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The following graph shows the percentages of people, by selected demographic characteristics, who say if the sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden and/or Donald Trump are proven true, the guilt of each “disqualifies him from the presidency”:

Inconsistency in verdicts in consequences are almost exclusively partisan in nature.

To make these distinctions clearer, the next graph shows the percentages who think a guilty Biden should be disqualified from the presidency and subtracts from it the percentages who think a guilty Trump should be disqualified. Higher numbers thus indicate a pro-Trump bias; negative numbers a pro-Biden bias:

Who would’ve possibly guessed the post-graduates would be the biggest non-partisan practitioners of the philosophy of Who? Whom?

That nearly 1 in 3 Democrats claim an aspiring prestadigitator-in-chief shouldn’t be president provides the pretense the DNC establishment needs to toss Biden overboard if his senescence becomes more trouble than it’s worth. Neo-liberalism’s update on the old Soviet saying: Show me the person and I’ll show you the wokecrime.

 
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  1. Make “other” independents ages 30-64 judges?

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    Only ones who went to college but didn't graduate.
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/opinion/tara-reade-joe-biden-vote.html

    The absolute state of COPE some people have in trying to reconcile their idiotic beliefs.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    She believes Biden assaulted Reade but that's better than what Pence does by refusing to be alone with women who are not his wife. That's not editorial license on my part--she says it explicitly.

    It's a good reminder of how contemptible these people are.
  3. Who would’ve possibly guessed the post-graduates would be the biggest non-partisan practitioners of the philosophy of Who? Whom?

    Post-grads vote heavily Democrat.

    This is because most post-grad degrees are dependent on government funds or lead to debt. Few people realize how many post-grads spend their time applying for government grants. The medical doctor or engineer that can readily get a job in the private sector is in the minority.

    Post-grad degrees that lead to high salaries are not as heavily Democrat.

    Liberals of course like to think that post-grads are just more intelligent and that is why they vote Democrat.

    Well high school drop outs and felons also vote heavily Democrat. So there goes that theory.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    There's no question that Donald Trump's demeanor is a tough sell with the postgrad crowd, but I'd be cautious about ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren't profoundly deep political thinkers, they are concerned more with their daily lives: which is, to be honest, healthier.

    The real issue is, as always, the GOP's economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc. Saying that the Democrats have been getting increasingly neo-feudal themselves (checked out Pelosi's latest bill? Plenty of lobbyist bailouts...) is true, but irrelevant. Trump's in charge. And what is happening? He might as well be George W. Bush reincarnated, given what is going on. Boeing got 25 billion dollars from the Fed and proceeded to lay off over 15,000 people anyway. In a repeat of 2008/2009, companies are using the crisis as cover for lucrative corporate mergers. Our elites still pay allegiance to an international trade structure that is not only disadvantaging Americans, but is actively harming them.

    I'm not a Marxist: I don't believe man is a rational, calculating economic machine. But pocketbook voting is a thing. If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn't have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple, regardless of what irritated declassed graduate liberals think about his personality.

  4. @John Johnson
    Who would’ve possibly guessed the post-graduates would be the biggest non-partisan practitioners of the philosophy of Who? Whom?

    Post-grads vote heavily Democrat.

    This is because most post-grad degrees are dependent on government funds or lead to debt. Few people realize how many post-grads spend their time applying for government grants. The medical doctor or engineer that can readily get a job in the private sector is in the minority.

    Post-grad degrees that lead to high salaries are not as heavily Democrat.

    Liberals of course like to think that post-grads are just more intelligent and that is why they vote Democrat.

    Well high school drop outs and felons also vote heavily Democrat. So there goes that theory.

    There’s no question that Donald Trump’s demeanor is a tough sell with the postgrad crowd, but I’d be cautious about ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren’t profoundly deep political thinkers, they are concerned more with their daily lives: which is, to be honest, healthier.

    The real issue is, as always, the GOP’s economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc. Saying that the Democrats have been getting increasingly neo-feudal themselves (checked out Pelosi’s latest bill? Plenty of lobbyist bailouts…) is true, but irrelevant. Trump’s in charge. And what is happening? He might as well be George W. Bush reincarnated, given what is going on. Boeing got 25 billion dollars from the Fed and proceeded to lay off over 15,000 people anyway. In a repeat of 2008/2009, companies are using the crisis as cover for lucrative corporate mergers. Our elites still pay allegiance to an international trade structure that is not only disadvantaging Americans, but is actively harming them.

    I’m not a Marxist: I don’t believe man is a rational, calculating economic machine. But pocketbook voting is a thing. If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn’t have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple, regardless of what irritated declassed graduate liberals think about his personality.

    • Agree: Daniel H
    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
    ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren’t profoundly deep political thinkers

    Are you claiming that deep political thinking leads to woke-ism?
    , @John Johnson
    The real issue is, as always, the GOP’s economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc.

    I think he definitely should have remained more of a populist. Once he got to DC it seems the GOP talked him into supporting the status quo on health care and taxes. I think Bannon was right in that Trump should ignore them and go his own path.

    However I don't think independents see Biden as capable of doing better. He might be for expanding health care but he is also a self-loathing White liberal that puts rural White Americans last. As with all career politicians he cares more about getting elected than actually doing anything. People can smell that he is more about talk than substance. He has that slimeball politician odor.

    I don't think independents are buying him as a clearly better candidate and the MSM so far has covered his record on guns and abortion.
    , @Corvinus
    "Most people aren’t profoundly deep political thinkers..."

    Maybe. Then again, perhaps not.

    "If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn’t have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple..."

    Wishful thinking.
    , @MBlanc46
    I don’t know whether he’d have had to worry about re-election if he’d been serious about border control and deportation of illegals rather than tax cuts, but I know that I’d be a lot more enthusiastic about him.
  5. @nebulafox
    There's no question that Donald Trump's demeanor is a tough sell with the postgrad crowd, but I'd be cautious about ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren't profoundly deep political thinkers, they are concerned more with their daily lives: which is, to be honest, healthier.

    The real issue is, as always, the GOP's economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc. Saying that the Democrats have been getting increasingly neo-feudal themselves (checked out Pelosi's latest bill? Plenty of lobbyist bailouts...) is true, but irrelevant. Trump's in charge. And what is happening? He might as well be George W. Bush reincarnated, given what is going on. Boeing got 25 billion dollars from the Fed and proceeded to lay off over 15,000 people anyway. In a repeat of 2008/2009, companies are using the crisis as cover for lucrative corporate mergers. Our elites still pay allegiance to an international trade structure that is not only disadvantaging Americans, but is actively harming them.

    I'm not a Marxist: I don't believe man is a rational, calculating economic machine. But pocketbook voting is a thing. If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn't have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple, regardless of what irritated declassed graduate liberals think about his personality.

    ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren’t profoundly deep political thinkers

    Are you claiming that deep political thinking leads to woke-ism?

    • Replies: @RSDB
    Reading his comment the most straightforward reading is that "woke-ists" are a subset of "profoundly deep political thinkers".

    That is, there are PDPTs who aren't W (these would be the people who are "ascribing too much power" etc.) but all Ws are PDPTs.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Hunt-AwakeningConscience1853.jpg
  6. CPK says:

    Alternatively: People don’t think too hard about counterfactual and hypothetical questions.

    When a question starts “If a certain fact were proven true,” most people don’t really answer assuming it’s been proven true. They make at least an implicit judgment about whether it’s actually true. So this question really reduces to “Do you think sexual assault allegations against X are true?”

    For that matter, many simply discount the conditional part of the question — in which case it reduces to “Do you think X is unqualified to be President?”

    If it were actually proven, and people accepted it as actual fact, we’d probably still see some partisan inconsistency, but less than these responses suggest.

  7. @nebulafox
    There's no question that Donald Trump's demeanor is a tough sell with the postgrad crowd, but I'd be cautious about ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren't profoundly deep political thinkers, they are concerned more with their daily lives: which is, to be honest, healthier.

    The real issue is, as always, the GOP's economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc. Saying that the Democrats have been getting increasingly neo-feudal themselves (checked out Pelosi's latest bill? Plenty of lobbyist bailouts...) is true, but irrelevant. Trump's in charge. And what is happening? He might as well be George W. Bush reincarnated, given what is going on. Boeing got 25 billion dollars from the Fed and proceeded to lay off over 15,000 people anyway. In a repeat of 2008/2009, companies are using the crisis as cover for lucrative corporate mergers. Our elites still pay allegiance to an international trade structure that is not only disadvantaging Americans, but is actively harming them.

    I'm not a Marxist: I don't believe man is a rational, calculating economic machine. But pocketbook voting is a thing. If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn't have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple, regardless of what irritated declassed graduate liberals think about his personality.

    The real issue is, as always, the GOP’s economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc.

    I think he definitely should have remained more of a populist. Once he got to DC it seems the GOP talked him into supporting the status quo on health care and taxes. I think Bannon was right in that Trump should ignore them and go his own path.

    However I don’t think independents see Biden as capable of doing better. He might be for expanding health care but he is also a self-loathing White liberal that puts rural White Americans last. As with all career politicians he cares more about getting elected than actually doing anything. People can smell that he is more about talk than substance. He has that slimeball politician odor.

    I don’t think independents are buying him as a clearly better candidate and the MSM so far has covered his record on guns and abortion.

  8. The only ones with any honor are other and independents.

  9. @Twinkie
    Make “other” independents ages 30-64 judges?

    Only ones who went to college but didn’t graduate.

  10. This is s judgement call about a he id she id she did he says she says concerning intrapersonal intimate conduct. in the current environment have been more than convenient —-

    I am not sure why it is any of my business. It’s mud. It’s about a democrats. But a an adult living in the real world, is it plausible that anyone, including Candidate Biden just up and accosted some women.

    An inappropriate exchange, a misunderstood and missed cues —-

    a sudden change of mind or even a gradual change of mind — face saving —

    not uncommon, and far more plausible and probable than an out of the blue physical assault in a public space.

    Though one has smirk at the “meetoo” clan having o grapple with the real world of male female intimate communication.

    • Replies: @Bill
    Bullies are real. Sadists are real. Powerful people who delight in their ability to break rules others must follow are real.
  11. Many many years go, one of our neighbors and i used to chat. We got along very well. We also got along with the woman next door. I especially appreciated her fiestness and she was. Any any rate, the woman ho lived upside and i us to joke around. In my view it was harmless nonsense. One afternoon one of the men she lived with confronted me about having my own wife.

    Laugh. I was more than taken aback, but held my water. His assumptions were wrong on so many levels that i decided to let it rest and ride. I cooled my communications with er on his behalf — she was his wife and I never told her why. Had I responded, I would have been none too kind. I did not reference that she was old enough to be my mom, or that I was basically not interested for an asundary of reasons.

    But despite his being wrong. I understood his concern — even I know that it doesn’t take a mountain to move in the wrong direction among – even just casual friends — timing, circumstance . . .

    But when I reflect back on my life and relations, something still remains regarding male female dynamics. In spite of more than fifty years of active feminism — we have yet to press women to take responsibility for their feelings, especially when it comes to intimacy.

    It remains a staple among among women —

    “See what you made me do.”

    And I can say with great confidence as prudish i am — women can do things all their own and press the matter over any objections and still want to blame the end on — you — even if at the end the matter — “nothing happened” or far less than she so desired and pressed for.

    But against the backdrop of male guilt for failing to protect and catering to female “weakness” — ha!

    we take the matter as our cloak

  12. @nebulafox
    There's no question that Donald Trump's demeanor is a tough sell with the postgrad crowd, but I'd be cautious about ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren't profoundly deep political thinkers, they are concerned more with their daily lives: which is, to be honest, healthier.

    The real issue is, as always, the GOP's economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc. Saying that the Democrats have been getting increasingly neo-feudal themselves (checked out Pelosi's latest bill? Plenty of lobbyist bailouts...) is true, but irrelevant. Trump's in charge. And what is happening? He might as well be George W. Bush reincarnated, given what is going on. Boeing got 25 billion dollars from the Fed and proceeded to lay off over 15,000 people anyway. In a repeat of 2008/2009, companies are using the crisis as cover for lucrative corporate mergers. Our elites still pay allegiance to an international trade structure that is not only disadvantaging Americans, but is actively harming them.

    I'm not a Marxist: I don't believe man is a rational, calculating economic machine. But pocketbook voting is a thing. If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn't have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple, regardless of what irritated declassed graduate liberals think about his personality.

    “Most people aren’t profoundly deep political thinkers…”

    Maybe. Then again, perhaps not.

    “If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn’t have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple…”

    Wishful thinking.

  13. Hence women murdering children the womb —- they want to play and take no responsibility for their behavior. I am defending sexual assault.

    But I am going to walk very carefully around these kinds of accusations. Politically incorrect and socially dangerous no doubt —

  14. Most men are the same. Horny bastards. Without some kind of system imposed to restrict their sexuality (ie. religion, shaming, etc.) they want to fuck alot of women if they can. People like Trump and Biden can.

    Biden’s “sexual misconduct” doesn’t disqualify him – neither does Orange Mans. But Biden’s Dementia sure does. If the GOP really wanted to win they would show that Biden has Alzheimers – not some bullshit sex assaul claim from 30 years ago.

  15. Putting aside the sexual allegations, I think Biden might be the creepiest mainstream presidential candidate ever. It’s impossible to prove because technology has facilitated vastly increased documentation, so the weight of evidence is uneven, but I suspect he has the poorest mental filter on what he says and the least regard for the personal space of others.

    Is there documentary proof of any other candidate making a public speech where he weirdly talks about little black kids pulling on the hairs of his legs? (or something equivalently odd). Are there pictures of another guy smelling the hair of little girls or running his hands on their skin? Biden exudes a creepy aura.

    I suspect that he really has the creepiest aura ever and that it is a symptom of increased partisanship and the decline of the US that he was able to rise to his position. I’m not even trying to hint at anything sexual – I think he is just a guy who, in a natural environment, would make a lot of people uncomfortable.

    Trump also makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but I suspect that is mainly tied to politics, or how he can sometimes come across as being low class.

  16. Were individual respondents being surveyed about both men? Didn’t they feel a bit ashamed expressing contradictory standards only seconds apart?
    This demonstrates the limitations of such data. It would be helpful to ask a sample of these respondents: why?
    I suspect, as CPK suggests, that they are not quite answering the question being asked, but rather they are judging the veracity of the accusations.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    There's likely something to that, but it's not the whole story. Check out the NYT op-ed Tusk linked to.
  17. @nebulafox
    There's no question that Donald Trump's demeanor is a tough sell with the postgrad crowd, but I'd be cautious about ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren't profoundly deep political thinkers, they are concerned more with their daily lives: which is, to be honest, healthier.

    The real issue is, as always, the GOP's economic message, which Trump is now wholly associated with. It is simply never going to be sold on a demographic that knows a solid majority of them will do worse than their parents in life, with worse standards of living, a worse quality of healthcare, etc. Saying that the Democrats have been getting increasingly neo-feudal themselves (checked out Pelosi's latest bill? Plenty of lobbyist bailouts...) is true, but irrelevant. Trump's in charge. And what is happening? He might as well be George W. Bush reincarnated, given what is going on. Boeing got 25 billion dollars from the Fed and proceeded to lay off over 15,000 people anyway. In a repeat of 2008/2009, companies are using the crisis as cover for lucrative corporate mergers. Our elites still pay allegiance to an international trade structure that is not only disadvantaging Americans, but is actively harming them.

    I'm not a Marxist: I don't believe man is a rational, calculating economic machine. But pocketbook voting is a thing. If Trump decided to not follow the Kushner/Mnuchin route, he wouldn't have to worry about reelection right now, plain and simple, regardless of what irritated declassed graduate liberals think about his personality.

    I don’t know whether he’d have had to worry about re-election if he’d been serious about border control and deportation of illegals rather than tax cuts, but I know that I’d be a lot more enthusiastic about him.

  18. @EliteCommInc.
    This is s judgement call about a he id she id she did he says she says concerning intrapersonal intimate conduct. in the current environment have been more than convenient ----


    I am not sure why it is any of my business. It's mud. It's about a democrats. But a an adult living in the real world, is it plausible that anyone, including Candidate Biden just up and accosted some women.

    An inappropriate exchange, a misunderstood and missed cues ----


    a sudden change of mind or even a gradual change of mind --- face saving --

    not uncommon, and far more plausible and probable than an out of the blue physical assault in a public space.


    Though one has smirk at the "meetoo" clan having o grapple with the real world of male female intimate communication.

    Bullies are real. Sadists are real. Powerful people who delight in their ability to break rules others must follow are real.

  19. @Tusk
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/opinion/tara-reade-joe-biden-vote.html

    The absolute state of COPE some people have in trying to reconcile their idiotic beliefs.

    She believes Biden assaulted Reade but that’s better than what Pence does by refusing to be alone with women who are not his wife. That’s not editorial license on my part–she says it explicitly.

    It’s a good reminder of how contemptible these people are.

    • Agree: Tusk
  20. @Nikolai Vladivostok
    Were individual respondents being surveyed about both men? Didn't they feel a bit ashamed expressing contradictory standards only seconds apart?
    This demonstrates the limitations of such data. It would be helpful to ask a sample of these respondents: why?
    I suspect, as CPK suggests, that they are not quite answering the question being asked, but rather they are judging the veracity of the accusations.

    There’s likely something to that, but it’s not the whole story. Check out the NYT op-ed Tusk linked to.

  21. RSDB says:
    @iffen
    ascribing too much power to woke-ism here. Most people aren’t profoundly deep political thinkers

    Are you claiming that deep political thinking leads to woke-ism?

    Reading his comment the most straightforward reading is that “woke-ists” are a subset of “profoundly deep political thinkers”.

    That is, there are PDPTs who aren’t W (these would be the people who are “ascribing too much power” etc.) but all Ws are PDPTs.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @iffen
    Thanks. I have the opinion that most of the woke are just followers of the current political pablum. Perhaps most of the movers and shakers are PDPTs. The non-woke seem to have some serious PDPTs as well, but they don't seem to be able to translate that into the same kind of "following" that the woke leaders manage.
  22. @RSDB
    Reading his comment the most straightforward reading is that "woke-ists" are a subset of "profoundly deep political thinkers".

    That is, there are PDPTs who aren't W (these would be the people who are "ascribing too much power" etc.) but all Ws are PDPTs.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Hunt-AwakeningConscience1853.jpg

    Thanks. I have the opinion that most of the woke are just followers of the current political pablum. Perhaps most of the movers and shakers are PDPTs. The non-woke seem to have some serious PDPTs as well, but they don’t seem to be able to translate that into the same kind of “following” that the woke leaders manage.

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