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From NPR:

Academic Science Rethinks All-Too-White ‘Dude Walls’ Of Honor

by NELL GREENFIELDBOYCE

All the portraits hanging on the wall inside the Louis Bornstein Family Amphitheater at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston on June 12, 2018 were of men, nearly all white. The portraits have since been removed.
Pat Greenhouse/Boston Globe via Getty Images

A few years ago, TV celebrity Rachel Maddow was at Rockefeller University to hand out a prize that’s given each year to a prominent female scientist. As Maddow entered the auditorium, someone overheard her say, “What is up with the dude wall?”

She was referring to a wall covered with portraits of scientists from the university who have won either a Nobel Prize or the Lasker Award, a major medical prize.

After all, what have winners of the Nobel Prize in Medicine or the Lasker Award ever done for humanity?

“One hundred percent of them are men. It’s probably 30 headshots of 30 men. So it’s imposing,” says Leslie Vosshall, a neurobiologist with the university and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.

“I think every institution needs to go out into the hallway and ask, ‘What kind of message are we sending?'”

Uh … perhaps a message like: “Try to win a Nobel Prize or a Lasker Award. If you do, we’ll put your portrait up on the wall.”

Vosshall says Maddow’s remark, and the word “dude wall,” crystallized something that had been bothering her for years. As she travels around the country to give lectures and attend conferences at scientific institutions, she constantly encounters lobbies, conference rooms, passageways, and lecture halls that are decorated with portraits of white men.

“It just sends the message, every day when you walk by it, that science consists of old white men,” says Vosshall. “I think every institution needs to go out into the hallway and ask, ‘What kind of message are we sending with these oil portraits and dusty old photographs?'”

She’s now on a committee that’s redesigning that wall of portraits at Rockefeller University, to add more diversity. And this is hardly the only science or medical institution that’s reckoning with its dude wall.

At Yale School of Medicine, for example, one main building’s hallways feature 55 portraits: three women and 52 men. They’re all white.

“I don’t necessarily always have a reaction. But then there are times when you’re having a really bad day — someone says something racist to you, or you’re struggling with feeling like you belong in the space — and then you see all those photos and it kind of reinforces whatever you might have been feeling at the time,” says Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako, a medical student at Yale.

He grew up reading Harry Potter books, and in that fictional world, portraits can talk to the characters. “If this was Harry Potter,” he muses, “if they could speak, what would they even say to me? Everywhere you study, there’s a big portrait somewhere of someone kind of staring you down.”

Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill? This Yale medical student sounds like a character in an Edgar Allan Poe short story like the “Tell-Tale Heart.” Imagine a Poe story about the last scion of his ancient lineage, being driven mad by the portraits of his ancestors staring down accusingly at him.

Except in the 2019 version, he’s being driven mad because the portraits aren’t of his ancestors, but of somebody else’s ancestors.

Yale medical student Nientara Anderson recently teamed up with fellow student Elizabeth Fitzsousa and associate professor Dr. Anna Reisman to study the effect of this artwork; the results were published in July in the Journal of General Internal Medicine.

“Students felt like these portraits were not just ancient, historic things that had nothing to do with their contemporary experience,” says Anderson. “They actually felt that the portraits reinforced contemporary issues of exclusion, of racial discrimination — of othering.”

As T.S. Eliot pointed out:

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

 
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  1. “Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill? ”

    Well, when people are taught things their entire lives that contradict everything their instincts and observations teach them, I suppose this is the outcome.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Dissident
    • Replies: @Olorin
    And, we may assume, the intention of much Long Marchian child-socialization.

    Enforced charity, a branch of the lucrative dolt-wrangling industry.

    My face I’ll grime with filth,
    Blanket my loins, elf all my hair in knots,
    And with presented nakedness outface
    The winds and persecutions of the sky.
    The country gives me proof and precedent
    Of Bedlam beggars, who with roaring voices
    Strike in their numbed and mortified bare arms
    Pins, wooden pricks, nails, sprigs of rosemary,
    And with this horrible object from low farms,
    Poor pelting villages, sheepcotes, and mills,
    Sometime with lunatic bans, sometime with prayers,
    Enforce their charity.
    , @Kronos
    How many students do think the NYT interviewed until they found a quote they liked?

    Keep in mind many of these students were raised in this NYT cultural echo chamber all their lives.
    , @Justvisiting
    Instead of _finally_ curing cancer and other deadly diseases with nanotechnology and other computer tech available today, these future doctors will be focused on how much they hate elderly white patients.

    They need to buckle down and get to work--and any med school that does not teach _that_ message does not deserve to be funded by the taxpayers.
    , @getaclue
    Who cares if they can do the surgery! My question is -- are they a Person Of Color?
  2. This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    #BigGirlSummer is apparently still going strong as Lizzo celebrates body positivity and natural hair with an invigorating gospel influenced medley of her latest hits. The beloved Lizzo’s performance at the MTV VMA Show was the perfect embodiment of our idiocracy’s values in 2019.

    This is who we are.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    https://bookshelffantasies.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/hippos2.jpg
    , @Kibernetika
    This is who we are.

    It's wild. It's almost as if some of us have distinct identities within the "WE." :)

    Remind me to invest in type-2 diabetes drugs... Good god, she be big.

    Better: https://youtu.be/watO_IRfz4w
    , @216
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbYR_1LvSGQ
    , @L.D.
    Instead of chemically castrating registered sex offenders, the government could instead just force them to binge-watch this hideous monster Lizzo's videos for a few hours every few months, that will keep them TOTALLY sexually impotent, I promise you LMAO

    Now seriously, I started noticing this creature's videos popping up here and there in some retarded corners of the internet in the past few days and I'm still deeply disturbed by what I saw. I would say "she" (I suppose it's a black female human being) is the walking/twerking definition of "regression to the mean" in terms of what Africans can accomplish in terms of cultural achievement. Utterly revolting.
    , @Pericles
    This is who we be.
    , @bruce county
    Almost as disgusting as the recent outbreak of Venus razer commercials.
  3. He grew up reading Harry Potter books, and in that fictional world, portraits can talk to the characters. “If this was Harry Potter,” he muses, “if they could speak, what would they even say to me? Everywhere you study, there’s a big portrait somewhere of someone kind of staring you down.”

    I see no evidence of growth in this fellow….

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
  4. This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whine.

  5. Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako = Animated negro, junk axiom.

    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    Or a wimple. And it will come nun too soon. (Sorry. It’s just a habit.)

  6. This country deserves every inch of the grave its dug for itself.

    • Agree: Realist, Brutusale
    • Replies: @getaclue
    The "grave" was dug by Globalist New World Order "Elites" networked worldwide and mostly banksters--the working class of the "country" had nothing to do with it basically...they were given a choice to vote for bad or worse of they Uniparty and Wall Street cretins were allowed to basically ship the industry of the "country" to China and cash in on doing so, while flooding it with 3rd World immigrants legal and illegal thru the sell outs in Congress/Ted Kennedy etc...so I don't agree with your statement.
  7. Stop everything, a bantering anchorwoman in Oklahoma mumbled that a gorilla in a feature story resembled her cohost.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/27/us/oklahoma-tv-anchor-apologizes-racist-comments-soh/index.html

    • Replies: @Realist

    Stop everything, a bantering anchorwoman in Oklahoma mumbled that a gorilla in a feature story resembled her cohost.
     
    Except the gorilla is smarter.
  8. Stolen from someone else (I forget who),

    Millennial history outline:
    -Slavery
    -Emancipation
    -Jim Crow
    -MLK
    -Harry Potter!

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    You never heard about the 600 gogorillion? You stupid goy!!!
  9. A few years ago, TV celebrity Rachel Maddow was at Rockefeller University to hand out a prize that’s given each year to a prominent female scientist. As Maddow entered the auditorium, someone overheard her say, “What is up with the dude wall?”

    This is beyond annoying, obviously. Maddoff is undoubtedly clever, and she has an intelligent comedienne’s quickness of mind, able to spit quips and currentyear one-liners on demand. I’m not a fan.

    As a white dude who had parents (who identified as male and female and had sexual organs to prove it) working and contributing at Rockefeller during an era of great scientific discovery, advancement, curing of friggin’ diseases, this really hurts.

    Don’t people study history objectively these days?

  10. Okay, one simple rule. All these POC and feminist women MUST NOT go see white or Jewish male doctors. They must only go to female or POC doctors.

    It must too triggering to be treated by some white dude.

    • Agree: bruce county
  11. says Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako, a medical student at Yale.

    Yale medical student Nientara Anderson recently teamed up with fellow student Elizabeth Fitzsousa and associate professor Dr. Anna Reisman

    These peoples names are fantastic. It’s almost as though like they sprang from the mind of various isteve commenters. How do we know these are even real people? Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako sounds like a first generation Nigerian who’s immigrant father named him after his favorite model of athletic shoe. Nientara Anderson and Elizabeth Fitzsousa sound like they descend from a long line of normans with just enough ethnic in their names to be plausibly diverse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The wall was just callin em Poc 4, Poc 7 etc.
  12. Yes, the pictures of the white men must come down. The special snowflakes can’t have “white male science,” just as the Soviets could not allow “bourgeoisie science” and the Nazis could not allow “Jewish science.”

    I am so glad that none of the doctors I see went to Harvard.

    If they’re so triggered by a picture of a long dead physician then how will these massive crybabies react when they see blood in real life?

  13. @Clifford Brown

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    #BigGirlSummer is apparently still going strong as Lizzo celebrates body positivity and natural hair with an invigorating gospel influenced medley of her latest hits. The beloved Lizzo's performance at the MTV VMA Show was the perfect embodiment of our idiocracy's values in 2019.

    This is who we are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0RK_olDb4

  14. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill? "

    Well, when people are taught things their entire lives that contradict everything their instincts and observations teach them, I suppose this is the outcome.

    And, we may assume, the intention of much Long Marchian child-socialization.

    Enforced charity, a branch of the lucrative dolt-wrangling industry.

    My face I’ll grime with filth,
    Blanket my loins, elf all my hair in knots,
    And with presented nakedness outface
    The winds and persecutions of the sky.
    The country gives me proof and precedent
    Of Bedlam beggars, who with roaring voices
    Strike in their numbed and mortified bare arms
    Pins, wooden pricks, nails, sprigs of rosemary,
    And with this horrible object from low farms,
    Poor pelting villages, sheepcotes, and mills,
    Sometime with lunatic bans, sometime with prayers,
    Enforce their charity.

  15. The ingratitude, the offensive smugness, the idiotic self-centeredness leads me to believe this cannot be resolved through reason.

    Consider our friends Corvinus, and Paleo Liberal. Their views were not arrived at through reason, and reason is impotent to dissuade them from their religious zealotry.

    1.5% X 340,000,000 = 5,100,000

    And Corvinus and Paleo will say, “How did > 5M deaths happen?” and “That escalated quickly.” and “Damn, I had to eat both my cat and my neighbor’s cat this week.” and later “Hmm, my neighbor is a vegan, so eating him won’t necessarily result in mad cow disease.”

    We live in interesting times. Scary, but interesting.

    • Agree: Herbert West
    • Replies: @Jack D
    I don't think we will be eating our cats any time soon. Many societies have survived much worse and muddled through. So far they are taking down these guy's pictures but the men themselves (the ones who are still alive) are for the most part still at their desks. The Leftists are tearing down icons but they aren't pitching real live humans out of actual windows. At least not yet.

    And humans have a way of coming to their senses eventually. Other societies have gone thru purges and eventually come to regret it and to "rehabilitate" the purged. Even in the US there are some signs that the Maoists have not taken full power. San Francisco has now pulled back from its plan to permanently paint over the Washington murals. The College Board has withdrawn its plan to issue "Adversity Scores" for each SAT taker. Of course eternal vigilance is required but the battle is not yet lost.
  16. True! –nervous –very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses –not destroyed –not dulled them. Above all was the sense of sight acute. I saw all things in the heaven and in the earth. I saw many things in hell. How, then, am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily –how calmly I can tell you the whole story.

    It is impossible to say how first the idea entered my brain; but once conceived, it haunted me day and night. Object there was none. Passion there was none. I loved the university. It had never wronged me. It had never given me insult. For its gold I had no desire. I think it was the portraits ! Yes, it was this! Those eminent White men looking down upon me with their damn vulture eyes!Under the gaze of those Olympians, I felt small, inadequate, unworthy.Whenever those eyes fell upon me, my blood ran cold; and so by degrees –very gradually –I made up my mind to rid the world of their oppressive greatness…..


    • Replies: @SFG
    You only have to change one word...


    And still the men chatted pleasantly, and smiled. Was it possible they heard not? Almighty God! --no, no! They heard! --they suspected! --they knew! --they were making a mockery of my horror!-this I thought, and this I think. But anything was better than this agony! Anything was more tolerable than this derision! I could bear those hypocritical smiles no longer! I felt that I must scream or die! and now --again! --hark! louder! louder! louder! louder!

    "Villains!" I shrieked, "dissemble no more! I admit the deed! --tear up the planks! here, here! --It is the beating of his hideous privilege!"
  17. This is why we should respect science…to honor our people. Stop science denial and do your part.

  18. “This institution was never meant for me”: the Impact of Institutional Historical Portraiture on Medical Students.
    Fitzsousa E, et al. J Gen Intern Med. 2019.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-019-05138-9

    We conducted a qualitative interview study of Yale medical students from the classes of 2018–2021 to assess their perspective on institutional portraiture.

    Acknowledgments
    Elizabeth Fitzsousa was funded by the YSM Medical Student Fellowship.
    Compliance with Ethical Standards
    Conflict of Interest
    The authors declare that they do not have a conflict of interest.

    Buy article (PDF)
    USD 39.95

    DOI
    https://doi.org/10.1007/s11606-019-05138-9

    • Replies: @Pericles

    “This institution was never meant for me”: the Impact of Institutional Historical Portraiture on Medical Students.
    Fitzsousa E, et al. J Gen Intern Med. 2019.

     

    And yet here you are.
  19. Maybe it’s time to quit worrying about the doc with the degree from Mumbai Medical School if this is our “best”?

  20. “Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill?”

    It’s either a deliberate and successful thing (psychiatrists need Porsches too) or a now well proven rhing we should stop. We know that DARE increases drug use, suicide prevention hectoring increases suicide, reporting of public maniac freak events generates copycats, and the mass media hopes that riot movies will foment riots. This is the same society that drowned kids in ritalin and then buried them under SSRIs.
    I can’t find it now but a while back, maybe years, there was a story about a crisis in youth mental health in Sweden, and they interviewed an older psychiatric authority (old enough to have lived through multiple “scientific consensus” panics) who pointed out that the kids were getting every attention and the diagnoses only increased.

  21. Good God! This sort of bullshitty, mannered, downright solipsistic self-absorption seems to me the exact opposite of what literature and the broader humanities purportedly teach about common threads in the human experience.

    I got a bit moist-eyed at the deaths of Jimi Hendrix and Jean-Paul Sartre. I admired both. I’m not Black, American Indian, or French. According to this anti-human SJW pop philosophy horseshit peddled by Maddow and battalions of other “liberal totalitarians”, I can’t possibly admire them.

    Nor, in their twisted, deoxygenated minds is it possible for women, Blacks, Asians, bloody Martians for that matter to admire those farty White guys on the dude wall. This is anti-humanism masquerading as liberation.

  22. Somebody should make a list of the guys they took down so it can be reconstructed virtually. I’m serious. I’ve been reading Rod Dreher’s Benedict Option stuff and I think more and more this is part of that–remembering what we had before the fall.

    • Replies: @Polemos
    You're the guy hoarding old paintings inside a Fallout video game.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Some of us prefer "The Roof Korean Option".
    , @Declane
    There must be tens of thousands of people in America who think they're going to be the ones to "preserve the culture" because they read Canticle for Liebowitz. It's just about feeling good, feeling special. Why not read things about the American Revolution? This country exists because people fought and died for it. We remember the founders, we don't remember the people who sat it out.
  23. I guess the current status quo is a symbolically empty “chick wall,” representing all the women from the university who have won a Lasker or Nobel prize. They should leave it that way, as a means to inspire the ladies to be the first one up there.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Funny, but too subtle. Remember you're dealing with people who are close to criminalizing humor.

    I predict they'll reconstitute that wall. It'll even have a few white men. It'll look like what Google returns now when you search for "American scientists" — people who found a new use for peanuts, patented bookkeeping software or invented oval headlights, plus a sprinkling of white guys who did minor stuff like quantum physics and the polio vaccine.

  24. A fun thing to do would be to put up on the opposite wall portraits just of their most accomplished black and female graduates. That would teach the students and faculty a needed lesson.

  25. “Elizabeth Fitzsousa”

    John Phillip’s bastard daughter?

    “As Maddow entered the auditorium, someone overheard her say, “What is up with the dude wall?”

    Those dudes not only won Noble Prizes for advancing medical sciences, but they satisfied women in ways you can only dream with your rubber strapon fakes. The fem girls with you for the money or novelty’s sake… they are thinking about how long they can “experiment” and still achieve their dream of being a doctor’s wife.

    • Replies: @M_Young
    Elizabeth Fitzsousa and Sousa Fitzelizabeth

    Nah, not nearly as funny, in fact doesn't work at all.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    In the UK more than half of med students are female, so the competition to be a male doctor's wife is pretty high, plus there's a lot of lady doctors who won't ever grab one.

    Not to mention all the disappointed nurses, for whom doctors were the prize mate 'in elder days before the Fall'.

    Given that there's not been a compensating influx of males into nursing, medicine is becoming feminised, just like midwifery used to be before people like Semmelweiss butted in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
  26. @Clifford Brown

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    #BigGirlSummer is apparently still going strong as Lizzo celebrates body positivity and natural hair with an invigorating gospel influenced medley of her latest hits. The beloved Lizzo's performance at the MTV VMA Show was the perfect embodiment of our idiocracy's values in 2019.

    This is who we are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0RK_olDb4

    This is who we are.

    It’s wild. It’s almost as if some of us have distinct identities within the “WE.” 🙂

    Remind me to invest in type-2 diabetes drugs… Good god, she be big.

    Better:

  27. “Try to win a Nobel Prize or a Lasker Award. If you do, we’ll put your portrait up on the wall.”

    I don’t know, but in the Current Year, this sentence, and the concept behind it, a la, ‘boys girls, as well as all genders in this planet, either you can compete with the past when the US was less inclusive, more intolerant, and less willing to just automatically give out free passes to peoples of color, or you cannot’, it does sound just an itsy bitsy teeny weeny intolerant. And hurtful. Aren’t universities supposed to be safe spaces for people of color? And instead they see this room with no diversity on the walls.

    Also it does go vs. the grain that whites are to blame for all the worlds problems when the portraits are honoring people who helped improve humanity, and they’re all white.

    There’s probably a meme in here somewhere just waiting to come out to make the point.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    "Aren’t universities supposed to be safe spaces for people of color"?
    Aren't universities supposed to be safe places for people with coloring books.
    Fixed it for you.
    , @getaclue
    I understand they have decided that Nobel Prizes really just need to be given based on Diversity these days anyway so who cares about them? When they gave it to Obama that gig was blown forever.
  28. Heroic Black man vs Paintings of People of Pallor….

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  29. @syonredux
    True! --nervous --very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses --not destroyed --not dulled them. Above all was the sense of sight acute. I saw all things in the heaven and in the earth. I saw many things in hell. How, then, am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily --how calmly I can tell you the whole story.

    It is impossible to say how first the idea entered my brain; but once conceived, it haunted me day and night. Object there was none. Passion there was none. I loved the university. It had never wronged me. It had never given me insult. For its gold I had no desire. I think it was the portraits ! Yes, it was this! Those eminent White men looking down upon me with their damn vulture eyes!Under the gaze of those Olympians, I felt small, inadequate, unworthy.Whenever those eyes fell upon me, my blood ran cold; and so by degrees --very gradually --I made up my mind to rid the world of their oppressive greatness.....

    http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/oliver-wendell-holmes-sr-1809-94-everett.jpg


    https://medicine.yale.edu/publications/Images/pubArticleFull417_59427cap_cushingatdesk_LIVE.jpg


    http://scihi.org//wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Joseph_Lister-e1439291038700.jpg

    You only have to change one word…

    And still the men chatted pleasantly, and smiled. Was it possible they heard not? Almighty God! –no, no! They heard! –they suspected! –they knew! –they were making a mockery of my horror!-this I thought, and this I think. But anything was better than this agony! Anything was more tolerable than this derision! I could bear those hypocritical smiles no longer! I felt that I must scream or die! and now –again! –hark! louder! louder! louder! louder!

    “Villains!” I shrieked, “dissemble no more! I admit the deed! –tear up the planks! here, here! –It is the beating of his hideous privilege!”

    • Agree: syonredux
  30. • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    "They look at you (Kennedy) and see what they want to be; they look at me (Nixon) and see what they are."

    OK, so we all admire the glamour of being a reckless philanderer, but plod though life, by necessity and circumstance perhaps, true and faithful to a lifetime marriage partner?

    We aspire to be reckless dilattantes bankrolled by our dad's shady fortune, but we end up as skilled, dilligent practitioners of vocations by which we support ourselves?

    We look at Oliver Stone as a Hollywood Great, but wonder to ourselves how anyone above the age of 2 regards his work product as anything but lame?

    We look to Anthony Hopkins as one of the great actors, but we turn to ourselves to question how anyone that gifted would have to accept that role in a movie?
  31. I don’t think it’s just mental illness. Many of these millennials at elite universities are too lazy and dumb to do anything productive, so they throw these SJW temper tantrums to make themselves feel superior to the dead white males who’ve actually accomplish something. They also know that people like Rachel Maddow will applaud them.

  32. Steve, I use to think the SJW thing was just a passing fad. I still have many libertarian or liberal sensibilities, but this video is a real representation of the cultural, revolutionary zeitgeist which isn’t going away through liberal principles.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Steve, I use to think the SJW thing was just a passing fad. I still have many libertarian or liberal sensibilities, but this video is a real representation of the cultural, revolutionary zeitgeist which isn’t going away through liberal principles.
     
    Yes, it is not going away. It is a way of thinking that has been institutionalized in the humanities departments of our universities over a generation, and is now imparted routinely as formal instruction to tens of thousands of undergraduates in large variety of humanities courses, and not just in gender studies courses or English departments. Deconstructionist analysis through the lens of gender, race and identity is what is taught as the substance of critical thinking in higher education. There's almost no way to avoid it in America, short of not getting a university education at all.

    Matters are a little better in Britain, Europe and elsewhere, because their universities don't have compulsory humanities distribution requirements for STEM and economics majors.

  33. Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill?

    Nope, but I get the feeling that these youth need the kind of encouragement that comes only from pharmaceuticals. preferably the kind near the top left side of the periodic table – these people are one electron shy of a full outer shell.

  34. “She’s now on a committee that’s redesigning that wall of portraits at Rockefeller University, to add more diversity.”

    In other words, white chick gives up on Nobel or Lasker, takes position on redecorating committee as consolation prize.

  35. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:

    Black students who weirdly have enough free time to write non-medical research papers, write for websites, and host podcasts.

    I been following a similar phenomenon among black law students: Lots of extracurriculars. I guess nobody told them that extracurriculars are for high school. Once you’re in college you spend your time studying, and in law and medical school, thinking about your class rank.

    The black law students never end up as practicing attorneys. They sort of fade into non-legal or legal periphery jobs that can’t even pay back the loans. I wonder if this is true with black medical students?

    Yale [black, female] medical student Nientara Anderson recently teamed up with fellow student Elizabeth Fitzsousa and associate professor Dr. Anna Reisman to study the effect of this artwork; the results were published in July in the Journal of General Internal Medicine.

    “Students felt like these portraits were not just ancient, historic things that had nothing to do with their contemporary experience,” says Anderson. “They actually felt that the portraits reinforced contemporary issues of exclusion, of racial discrimination — of othering.”

    “I don’t necessarily always have a reaction. But then there are times when you’re having a really bad day — someone says something racist to you, or you’re struggling with feeling like you belong in the space — and then you see all those photos and it kind of reinforces whatever you might have been feeling at the time,” says Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako, a [black podcaster and KevinMD.com writer and] medical student at Yale.

    He grew up reading Harry Potter books, and in that fictional world, portraits can talk to the characters. “If this was Harry Potter,” he muses, “if they could speak, what would they even say to me? Everywhere you study, there’s a big portrait somewhere of someone kind of staring you down.”

    “If they could speak, what would they even say to me?”

    Maybe, “You don’t belong in this space.”

  36. Shallow observation: Anyone who objects to celebrating the accomplishments of someone because of their race meets the textbook definition of racist.

    Slightly less shallow observation: Those pictures on the wall should make you feel uncomfortable and jealous, especially if you are a high achiever as one would assume most Harvard med students are. The reaction should be to try and get your picture on that wall.
    Ignore all of the race and gender related stuff. What happens to a generation of doctors who are unwilling to be challenged? Staying comfortable was how medicine got stuck for 1500 years with Galen’s four humors and bleeding and leeches as a cure all.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    “The reaction should be to try and get your picture on that wall.”

    This is exactly the purpose of those pictures. And I’ll tell you that the bar is set pretty damn high in academic medicine. Imagine a guy with a 150+ IQ putting his heart and soul into the most stressful and challenging profession for 110 hours per week, fifty weeks per year for a career lasting forty years and you’ll get an idea of what it takes to meet the minimum standard to be considered for a picture on that wall.

    Taking down those pictures makes a mockery of that tradition.
  37. @Clifford Brown

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    #BigGirlSummer is apparently still going strong as Lizzo celebrates body positivity and natural hair with an invigorating gospel influenced medley of her latest hits. The beloved Lizzo's performance at the MTV VMA Show was the perfect embodiment of our idiocracy's values in 2019.

    This is who we are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0RK_olDb4

  38. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill? "

    Well, when people are taught things their entire lives that contradict everything their instincts and observations teach them, I suppose this is the outcome.

    How many students do think the NYT interviewed until they found a quote they liked?

    Keep in mind many of these students were raised in this NYT cultural echo chamber all their lives.

  39. The idea that you should sanitize and denounce the past is especially horrible in medicine. Up to this generation, senior medical staff are held up as exemplars of a very rigorous profession that is first and foremost based on being truthful. Medicine is practiced by human beings not machines, medical students are inspired to become great by the flesh and blood doctors who teach them: senior medical staff hold their own teachers in high esteem as well.

    Cutting young physicians off from this tradition will bring the end of excellence in Western medicine.

  40. This is the way the world ends
    
Not with a bang but a whimper.

    Hmm, a bit Debbie Downer. Counterpoint, Rob Zombie:

  41. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Shallow observation: Anyone who objects to celebrating the accomplishments of someone because of their race meets the textbook definition of racist.

    Slightly less shallow observation: Those pictures on the wall should make you feel uncomfortable and jealous, especially if you are a high achiever as one would assume most Harvard med students are. The reaction should be to try and get your picture on that wall.
    Ignore all of the race and gender related stuff. What happens to a generation of doctors who are unwilling to be challenged? Staying comfortable was how medicine got stuck for 1500 years with Galen’s four humors and bleeding and leeches as a cure all.

    “The reaction should be to try and get your picture on that wall.”

    This is exactly the purpose of those pictures. And I’ll tell you that the bar is set pretty damn high in academic medicine. Imagine a guy with a 150+ IQ putting his heart and soul into the most stressful and challenging profession for 110 hours per week, fifty weeks per year for a career lasting forty years and you’ll get an idea of what it takes to meet the minimum standard to be considered for a picture on that wall.

    Taking down those pictures makes a mockery of that tradition.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    When you put it that way , if anything, a portrait is not enough.

    These men deserve more recognition, not less.
  42. If Rachel Maddow ever needs foot surgically removed from mouth, she’ll probably insist on a white dude to perform the procedure

  43. @Clifford Brown

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    #BigGirlSummer is apparently still going strong as Lizzo celebrates body positivity and natural hair with an invigorating gospel influenced medley of her latest hits. The beloved Lizzo's performance at the MTV VMA Show was the perfect embodiment of our idiocracy's values in 2019.

    This is who we are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0RK_olDb4

    Instead of chemically castrating registered sex offenders, the government could instead just force them to binge-watch this hideous monster Lizzo’s videos for a few hours every few months, that will keep them TOTALLY sexually impotent, I promise you LMAO

    Now seriously, I started noticing this creature’s videos popping up here and there in some retarded corners of the internet in the past few days and I’m still deeply disturbed by what I saw. I would say “she” (I suppose it’s a black female human being) is the walking/twerking definition of “regression to the mean” in terms of what Africans can accomplish in terms of cultural achievement. Utterly revolting.

  44. It is really weird how the left takes itself so seriously when they roam around looking for stuff to destroy, but they use childish terms like Dude and Boobs. “If you disagree with me I’ll have you fired and have a mob throw rocks at you, but don’t be so uptight. Let’s have ice cream.”

    • Replies: @Herbert West
    Both reactions come from emotional immaturity, so it’s really not weird at all
  45. I will show you fear in a handful of dust.

    T. S. Eliot, “The Waste Land”

  46. Sometimes a sense of inadequacy is well-founded.

  47. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Vosshall says Maddow’s remark, and the word “dude wall,” crystallized something that had been bothering her for years.

    Unreal! This is a woman who got lucky to live in extreme privilege: Handling several million dollars a year of public money to advance her research and career (on top of over a million dollars a year of money from Howard Hughes), having a guaranteed-for-life job that pays at least quadruple of the median salary in the country and constantly traveling to exotic locations around the world to further enhance her earning potential. And yet, the thing that bugs her the most are dudes’ portraits on a wall in the auditorium where she very, very occasionally shows up. JFC.

  48. @SFG
    Somebody should make a list of the guys they took down so it can be reconstructed virtually. I'm serious. I've been reading Rod Dreher's Benedict Option stuff and I think more and more this is part of that--remembering what we had before the fall.

    You’re the guy hoarding old paintings inside a Fallout video game.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    I'll buy each of those portraits from the university for a symbolic sum, let's say $50 including the frame. In related news, I will also buy the horrible old statues from Confederate days from various afflicted municipalities for $1000 and even arrange to have them removed.

    Hey SJW bureaucrats, call me! Let's make a deal!

    , @slumber_j
    I don't even know wtf you're talking about here... But it sure sounds snarky!
  49. Except in the 2019 version, he’s being driven mad because the portraits aren’t of his ancestors, but of somebody else’s ancestors.

    And he isn’t the last scion of his lineage. He’s in the spreading canopy of his invasive family tree.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Not necessarily. Part of the reason these guys are so bitter is that they've been infected by the West too.
  50. “I think every institution needs to go out into the hallway and ask, ‘What kind of message are we sending?’”

    I always thought the message those institutions were saying was, “come to our institution because we have had all these Nobel laureates, and if you endeavor to become one too, what better place is there?”

    It’s similar to any athletics department at big-time U that feature their Heisman Trophy winners, national title banners and conference championship flags.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    So the jocks have more common sense than the nerds?
  51. “If this was Harry Potter,” he muses, “if they could speak, what would they even say to me?

    If an oil painting of the the Uber-not-person-of-color and – gasp! – Austrian (“we know who” came from there!) Conrad Röntgen could speak to this person with too many names who still sees the world through children’s books, Conrad would probably just restate the discovery that earned him the Nobel and guaranteed his bearded white visage placement in various institutions where intellect, discovery and innovation are encouraged.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/1901/rontgen/biographical/

    Perhaps Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako should spend a little more time in the library studying the world-changing works of these euro-badwhites and in the lab making his own culturally vague but scientifically precise contributions to medicine, instead of expending his all too fragile and temporal resources getting portraits removed from hallways.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    As I've no doubt mentioned a million times, my grandfather was Röntgen's delivery boy from the lens factory when the great man was inventing the x-ray machine in 1895. Years later my grandfather became an x-ray machine salesman and made a lot of money on long trips to Asia and South America selling hospitals their first ever x-ray machines. He'd get a massive sore on the back of his hand from using it to demonstrate his gizmo to the assembled doctors. Surprisingly, all the x-rays he absorbed didn't kill him and he lived to be 89.
    , @Eagle Eye
    Rontgen was German, not Austrian, with a Dutch mother, and grew up in Utrecht in the Netherlands. He taught for a while at the university in Strasbourg after Germany had taken Alsace and Lorraine from France.
  52. @Hypnotoad666
    I guess the current status quo is a symbolically empty "chick wall," representing all the women from the university who have won a Lasker or Nobel prize. They should leave it that way, as a means to inspire the ladies to be the first one up there.

    Funny, but too subtle. Remember you’re dealing with people who are close to criminalizing humor.

    I predict they’ll reconstitute that wall. It’ll even have a few white men. It’ll look like what Google returns now when you search for “American scientists” — people who found a new use for peanuts, patented bookkeeping software or invented oval headlights, plus a sprinkling of white guys who did minor stuff like quantum physics and the polio vaccine.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Speaking of subtle...

    a sprinkling of white guys who did minor stuff like quantum physics and the polio vaccine.
     
    We see what you did there. But yeah--you're right--those will be the only 'white guys' sprinkled in there. Hope you enjoy your Brave New World.
  53. I wonder if any of the authors of the report is related to

    https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/michael_fitzsousa/

  54. This is just like somebody moving into your home and taking down all your pictures from the wall. What’s surprising is not that they want to redecorate but why anyone would’ve expected anything else.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This was the mistake of the previous occupants. They thought that they were being generous and sharing their house with some newcomers to the neighborhood. It didn't occur to them that the newcomers would want to take down their family pictures. They expected gratitude - how generous that you are opening your doors to us. We admire your ancestors who built this beautiful mansion! Nope.

    Keep in mind that taking down your family portraits is only step 1. In step 2 they tell you to get out of the house (THEIR house) completely. I've seen this movie before.
  55. @Lot
    “Elizabeth Fitzsousa”

    John Phillip’s bastard daughter?

    “As Maddow entered the auditorium, someone overheard her say, “What is up with the dude wall?”

    Those dudes not only won Noble Prizes for advancing medical sciences, but they satisfied women in ways you can only dream with your rubber strapon fakes. The fem girls with you for the money or novelty’s sake... they are thinking about how long they can “experiment” and still achieve their dream of being a doctor’s wife.

    Elizabeth Fitzsousa and Sousa Fitzelizabeth

    Nah, not nearly as funny, in fact doesn’t work at all.

  56. Yale medical student Nientara Anderson –> her Instagram — appears she was born in Sri Lanka — assuming she is a medical student (? — per her Instagram she seems more interested in anti-whiteness than medicine), any white person really ought to review her social media first before consenting to be treated/diagnosed by her.

  57. @International Jew
    Funny, but too subtle. Remember you're dealing with people who are close to criminalizing humor.

    I predict they'll reconstitute that wall. It'll even have a few white men. It'll look like what Google returns now when you search for "American scientists" — people who found a new use for peanuts, patented bookkeeping software or invented oval headlights, plus a sprinkling of white guys who did minor stuff like quantum physics and the polio vaccine.

    Speaking of subtle…

    a sprinkling of white guys who did minor stuff like quantum physics and the polio vaccine.

    We see what you did there. But yeah–you’re right–those will be the only ‘white guys’ sprinkled in there. Hope you enjoy your Brave New World.

  58. Meanwhile in China (still unstrengthened by diversity, so the best is yet to come there):

  59. @Laurence Whelk

    “If this was Harry Potter,” he muses, “if they could speak, what would they even say to me?
     
    If an oil painting of the the Uber-not-person-of-color and - gasp! - Austrian (“we know who” came from there!) Conrad Röntgen could speak to this person with too many names who still sees the world through children’s books, Conrad would probably just restate the discovery that earned him the Nobel and guaranteed his bearded white visage placement in various institutions where intellect, discovery and innovation are encouraged.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/images/rontgen-13540-portrait-mini-2x.jpg

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/1901/rontgen/biographical/

    Perhaps Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako should spend a little more time in the library studying the world-changing works of these euro-badwhites and in the lab making his own culturally vague but scientifically precise contributions to medicine, instead of expending his all too fragile and temporal resources getting portraits removed from hallways.

    As I’ve no doubt mentioned a million times, my grandfather was Röntgen’s delivery boy from the lens factory when the great man was inventing the x-ray machine in 1895. Years later my grandfather became an x-ray machine salesman and made a lot of money on long trips to Asia and South America selling hospitals their first ever x-ray machines. He’d get a massive sore on the back of his hand from using it to demonstrate his gizmo to the assembled doctors. Surprisingly, all the x-rays he absorbed didn’t kill him and he lived to be 89.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Lucky guy. Working with x-rays in the late 19th/early 20th century was a dangerous business:

    Clarence Madison Dally (1865– October 2, 1904[1]) was an American glassblower, noted as an assistant to Thomas Edison in his work on X-rays and as an early victim of radiation dermatitis and its complications.
     

    Following Röntgen's work on X-rays in 1895, Clarence and his brother Charles worked on the development of the Edison X-ray focus tube, developing the fluoroscope using calcium tungstate. The Edison fluoroscope produced sharper images than the Röntgen fluoroscope, which used barium platinocyanide. At the time, the levels of X-rays produced were not believed to be dangerous. However, Edison noted how "the x-ray had affected poisonously my assistant, Mr. Dally."
     

    By 1900, Clarence Dally was suffering radiation damage to his hands and face sufficient to require time off work. Due to him being right handed, he used his left to test the beam from the machine. This caused his left hand to be affected before his right.[3] In 1902, one lesion on his left wrist was treated unsuccessfully with multiple skin grafts and eventually his left hand was amputated. . An ulceration on his right hand necessitated the amputation of four fingers.
     

    These procedures failed to halt the progression of his carcinoma, and despite the amputation of his arms at the elbow and shoulder, he died from mediastinal cancer. Dally is thought to be the first American to die from the effects of experimentation with radiation.[4] Following this, Thomas Edison abandoned his research on X-rays. In 1903, Edison said "Don't talk to me about X-rays, I am afraid of them."[5]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Madison_Dally
    , @PiltdownMan
    I'm glad you mentioned it one more time, Mr. Sailer. That's fascinating.

    Although doctors started noticing the effects of exposure x-rays pretty early on, systematic measurement of dosages really began only about 50 years after Roentgen, but once the safe dosages were established, the authorities moved pretty quickly. X-ray machines in shoe stores were outlawed the year I was born, 1958— my older siblings vaguely remember them.

    This tidbit from the web tells us how much more intense the radiation from the earliest machines was. Part of the problem was that the photographic emulsions of the early 20th century were very insensitive, so long or intense exposures were needed.



    More than 100 years after Röntgen’s first X-ray experiments, Gerrit Kemerink, a medical physicist at the Maastricht University Medical Center in the Netherlands, discovered an X-ray machine from the 1890s very similar to Röntgen’s original and used it to X-ray a hand specimen from his hospital. He found that to acquire the image, the hand received a radiation dose 1,500 times greater than today’s dosage—which explains why many people who were X-rayed or who worked with the original machines suffered from radiation burns and loss of hair. There was also a marked difference in the exposure time required: it took Kemerink 90 minutes to image the hand using the 19th century machine, compared to 20 milliseconds using modern X-ray machines. "How you could keep still, I don't know!" Kemerink says.

     

    https://www.the-scientist.com/foundations/the-first-x-ray-1895-42279
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3520298/
  60. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Western Morality of Current Year.

    “I’m better than you because I love blacks more than you do.”

    “I’m better than you because I love Jews more than you do.” (So says Trump to Omar and Tlaib.)

    “I’m better than you because I love homos more than you do.”

    Certain groups enjoy the privilege of the Cult of Identity.

    Four categories of groups.

    1. People you must like.

    2. People you don’t have to like.

    3. People you don’t have to hate.

    4. People you must hate.

  61. @Steve Sailer
    As I've no doubt mentioned a million times, my grandfather was Röntgen's delivery boy from the lens factory when the great man was inventing the x-ray machine in 1895. Years later my grandfather became an x-ray machine salesman and made a lot of money on long trips to Asia and South America selling hospitals their first ever x-ray machines. He'd get a massive sore on the back of his hand from using it to demonstrate his gizmo to the assembled doctors. Surprisingly, all the x-rays he absorbed didn't kill him and he lived to be 89.

    Lucky guy. Working with x-rays in the late 19th/early 20th century was a dangerous business:

    Clarence Madison Dally (1865– October 2, 1904[1]) was an American glassblower, noted as an assistant to Thomas Edison in his work on X-rays and as an early victim of radiation dermatitis and its complications.

    Following Röntgen’s work on X-rays in 1895, Clarence and his brother Charles worked on the development of the Edison X-ray focus tube, developing the fluoroscope using calcium tungstate. The Edison fluoroscope produced sharper images than the Röntgen fluoroscope, which used barium platinocyanide. At the time, the levels of X-rays produced were not believed to be dangerous. However, Edison noted how “the x-ray had affected poisonously my assistant, Mr. Dally.”

    By 1900, Clarence Dally was suffering radiation damage to his hands and face sufficient to require time off work. Due to him being right handed, he used his left to test the beam from the machine. This caused his left hand to be affected before his right.[3] In 1902, one lesion on his left wrist was treated unsuccessfully with multiple skin grafts and eventually his left hand was amputated. . An ulceration on his right hand necessitated the amputation of four fingers.

    These procedures failed to halt the progression of his carcinoma, and despite the amputation of his arms at the elbow and shoulder, he died from mediastinal cancer. Dally is thought to be the first American to die from the effects of experimentation with radiation.[4] Following this, Thomas Edison abandoned his research on X-rays. In 1903, Edison said “Don’t talk to me about X-rays, I am afraid of them.”[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Madison_Dally

  62. @JimB

    Except in the 2019 version, he’s being driven mad because the portraits aren’t of his ancestors, but of somebody else’s ancestors.
     
    And he isn’t the last scion of his lineage. He’s in the spreading canopy of his invasive family tree.

    Not necessarily. Part of the reason these guys are so bitter is that they’ve been infected by the West too.

  63. “What is up with the dude wall?”

    HA! HA! I’m sure when they were tearing down Confederate statues and even a Confederate-prisoner-of-war-killed-because-of-appalling-camp-conditons cemetery, Dr. Jeffrey Flier did not object and even gave himself nice warm feelings of good thought by approving of such ‘racially healing’ measures.

    Well, F’IM for crying about the erasure of HIS heroes now that SJWs have deigned to notice the White Doctors Plot.

    Down with the bro-healers!

  64. @Anon7
    “The reaction should be to try and get your picture on that wall.”

    This is exactly the purpose of those pictures. And I’ll tell you that the bar is set pretty damn high in academic medicine. Imagine a guy with a 150+ IQ putting his heart and soul into the most stressful and challenging profession for 110 hours per week, fifty weeks per year for a career lasting forty years and you’ll get an idea of what it takes to meet the minimum standard to be considered for a picture on that wall.

    Taking down those pictures makes a mockery of that tradition.

    When you put it that way , if anything, a portrait is not enough.

    These men deserve more recognition, not less.

    • Replies: @JimB
    At hospitals and clinics, every patient should be required to read and sign a document expressing gratitude to the doctors who pioneered his treatment. Then his name would be added to a gratitude database.
  65. @Clifford Brown

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    #BigGirlSummer is apparently still going strong as Lizzo celebrates body positivity and natural hair with an invigorating gospel influenced medley of her latest hits. The beloved Lizzo's performance at the MTV VMA Show was the perfect embodiment of our idiocracy's values in 2019.

    This is who we are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0RK_olDb4

    This is who we be.

    • Replies: @getaclue
    Didn do nuffin
  66. @Kyle

    "This institution was never meant for me": the Impact of Institutional Historical Portraiture on Medical Students.
    Fitzsousa E, et al. J Gen Intern Med. 2019.

     

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11606-019-05138-9

    We conducted a qualitative interview study of Yale medical students from the classes of 2018–2021 to assess their perspective on institutional portraiture.
     

    Acknowledgments
    Elizabeth Fitzsousa was funded by the YSM Medical Student Fellowship.
    Compliance with Ethical Standards
    Conflict of Interest
    The authors declare that they do not have a conflict of interest.
     

    Buy article (PDF)
    USD 39.95
     
    DOI
    https://doi.org/10.1007/s11606-019-05138-9

    “This institution was never meant for me”: the Impact of Institutional Historical Portraiture on Medical Students.
    Fitzsousa E, et al. J Gen Intern Med. 2019.

    And yet here you are.

  67. @Polemos
    You're the guy hoarding old paintings inside a Fallout video game.

    I’ll buy each of those portraits from the university for a symbolic sum, let’s say $50 including the frame. In related news, I will also buy the horrible old statues from Confederate days from various afflicted municipalities for $1000 and even arrange to have them removed.

    Hey SJW bureaucrats, call me! Let’s make a deal!

  68. @J.Ross
    Stop everything, a bantering anchorwoman in Oklahoma mumbled that a gorilla in a feature story resembled her cohost.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/27/us/oklahoma-tv-anchor-apologizes-racist-comments-soh/index.html

    Stop everything, a bantering anchorwoman in Oklahoma mumbled that a gorilla in a feature story resembled her cohost.

    Except the gorilla is smarter.

  69. @SFG
    Somebody should make a list of the guys they took down so it can be reconstructed virtually. I'm serious. I've been reading Rod Dreher's Benedict Option stuff and I think more and more this is part of that--remembering what we had before the fall.

    Some of us prefer “The Roof Korean Option”.

  70. @istevefan

    “I think every institution needs to go out into the hallway and ask, ‘What kind of message are we sending?'”
     
    I always thought the message those institutions were saying was, "come to our institution because we have had all these Nobel laureates, and if you endeavor to become one too, what better place is there?"

    It's similar to any athletics department at big-time U that feature their Heisman Trophy winners, national title banners and conference championship flags.

    So the jocks have more common sense than the nerds?

  71. @Steve Sailer
    As I've no doubt mentioned a million times, my grandfather was Röntgen's delivery boy from the lens factory when the great man was inventing the x-ray machine in 1895. Years later my grandfather became an x-ray machine salesman and made a lot of money on long trips to Asia and South America selling hospitals their first ever x-ray machines. He'd get a massive sore on the back of his hand from using it to demonstrate his gizmo to the assembled doctors. Surprisingly, all the x-rays he absorbed didn't kill him and he lived to be 89.

    I’m glad you mentioned it one more time, Mr. Sailer. That’s fascinating.

    Although doctors started noticing the effects of exposure x-rays pretty early on, systematic measurement of dosages really began only about 50 years after Roentgen, but once the safe dosages were established, the authorities moved pretty quickly. X-ray machines in shoe stores were outlawed the year I was born, 1958— my older siblings vaguely remember them.

    This tidbit from the web tells us how much more intense the radiation from the earliest machines was. Part of the problem was that the photographic emulsions of the early 20th century were very insensitive, so long or intense exposures were needed.


    More than 100 years after Röntgen’s first X-ray experiments, Gerrit Kemerink, a medical physicist at the Maastricht University Medical Center in the Netherlands, discovered an X-ray machine from the 1890s very similar to Röntgen’s original and used it to X-ray a hand specimen from his hospital. He found that to acquire the image, the hand received a radiation dose 1,500 times greater than today’s dosage—which explains why many people who were X-rayed or who worked with the original machines suffered from radiation burns and loss of hair. There was also a marked difference in the exposure time required: it took Kemerink 90 minutes to image the hand using the 19th century machine, compared to 20 milliseconds using modern X-ray machines. “How you could keep still, I don’t know!” Kemerink says.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/foundations/the-first-x-ray-1895-42279
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3520298/

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I doubt this is accurate. If people (with broken limbs) had to sit still for 90 minutes, these accounts would have come down to us in the literature just as we have early accounts of photographic sitters being required to sit still for long exposures. Either the machine he was using was not running properly or else he was using an emulsion that was much less sensitive than what they really had, but I really doubt that early x-rays required a 90 minute exposure. It would not have been adopted as quickly as it was (and it was adopted very quickly - the 1st hospital radiology dept. opened in Glasgow less than a year after Roentgen's discovery in Germany) if that was true.

    Of course nowadays such a discovery would be considered dangerous and no human use would be permitted. The FDA would study it for 20 years and then decide not to approve it. Or else if it was permitted, all of the human "victims" would later sue the mfr (and Roentgen personally) for giving them cancer and collect billions.
  72. @Bacsi
    Steve, I use to think the SJW thing was just a passing fad. I still have many libertarian or liberal sensibilities, but this video is a real representation of the cultural, revolutionary zeitgeist which isn’t going away through liberal principles.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lt1umirFdY4

    Steve, I use to think the SJW thing was just a passing fad. I still have many libertarian or liberal sensibilities, but this video is a real representation of the cultural, revolutionary zeitgeist which isn’t going away through liberal principles.

    Yes, it is not going away. It is a way of thinking that has been institutionalized in the humanities departments of our universities over a generation, and is now imparted routinely as formal instruction to tens of thousands of undergraduates in large variety of humanities courses, and not just in gender studies courses or English departments. Deconstructionist analysis through the lens of gender, race and identity is what is taught as the substance of critical thinking in higher education. There’s almost no way to avoid it in America, short of not getting a university education at all.

    Matters are a little better in Britain, Europe and elsewhere, because their universities don’t have compulsory humanities distribution requirements for STEM and economics majors.

  73. He grew up reading Harry Potter books, and in that fictional world, portraits can talk to the characters. “If this was Harry Potter,” he muses, “if they could speak, what would they even say to me?

    It’s revealing that even in his own fantasy world, the young Dr. Caffettiera Moka imagines that a wall of storied medical researchers would say something like “Massuh he done left you in de obben lil too long time!,” rather than encouraging platitudes.

    I don’t see many Koreans on the wall, or even on the Lasker awards list, yet one suspects the Kims, Lees and Parks buzzing around Yale medical school don’t share the same mindset. If there’s a more potent combination of neuroses in creating obnoxious striver turds than brown pepo narcissism and an inferiority complex, may the next Lasker recipient get to work combating it.

  74. “The word ‘dude wall,’ crystallized something that had been bothering me for years.”

    Could be a bladder stone.

    “I constantly encounters lobbies, conference rooms, passageways, and lecture halls that are decorated with portraits of white men.”

    Could be schizophrenia.

    “Walls are sending me messages!”

    It’s schizophrenia.

    “But I’m now on a committee that’s redesigning that wall of portraits at Rockefeller University, to add more diversity.”

    I hope your are not getting paid for this shit.

  75. I read all the Harry Potter books and watched all the movies with my kids and I am almost positive every portrait hanging on the walls of Hogwarts was of people who think they are white, as T. Coates would put it. Also, although there were a lot of characters who were people of color, not one was a major hero or villain. Rowling clearly just put them in as window dressing for her story about white people.

  76. @Kyle

    says Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako, a medical student at Yale.
     

    Yale medical student Nientara Anderson recently teamed up with fellow student Elizabeth Fitzsousa and associate professor Dr. Anna Reisman
     
    These peoples names are fantastic. It’s almost as though like they sprang from the mind of various isteve commenters. How do we know these are even real people? Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako sounds like a first generation Nigerian who’s immigrant father named him after his favorite model of athletic shoe. Nientara Anderson and Elizabeth Fitzsousa sound like they descend from a long line of normans with just enough ethnic in their names to be plausibly diverse.

    The wall was just callin em Poc 4, Poc 7 etc.

  77. @Currahee
    Stolen from someone else (I forget who),

    Millennial history outline:
    -Slavery
    -Emancipation
    -Jim Crow
    -MLK
    -Harry Potter!

    You never heard about the 600 gogorillion? You stupid goy!!!

  78. @KunioKun
    It is really weird how the left takes itself so seriously when they roam around looking for stuff to destroy, but they use childish terms like Dude and Boobs. "If you disagree with me I'll have you fired and have a mob throw rocks at you, but don't be so uptight. Let's have ice cream."

    Both reactions come from emotional immaturity, so it’s really not weird at all

  79. Yale medical student Nientara Anderson recently teamed up … to study the effect of this artwork; the results were published in July in the Journal of General Internal Medicine.

    This is considered medical research ? This was published instead of, say, an article about antibiotics?

    We are so doomed.

  80. @Lot
    “Elizabeth Fitzsousa”

    John Phillip’s bastard daughter?

    “As Maddow entered the auditorium, someone overheard her say, “What is up with the dude wall?”

    Those dudes not only won Noble Prizes for advancing medical sciences, but they satisfied women in ways you can only dream with your rubber strapon fakes. The fem girls with you for the money or novelty’s sake... they are thinking about how long they can “experiment” and still achieve their dream of being a doctor’s wife.

    In the UK more than half of med students are female, so the competition to be a male doctor’s wife is pretty high, plus there’s a lot of lady doctors who won’t ever grab one.

    Not to mention all the disappointed nurses, for whom doctors were the prize mate ‘in elder days before the Fall‘.

    Given that there’s not been a compensating influx of males into nursing, medicine is becoming feminised, just like midwifery used to be before people like Semmelweiss butted in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    Medical specialties requiring many more years of training are still male dominated - neurosurgery for example. But soon yes, they will drive all men out of medicine as the profession will no longer be prestigious to men (that is, it won’t help a man attract high quality women any longer, so what’s the point), and women will be demanding entry into the digital currency industry or whatever else men are doing to make money.
  81. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    The ingratitude, the offensive smugness, the idiotic self-centeredness leads me to believe this cannot be resolved through reason.

    Consider our friends Corvinus, and Paleo Liberal. Their views were not arrived at through reason, and reason is impotent to dissuade them from their religious zealotry.

    1.5% X 340,000,000 = 5,100,000

    And Corvinus and Paleo will say, "How did > 5M deaths happen?" and "That escalated quickly." and "Damn, I had to eat both my cat and my neighbor's cat this week." and later "Hmm, my neighbor is a vegan, so eating him won't necessarily result in mad cow disease."

    We live in interesting times. Scary, but interesting.

    I don’t think we will be eating our cats any time soon. Many societies have survived much worse and muddled through. So far they are taking down these guy’s pictures but the men themselves (the ones who are still alive) are for the most part still at their desks. The Leftists are tearing down icons but they aren’t pitching real live humans out of actual windows. At least not yet.

    And humans have a way of coming to their senses eventually. Other societies have gone thru purges and eventually come to regret it and to “rehabilitate” the purged. Even in the US there are some signs that the Maoists have not taken full power. San Francisco has now pulled back from its plan to permanently paint over the Washington murals. The College Board has withdrawn its plan to issue “Adversity Scores” for each SAT taker. Of course eternal vigilance is required but the battle is not yet lost.

  82. @Clifford Brown

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.
     
    #BigGirlSummer is apparently still going strong as Lizzo celebrates body positivity and natural hair with an invigorating gospel influenced medley of her latest hits. The beloved Lizzo's performance at the MTV VMA Show was the perfect embodiment of our idiocracy's values in 2019.

    This is who we are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0RK_olDb4

    Almost as disgusting as the recent outbreak of Venus razer commercials.

  83. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    “Try to win a Nobel Prize or a Lasker Award. If you do, we’ll put your portrait up on the wall.”

    I don’t know, but in the Current Year, this sentence, and the concept behind it, a la, ‘boys girls, as well as all genders in this planet, either you can compete with the past when the US was less inclusive, more intolerant, and less willing to just automatically give out free passes to peoples of color, or you cannot’, it does sound just an itsy bitsy teeny weeny intolerant. And hurtful. Aren’t universities supposed to be safe spaces for people of color? And instead they see this room with no diversity on the walls.

    Also it does go vs. the grain that whites are to blame for all the worlds problems when the portraits are honoring people who helped improve humanity, and they’re all white.

    There’s probably a meme in here somewhere just waiting to come out to make the point.

    “Aren’t universities supposed to be safe spaces for people of color”?
    Aren’t universities supposed to be safe places for people with coloring books.
    Fixed it for you.

  84. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill? "

    Well, when people are taught things their entire lives that contradict everything their instincts and observations teach them, I suppose this is the outcome.

    Instead of _finally_ curing cancer and other deadly diseases with nanotechnology and other computer tech available today, these future doctors will be focused on how much they hate elderly white patients.

    They need to buckle down and get to work–and any med school that does not teach _that_ message does not deserve to be funded by the taxpayers.

  85. @bjdubbs
    This is just like somebody moving into your home and taking down all your pictures from the wall. What's surprising is not that they want to redecorate but why anyone would've expected anything else.

    This was the mistake of the previous occupants. They thought that they were being generous and sharing their house with some newcomers to the neighborhood. It didn’t occur to them that the newcomers would want to take down their family pictures. They expected gratitude – how generous that you are opening your doors to us. We admire your ancestors who built this beautiful mansion! Nope.

    Keep in mind that taking down your family portraits is only step 1. In step 2 they tell you to get out of the house (THEIR house) completely. I’ve seen this movie before.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  86. Ain’t it so, This is how the world ends, Not with a bang, but a whimpering case of confused “diversity” “me-tooers” all chanting in unison how ““They actually felt that the portraits reinforced contemporary issues of exclusion, of racial discrimination — of othering.” Perfect picture of what a modern state run leftist school system can do to a weak mind that’s fed propaganda for 12 years or more.

  87. @SFG
    Somebody should make a list of the guys they took down so it can be reconstructed virtually. I'm serious. I've been reading Rod Dreher's Benedict Option stuff and I think more and more this is part of that--remembering what we had before the fall.

    There must be tens of thousands of people in America who think they’re going to be the ones to “preserve the culture” because they read Canticle for Liebowitz. It’s just about feeling good, feeling special. Why not read things about the American Revolution? This country exists because people fought and died for it. We remember the founders, we don’t remember the people who sat it out.

  88. @Thoughts
    When you put it that way , if anything, a portrait is not enough.

    These men deserve more recognition, not less.

    At hospitals and clinics, every patient should be required to read and sign a document expressing gratitude to the doctors who pioneered his treatment. Then his name would be added to a gratitude database.

  89. @Buzz Mohawk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaWY6CmZUkI

    “They look at you (Kennedy) and see what they want to be; they look at me (Nixon) and see what they are.”

    OK, so we all admire the glamour of being a reckless philanderer, but plod though life, by necessity and circumstance perhaps, true and faithful to a lifetime marriage partner?

    We aspire to be reckless dilattantes bankrolled by our dad’s shady fortune, but we end up as skilled, dilligent practitioners of vocations by which we support ourselves?

    We look at Oliver Stone as a Hollywood Great, but wonder to ourselves how anyone above the age of 2 regards his work product as anything but lame?

    We look to Anthony Hopkins as one of the great actors, but we turn to ourselves to question how anyone that gifted would have to accept that role in a movie?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Point well taken. It crossed my mind. Just as I pick Mary Ann over Ginger, I choose Nixon over Kennedy for president. He won in 1960 BTW. If that hadn't been stolen from him, our alternative history would have been better, methinks.
  90. @PiltdownMan
    I'm glad you mentioned it one more time, Mr. Sailer. That's fascinating.

    Although doctors started noticing the effects of exposure x-rays pretty early on, systematic measurement of dosages really began only about 50 years after Roentgen, but once the safe dosages were established, the authorities moved pretty quickly. X-ray machines in shoe stores were outlawed the year I was born, 1958— my older siblings vaguely remember them.

    This tidbit from the web tells us how much more intense the radiation from the earliest machines was. Part of the problem was that the photographic emulsions of the early 20th century were very insensitive, so long or intense exposures were needed.



    More than 100 years after Röntgen’s first X-ray experiments, Gerrit Kemerink, a medical physicist at the Maastricht University Medical Center in the Netherlands, discovered an X-ray machine from the 1890s very similar to Röntgen’s original and used it to X-ray a hand specimen from his hospital. He found that to acquire the image, the hand received a radiation dose 1,500 times greater than today’s dosage—which explains why many people who were X-rayed or who worked with the original machines suffered from radiation burns and loss of hair. There was also a marked difference in the exposure time required: it took Kemerink 90 minutes to image the hand using the 19th century machine, compared to 20 milliseconds using modern X-ray machines. "How you could keep still, I don't know!" Kemerink says.

     

    https://www.the-scientist.com/foundations/the-first-x-ray-1895-42279
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3520298/

    I doubt this is accurate. If people (with broken limbs) had to sit still for 90 minutes, these accounts would have come down to us in the literature just as we have early accounts of photographic sitters being required to sit still for long exposures. Either the machine he was using was not running properly or else he was using an emulsion that was much less sensitive than what they really had, but I really doubt that early x-rays required a 90 minute exposure. It would not have been adopted as quickly as it was (and it was adopted very quickly – the 1st hospital radiology dept. opened in Glasgow less than a year after Roentgen’s discovery in Germany) if that was true.

    Of course nowadays such a discovery would be considered dangerous and no human use would be permitted. The FDA would study it for 20 years and then decide not to approve it. Or else if it was permitted, all of the human “victims” would later sue the mfr (and Roentgen personally) for giving them cancer and collect billions.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @bruce county
    I saw nothing of the 90 min. exposure time in this article.. but 30 min. and more...Extreme.!
    Photographic emulsions were slow back then.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3520298/
  91. @Inquiring Mind
    "They look at you (Kennedy) and see what they want to be; they look at me (Nixon) and see what they are."

    OK, so we all admire the glamour of being a reckless philanderer, but plod though life, by necessity and circumstance perhaps, true and faithful to a lifetime marriage partner?

    We aspire to be reckless dilattantes bankrolled by our dad's shady fortune, but we end up as skilled, dilligent practitioners of vocations by which we support ourselves?

    We look at Oliver Stone as a Hollywood Great, but wonder to ourselves how anyone above the age of 2 regards his work product as anything but lame?

    We look to Anthony Hopkins as one of the great actors, but we turn to ourselves to question how anyone that gifted would have to accept that role in a movie?

    Point well taken. It crossed my mind. Just as I pick Mary Ann over Ginger, I choose Nixon over Kennedy for president. He won in 1960 BTW. If that hadn’t been stolen from him, our alternative history would have been better, methinks.

    • Agree: Old Palo Altan
  92. @Jack D
    I doubt this is accurate. If people (with broken limbs) had to sit still for 90 minutes, these accounts would have come down to us in the literature just as we have early accounts of photographic sitters being required to sit still for long exposures. Either the machine he was using was not running properly or else he was using an emulsion that was much less sensitive than what they really had, but I really doubt that early x-rays required a 90 minute exposure. It would not have been adopted as quickly as it was (and it was adopted very quickly - the 1st hospital radiology dept. opened in Glasgow less than a year after Roentgen's discovery in Germany) if that was true.

    Of course nowadays such a discovery would be considered dangerous and no human use would be permitted. The FDA would study it for 20 years and then decide not to approve it. Or else if it was permitted, all of the human "victims" would later sue the mfr (and Roentgen personally) for giving them cancer and collect billions.

    I saw nothing of the 90 min. exposure time in this article.. but 30 min. and more…Extreme.!
    Photographic emulsions were slow back then.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3520298/

  93. @Laurence Whelk

    “If this was Harry Potter,” he muses, “if they could speak, what would they even say to me?
     
    If an oil painting of the the Uber-not-person-of-color and - gasp! - Austrian (“we know who” came from there!) Conrad Röntgen could speak to this person with too many names who still sees the world through children’s books, Conrad would probably just restate the discovery that earned him the Nobel and guaranteed his bearded white visage placement in various institutions where intellect, discovery and innovation are encouraged.

    https://www.nobelprize.org/images/rontgen-13540-portrait-mini-2x.jpg

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/1901/rontgen/biographical/

    Perhaps Max Jordan Nguemeni Tiako should spend a little more time in the library studying the world-changing works of these euro-badwhites and in the lab making his own culturally vague but scientifically precise contributions to medicine, instead of expending his all too fragile and temporal resources getting portraits removed from hallways.

    Rontgen was German, not Austrian, with a Dutch mother, and grew up in Utrecht in the Netherlands. He taught for a while at the university in Strasbourg after Germany had taken Alsace and Lorraine from France.

  94. Alright, I agree, dudes are boring. Let’s see pussy wall.

  95. Rachel Maddow hates “dude walls” full of dude portraits, and yet she favors dude clothing and a dude haircut for herself. If you saw a portrait of Rachel among a bunch of dude portraits, you’d assume she was just one of the dudes.

    #ThangsThatMakeYaHind-EndGoHmm

  96. So, who’s really dumber or crazier? These meat spanking clowns, or the spineless groveling people who give in to their demented whims. Look around. The Gestapo toddlers are handing us our asses.

  97. Steve, Trump looks better every day:

  98. @Polemos
    You're the guy hoarding old paintings inside a Fallout video game.

    I don’t even know wtf you’re talking about here… But it sure sounds snarky!

  99. @YetAnotherAnon
    In the UK more than half of med students are female, so the competition to be a male doctor's wife is pretty high, plus there's a lot of lady doctors who won't ever grab one.

    Not to mention all the disappointed nurses, for whom doctors were the prize mate 'in elder days before the Fall'.

    Given that there's not been a compensating influx of males into nursing, medicine is becoming feminised, just like midwifery used to be before people like Semmelweiss butted in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

    Medical specialties requiring many more years of training are still male dominated – neurosurgery for example. But soon yes, they will drive all men out of medicine as the profession will no longer be prestigious to men (that is, it won’t help a man attract high quality women any longer, so what’s the point), and women will be demanding entry into the digital currency industry or whatever else men are doing to make money.

  100. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Do you ever get the feeling that today’s youth are strongly encouraged by our society to say things that make them seem mentally ill? "

    Well, when people are taught things their entire lives that contradict everything their instincts and observations teach them, I suppose this is the outcome.

    Who cares if they can do the surgery! My question is — are they a Person Of Color?

  101. @Jack Henson
    This country deserves every inch of the grave its dug for itself.

    The “grave” was dug by Globalist New World Order “Elites” networked worldwide and mostly banksters–the working class of the “country” had nothing to do with it basically…they were given a choice to vote for bad or worse of they Uniparty and Wall Street cretins were allowed to basically ship the industry of the “country” to China and cash in on doing so, while flooding it with 3rd World immigrants legal and illegal thru the sell outs in Congress/Ted Kennedy etc…so I don’t agree with your statement.

    • Replies: @Realist

    ...the working class of the “country” had nothing to do with it basically…they were given a choice to vote for bad or worse of they Uniparty and Wall Street cretins...
     
    The better choice would be to not vote at all...but rebel. What's with the run on sentence?
    , @Jack Henson
    Boomer deflection itt
  102. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    “Try to win a Nobel Prize or a Lasker Award. If you do, we’ll put your portrait up on the wall.”

    I don’t know, but in the Current Year, this sentence, and the concept behind it, a la, ‘boys girls, as well as all genders in this planet, either you can compete with the past when the US was less inclusive, more intolerant, and less willing to just automatically give out free passes to peoples of color, or you cannot’, it does sound just an itsy bitsy teeny weeny intolerant. And hurtful. Aren’t universities supposed to be safe spaces for people of color? And instead they see this room with no diversity on the walls.

    Also it does go vs. the grain that whites are to blame for all the worlds problems when the portraits are honoring people who helped improve humanity, and they’re all white.

    There’s probably a meme in here somewhere just waiting to come out to make the point.

    I understand they have decided that Nobel Prizes really just need to be given based on Diversity these days anyway so who cares about them? When they gave it to Obama that gig was blown forever.

  103. @Pericles
    This is who we be.

    Didn do nuffin

  104. @getaclue
    The "grave" was dug by Globalist New World Order "Elites" networked worldwide and mostly banksters--the working class of the "country" had nothing to do with it basically...they were given a choice to vote for bad or worse of they Uniparty and Wall Street cretins were allowed to basically ship the industry of the "country" to China and cash in on doing so, while flooding it with 3rd World immigrants legal and illegal thru the sell outs in Congress/Ted Kennedy etc...so I don't agree with your statement.

    …the working class of the “country” had nothing to do with it basically…they were given a choice to vote for bad or worse of they Uniparty and Wall Street cretins…

    The better choice would be to not vote at all…but rebel. What’s with the run on sentence?

  105. The original LGdL

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/women_and_minorities_in_science.htm

    Conclusions
    La Griffe predicts that the PhD market in the math-intensive technical areas will saturate at almost 99 percent White and Asian. Of the Asians, almost all will be either Chinese, Japanese, Korean or South Asian. Whites will fill 59 to 72 percent of the jobs, Asians: 26 to 40 percent. Asians will continue to be represented well beyond their proportion in the general population.

    And this

    Girls lean more toward fields like psychology, while similarly talented men incline toward engineering or physical science. A study6 by Lubinski and Benbow followed the careers of mathematically precocious youth from age 13 to 23. All were in the top 1% of mathematical ability. At age 23 less than 1% of the girls were pursuing doctorates in mathematics, engineering, or physical science, while almost 8% of the boys were. Equal aptitude not withstanding, girls pursued doctorates in biology at more than twice the rate of boys, and in the humanities at almost three times the rate of boys. For all these reasons, we should regard 29% as an upper bound to the percentage of women in the technological work force. In practice, their numbers will be significantly less.

    Q: If all this is so, why are we meeting here today?

    A: Good question. We are meeting here today because feminists, in order to support their androgynous fantasies, encourage able young women to enter technological fields even when their interests lie elsewhere.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/math.htm

  106. “I think every institution needs to go out into the hallway and ask, ‘What kind of message are we sending?’”

    Uh … perhaps a message like: “Try to win a Nobel Prize or a Lasker Award. If you do, we’ll put your portrait up on the wall.”

    lol! Comedy Gold!! This is why I love this site so much.

  107. @getaclue
    The "grave" was dug by Globalist New World Order "Elites" networked worldwide and mostly banksters--the working class of the "country" had nothing to do with it basically...they were given a choice to vote for bad or worse of they Uniparty and Wall Street cretins were allowed to basically ship the industry of the "country" to China and cash in on doing so, while flooding it with 3rd World immigrants legal and illegal thru the sell outs in Congress/Ted Kennedy etc...so I don't agree with your statement.

    Boomer deflection itt

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