at least the blue parts, which are Scotland’s. Once the UK is no longer U, Hawaii will be the last place in the world to fly the Union Jack.

    Or maybe not…

    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:

    A massive fight among hundreds of migrant workers from Central Asian states broke out over the weekend at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field, where thousands of workers are under pressure to build new infrastructure to meet the terms of a natural gas supply contract to China, according to social media platforms.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Mass-Fighting-Breaks-Out-At-Giant-Russian-Gas-Field.amp.html

    Nine people are in hospital after a fight between about 300 migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field in East Siberia.

    Several videos of the incident were posted on the Russian social network VK, which suggested the brawl began about noon local time on 23 June in a queue near a canteen.

    By the evening, it had spread to other parts of an office compound and temporary housing where migrants stay during their shifts.

    Some fighters were using sticks and steel bars as weapons.

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/mass-fight-breaks-out-at-russian-gas-field/2-1-1474680

    Anyone have a link to VK? Get out the popcorn.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Reg Cæsar

    "But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time".

    The worse the West gets, the more conservatives will run this algorithm in their heads. It's the opposite of the "grass is always greener" mentality. It's a coping technique for people who want to be patriotic but live in countries that don’t love them back.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    Nine people are in hospital after a fight between about 300 migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field in East Siberia.
     
    LOL, I probably couldn't tell 'em apart. But hell, I'll root for the Tajiks. Go team Indo-European language family! Screw those Turkic spewing devils!

    At least in America when there's a race riot, it's pretty easy to tell the sides apart. Our diversity is our strength!
    , @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:
     
    Entertaining, "Go 'jiks!" ... but basically the same cheap labor shilling shit as in the USA.

    As I've pointed out to the Putin lovers, the guy is in no sense a decent a leader for Russia. Even before his latest stupid war, he had
    -- bombed the shit out of Chechnya in order to keep Chechens *in* Russia--the exactly opposite of the Russian people's interest

    -- allowed millions of illegals from the 'stans to flow into Russia ... so much so that the muzzies are able to fill Moscow's streets to do their passive aggressive butt in the air, "we own this joint" shtick.

    Obviously, these pipelines to China should be being built by Russian young men, earning high wages which they can use back home (in European Russia) to romance Russian gals, get married, buy homes, knock up their wives and start building families. The good stuff.

    Instead, Putin's drafting them to kill Ukrainian boys.... and importing Muslims to build pipelines.

    Vlad W. Bush.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  74. @Hypnotoad666
    @Reg Cæsar

    If South Africa hadn't taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it. The U.K. doesn't have much going for it these days so it's got to pay attention to its brand.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Cagey Beast

    The people who run the UK probably consider the Union Jack as distasteful as the old South African flag.

    • Agree: Kylie
  75. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666


    If South Africa hadn’t taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it.
     
    Or at least the blue parts, which are Scotland's. Once the UK is no longer U, Hawaii will be the last place in the world to fly the Union Jack.


    https://nationaltoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/19-Hawaii-Flag-1200x834.jpg.webp


    Or maybe not...


    https://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Kanaka-Maoli-Flag.png


    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:


    A massive fight among hundreds of migrant workers from Central Asian states broke out over the weekend at Gazprom's Kovykta gas field, where thousands of workers are under pressure to build new infrastructure to meet the terms of a natural gas supply contract to China, according to social media platforms.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Mass-Fighting-Breaks-Out-At-Giant-Russian-Gas-Field.amp.html
     


    Nine people are in hospital after a fight between about 300 migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field in East Siberia.

    Several videos of the incident were posted on the Russian social network VK, which suggested the brawl began about noon local time on 23 June in a queue near a canteen.

    By the evening, it had spread to other parts of an office compound and temporary housing where migrants stay during their shifts.

    Some fighters were using sticks and steel bars as weapons.

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/mass-fight-breaks-out-at-russian-gas-field/2-1-1474680
     

    Anyone have a link to VK? Get out the popcorn.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    “But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time”.

    The worse the West gets, the more conservatives will run this algorithm in their heads. It’s the opposite of the “grass is always greener” mentality. It’s a coping technique for people who want to be patriotic but live in countries that don’t love them back.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Cagey Beast


    The worse the West gets, the more conservatives will run this algorithm in their heads... It’s a coping technique...
     
    Perhaps, but Mother Russia's hiring Turcogooks for jobs that should go to their own young men-- affordable семья formation-- is a "coping technique" of her own. What are young Russian men doing that is so much more important?

    Or are they just demanding too much pay?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  76. @Pixo
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “ COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it’s kind of important.”

    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.

    In some cases, government pandemic controls went too far (school shutdowns), in others they didn’t go far enough (travel bans). So what?

    You missed my main point to Tre. The “totalitarian agenda” isn’t to make people work from home and wear surgical masks at Kroger, it’s to race-replace Europe and White America. On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.

    “And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.”

    Take that up with Chairman Xi.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Mark G.

    On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.

    If those things are true, they were unintended consequences of the Bad People’s agenda. In the annus horribilis of 2020 they really only had one immediate agenda item — get rid of Trump! Covid and mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.

    It’s not a super-coordinated planned out globalist conspiracy. It’s just lots of powerful interests striving in the same general direction and sending signals through the media as to what advances the program. There are often flaws and inconsistencies in their crowdsourced and groupthinked (groupthought?) agenda. For example, it’s hard to immediately do 180 degree turns on their positions when tactics demand (But they still do — remember when vaccines were untrustworthy if they helped Trump?)

    On the other hand, the net result of this distributed effort often does look exactly like it was planned by a bunch of super villains sitting around a table at a secret base inside a volcano.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    “mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie, that you willing to die in this hill of disinformation despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Because Jews or something.

    But, by all means, please continue being an iSteve content generator on this front. Even he realizes—but dare not admit lest he loses his gravy train—that this “Trump lost because the election was stolen from him” narrative is a sham.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666

  77. Australia was a paradise when it had the Whites Only policy

  78. @YetAnotherAnon
    Oz has gone in 50 years from the "ocker" stereotype of Barry McKenzie and Python ("I don't want to see anyone mistreating the abos - if there's anybody looking") - to the most PC place imaginable.

    When Ben Elton had finished with the UK he headed there to help the transformation of Oz.

    You literally cannot walk into a supermarket without a large notice telling you that


    "MegaMart Pty. acknowledge the Manuru people as the traditional custodians of the land on which this store stands (and we have zero intention of giving the land back, but it's the thought that counts). We pay respect to their elders, their culture and their sacred spaces (but not in cash)."
     
    Oddly when you walk into an Asian store in Bradford there are no notices acknowledging the traditional custodians of Yorkshire land or any question of respect.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Yeah, what the hell happened to Australia?

    An American, I had this image of the joint as being more “wild and free”–more uncrowded, more like the old American West, more free, more “male”, more “cowboy”, more “I’ll do my own thing and you can f’off”–than America itself.

    I realize this was hyped up. And I realize all the minoritarian propaganda pours forth from America into every corner of the Anglo-sphere, the English-language-sphere.

    But still … to go from that image to a joint of feminized, police statey church ladies … damn.

  79. @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything.
     
    Yeah, he kinda did. He was almost as obsessed with the horrors of covid in 20-21 as he is upset now about black people shooting each other. One problem with Steve is that when he plants his flag on a hill it stays there forever. There is no mea culpa (a la Scott Adams). He just backs away from the issue like Homer backing into the hedge. The fact that the U.S. government created covid and then covered it up. The fact that the government and their MSM agents lied over and over again to shut down the world and rig the 2020 election. The fact that a mysterious "excess death" phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that's a scoop!

    Steve on covid since 2021:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPJ9J-6vDw

    Replies: @Danindc, @AnotherDad, @Fenian Raider

    I think Steve’s position on Covid held up well. Especially since he didn’t have crystal ball like you did.

    I would be curious to see what he has to say though.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Danindc

    His position on Civid didn't even hold up at the time. Go back and read his posts.and the replies.

    I started to feel embarrassed for him after a while.

    Replies: @Johnnie Skywalker

  80. But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:

    The beauty of the BRICs movement is that they don’t care about bad press. They are about cutting deals for mutual self-defense on economic and security issues, not virtue signaling about muh “human rights” and “liberal democratic values.” They will leave that sissy stuff to the G7.

  81. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666


    If South Africa hadn’t taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it.
     
    Or at least the blue parts, which are Scotland's. Once the UK is no longer U, Hawaii will be the last place in the world to fly the Union Jack.


    https://nationaltoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/19-Hawaii-Flag-1200x834.jpg.webp


    Or maybe not...


    https://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Kanaka-Maoli-Flag.png


    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:


    A massive fight among hundreds of migrant workers from Central Asian states broke out over the weekend at Gazprom's Kovykta gas field, where thousands of workers are under pressure to build new infrastructure to meet the terms of a natural gas supply contract to China, according to social media platforms.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Mass-Fighting-Breaks-Out-At-Giant-Russian-Gas-Field.amp.html
     


    Nine people are in hospital after a fight between about 300 migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field in East Siberia.

    Several videos of the incident were posted on the Russian social network VK, which suggested the brawl began about noon local time on 23 June in a queue near a canteen.

    By the evening, it had spread to other parts of an office compound and temporary housing where migrants stay during their shifts.

    Some fighters were using sticks and steel bars as weapons.

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/mass-fight-breaks-out-at-russian-gas-field/2-1-1474680
     

    Anyone have a link to VK? Get out the popcorn.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    Nine people are in hospital after a fight between about 300 migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field in East Siberia.

    LOL, I probably couldn’t tell ’em apart. But hell, I’ll root for the Tajiks. Go team Indo-European language family! Screw those Turkic spewing devils!

    At least in America when there’s a race riot, it’s pretty easy to tell the sides apart. Our diversity is our strength!

  82. @Danindc
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think Steve’s position on Covid held up well. Especially since he didn’t have crystal ball like you did.

    I would be curious to see what he has to say though.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    His position on Civid didn’t even hold up at the time. Go back and read his posts.and the replies.

    I started to feel embarrassed for him after a while.

    • Replies: @Johnnie Skywalker
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Boomers gonna boom. They were terrified that some of that inheritance might actually reach their third wife’s kids! The nerve of Covid, robbing them of the best years of their life!


  83. Steve wrote American police retreated to the donut shop whereas Australian police kept people from enjoying the beach.
    While that is probably largely true, there are counterexamples; this photo is from Malibu California….The
    arrest of the solitary paddler.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @SafeNow

    The "killer beaches! killer parks! killer golf!" was definitely the most bizarre and stupid part of the vast plethora of stupidity.

    Unlike a bunch of folks here, never bothered me much to slap a mask on to go into the store. BFD. I don't mind having a mask on other people in Walmart trying to cough or sneeze on me while I gathered my milk, eggs, chips and beer. Trivial inconvenience, mild risk reduction.

    But outdoor recreation is precisely what you want people to do during a pandemic. Outdoors is best with little chance of a virus getting from A to B--unless A and B snuggle up to each other. So unless you're really planning on locking everyone up for the duration, outdoor is what you want to encourage. And beach is actually best--salt air and breezes. That's the gold standard.

    We were not completely free of this even in Florida. For about a month--April--they "closed" the beaches as in the beach parks and parking lots. Presumably to discourage the hordes from Orlando. But AnotherMom and I were still free to do our usual beach walk--a mile up the beach, a mile back down, then back to the house. But you had to "walk". You couldn't sit still. We once saw a beach ranger harassing a good old boy who was just sitting there by himself. You just have to wonder about the mentality of people? Or I should say you couldn't sit still unless fishing. Poles and lines apparently mitigate all the virus spreading that sitting promotes. So people who wanted to sit, brought their poles.

    Fortunately, after a month DeSantis shut down the crazy and Florida got back to something normal. The beaches were full in May and June. You'd see some weirdos walking the beach with masks on ... but hey, I've got to look at fats and tats which are much, much uglier. And the kids were back in school in the fall.


    The whole thing just an exercise in outing the stupidity and feminine--"OMG they're golfing! They can't do that!"--and totalitarian mentality of so many people, and the rarity of "does this make any sense?" reasoning.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  84. @Nachum
    I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @tyrone, @fnn, @Corpse Tooth, @Dr. X, @Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    If the Klan hadn’t actually existed, they would have invented it to fulfill the narrative. That’s basically what they’re doing today — there is no actual Klan of any consequence, it’s basically all FBI informants.

    There were a handful of Klansmen who did some illegal things in the ’50s and ’60s but their significance has been totally overblown for propaganda purposes. I think it was Ann Coulter who once added up the entire number of blacks killed by the Klan during the entire decade and it was less than ten — in other words, a death toll similar to a slow weekend of black-on-black violence in Chicago or Detroit today.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Dr. X

    Right, but the "Klans" of that era were just small local groups not connected to each other, not at all like the huge national organization of the 1920's.

  85. @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything.
     
    Yeah, he kinda did. He was almost as obsessed with the horrors of covid in 20-21 as he is upset now about black people shooting each other. One problem with Steve is that when he plants his flag on a hill it stays there forever. There is no mea culpa (a la Scott Adams). He just backs away from the issue like Homer backing into the hedge. The fact that the U.S. government created covid and then covered it up. The fact that the government and their MSM agents lied over and over again to shut down the world and rig the 2020 election. The fact that a mysterious "excess death" phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that's a scoop!

    Steve on covid since 2021:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPJ9J-6vDw

    Replies: @Danindc, @AnotherDad, @Fenian Raider

    The fact that a mysterious “excess death” phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .

    Yawn is right. The same folks that trot out “it was all a scam!”, now trot out “the vax is killing everyone”.

    Well both can’t be true. Here’s the US death data:

    2009 — 2,437,163
    2010 — 2,468,435
    2011 — 2,515,458
    2012 — 2,543,279
    2013 — 2,596,993
    2014 — 2,626,418
    2015 — 2,712,630
    2016 — 2,744,248
    2017 — 2,813,503
    2018 — 2,839,205
    2019 — 2,854,838
    2020 — 3,383,729
    2021 — 3,458,697
    2022 — 3,273,705

    It’s pretty clear. US deaths were ticking up a bit less than 50K a year as the much larger Boomer cohorts climbed into the “death zone”… then

    — in 2020 deaths jump by 500K.
    — in 2021 deaths ooze up but more or less stabilize
    — in 2022 deaths fall back a couple hundred thousand, now probably only about 200k over the pre-covid trend. (You’d need some math–pre-covid death rates per age and then the age structure–to get a number. But death increase should be accelerating. Note the first post-War boomers–Clinton, Bush, Trump–are now hitting 77.)

    The logical conclusions:
    — covid, being new to people’s immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
    — now most people either exposed and/or vax’d and the virus itself mutated, covid is killing far fewer people
    — the spike protein is bad for you and there are lingering negative health effects from having covid or having the vax for some people so death rates are still higher than pre-covid

    Yawn … life goes on.

    We could of course talk about something critical like the deliberate genocide of white peoples, white nations, Western civilization by mass immivasion.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    2018 — 2,839,205
    2019 — 2,854,838
    2020 — 3,383,729
    2021 — 3,458,697
    2022 — 3,273,705
     
    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline. (And, remember, deaths should have returned to below baseline because covid culled all the old and sick people that would be dying about now anyway if covid (and/or retarded anti-covid measures like denying regular healthcare and isolating people) hadn't pushed them into an early grave in 20-21.)

    Yawn … life goes on.
     
    Not for the extra 400K dead people. And these extra dead people are disproportionately younger and healthier than the covid casualties. Some of them are even white, if that helps you care.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95T2Bqht4Xg

    Replies: @epebble, @AnotherDad

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @AnotherDad


    The logical conclusions:

    — covid, being new to people’s immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
    — now most people either exposed and/or vax’d and the virus itself mutated, covid is killing far fewer people .....
     
    These are in fact ILLOGICAL conclusions.

    Scroll up to my last comment and see some actual logic (in the case of Australia's Covid stats), and how there was NEXT TO NO ONE DYING FROM COVID until after the vaxx rollout - and then things went ballistic.

    CONCLUSION: Deaths did indeed jump up in 2020 in the U.S in the first year of the scamdemic.
    That's because countless thousands were murdered by your corrupt health system (scores of thousands died from VILI - Ventilator Induced Lung Injuries).
    Additionally, it's estimated that countless thousands of elderly in nursing homes were neglected and died from lack of nutrition/dehydration and many more were euthanased with large doses of Midazolam.
    Remember also, that 2020 was the year of mass tramatisation, as the dumbed down masses were scared out of their wits with the government propaganda.
    No doubt many more excess deaths in that year were recorded from more heart attacks/strokes/excess suicides, all of which can be attributed to the relentless scare mongering and isolation brought about from lockdowns/shutting down non-essential businesses that bankrupted many and forced many to take their own lives.

    Simply put, seeing as the perpetrators of the Covid Psyop knew there would be large numbers of excess deaths once the vaxx was rolled out, it was imperative that they killed off hundreds of thousands in 2020 so as to make subsequent years appear not so bad in comparison*.

    This was yet another sleight-of-hand employed by the evil miscreants (ZOG) that perpetrated the Covid Psyop, which went over your head 'Dad'.
    Next time, try to think critically and not uncritically repeat all the MSM B.S you've been force fed.
     
    (*Absorb carefully the following important thing I'm about to write:

    If U.S authorities could kill of the bulk of those on the precipice of death in 2020, ie: those with devastated immune systems, those with the most severe life threatening comorbidities, the very old, then it STANDS TO REASON THAT THERE WOULD BE VERY LITTLE LOW HANGING FRUIT to kill off in subsequent years.

    In other words,the mortality figures for 2021 and 2022 should have been WELL DOWN from that recorded in 2020, and been on par with pre scamdemic figures - or even LOWER.

    The fact mortality numbers for 2021 and 2022 are similar to 2020 tells us that YOUNGER/HEALTHIER PEOPLE were dying in greater numbers post vaxx.

    And, pray tell, WHY do you think that is 'Dad' ?
    , @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad


    — covid, being new to people’s immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
     
    It started a cull of the baby-boomers (and any remaining GGs), as many of us predicted. It is beginning to emerge - as was pointed out already in the Spring of 2020 by us "knuckleheads" (to use Steve's appelation) - that a lot of those deaths were probably iatrogenic, i.e., they were themselves caused by the medical treatment those patients received (like aggressive use of ventilators).

    the spike protein is bad for you and there are lingering negative health effects from having covid or having the vax for some people so death rates are still higher than pre-covid
     
    Yeah, so maybe the idea of a vaccine that causes your own body to create those spike proteins (untethered to any virus particle, so that they're smaller and can get it into lots of nooks and crannies in your body).........................wasn't such a hot idea.

    We could of course talk about something critical like the deliberate genocide of white peoples, white nations, Western civilization by mass immivasion.
     
    What we saw in 2020-2022 was the deliberate implementation of medical martial law, the deliberate fostering of a weird society-wide OCD level of disease craziness that split families and isolated people, the deliberate coordination or the state with big business (the literal definition of fascism, according to Mussolini) for the empowerment and enrichment of an oligarch super-class. It was all done by the same people who push the white genocide you talk about, and it was all done for the same purpose. That was - and is - a big deal, and I'm not done talking about it.
  86. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    The fact that a mysterious “excess death” phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .
     
    Yawn is right. The same folks that trot out "it was all a scam!", now trot out "the vax is killing everyone".

    Well both can't be true. Here's the US death data:

    2009 -- 2,437,163
    2010 -- 2,468,435
    2011 -- 2,515,458
    2012 -- 2,543,279
    2013 -- 2,596,993
    2014 -- 2,626,418
    2015 -- 2,712,630
    2016 -- 2,744,248
    2017 -- 2,813,503
    2018 -- 2,839,205
    2019 -- 2,854,838
    2020 -- 3,383,729
    2021 -- 3,458,697
    2022 -- 3,273,705

    It's pretty clear. US deaths were ticking up a bit less than 50K a year as the much larger Boomer cohorts climbed into the "death zone"... then

    -- in 2020 deaths jump by 500K.
    -- in 2021 deaths ooze up but more or less stabilize
    -- in 2022 deaths fall back a couple hundred thousand, now probably only about 200k over the pre-covid trend. (You'd need some math--pre-covid death rates per age and then the age structure--to get a number. But death increase should be accelerating. Note the first post-War boomers--Clinton, Bush, Trump--are now hitting 77.)

    The logical conclusions:
    -- covid, being new to people's immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
    -- now most people either exposed and/or vax'd and the virus itself mutated, covid is killing far fewer people
    -- the spike protein is bad for you and there are lingering negative health effects from having covid or having the vax for some people so death rates are still higher than pre-covid

    Yawn ... life goes on.


    We could of course talk about something critical like the deliberate genocide of white peoples, white nations, Western civilization by mass immivasion.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante, @Mr. Anon

    2018 — 2,839,205
    2019 — 2,854,838
    2020 — 3,383,729
    2021 — 3,458,697
    2022 — 3,273,705

    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline. (And, remember, deaths should have returned to below baseline because covid culled all the old and sick people that would be dying about now anyway if covid (and/or retarded anti-covid measures like denying regular healthcare and isolating people) hadn’t pushed them into an early grave in 20-21.)

    Yawn … life goes on.

    Not for the extra 400K dead people. And these extra dead people are disproportionately younger and healthier than the covid casualties. Some of them are even white, if that helps you care.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excess deaths have become insignificant since January 2023.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    Simple arithmetic over absolute numbers can't be used since the 1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging and the leading edge is approaching life expectancy (79 years). Deaths will dramatically increase during 2025 - 2045.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hypnotoad666, @Art Deco

    , @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline.
     
    No, they are not.

    I just laid the numbers out for you in a way any intelligent 6th grader ought to be able to grasp ... but then you parrot this bogus--completely bogus--idea that American deaths should be the same as in 2018-2019. That's just utter nonsense for reasons that are both a) obvious and b) that I just explained.

    The birth cohorts in the late 50s where about 4 million. In addtion we've had massive immigration bringing in more people--in those ages and spread through the adult cohorts. There are 330 million+ people. You can do some simple back of the envelope and realize that US deaths must--well baring some crazy breakthrough in life extension--rise to 4 million+ a year over the next couple decades. 2018/19 is not some "baseline" for all time. It's not even a "baseline" for 2022.

    Here's are some back of the envelope, but reasonable baselines--for the last few years, just projecting what was going on:
    2020 -- 2,90o,000
    2021 -- 2,955,000
    2022 -- 3,010,000

    2020 -- 480K excess deaths
    2021 -- 500K excess deaths
    2022 -- 260K excess deaths

    Anyone telling you there are 15% excess deaths now--which there indeed were during 2020-21--is perpetrating a fraud.

    And no covid is not "over". It had dialed way back but is still killing lots of extra people. (The CDC lists 244K, though some of those will of course not be covid deaths but other issues were covid was merely an aggravating factor or simply around.) And until some further medical breakthrough covid is never going to be "over". Just like the flu is never "over".

    The 2022 excess? Spitballing:
    #1 -- the majority: covid deaths, old/sickly folks pushed over the edge by covid infection
    #2 -- deaths from worse health due to previous covid infection and/or the vax
    #3 -- deaths from just generally shittier life in the USA post-pandemic/St.George OD; more drug use/overdoses, more obesity, more traffic accidents, more murders, more alienation

    This is not complicated. We--well Fauci and Daszak and the Bat girl--introduced a new pathogen, which has probably peeled back a couple of years of life expectancy (from the roughly 10 year gain during my lifetime).


    Note: I don't at all discount the covid vax causing some of this. It almost certainly is. (My default "common sense" take: vax is bad, covid infection is worse. One hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins. The other hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins ... on viruses that then go and hijack more of your cells to make more spike proteins on viruses which hijack more of your cells. ...)

    Vaccines are basically almost always "bad for you". People take them to mitigate something that is even worse for you. (They did crazy innoculation/exposure in the old days that had results like 2% death rate ... because they were facing things like smallpox or yellow fever that would kill 15-30%.)

    But ... you have to show that the vax is in the net negative. (Or that there's some compelling scientific reason for it to be worse than infection.) I.e. that people getting vaxed is worse for them. And that does not mean "more vaxed people" or "relatively more vaxxed people" dying. We know vaccination--quite reasonably--skews old/less-healthy. It has to be age and health status adjusted data that shows vaccination is worse than not. And even then ... you want to compare both people who then got covid and those who did not. I.e. we assume getting the vax is worse for you than not ... if you don't get covid. But we assume everyone will eventually be exposed, so the real issue is the full life cycle. (At least in 2021, getting the vax was highly beneficial. People who did not had a far higher hospitalization and death rates.) But whether that is still the case? Do not know. It could be that the vax is sufficiently worthless against current covid, that the lives saved in 2021, and being cancelled out by lives lost down the road from a now worthless vaccine. All this requires carefully parsing through the data.

    But most of the "it's the vax!" people fail even the most basic sanity checks--super simple stuff like what should be the "baseline" deaths to compare to in a nation with a rapidly expanding elderly population. If you can't "do the math" ... your opinion is worthless.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Hypnotoad666, @megabar

  87. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    2018 — 2,839,205
    2019 — 2,854,838
    2020 — 3,383,729
    2021 — 3,458,697
    2022 — 3,273,705
     
    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline. (And, remember, deaths should have returned to below baseline because covid culled all the old and sick people that would be dying about now anyway if covid (and/or retarded anti-covid measures like denying regular healthcare and isolating people) hadn't pushed them into an early grave in 20-21.)

    Yawn … life goes on.
     
    Not for the extra 400K dead people. And these extra dead people are disproportionately younger and healthier than the covid casualties. Some of them are even white, if that helps you care.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95T2Bqht4Xg

    Replies: @epebble, @AnotherDad

    Excess deaths have become insignificant since January 2023.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    Simple arithmetic over absolute numbers can’t be used since the 1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging and the leading edge is approaching life expectancy (79 years). Deaths will dramatically increase during 2025 – 2045.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    The CDC Excess death counts come with a lag of up to 10 weeks, but it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection, which is way down from the 25% to 45% excess deaths regularly seen during the first five big covid waves up through Omicron in early 2022, or the +10% seen in the last covid wave late in 2022.

    Replies: @HA, @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @epebble


    Excess deaths have become insignificant since January 2023.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
     
    I am not saying this study is necessarily wrong or that declining excess deaths prove or disprove anything about the vax.

    But, as a general proposition, I just want to point out that using CDC "studies" to prove that the CDC was right about anything is not valid. The CDC has proven that it is biased and politicized and will engage in any manner of obfuscation, outright lies, or statistical malpractice to cover its ass.

    What needs to happen is for all raw data to be released publicly so actual smart people without a conflict of interest and political agenda can analyze it. (And also let the partisans on each side spin away on the raw data, too). The fact they won't allow this is telling by itself.
    , @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Someone 77 years of age has a life expectancy of about 10 years, ceteris paribus.
    ==
    1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging
    ==
    No one is aging any more rapidly than anyone else.

    Replies: @epebble

  88. @epebble
    @J.Ross

    That thinking may not be uniquely Muslim. I have heard some evangelicals use the term pre-Christian to describe non-Christians.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @BB753

  89. @SafeNow
    https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/396dc96/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1200x630+0+22/resize/1200x630!/quality/80/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fe4%2F36%2F21f0fb0d4f92b49e67d4ba9aed4d%2Fpaddleboarder-arrest.jpg

    Steve wrote American police retreated to the donut shop whereas Australian police kept people from enjoying the beach.
    While that is probably largely true, there are counterexamples; this photo is from Malibu California….The
    arrest of the solitary paddler.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The “killer beaches! killer parks! killer golf!” was definitely the most bizarre and stupid part of the vast plethora of stupidity.

    Unlike a bunch of folks here, never bothered me much to slap a mask on to go into the store. BFD. I don’t mind having a mask on other people in Walmart trying to cough or sneeze on me while I gathered my milk, eggs, chips and beer. Trivial inconvenience, mild risk reduction.

    But outdoor recreation is precisely what you want people to do during a pandemic. Outdoors is best with little chance of a virus getting from A to B–unless A and B snuggle up to each other. So unless you’re really planning on locking everyone up for the duration, outdoor is what you want to encourage. And beach is actually best–salt air and breezes. That’s the gold standard.

    We were not completely free of this even in Florida. For about a month–April–they “closed” the beaches as in the beach parks and parking lots. Presumably to discourage the hordes from Orlando. But AnotherMom and I were still free to do our usual beach walk–a mile up the beach, a mile back down, then back to the house. But you had to “walk”. You couldn’t sit still. We once saw a beach ranger harassing a good old boy who was just sitting there by himself. You just have to wonder about the mentality of people? Or I should say you couldn’t sit still unless fishing. Poles and lines apparently mitigate all the virus spreading that sitting promotes. So people who wanted to sit, brought their poles.

    Fortunately, after a month DeSantis shut down the crazy and Florida got back to something normal. The beaches were full in May and June. You’d see some weirdos walking the beach with masks on … but hey, I’ve got to look at fats and tats which are much, much uglier. And the kids were back in school in the fall.

    The whole thing just an exercise in outing the stupidity and feminine–“OMG they’re golfing! They can’t do that!”–and totalitarian mentality of so many people, and the rarity of “does this make any sense?” reasoning.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    I agree with you wholeheartedly here and now, AD. That's especially with regard to Governor DeSantis, a guy I didn't even know existed until his great pushback against the Kung Flu Totalitarianism 3 years ago, with his understanding and use of Federalism. (It's one more difference between him and the Donald. DeSantis has and understands principles.)

    That's here and now. As I recall, you were NOT one of the anti-Totalitarianism commenters on here wrt the Kung Flu until much later in the whole PanicFest. I'm not gonna go look up comments, but during that 2 or 3 month period in which 75% of the posts were about "we should do this", "maybe let's make people do that", "masks should be made in America" (well, they should, but not the point), "how about this?", "Look at what's going on at the ski resorts in Italy"*, you were into all that. By "into all that", I mean, I don't recall any cries of "lighten the hell up" and "let's just leave people alone" from you at that time.

    I don't expect an apology from anyone - it's iSteve's blog, he's a force for good, and everyone makes mistakes. Maybe a small, "well, about my listening to and believing every back-and-forth piece of advice and admonishment from Dr. Fauci and those EXPERTS, I may have been, cough, cough, slightly too, cough, naive, cough, and subservient, cough...."


    .

    * I get it. iSteve notices interesting trends, and he likes analyzing them. However, all that, for 3 months running, was for the purpose of "What do we do? What do we do?" "WE" didn't need to be told to do ANYTHING. That is even it it WERE the Black Death 2.0, which we all agree (NOW) that it wasn't. I and everyone else who has a survival instinct would have known what to do, were it Black Death 2.0.

  90. Anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @pyrrhus
    @Altai3

    If you're implying that there were benefits to the lockdowns, you're very much mistaken, as the WHO pointed out in advance...Check out the statistics and compare with places that didn't commit such heinous violations of the peoples' rights...

    Replies: @Anon

    >Check out the statistics and compare with places that didn’t commit such heinous violations of the peoples’ rights…

    I checked Sweden, commonly cited by anti-lockdown people, and its COVID death rate was substantially greater than Australia or New Zealand.

    But opposition to anti-COVID measures has become a religion to some people, the facts don’t matter.

    • Replies: @ATate
    @Anon

    How does Sweden compare to other countries that are not Islands like NZ and Australia?

  91. Anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @Pixo


    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.
     
    Yes, governments always seek to claim extreme powers upon any pretext. Another good reason to oppose government emergency measures.

    And, medical malpractice has always contributed to pandemic death tolls. In 2020, it was Remdesivir and ventillators. In 1918 it was aspirin:


    Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
     

    Another good reason to mistrust "The Science".

    Replies: @Anon

    And, medical malpractice has always contributed to pandemic death tolls. In 2020, it was Remdesivir and ventillators. In 1918 it was aspirin:

    Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm

    Another good reason to mistrust “The Science”.

    Who are we supposed to trust? Homeopathic frauds? “Traditional medicine” grifters? Screaming 300 pound internet antivaxxers like Alex Jones? Anonymous 90 IQ conspiracy theorist commenters like the ones here afraid of “mRNA vaccines” who don’t even know what mRNA stands for?

    Science isn’t perfect. It makes mistakes, sometimes royally screwing things up. It’s still the best method we’ve got.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    Who are we supposed to trust?
     
    Maybe nobody. But certainly not people (like Anthony Fauci) who think you should not be permitted to even hear or read other opinions and who work to suppress them.

    Homeopathic frauds? “Traditional medicine” grifters? Screaming 300 pound internet antivaxxers like Alex Jones? Anonymous 90 IQ conspiracy theorist commenters like the ones here afraid of “mRNA vaccines” who don’t even know what mRNA stands for?
     
    Sure, anybody who has reservations or questions about memory Ribonucleic Acid (you jerk) vaccines is on a par with homeopaths and snake-oil salesman.

    Science isn’t perfect. It makes mistakes, sometimes royally screwing things up. It’s still the best method we’ve got.
     
    Yeah, science is pretty good. But that isn't what we got over the last three years. We got "The Science" (TM). Scientism - a cult - science turned into some kind of received religion.

    And pick a godda**ed screen name if you want to discourse here.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Anon


    Science isn’t perfect. It makes mistakes,
     
    "Science" is the process of applying logic to data. "Science" is not a group of authority figures or their consensus beliefs.

    "Science" doesn't make mistakes. People make mistakes in collecting data or applying logic to that data. Sorry to be pedantic. But if you use words too loosely you end up with bad logical fallacies -- like the MSM party line that treats "science" as nothing more than an appeal to authority.
  92. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Still waiting for those Norfolk Island reparations. Nah, who am I kidding? Those guys were white.

    Meanwhile, back in the jungle....



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    Some good advice from Chopper Reid in that 2 min video in comment # 11.

    Americans would do well to pay heed to that.

  93. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jim Don Bob


    OT: They found Julian Sands’ body.
     
    Did he have Covid?
  94. @Robertson
    @Anonymous

    At first, wealthier Germans will simply start going to expensive new private pools, members only.

    Then the foreigners will begin to get a numerical advantage at public pools and really begin to throw their weight around in them, intimidating the ordinary Germans.

    Then working class Germans will stop going to public pools out of fear. They can go to less-sanitary creeks and rivers though, or cheap plastic pools to cool off in backyard-style. Less German children probably learn to swim.

    Then the public pools start looking a little ragged, have graffiti, and damaged bathrooms, and public enthusiasm for paying tax monies for their upkeep wanes further. They become "slum pools", that even newcomers don't like.


    10 years later: wealthy German kids still learn to swim, and wealthy German adults have a more advantageous place to network/not have to hob-knob with the Hoi polli. Poor German youth increasingly don't learn to swim, are less happy, spend more time on their phones, and gain weight from lack of excerise. Wealthy Germans have a brand new tiny life advantage, further insulating themselves.

    It's not by mistake. It's on purpose.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Poor German youth increasingly don’t learn to swim, are less happy, spend more time on their phones, and gain weight from lack of excerise…

    …and have names like Kevin.

    It’s not by mistake. It’s on purpose.

    Forgive me for the 100th time pointing out that the Moynihan Report was taken not as a warning, but as a blueprint. By the likes of…

    LBJ Used this One Thing To Control Others Around Him, Which Became Known as the Johnson Treatment

    Less than a year after this guy took office– and shortly before he was re-endorsed by the voters– Anthony Weiner was born. Funny, I took very different lessons from the 1964 elections– such as never trusting anyone with that name.

    Though sometimes a blind squirrel does manage to find an acorn:

  95. @Cagey Beast
    @Reg Cæsar

    "But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time".

    The worse the West gets, the more conservatives will run this algorithm in their heads. It's the opposite of the "grass is always greener" mentality. It's a coping technique for people who want to be patriotic but live in countries that don’t love them back.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The worse the West gets, the more conservatives will run this algorithm in their heads… It’s a coping technique…

    Perhaps, but Mother Russia’s hiring Turcogooks for jobs that should go to their own young men– affordable семья formation– is a “coping technique” of her own. What are young Russian men doing that is so much more important?

    Or are they just demanding too much pay?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Reg Cæsar

    How would I know and why would I care? The same questions could be asked of you. That's my point: the worse things get here at home, the more some people will cling to faraway incidents like these.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  96. @Reg Cæsar
    @Cagey Beast


    The worse the West gets, the more conservatives will run this algorithm in their heads... It’s a coping technique...
     
    Perhaps, but Mother Russia's hiring Turcogooks for jobs that should go to their own young men-- affordable семья formation-- is a "coping technique" of her own. What are young Russian men doing that is so much more important?

    Or are they just demanding too much pay?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    How would I know and why would I care? The same questions could be asked of you. That’s my point: the worse things get here at home, the more some people will cling to faraway incidents like these.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Cagey Beast


    That’s my point: the worse things get here at home, the more some people will cling to faraway incidents like these.
     
    My "point" isn't "clinging", it's that almost every place on earth is in some demographic crisis, though those crises differ. Who is on deck to replace us? Yes, the major league players have degraded, but the AAA level is even worse: China is said to be the first country to grow old before growing rich. Russia is imploding. Indians can't wait to leave. Brazil has become the mulato inzoneiro of her most famous song. (Mexico is likewise a mestizo intrigoso.)

    Eastern Europe and East Asia aren't self-inundating with immigrants, but also have the world's lowest birthrates. Their demographic solstice is here. Korea, the best story of the lot, is still ⅓ communist.

    Face it, the whole world sucks. The West is still the best, but only by default.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  97. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Danindc

    His position on Civid didn't even hold up at the time. Go back and read his posts.and the replies.

    I started to feel embarrassed for him after a while.

    Replies: @Johnnie Skywalker

    Boomers gonna boom. They were terrified that some of that inheritance might actually reach their third wife’s kids! The nerve of Covid, robbing them of the best years of their life!

  98. @Anon
    @pyrrhus

    >Check out the statistics and compare with places that didn’t commit such heinous violations of the peoples’ rights…

    I checked Sweden, commonly cited by anti-lockdown people, and its COVID death rate was substantially greater than Australia or New Zealand.

    But opposition to anti-COVID measures has become a religion to some people, the facts don't matter.

    Replies: @ATate

    How does Sweden compare to other countries that are not Islands like NZ and Australia?

  99. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    2018 — 2,839,205
    2019 — 2,854,838
    2020 — 3,383,729
    2021 — 3,458,697
    2022 — 3,273,705
     
    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline. (And, remember, deaths should have returned to below baseline because covid culled all the old and sick people that would be dying about now anyway if covid (and/or retarded anti-covid measures like denying regular healthcare and isolating people) hadn't pushed them into an early grave in 20-21.)

    Yawn … life goes on.
     
    Not for the extra 400K dead people. And these extra dead people are disproportionately younger and healthier than the covid casualties. Some of them are even white, if that helps you care.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95T2Bqht4Xg

    Replies: @epebble, @AnotherDad

    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline.

    No, they are not.

    I just laid the numbers out for you in a way any intelligent 6th grader ought to be able to grasp … but then you parrot this bogus–completely bogus–idea that American deaths should be the same as in 2018-2019. That’s just utter nonsense for reasons that are both a) obvious and b) that I just explained.

    The birth cohorts in the late 50s where about 4 million. In addtion we’ve had massive immigration bringing in more people–in those ages and spread through the adult cohorts. There are 330 million+ people. You can do some simple back of the envelope and realize that US deaths must–well baring some crazy breakthrough in life extension–rise to 4 million+ a year over the next couple decades. 2018/19 is not some “baseline” for all time. It’s not even a “baseline” for 2022.

    Here’s are some back of the envelope, but reasonable baselines–for the last few years, just projecting what was going on:
    2020 — 2,90o,000
    2021 — 2,955,000
    2022 — 3,010,000

    2020 — 480K excess deaths
    2021 — 500K excess deaths
    2022 — 260K excess deaths

    Anyone telling you there are 15% excess deaths now–which there indeed were during 2020-21–is perpetrating a fraud.

    And no covid is not “over”. It had dialed way back but is still killing lots of extra people. (The CDC lists 244K, though some of those will of course not be covid deaths but other issues were covid was merely an aggravating factor or simply around.) And until some further medical breakthrough covid is never going to be “over”. Just like the flu is never “over”.

    The 2022 excess? Spitballing:
    #1 — the majority: covid deaths, old/sickly folks pushed over the edge by covid infection
    #2 — deaths from worse health due to previous covid infection and/or the vax
    #3 — deaths from just generally shittier life in the USA post-pandemic/St.George OD; more drug use/overdoses, more obesity, more traffic accidents, more murders, more alienation

    This is not complicated. We–well Fauci and Daszak and the Bat girl–introduced a new pathogen, which has probably peeled back a couple of years of life expectancy (from the roughly 10 year gain during my lifetime).

    Note: I don’t at all discount the covid vax causing some of this. It almost certainly is. (My default “common sense” take: vax is bad, covid infection is worse. One hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins. The other hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins … on viruses that then go and hijack more of your cells to make more spike proteins on viruses which hijack more of your cells. …)

    Vaccines are basically almost always “bad for you”. People take them to mitigate something that is even worse for you. (They did crazy innoculation/exposure in the old days that had results like 2% death rate … because they were facing things like smallpox or yellow fever that would kill 15-30%.)

    But … you have to show that the vax is in the net negative. (Or that there’s some compelling scientific reason for it to be worse than infection.) I.e. that people getting vaxed is worse for them. And that does not mean “more vaxed people” or “relatively more vaxxed people” dying. We know vaccination–quite reasonably–skews old/less-healthy. It has to be age and health status adjusted data that shows vaccination is worse than not. And even then … you want to compare both people who then got covid and those who did not. I.e. we assume getting the vax is worse for you than not … if you don’t get covid. But we assume everyone will eventually be exposed, so the real issue is the full life cycle. (At least in 2021, getting the vax was highly beneficial. People who did not had a far higher hospitalization and death rates.) But whether that is still the case? Do not know. It could be that the vax is sufficiently worthless against current covid, that the lives saved in 2021, and being cancelled out by lives lost down the road from a now worthless vaccine. All this requires carefully parsing through the data.

    But most of the “it’s the vax!” people fail even the most basic sanity checks–super simple stuff like what should be the “baseline” deaths to compare to in a nation with a rapidly expanding elderly population. If you can’t “do the math” … your opinion is worthless.

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Replies: @Pixo
    @AnotherDad

    Thanks for engaging, but I sometimes wonder if they are open to reason or if this is yet another lost cause.

    There’s now a giant covid-conspiracy right-wing ecosystem in a way that eugenic natalists and immigration patriots lack. That ecosystem overlaps with a variety of investment scams that use conspiracy talk to justify avoiding index funds and real estate and instead give money to crypto scams. The crypto scams plus the vitamin supplement scams are so profitable, rational voices like Steve’s are overwhelmed.

    By the way, you make too much of a concession in conceding the covid vax may increase non-covid mortality. This is mind blowing when you first discover it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-specific_effect_of_vaccines

    We are discovering that vaccines have more and more positive effects beyond ameliorating a particular infection. The wiki article hasn’t even been updated to note the newest study showing the shingles vaccine reduces dementia. I have seen evidence showing lower non-covid mortality after taking the covid vax, but creating controls is going to be really hard so that’s still unknown.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad

    I made the exact same argument about aging cohorts etc. 3 years ago to say the excess deaths being attributed to covid were overblown. But no one was having it. So if the Party Line wants to use it now, they have to also subtract from the previous overcounting of alleged covid deaths.

    In any event, it's easy to account for the changing demography you are talking about if you have the raw data. All you do is separately calculate excess death rates per each cohort. For example, what was the death rate for each age in 2019. (0-1 yrs old, 1-2 yrs old . . . 99-100 yrs old). How does that compare to 2022 and 2023? Easy peasy if you have the raw data.

    Likewise, we could settle the vax argument right now if we compared the raw data of who got vax shots and who didn't and ceteris paribus, looked at whether the vax increased or decreased mortality. Also, easy peasy, but only IF YOU HAVE THE RAW DATA!!

    You do a thorough, good faith analysis of what facts are available, so this isn't directed at you. But I'm sick of the retards who's only go-to argument is "you don't have the data to prove the government is wrong!" When the only reason that is true is because the government holds all the data and only releases and spins whatever information supports its narrative.

    Personally, I think they are withholding and covering up the raw vax and mortality data for the same reason they withheld and covered up their GOF research and lab leak -- i.e., to cover their ass. Maybe I'm a cynic, and the lab leak is the only item that they'd ever be willing to cover up. But why aren't the government lovers with blind faith at least willing to silence the crazy "anti-vaxxers" by releasing the data to prove they are crazy? Why not indulge the poor benighted fools whose philosophy is "Trust, but Verify?"

    Replies: @HA, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @megabar
    @AnotherDad

    > One hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins. The other hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins … on viruses that then go and hijack more of your cells to make more spike proteins on viruses which hijack more of your cells. …)

    One argument that I've heard that plausibly makes the vaccine worse is that the entry is different. Rather than being introduced into the lungs and throat -- entryways that the body expects -- it's injected directly into tissue, and possibly directly into blood.

    Having said that, I haven't seen anything compelling that suggests this difference is meaningful with COVID vaccines.

  100. @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excess deaths have become insignificant since January 2023.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    Simple arithmetic over absolute numbers can't be used since the 1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging and the leading edge is approaching life expectancy (79 years). Deaths will dramatically increase during 2025 - 2045.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hypnotoad666, @Art Deco

    The CDC Excess death counts come with a lag of up to 10 weeks, but it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection, which is way down from the 25% to 45% excess deaths regularly seen during the first five big covid waves up through Omicron in early 2022, or the +10% seen in the last covid wave late in 2022.

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @HA
    @Steve Sailer

    "it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection"

    Yeah, though some of that's just "harvesting effect" which is disproportionately from all those anti-vaxxer loons who did the current employees of the CDC a favor by dying of COVID back during the epidemic, thereby sparing anyone the bother of tallying them up in what would have been their duly appointed dates with the Grim Reaper had they not opted to treat themselves via Facebook memes.

    That's why the anti-vaxxers were cheering on the public health programs in places like -- I kid you not -- Romania and Bulgaria, whose high rates of tobacco usage and shoddy vaccination rates (and large death tolls during the epidemic) led to an even greater post-epidemic reduction. It's a much a smaller reduction than the cumulative lives lost during the epidemic, but with the anti-vaxxers it's always heads-they-win-tails-everyone-else-loses. Oh, why can't we all be lucky enough to enjoy the medical care of the typical Bulgarian and Romanian? I'm guessing the flood of people from Germany and America to the health clinics of Sofia and Bucharest must be just non-stop.

    Yeah, such a shame Sailer never bought into any of that iron-clad logic.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Steve Sailer


    it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection
     
    So what you are saying is that (non-covid) excess deaths declined after people stopped taking the vaccine. And you see this as proof that the vaccine was not the cause of those deaths. Occam's butter knife in action.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I a posted a comment over two hours ago, and another posted over 10 hours ago, and they're both 'Awaiting Moderation'.

    I'm curious, how many more hours before this moderation period is over ?
    Is it normal practice in your threads for moderation to take this long ?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  101. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: For those with a strong stomach, this video posted the Z-Man at Gab shows what the Ukrainians are facing as they approach Russian lines.

    Whether you're on the side of the Ukrainians, Russians or neutral, there was never any doubt that the Ukrainians had no chance of winning this offensive and breaking the Russians lines. The offensive was purely for PR purposes and to keep the West giving Ukraine weapons and money. Guys like this are paying the ultimate price for what amounts to a PR campaign.

    Actually, the most pro-Ukrainian people here should be the most angry when they watch this, assuming you have the guts to. Ukraine should never have launched this offensive. They should have pulled back and made the Russian come to them, which would have allowed them to hit the Russians as they approached. Instead, they insanely attacked fortified lines, which allows the Russians to use their aircraft, drones, artillery - and to force the Ukrainians to walk through mine fields.

    This is murder.

    https://gab.com/TheZBlog/posts/110611872979945111

    Replies: @Lurker, @Mike Tre, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    This is murder.

    Thanks jews.

  102. @Robertson
    @tyrone

    Did you see that LibertyDaily video of some Proud Boys beating up 3 Patriot Front feds yesterday?

    Adam Kinzinger slipped up with a "Freudian-tweet" and complained about the Proud Boys "assaulting Federal officers", a mistaken admission of who Patriot Front is (obvious Feds).

    Decent governments don't do Agents Provacateur. We no longer have a decent government.

    Replies: @Anon, @Nachum

    Proud Boys are FEDs as well, as are “Oath Keepers”, Antifa, et al.

    Straight out of the Theatrical Production group underneath Langley HQ.

    If they’re in the news, they’re fake.

  103. @Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground."

    If corona was just the flu bro, why bother? Are you just mad because scientists who work in those labs are smarter than you?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    They’re not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet and can’t balance risk-return because they’re just getting free money from Uncle Sugar.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    They’re not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet and can’t balance risk-return

    Excellent typo, bro! I can just visualize a bunch of geeks making long thin omelets over a bunsen burner...

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "They’re not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet"

    Lol. Bet you a dollar this commenter went to trade school.

  104. @Altai3
    It's important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater. Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there (Due to it's relative isolation already) and it wasn't until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks. They had sport and other events as normal like New Zealand during most of 2020.

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne (Due to there not being, like say the low countries a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse, if you shut the road and ban trail and air travel there would be little if any movement between those cities) and let outbreaks burn out in one major urban area before they spread to another.

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    If we lived under a rational regime in the West a big question would have been asked about what if any benefit Australia would get from opening it's borders again would be. Didn't see the country or indeed any Western country spectacularly fall apart from immigration being brought to a standstill for a year and a half.

    This wasn't an option as much in the US due to the way people move around so much internally and lacking Australia's vast empty expanses between cities. Though why Europe reopened their borders to each other despite knowing that it would trigger outbreaks that they would attempt to control with lockdowns despite movement between European countries being much lower and those countries being highly self-sufficient from the before times when countries meant something is beyond me. I remember places like Spain pleading to allow tourism again despite the fact that it would trigger massive outbreaks that would cost Spain and other countries more anyway, very strange.

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    People really hate gold chain man in all his forms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    Replies: @Anonymous, @New Dealer, @pyrrhus, @Mr. XYZ, @Truth Vigilante, @EdwardM

    It’s important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater.
    Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there ….. it wasn’t until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks.

    Altai, you are CLUELESS.

    I’m Australian, and as such am aware that we had huge numbers of inbound international tourists (many of which were no doubt infected from Covid) in the months leading up to the first lockdown in late March 2020, not to mention large numbers of foreign students from places like China where Covid is known to have been widely circulating in early 2020.

    To cap things off we had this event:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/aboard-the-ruby-princess-how-one-cruise-spawned-a-covid-19-outbreak-20200323-p54d2f.html

    That’s right, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with the WORLD’S WORST cruise ship outbreak of Covid (more cases and more deaths than the much publicised Diamond Princess out of Yokohama Japan).

    And what did our state government do when the ship docked in Sydney ?

    The few dozen passengers that had obvious symptoms were set aside and treated, but the remainder of the near 3000 passengers were IMMEDIATELY released into the community.
    Taken from the article above:

    “We got off the ship so fast, they didn’t even look at our passports,” said Janet Dixon-Hughes, who found herself standing out on the footpath with her daughter and 95-year-old mother half an hour before her husband was due to collect them ….

    END RESULT: Covid quickly spread throughout the community. Most of us got it, we got over it in no time (after all, WE KNOW FOR A FACT that all variants* of Covid are no more lethal than seasonal flu), and we thus got natural immunity – hence the low fatality rate in Australia before the toxic clot shots were introduced.

    (*The more lethal strain of virus that the Apartheid Israeli state/ZOG infected Iran with, may well have been more dangerous, but certainly what the rest of the world got was akin to seasonal flu).

    Fast forward to 2021 and the alleged Covid deaths went ballistic AFTER THE INTRODUCTION of the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as Covid vaccines.
    Open up the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled ‘Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia’:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    Run your mouse pointer on the orange line in the graph for the first half of 2021 (a time when very few in Australia had received the Covid jabs), and see for yourself that:

    IN THE WHOLE EFF’N COUNTRY, THERE WAS ONLY ONE (1) RECORDED COVID DEATH in that 6 month period.

    The vaxx rollout in Australia was many months later than in the U.S. It was not until the second half of 2021 that a significant number of Aussies had been vaxxed.
    And what happened thereafter ?

    As you can see from the graph, Aussies started dropping like flies and there was a MULTI-THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in alleged* Covid deaths after the vaxx rollout.

    I say ‘alleged’ because this was the time when the harmless Covid variants like Omicron were circulating (not that the earlier variants were particularly harmful), so we know that Covid didn’t kill them.

    It is CLEAR that the jabs were responsible for the exponential increase in fataliies.

    You go on to write:

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne ….. there not being …… a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse ….

    This is yet further proof of how clueless you are.

    The are NO DESERTS on Australia’a east coast and the south-east of the continent.
    Between Sydney and Melbourne there is FERTILE FARMLAND and it’s dotted with numerous townships along the way – most of which are small but sprinkled with more than a few medium-large sized towns like Goulburn, Albury etc.

    You also write:

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    The fact of the matter is: LOCKDOWNS NEVER WORKED, whether in the short or long format.

    We knew that in REAL TIME – we need only have listened to the Great Barrington Declaration signatories ( Kulldorff, Gupta, Bhattacharya) as I did, to know that.
    Lockdowns caused far more collateral damage (ie: deaths, mental disorders, economic and societal disruption), than any infinitesimal benefit they may have had attributed to them.

    Only a brain dead slavish mask wearing Socialist distancer adherent of the Covid tyranny doesn’t acknowledge that, in light of what we now know.

    Bottom Line: Altai, it’s evident that you’ve swallowed all the B.S from the corrupt American MSM that claimed Australia had few Covid deaths initially because of our ‘harsh’ lockdowns.
    That was pure B.S.
    Australia has six states and two territories and ONLY the state of Victoria (not even our most populous state) had harsh lockdowns for most of the period (March 2020 – mid 2021).
    I live in NSW, the most populous state, and other than for a few weeks in late March/early April 2020 when schools and non-essential businesses were closed down, the rest of the time EVERYTHING WAS OPEN AND RUNNING AS NORMAL.

    Football stadiums were open and tens of thousands were sitting cheek to jowl in close proximity – and next to no one was wearing a mask.

    OUTCOME: The state of Victoria, the LOCKDOWN STATE, recorded over 80% of the Covid deaths for the whole country for the first 18 months of this scamdemic.

    The other five states and two territories had in AGGREGATE, less than 200 deaths.
    That’s not a typo. That’s LESS THAN TWO HUNDRED (200) Covid deaths for the first 18 months of the Covid Psyop.
    That’s because the state of Victoria adopted U.S style chicanery in counting deaths WITH Covid as deaths FROM Covid.
    The other states were more honest and, for the most part, wrote the ACTUAL CAUSE OF DEATH on death certificates, unlike in the U.S.

    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and …. tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
    And, not coincidentally, when the vaxx was rolled out in mid 2021, this was the time when Australia wide lockdowns were introduced, and thus in all states people were forced to hibernate in their damp and dingy basements, away from immune system enhancing sunshine and outdoor activities.
    ie: people were doing the exact opposite of what they should’ve been doing – hence another reason for the deterioration in health outcomes.

    Altai, I’m guessing from your uninformed remarks, that you’re vaxxed and boostered to the nth degree because you’re an obsequious follower of all edicts from the ‘wise government overlords’.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth Vigilante


    Altai, you are CLUELESS.
     
    Our question is, is "Altai3" the same commenter as "Altai" and "Altai2"?

    Replies: @Renard

    , @Fenian Raider
    @Truth Vigilante


    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.
     
    Wasn't so harmless in Mexico, which had lots of sun and lots of COVID deaths. It's more likely that the lockdown worked but you can't ever admit to being wrong so you made up this BS explanation.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and …. tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
     
    Every time I ask an anti-vaxxer for evidence, they never provide it. All they ever have is unsupported assertions and name-calling.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Truth Vigilante, @Anonymous

  105. HA says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    The CDC Excess death counts come with a lag of up to 10 weeks, but it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection, which is way down from the 25% to 45% excess deaths regularly seen during the first five big covid waves up through Omicron in early 2022, or the +10% seen in the last covid wave late in 2022.

    Replies: @HA, @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante

    “it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection”

    Yeah, though some of that’s just “harvesting effect” which is disproportionately from all those anti-vaxxer loons who did the current employees of the CDC a favor by dying of COVID back during the epidemic, thereby sparing anyone the bother of tallying them up in what would have been their duly appointed dates with the Grim Reaper had they not opted to treat themselves via Facebook memes.

    That’s why the anti-vaxxers were cheering on the public health programs in places like — I kid you not — Romania and Bulgaria, whose high rates of tobacco usage and shoddy vaccination rates (and large death tolls during the epidemic) led to an even greater post-epidemic reduction. It’s a much a smaller reduction than the cumulative lives lost during the epidemic, but with the anti-vaxxers it’s always heads-they-win-tails-everyone-else-loses. Oh, why can’t we all be lucky enough to enjoy the medical care of the typical Bulgarian and Romanian? I’m guessing the flood of people from Germany and America to the health clinics of Sofia and Bucharest must be just non-stop.

    Yeah, such a shame Sailer never bought into any of that iron-clad logic.

  106. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666


    If South Africa hadn’t taken the Union Jack off their flag the Brits should have sued to make them remove it.
     
    Or at least the blue parts, which are Scotland's. Once the UK is no longer U, Hawaii will be the last place in the world to fly the Union Jack.


    https://nationaltoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/19-Hawaii-Flag-1200x834.jpg.webp


    Or maybe not...


    https://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Kanaka-Maoli-Flag.png


    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:


    A massive fight among hundreds of migrant workers from Central Asian states broke out over the weekend at Gazprom's Kovykta gas field, where thousands of workers are under pressure to build new infrastructure to meet the terms of a natural gas supply contract to China, according to social media platforms.

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Mass-Fighting-Breaks-Out-At-Giant-Russian-Gas-Field.amp.html
     


    Nine people are in hospital after a fight between about 300 migrant workers from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at Gazprom’s Kovykta gas field in East Siberia.

    Several videos of the incident were posted on the Russian social network VK, which suggested the brawl began about noon local time on 23 June in a queue near a canteen.

    By the evening, it had spread to other parts of an office compound and temporary housing where migrants stay during their shifts.

    Some fighters were using sticks and steel bars as weapons.

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/mass-fight-breaks-out-at-russian-gas-field/2-1-1474680
     

    Anyone have a link to VK? Get out the popcorn.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:

    Entertaining, “Go ‘jiks!” … but basically the same cheap labor shilling shit as in the USA.

    As I’ve pointed out to the Putin lovers, the guy is in no sense a decent a leader for Russia. Even before his latest stupid war, he had
    — bombed the shit out of Chechnya in order to keep Chechens *in* Russia–the exactly opposite of the Russian people’s interest

    — allowed millions of illegals from the ‘stans to flow into Russia … so much so that the muzzies are able to fill Moscow’s streets to do their passive aggressive butt in the air, “we own this joint” shtick.

    Obviously, these pipelines to China should be being built by Russian young men, earning high wages which they can use back home (in European Russia) to romance Russian gals, get married, buy homes, knock up their wives and start building families. The good stuff.

    Instead, Putin’s drafting them to kill Ukrainian boys…. and importing Muslims to build pipelines.

    Vlad W. Bush.

    • Agree: Redneck Farmer
    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @AnotherDad


    As I’ve pointed out to the Putin lovers .... Instead, Putin’s drafting them to kill Ukrainian boys ....
     
    Ahhhh, the pieces of the puzzle all seem to be fitting together nicely.
    This explains why you're a minion of Big Pharma with your advocacy of the toxic clot shots and the Covid tyranny we were all subjected to.

    It's now apparent that you're a shill for the small hats and their orchestration of the Ukraine proxy war against Mother Russia as well.

    FACT: Putin did everything humanly possible to avoid this conflict, but ZOG was having none of it.
    ZOG demanded war so war it was going to be.

    'NutherDad', if you're so ignorant as to believe the ZOG propaganda in the MSM that Putin is the bad guy in this war, that explains why you're stupid enough to believe that face masks/Socialist distancing/lockdowns and the ZOG owned Big Pharma clot shots would be our salvation.

    You are a dumb f*ck indeed.
     
  107. @Nachum
    I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @tyrone, @fnn, @Corpse Tooth, @Dr. X, @Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    1866-1868 was the period of Carpetbaggers, Northerners who went down South to “reconstruct” the Southerners, and pad their northern bank accounts.

    “We are from the Federal Government, and we are here to help you.”

    “Run Forrest, run.”

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Anon

    Oh, I'm not talking one way or the other *why* the Klan existed, just that it did.

    Reconstruction ended in 1876, but I think the Klan was long gone before then.

    It left such an impression to some that it even appears as the bad guy in one of the original Sherlock Holmes stories, written and set decades later.

  108. @Truth Vigilante
    @Altai3


    It’s important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater.
    Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there ..... it wasn’t until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks.
     
    Altai, you are CLUELESS.

    I'm Australian, and as such am aware that we had huge numbers of inbound international tourists (many of which were no doubt infected from Covid) in the months leading up to the first lockdown in late March 2020, not to mention large numbers of foreign students from places like China where Covid is known to have been widely circulating in early 2020.

    To cap things off we had this event:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/aboard-the-ruby-princess-how-one-cruise-spawned-a-covid-19-outbreak-20200323-p54d2f.html

    That's right, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with the WORLD'S WORST cruise ship outbreak of Covid (more cases and more deaths than the much publicised Diamond Princess out of Yokohama Japan).

    And what did our state government do when the ship docked in Sydney ?

    The few dozen passengers that had obvious symptoms were set aside and treated, but the remainder of the near 3000 passengers were IMMEDIATELY released into the community.
    Taken from the article above:

    "We got off the ship so fast, they didn't even look at our passports," said Janet Dixon-Hughes, who found herself standing out on the footpath with her daughter and 95-year-old mother half an hour before her husband was due to collect them ....

     

    END RESULT: Covid quickly spread throughout the community. Most of us got it, we got over it in no time (after all, WE KNOW FOR A FACT that all variants* of Covid are no more lethal than seasonal flu), and we thus got natural immunity - hence the low fatality rate in Australia before the toxic clot shots were introduced.

    (*The more lethal strain of virus that the Apartheid Israeli state/ZOG infected Iran with, may well have been more dangerous, but certainly what the rest of the world got was akin to seasonal flu).

    Fast forward to 2021 and the alleged Covid deaths went ballistic AFTER THE INTRODUCTION of the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as Covid vaccines.
    Open up the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia':

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    Run your mouse pointer on the orange line in the graph for the first half of 2021 (a time when very few in Australia had received the Covid jabs), and see for yourself that:


    IN THE WHOLE EFF'N COUNTRY, THERE WAS ONLY ONE (1) RECORDED COVID DEATH in that 6 month period.
     
    The vaxx rollout in Australia was many months later than in the U.S. It was not until the second half of 2021 that a significant number of Aussies had been vaxxed.
    And what happened thereafter ?


    As you can see from the graph, Aussies started dropping like flies and there was a MULTI-THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in alleged* Covid deaths after the vaxx rollout.
     
    I say 'alleged' because this was the time when the harmless Covid variants like Omicron were circulating (not that the earlier variants were particularly harmful), so we know that Covid didn't kill them.

    It is CLEAR that the jabs were responsible for the exponential increase in fataliies.

    You go on to write:

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne ..... there not being ...... a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse ....
     
    This is yet further proof of how clueless you are.

    The are NO DESERTS on Australia'a east coast and the south-east of the continent.
    Between Sydney and Melbourne there is FERTILE FARMLAND and it's dotted with numerous townships along the way - most of which are small but sprinkled with more than a few medium-large sized towns like Goulburn, Albury etc.

    You also write:


    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.
     
    The fact of the matter is: LOCKDOWNS NEVER WORKED, whether in the short or long format.

    We knew that in REAL TIME - we need only have listened to the Great Barrington Declaration signatories ( Kulldorff, Gupta, Bhattacharya) as I did, to know that.
    Lockdowns caused far more collateral damage (ie: deaths, mental disorders, economic and societal disruption), than any infinitesimal benefit they may have had attributed to them.

    Only a brain dead slavish mask wearing Socialist distancer adherent of the Covid tyranny doesn't acknowledge that, in light of what we now know.

    Bottom Line: Altai, it's evident that you've swallowed all the B.S from the corrupt American MSM that claimed Australia had few Covid deaths initially because of our 'harsh' lockdowns.
    That was pure B.S.
    Australia has six states and two territories and ONLY the state of Victoria (not even our most populous state) had harsh lockdowns for most of the period (March 2020 - mid 2021).
    I live in NSW, the most populous state, and other than for a few weeks in late March/early April 2020 when schools and non-essential businesses were closed down, the rest of the time EVERYTHING WAS OPEN AND RUNNING AS NORMAL.

    Football stadiums were open and tens of thousands were sitting cheek to jowl in close proximity - and next to no one was wearing a mask.
     
    OUTCOME: The state of Victoria, the LOCKDOWN STATE, recorded over 80% of the Covid deaths for the whole country for the first 18 months of this scamdemic.

    The other five states and two territories had in AGGREGATE, less than 200 deaths.
    That's not a typo. That's LESS THAN TWO HUNDRED (200) Covid deaths for the first 18 months of the Covid Psyop.
    That's because the state of Victoria adopted U.S style chicanery in counting deaths WITH Covid as deaths FROM Covid.
    The other states were more honest and, for the most part, wrote the ACTUAL CAUSE OF DEATH on death certificates, unlike in the U.S.

    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and .... tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
    And, not coincidentally, when the vaxx was rolled out in mid 2021, this was the time when Australia wide lockdowns were introduced, and thus in all states people were forced to hibernate in their damp and dingy basements, away from immune system enhancing sunshine and outdoor activities.
    ie: people were doing the exact opposite of what they should've been doing - hence another reason for the deterioration in health outcomes.

    Altai, I'm guessing from your uninformed remarks, that you're vaxxed and boostered to the nth degree because you're an obsequious follower of all edicts from the 'wise government overlords'.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Fenian Raider

    Altai, you are CLUELESS.

    Our question is, is “Altai3” the same commenter as “Altai” and “Altai2”?

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Reg Cæsar

    Same guy. Consistent (mis)use of spurious apostrophe's is the tell. Yuk yuk.

  109. @Truth Vigilante
    @Altai3


    It’s important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater.
    Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there ..... it wasn’t until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks.
     
    Altai, you are CLUELESS.

    I'm Australian, and as such am aware that we had huge numbers of inbound international tourists (many of which were no doubt infected from Covid) in the months leading up to the first lockdown in late March 2020, not to mention large numbers of foreign students from places like China where Covid is known to have been widely circulating in early 2020.

    To cap things off we had this event:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/aboard-the-ruby-princess-how-one-cruise-spawned-a-covid-19-outbreak-20200323-p54d2f.html

    That's right, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with the WORLD'S WORST cruise ship outbreak of Covid (more cases and more deaths than the much publicised Diamond Princess out of Yokohama Japan).

    And what did our state government do when the ship docked in Sydney ?

    The few dozen passengers that had obvious symptoms were set aside and treated, but the remainder of the near 3000 passengers were IMMEDIATELY released into the community.
    Taken from the article above:

    "We got off the ship so fast, they didn't even look at our passports," said Janet Dixon-Hughes, who found herself standing out on the footpath with her daughter and 95-year-old mother half an hour before her husband was due to collect them ....

     

    END RESULT: Covid quickly spread throughout the community. Most of us got it, we got over it in no time (after all, WE KNOW FOR A FACT that all variants* of Covid are no more lethal than seasonal flu), and we thus got natural immunity - hence the low fatality rate in Australia before the toxic clot shots were introduced.

    (*The more lethal strain of virus that the Apartheid Israeli state/ZOG infected Iran with, may well have been more dangerous, but certainly what the rest of the world got was akin to seasonal flu).

    Fast forward to 2021 and the alleged Covid deaths went ballistic AFTER THE INTRODUCTION of the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as Covid vaccines.
    Open up the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia':

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    Run your mouse pointer on the orange line in the graph for the first half of 2021 (a time when very few in Australia had received the Covid jabs), and see for yourself that:


    IN THE WHOLE EFF'N COUNTRY, THERE WAS ONLY ONE (1) RECORDED COVID DEATH in that 6 month period.
     
    The vaxx rollout in Australia was many months later than in the U.S. It was not until the second half of 2021 that a significant number of Aussies had been vaxxed.
    And what happened thereafter ?


    As you can see from the graph, Aussies started dropping like flies and there was a MULTI-THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in alleged* Covid deaths after the vaxx rollout.
     
    I say 'alleged' because this was the time when the harmless Covid variants like Omicron were circulating (not that the earlier variants were particularly harmful), so we know that Covid didn't kill them.

    It is CLEAR that the jabs were responsible for the exponential increase in fataliies.

    You go on to write:

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne ..... there not being ...... a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse ....
     
    This is yet further proof of how clueless you are.

    The are NO DESERTS on Australia'a east coast and the south-east of the continent.
    Between Sydney and Melbourne there is FERTILE FARMLAND and it's dotted with numerous townships along the way - most of which are small but sprinkled with more than a few medium-large sized towns like Goulburn, Albury etc.

    You also write:


    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.
     
    The fact of the matter is: LOCKDOWNS NEVER WORKED, whether in the short or long format.

    We knew that in REAL TIME - we need only have listened to the Great Barrington Declaration signatories ( Kulldorff, Gupta, Bhattacharya) as I did, to know that.
    Lockdowns caused far more collateral damage (ie: deaths, mental disorders, economic and societal disruption), than any infinitesimal benefit they may have had attributed to them.

    Only a brain dead slavish mask wearing Socialist distancer adherent of the Covid tyranny doesn't acknowledge that, in light of what we now know.

    Bottom Line: Altai, it's evident that you've swallowed all the B.S from the corrupt American MSM that claimed Australia had few Covid deaths initially because of our 'harsh' lockdowns.
    That was pure B.S.
    Australia has six states and two territories and ONLY the state of Victoria (not even our most populous state) had harsh lockdowns for most of the period (March 2020 - mid 2021).
    I live in NSW, the most populous state, and other than for a few weeks in late March/early April 2020 when schools and non-essential businesses were closed down, the rest of the time EVERYTHING WAS OPEN AND RUNNING AS NORMAL.

    Football stadiums were open and tens of thousands were sitting cheek to jowl in close proximity - and next to no one was wearing a mask.
     
    OUTCOME: The state of Victoria, the LOCKDOWN STATE, recorded over 80% of the Covid deaths for the whole country for the first 18 months of this scamdemic.

    The other five states and two territories had in AGGREGATE, less than 200 deaths.
    That's not a typo. That's LESS THAN TWO HUNDRED (200) Covid deaths for the first 18 months of the Covid Psyop.
    That's because the state of Victoria adopted U.S style chicanery in counting deaths WITH Covid as deaths FROM Covid.
    The other states were more honest and, for the most part, wrote the ACTUAL CAUSE OF DEATH on death certificates, unlike in the U.S.

    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and .... tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
    And, not coincidentally, when the vaxx was rolled out in mid 2021, this was the time when Australia wide lockdowns were introduced, and thus in all states people were forced to hibernate in their damp and dingy basements, away from immune system enhancing sunshine and outdoor activities.
    ie: people were doing the exact opposite of what they should've been doing - hence another reason for the deterioration in health outcomes.

    Altai, I'm guessing from your uninformed remarks, that you're vaxxed and boostered to the nth degree because you're an obsequious follower of all edicts from the 'wise government overlords'.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Fenian Raider

    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.

    Wasn’t so harmless in Mexico, which had lots of sun and lots of COVID deaths. It’s more likely that the lockdown worked but you can’t ever admit to being wrong so you made up this BS explanation.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and …. tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.

    Every time I ask an anti-vaxxer for evidence, they never provide it. All they ever have is unsupported assertions and name-calling.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Fenian Raider

    2 comments so far. Both hostile, kovid kultist rants. Perhaps a HA sockpuppet?

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @Fenian Raider


    It’s more likely that the lockdown worked but you can’t ever admit to being wrong so you made up this BS explanation.
     
    You're not very attentive, are you ? Pretty much what I've come to expect from vaxxed-to-the-max morons.

    So let me repeat it for you again:

    1) Before the vaxx rollout there were LESS THAN 1000 Covid deaths in Australia (this despite the fact that Covid had already spread widely throughout the nation).

    The state of Victoria (not our most populous state), had OVER EIGHTY PERCENT (80%) of the recorded deaths in the first 18 months of the scamdemic.
    Victoria was also the state that was lockdowned for much of that time, had the harshest Covid tyranny, police brutality on its citizenry, toughest travel curfews/mask mandates etc.

    The other five states and two territories only had short lived lockdowns for a few weeks in late March/early April 2020, and then everything pretty much went back to normal up until mid 2021.
    Yet these five states and two territories IN AGGREGATE, had less than 200 Covid deaths between them.

    Got it now Simian Raider ?

    THERE WERE NO LOCKDOWNS OF SUBSTANCE IN MOST OF AUSTRALIA UP UNTIL mid 2021.
    And in that totally unrestricted part of Australia where we were free to mingle, attend sports fixtures in capacity crowd stadiums etc (ie: the majority of it), there were VERY FEW COVID DEATHS RECORDED.

    So, when you say 'the lockdowns worked', perhaps they did work from your Talmudic perspective.
    ie: lots of goys died where the lockdowns were long lasting and tyrannically applied.

    But from a humane standpoint, the lockdowns were a DISASTER everywhere on the planet they were applied.

    You speak of 'B.S explanations' but I supplied you CONCRETE FACTS.
    I supplied the Worldometer graphs that show ONLY ONE (1) SINGLE M-F'er died in the whole of Australia in the first six months of 2021. ie: before the vaxx was rolled out in earnest.

    Of course, concurrent with the rollout of the clot shots in mid 2021, the whole country went into lockdown and, needless to say, people started dropping like flies in the latter half of 2021 and into 2022.

    As for this asinine remark of yours:

    Every time I ask an anti-vaxxer for evidence, they never provide it. All they ever have is unsupported assertions ...
     
    Are you claiming that the Worldometers data is unsupported ? If so, those spike proteins are doing more damage to your brain that I'd imagined.

    The fact is, I am the one supplying the hard facts.
    It is YOU Simian Raider that is propagating the B.S. But typical leftist Socialist Distancer that you are, you'll never admit you were dead wrong.

    You should self euthanase yourself for the good of society*.
    (*Oops, my bad. I forgot that you're already fully vaxxed. It seems you're well on the way to an early demise).
    , @Anonymous
    @Fenian Raider

    Where in Mexico were these deaths? Because Mexico City is high up on a plateau (higher than Denver) which gives it a relatively cool climate. Flu hits cold places much harder than hot places.

    Cold weather and high population density are the two biggest risk factors determining the vulnerability of a locality to COVID.

  110. @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    Steve didn’t “fall for” anything.
     
    Yeah, he kinda did. He was almost as obsessed with the horrors of covid in 20-21 as he is upset now about black people shooting each other. One problem with Steve is that when he plants his flag on a hill it stays there forever. There is no mea culpa (a la Scott Adams). He just backs away from the issue like Homer backing into the hedge. The fact that the U.S. government created covid and then covered it up. The fact that the government and their MSM agents lied over and over again to shut down the world and rig the 2020 election. The fact that a mysterious "excess death" phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that's a scoop!

    Steve on covid since 2021:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPJ9J-6vDw

    Replies: @Danindc, @AnotherDad, @Fenian Raider

    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.

    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that’s a scoop!

    Filipino scooter riders, that’s a new one. Anti-vaxxer idiots were predicting mass death in America. But people can look around and see none of that around them, so anti-vaxxers have to make up stories about mass death in foreign countries.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Fenian Raider



    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.
     
    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.
     
    Who are you, dumbass? And what's your source for this disinformation?

    I'll give Steve the benefit of the doubt and assume you are some Deep State troll. But if you are actually an authentic person who is attracted to this site, it kind of proves my point. Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller or just a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons. I might as well read the New York times for all the insights Steve has to offer when it comes to government perfidy.

    Replies: @Fenian Raider, @Corvinus

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Fenian Raider

    Are we still supposed to be getting the shot? How often?

    Most people in my Dunbar number didn't get the jabs; we're all still here, btw. The ones who did felt so ill after the second poke they said never again.

    Replies: @HA

  111. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: For those with a strong stomach, this video posted the Z-Man at Gab shows what the Ukrainians are facing as they approach Russian lines.

    Whether you're on the side of the Ukrainians, Russians or neutral, there was never any doubt that the Ukrainians had no chance of winning this offensive and breaking the Russians lines. The offensive was purely for PR purposes and to keep the West giving Ukraine weapons and money. Guys like this are paying the ultimate price for what amounts to a PR campaign.

    Actually, the most pro-Ukrainian people here should be the most angry when they watch this, assuming you have the guts to. Ukraine should never have launched this offensive. They should have pulled back and made the Russian come to them, which would have allowed them to hit the Russians as they approached. Instead, they insanely attacked fortified lines, which allows the Russians to use their aircraft, drones, artillery - and to force the Ukrainians to walk through mine fields.

    This is murder.

    https://gab.com/TheZBlog/posts/110611872979945111

    Replies: @Lurker, @Mike Tre, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    That is pretty damn horrific.

  112. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    The fact that a mysterious “excess death” phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .
     
    Yawn is right. The same folks that trot out "it was all a scam!", now trot out "the vax is killing everyone".

    Well both can't be true. Here's the US death data:

    2009 -- 2,437,163
    2010 -- 2,468,435
    2011 -- 2,515,458
    2012 -- 2,543,279
    2013 -- 2,596,993
    2014 -- 2,626,418
    2015 -- 2,712,630
    2016 -- 2,744,248
    2017 -- 2,813,503
    2018 -- 2,839,205
    2019 -- 2,854,838
    2020 -- 3,383,729
    2021 -- 3,458,697
    2022 -- 3,273,705

    It's pretty clear. US deaths were ticking up a bit less than 50K a year as the much larger Boomer cohorts climbed into the "death zone"... then

    -- in 2020 deaths jump by 500K.
    -- in 2021 deaths ooze up but more or less stabilize
    -- in 2022 deaths fall back a couple hundred thousand, now probably only about 200k over the pre-covid trend. (You'd need some math--pre-covid death rates per age and then the age structure--to get a number. But death increase should be accelerating. Note the first post-War boomers--Clinton, Bush, Trump--are now hitting 77.)

    The logical conclusions:
    -- covid, being new to people's immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
    -- now most people either exposed and/or vax'd and the virus itself mutated, covid is killing far fewer people
    -- the spike protein is bad for you and there are lingering negative health effects from having covid or having the vax for some people so death rates are still higher than pre-covid

    Yawn ... life goes on.


    We could of course talk about something critical like the deliberate genocide of white peoples, white nations, Western civilization by mass immivasion.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante, @Mr. Anon

    The logical conclusions:

    — covid, being new to people’s immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
    — now most people either exposed and/or vax’d and the virus itself mutated, covid is killing far fewer people …..

    These are in fact ILLOGICAL conclusions.

    Scroll up to my last comment and see some actual logic (in the case of Australia’s Covid stats), and how there was NEXT TO NO ONE DYING FROM COVID until after the vaxx rollout – and then things went ballistic.

    CONCLUSION: Deaths did indeed jump up in 2020 in the U.S in the first year of the scamdemic.
    That’s because countless thousands were murdered by your corrupt health system (scores of thousands died from VILI – Ventilator Induced Lung Injuries).
    Additionally, it’s estimated that countless thousands of elderly in nursing homes were neglected and died from lack of nutrition/dehydration and many more were euthanased with large doses of Midazolam.
    Remember also, that 2020 was the year of mass tramatisation, as the dumbed down masses were scared out of their wits with the government propaganda.
    No doubt many more excess deaths in that year were recorded from more heart attacks/strokes/excess suicides, all of which can be attributed to the relentless scare mongering and isolation brought about from lockdowns/shutting down non-essential businesses that bankrupted many and forced many to take their own lives.

    Simply put, seeing as the perpetrators of the Covid Psyop knew there would be large numbers of excess deaths once the vaxx was rolled out, it was imperative that they killed off hundreds of thousands in 2020 so as to make subsequent years appear not so bad in comparison*.

    This was yet another sleight-of-hand employed by the evil miscreants (ZOG) that perpetrated the Covid Psyop, which went over your head ‘Dad’.
    Next time, try to think critically and not uncritically repeat all the MSM B.S you’ve been force fed.

    (*Absorb carefully the following important thing I’m about to write:

    If U.S authorities could kill of the bulk of those on the precipice of death in 2020, ie: those with devastated immune systems, those with the most severe life threatening comorbidities, the very old, then it STANDS TO REASON THAT THERE WOULD BE VERY LITTLE LOW HANGING FRUIT to kill off in subsequent years.

    In other words,the mortality figures for 2021 and 2022 should have been WELL DOWN from that recorded in 2020, and been on par with pre scamdemic figures – or even LOWER.

    The fact mortality numbers for 2021 and 2022 are similar to 2020 tells us that YOUNGER/HEALTHIER PEOPLE were dying in greater numbers post vaxx.

    And, pray tell, WHY do you think that is ‘Dad’ ?

  113. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    But, as bad as the West is, the BRICs are nowhere near ready-for-prime-time:
     
    Entertaining, "Go 'jiks!" ... but basically the same cheap labor shilling shit as in the USA.

    As I've pointed out to the Putin lovers, the guy is in no sense a decent a leader for Russia. Even before his latest stupid war, he had
    -- bombed the shit out of Chechnya in order to keep Chechens *in* Russia--the exactly opposite of the Russian people's interest

    -- allowed millions of illegals from the 'stans to flow into Russia ... so much so that the muzzies are able to fill Moscow's streets to do their passive aggressive butt in the air, "we own this joint" shtick.

    Obviously, these pipelines to China should be being built by Russian young men, earning high wages which they can use back home (in European Russia) to romance Russian gals, get married, buy homes, knock up their wives and start building families. The good stuff.

    Instead, Putin's drafting them to kill Ukrainian boys.... and importing Muslims to build pipelines.

    Vlad W. Bush.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    As I’ve pointed out to the Putin lovers …. Instead, Putin’s drafting them to kill Ukrainian boys ….

    Ahhhh, the pieces of the puzzle all seem to be fitting together nicely.
    This explains why you’re a minion of Big Pharma with your advocacy of the toxic clot shots and the Covid tyranny we were all subjected to.

    It’s now apparent that you’re a shill for the small hats and their orchestration of the Ukraine proxy war against Mother Russia as well.

    FACT: Putin did everything humanly possible to avoid this conflict, but ZOG was having none of it.
    ZOG demanded war so war it was going to be.

    ‘NutherDad’, if you’re so ignorant as to believe the ZOG propaganda in the MSM that Putin is the bad guy in this war, that explains why you’re stupid enough to believe that face masks/Socialist distancing/lockdowns and the ZOG owned Big Pharma clot shots would be our salvation.

    You are a dumb f*ck indeed.

  114. Australia’s Heritage of Slavery, Jim Crow, and Redlining Strikes Again

    Whereas Belgium’s heritage of landlocked colonialism is still paying dividends:

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Reg Cæsar

    She should stick to shot-putting... But her persistence is admirable.

  115. @Anon
    @Mr. Anon


    And, medical malpractice has always contributed to pandemic death tolls. In 2020, it was Remdesivir and ventillators. In 1918 it was aspirin:

    Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
     
    Another good reason to mistrust “The Science”.
     
    Who are we supposed to trust? Homeopathic frauds? "Traditional medicine" grifters? Screaming 300 pound internet antivaxxers like Alex Jones? Anonymous 90 IQ conspiracy theorist commenters like the ones here afraid of "mRNA vaccines" who don't even know what mRNA stands for?

    Science isn't perfect. It makes mistakes, sometimes royally screwing things up. It's still the best method we've got.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Who are we supposed to trust?

    Maybe nobody. But certainly not people (like Anthony Fauci) who think you should not be permitted to even hear or read other opinions and who work to suppress them.

    Homeopathic frauds? “Traditional medicine” grifters? Screaming 300 pound internet antivaxxers like Alex Jones? Anonymous 90 IQ conspiracy theorist commenters like the ones here afraid of “mRNA vaccines” who don’t even know what mRNA stands for?

    Sure, anybody who has reservations or questions about memory Ribonucleic Acid (you jerk) vaccines is on a par with homeopaths and snake-oil salesman.

    Science isn’t perfect. It makes mistakes, sometimes royally screwing things up. It’s still the best method we’ve got.

    Yeah, science is pretty good. But that isn’t what we got over the last three years. We got “The Science” (TM). Scientism – a cult – science turned into some kind of received religion.

    And pick a godda**ed screen name if you want to discourse here.

    • Agree: Mark G., Nicholas Stix
  116. @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth Vigilante


    Altai, you are CLUELESS.
     
    Our question is, is "Altai3" the same commenter as "Altai" and "Altai2"?

    Replies: @Renard

    Same guy. Consistent (mis)use of spurious apostrophe’s is the tell. Yuk yuk.

  117. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, Target, a go-to store for the middle-class, wants to die:

    https://twitter.com/Target/status/607902753919082497?s=20

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman

    These companies have so much legacy IP, founders’ bias, and cash flow that nothing their idiot managers do even matters. They are as superflous as Hapsburg aristocrats.

  118. @Jim Don Bob
    OT: They found Julian Sands' body.

    https://pagesix.com/2023/06/27/julian-sands-dead-at-65-after-going-missing-on-hike-in-california/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    OT: They found Julian Sands’ body.

    Did he have Covid?

  119. @Cagey Beast
    @Reg Cæsar

    How would I know and why would I care? The same questions could be asked of you. That's my point: the worse things get here at home, the more some people will cling to faraway incidents like these.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That’s my point: the worse things get here at home, the more some people will cling to faraway incidents like these.

    My “point” isn’t “clinging”, it’s that almost every place on earth is in some demographic crisis, though those crises differ. Who is on deck to replace us? Yes, the major league players have degraded, but the AAA level is even worse: China is said to be the first country to grow old before growing rich. Russia is imploding. Indians can’t wait to leave. Brazil has become the mulato inzoneiro of her most famous song. (Mexico is likewise a mestizo intrigoso.)

    Eastern Europe and East Asia aren’t self-inundating with immigrants, but also have the world’s lowest birthrates. Their demographic solstice is here. Korea, the best story of the lot, is still ⅓ communist.

    Face it, the whole world sucks. The West is still the best, but only by default.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well, we'll always have Uruguay.

    I dunno, but I really aim to check out Montevideo some time, just to know. I will end up in China again one more time, and I'm going to see what an uber-Orwellian society looks like, or not... I'll report - on my blog exclusively. (Nah, nah...)

    As to your point, Reg: All the demographic changes as far as total population numbers within most of the countries of the world would not be a bad thing in any way in the long run.... EXCEPT for the situations (whole Western World) in which there's an immigration invasion to replace the people. Along with that, keeping in mind iSteve's "World's most important graph", it won't be good if Africa doesn't stay on that one continent.

  120. @Fenian Raider
    @Hypnotoad666


    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.
     
    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that’s a scoop!
     
    Filipino scooter riders, that's a new one. Anti-vaxxer idiots were predicting mass death in America. But people can look around and see none of that around them, so anti-vaxxers have to make up stories about mass death in foreign countries.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @The Anti-Gnostic

    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.

    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.

    Who are you, dumbass? And what’s your source for this disinformation?

    I’ll give Steve the benefit of the doubt and assume you are some Deep State troll. But if you are actually an authentic person who is attracted to this site, it kind of proves my point. Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller or just a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons. I might as well read the New York times for all the insights Steve has to offer when it comes to government perfidy.

    • Replies: @Fenian Raider
    @Hypnotoad666


    Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller
     
    Steve made his pro-vaccine views clear at the beginning of COVID vaccination but got a lot of blowback and has been silent since that time, presumably assuming that idiots like yourself would quickly forget his stance.

    Certainly he's not as brave as someone like Anatoly Karlin or Richard Spencer, who are willing to tell their followers when they're acting like a bunch of morons.

    But if you are actually an authentic person who is attracted to this site, it kind of proves my point
     
    I (was) attracted to this site as a place where intelligent people could critique the multiculti madness. It used to be possible to do that without a thousand morons coming on and calling people Deep State Conspiracy Members if they don't believe these tall tales about how six billion Filipino Bike Boys died in the Vaccinocaust.

    a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons
     
    Let me guess: you had no interest in anti-vax, a movement that has existed for a long time, before 2021, when you suddenly decided you were a believer. You're only saying this crap because other people started saying it.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    , @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    “I’ll give Steve the benefit of the doubt and assume you are some Deep State troll. “

    Lol, it appears to me that whoever disagrees with you or opposes your position receives this designation. That’s not critical thinking.

    “Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller or just a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons”

    Do you truly believe in this binary approach?

  121. @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    The CDC Excess death counts come with a lag of up to 10 weeks, but it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection, which is way down from the 25% to 45% excess deaths regularly seen during the first five big covid waves up through Omicron in early 2022, or the +10% seen in the last covid wave late in 2022.

    Replies: @HA, @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante

    it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection

    So what you are saying is that (non-covid) excess deaths declined after people stopped taking the vaccine. And you see this as proof that the vaccine was not the cause of those deaths. Occam’s butter knife in action.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "So what you are saying is that (non-covid) excess deaths declined after people stopped taking the vaccine."

    No. Try and keep up. There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics. That's just you piling on your wishful-thinking. The whole point of focusing on excess death stats in the first place was to get past the just-a-flu-bro accusations about how the alarming bump in ALL deaths was solely due to motorcycle accidents being wrongly classified as COVID complications in the pathologists' cause-of-death reports, and games with PCR thresholds, etc. Your memory seems unduly spotty -- long COVID, maybe?

    Comparisons between vaxxed and unvaxxed individuals still show that that the former do less dying than the latter, but some of that is undoubtedly due to the fact that the latter cohort includes people not particularly concerned about their health in the first place, as well as those stricken with the potentially fatal flaw of being anti-vaxx idiots.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666

  122. @Altai3
    It's important to also remember that Australia went that hard because the benefits of such a policy were so much greater. Australia was cut off from the world before Covid made it there (Due to it's relative isolation already) and it wasn't until late 2020 that they even had any serious outbreaks. They had sport and other events as normal like New Zealand during most of 2020.

    Australia was also able to do things like cut Sydney off from Melbourne (Due to there not being, like say the low countries a fairly high density continuum of people living between cities making outbreaks faster to spread. There is just desert expanse, if you shut the road and ban trail and air travel there would be little if any movement between those cities) and let outbreaks burn out in one major urban area before they spread to another.

    Australia actually had a pretty good chance of short and hard lockdowns followed by lax periods working and it pretty much did.

    If we lived under a rational regime in the West a big question would have been asked about what if any benefit Australia would get from opening it's borders again would be. Didn't see the country or indeed any Western country spectacularly fall apart from immigration being brought to a standstill for a year and a half.

    This wasn't an option as much in the US due to the way people move around so much internally and lacking Australia's vast empty expanses between cities. Though why Europe reopened their borders to each other despite knowing that it would trigger outbreaks that they would attempt to control with lockdowns despite movement between European countries being much lower and those countries being highly self-sufficient from the before times when countries meant something is beyond me. I remember places like Spain pleading to allow tourism again despite the fact that it would trigger massive outbreaks that would cost Spain and other countries more anyway, very strange.

    And yeah, Lebanese are notorious as dumb annoying clannish jackasses in Australia. Not dissimilar to the way Italians are seen in Canada. (And were seen in the US) Few Western countries have ever had such a long history of Arab immigration of such scale as Australia, certainly no Anglophone one. Though it may be that with lower rates overall during the 70s and 80s that it made the Lebs stick out. They certainly left their cultural mark.

    People really hate gold chain man in all his forms.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

    Replies: @Anonymous, @New Dealer, @pyrrhus, @Mr. XYZ, @Truth Vigilante, @EdwardM

    I am not familiar with the Australian case, but in pretty much every other locale, Lebanese are among the most civilized and successful immigrant/diaspora groups. Mostly Christians not surprisingly. It’s really remarkable how they’ve thrived in the West, Arabian peninsula, Latin America. West Africa, East Africa, etc. while their own country is a fiasco yet not without considerable charms.

    Not saying we should welcome them, but if you have to associate with them in Dubai or America, you could have it much worse.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @EdwardM

    When people started to discover Nayib Bukele (the leader of El Salvador who put a stop to decades of gang murders by simply building a really big prison and arresting everybody with gang tattoos) I marveled that Lebanese could be so good at running a country, so long as it's not their own.

  123. @Reg Cæsar
    In related news, South Africa's supreme court-- yes, the same one that gave all of Africa her only jurisdiction with "same-sex marriage"-- has just ruled that flying the old flag constitutes "hate speech" under current statutes:


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3pwOC1kWEOA



    (Relax. It's a "Short", limited to a minute. And whenever Canadians annoy you with their virtue signa(l)ling vis-à-vis the US, go to this guy's channel to see their beloved balloons get a deserving puncture. A very needed service!)

    I liked the old flag. Like California's, it breaks a fundamental rule of flag design (no words; no other flags snuck in-- that means U[T]!-- unless used as the canton), but in a very forgivable, almost endearing way. Every US state is-- in theory-- a republic, and the little flags for the constituent states which formed the RSA were arranged nicely.

    The new one looks like Amtrak-on-acid, and, worse, contains no orange at all.


    https://dickens2015.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/17309179_1539170599434728_8929150928988660165_n.jpg?w=440



    I didn't know that blacks fenced-- other than stolen property-- but this fellow's lack of sportsmanship and self-control got our whole team kicked out of a tournament, and perhaps cost us our spot at next year's Olympics in-- where is it, again?

    "Zonal" in the title makes it look like this is from John McCain's native land, but, no, this took place in Peru. (Where, by the way, student governments are chosen by the teachers, not elected by fellow teens. On merit, let's hope.)



    USA Fencing's Olympic hopes in jeopardy after member's outburst leads to disqualification at Pan-Am Games


    If you think the calls he was protesting might indeed have been unfair, you can see for yourself here.


    I don't know a damned thing about fencing, except for those terms which make it into the crossword, but my ticket at Barcelona's Olympics was the best investment of the trip. Eight hours of air conditioning!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @EdwardM

    next year’s Olympics in– where is it, again?

    Paris. I have a bet with a friend whether they’ll fix Notre Dame in time. I say no.

    Remember the IOC considered 2024 and 2028 at the same time, and awarded the latter to Los Angeles. I speculated at the time that they probably did that, instead of the other way around, because they didn’t want to see President Trump grinning on the podium at the opening ceremony. It would be a great irony if they got that anyway in 2028.

    Still, I wish the Olympics would just go away, collapsing under their own frivolity, waste, and corruption. Or at least ensure that only wealthy dictatorships host them in the future. Put ‘em all in China, UAE, Qatar, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Equatorial Guinea, etc. where they belong.

  124. @Anon
    @Mr. Anon


    And, medical malpractice has always contributed to pandemic death tolls. In 2020, it was Remdesivir and ventillators. In 1918 it was aspirin:

    Aspirin Misuse May Have Made 1918 Flu Pandemic Worse

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm
     
    Another good reason to mistrust “The Science”.
     
    Who are we supposed to trust? Homeopathic frauds? "Traditional medicine" grifters? Screaming 300 pound internet antivaxxers like Alex Jones? Anonymous 90 IQ conspiracy theorist commenters like the ones here afraid of "mRNA vaccines" who don't even know what mRNA stands for?

    Science isn't perfect. It makes mistakes, sometimes royally screwing things up. It's still the best method we've got.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Science isn’t perfect. It makes mistakes,

    “Science” is the process of applying logic to data. “Science” is not a group of authority figures or their consensus beliefs.

    “Science” doesn’t make mistakes. People make mistakes in collecting data or applying logic to that data. Sorry to be pedantic. But if you use words too loosely you end up with bad logical fallacies — like the MSM party line that treats “science” as nothing more than an appeal to authority.

    • Agree: Mark G., J.Ross
  125. @Reg Cæsar

    Australia's Heritage of Slavery, Jim Crow, and Redlining Strikes Again
     
    Whereas Belgium's heritage of landlocked colonialism is still paying dividends:



    https://youtu.be/Xn1Wma5C-K4

    Replies: @Wielgus

    She should stick to shot-putting… But her persistence is admirable.

  126. @YetAnotherAnon
    Oz has gone in 50 years from the "ocker" stereotype of Barry McKenzie and Python ("I don't want to see anyone mistreating the abos - if there's anybody looking") - to the most PC place imaginable.

    When Ben Elton had finished with the UK he headed there to help the transformation of Oz.

    You literally cannot walk into a supermarket without a large notice telling you that


    "MegaMart Pty. acknowledge the Manuru people as the traditional custodians of the land on which this store stands (and we have zero intention of giving the land back, but it's the thought that counts). We pay respect to their elders, their culture and their sacred spaces (but not in cash)."
     
    Oddly when you walk into an Asian store in Bradford there are no notices acknowledging the traditional custodians of Yorkshire land or any question of respect.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @J.Ross, @NJ Transit Commuter, @pyrrhus, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    How about they put one of those land acknowledgement plaques on 10 Downing Street.

  127. @Fenian Raider
    @Truth Vigilante


    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.
     
    Wasn't so harmless in Mexico, which had lots of sun and lots of COVID deaths. It's more likely that the lockdown worked but you can't ever admit to being wrong so you made up this BS explanation.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and …. tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
     
    Every time I ask an anti-vaxxer for evidence, they never provide it. All they ever have is unsupported assertions and name-calling.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Truth Vigilante, @Anonymous

    2 comments so far. Both hostile, kovid kultist rants. Perhaps a HA sockpuppet?

  128. @Anon
    @Nachum

    1866-1868 was the period of Carpetbaggers, Northerners who went down South to "reconstruct" the Southerners, and pad their northern bank accounts.

    "We are from the Federal Government, and we are here to help you."

    "Run Forrest, run."

    Replies: @Nachum

    Oh, I’m not talking one way or the other *why* the Klan existed, just that it did.

    Reconstruction ended in 1876, but I think the Klan was long gone before then.

    It left such an impression to some that it even appears as the bad guy in one of the original Sherlock Holmes stories, written and set decades later.

  129. @Dr. X
    @Nachum

    If the Klan hadn't actually existed, they would have invented it to fulfill the narrative. That's basically what they're doing today -- there is no actual Klan of any consequence, it's basically all FBI informants.

    There were a handful of Klansmen who did some illegal things in the '50s and '60s but their significance has been totally overblown for propaganda purposes. I think it was Ann Coulter who once added up the entire number of blacks killed by the Klan during the entire decade and it was less than ten -- in other words, a death toll similar to a slow weekend of black-on-black violence in Chicago or Detroit today.

    Replies: @Nachum

    Right, but the “Klans” of that era were just small local groups not connected to each other, not at all like the huge national organization of the 1920’s.

  130. @Fenian Raider
    @Truth Vigilante


    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.
     
    Wasn't so harmless in Mexico, which had lots of sun and lots of COVID deaths. It's more likely that the lockdown worked but you can't ever admit to being wrong so you made up this BS explanation.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and …. tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
     
    Every time I ask an anti-vaxxer for evidence, they never provide it. All they ever have is unsupported assertions and name-calling.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Truth Vigilante, @Anonymous

    It’s more likely that the lockdown worked but you can’t ever admit to being wrong so you made up this BS explanation.

    You’re not very attentive, are you ? Pretty much what I’ve come to expect from vaxxed-to-the-max morons.

    So let me repeat it for you again:

    1) Before the vaxx rollout there were LESS THAN 1000 Covid deaths in Australia (this despite the fact that Covid had already spread widely throughout the nation).

    The state of Victoria (not our most populous state), had OVER EIGHTY PERCENT (80%) of the recorded deaths in the first 18 months of the scamdemic.
    Victoria was also the state that was lockdowned for much of that time, had the harshest Covid tyranny, police brutality on its citizenry, toughest travel curfews/mask mandates etc.

    The other five states and two territories only had short lived lockdowns for a few weeks in late March/early April 2020, and then everything pretty much went back to normal up until mid 2021.
    Yet these five states and two territories IN AGGREGATE, had less than 200 Covid deaths between them.

    Got it now Simian Raider ?

    THERE WERE NO LOCKDOWNS OF SUBSTANCE IN MOST OF AUSTRALIA UP UNTIL mid 2021.
    And in that totally unrestricted part of Australia where we were free to mingle, attend sports fixtures in capacity crowd stadiums etc (ie: the majority of it), there were VERY FEW COVID DEATHS RECORDED.

    So, when you say ‘the lockdowns worked’, perhaps they did work from your Talmudic perspective.
    ie: lots of goys died where the lockdowns were long lasting and tyrannically applied.

    But from a humane standpoint, the lockdowns were a DISASTER everywhere on the planet they were applied.

    You speak of ‘B.S explanations’ but I supplied you CONCRETE FACTS.
    I supplied the Worldometer graphs that show ONLY ONE (1) SINGLE M-F’er died in the whole of Australia in the first six months of 2021. ie: before the vaxx was rolled out in earnest.

    Of course, concurrent with the rollout of the clot shots in mid 2021, the whole country went into lockdown and, needless to say, people started dropping like flies in the latter half of 2021 and into 2022.

    As for this asinine remark of yours:

    Every time I ask an anti-vaxxer for evidence, they never provide it. All they ever have is unsupported assertions …

    Are you claiming that the Worldometers data is unsupported ? If so, those spike proteins are doing more damage to your brain that I’d imagined.

    The fact is, I am the one supplying the hard facts.
    It is YOU Simian Raider that is propagating the B.S. But typical leftist Socialist Distancer that you are, you’ll never admit you were dead wrong.

    You should self euthanase yourself for the good of society*.
    (*Oops, my bad. I forgot that you’re already fully vaxxed. It seems you’re well on the way to an early demise).

    • Thanks: BB753
  131. @EdwardM
    @Altai3

    I am not familiar with the Australian case, but in pretty much every other locale, Lebanese are among the most civilized and successful immigrant/diaspora groups. Mostly Christians not surprisingly. It’s really remarkable how they’ve thrived in the West, Arabian peninsula, Latin America. West Africa, East Africa, etc. while their own country is a fiasco yet not without considerable charms.

    Not saying we should welcome them, but if you have to associate with them in Dubai or America, you could have it much worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    When people started to discover Nayib Bukele (the leader of El Salvador who put a stop to decades of gang murders by simply building a really big prison and arresting everybody with gang tattoos) I marveled that Lebanese could be so good at running a country, so long as it’s not their own.

  132. @Pixo
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “ COVID was an exercise in totalitarian control, so yeah it’s kind of important.”

    Governments have always had extreme powers during pandemics. Compulsory vaccination was uncontroversial even during the libertarian Gilded Age.

    In some cases, government pandemic controls went too far (school shutdowns), in others they didn’t go far enough (travel bans). So what?

    You missed my main point to Tre. The “totalitarian agenda” isn’t to make people work from home and wear surgical masks at Kroger, it’s to race-replace Europe and White America. On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.

    “And the GOF labs where they cook up viruses to develop the vaccines to supposedly protect people against the cooked-up viruses need to be burned to the ground.”

    Take that up with Chairman Xi.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666, @Mark G.

    On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.

    The Covid lockdowns destroyed large numbers of small mom and pop businesses. Small independent business owners are generally conservative, the type of people who would oppose open borders and race replacement. These are not people who you want to harm. Benefitting from the lockdowns was leftist big tech, since people were forced to stay at home and stare at screens. Benefitting from the mandatory vaccinations was big pharma, a major political contributor to corrupt leftist politicians like Biden, along with equally corrupt neocon Republican politicians. Both these groups are on the open borders side. The epidemic was also used to justify more mail in voting, also designed to benefit and help the political establishment in its effort to dislodge Trump from office.

    The state that came out of the whole Covid affair best was Florida. Adjusted for age distribution, Florida had a death rate at about the national average while suffering much less economic harm and loss of personal freedom than most other states. People voted with their feet in droves during the epidemic and moved out of liberal states like California and New York to Florida. DeSantis was against the authoritarian excesses that took place during the epidemic and is now against the current open borders fanaticism. He understands both are aimed at ordinary productive Americans.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Mark G.

    It'll be interesting to see if there's a learning gap between those states who locked down hard and those that didn't. The early test scores here in MA aren't pretty.

  133. @Corpse Tooth
    @Reg Cæsar

    I blame my candy cigarette habit on my weed habit.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I remember gum cigarettes, not candy, Mr.Tooth, both light green and pink.

    These gum cigarettes were not a gateway drug to real cigarettes, but they were a gateway drug to more gum… and candy… more sugar, which can be as bad for you as cigarettes, come to think of it.

    (How about all candy bars and packages being required to have big pictures of lower leg amputation surgery in progress due to diabetes on them? That might fly in Australia, mate.)

  134. @Fenian Raider
    @Hypnotoad666


    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.
     
    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.

    Hey, but check out the mortality rate of Filipino scooter riders between 2020-2022. Now that’s a scoop!
     
    Filipino scooter riders, that's a new one. Anti-vaxxer idiots were predicting mass death in America. But people can look around and see none of that around them, so anti-vaxxers have to make up stories about mass death in foreign countries.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Are we still supposed to be getting the shot? How often?

    Most people in my Dunbar number didn’t get the jabs; we’re all still here, btw. The ones who did felt so ill after the second poke they said never again.

    • Replies: @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Are we still supposed to be getting the shot? How often?"

    Once a year if you're not particularly at risk, twice a year if you are. Check with your doctor to see what side of that divide you're on (it's admittedly a judgment call at this point, but that's how it goes). And don't get your diapers in a twist over the fact that the link is from USA Today -- the article does include a link to the Yale study on which the conclusion is based, so you can peruse both before returning to Facebook and Twitter and your carefully curated list of anti-vaxxer quacks and hacks.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  135. Yet another way the US and Australia are different:

    It would be diffficult to envisage an Australian immigration restrictionist movement having prominent leaders with foreign accents as is the case with Vdare in the US

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @sb

    LOL! It's easy to follow the words of Mr. Brimelow if you pay close attention. If you miss two words or more, the whole rest of that sentence is pretty much lost! Kudos to his work and the whole operation though.

  136. @Kylie
    My favorite comedienne does parodies of tourists who spend a couple days in some other country and then come home bragging about their totally immersive cultural experience.

    Here's her take on that one girl who just got back from Australia.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/YpdeQIUPo3M?feature=share4

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips, @kaganovitch

    Outstanding!

  137. @sb
    Yet another way the US and Australia are different:

    It would be diffficult to envisage an Australian immigration restrictionist movement having prominent leaders with foreign accents as is the case with Vdare in the US

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    LOL! It’s easy to follow the words of Mr. Brimelow if you pay close attention. If you miss two words or more, the whole rest of that sentence is pretty much lost! Kudos to his work and the whole operation though.

  138. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, Target, a go-to store for the middle-class, wants to die:

    https://twitter.com/Target/status/607902753919082497?s=20

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m so glad I’m an uber-male-style shopper. Go in, head to the stuff I intend to buy, and GTFO. If these displays are not near the cases of water, fruit, socks, cat food, stationary, or rubic’s cubes, I would have no idea this stuff is going on.

    Now – back to the slightly O/T subject here – when Target had the idiotic floor stickers and stretched out shopping cart lines, that’s when I was upset.

    There’s still one lady at a register who wears a thick face mask. She’s very friendly to pass the time and make her job better, but I couldn’t understand the half of it! I had to tell her, so she took it off to talk to me… Whatever!

  139. @tyrone
    @Nachum


    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since
     
    ....the few that are around are more that likely FED.....oh how they yearn for a KKK.

    Replies: @Robertson, @HammerJack, @Brutusale

    There were 130,000 KKK members in Massachusetts alone in 1925.

    “Few individuals, including Tague, likely believed Simmons’s statement.
    Fewer still would have anticipated the KKK’s astounding rise in New
    England in the years to follow. According to the Washington Post, from the
    Klan’s formation in each individual state until it peaked in 1925, it admitted
    21,321 members in Rhode Island, 65,590 in Connecticut, 75,000 in New
    Hampshire, 80,301 in Vermont, 130,780 in Massachusetts, and 150,141 in
    Maine.2
    KKK membership remains difficult to determine with precision,
    but even if the actual numbers in the New England states were a fraction—
    say, one-tenth—of the Washington Post’s reported figures, they would
    nonetheless be phenomenal for the region. Each of the six New England
    states had witnessed significant Catholic immigration in the late nineteenth
    and early twentieth centuries, much of it consisting of French Canadians
    from Québec, and the Ku Klux Klan took notice.”

    https://www.westfield.ma.edu/historical-journal/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/KKK-in-MA-final.pdf

  140. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anon

    They're not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet and can't balance risk-return because they're just getting free money from Uncle Sugar.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Anon

    They’re not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet and can’t balance risk-return

    Excellent typo, bro! I can just visualize a bunch of geeks making long thin omelets over a bunsen burner…

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @kaganovitch

    Hahaha! I had to read that one three times. Also sure a geek somewhere has put together a narrow, technical skillet.

    Seriously, in all these debates over GOF research nobody seems to recall that we already have precedent for a government scientist releasing weaponized anthrax to get more funding and status for his department.

    Would ideological partisans within the bureaucracy and its patronage networks use NBC weapons on deplorables? Of course they would. If you're an ideologue whose opponents are #literallyHitler, killing meemaw, destroying the planet, you'll go all-out Twelve Monkeys.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  141. @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don't need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also "But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land" -- Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains "legitimate" forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @epebble, @HammerJack, @Mehool Mehta, @Anonymous

    Ross Bhai,

    Mohammed is fake, he never existed. Islam is a fake religion invented by some people to make conquering army who would go out, loot, enslave and subjugate other civilizations.

    Did Muhammad Even Exist? -The Search for Muhammad – Episode 1

    Robert Spencer: My New Book Proves That Muhammad Probably Never Existed!

    Regards,
    Mehool Bhai, Mumbai.

    • Thanks: Pixo
  142. @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I flew into Vancouver in 2013, and was stunned to see perhaps 200-300 Asians in line at international arrivals with Canadian passports. I had no idea the immigration was of that magnitude.

    I don’t know how most Canadians feel about Asian immigrants, but they are mostly not destructive. I have seen the Toronto roster of “most wanted”; there’s not an Asian face; maybe two whites, and the rest are the usual suspects. If only Canadians (an Europeans) had paid the slightest bit of heed to what many Americans have been saying about the inherent behaviors of Africans, especially those arriving straight out of the heart of darkness with no European admixture. The non-Persian middle easterners aren’t far behind in terms of depravity.

    Pauline Hanson in Australia has been doing her best to keep the brown tide out, but she seems to be a lone voice in the wind. When she’s gone, it’s curtains.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @che guava

    Vancouver had been dubbed HongCouver long ago, TTTT. No, they are not physically destructive. Though not as friendly, in my locale, as your natives, they are easy to get along with.

    The problem is in the numbers. 1% Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/etc. people assimilated well into American society, or at some point even 5% is not a big problem. However, in large numbers, people a) have no reason to assimilate* and b) They import a whole ‘nother culture. Along with that come the problems, like the CCP having police stations or having civil wars due to the importation of Sunnis and Shites. Who the hell needs that? Who the hell asked for that?

    Even if the Aussies and Canadians, so proud of picking the best people, did pick the “right” people, they’d still be changing their countries (barring Englishmen/Americans/White S. Africans only – even then, it’d be a slight change). Were the Australian people and the Canadian people asked about their preference about this?

    I don’t mean to sound like I’m arguing against you, TTTT. I just follow the whole immigration invasion thing very closely – VDare reader for about 2 decades.
    .

    * I’d do the same. Were I to pull a Fred Reed and high-tail it to a gated community in Ole Mexico (Uruguay’d be my choice), I’m sure I would rather hang out with American ex-pats and live like an American as much as possible.

    • Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree with you on the restriction of immigration, regardless of where they are coming from. We need a moratorium and a return to sender policy. If we must slit our own throats with imports, I’d rather eat sushi than the pavement. I feel the same for all western countries, get the invaders out.

    I don’t believe foreign countries, in general, should own property in America; I’ve heard rumors about “some foreign company” buying up major utility companies in Texas and elsewhere. I have no idea if it’s true, but if it’s bad for America, I’m sure it’s happening. Strange things are occurring all over the place. How about chemtrails? Really? I laugh, and then we have a small overnight rain shower, and the next day, every bit of algae in my bird baths and wildlife water bowls is gone. No trace of algae whatsoever. I tried to accomplish that feat with bleach and scrubbers, but to no avail. I think this is odd. Everyone thinks I’m crazy.

    It’s obvious that average citizens do not really get to decide anything for themselves. Fortunately, those in charge may have just overplayed their hand. I don’t know how you really feel about Trump, but because of his blasting away at CNN, et al, I went from suspecting the media was biased to knowing they are the most dangerous enemy we face, just slightly ahead of the Blacks!

    Soldier on!

  143. @anonymous
    @BB753

    Suppose they're glad they gave up their guns now?

    Replies: @BB753

    Americans are too confident that merely owning guns can protect you from a tyrannical state.

  144. @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    The CDC Excess death counts come with a lag of up to 10 weeks, but it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection, which is way down from the 25% to 45% excess deaths regularly seen during the first five big covid waves up through Omicron in early 2022, or the +10% seen in the last covid wave late in 2022.

    Replies: @HA, @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante

    Steve, I a posted a comment over two hours ago, and another posted over 10 hours ago, and they’re both ‘Awaiting Moderation’.

    I’m curious, how many more hours before this moderation period is over ?
    Is it normal practice in your threads for moderation to take this long ?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Truth Vigilante

    I do sleep, you know.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Truth Vigilante

  145. HA says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Fenian Raider

    Are we still supposed to be getting the shot? How often?

    Most people in my Dunbar number didn't get the jabs; we're all still here, btw. The ones who did felt so ill after the second poke they said never again.

    Replies: @HA

    “Are we still supposed to be getting the shot? How often?”

    Once a year if you’re not particularly at risk, twice a year if you are. Check with your doctor to see what side of that divide you’re on (it’s admittedly a judgment call at this point, but that’s how it goes). And don’t get your diapers in a twist over the fact that the link is from USA Today — the article does include a link to the Yale study on which the conclusion is based, so you can peruse both before returning to Facebook and Twitter and your carefully curated list of anti-vaxxer quacks and hacks.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    Sorry. I'm not taking your mystery bug-juice that provides no public health benefit beyond savings to Social Security. (It's actually more like an allergy shot). I'm not wearing your sheetrock-hanger's mask either.

    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):

    https://i.imgur.com/iEjyezj.jpg

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @HA, @Truth Vigilante

  146. @Hypnotoad666
    @Fenian Raider



    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.
     
    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.
     
    Who are you, dumbass? And what's your source for this disinformation?

    I'll give Steve the benefit of the doubt and assume you are some Deep State troll. But if you are actually an authentic person who is attracted to this site, it kind of proves my point. Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller or just a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons. I might as well read the New York times for all the insights Steve has to offer when it comes to government perfidy.

    Replies: @Fenian Raider, @Corvinus

    Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller

    Steve made his pro-vaccine views clear at the beginning of COVID vaccination but got a lot of blowback and has been silent since that time, presumably assuming that idiots like yourself would quickly forget his stance.

    Certainly he’s not as brave as someone like Anatoly Karlin or Richard Spencer, who are willing to tell their followers when they’re acting like a bunch of morons.

    But if you are actually an authentic person who is attracted to this site, it kind of proves my point

    I (was) attracted to this site as a place where intelligent people could critique the multiculti madness. It used to be possible to do that without a thousand morons coming on and calling people Deep State Conspiracy Members if they don’t believe these tall tales about how six billion Filipino Bike Boys died in the Vaccinocaust.

    a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons

    Let me guess: you had no interest in anti-vax, a movement that has existed for a long time, before 2021, when you suddenly decided you were a believer. You’re only saying this crap because other people started saying it.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @Fenian Raider

    Simian Raider writes:


    Let me guess: you had no interest in anti-vax, a movement that has existed for a long time, before 2021, when you suddenly decided you were a believer.
     
    I think I speak on behalf of a lot of people here, and I am not anti-vaxx.
    I am pro SAFE and EFFECTIVE VACCINES.

    But the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as vaccines have been anything other than safe, and we already know that they're not effective - as any perusal of the hard facts will testify.

    I've been following the output of RFK Jr for many years, and what he's said about the danger of a variety of vaccines has been spot on accurate.
    Bear in mind, as an anarcho capitalist and Ron Paul Libertarian, I'm not the sort of individual that would be partial to the ideas of a typical liberal Democrat.
    But Bobby Jr is not your typical Democrat.


    With the exception of Dr Ron Paul, RFK Jr is the most honest, courageous, well informed Presidential candidate in the entire post JFK era.
     
    Simian Raider, you would be well advised to listen to what he has to say on vaccines.

    UR readers who are sceptical about RFK Jr, please take the time to watch the following video made some years before the Covid Psyop terrorised the world, where Bobby Jr speaks about the danger of the HPV Gardasil vaccine (those pressed for time should watch at least the first 90 secs of it - as well as the section from about 27:00 - 35:00):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd3po3CGNzQ


    SUMMARY: RFK Jr has cost Merck (the manufacturer of the Gardasil vaccine) countless hundreds of millions in lost revenue around the world (if not billions), as parents avoid this toxic concoction on Bobby's urging.

    If you watched the first minute and half of the video, you'll see that Bobby Jr is encouraging Merck to sue him if they think he's making false allegations against their dangerous vaccine.

    But, Merck WON'T SUE RFK Jr - because Bobby speaks the TRUTH.
     
    EVERYTHING Bobby Jr has been saying on vaccines is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
    For all your sakes, I hope all you Vaxxed-to-the-Max Big pharma advocates wake up to the folly of your beliefs.

    Meanwhile UR readers, before you take ANY vaccine, the annual flu shots etc (especially if it's from Pfizer), please consider the enormous fines that Big Pharma has paid for its various frauds and chicanery over the years:


    Pfizer alone has paid USD $4.7 billion in fines for:

    1) False claims
    2) Drug and Medical equipment safety violations
    3) Off-label promotion
    4) Corrupt practices
    5) Kickbacks
    6) Bribery

    It isn’t only a few faked test results or a failure to notify the FDA of a drug’s harmful side effects. The pharma industry has a 100-year history of committing almost every crime imaginable short of bank robbery and arson.

    On the medical side we have:

    1) Faked and non-existent drug tests

    2) Falsified drug test results

    3) Falsified manufacturing records

    4) Adulteration of medications

    5) Non-disclosure of harmful and fatal side-effects

    6) Non-disclosure of failed drug tests

    7) False advertising

    8) Selling adulterated drugs and defective medical appliances, illegal medical experiments, fraudulent drug trials and so much more.

    We also have severely-contaminated and sometimes-lethal vaccines.
     
    Pfizer's (and most of Big Pharma's) track record as far as integrity is concerned, is horrendous.
  147. @epebble
    @J.Ross

    That thinking may not be uniquely Muslim. I have heard some evangelicals use the term pre-Christian to describe non-Christians.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @BB753

    Evangelicals are only marginally Christian and 100 % heretic. What they believe does not matter.

  148. @AnotherDad
    @SafeNow

    The "killer beaches! killer parks! killer golf!" was definitely the most bizarre and stupid part of the vast plethora of stupidity.

    Unlike a bunch of folks here, never bothered me much to slap a mask on to go into the store. BFD. I don't mind having a mask on other people in Walmart trying to cough or sneeze on me while I gathered my milk, eggs, chips and beer. Trivial inconvenience, mild risk reduction.

    But outdoor recreation is precisely what you want people to do during a pandemic. Outdoors is best with little chance of a virus getting from A to B--unless A and B snuggle up to each other. So unless you're really planning on locking everyone up for the duration, outdoor is what you want to encourage. And beach is actually best--salt air and breezes. That's the gold standard.

    We were not completely free of this even in Florida. For about a month--April--they "closed" the beaches as in the beach parks and parking lots. Presumably to discourage the hordes from Orlando. But AnotherMom and I were still free to do our usual beach walk--a mile up the beach, a mile back down, then back to the house. But you had to "walk". You couldn't sit still. We once saw a beach ranger harassing a good old boy who was just sitting there by himself. You just have to wonder about the mentality of people? Or I should say you couldn't sit still unless fishing. Poles and lines apparently mitigate all the virus spreading that sitting promotes. So people who wanted to sit, brought their poles.

    Fortunately, after a month DeSantis shut down the crazy and Florida got back to something normal. The beaches were full in May and June. You'd see some weirdos walking the beach with masks on ... but hey, I've got to look at fats and tats which are much, much uglier. And the kids were back in school in the fall.


    The whole thing just an exercise in outing the stupidity and feminine--"OMG they're golfing! They can't do that!"--and totalitarian mentality of so many people, and the rarity of "does this make any sense?" reasoning.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree with you wholeheartedly here and now, AD. That’s especially with regard to Governor DeSantis, a guy I didn’t even know existed until his great pushback against the Kung Flu Totalitarianism 3 years ago, with his understanding and use of Federalism. (It’s one more difference between him and the Donald. DeSantis has and understands principles.)

    That’s here and now. As I recall, you were NOT one of the anti-Totalitarianism commenters on here wrt the Kung Flu until much later in the whole PanicFest. I’m not gonna go look up comments, but during that 2 or 3 month period in which 75% of the posts were about “we should do this”, “maybe let’s make people do that”, “masks should be made in America” (well, they should, but not the point), “how about this?”, “Look at what’s going on at the ski resorts in Italy”*, you were into all that. By “into all that”, I mean, I don’t recall any cries of “lighten the hell up” and “let’s just leave people alone” from you at that time.

    I don’t expect an apology from anyone – it’s iSteve’s blog, he’s a force for good, and everyone makes mistakes. Maybe a small, “well, about my listening to and believing every back-and-forth piece of advice and admonishment from Dr. Fauci and those EXPERTS, I may have been, cough, cough, slightly too, cough, naive, cough, and subservient, cough….”

    .

    * I get it. iSteve notices interesting trends, and he likes analyzing them. However, all that, for 3 months running, was for the purpose of “What do we do? What do we do?” “WE” didn’t need to be told to do ANYTHING. That is even it it WERE the Black Death 2.0, which we all agree (NOW) that it wasn’t. I and everyone else who has a survival instinct would have known what to do, were it Black Death 2.0.

  149. HA says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @Steve Sailer


    it looks like total excess deaths from all causes (covid, myocarditis, murders, landslides, cancer, meteorite strikes, whatever, in March-April 2023 were down to about 1% over the 2015-2019 baseline projection
     
    So what you are saying is that (non-covid) excess deaths declined after people stopped taking the vaccine. And you see this as proof that the vaccine was not the cause of those deaths. Occam's butter knife in action.

    Replies: @HA

    “So what you are saying is that (non-covid) excess deaths declined after people stopped taking the vaccine.”

    No. Try and keep up. There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics. That’s just you piling on your wishful-thinking. The whole point of focusing on excess death stats in the first place was to get past the just-a-flu-bro accusations about how the alarming bump in ALL deaths was solely due to motorcycle accidents being wrongly classified as COVID complications in the pathologists’ cause-of-death reports, and games with PCR thresholds, etc. Your memory seems unduly spotty — long COVID, maybe?

    Comparisons between vaxxed and unvaxxed individuals still show that that the former do less dying than the latter, but some of that is undoubtedly due to the fact that the latter cohort includes people not particularly concerned about their health in the first place, as well as those stricken with the potentially fatal flaw of being anti-vaxx idiots.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    The whole point of focusing on excess death stats in the first place was to get past the just-a-flu-bro accusations about how the alarming bump in ALL deaths was solely due to motorcycle accidents....
     
    Yeah, it was only partially due to that. And that is supposed to make me trust the medical establishment more? The fact that some medical examiner looked at the mangled corpse of an accident victim or looked at a gunshot victim or someone who broke their neck in a fall and said "Yep, another COVID death!" hardly adds to their credibility.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @HA


    No. Try and keep up. There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics. That’s just you piling on your wishful-thinking.
     
    It's interesting that your level of certainty always correlates perfectly with your level of being wrong. Here's an excerpt from the CDC study linked by epebble.

    Counts of deaths from all causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented. As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to the COVID-19 pandemic (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems). https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
     

    Replies: @HA

  150. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    The fact that a mysterious “excess death” phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway). The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis. Yawn . . .
     
    Yawn is right. The same folks that trot out "it was all a scam!", now trot out "the vax is killing everyone".

    Well both can't be true. Here's the US death data:

    2009 -- 2,437,163
    2010 -- 2,468,435
    2011 -- 2,515,458
    2012 -- 2,543,279
    2013 -- 2,596,993
    2014 -- 2,626,418
    2015 -- 2,712,630
    2016 -- 2,744,248
    2017 -- 2,813,503
    2018 -- 2,839,205
    2019 -- 2,854,838
    2020 -- 3,383,729
    2021 -- 3,458,697
    2022 -- 3,273,705

    It's pretty clear. US deaths were ticking up a bit less than 50K a year as the much larger Boomer cohorts climbed into the "death zone"... then

    -- in 2020 deaths jump by 500K.
    -- in 2021 deaths ooze up but more or less stabilize
    -- in 2022 deaths fall back a couple hundred thousand, now probably only about 200k over the pre-covid trend. (You'd need some math--pre-covid death rates per age and then the age structure--to get a number. But death increase should be accelerating. Note the first post-War boomers--Clinton, Bush, Trump--are now hitting 77.)

    The logical conclusions:
    -- covid, being new to people's immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.
    -- now most people either exposed and/or vax'd and the virus itself mutated, covid is killing far fewer people
    -- the spike protein is bad for you and there are lingering negative health effects from having covid or having the vax for some people so death rates are still higher than pre-covid

    Yawn ... life goes on.


    We could of course talk about something critical like the deliberate genocide of white peoples, white nations, Western civilization by mass immivasion.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante, @Mr. Anon

    — covid, being new to people’s immune system, pushed a lot of people (about a 1 million Americans), mostly older and/or less healthy over the edge in 2020, 2021.

    It started a cull of the baby-boomers (and any remaining GGs), as many of us predicted. It is beginning to emerge – as was pointed out already in the Spring of 2020 by us “knuckleheads” (to use Steve’s appelation) – that a lot of those deaths were probably iatrogenic, i.e., they were themselves caused by the medical treatment those patients received (like aggressive use of ventilators).

    the spike protein is bad for you and there are lingering negative health effects from having covid or having the vax for some people so death rates are still higher than pre-covid

    Yeah, so maybe the idea of a vaccine that causes your own body to create those spike proteins (untethered to any virus particle, so that they’re smaller and can get it into lots of nooks and crannies in your body)…………………….wasn’t such a hot idea.

    We could of course talk about something critical like the deliberate genocide of white peoples, white nations, Western civilization by mass immivasion.

    What we saw in 2020-2022 was the deliberate implementation of medical martial law, the deliberate fostering of a weird society-wide OCD level of disease craziness that split families and isolated people, the deliberate coordination or the state with big business (the literal definition of fascism, according to Mussolini) for the empowerment and enrichment of an oligarch super-class. It was all done by the same people who push the white genocide you talk about, and it was all done for the same purpose. That was – and is – a big deal, and I’m not done talking about it.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  151. @kaganovitch
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    They’re not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet and can’t balance risk-return

    Excellent typo, bro! I can just visualize a bunch of geeks making long thin omelets over a bunsen burner...

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Hahaha! I had to read that one three times. Also sure a geek somewhere has put together a narrow, technical skillet.

    Seriously, in all these debates over GOF research nobody seems to recall that we already have precedent for a government scientist releasing weaponized anthrax to get more funding and status for his department.

    Would ideological partisans within the bureaucracy and its patronage networks use NBC weapons on deplorables? Of course they would. If you’re an ideologue whose opponents are #literallyHitler, killing meemaw, destroying the planet, you’ll go all-out Twelve Monkeys.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    nobody seems to recall that we already have precedent for a government scientist releasing weaponized anthrax to get more funding and status for his department.
    ==
    So the FBI claimed after his death. That's after they slimed Dr. Stephen Hatfill.

  152. @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Are we still supposed to be getting the shot? How often?"

    Once a year if you're not particularly at risk, twice a year if you are. Check with your doctor to see what side of that divide you're on (it's admittedly a judgment call at this point, but that's how it goes). And don't get your diapers in a twist over the fact that the link is from USA Today -- the article does include a link to the Yale study on which the conclusion is based, so you can peruse both before returning to Facebook and Twitter and your carefully curated list of anti-vaxxer quacks and hacks.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Sorry. I’m not taking your mystery bug-juice that provides no public health benefit beyond savings to Social Security. (It’s actually more like an allergy shot). I’m not wearing your sheetrock-hanger’s mask either.

    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Correction. That came out rather scrambled. It provides no public health benefit and drains Social Security by keeping 80-year old diabetics around for another year.

    Replies: @Anon, @Art Deco

    , @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Sorry. I’m not taking your mystery bug-juice..."

    You do what you want, you bad-boy rebel, you. Grow a goatee, ride a Harley, tell the world how much you love Putin -- whatever it takes to distract everyone from your under-endowed or saggy anatomy -- but I suspect the girlies actually worth having around will be no more impressed by all that than they are by your obvious comb-over or your muscle car.

    And if you don't want to deal with the mystery-bug-juice, you're more than free to instead deal with the mystery bugs that nature periodically spits out every century or so. Once the epidemic subsides, it's your call either way. As noted, the latest data show that the bug juice is significantly less deadly than the bug itself, but feel free to skip the actual science and stick with the Facebook memes, black sheep Kennedys and the anti-vaxx "experts" who only get read because of their lock-step conformity to your prejudices. So much for the so-called rebels.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Truth Vigilante

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):
     
    Good stuff Gnostic.

    And since we're on the topic of the ludicrous antics of the face mask wearers and Socialist Distancers, we have this 3 min video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feBb03kJ6UM

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @BB753, @Mike Tre

  153. @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "So what you are saying is that (non-covid) excess deaths declined after people stopped taking the vaccine."

    No. Try and keep up. There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics. That's just you piling on your wishful-thinking. The whole point of focusing on excess death stats in the first place was to get past the just-a-flu-bro accusations about how the alarming bump in ALL deaths was solely due to motorcycle accidents being wrongly classified as COVID complications in the pathologists' cause-of-death reports, and games with PCR thresholds, etc. Your memory seems unduly spotty -- long COVID, maybe?

    Comparisons between vaxxed and unvaxxed individuals still show that that the former do less dying than the latter, but some of that is undoubtedly due to the fact that the latter cohort includes people not particularly concerned about their health in the first place, as well as those stricken with the potentially fatal flaw of being anti-vaxx idiots.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    The whole point of focusing on excess death stats in the first place was to get past the just-a-flu-bro accusations about how the alarming bump in ALL deaths was solely due to motorcycle accidents….

    Yeah, it was only partially due to that. And that is supposed to make me trust the medical establishment more? The fact that some medical examiner looked at the mangled corpse of an accident victim or looked at a gunshot victim or someone who broke their neck in a fall and said “Yep, another COVID death!” hardly adds to their credibility.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "And that is supposed to make me trust the medical establishment more?"

    The excess graph is what it is -- whether it makes you trust the medical establishment more or less is up to you. The fact that the graph shows alarmingly huge spikes -- similar to those recorded around the world -- right about the time that a novel virus was first identified and later sequenced, and that the bump in deaths was in rough conformity with tallies of "cause-of-death-was-COVID" on coroners' reports makes me suspect that all those things are somehow connected, but again, the choice is yours. You can instead argue all you want about how some world-wide cabal or pharmaceutical lobby coordinated all this, and how all those deaths are really suicides-by-gunshot sparked by the agony over being locked down, or else mass hysteria, but my guess is you'll just be talking to your fellow practitioners of Facebook-meme medicine. Trying to to resuscitate a failed movement by claiming that Bulgaria and Romania had it right along or that myocarditis risk from vaccines is worse than that of COVID or that we really should have just stuck with Ivermectin is just twisting data around.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  154. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    Sorry. I'm not taking your mystery bug-juice that provides no public health benefit beyond savings to Social Security. (It's actually more like an allergy shot). I'm not wearing your sheetrock-hanger's mask either.

    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):

    https://i.imgur.com/iEjyezj.jpg

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @HA, @Truth Vigilante

    Correction. That came out rather scrambled. It provides no public health benefit and drains Social Security by keeping 80-year old diabetics around for another year.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    >80-year old diabetics

    What's with anti-vaxxers on the internet thinking they're the healthy ones? The anti-vaxxers I know IRL are slovenly people who weigh 300 pounds, trying and failing to lose it through fad diets. After all, taking health advice from YouTube streamers rather than doctors tends to produce poor outcomes in multiple ways.

    I hope your kids don't get you euthanized when you're eighty years old and they want to get their hands on your house a year early.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Truth Vigilante

    , @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    and drains Social Security by keeping 80-year old diabetics around for another year.
    ==
    I'm going to advise your children to just call the dump truck when you expire.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  155. @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I flew into Vancouver in 2013, and was stunned to see perhaps 200-300 Asians in line at international arrivals with Canadian passports. I had no idea the immigration was of that magnitude.

    I don’t know how most Canadians feel about Asian immigrants, but they are mostly not destructive. I have seen the Toronto roster of “most wanted”; there’s not an Asian face; maybe two whites, and the rest are the usual suspects. If only Canadians (an Europeans) had paid the slightest bit of heed to what many Americans have been saying about the inherent behaviors of Africans, especially those arriving straight out of the heart of darkness with no European admixture. The non-Persian middle easterners aren’t far behind in terms of depravity.

    Pauline Hanson in Australia has been doing her best to keep the brown tide out, but she seems to be a lone voice in the wind. When she’s gone, it’s curtains.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @che guava

    A Candidian friend told me years ago that Persian immigrants drove a giant spike in heroin trade.

    With the Viet influx that I don’t recall, the Japanese govt. sent all of tens of thousands landing here to sucker places, mainly Candidia and the U.S.A.

    Remnant population in Japan, just over 4,000.

    I do recall the Iranians, though, the main things I saw were trading in counterfeit telephone cards for use in public telephones, but am sure that was only the tip of it.

    I met an ex-Tudeh member, he was a good person, but most were criminal types.

    As with the Viets, the government found sucker countries on which to inflict the crimewave, in the case of the Iranians, mainly Candidia, partly U.S.A.

    Not much later, a Japanese bureaucrat, Ogata Sadako, was made UNHCR. This was a point of pride in the media. To me, it was funny, keeping ‘refugees’ out is a great idea, but, really, why select a woman from Japan, which consistently refuses almost any asylum cases (and wisely, last year was about 200) as UNHCR?

    The whole point of UNHCR at its foundation was as a vehicle for Jews to move anywhere in the English- and Spanish-speaking, and European spheres where they may like to go.

    By the time Ogata was UNHCR, this had changed to using mass-population movements as a kind of attack-dog.

    • Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
    @che guava

    I’m not personally familiar with many middle eastern people, with the exception of a few Persians, who say they differ from modern Iranians. I don’t know how true that is, but I don’t doubt many middle eastern people look forward to damaging western society, if given a chance. Considering the vipers in our government, I can’t say I blame them. I can’t stress enough how naive Americans are about the government, even those who try to pay a bit of attention. Officials lie, lie, lie, all of the time; no one is ever held accountable, therefore the extent of the treachery is never fully known.

    Despite what our governments do, I’m not willing to sacrifice western countries over what the vipers have been doing; we are victims, too. We can trade, visit, and admire each other from afar. While the fate of afghan girls seem sad to us, it’s not worth the life of an American man, so girls can go to school. I’m tired of the ridiculous platitudes; Americans seem to be waking up to it, and the world is better for it.

    *compared to Pakistanis and Afghans, Persians seem more culturally evolved; just an observation.

    Replies: @che guava

  156. @Reg Cæsar
    @Cagey Beast


    That’s my point: the worse things get here at home, the more some people will cling to faraway incidents like these.
     
    My "point" isn't "clinging", it's that almost every place on earth is in some demographic crisis, though those crises differ. Who is on deck to replace us? Yes, the major league players have degraded, but the AAA level is even worse: China is said to be the first country to grow old before growing rich. Russia is imploding. Indians can't wait to leave. Brazil has become the mulato inzoneiro of her most famous song. (Mexico is likewise a mestizo intrigoso.)

    Eastern Europe and East Asia aren't self-inundating with immigrants, but also have the world's lowest birthrates. Their demographic solstice is here. Korea, the best story of the lot, is still ⅓ communist.

    Face it, the whole world sucks. The West is still the best, but only by default.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, we’ll always have Uruguay.

    I dunno, but I really aim to check out Montevideo some time, just to know. I will end up in China again one more time, and I’m going to see what an uber-Orwellian society looks like, or not… I’ll report – on my blog exclusively. (Nah, nah…)

    As to your point, Reg: All the demographic changes as far as total population numbers within most of the countries of the world would not be a bad thing in any way in the long run…. EXCEPT for the situations (whole Western World) in which there’s an immigration invasion to replace the people. Along with that, keeping in mind iSteve’s “World’s most important graph”, it won’t be good if Africa doesn’t stay on that one continent.

  157. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline.
     
    No, they are not.

    I just laid the numbers out for you in a way any intelligent 6th grader ought to be able to grasp ... but then you parrot this bogus--completely bogus--idea that American deaths should be the same as in 2018-2019. That's just utter nonsense for reasons that are both a) obvious and b) that I just explained.

    The birth cohorts in the late 50s where about 4 million. In addtion we've had massive immigration bringing in more people--in those ages and spread through the adult cohorts. There are 330 million+ people. You can do some simple back of the envelope and realize that US deaths must--well baring some crazy breakthrough in life extension--rise to 4 million+ a year over the next couple decades. 2018/19 is not some "baseline" for all time. It's not even a "baseline" for 2022.

    Here's are some back of the envelope, but reasonable baselines--for the last few years, just projecting what was going on:
    2020 -- 2,90o,000
    2021 -- 2,955,000
    2022 -- 3,010,000

    2020 -- 480K excess deaths
    2021 -- 500K excess deaths
    2022 -- 260K excess deaths

    Anyone telling you there are 15% excess deaths now--which there indeed were during 2020-21--is perpetrating a fraud.

    And no covid is not "over". It had dialed way back but is still killing lots of extra people. (The CDC lists 244K, though some of those will of course not be covid deaths but other issues were covid was merely an aggravating factor or simply around.) And until some further medical breakthrough covid is never going to be "over". Just like the flu is never "over".

    The 2022 excess? Spitballing:
    #1 -- the majority: covid deaths, old/sickly folks pushed over the edge by covid infection
    #2 -- deaths from worse health due to previous covid infection and/or the vax
    #3 -- deaths from just generally shittier life in the USA post-pandemic/St.George OD; more drug use/overdoses, more obesity, more traffic accidents, more murders, more alienation

    This is not complicated. We--well Fauci and Daszak and the Bat girl--introduced a new pathogen, which has probably peeled back a couple of years of life expectancy (from the roughly 10 year gain during my lifetime).


    Note: I don't at all discount the covid vax causing some of this. It almost certainly is. (My default "common sense" take: vax is bad, covid infection is worse. One hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins. The other hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins ... on viruses that then go and hijack more of your cells to make more spike proteins on viruses which hijack more of your cells. ...)

    Vaccines are basically almost always "bad for you". People take them to mitigate something that is even worse for you. (They did crazy innoculation/exposure in the old days that had results like 2% death rate ... because they were facing things like smallpox or yellow fever that would kill 15-30%.)

    But ... you have to show that the vax is in the net negative. (Or that there's some compelling scientific reason for it to be worse than infection.) I.e. that people getting vaxed is worse for them. And that does not mean "more vaxed people" or "relatively more vaxxed people" dying. We know vaccination--quite reasonably--skews old/less-healthy. It has to be age and health status adjusted data that shows vaccination is worse than not. And even then ... you want to compare both people who then got covid and those who did not. I.e. we assume getting the vax is worse for you than not ... if you don't get covid. But we assume everyone will eventually be exposed, so the real issue is the full life cycle. (At least in 2021, getting the vax was highly beneficial. People who did not had a far higher hospitalization and death rates.) But whether that is still the case? Do not know. It could be that the vax is sufficiently worthless against current covid, that the lives saved in 2021, and being cancelled out by lives lost down the road from a now worthless vaccine. All this requires carefully parsing through the data.

    But most of the "it's the vax!" people fail even the most basic sanity checks--super simple stuff like what should be the "baseline" deaths to compare to in a nation with a rapidly expanding elderly population. If you can't "do the math" ... your opinion is worthless.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Hypnotoad666, @megabar

    Thanks for engaging, but I sometimes wonder if they are open to reason or if this is yet another lost cause.

    There’s now a giant covid-conspiracy right-wing ecosystem in a way that eugenic natalists and immigration patriots lack. That ecosystem overlaps with a variety of investment scams that use conspiracy talk to justify avoiding index funds and real estate and instead give money to crypto scams. The crypto scams plus the vitamin supplement scams are so profitable, rational voices like Steve’s are overwhelmed.

    By the way, you make too much of a concession in conceding the covid vax may increase non-covid mortality. This is mind blowing when you first discover it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-specific_effect_of_vaccines

    We are discovering that vaccines have more and more positive effects beyond ameliorating a particular infection. The wiki article hasn’t even been updated to note the newest study showing the shingles vaccine reduces dementia. I have seen evidence showing lower non-covid mortality after taking the covid vax, but creating controls is going to be really hard so that’s still unknown.

  158. @Hypnotoad666
    @Pixo


    On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.
     
    If those things are true, they were unintended consequences of the Bad People's agenda. In the annus horribilis of 2020 they really only had one immediate agenda item -- get rid of Trump! Covid and mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.

    It's not a super-coordinated planned out globalist conspiracy. It's just lots of powerful interests striving in the same general direction and sending signals through the media as to what advances the program. There are often flaws and inconsistencies in their crowdsourced and groupthinked (groupthought?) agenda. For example, it's hard to immediately do 180 degree turns on their positions when tactics demand (But they still do -- remember when vaccines were untrustworthy if they helped Trump?)

    On the other hand, the net result of this distributed effort often does look exactly like it was planned by a bunch of super villains sitting around a table at a secret base inside a volcano.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie, that you willing to die in this hill of disinformation despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Because Jews or something.

    But, by all means, please continue being an iSteve content generator on this front. Even he realizes—but dare not admit lest he loses his gravy train—that this “Trump lost because the election was stolen from him” narrative is a sham.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Corvinus

    There’s two actual types of election theft that is ongoing and real but the 2020 Trump Won truthers inexplicably ignore in favor of dumb conspiracies about hacked voting machines.

    First, legal immigrants with driver licenses frequently vote, sometimes without realizing they aren’t allowed to. Low IQ immigrants who arrived as children sometimes don’t realize they aren’t citizens.

    Second, large numbers of citizens obtained their citizenship via fraud and are subject to denaturalization. But the leftists controlling DoJ and Homeland Security wink and nod at citizenship fraud.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Anonymous
    @Corvinus

    If you're implying he writes for his audience rather than that his readers come to him for his content, you'd be definitely wrong. He's not Anglin, nor is everyone whom disagrees with you.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus



    "mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

     

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie
     
    You think "mail-in ballots" are a lie? I didn't say they were fraudulent, just that the Dems believe they favor Dems -- which they 100% believe. But your canned Trump derangement talking points are just spring loaded to launch whenever the election is mentioned.

    By the way, stop talking about "Jews" all the time. It's just creepy.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  159. HA says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    Sorry. I'm not taking your mystery bug-juice that provides no public health benefit beyond savings to Social Security. (It's actually more like an allergy shot). I'm not wearing your sheetrock-hanger's mask either.

    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):

    https://i.imgur.com/iEjyezj.jpg

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @HA, @Truth Vigilante

    “Sorry. I’m not taking your mystery bug-juice…”

    You do what you want, you bad-boy rebel, you. Grow a goatee, ride a Harley, tell the world how much you love Putin — whatever it takes to distract everyone from your under-endowed or saggy anatomy — but I suspect the girlies actually worth having around will be no more impressed by all that than they are by your obvious comb-over or your muscle car.

    And if you don’t want to deal with the mystery-bug-juice, you’re more than free to instead deal with the mystery bugs that nature periodically spits out every century or so. Once the epidemic subsides, it’s your call either way. As noted, the latest data show that the bug juice is significantly less deadly than the bug itself, but feel free to skip the actual science and stick with the Facebook memes, black sheep Kennedys and the anti-vaxx “experts” who only get read because of their lock-step conformity to your prejudices. So much for the so-called rebels.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    LOL. I have about as much need to be a "bad-boy rebel" as a CPA. But I am naturally skeptical of a "vaccine" pushed by an overweening global bureaucracy that has to be taken continually and does not suppress the virus.

    Novel respiratory viruses appear every century or so and evolve into less virulent strains. The vaccines are perennially chasing and pushing them from behind, like the useless flu vaccine. Covid is basically the flu at this point, which we'll all die of once we get old enough. I assume you get your flu shots every six months in addition to the Wuhan jab. You'll still end up dying around age 80 - 82 from an opportunistic respiratory virus that turned into pneumonia.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    As noted, the latest data show that the bug juice is significantly less deadly than the bug itself, but feel free to skip the actual science and stick with the Facebook memes, black sheep Kennedys and the anti-vaxx “experts”.....
     
    I have news for you 'HA', what your second cousin (CDC Director Rochelle Walensky) and Anthony Fauci said during the Covid Psyop, is NOT the 'science'.
    These individuals are PAID LIARS, and only gullible automatons like yourself are unable to see that.
    I suggest you scroll up to my comment # 104 and review the actual objective 'latest data' and see for yourself that, in the case of Australia:

    1) One solitary individual died in the whole country from Covid in the first 6 months of 2021 (ie: a time when very few had taken the jab, as the rollout was many months later than in the U.S)

    2) IMMEDIATELY after a critical threshold of Aussies had taken the clot shots (ie: soon after mid 2021), we had a THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in Covid mortality in the second half of 2021, in comparison to the first half of that year.

    This was also the case in many other countries that, unlike the U.S, were more honest in compiling their Covid mortality statistics.

    Take Taiwan for instance (open the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Taiwan') :

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan/

    As you can see, the number of deaths BEFORE the introduction of the vaxx was negligible - virtually a flat line.
    After the toxic clot shots were introduced, it went ballistic.

    SUMMARY: You are a Clueless Clown 'HA'. I've been watching your commentary and you are among the least informed disinfo peddlers here.

    Tell your Big Pharma benefactors that the UR readers are wise to you.
     

    Replies: @HA

  160. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: For those with a strong stomach, this video posted the Z-Man at Gab shows what the Ukrainians are facing as they approach Russian lines.

    Whether you're on the side of the Ukrainians, Russians or neutral, there was never any doubt that the Ukrainians had no chance of winning this offensive and breaking the Russians lines. The offensive was purely for PR purposes and to keep the West giving Ukraine weapons and money. Guys like this are paying the ultimate price for what amounts to a PR campaign.

    Actually, the most pro-Ukrainian people here should be the most angry when they watch this, assuming you have the guts to. Ukraine should never have launched this offensive. They should have pulled back and made the Russian come to them, which would have allowed them to hit the Russians as they approached. Instead, they insanely attacked fortified lines, which allows the Russians to use their aircraft, drones, artillery - and to force the Ukrainians to walk through mine fields.

    This is murder.

    https://gab.com/TheZBlog/posts/110611872979945111

    Replies: @Lurker, @Mike Tre, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    You are simply shilling Russian propaganda. The primary counter offensive has not yet begun. There have been preliminary Ukrainian efforts to retake their land. We shall see how that goes. Putin can end the war and the murder of Slavs. Regardless, Ukrainian soldiers and citizens are willing to die for their cause—sovereignty.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Corvinus

    Only Ukrainians are willing to die, certainly not the imports. This war for their homeland is a non-issue to the lot of foreign-born and culturally-unconnected citizens of Ukraine, as they're in mass exodus; their national interests end where their economic interests end. Goes to show the loyalty non-natives posess for their host countries.

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @Corvinus

    Curvanus writes:


    The primary counter offensive [by the Judeo-Ukranian regime] has not yet begun.
     
    Oh, you mean the counter offensive with their 14-17 yr old school boys/old men conscript army ? (seeing as the professional Ukrainian army they began the war with has long ago been decimated).

    Corvanus, you're a joke. You're almost as bad as John's Johnson.
    Give up man, your dream of a resurrected Khazaria 2.0 is dead and buried.

    You'll have to get used to the fact that there will be no relocation of your kinfolk from the Apartheid Israeli state to greener pastures.
    The illegal colonial oppressors in Occupied Palestine have probably got a few more years, where they can hold on to that barren wasteland in the Negev Desert.
    Thereafter they'll have to return to their shit-hole shtetls like Krakow Poland, from whence they originally came.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  161. @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Sorry. I’m not taking your mystery bug-juice..."

    You do what you want, you bad-boy rebel, you. Grow a goatee, ride a Harley, tell the world how much you love Putin -- whatever it takes to distract everyone from your under-endowed or saggy anatomy -- but I suspect the girlies actually worth having around will be no more impressed by all that than they are by your obvious comb-over or your muscle car.

    And if you don't want to deal with the mystery-bug-juice, you're more than free to instead deal with the mystery bugs that nature periodically spits out every century or so. Once the epidemic subsides, it's your call either way. As noted, the latest data show that the bug juice is significantly less deadly than the bug itself, but feel free to skip the actual science and stick with the Facebook memes, black sheep Kennedys and the anti-vaxx "experts" who only get read because of their lock-step conformity to your prejudices. So much for the so-called rebels.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Truth Vigilante

    LOL. I have about as much need to be a “bad-boy rebel” as a CPA. But I am naturally skeptical of a “vaccine” pushed by an overweening global bureaucracy that has to be taken continually and does not suppress the virus.

    Novel respiratory viruses appear every century or so and evolve into less virulent strains. The vaccines are perennially chasing and pushing them from behind, like the useless flu vaccine. Covid is basically the flu at this point, which we’ll all die of once we get old enough. I assume you get your flu shots every six months in addition to the Wuhan jab. You’ll still end up dying around age 80 – 82 from an opportunistic respiratory virus that turned into pneumonia.

    • Replies: @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "naturally skeptical of a 'vaccine' pushed by an overweening global bureaucracy that has to be taken continually and does not suppress the virus."

    Ah, shifting the goalposts. Earlier, your idea of a slam-dunk case apparently consisted of buzzwords like "mystery bug juice" and "global bureaucracy" and appeals to jpegs of a guy in goggles and masks. Now you've upgraded to bogus claims about how a vaccine -- which apart from reducing your likelihood of death also decreases the number of days you're symptomatic with COVID -- still doesn't suppress it. That isn't true, by the way; the vaccine is also backed by hard data in addition to being pushed by whatever global bureaucracy overlords reside under your bed and in your dreams. More to. the point, if the time you spend feverish and coughing and sneezing is reduced, then the spread of the virus is thereby suppressed, breakouts notwithstanding. As for "continually", doctors have been prescribing annual flu shots for years (i.e. long before COVID) -- I'll bet the typical CPA's health plan might just cover them at no charge or at least at a reduced rate -- without pathetic little edgelords having to get up on a soap box and tell us that no one will make them continually take the "mystery bug juice", and whatever other buzzwords they think will make them sound tough and cool. So LOL all you want, I'm just telling you your pathetically transparent schtick is not working.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  162. @Reg Cæsar

    The United States and Australia don’t have everything in common
     
    Australian cigarette pack:


    https://content.tobaccotactics.org/legacy/2020/03/Australian_packs.JPG


    American cigarette pack:


    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71ZYRTaTfqL._SX679_PIbundle-2,TopRight,0,0_SX679SY509SH20_.jpg


    Okay, I don't know for sure that the latter are American, but they are available on Amazon, so the pipeline is.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Jiminy

    This reminds me of the musk flavoured cigarette lollies sold here that used to be called “fags”. About a decade ago they had a name change. You can’t have kids sucking on a fag.
    The bizarre thing about Victorians is that they voted their crooked premier back in. Clearly a bad case of Stockholm syndrome.
    But the large numbers of immigrants being fined during covid there comes down to the big C word. Culture. They come to our country but don’t really want to blend in with the rest of the crowd. Can’t read or write English and don’t want to follow rules, so naturally there’s going to be a bit of friction. But the great thing is that while the cops are chasing and bashing the immigrants they’re ignoring the poor old white guy, which is a win-win situation.

  163. Anon[380] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Correction. That came out rather scrambled. It provides no public health benefit and drains Social Security by keeping 80-year old diabetics around for another year.

    Replies: @Anon, @Art Deco

    >80-year old diabetics

    What’s with anti-vaxxers on the internet thinking they’re the healthy ones? The anti-vaxxers I know IRL are slovenly people who weigh 300 pounds, trying and failing to lose it through fad diets. After all, taking health advice from YouTube streamers rather than doctors tends to produce poor outcomes in multiple ways.

    I hope your kids don’t get you euthanized when you’re eighty years old and they want to get their hands on your house a year early.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anon

    What's with anonymous, hissy drive-by's who can't even adopt a handle?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @Anon


    The anti-vaxxers I know .... all, taking health advice from YouTube streamers rather than doctors
     
    Anon, I see you're yet another vaxxed-to-the-maxx moron propagating bald faced lies.

    The doctors advising against the toxic clot shots are the best in their respective fields. ie: people like Dr Peter McCullough, Dr Pierre Kory, Prof Sucharit Bhakdi, Prof Wolfgang Wodarg, Prof John Ioannides (Stanford), Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, Yale's School of Public Health Prof Harvey Risch, the internationally acclaimed Dr Vernon Coleman, to name just a handful among many.

    Let's have a closer look at Peter McCullough's resume, by way of example:


    Professor at Texas A & M College of Medicine, President, Cardiorenal Society of America, Editor-in-Chief, Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, Senior Associate Editor, American Journal of Cardiology and others.

    He has written 46 peer-reviewed publications on COVID-19 and is considered among the world’s EXPERTS on the topic, testifying in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in November 2020, and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, in the Colorado General Assembly, and in the New Hampshire Senate, concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.

    He’s an epidemiologist and in those fields he specialises in (Cardio/Renal), he is the most published medical professional in the world, in HISTORY.
     
    Let's hear what a Nobel Laureate had to say about the correlation between the clot shots and mortality:

    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1638663681523.jpg

    SUMMARY: Meanwhile, someone like RFK Jr may be a lawyer, but never lose sight of the fact that he's just the MESSENGER.
    And in that capacity he is conveying the findings of the VERY BEST infectious disease epidemiologists, virologists and such on the planet.

    When RFK Jr speaks of the danger of the clot shots, he didn't conjure up those beliefs from a bad dream he had.

    Everything he says is based on the most objective peer reviewed science.
    You can take that to the bank.
     

    Replies: @Anon

  164. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    Vancouver had been dubbed HongCouver long ago, TTTT. No, they are not physically destructive. Though not as friendly, in my locale, as your natives, they are easy to get along with.

    The problem is in the numbers. 1% Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/etc. people assimilated well into American society, or at some point even 5% is not a big problem. However, in large numbers, people a) have no reason to assimilate* and b) They import a whole 'nother culture. Along with that come the problems, like the CCP having police stations or having civil wars due to the importation of Sunnis and Shites. Who the hell needs that? Who the hell asked for that?

    Even if the Aussies and Canadians, so proud of picking the best people, did pick the "right" people, they'd still be changing their countries (barring Englishmen/Americans/White S. Africans only - even then, it'd be a slight change). Were the Australian people and the Canadian people asked about their preference about this?

    I don't mean to sound like I'm arguing against you, TTTT. I just follow the whole immigration invasion thing very closely - VDare reader for about 2 decades.
    .

    * I'd do the same. Were I to pull a Fred Reed and high-tail it to a gated community in Ole Mexico (Uruguay'd be my choice), I'm sure I would rather hang out with American ex-pats and live like an American as much as possible.

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    I agree with you on the restriction of immigration, regardless of where they are coming from. We need a moratorium and a return to sender policy. If we must slit our own throats with imports, I’d rather eat sushi than the pavement. I feel the same for all western countries, get the invaders out.

    I don’t believe foreign countries, in general, should own property in America; I’ve heard rumors about “some foreign company” buying up major utility companies in Texas and elsewhere. I have no idea if it’s true, but if it’s bad for America, I’m sure it’s happening. Strange things are occurring all over the place. How about chemtrails? Really? I laugh, and then we have a small overnight rain shower, and the next day, every bit of algae in my bird baths and wildlife water bowls is gone. No trace of algae whatsoever. I tried to accomplish that feat with bleach and scrubbers, but to no avail. I think this is odd. Everyone thinks I’m crazy.

    It’s obvious that average citizens do not really get to decide anything for themselves. Fortunately, those in charge may have just overplayed their hand. I don’t know how you really feel about Trump, but because of his blasting away at CNN, et al, I went from suspecting the media was biased to knowing they are the most dangerous enemy we face, just slightly ahead of the Blacks!

    Soldier on!

  165. HA says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    LOL. I have about as much need to be a "bad-boy rebel" as a CPA. But I am naturally skeptical of a "vaccine" pushed by an overweening global bureaucracy that has to be taken continually and does not suppress the virus.

    Novel respiratory viruses appear every century or so and evolve into less virulent strains. The vaccines are perennially chasing and pushing them from behind, like the useless flu vaccine. Covid is basically the flu at this point, which we'll all die of once we get old enough. I assume you get your flu shots every six months in addition to the Wuhan jab. You'll still end up dying around age 80 - 82 from an opportunistic respiratory virus that turned into pneumonia.

    Replies: @HA

    “naturally skeptical of a ‘vaccine’ pushed by an overweening global bureaucracy that has to be taken continually and does not suppress the virus.”

    Ah, shifting the goalposts. Earlier, your idea of a slam-dunk case apparently consisted of buzzwords like “mystery bug juice” and “global bureaucracy” and appeals to jpegs of a guy in goggles and masks. Now you’ve upgraded to bogus claims about how a vaccine — which apart from reducing your likelihood of death also decreases the number of days you’re symptomatic with COVID — still doesn’t suppress it. That isn’t true, by the way; the vaccine is also backed by hard data in addition to being pushed by whatever global bureaucracy overlords reside under your bed and in your dreams. More to. the point, if the time you spend feverish and coughing and sneezing is reduced, then the spread of the virus is thereby suppressed, breakouts notwithstanding. As for “continually”, doctors have been prescribing annual flu shots for years (i.e. long before COVID) — I’ll bet the typical CPA’s health plan might just cover them at no charge or at least at a reduced rate — without pathetic little edgelords having to get up on a soap box and tell us that no one will make them continually take the “mystery bug juice”, and whatever other buzzwords they think will make them sound tough and cool. So LOL all you want, I’m just telling you your pathetically transparent schtick is not working.

    • Troll: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    The problem for Team Vax is they can't point to a big pile of young, otherwise healthy dead bodies and say "Unvaxed," nor simultaneously point to a bunch of robust 80-year olds swinging for the fences and say "Vaxed." The tranche of old, fat, immuno-compromised people getting a temporary antibiotic (dependent) wake-up call from the shot who might otherwise die that year instead of the next year is just too small. From a public health perspective it's just not very effective. Again, we'd probably get the same results just banning corn syrup or making everybody lose 20 pounds. Between the bug juice and diet and exercise, I'll just do diet and exercise. It is obviously horribly frustrating to you that I and millions of others who never bothered with your precious vax are still around.

    Replies: @HA

  166. @Anonymous

    Spate of mass brawls at German outdoor swimming pools

    ... Some of the comments, blaming "social hotspots" or so-called "clans", appear tinged with racism: both are code words for immigrant groups.
     
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65985004

    Replies: @Robertson, @Moses

    Some of the comments, blaming “social hotspots” or so-called “clans”, appear tinged with racism: both are code words for immigrant groups.

    Lol noticing is racist.

  167. @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "naturally skeptical of a 'vaccine' pushed by an overweening global bureaucracy that has to be taken continually and does not suppress the virus."

    Ah, shifting the goalposts. Earlier, your idea of a slam-dunk case apparently consisted of buzzwords like "mystery bug juice" and "global bureaucracy" and appeals to jpegs of a guy in goggles and masks. Now you've upgraded to bogus claims about how a vaccine -- which apart from reducing your likelihood of death also decreases the number of days you're symptomatic with COVID -- still doesn't suppress it. That isn't true, by the way; the vaccine is also backed by hard data in addition to being pushed by whatever global bureaucracy overlords reside under your bed and in your dreams. More to. the point, if the time you spend feverish and coughing and sneezing is reduced, then the spread of the virus is thereby suppressed, breakouts notwithstanding. As for "continually", doctors have been prescribing annual flu shots for years (i.e. long before COVID) -- I'll bet the typical CPA's health plan might just cover them at no charge or at least at a reduced rate -- without pathetic little edgelords having to get up on a soap box and tell us that no one will make them continually take the "mystery bug juice", and whatever other buzzwords they think will make them sound tough and cool. So LOL all you want, I'm just telling you your pathetically transparent schtick is not working.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    The problem for Team Vax is they can’t point to a big pile of young, otherwise healthy dead bodies and say “Unvaxed,” nor simultaneously point to a bunch of robust 80-year olds swinging for the fences and say “Vaxed.” The tranche of old, fat, immuno-compromised people getting a temporary antibiotic (dependent) wake-up call from the shot who might otherwise die that year instead of the next year is just too small. From a public health perspective it’s just not very effective. Again, we’d probably get the same results just banning corn syrup or making everybody lose 20 pounds. Between the bug juice and diet and exercise, I’ll just do diet and exercise. It is obviously horribly frustrating to you that I and millions of others who never bothered with your precious vax are still around.

    • Replies: @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "The problem for Team Vax is they can’t point to a big pile of young, otherwise healthy dead bodies and say 'Unvaxed,' nor simultaneously point to a bunch of robust 80-year olds swinging for the fences and say 'Vaxed.'”

    I'm not sure even you know what that last sentence of gobbledygook actually means. In any case, what they CAN do is record mortality with similar ages with similar health-sheets -- i.e. compare 40-50 year-old UNvaccinated smokers with 40-50 year-old vaccinated smokers and compile the death rates accordingly. It's not that hard, conceptually, and big piles of dead or undead bodies are not in any way essential. That cohort-by-cohort comparison is how that Yale University study was compiled. That's also more or less how drug trials work. As I recall, it was actually the anti-vaxxers who liked to play the game of mixing unvaccinated 30-year-olds in with vaccinated 80-year-olds -- as seen in, say, a London emergency room -- and then assert that the vaccines "obviously don't work".

    The number of individuals in those suitably-binned drug trials was actually pretty vast, and given the billions of doses of the vaccine that have been administered over the last year or more, they've even been able to do comparisons on very rare second-order side-effects (e.g. myocarditis risk after COVID vs. myocarditis risk after the vaccine). Sadly, none of it makes the nothingburger crowd look good, though that hasn't stopped them from repeatedly coming around and insisting Sailer needs to apologize because "we were right all along". Researchers were even able to determine -- though it admittedly took a while -- that ivermectin's efficacy against COVID is minimal (unless a given patient's immune system is weakened by the parasites that cause river blindness or some related stress load).

    I submit that your use of dumb buzzwords and jpegs -- i.e., outrage tactics and other such hysterics -- bespeaks an overall lack of any substance to your claims, despite the fact that people like Alex Bernstein are probably still trying to squeeze a Substack buck out a living giving the anti-vaxxers exactly what they want to hear, though clearly, at this point, even they can't be bothered to look any of that up.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  168. @Nachum
    I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It's like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.

    (The KKK barely ever existed in *American* history- basically 1866-1868 and then in a very different form from about 1915-1930, and not since. For some reason lefties get *very* angry when this historical fact is brought up.)

    Replies: @J.Ross, @tyrone, @fnn, @Corpse Tooth, @Dr. X, @Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    “I still remember some Australian lefty screaming about the influence of the KKK in his country. It’s like lefties worldwide have to rip off the US for everything.”

    Don’t worry. “Scholars” and “experts” will invent a contemporary Aussie counterpart to the Klan (led by Pauline Hanson), and fabricate a history for it.

    For 60 years in America, members of the racial socialist alliance have fabricated a “White supremacist” history, sociology, and journalism. I’m sure their Aussie allies are capable of the same work.

  169. @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    “mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie, that you willing to die in this hill of disinformation despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Because Jews or something.

    But, by all means, please continue being an iSteve content generator on this front. Even he realizes—but dare not admit lest he loses his gravy train—that this “Trump lost because the election was stolen from him” narrative is a sham.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666

    There’s two actual types of election theft that is ongoing and real but the 2020 Trump Won truthers inexplicably ignore in favor of dumb conspiracies about hacked voting machines.

    First, legal immigrants with driver licenses frequently vote, sometimes without realizing they aren’t allowed to. Low IQ immigrants who arrived as children sometimes don’t realize they aren’t citizens.

    Second, large numbers of citizens obtained their citizenship via fraud and are subject to denaturalization. But the leftists controlling DoJ and Homeland Security wink and nod at citizenship fraud.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Pixo

    “but the 2020 Trump Won truthers inexplicably ignore in favor of dumb conspiracies about hacked voting machines”

    Lol, this is what Trump himself and his team of lawyers pushed for, and that a good deal of MAGA heads still believe. Is it fair to say then that Trump is a liar in this regard?

    “First, legal immigrants with driver licenses frequently vote, sometimes without realizing they aren’t allowed to.”

    Citations required.

    “Second, large numbers of citizens obtained their citizenship via fraud and are subject to denaturalization. But the leftists controlling DoJ and Homeland Security wink and nod at citizenship fraud.”

    Citations required.

    Now, how exactly did these two types of election theft lead to Trump losing? I imagine you have sources that back up your assertion, right?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Pixo

  170. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anon

    They're not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet and can't balance risk-return because they're just getting free money from Uncle Sugar.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Anon

    “They’re not smarter; they have a narrow technical skillet”

    Lol. Bet you a dollar this commenter went to trade school.

  171. @Pixo
    @Corvinus

    There’s two actual types of election theft that is ongoing and real but the 2020 Trump Won truthers inexplicably ignore in favor of dumb conspiracies about hacked voting machines.

    First, legal immigrants with driver licenses frequently vote, sometimes without realizing they aren’t allowed to. Low IQ immigrants who arrived as children sometimes don’t realize they aren’t citizens.

    Second, large numbers of citizens obtained their citizenship via fraud and are subject to denaturalization. But the leftists controlling DoJ and Homeland Security wink and nod at citizenship fraud.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “but the 2020 Trump Won truthers inexplicably ignore in favor of dumb conspiracies about hacked voting machines”

    Lol, this is what Trump himself and his team of lawyers pushed for, and that a good deal of MAGA heads still believe. Is it fair to say then that Trump is a liar in this regard?

    “First, legal immigrants with driver licenses frequently vote, sometimes without realizing they aren’t allowed to.”

    Citations required.

    “Second, large numbers of citizens obtained their citizenship via fraud and are subject to denaturalization. But the leftists controlling DoJ and Homeland Security wink and nod at citizenship fraud.”

    Citations required.

    Now, how exactly did these two types of election theft lead to Trump losing? I imagine you have sources that back up your assertion, right?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Corvinus

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/195566f6ed6f57750865d781a0915b4dbe3ee8feff82b59a71f38fa72de1e5af_1.jpg

    , @Pixo
    @Corvinus

    “ Is it fair to say then that Trump is a liar in this regard?”

    Obviously.

    “Now, how exactly did these two types of election theft lead to Trump losing?”

    They probably didn’t, as they are concentrated in states with no voter ID and large immigrant populations. So not Wisconsin, NH, and Michigan.

    If non-citizen migrants are 25% of the voting age population and 5% of them vote, and turnout among citizens is 50%, that means non citizens cast more than 3% of votes, and probably a net 2% for Democrats. More than enough to swing many close elections in AZ, NV, CO, WA, and suburban areas of CA where the GOP is still competitive.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  172. @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excess deaths have become insignificant since January 2023.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    Simple arithmetic over absolute numbers can't be used since the 1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging and the leading edge is approaching life expectancy (79 years). Deaths will dramatically increase during 2025 - 2045.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hypnotoad666, @Art Deco

    Excess deaths have become insignificant since January 2023.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    I am not saying this study is necessarily wrong or that declining excess deaths prove or disprove anything about the vax.

    But, as a general proposition, I just want to point out that using CDC “studies” to prove that the CDC was right about anything is not valid. The CDC has proven that it is biased and politicized and will engage in any manner of obfuscation, outright lies, or statistical malpractice to cover its ass.

    What needs to happen is for all raw data to be released publicly so actual smart people without a conflict of interest and political agenda can analyze it. (And also let the partisans on each side spin away on the raw data, too). The fact they won’t allow this is telling by itself.

  173. @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "So what you are saying is that (non-covid) excess deaths declined after people stopped taking the vaccine."

    No. Try and keep up. There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics. That's just you piling on your wishful-thinking. The whole point of focusing on excess death stats in the first place was to get past the just-a-flu-bro accusations about how the alarming bump in ALL deaths was solely due to motorcycle accidents being wrongly classified as COVID complications in the pathologists' cause-of-death reports, and games with PCR thresholds, etc. Your memory seems unduly spotty -- long COVID, maybe?

    Comparisons between vaxxed and unvaxxed individuals still show that that the former do less dying than the latter, but some of that is undoubtedly due to the fact that the latter cohort includes people not particularly concerned about their health in the first place, as well as those stricken with the potentially fatal flaw of being anti-vaxx idiots.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    No. Try and keep up. There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics. That’s just you piling on your wishful-thinking.

    It’s interesting that your level of certainty always correlates perfectly with your level of being wrong. Here’s an excerpt from the CDC study linked by epebble.

    Counts of deaths from all causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented. As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to the COVID-19 pandemic (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems). https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    • Replies: @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "It’s interesting that your level of certainty always correlates perfectly with your level of being wrong."

    Apparently, you didn't bother to read what you blockquoted. Here, I'll help you out by reposting the first sentence with some helpful highlighting:


    Counts of deaths from ALL causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented.
     
    That tallies with my claim that "There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics." I.e. ALL the deaths, COVID and otherwise, are lumped into the numbers tabulated by AnotherDad that you took issue with and the graph that epebble helpfully linked to and Steve Sailer commented about, and then I and you. That's all I was trying to say. Got it? The statistics being referenced were those in the graph. It's really not that hard -- is your memory really that spotty?

    Let's move on to the second sentence:


    As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be [misclassified] (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted.
     
    I.e. the excess death stats are helpful primarily in that they're not affected by misclassifications of the death into COVID and non-COVID, since either way, the deaths go into that graphs. Again, it's not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be. Obviously, the above paragraph is more concerned by undercounting COVID than by overcounting, but focusing on the total excess deaths helps us navigate between both errors.

    No one is denying that the CDC and other such agencies also break out the death tolls by age and cause-of-death and all sorts of other bins, but that's not the graph we're talking about here (and despite your playing dumb, I suspect even you know that).

    Given your spotty memory, let me remind you that it was the just-a-flu-bros (especially the poor hapless Hail) who were the first around here to make a big deal out of these excess death graphs right before those spikes showed up. Ouch! And oh boy, did they ever show up. I.e., some spectacularly bad timing there, at which point the just-a-flu-bros had to spend the rest of the epidemic insisting those huge spikes were really no big deal, and don't anyone let your lying eyes tell you anything different.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  174. @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Excess deaths have become insignificant since January 2023.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    Simple arithmetic over absolute numbers can't be used since the 1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging and the leading edge is approaching life expectancy (79 years). Deaths will dramatically increase during 2025 - 2045.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hypnotoad666, @Art Deco

    Someone 77 years of age has a life expectancy of about 10 years, ceteris paribus.
    ==
    1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging
    ==
    No one is aging any more rapidly than anyone else.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Art Deco

    Many people feel time is lapsing faster towards their end of life. Generally, young people don't say things like "I can't believe it has been ten years since .....", or "how fast three years have gone".

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  175. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @kaganovitch

    Hahaha! I had to read that one three times. Also sure a geek somewhere has put together a narrow, technical skillet.

    Seriously, in all these debates over GOF research nobody seems to recall that we already have precedent for a government scientist releasing weaponized anthrax to get more funding and status for his department.

    Would ideological partisans within the bureaucracy and its patronage networks use NBC weapons on deplorables? Of course they would. If you're an ideologue whose opponents are #literallyHitler, killing meemaw, destroying the planet, you'll go all-out Twelve Monkeys.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    nobody seems to recall that we already have precedent for a government scientist releasing weaponized anthrax to get more funding and status for his department.
    ==
    So the FBI claimed after his death. That’s after they slimed Dr. Stephen Hatfill.

  176. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Correction. That came out rather scrambled. It provides no public health benefit and drains Social Security by keeping 80-year old diabetics around for another year.

    Replies: @Anon, @Art Deco

    and drains Social Security by keeping 80-year old diabetics around for another year.
    ==
    I’m going to advise your children to just call the dump truck when you expire.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    That's not even an insult or retort. We're all going to die around age 80; what happens to our corpse is utterly immaterial--it's not You and the party is going on without you; and the notion that we are entitled to unlimited public funds or our soon-to-be heir's funds to infinitessimally postpone our inevitable death is warped.

    Replies: @Ennui

  177. HA says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    The problem for Team Vax is they can't point to a big pile of young, otherwise healthy dead bodies and say "Unvaxed," nor simultaneously point to a bunch of robust 80-year olds swinging for the fences and say "Vaxed." The tranche of old, fat, immuno-compromised people getting a temporary antibiotic (dependent) wake-up call from the shot who might otherwise die that year instead of the next year is just too small. From a public health perspective it's just not very effective. Again, we'd probably get the same results just banning corn syrup or making everybody lose 20 pounds. Between the bug juice and diet and exercise, I'll just do diet and exercise. It is obviously horribly frustrating to you that I and millions of others who never bothered with your precious vax are still around.

    Replies: @HA

    “The problem for Team Vax is they can’t point to a big pile of young, otherwise healthy dead bodies and say ‘Unvaxed,’ nor simultaneously point to a bunch of robust 80-year olds swinging for the fences and say ‘Vaxed.’”

    I’m not sure even you know what that last sentence of gobbledygook actually means. In any case, what they CAN do is record mortality with similar ages with similar health-sheets — i.e. compare 40-50 year-old UNvaccinated smokers with 40-50 year-old vaccinated smokers and compile the death rates accordingly. It’s not that hard, conceptually, and big piles of dead or undead bodies are not in any way essential. That cohort-by-cohort comparison is how that Yale University study was compiled. That’s also more or less how drug trials work. As I recall, it was actually the anti-vaxxers who liked to play the game of mixing unvaccinated 30-year-olds in with vaccinated 80-year-olds — as seen in, say, a London emergency room — and then assert that the vaccines “obviously don’t work”.

    The number of individuals in those suitably-binned drug trials was actually pretty vast, and given the billions of doses of the vaccine that have been administered over the last year or more, they’ve even been able to do comparisons on very rare second-order side-effects (e.g. myocarditis risk after COVID vs. myocarditis risk after the vaccine). Sadly, none of it makes the nothingburger crowd look good, though that hasn’t stopped them from repeatedly coming around and insisting Sailer needs to apologize because “we were right all along”. Researchers were even able to determine — though it admittedly took a while — that ivermectin’s efficacy against COVID is minimal (unless a given patient’s immune system is weakened by the parasites that cause river blindness or some related stress load).

    I submit that your use of dumb buzzwords and jpegs — i.e., outrage tactics and other such hysterics — bespeaks an overall lack of any substance to your claims, despite the fact that people like Alex Bernstein are probably still trying to squeeze a Substack buck out a living giving the anti-vaxxers exactly what they want to hear, though clearly, at this point, even they can’t be bothered to look any of that up.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    You've got to give it up about this vaccine, man! Everyone else has. Within the last 6 months, most foreign countries have dropped any kind of requirements to show proof of vaccination to enter. Big Business has given up trying to force employees to take the shots.

    Why? It's because too many people have too many personal reasons, whether paranoid, as you seem to think, or from evidence (such as I based on the one family member who took it) to avoid this stuff. As a general, mandatory program, well, it didn't take. That's it.

    At this point, governments, businesses, universities, etc. have just quietly backed off like Homer Simpson into the bushes. They don't talk about it, because it's a sore point for a lot of people, and then there have been lawsuits for back-pay too.

    Nobody buys this stupidity anymore. We won. You lost. Give it up, HA.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

  178. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You are simply shilling Russian propaganda. The primary counter offensive has not yet begun. There have been preliminary Ukrainian efforts to retake their land. We shall see how that goes. Putin can end the war and the murder of Slavs. Regardless, Ukrainian soldiers and citizens are willing to die for their cause—sovereignty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Truth Vigilante

    Only Ukrainians are willing to die, certainly not the imports. This war for their homeland is a non-issue to the lot of foreign-born and culturally-unconnected citizens of Ukraine, as they’re in mass exodus; their national interests end where their economic interests end. Goes to show the loyalty non-natives posess for their host countries.

  179. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    “mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie, that you willing to die in this hill of disinformation despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Because Jews or something.

    But, by all means, please continue being an iSteve content generator on this front. Even he realizes—but dare not admit lest he loses his gravy train—that this “Trump lost because the election was stolen from him” narrative is a sham.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666

    If you’re implying he writes for his audience rather than that his readers come to him for his content, you’d be definitely wrong. He’s not Anglin, nor is everyone whom disagrees with you.

  180. @Robertson
    @tyrone

    Did you see that LibertyDaily video of some Proud Boys beating up 3 Patriot Front feds yesterday?

    Adam Kinzinger slipped up with a "Freudian-tweet" and complained about the Proud Boys "assaulting Federal officers", a mistaken admission of who Patriot Front is (obvious Feds).

    Decent governments don't do Agents Provacateur. We no longer have a decent government.

    Replies: @Anon, @Nachum

    Back when Farrakhan had his Million Man March on DC, Mad Magazine ran a feature called “Behind the Scenes at the Million Man March” identifying each subgroup: “12,412 blind Klansman who think they’re at a white supremacy rally” “4,275 bowtie salesmen who can’t unload those red clip-on models anywhere else” “52,511 rappers taking a day off from singing about popping cops and slapping hos to celebrate non-violence and respect for women” and so on. The kicker came at the very end: “123,242 undercover FBI agents.”

    I guess we’re Allowed To Notice when it’s done to a black group.

    You may remember back in 1995 Israel’s (sort of) lefty prime minister was assassinated by a right-winger. The Israeli left loved every minute of it. They *still* won’t stop talking about it, and blaming the right.

    Very soon after the assassination an uncomfortable fact came out: The shooter, you see, had been part of an extreme right-wing group no one in Israel, including the extreme right, had ever heard of. In fact, some extreme right-wing leaders remembered throwing the shooter out of their groups for being too crazy. And then came the truth: The group had been entirely created by a government agent provocateur working for Israel’s FBI who apparently had been tasked with setting up such a group and getting someone to plot the assassination of the prime minister. Presumably at that point, the agents would have swept in, arrested him, and made huge political hay out of the “vast right-wing conspiracy” to kill the PM. (At the moment the PM is shot you can hear his guards on the tape yelling, “Blanks! Blanks!” as if they were expecting a show.) Except the agent encouraged the assassin a bit *too* enthusiastically and the guy acted a bit *too* early and you had one dead PM. (Conspiracy theorists claim that was the plan all along, but that’s another story.)

    Well, the whole thing was so completely and immediately memory-holed you just have to marvel at the concept of a lapdog, biased media. To even mention the *name* of the agent- which everyone knew- is to this day considered extreme bad taste in Israel, as if you’re excusing the murder of the sainted PM. The assassin went to jail for life; his brother either for life or a long time, and a bunch of people whose only crime was knowing him got locked up too. The agent was put on trial, presented as his defense that he was doing his job, and walked, like everyone knew he would. A few weeks ago he was finally, after decades, interviewed on TV, and given the most softball questions you can imagine.

    A few years ago, for the twenty-fifth anniversary, one of the Israeli satirical shows did a bunch of sketches on the assassination. One dealt with the “plan” behind the agent provocateur: “So, uh, you set up your cell.” “Got it.” “And then, uh, you try to kill the prime minister.” “Kill the prime minister, got it.” “No, you *try* to.” “I think I get it…and then?” “And, uh, that’s it.” “So I just kill him.” “No, *try* to!” “Just kidding.”

    Anyway, the first comment on the video was some kid who had to have been born after the assassination: “What the f***, I just looked this up and IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!” The kid probably had the assassination pounded into his head in school. Of course they never mentioned this detail.

    • Thanks: Robertson
  181. HA says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @HA


    No. Try and keep up. There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics. That’s just you piling on your wishful-thinking.
     
    It's interesting that your level of certainty always correlates perfectly with your level of being wrong. Here's an excerpt from the CDC study linked by epebble.

    Counts of deaths from all causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented. As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to the COVID-19 pandemic (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems). https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
     

    Replies: @HA

    “It’s interesting that your level of certainty always correlates perfectly with your level of being wrong.”

    Apparently, you didn’t bother to read what you blockquoted. Here, I’ll help you out by reposting the first sentence with some helpful highlighting:

    Counts of deaths from ALL causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented.

    That tallies with my claim that “There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics.” I.e. ALL the deaths, COVID and otherwise, are lumped into the numbers tabulated by AnotherDad that you took issue with and the graph that epebble helpfully linked to and Steve Sailer commented about, and then I and you. That’s all I was trying to say. Got it? The statistics being referenced were those in the graph. It’s really not that hard — is your memory really that spotty?

    Let’s move on to the second sentence:

    As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be [misclassified] (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted.

    I.e. the excess death stats are helpful primarily in that they’re not affected by misclassifications of the death into COVID and non-COVID, since either way, the deaths go into that graphs. Again, it’s not nearly as hard as you’re making it out to be. Obviously, the above paragraph is more concerned by undercounting COVID than by overcounting, but focusing on the total excess deaths helps us navigate between both errors.

    No one is denying that the CDC and other such agencies also break out the death tolls by age and cause-of-death and all sorts of other bins, but that’s not the graph we’re talking about here (and despite your playing dumb, I suspect even you know that).

    Given your spotty memory, let me remind you that it was the just-a-flu-bros (especially the poor hapless Hail) who were the first around here to make a big deal out of these excess death graphs right before those spikes showed up. Ouch! And oh boy, did they ever show up. I.e., some spectacularly bad timing there, at which point the just-a-flu-bros had to spend the rest of the epidemic insisting those huge spikes were really no big deal, and don’t anyone let your lying eyes tell you anything different.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    Dude. You said excess deaths aren't broken down by covid vs non-covid causes. And they are. Take the "L" and move on.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  182. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline.
     
    No, they are not.

    I just laid the numbers out for you in a way any intelligent 6th grader ought to be able to grasp ... but then you parrot this bogus--completely bogus--idea that American deaths should be the same as in 2018-2019. That's just utter nonsense for reasons that are both a) obvious and b) that I just explained.

    The birth cohorts in the late 50s where about 4 million. In addtion we've had massive immigration bringing in more people--in those ages and spread through the adult cohorts. There are 330 million+ people. You can do some simple back of the envelope and realize that US deaths must--well baring some crazy breakthrough in life extension--rise to 4 million+ a year over the next couple decades. 2018/19 is not some "baseline" for all time. It's not even a "baseline" for 2022.

    Here's are some back of the envelope, but reasonable baselines--for the last few years, just projecting what was going on:
    2020 -- 2,90o,000
    2021 -- 2,955,000
    2022 -- 3,010,000

    2020 -- 480K excess deaths
    2021 -- 500K excess deaths
    2022 -- 260K excess deaths

    Anyone telling you there are 15% excess deaths now--which there indeed were during 2020-21--is perpetrating a fraud.

    And no covid is not "over". It had dialed way back but is still killing lots of extra people. (The CDC lists 244K, though some of those will of course not be covid deaths but other issues were covid was merely an aggravating factor or simply around.) And until some further medical breakthrough covid is never going to be "over". Just like the flu is never "over".

    The 2022 excess? Spitballing:
    #1 -- the majority: covid deaths, old/sickly folks pushed over the edge by covid infection
    #2 -- deaths from worse health due to previous covid infection and/or the vax
    #3 -- deaths from just generally shittier life in the USA post-pandemic/St.George OD; more drug use/overdoses, more obesity, more traffic accidents, more murders, more alienation

    This is not complicated. We--well Fauci and Daszak and the Bat girl--introduced a new pathogen, which has probably peeled back a couple of years of life expectancy (from the roughly 10 year gain during my lifetime).


    Note: I don't at all discount the covid vax causing some of this. It almost certainly is. (My default "common sense" take: vax is bad, covid infection is worse. One hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins. The other hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins ... on viruses that then go and hijack more of your cells to make more spike proteins on viruses which hijack more of your cells. ...)

    Vaccines are basically almost always "bad for you". People take them to mitigate something that is even worse for you. (They did crazy innoculation/exposure in the old days that had results like 2% death rate ... because they were facing things like smallpox or yellow fever that would kill 15-30%.)

    But ... you have to show that the vax is in the net negative. (Or that there's some compelling scientific reason for it to be worse than infection.) I.e. that people getting vaxed is worse for them. And that does not mean "more vaxed people" or "relatively more vaxxed people" dying. We know vaccination--quite reasonably--skews old/less-healthy. It has to be age and health status adjusted data that shows vaccination is worse than not. And even then ... you want to compare both people who then got covid and those who did not. I.e. we assume getting the vax is worse for you than not ... if you don't get covid. But we assume everyone will eventually be exposed, so the real issue is the full life cycle. (At least in 2021, getting the vax was highly beneficial. People who did not had a far higher hospitalization and death rates.) But whether that is still the case? Do not know. It could be that the vax is sufficiently worthless against current covid, that the lives saved in 2021, and being cancelled out by lives lost down the road from a now worthless vaccine. All this requires carefully parsing through the data.

    But most of the "it's the vax!" people fail even the most basic sanity checks--super simple stuff like what should be the "baseline" deaths to compare to in a nation with a rapidly expanding elderly population. If you can't "do the math" ... your opinion is worthless.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Hypnotoad666, @megabar

    I made the exact same argument about aging cohorts etc. 3 years ago to say the excess deaths being attributed to covid were overblown. But no one was having it. So if the Party Line wants to use it now, they have to also subtract from the previous overcounting of alleged covid deaths.

    In any event, it’s easy to account for the changing demography you are talking about if you have the raw data. All you do is separately calculate excess death rates per each cohort. For example, what was the death rate for each age in 2019. (0-1 yrs old, 1-2 yrs old . . . 99-100 yrs old). How does that compare to 2022 and 2023? Easy peasy if you have the raw data.

    Likewise, we could settle the vax argument right now if we compared the raw data of who got vax shots and who didn’t and ceteris paribus, looked at whether the vax increased or decreased mortality. Also, easy peasy, but only IF YOU HAVE THE RAW DATA!!

    You do a thorough, good faith analysis of what facts are available, so this isn’t directed at you. But I’m sick of the retards who’s only go-to argument is “you don’t have the data to prove the government is wrong!” When the only reason that is true is because the government holds all the data and only releases and spins whatever information supports its narrative.

    Personally, I think they are withholding and covering up the raw vax and mortality data for the same reason they withheld and covered up their GOF research and lab leak — i.e., to cover their ass. Maybe I’m a cynic, and the lab leak is the only item that they’d ever be willing to cover up. But why aren’t the government lovers with blind faith at least willing to silence the crazy “anti-vaxxers” by releasing the data to prove they are crazy? Why not indulge the poor benighted fools whose philosophy is “Trust, but Verify?”

    • Replies: @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "using CDC 'studies' to prove that the CDC was right about anything is not valid. The CDC has proven that it is biased and politicized and will engage in any manner of obfuscation, outright lies, or statistical malpractice"

    I'd wager that the actual numbers that they compile are far more valid than your evidence-free uncited assertions about how some "mysterious 'excess death' phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway)."

    Guess what obfuscating, outright-lying drone made that assertion? I know your just-a-flu-bro memory is probably shot to pieces, so let me give you a hint: They've traced the call and it's coming from inside your house.

    If you have some actual evidence that the CDC -- whose excess graph stats dovetail nicely with the ones compiled by European agencies, for what it's worth -- is colluding in the task of misplacing "millions of people all over world", especially given the significant uptick in deaths over the last two years or more, produce some evidence -- i.e. back it up with something other than empty assertions. (I'd also avoid lame buzzwords like 'mystery-bug-juice' and random jpegs of mask-wearing airline passengers -- that was tried once already, and it was an embarrassing swing-and-a-miss, but it's your call.)

    "Also, easy peasy, but only IF YOU HAVE THE RAW DATA!!"

    Which the government helpfully provides:


    Download datasets in CSV format by clicking on the link for the desired dataset under “CSV Format” link. Additional file formats are available for download for each dataset at Data.CDC.Go
     
    You were saying? Keep in mind Sailer's admonition about how the last 10 weeks or so do tend to be undercounts -- some of the local offices are sluggish in their reports, but as I recall (though it has been a while), the counts tally up nicely, and while I defy anyone to check every single cell in the spreadsheet, you can spot check a few, since a number of cities publish their own data. If some hidden hand is scraping off a few here and there to the extent that it amounts to millions being undercounted only after the epidemic subsided (obviously, the just-a-flu-bros don't care a whit about deaths being undercounted during the actual epidemic), again, the onus is on you to provide more than source-free assertions.

    "You said excess deaths aren’t broken down by covid vs non-covid causes. And they are."

    Wow. Let's try this another away. If the graphs/tables that epebble and AnotherDad referred to were broken down by covid vs non-covid, that would necessitate TWO graphs and TWO tables, would it not? So, ask yourself: why did epebble and AnotherDad both present you with just one? Was it just the covid numbers that they provided, or the non-covid? Was it not -- wait for it -- rather the LUMP SUM of the two? Again, I leave you with what you yourself cited: "Counts of deaths from ALL causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented." I.e., no breakouts in either that graph or that table. Regardless of whether it's a covid death or not, it goes into that lump some graph/table.

    If this is really hard for you to grasp, well, it explains pretty much the totality of the rest of your output here. If that still doesn't get the point across, try and get your mom or your "helper" to act it out with construction paper and glitter and dried macaroni and Elmer's glue.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hypnotoad666


    All you do is separately calculate excess death rates per each cohort. For example, what was the death rate for each age in 2019. (0-1 yrs old, 1-2 yrs old . . . 99-100 yrs old). How does that compare to 2022 and 2023? Easy peasy if you have the raw data.
     
    The Census Bureau has the population numbers in 5-year wide buckets, Hypno, and the CDC (yeah, I know) has the years' mortality rates given in 10-year buckets. Over 2 years ago, in Hey, what's the deal with excess deaths, anyway?, Peak Stupidity did some calculations using a spreadsheet to come up with the base curve that excess deaths is to be based on using '19 numbers, rather than the average from '15 to '19. The base curve in all those excess death graphs, though very seasonal, were basically flat.

    That's not right, as (AD has noted) Americans are getting older on average fairly quickly. It made a difference of 100,000 or so, making '19 deaths the baseline. However, this was going on in '20 and '21, when Americans were already older than that! Another post, Mortality addendum, links to another article that confirms this problem.

    An average of 1 370 000 deaths were reported over the same months during 2015 to 2019, for a crude excess of 301,400 deaths (128,100 non-COVID-19 deaths). However, the 2020 U.S. population includes 5.04 million more persons aged 65 years and older than the average population in 2015 to 2019 (a 10% increase). After population changes were taken into account, an estimated 217,900 excess deaths occurred from March through August 2020. [my bolding]
     
    Between that significant factor, the earlier deaths due to stupid medical treatments, the deaths of exuberance, the excess death numbers could be significantly inflated as far as representing uniquely Kung Flu deaths.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  183. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    and drains Social Security by keeping 80-year old diabetics around for another year.
    ==
    I'm going to advise your children to just call the dump truck when you expire.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    That’s not even an insult or retort. We’re all going to die around age 80; what happens to our corpse is utterly immaterial–it’s not You and the party is going on without you; and the notion that we are entitled to unlimited public funds or our soon-to-be heir’s funds to infinitessimally postpone our inevitable death is warped.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Ennui
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I'm old enough to remember people born in the 1890's. They were far more stoic about death and growing old. There wasn't this pathetic attempt to postpone aging or death.

    The "greatest" generation was when the stoicism started to slip, the Silents have proven tenacious in grasping on to power and a public presence with their talons. God help us,, the boomers will not go silently into the night.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  184. @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "It’s interesting that your level of certainty always correlates perfectly with your level of being wrong."

    Apparently, you didn't bother to read what you blockquoted. Here, I'll help you out by reposting the first sentence with some helpful highlighting:


    Counts of deaths from ALL causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented.
     
    That tallies with my claim that "There is no differentiation between covid and non-covid in those excess death statistics." I.e. ALL the deaths, COVID and otherwise, are lumped into the numbers tabulated by AnotherDad that you took issue with and the graph that epebble helpfully linked to and Steve Sailer commented about, and then I and you. That's all I was trying to say. Got it? The statistics being referenced were those in the graph. It's really not that hard -- is your memory really that spotty?

    Let's move on to the second sentence:


    As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be [misclassified] (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted.
     
    I.e. the excess death stats are helpful primarily in that they're not affected by misclassifications of the death into COVID and non-COVID, since either way, the deaths go into that graphs. Again, it's not nearly as hard as you're making it out to be. Obviously, the above paragraph is more concerned by undercounting COVID than by overcounting, but focusing on the total excess deaths helps us navigate between both errors.

    No one is denying that the CDC and other such agencies also break out the death tolls by age and cause-of-death and all sorts of other bins, but that's not the graph we're talking about here (and despite your playing dumb, I suspect even you know that).

    Given your spotty memory, let me remind you that it was the just-a-flu-bros (especially the poor hapless Hail) who were the first around here to make a big deal out of these excess death graphs right before those spikes showed up. Ouch! And oh boy, did they ever show up. I.e., some spectacularly bad timing there, at which point the just-a-flu-bros had to spend the rest of the epidemic insisting those huge spikes were really no big deal, and don't anyone let your lying eyes tell you anything different.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Dude. You said excess deaths aren’t broken down by covid vs non-covid causes. And they are. Take the “L” and move on.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Hypnotoad666

    Commenter "HA" will never admit defeat. Twenty-five years from now, like one of those Japanese soldiers holed up on an island somewhere, he will be hunkered down in his living room with a mask on, muttering to himself "Flatten the curve. Flatten the curve."

  185. @Truth Vigilante
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I a posted a comment over two hours ago, and another posted over 10 hours ago, and they're both 'Awaiting Moderation'.

    I'm curious, how many more hours before this moderation period is over ?
    Is it normal practice in your threads for moderation to take this long ?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I do sleep, you know.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, the other day I inquired as to why some of my comments, ten or more hours after I posted them, are still 'awaiting moderation'.
    You courteously responded with:


    'I do sleep, you know'.
     
    That's great. Sleep is very therapeutic and we should all get more of it.
    In the interim, those original comments of mine that were awaiting moderation have since come through, so thanks for that.

    However, since then I've posted other comments - although, once again, many of them did not show up until 6-8 hours after I posted them. Hmmm ... most unusual.

    Anyway, I want to draw your attention to a comment of mine that is STILL AWAITING MODERATION MORE THAN TWENTY FOUR (24) HOURS after I posted it.

    On my computer monitor it appears as: Comment # 202, June 29, 12.37 am, 600 words.

    Well, as write this it is approx 3.23am GMT on June 30, 2023.
    ie: it is almost TWENTY SEVEN hours since I posted it and still it 'awaits moderation'.

    WHY is that Steve ? There are no expletives and racial slurs in said comment. It's all pretty mild stuff, so why the need to muzzle my comments ?


    WERE YOU SLEEPING FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE LAST TWENTY SIX HOURS ?
     
    Evidently not, because there are dozens of comments from others that were posted AFTER my comment, and they showed up 'unmoderated' soon after they were posted.

    UR readers, are any of you experiencing this 'extended moderation' period that Steve Sailer is applying to me ?

    Steve, is it because I post uncomfortable facts that eviscerate the vaxxed-to-the-max narrative ?
    What happened to robust debate ?

    I certainly wouldn't want you to descend to depths of fools like Michael Hudson (the voodoo economist and Big Government Marxist), who banned me from his threads in UR because I exposed him for being the charlatan and economic illiterate that he is.

    Steve, you're better than that.

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @Steve Sailer

    Hallelujah !! Praise the lord.

    My comment # 202 in this thread is FINALLY no longer in limbo and being subjected to 'moderation' - FIVE (5) DAYS after I posted it.
    It would've been nice to see it visible in close to real time, enabling the others in the commentariat to respond to it and thus fostering some lively debate.

    But Steve, for whatever reason, you deemed that it would offend the sensibilities of the other readers.
    Anyway, those readers that are still browsing this article and who were unable to read comment # 202 when this thread was current, please check it out and take note of the important things I've written*.
    (*It could well save the life of a loved one or prevent serious disability, for those of you that heed what Bobby Kennedy Jr has to say).

  186. @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    “mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie, that you willing to die in this hill of disinformation despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Because Jews or something.

    But, by all means, please continue being an iSteve content generator on this front. Even he realizes—but dare not admit lest he loses his gravy train—that this “Trump lost because the election was stolen from him” narrative is a sham.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666

    “mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie

    You think “mail-in ballots” are a lie? I didn’t say they were fraudulent, just that the Dems believe they favor Dems — which they 100% believe. But your canned Trump derangement talking points are just spring loaded to launch whenever the election is mentioned.

    By the way, stop talking about “Jews” all the time. It’s just creepy.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    The lie is that mail-in ballots lead to massive fraud.

    “By the way, stop talking about “Jews” all the time. It’s just creepy.”

    Look in the mirror.

  187. @Art Deco
    @epebble

    Someone 77 years of age has a life expectancy of about 10 years, ceteris paribus.
    ==
    1946-1964 cohort is rapidly aging
    ==
    No one is aging any more rapidly than anyone else.

    Replies: @epebble

    Many people feel time is lapsing faster towards their end of life. Generally, young people don’t say things like “I can’t believe it has been ten years since …..”, or “how fast three years have gone”.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @epebble

    The degeneration slope gets steeper the older you get. This is basic biology. Likewise, our perception of the passage of time speeds up, as you point out.

  188. HA says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad

    I made the exact same argument about aging cohorts etc. 3 years ago to say the excess deaths being attributed to covid were overblown. But no one was having it. So if the Party Line wants to use it now, they have to also subtract from the previous overcounting of alleged covid deaths.

    In any event, it's easy to account for the changing demography you are talking about if you have the raw data. All you do is separately calculate excess death rates per each cohort. For example, what was the death rate for each age in 2019. (0-1 yrs old, 1-2 yrs old . . . 99-100 yrs old). How does that compare to 2022 and 2023? Easy peasy if you have the raw data.

    Likewise, we could settle the vax argument right now if we compared the raw data of who got vax shots and who didn't and ceteris paribus, looked at whether the vax increased or decreased mortality. Also, easy peasy, but only IF YOU HAVE THE RAW DATA!!

    You do a thorough, good faith analysis of what facts are available, so this isn't directed at you. But I'm sick of the retards who's only go-to argument is "you don't have the data to prove the government is wrong!" When the only reason that is true is because the government holds all the data and only releases and spins whatever information supports its narrative.

    Personally, I think they are withholding and covering up the raw vax and mortality data for the same reason they withheld and covered up their GOF research and lab leak -- i.e., to cover their ass. Maybe I'm a cynic, and the lab leak is the only item that they'd ever be willing to cover up. But why aren't the government lovers with blind faith at least willing to silence the crazy "anti-vaxxers" by releasing the data to prove they are crazy? Why not indulge the poor benighted fools whose philosophy is "Trust, but Verify?"

    Replies: @HA, @Achmed E. Newman

    “using CDC ‘studies’ to prove that the CDC was right about anything is not valid. The CDC has proven that it is biased and politicized and will engage in any manner of obfuscation, outright lies, or statistical malpractice”

    I’d wager that the actual numbers that they compile are far more valid than your evidence-free uncited assertions about how some “mysterious ‘excess death’ phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway).”

    Guess what obfuscating, outright-lying drone made that assertion? I know your just-a-flu-bro memory is probably shot to pieces, so let me give you a hint: They’ve traced the call and it’s coming from inside your house.

    If you have some actual evidence that the CDC — whose excess graph stats dovetail nicely with the ones compiled by European agencies, for what it’s worth — is colluding in the task of misplacing “millions of people all over world”, especially given the significant uptick in deaths over the last two years or more, produce some evidence — i.e. back it up with something other than empty assertions. (I’d also avoid lame buzzwords like ‘mystery-bug-juice’ and random jpegs of mask-wearing airline passengers — that was tried once already, and it was an embarrassing swing-and-a-miss, but it’s your call.)

    “Also, easy peasy, but only IF YOU HAVE THE RAW DATA!!”

    Which the government helpfully provides:

    Download datasets in CSV format by clicking on the link for the desired dataset under “CSV Format” link. Additional file formats are available for download for each dataset at Data.CDC.Go

    You were saying? Keep in mind Sailer’s admonition about how the last 10 weeks or so do tend to be undercounts — some of the local offices are sluggish in their reports, but as I recall (though it has been a while), the counts tally up nicely, and while I defy anyone to check every single cell in the spreadsheet, you can spot check a few, since a number of cities publish their own data. If some hidden hand is scraping off a few here and there to the extent that it amounts to millions being undercounted only after the epidemic subsided (obviously, the just-a-flu-bros don’t care a whit about deaths being undercounted during the actual epidemic), again, the onus is on you to provide more than source-free assertions.

    “You said excess deaths aren’t broken down by covid vs non-covid causes. And they are.”

    Wow. Let’s try this another away. If the graphs/tables that epebble and AnotherDad referred to were broken down by covid vs non-covid, that would necessitate TWO graphs and TWO tables, would it not? So, ask yourself: why did epebble and AnotherDad both present you with just one? Was it just the covid numbers that they provided, or the non-covid? Was it not — wait for it — rather the LUMP SUM of the two? Again, I leave you with what you yourself cited: “Counts of deaths from ALL causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented.” I.e., no breakouts in either that graph or that table. Regardless of whether it’s a covid death or not, it goes into that lump some graph/table.

    If this is really hard for you to grasp, well, it explains pretty much the totality of the rest of your output here. If that still doesn’t get the point across, try and get your mom or your “helper” to act it out with construction paper and glitter and dried macaroni and Elmer’s glue.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It's less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you'd have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing. And the rest of what you are saying is just blather. I don't get what satisfaction you derive from just spewing out word clouds when you have no understanding of what the underlying issue even is.

    Replies: @Mark G., @HA

  189. @Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    >80-year old diabetics

    What's with anti-vaxxers on the internet thinking they're the healthy ones? The anti-vaxxers I know IRL are slovenly people who weigh 300 pounds, trying and failing to lose it through fad diets. After all, taking health advice from YouTube streamers rather than doctors tends to produce poor outcomes in multiple ways.

    I hope your kids don't get you euthanized when you're eighty years old and they want to get their hands on your house a year early.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Truth Vigilante

    What’s with anonymous, hissy drive-by’s who can’t even adopt a handle?

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    This must be your first time on the internet.

    What is it with spergy types who foolishly use a username that allows the police and antifash lurkers to track their comments, all while anon commenters can't be put on ignore and are therefore esteemed above username commenters?

    Some folks really were born to sing the blues.

  190. @Hypnotoad666
    @Fenian Raider



    The fact that no government will merely match up the vaccination records to death records to rule out the vax hypothesis.
     
    They do, which shows that anti-vaxxer idiots like yourself are more likely to die.
     
    Who are you, dumbass? And what's your source for this disinformation?

    I'll give Steve the benefit of the doubt and assume you are some Deep State troll. But if you are actually an authentic person who is attracted to this site, it kind of proves my point. Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller or just a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons. I might as well read the New York times for all the insights Steve has to offer when it comes to government perfidy.

    Replies: @Fenian Raider, @Corvinus

    “I’ll give Steve the benefit of the doubt and assume you are some Deep State troll. “

    Lol, it appears to me that whoever disagrees with you or opposes your position receives this designation. That’s not critical thinking.

    “Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller or just a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons”

    Do you truly believe in this binary approach?

  191. @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus



    "mail-in ballots looked like the way to do that so they were all in.”

     

    It’s truly amazing to me you are still touting an obvious lie
     
    You think "mail-in ballots" are a lie? I didn't say they were fraudulent, just that the Dems believe they favor Dems -- which they 100% believe. But your canned Trump derangement talking points are just spring loaded to launch whenever the election is mentioned.

    By the way, stop talking about "Jews" all the time. It's just creepy.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    The lie is that mail-in ballots lead to massive fraud.

    “By the way, stop talking about “Jews” all the time. It’s just creepy.”

    Look in the mirror.

  192. “By the way, stop talking about “Jews” all the time. It’s just creepy.”

    Look in the mirror.

    Are you trying to say I’m Jewish? Why do you have Jews in your brain all the time. It’s just weird.

    • LOL: che guava
  193. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    So Covid is over, but deaths are running at 400K per year (15%) more than the 2018-2019 pre-covid baseline.
     
    No, they are not.

    I just laid the numbers out for you in a way any intelligent 6th grader ought to be able to grasp ... but then you parrot this bogus--completely bogus--idea that American deaths should be the same as in 2018-2019. That's just utter nonsense for reasons that are both a) obvious and b) that I just explained.

    The birth cohorts in the late 50s where about 4 million. In addtion we've had massive immigration bringing in more people--in those ages and spread through the adult cohorts. There are 330 million+ people. You can do some simple back of the envelope and realize that US deaths must--well baring some crazy breakthrough in life extension--rise to 4 million+ a year over the next couple decades. 2018/19 is not some "baseline" for all time. It's not even a "baseline" for 2022.

    Here's are some back of the envelope, but reasonable baselines--for the last few years, just projecting what was going on:
    2020 -- 2,90o,000
    2021 -- 2,955,000
    2022 -- 3,010,000

    2020 -- 480K excess deaths
    2021 -- 500K excess deaths
    2022 -- 260K excess deaths

    Anyone telling you there are 15% excess deaths now--which there indeed were during 2020-21--is perpetrating a fraud.

    And no covid is not "over". It had dialed way back but is still killing lots of extra people. (The CDC lists 244K, though some of those will of course not be covid deaths but other issues were covid was merely an aggravating factor or simply around.) And until some further medical breakthrough covid is never going to be "over". Just like the flu is never "over".

    The 2022 excess? Spitballing:
    #1 -- the majority: covid deaths, old/sickly folks pushed over the edge by covid infection
    #2 -- deaths from worse health due to previous covid infection and/or the vax
    #3 -- deaths from just generally shittier life in the USA post-pandemic/St.George OD; more drug use/overdoses, more obesity, more traffic accidents, more murders, more alienation

    This is not complicated. We--well Fauci and Daszak and the Bat girl--introduced a new pathogen, which has probably peeled back a couple of years of life expectancy (from the roughly 10 year gain during my lifetime).


    Note: I don't at all discount the covid vax causing some of this. It almost certainly is. (My default "common sense" take: vax is bad, covid infection is worse. One hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins. The other hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins ... on viruses that then go and hijack more of your cells to make more spike proteins on viruses which hijack more of your cells. ...)

    Vaccines are basically almost always "bad for you". People take them to mitigate something that is even worse for you. (They did crazy innoculation/exposure in the old days that had results like 2% death rate ... because they were facing things like smallpox or yellow fever that would kill 15-30%.)

    But ... you have to show that the vax is in the net negative. (Or that there's some compelling scientific reason for it to be worse than infection.) I.e. that people getting vaxed is worse for them. And that does not mean "more vaxed people" or "relatively more vaxxed people" dying. We know vaccination--quite reasonably--skews old/less-healthy. It has to be age and health status adjusted data that shows vaccination is worse than not. And even then ... you want to compare both people who then got covid and those who did not. I.e. we assume getting the vax is worse for you than not ... if you don't get covid. But we assume everyone will eventually be exposed, so the real issue is the full life cycle. (At least in 2021, getting the vax was highly beneficial. People who did not had a far higher hospitalization and death rates.) But whether that is still the case? Do not know. It could be that the vax is sufficiently worthless against current covid, that the lives saved in 2021, and being cancelled out by lives lost down the road from a now worthless vaccine. All this requires carefully parsing through the data.

    But most of the "it's the vax!" people fail even the most basic sanity checks--super simple stuff like what should be the "baseline" deaths to compare to in a nation with a rapidly expanding elderly population. If you can't "do the math" ... your opinion is worthless.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Hypnotoad666, @megabar

    > One hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins. The other hijacks your cells to make a bunch of spike proteins … on viruses that then go and hijack more of your cells to make more spike proteins on viruses which hijack more of your cells. …)

    One argument that I’ve heard that plausibly makes the vaccine worse is that the entry is different. Rather than being introduced into the lungs and throat — entryways that the body expects — it’s injected directly into tissue, and possibly directly into blood.

    Having said that, I haven’t seen anything compelling that suggests this difference is meaningful with COVID vaccines.

  194. @che guava
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    A Candidian friend told me years ago that Persian immigrants drove a giant spike in heroin trade.

    With the Viet influx that I don't recall, the Japanese govt. sent all of tens of thousands landing here to sucker places, mainly Candidia and the U.S.A.

    Remnant population in Japan, just over 4,000.

    I do recall the Iranians, though, the main things I saw were trading in counterfeit telephone cards for use in public telephones, but am sure that was only the tip of it.

    I met an ex-Tudeh member, he was a good person, but most were criminal types.

    As with the Viets, the government found sucker countries on which to inflict the crimewave, in the case of the Iranians, mainly Candidia, partly U.S.A.

    Not much later, a Japanese bureaucrat, Ogata Sadako, was made UNHCR. This was a point of pride in the media. To me, it was funny, keeping 'refugees' out is a great idea, but, really, why select a woman from Japan, which consistently refuses almost any asylum cases (and wisely, last year was about 200) as UNHCR?

    The whole point of UNHCR at its foundation was as a vehicle for Jews to move anywhere in the English- and Spanish-speaking, and European spheres where they may like to go.

    By the time Ogata was UNHCR, this had changed to using mass-population movements as a kind of attack-dog.


    -

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    I’m not personally familiar with many middle eastern people, with the exception of a few Persians, who say they differ from modern Iranians. I don’t know how true that is, but I don’t doubt many middle eastern people look forward to damaging western society, if given a chance. Considering the vipers in our government, I can’t say I blame them. I can’t stress enough how naive Americans are about the government, even those who try to pay a bit of attention. Officials lie, lie, lie, all of the time; no one is ever held accountable, therefore the extent of the treachery is never fully known.

    Despite what our governments do, I’m not willing to sacrifice western countries over what the vipers have been doing; we are victims, too. We can trade, visit, and admire each other from afar. While the fate of afghan girls seem sad to us, it’s not worth the life of an American man, so girls can go to school. I’m tired of the ridiculous platitudes; Americans seem to be waking up to it, and the world is better for it.

    *compared to Pakistanis and Afghans, Persians seem more culturally evolved; just an observation.

    • Replies: @che guava
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    I think I understand what they mean by that, it is on two levels.

    Iran (as was Persia) is to some extent a multi-ethnic empire. So they are not Kurds, Arabs, Baluchi, or whatever. They are Parsi or Farsi people. Thus Persians,

    The other level includes that, but they are the Shah's, and a few, Mossadegh's people. They don't like the values of Khomeini and his successors, forced hijab-wearing and so on. Many would like to see a return to Zoroastrian faith (at least) having equal status with Islam.

  195. @NJ Transit Commuter
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I do a lot of business in Australia and visit there a lot. Lovely country and wonderful people. But nothing annoys me more than all of the “traditional custodian acknowledgement” stuff.

    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.” I doubt many of the enthusiastic acknowledgers are willing to sacrifice their houses in Manly or Mosman….

    Anyway, lovely people and no more hypocritical than most of us (myself included). No offense intended to any Aussies reading this. Fair Dinkum!!

    Replies: @Wilkey, @raga10

    Always have to bite my tongue to not say, “Hey, if you want to acknowledge the traditional custodians, just give the sh!t back.”

    Don’t hold back, hardly anyone takes this shit seriously but many feel forced to pay at least lip service. They will be happy to hear you tell it like it is.

  196. @Mark G.
    @Pixo


    On that front, Covid retarded their agenda: it increased white relative fertility, weakened and impoverished leftist urban areas, and decreased migration.
     
    The Covid lockdowns destroyed large numbers of small mom and pop businesses. Small independent business owners are generally conservative, the type of people who would oppose open borders and race replacement. These are not people who you want to harm. Benefitting from the lockdowns was leftist big tech, since people were forced to stay at home and stare at screens. Benefitting from the mandatory vaccinations was big pharma, a major political contributor to corrupt leftist politicians like Biden, along with equally corrupt neocon Republican politicians. Both these groups are on the open borders side. The epidemic was also used to justify more mail in voting, also designed to benefit and help the political establishment in its effort to dislodge Trump from office.

    The state that came out of the whole Covid affair best was Florida. Adjusted for age distribution, Florida had a death rate at about the national average while suffering much less economic harm and loss of personal freedom than most other states. People voted with their feet in droves during the epidemic and moved out of liberal states like California and New York to Florida. DeSantis was against the authoritarian excesses that took place during the epidemic and is now against the current open borders fanaticism. He understands both are aimed at ordinary productive Americans.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a learning gap between those states who locked down hard and those that didn’t. The early test scores here in MA aren’t pretty.

  197. @Tiptoethrutulips
    @che guava

    I’m not personally familiar with many middle eastern people, with the exception of a few Persians, who say they differ from modern Iranians. I don’t know how true that is, but I don’t doubt many middle eastern people look forward to damaging western society, if given a chance. Considering the vipers in our government, I can’t say I blame them. I can’t stress enough how naive Americans are about the government, even those who try to pay a bit of attention. Officials lie, lie, lie, all of the time; no one is ever held accountable, therefore the extent of the treachery is never fully known.

    Despite what our governments do, I’m not willing to sacrifice western countries over what the vipers have been doing; we are victims, too. We can trade, visit, and admire each other from afar. While the fate of afghan girls seem sad to us, it’s not worth the life of an American man, so girls can go to school. I’m tired of the ridiculous platitudes; Americans seem to be waking up to it, and the world is better for it.

    *compared to Pakistanis and Afghans, Persians seem more culturally evolved; just an observation.

    Replies: @che guava

    I think I understand what they mean by that, it is on two levels.

    Iran (as was Persia) is to some extent a multi-ethnic empire. So they are not Kurds, Arabs, Baluchi, or whatever. They are Parsi or Farsi people. Thus Persians,

    The other level includes that, but they are the Shah’s, and a few, Mossadegh’s people. They don’t like the values of Khomeini and his successors, forced hijab-wearing and so on. Many would like to see a return to Zoroastrian faith (at least) having equal status with Islam.

    • Thanks: Tiptoethrutulips
  198. @Corvinus
    @Pixo

    “but the 2020 Trump Won truthers inexplicably ignore in favor of dumb conspiracies about hacked voting machines”

    Lol, this is what Trump himself and his team of lawyers pushed for, and that a good deal of MAGA heads still believe. Is it fair to say then that Trump is a liar in this regard?

    “First, legal immigrants with driver licenses frequently vote, sometimes without realizing they aren’t allowed to.”

    Citations required.

    “Second, large numbers of citizens obtained their citizenship via fraud and are subject to denaturalization. But the leftists controlling DoJ and Homeland Security wink and nod at citizenship fraud.”

    Citations required.

    Now, how exactly did these two types of election theft lead to Trump losing? I imagine you have sources that back up your assertion, right?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Pixo

  199. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    The whole point of focusing on excess death stats in the first place was to get past the just-a-flu-bro accusations about how the alarming bump in ALL deaths was solely due to motorcycle accidents....
     
    Yeah, it was only partially due to that. And that is supposed to make me trust the medical establishment more? The fact that some medical examiner looked at the mangled corpse of an accident victim or looked at a gunshot victim or someone who broke their neck in a fall and said "Yep, another COVID death!" hardly adds to their credibility.

    Replies: @HA

    “And that is supposed to make me trust the medical establishment more?”

    The excess graph is what it is — whether it makes you trust the medical establishment more or less is up to you. The fact that the graph shows alarmingly huge spikes — similar to those recorded around the world — right about the time that a novel virus was first identified and later sequenced, and that the bump in deaths was in rough conformity with tallies of “cause-of-death-was-COVID” on coroners’ reports makes me suspect that all those things are somehow connected, but again, the choice is yours. You can instead argue all you want about how some world-wide cabal or pharmaceutical lobby coordinated all this, and how all those deaths are really suicides-by-gunshot sparked by the agony over being locked down, or else mass hysteria, but my guess is you’ll just be talking to your fellow practitioners of Facebook-meme medicine. Trying to to resuscitate a failed movement by claiming that Bulgaria and Romania had it right along or that myocarditis risk from vaccines is worse than that of COVID or that we really should have just stuck with Ivermectin is just twisting data around.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    The excess graph is what it is — whether it makes you trust the medical establishment more or less is up to you. The fact that the graph shows alarmingly huge spikes — similar to those recorded around the world — right about the time that a novel virus was first identified and later sequenced, and that the bump in deaths was in rough conformity with tallies of “cause-of-death-was-COVID” on coroners’ reports makes me suspect that all those things are somehow connected, but again, the choice is yours.
     
    "Excess Deaths" already has a lot of processing in it? Excess compared to what? What is the baseline that is being subtracted off. I would prefer to see the raw data - how many deaths in total, and how did they increase.

    Your strawmanning not withstanding I never denied that COVID killed people. Although - and what you lot seem determined to ignore - is the likelihood that a lot of that uptick in deaths were people who were killed by the medical profession itself with treatments that were often worse than the disease

    You hysterical ninnies were wrong and that fact is becoming more apparent every day.

    Maybe you should put another mask on and vax-up some more.

    Replies: @HA

  200. @epebble
    @Art Deco

    Many people feel time is lapsing faster towards their end of life. Generally, young people don't say things like "I can't believe it has been ten years since .....", or "how fast three years have gone".

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    The degeneration slope gets steeper the older you get. This is basic biology. Likewise, our perception of the passage of time speeds up, as you point out.

    • Agree: epebble
  201. @Fenian Raider
    @Hypnotoad666


    Steve has to decide if he wants to be a critical thinking truth teller
     
    Steve made his pro-vaccine views clear at the beginning of COVID vaccination but got a lot of blowback and has been silent since that time, presumably assuming that idiots like yourself would quickly forget his stance.

    Certainly he's not as brave as someone like Anatoly Karlin or Richard Spencer, who are willing to tell their followers when they're acting like a bunch of morons.

    But if you are actually an authentic person who is attracted to this site, it kind of proves my point
     
    I (was) attracted to this site as a place where intelligent people could critique the multiculti madness. It used to be possible to do that without a thousand morons coming on and calling people Deep State Conspiracy Members if they don't believe these tall tales about how six billion Filipino Bike Boys died in the Vaccinocaust.

    a politician who triangulates his positions to appeal to a wide audience of conformists morons
     
    Let me guess: you had no interest in anti-vax, a movement that has existed for a long time, before 2021, when you suddenly decided you were a believer. You're only saying this crap because other people started saying it.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    Simian Raider writes:

    Let me guess: you had no interest in anti-vax, a movement that has existed for a long time, before 2021, when you suddenly decided you were a believer.

    I think I speak on behalf of a lot of people here, and I am not anti-vaxx.
    I am pro SAFE and EFFECTIVE VACCINES.

    But the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as vaccines have been anything other than safe, and we already know that they’re not effective – as any perusal of the hard facts will testify.

    I’ve been following the output of RFK Jr for many years, and what he’s said about the danger of a variety of vaccines has been spot on accurate.
    Bear in mind, as an anarcho capitalist and Ron Paul Libertarian, I’m not the sort of individual that would be partial to the ideas of a typical liberal Democrat.
    But Bobby Jr is not your typical Democrat.

    With the exception of Dr Ron Paul, RFK Jr is the most honest, courageous, well informed Presidential candidate in the entire post JFK era.

    Simian Raider, you would be well advised to listen to what he has to say on vaccines.

    UR readers who are sceptical about RFK Jr, please take the time to watch the following video made some years before the Covid Psyop terrorised the world, where Bobby Jr speaks about the danger of the HPV Gardasil vaccine (those pressed for time should watch at least the first 90 secs of it – as well as the section from about 27:00 – 35:00):

    SUMMARY: RFK Jr has cost Merck (the manufacturer of the Gardasil vaccine) countless hundreds of millions in lost revenue around the world (if not billions), as parents avoid this toxic concoction on Bobby’s urging.

    If you watched the first minute and half of the video, you’ll see that Bobby Jr is encouraging Merck to sue him if they think he’s making false allegations against their dangerous vaccine.

    But, Merck WON’T SUE RFK Jr – because Bobby speaks the TRUTH.

    EVERYTHING Bobby Jr has been saying on vaccines is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
    For all your sakes, I hope all you Vaxxed-to-the-Max Big pharma advocates wake up to the folly of your beliefs.

    Meanwhile UR readers, before you take ANY vaccine, the annual flu shots etc (especially if it’s from Pfizer), please consider the enormous fines that Big Pharma has paid for its various frauds and chicanery over the years:

    Pfizer alone has paid USD $4.7 billion in fines for:

    1) False claims
    2) Drug and Medical equipment safety violations
    3) Off-label promotion
    4) Corrupt practices
    5) Kickbacks
    6) Bribery

    It isn’t only a few faked test results or a failure to notify the FDA of a drug’s harmful side effects. The pharma industry has a 100-year history of committing almost every crime imaginable short of bank robbery and arson.

    On the medical side we have:

    1) Faked and non-existent drug tests

    2) Falsified drug test results

    3) Falsified manufacturing records

    4) Adulteration of medications

    5) Non-disclosure of harmful and fatal side-effects

    6) Non-disclosure of failed drug tests

    7) False advertising

    8) Selling adulterated drugs and defective medical appliances, illegal medical experiments, fraudulent drug trials and so much more.

    We also have severely-contaminated and sometimes-lethal vaccines.

    Pfizer’s (and most of Big Pharma’s) track record as far as integrity is concerned, is horrendous.

  202. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HA

    Sorry. I'm not taking your mystery bug-juice that provides no public health benefit beyond savings to Social Security. (It's actually more like an allergy shot). I'm not wearing your sheetrock-hanger's mask either.

    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):

    https://i.imgur.com/iEjyezj.jpg

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @HA, @Truth Vigilante

    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):

    Good stuff Gnostic.

    And since we’re on the topic of the ludicrous antics of the face mask wearers and Socialist Distancers, we have this 3 min video:

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Truth Vigilante

    Covid was literally a dream come true for neurotic wannabe-tyrants.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @BB753
    @Truth Vigilante

    Lol, the bald man running scared from the unmasked customer and his daughter is a real pussy! I'll grant our overlords this, they pulled the greatest psy-op in history off!

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    , @Mike Tre
    @Truth Vigilante

    That was Steve when he went grocery shopping.

  203. @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "Sorry. I’m not taking your mystery bug-juice..."

    You do what you want, you bad-boy rebel, you. Grow a goatee, ride a Harley, tell the world how much you love Putin -- whatever it takes to distract everyone from your under-endowed or saggy anatomy -- but I suspect the girlies actually worth having around will be no more impressed by all that than they are by your obvious comb-over or your muscle car.

    And if you don't want to deal with the mystery-bug-juice, you're more than free to instead deal with the mystery bugs that nature periodically spits out every century or so. Once the epidemic subsides, it's your call either way. As noted, the latest data show that the bug juice is significantly less deadly than the bug itself, but feel free to skip the actual science and stick with the Facebook memes, black sheep Kennedys and the anti-vaxx "experts" who only get read because of their lock-step conformity to your prejudices. So much for the so-called rebels.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Truth Vigilante

    As noted, the latest data show that the bug juice is significantly less deadly than the bug itself, but feel free to skip the actual science and stick with the Facebook memes, black sheep Kennedys and the anti-vaxx “experts”…..

    I have news for you ‘HA’, what your second cousin (CDC Director Rochelle Walensky) and Anthony Fauci said during the Covid Psyop, is NOT the ‘science’.
    These individuals are PAID LIARS, and only gullible automatons like yourself are unable to see that.
    I suggest you scroll up to my comment # 104 and review the actual objective ‘latest data’ and see for yourself that, in the case of Australia:

    1) One solitary individual died in the whole country from Covid in the first 6 months of 2021 (ie: a time when very few had taken the jab, as the rollout was many months later than in the U.S)

    2) IMMEDIATELY after a critical threshold of Aussies had taken the clot shots (ie: soon after mid 2021), we had a THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in Covid mortality in the second half of 2021, in comparison to the first half of that year.

    This was also the case in many other countries that, unlike the U.S, were more honest in compiling their Covid mortality statistics.

    Take Taiwan for instance (open the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled ‘Total Coronavirus Deaths in Taiwan’) :

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan/

    As you can see, the number of deaths BEFORE the introduction of the vaxx was negligible – virtually a flat line.
    After the toxic clot shots were introduced, it went ballistic.

    SUMMARY: You are a Clueless Clown ‘HA’. I’ve been watching your commentary and you are among the least informed disinfo peddlers here.

    Tell your Big Pharma benefactors that the UR readers are wise to you.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "IMMEDIATELY after a critical threshold of Aussies had taken the clot shots (ie: soon after mid 2021), we had a THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in Covid mortality in the second half of 2021, in comparison to the first half of that year."

    It just keeps getting more pathetic. Riddle me this, oh fearless truth vigilante, did that "critical threshold of Aussies" just so happen to be accompanied by a RELAXATION OF LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS that had been in place prior to the vaccine being available? Because that's typically how the narrative unfolded in most of the rest of the world. If so, then you got to factor in the removal of those lockdown restrictions, otherwise your oh-so-selective finger pointing will convince no one. And how many of those Covid mortalities were from people who declined to get that so-called clot shot?

    Factor all that in and get back to me. Until then remember this: No one said the vaccine is as good as an iron-clad lockdown, and if that's what you're implicitly arguing for -- and apparently, it is -- then be careful of what you wish for.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  204. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "And that is supposed to make me trust the medical establishment more?"

    The excess graph is what it is -- whether it makes you trust the medical establishment more or less is up to you. The fact that the graph shows alarmingly huge spikes -- similar to those recorded around the world -- right about the time that a novel virus was first identified and later sequenced, and that the bump in deaths was in rough conformity with tallies of "cause-of-death-was-COVID" on coroners' reports makes me suspect that all those things are somehow connected, but again, the choice is yours. You can instead argue all you want about how some world-wide cabal or pharmaceutical lobby coordinated all this, and how all those deaths are really suicides-by-gunshot sparked by the agony over being locked down, or else mass hysteria, but my guess is you'll just be talking to your fellow practitioners of Facebook-meme medicine. Trying to to resuscitate a failed movement by claiming that Bulgaria and Romania had it right along or that myocarditis risk from vaccines is worse than that of COVID or that we really should have just stuck with Ivermectin is just twisting data around.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The excess graph is what it is — whether it makes you trust the medical establishment more or less is up to you. The fact that the graph shows alarmingly huge spikes — similar to those recorded around the world — right about the time that a novel virus was first identified and later sequenced, and that the bump in deaths was in rough conformity with tallies of “cause-of-death-was-COVID” on coroners’ reports makes me suspect that all those things are somehow connected, but again, the choice is yours.

    “Excess Deaths” already has a lot of processing in it? Excess compared to what? What is the baseline that is being subtracted off. I would prefer to see the raw data – how many deaths in total, and how did they increase.

    Your strawmanning not withstanding I never denied that COVID killed people. Although – and what you lot seem determined to ignore – is the likelihood that a lot of that uptick in deaths were people who were killed by the medical profession itself with treatments that were often worse than the disease

    You hysterical ninnies were wrong and that fact is becoming more apparent every day.

    Maybe you should put another mask on and vax-up some more.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    “'Excess Deaths' already has a lot of processing in it? Excess compared to what? What is the baseline that is being subtracted off. I would prefer to see the raw data – how many deaths in total, and how did they increase."

    I cited the download instructions above -- feel free to massage the data to your heart's content, but let's not pretend you'll be any more objective than the people who were compiling that graph and applying the same consistent methodology since long before COVID came along. I know Achmed Newman was similarly all hot and bothered that the baseline was off and was saying he'd compute his own baseline. You can try asking him since he's apparently just as loony as you are. But really, if you're too blind or stupid to visually integrate those multi-year spikes on that graph and recognize for yourself that something far more serious than "just-a-nothingburger-flu" was happening there, you're beyond the point where actual data will suffice to convince you of anything.

    "I never denied that COVID killed people."

    You did choose to be self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. We've been through that. You did choose to wave your hands in the air and mutter about deaths due to "mass hysteria" or whatever. Then there was that bogus "lockdown severity index" you cited from some so-called study that some libertarian think thank was paid to spew out on orders from some oligarch or another. I.e. the same old feverish Google-just-until-I-get-the-result-I-want strategy so near and dear to the hearts of the anti-vaxxers.

    But hey, feel free to retconn all that however you like. I know better.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon

  205. @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    Dude. You said excess deaths aren't broken down by covid vs non-covid causes. And they are. Take the "L" and move on.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Commenter “HA” will never admit defeat. Twenty-five years from now, like one of those Japanese soldiers holed up on an island somewhere, he will be hunkered down in his living room with a mask on, muttering to himself “Flatten the curve. Flatten the curve.”

  206. @Corvinus
    @Pixo

    “but the 2020 Trump Won truthers inexplicably ignore in favor of dumb conspiracies about hacked voting machines”

    Lol, this is what Trump himself and his team of lawyers pushed for, and that a good deal of MAGA heads still believe. Is it fair to say then that Trump is a liar in this regard?

    “First, legal immigrants with driver licenses frequently vote, sometimes without realizing they aren’t allowed to.”

    Citations required.

    “Second, large numbers of citizens obtained their citizenship via fraud and are subject to denaturalization. But the leftists controlling DoJ and Homeland Security wink and nod at citizenship fraud.”

    Citations required.

    Now, how exactly did these two types of election theft lead to Trump losing? I imagine you have sources that back up your assertion, right?

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Pixo

    “ Is it fair to say then that Trump is a liar in this regard?”

    Obviously.

    “Now, how exactly did these two types of election theft lead to Trump losing?”

    They probably didn’t, as they are concentrated in states with no voter ID and large immigrant populations. So not Wisconsin, NH, and Michigan.

    If non-citizen migrants are 25% of the voting age population and 5% of them vote, and turnout among citizens is 50%, that means non citizens cast more than 3% of votes, and probably a net 2% for Democrats. More than enough to swing many close elections in AZ, NV, CO, WA, and suburban areas of CA where the GOP is still competitive.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Pixo

    "If non-citizen migrants are 25% of the voting age population and 5% of them vote, and turnout among citizens is 50%, that means non citizens cast more than 3% of votes, and probably a net 2% for Democrats. More than enough to swing many close elections in AZ, NV, CO, WA, and suburban areas of CA where the GOP is still competitive. "

    This claim was also made by Trump. How are we supposed to believe him given how much he lies?

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-report-trump-advances-false-claim-3-5-million-voted-illegally

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/19/fact-check-claim-voting-noncitizens-2020-election-unverified/6237115002/

  207. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad

    I made the exact same argument about aging cohorts etc. 3 years ago to say the excess deaths being attributed to covid were overblown. But no one was having it. So if the Party Line wants to use it now, they have to also subtract from the previous overcounting of alleged covid deaths.

    In any event, it's easy to account for the changing demography you are talking about if you have the raw data. All you do is separately calculate excess death rates per each cohort. For example, what was the death rate for each age in 2019. (0-1 yrs old, 1-2 yrs old . . . 99-100 yrs old). How does that compare to 2022 and 2023? Easy peasy if you have the raw data.

    Likewise, we could settle the vax argument right now if we compared the raw data of who got vax shots and who didn't and ceteris paribus, looked at whether the vax increased or decreased mortality. Also, easy peasy, but only IF YOU HAVE THE RAW DATA!!

    You do a thorough, good faith analysis of what facts are available, so this isn't directed at you. But I'm sick of the retards who's only go-to argument is "you don't have the data to prove the government is wrong!" When the only reason that is true is because the government holds all the data and only releases and spins whatever information supports its narrative.

    Personally, I think they are withholding and covering up the raw vax and mortality data for the same reason they withheld and covered up their GOF research and lab leak -- i.e., to cover their ass. Maybe I'm a cynic, and the lab leak is the only item that they'd ever be willing to cover up. But why aren't the government lovers with blind faith at least willing to silence the crazy "anti-vaxxers" by releasing the data to prove they are crazy? Why not indulge the poor benighted fools whose philosophy is "Trust, but Verify?"

    Replies: @HA, @Achmed E. Newman

    All you do is separately calculate excess death rates per each cohort. For example, what was the death rate for each age in 2019. (0-1 yrs old, 1-2 yrs old . . . 99-100 yrs old). How does that compare to 2022 and 2023? Easy peasy if you have the raw data.

    The Census Bureau has the population numbers in 5-year wide buckets, Hypno, and the CDC (yeah, I know) has the years’ mortality rates given in 10-year buckets. Over 2 years ago, in Hey, what’s the deal with excess deaths, anyway?, Peak Stupidity did some calculations using a spreadsheet to come up with the base curve that excess deaths is to be based on using ’19 numbers, rather than the average from ’15 to ’19. The base curve in all those excess death graphs, though very seasonal, were basically flat.

    That’s not right, as (AD has noted) Americans are getting older on average fairly quickly. It made a difference of 100,000 or so, making ’19 deaths the baseline. However, this was going on in ’20 and ’21, when Americans were already older than that! Another post, Mortality addendum, links to another article that confirms this problem.

    An average of 1 370 000 deaths were reported over the same months during 2015 to 2019, for a crude excess of 301,400 deaths (128,100 non-COVID-19 deaths). However, the 2020 U.S. population includes 5.04 million more persons aged 65 years and older than the average population in 2015 to 2019 (a 10% increase). After population changes were taken into account, an estimated 217,900 excess deaths occurred from March through August 2020. [my bolding]

    Between that significant factor, the earlier deaths due to stupid medical treatments, the deaths of exuberance, the excess death numbers could be significantly inflated as far as representing uniquely Kung Flu deaths.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The Census Bureau has the population numbers in 5-year wide buckets, Hypno, and the CDC (yeah, I know) has the years’ mortality rates given in 10-year buckets.
     
    I think that, to be 100% precise, the CDC "has" the exact date of every death (compiled from death certificates), but they choose to "publish" the data in big 10-year buckets. Why not publish the data in the most precise form possible? Likewise, there must be a database on vaccination records since they were issuing those little vax verification certificates that were necessary to go to a restaurant, etc. Why not match up the records and see what they show?

    The fact that they won't do it kinda tells you everything you need to know.

    Although an interesting question would be whether they tested the waters by running numbers internally and then decided, based on the results, to deep six any further analysis. Or, whether they just knew to begin with that they are better off not even touching the issue of outcome analysis with a ten-foot pole.

    50 years from now some historian will probably dig up the answer. In the meantime, the lack of curiosity is pretty amazing. Especially from the knuckleheads who go around talking about "anti-vax idiots" and don't really care if there are any facts to support their bias.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  208. @HA
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "The problem for Team Vax is they can’t point to a big pile of young, otherwise healthy dead bodies and say 'Unvaxed,' nor simultaneously point to a bunch of robust 80-year olds swinging for the fences and say 'Vaxed.'”

    I'm not sure even you know what that last sentence of gobbledygook actually means. In any case, what they CAN do is record mortality with similar ages with similar health-sheets -- i.e. compare 40-50 year-old UNvaccinated smokers with 40-50 year-old vaccinated smokers and compile the death rates accordingly. It's not that hard, conceptually, and big piles of dead or undead bodies are not in any way essential. That cohort-by-cohort comparison is how that Yale University study was compiled. That's also more or less how drug trials work. As I recall, it was actually the anti-vaxxers who liked to play the game of mixing unvaccinated 30-year-olds in with vaccinated 80-year-olds -- as seen in, say, a London emergency room -- and then assert that the vaccines "obviously don't work".

    The number of individuals in those suitably-binned drug trials was actually pretty vast, and given the billions of doses of the vaccine that have been administered over the last year or more, they've even been able to do comparisons on very rare second-order side-effects (e.g. myocarditis risk after COVID vs. myocarditis risk after the vaccine). Sadly, none of it makes the nothingburger crowd look good, though that hasn't stopped them from repeatedly coming around and insisting Sailer needs to apologize because "we were right all along". Researchers were even able to determine -- though it admittedly took a while -- that ivermectin's efficacy against COVID is minimal (unless a given patient's immune system is weakened by the parasites that cause river blindness or some related stress load).

    I submit that your use of dumb buzzwords and jpegs -- i.e., outrage tactics and other such hysterics -- bespeaks an overall lack of any substance to your claims, despite the fact that people like Alex Bernstein are probably still trying to squeeze a Substack buck out a living giving the anti-vaxxers exactly what they want to hear, though clearly, at this point, even they can't be bothered to look any of that up.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You’ve got to give it up about this vaccine, man! Everyone else has. Within the last 6 months, most foreign countries have dropped any kind of requirements to show proof of vaccination to enter. Big Business has given up trying to force employees to take the shots.

    Why? It’s because too many people have too many personal reasons, whether paranoid, as you seem to think, or from evidence (such as I based on the one family member who took it) to avoid this stuff. As a general, mandatory program, well, it didn’t take. That’s it.

    At this point, governments, businesses, universities, etc. have just quietly backed off like Homer Simpson into the bushes. They don’t talk about it, because it’s a sore point for a lot of people, and then there have been lawsuits for back-pay too.

    Nobody buys this stupidity anymore. We won. You lost. Give it up, HA.

    • Agree: Mark G., Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Nobody buys this stupidity anymore. We won. You lost. Give it up, HA.
     
    To paraphrase a line from that queer cowboy movie: these guys just can't quit COVID.

    Or to paraphrase Humphry Bogart in Casablanca: "We'll always have COVID."

    The Coof gave meaning to their lives. They became holy warriors in a righteous cause. The dream will never die, man!
    , @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    75% of America is vaccinated. So no, you lost.

    And that includes blaques and illegal aliens. If we're talking white people it's like 90% vaccinated.

    You can't tell anyone you're unvaccinated without getting "the look". Everybody instantly suspects you of schizophrenia if you say it. It's the same look they give you if you are missing front teeth. Instant crazy homeless man stigmatization for life. Best believe this has socioeconomic repercussions.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman

  209. @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You are simply shilling Russian propaganda. The primary counter offensive has not yet begun. There have been preliminary Ukrainian efforts to retake their land. We shall see how that goes. Putin can end the war and the murder of Slavs. Regardless, Ukrainian soldiers and citizens are willing to die for their cause—sovereignty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Truth Vigilante

    Curvanus writes:

    The primary counter offensive [by the Judeo-Ukranian regime] has not yet begun.

    Oh, you mean the counter offensive with their 14-17 yr old school boys/old men conscript army ? (seeing as the professional Ukrainian army they began the war with has long ago been decimated).

    Corvanus, you’re a joke. You’re almost as bad as John’s Johnson.
    Give up man, your dream of a resurrected Khazaria 2.0 is dead and buried.

    You’ll have to get used to the fact that there will be no relocation of your kinfolk from the Apartheid Israeli state to greener pastures.
    The illegal colonial oppressors in Occupied Palestine have probably got a few more years, where they can hold on to that barren wasteland in the Negev Desert.
    Thereafter they’ll have to return to their shit-hole shtetls like Krakow Poland, from whence they originally came.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Truth Vigilante

    "Oh, you mean the counter offensive with their 14-17 yr old school boys/old men conscript army ? (seeing as the professional Ukrainian army they began the war with has long ago been decimated)."

    No, the Ukrainian Army that is defending their homeland from Putin, a Deep State oligarch who poisons his political opponents and curbs dissent.

    "Corvanus, you’re a joke. You’re almost as bad as John’s Johnson".

    All your lies are belong to us.

    "You’ll have to get used to the fact that there will be no relocation of your kinfolk from the Apartheid Israeli state to greener pastures."

    I'm white, my friend. Why do you hate my kind?

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  210. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anon

    What's with anonymous, hissy drive-by's who can't even adopt a handle?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This must be your first time on the internet.

    What is it with spergy types who foolishly use a username that allows the police and antifash lurkers to track their comments, all while anon commenters can’t be put on ignore and are therefore esteemed above username commenters?

    Some folks really were born to sing the blues.

  211. @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "using CDC 'studies' to prove that the CDC was right about anything is not valid. The CDC has proven that it is biased and politicized and will engage in any manner of obfuscation, outright lies, or statistical malpractice"

    I'd wager that the actual numbers that they compile are far more valid than your evidence-free uncited assertions about how some "mysterious 'excess death' phenomenon is killing millions of people all over the world (the heavily vaccinated parts, anyway)."

    Guess what obfuscating, outright-lying drone made that assertion? I know your just-a-flu-bro memory is probably shot to pieces, so let me give you a hint: They've traced the call and it's coming from inside your house.

    If you have some actual evidence that the CDC -- whose excess graph stats dovetail nicely with the ones compiled by European agencies, for what it's worth -- is colluding in the task of misplacing "millions of people all over world", especially given the significant uptick in deaths over the last two years or more, produce some evidence -- i.e. back it up with something other than empty assertions. (I'd also avoid lame buzzwords like 'mystery-bug-juice' and random jpegs of mask-wearing airline passengers -- that was tried once already, and it was an embarrassing swing-and-a-miss, but it's your call.)

    "Also, easy peasy, but only IF YOU HAVE THE RAW DATA!!"

    Which the government helpfully provides:


    Download datasets in CSV format by clicking on the link for the desired dataset under “CSV Format” link. Additional file formats are available for download for each dataset at Data.CDC.Go
     
    You were saying? Keep in mind Sailer's admonition about how the last 10 weeks or so do tend to be undercounts -- some of the local offices are sluggish in their reports, but as I recall (though it has been a while), the counts tally up nicely, and while I defy anyone to check every single cell in the spreadsheet, you can spot check a few, since a number of cities publish their own data. If some hidden hand is scraping off a few here and there to the extent that it amounts to millions being undercounted only after the epidemic subsided (obviously, the just-a-flu-bros don't care a whit about deaths being undercounted during the actual epidemic), again, the onus is on you to provide more than source-free assertions.

    "You said excess deaths aren’t broken down by covid vs non-covid causes. And they are."

    Wow. Let's try this another away. If the graphs/tables that epebble and AnotherDad referred to were broken down by covid vs non-covid, that would necessitate TWO graphs and TWO tables, would it not? So, ask yourself: why did epebble and AnotherDad both present you with just one? Was it just the covid numbers that they provided, or the non-covid? Was it not -- wait for it -- rather the LUMP SUM of the two? Again, I leave you with what you yourself cited: "Counts of deaths from ALL causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented." I.e., no breakouts in either that graph or that table. Regardless of whether it's a covid death or not, it goes into that lump some graph/table.

    If this is really hard for you to grasp, well, it explains pretty much the totality of the rest of your output here. If that still doesn't get the point across, try and get your mom or your "helper" to act it out with construction paper and glitter and dried macaroni and Elmer's glue.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It’s less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you’d have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing. And the rest of what you are saying is just blather. I don’t get what satisfaction you derive from just spewing out word clouds when you have no understanding of what the underlying issue even is.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Hypnotoad666

    Insurance industry and funeral home industry statistical data brings into question how honest the government was on this. Just the fact of lack of government transparency and the obvious government attempts to pressure private organizations like Twitter to censor anything critical of the vaccines caused a lot of resistance to the vaccines. It ended up backfiring on them because it helped lead to public rejection of the vaccines.

    The options presented by the vaccine proponents were vax versus no vax. They ignored that some individual doctors had good success with early treatment programs involving various drugs and nutritional supplements. There were also preventative programs involving these same methods. It changes the risk-benefit analysis if there is a third option. I went over a year without getting Covid while taking some nutritional supplements like vitamin D, zinc, and quercetin. It was only after someone else caused me to be in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital that I finally got it.

    This blocking of potential early treatments by threatening doctors with the loss of their medical licenses, censorship efforts, treatment of anyone with questions as mental inferiors not deserving respect, and lack of provision of good objective government statistical data led to eventual public rejection of the vaccines. If not for that, more people might have gotten them and might still be getting them. The vax proponents were their own worst enemies but, of course, can't see that.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666

    , @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It’s less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you’d have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing."

    They CDC did exactly that -- lines up pretty well with the curves, as it turns out, at least covariance-wise -- but as soon as they presented the numbers, the COVID-truther loons started crying about "misclassification" and "PCR thresholds" and whatever other la-la-la-can't-hear-you tactics six-year-olds use when they want to avoid hearing bad news. That's what people like you and Achmed always do when the data shows they were flat out wrong, but think the world owes them an apology anyway.

    Again, it was the "nothingburger" crowd that insisted we need a more objective way of looking at this than relying on the pathologists and coroners who do precisely the matching up you speak of, and have been doing it for a living long before COVID came along. I have to admit, it was actually a sensible argument. Look up that link from Hail that I cited earlier, who was the very first person to make a big deal of excess deaths. But of course, that was before the big spikes in that graph came along. Once they did, the nothingburger crowd forgot all about that (or like Hail, tried to play the "nothing to see here" scam on the rest of us) to the extent that some of you apparently still don't even know what the excess death graph even is. But I didn't forget. Maybe if I had been dumb enough to get my COVID unvaxxed and unfiltered, I too would be sitting here suffering from the same memory rot that seems to afflict the truthers. But that's not what happened. If you doubt me, again, feel free to ctrl-f for "Hail" and chase down that link. He wound up with a lot of egg on his face, but at least he knows what an excess death graph is, so he's one up on you.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante

  212. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Muslims have this mythohistorical belief which serves here as a neat ideological trick. Islam is the original human culture, but over the years was perverted away from its nature, into all non-Muslim cultures. But technically, you see, they started out fully authentically Muslim. Finally in the Dark Ages, Allah clarified everything, with the current (but also of course original) version of Islam. So they don't need to acknowledge previous ownership because they were there first.
    (See also "But Europe is not becoming a Muslim land, Europe already was a Muslim land" -- Muslims believe that any previous land ownership by Muslims remains "legitimate" forever, even if a temporary Spanish embarassment occurs.)
    I learned this after hearing a Muslim student in a class say that Muslims built the Parthenon. There is this tremendous desire to appropriate accomplishments and celebrities, so as to prove how great Islam is.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @epebble, @HammerJack, @Mehool Mehta, @Anonymous

    I don’t know about Muslims in general but do know that Iranians in particular have an old grudge against the Greeks, specifically Alexander, for “stealing” their advanced science and technology and passing it off as their own.

  213. @Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    >80-year old diabetics

    What's with anti-vaxxers on the internet thinking they're the healthy ones? The anti-vaxxers I know IRL are slovenly people who weigh 300 pounds, trying and failing to lose it through fad diets. After all, taking health advice from YouTube streamers rather than doctors tends to produce poor outcomes in multiple ways.

    I hope your kids don't get you euthanized when you're eighty years old and they want to get their hands on your house a year early.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Truth Vigilante

    The anti-vaxxers I know …. all, taking health advice from YouTube streamers rather than doctors

    Anon, I see you’re yet another vaxxed-to-the-maxx moron propagating bald faced lies.

    The doctors advising against the toxic clot shots are the best in their respective fields. ie: people like Dr Peter McCullough, Dr Pierre Kory, Prof Sucharit Bhakdi, Prof Wolfgang Wodarg, Prof John Ioannides (Stanford), Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, Yale’s School of Public Health Prof Harvey Risch, the internationally acclaimed Dr Vernon Coleman, to name just a handful among many.

    Let’s have a closer look at Peter McCullough’s resume, by way of example:

    Professor at Texas A & M College of Medicine, President, Cardiorenal Society of America, Editor-in-Chief, Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, Senior Associate Editor, American Journal of Cardiology and others.

    He has written 46 peer-reviewed publications on COVID-19 and is considered among the world’s EXPERTS on the topic, testifying in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in November 2020, and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, in the Colorado General Assembly, and in the New Hampshire Senate, concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.

    He’s an epidemiologist and in those fields he specialises in (Cardio/Renal), he is the most published medical professional in the world, in HISTORY.

    Let’s hear what a Nobel Laureate had to say about the correlation between the clot shots and mortality:

    SUMMARY: Meanwhile, someone like RFK Jr may be a lawyer, but never lose sight of the fact that he’s just the MESSENGER.
    And in that capacity he is conveying the findings of the VERY BEST infectious disease epidemiologists, virologists and such on the planet.

    When RFK Jr speaks of the danger of the clot shots, he didn’t conjure up those beliefs from a bad dream he had.

    Everything he says is based on the most objective peer reviewed science.
    You can take that to the bank.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Truth Vigilante


    >John Ioannides
     
    More anti-vaxxer lies:

    I celebrate the scientific progress made since 2020. I wasn’t “cynical” about vaccines and treatments, but elated to see effective interventions developed faster than most scientists expected. We should promote their evidence-based use.
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/30/i-did-not-mock-those-who-were-worried-about-covid-19
  214. @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    You've got to give it up about this vaccine, man! Everyone else has. Within the last 6 months, most foreign countries have dropped any kind of requirements to show proof of vaccination to enter. Big Business has given up trying to force employees to take the shots.

    Why? It's because too many people have too many personal reasons, whether paranoid, as you seem to think, or from evidence (such as I based on the one family member who took it) to avoid this stuff. As a general, mandatory program, well, it didn't take. That's it.

    At this point, governments, businesses, universities, etc. have just quietly backed off like Homer Simpson into the bushes. They don't talk about it, because it's a sore point for a lot of people, and then there have been lawsuits for back-pay too.

    Nobody buys this stupidity anymore. We won. You lost. Give it up, HA.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    Nobody buys this stupidity anymore. We won. You lost. Give it up, HA.

    To paraphrase a line from that queer cowboy movie: these guys just can’t quit COVID.

    Or to paraphrase Humphry Bogart in Casablanca: “We’ll always have COVID.”

    The Coof gave meaning to their lives. They became holy warriors in a righteous cause. The dream will never die, man!

    • LOL: BB753
  215. Anonymous[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA

    You've got to give it up about this vaccine, man! Everyone else has. Within the last 6 months, most foreign countries have dropped any kind of requirements to show proof of vaccination to enter. Big Business has given up trying to force employees to take the shots.

    Why? It's because too many people have too many personal reasons, whether paranoid, as you seem to think, or from evidence (such as I based on the one family member who took it) to avoid this stuff. As a general, mandatory program, well, it didn't take. That's it.

    At this point, governments, businesses, universities, etc. have just quietly backed off like Homer Simpson into the bushes. They don't talk about it, because it's a sore point for a lot of people, and then there have been lawsuits for back-pay too.

    Nobody buys this stupidity anymore. We won. You lost. Give it up, HA.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous

    75% of America is vaccinated. So no, you lost.

    And that includes blaques and illegal aliens. If we’re talking white people it’s like 90% vaccinated.

    You can’t tell anyone you’re unvaccinated without getting “the look”. Everybody instantly suspects you of schizophrenia if you say it. It’s the same look they give you if you are missing front teeth. Instant crazy homeless man stigmatization for life. Best believe this has socioeconomic repercussions.

    • Thanks: HA
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anonymous

    That's Blue State America (i.e. large cities full of Diversity). In Red State America we look at you with pity and disgust if you tell us you got the government jab.

    Covid is driving the long overdue geographic sorting of America along ethno-cultural fault lines.

    Replies: @Anon, @Corvinus

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    Well, that was timely, as I just told a couple this yesterday. The lady was an RN, and that's why the subject came up. "My REDACTED family member is a floor nurse too. They threatened to fire her 20 months ago for not taking a shot, and now she doesn't even take flu shots." Yet, there she is, making thirty-something an hour, and more at night and on weekends, right there, on the floor. So fuck all of them!

    Same with the guy at the "tech" company in my family who was going to simply retire with a good benefits package, till final 5 hours, when his immediate boss got his waiver pushed through. Still there. Now, he HAS to come in, on Tuesdays per one big boss and Wednesdays per another big boss. Whaaah? But, but, a year ago you said he couldn't even play Ultimate Frisbee with the guys on the big fields, cause... unscannable! vaccinated!!

    Then there's me. Still working. Fuck 'em all. You too.

  216. @Pixo
    @Corvinus

    “ Is it fair to say then that Trump is a liar in this regard?”

    Obviously.

    “Now, how exactly did these two types of election theft lead to Trump losing?”

    They probably didn’t, as they are concentrated in states with no voter ID and large immigrant populations. So not Wisconsin, NH, and Michigan.

    If non-citizen migrants are 25% of the voting age population and 5% of them vote, and turnout among citizens is 50%, that means non citizens cast more than 3% of votes, and probably a net 2% for Democrats. More than enough to swing many close elections in AZ, NV, CO, WA, and suburban areas of CA where the GOP is still competitive.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “If non-citizen migrants are 25% of the voting age population and 5% of them vote, and turnout among citizens is 50%, that means non citizens cast more than 3% of votes, and probably a net 2% for Democrats. More than enough to swing many close elections in AZ, NV, CO, WA, and suburban areas of CA where the GOP is still competitive. ”

    This claim was also made by Trump. How are we supposed to believe him given how much he lies?

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-report-trump-advances-false-claim-3-5-million-voted-illegally

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/19/fact-check-claim-voting-noncitizens-2020-election-unverified/6237115002/

  217. @Truth Vigilante
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):
     
    Good stuff Gnostic.

    And since we're on the topic of the ludicrous antics of the face mask wearers and Socialist Distancers, we have this 3 min video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feBb03kJ6UM

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @BB753, @Mike Tre

    Covid was literally a dream come true for neurotic wannabe-tyrants.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Covid was literally a dream come true for neurotic wannabe-tyrants.
     
    Yeah, like HA.
  218. @Bragadocious
    @Arclight


    America’s culture has been our most devastating export

     

    I don't know where you get the idea that Oz's problems are America's fault. First of all, Australians are very smug about their country and will deflect any alleged problems with the catch-all "well at least we don't have mass shootings like the Yanks." This is used throughout the Anglosphere as a put-down of America and as a propaganda wedge to weaken gun rights here. (It won't work btw)

    In other words, Oz celebrates its differences from the U.S., aggressively so. If American culture actually infiltrated Oz, they'd be lining up to buy AR-15s. But they're not doing that--they can't, and they'll tell you that's how it should be.

    As for the race/equity stuff, I think you'll find that started in Britain. We've already established that the 1619/1776 psy-op being peddled by the NY Times is an outgrowth of 200-year-old British propaganda: the Founding Fathers wanted to expand slavery, America is based on lies and deceit, etc. etc. All cooked up in London.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “As for the race/equity stuff, I think you’ll find that started in Britain. “

    Please, I beg you, show us on the doll where the Brit hurt you.

    The only smidgeon of truth there is explained by Churchill (describing 30s/40s UK):

    “In countries where there is only one race, broad and lofty views are taken of the colour problem”

    In Victorian Britain a plausible rogue could make a good living from well-meaning people, some things don’t change:

    “I made no observations on his ignorance, but inquired how he liked being a slave? He said not at all; that it was very bad to be a slave, as a slave was forced to work. I asked him if he did not work now that he was free? He said very seldom; that he did not like work, and that it did not agree with him. I asked how he came into England, and he said that wishing to see England, he had come over with a gentleman as his servant, but that as soon as he got there, he had left his master, as he did not like work.

    I asked him how he contrived to live in England without working? He said that any black might live in England without working; that all he had to do was to attend religious meetings, and speak against slavery and the Americans. I asked him if he had done so. He said he had, and that the religious people were very kind to him, and gave him money, and that a religious lady was going to marry him. I asked him if he knew anything about the Americans? He said he did, and that they were very bad people, who kept slaves and flogged them.

    “And quite right too,” said I, “if they are lazy rascals like yourself, who want to eat without working. What a pretty set of knaves or fools must they be, who encourage a fellow like you to speak against negro slavery, of the necessity for which you yourself are a living instance, and against a people of whom you know as much as of French or Spanish.” Then leaving the black, who made no other answer to what I said, than by spitting with considerable force in the direction of the river, I continued making my second compass of the city upon the wall.”

    George Borrow, Wild Wales. Borrow’s free ways with speech were probably encouraged by his impressive size and strength. He was a prodigious walker, once walking non-stop from London to Norwich.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/648/648-h/648-h.htm

  219. @Truth Vigilante
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):
     
    Good stuff Gnostic.

    And since we're on the topic of the ludicrous antics of the face mask wearers and Socialist Distancers, we have this 3 min video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feBb03kJ6UM

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @BB753, @Mike Tre

    Lol, the bald man running scared from the unmasked customer and his daughter is a real pussy! I’ll grant our overlords this, they pulled the greatest psy-op in history off!

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @BB753

    Referencing the video I posted in comment # 203, you wrote:


    Lol, the bald man running scared from the unmasked customer and his daughter is a real pussy!
     
    That bald bloke is indicative of the type of people that religiously wore face masks, did Socialist Distancing in their damp and dingy basements, lined up like good little automatons to get the clot shots etc.
    These type of people are COWARDS and match the profile of the paedophile looking guy in that video.

    I never wore a face mask for one second in my country (I live in Australia) despite the heavy penalties involved for not doing so.
    I went into supermarkets, shopping malls, travelled on pubic transport and got into a few confrontations with people. No problem.

    I recall one incident when I was about to enter a supermarket, and the young lady at the entrance stopped me and said I could not enter without a mask. I replied that I didn't need to wear one.
    She called the store manager and this is what transpired ( a bit of a crowd had meanwhile gathered to watch the histrionics):

    Store Manager: You are not allowed to enter the store without a mask. This is the store policy.

    Me: I don't need to wear a mask. It is deleterious to my health. (A true statement - because we KNOW masks, even the N95 mask, do nothing to prevent viral transmission and in fact causes more harm than good).

    SM: Are you suffering from some affliction that prevents you from wearing a mask ? What is it ? Do you have a medical exemption ? (Note: I did not have a medical exemption).

    Me: If I were a litigious person, I could sue your store for what you just said to me and you would be fired. My medical history is something that is private between doctor and patient.
    You broke the law by asking me what ailment I was afflicted with.
    Fortunately for you, I'm a nice bloke and will not pursue that matter if you'd kindly get out of my way and let me do my shopping.

    SM: Oh, I'm so sorry sir to have inconvenienced you. You have a pleasant shopping experience.

    At the time some of the shoppers who had been watching this gave a muffled cheer, and I could see one or two of them lowering their face masks below to throat level, and proceed to shop that way.
    One lady approached me in the car park later on and congratulated me for what I did.
    She said she used to shop maskless but got tired of big burly blokes approaching her, shouting and intimidating her for not wearing one (she was all of 5 foot tall on her tippy toes), so she just wore one to avoid the hassle.

    SUMMARY: If only a small portion of society had done what I did (ie: perhaps 5% of the population), and stood up to the Covid tyranny and said:

    'NO MASKS FOR ME, no socialist distancing, no curfews, I'm not closing down my small business (my family home is collateral for a loan to finance my business and if it fails I lose my home), this whole Covid Psyop is B.S', ...

    .... then this whole scamdemic would have been shut down within a couple of weeks.
    They can't arrest all of us. The establishment tyrants would have backed down and the whole scam would have petered out.
     
    But because most vaxxed-to-the-max people are like that bald headed person I featured in my video (ie: spineless cowards and busy-bodies), we find we are where we are today.
  220. @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It's less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you'd have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing. And the rest of what you are saying is just blather. I don't get what satisfaction you derive from just spewing out word clouds when you have no understanding of what the underlying issue even is.

    Replies: @Mark G., @HA

    Insurance industry and funeral home industry statistical data brings into question how honest the government was on this. Just the fact of lack of government transparency and the obvious government attempts to pressure private organizations like Twitter to censor anything critical of the vaccines caused a lot of resistance to the vaccines. It ended up backfiring on them because it helped lead to public rejection of the vaccines.

    The options presented by the vaccine proponents were vax versus no vax. They ignored that some individual doctors had good success with early treatment programs involving various drugs and nutritional supplements. There were also preventative programs involving these same methods. It changes the risk-benefit analysis if there is a third option. I went over a year without getting Covid while taking some nutritional supplements like vitamin D, zinc, and quercetin. It was only after someone else caused me to be in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital that I finally got it.

    This blocking of potential early treatments by threatening doctors with the loss of their medical licenses, censorship efforts, treatment of anyone with questions as mental inferiors not deserving respect, and lack of provision of good objective government statistical data led to eventual public rejection of the vaccines. If not for that, more people might have gotten them and might still be getting them. The vax proponents were their own worst enemies but, of course, can’t see that.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mark G.

    For a while "anti-vaxxer" was the "racist" of 2021.

    People got quite religious about it. It didn't stop you getting covid (unlike most vaccines) it didn't stop you passing it on, yet apparently the jabbed were the saints and the unjabbed the sinners.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Mark G.


    There were also preventative programs involving these same methods. It changes the risk-benefit analysis if there is a third option.
     
    Yep. What we need is honest science that actually weighs cost-benefit ratios. What we've got is a fully captured bureaucracy that works for the interests of Pharma and Insurance companies. Every incentive is to push expensive, profit-generating interventions. When it comes to an "ounce of prevention," like taking Vitamin D or getting some exercise, it's not even on their radar. Instead, they push crap like Remdesivir at $3,400 a pop.
  221. @Mark G.
    @Hypnotoad666

    Insurance industry and funeral home industry statistical data brings into question how honest the government was on this. Just the fact of lack of government transparency and the obvious government attempts to pressure private organizations like Twitter to censor anything critical of the vaccines caused a lot of resistance to the vaccines. It ended up backfiring on them because it helped lead to public rejection of the vaccines.

    The options presented by the vaccine proponents were vax versus no vax. They ignored that some individual doctors had good success with early treatment programs involving various drugs and nutritional supplements. There were also preventative programs involving these same methods. It changes the risk-benefit analysis if there is a third option. I went over a year without getting Covid while taking some nutritional supplements like vitamin D, zinc, and quercetin. It was only after someone else caused me to be in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital that I finally got it.

    This blocking of potential early treatments by threatening doctors with the loss of their medical licenses, censorship efforts, treatment of anyone with questions as mental inferiors not deserving respect, and lack of provision of good objective government statistical data led to eventual public rejection of the vaccines. If not for that, more people might have gotten them and might still be getting them. The vax proponents were their own worst enemies but, of course, can't see that.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666

    For a while “anti-vaxxer” was the “racist” of 2021.

    People got quite religious about it. It didn’t stop you getting covid (unlike most vaccines) it didn’t stop you passing it on, yet apparently the jabbed were the saints and the unjabbed the sinners.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  222. @Truth Vigilante
    @Corvinus

    Curvanus writes:


    The primary counter offensive [by the Judeo-Ukranian regime] has not yet begun.
     
    Oh, you mean the counter offensive with their 14-17 yr old school boys/old men conscript army ? (seeing as the professional Ukrainian army they began the war with has long ago been decimated).

    Corvanus, you're a joke. You're almost as bad as John's Johnson.
    Give up man, your dream of a resurrected Khazaria 2.0 is dead and buried.

    You'll have to get used to the fact that there will be no relocation of your kinfolk from the Apartheid Israeli state to greener pastures.
    The illegal colonial oppressors in Occupied Palestine have probably got a few more years, where they can hold on to that barren wasteland in the Negev Desert.
    Thereafter they'll have to return to their shit-hole shtetls like Krakow Poland, from whence they originally came.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Oh, you mean the counter offensive with their 14-17 yr old school boys/old men conscript army ? (seeing as the professional Ukrainian army they began the war with has long ago been decimated).”

    No, the Ukrainian Army that is defending their homeland from Putin, a Deep State oligarch who poisons his political opponents and curbs dissent.

    “Corvanus, you’re a joke. You’re almost as bad as John’s Johnson”.

    All your lies are belong to us.

    “You’ll have to get used to the fact that there will be no relocation of your kinfolk from the Apartheid Israeli state to greener pastures.”

    I’m white, my friend. Why do you hate my kind?

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @Corvinus


    I’m white, my friend. Why do you hate my kind?
     
    As white as Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Janet Yellen or Baron Yacob Rothschild?:

    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/i?id=ddb588befa7e4c04361995f4602ff8a2d6d088f5-8254957-images-thumbs&n=13

    Replies: @Corvinus

  223. @Mark G.
    @Hypnotoad666

    Insurance industry and funeral home industry statistical data brings into question how honest the government was on this. Just the fact of lack of government transparency and the obvious government attempts to pressure private organizations like Twitter to censor anything critical of the vaccines caused a lot of resistance to the vaccines. It ended up backfiring on them because it helped lead to public rejection of the vaccines.

    The options presented by the vaccine proponents were vax versus no vax. They ignored that some individual doctors had good success with early treatment programs involving various drugs and nutritional supplements. There were also preventative programs involving these same methods. It changes the risk-benefit analysis if there is a third option. I went over a year without getting Covid while taking some nutritional supplements like vitamin D, zinc, and quercetin. It was only after someone else caused me to be in a serious accident that sent me to the hospital that I finally got it.

    This blocking of potential early treatments by threatening doctors with the loss of their medical licenses, censorship efforts, treatment of anyone with questions as mental inferiors not deserving respect, and lack of provision of good objective government statistical data led to eventual public rejection of the vaccines. If not for that, more people might have gotten them and might still be getting them. The vax proponents were their own worst enemies but, of course, can't see that.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666

    There were also preventative programs involving these same methods. It changes the risk-benefit analysis if there is a third option.

    Yep. What we need is honest science that actually weighs cost-benefit ratios. What we’ve got is a fully captured bureaucracy that works for the interests of Pharma and Insurance companies. Every incentive is to push expensive, profit-generating interventions. When it comes to an “ounce of prevention,” like taking Vitamin D or getting some exercise, it’s not even on their radar. Instead, they push crap like Remdesivir at $3,400 a pop.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  224. HA says:
    @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    As noted, the latest data show that the bug juice is significantly less deadly than the bug itself, but feel free to skip the actual science and stick with the Facebook memes, black sheep Kennedys and the anti-vaxx “experts”.....
     
    I have news for you 'HA', what your second cousin (CDC Director Rochelle Walensky) and Anthony Fauci said during the Covid Psyop, is NOT the 'science'.
    These individuals are PAID LIARS, and only gullible automatons like yourself are unable to see that.
    I suggest you scroll up to my comment # 104 and review the actual objective 'latest data' and see for yourself that, in the case of Australia:

    1) One solitary individual died in the whole country from Covid in the first 6 months of 2021 (ie: a time when very few had taken the jab, as the rollout was many months later than in the U.S)

    2) IMMEDIATELY after a critical threshold of Aussies had taken the clot shots (ie: soon after mid 2021), we had a THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in Covid mortality in the second half of 2021, in comparison to the first half of that year.

    This was also the case in many other countries that, unlike the U.S, were more honest in compiling their Covid mortality statistics.

    Take Taiwan for instance (open the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Taiwan') :

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan/

    As you can see, the number of deaths BEFORE the introduction of the vaxx was negligible - virtually a flat line.
    After the toxic clot shots were introduced, it went ballistic.

    SUMMARY: You are a Clueless Clown 'HA'. I've been watching your commentary and you are among the least informed disinfo peddlers here.

    Tell your Big Pharma benefactors that the UR readers are wise to you.
     

    Replies: @HA

    “IMMEDIATELY after a critical threshold of Aussies had taken the clot shots (ie: soon after mid 2021), we had a THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in Covid mortality in the second half of 2021, in comparison to the first half of that year.”

    It just keeps getting more pathetic. Riddle me this, oh fearless truth vigilante, did that “critical threshold of Aussies” just so happen to be accompanied by a RELAXATION OF LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS that had been in place prior to the vaccine being available? Because that’s typically how the narrative unfolded in most of the rest of the world. If so, then you got to factor in the removal of those lockdown restrictions, otherwise your oh-so-selective finger pointing will convince no one. And how many of those Covid mortalities were from people who declined to get that so-called clot shot?

    Factor all that in and get back to me. Until then remember this: No one said the vaccine is as good as an iron-clad lockdown, and if that’s what you’re implicitly arguing for — and apparently, it is — then be careful of what you wish for.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    Riddle me this, oh fearless truth vigilante, did that “critical threshold of Aussies” just so happen to be accompanied by a RELAXATION OF LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS that had been in place prior to the vaccine being available?
     
    HA, you're not very attentive, are you ? I suggest you RE-READ what I wrote again.

    Let me go over the salient points once more:

    1) ALL of Australia (other than the Socialist stronghold of Victoria), was freely moving about with scarcely any restrictions in the first half of 2021. (ie: everything open, schools open, mask wearing optional in many locales, tens of thousands attending sports fixtures in packed stadiums - nearly all being maskless etc).

    2) During this time there was only ONE RECORDED COVID DEATH in the whole eff'n country and next to no one had taken the clot shots.

    3) In late June/early July the authorities in EVERY STATE AND TERRITORY put everyone into HARD lockdown*.
    (Note: at that time there was NO ONE DYING from Covid so most people were extremely surprised at this heavy handedness which seems to be happening for no reason)

    4) Concurrent with the locking down, the Federal government went on a 24/7 blitz of the airwaves and print media saying a deadly wave of Covid was coming our way and that the only way to ensure your health was to immediately get the experimental mRNA gene therapy jabs that masquerades as a vaccine, which had NOT** undergone any long term Randomised Control Trials (RCT's).

    (** In fact we now know that there were NO SHORT TERM Randomised Double-Blind Placebo controlled clinical trials, seeing as they were unblinded early on and they were certainly not randomised. ie: not tested on children or the very old, not tested on pregnant women, not tested on those that had multiple comorbidities etc.

    Simply put, the trials were a SHAM - little wonder then that Pfizer requested that the trial data be sealed for 75 years.
    After all, if they were on the up and up, WHY the need to hide the trial data ?

    5) So, subjected to the ceaseless bombardment of scare mongering, the lumpen proletariat in Australia rushed out and took the clot shots soon after mid 2021.
    End Result: A precipitous rise in mortality that coincided PRECISE:Y with the implementation of lockdowns and the rollout of the vaxx.

    Bottom Line: Contrary to your nonsensical assertion that Covid mortality is associated with relaxation of lockdowns, real world outcomes show the EXACT OPPOSITE.

    ie: in those places where people are allowed to go about their normal business, get out in the sunshine and absorb immune system enhancing Vitamin D and fresh air, these places have the BEST OUTCOMES.
    This is what happened in the vast majority of countries on the planet.
     

    No doubt you'll come back and show me some dubious data from an outlier country (like the U.S) that suggested otherwise.
    All I can say to that is that your 'wise overlords' that run the U.S lie to you about:

    1) The rate of inflation (it is actually double what you're told - refer to the output of John Williams of ShadowStats.com)
    2) The GDP growth (they tamper with the GDP deflator so as to yield positive GDP growth - when in fact the reality is that the U.S has been in recession for most of the 15 years since the 2008 GFC)
    3) The rate of unemployment (it is actually far greater than your government tells you.

    And that's not to mention the other lies Americans are told about (JFK coup d'etat, 9/11, fake manned moon missions, the Holohoax, Anthropogenic Global Warming etc, etc).

    In other words, your [U.S] government lies to you about everything. The stats they'e giving you for the Covid Psyop are no exception.

    Replies: @HA

  225. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    The excess graph is what it is — whether it makes you trust the medical establishment more or less is up to you. The fact that the graph shows alarmingly huge spikes — similar to those recorded around the world — right about the time that a novel virus was first identified and later sequenced, and that the bump in deaths was in rough conformity with tallies of “cause-of-death-was-COVID” on coroners’ reports makes me suspect that all those things are somehow connected, but again, the choice is yours.
     
    "Excess Deaths" already has a lot of processing in it? Excess compared to what? What is the baseline that is being subtracted off. I would prefer to see the raw data - how many deaths in total, and how did they increase.

    Your strawmanning not withstanding I never denied that COVID killed people. Although - and what you lot seem determined to ignore - is the likelihood that a lot of that uptick in deaths were people who were killed by the medical profession itself with treatments that were often worse than the disease

    You hysterical ninnies were wrong and that fact is becoming more apparent every day.

    Maybe you should put another mask on and vax-up some more.

    Replies: @HA

    “’Excess Deaths’ already has a lot of processing in it? Excess compared to what? What is the baseline that is being subtracted off. I would prefer to see the raw data – how many deaths in total, and how did they increase.”

    I cited the download instructions above — feel free to massage the data to your heart’s content, but let’s not pretend you’ll be any more objective than the people who were compiling that graph and applying the same consistent methodology since long before COVID came along. I know Achmed Newman was similarly all hot and bothered that the baseline was off and was saying he’d compute his own baseline. You can try asking him since he’s apparently just as loony as you are. But really, if you’re too blind or stupid to visually integrate those multi-year spikes on that graph and recognize for yourself that something far more serious than “just-a-nothingburger-flu” was happening there, you’re beyond the point where actual data will suffice to convince you of anything.

    “I never denied that COVID killed people.”

    You did choose to be self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. We’ve been through that. You did choose to wave your hands in the air and mutter about deaths due to “mass hysteria” or whatever. Then there was that bogus “lockdown severity index” you cited from some so-called study that some libertarian think thank was paid to spew out on orders from some oligarch or another. I.e. the same old feverish Google-just-until-I-get-the-result-I-want strategy so near and dear to the hearts of the anti-vaxxers.

    But hey, feel free to retconn all that however you like. I know better.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA


    I know Achmed Newman was similarly all hot and bothered that the baseline was off and was saying he’d compute his own baseline.
     
    RTFC! That was 2 years ago, and I linked to it here, in this thread. Yes, 100,000 isn't the whole thing, but the average age of Americans is going up, and that's NOT being taken into account well.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    You did choose to be self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros.
     
    Now, you're just lying. I always thought you were stupid. Apparently, you are also a liar.

    A stupid liar.

    And with the soul of an authoritarian.

    You're arguing with yourself, nitwit. Just about nobody here gives a damn what you think.

  226. HA says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It's less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you'd have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing. And the rest of what you are saying is just blather. I don't get what satisfaction you derive from just spewing out word clouds when you have no understanding of what the underlying issue even is.

    Replies: @Mark G., @HA

    “The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It’s less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you’d have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing.”

    They CDC did exactly that — lines up pretty well with the curves, as it turns out, at least covariance-wise — but as soon as they presented the numbers, the COVID-truther loons started crying about “misclassification” and “PCR thresholds” and whatever other la-la-la-can’t-hear-you tactics six-year-olds use when they want to avoid hearing bad news. That’s what people like you and Achmed always do when the data shows they were flat out wrong, but think the world owes them an apology anyway.

    Again, it was the “nothingburger” crowd that insisted we need a more objective way of looking at this than relying on the pathologists and coroners who do precisely the matching up you speak of, and have been doing it for a living long before COVID came along. I have to admit, it was actually a sensible argument. Look up that link from Hail that I cited earlier, who was the very first person to make a big deal of excess deaths. But of course, that was before the big spikes in that graph came along. Once they did, the nothingburger crowd forgot all about that (or like Hail, tried to play the “nothing to see here” scam on the rest of us) to the extent that some of you apparently still don’t even know what the excess death graph even is. But I didn’t forget. Maybe if I had been dumb enough to get my COVID unvaxxed and unfiltered, I too would be sitting here suffering from the same memory rot that seems to afflict the truthers. But that’s not what happened. If you doubt me, again, feel free to ctrl-f for “Hail” and chase down that link. He wound up with a lot of egg on his face, but at least he knows what an excess death graph is, so he’s one up on you.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    At this point you are just a random word generator.

    Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon

    , @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    Maybe if I had been dumb enough to get my COVID unvaxxed and unfiltered, I too would be sitting here suffering from the same memory rot that seems to afflict the truthers.
     
    Good point you made there 'HA'.

    I need someone like Rochelle Walensky, Anthony Fauci, Klaus Schwab or Rachel Maddow to filter out the wheat from the chaff as far as Covid disinformation goes.

    Yes, yes, I can trust these un-beholden to the cabal individuals. They'd never lie to me.
  227. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hypnotoad666


    All you do is separately calculate excess death rates per each cohort. For example, what was the death rate for each age in 2019. (0-1 yrs old, 1-2 yrs old . . . 99-100 yrs old). How does that compare to 2022 and 2023? Easy peasy if you have the raw data.
     
    The Census Bureau has the population numbers in 5-year wide buckets, Hypno, and the CDC (yeah, I know) has the years' mortality rates given in 10-year buckets. Over 2 years ago, in Hey, what's the deal with excess deaths, anyway?, Peak Stupidity did some calculations using a spreadsheet to come up with the base curve that excess deaths is to be based on using '19 numbers, rather than the average from '15 to '19. The base curve in all those excess death graphs, though very seasonal, were basically flat.

    That's not right, as (AD has noted) Americans are getting older on average fairly quickly. It made a difference of 100,000 or so, making '19 deaths the baseline. However, this was going on in '20 and '21, when Americans were already older than that! Another post, Mortality addendum, links to another article that confirms this problem.

    An average of 1 370 000 deaths were reported over the same months during 2015 to 2019, for a crude excess of 301,400 deaths (128,100 non-COVID-19 deaths). However, the 2020 U.S. population includes 5.04 million more persons aged 65 years and older than the average population in 2015 to 2019 (a 10% increase). After population changes were taken into account, an estimated 217,900 excess deaths occurred from March through August 2020. [my bolding]
     
    Between that significant factor, the earlier deaths due to stupid medical treatments, the deaths of exuberance, the excess death numbers could be significantly inflated as far as representing uniquely Kung Flu deaths.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The Census Bureau has the population numbers in 5-year wide buckets, Hypno, and the CDC (yeah, I know) has the years’ mortality rates given in 10-year buckets.

    I think that, to be 100% precise, the CDC “has” the exact date of every death (compiled from death certificates), but they choose to “publish” the data in big 10-year buckets. Why not publish the data in the most precise form possible? Likewise, there must be a database on vaccination records since they were issuing those little vax verification certificates that were necessary to go to a restaurant, etc. Why not match up the records and see what they show?

    The fact that they won’t do it kinda tells you everything you need to know.

    Although an interesting question would be whether they tested the waters by running numbers internally and then decided, based on the results, to deep six any further analysis. Or, whether they just knew to begin with that they are better off not even touching the issue of outcome analysis with a ten-foot pole.

    50 years from now some historian will probably dig up the answer. In the meantime, the lack of curiosity is pretty amazing. Especially from the knuckleheads who go around talking about “anti-vax idiots” and don’t really care if there are any facts to support their bias.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Hypnotoad666

    I did mean "has", as in, has on their site, Hypno, but very good points.

    From what I know about government and AA, I'd go with the 10' pole thing over the deep-6 thing. No, nobody wants to delve into this thing, as they easily could. They want to let this one cool down slowly, with as little attention given to it as possible.

  228. @Truth Vigilante
    @Anon


    The anti-vaxxers I know .... all, taking health advice from YouTube streamers rather than doctors
     
    Anon, I see you're yet another vaxxed-to-the-maxx moron propagating bald faced lies.

    The doctors advising against the toxic clot shots are the best in their respective fields. ie: people like Dr Peter McCullough, Dr Pierre Kory, Prof Sucharit Bhakdi, Prof Wolfgang Wodarg, Prof John Ioannides (Stanford), Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, Yale's School of Public Health Prof Harvey Risch, the internationally acclaimed Dr Vernon Coleman, to name just a handful among many.

    Let's have a closer look at Peter McCullough's resume, by way of example:


    Professor at Texas A & M College of Medicine, President, Cardiorenal Society of America, Editor-in-Chief, Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, Senior Associate Editor, American Journal of Cardiology and others.

    He has written 46 peer-reviewed publications on COVID-19 and is considered among the world’s EXPERTS on the topic, testifying in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in November 2020, and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, in the Colorado General Assembly, and in the New Hampshire Senate, concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.

    He’s an epidemiologist and in those fields he specialises in (Cardio/Renal), he is the most published medical professional in the world, in HISTORY.
     
    Let's hear what a Nobel Laureate had to say about the correlation between the clot shots and mortality:

    https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1638663681523.jpg

    SUMMARY: Meanwhile, someone like RFK Jr may be a lawyer, but never lose sight of the fact that he's just the MESSENGER.
    And in that capacity he is conveying the findings of the VERY BEST infectious disease epidemiologists, virologists and such on the planet.

    When RFK Jr speaks of the danger of the clot shots, he didn't conjure up those beliefs from a bad dream he had.

    Everything he says is based on the most objective peer reviewed science.
    You can take that to the bank.
     

    Replies: @Anon

    >John Ioannides

    More anti-vaxxer lies:

    I celebrate the scientific progress made since 2020. I wasn’t “cynical” about vaccines and treatments, but elated to see effective interventions developed faster than most scientists expected. We should promote their evidence-based use.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/30/i-did-not-mock-those-who-were-worried-about-covid-19

  229. @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It’s less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you’d have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing."

    They CDC did exactly that -- lines up pretty well with the curves, as it turns out, at least covariance-wise -- but as soon as they presented the numbers, the COVID-truther loons started crying about "misclassification" and "PCR thresholds" and whatever other la-la-la-can't-hear-you tactics six-year-olds use when they want to avoid hearing bad news. That's what people like you and Achmed always do when the data shows they were flat out wrong, but think the world owes them an apology anyway.

    Again, it was the "nothingburger" crowd that insisted we need a more objective way of looking at this than relying on the pathologists and coroners who do precisely the matching up you speak of, and have been doing it for a living long before COVID came along. I have to admit, it was actually a sensible argument. Look up that link from Hail that I cited earlier, who was the very first person to make a big deal of excess deaths. But of course, that was before the big spikes in that graph came along. Once they did, the nothingburger crowd forgot all about that (or like Hail, tried to play the "nothing to see here" scam on the rest of us) to the extent that some of you apparently still don't even know what the excess death graph even is. But I didn't forget. Maybe if I had been dumb enough to get my COVID unvaxxed and unfiltered, I too would be sitting here suffering from the same memory rot that seems to afflict the truthers. But that's not what happened. If you doubt me, again, feel free to ctrl-f for "Hail" and chase down that link. He wound up with a lot of egg on his face, but at least he knows what an excess death graph is, so he's one up on you.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante

    At this point you are just a random word generator.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "At this point you are just a random word generator."

    Given that you're someone who apparently doesn't even know what excess death curves are -- but nonetheless persists in arguing about how they're incorrect -- I'm not surprised you see it that way. Your profound memory lapses (or inability to pay attention the first time around) probably don't help either.

    I feel the same way as you do when I hear Kurdish or some other language I know almost nothing about being spoken. But at least I don't start with the speaker about how he's doing it wrong.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Hypnotoad666


    @HA

    At this point you are just a random word generator.
     
    Even a random word generator might occasionally say something that's right. I don't believe that HA ever did.
  230. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    75% of America is vaccinated. So no, you lost.

    And that includes blaques and illegal aliens. If we're talking white people it's like 90% vaccinated.

    You can't tell anyone you're unvaccinated without getting "the look". Everybody instantly suspects you of schizophrenia if you say it. It's the same look they give you if you are missing front teeth. Instant crazy homeless man stigmatization for life. Best believe this has socioeconomic repercussions.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s Blue State America (i.e. large cities full of Diversity). In Red State America we look at you with pity and disgust if you tell us you got the government jab.

    Covid is driving the long overdue geographic sorting of America along ethno-cultural fault lines.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Well Jesus Shit, JimBob. You need to pull up a map of the diversity in America. It is found mostly in red state America. Us white people live in the Democrat states, which seem to stay purdy white. You half breeds in the south look at your Mexican and African cousins with disgust. Since you're drowning in them. Or should I say frying? Ethno-cultural fault lines, my ass. More like schizophrenia, obsessive compulsve-defiant, and consanguinity fault lines.


    https://www.vividmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/yw3vjzyfosc.jpg

    , @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "In Red State America we look at you with pity and disgust if you tell us you got the government jab."

    LOL, you live in Virginia!

    "Covid is driving the long overdue geographic sorting of America along ethno-cultural fault lines."

    You are the super minority with this position. It's ghastly, considering your own wife is an Ellis Islander and your own daughter has, as have so eloquently characterized this situation in the past, a "vibrant" child. I would suspect that is the reason for your newfound enmity.

  231. @Truth Vigilante
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    (This is what rational, scientifically-informed behavior looks like):
     
    Good stuff Gnostic.

    And since we're on the topic of the ludicrous antics of the face mask wearers and Socialist Distancers, we have this 3 min video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feBb03kJ6UM

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @BB753, @Mike Tre

    That was Steve when he went grocery shopping.

  232. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    75% of America is vaccinated. So no, you lost.

    And that includes blaques and illegal aliens. If we're talking white people it's like 90% vaccinated.

    You can't tell anyone you're unvaccinated without getting "the look". Everybody instantly suspects you of schizophrenia if you say it. It's the same look they give you if you are missing front teeth. Instant crazy homeless man stigmatization for life. Best believe this has socioeconomic repercussions.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, that was timely, as I just told a couple this yesterday. The lady was an RN, and that’s why the subject came up. “My REDACTED family member is a floor nurse too. They threatened to fire her 20 months ago for not taking a shot, and now she doesn’t even take flu shots.” Yet, there she is, making thirty-something an hour, and more at night and on weekends, right there, on the floor. So fuck all of them!

    Same with the guy at the “tech” company in my family who was going to simply retire with a good benefits package, till final 5 hours, when his immediate boss got his waiver pushed through. Still there. Now, he HAS to come in, on Tuesdays per one big boss and Wednesdays per another big boss. Whaaah? But, but, a year ago you said he couldn’t even play Ultimate Frisbee with the guys on the big fields, cause… unscannable! vaccinated!!

    Then there’s me. Still working. Fuck ’em all. You too.

  233. @Hypnotoad666
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The Census Bureau has the population numbers in 5-year wide buckets, Hypno, and the CDC (yeah, I know) has the years’ mortality rates given in 10-year buckets.
     
    I think that, to be 100% precise, the CDC "has" the exact date of every death (compiled from death certificates), but they choose to "publish" the data in big 10-year buckets. Why not publish the data in the most precise form possible? Likewise, there must be a database on vaccination records since they were issuing those little vax verification certificates that were necessary to go to a restaurant, etc. Why not match up the records and see what they show?

    The fact that they won't do it kinda tells you everything you need to know.

    Although an interesting question would be whether they tested the waters by running numbers internally and then decided, based on the results, to deep six any further analysis. Or, whether they just knew to begin with that they are better off not even touching the issue of outcome analysis with a ten-foot pole.

    50 years from now some historian will probably dig up the answer. In the meantime, the lack of curiosity is pretty amazing. Especially from the knuckleheads who go around talking about "anti-vax idiots" and don't really care if there are any facts to support their bias.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I did mean “has”, as in, has on their site, Hypno, but very good points.

    From what I know about government and AA, I’d go with the 10′ pole thing over the deep-6 thing. No, nobody wants to delve into this thing, as they easily could. They want to let this one cool down slowly, with as little attention given to it as possible.

  234. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    “'Excess Deaths' already has a lot of processing in it? Excess compared to what? What is the baseline that is being subtracted off. I would prefer to see the raw data – how many deaths in total, and how did they increase."

    I cited the download instructions above -- feel free to massage the data to your heart's content, but let's not pretend you'll be any more objective than the people who were compiling that graph and applying the same consistent methodology since long before COVID came along. I know Achmed Newman was similarly all hot and bothered that the baseline was off and was saying he'd compute his own baseline. You can try asking him since he's apparently just as loony as you are. But really, if you're too blind or stupid to visually integrate those multi-year spikes on that graph and recognize for yourself that something far more serious than "just-a-nothingburger-flu" was happening there, you're beyond the point where actual data will suffice to convince you of anything.

    "I never denied that COVID killed people."

    You did choose to be self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. We've been through that. You did choose to wave your hands in the air and mutter about deaths due to "mass hysteria" or whatever. Then there was that bogus "lockdown severity index" you cited from some so-called study that some libertarian think thank was paid to spew out on orders from some oligarch or another. I.e. the same old feverish Google-just-until-I-get-the-result-I-want strategy so near and dear to the hearts of the anti-vaxxers.

    But hey, feel free to retconn all that however you like. I know better.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon

    I know Achmed Newman was similarly all hot and bothered that the baseline was off and was saying he’d compute his own baseline.

    RTFC! That was 2 years ago, and I linked to it here, in this thread. Yes, 100,000 isn’t the whole thing, but the average age of Americans is going up, and that’s NOT being taken into account well.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    " That was 2 years ago, ..."

    And Hail's big "let's all focus on the excess death curves" diatribe came well before that. Like I said, some people have a working memories -- not to mention actual links to the actual comments -- and seeing all that squirming and all that egg-on-the-face once those spikes started appearing is, well, memorable. Note he doesn't show his face much around here anymore -- I heard at some point he claimed it was because he got tired of all the arguing. Yeah, right. I'm sure that's the only possible reason.

    All this to say, don't try pulling any of that "we were right all along" truther nonsense on me.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  235. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    That's not even an insult or retort. We're all going to die around age 80; what happens to our corpse is utterly immaterial--it's not You and the party is going on without you; and the notion that we are entitled to unlimited public funds or our soon-to-be heir's funds to infinitessimally postpone our inevitable death is warped.

    Replies: @Ennui

    I’m old enough to remember people born in the 1890’s. They were far more stoic about death and growing old. There wasn’t this pathetic attempt to postpone aging or death.

    The “greatest” generation was when the stoicism started to slip, the Silents have proven tenacious in grasping on to power and a public presence with their talons. God help us,, the boomers will not go silently into the night.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ennui

    It's unseemly. Gene Hackman's a stooped, really old guy so he moved to Santa Fe and does stooped, really old guy things. Cf. De Niro and Pacino who shot off into absurdly younger women and will be dead by their kid's second grade. Madonna is fighting for her life at age 64 because she takes steroids and tries to maintain 20-something body mass at age 64. Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein all acting like they're dialed in instead of at death's door. Even the god-emperor Trump, who's trying to relive the 88%-white 1980s.

    We shut down a third of the economy and spent billions on marginally useful jabs for old diabetics. Time to move on.

    Replies: @BB753

  236. HA says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    At this point you are just a random word generator.

    Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon

    “At this point you are just a random word generator.”

    Given that you’re someone who apparently doesn’t even know what excess death curves are — but nonetheless persists in arguing about how they’re incorrect — I’m not surprised you see it that way. Your profound memory lapses (or inability to pay attention the first time around) probably don’t help either.

    I feel the same way as you do when I hear Kurdish or some other language I know almost nothing about being spoken. But at least I don’t start with the speaker about how he’s doing it wrong.

  237. HA says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @HA


    I know Achmed Newman was similarly all hot and bothered that the baseline was off and was saying he’d compute his own baseline.
     
    RTFC! That was 2 years ago, and I linked to it here, in this thread. Yes, 100,000 isn't the whole thing, but the average age of Americans is going up, and that's NOT being taken into account well.

    Replies: @HA

    ” That was 2 years ago, …”

    And Hail’s big “let’s all focus on the excess death curves” diatribe came well before that. Like I said, some people have a working memories — not to mention actual links to the actual comments — and seeing all that squirming and all that egg-on-the-face once those spikes started appearing is, well, memorable. Note he doesn’t show his face much around here anymore — I heard at some point he claimed it was because he got tired of all the arguing. Yeah, right. I’m sure that’s the only possible reason.

    All this to say, don’t try pulling any of that “we were right all along” truther nonsense on me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    All this to say, don’t try pulling any of that “we were right all along” truther nonsense on me.
     
    Yeah, don't pull any of that truther nonsense on HA. He's too smart gullible for that.

    Or on this guy either:

    https://sandrarose.com/2023/06/tv-doctor-and-vaccination-expert-dr-alfredo-victoria-dies-suddenly-at-42/

    BTW - never trust a doctor who sports tattoos.

    Replies: @HA

  238. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anonymous

    That's Blue State America (i.e. large cities full of Diversity). In Red State America we look at you with pity and disgust if you tell us you got the government jab.

    Covid is driving the long overdue geographic sorting of America along ethno-cultural fault lines.

    Replies: @Anon, @Corvinus

    Well Jesus Shit, JimBob. You need to pull up a map of the diversity in America. It is found mostly in red state America. Us white people live in the Democrat states, which seem to stay purdy white. You half breeds in the south look at your Mexican and African cousins with disgust. Since you’re drowning in them. Or should I say frying? Ethno-cultural fault lines, my ass. More like schizophrenia, obsessive compulsve-defiant, and consanguinity fault lines.

  239. @BB753
    @Truth Vigilante

    Lol, the bald man running scared from the unmasked customer and his daughter is a real pussy! I'll grant our overlords this, they pulled the greatest psy-op in history off!

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    Referencing the video I posted in comment # 203, you wrote:

    Lol, the bald man running scared from the unmasked customer and his daughter is a real pussy!

    That bald bloke is indicative of the type of people that religiously wore face masks, did Socialist Distancing in their damp and dingy basements, lined up like good little automatons to get the clot shots etc.
    These type of people are COWARDS and match the profile of the paedophile looking guy in that video.

    I never wore a face mask for one second in my country (I live in Australia) despite the heavy penalties involved for not doing so.
    I went into supermarkets, shopping malls, travelled on pubic transport and got into a few confrontations with people. No problem.

    I recall one incident when I was about to enter a supermarket, and the young lady at the entrance stopped me and said I could not enter without a mask. I replied that I didn’t need to wear one.
    She called the store manager and this is what transpired ( a bit of a crowd had meanwhile gathered to watch the histrionics):

    Store Manager: You are not allowed to enter the store without a mask. This is the store policy.

    Me: I don’t need to wear a mask. It is deleterious to my health. (A true statement – because we KNOW masks, even the N95 mask, do nothing to prevent viral transmission and in fact causes more harm than good).

    SM: Are you suffering from some affliction that prevents you from wearing a mask ? What is it ? Do you have a medical exemption ? (Note: I did not have a medical exemption).

    Me: If I were a litigious person, I could sue your store for what you just said to me and you would be fired. My medical history is something that is private between doctor and patient.
    You broke the law by asking me what ailment I was afflicted with.
    Fortunately for you, I’m a nice bloke and will not pursue that matter if you’d kindly get out of my way and let me do my shopping.

    SM: Oh, I’m so sorry sir to have inconvenienced you. You have a pleasant shopping experience.

    At the time some of the shoppers who had been watching this gave a muffled cheer, and I could see one or two of them lowering their face masks below to throat level, and proceed to shop that way.
    One lady approached me in the car park later on and congratulated me for what I did.
    She said she used to shop maskless but got tired of big burly blokes approaching her, shouting and intimidating her for not wearing one (she was all of 5 foot tall on her tippy toes), so she just wore one to avoid the hassle.

    SUMMARY: If only a small portion of society had done what I did (ie: perhaps 5% of the population), and stood up to the Covid tyranny and said:

    ‘NO MASKS FOR ME, no socialist distancing, no curfews, I’m not closing down my small business (my family home is collateral for a loan to finance my business and if it fails I lose my home), this whole Covid Psyop is B.S’, …

    …. then this whole scamdemic would have been shut down within a couple of weeks.
    They can’t arrest all of us. The establishment tyrants would have backed down and the whole scam would have petered out.

    But because most vaxxed-to-the-max people are like that bald headed person I featured in my video (ie: spineless cowards and busy-bodies), we find we are where we are today.

  240. @Ennui
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I'm old enough to remember people born in the 1890's. They were far more stoic about death and growing old. There wasn't this pathetic attempt to postpone aging or death.

    The "greatest" generation was when the stoicism started to slip, the Silents have proven tenacious in grasping on to power and a public presence with their talons. God help us,, the boomers will not go silently into the night.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s unseemly. Gene Hackman’s a stooped, really old guy so he moved to Santa Fe and does stooped, really old guy things. Cf. De Niro and Pacino who shot off into absurdly younger women and will be dead by their kid’s second grade. Madonna is fighting for her life at age 64 because she takes steroids and tries to maintain 20-something body mass at age 64. Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein all acting like they’re dialed in instead of at death’s door. Even the god-emperor Trump, who’s trying to relive the 88%-white 1980s.

    We shut down a third of the economy and spent billions on marginally useful jabs for old diabetics. Time to move on.

    • Agree: Ennui, BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    At least Biden can still take a fall and not break any bones! Though his mind is totally gone.
    https://youtu.be/SUEBN4aY5BE

  241. This life is only a blip, do what you can for justice but we are fighting against spiritual wickedness in high places, put on the whole armor of God ie the Bible in your heart and much prayer and supplication, we can’t fight satan only our Lord Jesus can.

    With deeds of love and kindness the Heavenly Kingdom Comes.

    10 000 people walking with Christ through the streets of Sydney (11.06.2023)

    Martin Zitrick

  242. @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "IMMEDIATELY after a critical threshold of Aussies had taken the clot shots (ie: soon after mid 2021), we had a THOUSAND FOLD INCREASE in Covid mortality in the second half of 2021, in comparison to the first half of that year."

    It just keeps getting more pathetic. Riddle me this, oh fearless truth vigilante, did that "critical threshold of Aussies" just so happen to be accompanied by a RELAXATION OF LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS that had been in place prior to the vaccine being available? Because that's typically how the narrative unfolded in most of the rest of the world. If so, then you got to factor in the removal of those lockdown restrictions, otherwise your oh-so-selective finger pointing will convince no one. And how many of those Covid mortalities were from people who declined to get that so-called clot shot?

    Factor all that in and get back to me. Until then remember this: No one said the vaccine is as good as an iron-clad lockdown, and if that's what you're implicitly arguing for -- and apparently, it is -- then be careful of what you wish for.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    Riddle me this, oh fearless truth vigilante, did that “critical threshold of Aussies” just so happen to be accompanied by a RELAXATION OF LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS that had been in place prior to the vaccine being available?

    HA, you’re not very attentive, are you ? I suggest you RE-READ what I wrote again.

    Let me go over the salient points once more:

    1) ALL of Australia (other than the Socialist stronghold of Victoria), was freely moving about with scarcely any restrictions in the first half of 2021. (ie: everything open, schools open, mask wearing optional in many locales, tens of thousands attending sports fixtures in packed stadiums – nearly all being maskless etc).

    2) During this time there was only ONE RECORDED COVID DEATH in the whole eff’n country and next to no one had taken the clot shots.

    3) In late June/early July the authorities in EVERY STATE AND TERRITORY put everyone into HARD lockdown*.
    (Note: at that time there was NO ONE DYING from Covid so most people were extremely surprised at this heavy handedness which seems to be happening for no reason)

    4) Concurrent with the locking down, the Federal government went on a 24/7 blitz of the airwaves and print media saying a deadly wave of Covid was coming our way and that the only way to ensure your health was to immediately get the experimental mRNA gene therapy jabs that masquerades as a vaccine, which had NOT** undergone any long term Randomised Control Trials (RCT’s).

    (** In fact we now know that there were NO SHORT TERM Randomised Double-Blind Placebo controlled clinical trials, seeing as they were unblinded early on and they were certainly not randomised. ie: not tested on children or the very old, not tested on pregnant women, not tested on those that had multiple comorbidities etc.

    Simply put, the trials were a SHAM – little wonder then that Pfizer requested that the trial data be sealed for 75 years.
    After all, if they were on the up and up, WHY the need to hide the trial data ?

    5) So, subjected to the ceaseless bombardment of scare mongering, the lumpen proletariat in Australia rushed out and took the clot shots soon after mid 2021.
    End Result: A precipitous rise in mortality that coincided PRECISE:Y with the implementation of lockdowns and the rollout of the vaxx.

    Bottom Line: Contrary to your nonsensical assertion that Covid mortality is associated with relaxation of lockdowns, real world outcomes show the EXACT OPPOSITE.

    ie: in those places where people are allowed to go about their normal business, get out in the sunshine and absorb immune system enhancing Vitamin D and fresh air, these places have the BEST OUTCOMES.
    This is what happened in the vast majority of countries on the planet.

    No doubt you’ll come back and show me some dubious data from an outlier country (like the U.S) that suggested otherwise.
    All I can say to that is that your ‘wise overlords’ that run the U.S lie to you about:

    1) The rate of inflation (it is actually double what you’re told – refer to the output of John Williams of ShadowStats.com)
    2) The GDP growth (they tamper with the GDP deflator so as to yield positive GDP growth – when in fact the reality is that the U.S has been in recession for most of the 15 years since the 2008 GFC)
    3) The rate of unemployment (it is actually far greater than your government tells you.

    And that’s not to mention the other lies Americans are told about (JFK coup d’etat, 9/11, fake manned moon missions, the Holohoax, Anthropogenic Global Warming etc, etc).

    In other words, your [U.S] government lies to you about everything. The stats they’e giving you for the Covid Psyop are no exception.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "No doubt you’ll come back and show me some dubious data from an outlier country (like the U.S) that suggested otherwise."

    No, I'll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed. Giving me some bogus timeline of when the lockdowns were applied is not an answer to the question I posed. And with regard to who is actually doing the dying, I know what the answer is going to be, and I guess so do you, which is why you avoided that question as well and instead went with spewing a bunch of boilerplate anti-vaxx nonsense like a scared squid squirting ink. However black that ink may be, the overall tactic is pathetically transparent.

    And here's a hint if you ever want to bother addressing the actual questions I asked: don't try lumping in, as is the anti-vaxxers wont, unvaxxed 20-year-olds with vaxxed 80-year-olds and then saying that "most of the deaths are of the vaxxed, ergo the vaccines don't work!!!" or something equally specious. We all know that vaxxed 80-year-olds are still unfortunately more likely to die of COVID than unvaxxed 20-year-olds -- the mortality is definitely age-skewed. But when fairly binned (you know, like when actual competent statisticians do the trials instead of anti-vaxxers with a bone to pick), the results are pretty clear, which is why you're reduced to relying on your carefully curated coterie of anti-vaxx quacks while the rest of the world looks to actual scientific trials to figure out how to navigate messes like these. It may give your cheering section solace to intone "we were right all along", but no one whose brain has not been rotted by COVID believes you.

    So spare me. I asked you simple questions and all you did in reply was blow smoke to deflect attention from the fact that the honest answers would have confirmed to us all -- like those spikes in the excess death graphs -- that you're an utter ass. In the future, save your lies for the idiots who apparently don't even know what excess death curves are, but are still dead certain that the CDC is doing them wrong.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  243. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    “'Excess Deaths' already has a lot of processing in it? Excess compared to what? What is the baseline that is being subtracted off. I would prefer to see the raw data – how many deaths in total, and how did they increase."

    I cited the download instructions above -- feel free to massage the data to your heart's content, but let's not pretend you'll be any more objective than the people who were compiling that graph and applying the same consistent methodology since long before COVID came along. I know Achmed Newman was similarly all hot and bothered that the baseline was off and was saying he'd compute his own baseline. You can try asking him since he's apparently just as loony as you are. But really, if you're too blind or stupid to visually integrate those multi-year spikes on that graph and recognize for yourself that something far more serious than "just-a-nothingburger-flu" was happening there, you're beyond the point where actual data will suffice to convince you of anything.

    "I never denied that COVID killed people."

    You did choose to be self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. We've been through that. You did choose to wave your hands in the air and mutter about deaths due to "mass hysteria" or whatever. Then there was that bogus "lockdown severity index" you cited from some so-called study that some libertarian think thank was paid to spew out on orders from some oligarch or another. I.e. the same old feverish Google-just-until-I-get-the-result-I-want strategy so near and dear to the hearts of the anti-vaxxers.

    But hey, feel free to retconn all that however you like. I know better.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon

    You did choose to be self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros.

    Now, you’re just lying. I always thought you were stupid. Apparently, you are also a liar.

    A stupid liar.

    And with the soul of an authoritarian.

    You’re arguing with yourself, nitwit. Just about nobody here gives a damn what you think.

  244. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Truth Vigilante

    Covid was literally a dream come true for neurotic wannabe-tyrants.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Covid was literally a dream come true for neurotic wannabe-tyrants.

    Yeah, like HA.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  245. @Hypnotoad666
    @HA

    At this point you are just a random word generator.

    Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon

    At this point you are just a random word generator.

    Even a random word generator might occasionally say something that’s right. I don’t believe that HA ever did.

  246. @Steve Sailer
    @Truth Vigilante

    I do sleep, you know.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Truth Vigilante

    Steve, the other day I inquired as to why some of my comments, ten or more hours after I posted them, are still ‘awaiting moderation’.
    You courteously responded with:

    ‘I do sleep, you know’.

    That’s great. Sleep is very therapeutic and we should all get more of it.
    In the interim, those original comments of mine that were awaiting moderation have since come through, so thanks for that.

    However, since then I’ve posted other comments – although, once again, many of them did not show up until 6-8 hours after I posted them. Hmmm … most unusual.

    Anyway, I want to draw your attention to a comment of mine that is STILL AWAITING MODERATION MORE THAN TWENTY FOUR (24) HOURS after I posted it.

    On my computer monitor it appears as: Comment # 202, June 29, 12.37 am, 600 words.

    Well, as write this it is approx 3.23am GMT on June 30, 2023.
    ie: it is almost TWENTY SEVEN hours since I posted it and still it ‘awaits moderation’.

    WHY is that Steve ? There are no expletives and racial slurs in said comment. It’s all pretty mild stuff, so why the need to muzzle my comments ?

    WERE YOU SLEEPING FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE LAST TWENTY SIX HOURS ?

    Evidently not, because there are dozens of comments from others that were posted AFTER my comment, and they showed up ‘unmoderated’ soon after they were posted.

    UR readers, are any of you experiencing this ‘extended moderation’ period that Steve Sailer is applying to me ?

    Steve, is it because I post uncomfortable facts that eviscerate the vaxxed-to-the-max narrative ?
    What happened to robust debate ?

    I certainly wouldn’t want you to descend to depths of fools like Michael Hudson (the voodoo economist and Big Government Marxist), who banned me from his threads in UR because I exposed him for being the charlatan and economic illiterate that he is.

    Steve, you’re better than that.

    • Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Truth Vigilante

    I don’t mean to burst your bubble, but it happens to me all the time. You are right, it’s takes you out of the conversation you’re attempting to have with others; things move really quickly.

    Just thought I’d poke my snout into your business…..I rarely do things like that…(ha ha)

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  247. @Corvinus
    @Truth Vigilante

    "Oh, you mean the counter offensive with their 14-17 yr old school boys/old men conscript army ? (seeing as the professional Ukrainian army they began the war with has long ago been decimated)."

    No, the Ukrainian Army that is defending their homeland from Putin, a Deep State oligarch who poisons his political opponents and curbs dissent.

    "Corvanus, you’re a joke. You’re almost as bad as John’s Johnson".

    All your lies are belong to us.

    "You’ll have to get used to the fact that there will be no relocation of your kinfolk from the Apartheid Israeli state to greener pastures."

    I'm white, my friend. Why do you hate my kind?

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    I’m white, my friend. Why do you hate my kind?

    As white as Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Janet Yellen or Baron Yacob Rothschild?:

    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/i?id=ddb588befa7e4c04361995f4602ff8a2d6d088f5-8254957-images-thumbs&n=13

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Truth Vigilante

    “As white as Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Janet Yellen or Baron Yacob Rothschild?:”

    Nope. White like you.

  248. @HA
    @Hypnotoad666

    "The data the CDC gives out is just the aggregate mortality data. It’s less than half of what is necessary. As I explained at a Third Grade level, you’d have to match up the individual deaths with individual vax records and then we could settle this thing."

    They CDC did exactly that -- lines up pretty well with the curves, as it turns out, at least covariance-wise -- but as soon as they presented the numbers, the COVID-truther loons started crying about "misclassification" and "PCR thresholds" and whatever other la-la-la-can't-hear-you tactics six-year-olds use when they want to avoid hearing bad news. That's what people like you and Achmed always do when the data shows they were flat out wrong, but think the world owes them an apology anyway.

    Again, it was the "nothingburger" crowd that insisted we need a more objective way of looking at this than relying on the pathologists and coroners who do precisely the matching up you speak of, and have been doing it for a living long before COVID came along. I have to admit, it was actually a sensible argument. Look up that link from Hail that I cited earlier, who was the very first person to make a big deal of excess deaths. But of course, that was before the big spikes in that graph came along. Once they did, the nothingburger crowd forgot all about that (or like Hail, tried to play the "nothing to see here" scam on the rest of us) to the extent that some of you apparently still don't even know what the excess death graph even is. But I didn't forget. Maybe if I had been dumb enough to get my COVID unvaxxed and unfiltered, I too would be sitting here suffering from the same memory rot that seems to afflict the truthers. But that's not what happened. If you doubt me, again, feel free to ctrl-f for "Hail" and chase down that link. He wound up with a lot of egg on his face, but at least he knows what an excess death graph is, so he's one up on you.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Truth Vigilante

    Maybe if I had been dumb enough to get my COVID unvaxxed and unfiltered, I too would be sitting here suffering from the same memory rot that seems to afflict the truthers.

    Good point you made there ‘HA’.

    I need someone like Rochelle Walensky, Anthony Fauci, Klaus Schwab or Rachel Maddow to filter out the wheat from the chaff as far as Covid disinformation goes.

    Yes, yes, I can trust these un-beholden to the cabal individuals. They’d never lie to me.

  249. @HA
    @Achmed E. Newman

    " That was 2 years ago, ..."

    And Hail's big "let's all focus on the excess death curves" diatribe came well before that. Like I said, some people have a working memories -- not to mention actual links to the actual comments -- and seeing all that squirming and all that egg-on-the-face once those spikes started appearing is, well, memorable. Note he doesn't show his face much around here anymore -- I heard at some point he claimed it was because he got tired of all the arguing. Yeah, right. I'm sure that's the only possible reason.

    All this to say, don't try pulling any of that "we were right all along" truther nonsense on me.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    All this to say, don’t try pulling any of that “we were right all along” truther nonsense on me.

    Yeah, don’t pull any of that truther nonsense on HA. He’s too smart gullible for that.

    Or on this guy either:

    https://sandrarose.com/2023/06/tv-doctor-and-vaccination-expert-dr-alfredo-victoria-dies-suddenly-at-42/

    BTW – never trust a doctor who sports tattoos.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    Ooh, he found a counter-example. SO convincing. That tells me far more about you than the tattooed doctor. But then, I can find you entire websites devoted to just-a-flu bros (even a few medical professional among them) who spouted their anti-vaxx nonsense all over Facebook and then succumbed. Would it convince you? No, of course not. But like the true anti-vaxxer you are, your one carefully curated counter-example trumps all, QED. SO convincing.

    "Now, you’re just lying..."

    And here's Mr. Anon, in reply to a question specifically addressed to the just-a-flu bros, as in "I would assume all the 'just the flu, bro' guys here...".

    How does he choose to reply to that question specifically addressed to the just the flu bros? Why he does that in the FIRST PERSON plural:


    Mr. Anon: No, WE'RE too busy arguing with you...
     
    As I said, the self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. I know you'll have some Orwellian freedom-is-slavely comeback in which you try to convince us that none of that actually means what it actually does, but I'll leave it to more objective readers to determine which of us is the liar here.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon

  250. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fenian Raider
    @Truth Vigilante


    In the rest of Australia outside of Victoria, we were free to mingle, socialise out in the sunshine and thus had ample virus destroying SUNSHINE working to boost our Vitamin D levels.
    To the extent that some of us had this harmless virus called Covid, we transmitted it to others, they quickly got over it, and we all had natural herd immunity in no time.
     
    Wasn't so harmless in Mexico, which had lots of sun and lots of COVID deaths. It's more likely that the lockdown worked but you can't ever admit to being wrong so you made up this BS explanation.

    Then came the toxic clot shots and …. tens of thousands of Aussies have paid with their lives for being gullible enough to have taken it.
     
    Every time I ask an anti-vaxxer for evidence, they never provide it. All they ever have is unsupported assertions and name-calling.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Truth Vigilante, @Anonymous

    Where in Mexico were these deaths? Because Mexico City is high up on a plateau (higher than Denver) which gives it a relatively cool climate. Flu hits cold places much harder than hot places.

    Cold weather and high population density are the two biggest risk factors determining the vulnerability of a locality to COVID.

  251. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anonymous

    That's Blue State America (i.e. large cities full of Diversity). In Red State America we look at you with pity and disgust if you tell us you got the government jab.

    Covid is driving the long overdue geographic sorting of America along ethno-cultural fault lines.

    Replies: @Anon, @Corvinus

    “In Red State America we look at you with pity and disgust if you tell us you got the government jab.”

    LOL, you live in Virginia!

    “Covid is driving the long overdue geographic sorting of America along ethno-cultural fault lines.”

    You are the super minority with this position. It’s ghastly, considering your own wife is an Ellis Islander and your own daughter has, as have so eloquently characterized this situation in the past, a “vibrant” child. I would suspect that is the reason for your newfound enmity.

  252. UR readers, please take the time to watch this 13 min video featuring RFK Jr in a recent Town Hall meeting, as he answers questions on his alleged ‘anti-vaxx’ stance (trust me, you won’t regret it):

    I particularly liked what followed after some non-entity physician, in his smug little way, asked RFK Jr:
    ‘How can we help you to come to the side of science?’ (implying that he knew what the actual ‘science’ was and that Bobby Jr didn’t).

    The response from Bobby Jr was a thing to behold. Just bear in mind that there were no cue cards, no teleprompters to assist Bobby.
    ALL OF WHAT YOU HEARD from Bobby was stored in that massive brain of his.
    Got that UR readers ?

    RFK Jr knows the ACTUAL SCIENCE of childhood vaccines like the back of his hand.

    There is no politician in the U.S that knows even the smallest fraction of what Bobby Jr knows about vaccines.
    RFK Jr is far and away the most outstanding candidate in the 2024 Presidential race.
    His foreign policy is superb, he intends pardoning Julian Assange as soon as he’s sworn in and much, much more.
    Dr Ron Paul speaks glowingly about him, and that speaks volumes (Ron Paul hasn’t endorsed anyone in the last 40 years).

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  253. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: For those with a strong stomach, this video posted the Z-Man at Gab shows what the Ukrainians are facing as they approach Russian lines.

    Whether you're on the side of the Ukrainians, Russians or neutral, there was never any doubt that the Ukrainians had no chance of winning this offensive and breaking the Russians lines. The offensive was purely for PR purposes and to keep the West giving Ukraine weapons and money. Guys like this are paying the ultimate price for what amounts to a PR campaign.

    Actually, the most pro-Ukrainian people here should be the most angry when they watch this, assuming you have the guts to. Ukraine should never have launched this offensive. They should have pulled back and made the Russian come to them, which would have allowed them to hit the Russians as they approached. Instead, they insanely attacked fortified lines, which allows the Russians to use their aircraft, drones, artillery - and to force the Ukrainians to walk through mine fields.

    This is murder.

    https://gab.com/TheZBlog/posts/110611872979945111

    Replies: @Lurker, @Mike Tre, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    Better to step on a mine than burn in a tank.

    War is hell.

  254. HA says:
    @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    Riddle me this, oh fearless truth vigilante, did that “critical threshold of Aussies” just so happen to be accompanied by a RELAXATION OF LOCKDOWN RESTRICTIONS that had been in place prior to the vaccine being available?
     
    HA, you're not very attentive, are you ? I suggest you RE-READ what I wrote again.

    Let me go over the salient points once more:

    1) ALL of Australia (other than the Socialist stronghold of Victoria), was freely moving about with scarcely any restrictions in the first half of 2021. (ie: everything open, schools open, mask wearing optional in many locales, tens of thousands attending sports fixtures in packed stadiums - nearly all being maskless etc).

    2) During this time there was only ONE RECORDED COVID DEATH in the whole eff'n country and next to no one had taken the clot shots.

    3) In late June/early July the authorities in EVERY STATE AND TERRITORY put everyone into HARD lockdown*.
    (Note: at that time there was NO ONE DYING from Covid so most people were extremely surprised at this heavy handedness which seems to be happening for no reason)

    4) Concurrent with the locking down, the Federal government went on a 24/7 blitz of the airwaves and print media saying a deadly wave of Covid was coming our way and that the only way to ensure your health was to immediately get the experimental mRNA gene therapy jabs that masquerades as a vaccine, which had NOT** undergone any long term Randomised Control Trials (RCT's).

    (** In fact we now know that there were NO SHORT TERM Randomised Double-Blind Placebo controlled clinical trials, seeing as they were unblinded early on and they were certainly not randomised. ie: not tested on children or the very old, not tested on pregnant women, not tested on those that had multiple comorbidities etc.

    Simply put, the trials were a SHAM - little wonder then that Pfizer requested that the trial data be sealed for 75 years.
    After all, if they were on the up and up, WHY the need to hide the trial data ?

    5) So, subjected to the ceaseless bombardment of scare mongering, the lumpen proletariat in Australia rushed out and took the clot shots soon after mid 2021.
    End Result: A precipitous rise in mortality that coincided PRECISE:Y with the implementation of lockdowns and the rollout of the vaxx.

    Bottom Line: Contrary to your nonsensical assertion that Covid mortality is associated with relaxation of lockdowns, real world outcomes show the EXACT OPPOSITE.

    ie: in those places where people are allowed to go about their normal business, get out in the sunshine and absorb immune system enhancing Vitamin D and fresh air, these places have the BEST OUTCOMES.
    This is what happened in the vast majority of countries on the planet.
     

    No doubt you'll come back and show me some dubious data from an outlier country (like the U.S) that suggested otherwise.
    All I can say to that is that your 'wise overlords' that run the U.S lie to you about:

    1) The rate of inflation (it is actually double what you're told - refer to the output of John Williams of ShadowStats.com)
    2) The GDP growth (they tamper with the GDP deflator so as to yield positive GDP growth - when in fact the reality is that the U.S has been in recession for most of the 15 years since the 2008 GFC)
    3) The rate of unemployment (it is actually far greater than your government tells you.

    And that's not to mention the other lies Americans are told about (JFK coup d'etat, 9/11, fake manned moon missions, the Holohoax, Anthropogenic Global Warming etc, etc).

    In other words, your [U.S] government lies to you about everything. The stats they'e giving you for the Covid Psyop are no exception.

    Replies: @HA

    “No doubt you’ll come back and show me some dubious data from an outlier country (like the U.S) that suggested otherwise.”

    No, I’ll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed. Giving me some bogus timeline of when the lockdowns were applied is not an answer to the question I posed. And with regard to who is actually doing the dying, I know what the answer is going to be, and I guess so do you, which is why you avoided that question as well and instead went with spewing a bunch of boilerplate anti-vaxx nonsense like a scared squid squirting ink. However black that ink may be, the overall tactic is pathetically transparent.

    And here’s a hint if you ever want to bother addressing the actual questions I asked: don’t try lumping in, as is the anti-vaxxers wont, unvaxxed 20-year-olds with vaxxed 80-year-olds and then saying that “most of the deaths are of the vaxxed, ergo the vaccines don’t work!!!” or something equally specious. We all know that vaxxed 80-year-olds are still unfortunately more likely to die of COVID than unvaxxed 20-year-olds — the mortality is definitely age-skewed. But when fairly binned (you know, like when actual competent statisticians do the trials instead of anti-vaxxers with a bone to pick), the results are pretty clear, which is why you’re reduced to relying on your carefully curated coterie of anti-vaxx quacks while the rest of the world looks to actual scientific trials to figure out how to navigate messes like these. It may give your cheering section solace to intone “we were right all along”, but no one whose brain has not been rotted by COVID believes you.

    So spare me. I asked you simple questions and all you did in reply was blow smoke to deflect attention from the fact that the honest answers would have confirmed to us all — like those spikes in the excess death graphs — that you’re an utter ass. In the future, save your lies for the idiots who apparently don’t even know what excess death curves are, but are still dead certain that the CDC is doing them wrong.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    No, I’ll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed.
     
    Well, I certainly won't be able to show data demonstrating that deaths started happening AFTER lockdown is relaxed - because ONLY A FOOL would assert that.

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.
    Then, in mid 2021 the whole country went into hard lockdown and most Aussie citizens were terrorised into taking the clot shots.
    IMMEDIATELY thereafter the Covid mortality went ballistic.

    Got it now Mr 'HA' ?

    When there are no lockdowns in just about every country on the planet that had compiled their statistics honestly (ie: not the U.S), then mortality is low.
    When hard lockdowns are implemented then Covid mortality goes ballistic.

    You ask me to show you the data for this - which I ALREADY have (in comment # 104), but you were too lazy to click on the link.
    Well then, here it goes again. Click onto the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia':

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    As for your question inquiring about 'who exactly was doing the dying', you must've been living under a rock these last few years to be asking such a dumb question.
    As corrupt as the western MSM is, even they have admitted that the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths (and I don't mean just the elderly - this is happening in ALL age demographics):

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-vaccinated-now-make-up-majority-of-covid-deaths

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2022/12/vaccinated-people-make-up-a-majority-of-covid-deaths/

    Importantly also, one has to factor in the sleight-of-hand used by the establishment in determining if a death is attributable to the vaxxed or the unvaxxed.
    Firstly, readers should be aware of this fact:


    Dr. Peter McCullough said analyses of VAERS data concluded 50% of deaths occur within 48 hours of the jab & 80% of deaths occur within the week.

    CDC says you’re NOT ‘fully vaccinated’ until 2 weeks after injection, so any deaths BEFORE then are recorded as ‘unvaccinated.’

     

    In other words, someone was not classified as 'fully vaxxed' (at least in the early stages) unless they had received BOTH jabs AND a period of two weeks had elapsed after each jab.
    Got that ?

    The reason for that is that the Big Pharma lethal toxin manufacturers claimed that the jab is not immediately effective, but needs TWO WEEKS to 'work its way' into your body to provide immunity.

    So picture the following scenarios:

    CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.
    Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    CASE # 2: Someone takes the first jab and is unaffected. Later on he takes the second jab, has a severe reaction and dies withing 2 weeks of taking the second jab.
    Said individual appears in the statistics as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    In BOTH cases, it is clear that the jab killed them. But according to the dishonest methodology employed, said person was 'unvaxxed'.

    Of course, when the alleged efficacy of the first two jabs was deemed insufficient and a booster was required (ie: a case of moving the goal posts), you were no longer classified as 'vaxxed' if you only had two jabs.
    Only after getting the booster were you deemed to be fully vaxxed.

    Similarly, when the SECOND booster came along, those that had both the original shots plus the first booster (ie: three shots in total), were no longer classified a 'Vaxxed' until they had taken the 4th shot.

    In other words, people that had taken three shots and then died, appeared in the 'unvaxxed' column.
    OR, if you'd taken the 4th shot and died within two weeks of taking it, you were also tabulated as unvaxxed.

    The whole Covid Psyop stinks to high heaven. But ignorant vaxxed-to-the-max dupes like you 'HA' are unable to see the obvious chicanery that's been employed here.


    SUMMARY: The vaxxed are far away the majority of those dying from Covid or some other vaxx induced complication (myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, cancer etc) BY A WIDE MARGIN.

    Of course someone like you HA would not know this - because Rachel Maddow didn't tell you so.
    You are beyond help. You should just do the honourable thing and self euthanase now - for the sake of humanity.
     

    Replies: @HA, @HA, @Mr. Anon

  255. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    All this to say, don’t try pulling any of that “we were right all along” truther nonsense on me.
     
    Yeah, don't pull any of that truther nonsense on HA. He's too smart gullible for that.

    Or on this guy either:

    https://sandrarose.com/2023/06/tv-doctor-and-vaccination-expert-dr-alfredo-victoria-dies-suddenly-at-42/

    BTW - never trust a doctor who sports tattoos.

    Replies: @HA

    Ooh, he found a counter-example. SO convincing. That tells me far more about you than the tattooed doctor. But then, I can find you entire websites devoted to just-a-flu bros (even a few medical professional among them) who spouted their anti-vaxx nonsense all over Facebook and then succumbed. Would it convince you? No, of course not. But like the true anti-vaxxer you are, your one carefully curated counter-example trumps all, QED. SO convincing.

    “Now, you’re just lying…”

    And here’s Mr. Anon, in reply to a question specifically addressed to the just-a-flu bros, as in “I would assume all the ‘just the flu, bro’ guys here…”.

    How does he choose to reply to that question specifically addressed to the just the flu bros? Why he does that in the FIRST PERSON plural:

    Mr. Anon: No, WE’RE too busy arguing with you…

    As I said, the self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. I know you’ll have some Orwellian freedom-is-slavely comeback in which you try to convince us that none of that actually means what it actually does, but I’ll leave it to more objective readers to determine which of us is the liar here.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    And here’s Mr. Anon, in reply to a question specifically addressed to the just-a-flu bros, as in “I would assume all the ‘just the flu, bro’ guys here…”.
     
    Are you some kind of autistic spaz? That comment doesn't imply that I'm a "just the flu bro" dude. Only that you are an authoritarian hysterical ninny dude.

    To that list of your attributes - dumb, liar - add "humorless", I guess.

    As I said, the self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. I know you’ll have some Orwellian freedom-is-slavely comeback.....
     
    No, I don't think that "freedom is slavery". I think that slavery is slavery. And you appear to be all for it.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    Ooh, he found a counter-example. SO convincing.
     
    He wasn't the only one. Just one of the more arrogant ones.
  256. @Truth Vigilante
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, the other day I inquired as to why some of my comments, ten or more hours after I posted them, are still 'awaiting moderation'.
    You courteously responded with:


    'I do sleep, you know'.
     
    That's great. Sleep is very therapeutic and we should all get more of it.
    In the interim, those original comments of mine that were awaiting moderation have since come through, so thanks for that.

    However, since then I've posted other comments - although, once again, many of them did not show up until 6-8 hours after I posted them. Hmmm ... most unusual.

    Anyway, I want to draw your attention to a comment of mine that is STILL AWAITING MODERATION MORE THAN TWENTY FOUR (24) HOURS after I posted it.

    On my computer monitor it appears as: Comment # 202, June 29, 12.37 am, 600 words.

    Well, as write this it is approx 3.23am GMT on June 30, 2023.
    ie: it is almost TWENTY SEVEN hours since I posted it and still it 'awaits moderation'.

    WHY is that Steve ? There are no expletives and racial slurs in said comment. It's all pretty mild stuff, so why the need to muzzle my comments ?


    WERE YOU SLEEPING FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE LAST TWENTY SIX HOURS ?
     
    Evidently not, because there are dozens of comments from others that were posted AFTER my comment, and they showed up 'unmoderated' soon after they were posted.

    UR readers, are any of you experiencing this 'extended moderation' period that Steve Sailer is applying to me ?

    Steve, is it because I post uncomfortable facts that eviscerate the vaxxed-to-the-max narrative ?
    What happened to robust debate ?

    I certainly wouldn't want you to descend to depths of fools like Michael Hudson (the voodoo economist and Big Government Marxist), who banned me from his threads in UR because I exposed him for being the charlatan and economic illiterate that he is.

    Steve, you're better than that.

    Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips

    I don’t mean to burst your bubble, but it happens to me all the time. You are right, it’s takes you out of the conversation you’re attempting to have with others; things move really quickly.

    Just thought I’d poke my snout into your business…..I rarely do things like that…(ha ha)

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @Tiptoethrutulips

    TTTT, thanks for your input on that matter. I was wondering if I was the only one that was being treated this way.
    I've posted thousands of comments in UR over the years, and on no other thread have I experienced extended moderation times for my comments.

    Anyway, getting back to the comment I posted over two days ago which is STILL 'awaiting moderation', that comment appears [to me] as # 202 as I view it, posted June 29, 2023 at 12:37 am GMT • 2.2 days ago • 600 Words .

    Even though said comment is in moderation, I'll attempt to make it visible to other UR readers by linking it (refer below):

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/australias-heritage-of-slavery-jim-crow-and-redlining-strikes-again/#comment-6033346

    Let's hope that works.

  257. @Truth Vigilante
    @Corvinus


    I’m white, my friend. Why do you hate my kind?
     
    As white as Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Janet Yellen or Baron Yacob Rothschild?:

    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/i?id=ddb588befa7e4c04361995f4602ff8a2d6d088f5-8254957-images-thumbs&n=13

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “As white as Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Janet Yellen or Baron Yacob Rothschild?:”

    Nope. White like you.

  258. @BB753
    @Mike Tre

    Apparently, Steve didn't bother to learn what was happening in Australia during the koofid lockdowns which were brutal in themselves and the repression vicious.
    https://youtu.be/PvVaKFB65lw

    Replies: @anonymous, @HbutnotG

    LOL Australia went full Karen-on-steroids over the Covid thing.
    I was there once, 30 yrs ago. Doesn’t surprise me one bit.

  259. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    Ooh, he found a counter-example. SO convincing. That tells me far more about you than the tattooed doctor. But then, I can find you entire websites devoted to just-a-flu bros (even a few medical professional among them) who spouted their anti-vaxx nonsense all over Facebook and then succumbed. Would it convince you? No, of course not. But like the true anti-vaxxer you are, your one carefully curated counter-example trumps all, QED. SO convincing.

    "Now, you’re just lying..."

    And here's Mr. Anon, in reply to a question specifically addressed to the just-a-flu bros, as in "I would assume all the 'just the flu, bro' guys here...".

    How does he choose to reply to that question specifically addressed to the just the flu bros? Why he does that in the FIRST PERSON plural:


    Mr. Anon: No, WE'RE too busy arguing with you...
     
    As I said, the self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. I know you'll have some Orwellian freedom-is-slavely comeback in which you try to convince us that none of that actually means what it actually does, but I'll leave it to more objective readers to determine which of us is the liar here.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon

    And here’s Mr. Anon, in reply to a question specifically addressed to the just-a-flu bros, as in “I would assume all the ‘just the flu, bro’ guys here…”.

    Are you some kind of autistic spaz? That comment doesn’t imply that I’m a “just the flu bro” dude. Only that you are an authoritarian hysterical ninny dude.

    To that list of your attributes – dumb, liar – add “humorless”, I guess.

    As I said, the self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. I know you’ll have some Orwellian freedom-is-slavely comeback…..

    No, I don’t think that “freedom is slavery”. I think that slavery is slavery. And you appear to be all for it.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "That comment doesn’t imply that I’m a 'just the flu bro' dude."

    Sure it doesn't. Why should anyone believe their lying eyes when they have your assertions to tell them otherwise?

    Evidently your ignorance of basic health measures is outmatched by your ignorance of what first person plural means. Again, I'll leave that to more objective readers to determine which of us is the liar here.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  260. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    Ooh, he found a counter-example. SO convincing. That tells me far more about you than the tattooed doctor. But then, I can find you entire websites devoted to just-a-flu bros (even a few medical professional among them) who spouted their anti-vaxx nonsense all over Facebook and then succumbed. Would it convince you? No, of course not. But like the true anti-vaxxer you are, your one carefully curated counter-example trumps all, QED. SO convincing.

    "Now, you’re just lying..."

    And here's Mr. Anon, in reply to a question specifically addressed to the just-a-flu bros, as in "I would assume all the 'just the flu, bro' guys here...".

    How does he choose to reply to that question specifically addressed to the just the flu bros? Why he does that in the FIRST PERSON plural:


    Mr. Anon: No, WE'RE too busy arguing with you...
     
    As I said, the self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. I know you'll have some Orwellian freedom-is-slavely comeback in which you try to convince us that none of that actually means what it actually does, but I'll leave it to more objective readers to determine which of us is the liar here.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Ooh, he found a counter-example. SO convincing.

    He wasn’t the only one. Just one of the more arrogant ones.

  261. @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Truth Vigilante

    I don’t mean to burst your bubble, but it happens to me all the time. You are right, it’s takes you out of the conversation you’re attempting to have with others; things move really quickly.

    Just thought I’d poke my snout into your business…..I rarely do things like that…(ha ha)

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    TTTT, thanks for your input on that matter. I was wondering if I was the only one that was being treated this way.
    I’ve posted thousands of comments in UR over the years, and on no other thread have I experienced extended moderation times for my comments.

    Anyway, getting back to the comment I posted over two days ago which is STILL ‘awaiting moderation’, that comment appears [to me] as # 202 as I view it, posted June 29, 2023 at 12:37 am GMT • 2.2 days ago • 600 Words .

    Even though said comment is in moderation, I’ll attempt to make it visible to other UR readers by linking it (refer below):

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/australias-heritage-of-slavery-jim-crow-and-redlining-strikes-again/#comment-6033346

    Let’s hope that works.

  262. @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "No doubt you’ll come back and show me some dubious data from an outlier country (like the U.S) that suggested otherwise."

    No, I'll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed. Giving me some bogus timeline of when the lockdowns were applied is not an answer to the question I posed. And with regard to who is actually doing the dying, I know what the answer is going to be, and I guess so do you, which is why you avoided that question as well and instead went with spewing a bunch of boilerplate anti-vaxx nonsense like a scared squid squirting ink. However black that ink may be, the overall tactic is pathetically transparent.

    And here's a hint if you ever want to bother addressing the actual questions I asked: don't try lumping in, as is the anti-vaxxers wont, unvaxxed 20-year-olds with vaxxed 80-year-olds and then saying that "most of the deaths are of the vaxxed, ergo the vaccines don't work!!!" or something equally specious. We all know that vaxxed 80-year-olds are still unfortunately more likely to die of COVID than unvaxxed 20-year-olds -- the mortality is definitely age-skewed. But when fairly binned (you know, like when actual competent statisticians do the trials instead of anti-vaxxers with a bone to pick), the results are pretty clear, which is why you're reduced to relying on your carefully curated coterie of anti-vaxx quacks while the rest of the world looks to actual scientific trials to figure out how to navigate messes like these. It may give your cheering section solace to intone "we were right all along", but no one whose brain has not been rotted by COVID believes you.

    So spare me. I asked you simple questions and all you did in reply was blow smoke to deflect attention from the fact that the honest answers would have confirmed to us all -- like those spikes in the excess death graphs -- that you're an utter ass. In the future, save your lies for the idiots who apparently don't even know what excess death curves are, but are still dead certain that the CDC is doing them wrong.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    No, I’ll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed.

    Well, I certainly won’t be able to show data demonstrating that deaths started happening AFTER lockdown is relaxed – because ONLY A FOOL would assert that.

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.
    Then, in mid 2021 the whole country went into hard lockdown and most Aussie citizens were terrorised into taking the clot shots.
    IMMEDIATELY thereafter the Covid mortality went ballistic.

    Got it now Mr ‘HA’ ?

    When there are no lockdowns in just about every country on the planet that had compiled their statistics honestly (ie: not the U.S), then mortality is low.
    When hard lockdowns are implemented then Covid mortality goes ballistic.

    You ask me to show you the data for this – which I ALREADY have (in comment # 104), but you were too lazy to click on the link.
    Well then, here it goes again. Click onto the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled ‘Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia’:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    As for your question inquiring about ‘who exactly was doing the dying’, you must’ve been living under a rock these last few years to be asking such a dumb question.
    As corrupt as the western MSM is, even they have admitted that the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths (and I don’t mean just the elderly – this is happening in ALL age demographics):

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-vaccinated-now-make-up-majority-of-covid-deaths

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2022/12/vaccinated-people-make-up-a-majority-of-covid-deaths/

    Importantly also, one has to factor in the sleight-of-hand used by the establishment in determining if a death is attributable to the vaxxed or the unvaxxed.
    Firstly, readers should be aware of this fact:

    Dr. Peter McCullough said analyses of VAERS data concluded 50% of deaths occur within 48 hours of the jab & 80% of deaths occur within the week.

    CDC says you’re NOT ‘fully vaccinated’ until 2 weeks after injection, so any deaths BEFORE then are recorded as ‘unvaccinated.’

    In other words, someone was not classified as ‘fully vaxxed’ (at least in the early stages) unless they had received BOTH jabs AND a period of two weeks had elapsed after each jab.
    Got that ?

    The reason for that is that the Big Pharma lethal toxin manufacturers claimed that the jab is not immediately effective, but needs TWO WEEKS to ‘work its way’ into your body to provide immunity.

    So picture the following scenarios:

    CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.
    Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    CASE # 2: Someone takes the first jab and is unaffected. Later on he takes the second jab, has a severe reaction and dies withing 2 weeks of taking the second jab.
    Said individual appears in the statistics as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    In BOTH cases, it is clear that the jab killed them. But according to the dishonest methodology employed, said person was ‘unvaxxed’.

    Of course, when the alleged efficacy of the first two jabs was deemed insufficient and a booster was required (ie: a case of moving the goal posts), you were no longer classified as ‘vaxxed’ if you only had two jabs.
    Only after getting the booster were you deemed to be fully vaxxed.

    Similarly, when the SECOND booster came along, those that had both the original shots plus the first booster (ie: three shots in total), were no longer classified a ‘Vaxxed’ until they had taken the 4th shot.

    In other words, people that had taken three shots and then died, appeared in the ‘unvaxxed’ column.
    OR, if you’d taken the 4th shot and died within two weeks of taking it, you were also tabulated as unvaxxed.

    The whole Covid Psyop stinks to high heaven. But ignorant vaxxed-to-the-max dupes like you ‘HA’ are unable to see the obvious chicanery that’s been employed here.

    SUMMARY: The vaxxed are far away the majority of those dying from Covid or some other vaxx induced complication (myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, cancer etc) BY A WIDE MARGIN.

    Of course someone like you HA would not know this – because Rachel Maddow didn’t tell you so.
    You are beyond help. You should just do the honourable thing and self euthanase now – for the sake of humanity.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.


    Ugh, more ink-clouds. I don't know what species if idiot you fancy yourself to be, and I know one Unz-expert on COVID claims it hits certain races (Asians, in particular) harder than others, but you're not as special as you think -- Australia is not exempt from COVID, regardless of the seawater separating it from everything else. And as the covidiots themselves often tell us, the death toll in the first year of COVID -- when lockdowns were the primary response -- were lower than they were in the second year when lockdowns were relaxed and people were expected to be sane enough to get vaccinated. Given the large number of idiots like yourself, that vaccination (though the overwhelming norm) didn't happen quite as much as saner minds would have hoped -- and it is therefore those anti-vaxx idiots who did a disproportionate per-capita share of the dying in those following years. That has been studied to death (so to speak) and verified, however much you want to shift the focus of the argument elsewhere, and to this day, getting vaccinated and boosted is regarded as the best way to ensure COVID doesn't kill you. Speaking of which, plenty of COVID variants that wound up killing a lot of people sprang up well before vaccines came around -- in South Africa, in Brazil, in India, and of course in China. So you can pretend that whatever happened in one area, even an area the size of Australia, somehow suffices to disprove what the rest of world proved time and time again -- by playing the same post-hoc-propter-hoc fallacies that you idiots have been playing from the start -- but it's not going to convince me, nor will it convince anyone else who has been paying attention. Deal with it.

    And for what it's worth, I myself have no idea what Rachel Maddow does and doesn't believe about COVID or most anything else. You, on the other hand, seem to be bizarrely fixated on her for some strange reason, especially for an Australian. I think you might want to examine your fascination with her a little more closely -- at the very least it'll take your mind off your idiotic COVID ranting.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    , @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death."

    And for the record, NO, that's not how it happened. You're spouting complete garbage. If it were otherwise, you'd have actual links instead of empty assertions, links to RFKJr speeches and that world odometer graph. If you actually read the Oxford study protocols that first showed that myocarditis from the vaccine was less risky than myocarditis from COVID -- Maria Patone has her own Twitter feed in which she goes through some of the problems and issues with the research -- you'll see what the actual protocols and methodology were. I repeat: you're an ideologically driven idiot who spouts empty assertions that have no basis in reality.

    PS The Oxford study did indicate that for adolescent males, the myocarditis from the vaccine was worse, but that was subsequently overturned by larger studies. But the very fact that Patone was freely allowed to publish and claim that indicates that the rest of the world isn't as ideologically blind as you are.

    "the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths"

    Again, a gross twisting of what's actually happening, as I've noted repeatedly. When properly binned -- i.e. when 80-year-old unvaxxed COVID deaths are compared against 80-year-old vaxxed COVID deaths, the situation is clear. Even articles that address your concern -- e.g. the one here are also careful to note "that unvaccinated people are at much greater risk of death and other severe outcomes than people the same age who have stayed up-to-date on boosters." Feel free to follow the links to the actual research, or else, continue to fixate on Rachel Maddow and Youtube videos by black-sheep Kennedys. Your choice.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Truth Vigilante

    HA just can't let it go, can he? He's still clinging to the old time COVID religion. He just can't bear the notion that all those public health measures he subjected himself to were just a load of crap.

    At least Sailer and many of the others here have moved on. He simply don't dwell on it. COVID? What's that. But HA just can't do that. The embalmer will give him a booster shot for good measure and he'll be buried with his mask on.

    Replies: @HA

  263. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ennui

    It's unseemly. Gene Hackman's a stooped, really old guy so he moved to Santa Fe and does stooped, really old guy things. Cf. De Niro and Pacino who shot off into absurdly younger women and will be dead by their kid's second grade. Madonna is fighting for her life at age 64 because she takes steroids and tries to maintain 20-something body mass at age 64. Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein all acting like they're dialed in instead of at death's door. Even the god-emperor Trump, who's trying to relive the 88%-white 1980s.

    We shut down a third of the economy and spent billions on marginally useful jabs for old diabetics. Time to move on.

    Replies: @BB753

    At least Biden can still take a fall and not break any bones! Though his mind is totally gone.

  264. HA says:
    @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    No, I’ll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed.
     
    Well, I certainly won't be able to show data demonstrating that deaths started happening AFTER lockdown is relaxed - because ONLY A FOOL would assert that.

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.
    Then, in mid 2021 the whole country went into hard lockdown and most Aussie citizens were terrorised into taking the clot shots.
    IMMEDIATELY thereafter the Covid mortality went ballistic.

    Got it now Mr 'HA' ?

    When there are no lockdowns in just about every country on the planet that had compiled their statistics honestly (ie: not the U.S), then mortality is low.
    When hard lockdowns are implemented then Covid mortality goes ballistic.

    You ask me to show you the data for this - which I ALREADY have (in comment # 104), but you were too lazy to click on the link.
    Well then, here it goes again. Click onto the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia':

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    As for your question inquiring about 'who exactly was doing the dying', you must've been living under a rock these last few years to be asking such a dumb question.
    As corrupt as the western MSM is, even they have admitted that the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths (and I don't mean just the elderly - this is happening in ALL age demographics):

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-vaccinated-now-make-up-majority-of-covid-deaths

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2022/12/vaccinated-people-make-up-a-majority-of-covid-deaths/

    Importantly also, one has to factor in the sleight-of-hand used by the establishment in determining if a death is attributable to the vaxxed or the unvaxxed.
    Firstly, readers should be aware of this fact:


    Dr. Peter McCullough said analyses of VAERS data concluded 50% of deaths occur within 48 hours of the jab & 80% of deaths occur within the week.

    CDC says you’re NOT ‘fully vaccinated’ until 2 weeks after injection, so any deaths BEFORE then are recorded as ‘unvaccinated.’

     

    In other words, someone was not classified as 'fully vaxxed' (at least in the early stages) unless they had received BOTH jabs AND a period of two weeks had elapsed after each jab.
    Got that ?

    The reason for that is that the Big Pharma lethal toxin manufacturers claimed that the jab is not immediately effective, but needs TWO WEEKS to 'work its way' into your body to provide immunity.

    So picture the following scenarios:

    CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.
    Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    CASE # 2: Someone takes the first jab and is unaffected. Later on he takes the second jab, has a severe reaction and dies withing 2 weeks of taking the second jab.
    Said individual appears in the statistics as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    In BOTH cases, it is clear that the jab killed them. But according to the dishonest methodology employed, said person was 'unvaxxed'.

    Of course, when the alleged efficacy of the first two jabs was deemed insufficient and a booster was required (ie: a case of moving the goal posts), you were no longer classified as 'vaxxed' if you only had two jabs.
    Only after getting the booster were you deemed to be fully vaxxed.

    Similarly, when the SECOND booster came along, those that had both the original shots plus the first booster (ie: three shots in total), were no longer classified a 'Vaxxed' until they had taken the 4th shot.

    In other words, people that had taken three shots and then died, appeared in the 'unvaxxed' column.
    OR, if you'd taken the 4th shot and died within two weeks of taking it, you were also tabulated as unvaxxed.

    The whole Covid Psyop stinks to high heaven. But ignorant vaxxed-to-the-max dupes like you 'HA' are unable to see the obvious chicanery that's been employed here.


    SUMMARY: The vaxxed are far away the majority of those dying from Covid or some other vaxx induced complication (myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, cancer etc) BY A WIDE MARGIN.

    Of course someone like you HA would not know this - because Rachel Maddow didn't tell you so.
    You are beyond help. You should just do the honourable thing and self euthanase now - for the sake of humanity.
     

    Replies: @HA, @HA, @Mr. Anon

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.

    Ugh, more ink-clouds. I don’t know what species if idiot you fancy yourself to be, and I know one Unz-expert on COVID claims it hits certain races (Asians, in particular) harder than others, but you’re not as special as you think — Australia is not exempt from COVID, regardless of the seawater separating it from everything else. And as the covidiots themselves often tell us, the death toll in the first year of COVID — when lockdowns were the primary response — were lower than they were in the second year when lockdowns were relaxed and people were expected to be sane enough to get vaccinated. Given the large number of idiots like yourself, that vaccination (though the overwhelming norm) didn’t happen quite as much as saner minds would have hoped — and it is therefore those anti-vaxx idiots who did a disproportionate per-capita share of the dying in those following years. That has been studied to death (so to speak) and verified, however much you want to shift the focus of the argument elsewhere, and to this day, getting vaccinated and boosted is regarded as the best way to ensure COVID doesn’t kill you. Speaking of which, plenty of COVID variants that wound up killing a lot of people sprang up well before vaccines came around — in South Africa, in Brazil, in India, and of course in China. So you can pretend that whatever happened in one area, even an area the size of Australia, somehow suffices to disprove what the rest of world proved time and time again — by playing the same post-hoc-propter-hoc fallacies that you idiots have been playing from the start — but it’s not going to convince me, nor will it convince anyone else who has been paying attention. Deal with it.

    And for what it’s worth, I myself have no idea what Rachel Maddow does and doesn’t believe about COVID or most anything else. You, on the other hand, seem to be bizarrely fixated on her for some strange reason, especially for an Australian. I think you might want to examine your fascination with her a little more closely — at the very least it’ll take your mind off your idiotic COVID ranting.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    And for what it’s worth, I myself have no idea what Rachel Maddow does and doesn’t believe about COVID or most anything else.
     
    Strange you should say that, because what you've been saying to date is in lockstep with what the ZOG controlled MSM identities like her have been asserting during the Covid Psyop.

    You, on the other hand, seem to be bizarrely fixated on her [Maddow] for some strange reason, especially for an Australian.
     
    She's a non entity down here. I just mention her because clowns like you in the U.S are on the edge of your seats waiting to hear instructions from her.
    Like when you can take your face mask off, and when you can come out of hibernation from your Socialist Distancing.
    You see, people like you are unable to make decisions for yourself. You need to be instructed as to what you can do and when you can do it - you were born to be an obsequious follower of your 'wise government overlords'.

    And as the covidiots themselves often tell us, the death toll in the first year of COVID — when lockdowns were the primary response .... were lower than they were in the second year when lockdowns were relaxed
     
    I make a point of not listening to the Covidiots like yourself. They're all fully vaxxed, and as such the spike proteins in the clot shots are causing them neurological impairment.
    As a result, they've gotten everything wrong during the scamdemic.

    In Australia, where during the WHOLE of 2020 we were NOT lockdowned (with the exception of a few weeks during the 'crazy time' in late March/early April when state governments overreacted, and also excepting the singular tyrannical state of Victoria), we had LESS than 200 Covid deaths recorded between the other five states and two territories.

    The state of Victoria, which was in hard lockdown for large portions of 2020, had FOUR times more Covid deaths than the rest of the country combined.

    This is also true for Sweden (and just about every other country where honest statistics were tabulated).
    Sweden, although not locked down, had better outcomes than the locked down nations.

    Replies: @HA

  265. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    And here’s Mr. Anon, in reply to a question specifically addressed to the just-a-flu bros, as in “I would assume all the ‘just the flu, bro’ guys here…”.
     
    Are you some kind of autistic spaz? That comment doesn't imply that I'm a "just the flu bro" dude. Only that you are an authoritarian hysterical ninny dude.

    To that list of your attributes - dumb, liar - add "humorless", I guess.

    As I said, the self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros. I know you’ll have some Orwellian freedom-is-slavely comeback.....
     
    No, I don't think that "freedom is slavery". I think that slavery is slavery. And you appear to be all for it.

    Replies: @HA

    “That comment doesn’t imply that I’m a ‘just the flu bro’ dude.”

    Sure it doesn’t. Why should anyone believe their lying eyes when they have your assertions to tell them otherwise?

    Evidently your ignorance of basic health measures is outmatched by your ignorance of what first person plural means. Again, I’ll leave that to more objective readers to determine which of us is the liar here.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA

    Been reading English long? You don't seem capable of understanding the plain meaning of the words.

    You're persistent assertion of a lie does not make it truth, though I'm unsurprised you think it does given how poor your judgement is.

  266. HA says:
    @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    No, I’ll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed.
     
    Well, I certainly won't be able to show data demonstrating that deaths started happening AFTER lockdown is relaxed - because ONLY A FOOL would assert that.

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.
    Then, in mid 2021 the whole country went into hard lockdown and most Aussie citizens were terrorised into taking the clot shots.
    IMMEDIATELY thereafter the Covid mortality went ballistic.

    Got it now Mr 'HA' ?

    When there are no lockdowns in just about every country on the planet that had compiled their statistics honestly (ie: not the U.S), then mortality is low.
    When hard lockdowns are implemented then Covid mortality goes ballistic.

    You ask me to show you the data for this - which I ALREADY have (in comment # 104), but you were too lazy to click on the link.
    Well then, here it goes again. Click onto the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia':

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    As for your question inquiring about 'who exactly was doing the dying', you must've been living under a rock these last few years to be asking such a dumb question.
    As corrupt as the western MSM is, even they have admitted that the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths (and I don't mean just the elderly - this is happening in ALL age demographics):

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-vaccinated-now-make-up-majority-of-covid-deaths

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2022/12/vaccinated-people-make-up-a-majority-of-covid-deaths/

    Importantly also, one has to factor in the sleight-of-hand used by the establishment in determining if a death is attributable to the vaxxed or the unvaxxed.
    Firstly, readers should be aware of this fact:


    Dr. Peter McCullough said analyses of VAERS data concluded 50% of deaths occur within 48 hours of the jab & 80% of deaths occur within the week.

    CDC says you’re NOT ‘fully vaccinated’ until 2 weeks after injection, so any deaths BEFORE then are recorded as ‘unvaccinated.’

     

    In other words, someone was not classified as 'fully vaxxed' (at least in the early stages) unless they had received BOTH jabs AND a period of two weeks had elapsed after each jab.
    Got that ?

    The reason for that is that the Big Pharma lethal toxin manufacturers claimed that the jab is not immediately effective, but needs TWO WEEKS to 'work its way' into your body to provide immunity.

    So picture the following scenarios:

    CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.
    Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    CASE # 2: Someone takes the first jab and is unaffected. Later on he takes the second jab, has a severe reaction and dies withing 2 weeks of taking the second jab.
    Said individual appears in the statistics as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    In BOTH cases, it is clear that the jab killed them. But according to the dishonest methodology employed, said person was 'unvaxxed'.

    Of course, when the alleged efficacy of the first two jabs was deemed insufficient and a booster was required (ie: a case of moving the goal posts), you were no longer classified as 'vaxxed' if you only had two jabs.
    Only after getting the booster were you deemed to be fully vaxxed.

    Similarly, when the SECOND booster came along, those that had both the original shots plus the first booster (ie: three shots in total), were no longer classified a 'Vaxxed' until they had taken the 4th shot.

    In other words, people that had taken three shots and then died, appeared in the 'unvaxxed' column.
    OR, if you'd taken the 4th shot and died within two weeks of taking it, you were also tabulated as unvaxxed.

    The whole Covid Psyop stinks to high heaven. But ignorant vaxxed-to-the-max dupes like you 'HA' are unable to see the obvious chicanery that's been employed here.


    SUMMARY: The vaxxed are far away the majority of those dying from Covid or some other vaxx induced complication (myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, cancer etc) BY A WIDE MARGIN.

    Of course someone like you HA would not know this - because Rachel Maddow didn't tell you so.
    You are beyond help. You should just do the honourable thing and self euthanase now - for the sake of humanity.
     

    Replies: @HA, @HA, @Mr. Anon

    “CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.”

    And for the record, NO, that’s not how it happened. You’re spouting complete garbage. If it were otherwise, you’d have actual links instead of empty assertions, links to RFKJr speeches and that world odometer graph. If you actually read the Oxford study protocols that first showed that myocarditis from the vaccine was less risky than myocarditis from COVID — Maria Patone has her own Twitter feed in which she goes through some of the problems and issues with the research — you’ll see what the actual protocols and methodology were. I repeat: you’re an ideologically driven idiot who spouts empty assertions that have no basis in reality.

    PS The Oxford study did indicate that for adolescent males, the myocarditis from the vaccine was worse, but that was subsequently overturned by larger studies. But the very fact that Patone was freely allowed to publish and claim that indicates that the rest of the world isn’t as ideologically blind as you are.

    “the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths”

    Again, a gross twisting of what’s actually happening, as I’ve noted repeatedly. When properly binned — i.e. when 80-year-old unvaxxed COVID deaths are compared against 80-year-old vaxxed COVID deaths, the situation is clear. Even articles that address your concern — e.g. the one here are also careful to note “that unvaccinated people are at much greater risk of death and other severe outcomes than people the same age who have stayed up-to-date on boosters.” Feel free to follow the links to the actual research, or else, continue to fixate on Rachel Maddow and Youtube videos by black-sheep Kennedys. Your choice.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA



    @Truth Vigilante

    “CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.”
     
    And for the record, NO, that’s not how it happened.
     
    That's exactly how it happened in many cases, you dishonest idiot.
  267. @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.


    Ugh, more ink-clouds. I don't know what species if idiot you fancy yourself to be, and I know one Unz-expert on COVID claims it hits certain races (Asians, in particular) harder than others, but you're not as special as you think -- Australia is not exempt from COVID, regardless of the seawater separating it from everything else. And as the covidiots themselves often tell us, the death toll in the first year of COVID -- when lockdowns were the primary response -- were lower than they were in the second year when lockdowns were relaxed and people were expected to be sane enough to get vaccinated. Given the large number of idiots like yourself, that vaccination (though the overwhelming norm) didn't happen quite as much as saner minds would have hoped -- and it is therefore those anti-vaxx idiots who did a disproportionate per-capita share of the dying in those following years. That has been studied to death (so to speak) and verified, however much you want to shift the focus of the argument elsewhere, and to this day, getting vaccinated and boosted is regarded as the best way to ensure COVID doesn't kill you. Speaking of which, plenty of COVID variants that wound up killing a lot of people sprang up well before vaccines came around -- in South Africa, in Brazil, in India, and of course in China. So you can pretend that whatever happened in one area, even an area the size of Australia, somehow suffices to disprove what the rest of world proved time and time again -- by playing the same post-hoc-propter-hoc fallacies that you idiots have been playing from the start -- but it's not going to convince me, nor will it convince anyone else who has been paying attention. Deal with it.

    And for what it's worth, I myself have no idea what Rachel Maddow does and doesn't believe about COVID or most anything else. You, on the other hand, seem to be bizarrely fixated on her for some strange reason, especially for an Australian. I think you might want to examine your fascination with her a little more closely -- at the very least it'll take your mind off your idiotic COVID ranting.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    And for what it’s worth, I myself have no idea what Rachel Maddow does and doesn’t believe about COVID or most anything else.

    Strange you should say that, because what you’ve been saying to date is in lockstep with what the ZOG controlled MSM identities like her have been asserting during the Covid Psyop.

    You, on the other hand, seem to be bizarrely fixated on her [Maddow] for some strange reason, especially for an Australian.

    She’s a non entity down here. I just mention her because clowns like you in the U.S are on the edge of your seats waiting to hear instructions from her.
    Like when you can take your face mask off, and when you can come out of hibernation from your Socialist Distancing.
    You see, people like you are unable to make decisions for yourself. You need to be instructed as to what you can do and when you can do it – you were born to be an obsequious follower of your ‘wise government overlords’.

    And as the covidiots themselves often tell us, the death toll in the first year of COVID — when lockdowns were the primary response …. were lower than they were in the second year when lockdowns were relaxed

    I make a point of not listening to the Covidiots like yourself. They’re all fully vaxxed, and as such the spike proteins in the clot shots are causing them neurological impairment.
    As a result, they’ve gotten everything wrong during the scamdemic.

    In Australia, where during the WHOLE of 2020 we were NOT lockdowned (with the exception of a few weeks during the ‘crazy time’ in late March/early April when state governments overreacted, and also excepting the singular tyrannical state of Victoria), we had LESS than 200 Covid deaths recorded between the other five states and two territories.

    The state of Victoria, which was in hard lockdown for large portions of 2020, had FOUR times more Covid deaths than the rest of the country combined.

    This is also true for Sweden (and just about every other country where honest statistics were tabulated).
    Sweden, although not locked down, had better outcomes than the locked down nations.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "in lockstep with what the ZOG controlled MSM identities like her have been asserting during the Covid Psyop."

    Oh boy, and there we have it. No wonder you and Mr. Anon are so in sync -- peas in a pod. Such a wonderful little group he decided to become the spokesman of, if only by his own designation.

    "In Australia, where during the WHOLE of 2020 we were NOT lockdowned"

    Given the flight restrictions Australia imposed on the outside world -- and the quarantines they imposed on all the passengers on those flights (which I'm guessing were substantially relaxed or modified once the vaccines came along) you were indeed lockdowned, far more effectively than most other places. Deal with it, you clueless wack-job. Are you so dimwitted that I have to tell you what went on in your own country? Don't answer -- the evidence speaks for itself.

    Again, feel free to check the link, if you actually want to learn the actual research. My hunch is, you'll stick with Youtube videos and Facebook memes and feeding your unhealthy and downright creepy obsession with Rachel Maddow.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  268. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "That comment doesn’t imply that I’m a 'just the flu bro' dude."

    Sure it doesn't. Why should anyone believe their lying eyes when they have your assertions to tell them otherwise?

    Evidently your ignorance of basic health measures is outmatched by your ignorance of what first person plural means. Again, I'll leave that to more objective readers to determine which of us is the liar here.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Been reading English long? You don’t seem capable of understanding the plain meaning of the words.

    You’re persistent assertion of a lie does not make it truth, though I’m unsurprised you think it does given how poor your judgement is.

  269. @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death."

    And for the record, NO, that's not how it happened. You're spouting complete garbage. If it were otherwise, you'd have actual links instead of empty assertions, links to RFKJr speeches and that world odometer graph. If you actually read the Oxford study protocols that first showed that myocarditis from the vaccine was less risky than myocarditis from COVID -- Maria Patone has her own Twitter feed in which she goes through some of the problems and issues with the research -- you'll see what the actual protocols and methodology were. I repeat: you're an ideologically driven idiot who spouts empty assertions that have no basis in reality.

    PS The Oxford study did indicate that for adolescent males, the myocarditis from the vaccine was worse, but that was subsequently overturned by larger studies. But the very fact that Patone was freely allowed to publish and claim that indicates that the rest of the world isn't as ideologically blind as you are.

    "the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths"

    Again, a gross twisting of what's actually happening, as I've noted repeatedly. When properly binned -- i.e. when 80-year-old unvaxxed COVID deaths are compared against 80-year-old vaxxed COVID deaths, the situation is clear. Even articles that address your concern -- e.g. the one here are also careful to note "that unvaccinated people are at much greater risk of death and other severe outcomes than people the same age who have stayed up-to-date on boosters." Feel free to follow the links to the actual research, or else, continue to fixate on Rachel Maddow and Youtube videos by black-sheep Kennedys. Your choice.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.”

    And for the record, NO, that’s not how it happened.

    That’s exactly how it happened in many cases, you dishonest idiot.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  270. @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    No, I’ll wait for you to show me data on who exactly was actually doing the dying of COVID, the vaxxed or unvaxxed, not to mention whether the majority of the deaths started to happen only after the lockdown was relaxed.
     
    Well, I certainly won't be able to show data demonstrating that deaths started happening AFTER lockdown is relaxed - because ONLY A FOOL would assert that.

    Once again, when there was NO LOCKDOWN in most of Australia in the first half of 2021 (and very few had been vaxxed), there was only one recorded Covid death in the whole country.
    Then, in mid 2021 the whole country went into hard lockdown and most Aussie citizens were terrorised into taking the clot shots.
    IMMEDIATELY thereafter the Covid mortality went ballistic.

    Got it now Mr 'HA' ?

    When there are no lockdowns in just about every country on the planet that had compiled their statistics honestly (ie: not the U.S), then mortality is low.
    When hard lockdowns are implemented then Covid mortality goes ballistic.

    You ask me to show you the data for this - which I ALREADY have (in comment # 104), but you were too lazy to click on the link.
    Well then, here it goes again. Click onto the link below and scroll down to the graph labelled 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in Australia':

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

    As for your question inquiring about 'who exactly was doing the dying', you must've been living under a rock these last few years to be asking such a dumb question.
    As corrupt as the western MSM is, even they have admitted that the vaxxed are disproportionately represented among the Covid deaths (and I don't mean just the elderly - this is happening in ALL age demographics):

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-vaccinated-now-make-up-majority-of-covid-deaths

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2022/12/vaccinated-people-make-up-a-majority-of-covid-deaths/

    Importantly also, one has to factor in the sleight-of-hand used by the establishment in determining if a death is attributable to the vaxxed or the unvaxxed.
    Firstly, readers should be aware of this fact:


    Dr. Peter McCullough said analyses of VAERS data concluded 50% of deaths occur within 48 hours of the jab & 80% of deaths occur within the week.

    CDC says you’re NOT ‘fully vaccinated’ until 2 weeks after injection, so any deaths BEFORE then are recorded as ‘unvaccinated.’

     

    In other words, someone was not classified as 'fully vaxxed' (at least in the early stages) unless they had received BOTH jabs AND a period of two weeks had elapsed after each jab.
    Got that ?

    The reason for that is that the Big Pharma lethal toxin manufacturers claimed that the jab is not immediately effective, but needs TWO WEEKS to 'work its way' into your body to provide immunity.

    So picture the following scenarios:

    CASE # 1: Someone takes the first jab, has a reaction CLEARLY due to the clot shot, and dies within the next 14 days.
    Said individual is tabulated as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    CASE # 2: Someone takes the first jab and is unaffected. Later on he takes the second jab, has a severe reaction and dies withing 2 weeks of taking the second jab.
    Said individual appears in the statistics as an UNVAXXED Covid death.

    In BOTH cases, it is clear that the jab killed them. But according to the dishonest methodology employed, said person was 'unvaxxed'.

    Of course, when the alleged efficacy of the first two jabs was deemed insufficient and a booster was required (ie: a case of moving the goal posts), you were no longer classified as 'vaxxed' if you only had two jabs.
    Only after getting the booster were you deemed to be fully vaxxed.

    Similarly, when the SECOND booster came along, those that had both the original shots plus the first booster (ie: three shots in total), were no longer classified a 'Vaxxed' until they had taken the 4th shot.

    In other words, people that had taken three shots and then died, appeared in the 'unvaxxed' column.
    OR, if you'd taken the 4th shot and died within two weeks of taking it, you were also tabulated as unvaxxed.

    The whole Covid Psyop stinks to high heaven. But ignorant vaxxed-to-the-max dupes like you 'HA' are unable to see the obvious chicanery that's been employed here.


    SUMMARY: The vaxxed are far away the majority of those dying from Covid or some other vaxx induced complication (myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, cancer etc) BY A WIDE MARGIN.

    Of course someone like you HA would not know this - because Rachel Maddow didn't tell you so.
    You are beyond help. You should just do the honourable thing and self euthanase now - for the sake of humanity.
     

    Replies: @HA, @HA, @Mr. Anon

    HA just can’t let it go, can he? He’s still clinging to the old time COVID religion. He just can’t bear the notion that all those public health measures he subjected himself to were just a load of crap.

    At least Sailer and many of the others here have moved on. He simply don’t dwell on it. COVID? What’s that. But HA just can’t do that. The embalmer will give him a booster shot for good measure and he’ll be buried with his mask on.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "HA just can’t let it go, can he?"

    Are you really that lacking in self-awareness? Let me spell it out for you: If I were the only one who couldn't let it go, I'd be commenting to myself. But I'm not, am I? So look in the mirror next time you want to accuse someone of not being able to let it go, dimwit. Or else, clear your mind and maybe have a chat with your buddy Truth Vigilante about Rachel Maddow or ZOG. Lot of obsessions that the two of you can't let go besides that vaccine, I'm guessing. Like I said, peas in a pod, After all, the next time you choose to speak on behalf of people like him (or her, given the obsession with Rachel Maddow), you should know what you're signing up for.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  271. HA says:
    @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    And for what it’s worth, I myself have no idea what Rachel Maddow does and doesn’t believe about COVID or most anything else.
     
    Strange you should say that, because what you've been saying to date is in lockstep with what the ZOG controlled MSM identities like her have been asserting during the Covid Psyop.

    You, on the other hand, seem to be bizarrely fixated on her [Maddow] for some strange reason, especially for an Australian.
     
    She's a non entity down here. I just mention her because clowns like you in the U.S are on the edge of your seats waiting to hear instructions from her.
    Like when you can take your face mask off, and when you can come out of hibernation from your Socialist Distancing.
    You see, people like you are unable to make decisions for yourself. You need to be instructed as to what you can do and when you can do it - you were born to be an obsequious follower of your 'wise government overlords'.

    And as the covidiots themselves often tell us, the death toll in the first year of COVID — when lockdowns were the primary response .... were lower than they were in the second year when lockdowns were relaxed
     
    I make a point of not listening to the Covidiots like yourself. They're all fully vaxxed, and as such the spike proteins in the clot shots are causing them neurological impairment.
    As a result, they've gotten everything wrong during the scamdemic.

    In Australia, where during the WHOLE of 2020 we were NOT lockdowned (with the exception of a few weeks during the 'crazy time' in late March/early April when state governments overreacted, and also excepting the singular tyrannical state of Victoria), we had LESS than 200 Covid deaths recorded between the other five states and two territories.

    The state of Victoria, which was in hard lockdown for large portions of 2020, had FOUR times more Covid deaths than the rest of the country combined.

    This is also true for Sweden (and just about every other country where honest statistics were tabulated).
    Sweden, although not locked down, had better outcomes than the locked down nations.

    Replies: @HA

    “in lockstep with what the ZOG controlled MSM identities like her have been asserting during the Covid Psyop.”

    Oh boy, and there we have it. No wonder you and Mr. Anon are so in sync — peas in a pod. Such a wonderful little group he decided to become the spokesman of, if only by his own designation.

    “In Australia, where during the WHOLE of 2020 we were NOT lockdowned”

    Given the flight restrictions Australia imposed on the outside world — and the quarantines they imposed on all the passengers on those flights (which I’m guessing were substantially relaxed or modified once the vaccines came along) you were indeed lockdowned, far more effectively than most other places. Deal with it, you clueless wack-job. Are you so dimwitted that I have to tell you what went on in your own country? Don’t answer — the evidence speaks for itself.

    Again, feel free to check the link, if you actually want to learn the actual research. My hunch is, you’ll stick with Youtube videos and Facebook memes and feeding your unhealthy and downright creepy obsession with Rachel Maddow.

    • Replies: @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    Again, feel free to check the link, if you actually want to learn the actual research.
    My hunch is, you’ll stick with Youtube videos ....
     
    Of course, as anyone who's bothered to do the objective research knows, ZOG controlled You Tube has taken down most of the videos from the world's best physicians that have exposed the Covid Psyop for what it is.
    You Tube has gone out of its way to muzzle the truthtellers.
    The fact of the matter is that the ignorant vaxxers and compulsive face mask wearers get all their info from the heavily censored You Tube and the corrupt MSM.

    You know 'HA', I can forgive someone for thinking as you do back in early 2020, when the information was scarce, when people were busy with their families and work commitments, and didn't have the time to devote to it.

    BUT, for someone to be as ignorant as you are today, three years later, in light of all the data we now know about the complete failure of the lockdowns and the lethality of the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as vaccines (yes, the same Covid vaccines that had NO [short or long term] RANDOMISED CONTROLLED TRIALS), for you to be this stupid just boggles the mind.

    For those who want to learn the actual research on the matter, they could start with this article titled 'Jay Bhattacharya: "The Catastrophic Failure of Lockdowns, the Single Biggest Driver of Inequalities":

    https://www.extremelyamerican.com/post/jay-bhattacharya-the-catastrophic-failure-of-lockdowns-the-single-biggest-driver-of-inequalities

    One choice excerpt from the article:

    Lockdowns would ultimately devastate the poor, in America and around the world. In South Asia alone, lockdown policies killed an estimated 228,000 young children in the first wave of the pandemic, according to a U.N. report.

    For those of you that can't find the time to read the lengthy article, try the first 4 mins of the video below:

    https://rumble.com/v1pazyc-the-failure-of-covid-19-lockdowns-dr.-jay-bhattacharya-and-dr.-gigi-foster-.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&ep=2

    Many of you will know that Prof Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford) is one of the leading three signatories on the Great Barrington Declaration - along with Martin Kulldorff (Harvard) and Sunetra Gupta (Oxford).
    These are the best of the best. Gupta is THE world's leading infectious disease epidemiologist.

    Meanwhile, the 'research' that commenter 'HA' relies on is nothing but Big Pharma propaganda, and HA lacks the critical thinking capabilities to determine that.

    The following longer interview features Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Fxxrudk70

    Replies: @Mark G.

  272. HA says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @Truth Vigilante

    HA just can't let it go, can he? He's still clinging to the old time COVID religion. He just can't bear the notion that all those public health measures he subjected himself to were just a load of crap.

    At least Sailer and many of the others here have moved on. He simply don't dwell on it. COVID? What's that. But HA just can't do that. The embalmer will give him a booster shot for good measure and he'll be buried with his mask on.

    Replies: @HA

    “HA just can’t let it go, can he?”

    Are you really that lacking in self-awareness? Let me spell it out for you: If I were the only one who couldn’t let it go, I’d be commenting to myself. But I’m not, am I? So look in the mirror next time you want to accuse someone of not being able to let it go, dimwit. Or else, clear your mind and maybe have a chat with your buddy Truth Vigilante about Rachel Maddow or ZOG. Lot of obsessions that the two of you can’t let go besides that vaccine, I’m guessing. Like I said, peas in a pod, After all, the next time you choose to speak on behalf of people like him (or her, given the obsession with Rachel Maddow), you should know what you’re signing up for.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA

    Keep writing. All I see is "wah, wah, wah".

    Replies: @HA

  273. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "HA just can’t let it go, can he?"

    Are you really that lacking in self-awareness? Let me spell it out for you: If I were the only one who couldn't let it go, I'd be commenting to myself. But I'm not, am I? So look in the mirror next time you want to accuse someone of not being able to let it go, dimwit. Or else, clear your mind and maybe have a chat with your buddy Truth Vigilante about Rachel Maddow or ZOG. Lot of obsessions that the two of you can't let go besides that vaccine, I'm guessing. Like I said, peas in a pod, After all, the next time you choose to speak on behalf of people like him (or her, given the obsession with Rachel Maddow), you should know what you're signing up for.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Keep writing. All I see is “wah, wah, wah”.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    All I see is 'wah, wah, wah'”.

    Maybe that explains why you keep writing "We, we we" while claiming to be ignorant of what the word even means.

  274. @Mr. Anon
    @HA

    Keep writing. All I see is "wah, wah, wah".

    Replies: @HA

    All I see is ‘wah, wah, wah’”.

    Maybe that explains why you keep writing “We, we we” while claiming to be ignorant of what the word even means.

  275. @HA
    @Truth Vigilante

    "in lockstep with what the ZOG controlled MSM identities like her have been asserting during the Covid Psyop."

    Oh boy, and there we have it. No wonder you and Mr. Anon are so in sync -- peas in a pod. Such a wonderful little group he decided to become the spokesman of, if only by his own designation.

    "In Australia, where during the WHOLE of 2020 we were NOT lockdowned"

    Given the flight restrictions Australia imposed on the outside world -- and the quarantines they imposed on all the passengers on those flights (which I'm guessing were substantially relaxed or modified once the vaccines came along) you were indeed lockdowned, far more effectively than most other places. Deal with it, you clueless wack-job. Are you so dimwitted that I have to tell you what went on in your own country? Don't answer -- the evidence speaks for itself.

    Again, feel free to check the link, if you actually want to learn the actual research. My hunch is, you'll stick with Youtube videos and Facebook memes and feeding your unhealthy and downright creepy obsession with Rachel Maddow.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    Again, feel free to check the link, if you actually want to learn the actual research.
    My hunch is, you’ll stick with Youtube videos ….

    Of course, as anyone who’s bothered to do the objective research knows, ZOG controlled You Tube has taken down most of the videos from the world’s best physicians that have exposed the Covid Psyop for what it is.
    You Tube has gone out of its way to muzzle the truthtellers.
    The fact of the matter is that the ignorant vaxxers and compulsive face mask wearers get all their info from the heavily censored You Tube and the corrupt MSM.

    You know ‘HA’, I can forgive someone for thinking as you do back in early 2020, when the information was scarce, when people were busy with their families and work commitments, and didn’t have the time to devote to it.

    BUT, for someone to be as ignorant as you are today, three years later, in light of all the data we now know about the complete failure of the lockdowns and the lethality of the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as vaccines (yes, the same Covid vaccines that had NO [short or long term] RANDOMISED CONTROLLED TRIALS), for you to be this stupid just boggles the mind.

    For those who want to learn the actual research on the matter, they could start with this article titled ‘Jay Bhattacharya: “The Catastrophic Failure of Lockdowns, the Single Biggest Driver of Inequalities”:

    https://www.extremelyamerican.com/post/jay-bhattacharya-the-catastrophic-failure-of-lockdowns-the-single-biggest-driver-of-inequalities

    One choice excerpt from the article:

    Lockdowns would ultimately devastate the poor, in America and around the world. In South Asia alone, lockdown policies killed an estimated 228,000 young children in the first wave of the pandemic, according to a U.N. report.

    For those of you that can’t find the time to read the lengthy article, try the first 4 mins of the video below:

    https://rumble.com/v1pazyc-the-failure-of-covid-19-lockdowns-dr.-jay-bhattacharya-and-dr.-gigi-foster-.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&ep=2

    Many of you will know that Prof Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford) is one of the leading three signatories on the Great Barrington Declaration – along with Martin Kulldorff (Harvard) and Sunetra Gupta (Oxford).
    These are the best of the best. Gupta is THE world’s leading infectious disease epidemiologist.

    Meanwhile, the ‘research’ that commenter ‘HA’ relies on is nothing but Big Pharma propaganda, and HA lacks the critical thinking capabilities to determine that.

    The following longer interview features Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorff:

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Truth Vigilante

    It's turning out that the Ukrainians HA is supporting are about as effective at pushing the Russians out of their country as the Covid vaccines were at stopping the transmission of Covid:

    "Ukraine’s Western allies are getting nervous about the fact that the progress of Kyiv’s long-awaited counteroffensive is being measured in meters, rather than kilometers. Kyiv’s allies are well aware that Ukraine cannot defeat Russia without their help. But the slower than expected pace of the counteroffensive means their support could become increasingly unsustainable if the conflict drags on."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-s-counteroffensive-hasn-t-met-expectations-here-s-why-progress-has-been-slow/ar-AA1dowNJ

  276. @Truth Vigilante
    @HA


    Again, feel free to check the link, if you actually want to learn the actual research.
    My hunch is, you’ll stick with Youtube videos ....
     
    Of course, as anyone who's bothered to do the objective research knows, ZOG controlled You Tube has taken down most of the videos from the world's best physicians that have exposed the Covid Psyop for what it is.
    You Tube has gone out of its way to muzzle the truthtellers.
    The fact of the matter is that the ignorant vaxxers and compulsive face mask wearers get all their info from the heavily censored You Tube and the corrupt MSM.

    You know 'HA', I can forgive someone for thinking as you do back in early 2020, when the information was scarce, when people were busy with their families and work commitments, and didn't have the time to devote to it.

    BUT, for someone to be as ignorant as you are today, three years later, in light of all the data we now know about the complete failure of the lockdowns and the lethality of the experimental mRNA gene therapies that masquerade as vaccines (yes, the same Covid vaccines that had NO [short or long term] RANDOMISED CONTROLLED TRIALS), for you to be this stupid just boggles the mind.

    For those who want to learn the actual research on the matter, they could start with this article titled 'Jay Bhattacharya: "The Catastrophic Failure of Lockdowns, the Single Biggest Driver of Inequalities":

    https://www.extremelyamerican.com/post/jay-bhattacharya-the-catastrophic-failure-of-lockdowns-the-single-biggest-driver-of-inequalities

    One choice excerpt from the article:

    Lockdowns would ultimately devastate the poor, in America and around the world. In South Asia alone, lockdown policies killed an estimated 228,000 young children in the first wave of the pandemic, according to a U.N. report.

    For those of you that can't find the time to read the lengthy article, try the first 4 mins of the video below:

    https://rumble.com/v1pazyc-the-failure-of-covid-19-lockdowns-dr.-jay-bhattacharya-and-dr.-gigi-foster-.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&ep=2

    Many of you will know that Prof Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford) is one of the leading three signatories on the Great Barrington Declaration - along with Martin Kulldorff (Harvard) and Sunetra Gupta (Oxford).
    These are the best of the best. Gupta is THE world's leading infectious disease epidemiologist.

    Meanwhile, the 'research' that commenter 'HA' relies on is nothing but Big Pharma propaganda, and HA lacks the critical thinking capabilities to determine that.

    The following longer interview features Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Fxxrudk70

    Replies: @Mark G.

    It’s turning out that the Ukrainians HA is supporting are about as effective at pushing the Russians out of their country as the Covid vaccines were at stopping the transmission of Covid:

    “Ukraine’s Western allies are getting nervous about the fact that the progress of Kyiv’s long-awaited counteroffensive is being measured in meters, rather than kilometers. Kyiv’s allies are well aware that Ukraine cannot defeat Russia without their help. But the slower than expected pace of the counteroffensive means their support could become increasingly unsustainable if the conflict drags on.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-s-counteroffensive-hasn-t-met-expectations-here-s-why-progress-has-been-slow/ar-AA1dowNJ

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
  277. @Steve Sailer
    @Truth Vigilante

    I do sleep, you know.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante, @Truth Vigilante

    Hallelujah !! Praise the lord.

    My comment # 202 in this thread is FINALLY no longer in limbo and being subjected to ‘moderation’ – FIVE (5) DAYS after I posted it.
    It would’ve been nice to see it visible in close to real time, enabling the others in the commentariat to respond to it and thus fostering some lively debate.

    But Steve, for whatever reason, you deemed that it would offend the sensibilities of the other readers.
    Anyway, those readers that are still browsing this article and who were unable to read comment # 202 when this thread was current, please check it out and take note of the important things I’ve written*.
    (*It could well save the life of a loved one or prevent serious disability, for those of you that heed what Bobby Kennedy Jr has to say).

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