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From the Washington Post:

By Rachel Hatzipanagos July 12

While the American memory of the Space Race is most often filtered through black-and-white photos of white men on the moon, NASA’s reality was Technicolor.

People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.

This month marks the 50th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing, and to highlight another hidden figure, About Us spoke with Franklin Chang Díaz, who is NASA’s first Latino astronaut.

 
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  1. “People of color, including…”

    …Suggs, the friendly if dipsomaniacal janitor. Handy with a mop and a how-dee-do, Suggs enjoyed whistling while he worked, boiled peanuts, and the Good Book.

    Suggs: “Wash yer step der, Missah Ahmstrong. Slippry when wet. [Lucky Strike cough]”

    Neil: ” Sure thing…Gus, is it? ”

    Suggs: “Close nuff. [Takes a pull of Wild Turkey.]”

  2. Can we talk about the important issue of Chang Diaz’s hair for a minute?

    • Replies: @guest
    Looks more Chang than Diaz.

    I'm going to assume that shot is from the 80s or something, so I won't comment.

    Except to say his stand-up is okay:

    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2016/11/14/tig_notaro_s_indigo_girls_bit_is_a_perfect_comedy_closer/586910116-comedian-tig-notaro-attends-the-2016-amazon-tca-summer.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg
    , @Oddsbodkins
    It does have a certain... efficiency.
    , @El Dato
    It's Sulu hair.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Man, those freeze dried tacos taste like s**t!
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    I can't decide if the Challenger explosion or his bangs are the bigger tragedy
    , @Alden
    He’s very good looking.
  3. The Washington Post has prominently run, for a few days, a story on the speech Nixon would have given if the mission had failed. Along with the New York Times, it is trying to Maintain an Appropriate Woke Perspective on that extraordinary achievement.

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement, instead accompanied an article about rowdy after work parties and broken families.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    We could have had the stars, instead we get light bulbs.
    , @JudgeSmails


    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement,
     
    I don't believe I've ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!
    , @bomag

    accompanied an article about...
     
    Sheesh. Another example of how hard they push the Narrative.
    , @Laugh Track

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement...
     
    Why are they all facing away from their work stations? It's like they are all watching something momentous on a big screen that would normally be behind them.
    , @SaneClownPosse
    A fake project, if they wanted it to fail, it would have failed.

    The Times is just continuing to promote the project.

    The Space Shuttle project.
    http://mileswmathis.com/shut.pdf

    The Space program was wealth transfer from USA to the few, the wealthy, the rulers.

    As was the Cold War, Global War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty, etc.

    Just keep bitching about welfare mommas. Ignore the trillionaires hidden behind the curtains.
  4. Franklin Chang Díaz

    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Fandango Chichi Diabolo.
    , @PiltdownMan
    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn't made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Jose Jimenez was in use.
    , @BB753
    He's probably a quarter Chinese. Plenty of Chinese in South America and, well, pretty much everywhere. Chang would be his father's family name.
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Sounds legit to me, Chief.
    , @Danindc
    The only reply for this comment is....

    “Not allow”
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    It's legit. There is a noticable East Asian diaspora in Latin America, and he's probably a quarter, or half. His dad has got the Latin names, so I'd say quarter. He's got a PHD in Applied Plasma Physics from MIT. That's not half bad
  5. >Chang Diaz?

    People of color or color of people?

    • Replies: @Alden
    The C doesn’t stand for color. It stands for a 4 letter word beginning with C.
  6. The next astronaut will be named Guillermo Lakisha Wong Cohen. That’s how they pick ’em these days, by how many boxes they can check.

    • Replies: @Altai
    The next moon mission is actually mandated to include the first woman to the moon. I'm not joking.
    , @Prester John
    You forgot "Patel".
    , @Alden
    Not Guillermo. The former man will have changed his first name to Wilhelmina. Or maybe Guadalupe which is both a man and woman’s name.

    We should all be glad the liberals are focusing on gender insanity. This puts off their push to legalize pedophilia for a few years.
  7. @Hail

    Franklin Chang Díaz
     
    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    Fandango Chichi Diabolo.

  8. @Hail

    Franklin Chang Díaz
     
    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn’t made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.

    • Replies: @Anon000

    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn’t made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.
     
    Not Ph.D. He got the rarer and more prestigious Sc.D. from MIT. Buzz Aldrin also got the Sc.D. from MIT.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics

     

    Well, he is descended from Spanish conquistidores who navigated the oceans and conquered unexplored continents.
    https://zayzay.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chang-Diaz.jpg
    , @Tired of Not Knowing

    Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.
     
    The face says Diaz, the brain is all Chang.
  9. Rachel Hatzipanagos needs to learn the difference between the definition of hidden and the definition of insignificant.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Speaking of "hidden"...


    Rachel Hatzipanagos =

    A paternal schizo hag.
    A zit, alpha censor hag.

  10. Franklin Chang Díaz, who is NASA’s first Latino astronaut.

    Sounds like NASA’s first fusion astronaut.

    Franklin Ramón Chang Díaz =

    Half-Mandarin no king, czar.
    Darn flaring Amazon chink.

    • Replies: @Laugh Track

    Franklin Ramón Chang Díaz =

    Half-Mandarin no king, czar.
    Darn flaring Amazon chink.
     
    Do you use an app for these concoctions or is it a born talent? In any case, always amusing.
  11. @Hail

    Franklin Chang Díaz
     
    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    Jose Jimenez was in use.

    • LOL: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @JMcG
    Well done!
  12. Do they write about the disproportionate amount of Jewish guys at NASA, or is that a source of pride?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Was there a disproportionate # of Jews at NASA? My impression was that the nuclear weapons program was heavily Jewish but that NASA (full of literal Nazis in high positions and located in the Deep South where in those days you couldn't get a decent bagel to save your life) didn't have all that many Jews.
  13. Dr. Chang-Diaz is on the upper right.

    Hmm, white rice or Spanish rice? 🤔

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    Conquistador rice.
  14. @PiltdownMan
    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn't made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.

    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn’t made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.

    Not Ph.D. He got the rarer and more prestigious Sc.D. from MIT. Buzz Aldrin also got the Sc.D. from MIT.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Not Ph.D. He got the rarer and more prestigious Sc.D. from MIT. Buzz Aldrin also got the Sc.D. from MIT.
     
    AFAIK, the Sc.D and Ph.D. are equivalent at MIT, and most American universities. In Europe or the UK, a D.Sc/Sc.D is indeed a more prestigious and rarer degree. It is awarded for a significant body of published work of special merit.

    {Humblebrag} PiltdownUncle1 started publishing papers in math in the 1920s, and circa 1935, was awarded a D.Sc. for his research output as a topologist.

  15. Who remains unaware of the master plan at this late date?

    1. Race war (locally, nationally, globally)

    2. Total collapse (bioweapons, starvation, mass casualties)

    3. Global government (single digital currency)

    The oligarch media is frenetically priming the pump. The entire culture is beginning to resonate The Plan. Articles like this one from wapo are part of a gigantic military offensive. Fifth generation warfare etc.

    If only Donald Trump was president.

    Obey, global citizen!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    I see you listen to Corbett.

    I have the horrible feeling you, and him are right.
  16. “From Space, Everyone is a Citizen” is as true a tagline as the Alien’s “In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream”. Next, the Washington Post should ruminate upon the truth of that great Hollywood philosophical work, “Earth Girls Are Easy”. We may need to send up some gender studies professors to interrogate this construct.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    “From Space, Everyone is a Citizen” ...
     
    A citizen of what; a country, the world, or the USA?
  17. @PiltdownMan
    The Washington Post has prominently run, for a few days, a story on the speech Nixon would have given if the mission had failed. Along with the New York Times, it is trying to Maintain an Appropriate Woke Perspective on that extraordinary achievement.

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement, instead accompanied an article about rowdy after work parties and broken families.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/1hY9mAY_Bclu9qM1Ixwc7Xsp9uA=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ORJFDNVG3MI6TBZTJDEHENPTSY.jpg

    We could have had the stars, instead we get light bulbs.

  18. From Space, Everyone is a Citizen

    And yet it wasn’t Latin America that built the spacecraft that sent men to the Moon, it was the United States of America, a non Latin American nation that was about 90% white.

    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of the history of space exploration. Pretty soon we’ll be hearing about the sassy black women who really designed and built the V-2 rockets.

    • Agree: slumber_j
    • Replies: @Lurker

    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of the history of space exploration
     
    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of history.

    Although someone has to play the bad guys.

    , @Bill Jones
    Nah, Wernher Von Braun was a Jew.
  19. If he’s a citizen of the world, does that mean he can vote in anybody’s election?

    What would Jimmy Carter say to that?

  20. @Lot
    Can we talk about the important issue of Chang Diaz’s hair for a minute?

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/thumbs/franklin-chang-daz-1.jpg

    Looks more Chang than Diaz.

    I’m going to assume that shot is from the 80s or something, so I won’t comment.

    Except to say his stand-up is okay:

    • Replies: @Forbes
    First transgender, too...
  21. I’m not sure if he’s making a big deal about it, but America’s first lesbian into space kept quiet about bedroom matters, and only after her death did it ‘officially’ come out.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    She was married to Steven Hawley at the time of her flight in 1983 (and she'd been with other men in the space program before she took up with him). It wasn't until about 1985 that she started a lesbian affair with some dame (at which point she was 34 years old). Hawley and his subsequent wife were interviewed a few years back and he says that he remembered she had this friend named 'Tam' but had no idea they were shtupping each other nor had he known when his wife left him that 'Tam' was the reason; he found that out reading the newspaper obituaries.
  22. @Lot
    Can we talk about the important issue of Chang Diaz’s hair for a minute?

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/thumbs/franklin-chang-daz-1.jpg

    It does have a certain… efficiency.

  23. Been watching NASA TV this week as they run historical footage and interviews with the survivors of the Apollo era. Yesterday they interviewed Julie Morgan the ONLY woman out of the 400 member launch control team at the Kennedy Space Center. She was an instrumentation engineer and you can see her at her console in the middle rows in the middle of the launch room. She didn’t think of herself as a ‘pioneer’ just a person doing her job and when told a woman would be part of the next lunar landing she suggested it was a good idea and that maybe she would bring a dust pan to clean the lunar dust from the lunar lander!

  24. People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.

    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers’ solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation’s leading mathematicians, wouldn’t the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don’t pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn’t, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    • Replies: @Precious
    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/hidden-figures-is-almost-entirely-lie/
    , @Unladen Swallow
    Some guy did a write-up on Unz ( Not Steve's site ) a few years ago, the guy who did the theory behind the physics of spacecraft was a white dude from the South. I think the ladies in the movies just did the manual calculations to verify it, something that was done all the time before electronic computers became commonplace. There were female calculators or computers on the Manhattan Project as well, but no one thinks they were essential because they were white.
    , @El Dato
    No, "hidden" refers to the fact that they did something while black.

    Like, they were working on stuff and created dossiers. It was good work. They had a role to play. It was not a key role.

    For some reason, "doing technical math & computation" is understood akin to serving burn pits during the plague times while fending off drop bears. You can understand that it's rather shocking that these people have not been brought to the fore by NASA. Especially as being black, promotions were absent, pay was low, work assigned was tedious and low grade, and you were put into a separate building out of the way. Kinda like my last job, but nobody wants to know about THAT.

    From the book:

    http://nautil.us/issue/43/heroes/the-woman-the-mercury-astronauts-couldnt-do-without

    For Katherine, being selected to rotate through Building 1244, a gigantic 295-by-300-foot hangar that sheltered the laboratory’s fleet of research aircraft, felt like an unexpected bit of fortune, however temporary the assignment might prove to be. She had been elated simply to sit in the pool and calculate her way through the data sheets assigned by Mrs. Vaughan. But being sent to sit with the brain trust located on the second floor of the building meant getting a close look at one of the most important and powerful groups at the laboratory.
     
    And also

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a24429/hidden-figures-real-story-nasa-women-computers/

    Johnson would go on to work on the Apollo program, too, including performing trajectory calculations that assisted the 1969 moon landing. She would retire from NASA in 1986. In 2015, President Obama gave Katherine Johnson the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Last May, a NASA computational research facility in her hometown of Hampton, Virginia was named in Johnson's honor. And yet, despite the accolades and getting the Hollywood treatment, she told the audience in May that she was just doing her job and "it was just another day's work."
     
    Yes.

    Here is NASA from before the diversity bubble:

    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_kjohnson.html

    Some papers:

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=4293878840
    , @HammerJack
    Dude! Those three black women in Hidden Figures? They were the actual crew of Apollo 11. They just made them wear those spacesuits so no one could tell they were really black women.

    They knew that Racist White America couldn't handle the truth, so they made up this cover story with Neil, Buzz & Mike. Didn't even need spacesuits on the moon. Turns out the place is full of oxygen.

    So now you know the real faked moon landing story. I'm almost ready to go public with it. But is America ready?

    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    https://vdare.com/articles/why-not-a-movie-about-jack-crenshaw-the-white-man-who-actually-did-what-hidden-figures-credits-to-black-women
    , @Anonymous
    In the old days, 'computer' was a profession, like typist or stenographer.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    'Hidden' because she is lighter complexioned than even Obama, herefore not easily found when searching for African-Americans?
    https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/jgSzOfO6PDxw5g1bXWCCclEtabk=/fit-in/270x0/2016/10/22/eb109aa1-7fe3-4f53-bc1a-5f89dfe62ad8/kjohnson.jpg



    https://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/crgis/images/thumb/6/69/1985-L-01543.jpg/600px-1985-L-01543.jpg
    , @Jack D
    Johnson (the most prominent of the Hidden Figures) started out as a computress but was a bright woman with a math background and was promoted (somewhat). Meritocratic (and yet modestly paying) organizations like NASA are always dying for talent - they are not going to let someone good (whether they are green or purple) languish in the typing pool if they show that they have greater capabilities that are badly needed. Eventually Johnson received 2nd position on a number of NASA research papers - they wouldn't have done that if she was just a computress. However, there must have been hundreds or thousands of anonymous white men at NASA whose contributions were equivalent to Johnsons.

    I doubt that von Braun even knew who she was but apparently some of the astronauts did. Her biggest brush with fame (a not very big one) involved John Glenn when was going up for his first orbital mission. This was right at the time when the calculation of trajectories had been switched from being done by human computers like Johnson to being done by electronic computers. Glenn knew that the earlier, suborbital trajectories such as Shepard's had been worked out (successfully) by hand by Johnson & co. Glenn was presented with the computer print out of his orbit. Glen supposedly said "Get the girl [Johnson] to check the numbers. If she says the numbers are good, I am ready to go." In Current Year thinking, this makes Johnson the key woman in the entire space program, but another way of looking at it is that Glenn was a cautious sort of fellow and distrustful of this newfangled IBM thing, so that he thought it would be good to have a trusted human double check the computer's work.

    This went on for a brief transition period until it became clear that the computer always got the right answer and it was a waste of time and money to have humans do the same work twice. After that they tried to transition the human computers into other jobs such as computer programming (at least for the brighter ones like Johnson) and maybe keypunch operator for the less talented ones.

    , @Ancient Briton
    Hidden Figures (human computers) performed rote calculations using electro-mechanical adding machines, until automatic data processing supplanted warm bodies.
    Jack Crenshaw developed the lunar trajectories.
  25. @Lot
    Can we talk about the important issue of Chang Diaz’s hair for a minute?

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/thumbs/franklin-chang-daz-1.jpg

    It’s Sulu hair.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.
  26. @Mister.Baseball
    "From Space, Everyone is a Citizen" is as true a tagline as the Alien's "In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream". Next, the Washington Post should ruminate upon the truth of that great Hollywood philosophical work, "Earth Girls Are Easy". We may need to send up some gender studies professors to interrogate this construct.

    “From Space, Everyone is a Citizen” …

    A citizen of what; a country, the world, or the USA?

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "A citizen of what, a country, the world, or the USA?"

    A citizen of Wherever The White People Are.
    , @Mister.Baseball
    A citizen of the movie playing in these people's heads, where they are the stars (and now going to the stars to boot!)

    It's echo the farther they gaze into that Milky Way.
  27. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.
  28. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    Some guy did a write-up on Unz ( Not Steve’s site ) a few years ago, the guy who did the theory behind the physics of spacecraft was a white dude from the South. I think the ladies in the movies just did the manual calculations to verify it, something that was done all the time before electronic computers became commonplace. There were female calculators or computers on the Manhattan Project as well, but no one thinks they were essential because they were white.

    • Replies: @guest
    "because they were white"

    The lead Hidden Figures lady looked pretty white to me.

    , @Ancient Briton
    Man of the South: Jack Crenshaw
  29. From Space, Everyone is a Citizen

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "Good shot, Lord Cheney!"
  30. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    No, “hidden” refers to the fact that they did something while black.

    Like, they were working on stuff and created dossiers. It was good work. They had a role to play. It was not a key role.

    For some reason, “doing technical math & computation” is understood akin to serving burn pits during the plague times while fending off drop bears. You can understand that it’s rather shocking that these people have not been brought to the fore by NASA. Especially as being black, promotions were absent, pay was low, work assigned was tedious and low grade, and you were put into a separate building out of the way. Kinda like my last job, but nobody wants to know about THAT.

    From the book:

    http://nautil.us/issue/43/heroes/the-woman-the-mercury-astronauts-couldnt-do-without

    For Katherine, being selected to rotate through Building 1244, a gigantic 295-by-300-foot hangar that sheltered the laboratory’s fleet of research aircraft, felt like an unexpected bit of fortune, however temporary the assignment might prove to be. She had been elated simply to sit in the pool and calculate her way through the data sheets assigned by Mrs. Vaughan. But being sent to sit with the brain trust located on the second floor of the building meant getting a close look at one of the most important and powerful groups at the laboratory.

    And also

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a24429/hidden-figures-real-story-nasa-women-computers/

    Johnson would go on to work on the Apollo program, too, including performing trajectory calculations that assisted the 1969 moon landing. She would retire from NASA in 1986. In 2015, President Obama gave Katherine Johnson the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Last May, a NASA computational research facility in her hometown of Hampton, Virginia was named in Johnson’s honor. And yet, despite the accolades and getting the Hollywood treatment, she told the audience in May that she was just doing her job and “it was just another day’s work.”

    Yes.

    Here is NASA from before the diversity bubble:

    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/researchernews/rn_kjohnson.html

    Some papers:

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=4293878840

  31. @istevefan

    “From Space, Everyone is a Citizen” ...
     
    A citizen of what; a country, the world, or the USA?

    “A citizen of what, a country, the world, or the USA?”

    A citizen of Wherever The White People Are.

  32. I’m really getting tired of all this Apollo 11 nostalgia.

    How many government bureaucrat, coffee drinking, NASA workers from the Apollo days are still .. “employed” there?

    I used to know a technician for an Apollo program contractor. It once complained to me that when the program ended, while the contractors were laying off by the thousands (ah, the good ol’days!), no NASA guy ever lost his job.

    How many NASA guys have been milking Voyager since Day One?

    How many NASA guys were prosecuted for incinerating those three astronaut guinea pigs on the launch pad?

    The way that NASA sacrificed that schoolteacher (and the Black, and the lesbo, et al) was criminally negligent homicide.

    That the bureaucracy chose to assemble a crew based on diversity was bad enough. But then it doubled-down on its political statement by hurriedly launching after a night of freezing weather and a series of earlier scrubs, all in an effort to make a big splash .. and support public education.

    And WTH was a civilian doing on a *test* flight? The explosion occurred a few seconds after the play-by-play guy said something like, “Roger. You’re good to go to 105%.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Since it's been 50 years and most people retire (esp. from gov. jobs with fat pensions) at 65, I doubt that there are any left.

    The Challenger disaster was really indicative of America's decline. Prior to the Space Shuttle, not a single American astronaut died in space despite the fact that the technology was then brand new and unproven. It was also remarkable that they did the moon mission in less than 7 years from start to finish. Nowadays they would still be drafting the environmental impact statement in year 7. Surely there is some endangered snail or lizard or something that lives at Cape Canaveral?

    But by the time of Challenger the old, engineering driven culture was dead and NASA was being driven by publicity hounds whose top concern was AA and not merit. Engineers were just an obstacle to their publicity goals. The same thing has happened at Boeing, where the design of the 737 Max was driven by the sales people, with the same sort of results. Salesman/publicity types tend to win bureaucratic turf wars with engineering types because they are better at selling themselves too but it's usually a Pyrrhic victory because their victory sows the seed of future doom.
    , @Mr. Anon

    How many government bureaucrat, coffee drinking, NASA workers from the Apollo days are still .. “employed” there?
     
    As civil servants? Probably about zero. A few old guys might still be employed as contractor-consultants, but very few, if any The last Apollo flight was 44 years ago.

    How many NASA guys have been milking Voyager since Day One?
     
    None. Voyager was managed by JPL; they aren't NASA employees. What's your problem with Voyager - two of the most remarkable and productive space probes ever launched.

    And WTH was a civilian doing on a *test* flight? The explosion occurred a few seconds after the play-by-play guy said something like, “Roger. You’re good to go to 105%.”
     
    It wasn't a "test" flight - it was deemed operational. There had already been more than twenty.
  33. @Tired of Not Winning
    The next astronaut will be named Guillermo Lakisha Wong Cohen. That's how they pick 'em these days, by how many boxes they can check.

    The next moon mission is actually mandated to include the first woman to the moon. I’m not joking.

    • Replies: @Moses
    Extraspecialbonus for a BlackMuslimLesbian Woman.

    It's Who We Are.
    , @inselaffen
    what's wrong with that?
    , @guest
    Biological woman, or "woman?"
    , @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, that's not nearly woke enough. A white cisgender woman on the moon - ho hum. Just more white oppression. By the time the US actually gets back to the moon (I'm not sure that's ever really going to happen at the current rate) that's not going to be nearly good enough. To really be woke, your gonna need women of color, LGBT women, gender ambiguous people, etc. A Somali Muslim woman in a hijab. A plain old white woman ain't gonna cut it in Current Year 2027.

    For this reason, I believe the next person who is going to set foot on the moon is NOT going to be an American woman. It's going to be a Chinese man because the Chinese are still focused on getting shit done instead of making race/gender/sexuality crap their #1 priority.
  34. When you absolutely want to go into orbit for all of mankind … or maybe just because you want to finish the job and damn the torpedos:

    Note that the astronaut metooed his prospective girlfriend hard earlier in the movie, so this glorious moment in the history of Alternate Earth will have to be erased later when wokeness wins over.

  35. steve hasn’t posted about chang-diaz in 10 years or so, must be his once per decade time yet again.

  36. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    Dude! Those three black women in Hidden Figures? They were the actual crew of Apollo 11. They just made them wear those spacesuits so no one could tell they were really black women.

    They knew that Racist White America couldn’t handle the truth, so they made up this cover story with Neil, Buzz & Mike. Didn’t even need spacesuits on the moon. Turns out the place is full of oxygen.

    So now you know the real faked moon landing story. I’m almost ready to go public with it. But is America ready?

    • LOL: jim jones
  37. Maybe they should take more oxygen on their flights: “severe hypoxia, or hypoxia of very rapid onset, causes confusion / disorientation / hallucinations / behavioral change“.

    Are those “Hidden Figures” ladies the distaff Emmett Tills of space program articles?

  38. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    From Space, Everyone is a Citizen
     
    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/29/Jedha_City_destruction.png

    “Good shot, Lord Cheney!”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  39. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.
    • Replies: @Jason Calley
    I met Jack Crenshaw and had a short (20 minutes?) conversation with him back around 2013 or so. We discussed his work with developing the orbital mathematics used in the US space program. Also discussed was the process of adding small gas engines to bicycles. I do not impress easily, but it was obvious that he was a man of unusual intelligence, and perhaps more importantly, a person with a great curiosity and zeal for life.
  40. @Anon000

    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn’t made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.
     
    Not Ph.D. He got the rarer and more prestigious Sc.D. from MIT. Buzz Aldrin also got the Sc.D. from MIT.

    Not Ph.D. He got the rarer and more prestigious Sc.D. from MIT. Buzz Aldrin also got the Sc.D. from MIT.

    AFAIK, the Sc.D and Ph.D. are equivalent at MIT, and most American universities. In Europe or the UK, a D.Sc/Sc.D is indeed a more prestigious and rarer degree. It is awarded for a significant body of published work of special merit.

    {Humblebrag} PiltdownUncle1 started publishing papers in math in the 1920s, and circa 1935, was awarded a D.Sc. for his research output as a topologist.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Oh, with a ScD he was surely a top ologist, but what kind of -ologist was he?
  41. @Unladen Swallow
    Some guy did a write-up on Unz ( Not Steve's site ) a few years ago, the guy who did the theory behind the physics of spacecraft was a white dude from the South. I think the ladies in the movies just did the manual calculations to verify it, something that was done all the time before electronic computers became commonplace. There were female calculators or computers on the Manhattan Project as well, but no one thinks they were essential because they were white.

    “because they were white”

    The lead Hidden Figures lady looked pretty white to me.

  42. You mentioned Poppy Northcutt in an earlier post, but you didn’t post a pic.

    She was quite a looker.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    Is that Space Invaders on the screen?
    , @Mary Grainger
    Poppy speaks in 1969. An interesting accent. https://www.cbc.ca/archives/poppy-northcutt-the-return-to-earth-specialist-who-helped-bring-apollo-11-back-1.5205390?fbclid=IwAR37GrZN2YxjSx5gK5a0AowOicRtqWnQy6WLS-u4BZt6bU9H_HXMPX_cha0
    , @BB753
    In future Apollo 11 remakes, she'll be retconned as a proud black woman.
  43. @PiltdownMan
    The Washington Post has prominently run, for a few days, a story on the speech Nixon would have given if the mission had failed. Along with the New York Times, it is trying to Maintain an Appropriate Woke Perspective on that extraordinary achievement.

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement, instead accompanied an article about rowdy after work parties and broken families.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/1hY9mAY_Bclu9qM1Ixwc7Xsp9uA=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ORJFDNVG3MI6TBZTJDEHENPTSY.jpg

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement,

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!
     
    Where can you get those today?
    , @Corn
    Lewis Skolnick is crying tears of joy.
  44. Rarely heard is the full, uncensored tape of the first moon landing, which involved the astronauts at times bursting out into four-letter-word excited profanity about their achievement – typical behaviour of white guys with one another, getting vulgar

    Here is a clip from those rare tapes, quite hilarious – tho audio not safe for work – ‘Can you believe it? We are on the f-cking moon!’ – courtesy of the Onion, 2min50sec

    • Replies: @Prester John
    One thing they won't show: the "bogie" (UFO) reported by Aldrin on the alternate band. The guys back in Houston told him politely to shut the fuck up about it.
  45. • Replies: @eah
    I think the key is to not see or think of mass immigration as a hostile takeover, but rather as a national self-improvement course teaching Whites to be more tolerant and less bigoted.

    https://twitter.com/NationalistTV/status/1151663541956595713
    , @El Dato
    The disunited states of Mesomurrica, lying between Narcxico and Cuckada. It's coming.
  46. @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_u4uxFUYAEUR6d.jpg

    I think the key is to not see or think of mass immigration as a hostile takeover, but rather as a national self-improvement course teaching Whites to be more tolerant and less bigoted.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Not a single one of the people pearl clutching over the "send her back" chant will acknowledge her anti-white hate speech, and most probably don't even know due to (((media))) bias.


    Relevant:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/02/a-new-report-says-more-hispanic-identity-is-fading-is-that-really-good-for-america/?utm_term=.e1d93c3a75c7

    WaPo Jews push Hispanic identity, presumably without considering that most if not all of these arguments might apply to white identity, which obviously WaPo Jews want to suppress.
  47. It’s not a bad name – two famous explorers, John Franklin and Bartholomew Diaz.

    Any Chang explorers? A search only gives me the very sad case of Kathy Chang. Maybe Chang Ch’ien aka Zhang Qian, who opened up the Silk Road around 100 BC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat

    Any Chang explorers?
     
    This guy was a Korean astronomer (among all other things) and would be Chang under the transliteration system used until around 2000:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Yeong-sil

    see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCune%E2%80%93Reischauer
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Zhang(aka Chang) He, one of the greatest. A eunuch, but still.
  48. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    In the old days, ‘computer’ was a profession, like typist or stenographer.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Comptometer operators, we used to call them. As you say, one of the clerical professions suitable for ladies, like "telephonist" (switchboard operator).
  49. @El Dato
    It's Sulu hair.

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/AiRPCBu.jpg
    , @SFG
    In all seriousness, astronauts, while being as in impeccable shape and and generally competent as you'd expect, are usually big science fiction fans, so it's not impossible.
  50. @Altai
    The next moon mission is actually mandated to include the first woman to the moon. I'm not joking.

    Extraspecialbonus for a BlackMuslimLesbian Woman.

    It’s Who We Are.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Extraspecialbonus for a BlackMuslimLesbian Woman.
     
    Not enough Pokemon points. Let's go all the way and send a BlackMuslimDisabledTranny Woman.
  51. @Steve Sailer
    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "Earth, Jim. But from an alternate reality."

    "Mr. Scott, get us to plaid speed immediately. We are getting the hell out of here."
    , @Charon
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/69/6b/7d696beaa72264f306082ae3bcbbfe11.jpg
    , @fish
    Nailed it!
    , @unit472
    Little did we know that, as the 20th century ended, the Enterprise would be commanded by Marshal Applewhite on a mission to the Hale Bopp Comet.

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/criminalminds/images/d/df/Marshall_Applewhite.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180420011033
    , @MEH 0910
    Early Beatles/Monkees wig Chekov:

    http://images4.fanpop.com/image/quiz/461000/461931_1282407593504_407_300.jpg
  52. @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_u4uxFUYAEUR6d.jpg

    The disunited states of Mesomurrica, lying between Narcxico and Cuckada. It’s coming.

  53. @PiltdownMan

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/AiRPCBu.jpg

    “Earth, Jim. But from an alternate reality.”

    “Mr. Scott, get us to plaid speed immediately. We are getting the hell out of here.”

  54. @PiltdownMan
    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn't made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.

    must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics

    Well, he is descended from Spanish conquistidores who navigated the oceans and conquered unexplored continents.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    So, R1 Y haplogroup?
  55. @eah
    I think the key is to not see or think of mass immigration as a hostile takeover, but rather as a national self-improvement course teaching Whites to be more tolerant and less bigoted.

    https://twitter.com/NationalistTV/status/1151663541956595713

    Not a single one of the people pearl clutching over the “send her back” chant will acknowledge her anti-white hate speech, and most probably don’t even know due to (((media))) bias.

    Relevant:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/02/a-new-report-says-more-hispanic-identity-is-fading-is-that-really-good-for-america/?utm_term=.e1d93c3a75c7

    WaPo Jews push Hispanic identity, presumably without considering that most if not all of these arguments might apply to white identity, which obviously WaPo Jews want to suppress.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Just to add on here, it's obvious that the Jews want to increase the number of people self identifying as Hispanic not only because the Jews want to use Hispanics™ against white people but, at least in part, because they don't want white Hispanics identifying as white. But on some level I think the Jews do want whiter Hispanics who identify as white in order to counter complaints from white people that white people are being swamped demographically. Excluding all Hispanics and whiter mixed-race people from the "white" category makes white people seem to be a smaller portion of the population and will probably increase the likelihood of white identity politics.

    Of course, as time goes on, identifying as white and being perceived as white becomes much less socially advantageous, so people who might have wanted to identify as white a generation or three ago would be less willing to do so now. This is also true of Middle Eastern people, as Steve has documented. The earliest Middle Eastern immigrants to the US were all happy to identify as white, although it's debatable how much they identified with the general white population. But nowadays being white is so stigmatized that many middle easterners, even Christian ones, don't want to identify as white. They justify this by saying that other people don't perceive them as white but this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Recently I had fun triggering a Christian Palestinian girl at the gym by insisting that she was white. She is quite a bit browner than other Palestinians like Linda Sarsour but she really didn't like being called White, and the black people at the gym didn't think of her as white either. it might be important to note here that she likes black guys.

    Anyway, all this stuff is complicated. I just wanted to get it off my chest. Hopefully Steve doesn't whim me.

  56. @PiltdownMan

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/AiRPCBu.jpg

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Lurker
    https://i.imgflip.com/35ysvv.jpg
  57. @Hippopotamusdrome


    must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics

     

    Well, he is descended from Spanish conquistidores who navigated the oceans and conquered unexplored continents.
    https://zayzay.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chang-Diaz.jpg

    So, R1 Y haplogroup?

  58. @South Texas Guy
    I'm not sure if he's making a big deal about it, but America's first lesbian into space kept quiet about bedroom matters, and only after her death did it 'officially' come out.

    She was married to Steven Hawley at the time of her flight in 1983 (and she’d been with other men in the space program before she took up with him). It wasn’t until about 1985 that she started a lesbian affair with some dame (at which point she was 34 years old). Hawley and his subsequent wife were interviewed a few years back and he says that he remembered she had this friend named ‘Tam’ but had no idea they were shtupping each other nor had he known when his wife left him that ‘Tam’ was the reason; he found that out reading the newspaper obituaries.

  59. @Steve Sailer
    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.

    In all seriousness, astronauts, while being as in impeccable shape and and generally competent as you’d expect, are usually big science fiction fans, so it’s not impossible.

  60. @Hail

    Franklin Chang Díaz
     
    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    He’s probably a quarter Chinese. Plenty of Chinese in South America and, well, pretty much everywhere. Chang would be his father’s family name.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    ... what the hell is he doing in America ?
    , @Clyde

    He’s probably a quarter Chinese. Plenty of Chinese in South America ......
     
    His Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT says he is more likely half Chinese.
  61. @Hail

    Franklin Chang Díaz
     
    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    Sounds legit to me, Chief.

  62. @Anonymous
    In the old days, 'computer' was a profession, like typist or stenographer.

    Comptometer operators, we used to call them. As you say, one of the clerical professions suitable for ladies, like “telephonist” (switchboard operator).

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Well, in this case you write up a report at good undergrad level (today this is possibly even higher, I don't know anymore), so it's not QUITE the same.

    Here is one of Katherine's early works, September 1960:

    "Determination of Azimuth Angle at Burnout for Placing a Satellite over a Selected Earth Position"

    T.H. Skopinski
    Katherine G. Johnson

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19980227091.pdf

    More references here:

    https://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/Katherine_Johnson

  63. @AndrewR
    Not a single one of the people pearl clutching over the "send her back" chant will acknowledge her anti-white hate speech, and most probably don't even know due to (((media))) bias.


    Relevant:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/02/a-new-report-says-more-hispanic-identity-is-fading-is-that-really-good-for-america/?utm_term=.e1d93c3a75c7

    WaPo Jews push Hispanic identity, presumably without considering that most if not all of these arguments might apply to white identity, which obviously WaPo Jews want to suppress.

    Just to add on here, it’s obvious that the Jews want to increase the number of people self identifying as Hispanic not only because the Jews want to use Hispanics™ against white people but, at least in part, because they don’t want white Hispanics identifying as white. But on some level I think the Jews do want whiter Hispanics who identify as white in order to counter complaints from white people that white people are being swamped demographically. Excluding all Hispanics and whiter mixed-race people from the “white” category makes white people seem to be a smaller portion of the population and will probably increase the likelihood of white identity politics.

    Of course, as time goes on, identifying as white and being perceived as white becomes much less socially advantageous, so people who might have wanted to identify as white a generation or three ago would be less willing to do so now. This is also true of Middle Eastern people, as Steve has documented. The earliest Middle Eastern immigrants to the US were all happy to identify as white, although it’s debatable how much they identified with the general white population. But nowadays being white is so stigmatized that many middle easterners, even Christian ones, don’t want to identify as white. They justify this by saying that other people don’t perceive them as white but this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Recently I had fun triggering a Christian Palestinian girl at the gym by insisting that she was white. She is quite a bit browner than other Palestinians like Linda Sarsour but she really didn’t like being called White, and the black people at the gym didn’t think of her as white either. it might be important to note here that she likes black guys.

    Anyway, all this stuff is complicated. I just wanted to get it off my chest. Hopefully Steve doesn’t whim me.

  64. @Hail

    Franklin Chang Díaz
     
    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    The only reply for this comment is….

    “Not allow”

  65. When the US landed on the moon, they left an American Flag behind.

    If the Mexicans had ever made it to the moon (in a used Space Shuttle sporting Daytons and a Sacred Heart paint job) they’d have left behind a stained mattress and a bunch of empty Tecate beer bottles.

  66. First Hispanic man in space, Arnaldo Tamayo Méndez. Will they ever celebrate him?

  67. Can you imagine if we had an Affirmative Action crew aboard Apollo 13 when disaster struck? Those guys were amazing, as were the engineers at Mission Control in Houston. In space there is no margin for error. You better put the best people on each flight and at Mission Control or you risk all aboard dying in the cold vacuum of space.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 is what happens when you don't have the best people on board. Similar incidents happened on US airlines flying the Max but the (white male) American pilots figured it out before the plane crashed and hundreds died. Now Boeing shouldn't have sold these planes the way they were, but their reasoning for not having a proper backup to the angle of attack sensor was that the PILOT is the backup. It turned out this was too much of a presumption.
  68. How about an article on the first all Puerto Rican command (CDR Alfredo J. Sanchez and executive officer, CDR Jessie L. Sanchez) of the USS McCain

    USS McCain: On August 21, 2017 collided with the Liberian-flagged container ship Alnic MC. Ten US Navy sailors died as a result of the crash.

    Outstanding transgender training in January, 2017:

    “USS John S McCain Holds Transgender Personnel Policy Training

    The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) command triad held training for the ship’s crew pertaining to Secretary of the Navy’s Instruction (SECNAVINST) 1000.11, Jan. 9-12.

    Effective Oct. 1, 2016, transgender Sailors could begin the process to officially change their gender in our personnel administrative systems in accordance with DOD and service policy. On July 1, 2017, transgender applicants who meet updated accessions standards may be accessed into the U.S. Armed Services.

    “We as a Navy are always looking for the best of the best,” said Cmdr. Alfredo L. Sanchez, commanding officer of McCain. “This allows us to continue that tradition.”

    https://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/ddg56/Pages/USS-John-S-McCain-Holds-Transgender-Personnel-Policy-Training.aspx

    • Replies: @Jack D
    There can only be one Job 1. In space flight, Job 1 is getting the people up there and back home again in 1 piece. In the military, Job 1 is winning the war. Once you make Job 1 "promoting people of color" or "accommodating the transgender" or "winning the record for fastest transatlantic ship crossing" or "selling more planes than Airbus", then you can forget about the real goals. Modern American has completely lost the thread on what Job 1 should be so the whole country is headed for an iceberg. "There's a whole lot of ruin in a nation" so the iceberg may not hit tomorrow, but the pistol is on the table. Somewhere in Act II it's going to go off - we don't know where or when yet, but sure as shootin' it's going off. We've been lucky so far - Putin, for all his bluster, doesn't have the resources (1/1oth the GDP) to take on the US head on and he knows it. The Chinese aren't QUITE ready to make their move either. But someday that luck is going to run out and the Sanchez's and their transgender crew are not going to be up to the challenge.
  69. @Altai
    The next moon mission is actually mandated to include the first woman to the moon. I'm not joking.

    what’s wrong with that?

    • Replies: @Altai
    Because it's mentioned constantly and mandated. No question astronauts of all races and genders are probably the most overqualified people on the planet. If it was incidental, that would be fine, but they made it their (Arguably most interesting and promoted) most mentioned element.

    Basically any mention of the 2024 mission is just 'first woman on the moon' and nothing else.
  70. @Tired of Not Winning
    The next astronaut will be named Guillermo Lakisha Wong Cohen. That's how they pick 'em these days, by how many boxes they can check.

    You forgot “Patel”.

  71. A twofer….a Latino Chinaman. This must have gotten NASA real excited. I never heard of him before this.

  72. @Brabantian
    Rarely heard is the full, uncensored tape of the first moon landing, which involved the astronauts at times bursting out into four-letter-word excited profanity about their achievement - typical behaviour of white guys with one another, getting vulgar

    Here is a clip from those rare tapes, quite hilarious - tho audio not safe for work - 'Can you believe it? We are on the f-cking moon!' - courtesy of the Onion, 2min50sec
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIkHLO93lCA

    One thing they won’t show: the “bogie” (UFO) reported by Aldrin on the alternate band. The guys back in Houston told him politely to shut the fuck up about it.

  73. • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @El Dato
    > HR person puts voodoo hex on someone

    Why am I not surprised?

    Btw, there is pretty good coffeetable book on selling the space programme by MIT Press:

    http://www.marketingthemoon.com/

    "The most successful marketing and public relations campaign in history, featuring heroic astronauts, press-savvy rocket scientists, enthusiastic reporters, deep-pocketed defense contractors, and Tang."

    Also illustration by Chesley Bonestell. I have a very used copy of "Across the Space Frontier" somewhere around here...
    , @International Jew
    File under "Our new country is going to be awesome." It's a great illustration of the synergistic benefits of diversity: white Americans alone can't give us voodoo; Dominicans alone can't generate big budgets for "human resources"; but put the two together and we can have a Dominican human resource lady squandering big bucks doing voodoo!
    , @J.Ross
    The film studio A24 has now made the same film three times, about how evil white people are evilly into evil white paganism, while in real life there are modern film-worthy pagans the studio will never touch.
  74. My dad was at TRW at the time working on satellite communication. He took me there to see the laser he was working on. There were not all lot of women or maybe even none that I recall.

  75. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    He's probably a quarter Chinese. Plenty of Chinese in South America and, well, pretty much everywhere. Chang would be his father's family name.

    … what the hell is he doing in America ?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    astronaut stuff, going to outer space, helping them with science....?
  76. @Lot
    Can we talk about the important issue of Chang Diaz’s hair for a minute?

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/thumbs/franklin-chang-daz-1.jpg

    Man, those freeze dried tacos taste like s**t!

  77. @PiltdownMan
    The Washington Post has prominently run, for a few days, a story on the speech Nixon would have given if the mission had failed. Along with the New York Times, it is trying to Maintain an Appropriate Woke Perspective on that extraordinary achievement.

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement, instead accompanied an article about rowdy after work parties and broken families.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/1hY9mAY_Bclu9qM1Ixwc7Xsp9uA=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ORJFDNVG3MI6TBZTJDEHENPTSY.jpg

    accompanied an article about…

    Sheesh. Another example of how hard they push the Narrative.

  78. in the current PBS series on Apollo there is a segment on a Black pilot who was being considered for the astronaut program. They say Robert Kennedy was pushing hard for his inclusion. The series says Chuck Yeager did not want him, told other test pilots to shun him – Chuck is described as “a piece of work”.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    I watched almost all the same shows last year ….no magic negroes. But this year the Magic Negro is in this series. Just trying to prove how racist NASA was and ignorant whites are. I can't imagine how far we would be advanced in the space sciences if we had included these black super human computers and Afronauts back in the sixties. Hell I'm thinking they would have finally re-fired the engines on the pyramids and got them safely back to Wakanda.
    , @istevefan
    An article at unz.com covered that.

    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/chuck-yeager-bombed/
    , @Gordo
    As I recollect the coloured chap didn't make the grade but Kennedy told Yaeger to pass him, Yaeger did but also passed everybody who scored above him, a big graduation class that year :-)
    , @Jack D
    isteve fan give the complete story in Yeager's own words but here is a short version:

    As soon as I saw the thing about the "racist" Chuck Yeager (who BTW is still alive and should sue for defamation) mistreating the black pilot, I understood immediately what happened, even without having read Yeager's piece (which 100% confirmed my assumption). Maybe you can bring in AA blacks to your law school and a few of them will actually get thru and pass the bar exam and then in a couple of years get some government job that doesn't actually involve practicing because they are never going to make partner, but this was a life or death program upon which the entire prestige of the US in the midst of the Cold War depended. You couldn't afford to send up some marginal AA hire who would panic when the rocket went into a spin. We saw what happened to the 737 Max in the hands of an Ethiopian pilot - that's what would have happened.

    This was a super elite program that 99.9% of white people couldn't get into either, involving a dozen or so of the absolute best test pilots in the entire US. These guys had it all - they were super fit physically, many of them had advanced degrees from places like MIT and were highly intelligent. They were psychologically sound and cool under pressure. The whole package - the best of the best. They found this Ed Dwight guy and he was marginally OK, but not great - in Yeager's estimation he was ranked #26 out of 26 candidates for a class of 11 - way below the cutoff. Not even the best black test pilot (Yeager knew pretty much everyone) but the best one who applied. He was especially deficient in academics - just not that smart.

    But the Kennedies insisted that he take a Negro and so he had to. Yeager's version was that the guy really sucked and couldn't hack it even though they gave him all sorts of special tutoring and extra help. He managed to squeeze thru the course but he was so far behind the rest of the class that NASA did not pick him to actually become an astronaut. In Dwight's version (and I can believe this because this is how it's done in the military) Yeager (probably in order to save this man's own life as much as anything - he would gotten himself killed for sure, maybe along with another couple of astronauts and the Kennedies wouldn't have cared one bit) sent word to the other pilots to shun this guy - to speak to him as necessary but not to have anything to do with him otherwise so that he would get the message and drop out. In later life he became an artist or a sculptor or something.

    Shorter version : The Current Year narrative is completely ass backward as usual. Ed Dwight didn't have the Right Stuff. Chuck Yeager probably saved Ed Dwight's life (not to mention the prestige of the space program) by squeezing him out before he got himself killed.
  79. @BB753
    He's probably a quarter Chinese. Plenty of Chinese in South America and, well, pretty much everywhere. Chang would be his father's family name.

    He’s probably a quarter Chinese. Plenty of Chinese in South America ……

    His Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT says he is more likely half Chinese.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @BB753
    It could be. But if you mix a Chinese with a Mestizo woman, he would look more Asian and less Caucasian.
  80. @Moses
    Extraspecialbonus for a BlackMuslimLesbian Woman.

    It's Who We Are.

    Extraspecialbonus for a BlackMuslimLesbian Woman.

    Not enough Pokemon points. Let’s go all the way and send a BlackMuslimDisabledTranny Woman.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    Why just one? Let's send an Ark "B", on a Social Justice voyage to deep space.
  81. @slumber_j
    I guess I should point out that this is off-topic: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7258723/City-worker-spent-300-000-stolen-taxpayers-voodoo-hex-ex-boyfriend-sentenced.html

    > HR person puts voodoo hex on someone

    Why am I not surprised?

    Btw, there is pretty good coffeetable book on selling the space programme by MIT Press:

    http://www.marketingthemoon.com/

    “The most successful marketing and public relations campaign in history, featuring heroic astronauts, press-savvy rocket scientists, enthusiastic reporters, deep-pocketed defense contractors, and Tang.”

    Also illustration by Chesley Bonestell. I have a very used copy of “Across the Space Frontier” somewhere around here…

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    That actually does look pretty great. Thanks.
  82. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Under a microscope, everything and everyone are atoms.

  83. @JudgeSmails


    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement,
     
    I don't believe I've ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!

    Where can you get those today?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    China
    , @Jim Don Bob

    Where can you get those today?
     
    Pens don't leak much any more so you don't really need one.
  84. From space, everyone is one mutiny away from going out the airlock too.

  85. @Expletive Deleted
    Comptometer operators, we used to call them. As you say, one of the clerical professions suitable for ladies, like "telephonist" (switchboard operator).

    Well, in this case you write up a report at good undergrad level (today this is possibly even higher, I don’t know anymore), so it’s not QUITE the same.

    Here is one of Katherine’s early works, September 1960:

    “Determination of Azimuth Angle at Burnout for Placing a Satellite over a Selected Earth Position”

    T.H. Skopinski
    Katherine G. Johnson

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19980227091.pdf

    More references here:

    https://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/Katherine_Johnson

  86. It was outrageous how the Astro-nut was able to bail out of jail (the state!) simply because a fellow astronaut, i.e. a government bureaucrat in a flight suit (diapers?), flew to FL, at taxpayer expense, and reminded the government lawyer-judge that, after all, she and her fellow space travelers were heroes.

  87. From space, you’d never guess which dirt is magic, which tragic.

  88. @PiltdownMan

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/AiRPCBu.jpg

    Nailed it!

  89. @slumber_j
    I guess I should point out that this is off-topic: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7258723/City-worker-spent-300-000-stolen-taxpayers-voodoo-hex-ex-boyfriend-sentenced.html

    File under “Our new country is going to be awesome.” It’s a great illustration of the synergistic benefits of diversity: white Americans alone can’t give us voodoo; Dominicans alone can’t generate big budgets for “human resources”; but put the two together and we can have a Dominican human resource lady squandering big bucks doing voodoo!

    • Agree: slumber_j
    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @slumber_j
    I peg her high in the running for first iSteve Woman Of the Year.
  90. @Intelligent Dasein
    Jose Jimenez was in use.

    Well done!

  91. @PiltdownMan
    The Washington Post has prominently run, for a few days, a story on the speech Nixon would have given if the mission had failed. Along with the New York Times, it is trying to Maintain an Appropriate Woke Perspective on that extraordinary achievement.

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement, instead accompanied an article about rowdy after work parties and broken families.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/1hY9mAY_Bclu9qM1Ixwc7Xsp9uA=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ORJFDNVG3MI6TBZTJDEHENPTSY.jpg

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement…

    Why are they all facing away from their work stations? It’s like they are all watching something momentous on a big screen that would normally be behind them.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    Stanley Kubrick was directing them so they were not focused on their workstations when the photograph was taken.
  92. @The Alarmist
    You mentioned Poppy Northcutt in an earlier post, but you didn't post a pic.

    She was quite a looker.

    http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/547cd70e69beddbf46b2c11c-1200/women-in-space.png

    Is that Space Invaders on the screen?

  93. @YetAnotherAnon
    It's not a bad name - two famous explorers, John Franklin and Bartholomew Diaz.

    Any Chang explorers? A search only gives me the very sad case of Kathy Chang. Maybe Chang Ch'ien aka Zhang Qian, who opened up the Silk Road around 100 BC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change

    Any Chang explorers?

    This guy was a Korean astronomer (among all other things) and would be Chang under the transliteration system used until around 2000:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Yeong-sil

    see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCune%E2%80%93Reischauer

  94. @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!
     
    Where can you get those today?

    China

  95. @Reg Cæsar

    Franklin Chang Díaz, who is NASA’s first Latino astronaut.
     
    Sounds like NASA's first fusion astronaut.


    Franklin Ramón Chang Díaz =

    Half-Mandarin no king, czar.
    Darn flaring Amazon chink.

    Franklin Ramón Chang Díaz =

    Half-Mandarin no king, czar.
    Darn flaring Amazon chink.

    Do you use an app for these concoctions or is it a born talent? In any case, always amusing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Wordsmith.org will spit out tens of thousands for a 22-letter name like that. Then it's needle-in-the-haystack time, or perhaps gold-panning, looking for that elusive spark among all the silt. (Adding the middle name improved these results.)

    The advanced functions help a lot in winnowing. I don't know if "chink" is in their vocabulary, but I didn't see it in the top 500 hits, so I searched for it.

    It works best if the name has a good mix of vowels, and not too many of those high-scoring Scrabble consonants.

  96. @Anon000
    Dr. Chang-Diaz is on the upper right.

    http://timeline.centennial.rice.edu/site_media/uploads/images/2011-06-23/the_rice_stuff_1M_JPG_800x700_q85.jpg

    Hmm, white rice or Spanish rice? 🤔

    Conquistador rice.

  97. They’re in a woke space race with NYT it seems

  98. “Houston, we have a race problem.”

  99. @Mr. Anon

    From Space, Everyone is a Citizen
     
    And yet it wasn't Latin America that built the spacecraft that sent men to the Moon, it was the United States of America, a non Latin American nation that was about 90% white.

    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of the history of space exploration. Pretty soon we'll be hearing about the sassy black women who really designed and built the V-2 rockets.

    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of the history of space exploration

    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of history.

    Although someone has to play the bad guys.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    In Hidden Figures, Jeff Daniels plays the white guy who just doesn’t get that black women are the smart ones in NASA.

    As I recall, the script writers decided not to use a real person for the NonWoke white man, but instead created Daniel’s character as “an amalgam of attitudes common in that era”.

    So, there you have it. Actual white guys are written out, while white straw men are inserted into the Story of Black Women.

  100. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    A citizen of the world claims all the world. It is genteel imperialism.

    It’s a way of saying ‘world is my oyster.’

    Also, COW seeks to impose his ‘values’ on all the world than respecting other cultures.

  101. @PiltdownMan
    Khan Noonien Singh was a famous spacefarer, and his name wasn't made up.
    Seriously, Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.

    Franklin Diaz must be a pretty smart guy. He got a Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT before he applied to join the astronaut program.

    The face says Diaz, the brain is all Chang.

  102. • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    The title comes from Gil-Scott Heron's 1970 spoken word performance.

    https://youtu.be/goh2x_G0ct4

    He was 50 years ahead of today's crowd.

    You know I just about had my fill
    Of whitey on the moon
    I think I'll send these doctor bills
    airmail special
    (To whitey on the moon)

  103. @Charon
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/69/6b/7d696beaa72264f306082ae3bcbbfe11.jpg

    • Replies: @Kronos
    https://youtu.be/b1E9ucBTHsg
  104. thurd world squad – keep whinon – aoc might make summit on track if trik iz drunk dopd desperate – the others not a dime even den!!!

  105. @JudgeSmails


    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement,
     
    I don't believe I've ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!

    Lewis Skolnick is crying tears of joy.

  106. This the failure of civic nationalism. As Whites are erased from their own history? We have what amounts to negotiate d surrender.n

    • Replies: @istevefan
    Why surrender when you have tens of millions who are armed?

    Why surrender when you have tens of millions who contribute a few trillion to GDP?

    You need to change your defeatist mindset. There is a reason why people are shot in war for 'defeatism'.

    Also, stop thought-policing against patriots like Pat Buchanan because of your irrational love of Israel. Israel is in the best shape of her existence. You need to start helping in the USA. You can start by stopping the defeatism and siding with the true patriots.
  107. @guest
    Looks more Chang than Diaz.

    I'm going to assume that shot is from the 80s or something, so I won't comment.

    Except to say his stand-up is okay:

    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/browbeat/2016/11/14/tig_notaro_s_indigo_girls_bit_is_a_perfect_comedy_closer/586910116-comedian-tig-notaro-attends-the-2016-amazon-tca-summer.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

    First transgender, too…

  108. Imagine being an astronaut and launching into space on a rocket and still having to come up with some (((globohomo diversity bullshit))) to satisfy (((WaPo’s leftist political agenda))) to be interesting enough for them to print you.

  109. @Oleaginous Outrager
    https://vdare.com/articles/why-not-a-movie-about-jack-crenshaw-the-white-man-who-actually-did-what-hidden-figures-credits-to-black-women

    I met Jack Crenshaw and had a short (20 minutes?) conversation with him back around 2013 or so. We discussed his work with developing the orbital mathematics used in the US space program. Also discussed was the process of adding small gas engines to bicycles. I do not impress easily, but it was obvious that he was a man of unusual intelligence, and perhaps more importantly, a person with a great curiosity and zeal for life.

  110. @Clyde

    He’s probably a quarter Chinese. Plenty of Chinese in South America ......
     
    His Ph.D. in plasma physics from MIT says he is more likely half Chinese.

    It could be. But if you mix a Chinese with a Mestizo woman, he would look more Asian and less Caucasian.

  111. Trump throws base under the bus disavows send her back.

    Bottom line after 150 years non Whites particularly Blacks have absolute moral authority and all Whites must submit. Anything negative is racist. This is baked into our culture. No way to remove it. Even Trump has to grovel.

    Whites can either be masters of slaves of other races no other choice is possible and we chose to be slaves.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Just drove by yet another black male/hb9.5 white female couple. I’d say you’re right. Keep burying your heads in the sand yt. Keep pretending you have a stake because you have a mortgage and a 401k.
  112. Just another “talking dog” story. You see these about every day in nearly every news outlet. Or what they say is “news.”

    The basic format is this: no story here about whatever is being highlighted, except that the notional “dog” was the one doing it. Of course not dogs. Just non-white non-males doing something fairly routine for a talented white male with a decent education. Oh, and sometimes non-heterosexual.

    Now that you have the meme, you’ll spot these everywhere.

    Arf, arf!

  113. @slumber_j
    I guess I should point out that this is off-topic: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7258723/City-worker-spent-300-000-stolen-taxpayers-voodoo-hex-ex-boyfriend-sentenced.html

    The film studio A24 has now made the same film three times, about how evil white people are evilly into evil white paganism, while in real life there are modern film-worthy pagans the studio will never touch.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Very good point.
  114. I support setting up space colonies with open borders. Let all of Africa and the Middle East and Central America take a space shuttle out there to settle. Fine by me.

  115. “Franklin Chang Díaz, who is NASA’s first Latino astronaut. ”

    Now Latina?

    Making such a big deal about to which fake nation you give up your divine right of individual sovereignty.

  116. From Uranus, everything looks brown.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    From Uranus, everything looks brown.
     
    Or yellow, if you pronounce it right. (Greek tends to the antepenultimate.) Planet #7 is either #1 or #2.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=008BPUdQ1XA
  117. @Altai
    The next moon mission is actually mandated to include the first woman to the moon. I'm not joking.

    Biological woman, or “woman?”

  118. @Jim Don Bob

    Extraspecialbonus for a BlackMuslimLesbian Woman.
     
    Not enough Pokemon points. Let's go all the way and send a BlackMuslimDisabledTranny Woman.

    Why just one? Let’s send an Ark “B”, on a Social Justice voyage to deep space.

  119. Ironic, because of all the countries on Earth, Space has the most restrictive immigration requirements.

    Astronaut Requirements

    Today, to be considered for an astronaut position, U.S. citizens must meet the following qualifications:

    A bachelor’s degree in engineering, biological science, physical science, computer science or mathematics.
    At least three years of related professional experience obtained after degree completion OR at least 1,000 hours pilot-in-command time on jet aircraft.
    The ability to pass the NASA long-duration astronaut physical. Distant and near visual acuity must be correctable to 20/20 for each eye. The use of glasses is acceptable.

  120. @Laugh Track

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement...
     
    Why are they all facing away from their work stations? It's like they are all watching something momentous on a big screen that would normally be behind them.

    Stanley Kubrick was directing them so they were not focused on their workstations when the photograph was taken.

  121. NASA is just another, government bureaucracy. While some bureaucracies, like DoD and DofEd, occasionally get folks upset, NASA never seems to.

    It never suffered from:

    • incinerating those three astronaut guinea pigs on the launch pad.

    • sacrificing (criminal negligence) that schoolteacher (et al).

    The latter incident — a test flight (e.g. throttle at 104% — was particularly outrageous and political. It hurriedly launched Challenger after a night of freezing temperatures and a series of earlier scrubs.

    Morton-Thiokol took the blame.

  122. @PiltdownMan
    The Washington Post has prominently run, for a few days, a story on the speech Nixon would have given if the mission had failed. Along with the New York Times, it is trying to Maintain an Appropriate Woke Perspective on that extraordinary achievement.

    This picture, for instance, which instantly conveys who deserves credit for the achievement, instead accompanied an article about rowdy after work parties and broken families.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/1hY9mAY_Bclu9qM1Ixwc7Xsp9uA=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ORJFDNVG3MI6TBZTJDEHENPTSY.jpg

    A fake project, if they wanted it to fail, it would have failed.

    The Times is just continuing to promote the project.

    The Space Shuttle project.
    http://mileswmathis.com/shut.pdf

    The Space program was wealth transfer from USA to the few, the wealthy, the rulers.

    As was the Cold War, Global War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty, etc.

    Just keep bitching about welfare mommas. Ignore the trillionaires hidden behind the curtains.

  123. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    ‘Hidden’ because she is lighter complexioned than even Obama, herefore not easily found when searching for African-Americans?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Jack D
    As a hint to how white she was, Johnson used to use the whites only bathrooms at Langley and no one said anything. The people who knew her (as "black") didn't care and the people who didn't know her just assumed she was white.

    In those days, had she chosen another path, Johnson could have "crossed the color line". She would have had to move to the North, cut herself off from her family and found a nice white GI to marry and never mention to anyone that she was "black". (Not everyone was willing to do this even if they had the skin color to get away with it, especially since it was getting progressive easier to be black after WWII. Cutting yourself off from your family and culture is not easy). In 2019 one of her grandchildren or great grandchildren would have sent his DNA in to 23 and Me and found out (puzzlingly) that he was 2 or 3% African.

  124. A new kind of American has been invented: an “undocumented refugee”.

    • Replies: @Corn
    I see the guy is a Republican. With friends like these who needs enemies?
    , @J.Ross
    What can we do to hurt the GOP? Amash is properly out and humbled, but McConnell's not going to look at this smiling traitor as a liability.
  125. @Hail

    Franklin Chang Díaz
     
    Not plausible.

    Made up name.

    It’s legit. There is a noticable East Asian diaspora in Latin America, and he’s probably a quarter, or half. His dad has got the Latin names, so I’d say quarter. He’s got a PHD in Applied Plasma Physics from MIT. That’s not half bad

    • Replies: @Alden
    I don’t even know what plasma physics is. And I doubt I could understand if someone explained it.

    But then I’m a woman.
  126. @Anonymous
    ... what the hell is he doing in America ?

    astronaut stuff, going to outer space, helping them with science….?

  127. @Lurker
    https://i.imgflip.com/35ysvv.jpg

  128. RIP John Tanton, he fought the good fight.

  129. @PiltdownMan

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/AiRPCBu.jpg

    Little did we know that, as the 20th century ended, the Enterprise would be commanded by Marshal Applewhite on a mission to the Hale Bopp Comet.

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/criminalminds/images/d/df/Marshall_Applewhite.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180420011033

  130. ….black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers”

    Please stop this madness.

  131. Does he think the Moon is really Mexican territory that needs to be taken back? 🤔

  132. @Steve Richter
    in the current PBS series on Apollo there is a segment on a Black pilot who was being considered for the astronaut program. They say Robert Kennedy was pushing hard for his inclusion. The series says Chuck Yeager did not want him, told other test pilots to shun him - Chuck is described as "a piece of work".

    I watched almost all the same shows last year ….no magic negroes. But this year the Magic Negro is in this series. Just trying to prove how racist NASA was and ignorant whites are. I can’t imagine how far we would be advanced in the space sciences if we had included these black super human computers and Afronauts back in the sixties. Hell I’m thinking they would have finally re-fired the engines on the pyramids and got them safely back to Wakanda.

  133. @Lot
    Can we talk about the important issue of Chang Diaz’s hair for a minute?

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/thumbs/franklin-chang-daz-1.jpg

    I can’t decide if the Challenger explosion or his bangs are the bigger tragedy

  134. @swami_cuckenstein
    >Chang Diaz?

    People of color or color of people?

    The C doesn’t stand for color. It stands for a 4 letter word beginning with C.

  135. @Steve Richter
    in the current PBS series on Apollo there is a segment on a Black pilot who was being considered for the astronaut program. They say Robert Kennedy was pushing hard for his inclusion. The series says Chuck Yeager did not want him, told other test pilots to shun him - Chuck is described as "a piece of work".

    An article at unz.com covered that.

    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/chuck-yeager-bombed/

  136. @Tired of Not Winning
    The next astronaut will be named Guillermo Lakisha Wong Cohen. That's how they pick 'em these days, by how many boxes they can check.

    Not Guillermo. The former man will have changed his first name to Wilhelmina. Or maybe Guadalupe which is both a man and woman’s name.

    We should all be glad the liberals are focusing on gender insanity. This puts off their push to legalize pedophilia for a few years.

  137. @Steve Richter
    in the current PBS series on Apollo there is a segment on a Black pilot who was being considered for the astronaut program. They say Robert Kennedy was pushing hard for his inclusion. The series says Chuck Yeager did not want him, told other test pilots to shun him - Chuck is described as "a piece of work".

    As I recollect the coloured chap didn’t make the grade but Kennedy told Yaeger to pass him, Yaeger did but also passed everybody who scored above him, a big graduation class that year 🙂

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  138. @Lot
    Can we talk about the important issue of Chang Diaz’s hair for a minute?

    https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/thumbs/franklin-chang-daz-1.jpg

    He’s very good looking.

  139. @Whiskey
    This the failure of civic nationalism. As Whites are erased from their own history? We have what amounts to negotiate d surrender.n

    Why surrender when you have tens of millions who are armed?

    Why surrender when you have tens of millions who contribute a few trillion to GDP?

    You need to change your defeatist mindset. There is a reason why people are shot in war for ‘defeatism’.

    Also, stop thought-policing against patriots like Pat Buchanan because of your irrational love of Israel. Israel is in the best shape of her existence. You need to start helping in the USA. You can start by stopping the defeatism and siding with the true patriots.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    In order to be defeated or to engage in “defeatism,” one must have actually fought, or be attached in some way to those who have fought. Thankfully, white Americans are handily disqualified by that criteria.
  140. Wondering whether a Chinese Mexican would be conflicted about the utility of great big walls?

  141. Top tip in wokeness for NASA: guarantee not just a woman on the moon but the first lesbian sex on the moon!

    Televise it and they would get great ratings, what’s not to like?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Good idea. Send the World Cup soccer lesbian. Then leave her there.
    , @Kronos
    They need to be hot, HOT! I Say!
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "Televise it and they would get great ratings, what’s not to like?"

    Yes, zero or very low gravity could make possible some interesting positions and camerawork, no need for a boring old bed. It's the future of porn!
  142. @inselaffen
    what's wrong with that?

    Because it’s mentioned constantly and mandated. No question astronauts of all races and genders are probably the most overqualified people on the planet. If it was incidental, that would be fine, but they made it their (Arguably most interesting and promoted) most mentioned element.

    Basically any mention of the 2024 mission is just ‘first woman on the moon’ and nothing else.

  143. @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen more pocket protectors in any other photograph. Beautiful!
     
    Where can you get those today?

    Where can you get those today?

    Pens don’t leak much any more so you don’t really need one.

  144. @Gordo
    Top tip in wokeness for NASA: guarantee not just a woman on the moon but the first lesbian sex on the moon!

    Televise it and they would get great ratings, what's not to like?

    Good idea. Send the World Cup soccer lesbian. Then leave her there.

  145. @eah
    A new kind of American has been invented: an "undocumented refugee".

    https://twitter.com/Fla_Pol/status/1151603625673838593

    I see the guy is a Republican. With friends like these who needs enemies?

  146. @C. Van Carter
    From Uranus, everything looks brown.

    From Uranus, everything looks brown.

    Or yellow, if you pronounce it right. (Greek tends to the antepenultimate.) Planet #7 is either #1 or #2.

  147. ‘Everyone Is a Citizen’

    Am besten each in his own country.

  148. @Gordo
    Top tip in wokeness for NASA: guarantee not just a woman on the moon but the first lesbian sex on the moon!

    Televise it and they would get great ratings, what's not to like?

    They need to be hot, HOT! I Say!

  149. @Steve Richter
    in the current PBS series on Apollo there is a segment on a Black pilot who was being considered for the astronaut program. They say Robert Kennedy was pushing hard for his inclusion. The series says Chuck Yeager did not want him, told other test pilots to shun him - Chuck is described as "a piece of work".

    isteve fan give the complete story in Yeager’s own words but here is a short version:

    As soon as I saw the thing about the “racist” Chuck Yeager (who BTW is still alive and should sue for defamation) mistreating the black pilot, I understood immediately what happened, even without having read Yeager’s piece (which 100% confirmed my assumption). Maybe you can bring in AA blacks to your law school and a few of them will actually get thru and pass the bar exam and then in a couple of years get some government job that doesn’t actually involve practicing because they are never going to make partner, but this was a life or death program upon which the entire prestige of the US in the midst of the Cold War depended. You couldn’t afford to send up some marginal AA hire who would panic when the rocket went into a spin. We saw what happened to the 737 Max in the hands of an Ethiopian pilot – that’s what would have happened.

    This was a super elite program that 99.9% of white people couldn’t get into either, involving a dozen or so of the absolute best test pilots in the entire US. These guys had it all – they were super fit physically, many of them had advanced degrees from places like MIT and were highly intelligent. They were psychologically sound and cool under pressure. The whole package – the best of the best. They found this Ed Dwight guy and he was marginally OK, but not great – in Yeager’s estimation he was ranked #26 out of 26 candidates for a class of 11 – way below the cutoff. Not even the best black test pilot (Yeager knew pretty much everyone) but the best one who applied. He was especially deficient in academics – just not that smart.

    But the Kennedies insisted that he take a Negro and so he had to. Yeager’s version was that the guy really sucked and couldn’t hack it even though they gave him all sorts of special tutoring and extra help. He managed to squeeze thru the course but he was so far behind the rest of the class that NASA did not pick him to actually become an astronaut. In Dwight’s version (and I can believe this because this is how it’s done in the military) Yeager (probably in order to save this man’s own life as much as anything – he would gotten himself killed for sure, maybe along with another couple of astronauts and the Kennedies wouldn’t have cared one bit) sent word to the other pilots to shun this guy – to speak to him as necessary but not to have anything to do with him otherwise so that he would get the message and drop out. In later life he became an artist or a sculptor or something.

    Shorter version : The Current Year narrative is completely ass backward as usual. Ed Dwight didn’t have the Right Stuff. Chuck Yeager probably saved Ed Dwight’s life (not to mention the prestige of the space program) by squeezing him out before he got himself killed.

    • Replies: @Alden
    There was doubt that some of the black government lawyers in the criminal courts building could read. They could talk though, and bluff their way through prelims and motions with a lot of help.

    And of course every time there was a Democrat governor they’d appoint those blacks judges the week after they had the requisite 5 years since admittance to the Bar finished.
  150. @Precious
    Rachel Hatzipanagos needs to learn the difference between the definition of hidden and the definition of insignificant.

    Speaking of “hidden”…

    Rachel Hatzipanagos =

    A paternal schizo hag.
    A zit, alpha censor hag.

  151. Service Guarantees Citizenship.

  152. @eah
    A new kind of American has been invented: an "undocumented refugee".

    https://twitter.com/Fla_Pol/status/1151603625673838593

    What can we do to hurt the GOP? Amash is properly out and humbled, but McConnell’s not going to look at this smiling traitor as a liability.

    • Replies: @eah
    What can we do to hurt the GOP?

    Support the Alt-Right and the people who promote its message (including White Nationalism) in the hope more people ("normies") will see how useless "conservatives" are -- unlike the Left (included is the mainstream media), which has embraced and gives implicit as well as explicit support to Antifa, "conservatives" have not supported the Alt-Right and they aren't going to start anytime soon -- in fact they are often among the first to (virtue-)signal against the Alt-Right.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What can we do to hurt the GOP?
     
    We have the GOP because somebody once asked, "What can we do to hurt the Whigs?"

    The other party goes happily on its way, doing the damage it's been doing for 200 years now.
  153. @Hippopotamusdrome
    'Hidden' because she is lighter complexioned than even Obama, herefore not easily found when searching for African-Americans?
    https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/jgSzOfO6PDxw5g1bXWCCclEtabk=/fit-in/270x0/2016/10/22/eb109aa1-7fe3-4f53-bc1a-5f89dfe62ad8/kjohnson.jpg



    https://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/crgis/images/thumb/6/69/1985-L-01543.jpg/600px-1985-L-01543.jpg

    As a hint to how white she was, Johnson used to use the whites only bathrooms at Langley and no one said anything. The people who knew her (as “black”) didn’t care and the people who didn’t know her just assumed she was white.

    In those days, had she chosen another path, Johnson could have “crossed the color line”. She would have had to move to the North, cut herself off from her family and found a nice white GI to marry and never mention to anyone that she was “black”. (Not everyone was willing to do this even if they had the skin color to get away with it, especially since it was getting progressive easier to be black after WWII. Cutting yourself off from your family and culture is not easy). In 2019 one of her grandchildren or great grandchildren would have sent his DNA in to 23 and Me and found out (puzzlingly) that he was 2 or 3% African.

  154. @BengaliCanadianDude
    It's legit. There is a noticable East Asian diaspora in Latin America, and he's probably a quarter, or half. His dad has got the Latin names, so I'd say quarter. He's got a PHD in Applied Plasma Physics from MIT. That's not half bad

    I don’t even know what plasma physics is. And I doubt I could understand if someone explained it.

    But then I’m a woman.

  155. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    Johnson (the most prominent of the Hidden Figures) started out as a computress but was a bright woman with a math background and was promoted (somewhat). Meritocratic (and yet modestly paying) organizations like NASA are always dying for talent – they are not going to let someone good (whether they are green or purple) languish in the typing pool if they show that they have greater capabilities that are badly needed. Eventually Johnson received 2nd position on a number of NASA research papers – they wouldn’t have done that if she was just a computress. However, there must have been hundreds or thousands of anonymous white men at NASA whose contributions were equivalent to Johnsons.

    I doubt that von Braun even knew who she was but apparently some of the astronauts did. Her biggest brush with fame (a not very big one) involved John Glenn when was going up for his first orbital mission. This was right at the time when the calculation of trajectories had been switched from being done by human computers like Johnson to being done by electronic computers. Glenn knew that the earlier, suborbital trajectories such as Shepard’s had been worked out (successfully) by hand by Johnson & co. Glenn was presented with the computer print out of his orbit. Glen supposedly said “Get the girl [Johnson] to check the numbers. If she says the numbers are good, I am ready to go.” In Current Year thinking, this makes Johnson the key woman in the entire space program, but another way of looking at it is that Glenn was a cautious sort of fellow and distrustful of this newfangled IBM thing, so that he thought it would be good to have a trusted human double check the computer’s work.

    This went on for a brief transition period until it became clear that the computer always got the right answer and it was a waste of time and money to have humans do the same work twice. After that they tried to transition the human computers into other jobs such as computer programming (at least for the brighter ones like Johnson) and maybe keypunch operator for the less talented ones.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Glen supposedly said “Get the girl [Johnson] to check the numbers. If she says the numbers are good, I am ready to go.”
     
    According to Paul Kersey, the only reference to that is in the Book and Movie Hidden Figures. Glenn himself never recounted any story in which he personally asked for Johnson to check the calculations. Given that he was a Democratic Senator for 25 years, a keynote speaker at the 1976 Democratic National Convention, and ran for President in 1984, one would think he would have mentioned something about that sometime, if it were true.
  156. @istevefan
    Why surrender when you have tens of millions who are armed?

    Why surrender when you have tens of millions who contribute a few trillion to GDP?

    You need to change your defeatist mindset. There is a reason why people are shot in war for 'defeatism'.

    Also, stop thought-policing against patriots like Pat Buchanan because of your irrational love of Israel. Israel is in the best shape of her existence. You need to start helping in the USA. You can start by stopping the defeatism and siding with the true patriots.

    In order to be defeated or to engage in “defeatism,” one must have actually fought, or be attached in some way to those who have fought. Thankfully, white Americans are handily disqualified by that criteria.

  157. WaPo: “From Space, Everyone Is a Citizen”

    From outer space, everybody is an alien.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    To Cthulhu, everyone is ph' nagen.
  158. @istevefan

    People of color, including the black female mathematicians who worked as “human computers” and were depicted in the Oscar-winning “Hidden Figures,” were a part of NASA’s space program from its inception.
     
    Can we get to the bottom of the so called hidden figures gals? I had never heard of them until that movie came out three years ago. Now the MSM treats them as though they were the brains behind the operation.

    Clearly one can identify Werner Von Braun as being one of the brains behind the operation. Would he have even have known about these women?

    I thought these women performed manual mathematical calculations to verify the real computers' solutions. Is that true, or did they actually provide theory too. Also, were only black women used as human computers? Or did they utilize White women and men?

    If they were in need of the nation's leading mathematicians, wouldn't the bulk of the hidden figures people have been White men, and disproportionately Jewish as well? If that was not the case, then it suggests the hidden figures people were not looked upon as a critical asset.

    I don't pretend to know much detail about NASA, then or today. So if anyone has more knowledge, please let us know.

    My main BS detector tells me that if the hidden figures people were that critical to the success of the moon missions, then they would have resembled the crew of the Manhattan Project. Since they didn't, that tells me that the hidden figures people were not critical.

    Hidden Figures (human computers) performed rote calculations using electro-mechanical adding machines, until automatic data processing supplanted warm bodies.
    Jack Crenshaw developed the lunar trajectories.

  159. @Redneck farmer
    Do they write about the disproportionate amount of Jewish guys at NASA, or is that a source of pride?

    Was there a disproportionate # of Jews at NASA? My impression was that the nuclear weapons program was heavily Jewish but that NASA (full of literal Nazis in high positions and located in the Deep South where in those days you couldn’t get a decent bagel to save your life) didn’t have all that many Jews.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    And the Jew's weakness is visuo-spatial reasoning.
    , @Alden
    My impression too. I don’t remember any Jewish or even maybe Jewish names like Becker in the space program. But I didn’t pay much attention until the day of the landing.
  160. @Jack D
    Was there a disproportionate # of Jews at NASA? My impression was that the nuclear weapons program was heavily Jewish but that NASA (full of literal Nazis in high positions and located in the Deep South where in those days you couldn't get a decent bagel to save your life) didn't have all that many Jews.

    And the Jew’s weakness is visuo-spatial reasoning.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    They're not very good with the physics of cooling a can of beer, either.
  161. @PiltdownMan

    The astronaut looks like a cross between Mr. Sulu and Ensign Chekov.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/AiRPCBu.jpg

    Early Beatles/Monkees wig Chekov:

  162. @Abolish_public_education
    I’m really getting tired of all this Apollo 11 nostalgia.

    How many government bureaucrat, coffee drinking, NASA workers from the Apollo days are still .. “employed” there?

    I used to know a technician for an Apollo program contractor. It once complained to me that when the program ended, while the contractors were laying off by the thousands (ah, the good ol’days!), no NASA guy ever lost his job.

    How many NASA guys have been milking Voyager since Day One?

    How many NASA guys were prosecuted for incinerating those three astronaut guinea pigs on the launch pad?

    The way that NASA sacrificed that schoolteacher (and the Black, and the lesbo, et al) was criminally negligent homicide.

    That the bureaucracy chose to assemble a crew based on diversity was bad enough. But then it doubled-down on its political statement by hurriedly launching after a night of freezing weather and a series of earlier scrubs, all in an effort to make a big splash .. and support public education.

    And WTH was a civilian doing on a *test* flight? The explosion occurred a few seconds after the play-by-play guy said something like, “Roger. You’re good to go to 105%.”

    Since it’s been 50 years and most people retire (esp. from gov. jobs with fat pensions) at 65, I doubt that there are any left.

    The Challenger disaster was really indicative of America’s decline. Prior to the Space Shuttle, not a single American astronaut died in space despite the fact that the technology was then brand new and unproven. It was also remarkable that they did the moon mission in less than 7 years from start to finish. Nowadays they would still be drafting the environmental impact statement in year 7. Surely there is some endangered snail or lizard or something that lives at Cape Canaveral?

    But by the time of Challenger the old, engineering driven culture was dead and NASA was being driven by publicity hounds whose top concern was AA and not merit. Engineers were just an obstacle to their publicity goals. The same thing has happened at Boeing, where the design of the 737 Max was driven by the sales people, with the same sort of results. Salesman/publicity types tend to win bureaucratic turf wars with engineering types because they are better at selling themselves too but it’s usually a Pyrrhic victory because their victory sows the seed of future doom.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Prior to the Space Shuttle, not a single American astronaut died in space despite the fact that the technology was then brand new and unproven.
     
    Surely the fact that not a single American astronaut died in space is moot, when you consider that Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee died in Apollo 1 in a fire?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1

    Instead of the flurry of articles about Latinos, women, the boozy bro culture and all the rest, I wish at least one paper would run an article about them.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5f43f8dc60efdaa83de379985382d22384354a08/c=0-84-1997-1213/local/-/media/2016/03/15/Brevard/B9320915424Z.1_20160315115559_000_GD0DFHLJ3.1-0.jpg?width=3200&height=1680&fit=crop

  163. Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) Cornelius, Zira and Milo arrive on Earth

  164. @Jack D
    isteve fan give the complete story in Yeager's own words but here is a short version:

    As soon as I saw the thing about the "racist" Chuck Yeager (who BTW is still alive and should sue for defamation) mistreating the black pilot, I understood immediately what happened, even without having read Yeager's piece (which 100% confirmed my assumption). Maybe you can bring in AA blacks to your law school and a few of them will actually get thru and pass the bar exam and then in a couple of years get some government job that doesn't actually involve practicing because they are never going to make partner, but this was a life or death program upon which the entire prestige of the US in the midst of the Cold War depended. You couldn't afford to send up some marginal AA hire who would panic when the rocket went into a spin. We saw what happened to the 737 Max in the hands of an Ethiopian pilot - that's what would have happened.

    This was a super elite program that 99.9% of white people couldn't get into either, involving a dozen or so of the absolute best test pilots in the entire US. These guys had it all - they were super fit physically, many of them had advanced degrees from places like MIT and were highly intelligent. They were psychologically sound and cool under pressure. The whole package - the best of the best. They found this Ed Dwight guy and he was marginally OK, but not great - in Yeager's estimation he was ranked #26 out of 26 candidates for a class of 11 - way below the cutoff. Not even the best black test pilot (Yeager knew pretty much everyone) but the best one who applied. He was especially deficient in academics - just not that smart.

    But the Kennedies insisted that he take a Negro and so he had to. Yeager's version was that the guy really sucked and couldn't hack it even though they gave him all sorts of special tutoring and extra help. He managed to squeeze thru the course but he was so far behind the rest of the class that NASA did not pick him to actually become an astronaut. In Dwight's version (and I can believe this because this is how it's done in the military) Yeager (probably in order to save this man's own life as much as anything - he would gotten himself killed for sure, maybe along with another couple of astronauts and the Kennedies wouldn't have cared one bit) sent word to the other pilots to shun this guy - to speak to him as necessary but not to have anything to do with him otherwise so that he would get the message and drop out. In later life he became an artist or a sculptor or something.

    Shorter version : The Current Year narrative is completely ass backward as usual. Ed Dwight didn't have the Right Stuff. Chuck Yeager probably saved Ed Dwight's life (not to mention the prestige of the space program) by squeezing him out before he got himself killed.

    There was doubt that some of the black government lawyers in the criminal courts building could read. They could talk though, and bluff their way through prelims and motions with a lot of help.

    And of course every time there was a Democrat governor they’d appoint those blacks judges the week after they had the requisite 5 years since admittance to the Bar finished.

  165. @Altai
    The next moon mission is actually mandated to include the first woman to the moon. I'm not joking.

    As others have pointed out, that’s not nearly woke enough. A white cisgender woman on the moon – ho hum. Just more white oppression. By the time the US actually gets back to the moon (I’m not sure that’s ever really going to happen at the current rate) that’s not going to be nearly good enough. To really be woke, your gonna need women of color, LGBT women, gender ambiguous people, etc. A Somali Muslim woman in a hijab. A plain old white woman ain’t gonna cut it in Current Year 2027.

    For this reason, I believe the next person who is going to set foot on the moon is NOT going to be an American woman. It’s going to be a Chinese man because the Chinese are still focused on getting shit done instead of making race/gender/sexuality crap their #1 priority.

    • Agree: bruce county
    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    Well if we’re nominating who to send to outer space, what woker choice than Desmond is Amazing? Assuming this psychologically abused and financially exploited child hasn’t offed itself via drug overdose or hanging by launch time...

    https://www.out.com/sites/out.com/files/2019/01/08/desmondisamazing750x422.jpg

    , @Alden
    Haven’t you heard this week’s latest dictate from the Ministry of Thought Control?

    Real women lesbians are out. Men to women transgenders are in. In fact, real lesbians are now considered as much evil oppressors of marginalized communities as hetero White men.

    How dare they want to keep their real women and girls sports, clubs, locker rooms, this and that for women only. It’s discriminating against men. So lesbian is no longer an affirmative action category. The lesbian and heterosexual women quotas are now filled by intact men who identify fluidly as women when its to their advantage.

    That’s this week. Who knows what it will be next week.


    Could this possibly be a satanic plot by evil 👿 White men to overturn affirmative action?
    I certainly hope so.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    With luck, they'll choose an entire crew of intersectional non-males, and the mission will be botched due to Circular Firing Squad issues. That would be good fun for me.
  166. @Jack D
    Was there a disproportionate # of Jews at NASA? My impression was that the nuclear weapons program was heavily Jewish but that NASA (full of literal Nazis in high positions and located in the Deep South where in those days you couldn't get a decent bagel to save your life) didn't have all that many Jews.

    My impression too. I don’t remember any Jewish or even maybe Jewish names like Becker in the space program. But I didn’t pay much attention until the day of the landing.

  167. @Hannah Katz
    Can you imagine if we had an Affirmative Action crew aboard Apollo 13 when disaster struck? Those guys were amazing, as were the engineers at Mission Control in Houston. In space there is no margin for error. You better put the best people on each flight and at Mission Control or you risk all aboard dying in the cold vacuum of space.

    Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 is what happens when you don’t have the best people on board. Similar incidents happened on US airlines flying the Max but the (white male) American pilots figured it out before the plane crashed and hundreds died. Now Boeing shouldn’t have sold these planes the way they were, but their reasoning for not having a proper backup to the angle of attack sensor was that the PILOT is the backup. It turned out this was too much of a presumption.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    flight 302 is what happens when you don't have the best people writing code.
  168. @Dieter Kief

    WaPo: "From Space, Everyone Is a Citizen"
     
    From outer space, everybody is an alien.

    To Cthulhu, everyone is ph’ nagen.

  169. @jill
    How about an article on the first all Puerto Rican command (CDR Alfredo J. Sanchez and executive officer, CDR Jessie L. Sanchez) of the USS McCain

    USS McCain: On August 21, 2017 collided with the Liberian-flagged container ship Alnic MC. Ten US Navy sailors died as a result of the crash.


    Outstanding transgender training in January, 2017:

    "USS John S McCain Holds Transgender Personnel Policy Training

    The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) command triad held training for the ship’s crew pertaining to Secretary of the Navy’s Instruction (SECNAVINST) 1000.11, Jan. 9-12.

    Effective Oct. 1, 2016, transgender Sailors could begin the process to officially change their gender in our personnel administrative systems in accordance with DOD and service policy. On July 1, 2017, transgender applicants who meet updated accessions standards may be accessed into the U.S. Armed Services.

    “We as a Navy are always looking for the best of the best,” said Cmdr. Alfredo L. Sanchez, commanding officer of McCain. “This allows us to continue that tradition.”

    https://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/ddg56/Pages/USS-John-S-McCain-Holds-Transgender-Personnel-Policy-Training.aspx

    There can only be one Job 1. In space flight, Job 1 is getting the people up there and back home again in 1 piece. In the military, Job 1 is winning the war. Once you make Job 1 “promoting people of color” or “accommodating the transgender” or “winning the record for fastest transatlantic ship crossing” or “selling more planes than Airbus”, then you can forget about the real goals. Modern American has completely lost the thread on what Job 1 should be so the whole country is headed for an iceberg. “There’s a whole lot of ruin in a nation” so the iceberg may not hit tomorrow, but the pistol is on the table. Somewhere in Act II it’s going to go off – we don’t know where or when yet, but sure as shootin’ it’s going off. We’ve been lucky so far – Putin, for all his bluster, doesn’t have the resources (1/1oth the GDP) to take on the US head on and he knows it. The Chinese aren’t QUITE ready to make their move either. But someday that luck is going to run out and the Sanchez’s and their transgender crew are not going to be up to the challenge.

    • Agree: Hunsdon
  170. @Gordo
    Top tip in wokeness for NASA: guarantee not just a woman on the moon but the first lesbian sex on the moon!

    Televise it and they would get great ratings, what's not to like?

    “Televise it and they would get great ratings, what’s not to like?”

    Yes, zero or very low gravity could make possible some interesting positions and camerawork, no need for a boring old bed. It’s the future of porn!

  171. @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, that's not nearly woke enough. A white cisgender woman on the moon - ho hum. Just more white oppression. By the time the US actually gets back to the moon (I'm not sure that's ever really going to happen at the current rate) that's not going to be nearly good enough. To really be woke, your gonna need women of color, LGBT women, gender ambiguous people, etc. A Somali Muslim woman in a hijab. A plain old white woman ain't gonna cut it in Current Year 2027.

    For this reason, I believe the next person who is going to set foot on the moon is NOT going to be an American woman. It's going to be a Chinese man because the Chinese are still focused on getting shit done instead of making race/gender/sexuality crap their #1 priority.

    Well if we’re nominating who to send to outer space, what woker choice than Desmond is Amazing? Assuming this psychologically abused and financially exploited child hasn’t offed itself via drug overdose or hanging by launch time…

  172. @Lurker

    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of the history of space exploration
     
    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of history.

    Although someone has to play the bad guys.

    In Hidden Figures, Jeff Daniels plays the white guy who just doesn’t get that black women are the smart ones in NASA.

    As I recall, the script writers decided not to use a real person for the NonWoke white man, but instead created Daniel’s character as “an amalgam of attitudes common in that era”.

    So, there you have it. Actual white guys are written out, while white straw men are inserted into the Story of Black Women.

  173. It is said that, contrary to popular belief, you cannot actually see The Great Wall of China from space.

    I would like a southern border wall that you can actually see from space. From the Moon, even.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Presumably it's a matter of distance? At some point many man-made structures are visible, go far enough and none of them are.

    I have a vague memory that Michael Collins said something about this.
  174. @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, that's not nearly woke enough. A white cisgender woman on the moon - ho hum. Just more white oppression. By the time the US actually gets back to the moon (I'm not sure that's ever really going to happen at the current rate) that's not going to be nearly good enough. To really be woke, your gonna need women of color, LGBT women, gender ambiguous people, etc. A Somali Muslim woman in a hijab. A plain old white woman ain't gonna cut it in Current Year 2027.

    For this reason, I believe the next person who is going to set foot on the moon is NOT going to be an American woman. It's going to be a Chinese man because the Chinese are still focused on getting shit done instead of making race/gender/sexuality crap their #1 priority.

    Haven’t you heard this week’s latest dictate from the Ministry of Thought Control?

    Real women lesbians are out. Men to women transgenders are in. In fact, real lesbians are now considered as much evil oppressors of marginalized communities as hetero White men.

    How dare they want to keep their real women and girls sports, clubs, locker rooms, this and that for women only. It’s discriminating against men. So lesbian is no longer an affirmative action category. The lesbian and heterosexual women quotas are now filled by intact men who identify fluidly as women when its to their advantage.

    That’s this week. Who knows what it will be next week.

    Could this possibly be a satanic plot by evil 👿 White men to overturn affirmative action?
    I certainly hope so.

  175. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:

    See if you can spot Franklin Dias –

    An okay article, in some ways. Listening to Beethoven while watching the faraway Earth turn in space is nice. But of course it just has to get silly with the mandatory product placement. The product being the Shmoo American. Just never mind that Dias is exceptional, as a immigrant, as well as a man. But as an astronaut hardly more remarkable than, say, Michael Lopez-Alegria, the first American astronaut born in Spain.

    Just another typical Hispanic astronaut.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hispanic_astronauts

  176. @Unladen Swallow
    Some guy did a write-up on Unz ( Not Steve's site ) a few years ago, the guy who did the theory behind the physics of spacecraft was a white dude from the South. I think the ladies in the movies just did the manual calculations to verify it, something that was done all the time before electronic computers became commonplace. There were female calculators or computers on the Manhattan Project as well, but no one thinks they were essential because they were white.

    Man of the South: Jack Crenshaw

  177. @El Dato
    > HR person puts voodoo hex on someone

    Why am I not surprised?

    Btw, there is pretty good coffeetable book on selling the space programme by MIT Press:

    http://www.marketingthemoon.com/

    "The most successful marketing and public relations campaign in history, featuring heroic astronauts, press-savvy rocket scientists, enthusiastic reporters, deep-pocketed defense contractors, and Tang."

    Also illustration by Chesley Bonestell. I have a very used copy of "Across the Space Frontier" somewhere around here...

    That actually does look pretty great. Thanks.

  178. @J.Ross
    The film studio A24 has now made the same film three times, about how evil white people are evilly into evil white paganism, while in real life there are modern film-worthy pagans the studio will never touch.

    Very good point.

  179. @International Jew
    File under "Our new country is going to be awesome." It's a great illustration of the synergistic benefits of diversity: white Americans alone can't give us voodoo; Dominicans alone can't generate big budgets for "human resources"; but put the two together and we can have a Dominican human resource lady squandering big bucks doing voodoo!

    I peg her high in the running for first iSteve Woman Of the Year.

  180. @PiltdownMan

    Not Ph.D. He got the rarer and more prestigious Sc.D. from MIT. Buzz Aldrin also got the Sc.D. from MIT.
     
    AFAIK, the Sc.D and Ph.D. are equivalent at MIT, and most American universities. In Europe or the UK, a D.Sc/Sc.D is indeed a more prestigious and rarer degree. It is awarded for a significant body of published work of special merit.

    {Humblebrag} PiltdownUncle1 started publishing papers in math in the 1920s, and circa 1935, was awarded a D.Sc. for his research output as a topologist.

    Oh, with a ScD he was surely a top ologist, but what kind of -ologist was he?

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  181. @Whiskey
    Trump throws base under the bus disavows send her back.

    Bottom line after 150 years non Whites particularly Blacks have absolute moral authority and all Whites must submit. Anything negative is racist. This is baked into our culture. No way to remove it. Even Trump has to grovel.

    Whites can either be masters of slaves of other races no other choice is possible and we chose to be slaves.

    Just drove by yet another black male/hb9.5 white female couple. I’d say you’re right. Keep burying your heads in the sand yt. Keep pretending you have a stake because you have a mortgage and a 401k.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Keep pretending you have a stake because you have a mortgage and a 401k.
     
    You forgot muh Constitution!
  182. @Jack D
    As others have pointed out, that's not nearly woke enough. A white cisgender woman on the moon - ho hum. Just more white oppression. By the time the US actually gets back to the moon (I'm not sure that's ever really going to happen at the current rate) that's not going to be nearly good enough. To really be woke, your gonna need women of color, LGBT women, gender ambiguous people, etc. A Somali Muslim woman in a hijab. A plain old white woman ain't gonna cut it in Current Year 2027.

    For this reason, I believe the next person who is going to set foot on the moon is NOT going to be an American woman. It's going to be a Chinese man because the Chinese are still focused on getting shit done instead of making race/gender/sexuality crap their #1 priority.

    With luck, they’ll choose an entire crew of intersectional non-males, and the mission will be botched due to Circular Firing Squad issues. That would be good fun for me.

  183. @Kronos
    https://www.amazon.com/Whitey-Moon-Politics-death-Program-ebook/dp/B00M2766EI

    The title comes from Gil-Scott Heron’s 1970 spoken word performance.

    He was 50 years ahead of today’s crowd.

    You know I just about had my fill
    Of whitey on the moon
    I think I’ll send these doctor bills
    airmail special
    (To whitey on the moon)

    • Replies: @Kronos
    The book goes into that. Also demonstrates that SJW control via HR started waaaay before Millennials came on the scene.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    What's the word from Johannesburg?
  184. @Jack D
    Since it's been 50 years and most people retire (esp. from gov. jobs with fat pensions) at 65, I doubt that there are any left.

    The Challenger disaster was really indicative of America's decline. Prior to the Space Shuttle, not a single American astronaut died in space despite the fact that the technology was then brand new and unproven. It was also remarkable that they did the moon mission in less than 7 years from start to finish. Nowadays they would still be drafting the environmental impact statement in year 7. Surely there is some endangered snail or lizard or something that lives at Cape Canaveral?

    But by the time of Challenger the old, engineering driven culture was dead and NASA was being driven by publicity hounds whose top concern was AA and not merit. Engineers were just an obstacle to their publicity goals. The same thing has happened at Boeing, where the design of the 737 Max was driven by the sales people, with the same sort of results. Salesman/publicity types tend to win bureaucratic turf wars with engineering types because they are better at selling themselves too but it's usually a Pyrrhic victory because their victory sows the seed of future doom.

    Prior to the Space Shuttle, not a single American astronaut died in space despite the fact that the technology was then brand new and unproven.

    Surely the fact that not a single American astronaut died in space is moot, when you consider that Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee died in Apollo 1 in a fire?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1

    Instead of the flurry of articles about Latinos, women, the boozy bro culture and all the rest, I wish at least one paper would run an article about them.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Wasn't this one of those things where a combination of "must do" and saving pennies ended up costing these men their lives?
    , @Mister.Baseball
    The most disturbing thing I've ever heard is their last audio communication floating around the 'net. Chaffee screaming, "We're burnin' up!" followed by a scream is absolutely horrifying.
  185. @PiltdownMan
    The title comes from Gil-Scott Heron's 1970 spoken word performance.

    https://youtu.be/goh2x_G0ct4

    He was 50 years ahead of today's crowd.

    You know I just about had my fill
    Of whitey on the moon
    I think I'll send these doctor bills
    airmail special
    (To whitey on the moon)

    The book goes into that. Also demonstrates that SJW control via HR started waaaay before Millennials came on the scene.

  186. Public space programs in the West are a joke, with the major driver being to get a biracial transgender Islamic woman from Subsahara Africa on the moon.

    • Agree: Kronos
  187. @PiltdownMan

    Prior to the Space Shuttle, not a single American astronaut died in space despite the fact that the technology was then brand new and unproven.
     
    Surely the fact that not a single American astronaut died in space is moot, when you consider that Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee died in Apollo 1 in a fire?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1

    Instead of the flurry of articles about Latinos, women, the boozy bro culture and all the rest, I wish at least one paper would run an article about them.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5f43f8dc60efdaa83de379985382d22384354a08/c=0-84-1997-1213/local/-/media/2016/03/15/Brevard/B9320915424Z.1_20160315115559_000_GD0DFHLJ3.1-0.jpg?width=3200&height=1680&fit=crop

    Wasn’t this one of those things where a combination of “must do” and saving pennies ended up costing these men their lives?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The fatal flaw was that they had pressurized the capsule with pure oxygen in excess of atmospheric pressure (over 16 psi). Since regular air contains only 20% oxygen (3 psi) this was over 5x as much oxygen as the atmosphere. In that kind of oxygen rich atmosphere, materials that normally burn slowly become extraordinarily flammable. Stuff like velcro straps that would barely smolder in regular air will burn like gasoline soaked rags in pure oxygen at 16psi. They had velcro all over the capsule to keep stuff (clipboards, etc.) from floating away in weightless conditions

    The Apollo capsule was designed so that in space flight the pressure would go down to 5 psi where the risk was much lower, but during the launch sequence the capsule was temporarily raised to high pressure to purge out the air and to get the hatches to seal. This same procedure had been used successfully on Mercury and Gemini and even in previous Apollo tests and nothing bad ever happened but on that day there was some kind of electrical short or something that started a fire. In the super rich atmosphere the fire spread wildly in seconds, much too fast for the astronauts to get themselves out or for them to be rescued from the outside.

    Prior suggestions had been made for the hatch to open outward or to have explosive bolts so that a rapid exit could be accomplished or for the capsule to have a mixed nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere (which is what the Russian did) but these were rejected for seemingly good reasons (engineering always involves choices - you fix one risk but you create a different one - sometimes the cure is worse than the disease). Nitrogen creates a risk of the bends. Explosive bolts can go off by accident. Etc.

    The main mistake was not taking into account how dangerous a fire in a pure oxygen high pressure atmosphere was. They never had tried setting the capsule (or a mockup) on fire while pressurized so they didn't realize how flammable the thing was. Further research showed that similar accidents had occurred in other oxygen rich test chambers. (The Russians had also had accidents also but kept them secret in Russian fashion until the end of the Cold War). Afterwards, various changes were made to lessen the risks.

    It's hard to say that they really did anything wrong - the alternatives had been duly considered and rejected for seemingly good reasons at the time (and not just for speed or cost savings or other unworthy reasons). Only in hindsight had they made really bad decisions.
  188. Wasn’t this one of those things where a combination of “must do” and saving pennies ended up costing these men their lives?

    Perhaps.

    One of the most reliable narrative tropes in military history is “damned civilians/generals pinched pennies and made us rush into war with inadequate equipment.” I think there’s some of that shaping some of the after-the-fact analyses of Apollo 1.

    The fact of the matter is that sending humans into space is an insanely dangerous business. For some reason, the expectation that future space programs will function routinely, ferrying people into space keeps bubbling up in talk about space travel.People completely forget that our most recent manned “routine” spaceflight program had a 50% equipment failure rate, with a total of 14 astronaut deaths.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    No one could say that they pinched pennies on the shuttle - the thing was insanely expensive and each flight costs dozens of time more than had been promised at the inception of the program. With the government you can have something that is insanely expensive and yet incredibly unsafe because 90% of the money gets wasted.

    Future space programs will not resemble the shuttle. It's clear now that the capsule approach makes more sense economically and from the safety POV. You don't need an airplane in outer space. You don't need to land a returning spacecraft on a runway. The whole idea was stupid, probably driven by pilot fantasies. The astronauts never really liked the fact that (most of the time) the capsule was really flown by ground control and by computers and they could have just as well been chimps. The idea of landing on a runway really pleased them.
  189. @Abolish_public_education
    I’m really getting tired of all this Apollo 11 nostalgia.

    How many government bureaucrat, coffee drinking, NASA workers from the Apollo days are still .. “employed” there?

    I used to know a technician for an Apollo program contractor. It once complained to me that when the program ended, while the contractors were laying off by the thousands (ah, the good ol’days!), no NASA guy ever lost his job.

    How many NASA guys have been milking Voyager since Day One?

    How many NASA guys were prosecuted for incinerating those three astronaut guinea pigs on the launch pad?

    The way that NASA sacrificed that schoolteacher (and the Black, and the lesbo, et al) was criminally negligent homicide.

    That the bureaucracy chose to assemble a crew based on diversity was bad enough. But then it doubled-down on its political statement by hurriedly launching after a night of freezing weather and a series of earlier scrubs, all in an effort to make a big splash .. and support public education.

    And WTH was a civilian doing on a *test* flight? The explosion occurred a few seconds after the play-by-play guy said something like, “Roger. You’re good to go to 105%.”

    How many government bureaucrat, coffee drinking, NASA workers from the Apollo days are still .. “employed” there?

    As civil servants? Probably about zero. A few old guys might still be employed as contractor-consultants, but very few, if any The last Apollo flight was 44 years ago.

    How many NASA guys have been milking Voyager since Day One?

    None. Voyager was managed by JPL; they aren’t NASA employees. What’s your problem with Voyager – two of the most remarkable and productive space probes ever launched.

    And WTH was a civilian doing on a *test* flight? The explosion occurred a few seconds after the play-by-play guy said something like, “Roger. You’re good to go to 105%.”

    It wasn’t a “test” flight – it was deemed operational. There had already been more than twenty.

  190. @Jack D
    Johnson (the most prominent of the Hidden Figures) started out as a computress but was a bright woman with a math background and was promoted (somewhat). Meritocratic (and yet modestly paying) organizations like NASA are always dying for talent - they are not going to let someone good (whether they are green or purple) languish in the typing pool if they show that they have greater capabilities that are badly needed. Eventually Johnson received 2nd position on a number of NASA research papers - they wouldn't have done that if she was just a computress. However, there must have been hundreds or thousands of anonymous white men at NASA whose contributions were equivalent to Johnsons.

    I doubt that von Braun even knew who she was but apparently some of the astronauts did. Her biggest brush with fame (a not very big one) involved John Glenn when was going up for his first orbital mission. This was right at the time when the calculation of trajectories had been switched from being done by human computers like Johnson to being done by electronic computers. Glenn knew that the earlier, suborbital trajectories such as Shepard's had been worked out (successfully) by hand by Johnson & co. Glenn was presented with the computer print out of his orbit. Glen supposedly said "Get the girl [Johnson] to check the numbers. If she says the numbers are good, I am ready to go." In Current Year thinking, this makes Johnson the key woman in the entire space program, but another way of looking at it is that Glenn was a cautious sort of fellow and distrustful of this newfangled IBM thing, so that he thought it would be good to have a trusted human double check the computer's work.

    This went on for a brief transition period until it became clear that the computer always got the right answer and it was a waste of time and money to have humans do the same work twice. After that they tried to transition the human computers into other jobs such as computer programming (at least for the brighter ones like Johnson) and maybe keypunch operator for the less talented ones.

    Glen supposedly said “Get the girl [Johnson] to check the numbers. If she says the numbers are good, I am ready to go.”

    According to Paul Kersey, the only reference to that is in the Book and Movie Hidden Figures. Glenn himself never recounted any story in which he personally asked for Johnson to check the calculations. Given that he was a Democratic Senator for 25 years, a keynote speaker at the 1976 Democratic National Convention, and ran for President in 1984, one would think he would have mentioned something about that sometime, if it were true.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Wouldn't shock me if it was completely false. The story they told about the racist cracker Yeager flunking out the wonderful black astronaut was 100% false. Sometimes the Narrative is more important than the truth. Leftists believe lying is OK as long as it's for a good cause.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Plus the Hidden Figures book and movie came out after Glenn was conveniently dead. I'd bet money he did not even know who she was.
  191. @YetAnotherAnon
    It's not a bad name - two famous explorers, John Franklin and Bartholomew Diaz.

    Any Chang explorers? A search only gives me the very sad case of Kathy Chang. Maybe Chang Ch'ien aka Zhang Qian, who opened up the Silk Road around 100 BC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change

    Zhang(aka Chang) He, one of the greatest. A eunuch, but still.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Zhang(aka Chang) He, one of the greatest. "

    Is that the Person Formerly Known As Cheng Ho? Chinese nomenclature/alphabetics sure is complex.

  192. @Jack Hanson
    Wasn't this one of those things where a combination of "must do" and saving pennies ended up costing these men their lives?

    The fatal flaw was that they had pressurized the capsule with pure oxygen in excess of atmospheric pressure (over 16 psi). Since regular air contains only 20% oxygen (3 psi) this was over 5x as much oxygen as the atmosphere. In that kind of oxygen rich atmosphere, materials that normally burn slowly become extraordinarily flammable. Stuff like velcro straps that would barely smolder in regular air will burn like gasoline soaked rags in pure oxygen at 16psi. They had velcro all over the capsule to keep stuff (clipboards, etc.) from floating away in weightless conditions

    The Apollo capsule was designed so that in space flight the pressure would go down to 5 psi where the risk was much lower, but during the launch sequence the capsule was temporarily raised to high pressure to purge out the air and to get the hatches to seal. This same procedure had been used successfully on Mercury and Gemini and even in previous Apollo tests and nothing bad ever happened but on that day there was some kind of electrical short or something that started a fire. In the super rich atmosphere the fire spread wildly in seconds, much too fast for the astronauts to get themselves out or for them to be rescued from the outside.

    Prior suggestions had been made for the hatch to open outward or to have explosive bolts so that a rapid exit could be accomplished or for the capsule to have a mixed nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere (which is what the Russian did) but these were rejected for seemingly good reasons (engineering always involves choices – you fix one risk but you create a different one – sometimes the cure is worse than the disease). Nitrogen creates a risk of the bends. Explosive bolts can go off by accident. Etc.

    The main mistake was not taking into account how dangerous a fire in a pure oxygen high pressure atmosphere was. They never had tried setting the capsule (or a mockup) on fire while pressurized so they didn’t realize how flammable the thing was. Further research showed that similar accidents had occurred in other oxygen rich test chambers. (The Russians had also had accidents also but kept them secret in Russian fashion until the end of the Cold War). Afterwards, various changes were made to lessen the risks.

    It’s hard to say that they really did anything wrong – the alternatives had been duly considered and rejected for seemingly good reasons at the time (and not just for speed or cost savings or other unworthy reasons). Only in hindsight had they made really bad decisions.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Mr. Anon
  193. @PiltdownMan

    Wasn’t this one of those things where a combination of “must do” and saving pennies ended up costing these men their lives?
     
    Perhaps.

    One of the most reliable narrative tropes in military history is "damned civilians/generals pinched pennies and made us rush into war with inadequate equipment." I think there's some of that shaping some of the after-the-fact analyses of Apollo 1.

    The fact of the matter is that sending humans into space is an insanely dangerous business. For some reason, the expectation that future space programs will function routinely, ferrying people into space keeps bubbling up in talk about space travel.People completely forget that our most recent manned "routine" spaceflight program had a 50% equipment failure rate, with a total of 14 astronaut deaths.

    No one could say that they pinched pennies on the shuttle – the thing was insanely expensive and each flight costs dozens of time more than had been promised at the inception of the program. With the government you can have something that is insanely expensive and yet incredibly unsafe because 90% of the money gets wasted.

    Future space programs will not resemble the shuttle. It’s clear now that the capsule approach makes more sense economically and from the safety POV. You don’t need an airplane in outer space. You don’t need to land a returning spacecraft on a runway. The whole idea was stupid, probably driven by pilot fantasies. The astronauts never really liked the fact that (most of the time) the capsule was really flown by ground control and by computers and they could have just as well been chimps. The idea of landing on a runway really pleased them.

  194. Readers of this thread might be interested in the short podcast series put together by Bill Whittle to commemorate the Apollo 11 anniversary. It’s called ‘Apollo 11: What We Saw’.

    It’s also available on youtube, with some added visual stuff.

    I’ve listened to the first three out of four episodes; it’s very good.

  195. @Mr. Anon

    Glen supposedly said “Get the girl [Johnson] to check the numbers. If she says the numbers are good, I am ready to go.”
     
    According to Paul Kersey, the only reference to that is in the Book and Movie Hidden Figures. Glenn himself never recounted any story in which he personally asked for Johnson to check the calculations. Given that he was a Democratic Senator for 25 years, a keynote speaker at the 1976 Democratic National Convention, and ran for President in 1984, one would think he would have mentioned something about that sometime, if it were true.

    Wouldn’t shock me if it was completely false. The story they told about the racist cracker Yeager flunking out the wonderful black astronaut was 100% false. Sometimes the Narrative is more important than the truth. Leftists believe lying is OK as long as it’s for a good cause.

  196. @Anon7
    It is said that, contrary to popular belief, you cannot actually see The Great Wall of China from space.

    I would like a southern border wall that you can actually see from space. From the Moon, even.

    Presumably it’s a matter of distance? At some point many man-made structures are visible, go far enough and none of them are.

    I have a vague memory that Michael Collins said something about this.

  197. eah says:
    @J.Ross
    What can we do to hurt the GOP? Amash is properly out and humbled, but McConnell's not going to look at this smiling traitor as a liability.

    What can we do to hurt the GOP?

    Support the Alt-Right and the people who promote its message (including White Nationalism) in the hope more people (“normies”) will see how useless “conservatives” are — unlike the Left (included is the mainstream media), which has embraced and gives implicit as well as explicit support to Antifa, “conservatives” have not supported the Alt-Right and they aren’t going to start anytime soon — in fact they are often among the first to (virtue-)signal against the Alt-Right.

  198. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Zhang(aka Chang) He, one of the greatest. A eunuch, but still.

    “Zhang(aka Chang) He, one of the greatest. “

    Is that the Person Formerly Known As Cheng Ho? Chinese nomenclature/alphabetics sure is complex.

  199. @Mr. Anon

    Glen supposedly said “Get the girl [Johnson] to check the numbers. If she says the numbers are good, I am ready to go.”
     
    According to Paul Kersey, the only reference to that is in the Book and Movie Hidden Figures. Glenn himself never recounted any story in which he personally asked for Johnson to check the calculations. Given that he was a Democratic Senator for 25 years, a keynote speaker at the 1976 Democratic National Convention, and ran for President in 1984, one would think he would have mentioned something about that sometime, if it were true.

    Plus the Hidden Figures book and movie came out after Glenn was conveniently dead. I’d bet money he did not even know who she was.

  200. @istevefan

    “From Space, Everyone is a Citizen” ...
     
    A citizen of what; a country, the world, or the USA?

    A citizen of the movie playing in these people’s heads, where they are the stars (and now going to the stars to boot!)

    It’s echo the farther they gaze into that Milky Way.

  201. @PiltdownMan

    Prior to the Space Shuttle, not a single American astronaut died in space despite the fact that the technology was then brand new and unproven.
     
    Surely the fact that not a single American astronaut died in space is moot, when you consider that Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee died in Apollo 1 in a fire?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1

    Instead of the flurry of articles about Latinos, women, the boozy bro culture and all the rest, I wish at least one paper would run an article about them.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5f43f8dc60efdaa83de379985382d22384354a08/c=0-84-1997-1213/local/-/media/2016/03/15/Brevard/B9320915424Z.1_20160315115559_000_GD0DFHLJ3.1-0.jpg?width=3200&height=1680&fit=crop

    The most disturbing thing I’ve ever heard is their last audio communication floating around the ‘net. Chaffee screaming, “We’re burnin’ up!” followed by a scream is absolutely horrifying.

  202. @Leonard Pitts Fan Club
    Who remains unaware of the master plan at this late date?


    1. Race war (locally, nationally, globally)

    2. Total collapse (bioweapons, starvation, mass casualties)

    3. Global government (single digital currency)


    The oligarch media is frenetically priming the pump. The entire culture is beginning to resonate The Plan. Articles like this one from wapo are part of a gigantic military offensive. Fifth generation warfare etc.

    If only Donald Trump was president.

    Obey, global citizen!

    I see you listen to Corbett.

    I have the horrible feeling you, and him are right.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I see you listen to Corbett.
     
    Corbett certainly understood class:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9tXBC-71aZs
  203. @Jack D
    Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 is what happens when you don't have the best people on board. Similar incidents happened on US airlines flying the Max but the (white male) American pilots figured it out before the plane crashed and hundreds died. Now Boeing shouldn't have sold these planes the way they were, but their reasoning for not having a proper backup to the angle of attack sensor was that the PILOT is the backup. It turned out this was too much of a presumption.

    flight 302 is what happens when you don’t have the best people writing code.

  204. @Mr. Anon

    From Space, Everyone is a Citizen
     
    And yet it wasn't Latin America that built the spacecraft that sent men to the Moon, it was the United States of America, a non Latin American nation that was about 90% white.

    The Media now seems to be about the task of writing white people out of the history of space exploration. Pretty soon we'll be hearing about the sassy black women who really designed and built the V-2 rockets.

    Nah, Wernher Von Braun was a Jew.

  205. @J.Ross
    And the Jew's weakness is visuo-spatial reasoning.

    They’re not very good with the physics of cooling a can of beer, either.

  206. @Laugh Track

    Franklin Ramón Chang Díaz =

    Half-Mandarin no king, czar.
    Darn flaring Amazon chink.
     
    Do you use an app for these concoctions or is it a born talent? In any case, always amusing.

    Wordsmith.org will spit out tens of thousands for a 22-letter name like that. Then it’s needle-in-the-haystack time, or perhaps gold-panning, looking for that elusive spark among all the silt. (Adding the middle name improved these results.)

    The advanced functions help a lot in winnowing. I don’t know if “chink” is in their vocabulary, but I didn’t see it in the top 500 hits, so I searched for it.

    It works best if the name has a good mix of vowels, and not too many of those high-scoring Scrabble consonants.

  207. @Bill Jones
    I see you listen to Corbett.

    I have the horrible feeling you, and him are right.

    I see you listen to Corbett.

    Corbett certainly understood class:

  208. @J.Ross
    What can we do to hurt the GOP? Amash is properly out and humbled, but McConnell's not going to look at this smiling traitor as a liability.

    What can we do to hurt the GOP?

    We have the GOP because somebody once asked, “What can we do to hurt the Whigs?”

    The other party goes happily on its way, doing the damage it’s been doing for 200 years now.

  209. @PiltdownMan
    The title comes from Gil-Scott Heron's 1970 spoken word performance.

    https://youtu.be/goh2x_G0ct4

    He was 50 years ahead of today's crowd.

    You know I just about had my fill
    Of whitey on the moon
    I think I'll send these doctor bills
    airmail special
    (To whitey on the moon)

    What’s the word from Johannesburg?

  210. OK, he’s half-Cantonese and born in Costa Rica. American since 1977.

    “Franklin Ramón Chang Díaz was born in San José, Costa Rica on April 5, 1950 to a father of Chinese descent, Ramón Ángel Chang Morales, an oil worker whose own father fled China during the Boxer Rebellion.[7] His mother is Costa Rican, María Eugenia Díaz Romero.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Chang_D%C3%ADaz

  211. @The Alarmist
    You mentioned Poppy Northcutt in an earlier post, but you didn't post a pic.

    She was quite a looker.

    http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/547cd70e69beddbf46b2c11c-1200/women-in-space.png
  212. @L Woods
    Just drove by yet another black male/hb9.5 white female couple. I’d say you’re right. Keep burying your heads in the sand yt. Keep pretending you have a stake because you have a mortgage and a 401k.

    Keep pretending you have a stake because you have a mortgage and a 401k.

    You forgot muh Constitution!

  213. @The Alarmist
    You mentioned Poppy Northcutt in an earlier post, but you didn't post a pic.

    She was quite a looker.

    http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/547cd70e69beddbf46b2c11c-1200/women-in-space.png

    In future Apollo 11 remakes, she’ll be retconned as a proud black woman.

  214. Is this a story from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to Diversity?

    China doesn’t have these problems. They have a Yuuuge Wall.

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