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Candace Owens, in true millennial form, calls white privilege a myth:

A potential takeaway from the Smollett hoax: Black, Jewish, Gay, and Elite privileges > White privilege.

We scoff when Conservative, Inc says the right shouldn’t do identity politics like the left does because principles. The same self-defeating argument can be made about not playing the victim card like the left does, again because principles. Well, sometimes Interests > Principles.

One of the major reasons Trump won the Republican nomination and ultimately the presidency is because he has never had any qualms about portraying himself as a victim. There is a time to weaponize anti-whiteness because sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

 
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  1. There is perhaps some rational apprehension to using victimhood politics:

    It comes off as decidedly un-masculine, which is bad news for the “male party”. On a broader level I think victimhood also eliminates the needed self-reflection.

    -White Americans are the primary cause of the drug problem

    -Conservatives have been the biggest cheerleaders of the endless war

    -The right has been hypocritical and ineffective when it comes to victimhood, routinely chiding SJWs for being emotionally weak, and is awful at sustaining boycotts.

    Recall that young liberals are the most likely to identify as “activists”.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    There is perhaps some rational apprehension to using victimhood politics:

    It comes off as decidedly un-masculine, which is bad news for the “male party”. On a broader level I think victimhood also eliminates the needed self-reflection.
     
    I agree wholeheartedly.

    And as a rule, I oppose imitating blacks. Identity politics might have turned out well for a few black politicians, but how has it turned out for ordinary blacks?

    On the other hand, there are instances where magnifying the malice of the Establishment can be handy in rallying the majority of the population. But that's not so much playing the victim as insisting on that quaint concept of justice.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    All good points, per usual.

    -White Americans are the primary cause of the drug problem

    There are problems non-whites are the cause of. Whites are blamed anyway, to the detriment of white interests.

    -Conservatives have been the biggest cheerleaders of the endless war

    The ground is starting to shift on cheerleading for endless war.

    -The right has been hypocritical and ineffective when it comes to victimhood, routinely chiding SJWs for being emotionally weak, and is awful at sustaining boycotts.

    The SJWs do the crybully thing quite well, claiming victimization while simultaneously going on the offensive.

    Recall that young liberals are the most likely to identify as “activists”

    Isn't that why they're winning?
  2. It was not part of their blood,
    It came to them very late,
    With long arrears to make good,
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,
    They were icy — willing to wait
    Till every count should be proved,
    Ere the Saxon began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low.
    Their eyes were level and straight.
    There was neither sign nor show
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    the Saxon began to hate.
     
    And, yet, the English are about half British (or Brythonic, Celtic, etc.) and half Germanic (Saxon + Norman). Too many hybrids for the hate!

    Of course, it all makes sense once you realize the Kipling intended the object of that Saxon hatred to be... the Germans.
  3. @216
    There is perhaps some rational apprehension to using victimhood politics:

    It comes off as decidedly un-masculine, which is bad news for the "male party". On a broader level I think victimhood also eliminates the needed self-reflection.

    -White Americans are the primary cause of the drug problem

    -Conservatives have been the biggest cheerleaders of the endless war

    -The right has been hypocritical and ineffective when it comes to victimhood, routinely chiding SJWs for being emotionally weak, and is awful at sustaining boycotts.

    Recall that young liberals are the most likely to identify as "activists".

    There is perhaps some rational apprehension to using victimhood politics:

    It comes off as decidedly un-masculine, which is bad news for the “male party”. On a broader level I think victimhood also eliminates the needed self-reflection.

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    And as a rule, I oppose imitating blacks. Identity politics might have turned out well for a few black politicians, but how has it turned out for ordinary blacks?

    On the other hand, there are instances where magnifying the malice of the Establishment can be handy in rallying the majority of the population. But that’s not so much playing the victim as insisting on that quaint concept of justice.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Most things are most effective in moderation!
  4. One of the major reasons Trump won the Republican nomination and ultimately the presidency is because he has never had any qualms about portraying himself as a victim.

    Hmmm. I always thought that what appeal Trump elicited wasn’t so much about portraying himself as a victim, but about having a devil-may-care attitude toward the rules of the Establishment and refusing to play by them.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Hmmm. I always thought that what appeal Trump elicited wasn’t so much about portraying himself as a victim, but about having a devil-may-care attitude toward the rules of the Establishment and refusing to play by them.
     
    Agreed. Trump has played the iconoclast on Twitter, although his actions have mostly been fairly restrained, with a handful of showy exceptions, like Jerusalem and the Golan.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Undoubtedly that was another major reason. Scott Adams went into some detail on the victim portrayal Trump leveraged so effectively years ago. I'll try to find it.
  5. @14WordsToFreedom
    It was not part of their blood,
    It came to them very late,
    With long arrears to make good,
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,
    They were icy -- willing to wait
    Till every count should be proved,
    Ere the Saxon began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low.
    Their eyes were level and straight.
    There was neither sign nor show
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    the Saxon began to hate.

    And, yet, the English are about half British (or Brythonic, Celtic, etc.) and half Germanic (Saxon + Norman). Too many hybrids for the hate!

    Of course, it all makes sense once you realize the Kipling intended the object of that Saxon hatred to be… the Germans.

  6. You stupid imbecile. It’s not because of principles, whatever they are, that ID politics is a bunch of crap. It’s because it is a bunch of crap, you imbecile.

    The trillionaires and their CIA thank you for going on and on and on about how blacks are inferior while the trillionaires and the CIA steal your money. Keep it up. You are doing your country, or at least its owners, a great service, you unbelievable don’t know where you own interests lie hack.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Truth
    Obie, you hit this one dead center.

    Sorry Audie
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Identity politics and the primacy of interests over principles become seeming necessities when the alternative is to unilaterally disarm. In a "majority-minority" democracy, what other option is there? Avoid democracy or avoid "majority-minority" and they're unnecessary. Have both, and they become requirements.
  7. @obwandiyag
    You stupid imbecile. It's not because of principles, whatever they are, that ID politics is a bunch of crap. It's because it is a bunch of crap, you imbecile.

    The trillionaires and their CIA thank you for going on and on and on about how blacks are inferior while the trillionaires and the CIA steal your money. Keep it up. You are doing your country, or at least its owners, a great service, you unbelievable don't know where you own interests lie hack.

    Obie, you hit this one dead center.

    Sorry Audie

  8. @Twinkie

    One of the major reasons Trump won the Republican nomination and ultimately the presidency is because he has never had any qualms about portraying himself as a victim.
     
    Hmmm. I always thought that what appeal Trump elicited wasn't so much about portraying himself as a victim, but about having a devil-may-care attitude toward the rules of the Establishment and refusing to play by them.

    Hmmm. I always thought that what appeal Trump elicited wasn’t so much about portraying himself as a victim, but about having a devil-may-care attitude toward the rules of the Establishment and refusing to play by them.

    Agreed. Trump has played the iconoclast on Twitter, although his actions have mostly been fairly restrained, with a handful of showy exceptions, like Jerusalem and the Golan.

  9. Take a look at both feeds. Which do you find to be more compelling and respectable?

    I’d say 100% of the time that DSA comes off looking better, and its no surprise that they are the most popular political club in the universities.

    Note that TP is criticizing BDS, a foreign movement, and not DSA a domestic movement.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  10. @216
    There is perhaps some rational apprehension to using victimhood politics:

    It comes off as decidedly un-masculine, which is bad news for the "male party". On a broader level I think victimhood also eliminates the needed self-reflection.

    -White Americans are the primary cause of the drug problem

    -Conservatives have been the biggest cheerleaders of the endless war

    -The right has been hypocritical and ineffective when it comes to victimhood, routinely chiding SJWs for being emotionally weak, and is awful at sustaining boycotts.

    Recall that young liberals are the most likely to identify as "activists".

    All good points, per usual.

    -White Americans are the primary cause of the drug problem

    There are problems non-whites are the cause of. Whites are blamed anyway, to the detriment of white interests.

    -Conservatives have been the biggest cheerleaders of the endless war

    The ground is starting to shift on cheerleading for endless war.

    -The right has been hypocritical and ineffective when it comes to victimhood, routinely chiding SJWs for being emotionally weak, and is awful at sustaining boycotts.

    The SJWs do the crybully thing quite well, claiming victimization while simultaneously going on the offensive.

    Recall that young liberals are the most likely to identify as “activists”

    Isn’t that why they’re winning?

  11. @Twinkie

    There is perhaps some rational apprehension to using victimhood politics:

    It comes off as decidedly un-masculine, which is bad news for the “male party”. On a broader level I think victimhood also eliminates the needed self-reflection.
     
    I agree wholeheartedly.

    And as a rule, I oppose imitating blacks. Identity politics might have turned out well for a few black politicians, but how has it turned out for ordinary blacks?

    On the other hand, there are instances where magnifying the malice of the Establishment can be handy in rallying the majority of the population. But that's not so much playing the victim as insisting on that quaint concept of justice.

    Most things are most effective in moderation!

  12. @Twinkie

    One of the major reasons Trump won the Republican nomination and ultimately the presidency is because he has never had any qualms about portraying himself as a victim.
     
    Hmmm. I always thought that what appeal Trump elicited wasn't so much about portraying himself as a victim, but about having a devil-may-care attitude toward the rules of the Establishment and refusing to play by them.

    Undoubtedly that was another major reason. Scott Adams went into some detail on the victim portrayal Trump leveraged so effectively years ago. I’ll try to find it.

  13. @obwandiyag
    You stupid imbecile. It's not because of principles, whatever they are, that ID politics is a bunch of crap. It's because it is a bunch of crap, you imbecile.

    The trillionaires and their CIA thank you for going on and on and on about how blacks are inferior while the trillionaires and the CIA steal your money. Keep it up. You are doing your country, or at least its owners, a great service, you unbelievable don't know where you own interests lie hack.

    Identity politics and the primacy of interests over principles become seeming necessities when the alternative is to unilaterally disarm. In a “majority-minority” democracy, what other option is there? Avoid democracy or avoid “majority-minority” and they’re unnecessary. Have both, and they become requirements.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    You didn't even read my post. Which makes you just like almost everybody on here. Almost all their responses, like yours, are non sequitur. Although yours is also incomprehensible. But comprehensible or not, it does not refer to my post. It refers to the voice in your head.
  14. Anonymous [AKA "Baron Bagel"] says:

    I’ve never doubted the rhetorical effectiveness of playing the victim, but part of me also feels that trying to work the racial grievance angle from the right is simply playing into the left’s frame. They know that they have indoctrinated generations upon generations on this issue and thus appear to have the moral high ground in the minds of the average person. Using boomer-tier denunciations of “identity politics” is actually a rather clever reframe because it plays into both the deracinated, indivdualist nature of your average white as well as the status-jockeying inherent in American culture, particularly among those who support “meritocracy.” It’s an attempt at making the left appear low-class.

    Obviously, that’s not the direction a nationalist wants to go in, though. It’s hard to think of a proper way to frame this, especially given the wignat stereotype that the media has propped up. There’s got to be a way to go “with the current,” so to speak in making nationalist appeals. Playing the race card for whites is swimming upstream.

  15. @Audacious Epigone
    Identity politics and the primacy of interests over principles become seeming necessities when the alternative is to unilaterally disarm. In a "majority-minority" democracy, what other option is there? Avoid democracy or avoid "majority-minority" and they're unnecessary. Have both, and they become requirements.

    You didn’t even read my post. Which makes you just like almost everybody on here. Almost all their responses, like yours, are non sequitur. Although yours is also incomprehensible. But comprehensible or not, it does not refer to my post. It refers to the voice in your head.

  16. It refers to the voice in your head.

    We can trust you on this because you should know.

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