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From National Review:

Different Races, Same Boat
By MIKE LEE

MIKE LEE is the senior U.S. senator from Utah.
January 21, 2019 6:30 AM

… For two years the Social Capital Project of the Joint Economic Committee has studied the health of families, communities, and civil society, documenting changes in social capital over time and its uneven geographic distribution across the country. One striking finding from the project was that ten of the eleven states with the lowest social capital — as measured by an index we created — and 17 of the bottom 20 fall within a continuous bloc running across the southern part of the country.

Looks to me like Moynihan’s Law of the Canadian Border (the closer a state’s capital is to the Canadian border, the higher school test scores and other metrics of Nice Things it is likely to have).

It was beyond the scope of our report to fully explain the reasons for this concentration of disadvantage, but we noted that these geographic patterns suggest deep-seated problems. The facts eventually led us to a troubling, but revelatory, correlation.

One of the seven components of our Social Capital Index measures the prevalence of marriage and intact families in a given area (the darker the blue, the worse the score). We then overlaid our county-level map of this “family unity” index with a map depicting the share of those counties’ 1860 population that was enslaved (the more red dots, the higher the proportion of slaves). Here’s what we found:

The correlation is far from perfect. But as you can see, it is unmistakable, although the data are separated by 150 years.

Or you could likely get an even closer correlation by drilling down to the neighborhood Census Tract and plotting the percentage of Non-Asian People of Color: e.g., Detroit didn’t have much slavery in 1860, but it doesn’t have a lot of Social Capital today.

That reality is hard to show in a map of counties because black populations in the north are so concentrated in cities that, say, Cook County or Wayne County look like tiny dots on the US map. In contrast, there are more rural blacks in the South, so their presence, even when euphemized through a slavery-in-1860 metric, is easier to see on a map.

The institution of slavery stole agency from African Americans, for generations. Families were regularly split up, with children torn from their parents and spouses from each other. Black women were often sexually assaulted by their “owners.” Husbands and fathers were prohibited from exercising the authority that men at the time were supposed to wield. They were neither breadwinners nor protectors but were instead subjected to violent humiliation and abuse at the hands of the privileged few who profited from the arrangement.

But, oddly enough, black illegitimacy rates weren’t all that terrible for the first 100 years after slavery, but then exploded when welfare for single mothers was boosted in the 1960s. And oddly enough, illegitimacy rates soared first far away from where slavery was found in 1860, in places like New York, Ohio, and Michigan where pro-civil rights liberalism was triumphant.

Update: Bay Area Progressive Coalition points out that Washington Post columnist Megan McArdle did an artful job of both Noticing and being Tactically Obscure at the same time in her discussion of these maps:

The maps provided by the Joint Economic Committee suggest that migration may indeed have persistent effects on social trust — that historical events can build or deplete our social capital even centuries later. When you get down to the county level, it looks as if the stronger areas on the map are dominated by settlement from just three of America’s many immigrant waves: Puritans in the 17th century and Scandinavians and Germans in the 19th. The weaker spots, on the other hand, seem to trace the twin realms of Spanish colonialism and King Cotton.

The “twin realms of Spanish colonialism and King Cotton” — I’m impressed! Nobody will Cancel her for blaming the King of Spain for the cruddiness of San Bernardino County today, and two, perhaps three percent of her readers will get the joke about Spanish colonialism still depressing real estate prices in Palo Alto.

 
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  1. But, oddly enough, black illegitimacy rates weren’t all that terrible for the first 100 years after slavery

    Yes they were. We just don’t recognize it because they were the same as for whites today.

    Tangentially (ahem) on-topic, Euclid proved 23 centuries ago with his Vertical Angle Theorem that there is nothing behind Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez but her looks:

    ∠AOC = ∠BOD

    ∠AOC – ∠BOD = 0

    I.e., she’s nothing without her BOD.

    • LOL: bomag, bruce county
    • Replies: @bruce county
    This needs to be a t-shirt... too funny..
  2. It was beyond the scope of our report to fully explain the reasons for this concentration of disadvantage…

    …but I’m going to go ahead and speculate about the reasons anyway…

    The facts eventually led us to a troubling, but revelatory, correlation…

    …that those with low social capital tend to live among others similarly situated.

    And like Newton’s first law of motion, a body at rest tends to stay at rest, unless acted upon by force.

  3. “Slavery in 1860” as a Euphemism for “Blacks in 2019”

    “Statehood in 1959” as a euphemism for ? in 2019?

    Or is it “Annexation in 1898…”? Or “Regicide in 1893…”? (Actually, Her Majesty lived until Armistice Day, 17 years later.)

    The official holiday was celebrated last Friday, by law, but tomorrow is the 60th anniversary.

    Statehood Day: Hawaii’s Most Controversial Holiday”

    Hawaii celebrates 50th anniversary of statehood, sort of

    Now, this is a state capitol:

  4. Meanwhile, while the MSM is busy slicing and dicing racial minutiae from the distant past, we now have typhus on the streets of major American cities. Yes, typhus.

    You’d think that might trigger TPTB, but 1) they no longer really admit that anyone died of typhus during WW2, because Holocaust and 2) to admit to its happening today might drag the dreaded CTRL-F “migr” text string into view.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/50801/medieval-diseases-are-present-los-angeles-adin-blumofe

  5. Certainly, conservatives should affirm the moral agency of the individual. But we must also recognize the ways in which social conditions, history, and policies make the exercise of personal responsibility more or less difficult.

    Almost all U.S. blacks are descended from former slaves. By definition, there is therefore a near 100% correlation between being an “ancestor of slaves” and black dysfunction. However, as everyone knows — but as no one can seem to remember when they are making an argument — correlation is not causation.

    So the missing piece in every single one of these “legacy of slavery” articles is any attempt to identify the causal mechanism that makes “the exercise of personal responsibility” more difficult for a person because he had a slave ancestor 150 years ago.

    The implication of all these articles is that slavery caused blacks to have a crappy culture and a lot of negative personality traits. But for obvious reasons they can’t actually connect those dots. So, instead, the “legacy of slavery” just hangs in the air as a Creation Myth that caused everything, but for no particular reason.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    I think a more useful comparison would be US Blacks today vs. African Blacks today - not US Blacks vs. US Whites.

    And if Blacks are in fact better off in Africa (doubtful), then reparations to American black descendants of slaves should be offered in the form of transportation and relocation vouchers, contingent upon renunciation of US citizenship.

    And if in fact US Blacks are better off compared to AfriBlacks, then, you’re welcome, now shut the f*** up, already.

    Of course none of this will happen because we are doomed.

    , @anon
    Russian serfs suffered as much as black slaves for centuries, and Russians over the last 100 years suffered far more than any American blacks.
    Chinese (and Vietnamese) peasants suffered as much as black slaves, and Chinese and Vietnamese people over the last 100 years have suffered far more than American blacks.
    A black in Alabama over the last 100 years had more judicial and political rights, better food, better health care, more personal security, less chance of suffering war, famine, or massacre, than Russians, Chinese and Vietnamese during the same generations.
    The Chinese in America today are doing just fine.
    The Vietnamese in America today are doing just fine.
    The Russians in America are doing just fine.
    Meanwhile the Negroes are a permanent dysfunctional under-class.
    These comparisons show that slavery and its mythical legacy aren't causing black dysfunction.
    , @HammerJack

    Almost all U.S. blacks are descended from former slaves.
     
    In any recent ten-year period, more Africans have arrived in America of their own free will and at their own expense than were transported here during the entire 200+ years of the slave trade.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/nyregion/influx-of-african-immigrants-shifting-national-and-new-york-demographics.html

    Will the NYT remove that article, since it sort of conflicts with their latest racism initiative?

  6. How could the South be so much worse off if the country was built on the backs of black slaves who were mostly in the South?

    • Agree: Old Prude
  7. The institution of slavery stole agency from African Americans

    Is that why progressives continue to treat African Americans as without agency today? If it was stolen from them by slavery, shouldn’t it have been returned by now?

  8. Brings to mind the time the New York Times did a series of articles about the states with the highest homicide rates, and tried to explain away the most obvious explanation by claiming that it was due to the Southern concept of “honor”.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    That's funny, though to a certain extent this is true (that its often "honor"). One of the more depressing aspects to the extreme levels of black violence is that its not "gang warfare" etc as is commonly trotted out when the MSM can't avoid acknowledging the violence is black. Instead it is arguments over dice games, a woman, who parked where, who "dissed" who, for seemingly any reason at all or for almost no reason at all. It seems like most any and all slights must be avenged.

    Notice how seemingly every birthday party or barbecue ends up in violence. That's not gangs.

    That said I highly doubt they picked it up from the whites living around them, rather that its a function of low impulse control. Southern honor culture had more elaborate structures and the offending party usually had a way to avoid the violence - apologize, retract an accusation, etc.
  9. @Hypnotoad666

    Certainly, conservatives should affirm the moral agency of the individual. But we must also recognize the ways in which social conditions, history, and policies make the exercise of personal responsibility more or less difficult.

     

    Almost all U.S. blacks are descended from former slaves. By definition, there is therefore a near 100% correlation between being an "ancestor of slaves" and black dysfunction. However, as everyone knows -- but as no one can seem to remember when they are making an argument -- correlation is not causation.

    So the missing piece in every single one of these "legacy of slavery" articles is any attempt to identify the causal mechanism that makes "the exercise of personal responsibility" more difficult for a person because he had a slave ancestor 150 years ago.

    The implication of all these articles is that slavery caused blacks to have a crappy culture and a lot of negative personality traits. But for obvious reasons they can't actually connect those dots. So, instead, the "legacy of slavery" just hangs in the air as a Creation Myth that caused everything, but for no particular reason.

    I think a more useful comparison would be US Blacks today vs. African Blacks today – not US Blacks vs. US Whites.

    And if Blacks are in fact better off in Africa (doubtful), then reparations to American black descendants of slaves should be offered in the form of transportation and relocation vouchers, contingent upon renunciation of US citizenship.

    And if in fact US Blacks are better off compared to AfriBlacks, then, you’re welcome, now shut the f*** up, already.

    Of course none of this will happen because we are doomed.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I think a more useful comparison would be US Blacks today vs. African Blacks today – not US Blacks vs. US Whites.

    And if Blacks are in fact better off in Africa (doubtful), then reparations to American black descendants of slaves should be offered in the form of transportation and relocation vouchers, contingent upon renunciation of US citizenship.

    And if in fact US Blacks are better off compared to AfriBlacks, then, you’re welcome, now shut the f*** up, already.
     
    Indeed.
  10. That map includes Oklahoma, but shows no slaves. The Five Civilized Tribes owned slaves.

  11. I suppose it *could* be the policies of 20 or 50 years ago, but why don’t we go ahead and blame it on the policies of 160 years ago. Because you know…white people.

  12. Hey Senator, blacks make up less than 2% of Utah’s population. How’s upward mobility doing there?

    Perhaps you should run for office in Alabama.

  13. The common proposition is that Black families were broken up by slavery. But what were they like in Africa, before slavery? It seems like family formation during slavery was the aberration, breaking up the non-family dynamic that existed before and after. Why does no one bring this up?

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    That’s pretty true.
  14. McArdle is annoying. I really suspect her of being smarter than she lets on.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    McArdle is annoying. I really suspect her of being smarter than she lets on.
     
    You got the annoying part right.
    , @baythoven
    I'll trust you that she's generally annoying, but I'll take agreeably even an off-handed nod to The Greatest Immigrants Ever -- those Germanic peoples that took the boat over with an aim, not to slog it out in the cities, but to settle the open prairie.
  15. A huge problem with immigrants from south of the Rio Grande is that they are heirs of the Spanish Empire, direct descendants of the Roman Empire – their politics are client/patron, peons/bigmen. Their system is incompatible with Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence and political institutions.

    Most of them need to go back to where they, or their ancestors, came from.

  16. Who doesn’t remember the battle of Las Vegas from their high school history–the night they drove old Dixie down?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    "Virgil quick come see, there's Caesars Palace"
  17. • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Her characteristic mixture of semitic smugness with third-grade-girl gossipery. Someone (I'm not on Twitter) should tell her that she's not allowed to tweet any more until she's read Camp of the Saints.
    , @William Badwhite

    anyone who wants to tweet things like this to me has to read the #1619Project first. Pass it on.
     
    Right, because slavery starting in America 1619 also explains why blacks fail everywhere, not just here. Thus its not genetic, or something like that.
    , @Jack D
    This is called "gatekeeping" and it's not an attractive characteristic of the modern Left. They need to read Dale Carnegie - this is not how you make friends and influence people. The specialty of the Left is preaching to the converted. Reading the 1619 Project is not going to change anyone's mind. It's not INTENDED to change anyone's mind. It's just intended to reinforce the solidarity of the Left. The Old Left actually tried to win people over (with lies, but at least they were trying). These people don't even WANT converts if they are yucky white deplorables who might give you cooties.

    Team Hillary was probably GLAD that white deplorables didn't vote for her - you really don't want to be on the same side as these people. If she had been able to win without them (and that was the plan) they would have been very happy. Better to win by a bigger margin in CA where GOOD people are voting for you.
  18. That reality is hard to show in a map of counties because black populations in the north are so concentrated in cities that, say, Cook County or Wayne County look like tiny dots on the US map. In contrast, there are more rural blacks in the South, so their presence, even when euphemized through a slavery-in-1860 metric, is easier to see on a map.

    Keep in mind that neither Alabama or Mississippi have the population that Cook County has.

  19. God Almighty, I am just so sick of hearing about Negroes and slavery on and on and on ad nauseam. Frankly, I just DGAF about slavery. Not for ten seconds. I just wish that it had never happened so I wouldn’t have to hear about it constantly.

    For being only 13% of the population, Negroes seem to take up about 90% of what academics, journalists, politicians, historians, the (((media))), the (((advertising industry))), the courts, the cops, and the law concern themselves with.

    I’ve had just about enough. I open my e-mail, and see pictures of Negroes. I turn on the television, and all I see are Negroes. I open my phone bill, and there are pictures of Negroes. I get an advertising flyer in the mail, and all it shows are Negroes. Based on the advertising and the (((media))) you’d think that the U.S. was 90% black and located in the Congo.

    Good God… will this Negro obsession NEVER end???

  20. If you see somebody from National Review out with family or whatever in public sneak up behind them and whisper “RACIST!” and watch them jump 10 feet into the air.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    You're cruel. ;-)
  21. Now they should do one on Africa.

  22. @Joe, Averaged
    The common proposition is that Black families were broken up by slavery. But what were they like in Africa, before slavery? It seems like family formation during slavery was the aberration, breaking up the non-family dynamic that existed before and after. Why does no one bring this up?

    That’s pretty true.

  23. Poor Mike Lee. His dad was really smart and capable and was Solicitor General, while Mike is a sign of the weakness of the meritocracy.

    I know someone who went to law school with him. He says that he was known as the dumbest guy in his class, but surrounded by sychophants because of his father. Nepotism helped him in everything in life.

    Only a midwit could write this crap….I guess he proves my friend right……

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    I've heard his brother is a legal heavyweight and potential SCOTUS nominee, a Mormon version of Scalia. I guess siblings can vary a lot.
    , @AnotherDad

    Poor Mike Lee. His dad was really smart and capable and was Solicitor General, while Mike is a sign of the weakness of the meritocracy.

    I know someone who went to law school with him. He says that he was known as the dumbest guy in his class, but surrounded by sychophants because of his father. Nepotism helped him in everything in life.

    Only a midwit could write this crap….I guess he proves my friend right……
     

    I've had the pleasure of working and scouting with several Mormon men--really first class guys. And i really admire the Mormon family orientation and their "we'll get you a job; you will clean up your act" approach to social welfare.

    Mike Lee might be a particularly idiotic guy. But there is a particular "Mormon problem" on immigration and HBD issues. Everyone is potential Mormon and they are always "looking for more". So however decent and high quality the members, their church is just ideologically adverse to really protecting the nation. More converts comes first. And it shows in the poor behavior of nominally "conservative" Mormon politicians.

    Basically it's a super-charged version of the general Christian universalism problem. (Which has also turned mainline Protestants, and even the Catholic Church and a lot of Evangelicals into enemies of the West.) The religious analog to the "more toilet paper sales!" ethos you get from some stupid/greedy businessmen here.

  24. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Certainly, conservatives should affirm the moral agency of the individual. But we must also recognize the ways in which social conditions, history, and policies make the exercise of personal responsibility more or less difficult.

     

    Almost all U.S. blacks are descended from former slaves. By definition, there is therefore a near 100% correlation between being an "ancestor of slaves" and black dysfunction. However, as everyone knows -- but as no one can seem to remember when they are making an argument -- correlation is not causation.

    So the missing piece in every single one of these "legacy of slavery" articles is any attempt to identify the causal mechanism that makes "the exercise of personal responsibility" more difficult for a person because he had a slave ancestor 150 years ago.

    The implication of all these articles is that slavery caused blacks to have a crappy culture and a lot of negative personality traits. But for obvious reasons they can't actually connect those dots. So, instead, the "legacy of slavery" just hangs in the air as a Creation Myth that caused everything, but for no particular reason.

    Russian serfs suffered as much as black slaves for centuries, and Russians over the last 100 years suffered far more than any American blacks.
    Chinese (and Vietnamese) peasants suffered as much as black slaves, and Chinese and Vietnamese people over the last 100 years have suffered far more than American blacks.
    A black in Alabama over the last 100 years had more judicial and political rights, better food, better health care, more personal security, less chance of suffering war, famine, or massacre, than Russians, Chinese and Vietnamese during the same generations.
    The Chinese in America today are doing just fine.
    The Vietnamese in America today are doing just fine.
    The Russians in America are doing just fine.
    Meanwhile the Negroes are a permanent dysfunctional under-class.
    These comparisons show that slavery and its mythical legacy aren’t causing black dysfunction.

    • Replies: @George
    "Meanwhile the Negroes are a permanent dysfunctional under-class."

    Videos of Cali homeless camps seem to be 100% white people. But maybe getting all my news from WSHH is giving me a false impression.
  25. @KunioKun
    If you see somebody from National Review out with family or whatever in public sneak up behind them and whisper "RACIST!" and watch them jump 10 feet into the air.

    You’re cruel. 😉

  26. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/amy_harmon/status/1163157991581003776

    Her characteristic mixture of semitic smugness with third-grade-girl gossipery. Someone (I’m not on Twitter) should tell her that she’s not allowed to tweet any more until she’s read Camp of the Saints.

  27. @Hypnotoad666

    Certainly, conservatives should affirm the moral agency of the individual. But we must also recognize the ways in which social conditions, history, and policies make the exercise of personal responsibility more or less difficult.

     

    Almost all U.S. blacks are descended from former slaves. By definition, there is therefore a near 100% correlation between being an "ancestor of slaves" and black dysfunction. However, as everyone knows -- but as no one can seem to remember when they are making an argument -- correlation is not causation.

    So the missing piece in every single one of these "legacy of slavery" articles is any attempt to identify the causal mechanism that makes "the exercise of personal responsibility" more difficult for a person because he had a slave ancestor 150 years ago.

    The implication of all these articles is that slavery caused blacks to have a crappy culture and a lot of negative personality traits. But for obvious reasons they can't actually connect those dots. So, instead, the "legacy of slavery" just hangs in the air as a Creation Myth that caused everything, but for no particular reason.

    Almost all U.S. blacks are descended from former slaves.

    In any recent ten-year period, more Africans have arrived in America of their own free will and at their own expense than were transported here during the entire 200+ years of the slave trade.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/nyregion/influx-of-african-immigrants-shifting-national-and-new-york-demographics.html

    Will the NYT remove that article, since it sort of conflicts with their latest racism initiative?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Not to mention millions of Caribbean blacks leaving their black ruled islands where there is no racism. America OTOH is permeated with racism from day 1 to the present - that's why they are all flocking here, so the white cops can shoot them.
  28. @AnotherDad
    Who doesn't remember the battle of Las Vegas from their high school history--the night they drove old Dixie down?

    “Virgil quick come see, there’s Caesars Palace”

  29. Waiting for the NYT, or someone else to point out that slave traders, like other livestock dealers, tend to export their lowest quality goods first.

  30. Problem with Mike Lee’s thesis is that marriage rates and wedlock birth rates were higher among ex-slaves and their children than it is among their descendants today. Thomas Sowell has noted this fact. So how can this impact of slavery be more severe among blacks that are the furthest removed from it than those blacks that were actual slaves?

    Seems to me that blacks being quintessential Americans without much of an insular culture bought into 60s liberalism more than most groups. They were ill-equipped to do so and now we are witnessing the results among the black underclass and the downward mobility of the black middle class.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Seems to me that blacks being quintessential Americans without much of an insular culture bought into 60s liberalism more than most groups.
     
    The "liberal" policies of the 1960's were designed to destroy the black community (fatherless homes and voluntary integration) and the white community (forced integration). It's as if the policies were devised by some third party.
  31. @Gaius Gracchus
    Poor Mike Lee. His dad was really smart and capable and was Solicitor General, while Mike is a sign of the weakness of the meritocracy.

    I know someone who went to law school with him. He says that he was known as the dumbest guy in his class, but surrounded by sychophants because of his father. Nepotism helped him in everything in life.

    Only a midwit could write this crap....I guess he proves my friend right......

    I’ve heard his brother is a legal heavyweight and potential SCOTUS nominee, a Mormon version of Scalia. I guess siblings can vary a lot.

  32. @Gaius Gracchus
    Poor Mike Lee. His dad was really smart and capable and was Solicitor General, while Mike is a sign of the weakness of the meritocracy.

    I know someone who went to law school with him. He says that he was known as the dumbest guy in his class, but surrounded by sychophants because of his father. Nepotism helped him in everything in life.

    Only a midwit could write this crap....I guess he proves my friend right......

    Poor Mike Lee. His dad was really smart and capable and was Solicitor General, while Mike is a sign of the weakness of the meritocracy.

    I know someone who went to law school with him. He says that he was known as the dumbest guy in his class, but surrounded by sychophants because of his father. Nepotism helped him in everything in life.

    Only a midwit could write this crap….I guess he proves my friend right……

    I’ve had the pleasure of working and scouting with several Mormon men–really first class guys. And i really admire the Mormon family orientation and their “we’ll get you a job; you will clean up your act” approach to social welfare.

    Mike Lee might be a particularly idiotic guy. But there is a particular “Mormon problem” on immigration and HBD issues. Everyone is potential Mormon and they are always “looking for more”. So however decent and high quality the members, their church is just ideologically adverse to really protecting the nation. More converts comes first. And it shows in the poor behavior of nominally “conservative” Mormon politicians.

    Basically it’s a super-charged version of the general Christian universalism problem. (Which has also turned mainline Protestants, and even the Catholic Church and a lot of Evangelicals into enemies of the West.) The religious analog to the “more toilet paper sales!” ethos you get from some stupid/greedy businessmen here.

    • Replies: @Joe the Nephite
    Speaking as an active (and extremely committed) "Mormon", I fully agree with your assessment. The "mission" of the Church is not to save America or Europe, but to save as many individuals as possible, resulting in a bias that (in my opinion) hurts the US and Europe.

    The disconnect between honoring and obeying the law of the land (fundamental to being a good "Mormon") and the Church's "don't ask/don't tell" policy on immigration status (allowing law breakers to be in positions of leadership) is quite disconcerting for many of us.

    One of the problems is that a vast number of "Mormons" have done missionary service in foreign countries, with Mexico and Central and South America being major destinations for such service. When they think of illegal immigrants, they think of "Brother Gonzales," whom they baptized and knew and loved, who is a good and kind person -- who has committed to the "Mormon" ethic of hard work and personal responsibility -- and think, "Of course I would welcome Brother Gonzales into my country. He'd be a real asset." They don't think of Bro. Gonzales' 35 gang-banger cousins who have NOT made such commitments who are also on their way here. This myopic view immigrants causes many "Mormons" to be pro-immigration.
  33. @Laurence Whelk
    I think a more useful comparison would be US Blacks today vs. African Blacks today - not US Blacks vs. US Whites.

    And if Blacks are in fact better off in Africa (doubtful), then reparations to American black descendants of slaves should be offered in the form of transportation and relocation vouchers, contingent upon renunciation of US citizenship.

    And if in fact US Blacks are better off compared to AfriBlacks, then, you’re welcome, now shut the f*** up, already.

    Of course none of this will happen because we are doomed.

    I think a more useful comparison would be US Blacks today vs. African Blacks today – not US Blacks vs. US Whites.

    And if Blacks are in fact better off in Africa (doubtful), then reparations to American black descendants of slaves should be offered in the form of transportation and relocation vouchers, contingent upon renunciation of US citizenship.

    And if in fact US Blacks are better off compared to AfriBlacks, then, you’re welcome, now shut the f*** up, already.

    Indeed.

    • Replies: @Aft
    Let the reverse reparations begin: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS87WyDw3_3e2dxZMxeEIDasllzb4OUKPVA_AhETIvBhMmGuMkhwWwnYazFKw

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRrJtEmbBKQHc4lXqoDGh2oAPd13TeomHSofQzuOrZ3-JNZCWZ_

  34. @ben tillman

    I think a more useful comparison would be US Blacks today vs. African Blacks today – not US Blacks vs. US Whites.

    And if Blacks are in fact better off in Africa (doubtful), then reparations to American black descendants of slaves should be offered in the form of transportation and relocation vouchers, contingent upon renunciation of US citizenship.

    And if in fact US Blacks are better off compared to AfriBlacks, then, you’re welcome, now shut the f*** up, already.
     
    Indeed.
  35. @Ed
    Problem with Mike Lee’s thesis is that marriage rates and wedlock birth rates were higher among ex-slaves and their children than it is among their descendants today. Thomas Sowell has noted this fact. So how can this impact of slavery be more severe among blacks that are the furthest removed from it than those blacks that were actual slaves?

    Seems to me that blacks being quintessential Americans without much of an insular culture bought into 60s liberalism more than most groups. They were ill-equipped to do so and now we are witnessing the results among the black underclass and the downward mobility of the black middle class.

    Seems to me that blacks being quintessential Americans without much of an insular culture bought into 60s liberalism more than most groups.

    The “liberal” policies of the 1960’s were designed to destroy the black community (fatherless homes and voluntary integration) and the white community (forced integration). It’s as if the policies were devised by some third party.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I can confirm. I have seen the secret business plan created by the Elders of Zion with my own eyes (they keep a copy in every synagogue but you are not allowed to show it to the Goyim). I could get in trouble for revealing this but since it seems to have leaked out anyway I don't see the harm.

    Here is the plan:

    Step 1 Destroy the black community (fatherless homes and voluntary integration)

    Step 2 Destroy the white community (forced integration).

    Step 3 ????

    Step 4 Profit!
  36. @ben tillman

    Seems to me that blacks being quintessential Americans without much of an insular culture bought into 60s liberalism more than most groups.
     
    The "liberal" policies of the 1960's were designed to destroy the black community (fatherless homes and voluntary integration) and the white community (forced integration). It's as if the policies were devised by some third party.

    I can confirm. I have seen the secret business plan created by the Elders of Zion with my own eyes (they keep a copy in every synagogue but you are not allowed to show it to the Goyim). I could get in trouble for revealing this but since it seems to have leaked out anyway I don’t see the harm.

    Here is the plan:

    Step 1 Destroy the black community (fatherless homes and voluntary integration)

    Step 2 Destroy the white community (forced integration).

    Step 3 ????

    Step 4 Profit!

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  37. “Slavery in 1860” as a Euphemism for “Blacks in 2019”

    Slavery was more than blacks. It was brutish white people who rejected modernity and could not make a living with their wits so they needed physical force to enslave blacks, unlike the free labor Northerners.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Generally speaking, if all you know is what you learned through formal education, you're not well-read or knowledgeable enough to add value by commenting here.

    Slavery wasn't fully eliminated in New York until 1827. Connecticut didn't fully abolish it until 1848. Having the idea that slavery was some uniquely Southern thing requires one to be ahistorical (and silly). Having the idea that it was some uniquely American thing requires one to know virtually nothing about history or the human condition.

    At some point, after a bit of time of reading on your own and augmenting your brain-washing/education, it will dawn on you that you were fed propaganda through most of your formal schooling. At that point, perhaps you will start to connect the dots on some other things. Perhaps at some point after that you'll be ready to comment here.
    , @Jack D
    All morality aside, did it not require wits (as well as superior weaponry) for a relatively small # of white people to maintain control over a large # of slaves? Apparently the white people of Haiti did not have sufficient wit because they were not able to maintain control.

    Is it possible that Southern whites did not truly rule entirely by the lash, such that blacks were kept under control by a combination of the carrot and the stick, perhaps more carrot than stick? Once the slaves were freed, why did they not flee the oppressive South immediately or take revenge on their brutal oppressors? Were the working conditions and standard of living of the sweatshop laborers of the "free labor" Northern slums better or worse than those of the black slaves, especially given the Irish for which anything better than starving to death would have been an improvement in their condition? Why did no black ever starve to death in the South while millions of whites perished in Ireland? Of course during slavery blacks were valuable property - you wouldn't let your livestock starve, but what about AFTER the Civil War? What happened to slaves who were too old or disabled to work? Were they taken out back and shot like lame horses? What responsibility did white factory owners have to their employees at the time in like circumstances? Real life is much more complicated than a 1619 cartoon.

  38. @HammerJack

    Almost all U.S. blacks are descended from former slaves.
     
    In any recent ten-year period, more Africans have arrived in America of their own free will and at their own expense than were transported here during the entire 200+ years of the slave trade.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/02/nyregion/influx-of-african-immigrants-shifting-national-and-new-york-demographics.html

    Will the NYT remove that article, since it sort of conflicts with their latest racism initiative?

    Not to mention millions of Caribbean blacks leaving their black ruled islands where there is no racism. America OTOH is permeated with racism from day 1 to the present – that’s why they are all flocking here, so the white cops can shoot them.

  39. @anon
    Russian serfs suffered as much as black slaves for centuries, and Russians over the last 100 years suffered far more than any American blacks.
    Chinese (and Vietnamese) peasants suffered as much as black slaves, and Chinese and Vietnamese people over the last 100 years have suffered far more than American blacks.
    A black in Alabama over the last 100 years had more judicial and political rights, better food, better health care, more personal security, less chance of suffering war, famine, or massacre, than Russians, Chinese and Vietnamese during the same generations.
    The Chinese in America today are doing just fine.
    The Vietnamese in America today are doing just fine.
    The Russians in America are doing just fine.
    Meanwhile the Negroes are a permanent dysfunctional under-class.
    These comparisons show that slavery and its mythical legacy aren't causing black dysfunction.

    “Meanwhile the Negroes are a permanent dysfunctional under-class.”

    Videos of Cali homeless camps seem to be 100% white people. But maybe getting all my news from WSHH is giving me a false impression.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    It depends. In La County, there are a lot of blacks and latinos. In the OC more white homeless due to homeless being around age 50 in the OC.Looking at the map,the Bay area doesn't due much better than the Southern half of Ca. I bet this is because of some low income Asians, Hispanics, and whites in the Bay Area.
    , @William Badwhite
    https://mobile.twitter.com/streetpeoplela/status/1157676305988501505?s=12
  40. @JerryC
    McArdle is annoying. I really suspect her of being smarter than she lets on.

    McArdle is annoying. I really suspect her of being smarter than she lets on.

    You got the annoying part right.

  41. @JerryC
    McArdle is annoying. I really suspect her of being smarter than she lets on.

    I’ll trust you that she’s generally annoying, but I’ll take agreeably even an off-handed nod to The Greatest Immigrants Ever — those Germanic peoples that took the boat over with an aim, not to slog it out in the cities, but to settle the open prairie.

  42. @jcd1974
    Brings to mind the time the New York Times did a series of articles about the states with the highest homicide rates, and tried to explain away the most obvious explanation by claiming that it was due to the Southern concept of "honor".

    That’s funny, though to a certain extent this is true (that its often “honor”). One of the more depressing aspects to the extreme levels of black violence is that its not “gang warfare” etc as is commonly trotted out when the MSM can’t avoid acknowledging the violence is black. Instead it is arguments over dice games, a woman, who parked where, who “dissed” who, for seemingly any reason at all or for almost no reason at all. It seems like most any and all slights must be avenged.

    Notice how seemingly every birthday party or barbecue ends up in violence. That’s not gangs.

    That said I highly doubt they picked it up from the whites living around them, rather that its a function of low impulse control. Southern honor culture had more elaborate structures and the offending party usually had a way to avoid the violence – apologize, retract an accusation, etc.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think there was more than one version of Southern "honor" culture and you are referring to the high class one where indeed there would be a formal challenge to a duel and various procedures to be followed so that even if there was ultimately a violent contest, it happened with cool deliberation (and as you say there were many opportunities to get out of the duel without firing a shot).

    It should be noted that a duel was reserved only for men of honor - if someone of a lower class offended your honor, you were just supposed to thrash them with your cane on the spot.

    However, the lower class white version of honor did not have such rigid formalities. The same kind of arguments that result in ghetto shootings today (e.g. insulting "your woman") would have, in the past, been grounds for a fight among lower class Southern whites. However, while these contests lacked deliberation, they also lacked lethal weapons. It was understood that the mechanism for resolving such contests was the fistfight, not the pistol. There was also a certain Anglo-Saxon sense of the fair contest - you weren't just supposed to sucker punch the offender but to step outside and have a fair fight.

    Putting this in the modern black context, blacks regard themselves as being a sort of nobility (kangz) and if a commoner (even another black) take their parking spot or some such they are entitled to exact justice on the spot.
  43. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/amy_harmon/status/1163157991581003776

    anyone who wants to tweet things like this to me has to read the #1619Project first. Pass it on.

    Right, because slavery starting in America 1619 also explains why blacks fail everywhere, not just here. Thus its not genetic, or something like that.

  44. @George
    "Slavery in 1860" as a Euphemism for "Blacks in 2019"

    Slavery was more than blacks. It was brutish white people who rejected modernity and could not make a living with their wits so they needed physical force to enslave blacks, unlike the free labor Northerners.

    Generally speaking, if all you know is what you learned through formal education, you’re not well-read or knowledgeable enough to add value by commenting here.

    Slavery wasn’t fully eliminated in New York until 1827. Connecticut didn’t fully abolish it until 1848. Having the idea that slavery was some uniquely Southern thing requires one to be ahistorical (and silly). Having the idea that it was some uniquely American thing requires one to know virtually nothing about history or the human condition.

    At some point, after a bit of time of reading on your own and augmenting your brain-washing/education, it will dawn on you that you were fed propaganda through most of your formal schooling. At that point, perhaps you will start to connect the dots on some other things. Perhaps at some point after that you’ll be ready to comment here.

  45. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/amy_harmon/status/1163157991581003776

    This is called “gatekeeping” and it’s not an attractive characteristic of the modern Left. They need to read Dale Carnegie – this is not how you make friends and influence people. The specialty of the Left is preaching to the converted. Reading the 1619 Project is not going to change anyone’s mind. It’s not INTENDED to change anyone’s mind. It’s just intended to reinforce the solidarity of the Left. The Old Left actually tried to win people over (with lies, but at least they were trying). These people don’t even WANT converts if they are yucky white deplorables who might give you cooties.

    Team Hillary was probably GLAD that white deplorables didn’t vote for her – you really don’t want to be on the same side as these people. If she had been able to win without them (and that was the plan) they would have been very happy. Better to win by a bigger margin in CA where GOOD people are voting for you.

  46. @William Badwhite
    That's funny, though to a certain extent this is true (that its often "honor"). One of the more depressing aspects to the extreme levels of black violence is that its not "gang warfare" etc as is commonly trotted out when the MSM can't avoid acknowledging the violence is black. Instead it is arguments over dice games, a woman, who parked where, who "dissed" who, for seemingly any reason at all or for almost no reason at all. It seems like most any and all slights must be avenged.

    Notice how seemingly every birthday party or barbecue ends up in violence. That's not gangs.

    That said I highly doubt they picked it up from the whites living around them, rather that its a function of low impulse control. Southern honor culture had more elaborate structures and the offending party usually had a way to avoid the violence - apologize, retract an accusation, etc.

    I think there was more than one version of Southern “honor” culture and you are referring to the high class one where indeed there would be a formal challenge to a duel and various procedures to be followed so that even if there was ultimately a violent contest, it happened with cool deliberation (and as you say there were many opportunities to get out of the duel without firing a shot).

    It should be noted that a duel was reserved only for men of honor – if someone of a lower class offended your honor, you were just supposed to thrash them with your cane on the spot.

    However, the lower class white version of honor did not have such rigid formalities. The same kind of arguments that result in ghetto shootings today (e.g. insulting “your woman”) would have, in the past, been grounds for a fight among lower class Southern whites. However, while these contests lacked deliberation, they also lacked lethal weapons. It was understood that the mechanism for resolving such contests was the fistfight, not the pistol. There was also a certain Anglo-Saxon sense of the fair contest – you weren’t just supposed to sucker punch the offender but to step outside and have a fair fight.

    Putting this in the modern black context, blacks regard themselves as being a sort of nobility (kangz) and if a commoner (even another black) take their parking spot or some such they are entitled to exact justice on the spot.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    In other words, the black penchant for violence isn't something they picked up from Southern "honor culture", rather its just how they do things.

    This was just more NYT excusing black misbehavior while getting a double word score for impugning whites.
  47. @George
    "Meanwhile the Negroes are a permanent dysfunctional under-class."

    Videos of Cali homeless camps seem to be 100% white people. But maybe getting all my news from WSHH is giving me a false impression.

    It depends. In La County, there are a lot of blacks and latinos. In the OC more white homeless due to homeless being around age 50 in the OC.Looking at the map,the Bay area doesn’t due much better than the Southern half of Ca. I bet this is because of some low income Asians, Hispanics, and whites in the Bay Area.

  48. @George
    "Slavery in 1860" as a Euphemism for "Blacks in 2019"

    Slavery was more than blacks. It was brutish white people who rejected modernity and could not make a living with their wits so they needed physical force to enslave blacks, unlike the free labor Northerners.

    All morality aside, did it not require wits (as well as superior weaponry) for a relatively small # of white people to maintain control over a large # of slaves? Apparently the white people of Haiti did not have sufficient wit because they were not able to maintain control.

    Is it possible that Southern whites did not truly rule entirely by the lash, such that blacks were kept under control by a combination of the carrot and the stick, perhaps more carrot than stick? Once the slaves were freed, why did they not flee the oppressive South immediately or take revenge on their brutal oppressors? Were the working conditions and standard of living of the sweatshop laborers of the “free labor” Northern slums better or worse than those of the black slaves, especially given the Irish for which anything better than starving to death would have been an improvement in their condition? Why did no black ever starve to death in the South while millions of whites perished in Ireland? Of course during slavery blacks were valuable property – you wouldn’t let your livestock starve, but what about AFTER the Civil War? What happened to slaves who were too old or disabled to work? Were they taken out back and shot like lame horses? What responsibility did white factory owners have to their employees at the time in like circumstances? Real life is much more complicated than a 1619 cartoon.

  49. @George
    "Meanwhile the Negroes are a permanent dysfunctional under-class."

    Videos of Cali homeless camps seem to be 100% white people. But maybe getting all my news from WSHH is giving me a false impression.
  50. @Jack D
    I think there was more than one version of Southern "honor" culture and you are referring to the high class one where indeed there would be a formal challenge to a duel and various procedures to be followed so that even if there was ultimately a violent contest, it happened with cool deliberation (and as you say there were many opportunities to get out of the duel without firing a shot).

    It should be noted that a duel was reserved only for men of honor - if someone of a lower class offended your honor, you were just supposed to thrash them with your cane on the spot.

    However, the lower class white version of honor did not have such rigid formalities. The same kind of arguments that result in ghetto shootings today (e.g. insulting "your woman") would have, in the past, been grounds for a fight among lower class Southern whites. However, while these contests lacked deliberation, they also lacked lethal weapons. It was understood that the mechanism for resolving such contests was the fistfight, not the pistol. There was also a certain Anglo-Saxon sense of the fair contest - you weren't just supposed to sucker punch the offender but to step outside and have a fair fight.

    Putting this in the modern black context, blacks regard themselves as being a sort of nobility (kangz) and if a commoner (even another black) take their parking spot or some such they are entitled to exact justice on the spot.

    In other words, the black penchant for violence isn’t something they picked up from Southern “honor culture”, rather its just how they do things.

    This was just more NYT excusing black misbehavior while getting a double word score for impugning whites.

  51. @Reg Cæsar

    But, oddly enough, black illegitimacy rates weren’t all that terrible for the first 100 years after slavery

     

    Yes they were. We just don't recognize it because they were the same as for whites today.

    Tangentially (ahem) on-topic, Euclid proved 23 centuries ago with his Vertical Angle Theorem that there is nothing behind Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez but her looks:

    ∠AOC = ∠BOD

    ∠AOC - ∠BOD = 0

    I.e., she's nothing without her BOD.



    https://ncerthelp.com/mathimg/09-CH6/Concept/01.jpg

    This needs to be a t-shirt… too funny..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Thanks. Western Ontario-- which lies farther east than the bulk of the province-- could be God's Geometry Lesson. And you are at the head of the class:


    https://wowc.ca/sites/default/files/wowc_map_web.jpg


    It also resembles a dragon eating from Michigan's mitten. A regular petting zoo.

  52. What’s with the peculiar projection in the maps in this article? It’s not even Mercator projection. In these maps, the east-west border lines are either horizontal or bowed slightly upward. A more pleasing view of the 48 States would be a view as seen from a point at some altitude directly above, say, Kansas, or maybe Manitoba.

  53. @AnotherDad

    Poor Mike Lee. His dad was really smart and capable and was Solicitor General, while Mike is a sign of the weakness of the meritocracy.

    I know someone who went to law school with him. He says that he was known as the dumbest guy in his class, but surrounded by sychophants because of his father. Nepotism helped him in everything in life.

    Only a midwit could write this crap….I guess he proves my friend right……
     

    I've had the pleasure of working and scouting with several Mormon men--really first class guys. And i really admire the Mormon family orientation and their "we'll get you a job; you will clean up your act" approach to social welfare.

    Mike Lee might be a particularly idiotic guy. But there is a particular "Mormon problem" on immigration and HBD issues. Everyone is potential Mormon and they are always "looking for more". So however decent and high quality the members, their church is just ideologically adverse to really protecting the nation. More converts comes first. And it shows in the poor behavior of nominally "conservative" Mormon politicians.

    Basically it's a super-charged version of the general Christian universalism problem. (Which has also turned mainline Protestants, and even the Catholic Church and a lot of Evangelicals into enemies of the West.) The religious analog to the "more toilet paper sales!" ethos you get from some stupid/greedy businessmen here.

    Speaking as an active (and extremely committed) “Mormon”, I fully agree with your assessment. The “mission” of the Church is not to save America or Europe, but to save as many individuals as possible, resulting in a bias that (in my opinion) hurts the US and Europe.

    The disconnect between honoring and obeying the law of the land (fundamental to being a good “Mormon”) and the Church’s “don’t ask/don’t tell” policy on immigration status (allowing law breakers to be in positions of leadership) is quite disconcerting for many of us.

    One of the problems is that a vast number of “Mormons” have done missionary service in foreign countries, with Mexico and Central and South America being major destinations for such service. When they think of illegal immigrants, they think of “Brother Gonzales,” whom they baptized and knew and loved, who is a good and kind person — who has committed to the “Mormon” ethic of hard work and personal responsibility — and think, “Of course I would welcome Brother Gonzales into my country. He’d be a real asset.” They don’t think of Bro. Gonzales’ 35 gang-banger cousins who have NOT made such commitments who are also on their way here. This myopic view immigrants causes many “Mormons” to be pro-immigration.

  54. @bruce county
    This needs to be a t-shirt... too funny..

    Thanks. Western Ontario– which lies farther east than the bulk of the province– could be God’s Geometry Lesson. And you are at the head of the class:

    It also resembles a dragon eating from Michigan’s mitten. A regular petting zoo.

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