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Given the current federal government shut-down over funding of a border-wall and the continuing increase in Internet censorship and “deplatforming,” I’ve decided I might as well publish a lengthy note I’d privately circulated last year to a considerable number of individuals, many of whom were then prominently associated with the “Alt-Right” movement.

A few people had suggested at the time that I release it, but I felt I was much too preoccupied with my software work to involve myself in any resulting discussion. The heated reaction to my recent discussion of racial politics in California does indicate that these issues still deserve a wider audience.

Very little has happened in the last fifteen months that would cause me to reconsider any of my views.

A Confidential Note to Various “Alt-Right” People and Others
Dated: August 21, 2017

I’ve been very dismayed by the recent “political purge” being conducted by some of the largest Internet companies, in which numerous controversial websites of the “Alt Right” have suddenly been “disappeared,” and in which all sorts of basic Internet services such as PayPal have been terminated to many of the others on grounds of political ideology. Some of these sites might eventually come back, but I’d assume that others are gone forever.

This is a very disheartening development, and has enormous negative implications for freedom of thought on the Internet. I’m very busy with my own software work, but have already run or republished a number of highly critical articles of this purge on my website, and will certainly continue to do so in the future. I’ve also run numerous articles suggesting that the current excuse for this purge, namely the recent violence at Charlottesville, is being heavily slanted and misreported in the MSM.

There’s also a chance that some of the projects I’m currently working on might somewhat help somewhat mitigate this situation, though none of you should much count upon that for the immediate future.

However, that being said, I’d like to provide some very candid observations regarding what I think were some of the factors over the years that put all of you in this terrible predicament. Whether or not you decide to accept my conclusions is your own choice, but the sentiments I’m expressing are entirely sincere.

First, I’m sure that all of you realize that there are very powerful interests that are extremely hostile to your positions, and which are always looking for some means of shutting you down, one way or another. These groups possess enormous wealth, media power, and political connections and none of you have any of those things. Under such circumstances, I think that the “risky behavior” in which some of you have chosen to indulge has contributed to your situation.

I’d also like to emphasize that many of your opponents, whether in the commanding heights of power or in the form of “antifa”-associated radical activists, engage in all sorts of questionable and dishonest behavior as well, saying all sorts of things that are extreme or just aren’t true. But since their side almost entirely controls the distribution of information in the MSM and elsewhere, they can get away with these things while you yourselves cannot. That’s certainly not fair, but as the old saying goes “Life is Unfair.”

Now although I’m a software developer and live in the heart of Silicon Valley in Palo Alto, I’m really not part of the mainstream “tech community” and only very slightly know a few of the prominent figures in it. But I think I have a reasonably good sense of what’s going on and why they’re taking the absolutely unprecedented step of purging many of you from the Internet.

My strong impression is that most of the leading Silicon Valley people are generally pretty nice and reasonable, but are very politically unsophisticated. They’re totally focused on technology and business issues, and with a few exceptions here and there, don’t really pay any deep attention to politics or ideological matters, sub-contracting out those things to the same “mainstream” opinion-forming elites who provide that role for almost everyone else in our society. Just think of the leading Silicon Valley people as your pleasant, college-educated next door neighbors, who sporadically catch the regular news on TV, glance at the newspaper headlines, and regard that as the reality of the world.

As an example, when “everyone says” that Russia hacked our presidential election, well, then, I suppose that Russia must have hacked our presidential election. And pretty much the same applies to matters of race, ethnicity, and social policy.

Now most sensible people somewhat weigh the reality presented in the MSM against what they actually experience in their day-to-day lives, and if there’s a sharp divergence between the two, they may gradually become suspicious of the MSM, and begin turning to alternate sources of information, even including the sort of ideological views presented on your own websites. That’s obviously why your own readership has risen quite a lot over the last few years, and why Donald Trump stunned America’s elites by winning the presidency despite 99% opposition in the MSM. Maybe all the TV programs told working class whites in the Midwest or the South that things under Obama were great and Trump was horrible, but when they looked around themselves, they saw something totally different, so they decided the MSM was just lying and voted Trump.

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But the problem that all of you face is that when people in Silicon Valley look around themselves, what they see reasonably matches the claims of the MSM, while if they ever visit Breitbart, let alone any of your own Alt-Right websites, you mostly come across like a bunch of total lunatics. Therefore, when the MSM recently claimed that you were all a bunch of violent, murderous madmen, they stampeded the Silicon Valley people into deciding to help shut all of you down as a public service to America.

Let’s take a few salient issues. Over the last year or two, I’d guess that 70% of the most visible and heated rhetoric coming from Donald Trump has involved ferocious attacks on Muslims, Mexicans, and immigrants in general, and certainly that’s also been a major theme of his backers both in the Alt-Right and the Alt-Lite.

Now obviously, almost every mainstream/prominent figure in American politics and media, Democrat and Republican, has denounced these attacks in the strongest possible terms as “racist,” “bigoted,” etc. But that had no impact upon Trump’s support in e.g. West Virginia, since the people there watched FoxNews shows about Muslims conquering America and imposing Sharia law, and had become very fearful. The fact that ordinary West Virginians have almost no real life contact with Mexicans, Muslims, or immigrants left them open to such nonsense.

But Silicon Valley is a different story. One-third of the local population consists of Hispanic immigrants, mostly Mexican and a large fraction from an illegal immigrant background. There are huge numbers of other immigrants in the technology industry, and a noticeable slice of them are Muslims. Nearly all of these groups seem like perfectly fine people, very few are criminals, and virtually none are terrorists. Trump and Ann Coulter and others may talk about swarming hordes of “Mexican rapists,” but they just don’t seem to exist in real life. Rightwingers may claim that immigrant crime has been forcing affluent whites to barricade themselves inside gated communities, but Silicon Valley has no gated communities. For twenty years, Steve Jobs lived in an ordinary house sitting on an ordinary street, one which wouldn’t have seemed too out of place in the white-bread San Fernando Valley of the 1950s, and the same is true for many of the other top Silicon Valley execs.

Alt-Right people are always talking about the horrific future consequences of white Europeans becoming a minority, but they already became a minority decades ago in Silicon Valley, and these days are probably down to around 30% or so. Yet everything is perfectly fine here. Well, not perfectly fine since everyone is always complaining about traffic being terrible and housing prices ridiculously high, but these aren’t exactly the central concerns raised by the Alt-Right.

California overall is almost 40% Hispanic these days, heading towards an outright majority, and the top two leaders in the State Legislature are Hispanic, as are many of the other members. But although tearing down “racist” Civil War monuments has become the burning issue in the South and along the East Coast, there hasn’t been the slightest talk of doing anything to the various monuments or towns honoring various figures from the Mexican-American War or the annexation of California. Frankly, the whole notion would seem so ridiculous it would just be laughed out of court.

Admittedly, some of the renaming nonsense did recently spread to ultra-liberal Palo Alto. Some ultra-PC immigrant from Sweden was horrified to discover that two of the local middle schools, Terman and Jordan, were named after pro-eugenicist academics from the Stanford of a century ago, and despite opposition he stampeded the Palo Alto school board into voting to rename those schools, but although it’s ridiculous, it’s not exactly the same thing as what’s been happening with mobs attacking those those statues in New Orleans and elsewhere.

So the problem is that when people notice that many of the things your organizations are saying are absolutely 100% contrary to what they actually see in their ordinary lives, they quickly conclude that you’re just as crazy as your critics in the MSM always say you are, and they immediately dismiss all of your other claims and ideas. Perhaps that’s not entirely fair, but it’s what happens.

Meanwhile, certain other “alt-right”-type issues have very little daily resonance in Silicon Valley. For example, black behavior here is just as problematical as it is elsewhere, and blacks are responsible for a remarkably high fraction of all the serious local crime. But since there are very few blacks, it’s relatively easy for local “good-thinking” people to pretend not to notice the problem. Overall, California has by far the lowest black percentage of any large state, and for Silicon Valley, the figure is something like 3%, of which a relatively high fraction are middle-class engineers and such, while overall crime rates are too low for it to be much of an issue. Anyway, my impression was that Trump and his people were far too PC to ever talk much about black crime, instead focusing their concerns on the deadly threat of pro-Iranian terrorists and Islamic Shariah Law and all that sort of nonsense.

The bottom line is that some of the things the Alt-Right has been saying for years are generally true while other things are generally false. Your misfortune is that it is the falsehoods which have the most day-to-day presence in the lives of the Silicon Valley community, thus leading to their total dismissal of your entire message, and perhaps the blacklisting of most of your websites and organizations, thereby setting a very dangerous precedent for the future of the First Amendment in America.

At this stage, I’m really not sure that any of you can do anything, and anyway maybe the newly Neoconized Trump administration will get us all into some crazy nuclear war with Russia or China or both, rendering this whole website situation completely moot. But I thought I might as well provide you my honest appraisal of how you got into these difficulties.

Like I said, I’m very busy with my software work, so perhaps I shouldn’t have taken the time to send this note, but the overall Internet trends are so unfortunate, I decided to put together a few quick words on the matter.

Ron Unz
August 21, 2017

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  1. Beautiful and touching essay Ron. We ought to be better than those Knee-jerk (((Breitbartards))) and must realize that although publications like those can blow a lot of hot smoke, they don’t really have a nuanced view of things like your webzine does (through people of a wide variety of opinions publish articles putting their take for all to see).

    Naturally, webzines like yours, with relatively intellectual people reading and commenting on it, are a much more serious threat to the powers that be. So have you considered about creating a backup of your TREMENDOUS archive?? And would it be possible to mirror it across different parts of the world lest things get, let’s say “interesting” in the US with a real crackdown on dissent?

    Regarding your other article, it did generate furious debate and of course a lot of fruitful discussion punctuated by sometimes funny, sometime crass ad-hominem attacks but such is life and people. Nonetheless, what made the conversation charged was your refusal to back down from your stand on immigration in California which is way more nuanced than can be presented in a mere comment. Which just shows how principled you are as a man, a most redeeming quality that seems to be fading out fast!

    Nonetheless please keep up the good work and may yours be a voice of reason and sanity, among the satanic insanity that seems to be have gripped the global elite. Their dark vision for the entire world is of a mongrelized monoculture of globo-homo, of barely human state approved bots parroting the politically correct state sponsored narrative. You are fighting the good fight. Whether we “win” or “lose” is secondary. What’s important is we tried and your webzine is indeed on the forefront of this effort! Kudos to you Mr. Unz!!

    • Replies: @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid
    Ironic - Ron pens a Hallmark card decrying our political diviseness over immigration, and the first comment outta the gate is a string of ad hominem insults (between lotsa blowing smoke up Ron's ass).

    This is hands down the new best site on the 'Net, but all his political life Ron hasn't understood the concept of national borders. If Juan down the block hasn't murdered someone today all is good in Paradise. Never mind that placing 85-IQ personnel in key infrastructure positions renders a country on a par with Mexico.

    Jews and immigration ... they'll never get it.
    , @gustafus21
    Not at all what I expected from Unz. He enjoys the economic segregation of Palo Alto - while the rest of us are picked off at the margins of purple cities.

    Of course silicon valley types think we're nuts. For those who can't flee to white burbs,,, it's kill or be killed time.

    All those "harmless" Muslims in silicon valley are breeding like bot flies... knowing and hoping they can distance themselves from the worst of Sharia law they are advancing...

    And as to the Mexicans ... they are NOT tagging the buildings in his neighborhood, but for those who travel hours to clean the shit off his toilets.

    All in all, I am stunned that THIS is the host of such a wonderful gathering place for the likes of Kevin MacDonald and even dedicated RACISTS, XENOPHOBES and ANTI SEMITES - like me.

    No apologies. I take my Jews and darkies on a need to basis..... I expect the worst, and am happily surprised if they rise to the absolute minimum I require in comportment.
    , @Leon Haller
    What a confused comment! You live down to your moniker!

    " Their dark vision for the entire world is of a mongrelized monoculture of globo-homo, of barely human state approved bots parroting the politically correct state sponsored narrative. "

    Ummm ... what do you think is the driving power behind the realization of this "dark vision"? Let's see ... that demographic warfare mechanism known as mass immigration, perhaps? I, too, am a native Californian a bit older than Unz. I recall when CA was solidly "Reagan Country". OK, actually, it was always a swing state, but the point is that it was one in which the GOP routinely won statewide elections. Between Govs. Deukmajian and Wilson, we had 16 straight years of GOP gubernatorial rule in the 80s-90s (not to forget the Gipper in the 60s-70s; and even RINO "Ahnold" in the 00s). During most of that time, until 1992, the state went GOP in the Electoral College, too.

    Can anyone, including the typically intelligent, but atypically honest and aboveboard, but nevertheless still immigration-invasion-exculpationist Jew, Ron Unz, imagine that CA will ever again elect a GOP Governor? Why not? What changed about the CA electorate over the past 50 years? Were we all indoctrinated by our Marxist education factories (yes, to some extent)? Or was the electorate itself changed via the importation since 1970 of 22+MILLION nonwhite alien settler-colonialists, who everywhere vote between 4-8/1 Democrat over Republican? Even Unz knows the answer, though he still pretends that post-1965 immigration is not THE greatest disaster ever to befall White Christian America (aka "America"). I have fought that invasion since the mid 1970s.

    There is ZERO "nuance" on immigration.
  2. SOLUTION TO POLITICAL NET CENSORSHIP—STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

    Thanks for the article, Sir. I think the people who are doing the internet censoring are not ordinary silicon valley engineers—they are the bosses at the top, such as the Saudis who own twitter, the Judaists who own FAcebook and Google, who are rabidly anti-American and anti-white.

    I am disappointed that the Republicans had control of both Houses and the White house in the last 2 years, but did not pass any law banning political censorship or political discrimination on the internet.

    I think the states should now take a lead. States should pass a law banning political discrimination by internet companies and payment processors by explicit legislation or declaring them as public utilities, etc.

    Ban a website for political speech (exc violence/porno)—1 million dollar fine per day.

    Every states in the US can pass this law.

    But even if ONE state only passes such a law, this problem will be solved, as it can acquire long arm jurisdiction over the entire company in the entire US, under the full faith and credit clause. People will flock to that state to sue Twitter, Paypal, Google, Facebook for banning them.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @redmudhooch

    I think the states should now take a lead. States should pass a law banning political discrimination by internet companies and payment processors by explicit legislation or declaring them as public utilities, etc.
     
    Wake up man. They are passing laws, anti-BDS laws, that are totally against free speech, my state Georgia has one, Texas has one, many Democrat states have one, and they're not done yet, they want to take it further, Israel demands your loyalty. Loyalty to a hostile foreign government, and the puppets in State and Federal govt. are more than happy to sell out their own nation and interests to give it to them.
    Good luck getting any of these puppets to protect free speech or any freedom for that matter, they're all corrupt as hell.
    Sad!

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/feinstein-sanders-urge-senate-not-to-include-anti-bds-law-in-spending-bill/
    , @Fidelios Automata
    Simply extend anti-discrimination laws to include political ideology. In principle, I'm against government regulation of the Internet. But as long as the left has legal protection in place for its favored minorities, we need to extend that protection to the right.
    , @geokat62

    ... they are the bosses at the top, such as the Saudis who own twitter...
     
    Not quite.

    Excerpt from This Saudi prince now owns more of Twitter than Jack Dorsey does:

    A Saudi prince has increased his holdings in Twitter, making him the company’s second largest shareholder.

    Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud, who in 2011 invested $300 million in the social network, now owns 34.9 million shares of Twitter’s common stock, according to a new regulatory filing (pdf).

    At nearly 5.2%, his stake in the company is now larger than that of Jack Dorsey, Twitter’s co-founder and newly re-minted CEO, whose 21.86 million shares give him 3.2% of the company, according to FactSet. (The prince previously had a stake of roughly 3%.)

    Twitter co-founder Ev Williams remains the company’s largest shareholder, with 46.56 million shares for a 6.9% stake.

    The investment might seem like a major stamp of approval for Dorsey, who was named Twitter’s permanent CEO on Oct. 5 and is tasked with turning around the company. (The prince’s updated holdings are as of Oct. 6.) But during Twitter’s CEO search, the billionaire prince was vocal about his opinion that Twitter needed a new CEO—i.e. someone other than Dorsey, who at the time was in the role on an interim basis.

    Alwaleed, who serves as majority owner and chairman of the Kingdom Holding Company, is also a significant investor in News Corp, Citigroup, and the Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts.
    https://qz.com/519388/this-saudi-prince-now-owns-more-of-twitter-than-jack-dorsey-does/
     
    , @Anwar
    "Saudis who own twitter..." Saudis don't control it. If the Kashoggi murder is any indication, the Saudis were grilled on all social platforms with almost the same intensity, including Twitter. You got to refine your thoughts a little further. I hope you don't also subscribe to Alex's Jones "Saudis control Hollywood" notion. The Kashoggi affair put all that to rest.
  3. On the other hand, the idea that all American wars are evil and wrong, that off-shoring is wrong, that reindustrialization is good, why these are true.

    • Replies: @Laika von old Monkshusen
    Well, in a desperate bid to turn the tide, that has now also become the policy of the criminal 'elite' (mafia) which controls the West. What they now most likely want (in the US) is something not unlike (their) fascism in the 30s in Europe.

    It seems likely Trump was their first choice after all, and the mafia used its propaganda machine, both the half-lying CIA controlled 'Alt-Right,' which directly promoted Trump, and the discredited regular (CIA) media which by demonizing him just as much promoted Trump indirectly.

    [since the 1953 coup d'états - when they managed to subvert the Soviet Union & Marxism-Leninism - until about Putin's Munich speech, they had a policy of subversion (keep them from rising) towards the whole world, including the overwhelming majority of Americans]
  4. I tend to agree with Peter Thiel’s characterization that politics in Silicon Valley is driven by fashion.

    In my view, Mark Zuckerberg’s support of Dreams, Black Lives Matter, Criminal Justice Reform and Marc Benioff’s threatening to pull Salesforce out of Indiana over Mike Pence’s ‘religious freedom’ bill indicate that tech leaders like socially (not economically) progressive ideas that are fashionable among elites. At some point, the tech leaders are tempted to purge to show solidarity with the fashionable views.

    • Agree: Simon in London
    • Replies: @dfordoom

    indicate that tech leaders like socially (not economically) progressive ideas that are fashionable among elites.
     
    They like socially progressive ideas because they're terrified of economically progressive ideas. If they keep pushing socially progressive ideas they hope that no-one will notice the ever-increasing economic inequality.

    They support the Cultural Left enthusiastically because they have nightmares that an actual Economic Left might arise and force them to give up a few of their billions.

    It's all about class but the alt-right is incapable of understanding such complicated subjects.

    It's really amusing to see alt-righters rabbiting on about IQ when their own comprehension of the world is so pathetically unsophisticated and naïve.
    , @RedMoonJournal
    The fact that elites in Silicon Valley are disconnected from the reality in much of the rest of the country is just one example of elites everywhere being out of touch. And it is not a new problem either. Our "intellectual" elites have been out of touch with regular Americans for decades. Just ask Pauline Kael.

    The problem with trying to silence an opinion that the masses may agree with is that by doing so you implicitly confirm it as true in the minds of those same people. That is why the move towards the right by the deplorables in fly-over-country is likely to continue regardless of what Silicon Valley or the MSM thinks.
    , @Anonymous
    A number of points in this article don’t really match up with the facts. For instance it’s been already empirically found by multiple studies (by leftist researchers even!) that more diversity leads to breakdown of community, contributions to charities, volunteerism, public activities, etc as well as turning people towards being less likely not more likely to prefer the close presence of ‘others’. This is true in both liberal and conservative communities. Also there was a recent computer simulation that demonstrated that ethnocentric-based government worked best. All around the world the majorities of people subjected to these multicultural experiments are recognizing what a colossal failure that multiculturalism is. This is not a case of everyone just suddenly coming down with a case of raving lunacy.
  5. At this stage, I’m really not sure that any of you can do anything

    This denouement really leaves much to be desired.

    I was expecting a punch-line, maybe a “try this one neat trick” lobbed at the reader.

    Very little has happened in the last fifteen months [i.e., Aug. 2017 to Dec. 2018] that would cause me to reconsider any of my views.

    ______________

    To try to pull out some implied advice:

    when people notice that many of the things your organizations are saying are absolutely 100% contrary to what they actually see in their ordinary lives, they quickly conclude that you’re just as crazy as your critics in the MSM always say you are

    Alt-Right people are always talking about the horrific future consequences of white Europeans becoming a minority

    I don’t see the mainline Alt-Right (to coin a term) talking like this (i.e., ranting about “horrific” consequences of a less-White America). The implied advice, anyway, seems to be to avoid rhetorical excesses. Sound advice, in theory.

    certain other “alt-right”-type issues have very little daily resonance in Silicon Valley

    Dr. Greg Johnson, long himself resident in the Bay Area, is an example of an Alt-Righter who consciously makes appeals to Silicon Valley types and similar types nationwide.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/Daniel_Friberg/status/1056313100666892290
  6. Glad you said it. It’s the colour problem. In black communities that were or are not exposed to images of violence and rap music, violent crime is a rarity. The two together are a trigger to violent random events, usually not the slightest political. Sharia law threat to the West is a nonsense. Might even be a good thing if the Western world adopted Islam. Bill Cosby said, the best behaved black community in America were the black Moslems. Pity he wasn’t one himself.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    "In black communities that were or are not exposed to images of violence and rap music, violent crime is a rarity."

    No such black communities exist, and rap music does not cause black violent crime, but is the expression of black violence.
    , @John Pepple

    Sharia law threat to the West is a nonsense.
     
    No, it’s not. There is virtually no resistance at the top to the imposition of shari’a on us. Consider this incident, in which a Muslim professor at the University of Connecticut demanded that students take their shoes off before entering his office and that they say “Bismillah”:

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11025

    That would have been unthinkable when I was young, either because our elites were Christian and resented anything non-Christian or because they were secularists who strongly believed in the separation of religion and state. Today, it can happen because resistance to anything Islamic is very weak among our elites.

    It is easy enough to imagine that twenty years from now, things will be even worse, that there will be immense pressure for everyone to convert. “It’s the least you can do after all the oppression our country has inflicted on Islamic lands.”
  7. Substantially, I agree with most of what you say. The issue is what to do about it.

    More or less at random, the following thoughts come to mind.

    First, those of us who engage in thought crime of whatever form need an alternative web that is at least more difficult to shut down. As long as we’re at the mercy of mainstream censors, we’ll never get anywhere.

    Meantime, the issue is whether to appease or outrage. This always poses a quandary; I see it a lot in my own area of especial concern: Israel. Do you carefully assure everyone you agree Israel has a right to exist, dutifully decry ‘terrorism,’ avoid ever referring to ‘Jews,’ etc — and work yourself into a position of total impotence?

    Or do you rage about the disproportionate power, influence, and privilege of Jews, denounce Israel as essentially a Nazi state, argue that any measures against it are justified, and so on — and find yourself off in a corner with twelve other ‘anti-semites’, banned by all?

    This is a general problem. To take the path of moderation, and remain ‘legitimate’ at the risk if becoming innocuous — or call a spade a spade at the risk of being completely marginalized?

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.

    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

    It’s like Obama birtherism, or 9/11 having all been staged, or any one of several such beliefs. It’s an immediate red flag that triggers a ‘shake your head and move on’ response from most people.

    Again, I’m not sure what to do about that. There’s little point in decrying mainstream censorship if we’re just going to muzzle ourselves. On the other hand…

    Well, that’s about it for now. Unz’s points are thought-provoking.

    • Agree: Kemidov
    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    Yes! I appreciate Ron's dedication to free speech, but the Holocaust denial thing does have a nasty taste to it. It's a lot like Vox Day's provocative inclusion of the notorious "Fourteen Words" in the Alt-Right manifesto -- principled, but the wrong hill to die on, in my opinion. I'm OK with Ron providing denialist source material, but I'd recommend balancing it out with marginalized works on other Holocausts, such as the Armenian genocide and the Holodomor. The radical Zionists hate sharing their victim card almost as much as they hate having it denied.
    , @Dieter Kief
    Sigh, too true. - .....the needle and the damage done - a little part of it in everyone...or I think of - - - - Freud's Death Drive (no specifically Jewish - rather a human thing - and a universal pubertarian thing as well: Let's make friends with the romantic losers, This is the End - My Only Friend, the End, no Laughter no Surprise Again, This is The End - - - - This is The Eeeeee-ee-nd..). The biggest kick comes from the greatest taboos. Sigh, sigh. In the end - what matters is to be alive 'n' kickin' though - let the dead bury their dead - to be alive means, to make mistakes (without our mistakes, there'd be no progress, and no need for redemption and transcendence, either - - - - - - - Merry Christmas!
    , @Svigor

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.
     

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn't a belief - it's the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn't exist until you disprove his existence; it's the other way around. You're actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    The Shoah goes in the "faith in Jesus" and "belief in Kennedy assassination plot" column, not in the column with skepticism and agnosticism. You've got witch-hunters in your camp, sharing your beliefs, lol. The Shoah correlates even more closely with religion when you consider how it's enforced by law throughout Europe, the way Christianity was, centuries ago, or the way Islam is in many places today.

    What you've done in grouping agnosticism with Shoah-belief is to create status-quo and non-status-quo columns, or conformist and non-conformist columns, and then label them "rational" and "irrational," which is just really shit-tier, for reasons that I hope are now obvious.


    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.
     
    It's the sort of high-risk, high-reward strategy that a minority of Jews have been pursuing for centuries, if not eons. If the roles were reversed, there'd be a vocal minority of Jews deconstructing the goyische Shoah narrative. Jews have never been as worried about being marginalized as they are about delineating the margins.

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Yep.

    How 'bout we limit anons to 1 comment per ever?

    , @dfordoom

    There’s little point in decrying mainstream censorship if we’re just going to muzzle ourselves.

     

    As long as you cling to liberal concepts like freedom of speech you will lose.

    As Steve Sailer has pointed out what matters is who controls the Megaphone. And that's a matter of power. If you want power you have to be prepared to not worry too much about ethical niceties. You have to focus on winning rather than on being virtuous.

    Political movements that have successfully gained power have usually purged themselves of the idiots who cause them more harm than good. If you want to have a serious shot at gaining at least a small taste of real power then you're probably better off without the Holocaust deniers and the 9/11 truthers and the idiots who still carry on about Obama's birth certificate.
    , @Rich
    I grew up mostly in Queens, NY (a very Jewish borough), was taught all the "holocaust" stuff, had neighbors who claimed to have lost relatives in it and believed it was essentially true. Until I found it it was banned in many countries to research it or to even question it. This made absolutely no sense to me, you can question how many people died in the Irish Potato Famine, the Black Plague, under Bolshevism, but this single event must never be questioned. To my mind, this means something is wrong with the numbers, the incident, or the people passing these laws. The more I read about it, the more convinced I became that the whole story must be a lie. If it had actually happened, all research would lead to the same conclusion, clear eyed scrutiny would prove the "deniers" wrong. Instead, governments throughout the world imprison scholars for investigating with an open mind. Why?
    , @Wally
    said:
    "It’s like Obama birtherism, or 9/11 having all been staged, or any one of several such beliefs. It’s an immediate red flag that triggers a ‘shake your head and move on’ response from most people."

    Not so.

    Polls have shown that at least 50% of Americans reject the government's ludicrous conspiracy theory.
    https://www.livescience.com/56479-americans-believe-conspiracy-theories.html

    https://ocweekly.com/majority-of-americans-believe-in-9-11-conspiracies-chapman-u-fear-study-7625813/

    Polls have shown that huge numbers do not believe Obama was born in the US.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-persistent-partisan-divide-over-birther-question-n627446

    , @Wally
    said:
    "Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t."

    Is that why you cannot present any proof of your curiously beloved "holocaust"?

    Is that why you were so seriously trounced in the comments section here? : American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: : http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations to be seen, no 'holocaust'.

    www.codoh.com
  8. Math is a universal language and the personality of those who are good at it is, in the great ocean of human variation, a near-uniform personality. In Silicon Valley, it doesn’t matter if only 1 in 1,000 blacks can program, it only matters that many of those who can, live there. But if Silicon Valley people are this easily deluded about how the other 99.9% of humanity works, their power needs to be vastly reduced. Hence the movement to break up Big Tech.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman

    But if Silicon Valley people are this easily deluded about how the other 99.9% of humanity works, their power needs to be vastly reduced
     
    Bravo.
    , @anon
    Bravo. It's sad but it's how liberals think, because they are all heart and no brain. I know of family members who casually know of a Muslim or two and instantly came to the conclusion that all Muslims are good people. They went hysterical over Trump's "Muslim ban" because, gosh darn, "We have Muslim friends!" Even though they really don't know a damn thing about said friend, he could be a wife beater, or have several wives, fund Al Qaeda, have family members who joined ISIS, they wouldn't know. But they know all Muslims are good people because Muhammad always says hello at the water cooler.
  9. At this stage, I’m really not sure that any of you can do anything, and anyway maybe the newly Neoconized Trump administration will get us all into some crazy nuclear war with Russia or China or both, rendering this whole website situation completely moot

    Looking to all that from the Russian side I think yes, Trump administration will get us there and there is nobody but Americans can do spmething about it.
    But they won’t – too buzy with alt-rights and LGBT issues, poor things.

  10. there hasn’t been the slightest talk of doing anything to the various monuments or towns honoring various figures from the Mexican-American War or the annexation of California

    You seem unfamiliar with the radical La Raza groups (despite what they write on their website) and the “Reconquista” movement. Here’s a video from Costa Mesa about “Making America Mexican Again”.

    Not sure how you can be so wrong on this …..

    • Replies: @Jason Roberts
    Isn’t San Francisco removing - if they haven’t by now - the Pioneer Statue outside the Civic Center?

    Also I recall reading about a statue of William McKinley in Arcata(!) getting Talibanned.

    , @Ron Unz

    You seem unfamiliar with the radical La Raza groups (despite what they write on their website) and the “Reconquista” movement. Here’s a video from Costa Mesa about “Making America Mexican Again”.

    Not sure how you can be so wrong on this …..
     
    Well, look. CA has 40M people, so I'm sure you can find a few to say almost anything, including that the state should be renamed after Supreme UFO God. But it's just not a serious issue and I doubt more than 1% have even heard about it.
    , @Alden
    <Most of the statues and monuments are Spanish soldiers and priests. Every once in a while some Hispanics go on a rant against Juniperro Serra whose statues are all over the state.

    Maybe the Spanish names protect them. I don’t think there are any monuments to Dennis Kearney of the Chinese exclusion act, or Kit Carson.
    , @Anonymous

    Not sure how you can be so wrong on this
     
    Me neither. This gaping blind spot in his analysis reminds me of his claim that Bush and Cheney were uninvolved in the 9/11 false flag.

    He's a smart guy so this is perplexing.
    , @asbestos
    he told you why, they are engineers that live in their own bubble within their own time zone. they lift their heads up,look out the window, see a blue bird and miss the feral cat below it. then one day they look out the window and wonder what happened to the blue bird and blame it being gone on everybody that's not an engineer.
  11. What’s the angle here Unz? What do you think are the major issues that concern people on the altright?

    Even if Latin Americans and muslims are A+ people that don’t commit more crime than average white Americans it doesn’t mean that we want or should want to be replaced by them in our communities.

    The opinion of tech titans and average tech employees is unimportant because they aren’t making the decisions. They are being bullied by the DoJ, ADL, and the press into censoring inconvenient opinions, not because they are untrue but because they interfere with the agenda.

    • Agree: Kemidov, Hail
  12. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:

    Some on the Alt Right do raise alarm about Brown Violence, but ‘Latino’ crime isn’t their main worry. They believe that, even if all browns are good people, the demographic transformation will profoundly alter the national character of America. Also, even if most browns are rather nice and make okay neighbors, they supply votes for the globalist elites who, ensconced in power, wage more wars abroad, promote cultural decadence as the New Normal, and push economic policies that concentrate more power at the top. The effect of immigration in CA has been a one-party dictatorship with the biggest socio-economic inequalities and PC lunacy, especially when it comes to issues of ‘gender’.

    After all, Alt Right doesn’t believe Asians are criminals or terrorists but opposes Asian immigration too because, again, Too Many Asians alter the national character of America. Also, given that Asians tend to be servile to the Existing Power and obsessed with status, they are likely to become the managerial class for globalism, like Francis Fukuyama, Amy Chua, Nikki Haley, John Yoo, Sarah Jeong, etc. The result will be Jewish globalists lording over Asian upper-middle class as commissars over the white masses.

    Trump’s alarmist rhetoric about Mexican criminals and Muslim terrorists actually appealed more to Normie Conservatives. But then, Trump didn’t start this rhetoric. Hollywood has been making lots of movies featuring Muslims as terrorists. The SICARIO sequel begins with Muslims crossing the US-Mexican border and blowing up US shopping malls. In the 90s, the movie villains were usually South African ‘racists’ or Muslim Terrorists. And who can forget RULES OF ENGAGEMENT that is downright genocidal in its message toward Muslims over there. KILL THEM ALL. Even before 9/11, many white working class kids grew up watching Hollywood movies with evil Muslim villains. So, when they entered the military, they were more than happy to go over there and kill them ‘savages’.
    While some in the Alt Right like to pass around the Muslim Terrorist and Mexican Gang meme, this is much more the feature of Alt Light and God-and-Country Conservatism. The anti-Muslim stuff is actually a way to gain sympathy from Jews(and homos), i.e. Jews and homos(and even feminists) should side with the Right because Liberals don’t care about Muslims who want to wipe Israel off the map, enslave women, and throw homos from roofs. Alt Right cares far less about this line of argument because it cares far less about forging alliance with Jews, homos, and feminists. Alt Right’s position on Israel is ‘none of our business’. Some in the Alt Right cheer for Palestinians just to ‘return the favor’. Also, Alt Right believes that Jewish power and influence in US and EU are so baleful that alliance is near-impossible. And Alt Right thinks feminism is terrible and rejects the homo agenda. It is the Alt Light and ‘cuck’ Right that go for the “Liberals are the true anti-Semites, Homophobes, and misogynists because they don’t condemn Muslims” polemic.

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    Also, even though Alt Rightists are aware of Muslim Terrorism(esp in Europe), most trace the problem between the West and Muslim World to Western invasion of Middle East & North AFrica(that angered and radicalized Muslims) and immigration policy controlled by Jews and globalists(that let in millions of Muslims into the West). So, while the Alt Light and Normie Cons tend to blame Muslims, Alt Right is more likely to blame the People behind the Invade/Invite Strategy that turned the Middle East and North Africa upside down and then ‘welcomed’ all the refugees and other riff-raff(pretending to be ‘refugees’) into the West. While Alt Right has its share of bozos and morons, its overall understanding of foreign policy tends to be more sophisticated than that of the Alt Light and Normie Conservatives who are stuck in ‘Liberals are the real racist’ mentality. Alt Right’s view of foreign affairs is probably closer to that of the Saker or Paul Craig Roberts even though neither is part of Alt Right.

    In Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson, we do see some Alt Right influence on their views of foreign policy… though, to be sure, one could trace their change of views to Paleo-Conservatism as well(of Pat Buchanan and Paul Gottfried) or Libertarianism(of Ron Paul). Both Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter waved the red, white, and blue during the Iraq War. Coulter’s warmongering fever was so out-of-control and hyperbolic — turn them ‘muzzies’ into Christians — that National Review let her go. It was the hope during the Bush II years that, if the American ‘Right’ does something spectacular in the Middle East and remakes the whole region into an oasis in which Israel will especially be safe, the American Jewish power will move over to the GOP. Never let a crisis go to waste, and 9/11 offered an opportunity for GOP Wasps(fast losing power) to make a move to recruit Jewish Power by doing the bidding of Neocons as middlemen power-brokers between GOP wasps and the larger Jewish Community. The idea seemed so tantalizing that even NYT and Liberal Zionist Media came to support the Iraq War based on WMD hoax. (The massive protests against the war probably had more to do with the trepidation that it might indeed be a great success and lend credibility to the GOP-Neocon Right.) But the whole thing blew up spectacularly, and Bush II ended his presidency as one of the worst presidents ever. The economy also collapsed. Still, the fact is the GOP and people like Coulter had tried so very hard to do whatever to win over the Jews. But most Jews went for Obama. Worse, feeling that the GOP as the white party was dead forever, Jewish Liberals(and even Neocons) began to show their true face and spew anti-white vitriol not unlike Tim Wise. The OBAMA CONQUEST Newsweek cover said it all.

    While ‘cuck’-servatives remained timid and servile, figures like Ann Coulter just about had enough. Even though she has always known that most Jews were on the ‘left’, she had no idea how much the great majority of the Jewish community really hated, hated, and hated the white goy majority. The anti-white rhetoric became ever more strident and boastful with sadistic glee at the prospect of White America’s demise. Jews, who’d been demanding that whites respect Jewish identity and support Israel, were gloating not only about the fall of White America but, incredibly, even the Islamo-Africanization of Europe, the ancient homeland of Europeans.

    Though neither Coulter or Carlson is Alt Right, their main concern was demography, not crime or terrorism. Sure, because it’s deemed ‘racist’ to defend the preservation of White America, people like Coulter and Carlson will tend to mention issues pertaining to social/economic costs of immigration, but their main worry is End of White America. They can’t and won’t say it(though Coulter flirts with outright racial consciousness), but it is where their views intersect with the Alt Right. Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson say it has nothing to do with color of the skin and only with values — the problem is not the race of the newcomers but the values they bring with them — , but Alt Right disagrees. Alt Right and Jared Taylor(not quite Alt Right) have an emotional or near-spiritual attachment to White/Western Civilization. Alt Right tends to see Jews as the Other, whereas Taylor wishes for Jews to be partners, but for them, Western Civilization isn’t merely about moral values and monetary value but about genetics and aesthetics: Western culture is an expression of European blood in both spirit and form. So, Western music is an expression of the white soul, and Western art depict the unique beauty of the white race. It’s not just about what’s in the head but what’s in the heart, face, body. This is why Faith Goldy opposes Asian immigration in Canada. Most Asians are not criminals. Many study and work hard and contribute to the Canadian economy. And because most Asians(especially from East Asia) tend to be bland and servile, they readily soak up the latest PC fashions in ‘Western Values’. They assimilate all-too-well to current fads and fashions of the West. But, they are still racially different, and too many of them will permanently alter the European character of Canada.

    Now, some white people don’t care about such things. They either see all peoples as just individuals/economic units OR believe that whites are so uniquely guilty of historical ‘sins’ that their nations deserved to be taken over by non-whites. (As for white elites, they figure their vaunted positions are secure and that newcomers will mainly serve them. Their main identity is ‘elite’ or ‘privilege’, not white. And, their idea of fighting ‘white privilege’ is not surrendering their own privilege but beating up on un-privileged whites as ‘racist’ for not being properly welcoming of mass-immigration to replace the white population and loyally serve the ‘progressive’ white elites.) Anyway, while one can argue with Alt Right ideas, one cannot argue with Alt Right passions. Ideas exist in the mind, passion exists in the heart. It’s like reason is a mind-thing, whereas religion is a faith-thing. Even though Alt Right is essentially a secular movement, it has ‘faith’ and soulful passion for European identity. It’s the same with Zionists, even secular ones. They can argue and debate about ideas and values, but the notion of Israel as a Jewish state is ‘sacred’ to them, a historical covenant. It’s a matter of the heart. It is non-negotiable. It is like a mother to them. Not for debate, not for sale, not for compromise. Israel MUST be a Jewish State to them.

    Now, in some ways, the debacle at Charlottesville wasn’t really unique. There was extreme violence in Berkeley(or was it UCLA?) when Milo was scheduled to speak. The violence was comparable to what happened in Charlottesville. And it took heavy police presence to allow Ben Shapiro — an ardent Zionist enemy of Alt Right — to speak at one of his college events. Even Charles Murray was attacked by a college mob.
    If Charlottesville got more attention, it was because the Alt Right guys were bolder and cockier. Gentlemen like Charles Murray seemed confused and flustered like Mr. MaGoo. Milo’s speech was scrapped. Ann Coulter also canceled her speech soon thereafter. And many college professors self-censor themselves out of fear of the NPC mob. Steven Salaita was fired from U of I for expressing rage about Israel’s attack on Gaza. Norman Finkelstein’s career at Depaul was derailed by Dershowitz and gang. And recently, a Palestinian-American female teacher was fired because she wouldn’t sign an anti-BDS pledge. Now, a worthless idiot like George Hawley, the so-called scholar of the Alt Right, will say all sorts of nasty things about ‘white supremacism’ and ‘racism’ but will not say ANYTHING about Jewish power and its abuses or how homo supremacist activists have destroyed lives and careers all across America. So, what happened to Alt Right guys at Charlottesville was part of a pattern, except that the hammer came down much harder because Alt Right didn’t back down as it burst on the scene. So, the only way to deal with the movement was to smash it like God destroyed the Tower of Babel. Especially because Populist Trump was seen as the bold unapologetic candidate who rode to victory on the Alt Right magic carpet, the Power decided to use Charlottesville as an opportunity to wipe the Alt Right off the political map. So, the Constitutional Rights of free assembly and free speech were denied by the powers-that-be in full collusion with the corrupt media.

    That said, the Unite the Right was a moral disaster as well. Spencer, filled with vanity as edge-lord 007 enfant-terrible hero, allied with some really loathsome characters. Many of us didn’t know then, but we know now. Chris Cantwell the Cantaloupe-Head is a deranged 14/88 clown. And Fat Matt Heimbach turned out to be not only a neo-nazi idiot but a perfect Jerry-Springer-show guest: “I fuc*ed my father-in-law’s wife.” The fact that Spencer allied with such idiots meant his brand of Alt Right, which got the most media attention, was scraping the bottom of the barrel than patiently building a new political and intellectual base. Ramzpaul saw the writing on the wall earlier at Hail-Gate(or Heil-Gate) when Spencer foolishly emboldened some of his minions to give the Hitler Salute. It’s likely that Spencer didn’t foresee the reaction, but it was an embarrassing moment for not only people like Ramzpaul and Jared Taylor but for Donald Trump and Steven Bannon. Being edgy is one thing, Nazi crap is another. The whole point of the Alt Right was to find a new path away from both Neoconservatism and KKK craziness, but Spencer the edge-lord, eager for bad boy notoriety, just couldn’t help himself. Not long after ‘Heil-Gate’, he was speaking seriously with Andrew Anglin. And it now seems his group was operating more in the manner of ANIMAL HOUSE or STRIPES than TAPS. (The misguided boys in TAPS fail, but they did put up a serious resistance.)

    That said, despite the unsavory character of some of the scheduled speakers at the Unite the Right rally, the fact is the fiasco was almost entirely due to the Jewish mayor and black police chief who shut down the event and pushed the UTR attendees into a gang of Antifa goons who were let alone to tear the city apart. So, if Spencer and others had really been smart, they would have done everything to shape the narrative. With cheap video technology, they could have made their own documentary on the subject. But all that opportunity was lost. As the story of Jesus shows, even defeat can be spun into victory. It all depends on who does the storytelling. Kubrick was half-wrong about SCHINDLER’S LIST when he said Holocaust was about failure whereas Spielberg’s movie is about success. True, the Holocaust was a tragic failure for Jews who were killed, but the Holocaust Narrative was a success that ‘sacralized’ Jewish victims while burdening Germans(and other Northern European racial cousins of Germans) with the Burden of Guilt forever. In the end, the story of the event matters more than the event itself.
    But for the most part, Spencer and others did little to shape the post-Charlottesville narrative. ONLY NOW, Spencer the fool is trying to run with the Charlottesville-as-moral-victory narrative. After Charlottesville, most Alt Right people were not deplatformed. It was Daily Stormer and few other sites. Spencer and his cohorts had many months to come up with their own narrative and hammer it home over and over. But they dropped the ball and focused on other matters.

    This is all too bad because if the Alt Right had remained more in the mode of Ramzpaul and Jared Taylor, it could have done so much more. After all, Ramzpaul(who has one foot in edgy politics and the other in Normie culture) and Ann Coulter/Tucker Carlson came to more-or-less same conclusion on the JQ though Coulter and Carlson can’t spell it out. Coulter feels betrayed not only by the Jewish community but by Neocons whom she had loyally served for so many yrs. She feels abused, like a sex slave. She feels that her kind did everything to wave the Israeli flag, vilify the enemies of Israel, and love Jews. Like John McCain, she growled at whatever Jews hated. But in recent yrs, she has stopped barking at Iran, Russia, Syria, Palestinians, and etc.
    Despite all that Coulter & co. had done over the years for Zionism and Jewish Prestige, what did Jewish Power finally give to America? Obama, Homo agenda, and endless push for Diversity to replace whites. Worse, it wasn’t just New York Times and CNN but Neocons and National Review as well. Even Neo-‘conservatives’ blasted Trump and called for white replacement. Coulter came to see Neocons as weasels and came to see most of GOP as spineless ‘paycheck conservatives’ who only do the bidding of oligarchs: Paul Ryan and etc. And that is why she was so invested in Trump, the only candidate who denounced foreign wars, the need for walls, and immigration reform. And he was the only GOP candidate who openly supported European nationalists and bemoaned Merkel’s decision to open the gates.

    So, there was a chance of greater convergence between some in the Conservatism Inc. and the Alt Right. But Spencer, too full of himself, decided to play politics like Mission Impossible. If he really wanted to be bold, he should have written a book on political philosophy than hold quasi-Nazi tiki-torch marches and make common cause with a psychopath like Cantwell and moron like Heimbach. As for guys like Mike Enoch, they have value as ‘shitlords’ targeting PC shibboleths on podcasts; they have no value as leaders. It’s like Howard Stern and Steve Dahl can make it as shockjocks but can’t be taken seriously as anything else. But somehow, Enoch took leadership position. Nazi larping can be ironic in a podcast, not in the streets when crowds gather in earnest to make a political statement. Give a nazi salute in that context, and it’s a political expression, not a joke or prank.

    As for people in Silicon Valley or other super-rich cities, they may not live in Gated Communities, but it’s safe to say that much of the area is like an Extensive Gated Community or Gated City(or Golden Gated City). The houses are not gated like rich homes in South Africa or Venezuela, but there are social and class barriers demarcating the super rich from the very rich from the rich from the middle and the rest. It’s like there is no gate around Hyde Park community in Chicago, but it is among the safest because most professors and students are white or Asian and also because there is super-heavy police presence to suppress black crime. Also, home prices make it impossible for most blacks to live within the community.
    Still, because there are no actual walls or gates to protect the rich from the hordes, it’s true enough that many affluent people may feel that all-is-well in America. Since they are ‘good’ and ‘intelligent’ people who’ve made it, everyone else who didn’t make it must be lazy or stupid. And yet, there is a contradiction in their attitude because, while they dismiss the problems of the white working class and underclass as products of their own failing, they employ PC rhetoric to gush about all those poor immigrants who must be given a chance. But if white losers have no one to blame but themselves, then aren’t non-white losers around the world also responsible for their own problems? Aren’t the brown losers in Mexico and Guatemala merely the ‘Latino’ counterparts of white losers in the US? Apparently not according to elite PC attitudes. While white working class and middle class(continually sinking) that voted for Trump are reviled and ridiculed as ‘populist losers’, the endless hordes of browns who want to break into America are romanticized as ‘dreamers’. Rich whites look down on whites who have less but idealize browns who have less. Instead of trying to boost the livelihoods of whites who have less, they focus on ‘saving’ the browns who want to start anew in America. Now, many rich whites didn’t feel this way in the past, so maybe it has something to do with who controls the media/academia. Or, maybe it’s just the sense among the rich that the poor immigrants are motivated to work harder(more compliant, less complaint) than working class whites who are now either too demanding or even downright degenerate. (The utter vulgarization of the white middle class and working class culture cheapened their moral capital. Tom Joad vs Jim Goad. One is a noble character, a champion of the meek and down-and-out, the other is a real-life punk personality who’s wallowed in depravity all his life. When the image of the working-class becomes Jerry-Springered and Jim-Goaded, it loses moral capital. Jim Goad is an interesting writer and a courageous enemy against PC, but what is he FOR? Freedom to do what? To act and talk like utter shit. Not that the elite image has been so great either, what with their mindless worship of anything homo and tranny. And given the vulgarization of Jewish Culture — Harvey Weinstein and Amy Schumer — , American Image has become sick and demented from top to bottom. And one of the problems of Trump is that he makes an odd hero of the people given his rather sordid life story of never-ending self-indulgence.)

    But then, there was also a contradiction within the Alt Right of Richard Spencer(who pretty much came to own the label after ‘Heil-Gate’). He grabbed it as MY TOY! Given the class split between white elites and white middle class/working class, the most natural priority for the Alt Right would have been to reach out to whites who feel stranded without leadership. This would have called for patient grass-roots activism. But Spencer, a spoiled boy of privilege, has a knee-jerk revulsion of the hoi polloi. His idea of white power is all about white elitism. He is fixated on personal power. His supremacism is more of the Anglo-Imperialist brand of Rudyard Kipling — White Man’s Destiny and Burden — than that of Nazis, but his head is so up in the clouds with dreams of power and glory that he is bored by real problems of the white masses who feel left out. They didn’t read Nietzsche and don’t understand the true philosophy of 007.
    Indeed, Spencer’s real problem with the current elites is not their hyper-elitism or super-privilege per se but that they are not his kind of people. Similarly, his problem with globalist neo-imperialism is not that it is globalist or imperialist but that it is controlled by Jews. His dream is not to end imperialism in favor of nationalism but to practice an even grander imperialism ruled by Anglos as the Faustian Race or something. Because Spencer’s mindset and outlook are so narcissistic and stuck-up, he’s been incapable of shaping the Alt Right into a movement that could actually mean something to masses of whites who feel like a body without a head. So, the burden of Alt Right grassroots fell to someone like Matt Heimbach the dummy whose idea of mass politics is swilling endless cases of beer, wearing a Nazi helmet, and bumbling around with his bubble-butt.

    If the problem of Paleo-Conservatism was it was filled with too many old people, the problem of Alt Right has been its youth. Youth is full of energy and optimism, but it’s also rash and impulsive. So, just like 60s Yippies and Black Panthers wasted their political capital on stupid shit, so did the members of the Alt Right. In a way, the failures of both the New Left and New Right were similar in kind. The New Left, liberated from the ‘stalinism’ of the Old Left, turned to sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll. It burned out. (The members of the Left that did gain power tended to be humorless in their long march through the institutions. But did they really win? By the time they were in positions of power, communism/socialism had failed, Democratic Party had gone over to the ultra-rich oligarchs, and military-industrial-complex was stronger than ever. So, all they could do was compromise with the ultra-capitalists and settle for the Homo Agenda. It was just ‘subversive’ enough for radical vanity and sufficiently useful to the Rich Class that had no more use for politics of class struggle.)
    The new movement of the Alt Right, liberated from the organizational strictures of Conservatism Inc or grim humorlessness of White Nationalism 1.0, rushed into action like kids into summer break on the last day of school. It had energy but no organization, discipline, or hierarchy. Just like Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Bill Ayers, and rest of them were not exactly Lenin, Trotsky, or Stalin, the leaders of the Alt Right weren’t exactly the Founding Fathers or even the National Socialists(who were pathological but had remarkable strategic sense). And Spencer, a spoiled rich kid who was showered with affection and all-the-toys from childhood, had this magical Harry-Potter mentality that wishes would turn into reality with the power of his Faustian will.

    • Agree: Kemidov
    • Replies: @joe webb
    Anon 158: great piece in general. You seem to have been following matters from outside, although maybe not. I have followed matters Alt-Right from more or less inside, until I outsided myself due to nazi chatter and weird personalities.

    "The whole point of the Alt Right was to find a new path away from both Neoconservatism and KKK craziness, but Spencer the edge-lord, eager for bad boy notoriety, just couldn’t help himself."

    I put together a list of about two dozen White Nationalist sites a couple years ago....almost all of them were national socialist.

    Your characterization quoted above is insufficient to the reality of all of these sites I remarked.

    My time around some of the folks on the smarter and saner of the species of White Nationalism has been just a few years, while I was around the intellectual Left for much longer, and I can claim to know the lefty synapses better than the WN. You appear to distinguish the WN folks from the alt-right folks. What is the difference?

    Your comment seems truncated. Was there an ending to it? I saw no conclusion.

    I am 77. I look at the current Lefty (vanity as you cleverly put it, for some, ) but you overlook the serious Disorder of Blacks, Antifas , and Resistance types who are as crazy as the New/Old Left ever was, and far more numerous, more or less making up the Bernie Brigades of the Dem Party, that is, where did this come from? This is not Vanity.


    I find myself muttering to ...myself, How Did This Happen? The several- fold failures of The Revolution: Socialism/Communism, Race Equality Ideology (particularly now with all the science of Genetics and Behavioral Genetics in particular, IQ studies, and the Programs of Uplift for Blacks of the last half-century.....is this the Great Hitting of the Wall of Failure of our Times?

    I think so. So then the Counter-Revolution has begun. The first wave of revolt probably has to be vexed by holdovers from the past that are not useful. and the usual human failings as well.

    Spencer is a drunk, many of us are adult juvenile delinquents, we got transgressives, homo and otherwise, and marginals, picked up by a marginal time. Never mind the Jews.

    So, why don't you continue your themes and finish your thoughts on what seems to me to be anunfinished piece. Thanks. Joe Webb
    , @ben tillman

    Some on the Alt Right do raise alarm about Brown Violence, but ‘Latino’ crime isn’t their main worry. They believe that, even if all browns are good people, the demographic transformation will profoundly alter the national character of America.
     
    That's an unsophisticated interpretation. The correct concern is that immigration reduces the quantity and quality of our life, possibly all the way to zero.

    Immigrants dilute the value of our share of the country, and they obtain voting rights that enable to assist in our dispossession while whites slowly wake up to what is going on. They also interbreed with whites, thereby decreasing the population absolutely as well as relatively.

    We need territory to survive, and immigration deprives of us that. It's not about national character; it's life or death.
  13. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    First Let me thank you, your work is very effective and designed to increase its effectiveness over time. That you are a liberal and a jew and a 1% etc makes it all the more remarkable because you are in fact helping reactionaries conservatives nazis ethnats etc. Granted many of us were also once 1% liberalish cuckservtivish so theres that. You seem to have the same sort of soft spot for hispanics that i have for jews. Growing up in NYC one learns youre right hispanics are not nearly as dangerous as blacks, and even when they are they are not very big or smart, and yes they have a sort of charm. In a place like NYC you get to know all the races of the world and each has a charm and its downsides, in fact you get your own race reflected back at you in a place like NYC which gives one a certain humility. Wolf wasnt the first or last to portray the Irish in a way we recognixed.

    But regarding hispanics and jews i think we both miss a point.In the case of jews for instance i had to struggle against this red pilling on the JQ as we say,I like jews Im from an arty intellectual NYC family half of our friends are jews sure I grew up in the 60s listening to jews brag at cocktail parties about how they had been in on the early days of western deconstruction, i watched the front lines of the 60 mostly jewish radicals really start to burn down the west and i observed their mostly jewish directed march through the smouldering ruins of our institutions in the 80s and 90s. I was one of those oddball kids that though a long haired rebel in many ways i became a conservative in my teens. So while i certainly understood how deeply the jews were responsible for the march of leftism i never really held it against them, in fact like my whole generation I really had a very difficult time holding anything against a race no matter what they did, we sought explanations, blacks were destroyed by welfare and early southern racism, jews were only being defensive because hitler. The main thing was there was a sense we could afford this sort of bad behavior, after all NYC was one of the only places that had “other ” people. No one really realized what the 64 immigration bill was really doing, city people assumed it was just more of the stuff that had happened since the 1700s and the suburban and rural areas were isolated pre internet so they each thought of themselves as an anomaly the flooding continued for decades before the internet allowed us to compare notes and realize we had bee transformed without our consent.

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    It doesnt really matter how jews came to own half the wealth and power with only 2% of the population, its simply unacceptable that they have it, its unacceptable that jews are now running the west to a large extent. The west is the europeans land and should be run for the preservation of our own culture and for the betterment of our own people. the problematic jews are actually about half “white” and since white is a range its fair to say jews are probably as white as say greeks and bulgarians compare to icelandic. so the problem isnt actually genetic particularly since theres so few.Culturally contra my ethnat friends theres some truth to this judeo christian cultural meme, jews have lived among europeans on nd off so long they do share a culture have contributed to and absorbed from us, so culturally we could say jews are half european.And yet its still such a problem for a couple thousand years neither of us can stop worrying about it and although i couldnt be redpilled on the jq by all the reactionaries and ethnats the process of trying to refute them led me to a dozen or two jews like yourself who ended up making me realize the jq is a real problem, of course this is exacerbated by the fact that my own peoples lands are in their death throes and its because of what jews have done whatever the reason.

    One of those things is the hispanic invasion youre so comfortable with.Im not convinced they are quite so non violent as you ionsist having had dozens of attacks by hispanics in NYC before i hit puberty and began to tower over them, and because i only need to look at the murder capitals of the world to note many are hispanic.But its true they are still somewhat manageable,they are a docile people, but like the jews thats all besides the point its simply not acceptable that western land particularly the western land that rules all the world should become a banana democracy. It not simply that as richwine has shown five generations later they are still mostly on the dole, that their average IQ is woefully inadequate for the world we are creating, that their crime rate is in fact much higher than whites. Its back to the fact that our nations are supposed to be for us and we have no where else to go and so will go the way of the wooly mammoth if they are not preserved. you want to compare white trash crime rates to hispanics, but what if the resources the jews have poured into non whites over the past 75 years had instead been poured into the left side of the white distribution and non whites kept out as the white liberals intended before being jewed? what if white wages were allowed to rise instead of massive third world pressure.by the 60s good whites were doing marvels with the left half of the whites then jews redirected leftists to nonwhites and imported hundreds of millions ore and the results are abysmal, worse this has destroyed the progress on the poor whites.

    Of course like obama care the plan by jews was to do this because it cant be undone except by means too terrible to contemplate. Unfortunately I think this house of cards will come down anyway. It simply cant continue its predicated on massive debt expanding forever while greater and greater percentage of elite rulers become non whites and whites become increasingly demonized while expected to pay for it all, whites may not survive the century but neither will the west, and as goes the west so goes the human race.

    There is I think one way out, jews must become white. they must immediately put all the effort they have put into deconstructing the european project into building white ethno states and in the process erase themselves as culturally and genetically distinct they must help the nazis for lack of a better word they must encourage all white ethnicities to become chauvinist ans to transition peacefully to ethno states while engineering ways to erase jews from being able to identify themselves by methods such as in vitro fertilization, name changes, legal prohibitions of jews from certain occupations encouraging dilution of jewish genetics in euro nations, and the de jewification of our culture, by which we mean this constant culture of criticism and degenerate art, also christianity must go its a cuck religion

    its not that hispanics wouldn’t have been ok in very small numbers its that we have a situation where whites are losing our homelands and we can not survive without them, perhaps jews can survive always in exile whites are not jews we can not we need a nation to preserve a culture and a culture to preserve our people. If jews do not use their power to unwind their deconstruction project then theres going to be collapse and war and the hispanics will flee and the blacks will insist on being killed and jews will be scapegoated when we try and figure out why this terrible collapse and war happened and frankly they will deserve it because while cucks need hanging and good white liberals were misguided without the jews mischief it would never have gotten morbid

    • Replies: @Miro23

    There is I think one way out, Jews must become White. They must immediately put all the effort they have put into deconstructing the European project into building White ethno states and in the process erase themselves as culturally and genetically distinct...
     
    Zero chance of this happening.

    The US and European national states will only be rebuilt when the ethnic leadership is first defined (i.e. who the house belongs to) by US Anglos and ethnic European nationalists. They can then decide who will be invited in on the basis of being either a guest or a worker, with all rights (if they pay taxes) other than nationality or political rights.
  14. My feeling is that while there are lots of elites who are actually hostile to Whites and proles, most are naïve and well meaning. As Ron points out, for a lot of these people, their own contact with Africans, Asians, Hispanics and Moslems is with educated and sophisticated people who bring exotic food and culture.

    What they don’t see, and can’t possibly imagine because they don’t feel it themselves, is that often even among this elite is a lot of rage and envy directed at Whites and western culture. I travel among the same circle of people and under the veneer of civility lies an intense hostility and sense of rivalry towards dominant and/or competing groups.

    And what everyone else is stuck with is not the educated elite but the lower class of that foreign group. It’s one thing to have a few nice Indian restaurants in town, quite another to have an entirely (formerly White) Bangladeshi neighbourhood filled with ignorant, hyper religious idiots who see the host nation, and its people, as something to be exploited and shat upon.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I think you are hitting on one of the main concerns Whites have with importing non-Eurooeans: they have a strong group preference while Whites are not allowed that. The inevitable consequences of this imbalance are not to be desired.
  15. Alt-Right people are always talking about the horrific future consequences of white Europeans becoming a minority, but they already became a minority decades ago in Silicon Valley, and these days are probably down to around 30% or so. Yet everything is perfectly fine here

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?
     
    Well, it all depends. Since California's current population is around 40 million and probably not much above 30% white European these days, I'd say it constitutes a pretty reasonable test-case.

    Now I was born in CA and have lived here nearly all of my life, so I think I have a pretty solid sense of things. I'd strongly argue that over the last fifty years some things have gotten better and some things have gotten worse, in complicated ways.

    I'd say that most of the things that have gotten better have been due to broader trends such as technological advances, with computers and the Internet being among the most important. Obviously, those same things have gotten better everywhere else in the US and the entire world. Another positive development has been the elimination of the smog that had been such a huge problem in the LA of the 1960s. Health care has gotten better for the same reason, but also much more ridiculously expensive, so it's a mixed bag, the same as everywhere else in the US.

    But if we're looking as changes/trends that are different in CA than in the rest of the US, I'd say that most things have gotten worse, especially quality of life. Traffic is certainly much worse and housing is ridiculously expensive, with the former problem substantially due to the latter, as a large fraction of the state's population has been pushed out into more distant and less desirable areas to live. These are universally recognized as two of the state's biggest problems, and extreme housing costs have also led to very high (adjusted) poverty rates, another huge problem. All of this is pretty much what you'd expect to happen as the CA population doubled from 20M to 40M on the same land area. Some of these problems are especially severe in the Silicon Valley areas.

    For example, here's a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America:

    https://game-leaks.com/shadow-of-homelessness-hangs-over-bay-area-students/

    Now immigration has obviously been a very large factor behind the doubling of the CA population, and since the latter has caused such a considerable decline in quality of life, it's perfectly reasonable to blame immigration for many of those problems. Basically, if you pack too many people inside a nice bus, it gets to be a serious problem.

    But I just don't see any evidence that the particular non-white racial skew of all those immigrants has been a major problem, at least over the last 15-20 years.

    Here's an absolutely crucial point that summarizes much of my position on that issue. During the late 1960s/early 1970s, California was about 80% white European and these days it's down to little more than 30%. Yet the degree of racially-tinged political conflict or violence back then was ***MASSIVELY*** greater than today. Indeed, I'd put it pretty close to zero in recent years. In fact, I'd say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here. That's simply a fact and you'd have a very hard time persuading sensible people who grew up here otherwise. (Pretty much the same is true for the huge decline in crime rates across most of the state.)

    Now I'd certainly agree that US immigration has been much too high in the last decade or two and should be substantially reduced, which would help alleviate all sorts of important problems.

    But based on the major California example, arguing for such reduction on racial grounds seems about the weakest possible argument to make. Since that's pretty obviously the underlying concern propelling so much of the agitated anti-immigration activists, perhaps that fact helps explain why they've had such total lack of success for decades.

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being "killers and rapists" just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    In 2018, the CA electorate was still 63% white, but the Trump/Republican immigration arguments didn't do very well here. The Republicans lost half their remaining Congressional seats and are now down to just 7(!) out of 55, while the Democrats gained 3/4ths(!) majorities in both houses of the State Legislature. So the views of the top Silicon Valley people aren't really all that totally different from the views of average CA whites.

    Suppose someone on the Internet was arguing that heavy immigration was causing all sorts of problems and should be reduced. Lots of people might say "Hmmm... Why do you think so?" But if the answer came back "Because lots of immigrants are actually werewolves and vampires!!!" I really doubt the fellow would have much success...
  16. So these Siliconites are just useful idiots? Useful for sure, but they can’t all be brainwashed idiots, and know exactly what they are doing as they trample on free speech. I’d posit any blind spots they may have are more related to their paychecks than any thoughtful analysis of their actions.

  17. I’ve lived in Palo Alto, and it is a bubble. People living in bubbles generally can’t see outside them. No longer having employment that can sustain living in the bubble, I had to retreat to far away. My perspective is considerably different, although not alt-right. The difference is that the folks in the bubble have enormous political influence due to the control of communications technology and their vast wealth, as well as considerable hubris about their right to control discourse. There’s a sense among them that an enlightened oligarchy of meritocracy sanctioned by the success of wealth is superior to a populist rabble, that is, democracy. Or if there is a belief in democracy, it is that their own enclave, like the wider American belief in the right to rule the globe from its own democracy, has veto rights over any wider populism of “deplorables” that doesn’t share their own consensus.

    There’s no answer to this, except to create alternatives to what these elites control. It might take some sort of antitrust activity to prevent great wealth pre-empting viable alternatives.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    It will take violent class warfare and violent race warfare.....The basement of America is full to the brim with gasoline...the pouring started in 1965....

    What would the Han People in China do if only one elite Chinese Engineering University was colonized completely by the Hindus from India?....It would be over in a week....
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I am not sure why it hasn't posted. But I did respond to your comments on at TAC concerning honoring heroes.


    ________________

    I was perfectly fine with the leadership of the "best and the brightest" until, it has becoming very evident that class, wealth, influence, power, elite education nor popularity are indicators of the best or the brightest.
  18. A key thing to note, is that the ‘alt-right’ etc does not really help itself all that much by pulling punches and ‘being moderate’

    In part because the Powers That Be intentionally promote extremist crazy-sounding versions of some perspectives, to set up ‘straw men’, a technique the intel agency propagandists call ‘poisoning the well’

    For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues – Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today … all 3 websites have troves of valuable, often unique articles, revealing genuine truth about all sorts of scandals and crimes

    And on all 3 sites, these articles are right next to pieces about space aliens from other planets amongst us, shape-shifting lizards etc

    This is by design and on purpose … CIA-Google promotes such sites, specifically for this reason … Want info on Scandal X? Well at top of search is that scandal info, on a site right next to space-alien lore … so the true stuff is ‘self-discredited’

    Gordon Duff of Veterans Today – chuckling as he calls himself a ‘self-hating Jew’ – has flipped this idea in reverse, admitting in a radio interview that some 30% of what is on his site is totally not true … he says that, this is what allows him to print the true material, without being murdered, by the US gov he still claims to serve in a few capacities

    It is sometimes suggested that the reason Andrew Anglin’s ‘neon-Nazi’ Daily Stormer gets so much free media – helping it to recover to 4 million viewers a month despite all the rolling censoring shutdowns – is precisely because of its role as being an ‘extreme’ version of alt-right themes, a perpetual ‘straw man’ … Ironically, Anglin’s main partner, site IT whiz Andrew Auernheimer aka Weev, was said by his mom to be Jewish, tho Weev says this is ‘Elizabeth Warren tier’

    Jewish Harvard Law prof & internet deception maven Cass Sunstein, openly advocates CIA-run web-trolling, in partnership with CIA-Google controlling internet search … and also the CIA’s Wikipedia, run by ex-pornographer and personal friend of Israeli Presidents, Jimmy Wales … Google and Wiki work to see to it that ‘reasonable’ websites are kept in the shade if not toe-ing the party line

    Ron Unz is to be congratulated for getting Unz to where it is today … but the Powers That Be do recognise that getting the rebel intellectuals corralled, and being able to read and share a little, is useful for the moment

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    When I was active in the Libertarian Party, there were self-appointed pundits who kept saying we had to be "moderate" and avoid the appearance of radicalism. That got us nowhere. Even the overly cooperative LP gets denounced as "racist" and "fascist" these days. (Disclaimer: I've since renounced the beltway-centric party's "open borders" rhetoric, so don't dis me on that.) There's something to be said for "in your face" radicalism. It's what got Trump elected.
    , @JLK

    For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues – Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today … all 3 websites have troves of valuable, often unique articles, revealing genuine truth about all sorts of scandals and crimes And on all 3 sites, these articles are right next to pieces about space aliens from other planets amongst us, shape-shifting lizards etc This is by design and on purpose
     
    It seems that way. I call them sites with built-in strawmen.

    The typical blogger is usually begging for money and hence probably pretty easy to influence, but some of the fancier high-traffic sites, including some of the ones you mentioned, look like carefully designed psy-ops.
  19. Do a shot of tequila every time Unz says “I’m quite busy with my software work, and really didn’t have time to write this” and you’ll be over the legal limit in no time.

    • Agree: utu, Thomm
    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    I don't believe that "software work" business for a minute. I think he smokes weed and masturbates all day. Oh wait that's me.
    , @Thomm

    Do a shot of tequila every time Unz says “I’m quite busy with my software work, and really didn’t have time to write this” and you’ll be over the legal limit in no time
     
    It all makes sense when you realize that moderation duties at TUR is this much-ballyhooed 'important software work'.
  20. @Jack Highlands
    Math is a universal language and the personality of those who are good at it is, in the great ocean of human variation, a near-uniform personality. In Silicon Valley, it doesn't matter if only 1 in 1,000 blacks can program, it only matters that many of those who can, live there. But if Silicon Valley people are this easily deluded about how the other 99.9% of humanity works, their power needs to be vastly reduced. Hence the movement to break up Big Tech.

    But if Silicon Valley people are this easily deluded about how the other 99.9% of humanity works, their power needs to be vastly reduced

    Bravo.

  21. Did the Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority consent to being murdered by Hindu “American” Sundar Pinchai?

  22. I reject the Euthanasia option…..resistance is not futile…I won’t be the Hindu “American’s” bitch…

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
    Perhaps, you prefer to be the bitch of a big black bubba...
    , @Anonymous
    People keep talking about how much wealthier Asians in the US are than whites usually as a sign of Asian superiority based on earnings. I’ve seen average numbers commonly as $10k more/yr. But what’s forgotten is that Asians are far more likely per capita to live in big coastal cities than whites. That makes a huge difference, in fact probably enough that the real difference if cost of living is factored in may be actually in the other direction with whites still earning more in real spending power. It’s obscenely expensive to live in places like LA, Manhattan, SF. $10k boost in salary is not enough to make up for that. Not to mention that small city/ suburbs are actually better places to live by most standards- quieter, more peaceful, lower crime, better places to raise kids, etc.
  23. The issue is what to do about it.

    It’s a really difficult question, but probably any positive change is going to start locally, and deal with individuals. When US society starts to sort itself out (organize itself at county level?) it can embark on creating ground-up political systems that serve the public rather than the plutocracy.

    It’s still a complicated procedure. In the military, when dealing with hopeless disintegrating units, at least they have a chain of command and a mission. An effective leader can impose discipline, starting with a few basic things like “wear your helmet”, “clean and carry your rifle at all times”, “carry your ammunition right “etc. and gradually build up from there.

    Under a democracy (especially the US variety) it’s a lot more difficult. Democracy is a one way street. When it works correctly it’s fine, but it’s open to the special interest corruption of representatives, and the fatal laziness of the public. When it fails (as the US variant more or less has) it can’t be reconstructed at the national level – since Special Interests have an entirely different mission (feed themselves), and use their MSM and the administration power to form a set of interlocking plates to protect themselves and keep out outsiders.

    The possibilities I see are 1) a local, low level political movement, as far away from Washington as possible, taking back local affairs (and taxation) i.e. a US Federation, or 2) a military coup run by US nationalists that shuts down New York, DC and Hollywood or 3) a shooting civil war or 4) a world (nuclear) war.

    1) Would clearly be preferable, but who would provide the leadership? And while they organize, can they simultaneously face off Washington? What kind of local organization would shake individual Americans out of their stupor and get them to be politically active and change their lives?

    2) Unlikely, since the top military are thoroughly vetted and integrated into the Empire. Also, should it happen, the US would receive a new and unpredictable dictatorial elite for Special Interests to get to work on.

    3) Quite possible since the US is loaded with firearms, and the armed forces would probably show split loyalties (be reluctant to destroy American cities). At the end of it, the US would lie in ruins.

    4) More likely than it appears since the US is being highly provocative towards Russia, and backing them into a corner with regard to nuclear treaties, placement of short range nuclear weapons etc. (now also starting with China). This wouldn’t take more than a few days and would be TEOWAKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) given the power of modern nuclear weapons. The US could end up a depopulated and irrelevant wasteland.

    Of course there is still the last (and most likely), “do nothing” option, whereby the US continues its slide into a Zio-Glob dictatorship of the traditional kind with a controlled population, censorship, secret police, detention camps, across the board SJW indoctrination, media propaganda and an elite Nomenklatura.

    • Replies: @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    1) Would clearly be preferable, but who would provide the leadership?
     
    I have a vague memory that there were 2 or 3 guys in the days before Charlottesville who said it was a bad set up and they pulled out. Does anybody else remember that? It would not be a bad minimum qualification for such a role. The converse might also be useful. Anybody who was foolish enough to show up to Charlottesville is out.
    , @seeing-thru
    Given the inertia (perhaps we should spell it as INERTIA to differentiate it from the Newtonian variety) that underpins human societies, your conclusion stated in the last para of your post is what I would bet my money on. But I'd up my bet size if the order of occurrences was framed differently, proceeding from the most likely to the least likely. That order I see as being: media propaganda and an elite Nomenklatura (aren't we almost already there?); across the board SJW indoctrination (we are heading there at supersonic speed); secret police (this one too has been showing itself more and more); censorship (exactly what political correctness is all about); detention camps (not very likely because unnecessary if the preceding have succeeded); slide into Zio-Glob dictatorship (not likely because who needs ugly dictatorships when you can dispense Soma to calm the unwashed masses). Furthermore, SJW indoctrination, media propaganda, and an addiction to Soma (in the shape of TV, professional games, etc.) makes it very likely that DO NOTHING is what will come to pass.
    , @peterAUS
    Agree.

    The only point of (minor) disagreement is the last sentence in:

    3) Quite possible since the US is loaded with firearms, and the armed forces would probably show split loyalties (be reluctant to destroy American cities). At the end of it, the US would lie in ruins.

     

    I'd change it into: some parts of US would lie in ruins.
  24. “Alt-Right people are always talking about the horrific future consequences of white Europeans becoming a minority, but they already became a minority decades ago in Silicon Valley, and these days are probably down to around 30% or so. Yet everything is perfectly fine here.”

    LMAO. This is the place where they monopolise communications and ban anyone who criticises the anti-white zeitgeist?

  25. Indeed. It is not just in Silicon Vallley that Hispanic crime is disappointingly low. I make a point of asking about race relations with Latins everywhere I go, and ask friends in other places. DC, New York, Chicago{{Berwyn and Pilsen, for example–San Antonio, Houston, on and on. Nobody reports Breitbartian problems. Black crime, yes. My impression is that most of the alarmed, to include leaders of th Alt Right, have little or no experience of Latin America or Latinos.

    • Replies: @Hail
    (1) This is a strawman. No one has constructed an entire case on the assertion that 'Hispanic' crime rates are x% higher than non-Hispanic crime rates (anyway, they are certainly higher than a "White, Vermont" baseline ideal to which the USA was once not far off).

    (2) There are many good 'Hispanics' just as there are many good Blacks, but in population terms they are a liability to a (post-)industrial White, Northwest-European-derived society. Our society becomes racially incoherent, culturally Latin Americanized.

    (3) The term we should be using is "Mestizos," which may never catch on. A population with a substantial share of Amerindian ancestry will be a liability; true, non-euphemistic 'White Hispanics' much less so. The problem with the latter is they "go Vicente Fox" and become vectors of the Mestizo colonial enterprise in the USA.

    (4) Does anyone actually want a scenario by which there are more K-to-12-age Mestizos resident in the USA than White ethnic-core Americans (Northwest European), on target for circa the 2040s? Even if their crime rates were half those of the "White, Vermont baseline"?
    , @Saxon
    Mestizo countries are probably the most violent and crime-ridden hellholes on the planet. Doubt you or Ron Unz would relish moving to live with the hoi polloi in Rio de Janeiro. You know what would be great? If the Fed gov was instead used a weapon against your type to settle a cross-section of Somalians in government-funded housing in your areas. See how well that goes for you.

    That's the thing, though. Ensconced in a bubble of the Silicon Shtetl, you don't need to see nor care about any of this. You still have enough wealth to pretend things are great by paying a premium to not live near the overwhelming majority of these non-Europeans and hey, maybe even some of the blacks and browns you live around are the talented 0.1% so aren't misery to be around. Great for you. The reality of course is a lot different for the white masses. Ron Unz lives in a highly segregated area where alien elites (mostly east Asian and Brahmin Indians) still tolerate whites but will move to get rid of them and give nepotistic gigs to Sundar Pichai's retarded cousin Pajeet who can't stop asking to show bobs and vegana as soon as possible, if it's not already happening.

    When whites are an absolute minority, we already know what we have to look forward to by looking at both South Africa today and what's happening in our countries now. Increasing violence against us, more gradual dispossession, more anti-white race laws and policies, intensifying affirmative action, quotas, set-asides that use Orwellian terminology like "legacy majority" or "majority-minority" "race-conscious admissions) and whatever else they come up with to claim this state of affairs MUST continue indefinitely until the last white man has been murdered or made by the government deciding the winners and losers into an invisible loser unable to attract his own group's women and then there are no more actual whites left, just as the jew writer Eric Kaufmann stated, a bunch of brown people who claim to be white and do a We Wuz The Founding Fathers, We Wuz Englishmen etc. mass of le 56% faces who "identify" with the people who actually created the now-decayed husk of a civilization.

    Worse is to come down the pipe, though. The various forms of redistribution from white to non-white can't continue apace indefinitely. So eventually those somewhat pacified Mestizos you think are so peaceful won't be getting as much free stuff to keep them in these better-than-where-they-came-from conditions and then it'll be just like any other central or south American shithole, except that the whites forced to live near them by the government deciding the winners and losers in life won't even be able to raise a finger in self-defense, and will be constantly chased down by government policies to forcibly "diversify" everywhere we live.

    I mean look at what's happening now, lawfare-instituted struggle sessions in the courtroom because someone pointed out that this banana-in-a-noose thing was a hoax.

    https://apnews.com/51b6ed10e4654426a2855a42ad58ba0d

    Think things like this will get better or worse when we have less demographic power and worse than the no political representation we have now? The anti-white policies and rhetoric have been intensifying as we are ethnically cleansed, NOT softening. We have no reason to believe it will and if history is a barometer, every reason to believe it will reach violent genocide levels.

    In any case EVEN if--and we know this isn't true, but for the sake of argument--even if these people were all wonderful and it wasn't just wealth transfer from us to them and dispossession into racial genocide, what do we get out of this? Even if they were 100% the same as us and everything carried on, except without us, why is ethnic cleansing a moral good and what do we even get out of this? We know they aren't equal to us in ability and that things won't carry on, obviously, but no one can explain how we and our descendants somehow benefit from any of this. Did we and our ancestors give our blood, sweat and tears and toil away to hand it away to ungrateful foreigners who hate our guts, want us dead and to take our stuff? Probably not.
    , @Carlton Meyer
    Per Hispanic crime rates, we are told people are fleeing Honduras because of high-crime rates. The US State Department warns:

    "Since 2010, Honduras has had one of the highest murder rates in the world. Credit card skimming is common. Many people report receiving threatening phone calls or extortion attempts, especially during Christmas and Easter holidays. Gangs are not reluctant to use violence and specialize in murder-for-hire, carjacking, extortion, and other violent street crime. They are also known to control some of the taxi services. Violent transnational criminal organizations also conduct narcotics trafficking and other illicit commerce."

    https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23798

    So who thinks crossing the US border makes them all saints? Wanted criminals are wise to head north to cross the US border. Those released from prison have records and face police harassment and employment problems, so heading north also makes sense. Any immigrant who arrives penniless will steal what they can to survive. That's why a focus on Hispanic crime rates is misleading. Stats on impoverished illegal immigrant crimes rates of any race would be shocking, but are not publicized for that reason.

    If you want a graphic display of Hispanic crime, just look at the current LAPD most wanted list to learn why whites fear Hispanic crime.

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    As President Trump noted, illegal immigrants are not the best from Latin American nations, but the worst, the unwanted. Latin American nations have shipped their unwanteds to the USA for decades. Our media ignored the recent "caravans" from Central America arrived at the USA on chartered buses, paid for by Mexicans. They are furious that North Americans want this dumping stopped. So is Mr. Reed, who doesn't want these surplus people filling the streets in his nice Mexican retirement town where he lives like king off his monthly government checks from the USA.

    , @Hypnotoad666

    Does anyone actually want a scenario by which there are more K-to-12-age Mestizos resident in the USA than White ethnic-core Americans (Northwest European), on target for circa the 2040s?
     
    The Los Angeles Unified School District has had less than about 15% White (at least at the High School level) for what seems like forever. Basically, Whites send their kids to the local elementary school but when they get to Jr. High (which is bused/integrated), it's off to private or parochial school. Of course this applies even (especially) to the most liberal Whites. It's a huge expense on top of the already insane property taxes.

    But aside from this (not small) problem, the Hispanisizing of LA has not been the end of the world.

    Hispanics may not be world-beaters in terms of motivation and ability but they really aren't that offensive either. They come from a mostly Europeanized Christian culture, they aren't resentful of whites, and they genuinely like American culture for the most part. We could do way worse -- like the Africans and Muslims pouring into Europe.

    Edit: Actually, one big problem I forgot. Hispanics do vote party-line for Democrats out here.
    , @TheBoom
    Good points. All Mexicans are open to Mexico being a Chinese and Indian country. They are not affilicted by the racism of whites.
  26. The White Liberal Greedy Cheating Class White Liberal Oligarchs of Silicon Valley…Jack Dorsey…Eric Schmidt…..Jeff Bezos….openly call for GENOCIDAL RACE-REPLACEMENT MURDER of The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority…..

    The Hindu “American” Oligarchs of Silicon Valley openly call for the GENOCIDAL DEMOGRAPHIC MURDER of The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority….

    Battery Acid Time can’t be too far away…..When the White Working Class revolts against this revolting scum……

  27. @Rational
    SOLUTION TO POLITICAL NET CENSORSHIP—STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

    Thanks for the article, Sir. I think the people who are doing the internet censoring are not ordinary silicon valley engineers—they are the bosses at the top, such as the Saudis who own twitter, the Judaists who own FAcebook and Google, who are rabidly anti-American and anti-white.

    I am disappointed that the Republicans had control of both Houses and the White house in the last 2 years, but did not pass any law banning political censorship or political discrimination on the internet.

    I think the states should now take a lead. States should pass a law banning political discrimination by internet companies and payment processors by explicit legislation or declaring them as public utilities, etc.

    Ban a website for political speech (exc violence/porno)—1 million dollar fine per day.

    Every states in the US can pass this law.

    But even if ONE state only passes such a law, this problem will be solved, as it can acquire long arm jurisdiction over the entire company in the entire US, under the full faith and credit clause. People will flock to that state to sue Twitter, Paypal, Google, Facebook for banning them.

    I think the states should now take a lead. States should pass a law banning political discrimination by internet companies and payment processors by explicit legislation or declaring them as public utilities, etc.

    Wake up man. They are passing laws, anti-BDS laws, that are totally against free speech, my state Georgia has one, Texas has one, many Democrat states have one, and they’re not done yet, they want to take it further, Israel demands your loyalty. Loyalty to a hostile foreign government, and the puppets in State and Federal govt. are more than happy to sell out their own nation and interests to give it to them.
    Good luck getting any of these puppets to protect free speech or any freedom for that matter, they’re all corrupt as hell.
    Sad!

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/feinstein-sanders-urge-senate-not-to-include-anti-bds-law-in-spending-bill/

  28. Now, what exactly did the WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN MEN

    fight for …and die for during WW2?..To be taunted by the Hindu Foreigner Sundar Pinchai?

    I’d rather see California nuked and poisoned for centuries before the Hindus can lay claim to it…and America as a whole……The Native Born White American Working Class can burn America down……

  29. @Fran Macadam
    I've lived in Palo Alto, and it is a bubble. People living in bubbles generally can't see outside them. No longer having employment that can sustain living in the bubble, I had to retreat to far away. My perspective is considerably different, although not alt-right. The difference is that the folks in the bubble have enormous political influence due to the control of communications technology and their vast wealth, as well as considerable hubris about their right to control discourse. There's a sense among them that an enlightened oligarchy of meritocracy sanctioned by the success of wealth is superior to a populist rabble, that is, democracy. Or if there is a belief in democracy, it is that their own enclave, like the wider American belief in the right to rule the globe from its own democracy, has veto rights over any wider populism of "deplorables" that doesn't share their own consensus.

    There's no answer to this, except to create alternatives to what these elites control. It might take some sort of antitrust activity to prevent great wealth pre-empting viable alternatives.

    It will take violent class warfare and violent race warfare…..The basement of America is full to the brim with gasoline…the pouring started in 1965….

    What would the Han People in China do if only one elite Chinese Engineering University was colonized completely by the Hindus from India?….It would be over in a week….

  30. What software are you working on, Unz?

  31. @anon
    First Let me thank you, your work is very effective and designed to increase its effectiveness over time. That you are a liberal and a jew and a 1% etc makes it all the more remarkable because you are in fact helping reactionaries conservatives nazis ethnats etc. Granted many of us were also once 1% liberalish cuckservtivish so theres that. You seem to have the same sort of soft spot for hispanics that i have for jews. Growing up in NYC one learns youre right hispanics are not nearly as dangerous as blacks, and even when they are they are not very big or smart, and yes they have a sort of charm. In a place like NYC you get to know all the races of the world and each has a charm and its downsides, in fact you get your own race reflected back at you in a place like NYC which gives one a certain humility. Wolf wasnt the first or last to portray the Irish in a way we recognixed.

    But regarding hispanics and jews i think we both miss a point.In the case of jews for instance i had to struggle against this red pilling on the JQ as we say,I like jews Im from an arty intellectual NYC family half of our friends are jews sure I grew up in the 60s listening to jews brag at cocktail parties about how they had been in on the early days of western deconstruction, i watched the front lines of the 60 mostly jewish radicals really start to burn down the west and i observed their mostly jewish directed march through the smouldering ruins of our institutions in the 80s and 90s. I was one of those oddball kids that though a long haired rebel in many ways i became a conservative in my teens. So while i certainly understood how deeply the jews were responsible for the march of leftism i never really held it against them, in fact like my whole generation I really had a very difficult time holding anything against a race no matter what they did, we sought explanations, blacks were destroyed by welfare and early southern racism, jews were only being defensive because hitler. The main thing was there was a sense we could afford this sort of bad behavior, after all NYC was one of the only places that had "other " people. No one really realized what the 64 immigration bill was really doing, city people assumed it was just more of the stuff that had happened since the 1700s and the suburban and rural areas were isolated pre internet so they each thought of themselves as an anomaly the flooding continued for decades before the internet allowed us to compare notes and realize we had bee transformed without our consent.

    It doesnt really matter how jews came to own half the wealth and power with only 2% of the population, its simply unacceptable that they have it, its unacceptable that jews are now running the west to a large extent. The west is the europeans land and should be run for the preservation of our own culture and for the betterment of our own people. the problematic jews are actually about half "white" and since white is a range its fair to say jews are probably as white as say greeks and bulgarians compare to icelandic. so the problem isnt actually genetic particularly since theres so few.Culturally contra my ethnat friends theres some truth to this judeo christian cultural meme, jews have lived among europeans on nd off so long they do share a culture have contributed to and absorbed from us, so culturally we could say jews are half european.And yet its still such a problem for a couple thousand years neither of us can stop worrying about it and although i couldnt be redpilled on the jq by all the reactionaries and ethnats the process of trying to refute them led me to a dozen or two jews like yourself who ended up making me realize the jq is a real problem, of course this is exacerbated by the fact that my own peoples lands are in their death throes and its because of what jews have done whatever the reason.

    One of those things is the hispanic invasion youre so comfortable with.Im not convinced they are quite so non violent as you ionsist having had dozens of attacks by hispanics in NYC before i hit puberty and began to tower over them, and because i only need to look at the murder capitals of the world to note many are hispanic.But its true they are still somewhat manageable,they are a docile people, but like the jews thats all besides the point its simply not acceptable that western land particularly the western land that rules all the world should become a banana democracy. It not simply that as richwine has shown five generations later they are still mostly on the dole, that their average IQ is woefully inadequate for the world we are creating, that their crime rate is in fact much higher than whites. Its back to the fact that our nations are supposed to be for us and we have no where else to go and so will go the way of the wooly mammoth if they are not preserved. you want to compare white trash crime rates to hispanics, but what if the resources the jews have poured into non whites over the past 75 years had instead been poured into the left side of the white distribution and non whites kept out as the white liberals intended before being jewed? what if white wages were allowed to rise instead of massive third world pressure.by the 60s good whites were doing marvels with the left half of the whites then jews redirected leftists to nonwhites and imported hundreds of millions ore and the results are abysmal, worse this has destroyed the progress on the poor whites.

    Of course like obama care the plan by jews was to do this because it cant be undone except by means too terrible to contemplate. Unfortunately I think this house of cards will come down anyway. It simply cant continue its predicated on massive debt expanding forever while greater and greater percentage of elite rulers become non whites and whites become increasingly demonized while expected to pay for it all, whites may not survive the century but neither will the west, and as goes the west so goes the human race.

    There is I think one way out, jews must become white. they must immediately put all the effort they have put into deconstructing the european project into building white ethno states and in the process erase themselves as culturally and genetically distinct they must help the nazis for lack of a better word they must encourage all white ethnicities to become chauvinist ans to transition peacefully to ethno states while engineering ways to erase jews from being able to identify themselves by methods such as in vitro fertilization, name changes, legal prohibitions of jews from certain occupations encouraging dilution of jewish genetics in euro nations, and the de jewification of our culture, by which we mean this constant culture of criticism and degenerate art, also christianity must go its a cuck religion

    its not that hispanics wouldn't have been ok in very small numbers its that we have a situation where whites are losing our homelands and we can not survive without them, perhaps jews can survive always in exile whites are not jews we can not we need a nation to preserve a culture and a culture to preserve our people. If jews do not use their power to unwind their deconstruction project then theres going to be collapse and war and the hispanics will flee and the blacks will insist on being killed and jews will be scapegoated when we try and figure out why this terrible collapse and war happened and frankly they will deserve it because while cucks need hanging and good white liberals were misguided without the jews mischief it would never have gotten morbid

    There is I think one way out, Jews must become White. They must immediately put all the effort they have put into deconstructing the European project into building White ethno states and in the process erase themselves as culturally and genetically distinct…

    Zero chance of this happening.

    The US and European national states will only be rebuilt when the ethnic leadership is first defined (i.e. who the house belongs to) by US Anglos and ethnic European nationalists. They can then decide who will be invited in on the basis of being either a guest or a worker, with all rights (if they pay taxes) other than nationality or political rights.

    • Replies: @anon
    your odds are about right, unfortunately the same odds seem to apply to white nationalism becoming popular enough to sweep into power,We fool ourselves that a lot of the populism green shoots we see is white nationalism. frankly its socialism for the most part, and while immigration labor pressure and other anti volk effects of capitalism make a socialist reaction understandable and possible something to leverage temporarily politically, its not any more of a solution than it ever was when the jews used it to destroy russia.
    we hope whites hit a point of self preservation, that it must be inevitable any animal will eventually fight. But this is far from clear whites in africa are cucked to this day. The vast majority of reactionary right wont even explicitly admit the answer is ethno state. The poz is deep, And this is just theory. How many would be left supporting what would actually need to be done, loading millions on cargo planes?
    So we tell ourselves well it will all collapse economically, and from affirmative action stupidity. Then they will have no choice but to fight and that will remove the moral culpability they will only be choosing to survive. It far from clear we could even win, we tell ourselves all the guns are in the hands of right wing men but actually thats not true theres a study out there that shows in reality we have about 15 % of the private guns. and what will russia china etc be doing if we re in a civil war?

    Sure these are my preferences that we imply rise up and restore, I just see no sign of it and personally have found it next to impossible to really racially red pill anyone no matter how deeply conservative they were, people who really really hate the gubmint will get christian or constitutional hackles up if the racial talk gets beyond vague immigration issues of legality. And any ethno state is going to have to go so much farther women will have to be disenfranchised, its hard to imagine how art media etc will not have to be controlled at least for a generation. various groups that have all been given status like trannys and gays will all have to lose that status. And the economic privations will be immense.
    I hate to admit it (((moldbug))) is right that the easy way is to flip the elites and do it peacefully in stages, and that means getting the jews to change sides. This may not be as hard as we think, jews are being discovered as the ultimate privileged white which they are, they are trying to prop up the victim status buts its seems absurd to the browns.simultaneously jews have been assimilated a lot in the past several decades yet been more resilient to the self hate. They are smart enough to see the writing on the wall and might decide its best to jump off this train and cut the best deal they can with a white restoration. They must see if this continues no matter which side wins they lose, and that a white ethno state will be more pleasant.They will also assume they can eventually subvert us all over again.
    They are not really a threat to us genetically 2% of the population and 50% euro blood and obviously the orthodox would be shipped to israel because they would not go along with assimilation so more like less than 1% the problem is that they can identify themselves and work as a separate nation, and that they feel what is good for the jews is to weaken the whites. but i dont think theres many of these jews left that seriously give a shit about their religion or communism their interests are really typically welitist at this point. in other words we are having the same problem with the episcopalians hell at this point the catholics as well and the cynical nouveau riche. They all n eed to be made to understand while its not going to be economic socialism it is going to be individualism/capitalism subordinated to culture/biology and so elites interests are in making themselves useful to the nation/volk.
    To make them see that this ethno state can happen without anarchy ot much sufferring that in stages first illegal immigrants then we legally find that 70% of the legal immigrants broke the law in some way on the naturalization which is true then we also find that the amnesties were themselves illegal we work ourselves back peacefully to legacy slaves who are de radicalized and made to understand how lucky they are and that any black criminal will not be imprisoned here but in africa. and the black elites will again be held responsible for black behavior and given the means to enforce it until the are winnowed away
    , @Rev. Spooner
    You say " They can then decide who will be invited in on the basis of being either a guest or a worker, with all rights (if they pay taxes) other than nationality or political rights" in reply to another.
    You are living in a fool's paradise. The world is too large and too complicated for these simplistic solutions.It has already changed and genocide is not an option for most of us.
  32. @Rational
    SOLUTION TO POLITICAL NET CENSORSHIP—STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

    Thanks for the article, Sir. I think the people who are doing the internet censoring are not ordinary silicon valley engineers—they are the bosses at the top, such as the Saudis who own twitter, the Judaists who own FAcebook and Google, who are rabidly anti-American and anti-white.

    I am disappointed that the Republicans had control of both Houses and the White house in the last 2 years, but did not pass any law banning political censorship or political discrimination on the internet.

    I think the states should now take a lead. States should pass a law banning political discrimination by internet companies and payment processors by explicit legislation or declaring them as public utilities, etc.

    Ban a website for political speech (exc violence/porno)—1 million dollar fine per day.

    Every states in the US can pass this law.

    But even if ONE state only passes such a law, this problem will be solved, as it can acquire long arm jurisdiction over the entire company in the entire US, under the full faith and credit clause. People will flock to that state to sue Twitter, Paypal, Google, Facebook for banning them.

    Simply extend anti-discrimination laws to include political ideology. In principle, I’m against government regulation of the Internet. But as long as the left has legal protection in place for its favored minorities, we need to extend that protection to the right.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    This would also protect people who are pro-life or for traditional marriage from being fired (as they have been before). And it's feasible, at least in red states.
  33. Not sure if he has publicly declared his position one way or the other, but does anyone know where Ron Unz stands on the status of the Jewish-state – i.e. is he for that particular state having the right to remain an ethnostate or against it?

    It’d be nice to see if his views align with his support for mass immigration (both legal and illegal) for America.

  34. @Brabantian
    A key thing to note, is that the 'alt-right' etc does not really help itself all that much by pulling punches and 'being moderate'

    In part because the Powers That Be intentionally promote extremist crazy-sounding versions of some perspectives, to set up 'straw men', a technique the intel agency propagandists call 'poisoning the well'

    For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues - Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today ... all 3 websites have troves of valuable, often unique articles, revealing genuine truth about all sorts of scandals and crimes

    And on all 3 sites, these articles are right next to pieces about space aliens from other planets amongst us, shape-shifting lizards etc

    This is by design and on purpose ... CIA-Google promotes such sites, specifically for this reason ... Want info on Scandal X? Well at top of search is that scandal info, on a site right next to space-alien lore ... so the true stuff is 'self-discredited'

    Gordon Duff of Veterans Today - chuckling as he calls himself a 'self-hating Jew' - has flipped this idea in reverse, admitting in a radio interview that some 30% of what is on his site is totally not true ... he says that, this is what allows him to print the true material, without being murdered, by the US gov he still claims to serve in a few capacities

    It is sometimes suggested that the reason Andrew Anglin's 'neon-Nazi' Daily Stormer gets so much free media - helping it to recover to 4 million viewers a month despite all the rolling censoring shutdowns - is precisely because of its role as being an 'extreme' version of alt-right themes, a perpetual 'straw man' ... Ironically, Anglin's main partner, site IT whiz Andrew Auernheimer aka Weev, was said by his mom to be Jewish, tho Weev says this is 'Elizabeth Warren tier'

    Jewish Harvard Law prof & internet deception maven Cass Sunstein, openly advocates CIA-run web-trolling, in partnership with CIA-Google controlling internet search ... and also the CIA's Wikipedia, run by ex-pornographer and personal friend of Israeli Presidents, Jimmy Wales ... Google and Wiki work to see to it that 'reasonable' websites are kept in the shade if not toe-ing the party line

    Ron Unz is to be congratulated for getting Unz to where it is today ... but the Powers That Be do recognise that getting the rebel intellectuals corralled, and being able to read and share a little, is useful for the moment

    When I was active in the Libertarian Party, there were self-appointed pundits who kept saying we had to be “moderate” and avoid the appearance of radicalism. That got us nowhere. Even the overly cooperative LP gets denounced as “racist” and “fascist” these days. (Disclaimer: I’ve since renounced the beltway-centric party’s “open borders” rhetoric, so don’t dis me on that.) There’s something to be said for “in your face” radicalism. It’s what got Trump elected.

  35. @Colin Wright
    Substantially, I agree with most of what you say. The issue is what to do about it.

    More or less at random, the following thoughts come to mind.

    First, those of us who engage in thought crime of whatever form need an alternative web that is at least more difficult to shut down. As long as we're at the mercy of mainstream censors, we'll never get anywhere.

    Meantime, the issue is whether to appease or outrage. This always poses a quandary; I see it a lot in my own area of especial concern: Israel. Do you carefully assure everyone you agree Israel has a right to exist, dutifully decry 'terrorism,' avoid ever referring to 'Jews,' etc -- and work yourself into a position of total impotence?

    Or do you rage about the disproportionate power, influence, and privilege of Jews, denounce Israel as essentially a Nazi state, argue that any measures against it are justified, and so on -- and find yourself off in a corner with twelve other 'anti-semites', banned by all?

    This is a general problem. To take the path of moderation, and remain 'legitimate' at the risk if becoming innocuous -- or call a spade a spade at the risk of being completely marginalized?

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren't.

    Well, speaking for myself, they're free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I'm concerned, it's like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don't share. Have at it, though. It's like golf. Of no interest to me, but don't let me spoil your fun.

    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor -- but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he'll move hastily on.

    It's like Obama birtherism, or 9/11 having all been staged, or any one of several such beliefs. It's an immediate red flag that triggers a 'shake your head and move on' response from most people.

    Again, I'm not sure what to do about that. There's little point in decrying mainstream censorship if we're just going to muzzle ourselves. On the other hand...

    Well, that's about it for now. Unz's points are thought-provoking.

    Yes! I appreciate Ron’s dedication to free speech, but the Holocaust denial thing does have a nasty taste to it. It’s a lot like Vox Day’s provocative inclusion of the notorious “Fourteen Words” in the Alt-Right manifesto — principled, but the wrong hill to die on, in my opinion. I’m OK with Ron providing denialist source material, but I’d recommend balancing it out with marginalized works on other Holocausts, such as the Armenian genocide and the Holodomor. The radical Zionists hate sharing their victim card almost as much as they hate having it denied.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  36. You might look at the work of Victor Davis Hanson who lives in the Central Valley and paints a much different picture of the deleterious effects of Mexican immigration. Is it possible that those in Silicon Valley are insulated from the downsides of unbridled immigration since the illegals cannot afford to live in their neighborhoods? One thing you did not mention is the fact that the Hispanic demographic change has turned California into a one party state. The long term consequences of the Democrats and public Unions having complete political hegemony are not good and anyone who dismisses the public pension fiasco that is unfolding in California is whistling past the graveyard. I am a European origin Hispanic immigrant (Cuban) and I see the rising tide of immigration as the end of the Golden Age of the USA. Increased immigration will lead to a polyglot society where people vote according to ethnic lines and the spoils are given out accordingly. If you are a white male your future in corporate America is not bright. You have ignored the role that Jewish intelligentsia played in this. The 1965 Immigration Act was orchestrated by Jews (Emmanuel Cellar, Jacob Javitts, Norbert Schlei) because Jews feel more comfortable in a polyglot society and have a certain antipathy to white Christians.

    • Replies: @fnn
    Among other things, Hanson says there is a big theft problem where he lives in the Central Valley. He has experienced it often on his farm and even century-old public buildings have their ornamentations stolen. Hanson also says he sometimes finds the mangled corpses of the losers of last night's Pit Bull fights on his property. Remember, besides being a professor of Classics, he has Mexicans in his extended family.
  37. @CalDre

    there hasn’t been the slightest talk of doing anything to the various monuments or towns honoring various figures from the Mexican-American War or the annexation of California
     
    You seem unfamiliar with the radical La Raza groups (despite what they write on their website) and the "Reconquista" movement. Here's a video from Costa Mesa about "Making America Mexican Again".

    Not sure how you can be so wrong on this .....

    Isn’t San Francisco removing – if they haven’t by now – the Pioneer Statue outside the Civic Center?

    Also I recall reading about a statue of William McKinley in Arcata(!) getting Talibanned.

  38. @CalDre

    there hasn’t been the slightest talk of doing anything to the various monuments or towns honoring various figures from the Mexican-American War or the annexation of California
     
    You seem unfamiliar with the radical La Raza groups (despite what they write on their website) and the "Reconquista" movement. Here's a video from Costa Mesa about "Making America Mexican Again".

    Not sure how you can be so wrong on this .....

    You seem unfamiliar with the radical La Raza groups (despite what they write on their website) and the “Reconquista” movement. Here’s a video from Costa Mesa about “Making America Mexican Again”.

    Not sure how you can be so wrong on this …..

    Well, look. CA has 40M people, so I’m sure you can find a few to say almost anything, including that the state should be renamed after Supreme UFO God. But it’s just not a serious issue and I doubt more than 1% have even heard about it.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @CalDre
    I wrote "Not sure how you can be so wrong on this" because in general you strike me as a solid researcher. Maybe you have a blind spot on this issue as you seem to be super pro-Hispanic immigration? I gave you some research ideas (La Raza and Reconquista), I'm sure if you set your mind to it and research it objectively you will find it is far, far more than your "Supreme UFO God" anecdote. I don't follow it in great detail but there was a quite big deal about this during the 2006 pro-immigration protests, with countless La Raza protesters in the US waving Mexican flags and walking the walk. Although I generally don't like Human Events, some of that activity is summarized there.

    No, the Latinos are an invading force, there is no doubt in my mind. They are smart enough not to rock the boat while the minority, but they will soon be the majority, and you will see more power be exercised. I don't claim every Latino is anti-European, but virtually every Latino identifies with Latinos, not with Europeans. I have lived all over both metropolitan and rural California, not just the utterly unrepresentative Silicon Valley, and I quite know what I am writing about here. When push comes to shove, and the Latino leader comes along, they will follow him, not you, and not Whitey.
  39. @Frederick V. Reed
    Indeed. It is not just in Silicon Vallley that Hispanic crime is disappointingly low. I make a point of asking about race relations with Latins everywhere I go, and ask friends in other places. DC, New York, Chicago{{Berwyn and Pilsen, for example--San Antonio, Houston, on and on. Nobody reports Breitbartian problems. Black crime, yes. My impression is that most of the alarmed, to include leaders of th Alt Right, have little or no experience of Latin America or Latinos.

    (1) This is a strawman. No one has constructed an entire case on the assertion that ‘Hispanic’ crime rates are x% higher than non-Hispanic crime rates (anyway, they are certainly higher than a “White, Vermont” baseline ideal to which the USA was once not far off).

    (2) There are many good ‘Hispanics’ just as there are many good Blacks, but in population terms they are a liability to a (post-)industrial White, Northwest-European-derived society. Our society becomes racially incoherent, culturally Latin Americanized.

    (3) The term we should be using is “Mestizos,” which may never catch on. A population with a substantial share of Amerindian ancestry will be a liability; true, non-euphemistic ‘White Hispanics’ much less so. The problem with the latter is they “go Vicente Fox” and become vectors of the Mestizo colonial enterprise in the USA.

    (4) Does anyone actually want a scenario by which there are more K-to-12-age Mestizos resident in the USA than White ethnic-core Americans (Northwest European), on target for circa the 2040s? Even if their crime rates were half those of the “White, Vermont baseline”?

    • Replies: @llloyd
    I was wanting to bring up that point. White Hispanics may as young men get up to some mischief, even serve time. But they are working class young white and Asian men's rituals everywhere in the world. That is manageable. But of course one would rather working class Hispanics were not in large numbers living in the non Mexican historic areas. Can't really hold it against them for living in the Mexican historic areas. It's the Mestizo problem. I am sure but don't know if you checked the racial descent of the vicious Hispanic gangs and random violence actors, you would see maybe even entirely they are Mestizos. The Caribean Hispanics are the black problem and should not be included with the American Hispanics. Of course, there are lovely Mestizos. But I think a good male Mestizo unless he is very intelligent must have an institutional support such as a Church.
    , @Old fogey
    I live in a suburb of NYC which has over the past 30 years seen a drastic demographic change. The local schools were famous for their scholarship when we moved here. Today there are more non-English speaking students in the elementary and high schools than native English speakers, so much so that at my grand-daughter's graduation the principal spoke in Spanish.

    It is true that the Hispanics moving here are in the main soft-spoken and law-abiding people, but their presence - and their natural desire to be close to others of their own nationalities - has changed life in my community greatly for everyone. Our local library newsletter, for example, now comes with a Spanish translation. How does that help build a stronger community?
  40. Silocon Valley has implemented a de facto Native Born White Working Class Male Exclusion Act…..

    Time bring back the 1882 Han People Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act!!!!

    To mainland China….FUCK YOU…FUCK YOU…CALIFORNIA IS NOT FOR HAN CHINESE COLONIZATION…..WE WILL NOT BE YOUR BITCH…OR THE STREET SHITTERS FROM INDIA BITCH EITHER and if you want to settle this with thermonuclear war….a ok with me…

    The Han People Colonization of California….This is what you get with Jared Taylor’s IQ Test Score Nationalism….

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    I agree about Jared Taylor's IQ-obsessed formulation of nationalism. What we want is to preserve or rather recreate the sort of society we had in the 1950s, not to turn America into a "meritocracy" of multi-ethnic money-grubbing techies from all corners of the earth. Taylor's formulation allowed him to lead a semi-comfortable existence in Noo York City but intellectually it's mostly a scam.
  41. I was alt-right before there was an alt-right. Basically the alt-right was created by less-crazy whites, like myself, entering the WN around the time (before and after) I came onto the scene in 2002-3 (I don’t want to try to date it more precisely because the fact is, I just don’t know). We brought in a less antisocial sensibility, more tech savvy, etc. And we were fighting constantly with the “old school” “purist” “hard core” types about optics, purity-spiraling, subculture (LARPing) vs. true dissident politics, etc. And we largely won.

    But, and this is a big but, instead of WN 2.0 replacing WN 1.0, there was a synthesis that resulted in the Alt-right; WN 3.0, if you will. Basically, instead of deleting the hard, psycho edge of WN 1.0, the alt-right played it for laughs/shitpoasting. I have to admit that it has proven much more successful with the youth than the drier kind of thoughtful WNism that I was advocating back then.

    And that’s the problem I have with Ron’s basic “you people sound like psychos” message; shitpoasting has proven very successful. Rebellion sells. WNism has grown dramatically since I joined right after 9/11. I’ve always been an advocate of multiple styles, so I’m certainly not saying the shitpoasting style is the One True Way. I’m sure there’s an optimum style for reaching the Silicon Valley intelligentsia. But shitpoasting has proven quite successful so far. It isn’t going anywhere.

    The Regime, the Judenreich, globo-homo-gayplex, doesn’t deserve respect, doesn’t inspire decorum. Let’s all try to keep that in mind.

  42. If Silicon Valley mopes want well-thought-out WNism, they can certainly find it online. There are plenty of print journals, featuring reams of content. There are plenty of podcasts like The Daily Shoah that have plenty of big-brained nibba explication. Shitty, policed social media isn’t the place for that. It’s a place to quickly tweet/shitpoast your disatisfaction with globo-homo-gayplex and signal to the Masters of the Universe that they have a serious and growing problem to deal with.

    Simply put, the regime sound like a bunch of faggots and shitpoasting draws healthy-minded kids in like flies to honey.

  43. Umm, for everyone who understands Ron as saying its merely a question of ‘rhetoric’, what he is actually saying is that it is a question of facts – and the alt right is not in possession of them on certain major issues that are directly perceivable by people in Silicon Valley.

    The alt right doesn’t need to pull its punches – it needs to get its facts straight.

    This interesting entry by Ron has cleared up certain confusions I’ve had about his overall long term agenda and strategy – its more intelligent than I thought.

    But I think he misunderstands the alt right. And I also think he takes them too seriously.

  44. I doubt the actions of Silicon Valley execs have anything to do with careful analysis of the media and what they see. It is just knee-jerk good think like the firing of James Damore and the memos and e-mails sneaking out of meetings where censorship of the right is being discussed by 25 year old kids who couldn’t find their asses with both hands.

  45. As usual, Mr. Unz, an insightful analysis. I’d just add one thing. The point you make about Silicon Valley applies generally to any area where the USA’s better off and more powerful citizens live, e.g., the so called new class and all other upper-middle class people. These folks are completely insulated from the usual reality of living in areas that are not overwhelmingly White. Any non-White, non native-born folks in their vicinity are either exceptionally high-functioning and functional or “the help”. People in these upper-middle and upper class enclaves are clueless and want to remain so. By the time they catch on it will be too late. Awareness of this situation fuels the desperation of the alt-right to get its message across. Unfortunately that desperation leads to the strategic and tactical errors that you discuss.

  46. Mr. Unz is a grouper swimming with sharks. He thinks “Hey, we are all fish, aren’t we? Can’t we all just get along? Yuo sardines (alt-right types) just need to be a little less stinky. Then these other fish will get along with you.” Maybe he is right. More likely is that he is nice, smart, and clueless. He simply does not see what is going on. Like way too many well-meaning types. If he is wrong on the National Question (as defined by Peter Brimelo), as I am pretty sure he is, he and his children will find out the hard way, and too late.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    that's about it.

    Unz is a righteous Jew, and thus can "get along" with Whites.

    the Sanhedrin, however, has other ideas. Encapsulated by

    Sontag's "White Race is the Cancer of human History",

    a perspective since shared by many other public Jews: Wattenberg, Ignatiev, Wise, Soros, etc. etc.

    (((they))) intend to extinct us, and

    are doing so by collapsing the White birthrate (legalized abortion, porn, sexperv, and Judeo-feminism)

    and Judeo-globalist open-borders ethnorc insourcing.

    @Unz: where does it end? When Whites are down to 30%? 20%? 10%? or 0% of the population?

    if organized Jewry continues to have its way, it ends at...0%.
  47. The Mexicanization of California coincides nicely with the steep decline in the quality of life here for the average American (certainly not for Silicon Valley magnates). One could be forgiven for believing that there is more than a coincidence at work here. Import Mexicans and you get Mexico, which is not a place most Americans would find congenial.

  48. In 1882…

    Denis Kearney

    Samuel Gompers

    Isidore Choyinski

    had the right idea…

    with regard to the Han Race…

  49. Hi Ron. Well said. Quite reasonable. You are basically correct on all points. But wait.

    Since ‘racism’ (expressing a racial preference in America when white) can bring about personal destruction–and just the allegation of ‘racism’ (like the allegation of ‘antisemitism’) is now used as a political weapon– a full, broader and more honest examination the impact of ‘illegal immigration’ is sorely needed. Yet it’s not there.

    Race, intelligence, class, physical appearance, temperment, drive, and personality do matter. Differences endure.

    The black experience in America tells us so.

    Diversity is not our strength. Commonality is our strength.

    Yet the ‘diversity-is-our-strength’ myth endures. And not by accident. This propaganda is a form of subterfuge.

    With that in mind, there is no good reason that the US should tolerate the unlawful entry of millions of Third World underachievers into our prosperous and orderly civilization. This is common sense talking. Wonderful ‘diversity’ is dividing our nation, not unifying it.

    This is the reasonable conclusion of many in the Alt-right. But they are denied a voice because these sentiments are declared ‘racist’.

    The resent-driven Left (with plenty of help from the ‘Hispanic community’ and our MSM) also refuses to acknowledge the economic and cultural downside (affecting millions of white Americans) that countless Spanish-speaking, MesoAmericans create by sneaking into the US and establishing poor, welfare-dependent enclaves that vote as ethnic blocks.

    There’s also the measurable political loss that occurs when whites become a minority inside their own country. These facts should require no explanation. But they do in the face of constant propaganda that surrounds the ‘undocumented immigrant’ question.

    We are at a tipping point. Why should white Americans continue along this path?

    Besides, the people of Mexico and Honduras and Guatemala already have their own countries. If we’re all ‘equal’ then shouldn’t these descendents of the Aztec and Mayan remain where they are and build up their own civilizations?

    Of course they should. This is common sense talking.

    Ironically, though ‘white advocacy’ in America has become taboo, it is needed more than ever.

    The opposition is uniting and organizing. The political heat is rising. But whites are paralyzed by accusations of ‘racism’ and ‘white supremacy’. Even Trump must adjust his rhetoric accordingly.

    At the same time, many ‘minorities’ are allowed to express racial solidarity and work openly to advance their ethno-racial interests.

    These toxic, politically-correct double-standard undermine the interests of millions of everyday Americans whose ancestors came from Europe and who settled and built this enviable civilization.

    But today, countless white Americans are being displaced by foreign nationals. And court-approved ‘affirmative action’ is making the problem worse. Far worse.

    Let the declaration be made:

    White continuity matters.

    White kinship matters.

    White interests matter.

    Acknowledging this is not evil. Acknowledging this is not ‘racist’. It is a fact of nature and humankind.

    Yet the common, collective interests of white Americans are being subverted by elites in our media, our government, throughout our courts, and within our universities. This is treason in slow motion.

    It is the inability of white Americans to openly discuss (and advocate for) white interests that drives many members of the Alt-right to resort to hyperbole concerning ‘immigrant crime’. On this point you are absolutely correct, Ron.

    Whites are nevertheless in a box, especially those on the lower socio-economic spectrum. Their voice is being thwarted.

    After all, would the Japanese allow a racial transformation inside Japan to occur that is similar to what’s happening inside America?

    No. It would be suicidal.

    Would the Chinese in China?

    Never.

    Or the Jews in Israel?

    Of course not. So why should we?

    It is America’s new, adversarial establishment that is primarily to blame for this. Kevin MacDonald refers to them as ‘hostile elites’.

    Unfortunately, connecting the dots on this subject makes one a ‘white supremacist’ to our media gatekeepers. And it is they who control the megaphone and manage ‘mainstream’ political discourse. They tell us who the bad guys are. It’s us!

    Their politically-correct smears gives antifa thugs license to attack.

    After that, the police stand down.

    We saw this happen in Charlottesville.

    Lastly, the MSM prevaricates and distorts the events and the subsequent narrative. They win the propaganda war.

    Fact: America is a European-derived civilization. We want to keep it for our children and and our posterity. This goal is normal and natural; except that it’s expression is no longer tolerated.

    This is tyranny.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @geokat62
    mark green for President.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Hear! Hear!
    , @foolisholdman
    I think you can blame the situation you describe on the globalists, the proponents of the Plan for the New American Century. They run the US MIC and the CIA, who between them have made it their business to overthrow every would-be progressive, patriotic government in the Americas and replace it with one more to their taste. The results are so dire, that large numbers of Latinos want to follow their money to the USA, and who can blame them?
    These people (the PNACs) are of the same tribe that want the white/Christians out of existence, by dilution or anyhow else. They are the principal problem. As Mao wrote in his article called "On Contradiction"; in any situation you find yourself in, you will be facing a number of problems. (He called them 'contradictions'.) One of them will be the most important problem, which will underlie many of the problems facing you, and until you can resolve that, the principle problem, you will not be able to solve most of the problem facing you. When you do solve it, many of your minor problems will solve themselves. I think that it is quite clear after reading only a part of the Unz Review, what the principle contradiction, in terms of this discussion, is.
  50. @Miro23
    The issue is what to do about it.

    It's a really difficult question, but probably any positive change is going to start locally, and deal with individuals. When US society starts to sort itself out (organize itself at county level?) it can embark on creating ground-up political systems that serve the public rather than the plutocracy.

    It's still a complicated procedure. In the military, when dealing with hopeless disintegrating units, at least they have a chain of command and a mission. An effective leader can impose discipline, starting with a few basic things like "wear your helmet", "clean and carry your rifle at all times", "carry your ammunition right "etc. and gradually build up from there.

    Under a democracy (especially the US variety) it's a lot more difficult. Democracy is a one way street. When it works correctly it's fine, but it's open to the special interest corruption of representatives, and the fatal laziness of the public. When it fails (as the US variant more or less has) it can't be reconstructed at the national level - since Special Interests have an entirely different mission (feed themselves), and use their MSM and the administration power to form a set of interlocking plates to protect themselves and keep out outsiders.

    The possibilities I see are 1) a local, low level political movement, as far away from Washington as possible, taking back local affairs (and taxation) i.e. a US Federation, or 2) a military coup run by US nationalists that shuts down New York, DC and Hollywood or 3) a shooting civil war or 4) a world (nuclear) war.

    1) Would clearly be preferable, but who would provide the leadership? And while they organize, can they simultaneously face off Washington? What kind of local organization would shake individual Americans out of their stupor and get them to be politically active and change their lives?

    2) Unlikely, since the top military are thoroughly vetted and integrated into the Empire. Also, should it happen, the US would receive a new and unpredictable dictatorial elite for Special Interests to get to work on.

    3) Quite possible since the US is loaded with firearms, and the armed forces would probably show split loyalties (be reluctant to destroy American cities). At the end of it, the US would lie in ruins.

    4) More likely than it appears since the US is being highly provocative towards Russia, and backing them into a corner with regard to nuclear treaties, placement of short range nuclear weapons etc. (now also starting with China). This wouldn't take more than a few days and would be TEOWAKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) given the power of modern nuclear weapons. The US could end up a depopulated and irrelevant wasteland.

    Of course there is still the last (and most likely), "do nothing" option, whereby the US continues its slide into a Zio-Glob dictatorship of the traditional kind with a controlled population, censorship, secret police, detention camps, across the board SJW indoctrination, media propaganda and an elite Nomenklatura.

    1) Would clearly be preferable, but who would provide the leadership?

    I have a vague memory that there were 2 or 3 guys in the days before Charlottesville who said it was a bad set up and they pulled out. Does anybody else remember that? It would not be a bad minimum qualification for such a role. The converse might also be useful. Anybody who was foolish enough to show up to Charlottesville is out.

  51. Racism is a small factor. The anger is against mass immigration. If millions of poor, white, Ukrainians could flood into the US, the alt-right (aka working class Americans) would hate that too. Corporate American loves cheap, desperate labor that mass immigration provides. It hates higher minimum wages, so even in high-cost “liberal” California it will finally crawl up to just $12 in 2019, far below the inflation adjusted rate in the 1970s.

    This is not enough for a full-time worker to afford a studio apartment in most of the state. High wage people can’t afford homes because prices are outrageous driven up by mass legal and illegal immigration. Low wage immigrants pack two or more families into a home to survive, but his overwhelms schools and parking and city services. Middle class workers cannot afford healthcare unless the employer pays most, unless they are poor and get free Medicaid, that is provided to poor legal immigrants too. Immigrants legally bring over elderly parents who are dumped on Medicare and Medicaid and corporate America profits. Liberal California doesn’t give a damn, because this one party state controlled by the rich just selected a former lobbyist as head of the state assembly.

    Expressways are packed and homelessness grows. Residents of all races are angered at this population explosion but are told to shut up because they are racists! The problem is so bad that new immigrants openly call for abolishing ICE, a code word for open borders. Meanwhile, when hoards of immigrants march north to crash through the border because they think it’s their right, only President Trump tries to stop them, so he is called a racist. Native Americans (of all races) are angry, but if they express anger at this invasion, Corporate America deems them racist and bans their websites. Americans who think US citizens deserve priority over foreigners are deemed nationalists, and if they hold rallies, billionaire funded Nazi brown shirts dressed in black attack them while local police are instructed to stand down.

    The chaos will worse when California state income tax receipts are tallied in April. The state gets over one-third its money by taxing high-income workers up to 13%, and with the stock market down that tax revenue will fall sharply just like in 2009. Citizens suggest that removing a millions foreigners here on work visas, and a couple million illegals will help by reducing traffic, housing costs, education costs, social services costs, and boost wages. This logic is undeniable, so corporate media responds that such talk is — RACIST!

    Senior native California Victor Davis Hanson explains this well:

    • Replies: @Miro23

    Racism is a small factor.
     
    I would say it was more a question of power. Multiethnic societies can get along fine if the question of political power is resolved.

    For example, parts of Spain have societies that are 50% comprised of foreigners (North Africans, South Americans, British, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, Bulgarians, Rumanians, Russians etc.) who are working, and classed as "long-term foreign residents". They pay taxes, get healthcare and schooling and have all rights apart from a passport and the right to vote. They live in more or less separate communities with little integration, but get along OK with few problems.

    The key point seems to be that they don't have political power (nationality or the vote) and don't care about it, if they can work and send money back to their respective countries + get the schooling and healthcare. They accept that Spain is Spanish.

    What friction there is, comes from wage competition (pushing wages down), but Spanish employers are the first to contract cheap immigrant labour (in for example in catering and construction), and they control the politics.

  52. @mark green
    Hi Ron. Well said. Quite reasonable. You are basically correct on all points. But wait.

    Since 'racism' (expressing a racial preference in America when white) can bring about personal destruction--and just the allegation of 'racism' (like the allegation of 'antisemitism') is now used as a political weapon-- a full, broader and more honest examination the impact of 'illegal immigration' is sorely needed. Yet it's not there.

    Race, intelligence, class, physical appearance, temperment, drive, and personality do matter. Differences endure.

    The black experience in America tells us so.

    Diversity is not our strength. Commonality is our strength.

    Yet the 'diversity-is-our-strength' myth endures. And not by accident. This propaganda is a form of subterfuge.

    With that in mind, there is no good reason that the US should tolerate the unlawful entry of millions of Third World underachievers into our prosperous and orderly civilization. This is common sense talking. Wonderful 'diversity' is dividing our nation, not unifying it.

    This is the reasonable conclusion of many in the Alt-right. But they are denied a voice because these sentiments are declared 'racist'.

    The resent-driven Left (with plenty of help from the 'Hispanic community' and our MSM) also refuses to acknowledge the economic and cultural downside (affecting millions of white Americans) that countless Spanish-speaking, MesoAmericans create by sneaking into the US and establishing poor, welfare-dependent enclaves that vote as ethnic blocks.

    There's also the measurable political loss that occurs when whites become a minority inside their own country. These facts should require no explanation. But they do in the face of constant propaganda that surrounds the 'undocumented immigrant' question.

    We are at a tipping point. Why should white Americans continue along this path?

    Besides, the people of Mexico and Honduras and Guatemala already have their own countries. If we're all 'equal' then shouldn't these descendents of the Aztec and Mayan remain where they are and build up their own civilizations?

    Of course they should. This is common sense talking.

    Ironically, though 'white advocacy' in America has become taboo, it is needed more than ever.

    The opposition is uniting and organizing. The political heat is rising. But whites are paralyzed by accusations of 'racism' and 'white supremacy'. Even Trump must adjust his rhetoric accordingly.

    At the same time, many 'minorities' are allowed to express racial solidarity and work openly to advance their ethno-racial interests.

    These toxic, politically-correct double-standard undermine the interests of millions of everyday Americans whose ancestors came from Europe and who settled and built this enviable civilization.

    But today, countless white Americans are being displaced by foreign nationals. And court-approved 'affirmative action' is making the problem worse. Far worse.

    Let the declaration be made:

    White continuity matters.

    White kinship matters.

    White interests matter.

    Acknowledging this is not evil. Acknowledging this is not 'racist'. It is a fact of nature and humankind.

    Yet the common, collective interests of white Americans are being subverted by elites in our media, our government, throughout our courts, and within our universities. This is treason in slow motion.

    It is the inability of white Americans to openly discuss (and advocate for) white interests that drives many members of the Alt-right to resort to hyperbole concerning 'immigrant crime'. On this point you are absolutely correct, Ron.

    Whites are nevertheless in a box, especially those on the lower socio-economic spectrum. Their voice is being thwarted.

    After all, would the Japanese allow a racial transformation inside Japan to occur that is similar to what's happening inside America?

    No. It would be suicidal.

    Would the Chinese in China?

    Never.

    Or the Jews in Israel?

    Of course not. So why should we?

    It is America's new, adversarial establishment that is primarily to blame for this. Kevin MacDonald refers to them as 'hostile elites'.

    Unfortunately, connecting the dots on this subject makes one a 'white supremacist' to our media gatekeepers. And it is they who control the megaphone and manage 'mainstream' political discourse. They tell us who the bad guys are. It's us!

    Their politically-correct smears gives antifa thugs license to attack.

    After that, the police stand down.

    We saw this happen in Charlottesville.

    Lastly, the MSM prevaricates and distorts the events and the subsequent narrative. They win the propaganda war.

    Fact: America is a European-derived civilization. We want to keep it for our children and and our posterity. This goal is normal and natural; except that it's expression is no longer tolerated.

    This is tyranny.

    mark green for President.

  53. @Johnny Rottenborough
    Alt-Right people are always talking about the horrific future consequences of white Europeans becoming a minority, but they already became a minority decades ago in Silicon Valley, and these days are probably down to around 30% or so. Yet everything is perfectly fine here

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?

    Well, it all depends. Since California’s current population is around 40 million and probably not much above 30% white European these days, I’d say it constitutes a pretty reasonable test-case.

    Now I was born in CA and have lived here nearly all of my life, so I think I have a pretty solid sense of things. I’d strongly argue that over the last fifty years some things have gotten better and some things have gotten worse, in complicated ways.

    I’d say that most of the things that have gotten better have been due to broader trends such as technological advances, with computers and the Internet being among the most important. Obviously, those same things have gotten better everywhere else in the US and the entire world. Another positive development has been the elimination of the smog that had been such a huge problem in the LA of the 1960s. Health care has gotten better for the same reason, but also much more ridiculously expensive, so it’s a mixed bag, the same as everywhere else in the US.

    But if we’re looking as changes/trends that are different in CA than in the rest of the US, I’d say that most things have gotten worse, especially quality of life. Traffic is certainly much worse and housing is ridiculously expensive, with the former problem substantially due to the latter, as a large fraction of the state’s population has been pushed out into more distant and less desirable areas to live. These are universally recognized as two of the state’s biggest problems, and extreme housing costs have also led to very high (adjusted) poverty rates, another huge problem. All of this is pretty much what you’d expect to happen as the CA population doubled from 20M to 40M on the same land area. Some of these problems are especially severe in the Silicon Valley areas.

    For example, here’s a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America:

    https://game-leaks.com/shadow-of-homelessness-hangs-over-bay-area-students/

    Now immigration has obviously been a very large factor behind the doubling of the CA population, and since the latter has caused such a considerable decline in quality of life, it’s perfectly reasonable to blame immigration for many of those problems. Basically, if you pack too many people inside a nice bus, it gets to be a serious problem.

    But I just don’t see any evidence that the particular non-white racial skew of all those immigrants has been a major problem, at least over the last 15-20 years.

    Here’s an absolutely crucial point that summarizes much of my position on that issue. During the late 1960s/early 1970s, California was about 80% white European and these days it’s down to little more than 30%. Yet the degree of racially-tinged political conflict or violence back then was ***MASSIVELY*** greater than today. Indeed, I’d put it pretty close to zero in recent years. In fact, I’d say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here. That’s simply a fact and you’d have a very hard time persuading sensible people who grew up here otherwise. (Pretty much the same is true for the huge decline in crime rates across most of the state.)

    Now I’d certainly agree that US immigration has been much too high in the last decade or two and should be substantially reduced, which would help alleviate all sorts of important problems.

    But based on the major California example, arguing for such reduction on racial grounds seems about the weakest possible argument to make. Since that’s pretty obviously the underlying concern propelling so much of the agitated anti-immigration activists, perhaps that fact helps explain why they’ve had such total lack of success for decades.

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being “killers and rapists” just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    In 2018, the CA electorate was still 63% white, but the Trump/Republican immigration arguments didn’t do very well here. The Republicans lost half their remaining Congressional seats and are now down to just 7(!) out of 55, while the Democrats gained 3/4ths(!) majorities in both houses of the State Legislature. So the views of the top Silicon Valley people aren’t really all that totally different from the views of average CA whites.

    Suppose someone on the Internet was arguing that heavy immigration was causing all sorts of problems and should be reduced. Lots of people might say “Hmmm… Why do you think so?” But if the answer came back “Because lots of immigrants are actually werewolves and vampires!!!” I really doubt the fellow would have much success…

    • Replies: @geokat62

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being “killers and rapists” just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.
     
    Sensible? Don't you mean "decent," Ron:

    Most Californians view illegal immigrants as unwanted house guests. One very effective means of getting rid of such guests is to set your house on fire and burn it to the ground. This is Proposition 187′s solution to illegal immigration. It would be a financial and social disaster for California, and the worst moral disaster for our state since the internment of Japanese Americans. No decent Californian should support it.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/against-prop-187/
     
    , @Johnny Rottenborough
    Ron Unz—Thank you very much indeed for replying. I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life. I spent a few days in America many moons ago, visiting Seattle and Oregon, so I have no personal knowledge of present-day America.

    I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population. In England, to the best of my knowledge, whites have always simply fled as non-whites have moved in, skipping the violent phase. What will happen when the English have nowhere left to flee to, time will tell.

    From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine. I suppose what I was really hinting at, though, are the long-term prospects for America remaining perfectly fine when it becomes a majority Third World territory, given that, to date, only Europeans have been able to build the European civilizations which the rest of the world finds so attractive. Will America become Mexico with nukes?

    Heartfelt thanks for your Review, one of the last homes of genuine free speech.

    , @RationalExpressions
    Do you think some of what you are saying is due to a selection bias? Many of the people who were against illegal immigration voted with their feet once the courts overruled propositions voted at the ballot box meant to curtail the deluge. So there is less opposition and more a sense of unity as those folks have been replaced by immigrants. So now you just have relatively small wealthy White/Asian communities that are immune to social issues and non-wealthy Hispanic populations that have become a large majority and have shaped the state in their image. Thus the apparent peace. But at what cost? California is now lost to old stock Californians - the Okies and other mid-century dreamers (heh!).
    , @Anonymous
    Thank you once again Ron for keeping a laser like focus on the perils of legal immigration along with that of illegal immigration, which most people just discount as something innocuous. Replacing the upper middle class and the elite class of this country with someone from a low trust, dog eat dog culture like India and China will irreversibly change the character of our country as well as the direction it is going in. We see the terrible repercussions of importing high IQ and extremely low trust (with goyim out-groups) ashkenazi folk today.

    Granted China is miles ahead of India (which is way way more ethnocentric due to it's myriad castes and competing groups treating eat other as out-groups) but still it is way too different from a Saxon perspective that provides Anglo-Saxon Europe and Anglo Saxon derived derived nations such high quality of life which is based on a high trust society

    Though we do differ on the role Hispanic or rather (to be precise) Mestizos are going to play in the country, there are at least agreements on the perils of legal immigration that you seem to understand well. That's positive

    , @CalDre

    I’d say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.
     
    This kind of violence is heavily repressed. Even "talk" of racial dislikes is extremely heavily repressed. It is true that you can keep people down with heavy totalitarian repression like California employs, but that doesn't mean people don't have racial or ethnic animus; it just means people are fearful. You can see what happens when the pressure cooker is removed in many instances in history, including, for example, the break-up of Yugoslavia.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here.
     
    This again depends on how you look at it. I find California to be amazingly segregated. You have Hispanics working in White businesses, but in general, not living with them. Integration is very poor. While I don't sense a great hostility among the general population, there isn't any great love either. You do not even see very many Hispanic-White couples - indeed, astoundingly few - despite the almost pervasive "economic integration" (meaning, Hispanics are constantly in contact with Whites due to work patterns).

    Again, it seems to me a lot of the conflict has been suppressed by California's totalitarian Communist approach on any outward sign of "racism", with the false "equality" dogma that Communists always use, which is perfectly displayed in SV itself.
    , @jbwilson24
    "So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here."

    California might be able to sustain this trend for a while, but I wouldn't extrapolate the same trend to other jurisdictions.

    The odd thing about humans is that we are still animals. Animals, including primates, behave very differently in situations of resource scarcity than they do when they are constantly satiated. Orangutans, gorillas and other primates will be absolutely lethal to members of other groups when they are competing for food, but they will tolerate incursions by outsiders when they have sufficient resources.

    California has a ton of debt and a ton of poorer people, but on the whole it is not a particularly poor part of the world. (Hence the large numbers of immigrants). Given its massive economic output, it seems to be able to sustain large deficits, for now.

    Can every jurisdiction operate like California? Can we pack massively diverse populations into every corner of the planet and expect some tech utopia to emerge?

    I wager not. Throw in a depression, disruptions to food/energy/communications infrastructure, etc etc. We'll see a lot of these diverse areas change rapidly, because human nature will come back into play.

    People tolerate differences as long as they have what they need, but as soon as they have to compete for resources they quicky find that being individualistic is suboptimal, and they gravitate towards people in their identity group.
    , @pyrrhus
    Ron, I have never lived in CA, though my kids do, but I have been visiting there for exactly 50 years, and Caliifornia has gotten a lot worse during that period, pretty much across the board...It has gotten worse financially, politically, educationally and environmentally...e.g.Beautiful areas on the south coast have been overrun by developers..California schools, both secondary and University, have been overrun by cultural Marxists..Most cities are facing bankruptcy due to the costs of pensions, healthcare, and the flocks of illegals and homeless who have been invited in by your politicians..I don't see any area, apart from the jobs created by software development, that has not deteriorated...Please explain to me why I am wrong....
    , @American citizen
    1Mr. Unz,

    You write, "For example, here’s a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America."

    This is an incredibly ignorant statement. We know you've made it and have some money, as do your friends, but don't for one second believe $1,900 a month rent is something easily attainable.

    This is your Mitt Romney moment. Remember the time Mitt challenged somebody to a $10,000 bet? This solidified for many just how elitist and out of the touch the guy is.

    You don't know many poor people, do you?

    , @unpc downunder
    Another possible reason why the alt right in the US is struggling is because alt right attitudes to economic issues don't resonate with working class whites, who are the people who are most likely to be attracted to nationalism and populism. Trump's red hat movement has attracted a fair number of anxious lower middle class whites but there are still lots of working class whites who have no interest in voting for tax cuts for Wall Street Bankers (incidentally, only about 63 percent of whites in the US vote, which is the lowest percentage in any western country).

    The more high brow end of the US alt right comes across as an online revolt by upper-middle class curmudgeons who (rightly or wrongly) have some cultural hang ups about modern liberalism but aren't really experiencing any economic pain from high immigration or economic globalism. A more working class white nationalist movement also exists but appears to be riddled with oddballs, wannabe thugs, and over the top anti-Semites.

    In Europe the alt right is more of a real world movement which is steadily attracting working and lower-middle class natives who are suffering from the twin effects of high immigration and neo-liberal economic policies. It doesn't waste much time on fringe cultural issues or debating whether or not there was a Jewish holocaust.

    If the alt-right in the US expects to have an serious political influence, it needs to become more of a populist movement, with its leaders reasonably well-versed in the economic impact of globalisation, not a fringe movement for middle-class eccentrics and underclass ex-cons.
    , @Anonymous
    Unfortunately, Silicon Valley life bathed in wealth, with immigration being primarily legal immigration of valedictorians from Asia, is hardly representative of the issues facing much of the rest of the US. Or even the rest of California. You should check out some of Victor Davis Hanson's takes on what illegal immigration is doing to life in his stretch of California.
  54. @Frederick V. Reed
    Indeed. It is not just in Silicon Vallley that Hispanic crime is disappointingly low. I make a point of asking about race relations with Latins everywhere I go, and ask friends in other places. DC, New York, Chicago{{Berwyn and Pilsen, for example--San Antonio, Houston, on and on. Nobody reports Breitbartian problems. Black crime, yes. My impression is that most of the alarmed, to include leaders of th Alt Right, have little or no experience of Latin America or Latinos.

    Mestizo countries are probably the most violent and crime-ridden hellholes on the planet. Doubt you or Ron Unz would relish moving to live with the hoi polloi in Rio de Janeiro. You know what would be great? If the Fed gov was instead used a weapon against your type to settle a cross-section of Somalians in government-funded housing in your areas. See how well that goes for you.

    That’s the thing, though. Ensconced in a bubble of the Silicon Shtetl, you don’t need to see nor care about any of this. You still have enough wealth to pretend things are great by paying a premium to not live near the overwhelming majority of these non-Europeans and hey, maybe even some of the blacks and browns you live around are the talented 0.1% so aren’t misery to be around. Great for you. The reality of course is a lot different for the white masses. Ron Unz lives in a highly segregated area where alien elites (mostly east Asian and Brahmin Indians) still tolerate whites but will move to get rid of them and give nepotistic gigs to Sundar Pichai’s retarded cousin Pajeet who can’t stop asking to show bobs and vegana as soon as possible, if it’s not already happening.

    When whites are an absolute minority, we already know what we have to look forward to by looking at both South Africa today and what’s happening in our countries now. Increasing violence against us, more gradual dispossession, more anti-white race laws and policies, intensifying affirmative action, quotas, set-asides that use Orwellian terminology like “legacy majority” or “majority-minority” “race-conscious admissions) and whatever else they come up with to claim this state of affairs MUST continue indefinitely until the last white man has been murdered or made by the government deciding the winners and losers into an invisible loser unable to attract his own group’s women and then there are no more actual whites left, just as the jew writer Eric Kaufmann stated, a bunch of brown people who claim to be white and do a We Wuz The Founding Fathers, We Wuz Englishmen etc. mass of le 56% faces who “identify” with the people who actually created the now-decayed husk of a civilization.

    Worse is to come down the pipe, though. The various forms of redistribution from white to non-white can’t continue apace indefinitely. So eventually those somewhat pacified Mestizos you think are so peaceful won’t be getting as much free stuff to keep them in these better-than-where-they-came-from conditions and then it’ll be just like any other central or south American shithole, except that the whites forced to live near them by the government deciding the winners and losers in life won’t even be able to raise a finger in self-defense, and will be constantly chased down by government policies to forcibly “diversify” everywhere we live.

    I mean look at what’s happening now, lawfare-instituted struggle sessions in the courtroom because someone pointed out that this banana-in-a-noose thing was a hoax.

    https://apnews.com/51b6ed10e4654426a2855a42ad58ba0d

    Think things like this will get better or worse when we have less demographic power and worse than the no political representation we have now? The anti-white policies and rhetoric have been intensifying as we are ethnically cleansed, NOT softening. We have no reason to believe it will and if history is a barometer, every reason to believe it will reach violent genocide levels.

    In any case EVEN if–and we know this isn’t true, but for the sake of argument–even if these people were all wonderful and it wasn’t just wealth transfer from us to them and dispossession into racial genocide, what do we get out of this? Even if they were 100% the same as us and everything carried on, except without us, why is ethnic cleansing a moral good and what do we even get out of this? We know they aren’t equal to us in ability and that things won’t carry on, obviously, but no one can explain how we and our descendants somehow benefit from any of this. Did we and our ancestors give our blood, sweat and tears and toil away to hand it away to ungrateful foreigners who hate our guts, want us dead and to take our stuff? Probably not.

    • Agree: Kemidov
    • Replies: @Biff

    If the Fed gov was instead used a weapon against your type
     
    “Danger” liberal ahead.
    , @SafeNow
    The theme of the Unz essay is that nothing has unraveled. But I live in S. California and every day I see time and again that life has unraveled; don’t get me started. This will get much worse. And, the decline will be contagious, affecting many pre-replacement people. This will beset the entire country. It will be fast. I must disagree with Saxon about “take our stuff” - -it won’t be all stuff — the replacement people will still want us to keep our seats in the airline cockpit.
  55. Can’t wait for the water supply of Southern California to dry up…..where ever it comes from…

    The Chinese and Hindus in California=LOCUST…

  56. @Colin Wright
    Substantially, I agree with most of what you say. The issue is what to do about it.

    More or less at random, the following thoughts come to mind.

    First, those of us who engage in thought crime of whatever form need an alternative web that is at least more difficult to shut down. As long as we're at the mercy of mainstream censors, we'll never get anywhere.

    Meantime, the issue is whether to appease or outrage. This always poses a quandary; I see it a lot in my own area of especial concern: Israel. Do you carefully assure everyone you agree Israel has a right to exist, dutifully decry 'terrorism,' avoid ever referring to 'Jews,' etc -- and work yourself into a position of total impotence?

    Or do you rage about the disproportionate power, influence, and privilege of Jews, denounce Israel as essentially a Nazi state, argue that any measures against it are justified, and so on -- and find yourself off in a corner with twelve other 'anti-semites', banned by all?

    This is a general problem. To take the path of moderation, and remain 'legitimate' at the risk if becoming innocuous -- or call a spade a spade at the risk of being completely marginalized?

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren't.

    Well, speaking for myself, they're free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I'm concerned, it's like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don't share. Have at it, though. It's like golf. Of no interest to me, but don't let me spoil your fun.

    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor -- but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he'll move hastily on.

    It's like Obama birtherism, or 9/11 having all been staged, or any one of several such beliefs. It's an immediate red flag that triggers a 'shake your head and move on' response from most people.

    Again, I'm not sure what to do about that. There's little point in decrying mainstream censorship if we're just going to muzzle ourselves. On the other hand...

    Well, that's about it for now. Unz's points are thought-provoking.

    Sigh, too true. – ..…the needle and the damage done – a little part of it in everyone…or I think of – – – – Freud’s Death Drive (no specifically Jewish – rather a human thing – and a universal pubertarian thing as well: Let’s make friends with the romantic losers, This is the End – My Only Friend, the End, no Laughter no Surprise Again, This is The End – – – – This is The Eeeeee-ee-nd..). The biggest kick comes from the greatest taboos. Sigh, sigh. In the end – what matters is to be alive ‘n’ kickin’ though – let the dead bury their dead – to be alive means, to make mistakes (without our mistakes, there’d be no progress, and no need for redemption and transcendence, either – – – – – – – Merry Christmas!

  57. @Ron Unz

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?
     
    Well, it all depends. Since California's current population is around 40 million and probably not much above 30% white European these days, I'd say it constitutes a pretty reasonable test-case.

    Now I was born in CA and have lived here nearly all of my life, so I think I have a pretty solid sense of things. I'd strongly argue that over the last fifty years some things have gotten better and some things have gotten worse, in complicated ways.

    I'd say that most of the things that have gotten better have been due to broader trends such as technological advances, with computers and the Internet being among the most important. Obviously, those same things have gotten better everywhere else in the US and the entire world. Another positive development has been the elimination of the smog that had been such a huge problem in the LA of the 1960s. Health care has gotten better for the same reason, but also much more ridiculously expensive, so it's a mixed bag, the same as everywhere else in the US.

    But if we're looking as changes/trends that are different in CA than in the rest of the US, I'd say that most things have gotten worse, especially quality of life. Traffic is certainly much worse and housing is ridiculously expensive, with the former problem substantially due to the latter, as a large fraction of the state's population has been pushed out into more distant and less desirable areas to live. These are universally recognized as two of the state's biggest problems, and extreme housing costs have also led to very high (adjusted) poverty rates, another huge problem. All of this is pretty much what you'd expect to happen as the CA population doubled from 20M to 40M on the same land area. Some of these problems are especially severe in the Silicon Valley areas.

    For example, here's a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America:

    https://game-leaks.com/shadow-of-homelessness-hangs-over-bay-area-students/

    Now immigration has obviously been a very large factor behind the doubling of the CA population, and since the latter has caused such a considerable decline in quality of life, it's perfectly reasonable to blame immigration for many of those problems. Basically, if you pack too many people inside a nice bus, it gets to be a serious problem.

    But I just don't see any evidence that the particular non-white racial skew of all those immigrants has been a major problem, at least over the last 15-20 years.

    Here's an absolutely crucial point that summarizes much of my position on that issue. During the late 1960s/early 1970s, California was about 80% white European and these days it's down to little more than 30%. Yet the degree of racially-tinged political conflict or violence back then was ***MASSIVELY*** greater than today. Indeed, I'd put it pretty close to zero in recent years. In fact, I'd say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here. That's simply a fact and you'd have a very hard time persuading sensible people who grew up here otherwise. (Pretty much the same is true for the huge decline in crime rates across most of the state.)

    Now I'd certainly agree that US immigration has been much too high in the last decade or two and should be substantially reduced, which would help alleviate all sorts of important problems.

    But based on the major California example, arguing for such reduction on racial grounds seems about the weakest possible argument to make. Since that's pretty obviously the underlying concern propelling so much of the agitated anti-immigration activists, perhaps that fact helps explain why they've had such total lack of success for decades.

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being "killers and rapists" just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    In 2018, the CA electorate was still 63% white, but the Trump/Republican immigration arguments didn't do very well here. The Republicans lost half their remaining Congressional seats and are now down to just 7(!) out of 55, while the Democrats gained 3/4ths(!) majorities in both houses of the State Legislature. So the views of the top Silicon Valley people aren't really all that totally different from the views of average CA whites.

    Suppose someone on the Internet was arguing that heavy immigration was causing all sorts of problems and should be reduced. Lots of people might say "Hmmm... Why do you think so?" But if the answer came back "Because lots of immigrants are actually werewolves and vampires!!!" I really doubt the fellow would have much success...

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being “killers and rapists” just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    Sensible? Don’t you mean “decent,” Ron:

    Most Californians view illegal immigrants as unwanted house guests. One very effective means of getting rid of such guests is to set your house on fire and burn it to the ground. This is Proposition 187′s solution to illegal immigration. It would be a financial and social disaster for California, and the worst moral disaster for our state since the internment of Japanese Americans. No decent Californian should support it.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/against-prop-187/

  58. @Brabantian
    A key thing to note, is that the 'alt-right' etc does not really help itself all that much by pulling punches and 'being moderate'

    In part because the Powers That Be intentionally promote extremist crazy-sounding versions of some perspectives, to set up 'straw men', a technique the intel agency propagandists call 'poisoning the well'

    For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues - Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today ... all 3 websites have troves of valuable, often unique articles, revealing genuine truth about all sorts of scandals and crimes

    And on all 3 sites, these articles are right next to pieces about space aliens from other planets amongst us, shape-shifting lizards etc

    This is by design and on purpose ... CIA-Google promotes such sites, specifically for this reason ... Want info on Scandal X? Well at top of search is that scandal info, on a site right next to space-alien lore ... so the true stuff is 'self-discredited'

    Gordon Duff of Veterans Today - chuckling as he calls himself a 'self-hating Jew' - has flipped this idea in reverse, admitting in a radio interview that some 30% of what is on his site is totally not true ... he says that, this is what allows him to print the true material, without being murdered, by the US gov he still claims to serve in a few capacities

    It is sometimes suggested that the reason Andrew Anglin's 'neon-Nazi' Daily Stormer gets so much free media - helping it to recover to 4 million viewers a month despite all the rolling censoring shutdowns - is precisely because of its role as being an 'extreme' version of alt-right themes, a perpetual 'straw man' ... Ironically, Anglin's main partner, site IT whiz Andrew Auernheimer aka Weev, was said by his mom to be Jewish, tho Weev says this is 'Elizabeth Warren tier'

    Jewish Harvard Law prof & internet deception maven Cass Sunstein, openly advocates CIA-run web-trolling, in partnership with CIA-Google controlling internet search ... and also the CIA's Wikipedia, run by ex-pornographer and personal friend of Israeli Presidents, Jimmy Wales ... Google and Wiki work to see to it that 'reasonable' websites are kept in the shade if not toe-ing the party line

    Ron Unz is to be congratulated for getting Unz to where it is today ... but the Powers That Be do recognise that getting the rebel intellectuals corralled, and being able to read and share a little, is useful for the moment

    For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues – Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today … all 3 websites have troves of valuable, often unique articles, revealing genuine truth about all sorts of scandals and crimes And on all 3 sites, these articles are right next to pieces about space aliens from other planets amongst us, shape-shifting lizards etc This is by design and on purpose

    It seems that way. I call them sites with built-in strawmen.

    The typical blogger is usually begging for money and hence probably pretty easy to influence, but some of the fancier high-traffic sites, including some of the ones you mentioned, look like carefully designed psy-ops.

    • Replies: @anon

    >For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues – Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today
     

    It seems that way. I call them sites with built-in strawmen.

    The typical blogger is usually begging for money and hence probably pretty easy to influence, but some of the fancier high-traffic sites, including some of the ones you mentioned, look like carefully designed psy-ops.
     
    the day after Trump announced he will remove the troops from Syria, Rense had Gordon Duff on from VT and both seemed to be against it, acting like Trump was crazy and Duff even advocated for removing Trump under the 25th Amendment and replacing him with "the respected" Al Gore, lol
  59. Senator John F Kennedy was directly involved in “airlifting” Barack Obama Senior into 90 percent Native Born White America…with a 100,000 dollar educational grant…

    You didn’t know this…did you……you god dam RETARD worshippers of JFK…

    What do you JFK worshippers glue your JFK pinup boy posters to the wall with? What precious bodily fluids do you use?

    This is why the Native Born White American Working Class was voted into a White Racial Foreigner and White Racial Minority within the borders of California….you can thank your pinup boy JFK for this….

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    I’m guessing that there aren’t a lot of JFK worshippers around here.
    , @Jack C
    There is a substantial difference between worshiping JFK and recognizing Israel's responsibility for his murder.
    , @Hans
    Sorry, but Obama had no genetic input into the creation of Bathhouse Barry. His mother came under the sway, probably frequently, of commie Frank Marshall Davis.

    https://i1.wp.com/sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Obamas-Big-Lie-Revealed-real-father-is-Frank-Marshall-Davis-full-page-ad-in-NY-Post-0912-web.jpg?fit=600%2C677&ssl=1

    More on Davis-Obama - https://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/barack-obamas-real-biological-and-ideological-father-and-mentor-was-frank-marshall-davis-communist-party-member-is-obama-a-communist-agent-of-influence-videos/

    The Kennedys were sufficiently anti the jew agenda to get taken out, so trying to lay blame for the open borders plan doesn't work.
  60. @Carlton Meyer
    Racism is a small factor. The anger is against mass immigration. If millions of poor, white, Ukrainians could flood into the US, the alt-right (aka working class Americans) would hate that too. Corporate American loves cheap, desperate labor that mass immigration provides. It hates higher minimum wages, so even in high-cost "liberal" California it will finally crawl up to just $12 in 2019, far below the inflation adjusted rate in the 1970s.

    This is not enough for a full-time worker to afford a studio apartment in most of the state. High wage people can't afford homes because prices are outrageous driven up by mass legal and illegal immigration. Low wage immigrants pack two or more families into a home to survive, but his overwhelms schools and parking and city services. Middle class workers cannot afford healthcare unless the employer pays most, unless they are poor and get free Medicaid, that is provided to poor legal immigrants too. Immigrants legally bring over elderly parents who are dumped on Medicare and Medicaid and corporate America profits. Liberal California doesn't give a damn, because this one party state controlled by the rich just selected a former lobbyist as head of the state assembly.

    Expressways are packed and homelessness grows. Residents of all races are angered at this population explosion but are told to shut up because they are racists! The problem is so bad that new immigrants openly call for abolishing ICE, a code word for open borders. Meanwhile, when hoards of immigrants march north to crash through the border because they think it's their right, only President Trump tries to stop them, so he is called a racist. Native Americans (of all races) are angry, but if they express anger at this invasion, Corporate America deems them racist and bans their websites. Americans who think US citizens deserve priority over foreigners are deemed nationalists, and if they hold rallies, billionaire funded Nazi brown shirts dressed in black attack them while local police are instructed to stand down.

    The chaos will worse when California state income tax receipts are tallied in April. The state gets over one-third its money by taxing high-income workers up to 13%, and with the stock market down that tax revenue will fall sharply just like in 2009. Citizens suggest that removing a millions foreigners here on work visas, and a couple million illegals will help by reducing traffic, housing costs, education costs, social services costs, and boost wages. This logic is undeniable, so corporate media responds that such talk is -- RACIST!

    Senior native California Victor Davis Hanson explains this well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eNcuGcPW4

    Racism is a small factor.

    I would say it was more a question of power. Multiethnic societies can get along fine if the question of political power is resolved.

    For example, parts of Spain have societies that are 50% comprised of foreigners (North Africans, South Americans, British, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, Bulgarians, Rumanians, Russians etc.) who are working, and classed as “long-term foreign residents”. They pay taxes, get healthcare and schooling and have all rights apart from a passport and the right to vote. They live in more or less separate communities with little integration, but get along OK with few problems.

    The key point seems to be that they don’t have political power (nationality or the vote) and don’t care about it, if they can work and send money back to their respective countries + get the schooling and healthcare. They accept that Spain is Spanish.

    What friction there is, comes from wage competition (pushing wages down), but Spanish employers are the first to contract cheap immigrant labour (in for example in catering and construction), and they control the politics.

  61. The reason why Silicon Valley does what is does has nothing to do with some analysis of what they believe are lies and facts. It has more to do with their placating their workforce which is predominantly college brainwashed and woke. Like in the Damore case, the employees threatened a temper tantrum and the execs had to give in. The company is held hostage by the beliefs of the workforce just the opposite of the days of manufacturing being king where the execs fired you for being too extreme in your leftist views.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    The reason why Silicon Valley does what is does has nothing to do with some analysis of what they believe are lies and facts. It has more to do with their placating their workforce which is predominantly college brainwashed and woke.
     
    That's an interesting point, and I think it has some element of truth, especially on certain types of PC issues.

    But senior execs are obviously more willing to go along with the opinions of their workforce if they almost entirely agree with them privately.
    , @dfordoom

    The company is held hostage by the beliefs of the workforce just the opposite of the days of manufacturing being king where the execs fired you for being too extreme in your leftist views.
     
    LOL. You'd still get fired if you tried expressing actual leftist views. Try working at one of these tech companies and suggesting that the tech monopolies should be broken up, that the banks should be nationalised, that the means of production should be in the hands of the proletariat. They'd fire you in about three nanoseconds.

    But there's no danger of that because neither the execs nor the employees in Silicon Valley hold left-wing views.

    Hint: believing in homosexual marriage does not make you a leftist.
  62. Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Thanks for alerting me. I think the problem's now fixed.
  63. But the problem that all of you face is that when people in Silicon Valley look around themselves, what they see reasonably matches the claims of the MSM

    That’s because the (((MSM))) is not honest and most MSM types live in gated communities far away from the black and brown hellscapes they think are so good for non-elite whites. That’s because liberalism is easy to believe the less contact with reality one has. Silicon Valley is just a bubble. And because of it’s vast wealth, is an outlier and not reflective of most parts of America that has been forcibly diversified against their wishes.

    while if they ever visit Breitbart, let alone any of your own Alt-Right websites, you mostly come across like a bunch of total lunatics.

    Each side has their “lunatics” but if the luminaries of Silicon valley ever visited HuffPo, Daily Kos or even watched MSNBC the left would come across like a bunch of totally unhinged lunatics to any reasonable person. That they come to that conclusion only about our side means their worldview trends leftist and they were already biased against our message.

    If Silicon Valley types think (((Tim Wise))), (((Rachel Maddow))), Morning Joe, and Don Lemon are the voices of truth and sanity then there’s little we can do to change their minds. Oriental Sarah Jeong said horrible things about white people yet she still has her Twitter account.

    In some ways Ron’s comments are a justication of Silicon Valley’s war against right of center political dissent with pro-white overtones, or wrong thinking. This is very disappointing.

    That we are witnessing an unprecedented intolerance for certain political creeds and viewpoints by the tech monopolies, usually under Jewish pressure, and tacitly supported by the federal government by their inaction and silence is the real issue.

    The other issue is that we are two nations, perhaps more, and we can’t relate to each other or don’t talk each other’s language anymore. Silicon Valley looks at mostly white, flyover America not as fellow Americans, but as the great unwashed and a serious problem to be dealt with.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    Tim Wise is not a Jew. I know he's lied about it, but he's not. Besides, what doesn't he lie about?

    Aside from that and your mistaken belief that the Juden unser Unglück sind, your comment was excellent.
    , @Stonehands
    “In some ways Ron’s comments are a justication of Silicon Valley’s war against right of center political dissent with pro-white overtones, or wrong thinking. This is very disappointing...”

    Man, hard to believe. Our guy Ron is living in cloud cuckoo land just like the rest of his brethren.

    Here’s a case against IQ- which Unz has plenty of; but the lack of red- bloodedness- after all the heart informs the brain-in spite of the intellect in this case.
  64. @Tyrion 2
    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?

    Thanks for alerting me. I think the problem’s now fixed.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    You're welcome. Can you now let me know what sort of joke this letter is given your previous articles? Really, I'm confused.
  65. @Colin Wright
    Substantially, I agree with most of what you say. The issue is what to do about it.

    More or less at random, the following thoughts come to mind.

    First, those of us who engage in thought crime of whatever form need an alternative web that is at least more difficult to shut down. As long as we're at the mercy of mainstream censors, we'll never get anywhere.

    Meantime, the issue is whether to appease or outrage. This always poses a quandary; I see it a lot in my own area of especial concern: Israel. Do you carefully assure everyone you agree Israel has a right to exist, dutifully decry 'terrorism,' avoid ever referring to 'Jews,' etc -- and work yourself into a position of total impotence?

    Or do you rage about the disproportionate power, influence, and privilege of Jews, denounce Israel as essentially a Nazi state, argue that any measures against it are justified, and so on -- and find yourself off in a corner with twelve other 'anti-semites', banned by all?

    This is a general problem. To take the path of moderation, and remain 'legitimate' at the risk if becoming innocuous -- or call a spade a spade at the risk of being completely marginalized?

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren't.

    Well, speaking for myself, they're free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I'm concerned, it's like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don't share. Have at it, though. It's like golf. Of no interest to me, but don't let me spoil your fun.

    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor -- but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he'll move hastily on.

    It's like Obama birtherism, or 9/11 having all been staged, or any one of several such beliefs. It's an immediate red flag that triggers a 'shake your head and move on' response from most people.

    Again, I'm not sure what to do about that. There's little point in decrying mainstream censorship if we're just going to muzzle ourselves. On the other hand...

    Well, that's about it for now. Unz's points are thought-provoking.

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn’t a belief – it’s the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn’t exist until you disprove his existence; it’s the other way around. You’re actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    The Shoah goes in the “faith in Jesus” and “belief in Kennedy assassination plot” column, not in the column with skepticism and agnosticism. You’ve got witch-hunters in your camp, sharing your beliefs, lol. The Shoah correlates even more closely with religion when you consider how it’s enforced by law throughout Europe, the way Christianity was, centuries ago, or the way Islam is in many places today.

    What you’ve done in grouping agnosticism with Shoah-belief is to create status-quo and non-status-quo columns, or conformist and non-conformist columns, and then label them “rational” and “irrational,” which is just really shit-tier, for reasons that I hope are now obvious.

    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

    It’s the sort of high-risk, high-reward strategy that a minority of Jews have been pursuing for centuries, if not eons. If the roles were reversed, there’d be a vocal minority of Jews deconstructing the goyische Shoah narrative. Jews have never been as worried about being marginalized as they are about delineating the margins.

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?

    Yep.

    How ’bout we limit anons to 1 comment per ever?

    • Agree: chris
    • Replies: @anon

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn’t a belief – it’s the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn’t exist until you disprove his existence; it’s the other way around. You’re actually the one with the faith-based belief.
     
    DENIER!! DENIER!!
    , @jack daniels
    You've hit the nail on the head. It's extremely common to equivocate between rational/irrational and status quo/ non-status-quo or conformist/non-conformist.

    I think David Irving has established by now that the Nazis did indeed kill millions of Jews, but I don't know what the status of the gas-chamber argument is, nor do I know the status of the claim that the Soviet communists had earlier killed millions other than via the famine.
    , @mark green
    Excellent points, Svigor.

    In argumentation, the 'burden of proof' lies with those making the claim. Well said!
    , @Colin Wright
    'Lol. This is a really bad comparison...'

    Have it your way, then. Holocaust Denial is the rational, demonstrably true belief and belief in the reality of the Holocaust is logically indefensible.

    You're magnificently missing the point. My point was:

    '...The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with...'

    ...and that is indubitably true. Think of it as akin to arguing for a New World with huge temples in 800 AD. You'd be right -- but at the same time, you wouldn't exactly be convincing people of your sanity.

    You gotta think about what you're in this for. Are you trying to demonstrate your wisdom and intellectual integrity to yourself -- or do you want to change people's minds about the issues that matter right now?

    , @apollonian
    [You have already been told that bizarre use of unorthodox grammar or spelling (e.g. u, u're, urself), especially in content-free rants, will greatly reduce the likelihood of your comments being published. This is your final warning.]

    With "Colin Wright" "Alt-right (Or Anyone) Doesn't Need Enemies, Suckers

    Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.
     
    What?--first of all, it's holohoax, nothing else. And WHO would be "convinced" holohoax "happened substantially as advertised..."?--absolutely NO ONE, but a satanic liar, that's who, the purpose being to besmirch heroic German people who fought so brilliantly against Jew-Bolshevik murderers, which Jew-bolsheviki had already shown themselves as mass-murderers in Ukraine in 1932-3, before NSDAP took power and which heroic German people really were mass-exterminated by Jews, Eisenhower (who was a Jew), and their satanic suck-alongs of the West, Jew S A, and UK.

    Think about it--anyone who'd lie about holohoax, as above quote, would probably deny millions of Germans were mass-murdered, as by starvation and disease during and after WWII, according to evidence by James Bacque, deny the holodomor of Ukraine, and deny the Armenian mass-murders by the Donmeh crypto descendents of Jew messiah, Sabbatai Zevi, who'd taken control of Turkey--they'd also deny that holohoax is deliberately pushed by Jews-media and public edjumacation establishment as way of masking and justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestine--as well as everywhere else, presently, in Western world. Good gravy.

    Seriously: just ask urself what sort of psychopathic, lying filth would blithely say such thing (quoted, above)?

    But that's not the end, next we get this gem:

    plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    Isn't it OBVIOUS that there's alternative to the idiot suggestion of the quote?--that calling spade spade, and that holohoax is simply satanic lying, is really and truly simply standing up for truth and against satanic lying?

    Observe how the moron drones blithely on,

    ...but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    No sucker, only one who'd do that would be purest, most worthless COWARD, suck-along w. satanists and Jews, Jews the REAL problem, the worst enemies of all humanity, justly hated by all races and cultures, all throughout history.

    So we see Unz, the Jew, setting things up for such cowardly, craven, satanic lies, like holohoax, and gross, utter COMPROMISE for those whom Unz patronizingly pretends to want to "helping" or advising, or counseling--good grief. For with people like "Colin Wright," whose probably either Jew or homosexual (or both), no Christian or "alt-right" or any gentile of any self-respect needs enemies.

    So this is what Unz's website is all about, is it?--the compromising and subverting of the general patriot, "nationalist" movement?--by means of moronic crap like this fm "Colin Wright"?

    Comrades, if we're ANY kind of self-respecting humans, we must stand for TRUTH, the original Christian ideal (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)--and holohoax is dead give-away for the very most deadly SATANIC problem and affliction, this putrid, namby-pamby, limp-wristed sort of lying and corruption as "Colin Wright," who imagines humanity is soooo stupid as to just let it pass by--like Unz does, we see.

    Unz, u fool, don't u realize "Colin Wright" has exposed u?--compromised u?--absolutely reduced u to abject, comical, and moronic absurd? U censor an honest person like me, but u blandly publish this complete dweeb, "Colin Wright," and expect it to just get along?

    Now we get to the REAL Unz, don't we?--for what kind of person, in the first place, is willing to be known as "Jew," Unz, tell us--especially w. the OBVIOUS Talmudic connection and implications. Don't tell us u're not "religious," Unz, as this idiot "atheism" (or whatever) is well-known and classic stratagem, which atheism itself is mere religion all its own--no one can or ever has PROVEN there's no God, sucker. And yet to insist there isn't (any God) w. the sort of emotion and steadfastness atheists (almost always Jews) typically display is just an analogous kind of religious conviction and comportment.

    For if u're truly "atheist," then why would u call urself "Jew"? Isn't ur racial association quite "religious" in itself? U're willing to be known as Jew--even though so many people hate Jews?--Jews notorious objects of hatred, revulsion, fear, suspicion, question, etc.

    We gentiles and Christians have ALWAYS hated Jews, Unz--can't u finally figure that out? Christian religion is necessarily anti-semitic as Judaism and Talmud are blatant ANTI-THESIS, even in the classic Hegelian style, to Christian truth ideal. Even before the Christians, u Jews were particularly hated by gentiles, including esp. the Greeks in their rationalist tradition, who also held TRUTH as foremost ideal.

    Even if u pretend u're atheist and "not religious," fact remains u, simply as Jew, preach tolerance of those Talmudistics of ur racial/genetic relation WHO ARE "religious." So u can't get away fm the problem of ur hypocrisy, on the one hand not willing to own to the Talmud, yet pretending it's okay to be related genetically, not regretting the Talmud--because u KNOW it would be TREASON to ur people, including the religious--which repudiation u're not willing to assume. By calling urself "Jew," Unz, u repudiate humanity.

    Unz: face the hard facts, buddy: if u're Jew, u're no friend or even fellow of any gentiles or human beings. Regardless anything else, u're simply a "Trojan Horse," an "ice-breaker," as it were, for fellow Jews who ARE "religious" and Talmudic, even if it were possible u weren't--u can't deny it--not in reason or truth. Entertaining "Colin Wright" is too much of a travesty and joke.
  66. @Rational
    SOLUTION TO POLITICAL NET CENSORSHIP—STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

    Thanks for the article, Sir. I think the people who are doing the internet censoring are not ordinary silicon valley engineers—they are the bosses at the top, such as the Saudis who own twitter, the Judaists who own FAcebook and Google, who are rabidly anti-American and anti-white.

    I am disappointed that the Republicans had control of both Houses and the White house in the last 2 years, but did not pass any law banning political censorship or political discrimination on the internet.

    I think the states should now take a lead. States should pass a law banning political discrimination by internet companies and payment processors by explicit legislation or declaring them as public utilities, etc.

    Ban a website for political speech (exc violence/porno)—1 million dollar fine per day.

    Every states in the US can pass this law.

    But even if ONE state only passes such a law, this problem will be solved, as it can acquire long arm jurisdiction over the entire company in the entire US, under the full faith and credit clause. People will flock to that state to sue Twitter, Paypal, Google, Facebook for banning them.

    … they are the bosses at the top, such as the Saudis who own twitter…

    Not quite.

    Excerpt from This Saudi prince now owns more of Twitter than Jack Dorsey does:

    [MORE]

    A Saudi prince has increased his holdings in Twitter, making him the company’s second largest shareholder.

    Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud, who in 2011 invested $300 million in the social network, now owns 34.9 million shares of Twitter’s common stock, according to a new regulatory filing (pdf).

    At nearly 5.2%, his stake in the company is now larger than that of Jack Dorsey, Twitter’s co-founder and newly re-minted CEO, whose 21.86 million shares give him 3.2% of the company, according to FactSet. (The prince previously had a stake of roughly 3%.)

    Twitter co-founder Ev Williams remains the company’s largest shareholder, with 46.56 million shares for a 6.9% stake.

    The investment might seem like a major stamp of approval for Dorsey, who was named Twitter’s permanent CEO on Oct. 5 and is tasked with turning around the company. (The prince’s updated holdings are as of Oct. 6.) But during Twitter’s CEO search, the billionaire prince was vocal about his opinion that Twitter needed a new CEO—i.e. someone other than Dorsey, who at the time was in the role on an interim basis.

    Alwaleed, who serves as majority owner and chairman of the Kingdom Holding Company, is also a significant investor in News Corp, Citigroup, and the Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts.
    https://qz.com/519388/this-saudi-prince-now-owns-more-of-twitter-than-jack-dorsey-does/

  67. I have some minor quibbles with Mr. Unz’s piece (there are indeed many Mexicans in West Virginia and their arrival coincides with the fentanyl epidemic according to a WVA woman I know) but my main point is that anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, and even anti-black rhetoric is a “sublimation” of resentment of changes in society that are mostly the doing of Jews. Since it is too dangerous to criticize Jews there is a tendency to blame Muslims or other less powerful minorities e.g. only an already marginal commentator will raise the issue of a Jew complaining about a Christmas display but it’s acceptable to make a fuss about the rare Muslim who complains. After this habit gets ingrained people start to think that it really IS Muslims or Hindus who are responsible for ending the Christmas concert or banning CS Lewis books when it’s nearly always Jews.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    I have some minor quibbles with Mr. Unz’s piece (there are indeed many Mexicans in West Virginia
     
    Well, I'll admit I was being a little rhetorical. But according to the Census, West Virginia is only 1.6% Hispanic and California is almost 40%, meaning we have about 500x as many. So I do think it's just a small exaggeration to say that most people in WV have "almost no contact" with Mexicans.

    but my main point is that anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, and even anti-black rhetoric is a “sublimation” of resentment of changes in society that are mostly the doing of Jews. Since it is too dangerous to criticize Jews there is a tendency to blame Muslims or other less powerful minorities e.g. only an already marginal commentator will raise the issue of a Jew complaining about a Christmas display but it’s acceptable to make a fuss about the rare Muslim who complains. After this habit gets ingrained people start to think that it really IS Muslims or Hindus who are responsible for ending the Christmas concert or banning CS Lewis books when it’s nearly always Jews.
     
    LOL!! I'd never realized that the Foxtards had now started blaming Muslims for America's 50-year "War on Christianity," but I guess I shouldn't be surprised and your social analysis is exactly correct.

    One of the really amusing aspects is that Muslims actually consider Jesus as the Holy Prophet of God and Muhammed's immediate predecessor, and regard insults against him as the worst form of blaspheme, which Islamic Fundamentalists would probably punish by death. Muslims even accept the Virgin Birth. Meanwhile, Jews regard Jesus as about the vilest man who ever lived, condemned to spend eternity suffering in a boiling vat of excrement.

    Another similar example of this "sublimation" even more relevant to this thread is the ridiculous way most rightwingers discuss crime. Based on all available evidence, Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age, while black crime rates are so horrifically high they almost entirely determine the overall crime rates of any American city or locality (see my other comment upthread).

    But since discussing black crime is "racist" and will get you banned from the media, nearly all rightwingers are too scared to touch it with a ten-foot pole and instead make up the most ridiculous sort of nonsense about Hispanic or immigrant crime. That's where all the Ann Coulter/Donald Trump nonsense about "killers and rapists" swarming across the border comes from. Meanwhile, to prove he wasn't "racist," Trump just endorsed that bill apparently letting huge numbers of serious criminals out of American prisons.
  68. @Ron Unz

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Thanks for alerting me. I think the problem's now fixed.

    You’re welcome. Can you now let me know what sort of joke this letter is given your previous articles? Really, I’m confused.

  69. @MarkinLA
    The reason why Silicon Valley does what is does has nothing to do with some analysis of what they believe are lies and facts. It has more to do with their placating their workforce which is predominantly college brainwashed and woke. Like in the Damore case, the employees threatened a temper tantrum and the execs had to give in. The company is held hostage by the beliefs of the workforce just the opposite of the days of manufacturing being king where the execs fired you for being too extreme in your leftist views.

    The reason why Silicon Valley does what is does has nothing to do with some analysis of what they believe are lies and facts. It has more to do with their placating their workforce which is predominantly college brainwashed and woke.

    That’s an interesting point, and I think it has some element of truth, especially on certain types of PC issues.

    But senior execs are obviously more willing to go along with the opinions of their workforce if they almost entirely agree with them privately.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    I have an enormous amount of respect for Ron Unz, but on this issue you are just plain worng.

    New York State keeps detailed crime statistics broken down by race, except for ht efac they lump in Arabs, Indians, and the rest of the lighter skinned browns as "white people". And yet still the most recent statitics read as below.

    QUOTE : The race/ethnicity of known Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects mirrors the victim population with Black (61.7%) and Hispanic (27.0%) suspects accounting for the majority of suspects. White suspects account for (7.7%) of all Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects........

    Rape suspects are most frequently Black (49.5%) or Hispanic (33.4%). White suspects account for (11.2%) of all Rape suspects...........

    The race/ethnicity of known Robbery suspects is primarily Black (67.0%). Hispanic suspects account for an additional (26.5%) of the suspect population. White suspects account for (4.4%) of all Robbery suspects........

    The race/ethnicity of known Shooting suspects is most frequently Black (74.7%). Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional (22.2%) of all suspects. White suspects (2.1%) and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.8%) accounted for the remaining portion of known Shooting suspects........... END QUOTE

    Source : New York Crime and Enforcement Activity, 2017.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2017-enforcement-report.pdf

    And it is not merely crime that is the problem. In my country, Canada, the place has been completely ruined by the invasion of the turd world. White people can no longer afford homes in the cities they created. Crime, pollution, housing costs, fuel , and every single indicator of a reduced quality of life has gone off the charts for every white Canadian.

    If you want to call me an "alt-right" I suppose I wouldn't object. But no sane human should stand by while his racial group is holocausted. And I mean a real holocaust, not the fake one we all acknowledge was created out of whole cloth.
    , @Shawn Returns
    The *primary* problem is that Silicon Valley companies are slaves to the media and other pressure groups that target their advertisers/companies they sell their product or services to--basically, *outside* money that works to damage business interests if they do not toe the line.
  70. @Ron Unz

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?
     
    Well, it all depends. Since California's current population is around 40 million and probably not much above 30% white European these days, I'd say it constitutes a pretty reasonable test-case.

    Now I was born in CA and have lived here nearly all of my life, so I think I have a pretty solid sense of things. I'd strongly argue that over the last fifty years some things have gotten better and some things have gotten worse, in complicated ways.

    I'd say that most of the things that have gotten better have been due to broader trends such as technological advances, with computers and the Internet being among the most important. Obviously, those same things have gotten better everywhere else in the US and the entire world. Another positive development has been the elimination of the smog that had been such a huge problem in the LA of the 1960s. Health care has gotten better for the same reason, but also much more ridiculously expensive, so it's a mixed bag, the same as everywhere else in the US.

    But if we're looking as changes/trends that are different in CA than in the rest of the US, I'd say that most things have gotten worse, especially quality of life. Traffic is certainly much worse and housing is ridiculously expensive, with the former problem substantially due to the latter, as a large fraction of the state's population has been pushed out into more distant and less desirable areas to live. These are universally recognized as two of the state's biggest problems, and extreme housing costs have also led to very high (adjusted) poverty rates, another huge problem. All of this is pretty much what you'd expect to happen as the CA population doubled from 20M to 40M on the same land area. Some of these problems are especially severe in the Silicon Valley areas.

    For example, here's a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America:

    https://game-leaks.com/shadow-of-homelessness-hangs-over-bay-area-students/

    Now immigration has obviously been a very large factor behind the doubling of the CA population, and since the latter has caused such a considerable decline in quality of life, it's perfectly reasonable to blame immigration for many of those problems. Basically, if you pack too many people inside a nice bus, it gets to be a serious problem.

    But I just don't see any evidence that the particular non-white racial skew of all those immigrants has been a major problem, at least over the last 15-20 years.

    Here's an absolutely crucial point that summarizes much of my position on that issue. During the late 1960s/early 1970s, California was about 80% white European and these days it's down to little more than 30%. Yet the degree of racially-tinged political conflict or violence back then was ***MASSIVELY*** greater than today. Indeed, I'd put it pretty close to zero in recent years. In fact, I'd say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here. That's simply a fact and you'd have a very hard time persuading sensible people who grew up here otherwise. (Pretty much the same is true for the huge decline in crime rates across most of the state.)

    Now I'd certainly agree that US immigration has been much too high in the last decade or two and should be substantially reduced, which would help alleviate all sorts of important problems.

    But based on the major California example, arguing for such reduction on racial grounds seems about the weakest possible argument to make. Since that's pretty obviously the underlying concern propelling so much of the agitated anti-immigration activists, perhaps that fact helps explain why they've had such total lack of success for decades.

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being "killers and rapists" just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    In 2018, the CA electorate was still 63% white, but the Trump/Republican immigration arguments didn't do very well here. The Republicans lost half their remaining Congressional seats and are now down to just 7(!) out of 55, while the Democrats gained 3/4ths(!) majorities in both houses of the State Legislature. So the views of the top Silicon Valley people aren't really all that totally different from the views of average CA whites.

    Suppose someone on the Internet was arguing that heavy immigration was causing all sorts of problems and should be reduced. Lots of people might say "Hmmm... Why do you think so?" But if the answer came back "Because lots of immigrants are actually werewolves and vampires!!!" I really doubt the fellow would have much success...

    Ron Unz—Thank you very much indeed for replying. I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life. I spent a few days in America many moons ago, visiting Seattle and Oregon, so I have no personal knowledge of present-day America.

    I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population. In England, to the best of my knowledge, whites have always simply fled as non-whites have moved in, skipping the violent phase. What will happen when the English have nowhere left to flee to, time will tell.

    From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine. I suppose what I was really hinting at, though, are the long-term prospects for America remaining perfectly fine when it becomes a majority Third World territory, given that, to date, only Europeans have been able to build the European civilizations which the rest of the world finds so attractive. Will America become Mexico with nukes?

    Heartfelt thanks for your Review, one of the last homes of genuine free speech.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life...I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population...From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine.
     
    Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks, and that was absolutely the case in the high racially-charged California violence of the late 1960s/early 1970s.

    These days, a pretty remarkable fraction of all the adult black males in CA are already in prison, already dead from past violence or drug use, or sometimes pushed out to other states with lower housing costs. That's been a huge factor behind the decline.

    Furthermore, since a large fraction of state's electorate is Hispanic or Asian, they're much less cowed by MSM denunciations if they support local crackdowns on the black criminals who remain around.

    Also, the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn't be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white. So there's only been a small decline in white numbers. It's just that the Hispanic and Asian numbers have grown so rapidly.
  71. The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
    Now that they have aroused people to the immigration issue and the anti white men agenda they need to soft pedal the race aspects and turn to arguments that will increase their numbers….bring in people who would otherwise not want be known as alt right.
    There are other hot buttons they need to add that will install some fear about uncheck immigration than just brown and black hordes.

    by way deception as they say

    • Replies: @Miro23

    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
     
    Maybe they should make it easier.

    Working on the principle that's it's best to rectify a mistake as soon as it's identified, the Hart-Celler Immigration and Naturalization Act (1965) is now acknowledged as a failure. At the time it was claimed that it wouldn't alter the demographic mix of the United States - but it did.

    Rectification would involve annulling it, with revised citizenship being based on being a citizen in 1965 or being the direct descendent of a person who was a citizen in 1965.

    Citizenship (and voting rights) would then more or less revert to the mix in 1965, with non-qualifying current citizens having their status changed to "long term resident" without voting rights - but all their other rights untouched as long as they paid taxes.

    It's an open question which political figure would have the power to introduce the legislation, but they would need to be quick, and dive into the nearest bunker to handle the massive Liberal/ Globalist/ SJW/ Jewish incoming.
    , @MarkinLA
    People always say this but never with an example of what should be done and any thought as to how it would work. We can't say that Hispanics don't succeed academically because somebody will trot out Jaime Escalante and his (mostly exaggerated) success. Besides if we just spent more of whitey's money on another program, that should do it. Can't talk about higher welfare use because whites use the most welfare (even if their rate of use is lower). Can't talk about affirmative action for people who just hopped the fence (white privilege and all that).

    How do you argue for less Hispanic immigration when the only thing you are allowed to say is how wonderful they are?

    Please put one thing out there that will get any response other than people sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming "racist" until you go away.

    Let's not forget that the "debate" is juvenile because that is the only debate the left will allow on the issue.

    , @dfordoom

    There are other hot buttons they need to add that will install some fear about uncheck immigration than just brown and black hordes.
     
    There are certainly much stronger arguments against immigration that the racial ones.

    But the alt-right really needs to address other issues besides immigration. What is the point in "saving" our society from those black and brown hordes if we have a society that is so decadent and so degenerate that it's not worth saving?

    And if the alt-right ever wants to gain significant support it might be a good idea to address economic issues. Trump won in 2016 by giving the appearance that on economic issues he was well to the left of Hillary Clinton. Economic populism with a left-wing tinge wins actual votes.
    , @Anon
    >"they need to soft pedal the race aspects and turn to arguments that will increase their numbers"

    Yes, yes! 'Cuz soft-pedaling is how Jeb got to be prez and not balls-to-the-wall Trump.

    Right?
  72. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:

    Therefore, when the MSM recently claimed that you were all a bunch of violent, murderous madmen, they stampeded the Silicon Valley people into deciding to help shut all of you down as a public service to America.

    that’s not it Ron. All these people know damn well what they’re doing – from Zuckerberg at Facebook to Jack whats his name at Twitter to Brin and Page at Google. They’re engaged in partisan censorship, deplatforming, and pushing their fake news and biased spin on reality, to the detriment of all. They’re not innocent.

  73. @llloyd
    Glad you said it. It's the colour problem. In black communities that were or are not exposed to images of violence and rap music, violent crime is a rarity. The two together are a trigger to violent random events, usually not the slightest political. Sharia law threat to the West is a nonsense. Might even be a good thing if the Western world adopted Islam. Bill Cosby said, the best behaved black community in America were the black Moslems. Pity he wasn't one himself.

    “In black communities that were or are not exposed to images of violence and rap music, violent crime is a rarity.”

    No such black communities exist, and rap music does not cause black violent crime, but is the expression of black violence.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Southie Mossback
    Bill Cosby has been alleged to have provided funds for the defense of the Zebra killers. And the idea of “safe” Black Moslem areas is the most deluded cuck sentence I’ve ever read. Is this person unaware of The Zebra Killers, Beltway Snipers, Yahweh Ben Yahweh, etc? And their internecine battles like Malcolm X being killed,the DC massacre of 1/73 and resultant Hanafi Siege of DC in 3/77? Wow. Peaceful Black Muslims like George Jackson?
  74. I will make a second criticism of Mr. Unz’s piece: Alt Right websites or youtube videos do display lots of “over the top” comments but when analyzing the significance of this one needs to remember the 1960s (perhaps Mr. Unz is too young.) In the late 60s it was very common for young people to join or defend explicitly Communist parties, call police “pigs”, refer to government officials and establishment commentators as “Fascist pigs”, and speak openly about the need for violent revolution in the United States. Some popular chants of the day included “Off the pigs” (“off” = “kill”), “2 4 6 8 organize and smash the state”, “the only direction is insurrection, the only solution is revolution”, “Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh, Dare to struggle, dare to win!” and various sayings of Mao Zedong (e.g. “power grows out of the barrel of a gun”) and Che Guevara. Being outrageous/ trolling is a declaration of defiance that, according to Saul Alinsky, is more important and effective than reasoned argument. What you see on Alt Right websites doesn’t always brand the author as a “lunatic” but merely a rebel, intent on breaking taboos and outraging the establishmentarian. What is striking is how much self-censorship is required from the rightists compared to what their parents’ generation got away with. It shouldn’t take great subtlety to see this, which undermines the claim that Silicon Valley executives are reacting naturally and reasonably to what they see. Having said that, I admit that a lot of people on the Alt Right are nuts or worse, as were a lot of sixties radicals.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @propagandist hacker
    american white males are too intimidated by the police state and potential imprisonment and prison rape to be really revolutionary ...french white males are not as cowardly...see e.g., the recent yellow vest riots where french white males rolled out mock guillotines, effectively telling their elites 'obey or die'...americans are so bound down by fear of the legal system, they are powerless...they even fear to subvert the race preferences system by claiming nonwhite ancestry, something they could do without fear of reprisals....but they are like domesticated livestock...

    me, I say that elites must hang from ropes...it is not illegal to say that ....in order to be illegal it must be specific and imminent...and that is not the case here...

    I agree that many modern revolutionaries are not near the center of the bell curve with respect to mental hygiene...so what? They have less to lose and they have suffered many frustrations....so therefore are more likely to rebel...
    , @gT
    In Ireland, there seems to have been 2 or more kinds of IRA (Irish Republican Army) freedom fighters / terrorists. The one was the genuine kind created to free all of Ireland of British rule and the other kind was created by the British themselves to draw support from the original organization and so nullify the actual threat; to subdue, subvert, confuse, divide and rule so to speak. It really seemed like there were SAS missions in support of all the different IRA's at different times, very confusing.

    So now you have the right wing and the alt-right. The alt-right was created by the powers that be to draw support from the right wing proper, to subdue, subvert, confuse, divide and rule all those who might lean to the right wing proper. So its the alt-right's job to sprout some right wing proper views every now and then, but its also their job to come across as being nuts and over the top, like clowns, very entertaining, very distracting, so that no-one will take any traditional right wing viewpoint seriously.

    So the alt-right is just counter revolutionary tactics.
  75. @Svigor

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.
     

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn't a belief - it's the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn't exist until you disprove his existence; it's the other way around. You're actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    The Shoah goes in the "faith in Jesus" and "belief in Kennedy assassination plot" column, not in the column with skepticism and agnosticism. You've got witch-hunters in your camp, sharing your beliefs, lol. The Shoah correlates even more closely with religion when you consider how it's enforced by law throughout Europe, the way Christianity was, centuries ago, or the way Islam is in many places today.

    What you've done in grouping agnosticism with Shoah-belief is to create status-quo and non-status-quo columns, or conformist and non-conformist columns, and then label them "rational" and "irrational," which is just really shit-tier, for reasons that I hope are now obvious.


    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.
     
    It's the sort of high-risk, high-reward strategy that a minority of Jews have been pursuing for centuries, if not eons. If the roles were reversed, there'd be a vocal minority of Jews deconstructing the goyische Shoah narrative. Jews have never been as worried about being marginalized as they are about delineating the margins.

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Yep.

    How 'bout we limit anons to 1 comment per ever?

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn’t a belief – it’s the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn’t exist until you disprove his existence; it’s the other way around. You’re actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    DENIER!! DENIER!!

  76. So now one can’t make an Agree and a comment within the same hour? That’s pretty draconian.

  77. @Svigor

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.
     

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn't a belief - it's the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn't exist until you disprove his existence; it's the other way around. You're actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    The Shoah goes in the "faith in Jesus" and "belief in Kennedy assassination plot" column, not in the column with skepticism and agnosticism. You've got witch-hunters in your camp, sharing your beliefs, lol. The Shoah correlates even more closely with religion when you consider how it's enforced by law throughout Europe, the way Christianity was, centuries ago, or the way Islam is in many places today.

    What you've done in grouping agnosticism with Shoah-belief is to create status-quo and non-status-quo columns, or conformist and non-conformist columns, and then label them "rational" and "irrational," which is just really shit-tier, for reasons that I hope are now obvious.


    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.
     
    It's the sort of high-risk, high-reward strategy that a minority of Jews have been pursuing for centuries, if not eons. If the roles were reversed, there'd be a vocal minority of Jews deconstructing the goyische Shoah narrative. Jews have never been as worried about being marginalized as they are about delineating the margins.

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Yep.

    How 'bout we limit anons to 1 comment per ever?

    You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s extremely common to equivocate between rational/irrational and status quo/ non-status-quo or conformist/non-conformist.

    I think David Irving has established by now that the Nazis did indeed kill millions of Jews, but I don’t know what the status of the gas-chamber argument is, nor do I know the status of the claim that the Soviet communists had earlier killed millions other than via the famine.

    • Replies: @L.K

    I think David Irving has established by now that the Nazis did indeed kill millions of Jews
     
    He has NOT. Irving is not even a specialist on this matter, none of his many books being about the holohoax.
  78. @Frederick V. Reed
    Indeed. It is not just in Silicon Vallley that Hispanic crime is disappointingly low. I make a point of asking about race relations with Latins everywhere I go, and ask friends in other places. DC, New York, Chicago{{Berwyn and Pilsen, for example--San Antonio, Houston, on and on. Nobody reports Breitbartian problems. Black crime, yes. My impression is that most of the alarmed, to include leaders of th Alt Right, have little or no experience of Latin America or Latinos.

    Per Hispanic crime rates, we are told people are fleeing Honduras because of high-crime rates. The US State Department warns:

    “Since 2010, Honduras has had one of the highest murder rates in the world. Credit card skimming is common. Many people report receiving threatening phone calls or extortion attempts, especially during Christmas and Easter holidays. Gangs are not reluctant to use violence and specialize in murder-for-hire, carjacking, extortion, and other violent street crime. They are also known to control some of the taxi services. Violent transnational criminal organizations also conduct narcotics trafficking and other illicit commerce.”

    https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23798

    So who thinks crossing the US border makes them all saints? Wanted criminals are wise to head north to cross the US border. Those released from prison have records and face police harassment and employment problems, so heading north also makes sense. Any immigrant who arrives penniless will steal what they can to survive. That’s why a focus on Hispanic crime rates is misleading. Stats on impoverished illegal immigrant crimes rates of any race would be shocking, but are not publicized for that reason.

    If you want a graphic display of Hispanic crime, just look at the current LAPD most wanted list to learn why whites fear Hispanic crime.

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    As President Trump noted, illegal immigrants are not the best from Latin American nations, but the worst, the unwanted. Latin American nations have shipped their unwanteds to the USA for decades. Our media ignored the recent “caravans” from Central America arrived at the USA on chartered buses, paid for by Mexicans. They are furious that North Americans want this dumping stopped. So is Mr. Reed, who doesn’t want these surplus people filling the streets in his nice Mexican retirement town where he lives like king off his monthly government checks from the USA.

    • Replies: @anon

    If you want a graphic display of Hispanic crime, just look at the current LAPD most wanted list to learn why whites fear Hispanic crime.

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted
     
    Awesome. Now Unz can shut up about Hispanics being wrongly blamed for crimes.
    , @Patricus
    Thank you Carlton Meyer! Finally, a sensible comment on the variety of violent crime rates in the Americas. 5 murders per 100,000 in the US; 85 per 100K in El Salvador (it has been over 100); in other south of the border nations the rates vary from low 20s to 60s. God must work in mysterious ways when the unvetted migrants come across the border illegally yet become immediately more peaceful and law abiding than native whites. Another way to look at this question: never believe statements based on statistics even when compiled by apparently rational people like Ron Unz. If you feel the need to delude yourself just start playing with statistics.
  79. @Miro23
    The issue is what to do about it.

    It's a really difficult question, but probably any positive change is going to start locally, and deal with individuals. When US society starts to sort itself out (organize itself at county level?) it can embark on creating ground-up political systems that serve the public rather than the plutocracy.

    It's still a complicated procedure. In the military, when dealing with hopeless disintegrating units, at least they have a chain of command and a mission. An effective leader can impose discipline, starting with a few basic things like "wear your helmet", "clean and carry your rifle at all times", "carry your ammunition right "etc. and gradually build up from there.

    Under a democracy (especially the US variety) it's a lot more difficult. Democracy is a one way street. When it works correctly it's fine, but it's open to the special interest corruption of representatives, and the fatal laziness of the public. When it fails (as the US variant more or less has) it can't be reconstructed at the national level - since Special Interests have an entirely different mission (feed themselves), and use their MSM and the administration power to form a set of interlocking plates to protect themselves and keep out outsiders.

    The possibilities I see are 1) a local, low level political movement, as far away from Washington as possible, taking back local affairs (and taxation) i.e. a US Federation, or 2) a military coup run by US nationalists that shuts down New York, DC and Hollywood or 3) a shooting civil war or 4) a world (nuclear) war.

    1) Would clearly be preferable, but who would provide the leadership? And while they organize, can they simultaneously face off Washington? What kind of local organization would shake individual Americans out of their stupor and get them to be politically active and change their lives?

    2) Unlikely, since the top military are thoroughly vetted and integrated into the Empire. Also, should it happen, the US would receive a new and unpredictable dictatorial elite for Special Interests to get to work on.

    3) Quite possible since the US is loaded with firearms, and the armed forces would probably show split loyalties (be reluctant to destroy American cities). At the end of it, the US would lie in ruins.

    4) More likely than it appears since the US is being highly provocative towards Russia, and backing them into a corner with regard to nuclear treaties, placement of short range nuclear weapons etc. (now also starting with China). This wouldn't take more than a few days and would be TEOWAKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) given the power of modern nuclear weapons. The US could end up a depopulated and irrelevant wasteland.

    Of course there is still the last (and most likely), "do nothing" option, whereby the US continues its slide into a Zio-Glob dictatorship of the traditional kind with a controlled population, censorship, secret police, detention camps, across the board SJW indoctrination, media propaganda and an elite Nomenklatura.

    Given the inertia (perhaps we should spell it as INERTIA to differentiate it from the Newtonian variety) that underpins human societies, your conclusion stated in the last para of your post is what I would bet my money on. But I’d up my bet size if the order of occurrences was framed differently, proceeding from the most likely to the least likely. That order I see as being: media propaganda and an elite Nomenklatura (aren’t we almost already there?); across the board SJW indoctrination (we are heading there at supersonic speed); secret police (this one too has been showing itself more and more); censorship (exactly what political correctness is all about); detention camps (not very likely because unnecessary if the preceding have succeeded); slide into Zio-Glob dictatorship (not likely because who needs ugly dictatorships when you can dispense Soma to calm the unwashed masses). Furthermore, SJW indoctrination, media propaganda, and an addiction to Soma (in the shape of TV, professional games, etc.) makes it very likely that DO NOTHING is what will come to pass.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Pretty much.

    Just a little addition:
    Detention camps: true, but plenty of other forms of physical control, from wearing a device, through home detention and short term country jail(s) to "proper" prisons.And, there will definitely be hard life term incarceration (think that guy in Norway or Hanssen) , even death penalty here and there, for those really stepping out of line.
  80. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues – Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today … all 3 websites have troves of valuable, often unique articles, revealing genuine truth about all sorts of scandals and crimes And on all 3 sites, these articles are right next to pieces about space aliens from other planets amongst us, shape-shifting lizards etc This is by design and on purpose
     
    It seems that way. I call them sites with built-in strawmen.

    The typical blogger is usually begging for money and hence probably pretty easy to influence, but some of the fancier high-traffic sites, including some of the ones you mentioned, look like carefully designed psy-ops.

    >For example, look at some of the internet-popular alternative websites which generate a huuge amount of revenues – Jeff Rense, David Icke, Veterans Today

    It seems that way. I call them sites with built-in strawmen.

    The typical blogger is usually begging for money and hence probably pretty easy to influence, but some of the fancier high-traffic sites, including some of the ones you mentioned, look like carefully designed psy-ops.

    the day after Trump announced he will remove the troops from Syria, Rense had Gordon Duff on from VT and both seemed to be against it, acting like Trump was crazy and Duff even advocated for removing Trump under the 25th Amendment and replacing him with “the respected” Al Gore, lol

  81. My work brings me into contact with a lot of Latinos, many illegal I suspect. They seem perfectly nice and don’t make me nervous. I do find myself nervous around some of the blacks, though in general they seem more pleasant than blacks of 50 years ago. White liberals must accept a good part of the blame for black anger, which they incent in many ways.
    It’s not surprising that Latinos vote Democrat, given their economic status. As a social conservative I wish we had a populist party that was socially conservative, libertarian on speech, and economically friendly to the working class.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    The point is they're foreign people who vote against the interests of the host population, which is proof positive that the entire stack of rhetoric and propaganda this all was sold on was lies. No one voted to bring these people in or consented to bringing them in, yet those worst affected receive no sympathy. Deaths from despair, literally the biggest ongoing genocides in history if this continues. No political representation whatsoever, either.

    When I think of white liberals you talk of but the hyperatomized libertarian LARP crowd really aren't much different from, I think I can understand things like public executions and cheering crowds in the not-so-distant past for crimes of treason. No sense of the past, present or future. No solidarity with your own kind. No real investment in the future. Purely treasonous and mercenary. Whatever gets you the most money in the here and now, future costs be damned.
    , @dfordoom

    As a social conservative I wish we had a populist party that was socially conservative, libertarian on speech, and economically friendly to the working class.
     
    There was a time when most Anglophone countries had such parties. Certainly in Australia up to the late 60s the Labor Party was generally like that. In fact up to the 50s the Australian Labor Party was very Catholic and very socially conservative.

    Such parties did exist in the past and there's no reason they couldn't exist today. In fact being left on economic issues and being conservative on social issues is a natural fit - the destruction of the family has been a catastrophe for the working class, as has the rising tide of drugs and sexual degeneracy. Old School leftists were very well aware of that danger.
  82. @Johnny Rottenborough
    Ron Unz—Thank you very much indeed for replying. I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life. I spent a few days in America many moons ago, visiting Seattle and Oregon, so I have no personal knowledge of present-day America.

    I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population. In England, to the best of my knowledge, whites have always simply fled as non-whites have moved in, skipping the violent phase. What will happen when the English have nowhere left to flee to, time will tell.

    From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine. I suppose what I was really hinting at, though, are the long-term prospects for America remaining perfectly fine when it becomes a majority Third World territory, given that, to date, only Europeans have been able to build the European civilizations which the rest of the world finds so attractive. Will America become Mexico with nukes?

    Heartfelt thanks for your Review, one of the last homes of genuine free speech.

    I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life…I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population…From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine.

    Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks, and that was absolutely the case in the high racially-charged California violence of the late 1960s/early 1970s.

    These days, a pretty remarkable fraction of all the adult black males in CA are already in prison, already dead from past violence or drug use, or sometimes pushed out to other states with lower housing costs. That’s been a huge factor behind the decline.

    Furthermore, since a large fraction of state’s electorate is Hispanic or Asian, they’re much less cowed by MSM denunciations if they support local crackdowns on the black criminals who remain around.

    Also, the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn’t be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white. So there’s only been a small decline in white numbers. It’s just that the Hispanic and Asian numbers have grown so rapidly.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rottenborough
    Ron Unz—Thank you for the clarification, I thought you meant black-white violence. Black crime is at a similar level in England. This newspaper report was published in 2010:

    ‘The reality of violent inner-city crime is indicated today by statistics obtained by The Sunday Telegraph.

    The official figures, which examine the ethnicity of those accused of violent offences in London, suggest the majority of men held responsible by police for gun crimes, robberies and street crimes are black. Black men are also disproportionately the victims of violent crime in the capital. The statistics, released by the Metropolitan Police, permit an informed debate on a sensitive subject for the first time.

    The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10. They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property.

    Just over 12 per cent of London’s 7·5 million population is black, including those of mixed black and white parentage, while 69 per cent is white, according to the Office for National Statistics.’
    , @David Baker
    Dear Mr. Unz,

    Like a true racist, you publish statistics to bolster an argument that brown people represent and advance a specific political ideology. You folks reading this material should realize by now that our government tailors their socialist campaigns to appeal to minority segments, while our leaders are well aware of the impropriety and unconstitutional nature of their exploitation of blacks, Hispanics and women. Again, history bears out the effectiveness of creating political factions to advance socialism. The results are always the same. LOOK AT VENEZUELA!!!!! Read the history of Chavez and his efforts to instill the socialist mindset among his subjects (Then you can research the reason why his daughter is a billionaire.......) This is a PROCESS. But more importantly, it is historically the chosen means for tyrants to gain power.

    What was Hitler's Political Party designation? National SOCIALISTS.
    , @Colin Wright
    'Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks...'

    Meh. That's somewhat exaggerated. If we got rid of all blacks, things would be massively improved -- but they wouldn't become all sweetness and light.

    In the eighties, I taught in a high school that went from about 80% Hispanic/20% Asian to about 60% Hispanic/40% Asian over the four years I was there.

    There was a fair amount of inter-racial tension and violence including at least one shooting. Nothing like what would have gone on if blacks had been one of the groups, but it wasn't all peaceful harmony.

    In general, while I side with you in your distaste for the more virulent forms of anti-Hispanic bigotry, I think you go overboard in the opposite direction. They're not perfectly assimilable (sp?), and particularly not in the quantities that they've been arriving in.

    I'll even go so far as to speculate that you tend to defend them because first, they don't threaten you personally in any way -- you'd sing a different tune if you were a carpenter! Second, they are indeed hard-working, (literally) small and non-threatening, and usually docile and respectful of (your) wealth and power. These aren't criticisms of you so much as suggestions that perhaps your attitude inevitably owes something to your position -- as is true of all of us.
    , @Hail

    the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn’t be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white.
     
    White non-Hispanics in California:
    - 1970 census: 15.2 million
    - 1990 census: 17.0 million
    - 2000 census: 15.8 million
    - 2010 census: 15.0 million
    - 2017 Census Bureau estimate: 14.6 million

    A significant population loss, near 20% by one possible measure. By 2017, California should have had 18 million Whites if its population growth were exactly in line with nationwide average White population growth of 1990 to 2017 (+5%). California is now on track for <14.5 million Whites for the 2020 census to be taken in a year and a half.

    The total USA White non-Hispanic population in 1990 was 188.1 million and 2017 is estimated at 197.3 million, a figure now also in absolute decline (national peak year: 2015 at 197.5 million).

    Fixing each at 1990=100:

    USA, White population (absolute)
    1990: 100
    2017: 105

    California White population (absolute)
    1990: 100
    2017: 86

    This significant population loss since 1990 seems to me to be a case of Whites voting with their feet, anti-endorsing the multiracial California model.

    Sources:
    - 1970 and 1990: Historical Census Statistics on Population Totals by Race, 1790 to 1990," Census Bureau (Table 19; p.47 of PDF);
    - 2000: Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 2000 -- Census 2000 Summary File 1 (SF 1) 100-Percent Data;
    - 2010: Profile of General Population and Housing Characteristics: 2010;
    - 2017: ACS Demographic and Housing estimates -- 2017 American Community Survey 1-Year Estimates
  83. A great article from Ron, very perceptive and thought provoking. However, instead of making a case for “self-censorship”, why not make a case for “Choose your battles wisely”? The Alt-right definitely needs crash courses in Political Strategy 101 and Political Tactics 101. Both Mao and Lenin were “way over the top” but they succeeded because they engaged in the right battles at the right times.

  84. @Svigor

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.
     

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn't a belief - it's the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn't exist until you disprove his existence; it's the other way around. You're actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    The Shoah goes in the "faith in Jesus" and "belief in Kennedy assassination plot" column, not in the column with skepticism and agnosticism. You've got witch-hunters in your camp, sharing your beliefs, lol. The Shoah correlates even more closely with religion when you consider how it's enforced by law throughout Europe, the way Christianity was, centuries ago, or the way Islam is in many places today.

    What you've done in grouping agnosticism with Shoah-belief is to create status-quo and non-status-quo columns, or conformist and non-conformist columns, and then label them "rational" and "irrational," which is just really shit-tier, for reasons that I hope are now obvious.


    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.
     
    It's the sort of high-risk, high-reward strategy that a minority of Jews have been pursuing for centuries, if not eons. If the roles were reversed, there'd be a vocal minority of Jews deconstructing the goyische Shoah narrative. Jews have never been as worried about being marginalized as they are about delineating the margins.

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Yep.

    How 'bout we limit anons to 1 comment per ever?

    Excellent points, Svigor.

    In argumentation, the ‘burden of proof’ lies with those making the claim. Well said!

  85. @Miro23
    The issue is what to do about it.

    It's a really difficult question, but probably any positive change is going to start locally, and deal with individuals. When US society starts to sort itself out (organize itself at county level?) it can embark on creating ground-up political systems that serve the public rather than the plutocracy.

    It's still a complicated procedure. In the military, when dealing with hopeless disintegrating units, at least they have a chain of command and a mission. An effective leader can impose discipline, starting with a few basic things like "wear your helmet", "clean and carry your rifle at all times", "carry your ammunition right "etc. and gradually build up from there.

    Under a democracy (especially the US variety) it's a lot more difficult. Democracy is a one way street. When it works correctly it's fine, but it's open to the special interest corruption of representatives, and the fatal laziness of the public. When it fails (as the US variant more or less has) it can't be reconstructed at the national level - since Special Interests have an entirely different mission (feed themselves), and use their MSM and the administration power to form a set of interlocking plates to protect themselves and keep out outsiders.

    The possibilities I see are 1) a local, low level political movement, as far away from Washington as possible, taking back local affairs (and taxation) i.e. a US Federation, or 2) a military coup run by US nationalists that shuts down New York, DC and Hollywood or 3) a shooting civil war or 4) a world (nuclear) war.

    1) Would clearly be preferable, but who would provide the leadership? And while they organize, can they simultaneously face off Washington? What kind of local organization would shake individual Americans out of their stupor and get them to be politically active and change their lives?

    2) Unlikely, since the top military are thoroughly vetted and integrated into the Empire. Also, should it happen, the US would receive a new and unpredictable dictatorial elite for Special Interests to get to work on.

    3) Quite possible since the US is loaded with firearms, and the armed forces would probably show split loyalties (be reluctant to destroy American cities). At the end of it, the US would lie in ruins.

    4) More likely than it appears since the US is being highly provocative towards Russia, and backing them into a corner with regard to nuclear treaties, placement of short range nuclear weapons etc. (now also starting with China). This wouldn't take more than a few days and would be TEOWAKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) given the power of modern nuclear weapons. The US could end up a depopulated and irrelevant wasteland.

    Of course there is still the last (and most likely), "do nothing" option, whereby the US continues its slide into a Zio-Glob dictatorship of the traditional kind with a controlled population, censorship, secret police, detention camps, across the board SJW indoctrination, media propaganda and an elite Nomenklatura.

    Agree.

    The only point of (minor) disagreement is the last sentence in:

    3) Quite possible since the US is loaded with firearms, and the armed forces would probably show split loyalties (be reluctant to destroy American cities). At the end of it, the US would lie in ruins.

    I’d change it into: some parts of US would lie in ruins.

  86. How can Trump be a neocon (or even a neo-neocon) if he is pulling out of Syria?

  87. @Ron Unz

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?
     
    Well, it all depends. Since California's current population is around 40 million and probably not much above 30% white European these days, I'd say it constitutes a pretty reasonable test-case.

    Now I was born in CA and have lived here nearly all of my life, so I think I have a pretty solid sense of things. I'd strongly argue that over the last fifty years some things have gotten better and some things have gotten worse, in complicated ways.

    I'd say that most of the things that have gotten better have been due to broader trends such as technological advances, with computers and the Internet being among the most important. Obviously, those same things have gotten better everywhere else in the US and the entire world. Another positive development has been the elimination of the smog that had been such a huge problem in the LA of the 1960s. Health care has gotten better for the same reason, but also much more ridiculously expensive, so it's a mixed bag, the same as everywhere else in the US.

    But if we're looking as changes/trends that are different in CA than in the rest of the US, I'd say that most things have gotten worse, especially quality of life. Traffic is certainly much worse and housing is ridiculously expensive, with the former problem substantially due to the latter, as a large fraction of the state's population has been pushed out into more distant and less desirable areas to live. These are universally recognized as two of the state's biggest problems, and extreme housing costs have also led to very high (adjusted) poverty rates, another huge problem. All of this is pretty much what you'd expect to happen as the CA population doubled from 20M to 40M on the same land area. Some of these problems are especially severe in the Silicon Valley areas.

    For example, here's a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America:

    https://game-leaks.com/shadow-of-homelessness-hangs-over-bay-area-students/

    Now immigration has obviously been a very large factor behind the doubling of the CA population, and since the latter has caused such a considerable decline in quality of life, it's perfectly reasonable to blame immigration for many of those problems. Basically, if you pack too many people inside a nice bus, it gets to be a serious problem.

    But I just don't see any evidence that the particular non-white racial skew of all those immigrants has been a major problem, at least over the last 15-20 years.

    Here's an absolutely crucial point that summarizes much of my position on that issue. During the late 1960s/early 1970s, California was about 80% white European and these days it's down to little more than 30%. Yet the degree of racially-tinged political conflict or violence back then was ***MASSIVELY*** greater than today. Indeed, I'd put it pretty close to zero in recent years. In fact, I'd say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here. That's simply a fact and you'd have a very hard time persuading sensible people who grew up here otherwise. (Pretty much the same is true for the huge decline in crime rates across most of the state.)

    Now I'd certainly agree that US immigration has been much too high in the last decade or two and should be substantially reduced, which would help alleviate all sorts of important problems.

    But based on the major California example, arguing for such reduction on racial grounds seems about the weakest possible argument to make. Since that's pretty obviously the underlying concern propelling so much of the agitated anti-immigration activists, perhaps that fact helps explain why they've had such total lack of success for decades.

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being "killers and rapists" just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    In 2018, the CA electorate was still 63% white, but the Trump/Republican immigration arguments didn't do very well here. The Republicans lost half their remaining Congressional seats and are now down to just 7(!) out of 55, while the Democrats gained 3/4ths(!) majorities in both houses of the State Legislature. So the views of the top Silicon Valley people aren't really all that totally different from the views of average CA whites.

    Suppose someone on the Internet was arguing that heavy immigration was causing all sorts of problems and should be reduced. Lots of people might say "Hmmm... Why do you think so?" But if the answer came back "Because lots of immigrants are actually werewolves and vampires!!!" I really doubt the fellow would have much success...

    Do you think some of what you are saying is due to a selection bias? Many of the people who were against illegal immigration voted with their feet once the courts overruled propositions voted at the ballot box meant to curtail the deluge. So there is less opposition and more a sense of unity as those folks have been replaced by immigrants. So now you just have relatively small wealthy White/Asian communities that are immune to social issues and non-wealthy Hispanic populations that have become a large majority and have shaped the state in their image. Thus the apparent peace. But at what cost? California is now lost to old stock Californians – the Okies and other mid-century dreamers (heh!).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Do you think some of what you are saying is due to a selection bias? Many of the people who were against illegal immigration voted with their feet once the courts overruled propositions voted at the ballot box meant to curtail the deluge.
     
    Probably, but only to a very limited extent. A considerable portion of the white working-class has been driven out to other states by economic competition from immigrants, and lots of higher-paid workers left after the collapse of the aerospace industrial after the end of the Cold War. Housing is so ridiculously expensive that lots of younger whites have to move away to other states to buy homes, and older whites eventually sell their small homes here for a million or two million and retire elsewhere.

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of "mass exodus."
  88. @KenH

    But the problem that all of you face is that when people in Silicon Valley look around themselves, what they see reasonably matches the claims of the MSM
     
    That's because the (((MSM))) is not honest and most MSM types live in gated communities far away from the black and brown hellscapes they think are so good for non-elite whites. That's because liberalism is easy to believe the less contact with reality one has. Silicon Valley is just a bubble. And because of it's vast wealth, is an outlier and not reflective of most parts of America that has been forcibly diversified against their wishes.

    while if they ever visit Breitbart, let alone any of your own Alt-Right websites, you mostly come across like a bunch of total lunatics.
     
    Each side has their "lunatics" but if the luminaries of Silicon valley ever visited HuffPo, Daily Kos or even watched MSNBC the left would come across like a bunch of totally unhinged lunatics to any reasonable person. That they come to that conclusion only about our side means their worldview trends leftist and they were already biased against our message.

    If Silicon Valley types think (((Tim Wise))), (((Rachel Maddow))), Morning Joe, and Don Lemon are the voices of truth and sanity then there's little we can do to change their minds. Oriental Sarah Jeong said horrible things about white people yet she still has her Twitter account.

    In some ways Ron's comments are a justication of Silicon Valley's war against right of center political dissent with pro-white overtones, or wrong thinking. This is very disappointing.

    That we are witnessing an unprecedented intolerance for certain political creeds and viewpoints by the tech monopolies, usually under Jewish pressure, and tacitly supported by the federal government by their inaction and silence is the real issue.

    The other issue is that we are two nations, perhaps more, and we can't relate to each other or don't talk each other's language anymore. Silicon Valley looks at mostly white, flyover America not as fellow Americans, but as the great unwashed and a serious problem to be dealt with.

    Tim Wise is not a Jew. I know he’s lied about it, but he’s not. Besides, what doesn’t he lie about?

    Aside from that and your mistaken belief that the Juden unser Unglück sind, your comment was excellent.

    • Replies: @mark green
    Tim Wise is NOT Jewish? I think that you are mistaken about this. I had an exchange with Tim Wise and he says he's Jewish and I believe him. Considering his typical (((opinions))), Wise would probably have broader appeal and more credibility if indeed he was not a Jew. Thus I cannot see a reason why he would lie about his ethnic background. Here's my article (and exchange) with Tim Wise.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/30/my-smackdown-with-anti-white-crusader-tim-wise/

    , @KenH

    Tim Wise is not a Jew. I know he’s lied about it, but he’s not. Besides, what doesn’t he lie about?
     
    By his own admission he considers himself Jewish and based on his professed animus towards whites and anti-white activism I'll take him at his word. Moreover, I'm not aware of any prominent Jews or Jewish groups who have challenged his claim, so it would appear they consider him one of their own as well.

    Obviously with your good work acknowledging and documenting black on white crimes you are an exception and the anti-Tim Wise. As is Ron Unz with this site and for being one of the most tolerant and possibly the most tolerant moderator on the internet.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Rachel Maddow isn't Jewish, either ( Catholic). Same goes for Jamie Dimon(Greek), Joy Behar (born Josephine Occiuto) and more than a few others assumed to be Jewish by those with confirmation bias. In this area, Type 1 errors abound.
  89. @War for Blair Mountain
    Senator John F Kennedy was directly involved in “airlifting” Barack Obama Senior into 90 percent Native Born White America...with a 100,000 dollar educational grant...

    You didn’t know this...did you......you god dam RETARD worshippers of JFK...

    What do you JFK worshippers glue your JFK pinup boy posters to the wall with? What precious bodily fluids do you use?

    This is why the Native Born White American Working Class was voted into a White Racial Foreigner and White Racial Minority within the borders of California....you can thank your pinup boy JFK for this....

    I’m guessing that there aren’t a lot of JFK worshippers around here.

  90. @Ron Unz

    I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life...I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population...From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine.
     
    Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks, and that was absolutely the case in the high racially-charged California violence of the late 1960s/early 1970s.

    These days, a pretty remarkable fraction of all the adult black males in CA are already in prison, already dead from past violence or drug use, or sometimes pushed out to other states with lower housing costs. That's been a huge factor behind the decline.

    Furthermore, since a large fraction of state's electorate is Hispanic or Asian, they're much less cowed by MSM denunciations if they support local crackdowns on the black criminals who remain around.

    Also, the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn't be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white. So there's only been a small decline in white numbers. It's just that the Hispanic and Asian numbers have grown so rapidly.

    Ron Unz—Thank you for the clarification, I thought you meant black-white violence. Black crime is at a similar level in England. This newspaper report was published in 2010:

    ‘The reality of violent inner-city crime is indicated today by statistics obtained by The Sunday Telegraph.

    The official figures, which examine the ethnicity of those accused of violent offences in London, suggest the majority of men held responsible by police for gun crimes, robberies and street crimes are black. Black men are also disproportionately the victims of violent crime in the capital. The statistics, released by the Metropolitan Police, permit an informed debate on a sensitive subject for the first time.

    The data provide a breakdown of the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against for a range of violent and sexual offences in London in 2009-10. They show that among those proceeded against for street crimes, 54 per cent were black; for robbery, 59 per cent; and for gun crimes, 67 per cent. Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property.

    Just over 12 per cent of London’s 7·5 million population is black, including those of mixed black and white parentage, while 69 per cent is white, according to the Office for National Statistics.’

  91. @Ron Unz

    I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life...I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population...From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine.
     
    Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks, and that was absolutely the case in the high racially-charged California violence of the late 1960s/early 1970s.

    These days, a pretty remarkable fraction of all the adult black males in CA are already in prison, already dead from past violence or drug use, or sometimes pushed out to other states with lower housing costs. That's been a huge factor behind the decline.

    Furthermore, since a large fraction of state's electorate is Hispanic or Asian, they're much less cowed by MSM denunciations if they support local crackdowns on the black criminals who remain around.

    Also, the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn't be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white. So there's only been a small decline in white numbers. It's just that the Hispanic and Asian numbers have grown so rapidly.

    Dear Mr. Unz,

    Like a true racist, you publish statistics to bolster an argument that brown people represent and advance a specific political ideology. You folks reading this material should realize by now that our government tailors their socialist campaigns to appeal to minority segments, while our leaders are well aware of the impropriety and unconstitutional nature of their exploitation of blacks, Hispanics and women. Again, history bears out the effectiveness of creating political factions to advance socialism. The results are always the same. LOOK AT VENEZUELA!!!!! Read the history of Chavez and his efforts to instill the socialist mindset among his subjects (Then you can research the reason why his daughter is a billionaire…….) This is a PROCESS. But more importantly, it is historically the chosen means for tyrants to gain power.

    What was Hitler’s Political Party designation? National SOCIALISTS.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  92. @renfro
    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
    Now that they have aroused people to the immigration issue and the anti white men agenda they need to soft pedal the race aspects and turn to arguments that will increase their numbers....bring in people who would otherwise not want be known as alt right.
    There are other hot buttons they need to add that will install some fear about uncheck immigration than just brown and black hordes.

    by way deception as they say

    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.

    Maybe they should make it easier.

    Working on the principle that’s it’s best to rectify a mistake as soon as it’s identified, the Hart-Celler Immigration and Naturalization Act (1965) is now acknowledged as a failure. At the time it was claimed that it wouldn’t alter the demographic mix of the United States – but it did.

    Rectification would involve annulling it, with revised citizenship being based on being a citizen in 1965 or being the direct descendent of a person who was a citizen in 1965.

    Citizenship (and voting rights) would then more or less revert to the mix in 1965, with non-qualifying current citizens having their status changed to “long term resident” without voting rights – but all their other rights untouched as long as they paid taxes.

    It’s an open question which political figure would have the power to introduce the legislation, but they would need to be quick, and dive into the nearest bunker to handle the massive Liberal/ Globalist/ SJW/ Jewish incoming.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Working on the principle that’s it’s best to rectify a mistake as soon as it’s identified, the Hart-Celler Immigration and Naturalization Act (1965) is now acknowledged as a failure. At the time it was claimed that it wouldn’t alter the demographic mix of the United States – but it did.
     
    Look, for the MILLIONTH time I really do wish that anti-immigration activists would get their basic historical facts straight.

    The 1965 Immigration Act didn't OPEN the doors to massive Latin American immigration, it CLOSED the doors.

    Prior to 1965, America allowed UNLIMITED immigration from Latin America (and the Caribbean). For the first time, the 1965 Act imposed strict quotas.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2653851

    As I've said before, just do a bit of research and I think you'll be absolutely shocked to discover I'm correct about this crucial factual matter.

    And if you do find that I'm correct about this and all of your anti-immigration activist sources have been mistaken for all the years you've been reading them, well then, maybe you should take some of my other claims a little more seriously...
    , @Svigor

    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
     
    The trick to dealing with accusations of racism is to act like you've just been accused of...something irrelevant. When you start sputtering denials, they win. When you ignore the accusation, or hurl it back, and move on quickly to your next talking point as if nothing significant has happened (because nothing has), you're starting to "get" it. If need be, you can start enumerating all the ways that the left is racist against Whites*. If you don't know many, go hone your rhetoric, you aren't ready for advocacy.

    *This is not DR3. DR3 is faggot boomers claiming the left are the real racists against non-whites.
  93. Fine food for thought from Mr. Unz. Much appreciated.

    My first reaction, actually the only reaction, is that all this is a fine argument for devolution.

    If Silicon Valley, not to mention Portland, Oregon and Taos, New Mexico and Sedona, Arizona are so radically unaware of West Virginia (et al.) why, really, should we pretend they are the same nation?

    It’s all there in the Anti-Federalist Papers which are not hard to find. What’s difficult is which one of those ancient lads was more prophetic than the other.

    Silicon Valley, as a Crown Colony of the Federal Reserve (and Global Tech corporations more generally), could and should remain as it is. As for the rest of us…

    Just take one issue and unwrap it, and the whole becomes clear. Try the bogus opioid epidemic.

    The details are unnecessary for us to get into (especially since there’s been a suicide epidemic accelerating since 2008). They spun it in such a way as to (a) turn all legitimate pain sufferers into “addicts” by cutting them off from legitimate relief, and (b) increased the power of at least three federal agencies (FDA, DEA, CDC) so that every trip to the doctor, from now on, will be a visit to the Security State.

    So the effect was? Obvious and quick. A fifty-ish fellow with severe permanent degenerative pain from an industrial accident long ago was cut off cold here in flyover country, same as war veterans with similar injuries… among many others.

    But the fifty-ish fellow made a 2+2=5 deduction immediately. He is convinced this was a totalitarian, coordinated move to create customers for Afgan heroin he’s certainthe CIA is flying into the country by the ton every day.

    People in pain have every reason to believe the worst about those who dole it out and those who add to the misery. I cannot blame the fellow.

    And that’s only one topic.

    As a libertarian from the late 70s I can relate all the stories of “unintended consequences” but this one looks intentional. Some individuals or groups, very high up, want to ratchet up the fear and anger quotient down below. Drugs, race, sex, income… it goes across the board. Those of us in industrial security see bits of all of it. Not getting better since Trump.

    An economic devolution first, gradually moving to self-sufficiency till political seperation becomes necessary (flags always follow money). A peaceful possibility and in accordance with self-determination as the Founders intended.

    If the old Soviet Union could do it there is no reason why we cannot. From “Evil Empire” to normal and natural nations. From “Great Satan” to a swath of truly independent countries between Canada and Mexico. Each deciding its own fate and following its own destiny.

    Why not?

  94. @seeing-thru
    Given the inertia (perhaps we should spell it as INERTIA to differentiate it from the Newtonian variety) that underpins human societies, your conclusion stated in the last para of your post is what I would bet my money on. But I'd up my bet size if the order of occurrences was framed differently, proceeding from the most likely to the least likely. That order I see as being: media propaganda and an elite Nomenklatura (aren't we almost already there?); across the board SJW indoctrination (we are heading there at supersonic speed); secret police (this one too has been showing itself more and more); censorship (exactly what political correctness is all about); detention camps (not very likely because unnecessary if the preceding have succeeded); slide into Zio-Glob dictatorship (not likely because who needs ugly dictatorships when you can dispense Soma to calm the unwashed masses). Furthermore, SJW indoctrination, media propaganda, and an addiction to Soma (in the shape of TV, professional games, etc.) makes it very likely that DO NOTHING is what will come to pass.

    Pretty much.

    Just a little addition:
    Detention camps: true, but plenty of other forms of physical control, from wearing a device, through home detention and short term country jail(s) to “proper” prisons.And, there will definitely be hard life term incarceration (think that guy in Norway or Hanssen) , even death penalty here and there, for those really stepping out of line.

  95. @Miro23

    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
     
    Maybe they should make it easier.

    Working on the principle that's it's best to rectify a mistake as soon as it's identified, the Hart-Celler Immigration and Naturalization Act (1965) is now acknowledged as a failure. At the time it was claimed that it wouldn't alter the demographic mix of the United States - but it did.

    Rectification would involve annulling it, with revised citizenship being based on being a citizen in 1965 or being the direct descendent of a person who was a citizen in 1965.

    Citizenship (and voting rights) would then more or less revert to the mix in 1965, with non-qualifying current citizens having their status changed to "long term resident" without voting rights - but all their other rights untouched as long as they paid taxes.

    It's an open question which political figure would have the power to introduce the legislation, but they would need to be quick, and dive into the nearest bunker to handle the massive Liberal/ Globalist/ SJW/ Jewish incoming.

    Working on the principle that’s it’s best to rectify a mistake as soon as it’s identified, the Hart-Celler Immigration and Naturalization Act (1965) is now acknowledged as a failure. At the time it was claimed that it wouldn’t alter the demographic mix of the United States – but it did.

    Look, for the MILLIONTH time I really do wish that anti-immigration activists would get their basic historical facts straight.

    The 1965 Immigration Act didn’t OPEN the doors to massive Latin American immigration, it CLOSED the doors.

    Prior to 1965, America allowed UNLIMITED immigration from Latin America (and the Caribbean). For the first time, the 1965 Act imposed strict quotas.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2653851

    As I’ve said before, just do a bit of research and I think you’ll be absolutely shocked to discover I’m correct about this crucial factual matter.

    And if you do find that I’m correct about this and all of your anti-immigration activist sources have been mistaken for all the years you’ve been reading them, well then, maybe you should take some of my other claims a little more seriously…

    • Replies: @David Baker
    LOL!
    , @Futurethirdworlder
    In 1960 after existing for almost 200 years with the doors wide OPEN to Latin American immigration the Latin American pop in the US was about 6 million.

    After having CLOSED the door to Latin American immigration in 1965 the Latin American pop of US ballooned to over 50 million in just 55 years.

    Maybe we should OPEN the doors again?
    , @GoyimYisrael
    How do you type and rub your tricky hands together at the same time? The Latino population was like 2-3% up until you Jews took control of immigration policies.

    Now it's like 14-15% and you don't think that's sufficient.
    , @Alden
    You’re right about the restrictions on Latins and Caribbeans in the 65 act.

    I
  96. @Svigor

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.
     

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn't a belief - it's the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn't exist until you disprove his existence; it's the other way around. You're actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    The Shoah goes in the "faith in Jesus" and "belief in Kennedy assassination plot" column, not in the column with skepticism and agnosticism. You've got witch-hunters in your camp, sharing your beliefs, lol. The Shoah correlates even more closely with religion when you consider how it's enforced by law throughout Europe, the way Christianity was, centuries ago, or the way Islam is in many places today.

    What you've done in grouping agnosticism with Shoah-belief is to create status-quo and non-status-quo columns, or conformist and non-conformist columns, and then label them "rational" and "irrational," which is just really shit-tier, for reasons that I hope are now obvious.


    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.
     
    It's the sort of high-risk, high-reward strategy that a minority of Jews have been pursuing for centuries, if not eons. If the roles were reversed, there'd be a vocal minority of Jews deconstructing the goyische Shoah narrative. Jews have never been as worried about being marginalized as they are about delineating the margins.

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Yep.

    How 'bout we limit anons to 1 comment per ever?

    ‘Lol. This is a really bad comparison…’

    Have it your way, then. Holocaust Denial is the rational, demonstrably true belief and belief in the reality of the Holocaust is logically indefensible.

    You’re magnificently missing the point. My point was:

    ‘…The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with…’

    …and that is indubitably true. Think of it as akin to arguing for a New World with huge temples in 800 AD. You’d be right — but at the same time, you wouldn’t exactly be convincing people of your sanity.

    You gotta think about what you’re in this for. Are you trying to demonstrate your wisdom and intellectual integrity to yourself — or do you want to change people’s minds about the issues that matter right now?

    • Replies: @Svigor

    Have it your way, then. Holocaust Denial is the rational, demonstrably true belief and belief in the reality of the Holocaust is logically indefensible.

    You’re magnificently missing the point. My point was:

    ‘…The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with…’
     

    No, I got your point, but you larded it with some really shitty talking points that I wanted to correct.

    Yes, you're right, a lot of normies are repelled by Shoah revisionism. A lot of normies are also worthless shytes (far too "respectable") who will never join us until it's totally obvious which way the wind is blowing, and by then we won't need them anymore.

    Not saying there's no middle ground, but that was part of my point; many styles for many audiences. There are a LOT of very rational white guys out there who, frankly, don't give a good flying goddamn what the herd thinks and are instead rather fond of doing their own thinking. They're the audience for Shoah revisionism. IOW, I think there's room for both styles.


    You gotta think about what you’re in this for. Are you trying to demonstrate your wisdom and intellectual integrity to yourself — or do you want to change people’s minds about the issues that matter right now?
     
    IMO there's no One True Way. Not in terms of optimal systems of gov't, and not in optimal systems of advocacy. E.g., to your left there are guys kvetching about how aunty-semytizm is holding us back. And to their left, guys kvetching about racism. Etc. I happen to know from experience that treetopping counter-semitism right from the start can turn guys into WNs, because I'm one of those guys. My philosophy is to just shoot straight and not try to hard to tailor stuff to the listener, at least online. Give the facts, and let people make of them what they will.

    P.S., I happen to have a very unique approach to "revisionism" that actually doesn't constitute "denial." Only skepticism. I happen to find it a lot more defensible and persuasive than the hard-core denial methods I see others using. The fact is, I'm not a scholar, and I don't know enough about the subject to really hold forth, one way or the other. On the other hand, I absolutely know that the orthodox narrative stinks. I mean really stinks. That is undeniable, and I can easily prove it. But truth be told, I don't know for certain what happened. But to each his own.

    , @Curmudgeon
    Holocaust denial is a pejorative term based in mysticism. You could just as easily be called a Holocaust promoter.
    Aside from the fact that there is not one iota of forensic evidence to support the narrative, any factual challenge to the narrative quickly exposes the impossibility of the narrative. The late Robert Faurisson's decades old challenge - "Show me or draw for me a homicidal gas chamber" has never been met.
    I would encourage you to read the transcripts of the Zundel trials and in particular, the cross examination of Holocaust "survivors", like Rudolf Vrba, the serial perjurer whose hearsay evidence was the basis of the judicial notice at Nuremberg, and "experts" like Raul Hilberg. They and their ilk were completely discredited. On the other hand two Jews testified for Zundel saying therewere no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, and Charles Biedermann of the ICRC produced documentation of camp inspections and testified that the ICRC delivered packages to Jews in the camps. Hilberg refused to testify at Zundel's second trial, and made several revisions to his book after his discrediting.
    My father and four uncles were in the RCAF during WWII. An aunt was an Army OR nurse. I grew up with kids whose fathers served, and some of them were POWs. None of them bought into the narrative. The only one of that generation that I met who believed it, was a grade 11 history teacher, who was a drunk.
    Think about it Colin. Why would Elie Wiesel's father be in a hospital if the "death camps" were there to kill all the Jews? Why would Wiesel and his father choose to go with the "murdering" camp guards rather than be "liberated" by the Soviets? Why was there a library, theatre, and brothel for prisoners at a "death camp"? Your leap of faith is admirable, but illogical.
  97. @Ron Unz

    Working on the principle that’s it’s best to rectify a mistake as soon as it’s identified, the Hart-Celler Immigration and Naturalization Act (1965) is now acknowledged as a failure. At the time it was claimed that it wouldn’t alter the demographic mix of the United States – but it did.
     
    Look, for the MILLIONTH time I really do wish that anti-immigration activists would get their basic historical facts straight.

    The 1965 Immigration Act didn't OPEN the doors to massive Latin American immigration, it CLOSED the doors.

    Prior to 1965, America allowed UNLIMITED immigration from Latin America (and the Caribbean). For the first time, the 1965 Act imposed strict quotas.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2653851

    As I've said before, just do a bit of research and I think you'll be absolutely shocked to discover I'm correct about this crucial factual matter.

    And if you do find that I'm correct about this and all of your anti-immigration activist sources have been mistaken for all the years you've been reading them, well then, maybe you should take some of my other claims a little more seriously...

    LOL!

  98. @Ron Unz

    I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life...I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population...From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine.
     
    Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks, and that was absolutely the case in the high racially-charged California violence of the late 1960s/early 1970s.

    These days, a pretty remarkable fraction of all the adult black males in CA are already in prison, already dead from past violence or drug use, or sometimes pushed out to other states with lower housing costs. That's been a huge factor behind the decline.

    Furthermore, since a large fraction of state's electorate is Hispanic or Asian, they're much less cowed by MSM denunciations if they support local crackdowns on the black criminals who remain around.

    Also, the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn't be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white. So there's only been a small decline in white numbers. It's just that the Hispanic and Asian numbers have grown so rapidly.

    ‘Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks…’

    Meh. That’s somewhat exaggerated. If we got rid of all blacks, things would be massively improved — but they wouldn’t become all sweetness and light.

    In the eighties, I taught in a high school that went from about 80% Hispanic/20% Asian to about 60% Hispanic/40% Asian over the four years I was there.

    There was a fair amount of inter-racial tension and violence including at least one shooting. Nothing like what would have gone on if blacks had been one of the groups, but it wasn’t all peaceful harmony.

    In general, while I side with you in your distaste for the more virulent forms of anti-Hispanic bigotry, I think you go overboard in the opposite direction. They’re not perfectly assimilable (sp?), and particularly not in the quantities that they’ve been arriving in.

    I’ll even go so far as to speculate that you tend to defend them because first, they don’t threaten you personally in any way — you’d sing a different tune if you were a carpenter! Second, they are indeed hard-working, (literally) small and non-threatening, and usually docile and respectful of (your) wealth and power. These aren’t criticisms of you so much as suggestions that perhaps your attitude inevitably owes something to your position — as is true of all of us.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    ‘Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks…’

    Meh. That’s somewhat exaggerated. If we got rid of all blacks, things would be massively improved — but they wouldn’t become all sweetness and light.
     
    Well, I was only slightly exaggerating. If you haven't already, you might want to take a look at my big Race/Crime article from a few years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    One of my most remarkable findings was that when you analyze the violent crime rates across all of America's cities over the last 25 years, you discover that the correlation with the percentage of the black population closely approaches unity, ranking it as among the highest correlations ever found in the social sciences. Put another way, to a good approximation the only factor that determines an American city's violent crime rate is the relative size of the local black population:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ViolentCrimesCities250k.jpg

    Several of America's most eminent social scientists were absolutely stunned by my finding, which I'd been casually aware of for many, many years.
  99. @RationalExpressions
    Do you think some of what you are saying is due to a selection bias? Many of the people who were against illegal immigration voted with their feet once the courts overruled propositions voted at the ballot box meant to curtail the deluge. So there is less opposition and more a sense of unity as those folks have been replaced by immigrants. So now you just have relatively small wealthy White/Asian communities that are immune to social issues and non-wealthy Hispanic populations that have become a large majority and have shaped the state in their image. Thus the apparent peace. But at what cost? California is now lost to old stock Californians - the Okies and other mid-century dreamers (heh!).

    Do you think some of what you are saying is due to a selection bias? Many of the people who were against illegal immigration voted with their feet once the courts overruled propositions voted at the ballot box meant to curtail the deluge.

    Probably, but only to a very limited extent. A considerable portion of the white working-class has been driven out to other states by economic competition from immigrants, and lots of higher-paid workers left after the collapse of the aerospace industrial after the end of the Cold War. Housing is so ridiculously expensive that lots of younger whites have to move away to other states to buy homes, and older whites eventually sell their small homes here for a million or two million and retire elsewhere.

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of “mass exodus.”

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    I myself will shortly be leaving Mexifornia: in Santa Barbara, my current domicile (and a B'nai Brith/ADL-ruled sanctuary city) c. 2/3 of the population no longer speaks English...or shares my values. So it is now a mass

    exodus.

    and it's accelerating rapidly.

    the White population of Mexifornia will be c. 25% by the mid-2020's

    and thereafter decline precipitously.
    , @Svigor

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of “mass exodus.”
     
    LOL, different strokes, I guess. Because I call that a mass exodus.

    (Especially when talking about the best real estate on the planet)

  100. @Ron Unz

    I am English and have lived in England nearly all my life...I was struck by the reduction you mention in interracial violence, which has gone hand-in-hand with a dramatic fall in the white population...From the point of view of interracial violence, then, things in California and beyond are perfectly fine.
     
    Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks, and that was absolutely the case in the high racially-charged California violence of the late 1960s/early 1970s.

    These days, a pretty remarkable fraction of all the adult black males in CA are already in prison, already dead from past violence or drug use, or sometimes pushed out to other states with lower housing costs. That's been a huge factor behind the decline.

    Furthermore, since a large fraction of state's electorate is Hispanic or Asian, they're much less cowed by MSM denunciations if they support local crackdowns on the black criminals who remain around.

    Also, the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn't be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white. So there's only been a small decline in white numbers. It's just that the Hispanic and Asian numbers have grown so rapidly.

    the decline in the white population of CA really shouldn’t be exaggerated. About 50 years ago, the state had 20M people and was around 80% white. Now it has 40M people and is 30-35% white.

    White non-Hispanics in California:
    – 1970 census: 15.2 million
    – 1990 census: 17.0 million
    – 2000 census: 15.8 million
    – 2010 census: 15.0 million
    – 2017 Census Bureau estimate: 14.6 million

    A significant population loss, near 20% by one possible measure. By 2017, California should have had 18 million Whites if its population growth were exactly in line with nationwide average White population growth of 1990 to 2017 (+5%). California is now on track for <14.5 million Whites for the 2020 census to be taken in a year and a half.

    The total USA White non-Hispanic population in 1990 was 188.1 million and 2017 is estimated at 197.3 million, a figure now also in absolute decline (national peak year: 2015 at 197.5 million).

    Fixing each at 1990=100:

    USA, White population (absolute)
    1990: 100
    2017: 105

    California White population (absolute)
    1990: 100
    2017: 86

    This significant population loss since 1990 seems to me to be a case of Whites voting with their feet, anti-endorsing the multiracial California model.

    Sources:

  101. The media is dominated by Jews. Even Jews acknowledge that fact. What Jews won’t acknowledge is the fact that they’ll control the narrative. It’s no accident that Google, Facebook and other social network websites are culling free speech, and targeting “Alt-Right” web pages for dismissal. What should be discerned by the gentry is the strange relationship between supposedly ultra-conservative luminaries such as Limbaugh and Prager with these social network operators. In case you haven’t noticed, Limbaugh ‘presided’ over two Clinton Presidencies, two Obama Presidencies, Gay Marriages, Partial-Birth Abortions, Moonbeam II and other liberal campaigns coming to fruition. If you desire to hear a full accounting of Israel’s efforts to (again..) employ American Military Forces to fight their battles, tune-in to the surviving “Alt-Right” channels for the latest pep talk. Conservatives no longer exist within politics, the media or on the web. If you believe for one minute that the aforementioned “Alt-Right” pundits do not serve in a capacity as cheerleaders for Israel, then you might as well resign your Conservative Party membership.

  102. @Nicholas Stix
    Tim Wise is not a Jew. I know he's lied about it, but he's not. Besides, what doesn't he lie about?

    Aside from that and your mistaken belief that the Juden unser Unglück sind, your comment was excellent.

    Tim Wise is NOT Jewish? I think that you are mistaken about this. I had an exchange with Tim Wise and he says he’s Jewish and I believe him. Considering his typical (((opinions))), Wise would probably have broader appeal and more credibility if indeed he was not a Jew. Thus I cannot see a reason why he would lie about his ethnic background. Here’s my article (and exchange) with Tim Wise.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/30/my-smackdown-with-anti-white-crusader-tim-wise/

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    Time Wise is Jewish in the paternal line.

    he ID's as a Jew,

    and his murderously anti-White stance

    is definitively Jewish.
    , @Svigor
    I could see a Caucasoid anti-white racist in the anti-white racism business claiming to be Jewish to fit in.
    , @Svigor
    Hahaha I'm only halfway through but I'm really enjoying watching you curb-stomp that little shit. He's such a duplicitous, sniveling little shit pile.
    , @geokat62
    Great exchange, Mark. Thanks for brining it to our attention.

    Speaking of bringing things to people's attention, at the very end of your email exchanges it indicates that you are the editor of the book, Persecution, Priviledge & Power.

    Here is the Product Description on Amazon:

    "PERSECUTION, PRIVILEGE & POWER" is a controversial but compelling collection of articles that critically explores the impact and influence of organized Zionism on American life and global politics. In one volume, thirty contributing editors weigh in on the hottest and most taboo subject in the Western world; namely, the overpowering reach and influence of organized Jewish groups towards directing policies in Washington that are favorable to the State of Israel or the perceived well-being of Jews world-wide. The taboo against critically exploring the downside of these tribal machinations is cast aside in this searing and informative anthology. Among the distinguished commentators found in "PERSECUTION, PRIVILEGE & POWER" are: James Petras, Charlie Reese, Alison weir, Ray McGovern, Kevin MacDonald, Stephen Lendman, John V. Whitbeck, Israel Shamir, Mark Weber, Richard Curtiss, Gilad Atzmon, Joseph Sobran and others. Throughout this volume, Israel's dubious role as an American 'asset' goes under the microscope, as does that nation's favored status with whatever Party rules Washington. The writing is direct and penetrating and the conclusions are often explosive. Domestic politics--even world history--will never quite be the same after reading this incisive compilation of web-based analysis. "PERSECUTION, PRIVILEGE & POWER" is a fast read that also makes a provocative and memorable gift.
     
    I think as many Unzers as possible should make a point of purchasing your book.I know I will be.
    , @Nicholas Stix
    I haven't yet read all of your exchange with Wise, but I got a little bit past this self-misrepresentation of his:

    "I am an anti-Zionist jew and always have been."

    There are only two ways to be a Jew: 1. By being born to a Jewish mother; or 2. Converting.

    Neither is the case with Wise, who has stated that his connection to Judaism is via a Jewish paternal grandfather.

    He's not a Jew. He is a genocidal anti-Semite ("anti-Zionist").

    I have no idea why he would lie about being a Jew (to cover for his genocidal anti-Semitism?), and don't really care. I deal with all kinds of liars, day and night, every day.
  103. You successfully convinced me that racial diversity works best when everyone has a six figure job and expensive real estate.

    • Replies: @wow
    Exactly, life is great in communities with the top 0.01% IQ running the show.
  104. I stopped self-defining as a “conservative” of any type a long time ago and started trying to analyze issues one by one. The left/right single-dimension axis tends to be used to herd people into uncritically accepting certain positions without thinking too much.

    With that said, those who accept the label “Alt-Right” have already ceded rhetorical ground to the Bill Kristol crowd. The “Alt-Right” is traditional conservatism. It doesn’t need a new name. It is the neoconservatives who are the splinter group, deserving the qualifier.

    As far as censorship in Silicon Valley is concerned, extreme elements of the far right are being used (and no doubt impersonated) as bogeymen for justification, but the real targets and motivations of the crackdown can be gleaned from Google’s handbook for search evaluators:

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-06-10-google-internal-handbook-instructs-engineers-to-bury-natural-news-web-pages-from-search-results.html

    On page 108 of the search evaluator quality guidelines, Google gives a glimpse into the type of reference information they bury, including “Pages that directly contradict well-established historical facts (e.g., unsubstantiated conspiracy theories), unless the query clearly indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.”

    I’d imagine those well established historical facts include the official 9/11 and Holocaust narratives, both of which have steadily been losing ground, especially among millennials.

    More clues from Google’s “Good Censor” memo:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/390521673/The-Good-Censor-GOOGLE-LEAK#from_embed

    Page 66: “The American Tradition” (free speech) vs. the “European Tradition (dignity over liberty).” When you consider that the CIA largely created that “European Tradition,” and controls the narrative of their press, the issue becomes clear: Given the information-porous borders, we can’t give ordinary Americans a platform to undermine our foreign propaganda.

    There’s no doubt that Google works closely with the government. There have been racist and anti-semitic sites on the Internet from the beginning. They have little impact other than being useful scarecrows to motivate ADL and SPLC contributors.

    They’re a lot more frightened about some of the whoppers they were used to getting away with in the pre-Internet age being exposed, or perceptive foreign policy analysis that will hurt their misdirection tactics.

  105. @Svigor

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    Well, speaking for myself, they’re free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I’m concerned, it’s like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don’t share. Have at it, though. It’s like golf. Of no interest to me, but don’t let me spoil your fun.
     

    Lol, this is a really bad comparison. Holocaust skepticism isn't a belief - it's the lack thereof. Santa Claus doesn't exist until you disprove his existence; it's the other way around. You're actually the one with the faith-based belief.

    The Shoah goes in the "faith in Jesus" and "belief in Kennedy assassination plot" column, not in the column with skepticism and agnosticism. You've got witch-hunters in your camp, sharing your beliefs, lol. The Shoah correlates even more closely with religion when you consider how it's enforced by law throughout Europe, the way Christianity was, centuries ago, or the way Islam is in many places today.

    What you've done in grouping agnosticism with Shoah-belief is to create status-quo and non-status-quo columns, or conformist and non-conformist columns, and then label them "rational" and "irrational," which is just really shit-tier, for reasons that I hope are now obvious.


    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.
     
    It's the sort of high-risk, high-reward strategy that a minority of Jews have been pursuing for centuries, if not eons. If the roles were reversed, there'd be a vocal minority of Jews deconstructing the goyische Shoah narrative. Jews have never been as worried about being marginalized as they are about delineating the margins.

    Anyone else been limited to just one comment an hour?
     
    Yep.

    How 'bout we limit anons to 1 comment per ever?

    [You have already been told that bizarre use of unorthodox grammar or spelling (e.g. u, u’re, urself), especially in content-free rants, will greatly reduce the likelihood of your comments being published. This is your final warning.]

    With “Colin Wright” “Alt-right (Or Anyone) Doesn’t Need Enemies, Suckers

    Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.

    What?–first of all, it’s holohoax, nothing else. And WHO would be “convinced” holohoax “happened substantially as advertised…”?–absolutely NO ONE, but a satanic liar, that’s who, the purpose being to besmirch heroic German people who fought so brilliantly against Jew-Bolshevik murderers, which Jew-bolsheviki had already shown themselves as mass-murderers in Ukraine in 1932-3, before NSDAP took power and which heroic German people really were mass-exterminated by Jews, Eisenhower (who was a Jew), and their satanic suck-alongs of the West, Jew S A, and UK.

    [MORE]

    Think about it–anyone who’d lie about holohoax, as above quote, would probably deny millions of Germans were mass-murdered, as by starvation and disease during and after WWII, according to evidence by James Bacque, deny the holodomor of Ukraine, and deny the Armenian mass-murders by the Donmeh crypto descendents of Jew messiah, Sabbatai Zevi, who’d taken control of Turkey–they’d also deny that holohoax is deliberately pushed by Jews-media and public edjumacation establishment as way of masking and justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestine–as well as everywhere else, presently, in Western world. Good gravy.

    Seriously: just ask urself what sort of psychopathic, lying filth would blithely say such thing (quoted, above)?

    But that’s not the end, next we get this gem:

    plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

    Isn’t it OBVIOUS that there’s alternative to the idiot suggestion of the quote?–that calling spade spade, and that holohoax is simply satanic lying, is really and truly simply standing up for truth and against satanic lying?

    Observe how the moron drones blithely on,

    …but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

    No sucker, only one who’d do that would be purest, most worthless COWARD, suck-along w. satanists and Jews, Jews the REAL problem, the worst enemies of all humanity, justly hated by all races and cultures, all throughout history.

    So we see Unz, the Jew, setting things up for such cowardly, craven, satanic lies, like holohoax, and gross, utter COMPROMISE for those whom Unz patronizingly pretends to want to “helping” or advising, or counseling–good grief. For with people like “Colin Wright,” whose probably either Jew or homosexual (or both), no Christian or “alt-right” or any gentile of any self-respect needs enemies.

    So this is what Unz’s website is all about, is it?–the compromising and subverting of the general patriot, “nationalist” movement?–by means of moronic crap like this fm “Colin Wright”?

    Comrades, if we’re ANY kind of self-respecting humans, we must stand for TRUTH, the original Christian ideal (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)–and holohoax is dead give-away for the very most deadly SATANIC problem and affliction, this putrid, namby-pamby, limp-wristed sort of lying and corruption as “Colin Wright,” who imagines humanity is soooo stupid as to just let it pass by–like Unz does, we see.

    Unz, u fool, don’t u realize “Colin Wright” has exposed u?–compromised u?–absolutely reduced u to abject, comical, and moronic absurd? U censor an honest person like me, but u blandly publish this complete dweeb, “Colin Wright,” and expect it to just get along?

    Now we get to the REAL Unz, don’t we?–for what kind of person, in the first place, is willing to be known as “Jew,” Unz, tell us–especially w. the OBVIOUS Talmudic connection and implications. Don’t tell us u’re not “religious,” Unz, as this idiot “atheism” (or whatever) is well-known and classic stratagem, which atheism itself is mere religion all its own–no one can or ever has PROVEN there’s no God, sucker. And yet to insist there isn’t (any God) w. the sort of emotion and steadfastness atheists (almost always Jews) typically display is just an analogous kind of religious conviction and comportment.

    For if u’re truly “atheist,” then why would u call urself “Jew”? Isn’t ur racial association quite “religious” in itself? U’re willing to be known as Jew–even though so many people hate Jews?–Jews notorious objects of hatred, revulsion, fear, suspicion, question, etc.

    We gentiles and Christians have ALWAYS hated Jews, Unz–can’t u finally figure that out? Christian religion is necessarily anti-semitic as Judaism and Talmud are blatant ANTI-THESIS, even in the classic Hegelian style, to Christian truth ideal. Even before the Christians, u Jews were particularly hated by gentiles, including esp. the Greeks in their rationalist tradition, who also held TRUTH as foremost ideal.

    Even if u pretend u’re atheist and “not religious,” fact remains u, simply as Jew, preach tolerance of those Talmudistics of ur racial/genetic relation WHO ARE “religious.” So u can’t get away fm the problem of ur hypocrisy, on the one hand not willing to own to the Talmud, yet pretending it’s okay to be related genetically, not regretting the Talmud–because u KNOW it would be TREASON to ur people, including the religious–which repudiation u’re not willing to assume. By calling urself “Jew,” Unz, u repudiate humanity.

    Unz: face the hard facts, buddy: if u’re Jew, u’re no friend or even fellow of any gentiles or human beings. Regardless anything else, u’re simply a “Trojan Horse,” an “ice-breaker,” as it were, for fellow Jews who ARE “religious” and Talmudic, even if it were possible u weren’t–u can’t deny it–not in reason or truth. Entertaining “Colin Wright” is too much of a travesty and joke.

    • Replies: @David Baker
    "Holocaust Denial" is an incendiary term that will justify the unleashing of the Jewish SMR (Scalded Monkey Routine) response to such heresy and hatred. Many Jews "Deny the Holocaust", and even a scintilla of scrutiny applied toward that topic opens up an entire chapter revealing its origins: War Atrocity Propaganda. As the Holocaust Industry slowly dispenses with the most ridiculous elements of that event, such as Human Soap, a leftover from WWI, along with lampshades made from Jewish Skin, Holocaust historians must feverishly revamp their published volumes and lecture content to keep up with the changes. Hilberg, for example, deleted references to his "Hitler Orders to Exterminate the Jews" published in his standard reference work "The Destruction of the European Jews" after confessing his inability to produce those orders during his testimony at the Zundel False News Trial in Canada. What goyim should know is that, during Zundel's Appeal Trial, NONE of the witnesses, historians or prosecution experts would appear and testify under oath.

    (Can you say "Perjury"?.......)

    Truly, Holocaust Revisionism is akin to shooting Gefilte fish in a barrel, which is why the Industry has shifted their efforts toward government sanction and protection of that fairy tale.

    , @anon
    lol, good rant
    , @Colin Wright
    I'm hated and vilified by the Holocaust Deniers.

    Oh what to do, oh what to do?
  106. @renfro
    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
    Now that they have aroused people to the immigration issue and the anti white men agenda they need to soft pedal the race aspects and turn to arguments that will increase their numbers....bring in people who would otherwise not want be known as alt right.
    There are other hot buttons they need to add that will install some fear about uncheck immigration than just brown and black hordes.

    by way deception as they say

    People always say this but never with an example of what should be done and any thought as to how it would work. We can’t say that Hispanics don’t succeed academically because somebody will trot out Jaime Escalante and his (mostly exaggerated) success. Besides if we just spent more of whitey’s money on another program, that should do it. Can’t talk about higher welfare use because whites use the most welfare (even if their rate of use is lower). Can’t talk about affirmative action for people who just hopped the fence (white privilege and all that).

    How do you argue for less Hispanic immigration when the only thing you are allowed to say is how wonderful they are?

    Please put one thing out there that will get any response other than people sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming “racist” until you go away.

    Let’s not forget that the “debate” is juvenile because that is the only debate the left will allow on the issue.

  107. @Colin Wright
    'Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks...'

    Meh. That's somewhat exaggerated. If we got rid of all blacks, things would be massively improved -- but they wouldn't become all sweetness and light.

    In the eighties, I taught in a high school that went from about 80% Hispanic/20% Asian to about 60% Hispanic/40% Asian over the four years I was there.

    There was a fair amount of inter-racial tension and violence including at least one shooting. Nothing like what would have gone on if blacks had been one of the groups, but it wasn't all peaceful harmony.

    In general, while I side with you in your distaste for the more virulent forms of anti-Hispanic bigotry, I think you go overboard in the opposite direction. They're not perfectly assimilable (sp?), and particularly not in the quantities that they've been arriving in.

    I'll even go so far as to speculate that you tend to defend them because first, they don't threaten you personally in any way -- you'd sing a different tune if you were a carpenter! Second, they are indeed hard-working, (literally) small and non-threatening, and usually docile and respectful of (your) wealth and power. These aren't criticisms of you so much as suggestions that perhaps your attitude inevitably owes something to your position -- as is true of all of us.

    ‘Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks…’

    Meh. That’s somewhat exaggerated. If we got rid of all blacks, things would be massively improved — but they wouldn’t become all sweetness and light.

    Well, I was only slightly exaggerating. If you haven’t already, you might want to take a look at my big Race/Crime article from a few years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    One of my most remarkable findings was that when you analyze the violent crime rates across all of America’s cities over the last 25 years, you discover that the correlation with the percentage of the black population closely approaches unity, ranking it as among the highest correlations ever found in the social sciences. Put another way, to a good approximation the only factor that determines an American city’s violent crime rate is the relative size of the local black population:

    Several of America’s most eminent social scientists were absolutely stunned by my finding, which I’d been casually aware of for many, many years.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Martin Luther
    what is the "correlation" between or among factors like POVERTY, income levels, UNemployment and crime with the fact of being BLACK???? DEM black cities? FAILED schools???what is the correlation between crime and IMMIGRATION status within the "hispanic" population...will and ILLegal latino (deportation) commit as much crime as a legal/USA BORN latinos? IF you were an illegal Latino working in the USA to support your family back in your home country would you commit crimes???? AND be extremely careful intragenerational factors fro ALL populations???
  108. anon[694] • Disclaimer says:

    So basically Unz’s whole point is SV is against Alt-right because they are much more multicultural and do not see the threat.

    I don’t think Unz is being honest here. The real issue here is SV has been taken over by Jews just like Wall Street, Hollywood, K Street, DNC, the media, academia and judiciary. Jews go whole hog embracing multiculturalism because it benefits them in at least 3 ways, 1) in a nation of all Christian whites, Jews are at the bottom of the totem pole, but when surrounded by all non-whites, they are suddenly “white” by comparison, 2) they are no longer the only out group, hence “safer”, and 3) they like cheap labor.

    When Jews take over an institution/industry, they invariably run it to the ground through their greed, dishonesty and lack of self-restraint, and the best way to hide all that moral degeneracy is through loud virtue signaling. The book Brotopia talks about the drugs, sex, and moral degeneracy of SV approaching the level of Hollywood. We can even see this through the shows produced by Netflix and Amazon, SV and Hollywood are converging. And with the hiring of Obama admin people and financing by Wall Street run private equity, SV is converging with Hollywood, DC and Wall Street. This always happens when Jews are in charge. Hitting out at alt-right is just virtue signaling to cover up their own moral degeneracy.

    In addition, cheap labor is the lifeblood of the tech industry. Tech plantation owners from Gates to Zuckerberg, Bezos to Jewgle to Tim Cook need their cheap code coolies. Even though they hire no more than 5,000 blue badge employees a year between these top 5 firms, they employ hundreds of thousands of contingent staff through consulting agencies like Infosys, TCS, Wipro, who hire all their code coolies from India, China, Philippines and elsewhere. Trump’s “America First” agenda could put a hamper on that cheap code coolie pipeline, though Trump’s been all talk and no walk on this front and has done nothing to stop the H1b, OPT, L1, B1 hirings, we know Jews are a paranoid lot. Zuckerberg and Jewgle guys need a few more billions to keep up with Bezos.

    One must ask why white males in the tech industry who are increasingly losing jobs to cheap foreign workers willingly join in on this assault of the alt-right, against their self-interest. My experience from hanging out with them is they are either so dumb they bought in on all this virtue signaling, or are part of the large stock holder class and want to profit off the cheap labor themselves, or both.

    • Replies: @CalDre

    1) in a nation of all Christian whites, Jews are at the bottom of the totem pole, but when surrounded by all non-whites, they are suddenly “white” by comparison
     
    lol, Jews did quite well in Europe during the Middle Ages, when all but Jews were forced to convert to Christianity (i.e., they were the only "minority"), and are still doing quite well there now. And by doing quite well, I mean, the average Jew was vastly better off than the average Christian.

    2) they are no longer the only out group, hence “safer”
     
    It's quite true that Jews have ruthlessly exploited other minorities - notably African-Americans in the US - to advance their own identity politics, but, I don't see how that makes them safer. Aggressive, domineering, aberrational behavior can you get in trouble anywhere at any time, and Jews are notorious for absolutely refusing to assimilate - indeed that is their defining characteristic (Jews have always been free to assimilate wherever they have lived, whether in Christian or Muslim countries, it's just that unlike everyone else, they adamantly refuse because of their belief in their own superiority, which is precisely the belief which gets them in "trouble" over time).

    3) they like cheap labor.
     
    Right, as if White and Black America weren't flocking to Walmart (the China distribution center) in the 80s and 90s while America was being de-industrialized. Everyone likes cheap labor, i.e., everyone likes "more".

    When Jews take over an institution/industry, they invariably run it to the ground through their greed, dishonesty and lack of self-restraint
     
    I don't see how this is a peculiarly Jewish trait. What have Europeans done with their institutions? What has the Catholic Church done? What of the crimes of the nobility during feudalism, which mirror those of slavery? What rulers who have great power don't abuse it? The only thing I would note that is particularly Jewish about the US corruption is that Jews put themselves above criticism with their "anti-Semitic" bullshit, which is enough reason to hate every single Jew who uses that epithet to advance Jewish power and corruption (which, unfortunately, is a quite large majority of self-identified Jews).

    We can even see this through the shows produced by Netflix and Amazon
     
    Of course the Christians pay for this degeneracy. It's hardly fair to blame those who produce trash, when they get rich off it, and absolve those who buy it, thus creating the demand and reward. Note in this and virtually every other case of degeneracy, the First Amendment (as interpreted by the Black Robed Satanic Dictatorship) is the enemy of decency and edification.

    they hire no more than 5,000 blue badge employees a year between these top 5 firms
     
    I don't know where you get this stat, but the fact is programming is an international language. If you had two equally competent employees, one demanding $150,000 per year and another $15,000 per year, who would you hire (imagine doing it now, with your money). I've been in that position myself, I never minded hiring foreign programmers (though I generally chose Eastern European ones). Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews; even if there were not a single Jew in the US or the world, this would be happening in the internet world.
  109. Dear Sir: I often times read/listen/view the opinions of some of the FEW ill-labeled ALT-Right media. I even listen to Dr David Duke, althought one may find some of his ideas objcetonable nevertheless HE is not the evil incarnation that the MSM make him out to be. In fact Dr. Duke seems a reasonable intellectual worthy of debate, attention,etc. I would bet you that IF the PUBLIC were allowed to make their OWN choices as is their Constitutional democracy in the FREE market of ideas Dr. Duke would be one of the leading voices of American political debate. I do not think for a minute that allowing Dr. Duke, Dr. Kevin McDonald, and even mainstream moderates like Hanson Davis, Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson, and other that may be calssified as alt right voices would in any way cause a racial civil war quite the contrary, any topic debated openly, reasonable, UNcensored debate allows reasonable people, even deplorables to speak, write, analyze the issues and I am convinced that ultimately some shades of truth will emerge and charlatans both in the MSM/ALtRight will be dismissed and people as often the case will move towards the middle, center. modera positions. Sometimes what cause violence is CENSORSHIP, and what the MSM, Antifa, LEFT<dem academics are doing is outright FASCISM, totalitarian idelogical dictatosrhip…Unfourtunately ALL voices are under threat from the Kosher Inquistion, ANTIsemitism is the nuclear trigger that silences ALL debate…why??? And please not everything is well in placid California, poverty, homelessness, intraracial conflicts (schools), Most people in California are not part of the Sillicon Valley Elite earning millions, quite able to secure their standards of living in healtl education, POLICING, etc. And will postponed the dabte surrounding LIBERAL racism…they love minorities BUT not in their neighborhoods, equipped with video surveillances, drones, private patrols,…whatvere we think of the ALT Right as lunatics, conspiracy theotries well they MUST be given their space as other are also IF MSM tolerares pornographers, pedo advocates, same sex toilets, public (adult/child) nudity, legalizing drugs, atheists, satanists, eugenicists, why not the ALT/TRight?????? will that be the end of the world?

  110. @Carlton Meyer
    Per Hispanic crime rates, we are told people are fleeing Honduras because of high-crime rates. The US State Department warns:

    "Since 2010, Honduras has had one of the highest murder rates in the world. Credit card skimming is common. Many people report receiving threatening phone calls or extortion attempts, especially during Christmas and Easter holidays. Gangs are not reluctant to use violence and specialize in murder-for-hire, carjacking, extortion, and other violent street crime. They are also known to control some of the taxi services. Violent transnational criminal organizations also conduct narcotics trafficking and other illicit commerce."

    https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23798

    So who thinks crossing the US border makes them all saints? Wanted criminals are wise to head north to cross the US border. Those released from prison have records and face police harassment and employment problems, so heading north also makes sense. Any immigrant who arrives penniless will steal what they can to survive. That's why a focus on Hispanic crime rates is misleading. Stats on impoverished illegal immigrant crimes rates of any race would be shocking, but are not publicized for that reason.

    If you want a graphic display of Hispanic crime, just look at the current LAPD most wanted list to learn why whites fear Hispanic crime.

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    As President Trump noted, illegal immigrants are not the best from Latin American nations, but the worst, the unwanted. Latin American nations have shipped their unwanteds to the USA for decades. Our media ignored the recent "caravans" from Central America arrived at the USA on chartered buses, paid for by Mexicans. They are furious that North Americans want this dumping stopped. So is Mr. Reed, who doesn't want these surplus people filling the streets in his nice Mexican retirement town where he lives like king off his monthly government checks from the USA.

    If you want a graphic display of Hispanic crime, just look at the current LAPD most wanted list to learn why whites fear Hispanic crime.

    http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Awesome. Now Unz can shut up about Hispanics being wrongly blamed for crimes.

  111. @jack daniels
    I have some minor quibbles with Mr. Unz's piece (there are indeed many Mexicans in West Virginia and their arrival coincides with the fentanyl epidemic according to a WVA woman I know) but my main point is that anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, and even anti-black rhetoric is a "sublimation" of resentment of changes in society that are mostly the doing of Jews. Since it is too dangerous to criticize Jews there is a tendency to blame Muslims or other less powerful minorities e.g. only an already marginal commentator will raise the issue of a Jew complaining about a Christmas display but it's acceptable to make a fuss about the rare Muslim who complains. After this habit gets ingrained people start to think that it really IS Muslims or Hindus who are responsible for ending the Christmas concert or banning CS Lewis books when it's nearly always Jews.

    I have some minor quibbles with Mr. Unz’s piece (there are indeed many Mexicans in West Virginia

    Well, I’ll admit I was being a little rhetorical. But according to the Census, West Virginia is only 1.6% Hispanic and California is almost 40%, meaning we have about 500x as many. So I do think it’s just a small exaggeration to say that most people in WV have “almost no contact” with Mexicans.

    but my main point is that anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, and even anti-black rhetoric is a “sublimation” of resentment of changes in society that are mostly the doing of Jews. Since it is too dangerous to criticize Jews there is a tendency to blame Muslims or other less powerful minorities e.g. only an already marginal commentator will raise the issue of a Jew complaining about a Christmas display but it’s acceptable to make a fuss about the rare Muslim who complains. After this habit gets ingrained people start to think that it really IS Muslims or Hindus who are responsible for ending the Christmas concert or banning CS Lewis books when it’s nearly always Jews.

    LOL!! I’d never realized that the Foxtards had now started blaming Muslims for America’s 50-year “War on Christianity,” but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised and your social analysis is exactly correct.

    One of the really amusing aspects is that Muslims actually consider Jesus as the Holy Prophet of God and Muhammed’s immediate predecessor, and regard insults against him as the worst form of blaspheme, which Islamic Fundamentalists would probably punish by death. Muslims even accept the Virgin Birth. Meanwhile, Jews regard Jesus as about the vilest man who ever lived, condemned to spend eternity suffering in a boiling vat of excrement.

    Another similar example of this “sublimation” even more relevant to this thread is the ridiculous way most rightwingers discuss crime. Based on all available evidence, Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age, while black crime rates are so horrifically high they almost entirely determine the overall crime rates of any American city or locality (see my other comment upthread).

    But since discussing black crime is “racist” and will get you banned from the media, nearly all rightwingers are too scared to touch it with a ten-foot pole and instead make up the most ridiculous sort of nonsense about Hispanic or immigrant crime. That’s where all the Ann Coulter/Donald Trump nonsense about “killers and rapists” swarming across the border comes from. Meanwhile, to prove he wasn’t “racist,” Trump just endorsed that bill apparently letting huge numbers of serious criminals out of American prisons.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    Let's be real here. Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate. Central and South American countries have some of the highest murder rates in the world. They are utter hellholes. The fact that the US government calls Mestizos and every other non-European they can "White" for the purpose of obfuscating the crime rates in the US doesn't change this fact. It doesn't matter that blacks are overall generally the worst.

    Letting these people in is more crime that can be prevented by not letting them in. In any case, they all have their own countries. If they're really as great as you claim they are, why are their countries all such toilet bowls?
    , @Sir Launcelot Canning
    For what its worth, you are correct, Ron. I live in W.Va. and seldom see Hispanics. And I live in a "city" (at least by W.Va. standards).
    , @jack daniels
    I'm glad you agree with my "sublimation" idea. I was thinking one could write an article about the parallel between sublimation and Gresham's Law. Issues that are less threatening to talk about are generally less worth talking about but get talked about in preference to the latter because they signal the same general outlook to the same audience at lower cost to the speaker. Another example I noticed in the 90s is the Republican politician who fears to take a strong pro-life stance and tries to make up for it by taking a strong stance in favor of the death penalty (ironically enough!)
  112. @Ron Unz

    ‘Well, in America the rarely-admitted truth is that virtually all interracial violence involves blacks…’

    Meh. That’s somewhat exaggerated. If we got rid of all blacks, things would be massively improved — but they wouldn’t become all sweetness and light.
     
    Well, I was only slightly exaggerating. If you haven't already, you might want to take a look at my big Race/Crime article from a few years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    One of my most remarkable findings was that when you analyze the violent crime rates across all of America's cities over the last 25 years, you discover that the correlation with the percentage of the black population closely approaches unity, ranking it as among the highest correlations ever found in the social sciences. Put another way, to a good approximation the only factor that determines an American city's violent crime rate is the relative size of the local black population:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ViolentCrimesCities250k.jpg

    Several of America's most eminent social scientists were absolutely stunned by my finding, which I'd been casually aware of for many, many years.

    what is the “correlation” between or among factors like POVERTY, income levels, UNemployment and crime with the fact of being BLACK???? DEM black cities? FAILED schools???what is the correlation between crime and IMMIGRATION status within the “hispanic” population…will and ILLegal latino (deportation) commit as much crime as a legal/USA BORN latinos? IF you were an illegal Latino working in the USA to support your family back in your home country would you commit crimes???? AND be extremely careful intragenerational factors fro ALL populations???

  113. @Brian Reilly
    Mr. Unz is a grouper swimming with sharks. He thinks "Hey, we are all fish, aren't we? Can't we all just get along? Yuo sardines (alt-right types) just need to be a little less stinky. Then these other fish will get along with you." Maybe he is right. More likely is that he is nice, smart, and clueless. He simply does not see what is going on. Like way too many well-meaning types. If he is wrong on the National Question (as defined by Peter Brimelo), as I am pretty sure he is, he and his children will find out the hard way, and too late.

    that’s about it.

    Unz is a righteous Jew, and thus can “get along” with Whites.

    the Sanhedrin, however, has other ideas. Encapsulated by

    Sontag’s “White Race is the Cancer of human History”,

    a perspective since shared by many other public Jews: Wattenberg, Ignatiev, Wise, Soros, etc. etc.

    (((they))) intend to extinct us, and

    are doing so by collapsing the White birthrate (legalized abortion, porn, sexperv, and Judeo-feminism)

    and Judeo-globalist open-borders ethnorc insourcing.

    @Unz: where does it end? When Whites are down to 30%? 20%? 10%? or 0% of the population?

    if organized Jewry continues to have its way, it ends at…0%.

  114. @Nicholas Stix
    Tim Wise is not a Jew. I know he's lied about it, but he's not. Besides, what doesn't he lie about?

    Aside from that and your mistaken belief that the Juden unser Unglück sind, your comment was excellent.

    Tim Wise is not a Jew. I know he’s lied about it, but he’s not. Besides, what doesn’t he lie about?

    By his own admission he considers himself Jewish and based on his professed animus towards whites and anti-white activism I’ll take him at his word. Moreover, I’m not aware of any prominent Jews or Jewish groups who have challenged his claim, so it would appear they consider him one of their own as well.

    Obviously with your good work acknowledging and documenting black on white crimes you are an exception and the anti-Tim Wise. As is Ron Unz with this site and for being one of the most tolerant and possibly the most tolerant moderator on the internet.

  115. @apollonian
    [You have already been told that bizarre use of unorthodox grammar or spelling (e.g. u, u're, urself), especially in content-free rants, will greatly reduce the likelihood of your comments being published. This is your final warning.]

    With "Colin Wright" "Alt-right (Or Anyone) Doesn't Need Enemies, Suckers

    Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.
     
    What?--first of all, it's holohoax, nothing else. And WHO would be "convinced" holohoax "happened substantially as advertised..."?--absolutely NO ONE, but a satanic liar, that's who, the purpose being to besmirch heroic German people who fought so brilliantly against Jew-Bolshevik murderers, which Jew-bolsheviki had already shown themselves as mass-murderers in Ukraine in 1932-3, before NSDAP took power and which heroic German people really were mass-exterminated by Jews, Eisenhower (who was a Jew), and their satanic suck-alongs of the West, Jew S A, and UK.

    Think about it--anyone who'd lie about holohoax, as above quote, would probably deny millions of Germans were mass-murdered, as by starvation and disease during and after WWII, according to evidence by James Bacque, deny the holodomor of Ukraine, and deny the Armenian mass-murders by the Donmeh crypto descendents of Jew messiah, Sabbatai Zevi, who'd taken control of Turkey--they'd also deny that holohoax is deliberately pushed by Jews-media and public edjumacation establishment as way of masking and justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestine--as well as everywhere else, presently, in Western world. Good gravy.

    Seriously: just ask urself what sort of psychopathic, lying filth would blithely say such thing (quoted, above)?

    But that's not the end, next we get this gem:

    plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    Isn't it OBVIOUS that there's alternative to the idiot suggestion of the quote?--that calling spade spade, and that holohoax is simply satanic lying, is really and truly simply standing up for truth and against satanic lying?

    Observe how the moron drones blithely on,

    ...but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    No sucker, only one who'd do that would be purest, most worthless COWARD, suck-along w. satanists and Jews, Jews the REAL problem, the worst enemies of all humanity, justly hated by all races and cultures, all throughout history.

    So we see Unz, the Jew, setting things up for such cowardly, craven, satanic lies, like holohoax, and gross, utter COMPROMISE for those whom Unz patronizingly pretends to want to "helping" or advising, or counseling--good grief. For with people like "Colin Wright," whose probably either Jew or homosexual (or both), no Christian or "alt-right" or any gentile of any self-respect needs enemies.

    So this is what Unz's website is all about, is it?--the compromising and subverting of the general patriot, "nationalist" movement?--by means of moronic crap like this fm "Colin Wright"?

    Comrades, if we're ANY kind of self-respecting humans, we must stand for TRUTH, the original Christian ideal (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)--and holohoax is dead give-away for the very most deadly SATANIC problem and affliction, this putrid, namby-pamby, limp-wristed sort of lying and corruption as "Colin Wright," who imagines humanity is soooo stupid as to just let it pass by--like Unz does, we see.

    Unz, u fool, don't u realize "Colin Wright" has exposed u?--compromised u?--absolutely reduced u to abject, comical, and moronic absurd? U censor an honest person like me, but u blandly publish this complete dweeb, "Colin Wright," and expect it to just get along?

    Now we get to the REAL Unz, don't we?--for what kind of person, in the first place, is willing to be known as "Jew," Unz, tell us--especially w. the OBVIOUS Talmudic connection and implications. Don't tell us u're not "religious," Unz, as this idiot "atheism" (or whatever) is well-known and classic stratagem, which atheism itself is mere religion all its own--no one can or ever has PROVEN there's no God, sucker. And yet to insist there isn't (any God) w. the sort of emotion and steadfastness atheists (almost always Jews) typically display is just an analogous kind of religious conviction and comportment.

    For if u're truly "atheist," then why would u call urself "Jew"? Isn't ur racial association quite "religious" in itself? U're willing to be known as Jew--even though so many people hate Jews?--Jews notorious objects of hatred, revulsion, fear, suspicion, question, etc.

    We gentiles and Christians have ALWAYS hated Jews, Unz--can't u finally figure that out? Christian religion is necessarily anti-semitic as Judaism and Talmud are blatant ANTI-THESIS, even in the classic Hegelian style, to Christian truth ideal. Even before the Christians, u Jews were particularly hated by gentiles, including esp. the Greeks in their rationalist tradition, who also held TRUTH as foremost ideal.

    Even if u pretend u're atheist and "not religious," fact remains u, simply as Jew, preach tolerance of those Talmudistics of ur racial/genetic relation WHO ARE "religious." So u can't get away fm the problem of ur hypocrisy, on the one hand not willing to own to the Talmud, yet pretending it's okay to be related genetically, not regretting the Talmud--because u KNOW it would be TREASON to ur people, including the religious--which repudiation u're not willing to assume. By calling urself "Jew," Unz, u repudiate humanity.

    Unz: face the hard facts, buddy: if u're Jew, u're no friend or even fellow of any gentiles or human beings. Regardless anything else, u're simply a "Trojan Horse," an "ice-breaker," as it were, for fellow Jews who ARE "religious" and Talmudic, even if it were possible u weren't--u can't deny it--not in reason or truth. Entertaining "Colin Wright" is too much of a travesty and joke.

    “Holocaust Denial” is an incendiary term that will justify the unleashing of the Jewish SMR (Scalded Monkey Routine) response to such heresy and hatred. Many Jews “Deny the Holocaust”, and even a scintilla of scrutiny applied toward that topic opens up an entire chapter revealing its origins: War Atrocity Propaganda. As the Holocaust Industry slowly dispenses with the most ridiculous elements of that event, such as Human Soap, a leftover from WWI, along with lampshades made from Jewish Skin, Holocaust historians must feverishly revamp their published volumes and lecture content to keep up with the changes. Hilberg, for example, deleted references to his “Hitler Orders to Exterminate the Jews” published in his standard reference work “The Destruction of the European Jews” after confessing his inability to produce those orders during his testimony at the Zundel False News Trial in Canada. What goyim should know is that, during Zundel’s Appeal Trial, NONE of the witnesses, historians or prosecution experts would appear and testify under oath.

    (Can you say “Perjury”?…….)

    Truly, Holocaust Revisionism is akin to shooting Gefilte fish in a barrel, which is why the Industry has shifted their efforts toward government sanction and protection of that fairy tale.

    • Agree: apollonian
    • Replies: @Andre Citroen
    "Truly, Holocaust Revisionism is akin to shooting Gefilte fish in a barrel, which is why the Industry has shifted their efforts toward government sanction and protection of that fairy tale."

    I've never heard it put better. Brilliant! LOL
  116. @mark green
    Tim Wise is NOT Jewish? I think that you are mistaken about this. I had an exchange with Tim Wise and he says he's Jewish and I believe him. Considering his typical (((opinions))), Wise would probably have broader appeal and more credibility if indeed he was not a Jew. Thus I cannot see a reason why he would lie about his ethnic background. Here's my article (and exchange) with Tim Wise.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/30/my-smackdown-with-anti-white-crusader-tim-wise/

    Time Wise is Jewish in the paternal line.

    he ID’s as a Jew,

    and his murderously anti-White stance

    is definitively Jewish.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I think he’s doing it for money. First time I heard of him his speeches were advertised in Jewish community newspapers.
    He claimed to be s former neoNazi heavily involved in plans to kill Rabbis and burn down Jewish buildings. He repented and was now atoning for his sins by warning Jews about the coming Nazi takeover. His speeches weee sponsored by ADL
    It was a total lie of course. But millions of Jewish dollars poured into ADL
  117. @apollonian
    [You have already been told that bizarre use of unorthodox grammar or spelling (e.g. u, u're, urself), especially in content-free rants, will greatly reduce the likelihood of your comments being published. This is your final warning.]

    With "Colin Wright" "Alt-right (Or Anyone) Doesn't Need Enemies, Suckers

    Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.
     
    What?--first of all, it's holohoax, nothing else. And WHO would be "convinced" holohoax "happened substantially as advertised..."?--absolutely NO ONE, but a satanic liar, that's who, the purpose being to besmirch heroic German people who fought so brilliantly against Jew-Bolshevik murderers, which Jew-bolsheviki had already shown themselves as mass-murderers in Ukraine in 1932-3, before NSDAP took power and which heroic German people really were mass-exterminated by Jews, Eisenhower (who was a Jew), and their satanic suck-alongs of the West, Jew S A, and UK.

    Think about it--anyone who'd lie about holohoax, as above quote, would probably deny millions of Germans were mass-murdered, as by starvation and disease during and after WWII, according to evidence by James Bacque, deny the holodomor of Ukraine, and deny the Armenian mass-murders by the Donmeh crypto descendents of Jew messiah, Sabbatai Zevi, who'd taken control of Turkey--they'd also deny that holohoax is deliberately pushed by Jews-media and public edjumacation establishment as way of masking and justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestine--as well as everywhere else, presently, in Western world. Good gravy.

    Seriously: just ask urself what sort of psychopathic, lying filth would blithely say such thing (quoted, above)?

    But that's not the end, next we get this gem:

    plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    Isn't it OBVIOUS that there's alternative to the idiot suggestion of the quote?--that calling spade spade, and that holohoax is simply satanic lying, is really and truly simply standing up for truth and against satanic lying?

    Observe how the moron drones blithely on,

    ...but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    No sucker, only one who'd do that would be purest, most worthless COWARD, suck-along w. satanists and Jews, Jews the REAL problem, the worst enemies of all humanity, justly hated by all races and cultures, all throughout history.

    So we see Unz, the Jew, setting things up for such cowardly, craven, satanic lies, like holohoax, and gross, utter COMPROMISE for those whom Unz patronizingly pretends to want to "helping" or advising, or counseling--good grief. For with people like "Colin Wright," whose probably either Jew or homosexual (or both), no Christian or "alt-right" or any gentile of any self-respect needs enemies.

    So this is what Unz's website is all about, is it?--the compromising and subverting of the general patriot, "nationalist" movement?--by means of moronic crap like this fm "Colin Wright"?

    Comrades, if we're ANY kind of self-respecting humans, we must stand for TRUTH, the original Christian ideal (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)--and holohoax is dead give-away for the very most deadly SATANIC problem and affliction, this putrid, namby-pamby, limp-wristed sort of lying and corruption as "Colin Wright," who imagines humanity is soooo stupid as to just let it pass by--like Unz does, we see.

    Unz, u fool, don't u realize "Colin Wright" has exposed u?--compromised u?--absolutely reduced u to abject, comical, and moronic absurd? U censor an honest person like me, but u blandly publish this complete dweeb, "Colin Wright," and expect it to just get along?

    Now we get to the REAL Unz, don't we?--for what kind of person, in the first place, is willing to be known as "Jew," Unz, tell us--especially w. the OBVIOUS Talmudic connection and implications. Don't tell us u're not "religious," Unz, as this idiot "atheism" (or whatever) is well-known and classic stratagem, which atheism itself is mere religion all its own--no one can or ever has PROVEN there's no God, sucker. And yet to insist there isn't (any God) w. the sort of emotion and steadfastness atheists (almost always Jews) typically display is just an analogous kind of religious conviction and comportment.

    For if u're truly "atheist," then why would u call urself "Jew"? Isn't ur racial association quite "religious" in itself? U're willing to be known as Jew--even though so many people hate Jews?--Jews notorious objects of hatred, revulsion, fear, suspicion, question, etc.

    We gentiles and Christians have ALWAYS hated Jews, Unz--can't u finally figure that out? Christian religion is necessarily anti-semitic as Judaism and Talmud are blatant ANTI-THESIS, even in the classic Hegelian style, to Christian truth ideal. Even before the Christians, u Jews were particularly hated by gentiles, including esp. the Greeks in their rationalist tradition, who also held TRUTH as foremost ideal.

    Even if u pretend u're atheist and "not religious," fact remains u, simply as Jew, preach tolerance of those Talmudistics of ur racial/genetic relation WHO ARE "religious." So u can't get away fm the problem of ur hypocrisy, on the one hand not willing to own to the Talmud, yet pretending it's okay to be related genetically, not regretting the Talmud--because u KNOW it would be TREASON to ur people, including the religious--which repudiation u're not willing to assume. By calling urself "Jew," Unz, u repudiate humanity.

    Unz: face the hard facts, buddy: if u're Jew, u're no friend or even fellow of any gentiles or human beings. Regardless anything else, u're simply a "Trojan Horse," an "ice-breaker," as it were, for fellow Jews who ARE "religious" and Talmudic, even if it were possible u weren't--u can't deny it--not in reason or truth. Entertaining "Colin Wright" is too much of a travesty and joke.

    lol, good rant

    • Replies: @apollonian
    Thanks, buddy--I must be careful how I spell, hoho ho ho. I hope people will tell Unz he's not being accurate about grammar, or "content-free," and he's obviously just setting-up excuse for his censorship--which censorship is precisely what he pretends to be speaking against in this thread, notice? Take care.
  118. OT:

    looks like we on the right actually shamed the state of Texas into labeling the beaners on their Ten Most Wanted Criminals as “White (Hispanic)” now instead of the usual Gomez’s, Gonzalez, Ramirez etc being called “White”

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    notice 8 out of 10 hispanic, 9 out of 10 non-white

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    Incredible. Brown as a sand dune, heavily Mexican features, and yet still they claim White with (Hispanic) in parenthesis.

    I wonder if these "White guys" would get turned down if they applied for MOB set asides on government contracts?
  119. @Ron Unz

    Do you think some of what you are saying is due to a selection bias? Many of the people who were against illegal immigration voted with their feet once the courts overruled propositions voted at the ballot box meant to curtail the deluge.
     
    Probably, but only to a very limited extent. A considerable portion of the white working-class has been driven out to other states by economic competition from immigrants, and lots of higher-paid workers left after the collapse of the aerospace industrial after the end of the Cold War. Housing is so ridiculously expensive that lots of younger whites have to move away to other states to buy homes, and older whites eventually sell their small homes here for a million or two million and retire elsewhere.

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of "mass exodus."

    I myself will shortly be leaving Mexifornia: in Santa Barbara, my current domicile (and a B’nai Brith/ADL-ruled sanctuary city) c. 2/3 of the population no longer speaks English…or shares my values. So it is now a mass

    exodus.

    and it’s accelerating rapidly.

    the White population of Mexifornia will be c. 25% by the mid-2020’s

    and thereafter decline precipitously.

    • Replies: @David Baker
    The reason for the decline you cite will not be due to White Flight. Liberals are waving illegals into the country who not only vote, but they attach themselves to social programs, and bring with them the attitudes and political ideologies that made their own countries toilets. Mr. Unz ran for Governor of California (Actually, I would have voted for him!) His opposition to Proposition 187, which in part would have relieved Californians from underwriting funding to support illegal aliens, seems like a dichotomy, due to support for that measure coming in large part from Mexican Americans who went through the process of legally attaining U.S. Citizenship. There's another dichotomy apparent among the liberal camp, as they campaign to increase the illegal alien population: They cite a very famous farm worker named Cesar Chavez as their poster child for these struggling people. Like everything else in the Puffy Lip environment, they didn't realize Chavez himself despised illegal aliens. (You have to chuckle when Abraham Lincoln is canonized by liberals for freeing the black slaves. Lincoln wanted those people out of the U.S. His political campaign speech could have been the original Ku Klux Klan Manifesto.)

    Our state needs sane and competent leadership. It is unfortunate that we don't have enough sane and competent voters to elect them.
  120. anon[694] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Highlands
    Math is a universal language and the personality of those who are good at it is, in the great ocean of human variation, a near-uniform personality. In Silicon Valley, it doesn't matter if only 1 in 1,000 blacks can program, it only matters that many of those who can, live there. But if Silicon Valley people are this easily deluded about how the other 99.9% of humanity works, their power needs to be vastly reduced. Hence the movement to break up Big Tech.

    Bravo. It’s sad but it’s how liberals think, because they are all heart and no brain. I know of family members who casually know of a Muslim or two and instantly came to the conclusion that all Muslims are good people. They went hysterical over Trump’s “Muslim ban” because, gosh darn, “We have Muslim friends!” Even though they really don’t know a damn thing about said friend, he could be a wife beater, or have several wives, fund Al Qaeda, have family members who joined ISIS, they wouldn’t know. But they know all Muslims are good people because Muhammad always says hello at the water cooler.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    " But they know all Muslims are good people because Muhammad always says hello at the water cooler."

    That's pretty much it. Inference based on a tiny, unrepresentative sample size. The nice Turkish guy (who grew up in Istanbul and who is relatively westernized) is now the exemplar of rural Syrians, Kurds, Afghans or Pakis. They are all the same, just people with slightly different beliefs and skin tones.

    I've actually had a fun time bonding with Muslims at work. I find a way to point out the overwhelming Jewish dominance in the tech sector, thereby signalling that I am not a typical leftie. Then follow with some comments about what Israel is currently doing.

    Many of the Silicon Valley muslims are seething at the way they have to be gay/trans/etc friendly at work, and even such indignities as having people bring dogs to work. All you have to do is start complaining about Jews and their perversion of morality and you'll get to know the REAL Muhammed, Achmed or Kemal pretty quickly.

    , @anon
    i have a good muslim (well, not really, he's secular but of pakistani origin) deported and i still support the muslim ban because i live in a neighborhood where they had to add arabic to the public school's "sign your kid up for kindergarten" sign. i'm totally sure muhammed, eyasu, javier, and aiden get along just fine...
  121. @anon
    lol, good rant

    Thanks, buddy–I must be careful how I spell, hoho ho ho. I hope people will tell Unz he’s not being accurate about grammar, or “content-free,” and he’s obviously just setting-up excuse for his censorship–which censorship is precisely what he pretends to be speaking against in this thread, notice? Take care.

  122. @War for Blair Mountain
    Senator John F Kennedy was directly involved in “airlifting” Barack Obama Senior into 90 percent Native Born White America...with a 100,000 dollar educational grant...

    You didn’t know this...did you......you god dam RETARD worshippers of JFK...

    What do you JFK worshippers glue your JFK pinup boy posters to the wall with? What precious bodily fluids do you use?

    This is why the Native Born White American Working Class was voted into a White Racial Foreigner and White Racial Minority within the borders of California....you can thank your pinup boy JFK for this....

    There is a substantial difference between worshiping JFK and recognizing Israel’s responsibility for his murder.

  123. @Hail
    (1) This is a strawman. No one has constructed an entire case on the assertion that 'Hispanic' crime rates are x% higher than non-Hispanic crime rates (anyway, they are certainly higher than a "White, Vermont" baseline ideal to which the USA was once not far off).

    (2) There are many good 'Hispanics' just as there are many good Blacks, but in population terms they are a liability to a (post-)industrial White, Northwest-European-derived society. Our society becomes racially incoherent, culturally Latin Americanized.

    (3) The term we should be using is "Mestizos," which may never catch on. A population with a substantial share of Amerindian ancestry will be a liability; true, non-euphemistic 'White Hispanics' much less so. The problem with the latter is they "go Vicente Fox" and become vectors of the Mestizo colonial enterprise in the USA.

    (4) Does anyone actually want a scenario by which there are more K-to-12-age Mestizos resident in the USA than White ethnic-core Americans (Northwest European), on target for circa the 2040s? Even if their crime rates were half those of the "White, Vermont baseline"?

    I was wanting to bring up that point. White Hispanics may as young men get up to some mischief, even serve time. But they are working class young white and Asian men’s rituals everywhere in the world. That is manageable. But of course one would rather working class Hispanics were not in large numbers living in the non Mexican historic areas. Can’t really hold it against them for living in the Mexican historic areas. It’s the Mestizo problem. I am sure but don’t know if you checked the racial descent of the vicious Hispanic gangs and random violence actors, you would see maybe even entirely they are Mestizos. The Caribean Hispanics are the black problem and should not be included with the American Hispanics. Of course, there are lovely Mestizos. But I think a good male Mestizo unless he is very intelligent must have an institutional support such as a Church.

  124. The piece is very….naive.
    Where to begin?
    You say that Alt-right figures exaggerate what it will be like when whites become a minority?
    And you cite California to support your thesis?
    Where to begin?
    I was robbed at gunpoint by mexican gang members.
    My car was totaled by a mexican illegal who gave me false information at the accident scene.
    My building was tagged up, “HATE WHITE PEOPLE HATE BLUE EYES.”
    I was fired from my job (by mexicans and blacks) and cheated out of my pension.

    But Ron says there is nothing to be worried about when whites become a minority.
    Thanks for the heads up.

  125. The hq of Apple is located in a city that has almost exactly 1/10th the proportion of Hispanics as does its enclosing California.

    Apple Park is the corporate headquarters of Apple Inc., located at 1 Apple Park Way in Cupertino, California

    Cupertino city, California [2017]
    Hispanic or Latino, percent … 3.9%

    California [2017]
    Hispanic or Latino, percent … 39.1%

  126. It isn’t only the Alt-right suffering censorship on the web. Anti War voices, people reporting alternative views on the middle east conflict have been censored. Anyone seriously questioning the “west’s” narrative on Russia is painted as Russian troll these days. The EU pushing forward draconian legislation regarding copyright law. Perhaps this is just more of the same; the rules of the MSM being pushed on the big web companies.

    Remember Amazon dropping hundreds of book titles recently. John Pilger can no longer publish articles in his old stomping grounds in “The Guardian”. Seymour Hersh is an outlaw these days and self proclaimed socialist Chris Hedges enjoys shelter on R.T.

    Yes, perhaps the final decisions about disappering sites or blogs are made in Silicone Valley but I find it unlikely the personal experiences of the people running these companies makes much difference. After all they are running multi billion dollar enterprises laying golden eggs and at the same time are under serious political pressure both in the U.S. and abroad. They have a lot to loose if they don’t play ball and since the business model for most of them is harvesting private information from the public to sell to their advertisers – ideological issues like free speech are hardly high on the priority list. Disappering few bad apples mumbling about controversial issues is just the cost of doing business.

    As for the “Alt-Right” – I honestly don’t get it after year on unz.com If Charlottesville is any indication the “Alt-Right” is a dead horse. A political impossibility not realizing – when in a hole – stop digging. As a movement it needs total reform. Red-pilling the rest of the population about ww2 or some long passed historical issues isn’t going to work. New plan is needed – but the real question is – does the ALt-Right really deserve sympathy? I am not sure about that.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Do you even know what the Alt Right stands for? I don’t think you do...yet you criticize a movement you give no indication of understanding.

    SYSTEM wants 1)War with Christian Russia.....2)coast to coast demographic shift....3)homo-pederast norming of American Society.....The Alt Right is a revolt against this....perhaps you support 1)...2)....3)...?

    The SYSTEM is obviously very terrified of the Alt Right....that’s why it wages Police State repression against the Alt Right...... But why is the SYSTEM terrified of the Alt Right?

    , @BlackFlag
    Great point.
    For instance, Ryan Dawson doesn't rail against Latino crime. The only offensive things he does are to criticize Israel/US foreign policy and question the Holocaust and 9/11 in as far as I can tell a very even-handed way.
    Is this the kind of thing that looks insane to people in SV and why he's been purged from YouTube, Vimeo, etc.?
  127. @jack daniels
    My work brings me into contact with a lot of Latinos, many illegal I suspect. They seem perfectly nice and don't make me nervous. I do find myself nervous around some of the blacks, though in general they seem more pleasant than blacks of 50 years ago. White liberals must accept a good part of the blame for black anger, which they incent in many ways.
    It's not surprising that Latinos vote Democrat, given their economic status. As a social conservative I wish we had a populist party that was socially conservative, libertarian on speech, and economically friendly to the working class.

    The point is they’re foreign people who vote against the interests of the host population, which is proof positive that the entire stack of rhetoric and propaganda this all was sold on was lies. No one voted to bring these people in or consented to bringing them in, yet those worst affected receive no sympathy. Deaths from despair, literally the biggest ongoing genocides in history if this continues. No political representation whatsoever, either.

    When I think of white liberals you talk of but the hyperatomized libertarian LARP crowd really aren’t much different from, I think I can understand things like public executions and cheering crowds in the not-so-distant past for crimes of treason. No sense of the past, present or future. No solidarity with your own kind. No real investment in the future. Purely treasonous and mercenary. Whatever gets you the most money in the here and now, future costs be damned.

  128. @Ron Unz

    I have some minor quibbles with Mr. Unz’s piece (there are indeed many Mexicans in West Virginia
     
    Well, I'll admit I was being a little rhetorical. But according to the Census, West Virginia is only 1.6% Hispanic and California is almost 40%, meaning we have about 500x as many. So I do think it's just a small exaggeration to say that most people in WV have "almost no contact" with Mexicans.

    but my main point is that anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, and even anti-black rhetoric is a “sublimation” of resentment of changes in society that are mostly the doing of Jews. Since it is too dangerous to criticize Jews there is a tendency to blame Muslims or other less powerful minorities e.g. only an already marginal commentator will raise the issue of a Jew complaining about a Christmas display but it’s acceptable to make a fuss about the rare Muslim who complains. After this habit gets ingrained people start to think that it really IS Muslims or Hindus who are responsible for ending the Christmas concert or banning CS Lewis books when it’s nearly always Jews.
     
    LOL!! I'd never realized that the Foxtards had now started blaming Muslims for America's 50-year "War on Christianity," but I guess I shouldn't be surprised and your social analysis is exactly correct.

    One of the really amusing aspects is that Muslims actually consider Jesus as the Holy Prophet of God and Muhammed's immediate predecessor, and regard insults against him as the worst form of blaspheme, which Islamic Fundamentalists would probably punish by death. Muslims even accept the Virgin Birth. Meanwhile, Jews regard Jesus as about the vilest man who ever lived, condemned to spend eternity suffering in a boiling vat of excrement.

    Another similar example of this "sublimation" even more relevant to this thread is the ridiculous way most rightwingers discuss crime. Based on all available evidence, Hispanics have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age, while black crime rates are so horrifically high they almost entirely determine the overall crime rates of any American city or locality (see my other comment upthread).

    But since discussing black crime is "racist" and will get you banned from the media, nearly all rightwingers are too scared to touch it with a ten-foot pole and instead make up the most ridiculous sort of nonsense about Hispanic or immigrant crime. That's where all the Ann Coulter/Donald Trump nonsense about "killers and rapists" swarming across the border comes from. Meanwhile, to prove he wasn't "racist," Trump just endorsed that bill apparently letting huge numbers of serious criminals out of American prisons.

    Let’s be real here. Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate. Central and South American countries have some of the highest murder rates in the world. They are utter hellholes. The fact that the US government calls Mestizos and every other non-European they can “White” for the purpose of obfuscating the crime rates in the US doesn’t change this fact. It doesn’t matter that blacks are overall generally the worst.

    Letting these people in is more crime that can be prevented by not letting them in. In any case, they all have their own countries. If they’re really as great as you claim they are, why are their countries all such toilet bowls?

    • Replies: @CalDre

    Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate.
     
    What technically is "White" to you? Arabs are White, yet many Whites (despite denying Arabs are White) consider them to be especially violent (rightly or wrongly).

    Also, how do you measure murder rates? Consider WW II, which, at least in the European theater, was a war entirely between Whites in which 30 million or more were killed. How many years would it take S. America, with its current crime rates, to catch up to that tidy sum? Think of all the prior European wars, and the violence of feudalism.

    Perhaps if you tried to adjust for poverty and other factors you would find that these elements are more critical to crime rates than race. As a data point, consider crime rates in Russia during the Yeltsin years versus now, after economic stability has been restored, and consider the economic conditions in the high-crime Latin American areas. Indeed, go a step further, and compare Latin American crime rates over time against economic conditions for the lower classes over time.

    Here is another perspective: how many non-Whites have Whites murdered, if you count all of the wars and colonizations by White people? How many Native Americans, who greeted Columbus with flowers and gifts, were murdered and enslaved by him and his greedy criminal allies?

    Perhaps it can be said, that Whites are much more likely to commit collective, organized violence than other races?

    Anyway, I don't have all the answers, I just do know your comment is way over-simplistic.
    , @Ron Unz

    Let’s be real here. Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate.
     
    No, you are entirely incorrect. I actually dealt with this issue at considerable length in a detailed analysis published almost a decade ago, and all the subsequent data has strongly supported my conclusions:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    You've simply fallen for a (rightwing) media hoax, matching the numerous ones on the Left.
  129. @apollonian
    [You have already been told that bizarre use of unorthodox grammar or spelling (e.g. u, u're, urself), especially in content-free rants, will greatly reduce the likelihood of your comments being published. This is your final warning.]

    With "Colin Wright" "Alt-right (Or Anyone) Doesn't Need Enemies, Suckers

    Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren’t.
     
    What?--first of all, it's holohoax, nothing else. And WHO would be "convinced" holohoax "happened substantially as advertised..."?--absolutely NO ONE, but a satanic liar, that's who, the purpose being to besmirch heroic German people who fought so brilliantly against Jew-Bolshevik murderers, which Jew-bolsheviki had already shown themselves as mass-murderers in Ukraine in 1932-3, before NSDAP took power and which heroic German people really were mass-exterminated by Jews, Eisenhower (who was a Jew), and their satanic suck-alongs of the West, Jew S A, and UK.

    Think about it--anyone who'd lie about holohoax, as above quote, would probably deny millions of Germans were mass-murdered, as by starvation and disease during and after WWII, according to evidence by James Bacque, deny the holodomor of Ukraine, and deny the Armenian mass-murders by the Donmeh crypto descendents of Jew messiah, Sabbatai Zevi, who'd taken control of Turkey--they'd also deny that holohoax is deliberately pushed by Jews-media and public edjumacation establishment as way of masking and justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestine--as well as everywhere else, presently, in Western world. Good gravy.

    Seriously: just ask urself what sort of psychopathic, lying filth would blithely say such thing (quoted, above)?

    But that's not the end, next we get this gem:

    plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor — but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    Isn't it OBVIOUS that there's alternative to the idiot suggestion of the quote?--that calling spade spade, and that holohoax is simply satanic lying, is really and truly simply standing up for truth and against satanic lying?

    Observe how the moron drones blithely on,

    ...but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he’ll move hastily on.

     

    No sucker, only one who'd do that would be purest, most worthless COWARD, suck-along w. satanists and Jews, Jews the REAL problem, the worst enemies of all humanity, justly hated by all races and cultures, all throughout history.

    So we see Unz, the Jew, setting things up for such cowardly, craven, satanic lies, like holohoax, and gross, utter COMPROMISE for those whom Unz patronizingly pretends to want to "helping" or advising, or counseling--good grief. For with people like "Colin Wright," whose probably either Jew or homosexual (or both), no Christian or "alt-right" or any gentile of any self-respect needs enemies.

    So this is what Unz's website is all about, is it?--the compromising and subverting of the general patriot, "nationalist" movement?--by means of moronic crap like this fm "Colin Wright"?

    Comrades, if we're ANY kind of self-respecting humans, we must stand for TRUTH, the original Christian ideal (Gosp. JOHN 14:6)--and holohoax is dead give-away for the very most deadly SATANIC problem and affliction, this putrid, namby-pamby, limp-wristed sort of lying and corruption as "Colin Wright," who imagines humanity is soooo stupid as to just let it pass by--like Unz does, we see.

    Unz, u fool, don't u realize "Colin Wright" has exposed u?--compromised u?--absolutely reduced u to abject, comical, and moronic absurd? U censor an honest person like me, but u blandly publish this complete dweeb, "Colin Wright," and expect it to just get along?

    Now we get to the REAL Unz, don't we?--for what kind of person, in the first place, is willing to be known as "Jew," Unz, tell us--especially w. the OBVIOUS Talmudic connection and implications. Don't tell us u're not "religious," Unz, as this idiot "atheism" (or whatever) is well-known and classic stratagem, which atheism itself is mere religion all its own--no one can or ever has PROVEN there's no God, sucker. And yet to insist there isn't (any God) w. the sort of emotion and steadfastness atheists (almost always Jews) typically display is just an analogous kind of religious conviction and comportment.

    For if u're truly "atheist," then why would u call urself "Jew"? Isn't ur racial association quite "religious" in itself? U're willing to be known as Jew--even though so many people hate Jews?--Jews notorious objects of hatred, revulsion, fear, suspicion, question, etc.

    We gentiles and Christians have ALWAYS hated Jews, Unz--can't u finally figure that out? Christian religion is necessarily anti-semitic as Judaism and Talmud are blatant ANTI-THESIS, even in the classic Hegelian style, to Christian truth ideal. Even before the Christians, u Jews were particularly hated by gentiles, including esp. the Greeks in their rationalist tradition, who also held TRUTH as foremost ideal.

    Even if u pretend u're atheist and "not religious," fact remains u, simply as Jew, preach tolerance of those Talmudistics of ur racial/genetic relation WHO ARE "religious." So u can't get away fm the problem of ur hypocrisy, on the one hand not willing to own to the Talmud, yet pretending it's okay to be related genetically, not regretting the Talmud--because u KNOW it would be TREASON to ur people, including the religious--which repudiation u're not willing to assume. By calling urself "Jew," Unz, u repudiate humanity.

    Unz: face the hard facts, buddy: if u're Jew, u're no friend or even fellow of any gentiles or human beings. Regardless anything else, u're simply a "Trojan Horse," an "ice-breaker," as it were, for fellow Jews who ARE "religious" and Talmudic, even if it were possible u weren't--u can't deny it--not in reason or truth. Entertaining "Colin Wright" is too much of a travesty and joke.

    I’m hated and vilified by the Holocaust Deniers.

    Oh what to do, oh what to do?

    • Replies: @anon

    Oh what to do, oh what to do?
     
    stop pretending to be Alt-Right?
  130. Anonymous[978] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?
     
    Well, it all depends. Since California's current population is around 40 million and probably not much above 30% white European these days, I'd say it constitutes a pretty reasonable test-case.

    Now I was born in CA and have lived here nearly all of my life, so I think I have a pretty solid sense of things. I'd strongly argue that over the last fifty years some things have gotten better and some things have gotten worse, in complicated ways.

    I'd say that most of the things that have gotten better have been due to broader trends such as technological advances, with computers and the Internet being among the most important. Obviously, those same things have gotten better everywhere else in the US and the entire world. Another positive development has been the elimination of the smog that had been such a huge problem in the LA of the 1960s. Health care has gotten better for the same reason, but also much more ridiculously expensive, so it's a mixed bag, the same as everywhere else in the US.

    But if we're looking as changes/trends that are different in CA than in the rest of the US, I'd say that most things have gotten worse, especially quality of life. Traffic is certainly much worse and housing is ridiculously expensive, with the former problem substantially due to the latter, as a large fraction of the state's population has been pushed out into more distant and less desirable areas to live. These are universally recognized as two of the state's biggest problems, and extreme housing costs have also led to very high (adjusted) poverty rates, another huge problem. All of this is pretty much what you'd expect to happen as the CA population doubled from 20M to 40M on the same land area. Some of these problems are especially severe in the Silicon Valley areas.

    For example, here's a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America:

    https://game-leaks.com/shadow-of-homelessness-hangs-over-bay-area-students/

    Now immigration has obviously been a very large factor behind the doubling of the CA population, and since the latter has caused such a considerable decline in quality of life, it's perfectly reasonable to blame immigration for many of those problems. Basically, if you pack too many people inside a nice bus, it gets to be a serious problem.

    But I just don't see any evidence that the particular non-white racial skew of all those immigrants has been a major problem, at least over the last 15-20 years.

    Here's an absolutely crucial point that summarizes much of my position on that issue. During the late 1960s/early 1970s, California was about 80% white European and these days it's down to little more than 30%. Yet the degree of racially-tinged political conflict or violence back then was ***MASSIVELY*** greater than today. Indeed, I'd put it pretty close to zero in recent years. In fact, I'd say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here. That's simply a fact and you'd have a very hard time persuading sensible people who grew up here otherwise. (Pretty much the same is true for the huge decline in crime rates across most of the state.)

    Now I'd certainly agree that US immigration has been much too high in the last decade or two and should be substantially reduced, which would help alleviate all sorts of important problems.

    But based on the major California example, arguing for such reduction on racial grounds seems about the weakest possible argument to make. Since that's pretty obviously the underlying concern propelling so much of the agitated anti-immigration activists, perhaps that fact helps explain why they've had such total lack of success for decades.

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being "killers and rapists" just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    In 2018, the CA electorate was still 63% white, but the Trump/Republican immigration arguments didn't do very well here. The Republicans lost half their remaining Congressional seats and are now down to just 7(!) out of 55, while the Democrats gained 3/4ths(!) majorities in both houses of the State Legislature. So the views of the top Silicon Valley people aren't really all that totally different from the views of average CA whites.

    Suppose someone on the Internet was arguing that heavy immigration was causing all sorts of problems and should be reduced. Lots of people might say "Hmmm... Why do you think so?" But if the answer came back "Because lots of immigrants are actually werewolves and vampires!!!" I really doubt the fellow would have much success...

    Thank you once again Ron for keeping a laser like focus on the perils of legal immigration along with that of illegal immigration, which most people just discount as something innocuous. Replacing the upper middle class and the elite class of this country with someone from a low trust, dog eat dog culture like India and China will irreversibly change the character of our country as well as the direction it is going in. We see the terrible repercussions of importing high IQ and extremely low trust (with goyim out-groups) ashkenazi folk today.

    Granted China is miles ahead of India (which is way way more ethnocentric due to it’s myriad castes and competing groups treating eat other as out-groups) but still it is way too different from a Saxon perspective that provides Anglo-Saxon Europe and Anglo Saxon derived derived nations such high quality of life which is based on a high trust society

    Though we do differ on the role Hispanic or rather (to be precise) Mestizos are going to play in the country, there are at least agreements on the perils of legal immigration that you seem to understand well. That’s positive

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    competing groups treating eat other as out-groups
     
    You win the Sigmund Award for Best Typo of the Day!
  131. @Colin Wright
    I'm hated and vilified by the Holocaust Deniers.

    Oh what to do, oh what to do?

    Oh what to do, oh what to do?

    stop pretending to be Alt-Right?

    • LOL: apollonian
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'stop pretending to be Alt-Right?'

    Are you saying I'm not really one of the faithful?
  132. @Saxon
    Mestizo countries are probably the most violent and crime-ridden hellholes on the planet. Doubt you or Ron Unz would relish moving to live with the hoi polloi in Rio de Janeiro. You know what would be great? If the Fed gov was instead used a weapon against your type to settle a cross-section of Somalians in government-funded housing in your areas. See how well that goes for you.

    That's the thing, though. Ensconced in a bubble of the Silicon Shtetl, you don't need to see nor care about any of this. You still have enough wealth to pretend things are great by paying a premium to not live near the overwhelming majority of these non-Europeans and hey, maybe even some of the blacks and browns you live around are the talented 0.1% so aren't misery to be around. Great for you. The reality of course is a lot different for the white masses. Ron Unz lives in a highly segregated area where alien elites (mostly east Asian and Brahmin Indians) still tolerate whites but will move to get rid of them and give nepotistic gigs to Sundar Pichai's retarded cousin Pajeet who can't stop asking to show bobs and vegana as soon as possible, if it's not already happening.

    When whites are an absolute minority, we already know what we have to look forward to by looking at both South Africa today and what's happening in our countries now. Increasing violence against us, more gradual dispossession, more anti-white race laws and policies, intensifying affirmative action, quotas, set-asides that use Orwellian terminology like "legacy majority" or "majority-minority" "race-conscious admissions) and whatever else they come up with to claim this state of affairs MUST continue indefinitely until the last white man has been murdered or made by the government deciding the winners and losers into an invisible loser unable to attract his own group's women and then there are no more actual whites left, just as the jew writer Eric Kaufmann stated, a bunch of brown people who claim to be white and do a We Wuz The Founding Fathers, We Wuz Englishmen etc. mass of le 56% faces who "identify" with the people who actually created the now-decayed husk of a civilization.

    Worse is to come down the pipe, though. The various forms of redistribution from white to non-white can't continue apace indefinitely. So eventually those somewhat pacified Mestizos you think are so peaceful won't be getting as much free stuff to keep them in these better-than-where-they-came-from conditions and then it'll be just like any other central or south American shithole, except that the whites forced to live near them by the government deciding the winners and losers in life won't even be able to raise a finger in self-defense, and will be constantly chased down by government policies to forcibly "diversify" everywhere we live.

    I mean look at what's happening now, lawfare-instituted struggle sessions in the courtroom because someone pointed out that this banana-in-a-noose thing was a hoax.

    https://apnews.com/51b6ed10e4654426a2855a42ad58ba0d

    Think things like this will get better or worse when we have less demographic power and worse than the no political representation we have now? The anti-white policies and rhetoric have been intensifying as we are ethnically cleansed, NOT softening. We have no reason to believe it will and if history is a barometer, every reason to believe it will reach violent genocide levels.

    In any case EVEN if--and we know this isn't true, but for the sake of argument--even if these people were all wonderful and it wasn't just wealth transfer from us to them and dispossession into racial genocide, what do we get out of this? Even if they were 100% the same as us and everything carried on, except without us, why is ethnic cleansing a moral good and what do we even get out of this? We know they aren't equal to us in ability and that things won't carry on, obviously, but no one can explain how we and our descendants somehow benefit from any of this. Did we and our ancestors give our blood, sweat and tears and toil away to hand it away to ungrateful foreigners who hate our guts, want us dead and to take our stuff? Probably not.

    If the Fed gov was instead used a weapon against your type

    “Danger” liberal ahead.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    Address the argument. You are ok with the government being used, clearly. You just don't want the savage riff-raff in your locale. As long as it's not putting up Section 8 and using HUD to throw them into your neighbourhoods you seem to be just fine with it. Out of sight, out of mind. Well maybe it should spread around evenly, and your neighbourhoods have quite the quota to meet.
  133. Anon[206] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    No. While you’re probably right about the SV reaction to the alt-right, there is no direct line from that reaction to agreeing to censor content as per the direction of the ADL, the SPLC, and the Weekly Standard. Your argument doesn’t begin to compute. And your ‘blame the victim’ game is transparent and completely wrong. The censorship now is overt and draconian, and it’s time to begin thinking of some way to combat it ….. if one exists.

    Note: I’ve commented before but I forgot my screenname.

  134. @wesmouch
    You might look at the work of Victor Davis Hanson who lives in the Central Valley and paints a much different picture of the deleterious effects of Mexican immigration. Is it possible that those in Silicon Valley are insulated from the downsides of unbridled immigration since the illegals cannot afford to live in their neighborhoods? One thing you did not mention is the fact that the Hispanic demographic change has turned California into a one party state. The long term consequences of the Democrats and public Unions having complete political hegemony are not good and anyone who dismisses the public pension fiasco that is unfolding in California is whistling past the graveyard. I am a European origin Hispanic immigrant (Cuban) and I see the rising tide of immigration as the end of the Golden Age of the USA. Increased immigration will lead to a polyglot society where people vote according to ethnic lines and the spoils are given out accordingly. If you are a white male your future in corporate America is not bright. You have ignored the role that Jewish intelligentsia played in this. The 1965 Immigration Act was orchestrated by Jews (Emmanuel Cellar, Jacob Javitts, Norbert Schlei) because Jews feel more comfortable in a polyglot society and have a certain antipathy to white Christians.

    Among other things, Hanson says there is a big theft problem where he lives in the Central Valley. He has experienced it often on his farm and even century-old public buildings have their ornamentations stolen. Hanson also says he sometimes finds the mangled corpses of the losers of last night’s Pit Bull fights on his property. Remember, besides being a professor of Classics, he has Mexicans in his extended family.

  135. @Ron Unz

    You seem unfamiliar with the radical La Raza groups (despite what they write on their website) and the “Reconquista” movement. Here’s a video from Costa Mesa about “Making America Mexican Again”.

    Not sure how you can be so wrong on this …..
     
    Well, look. CA has 40M people, so I'm sure you can find a few to say almost anything, including that the state should be renamed after Supreme UFO God. But it's just not a serious issue and I doubt more than 1% have even heard about it.

    I wrote “Not sure how you can be so wrong on this” because in general you strike me as a solid researcher. Maybe you have a blind spot on this issue as you seem to be super pro-Hispanic immigration? I gave you some research ideas (La Raza and Reconquista), I’m sure if you set your mind to it and research it objectively you will find it is far, far more than your “Supreme UFO God” anecdote. I don’t follow it in great detail but there was a quite big deal about this during the 2006 pro-immigration protests, with countless La Raza protesters in the US waving Mexican flags and walking the walk. Although I generally don’t like Human Events, some of that activity is summarized there.

    No, the Latinos are an invading force, there is no doubt in my mind. They are smart enough not to rock the boat while the minority, but they will soon be the majority, and you will see more power be exercised. I don’t claim every Latino is anti-European, but virtually every Latino identifies with Latinos, not with Europeans. I have lived all over both metropolitan and rural California, not just the utterly unrepresentative Silicon Valley, and I quite know what I am writing about here. When push comes to shove, and the Latino leader comes along, they will follow him, not you, and not Whitey.

  136. As an example, when “everyone says” that Russia hacked our presidential election, well, then, I suppose that Russia must have hacked our presidential election.

    The fundamental problem is not that Russia hacked our election, but that we would be far better off she they did than if she didn’t.

    That’s our leadership situation. That’s why we elected a casino owner.

  137. @Miro23

    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
     
    Maybe they should make it easier.

    Working on the principle that's it's best to rectify a mistake as soon as it's identified, the Hart-Celler Immigration and Naturalization Act (1965) is now acknowledged as a failure. At the time it was claimed that it wouldn't alter the demographic mix of the United States - but it did.

    Rectification would involve annulling it, with revised citizenship being based on being a citizen in 1965 or being the direct descendent of a person who was a citizen in 1965.

    Citizenship (and voting rights) would then more or less revert to the mix in 1965, with non-qualifying current citizens having their status changed to "long term resident" without voting rights - but all their other rights untouched as long as they paid taxes.

    It's an open question which political figure would have the power to introduce the legislation, but they would need to be quick, and dive into the nearest bunker to handle the massive Liberal/ Globalist/ SJW/ Jewish incoming.

    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.

    The trick to dealing with accusations of racism is to act like you’ve just been accused of…something irrelevant. When you start sputtering denials, they win. When you ignore the accusation, or hurl it back, and move on quickly to your next talking point as if nothing significant has happened (because nothing has), you’re starting to “get” it. If need be, you can start enumerating all the ways that the left is racist against Whites*. If you don’t know many, go hone your rhetoric, you aren’t ready for advocacy.

    *This is not DR3. DR3 is faggot boomers claiming the left are the real racists against non-whites.

  138. @Colin Wright
    'Lol. This is a really bad comparison...'

    Have it your way, then. Holocaust Denial is the rational, demonstrably true belief and belief in the reality of the Holocaust is logically indefensible.

    You're magnificently missing the point. My point was:

    '...The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with...'

    ...and that is indubitably true. Think of it as akin to arguing for a New World with huge temples in 800 AD. You'd be right -- but at the same time, you wouldn't exactly be convincing people of your sanity.

    You gotta think about what you're in this for. Are you trying to demonstrate your wisdom and intellectual integrity to yourself -- or do you want to change people's minds about the issues that matter right now?

    Have it your way, then. Holocaust Denial is the rational, demonstrably true belief and belief in the reality of the Holocaust is logically indefensible.

    You’re magnificently missing the point. My point was:

    ‘…The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with…’

    No, I got your point, but you larded it with some really shitty talking points that I wanted to correct.

    Yes, you’re right, a lot of normies are repelled by Shoah revisionism. A lot of normies are also worthless shytes (far too “respectable”) who will never join us until it’s totally obvious which way the wind is blowing, and by then we won’t need them anymore.

    Not saying there’s no middle ground, but that was part of my point; many styles for many audiences. There are a LOT of very rational white guys out there who, frankly, don’t give a good flying goddamn what the herd thinks and are instead rather fond of doing their own thinking. They’re the audience for Shoah revisionism. IOW, I think there’s room for both styles.

    You gotta think about what you’re in this for. Are you trying to demonstrate your wisdom and intellectual integrity to yourself — or do you want to change people’s minds about the issues that matter right now?

    IMO there’s no One True Way. Not in terms of optimal systems of gov’t, and not in optimal systems of advocacy. E.g., to your left there are guys kvetching about how aunty-semytizm is holding us back. And to their left, guys kvetching about racism. Etc. I happen to know from experience that treetopping counter-semitism right from the start can turn guys into WNs, because I’m one of those guys. My philosophy is to just shoot straight and not try to hard to tailor stuff to the listener, at least online. Give the facts, and let people make of them what they will.

    P.S., I happen to have a very unique approach to “revisionism” that actually doesn’t constitute “denial.” Only skepticism. I happen to find it a lot more defensible and persuasive than the hard-core denial methods I see others using. The fact is, I’m not a scholar, and I don’t know enough about the subject to really hold forth, one way or the other. On the other hand, I absolutely know that the orthodox narrative stinks. I mean really stinks. That is undeniable, and I can easily prove it. But truth be told, I don’t know for certain what happened. But to each his own.

  139. @niceland
    It isn't only the Alt-right suffering censorship on the web. Anti War voices, people reporting alternative views on the middle east conflict have been censored. Anyone seriously questioning the "west's" narrative on Russia is painted as Russian troll these days. The EU pushing forward draconian legislation regarding copyright law. Perhaps this is just more of the same; the rules of the MSM being pushed on the big web companies.

    Remember Amazon dropping hundreds of book titles recently. John Pilger can no longer publish articles in his old stomping grounds in "The Guardian". Seymour Hersh is an outlaw these days and self proclaimed socialist Chris Hedges enjoys shelter on R.T.

    Yes, perhaps the final decisions about disappering sites or blogs are made in Silicone Valley but I find it unlikely the personal experiences of the people running these companies makes much difference. After all they are running multi billion dollar enterprises laying golden eggs and at the same time are under serious political pressure both in the U.S. and abroad. They have a lot to loose if they don't play ball and since the business model for most of them is harvesting private information from the public to sell to their advertisers - ideological issues like free speech are hardly high on the priority list. Disappering few bad apples mumbling about controversial issues is just the cost of doing business.

    As for the "Alt-Right" - I honestly don't get it after year on unz.com If Charlottesville is any indication the "Alt-Right" is a dead horse. A political impossibility not realizing - when in a hole - stop digging. As a movement it needs total reform. Red-pilling the rest of the population about ww2 or some long passed historical issues isn't going to work. New plan is needed - but the real question is - does the ALt-Right really deserve sympathy? I am not sure about that.

    Do you even know what the Alt Right stands for? I don’t think you do…yet you criticize a movement you give no indication of understanding.

    SYSTEM wants 1)War with Christian Russia…..2)coast to coast demographic shift….3)homo-pederast norming of American Society…..The Alt Right is a revolt against this….perhaps you support 1)…2)….3)…?

    The SYSTEM is obviously very terrified of the Alt Right….that’s why it wages Police State repression against the Alt Right…… But why is the SYSTEM terrified of the Alt Right?

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Post-1965 America is a gargantuan filthy stinking coast-to-coast toilet bowl....California is an ecological disaster area...especially Southern California....something’s gotta-gonna snap....collapse...implode......

    I recommend a Cordon Sanitare Policy for Southern California....Let the Gooks and Hindus kill of all the the mega-fauna...endangered plant and endangered bird species in California....let them use up of all the H20....Let the Southern California Ec0nomy crash...or perhaps you believe the laws of physics and ecology don’t apply to California’s Economy......

    Post-1965 California is magical thinking writ large....

    I suppose the game-plan for end-state malignant tumor California is Governor half-breed-Kraut-Mexican Spic Governor Scharzenegger.......
  140. @Ron Unz

    Do you think some of what you are saying is due to a selection bias? Many of the people who were against illegal immigration voted with their feet once the courts overruled propositions voted at the ballot box meant to curtail the deluge.
     
    Probably, but only to a very limited extent. A considerable portion of the white working-class has been driven out to other states by economic competition from immigrants, and lots of higher-paid workers left after the collapse of the aerospace industrial after the end of the Cold War. Housing is so ridiculously expensive that lots of younger whites have to move away to other states to buy homes, and older whites eventually sell their small homes here for a million or two million and retire elsewhere.

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of "mass exodus."

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of “mass exodus.”

    LOL, different strokes, I guess. Because I call that a mass exodus.

    (Especially when talking about the best real estate on the planet)

    • Replies: @Ron Unz


    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of “mass exodus.”
     
    LOL, different strokes, I guess. Because I call that a mass exodus.
     
    Well, I don't think an average white decline of 0.3% per year in CA over fifty years would be called a "mass exodus" by most people. Moreover, it helps to distinguish between two models.

    Some agitated people claim that whites are fleeing CA because of the horrors of living as a shrinking minority in a mostly non-white state.

    Meanwhile, I claim that whites have gradually been pushed out by outrageously expensive housing costs as well as terrible traffic and serious economic competition with immigrant workers.

    I'd say that a white decline of 0.3% per year seems to strongly support my analysis of the situation.

  141. @gman
    I tend to agree with Peter Thiel's characterization that politics in Silicon Valley is driven by fashion.

    In my view, Mark Zuckerberg's support of Dreams, Black Lives Matter, Criminal Justice Reform and Marc Benioff's threatening to pull Salesforce out of Indiana over Mike Pence's 'religious freedom' bill indicate that tech leaders like socially (not economically) progressive ideas that are fashionable among elites. At some point, the tech leaders are tempted to purge to show solidarity with the fashionable views.

    indicate that tech leaders like socially (not economically) progressive ideas that are fashionable among elites.

    They like socially progressive ideas because they’re terrified of economically progressive ideas. If they keep pushing socially progressive ideas they hope that no-one will notice the ever-increasing economic inequality.

    They support the Cultural Left enthusiastically because they have nightmares that an actual Economic Left might arise and force them to give up a few of their billions.

    It’s all about class but the alt-right is incapable of understanding such complicated subjects.

    It’s really amusing to see alt-righters rabbiting on about IQ when their own comprehension of the world is so pathetically unsophisticated and naïve.

    • Agree: utu, CanSpeccy, Yevardian
    • Replies: @Polynikes
    Because the people you deride fundamentally understand game theory better than you. Hook your wagon to the Marxists and see what happens.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    It's interesting that you apparently failed to anticipate the objection that 1) social mobility is strongly correlated with race, exhibiting particularly high levels in Northern European countries and particularly low levels throughout the Third World and 2) that even the 5th percentile in the United States is inarticulably better off than the 80th percentile in Venezuela. And that last relationship, the much-less-than 50th percentile in majority-white countries living vastly more plentiful existences than some greater-than 50th sh**holian percentile, holds true across the near entirety of the Global South.

    You accuse the dissident right of unsophisticated naivete as you monomaniacally try to nail every identifiable human problem with your plastic Marxist class hammer. But it should be smashingly obvious that class, a manifestation of Marxist hobgoblin inequality, is not the single engine of every social woe. The "real economic left" froths at the chance to rev that engine past the red line until its noise cancels out all else. In Venezuela — smoldering experiment in Real Economic Leftism that it is — it's true that class is all important. If you're in the 1 percent, you eat. If you're in the underclass you die. Well done. On the other hand, however bad a Gini Coefficient of 50 may look, it doesn't stack bodies. The Marxist confuses the symptom for the disease, adding to his blood-soaked record of deadly malpractice.


    And to dismiss a large and well-developed body of thought, wholesale, with the line "it's all about X" is close to the Webster's definitions of both unsophisticated and naive.

    , @GoyimYisrael
    How can you say it's all about class when Mark Zuckerberg and the Google Jews are 100% Jewish tribalists? Google even hosted the Israeli spy school Techion in Google's NYC headquarters, until the Cornell Technion campus was opened.

    Jewish supremacist tribalists laugh at your simplistic idea that "it's all about class".
    , @Plato's dream
    I stopped reading alt-right.com since all they seem to be interested in these days is re-living the Cold War (led by that funny cuck with the Mexican name)
  142. @mark green
    Tim Wise is NOT Jewish? I think that you are mistaken about this. I had an exchange with Tim Wise and he says he's Jewish and I believe him. Considering his typical (((opinions))), Wise would probably have broader appeal and more credibility if indeed he was not a Jew. Thus I cannot see a reason why he would lie about his ethnic background. Here's my article (and exchange) with Tim Wise.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/30/my-smackdown-with-anti-white-crusader-tim-wise/

    I could see a Caucasoid anti-white racist in the anti-white racism business claiming to be Jewish to fit in.

  143. @anon

    Oh what to do, oh what to do?
     
    stop pretending to be Alt-Right?

    ‘stop pretending to be Alt-Right?’

    Are you saying I’m not really one of the faithful?

    • Replies: @anon
    aren't you the one with a website "alternative right dot com"?
  144. @anon
    So basically Unz's whole point is SV is against Alt-right because they are much more multicultural and do not see the threat.

    I don't think Unz is being honest here. The real issue here is SV has been taken over by Jews just like Wall Street, Hollywood, K Street, DNC, the media, academia and judiciary. Jews go whole hog embracing multiculturalism because it benefits them in at least 3 ways, 1) in a nation of all Christian whites, Jews are at the bottom of the totem pole, but when surrounded by all non-whites, they are suddenly "white" by comparison, 2) they are no longer the only out group, hence "safer", and 3) they like cheap labor.

    When Jews take over an institution/industry, they invariably run it to the ground through their greed, dishonesty and lack of self-restraint, and the best way to hide all that moral degeneracy is through loud virtue signaling. The book Brotopia talks about the drugs, sex, and moral degeneracy of SV approaching the level of Hollywood. We can even see this through the shows produced by Netflix and Amazon, SV and Hollywood are converging. And with the hiring of Obama admin people and financing by Wall Street run private equity, SV is converging with Hollywood, DC and Wall Street. This always happens when Jews are in charge. Hitting out at alt-right is just virtue signaling to cover up their own moral degeneracy.

    In addition, cheap labor is the lifeblood of the tech industry. Tech plantation owners from Gates to Zuckerberg, Bezos to Jewgle to Tim Cook need their cheap code coolies. Even though they hire no more than 5,000 blue badge employees a year between these top 5 firms, they employ hundreds of thousands of contingent staff through consulting agencies like Infosys, TCS, Wipro, who hire all their code coolies from India, China, Philippines and elsewhere. Trump's "America First" agenda could put a hamper on that cheap code coolie pipeline, though Trump's been all talk and no walk on this front and has done nothing to stop the H1b, OPT, L1, B1 hirings, we know Jews are a paranoid lot. Zuckerberg and Jewgle guys need a few more billions to keep up with Bezos.

    One must ask why white males in the tech industry who are increasingly losing jobs to cheap foreign workers willingly join in on this assault of the alt-right, against their self-interest. My experience from hanging out with them is they are either so dumb they bought in on all this virtue signaling, or are part of the large stock holder class and want to profit off the cheap labor themselves, or both.

    1) in a nation of all Christian whites, Jews are at the bottom of the totem pole, but when surrounded by all non-whites, they are suddenly “white” by comparison

    lol, Jews did quite well in Europe during the Middle Ages, when all but Jews were forced to convert to Christianity (i.e., they were the only “minority”), and are still doing quite well there now. And by doing quite well, I mean, the average Jew was vastly better off than the average Christian.

    2) they are no longer the only out group, hence “safer”

    It’s quite true that Jews have ruthlessly exploited other minorities – notably African-Americans in the US – to advance their own identity politics, but, I don’t see how that makes them safer. Aggressive, domineering, aberrational behavior can you get in trouble anywhere at any time, and Jews are notorious for absolutely refusing to assimilate – indeed that is their defining characteristic (Jews have always been free to assimilate wherever they have lived, whether in Christian or Muslim countries, it’s just that unlike everyone else, they adamantly refuse because of their belief in their own superiority, which is precisely the belief which gets them in “trouble” over time).

    3) they like cheap labor.

    Right, as if White and Black America weren’t flocking to Walmart (the China distribution center) in the 80s and 90s while America was being de-industrialized. Everyone likes cheap labor, i.e., everyone likes “more”.

    When Jews take over an institution/industry, they invariably run it to the ground through their greed, dishonesty and lack of self-restraint

    I don’t see how this is a peculiarly Jewish trait. What have Europeans done with their institutions? What has the Catholic Church done? What of the crimes of the nobility during feudalism, which mirror those of slavery? What rulers who have great power don’t abuse it? The only thing I would note that is particularly Jewish about the US corruption is that Jews put themselves above criticism with their “anti-Semitic” bullshit, which is enough reason to hate every single Jew who uses that epithet to advance Jewish power and corruption (which, unfortunately, is a quite large majority of self-identified Jews).

    We can even see this through the shows produced by Netflix and Amazon

    Of course the Christians pay for this degeneracy. It’s hardly fair to blame those who produce trash, when they get rich off it, and absolve those who buy it, thus creating the demand and reward. Note in this and virtually every other case of degeneracy, the First Amendment (as interpreted by the Black Robed Satanic Dictatorship) is the enemy of decency and edification.

    they hire no more than 5,000 blue badge employees a year between these top 5 firms

    I don’t know where you get this stat, but the fact is programming is an international language. If you had two equally competent employees, one demanding $150,000 per year and another $15,000 per year, who would you hire (imagine doing it now, with your money). I’ve been in that position myself, I never minded hiring foreign programmers (though I generally chose Eastern European ones). Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews; even if there were not a single Jew in the US or the world, this would be happening in the internet world.

  145. @Haxo Angmark
    I myself will shortly be leaving Mexifornia: in Santa Barbara, my current domicile (and a B'nai Brith/ADL-ruled sanctuary city) c. 2/3 of the population no longer speaks English...or shares my values. So it is now a mass

    exodus.

    and it's accelerating rapidly.

    the White population of Mexifornia will be c. 25% by the mid-2020's

    and thereafter decline precipitously.

    The reason for the decline you cite will not be due to White Flight. Liberals are waving illegals into the country who not only vote, but they attach themselves to social programs, and bring with them the attitudes and political ideologies that made their own countries toilets. Mr. Unz ran for Governor of California (Actually, I would have voted for him!) His opposition to Proposition 187, which in part would have relieved Californians from underwriting funding to support illegal aliens, seems like a dichotomy, due to support for that measure coming in large part from Mexican Americans who went through the process of legally attaining U.S. Citizenship. There’s another dichotomy apparent among the liberal camp, as they campaign to increase the illegal alien population: They cite a very famous farm worker named Cesar Chavez as their poster child for these struggling people. Like everything else in the Puffy Lip environment, they didn’t realize Chavez himself despised illegal aliens. (You have to chuckle when Abraham Lincoln is canonized by liberals for freeing the black slaves. Lincoln wanted those people out of the U.S. His political campaign speech could have been the original Ku Klux Klan Manifesto.)

    Our state needs sane and competent leadership. It is unfortunate that we don’t have enough sane and competent voters to elect them.

  146. @Colin Wright
    Substantially, I agree with most of what you say. The issue is what to do about it.

    More or less at random, the following thoughts come to mind.

    First, those of us who engage in thought crime of whatever form need an alternative web that is at least more difficult to shut down. As long as we're at the mercy of mainstream censors, we'll never get anywhere.

    Meantime, the issue is whether to appease or outrage. This always poses a quandary; I see it a lot in my own area of especial concern: Israel. Do you carefully assure everyone you agree Israel has a right to exist, dutifully decry 'terrorism,' avoid ever referring to 'Jews,' etc -- and work yourself into a position of total impotence?

    Or do you rage about the disproportionate power, influence, and privilege of Jews, denounce Israel as essentially a Nazi state, argue that any measures against it are justified, and so on -- and find yourself off in a corner with twelve other 'anti-semites', banned by all?

    This is a general problem. To take the path of moderation, and remain 'legitimate' at the risk if becoming innocuous -- or call a spade a spade at the risk of being completely marginalized?

    Finally, which causes? Take Holocaust Denial. I happen to be convinced that the Holocaust happened substantially as advertised, but others aren't.

    Well, speaking for myself, they're free to argue their case. They can knock themselves out. As far as I'm concerned, it's like faith in Jesus, or belief in Kennedy assassination plots, or any one of a dozen such convictions I just don't share. Have at it, though. It's like golf. Of no interest to me, but don't let me spoil your fun.

    The problem I see is that in plugging Holocaust denial in particular, one immediately marginalizes both oneself and anyone one is associated with. Unz Review can have twelve interesting ideas that might actually gain traction with the casual visitor -- but if Holocaust Denial is at the top of the page, he'll move hastily on.

    It's like Obama birtherism, or 9/11 having all been staged, or any one of several such beliefs. It's an immediate red flag that triggers a 'shake your head and move on' response from most people.

    Again, I'm not sure what to do about that. There's little point in decrying mainstream censorship if we're just going to muzzle ourselves. On the other hand...

    Well, that's about it for now. Unz's points are thought-provoking.

    There’s little point in decrying mainstream censorship if we’re just going to muzzle ourselves.

    As long as you cling to liberal concepts like freedom of speech you will lose.

    As Steve Sailer has pointed out what matters is who controls the Megaphone. And that’s a matter of power. If you want power you have to be prepared to not worry too much about ethical niceties. You have to focus on winning rather than on being virtuous.

    Political movements that have successfully gained power have usually purged themselves of the idiots who cause them more harm than good. If you want to have a serious shot at gaining at least a small taste of real power then you’re probably better off without the Holocaust deniers and the 9/11 truthers and the idiots who still carry on about Obama’s birth certificate.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'As Steve Sailer has pointed out what matters is who controls the Megaphone. And that’s a matter of power. If you want power you have to be prepared to not worry too much about ethical niceties. You have to focus on winning rather than on being virtuous...'

    On the other hand, what does that lead to? The Bolsheviks and Nazis won power -- but what did they wind up doing with it?

    Revolutionaries can be not merely just as bad as the ancien regime -- they're usually worse. At least the old regime was constrained by a need to at least appear to be honoring the constitutional and religious niceties -- nothing the Tsars ever did came close to the barbarities of the Soviets, and the same was true for the Kings of France versus the Revolutionary Terror. Wilhelmine Germany was an ethical paradise compared to the Third Reich.

    So if you're going to throw all ethical considerations overboard in your pursuit of victory, what will you have left to offer once you do win? Won't you just be the same fist -- but without the velvet glove?
    , @foolisholdman
    Yeah! Sure! Join up with the people who are willing to accept the USG's account of 9/11. They should be a great help!
  147. @mark green
    Tim Wise is NOT Jewish? I think that you are mistaken about this. I had an exchange with Tim Wise and he says he's Jewish and I believe him. Considering his typical (((opinions))), Wise would probably have broader appeal and more credibility if indeed he was not a Jew. Thus I cannot see a reason why he would lie about his ethnic background. Here's my article (and exchange) with Tim Wise.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/30/my-smackdown-with-anti-white-crusader-tim-wise/

    Hahaha I’m only halfway through but I’m really enjoying watching you curb-stomp that little shit. He’s such a duplicitous, sniveling little shit pile.

  148. @Saxon
    Let's be real here. Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate. Central and South American countries have some of the highest murder rates in the world. They are utter hellholes. The fact that the US government calls Mestizos and every other non-European they can "White" for the purpose of obfuscating the crime rates in the US doesn't change this fact. It doesn't matter that blacks are overall generally the worst.

    Letting these people in is more crime that can be prevented by not letting them in. In any case, they all have their own countries. If they're really as great as you claim they are, why are their countries all such toilet bowls?

    Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate.

    What technically is “White” to you? Arabs are White, yet many Whites (despite denying Arabs are White) consider them to be especially violent (rightly or wrongly).

    Also, how do you measure murder rates? Consider WW II, which, at least in the European theater, was a war entirely between Whites in which 30 million or more were killed. How many years would it take S. America, with its current crime rates, to catch up to that tidy sum? Think of all the prior European wars, and the violence of feudalism.

    Perhaps if you tried to adjust for poverty and other factors you would find that these elements are more critical to crime rates than race. As a data point, consider crime rates in Russia during the Yeltsin years versus now, after economic stability has been restored, and consider the economic conditions in the high-crime Latin American areas. Indeed, go a step further, and compare Latin American crime rates over time against economic conditions for the lower classes over time.

    Here is another perspective: how many non-Whites have Whites murdered, if you count all of the wars and colonizations by White people? How many Native Americans, who greeted Columbus with flowers and gifts, were murdered and enslaved by him and his greedy criminal allies?

    Perhaps it can be said, that Whites are much more likely to commit collective, organized violence than other races?

    Anyway, I don’t have all the answers, I just do know your comment is way over-simplistic.

    • Replies: @anon

    How many Native Americans, who greeted Columbus with flowers and gifts...
     
    who told you that?
    , @Saxon
    Rabble rabble. More obfuscation by comparing wars to non-wartime. All of these people have their own countries. How about they go live in them and leave us alone. Surely they should be able to make something of them if they're so wonderful. Surely they don't need to ride our coat-tails and blood-suck us to death?

    Nobody is confused about who's white. Everyone knows it means an unmixed EUROPEAN. The only time someone acts confused is when we make a positive claim on something that is ours. Then it suddenly becomes "what's white?" Every other time when affirmative action and other punitive measures are the focus, everyone knows exactly who's white and who's not.

    , @foolisholdman
    Does anyone know how the rate of committing crimes varies with income? I have no data on the subject but maybe someone in this pretty well-informed forum has?
  149. @War for Blair Mountain
    Do you even know what the Alt Right stands for? I don’t think you do...yet you criticize a movement you give no indication of understanding.

    SYSTEM wants 1)War with Christian Russia.....2)coast to coast demographic shift....3)homo-pederast norming of American Society.....The Alt Right is a revolt against this....perhaps you support 1)...2)....3)...?

    The SYSTEM is obviously very terrified of the Alt Right....that’s why it wages Police State repression against the Alt Right...... But why is the SYSTEM terrified of the Alt Right?

    Post-1965 America is a gargantuan filthy stinking coast-to-coast toilet bowl….California is an ecological disaster area…especially Southern California….something’s gotta-gonna snap….collapse…implode……

    I recommend a Cordon Sanitare Policy for Southern California….Let the Gooks and Hindus kill of all the the mega-fauna…endangered plant and endangered bird species in California….let them use up of all the H20….Let the Southern California Ec0nomy crash…or perhaps you believe the laws of physics and ecology don’t apply to California’s Economy……

    Post-1965 California is magical thinking writ large….

    I suppose the game-plan for end-state malignant tumor California is Governor half-breed-Kraut-Mexican Spic Governor Scharzenegger…….

  150. Benefits enjoyed today acquired through subservient labor will be paid by future generations. Addiction to flattery is a vice that destroys man and culture.

  151. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron, your arguments here are pretty intellectually lazy.

    Yes, it’s certainly true that there are a lot of Trump supporters in West Virginia who don’t have personal experience with Mexicans, but what about the reverse? Do white people who live in Central Valley, or Arizona, or Texas (et. al) not have experience with Mexicans? These are all places that voted for Trump too.

    Also, you can turn these lazy/facile heuristics on their head: what do you make of the fact that white people in Vermont (or Marin County) are way more pro Mexican immigration than white people in Texas (or San Diego County)? New Mexico has the most hispanics of any state, how are things going there (in terms of education, poverty, violent crime, overall social welfare)?

    Another point: try thinking in terms of ceteris paribus, not whether things are better now than they were in 1970. If you want an argument as to why immigration matters, go look up standardized test scores for whites and hispanics in California.

    By the way, I actually agree with you on a lot of things including the hispanic crime thing, and hispanic disease thing. I also think that immigration generally doesn’t lower native wages substantially, since immigrant labor complements native labor.

    P.S. Can you write about the Vela Incident?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident

  152. anonymous[666] • Disclaimer says:

    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., while in the Latin American countries from which they’re drawn, they have the highest intentional homicide rate in the world, exceeding even the most violent African countries?*

    El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela top the list of countries by homicide rate, exceeding the U.S. figures by over ten fold. Mexico exceeds the US by almost four fold. (The American figure being mostly made up of Blacks and Hispanics, itself).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Why do Hispanics behave differently in the U.S. than they do in Latin America? Will this persist even after they achieve a critical mass? (Btw, what research into critical mass effects in Demographics have been done?)

    * But, the African figures may be somewhat questionable.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., while in the Latin American countries from which they’re drawn,
     
    Is this question really being posed honestly? Surely, all you would need to do is think about the question for a few minutes to come up with a theory. Or more than one theory even.

    There are two obvious theories that aren't even mutually exclusive.

    The first obvious theory is that the people committing most of the crimes in the countries of origin are not the ones emigrating to the U.S.

    That's the simplest possibility. The other thing to consider is that crime, like most other human behavior, is situational. It occurs in a specific context. For example, it is well known that Lieutenant William Calley and the rest of Charlie Company entered a Vietnamese village called My Lai and massacred hundreds of villagers, mostly women and children.

    I am pretty sure that, by and large, these same people who did that, after returning to their home towns in the States, never committed such crimes again, or anything remotely similar.

    Is there some mystery there that needs explaining?

    The horrific violence in Central America is taking place in a specific context. There are specific conditions there that are not present in the U.S.

    , @anon
    it must be the magic dirt
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Whitey runs the government, the police, and the prisons here. In Latin America, the natives run those institutions.
    , @Ron Unz

    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S. while...El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela top the list of countries by homicide rate, exceeding the U.S. figures by over ten fold....Why do Hispanics behave differently in the U.S. than they do in Latin America?
     
    Sure, as others have discussed upthread, it's because of different social and governmental conditions.

    Take Germans, who are extremely law-abiding and have always had very low crime rates in the U.S.. But during the Thirty Years Wars, they massacred each other in such huge numbers that the killings and chaos reduced Germany's population by something like 35-40%, a result orders-of-magnitude worse than anything seen in Central America.

    If you look at the reported homicide rates in Mexico and Central America, they've varied quite considerably over the last 50 years, so although they're very bad now, they weren't in the past.
  153. @Anonymous
    Thank you once again Ron for keeping a laser like focus on the perils of legal immigration along with that of illegal immigration, which most people just discount as something innocuous. Replacing the upper middle class and the elite class of this country with someone from a low trust, dog eat dog culture like India and China will irreversibly change the character of our country as well as the direction it is going in. We see the terrible repercussions of importing high IQ and extremely low trust (with goyim out-groups) ashkenazi folk today.

    Granted China is miles ahead of India (which is way way more ethnocentric due to it's myriad castes and competing groups treating eat other as out-groups) but still it is way too different from a Saxon perspective that provides Anglo-Saxon Europe and Anglo Saxon derived derived nations such high quality of life which is based on a high trust society

    Though we do differ on the role Hispanic or rather (to be precise) Mestizos are going to play in the country, there are at least agreements on the perils of legal immigration that you seem to understand well. That's positive

    competing groups treating eat other as out-groups

    You win the Sigmund Award for Best Typo of the Day!

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
    LOL!

    Considering that we must pay homage to our (((betters))) as is mandated by law here, change that to Sigmund Freud (Fraud??) award, to make it that much more explicit!

    By the way, you have a good knack on puns as you seem to recreate puntastic punabrations of seemingly ordinary events. You'd make a good stand up comedian. Just don't make fun of our (((leaders))) and you can start raking in the dough! A good (short term) career choice especially when you come from the hindoo capital of america, Edison NJ ;) Not to mention all the dot pussy you'd be smashing considering how beta most of their men are. I dunno if you'd dig that though ;)

    [you DO come from NJ don't ya? What with your vast knowledge of their gods and godesses, the "housing scene" in the "garden" state etc]

  154. @MarkinLA
    The reason why Silicon Valley does what is does has nothing to do with some analysis of what they believe are lies and facts. It has more to do with their placating their workforce which is predominantly college brainwashed and woke. Like in the Damore case, the employees threatened a temper tantrum and the execs had to give in. The company is held hostage by the beliefs of the workforce just the opposite of the days of manufacturing being king where the execs fired you for being too extreme in your leftist views.

    The company is held hostage by the beliefs of the workforce just the opposite of the days of manufacturing being king where the execs fired you for being too extreme in your leftist views.

    LOL. You’d still get fired if you tried expressing actual leftist views. Try working at one of these tech companies and suggesting that the tech monopolies should be broken up, that the banks should be nationalised, that the means of production should be in the hands of the proletariat. They’d fire you in about three nanoseconds.

    But there’s no danger of that because neither the execs nor the employees in Silicon Valley hold left-wing views.

    Hint: believing in homosexual marriage does not make you a leftist.

  155. Whites could be more persuasive if they focus on some failings among their own bottom 10% at the moment, and try to help them rise up from drugs, tattoos, out-of-wedlock-births, and “the life”.

    The Charlottesville pictures were awful: damned fools waving Nazi-stuff, and a few nuts were sporting Klan-clothing. I remember your average white in a collared shirt and khakis back in the eighties, seemingly trying to dress and comport themselves in emulation of their social superiors, not trailer-park-hate-attire.

    The alt-right should focus on immigration-reduction first, but then charity and boosterism amongst their fellow whites. If a local polity wants to pull down some statues, and the majority of the voting populace in that area supports it, then so be it. All tussles with antifa are going to be covered by the media as white violence.

    I do have an idea at how to stab at the white left’s underbelly however. If you are a white in a hopeless political district, you could register as a democrat and always vote for the minority candidate in the democratic primaries. The more white democrats that realize that they have no place in the party of color, and will not be elected no matter how much corporate money gets thrown at them, the more they will start to see things our way. If for instance in Ron Unz’s California, Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, and Newsome all lost their primaries to Mexican-income-redistributionist-candidates in the next Democratic primaries because hordes of former white republican voters crossed lines and voted for them, the realization that they will not be running the future multicultural America will truly dawn on them.

    • Replies: @anon

    Whites could be more persuasive if they focus on some failings among their own bottom 10% at the moment, and try to help them rise up from drugs, tattoos, out-of-wedlock-births, and “the life”.
     
    when you're being flooded by illegal aliens because a treasonous govt refuses to secure the border, blame yourself
    , @Saxon
    99% of the people at Charlottesville were wearing white polo shirts. You bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker, or you're just being disingenuous on purpose, which is the more likely case.

    In any case the misfortunes of the bottom 10% of the white population are GREATLY exacerbated by anti-white race laws and policies. There's not much you can do to help these people when the government decides the winners and losers in life and has marked them as the losers. There's no logical reason outside of the government fixing the results that their lot in life should be so bad, as after all they test about as well as the top income bracket of blacks.
  156. @renfro
    The alt Right needs some marketing lessons. They make it too easy for the liberals to call them racist.
    Now that they have aroused people to the immigration issue and the anti white men agenda they need to soft pedal the race aspects and turn to arguments that will increase their numbers....bring in people who would otherwise not want be known as alt right.
    There are other hot buttons they need to add that will install some fear about uncheck immigration than just brown and black hordes.

    by way deception as they say

    There are other hot buttons they need to add that will install some fear about uncheck immigration than just brown and black hordes.

    There are certainly much stronger arguments against immigration that the racial ones.

    But the alt-right really needs to address other issues besides immigration. What is the point in “saving” our society from those black and brown hordes if we have a society that is so decadent and so degenerate that it’s not worth saving?

    And if the alt-right ever wants to gain significant support it might be a good idea to address economic issues. Trump won in 2016 by giving the appearance that on economic issues he was well to the left of Hillary Clinton. Economic populism with a left-wing tinge wins actual votes.

  157. @jack daniels
    My work brings me into contact with a lot of Latinos, many illegal I suspect. They seem perfectly nice and don't make me nervous. I do find myself nervous around some of the blacks, though in general they seem more pleasant than blacks of 50 years ago. White liberals must accept a good part of the blame for black anger, which they incent in many ways.
    It's not surprising that Latinos vote Democrat, given their economic status. As a social conservative I wish we had a populist party that was socially conservative, libertarian on speech, and economically friendly to the working class.

    As a social conservative I wish we had a populist party that was socially conservative, libertarian on speech, and economically friendly to the working class.

    There was a time when most Anglophone countries had such parties. Certainly in Australia up to the late 60s the Labor Party was generally like that. In fact up to the 50s the Australian Labor Party was very Catholic and very socially conservative.

    Such parties did exist in the past and there’s no reason they couldn’t exist today. In fact being left on economic issues and being conservative on social issues is a natural fit – the destruction of the family has been a catastrophe for the working class, as has the rising tide of drugs and sexual degeneracy. Old School leftists were very well aware of that danger.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    Thanks for the info. I agree completely. The billionaires who control both parties make sure that we always have to choose between professed socially liberal corporatism and stealth socially liberal corporatism! But maybe that will change.
  158. @Hail

    At this stage, I’m really not sure that any of you can do anything
     
    This denouement really leaves much to be desired.

    I was expecting a punch-line, maybe a "try this one neat trick" lobbed at the reader.

    Very little has happened in the last fifteen months [i.e., Aug. 2017 to Dec. 2018] that would cause me to reconsider any of my views.
     
    ______________

    To try to pull out some implied advice:

    when people notice that many of the things your organizations are saying are absolutely 100% contrary to what they actually see in their ordinary lives, they quickly conclude that you’re just as crazy as your critics in the MSM always say you are
     

    Alt-Right people are always talking about the horrific future consequences of white Europeans becoming a minority
     
    I don't see the mainline Alt-Right (to coin a term) talking like this (i.e., ranting about "horrific" consequences of a less-White America). The implied advice, anyway, seems to be to avoid rhetorical excesses. Sound advice, in theory.

    certain other “alt-right”-type issues have very little daily resonance in Silicon Valley
     
    Dr. Greg Johnson, long himself resident in the Bay Area, is an example of an Alt-Righter who consciously makes appeals to Silicon Valley types and similar types nationwide.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    That’s the kind of SATANIC FILTH!!!! that was very common on the Reagan Whitehouse according to a 1980 Washington Times front page news story.....And it was also going in the George W Bush Whitehouse.....

    Reagan-Bush Family Rule=HOMOSEXUAL PEDERASTY....

    This is how California was lost....rule by homosexual pederasts....

  159. Ron says-

    But Silicon Valley is a different story. One-third of the local population consists of Hispanic immigrants, mostly Mexican and a large fraction from an illegal immigrant background.

    It’s easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s. The Mexican Revolution for Independence from Spain in 1821 resulted in California becoming part of Mexico. Nobody spoke English, and all of the colonists were of Spanish descent. It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA, and up until this time vast majority of settlers spoke Spanish or were of Mexican heritage. This date was when the California Gold rush brought in hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Yankees from the eastern states.

    My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don’t know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans. All of the names are Spanish: San Francisco, Los Angeles, California, Colorado, El Paso, Santa Fe, etc. So they are not ‘immigrants’ in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).

    • Replies: @anon

    It’s easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s.
     
    claimed? that's a cute word

    who did they steal it from?


    The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).
     
    by "fucked everything up" i presume you mean "built everything"

    if only the western U.S. was more like mejico the world would be a much better place, eh?

    , @Christo
    Those "Spanish" were a lot different from the current "Hispanic" Indians, so different they have almost nothing in common except for those Mexican Indians learning a European language . Just as the 'white Spanish" had nothing to do with the Indians running around Mexico other than kill and enslave them. Sure the "Spanish" were in California first, but those Spanish were white people and they don't exist in California anymore and have not for hundreds of years. Simply put Mexicans are not Spanish so to claim they have some sort of ethnic precedent right to takeover California ain't there.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA

     

    If California were still a province of Mexico today, they would all want te emmigrate, and Trump would promise to build a wall on the California border.

    Given all the millions of illegals who escape Mexico to come here, you would think that they would wish America had annexed all of Mexico instead of just part of it.
    , @Ron Unz

    It’s easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s...My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don’t know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans...So they are not ‘immigrants’ in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first.
     
    That's actually a considerable distortion. When America seized those territories (and Texas), they constituted roughly half of Mexico's land area but were so thinly populated, they held only about 1% of Mexico's population. With the exception of New Mexico, they were mostly empty desert filled with scattered Indian tribes. For example, there were only something like 7,000 Spanish speakers in California and maybe twice that in Texas. These tiny populations were quickly swamped and absorbed in the huge waves of American newcomers who flooded into the area.
    , @Biff

    It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA, and up until this time vast majority of settlers spoke Spanish or were of Mexican heritage. This date was when the California Gold rush brought in hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Yankees from the eastern states.
     
    Keep in mind, in 1848, it was easier to get to California from Australia than it was from Boston - more than just a few wallabies chased gold too.
    , @RobertinMn
    Okay--it is really hard to read the nonsensical assertions being made here in this thread which are touted as history and have no basis in history. Neither Mexico nor Spain ever owned all of modern day California. California's entire Northern half was controlled by the UK and Russia prior to 1848. There were a nominal number of pure Spaniards living in the Southern half and virtually no "Mexicans". Those Spaniards sided with the Americans in their revolt against all three countries as they saw Mexico as a backward, corrupt nation going no where fast. America was on the rise. The UK saw the inevitability of The Monroe Doctrine and voluntarily ceded their territories of Washington, Oregon and Northern California to the US. Russia likewise ceded it's California holdings to the US and sold us Alaska.

    The rest of the Southwest was sparsely populated and also contained very few if any "Mexicans". The indian tribes in those areas had been killing off any Mexicans that came north for centuries--that includes evidence of Aztec cannibals who were wiped out by Apaches. Mexico has been a pain in our backside for 200 years now. We used to routinely send US army in to the northern area to clean out the detritus that was crossing the border and inflicting the US territory with crime.
    , @CanSpeccy

    My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don’t know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans. All of the names are Spanish: San Francisco, Los Angeles, California, Colorado, El Paso, Santa Fe, etc. So they are not ‘immigrants’ in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).
     
    Its not about right and wrong, its about power. The dominant group rules. The Mexicans, by whom I take it you mean the Spanish were not "here first." The Amerindians were first, he Spanish second, the Euro-Americans third, and now due to the treason class to which Ron Unz belongs, the Mexicans are back in the ascendant.

    The Treason Class are the employers of illegal immigrant labor and the Democrat politicians promoting the illegal immigration of Democrat voters who have subverted the will of the former majority. Mass immigration is always contrary to the interests of the existing inhabitants and is therefore fundamentally anti-democratic.

    Whose side Trump is on is hard to say. But there is no doubt that Trump's populist appeal is due to his claimed nationalism and his insistence that immigration should be permitted only in accordance with the law established by elected legislators.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don’t know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans. All of the names are Spanish: San Francisco, Los Angeles, California, Colorado, El Paso, Santa Fe, etc. So they are not ‘immigrants’ in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).'

    This is incredibly ignorant. It's depressing that you've been led to believe this bears any resemblance to the truth.
    , @Anon
    You really don’t know the history of the Southwest at all you ignoramus.

    Texas was part of Mexico for only 16 years, New Mexico. Arizona, Nevada and California were part of Mexico for only 26 years. That’s too short a time for any revanchist claims.

    All the Hispanic Mexicans living in the southwest in 1836 and 1848 including the Mexican viceroy , most Mexican government officials and military and their descendants stayed in the southwestern American states.

    Again, you are an ignoramus. Even Wikipedia is more informed than you.
    , @Anon
    Spain held the area for 200 years before the very very ill advised, ( and British instigated) 182o revolution against Spain.

    Your argument leads to the revanchist right of White European Spain, not Hispanic Indians to take over the south west.

    During the same time Spain colonized the south west, it ruled Sicily, southern Italy. What’s now belgium, parts of the Netherlands and big parts of what’s now Germany

    From 1519 to 1554 Spain ruled all of Italy but the Popes territories around Rome and Venice, Hungary Austria slovokia Czech Republic most of what’s now Germany NetherlandsSwitzerland, Belgium part of Denmark bits of Northern and southern France ; pretty much all of continental Europe but France Poland and Russia

    Should Spain get those countries back because it once ruled them???? Should Spain get its former American colonies back because they once ruled them? ???

    Should France get Canada back because France once ruled Canada???? Should Britian get their 13 American colonies back??? Should Spain get Florida back??? Should America England and Spain fight over the 1/3 if America that was once the Louisiana territory of France, then split between Spain and England then the southern section back to France and then to America ??

    By your logic, 1/3 of America should go back to France because France was there first.
  160. @Ron Unz

    Would you go further and argue that the entire United States would be ‘perfectly fine’ with whites at 30 per cent, bearing in mind that most of the remaining 70 per cent would hail from Third World countries which fall some way short of ‘perfectly fine’?
     
    Well, it all depends. Since California's current population is around 40 million and probably not much above 30% white European these days, I'd say it constitutes a pretty reasonable test-case.

    Now I was born in CA and have lived here nearly all of my life, so I think I have a pretty solid sense of things. I'd strongly argue that over the last fifty years some things have gotten better and some things have gotten worse, in complicated ways.

    I'd say that most of the things that have gotten better have been due to broader trends such as technological advances, with computers and the Internet being among the most important. Obviously, those same things have gotten better everywhere else in the US and the entire world. Another positive development has been the elimination of the smog that had been such a huge problem in the LA of the 1960s. Health care has gotten better for the same reason, but also much more ridiculously expensive, so it's a mixed bag, the same as everywhere else in the US.

    But if we're looking as changes/trends that are different in CA than in the rest of the US, I'd say that most things have gotten worse, especially quality of life. Traffic is certainly much worse and housing is ridiculously expensive, with the former problem substantially due to the latter, as a large fraction of the state's population has been pushed out into more distant and less desirable areas to live. These are universally recognized as two of the state's biggest problems, and extreme housing costs have also led to very high (adjusted) poverty rates, another huge problem. All of this is pretty much what you'd expect to happen as the CA population doubled from 20M to 40M on the same land area. Some of these problems are especially severe in the Silicon Valley areas.

    For example, here's a recent front-page SJ Mercury News story about a local immigrant family on the edge of homelessness because they can barely afford their rent of $1,900/month for a tiny apartment in one of the worst areas. Having only $1,900 for monthly rent would hardly be a problem almost anywhere else in America:

    https://game-leaks.com/shadow-of-homelessness-hangs-over-bay-area-students/

    Now immigration has obviously been a very large factor behind the doubling of the CA population, and since the latter has caused such a considerable decline in quality of life, it's perfectly reasonable to blame immigration for many of those problems. Basically, if you pack too many people inside a nice bus, it gets to be a serious problem.

    But I just don't see any evidence that the particular non-white racial skew of all those immigrants has been a major problem, at least over the last 15-20 years.

    Here's an absolutely crucial point that summarizes much of my position on that issue. During the late 1960s/early 1970s, California was about 80% white European and these days it's down to little more than 30%. Yet the degree of racially-tinged political conflict or violence back then was ***MASSIVELY*** greater than today. Indeed, I'd put it pretty close to zero in recent years. In fact, I'd say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here. That's simply a fact and you'd have a very hard time persuading sensible people who grew up here otherwise. (Pretty much the same is true for the huge decline in crime rates across most of the state.)

    Now I'd certainly agree that US immigration has been much too high in the last decade or two and should be substantially reduced, which would help alleviate all sorts of important problems.

    But based on the major California example, arguing for such reduction on racial grounds seems about the weakest possible argument to make. Since that's pretty obviously the underlying concern propelling so much of the agitated anti-immigration activists, perhaps that fact helps explain why they've had such total lack of success for decades.

    Also, given that over the last decade illegal immigration has been such a tiny sliver of total immigration (which is the real problem), Trump and the Republicans ranting about illegal immigrant being "killers and rapists" just sounds totally nutty to anyone sensible living in California.

    In 2018, the CA electorate was still 63% white, but the Trump/Republican immigration arguments didn't do very well here. The Republicans lost half their remaining Congressional seats and are now down to just 7(!) out of 55, while the Democrats gained 3/4ths(!) majorities in both houses of the State Legislature. So the views of the top Silicon Valley people aren't really all that totally different from the views of average CA whites.

    Suppose someone on the Internet was arguing that heavy immigration was causing all sorts of problems and should be reduced. Lots of people might say "Hmmm... Why do you think so?" But if the answer came back "Because lots of immigrants are actually werewolves and vampires!!!" I really doubt the fellow would have much success...

    I’d say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.

    This kind of violence is heavily repressed. Even “talk” of racial dislikes is extremely heavily repressed. It is true that you can keep people down with heavy totalitarian repression like California employs, but that doesn’t mean people don’t have racial or ethnic animus; it just means people are fearful. You can see what happens when the pressure cooker is removed in many instances in history, including, for example, the break-up of Yugoslavia.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here.

    This again depends on how you look at it. I find California to be amazingly segregated. You have Hispanics working in White businesses, but in general, not living with them. Integration is very poor. While I don’t sense a great hostility among the general population, there isn’t any great love either. You do not even see very many Hispanic-White couples – indeed, astoundingly few – despite the almost pervasive “economic integration” (meaning, Hispanics are constantly in contact with Whites due to work patterns).

    Again, it seems to me a lot of the conflict has been suppressed by California’s totalitarian Communist approach on any outward sign of “racism”, with the false “equality” dogma that Communists always use, which is perfectly displayed in SV itself.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    It is true that you can keep people down with heavy totalitarian repression like California employs, but that doesn’t mean people don’t have racial or ethnic animus; it just means people are fearful...Again, it seems to me a lot of the conflict has been suppressed by California’s totalitarian Communist approach on any outward sign of “racism”, with the false “equality” dogma that Communists always use, which is perfectly displayed in SV itself.
     
    Well, I think that you and I are living in different universes. Based on the voting patterns of white Californians, I think a large majority are living in mine.
  161. @mark green
    Hi Ron. Well said. Quite reasonable. You are basically correct on all points. But wait.

    Since 'racism' (expressing a racial preference in America when white) can bring about personal destruction--and just the allegation of 'racism' (like the allegation of 'antisemitism') is now used as a political weapon-- a full, broader and more honest examination the impact of 'illegal immigration' is sorely needed. Yet it's not there.

    Race, intelligence, class, physical appearance, temperment, drive, and personality do matter. Differences endure.

    The black experience in America tells us so.

    Diversity is not our strength. Commonality is our strength.

    Yet the 'diversity-is-our-strength' myth endures. And not by accident. This propaganda is a form of subterfuge.

    With that in mind, there is no good reason that the US should tolerate the unlawful entry of millions of Third World underachievers into our prosperous and orderly civilization. This is common sense talking. Wonderful 'diversity' is dividing our nation, not unifying it.

    This is the reasonable conclusion of many in the Alt-right. But they are denied a voice because these sentiments are declared 'racist'.

    The resent-driven Left (with plenty of help from the 'Hispanic community' and our MSM) also refuses to acknowledge the economic and cultural downside (affecting millions of white Americans) that countless Spanish-speaking, MesoAmericans create by sneaking into the US and establishing poor, welfare-dependent enclaves that vote as ethnic blocks.

    There's also the measurable political loss that occurs when whites become a minority inside their own country. These facts should require no explanation. But they do in the face of constant propaganda that surrounds the 'undocumented immigrant' question.

    We are at a tipping point. Why should white Americans continue along this path?

    Besides, the people of Mexico and Honduras and Guatemala already have their own countries. If we're all 'equal' then shouldn't these descendents of the Aztec and Mayan remain where they are and build up their own civilizations?

    Of course they should. This is common sense talking.

    Ironically, though 'white advocacy' in America has become taboo, it is needed more than ever.

    The opposition is uniting and organizing. The political heat is rising. But whites are paralyzed by accusations of 'racism' and 'white supremacy'. Even Trump must adjust his rhetoric accordingly.

    At the same time, many 'minorities' are allowed to express racial solidarity and work openly to advance their ethno-racial interests.

    These toxic, politically-correct double-standard undermine the interests of millions of everyday Americans whose ancestors came from Europe and who settled and built this enviable civilization.

    But today, countless white Americans are being displaced by foreign nationals. And court-approved 'affirmative action' is making the problem worse. Far worse.

    Let the declaration be made:

    White continuity matters.

    White kinship matters.

    White interests matter.

    Acknowledging this is not evil. Acknowledging this is not 'racist'. It is a fact of nature and humankind.

    Yet the common, collective interests of white Americans are being subverted by elites in our media, our government, throughout our courts, and within our universities. This is treason in slow motion.

    It is the inability of white Americans to openly discuss (and advocate for) white interests that drives many members of the Alt-right to resort to hyperbole concerning 'immigrant crime'. On this point you are absolutely correct, Ron.

    Whites are nevertheless in a box, especially those on the lower socio-economic spectrum. Their voice is being thwarted.

    After all, would the Japanese allow a racial transformation inside Japan to occur that is similar to what's happening inside America?

    No. It would be suicidal.

    Would the Chinese in China?

    Never.

    Or the Jews in Israel?

    Of course not. So why should we?

    It is America's new, adversarial establishment that is primarily to blame for this. Kevin MacDonald refers to them as 'hostile elites'.

    Unfortunately, connecting the dots on this subject makes one a 'white supremacist' to our media gatekeepers. And it is they who control the megaphone and manage 'mainstream' political discourse. They tell us who the bad guys are. It's us!

    Their politically-correct smears gives antifa thugs license to attack.

    After that, the police stand down.

    We saw this happen in Charlottesville.

    Lastly, the MSM prevaricates and distorts the events and the subsequent narrative. They win the propaganda war.

    Fact: America is a European-derived civilization. We want to keep it for our children and and our posterity. This goal is normal and natural; except that it's expression is no longer tolerated.

    This is tyranny.

    Hear! Hear!

  162. My wife spent the past 4 years in West Virginia, working for a time in a meat processing plant. The notion that West Virginians never see immigrants is preposterous. Perhaps in your silicon valley bubble, you feel comfortable making blanket statements about West Virginia, but these big plants import tons of immigrants, mostly dark Africans, to work them.
    Before that my wife was a Californian, has rubbed elbows with some heavy hitters in tech, etc, but has watched as CA has become a collection of various ethnic city-states.
    Of course silicon valley sees us as kooks as they live in a bubble, but we can’t change the facts about the ramifications of race. The fact is, the middle and upper classes are not going to start a revolution because they are too invested in the current system. So what they think and feel is completely irrelevant. Those of us who have to deal with the consequences of multiculturalism will be the ones to fight. I myself work with many fine Hispanics, but the surrounding towns are crime-ridden. Rich towns have ways to keep things in check. Some places keep the rent high, Survivor me make sure the cops are complete scumbags to any poor person from out of town, etc.

  163. @anonymous
    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., while in the Latin American countries from which they're drawn, they have the highest intentional homicide rate in the world, exceeding even the most violent African countries?*

    El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela top the list of countries by homicide rate, exceeding the U.S. figures by over ten fold. Mexico exceeds the US by almost four fold. (The American figure being mostly made up of Blacks and Hispanics, itself).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Why do Hispanics behave differently in the U.S. than they do in Latin America? Will this persist even after they achieve a critical mass? (Btw, what research into critical mass effects in Demographics have been done?)

    * But, the African figures may be somewhat questionable.

    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., while in the Latin American countries from which they’re drawn,

    Is this question really being posed honestly? Surely, all you would need to do is think about the question for a few minutes to come up with a theory. Or more than one theory even.

    There are two obvious theories that aren’t even mutually exclusive.

    The first obvious theory is that the people committing most of the crimes in the countries of origin are not the ones emigrating to the U.S.

    That’s the simplest possibility. The other thing to consider is that crime, like most other human behavior, is situational. It occurs in a specific context. For example, it is well known that Lieutenant William Calley and the rest of Charlie Company entered a Vietnamese village called My Lai and massacred hundreds of villagers, mostly women and children.

    I am pretty sure that, by and large, these same people who did that, after returning to their home towns in the States, never committed such crimes again, or anything remotely similar.

    Is there some mystery there that needs explaining?

    The horrific violence in Central America is taking place in a specific context. There are specific conditions there that are not present in the U.S.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    According to the reigning philosophy of this website, HBD, crime is genetic and not situational.
  164. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/Daniel_Friberg/status/1056313100666892290

    That’s the kind of SATANIC FILTH!!!! that was very common on the Reagan Whitehouse according to a 1980 Washington Times front page news story…..And it was also going in the George W Bush Whitehouse…..

    Reagan-Bush Family Rule=HOMOSEXUAL PEDERASTY….

    This is how California was lost….rule by homosexual pederasts….

  165. anon[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @wierdo
    Whites could be more persuasive if they focus on some failings among their own bottom 10% at the moment, and try to help them rise up from drugs, tattoos, out-of-wedlock-births, and "the life".

    The Charlottesville pictures were awful: damned fools waving Nazi-stuff, and a few nuts were sporting Klan-clothing. I remember your average white in a collared shirt and khakis back in the eighties, seemingly trying to dress and comport themselves in emulation of their social superiors, not trailer-park-hate-attire.

    The alt-right should focus on immigration-reduction first, but then charity and boosterism amongst their fellow whites. If a local polity wants to pull down some statues, and the majority of the voting populace in that area supports it, then so be it. All tussles with antifa are going to be covered by the media as white violence.

    I do have an idea at how to stab at the white left's underbelly however. If you are a white in a hopeless political district, you could register as a democrat and always vote for the minority candidate in the democratic primaries. The more white democrats that realize that they have no place in the party of color, and will not be elected no matter how much corporate money gets thrown at them, the more they will start to see things our way. If for instance in Ron Unz's California, Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, and Newsome all lost their primaries to Mexican-income-redistributionist-candidates in the next Democratic primaries because hordes of former white republican voters crossed lines and voted for them, the realization that they will not be running the future multicultural America will truly dawn on them.

    Whites could be more persuasive if they focus on some failings among their own bottom 10% at the moment, and try to help them rise up from drugs, tattoos, out-of-wedlock-births, and “the life”.

    when you’re being flooded by illegal aliens because a treasonous govt refuses to secure the border, blame yourself

  166. @CalDre

    Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate.
     
    What technically is "White" to you? Arabs are White, yet many Whites (despite denying Arabs are White) consider them to be especially violent (rightly or wrongly).

    Also, how do you measure murder rates? Consider WW II, which, at least in the European theater, was a war entirely between Whites in which 30 million or more were killed. How many years would it take S. America, with its current crime rates, to catch up to that tidy sum? Think of all the prior European wars, and the violence of feudalism.

    Perhaps if you tried to adjust for poverty and other factors you would find that these elements are more critical to crime rates than race. As a data point, consider crime rates in Russia during the Yeltsin years versus now, after economic stability has been restored, and consider the economic conditions in the high-crime Latin American areas. Indeed, go a step further, and compare Latin American crime rates over time against economic conditions for the lower classes over time.

    Here is another perspective: how many non-Whites have Whites murdered, if you count all of the wars and colonizations by White people? How many Native Americans, who greeted Columbus with flowers and gifts, were murdered and enslaved by him and his greedy criminal allies?

    Perhaps it can be said, that Whites are much more likely to commit collective, organized violence than other races?

    Anyway, I don't have all the answers, I just do know your comment is way over-simplistic.

    How many Native Americans, who greeted Columbus with flowers and gifts…

    who told you that?

    • Replies: @CalDre
    Columbus' diaries. There's lots of works on them. Short summary at https://www.theodysseyonline.com/christopher-columbus-villain but I basically just searched for 2 seconds and posted the first link I found. Easy enough to research though.
  167. @anonymous
    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., while in the Latin American countries from which they're drawn, they have the highest intentional homicide rate in the world, exceeding even the most violent African countries?*

    El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela top the list of countries by homicide rate, exceeding the U.S. figures by over ten fold. Mexico exceeds the US by almost four fold. (The American figure being mostly made up of Blacks and Hispanics, itself).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Why do Hispanics behave differently in the U.S. than they do in Latin America? Will this persist even after they achieve a critical mass? (Btw, what research into critical mass effects in Demographics have been done?)

    * But, the African figures may be somewhat questionable.

    it must be the magic dirt

  168. @Colin Wright
    'stop pretending to be Alt-Right?'

    Are you saying I'm not really one of the faithful?

    aren’t you the one with a website “alternative right dot com”?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    Why I should pander to your laziness is a good question, but no, I'm not.
  169. anon[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deschutes
    Ron says-

    But Silicon Valley is a different story. One-third of the local population consists of Hispanic immigrants, mostly Mexican and a large fraction from an illegal immigrant background.
     
    It's easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s. The Mexican Revolution for Independence from Spain in 1821 resulted in California becoming part of Mexico. Nobody spoke English, and all of the colonists were of Spanish descent. It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA, and up until this time vast majority of settlers spoke Spanish or were of Mexican heritage. This date was when the California Gold rush brought in hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Yankees from the eastern states.

    My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don't know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans. All of the names are Spanish: San Francisco, Los Angeles, California, Colorado, El Paso, Santa Fe, etc. So they are not 'immigrants' in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).

    It’s easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s.

    claimed? that’s a cute word

    who did they steal it from?

    The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).

    by “fucked everything up” i presume you mean “built everything”

    if only the western U.S. was more like mejico the world would be a much better place, eh?

  170. As I understood it from monitoring sand mining in the USA for the Commerce Dept., Silicon valley is there because there is high quality sand to make computer chips. That is not required for “tech giants” not in the hardware field of computer manufacture. As the software tech giants move away from there or simply have to expand to other areas, their employees will be relocating too. Perhaps they will see things different as they will have to live in not so “Silicon Valley” surroundings. I don’t know, never gave the issue of Silicon Valley being all that important to the culture wars currently going on.

  171. @Deschutes
    Ron says-

    But Silicon Valley is a different story. One-third of the local population consists of Hispanic immigrants, mostly Mexican and a large fraction from an illegal immigrant background.
     
    It's easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s. The Mexican Revolution for Independence from Spain in 1821 resulted in California becoming part of Mexico. Nobody spoke English, and all of the colonists were of Spanish descent. It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA, and up until this time vast majority of settlers spoke Spanish or were of Mexican heritage. This date was when the California Gold rush brought in hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Yankees from the eastern states.

    My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don't know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans. All of the names are Spanish: San Francisco, Los Angeles, California, Colorado, El Paso, Santa Fe, etc. So they are not 'immigrants' in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).

    Those “Spanish” were a lot different from the current “Hispanic” Indians, so different they have almost nothing in common except for those Mexican Indians learning a European language . Just as the ‘white Spanish” had nothing to do with the Indians running around Mexico other than kill and enslave them. Sure the “Spanish” were in California first, but those Spanish were white people and they don’t exist in California anymore and have not for hundreds of years. Simply put Mexicans are not Spanish so to claim they have some sort of ethnic precedent right to takeover California ain’t there.

  172. @mark green
    Tim Wise is NOT Jewish? I think that you are mistaken about this. I had an exchange with Tim Wise and he says he's Jewish and I believe him. Considering his typical (((opinions))), Wise would probably have broader appeal and more credibility if indeed he was not a Jew. Thus I cannot see a reason why he would lie about his ethnic background. Here's my article (and exchange) with Tim Wise.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/30/my-smackdown-with-anti-white-crusader-tim-wise/

    Great exchange, Mark. Thanks for brining it to our attention.

    Speaking of bringing things to people’s attention, at the very end of your email exchanges it indicates that you are the editor of the book, Persecution, Priviledge & Power.

    Here is the Product Description on Amazon:

    “PERSECUTION, PRIVILEGE & POWER” is a controversial but compelling collection of articles that critically explores the impact and influence of organized Zionism on American life and global politics. In one volume, thirty contributing editors weigh in on the hottest and most taboo subject in the Western world; namely, the overpowering reach and influence of organized Jewish groups towards directing policies in Washington that are favorable to the State of Israel or the perceived well-being of Jews world-wide. The taboo against critically exploring the downside of these tribal machinations is cast aside in this searing and informative anthology. Among the distinguished commentators found in “PERSECUTION, PRIVILEGE & POWER” are: James Petras, Charlie Reese, Alison weir, Ray McGovern, Kevin MacDonald, Stephen Lendman, John V. Whitbeck, Israel Shamir, Mark Weber, Richard Curtiss, Gilad Atzmon, Joseph Sobran and others. Throughout this volume, Israel’s dubious role as an American ‘asset’ goes under the microscope, as does that nation’s favored status with whatever Party rules Washington. The writing is direct and penetrating and the conclusions are often explosive. Domestic politics–even world history–will never quite be the same after reading this incisive compilation of web-based analysis. “PERSECUTION, PRIVILEGE & POWER” is a fast read that also makes a provocative and memorable gift.

    I think as many Unzers as possible should make a point of purchasing your book.I know I will be.

    • Replies: @mark green
    Hi Geo. Thank you! Yes, the JQ is such a complex matter that it takes dozens of essayists to decipher and analyze its opaque protocols and devious machinations.
  173. Here is how the game is being played:

    America created by European People………The Pakistan Muslim “Americans”….Korean “Americans”….Hindu “Americans”…..Han People “Americans”…SCREAM:NATIVE AMERICANS GENOCIDED BY EUROPEANS!!!….now hand the keys for America’s LIVING AND BREEDING SPACE over to US…the highly racialized majority nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc….don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out…..and flushed down the toilets of the PUNJAB….goes the sewage about the AMERICAN INJUN….America now belongs to OUR RACIAL TRIBE NOW!!!….

    I say:OH YEAH….FUCK ALL YOU MUZZIE “AMERICANS”….HAN PROPLE “AMERICANS….HINDU “AMERICANS”……..America belongs to my people….THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS MAJORITY!!!!

  174. Dear Mr. Unz,

    I really appreciate your website and the opportunity it offers for airing a diversity of viewpoints. That said, it seems to me that your criticism of “Alt-Right” commentary suffers from the very same faults which you find so objectionable.

    For example: “70% of the most visible and heated rhetoric coming from Donald Trump has involved ferocious attacks on Muslims, Mexicans, and immigrants in general…” Seriously, it’s you who need to get your facts straight. First let’s delete the unnecessary judgmental adjectives “heated rhetoric” and “ferocious” — these are propaganda words which apparently represent your opinion and, by the way, are in conformity with the prevailing leftist, anti-Trump narrative. Here’s a statistical analysis of Donald Trump’s Tweets which reveals the truth: theconversation.com/the-math-behind-trumps-tweets-100314 Please show me the “ferocious attacks.”

  175. One comment per hour? Then no comments at all? How have I sinned?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    One comment per hour? Then no comments at all? How have I sinned?
     
    That's very odd. There was a temporary bug in which leaving an opinion-comment prevented regular commenting for the next hour, but I fixed it yesterday. Any latency in the system should have long since expired.
  176. @Deschutes
    Ron says-

    But Silicon Valley is a different story. One-third of the local population consists of Hispanic immigrants, mostly Mexican and a large fraction from an illegal immigrant background.
     
    It's easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s. The Mexican Revolution for Independence from Spain in 1821 resulted in California becoming part of Mexico. Nobody spoke English, and all of the colonists were of Spanish descent. It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA, and up until this time vast majority of settlers spoke Spanish or were of Mexican heritage. This date was when the California Gold rush brought in hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Yankees from the eastern states.

    My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don't know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans. All of the names are Spanish: San Francisco, Los Angeles, California, Colorado, El Paso, Santa Fe, etc. So they are not 'immigrants' in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).

    It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA

    If California were still a province of Mexico today, they would all want te emmigrate, and Trump would promise to build a wall on the California border.

    Given all the millions of illegals who escape Mexico to come here, you would think that they would wish America had annexed all of Mexico instead of just part of it.

  177. @anonymous
    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., while in the Latin American countries from which they're drawn, they have the highest intentional homicide rate in the world, exceeding even the most violent African countries?*

    El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela top the list of countries by homicide rate, exceeding the U.S. figures by over ten fold. Mexico exceeds the US by almost four fold. (The American figure being mostly made up of Blacks and Hispanics, itself).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Why do Hispanics behave differently in the U.S. than they do in Latin America? Will this persist even after they achieve a critical mass? (Btw, what research into critical mass effects in Demographics have been done?)

    * But, the African figures may be somewhat questionable.

    Whitey runs the government, the police, and the prisons here. In Latin America, the natives run those institutions.

  178. @Ron Unz

    The reason why Silicon Valley does what is does has nothing to do with some analysis of what they believe are lies and facts. It has more to do with their placating their workforce which is predominantly college brainwashed and woke.
     
    That's an interesting point, and I think it has some element of truth, especially on certain types of PC issues.

    But senior execs are obviously more willing to go along with the opinions of their workforce if they almost entirely agree with them privately.

    I have an enormous amount of respect for Ron Unz, but on this issue you are just plain worng.

    New York State keeps detailed crime statistics broken down by race, except for ht efac they lump in Arabs, Indians, and the rest of the lighter skinned browns as “white people”. And yet still the most recent statitics read as below.

    QUOTE : The race/ethnicity of known Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects mirrors the victim population with Black (61.7%) and Hispanic (27.0%) suspects accounting for the majority of suspects. White suspects account for (7.7%) of all Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects……..

    Rape suspects are most frequently Black (49.5%) or Hispanic (33.4%). White suspects account for (11.2%) of all Rape suspects………..

    The race/ethnicity of known Robbery suspects is primarily Black (67.0%). Hispanic suspects account for an additional (26.5%) of the suspect population. White suspects account for (4.4%) of all Robbery suspects……..

    The race/ethnicity of known Shooting suspects is most frequently Black (74.7%). Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional (22.2%) of all suspects. White suspects (2.1%) and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.8%) accounted for the remaining portion of known Shooting suspects……….. END QUOTE

    Source : New York Crime and Enforcement Activity, 2017.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2017-enforcement-report.pdf

    And it is not merely crime that is the problem. In my country, Canada, the place has been completely ruined by the invasion of the turd world. White people can no longer afford homes in the cities they created. Crime, pollution, housing costs, fuel , and every single indicator of a reduced quality of life has gone off the charts for every white Canadian.

    If you want to call me an “alt-right” I suppose I wouldn’t object. But no sane human should stand by while his racial group is holocausted. And I mean a real holocaust, not the fake one we all acknowledge was created out of whole cloth.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    I have an enormous amount of respect for Ron Unz, but on this issue you are just plain worng.
     
    No. Although I don't dispute your New York statistics, your analysis is completely mistaken. Among other things, I discussed the very noticeable regional variations in Hispanic crime rates in my major paper on the subject from years ago, which I would strongly encourage you to read:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    The high incarceration rate for these Caribbean Hispanics may partially explain general perceptions of Hispanic crime rates. A large proportion of America’s intellectual, media, and political elite lives in the Northeast, in cities like New York and Boston, and if the Hispanics traditionally living in those areas have unusually high rates of criminal activity, there would be a natural if mistaken tendency to assume that this same pattern also applied to Hispanic groups throughout the country.
     
    The factual evidence supporting my position is absolutely overwhelming.
    , @David Baker
    Jews are racists. Israel is a cauldron of Jewish Supremacist attitudes applied toward Palestinians, Ethiopians and East European Women, who are lured to Israel with legitimate job offers. When these women arrive, they're forced to work as sex slaves within Israel's thriving brothel industry. On a regional scale, they're attempting to subjugate neighboring nations using U.S. Military Forces and/or U.S. Military Hardware. Ethiopian women in Israel are forced to be sterilized by injections, and their males are regarded as second class citizens. Jews are an insular tribe, whose pernicious greed, mendacity and treachery have combined to cause their ouster from each nation in which they've assembled in significant numbers. Israel is a safe house for Jews. Herzl understood the need to provide a refuge for the tribe. Unfortunately, Jews picked the wrong location to set up shop in the Middle East.
  179. While I agree with this piece by Ron Unz, he has in the recent past written columns that seem to me as crazy as the ones which he now criticizes. I refer in particular to his accusations that Gen. Bill Donovan murdered Gen. George Patton.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  180. @anon
    OT:

    looks like we on the right actually shamed the state of Texas into labeling the beaners on their Ten Most Wanted Criminals as "White (Hispanic)" now instead of the usual Gomez's, Gonzalez, Ramirez etc being called "White"

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    notice 8 out of 10 hispanic, 9 out of 10 non-white

    Incredible. Brown as a sand dune, heavily Mexican features, and yet still they claim White with (Hispanic) in parenthesis.

    I wonder if these “White guys” would get turned down if they applied for MOB set asides on government contracts?

  181. @CalDre

    Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate.
     
    What technically is "White" to you? Arabs are White, yet many Whites (despite denying Arabs are White) consider them to be especially violent (rightly or wrongly).

    Also, how do you measure murder rates? Consider WW II, which, at least in the European theater, was a war entirely between Whites in which 30 million or more were killed. How many years would it take S. America, with its current crime rates, to catch up to that tidy sum? Think of all the prior European wars, and the violence of feudalism.

    Perhaps if you tried to adjust for poverty and other factors you would find that these elements are more critical to crime rates than race. As a data point, consider crime rates in Russia during the Yeltsin years versus now, after economic stability has been restored, and consider the economic conditions in the high-crime Latin American areas. Indeed, go a step further, and compare Latin American crime rates over time against economic conditions for the lower classes over time.

    Here is another perspective: how many non-Whites have Whites murdered, if you count all of the wars and colonizations by White people? How many Native Americans, who greeted Columbus with flowers and gifts, were murdered and enslaved by him and his greedy criminal allies?

    Perhaps it can be said, that Whites are much more likely to commit collective, organized violence than other races?

    Anyway, I don't have all the answers, I just do know your comment is way over-simplistic.

    Rabble rabble. More obfuscation by comparing wars to non-wartime. All of these people have their own countries. How about they go live in them and leave us alone. Surely they should be able to make something of them if they’re so wonderful. Surely they don’t need to ride our coat-tails and blood-suck us to death?

    Nobody is confused about who’s white. Everyone knows it means an unmixed EUROPEAN. The only time someone acts confused is when we make a positive claim on something that is ours. Then it suddenly becomes “what’s white?” Every other time when affirmative action and other punitive measures are the focus, everyone knows exactly who’s white and who’s not.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
  182. @wierdo
    Whites could be more persuasive if they focus on some failings among their own bottom 10% at the moment, and try to help them rise up from drugs, tattoos, out-of-wedlock-births, and "the life".

    The Charlottesville pictures were awful: damned fools waving Nazi-stuff, and a few nuts were sporting Klan-clothing. I remember your average white in a collared shirt and khakis back in the eighties, seemingly trying to dress and comport themselves in emulation of their social superiors, not trailer-park-hate-attire.

    The alt-right should focus on immigration-reduction first, but then charity and boosterism amongst their fellow whites. If a local polity wants to pull down some statues, and the majority of the voting populace in that area supports it, then so be it. All tussles with antifa are going to be covered by the media as white violence.

    I do have an idea at how to stab at the white left's underbelly however. If you are a white in a hopeless political district, you could register as a democrat and always vote for the minority candidate in the democratic primaries. The more white democrats that realize that they have no place in the party of color, and will not be elected no matter how much corporate money gets thrown at them, the more they will start to see things our way. If for instance in Ron Unz's California, Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, and Newsome all lost their primaries to Mexican-income-redistributionist-candidates in the next Democratic primaries because hordes of former white republican voters crossed lines and voted for them, the realization that they will not be running the future multicultural America will truly dawn on them.

    99% of the people at Charlottesville were wearing white polo shirts. You bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker, or you’re just being disingenuous on purpose, which is the more likely case.

    In any case the misfortunes of the bottom 10% of the white population are GREATLY exacerbated by anti-white race laws and policies. There’s not much you can do to help these people when the government decides the winners and losers in life and has marked them as the losers. There’s no logical reason outside of the government fixing the results that their lot in life should be so bad, as after all they test about as well as the top income bracket of blacks.

  183. As long as Mr. Unz continues to provide a platform for those censored he has done his duty.

    As for the perception that if it’s not happening in Silicon Valley it isn’t real – that’s merely human and must be forgiven and understood. Nothing is real until it happens to you.

    To return to censorship it’s a net plus: Perhaps now that the peasants aren’t even allowed to grumble they’ll realize we aren’t talking, blogging, meme-ing our way out of this – nor voting, nor alternative media platforms, nor prayer, nor Jesus.

    By all means do continue ineffective repression: it enrages without intimidating.

    Denying us voice narrows down the options.

    The options are: 1] possible peaceful neo-liberal collapse.
    2] War.

  184. @Biff

    If the Fed gov was instead used a weapon against your type
     
    “Danger” liberal ahead.

    Address the argument. You are ok with the government being used, clearly. You just don’t want the savage riff-raff in your locale. As long as it’s not putting up Section 8 and using HUD to throw them into your neighbourhoods you seem to be just fine with it. Out of sight, out of mind. Well maybe it should spread around evenly, and your neighbourhoods have quite the quota to meet.

    • Replies: @Biff

    Well maybe it should spread around evenly, and your neighbourhoods have quite the quota to meet.
     
    My neighborhood is probably thee most ethnically homogeneous cities on the planet, and “they” would like to keep it that way - I don’t get to vote, and far lefties need not apply.

    http://www.city-data.com/world-cities/Bangkok-People.html
  185. Suddenly, it occurs to me what Ron Unz’s open letter reminds me of:

    I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling bullshitting is going on here!

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Z-man
    Yeah, lol, I was waiting for a punch line, tips on the stock market, sage advice to the censored but got nothing.
    , @Kevin Barrett
    Unz and Revusky are right. The achilles heel of the alt-right is unreflective, misinformed racism. Or should we just call it "racist bullshit."

    Revusky, by the way, has been crusading against racist bullshit here and elsewhere for quite some time. Give the dude some credit!

    Unz is spot-on in this article. The alt-right should dial down its racial obsessions, especially the completely insane ones, and go about demolishing the neoliberal consensus using truth, not lies. There are plenty of explosively subversive truths lying around waiting to be picked up and lobbed at the Establishment. Political correctness, in particular, can be annihilated for fun and profit without resorting to counterproductive racist bullshit.

    People who feel the need to indulge in white pride style racial politics should focus on the positive aspects of European heritage, and downplay or eliminate negative claims about other groups, especially when those claims are demonstrably untrue (i.e. most bashing of Mexicans, immigrants, Muslims, etc.)

    Avoiding egregiously stupid racism removes the leading justification/excuse for censorship. It is also a good political strategy for winning new converts.
  186. @Bill Smith
    You successfully convinced me that racial diversity works best when everyone has a six figure job and expensive real estate.

    Exactly, life is great in communities with the top 0.01% IQ running the show.

  187. @utu
    One comment per hour? Then no comments at all? How have I sinned?

    One comment per hour? Then no comments at all? How have I sinned?

    That’s very odd. There was a temporary bug in which leaving an opinion-comment prevented regular commenting for the next hour, but I fixed it yesterday. Any latency in the system should have long since expired.

  188. @Svigor

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of “mass exodus.”
     
    LOL, different strokes, I guess. Because I call that a mass exodus.

    (Especially when talking about the best real estate on the planet)

    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of “mass exodus.”

    LOL, different strokes, I guess. Because I call that a mass exodus.

    Well, I don’t think an average white decline of 0.3% per year in CA over fifty years would be called a “mass exodus” by most people. Moreover, it helps to distinguish between two models.

    Some agitated people claim that whites are fleeing CA because of the horrors of living as a shrinking minority in a mostly non-white state.

    Meanwhile, I claim that whites have gradually been pushed out by outrageously expensive housing costs as well as terrible traffic and serious economic competition with immigrant workers.

    I’d say that a white decline of 0.3% per year seems to strongly support my analysis of the situation.

    • Replies: @anon

    Meanwhile, I claim that whites have gradually been pushed out by outrageously expensive housing costs...
     
    what could be causing that?
    , @CanSpeccy

    Meanwhile, I claim that whites have gradually been pushed out by outrageously expensive housing costs as well as terrible traffic and serious economic competition with immigrant workers.
     
    Have whites been pushed out or have they merely been dying off? Apparently the latter. Europeans, generally, have below replacement fertility rates. Mass immigration, by creating competition for employment and housing contributes to the decline in European fertility rates. The combination of sub-replacement fertility and mass immigration leads to progressive elimination of Europeans from their former homelands. The Unz program for mass immigration of Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners etc. is thus in fact a program for white European genocide.
  189. An Open Letter to the “Alt-Right” and Others

    Given his political tendencies, rather than writing an OL to the Alt-Right, I would have expected Ron to have written a letter to the “Alt-Left” organizations, such as the SPLC and the ADL.

    Excerpt from IS FREE SPEECH UNDER ATTACK BY TECH COMPANIES AND MEDIA OUTLETS WITH A LEFT-LEANING AGENDA?

    At issue in particular is the media’s use of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) to single out groups that should be targeted by tech companies for removal. Many on the right claim that the ADL and the SPLC are left-leaning organizations that use their list as a political cudgel against those they don’t agree with, like traditional Christian conservative organizations and others that oppose illegal immigration, unjustly lumping them together with white supremacist groups.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/23/is-free-speech-under-attack-by-tech-companies-and-media-outlets-with-a-left-leaning-agenda/

    So, Ron expects us Dumb Goyim to accept his thesis that like himself the leaders of Big Texh companies are simply too busy with their software development projects to realize who they’re getting in bed with – i.e., left-leaning organizations, such as the ADL and SPLC?

    That their views happen to perfectly align is just coincidental? They are mere babes in the woods who are being taken advantage of and duped by those sly leaders of the ADL and SPLC?

    Sure, Ron. Whatever you say.

    Since these Big Tech companies provide essential services to the American public, what The Dumb Goyim need to do is demand that they become regulated public entities, pronto.

    P.S. still waiting for your OL to the Alt-Left, Ron.

  190. @Saxon
    Let's be real here. Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate. Central and South American countries have some of the highest murder rates in the world. They are utter hellholes. The fact that the US government calls Mestizos and every other non-European they can "White" for the purpose of obfuscating the crime rates in the US doesn't change this fact. It doesn't matter that blacks are overall generally the worst.

    Letting these people in is more crime that can be prevented by not letting them in. In any case, they all have their own countries. If they're really as great as you claim they are, why are their countries all such toilet bowls?

    Let’s be real here. Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate.

    No, you are entirely incorrect. I actually dealt with this issue at considerable length in a detailed analysis published almost a decade ago, and all the subsequent data has strongly supported my conclusions:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    You’ve simply fallen for a (rightwing) media hoax, matching the numerous ones on the Left.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    Ron, respecfully, as Stalin may have stated, it depends on who is doing the counting. A poster with the user handle ANON linked Texas' Most Wanted, pointing out that only recently was the change made to include the term "Hispanic" attached to what Texas used to call white people. These are clearly Hispanic criminals, and yet STILL Texas calls them "white" in their description. See link below.

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    Further supporting my statement , even the nutty left Young Turks devoted a segment to Texas calling Hispanic criminals "white" people.

    It difficult to square your figures with what we know about the malreporting of racial stats. Until recently, the FBI did not even have a category for Hispanics, and lumped them as white. Even now, (or at least the last time I checked) the FBI listed Hispanics as VICTIMS, but not as criminals.

    Please note that in the study of 16 million tickets undertaken by the local TV station KXAN, 4 out the top 5 last names Texas claimed where "white" people were Martinez, Hernandez, Garcia, and Rodrigez.

    You may have a point when you speak about war, but I am about as certain as I can be that the stats you used in your 2005 article are simply not correct. Hispanics commit multiple times more crimes than white people, particularly violent crimes .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yku-MSkN9cM
  191. @anonymous
    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S., while in the Latin American countries from which they're drawn, they have the highest intentional homicide rate in the world, exceeding even the most violent African countries?*

    El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela top the list of countries by homicide rate, exceeding the U.S. figures by over ten fold. Mexico exceeds the US by almost four fold. (The American figure being mostly made up of Blacks and Hispanics, itself).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Why do Hispanics behave differently in the U.S. than they do in Latin America? Will this persist even after they achieve a critical mass? (Btw, what research into critical mass effects in Demographics have been done?)

    * But, the African figures may be somewhat questionable.

    Can someone (Ron?) put forward a theory as to why Hispanics have similar violent crime rates to non-Hispanic whites in the U.S. while…El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela top the list of countries by homicide rate, exceeding the U.S. figures by over ten fold….Why do Hispanics behave differently in the U.S. than they do in Latin America?

    Sure, as others have discussed upthread, it’s because of different social and governmental conditions.

    Take Germans, who are extremely law-abiding and have always had very low crime rates in the U.S.. But during the Thirty Years Wars, they massacred each other in such huge numbers that the killings and chaos reduced Germany’s population by something like 35-40%, a result orders-of-magnitude worse than anything seen in Central America.

    If you look at the reported homicide rates in Mexico and Central America, they’ve varied quite considerably over the last 50 years, so although they’re very bad now, they weren’t in the past.

    • Replies: @anarcocapitalist
    Of course social and governmental conditions have effects on group behavior, but am i wrong to conclude from your Hispanic crime essay that with regard to blacks, it’s different?
    , @jilles dykstra
    There was no Germany during the Thirty Years war.
    It was created in 1871.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    Having to resort to citing an extreme 400-year-old outlier as evidence that European countries are just as prone to civic dissolution as Amerindian societies amounts to using the exception to confirm the rule, little different than pointing to Emmit Till as evidence of the persistence of lynch mobs. When it comes to Mestizo LatAm countries, the real challenge is in finding significant time periods over the last 500 years in which a single country was not embroiled in homicidal mayhem.


    Europe has fought many fratricidal wars. But after war comes peace, often protracted. On the other hand, the deposition of one vicious caudillo is followed by the bloody coup of another, with all the low-level victims, lifelong vendettas and general collapse of already tenuous social capital that go with it.

    It's tough to build a cohesive society containing a million bucolic Simon Wiesenthals and Adolf Eichmanns, especially when the assigned role changes based on the person asked.
  192. @Deschutes
    Ron says-

    But Silicon Valley is a different story. One-third of the local population consists of Hispanic immigrants, mostly Mexican and a large fraction from an illegal immigrant background.
     
    It's easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s. The Mexican Revolution for Independence from Spain in 1821 resulted in California becoming part of Mexico. Nobody spoke English, and all of the colonists were of Spanish descent. It was only after the Mexican-American war in 1848 that California finally became part of the USA, and up until this time vast majority of settlers spoke Spanish or were of Mexican heritage. This date was when the California Gold rush brought in hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Yankees from the eastern states.

    My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don't know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans. All of the names are Spanish: San Francisco, Los Angeles, California, Colorado, El Paso, Santa Fe, etc. So they are not 'immigrants' in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first. English speakers came much later (and then fucked everything up).

    It’s easy to overlook the fact that California, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada were all first colonized by the Spanish, and that all of what is now the southwest United States was first claimed by Spain in the 1600-1700s…My point in mentioning this history is that most Americans don’t know the history of the American southwest, and that Mexicans were here first, well before Americans…So they are not ‘immigrants’ in fact. The Spanish speakers were here first.

    That’s actually a considerable distortion. When America seized those territories (and Texas), they constituted roughly half of Mexico’s land area but were so thinly populated, they held only about 1% of Mexico’s population. With the exception of New Mexico, they were mostly empty desert filled with scattered Indian tribes. For example, there were only something like 7,000 Spanish speakers in California and maybe twice that in Texas. These tiny populations were quickly swamped and absorbed in the huge waves of American newcomers who flooded into the area.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '...For example, there were only something like 7,000 Spanish speakers in California and maybe twice that in Texas. These tiny populations were quickly swamped and absorbed in the huge waves of American newcomers who flooded into the area...'

    It's also to be noted that at least some of those Mexicans were less than enamored of Mexican rule.

    For example, before we annexed the disputed portion of Texas, we polled the affected population: would you rather continue to be part of Mexico or become part of the US?

    They voted to be annexed by the US. Personally, I think it would have worked out a lot better for all concerned if we'd just annexed all of Mexico rather than those bits that didn't contain many Mexicans anyway.

    With a relatively small population, they'd all have been assimilated long ago, and in any case, with good government, the joyous tide of European immigration would have submerged them as well.

    We'd all be about 2% more Indian and a lot bigger, but otherwise, about as we are now minus an impoverished Mexico endlessly overflowing next door.
  193. @CalDre

    I’d say that the degree of racial/ethnic friction in 30% white CA might even be less than it was between Irish and Italians living in the Boston area 50-odd years ago.
     
    This kind of violence is heavily repressed. Even "talk" of racial dislikes is extremely heavily repressed. It is true that you can keep people down with heavy totalitarian repression like California employs, but that doesn't mean people don't have racial or ethnic animus; it just means people are fearful. You can see what happens when the pressure cooker is removed in many instances in history, including, for example, the break-up of Yugoslavia.

    So one thing that has *enormously* improved in CA over the last couple of generations has been the almost total disappearance of the sharp racial conflict that used to be such a major problem here.
     
    This again depends on how you look at it. I find California to be amazingly segregated. You have Hispanics working in White businesses, but in general, not living with them. Integration is very poor. While I don't sense a great hostility among the general population, there isn't any great love either. You do not even see very many Hispanic-White couples - indeed, astoundingly few - despite the almost pervasive "economic integration" (meaning, Hispanics are constantly in contact with Whites due to work patterns).

    Again, it seems to me a lot of the conflict has been suppressed by California's totalitarian Communist approach on any outward sign of "racism", with the false "equality" dogma that Communists always use, which is perfectly displayed in SV itself.

    It is true that you can keep people down with heavy totalitarian repression like California employs, but that doesn’t mean people don’t have racial or ethnic animus; it just means people are fearful…Again, it seems to me a lot of the conflict has been suppressed by California’s totalitarian Communist approach on any outward sign of “racism”, with the false “equality” dogma that Communists always use, which is perfectly displayed in SV itself.

    Well, I think that you and I are living in different universes. Based on the voting patterns of white Californians, I think a large majority are living in mine.

    • Replies: @CalDre
    "different universes" - SV (technology) and other "power centers" (Hollywood - movies; New York - advertising/finance; D.C. - politics) are indeed a different universe. Even though they have an enormous impact on the rest of the world, they are an extremely tiny portion of the world. They are representative of nobody.

    " Based on the voting patterns" - Voting patterns means nothing. Don't tell me you believe we live in a "democracy". I have traveled far and wide in California and while I hardly discuss the topic with everyone, I have scarcely met people who approve of the state's "sanctuary law" or that agree with "open borders", yet, based on "voting patterns", you would conclude an overwhelming majority of Californians support both policies.

    "Voting patterns" in China indicate the Communist Party is hugely popular. So did "voting patterns" in USSR until 1991 - when suddenly the "voting patterns" changed. Voting patterns are a statistic. And you know what they say about eyes and statistics ....

    Fundamentally where we disagree, is that I believe there is such a thing as "human nature", call it "instinct", and a very, very primal aspect of human nature is that people much prefer those who are similar over those who are dissimilar. No matter how much Communist propaganda the State throws at it, this does not change - because, it is human nature.

    Open borders and sanctuary laws violate the most basic aspects of human nature (as does, for example, gay marriage).

    Also I think this is why Californians are so miserable - because the more the propaganda departs from human nature, the more alienated people become from their inner selves, the unhappier people become.

    I have no doubt California, as its current form of State, is going to fail miserably, as it is a miserable experiment in totalitarian thought control, just like every other Communist effort before it.

    And please don't start with the "Californians are enlightened" line. Look at the "polls" on how Californians feel about "Russian interference in the election" and other data, it is obvious Californians are just bleating sheep regurgitating the propaganda they are fed daily, just like everyone else. In fact Californians are particularly submissive sheep, they swallow the Bolshevik propaganda (whether it be trans-, "gay", "immigration" or anything else) quicker than any other group I can think of. If the State ever collapses, you will learn extremely quickly what a fraudulent fig leaf this "manufactured consensus" is. It does not reflect reality but a deep fear of speaking "out of line" and being labeled and denounced.

    Back to the immigration point: there are the "statistics" (voting patterns) and then there is reality. As I have noted, although about 40% of the State is White and 40% Hispanic, you rarely if ever see White-Hispanic couples (or even friends or business partners for that matter - certainly they are far far fewer than half of these relationships, which an unbiased selection would yield). That tells you all you need to know. Deeds are always more powerful than words or "statistics".

    , @216
    Your state's tax rates and firearms laws are downright tyrannical.

    The decline of the legacy population would be called ethnic cleansing were it occurring to any other group of people. As a basic matter of fairness, white conservatives should be receiving affirmative action and VRA protected districts in California.

    We have the right to self-determination regardless of what some worthless hacks in the judiciary say.

    When the tech bubble pops, it will all come crashing down. And we will take back our Alsace-Lorraine.

  194. @Ron Unz


    But as I pointed out upthread, the total white CA population has only declined by 15-20% over the last half century, hardly any sort of “mass exodus.”
     
    LOL, different strokes, I guess. Because I call that a mass exodus.
     
    Well, I don't think an average white decline of 0.3% per year in CA over fifty years would be called a "mass exodus" by most people. Moreover, it helps to distinguish between two models.

    Some agitated people claim that whites are fleeing CA because of the horrors of living as a shrinking minority in a mostly non-white state.

    Meanwhile, I claim that whites have gradually been pushed out by outrageously expensive housing costs as well as terrible traffic and serious economic competition with immigrant workers.

    I'd say that a white decline of 0.3% per year seems to strongly support my analysis of the situation.

    Meanwhile, I claim that whites have gradually been pushed out by outrageously expensive housing costs…

    what could be causing that?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Very high average IQ of workers in the "good areas", matched by earnings.
    , @Squarebeard
    Neoliberal capitalism.
  195. @Ron Unz

    Let’s be real here. Every single demographic except for SOME east Asians commits significantly more crime (as in multiples) of the white rate.
     
    No, you are entirely incorrect. I actually dealt with this issue at considerable length in a detailed analysis published almost a decade ago, and all the subsequent data has strongly supported my conclusions:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    You've simply fallen for a (rightwing) media hoax, matching the numerous ones on the Left.

    Ron, respecfully, as Stalin may have stated, it depends on who is doing the counting. A poster with the user handle ANON linked Texas’ Most Wanted, pointing out that only recently was the change made to include the term “Hispanic” attached to what Texas used to call white people. These are clearly Hispanic criminals, and yet STILL Texas calls them “white” in their description. See link below.

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    Further supporting my statement , even the nutty left Young Turks devoted a segment to Texas calling Hispanic criminals “white” people.

    It difficult to square your figures with what we know about the malreporting of racial stats. Until recently, the FBI did not even have a category for Hispanics, and lumped them as white. Even now, (or at least the last time I checked) the FBI listed Hispanics as VICTIMS, but not as criminals.

    Please note that in the study of 16 million tickets undertaken by the local TV station KXAN, 4 out the top 5 last names Texas claimed where “white” people were Martinez, Hernandez, Garcia, and Rodrigez.

    You may have a point when you speak about war, but I am about as certain as I can be that the stats you used in your 2005 article are simply not correct. Hispanics commit multiple times more crimes than white people, particularly violent crimes .

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Ron, respecfully, as Stalin may have stated, it depends on who is doing the counting. A poster with the user handle ANON linked Texas’ Most Wanted, pointing out that only recently was the change made to include the term “Hispanic” attached to what Texas used to call white people.
     
    No, you are *entirely* mistaken. That really stupid "Wanted Poster" meme-nonsense has been floating around the Internet forever, and is based on a total misunderstanding of the relevant statistical data.

    It's absolutely true that local police departments sometimes classify Hispanics as "white" and sometimes not, which is why their reported racial crime data (e.g. on Wanted Posters) is unreliable and cannot be used for anything. I discussed this problem at length in my article as I explained why I was using several different, far more reliable metrics.

    Look, you can believe whatever you want, but once you read my article, I suspect you may understand why you're wrong and I'm right.
  196. @Genrick Yagoda
    I have an enormous amount of respect for Ron Unz, but on this issue you are just plain worng.

    New York State keeps detailed crime statistics broken down by race, except for ht efac they lump in Arabs, Indians, and the rest of the lighter skinned browns as "white people". And yet still the most recent statitics read as below.

    QUOTE : The race/ethnicity of known Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects mirrors the victim population with Black (61.7%) and Hispanic (27.0%) suspects accounting for the majority of suspects. White suspects account for (7.7%) of all Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects........

    Rape suspects are most frequently Black (49.5%) or Hispanic (33.4%). White suspects account for (11.2%) of all Rape suspects...........

    The race/ethnicity of known Robbery suspects is primarily Black (67.0%). Hispanic suspects account for an additional (26.5%) of the suspect population. White suspects account for (4.4%) of all Robbery suspects........

    The race/ethnicity of known Shooting suspects is most frequently Black (74.7%). Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional (22.2%) of all suspects. White suspects (2.1%) and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.8%) accounted for the remaining portion of known Shooting suspects........... END QUOTE

    Source : New York Crime and Enforcement Activity, 2017.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2017-enforcement-report.pdf

    And it is not merely crime that is the problem. In my country, Canada, the place has been completely ruined by the invasion of the turd world. White people can no longer afford homes in the cities they created. Crime, pollution, housing costs, fuel , and every single indicator of a reduced quality of life has gone off the charts for every white Canadian.

    If you want to call me an "alt-right" I suppose I wouldn't object. But no sane human should stand by while his racial group is holocausted. And I mean a real holocaust, not the fake one we all acknowledge was created out of whole cloth.

    I have an enormous amount of respect for Ron Unz, but on this issue you are just plain worng.

    No. Although I don’t dispute your New York statistics, your analysis is completely mistaken. Among other things, I discussed the very noticeable regional variations in Hispanic crime rates in my major paper on the subject from years ago, which I would strongly encourage you to read:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    The high incarceration rate for these Caribbean Hispanics may partially explain general perceptions of Hispanic crime rates. A large proportion of America’s intellectual, media, and political elite lives in the Northeast, in cities like New York and Boston, and if the Hispanics traditionally living in those areas have unusually high rates of criminal activity, there would be a natural if mistaken tendency to assume that this same pattern also applied to Hispanic groups throughout the country.

    The factu