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Steve Sailer reviewing David Frye’s book Walls:

Frye retells the history of the world up through 1453 as a conflict between the barbaric warriors of the wasteland and the civilized wall-builders:

How important have walls been in the history of civilization? Few civilized peoples have ever lived outside them.

I wondered if that deep historical understanding might manage to manifest itself in contemporary popular nerd culture.

It does. There are five colors in the M:TG universe. The colors’ predominate attributes and the antithesis of those attributes pithily characterized (heading clockwise from noon; white, blue, black, red, green):

The number of creature cards printed since the game’s inception with the “defender” ability–that is, in the vernacular, the distribution of walls–by color:

This distribution corresponds quite well to the game’s civilization-to-barbarism spectrum. White and blue are civilizational colors, red and black barbaric ones, with green somewhere in between (though elves excepted green is modestly closer to barbarism than civilization). Enthusiasts will quibble about whether white or blue should be furthest towards the civilizational end and about whether red or black should be furthest towards the barbaric end, but directionally the relationship between walls and civilization is clear in both the real world and in the world of planeswalkers.

A description of the white/blue guild:

With the Azorius, you have the law on your side. The proud armada of white and blue fliers contained in the “Azorius Ascendant” deck will soar over the battlefield right into your opponent’s face. Meanwhile, your opponent’s attackers will be bogged down in your defensive web. Winning should be a mere formality.

And a description of the red/black guild:

The Cult of Rakdos is the most dangerous and reckless guild in all of Ravnica. With the “Rakdos Bloodsport” deck, you’ll need to adopt some of that mentality yourself. The guild’s mechanic—hellbent—rewards you for having no cards in your hand, a behavior that makes “careful” players cringe. But you must trust in the minions of Rakdos, throwing caution to the wind!

 
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  1. the original deck was a masterpiece. one of the greatest games ever created.

    every deck after that got progressively worse until they were just garbage. which is the normal pattern after the genius leaves and the hacks show up. if the game was launched for the first time today, but with the current deck (not even sure what edition they’re on), it would flop.

    the first 3 expansions were ok, but that didn’t last either. certainly by fallen empires, they were garbage.

    they should just go back and print the unlimited deck from now on, if they wanted that original magic back. pun intended.

    but how would they make money by not forcing people to buy new cards every couple years.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Agree the game is great. It has become better calibrated and more balanced over time though than it was initially. Healing Salve vs Ancestral Recall would never happen now.

    You're right that the standard format is essentially a license to print money.
  2. The best card in magic is black lotus, instantly destroying the inferior and nonexistant white lotus.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Yeah, that's the consensus position as there may not be a single build in which (were it legal) Black Lotus would not be an auto-include.
  3. i expect many huge academic tomes will be written about the many strands of this topic if we survive.

  4. If you put civilization and barbarism in mtg on a scale you’d have the blue and white pair on one end and the red and green pair on the other. Black is more the decadence that lives in late stage empires. Black is about corrupting the rules for personal gain – it needs a society to parasite.

    From the same source the description of the green red deck:

    The Gruul Wilding deck pounds your opponent with furious monsters. The creatures in your deck are probably already bigger than the creatures your opponent has—but factor in the bloodthirst ability and your power-pumping enchantments and there’s no contest! When your opponent starts crying for mercy, don’t bother showing any. It’s not the Gruul way.

    Bloodsport (needs a civilization to exist) vs Wilding (exists outside civilization)

    The reason black doesn’t get walls is a game play reason – black doesn’t use walls to defend itself instead it kills opposing creatures.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Interesting take.

    One problem with fitting green onto this scale is it's the least human(oid) color. It's not barbarism so much as it nature itself.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.
  5. “White and blue are civilizational colors, red and black barbaric ones, ”

    They couldn’t have created a better metaphor if they tried.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    This was actually printed early on. Reprints have predictably removed the problematic artwork, of course!
  6. Gamer youngins’ always regard themselves as forward-thinking, but isn’t this just an echo of the old, dusty Apollonian / Dionysian dichotomy from Antiquity? If you can get the gamer youths to Embrace the Wall, “may the power be with you.”

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Nietzsche would be a five-colored legendary.
    , @ThreeCranes
    "but isn’t this just an echo of the old, dusty Apollonian / Dionysian dichotomy from Antiquity"

    I don't know doodley squat about the game referred to above, but I do know colors and mythology. And you are exactly correct. Apollo the far-seeing is white and sky blue. Dionysus is red/black, the colors of sensuousness, blood and the dark side.

    In the great color yin/yang which I invented in 1970 and which has since appeared on a million tee-shirts--though in a corrupted, garish form--the colors arrange themselves as Earth, Fire, Air and Water. Earth and Fire colors are of course, red, orange and yellow (and the browns) while Air and Water are green, blue and violet. As implied above, the split is in green, with the yellow green on the inner edge of one side of the yin/yang and the blue green on the other.

    (I ain't just a woofin about inventing the color yin/yang either. I used it on an invitation and did it in beads on a leather vest during my hippie days. I also did a binary-logic, I-Ching tree using the same color scheme, but that's for some other time. I still have these old paintings. They long predated the tie-dyed tee shirts and are, of course, grounded in a deeper understanding of their significance)

  7. @prime noticer
    the original deck was a masterpiece. one of the greatest games ever created.

    every deck after that got progressively worse until they were just garbage. which is the normal pattern after the genius leaves and the hacks show up. if the game was launched for the first time today, but with the current deck (not even sure what edition they're on), it would flop.

    the first 3 expansions were ok, but that didn't last either. certainly by fallen empires, they were garbage.

    they should just go back and print the unlimited deck from now on, if they wanted that original magic back. pun intended.

    but how would they make money by not forcing people to buy new cards every couple years.

    Agree the game is great. It has become better calibrated and more balanced over time though than it was initially. Healing Salve vs Ancestral Recall would never happen now.

    You’re right that the standard format is essentially a license to print money.

  8. @Tusk
    The best card in magic is black lotus, instantly destroying the inferior and nonexistant white lotus.

    Yeah, that’s the consensus position as there may not be a single build in which (were it legal) Black Lotus would not be an auto-include.

  9. @Steve Johnson
    If you put civilization and barbarism in mtg on a scale you'd have the blue and white pair on one end and the red and green pair on the other. Black is more the decadence that lives in late stage empires. Black is about corrupting the rules for personal gain - it needs a society to parasite.

    From the same source the description of the green red deck:

    The Gruul Wilding deck pounds your opponent with furious monsters. The creatures in your deck are probably already bigger than the creatures your opponent has—but factor in the bloodthirst ability and your power-pumping enchantments and there's no contest! When your opponent starts crying for mercy, don't bother showing any. It's not the Gruul way.
     
    Bloodsport (needs a civilization to exist) vs Wilding (exists outside civilization)

    The reason black doesn't get walls is a game play reason - black doesn't use walls to defend itself instead it kills opposing creatures.

    Interesting take.

    One problem with fitting green onto this scale is it’s the least human(oid) color. It’s not barbarism so much as it nature itself.

  10. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "White and blue are civilizational colors, red and black barbaric ones, "

    They couldn't have created a better metaphor if they tried.

    This was actually printed early on. Reprints have predictably removed the problematic artwork, of course!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Since we're nerding out, I must point out that in the Song of Ice and Fire book series, the ancient dragon Balerion was known as "The Black Dread."

    The show merely refers to him as the "The Dread."
  11. @Endgame Napoleon
    Gamer youngins’ always regard themselves as forward-thinking, but isn’t this just an echo of the old, dusty Apollonian / Dionysian dichotomy from Antiquity? If you can get the gamer youths to Embrace the Wall, “may the power be with you.”

    Nietzsche would be a five-colored legendary.

  12. @Steve Johnson
    If you put civilization and barbarism in mtg on a scale you'd have the blue and white pair on one end and the red and green pair on the other. Black is more the decadence that lives in late stage empires. Black is about corrupting the rules for personal gain - it needs a society to parasite.

    From the same source the description of the green red deck:

    The Gruul Wilding deck pounds your opponent with furious monsters. The creatures in your deck are probably already bigger than the creatures your opponent has—but factor in the bloodthirst ability and your power-pumping enchantments and there's no contest! When your opponent starts crying for mercy, don't bother showing any. It's not the Gruul way.
     
    Bloodsport (needs a civilization to exist) vs Wilding (exists outside civilization)

    The reason black doesn't get walls is a game play reason - black doesn't use walls to defend itself instead it kills opposing creatures.

    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    A bit off-topic, but leaving this in the for fun section

    Another Gen Z "poll"

    So Gotoquiz has an fun political spectrum poll that keeps track of self-identified race, political party, and gender of test takers. Its completely unscientific, but it does produce interesting results, such as the under 18 demographic is far more Republican than older

    This is what I've done so far, only white race results are listed below

    Alabama - 1,349
    Democrat - 195 - 14.5%
    Republican - 572 - 42.5%
    Libertarian - 246 - 18%
    Constitution - 47 - 3.5%
    Green - 21 - 1.5%
    Independent - 168 - 12.5%
    Other - 100 - 7.5%

    Alaska - 238
    Democrat - 62 - 26%
    Republican - 66 - 27%
    Libertarian - 34 - 14%
    Constitution - 8 - 3%
    Green - 5 - 2%
    Independent - 37 - 15.5%
    Other - 26 - 11.5%

    Arizona - 1,861
    Democrat - 368 - 20%
    Republican - 729 - 39%
    Libertarian - 246 - 13%
    Constitution - 34 - 2%
    Green - 30 - 2%
    Independent - 344 - 18%
    Other - 110 - 6%

    Arkansas - 673
    Democrat - 116 - 17%
    Republican - 252 - 38%
    Libertarian - 106 - 16%
    Constitution - 18 - 2.5%
    Green - 11 - 1.5%
    Independent - 122 - 18%
    Other - 48 - 7%

    California - 8,175
    Democrat - 2.3k - 28%
    Republican - 2.7k - 33%
    Libertarian - 974 - 12%
    Constitution - 137 - 1.5%
    Green - 205 - 2.5%
    Independent - 1.3k - 16%
    Other - 559 - 7%

    Colorado - 2,457
    Democrat - 648 - 26%
    Republican - 872 - 35.5%
    Libertarian - 261 - 10.5%
    Constitution - 46 - 2%
    Green - 41 - 2%
    Independent - 441 - 18%
    Other - 148 - 6%

    Connecticut - 2,099
    Democrat - 590 - 28%
    Republican - 671 - 32%
    Libertarian - 251 - 13%
    Constitution - 36 - 1.5%
    Green - 43 - 2%
    Independent - 385 - 17.5%
    Other - 123 - 6%

    Delaware - 309
    Democrat - 73 - 23%
    Republican - 110 - 35.5%
    Libertarian - 36 - 11.5%
    Constitution - 11 - 4%
    Green - 7 - 3%
    Independent - 59 - 19%
    Other - 13 - 4%

    Florida - 4,264
    Democrat - 840 - 20%
    Republican - 1.7k - 40%
    Libertarian - 505 - 12%
    Constitution - 64 - 1.5%
    Green - 89 - 2.5%
    Independent - 771 - 17%
    Other - 295 - 7%

    Georgia - 3,238
    Democrat - 528 - 16%
    Republican - 1.5k - 47%
    Libertarian - 487 - 15%
    Constitution - 61 - 2%
    Green - 43 - 1%
    Independent - 425 - 13%
    Other - 194 - 6%

    Debating if I'll continue whites in 10 state sections or do the first 10 in Black or Hispanic respondents

    , @Steve Johnson

    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.
     
    Goes along with my point - you don't fear vampires hunting you down when you're out in the woods - you fear them stalking you in cities or hunting in your village from their manor. More generally, they're a distillation of the fear of and revulsion to someone who lives off your blood - read life energy - the fear that you're Wozniak and the vampire is your Jobs.

    Meanwhile red and green are the colors of what monster? Werewolves. The call of the savage world outside civilization completely.
    , @Tusk
    Black (generally) is pretty evil/selfish, but Nahiri who was White goes White/Red and becomes evil during Shadows Over Innistrad, and Sorin Markov who started off monoblack becomes Black/White as he is a good guy technically. That said some planes do differ, such as Mirrodin in which the white creatures following in Elesh Norn reflect a demented and rabid focus on purity. I think card art like Suture Priest reflect the ways in which White can be reflcted as a negative.
  13. And LD is a B/R color thing as well, which is what barbaric peoples do.
    Although mill (my favorite) is a blue tactic, which also “destroys” a resource…

    It is interesting about the walls to color relationship. Even within the walls, I’m betting the B/R walls are destructive or “offensive” in more ways then the U/W walls. Green walls sort of do both.

    I’ve all but gotten out of the game since my store closed, just dumping the rest of the cards as time permits…

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Since the library is sort of the subconscious and the hand the conscious, milling can be thought of as 'brainwashing' an opponent out of his violent orientation towards you.

    Yes, that's definitely the case re: walls, especially red ones.
  14. @Audacious Epigone
    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.

    A bit off-topic, but leaving this in the for fun section

    Another Gen Z “poll”

    So Gotoquiz has an fun political spectrum poll that keeps track of self-identified race, political party, and gender of test takers. Its completely unscientific, but it does produce interesting results, such as the under 18 demographic is far more Republican than older

    This is what I’ve done so far, only white race results are listed below

    Alabama – 1,349
    Democrat – 195 – 14.5%
    Republican – 572 – 42.5%
    Libertarian – 246 – 18%
    Constitution – 47 – 3.5%
    Green – 21 – 1.5%
    Independent – 168 – 12.5%
    Other – 100 – 7.5%

    Alaska – 238
    Democrat – 62 – 26%
    Republican – 66 – 27%
    Libertarian – 34 – 14%
    Constitution – 8 – 3%
    Green – 5 – 2%
    Independent – 37 – 15.5%
    Other – 26 – 11.5%

    Arizona – 1,861
    Democrat – 368 – 20%
    Republican – 729 – 39%
    Libertarian – 246 – 13%
    Constitution – 34 – 2%
    Green – 30 – 2%
    Independent – 344 – 18%
    Other – 110 – 6%

    Arkansas – 673
    Democrat – 116 – 17%
    Republican – 252 – 38%
    Libertarian – 106 – 16%
    Constitution – 18 – 2.5%
    Green – 11 – 1.5%
    Independent – 122 – 18%
    Other – 48 – 7%

    California – 8,175
    Democrat – 2.3k – 28%
    Republican – 2.7k – 33%
    Libertarian – 974 – 12%
    Constitution – 137 – 1.5%
    Green – 205 – 2.5%
    Independent – 1.3k – 16%
    Other – 559 – 7%

    Colorado – 2,457
    Democrat – 648 – 26%
    Republican – 872 – 35.5%
    Libertarian – 261 – 10.5%
    Constitution – 46 – 2%
    Green – 41 – 2%
    Independent – 441 – 18%
    Other – 148 – 6%

    Connecticut – 2,099
    Democrat – 590 – 28%
    Republican – 671 – 32%
    Libertarian – 251 – 13%
    Constitution – 36 – 1.5%
    Green – 43 – 2%
    Independent – 385 – 17.5%
    Other – 123 – 6%

    Delaware – 309
    Democrat – 73 – 23%
    Republican – 110 – 35.5%
    Libertarian – 36 – 11.5%
    Constitution – 11 – 4%
    Green – 7 – 3%
    Independent – 59 – 19%
    Other – 13 – 4%

    Florida – 4,264
    Democrat – 840 – 20%
    Republican – 1.7k – 40%
    Libertarian – 505 – 12%
    Constitution – 64 – 1.5%
    Green – 89 – 2.5%
    Independent – 771 – 17%
    Other – 295 – 7%

    Georgia – 3,238
    Democrat – 528 – 16%
    Republican – 1.5k – 47%
    Libertarian – 487 – 15%
    Constitution – 61 – 2%
    Green – 43 – 1%
    Independent – 425 – 13%
    Other – 194 – 6%

    Debating if I’ll continue whites in 10 state sections or do the first 10 in Black or Hispanic respondents

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Very interesting. Do you have a direct link to the results? I see several different pages at the site.
  15. @Audacious Epigone
    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.

    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.

    Goes along with my point – you don’t fear vampires hunting you down when you’re out in the woods – you fear them stalking you in cities or hunting in your village from their manor. More generally, they’re a distillation of the fear of and revulsion to someone who lives off your blood – read life energy – the fear that you’re Wozniak and the vampire is your Jobs.

    Meanwhile red and green are the colors of what monster? Werewolves. The call of the savage world outside civilization completely.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @GU
    Black is also historically associated with demonic creatures, which again only make sense when juxtaposed with a socio-religious civilization.

    Goblins (red) are not evil in the same way as a demonic horde. The latter’s purpose is to terrorize (civilized) people, the former is merely trying to survive in its own barbaric way.
  16. Magic: The Gathering in Unz.com?

    I am done seen everything now!

  17. @Kaosweaver
    And LD is a B/R color thing as well, which is what barbaric peoples do.
    Although mill (my favorite) is a blue tactic, which also "destroys" a resource...

    It is interesting about the walls to color relationship. Even within the walls, I'm betting the B/R walls are destructive or "offensive" in more ways then the U/W walls. Green walls sort of do both.

    I've all but gotten out of the game since my store closed, just dumping the rest of the cards as time permits...

    Since the library is sort of the subconscious and the hand the conscious, milling can be thought of as ‘brainwashing’ an opponent out of his violent orientation towards you.

    Yes, that’s definitely the case re: walls, especially red ones.

  18. @Oblivionrecurs
    A bit off-topic, but leaving this in the for fun section

    Another Gen Z "poll"

    So Gotoquiz has an fun political spectrum poll that keeps track of self-identified race, political party, and gender of test takers. Its completely unscientific, but it does produce interesting results, such as the under 18 demographic is far more Republican than older

    This is what I've done so far, only white race results are listed below

    Alabama - 1,349
    Democrat - 195 - 14.5%
    Republican - 572 - 42.5%
    Libertarian - 246 - 18%
    Constitution - 47 - 3.5%
    Green - 21 - 1.5%
    Independent - 168 - 12.5%
    Other - 100 - 7.5%

    Alaska - 238
    Democrat - 62 - 26%
    Republican - 66 - 27%
    Libertarian - 34 - 14%
    Constitution - 8 - 3%
    Green - 5 - 2%
    Independent - 37 - 15.5%
    Other - 26 - 11.5%

    Arizona - 1,861
    Democrat - 368 - 20%
    Republican - 729 - 39%
    Libertarian - 246 - 13%
    Constitution - 34 - 2%
    Green - 30 - 2%
    Independent - 344 - 18%
    Other - 110 - 6%

    Arkansas - 673
    Democrat - 116 - 17%
    Republican - 252 - 38%
    Libertarian - 106 - 16%
    Constitution - 18 - 2.5%
    Green - 11 - 1.5%
    Independent - 122 - 18%
    Other - 48 - 7%

    California - 8,175
    Democrat - 2.3k - 28%
    Republican - 2.7k - 33%
    Libertarian - 974 - 12%
    Constitution - 137 - 1.5%
    Green - 205 - 2.5%
    Independent - 1.3k - 16%
    Other - 559 - 7%

    Colorado - 2,457
    Democrat - 648 - 26%
    Republican - 872 - 35.5%
    Libertarian - 261 - 10.5%
    Constitution - 46 - 2%
    Green - 41 - 2%
    Independent - 441 - 18%
    Other - 148 - 6%

    Connecticut - 2,099
    Democrat - 590 - 28%
    Republican - 671 - 32%
    Libertarian - 251 - 13%
    Constitution - 36 - 1.5%
    Green - 43 - 2%
    Independent - 385 - 17.5%
    Other - 123 - 6%

    Delaware - 309
    Democrat - 73 - 23%
    Republican - 110 - 35.5%
    Libertarian - 36 - 11.5%
    Constitution - 11 - 4%
    Green - 7 - 3%
    Independent - 59 - 19%
    Other - 13 - 4%

    Florida - 4,264
    Democrat - 840 - 20%
    Republican - 1.7k - 40%
    Libertarian - 505 - 12%
    Constitution - 64 - 1.5%
    Green - 89 - 2.5%
    Independent - 771 - 17%
    Other - 295 - 7%

    Georgia - 3,238
    Democrat - 528 - 16%
    Republican - 1.5k - 47%
    Libertarian - 487 - 15%
    Constitution - 61 - 2%
    Green - 43 - 1%
    Independent - 425 - 13%
    Other - 194 - 6%

    Debating if I'll continue whites in 10 state sections or do the first 10 in Black or Hispanic respondents

    Very interesting. Do you have a direct link to the results? I see several different pages at the site.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    https://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/poli-compare.html

    This is the next batch, same 10 states, but for Blacks and Hispanics.

    I'd do by gender, but I usually won't count samples not over a hundred, and that eliminates a lot. That said some of these have higher sample numbers than Hispanic Heritage Gen Z poll or even some mock elections

    Blacks

    Alabama
    Democrat - 33 - 46%
    Republican - 10 - 14%
    Libertarian - 10 - 14%
    Constitution - 0 - 0%
    Green - 2 - 3%
    Independent - 14 - 20%
    Other - 2 - 3%

    Arizona
    Democrat - 51 - 55.5%
    Republican - 14 - 15%
    Libertarian - 6 - 6.5%
    Constitution - 1 - 0.5%
    Green - 3 - 1%
    Independent - 14 - 15%
    Other - 3 - 1%


    California - 482
    Democrat - 268 - 55.5%
    Republican - 66 - 13 5%
    Libertarian - 37 - 7.5%
    Constitution - 3 - 0.5%
    Green - 7 - 1.5%
    Independent - 68 - 14%
    Other - 33 - 7%


    Connecticut - 116
    Democrat - 76 - 65.5%
    Republican - 6 - 5%
    Libertarian - 10 - 8.5%
    Constitution - 0
    Green - 1 - 1%
    Independent - 17 - 14.5%
    Other - 6 -5%

    Florida - 432
    Democrat - 228 - 53%
    Republican - 38 - 9%
    Libertarian - 20 - 4.5%
    Constitution - 4 -1%
    Green - 9 - 2%
    Independent - 104 - 24%
    Other - 29 - 6.5%

    Georgia - 437
    Democrat - 248 - 56.5%
    Republican - 46 - 10 5%
    Libertarian - 39 - 9%
    Constitution - 2 - 0.5%
    Green - 8 - 2%
    Independent - 72 - 16.5%
    Other - 22 -5%

    Hispanics

    Arizona - 481
    Democrat - 181
    Republican - 97
    Libertarian - 43
    Constitution - 2
    Green - 11
    Independent - 114
    Other - 33

    California
    Democrat - 1.5k
    Republican - 564
    Libertarian - 291
    Constitution - 35
    Green - 66
    Independent - 388
    Other - 194

    Colorado
    Democrat - 111
    Republican - 49
    Libertarian - 29
    Constitution - 6
    Green - 4
    Independent - 41
    Other - 20

    Connecticut
    Democrat - 66
    Republican - 33
    Libertarian - 10
    Constitution - 2
    Green - 5
    Independent - 25
    Other - 8

    Florida
    Democrat - 347
    Republican - 349
    Libertarian - 107
    Constitution - 12
    Green - 35
    Independent - 287
    Other - 62

    Georgia
    Democrat - 91
    Republican - 49
    Libertarian - 26
    Constitution - 4
    Green - 3
    Independent - 36
    Other - 10

    I'll do the next few at some point
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    Overall state results. A few stand outs i.e North Carolina being more left on issues than area and West Virginia being left on economics

    http://magaimg.net/img/7wvx.png

    http://magaimg.net/img/7ww0.png

    http://magaimg.net/img/7ww3.png

    http://magaimg.net/img/7ww5.png
  19. The special people are physically blue and mentally black.

    Anglo-Germanic wypipo are white.

    Dindus are primarily a mix of green and red, with a few black cards in there.

  20. I’d say they’re blue through and through. If this isn’t critical theory, I don’t know what is!

  21. @Audacious Epigone
    This was actually printed early on. Reprints have predictably removed the problematic artwork, of course!

    Since we’re nerding out, I must point out that in the Song of Ice and Fire book series, the ancient dragon Balerion was known as “The Black Dread.”

    The show merely refers to him as the “The Dread.”

  22. GU says:
    @Steve Johnson

    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.
     
    Goes along with my point - you don't fear vampires hunting you down when you're out in the woods - you fear them stalking you in cities or hunting in your village from their manor. More generally, they're a distillation of the fear of and revulsion to someone who lives off your blood - read life energy - the fear that you're Wozniak and the vampire is your Jobs.

    Meanwhile red and green are the colors of what monster? Werewolves. The call of the savage world outside civilization completely.

    Black is also historically associated with demonic creatures, which again only make sense when juxtaposed with a socio-religious civilization.

    Goblins (red) are not evil in the same way as a demonic horde. The latter’s purpose is to terrorize (civilized) people, the former is merely trying to survive in its own barbaric way.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Yes, good point. Red is chaos and impulsivity; black is death and darkness.
  23. Black and green are also the traditional Muslim colors.

    Red and green are both symbolic of life, but in different ways.

    Blue (mainly), white, and red are also Marian colors.

    [MORE]

    Rojo y negro:

  24. @Endgame Napoleon
    Gamer youngins’ always regard themselves as forward-thinking, but isn’t this just an echo of the old, dusty Apollonian / Dionysian dichotomy from Antiquity? If you can get the gamer youths to Embrace the Wall, “may the power be with you.”

    “but isn’t this just an echo of the old, dusty Apollonian / Dionysian dichotomy from Antiquity”

    I don’t know doodley squat about the game referred to above, but I do know colors and mythology. And you are exactly correct. Apollo the far-seeing is white and sky blue. Dionysus is red/black, the colors of sensuousness, blood and the dark side.

    In the great color yin/yang which I invented in 1970 and which has since appeared on a million tee-shirts–though in a corrupted, garish form–the colors arrange themselves as Earth, Fire, Air and Water. Earth and Fire colors are of course, red, orange and yellow (and the browns) while Air and Water are green, blue and violet. As implied above, the split is in green, with the yellow green on the inner edge of one side of the yin/yang and the blue green on the other.

    (I ain’t just a woofin about inventing the color yin/yang either. I used it on an invitation and did it in beads on a leather vest during my hippie days. I also did a binary-logic, I-Ching tree using the same color scheme, but that’s for some other time. I still have these old paintings. They long predated the tie-dyed tee shirts and are, of course, grounded in a deeper understanding of their significance)

  25. And one more thing. In my study of myth and color, I could not discern any consistent pattern in how any particular culture or civilization interpreted colors. White and black, yes; there was some agreement. But colors? Not so easy. Each culture attached a different meaning to blue, green, yellow and red.

    Nor could I find much in the scientific literature about the effect any particular color has upon brain waves. However, this was back in the 1970’s and maybe more work has been done on this. Anybody know?

    And then there was the old Luscher color test…..

    “The Lüscher color test is a psychological test invented by Dr. Max Lüscher in Basel, Switzerland. Max Lüscher believed that sensory perception of color is objective and universally shared by all, but that color preferences are subjective, and that this distinction allows subjective states to be objectively measured by using test colors. Lüscher believed that because the color selections are guided in an unconscious manner, they reveal the person as they really are, not as they perceive themselves or would like to be perceived.”

    “Lüscher believed that personality traits could be identified based on one’s choice of color. Therefore, subjects who select identical color combinations have similar personalities. In order to measure this, he conducted a test in which subjects were shown 8 different colored cards and asked to place them in order of preference. Colors are divided between “basic” (blue, yellow, red, green) and “auxiliary” (violet, brown, grey, and black).

    Colors Meanings[1][2]
    Blue “Depth of Feeling” passive, concentric, tranquility, calm, tenderness
    Green “Elasticity of Will” passive, concentric, defensive, persistence, self-esteem/assertion, pride, control
    Red “Force of Will” ex-centric, active aggressive, competitive, action, desire, excitement, sexuality
    Yellow “Spontaneity” ex-centric, active, projective, aspiring, expectancy, exhilaration
    Violet “Identification” unrealistic/ wishful fulfillment, charm, enchantment
    Brown Bodily senses, indicates the body’s condition
    Black Nothingness, renunciation, surrender or relinquishment
    Grey Non-involvement and concealment”

    Wiki

  26. @Audacious Epigone
    Very interesting. Do you have a direct link to the results? I see several different pages at the site.

    https://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/poli-compare.html

    This is the next batch, same 10 states, but for Blacks and Hispanics.

    I’d do by gender, but I usually won’t count samples not over a hundred, and that eliminates a lot. That said some of these have higher sample numbers than Hispanic Heritage Gen Z poll or even some mock elections

    Blacks

    Alabama
    Democrat – 33 – 46%
    Republican – 10 – 14%
    Libertarian – 10 – 14%
    Constitution – 0 – 0%
    Green – 2 – 3%
    Independent – 14 – 20%
    Other – 2 – 3%

    Arizona
    Democrat – 51 – 55.5%
    Republican – 14 – 15%
    Libertarian – 6 – 6.5%
    Constitution – 1 – 0.5%
    Green – 3 – 1%
    Independent – 14 – 15%
    Other – 3 – 1%

    California – 482
    Democrat – 268 – 55.5%
    Republican – 66 – 13 5%
    Libertarian – 37 – 7.5%
    Constitution – 3 – 0.5%
    Green – 7 – 1.5%
    Independent – 68 – 14%
    Other – 33 – 7%

    Connecticut – 116
    Democrat – 76 – 65.5%
    Republican – 6 – 5%
    Libertarian – 10 – 8.5%
    Constitution – 0
    Green – 1 – 1%
    Independent – 17 – 14.5%
    Other – 6 -5%

    Florida – 432
    Democrat – 228 – 53%
    Republican – 38 – 9%
    Libertarian – 20 – 4.5%
    Constitution – 4 -1%
    Green – 9 – 2%
    Independent – 104 – 24%
    Other – 29 – 6.5%

    Georgia – 437
    Democrat – 248 – 56.5%
    Republican – 46 – 10 5%
    Libertarian – 39 – 9%
    Constitution – 2 – 0.5%
    Green – 8 – 2%
    Independent – 72 – 16.5%
    Other – 22 -5%

    Hispanics

    Arizona – 481
    Democrat – 181
    Republican – 97
    Libertarian – 43
    Constitution – 2
    Green – 11
    Independent – 114
    Other – 33

    California
    Democrat – 1.5k
    Republican – 564
    Libertarian – 291
    Constitution – 35
    Green – 66
    Independent – 388
    Other – 194

    Colorado
    Democrat – 111
    Republican – 49
    Libertarian – 29
    Constitution – 6
    Green – 4
    Independent – 41
    Other – 20

    Connecticut
    Democrat – 66
    Republican – 33
    Libertarian – 10
    Constitution – 2
    Green – 5
    Independent – 25
    Other – 8

    Florida
    Democrat – 347
    Republican – 349
    Libertarian – 107
    Constitution – 12
    Green – 35
    Independent – 287
    Other – 62

    Georgia
    Democrat – 91
    Republican – 49
    Libertarian – 26
    Constitution – 4
    Green – 3
    Independent – 36
    Other – 10

    I’ll do the next few at some point

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Thanks very much. I definitely have this bookmarked for future reference.
  27. Tusk says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    Black is the color of psychopathy and vampiricism.

    Black (generally) is pretty evil/selfish, but Nahiri who was White goes White/Red and becomes evil during Shadows Over Innistrad, and Sorin Markov who started off monoblack becomes Black/White as he is a good guy technically. That said some planes do differ, such as Mirrodin in which the white creatures following in Elesh Norn reflect a demented and rabid focus on purity. I think card art like Suture Priest reflect the ways in which White can be reflcted as a negative.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The lore is not something I have much familiarity with, but even early on there seemed to be a conscious effort to avoid conflating the light/dark contrast between white and black as with a good/evil contrast that isn't there.

    I think the Alara bloc represents the game's peak in terms of defining the colors and their relationships to one another. The tricolor themes anchored by the central color with allied colors on both flanks (jund = red; esper = blue; etc) was beautifully done.

    The Khans tricolor inversion made a mockery of the whole thing. I understand the perpetual need for novelty, but it's when I lost interest in standard (which corresponded conveniently with things in my personal life, so all for the better).

  28. @Audacious Epigone
    Very interesting. Do you have a direct link to the results? I see several different pages at the site.

    Overall state results. A few stand outs i.e North Carolina being more left on issues than area and West Virginia being left on economics

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Feryl will not be surprised by the map showing support for military interventionism by state.
  29. @GU
    Black is also historically associated with demonic creatures, which again only make sense when juxtaposed with a socio-religious civilization.

    Goblins (red) are not evil in the same way as a demonic horde. The latter’s purpose is to terrorize (civilized) people, the former is merely trying to survive in its own barbaric way.

    Yes, good point. Red is chaos and impulsivity; black is death and darkness.

  30. @Oblivionrecurs
    https://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/poli-compare.html

    This is the next batch, same 10 states, but for Blacks and Hispanics.

    I'd do by gender, but I usually won't count samples not over a hundred, and that eliminates a lot. That said some of these have higher sample numbers than Hispanic Heritage Gen Z poll or even some mock elections

    Blacks

    Alabama
    Democrat - 33 - 46%
    Republican - 10 - 14%
    Libertarian - 10 - 14%
    Constitution - 0 - 0%
    Green - 2 - 3%
    Independent - 14 - 20%
    Other - 2 - 3%

    Arizona
    Democrat - 51 - 55.5%
    Republican - 14 - 15%
    Libertarian - 6 - 6.5%
    Constitution - 1 - 0.5%
    Green - 3 - 1%
    Independent - 14 - 15%
    Other - 3 - 1%


    California - 482
    Democrat - 268 - 55.5%
    Republican - 66 - 13 5%
    Libertarian - 37 - 7.5%
    Constitution - 3 - 0.5%
    Green - 7 - 1.5%
    Independent - 68 - 14%
    Other - 33 - 7%


    Connecticut - 116
    Democrat - 76 - 65.5%
    Republican - 6 - 5%
    Libertarian - 10 - 8.5%
    Constitution - 0
    Green - 1 - 1%
    Independent - 17 - 14.5%
    Other - 6 -5%

    Florida - 432
    Democrat - 228 - 53%
    Republican - 38 - 9%
    Libertarian - 20 - 4.5%
    Constitution - 4 -1%
    Green - 9 - 2%
    Independent - 104 - 24%
    Other - 29 - 6.5%

    Georgia - 437
    Democrat - 248 - 56.5%
    Republican - 46 - 10 5%
    Libertarian - 39 - 9%
    Constitution - 2 - 0.5%
    Green - 8 - 2%
    Independent - 72 - 16.5%
    Other - 22 -5%

    Hispanics

    Arizona - 481
    Democrat - 181
    Republican - 97
    Libertarian - 43
    Constitution - 2
    Green - 11
    Independent - 114
    Other - 33

    California
    Democrat - 1.5k
    Republican - 564
    Libertarian - 291
    Constitution - 35
    Green - 66
    Independent - 388
    Other - 194

    Colorado
    Democrat - 111
    Republican - 49
    Libertarian - 29
    Constitution - 6
    Green - 4
    Independent - 41
    Other - 20

    Connecticut
    Democrat - 66
    Republican - 33
    Libertarian - 10
    Constitution - 2
    Green - 5
    Independent - 25
    Other - 8

    Florida
    Democrat - 347
    Republican - 349
    Libertarian - 107
    Constitution - 12
    Green - 35
    Independent - 287
    Other - 62

    Georgia
    Democrat - 91
    Republican - 49
    Libertarian - 26
    Constitution - 4
    Green - 3
    Independent - 36
    Other - 10

    I'll do the next few at some point

    Thanks very much. I definitely have this bookmarked for future reference.

  31. @Tusk
    Black (generally) is pretty evil/selfish, but Nahiri who was White goes White/Red and becomes evil during Shadows Over Innistrad, and Sorin Markov who started off monoblack becomes Black/White as he is a good guy technically. That said some planes do differ, such as Mirrodin in which the white creatures following in Elesh Norn reflect a demented and rabid focus on purity. I think card art like Suture Priest reflect the ways in which White can be reflcted as a negative.

    The lore is not something I have much familiarity with, but even early on there seemed to be a conscious effort to avoid conflating the light/dark contrast between white and black as with a good/evil contrast that isn’t there.

    I think the Alara bloc represents the game’s peak in terms of defining the colors and their relationships to one another. The tricolor themes anchored by the central color with allied colors on both flanks (jund = red; esper = blue; etc) was beautifully done.

    The Khans tricolor inversion made a mockery of the whole thing. I understand the perpetual need for novelty, but it’s when I lost interest in standard (which corresponded conveniently with things in my personal life, so all for the better).

  32. @Oblivionrecurs
    Overall state results. A few stand outs i.e North Carolina being more left on issues than area and West Virginia being left on economics

    http://magaimg.net/img/7wvx.png

    http://magaimg.net/img/7ww0.png

    http://magaimg.net/img/7ww3.png

    http://magaimg.net/img/7ww5.png

    Feryl will not be surprised by the map showing support for military interventionism by state.

  33. Gaming has become extremely converged over the last few years. Which is remarkable because it’s not even a big industry. And it’s escapism for white boys and young men who otherwise might be paying attention to girls, or even politics. A truly Machiavellian left would leave these white hobbies alone, so the guys playing them can continue to hide from the world and remain irrelevant while they are being dispossessed. But they can’t help themselves—it’s an evangelical religion—no one is safe, no where to hide.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I've not kept up with the wider industry in the least, and even with M:TG my knowledge is lacking. Was Gamergate a pyrrhic victory for keeping gaming free?
    , @Anonymous
    You're retarded if you think that white boys are the only ones gaming.

    A significant minority of gamers are non-white boys. In fact, I would not be surprised if some non-whites had higher per-capita rates of playing MTG than whites.
  34. @Jan Assman
    Gaming has become extremely converged over the last few years. Which is remarkable because it’s not even a big industry. And it’s escapism for white boys and young men who otherwise might be paying attention to girls, or even politics. A truly Machiavellian left would leave these white hobbies alone, so the guys playing them can continue to hide from the world and remain irrelevant while they are being dispossessed. But they can’t help themselves—it’s an evangelical religion—no one is safe, no where to hide.

    I’ve not kept up with the wider industry in the least, and even with M:TG my knowledge is lacking. Was Gamergate a pyrrhic victory for keeping gaming free?

  35. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jan Assman
    Gaming has become extremely converged over the last few years. Which is remarkable because it’s not even a big industry. And it’s escapism for white boys and young men who otherwise might be paying attention to girls, or even politics. A truly Machiavellian left would leave these white hobbies alone, so the guys playing them can continue to hide from the world and remain irrelevant while they are being dispossessed. But they can’t help themselves—it’s an evangelical religion—no one is safe, no where to hide.

    You’re retarded if you think that white boys are the only ones gaming.

    A significant minority of gamers are non-white boys. In fact, I would not be surprised if some non-whites had higher per-capita rates of playing MTG than whites.

  36. I know there are non white gamers you pissant. I didn’t mention them because they’re not the targets of the racial rape/murder revenge fantasy which is “diversity”(and also because, frankly, I just don’t care about them).

    As for Gamergate, I don’t see how it has had any big effect. In fact it has been similar to Trump’s election for the larger society: it energized a lot of shitlin lunatics in online rags like Kotaku and Polygon to target insufficiently “woke” products and people for censure and censorship.

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