“the success of Trump’s vaccine strategy”

Orwellian.

Would that have switched enough voters in Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada to cause a 269-269 tie in the Electoral College and cast the decision to the House of Representatives with one vote for each delegation, probably favoring Trump? Or would there have been a violent and/or corrupt intervention to deny Trump a second term?

Or, would the Democratic party volunteers on Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada election vote counting teams have had to spend another half day printing up enough mail-in ballots from people who didn’t know they’d even participated? There’s your alternate history. Same old same old.

I don’t care who is in the white house or when the vaccine was rolled out. I had covid and I’m not taking the f’ing clot shot

There was just no way the Establishment could or would tolerate Trump and even worse, Deplorables. They have a plan, it is called cut down all the White trees. Heck look at the Democratic Party leadership, its all blacks and people from India and Somalia and such, and all women. Women drastically underestimate violence and how it can spiral as they’ve never really been in knock-down drag out fights. The Viking Icelandic Sagas are full of women egging on counter-atrocities for the sheer “fun” of it. Never figuring they’d be victims too.

Right now you have a thinly veiled threat from the Joint Chiefs that if Republicans win in either 2022 or 2024 they will mount a coup, with the “op-ed” by three retired Generals who don’t cough or sneeze without first asking permission. Already the NYT is suggesting that Congress simply refuse to seat any Republican in the next election, citing “insurrection” and support for same by “all Republicans.” So I’d say the odds of a coup by the left / Dems / Military (all the same now) are very, very high.

Does anyone think Ilhan Omar or Woke Milley is going to tolerate Deplorables even having a say in Congress? Of course not, it will be Cut Down the White Trees. And don’t kid yourself — the military will happily obey. Obedience is a habit. Any order given particularly against the Deplorables who as we know are genetically evil and bear hereditary blood guilt will be obeyed. These are very stupid people but their power and technology insulates them from any real consequence.

Does Trump have a goatee in this alternate universe?

A. Pfizer announcements aren’t worth the paper they are printed on.
B. Fixed elections do not get unfixed by lab shutdowns or opening ups.

ctrl f Ivermectin

Speaking of ChiCom parasites:

Put a smile on your face.

Centrist?

Come on, man.

LOL.

https://t.co/TBI9DSkrAx

— Battle Beagle (@HarmlessYardDog) December 24, 2021

LOL.

Phil Griffin and sex criminal Jeffrey Zucker need to be arrested and tried for treason for their parts in pushing the Russia Hoax, the Impeachment Hoax, and the Rigged Vote.

Just as guilty as everyone in Congress who voted for the impeachment farces or who spent more than a moment supporting the Russia Hoax as “serious”.

That’s a timeline I could love living in.

frohe Weinachten
https://postimg.cc/nXpYXfb8

That has left Mr. Trump running on a record of an out-of-control pandemic …

Trump’s hope that an economic recovery, a Covid vaccine or a Biden scandal could shake up the race faded with the last light of October.

Actually, there were 2 October surprises: The vaccine roll out, which was deliberately delayed, and Hunter Biden’s hard drive/laptop, which confirmed a 30 year history of influence peddling which dwarfed in significance even the stuff they fabricated about Trump and “Russia, Russia, Russia.”

But these things didn’t happen because the liberal media didn’t want them to happen. Full stop.

I was not sad throughout 2021 because of the plague, the deaths, the business closures, or the collapse of American international credibility, but I was devastated (more so than normal) because all of my rights were taken away without a process, and what life I retain is an accident, relying on the clumsiness and sloppiness of bureaucrats in the Peter Chickenfather mold of — oh okay so actually I’m pretty safe, those guys are pretty sloppy.

The CEO of Pfizer and our CDC and FDA are clearly evil people. This is reason #15 I refuse to get vaccinated. I refuse to pad the coffers of Pfizer and Fauci.

It’s all such a mystery:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pfizer-unions-others-donated-618-mln-bidens-inaugural-2021-04-21/

By the way, Pfizer donated money to 275 Congressional candidates in 2020, 164 Democrats (including Bernie Sanders – who’s he kidding with that (I) crap), and 111 Republicans. So it’s pretty clear they’re just bribing Congress – there’s really no other way to wash it. And such a bargain too.

All that matters: in the timeline discussed, are Republicans vertebrates or invertebrates?

If the Vaccine trials had lasted 9 months the vaccines never would have been approved. Sadly they eliminated the control group after 4 months so we will never know the true failure of the vaccines. Thus far we have more COVID deaths in 2021 than last year when nobody was vaccinated and treatments were less effective. Currently they admit the vaccines offer zero protection against Omicron, and they hope the boosters will offer some protection against the new variants. The vaccines have failed to reduce deaths or hospitalizations. We were deceived by Big Pharma again. The vaccines are no -sterilizing and did not stop the spread, they were a complete failure.

As if two months of safety data for a relatively untested medical technology are anywhere near enough. Up til 2020, at least five years, if not ten, on smaller controlled groups that represented the broader population would have been required for actual approval for mass use in the population.

Instead, they short-circuited long-standing practises by allowing a mass rollout under an Emergency Use Authorisation for an illness that has an average Infection Fatality Rate on par with the seasonal flu. BTW, Phase 3 trials end in 2023, and the only vaxx with actual FDA approval is not yet available in the US because that particular formulation does not yet have liability indemnification.

If you took the vaxxes, you are literally a test subject in the largest Phase 3 medical study ever undertaken.

Good luck with that.

Garett Jones tweets about the 2020 MIT Technology Review article:

https://twitter.com/GarettJones/status/1473080738006417414

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/19/1010646/campaign-stop-covid-19-vaccine-trump-election-day/

One doctor’s campaign to stop a covid-19 vaccine being rushed through before Election Day

How heart doctor Eric Topol used his social-media account to kill off Trump’s October surprise.

By Antonio Regalado
October 19, 2020

That’s the way it goes as far as who gets elected president. After all, what if Nixon had shaved before the 1960 debate?

Oct 1965

Nov 3 2020…the demographic nullification of the Native White Working Class Vote…

Re: Image for second video (“Top 5 Guns”): Firearms are fun ‘n games? Kids’ play?

Put a smile on your face.

No smile here.

Steve muses:

Consider how much financial, moral, blackmail, and violent pressure there would have been to flip one of 269 Trump Electoral College voters.

And, if that didn’t work, it’s hard not to imagine that The Establishment wouldn’t have organized a storming of the Capitol to intimidate the House into electing Biden.

In that timeline, we’d ever since be reading non-stop tributes in the Washington Post to the Heroes of January 6 Who Saved Democracy by charging into the House past the fascist Capitol Police and physically keeping the GOP from hijacking the election …

LOL. Cute, but Trump would declare a state of emergency and would not step down.

This is very old news and doesn’t have much to do with the more important questions going forward as everything keeps changing

What are “the more important questions going forward”?

***

Welcome to November. For Trump, the October Surprise Never Came.

Trump’s hope that an economic recovery, a Covid vaccine or a Biden scandal could shake up the race faded with the last light of October.

***

There was a Biden scandal, of course, but the corporate propaganda media and the social-media oligarchs suppressed it for the benefit of their candidate.

***

But as the campaign nears an end, and with most national and battleground-state polls showing Mr. Trump struggling, the cavalry of an October surprise that helped him overtake Hillary Clinton in 2016 has not arrived.

***

Funny, I remember my predicting to my skeptical family– split between SJW sisters and Trump True Believer sisters– that Trump was going to win; but, I have no recollection of an October surprise, in 2016!?!?!

It was the most openly fraudulent presidential election in American history. The list is almost endless–Russia hoax, FBI, CIA, the Republican establishment, Ukraine and Hunter Biden, Covid nonsense, “public health authorities”, Fauci, gain-of-function and the lab leak, Cuomo the savior, George Floyd lies, other assorted BLM lies, the Democrat’s mostly-peaceful-protests, Kenosha, Joe Biden’s dementia, Kamala Harris’s history and career path, Twitter, Google, Facebook, “covid emergency” election law suspensions, Pfizer vax antics, ballot harvesting and midnight ballot dumps.

But end of the day … the person who lost it: Donald J. Trump.

Trump had the money and independence and attitude … but “Art of the Deal” boy, gets his program rolled by Paul Ryan, doesn’t fire Fauci, hires his son-in-law–a mediocre, Democrat, globalist–as his political advisor, can’t make the obvious “Democrat riots” rule-of-law case, does nothing to stop-the-steal beforehand and debates like a 3rd grader hyped on adderall.

Better nationalists please.

The Trump Administration’s decision in late summer to require Moderna to delay its clinical trial by a month to recruit a more racially diverse set of volunteers to test the safety and efficacy of the vaccine on different races.

Is it possible that someone in the Administration delayed Moderna on behalf of some of Moderna’s competitors?

Was Kushner involved?

Wow, a genuine Michael Moore-style socialist

Media would have us believe it was either/both Comey reopening the Clinton email investigation or/and wikileaks publishing the Podesta/DNC emails.

Trump is the nationalist Americans deserve: an über-narcissistic, ungodly materialistic conman whose idea of haute cuisine is Diet Coke and McDonald’s, and who worships blacks and Jews despite being widely perceived as a white supremacist. Trump is arguably the quintessential American.

How much effect could the delay have had considering that everyone voted early by mail because of Covid? If there are nefarious things to blame for Trump’s defeat, I’d tend to look at opportunities created for the left by the vast increase in early mail voters in that election.

In the early days of Covid, Trump trusted China, which had been hitting his key states with economic sanctions to stop him being reelected. I’m sure Xi was not unaware that a pandemic was going to hurt Trumps chances of reelection more that Xi’s. But that is geopolitics, which Trump seems to have been poorly advised on. Like he was on the speed on vaccine development and the implications of failure to impose a strict and early quarantine. If you read Lewis’s the Fifth Risk, the governments experts are often have recent immigrant family background in; they all hated Trump. That would not have mattered if Trump had the people but he didn’t. His appointees like Wilbur Ross had not a clue what they were doing.

your agonizer please.

As the nyt crowed:

A coronavirus vaccine. A dramatic economic rebound. A blockbuster Justice Department investigation. A grievous misstep by a rival he portrayed as faltering. A scandal involving Mr. Biden and his son Hunter.

None of it matters one whit. All that matters is how the people who own the megaphone want to slant it.

Biden was going to rescue us all from the dreaded Trump Virus! Now, a year later, we have more deaths in 2021 than in 2020. The MSM are virtually silent about that. Put your masks on and stfu.

Trump made terrible appointments. He and his team ignored applicants from around the country who would have been on board with his campaign themes, so we got an administration full of the usual gang of idiots plus family members and assorted New York goons.

As Steve has written, Trump’s talent as a New York real estate developer included the ability to convince needed participants that all other needed participants are already committed, even when nobody is yet. He could convince bank presidents to pony up millions even when the cement contractors were holding back and the city wouldn’t yet give its blessings.

He applied this talent to persuade voters and some operators to get on board.

And then he did nothing, either because he really didn’t have the other necessary parts or because he really didn’t care.

Stop and think: You’ve been conned. So have I. I was a big supporter because I saw no alternative. There wasn’t, and there isn’t one now.

BTW Trump had bankers so wrapped up in his casinos that they had no choice but to stay in and keep him involved. Voters had no such obligation.

The Pfizer lab shutdown until the day after the election led to Less Data during a critical week. So I think the Pfizer lab shutdown is the most morally indefensible of the three causes of delay.I

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This whole delay story is very interesting. This and the hunter biden-laptop were the biggies before the election. The possibility of a “Trump-vaccine”, as it was spoken of, made such a big impression on the left, that quite a few of them opposed publicly being vaccinated should thisdubious “Trump-vaccine” ever be cooked up…

II

This then was followed by big scale and precise election manipulations to secure the result.

True, apart from delaying the vaxx, the suppression of Hunter’s laptop was heavyhanded too, and they then had to subvert and steal the election even so. But at least you now have the President-Legit!

You forgot the stupid own goal of coming out with the “Platinum Plan” idea to give $500,000,000,000 of our money to blacks about 3 months before the election. That had to lose some White people who finally figured “f__k this guy”.

That said, the D’s could just have cheated that much harder. Once you see the pattern of these last minute complete about-faces in the election results of key outstanding States, you really lose faith in the integrity of it all. If they can come up with a few hundred thousand or a million perfectly aimed votes, why not 5 or 10 million? It’s not like we’re running out of trees.

I was devastated (more so than normal) because all of my rights were taken away without a process,

Is there a functioning country that has not, in times of national emergency, (a) suspended rights, and (b) done so without bypassing, to a considerable if not total degree, usual legal/ bureaucratic process? Can you name a single example of such a place?

Agree.

Original timeline November 4th
Midnight: Ballot counting shut down in key swing states for nebulous reasons.
3:00 AM: Ballot counting reopens with statistically absurd Biden surge.
Biden “elected”.

Alternative timeline November 4th
Midnight: Ballot counting shut down in key swing states for nebulous reasons.
3:30 AM: Ballot counting reopens with even more statistically absurd Biden surge.
Return to original timeline.

Let’s see… Biden has not yet ordered the at home Covid tests from the manufacturer, so we won’t be getting them for quite a while, which makes Phizer’s new Covid pill worthless, since you have to take them within 5 days of catching Covid, the sooner the better, to save your ass. Meanwhile the newest virus is just getting started.

For an emergency boost in morale, quick-thinking White House Chief of Staff, Ron Klain, hired dancing nurses to come into the East Room to deliver a performance for the First Lady.

And… many of us… are going to die… aren’t we…

Just when you thought this administration couldn't be any more cringe. pic.twitter.com/2Awz0gn2rH

— The First (@TheFirstonTV) December 23, 2021

The vaccines are no -sterilizing and did not stop the spread, they were a complete failure.

They reduced deaths to 1/11 (that’s not a date) the unvaccinated rate. They did not cause sterilizing immunity and did not stop the spread. Do you mean you could not freeload on other people getting vaccinated? Boohoo.

2021 was worse than 2020 because social distancing and (finally) masking slowed the spread in 2020. In ‘21, cons got all oppositional defiant disordered. They stopped masking and stopped social distancing, but refused to get vaccinated, as they were suddenly expert immunologists, having scrolled through a Twitter feed. Oh, yeah. They also started taking ivermectin, a neurotoxin for parasitic worms. It is a wonder drug, and its discoverers earned their Nobel prize. Here’s where I did my own research — viruses? They ain’t got no nerves! It is imaginable that ivermectin works against COVID by a totally different mechanism than its effect on ion channels, but there is a ton more evidence that the vaccines work. The vast majority of chemicals researchers try out at various stages of testing do not work. Ivermectin for COVID is at the “large-ish random small molecule with functional groups” stage of testing for treating any virus. The logic of, “parasitic worms are bad. Ivermectin treats parasitic worm infections. COVID is bad, too. Therefore, ivermectin treats COVID” is lacking a certain je ne sais quoi. But cons were all about it. Despite that, as you say, there were more COVID deaths in ‘21 than ‘20. Those libs? They done been owned!

During the debates, Trump brought up the hunter laptop, but had no more to add and was shut down.

“High-energy” means nothing when you don’t prepare.

Just what was the national emergency that justified suspending the rights of American citizen-voters? I didn’t think so.

we’d ever since be reading non-stop tributes in the Washington Post to the Heroes of January 6 Who Saved Democracy by charging into the House past the fascist Capitol Police and physically keeping the GOP from hijacking the election by Republicans

NPR and the networks constantly mention January 6. They never remind their listeners of Memorial Day weekend 2020, when a mob of violent protestors threatened to storm the White House. They set fires and threw rocks and bottles at the Secret Service agents blocking them, 60 of whom were injured, 12 sufficiently to require hospitalization. At the time, the reaction of the progressive media was to mock Trump for “cowering in the bunker.”

The most important question about January 6 will not be raised at the show-trial hearings: “Why did Pelosi leave the Capitol essentially unguarded, knowing the size of the expected protest?” Trump claims that he advised her to bring in 10,000 National Guard troops to protect it. The progressive media says he did not, but that’s what they would say. They have no credibility. No thinking person expects to hear truth from them anymore.

Pelosi is so sinister I’m convinced that she saw great opportunity in the January 6 protest and had federal agents directing the crowds, but who imagines that we will ever learn the truth about this and so many other events, now that our media is so corrupt?

I consider Trump geopolitically sound, indeed more than sound. He nearly solved North Korea, he ended Afghanistan, he ended Syria, and best of all islamic terrorism in Europe took a yuge downturn. He was at various points betrayed by prolapsed deep state officials and the MIC (e.g. Syria) but will go to non-pozzed history as a genuine peacemaker.

Chris Wallace wouldn’t let him talk about the laptop. He cut him off. He thought it was more important to ask him, “Will you denounce white supremacy?” a question he had also asked him during the 2016 debate he moderated. It’s one of those, “Have you stopped beating your wife?” questions. Apparently, you can’t ask it often enough.

Is there a functioning country that has not, in times of national emergency, (a) suspended rights, and (b) done so without bypassing, to a considerable if not total degree, usual legal/ bureaucratic process?

Btw, has anyone noted that we live in a permanented state of emergency these days?

Nucleic acid vaccines are (relatively) untested on people, that is true. None were approved, but some had been in phase II, maybe even III testing. But they have been extensively tested on several species, including monkeys and chimpanzees. The vaccines used a somewhat novel base analog, N1-methyl pseudouridine instead of uracil to reduce innate intracellular immunogenicity. I am willing to bet that this gets metabolized into something pretty nontoxic that you pee out. Not to mention, the total dose of mRNA in three shots is low compared to what you would get in the two oral covid drugs (soon to be?) approved. Both of which are base analogs, but mutagenic ones. If you want to avoid weird chemicals, it would be best to minimize your chances of needing post-infection treatment,

The lipids in the nanoparticles, which I assume are cationic lipids, though I have not looked, are um, possibly a bit dangerous? They are probably the adjuvant, the chemical that gives the immune system the danger signal that couples “new protein” to “make an immune response” in the body. I watched a short video where Bret Weinstein said his plumber(?) got the vaccine and two minutes later had a heart attack. Well, that was not due to the “toxic” spike protein chunk that the mRNA codes for. No way it could have entered cells, escaped the endosome, been translated, transported to the cell surface, broken off, either from a protease or in apoptotic fragments, then reached his heart in a couple of minutes. Hour, maybe two, minimum. Again, all these things are in tiny doses. The mRNA is translated multiple times, so you get more bang for each injection.

I got the Pfizer booster (2 Modernas to start) a few weeks ago. Felt fine for about two hours then felt like I had the flu, then shivered and slept for 5-6 hours. Convinced me that a) I had an immune reaction, so it was probably a real vaccine (who trusts CVS?) and b) I sooo do not want covid.

The dose of “chemicals” in any vaccine is low. At most, you get a flu shot every year. Other vaccines are either live-attenuated and good for a lifetime or on a five-to-ten-year booster schedule. If you are diabetic, you probably get more “chemicals” in a week of insulin shots. Though I hope you don’t have diabetes.

Please get vaccinated! You, and everyone else, will get covid. You might avoid it if you get vaccinated, if not, you can turn a ~1% chance of death into a ~0.1% chance. With fresh vaccination (or a booster) your chance with omicron is likely even better. You would be in “just the flu, bro” territory, which would be a nice place to be.

Good luck, whether I convinced you or not. Yeah, I know I didn’t… A man must try.

A terrible moderator like Wallace can be a boon for a smart debater. Trump completely missed the chance to throw Wallace’s question back in his face.

Bernie became a Democrat to run for POTUS as a Democrat.

My general impression is that people who are very vulnerable to dying from COVID might benefit from the injections, but the vast majority of people would not experience a net benefit. Even my 84 year old aunt caught COVID last Christmas before she was vaccinated and she was fine.

Exactly.

I had it, and it was sicker than I had ever been. But I had never been very sick before. I am not at all worried ahout catching COVID again. The clot shots scare me to death though.

>in times of national emergency

[INAPPROPRIATE STARING]

Agree but no way was it just Pelosi.

Agree, Trump’s real biggest flaw was not any of the media lies or any of his obnoxious personality traits (and certainly not his “ignorance” of beltway false knowledge, actually an advantage), his biggest error was neither having nor hiring an army of Americans to mercilessly replace the nationless bureaucrat scum who successfully mutinied against, sabotaged, and eventually unseated him.

Here is the only alternative history you need to concern yourself with:

Anyone who reads and understands real science rather than the politicized doppelganger thereof—which seems not to include most people here—would have known that there has never been a successful vaccine for a coronavirus and that the whole concept of mRNA vaccines is preposterous to begin with. Therefore, they would have known from the very moment that Pfizer made its announcement that they were lying, that political games were afoot, and that we were in for some very dark times of social destruction and tyranny.

For anyone who claims to understand “The Real Science of Genetics!™”, whether they be HBD quant bloggers or members of the official medical-academic-bureaucratic establishment, it is absolutely inexcusable that you ever went along with this thing for one damn minute. There was more than enough preexisting information out there to establish the fact that what drug companies and governments were claiming about vaccine efficacy (and about the pandemic in general) could not possibly be true.

Why were you fooled? Why did you sin? Ask yourself that, and then rewrite history with a spirit of penance.

The most important lesson of delaying the Pfizer vaccine is that our betters are perfectly content to let the masses suffer if it serves their political goals. Even if the ultimate number of people who may have gotten very ill or died due to this isn’t enough to fill a high school gym, it doesn’t change the fact that in 2020 the ruling class watched billions of property and economic damage unfold, dozens of direct homicides from rioting, and likely thousands of incremental deaths occur so that they got the political outcome they wanted.

Obviously there are many people who do not see these events this way, but on the other hand based on the shift in Latino voting patterns and the millions of people of all stripes who were suddenly interested in owning a firearms, many do understand this in one way or another. If the GOP was smart, they would realize that unabashedly focusing on masculine virtues they would grow their voter base. Latinos like strength in their politicians and even chipping the traditional black voter performance for Dems down to 85% rather than 90% (which is entirely possible) would cause enormous problems for the left in statewide elections.

They did not cause sterilizing immunity and did not stop the spread. Do you mean you could not freeload on other people getting vaccinated? Boohoo.

Well, from a public health standpoint that’s kind of the whole idea. Otherwise the vaccine is just a leaky allergy shot.

The mask hypothesis is absurd.

How far removed from reality do these people have to be to think the nurses doing TikTok videos in empty hospitals was well received by the public?

I’m told America’s “elites” are stupid and insane.

Actual results:
1) installed POTUS of choice.
2) record pharma profits (again).
3) woke companies paid for by blackrock.
∞) this list could go on forever.

Damn, that sounds like me. I also don’t work hard and get paid anyway. I guess I’m stupid too.

Being smart is apparently about getting your stuff pushed in and always being confused about what’s happening. Thank God I’m not smart.

Steve desperately wants to believe that we can still reform the system so he sees what he wants to see.

It’s the same with how he continues to believe that some people in Hollywood are secret conservatives, putting dissident messages in their movies. It’s insane, but it allows Steve to avoid the hard choice of supporting or rejecting white identity politics.

White identity politics is the question of our time, yet Steve assiduously avoids it. Why?

Subject to whim, did anyone else Notice that there’s no mention of how the “spectacular[,] very high” efficacy of the Pfizer product was calculated?

You started out so well but then fell back into believing in the system.

We’re not voting our way out of this. Sure, whites could score a few rear guard victories as we withdraw, but we’re never going to be free in the current system.

Wallace is loyal to his tribe. Once that’s understood, everything makes sense.

Our tribe should learn the lessons of his tribe.

Don’t forget. Never, ever forget these people.

Bearing that in mind, the whole “Trump could have won but for…” discussion is akin to “Justinian would have revived the empire without bubonic plague”. It’s not wholly inaccurate, but rather than making me see them as victims of circumstance, it leads to the question of why they embraced policy decisions that relied on good fortune: and then doubled down on bad policy when the crisis came. The Donald’s recent explanation of why he kept Fauci-to prevent the Left from complaining-says it all. Nobody forced him to keep Fauci. Anymore than anybody forced him to keep Kushner. Trump was just lazy, TBH.

One of the reasons DeSantis has a good shot in 2024 is the fact that he’s one of the few Republicans who was willing to buck Trump’s administration when it came to lockdowns and the like while emphasizing that he still wasn’t siding with Con Inc.

C’mon man! Biden got 81,000,000 votes. Changes in the vaccine status wouldn’t have changed the settings in the Dominion voting machines one bit.

A man must try.

“…because I’m being paid.”

Or if not, hot damn: start getting paid. Don’t pull this crud for free when there’s money on the table.

The arguments are either fallacious or empirically false. E.g. the actual survival rate for ncov is something like 99.96%, not 99%. As they say: missing a zero there. E.g. does a disease with a 99% survival rate sound like an unprecedented crisis to you, requiring all-hands-on-deck emergency measures? How about one less than 1/10th as deadly?

Bonus round: lockdowns didn’t work because folk were already self-isolating before the measures, so there was nobody walking around to be kept inside. Sorry, didn’t need the government to ride to the rescue, even if it was a disease which killed more than 1% of infected.

They want you to take the vaccine, which has not been proven to be safe, instead of ivermectin, a 30-year old drug. We know everything about taking ivermectin safely, but the vaccine is under patent and thus expensive and profitable, you see.

Also vitamin D. It doesn’t work as an intervention, but as a prophylactic it’s even cheaper than ivermectin and affects every virus – rhinovirus, influenza virus, even chicken pox – not just coronavirus. Oh, and bacteria too. If everyone had enough vitamin D, pharma profits would crash hard, so they absolutely hate it. Note that you can casually “take” 20,000 IU by going outside near noon in summer, and the “safe upper dose” is supposed to be 4000. Do you trust government scientists, or millions of years of evolution?

The medically advised minimum level of vitamin D is 50 nmol/L, but you start seeing serious immune boosting at around the 100 nmol/L range.
Study: take 9000 IU. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4210929/
Study: take 10,000 IU. https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/10/3596/htm
(100 nmol/L = 50 ng/mL)

Is this guy misinformed about off-label medication uses, or is he being deliberately disingenuous? Ignorant, or a liar?

When ADHD patients take amphetamine stimulants, they calm down. Nicotine is also either a stimulant or a relaxant depending on dose and who’s taking it, among other paradoxical indications. The idea that pathological parasites and other, smaller pathological parasites might both dislike the same chemical is downright tame. They found the anti-ncov indication because someone was already taking it for parasites and then caught ncov, then fixed ncov during their scheduled dose. It wasn’t a theory => conclusion thing, it was an accident.

The Donald’s recent explanation of why he kept Fauci-to prevent the Left from complaining-says it all.

My sides. Hey! I was using those sides! I need them to keep my organs in!

“Well, I was going to drain the swamp, but the swamp would complain if I did, so…”

He’d have done whatever his daughter and her creep of a husband told him to do.

I can’t get over the fact that as governor, DeSantis conducted official Florida business from his Israeli bunker. But in retrospect, maybe that’s what necessary to be a successful Florida pol!

It would be refreshing to have more old school leftist/liberals engaging in debate here. However they don’t want to risk ideological contamination by stepping outside their echo chambers, so we only get an occasional one. Instead we have guys like Tiny Duck LARPing as a deranged SJW so he can mock them.
For that matter how about some Jeb Bush Republicuck civic nationalist types as well?
We’re largely taking to ourselves here.

Nixon didn’t need to shave: He needed to man-up and let them put TV makeup on him. Real men don’t do TV without makeup.

Lighten up, Frances.

When police are telling people they’re essentially on their own vis à vis the thugs, it’s nice to know there are women and girls who can defend themselves when average menfolk on the streets are waiting for 911 to pick up the phone.

Cute, but Trump would declare a state of emergency and would not step down.

Honestly, I cannot tell how that would be any worse than the current trajectory.

Ben Garrison calls out Trump in his latest cartoon. pic.twitter.com/WlO4sjJ9aF

— An0maly (@LegendaryEnergy) December 24, 2021

UK has 12 confirmed Omicron deaths out of 45k confirmed cases.
Fatality rate of 0.027% would get Omicron FDA approval. “Standardized Mortality Rates after dose 1 were 0.42 & 0.37 for Pfizer & Moderna, and were 0.35 & 0.34 after dose 2”
Omicron is safer than Pfizer or Moderna.

Correct.

I recall Trump clumsily asking Biden about a payment to Hunter from the mayor of Moscow while the female moderator started panicking, “Hold on, hold on….” and quickly cutting Trump off.

Then Biden responded with something about 55 or 51 “former Intelligence officials” saying the laptop and its contents were “Russian disinformation.”

He actually said that.

Has anyone in the mainstream media followed up with him on that claim? Even after the laptop and its contents were authenticated.

Of course not.

Remember the Atlantic story with the fabrications about Trump calling WWI soldiers “losers”? “Much more” was supposed to be forthcoming from the guy who fabricated the “story.” (Goldberg?) There wasn’t. It was a lie.

Hence my earlier comment. There wasn’t going to be an “October surprise” for Trump because the media wasn’t going to let another “Comey-Hillary bombshell” such as came out in 2016 happen again.

The way things are going is agony enough!

“In fairness, this year’s deaths cannot be entirely attributed to conservatives getting COVID and dying to make Biden’s numbers worse than Trump’s and thereby own the libs. Blacks, Mexicans, and Mexicans from the rest of Latin America were also too dumb and lazy to get vaccinated. August company.”

Henry ‘Hammerin’ Hank’ Aaron and ‘Marvelous’ Marvin Hagler are both unavailable for comment.

https://visionlaunch.com/20000-deaths-reported-to-vaers-following-covid-vaccines/

Subject matter side, we can truly admire a post that gets Agree, Thanks, LOL, Troll and Replies. It’s like the epic game where Lemieux scored a goal all five ways: power play, shorty, even-strength, penalty shot and empty net

“I got the Pfizer booster (2 Modernas to start) a few weeks ago. Felt fine for about two hours then felt like I had the flu, then shivered and slept for 5-6 hours. Convinced me that a) I had an immune reaction, so it was probably a real vaccine (who trusts CVS?) and b) I sooo do not want covid.”

Just out of curiosity: How old are you? What is your body-mass index? Which (actual) diseases do you have as comorbidities, if you should happen to contract the deadly Omicron mutation of the virus? How much sunshine vitamin D do you get? Do you smoke cigarettes? Does your home use a humidifier?

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Bernie became a Democrat to run for POTUS as a Democrat.

He switched back to “Independent” after he dropped out of the race; at least he did in 2016. He maintains the non-party affiliation because he is an avowed socialist. But the fact is that he caucuses with the Democrats and the most left-wing Democrats in Congress are no different than him in outlook.

“Media would have us believe it was either/both Comey reopening the Clinton email investigation or/and wikileaks publishing the Podesta/DNC emails.”

Thanks! I had forgotten that those particular e-mails had been published that late in the campaign. As for the Hillary investigation’s being reopened, all that happened, and was announced, was that new e-mails had been discovered, and that they needed to be read and evaluated– not that new evidence of any actual wrongdoing had been discovered. She was (wrongly) cleared– yet again– three days before the election. Regardless, as the chart at Real Clear Politics shows . . .

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

. . . there was no “October surprise” that actually appeared to turn the election in Trump’s favor. I was in a distinct minority of non-partisan observers who had predicted a Trump victory, on the eve of the 2016 presidential election.

“However, there are now two oral COVID medications. Both are mutagenic for rdrp replication of RNA. “

For those still trying to make us believe that it was the “gene-altering” capabilities of mRNA vaccines — or whatever hogwash it was to hide from the fact that after a year of telling schooling everyone about the importance of not being terrified, they were wetting their panties in terror over a needle (way to go, “lions”) — there’s the recently approved Novavax which has done as well or better than the mRNA vaccines. Will that convince any of the truthers to get jabbed? Unlikely — it’s easier to simply scrape up some other lame excuse from their backsides. The fact that no one believes their earlier ones didn’t stop them.

In this context, the success of the Novavax vaccine should be A1 news. The recent results confirm that it has roughly the same efficacy as the two authorized mRNA vaccines, with the added benefit of being based on an older, more familiar science. The protein-subunit approach used by Novavax was first implemented for the hepatitis B vaccine, which has been used in the U.S. since 1986. The pertussis vaccine, which is required for almost all children in U.S. public schools, is also made this way.

Another few hours of printing would have fixed any voting deficit.

They reduced deaths to 1/11 (that’s not a date) the unvaccinated rate. They did not cause sterilizing immunity and did not stop the spread.

Except they didn’t. Vaccinated people can get and spread COVID too. And remember, anybody who dies of COVID with only one shot of Pfizer or Moderna is “unvaccinated”.

They stopped masking and stopped social distancing, but refused to get vaccinated, as they were suddenly expert immunologists, having scrolled through a Twitter feed.

As opposed to liberals who blindly trust “The Science” – i.e. whatever NPR tells them that Anthony Fauci said this morning.

Oh, yeah. They also started taking ivermectin, a neurotoxin for parasitic worms. It is a wonder drug, and its discoverers earned their Nobel prize.

Remdesivir is a (twice) repurposed drug too. Ivermectin appears to be far more successful in preventing hospitalization and death than Remdesivir.

In fairness, this year’s deaths cannot be entirely attributed to conservatives getting COVID and dying to make Biden’s numbers worse than Trump’s and thereby own the libs. Blacks, Mexicans, and Mexicans from the rest of Latin America were also too dumb and lazy to get vaccinated. August company.

No, they can also be attributed to liberals, who masked up, locked down, got jabbed……………..and still died of COVID.

However, there are now two oral COVID medications. Both are mutagenic for rdrp replication of RNA. One was tested for flu, but withdrawn over concerns that it is mutagenic for DNA polymerase replication of DNA.

Yeah……..what could go wrong with that. Knock yourself out.

For those still trying to make us believe that it was the “gene-altering” capabilities of mRNA vaccines — or whatever hogwash it was to hide from the fact that after a year of telling schooling everyone about the importance of not being terrified, they were wetting their panties in terror over a needle.

You continue to peddle this lie. You are a contemptible liar.

Nobody is afraid of needles.

They are afraid of bio-security-state apologist psychopaths like you.

“Well, from a public health standpoint [stopping transmission is] kind of the whole idea.”

The hundreds of millions of people who have been getting flu vaccines for many years before COVID came along (“51.8% of people ages six months and older”, during the 2019-2020 flu season) must have missed that memo. As with the COVID vaccines, the flu vaccine doesn’t magically prevent you from catching the flu, lasts about six months, and needs to be re-administered and reformulated every flu season to keep up with variants.

But even if you do get a breakthrough infection, the flu vaccine will “reduce severity of illness in people who get vaccinated but still get sick.” Which is why doctors keep recommending it, year after year, with little to no controversy.

The flu vaccine is from 40 – 60% efficacious; basically a coin toss, every year. That’s why we still “vaccinate” for the flu pandemic we’ve been in since the early 20th century.

The claim that the annual (bi-annual, tri-annual, nay, quadri-annual!) jabs “reduce severity of illness” is a counter-factual. There is no way to prove that a shot made the illness less severe with a virus that 99% of people recover from in a few days with orange juice and an OTC expectorant.

Jeez Steve, it’s just a bad case of the flu. OK, one financed by the US and engineered in a lab in Wuhan. What’s the big deal?

I kid, I kid. Kind of.

…social distancing and (finally) masking slowed the spread in 2020…

Rubbish.

The logic of, “parasitic worms are bad. Ivermectin treats parasitic worm infections. COVID is bad, too. Therefore, ivermectin treats COVID” is lacking a certain je ne sais quoi.

What utter drivel.

Even on YouTube there are still easily accessible sources (though they have to tread very carefully) who have intelligent, measured things to say about ivermectin and other promising therapeutics – e.g., John Campbell, Bret Weinstein.

Since you’re obviously completely unable and/or unwilling honestly to paraphrase the positions of those who take more nuanced positions than your own, may I suggest that you try quoting their best arguments directly? Then try to refute them?

The sort of straw-manning you engage in here is contemptible.

“The flu vaccine is from 40 – 60% efficacious…”

As measured by way of breakthrough cases. The fact that you’re less likely to die from flu even if you do get a breakthrough case — same as with COVID vaccines — means it’s a jab still worth getting, something no one thought to complain about in past years. So clearly, your earlier claim about how preventing transmission is “kind of the whole idea” was just another swirl of ink like the kind a cornered squid squirts. And no, the regular flu caseload does not constitute a pandemic — you even managed to bungle that one. You’re really acing this whole “public health” category.

“The claim that the annual (bi-annual, tri-annual, nay, quadri-annual!) jabs “reduce severity of illness” is a counter-factual.”

So maybe present some facts instead of lame evidence-free assertions. Like this one: “During the four-week sample size from this fall, unvaccinated people in their 30s were 48 times more likely to die of COVID-19 and people in their 40s were 63 times more likely than those who were vaccinated, according to the state [of Texas]”

Or this one, based on a broader sample: “Unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications,…”

Or this one: Up to nine in 10 Covid patients in ICU in London are unjabbed and BEG for doctors to vaccinate them in hospital, [UK] medic claims…”

But ignore that, because of some hand-waving assertions about what is and isn’t counter-factual? I can’t say it makes any sense, because it doesn’t, but it goes a long way towards explaining your public health acumen.

I didn’t actually read your TLDR, I just wanted to complete the tag tower.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

“Orwellian”

Whilst grazing online this morning I noticed two media outlets — NBC affiliates in the W zone — using the term “Vaccinated Vulnerable.” From “Safe and Effective” to “Vaccinated Vulnerable.” In both stories the scapegoat unvaccinated are to blame for the failure of the vaccines. Public Health bureaucrats could’ve saved the world from bucketloads of misery and grief by identifying the Pfizer and Moderna products as therapeutics. Therapeutics with dangerous and likely long-term side-effects.

Herd immunity only works if enough of the herd get vaccinated. We’re at like 60% right now. It may be that the vaccine is so leaky that 100% coverage would still leave the virus infecting more than one person per person who caught it, but probably that would have worked.

We won’t be able to clear 75% without martial law and the crack-up coming early.

“Even on YouTube there are still easily accessible sources (though they have to tread very carefully) who have intelligent, measured things to say about ivermectin and other promising therapeutics.”

How much longer before we get past the “promising” stage? Hasn’t it been close to a year or so since ivermectin eclipsed HCQ? And as for measured, yeah, you at least got that one right:

Ivermectin, touted as a treatment of COVID by the anti-vaccine crowd, has “no effect,” according to a major study.

And Brett Weinstein was a biology professor before he turned to podcasting. According to Wikipedia: “In August of 2021, Weinstein said he had misstated that a study had shown a 100% effective ivermectin protocol for the prevention of COVID.”

So yeah, if that’s your go-to ivermectin expert, that’s “measured” indeed. Meanwhile, I’m waiting on how this “promising” new drug that has been touted for months but can’t seem to do more than reduce the number of sick-days somewhat is going to be a gamechanger for COVID. If you want some, go ahead and take it — I’m not knocking it, especially, given that it’s a lot better than electroplating your molars with zinc or whatever else the truthers decide to do once ivermectin goes, like HCQ, down the memory-hole, but at this point, if this were anything close to what its advocates were claiming, we’d have more than vague talk about how “promising” it supposedly is.

“Chris Wallace wouldn’t let him talk about the laptop.”

See what Steve did here? He craftily combined three hot-button! topics that he knows occupies the brains of iSteve fans — COVID vaccine, 1/6, Trump — to generate the kind of traffic that Joan Didion just can’t draw. But Steve’s a half-ass manipulator: he neglected to end the post with a fundraising pitch.

The gun video is terrific!

I’m 42. I have high cholesterol, low iron, I had serious back surgery, and am disabled. I’m schizoaffective, which might explain some of what I post. Overweight but not quite obese. Blood sugar fine. I take 1g iron/day, 4 or 5000 iu vitamin D. Not much sun, though i walk 20 minutes outside every day.

My friend had covid. He said it was like a horrible cold. To quote, it “knocked him on his ass. He lost his sense of smell completely, could not taste anything. Sounded unpleasant.

Omicron seems to be less deadly,though who knows. Milder virus plus fully vaccinated and antivirals coming, it’s getting close to just the flu territory. Though one of the antivirals reduced hospitalization but not death.

If two vaccine shots 6 months ago do not give your immune stystem enough head start with omicron it is possible that having had omicron will not protect you from delta. There are ~160 serotypes of rhinovirus…

I’m ready for the pandemic to be over.

How truly dumb progressives are has never be on display until now. What you are saying is medical gibberish. I sincerely hope you don’t work in the medical field.

“You might avoid it if you get vaccinated, if not, you can turn a ~1% chance of death into a ~0.1% chance. With fresh vaccination (or a booster) your chance with omicron is likely even better. ” Data is showing the complete opposite. The vaccinated are getting sick and dying at higher rates everywhere. Advocating a vaccine for Omicron is a “we should talk about taking Grandpa’s keys” moment.

The only people mentioning needles are you pro-vaccine commissars attempting to belittle people with your scared of needles bullshit.

The popularity of tattoos has exploded over the last 20 years for better or for worse, as well as piercing just about any part of the body one can imagine. It’s a bit difficult to reconcile that with people having a fear of needles. Most working class guys I know (which is a hell of a lot more than you know) both have tattoos and refuse to get the vaccine.

You should keep quiet until Sailer thinks up a new false reason for people choosing not to receive the covid vaccine. Once he does, you can start parroting that for him as well.

Ireland is over 90% vaccinated. High numbers boosted too. Infection rates are skyrocketing at the moment.

“Herd immunity only works if enough of the herd get vaccinated. ”

Wrong. Herd immunity is when a sufficient number of the population becomes immune, regardless of vaccination status. There is a thing known as natural immunity and it certainly applies to muh covid. Children are practically invulnerable to it.

You’re typically a much more sensible person about issues, but upon reading your post about your health concerns it explains your fears.* I probably finally got the corona about 6 weeks ago. Felt like a bad cold and my sense of taste and smell diminished. I didn’t miss a day of work. I’m 46. But I’m in above average physical condition even for a 30 year old male.

*Sailer’s health history also explains his fears about the dreaded Beer Flu. But he likes to project his fears onto others with the “afraid of needles” nonsense.

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Oh, you didn’t know we are playing UnzQuest? Well, you are very far behind.

Too true. Typically, a new vaccine is pulled from the market if it is associated with >50 deaths via VAERS (e.g., the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976). The Covid vaccines are at 19,000+ and counting.

You’re an idiot. Look at the divergence between Covid deaths rates now, covid case rates and how they used to be pre-vaccine. The vaccine makes it 10× less likely that you will die. The vaccine also has ridiculously infrequent serious side effects. It has saved countless lives and allowed us freedom again. Truly, anti-vaxxers going into 2022, are some of the world’s stupidest people.

It is OK to admit that you were wrong. You are not exactly an expert. You should expect to be wrong a lot.

“You continue to peddle this lie. You are a contemptible liar.”

Always such a delight to have the former self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros who once spoke on their behalf in first-person-plural, but who now wants us to believe he was never a member of that club chiming in to accuse other people of being contemptible liars. Sad to say, your ample experience on that topic hasn’t given you much insight into others.

And what clearer evidence could I offer of how dismally low the just-a-flu-bros have sunk when even their former self-appointed spokesmen now disavows them? So yeah, thanks for that. Always a delight.

“They are afraid of bio-security-state…”

At least we can agree that it is fear causing them to wet their panties. Whatever buzzwords you want to concoct and tack on afterwards doesn’t make that fear any less abject, craven, or pathetic — all of it still festering after a year and a half of telling people not to give in to fear and panic. What a way to sock it to the libs — you sure showed them what’s what.

“It’s a bit difficult to reconcile that with people having a fear of needles.”

I didn’t accuse all people, or people in general, of having a fear of needles. I accused panty-wetting little crybabies like you, convinced as you are that being told to wear a mask to Walmart is the “greatest seizure of civil liberties ever visited upon the American populace” — even more so than the IRS, and forced conscription.

Are we clear on that? You are the tantrum-throwing little sissy-pants I accused of being afraid of needles, and with good reason. Maybe it’s just the drama of it, and the need for attention, that drives both that and whatever tattoos you’ve collected over the years, but trying to convince me of your overall mental soundness by appealing to your tats is not a particularly impressive comeback. Same goes for your muscle car, combover, pit bull, sock-in-the-underwear or whatever else you try to paper over your inadequacy issues.

If it triggers you so much to have your crybaby hysteria exposed to the world, maybe do something to fix that instead of lashing out at those who point it out to you.

Always such a delight to have the former self-appointed spokesman of the just-a-flu bros who once spoke on their behalf in first-person-plural, but who now wants us to believe he was never a member of that club chiming in to accuse other people of being contemptible liars. Sad to say, your ample experience on that topic hasn’t given you much insight into others.

I’ve never said it was “‘just a flu”. And again, you prove yourself to be a contemptible liar.

It is your like who have proven themselves to be vaporing hysterics. But also more than that – craven apologists for repression. Seriously, in the spirit of the season, allow me to say with all sincerity: F**k you.

“Vaccinated people can get and spread COVID too.”

They can, they just do so in significantly fewer numbers.

“Unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications,…”

I think the antibody differential in the second shot vs the first is something like a factor of five, according to one Israeli study, but that was a while ago. Even so, that need for the second dose might explain why, if you simply chickened out in sheer terror after your first one, you’re regarded as not really much different than the unvaxxed. I’m not saying that’s what happened — I’m more inclined to consider you too cowardly to take even one jab — but I wouldn’t rule it out.

“Unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications,…”

Without addressing any confounding factors. Like – for example – with the role out of mandates, unvaccinated people are often required to get tested (with a test prone to false positives) when vaccinated people are not.

Anyway, it’s not as if the CDC or any other government agency has given me reason to believe them over the last couple of years. You do? Fine – believe what you like. It’s a free country. Well, actually, not so much anymore – and largely because of twits like you.

You and I both need to get our BMIs down under 25. (A few years ago, when I was walking and swimming, most days, mine was down to about 20.8; now it is 26.0!) I was sick in February 2020, which my oral surgeon, the following month, retrospectively diagnosed as Covid-19; but, a test that I took, that May, said that I was negative for having had it. I finally got the J&J shot, at the beginning of this month, to please my hectoring family members. Before that, I could not find it available locally– and I would not have gotten an mRNA shot, no matter how much hectoring my family and friends had done. The pandemic will be over when it runs its natural course; the so-called vaccines are not going to end it, as falsely advertised.

It would be refreshing to have more old school leftist/liberals engaging in debate here.

One thing that has been interesting to me has been the flip over who supports the natural health movement. My local hippie health food store that has been there for decades sold organic food for people who didn’t want to eat food with pesticides and additives sold by Big Agriculture. They sold nutritional supplements for people who wanted an alternative to the drugs and vaccines offered by Big Pharma.

Now you see that the left has abandoned any skepticism when it comes to this area. There are a few old school leftists around like Robert Kennedy Jr. here in the U.S. or Jeremy Corbyn in the U.K. who don’t support forced vaccinations but most of the left have turned into shills for Big Pharma. Their leaders have been completely corrupted by big corporate political donations from companies who desire profits from having the government force people to use their products. Large parts of the right seem to be slowing turning into what the old school left used to be. The Democrats have turned into the party of Big Pharma, Big Agriculture, Big Tech, the Military-Industrial Complex, the Higher Education Complex and Wall Street. They are the party of the parasitic elites that are destroying this country.

“The vaccinated are getting sick and dying at higher rates everywhere.”

Sorry, that’s not a thing. If it were, you’d actually provide some evidence. Maybe if you forget about the notion of “per capita”, or else try to lump death rates of 30 year olds in with death rates of 60-year-olds as Berenson did, you’d possibly convince those in your echo chamber, but elsewhere, it’s the unvaxxed who — per capita and in comparing consistent age ranges — are doing the overwhelming share of the dying.

October surprises are a media bullshit. Largely fake.

However vaccine approvals in October would have levelled the playing field for Trump. It’s disgusting to see how the Pharmaceutical companies kneecapped Trump with this delay in announcements and claims. It was a corporate blackmail.

“Like – for example – with the role out of mandates, unvaccinated people are often required to get tested (with a test prone to false positives) when vaccinated people are not.”

You think that’s enough to explain a 9-14 fold hospitalization/death-rate differential? You think the number of those who are hospitalized with COVID and later die there depends on how many tests they were forced to get at their workplace? Did all those nose swabs rob them of their precious bodily fluids to the extent they dehydrated away into nothing?

Good luck making that theory work, though I have no doubt those in your echo chamber will gobble it up.

I don’t believe the beagle-torturer all that much. But if people like you are the alternative, then it’s no wonder that that bio-state…this-or-that… came to be seen as the saner alternative, or whatever that specific cluster of nonsensical buzzwords was that you strung together to try and rationalize your cowardice and clueless inability to put together a coherent way forward. Moaning about your wet panties and stringing together nonsense buzzwords — not to mention desperately grasping at straws — is not really the sensible alternative you seem to think it is.

Brett [sic] Weinstein was a biology professor before he turned to podcasting. According to Wikipedia: “In August of 2021, Weinstein said he had misstated that a study had shown a 100% effective ivermectin protocol for the prevention of COVID.”

One of the many admirable things about Bret Weinstein is that he corrects himself when he gets anything wrong. He is a scientist – not a propagandist.

Unlike you.

“There is a thing known as natural immunity and it certainly applies to muh covid. Children are practically invulnerable to it.”

Children are not immune. They don’t die from COVID, that’s true, but they catch it and pass it on. Maybe you should first learn what immunity actually means before lecturing others about it.

Vaccinated are dying from omicron at higher rates everywhere? I wanna see a citation for that.

Vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED) or vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD) at work? Know the mechanisms?

Fact is, omicron has boomed in places where people are young and thin. Who knows what it’s going to do to Americans. A “milder” covid that overflows the hospitals because it’s so contagious would still be bad.

Where do y’all get the idea that covid is worse for vaccinated people? Vox day seems to think the vaccines make you more vulnerable to covid snd sterilize you. Haven’t looked recently, has he added any new effects? Do you know how vaccines work? If omicron is worse for vaccinated people, then it is likely worse for people who caught another strain of covid. Is it?

As far as a vaccine for a “mild” disease goes, if there were a polyvalent rhinovirus vaccine, I would take it in a second.

I understand that the same media that celebrates white dispossession tells you that getting vaccinated is a good idea. But it really is

Not to mention, omicron’s phenotype is not set in stone. Death is a side effect from the virus “point of view” dead host or recovered host is the same.

Hey retard, if you reread the sentence of mine that you yourself quoted, I said children are invulnerable, not children are immune. Perhaps you should crack a dictionary when spouting your propaganda.

You think that’s enough to explain a 9-14 fold hospitalization/death-rate differential?

Well, as they say, if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

Fact is, omicron has boomed in places where people are young and thin. Who knows what it’s going to do to Americans. A “milder” covid that overflows the hospitals because it’s so contagious would still be bad.

How many hours would it take me to unpack all of the foolishness & wickedness jammed into this amazingly stupid comment?

More than I’ve got available, at the moment.

Latinos like strength in their politicians

I don’t doubt that Biden is a strong president. He’s pretty strong in terms of insisting that only black lives matter, and that a bunch of people strolling through the Capitol is the equivalent of the storming of the Bastille. I don’t think Hispanics want strength – they want murderers killed and criminals who aren’t murderers imprisoned. Again, this is a fairly traditional stance that both parties supported to varying extents, until the Democrats embraced crime sprees and Trump muddled the GOP’s long-standing tough-on-crime image by backing a drug dealer amnesty.

I understand that the same media that celebrates white dispossession tells you that getting vaccinated is a good idea. But it really is.

Doesn’t this really depend on what age group you are talking about? Certainly for those in high risk groups such as those over 60 getting vaccinated is a good idea.

For those under 60, though, there is a 99.7% survival rate for Covid. We know there are some side effects in this group such as myocarditis from the vaccines. We don’t know for sure how frequent these side effects are. The VAERS system may be under reporting the number of side effects. It’s a voluntary system that requires doctors to learn how to use it and then spend the time, about a half hour each, to fill out the reports. Some doctors may not want to do this. Some doctors may also fear retaliation if they submit too many reports. Many doctors are now part of group practices connected to hospitals and have lost their previous independence.

In addition to being uncertain how common the side effects are, we don’t know what the long term effects of the vaccines are. Vaccines are normally tested 4 to 5 years but these were only tested for 8 months. The vaccine companies also demanded legal immunity against any lawsuits involving vaccine injuries. If the vaccines are safe, why would they need to do this? There have been no studies of the effects of repeated booster shots. Since no one has a crystal ball and can see the future, no one can be sure about what the long term effects of these vaccines are.

Since we are unsure how common current side effects are and what they might be in the future, it is very difficult to do a cost-benefit analysis. Since our big public health agencies are potentially subject to regulatory capture by the companies they are regulating, that needs to be factored in as far as their ability to be objective in doing such a cost-benefit analysis too. It might be best to leave it up to individuals to make their own decisions here instead of pretending we have omniscient leaders who know what is best for us.

They reduced deaths to 1/11 (that’s not a date) the unvaccinated rate.

Well, maybe if you ignore that the death count stats include 2020, where there was significant mortality displacement, e.g. culling, of “low hanging fruit,” e.g. the sickest and oldest as a huge part of the unvaxxed count.

Stats restricted to the period when vaxxes commenced and not counting partially-vaxxed or those within 14 days of second dose as unvaxxed blow that 1/11th number out of the water.

The benefits of the vaxxes are significantly overstated.

Subject to whim, did anyone else Notice that there’s no mention of how the “spectacular[,] very high” efficacy of the Pfizer product was calculated?

Nah, I was too busy noticing the Absolute Risk Reduction was only from 0.84% in the control group down to 0.04% in the vaxx group … oh, that and the actual all-cause death count in the control group was actually lower than in the vaxx group before they hurriedly cut the study off.

So what alternative do you see to the current system and what gets us there?

The Trump Administration’s decision in late summer to require Moderna to delay its clinical trial by a month

In the case, “the Trump administration” actually means whoever was on the COVID taskforce or coordinating with Moderna–i.e., more Democrat bureaucrats with an interest in delaying the vaccine for political purposes.

You could point to a lot of factors that could have flipped the election for Trump. Ron Unz’s article on the stolen election was spot on. But the GOP establishment is also responsible for not playing hardball. The BS the Democrats were pulling in some states with changing election laws or procedures should have been answered by any state with a GOP-dominated legislature refusing to certify their state’s election or send electors.

Steve,

Wisconsin, not Nevada, would give Trump the tie and Wisconsin was closer than Nevada.

A Republican Congress in 2023 needs to investigate Pfizer for its politically motivated decisions. These people need to be punished and humiliated to send a message. Of course we also need investigations of the George Floyd riots and the big tech companies.

I have no interest in voting for Republicans who will not focus on punishing our enemies. Our niceness and passivity is the reason we’re losing our rights daily.

Thanks.

For those who still may not have Noticed:

0.04 / 0.84 = .0476

1.0 – .0476 = .9524

That’s the “spectacular[,] very high” rate of efficacy — aka “over 95%” — used by Pfizer, captured regulators and politicians, innumerable innumerates of the Establishment media, and their amplifying sheep to stampede us to our sorry state. A country where, if still invited, you’ll be sitting on eggshells at Christmas dinner with your distracted/divided/conquered family.

The rate of ignorance about this, nearly two years later, must be even higher than 95%. Maintained here by Mr. Sailer, who now does know better but would rather nerdbait readers with the last Most Important Election Ever.

You succinctly get to what always takes me many more words. The anyone who is anybody “Trump Must Go!” alignment, domestic and foreign, had four years to learn from their failure of planning and will in 2016.

As they openly demonstrated over and over in 2020, the Unstoppable Force was not going to give way to the Immoveable Object, no matter the cost and danger to the republic.

Thus whether the delayed Pfizer news, or the Soviet-style censorship and disinformation regarding the Biden Crime Family, an October Surprise(s) were merely a problem in terms of post-Election Day salesmanship of the steal. The Fake News wouldn’t have missed a beat on Pfizer if it had come out. They would have labeled it good news for Trump that just wasn’t good enough, early voting and all that.

It’s fun to think about discrete counterfactuals. However, if you haven’t figured out in the instant case that they were prepared to apply whatever level of malicious force to not fail this time then you weren’t paying attention.

Am I the only one that remembers the Fake News shouting beginning in the summer of the “sieges” planned in all fifty state capitals beginning in September and amping up their violence until Trump was gone? It was quickly memory-holed but on 1/6, CNN and MSNBC were live reporting that “Trump supporters” were attacking at least one state capital.

By giving way, Trump saved us from a mass casualty false flag that would have been blamed on him and MAGA, and resulted in quick passage of the totalitarian, bye-bye to the Constitution, domestic Patriot Act they had ready to go.

He then saved the republic again by refusing to concede, allowing the illegitimate regime cards to
play. Rasmussen reported the other day that even 41% of Democrats question the election result.

Say what you will about Trump, but he has courageously teed up a win-win by, in effect, making election integrity law changes at the state level under the rubric of “so 2020 can never happen again,” the only way to let air out of the ‘Put him back where he rightfully belongs’ balloon.

He’s added the additional threat of becoming Speaker in the next (Republican-controlled) Congress, which is designed to get Democrats to sail dictator Pelosi’s ship tout de suite. Then “the nastiest old woman in Washington,” aka Mitch McConnell will quickly follow. Otherwise, unless I miss my mark, they’re going to buy themselves Speaker Trump putting the wood to the Democrats and RINO filth like nobody’s business.

“I’ve never said it was ‘just a flu’”.

You replied as “we” to a comment specifically addressed to “all the ‘just the flu, bro’ guys”. I’ll let others draw their own obvious conclusions, given that doing so is evidently beyond your mental/moral capacity.

In the future, if you’re going to lie about things like that, don’t leave a paper trail. And to repeat, if people have come to regard the prattle of a beagle-torturing bureaucrat to be more believable than whatever it is you’re peddling, that says far more about you than it does about the beagle torturer.

I have been warring with my wife for the last half of the year over the wisdom of getting my 14 year old son injected. Neither he nor I are vaccinated and neither of us have any intention to be due to both having antibodies and confirmed cases earlier this year.

My wife and I recently reached a detente on this issue due to the too-hard-to-hide failure of the vaccines to prevent transmission and the clear evidence that the mRNA is more dangerous to young people than the disease itself. She cannot disagree with my position that neither one of us needs the shot, even if she doesn’t like it, so she has quit harping over it lately.

I was hoping this uneasy truce would persist indefinitely, but to my chagrin, last night at Christmas Eve dinner, my in-laws announced that they had rescheduled the family vacation Alaskan cruise of 2020 that had been canceled two years ago. We’re going to Alaska in July 2022! GREAT!

Except that cruise ships all require vax passes and unless the mask nonsense is repealed there is no way I’m getting on a plane for 6+ hours and enduring that humiliation. No f’ing way. I can pray that all of the restrictions are lifted beforehand, but the intractable culture war nature of this makes that very unlikely.

My father in law is usually pretty reasonable about this kind of stuff and in the past has asked first to confirm dates and interest etc etc, but I’m pretty sure his wife – my mother in law who thinks anything announced by network news is divine truth – probably insisted that it be sprung on us this time so as to put me on the spot.

So this vax battle is going to heat up again for me in the forthcoming months. My wife and her parents are going to claim that I’m being ungrateful for not wanting to go on vacation with them and I also will be accused of “polluting” my son’s mind with my rightwing politics for not forcing him to go get the shot and risk his health over an illness that is not a threat to him.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ME!

“Well, maybe if you ignore that the death count stats include 2020,”

No, the Texas factor-of-40 death-differential was restricted to the month of September so as to address the matter of how well the vaccines were doing regarding the delta wave. And the Daily Mail article about the roughly 10-fold predominance of unvaxxed patients even in a more-vaxxed-country like the UK is about 3 days old.

But all the same, I’m now better able to understand how you came to believe what you evidently believe.

In order to avoid surpassing the 3-article-per-hour limit, I’ll collapse my responses to all the other Algonquin-round-table-level of wit and intellectual rigor I’ve witnessed in the last few hours [“Hey retard,”,”foolishness & wickedness …amazingly stupid…bullsh*t”] by stating that if you’re going to accuse others of propaganda, try and dredge up more than name-calling. Otherwise, it’s pretty clear who is dispensing propaganda. Put some links or an argument together in the way the truthers used to do before the excess-death-graphs began spiking against them, and back when they still pretended they had something more to offer than name-calling and empty put-downs. Isn’t the LewRockwell site still dispensing its usual dose of COVID flim-flam? Did Berenson lose his ability to put a sentence together now that he’s no longer able to send out his insights in tweet-sized dribbles? Isn’t there yet another libertarian think tank or Russian troll farm out there who is willing to cook up some bogus “lockdown severity index” to try and convince us to be more like Brazil or Belarus (or whatever other freedom-loving bastions of governmental honesty and efficiency the truthers are relying on now that Sweden has gone hog-wild over vaccines)? No?

Because if desperate name calling is all you’ve got, you might as well be paid agents sent out by the beagle-torturer’s minions to make the truthers look like nothing but a bunch of evidence-bereft monkeys hurling their scats at passers-by. If that’s your ultimate goal here, you’ve done your job well. And yes, that is name-calling, I’ll admit, but at least I managed to put together some links to back that up, whereas you can’t even bother doing that much. Oh yeah, and so sorry about not misspelling Bret as Brett, for whoever it was that cared about that, though if that’s the only mistake you were able to dredge up, well, you do the math.

“For those under 60, though, there is a 99.7% survival rate for Covid.”

That’s just the death toll itself, I presume. The number of those who survive but still manage to clog up the hospitals along the way with an otherwise easily avoidable illness — something, as I recall, you have first-hand experience with — and then suffer months of complications (some of those ventilator survivors will never be 100% again, even if they’re technically survivors), should not be ignored.

If the truthers had the intellectual honesty to stop clogging up hospitals and EMT services — not to mention restaurants and movie theatres and so forth — and stay out of public reach, their no one would care that their fragile and puny little lungs wilt like lettuce in a hot dumpster whenever they’re forced to wear a mask. No one would care that they wet their panties over the fear of a needle or of how Bill Gates is hiding under their bed.

The problem remains that once they stop breathing and turn blue (at which their spirit animal is no longer a “lion” but rather more like “roadkill”) the people around them become sane enough to momentarily disregard all the Facebook propaganda that led up to this debacle and deposit them at the ER, whereupon the clogging commences. The reason people don’t complain about the Amish so much is because the Amish do a better job of consistently living like the Amish. Whereas the truthers want to have it both ways.

Again, I can understand why you yourself don’t appreciate the gravity of the harm that causes the medical system we all ultimately depend on in one way or another, but like I said, those around you might well choose to be more sane.

But the main point of vaccines is that they can get us to herd immunity in 2021, so we will then be DONE with the pandemic: no more lockdowns, no more masks, no more this and that.

But, the anti-vaxers are, in effect, on the side of the lockdowners. By slowing and perhaps preventing us from getting to herd immunity, we might be still doing the same lockdown stuff in 2022 as in 2020.

—iSteve

“Can you imagine how bad the anti-vax propaganda in the New York Times would be if Pfizer had announced its vaccine worked on November 2, Trump had spent the final 18 hours before the election boasting nonstop about the vaccine, and that had flipped 1 out of every 300 votes, giving Trump a 269-269 Electoral College tie and likely victory with House delegations voting by state?”

LOL, simply and patently false, iSteve. You are wildly assuming that this subset voters would have undoubtedly changed their mind due squarely on this issue. The fact of the matter is that most American citizens had decided already who they were supporting, especially those who had cast their ballot via mail days or weeks earlier.

But I will admit it makes for tremendous drama on your part. No doubt you are inspired by the Hair Negresses and Tiger Moms.

Let us NOTICE how Trump viewed Coronavirus throughout his presidency, which swayed a good number of Americans to NOT trust him on this dire health matter.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/

And let us also NOTICE a very important decision that Trump made earlier this year, but of course is denying.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/529131-trump-officials-deny-turning-down-additional-doses-of-pfizer-covid-vaccine

Happy Holidays, iSteve!

“I don’t care who is in the white house or when the vaccine was rolled out. I had covid and I’m not taking the f’ing clot shot“

They say that selfishness only jeopardizes the health of those around you.

Happy Holidays!

Again, I can understand why you yourself don’t appreciate the gravity of the harm that causes the medical system we all ultimately depend on in one way or another, but like I said, those around you might well choose to be more sane.

You appear to be lumping older and younger people together here. Most younger people don’t end up in the hospital when they get Covid. Like I said before, we don’t know what the long term harmful effects of the vaccines are and no one should pretend that we do.

I don’t think I’m going to spend time going back and repeating everything I said in my previous comment. I’ve noticed when you respond to comments, including mine, rather than respond to the actual comment you go off on a tangent. You seem completely oblivious this makes you appear evasive. You also rely heavily on feeble attempts at sarcasm and insults. It’s been my experience over 65 years that people substitute name calling when they don’t actually have a good argument.

I’m really interested in the truth on this subject. Between the pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers, it seems to be mostly the pro-vaxxers who appear to be calling for censorship of their opponents. Are they afraid they can’t win in an open forum? Why is Tony “I am science” Fauci only willing to give interviews to friendly journalists? The only time I’ve seen him face hostile questions was with Rand Paul and he really looked rattled by it and unable to handle the situation. He was only there because he didn’t have a choice. For the pro-vaxxer side, the optics of all this is very bad for them.

The lyrics keep changing, but the bleat goes on.

Admit something, at least to yourself:

1. When you first rolled up your sleeve for one of these therapeutics, you had been fearpharmed that they were “vaccines,” which would prevent viral infection and transmission.

2. The Establishment has acknowledged that this earlier narrative was false, but you’re stuck.

3. Rather than thinking about and attending to the potentially adverse long term effects of a marginal, short term therapeutic, you’re masking any doubts, embarrassment, and regrets by scapegoating those who were more skeptical for “clogging up hospitals and EMT services.”

What’s your position on mandatory injections?

I consider myself a pretty good arbiter of risk when it comes to cost/benefit analysis. 25+ years in General Insurance combined with the highest level of qualification in that field (Fellow of the Chartered Insurance Institute), a CPA designation, and most recently a CFA designation makes me fairly confident that I have a better grasp of risk than most.

Diamond Princess was perhaps the first clear indication that something didn’t exactly add up with the fear-mongering.

Went to my 2 favourite ‘bloggers’ -= West Hunter & Steve Sailer

Cochran had gone nuts – predicting 6 million + deaths

Steve was……well, disappointing.

Consequently, I’ve avoided both – until I saw the review of RFK Jr’s book on RU recently.

Spending Christmas with the family (all unvaxed). For those touting the untested, liability-free shot, here’s my advice – don’t do so unless your age/morbidity factor makes it a dire necessity.

Read “State of Fear” to find how you’ve been bamboozled.
Read RFK Jr’s book along with Scott Atlas’s book.

Or continue taking the shot, quarterly, then monthly, then….?

Good luck! Oh, and Merry Christmas.

“I know everyone is worried about this variant that is floating around that we supposedly don’t know anything about and that appears to be at least somewhat resistant to the vaccines, but even if we don’t know anything about it the best thing you can do is get another shot of our excellent vaccine! Ka-ching!”

LOL, simply and patently false, iSteve

Simply and patently your opinion; an opinion which is, as usual, laughably ridiculous, pathetic, unsupported, and at odds with common sense.

It’s “patently false” to claim the New York Times isn’t incredible biased and doesn’t slant their coverage and occasionally make stuff up? Officer Sicknick was killed by a fire extinguisher, right?

Nope, that media of yours calls it right down the middle, is assiduously unbiased, and never, ever makes stuff up, just like you.

LOLOLOLOL…

Now, tell us about the all the hard evidence in the Mueller report you claimed was forthcoming to substantiate your claims about “Russian collusion” and other malfeasance?

Well?

Bwahahahahaha…

The political question is this…

How could you have an election on the eve of an announcement by Pfizer claiming that they’d found a credible vaccine and not allow voters to vote with the knowledge being discussed openly? The Democratic Party were doing a kind of insider trading knowing a vaccine was about to rolled (while they decried suggestion that vaccine was ready) out under a mandate while Trump was desperate (self serving perhaps) to let people know it was going to be available in days. Surely the securities exchange commission should look into Pfizer stock trading before the election and see how top Democratic donors and figureheads were investing one way buying Pfizer while they scoffed about a Trump approved vaccine.

What Finklethink Election. Key knowledge was dramatically withheld from the electorate about vaccine public policy right before a critically important election. The election should have been about vaccine roll out policy. Not about looting coons and arbitrary lockdowns.

Approval in October would have meant left wing protests against vaccination. You know it.

Vulnerable 75+ diabetics obese etc can only be killed once.

Revolver has a new, long but good, article that confirms my suspicions that the storming of the Capitol 1/6/2021 was instigated by the Feds and its toadies.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

Oh, wow. Thank you.

Any chance i could get one of those gold boxes around a comment that people used to get?

That Twitter account is great. Thanks!

You and I both need to get our BMIs down under 25. (A few years ago, when I was walking and swimming, most days, mine was down to about 20.8; now it is 26.0!)

Under/just around 25 seems like a good goal. Be careful about the idea that lower is better for BMI. Mortality data typically indicates 25 or a bit over is optimal, but there is some debate about whether those results are driven by sickness (especially cancer) in the low BMI people.

For one example, see the paper and figure at the last two links in this comment.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/predictions-from-1900/#comment-5082454

Especially note the variation by height. The taller you are the lower the optimal BMI it seems (artifact of the calculation).

And everyone remember that muscle/fat balance matters as well.

The pandemic will be over when it runs its natural course; the so-called vaccines are not going to end it, as falsely advertised.

Looks like that is the case. My major error during the Covidiocy was thinking the vaccines would end both the fear and the pandemic.

If Omicron really is as mild as it appears it looks like that spreading widely is as good an end as we could see from here.

Now you are getting greedy ; )

FWIW I would say a personal compliment from Steve on your body of comments for the year is >> a gold box for a single comment. But I guess if you are a completist… ; )

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!

Says Greta Handel: Rather than thinking about and attending to the potentially adverse long term effects of a marginal, short term therapeutic, you’re masking any doubts, embarrassment, and regrets by scapegoating those who were more skeptical for “clogging up hospitals and EMT services.”

My response: I left a comment about the long term effects of the vaccines, whether the benefits exceeded the risks for younger people and whether young people should be able to make their own decision on whether to get it. In his response, HA did not address any of my points and switched the subject over to old people clogging up hospitals. I think you are correct on his reasons why.

As far as people clogging up the hospitals, I think we could have greatly reduced the numbers of Covid hospitalizations, including my own, if the government had actively helped to develop early treatment protocols. Instead, people just had to sit around until they got sick enough to go into the hospital. The government actually worked to block doctors who tried to develop, implement and publicize early treatment protocols. State medical boards threatened to take away their licenses. Pharmacies, under pressure from the government, refused to fill their prescriptions. Hospitals, who receive lots of government funding, threatened to fire them if they worked for a hospital. Media platforms, under pressure from the government, banned information on early treatments. Big Pharma wants to force everyone to use their expensive patented drugs and vaccines. Pfizer made an additional several billion dollars off its Covid vaccine this year and it should surprise no one that the politician who received the most money from them, Biden, is pushing their product.

Even in hospital treatments are more ineffective and expensive than they needed to be. When I was hospitalized with Covid I felt like everyone there was desperately trying to convince me I was really sick when I didn’t feel like it. After five days a doctor came in, looked at me and said “you don’t look sick, you look healthy so I’m sending you home”. He was the only honest person there. I felt like they were just trying to squeeze as much money out of me as they could. I felt the Dexamethasone steroid helped my breathing some. The Remdesivir was pretty useless. Studies show it doesn’t really reduce death rates. Also, it’s an anti-viral and I was past the viral stage and into the inflammation stage where steroids and anti-oxidants work best. If they had just sent me home with some Dexamethasone and Vitamin C pills it would have probably been about as effective and a lot cheaper than a hospital stay and three thousand dollar Remdesivir.

“You appear to be lumping older and younger people together here. Most younger people don’t end up in the hospital when they get Covid.”

I rather doubt you are in your 20’s, but regardless, you managed, by your own admission, to clog up a hospital bed for quite some time at a time when vaccines were readily available to you. Why are you digressing to some non sequitur? The 20 year olds are certainly less likely to clog up that bed, and I blame them far less than those who older, but by being careless about spreading the disease, they help pass it on to those who will nonetheless clog up a bed, or worse. If you can’t understand why people who have done everything that was asked of them — or at least, like the Amish, not bothered to continue forcing themselves onto public spaces — are exasperated at those who keep coming up with lame arguments over why they shouldn’t have to do anything, and then get upset when people point that out their lame arguments — it’s on you to fix that.

I can only respond to so many repeated lies and distortions, and I’m sorry if you feel I should waste even more time trying to rebut them, but I do what I can, and I’m limited to three comments a thread. Given the number of conspiracy nuts on a site like this, the handful of people who actually take the time to rebut them do remarkably well. In any case, as a Christmas gesture of goodwill towards all, feel free to come up with ONE SPECIFIC THING that you find most compelling about how wrong everyone except people like you who willingly resisted getting a shot and then wound up in the hospital, thereby depriving the bed of someone who needed it for something less iditiotic. Do that, and I will try to address it despite your being exhibit #1 and ground zero for how stupidly approaches like yours to this virus turned out.

As for Fauci, I have repeatedly called him a beagle-torturing bureaucrat on this very thread. It’s not my job or inclination to defend those who torture small animals. How do you not get that? He can defend himself, assuming some researcher doesn’t snip his vocal chords like what happened to those beagles, so as to prevent anyone from having to listen to him. I will however point out that the very fact that the vast majority of people find the arguments of someone as despicable as that more compelling than the arguments of someone like you says more about your arguments than his.

As for name calling, your ridiculously one-sided take on that clearly overlooks the f-bombs and other assorted expletives hurled my way. Suffice it to say, you deserve a lot more name-calling than I’ve given you.

“Ireland is over 90% vaccinated. High numbers boosted too. Infection rates are skyrocketing at the moment.”

And yet, despite those “skyrocketing” infections, the death toll in Ireland is tiny in comparison with earlier ones. In fact, they’re not even bothering to give a daily update, and now just give a weekly roundup.

Thanks for demonstrating — yet again — how well the vaccines do at keeping the death toll low, and making the hospitalizations a small fraction of what they would be otherwise.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/#graph-deaths-daily

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/#graph-cases-daily

“When you first rolled up your sleeve for one of these therapeutics, you had been fearpharmed that they were “vaccines,” which would prevent viral infection and transmission.”

The “stopping transmission” was indeed ONE thing that people hoped for — but repeatedly said “verification is months away”. As it turns out — AS I HAVE REPEATEDLY NOTED:

“Unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications,…”

So no, it doesn’t STOP transmission, but it does SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE IT. Got that? It really isn’t difficult, and the very fact that you’re even raising the point is reason enough to dismiss you as a loon. Moreover, it drops the death toll by over 10 fold. So go ahead and keep trying to pretend that “0.04 / 0.84 = .0476” means anything at this point, given that you’re apparently so desperate to handwave away something as obvious as that drop in the death toll. It’s not persuading anyone who isn’t already on your side. You are insane if you think it will. However bogus you think those trials were, no one but the truthers and those who are as clueless as they are believe at this point that the vaccines are some failure.

If you want to insist that stopping transmission was the sole goal in all this, prove it — find me a link that says that’s the only metric of whether or not a vaccine works. As I’ve already noted, preventing breakout cases was never something the flu vaccine was able to do, and yet, for years before COVID came along, doctors repeatedly advised people to get it, with absolutely no controversy and no moron trying to tell us this is some “gotcha” for how flu vaccines don’t work. On the contrary, there are MULTIPLE goals for any vaccine, and preventing the loss of life — even of anti-vaxx losers who are begging for their Darwin awards — continues to be regarded as a primary benefit of this vaccine, and that hope has been satisfied spectacularly, for better of worse. If it were up to me, there would be no hospital beds for the unvaxxed and for people dispensing lame comments like the one you just did. You’d get a pup tent, and access to a rusty vat of ivermectin, HCQ and vitamin C and zinc — and whatever other quack cure you think will save you — and you could gargle and bathe with for all I care, but it would be out in the parking lot, or over in the nearby landfill, and that’s all you’d get. If we could do that, it would clear up the hospitals for sane people, and allow the rest of us to stop having to care, but doctors and health professionals, being the way they are, they want to save even those who were stupid enough to buy into lies like the one you’re peddling. So, alas, that’s not an option, and I will defer to the quixotic — but surely nobler — aspirations of those who want to save even the likes of you.

As for mandatory injections, as long as you’re the recipient, I’m all for them. Except, in your case, I think they should always be administered with a Black&Decker quarter-inch drill bit, carbide tip, so as to leave more syringes for the rest of us.

PREDICTION: The End of the World will happen, and when it does, it. will begin in Vermont:

https://www.wcax.com/video/2021/12/22/covid-positive-vermonters-with-no-symptoms-clog-up-ers/

If life expectancy were longer at a B.M.I. of 30 than at a B.M.I. of 20, I still would be trying to get back down to a B.M.I. of 20, rather than getting up to a B.M.I. of 30, for the first time ever. At the tail end of my first semi-starvation diet, almost twenty years ago, I got down to a B.M.I. of about 18.2, for a couple of days, and I never felt more energetic and flexible in my adult life– including when I was walking marathons every day (when I only got down to a B.M.I. of about 18.6)! I would much rather feel well and energetic, and die sooner, than feel immobile and lethargic, and live to senility.

My brother in law’s father died of a stroke a month after Pfizer jab 2, in Ireland. Anecdotal but there you go. The death split opinion in the Irish side of the family about the dangers and efficacy of the jab.

“My brother in law’s father died of a stroke a month after Pfizer jab 2, in Ireland.”

I am sorry for your loss. After 9 billion doses of the vaccine, there will be a lot of stories like yours, and however anecdotal they are, they are a tragedy to all concerned, and especially wounding on the first Christmas day spent after the death of a loved one.

That being said, the graphs I showed you speak for themselves as to what the COVID death toll was pre- and post- vaccines, to the extent that your “disagree” button dissuades me not in the least, but I hope it at least made you feel a little better.

If there were some comparable bump showing the death toll increase due to stories like yours, I certainly see no evidence of it in the corresponding MOMO chart for Irish excess deaths. That doesn’t prove there was no connection between vaccinations and that death toll graph — certainly not in the case of your in-law — but to give you an analogy, I have no problem advising people not to deactivate their air bags, and even though those have been involved in some horrific deaths (including the decapitation of small children) it is my understanding that the overall reduction in car deaths makes up for that grisly track record, and I feel much the same way about these vaccines. So even if a vaccine did kill your in-law, in and of itself it would prove little to nothing.

Using US data, the vaxxed so far are outdoing the unvaxxed on just about any metric — they’re even less likely to die of causes having nothing to do with COVID not to mention the death reductions that are related to COVID itself and that I’ve already quoted too many times already. I realize it’s not a fair sampling given that the unvaxxed group includes all sorts of daredevils and fools who seem eager to die or care little about living, but that’s what we have to work with so far.

Again, if someone could come up with something more persuasive than anecdotal data, or lame arguments that I have addressed time and time again, I would have more doubts about my course of action. I certainly have no problem with people chasing down what seem to be bad batches or bungled injections, and I’m doubtful that every single drugstore dispensing COVID vaxxes are following protocols 100% so there’s always going to be problems with any vaccine administered in unprecedented numbers, but COVID kills a lot of people, too, and I see it as the poison to be avoided. However bad the vaccines are, I’m not surprised, given how weak the anti-vaxxers’ arguments have been, that the number of injections has made it to 9bn so far and that Big Pharma is, for better or worse, regarded as the lesser evil than whatever it is the anti-vaxxers are proposing as an alternative. (Feel free to substitute some other word than for “anti-vaxxer” in that last paragraph if you find that insulting or unfair, but it won’t change the overall argument in the least.)

Merry Christmas, JR. This PanicFest is indeed making family life even tougher. I am lucky my wife is on the same page at this point. That was not at all the case 1 1/2 years back.

The stupid mask requirement in airport terminals and onboard airliners was extended to March. Who knows if they’ll use omicron or the next one to extend it again? What about the cruise ship itself, JR? If they require them in the common areas, that’d be a real P.I.T.A. Something tells me the cruise line won’t give up their vax restrictions unless business goes way down.

How about interfamily dealings? We were at some people’s house yesterday eating and hanging out at normal social distances (as in, who cares?) and these people are completely down with the vaccine. Nobody ever asked us, but we’re pretty sure they figure we’ve all gotten jabbed, contrary to the actual case. What do you do? You can’t go bothering them about it while we’ve been in the house among everybody for a couple of hours already. Plus, it might start an argument, and we want to be friends.

Then, my wife didn’t want to stay too long, figuring these recently vaccinated people (at least booster-shot wise) are spreading germs like wildfire, and we’re gonna get sick. So when we got home I took another of those Hydrochloroquine pills with a shot of zinc on the side with her.

I doubt a single person in either family will get sick, but there’s all this doubt and worry. As for me, I’m kinda amused by the whole thing.

That’s a nice job sticking to your guns on behalf of yourself and your kid. You’re not missing that much. Even the Alaska cruises are just about having a 200 yd long food bar. You’ll just gain 10 lb anyway, so maybe you all could rent a car out of Seattle and head up on your own trip to Alaska. Between the Grizzlies and the mosquitoes, COVID germies are the least of your worries. ;-}

From all my extended contacts I’ve got one person who died in the pandemic, an Hispanic inlaw who was obese with diabetes. I know several oldsters who caught covid and lived without hospitalisation. I know one person who was jabbed and died (the Irish inlaw) an Aussie uncle died during the Aussie lockdown of something or other and I think he’d been jabbed but I’m not sure on his status.

After 2 years of this, knowing many people who caught this including myself before vaccines and several people after with breakthroughs after being jabbed I’m not terribly impressed by the claims of the vaccine. Almost everyone I know has had covid. It’s like Johnny Rotten said, “ever get the feeling you’ve been ripped off?”

It’s torn through the population and carried off fatties and old diabetics and cancer patients. Not quite enough of them either.

Again, all that is still anecdotal, and however meaningful you find it, there’s a reason why such evidence is disregarded when it comes to approving a drug, or a vaccine, or determining the death toll from this or that. It’s genuinely difficult to retain a sense of objectivity even in a fairly large trial, and people are too good at finding patterns that simply don’t exist. Data-mining, p-hacking, confirmation bias, whatever you want to call it — it’s genuinely hard to get past all that.

No one denies that the vast majority of people will survive COVID, and that the elderly, overweight and diabetic will make up the vast majority of its death toll. (In fact, even before COVID, the elderly, overweight and diabetic were a disproportionate presence in most any mortuary.) The same is also true of stroke victims, I might add. But deaths can be improbable and affect primarily people you don’t care so much about, and despite that be something we should go to considerable lenghts to avoid. A round of Russian roulette leaves the vast majority of its players unscathed, but it’s still a terrible risk to undertake even if we allow for the fact that those willing to play such games are likely idiots that society could arguably do without.

If you don’t agree with COVID policies, I don’t have a problem with that. Pull your kids out of the school that demands vaccinations. Don’t get on a plane, and go into a restaurant, and so forth. The Amish do that already and they seem to be doing fine. There will be opponents to every quarantine and health precaution despite the fact that such practices date back to the days of leprosy and smallpox, and they’re an ingrained aspect of our civilization. So, like the lady in the Churchill joke, we all know what we are at this point, and the rest is just haggling over prices — specifically, how much is too much to be ignored and which lives are not really worth saving. But given that there will always be people screaming about how the lines we’re drawing are the wrong ones, don’t expect to convince me unless you can get beyond the anecdotal, and whatever animus or indifference you may hold for the old, fat, and diabetic, else I will continue to find your position to be thoroughly unpersuasive.

Objectively speaking, those 9bn shots administered tell me that thus far, you and those on your side have done an awful job of convincing those outside your echo chambers, and you ought to at least be able to admit that. I’m more than willing to buck the establishment and doubt the bureaucrats, and cast shade at Big Pharma, etc. but I’m not about to jump from the frying pan into the fire, and the latter is all you’re offering.

Contempt must enhance the scapegoating therapeutic.

But it looks like boosters (#165) eliciting arguments to reject are still required:

I’m more than willing to buck the establishment and doubt the bureaucrats, and cast shade at Big Pharma, etc. but I’m not about to jump from the frying pan into the fire, and the latter is all you’re offering.

You’ve made The Jump. And there’s no ejection from the Pfrying pan. No one’s offering you anything but fruitless explanations of their choice thus far not to follow.

Isn’t that what makes you angry?

“Approval in October would have meant left wing protests against vaccination. You know it.”

You mean right-wing protests agains vaccination. Own it.

The vaccine pass thing would make sense in the abstract to me (or they’d have a better “common good” argument) IF it actually worked. But it doesn’t. And they don’t recognize precious infection either, so that doesn’t make sense, either.

Because of jurisdiction, masks in airplanes is the only place libs can force it on unwashed redstaters. That requirement is more about humiliation of dissenters than anything, which is why Brandon issued that order so quickly and keeps extending it and why the pushback against the airline CEO’s was so extreme without ever addressing the merits of the argument.

The answer is easy:

1. Steve is, with all due respect, a bit of an intellectual featherweight, does not matter how hard he tries to publish pretendedly high brow cultural articles. He simply is not articulate enough to lash out at EuroAms’ ethnic adversaries without sounding racist or “antisemitic”. And honestly I dont even know if there is a way to do it, because the words “racist” and “antisemite” have come to mean “bad for blacks” and “bad for the Jews” respectively.

2. Steve is like Trump, in the sense that he was never up to the task that some conservative Americans believe he should be up to. If Steve was Jewish instead of “legacy”, he probably would do more of this particular ethnic activism you want him to do, most possibly in Jews behalf. Alas he is not, and neither are legacy Americans calling the shots in DC anymore. BS walks and money talks. And guess who’s got the shekels and the network to buy the necessary DC and state politicos to get stuff done?

3. Steve is completely dependant on donations, and he intuits many of his big donors are either Jewish or have a big Crimestop reaction when fingers are pointed at Jews. Therefore he understands that in order to keep this flow of donations as wide and abundant as possible he must make some concessions, including being very careful with Jews. Now how could anyone do some serious pro-EuroAm activism without mentioning the greatests and best organised of EuroAms’ adversaries ie wihout touching the JQ?

4. He is a bit of a coward, and I think he has admitted as much himself if memory serves me, and also he has not the brains to make money with his content without having to regularly panhandle.

In an alternative timeline, would a Steve with FU money be a more explicitly pro-EuroAm activist? Honestly I am not so sure, but I bet he would be a bit snarkier towards the mostly not “wholesome” Jewish influence to the American political and cultural status quo. Including of course foreign policy.

Almost everyone I know has had covid. It’s like Johnny Rotten said, “ever get the feeling you’ve been ripped off?”

The Afghanistan policy of Biden and the Democrats led to a botched withdrawal. Their economic policy led to high inflation rates. Their crime policy led to higher levels of crime. Their energy policy led to higher consumer energy prices. Their immigration policy led to swarms of illegal immigrants crossing the border. Their Covid policy of blocking early treatment options and effective hospital treatments while putting all their eggs in the vaccine basket led to high hospitalization and death rates. We need to tie all these issues together and go to the voters and explain how the failure in all these areas is due to the incompetence and corruption of the parasitic elites that have taken over the country. They are using their positions to rip off the productive portion of the population.

There is a sense that things are getting worse for the U.S. and the country is on the decline, which is reflected in polling, so it is not too late to change course for this country at the ballot box. We don’t have much time left, though. The parasitic elites are busily importing new voters who will vote as they are told in exchange for welfare benefits.

So it’s pretty clear they’re just bribing Congress – there’s really no other way to wash it. And such a bargain too.

That’s one of the more remarkable aspects of American decline – how cheap it actually is to subvert American democracy. If I were China, I’d pull back on military production, and invest those funds into buying off Congress. They’ve clearly signaled they’re for sale, so the Chinese could achieve their geopolitical goals, avert war, and save trillions. What’s not to like?

Better nationalists please.

What can I say? You go into election battles with the billionaires you have, not the billionaires you dream of. So for the future, it’s not better nationalists you need, but better billionaires.

White identity politics is the question of our time, yet Steve assiduously avoids it. Why?

What do you want from him? If tomorrow Sailer sounds that clarion, you know what will happen? Sweet fuck all. It’s not as if millions of hitherto apprehensive whites would suddenly spring into action.

I’m not going to tell Sailer what to think or do, but I can say that I’m happier having him doing what he is doing – which is bridging the divide between white identitarians and white cuckservatives – than yet further reducing his influence and relevance by going full white right.

At least this way, some of those cucks, and even the odd libtard here and there, will actually think, hmm, I might not agree with everything I’m hearing, but boy, those pro-white types are correct that there sure is whole lot of anti-white bullshit out there; why should anyone have to live like this?

Where did I express any objection to anyone being trained in the proper use of firearms? My objection was specifically to the way that, in the image representing the video-in-question, firearms were being treated as toys. Isn’t that completely contrary to what is a basic principle of proper firearm training and usage: the proper solemnity and respect that such objects, as instruments capable of severe and ultimate harm, demand?

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1.) I agree that too much of an echo-chamber-like environment typically prevails in the comment threads here. The number of people who seem ready to actually consider and engage thoughtfully and substantively with a position or viewpoint that fundamentally and profoundly contradicts or challenges one they are commited-to would appear few. In fairness, this is pretty endemic to the human condition; hardly unique to this forum, or even particularly egregious here.

2.) Did you not find Anon[136]‘s characterization of me rather absurd? I suppose that for his sake, I can only hope that he did not actually conclude from my comment that I was “a genuine Michael Moore-style socialist”.

I’m schizoaffective, which might explain some of what I post.

Some of what you post is a bit weird, sure, but most of it is well-thought out and is clearly written by an intelligent and educated person. I’d like to take this opportunity to say thanks 🙂

he has not the brains to make money with his content without having to regularly panhandle.

Who is able to make money from expressing the kind of crimethink that you are talking about, “without having to regularly panhandle”? How many such individuals can you name?

Wallace is loyal to his tribe.

If Wallace has a “tribe”, it would be his socio-economic and political class. And that includes plenty who are not Jews, while excluding plenty who are.

Viewing the world through a cartoon-level simplistic “Jews vs. Goyim” lens is silly. Silly citizens make for a silly country.

If you actually are interested Alex Berenson on Substack presents information in a way that non technical readers like yourself will be able to understand. You could also look at the raw data from the UK and Israel yourself if you do happen to have that skillset.

However, I’m well aware the “I wanna see a citation for that” crowd are never interested in reality. If they were, they would have read the papers themselves already: you know, deadly pandemic and all.

I have the capacity to read medical papers and do statistical math. That puts me in a very small group worldwide (also why I got conned in the early months of Covid. They did a great job on the back end).

Quoting PolitiFact is just comical. If you don’t know who funds that you should not have an opinion on what the weather is.

“You’ve made The Jump. And there’s no ejection from the Pfrying pan. No one’s offering you anything but fruitless explanations of their choice thus far not to follow. Isn’t that what makes you angry?”

No, I’m far more peeved by how much nonsense one can pack into as few sentences as you just did. Whatever my chances of dying from COVID — and that goes for anyone I might infect, assuming they’re not anti-vaxx loons who are as vulnerable to dying from it as you choose to be — they’ve gone down by a factor of 10 or so. The same (give or take) goes for their odds of packing the ER’s and ICU’s at a time when other people need that for something far less preventable. That’s good enough for me.

The fact that you and your fellow truthers can’t even seem to wrap your head around that, but keep pretending that getting infected today means the same thing it did a year ago, or even more bizarrely, pretending that after that 10 fold reduction, and those 9bn “test-runs” and full bona fide FDA approval, we still ought to keep discussing is whatever corners they chose to cut or tradeoffs they made in giving the vaccines (or any other) the Emergency Use Authorization that preceded all that. (That 0.84 figure you cited is a year old as of last week.) But given what you have to work with, I guess scraping the bottom of the barrel, Sysiphus-style, is what you’re going to keep on doing.

Yeah, I suppose all that fruitless lunacy might make some people angry, but don’t flatter yourself by thinking I care all that much about you one way or another. I’ve long ago resigned myself to letting you and the likes of you continue to monopolize the COVID death toll from here on out, given the alacrity you’ve exhibited over the last couple of months for doing just that. As long as you stay out of the gyms and restaurants and public transportation, I’ll just have to do without the pleasure of your company. Oh, well. And if COVID continues to spit out weaker and weaker variants and dwindles away to nothing the way SARS-1 did, and MERS, and countless other once-novel viruses we no longer even remember, rest assured I’ll have no problem skipping the associated boosters, but I guess we’ll see. Any of the colds I’ve ever had that laid me out for more than a day or two surpass the visible cumulative damage of all the vaccines of any kind I’ve taken in the last year or two, at least so far, but I guess we’ll see about that, too.

But if you do decide to go full-Amish, do try and hold off starting any more puppy mills. There are already far too many of those.

The mRNA vaccines are a joke, and a very bad one. Getting worse by the month!

If you’re not willing to concede the marked tendency of Jews to view issues and situations through “is it good for the Jews?” lens, then you’re just not in the game. “Silliness” doesn’t even begin to capture such deliberate blindness.

Note: Americans and Europeans have been deliberately blinding themselves to Jewish influence for well over fifty years now. It’s worked out wonderfully, clearly.

I’m surprised they’ll still let you on the plane without proof of vaccination. Would think that a high enough percentage of fliers are NPCs that the airlines wouldn’t sweat it, but maybe there are more of us than I suspect.

Wife has made strides in her COVID skepticism, but she’s vacillating on meeting up with my family (admittedly a large crew with a very relaxed attitude to such things). Didn’t think I could hate the MSM more, this hysteria has made me take the words off Sam Hyde on journalists more and more seriously.

And when I say Hispanics want murderers killed, I am referring to a number of surveys I have read of in the past:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/24/mexico-death-penalty-texas-execution/4817247/

Surveys by polling firms and media outlets in Mexico over the past seven years show that support for the death penalty has increased to a point where a majority would like to see it reinstated. Recent polls found 70%-80% would like to see the death penalty imposed for crimes such as murder and kidnapping, a rate above the majority support for the death penalty in the USA.

I expect these polls are less cherry-picked than similar polls commissioned by abolitionist groups stateside.

You can hear the lisp as he typed this.

Go Utahville!

Latinos like strength in their politicians

The real bottom line is that Hispanics, like other voters, like obedience in their politicians. Since Democrats have become obedient primarily to black voters, who want free rein to engage in mayhem at will, from shoplifting on up to and including murder, Hispanics are balking, just like deplorables. This is especially critical to Hispanics, since so many of them tend to be lower-income and working class and have to live in areas blessed with large percentages of black residents. Giving blacks free passes for mayhem doesn’t play well with people who have to deal with it on a daily basis, and a lot of those people are workaday Hispanics.

Ivermectin cures more than worms. Many medications cure more than one disease. For instance Prozac. It was originally developed as a diet pill . By increasing supplies of serotonin in the brain. Turns out serotonin is a natural happiness supply to the brain. Thus the serotonin also causes decreased appetite. Similar to how cigarettes cause increased serotonin and a cheerful little lift to get one through the day and decreased appetite.

So now Prozac is a widely prescribed and effective anti depressant.

There’s plenty more examples of dual or much more than dual purpose medications. Prozac is the first one I thought of. Benadryl prevents hives bug bites skin allergies from getting really dangerous. For someone severely allergic to bee stings, a four ounce slug of Benadryl will keep them alive till they get to the ER. It also slows the system down enough to alleviate coughing and induce sleep.

Muscle relaxers aren’t prescribed as sleeping pills or pain pills. But they are very effective pain and sleeping pills.

There are plenty more meds that cure or alleviate many diseases. Ivermectin is one.

Ask Mr google or looking for an online pharmacology site. Or look in any pharmacology book. You’ll find lots of multi use medications.

And just to be clear, I was not being hyperbolic about the insistence among at least some people here that COVID mask restrictions are indeed the “greatest seizure of civil liberties ever visited on the American people” — even after being reminded about the IRS, forced military conscription, MK Ultra, Typhoid Mary, etc.

The no-one-ever-suffered-worse-than-we-did narcissism required for someone older than 14 to believe anything that crazy is not something that can be negated simply by appealing to the number of tats (which also scream “me, me me” in another kind of way) which people like that may be sporting.

Best of luck to you, J. R.

The family friction is unavoidable, unless they can be convinced by the statements of the creator of the PCR test who won a Nobel for doing so (“‘Anthony Fauci is a hack and he doesn’t know anything about anything”); or the creator of the mRNA technology, who opposes its use in these “vaccines” and has said so over and over again; or the many other experts who have come out against it and have been deplatformed and censored from social media. Kary Mullis, Robert Malone, Vladimir Zelenko, Luc Montagnier (another Nobel), many others. Follow the links.

But, it’s likely the inlaws won’t be convinced by any of this. They probably won’t even look.

However in time your 14-year-old will be grateful that you didn’t allow him to be used as an experimental subject in this horrible drug trial. That’s the most important thing, his life and his health. Perhaps the others will come round later on, meantime you are taking a hit for him; and yes, it looks like you’re not in for a joyride with the relatives.

Alaska will still be there when this is all resolved. Something to look forward to. So, Happy New Year!

Thank you!

Yes, lots of drugs treat more than one condition. Many of these treat conditions by acting on one thing (system, receptor, receptor family, cell type…) that is important to the conditions treated. SSRIs treat lots of things that seem to relate to low serotonin. Even here, things are a bit uncertain. Prozac starts inhibiting serotonin reuptake immediately. Probably with 45 minutes of taking the pill. So why do they take a month to start treating depression? Perhaps because low serotonin-as-neurotransmitter is not what needs to change to alleviate depression. It may be serotonin-as-neurohormone increasing causes new growth, either of connections or neurogenesis that alleviates depression. Paradoxical effects of SSRIs, when taking one causes serious suicidal ideation, happen much more quickly.

Interestingly, you bring up an anti-depressant. There is an antidepressant, fluvoxamine, that may help with covid. Scott Alexander (astral codex X, formerly slate star codex) discusses it in several places. He has a very interesting post, On taking “drugs” that have a small cost but an unlikely large positive effect. I recommend the article. He has another post on the surprising number of antiparasitics that turned out to be antidepressants. This is not it, but goes towards why that might be true.

Anyway, Prozac for depression and Prozac for weight loss are both mediated by serotonin reuptake inhibition. For ivermectin to help with coronavirus by the recognized mechanism (the equivalent of serotonin reuptake inhibition for Prozac) would be to bind and activate a cys loop containing pentameric (5 subunits) glutamate-gated ion channel.

Well, I do have to admit that I am less interested in this one pandemic than I am in vaccines generally.

On the vaccine causing ADE, VAED, or VAERD I am skeptical because the FDA is extremely biased toward ruling new medications unsafe.

To start with, antibody-dependent enhancement to a pathological extent is relatively rare in vivo. Some vaccines caused it, though. There was an inactivated measles vaccine and a respiratory syncytial virus vaccine for infants that was caught in phase III testing. Dengue can cause it. There’s a cat disease as well.

The thing about the dengue vaccine causing ADE is that wild dengue causes it too. This is not super surprising. Live vaccines cause immunity (or not) by the same mechanisms that “natural immunity” post-infection does.

The inactivated vaccines that caused ADE to a pathological extent did so because they did not cause cell-mediated immunity (CD8+ cytotoxic “killer” T cells) or possibly CD4+ of both helper and cytotoxic varieties. The antibodies were likely not the result of “affinity maturation,” which makes more strongly-binding antibodies that, ceteris paribus are more neutralizing and more numerous.