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From the New York Times news section:

How Much Racism Do You Face Every Day?
By AMY HARMON

JAN. 20, 2020

To see how your experience with discrimination compares with others’, answer some of the questions that were posed to 101 black teenagers as part of a study measuring the racism they face on a daily basis.

Anti-black bigotry in America can take many forms, some overt and some harder to measure. To find out just how pervasive racism is, a team of researchers tracked the experiences of 101 black teenagers in Washington, D.C., for two weeks.

Here are some of those questions presented to the teenagers. See how your experience compares. Your tally will appear at the bottom.

In the past two weeks,

QUESTION
How many times were you mistaken for someone else of your same race/ethnicity (who may not look like you at all)?

How many times did you see a racist image online (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or in a comments section)?

How many times did a teacher assume that you were an expert on people of your same race/ethnic background? (If you are not a student, consider a co-worker.)

Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks. That boils down to an average of more than five instances per day for each teenager. That’s more than 70 over two weeks.

Those findings may not be surprising to those who face routine discrimination, but they reflect a higher frequency of racism than has previously been reported.

What caused the increase? Researchers say that the study was the first to include so many expressions of racial bias, 58 in all, and to ask participants to record them daily. Previous studies have typically asked participants to recall experiences from the past, which researchers say is not as accurate.

Although there has been an increase in hate crimes during the Trump administration, this study measures incidents that occurred when Barack Obama was in the White House.

The teens who participated in the study were students at a middle school, a high school and a summer program in Washington. Those who experienced more instances of discrimination over the two weeks also showed more symptoms of short-term depression, the study found, such as difficulty sleeping, loneliness and anxiety.

“Part of why these types of microaggressions are so insidious is that a lot of times, white people can see them as not real, or not a big deal,’‘ said Devin English, a psychologist at Rutgers University who led the study. “But this is showing us the magnitude of the discrimination faced by black adolescents. It’s happening all the time. And it’s affecting how they feel.’’

Witnessing Racism

… How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair because of your race/ethnicity?

How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?

Racial teasing is common among adolescents and often it is seen as harmless. But previous studies have shown that it can lead to increases in anxiety symptoms for black adolescents.

In the research team’s interviews with black teens, Dr. English said, being teased about hair and skin tone was cited as a frequent way that they were treated differently because of their race.

… Measuring Microaggressions

How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural? 4
How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair, because of your race/ethnicity? 6

And so forth and so on …

 
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  1. “Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks. That boils down to an average of more than five instances per day for each teenager. That’s more than 70 over two weeks.”

    (5600/101 incidents per teen)/14 days = 3.96 incidents per day, which is less than 4, not “more than 5”. Also, 5*14 = 70, but 5600/14 = 400 incidents per day, and 400/101 = 3.96 incidents per teen per day.

    • Thanks: Tusk
    • Replies: @Mark Roulo
    “Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks... That’s more than 70 [per individual] over two weeks.”

    She divided 5,600 by 100 and got 70 ...
    , @JimB
    Not many white teens feel physically safe making personal comments about black peers, even ones they consider friends. Joking interactions can quickly go south, especially if others are around to “witness the diss.” I suspect what’s actually being reported in the study are incidents of lighter skin, thinner lipped blacks busting on their darker, more African looking brethren.
    , @Jack D
    I was told that there would be no math.
  2. What is the unit of measure for microaggressions? Jiggawhats?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Despite accounting for 13% of potential energy, the survey participants produced over 52% of total jiggawatts.

    Heavy!
    , @Kronos
    I’m afraid it ran on an... alternative energy ratio system...

    https://youtu.be/nFHzTCa3Pz8
  3. How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

    etc.

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    • Replies: @Hank Archer
    Very important point. Is it racism if a person of your race comments on your appearance or confuses you with another member of your shared race?
    , @Anonymous
    Like mocs by pocs ?
    , @Anon
    I was reading one of those anonymous high school teacher blogs, and the guy said that intra-black "colorism," darky-dark blacks and light skinned blacks going after each other, was common. Being lighter complexioned had lots of benefits, even within the black community, but was not as authentic.
    , @AnotherDad


    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?
     
    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.
     
    Spot on.

    Amy can hide behind "i'm fighting racism!". But if you are claiming to be a journalist, reporting this uncritically just outs you as someone who has never been around young--and even not so young--blacks.

    Of course, for the true believer blacks giving shit to other blacks is because ... structural racism! Whitey made them do it! It's non-falsifiable.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0yx58V_WTE
    , @Forbes
    Because ADOLESCENTS never tease one another...

    We have two problems in the culture that are somewhat inexplicable:

    1) Adults who never grow-up and mature into adulthood, retaining their adolescent behavior.

    2a) Adults (such as here) who, apparently don't remember adolescence, as they don't recognize adolescent behavior for the childhood innocence (and immaturity) it reflects.

    Alternatively, 2b) Adults who attempt to squeeze the childhood out of children by ostracizing normal, typical adolescent behaviors (teasing, joking, pranks, horse-play, exclusion/shunning with cliques, etc.) as beyond the pale.

    Behavior forbidden for adult reasons of fairness, political correctness, etc. This includes the Participation Trophy brigades protecting children from the rough and tumble of life that includes winning and losing--as if shielding children from negative (and positive) outcomes builds good character, personalities, and citizens.
  4. “Part of why these types of microaggressions are so insidious is that a lot of times, white people can see them as not real, or not a big deal,’‘ said Devin English, a psychologist at Rutgers University who led the study. “But this is showing us the magnitude of the discrimination faced by black adolescents. It’s happening all the time. And it’s affecting how they feel.’’

    Oh right, every other race is just soooo sensitive to black racial fragility except those evil white people.

    What planet does this idiot live on?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    This so-called study is the typical lying piece of junk the New York Times will promote.

    For example: (a) it doesn't say the "teens" were randomly selected; (b) it asks them to count up everything 'racist' thing they imagine without defining what is or isn't 'racist'; (c) it asks them to count up the number of times they were treated badly "because of" their race when it could only be rank speculation to assume that anybody else was thinking about their race; (d) it doesn't limit the interaction to members of other races.

    Obviously, it was a bunch of black kids hand-picked to have a contest to see who could list the highest number of imaginary microaggressions. Most people don't have that many total interactions in a week, much less racist ones.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    , @ScarletNumber

    What planet does this idiot live on?
     
    Newark, New Jersey.

    As the iSteve New Jersey correspondent, I did a little research into Dr. English. First, he works at the Newark campus of Rutgers, which is one of the satellite campuses. Second, he is young, approximately 31. Third, out of 10 professors in the Department of Urban-Global Public Health, he is the only one who insisted on including his pronouns on the department's website. Therefore, he isn't following a departmental norm.

    His BA is from Macalester while his PhD is from GW. His keywords are Critical health equity, Stigma, Discrimination, Minority Stress, Intersectionality, Black youth, LGBTQ health.

    In other Rutgers news, they hired a black president who was most recently provost at Northwestern. They are also ranked in the Top 25 in mens basketball for the first time since 1979.
    , @Alden
    The professor lives on Planet Academia, sworn enemy of the White people.
  5. They have so much evidence. Wow. Racism line go up!

  6. In about ten years, forgiving things I just forgot (which evidently weren’t all that comparable to Harmon’s injuries), one coworker commented on a ridiculous fluorescent winter hat and one coworker/roommate commented on how fast I can shave a full beard (with the use of an old fashioned safety razor and Sean Hannity endorsed Cremo). I said nothing about the hair of others because I didn’t want to risk offense and because I was busy working. How much hair static would these hairy women be dealing with if they were kept to a more rigorous schedule by unsympathetic overseers?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Overseers.

    Eeeeeeek!! A microaggression!
  7. No non-black is teasing black middle schoolers or high schoolers about skin tone or hair. Not “few” but zero. Period.

    Other blacks on the other hand…

    • Agree: Bubba, Mr McKenna
  8. This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He’s black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Calling BS on this Tiny Duck comment.

    C'mon! You are a low IQ, brainless loser by using a small alteration to the real Peter Johnson whose been posting here for years.

    , @Alfa158
    The problem with Tiny Duck now using a different pseudonym with every post, is that you can’t tell if it is the original TD, or someone spoofing the original TD. I suppose if you can’t tell who is who, then it doesn’t matter. It’s like if a copy of yourself was somehow created that was so exact that even you can’t think of a way to tell if you are the original or the copy. If there is no way to distinguish, then don’t even need to care which one you are.
    , @Autochthon
    One acts decently. One wears one's hair naturally.

    Can we please focus on the microagressive adjectivisation of adverbs? It's gotten pretty hairy....
    , @interesting
    Pleases stop with the sock accounts TinyDuck, you aren't fooling anyone,.........every one of your posts reads the exact same.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/bc/08/aebc08971f7d204f8f7b44656390e96b.jpg
    , @Peter Johnson
    Could you change your commenting name; it is too confusing with me (the original Peter Johnson) since as written it only differs by one missing letter. How about calling yourself The Other Peter Johnson?? Just so we are not confused? Regards, Peter Johnson, with both "o"s.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    This is another 1 comment history sock puppet.
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    You know, Tiny, just complaining doesn't help with your understanding of the real world.

    The key question to ask is "compared to what?" Ask yourself, "where in the history of the world have people of African descent had a better life?"

    Since the real answer to that question is "nowhere", perhaps you should stop whining. If you think the answer to that question is e.g. The Gambia, then move there. But for God's sake stop complaining.

    You degrade yourself and tire us.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    The over-the-top illogic of TD's comments and the absurdly Tennessee-Coates quality of his PC/SJW rants had convinced me that he was lampooning standard prog thought. But these latter day attempts at anonymity and masking are forcing me to rethink my convictions. It saddens me to think that TD may be for real.
  9. Kids are cruel to each other. Irrespective of race. They pick any perceived difference and magnify it. It’s called breaking balls. Blacks do it to each other, so do whites. Amy, get over it!

  10. One thing that seems unaddressed in the paper (or i didn’t see how) is WHO is making these racist statements or just generally what context these racist interactions are happening in. The IRL ones.

    The participants are black and they are from a neighborhood that’s 96% black. (that number’s in the paper).

    So in what environments are they hanging out where they’re not in the majority and e.g. would encounter tokenism where a teacher would expect a participant to be a representative of his race?

    By the same light, all the “teasing” that’s being measured is probably black on black teasing. (at least i don’t see how the study excludes or addresses that).
    Not that that’s not going to have an effect, but it’s very different than the implied narrative of the nyt article that whites are doing this.

    • Replies: @Rob
    Wow, 96% black! So they’re just measuring how mean black kids are to each other. They should be nicer, but it’s not really something white people can fix.
    , @ben tillman

    The participants are black and they are from a neighborhood that’s 96% black. (that number’s in the paper).

    So in what environments are they hanging out where they’re not in the majority and e.g. would encounter tokenism where a teacher would expect a participant to be a representative of his race?

    By the same light, all the “teasing” that’s being measured is probably black on black teasing. (at least i don’t see how the study excludes or addresses that).
    Not that that’s not going to have an effect, but it’s very different than the implied narrative of the nyt article that whites are doing this.
     
    Great point about the 96% black neighborhood (which I didn't realize). And sound reasoning all around.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I'll just add the reported experiences of several anthropologists I have known who worked in sub-Saharan Africa. When they had opportunities to speak honestly and off the record about their African experiences, they uniformly reported that a standard African insult was to claim that some other African was blacker/darker skinned than the norm. People from neighboring villages/tribes were almost invariably disparaged and one standard form this took was to describe these people as being especially Negroid in one way or another. Racism seems to be a native component of the Black soul.
  11. I love the question “How many times did the teacher think that you were an expert?” So essentially, if the teacher asks the black student about their experience as a black person, they are racist. Of course, if they don’t ask, they are also racist.

    • Replies: @gregor
    Right, it’s a catch-22. If you don’t defer to their perspective as a person of color, then you’re “whitesplaining” or some such. It reminds of that 80s movie War Games where (spoiler) the computer figures out that “the only winning move is not to play.” It remains to be seen if White people will ever learn that lesson.
  12. Researchers say that the study was the first to include so many expressions of racial bias, 58 in all, and to ask participants to record them daily.

    This reminds me of nothing so much as the ‘defining-down’ of sexual assault during the Obama administration:

    Sexual violence includes using false promises, insistent pressure, abusive comments or reputational threats to coerce sex acts. It can encompass noncontact acts like catcalls and whistles, which can make women feel objectified and victimized. It includes nonconsensual electronic sharing of explicit images…unwanted sexual attention: unwanted touching, hugging, stroking, kissing, relentless pressure for dates… Note that romantic and sexual overtures come in many varieties. To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient.

    • Replies: @Jim bob lassiter
    "To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient. "

    So if my advances are welcome and unpleasant or unwelcome and pleasant then I'm in the clear, right?
  13. Methinks it would not be a good idea to tease the ones that they bus into the suburbs, let alone the ones in urban public schools, where a white might be considered lucky to be among 10%. That is, if he were popular among the Hispanics and Arabs.

  14. I didn’t know the Los Angeles Times had a Detroit bureau till I read Amy Harmon’s bio. But I guess it’s kind of obvious.

    The Seattle Times (West Coast newspapers are like Australian states, with their imaginative names) probably has a Kona bureau, and one for Yirgacheffe, too.

    Miami, Medellin. And so on…

  15. @inertial

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

     

    etc.

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    Very important point. Is it racism if a person of your race comments on your appearance or confuses you with another member of your shared race?

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    Yes, because even though it is likely most comments came from other black students they have had slavery, jim crow and systemic racism baked into their DNA. They can't help it, this is only something Great White Father can fix.
  16. Not only have i never heard a random white person (on the street, at work, whatever) comment on a black persons hair, but even of my closest friends and close acquaintences (i guess about 1/10th black, depending on the circumstance) i’ve never heard anyone comment on each others hair. I have several very close black friends, and I’ve never ever joked about their hair. I did once point to one of them when we were camping in the SF area and there were signs about a “black bear spotted near here”. He loved it. He’s a big cuddly black man.

    I call bullshit on this.

  17. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    What is the unit of measure for microaggressions? Jiggawhats?

    Despite accounting for 13% of potential energy, the survey participants produced over 52% of total jiggawatts.

    Heavy!

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
  18. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    Calling BS on this Tiny Duck comment.

    C’mon! You are a low IQ, brainless loser by using a small alteration to the real Peter Johnson whose been posting here for years.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    Knew there was something odd about that post.

    Not the first time that The Mini-Mallard has pulled this kind of stunt.
  19. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    What is the unit of measure for microaggressions? Jiggawhats?

    I’m afraid it ran on an… alternative energy ratio system…

  20. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    The problem with Tiny Duck now using a different pseudonym with every post, is that you can’t tell if it is the original TD, or someone spoofing the original TD. I suppose if you can’t tell who is who, then it doesn’t matter. It’s like if a copy of yourself was somehow created that was so exact that even you can’t think of a way to tell if you are the original or the copy. If there is no way to distinguish, then don’t even need to care which one you are.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I think someone tossed TD a small chunk of dry ice and he ate it. I'm told that this is an extremely cruel thing to do to aquatic avians, like feeding Alka-Seltzers to seagulls. The dry ice turns to carbon dioxide gas in dramatic fashion and the poor bird can't belch or vent it and....well, it's terrible.
  21. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    One acts decently. One wears one’s hair naturally.

    Can we please focus on the microagressive adjectivisation of adverbs? It’s gotten pretty hairy….

  22. What is the unit of measure for microaggressions? Jiggawhats?

    That is even funnier than you realize, because you have burned not just blacks, but even Stevie Baby himself.

    Steve doesn’t know the difference between ‘micro’, ‘nano’, ‘mega’, and ‘giga’. By conflating ‘micro’ with ‘giga’ (or ‘jigga’), you have sent our host into a frenzy of Wikipedia-scouring.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I always figured it was a Back to the Future reference. Which future generations will know as the prototype for Rick and Morty...
    , @CCZ
    My answer to Professor English's “it’s affecting how they feel.”

    Seeking to respect the safe space desired by those who feel the emotional pain of verbal micro-aggressions, I am henceforth ceasing to talk, email, discuss, converse, or inter-act in order to avoid, even inadvertently, committing a micro-aggression of any sort. I fully recognize that withdrawing from discourse may itself be a micro-aggression, but, to ensure the future sanctity of the safe space that is desired, I have decided that one singular micro-aggression (the initiation of silence and withdrawal of personal inter-action) would be preferable to the substantial risk of even inadvertent micro-aggressing that is inherent, and most likely inevitable, in continuing communication or personal interaction.

    To all persons who read this, please accept my sincere apology for any pain that you may feel upon reading this micro-aggression. Inflicting pain was not my intention, but I recognize, that because of my past insularity and extensive privilege(s), I am neither imaginative enough nor sufficiently culturally literate to present or phrase my comments in a way that would not inflict pain upon some or perhaps even all of the persons who comprise a politically, socially, economically, physically, ethnically, racially, culturally, sexually, religiously, intellectually, occupationally, functionally, educationally, philosophically diverse community.

    Likewise, I sincerely apologize for my failure, recognizing the limits of my capacities, to consider my pico-, femto-, atto-, zepto-, or yocto-aggressions and for the perhaps very obvious macro-aggression of defining these words for those who already know them. (Pico refers to 10^-12; femto is a thousand times less, atto is a thousand times less than that, then zepto, and finally yocto at a whopping 10^-24.)
    , @peterike

    By conflating ‘micro’ with ‘giga’ (or ‘jigga’), you have sent our host into a frenzy of Wikipedia-scouring.
     
    Yeah, well somebody completely missed the "jigga" joke, and it wasn't Steve.
  23. They really needed to ask the blacks about teasing etc. by whites, Asians and Hispanic non-blacks. If one black taunts another about xir nappy head, it isn’t clear that whites can be blamed. I never saw a non-black engage or show interest in interblack taunting.

    Shouldn’t they have asked white kids how often a non-white has mistaken them for another white person, and whether they’ve seen anti-white images, have they felt unsafe because of their race, avoided certain schoolrooms, streets or neighborhoods because of anti-white inhabitants. In a diverse society there is going to be a fair amount of interracial friction.

    This study does not demonstrate that blacks experience more racism than Hispanics or Asians, and even white people may encounter more anti-white bigotry and hostility. This study does not address this.

    In the weeds:

    “How many times did you witness a peer being made fun of because their race/ethnicity? 7
    How many times did you see a peer of your same race/ethnicity teased because of their race/ethnicity? 4”

    There is very little difference between teased and made fun of. The big difference is that the first question says peer, and the second says a peer of the same ethnicity, so another black. The teens see 3 non-blacks teased for every 4 blacks. Depending on the racial breakdown of their peer group, this could be a higher rate for whites or hispanics.

    Finally, they correlate the discrimination survey results to depressive symptoms, but the causation could go from depressive symptoms to imputing racism.

    They really needed a control group, or compared ghetto blacks to more integrated suburban blacks

  24. If they were serious about studying levels of racism they would control for the higher average level of touchiness of African Americans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They're a very tactile people, but like @Isteve says you dont want to be near them in hurricane season.
  25. Iron clad “science” here.

    Reminds me of the NBC News poll in that article you linked to by that lunatic suggesting we ban voting Republican because it might be unconstitutional racial discrimination.

    The Poll:

    Is racism in America getting worse?

    A Yes

    B. No, it just gets more exposure because of the internet.

  26. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks. That boils down to an average of more than five instances per day for each teenager. That’s more than 70 over two weeks."

    (5600/101 incidents per teen)/14 days = 3.96 incidents per day, which is less than 4, not "more than 5". Also, 5*14 = 70, but 5600/14 = 400 incidents per day, and 400/101 = 3.96 incidents per teen per day.

    “Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks… That’s more than 70 [per individual] over two weeks.”

    She divided 5,600 by 100 and got 70 …

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Stop pointing out Amy sucks at elementary school math, you cisheteronormative patriarchal oppressor! Amy knows she is right, she doesn't need stats, because stats were invented by that bad person Francis Galton, who was a racist, which means he was wrong and a bigot so shut up and sit down while Amy lectures you, bigot!
    , @Redneck farmer
    Well, just don't think, let alone make, a comment about women and math.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Since all the data is made up to begin with, it seems gratuitous to point out Amy's lack of math skills in analyzing it. You must be sexist.
  27. @vhrm
    One thing that seems unaddressed in the paper (or i didn't see how) is WHO is making these racist statements or just generally what context these racist interactions are happening in. The IRL ones.

    The participants are black and they are from a neighborhood that's 96% black. (that number's in the paper).

    So in what environments are they hanging out where they're not in the majority and e.g. would encounter tokenism where a teacher would expect a participant to be a representative of his race?

    By the same light, all the "teasing" that's being measured is probably black on black teasing. (at least i don't see how the study excludes or addresses that).
    Not that that's not going to have an effect, but it's very different than the implied narrative of the nyt article that whites are doing this.

    Wow, 96% black! So they’re just measuring how mean black kids are to each other. They should be nicer, but it’s not really something white people can fix.

  28. @inertial

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

     

    etc.

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    Like mocs by pocs ?

  29. AMY HARMON = Babylon Bee full employment

    • LOL: jim jones
  30. @Dave Pinsen
    If they were serious about studying levels of racism they would control for the higher average level of touchiness of African Americans.

    They’re a very tactile people, but like @Isteve says you dont want to be near them in hurricane season.

  31. none of the questions presented imply racism……racism is “I hate blacks Mexicans and Asian and don’t associate with them because they are inferior”

    THAT is racism this is grievances that some can cash in on, nothing more, nothing less.

  32. Larry’s back for Season 10.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    I thought that was Bernie Sanders until I saw the MAGA hat.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/fragsies/status/1219118014056095745
  33. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    Pleases stop with the sock accounts TinyDuck, you aren’t fooling anyone,………every one of your posts reads the exact same.

  34. I went to high school in rural Maine. We had about 450 kids in our school, and only one was black. He’d been adopted. He was overweight, and not at all athletic and hung out in the computer lab all the time. When we took our SAT’s he scored a 450 verbal, but aced the math, a perfect 800. He ended up going to MIT, and I think is now doing code and computer engineering somewhere for more money than I will ever make. We gave him loads of shit, all sorts of ribbing that SJW assholes would classify as incessant “micro aggression,” but it was also pretty clear that everyone basically loved him. I’d like to know if he looks back on it all with any fondness or not. I can say that I am still fond of him, even though I haven’t seen him since high school.

    There was another kid in our class, a German kid who moved in our sophomore year. He became a friend of mine, and I would hang out at his house and play chess with him. I think his father was some sort of intelligence asset for the German government, because there were German diplomats and other odd people that popped up there all the time. His great grand father had been a fighter pilot during WW I, and his house was a hall of high Bavarian culture oddly planted in the middle of the Maine countryside. We of course gave him loads of crap too, made all sorts of tasteless jokes about lampshades and soap, greeted him with “Hail Victory!” in the halls, all sorts of crap like that. It was completely twisted, but you know how funny shit like that can seem when you are a kid.. It actually still cracks me up now, thinking about it.

    The thing is that “micro aggression” can be, and often is, a sign of affection.. Especially amongst boys and men. Comedy – which is an essential way of acknowledging and salving tragic reality, defusing anger and grievance – depends upon it. That’s the problem here: these SJW assholes want to weaponize tragedy and use it to bludgeon, manipulate, shame and control people. This totalitarian impulse will ultimately end it violence and tears, unless we refuse to assent to their bullying, and retain and regain the moral high ground by mocking them for the dimwitted absurd morally bankrupt twits they are.

    Apu Lives! The likes of Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappell have the right attitude. It’s time to mock and laugh these twats down. Moral contempt and constant smirking is the apt solution.. This, else we ultimately be forced to actually defend ourselves from their totalitarian idiocy with actual physical force..

    • Agree: Kratoklastes, BB753, sayless
  35. How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?

    This makes me think of all the white kids who had freckles when I was in school. I neither liked or disliked freckles on people, but some clear skinned kids thought it was worth mild teasing, for some reason. The teasing was fairly rare, though, and didn’t really happen beyond the fourth grade. (I can’t remember any freckled kid getting upset, though they might’ve and not showed it.) It seems to me that red haired kids had freckles more than other kids.

    Strangely, I always thought of kids with freckles as kind of…different, in some more than trivial but less than essential way, but I never would’ve let freckles stop me from having a crush on a girl if she was pretty and nice. I had lots of male friends with freckles and, of course, it didn’t matter.

  36. @ColRebSez
    I love the question "How many times did the teacher think that you were an expert?" So essentially, if the teacher asks the black student about their experience as a black person, they are racist. Of course, if they don't ask, they are also racist.

    Right, it’s a catch-22. If you don’t defer to their perspective as a person of color, then you’re “whitesplaining” or some such. It reminds of that 80s movie War Games where (spoiler) the computer figures out that “the only winning move is not to play.” It remains to be seen if White people will ever learn that lesson.

  37. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    The problem with Tiny Duck now using a different pseudonym with every post, is that you can’t tell if it is the original TD, or someone spoofing the original TD. I suppose if you can’t tell who is who, then it doesn’t matter. It’s like if a copy of yourself was somehow created that was so exact that even you can’t think of a way to tell if you are the original or the copy. If there is no way to distinguish, then don’t even need to care which one you are.

    I think someone tossed TD a small chunk of dry ice and he ate it. I’m told that this is an extremely cruel thing to do to aquatic avians, like feeding Alka-Seltzers to seagulls. The dry ice turns to carbon dioxide gas in dramatic fashion and the poor bird can’t belch or vent it and….well, it’s terrible.

  38. Once seen, their competition hair — sprayed, mussed and sweated out — apparently cannot be unseen. Black Twitter trolls have slathered Douglas and Biles with their slave shack judgment; the gymnasts’ technical brilliance and creative genius has been overlooked and replaced with social media’s Big House aesthetics. Yes, whites and Latinos have thrown shade, too. But it’s mostly a lot of trifling black men and women who seem pissed that Douglas and Biles “failed” the respectability optics test.

    https://theundefeated.com/features/black-women-hair-and-olympic-power/

    While the amazing Gabby Douglas was wowing most Americans in the past couple Olympics, black women were trashing her hair. As noted above 96% of the students in this survey live in black neighborhoods. That being said, hopefully none of them are reading isteve comments.

  39. Any article with the word race/racism/racist in the title or the lede is automatic skipbait. ZFG. MEGO.

    Yes, yes, yes, we need to keep up with the latest anti-white rhetoric – know thy enemy and all of that – but it is so incredibly f**king tedious. After slogging through a few paragraphs of this s**t, I’m ready to smash a fist through my computer.

    I did an image search for Amy Harmon. At first I was struck by her resemblance to Andie MacDowell:

    But that was the wrong Amy. This is the one who writes for the NYT:

    Silly rabbit, facts are for deplorables! Enlightened NYT reporters can make things up as they go along.

    In the search results, I spotted a picture of two people, one of them an exceedingly unattractive white … person (of disturbingly indeterminate gender). Thinking that this might be an extremely unflattering candid shot of the redoubtable Mrs. Harmon, I clicked on it, only to find that it was the visual accompaniment to a behind-the-scenes article chronicling Amy’s fascinating experiences in reporting on “nonbinary” teenagers:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/reader-center/nonbinary-teens-reporting.html

    How much does she get paid to churn out this crap?

    • LOL: donut
    • Replies: @vhrm

    Yes, yes, yes, we need to keep up with the latest anti-white rhetoric – know thy enemy and all of that – but it is so incredibly f**king tedious.
    ...
     
    Often i feel this way too. It's good to catalog this stuff but IDK how to use it to mount a defense or effect change or to conciseness raise others (but in a"respectable" non-Nazi way)...
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I did an image search for Amy Harmon. At first I was struck by her resemblance to Andie MacDowell:
     
    I was originally struck by Andie's resemblance to Trini Alvarado who, though much younger, is a more experienced and better actress. (Sorry, Trini, if I've damned you with faint praise...)

    Does Esquire still do its periodic people-whom-we-always-confuse lists? I remember those in the '70s. The confusion could be similar looks, similarity of names, of writing style or genre, whatever.
  40. How many times were you mistaken for someone else of your same race/ethnicity (who may not look like you at all)?

    How many times did you see a racist image online (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or in a comments section)?

    How many times did a teacher assume that you were an expert on people of your same race/ethnic background? (If you are not a student, consider a co-worker.)

    Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks.

    No, they didn’t report any. It would be impossible for them to do so under the conditions you described.

  41. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks. That boils down to an average of more than five instances per day for each teenager. That’s more than 70 over two weeks."

    (5600/101 incidents per teen)/14 days = 3.96 incidents per day, which is less than 4, not "more than 5". Also, 5*14 = 70, but 5600/14 = 400 incidents per day, and 400/101 = 3.96 incidents per teen per day.

    Not many white teens feel physically safe making personal comments about black peers, even ones they consider friends. Joking interactions can quickly go south, especially if others are around to “witness the diss.” I suspect what’s actually being reported in the study are incidents of lighter skin, thinner lipped blacks busting on their darker, more African looking brethren.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  42. Why doesn’t it occur to people that the reason why blacks have kinky hair is because ancient Africans liked the way it looked? If they didn’t, it would have been bred out in favor of straight hair.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Why doesn’t it occur to people that the reason why blacks have kinky hair is because ancient Africans liked the way it looked? '

    More likely, it was to maximize cooling. It's the same reason they have low body fat and big...appendages.

  43. @Thomm

    What is the unit of measure for microaggressions? Jiggawhats?
     
    That is even funnier than you realize, because you have burned not just blacks, but even Stevie Baby himself.

    Steve doesn't know the difference between 'micro', 'nano', 'mega', and 'giga'. By conflating 'micro' with 'giga' (or 'jigga'), you have sent our host into a frenzy of Wikipedia-scouring.

    I always figured it was a Back to the Future reference. Which future generations will know as the prototype for Rick and Morty

  44. I will say that here they are at least being specific and attempting to measure things instead of just falling back on vague talk of systemic racism, etc. Usually they don’t do this because when you actually spell out specific examples of modern racism, it doesn’t sound very severe and it sounds like a stretch to use as an excuse for poor test scores and high crime.

    Below is a Twitter exchange I came across today that takes the more traditional approach.

    Guy 1: Take, for arguments sake, the situation where racism is monotonically declining. Do you expect the school performance gaps to increase, decrease, or what?

    You need to agree on the prediction made by the env[ironmental] model first.

    Guy 2 (a philosophy prof at Yale): No I don’t. I don’t need to make any such speculation. That’s your thing, not mine. There is a huge amount of systematic structural racism that pervades US society, and it explains gaps. Who knows about what would your thesis about monotonic decline, it’s irrelevant.

    So the guy will not concede that racism has attentuated at all over the last 50 years or so and he refuses to make any testable claims. If overt discrimination decreases but scores haven’t improved, well then hidden racism must have increased by the exact amount needed to compensate. Like I said, there’s a reason they don’t typically try to quantify racial oppression and correlate changes in the level of oppression with minority outcomes.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1219084705234137088

    • Replies: @James J OMeara
    I see people are starting to pooh-pooh blaming things on the Frankfurt School, but..

    They really did learn this stuff from them. Marcuse makes a big deal at one point in One Dimensional Man (likely the only FS book these dweebs ever read) about how "positivist" (i.e. non-FS) social research is a tool of oppression since it substitutes "quantifiable" questions for revolutionary action. He gives the example of surveying workers to find out "why their job sucks" and then implementing "concrete solutions" like adding another water fountain or more toilets. By "reducing" worker dissatisfaction to specific facts, revolutionary ardor is oppressed, etc.

    This is also why they abandoned the working class; the latter were "bought off" by getting more toilets, houses, cars, etc. IOW, actually addressing the problems of workers is counter-revolutionary.

    Arguably, Marxism was always about short-circuiting real improvements in workers' lives, substituting "real" "scientific" socialism.
  45. @Mark Roulo
    “Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks... That’s more than 70 [per individual] over two weeks.”

    She divided 5,600 by 100 and got 70 ...

    Stop pointing out Amy sucks at elementary school math, you cisheteronormative patriarchal oppressor! Amy knows she is right, she doesn’t need stats, because stats were invented by that bad person Francis Galton, who was a racist, which means he was wrong and a bigot so shut up and sit down while Amy lectures you, bigot!

    • LOL: jim jones
  46. @vhrm
    One thing that seems unaddressed in the paper (or i didn't see how) is WHO is making these racist statements or just generally what context these racist interactions are happening in. The IRL ones.

    The participants are black and they are from a neighborhood that's 96% black. (that number's in the paper).

    So in what environments are they hanging out where they're not in the majority and e.g. would encounter tokenism where a teacher would expect a participant to be a representative of his race?

    By the same light, all the "teasing" that's being measured is probably black on black teasing. (at least i don't see how the study excludes or addresses that).
    Not that that's not going to have an effect, but it's very different than the implied narrative of the nyt article that whites are doing this.

    The participants are black and they are from a neighborhood that’s 96% black. (that number’s in the paper).

    So in what environments are they hanging out where they’re not in the majority and e.g. would encounter tokenism where a teacher would expect a participant to be a representative of his race?

    By the same light, all the “teasing” that’s being measured is probably black on black teasing. (at least i don’t see how the study excludes or addresses that).
    Not that that’s not going to have an effect, but it’s very different than the implied narrative of the nyt article that whites are doing this.

    Great point about the 96% black neighborhood (which I didn’t realize). And sound reasoning all around.

  47. @Thomm

    What is the unit of measure for microaggressions? Jiggawhats?
     
    That is even funnier than you realize, because you have burned not just blacks, but even Stevie Baby himself.

    Steve doesn't know the difference between 'micro', 'nano', 'mega', and 'giga'. By conflating 'micro' with 'giga' (or 'jigga'), you have sent our host into a frenzy of Wikipedia-scouring.

    My answer to Professor English’s “it’s affecting how they feel.”

    Seeking to respect the safe space desired by those who feel the emotional pain of verbal micro-aggressions, I am henceforth ceasing to talk, email, discuss, converse, or inter-act in order to avoid, even inadvertently, committing a micro-aggression of any sort. I fully recognize that withdrawing from discourse may itself be a micro-aggression, but, to ensure the future sanctity of the safe space that is desired, I have decided that one singular micro-aggression (the initiation of silence and withdrawal of personal inter-action) would be preferable to the substantial risk of even inadvertent micro-aggressing that is inherent, and most likely inevitable, in continuing communication or personal interaction.

    To all persons who read this, please accept my sincere apology for any pain that you may feel upon reading this micro-aggression. Inflicting pain was not my intention, but I recognize, that because of my past insularity and extensive privilege(s), I am neither imaginative enough nor sufficiently culturally literate to present or phrase my comments in a way that would not inflict pain upon some or perhaps even all of the persons who comprise a politically, socially, economically, physically, ethnically, racially, culturally, sexually, religiously, intellectually, occupationally, functionally, educationally, philosophically diverse community.

    Likewise, I sincerely apologize for my failure, recognizing the limits of my capacities, to consider my pico-, femto-, atto-, zepto-, or yocto-aggressions and for the perhaps very obvious macro-aggression of defining these words for those who already know them. (Pico refers to 10^-12; femto is a thousand times less, atto is a thousand times less than that, then zepto, and finally yocto at a whopping 10^-24.)

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    I am henceforth ceasing to talk, email, discuss, converse, or inter-act in order to avoid, even inadvertently, committing a micro-aggression of any sort.
     
    You may think you can withdraw, but it's not that simple. People thought they could protect their families from crime by moving way out from their places of business and commuting two hours a day, but we're wrecking zoning so as to bring the crime right out to them.

    People thought they could get away with daydreaming through their Diversity Training, but we're forcing them to take part in role-playing exercises in front of everyone else, and if they fail to perform correctly, their career takes a nosedive.

    You may think you can avoid or evade the wreckage, but we're bringing the wreckage to you. And it won't stop until every one of you--and each and every single thing you value--is completely ruined. Have a nice day.

  48. How many times were you mistaken for someone else of your same race/ethnicity (who may not look like you at all)?

    The Chinese are using facial recognition software to identify Hong Kong protesters. Even they can’t tell each other apart!

  49. “When They See Us”

    …they think “Tessa Majors”

  50. Rules must be obeyed .

    I can’t tell the boys from the girls . Believe it or not there’s some females out there you smack ’em you own ’em . Now we’ve gone from dunking scolds to running one for president .

    Can I touch your hair baby ?

  51. One of my go to jokes i use on my black friends is around Christmas time wishing them with a straightface a joyous kwaaanza…..always gets good laugh followed by a fuck you man.

  52. @Stan Adams
    Any article with the word race/racism/racist in the title or the lede is automatic skipbait. ZFG. MEGO.

    Yes, yes, yes, we need to keep up with the latest anti-white rhetoric - know thy enemy and all of that - but it is so incredibly f**king tedious. After slogging through a few paragraphs of this s**t, I'm ready to smash a fist through my computer.

    I did an image search for Amy Harmon. At first I was struck by her resemblance to Andie MacDowell:
    https://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1341709289p8/5829056.jpg

    But that was the wrong Amy. This is the one who writes for the NYT:
    https://www.pulitzer.org/cms/sites/default/files/styles/bio_photo/public/bio-photo/AmyHarmon1.jpg

    Silly rabbit, facts are for deplorables! Enlightened NYT reporters can make things up as they go along.

    In the search results, I spotted a picture of two people, one of them an exceedingly unattractive white ... person (of disturbingly indeterminate gender). Thinking that this might be an extremely unflattering candid shot of the redoubtable Mrs. Harmon, I clicked on it, only to find that it was the visual accompaniment to a behind-the-scenes article chronicling Amy's fascinating experiences in reporting on "nonbinary" teenagers:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/reader-center/nonbinary-teens-reporting.html

    How much does she get paid to churn out this crap?

    Yes, yes, yes, we need to keep up with the latest anti-white rhetoric – know thy enemy and all of that – but it is so incredibly f**king tedious.

    Often i feel this way too. It’s good to catalog this stuff but IDK how to use it to mount a defense or effect change or to conciseness raise others (but in a”respectable” non-Nazi way)…

  53. @silviosilver

    “Part of why these types of microaggressions are so insidious is that a lot of times, white people can see them as not real, or not a big deal,’‘ said Devin English, a psychologist at Rutgers University who led the study. “But this is showing us the magnitude of the discrimination faced by black adolescents. It’s happening all the time. And it’s affecting how they feel.’’
     
    Oh right, every other race is just soooo sensitive to black racial fragility except those evil white people.

    What planet does this idiot live on?

    This so-called study is the typical lying piece of junk the New York Times will promote.

    For example: (a) it doesn’t say the “teens” were randomly selected; (b) it asks them to count up everything ‘racist’ thing they imagine without defining what is or isn’t ‘racist’; (c) it asks them to count up the number of times they were treated badly “because of” their race when it could only be rank speculation to assume that anybody else was thinking about their race; (d) it doesn’t limit the interaction to members of other races.

    Obviously, it was a bunch of black kids hand-picked to have a contest to see who could list the highest number of imaginary microaggressions. Most people don’t have that many total interactions in a week, much less racist ones.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.
     
    Macroaggresions, derived from microaggressions. A new kind of alchemy. The detection of the self-stabilizing and self-feeding process of continuous societal self-deception and damage production. - An autonomous anti-social bullshit factory. This is how progress looks like nowadays.
    , @Mr McKenna

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.
     
    They also have bad qualities, you know.
    , @silviosilver

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.
     
    No question. And this Amy Harmon is an especially nasty piece of work.

    I do take some comfort from the likelihood that her desperate lies result from her fear that the anti-white status quo is at risk of crumbling, so she'd better double, triple and sextuple down.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The article also does not break out the sexes (f**k gender) of the participants. As others have noted, guys give each other s**t all the time. "Hey, man! Did your mom buy you that shirt?" "No. Your wife did".

    A similar conversation between two females would result in immortal mutual hatred.
  54. @BenKenobi
    Despite accounting for 13% of potential energy, the survey participants produced over 52% of total jiggawatts.

    Heavy!

    Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth’s gravitational pull?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    You got a real attitude problem, McFly. You're a slacker! You remind me of you father when he went here. He was a slacker too.
  55. @Stan Adams
    Any article with the word race/racism/racist in the title or the lede is automatic skipbait. ZFG. MEGO.

    Yes, yes, yes, we need to keep up with the latest anti-white rhetoric - know thy enemy and all of that - but it is so incredibly f**king tedious. After slogging through a few paragraphs of this s**t, I'm ready to smash a fist through my computer.

    I did an image search for Amy Harmon. At first I was struck by her resemblance to Andie MacDowell:
    https://images.gr-assets.com/authors/1341709289p8/5829056.jpg

    But that was the wrong Amy. This is the one who writes for the NYT:
    https://www.pulitzer.org/cms/sites/default/files/styles/bio_photo/public/bio-photo/AmyHarmon1.jpg

    Silly rabbit, facts are for deplorables! Enlightened NYT reporters can make things up as they go along.

    In the search results, I spotted a picture of two people, one of them an exceedingly unattractive white ... person (of disturbingly indeterminate gender). Thinking that this might be an extremely unflattering candid shot of the redoubtable Mrs. Harmon, I clicked on it, only to find that it was the visual accompaniment to a behind-the-scenes article chronicling Amy's fascinating experiences in reporting on "nonbinary" teenagers:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/reader-center/nonbinary-teens-reporting.html

    How much does she get paid to churn out this crap?

    I did an image search for Amy Harmon. At first I was struck by her resemblance to Andie MacDowell:

    I was originally struck by Andie’s resemblance to Trini Alvarado who, though much younger, is a more experienced and better actress. (Sorry, Trini, if I’ve damned you with faint praise…)

    Does Esquire still do its periodic people-whom-we-always-confuse lists? I remember those in the ’70s. The confusion could be similar looks, similarity of names, of writing style or genre, whatever.

  56. @silviosilver

    “Part of why these types of microaggressions are so insidious is that a lot of times, white people can see them as not real, or not a big deal,’‘ said Devin English, a psychologist at Rutgers University who led the study. “But this is showing us the magnitude of the discrimination faced by black adolescents. It’s happening all the time. And it’s affecting how they feel.’’
     
    Oh right, every other race is just soooo sensitive to black racial fragility except those evil white people.

    What planet does this idiot live on?

    What planet does this idiot live on?

    Newark, New Jersey.

    As the iSteve New Jersey correspondent, I did a little research into Dr. English. First, he works at the Newark campus of Rutgers, which is one of the satellite campuses. Second, he is young, approximately 31. Third, out of 10 professors in the Department of Urban-Global Public Health, he is the only one who insisted on including his pronouns on the department’s website. Therefore, he isn’t following a departmental norm.

    His BA is from Macalester while his PhD is from GW. His keywords are Critical health equity, Stigma, Discrimination, Minority Stress, Intersectionality, Black youth, LGBTQ health.

    In other Rutgers news, they hired a black president who was most recently provost at Northwestern. They are also ranked in the Top 25 in mens basketball for the first time since 1979.

    • Thanks: silviosilver
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1219006644459204608
  57. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    • LOL: Mr McKenna, sayless, JMcG
  58. @ScarletNumber

    What planet does this idiot live on?
     
    Newark, New Jersey.

    As the iSteve New Jersey correspondent, I did a little research into Dr. English. First, he works at the Newark campus of Rutgers, which is one of the satellite campuses. Second, he is young, approximately 31. Third, out of 10 professors in the Department of Urban-Global Public Health, he is the only one who insisted on including his pronouns on the department's website. Therefore, he isn't following a departmental norm.

    His BA is from Macalester while his PhD is from GW. His keywords are Critical health equity, Stigma, Discrimination, Minority Stress, Intersectionality, Black youth, LGBTQ health.

    In other Rutgers news, they hired a black president who was most recently provost at Northwestern. They are also ranked in the Top 25 in mens basketball for the first time since 1979.

    • Replies: @CCZ

    In his first visit to Yale since leaving to become provost of Northwestern University, beloved former Dean of Yale College Jonathan Holloway gave the opening remarks at a Yale Political Union debate on whether the U.S. government should pay reparations to the descendants of slaves.

    Addressing a packed crowd in William L. Harkness Hall, Holloway, the former chair of Yale’s African American Studies Department argued not for cash transfers — which he called impractical — but for reparations in the form of structured federal programs designed to provide African Americans with greater opportunity in housing, health care and education.

    Holloway emphasized the benefits of affirmative action in college admissions.... He said he understood why some may find affirmative action unfair. But the world has never been fair, he stressed, and reparations are warranted.

    “The real work for a place at Yale is not about the name on the building,” Holloway said. “It’s about a deep and substantive commitment to being honest about power, structural systems of privilege and their perpetuation.”
     
    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/04/06/holloway-returns-to-campus-debates-reparations/
  59. For this wonderful and excellent essay, I nominate Ms. Harmon for membership of London’s prestigious “Wig & Pen Club”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    For this wonderful and excellent essay, I nominate Ms. Harmon for membership of London’s prestigious “Wig & Pen Club”.
     
    London's is no more:

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/nov/29/pressandpublishing.uknews


    But the tradition lives on in Iowa:

    https://www.wigandpenpizza.com
  60. Hair today ……. Gone tomorrow.

  61. @Hypnotoad666
    This so-called study is the typical lying piece of junk the New York Times will promote.

    For example: (a) it doesn't say the "teens" were randomly selected; (b) it asks them to count up everything 'racist' thing they imagine without defining what is or isn't 'racist'; (c) it asks them to count up the number of times they were treated badly "because of" their race when it could only be rank speculation to assume that anybody else was thinking about their race; (d) it doesn't limit the interaction to members of other races.

    Obviously, it was a bunch of black kids hand-picked to have a contest to see who could list the highest number of imaginary microaggressions. Most people don't have that many total interactions in a week, much less racist ones.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    Macroaggresions, derived from microaggressions. A new kind of alchemy. The detection of the self-stabilizing and self-feeding process of continuous societal self-deception and damage production. – An autonomous anti-social bullshit factory. This is how progress looks like nowadays.

  62. @Mark Roulo
    “Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks... That’s more than 70 [per individual] over two weeks.”

    She divided 5,600 by 100 and got 70 ...

    Well, just don’t think, let alone make, a comment about women and math.

  63. OT: Tucker Carlson dropped Affordable Family Formation hard on air tonight.

  64. tonight……your hair is beautiful

  65. @Lot
    Larry’s back for Season 10.

    https://i.imgur.com/9kK2sW7_d.jpg?maxwidth=640

    I thought that was Bernie Sanders until I saw the MAGA hat.

  66. @Anonymous
    For this wonderful and excellent essay, I nominate Ms. Harmon for membership of London's prestigious "Wig & Pen Club".

    For this wonderful and excellent essay, I nominate Ms. Harmon for membership of London’s prestigious “Wig & Pen Club”.

    London’s is no more:

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2003/nov/29/pressandpublishing.uknews

    But the tradition lives on in Iowa:

    https://www.wigandpenpizza.com

  67. @Lot
    Larry’s back for Season 10.

    https://i.imgur.com/9kK2sW7_d.jpg?maxwidth=640

  68. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    Could you change your commenting name; it is too confusing with me (the original Peter Johnson) since as written it only differs by one missing letter. How about calling yourself The Other Peter Johnson?? Just so we are not confused? Regards, Peter Johnson, with both “o”s.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    How about he change his name to The Smaller Peter Johnson?
    , @MEH 0910
    Tiny Duck has also done one previous sock puppet comment as PeterJohnson. He's being a little prick.
  69. Moans from a wolrd in which the biggest problem you have is deciding what idijotic stuff to watch on TV this afternoon.

    And it’s affecting how they feel.

    “It’s as if a billion blacks had been asked about their hair, then suddenly silenced.”

    In an upcoming movie, “Driving Miss Harmon (up the wall)”, the black driver counts the microaggressions he witnesses throughout.

    “…12…. 13..14…151617…”

    • LOL: Lurker
  70. @Mark Roulo
    “Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks... That’s more than 70 [per individual] over two weeks.”

    She divided 5,600 by 100 and got 70 ...

    Since all the data is made up to begin with, it seems gratuitous to point out Amy’s lack of math skills in analyzing it. You must be sexist.

  71. Amy Harmon, New York Times = Warm inky meat! Me so horny!

  72. @Hypnotoad666
    This so-called study is the typical lying piece of junk the New York Times will promote.

    For example: (a) it doesn't say the "teens" were randomly selected; (b) it asks them to count up everything 'racist' thing they imagine without defining what is or isn't 'racist'; (c) it asks them to count up the number of times they were treated badly "because of" their race when it could only be rank speculation to assume that anybody else was thinking about their race; (d) it doesn't limit the interaction to members of other races.

    Obviously, it was a bunch of black kids hand-picked to have a contest to see who could list the highest number of imaginary microaggressions. Most people don't have that many total interactions in a week, much less racist ones.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    They also have bad qualities, you know.

  73. @CCZ
    My answer to Professor English's “it’s affecting how they feel.”

    Seeking to respect the safe space desired by those who feel the emotional pain of verbal micro-aggressions, I am henceforth ceasing to talk, email, discuss, converse, or inter-act in order to avoid, even inadvertently, committing a micro-aggression of any sort. I fully recognize that withdrawing from discourse may itself be a micro-aggression, but, to ensure the future sanctity of the safe space that is desired, I have decided that one singular micro-aggression (the initiation of silence and withdrawal of personal inter-action) would be preferable to the substantial risk of even inadvertent micro-aggressing that is inherent, and most likely inevitable, in continuing communication or personal interaction.

    To all persons who read this, please accept my sincere apology for any pain that you may feel upon reading this micro-aggression. Inflicting pain was not my intention, but I recognize, that because of my past insularity and extensive privilege(s), I am neither imaginative enough nor sufficiently culturally literate to present or phrase my comments in a way that would not inflict pain upon some or perhaps even all of the persons who comprise a politically, socially, economically, physically, ethnically, racially, culturally, sexually, religiously, intellectually, occupationally, functionally, educationally, philosophically diverse community.

    Likewise, I sincerely apologize for my failure, recognizing the limits of my capacities, to consider my pico-, femto-, atto-, zepto-, or yocto-aggressions and for the perhaps very obvious macro-aggression of defining these words for those who already know them. (Pico refers to 10^-12; femto is a thousand times less, atto is a thousand times less than that, then zepto, and finally yocto at a whopping 10^-24.)

    I am henceforth ceasing to talk, email, discuss, converse, or inter-act in order to avoid, even inadvertently, committing a micro-aggression of any sort.

    You may think you can withdraw, but it’s not that simple. People thought they could protect their families from crime by moving way out from their places of business and commuting two hours a day, but we’re wrecking zoning so as to bring the crime right out to them.

    People thought they could get away with daydreaming through their Diversity Training, but we’re forcing them to take part in role-playing exercises in front of everyone else, and if they fail to perform correctly, their career takes a nosedive.

    You may think you can avoid or evade the wreckage, but we’re bringing the wreckage to you. And it won’t stop until every one of you–and each and every single thing you value–is completely ruined. Have a nice day.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @CCZ
    Not in any way disagreeing with any of your comments. I was just noting that I shall attempt to disengage (segregate so to speak), as much as possible, from those who Mr. English represents and the subjects of his advocacy and concern, as difficult or as impossible as that might be.

    Also, a few years from now, I do see that we will no longer be talking of micro-aggressions, but rather of pico, femto, or even yocto-aggressions.
  74. 1. It’s all so tiresome.

    2. “Devin English” sounds like a made up character name of someone who works at MI6 with James Bond.

    3. Amy Harmon looks like she could eat corn on the cob through a picket fence.

  75. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    "Collectively, the 101 black teens participating in the study reported more than 5,600 experiences of racial discrimination over two weeks. That boils down to an average of more than five instances per day for each teenager. That’s more than 70 over two weeks."

    (5600/101 incidents per teen)/14 days = 3.96 incidents per day, which is less than 4, not "more than 5". Also, 5*14 = 70, but 5600/14 = 400 incidents per day, and 400/101 = 3.96 incidents per teen per day.

    I was told that there would be no math.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  76. @Hypnotoad666
    This so-called study is the typical lying piece of junk the New York Times will promote.

    For example: (a) it doesn't say the "teens" were randomly selected; (b) it asks them to count up everything 'racist' thing they imagine without defining what is or isn't 'racist'; (c) it asks them to count up the number of times they were treated badly "because of" their race when it could only be rank speculation to assume that anybody else was thinking about their race; (d) it doesn't limit the interaction to members of other races.

    Obviously, it was a bunch of black kids hand-picked to have a contest to see who could list the highest number of imaginary microaggressions. Most people don't have that many total interactions in a week, much less racist ones.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    No question. And this Amy Harmon is an especially nasty piece of work.

    I do take some comfort from the likelihood that her desperate lies result from her fear that the anti-white status quo is at risk of crumbling, so she’d better double, triple and sextuple down.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    It could also stem from her fear that the anti-white status quo is likely to intensify, so she’d better double, triple and sextuple down lest she be unpersoned herself.
  77. @ScarletNumber
    Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?

    You got a real attitude problem, McFly. You’re a slacker! You remind me of you father when he went here. He was a slacker too.

  78. @Peter Johnson
    Could you change your commenting name; it is too confusing with me (the original Peter Johnson) since as written it only differs by one missing letter. How about calling yourself The Other Peter Johnson?? Just so we are not confused? Regards, Peter Johnson, with both "o"s.

    How about he change his name to The Smaller Peter Johnson?

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    The Johnson that couldn't deliver all the O's.
  79. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    This is another 1 comment history sock puppet.

  80. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    You know, Tiny, just complaining doesn’t help with your understanding of the real world.

    The key question to ask is “compared to what?” Ask yourself, “where in the history of the world have people of African descent had a better life?”

    Since the real answer to that question is “nowhere”, perhaps you should stop whining. If you think the answer to that question is e.g. The Gambia, then move there. But for God’s sake stop complaining.

    You degrade yourself and tire us.

  81. If it’s DC it means most of these kids have nearly all of their daily interactions with other blacks, particularly in school. I would guess 95% of the incidents are from other blacks, and if course teenagers are totally reliable subjects to report back to researchers, am I right?

    To the extent these kids have stressors, it’s likely inflicted by black classmates, neighbors, and family members.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    There's a pat answer to that — the same answer you'll get if you point out that black cops are just as aggressive to blacks as are white cops: that there's a pervasive culture of racism that even blacks absorb.

    I learned this from the Freddy Grey incident. Also, from the excessive-ticketing-of-black-motorists-in-suburban-StLouis flap.

  82. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect

    Although most studies done about the cross race effect are with black and white participants, there are also numerous studies done with people of different ethnic backgrounds.[22] For example, there are studies done that compare Hispanic with black and white participants, black with white and Japanese participants, Chinese with Korean and white participants, Chinese with Indian and other East Asian ethnic participants,[23] Turkish and German participants, and finally a study has been done comparing Arab and Israeli Jews.[22] The data from all of these studies have come to the same conclusion. The cross-race effect is evident among all people of all different races.[22]

    If people of all races have trouble recognizing the faces of people outside of their race, why is it included as an incidence of anti-black racism?

    Oh, right, because it’s just another convenient stick to beat whites with, I forgot.

  83. @Arclight
    If it's DC it means most of these kids have nearly all of their daily interactions with other blacks, particularly in school. I would guess 95% of the incidents are from other blacks, and if course teenagers are totally reliable subjects to report back to researchers, am I right?

    To the extent these kids have stressors, it's likely inflicted by black classmates, neighbors, and family members.

    There’s a pat answer to that — the same answer you’ll get if you point out that black cops are just as aggressive to blacks as are white cops: that there’s a pervasive culture of racism that even blacks absorb.

    I learned this from the Freddy Grey incident. Also, from the excessive-ticketing-of-black-motorists-in-suburban-StLouis flap.

  84. It’s not really about hair. It’s about the more general principle that when it comes to making any comment to a black person, a white person may only speak when spoken to.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
  85. @inertial

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

     

    etc.

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    I was reading one of those anonymous high school teacher blogs, and the guy said that intra-black “colorism,” darky-dark blacks and light skinned blacks going after each other, was common. Being lighter complexioned had lots of benefits, even within the black community, but was not as authentic.

  86. @Peter Johnson
    Could you change your commenting name; it is too confusing with me (the original Peter Johnson) since as written it only differs by one missing letter. How about calling yourself The Other Peter Johnson?? Just so we are not confused? Regards, Peter Johnson, with both "o"s.

    Tiny Duck has also done one previous sock puppet comment as PeterJohnson. He’s being a little prick.

  87. A jury of their peers.

  88. @J.Ross
    In about ten years, forgiving things I just forgot (which evidently weren't all that comparable to Harmon's injuries), one coworker commented on a ridiculous fluorescent winter hat and one coworker/roommate commented on how fast I can shave a full beard (with the use of an old fashioned safety razor and Sean Hannity endorsed Cremo). I said nothing about the hair of others because I didn't want to risk offense and because I was busy working. How much hair static would these hairy women be dealing with if they were kept to a more rigorous schedule by unsympathetic overseers?

    Overseers.

    Eeeeeeek!! A microaggression!

  89. @inertial

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

     

    etc.

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    Spot on.

    Amy can hide behind “i’m fighting racism!”. But if you are claiming to be a journalist, reporting this uncritically just outs you as someone who has never been around young–and even not so young–blacks.

    Of course, for the true believer blacks giving shit to other blacks is because … structural racism! Whitey made them do it! It’s non-falsifiable.

  90. @Thomm

    What is the unit of measure for microaggressions? Jiggawhats?
     
    That is even funnier than you realize, because you have burned not just blacks, but even Stevie Baby himself.

    Steve doesn't know the difference between 'micro', 'nano', 'mega', and 'giga'. By conflating 'micro' with 'giga' (or 'jigga'), you have sent our host into a frenzy of Wikipedia-scouring.

    By conflating ‘micro’ with ‘giga’ (or ‘jigga’), you have sent our host into a frenzy of Wikipedia-scouring.

    Yeah, well somebody completely missed the “jigga” joke, and it wasn’t Steve.

  91. According to the BBC wacism is everywhere:

    • Thanks: Desiderius, kikz
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The gig is up, AWFLs!

    Give it up now before NAMs figure out you snaked all their Affirmative Action for the last forty years.
  92. “Part of why these types of microaggressions are so insidious is that a lot of times, white people can see them as not real, or not a big deal,’‘

    Imagine that – treating a microaggression as if it were no big deal.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Black Knight doesn't give a damn about White Arthur's persistent microaggressions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4cEwzUgdA

    Also winning disability pokemon points at every turn!
  93. @silviosilver

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.
     
    No question. And this Amy Harmon is an especially nasty piece of work.

    I do take some comfort from the likelihood that her desperate lies result from her fear that the anti-white status quo is at risk of crumbling, so she'd better double, triple and sextuple down.

    It could also stem from her fear that the anti-white status quo is likely to intensify, so she’d better double, triple and sextuple down lest she be unpersoned herself.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    May she live in diverse times.
  94. A perfect combo – the New York TImes and black teens self-reporting incidents of racism. What’s not to believe???

    • LOL: Prester John
  95. I wonder if any of these virtue signaling race baiters constantly yelling “racist!” have contemplated what happens when large numbers of white people quit giving a damn.?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  96. So this is what passes now for the media’s mandatory MLK-Day story angle? “King’s Dream: No Microagression.” By the way, check suicide rates by race to see who’s really getting macro-aggressed.

  97. Although there has been an increase in hate crimes during the Trump administration, this study measures incidents that occurred when Barack Obama was in the White House.

    Given that this was stated by Amy Harmon in the New York Times as if it were an incontrovertible fact, I assume that it is not true.

    And – as always – there is no such thing as a “hate crime” anyway.

  98. OT: Gamergate developments

    These people are just radioactive grifters

    Zoe Quinn & Anita Sarkeesian, twin queens of Gamergate, turned feminist victimhood into a career, then cheated their followers

    • LOL: JMcG
  99. @PeterJhnson
    This is the reality of the abiding African American experience as it persists from day to day.

    This article is proof that we need to be doing more to fight online discrimination/bullying. No one should feel threatened in person or when browsing online!

    My partners nephew recently lost his job and was replaced by a white male while He still had it. Came to work everyday on time. People of the building he did Concierge work for loved him. There was no reason to replace him m. Except that, He's black. T

    I know whites have proven themselves selfish beyond redemption but could you at least TRY to act decent?

    The over-the-top illogic of TD’s comments and the absurdly Tennessee-Coates quality of his PC/SJW rants had convinced me that he was lampooning standard prog thought. But these latter day attempts at anonymity and masking are forcing me to rethink my convictions. It saddens me to think that TD may be for real.

  100. @Jon

    “Part of why these types of microaggressions are so insidious is that a lot of times, white people can see them as not real, or not a big deal,’‘
     
    Imagine that - treating a microaggression as if it were no big deal.

    Black Knight doesn’t give a damn about White Arthur’s persistent microaggressions:

    Also winning disability pokemon points at every turn!

  101. @vhrm
    One thing that seems unaddressed in the paper (or i didn't see how) is WHO is making these racist statements or just generally what context these racist interactions are happening in. The IRL ones.

    The participants are black and they are from a neighborhood that's 96% black. (that number's in the paper).

    So in what environments are they hanging out where they're not in the majority and e.g. would encounter tokenism where a teacher would expect a participant to be a representative of his race?

    By the same light, all the "teasing" that's being measured is probably black on black teasing. (at least i don't see how the study excludes or addresses that).
    Not that that's not going to have an effect, but it's very different than the implied narrative of the nyt article that whites are doing this.

    I’ll just add the reported experiences of several anthropologists I have known who worked in sub-Saharan Africa. When they had opportunities to speak honestly and off the record about their African experiences, they uniformly reported that a standard African insult was to claim that some other African was blacker/darker skinned than the norm. People from neighboring villages/tribes were almost invariably disparaged and one standard form this took was to describe these people as being especially Negroid in one way or another. Racism seems to be a native component of the Black soul.

  102. @Lurker
    It could also stem from her fear that the anti-white status quo is likely to intensify, so she’d better double, triple and sextuple down lest she be unpersoned herself.

    May she live in diverse times.

  103. You’d think turning bald like that congresswoman whose name I forgot would be a blessing for those capillary microaggressed women of color! Wearing a wig is the solution to their woes.

  104. @jim jones
    According to the BBC wacism is everywhere:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jhQsp4Ow0A

    The gig is up, AWFLs!

    Give it up now before NAMs figure out you snaked all their Affirmative Action for the last forty years.

  105. @MikeatMikedotMike
    How about he change his name to The Smaller Peter Johnson?

    The Johnson that couldn’t deliver all the O’s.

  106. With the joke dual endorsement it’s now confirmed that the target market of the NYT is ladies who would like to lunch but who can’t score any invites because they’re ignorant, tiresome, vindictive cat ladies who as a result have a lot of time on their hands to read the Times and money to reward advertisers.

  107. @Mr McKenna

    I am henceforth ceasing to talk, email, discuss, converse, or inter-act in order to avoid, even inadvertently, committing a micro-aggression of any sort.
     
    You may think you can withdraw, but it's not that simple. People thought they could protect their families from crime by moving way out from their places of business and commuting two hours a day, but we're wrecking zoning so as to bring the crime right out to them.

    People thought they could get away with daydreaming through their Diversity Training, but we're forcing them to take part in role-playing exercises in front of everyone else, and if they fail to perform correctly, their career takes a nosedive.

    You may think you can avoid or evade the wreckage, but we're bringing the wreckage to you. And it won't stop until every one of you--and each and every single thing you value--is completely ruined. Have a nice day.

    Not in any way disagreeing with any of your comments. I was just noting that I shall attempt to disengage (segregate so to speak), as much as possible, from those who Mr. English represents and the subjects of his advocacy and concern, as difficult or as impossible as that might be.

    Also, a few years from now, I do see that we will no longer be talking of micro-aggressions, but rather of pico, femto, or even yocto-aggressions.

  108. Kids, make sure you’ve got a record of your participation in the survey. It’s worth at least 100 Adversity Points on your SAT.

    • LOL: Carol
  109. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1219006644459204608

    In his first visit to Yale since leaving to become provost of Northwestern University, beloved former Dean of Yale College Jonathan Holloway gave the opening remarks at a Yale Political Union debate on whether the U.S. government should pay reparations to the descendants of slaves.

    Addressing a packed crowd in William L. Harkness Hall, Holloway, the former chair of Yale’s African American Studies Department argued not for cash transfers — which he called impractical — but for reparations in the form of structured federal programs designed to provide African Americans with greater opportunity in housing, health care and education.

    Holloway emphasized the benefits of affirmative action in college admissions…. He said he understood why some may find affirmative action unfair. But the world has never been fair, he stressed, and reparations are warranted.

    “The real work for a place at Yale is not about the name on the building,” Holloway said. “It’s about a deep and substantive commitment to being honest about power, structural systems of privilege and their perpetuation.”

    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/04/06/holloway-returns-to-campus-debates-reparations/

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Holloway emphasized the benefits of affirmative action in college admissions…. He said he understood why some may find affirmative action unfair. But the world has never been fair, he stressed, and
     
    let's make sure it never is.
  110. So let me get this straight; they asked TEENAGERS to record incidents they found offensive to their own person…? The very premise of this study was a pre-determined setup from the get-go.

    Regardless of whether they were black, white, etc., of course the researchers were going to be inundated with positive responses. Teenagers are typified as angst-ridden critters in the midst of enduring an awful phase of self-consciousness. Obviously they were going to say (and ‘feel,’ valid or not) that they were being set upon…

    It’s like asking a cancer patient sporting a recently-shaved head if he thinks people are staring at his bald head… Whether people are or are not staring, the perception will always be that they are due to self-consciousness.

    • Replies: @kihowi
    Not to mention that victimhood is the premier social currency among the people they asked. What were they going to do? Say they're not victims?

    This is like asking 20-year-old men how much sex they're having and then drawing the Scientific! conclusion that there aren't any 20-year-old virgins.
  111. @inertial

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

     

    etc.

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

  112. @Bubba
    Calling BS on this Tiny Duck comment.

    C'mon! You are a low IQ, brainless loser by using a small alteration to the real Peter Johnson whose been posting here for years.

    Knew there was something odd about that post.

    Not the first time that The Mini-Mallard has pulled this kind of stunt.

    • Agree: Bubba
  113. @Mr McKenna

    Researchers say that the study was the first to include so many expressions of racial bias, 58 in all, and to ask participants to record them daily.
     
    This reminds me of nothing so much as the 'defining-down' of sexual assault during the Obama administration:

    Sexual violence includes using false promises, insistent pressure, abusive comments or reputational threats to coerce sex acts. It can encompass noncontact acts like catcalls and whistles, which can make women feel objectified and victimized. It includes nonconsensual electronic sharing of explicit images...unwanted sexual attention: unwanted touching, hugging, stroking, kissing, relentless pressure for dates... Note that romantic and sexual overtures come in many varieties. To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient.
     

    “To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient. ”

    So if my advances are welcome and unpleasant or unwelcome and pleasant then I’m in the clear, right?

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @James N. Kennett

    “To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient. ”

    So if my advances are welcome and unpleasant or unwelcome and pleasant then I’m in the clear, right?
     
    Unpleasant to the recipient. It's all about how she feels, and you have no control over that.
  114. Some of these questions relate to Type I vs Type II errors.

    How many times were you mistaken for someone else of your same race/ethnicity (who may not look like you at all)?

    The counterpart is “Have you ever been blanked/ignored by someone of a different race who should have recognised you?”

    How many times did a teacher assume that you were an expert on people of your same race/ethnic background? (If you are not a student, consider a co-worker.)

    “How many times did a teacher ‘whitesplain’ something about people of your your race/ethnicity without asking your opinion?”

    If the people who devise these experiments have any goodwill, they would be interested to hear about the problems with the assumptions that they are making. But, more likely, the purpose of the “study” is simply to reinforce the beliefs of the researchers: black bodies good, white bodies bad.

  115. @Jim bob lassiter
    "To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient. "

    So if my advances are welcome and unpleasant or unwelcome and pleasant then I'm in the clear, right?

    “To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient. ”

    So if my advances are welcome and unpleasant or unwelcome and pleasant then I’m in the clear, right?

    Unpleasant to the recipient. It’s all about how she feels, and you have no control over that.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    I was trifling with legalese aspects of "and", but I feel ya bro'. BTW, back in the day I did have quite a bit of influence on "how she feels".
  116. @inertial

    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair ?
    How many times did a peer tease you because of your skin tone?
    How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural?

     

    etc.

    Did they specify that the peer had to be non-black? I would guess that if you exclude microagressors of color the frequency of any of these things happening would be 0.001 time a week.

    Because ADOLESCENTS never tease one another…

    We have two problems in the culture that are somewhat inexplicable:

    1) Adults who never grow-up and mature into adulthood, retaining their adolescent behavior.

    2a) Adults (such as here) who, apparently don’t remember adolescence, as they don’t recognize adolescent behavior for the childhood innocence (and immaturity) it reflects.

    Alternatively, 2b) Adults who attempt to squeeze the childhood out of children by ostracizing normal, typical adolescent behaviors (teasing, joking, pranks, horse-play, exclusion/shunning with cliques, etc.) as beyond the pale.

    Behavior forbidden for adult reasons of fairness, political correctness, etc. This includes the Participation Trophy brigades protecting children from the rough and tumble of life that includes winning and losing–as if shielding children from negative (and positive) outcomes builds good character, personalities, and citizens.

  117. @gregor
    I will say that here they are at least being specific and attempting to measure things instead of just falling back on vague talk of systemic racism, etc. Usually they don’t do this because when you actually spell out specific examples of modern racism, it doesn’t sound very severe and it sounds like a stretch to use as an excuse for poor test scores and high crime.

    Below is a Twitter exchange I came across today that takes the more traditional approach.

    Guy 1: Take, for arguments sake, the situation where racism is monotonically declining. Do you expect the school performance gaps to increase, decrease, or what?

    You need to agree on the prediction made by the env[ironmental] model first.

    Guy 2 (a philosophy prof at Yale): No I don't. I don't need to make any such speculation. That's your thing, not mine. There is a huge amount of systematic structural racism that pervades US society, and it explains gaps. Who knows about what would your thesis about monotonic decline, it's irrelevant.

    So the guy will not concede that racism has attentuated at all over the last 50 years or so and he refuses to make any testable claims. If overt discrimination decreases but scores haven’t improved, well then hidden racism must have increased by the exact amount needed to compensate. Like I said, there’s a reason they don’t typically try to quantify racial oppression and correlate changes in the level of oppression with minority outcomes.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1219084705234137088

    I see people are starting to pooh-pooh blaming things on the Frankfurt School, but..

    They really did learn this stuff from them. Marcuse makes a big deal at one point in One Dimensional Man (likely the only FS book these dweebs ever read) about how “positivist” (i.e. non-FS) social research is a tool of oppression since it substitutes “quantifiable” questions for revolutionary action. He gives the example of surveying workers to find out “why their job sucks” and then implementing “concrete solutions” like adding another water fountain or more toilets. By “reducing” worker dissatisfaction to specific facts, revolutionary ardor is oppressed, etc.

    This is also why they abandoned the working class; the latter were “bought off” by getting more toilets, houses, cars, etc. IOW, actually addressing the problems of workers is counter-revolutionary.

    Arguably, Marxism was always about short-circuiting real improvements in workers’ lives, substituting “real” “scientific” socialism.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The weakest argument against talking about the Frankfurt School or criticizing CultMarx has got to be the lack of direct connections. They're a school. They propagate a method which then gets propagated further beyond the school (and is even used by enemies, ie, traditionalist "culture war"). If you meet a young Marxian they will insist that you demonstrate some direct connection like Marcuse was an artist with an uncopiable signature, or they will talk about whether or not a particular personality was formally in the Frankfurt School.
  118. @Rob Lee
    So let me get this straight; they asked TEENAGERS to record incidents they found offensive to their own person...? The very premise of this study was a pre-determined setup from the get-go.

    Regardless of whether they were black, white, etc., of course the researchers were going to be inundated with positive responses. Teenagers are typified as angst-ridden critters in the midst of enduring an awful phase of self-consciousness. Obviously they were going to say (and 'feel,' valid or not) that they were being set upon...

    It's like asking a cancer patient sporting a recently-shaved head if he thinks people are staring at his bald head... Whether people are or are not staring, the perception will always be that they are due to self-consciousness.

    Not to mention that victimhood is the premier social currency among the people they asked. What were they going to do? Say they’re not victims?

    This is like asking 20-year-old men how much sex they’re having and then drawing the Scientific! conclusion that there aren’t any 20-year-old virgins.

  119. @Hypnotoad666
    This so-called study is the typical lying piece of junk the New York Times will promote.

    For example: (a) it doesn't say the "teens" were randomly selected; (b) it asks them to count up everything 'racist' thing they imagine without defining what is or isn't 'racist'; (c) it asks them to count up the number of times they were treated badly "because of" their race when it could only be rank speculation to assume that anybody else was thinking about their race; (d) it doesn't limit the interaction to members of other races.

    Obviously, it was a bunch of black kids hand-picked to have a contest to see who could list the highest number of imaginary microaggressions. Most people don't have that many total interactions in a week, much less racist ones.

    The New York Times is an irredeemable, lying, race-baiting rag doing untold harm to America.

    The article also does not break out the sexes (f**k gender) of the participants. As others have noted, guys give each other s**t all the time. “Hey, man! Did your mom buy you that shirt?” “No. Your wife did”.

    A similar conversation between two females would result in immortal mutual hatred.

  120. I’ve been mistaken for an Iranian on two separate occasions. Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep.

  121. @James J OMeara
    I see people are starting to pooh-pooh blaming things on the Frankfurt School, but..

    They really did learn this stuff from them. Marcuse makes a big deal at one point in One Dimensional Man (likely the only FS book these dweebs ever read) about how "positivist" (i.e. non-FS) social research is a tool of oppression since it substitutes "quantifiable" questions for revolutionary action. He gives the example of surveying workers to find out "why their job sucks" and then implementing "concrete solutions" like adding another water fountain or more toilets. By "reducing" worker dissatisfaction to specific facts, revolutionary ardor is oppressed, etc.

    This is also why they abandoned the working class; the latter were "bought off" by getting more toilets, houses, cars, etc. IOW, actually addressing the problems of workers is counter-revolutionary.

    Arguably, Marxism was always about short-circuiting real improvements in workers' lives, substituting "real" "scientific" socialism.

    The weakest argument against talking about the Frankfurt School or criticizing CultMarx has got to be the lack of direct connections. They’re a school. They propagate a method which then gets propagated further beyond the school (and is even used by enemies, ie, traditionalist “culture war”). If you meet a young Marxian they will insist that you demonstrate some direct connection like Marcuse was an artist with an uncopiable signature, or they will talk about whether or not a particular personality was formally in the Frankfurt School.

    • Replies: @kikz
    don't forget their ideological cousins the LOE&P Fabians and their minions. they use the Fulbright transfer as conduit straight into the US and its levers of power.
  122. @James N. Kennett

    “To constitute unlawful sexual harassment, the sexual advances must be unwelcome and unpleasant to the recipient. ”

    So if my advances are welcome and unpleasant or unwelcome and pleasant then I’m in the clear, right?
     
    Unpleasant to the recipient. It's all about how she feels, and you have no control over that.

    I was trifling with legalese aspects of “and”, but I feel ya bro’. BTW, back in the day I did have quite a bit of influence on “how she feels”.

  123. I’m going to share a little incident that happened in between when I first tried typing out a comment and now (I was having issues with posting as I’ve changed pseudonym).

    We were sitting in a brand-spanking new coffee shop (always good to scope out the competition) when a young yuppie white woman was walking her young toddler.

    I could almost predict of the vibe of this young woman as she greeted the other table of two girls (university students) but as she walked past us she simply asked us if our dog was good with kids (she had brought her child across the shop towards our dog, who is somewhat eye-catching).

    Now this is of course a very trivial incident but I noted the disparate behaviour in how she interacted with us and the other table (also I’m writing it down so it’s difficult to traduce the subtlety of the situation).

    I could bet my bottom penny that if we were white, it would have been a very different interaction. Now I don’t mind and this is not a complaint but it’s incidents like these (for instance in Uganda I was mistaken for the only other brown guy in our local climbing club and we were the only coloured people at the club in UGANDA) that raise awareness.

    Now of course the West by and large is the patrimony of white people and I don’t write this to complain (this would definitely be the wrong site for that lol and I also lean towards the Tory party) but I do see that the Western pretension to Universal Civilisation and some kind of Moral Superiority beginning to waste away with the Counter-Reformation to the Great Awokening.

    Again that is not a problem, we may see middling cities like Dubai and perhaps London (which is de-ethnicised) emerge as global magnets for the world’s energised migrants/expats to mingle.

    Apologies for the rant but I thought I would provide some nuance to the original post. The expression may be over-wraught but the initial feeling certainly isn’t and it’s something that one would never know unless one belongs to the culture/gender (I can’t begin to understand sexism and I won’t pretend to either but I did some good evidence of mansplaining by an avowed anti-elitist liberal later on in the evening).

    • Replies: @newrouter
    >a young yuppie white woman was walking her young toddler.

    I could almost predict of the vibe of this young woman as she greeted the other table of two girls (university students) but as she walked past us she simply asked us if our dog was good with kids (she had brought her child across the shop towards our dog, who is somewhat eye-catching).<

    Alot of assumptions by you.
    , @vhrm
    i don't doubt that race increased your perceived risk.

    But there are also other modifiers in play:
    - you're a guy (i assume) which is risk +
    - sitting there with a girl? (risk -)
    - friendly seeming dog?
    - nice (but not too nice) clothes
    -etc etc

    i think the fact that she said anything at all implied some level of acceptance.
    (at least as i transpose the scene in my head. like you said it's tough to capture the entirety of the vibe in just a few sentences and i wasn't there. (and even if i was i could only guess at what she was thinking and why))
    , @Anonymous
    Today's London is a shit hole. A cess pit. The asshole of the world. The turd that will just not flush away.

    The image is of an exceedingly dirty, filthy carpet from a filthy man's house, that has been cleaned in 50 years. Pick up the carpet and give it a good almighty shake - the pile of filth - the quintessence of the entire world's filth - resulting lying on the ground *IS* modern London.

    People who 'boost' London are either damned fools or damned liars - or don't actually live there.

    The other day three 'paki builders' in Ilford, Essex - god knows under what aegis they immigrated here - stabbed each other to death, in broad daylight after a 'wages dispute'. Just another typical day in Mayor Khan(t)'s enriched and diverse London.

    Facts are facts and speak for their selves. Each and every year, hundreds of thousands of 'old stock' white English London vote with their feet and flee the cesspit because they simply cannot take it anymore. They go to all points west. From Berwick Upon Tweed to Truro. Anywhere to flee the wog.
  124. Yet another opinion piece today about Black women’s hair.

    Black women’s hair is political. Now Ayanna Pressley’s baldness is, too.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/21/black-womens-hair-is-political-now-ayanna-pressleys-baldness-is-too/

  125. How many times did a peer tease you because you wear your hair natural? 4
    How many times did a peer joke about the texture of your hair, because of your race/ethnicity? 6

    Here’s the tell that, no matter what the New York Times wants its readers to think, the students’ complaints don’t have anything to do with white people.

  126. When the microagressions get too be too much (this was at a get-together to watch football at someone’s house):

    A 32-year-old who was upset about a man making fun of his facial tattoos assaulted him with the flat side of a machete, according to criminal charges filed Friday. When his cousin stepped between them, he punched her.

    The woman, Cornella Roybal, 39, was found unresponsive and pronounced dead in her St. Paul residence on Sunday morning.

    https://www.twincities.com/2020/01/17/st-paul-murder-charge-man-upset-about-facial-tattoos-jokes-punched-cousin-who-intervened-she-died-of-head-injuries/

  127. The Proto-pop pre-Partridge Family ensemble – “The Cowsills” – deconstruct the counter-cultural classic “Hair” for the Saturday Morning Sugar Pops crew

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Proto-pop pre-Partridge Family ensemble – “The Cowsills” – deconstruct the counter-cultural classic “Hair” for the Saturday Morning Sugar Pops crew
     
    Carl Reiner put them up to it, for a special he was producing. They went along to humor him. Bill and Bob retired to the studio to whip something up, and realized they had a pretty good thing going. (MacDermot's score was damned catchy.)

    The family made an acetate and slipped it anonymously to WLS in Chicago, which reached 45 states after sundown. They played it once, and the phones lit up. MGM, which had rejected it, released it the next day.

    Bob's edgy voice makes the record, but he was the square one in the band, serving as emcee. He went into the tech industry.

    Details here:


    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2042520/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

  128. @Xerxes the Magian
    I'm going to share a little incident that happened in between when I first tried typing out a comment and now (I was having issues with posting as I've changed pseudonym).

    We were sitting in a brand-spanking new coffee shop (always good to scope out the competition) when a young yuppie white woman was walking her young toddler.

    I could almost predict of the vibe of this young woman as she greeted the other table of two girls (university students) but as she walked past us she simply asked us if our dog was good with kids (she had brought her child across the shop towards our dog, who is somewhat eye-catching).

    Now this is of course a very trivial incident but I noted the disparate behaviour in how she interacted with us and the other table (also I'm writing it down so it's difficult to traduce the subtlety of the situation).

    I could bet my bottom penny that if we were white, it would have been a very different interaction. Now I don't mind and this is not a complaint but it's incidents like these (for instance in Uganda I was mistaken for the only other brown guy in our local climbing club and we were the only coloured people at the club in UGANDA) that raise awareness.

    Now of course the West by and large is the patrimony of white people and I don't write this to complain (this would definitely be the wrong site for that lol and I also lean towards the Tory party) but I do see that the Western pretension to Universal Civilisation and some kind of Moral Superiority beginning to waste away with the Counter-Reformation to the Great Awokening.

    Again that is not a problem, we may see middling cities like Dubai and perhaps London (which is de-ethnicised) emerge as global magnets for the world's energised migrants/expats to mingle.

    Apologies for the rant but I thought I would provide some nuance to the original post. The expression may be over-wraught but the initial feeling certainly isn't and it's something that one would never know unless one belongs to the culture/gender (I can't begin to understand sexism and I won't pretend to either but I did some good evidence of mansplaining by an avowed anti-elitist liberal later on in the evening).

    >a young yuppie white woman was walking her young toddler.

    I could almost predict of the vibe of this young woman as she greeted the other table of two girls (university students) but as she walked past us she simply asked us if our dog was good with kids (she had brought her child across the shop towards our dog, who is somewhat eye-catching).<

    Alot of assumptions by you.

  129. @Anon
    Why doesn't it occur to people that the reason why blacks have kinky hair is because ancient Africans liked the way it looked? If they didn't, it would have been bred out in favor of straight hair.

    ‘Why doesn’t it occur to people that the reason why blacks have kinky hair is because ancient Africans liked the way it looked? ‘

    More likely, it was to maximize cooling. It’s the same reason they have low body fat and big…appendages.

  130. @CCZ

    In his first visit to Yale since leaving to become provost of Northwestern University, beloved former Dean of Yale College Jonathan Holloway gave the opening remarks at a Yale Political Union debate on whether the U.S. government should pay reparations to the descendants of slaves.

    Addressing a packed crowd in William L. Harkness Hall, Holloway, the former chair of Yale’s African American Studies Department argued not for cash transfers — which he called impractical — but for reparations in the form of structured federal programs designed to provide African Americans with greater opportunity in housing, health care and education.

    Holloway emphasized the benefits of affirmative action in college admissions.... He said he understood why some may find affirmative action unfair. But the world has never been fair, he stressed, and reparations are warranted.

    “The real work for a place at Yale is not about the name on the building,” Holloway said. “It’s about a deep and substantive commitment to being honest about power, structural systems of privilege and their perpetuation.”
     
    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/04/06/holloway-returns-to-campus-debates-reparations/

    Holloway emphasized the benefits of affirmative action in college admissions…. He said he understood why some may find affirmative action unfair. But the world has never been fair, he stressed, and

    let’s make sure it never is.

  131. @Xerxes the Magian
    I'm going to share a little incident that happened in between when I first tried typing out a comment and now (I was having issues with posting as I've changed pseudonym).

    We were sitting in a brand-spanking new coffee shop (always good to scope out the competition) when a young yuppie white woman was walking her young toddler.

    I could almost predict of the vibe of this young woman as she greeted the other table of two girls (university students) but as she walked past us she simply asked us if our dog was good with kids (she had brought her child across the shop towards our dog, who is somewhat eye-catching).

    Now this is of course a very trivial incident but I noted the disparate behaviour in how she interacted with us and the other table (also I'm writing it down so it's difficult to traduce the subtlety of the situation).

    I could bet my bottom penny that if we were white, it would have been a very different interaction. Now I don't mind and this is not a complaint but it's incidents like these (for instance in Uganda I was mistaken for the only other brown guy in our local climbing club and we were the only coloured people at the club in UGANDA) that raise awareness.

    Now of course the West by and large is the patrimony of white people and I don't write this to complain (this would definitely be the wrong site for that lol and I also lean towards the Tory party) but I do see that the Western pretension to Universal Civilisation and some kind of Moral Superiority beginning to waste away with the Counter-Reformation to the Great Awokening.

    Again that is not a problem, we may see middling cities like Dubai and perhaps London (which is de-ethnicised) emerge as global magnets for the world's energised migrants/expats to mingle.

    Apologies for the rant but I thought I would provide some nuance to the original post. The expression may be over-wraught but the initial feeling certainly isn't and it's something that one would never know unless one belongs to the culture/gender (I can't begin to understand sexism and I won't pretend to either but I did some good evidence of mansplaining by an avowed anti-elitist liberal later on in the evening).

    i don’t doubt that race increased your perceived risk.

    But there are also other modifiers in play:
    – you’re a guy (i assume) which is risk +
    – sitting there with a girl? (risk -)
    – friendly seeming dog?
    – nice (but not too nice) clothes
    -etc etc

    i think the fact that she said anything at all implied some level of acceptance.
    (at least as i transpose the scene in my head. like you said it’s tough to capture the entirety of the vibe in just a few sentences and i wasn’t there. (and even if i was i could only guess at what she was thinking and why))

  132. Er, was that the NYT news section, or the NYT hair section?

  133. “Japanese fashion brand Comme des Garcons was at the centre of a cultural appropriation row Sunday after it sent out white models in what appeared to be cornrow wigs at its Paris men’s fashion week.
    The self-appointed fashion watchdog Diet Prada — which has a record of pulling up labels on racial insensitivity including the notorious Gucci “blackface” jumper – accused the cult brand of “taking a step back””

    Speaking personally, I’m more triggered by the chest hair:

    9C142AE4-EB5B-457E-9860-D42FF54BDD0F

  134. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    I can kind of see what they are getting at with this study. They are trying to build an audit trail for a theory of stress-depressed-IQ. The standard theory that blacks are a standard deviation lower in IQ because of the “brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. And redlining. And microagressions” doesn’t explain how this might happen, exactly. And activists won’t engage with you to explain it. You’re a troll and are deplatformed.

    But lately, sometimes the explanation will be offered of “stress” caused by the BLoS&JC. There is some research that blacks are in more stress than whites.

    Hardon’s article makes it clear that they are trying to show that being the victim of (micro)racism might cause “short-term depression” (which does not exist, but there is a thing called “situational depression,” which is a medicalized word for sadness), sleep problems, loneliness, anxiety, and overall bad feelings.

    This sort of flakey, selection-biased study proves nothing, but even if it did there is a long way to go to find a connection between stress and consistently lower IQ that seems not to change over decades, over wide geographical areas, in varied contexts with varied demographic mixes and access to media, and so on. It seems like there are a million natural experiments that could be done right now to test, for instance, blacks and whites with similar stress, and compare their IQ.

    • Replies: @Saint Louis
    "Those who experienced more instances of discrimination over the two weeks also showed more symptoms of short-term depression, the study found, such as difficulty sleeping, loneliness and anxiety."

    Assuming these results mean anything at all (and that's a huge and unwarranted assumption), there is still the enormous difficulty of untangling the cause and the effect. Do so-called microaggressions cause anxiety or are anxious teens just more likely to see microaggressions everywhere? And do microaggressions cause loneliness or are you just lonely because no one wants to talk to you because you're an insufferable prick who is always yammering on about racism and microaggressions?
  135. Amy Harmon Retweeted:


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  136. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Xerxes the Magian
    I'm going to share a little incident that happened in between when I first tried typing out a comment and now (I was having issues with posting as I've changed pseudonym).

    We were sitting in a brand-spanking new coffee shop (always good to scope out the competition) when a young yuppie white woman was walking her young toddler.

    I could almost predict of the vibe of this young woman as she greeted the other table of two girls (university students) but as she walked past us she simply asked us if our dog was good with kids (she had brought her child across the shop towards our dog, who is somewhat eye-catching).

    Now this is of course a very trivial incident but I noted the disparate behaviour in how she interacted with us and the other table (also I'm writing it down so it's difficult to traduce the subtlety of the situation).

    I could bet my bottom penny that if we were white, it would have been a very different interaction. Now I don't mind and this is not a complaint but it's incidents like these (for instance in Uganda I was mistaken for the only other brown guy in our local climbing club and we were the only coloured people at the club in UGANDA) that raise awareness.

    Now of course the West by and large is the patrimony of white people and I don't write this to complain (this would definitely be the wrong site for that lol and I also lean towards the Tory party) but I do see that the Western pretension to Universal Civilisation and some kind of Moral Superiority beginning to waste away with the Counter-Reformation to the Great Awokening.

    Again that is not a problem, we may see middling cities like Dubai and perhaps London (which is de-ethnicised) emerge as global magnets for the world's energised migrants/expats to mingle.

    Apologies for the rant but I thought I would provide some nuance to the original post. The expression may be over-wraught but the initial feeling certainly isn't and it's something that one would never know unless one belongs to the culture/gender (I can't begin to understand sexism and I won't pretend to either but I did some good evidence of mansplaining by an avowed anti-elitist liberal later on in the evening).

    Today’s London is a shit hole. A cess pit. The asshole of the world. The turd that will just not flush away.

    The image is of an exceedingly dirty, filthy carpet from a filthy man’s house, that has been cleaned in 50 years. Pick up the carpet and give it a good almighty shake – the pile of filth – the quintessence of the entire world’s filth – resulting lying on the ground *IS* modern London.

    People who ‘boost’ London are either damned fools or damned liars – or don’t actually live there.

    The other day three ‘paki builders’ in Ilford, Essex – god knows under what aegis they immigrated here – stabbed each other to death, in broad daylight after a ‘wages dispute’. Just another typical day in Mayor Khan(t)’s enriched and diverse London.

    Facts are facts and speak for their selves. Each and every year, hundreds of thousands of ‘old stock’ white English London vote with their feet and flee the cesspit because they simply cannot take it anymore. They go to all points west. From Berwick Upon Tweed to Truro. Anywhere to flee the wog.

  137. @Anonymous


    The Proto-pop pre-Partridge Family ensemble - "The Cowsills" - deconstruct the counter-cultural classic "Hair" for the Saturday Morning Sugar Pops crew
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFy-yzj02FE

    The Proto-pop pre-Partridge Family ensemble – “The Cowsills” – deconstruct the counter-cultural classic “Hair” for the Saturday Morning Sugar Pops crew

    Carl Reiner put them up to it, for a special he was producing. They went along to humor him. Bill and Bob retired to the studio to whip something up, and realized they had a pretty good thing going. (MacDermot’s score was damned catchy.)

    The family made an acetate and slipped it anonymously to WLS in Chicago, which reached 45 states after sundown. They played it once, and the phones lit up. MGM, which had rejected it, released it the next day.

    Bob’s edgy voice makes the record, but he was the square one in the band, serving as emcee. He went into the tech industry.

    Details here:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2042520/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

    • Thanks: ben tillman
  138. highlighting the research!

    Part of a body of science!

    You can see why places and people like iSteve must be kept
    on the sidelines, if not silenced altogether.

  139. This survey is a clear expression of White Privilege, or rather old fashioned Class Privilege. Only someone from a nice upper middle class background, whose only contact with blacks has been the Obama daughters, would think that it is blacks who receive teasing and harassment and whites get none. Any regular person who has worked or lived in significantly black environment has been called ‘White Boy’, been physically threatened due to their race, been harassed that whites can’t fight, can’t excel in sports, had their skin described as pasty and their hair as smelling like dogs… In my elementary school, for one telling anecdote, only about 20% black, the black boys would chant “white tight, can’t fight”. Another, when I had a job as a construction laborer, I got called White Boy all day long and told I could be pushed off the edge of the unenclosed 12th floor and nobody would know it wasn’t an accident, just because of the color of my skin. And when I went to a comedy club, every black comedian I predicted would base their humor on mocking white people, and introduce themselves that way in their first line on stage… and I was proved right, 5 for 5 that night.

    NOPE, the Amy Harmons of the world have dealt with a few well mannered tokens at their private schools and imagine that their experience with those blacks, and those elite blacks experiences as beleaguered poor dears, is typical. Its like the nice white college girls I’ve heard talking about blacks being afraid… trust me, blacks in general are the least afraid, most cocky, most in your face, most likely to physically assault due to any offense, people. There is a reason they rate highest in self esteem and lowest in suicide in statistics, and highest in inter-racial violence.

  140. USA Has a Big Microaggression Problem

    Murdered Souls 2014-2018

    Known weapons 100.0%
    Insensitivity 64.1%
    Laughter 2.9%
    Puns 2.5%
    Cutting words 15.6%
    Blunt words 4.5%
    Personal slights 6.7%
    Poison invective 0.1%
    Obscure words 0.0%
    Smirks 0.7%
    Assumptions 0.9%
    Social exclusion 0.1%
    Humiliation 0.9%
    Stereotyping 1.0%

  141. @J.Ross
    The weakest argument against talking about the Frankfurt School or criticizing CultMarx has got to be the lack of direct connections. They're a school. They propagate a method which then gets propagated further beyond the school (and is even used by enemies, ie, traditionalist "culture war"). If you meet a young Marxian they will insist that you demonstrate some direct connection like Marcuse was an artist with an uncopiable signature, or they will talk about whether or not a particular personality was formally in the Frankfurt School.

    don’t forget their ideological cousins the LOE&P Fabians and their minions. they use the Fulbright transfer as conduit straight into the US and its levers of power.

  142. @Anon
    I can kind of see what they are getting at with this study. They are trying to build an audit trail for a theory of stress-depressed-IQ. The standard theory that blacks are a standard deviation lower in IQ because of the "brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. And redlining. And microagressions" doesn't explain how this might happen, exactly. And activists won't engage with you to explain it. You're a troll and are deplatformed.

    But lately, sometimes the explanation will be offered of "stress" caused by the BLoS&JC. There is some research that blacks are in more stress than whites.

    Hardon's article makes it clear that they are trying to show that being the victim of (micro)racism might cause "short-term depression" (which does not exist, but there is a thing called "situational depression," which is a medicalized word for sadness), sleep problems, loneliness, anxiety, and overall bad feelings.

    This sort of flakey, selection-biased study proves nothing, but even if it did there is a long way to go to find a connection between stress and consistently lower IQ that seems not to change over decades, over wide geographical areas, in varied contexts with varied demographic mixes and access to media, and so on. It seems like there are a million natural experiments that could be done right now to test, for instance, blacks and whites with similar stress, and compare their IQ.

    “Those who experienced more instances of discrimination over the two weeks also showed more symptoms of short-term depression, the study found, such as difficulty sleeping, loneliness and anxiety.”

    Assuming these results mean anything at all (and that’s a huge and unwarranted assumption), there is still the enormous difficulty of untangling the cause and the effect. Do so-called microaggressions cause anxiety or are anxious teens just more likely to see microaggressions everywhere? And do microaggressions cause loneliness or are you just lonely because no one wants to talk to you because you’re an insufferable prick who is always yammering on about racism and microaggressions?

  143. @Hank Archer
    Very important point. Is it racism if a person of your race comments on your appearance or confuses you with another member of your shared race?

    Yes, because even though it is likely most comments came from other black students they have had slavery, jim crow and systemic racism baked into their DNA. They can’t help it, this is only something Great White Father can fix.

  144. @silviosilver

    “Part of why these types of microaggressions are so insidious is that a lot of times, white people can see them as not real, or not a big deal,’‘ said Devin English, a psychologist at Rutgers University who led the study. “But this is showing us the magnitude of the discrimination faced by black adolescents. It’s happening all the time. And it’s affecting how they feel.’’
     
    Oh right, every other race is just soooo sensitive to black racial fragility except those evil white people.

    What planet does this idiot live on?

    The professor lives on Planet Academia, sworn enemy of the White people.

  145. These entrepreneurs are snatching the black hair industry one wig at a time.

    “The UK black hair is worth an estimated £88million but who is it really benefiting? How many black British hair brands can you name off the top of your head? “

    I wonder how many Amy Harmon can name.

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