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The only reason there is a modest correlation between age and support for Donald Trump among men is because older generational cohorts are whiter than younger ones are. Once race is taken into account, the relationship vanishes among whites, is revealed to be weak among Hispanics and Asians, and acutely inverts among blacks and Jews. From an enormous ongoing Reuters-Ipsos that commenced a month into Trump’s presidency, his approval among men by age and race:

The stark generational contrast among blacks and Jews is remarkable. Black and Jewish men under 35 years old are twice as likely to support Trump as black and Jewish men over 65 are. Among Jewish men under 50, it’s a coin toss as to whether they’ll be pro- or anti-Trump. R-I doesn’t query about community type, but given that Jews are significantly more heavily concentrated in urban areas than white gentiles are, it’s conceivable that urban/suburban/rural Jewish men express greater support for Trump than urban/suburban/rural white gentile men do.

And as the subsequent graph reveals, there is a chasm separating the way young Jewish men and young Jewish women feel about the president. A similar gap exists among young white gentile men and women.

The conventional narrative about opposition to the right from younger people holds up better among women, with blacks the only ones to buck the trend (and from such a small base of support anyway):

My conjecture about to the primary force driving what is beginning to look like a paradigmatical shift in the relationship between age and political orientation among men: The increasing ideological and intellectual totalitarianism of the left. To be on the left increasingly means demanding you not say this, you not think that, you not question this, you not test that, you not consider this, you not challenge that. Doubly so if you are a man, doubly so if you are white, and quadruply so if you are a white man.

It is, in short, to repeat over and over and over again “This is NOT okay“. The life of a bitter vinegar-drinking scold is not one that appeals much to young men.

 
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  1. The increasing ideological and intellectual totalitarianism of the left.

    100% agree.

    Just look at the shift that has happened within the Left over the last few decades.

    We went from a point where a White male Left politician could have a defining moment by stating; “I feel your pain” to where any White male Left politician can only say; “As a privileged White male, I can never possibly relate to you or feelz your pain…”

    Peace.

  2. Keep in mind that many jews under the age of 30 are of mixed heritage, many are from secular jewish backgrounds and a secular White background. This means that while they may nominally identify with jewishness, their White identity also kicks in.

    It isn’t necessarily a jewish shift so much as a demographic shift within the jewish community. Orthodox jews like trump solely because he is basically an ATM for israel, giving it whatever it wants, not any other real reason. Certainly not out of sympathy for his white working class electorate and the issues that animate them and their concerns.

    Be careful so you don’t end up like Jared Taylor, someone who cucked hard for jews without getting anything real in return. It’s a white pathology in general.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Ultra-Orthodox Jews like Trump because he is the most socially conservative candidate. Their entire life is structured and decided by religion. They take it extremely seriously. I don't think normal people can possibly conceive of just how fundemental it is to every part of their lives.

    Do you think that a group composed of people who genuinely believe that if they stop praying then the sky will fall and the world will end, are ever going to be enamoured of a party that runs transexual candidates?
    , @Audacious Epigone
    It looks to me like a move in the direction of a future where the difference between white gentile and white Jew is comparable to the difference between a white Protestant and a white Catholic today. It's encouraging in my view.
  3. in 2012 the exit polls showed the white vote 18-29 split into genders as well.

    it showed that romney won among WW 18-29 to about 49-48 (whites seems to love votting for irrelevant third parties, huh?)

    unfortunately there was no data that I cant find showing the m/f differences in the 2016 elections. BUT I presume that trump lost among women, while gaining margins with men.

    while, to us, trump and romney are very different candidates, I think the differences arerelated to the differences in culture itself in those 4 years rather than trump. obviously women that are 26-29 in 2012 arent part of the 18-29 segment anymore. people around 30 remember the world before smartphones and social media. very important developments

  4. While it can’t explain everything, I wonder what part of the improvement in Jewish support is related to the growing share of Orthodox Jewry within their population?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    On this, I think, the UK is ahead of the US. By 2031 the Haredi will likely account for half of all UK Jewish births. That is a stunning transformation for a previously minute community. Yet it probably doesn't have big political effects already.

    Amusingly, the only Conservatives locally elected officials in half-hipster, half-Islamic parts of East London are Haredi, voted for by Haredi, one can only assume.

    I think it is pretty simple. Old Jews in the US are loyal to the Democrats as they were the party of all white ethnics back in the day. The last old American Jew I spoke with was shocked that I'd support Trump but admitted that he had reservations on Clinton. I then asked him who he did like and he said that nice, young Mayor from Atlanta called Andrew something.

    I Googled his reccomendation. It was 20 odd years out of date. He clearly did not think deeply about how the political situation might have changed since the 50s/60s...he was also perhaps the leading expert in a medical specialty...so one of the brightest and most accomplished people I've ever met. I also had a full 2 hours to chat and he seemed a well-balanced family man who had travelled.

    To a lot of old people, Republicans are the party of greed for the rich and stamping on the little guy, and they're uninterested in hearing more.

    When I brought up that diversity and community exist into tension, he had no idea how that might relate to current events. He eventually put in the box of people who don't have too much head and not enough heart as per the now extremely dated saying.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Orthodox comprise around 12% of American Jews, maybe around 20% of those under the age of 40? So that goes some of the way but can't explain all of it.
    , @dvorak
    Family formation (which is the meaning of life) has been tougher, riskier and less productive for White and Jewish men in Gen X through Z. Trumpian resentment resonates with us.

    Jewish boomer and silent gen men can't relate. Also, they probably have nostalgia for the Stalinist and Maoist movements that Jews led, during their respective formative years.

  5. What’s up with Asian women of age 65+? They support Trump at 7x the rate of black women of the same age and more than twice that of Jewish women in the same age cohort.

    My goodness, just looking at the 18-35 numbers, I think this lends further evidence that an attractive, telegenic populist Republican – one who combines much of the appeal of Trump with fewer negatives – would do very well indeed. Majority support among whites and a sizable minority approval, roughly a third of Hispanics and Asians as well as a fifth of blacks… Those are winning numbers (though I am highly skeptical that 20% approval rate among blacks will convert to 20% vote given the extremely monolithic voting patterns of blacks).

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    The small c Conservatism of supporting whomever is in power? This is a real thing and smart people who don't care for politics seem particularly prone to it.
    , @RadicalCenter
    There weren’t many Asian women at all in the USA, outside Hawaii and California, when those older Asian women were young and/or when they came to the USA.

    Older Asian women will have a larger percentage who came here by marrying American men, almost always white (European-American) men. Their viewpoints will be influenced by those husbands, who were not typically left wing and certainly not self-hating / ashamed to be white, during those generations.

    Also, would older Asian women have been less likely to attend college in the USA? That would mean they didn’t get brainwashed in college into resenting men, resenting whites, resenting America itself, looking for reasons to feel aggrieved, wanting everything for free, identifying with her tribe instead of with America and core American culture, etc.

    I’m married to a Filipina who recently became a US citizen and plans to cast her first vote for some non-Democrat in 2020. We know a number of Filipinos in the USA married to white American men and they are often somewhat conservative, patriotic and appreciative of America and our traditional people and culture, not in agreement with PC and resentment of whites, not wanting to allow massive Third a World immigration (especially Muslim, African,and mestizo “Latino”) that will continue to destroy the culture, way of life, social trust, cohesiveness, confidence, compassion, and economy that once made them dream of coming here.

    Not saying that Filipinas or Asian immigrants overall think this way.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    According to exit polling, Asians voted Republican as recently as 1996. Same people, older now?
  6. @Thulean Friend
    Keep in mind that many jews under the age of 30 are of mixed heritage, many are from secular jewish backgrounds and a secular White background. This means that while they may nominally identify with jewishness, their White identity also kicks in.

    It isn't necessarily a jewish shift so much as a demographic shift within the jewish community. Orthodox jews like trump solely because he is basically an ATM for israel, giving it whatever it wants, not any other real reason. Certainly not out of sympathy for his white working class electorate and the issues that animate them and their concerns.


    Be careful so you don't end up like Jared Taylor, someone who cucked hard for jews without getting anything real in return. It's a white pathology in general.

    Ultra-Orthodox Jews like Trump because he is the most socially conservative candidate. Their entire life is structured and decided by religion. They take it extremely seriously. I don’t think normal people can possibly conceive of just how fundemental it is to every part of their lives.

    Do you think that a group composed of people who genuinely believe that if they stop praying then the sky will fall and the world will end, are ever going to be enamoured of a party that runs transexual candidates?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Touche. And these are the people who will inherit the earth, for better or worse.
  7. @Anatoly Karlin
    While it can't explain everything, I wonder what part of the improvement in Jewish support is related to the growing share of Orthodox Jewry within their population?

    On this, I think, the UK is ahead of the US. By 2031 the Haredi will likely account for half of all UK Jewish births. That is a stunning transformation for a previously minute community. Yet it probably doesn’t have big political effects already.

    Amusingly, the only Conservatives locally elected officials in half-hipster, half-Islamic parts of East London are Haredi, voted for by Haredi, one can only assume.

    I think it is pretty simple. Old Jews in the US are loyal to the Democrats as they were the party of all white ethnics back in the day. The last old American Jew I spoke with was shocked that I’d support Trump but admitted that he had reservations on Clinton. I then asked him who he did like and he said that nice, young Mayor from Atlanta called Andrew something.

    I Googled his reccomendation. It was 20 odd years out of date. He clearly did not think deeply about how the political situation might have changed since the 50s/60s…he was also perhaps the leading expert in a medical specialty…so one of the brightest and most accomplished people I’ve ever met. I also had a full 2 hours to chat and he seemed a well-balanced family man who had travelled.

    To a lot of old people, Republicans are the party of greed for the rich and stamping on the little guy, and they’re uninterested in hearing more.

    When I brought up that diversity and community exist into tension, he had no idea how that might relate to current events. He eventually put in the box of people who don’t have too much head and not enough heart as per the now extremely dated saying.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    To a lot of old people, Republicans are the party of greed for the rich and stamping on the little guy, and they’re uninterested in hearing more.
     
    Well, I'd say that the country club Republicans do fit that description. It's not like they are fighting for wealth redistribution or anything.

    Of course, despite not being perfect, their policies will naturally be more beneficial to the white working class. Zoning, guns, taxes, policing, economy etc. are still much better, even under the country club economic policies.

    Trumpism is the future, as AE has repeatedly stated. But I see where old rich guys like that come from. They're also far from the diversity that we see.
  8. @Twinkie
    What's up with Asian women of age 65+? They support Trump at 7x the rate of black women of the same age and more than twice that of Jewish women in the same age cohort.

    My goodness, just looking at the 18-35 numbers, I think this lends further evidence that an attractive, telegenic populist Republican - one who combines much of the appeal of Trump with fewer negatives - would do very well indeed. Majority support among whites and a sizable minority approval, roughly a third of Hispanics and Asians as well as a fifth of blacks... Those are winning numbers (though I am highly skeptical that 20% approval rate among blacks will convert to 20% vote given the extremely monolithic voting patterns of blacks).

    The small c Conservatism of supporting whomever is in power? This is a real thing and smart people who don’t care for politics seem particularly prone to it.

  9. I don’t imagine that the results among millenials can be broken down further by education, class and urban/rural living but I imagine that one might find some very extreme effects.

    • Replies: @216
    I'd say that sex is the most important gap. To hear it from Millennial/Zed women, the GOP has an apparent tolerance of electing admitted rapists, and wants to outlaw abortion so women can be raped and unable to escape the consequences. Left-wing messaging is targeting primordial triggers in the brain.

    We can't even tie it down to Trump, similar gaps appear in the UK, and no one seriously thinks that Theresa May is a male chauvinist. IIRC, gaps in Southern Europe aren't as severe, while Northern Europe is more moderate than the highly polarized Anglo Five.
  10. 216 says:
    @Tyrion 2
    I don't imagine that the results among millenials can be broken down further by education, class and urban/rural living but I imagine that one might find some very extreme effects.

    I’d say that sex is the most important gap. To hear it from Millennial/Zed women, the GOP has an apparent tolerance of electing admitted rapists, and wants to outlaw abortion so women can be raped and unable to escape the consequences. Left-wing messaging is targeting primordial triggers in the brain.

    We can’t even tie it down to Trump, similar gaps appear in the UK, and no one seriously thinks that Theresa May is a male chauvinist. IIRC, gaps in Southern Europe aren’t as severe, while Northern Europe is more moderate than the highly polarized Anglo Five.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I don't think that Northern Europe is more moderate at all. I'd say they are more extreme. Sweden is the best example. Women seem to have gone beyond resentment and to full on hate against men there. At least hatred of Swedish men, which is bizarre, they seem to be the nicest, kind to women men in the world. It seems that feminist-type women don't like that.
  11. Men’s “machismo” is inversely correlated with women’s ultra-feminism. Does causation run one of the ways?

  12. @216
    I'd say that sex is the most important gap. To hear it from Millennial/Zed women, the GOP has an apparent tolerance of electing admitted rapists, and wants to outlaw abortion so women can be raped and unable to escape the consequences. Left-wing messaging is targeting primordial triggers in the brain.

    We can't even tie it down to Trump, similar gaps appear in the UK, and no one seriously thinks that Theresa May is a male chauvinist. IIRC, gaps in Southern Europe aren't as severe, while Northern Europe is more moderate than the highly polarized Anglo Five.

    I don’t think that Northern Europe is more moderate at all. I’d say they are more extreme. Sweden is the best example. Women seem to have gone beyond resentment and to full on hate against men there. At least hatred of Swedish men, which is bizarre, they seem to be the nicest, kind to women men in the world. It seems that feminist-type women don’t like that.

    • Replies: @iffen
    At least hatred of Swedish men, which is bizarre, they seem to be the nicest, kind to women men in the world.

    No good deed goes unpunished.
    , @216
    PeterSweden is certainly Beta Betasen, catfished by MI5 and ignored by our favorite Danish camgi...documentary producer.
    , @Sam Coulton
    I suggest you cite some references for those claims. Sweden has the highest native fertility rate in Europe behind Denmark and relations between Swedish men and women are more posiitve than other countries. Methinks you're pouring your own superstitions out in to the comment section not facts.
  13. @Tyrion 2
    I don't think that Northern Europe is more moderate at all. I'd say they are more extreme. Sweden is the best example. Women seem to have gone beyond resentment and to full on hate against men there. At least hatred of Swedish men, which is bizarre, they seem to be the nicest, kind to women men in the world. It seems that feminist-type women don't like that.

    At least hatred of Swedish men, which is bizarre, they seem to be the nicest, kind to women men in the world.

    No good deed goes unpunished.

  14. Doesn’t this show that we can vote our way out of this and all it depends upon is the definition of we?

  15. @Tyrion 2
    I don't think that Northern Europe is more moderate at all. I'd say they are more extreme. Sweden is the best example. Women seem to have gone beyond resentment and to full on hate against men there. At least hatred of Swedish men, which is bizarre, they seem to be the nicest, kind to women men in the world. It seems that feminist-type women don't like that.

    PeterSweden is certainly Beta Betasen, catfished by MI5 and ignored by our favorite Danish camgi…documentary producer.

  16. @Tyrion 2
    I don't think that Northern Europe is more moderate at all. I'd say they are more extreme. Sweden is the best example. Women seem to have gone beyond resentment and to full on hate against men there. At least hatred of Swedish men, which is bizarre, they seem to be the nicest, kind to women men in the world. It seems that feminist-type women don't like that.

    I suggest you cite some references for those claims. Sweden has the highest native fertility rate in Europe behind Denmark and relations between Swedish men and women are more posiitve than other countries. Methinks you’re pouring your own superstitions out in to the comment section not facts.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Which claim do you query?

    1. That feminism is strongest in Sweden?

    2. That Swedish men are the kindest to women?

    3. That Swedish feminists hate Swedish men?

    1 and 3 seem proven by the existence of the Swedish feminist party and its primary policy of importing as many (by Swedish standards extremely sexist) Middle Easterners as possible.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201802271062025804-sweden-feminism-open-borders/

    2. Is just my general observation having travelled a lot.
    , @216
    Until the recent legalization of fetal homicide, Ireland had the highest fertility rate in Europe.

    Iceland, the least Jante of all Scandinavian countries, had a higher fertility rate prior to the 2008 crash.

    To most Europeans, the U.S. is a violent land of Social Darwinism, but whites in the US outperform Euros on fertility.

    Gender tensions may be minimized in Scandinavian countries because there isn't the phenomenon of acrimonious divorces that are the product of the adversarial common law system.
  17. @Sam Coulton
    I suggest you cite some references for those claims. Sweden has the highest native fertility rate in Europe behind Denmark and relations between Swedish men and women are more posiitve than other countries. Methinks you're pouring your own superstitions out in to the comment section not facts.

    Which claim do you query?

    1. That feminism is strongest in Sweden?

    2. That Swedish men are the kindest to women?

    3. That Swedish feminists hate Swedish men?

    1 and 3 seem proven by the existence of the Swedish feminist party and its primary policy of importing as many (by Swedish standards extremely sexist) Middle Easterners as possible.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201802271062025804-sweden-feminism-open-borders/

    2. Is just my general observation having travelled a lot.

  18. The age effect is extremely pronounced among white Catholics. 18-34’s approve of Trump 59-38 whereas 65+ approve only 51-47. I don’t see any other religious group with that sort of effect among whites. (And this is not just a reflection of the fact that younger white self-described Catholics have lower church attendance: 65+ high attendance white Catholics have the same approval rate as 18-34 low attendance white Catholics.) This suggests that white Catholics will begin voting Republican at the rate that white Protestants do within maybe 20 years, for the first time in US history.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Mike P.
    I meant to say that this is not simply a reflection of the (possible) fact that 18-34 year olds who identify as Catholics are more likely to be high church attenders.
  19. 216 says:
    @Sam Coulton
    I suggest you cite some references for those claims. Sweden has the highest native fertility rate in Europe behind Denmark and relations between Swedish men and women are more posiitve than other countries. Methinks you're pouring your own superstitions out in to the comment section not facts.

    Until the recent legalization of fetal homicide, Ireland had the highest fertility rate in Europe.

    Iceland, the least Jante of all Scandinavian countries, had a higher fertility rate prior to the 2008 crash.

    To most Europeans, the U.S. is a violent land of Social Darwinism, but whites in the US outperform Euros on fertility.

    Gender tensions may be minimized in Scandinavian countries because there isn’t the phenomenon of acrimonious divorces that are the product of the adversarial common law system.

  20. @Twinkie
    What's up with Asian women of age 65+? They support Trump at 7x the rate of black women of the same age and more than twice that of Jewish women in the same age cohort.

    My goodness, just looking at the 18-35 numbers, I think this lends further evidence that an attractive, telegenic populist Republican - one who combines much of the appeal of Trump with fewer negatives - would do very well indeed. Majority support among whites and a sizable minority approval, roughly a third of Hispanics and Asians as well as a fifth of blacks... Those are winning numbers (though I am highly skeptical that 20% approval rate among blacks will convert to 20% vote given the extremely monolithic voting patterns of blacks).

    There weren’t many Asian women at all in the USA, outside Hawaii and California, when those older Asian women were young and/or when they came to the USA.

    Older Asian women will have a larger percentage who came here by marrying American men, almost always white (European-American) men. Their viewpoints will be influenced by those husbands, who were not typically left wing and certainly not self-hating / ashamed to be white, during those generations.

    Also, would older Asian women have been less likely to attend college in the USA? That would mean they didn’t get brainwashed in college into resenting men, resenting whites, resenting America itself, looking for reasons to feel aggrieved, wanting everything for free, identifying with her tribe instead of with America and core American culture, etc.

    I’m married to a Filipina who recently became a US citizen and plans to cast her first vote for some non-Democrat in 2020. We know a number of Filipinos in the USA married to white American men and they are often somewhat conservative, patriotic and appreciative of America and our traditional people and culture, not in agreement with PC and resentment of whites, not wanting to allow massive Third a World immigration (especially Muslim, African,and mestizo “Latino”) that will continue to destroy the culture, way of life, social trust, cohesiveness, confidence, compassion, and economy that once made them dream of coming here.

    Not saying that Filipinas or Asian immigrants overall think this way.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Michelle Malkin is Filipina, right?
    , @Anonymous
    blah blah blah...if you honor traditional western values so much, why are you married to a Filipina? Why do you associate with white men who have also married outside their race?

    It's always the most "conservative" white men who have the highest likelihood of marrying a brown woman. You love to point fingers at white women, colored people, and LGBTs but in reality YOU are doing the exact thing that is antithetical to your "values".

    This is why nobody mainstream takes your movement seriously.
  21. Not surprising at all. Even in Canada, Trump has big support among young white guys, probably more than old white guys.

    Women are just acting the way they think society expects them to act – they are followers, not leaders. As soon as they get married to a strong conservative husband they will fall in line. Some are destined to be lost for good of course – that is just another genetic failure and they will be culled from the gene pool.

    It’s up to white men to find a wife and settle down with her. Take charge of the situation. The expectation that women will reform themselves is misguided. No amount of anti-white hatred will cause Beckies to come around; serious white husbands, and childbirth, will.

  22. @Tyrion 2
    On this, I think, the UK is ahead of the US. By 2031 the Haredi will likely account for half of all UK Jewish births. That is a stunning transformation for a previously minute community. Yet it probably doesn't have big political effects already.

    Amusingly, the only Conservatives locally elected officials in half-hipster, half-Islamic parts of East London are Haredi, voted for by Haredi, one can only assume.

    I think it is pretty simple. Old Jews in the US are loyal to the Democrats as they were the party of all white ethnics back in the day. The last old American Jew I spoke with was shocked that I'd support Trump but admitted that he had reservations on Clinton. I then asked him who he did like and he said that nice, young Mayor from Atlanta called Andrew something.

    I Googled his reccomendation. It was 20 odd years out of date. He clearly did not think deeply about how the political situation might have changed since the 50s/60s...he was also perhaps the leading expert in a medical specialty...so one of the brightest and most accomplished people I've ever met. I also had a full 2 hours to chat and he seemed a well-balanced family man who had travelled.

    To a lot of old people, Republicans are the party of greed for the rich and stamping on the little guy, and they're uninterested in hearing more.

    When I brought up that diversity and community exist into tension, he had no idea how that might relate to current events. He eventually put in the box of people who don't have too much head and not enough heart as per the now extremely dated saying.

    To a lot of old people, Republicans are the party of greed for the rich and stamping on the little guy, and they’re uninterested in hearing more.

    Well, I’d say that the country club Republicans do fit that description. It’s not like they are fighting for wealth redistribution or anything.

    Of course, despite not being perfect, their policies will naturally be more beneficial to the white working class. Zoning, guns, taxes, policing, economy etc. are still much better, even under the country club economic policies.

    Trumpism is the future, as AE has repeatedly stated. But I see where old rich guys like that come from. They’re also far from the diversity that we see.

  23. Young women, (all races) think that Republicans are evil, scheming white men who want to take away their “right” to abortion, and force them into the kitchen. They’ve been brainwashed into thinking this.

    It’s ironic because women at this time are having (on average) less sex, and fewer abortions than at any point since Roe v. Wade. This is due to their feminism – fewer women are married or looking for serious relationships – the best way to have lots of sex.

    I don’t believe women were built for this amount of freedom. They can’t see things from the perspective of societal progress (real, economic and scientific progress, not “social justice progress”). No vision for the future. Women are made to deal with the children – an extremely important role, this is not belittling them. Not run a country and set its social norms.

    I have an example. I know an 18 year old woman in Toronto. She pathologically tries to have sex with as many men as possible. Every weekend she goes and has sex with another guy from Tinder, often an older man, aged 30+. She can’t see the future. When her eggs finally shrivel up, so will her face, and she will be dumped aside as men go for younger more attractive women.

    • Replies: @216

    This is due to their feminism – fewer women are married or looking for serious relationships –
     
    I'm not so sure here, there's been a torrent of femjournos over the years complaining about men ghosting them, when they presumed there would be a relationship. Women want relationships, but only with rich Woke Alphas, and polygamy is not yet socially tolerable. There's also the older trope of 30s-40s women saying "Where have the good men gone".

    There's also been new types of birth control developed, that are subsidized by various health systems. Distrust of relationships is also related to career/debt insecurity, a self-licking icecream cone.

    I have an example. I know an 18 year old woman in Toronto. She pathologically tries to have sex with as many men as possible. Every weekend she goes and has sex with another guy from Tinder, often an older man, aged 30+. She can’t see the future. When her eggs finally shrivel up, so will her face, and she will be dumped aside as men go for younger more attractive women.
     
    Corvinus/Rosie bait here.
  24. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Young women, (all races) think that Republicans are evil, scheming white men who want to take away their "right" to abortion, and force them into the kitchen. They've been brainwashed into thinking this.

    It's ironic because women at this time are having (on average) less sex, and fewer abortions than at any point since Roe v. Wade. This is due to their feminism - fewer women are married or looking for serious relationships - the best way to have lots of sex.

    I don't believe women were built for this amount of freedom. They can't see things from the perspective of societal progress (real, economic and scientific progress, not "social justice progress"). No vision for the future. Women are made to deal with the children - an extremely important role, this is not belittling them. Not run a country and set its social norms.

    I have an example. I know an 18 year old woman in Toronto. She pathologically tries to have sex with as many men as possible. Every weekend she goes and has sex with another guy from Tinder, often an older man, aged 30+. She can't see the future. When her eggs finally shrivel up, so will her face, and she will be dumped aside as men go for younger more attractive women.

    This is due to their feminism – fewer women are married or looking for serious relationships –

    I’m not so sure here, there’s been a torrent of femjournos over the years complaining about men ghosting them, when they presumed there would be a relationship. Women want relationships, but only with rich Woke Alphas, and polygamy is not yet socially tolerable. There’s also the older trope of 30s-40s women saying “Where have the good men gone”.

    There’s also been new types of birth control developed, that are subsidized by various health systems. Distrust of relationships is also related to career/debt insecurity, a self-licking icecream cone.

    I have an example. I know an 18 year old woman in Toronto. She pathologically tries to have sex with as many men as possible. Every weekend she goes and has sex with another guy from Tinder, often an older man, aged 30+. She can’t see the future. When her eggs finally shrivel up, so will her face, and she will be dumped aside as men go for younger more attractive women.

    Corvinus/Rosie bait here.

    • Replies: @216
    Another reason behind the female gender gap might be the increasing coarseness of society. As political correctness and multikult are squeezing public debate, we now have much harsher material being put out in real time on the Interwebz. Also, as we are well aware, multikult reduces social trust between and within groups.

    To the more cooperative female mindset, a lot of mach0-sounding politics from the Right comes of as unkind and lacking empathy. This is why I unironically support "Respect Wahmen" and have the unusual sympathy to the Neo-Victorian demands disguised as feminism.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Oh absolutely. I've said in previous comments that men have the duty to be role models and lead women. Women are followers.

    Many think that men want sluts (many do) , and many men (alphas) just pump and dump repeatedly. Meanwhile the rest get scraps.

    If every man stopped using tinder you would bet that women would smarten up. Feminism basically allows men to take advantage of open women. So yes, men are heavily at fault.

    It's our job to lead our women.
  25. 216 says:
    @216

    This is due to their feminism – fewer women are married or looking for serious relationships –
     
    I'm not so sure here, there's been a torrent of femjournos over the years complaining about men ghosting them, when they presumed there would be a relationship. Women want relationships, but only with rich Woke Alphas, and polygamy is not yet socially tolerable. There's also the older trope of 30s-40s women saying "Where have the good men gone".

    There's also been new types of birth control developed, that are subsidized by various health systems. Distrust of relationships is also related to career/debt insecurity, a self-licking icecream cone.

    I have an example. I know an 18 year old woman in Toronto. She pathologically tries to have sex with as many men as possible. Every weekend she goes and has sex with another guy from Tinder, often an older man, aged 30+. She can’t see the future. When her eggs finally shrivel up, so will her face, and she will be dumped aside as men go for younger more attractive women.
     
    Corvinus/Rosie bait here.

    Another reason behind the female gender gap might be the increasing coarseness of society. As political correctness and multikult are squeezing public debate, we now have much harsher material being put out in real time on the Interwebz. Also, as we are well aware, multikult reduces social trust between and within groups.

    To the more cooperative female mindset, a lot of mach0-sounding politics from the Right comes of as unkind and lacking empathy. This is why I unironically support “Respect Wahmen” and have the unusual sympathy to the Neo-Victorian demands disguised as feminism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "come across"?

    The far right IS unkind. It DOES lack empathy. Fascism inherently draws its supporters from psychopaths, who lack empathy, just as libertarianism is inherently attractive to autistic people, and all forms of leftism are attractive to schizophrenics.

    Don't worry about how you come across towards women. Just live consistently with your beliefs. If most women disagree then they disagree. Who cares.
  26. @216

    This is due to their feminism – fewer women are married or looking for serious relationships –
     
    I'm not so sure here, there's been a torrent of femjournos over the years complaining about men ghosting them, when they presumed there would be a relationship. Women want relationships, but only with rich Woke Alphas, and polygamy is not yet socially tolerable. There's also the older trope of 30s-40s women saying "Where have the good men gone".

    There's also been new types of birth control developed, that are subsidized by various health systems. Distrust of relationships is also related to career/debt insecurity, a self-licking icecream cone.

    I have an example. I know an 18 year old woman in Toronto. She pathologically tries to have sex with as many men as possible. Every weekend she goes and has sex with another guy from Tinder, often an older man, aged 30+. She can’t see the future. When her eggs finally shrivel up, so will her face, and she will be dumped aside as men go for younger more attractive women.
     
    Corvinus/Rosie bait here.

    Oh absolutely. I’ve said in previous comments that men have the duty to be role models and lead women. Women are followers.

    Many think that men want sluts (many do) , and many men (alphas) just pump and dump repeatedly. Meanwhile the rest get scraps.

    If every man stopped using tinder you would bet that women would smarten up. Feminism basically allows men to take advantage of open women. So yes, men are heavily at fault.

    It’s our job to lead our women.

    • Replies: @216
    https://twitter.com/triketora/status/1053251712138575872?lang=en

    The main effect of low-value men deleting Tinder would be to lower female expectations. Mostly these men aren't receiving much from the app, but women are receiving an ego-boost.

    It is rather hard to enforce restrictions on sexual behavior by alpha males. They either self-discipline, or perhaps face the inevitable wrath of incel.

    Male thirst is a larger problem than pump-and-dump.
  27. 216 says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Oh absolutely. I've said in previous comments that men have the duty to be role models and lead women. Women are followers.

    Many think that men want sluts (many do) , and many men (alphas) just pump and dump repeatedly. Meanwhile the rest get scraps.

    If every man stopped using tinder you would bet that women would smarten up. Feminism basically allows men to take advantage of open women. So yes, men are heavily at fault.

    It's our job to lead our women.

    The main effect of low-value men deleting Tinder would be to lower female expectations. Mostly these men aren’t receiving much from the app, but women are receiving an ego-boost.

    It is rather hard to enforce restrictions on sexual behavior by alpha males. They either self-discipline, or perhaps face the inevitable wrath of incel.

    Male thirst is a larger problem than pump-and-dump.

  28. @Thulean Friend
    Keep in mind that many jews under the age of 30 are of mixed heritage, many are from secular jewish backgrounds and a secular White background. This means that while they may nominally identify with jewishness, their White identity also kicks in.

    It isn't necessarily a jewish shift so much as a demographic shift within the jewish community. Orthodox jews like trump solely because he is basically an ATM for israel, giving it whatever it wants, not any other real reason. Certainly not out of sympathy for his white working class electorate and the issues that animate them and their concerns.


    Be careful so you don't end up like Jared Taylor, someone who cucked hard for jews without getting anything real in return. It's a white pathology in general.

    It looks to me like a move in the direction of a future where the difference between white gentile and white Jew is comparable to the difference between a white Protestant and a white Catholic today. It’s encouraging in my view.

    • Replies: @iffen
    a move in the direction of a future where the difference between white gentile and white Jew is comparable to the difference between a white Protestant and a white Catholic today.

    Wow!

    And they say time travel is not yet possible. Yet here y'all are, straight in from late 19th/ early 20th century Western Europe.

  29. @Anatoly Karlin
    While it can't explain everything, I wonder what part of the improvement in Jewish support is related to the growing share of Orthodox Jewry within their population?

    Orthodox comprise around 12% of American Jews, maybe around 20% of those under the age of 40? So that goes some of the way but can’t explain all of it.

  30. @Twinkie
    What's up with Asian women of age 65+? They support Trump at 7x the rate of black women of the same age and more than twice that of Jewish women in the same age cohort.

    My goodness, just looking at the 18-35 numbers, I think this lends further evidence that an attractive, telegenic populist Republican - one who combines much of the appeal of Trump with fewer negatives - would do very well indeed. Majority support among whites and a sizable minority approval, roughly a third of Hispanics and Asians as well as a fifth of blacks... Those are winning numbers (though I am highly skeptical that 20% approval rate among blacks will convert to 20% vote given the extremely monolithic voting patterns of blacks).

    According to exit polling, Asians voted Republican as recently as 1996. Same people, older now?

  31. @Tyrion 2
    Ultra-Orthodox Jews like Trump because he is the most socially conservative candidate. Their entire life is structured and decided by religion. They take it extremely seriously. I don't think normal people can possibly conceive of just how fundemental it is to every part of their lives.

    Do you think that a group composed of people who genuinely believe that if they stop praying then the sky will fall and the world will end, are ever going to be enamoured of a party that runs transexual candidates?

    Touche. And these are the people who will inherit the earth, for better or worse.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    They start from such a small base that it'll take ages for them to be felt as anything but a pretty weird and (potentially) obstreperous bunch. At least, outside of Israel.

    They are a useful example for me to explain demography is destiny to normies though.

    Other quite religious groups in Britain number in a lot more than the few 10,000...none that I can define as 100% British though...

  32. @RadicalCenter
    There weren’t many Asian women at all in the USA, outside Hawaii and California, when those older Asian women were young and/or when they came to the USA.

    Older Asian women will have a larger percentage who came here by marrying American men, almost always white (European-American) men. Their viewpoints will be influenced by those husbands, who were not typically left wing and certainly not self-hating / ashamed to be white, during those generations.

    Also, would older Asian women have been less likely to attend college in the USA? That would mean they didn’t get brainwashed in college into resenting men, resenting whites, resenting America itself, looking for reasons to feel aggrieved, wanting everything for free, identifying with her tribe instead of with America and core American culture, etc.

    I’m married to a Filipina who recently became a US citizen and plans to cast her first vote for some non-Democrat in 2020. We know a number of Filipinos in the USA married to white American men and they are often somewhat conservative, patriotic and appreciative of America and our traditional people and culture, not in agreement with PC and resentment of whites, not wanting to allow massive Third a World immigration (especially Muslim, African,and mestizo “Latino”) that will continue to destroy the culture, way of life, social trust, cohesiveness, confidence, compassion, and economy that once made them dream of coming here.

    Not saying that Filipinas or Asian immigrants overall think this way.

    Michelle Malkin is Filipina, right?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes.

    I've written it before, but maybe it was under another writer on unz's post: Filipinas and Filipinos are much more assimilable (at least in some kind of reasonably small numbers) than any others besides Western Europeans, IMO. As R.C. wrote, they really like Americans, and they are less rigid thinking than the northeastern Orientals, but still mostly pretty bright.

    Lots of Filipinas (meaning the girls) look very similar as viewed from the back, and that's a good thing! What I mean here is I can almost tell one from a view from the back from < 50 ft.

  33. @Mike P.
    The age effect is extremely pronounced among white Catholics. 18-34's approve of Trump 59-38 whereas 65+ approve only 51-47. I don't see any other religious group with that sort of effect among whites. (And this is not just a reflection of the fact that younger white self-described Catholics have lower church attendance: 65+ high attendance white Catholics have the same approval rate as 18-34 low attendance white Catholics.) This suggests that white Catholics will begin voting Republican at the rate that white Protestants do within maybe 20 years, for the first time in US history.

    I meant to say that this is not simply a reflection of the (possible) fact that 18-34 year olds who identify as Catholics are more likely to be high church attenders.

  34. @Audacious Epigone
    Michelle Malkin is Filipina, right?

    Yes.

    I’ve written it before, but maybe it was under another writer on unz’s post: Filipinas and Filipinos are much more assimilable (at least in some kind of reasonably small numbers) than any others besides Western Europeans, IMO. As R.C. wrote, they really like Americans, and they are less rigid thinking than the northeastern Orientals, but still mostly pretty bright.

    Lots of Filipinas (meaning the girls) look very similar as viewed from the back, and that’s a good thing! What I mean here is I can almost tell one from a view from the back from < 50 ft.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Nah, quit jerking off to a Filipina fantasy.

    Just wait until they come en masse like they do in Toronto/Vancouver, and you will see that they are in fact a 3rd world people (surprise).

    3rd world peoples are not compatible with us!

    They "share our values" until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.
    , @Anonymous

    As R.C. wrote, they really like Americans, and they are less rigid thinking than the northeastern Orientals, but still mostly pretty bright.
     
    The founder and CEO of Care.com is a Filipino woman (born in Philippines). She’s a Mount Holyoke & HBS (MBA) and HLS (JD) grad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Lirio_Marcelo
  35. a large part of the difference among jewish men is that younger jews are more likely to be orthodox,

  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes.

    I've written it before, but maybe it was under another writer on unz's post: Filipinas and Filipinos are much more assimilable (at least in some kind of reasonably small numbers) than any others besides Western Europeans, IMO. As R.C. wrote, they really like Americans, and they are less rigid thinking than the northeastern Orientals, but still mostly pretty bright.

    Lots of Filipinas (meaning the girls) look very similar as viewed from the back, and that's a good thing! What I mean here is I can almost tell one from a view from the back from < 50 ft.

    Nah, quit jerking off to a Filipina fantasy.

    Just wait until they come en masse like they do in Toronto/Vancouver, and you will see that they are in fact a 3rd world people (surprise).

    3rd world peoples are not compatible with us!

    They “share our values” until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    You should note that I said in reasonable numbers. Some people, even in very small numbers, may just not have the same mindset to be really compatible with Americans, but the Filipina/os do. I've known a number of them, men and women. Vancouver does not have a lot of Filipinos, as they don't have the kind of big money the Chinese do. I don't know about Toronto.

    Here is Peak Stupidity's take - Immigration invasion, assimilation, and refugees. It's all about the numbers.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...They “share our values” until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.'

    I think this is true in general. Here in the town I live in, there's a minute (2%?) black minority.

    They're perfectly well-behaved, as far as I can see, and if perceptibly black in their behavior, not obnoxiously so. In other words, they conform to white norms of behavior.

    ...not what happens when they get to be 30-40% of the population.

    And think about it. Suppose you moved to rural Morocco. Well, you'd probably take care to behave in a manner your neighbors thought fitting -- until you got enough of your compatriots to number a third of the population or so. Then you'd think a pub and maybe a strip club was called for. My wife, cover her hair? An outrage...

    I'd say this is human nature. 'Diversity' is fine -- just so long as the 'diverse' are few enough in number that they realize they'd best fit in.
  37. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Nah, quit jerking off to a Filipina fantasy.

    Just wait until they come en masse like they do in Toronto/Vancouver, and you will see that they are in fact a 3rd world people (surprise).

    3rd world peoples are not compatible with us!

    They "share our values" until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.

    You should note that I said in reasonable numbers. Some people, even in very small numbers, may just not have the same mindset to be really compatible with Americans, but the Filipina/os do. I’ve known a number of them, men and women. Vancouver does not have a lot of Filipinos, as they don’t have the kind of big money the Chinese do. I don’t know about Toronto.

    Here is Peak Stupidity’s take – Immigration invasion, assimilation, and refugees. It’s all about the numbers.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Some people, even in very small numbers, may just not have the same mindset to be really compatible with Americans

    Did you put this in just to curry favor with the Jew-haters?
  38. @Audacious Epigone
    Touche. And these are the people who will inherit the earth, for better or worse.

    They start from such a small base that it’ll take ages for them to be felt as anything but a pretty weird and (potentially) obstreperous bunch. At least, outside of Israel.

    They are a useful example for me to explain demography is destiny to normies though.

    Other quite religious groups in Britain number in a lot more than the few 10,000…none that I can define as 100% British though…

  39. @Audacious Epigone
    It looks to me like a move in the direction of a future where the difference between white gentile and white Jew is comparable to the difference between a white Protestant and a white Catholic today. It's encouraging in my view.

    a move in the direction of a future where the difference between white gentile and white Jew is comparable to the difference between a white Protestant and a white Catholic today.

    Wow!

    And they say time travel is not yet possible. Yet here y’all are, straight in from late 19th/ early 20th century Western Europe.

  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    You should note that I said in reasonable numbers. Some people, even in very small numbers, may just not have the same mindset to be really compatible with Americans, but the Filipina/os do. I've known a number of them, men and women. Vancouver does not have a lot of Filipinos, as they don't have the kind of big money the Chinese do. I don't know about Toronto.

    Here is Peak Stupidity's take - Immigration invasion, assimilation, and refugees. It's all about the numbers.

    Some people, even in very small numbers, may just not have the same mindset to be really compatible with Americans

    Did you put this in just to curry favor with the Jew-haters?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    This was about Filipinos. They just have a more relaxed attitude than the Chinese and Koreans (I don't know many Japanese people, period), yet still are known to work hard. There's a lot of affinity, and I'm not just talking about chicks, as our Franco Canadian wrote.
  41. @iffen
    Some people, even in very small numbers, may just not have the same mindset to be really compatible with Americans

    Did you put this in just to curry favor with the Jew-haters?

    This was about Filipinos. They just have a more relaxed attitude than the Chinese and Koreans (I don’t know many Japanese people, period), yet still are known to work hard. There’s a lot of affinity, and I’m not just talking about chicks, as our Franco Canadian wrote.

    • Replies: @iffen
    My bad, I read it to be about peoples who have mindsets that are incompatible with American mindsets.

    So, Filipinos are on the okay list, but not Chinese and Koreans?

  42. @Achmed E. Newman
    This was about Filipinos. They just have a more relaxed attitude than the Chinese and Koreans (I don't know many Japanese people, period), yet still are known to work hard. There's a lot of affinity, and I'm not just talking about chicks, as our Franco Canadian wrote.

    My bad, I read it to be about peoples who have mindsets that are incompatible with American mindsets.

    So, Filipinos are on the okay list, but not Chinese and Koreans?

    • Replies: @Issac
    I wouldn't argue his point, but Flips are part Iberian where the other SEAsians are not. Again, I don't think it is enough to matter, but the idea flips are not somewhat diffirented due to Spaniard colonial genes and religion is equally farcical.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I wouldn't go that far, as I have way more interactions these days with Chinese people, here, and in China itself. We are just very different, though.

    I really don't have any list, Iffen. It's kinda late now, but when you keep the numbers very small, even people who were formerly out-of-this-world weird to us can assimilate, at least by the 2nd generation. I know Chinese people from Taiwan (as that's where Chinese people came from in the '70's, + Hong Kong too) who could not be differentiated from Americans other than by face.

    At medium numbers, well, you end up with Dearbornistan, Miami, Southern Cal, various Chinatowns, and a few more places that nobody absolutely HAS TO visit or live in. If we didn't have continual chain migration and a wide-open southern border, oh and Socialism (causing white people to lose fertility due to supporting everyone else), we could have done OK with that set-up - say 1/4 to 1/2 a million newcomers total per year, many moving to their XXX-towns to start out. (Granted, at the small numbers, assimilation works better with just, say one Chinese family in town and another dot-Indian family, etc.)

    At the large immigration numbers that have been in place for 50 years now, it's too late to ever have the country Americans had in 1970 even.

    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    This is where you trip up people like Achmed. Rather than define this list, the easiest thing to do is to say NO EAST ASIANS. No flips , no chinks, no japs. NONE. easy.
  43. @iffen
    My bad, I read it to be about peoples who have mindsets that are incompatible with American mindsets.

    So, Filipinos are on the okay list, but not Chinese and Koreans?

    I wouldn’t argue his point, but Flips are part Iberian where the other SEAsians are not. Again, I don’t think it is enough to matter, but the idea flips are not somewhat diffirented due to Spaniard colonial genes and religion is equally farcical.

    • Replies: @iffen
    but Flips are part Iberian ... somewhat diffirented due to Spaniard colonial genes


    I guess we can quit worrying about whether the wall gets built since many of those mestizos have the right splash of blood.

  44. @iffen
    My bad, I read it to be about peoples who have mindsets that are incompatible with American mindsets.

    So, Filipinos are on the okay list, but not Chinese and Koreans?

    I wouldn’t go that far, as I have way more interactions these days with Chinese people, here, and in China itself. We are just very different, though.

    I really don’t have any list, Iffen. It’s kinda late now, but when you keep the numbers very small, even people who were formerly out-of-this-world weird to us can assimilate, at least by the 2nd generation. I know Chinese people from Taiwan (as that’s where Chinese people came from in the ’70’s, + Hong Kong too) who could not be differentiated from Americans other than by face.

    At medium numbers, well, you end up with Dearbornistan, Miami, Southern Cal, various Chinatowns, and a few more places that nobody absolutely HAS TO visit or live in. If we didn’t have continual chain migration and a wide-open southern border, oh and Socialism (causing white people to lose fertility due to supporting everyone else), we could have done OK with that set-up – say 1/4 to 1/2 a million newcomers total per year, many moving to their XXX-towns to start out. (Granted, at the small numbers, assimilation works better with just, say one Chinese family in town and another dot-Indian family, etc.)

    At the large immigration numbers that have been in place for 50 years now, it’s too late to ever have the country Americans had in 1970 even.

    • Replies: @iffen
    formerly out-of-this-world weird to us can assimilate, at least by the 2nd generation.

    I thought that there were numbers and such to show that its the 2nd and 3rd generations that are the problem children.

    I see that you are big on assimilation. Do you think that black Americans will ever fully assimilate?

  45. @Anatoly Karlin
    While it can't explain everything, I wonder what part of the improvement in Jewish support is related to the growing share of Orthodox Jewry within their population?

    Family formation (which is the meaning of life) has been tougher, riskier and less productive for White and Jewish men in Gen X through Z. Trumpian resentment resonates with us.

    Jewish boomer and silent gen men can’t relate. Also, they probably have nostalgia for the Stalinist and Maoist movements that Jews led, during their respective formative years.

  46. @Issac
    I wouldn't argue his point, but Flips are part Iberian where the other SEAsians are not. Again, I don't think it is enough to matter, but the idea flips are not somewhat diffirented due to Spaniard colonial genes and religion is equally farcical.

    but Flips are part Iberian … somewhat diffirented due to Spaniard colonial genes

    I guess we can quit worrying about whether the wall gets built since many of those mestizos have the right splash of blood.

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    I wouldn't go that far, as I have way more interactions these days with Chinese people, here, and in China itself. We are just very different, though.

    I really don't have any list, Iffen. It's kinda late now, but when you keep the numbers very small, even people who were formerly out-of-this-world weird to us can assimilate, at least by the 2nd generation. I know Chinese people from Taiwan (as that's where Chinese people came from in the '70's, + Hong Kong too) who could not be differentiated from Americans other than by face.

    At medium numbers, well, you end up with Dearbornistan, Miami, Southern Cal, various Chinatowns, and a few more places that nobody absolutely HAS TO visit or live in. If we didn't have continual chain migration and a wide-open southern border, oh and Socialism (causing white people to lose fertility due to supporting everyone else), we could have done OK with that set-up - say 1/4 to 1/2 a million newcomers total per year, many moving to their XXX-towns to start out. (Granted, at the small numbers, assimilation works better with just, say one Chinese family in town and another dot-Indian family, etc.)

    At the large immigration numbers that have been in place for 50 years now, it's too late to ever have the country Americans had in 1970 even.

    formerly out-of-this-world weird to us can assimilate, at least by the 2nd generation.

    I thought that there were numbers and such to show that its the 2nd and 3rd generations that are the problem children.

    I see that you are big on assimilation. Do you think that black Americans will ever fully assimilate?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    It doesn't work in large numbers!

    That's what my Peak Stupidity post was about, and that's what my previous comment was about. How many times should I write the same thing?

    I thought that there were numbers and such to show that its the 2nd and 3rd generations that are the problem children.
     
    Yes, because they are here in large numbers.

    Do you think that black Americans will ever fully assimilate?
     
    No. Black people, too, have been here in large numbers (least in the South) for 300 years.

    Do you get it?
  48. @iffen
    formerly out-of-this-world weird to us can assimilate, at least by the 2nd generation.

    I thought that there were numbers and such to show that its the 2nd and 3rd generations that are the problem children.

    I see that you are big on assimilation. Do you think that black Americans will ever fully assimilate?

    It doesn’t work in large numbers!

    That’s what my Peak Stupidity post was about, and that’s what my previous comment was about. How many times should I write the same thing?

    I thought that there were numbers and such to show that its the 2nd and 3rd generations that are the problem children.

    Yes, because they are here in large numbers.

    Do you think that black Americans will ever fully assimilate?

    No. Black people, too, have been here in large numbers (least in the South) for 300 years.

    Do you get it?

    • Replies: @iffen
    It doesn’t work in large numbers!

    It will if the numbers get big enough.

    Do you get it?

    Yes, I think so.

  49. @Achmed E. Newman
    It doesn't work in large numbers!

    That's what my Peak Stupidity post was about, and that's what my previous comment was about. How many times should I write the same thing?

    I thought that there were numbers and such to show that its the 2nd and 3rd generations that are the problem children.
     
    Yes, because they are here in large numbers.

    Do you think that black Americans will ever fully assimilate?
     
    No. Black people, too, have been here in large numbers (least in the South) for 300 years.

    Do you get it?

    It doesn’t work in large numbers!

    It will if the numbers get big enough.

    Do you get it?

    Yes, I think so.

  50. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Nah, quit jerking off to a Filipina fantasy.

    Just wait until they come en masse like they do in Toronto/Vancouver, and you will see that they are in fact a 3rd world people (surprise).

    3rd world peoples are not compatible with us!

    They "share our values" until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.

    ‘…They “share our values” until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.’

    I think this is true in general. Here in the town I live in, there’s a minute (2%?) black minority.

    They’re perfectly well-behaved, as far as I can see, and if perceptibly black in their behavior, not obnoxiously so. In other words, they conform to white norms of behavior.

    …not what happens when they get to be 30-40% of the population.

    And think about it. Suppose you moved to rural Morocco. Well, you’d probably take care to behave in a manner your neighbors thought fitting — until you got enough of your compatriots to number a third of the population or so. Then you’d think a pub and maybe a strip club was called for. My wife, cover her hair? An outrage…

    I’d say this is human nature. ‘Diversity’ is fine — just so long as the ‘diverse’ are few enough in number that they realize they’d best fit in.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
    The original "Siamese Twins" became owners of a significant plantation, and several of their descendants went on to serve in the Confederate Army.

    That historical tidbit aside, the risk is not so much that "immigrants aren't assimilating". If anything, they assimilate too well, fully imbibing the secular/liberal mindset of Western society. Recent immigrants tend to be the most devoted to the education cargo cult, which is why conservatives have historically praised them.

    The greater risk is that deracinated whites will assimilate into these cultures. This is why I don't mind SJW angst over "cultural appropriation". Our cultures are weak and decadent.

    The association of Islam with terrorism is what holds back a lot of potential Western converts, along with the circumcision requirement (as circumcision is more prevalent in the US, this wouldn' be as much an issue). There's also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.
    , @Corvinus
    "They’re perfectly well-behaved, as far as I can see, and if perceptibly black in their behavior, not obnoxiously so. In other words, they conform to white norms of behavior."

    You mean we conform to our society's norms of behavior. Of course, if we look at our nation's history, WASPs were generally outraged that Eastern and Southern Europeans be allowed to enter in large numbers because of their transforming disposition--cold, emotionless, shiftless, and having violent tendencies. It made little difference that they were white. It made all the difference that they were the bottom rung of the European racial ladder.

    "Diversity’ is fine — just so long as the ‘diverse’ are few enough in number that they realize they’d best fit in."

    Unfortunately, WASPs were unsuccessful to defend the homogeneity of the nation. The Italians, the Poles, the Slaves, and an assorted cast of characters ruined it. It is why we cannot have nice things.
  51. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes.

    I've written it before, but maybe it was under another writer on unz's post: Filipinas and Filipinos are much more assimilable (at least in some kind of reasonably small numbers) than any others besides Western Europeans, IMO. As R.C. wrote, they really like Americans, and they are less rigid thinking than the northeastern Orientals, but still mostly pretty bright.

    Lots of Filipinas (meaning the girls) look very similar as viewed from the back, and that's a good thing! What I mean here is I can almost tell one from a view from the back from < 50 ft.

    As R.C. wrote, they really like Americans, and they are less rigid thinking than the northeastern Orientals, but still mostly pretty bright.

    The founder and CEO of Care.com is a Filipino woman (born in Philippines). She’s a Mount Holyoke & HBS (MBA) and HLS (JD) grad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Lirio_Marcelo

  52. 216 says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...They “share our values” until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.'

    I think this is true in general. Here in the town I live in, there's a minute (2%?) black minority.

    They're perfectly well-behaved, as far as I can see, and if perceptibly black in their behavior, not obnoxiously so. In other words, they conform to white norms of behavior.

    ...not what happens when they get to be 30-40% of the population.

    And think about it. Suppose you moved to rural Morocco. Well, you'd probably take care to behave in a manner your neighbors thought fitting -- until you got enough of your compatriots to number a third of the population or so. Then you'd think a pub and maybe a strip club was called for. My wife, cover her hair? An outrage...

    I'd say this is human nature. 'Diversity' is fine -- just so long as the 'diverse' are few enough in number that they realize they'd best fit in.

    The original “Siamese Twins” became owners of a significant plantation, and several of their descendants went on to serve in the Confederate Army.

    That historical tidbit aside, the risk is not so much that “immigrants aren’t assimilating”. If anything, they assimilate too well, fully imbibing the secular/liberal mindset of Western society. Recent immigrants tend to be the most devoted to the education cargo cult, which is why conservatives have historically praised them.

    The greater risk is that deracinated whites will assimilate into these cultures. This is why I don’t mind SJW angst over “cultural appropriation”. Our cultures are weak and decadent.

    The association of Islam with terrorism is what holds back a lot of potential Western converts, along with the circumcision requirement (as circumcision is more prevalent in the US, this wouldn’ be as much an issue). There’s also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.

    • Replies: @Talha

    The association of Islam with terrorism is what holds back a lot of potential Western converts
     
    Agreed.

    along with the circumcision requirement
     
    Not a requirement for adult converts (especially if it will cause harm or a lot of pain), but is recommended (see details):
    http://www.daruliftaa.com/node/6123?txt_QuestionID

    There’s also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.
     
    Sufi-oriented scholars are working on it. Unfortunately, it's the crazy guys that grab all the headlines. Someone like Shaykh Yayha Rodhus is working on establishing these kinds of projects:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS36RKM99mE

    Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad, also gives great lectures about navigating (post)modernity with Islam as alternative:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kDbqABvEN0

    Peace.

    Probably one of the best lectures on the subject (long, but great):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Ien1qo_qI
    , @Audacious Epigone
    There’s also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.

    Agree. It's something I've expected to see happening but up to this point still doesn't seem to be the case. The alt right 'white sharia' thing was a bad joke--but sentimentally, it wasn't entirely a joke. There are a lot of frustrated young men trying out things like orthodox Christianity and traditional Catholicism. When are they going to start being picked up by a fully fleshed out value system that actually wants to grow?

    Imagine what a headline of "Increasing number of white nationalists converting to Islam" would do to the leftist hivemind in West!

  53. @216
    The original "Siamese Twins" became owners of a significant plantation, and several of their descendants went on to serve in the Confederate Army.

    That historical tidbit aside, the risk is not so much that "immigrants aren't assimilating". If anything, they assimilate too well, fully imbibing the secular/liberal mindset of Western society. Recent immigrants tend to be the most devoted to the education cargo cult, which is why conservatives have historically praised them.

    The greater risk is that deracinated whites will assimilate into these cultures. This is why I don't mind SJW angst over "cultural appropriation". Our cultures are weak and decadent.

    The association of Islam with terrorism is what holds back a lot of potential Western converts, along with the circumcision requirement (as circumcision is more prevalent in the US, this wouldn' be as much an issue). There's also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.

    The association of Islam with terrorism is what holds back a lot of potential Western converts

    Agreed.

    along with the circumcision requirement

    Not a requirement for adult converts (especially if it will cause harm or a lot of pain), but is recommended (see details):
    http://www.daruliftaa.com/node/6123?txt_QuestionID

    There’s also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.

    Sufi-oriented scholars are working on it. Unfortunately, it’s the crazy guys that grab all the headlines. Someone like Shaykh Yayha Rodhus is working on establishing these kinds of projects:

    Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad, also gives great lectures about navigating (post)modernity with Islam as alternative:

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    Probably one of the best lectures on the subject (long, but great):

  54. @216
    The original "Siamese Twins" became owners of a significant plantation, and several of their descendants went on to serve in the Confederate Army.

    That historical tidbit aside, the risk is not so much that "immigrants aren't assimilating". If anything, they assimilate too well, fully imbibing the secular/liberal mindset of Western society. Recent immigrants tend to be the most devoted to the education cargo cult, which is why conservatives have historically praised them.

    The greater risk is that deracinated whites will assimilate into these cultures. This is why I don't mind SJW angst over "cultural appropriation". Our cultures are weak and decadent.

    The association of Islam with terrorism is what holds back a lot of potential Western converts, along with the circumcision requirement (as circumcision is more prevalent in the US, this wouldn' be as much an issue). There's also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.

    There’s also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.

    Agree. It’s something I’ve expected to see happening but up to this point still doesn’t seem to be the case. The alt right ‘white sharia’ thing was a bad joke–but sentimentally, it wasn’t entirely a joke. There are a lot of frustrated young men trying out things like orthodox Christianity and traditional Catholicism. When are they going to start being picked up by a fully fleshed out value system that actually wants to grow?

    Imagine what a headline of “Increasing number of white nationalists converting to Islam” would do to the leftist hivemind in West!

    • Replies: @216
    Hard to say there, the constant is fringe politics being a sausage fest. IIRC, women are 60% of Dem primary voters, but a much lower percentage of DSA and Antifa.

    If we look at the UNZ readership and commenters, I'd be shocked if women were even 3% of the audience. Has Ron posted data on this?
  55. @Colin Wright
    '...They “share our values” until they are here in large enough numbers, at which point they revert to their native behaviour.'

    I think this is true in general. Here in the town I live in, there's a minute (2%?) black minority.

    They're perfectly well-behaved, as far as I can see, and if perceptibly black in their behavior, not obnoxiously so. In other words, they conform to white norms of behavior.

    ...not what happens when they get to be 30-40% of the population.

    And think about it. Suppose you moved to rural Morocco. Well, you'd probably take care to behave in a manner your neighbors thought fitting -- until you got enough of your compatriots to number a third of the population or so. Then you'd think a pub and maybe a strip club was called for. My wife, cover her hair? An outrage...

    I'd say this is human nature. 'Diversity' is fine -- just so long as the 'diverse' are few enough in number that they realize they'd best fit in.

    “They’re perfectly well-behaved, as far as I can see, and if perceptibly black in their behavior, not obnoxiously so. In other words, they conform to white norms of behavior.”

    You mean we conform to our society’s norms of behavior. Of course, if we look at our nation’s history, WASPs were generally outraged that Eastern and Southern Europeans be allowed to enter in large numbers because of their transforming disposition–cold, emotionless, shiftless, and having violent tendencies. It made little difference that they were white. It made all the difference that they were the bottom rung of the European racial ladder.

    “Diversity’ is fine — just so long as the ‘diverse’ are few enough in number that they realize they’d best fit in.”

    Unfortunately, WASPs were unsuccessful to defend the homogeneity of the nation. The Italians, the Poles, the Slaves, and an assorted cast of characters ruined it. It is why we cannot have nice things.

  56. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter
    There weren’t many Asian women at all in the USA, outside Hawaii and California, when those older Asian women were young and/or when they came to the USA.

    Older Asian women will have a larger percentage who came here by marrying American men, almost always white (European-American) men. Their viewpoints will be influenced by those husbands, who were not typically left wing and certainly not self-hating / ashamed to be white, during those generations.

    Also, would older Asian women have been less likely to attend college in the USA? That would mean they didn’t get brainwashed in college into resenting men, resenting whites, resenting America itself, looking for reasons to feel aggrieved, wanting everything for free, identifying with her tribe instead of with America and core American culture, etc.

    I’m married to a Filipina who recently became a US citizen and plans to cast her first vote for some non-Democrat in 2020. We know a number of Filipinos in the USA married to white American men and they are often somewhat conservative, patriotic and appreciative of America and our traditional people and culture, not in agreement with PC and resentment of whites, not wanting to allow massive Third a World immigration (especially Muslim, African,and mestizo “Latino”) that will continue to destroy the culture, way of life, social trust, cohesiveness, confidence, compassion, and economy that once made them dream of coming here.

    Not saying that Filipinas or Asian immigrants overall think this way.

    blah blah blah…if you honor traditional western values so much, why are you married to a Filipina? Why do you associate with white men who have also married outside their race?

    It’s always the most “conservative” white men who have the highest likelihood of marrying a brown woman. You love to point fingers at white women, colored people, and LGBTs but in reality YOU are doing the exact thing that is antithetical to your “values”.

    This is why nobody mainstream takes your movement seriously.

  57. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @216
    Another reason behind the female gender gap might be the increasing coarseness of society. As political correctness and multikult are squeezing public debate, we now have much harsher material being put out in real time on the Interwebz. Also, as we are well aware, multikult reduces social trust between and within groups.

    To the more cooperative female mindset, a lot of mach0-sounding politics from the Right comes of as unkind and lacking empathy. This is why I unironically support "Respect Wahmen" and have the unusual sympathy to the Neo-Victorian demands disguised as feminism.

    “come across”?

    The far right IS unkind. It DOES lack empathy. Fascism inherently draws its supporters from psychopaths, who lack empathy, just as libertarianism is inherently attractive to autistic people, and all forms of leftism are attractive to schizophrenics.

    Don’t worry about how you come across towards women. Just live consistently with your beliefs. If most women disagree then they disagree. Who cares.

  58. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    There’s also the oddity that Muslims have not really tried to promote conversion as a way to live a traditionalist lifestyle towards seculars disilliusioned with the mainstream churches.

    Agree. It's something I've expected to see happening but up to this point still doesn't seem to be the case. The alt right 'white sharia' thing was a bad joke--but sentimentally, it wasn't entirely a joke. There are a lot of frustrated young men trying out things like orthodox Christianity and traditional Catholicism. When are they going to start being picked up by a fully fleshed out value system that actually wants to grow?

    Imagine what a headline of "Increasing number of white nationalists converting to Islam" would do to the leftist hivemind in West!

    Hard to say there, the constant is fringe politics being a sausage fest. IIRC, women are 60% of Dem primary voters, but a much lower percentage of DSA and Antifa.

    If we look at the UNZ readership and commenters, I’d be shocked if women were even 3% of the audience. Has Ron posted data on this?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Not sure. I'll ask him.
  59. @iffen
    My bad, I read it to be about peoples who have mindsets that are incompatible with American mindsets.

    So, Filipinos are on the okay list, but not Chinese and Koreans?

    This is where you trip up people like Achmed. Rather than define this list, the easiest thing to do is to say NO EAST ASIANS. No flips , no chinks, no japs. NONE. easy.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Schoolmarm disapproves of "chinks". Please refrain.
    , @iffen
    There are more people like him than like you. People that want immigration restrictions except for their "special" cases.
  60. @216
    Hard to say there, the constant is fringe politics being a sausage fest. IIRC, women are 60% of Dem primary voters, but a much lower percentage of DSA and Antifa.

    If we look at the UNZ readership and commenters, I'd be shocked if women were even 3% of the audience. Has Ron posted data on this?

    Not sure. I’ll ask him.

  61. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    This is where you trip up people like Achmed. Rather than define this list, the easiest thing to do is to say NO EAST ASIANS. No flips , no chinks, no japs. NONE. easy.

    Schoolmarm disapproves of “chinks”. Please refrain.

  62. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    This is where you trip up people like Achmed. Rather than define this list, the easiest thing to do is to say NO EAST ASIANS. No flips , no chinks, no japs. NONE. easy.

    There are more people like him than like you. People that want immigration restrictions except for their “special” cases.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    That's why we never get anywhere. Everyone turns out to be a special case. Now the whole world is at our doorstep.
  63. It is, in short, to repeat over and over and over again “This is NOT okay“. The life of a bitter vinegar-drinking scold is not one that appeals much to young men.

    Ahem..

    So says the schoolmarm to her white male readers.

    Just saying…

  64. @iffen
    There are more people like him than like you. People that want immigration restrictions except for their "special" cases.

    That’s why we never get anywhere. Everyone turns out to be a special case. Now the whole world is at our doorstep.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Now the whole world is at our doorstep.
     
    I hate to interrupt your ever-so-classy stream of invectives, but immigration from East Asia, excluding China, to the United States has been declining substantially.

    Japanese immigration has all but ceased. Korean immigration has declined (there are now fewer people identifying as Koreans in the U.S. than, say, 20 years ag0), and the story is the same with Taiwanese immigration. If you think that people who have something like this (https://youtu.be/yaC41U5qKDY) want to come to the U.S. and run liquor stores amongst blacks and Hispanics, you don't know much about East Asia or East Asians today.

    I am not into making predictions, but I would wager - if I had to - that Chinese immigration will decline significantly over the next twenty to thirty years as China's economy catches up to that of South Korean and Taiwan.

    So, there won't be much of a need to say "no" to "flips, chinks, and japs," as you so elegantly put.

    You (and I) will, however, continue to have to worry about South Asians (i.e. Indians).
  65. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    That's why we never get anywhere. Everyone turns out to be a special case. Now the whole world is at our doorstep.

    Now the whole world is at our doorstep.

    I hate to interrupt your ever-so-classy stream of invectives, but immigration from East Asia, excluding China, to the United States has been declining substantially.

    Japanese immigration has all but ceased. Korean immigration has declined (there are now fewer people identifying as Koreans in the U.S. than, say, 20 years ag0), and the story is the same with Taiwanese immigration. If you think that people who have something like this (https://youtu.be/yaC41U5qKDY) want to come to the U.S. and run liquor stores amongst blacks and Hispanics, you don’t know much about East Asia or East Asians today.

    I am not into making predictions, but I would wager – if I had to – that Chinese immigration will decline significantly over the next twenty to thirty years as China’s economy catches up to that of South Korean and Taiwan.

    So, there won’t be much of a need to say “no” to “flips, chinks, and japs,” as you so elegantly put.

    You (and I) will, however, continue to have to worry about South Asians (i.e. Indians).

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