RSS
Last night, Hillary Clinton chose to wrap up her debate with the sad story of Alicia Machado, a Latina immigrant victimized by Donald Trump, who had previously been too little known in the English-speaking world:
HOLT: Very quickly, because we’re at the final question now.
CLINTON: You know, he tried to switch from looks to stamina. But this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs, and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers, who has said…
TRUMP: I never said that.
CLINTON: …. women don’t deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men.
TRUMP: I didn’t say that.
CLINTON: And one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. And he called this woman “Miss Piggy.” Then he called her “Miss Housekeeping,” because she was Latina. Donald, she has a name.
TRUMP: Where did you find this? Where did you find this?
CLINTON: Her name is Alicia Machado.
TRUMP: Where did you find this?
CLINTON: And she has become a U.S. citizen, and you can bet…
TRUMP: Oh, really?
CLINTON: … she’s going to vote this November.
TRUMP: OK, good. Let me just tell you…
(APPLAUSE)
Thank God this poor woman was just given the right to vote in our election in time to wreak her vengeance upon Donald Trump.
Today, this New York Times article totally buys into Hillary’s positioning of Ms. Machado as a sad victim of sexism:
Shamed and Angry: Alicia Machado, a Miss Universe Mocked by Donald Trump
By MICHAEL BARBARO and MEGAN TWOHEY SEPT. 27, 2016For 20 years, Alicia Machado has lived with the agony of what Donald J. Trump did to her after she won the Miss Universe title: shame her, over and over, for gaining weight.
Private scolding was apparently insufficient. Mr. Trump, who was an executive producer of the pageant, insisted on accompanying Ms. Machado, then a teenager, to a gym, where dozens of reporters and cameramen watched as she exercised.
Mr. Trump, in his trademark suit and tie, posed for photographs beside her as she burned calories in front of members of the news media. “This is somebody who likes to eat,” Mr. Trump said from inside the gym.
On Monday night, Hillary Clinton turned Ms. Machado’s pain into a potent political weapon on the biggest stage.
In the process, Ms. Clinton, the first female presidential nominee of a major party, elevated a largely forgotten tale of Mr. Trump, when his oversight of beauty pageants collided with his unforgiving fixation with female beauty.
And Mrs. Clinton put a spotlight on Ms. Machado, Miss Universe 1996, who says she has never recovered from the experience.
But it turns out that Ms. Machado somehow recovered enough to live an interesting life over the last 20 years, although NYT didn’t see fit to mention any of the following today. From the Associated Press’s archive:
VENEZUELAN BEAUTY QUEEN ACCUSED
AP , Associated Press
Jan. 23, 1998 6:39 PM ETCARACAS, Venezuela (AP) _ The Venezuelan beauty queen who made headlines two years ago for putting on weight after being crowned Miss Universe is back in the news.
A lawyer for a man who was shot outside a church in November said Friday that Alicia Machado, 21, was seen driving the car in which her boyfriend sped away from the scene of the shooting. Francisco Sbert Mousko suffered brain damage when two bullets punctured his skull outside a church where his dead wife was being eulogized.
Sbert’s family said the alleged gunman, Sbert’s brother-in-law Juan Rodriguez Reggeti, had accused Sbert of driving his sister to commit suicide.
“Our accusations against Alicia Machado are based on coinciding testimony from witnesses, who place her in the vehicle in which Juan Rodriguez fled the scene,” said Omar Arenas Candelo, one of three attorneys who presented the allegations to a criminal court late Thursday.
A couple of weeks later, the AP also reported:
EX-MS. UNIVERSE ACCUSED OF THREAT
STEVEN GUTKIN, Associated Press
Feb. 5, 1998 4:36 PM ETCARACAS, Venezuela (AP) _ A Venezuela judge said Thursday a former Miss Universe threatened to kill him after he indicted her boyfriend for attempted murder.
Venezuelan beauty queen Alicia Machado threatened “to ruin my career as a judge and … kill me,” Judge Maximiliano Fuenmayor said on national television.
The 21-year-old Machado, who created an international stir in 1996 when she gained 35 pounds after being crowned Miss Universe, allegedly called the judge after he issued an arrest warrant Wednesday for Juan Rafael Rodriguez Regetti.
Rodriguez, 26, is accused of shooting and wounding his brother-in-law, Francisco Antonio Sbert Mousko, outside a church in Caracas last November where Sbert’s wife _ Rodriguez’s sister _ was being eulogizing.
Rodriguez apparently blamed Sbert for driving her to commit suicide.
The victim’s family accused Machado of driving the getaway car, but Fuenmayor has not indicted her, citing insufficient evidence. The judge said there were no witnesses to place Machado at the scene _ or to back up her claim she was home sick at the time.
Fuenmayor said he planned to open a new case against Machado for Wednesday’s threatening phone call.
In the past two decades, Venezuela has had four Miss Universes, four Miss Worlds and two Miss Internationals _ the world’s top beauty title record.
But Machado was not convicted on any of the charges.
Machado later became engaged to major league baseball player Bobby Abreu of Venezuela. From Deadspin:
Bobby Abreu’s Otherworldly Restraint
Leitch
6/13/05 11:42 amWe had heard nothing about this Bobby Abreu story from last month. Maybe it’s because we don’t watch Spanish language TV. But still.
Here’s the details, if you’re as in the dark as we were. The Phillies outfielder — enjoying the greatest season of his career, by the way; right around the time this story broke, he hit homers in six consecutive games — was engaged to former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. In May, she appeared on a Mexican reality television show called “La Granga (The Farm)” and … had sex with a fellow cast member on camera. Needless to say, Abreu was not a fan of this — as Jason Mulgrew points out, Latin men tend not to handle such matters well — called off the engagement and subsequently went on his homer barrage. We still think this might have been cooked up by Phillies general manager Ed Wade and manager Charlie Manuel, like in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, when they smashed Louis’ car right before the football game. But we still can’t believe we hadn’t heard about this, mostly.
From the website PlayersWives.com
Machado went on to moderate success as a soap opera star, and appeared nude for the Mexican edition of Playboy in 2006.
“Tienes una pinga divina.”
Abreu and Machado were engaged in 2005, when Machado went on a reality TV show. The concept of being filmed for a nationwide (and with the glory that is the internet, worldwide) reality TV show apparently escaped Machado as she had sex with a housemate,… of course, all caught on camera. The photos and video appeared online, and Abreu called off the engagement shortly thereafter.
Abreu dumping Alicia Machado was announced in the Philadelphia Daily News on May 2, 2005. Freed from her, the Phillies outfielder suddenly went on one of the hottest streaks of his career. From Wikipedia:
2005 Season:
In May, Abreu was honored as the Player of the Month in the National League, after he hit .396 and 11 home runs. He also led the NL for the month in slugging average (.792), on-base percentage (.535), and walks (30) and was tied for the league lead with 30 RBI. He became the first player in Major League history to hit at least one home run in nine out of ten team games.
In Mexico a few years later, Machado insisted that her new baby was the child of businessman Rafael Hernandez Linares rather than of narco cartel druglord José Gerardo Álvarez Vázquez, a.k.a., El Indio, as Mexico’s Attorney General claimed. From a Google Translate version of a 2010 article in El Economista:
“El Indio” was daughter Alicia Machado
PGR protected witnesses say the former Miss Universe had a daughter with Jose Gerardo Alvarez, arrested today and attended the christening Hector and Arturo Beltran Leyva and Edgar Valdes Villarreal, “La Barbie”.
THE ECONOMIST ONLINE APR 22, 2010 |
El Indio
Jose Gerardo Alvarez Vazquez, “El Indio”, presented today by the Federal Police and detained by federal jointly with the Army, had an affair with former Miss Universe Alicia Machado and fathered a daughter.
Protected witnesses in preliminary investigation PGR / SIEDO / UEIDCS / 359/2008 indicate that the model also had a daughter in 2008 and girl christening was attended by Arturo Beltran Leyva, the “boss of bosses”, his brother Hector Beltran and Edgar Valdes Villarreal, “La Barbie,” who today fight the ownership of the cartel Beltran.
According to the report, Edgar Bayardo del Villar, protected witness who was executed on December 1 last in a cafe in the Colonia del Valle was the first to testify about the romantic relationship between the two characters.
Good job, Hillary …
Hillary’s just not into that Extreme Vetting, because that would be racist.
Alicia Machado is a good example of the ongoing envibrantisimoization of American life. But most American institutions don’t really pay much attention to Latin American pop culture.
For example, today wasn’t the first time the New York Times had written about Alicia Machado. In a long article denouncing Trump in May, the NYT credulously used Machado as their anchorwoman to wrap up their indictement:
Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump Behaved With Women in Private
Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and unsettling workplace conduct over decades.
By MICHAEL BARBARO and MEGAN TWOHEY MAY 14, 2016
But when Mr. Trump lost confidence in women, he could inflict lasting damage on their lives.
After Alicia Machado won the 1996 Miss Universe title, something very human happened: She gained weight. Mr. Trump did not keep his critique of her changing body quiet — he publicly shamed her, she said.
Mr. Trump said he had pushed her to lose weight. “To that, I will plead guilty,” he said, expressing no regret for his tactics.
But the humiliation, Ms. Machado said, was unbearable. “After that episode, I was sick, anorexia and bulimia for five years,” she said. “Over the past 20 years, I’ve gone to a lot of psychologists to combat this.”
Deborah Acosta and Nicholas Casey contributed reporting, and Kitty Bennett contributed research.
Alicia Machado became a U.S. citizen this year, just in time to vote for Hillary.
After all, that’s the American Dream: importing vast numbers of foreign ringers to elect you President.
“One of the requirements for naturalization is good moral character (GMC)” – Vol 12 Part D – CH – 9.
How much of her lurid life did she disclose to the U.S. government? Theoretically, applicants for citizenship must have “good moral character,” but we all know that “vetting” is racist.
More on Alicia Machado from the Daily Mail.
Here’s Trump and Machado joking with the press on CNN 19 years ago:
Seriously, Alicia Machado is what used to be known as an adventuress. There are some fun things about adventuresses, but being lectured by them on morality is not one of them.
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Vietnamese
The new America: one part Jerry Springer, one part World Star Hip Hop News and one part telenovela.
On June 25, 2008, Machado gave birth to a daughter, and said that the father was her best friend Mexican businessman Rafael Hernandez Linares.Mexican news sources, quoting the ATTORNEY GENERAL of MEXICO, reported that the real father of her child was Gerardo Alvarez-Vazquez, the Mexican drug lord, of the paramilitary drug-cartel Los Negros.
The christening of her child was subsequently attended by the chief members of the Beltran drug cartel (the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel), including the cartel's “boss of bosses” Arturo Beltrán Leyva, his brother Héctor Beltrán Leyva and the drug-lord Edgar Valdez Villarreal, “La Barbie”
Boy, the Dems are really batting a thousand on these would-be diversity icons they keep coming up with.
You’d think that in a nation of 320 million, they’d be able to find one honest-to-God poster child who doesn’t wind up confirming all the stereotypes.
Trump should jump on this, the one woman Hillary chose as her example in the debate was in fact believed by the cops to be the getaway driver in an attempted murder and then threatened the life of the judge.
If Hillary can’t even vet the one woman she’s going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background–when there were published stories about her!–how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.
How is that supposed to help DJT? I must have been the only person who didn't watch the debate so I was under the impression that Trump brought this up on his own accord this morning. Apparently it wasn't that bad, but still.
I don't see any way for this to help him, and lots of ways for it to hurt. Among the obvious ones, regurgitating his history with beauty pageants has the possibility of emphasizing his sleazy history with women, and immigration fraud beyond that. Ie, just how did Melania get into the US and what did Trump have to do with it, etc, etc.
To some extent, there's nothing you can do about it, because the liberals, Democrats and MSM will try to dredge this kind of thing up, but there's no possibility that anybody is going to vote for Trump because of his association with Alicia Machado.
From what I can see, it's very unlikely that the debate helped Trump. If we're lucky, it didn't hurt either and if it did then not very much. And you can say that the momentum was with Trump before and maybe it will continue.
But if Trump wins, I hope and expect that Mitch McConnell will be lining up the impeachment conviction votes already, well before Jan 20. He is going to need them.Replies: @Lagertha
Granted a couple orders of magnitude less worse than his failure to mention immigration--in the context or either economics or terrorism; letting Hillary prance around as champion of the little guy and never mentioning her funding by Goldman Sachs and how she got rich; never nailing her with destabilizing Syria and now trying to wave the refugees in here. Way less important than all that, but still it was a muffed response.
Trump should have said:
"Hillary you've got to be kidding me. You're going to waste everyone's time with this nonsense. It's called 'show biz'. My job was to hype the pageant, make news, get ratings and have Miss Universe look good. And she's not a woman working for me in the Trump organization offices--she's a beauty pageant contestant! She chose to put her body in the spotlight, with the hope that she can leverage that attention into a career as a model or actress. And that she has done.
Seriously, Hillary this is as loony as your "i can't remember" email nonsense. I admit i'm guilty, guilty, guilty. You can alert the media: Donald Trump believes models must watch their weight and keep up their appearance. I've got other hot tips for you: Actors and actresses are more attractive than average people and have to workout to stay trim. Football players must workout to make their weight\speed and strength targets."Replies: @eah, @Corvinus
Frankie P
Because she personally does not vet 600,000 Syrians, immigration officials do. And you are assuming that she failed in this background check. It is entirely possible that she and her team knew exactly what they were putting out there, using their liberal acolytes in the media to bait the the Alt Right into going unhinged about Machado's incidents from 15-20 years ago, with the hopes that Trump will focus on this topic rather than policy issues.
And so when the gloves finally come off and Trump hammers on Hillary's numerous issues--which the public already knows about--in the second and third debates, how is that going to make him appear more presidential and convince fence sitters he is worthy of their vote? Because the "respect for Chelsea" comment he made for NOT going full automatic on Hillary in the first debate will be hollow and empty should he give her both barrels, regardless if it is deserving.
It’s clear: Trump’s insult turned her to a life of crime.
Right on cue comes Paul McGeough: Trump goes from ‘stupid’ to ‘very stupid’ with post-debate antics
Yet, this is what Trump told the gang on the talkshow Fox & Friends of Machado, a Venezuelan who at age 19, was crowned Miss Universe 1996: “She was the worst we ever had…”
Worst? What was she up to – using the pageant as cover for running drugs, bank robberies or worse? If Trump was insisting that Machado was no Mother Teresa, what was she – a terrorist?
People of Color hate Trump
https://mobile.twitter.com/sabaatahir?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Granted, the “what if Kitty Dukakis was raped” question was worse, though not by much.
The thing that I found amazing during this entire exchange, well given that the question was even asked and addressed by the candidates, that Clinton actually boasted about getting this woman into the United States and making her a citizen.
“CLINTON: But this is a man ………… who has said……. women don’t deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men.”
Am I supposed to find this shocking? Does Hillary think women should get paid the same as men for doing a worse job than the men?
If Hillary can't even vet the one woman she's going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background--when there were published stories about her!--how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.Replies: @iSteveFan, @Perspective, @Boethiuss, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @AnotherDad, @frankie p, @Corvinus
Nice point.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sabaatahir?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EauthorReplies: @iSteveFan, @bomag
Why do super predators hate Trump?
Why didn’t Trump mention immigration in the debate?
There is a problem with Trump, and that is in his past life his role in life and his income came from things like beauty contest, gambling, the Worldwide Wrestling Federation, and online college course scams.
The equivalent would be if the Democrats nominated Jerry Springer after an insurgent campaign. Springer was after all mayor of a mid-sized city. He didn’t even do that bad a job. Trump doesn’t even have that.
Its like supporting the three-card monte dealer in the red light district for Mayor because, well, the town really needs to be cleaned up, and that is pretty much the only option you have to do it.
http://www.trump.com/real-estate-portfolio/Replies: @SFG
Perhaps someone should ask Senora Machado why her own country is so screwed up.
Am I supposed to find this shocking? Does Hillary think women should get paid the same as men for doing a worse job than the men?Replies: @Hunsdon, @TheBoom
Shut up, she explained.
If I were conspiratorial (and who on Unz.com would be that) I would think that all of Clinton’s health ‘problems’ (coughing, passing out) were just an act. Why?:
1/ Expectations game-Just getting through a debate without collapsing is not much of an accomplishment. But thanks to comments from the Trump campaign (and people here) she turned it into one.
2/ Trump supporters are stoopid-Given how much the Trump campaign has taken pride in the support of the less educated watching them get Hillary’s health situation clearly wrong makes Clinton and her supporters look smart.
3/ Trump sniffles so he must be on cocaine- Its hard for Trump supporters to object to this claim. After all they were pretty loud in claiming Clinton was dying based on little more. Watch in the future for other such claims against Trump.
Actually it had more to do with her uncontrollable head-bobbing and then later (on 9/11) her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera). It was based on more than a few coughing fits.
Obviously her doctors dosed her up with the right cocktail of meds for last night.Replies: @anony-mouse, @Buck Turgidson
It’s true that Trump is somewhat clownish and vulgar, but America itself has become quite clownish and vulgar.
Charles Murray has converted to Citizenism. Looks like Larry Summers got out ahead of this, though. Now there’s a man who did everything right.
https://gborjas.org/2016/09/27/charles-murray-changes-his-mind-on-low-skill-immigration/
I mean, George Soros has a zillion dollars. At this point, why aren’t they trying the old Civil Rights movement tactic of finding a perfect poster child FIRST, and THEN manufacturing some kind of incident around them? Then it wouldn’t blow up in their faces.
Then again, having “unworthy” victims might be kind of the point, since it gives liberals the chance to feel even more virtuous while making conservatives appear like heartless racists in the eyes low-information voters who don’t read websites like this one and still think Trayvon Martin was a 10-year-old little scamp who was executed in cold blood by the KKK.
I'd be that flogging Soros (the thief, the puppetmaster, the self-interested robber baron) would be worth five points in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio. And worth maybe two in Florida.
1/ Expectations game-Just getting through a debate without collapsing is not much of an accomplishment. But thanks to comments from the Trump campaign (and people here) she turned it into one.
2/ Trump supporters are stoopid-Given how much the Trump campaign has taken pride in the support of the less educated watching them get Hillary's health situation clearly wrong makes Clinton and her supporters look smart.
3/ Trump sniffles so he must be on cocaine- Its hard for Trump supporters to object to this claim. After all they were pretty loud in claiming Clinton was dying based on little more. Watch in the future for other such claims against Trump.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @ATX Hipster
“3/ Trump sniffles so he must be on cocaine- Its hard for Trump supporters to object to this claim. After all they were pretty loud in claiming Clinton was dying based on little more.”
Actually it had more to do with her uncontrollable head-bobbing and then later (on 9/11) her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera). It was based on more than a few coughing fits.
Obviously her doctors dosed her up with the right cocktail of meds for last night.
2/ '...her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera...' Now did she not know that she was on camera? Maybe she did. I can also look wobbly and if there are strong people around I can be lifted into a van.
3/ Odd that those doctors that dosed her up for the debate seem to have been completely absent in the recent past.
4/ She's going to be making more speeches and have 2 more debates. We'll see.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @5371
And the beauty of it all is that her story is literally so salacious that there’s no way the media can fail to pick it up, from the tabloids on up.
And the idiot, slimy NY Times obviously coordinated with the Clinton’s campaign to use Machado. How else would it have an article ready to go on Machado the very next morning after the debate?
The Times is going to look like credulous dupes themselves for failing to investigate or report on this sleazy, and very likely criminal, side of Machado. I mean, a google search would have turned this stuff up. What did the Times do in its “reporting”, just take it all straight from a Clinton campaign memo?
They’ll look like vicious little morons, so eager for a slam on Trump that they’ll repeat any crap thrown their way.
Every day that passes, the Times gets dumber and more embarrassing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3810484/Miss-Universe-fat-shamed-Donald-Trump-accused-threatening-kill-judge-accomplice-MURDER-native-Venezuela.htmlReplies: @Jim Don Bob, @BucephalusXYZ
Alicia Machado, doing the jobs Americans won’t do-drug-dealing, robbery, murder, porn, gold-digging, whoring. Wonder if Ol’Bill had a hand in her application for citizenship.
Ms. Machado packs on pounds while living a quite interesting, if unconventional lifestyle, but in the end she is just another undesirable immigrant.
Somewhat off topic but the whole fact check thing is really getting out of hand and is now being used as a weapon to show that everything out of Trump’s mouth is a lie. Obviously we need fact checking, but there is a degree of difference between lying and being slightly off with a figure. For example, Rush brought up how Trump said Hillary has been around power for 30 years. That’s a lie because the correct answer is 26. But the point he was trying to make was valid.
Now Trump seems to have figured this out. At his rally tonight he mentioned that Hillary wanted to increase Obama’s Syrian refugee take by 550 percent. He said he had originally stated the number was 500 percent, but the fact checkers told him he was lying. He asked them to explain and they said the real number was 550 percent. The crowd ate it up.
Maybe this is a new strategy Trump will use. Ridicule every little fact check that is used to make Trump seem like a liar so that the public becomes immune to the constant claims of the fact checkers.
WTF is so crucial about the difference between 26 and 30? Insisting on the correct answer for clearly subjective matters is a mugs game as it distracts from thee substantive question or issue. Ridiculing the fact-check, as above, by correcting to 550% from 500% is a great move to get back on topic rather than a back-and-forth over "who's lying now."
Please Mr. Trump, return to the subject of Alicia Machado in the next debate.
I think Ms. Clinton has a little explaining to do.
How proud is she that Machado is a citizen? How happy is she to have Machado voting for her, and supporting her?
And the vetting of course, how about that? Better or worse than for the many thousands of Syrian refugees?
Yet, this is what Trump told the gang on the talkshow Fox & Friends of Machado, a Venezuelan who at age 19, was crowned Miss Universe 1996: "She was the worst we ever had…"
Worst? What was she up to – using the pageant as cover for running drugs, bank robberies or worse? If Trump was insisting that Machado was no Mother Teresa, what was she – a terrorist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui4RJ3Fqy9wReplies: @iSteveFan
Pat, your linked article has so much to pick at.
Notice the word ‘corralled’. That is about right since these groups were hand picked. Also note that the CNN poll admitted that their sample included 41 percent democrat compared to 26 percent republican. In other words these anecdotes are about as valid as Trump dominating the online polls last night.
I think there is a whole lot variation between Mother T and a T.
She gained 50 pounds! As Miss Universe she has a responsibility and image to uphold. This would be akin to having an baseball player under gaining too much weight which would affect his performance. Physical appearance is important with Miss Universe. Ask yourself if she would have won carrying that weight? Gaining so much weight after winning goes against one’s responsibility in wearing that crown.
A boxing promoter would have every right to condemn his boxer if he got too fat and out of shape. Likewise a beauty pageant guru has the same right.
If he were a stallion you'd lay the house on whatever he has written being the 100% complete opposite of the truth, and come in motherless deadset last. He's no stallion, that's for sure, more like a dead-horse which one must mercilessly flog.
Kudos to Stevo for bringing the facts which can be administered in the ritual beating.
Maybe, but maybe not either. A boxer fights over and over, a beauty pageant contestant only has one "fight" and Miss Machado "won" it, after which she "reigns". In any event, that's ancillary.
There's an obvious danger in picking on women for gaining weight, I've never heard of a politician ever doing it. And it's really bad if she gained 20 lbs and Trump said it was 60, which I'm guessing is entirely possible.Replies: @Jack Hanson, @iSteveFan, @TheJester, @res
Actually it had more to do with her uncontrollable head-bobbing and then later (on 9/11) her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera). It was based on more than a few coughing fits.
Obviously her doctors dosed her up with the right cocktail of meds for last night.Replies: @anony-mouse, @Buck Turgidson
1/ ‘uncontrollable’-looking head-bobbing? I can do that (I can also cough for four minutes).
2/ ‘…her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera…’ Now did she not know that she was on camera? Maybe she did. I can also look wobbly and if there are strong people around I can be lifted into a van.
3/ Odd that those doctors that dosed her up for the debate seem to have been completely absent in the recent past.
4/ She’s going to be making more speeches and have 2 more debates. We’ll see.
Do you? Just for fun? Do you do it when it freaks out the person your talking to?
"I can also look wobbly and if there are strong people around I can be lifted into a van."
And is that the sort of thing a normal person does? Do you do that? Too lazy to walk?
"Odd that those doctors that dosed her up for the debate seem to have been completely absent in the recent past."
Maybe they only became aware of the problem recently - not the underlying problem, but the way it was impairing here. And, of course, she is accompanied by a nurse almost everywhere she goes - has been for the last several months.
You're reaching quite a bit there.
Can you be unable to step off a kerb because of a neurological problem? Soon you will make me sorry about subjecting you to so much well-deserved mockery.
NYT just posted a sob story about her
A little OT: What’s so wrong about Trump saying women should get equal pay if they do equal work? Isn’t that the true definition of “equality?”
And of course the typical woman doesn't care whether "women" get paid the same as "men," she only cares whether she, a woman, will be paid the same as a man would for the same work. Which of course they nearly always do, which is why I doubt this issue resonates much outside the left-wing base.Replies: @AKAHorace, @AnotherDad
I believe the so-called problem is the underlying assumption that the reason “women,” plural, get paid less than “men,” plural, is that they don’t do equal work. Which is obviously true based on both type of job and hours worked, but your’re not supposed to say that.
And of course the typical woman doesn’t care whether “women” get paid the same as “men,” she only cares whether she, a woman, will be paid the same as a man would for the same work. Which of course they nearly always do, which is why I doubt this issue resonates much outside the left-wing base.
The Republicans need to run candidates--ought to be minimum qualification--willing and able to debunk this nonsense--70 cents on the dollar or whatever the current crapola number they are pushing. (In reality women are undoubtedly overpaid relative to men for their labor. The government has provided and caused to be provided all sorts of mostly useless soft jobs for women. Plus there is regulatory and legal pressure to pushing up the promotion and pay of women.)
What feminists want is of course equal pay for *unequal* work. But that's just par for the course, feminism is a give exercise in socialism. It's an attack on the old--very fair and often beautiful--way that women access men's labor, marriage. Feminism is essentially the demand that society must be organized so that men must work to provide for women without women doing anything in return.Replies: @MC
Now Trump seems to have figured this out. At his rally tonight he mentioned that Hillary wanted to increase Obama's Syrian refugee take by 550 percent. He said he had originally stated the number was 500 percent, but the fact checkers told him he was lying. He asked them to explain and they said the real number was 550 percent. The crowd ate it up.
Maybe this is a new strategy Trump will use. Ridicule every little fact check that is used to make Trump seem like a liar so that the public becomes immune to the constant claims of the fact checkers.Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Forbes
I prefer the simpler time when “fact checking” was simply known as “spin”.
Am I supposed to find this shocking? Does Hillary think women should get paid the same as men for doing a worse job than the men?Replies: @Hunsdon, @TheBoom
Everyone deserve a trophy.
Documentary excerpt: When Beauty Queens Go Bad – Alicia Machado
Some light NSFW material.
If Hillary can't even vet the one woman she's going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background--when there were published stories about her!--how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.Replies: @iSteveFan, @Perspective, @Boethiuss, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @AnotherDad, @frankie p, @Corvinus
Indeed, I think it would also be prudent of him to use the NYT story as an example of bias reporting against him.
Uhh, those are just odds and ends in the life of a very busy man. In case you hadn’t noticed, here are a few other things he’s done:
http://www.trump.com/real-estate-portfolio/
If nothing else the guy's probably made the capstone achievement of his life. He leveraged his television fame to start an entirely new career in politics, in his sixties, and managed to get the nomination for President of the United States from a major political party. Even if he loses he's permanently shifted the conversation on trade and immigration.
If he loses, he can go back to Trump Tower and live out his last few decades on his golden throne. Heck, he didn't win the big game, but God, what a life!Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
You can, it seems, still find online the video, and others of the same ilk, if you search her name and “sex video”.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sabaatahir?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EauthorReplies: @iSteveFan, @bomag
Some people are just naturally good at hating.
“One of the requirements for naturalization is good moral character (GMC)” – Vol 12 Part D – CH – 9.
The Daily Mail is on it, as expected. I’m glad they used all caps for MURDER in their article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3810484/Miss-Universe-fat-shamed-Donald-Trump-accused-threatening-kill-judge-accomplice-MURDER-native-Venezuela.html
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUiOuxDsXH/?taken-by=machadooficialReplies: @BucephalusXYZ
Paul McGeough has form: Is there an editor in the house?
If he were a stallion you’d lay the house on whatever he has written being the 100% complete opposite of the truth, and come in motherless deadset last. He’s no stallion, that’s for sure, more like a dead-horse which one must mercilessly flog.
Kudos to Stevo for bringing the facts which can be administered in the ritual beating.
If Hillary can't even vet the one woman she's going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background--when there were published stories about her!--how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.Replies: @iSteveFan, @Perspective, @Boethiuss, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @AnotherDad, @frankie p, @Corvinus
“Trump should jump on this, the one woman Hillary chose as her example in the debate was in fact believed by the cops to be the getaway driver in an attempted murder and then threatened the life of the judge.”
How is that supposed to help DJT? I must have been the only person who didn’t watch the debate so I was under the impression that Trump brought this up on his own accord this morning. Apparently it wasn’t that bad, but still.
I don’t see any way for this to help him, and lots of ways for it to hurt. Among the obvious ones, regurgitating his history with beauty pageants has the possibility of emphasizing his sleazy history with women, and immigration fraud beyond that. Ie, just how did Melania get into the US and what did Trump have to do with it, etc, etc.
To some extent, there’s nothing you can do about it, because the liberals, Democrats and MSM will try to dredge this kind of thing up, but there’s no possibility that anybody is going to vote for Trump because of his association with Alicia Machado.
From what I can see, it’s very unlikely that the debate helped Trump. If we’re lucky, it didn’t hurt either and if it did then not very much. And you can say that the momentum was with Trump before and maybe it will continue.
But if Trump wins, I hope and expect that Mitch McConnell will be lining up the impeachment conviction votes already, well before Jan 20. He is going to need them.
Uh, is it true that Bill has slept with 2,000 women?
I do know that Hillary has personally demonized any who tried to speak about it.
http://www.trump.com/real-estate-portfolio/Replies: @SFG
His portfolio on TV does have a real ‘prole appeal’ to it, though. Which probably helped him in this election as it made him look like more of a man of the people.
If nothing else the guy’s probably made the capstone achievement of his life. He leveraged his television fame to start an entirely new career in politics, in his sixties, and managed to get the nomination for President of the United States from a major political party. Even if he loses he’s permanently shifted the conversation on trade and immigration.
If he loses, he can go back to Trump Tower and live out his last few decades on his golden throne. Heck, he didn’t win the big game, but God, what a life!
I agree in every respect with your comment, but...
I think we give too much credit to politics, spend far too much time picking presidents, too much time observing them, and far too little time learning about what kind of real work other people are doing.
I think building a portfolio of gleaming skyscrapers in major cities, for example, is more impressive than convincing the general public, the whole bell curve of it, to vote for you.
Presidents are important, but so are a lot of other people who actually produce the world in which we live. I don't think George Washington ever imagined or wanted the American People to be so preoccupied with their president or his election. The job is supposed to be limited, and balanced by Congress, to which we pay far too little attention. It would be better if more candidates were people who have achieved substantial things, as Trump has (along with his admittedly proletarian pursuits).
I'm just as caught up in this too, though, and I think it is essential that Trump win -- and that a supporting Congress also be elected as soon as possible. Maybe the fact that this election is so important, that Trump's signature issues are so pressing, is evidence of how far we've wandered from the kind of government we are supposed to have.
Cheers.Replies: @Fascist Frogs, @AnotherDad
The important thing, however, is that Hillary’s buds at the ADL have declared Pepe a Hate Symbol.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2016/09/27/adl-labels-pepe-the-frog-a-hate-symbol/
“A boxing promoter would have every right to condemn his boxer if he got too fat and out of shape. Likewise a beauty pageant guru has the same right.”
Maybe, but maybe not either. A boxer fights over and over, a beauty pageant contestant only has one “fight” and Miss Machado “won” it, after which she “reigns”. In any event, that’s ancillary.
There’s an obvious danger in picking on women for gaining weight, I’ve never heard of a politician ever doing it. And it’s really bad if she gained 20 lbs and Trump said it was 60, which I’m guessing is entirely possible.
Women abhore reality, which is why they spend billions on makeup, breast implants, and face lifts as they try to look 18 the rest of their lives. If you point out they do not look 18, you risk a smack up the side of the head ... you brute! A woman's life is all about illusion. You have to buy into illusion if you want to get along with your wife, partner, girlfriend, or female associate in the workplace. They live in a counterfactual world as defined by feminist apologists and other professional illusionists ... and no, "WE ARE NOT EMOTIONAL!" SMACK!Replies: @Forbes
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9701/29/fringe/miss.universe/But I suppose if it was 59.9 pounds then Trump lied...Replies: @Boethiuss
Steve, they don’t care who they are using as poster children, nor do they have to. NYT is not going to do a follow-on correction story on what a tawdry little specimen Machado actually is. Lester Holt is not going to do a 20/20 docudrama on her real life. Pretty much the only people who will know the truth are we band of brothers reading these blogs. Everyone else will buy the sob story hook line and sinker. This is guerilla warfare, plant a limpet mine on the hull then swim away into the murk after the damage is done. The Machado story has put another hole under Trump’s waterline and she will now be dropped down the memory hole like Khan. That’s the power of owning the megaphone.
Maybe that's why Erdogan and Putin have decided that it's better for them to own the megaphone in their respective countries. Makes you wonder...
Pat is yet another Cruz fan who is absolutely ass mad STILL his boy lost. He’d quote HuffPost if he thought he could get away with it.
Maybe, but maybe not either. A boxer fights over and over, a beauty pageant contestant only has one "fight" and Miss Machado "won" it, after which she "reigns". In any event, that's ancillary.
There's an obvious danger in picking on women for gaining weight, I've never heard of a politician ever doing it. And it's really bad if she gained 20 lbs and Trump said it was 60, which I'm guessing is entirely possible.Replies: @Jack Hanson, @iSteveFan, @TheJester, @res
When you left after people weren’t engaging with your mendacious DOOOOOM talk, with Trump up in the polls, the content of this place improved by like 1000% percent.
I am a little puzzled that Hillary decided to bring this up. Does she need to shore up the vote among the Samantha Bee demographic? That she is in a bigger trouble than I thought.
Yeah, I get it, she wanted to tell the world that Trump was once nasty to a woman (shock! swoon!) Does this kind of thing affect the aggregate female vote though? Hillary’s own husband’s experience suggests no.
I’ll be voting too Mrs. Clinton, and it won’t be for you.
If Hillary can't even vet the one woman she's going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background--when there were published stories about her!--how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.Replies: @iSteveFan, @Perspective, @Boethiuss, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @AnotherDad, @frankie p, @Corvinus
I regret in the Current Year, saying unkind hurtful things about women is a crime worse than murder. Please carry on with the inquisition…
If nothing else the guy's probably made the capstone achievement of his life. He leveraged his television fame to start an entirely new career in politics, in his sixties, and managed to get the nomination for President of the United States from a major political party. Even if he loses he's permanently shifted the conversation on trade and immigration.
If he loses, he can go back to Trump Tower and live out his last few decades on his golden throne. Heck, he didn't win the big game, but God, what a life!Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
I suppose he would see it that way, but I don’t.
I agree in every respect with your comment, but…
I think we give too much credit to politics, spend far too much time picking presidents, too much time observing them, and far too little time learning about what kind of real work other people are doing.
I think building a portfolio of gleaming skyscrapers in major cities, for example, is more impressive than convincing the general public, the whole bell curve of it, to vote for you.
Presidents are important, but so are a lot of other people who actually produce the world in which we live. I don’t think George Washington ever imagined or wanted the American People to be so preoccupied with their president or his election. The job is supposed to be limited, and balanced by Congress, to which we pay far too little attention. It would be better if more candidates were people who have achieved substantial things, as Trump has (along with his admittedly proletarian pursuits).
I’m just as caught up in this too, though, and I think it is essential that Trump win — and that a supporting Congress also be elected as soon as possible. Maybe the fact that this election is so important, that Trump’s signature issues are so pressing, is evidence of how far we’ve wandered from the kind of government we are supposed to have.
Cheers.
But ... power gives power. Those in power--the guys with guns--use it for self-aggrandizement and often do stupid stuff. In the old days the stupid or greedy stuff done by chiefs and kings. But even after we threw them off, it turns out that it is very hard to keep republican control by responsible men. Unfortunately there is this thing called "the left", which always seeks to undermine tradition and republican self-governance and accrue more and more power to the state in order to grab those levers and reorder and "improve" society.
Because "the left" exists, responsible men not only have to do the nation's productive labor and keep the peace, but they also have to pay attention to politics and try and stop the left from grabbing more power and wrecking society in some new fashion.
Politics should not be important ... but it is.
At least with modern media we can fight back a little bit, as opposed to sitting in the dock at a show trial while an ersatz Hillary reads the wrecking charges against our leadership.
Hmmm, she is a dirty little piggy.
Then again, having "unworthy" victims might be kind of the point, since it gives liberals the chance to feel even more virtuous while making conservatives appear like heartless racists in the eyes low-information voters who don't read websites like this one and still think Trayvon Martin was a 10-year-old little scamp who was executed in cold blood by the KKK.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
Actually I don’t know why Trump doesn’t use Soros a perfect example of Clintonian cronyism. Soros is the poster boy for all that is wrong with the establishment, and the fact that he is a contemptible and disgusting human being will help.
I’d be that flogging Soros (the thief, the puppetmaster, the self-interested robber baron) would be worth five points in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio. And worth maybe two in Florida.
Venezuela is a weird place. So not a good idea, btw, for Hillary to scavenge for “binders of women,” during this election…I can’t even!
Full disclosure: My uncle was stabbed in the back (mistaken identity) in Maracaibo in the 70’s. He didn’t tell his wife; while at the hospital; they were amazed how he was fine: his words “blade wasn’t deep enough.” It was a bona fide theft attempt by a desperate person; not ‘deep-state’ stuff.
So, my father’s twin was stabbed, perp thinking he was my dad…who was doing routine boring 4 weeks work for a Venezuelan shipowner. However, in the 70’s, shipowners in the countries outside of Europe and the USA, liked to pay in cash in attache cases just like in James Bond – kid you not. I still use the case when I travel.
It was cray-cray in Venezuela in the late 70’s, just like now. To this day, my aunt has no idea her husband was stabbed and almost died in some obscure hospital in Venezuela! It was Finnish sisu he claimed. I also swore to secrecy at 18 to my uncle and father on a summer’s night, and, now, I have told the world, or whoever reads posts here. My dad did tell my mother about “the incident in Venezuela,” and she probably aged 5 years as a result of that anxiety.
Some light NSFW material.Replies: @Steve Sailer
After thinking about it, I’m going to remove URLs of sex tapes in the comments.
Every body knows that HRC was two years in her mothers womb and that when it was finally shat out it had teeth and hair down to it’s shoulders . Misshapen in body and soul .
Yeah, but it’s obvious what Hillary’s up to — she’s doing her damnedest to gin up the woman vote and win that way.
If Trump can make this election a referendum on the last sixteen years, especially with respect to the economy, foreign policy and immigration, he wins.
If Hillary can get her coalition of the fringes (Copyright Steve Sailer) — but especially women — out in a tidal wave, she wins.
It’s a contest between those who notice things versus those who feelz.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3810484/Miss-Universe-fat-shamed-Donald-Trump-accused-threatening-kill-judge-accomplice-MURDER-native-Venezuela.htmlReplies: @Jim Don Bob, @BucephalusXYZ
Yeah, where is the the US version of the Daily Mail? Just another case of foreigners doing jobs Americans won’t do.
Wikipedia has just scrubbed its paragraphs on the arrests in Venezuela, and the link to the AP and Daily Mail sources.
Kayleigh McEnany,who hinted at the scandals on CNN, is being given the deplorable treatment.Replies: @jon
Yeah, I get it, she wanted to tell the world that Trump was once nasty to a woman (shock! swoon!) Does this kind of thing affect the aggregate female vote though? Hillary's own husband's experience suggests no.Replies: @celt darnell
Depends how it’s done. Most heterosexual women (Hillary has the dyke vote) have had some man in their lives who seriously p*ssed them off — and not in the “bad boy” sense (although the phrase hell hath no fury like a woman scorned should be borne in mind even here).
Guys who told them they were “fat” for example. Jerk bosses and the like.
She’s playing to generalized female resentment and yes, it’s out there.
I think Trump can win by making this contest a referendum on the last sixteen years — especially with respect to the economy, foreign policy and immigration.
Hillary needs to prevent this and in terms of tactics, I thought the shrew was shrewd last night.
Not shrewd enough, hopefully.
I heard Hillary clawed and bit her way out of her mother’s womb, a la the chestburster in Aliens.
Does Miss Machado live in the US? Does she plan to? Has she ever lived i the US? Seems to me that if she’s going to be a US citizen, she should. Not that I want her to.
Pass my other posts you dog !
Every time I read one of these “rest of the story” Steve posts,I wish anew that the Great Helmsman had a page one NYT column 5 days a week (Mon thru Thur,and Sunday,natch) with which to shove this truth right in their stupid faces! GAAAAAAAAA!!!
How is that supposed to help DJT? I must have been the only person who didn't watch the debate so I was under the impression that Trump brought this up on his own accord this morning. Apparently it wasn't that bad, but still.
I don't see any way for this to help him, and lots of ways for it to hurt. Among the obvious ones, regurgitating his history with beauty pageants has the possibility of emphasizing his sleazy history with women, and immigration fraud beyond that. Ie, just how did Melania get into the US and what did Trump have to do with it, etc, etc.
To some extent, there's nothing you can do about it, because the liberals, Democrats and MSM will try to dredge this kind of thing up, but there's no possibility that anybody is going to vote for Trump because of his association with Alicia Machado.
From what I can see, it's very unlikely that the debate helped Trump. If we're lucky, it didn't hurt either and if it did then not very much. And you can say that the momentum was with Trump before and maybe it will continue.
But if Trump wins, I hope and expect that Mitch McConnell will be lining up the impeachment conviction votes already, well before Jan 20. He is going to need them.Replies: @Lagertha
oh, pleez, Mitch is gonna think about his grandchildren’s future and opt for what Ted realized: this is an existential crisis…kinda’ more for the Republicans than for the Democrats that are still in an epic fog with this.
Melania was a model, became a popular, top model along with about 20-30 European and American teens/women in the 90’s. I worked/lived with models, designers and photographers in the late 80’s-90’s, so I know this. All “power” guys in NYC wanted to hang out with models, artists, musicians, “personalities,” in lower Manhattan back in the day. Donald was one of many captivated with beautiful women. Did you not see ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ or ‘Wall Street’ or any of Woody Allen’s movies over the ole’ Beauty and the Beast’ thing?
Right, and that crisis could be successfully resolved by electing Trump and then having Pence actually perform the duties of office.
"Melania was a model, became a popular, top model along with about 20-30 European and American teens/women in the 90′s. I worked/lived with models, designers and photographers in the late 80′s-90′s, so I know this. All “power” guys in NYC wanted to hang out with models, artists, musicians, “personalities,” in lower Manhattan back in the day. Donald was one of many captivated with beautiful women. Did you not see ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ or ‘Wall Street’ or any of Woody Allen’s movies over the ole’ Beauty and the Beast’ thing?"
And so what? Was Donald pimping her out, by herself or with other women he procured through modeling/beauty pageant connections? Did she enter the country legally? And do we really want to know the answer to these questions?Replies: @Lagertha
Right, and that crisis could be successfully resolved by electing Trump and then having Pence actually perform the duties of office.
"Melania was a model, became a popular, top model along with about 20-30 European and American teens/women in the 90′s. I worked/lived with models, designers and photographers in the late 80′s-90′s, so I know this. All “power” guys in NYC wanted to hang out with models, artists, musicians, “personalities,” in lower Manhattan back in the day. Donald was one of many captivated with beautiful women. Did you not see ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ or ‘Wall Street’ or any of Woody Allen’s movies over the ole’ Beauty and the Beast’ thing?"
And so what? Was Donald pimping her out, by herself or with other women he procured through modeling/beauty pageant connections? Did she enter the country legally? And do we really want to know the answer to these questions?Replies: @Lagertha
I am well-acquainted with a number of "Masters of the Universe" type men due to college acquaintances, my own (very brief) prior career in financial services as well as later dealings with them when my wife and I sold a business we founded. These men all "hung out" with models, but not a single one married a model.Replies: @Lagertha, @candid_observer
Good idea, Steve. Civility is always the best course.
It seems the only source of the housekeeping and miss piggy quotes is machado herself, an active Clinton supporter and a woman of ill repute. At least, that’s what the Mail article conveys to me.
Literally “he was mean to a girl so vote for me”. Hillary must not think much of her base. This is what happens when you let women vote.
Of course they don’t. Trump should’ve have denied saying this, he should’ve agreed and amplified.
Lol!
"Hillary must not think much of her base."
No and why should she? They don't think much, if at all.
"This is what happens when you let women vote."
Exactly. And thanks to that major mistake made by men, I have to go against my principles by going to vote. Because the lesser of two evils is my casting a vote that cancels out the vote of some leftwing woman.
Maybe, but maybe not either. A boxer fights over and over, a beauty pageant contestant only has one "fight" and Miss Machado "won" it, after which she "reigns". In any event, that's ancillary.
There's an obvious danger in picking on women for gaining weight, I've never heard of a politician ever doing it. And it's really bad if she gained 20 lbs and Trump said it was 60, which I'm guessing is entirely possible.Replies: @Jack Hanson, @iSteveFan, @TheJester, @res
And during her reign she can lose her title if she fails to live up to their standards. Vanessa Williams was pressured to resign as Miss America when nude photos of her came out. So I see nothing wrong with ensuring Miss Universe maintains her physique.
Yeah, but those were nude pictures, lesbian porn if I remember right.
In any event, can't you appreciate that there could be a large number of voters, women presumably though conceivably men as well, who are very defensive about their weight, and will take offense at Trump gratuitously trashing someone over it. And if that doesn't happen that there is no corresponding upside at all.Replies: @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad
This is not a good comparison. You assume the left and the right are equally morally valid. They aren’t.
The left believes in things like equality, the right is for natural order or better. Leftist leaders should be defeated at all costs, no matter who they are, even if they aren’t true believers like their followers.
Apparently CNN noticed her weight gain too in January 1997:
Will CNN apologize?
While this is mildly interesting, it doesn’t have much relevance to the campaign. The damage is done and a fuller view of Machado won’t help Trump any more than a fuller view of Khan did.
Part of the reason is that Trump’s comments are “bad” regardless of Machado’s life story. She hadn’t been a murderess or adulteress when Trump attacked her, and he attacked her for unrelated reasons. Likewise, Khan’s son died fighting for the US regardless of how despicable Khan is. Hillary can weather these problems easily because she didn’t endorse either.
My guess is that what the situation really reveals about Trump is not that he fat-shames women but that he uses insults against people he perceives to be hurting him. By gaining weight, Machado was undermining the contest brand. I’m sure this was Trump’s concern, not a girl gaining weight.
What he ought to do is embrace his insults. If he frames her as an incompetent employee, it plays into the “crazy and vulgar is part of the plan” meme.
People get the dictator they deserve.
Here is the original CNN article from January 29, 1997, entitled “Expanding Miss Universe Works to Shed Pounds”.
This excerpt shows CNN had fun with her weight gain. They don’t sound as sympathetic as they do today.
This excerpt shows others were noticing too. Possibly Kellogg might not have renewed her contract over this.
This is a great excerpt. Trump decided to work with her and not force her to give up the crown. This sounds quite reasonable.
Finally, Trump pokes some fun at the media about their weight. Maybe this was done to help make Alicia feel better, or to put some in their place for having made fun of her.
“oh, pleez, Mitch is gonna think about his grandchildren’s future and opt for what Ted realized: this is an existential crisis…kinda’ more for the Republicans than for the Democrats that are still in an epic fog with this.”
Right, and that crisis could be successfully resolved by electing Trump and then having Pence actually perform the duties of office.
“Melania was a model, became a popular, top model along with about 20-30 European and American teens/women in the 90′s. I worked/lived with models, designers and photographers in the late 80′s-90′s, so I know this. All “power” guys in NYC wanted to hang out with models, artists, musicians, “personalities,” in lower Manhattan back in the day. Donald was one of many captivated with beautiful women. Did you not see ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ or ‘Wall Street’ or any of Woody Allen’s movies over the ole’ Beauty and the Beast’ thing?”
And so what? Was Donald pimping her out, by herself or with other women he procured through modeling/beauty pageant connections? Did she enter the country legally? And do we really want to know the answer to these questions?
And of course the typical woman doesn't care whether "women" get paid the same as "men," she only cares whether she, a woman, will be paid the same as a man would for the same work. Which of course they nearly always do, which is why I doubt this issue resonates much outside the left-wing base.Replies: @AKAHorace, @AnotherDad
When the question of getting paid is raised a lot of people become left wing.
On an unrelated note, for all the criticism that I am reading here about Miss Machado, I grew up in the 1980s and was in love with Miss Piggy. Perhaps mysogynist commentators will spew anti womyn venom here and accuse me of white knighting, but some one has to defend slightly pudgy Venezualan beauty contest winners, even if they don’t look anything like slutty Slovenians who don’t have the self respect to vote Democrat.
OT:
For the longest time, commenters have been complaining about “trolls”, and I’ve now added a “Troll” button to the Agree/Disagree set, allowing such accusations without wasting the space of a regular comment. You can also use it against particularly badly-behaved commenters.
Depending upon how the experiment goes, I may decide to take action against commenters who accumulate too many Troll accusations from longstanding and respectable participants. Punishment might included defaulting them to the “Ignore” list, either temporarily as a warning or on a longer term basis.
Obviously, this sort of thing won’t work if trolls can just change their identities, so I’m finally cracking down on the use of multiple handles, which I’ve been fulminating against for the last couple of years.
All this is discussed in greater detail in my most recent Announcements:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/improving-comment-threads/
https://www.unz.com/announcement/over-one-million-comments-but-some-badly-behaving-commenters/
Whatever you do be proud of that.
I write maaaaaybe 5 comments on the days I’m here, I was gone for like 5 days. Jackass.
2/ '...her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera...' Now did she not know that she was on camera? Maybe she did. I can also look wobbly and if there are strong people around I can be lifted into a van.
3/ Odd that those doctors that dosed her up for the debate seem to have been completely absent in the recent past.
4/ She's going to be making more speeches and have 2 more debates. We'll see.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @5371
“1/ ‘uncontrollable’-looking head-bobbing? I can do that”
Do you? Just for fun? Do you do it when it freaks out the person your talking to?
“I can also look wobbly and if there are strong people around I can be lifted into a van.”
And is that the sort of thing a normal person does? Do you do that? Too lazy to walk?
“Odd that those doctors that dosed her up for the debate seem to have been completely absent in the recent past.”
Maybe they only became aware of the problem recently – not the underlying problem, but the way it was impairing here. And, of course, she is accompanied by a nurse almost everywhere she goes – has been for the last several months.
You’re reaching quite a bit there.
2/ '...her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera...' Now did she not know that she was on camera? Maybe she did. I can also look wobbly and if there are strong people around I can be lifted into a van.
3/ Odd that those doctors that dosed her up for the debate seem to have been completely absent in the recent past.
4/ She's going to be making more speeches and have 2 more debates. We'll see.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @5371
[I can also look wobbly and if there are strong people around I can be lifted into a van.]
Can you be unable to step off a kerb because of a neurological problem? Soon you will make me sorry about subjecting you to so much well-deserved mockery.
Well it looks like Hillary has the fat whore ex-girlfriends of Narcoterrorist drug lords vote locked up. Now that she mentioned her by name, what are the odds she’ll end up having sex with Bubba? Tell us what the line in Vegas is on this Steve, this could be easy money right here.
Is she really a porn star as has been reported in several places or is that someone else using her name? https://goo.gl/mP9DFP
“And during her reign she can lose her title if she fails to live up to their standards. Vanessa Williams was pressured to resign as Miss America when nude photos of her came out. So I see nothing wrong with ensuring Miss Universe maintains her physique.”
Yeah, but those were nude pictures, lesbian porn if I remember right.
In any event, can’t you appreciate that there could be a large number of voters, women presumably though conceivably men as well, who are very defensive about their weight, and will take offense at Trump gratuitously trashing someone over it. And if that doesn’t happen that there is no corresponding upside at all.
What is a URL ? Sex tapes ? Are your fans posting sex tapes ? WTF?
I hope this was a joke. I’ve never heard of this writer (Leitch), so maybe I am missing the sarcasm – does he really have to have it pointed out to him that a man may not handle it well if his wife is sleeping around on him on national TV? Does he think only Latin men don’t handle this well?
“oh, pleez, Mitch is gonna think about his grandchildren’s future and opt for what Ted realized: this is an existential crisis…kinda’ more for the Republicans than for the Democrats that are still in an epic fog with this.”
Right, and that crisis could be successfully resolved by electing Trump and then having Pence actually perform the duties of office.
“Melania was a model, became a popular, top model along with about 20-30 European and American teens/women in the 90′s. I worked/lived with models, designers and photographers in the late 80′s-90′s, so I know this. All “power” guys in NYC wanted to hang out with models, artists, musicians, “personalities,” in lower Manhattan back in the day. Donald was one of many captivated with beautiful women. Did you not see ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ or ‘Wall Street’ or any of Woody Allen’s movies over the ole’ Beauty and the Beast’ thing?”
And so what? Was Donald pimping her out, by herself or with other women he procured through modeling/beauty pageant connections? Did she enter the country legally? And do we really want to know the answer to these questions?
Not a mention of her chequered past anywhere. You have to move to Drudge to find a link to the Daily Mail article.
Wikipedia has just scrubbed its paragraphs on the arrests in Venezuela, and the link to the AP and Daily Mail sources.
Kayleigh McEnany,who hinted at the scandals on CNN, is being given the deplorable treatment.
Yeah, but those were nude pictures, lesbian porn if I remember right.
In any event, can't you appreciate that there could be a large number of voters, women presumably though conceivably men as well, who are very defensive about their weight, and will take offense at Trump gratuitously trashing someone over it. And if that doesn't happen that there is no corresponding upside at all.Replies: @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad
Read my link in Post 75 above. It shows how CNN made fun of this gal back in 1997. And it shows Trump actually worked with her and did not take her crown.
I hope that was from 20 years ago at least and not yesterday. And with any luck at all that won't appreciably hurt anything. But in any event, the way Trump has handled it has no upside at all.
Obviously Trump has his history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness. But it would be nice if he could show a pivot to substantive or at least interesting.Replies: @Johnny789, @AKAHorace, @candid_observer, @eah
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3810484/Miss-Universe-fat-shamed-Donald-Trump-accused-threatening-kill-judge-accomplice-MURDER-native-Venezuela.htmlReplies: @Jim Don Bob, @BucephalusXYZ
Check out the photo captioned “Campaign tool”.
Here is the original link:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUiOuxDsXH/?taken-by=machadooficial
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUZheIj_Zg/?taken-by=machadooficial
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUNUiOD9_N/?taken-by=machadooficial
(This one is a brief video.)
Did Hillary really see these?Replies: @BucephalusXYZ
For the longest time, commenters have been complaining about "trolls", and I've now added a "Troll" button to the Agree/Disagree set, allowing such accusations without wasting the space of a regular comment. You can also use it against particularly badly-behaved commenters.
Depending upon how the experiment goes, I may decide to take action against commenters who accumulate too many Troll accusations from longstanding and respectable participants. Punishment might included defaulting them to the "Ignore" list, either temporarily as a warning or on a longer term basis.
Obviously, this sort of thing won't work if trolls can just change their identities, so I'm finally cracking down on the use of multiple handles, which I've been fulminating against for the last couple of years.
All this is discussed in greater detail in my most recent Announcements:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/improving-comment-threads/
https://www.unz.com/announcement/over-one-million-comments-but-some-badly-behaving-commenters/Replies: @AKAHorace, @David G, @Harry Baldwin
This place is not my responsibility, but I think that you have created a Hyde Park of the Internet.
Whatever you do be proud of that.
For the longest time, commenters have been complaining about "trolls", and I've now added a "Troll" button to the Agree/Disagree set, allowing such accusations without wasting the space of a regular comment. You can also use it against particularly badly-behaved commenters.
Depending upon how the experiment goes, I may decide to take action against commenters who accumulate too many Troll accusations from longstanding and respectable participants. Punishment might included defaulting them to the "Ignore" list, either temporarily as a warning or on a longer term basis.
Obviously, this sort of thing won't work if trolls can just change their identities, so I'm finally cracking down on the use of multiple handles, which I've been fulminating against for the last couple of years.
All this is discussed in greater detail in my most recent Announcements:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/improving-comment-threads/
https://www.unz.com/announcement/over-one-million-comments-but-some-badly-behaving-commenters/Replies: @AKAHorace, @David G, @Harry Baldwin
Great job Mr. Unz. Another request: a blue button below each post to jump to the bottom of the page. (Sometimes it’s easier to read just the comments backwards when I’ve forgotten where in the middle I’ve last stopped.)
Yes to this. When I come back to a page that's "put on comment weight" since my last visit I tend to scroll from the bottom up.I've got quite adept at spotting certain people's comment style before their name appears at the top of the screen.Replies: @Ron Unz
For the longest time, commenters have been complaining about "trolls", and I've now added a "Troll" button to the Agree/Disagree set, allowing such accusations without wasting the space of a regular comment. You can also use it against particularly badly-behaved commenters.
Depending upon how the experiment goes, I may decide to take action against commenters who accumulate too many Troll accusations from longstanding and respectable participants. Punishment might included defaulting them to the "Ignore" list, either temporarily as a warning or on a longer term basis.
Obviously, this sort of thing won't work if trolls can just change their identities, so I'm finally cracking down on the use of multiple handles, which I've been fulminating against for the last couple of years.
All this is discussed in greater detail in my most recent Announcements:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/improving-comment-threads/
https://www.unz.com/announcement/over-one-million-comments-but-some-badly-behaving-commenters/Replies: @AKAHorace, @David G, @Harry Baldwin
Thank you, sir!
Re Machado’s weight gain, there’s this on a BBC article from back in the day:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/50862.stm
I wonder how many women who are sensitive about their weight and struggle to maintain it are going to have a lot of sympathy with a woman who just decides one day she’s going to “eat, eat, and eat” and then gets shamed because she turns (such a surprise) fat as Miss Piggy?
Because that stuff is personal.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUiOuxDsXH/?taken-by=machadooficialReplies: @BucephalusXYZ
Also the next two on her instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUZheIj_Zg/?taken-by=machadooficial
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUNUiOD9_N/?taken-by=machadooficial
(This one is a brief video.)
Did Hillary really see these?
First, Hillary's entire "public life" is grounded in being married to a man who is a straight-up lech. He pretends to try to hide it, but he knows perfectly well that it was crucial to his success. Insofar as Bill had the ability to connect with the non-elite man, the barely hidden fact that he "likes women" seems crucial. He seems to be pretty good at it. He is probably better at "scoring" women than Donald. Donald actually has standards. They are somewhat simplistic, it seems, and much of Donald's success with women seems grounded in his actual ability (a very real ability, if not as great as he portrays it) to earn money and be a "real" man. Bill is probably better at directly getting the "p". (Maybe I should have posted this at Vox Day- delete the Alicia Machado porn urls's by all means - they are easily found - but I am drinking and posting anonymously).
I think there was a second point, but - and while I agree with much of Ron's recent post on maintaining a consistent identity and all that - in vino veritas.Replies: @Jack Highlands
Ok, I read it. But CNN didn’t call her Miss Piggy or Miss Housekeeping.
I hope that was from 20 years ago at least and not yesterday. And with any luck at all that won’t appreciably hurt anything. But in any event, the way Trump has handled it has no upside at all.
Obviously Trump has his history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness. But it would be nice if he could show a pivot to substantive or at least interesting.
Ann Coulter retweeted our estimed host!!
Women generally find it hard to sympathize with beauty queens & models. We may want to look like models ourselves, but we sure as heck don’t want other women to!
When you type in her name at duckduckgo, one of the search suggestions is “video la granja,” which apparently translates to “The Farm.” Don’t think I will be watching that one.
Plenty of Americans are willing to fornicate on camera
I hope that was from 20 years ago at least and not yesterday. And with any luck at all that won't appreciably hurt anything. But in any event, the way Trump has handled it has no upside at all.
Obviously Trump has his history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness. But it would be nice if he could show a pivot to substantive or at least interesting.Replies: @Johnny789, @AKAHorace, @candid_observer, @eah
Thank you so very much. Your concerns are more layered than a Dobos Torte.
Really? There's only two of them that I can see.
1. His stupidity and vulgarity will keep him from being elected, thereby paving the way for Hillary Clinton.
2. His stupidity, ignorance, and erratic behavior will prevent him from helping America if he is elected.
Hope that's not too many pancakes for you to digest.Replies: @Johnny789, @Anonymous, @Johnny789
You should post the long Spanish language and English subtitled ad they made featuring Miss Machado. It’s pretty funny:
I hope that was from 20 years ago at least and not yesterday. And with any luck at all that won't appreciably hurt anything. But in any event, the way Trump has handled it has no upside at all.
Obviously Trump has his history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness. But it would be nice if he could show a pivot to substantive or at least interesting.Replies: @Johnny789, @AKAHorace, @candid_observer, @eah
Perhaps Trump could point out that there is something wrong with your country when a guy who judged beauty contests has a clearer view of what is wrong with the Republic than someone who is the wife of an ex-President and secretary of state.
I hope that was from 20 years ago at least and not yesterday. And with any luck at all that won't appreciably hurt anything. But in any event, the way Trump has handled it has no upside at all.
Obviously Trump has his history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness. But it would be nice if he could show a pivot to substantive or at least interesting.Replies: @Johnny789, @AKAHorace, @candid_observer, @eah
And do we have anything other than Machado’s own word to support the claim that Trump said these things?
Because, you know, the value of her word is tanking on the prediction market.
Because we know already from what he's said in public that it sounds like him, therefore it gets credibility whether he said it or not.
Right, and that crisis could be successfully resolved by electing Trump and then having Pence actually perform the duties of office.
"Melania was a model, became a popular, top model along with about 20-30 European and American teens/women in the 90′s. I worked/lived with models, designers and photographers in the late 80′s-90′s, so I know this. All “power” guys in NYC wanted to hang out with models, artists, musicians, “personalities,” in lower Manhattan back in the day. Donald was one of many captivated with beautiful women. Did you not see ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ or ‘Wall Street’ or any of Woody Allen’s movies over the ole’ Beauty and the Beast’ thing?"
And so what? Was Donald pimping her out, by herself or with other women he procured through modeling/beauty pageant connections? Did she enter the country legally? And do we really want to know the answer to these questions?Replies: @Lagertha
you are such a moron. Modeling is the gold standard in earning a living because of your beauty – pageants are total bull; for “farm” girls and nobodies. You obviously don’t realize that models can be multimillionaires.
Trump met Melania like most people meet: through events/parties through friends. Models in NYC are ubiquitous at all the major charity events/art openings throughout the year. The fashion business is a multi-billion dollar business in New York, Paris, Italy and London…in that order. I’m guessing you never saw, “The Devil Wears Prada?”
Plus, in this election, nobody gives a sh*t about models or beauty pageant contestants…now, if you raped one of them, like Bill may have, well, than that is fair game. That’s why it is wise for Hillary to stop giving life to beauty queens – they might just have blown her husband in the crazy 80’s.
What does this have to do with anything? Whatever it is, it's stupid anyway because most models are broke, just like most musicians and chefs are, though there are a few who make millions.
It's not point anyway. Is anybody going to actually be surprised if DJT is basically
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2656445/I-felt-d-pressing-face-Controversial-photographer-Terry-Richardson-faces-ANOTHER-sexual-assault-accusation.html
this guy with a coat and tie instead of a plaid shirt. Of course not. So whatever he did, he needs to talk about what's in our interest. People are going to vote for him (or not) based whether they believe he's going to help them, or their children, or the people they care about. They're not going to give a shit about Donald Trump, so there's no point in talking about why this or that part of his career was so great.
I have to say, I’m loving this Machado thing.
What a nightmare for Hillary, her campaign, and all her media supporters, especially the always idiot NY Times.
How could they have been, in their full aggregate, so utterly incompetent? Not one person caught this stuff before they launched the story?
It’s going to be hard for the Megaphone to show its face in public anymore.
I watched an interview with this woman for about 3 minutes and had to stop because I found her trashy and obnoxious. I don’t think getting her support is going to do anything for Hillary Clinton.
On the other hand, it is NEVER a good idea for a candidate to get into a firefight with the opponent’s PROXY. If Trump and Machado end up throwing mud at each other, only Clinton will emerge without mud.*
*Yes, yes, yes, I recognize that the mainstream media give a lot of airtime to Clinton proxies while giving little to none to Trump proxies.
I agree in every respect with your comment, but...
I think we give too much credit to politics, spend far too much time picking presidents, too much time observing them, and far too little time learning about what kind of real work other people are doing.
I think building a portfolio of gleaming skyscrapers in major cities, for example, is more impressive than convincing the general public, the whole bell curve of it, to vote for you.
Presidents are important, but so are a lot of other people who actually produce the world in which we live. I don't think George Washington ever imagined or wanted the American People to be so preoccupied with their president or his election. The job is supposed to be limited, and balanced by Congress, to which we pay far too little attention. It would be better if more candidates were people who have achieved substantial things, as Trump has (along with his admittedly proletarian pursuits).
I'm just as caught up in this too, though, and I think it is essential that Trump win -- and that a supporting Congress also be elected as soon as possible. Maybe the fact that this election is so important, that Trump's signature issues are so pressing, is evidence of how far we've wandered from the kind of government we are supposed to have.
Cheers.Replies: @Fascist Frogs, @AnotherDad
Even if it is a pipe dream, I think it would be interesting if the states returned the power to select the electors of the Electoral College back to their state legislatures as opposed to the people. We would not have to have this draining spectacle every four years, and we might give more focus to our state elections which can focus on local issues better. I am finding it hard, though, to think of any viable ways to get people to shift focus to their local civic lives, which I believe to be much less polarizing than cut throat national politics.
Did they want to “hang out” with models or do something else with them?
I am well-acquainted with a number of “Masters of the Universe” type men due to college acquaintances, my own (very brief) prior career in financial services as well as later dealings with them when my wife and I sold a business we founded. These men all “hung out” with models, but not a single one married a model.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUZheIj_Zg/?taken-by=machadooficial
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKUNUiOD9_N/?taken-by=machadooficial
(This one is a brief video.)
Did Hillary really see these?Replies: @BucephalusXYZ
I think there are some substantive points here:
First, Hillary’s entire “public life” is grounded in being married to a man who is a straight-up lech. He pretends to try to hide it, but he knows perfectly well that it was crucial to his success. Insofar as Bill had the ability to connect with the non-elite man, the barely hidden fact that he “likes women” seems crucial. He seems to be pretty good at it. He is probably better at “scoring” women than Donald. Donald actually has standards. They are somewhat simplistic, it seems, and much of Donald’s success with women seems grounded in his actual ability (a very real ability, if not as great as he portrays it) to earn money and be a “real” man. Bill is probably better at directly getting the “p”. (Maybe I should have posted this at Vox Day- delete the Alicia Machado porn urls’s by all means – they are easily found – but I am drinking and posting anonymously).
I think there was a second point, but – and while I agree with much of Ron’s recent post on maintaining a consistent identity and all that – in vino veritas.
And of course the typical woman doesn't care whether "women" get paid the same as "men," she only cares whether she, a woman, will be paid the same as a man would for the same work. Which of course they nearly always do, which is why I doubt this issue resonates much outside the left-wing base.Replies: @AKAHorace, @AnotherDad
The problem is that a lot of women–especially young women–don’t know what you just said. I’ve had to explain it to several young women including my niece. They’ve been propagandized by Democrat “talking points”–i.e. lies–so think there’s all this “sexism” out there cheating women.
The Republicans need to run candidates–ought to be minimum qualification–willing and able to debunk this nonsense–70 cents on the dollar or whatever the current crapola number they are pushing. (In reality women are undoubtedly overpaid relative to men for their labor. The government has provided and caused to be provided all sorts of mostly useless soft jobs for women. Plus there is regulatory and legal pressure to pushing up the promotion and pay of women.)
What feminists want is of course equal pay for *unequal* work. But that’s just par for the course, feminism is a give exercise in socialism. It’s an attack on the old–very fair and often beautiful–way that women access men’s labor, marriage. Feminism is essentially the demand that society must be organized so that men must work to provide for women without women doing anything in return.
Or do they just assume that pay discrimination happens in every workplace except the ones they've worked in?
Right, and that crisis could be successfully resolved by electing Trump and then having Pence actually perform the duties of office.
"Melania was a model, became a popular, top model along with about 20-30 European and American teens/women in the 90′s. I worked/lived with models, designers and photographers in the late 80′s-90′s, so I know this. All “power” guys in NYC wanted to hang out with models, artists, musicians, “personalities,” in lower Manhattan back in the day. Donald was one of many captivated with beautiful women. Did you not see ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ or ‘Wall Street’ or any of Woody Allen’s movies over the ole’ Beauty and the Beast’ thing?"
And so what? Was Donald pimping her out, by herself or with other women he procured through modeling/beauty pageant connections? Did she enter the country legally? And do we really want to know the answer to these questions?Replies: @Lagertha
scroll down to #96.
I’m too tired to respond to another b*tch tonight. Go home to your hand tonight and leave us the eff alone. Reply to my posts only when you have facts – or just “keep out.” I can’t suffer anymore manginas tonight.
1/ Expectations game-Just getting through a debate without collapsing is not much of an accomplishment. But thanks to comments from the Trump campaign (and people here) she turned it into one.
2/ Trump supporters are stoopid-Given how much the Trump campaign has taken pride in the support of the less educated watching them get Hillary's health situation clearly wrong makes Clinton and her supporters look smart.
3/ Trump sniffles so he must be on cocaine- Its hard for Trump supporters to object to this claim. After all they were pretty loud in claiming Clinton was dying based on little more. Watch in the future for other such claims against Trump.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @ATX Hipster
No, it would make them look insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ZM58O_gBoReplies: @BucephalusXYZ
Dude, we are not the same Anonymous, but I like your work.
I am well-acquainted with a number of "Masters of the Universe" type men due to college acquaintances, my own (very brief) prior career in financial services as well as later dealings with them when my wife and I sold a business we founded. These men all "hung out" with models, but not a single one married a model.Replies: @Lagertha, @candid_observer
“hanging out” is the ‘same as it ever was’. I know many models who married the MOTU type, but also other entrepreneurs like restaurant owners/hotel developers, rockers, painters, chefs. I am very close friends with several former models. Only one was a ‘cover’ model for Vogue – meaning, big time. All the models I am friends with are now in their 40’s-50’s. Many are very shrewd business women who parlayed their modeling money into all kinds of empires. They are not dummies: whether from Europe, Africa, Asia or New Jersey!
I resent people insinuating that Melania is a Bimbo. She was a top model. She was a favorite for the Italian designers, and she came to NYC (center of the modeling world) in the 90’s since more designers wanted to have her present their couture…and, NYC in the 90’s was the center for fashion. And, agencies then started scouring the world for “unknowns” to bring back to NYC. Sports Illustrated Swim Suit issue was a big venue for ingenues. Giselle was “discovered” in Brazil, for instance.
I hope that was from 20 years ago at least and not yesterday. And with any luck at all that won't appreciably hurt anything. But in any event, the way Trump has handled it has no upside at all.
Obviously Trump has his history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness. But it would be nice if he could show a pivot to substantive or at least interesting.Replies: @Johnny789, @AKAHorace, @candid_observer, @eah
Obviously Trump has his history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness.
Iow, he’s a normal American male, including in his view of overweight women (hint: they’re unattractive) — get over it — the alternative is HRC in the White House (how much longer will that name last?) — is Trump’s “history of vulgarity and obnoxiousness” worse than that prospect?
But it would be nice if he could show a pivot to substantive or at least interesting.
Go back and listen to Trump’s speech on immigration after his trip to Mexico — is that “substantive” enough for you? — you should be blaming HRC and the media for allowing this and other petty bullshit to take center stage at the “debate”.
Absolutely it was. Unfortunately that was a month ago or something so he has to do something else of that nature to remind the voters.
The reason that kind of thing gets brought up is because _Trump_ keeps it alive. I mean, Rafael Cruz and JFK, the NFL and debates, the Khans, so many of his gaffes are completely unforced errors.Replies: @Mr. Anon
I am well-acquainted with a number of "Masters of the Universe" type men due to college acquaintances, my own (very brief) prior career in financial services as well as later dealings with them when my wife and I sold a business we founded. These men all "hung out" with models, but not a single one married a model.Replies: @Lagertha, @candid_observer
Well, you’re probably right that Trump himself shouldn’t get too much directly involved in the Machado business, though he probably needs to say some words in denial of what Machado has been saying about him.
But I don’t see this story dying, as much as the media would want it to, because it’s just so juicy. And Trump’s people have to get out the counter-narrative about it. It will serve to undermine Clinton herself: she went out in the debate with Machado’s name and story, and her doing so gives the story power and salience. She can’t just pretend that Machado’s narrative isn’t her baby. She was trying to score points against Trump with it. She has to defend it, or deal with it in some way.
And, thing is, there is no good way for Hillary to deal with it. Which is why it must be leaned on hard by Trump’s campaign.
Wikipedia has just scrubbed its paragraphs on the arrests in Venezuela, and the link to the AP and Daily Mail sources.
Kayleigh McEnany,who hinted at the scandals on CNN, is being given the deplorable treatment.Replies: @jon
That’s why you always have to check what’s behind the “Talk” tab. Of course, even that gets scrubbed eventually.
I knew wiki was a nest of vipers from peripheral conversations. This was the first time I witnessed it in real time.
I agree in every respect with your comment, but...
I think we give too much credit to politics, spend far too much time picking presidents, too much time observing them, and far too little time learning about what kind of real work other people are doing.
I think building a portfolio of gleaming skyscrapers in major cities, for example, is more impressive than convincing the general public, the whole bell curve of it, to vote for you.
Presidents are important, but so are a lot of other people who actually produce the world in which we live. I don't think George Washington ever imagined or wanted the American People to be so preoccupied with their president or his election. The job is supposed to be limited, and balanced by Congress, to which we pay far too little attention. It would be better if more candidates were people who have achieved substantial things, as Trump has (along with his admittedly proletarian pursuits).
I'm just as caught up in this too, though, and I think it is essential that Trump win -- and that a supporting Congress also be elected as soon as possible. Maybe the fact that this election is so important, that Trump's signature issues are so pressing, is evidence of how far we've wandered from the kind of government we are supposed to have.
Cheers.Replies: @Fascist Frogs, @AnotherDad
Buzz, i 100% agree with your sentiments–as sentiment. That’s how things *ought* to be. In a well functioning republic things ought to continue generally function as they have been functioning, with self-reliant responsible men calling the shots and occasionally tweaking public affairs to address some problem.
But … power gives power. Those in power–the guys with guns–use it for self-aggrandizement and often do stupid stuff. In the old days the stupid or greedy stuff done by chiefs and kings. But even after we threw them off, it turns out that it is very hard to keep republican control by responsible men. Unfortunately there is this thing called “the left”, which always seeks to undermine tradition and republican self-governance and accrue more and more power to the state in order to grab those levers and reorder and “improve” society.
Because “the left” exists, responsible men not only have to do the nation’s productive labor and keep the peace, but they also have to pay attention to politics and try and stop the left from grabbing more power and wrecking society in some new fashion.
Politics should not be important … but it is.
“Literally ‘he was mean to a girl so vote for me’.”
Lol!
“Hillary must not think much of her base.”
No and why should she? They don’t think much, if at all.
“This is what happens when you let women vote.”
Exactly. And thanks to that major mistake made by men, I have to go against my principles by going to vote. Because the lesser of two evils is my casting a vote that cancels out the vote of some leftwing woman.
Yeah, but those were nude pictures, lesbian porn if I remember right.
In any event, can't you appreciate that there could be a large number of voters, women presumably though conceivably men as well, who are very defensive about their weight, and will take offense at Trump gratuitously trashing someone over it. And if that doesn't happen that there is no corresponding upside at all.Replies: @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad
Earth to Boeethiuss … it’s not “gratuitous”, she’s Miss Universe and looking good is her *job* what she’s getting paid for. It’s like the coach putting some football player who reports to camp fat and out of shape on a diet and workout regime to make weight. Being fit is his *job*.
Earth to Dad, this does nothing for me at all. Am I really going to believe that its Trump's humanitarian concern that Miss Machado maintains a healthy body mass index? Of course not.
But if I were an overweight woman myself, and I see Trump piling on, it could conceivably make me resentful and antagonistic to Trump in a situation where I might not be beforehand. The situation has no upside.
Fuck Trump's business interests. I want to know what he's going to do for me. If he can't manage to say anything interesting about that, it means he's got nothing.
I do know that Hillary has personally demonized any who tried to speak about it.Replies: @Anonymous
Trump has made some very blunt comments. Saying someone is a piggy is off the cuff. Having sex (I did not have sex with that woman) that is okay. She criticizes Trump when her husband is a pig.
If Hillary can't even vet the one woman she's going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background--when there were published stories about her!--how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.Replies: @iSteveFan, @Perspective, @Boethiuss, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @AnotherDad, @frankie p, @Corvinus
Beyond the fun to be had with Miss Machado–and she does look like “fun” (maybe after a good spanking)–since Hillary chose her as a debate prop, Trump didn’t handle this particularly well either.
Granted a couple orders of magnitude less worse than his failure to mention immigration–in the context or either economics or terrorism; letting Hillary prance around as champion of the little guy and never mentioning her funding by Goldman Sachs and how she got rich; never nailing her with destabilizing Syria and now trying to wave the refugees in here. Way less important than all that, but still it was a muffed response.
Trump should have said:
“Hillary you’ve got to be kidding me. You’re going to waste everyone’s time with this nonsense. It’s called ‘show biz’. My job was to hype the pageant, make news, get ratings and have Miss Universe look good. And she’s not a woman working for me in the Trump organization offices–she’s a beauty pageant contestant! She chose to put her body in the spotlight, with the hope that she can leverage that attention into a career as a model or actress. And that she has done.
Seriously, Hillary this is as loony as your “i can’t remember” email nonsense. I admit i’m guilty, guilty, guilty. You can alert the media: Donald Trump believes models must watch their weight and keep up their appearance. I’ve got other hot tips for you: Actors and actresses are more attractive than average people and have to workout to stay trim. Football players must workout to make their weight\speed and strength targets.”
Excellent comment -- please email this to the Trump campaign -- better yet, apply for a job on his campaign staff -- because he needs such good advice, at times badly.
And if he took your advice, how is it going to advance his cause of appearing presidential in the eyes of those sitting on the political fence when he goes unhinged?
Uh… obesity kills more people than smoking and AIDs combined, so telling someone to lose weight is akin to suggesting someone quit smoking. It may not be PC, but it’s the right thing to do. Ask any surgeon who has to deal with operating on a fat person. It complicates surgery, and can lead an overweight person going in for a routine surgical procedure to a death spiral.
One less known fact is most people begin storing fat in their midsection. That is, around their heart, liver, kidney, and intestines. Only then does it spread out to the outside of your stomach area, creating the classic “gut.” By the time you see a gut, it means your innards are packed with fat that a surgeon has to deal with, which can create complications.
Donald was doing the poor girl a big favor.
“Your concerns are more layered than a Dobos Torte.”
Really? There’s only two of them that I can see.
1. His stupidity and vulgarity will keep him from being elected, thereby paving the way for Hillary Clinton.
2. His stupidity, ignorance, and erratic behavior will prevent him from helping America if he is elected.
Hope that’s not too many pancakes for you to digest.
Since congress and the senate are losing to the Republicans at an historic rate, Mr. Trump can get legislation passed without the exactitude that would be required by Lizard Queen, were she successful in cheating herself into the Office.
Now, sit down, and don't speak again until you've finished your hardtack, Encyclopedia Brown.
"I like stupidity"
“And do we have anything other than Machado’s own word to support the claim that Trump said these things?”
Because we know already from what he’s said in public that it sounds like him, therefore it gets credibility whether he said it or not.
“Go back and listen to Trump’s speech on immigration after his trip to Mexico — is that “substantive” enough for you? — you should be blaming HRC and the media for allowing this and other petty bullshit to take center stage at the “debate”.”
Absolutely it was. Unfortunately that was a month ago or something so he has to do something else of that nature to remind the voters.
The reason that kind of thing gets brought up is because _Trump_ keeps it alive. I mean, Rafael Cruz and JFK, the NFL and debates, the Khans, so many of his gaffes are completely unforced errors.
Photos and an interview all ready to go in the NY Times, interviews booked on TV, ads, and tweets.
A huge planned circus. Khan all over again. They’ve got 40 days to get through all the victims: Muslims, blacks, women, …
“you are such a moron. Modeling is the gold standard in earning a living because of your beauty – pageants are total bull; for “farm” girls and nobodies. You obviously don’t realize that models can be multimillionaires.”
What does this have to do with anything? Whatever it is, it’s stupid anyway because most models are broke, just like most musicians and chefs are, though there are a few who make millions.
It’s not point anyway. Is anybody going to actually be surprised if DJT is basically
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2656445/I-felt-d-pressing-face-Controversial-photographer-Terry-Richardson-faces-ANOTHER-sexual-assault-accusation.html
this guy with a coat and tie instead of a plaid shirt. Of course not. So whatever he did, he needs to talk about what’s in our interest. People are going to vote for him (or not) based whether they believe he’s going to help them, or their children, or the people they care about. They’re not going to give a shit about Donald Trump, so there’s no point in talking about why this or that part of his career was so great.
“Earth to Boeethiuss … it’s not “gratuitous”, she’s Miss Universe and looking good is her *job* what she’s getting paid for. It’s like the coach putting some football player who reports to camp fat and out of shape on a diet and workout regime to make weight. Being fit is his *job*.”
Earth to Dad, this does nothing for me at all. Am I really going to believe that its Trump’s humanitarian concern that Miss Machado maintains a healthy body mass index? Of course not.
But if I were an overweight woman myself, and I see Trump piling on, it could conceivably make me resentful and antagonistic to Trump in a situation where I might not be beforehand. The situation has no upside.
Fuck Trump’s business interests. I want to know what he’s going to do for me. If he can’t manage to say anything interesting about that, it means he’s got nothing.
Thanks. I did not know about that feature. I pressed a few wrong buttons hoping for something like that.
I knew wiki was a nest of vipers from peripheral conversations. This was the first time I witnessed it in real time.
Granted a couple orders of magnitude less worse than his failure to mention immigration--in the context or either economics or terrorism; letting Hillary prance around as champion of the little guy and never mentioning her funding by Goldman Sachs and how she got rich; never nailing her with destabilizing Syria and now trying to wave the refugees in here. Way less important than all that, but still it was a muffed response.
Trump should have said:
"Hillary you've got to be kidding me. You're going to waste everyone's time with this nonsense. It's called 'show biz'. My job was to hype the pageant, make news, get ratings and have Miss Universe look good. And she's not a woman working for me in the Trump organization offices--she's a beauty pageant contestant! She chose to put her body in the spotlight, with the hope that she can leverage that attention into a career as a model or actress. And that she has done.
Seriously, Hillary this is as loony as your "i can't remember" email nonsense. I admit i'm guilty, guilty, guilty. You can alert the media: Donald Trump believes models must watch their weight and keep up their appearance. I've got other hot tips for you: Actors and actresses are more attractive than average people and have to workout to stay trim. Football players must workout to make their weight\speed and strength targets."Replies: @eah, @Corvinus
Trump should have said:…
Excellent comment — please email this to the Trump campaign — better yet, apply for a job on his campaign staff — because he needs such good advice, at times badly.
“(Sometimes it’s easier to read just the comments backwards when I’ve forgotten where in the middle I’ve last stopped.)”
Yes to this. When I come back to a page that’s “put on comment weight” since my last visit I tend to scroll from the bottom up.I’ve got quite adept at spotting certain people’s comment style before their name appears at the top of the screen.
Otherwise, if you need to get to the bottom on iOs, just jump to the top then click on the "Reply" link which will jump you to the bottom.
On another matter, just as I'd expected, "Tiny Duck" has quickly accumulated quite a number of "Troll" hits. Should I consider applying my "punishment" of automatically adding him to all "Ignore" lists, helping to slightly unclutter all the threads, or would people like his comments to remain visible by default?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Pat Hannagan, @Brutusale
Really? There's only two of them that I can see.
1. His stupidity and vulgarity will keep him from being elected, thereby paving the way for Hillary Clinton.
2. His stupidity, ignorance, and erratic behavior will prevent him from helping America if he is elected.
Hope that's not too many pancakes for you to digest.Replies: @Johnny789, @Anonymous, @Johnny789
You said stupidity twice. You like stupidity.
Wikipedia scrubbed this from Machado’s page @11pm PST 9/26/16
On June 25, 2008, Machado gave birth to a daughter, and said that the father was her best friend Mexican businessman Rafael Hernandez Linares.Mexican news sources, quoting the ATTORNEY GENERAL of MEXICO, reported that the real father of her child was Gerardo Alvarez-Vazquez, the Mexican drug lord, of the paramilitary drug-cartel Los Negros.
The christening of her child was subsequently attended by the chief members of the Beltran drug cartel (the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel), including the cartel’s “boss of bosses” Arturo Beltrán Leyva, his brother Héctor Beltrán Leyva and the drug-lord Edgar Valdez Villarreal, “La Barbie”
The “End” key on my Windows keyboard scrolls straight to the bottom. The “Home” key takes me to the top.
I don’t know what the OSx, iOS and Android equivalents are.
Maybe, but maybe not either. A boxer fights over and over, a beauty pageant contestant only has one "fight" and Miss Machado "won" it, after which she "reigns". In any event, that's ancillary.
There's an obvious danger in picking on women for gaining weight, I've never heard of a politician ever doing it. And it's really bad if she gained 20 lbs and Trump said it was 60, which I'm guessing is entirely possible.Replies: @Jack Hanson, @iSteveFan, @TheJester, @res
We have a rule in polite society … and that is a male should never berate a woman on her looks. She might be fat; she might be ugly; she might have aberrant taste, but she is always “beautiful”. Same for the workplace. She is “equally productive” even though she might work 10 to 2 as she carpools the kids and takes the afternoon off to catch her daughter’s school play or her son’s football game. Corporate America now buys into the cognitive dissonance. They call it the “family-friendly workplace”. They get awards for tolerating it in the name of equality and diversity.
Women abhore reality, which is why they spend billions on makeup, breast implants, and face lifts as they try to look 18 the rest of their lives. If you point out they do not look 18, you risk a smack up the side of the head … you brute! A woman’s life is all about illusion. You have to buy into illusion if you want to get along with your wife, partner, girlfriend, or female associate in the workplace. They live in a counterfactual world as defined by feminist apologists and other professional illusionists … and no, “WE ARE NOT EMOTIONAL!” SMACK!
And pretty much explains why Republicans are called the stupid party, as anyone and anybody is allowed to walk all over one's dignity and self-respect, in order to maintain access to a piece of pussy.
A huge planned circus. Khan all over again. They've got 40 days to get through all the victims: Muslims, blacks, women, ...Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
I agree. How much will it matter that Miss Universe turned out to be Miss Gangstaverse? A certain number of (overwhelmingly female) voters will turn away from any possibility of voting for Trump because Hillary proved he’s been mean right there on national TV.
Conversely, how many will reject voting for Hillary because of this shady trick? Almost none.
They’re personalizing the attack . . . .
Really? There's only two of them that I can see.
1. His stupidity and vulgarity will keep him from being elected, thereby paving the way for Hillary Clinton.
2. His stupidity, ignorance, and erratic behavior will prevent him from helping America if he is elected.
Hope that's not too many pancakes for you to digest.Replies: @Johnny789, @Anonymous, @Johnny789
Those aren’t pancakes. Those are waffles.
Since congress and the senate are losing to the Republicans at an historic rate, Mr. Trump can get legislation passed without the exactitude that would be required by Lizard Queen, were she successful in cheating herself into the Office.
Now, sit down, and don’t speak again until you’ve finished your hardtack, Encyclopedia Brown.
I don't know what the OSx, iOS and Android equivalents are.Replies: @David G
Indeed, this is a mobile-only issue, as I don’t believe there’s any way to quickly scroll to the bottom; not on iOS at least.
Or feminizing it to the max. From won’t somebody think of the [woman-hating] Skittles?! to the contradictions laid bare by Khan’s wife to questioning her health is sexist! to Trump interrupting Hillary is like every time a man talked over me! to BLM’s matriarchal foundations to Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster, said Mrs. Clinton’s focus on “bringing people together” would resonate with female voters, many of whom are troubled by the recent police shootings, how much of this election hasn’t been decided by the particulars of female psychology?
Really? There's only two of them that I can see.
1. His stupidity and vulgarity will keep him from being elected, thereby paving the way for Hillary Clinton.
2. His stupidity, ignorance, and erratic behavior will prevent him from helping America if he is elected.
Hope that's not too many pancakes for you to digest.Replies: @Johnny789, @Anonymous, @Johnny789
“You said stupidity twice”
“I like stupidity”
Actually it had more to do with her uncontrollable head-bobbing and then later (on 9/11) her appearing to be paralytic and then collapsing (all when she had no idea she was on camera). It was based on more than a few coughing fits.
Obviously her doctors dosed her up with the right cocktail of meds for last night.Replies: @anony-mouse, @Buck Turgidson
Hillary was more juiced than the 1972 East German Olympics women’s swim team
I know the Deadspin article was written eleven years ago, but the comments are closed so I’ll say it here.
It was Charles Jefferson (played by Forest Whitaker) who owned the TransAm that got totaled by his brother and Spicoli.
I wouldn’t call it a sex tape (it was aired on a reality TV show and they were under covers). But I respect that everything on your pages is at your discretion.
If Hillary can't even vet the one woman she's going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background--when there were published stories about her!--how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.Replies: @iSteveFan, @Perspective, @Boethiuss, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @AnotherDad, @frankie p, @Corvinus
I think Trump already jumped on that; I’d say he jumped on it in 1996, when she was 21 and fine. Maybe he doesn’t want those memories dredged up; how was he to know what she would become? That was Hillary’s real message; I know you bonked this nutcase, so I’m going to use her. If you dare dig up her past, I’ll let slip that her past involved the horizontal bop with you.
Frankie P
One less known fact is most people begin storing fat in their midsection. That is, around their heart, liver, kidney, and intestines. Only then does it spread out to the outside of your stomach area, creating the classic "gut." By the time you see a gut, it means your innards are packed with fat that a surgeon has to deal with, which can create complications.
Donald was doing the poor girl a big favor.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Yep. Surgeons hate operating on fat people.
Excuse my late arrival, but has anyone pointed out that new citizen Alicia is dragging the US flag on the ground? And she isn’t even nude in the photo!
Well it’s about time!
Love South American women, but what was she doing having an affair with a low caste Mexican Indio??
Absolutely it was. Unfortunately that was a month ago or something so he has to do something else of that nature to remind the voters.
The reason that kind of thing gets brought up is because _Trump_ keeps it alive. I mean, Rafael Cruz and JFK, the NFL and debates, the Khans, so many of his gaffes are completely unforced errors.Replies: @Mr. Anon
“The reason that kind of thing gets brought up is because _Trump_ keeps it alive. I mean, Rafael Cruz and JFK, the NFL and debates, the Khans, so many of his gaffes are completely unforced errors.”
He didn’t say anything about the Khans that didn’t need to be said. In fact, much more needed to be said about the Khans. Somebody should have challenged Bapu Bhat standing up at that podium and waving that little book he doesn’t care about and lecturing us about what our country “means”. Because Khizer Khan is not who we are.
Hmm. Yeah, she could be some kind of Lovecraftian horror come down the ages to wreak an awful vengeance on us.
http://exitoina.perfil.com/2010-07-15-15899-alicia-machado-en-playboy-de-mexico/
Not bad at all.
Yeah HE’S pretty hot.
Now Trump seems to have figured this out. At his rally tonight he mentioned that Hillary wanted to increase Obama's Syrian refugee take by 550 percent. He said he had originally stated the number was 500 percent, but the fact checkers told him he was lying. He asked them to explain and they said the real number was 550 percent. The crowd ate it up.
Maybe this is a new strategy Trump will use. Ridicule every little fact check that is used to make Trump seem like a liar so that the public becomes immune to the constant claims of the fact checkers.Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Forbes
It’s not a lie because it depends on the subjective determination of ‘around power.’ Hillary Clinton was a staff member of the Watergate committee in 1974. Is that around power? She was an attorney and married to the Arkansas Attorney General, then Governor. Is that around power? She was on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart. Is that around power?
WTF is so crucial about the difference between 26 and 30? Insisting on the correct answer for clearly subjective matters is a mugs game as it distracts from thee substantive question or issue. Ridiculing the fact-check, as above, by correcting to 550% from 500% is a great move to get back on topic rather than a back-and-forth over “who’s lying now.”
Women abhore reality, which is why they spend billions on makeup, breast implants, and face lifts as they try to look 18 the rest of their lives. If you point out they do not look 18, you risk a smack up the side of the head ... you brute! A woman's life is all about illusion. You have to buy into illusion if you want to get along with your wife, partner, girlfriend, or female associate in the workplace. They live in a counterfactual world as defined by feminist apologists and other professional illusionists ... and no, "WE ARE NOT EMOTIONAL!" SMACK!Replies: @Forbes
Sounds like a cuck or white knight who pedestalizes women–the wife or woman in one’s life. There maybe such a “polite society” in certain habitats, but many prefer not to live a life of lies. What is done in one’s personal life with intimate relations is a personal problem, not a societal problem–don’t expect to extend those rules to all others. A man would set the terms of his relationship, instead of appearing to wear a dog collar–led around on a leash. Sit. Stay. Good little doggie.
And pretty much explains why Republicans are called the stupid party, as anyone and anybody is allowed to walk all over one’s dignity and self-respect, in order to maintain access to a piece of pussy.
Maybe, but maybe not either. A boxer fights over and over, a beauty pageant contestant only has one "fight" and Miss Machado "won" it, after which she "reigns". In any event, that's ancillary.
There's an obvious danger in picking on women for gaining weight, I've never heard of a politician ever doing it. And it's really bad if she gained 20 lbs and Trump said it was 60, which I'm guessing is entirely possible.Replies: @Jack Hanson, @iSteveFan, @TheJester, @res
You guessed wrong. CNN said it was nearly 60 pounds in 1997:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9701/29/fringe/miss.universe/
But I suppose if it was 59.9 pounds then Trump lied…
Meme-wise, Pepe could be Kermit the Frog to Alicia Machado’s Miss Piggy.
Yes to this. When I come back to a page that's "put on comment weight" since my last visit I tend to scroll from the bottom up.I've got quite adept at spotting certain people's comment style before their name appears at the top of the screen.Replies: @Ron Unz
Actually, so long as you’re allowing cookies and Javascript, there’s a much easier way. The system automatically displays the number of new comments on a post since your last visit, and if you click on that boldface link, i.e. “13 New,” the browser will position you exactly at the first new comment. All the new comments are tinted blue, and each also contains a link to the next new comment if they’re dispersed.
Otherwise, if you need to get to the bottom on iOs, just jump to the top then click on the “Reply” link which will jump you to the bottom.
On another matter, just as I’d expected, “Tiny Duck” has quickly accumulated quite a number of “Troll” hits. Should I consider applying my “punishment” of automatically adding him to all “Ignore” lists, helping to slightly unclutter all the threads, or would people like his comments to remain visible by default?
Otherwise, if you need to get to the bottom on iOs, just jump to the top then click on the "Reply" link which will jump you to the bottom.
On another matter, just as I'd expected, "Tiny Duck" has quickly accumulated quite a number of "Troll" hits. Should I consider applying my "punishment" of automatically adding him to all "Ignore" lists, helping to slightly unclutter all the threads, or would people like his comments to remain visible by default?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Pat Hannagan, @Brutusale
How about limiting TD to four posts per article?
╭∩╮ ಠ ︿ ಠ
“The Machado story has put another hole under Trump’s waterline and she will now be dropped down the memory hole like Khan. That’s the power of owning the megaphone.”
Maybe that’s why Erdogan and Putin have decided that it’s better for them to own the megaphone in their respective countries. Makes you wonder…
Otherwise, if you need to get to the bottom on iOs, just jump to the top then click on the "Reply" link which will jump you to the bottom.
On another matter, just as I'd expected, "Tiny Duck" has quickly accumulated quite a number of "Troll" hits. Should I consider applying my "punishment" of automatically adding him to all "Ignore" lists, helping to slightly unclutter all the threads, or would people like his comments to remain visible by default?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Pat Hannagan, @Brutusale
I like to read Tiny Duck and the replies to him/her.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9701/29/fringe/miss.universe/But I suppose if it was 59.9 pounds then Trump lied...Replies: @Boethiuss
Great, we dodged that bullet then.
The Republicans need to run candidates--ought to be minimum qualification--willing and able to debunk this nonsense--70 cents on the dollar or whatever the current crapola number they are pushing. (In reality women are undoubtedly overpaid relative to men for their labor. The government has provided and caused to be provided all sorts of mostly useless soft jobs for women. Plus there is regulatory and legal pressure to pushing up the promotion and pay of women.)
What feminists want is of course equal pay for *unequal* work. But that's just par for the course, feminism is a give exercise in socialism. It's an attack on the old--very fair and often beautiful--way that women access men's labor, marriage. Feminism is essentially the demand that society must be organized so that men must work to provide for women without women doing anything in return.Replies: @MC
Have these women never noticed that they get paid the same as their male co-workers of equivalent rank? Do they think money is being funneled under the table to men as a bonus payment for being male?
Or do they just assume that pay discrimination happens in every workplace except the ones they’ve worked in?
First, Hillary's entire "public life" is grounded in being married to a man who is a straight-up lech. He pretends to try to hide it, but he knows perfectly well that it was crucial to his success. Insofar as Bill had the ability to connect with the non-elite man, the barely hidden fact that he "likes women" seems crucial. He seems to be pretty good at it. He is probably better at "scoring" women than Donald. Donald actually has standards. They are somewhat simplistic, it seems, and much of Donald's success with women seems grounded in his actual ability (a very real ability, if not as great as he portrays it) to earn money and be a "real" man. Bill is probably better at directly getting the "p". (Maybe I should have posted this at Vox Day- delete the Alicia Machado porn urls's by all means - they are easily found - but I am drinking and posting anonymously).
I think there was a second point, but - and while I agree with much of Ron's recent post on maintaining a consistent identity and all that - in vino veritas.Replies: @Jack Highlands
Trump is much better at getting the quality P. Even if Clinton’s notch count is two or three times higher, an assumption, Trump’s quality score is far higher, once we account for the fact that the HB scale is exponential, not arithmetical.
Nor was this achievement of Trump’s (and it is an achievement of high order, since every straight man ever born, at least in his imagination, values scoring with beautiful women to be perhaps the highest reward this world has to offer) simply a matter of making it in a man’s world.
Of all the great tools toward the attainment of beautiful women, the football, the guitar and the camera say, Heartiste has written that the camera is the most foolproof. A straight fashion photographer with even an ounce of game is going to slay: he spends his time ordering (not asking or even stating) beautiful women into various positions in various degrees of undress. And half the competition is gay.
Now imagine how a straight owner of that fashion business can do. Now imagine what the owner of the Miss Universe pageant can do.
Trump walked his path very deliberately. He knew where it would lead.
Definitely in the top 0.1% of independent clauses on the internet today.
“A straight fashion photographer with even an ounce of game is going to slay”
Definitely in the top 0.1% of independent clauses on the internet today.
If Trump can make this election a referendum on the last sixteen years, especially with respect to the economy, foreign policy and immigration, he wins.
If Hillary can get her coalition of the fringes (Copyright Steve Sailer) -- but especially women -- out in a tidal wave, she wins.
It's a contest between those who notice things versus those who feelz.Replies: @Brutusale
She knows that married white women voted 63% for Romney last election. She knows that the average American woman carries a bit too much avoirdupois. She knows that their husbands kid them about it sometimes.
She’s making Donald Trump every overweight woman’s husband. And she knows that her buds in the MSM will cover up this cow’s tawdry past.
Me, too. I love the replies smacking him down.
Granted a couple orders of magnitude less worse than his failure to mention immigration--in the context or either economics or terrorism; letting Hillary prance around as champion of the little guy and never mentioning her funding by Goldman Sachs and how she got rich; never nailing her with destabilizing Syria and now trying to wave the refugees in here. Way less important than all that, but still it was a muffed response.
Trump should have said:
"Hillary you've got to be kidding me. You're going to waste everyone's time with this nonsense. It's called 'show biz'. My job was to hype the pageant, make news, get ratings and have Miss Universe look good. And she's not a woman working for me in the Trump organization offices--she's a beauty pageant contestant! She chose to put her body in the spotlight, with the hope that she can leverage that attention into a career as a model or actress. And that she has done.
Seriously, Hillary this is as loony as your "i can't remember" email nonsense. I admit i'm guilty, guilty, guilty. You can alert the media: Donald Trump believes models must watch their weight and keep up their appearance. I've got other hot tips for you: Actors and actresses are more attractive than average people and have to workout to stay trim. Football players must workout to make their weight\speed and strength targets."Replies: @eah, @Corvinus
“Trump should have said…”
And if he took your advice, how is it going to advance his cause of appearing presidential in the eyes of those sitting on the political fence when he goes unhinged?
If Hillary can't even vet the one woman she's going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background--when there were published stories about her!--how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.
This stuff writes itself. Get off your ass Trump and get going.Replies: @iSteveFan, @Perspective, @Boethiuss, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @AnotherDad, @frankie p, @Corvinus
“If Hillary can’t even vet the one woman she’s going to use as a prop in the debate for basic non-criminal background–when there were published stories about her!–how is she going to vet 600,000 Syrians whom we know nothing about.”
Because she personally does not vet 600,000 Syrians, immigration officials do. And you are assuming that she failed in this background check. It is entirely possible that she and her team knew exactly what they were putting out there, using their liberal acolytes in the media to bait the the Alt Right into going unhinged about Machado’s incidents from 15-20 years ago, with the hopes that Trump will focus on this topic rather than policy issues.
And so when the gloves finally come off and Trump hammers on Hillary’s numerous issues–which the public already knows about–in the second and third debates, how is that going to make him appear more presidential and convince fence sitters he is worthy of their vote? Because the “respect for Chelsea” comment he made for NOT going full automatic on Hillary in the first debate will be hollow and empty should he give her both barrels, regardless if it is deserving.
Otherwise, if you need to get to the bottom on iOs, just jump to the top then click on the "Reply" link which will jump you to the bottom.
On another matter, just as I'd expected, "Tiny Duck" has quickly accumulated quite a number of "Troll" hits. Should I consider applying my "punishment" of automatically adding him to all "Ignore" lists, helping to slightly unclutter all the threads, or would people like his comments to remain visible by default?Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Pat Hannagan, @Brutusale
Anyone who wants to can ignore him. I defend his right, like I defend Doofusthissus’ and Troofie’s, to spew whatever drivel they like. Steve’s whim is fine.
Maybe you can pink box anyone accumulating enough troll points.
She’s an American. Her own country is the USA. Maybe her country is screwed up because we have a major political party that can be duped into nominating an unqualified demagogue for President.
“Maybe her country is screwed up because we have a major political party that can be duped into nominating an unqualified demagogue for President.” Replace “a” with “two” and make “party” plural – FIFY.
“She’s an American. Her own country is the USA.”
No, the USA is just the shopping mall she’s currently hanging out in. She is from Venezuela.