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Google Trends search interest three weeks after the 2016 presidential election Donald Trump won:

As lame duck, Barack Obama generated a small fraction of the interest the incoming president did. Trump’s opponent couldn’t hold a candle to him, either.

Three weeks after the 2020 presidential election he appears to have lost, then, we would expect to see interest in the lame duck president eclipsed by interest in the incoming president–if Trump didn’t have the gravitational pull of a large planet, that is:

It is quite plausible that Trump will drive the corporate news cycle for the duration of Joe Biden’s presidency. Unless he is banned from it, he will almost certainly continue to drive the social media news cycle. When the Republican electorate wants to see what their political leadership has to say about something, Trump will be the person they turn to. When CNN, MSNBC, the NYT, and the rest of corporate media see their ratings tank and subscriptions drop at the prospect of running cover for a mumbling, soporific Biden, they’ll find attacking Trump irresistible.

 
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  1. I’m a little skeptical. Biden hasn’t actually done anything yet. Once he’s sworn in he will have to start taking some actions, and those will drive the news cycle. Trump is a larger-than-life character and the media love covering him, but once he lacks power his statements will become much less interesting.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @botazefa
    @SFG


    Trump is a larger-than-life character and the media love covering him, but once he lacks power his statements will become much less interesting
     
    You may be right, but at this point I'd bet against you. It's hard to imagine Biden doing anything exciting during his Presidency if he doesn't start a war, or legalize marijuana, or die. Presidents do have power, but they don't always have celebrity.

    Celebrities have a lot of power if they are allowed a megaphone. Trump's brand is, in a nutshell, celebrity. He'll lose none of that when Biden takes over. He'll continue have access to quite a bit of power. He can easily be a thorn in Biden's side and influence the 'story.'

    Replies: @dfordoom

  2. Trump could actually be almost as big a thorn in their sides out of office as in. Because he understands the media and how to use it he could do anything, including create his own TV network or just go barnstorming around the country holding rallies. People will show up. One good thing that occurred to me is that Trump really likes being President; otherwise he wouldn’t fight the obvious fraud so vigorously. He’s no Lyndon Johnson or even Bush 1, neither of whom seemed to have the belly for the fight.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Bragadocious


    Trump could actually be almost as big a thorn in their sides out of office as in. Because he understands the media and how to use it he could do anything, including create his own TV network
     
    Sure, if he's happy to flush hundreds of millions of dollars down the toilet. Where would his network's advertising revenue come from? Would any advertiser take the risk of advertising on Trump TV?

    If he retires quietly he might have a chance of being left alone. If he tries to set himself up as a kind of president-in-exile he'll be crushed - constant harassment with law suits, IRS audits, banning from social media. Anyone seen to be actively supporting him will get the same treatment.

    My prediction is that he'll spend the next few years playing golf.

    He's too old to make a comeback in 2024 and he doesn't have the personality to spend years in the political wilderness patiently planning a return to power. And if he ran again in 2024 he would probably lose again.

    The idea that Trump will be an effective leader of a resistance movement looks to me like more MAGA cope. Just more wishful thinking.

    Replies: @Bragadocious

    , @Alexander Turok
    @Bragadocious

    Bragadocious is the kind of person who thinks the difference between talking and fighting is that fighting is talking LOUD.

    Replies: @Bragadocious

  3. ANON[325] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that right now there is an uneasy holding pattern on the part of the three interests – Trumps crew, Bidens crew and the career Feds, each with their own tactics and ambitions. Biden would like to begin his admin unhindered, Trump would like to retain power, and the career Feds have duties to carry out investigations that neither camp wants to continue.

    Until the actual transfer of power is concluded, the next steps are unlikely to come off station simply because the career Feds don’t want any indictments, information or legal process that could fall under the date range of Trumps’ legit pardon power. Any effort to blanket pardon those with no indictments or convictions at the time of the issuance will likely run headlong into the 14th amendment, since it seeks to expand Executive jurisdiction beyond the life of the administration exclusively to favored individuals.

    I doubt that Trump or Biden can control this narrative because Hunter will almost certainly be the target of future involvement, but Guiliani or his contacts could also well be included in such an investigation, at this point, if Lev Parnas is legit.

    The central pillar of the voter fraud allegations sustaining electoral litigation is Giuliani. The least explored / discussed facet of Giuliani’s activities – related to Hunter – were the Lev Parnas origin claims that almost immediately preceded mass media coverage of the matter being curiously dropped in its near entirety.

    If Parnas is accurate and truthful, it opens a whole new venue which would provide a tremendous incentive to those directly involved to, say, make desperate hail mary attempts to strip Platinum plan refusenik’s of their votes in swing states, by promising Trump the equivalent of Busse and Wenck conducting upcoming massive encirclement operations, long after they are consigned to hiding under tree cover from air attack.

    Giuliani is much more Johnny English than James Bond with his butt dialing fiascos, so his opsec is likely dubious, and it is a trivial issue to determine if Hunter was actually in Delaware running household errands during the time in question.

    If Parnas can substantiate his claims, or has already cut a deal in advance of the inauguration there is an entirely new facet coming out, and the two interviews that I have seen with Giuliani addressing this matter did not inspire a lot of confidence. If Parnas has the goods, this will drive the news cycle once the career Feds hit the milemarkers they are likely waiting for.

    Anyone who has ever conducted a LE interview perks up when you hear answers along the lines of Giuliani’s – something to the effect of ‘I dont recall anything like that’. This sounds like a public relations denial, but in fact it functions as carefully worded non-committal.

    I personally don’t see anything produced so far that offers confidence of mass voter cheating –
    the election night counting shutdowns were clearly due to the fact that everyone knew for a year in advance that in a close election the mail in counting would go on for days, and the claims of odd return volumes are a side effect of the only mass mail-in balloting in a Federal election. In any case, the time to effectively litigate or to set up an online database to allow the mail-in voters to access a fail-safe check on their own vote was in the year prior to the election, not immediately after a close loss.

    The story that we expect may not be the story that manifests in the near future.
    The fates hold cards that they do not want to show.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @ANON

    Mixed metaphor alert!


    If Parnas is accurate and truthful, it opens a whole new venue which would provide a tremendous incentive to those directly involved to, say, make desperate hail mary attempts to strip Platinum plan refusenik’s of their votes in swing states, by promising Trump the equivalent of Busse and Wenck conducting upcoming massive encirclement operations, long after they are consigned to hiding under tree cover from air attack.
     
  4. As I might have mentioned before, this was a single-issue election, and that issue was Trump. Some voters were for, some were against. No one gave Biden a second thought. He was a mere bystander.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Almost Missouri

    For some reason that's a hard concept for many Trump fans to grasp. So many of them thought that no one going to Biden rallies or not seeing Biden signs meant something. Most recently a Trump supporter I know made a big deal about no one watching Biden's Thanksgiving address. He thinks that proves that he couldn't have won the election. I told him nobody voted for Biden but millions voted against Trump.

    , @Realist
    @Almost Missouri


    No one gave Biden a second thought. He was a mere bystander.
     
    Once again demonstrating the stupidity of most Americans.
  5. @Almost Missouri
    As I might have mentioned before, this was a single-issue election, and that issue was Trump. Some voters were for, some were against. No one gave Biden a second thought. He was a mere bystander.

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Realist

    For some reason that’s a hard concept for many Trump fans to grasp. So many of them thought that no one going to Biden rallies or not seeing Biden signs meant something. Most recently a Trump supporter I know made a big deal about no one watching Biden’s Thanksgiving address. He thinks that proves that he couldn’t have won the election. I told him nobody voted for Biden but millions voted against Trump.

  6. Any problem faced by the Biden Administration will be deemed to be the “legacy of Trump.” Meanwhile, Donald Trump will have his hands full defending federal and state criminal charges and civil liability suits.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Diversity Heretic


    Donald Trump will have his hands full defending federal and state criminal charges
     
    Ain't gonna happen. Democrat prosecutors don't want to give Trump a megaphone, which is what prosecutions would bring. Cameras on Trump is exactly what Democrats voted to end when they voted for Biden.

    Civil suits will be quietly settled out of court and wrapped in non-disclosure agreements.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Diversity Heretic

    Trump won't spend any more time dealing with the potential lawsuits against him as he dealt with the actual functioning of the executive branch he sits atop of. His lawyers will deal with all of that. He won't be interested in the details--he never is.

  7. That says a lot about those who voted against Trump. Trump’s style and his rhetorical “own goals” made me cringe much of the time, but this is 2020, and there are issues far more important than Trump’s personality: the future of health care finance: the 2020 Census and the legislative re-apportionment that follows; Federal judges; Supreme Court Justices; foreign- and defense-policy priorities, among others. And last but not least, the prospect of permanent leftist occupation of our nation through the Federal courts and the bureaucracy. ‘Bye Orange Man Bad, hello Dotty Man Worse.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @36 ulster

    Healthcare can be handled without getting gov't more involved in the day to day activities by simply removing the cartel mechanism that the laws currently provide. The real problem in healthcare is the cost.

    Totally eliminate all laws that in any way pertain to drugs. Make all drugs from heroin to aspirin over the counter and completely ignore them without any legal mention. Drugs are neither legal or illegal, just like cabbages. Getting rid of the concept of a prescription will severely decrease the MD's revenue stream that currently requires people to line up for that permission slip at a cost and waste of time.

    Allow any adult to purchase any drug. This also dismantles the entire phony drug war that's been a resounding failure for decades. It gets rid of the drug warriors and their financial drag on the economy for creating the conditions that make banned drugs expensive and a target of opportunity for the violent scum in the current illicit drug trade. Once pot, meth, heroin, cocaine are over the counter, the prices will drop, and the drug gangs will seek other avenues for revenue meaning less violence. Alcohol prohibition failed and it should be high time to admit that drug prohibition is just as stupid.

    Allow pharmacists and nurses to see patients. They can then refer more serious case up the medical hierarchy. Try the lower cost alternative first and then the higher cost option if that doesn't work.

    Get rid of all health maintenance insurance. Allow insurance only for catastrophic care such as cancer, heart disease, etc. Once there is no 3rd party payer for trivial issues, doctors have to charge what the average person can afford as there is no other alternative. Once people have to pay out of pocket, they will self sensor their desires for only the more serious ailments. This should eliminate much of the crowded waiting rooms and the delay in seeing a doctor due to nuisance demand because they already paid their insurance premium and feel that they are owed the visit.

    Kill off the medical cartel and the free market will take care of the rest.

    , @Pericles
    @36 ulster

    Don't forget Migrant Mania, like naturalizing whoever happens to be around.

    The long term issue is of course demographics; Joe and Kamala won't be helpful on that point.

  8. Trump will make a lot of news as several DAs issue arrest warrants and seek extradition from Florida, so a Trump better play nice with De Santa’s if he doesn’t want to be Epsteined in NYC or someplace.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @The Alarmist

    I hate my spellcheck.

  9. @The Alarmist
    Trump will make a lot of news as several DAs issue arrest warrants and seek extradition from Florida, so a Trump better play nice with De Santa’s if he doesn’t want to be Epsteined in NYC or someplace.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    I hate my spellcheck.

  10. @Almost Missouri
    As I might have mentioned before, this was a single-issue election, and that issue was Trump. Some voters were for, some were against. No one gave Biden a second thought. He was a mere bystander.

    Replies: @Jay Fink, @Realist

    No one gave Biden a second thought. He was a mere bystander.

    Once again demonstrating the stupidity of most Americans.

  11. Trump will continue to get a lot of media attention, but it will be of the kind he does not like.

  12. this is almost a worst case scenario. useless, dead end Trump sucking up all the attention and enthusiasm and energy of the people who don’t want the country to end, while the leftists are making it end.

    by far the best thing is if Trump and company go away. we’ll actually probably have to fight to get rid of these people now. the grift of the totally ineffective Trump family is on.

    screw this guy. never let him forget that he drove his limo thru the Stop The Steal rally in DC to go golfing, then he let them get punched and stabbed that night.

    hey Trump voters, tired of that text spam for donation money yet?

    America First needs to get rid of Trump first. this guy is a one way street. you help him, but he doesn’t help you. Kim Kardashian got more out of Trump than you.

  13. @SFG
    I'm a little skeptical. Biden hasn't actually done anything yet. Once he's sworn in he will have to start taking some actions, and those will drive the news cycle. Trump is a larger-than-life character and the media love covering him, but once he lacks power his statements will become much less interesting.

    Replies: @botazefa

    Trump is a larger-than-life character and the media love covering him, but once he lacks power his statements will become much less interesting

    You may be right, but at this point I’d bet against you. It’s hard to imagine Biden doing anything exciting during his Presidency if he doesn’t start a war, or legalize marijuana, or die. Presidents do have power, but they don’t always have celebrity.

    Celebrities have a lot of power if they are allowed a megaphone. Trump’s brand is, in a nutshell, celebrity. He’ll lose none of that when Biden takes over. He’ll continue have access to quite a bit of power. He can easily be a thorn in Biden’s side and influence the ‘story.’

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @botazefa


    It’s hard to imagine Biden doing anything exciting during his Presidency if he doesn’t start a war
     
    I think you can absolutely count on Biden starting wars.
  14. @Diversity Heretic
    Any problem faced by the Biden Administration will be deemed to be the "legacy of Trump." Meanwhile, Donald Trump will have his hands full defending federal and state criminal charges and civil liability suits.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Audacious Epigone

    Donald Trump will have his hands full defending federal and state criminal charges

    Ain’t gonna happen. Democrat prosecutors don’t want to give Trump a megaphone, which is what prosecutions would bring. Cameras on Trump is exactly what Democrats voted to end when they voted for Biden.

    Civil suits will be quietly settled out of court and wrapped in non-disclosure agreements.

  15. @36 ulster
    That says a lot about those who voted against Trump. Trump's style and his rhetorical "own goals" made me cringe much of the time, but this is 2020, and there are issues far more important than Trump's personality: the future of health care finance: the 2020 Census and the legislative re-apportionment that follows; Federal judges; Supreme Court Justices; foreign- and defense-policy priorities, among others. And last but not least, the prospect of permanent leftist occupation of our nation through the Federal courts and the bureaucracy. 'Bye Orange Man Bad, hello Dotty Man Worse.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Pericles

    Healthcare can be handled without getting gov’t more involved in the day to day activities by simply removing the cartel mechanism that the laws currently provide. The real problem in healthcare is the cost.

    Totally eliminate all laws that in any way pertain to drugs. Make all drugs from heroin to aspirin over the counter and completely ignore them without any legal mention. Drugs are neither legal or illegal, just like cabbages. Getting rid of the concept of a prescription will severely decrease the MD’s revenue stream that currently requires people to line up for that permission slip at a cost and waste of time.

    Allow any adult to purchase any drug. This also dismantles the entire phony drug war that’s been a resounding failure for decades. It gets rid of the drug warriors and their financial drag on the economy for creating the conditions that make banned drugs expensive and a target of opportunity for the violent scum in the current illicit drug trade. Once pot, meth, heroin, cocaine are over the counter, the prices will drop, and the drug gangs will seek other avenues for revenue meaning less violence. Alcohol prohibition failed and it should be high time to admit that drug prohibition is just as stupid.

    Allow pharmacists and nurses to see patients. They can then refer more serious case up the medical hierarchy. Try the lower cost alternative first and then the higher cost option if that doesn’t work.

    Get rid of all health maintenance insurance. Allow insurance only for catastrophic care such as cancer, heart disease, etc. Once there is no 3rd party payer for trivial issues, doctors have to charge what the average person can afford as there is no other alternative. Once people have to pay out of pocket, they will self sensor their desires for only the more serious ailments. This should eliminate much of the crowded waiting rooms and the delay in seeing a doctor due to nuisance demand because they already paid their insurance premium and feel that they are owed the visit.

    Kill off the medical cartel and the free market will take care of the rest.

  16. @36 ulster
    That says a lot about those who voted against Trump. Trump's style and his rhetorical "own goals" made me cringe much of the time, but this is 2020, and there are issues far more important than Trump's personality: the future of health care finance: the 2020 Census and the legislative re-apportionment that follows; Federal judges; Supreme Court Justices; foreign- and defense-policy priorities, among others. And last but not least, the prospect of permanent leftist occupation of our nation through the Federal courts and the bureaucracy. 'Bye Orange Man Bad, hello Dotty Man Worse.

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Pericles

    Don’t forget Migrant Mania, like naturalizing whoever happens to be around.

    The long term issue is of course demographics; Joe and Kamala won’t be helpful on that point.

  17. @Bragadocious
    Trump could actually be almost as big a thorn in their sides out of office as in. Because he understands the media and how to use it he could do anything, including create his own TV network or just go barnstorming around the country holding rallies. People will show up. One good thing that occurred to me is that Trump really likes being President; otherwise he wouldn't fight the obvious fraud so vigorously. He's no Lyndon Johnson or even Bush 1, neither of whom seemed to have the belly for the fight.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Alexander Turok

    Trump could actually be almost as big a thorn in their sides out of office as in. Because he understands the media and how to use it he could do anything, including create his own TV network

    Sure, if he’s happy to flush hundreds of millions of dollars down the toilet. Where would his network’s advertising revenue come from? Would any advertiser take the risk of advertising on Trump TV?

    If he retires quietly he might have a chance of being left alone. If he tries to set himself up as a kind of president-in-exile he’ll be crushed – constant harassment with law suits, IRS audits, banning from social media. Anyone seen to be actively supporting him will get the same treatment.

    My prediction is that he’ll spend the next few years playing golf.

    He’s too old to make a comeback in 2024 and he doesn’t have the personality to spend years in the political wilderness patiently planning a return to power. And if he ran again in 2024 he would probably lose again.

    The idea that Trump will be an effective leader of a resistance movement looks to me like more MAGA cope. Just more wishful thinking.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @dfordoom

    I don't think you understand Trump. He lives to go to war with people. He's already being audited up to his eyeballs, so more audits would hardly faze him. No way Dorsey bans him from Twitter, not with the traffic he drives. And not with people like OJ "hey Twitter world" Simpson being welcomed with open arms to the platform. Under no circumstances do I see Trump puttering around a golf course and staying out of the limelight for his last decade or so. Whether that forms a "resistance movement" depends on your definition of such.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  18. @botazefa
    @SFG


    Trump is a larger-than-life character and the media love covering him, but once he lacks power his statements will become much less interesting
     
    You may be right, but at this point I'd bet against you. It's hard to imagine Biden doing anything exciting during his Presidency if he doesn't start a war, or legalize marijuana, or die. Presidents do have power, but they don't always have celebrity.

    Celebrities have a lot of power if they are allowed a megaphone. Trump's brand is, in a nutshell, celebrity. He'll lose none of that when Biden takes over. He'll continue have access to quite a bit of power. He can easily be a thorn in Biden's side and influence the 'story.'

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It’s hard to imagine Biden doing anything exciting during his Presidency if he doesn’t start a war

    I think you can absolutely count on Biden starting wars.

    • Agree: botazefa
  19. @Bragadocious
    Trump could actually be almost as big a thorn in their sides out of office as in. Because he understands the media and how to use it he could do anything, including create his own TV network or just go barnstorming around the country holding rallies. People will show up. One good thing that occurred to me is that Trump really likes being President; otherwise he wouldn't fight the obvious fraud so vigorously. He's no Lyndon Johnson or even Bush 1, neither of whom seemed to have the belly for the fight.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Alexander Turok

    Bragadocious is the kind of person who thinks the difference between talking and fighting is that fighting is talking LOUD.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @Alexander Turok

    Could be worse -- I could be a progressive nut Coronabro who goes on and on about muh deadly virus and incessantly flogs the existence of a blog no one will ever read.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  20. @Alexander Turok
    @Bragadocious

    Bragadocious is the kind of person who thinks the difference between talking and fighting is that fighting is talking LOUD.

    Replies: @Bragadocious

    Could be worse — I could be a progressive nut Coronabro who goes on and on about muh deadly virus and incessantly flogs the existence of a blog no one will ever read.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Bragadocious

    Progressives are those who are fans of the deep state. I'm the guy asking why Trump didn't purge the deep state instead of just whining about it on twitter. You only confuse them if you see politics solely in terms of who has faith in Dear Leader Trump. And I've been proposing giving people freedom from the lockdowns since May:

    https://alexanderturok.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/corona-my-liberty-restoration-plan/

  21. @dfordoom
    @Bragadocious


    Trump could actually be almost as big a thorn in their sides out of office as in. Because he understands the media and how to use it he could do anything, including create his own TV network
     
    Sure, if he's happy to flush hundreds of millions of dollars down the toilet. Where would his network's advertising revenue come from? Would any advertiser take the risk of advertising on Trump TV?

    If he retires quietly he might have a chance of being left alone. If he tries to set himself up as a kind of president-in-exile he'll be crushed - constant harassment with law suits, IRS audits, banning from social media. Anyone seen to be actively supporting him will get the same treatment.

    My prediction is that he'll spend the next few years playing golf.

    He's too old to make a comeback in 2024 and he doesn't have the personality to spend years in the political wilderness patiently planning a return to power. And if he ran again in 2024 he would probably lose again.

    The idea that Trump will be an effective leader of a resistance movement looks to me like more MAGA cope. Just more wishful thinking.

    Replies: @Bragadocious

    I don’t think you understand Trump. He lives to go to war with people. He’s already being audited up to his eyeballs, so more audits would hardly faze him. No way Dorsey bans him from Twitter, not with the traffic he drives. And not with people like OJ “hey Twitter world” Simpson being welcomed with open arms to the platform. Under no circumstances do I see Trump puttering around a golf course and staying out of the limelight for his last decade or so. Whether that forms a “resistance movement” depends on your definition of such.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Bragadocious


    I don’t think you understand Trump. He lives to go to war with people.
     
    Maybe. We'll see. I think he'll get bored very quickly, especially if his prospects of making a political comeback start to look hopeless. I'm not convinced that he has the ability to focus on a long-term objective if that objective seems like it's going to require patience, strategic thinking and hard work.

    Perhaps the bigger question is - would it actually be a good thing or a bad thing for Trump to continue to be the public face of right-wing populism? Would he do more harm to that cause by continuing to maintain a high public profile? If right-wing populism is to have a future it needs new leadership and Trump will simply be sucking up the oxygen that the new leadership would require.

    Of course the problem is that there's no viable alternative leader. But maybe a viable new leader can only emerge if Trump gets out of the way?

    Replies: @iffen

  22. @ANON
    I think that right now there is an uneasy holding pattern on the part of the three interests - Trumps crew, Bidens crew and the career Feds, each with their own tactics and ambitions. Biden would like to begin his admin unhindered, Trump would like to retain power, and the career Feds have duties to carry out investigations that neither camp wants to continue.

    Until the actual transfer of power is concluded, the next steps are unlikely to come off station simply because the career Feds don't want any indictments, information or legal process that could fall under the date range of Trumps' legit pardon power. Any effort to blanket pardon those with no indictments or convictions at the time of the issuance will likely run headlong into the 14th amendment, since it seeks to expand Executive jurisdiction beyond the life of the administration exclusively to favored individuals.

    I doubt that Trump or Biden can control this narrative because Hunter will almost certainly be the target of future involvement, but Guiliani or his contacts could also well be included in such an investigation, at this point, if Lev Parnas is legit.

    The central pillar of the voter fraud allegations sustaining electoral litigation is Giuliani. The least explored / discussed facet of Giuliani's activities - related to Hunter - were the Lev Parnas origin claims that almost immediately preceded mass media coverage of the matter being curiously dropped in its near entirety.

    If Parnas is accurate and truthful, it opens a whole new venue which would provide a tremendous incentive to those directly involved to, say, make desperate hail mary attempts to strip Platinum plan refusenik's of their votes in swing states, by promising Trump the equivalent of Busse and Wenck conducting upcoming massive encirclement operations, long after they are consigned to hiding under tree cover from air attack.

    Giuliani is much more Johnny English than James Bond with his butt dialing fiascos, so his opsec is likely dubious, and it is a trivial issue to determine if Hunter was actually in Delaware running household errands during the time in question.

    If Parnas can substantiate his claims, or has already cut a deal in advance of the inauguration there is an entirely new facet coming out, and the two interviews that I have seen with Giuliani addressing this matter did not inspire a lot of confidence. If Parnas has the goods, this will drive the news cycle once the career Feds hit the milemarkers they are likely waiting for.

    Anyone who has ever conducted a LE interview perks up when you hear answers along the lines of Giuliani's - something to the effect of 'I dont recall anything like that'. This sounds like a public relations denial, but in fact it functions as carefully worded non-committal.

    I personally don't see anything produced so far that offers confidence of mass voter cheating -
    the election night counting shutdowns were clearly due to the fact that everyone knew for a year in advance that in a close election the mail in counting would go on for days, and the claims of odd return volumes are a side effect of the only mass mail-in balloting in a Federal election. In any case, the time to effectively litigate or to set up an online database to allow the mail-in voters to access a fail-safe check on their own vote was in the year prior to the election, not immediately after a close loss.

    The story that we expect may not be the story that manifests in the near future.
    The fates hold cards that they do not want to show.

    Replies: @New Dealer

    Mixed metaphor alert!

    If Parnas is accurate and truthful, it opens a whole new venue which would provide a tremendous incentive to those directly involved to, say, make desperate hail mary attempts to strip Platinum plan refusenik’s of their votes in swing states, by promising Trump the equivalent of Busse and Wenck conducting upcoming massive encirclement operations, long after they are consigned to hiding under tree cover from air attack.

  23. @Bragadocious
    @dfordoom

    I don't think you understand Trump. He lives to go to war with people. He's already being audited up to his eyeballs, so more audits would hardly faze him. No way Dorsey bans him from Twitter, not with the traffic he drives. And not with people like OJ "hey Twitter world" Simpson being welcomed with open arms to the platform. Under no circumstances do I see Trump puttering around a golf course and staying out of the limelight for his last decade or so. Whether that forms a "resistance movement" depends on your definition of such.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I don’t think you understand Trump. He lives to go to war with people.

    Maybe. We’ll see. I think he’ll get bored very quickly, especially if his prospects of making a political comeback start to look hopeless. I’m not convinced that he has the ability to focus on a long-term objective if that objective seems like it’s going to require patience, strategic thinking and hard work.

    Perhaps the bigger question is – would it actually be a good thing or a bad thing for Trump to continue to be the public face of right-wing populism? Would he do more harm to that cause by continuing to maintain a high public profile? If right-wing populism is to have a future it needs new leadership and Trump will simply be sucking up the oxygen that the new leadership would require.

    Of course the problem is that there’s no viable alternative leader. But maybe a viable new leader can only emerge if Trump gets out of the way?

    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom

    But maybe a viable new leader can only emerge if Trump gets out of the way?

    The schoolmarm will not allow comments that entertain the idea that someone should help Trump get out of the way.

  24. @dfordoom
    @Bragadocious


    I don’t think you understand Trump. He lives to go to war with people.
     
    Maybe. We'll see. I think he'll get bored very quickly, especially if his prospects of making a political comeback start to look hopeless. I'm not convinced that he has the ability to focus on a long-term objective if that objective seems like it's going to require patience, strategic thinking and hard work.

    Perhaps the bigger question is - would it actually be a good thing or a bad thing for Trump to continue to be the public face of right-wing populism? Would he do more harm to that cause by continuing to maintain a high public profile? If right-wing populism is to have a future it needs new leadership and Trump will simply be sucking up the oxygen that the new leadership would require.

    Of course the problem is that there's no viable alternative leader. But maybe a viable new leader can only emerge if Trump gets out of the way?

    Replies: @iffen

    But maybe a viable new leader can only emerge if Trump gets out of the way?

    The schoolmarm will not allow comments that entertain the idea that someone should help Trump get out of the way.

  25. anon[362] • Disclaimer says:

    This week might be an interesting one, depending on what the Pennsylvania legislature does, and also what happens in Georgia. If memory serves there are Federal laws regarding the preservation of voting records for a time after every election, and it appears Dominion voting machines don’t do that.

    Especially if they are wiped by operators beginning tomorrow or Tuesday.

    Reliance on the main stream media for information is just like relying on Joe Biden for facts.

  26. @Bragadocious
    @Alexander Turok

    Could be worse -- I could be a progressive nut Coronabro who goes on and on about muh deadly virus and incessantly flogs the existence of a blog no one will ever read.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    Progressives are those who are fans of the deep state. I’m the guy asking why Trump didn’t purge the deep state instead of just whining about it on twitter. You only confuse them if you see politics solely in terms of who has faith in Dear Leader Trump. And I’ve been proposing giving people freedom from the lockdowns since May:

    https://alexanderturok.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/corona-my-liberty-restoration-plan/

  27. @Diversity Heretic
    Any problem faced by the Biden Administration will be deemed to be the "legacy of Trump." Meanwhile, Donald Trump will have his hands full defending federal and state criminal charges and civil liability suits.

    Replies: @botazefa, @Audacious Epigone

    Trump won’t spend any more time dealing with the potential lawsuits against him as he dealt with the actual functioning of the executive branch he sits atop of. His lawyers will deal with all of that. He won’t be interested in the details–he never is.

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