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From the New York Times:
In Torrent of Rapes in Britain, an Uncomfortable Focus on Race and Ethnicity
By KATRIN BENNHOLD NOV. 1, 2014
ROCHDALE, England — Shabir Ahmed, a delivery driver for two takeout places, did not have to go looking for young girls. Runaways and rebellious teenagers would show up at the restaurants, often hungry and cold. He slipped them free drinks and chicken tikka masala. “Call me Daddy,” he would say.
But soon, Mr. Ahmed, a father of four, would demand payback. In a room above one of the restaurants, according to testimony and evidence in later legal proceedings against him, he would play a pornographic DVD and pass around shots of vodka. Then, on a floor mattress with crumpled blue sheets and kitchen smells wafting from below, he raped them, and later forced them into sex with co-workers and friends, too.
The girls were too scared of him to talk. And when they did, no one believed them. Once, a 15-year-old got so drunk and upset that she smashed a glass counter. Mr. Ahmed and his colleagues did not hesitate to call the police. After she was released, she was coerced into sex four or five times a week, sometimes with half a dozen men at a time, in apartments and taxis around Rochdale, a town in northwest England near Manchester.
The police and other agencies were alerted more than 100 times over six years to the possibility that something very wrong was happening before Mr. Ahmed, now 61, was arrested and charged as the leader of a sexual exploitation ring that involved eight men of Pakistani descent and one Afghan. In May 2012, he was given a 19-year prison sentence for raping and abetting rape in a case involving at least 47 girls, all of them white.
Mr. Ahmed showed no remorse. He called the judge a “racist bastard,” the girls “prostitutes” and blamed white Britons for “training” their daughters in drinking and sexual activity at a young age.
The recent revelations that at least 1,400 teenage and preteenage girls had been sexually exploited over 16 years by so-called grooming gangs in another northern English city, Rotherham, stunned the nation because of the sheer scale of the abuse. And it put an uncomfortable spotlight on issues of race, religion and ethnicity in an increasingly multicultural nation: Nearly all of the rape suspects are Pakistani men, and nearly all of the victims are white.
But the problem and the slow law-enforcement response are not limited to Rotherham, where evidence files are said to have gone missing and no charges have been filed since the release two months ago of an independent report documenting the widespread abuse. …
Mr. Ahmed is a rare example in such a case of someone who has been charged, tried and convicted of rape. His case sheds light on how grooming gangs work and how they have contributed to a broader pattern of sexual abuse of children involving British celebrities, politicians, private schoolteachers and clergymen.
Mr. Ahmed’s case and a handful of others prosecuted since 2010, including in Rochdale and in Keighley in the north and in Oxford in the south, followed the same template: Mostly Asian men were found to have groomed mostly white British girls between the ages of 12 and 18, getting them to use alcohol or drugs and then forcing them to have sex, either for personal gratification or for trafficking and prostitution.
In a country already fiercely debating issues of immigration and national identity, the cases have prompted anti-Muslim demonstrations by far-right groups and some soul-searching generally. Why do British-Pakistani men figure so prominently? Were they deliberately targeting white girls and staying away from their own community? Did police and local officials turn a blind eye for fear of being accused of racism, losing votes among immigrant groups or stoking the kinds of tensions that have unleashed periodic rioting in other British towns?
Nazir Afzal, a Pakistani-Briton who is the chief crown prosecutor in charge of sexual crime, said the recent cases were not primarily about race. “It’s not the ethnicity or religion of the abusers that defines them; it’s their attitude toward women,” Mr. Afzal said in a recent interview. “These men will abuse the girls and women who are the most accessible to them, regardless of their religion or the color of their skin.”
Mr. Ahmed, he pointed out, was separately convicted of 30 counts of child rape of a Pakistani girl, a case that resulted in a 22-year prison sentence later in 2012 but that received much less media attention. Mr. Ahmed plans to appeal at the European Court of Justice, his lawyer, Naila Akhter, said.
Over the last two years alone, Mr. Afzal’s office has dealt with sex offenders from 25 countries and victims from 64. Nearly nine of every 10 convicted sexual abusers in Britain are white men, he said, and by far the most common pattern of child sexual abuse takes place not just within the same community but within the same home.
In online grooming, the fastest-growing form of abuse, with victims first contacted online, there appears to be no clear racial pattern, either.
But Mr. Afzal, who was the prosecutor in the Rochdale case after overturning a decision by his predecessor not to take the case to court, said that in the type of child sexual exploitation known as localized or on-street grooming, men of Pakistani heritage feature prominently.
White men are still the largest group at 49 percent of known offenders in this category, according to a 2012 study by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner, which identified 2,409 victims over a 14-month period across England even before the Rotherham report was published. But at 33 percent, “Asian men” — most commonly referring to Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis and Afghans — were disproportionately represented, given that they represent just over 7 percent of the population.
Of course, the point of the Rotherham report was that the cops had been ignoring arresting Pakistani pimps to avoid getting in trouble for racism.
One reason, officials, scholars and community workers suggest, is practical rather than cultural: Nighttime industries like taxi-driving and takeout restaurants have been at the heart of many grooming networks, offering points of contact with vulnerable girls far away from parental supervision.
Pakistanis work in disproportionate numbers in both. In the Rochdale case, eight of the nine perpetrators drove taxis or worked at two takeout restaurants. (One taxi company in Rochdale said it now provides white drivers on request.)
“The victims are often desperate for warmth, transport, food and sometimes drugs and alcohol,” said Ray McMorrow, a health specialist for the National Working Group, a charitable network based in Derby. “They gravitate toward these men who then take advantage of them.”
Similarly, here in the United States, as we all know, Pizza Hut is really just a front for a giant nationwide statutory rape ring.
Oh, wait, that’s not, technically, true. I take that back. Sorry, Pizza Hut lawyer dudes!
Or remember the beloved TV sitcom “Taxi” about a zany gang of pimps and rapists led by head whoremaster Danny DeVito, in which handsome Tony Danza sweet talks junior high school girls into being gangbanged while Judd Hirsch provides the financial brains of the operation? As you’ll recall, Andy Kaufman and Christopher Lloyd play wacky psychokillers who sometime go a little too far with the adolescent girls, forcing clapped-out veteran hookers Marilu Henner, Carol Kane, and Rhea Perlman to clean up their messes?
Excuse me, I’ve just been informed by the Estate of Andy Kaufman, the New York Taxi Workers Alliance, and the extremely well-paid lawyers of James L. Brooks that I must cease and desist mischaracterizing both the show Taxi and cab drivers in general, and explain that I was just projecting the rationale of this New York Times article onto things that aren’t actually like the Pakistani grooming gangs at all.
My mistake.
“There are anecdotes of the girls being racially stereotyped as white sluts or white trash, but it’s hard to say how much of that is racism and sectarianism and how much is classic sexual offender behavior belittling the victims,” he said.
Others suspect a cultural misogyny rooted in a very patriarchal Muslim society in which men exert high levels of control over women. “This could give rise to a culture in which it is more acceptable to treat women and girls with contempt,” said Sue Berelowitz, Britain’s deputy children’s commissioner.
Mr. Afzal recalls listening to Mr. Shabir in Rochdale during the trial. “He would ask: ‘What am I doing here? I have done nothing wrong,’ ” Mr. Afzal said. “He said he was doing what everyone else was doing.”
With the police looking the other way and more and more men getting involved in the abuse, there was a culture of permissibility, Mr. Afzal said.
A powerful culture of shame and honor surrounding premarital sex, including rape, among some Asian Muslims, may also have skewed the victim statistics. Honor and shame certainly proved an effective tool when Mr. Shabir blackmailed his Asian victim into silence during a decade of regular abuse. “You are damaged goods,” he would tell her, threatening to force her into marriage if she spoke up, Mr. Afzal recalled. Asian victims of sexual abuse are three times less likely to come forward than white victims, he said, citing Home Office data.
“They fear not just their rapists,” said Shaista Gohir, chairwoman of the Muslim Women’s Network U.K. “They fear their own community and their own family: They fear honor crime, forced marriage and being shunned and ostracized for bringing shame to their family.”
Taking the cultural dimension of grooming seriously without overstating it is difficult, said Ms. Berelowitz, the deputy children’s commissioner.
“We shouldn’t ignore patterns that could alert us to victims and perpetrators that might otherwise be hidden and that might be linked to faith and ethnicity,” Ms. Berelowitz said. “But if we think the stereotype of the Asian abuser and the white victim is all that’s going on, it’s very dangerous.”
And that’s the final word on the subject.
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White men are still the largest group at 49 percent of known offenders in this category, according to a 2012 study by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner, which identified 2,409 victims over a 14-month period across England even before the Rotherham report was published.
Since white men are far more numerous, the absolute number involved in such crimes will be higher.
Remember this lady?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084702/BBC-Radio-host-sacked-taxi-firm-requesting-non-Asian-driver.html
“””””White men are still the largest group at 49 percent of known offenders in this category“””””even before the Rotherham report was published.””””
Since the police and politicians ignored the Muslim raping then the previous statistics were wrong. You can make statistics come out any way you want if you ignore some of the numbers
As obfuscatory as this article may be, at least the NYT is reporting on the isssue. I expected nothing but silence.
“White men are still the largest group at 49 percent of known offenders in this category, ”
Britain’s still about 80% white, so that’s hardly surprising; Pakistanis are grossly over-represented in any case. I also have a hard time believing that white Britons routinely form the kind of grooming networks seen in Rochdale and similar cases.
“White men are still the largest group at 49 percent of known offenders in this category, according to a 2012 study by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner, which identified 2,409 victims over a 14-month period across England even before the Rotherham report was published.”
The person who wrote the article forgot to mention that White people make up 87 percent of England’s population. So Whites are actually significantly underrepresented among the country’s sex offenders at 49 percent.
Is there any category of crime that White people are not underrepresented in ?
Incidentally, the late breaking news is that the prosecutors are deliberately “capping” the number of Pak men who are prosecuted for their sex slavery. The excuse they’re using is “lack of resources.” I think they’re trying to get the story in and out of the media ASAP so it’s not in the media when elections are held in May. You know how that goes, someone might campaign on the line of: If you want your daughter raped by your Pak neighbour, vote Labour.”
“In Torrent of Rapes in Britain, an Uncomfortable Focus on Race and Ethnicity”
If it was a sex ring of White Christian British Chav men pimping Pakistani Muslim girls, I doubt very much The New York Times would be uncomfortable focusing on the racial aspect of it.
“”The Stereotype of the Asian Abuser and the White Victim”
Just like the stereotype of the vicious cold blooded White killer and the innocent kind gentle Black victim, right New York Times ?
This is what the New York Times identifies as the “real danger” in the Rotherham case? Thinking improperly? 1984 has finally arrived.
The jewish 'golden age' was moorish spain - when white christian women were sex slaves. Subconsciously that's where the pakis and jewish elite want to migrateReplies: @Whiskey
But Pak&Jam® together control 51% of the market. (The “known” market, that is.)
And how many of the “white” men could pass for this girl‘s brother?
In America, when José is the victim of a hate crime, he’s Hispanic. When he commits one, he’s white. Is the same thing going on in the UK?
Whites are still over 90% of the British population (though sadly not for long), and that study counts only perps, not victims. To say that white men aren’t even half of the perps is to say that minorities are *hugely* overrepresented among the child molesters.
Buggery is no longer a crime.
Sorry: I couldn’t get past the “Torrent of Rapes” part. Not a formulation I’ve ever seen before.
If you really think about this in marxists terms, the pakistani rapists are the victims, the white girls getting raped is ‘justice’
White girls: victims
Pakistani men: victims
White men: vicarious perps
We should applaud the white men of the Rotherham police for checking their privilege and refraining from unjustly arresting the Pakistani men for so long, until the evil right-wing media forced their hand.
“This is what the New York Times identifies as the “real danger” in the Rotherham case? ”
The jewish ‘golden age’ was moorish spain – when white christian women were sex slaves. Subconsciously that’s where the pakis and jewish elite want to migrate
HAD TO TAKE REFUGE IN FRANCE.
Let that sink in a bit. At the most "tolerant" Muslim syncretic place in the Med, even Muslims who did not agree to every bit of standard Islami[c dogma had to flee for their lives.
Jews mostly don't like the whole part of PC/Multiculturalism -- as Naftali Bennett of Netanyahu's government noted, European governments pander to their Muslim voters and thus are innately anti-Israel, and there is no point in trying to appease them because as long as Israel exists in his words, so will Muslim hatred. [On the subject of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, FT, several weeks ago.]
What IS indisputable is the mixture of status-mongering, CHEAP LABOR-ism, Christian pacifism and one world utopia (see: Pope Francis) affecting the mainstream culture. Jews in Europe are voting with their feet -- leaving. So it would be fair to say Jewish revealed preference is for places absent of Muslims.
There are other things about this incident that are going to reverberate.
“Or remember the beloved TV sitcom “Taxi” about a zany gang of pimps and rapists led by head whoremaster Danny DeVito, in which handsome Tony Danza sweet talks junior high school girls into being gangbanged while Judd Hirsch provides the financial brains of the operation? As you’ll recall, Andy Kaufman and Christopher Lloyd play wacky psychokillers who sometime go a little too far with the adolescent girls, forcing clapped-out veteran hookers Marilu Henner, Carol Kane, and Rhea Perlman to clean up their messes?”
The TV show Taxi ran from 1978 to 1983. You no longer saw any White cab drivers in New York City after 1983, lol.
Not true. In the late 80s and 90s, the cab drivers were most frequently Russian. No longer, though.
I know one thing. Muslim sure are screwing the Brits in more ways than one!
This is just the beginning – the left/globalist elite really mean this – white girls getting forced into sex slavery is not a concern -it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
Over what time frame? Probably includes all living, convicted sex offenders (i.e. going back 50+ years). If so, it’ll take awhile for minority rapists to make a dent in that statistic.
never underestimate the globalist elite/left to blatantly lie or crazily tweak stats.
Its just like reading Pravda where you could figure out that there had been a plane crash by the number of articles about poor air safety in the West.
You can figure out which minorities have been behaving badly by reading the NY Times and have them tell you who you shouldn’t be subject of racism.
“I am women hear me roar! Oh, wait, I guess not, never mind.”
“Over what time frame?”
never underestimate the globalist elite/left to blatantly lie or crazily tweak stats.
Dear Zed
For your edification:
“The Commission’s own figures show that only half the predicted number of White perpetrators were actually found (43% versus 88%), twice the number of “mixed” ethnicity (3.8% versus 1.8%), almost 5 times the number of Asians (33% versus 6.7%) and almost 7 times the numbers of Blacks (19% versus 2.8%).”
One or two in the British Blogosphere has been discussing missing kids and the possibility that they may have been “disappeared”. Does anyone have any more information on this?
Divide the percent of black perps by the black share of the population. Do the same for whites. Then divide those two numbers to get the relative likelihood of blacks v. whites:
(19/2.8) / (43/88) = 13.9
Here's the same for Asians v. whites:
(33/6.7) / (43/88) = 10.1
So in Britain, Blacks and Asians are, respectively, 14x and 10x as likely as whites to be perps - or basically twice what the comparisons to "the general population" suggest. That's because the denominator is pretty close to 1/2.
Left wing Feminists at The New York Times are always defending Islam, yet I bet most if not all of them would never in a million years date an extremely strict religious Muslim man who wants his woman entirely covered up in public with the exception of her eyes.
A left wing Feminist woman who refuses to date/marry a Muslim man is a racist Islamophobe who looks down on vibrant diversity. She needs to attend diversity training classes and White privilege seminars to shed herself of her White supremacy behavior.
““I am women hear me roar! Oh, wait, I guess not, never mind.”
Left wing Feminists are too scared to roar when Muslim alpha male Habib is around because his pimp hand is way strong. Muhammad the Muslim alpha male would show a left wing Feminist like Wendy Davis that her only purpose in life is to spread her legs for him and to cook him dinner. No left wing Feminist would dare talk back and defy a vibrantly diverse Muslim alpha male.
I wish the Brits would stop saying “Asians” when they really mean Muslim pakistanis.
“Nearly nine of every 10 convicted sexual abusers in Britain are white men”
The US sex offender registry if filled with men listed as “white” whose skin is brown as feces. Look at the Texas 10 most wanted list for the face of “white” crime not a single real white there. If your crack addled mind is correct then that means that 18,000 little girls have been raped by whites in that town.
Where are all the feminists that said the woman that blew 24 guys on video at a bar to win a contest was raped when she found out the prize was not worth thousands of dollars but was an oddly named mixed drink? I think they should be speaking out on this.
“Pakistanis work in disproportionate numbers in both. In the Rochdale case, eight of the nine perpetrators drove taxis or worked at two takeout restaurants. (One taxi company in Rochdale said it now provides white drivers on request.)”
If the NYTimes is to be believed, the use of white drivers wouldn’t reduce the rape frequency, so why bother.
Steve, thank you for reading The New York Times so that we don’t have to.
I was a subscriber for many years, partly because I couldn’t quite believe that real newspapers were as dead as Dick Cheney’s conscience. However, I finally threw in the towel on Friday. The censorship and ham-fisted political correctness finally exceeded my patience.
The TV show Taxi ran from 1978 to 1983. You no longer saw any White cab drivers in New York City after 1983, lol.Replies: @Anonymous
“You no longer saw any White cab drivers in New York City after 1983, lol.”
Not true. In the late 80s and 90s, the cab drivers were most frequently Russian. No longer, though.
No, no, the white girls are still victims, they’re just the indirect victims of white men. It’s like what that brilliant writer at Slate wrote about catcalling. Men of color have to rape white women because white men have unjustly disempowered them in society. Here’s the breakdown:
White girls: victims
Pakistani men: victims
White men: vicarious perps
We should applaud the white men of the Rotherham police for checking their privilege and refraining from unjustly arresting the Pakistani men for so long, until the evil right-wing media forced their hand.
Thanks for raising that Zed, it’s always useful to have a reminder regarding the term per capita. White people make up well over 80% of the population of the UK (somewhat less in England) Good to know that 80% of the population commit only 49% of those offences. Any idea who might be taking up that, not inconsiderable, slack?
For your edification:
"The Commission’s own figures show that only half the predicted number of White perpetrators were actually found (43% versus 88%), twice the number of “mixed” ethnicity (3.8% versus 1.8%), almost 5 times the number of Asians (33% versus 6.7%) and almost 7 times the numbers of Blacks (19% versus 2.8%)."
One or two in the British Blogosphere has been discussing missing kids and the possibility that they may have been "disappeared". Does anyone have any more information on this?Replies: @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Brutusale
Comparisons of crime rates to “the general population” often deceive because the general population includes the group you’re comparing. In America, for example, blacks commit 4x as many murders as “the general population,” but are 8x as likely as non-blacks to murder.
Same goes for these stats. I’m too lazy to do the math right now, but if the stats are accurate, then Asians and blacks are each about 10-15x as likely as whites to commit these crimes. So it’s far worse than even those numbers make it seem.
(My earlier comment is obviously redundant, I didnt read all the others making the same point before posting. Pretty sure Zed/Ted is posting ironically btw)
Thousands of white children raped by Arab men, Arab men hardest hit.
Yeah.
The worst crime of all.
Being White.
All of this talk about how our current cultural rulers are either hypocritical or silly or disingenuous is pathetic. If a white gang of perverts did this to huge numbers of Paki girls, you can bet that there would be hell to pay. Murders, riots and beat downs would be the order of the day for weeks if not months, regardless of the price to be paid – correctly so.
Yet, the same thing happens to whites and all you see is leftists blaming white men and the very few reasonable white men muttering on chat groups such as this about how unfair it all is.
Derbyshire was right: White people are pussies – or, at least, have become pussies.
Yes, I understand how the entire system is against us. But do you think that would stop other races from defending themselves. Has history ever seen a spectacle such as this? A race so able to defend themselves willfully allowing other races to beat the crap out of them, and then apologizing for it. It’s simply bizarre and makes me wonder whether we deserve to stick around.
I have two children and am seriously beginning to wonder whether it would be better if they married some conquistador Americans, something inconceivable to me just a few years ago. Yet, I don’t want my grandchildren to act like whites do. I want them to show some pride in who they are. To stand up for who they are. To my utter despair, I just don’t see that in whites.
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“Nazir Afzal, a Pakistani-Briton who is the chief crown prosecutor in charge of sexual crime”
Explains a great deal right there.
A very good point, one that should be made more often.
(My earlier comment is obviously redundant, I didnt read all the others making the same point before posting. Pretty sure Zed/Ted is posting ironically btw)
The NYT piece omits the word “Islam,” whose unholy book classifies all “infidels” as belonging to Dar al Harb – the House of War, which is the “infidel” world that Islam regards as making endless war against Islam (Islam classifies Moslems as belonging to Dar al Islam – the House Of Islam/ Submission). In Islam all “infidels” in the House of War are fair game for Moslems to oppress, use, abuse, or persecute. One of Moslems’ signature tactics has always been to kill “infidel” men and to take captive “infidel” women whom Moslems force to convert to Islam to bear more Moslem children for jihad.
The New York Times is either ignorant of Islam, or The New York Times does not want its readers to know how Islam and Moslems operate and have always operated. You may judge which of those two motives is behind The New York Times’ Blame Racist White People Not “Asians” “reporting” on Rochdale and Rotherham, and on Nidal Hasan’s jihad mass-murder of fourteen Americans at Fort Hood, the Moslem Tsarnaev brothers’ jihad bombing of the Boston Marathon (and their prior murder of Jews), last week’s two jihadi murderers in Canada, and all the other instances of Moslems waging jihad against “infidels” in the way that Moslems have always waged jihad against “infidels.”
ISIS is merely one of the violent jihad arms of Islam – the stick part of Islam, then you have CAIR, INSA, the MSA, and all the other carrot parts of Islam’s “by fraud, or by force”* operations modus operandi.
*Today our Dear Rulers do not want you and me to know what Islam is or how it continues to operate as it has always operated. John Quincy Adams had Islam nailed:
“The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.”
And that’s why, of course without bothering to mention Islam, The New York Times said, “Mr. Afzal recalls listening to Mr. Shabir in Rochdale during the trial. ‘He would ask: ‘What am I doing here? I have done nothing wrong,’ Mr. Afzal said. ‘He said he was doing what everyone else was doing.’”
Because to Moslems, grooming and raping as Shabir and his fellow Moslems groomed and raped is not wrong, it is merely waging jihad in complete accordance with Islam’s unholy book.
For your edification:
"The Commission’s own figures show that only half the predicted number of White perpetrators were actually found (43% versus 88%), twice the number of “mixed” ethnicity (3.8% versus 1.8%), almost 5 times the number of Asians (33% versus 6.7%) and almost 7 times the numbers of Blacks (19% versus 2.8%)."
One or two in the British Blogosphere has been discussing missing kids and the possibility that they may have been "disappeared". Does anyone have any more information on this?Replies: @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Brutusale
General population comparisons vs. relative comparisons: blacks in Britain are about 7x as likely as the general population to be perps, but 13.9x as likely as whites to be perps:
Divide the percent of black perps by the black share of the population. Do the same for whites. Then divide those two numbers to get the relative likelihood of blacks v. whites:
(19/2.8) / (43/88) = 13.9
Here’s the same for Asians v. whites:
(33/6.7) / (43/88) = 10.1
So in Britain, Blacks and Asians are, respectively, 14x and 10x as likely as whites to be perps – or basically twice what the comparisons to “the general population” suggest. That’s because the denominator is pretty close to 1/2.
The rape of one girl is a crime, the rape of 1,400 is a statistic.
The jewish 'golden age' was moorish spain - when white christian women were sex slaves. Subconsciously that's where the pakis and jewish elite want to migrateReplies: @Whiskey
Unlikely. The “Golden Age” was fairly standard Muslim repression of conquered peoples. Compared to oh say, the Holocaust Jewish people were not targeted for systematic extermination. But compared to oh, say Italy of the same time period, Jews were persecuted. Along with Christians, and let it be said, non-standard Muslims like Averroes. Lost in the maudlin Multiculti PC nonsense was the indisputable fact that Averroes, the paragon of Muslim free-thinking …
HAD TO TAKE REFUGE IN FRANCE.
Let that sink in a bit. At the most “tolerant” Muslim syncretic place in the Med, even Muslims who did not agree to every bit of standard Islami[c dogma had to flee for their lives.
Jews mostly don’t like the whole part of PC/Multiculturalism — as Naftali Bennett of Netanyahu’s government noted, European governments pander to their Muslim voters and thus are innately anti-Israel, and there is no point in trying to appease them because as long as Israel exists in his words, so will Muslim hatred. [On the subject of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, FT, several weeks ago.]
What IS indisputable is the mixture of status-mongering, CHEAP LABOR-ism, Christian pacifism and one world utopia (see: Pope Francis) affecting the mainstream culture. Jews in Europe are voting with their feet — leaving. So it would be fair to say Jewish revealed preference is for places absent of Muslims.
There are other things about this incident that are going to reverberate.
The reason of course the NYT, a distant newspaper in a distant land, takes the part of Muslim (who are not popular to put it mildly amongst their Jewish readership in New York City) is the eternal war on White men.
White middle and upper class women, and likely lower class White women as well, hate hate hate White guys. The latter two, for not being sexy/dominant, and instead being too much like Wally and Dilbert. That’s basically it. [White working class women likely hate hate hate working class White men for not making more money.]
Yeah, OF COURSE White women hate White men. Look at the advertising. Look at what White women say, constantly. Its one complaint after another. Never, EVER an appreciation. Oh no, not that. White women have all this sexual freedom, and as Whorefinder points out, only a tiny fraction of men they find attractive. No wonder they are bitter and angry and supportive of ANY dominant non-White male population. So that’s the NYT — written by and for angry White women bitter over Wally and Dilbert. And holding a grudge.
Now the likelihood of behavior change is going to be fairly large. The media can say all they like, “its racist” etc. to say the sun rises in the East. But … people know that being around Pakistanis means your daughter is raped. Taking a cab means risking rape. Voting Labor means more rape of White girls whose parents don’t live in South-east England.
The first actions will be work-arounds. Informal taxis, the growth of Uber and such with non-Pakistani, White drivers. Or friends driving friends around for some informal compensation. The collapse of public transport (too risky for women). Private schooling to keep out the Pakis.
The second will be action. Places like fast food joints, taxi stands, are vulnerable as the people of Ferguson MO found. A mob, with sufficient disguises, in sufficient force, with sufficient surprise can do what it wants even when the Authorities are determined to act (as they were not in Ferguson). People who don’t like their daughters raped and know that a Muslim prosecutor will not act (a sure bet for most cases) can get not justice certainly but revenge by burning down Muslim owned fast food joints and Muslim taxis. A reverse French Car-b-Que, where Muslim “youths” burn French owned cars.
Muslims of course will put tremendous pressure on the Government to act as their own militia, while organizing their own Jihad. And jihadis. With pointed acts of violence to make things even more clear. Suppress the natives or face full fledged Jihad! At which point the Government will face a crisis as there is one thing different about England than say, America.
White flight is far more difficult. Credit is tighter, the housing market tighter, mobility lesser, class distinctions more present. IMHO we are seeing a turning fairly rapidly of the lower White classes against their Upper Class masters over the issue of Pakistani Rape Gangs acting with impunity.
Diversity in the US caused massive White population movement; whole sections of Southern California that were White are now no longer. That sort of flight to avoid fight is just not possible in places like the UK. Or France. Or Germany.
Cheap labor is very expensive.
“Ms. Berelowitz said. “But if we think the stereotype of the Asian abuser and the white victim is all that’s going on, it’s very dangerous.””
I wonder if she could give a single example of anyone who thinks 100% of the sexual abuse in Britain is Asian on white.
On the other hand we have real, documented examples of officials who wouldn’t stop this abuse because they were afraid doing so would promote racism.
And after all that, what do we end up with? More officials whose primary concern is that the exposure of these rape gangs will promote racism, warning us about the “very dangerous” [white] people who think 100% rapists are Asian men, with no evidence that any such people exist.
No matter what happens, it’s always white people who are the problem, it’s whites who have to be intensely scrutinized because they are the real danger. The tyranny half of anarcho-tyranny.
What can you call this except anti-white bigotry? When you come across ideas this paranoid, this obsessive, this irrational, hatred is the best explanation. Hatred deranges the mind, it has always done this, modern hatred of whites is just the latest example.
In communism, whenever anything bad happens it is always because of capitalists. In Nazism, it is always Jews who are the problem. In modern leftism, it is always whites who are the problem.
And this anti-white bigotry coming from the most powerful officials is far more dangerous than fictitious whites who hold non-existent stereotypes.
Most Muslim men barely treat women better than cockroaches and left wing feminists act like they see nothing and hear nothing.
Mitt Romney mentions “binders full of women” in regards to resumes of female job applicants and left wing feminists heads explode.
Yet who is more likely to be a gentlemen and treat women with respect and still believe in chivalry, Mitt Romney or the average Muslim man on the streets ?
Mitt Romney mentions "binders full of women" in regards to resumes of female job applicants and left wing feminists heads explode.
Yet who is more likely to be a gentlemen and treat women with respect and still believe in chivalry, Mitt Romney or the average Muslim man on the streets ?Replies: @Steve Sailer
I always suspected that _Mrs._ Romney really peeved Democratic single women voters with her 43 year long marriage to a handsome, rich, smart, nice man, her five children, and her 23 grandchildren: You can just tell that smug bitch thinks she made better decisions than I did? Well, I’ll show her in the voting booth!
“Of course, the point of the Rotherham report was that the cops had been ignoring arresting Pakistani pimps to avoid getting in trouble for racism.”
The police did not do their duty for the age old reasons. Laziness, lack of bureaucratic accountability and the futility of keeping troubled teens away from the sex industry. It is true that the largely white and well paid police are distant from those they police and have little knowledge of what goes on with South Asians and poor whites.
It should be noted that Berelowitz, along with Labour honcho Margaret Hodge, were involved in covering up a very horrific child abuse scandal in north London back in the 80s.
Just some food for thought.
The relevent statistics would be what the fractions of white men vs Asian Muslims are involved in such activity.
Since white men are far more numerous, the absolute number involved in such crimes will be higher.
“But if we think the stereotype of the Asian abuser and the white victim is all that’s going on, it’s very dangerous.”
The BBC already took care of this: Asian girls ‘also victims of sex grooming’ in Rotherham. So they can stop worrying.
“There is an ongoing investigation and I can’t speak to the particulars of the investigation or any motivation of the suspects. We have to be careful, because we can’t jump to conclusions now based on little snippets of information that have come out. I am concerned that this increased speculation could result in a backlash against some of our Muslim neighbors.
As great a tragedy as the rape, initimidation, and exploitation of these girls was, it would be a shame if our diversity became a casualty as well.”
— General George Casey, weighing in on the investigation
Incidentally, the late breaking news is that the prosecutors are deliberately “capping” the number of Pak men who are prosecuted for their sex slavery.
See Meet England’s top law enforcement executives.
Also Monkeys guarding the bananas, which asks a question: Who do you think the Crown Prosecution Service appoints as lead on child sexual abuse? One guess.
Lastly, this comment at the last link, which shows how non-whites increasingly dominate the CPS, especially in some areas where they hold top positions.
A Pakistani 61 year old fast food delivery driver.
That’s just about as low status and unattractive as a man could possibly get in contemporary England. If it was ‘sugar daddies’ these girls were after, surely they could have dine better than that?
You think a poor girl in foster care should find a higher-status sugar daddy? How can a person even type something like that? The suggested scenario isn't letting anyone off the hook just explaining how they got access but you have to make it an opportunity to mock the tragically naive victims, blame them, imply they are prostitutes?
Very disturbing post and comment thread, and this from someone who is really angry at feminists for not talking more about this and initially glad someone was holding their feet to the fire.
Unfortunately the poor child victims are being used politically here also. "Yay we white guys never do this shit!" Well I just followed a link to a video this morning of a white guy teaching other white guys how to take advantage of passive Japanese girls on the streets of Tokyo.
And the NYT is correct that the lion's share of victims are being abused in the home, and I'd like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it.Replies: @Wilkey, @IBC
That is pretty much a textbook specimen for the “hacklash” meme (cf. “The Ebola Hacklash;” “Veterans Affairs Hacklash;” “Healthcare.gov 404 Hacklash”)
“Let’s not everybody get all worked up about this obvious scandal; a panicked reaction would be the far worse evil, or any type of reaction really”
If anyone reading iSteve really, truly doubts or denies that the totem pole of race/gender grievance hierarchy
actually exists, and the cult of its worship at the NYT isn’t fevered and fanatical, then here’s your proof.
Nothing, nothing will stop the NYT and its cohorts from exploiting the Trayvon and Michael Brown cases right to the utmost hilt in an effort to tarnish and destroy white men whilst promoting the meme that thuggish young blacks are somehow innocent little sacrificial lambs slaughtered by nasty, evil, white male bullies.
Knowing Pakistanis like I do, then it is very, very likely that a Pakistani bribed a white British cop, most likely someone very senior, with a large amount of cash, to destroy the evidence file. Or, perhaps, the co was either bribed or compromised with sexual favors from a teen prostitute.
I always thought that the Brits, through their years spent ruling India, knew the typical Pakistani character.
I mean, has the Warren Hastings incident, or the disgusting perfidy of the Indian mutineers at Lucknow – where they butchered British women and children – simply been forgotten?
I mean, has the Warren Hastings incident, or the disgusting perfidy of the Indian mutineers at Lucknow – where they butchered British women and children – simply been forgotten?"
We have a 1984-ish culture where a lot of effort goes into erasing knowledge. Most British schoolchildren have never even heard of the Raj, never mind Lucknow.
I guess when my son gets a bit older I should reread him the relevant part of 'Our Island Story', a children's history of Britain from 1905 that does cover the various massacres of white women & children during the British rule of India. He's certainly not going to hear about it in school.Replies: @Numinous, @IBC
Yes, they rape their own girls too – but those are relatives, nieces and cousins, typically in the same house with them.
The vital point is the attitude of the mostly-white authorities, in covering up and facilitating the indiustrial-scale abuse of white girls. The Pakistani and Afghan etc men would still be abusing girls (and boys) back in their own countries, but it’s the authorities who enable them to abuse tens of thousands of white girls in England.
The Rotherham story gives the lie to the oft-quoted myth that somehow Pakistanis were imported into Britain in order to ‘rebuild British industry after world war 2’
Now, I’ve never been to Rotherham, but I do know that this south Yorkshire town was a center of the mining and steel industries. I can absolutely guarantee you that not a single Pakistani ever worked down the pits. I also very much doubt that they ever worked in the steel mills.
So why did successive British governments bring them in?
To do such vital, vital work as to fry chicken and drive cabs, it seems.
So why did successive British governments bring them in?"
Supposedly to work in the textile industry, I think. Perhaps before they did that the British govt should have read the stats in Farewell to Alms comparing 1930s British & Indian textile-worker productivity...
Britain: 6 looms per worker (vs 8 in USA!)
India: 2 workers per loom (plus an overseer per 2 looms)
Giving rather less than 1/12 the productivity per capita.Replies: @Numinous
See Meet England's top law enforcement executives.
Also Monkeys guarding the bananas, which asks a question: Who do you think the Crown Prosecution Service appoints as lead on child sexual abuse? One guess.
Lastly, this comment at the last link, which shows how non-whites increasingly dominate the CPS, especially in some areas where they hold top positions.Replies: @Simon in London
I noticed a while ago that the British Immigration Tribunal judges in the news all seem to be Pakistani; at least some were/are using their positions to let in Muslim ‘refugees’ and keep out Christians.
I always thought that the Brits, through their years spent ruling India, knew the typical Pakistani character.
I mean, has the Warren Hastings incident, or the disgusting perfidy of the Indian mutineers at Lucknow - where they butchered British women and children - simply been forgotten?Replies: @Simon in London
“I always thought that the Brits, through their years spent ruling India, knew the typical Pakistani character.
I mean, has the Warren Hastings incident, or the disgusting perfidy of the Indian mutineers at Lucknow – where they butchered British women and children – simply been forgotten?”
We have a 1984-ish culture where a lot of effort goes into erasing knowledge. Most British schoolchildren have never even heard of the Raj, never mind Lucknow.
I guess when my son gets a bit older I should reread him the relevant part of ‘Our Island Story’, a children’s history of Britain from 1905 that does cover the various massacres of white women & children during the British rule of India. He’s certainly not going to hear about it in school.
There was enough barbarity in 1857 on both sides to make one sick to the stomach. You should read Andrew Ward's "Our Bones are Scattered" for a well-researched account of the events. There's a good reason why British schoolkids are not taught much about their history in the subcontinent in the 19th century, especially 1857. It'd be a deeply shameful one.Replies: @Simon in London, @PSR
I haven't read Our Island Story, but I'll agree with you that many students in the UK these days probably don't hear much about the Raj beyond that it was bad, and that they're more likely to hear about British troops killing women and children at Amritsar, than about Indian rebels killing women and children at Bibigarh.
Now, I've never been to Rotherham, but I do know that this south Yorkshire town was a center of the mining and steel industries. I can absolutely guarantee you that not a single Pakistani ever worked down the pits. I also very much doubt that they ever worked in the steel mills.
So why did successive British governments bring them in?
To do such vital, vital work as to fry chicken and drive cabs, it seems.Replies: @Simon in London
“I also very much doubt that they ever worked in the steel mills.
So why did successive British governments bring them in?”
Supposedly to work in the textile industry, I think. Perhaps before they did that the British govt should have read the stats in Farewell to Alms comparing 1930s British & Indian textile-worker productivity…
Britain: 6 looms per worker (vs 8 in USA!)
India: 2 workers per loom (plus an overseer per 2 looms)
Giving rather less than 1/12 the productivity per capita.
I mean, has the Warren Hastings incident, or the disgusting perfidy of the Indian mutineers at Lucknow – where they butchered British women and children – simply been forgotten?"
We have a 1984-ish culture where a lot of effort goes into erasing knowledge. Most British schoolchildren have never even heard of the Raj, never mind Lucknow.
I guess when my son gets a bit older I should reread him the relevant part of 'Our Island Story', a children's history of Britain from 1905 that does cover the various massacres of white women & children during the British rule of India. He's certainly not going to hear about it in school.Replies: @Numinous, @IBC
He’s not going to hear about it because it didn’t happen. By the way, the relevant incident took place in Kanpur (British rendering: Cawnpore), not Lucknow. British women and children who had been granted safe refuge were found massacred at the bottom of a well by the British soldiers when they retook the city. The Indian soldiers furiously denied the deed, which was probably committed by enraged civilians who had lost relatives to British reprisals. This was the only incident of civilian massacres by the Indians, which though got embellished by the British, who made it seem as if such massacres were commonplace. And, by the way, leading up these massacres were the actions of the British soliders, particularly one of the Highland regiments, who traipsed around the countryside hanging people from trees; many of these people were innocent and unarmed (and children), their sin was not supporting the British and providing them with supplies. And after the battles were largely done and over with, the favorite means of revenge employed by the British was blowing off their prisoners from the mouths of cannons.
There was enough barbarity in 1857 on both sides to make one sick to the stomach. You should read Andrew Ward’s “Our Bones are Scattered” for a well-researched account of the events. There’s a good reason why British schoolkids are not taught much about their history in the subcontinent in the 19th century, especially 1857. It’d be a deeply shameful one.
Our Island Story has at least three I can think of, including the Black Hole of Calcutta. Of course I'm sure the British in India were more sinning than sinned against, and Our Island Story rather draws a discrete veil over British Imperial atrocities in India, South Africa, et al.
The point is not that "we are good and they are bad", simply that "they are bad". Of course the cultural Marxists would say that 'we' - in this case our young women - deserve to be abused, because of what 'we' did in other countries long ago, or perhaps even what 'we' did in eg Iraq quite recently. I would disagree with this argument. Those young girls are not responsible for Tony Blair, they are just as much the victims of Blair & co as are the Baghdad librarians my wife met at a library conference in 2002, who are probably both dead now.Replies: @Numinous
Yes, wouldn't want them to know their ancestors introduced modern roads, canals, railroads, universities, hospitals, a competent civil service and a national government to what had been a collection of backward and corrupt tribes.
So why did successive British governments bring them in?"
Supposedly to work in the textile industry, I think. Perhaps before they did that the British govt should have read the stats in Farewell to Alms comparing 1930s British & Indian textile-worker productivity...
Britain: 6 looms per worker (vs 8 in USA!)
India: 2 workers per loom (plus an overseer per 2 looms)
Giving rather less than 1/12 the productivity per capita.Replies: @Numinous
You should check out this review of Clark’s book. Whether or not staffing is related to productivity is debatable. Jobs in less developed countries may often be sinecures. Plus the low wages make it economically feasible for employers to hire more people just to watch each others’ backs. It seems other studies indicate that the same workers who emigrate to developed countries end up working at the prevailing efficiency standards in their host countries.
Whites have a higher standard of living than other groups. Hardly evidence of ow status or oppression
Fraud, embezzlement, anything you need a brain for…can we get numbers on this?
I know a lot of young-single-Democrat-in-the-city types, and it’s more about hating the rich in Romney’s case in particular; there’s also concern about abortion, gay rights, etc. Resentment of married women seems pretty much limited to lesbians; the young-single-girl types who provide the votes (not the leadership) think they’ll wind up that way someday.
There was enough barbarity in 1857 on both sides to make one sick to the stomach. You should read Andrew Ward's "Our Bones are Scattered" for a well-researched account of the events. There's a good reason why British schoolkids are not taught much about their history in the subcontinent in the 19th century, especially 1857. It'd be a deeply shameful one.Replies: @Simon in London, @PSR
“This was the only incident of civilian massacres by the Indians”
Our Island Story has at least three I can think of, including the Black Hole of Calcutta. Of course I’m sure the British in India were more sinning than sinned against, and Our Island Story rather draws a discrete veil over British Imperial atrocities in India, South Africa, et al.
The point is not that “we are good and they are bad”, simply that “they are bad”. Of course the cultural Marxists would say that ‘we’ – in this case our young women – deserve to be abused, because of what ‘we’ did in other countries long ago, or perhaps even what ‘we’ did in eg Iraq quite recently. I would disagree with this argument. Those young girls are not responsible for Tony Blair, they are just as much the victims of Blair & co as are the Baghdad librarians my wife met at a library conference in 2002, who are probably both dead now.
Maybe because… they work harder, are more conscientious, and, above all, they built and inhabited for millennia or centuries those countries where they tend to live? Meanwhile, in the US, gentile whites have lower standards of living than both Jews and Asians. I don’t have statistics from other countries, but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t true of Jews anywhere and of at least some Asian groups in most places.
I guess you and I read a different story. I think it’s a well-written expose of the racial aspects of these abuse cases.
Have you written anything about Jimmy Savile?
Do you care? Do you even know who he is?
Have you written anything about Cyril Smith? Again, do you care? Do you even know who he is?
You’ve written several things about the pederasty scandal in the Catholic Church, saying that it was just a bunch of gentle alcoholics paying a bit too much attention to vulnerable boys who didn’t otherwise have male attention. Not true. A lot of those boys were sodomized and ended up very damaged.
The real problem here is the vulnerability created by the destruction of the white working class. Which was accomplished by what? Pakistani immigrants?
“Subconsciously that’s where the pakis and jewish elite want to migrate”
Oh fuck you. The British Jewish community has nothing to do with this. They are highly assimilated and loyal Britons. If they are screwed up, they are Britishly screwed up.
Britain's still about 80% white, so that's hardly surprising; Pakistanis are grossly over-represented in any case. I also have a hard time believing that white Britons routinely form the kind of grooming networks seen in Rochdale and similar cases.Replies: @WhatEvvs
Did it occur to you that nearly 100% of that 49% are male? The relevant statistic is what percent of the British public are British men above a certain age.
There was enough barbarity in 1857 on both sides to make one sick to the stomach. You should read Andrew Ward's "Our Bones are Scattered" for a well-researched account of the events. There's a good reason why British schoolkids are not taught much about their history in the subcontinent in the 19th century, especially 1857. It'd be a deeply shameful one.Replies: @Simon in London, @PSR
“There’s a good reason why British schoolkids are not taught much about their history in the subcontinent in the 19th century, especially 1857. It’d be a deeply shameful one.”
Yes, wouldn’t want them to know their ancestors introduced modern roads, canals, railroads, universities, hospitals, a competent civil service and a national government to what had been a collection of backward and corrupt tribes.
For the young Ann Davies, the seduction of Mitt included having to adopt a new religion, into which she was baptized by the governor of Michigan, Mitt’s father. She knew there was no way to marry Mitt without joining the religion. She made that sacrifice. “What?,” she might have found herself asking “I have to join a religion that requires the husband to dote upon his wife, expects the woman to stay home, and fiercely frowns upon adultery and divorce?” Hard to believe Baby Boom women ever thought of that as any kind of raw deal.
She played her cards well, though, and didn’t mess it up like so many other women do. Of course Hillary Rodham played her cards well, too, into a loveless albeit more successful marriage (politically, at least) than Ann’s. Ann Romney will probably have 100+ great-grandchildren – most of them intelligent and successful – while Hillary Clinton will be lucky to have even one.
Just another reminder that our monstrously evil friends at the NYT believe that an Englishman or Woman having a bad thought about Muslims is much, much worse than a 12 year old girl being drugged and gang- raped. Also, cat calling towards adult women seems to be worse than thousands of cases of gang rape of children. Remember, liberals DO NOT have the moral high ground on issues like this. They allowed this to keep going on, which was the worst thing in human history when the Vatican did similar, but totally for all the right reasons when they did it.
Our Island Story has at least three I can think of, including the Black Hole of Calcutta. Of course I'm sure the British in India were more sinning than sinned against, and Our Island Story rather draws a discrete veil over British Imperial atrocities in India, South Africa, et al.
The point is not that "we are good and they are bad", simply that "they are bad". Of course the cultural Marxists would say that 'we' - in this case our young women - deserve to be abused, because of what 'we' did in other countries long ago, or perhaps even what 'we' did in eg Iraq quite recently. I would disagree with this argument. Those young girls are not responsible for Tony Blair, they are just as much the victims of Blair & co as are the Baghdad librarians my wife met at a library conference in 2002, who are probably both dead now.Replies: @Numinous
My understanding is that this was more a sin of omission than commission. The rules of Bengal had EEC officials arrested, put in a rather small prison, and promptly forgot about them for a couple of days. In which time many prisoners died of heat and starvation. Regardless, I agree it was a barbaric thing to do. And the ruler dearly paid for it.
So would I. Can’t someone garner sympathy for the victims (and conduct more prosecutions) by pointing out they were children? The children card seems to play very well in the US, and trump all other claims of victimhood.
“Nazir Afzal, a Pakistani-Briton who is the chief crown prosecutor in charge of sexual crime, said the recent cases were not primarily about race.”
“a Pakistani-Briton”……….i.e. not a Briton.
“Ms. Berelowitz said. “But if we think the stereotype of the Asian abuser and the white victim is all that’s going on, it’s very dangerous.””
No, that isn’t all that’s going on. Another thing that one ought to be pondering is why it is that people like a Nazir Afzal or a Ms. Berelowitz presume to represent and speak for the british people.
“We shouldn’t ignore patterns …. that might be linked to faith and ethnicity” says Sue Berelowitz.
I think we can all agree with that.
“Cookies says:
November 2, 2014 at 1:42 pm GMT
Oh fuck you. The British Jewish community has nothing to do with this.”
“Taking the cultural dimension of grooming seriously without overstating it is difficult, said Ms. Berelowitz, the deputy children’s commissioner.”
Nothing. Nothing at all.
As per usual the left whines about “stereotyping.” They’ll even admit to playing down black crime to avoid “negative stereotypes.”
Well, ANY stereotype is based on reality.
“White men are still the largest group at 49 percent of known offenders in this category, according to a 2012 study by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner”
This factoid is deficient in several ways. As several commenters pointed out, Britain is still about 80% white. A more serious shortcoming is that most of the offenders were not identified by ethnic origin:
“[…] only a minority of submissions to the call for evidence included any information on suspects. Of a total of 1,514 suspects thus identified, race data were available for 84 per cent (N = 1266). For those suspects where race was known, 43 per cent (N = 545) were white and 33 per cent (N = 415) Asian.” (Cockbain, 2013)
There seems to have been a widespread tendency to omit identification of ethnic origin in cases where the perpetrators were non-white. This point is repeatedly mentioned in the recent report of the Rotherham inquiry into sex abuse:
“Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.” (Jay, 2014, p.2)
Cockbain, E. (2013). Grooming and the ‘Asian sex gang predator’: the construction of a racial crime threat, Race & Class, 54, 22-32.
http://rac.sagepub.com/content/54/4/22.short
Jay, A. (2014). Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham 1997-2013
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham
That's just about as low status and unattractive as a man could possibly get in contemporary England. If it was 'sugar daddies' these girls were after, surely they could have dine better than that?Replies: @casey
Honestly your comment and the cracks in the OP about Pizza Hut- wtf? If you think you are all coming off as more chivalrous or civilized than dark-skinned dudes- well you’re not.
You think a poor girl in foster care should find a higher-status sugar daddy? How can a person even type something like that? The suggested scenario isn’t letting anyone off the hook just explaining how they got access but you have to make it an opportunity to mock the tragically naive victims, blame them, imply they are prostitutes?
Very disturbing post and comment thread, and this from someone who is really angry at feminists for not talking more about this and initially glad someone was holding their feet to the fire.
Unfortunately the poor child victims are being used politically here also. “Yay we white guys never do this shit!” Well I just followed a link to a video this morning of a white guy teaching other white guys how to take advantage of passive Japanese girls on the streets of Tokyo.
And the NYT is correct that the lion’s share of victims are being abused in the home, and I’d like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it.
"And the NYT is correct that the lion’s share of victims are being abused in the home, and I’d like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it."If you think that what happens on the streets isn't a reflection of what's happening in the homes then you are awfully naive. Of course there's racial disparity in sexual abuse inside the homes - there's racial disparity in every crime, in every socially deviant behavior, in everything.Replies: @casey
Pakistani men do what pakistani men do. I can´t blame them. But white british girls drinking vodka at the age of 13 and having sex with strangers? White parents of such girls letting them do so? Thats the real scandal.
But whites make up over 49% of the English population which means that whites were underrepresented among these type of offenders compared to other groups.
So, 87% percent of the UK male population (whites) are responsible for 49% of “grooming” offenses, and 13% (non-whites) are responsible for 51%. That makes the non-white rate 7 times the white rate on a per capita basis. But we know that non-whites are not homogeneous group in this respect. Muslims are vastly over-represented, and Caribbean black perhaps somewhat overrepresented. The Muslim rate must be (at a guess) at least 20 times the white rate.
If you think you’re championing some decent, healthy form of morality (talking bad, raping underage girls not-so-bad), you’re not. If you think you’re championing liberal morality, then you are correct.
Words = crime. Raping underage girls = meh.
You missed the point. To repeat: most sexual abuse takes place within the family and I've never seen or heard of any statistics that show racial differences. Have you?
"Rape of underage girls, who cares about that?"
probably people who don't use it as joke fodder or evidence to support their inflated egos.
"Words = crime. Raping underage girls = meh."
who said that? The incidents are a horrible outrage and I already said I am pissed at feminists. Don't worry, I won't let them forget it. The problem isn't just PC, it's classism also.
Meanwhile, the police called the girls sluts, arrested them and let the men go, intentionally destroyed evidence, the commenters here are mocking and blaming victims. This is not evidence of white moral superiority.
If white guys were more predatory, you’d have been seeing the stats since the day it became true. You nitwit.
Lefties really don’t know how psycho they sound. “OMG I can’t believe you’re using these poor girls to advance your agenda! Rape of underage girls, who cares about that?”
In Hell, they probably make healthy people think like leftists.
“If white guys were more predatory”
You missed the point. To repeat: most sexual abuse takes place within the family and I’ve never seen or heard of any statistics that show racial differences. Have you?
“Rape of underage girls, who cares about that?”
probably people who don’t use it as joke fodder or evidence to support their inflated egos.
“Words = crime. Raping underage girls = meh.”
who said that? The incidents are a horrible outrage and I already said I am pissed at feminists. Don’t worry, I won’t let them forget it. The problem isn’t just PC, it’s classism also.
Meanwhile, the police called the girls sluts, arrested them and let the men go, intentionally destroyed evidence, the commenters here are mocking and blaming victims. This is not evidence of white moral superiority.
The big downfall of whites has been buying into the laissez faire parenting attitudes promulgated by the teevee. These low class whites are very much mirroring the behavior and values they see on television. Upper class whites tend to know better.
For your edification:
"The Commission’s own figures show that only half the predicted number of White perpetrators were actually found (43% versus 88%), twice the number of “mixed” ethnicity (3.8% versus 1.8%), almost 5 times the number of Asians (33% versus 6.7%) and almost 7 times the numbers of Blacks (19% versus 2.8%)."
One or two in the British Blogosphere has been discussing missing kids and the possibility that they may have been "disappeared". Does anyone have any more information on this?Replies: @Wilkey, @Wilkey, @Brutusale
Google Charlene Downes. Allegedly chopped up and served in kebabs after her rape and murder.
“And the NYT is correct that the lion’s share of victims are being abused in the home, and I’d like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it.”
Well, sure, but you are also trying to obfuscate the original point. Whatever you do, be sure to Denigrate, Deprecate, and Disparage those evil white guys! Don’t let a politically-correct disaster in the press go to waste! Get your application in to the DDD society today!
I was a subscriber for many years, partly because I couldn't quite believe that real newspapers were as dead as Dick Cheney's conscience. However, I finally threw in the towel on Friday. The censorship and ham-fisted political correctness finally exceeded my patience.Replies: @Flip
I think about dropping it but like the business section. You read all the articles about how more money needs to be spent on people who take from society and you realize that the NYTimes would have productive people in indentured servitude to support everyone else.
You think a poor girl in foster care should find a higher-status sugar daddy? How can a person even type something like that? The suggested scenario isn't letting anyone off the hook just explaining how they got access but you have to make it an opportunity to mock the tragically naive victims, blame them, imply they are prostitutes?
Very disturbing post and comment thread, and this from someone who is really angry at feminists for not talking more about this and initially glad someone was holding their feet to the fire.
Unfortunately the poor child victims are being used politically here also. "Yay we white guys never do this shit!" Well I just followed a link to a video this morning of a white guy teaching other white guys how to take advantage of passive Japanese girls on the streets of Tokyo.
And the NYT is correct that the lion's share of victims are being abused in the home, and I'd like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it.Replies: @Wilkey, @IBC
“Unfortunately the poor child victims are being used politically here also. ‘Yay we white guys never do this shit!’”
Do you know how these girls were being “used politically”? They were being ignored. Their plights were ignored by Labour for over a decade to continue Labour’s policy of flooding England with Third Worlders, to “rub the right’s nose in diversity.”
That is how they are being used politically. How is that not the worst form of being used?
OF COURSE the people who hate Labour are fucking angry at Labour’s failure – no, REFUSAL – to protect British girls. That is what politics and elections are about – ACCOUNTABILITY. But how dare the right hold Labour accountable by pointing to the victims?
“And the NYT is correct that the lion’s share of victims are being abused in the home, and I’d like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it.”
If you think that what happens on the streets isn’t a reflection of what’s happening in the homes then you are awfully naive. Of course there’s racial disparity in sexual abuse inside the homes – there’s racial disparity in every crime, in every socially deviant behavior, in everything.
I mean, has the Warren Hastings incident, or the disgusting perfidy of the Indian mutineers at Lucknow – where they butchered British women and children – simply been forgotten?"
We have a 1984-ish culture where a lot of effort goes into erasing knowledge. Most British schoolchildren have never even heard of the Raj, never mind Lucknow.
I guess when my son gets a bit older I should reread him the relevant part of 'Our Island Story', a children's history of Britain from 1905 that does cover the various massacres of white women & children during the British rule of India. He's certainly not going to hear about it in school.Replies: @Numinous, @IBC
When I read older popular histories and especially textbooks, I find that I have to be particularly aware of nationalistic bias just as I have to be aware of political correctness in contemporary ones. I guess that the one is kind of a subversion of the other, so that makes sense.
I haven’t read Our Island Story, but I’ll agree with you that many students in the UK these days probably don’t hear much about the Raj beyond that it was bad, and that they’re more likely to hear about British troops killing women and children at Amritsar, than about Indian rebels killing women and children at Bibigarh.
You think a poor girl in foster care should find a higher-status sugar daddy? How can a person even type something like that? The suggested scenario isn't letting anyone off the hook just explaining how they got access but you have to make it an opportunity to mock the tragically naive victims, blame them, imply they are prostitutes?
Very disturbing post and comment thread, and this from someone who is really angry at feminists for not talking more about this and initially glad someone was holding their feet to the fire.
Unfortunately the poor child victims are being used politically here also. "Yay we white guys never do this shit!" Well I just followed a link to a video this morning of a white guy teaching other white guys how to take advantage of passive Japanese girls on the streets of Tokyo.
And the NYT is correct that the lion's share of victims are being abused in the home, and I'd like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it.Replies: @Wilkey, @IBC
If that’s true, do you think Japanese authorities will decline to intervene in the name of diversity?
Sue “British as Bagels” Berelowitz says: “But if we think the stereotype of the Asian abuser and the white victim is all that’s going on, it’s very dangerous.”
She’s right: “Asian abusers” — or rather, Muslim abusers — are even more vibrant than the current hateful Islamophobic stereotype would suggest:
It seems highly possible that a majority of sex-criminals in the UK, both individually and in number of offences, are non-white.
As for the obfuscatory nonsense about the “nighttime economy”:
“casey says:
You missed the point. To repeat: most sexual abuse takes place within the family and I’ve never seen or heard of any statistics that show racial differences. Have you?”
Where are the statistics that show that sexual abuse more likely takes place within the family? Can you point to them? This has been a feminist talking point for years, just like the claims that wife-battering increases after the super-bowl. But is it really true? Will it turn out to actually have any more truth to it than that latter claim, which turned out to be utter bullshit? Feminism has been waging war on the traditional family for years, and the claims that the family is the fount of all that is sick and perverted has been part of that campaign.
When one digs down a bit, one often finds that the “sexual abuse within the family” was perpetrated by a live-in boy-friend, i.e., not a member of the family. Then there is also the fact that certain races and/or ethnic groups (like,…….Pakistanis, for example) may commit these crimes at a higher rate, but they don’t talk about it much. A culture that propagates the idea that it is okay to kill your daughter for dating outside the tribe might not have much trouble preventing those same daughters from ratting out their fathers for sexual molestation.
“MC says:
November 2, 2014 at 12:58 am GMT
Remember this lady?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084702/BBC-Radio-host-sacked-taxi-firm-requesting-non-Asian-driver.html”
I remember that. The recent revelations do indeed put that story in a new light, don’t they. Perhaps she knew something about the reality of cabbies in Britain these days – something she felt unable to voice aloud.
“So, 87% percent of the UK male population (whites) are responsible for 49% of “grooming” offenses, and 13% (non-whites) are responsible for 51%. That makes the non-white rate 7 times the white rate on a per capita basis. But we know that non-whites are not homogeneous group in this respect. Muslims are vastly over-represented, and Caribbean black perhaps somewhat overrepresented. The Muslim rate must be (at a guess) at least 20 times the white rate.”
Liberals consider per capita to be a dirty word, because per capita often goes hand and hand with what they perceive to be hate facts.
"And the NYT is correct that the lion’s share of victims are being abused in the home, and I’d like to see stats that white guys are less predatory there, I doubt it."If you think that what happens on the streets isn't a reflection of what's happening in the homes then you are awfully naive. Of course there's racial disparity in sexual abuse inside the homes - there's racial disparity in every crime, in every socially deviant behavior, in everything.Replies: @casey
Once again, please provide some evidence because I have never seen or heard of any that indicates more or less sex abuse by race. You have no leg to stand on with that theory.
Once again, these girls were used - not by the conservatives now pointing out their plights, but by the Muslims who groomed and raped them, and by the Labour Party which ignored these crimes for well over a decade.
You don't see much data about sexual abuse broken out by race because sexual abuse is a less visible crime than, say, murder. The names of the victims aren't advertised nor, quite often, are the names of the perps. Also, in case you haven't noticed, the media hates talking about crime rates by race, except for when it's all but unavoidable. You can't avoid talking about which neighborhoods are unsafe. Which homes are unsafe, however, is another matter entirely. To assume that behavior inside the home, outside the view of the public, is dramatically different than behavior outside the home is absurdly illogical.
SO I see you dropped your point about conservatives “using these girls” to attack Muslims and the Labour Party. Perhaps because it was a load of crap?
Once again, these girls were used – not by the conservatives now pointing out their plights, but by the Muslims who groomed and raped them, and by the Labour Party which ignored these crimes for well over a decade.
You don’t see much data about sexual abuse broken out by race because sexual abuse is a less visible crime than, say, murder. The names of the victims aren’t advertised nor, quite often, are the names of the perps. Also, in case you haven’t noticed, the media hates talking about crime rates by race, except for when it’s all but unavoidable. You can’t avoid talking about which neighborhoods are unsafe. Which homes are unsafe, however, is another matter entirely. To assume that behavior inside the home, outside the view of the public, is dramatically different than behavior outside the home is absurdly illogical.
Yet, the same thing happens to whites and all you see is leftists blaming white men and the very few reasonable white men muttering on chat groups such as this about how unfair it all is.
Derbyshire was right: White people are pussies - or, at least, have become pussies.
Yes, I understand how the entire system is against us. But do you think that would stop other races from defending themselves. Has history ever seen a spectacle such as this? A race so able to defend themselves willfully allowing other races to beat the crap out of them, and then apologizing for it. It's simply bizarre and makes me wonder whether we deserve to stick around.
I have two children and am seriously beginning to wonder whether it would be better if they married some conquistador Americans, something inconceivable to me just a few years ago. Yet, I don't want my grandchildren to act like whites do. I want them to show some pride in who they are. To stand up for who they are. To my utter despair, I just don't see that in whites.
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What has happened to working class British culture? It seems to have degenerated into binge drinking, broken homes and sponging off the government. Perfect hunting grounds for predatory animals like these Pakis.
“Once again, these girls were used…by the Muslims who groomed and raped them, and by the Labour Party which ignored these crimes for well over a decade.”
I totally agree with that, I am just adding you guys to the list. I don’t think you *really* care. I thought maybe you (and Sailer) did, but I see that once again it’s all about painting yourselves as superior. That is the goal here. The girls barely exist in this version of events.
Just as I don’t really buy that anyone (not necessarily talking about you) *really* cares about an embryo or fetus in some stranger’s uterus. And similarly, in that case, the women at the center of the story seem to magically disappear when the topic is “debated”.
Funny how that happens!