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Previously on SBPDL: White United States Air Force Chief of Staff Argues Racial Diversity Is “Warfighting Imperative” Because a Black Airmen Taught Him Bandaids Were Racist

Off we go, into the wild blue yonder, climbing high into the sun…

The United States Air Force no longer cares about maintaining superiority over the skies, but ensuring whites no longer have dominance over them. Just read the opening line of this story from the Air Force Times, almost an apology for the US Air Force’s control of the world’s aerospace due to its embarrassing whiteness. [To grow new, diverse generation of pilots, Air Force, lawmakers eye flight training for JROTC, Air Force Times, April 4, 2019]:

The population of pilots in the aviation industry — including the Air Force — remains very white, and very male. And that lack of diversity worries the Air Force.

But now the Air Force, and a bipartisan pair of senators, are hoping to sow the seeds of a future, more diverse generation of pilots by training young people in the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps how to fly.

About 6 percent of the population of pilots in the aviation industry are women, according to the Air Force, and about 10 percent are minorities. The Air Force’s own cadre of pilots is also about 6 percent female, and 7 percent are minorities.

Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday that while it has no problem finding airmen who want to learn how to fly, there is a disproportionately low presence of women and minorities among those volunteering.

To try to turn this around, Sens. Tom Cotton, R-Arkansas, and Doug Jones, D-Alabama, this week introduced the Ceiling and Visibility Unlimited Act, which aims to make it easier for all branches of the military to create scholarships for JROTC members to get their private pilot’s licenses.

This is what the Air Force did in 2018, when it created the JROTC Flight Academy’s Chief of Staff Private Pilot Scholarship Program. That summer, about 120 high school students received scholarships — paid for with excess Air Force funds — to attend roughly seven-week flight schools, Wilson said.

About 90 percent of those young people succeeded in obtaining their pilot’s licenses, Wilson told Jones. They made no commitment to join the Air Force, she said, but because they were in JROTC, they’ve at least shown some interest in the military.

And since about 58 percent of JROTC members are minorities, Wilson said, such a flying scholarship program could help reach those populations. Jones’ office also said 40 percent of JROTC members are women.

The Air Force said in a recent release that 10 young women, who earned their pilot wings from the JROTC Flight Academy program last summer, attended the Women in Aviation International Conference in Long Beach, California, in March. Six of those 10 cadets said they want to become military pilots, and four of them received Air Force ROTC scholarships.

Lt. Col. Willie Allen, director of the Air Force Junior ROTC Flight Academy, said 25 percent of those who received flight school scholarships last year were women or minorities.

In 2019, in the current year of wokeness, pilots in the U.S. Air Force are 93 percent white. This can’t be, for it reinforces uncomfortable stereotypes long ago retired to ensure the notion ‘diversity is our strength.’

The war on whiteness must be waged on every segment of American society, even on the overwhelmingly white pilots of the U.S. Air Force who maintain hegemony over the skies.

Diversity is not a strength. If it were, the U.S. Air Force wouldn’t be worried about the lack thereof, when the almost all-white pilots represent the best in Air Force in the entire world.

 
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  1. I passed my check ride first try. In a plane I didn’t have a lot of time in. I’m a white male. Does this mean I’m a bad person?

    • Replies: @CW2isComing
    No, it means that you are a racist, plain & simple. You needed to deliberately dumb down your performance so as to not so flagrantly display your white privilege and white nationalism. Clearly, your success must be based on your suppression of persons of color.

    Passing you first check ride? You didn't build that; somebody else built that!
    , @Bruce County
    Not only are you a bad person.. you are over qualified... you need to step away from any plans of flight and give it to the far superior black pilot. We know from ancient African history that flight was discovered in the Sub Saharan Cantinent by a technologically and far superior race. It only stands to reason; based on this knowledge alone, we should be allowing the masters of flight to rule the airways as they did in their past. Only then can America truly rule the worlds skies.
    , @arkie guide
    Race should not have a dam think to do with promotion to pilot - concentrate on getting the best in the pilots seat.I flew a small single engine airplane, and realized I was not good material for a jet pilot.This race thing should be over with in this our USA.
    , @Robertsgt40
    Recruiting pilots is not quite the same as staffing the post office.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Congratulations, Mr. Tinker! Did your instructor cut out the back of your shirt like in the old times?

    I'm late to this thread but did want to remark that that Tom Cotton bill does nothing but give non-white-men free private pilot certificates. How's AA feel, when you sweated out every 0.1 hr click on that Hobbs meter?
  2. I’m offended that there are no midgets on the Olympic high jump team, no 400 pound women in the pole vaulting event and no 350 pound men running in the 220 yard dash. To make matters even more offensive, neither of the latter two are on the high dive teams. Outrageous! It also irritates me to no end that there are no blind people on the archery team. The lack of diversity is horrendous and shocking! And where are the parapalegic ice skaters and ski jumpers, I might ask?!? Are any of these people less deserving of a spot in the Olympics? If unqualified negroes deserve to be Air Force pilots then surely these people deserve to be treated equally too! Hmmph!

    • Replies: @atlantis_dweller
    No need for the term "Negro", though, and surely we are much more in need of females (especially childless and owning from 3 to 5 cats as well as graduated in the social sciences. Ideally with 2 or more abortions already accomplished) than blacks to fly military aircraft.
    , @Val
    Why do you think you have a 'right not to be offended'? It doesn't exist.
  3. Worrying? Nah – Reassuring!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Worrying? Nah – Reassuring!
     
    Yeah, over the past four decades white males have shown themselves a reliable and compliant group who will not hesitate in bombing and killing millions on behalf of the globalist empire. Even when such actions run completely counter to traditional Christian morality and just war theory. And even if it involves killing other Christians.
  4. Do female pilots of jets have to wear a “diaper”??

  5. A US Navy ship sailed into a cargo ship in part because two women on duty had a falling out and weren’t talking to each other.  And these clowns think those ill-trained, hyper-emotional types are ready to fight wars?!

    These diversicrats and feminists are traitors.

    • Agree: Bubba, Achmed E. Newman
  6. tell me again how sexuality, skin, plumbing, “religion” constitute effective criteria for anything

  7. The real issue with being a pilot or special forces in the military is that it’s a shitload of extra work and responsibility for zero extra pay. This simply doesn’t appeal to the common African. Of course your outlier (far right of the bellcurve) type African knows he can have it all his own way, write your ticket if you’re a negro and have human-like abilities. Government agencies, non-profits, and fortune 500 alike will fight tooth and nail to get you on their diversity montage posters. Literally be an African and just not fuck thinks up too much and commit major crimes on the job and you’re set with a very comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle.

    So apart from the occasional “looks at muh” stunt, none of them really care to put much effort into anything if there’s no promise of immediate reward.

    I’m sure one of you folks could write a letter to Air Force Chief of Staff General (((David Goldfein))) and ask him what it is that white men haven’t been able to do correctly. That would be a great followup to this.

    • Replies: @Piglet
    "The real issue with being a pilot or special forces in the military is that it’s a shitload of extra work and responsibility for zero extra pay."

    Not true. Aviators receive flight pay which is quite generous. SF personnel receive jump pay, but no one is in the SF just for that. SF guys are in the SF because they want to be in the SF.

    Unless pilot training is dumbed down, the percentage of flying dindus will remain very small. USAF pilot training, an extremely challenging course, goes on for a year, and that's followed by months more training on a specific type of aircraft. When one finally arrives at a flying squadron there's constant upgrade training to enhance skills and take on further responsibilities. This is in addition to attending more training courses, going on deployments, etc. Yes, aviators receive flight pay but they earn it, and those who lacks the smarts and flying skills are typically eliminated within the first few months. Dummies don't even get through the door to start.

    I suspect this effort to raise the percentage of women and dindus (while decreasing the dreaded whiteness of the force) will end in failure. Most women simply aren't interested in this kind of life and most dindus just don't qualify.

    Flying is something you can't fake and bluff your way through, especially military flying. Even among those who become pilots, there are numerous crashes and fatalities. A few decades ago, when I was stationed at an overseas base for four years, the wing lost two aircraft each year, almost invariably accompanied by pilot deaths. Things go from "very bad" to "much worse" very quickly and even very good pilots can get killed. Put a bunch of lousy ones in the force and you'll see the accident rates spike.
    , @Anon
    Actually pilots (among pthers) get extra pay. Hazardous duty pay, flight pay (if you don't fly enough it's a problem, higher rank = less hours needed than lower ranking). Aircrew pay (and rest) as well as bonuses for staying in are all paid.

    The funny thing is that when I was in, a lot of blacks were on the drill team. The times I had to watch the drill team were awful! Blacks doing the most high-steppin' militaristic drill ever witnessed.

    Why did the blacks do this? Drill team got to make extra money travelling for funerals, it helped with promotions and drill team members didn't go to the base clinic as they went to Flight Medicine. Flight Medicine was for pilots and flight crews so even if you were a low level nothing on the drill team you were given better medical care.
    , @Feedsackroad
    blockquote>Literally be an African and just not fuck thinks up too much and commit major crimes on the job and you’re set with a very comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle.
     Even with the bar set low a lifestyle out of reach.
  8. Slightly OT, but I just got home from taking my car through the emissions test. I’m offended and triggered because of the lack of diversity there. Every single person working was black! Oh, the HUMANITY!!

    And, slowly but surely, technology is marching on, and it looks like even more of them will be out of a job soon. This particular emissions station now has a lane with a self-service kiosk. First time I’ve seen that at an emissions station, but I’m sure it’s going to catch on and spread. So, more of these low-level, mostly-black jobs lost, and I’m sure at least a few of them will be put on the government dole.

    • Replies: @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Slightly OT, but I just got home from taking my car through the emissions test. I’m offended and triggered because of the lack of diversity there. Every single person working was black! Oh, the HUMANITY!!
     
    Don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I believe that you meant "employee". Far more succinct and accurate.

    In my state, if your "check engine" light is not on, your car passed emissions. On modern cars, if there is any sort of emissions problem, the idiot light is triggered. This simplification makes it possible for negroes to be employed in this make work environment. The treadmill and tail pipe probe is purely for show.
  9. I don’t get it, do parents really want their daughters flying combat missions in wars? I don’t know a single parent who wants their daughters anywhere near the military, and most don’t even want their sons to join. It’s got to be the childless hags who’ve come up with this nonsense. The girls who couldn’t get a date so they joined the student government to stay busy. Crazy stuff.

  10. I’m sure the Chinese and Russians are applauding this. Now, taking down groid aircraft will be like the cleche’ “shooting fish in a barrel”. Dominance of the skies will become a thing of the past.

  11. @Non PC Infidel
    I'm offended that there are no midgets on the Olympic high jump team, no 400 pound women in the pole vaulting event and no 350 pound men running in the 220 yard dash. To make matters even more offensive, neither of the latter two are on the high dive teams. Outrageous! It also irritates me to no end that there are no blind people on the archery team. The lack of diversity is horrendous and shocking! And where are the parapalegic ice skaters and ski jumpers, I might ask?!? Are any of these people less deserving of a spot in the Olympics? If unqualified negroes deserve to be Air Force pilots then surely these people deserve to be treated equally too! Hmmph!

    No need for the term “Negro”, though, and surely we are much more in need of females (especially childless and owning from 3 to 5 cats as well as graduated in the social sciences. Ideally with 2 or more abortions already accomplished) than blacks to fly military aircraft.

  12. @Tinker
    I passed my check ride first try. In a plane I didn’t have a lot of time in. I’m a white male. Does this mean I’m a bad person?

    No, it means that you are a racist, plain & simple. You needed to deliberately dumb down your performance so as to not so flagrantly display your white privilege and white nationalism. Clearly, your success must be based on your suppression of persons of color.

    Passing you first check ride? You didn’t build that; somebody else built that!

    • Agree: atlantis_dweller
  13. Their real problem, like all the rest of the military, is too many poor dumb fucks who can’t get a real job.

  14. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    Hard-working black people with average to above average intelligence are in extremely short supply. These blacks are vigorously sought after in every prestigious field to satisfy diversity quotas.

    That being said, why would one of these top percentile blacks go into a dangerous field like being an Air Force pilot where a ton of extra work is required with relatively little monetary compensation in return. These same blacks would be shoo-ins to any elite medical school or law school in the country and instantly get hired into high level (but ceremonial) administrative positions that involve six or seven figure salaries and a lot of travel and public appearances. Most of us if given those two avenues would choose the latter, save for the extremely dedicated (which again would be extremely rare to nonexistent in the black population). And if Air Force fighter piloting is getting shorted by the elite black ranks, is there any surprise why there aren’t any blacks available who can pass the tests to become firefighters or police?

    Because of this phenomenon, blacks mainly are employed in jobs with either extremely high or extremely low prestige. The rest, the so-called “black middle class”, consists of those with redundant government jobs with little individual responsibility, those with “managerial” positions in business/service industry that involve little work or customer interaction, or those who have been taken into positions that are far over their heads.

    OT–an idiotic (and I presume drunk) white was paying for people’s meals and handing out 20 dollar bills at a Waffle House in Florida at 3 in the morning. A black woman got upset that she didn’t get a fair share of the “reparations”, so her man went out to his car, got a gun, and shot the white guy in the head:

    https://newsbreakinglive.com/2019/04/09/florida-good-samaritan-shot-dead-after-picking-up-tabs-at-waffle-house/

  15. @Paintjob Theory
    The real issue with being a pilot or special forces in the military is that it's a shitload of extra work and responsibility for zero extra pay. This simply doesn't appeal to the common African. Of course your outlier (far right of the bellcurve) type African knows he can have it all his own way, write your ticket if you're a negro and have human-like abilities. Government agencies, non-profits, and fortune 500 alike will fight tooth and nail to get you on their diversity montage posters. Literally be an African and just not fuck thinks up too much and commit major crimes on the job and you're set with a very comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle.

    So apart from the occasional "looks at muh" stunt, none of them really care to put much effort into anything if there's no promise of immediate reward.

    I'm sure one of you folks could write a letter to Air Force Chief of Staff General (((David Goldfein))) and ask him what it is that white men haven't been able to do correctly. That would be a great followup to this.

    “The real issue with being a pilot or special forces in the military is that it’s a shitload of extra work and responsibility for zero extra pay.”

    Not true. Aviators receive flight pay which is quite generous. SF personnel receive jump pay, but no one is in the SF just for that. SF guys are in the SF because they want to be in the SF.

    Unless pilot training is dumbed down, the percentage of flying dindus will remain very small. USAF pilot training, an extremely challenging course, goes on for a year, and that’s followed by months more training on a specific type of aircraft. When one finally arrives at a flying squadron there’s constant upgrade training to enhance skills and take on further responsibilities. This is in addition to attending more training courses, going on deployments, etc. Yes, aviators receive flight pay but they earn it, and those who lacks the smarts and flying skills are typically eliminated within the first few months. Dummies don’t even get through the door to start.

    I suspect this effort to raise the percentage of women and dindus (while decreasing the dreaded whiteness of the force) will end in failure. Most women simply aren’t interested in this kind of life and most dindus just don’t qualify.

    Flying is something you can’t fake and bluff your way through, especially military flying. Even among those who become pilots, there are numerous crashes and fatalities. A few decades ago, when I was stationed at an overseas base for four years, the wing lost two aircraft each year, almost invariably accompanied by pilot deaths. Things go from “very bad” to “much worse” very quickly and even very good pilots can get killed. Put a bunch of lousy ones in the force and you’ll see the accident rates spike.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    The Flying Dindus - would be a great name for a circus act.
  16. • Replies: @Anonymous0619
    They don’t talk about PSA Flight 1771 much either:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

    Black employee (fired for theft) sneaks a gun on board, kills the pilots and deliberately crashes the plane. 43 dead...

    But hey, did you hear about Emmett Till?

  17. I saw a similar news story some 20 years ago which said something like “The Air Force is too white. We will increase diversity.”

    Two decades or so later Air Force pilots are 93 % white despite not inconsiderable efforts to “diversify.”

    • Replies: @Piglet
    They can say "we need to increase diversity" but they can't simply create flying talent. If it's not in you, then you're not going to be a military pilot. They'll have more success at teaching cats to bark and dogs to say "Meow" than they will in making aviators out of dindus.
  18. @Tinker
    I passed my check ride first try. In a plane I didn’t have a lot of time in. I’m a white male. Does this mean I’m a bad person?

    Not only are you a bad person.. you are over qualified… you need to step away from any plans of flight and give it to the far superior black pilot. We know from ancient African history that flight was discovered in the Sub Saharan Cantinent by a technologically and far superior race. It only stands to reason; based on this knowledge alone, we should be allowing the masters of flight to rule the airways as they did in their past. Only then can America truly rule the worlds skies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous0619
    Orville and Wilbur Wright went on safari in Africa around 1910 and stole the secrets of flight from the black man while they were there.

    “We wuz pilots n sheeit!”
  19. I want the best people in the job not hired for their color or sex, make a test, if you pass you get the job, nothing further needs to be done.

  20. Suspect from mall of america tossed a White 5 year old boy from 3rd floor. “#prayersfor landon” is the search to see the young bou5’s picture.

    Here is the suspect, who has “anger issues”.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-suspect-push-child-mall-of-america-minnesota-ban-20190413-gxifty3xlfgn7hsrrlmeyejlym-story.html?outputType=amp

    • Replies: @NYMOM
    Shopping malls have actually become quite dangerous. We had a case in New York City recently where two teenaged boys pushed a shopping cart off the top tier of one and hit a woman below in the head causing traumatic brain injury which she has never fully recovered from...her case against the Shopping Mall has just been settled (for lack of security to prevent someone tossing a shopping cart of the top tier)...she received millions...

    Like this is the latest trend: you not only have to arrest the perps after they commit the crime but you have stop them for what they might do...

    Mini riots and "wilding type" event from bands of roving teens take place constantly in these places.

    Use Amazon...
    , @Mr. Rational

    Here is the suspect, who has “anger issues”.
     
    Needs to be given "body-temperature issues", beginning with a public elevation to at least 350 F while attached to a stake, followed by cooling to ambient.  That may induce sufficient fear into the rest to preclude such deadly attacks in the future.  May.
  21. Very simple to do this.

    Lower the standards until numerous women and africans can fly a plane, enough, that crashes and deaths are “acceptable”

    This requires permitting more crashes, so I would say, 1 crash per 1,000 flight hours would be a good start.

    • Replies: @dvorak

    This requires permitting more crashes, so I would say, 1 crash per 1,000 flight hours would be a good start.
     
    Add to this, broken window economics: Our valued defense contractor community would make a mint building replacement aircraft.
  22. @David In TN
    I saw a similar news story some 20 years ago which said something like "The Air Force is too white. We will increase diversity."

    Two decades or so later Air Force pilots are 93 % white despite not inconsiderable efforts to "diversify."

    They can say “we need to increase diversity” but they can’t simply create flying talent. If it’s not in you, then you’re not going to be a military pilot. They’ll have more success at teaching cats to bark and dogs to say “Meow” than they will in making aviators out of dindus.

  23. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    Nearly 58% of JROTC participants are minorities. Only 25% of the flight school graduates were minority-themed Americans.

    The planes the keeeids learned to fly were far more complex than the pyramids their ancestors flew. Now look at the picture of the pilot and his crew chief up above. Now, go from flyable pyramid to Cessna and then make the jump to the complexity of a modern military aircraft. Now imagine flying it at night, in formation as part of a coordinated attack, your autopilot kicks off and you have warnings from your electrical system (generator) and as well as a warning that hydraulic pressure is dropping , etc…

    Plenty of pilots act like their crap don’t stink. Some folks can understand why they might feel that way. You wanna talk multi-tasking and concentration? 😉

  24. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paintjob Theory
    The real issue with being a pilot or special forces in the military is that it's a shitload of extra work and responsibility for zero extra pay. This simply doesn't appeal to the common African. Of course your outlier (far right of the bellcurve) type African knows he can have it all his own way, write your ticket if you're a negro and have human-like abilities. Government agencies, non-profits, and fortune 500 alike will fight tooth and nail to get you on their diversity montage posters. Literally be an African and just not fuck thinks up too much and commit major crimes on the job and you're set with a very comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle.

    So apart from the occasional "looks at muh" stunt, none of them really care to put much effort into anything if there's no promise of immediate reward.

    I'm sure one of you folks could write a letter to Air Force Chief of Staff General (((David Goldfein))) and ask him what it is that white men haven't been able to do correctly. That would be a great followup to this.

    Actually pilots (among pthers) get extra pay. Hazardous duty pay, flight pay (if you don’t fly enough it’s a problem, higher rank = less hours needed than lower ranking). Aircrew pay (and rest) as well as bonuses for staying in are all paid.

    The funny thing is that when I was in, a lot of blacks were on the drill team. The times I had to watch the drill team were awful! Blacks doing the most high-steppin’ militaristic drill ever witnessed.

    Why did the blacks do this? Drill team got to make extra money travelling for funerals, it helped with promotions and drill team members didn’t go to the base clinic as they went to Flight Medicine. Flight Medicine was for pilots and flight crews so even if you were a low level nothing on the drill team you were given better medical care.

  25. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    I doubt they could be trained to be adequate kamikaze pilots, what with all the taking off and navigation involved.

  26. @Paintjob Theory
    The real issue with being a pilot or special forces in the military is that it's a shitload of extra work and responsibility for zero extra pay. This simply doesn't appeal to the common African. Of course your outlier (far right of the bellcurve) type African knows he can have it all his own way, write your ticket if you're a negro and have human-like abilities. Government agencies, non-profits, and fortune 500 alike will fight tooth and nail to get you on their diversity montage posters. Literally be an African and just not fuck thinks up too much and commit major crimes on the job and you're set with a very comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle.

    So apart from the occasional "looks at muh" stunt, none of them really care to put much effort into anything if there's no promise of immediate reward.

    I'm sure one of you folks could write a letter to Air Force Chief of Staff General (((David Goldfein))) and ask him what it is that white men haven't been able to do correctly. That would be a great followup to this.

    blockquote>Literally be an African and just not fuck thinks up too much and commit major crimes on the job and you’re set with a very comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle.

    Even with the bar set low a lifestyle out of reach.

  27. I think I see a lot of airplane crashes in our future…

    Not sure why…

  28. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.wfla.com/amp/news/national/video-journalist-claims-racial-profiling-during-profane-name-calling-arrest/1921513795

    Off topic, but a stereotype in action is a funny thing. Indian woman refused service at a liquor store gets angry with liquor store. Words angry ND gestures are used and both sides call the cops.

    Cops obviously arrest her due to her being “a brown person” and that the cops are racist, white supremacists, etc… She is drunk, combative and attempts to use her status as “an award winning journalist” to somehow absolve her of any wrongdoing. Remember, alcohol is a very dangerous controlled substance and nobody, not even haggard old brown women!

    You may think these people are nice, but DO NOT pick up a charge of DWI, Drinking With Indians!

  29. @CENTURION
    Very simple to do this.

    Lower the standards until numerous women and africans can fly a plane, enough, that crashes and deaths are "acceptable"

    This requires permitting more crashes, so I would say, 1 crash per 1,000 flight hours would be a good start.

    This requires permitting more crashes, so I would say, 1 crash per 1,000 flight hours would be a good start.

    Add to this, broken window economics: Our valued defense contractor community would make a mint building replacement aircraft.

  30. @SerfsUp
    Suspect from mall of america tossed a White 5 year old boy from 3rd floor. "#prayersfor landon" is the search to see the young bou5's picture.

    Here is the suspect, who has "anger issues".

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-suspect-push-child-mall-of-america-minnesota-ban-20190413-gxifty3xlfgn7hsrrlmeyejlym-story.html?outputType=amp

    Shopping malls have actually become quite dangerous. We had a case in New York City recently where two teenaged boys pushed a shopping cart off the top tier of one and hit a woman below in the head causing traumatic brain injury which she has never fully recovered from…her case against the Shopping Mall has just been settled (for lack of security to prevent someone tossing a shopping cart of the top tier)…she received millions…

    Like this is the latest trend: you not only have to arrest the perps after they commit the crime but you have stop them for what they might do…

    Mini riots and “wilding type” event from bands of roving teens take place constantly in these places.

    Use Amazon…

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Shilling for Jeff Bezos, huh?
  31. @NYMOM
    Shopping malls have actually become quite dangerous. We had a case in New York City recently where two teenaged boys pushed a shopping cart off the top tier of one and hit a woman below in the head causing traumatic brain injury which she has never fully recovered from...her case against the Shopping Mall has just been settled (for lack of security to prevent someone tossing a shopping cart of the top tier)...she received millions...

    Like this is the latest trend: you not only have to arrest the perps after they commit the crime but you have stop them for what they might do...

    Mini riots and "wilding type" event from bands of roving teens take place constantly in these places.

    Use Amazon...

    Shilling for Jeff Bezos, huh?

    • Replies: @NYMOM
    "Ok buy less, get back to our roots and start growing our own food and materials to make clothing....

    Whatever just stay away from shopping malls...
  32. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    I seriously doubt that the percentage of black pilots will ever match the percentage of blacks in the general population unless the military is willing to pay black pilots 10 times the normal pilot pay. A white person in the upper quarter of the bell curve for white IQ is probably smart enough to fly airplanes, but a black will have to be a genius among blacks to perform at the same level. Due to affirmative action a genius among blacks can make a lot more money with a lot less work and risk working elsewhere.

    The reason that pilot diversity will never match population diversity is because the incompetence of diversity pilots cannot be concealed as easily as diversity incompetence can be concealed in almost every other area. In most areas of employment there is some level of oversight of affirmative action employees where their mistakes are caught and corrected by competent employees. In other areas such as government the incompetence of affirmative action employees is almost irrelevant because it only creates inefficiency, waste, and inconvenience for those who deal with them. Unfortunately, in areas such as medicine the incompetence of affirmative doctors and nurses does cause the unnecessary deaths of people, but the link between these deaths and the incompetence of medical providers is often difficult to establish. When a pilot in a high performance aircraft such as an F16 makes a mistake the consequences are likely to be catastrophic and usually appear instantaneously, and there is no safety net of being supervised by another pilot. Because the loss or near loss of an expensive military aircraft must be explained there will always be an investigation to determine the cause. This makes it almost impossible to ignore the correlation between lost aircraft and affirmative action pilots.

    • Agree: Trevor
  33. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bread and Honey
    Worrying? Nah - Reassuring!

    Worrying? Nah – Reassuring!

    Yeah, over the past four decades white males have shown themselves a reliable and compliant group who will not hesitate in bombing and killing millions on behalf of the globalist empire. Even when such actions run completely counter to traditional Christian morality and just war theory. And even if it involves killing other Christians.

  34. Eleanor “Horror” Rosenveld pushed this nonsense during Federal Reserve Bank War 2.
    The “Red Tails”, a gaggle of IKAGO mulattos, were jammed into the consciousness of Murrakin normies to try once again to demonstrate that “They” are just like us, except for skin color.
    FAIL
    NO Aces
    CRAP Kill Ratio
    Late-In-War Dog & Pony Show
    Yet MORE propped up Jive & Lies
    Despite Hollyweird BeeEss sweathog attempt to show otherwise; just like the attempt to show that BLAK female calculator crankers were entirely responsible for The Moon landings.

    What’s it going to take for NOKO Rocket Boy to land some Megatonnage on where it needs to go ?

  35. @PO'd in PG County
    Slightly OT, but I just got home from taking my car through the emissions test. I'm offended and triggered because of the lack of diversity there. Every single person working was black! Oh, the HUMANITY!!

    And, slowly but surely, technology is marching on, and it looks like even more of them will be out of a job soon. This particular emissions station now has a lane with a self-service kiosk. First time I've seen that at an emissions station, but I'm sure it's going to catch on and spread. So, more of these low-level, mostly-black jobs lost, and I'm sure at least a few of them will be put on the government dole.

    Slightly OT, but I just got home from taking my car through the emissions test. I’m offended and triggered because of the lack of diversity there. Every single person working was black! Oh, the HUMANITY!!

    Don’t mean to put words in your mouth, but I believe that you meant “employee”. Far more succinct and accurate.

    In my state, if your “check engine” light is not on, your car passed emissions. On modern cars, if there is any sort of emissions problem, the idiot light is triggered. This simplification makes it possible for negroes to be employed in this make work environment. The treadmill and tail pipe probe is purely for show.

    • Replies: @PO'd in PG County
    Yes, I guess "employee" would be a better description. Now, I will admit, I saw them do something I'm not accustomed to. There were two lines, maybe 3 cars deep. Rather than just stand around being shiftless, they actually opened up two additional lanes, to get everybody through a little more quickly. That was mildly amusing. And, the guy who did my test was pleasant and polite, at least.

    And, that's how it is here, as well. As long as the idiot light isn't on, you get a pass. I remember when they used to do the treadmill test. In Maryland, I think it was for cars made from 1984 until whenever they started putting the OBD-II diagnostic systems in cars. There used to be horror stories of them putting the wrong wheels on the treadmill, and once the "employee" got in and gunned it, it would take off and hit something. And, I have a feeling most of the lemmings these days don't know which wheels drive their cars anyway, so they wouldn't know to correct the "employee".
  36. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Shilling for Jeff Bezos, huh?

    “Ok buy less, get back to our roots and start growing our own food and materials to make clothing….

    Whatever just stay away from shopping malls…

  37. @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Slightly OT, but I just got home from taking my car through the emissions test. I’m offended and triggered because of the lack of diversity there. Every single person working was black! Oh, the HUMANITY!!
     
    Don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I believe that you meant "employee". Far more succinct and accurate.

    In my state, if your "check engine" light is not on, your car passed emissions. On modern cars, if there is any sort of emissions problem, the idiot light is triggered. This simplification makes it possible for negroes to be employed in this make work environment. The treadmill and tail pipe probe is purely for show.

    Yes, I guess “employee” would be a better description. Now, I will admit, I saw them do something I’m not accustomed to. There were two lines, maybe 3 cars deep. Rather than just stand around being shiftless, they actually opened up two additional lanes, to get everybody through a little more quickly. That was mildly amusing. And, the guy who did my test was pleasant and polite, at least.

    And, that’s how it is here, as well. As long as the idiot light isn’t on, you get a pass. I remember when they used to do the treadmill test. In Maryland, I think it was for cars made from 1984 until whenever they started putting the OBD-II diagnostic systems in cars. There used to be horror stories of them putting the wrong wheels on the treadmill, and once the “employee” got in and gunned it, it would take off and hit something. And, I have a feeling most of the lemmings these days don’t know which wheels drive their cars anyway, so they wouldn’t know to correct the “employee”.

  38. @Tinker
    I passed my check ride first try. In a plane I didn’t have a lot of time in. I’m a white male. Does this mean I’m a bad person?

    Race should not have a dam think to do with promotion to pilot – concentrate on getting the best in the pilots seat.I flew a small single engine airplane, and realized I was not good material for a jet pilot.This race thing should be over with in this our USA.

  39. The Coast Guard Academy recently came under criticism for severe lack of minority diversity. I predict they will reduce or eliminate the swimming and water-related requirements and training. If they do not reduce/eliminate, then maybe they will create an exemption and a “land-based specialist” track.

  40. “Very white and very male” and, what…? Very competent?

  41. The Air Force already has a work-around for this embarrassing surplus of whiteness. They are creating a fleet of drone aircraft. Thus, since the drones do not require pilots, they can claim that the drones are neither too white or too rayciss. However, the drones have to be piloted by someone in a control center. All of the ‘drone pilots’ I have seen are white. But, the drone program puts off the debate for awhile until some dip-shit comes up with something to deflect the charges of racism. They do not call it the Air Farce for nothing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    They can have enlisted white men take care of piloting does! ;)
  42. African-Americans make up only 1.7% of all Air Force pilots…The Air Force has 280 generals, but just 18 of them belong to minority groups. That includes two Hispanic officers, The 13 African-American generals make up 4% of the Air Force’s general officer corps.

  43. @Piglet
    "The real issue with being a pilot or special forces in the military is that it’s a shitload of extra work and responsibility for zero extra pay."

    Not true. Aviators receive flight pay which is quite generous. SF personnel receive jump pay, but no one is in the SF just for that. SF guys are in the SF because they want to be in the SF.

    Unless pilot training is dumbed down, the percentage of flying dindus will remain very small. USAF pilot training, an extremely challenging course, goes on for a year, and that's followed by months more training on a specific type of aircraft. When one finally arrives at a flying squadron there's constant upgrade training to enhance skills and take on further responsibilities. This is in addition to attending more training courses, going on deployments, etc. Yes, aviators receive flight pay but they earn it, and those who lacks the smarts and flying skills are typically eliminated within the first few months. Dummies don't even get through the door to start.

    I suspect this effort to raise the percentage of women and dindus (while decreasing the dreaded whiteness of the force) will end in failure. Most women simply aren't interested in this kind of life and most dindus just don't qualify.

    Flying is something you can't fake and bluff your way through, especially military flying. Even among those who become pilots, there are numerous crashes and fatalities. A few decades ago, when I was stationed at an overseas base for four years, the wing lost two aircraft each year, almost invariably accompanied by pilot deaths. Things go from "very bad" to "much worse" very quickly and even very good pilots can get killed. Put a bunch of lousy ones in the force and you'll see the accident rates spike.

    The Flying Dindus – would be a great name for a circus act.

  44. Blind, gay, tranny, quadriplegic pilots will make the USAF stronger.

    Diversity is something something.

  45. @SerfsUp
    Suspect from mall of america tossed a White 5 year old boy from 3rd floor. "#prayersfor landon" is the search to see the young bou5's picture.

    Here is the suspect, who has "anger issues".

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-suspect-push-child-mall-of-america-minnesota-ban-20190413-gxifty3xlfgn7hsrrlmeyejlym-story.html?outputType=amp

    Here is the suspect, who has “anger issues”.

    Needs to be given “body-temperature issues”, beginning with a public elevation to at least 350 F while attached to a stake, followed by cooling to ambient.  That may induce sufficient fear into the rest to preclude such deadly attacks in the future.  May.

  46. @Bruce County
    Not only are you a bad person.. you are over qualified... you need to step away from any plans of flight and give it to the far superior black pilot. We know from ancient African history that flight was discovered in the Sub Saharan Cantinent by a technologically and far superior race. It only stands to reason; based on this knowledge alone, we should be allowing the masters of flight to rule the airways as they did in their past. Only then can America truly rule the worlds skies.

    Orville and Wilbur Wright went on safari in Africa around 1910 and stole the secrets of flight from the black man while they were there.

    “We wuz pilots n sheeit!”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  47. @AceDeuce
    Here's the story of a real-life c olored boy military pilot (Navy) who seemed to live up to the stereotype every step of the way. Funny how the MSM wasn't all over this..../sarc

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/19159/true-crimes-man-who-hijacked-cargo-jet

    https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4rom6l/til_a_disgruntled_employee_attempted_to_hijack/

    http://incogman.net/2014/03/they-dont-talk-about-this-airline-disaster/comment-page-1/

    They don’t talk about PSA Flight 1771 much either:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

    Black employee (fired for theft) sneaks a gun on board, kills the pilots and deliberately crashes the plane. 43 dead…

    But hey, did you hear about Emmett Till?

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    Amen. I've been bringing up that one, as well, for a long time now.

    You're right about the media "black"out of the story. Not only was it a yuuuuge story in its own right but it had many lasting repercussions beyond the loss of the plane, crew, and passengers. (and just imagine the additional carnage if the plane had crashed in a populated area).

    PSA was just recovering from a horrific mid air crash involving one of its aircraft only nine years before. USAir had just swooped in and was acquiring it, along with Piedmont Airlines, not too long before Burke's hijacking. PSA 1771 caused USAir serious problems and a lot of extra financial loss at a time right after they had just spent a lot on the acquisitions. They were lucky to recover from it.

    In response to Burke's hijacking, the FAA instituted mandatory 10 year background checks for airport employees, as well as drastically tightening up the protocol for ID badge control and ramp passes. Some speculate that the increased security measures made the 9/11 hijackers' plans a lot harder for them.

    Last, but not least--both Chevron Oil and Pacific Bell lost several top execs, who were travelling back to San Francisco together on #1771. Companies now require their executives to travel separately because of that.

  48. @Truth-hammer
    The Air Force already has a work-around for this embarrassing surplus of whiteness. They are creating a fleet of drone aircraft. Thus, since the drones do not require pilots, they can claim that the drones are neither too white or too rayciss. However, the drones have to be piloted by someone in a control center. All of the 'drone pilots' I have seen are white. But, the drone program puts off the debate for awhile until some dip-shit comes up with something to deflect the charges of racism. They do not call it the Air Farce for nothing.

    They can have enlisted white men take care of piloting does! 😉

  49. I’m in a Naval A school for electricians right now. The two diversified students are having a tough time. They need to have their hands held the whole time. Tasks as simple as conduit bending are too much for them to handle. It is cringeworthy watching them fail over and over. The sad thing is they will probably make it and become a construction electricianman for the Seabees. For the rest of their time in they will be a burden. After realizing they don’t have what it takes they will eventually give up and cry racism. Never ending cycle.

  50. My grandfather was in the aviation industry from just prior to WWII until he retired in 1981. He worked for Douglas during the war and went to work for Consolidated after the war was over. After 35 years on that job, he retired. So, I’ve always had, and I still retain, a childlike fascination with aircraft. I can name a slew of types, and discuss their capabilities, and even name a few notable aviators… but, I cannot fly an airplane. I’ve never even had a ride in one. I don’t know if I could navigate in three dimensions. I’m not sure, but I may get air sickness. One day… I may go aloft.

    I have a lot of respect for pilots. The ones that really amaze me are the aviation pioneers. There were quite a few Negro and Female pilots in the early years of flying. Some of the women set some pretty impressive records. Regardless, in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It’s very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.

    The WASP’s of WWII provided an essential function. I think that the jury may be out on the “Red Tails,” but they are, as is every other “contribution” made by Negroes, ridiculously over-hyped (and, they were, for the most part, of much lighter complexion than what is depicted in the two films, “The Tuskegee Airmen” 1995 and “Red Tails” 2012 – Ditto: “Hidden Figures”).

    Once you entered the Jet Age, I think the planes became much too fast and technologically sophisticated for all but the most adept pilots to handle. And, there’s a big difference in flying planes in a civilian role, or ferrying aircraft from one place to another Stateside, and adding all of the unpredictable elements associated with a combat zone.

    I’ve known several female managers who have been reduced to tears because someone spoke harshly to them. Emotional fragility is a feminine trait. I saw an interview with Jessica Lynch where she talked about how uncomfortable she was with being celebrated as a hero. She said that, at the first shot, she dropped her gun and curled up in a ball. She was later tortured and sodomized by her captors, in spite of having sustained debilitating injuries. What father, or mother, would want their daughter to be subjected to that? It’s bad enough that men are thrust into those environments, but sometimes, as the old saying goes, “a man’s gotta do, what a man’s gotta do.” But, women, except in the most extraordinary of circumstances (invasion of the country by hostile forces), should not have to bear the burdens that are the obligations of manhood.

    As for the Negroes, I acquired a documentary the other day. It’s one of those kind of late 70’s/early 80’s vhs tapes that you used to be able to find in the “Faces of Death,” “Ripley’s Believe It Or Not,” section of the video rental store, but is becoming increasingly hard to find. It deals with bizarre tribal rituals from around the world and features the Mundari tribe of Africa showering in cattle urine direct from the tap and then coating themselves in a mixture of dirt and cattle dung to protect themselves from the sun and shield their bodies from insects. Another Negro from a different tribe had distinguished himself by fathering twins. This made him the object of much veneration from his fellow tribesmen. He responded to the adulation by lying naked outside his hut, fondling his penis, and the other Negroes would come by and, I kid you not, rub his head for luck! I almost fell out of my chair laughing! So, this is the Negro, in his natural state, without the interference from the White man.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    In my old (working life) I met a very charming black man--Yale Law School grad.

    He was clearly carried by affirmative action to get through Yale Law School--because he just wasn't that bright.

    He got promoted and promoted and promoted in our company--until finally one of our competitors stole him from us and made him President of their company.

    In two years of his "leadership" the competitor crashed and burned--out of business.

    Oops.

    Good thing he hadn't chosen to be a fighter pilot!
    , @Mr. Rational

    in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It’s very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.
     
    Bessie Coleman died because her mechanic had dropped a wrench into the flight controls and it caused them to jam while aloft.

    Failing to ground the aircraft until the wrench was recovered was downright idiocy, but isn't this the defining characteristic of what we call TNB?
    , @By-tor
    Lynch was not tortured nor sodomized by anyone unless it was on a US base. She was, in fact, taken to a hospital where she received first aid after being captured. US invaders stormed that hospital, roughed up the doctors and damaged the facilities. You are posting a lie.
  51. I saw a Delta Airlines safety video on a flight yesterday, which closed with a black female pilot, and I could only chuckle, because the only female airline pilots I have ever seen were blonde. The AF is obviously going to need to be more laser-like focused to hit the targets the communications team at Delta have set for it.

  52. @Cowtown Rebel
    My grandfather was in the aviation industry from just prior to WWII until he retired in 1981. He worked for Douglas during the war and went to work for Consolidated after the war was over. After 35 years on that job, he retired. So, I've always had, and I still retain, a childlike fascination with aircraft. I can name a slew of types, and discuss their capabilities, and even name a few notable aviators... but, I cannot fly an airplane. I've never even had a ride in one. I don't know if I could navigate in three dimensions. I'm not sure, but I may get air sickness. One day... I may go aloft.

    I have a lot of respect for pilots. The ones that really amaze me are the aviation pioneers. There were quite a few Negro and Female pilots in the early years of flying. Some of the women set some pretty impressive records. Regardless, in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It's very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.

    The WASP's of WWII provided an essential function. I think that the jury may be out on the "Red Tails," but they are, as is every other "contribution" made by Negroes, ridiculously over-hyped (and, they were, for the most part, of much lighter complexion than what is depicted in the two films, "The Tuskegee Airmen" 1995 and "Red Tails" 2012 - Ditto: "Hidden Figures").

    Once you entered the Jet Age, I think the planes became much too fast and technologically sophisticated for all but the most adept pilots to handle. And, there's a big difference in flying planes in a civilian role, or ferrying aircraft from one place to another Stateside, and adding all of the unpredictable elements associated with a combat zone.

    I've known several female managers who have been reduced to tears because someone spoke harshly to them. Emotional fragility is a feminine trait. I saw an interview with Jessica Lynch where she talked about how uncomfortable she was with being celebrated as a hero. She said that, at the first shot, she dropped her gun and curled up in a ball. She was later tortured and sodomized by her captors, in spite of having sustained debilitating injuries. What father, or mother, would want their daughter to be subjected to that? It's bad enough that men are thrust into those environments, but sometimes, as the old saying goes, "a man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do." But, women, except in the most extraordinary of circumstances (invasion of the country by hostile forces), should not have to bear the burdens that are the obligations of manhood.

    As for the Negroes, I acquired a documentary the other day. It's one of those kind of late 70's/early 80's vhs tapes that you used to be able to find in the "Faces of Death," "Ripley's Believe It Or Not," section of the video rental store, but is becoming increasingly hard to find. It deals with bizarre tribal rituals from around the world and features the Mundari tribe of Africa showering in cattle urine direct from the tap and then coating themselves in a mixture of dirt and cattle dung to protect themselves from the sun and shield their bodies from insects. Another Negro from a different tribe had distinguished himself by fathering twins. This made him the object of much veneration from his fellow tribesmen. He responded to the adulation by lying naked outside his hut, fondling his penis, and the other Negroes would come by and, I kid you not, rub his head for luck! I almost fell out of my chair laughing! So, this is the Negro, in his natural state, without the interference from the White man.

    In my old (working life) I met a very charming black man–Yale Law School grad.

    He was clearly carried by affirmative action to get through Yale Law School–because he just wasn’t that bright.

    He got promoted and promoted and promoted in our company–until finally one of our competitors stole him from us and made him President of their company.

    In two years of his “leadership” the competitor crashed and burned–out of business.

    Oops.

    Good thing he hadn’t chosen to be a fighter pilot!

  53. @Anonymous0619
    They don’t talk about PSA Flight 1771 much either:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

    Black employee (fired for theft) sneaks a gun on board, kills the pilots and deliberately crashes the plane. 43 dead...

    But hey, did you hear about Emmett Till?

    Amen. I’ve been bringing up that one, as well, for a long time now.

    You’re right about the media “black”out of the story. Not only was it a yuuuuge story in its own right but it had many lasting repercussions beyond the loss of the plane, crew, and passengers. (and just imagine the additional carnage if the plane had crashed in a populated area).

    PSA was just recovering from a horrific mid air crash involving one of its aircraft only nine years before. USAir had just swooped in and was acquiring it, along with Piedmont Airlines, not too long before Burke’s hijacking. PSA 1771 caused USAir serious problems and a lot of extra financial loss at a time right after they had just spent a lot on the acquisitions. They were lucky to recover from it.

    In response to Burke’s hijacking, the FAA instituted mandatory 10 year background checks for airport employees, as well as drastically tightening up the protocol for ID badge control and ramp passes. Some speculate that the increased security measures made the 9/11 hijackers’ plans a lot harder for them.

    Last, but not least–both Chevron Oil and Pacific Bell lost several top execs, who were travelling back to San Francisco together on #1771. Companies now require their executives to travel separately because of that.

  54. @Cowtown Rebel
    My grandfather was in the aviation industry from just prior to WWII until he retired in 1981. He worked for Douglas during the war and went to work for Consolidated after the war was over. After 35 years on that job, he retired. So, I've always had, and I still retain, a childlike fascination with aircraft. I can name a slew of types, and discuss their capabilities, and even name a few notable aviators... but, I cannot fly an airplane. I've never even had a ride in one. I don't know if I could navigate in three dimensions. I'm not sure, but I may get air sickness. One day... I may go aloft.

    I have a lot of respect for pilots. The ones that really amaze me are the aviation pioneers. There were quite a few Negro and Female pilots in the early years of flying. Some of the women set some pretty impressive records. Regardless, in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It's very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.

    The WASP's of WWII provided an essential function. I think that the jury may be out on the "Red Tails," but they are, as is every other "contribution" made by Negroes, ridiculously over-hyped (and, they were, for the most part, of much lighter complexion than what is depicted in the two films, "The Tuskegee Airmen" 1995 and "Red Tails" 2012 - Ditto: "Hidden Figures").

    Once you entered the Jet Age, I think the planes became much too fast and technologically sophisticated for all but the most adept pilots to handle. And, there's a big difference in flying planes in a civilian role, or ferrying aircraft from one place to another Stateside, and adding all of the unpredictable elements associated with a combat zone.

    I've known several female managers who have been reduced to tears because someone spoke harshly to them. Emotional fragility is a feminine trait. I saw an interview with Jessica Lynch where she talked about how uncomfortable she was with being celebrated as a hero. She said that, at the first shot, she dropped her gun and curled up in a ball. She was later tortured and sodomized by her captors, in spite of having sustained debilitating injuries. What father, or mother, would want their daughter to be subjected to that? It's bad enough that men are thrust into those environments, but sometimes, as the old saying goes, "a man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do." But, women, except in the most extraordinary of circumstances (invasion of the country by hostile forces), should not have to bear the burdens that are the obligations of manhood.

    As for the Negroes, I acquired a documentary the other day. It's one of those kind of late 70's/early 80's vhs tapes that you used to be able to find in the "Faces of Death," "Ripley's Believe It Or Not," section of the video rental store, but is becoming increasingly hard to find. It deals with bizarre tribal rituals from around the world and features the Mundari tribe of Africa showering in cattle urine direct from the tap and then coating themselves in a mixture of dirt and cattle dung to protect themselves from the sun and shield their bodies from insects. Another Negro from a different tribe had distinguished himself by fathering twins. This made him the object of much veneration from his fellow tribesmen. He responded to the adulation by lying naked outside his hut, fondling his penis, and the other Negroes would come by and, I kid you not, rub his head for luck! I almost fell out of my chair laughing! So, this is the Negro, in his natural state, without the interference from the White man.

    in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It’s very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.

    Bessie Coleman died because her mechanic had dropped a wrench into the flight controls and it caused them to jam while aloft.

    Failing to ground the aircraft until the wrench was recovered was downright idiocy, but isn’t this the defining characteristic of what we call TNB?

    • Replies: @Cowtown Rebel
    I wasn't aware of the cause of Bessie Coleman's accident. I'm definitely not trying to defend the Air Force's agenda. I hope that I made that clear. I was merely pointing out that there were a number of accomplished women pilots, and even a few Negroes, who had taken flight during the dawn of aviation. I do believe that there was a certain amount of "Devil may care" attitude that accompanied the exploits of the early flyers. I am quite aware of the fact that the simple cockpit layouts of joy stick, rudder pedals, and rudimentary flying instruments, contained in a fabric covered, wooden framed, aircraft, held together with glue and bailing wire, is a far cry from the modern avionics and composite materials used in the construction of today's airplanes.

    Some of the contrivances that inventors put their faith in were, it would seem, obviously doomed to fail. Yet, off they went undaunted and headlong into disasters. The only parallels that I can see in modern aviation are test pilots of high performance aircraft and astronauts, where, even with all of the mathematical and scientific advances, a great quantity of unknown and unforeseen factors still exist.
    , @AnalogMan
    Yes, that seems to be a pattern. Back in South Africa, they have a single nuclear power station. During routine maintenance, the affirmative action technician dropped a 9-inch bolt and it fell in behind the armature where he couldn't reach it. So, what's a muntu to do? He requisitioned a replacement bolt and put it all back together again.

    When they started it up again, of course the bolt rattling around damaged the armature beyond repair, and they had to order a new one from France. It was out of action for months. I saw it being delivered, and, as you can imagine, it was huge.
  55. @Cowtown Rebel
    My grandfather was in the aviation industry from just prior to WWII until he retired in 1981. He worked for Douglas during the war and went to work for Consolidated after the war was over. After 35 years on that job, he retired. So, I've always had, and I still retain, a childlike fascination with aircraft. I can name a slew of types, and discuss their capabilities, and even name a few notable aviators... but, I cannot fly an airplane. I've never even had a ride in one. I don't know if I could navigate in three dimensions. I'm not sure, but I may get air sickness. One day... I may go aloft.

    I have a lot of respect for pilots. The ones that really amaze me are the aviation pioneers. There were quite a few Negro and Female pilots in the early years of flying. Some of the women set some pretty impressive records. Regardless, in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It's very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.

    The WASP's of WWII provided an essential function. I think that the jury may be out on the "Red Tails," but they are, as is every other "contribution" made by Negroes, ridiculously over-hyped (and, they were, for the most part, of much lighter complexion than what is depicted in the two films, "The Tuskegee Airmen" 1995 and "Red Tails" 2012 - Ditto: "Hidden Figures").

    Once you entered the Jet Age, I think the planes became much too fast and technologically sophisticated for all but the most adept pilots to handle. And, there's a big difference in flying planes in a civilian role, or ferrying aircraft from one place to another Stateside, and adding all of the unpredictable elements associated with a combat zone.

    I've known several female managers who have been reduced to tears because someone spoke harshly to them. Emotional fragility is a feminine trait. I saw an interview with Jessica Lynch where she talked about how uncomfortable she was with being celebrated as a hero. She said that, at the first shot, she dropped her gun and curled up in a ball. She was later tortured and sodomized by her captors, in spite of having sustained debilitating injuries. What father, or mother, would want their daughter to be subjected to that? It's bad enough that men are thrust into those environments, but sometimes, as the old saying goes, "a man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do." But, women, except in the most extraordinary of circumstances (invasion of the country by hostile forces), should not have to bear the burdens that are the obligations of manhood.

    As for the Negroes, I acquired a documentary the other day. It's one of those kind of late 70's/early 80's vhs tapes that you used to be able to find in the "Faces of Death," "Ripley's Believe It Or Not," section of the video rental store, but is becoming increasingly hard to find. It deals with bizarre tribal rituals from around the world and features the Mundari tribe of Africa showering in cattle urine direct from the tap and then coating themselves in a mixture of dirt and cattle dung to protect themselves from the sun and shield their bodies from insects. Another Negro from a different tribe had distinguished himself by fathering twins. This made him the object of much veneration from his fellow tribesmen. He responded to the adulation by lying naked outside his hut, fondling his penis, and the other Negroes would come by and, I kid you not, rub his head for luck! I almost fell out of my chair laughing! So, this is the Negro, in his natural state, without the interference from the White man.

    Lynch was not tortured nor sodomized by anyone unless it was on a US base. She was, in fact, taken to a hospital where she received first aid after being captured. US invaders stormed that hospital, roughed up the doctors and damaged the facilities. You are posting a lie.

    • Replies: @Piglet
    You are so right. If I recall correctly, the Iraqi hospital notified the American forces that Lynch was in their care and the hospital was interested in returning her to the US military. Sensing an opportunity for some drama, the US military sent cameramen on the "raid" that consisting of kicking in doors that weren't locked and roughing up people who weren't resisting, all for dramatic effect.

    I well recall when her convoy had gotten lost and ambushed. She had been part of a maintenance company that hadn't undergone combat training as it should. Assigned to an Air Defense Artillery command, her company was told that, as maintainers, they would never fight, so while the ADA units were undergoing combat training, the maintainers were shunted to one side. The foolishness of this move was apparent later when their (lost) convoy was ambushed and things quickly went downhill. Most had no idea what to do. I think Lynch never got a shot off (her rifle jammed due to the dust) and was injured when her vehicle rammed into another in the attempt to escape the ambush.

    Subsequently the US military put out BS propaganda that Iraqi military radio transmissions had been intercepted stating that Lynch had put up one hell of a fight and, when she ran out of ammo, she fought off Iraqi soldiers with her knife until overwhelmed by the other side's superior numbers. Many newspaper editorials cited this as proof that women belonged in combat units and could fight as well as, if not better than, men. It was all, of course, a big fat lie. Lynch later said she felt used by the US military and she was absolutely right.

    You're also right about getting raped on a US base. The late retired Colonel David Hackworth wrote about the epidemic level of rapes of US military females and the military's lame response. When the military finally set up a call center when rape victims could call to report their rapes, or at least just talk about the incidents with a sympathetic person, the call center was absolutely overwhelmed with calls. In response, the Army replaced the counselors with an answering machine and a recording saying callers should leave a message and someone would get back to them -- as if a rape victim is really going to bare her soul to an answering machine. That cut way down on the calls and, as far as the Army was concerned, the problem was solved.

    The military is big on using the "chain of command," but it turned out that, in most of the cases, the rapist was in the victim's chain, someone above them. And very often commanders simply didn't want to hear about it. They wanted to complete successful command tours, receive awards and promotions, and keep moving up. They didn't need their soldiers reporting rapes, so they'd tell the victims to just suck it up and keep going. Meanwhile, the perps would just smirk and laugh at the victims, knowing they'd never be held accountable. Ever hear of people saying, "What happens in Iraq [or Afghanistan or anywhere else], stays in Iraq." That means no ones going to tell anyone else about bad things done there, from theft to adultery, drug use, etc., all the way up to and including rape and murder.

    People might recall how hard up the Army was for enlistments during the height of the occupation of Iraq and how enlistment standards were greatly reduced in order to fill the ranks. That included waivers for criminal records, meaning we put a lot of people in uniform who were going to prey on other soldiers. (You can be sure many, if not most, were dindus.)

    We know about US female military personnel being raped or worse. No one was really looking at the rapes and possible murders of Iraqi women. Having one's way with the women of a conquered country is often seen as fair game.

    I remember one YouTube video in which a guy was asking his friend, who had recently returned from Iraq, what went on over there. The guy talked about how his squad leader had kidnapped a young Iraqi teenage girl and made between $500 and $600 selling her to other GIs who took turns raping her. Finally, when she couldn't stand it anymore, she killed herself. This made the storyteller bust out laughing. Har-dee-har-har-har.

    Moms and dads, if you have youngsters thinking about enlisting, be very aware of the kind of people your kids will be exposed to.

    And no, I'm not some "hippy" with a grudge against our wondrous military. I spent nearly three decades in uniform in a variety of roles. As an Air Force colonel once said to me, describing his time in Vietnam in a special operations squadron that worked with Special Forces soldiers, "Some were the finest soldiers I've ever known, while others were nothing but animals." That pretty well sums up what anyone will encounter in the military. Some are wonderful people and lifelong friends but others are the worst you'll ever encounter.
  56. Soon we will see a ‘loosening’ of the qualifications necessary to be an Air Force pilot. Soon after that we will begin to view the Air Force as we view the motor vehicle department, the police department, fire, all civil service workers…

    Our military has already got to be a running joke among the free world. Sure, there’s plenty of them and they’re well armed so no one wants to poke it but seriously, with all the social anarchy foisted upon the military by our leftist government I’m surprised that combat boots aren’t available in a pump and stiletto.

    I can only hope that someone in the Air Force has the balls to say no to this but I may be suffering from a little oxygen deprivation.

    “Off we go…into the wild, blue water… sheeet, we dun crashed! Hep me, hep me wi peepo!”

    • Agree: Archie Bunker
  57. The fact of the matter is that THE DIVERSITY HAS ALREADY BEEN SORTED OUT, and people who are interested apply for these positions. Some people are STUCK in IDENTITY POLITICS and will NEVER be satisfied until the world complies with their psychological projections. It doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with the FREE CHOICE system that exists! Outcomes like this cannot be controlled. Pay attention.

  58. @Non PC Infidel
    I'm offended that there are no midgets on the Olympic high jump team, no 400 pound women in the pole vaulting event and no 350 pound men running in the 220 yard dash. To make matters even more offensive, neither of the latter two are on the high dive teams. Outrageous! It also irritates me to no end that there are no blind people on the archery team. The lack of diversity is horrendous and shocking! And where are the parapalegic ice skaters and ski jumpers, I might ask?!? Are any of these people less deserving of a spot in the Olympics? If unqualified negroes deserve to be Air Force pilots then surely these people deserve to be treated equally too! Hmmph!

    Why do you think you have a ‘right not to be offended’? It doesn’t exist.

  59. I have lived long enough to see America become a great country and see it also slowly die.
    All those who gave everything for what ?
    The government is the enemy with in.

  60. Why there is little diversity among Air Force pilots?
    Because it doesn’t have enough appeal to attract high-IQ East Asians and Indians, who prefer medicine, programming, engineering and other STEM-related work where pay is much better. And most low-IQ Blacks just don’t qualify for the job.
    It’s not like the rest of the government jobs which work like sort of welfare handouts for low-IQ Blacks. As long as they don’t have major f*ck up they will receive a hefty paycheck, benefits and pension for doing almost nothing. Allow more unqualified Blacks to become pilots? Great idea, what could go wrong? It’s not like 100-200 million jet is worth anything, right?

  61. @By-tor
    Lynch was not tortured nor sodomized by anyone unless it was on a US base. She was, in fact, taken to a hospital where she received first aid after being captured. US invaders stormed that hospital, roughed up the doctors and damaged the facilities. You are posting a lie.

    You are so right. If I recall correctly, the Iraqi hospital notified the American forces that Lynch was in their care and the hospital was interested in returning her to the US military. Sensing an opportunity for some drama, the US military sent cameramen on the “raid” that consisting of kicking in doors that weren’t locked and roughing up people who weren’t resisting, all for dramatic effect.

    I well recall when her convoy had gotten lost and ambushed. She had been part of a maintenance company that hadn’t undergone combat training as it should. Assigned to an Air Defense Artillery command, her company was told that, as maintainers, they would never fight, so while the ADA units were undergoing combat training, the maintainers were shunted to one side. The foolishness of this move was apparent later when their (lost) convoy was ambushed and things quickly went downhill. Most had no idea what to do. I think Lynch never got a shot off (her rifle jammed due to the dust) and was injured when her vehicle rammed into another in the attempt to escape the ambush.

    Subsequently the US military put out BS propaganda that Iraqi military radio transmissions had been intercepted stating that Lynch had put up one hell of a fight and, when she ran out of ammo, she fought off Iraqi soldiers with her knife until overwhelmed by the other side’s superior numbers. Many newspaper editorials cited this as proof that women belonged in combat units and could fight as well as, if not better than, men. It was all, of course, a big fat lie. Lynch later said she felt used by the US military and she was absolutely right.

    You’re also right about getting raped on a US base. The late retired Colonel David Hackworth wrote about the epidemic level of rapes of US military females and the military’s lame response. When the military finally set up a call center when rape victims could call to report their rapes, or at least just talk about the incidents with a sympathetic person, the call center was absolutely overwhelmed with calls. In response, the Army replaced the counselors with an answering machine and a recording saying callers should leave a message and someone would get back to them — as if a rape victim is really going to bare her soul to an answering machine. That cut way down on the calls and, as far as the Army was concerned, the problem was solved.

    The military is big on using the “chain of command,” but it turned out that, in most of the cases, the rapist was in the victim’s chain, someone above them. And very often commanders simply didn’t want to hear about it. They wanted to complete successful command tours, receive awards and promotions, and keep moving up. They didn’t need their soldiers reporting rapes, so they’d tell the victims to just suck it up and keep going. Meanwhile, the perps would just smirk and laugh at the victims, knowing they’d never be held accountable. Ever hear of people saying, “What happens in Iraq [or Afghanistan or anywhere else], stays in Iraq.” That means no ones going to tell anyone else about bad things done there, from theft to adultery, drug use, etc., all the way up to and including rape and murder.

    People might recall how hard up the Army was for enlistments during the height of the occupation of Iraq and how enlistment standards were greatly reduced in order to fill the ranks. That included waivers for criminal records, meaning we put a lot of people in uniform who were going to prey on other soldiers. (You can be sure many, if not most, were dindus.)

    We know about US female military personnel being raped or worse. No one was really looking at the rapes and possible murders of Iraqi women. Having one’s way with the women of a conquered country is often seen as fair game.

    I remember one YouTube video in which a guy was asking his friend, who had recently returned from Iraq, what went on over there. The guy talked about how his squad leader had kidnapped a young Iraqi teenage girl and made between $500 and $600 selling her to other GIs who took turns raping her. Finally, when she couldn’t stand it anymore, she killed herself. This made the storyteller bust out laughing. Har-dee-har-har-har.

    Moms and dads, if you have youngsters thinking about enlisting, be very aware of the kind of people your kids will be exposed to.

    And no, I’m not some “hippy” with a grudge against our wondrous military. I spent nearly three decades in uniform in a variety of roles. As an Air Force colonel once said to me, describing his time in Vietnam in a special operations squadron that worked with Special Forces soldiers, “Some were the finest soldiers I’ve ever known, while others were nothing but animals.” That pretty well sums up what anyone will encounter in the military. Some are wonderful people and lifelong friends but others are the worst you’ll ever encounter.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    I have a cousin who was (a grunt) in the First Cavalry in Vietnam during 1968. He tells me around 95% of the men were good people. The Special Forces (or Rangers) could be very rough characters, as you indicate.
  62. @Tinker
    I passed my check ride first try. In a plane I didn’t have a lot of time in. I’m a white male. Does this mean I’m a bad person?

    Recruiting pilots is not quite the same as staffing the post office.

  63. Equality of opportunity, not outcome. Let the best person get the job. What moron thinks that diversity should a factor in selecting pilots?

    • Replies: @By-tor
    As Secretary of the Air Force, this woman did, until she resigned last month:

    https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/1183103/dr-heather-wilson/

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-exclusive/u-s-air-force-secretary-wilson-to-resign-leaving-new-vacancy-idUSKCN1QP1T2

  64. Putin and his generals are having a good chuckle over this article. I watched a YouTube video where Putin told his ministers that Russian culture and its people must be preserved. In the conversation, Putin claimed that fewer than 50 percent of US residents are of European descent.
    Putin knows all he has to do is be patient as the US crashes into a bankrupt Third World hell hole. Nothing would amuse Russian generals more than the US military reducing itself to a Third World military with Affirmative Action programs.
    When America has been defeated in battle and reduced to ash, American survivors will still be able to say, “At least we weren’t racists!”
    Ha, ha, ha!

  65. @Piglet
    You are so right. If I recall correctly, the Iraqi hospital notified the American forces that Lynch was in their care and the hospital was interested in returning her to the US military. Sensing an opportunity for some drama, the US military sent cameramen on the "raid" that consisting of kicking in doors that weren't locked and roughing up people who weren't resisting, all for dramatic effect.

    I well recall when her convoy had gotten lost and ambushed. She had been part of a maintenance company that hadn't undergone combat training as it should. Assigned to an Air Defense Artillery command, her company was told that, as maintainers, they would never fight, so while the ADA units were undergoing combat training, the maintainers were shunted to one side. The foolishness of this move was apparent later when their (lost) convoy was ambushed and things quickly went downhill. Most had no idea what to do. I think Lynch never got a shot off (her rifle jammed due to the dust) and was injured when her vehicle rammed into another in the attempt to escape the ambush.

    Subsequently the US military put out BS propaganda that Iraqi military radio transmissions had been intercepted stating that Lynch had put up one hell of a fight and, when she ran out of ammo, she fought off Iraqi soldiers with her knife until overwhelmed by the other side's superior numbers. Many newspaper editorials cited this as proof that women belonged in combat units and could fight as well as, if not better than, men. It was all, of course, a big fat lie. Lynch later said she felt used by the US military and she was absolutely right.

    You're also right about getting raped on a US base. The late retired Colonel David Hackworth wrote about the epidemic level of rapes of US military females and the military's lame response. When the military finally set up a call center when rape victims could call to report their rapes, or at least just talk about the incidents with a sympathetic person, the call center was absolutely overwhelmed with calls. In response, the Army replaced the counselors with an answering machine and a recording saying callers should leave a message and someone would get back to them -- as if a rape victim is really going to bare her soul to an answering machine. That cut way down on the calls and, as far as the Army was concerned, the problem was solved.

    The military is big on using the "chain of command," but it turned out that, in most of the cases, the rapist was in the victim's chain, someone above them. And very often commanders simply didn't want to hear about it. They wanted to complete successful command tours, receive awards and promotions, and keep moving up. They didn't need their soldiers reporting rapes, so they'd tell the victims to just suck it up and keep going. Meanwhile, the perps would just smirk and laugh at the victims, knowing they'd never be held accountable. Ever hear of people saying, "What happens in Iraq [or Afghanistan or anywhere else], stays in Iraq." That means no ones going to tell anyone else about bad things done there, from theft to adultery, drug use, etc., all the way up to and including rape and murder.

    People might recall how hard up the Army was for enlistments during the height of the occupation of Iraq and how enlistment standards were greatly reduced in order to fill the ranks. That included waivers for criminal records, meaning we put a lot of people in uniform who were going to prey on other soldiers. (You can be sure many, if not most, were dindus.)

    We know about US female military personnel being raped or worse. No one was really looking at the rapes and possible murders of Iraqi women. Having one's way with the women of a conquered country is often seen as fair game.

    I remember one YouTube video in which a guy was asking his friend, who had recently returned from Iraq, what went on over there. The guy talked about how his squad leader had kidnapped a young Iraqi teenage girl and made between $500 and $600 selling her to other GIs who took turns raping her. Finally, when she couldn't stand it anymore, she killed herself. This made the storyteller bust out laughing. Har-dee-har-har-har.

    Moms and dads, if you have youngsters thinking about enlisting, be very aware of the kind of people your kids will be exposed to.

    And no, I'm not some "hippy" with a grudge against our wondrous military. I spent nearly three decades in uniform in a variety of roles. As an Air Force colonel once said to me, describing his time in Vietnam in a special operations squadron that worked with Special Forces soldiers, "Some were the finest soldiers I've ever known, while others were nothing but animals." That pretty well sums up what anyone will encounter in the military. Some are wonderful people and lifelong friends but others are the worst you'll ever encounter.

    I have a cousin who was (a grunt) in the First Cavalry in Vietnam during 1968. He tells me around 95% of the men were good people. The Special Forces (or Rangers) could be very rough characters, as you indicate.

    • Replies: @Piglet
    Pick up a copy of "Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam" by Nick Turse to find out what really went on. You'll never look at that war, or any other war, the same way again.
  66. Are they kidding! They want to give wings to undeserving, incompetent “people” based on their race. Sorry, being a pilot is one profession that this diversity for the sake of diversity bullshit has absolutely no business in. Let ’em eek and ook raycizm all day. Fuck ’em!

  67. The Air Force needs to be decommissioned. There is no longer a tactical or strategic reason for their existence. Time to recreate the Army Air Corp so that the Army can have close air support they control rather than the Air Force. Time to dig up all the intercontinental ballistic missiles as they are only targets for other ICBMs. Put the Space Force under the auspices of the Nuclear Submarine Navy. They know exactly what it would be like to journey into a totally inhospitable place using remote sensing equipment to guide them. Also they know how to survive long periods of isolation. Yea. The Air Force is obsolete.

    • Replies: @Piglet
    That was the Army Air Corps, but what you're really referring to was the Army Air Forces. To explain the difference, lineage, etc., would take too long and be way off the main topic anyway.
  68. @Mr. Rational

    in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It’s very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.
     
    Bessie Coleman died because her mechanic had dropped a wrench into the flight controls and it caused them to jam while aloft.

    Failing to ground the aircraft until the wrench was recovered was downright idiocy, but isn't this the defining characteristic of what we call TNB?

    I wasn’t aware of the cause of Bessie Coleman’s accident. I’m definitely not trying to defend the Air Force’s agenda. I hope that I made that clear. I was merely pointing out that there were a number of accomplished women pilots, and even a few Negroes, who had taken flight during the dawn of aviation. I do believe that there was a certain amount of “Devil may care” attitude that accompanied the exploits of the early flyers. I am quite aware of the fact that the simple cockpit layouts of joy stick, rudder pedals, and rudimentary flying instruments, contained in a fabric covered, wooden framed, aircraft, held together with glue and bailing wire, is a far cry from the modern avionics and composite materials used in the construction of today’s airplanes.

    Some of the contrivances that inventors put their faith in were, it would seem, obviously doomed to fail. Yet, off they went undaunted and headlong into disasters. The only parallels that I can see in modern aviation are test pilots of high performance aircraft and astronauts, where, even with all of the mathematical and scientific advances, a great quantity of unknown and unforeseen factors still exist.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    the simple cockpit layouts of joy stick, rudder pedals, and rudimentary flying instruments, contained in a fabric covered, wooden framed, aircraft, held together with glue and bailing wire, is a far cry from the modern avionics and composite materials used in the construction of today’s airplanes.
     
    You'd be surprised.  In your basic trainer the major thing you'd have that a Jenny wouldn't is an electric turn and bank and maybe an attitude indicator, and you don't use them much when flying VFR.  The biggest problem a modern student would have taking a Jenny around the pattern is learning how to taxi and land a taildragger vs. tricycle gear; the actual flight controls would be no real adjustment.  Aluminum or composite vs. fabric isn't something you're going to feel much from the cockpit; the big difference there is going to be the low wing loading and slow flight and stall speeds.

    When you get down to it, a lot of the details of an airplane are fixed by the characteristics of air, airfoils, engines and the need of humans to be housed and see around themselves.  Engines and materials have changed a bit at the low end and we have better airfoils, but the rest is all the same as when the Wright brothers first flew.  Form follows function.

  69. @Cowtown Rebel
    I wasn't aware of the cause of Bessie Coleman's accident. I'm definitely not trying to defend the Air Force's agenda. I hope that I made that clear. I was merely pointing out that there were a number of accomplished women pilots, and even a few Negroes, who had taken flight during the dawn of aviation. I do believe that there was a certain amount of "Devil may care" attitude that accompanied the exploits of the early flyers. I am quite aware of the fact that the simple cockpit layouts of joy stick, rudder pedals, and rudimentary flying instruments, contained in a fabric covered, wooden framed, aircraft, held together with glue and bailing wire, is a far cry from the modern avionics and composite materials used in the construction of today's airplanes.

    Some of the contrivances that inventors put their faith in were, it would seem, obviously doomed to fail. Yet, off they went undaunted and headlong into disasters. The only parallels that I can see in modern aviation are test pilots of high performance aircraft and astronauts, where, even with all of the mathematical and scientific advances, a great quantity of unknown and unforeseen factors still exist.

    the simple cockpit layouts of joy stick, rudder pedals, and rudimentary flying instruments, contained in a fabric covered, wooden framed, aircraft, held together with glue and bailing wire, is a far cry from the modern avionics and composite materials used in the construction of today’s airplanes.

    You’d be surprised.  In your basic trainer the major thing you’d have that a Jenny wouldn’t is an electric turn and bank and maybe an attitude indicator, and you don’t use them much when flying VFR.  The biggest problem a modern student would have taking a Jenny around the pattern is learning how to taxi and land a taildragger vs. tricycle gear; the actual flight controls would be no real adjustment.  Aluminum or composite vs. fabric isn’t something you’re going to feel much from the cockpit; the big difference there is going to be the low wing loading and slow flight and stall speeds.

    When you get down to it, a lot of the details of an airplane are fixed by the characteristics of air, airfoils, engines and the need of humans to be housed and see around themselves.  Engines and materials have changed a bit at the low end and we have better airfoils, but the rest is all the same as when the Wright brothers first flew.  Form follows function.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "In your basic trainer the major thing you’d have that a Jenny wouldn’t is an electric turn and bank and maybe an attitude indicator, and you don’t use them much when flying VFR."
     
    Well, those things plus one wing, an electric starter, and a dual magneto ignition system.
  70. @skidder
    Equality of opportunity, not outcome. Let the best person get the job. What moron thinks that diversity should a factor in selecting pilots?
  71. @Mr. Rational

    the simple cockpit layouts of joy stick, rudder pedals, and rudimentary flying instruments, contained in a fabric covered, wooden framed, aircraft, held together with glue and bailing wire, is a far cry from the modern avionics and composite materials used in the construction of today’s airplanes.
     
    You'd be surprised.  In your basic trainer the major thing you'd have that a Jenny wouldn't is an electric turn and bank and maybe an attitude indicator, and you don't use them much when flying VFR.  The biggest problem a modern student would have taking a Jenny around the pattern is learning how to taxi and land a taildragger vs. tricycle gear; the actual flight controls would be no real adjustment.  Aluminum or composite vs. fabric isn't something you're going to feel much from the cockpit; the big difference there is going to be the low wing loading and slow flight and stall speeds.

    When you get down to it, a lot of the details of an airplane are fixed by the characteristics of air, airfoils, engines and the need of humans to be housed and see around themselves.  Engines and materials have changed a bit at the low end and we have better airfoils, but the rest is all the same as when the Wright brothers first flew.  Form follows function.

    “In your basic trainer the major thing you’d have that a Jenny wouldn’t is an electric turn and bank and maybe an attitude indicator, and you don’t use them much when flying VFR.”

    Well, those things plus one wing, an electric starter, and a dual magneto ignition system.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Electric starter?  I've hand-propped a C-152 that had a low battery.
  72. @Tinker
    I passed my check ride first try. In a plane I didn’t have a lot of time in. I’m a white male. Does this mean I’m a bad person?

    Congratulations, Mr. Tinker! Did your instructor cut out the back of your shirt like in the old times?

    I’m late to this thread but did want to remark that that Tom Cotton bill does nothing but give non-white-men free private pilot certificates. How’s AA feel, when you sweated out every 0.1 hr click on that Hobbs meter?

  73. – The other day it occurred to me that all twelve on the moon were White, able-bodied, hetero males and, IIRC, even Christian; not one single quadriplegic Falascha lesbian. NOT ONE !!!
    To add insult to injury, the last one was named SCHMITT*!!!! I mean, how sick can you get?

    It´s almost like the Big Bad Nazis themselves had ran the Apollo prog

    Oh, wait … that didn´t come out right.
    But for the grace of Affirmative Action (TM) only the goddess knows whereal they´d have put their stinking White male boots by now; Mars, Titan, Europa …
    Why not Venus I ask you hunh? HUNH??!!
    Eurocentrist chauvinist pigs, the lot of them.

    * I had the opportunity to hear Prof. Schmitt and went with high expectations – wot with the only scientist on the moon and in my field to boot – but was somewhat underwhelmed …
    a paleoRepublican pep talk fit for a midwestern high school. He probably mistook our “Academy of Sciences” for some “MLK Academy for Excellence” ;b
    I do second Gene Shoemaker´s (NASA chief of very hard sciences and the only man to be buried on the moon) verdict that Apollo was a grossly overpriced dick measuring contest that could have been done five years earlier at less than one tenth of the cost, but without the flag raising.
    [shrug] Chacun à son goût.

    But seriously, folks …
    what on Earth (and above) has affirmative action availed Them … other than now making it a safe bet that EVERY black and/or female professional is INCOMPETENT?!
    (… which I regard as somewhat unfair to the specimens of either I have seen hold their own – but when I need a pilot, a doctor, …?)

  74. Well !!! By all means we should lower the qualifications to whatever level it is necessary to achieve the goal of having the highest acceptable number of crashes of these multi-million dollar aircraft. Just out of curiosity ; what is the highest acceptable number of crashes ??

  75. @Loren Piller
    The Air Force needs to be decommissioned. There is no longer a tactical or strategic reason for their existence. Time to recreate the Army Air Corp so that the Army can have close air support they control rather than the Air Force. Time to dig up all the intercontinental ballistic missiles as they are only targets for other ICBMs. Put the Space Force under the auspices of the Nuclear Submarine Navy. They know exactly what it would be like to journey into a totally inhospitable place using remote sensing equipment to guide them. Also they know how to survive long periods of isolation. Yea. The Air Force is obsolete.

    That was the Army Air Corps, but what you’re really referring to was the Army Air Forces. To explain the difference, lineage, etc., would take too long and be way off the main topic anyway.

  76. @David In TN
    I have a cousin who was (a grunt) in the First Cavalry in Vietnam during 1968. He tells me around 95% of the men were good people. The Special Forces (or Rangers) could be very rough characters, as you indicate.

    Pick up a copy of “Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam” by Nick Turse to find out what really went on. You’ll never look at that war, or any other war, the same way again.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    I've heard dozens of stories and read dozens of books about "what really went on." Some of the tales told to me had something to them, some were from characters who never set foot in Vietnam.

    FWIW I presume you believe the North Vietnam forces and VC were saints from heaven who scrupulously adhered to the Rules of War.

    An uncle was an infantrymen in WW II (France, surrounded in Bastogne, final push into Germany). He told me long, long ago "We would have orders to kill anything that moved."

    What's laughable is your apparent belief Americans in Vietnam haven't been relentlessly bashed by Opinion Makers, writers, popular culture, etc, for some 50 years now.
  77. @The Alarmist

    "In your basic trainer the major thing you’d have that a Jenny wouldn’t is an electric turn and bank and maybe an attitude indicator, and you don’t use them much when flying VFR."
     
    Well, those things plus one wing, an electric starter, and a dual magneto ignition system.

    Electric starter?  I’ve hand-propped a C-152 that had a low battery.

  78. @Mr. Rational

    in those years, the life span of an aviator was frequently very short, and many of them, men and women, white and black, perished in crashes. It’s very hard to determine whether bravery or foolishness was their defining characteristic.
     
    Bessie Coleman died because her mechanic had dropped a wrench into the flight controls and it caused them to jam while aloft.

    Failing to ground the aircraft until the wrench was recovered was downright idiocy, but isn't this the defining characteristic of what we call TNB?

    Yes, that seems to be a pattern. Back in South Africa, they have a single nuclear power station. During routine maintenance, the affirmative action technician dropped a 9-inch bolt and it fell in behind the armature where he couldn’t reach it. So, what’s a muntu to do? He requisitioned a replacement bolt and put it all back together again.

    When they started it up again, of course the bolt rattling around damaged the armature beyond repair, and they had to order a new one from France. It was out of action for months. I saw it being delivered, and, as you can imagine, it was huge.

  79. @Piglet
    Pick up a copy of "Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam" by Nick Turse to find out what really went on. You'll never look at that war, or any other war, the same way again.

    I’ve heard dozens of stories and read dozens of books about “what really went on.” Some of the tales told to me had something to them, some were from characters who never set foot in Vietnam.

    FWIW I presume you believe the North Vietnam forces and VC were saints from heaven who scrupulously adhered to the Rules of War.

    An uncle was an infantrymen in WW II (France, surrounded in Bastogne, final push into Germany). He told me long, long ago “We would have orders to kill anything that moved.”

    What’s laughable is your apparent belief Americans in Vietnam haven’t been relentlessly bashed by Opinion Makers, writers, popular culture, etc, for some 50 years now.

    • Replies: @Piglet
    "Some of the tales told to me had something to them, some were from characters who never set foot in Vietnam."

    The book is largely based on operational reports, court-martial records, official statements by witnesses and those directly involved, etc. If you want to believe these are "tales," then so be it.

    "FWIW I presume you believe the North Vietnam forces and VC were saints from heaven who scrupulously adhered to the Rules of War."

    The author made it clear in the book's introduction that he was not attempting to ignore or deny war crimes committed by the other side, and he acknowledged they took place. The focus of his book was on those by US and allied forces and it digs deeper than any other book ever has, before or since.

    "An uncle was an infantrymen in WW II (France, surrounded in Bastogne, final push into Germany). He told me long, long ago “We would have orders to kill anything that moved.”

    I have a friend in Belgium who was ten years old in Bastogne during the siege. He was hit in the shoulder by a chunk of shrapnel and would have lost his arm if not for the medics in the 101st Airborne Division. When the siege was broken, he was evacuated and he fully recovered. If American troops had truly been killing "anything that moved" in Belgium, to include innocent civilians, my friend would never had made it past ten, and he wouldn't be the big fan of the US Army and the 101st that he is today.

    "What’s laughable is your apparent belief Americans in Vietnam haven’t been relentlessly bashed by Opinion Makers, writers, popular culture, etc, for some 50 years now."

    You said that, not me, but the reality is that no one dug up and revealed what author Nick Turse did, and few wish they face it. A friend who was in the 101st in Vietnam described how people don't want to believe that Americans could commit war crimes and atrocities but his own experience taught him that Americans are no different than anyone else -- no worse, but also no better.

    There's really nothing magical about Americans.

    As Colin Flaherty writes, people are in "denial, deceit and delusion" and that's not just regarding TNB.
  80. @David In TN
    I've heard dozens of stories and read dozens of books about "what really went on." Some of the tales told to me had something to them, some were from characters who never set foot in Vietnam.

    FWIW I presume you believe the North Vietnam forces and VC were saints from heaven who scrupulously adhered to the Rules of War.

    An uncle was an infantrymen in WW II (France, surrounded in Bastogne, final push into Germany). He told me long, long ago "We would have orders to kill anything that moved."

    What's laughable is your apparent belief Americans in Vietnam haven't been relentlessly bashed by Opinion Makers, writers, popular culture, etc, for some 50 years now.

    “Some of the tales told to me had something to them, some were from characters who never set foot in Vietnam.”

    The book is largely based on operational reports, court-martial records, official statements by witnesses and those directly involved, etc. If you want to believe these are “tales,” then so be it.

    “FWIW I presume you believe the North Vietnam forces and VC were saints from heaven who scrupulously adhered to the Rules of War.”

    The author made it clear in the book’s introduction that he was not attempting to ignore or deny war crimes committed by the other side, and he acknowledged they took place. The focus of his book was on those by US and allied forces and it digs deeper than any other book ever has, before or since.

    “An uncle was an infantrymen in WW II (France, surrounded in Bastogne, final push into Germany). He told me long, long ago “We would have orders to kill anything that moved.”

    I have a friend in Belgium who was ten years old in Bastogne during the siege. He was hit in the shoulder by a chunk of shrapnel and would have lost his arm if not for the medics in the 101st Airborne Division. When the siege was broken, he was evacuated and he fully recovered. If American troops had truly been killing “anything that moved” in Belgium, to include innocent civilians, my friend would never had made it past ten, and he wouldn’t be the big fan of the US Army and the 101st that he is today.

    “What’s laughable is your apparent belief Americans in Vietnam haven’t been relentlessly bashed by Opinion Makers, writers, popular culture, etc, for some 50 years now.”

    You said that, not me, but the reality is that no one dug up and revealed what author Nick Turse did, and few wish they face it. A friend who was in the 101st in Vietnam described how people don’t want to believe that Americans could commit war crimes and atrocities but his own experience taught him that Americans are no different than anyone else — no worse, but also no better.

    There’s really nothing magical about Americans.

    As Colin Flaherty writes, people are in “denial, deceit and delusion” and that’s not just regarding TNB.

  81. Turse’s intention was to play down atrocities by the other side.

    According to court-martial records, there were more American military personnel charged and convicted of rape or murder of civilians in a year and a half in WW II’s European theater than during the whole of the American experience in Vietnam.

    One of them was the father of the sainted Emmett Till, who was hanged.

    American medical personnel treated wounded Vietnamese all the time. Why do you think every South Vietnamese who could came to the United States?

    If you are unaware Americans in Vietnam have been relentlessly attacked by writers, popular culture, etc, you are abysmally ignorant.

    To use an old expression, Americans in Vietnam “fought the enemy as they fought us.” In war that’s the way it ends up.

    • Replies: @Piglet
    Turse's intention was not to play down what the other side did, but rather to expose what had remained hidden for decades, and what few wanted to bring up.

    One reason for the lack of courts martial in Vietnam for war crimes was that Vietnamese lives were held in such low regard, in what Turse noted was the "mere gook rule." Truck drivers ran over pedestrians for sport. Crewmen on low-flying transport aircraft shot at them for amusement. Dead Vietnamese were counted as enemy KIA. Punishments (if any) for war crimes were typically notoriously light.

    "If you are unaware Americans in Vietnam have been relentlessly attacked by writers, popular culture, etc, you are abysmally ignorant."

    Hell yes, I'm aware. I was in the military as the war was coming to an end and I was well aware of what was being said and written at the time. I was also aware of people around me in uniform who had collected ears, mutilated the dead and abused the living for fun, etc. I knew some very bad things had been done but, like most people, I had my eyes opened by Turse's research. I knew it had been bad but I didn't know just how bad it really had been, and what people wearing the same uniform had done.

    Read the book yourself. I must warn you, however, that you won't like what you learn. People like to believe that only foreigners commit atrocities, but that's just not so.
  82. @David In TN
    Turse's intention was to play down atrocities by the other side.

    According to court-martial records, there were more American military personnel charged and convicted of rape or murder of civilians in a year and a half in WW II's European theater than during the whole of the American experience in Vietnam.

    One of them was the father of the sainted Emmett Till, who was hanged.

    American medical personnel treated wounded Vietnamese all the time. Why do you think every South Vietnamese who could came to the United States?

    If you are unaware Americans in Vietnam have been relentlessly attacked by writers, popular culture, etc, you are abysmally ignorant.

    To use an old expression, Americans in Vietnam "fought the enemy as they fought us." In war that's the way it ends up.

    Turse’s intention was not to play down what the other side did, but rather to expose what had remained hidden for decades, and what few wanted to bring up.

    One reason for the lack of courts martial in Vietnam for war crimes was that Vietnamese lives were held in such low regard, in what Turse noted was the “mere gook rule.” Truck drivers ran over pedestrians for sport. Crewmen on low-flying transport aircraft shot at them for amusement. Dead Vietnamese were counted as enemy KIA. Punishments (if any) for war crimes were typically notoriously light.

    “If you are unaware Americans in Vietnam have been relentlessly attacked by writers, popular culture, etc, you are abysmally ignorant.”

    Hell yes, I’m aware. I was in the military as the war was coming to an end and I was well aware of what was being said and written at the time. I was also aware of people around me in uniform who had collected ears, mutilated the dead and abused the living for fun, etc. I knew some very bad things had been done but, like most people, I had my eyes opened by Turse’s research. I knew it had been bad but I didn’t know just how bad it really had been, and what people wearing the same uniform had done.

    Read the book yourself. I must warn you, however, that you won’t like what you learn. People like to believe that only foreigners commit atrocities, but that’s just not so.

    • Replies: @Jim in Jersey
    Men in war.

    We expect ‘gentlemanly’ behavior in the worst, most violent times. I don’t know if we can be that naive anymore.

    We hear about chivalrous actions during the civil war. I recall the body of General Phil Kearny being returned after he was killed in action, his sword with him. Sincere words of gallantry being written by the very men responsible for his death.

    Fast forward to viet nam and the Chinese using every ‘cease fire’ to better their position and reapply while we stood around with our thumbs up our collective asses.

    We’re no longer living in an age of gallantry. We can no longer expect our enemy to treat us with anything other than contempt and violence. I’m not sure how I feel about following them down the same savage pathway but the ‘wars’ we fight and the manner in which they are fought so not allow for the segregation of military and civilian populations. Still now, in our illegal conflicts overseas, we fight peoples embedded with indigenous peoples with no way of designating who is who.

    The only way to know is when the shooting starts. Sometimes not even then.

    I bought a box of WWII memorabilia at an auction once. Turned out the officer was part of the military tribunal system and I was surprised at the amount of criminal activity they were dealing with in the wake of an actual declared war! Rape, murder, theft were not uncommon enough for me.

    To the victor, I suppose.

    The world has changed. War is like sausage. A lot goes into it and it’s better off if you don’t know too much about it if you’re going to partake.

    Stay out of other peoples conflicts is the best advice I can come up with.
  83. @Piglet
    Turse's intention was not to play down what the other side did, but rather to expose what had remained hidden for decades, and what few wanted to bring up.

    One reason for the lack of courts martial in Vietnam for war crimes was that Vietnamese lives were held in such low regard, in what Turse noted was the "mere gook rule." Truck drivers ran over pedestrians for sport. Crewmen on low-flying transport aircraft shot at them for amusement. Dead Vietnamese were counted as enemy KIA. Punishments (if any) for war crimes were typically notoriously light.

    "If you are unaware Americans in Vietnam have been relentlessly attacked by writers, popular culture, etc, you are abysmally ignorant."

    Hell yes, I'm aware. I was in the military as the war was coming to an end and I was well aware of what was being said and written at the time. I was also aware of people around me in uniform who had collected ears, mutilated the dead and abused the living for fun, etc. I knew some very bad things had been done but, like most people, I had my eyes opened by Turse's research. I knew it had been bad but I didn't know just how bad it really had been, and what people wearing the same uniform had done.

    Read the book yourself. I must warn you, however, that you won't like what you learn. People like to believe that only foreigners commit atrocities, but that's just not so.

    Men in war.

    We expect ‘gentlemanly’ behavior in the worst, most violent times. I don’t know if we can be that naive anymore.

    We hear about chivalrous actions during the civil war. I recall the body of General Phil Kearny being returned after he was killed in action, his sword with him. Sincere words of gallantry being written by the very men responsible for his death.

    Fast forward to viet nam and the Chinese using every ‘cease fire’ to better their position and reapply while we stood around with our thumbs up our collective asses.

    We’re no longer living in an age of gallantry. We can no longer expect our enemy to treat us with anything other than contempt and violence. I’m not sure how I feel about following them down the same savage pathway but the ‘wars’ we fight and the manner in which they are fought so not allow for the segregation of military and civilian populations. Still now, in our illegal conflicts overseas, we fight peoples embedded with indigenous peoples with no way of designating who is who.

    The only way to know is when the shooting starts. Sometimes not even then.

    I bought a box of WWII memorabilia at an auction once. Turned out the officer was part of the military tribunal system and I was surprised at the amount of criminal activity they were dealing with in the wake of an actual declared war! Rape, murder, theft were not uncommon enough for me.

    To the victor, I suppose.

    The world has changed. War is like sausage. A lot goes into it and it’s better off if you don’t know too much about it if you’re going to partake.

    Stay out of other peoples conflicts is the best advice I can come up with.

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