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iSteve commenter AnotherDad analogizes:

While there are plenty of manifestations, I think the main reason things have gotten loonier and loonier is that a society piloted by Jewish minoritarianism is just an inherently unstable kludge … kind of like the 737 MAX.

Plenty of us have wondered, “why don’t they just ease up a bit?” Or “does it really benefit them to turn us into Brazil?”

But it’s hard to keep the minoritarian project flying smoothly. …

But to keep the minoritarian project flying you really need engines kicking out some thrust. The thrust\justification being majority misbehavior. Without the thrust that the majority is bad, the minoritarian project stalls. And in America the only fuel for that is blacks–slavery, lynchings, Jim Crow. Jews manage to get themselves super excited about Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust, but to everyone else–not insanely tribal–that’s petty douchebaggery. So blacks, black grievances, are the fuel.

But that’s the rub. Blacks are a very combustible fuel. They do rude, crazy, stupid, violent stuff all the time. And minoritarianism having ushered in the age of mass immigration blacks no longer just get compared to whites–with the “oppressed” cover–but get compared to other non-white minorities–Asians, but especially Mexicans most of whom had their families come here with nothing just a few decades or even a few years back. So minoritarian driven diversity is itself providing a comparative context which is not so great for the minoritarian narrative.

Whites looking at black behavior in light of diversity and 50 years of civil rights are more and more likely to come to HBDish and culturish conclusions and think, “Hey some groups of people just do better than other groups”.

But this sort of “hey wait a minute?” thinking driven by black dysfunction is very very dangerous. It pitches up the nose and threatens to stall the minoritarian project. Pretty soon whites start to think “hey our group isn’t bad.” Then it’s “hey, when you think about it we white gentiles have created the nicest nations on earth!–prosperous, peaceful, law-abiding.” Suddenly whites are cancelling their tickets on the MAX, reclaiming their Euro heritage and flying the much more stable A320.

But the minoritarian project is both emotionally critical and extremely lucrative to left\establishment Jews and a lot of their fellow travellers. So something has to be done to handle these negative assessments of black behavior from stalling the project.

Call it the Minority Assessment Control System (MACS).

Anytime dysfunctional black behavior might have whites questioning minoritarianism or, God forbid, thinking white people are pretty good eggs, and minoritarianism might stall, MACS kicks in–“legacy of slavery”, “white privilege”, “redlining”, “invisible knapsack”, “microaggressions”, “stereotype threat”, “structural racism”–to push the nose down and keep minoritarianism speeding along.

The problem is the sensors are hyper-sensitive and black dysfunction and white non-narrative compliant responses are omnipresent. So MACS is kicking in all the time… pushing our nose down further and further, again and again and threatening to fly us all into the ground.

 
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  1. One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
    , @Cagey Beast
    That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied [...]

    ... human nature and recorded history. Did the Jews make the Aztecs behave so horribly? Did the Jews make Plato and Confucius such elitists? The answer seems obvious to the reasonable man but not to many superstars of the alt-right*.

    I'm agreeing with you and just expanding on your point. The middlebrows in the dissident Right need to be challenged on this. Otherwise they'll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects. Of course they won't listen; that's the defining characteristic of being militantly stupid.

    * (Sven/Jesse of TDS is especially bad for this. In the April 3rd episode of their show, he essentially said he has to blame the Jews for everyone's human failings, otherwise his whole worldview would collapse).

    , @Jon
    Boycott, Divest, Sanction. It may not have much of an overall positive effect, bit it sure makes a guy feel good.
    , @SFG
    All IMHO of course, but:

    Who would dare?

    You'd be unpersoned just like any other un-PC right wing journalist, and you wouldn't have the support networks other dissident-right figures would have.

    There was a fellow, Joshua Seidel, who actually wrote a defense of the alt-right in the Forward, saying basically what AnotherDad said: you're going to throw whites out of power, and the POC will turn on you. Unfortunately he tried to claim he was actually on it, and got several hundred comments saying things like 'go kill yourself' or 'we would kill you' or (more charitably) go to Israel. A few were sympathetic, but nobody's heard much from him since.

    There are dudes like Frame Game Radio, but they remain anonymous.

    For what it's worth David Frum, despite his other sins in the Iraq War, has been writing cases for immigration restriction from the Atlantic (of all places), Yoram Hazony defended the right to Anglo-American nationalism, Eric Kaufman has a new book (which Steve really ought to review) arguing that some degree of white ID politics are expected and legitimate. Breitbart and the Drudge Report did a lot to help elect DJT, and have not been huge advocates of unrestricted immigration, to say the least. (They're pro-Israel, but then I wouldn't expect Bill O'Reilly to complain about the IRA.)

    (None of this is to deny neocon immigration love, of course, but their major contribution seems instead to have been in foreign policy, specifically the greatest foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.)

    They haven't really *called out their relatives as such*, true. But if they did, they'd just wind up jobless, and the actual Nazis would keep sending them death threats, because while POC hustlers are willing to keep a few pet white 'allies' around for useful idiots, to the Andrew Anglin types every person of Jewish ancestry belongs in an oven or in a bog.

    So the Stephen Miller types vote Republican, argue for the traditional West where they can, and keep their mouths shut about their relatives.

    , @Desiderius
    The hole in the hard JQ take is not good Jews, it’s bad whites. The invisible knapsack for instance is from the inventor of the concept of white privilege who used it to camouflage her own class and wealth privilege.

    https://quillette.com/2018/08/29/unpacking-peggy-mcintoshs-knapsack/
    , @Redneck farmer
    David Cole over at Takimag has some interesting columns about his fellow Jews.
    , @TED
    When your tribe has been kicked out of just about every respectable country on earth, maybe the problem isn't with the countries, and you should start taking some really critical looks at your behavior.
    , @Anon

    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior,
     
    Its not so much sad as a matter of fact of the Jewish belief system.

    Optimistically attributing their lack of engagement to an ostensibly correctable flaw in their social behavior is mischaracterizing their supremacist belief system and allowing them ever more time to "correct".

    The actual correction needs to be on the part of gentiles, such as yourself, who have to be willing to engage with Judaism how it is (and says that it is), in this case, by asserting that Judaism is constitutionally (doctrinally) incapable of engaging with gentile critiques of Judaism.

    In short, start treating Judaism like the unrepentant psychopath's religion that it is rather than the nice guy waiting to emerge that you are secretly hoping it to be. Not doing this leaves yourself and everyone else continuously open to being victims of the Jewish group because it allows it too much freedom and benefit of the doubt (for nothing in return).

    such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing.
     
    "Every bad thing" is fallacious hyperbole that seeks to invalidate the views of antisemites via a mischaracterization of their views that extends them to the most ridiculous length. With all due respect, no sale.

    That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews.
     
    That opinion most certainly is not impossible to hold for people who have been close to Jews. Myself being one.

    I'd be surprised if you've been closer to Jews than I have, considering that I've worked directly for and closely with Orthodox Jews over an extended period of time in a Jewish business in NYC, full time, and went to school with a plurality of Jewish students for an extended number of years. I have many Jewish friends across the spectrum of Jewish belief.

    What you are falling for is the common gentile impulse toward agreeableness and cooperation that, trust me, the desert dwellers do not share. This impulse is the precise reason that their name for you, Japheth, means gullible. In contrast, they see themselves as crafty and sophisticated.

    They use your racially embedded impulse toward social harmony against you, and hide their beliefs under a guise of superficial social extension toward you and other non-Jews that triggers that cooperative instinct. What their texts actually call for is the eventual genocide of all non-Jews.

    Per the Hebrew concordance (Hebrew word meanings translated to English) for Japheth:

    Word Origin

    denominative verb from pethi

    Definition

    to be simple

    NASB Translation

    allure (1), became...enticed (1), deceive (2), deceived (5), entice (9), enticed (1), entices (1), persuaded (1), prevailed (2), seduces (1), silly (1), simple (1).

    adjective simple, possibly as open-minded; — מֶּ֫תִי Proverbs 9:4 +, מֶּ֑תִי Psalm 19:8 +; plural מְּתָאיִם (Ges§ 93x) Psalm 116:6 6t. Proverbs; מְּתָיִיםPsalm 119:130; Proverbs 22:3; מְּתָיִם Proverbs 1:22,32; — simple, as substantive concrete: open to the instruction of wisdom or folly, Proverbs 9:4,16; believing every word Proverbs 14:15; lacking עָרְמָה (cunning, craftiness) Proverbs 1:14; Proverbs 8:5; Proverbs 19:25; needing בין Psalm 119:130, חכמה Psalm 19:8; Proverbs 21:11; in good sense, שׁמר ׳פתאים י Psalm 116:8 ׳י preserveth ths simple-minded; but usually tendency to bad sense; פתאים love פתי Proverbs 1:22; inherit אִוֶּלֶתProverbs 14:18, are easily enticed, misled and go back

    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

    foolish, simplicity, one

    Or pethiy {peh'-thee}; or pthaeiy {peth-aw-ee'}; from pathah; silly (i.e. Seducible) -- foolish, simple(-icity, one)
     
    You should not give Jews the benefit of the doubt because they are social with you. That is part of their game, and it is necessary for them to do that to assure their survival, for as long as possible, as an extremely hostile minority embedded in an ignorant (of their beliefs) but highly dangerous (to them) majority.

    You should become intimately familiar with their belief system, which will be a process. A belief system that they take more seriously and literally than your current views toward them will initially allow you to believe. However, over time, you will come to the fact that they do take a deadly serious and literal approach to it. The extent of the literalness being one of the hidden but essential keys to understanding their religion and how it works (they apply their myths to every one of their modern day conflicts, for one).

    But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.
     
    With all due respect, stop apologizing for antisemitism. There is nothing more rational, which is clear once you come to understand their system on a deep level.

    Also stop trying to seek a non-existent and never-to-exist mutual understanding with them where they will come to the proverbial table and give concessions in return for a natural decline in antisemitism.

    That's not their objective, nor how their religion is designed to work (one of its explicit strategies is to provoke gentiles to war with them). It has not happened to this point in our long history together because what they desire is the opposite of that hope.

    They want a world to themselves, and their scriptures specifically indicate a mass gentile genocide to bring that about that will come about during WWIII in a situation where everyone is attacking Israel. Driving toward that event is their medium term political goal. As they are required to act out all of their myths and prophecies as a part of their religion and a prerequisite to getting what they want (a world to themselves).
    , @ben tillman

    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews.
     
    No, it's not. It's much easier for people like you to hold not the strawman "opinion" that you cited but an understanding like that of MacDonald, who indeed is a person like you.
    , @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.
  2. Makes sense. And being programmed behavior, it will be done automatically, without thinking.

  3. Kudos to AnotherDad from … another dad? His argument runs a little bit paranoic at some stages, but there is much hard truth in it as well.

  4. And minoritarianism having ushered in the age of mass immigration blacks no longer just get compared to whites–with the “oppressed” cover–but get compared to other non-white minorities–Asians […]

    South Asians being the worst allies of minoritarianism, in my opinion. Nothing does a better job grinding off any of my residual liberalism than having a pushy and presumptuous South Asian telling Whitey how things are going to be. Desis really are unsurpassed in this.

    • Agree: Desiderius, larry lurker
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Agreed. The immigrant group I dislike the most are South Asians. Their arrogance, combined with incompetence and blindness, is simply too much.

    I actually used to like them. I only knew a few brown guys, who all seemed pretty white, and they were okay. But now we're getting a massive flood of them and they're showing their true colours.

    Just like blacks, it's a strange mix of an inferiority complex against whites, combined with arrogance and a sense of infalliability. That's why they love to lecture and lord over lower class whites, while sucking up pathetically to any upper class white.

    On the plus side, everybody hates them. They are wannabe Jews without the tact. Plus they are brown. They stand out. Nobody appreciates their arrogance.
  5. Anonymous[223] • Disclaimer says:

    The trouble with this analogy is that the US political setup – at least since the time that John F Kennedy destroyed begun the destruction of the Republic – is, effectively, a zero sum game rather than an out-of-kilter disequilibrium.

    Basically, there is or was an immense store of wealth and power embodied in that pseudo legal entity ‘white men’. It’s a rich seam to be mined, meat on the hoof, to be got at a very little effort to the claimant except shouting, screaming and stamping feet – that ‘tantrum’ strategy has worked like a charm since the time of MLK.

    The Democrat Party has really transformed itself into the political wing of the toy-throwers, and all sorts of others, including, notably, white women, can see that toy tossing is the way to go – it gets results. Thus on one side you have white men – a designation which includes an awful lot of f*cking Economist whipped idiots, lefties and foot stamper sympathisers – and on the other side you’ve got everyone else – the vultures, hyeanas etc just drooling to feast on the carcass.

    This is why the American PC system is so invidious – the out group *ALL*benefit and benefit hugely from kicking down the beef cattle. Rational self interest – the biggest motivation going – in their part. Rationality also necessarily dictates unity in their part, and grim determination of purpose.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    This is why the American PC system is so invidious – the out group *ALL*benefit and benefit hugely from kicking down the beef cattle. Rational self interest – the biggest motivation going – in their part. Rationality also necessarily dictates unity in their part, and grim determination of purpose.
     
    Yes, this is the explanation for the voting patterns of Asians in this country. They may be net taxpayers, but they are voting to replace their negative dividends with a much more valuable stock of capital stolen from the natives.
  6. Brilliant analysis, and apt metaphor by AnotherDad. Brilliant.

  7. Lot says:
    @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @FactTorpedo
    The real issue with Jews is that they completely lack the ability to police themselves. A Jewish man does something deplorable to gentiles -- like the open secret of Harvey Weinstein -- and there is no ostracization or shame. Until, of course, the law gets involved or he does it against a fellow Jew.
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    Who you got for the elections in Israel?

    If you don't mind my asking...
    , @AndrewR
    More of Lot's famous pilpul.

    I'm definitely not a fan of MacDonald as a person, due to some extreme viciousness towards me he condoned on his site during my more blue-pilled days, but you are simply not accurately summarizing his argument. I would correct you but, since I don't believe your summary to be in good-faith, I will give you the opportunity to backtrack.

    As for "neonazis" and "truthers", well, there is a universal tendency among humans to take kernels of truth and go too far with them. Just because there are some unreasonable people who comment on his site doesn't mean that they're always wrong about all the taboo or "fringe" claims they make. It certainly doesn't disprove MacDonald's theory.

    Your last paragraph could probably be interpreted multiple ways, but I think you're implying Jews are white and that only an ethno-masochistic Jew could hate white people. I don't think I need to explain to the commentariat here how absurd that implicit argument is.

    , @AnotherDad

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn't strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren't representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me--my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon--but that doesn't make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious "ethnomasochism" from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be "proudly Jewish" or "proud of my Jewish roots", while denouncing whites, "white racism!", "white privilege." (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump's tepid "muslim ban". (Or even an actual "muslim ban".) How's that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew--in the privacy of their home--sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, "hmm, maybe this isn't the diversity we need?"

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews--opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts--tilts very very strongly the other way: "Diversity is our strength", "white racism!", right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they've gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it's looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment--"ok, maybe we've got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren't going to be coming for us"--and ease up, we've seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. "We're going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that's what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!"
    , @ben tillman

    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.
     
    You're full of it.

    MacDonald's trilogy in three sentences:

    1. Jews are a cohesive group.

    2. At times, Europeans have engaged in their own group strategies in reaction to competition with the Jewish group.

    3. The Jewish group has spawned a number of political and intellectual movements designed to prevent white gentiles (all or any portion of them) from constituting a cohesive group to compete with the Jewish group.

    Intellectually and logically, it's trivially easy to engage with that proposition. The reason you are unable "to engage with that" is emotional or instinctual. You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. Accordingly, you turn to other tactics, like lying and concealing.
    , @Anon

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies.
     
    The ad hominem refuge is the saddest refuge because it implies rhetorical impudence.

    There’s really no way to engaage with that.
     
    Sure there is. Engage with it, if you have a superior argument. Jewish avoidance of a meaningful debate with knowledgeable antisemities is avoidance of a debate that Jews know they cannot win on facts.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Jews aren't ethnomasochists on the whole.

    That's a weak and demonstrably invalid ploy to excuse away Jewish political hypocrisy when they advocate for ethnic destruction of certain peoples, advocacy that unavoidably causes blowback that affects their own tribe, while rabidly reinforcing their own ethnic supremacy.

    Its a simple supremacist approach, using two tiers of ethics, that is often implemented by the same group (see almost any politically significant European or American Jewish group) or individual (see any Neocon or even mainstream Jewish Leftist).

    To be a Jew is to be a Jew. To be a Jew is to be an ethnic supremacist. To not be a Jewish ethnic supremacist is to not be a Jew. Ruthless ethnic nationalist supremacy and imperialism is the core thesis of the Jewish religion.

  8. @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied […]

    … human nature and recorded history. Did the Jews make the Aztecs behave so horribly? Did the Jews make Plato and Confucius such elitists? The answer seems obvious to the reasonable man but not to many superstars of the alt-right*.

    I’m agreeing with you and just expanding on your point. The middlebrows in the dissident Right need to be challenged on this. Otherwise they’ll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects. Of course they won’t listen; that’s the defining characteristic of being militantly stupid.

    * (Sven/Jesse of TDS is especially bad for this. In the April 3rd episode of their show, he essentially said he has to blame the Jews for everyone’s human failings, otherwise his whole worldview would collapse).

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Lot
    “Otherwise they’ll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects.”

    Already happening of course.
    , @Pericles

    The middlebrows in the dissident Right need to be challenged on this. Otherwise they’ll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects. Of course they won’t listen; that’s the defining characteristic of being militantly stupid.

     

    What's your project?
  9. To what extent are whites rebelling from all this nonsense? Uni educated whites seem fully on board with it and most of the rest of white males really don’t seem to care as long as they can own guns.

    None of this minoritarianism is likely to cause major conflict until the jews and their fringes go for the guns. Then things could get very vibrant

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Will they, though?

    How many white gun owners are just LARPing when they proudly proclaim, "from my cold dead hands"? Could owning guns just be a cope for white men? Gives them *something* they can say they're doing for their race?

    In the Turner Diaries, the right wing gun owners put up the least resistance.
  10. @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    Boycott, Divest, Sanction. It may not have much of an overall positive effect, bit it sure makes a guy feel good.

    • Replies: @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    I think, Mister Jon, that you're confusing the Joooos with the Israelis. A common error; irrespective of whether one thinks the Israelis are OK and the Diaspora Joooos are not, or vice versa.

    Also, as was posted several times over on Chateau Heartiste —a notoriously Joooo-unfriendly site— married men who self-identified as "Jewish" voted for Orange Man Bad almost 2:1. And I doubt whether very many of them/us who did so in 2016 would be disinclined to do so again in 2020.

    With Jewish women, married or single, it's another story altogether... which is indicative, maybe, of why so many Jewish men who would prefer to keep the whole 3,000 year thing going for a while longer, marry the shicksas with some degree of regret: even where it worked out well over time.

  11. It’s not “Jews”. It’s academic leftism. That just happens to be a place where Jews play a large role and because of recent history they might feel more inclined to jump the leftist minoritarianist bandwagon.

  12. @Lot
    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    The real issue with Jews is that they completely lack the ability to police themselves. A Jewish man does something deplorable to gentiles — like the open secret of Harvey Weinstein — and there is no ostracization or shame. Until, of course, the law gets involved or he does it against a fellow Jew.

  13. The racism and anti semitism here is appalling

    If you guys wonder why Men of Color are desired by white girls then that is why

    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    ... but they do like cruelty. They like being cruel to people they feel safe attacking and they especially like to cruelly enforce social norms, no matter what they are.

    My guess is that you yourself are a woman. My guess too is that you say the "racism and anti semitism here is appalling" because such things carry the smell of low status. If we were living in Nazi Germany, you'd be repulsed at any hint of Judeo-Bolshevism or the sound of Negro jazz music. That's my theory about you, Anon 415.
    , @Job’s brother
    Don’t be a wimp.
    , @The Other Romanian
    Okay Tiny Dick Duck... we know you've got sock puppets, stop posting already.

    So (((paranoid)))...
    , @MBlanc46
    Tiny? You’ve gone anon? Que pasa?
  14. The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.

    • Agree: Hunsdon
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, and the electric-trim cut-off switches are the American AR-15 owners. It's best for all "onboard" if our memory items get done before the stab trim has gone too far ND.
    , @AnotherDad

    The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.
     
    No doubt i'm flying a kludgy analogy. I went back and forth on whether the plane is "society" or "the minoritarian project". You effort is worthy. But AFAICT there isn't a perfect line up that gets all the components lining up very nicely one-to-one.

    The key that i think does line up perfectly is MACS--Minority Assessment Control System.

    Tacking on this increased diversity through immigration, plus the 50 years of Civil Rights and compensating programs, have actually made society much more unstable--including making it much more obvious to white people, and generally all sane people, that whole minoritarian "it's evil whitey's fault" line is nonsense. And the increasingly crazed and forceful response--"white privilege", "structural racism", etc. etc.--is the establishment's kludgy and dangerous MACS like response. Minority Assessment Control is what it's all about.
    , @The Alarmist

    "The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently."
     
    I dunno ... I think the Spruce Goose would be a better analogue. It had a brief shining moment as the biggest, heaviest, powerful thing that flew, and then spent a long period dissipating in the shadow of its and its creator's legacy.
    , @Lot
    “law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.”

    Don’t forget the big one: disability benefits.


    http://web.archive.org/web/20130408032918/http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/04/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_5.html
  15. The primary reason you lot are doomed is incorrect diagnosis. In that sense, you are no different from savages confronted with gun-toting invaders who believe that one more sacrificed virgin will be their salvation.

    Blacks do ‘rude, crazy, stupid, violent stuff all the time’, fine, I will not contest that, but they do it to other Blacks. Your Liberal Whites do it to everybody. Worse, they cannot be avoided, they come to you. That’s your Libs, the rest of you only do polite, sensible, peaceable stuff like Nazism, School-Shootings, Invade/Invite the World, gender-bending etc.

    But yeah, yeah, sure, when it’s just ‘fellow whites’, things will automatically go back to the good old days of robber barons and civil wars O:

  16. @Lot
    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    Who you got for the elections in Israel?

    If you don’t mind my asking…

  17. Anytime dysfunctional black behavior might have whites questioning minoritarianism or, God forbid, thinking white people are pretty good eggs, and minoritarianism might stall, MACS kicks in–“legacy of slavery”, “white privilege”, “redlining”, “invisible knapsack”, “microaggressions”, “stereotype threat”, “structural racism”–to push the nose down and keep minoritarianism speeding along.

    Oh and censorship, they need censorship and control of the megaphone.

    Good article.

  18. this is a much racier (and enjoyable) version of the thesis in Eric Kaufmann’s 537 page tome: ‘White Shift; populism, immigration and the future of white majorities.’ Below the guts of an 1800 word review of mine which Amazon Gauleiters bumped, so never saw light of day:

    White Shift:
    Hobson arguably had better choices. For “English Canada”.. it’s either “Guyana or Belize”. For the UK: Nicaragua by 2200, and Bolivia by 2300 (at 350,000 pa immigration) or Mexico/Costa Rica by 2200 and Brazil by 2300 (at 50,000 pa immigration). Plus all the attendant, vibrant cultural benefits (unstable government, juntas, drug cartels) one hopes. More generally, there’s a “positive-sum outlook” for whites if they “adopt a Hawaiian/Creole strategy, opening up to those of mixed background who identify with their European roots.” But if white men can’t jump, can they hula hula or play jazz?

    Kaufmann manages (admirably) to put the above jaw-droppers in a rigorous structure, framing Hobson’s, sorry white choices into 4:

    Fight? This, to summarise brutally, is tribal, the historic way, so bad. Note that whites, even dying out, can “obstruct change, damage social cohesion, and, perhaps, pose a security threat” ‘Future threat’ is the successor to ‘historic guilt’, then? There’s an illogic to Kaufmann’s analysis here however: he intimates that it’s alright for black Harlem to resist, or slow ‘gentrification’ (by whites) but not for whites to resist ‘de-gentrification’ by mass immigration (by non-whites).

    Repress? Apply the PC gag, let diversity porn wash over you. But, Kaufmann argues, you can’t tattoo taboos on the subconscious. So “permitting freer expression of the majority group’s sense of cultural loss…is, in the long run, probably less dangerous than repressing them.” Tell that to Repression Inc, today’s ‘coalition of the fringes’, for whom the “frenzy” against “heretics” (ie straight white males above all) provides “an internal scapegoat to unify a group against.”

    Flee? In which whites circle the wagons, vote with their feet since other forms are not on offer or allowed. Start dusting off ‘Atlas Shrugged.’ Kaufmann usefully hints that the best ‘hidden valleys’ for whites are in Mormon Utah. Having sects is one means of white ethnic survival. Indeed, there might be 307 million prolific Amish in the USA by 2265, Kaufmann teases. A more serious white preservative might be the example of Haredi Jews. They’ve countered being surrounded by ‘hostiles’ with an extraordinary birth rate. Surely the right-on Swedes can’t teach future whites much here? Well, in the ‘enlightened Land’ “Sweden’s residential segregation …is a result of decisions taken by the Swedish majority, who tend to cluster in Swedish-dense neighbourhoods and avoid immigrant-dense housing estates.” Obviously, “It’s not that white liberals are hypocrites who flee diversity”…oh no, not at all.

    Join? Have more sex, inter-ethnically – ’screw for peace’, ‘beige is the colour’. This is Kaufmann’s preferred, consensual choice. Interestingly, the prospect of this “melting”, assimilation – especially whites incorporating Hispanics – caused one “centre-left” writer to “revise his thesis that America’s changing demographics will automatically produce Democrat victories in the future.” Meanwhile, in The Enlightened Land, because Muslim immigrants in Sweden are ethnically different, the “pool of eligible Muslim partners” is reduced so they’ll “marry non-Muslims at higher rates” (than say mono-ethnic Muslims of Belgium, Netherlands). But surely they’ll have to pin down the Swedes already fleeing this diverse offer’?

    Much, if not all, depends on today’s minorities identifying ‘white-ly’ tomorrow. And this in turn assumes a white welcoming mat/bed is proffered; if “Asian groups typically maintain stronger proscriptions against intermarriage” why won’t whites, learning by example from a well-documented higher IQ group, in the future? Transitioning to this mixed-race idyll also needs ”cultural work to adapt white majority myths of origin and symbol systems to the new mixed population.” But this is already well underway – see the broad-brush ‘beiging’ in progress of TV adverts and programmes, of even ancient history, of your Google home-page celebrating minority figures of less-than-Newtonian achievement.

    Kaufmann’s latte future also hangs on “symmetrical multicultiralism”, the (brave/quaint/heretic – delete according to bias) notion that whites have an ethnic identity deserving of respect too. But doesn’t this depend on a sense of ‘fair play’, heretofore a concept, arguably, that’s a monopoly of white nations? As for “multi-vocal understanding” – Babel, anyone? And in the background to let’s “celebrate the different ways we identify in common” you can almost hear the Kumbaya chorus.

    Might inter-racial angst all ‘melt’ away more quietly than Kaufmann implies? Charles Murray, in his ‘Coming Apart – the state of white America 1960-2010’ (a much better book all round than this, though Murray consistently sets the highest of benchmarks) argues that unless successful whites ‘preach what they practise’ – the Founding, so coincidentally white values of family, honesty, and industry – underclasses (here only white ones examined) will wallow in their broken-family idleness and suck nations down. So, the ‘culture’ which immigrants are being asked to ‘join’ might not set such a high bar on ‘membership’. Should we laugh or cry?

  19. @Lot
    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    More of Lot’s famous pilpul.

    I’m definitely not a fan of MacDonald as a person, due to some extreme viciousness towards me he condoned on his site during my more blue-pilled days, but you are simply not accurately summarizing his argument. I would correct you but, since I don’t believe your summary to be in good-faith, I will give you the opportunity to backtrack.

    As for “neonazis” and “truthers”, well, there is a universal tendency among humans to take kernels of truth and go too far with them. Just because there are some unreasonable people who comment on his site doesn’t mean that they’re always wrong about all the taboo or “fringe” claims they make. It certainly doesn’t disprove MacDonald’s theory.

    Your last paragraph could probably be interpreted multiple ways, but I think you’re implying Jews are white and that only an ethno-masochistic Jew could hate white people. I don’t think I need to explain to the commentariat here how absurd that implicit argument is.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lot
    “As for “neonazis” and “truthers”, well, there is a universal tendency among humans to take kernels of truth and go too far with them. Just because there are some unreasonable people who comment on his site doesn’t mean that they’re always wrong about all the taboo or “fringe” claims they make. It certainly doesn’t disprove MacDonald’s theory.”

    I wasn’t talking about the comments, but the writers themselves.
  20. @Dave Pinsen
    The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.

    Yeah, and the electric-trim cut-off switches are the American AR-15 owners. It’s best for all “onboard” if our memory items get done before the stab trim has gone too far ND.

  21. “Evey single time” is true enough, but the problem with this sort of speculation is the implicit assumption that Jews in general are consciously and deliberately taking marching orders from Jewish elites.

    The white genocide aspect of the program applies as much to ordinary Jews as it does to White Gentiles. They are apt to go along with it, but so are way too many White Gentiles.

    What the Jewish elites don’t appreciate is it will ultimately mean them too, and never mind whether {{{ fellow whites }}} are “really” White.

    To the African American undertow, Jews are extra White. To say nothing of the Muhammadan attitude.

    • Replies: @Alden
    The Jewish elites sent their black storm troopers to destroy wonderful big city Jewish neighborhoods as well as goyim neighborhoods. That’s very true.

    But it’s obvious that Jewish elites have seen to it that their fellow Jews weren’t destroyed by affirmative action the way the White goyim have.

    The pro affirmative action law suits and enforcement were heavily, heavily Jewish. And they succeeded in railroading the White goyim out of government work education medicine and numerous other high skill jobs through vicious enforcement of affirmative action and importation of non Whites for skilled jobs.

    So here’s my theory. Polish territories in 1850, Jew heaven for hundreds of years. The Jews ran the country exploiting the goyishe kopfs. They had no competition from the downtrodden serfs they rule

    1880. 1925 The Polish Jews left Poland and swarmed to the United States. To their great surprise and horror they discovered a country run by the goyishe kopf subhuman unclean dumb dumbs

    These strange goyim were just as intelligent and knew even more lucrative well paid skills that the oh so superior polish Jews.

    What to do what to do!!!!!! We oh so superior Jews have landed in a country where we might have to compete!!!!

    The polish immigrant Jews founded the communist party in 1919 but it wasn’t very successful. 30 years later the dumb goyim were still strong competitors and had not yet been destroyed.

    What to do?? What to do?!!

    So the Jews of NAACP ADL AJC ACLU came up with a great idea

    Remember back when we ran Poland and we convinced the Kibg and nobility to make it illegal for the goyishe kopf ordinary Pole to work at most occupations?

    Let’s do that in America!!!! We’ll call it affirmative action. We don’t want black Drs engineered and business executives though. What to do?????
    Well just import Asians and Indians for those jobs. While we’re at it, we’’ll Invent a whole nother race to take over White occupations, Hispanics

    That’s how the Polish Jews did it folks in less than 100 years.

  22. A few days ago, I wrote an ‘off-topic’ comment that belongs in this thread. CBS This Morning aired a segment on the solution of a 20-year-old Alabama cold case through the use of Golden-State-Killer DNA techniques. Although unstated, photos of the two murdered 17-year-old girls and of the suspect made their respective races obvious to viewers.

    So far, so accurate. Except the reporter neglected to mention that the DNA that cracked the case was from semen.

    Black-on-white murder in the rural South is bad enough. MACS in action: the rape part of inter-racial rape-murder has to be consigned to the memory hole.

  23. AnotherDad blog. It’s time.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  24. SFG says:
    @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    All IMHO of course, but:

    Who would dare?

    You’d be unpersoned just like any other un-PC right wing journalist, and you wouldn’t have the support networks other dissident-right figures would have.

    There was a fellow, Joshua Seidel, who actually wrote a defense of the alt-right in the Forward, saying basically what AnotherDad said: you’re going to throw whites out of power, and the POC will turn on you. Unfortunately he tried to claim he was actually on it, and got several hundred comments saying things like ‘go kill yourself’ or ‘we would kill you’ or (more charitably) go to Israel. A few were sympathetic, but nobody’s heard much from him since.

    There are dudes like Frame Game Radio, but they remain anonymous.

    For what it’s worth David Frum, despite his other sins in the Iraq War, has been writing cases for immigration restriction from the Atlantic (of all places), Yoram Hazony defended the right to Anglo-American nationalism, Eric Kaufman has a new book (which Steve really ought to review) arguing that some degree of white ID politics are expected and legitimate. Breitbart and the Drudge Report did a lot to help elect DJT, and have not been huge advocates of unrestricted immigration, to say the least. (They’re pro-Israel, but then I wouldn’t expect Bill O’Reilly to complain about the IRA.)

    (None of this is to deny neocon immigration love, of course, but their major contribution seems instead to have been in foreign policy, specifically the greatest foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.)

    They haven’t really *called out their relatives as such*, true. But if they did, they’d just wind up jobless, and the actual Nazis would keep sending them death threats, because while POC hustlers are willing to keep a few pet white ‘allies’ around for useful idiots, to the Andrew Anglin types every person of Jewish ancestry belongs in an oven or in a bog.

    So the Stephen Miller types vote Republican, argue for the traditional West where they can, and keep their mouths shut about their relatives.

    • Agree: Jack D, PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @donut
    " Breitbart and the Drudge Report did a lot to help elect DJT" , maybe so . I haven't read either one of them more than a dozen times combined . I think it was more the unsupervised uncensored nature of the internet as a whole that got him elected . The Dems didn't have a clue about what was going on around here . Hence the hysterical censorship and criminalizing of wrongthink in the west . Everyone from Andrew Anglin to Ben Shapiro had an audience and an impact . That was a one off situation . By staying with twitter and Facebook you've given hostages to fortune . Get off of those platforms I don't have a twitter account or a Facebook account , I'm not missing any thing . The fewer dissenting voices on those platforms the better for those of us who hold conservative views , they will become another bubble of babble like the MSM . Gather here gather there , if we are predictable we are vulnerable .
    , @AndrewR
    To my knowledge, Irish Republicans, even the most militant and criminal ones, only seem to care about getting England out of Ireland. They don't seem to care about getting demanding third world immigrants out of Ireland, or about resisting the dictates of Brussels bureaucrats. I'd like to be proven wrong.
    , @larry lurker

    Frame Game Radio
     
    Frame Game has been MIA for several months now. Which I don't blame him for, because if he was who he said he was, he was basically walking around with a sign on his back saying "please dox me."

    There are a lot of Jewish guys of his age and in his profession living in that borough, but not that many. It only takes one acquaintance recognizing your voice and you're potentially screwed. You can't be an alt-right adjacent race realist in his line of work.

  25. @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    The hole in the hard JQ take is not good Jews, it’s bad whites. The invisible knapsack for instance is from the inventor of the concept of white privilege who used it to camouflage her own class and wealth privilege.

    https://quillette.com/2018/08/29/unpacking-peggy-mcintoshs-knapsack/

    • Replies: @ic1000
    That Quillette article on the origins of the Invisible Knapsack of White Privilege is informative. As far as white people, it's not Jews driving this train, just as it's not gentiles. It's the alliance of the woke -- Jews and gentiles (such as Peggy McIntosh), marching through the institutions together.
  26. @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    David Cole over at Takimag has some interesting columns about his fellow Jews.

  27. The fact is that there are plenty of Jews, especially Israeli Jews, on our side against Globohomocorp. If the Dork Right wants to shoot their pop guns in their backs whatever.

    • Replies: @HallParvey
    Isreali Jews are leading the way. Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. Whoever woulda thunk it that G. Wallace was a Jew. sarc/
    , @International Jew
    Nicely said.

    "Dork right", chuckle chuckle.
    Another Dad used to make more sense. He's lately become paranoid and ungrammatical. Maybe he's suffered a stroke.
    , @Mr. Anon
    If by "plenty of" you mean "a dozen or so" I reckon you're right.

    How many Israelis vote in American elections then?
  28. @Desiderius
    The hole in the hard JQ take is not good Jews, it’s bad whites. The invisible knapsack for instance is from the inventor of the concept of white privilege who used it to camouflage her own class and wealth privilege.

    https://quillette.com/2018/08/29/unpacking-peggy-mcintoshs-knapsack/

    That Quillette article on the origins of the Invisible Knapsack of White Privilege is informative. As far as white people, it’s not Jews driving this train, just as it’s not gentiles. It’s the alliance of the woke — Jews and gentiles (such as Peggy McIntosh), marching through the institutions together.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Used my Agree button up already, but I agree. The anti-Semites of unz (and elsewhere) always see the Joos in the minoritarian project, and they are in fact there (or at least people of (sometimes partial) Jewish descent - like Bolsheviks, by definition these folks are not practicing Jews anymore but are practicing some kind of new secular religion), but they are not the only ones there, by far.

    The other big anti-Semite accusation is that Jews will never call out other Jews or Israel. First of all this is just not true - Jews have been disagreeing with each other since Cain and Abel. Netanyahu and the Israeli right (who after all run Israel) are persona non-grata among the Jewish left. Second, other groups (e.g. Irish, blacks, Muslims, etc.) also tend to go easy on their co-ethnics although perhaps not deracinated generic whites. 3rd this kind of shit-testing is a bad idea for a political movement. The motto of the Dems is "no enemies on the Left". If someone agrees with you on some issues, you should want them inside your tent hurling rocks at your mutual enemies and not outside hurling rocks at you, but the natural tendency of rightist seems to be purity testing - no one is pure enough to join their movement - not only Jews but even Trump gets denounced because he is not down with the cause sufficiently. And, as someone pointed out, to the extent you want right thinking Jews to exert their influence on other Jews, insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed - how does that help? This is the kind of thinking that reduced the American right to 5 guys at at KKK meeting, 3 of whom are Federal agents or informers trying to entrap each other. But the remaining 2 guys are really pure Aryans.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Jews are gonna Jew no matter what we do. If we can't police and/or inspire our own people, what good are we? If we can't apply carrot & stick social pressure on someone with a name like "Peggy McIntosh", then we've already lost.
  29. Paul Craig Roberts, recently bringing up the idea of Jewish Privilege:

    “Jewish lobbies have largely succeeded in establishing Jewish Supremacy. In many Western countries it is, or borders on, a hate crime to criticize Jews and Israel. Scholars have even been imprisoned for correcting errors in the Holocaust story. In the US Jewish lobbies have succeeded in having half of the states pass laws denying state government contracts to any business or person who participates or supports in any way boycotts of Israeli goods and services or advocates for disinvestment in Israeli companies. President Trump even cut off US aid to the Palestinians whose country has been stolen by Israel. It is considered anti-semitism to even mention what Israel has done, and is currently doing, to Palestinians. Professors lose their university positions. Journalists get fired. Students are sent to sensitivity training.

    This is real supremacy. White gentiles have nothing like it. Yet Jewish lobbies—the very people who constantly complain about hate speech—use hate speech to the full extent as they lead the movement to demonize white gentiles.”

    Jews start their arguments with “How Dare You!”
    While White Privilege skeptics are late to the rhetorical game and begin their defense with facts rather than accusations.
    So Jews win, with their expertise in Rhetoric, one of the three ancient arts of discourse.
    Whites lack this ancient art having been raised on TV.

  30. @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    When your tribe has been kicked out of just about every respectable country on earth, maybe the problem isn’t with the countries, and you should start taking some really critical looks at your behavior.

  31. @Dave Pinsen
    The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.

    The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.

    No doubt i’m flying a kludgy analogy. I went back and forth on whether the plane is “society” or “the minoritarian project”. You effort is worthy. But AFAICT there isn’t a perfect line up that gets all the components lining up very nicely one-to-one.

    The key that i think does line up perfectly is MACS–Minority Assessment Control System.

    Tacking on this increased diversity through immigration, plus the 50 years of Civil Rights and compensating programs, have actually made society much more unstable–including making it much more obvious to white people, and generally all sane people, that whole minoritarian “it’s evil whitey’s fault” line is nonsense. And the increasingly crazed and forceful response–“white privilege”, “structural racism”, etc. etc.–is the establishment’s kludgy and dangerous MACS like response. Minority Assessment Control is what it’s all about.

    • Replies: @M. Hartley
    May I please add my compliments to the others here. You are one of a select group of contributors to the comments threads here who could easily justify his own blog at unz.com.
  32. @Desiderius
    The fact is that there are plenty of Jews, especially Israeli Jews, on our side against Globohomocorp. If the Dork Right wants to shoot their pop guns in their backs whatever.

    Isreali Jews are leading the way. Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. Whoever woulda thunk it that G. Wallace was a Jew. sarc/

  33. @AnotherDad

    The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.
     
    No doubt i'm flying a kludgy analogy. I went back and forth on whether the plane is "society" or "the minoritarian project". You effort is worthy. But AFAICT there isn't a perfect line up that gets all the components lining up very nicely one-to-one.

    The key that i think does line up perfectly is MACS--Minority Assessment Control System.

    Tacking on this increased diversity through immigration, plus the 50 years of Civil Rights and compensating programs, have actually made society much more unstable--including making it much more obvious to white people, and generally all sane people, that whole minoritarian "it's evil whitey's fault" line is nonsense. And the increasingly crazed and forceful response--"white privilege", "structural racism", etc. etc.--is the establishment's kludgy and dangerous MACS like response. Minority Assessment Control is what it's all about.

    May I please add my compliments to the others here. You are one of a select group of contributors to the comments threads here who could easily justify his own blog at unz.com.

    • Agree: Federalist
  34. Why can’t we hire any pilots who can ignore the damned thing and turn it off?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Steve Richter

    Why can’t we hire any pilots who can ignore the damned thing and turn it off?
     
    been asking why no American or European piloted 737's have crashed. Possibly because the mechanics make sure the sensors are working properly.
    , @Desiderius
    Because it’s not our signature on the paycheck.
  35. @ic1000
    That Quillette article on the origins of the Invisible Knapsack of White Privilege is informative. As far as white people, it's not Jews driving this train, just as it's not gentiles. It's the alliance of the woke -- Jews and gentiles (such as Peggy McIntosh), marching through the institutions together.

    Used my Agree button up already, but I agree. The anti-Semites of unz (and elsewhere) always see the Joos in the minoritarian project, and they are in fact there (or at least people of (sometimes partial) Jewish descent – like Bolsheviks, by definition these folks are not practicing Jews anymore but are practicing some kind of new secular religion), but they are not the only ones there, by far.

    The other big anti-Semite accusation is that Jews will never call out other Jews or Israel. First of all this is just not true – Jews have been disagreeing with each other since Cain and Abel. Netanyahu and the Israeli right (who after all run Israel) are persona non-grata among the Jewish left. Second, other groups (e.g. Irish, blacks, Muslims, etc.) also tend to go easy on their co-ethnics although perhaps not deracinated generic whites. 3rd this kind of shit-testing is a bad idea for a political movement. The motto of the Dems is “no enemies on the Left”. If someone agrees with you on some issues, you should want them inside your tent hurling rocks at your mutual enemies and not outside hurling rocks at you, but the natural tendency of rightist seems to be purity testing – no one is pure enough to join their movement – not only Jews but even Trump gets denounced because he is not down with the cause sufficiently. And, as someone pointed out, to the extent you want right thinking Jews to exert their influence on other Jews, insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed – how does that help? This is the kind of thinking that reduced the American right to 5 guys at at KKK meeting, 3 of whom are Federal agents or informers trying to entrap each other. But the remaining 2 guys are really pure Aryans.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    That's nice, Jack.

    ... insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed – how does that help?
     
    What could have been better for Jewish interests than a country that welcomed you and yours here and facilitated your rise to dominance? You yourself are a product of this, and very quickly too.

    "The Right™" is also full of its very own diversity, so much so that it includes members of your own tribe who have been doing their best to co-opt its interests.

    When have we seen you here place American interests above what you just called "Jewish interests"? No, what you always do is instinctively defend Jewish interests any time anyone here ever deems to criticize them. I am one of those partial (1/4) "Joos," but, frankly, I don't consider anyone Ashkenazi or partly to be really "Jewish."

    Israel is a con and a joke played by Europeans like you.

    Just now Bibi has said he wants to annex the West Bank if he is reelected. Great. Do you remember how the Jewish world reacted when Hitler spoke of annexing? Yeah, I think you know.

    How the hell do you expect us to react?

    , @anon
    We should be able to talk about and criticize Jewish political interests and Jewish political culture in America without being accused of anti-Semitism. It is no different than people talking about "the South" being more conservative or religious or martial than other parts of the country. It is no different than people in the pre-civil war era talking about "the slave power".
    "The South" and "the slave power" aren't intended to be all-encompassing character definitions of every person living there. There was plenty of disagreement in the ranks in the South. And the boundaries of the South might or might not include border state areas. And the South still had many things in common with the North. And North/South was an over-simplistic cultural/political division. Etc., etc.
    BUT, when you get down to it, there was enough common political and economic interest and culture in the south, and it was different enough from the north, to get us into a civil war.
    Jews do have identifiable political organizations, such as ADL and AIPAC. There is a strong core of Jewish political leaders who identify with Israel far more than the Boston Irish identified with the IRA.
    I feel perfectly free to identify and criticize the "Jewish power" no differently than I would identify and criticize "the slave power".
  36. @Dave Pinsen
    The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.

    “The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently.”

    I dunno … I think the Spruce Goose would be a better analogue. It had a brief shining moment as the biggest, heaviest, powerful thing that flew, and then spent a long period dissipating in the shadow of its and its creator’s legacy.

  37. very clever. fun read. I think there is another big trend at play. The fact that fewer people identify with and care about the nation. Do the Hispanics or Asians seen on cable news care at all about American heroics in WWII or the settling of the West? Blacks are being pushed out of NYC by the hoards of immigrants. Who will identify with or care about Black slum towns?

    At some point soon China will see that its homogeneous population is the only one that can be rallied to support national conquest and domination. If China sinks a US carrier would the new American coalition rally to defend its honor?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Since when did the military care about what the public thinks? Are you too young to remember 2003?
  38. @Buzz Mohawk
    Why can't we hire any pilots who can ignore the damned thing and turn it off?

    Why can’t we hire any pilots who can ignore the damned thing and turn it off?

    been asking why no American or European piloted 737’s have crashed. Possibly because the mechanics make sure the sensors are working properly.

  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    Why can't we hire any pilots who can ignore the damned thing and turn it off?

    Because it’s not our signature on the paycheck.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Because it’s not our signature on the paycheck.
     
    LOL

    I'd say it's the obverse problem: We're signing the checks, but we have no say.
  40. @Lot
    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn’t strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren’t representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me–my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon–but that doesn’t make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious “ethnomasochism” from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be “proudly Jewish” or “proud of my Jewish roots”, while denouncing whites, “white racism!”, “white privilege.” (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump’s tepid “muslim ban”. (Or even an actual “muslim ban”.) How’s that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew–in the privacy of their home–sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, “hmm, maybe this isn’t the diversity we need?”

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews–opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts–tilts very very strongly the other way: “Diversity is our strength”, “white racism!”, right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they’ve gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it’s looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment–“ok, maybe we’ve got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren’t going to be coming for us”–and ease up, we’ve seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. “We’re going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that’s what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!”

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    they’ve gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation
     
    So have non-Jew progs (the vast majority).

    A cut flower wilts after a few days, even in water.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments,............
     
    Maybe you should rethink that. No matter how rational you are, how even handed, and how much you qualify what you say, if you question the public actions of his group in any way, you will just be labeled an anti-semite. If you notice the disproportionate representation (and often vastly disproportionate represenation) of members of that tribe in certain areas of society, and ask whether that might have some consequences for our own tribe, then you will be attacked. You may think you are a reasonable guy, but to them you are indistinguishable from Julius Streicher.

    Maybe we gentiles should just stop giving a damn what people-who-are-not-us think.

    , @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.
    , @An
    I married into a Jewish family so I know something about this. There is a very strong unwillingness to look at various hypocrisies in their own behavior, and an undercurrent of anti Gentile feelings. I've had to point out that I am Christian a couple times to get people to stop saying various nasty things. I think there is an identification between social justice sympathies and anti-christian feelings, like the Jews in my family feel that those are pretty much the same thing, achieving their various social justice aims is the same thing as undermining the Christianity that they see as oppressing them. I don't see the social parasitism arguments of Kevin McDonald, it seems to be more of a blind ethnic self-righteousness that doesn't see how much their high achievement have been due to living in a white gentile Society.
    , @Lot
    “I see very little serious “ethnomasochism” from most Jews.”

    Really only Sweden and Germany are full on majority EM. Every other group that suffers, it’s a minority. A minority that can gain control in alliance with/funded by with big capital, but still subject to getting thrown out. I am thinking of Italy and Israel as good examples. The EMs still are there and still want a flood of Africans and Muslims, but they lost elections.

    “Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it’s looney, emotional stuff all the time.”

    Yeah the left is becoming more extreme, even as it becomes less Jewish. The secular full Ashkenazi population was about 4% of the US white pop in the 1920-1955 cohort. Now it is well under 1%.

    “Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment–“ok, maybe we’ve got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren’t going to be coming for us””

    You have this idea that Jewish race leftism came from the idea Jews are better off without a European majority in the USA. That idea is absurd for so many reasons. Some people find some idiots who “admit” this and ascribe it to all leftist Jews. But really, go talk to actual leftist, Jewish or otherwise. There's no indication this is true.
    , @Lot
    “You have a much bigger personal sample size than me–my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon”

    I do not. All converted/admixed/assimilated by my generation. My first interaction with non—assimilated Jews was in college.

    “I see very little serious “ethnomasochism” from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be “proudly Jewish”

    Sure, but same thing for non-Jewish whites, who don’t direct their ire toward the Irish or Italians, but toward whites generally. Ted Kennedy was anti-white and proudly Irish. I suppose there is some specific anti-British/German left wing hate out there, but that seems pretty rare compared to non-specific anti-white politics.
  41. @Jack D
    Used my Agree button up already, but I agree. The anti-Semites of unz (and elsewhere) always see the Joos in the minoritarian project, and they are in fact there (or at least people of (sometimes partial) Jewish descent - like Bolsheviks, by definition these folks are not practicing Jews anymore but are practicing some kind of new secular religion), but they are not the only ones there, by far.

    The other big anti-Semite accusation is that Jews will never call out other Jews or Israel. First of all this is just not true - Jews have been disagreeing with each other since Cain and Abel. Netanyahu and the Israeli right (who after all run Israel) are persona non-grata among the Jewish left. Second, other groups (e.g. Irish, blacks, Muslims, etc.) also tend to go easy on their co-ethnics although perhaps not deracinated generic whites. 3rd this kind of shit-testing is a bad idea for a political movement. The motto of the Dems is "no enemies on the Left". If someone agrees with you on some issues, you should want them inside your tent hurling rocks at your mutual enemies and not outside hurling rocks at you, but the natural tendency of rightist seems to be purity testing - no one is pure enough to join their movement - not only Jews but even Trump gets denounced because he is not down with the cause sufficiently. And, as someone pointed out, to the extent you want right thinking Jews to exert their influence on other Jews, insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed - how does that help? This is the kind of thinking that reduced the American right to 5 guys at at KKK meeting, 3 of whom are Federal agents or informers trying to entrap each other. But the remaining 2 guys are really pure Aryans.

    That’s nice, Jack.

    … insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed – how does that help?

    What could have been better for Jewish interests than a country that welcomed you and yours here and facilitated your rise to dominance? You yourself are a product of this, and very quickly too.

    “The Right™” is also full of its very own diversity, so much so that it includes members of your own tribe who have been doing their best to co-opt its interests.

    When have we seen you here place American interests above what you just called “Jewish interests”? No, what you always do is instinctively defend Jewish interests any time anyone here ever deems to criticize them. I am one of those partial (1/4) “Joos,” but, frankly, I don’t consider anyone Ashkenazi or partly to be really “Jewish.”

    Israel is a con and a joke played by Europeans like you.

    Just now Bibi has said he wants to annex the West Bank if he is reelected. Great. Do you remember how the Jewish world reacted when Hitler spoke of annexing? Yeah, I think you know.

    How the hell do you expect us to react?

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Jack D

    How the hell do you expect us to react?
     
    Isn't that a neo-con thing to worry about what other countries do? I would say that the expected reaction is that it's of no concern to you either way.
    , @Whiskey
    Like someone not an idiot. Germany 1938 could field an army group of a million men to conquer Europe. Israel has five million Jews. If which maybe 200k are fit for military service.

    Israel is roughly aligned with US policy objectives since FDR. Keep oil flowing.

    Israel is an awesome nation and an example to be cited of an ethnostate. Orban gets this. Only an anti semetic loon would let Jew hate overcome his love of America. We need this model. It is our besieged Gondor. Still fighting Mordror.

    Anti Semites are traitors to the West like Venetians aiding the Otomans against the Byzantine s in hope of being eaten last and doctrinal purity.

    I love America. I want it to be like Israel with a massive border wall and kicking out non American s.

    I expect you to react America f yeah.

    Liberal Jews who are urbanized act like members of their class.

    It's a class problem.
  42. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior,

    Its not so much sad as a matter of fact of the Jewish belief system.

    Optimistically attributing their lack of engagement to an ostensibly correctable flaw in their social behavior is mischaracterizing their supremacist belief system and allowing them ever more time to “correct”.

    The actual correction needs to be on the part of gentiles, such as yourself, who have to be willing to engage with Judaism how it is (and says that it is), in this case, by asserting that Judaism is constitutionally (doctrinally) incapable of engaging with gentile critiques of Judaism.

    In short, start treating Judaism like the unrepentant psychopath’s religion that it is rather than the nice guy waiting to emerge that you are secretly hoping it to be. Not doing this leaves yourself and everyone else continuously open to being victims of the Jewish group because it allows it too much freedom and benefit of the doubt (for nothing in return).

    such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing.

    “Every bad thing” is fallacious hyperbole that seeks to invalidate the views of antisemites via a mischaracterization of their views that extends them to the most ridiculous length. With all due respect, no sale.

    That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews.

    That opinion most certainly is not impossible to hold for people who have been close to Jews. Myself being one.

    I’d be surprised if you’ve been closer to Jews than I have, considering that I’ve worked directly for and closely with Orthodox Jews over an extended period of time in a Jewish business in NYC, full time, and went to school with a plurality of Jewish students for an extended number of years. I have many Jewish friends across the spectrum of Jewish belief.

    What you are falling for is the common gentile impulse toward agreeableness and cooperation that, trust me, the desert dwellers do not share. This impulse is the precise reason that their name for you, Japheth, means gullible. In contrast, they see themselves as crafty and sophisticated.

    They use your racially embedded impulse toward social harmony against you, and hide their beliefs under a guise of superficial social extension toward you and other non-Jews that triggers that cooperative instinct. What their texts actually call for is the eventual genocide of all non-Jews.

    Per the Hebrew concordance (Hebrew word meanings translated to English) for Japheth:

    Word Origin

    denominative verb from pethi

    Definition

    to be simple

    NASB Translation

    allure (1), became…enticed (1), deceive (2), deceived (5), entice (9), enticed (1), entices (1), persuaded (1), prevailed (2), seduces (1), silly (1), simple (1).

    adjective simple, possibly as open-minded; — מֶּ֫תִי Proverbs 9:4 +, מֶּ֑תִי Psalm 19:8 +; plural מְּתָאיִם (Ges§ 93x) Psalm 116:6 6t. Proverbs; מְּתָיִיםPsalm 119:130; Proverbs 22:3; מְּתָיִם Proverbs 1:22,32; — simple, as substantive concrete: open to the instruction of wisdom or folly, Proverbs 9:4,16; believing every word Proverbs 14:15; lacking עָרְמָה (cunning, craftiness) Proverbs 1:14; Proverbs 8:5; Proverbs 19:25; needing בין Psalm 119:130, חכמה Psalm 19:8; Proverbs 21:11; in good sense, שׁמר ׳פתאים י Psalm 116:8 ׳י preserveth ths simple-minded; but usually tendency to bad sense; פתאים love פתי Proverbs 1:22; inherit אִוֶּלֶתProverbs 14:18, are easily enticed, misled and go back

    Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance

    foolish, simplicity, one

    Or pethiy {peh’-thee}; or pthaeiy {peth-aw-ee’}; from pathah; silly (i.e. Seducible) — foolish, simple(-icity, one)

    You should not give Jews the benefit of the doubt because they are social with you. That is part of their game, and it is necessary for them to do that to assure their survival, for as long as possible, as an extremely hostile minority embedded in an ignorant (of their beliefs) but highly dangerous (to them) majority.

    You should become intimately familiar with their belief system, which will be a process. A belief system that they take more seriously and literally than your current views toward them will initially allow you to believe. However, over time, you will come to the fact that they do take a deadly serious and literal approach to it. The extent of the literalness being one of the hidden but essential keys to understanding their religion and how it works (they apply their myths to every one of their modern day conflicts, for one).

    But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    With all due respect, stop apologizing for antisemitism. There is nothing more rational, which is clear once you come to understand their system on a deep level.

    Also stop trying to seek a non-existent and never-to-exist mutual understanding with them where they will come to the proverbial table and give concessions in return for a natural decline in antisemitism.

    That’s not their objective, nor how their religion is designed to work (one of its explicit strategies is to provoke gentiles to war with them). It has not happened to this point in our long history together because what they desire is the opposite of that hope.

    They want a world to themselves, and their scriptures specifically indicate a mass gentile genocide to bring that about that will come about during WWIII in a situation where everyone is attacking Israel. Driving toward that event is their medium term political goal. As they are required to act out all of their myths and prophecies as a part of their religion and a prerequisite to getting what they want (a world to themselves).

  43. @AnotherDad

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn't strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren't representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me--my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon--but that doesn't make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious "ethnomasochism" from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be "proudly Jewish" or "proud of my Jewish roots", while denouncing whites, "white racism!", "white privilege." (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump's tepid "muslim ban". (Or even an actual "muslim ban".) How's that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew--in the privacy of their home--sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, "hmm, maybe this isn't the diversity we need?"

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews--opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts--tilts very very strongly the other way: "Diversity is our strength", "white racism!", right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they've gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it's looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment--"ok, maybe we've got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren't going to be coming for us"--and ease up, we've seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. "We're going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that's what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!"

    they’ve gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation

    So have non-Jew progs (the vast majority).

    A cut flower wilts after a few days, even in water.

  44. AnotherDad is one of the most astute and intelligent commentators on the Unz site.

    • Agree: RationalExpressions
  45. @Buzz Mohawk
    That's nice, Jack.

    ... insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed – how does that help?
     
    What could have been better for Jewish interests than a country that welcomed you and yours here and facilitated your rise to dominance? You yourself are a product of this, and very quickly too.

    "The Right™" is also full of its very own diversity, so much so that it includes members of your own tribe who have been doing their best to co-opt its interests.

    When have we seen you here place American interests above what you just called "Jewish interests"? No, what you always do is instinctively defend Jewish interests any time anyone here ever deems to criticize them. I am one of those partial (1/4) "Joos," but, frankly, I don't consider anyone Ashkenazi or partly to be really "Jewish."

    Israel is a con and a joke played by Europeans like you.

    Just now Bibi has said he wants to annex the West Bank if he is reelected. Great. Do you remember how the Jewish world reacted when Hitler spoke of annexing? Yeah, I think you know.

    How the hell do you expect us to react?

    How the hell do you expect us to react?

    Isn’t that a neo-con thing to worry about what other countries do? I would say that the expected reaction is that it’s of no concern to you either way.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Bingo.

    Woke boomercon still boomercon.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    It is my concern when my government uses my money and the blood of my countrymen to defend the interests of a shitty little country half way around the world. It is also my concern when people of "dual interests" control my government, my media, my academia...

    Nice try, Jack, to deflect this to neocons.
  46. @Jack D

    How the hell do you expect us to react?
     
    Isn't that a neo-con thing to worry about what other countries do? I would say that the expected reaction is that it's of no concern to you either way.

    Bingo.

    Woke boomercon still boomercon.

  47. We need a formal corollary to Godwin’s Law stating that anyone who resorts to disingenuous hand-waving about “da Jooos” in a desperate frightened attempt to throw the bloodhounds off the trail, automatically forfeits the argument. Not that they ever had a credible chance of winning it, but all the same.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Godwinstein's Law
  48. The nationalist movement is about actual nations: Brazil, Hungary, America, Poland, Italy, Japan, the UK, and yes Israel. It’s not about imaginary bullshit like civic nationalism or white nationalism.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it's just not what WN's think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as "Founding Stock" Americans. They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.
    , @Anon

    The nationalist movement is about actual nations: Brazil, Hungary, America, Poland, Italy, Japan, the UK, and yes Israel. It’s not about imaginary bullshit like civic nationalism or white nationalism.
     
    The only "imaginary bullshit" in your statement is the implication that nationalism is based on paperwork and not racially-rooted ethnicity that is the core facilitator of political cooperation (and thus political power, and thus politically effective nationalism) across any people.

    Your version of "nationalism" is a form of internationalism. It would argue that I am politically closer to Tyrone who lives three blocks away and who I pass while he is walking his dog than I am to Franz who is thousands of miles away and who I have never met. Which is laughably ridiculous notion.

    Israeli-Jewish nationalism is a form of racial nationalism, but I enjoyed watching you clumsily try to lump it in with the paperwork nationalism that you only half heartedly try to advocate for while condemning racial nationalism. It was a weak effort, but you get a C for its predictible inclusion nevertheless.

    Civic nationalism, and I agree that it is bullshit (though shared civic values are a secondary result of real nationalism), is still less bullshit than your paperwork-multiracial geographic "nationalism".

    You are deceiving yourself to an absurd level, or perhaps merely trying to vainly deceive others, if you believe that the nationalist movement is about anything but race. The only time when I've read similar claims are when Bill Kristol was trying to self-sooth on twitter when he asserted that Brexit was not about race. You people can attempt to self-sooth away from reality, but know when you attempt to do it with public statements it only makes you look like you cannot deal with reality how it actually is and everyone else knows it to be.

    , @IC8
    Huh? If you're against both racial/ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism, what else is there? What exactly does "American nationalism" mean to you? Also LOL at claiming Brazil is a "real nation".
  49. @AnotherDad

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn't strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren't representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me--my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon--but that doesn't make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious "ethnomasochism" from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be "proudly Jewish" or "proud of my Jewish roots", while denouncing whites, "white racism!", "white privilege." (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump's tepid "muslim ban". (Or even an actual "muslim ban".) How's that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew--in the privacy of their home--sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, "hmm, maybe this isn't the diversity we need?"

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews--opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts--tilts very very strongly the other way: "Diversity is our strength", "white racism!", right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they've gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it's looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment--"ok, maybe we've got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren't going to be coming for us"--and ease up, we've seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. "We're going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that's what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!"

    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments,…………

    Maybe you should rethink that. No matter how rational you are, how even handed, and how much you qualify what you say, if you question the public actions of his group in any way, you will just be labeled an anti-semite. If you notice the disproportionate representation (and often vastly disproportionate represenation) of members of that tribe in certain areas of society, and ask whether that might have some consequences for our own tribe, then you will be attacked. You may think you are a reasonable guy, but to them you are indistinguishable from Julius Streicher.

    Maybe we gentiles should just stop giving a damn what people-who-are-not-us think.

    • Agree: Moses
  50. @Desiderius
    The nationalist movement is about actual nations: Brazil, Hungary, America, Poland, Italy, Japan, the UK, and yes Israel. It’s not about imaginary bullshit like civic nationalism or white nationalism.

    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it’s just not what WN’s think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as “Founding Stock” Americans. They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    If you really want to fight Globohomocorp, American nationalism is the only tool for the job.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it’s just not what WN’s think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as “Founding Stock” Americans.
     
    Jewish - no quotes.

    Founding Stock - quotes.

    Got it.

    They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.
     
    Willingly? As far as I can tell, a majority of those who served in the US military were conscripted. To say they were all "willing" participants in the war is just fantasy.
    , @a reader
    When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars (150) mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks (147), Latinos, Indians (feather, 20), Irish, Italians, etc. as well as “Founding Stock” Americans (9,071).

    And 4 women.

  51. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn't strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren't representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me--my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon--but that doesn't make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious "ethnomasochism" from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be "proudly Jewish" or "proud of my Jewish roots", while denouncing whites, "white racism!", "white privilege." (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump's tepid "muslim ban". (Or even an actual "muslim ban".) How's that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew--in the privacy of their home--sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, "hmm, maybe this isn't the diversity we need?"

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews--opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts--tilts very very strongly the other way: "Diversity is our strength", "white racism!", right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they've gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it's looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment--"ok, maybe we've got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren't going to be coming for us"--and ease up, we've seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. "We're going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that's what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!"

    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they’re “proudly Jewish” but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don’t live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that’s what an “intelligent” “classy” person does. And they’re going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn’t care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox).
     
    The 70% figure is highly dubious even for the US (just 30 years ago the figure was 14%), but I don't even know what to say about your implication that there are no Jews in Israel.

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially).
     
    Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter. That's not the phenomenon in question. We're not dealing with the expansion of the ingroup to include everyone. In that case, everyone would have the same rights and responsibilities, which is plainly not true.

    Instead, we're dealing with the inversion of the meaning of ingroup membership. Whites remain the putative ingroup, but instead of discrimination in favor of group members (which is the point of an ingroup), we see discrimination against group members.

    , @Lot
    You are right on US Jews. Wrong on our gun laws. I have a feeling you aren’t in the USA. They are not absurd, they keep us free.
    , @Desiderius
    Using the gun issue that way isn’t going to get you anywhere. You’re being had.

    There are already a cornucopia of “sensible gun laws” on the books and often meticulously enforced. Being for “sensible gun laws” that are already on the books is just another proggish fashion statement that status conscious whites use to distinguish themselves from the deplorables.

    , @Moses

    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox
     
    )

    Yet 3,000 years later the Jews are still with us, controlling our media andcsending $38 billion of our tax dollars to Israel.

    But yeah, I’m sure by marrying outgoups they’ll dissipate any day now.

    /sarcasm

    Come on. Your comment is a trope red herring. Nice try tho.
    , @Andy Texan
    A large minority of Jews have been absorbed into the Borg. That is where prestige, power and money reside. Another third vote demonRat for ethnic heritage and anti-Christian reasons. The remaining quarter are patriots to the old order of America, the one that has been sold down the river by the Chamber of Commerce Republicans.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    The Quakers were the first of the four British cultures established in the colonies to go the way of the Dodo, their influence waned a long time ago. What was left of the Old WASP establishment pretty much voluntarily threw in the towel in the early 1960s, giving up the farm system of the elites, the universities, which lead to them losing everything else they controlled.

    Jews don't have to numerically grow within these institutions anymore. The white Gentiles have adopted their worldview increasingly with time, their viewpoints dominate despite a smaller percentage of Jews in the population. Jewish proclivities for leftist politics long predates their love of Teutonic autos. They were voting left even when Gentiles were not, they have have always voted left.

    , @AnotherDad

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven).
     
    Anon 151, my phrase "Jewish minoritarianism" is of course simplistic as boiling any social/cultural/political phenomenon down into a phrase is going to be. But you need to do a lot more reading and reasoning if the above is your understanding.

    I never indicated Jews are responsible for utopianism. Protestant utopianism has been in American since Plymouth Rock. That's not the issue. (Though it's certainly a part of the problem.) Christianity is universalist--has been from at least St.Paul. "Universalism" is not the issue.

    Just because Quakers and other Rainbow Prostestants now parrot minoritarianism, does not mean they invented it or drove it.

    Simply look back at what good-thinking Progressives wanted to do a century back, you'll notice it's in no sense "minoritarian". The Protestant Progressives wanted everyone else to ... behave like a white Protestant Progressive! They wanted my Irish Catholic cousins to shape the hell up--stop drinking and having so many babies. The wanted to uplift the debased black population--understood as a huge project. None of that is "minoritarianism" or "bad whitey!" Heck, minoritarianism wasn't even a serious public ideology when i was a kid. White people and civilization as cancer had to wait for the "wisdom" of people like Susan Sontag.

    This isn't complicated stuff:

    "E Pluribus unum" is not "Diversity is our greatest strength".

    "Take up the white man's burden" is not "white privilege".

    These ideas are actually different kind of like "love" and "hate".
  52. An says:
    @AnotherDad

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn't strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren't representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me--my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon--but that doesn't make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious "ethnomasochism" from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be "proudly Jewish" or "proud of my Jewish roots", while denouncing whites, "white racism!", "white privilege." (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump's tepid "muslim ban". (Or even an actual "muslim ban".) How's that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew--in the privacy of their home--sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, "hmm, maybe this isn't the diversity we need?"

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews--opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts--tilts very very strongly the other way: "Diversity is our strength", "white racism!", right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they've gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it's looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment--"ok, maybe we've got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren't going to be coming for us"--and ease up, we've seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. "We're going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that's what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!"

    I married into a Jewish family so I know something about this. There is a very strong unwillingness to look at various hypocrisies in their own behavior, and an undercurrent of anti Gentile feelings. I’ve had to point out that I am Christian a couple times to get people to stop saying various nasty things. I think there is an identification between social justice sympathies and anti-christian feelings, like the Jews in my family feel that those are pretty much the same thing, achieving their various social justice aims is the same thing as undermining the Christianity that they see as oppressing them. I don’t see the social parasitism arguments of Kevin McDonald, it seems to be more of a blind ethnic self-righteousness that doesn’t see how much their high achievement have been due to living in a white gentile Society.

  53. @Jack D
    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it's just not what WN's think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as "Founding Stock" Americans. They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.

    If you really want to fight Globohomocorp, American nationalism is the only tool for the job.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Respectfully puzzled, then why did you just imply that my comment was from a "boomercon?" What is not American nationalist about my point?
    , @Lot
    “American nationalism is the only tool for the job.”

    After about 25 years of experience in the modern anti-migration movement, we know what is at least somewhat successful in the West, and what is a tiny marginalized joke.

    https://thumbor.guiame.com.br/unsafe/840x500/right/smart/https://media.guiame.com.br/archives/2018/10/29/910846365-jair-bolsonaro-em-israel.jpg

    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/images/TrumpIsrael.jpg
  54. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc.

    Loads in Hollywood films, far more than reality, its almost like propoganda.

  55. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it’s just not what WN’s think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as “Founding Stock” Americans. They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.

    This is nonsensical propaganda.

    First, to claim that Jews can have any other form of nationalism other than Judaism is blatant mischaracterization of the core tenet of the Jewish religion. Its impossible. One cannot serve two masters when it comes to nationalism, and especially Jewish nationalism. To state otherwise is to be misleading.

    Second, you mischaracterize the per capita ethnic population of soldiers in any American military of any era. None of the non-European minorities that you mentioned served at the same percentage as Aryan stock in the US military, and especially not in the infantry. They never have.

    Stop trying to lend equal credit to minorities when it is not due. Stolen valor in this nation is an unforgivable sin.

    Third, fighting Germany was not “laying down lives for America”. It was doing the bidding of Jewish power, and British power to an extent (insofar as they were not a Jewish golem at the time).

    Fighting Germany and Germans was not in the interest of this abominable menagerie of people that we currently call “America”, and it certainly was not in the interest of the plurality of racially Germanic soldiers who invaded Normandy nor was it in the interests of their descendants.

    As can can now readily see by the communist style social, cultural, and political degeneration that Germany’s defeat has resulted in for the descendants of those American soldiers.

    Guess which Army the Jews prefer to erect monuments to in their enclaves in both the United States and Israel? Its not the United States Army, but the Red Army of the communist Soviet Union. That is the ideology that America was serving when they invaded Europe to defeat the Germans. Not any other.

  56. @Jack D

    How the hell do you expect us to react?
     
    Isn't that a neo-con thing to worry about what other countries do? I would say that the expected reaction is that it's of no concern to you either way.

    It is my concern when my government uses my money and the blood of my countrymen to defend the interests of a shitty little country half way around the world. It is also my concern when people of “dual interests” control my government, my media, my academia…

    Nice try, Jack, to deflect this to neocons.

    • Agree: Mis(ter)Anthrope
    • Replies: @Jack D

    It is my concern when my government uses my money and the blood of my countrymen to defend the interests of a shitty little country half way around the world.
     
    Would that be England?
  57. @Desiderius
    If you really want to fight Globohomocorp, American nationalism is the only tool for the job.

    Respectfully puzzled, then why did you just imply that my comment was from a “boomercon?” What is not American nationalist about my point?

  58. @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews.

    No, it’s not. It’s much easier for people like you to hold not the strawman “opinion” that you cited but an understanding like that of MacDonald, who indeed is a person like you.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Once Jews get comfortable with you, they forget you’re not a Jew and stop being careful what they say around you.

    Your Jewish friends aren’t comfortable enough with you yet to tell you what they really think of the goyim.
  59. @Buzz Mohawk
    It is my concern when my government uses my money and the blood of my countrymen to defend the interests of a shitty little country half way around the world. It is also my concern when people of "dual interests" control my government, my media, my academia...

    Nice try, Jack, to deflect this to neocons.

    It is my concern when my government uses my money and the blood of my countrymen to defend the interests of a shitty little country half way around the world.

    Would that be England?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Ha ha ha. Yes, indeed that would be England and any other country. The thing is, I'm not aware of very many Englishmen in my country who have divided loyalty. I know a few, and they are very blasé about this.

    They never surface here on the intardnets either. Maybe because there is a real familial connection between our countries and people, whereas with others... well... LOL

    Gee you raised the now-getting-old WASP trope. (Actually the correct word is "canard," but I will humor your tribe's insertion of the new term into our current public discourse.)

    , @Hibernian
    It was in WW1 and WW2.
  60. @ic1000
    That Quillette article on the origins of the Invisible Knapsack of White Privilege is informative. As far as white people, it's not Jews driving this train, just as it's not gentiles. It's the alliance of the woke -- Jews and gentiles (such as Peggy McIntosh), marching through the institutions together.

    Jews are gonna Jew no matter what we do. If we can’t police and/or inspire our own people, what good are we? If we can’t apply carrot & stick social pressure on someone with a name like “Peggy McIntosh”, then we’ve already lost.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    McIntosh isn’t our own people. Ask her.

    That’s why white nationalism in the American context is incoherent.
  61. Anon[929] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    The nationalist movement is about actual nations: Brazil, Hungary, America, Poland, Italy, Japan, the UK, and yes Israel. It’s not about imaginary bullshit like civic nationalism or white nationalism.

    The nationalist movement is about actual nations: Brazil, Hungary, America, Poland, Italy, Japan, the UK, and yes Israel. It’s not about imaginary bullshit like civic nationalism or white nationalism.

    The only “imaginary bullshit” in your statement is the implication that nationalism is based on paperwork and not racially-rooted ethnicity that is the core facilitator of political cooperation (and thus political power, and thus politically effective nationalism) across any people.

    Your version of “nationalism” is a form of internationalism. It would argue that I am politically closer to Tyrone who lives three blocks away and who I pass while he is walking his dog than I am to Franz who is thousands of miles away and who I have never met. Which is laughably ridiculous notion.

    Israeli-Jewish nationalism is a form of racial nationalism, but I enjoyed watching you clumsily try to lump it in with the paperwork nationalism that you only half heartedly try to advocate for while condemning racial nationalism. It was a weak effort, but you get a C for its predictible inclusion nevertheless.

    Civic nationalism, and I agree that it is bullshit (though shared civic values are a secondary result of real nationalism), is still less bullshit than your paperwork-multiracial geographic “nationalism”.

    You are deceiving yourself to an absurd level, or perhaps merely trying to vainly deceive others, if you believe that the nationalist movement is about anything but race. The only time when I’ve read similar claims are when Bill Kristol was trying to self-sooth on twitter when he asserted that Brexit was not about race. You people can attempt to self-sooth away from reality, but know when you attempt to do it with public statements it only makes you look like you cannot deal with reality how it actually is and everyone else knows it to be.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    It looks like promoting some kind of fake, multi-racial 'murican nationalism is the new neocon strategy. It's a bait and switch. Tell white Americans "okay, you can have nationalism too just like the Israelis and Chinese do." Then the fine print says our nationalism has no ethnic component, anyone can be part of it and we can't define it or decide who is in or out.

    In other words, they are trying to sell us the exact same situation we have now with a new name.

    This will work on boomers.
  62. @Desiderius
    Because it’s not our signature on the paycheck.

    Because it’s not our signature on the paycheck.

    LOL

    I’d say it’s the obverse problem: We’re signing the checks, but we have no say.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    No, the money that comes from most of us is withheld without a signature. The signatures that matter are those of the big donors and the Secretary of the Treasury whom they thereby select.
  63. @Lot
    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    You’re full of it.

    MacDonald’s trilogy in three sentences:

    1. Jews are a cohesive group.

    2. At times, Europeans have engaged in their own group strategies in reaction to competition with the Jewish group.

    3. The Jewish group has spawned a number of political and intellectual movements designed to prevent white gentiles (all or any portion of them) from constituting a cohesive group to compete with the Jewish group.

    Intellectually and logically, it’s trivially easy to engage with that proposition. The reason you are unable “to engage with that” is emotional or instinctual. You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. Accordingly, you turn to other tactics, like lying and concealing.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. ”

    I sense he’s a 9-11 truther/neo-nazi nut. Not worth my time.

    Do you engage with Maoists and young-earth creationists? If not, why not?
  64. @Dave Pinsen
    The 737 Max as a metaphor for America is inspired, but I would have the components correspond a little differently. The fuel is the economic power generated by America’s net tax payers, the too-big engines that don’t quite fit on the plane are post-1965 diversity, the malfunctioning angle of attack sensors are the mainstream media, and MCAS is the law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.

    “law enforcement, corrections, emergency rooms, EITC, and everything else designed to counteract the weight of the diversity.”

    Don’t forget the big one: disability benefits.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20130408032918/http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/04/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_5.html

  65. I don’t think it’s necessary for Jews to call out their own, but a little more press attention paid to preserving the first, second, and tenth amendments would be reassuring. Especially the second. I think that unmitigated support of these three amendments is critical to earning the trust of the Crackers.

  66. @Jack D
    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it's just not what WN's think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as "Founding Stock" Americans. They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.

    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it’s just not what WN’s think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as “Founding Stock” Americans.

    Jewish – no quotes.

    Founding Stock – quotes.

    Got it.

    They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.

    Willingly? As far as I can tell, a majority of those who served in the US military were conscripted. To say they were all “willing” participants in the war is just fantasy.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Jewish – no quotes.

    Founding Stock – quotes.

    Got it.
     

    EXACTLY

    A very good point.

    Let's just call his slip "Freudian." LOL

  67. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn't strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren't representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me--my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon--but that doesn't make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious "ethnomasochism" from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be "proudly Jewish" or "proud of my Jewish roots", while denouncing whites, "white racism!", "white privilege." (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump's tepid "muslim ban". (Or even an actual "muslim ban".) How's that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew--in the privacy of their home--sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, "hmm, maybe this isn't the diversity we need?"

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews--opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts--tilts very very strongly the other way: "Diversity is our strength", "white racism!", right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they've gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it's looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment--"ok, maybe we've got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren't going to be coming for us"--and ease up, we've seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. "We're going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that's what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!"

    “I see very little serious “ethnomasochism” from most Jews.”

    Really only Sweden and Germany are full on majority EM. Every other group that suffers, it’s a minority. A minority that can gain control in alliance with/funded by with big capital, but still subject to getting thrown out. I am thinking of Italy and Israel as good examples. The EMs still are there and still want a flood of Africans and Muslims, but they lost elections.

    “Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it’s looney, emotional stuff all the time.”

    Yeah the left is becoming more extreme, even as it becomes less Jewish. The secular full Ashkenazi population was about 4% of the US white pop in the 1920-1955 cohort. Now it is well under 1%.

    “Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment–“ok, maybe we’ve got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren’t going to be coming for us””

    You have this idea that Jewish race leftism came from the idea Jews are better off without a European majority in the USA. That idea is absurd for so many reasons. Some people find some idiots who “admit” this and ascribe it to all leftist Jews. But really, go talk to actual leftist, Jewish or otherwise. There’s no indication this is true.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    You have this idea that Jewish race leftism came from the idea Jews are better off without a European majority in the USA. That idea is absurd for so many reasons.
     
    Not a millionth as absurd as the claim that "Jewish race leftism" came from the idea that whites would be better off without a white majority in the USA.

    As absurd as "this idea" may sound to you, it is nonetheless the idea that has prevailed in the organized Jewish community. Even the occasional insider (i.e., Stephen Steinlight) who questioned whether unlimited immigration was good for the Jews in this country did so in language that made it clear that whites (and blacks!) were not allowed to participate in the determination of their own demographic future ihere.

  68. @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox).

    The 70% figure is highly dubious even for the US (just 30 years ago the figure was 14%), but I don’t even know what to say about your implication that there are no Jews in Israel.

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially).

    Whether or not that’s true, it doesn’t matter. That’s not the phenomenon in question. We’re not dealing with the expansion of the ingroup to include everyone. In that case, everyone would have the same rights and responsibilities, which is plainly not true.

    Instead, we’re dealing with the inversion of the meaning of ingroup membership. Whites remain the putative ingroup, but instead of discrimination in favor of group members (which is the point of an ingroup), we see discrimination against group members.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Universalism and egalitarianism carry with them the implication that if some people are worse off it's the fault of society. Not a huge leap to then suggest that society ought to do something to make them better off.

    Moralizing and self-flagellation have been cherished American pastimes since the Puritans. Why so many people enjoy listening to some pompous, overfed, essentially useless self-styled "authority" lecture them about how awful they are...I certainly don't get it, but it's not exactly a new or novel development.
    , @Anon

    Instead, we’re dealing with the inversion of the meaning of ingroup membership. Whites remain the putative ingroup, but instead of discrimination in favor of group members (which is the point of an ingroup), we see discrimination against group members.
     
    This is a good insight. Thank you.

    Though, I'd add that real political in-groups both discriminate for and against members (which may be what you were trying to imply).

    I see Whites a natural political group, likely forged from extreme environmental conditions over thousands of years.

    The geographically isolated natural process having created the race with the most exclusionary and expressed recessive genetics on the planet - and therefore the race that requires thee most genetic isolation to continue.

    However, I see us as an excessively underdeveloped intentional political group. This is likely because we were thrust too quickly out of isolation and into multicultural societies with foreign interests and rulership.

    We did not have the extended time required to create a defensive-offensive and advanced political system on par with Judaism.

    Whereas the Semites had the luxury of largely agreeable lower latitude environmental conditions that did not develop their physical genetics, to include some cognitive and emotional differences, as well as their collective character in positive ways.

    But these conditions did allow them the survival advantage that, in combination with their proximity to other tribes who applied a political survival pressure to the Jews that Aryans largely did not face, the Jews developed the most advanced hostile political system known to man.

    It was largely cohesive at least as early as 2,500 years ago, and it still enjoys top status today.

    I often find myself wondering how far into unrecorded or popularly unknown history we would have to delve to arrive at the beginning of that development process.

  69. @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    You are right on US Jews. Wrong on our gun laws. I have a feeling you aren’t in the USA. They are not absurd, they keep us free.

  70. @Jack D

    It is my concern when my government uses my money and the blood of my countrymen to defend the interests of a shitty little country half way around the world.
     
    Would that be England?

    Ha ha ha. Yes, indeed that would be England and any other country. The thing is, I’m not aware of very many Englishmen in my country who have divided loyalty. I know a few, and they are very blasé about this.

    They never surface here on the intardnets either. Maybe because there is a real familial connection between our countries and people, whereas with others… well… LOL

    Gee you raised the now-getting-old WASP trope. (Actually the correct word is “canard,” but I will humor your tribe’s insertion of the new term into our current public discourse.)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    England has often been pretty shitty. I'm thinking especially of their efforts to draw us into their wars, and the (former) propensity of their ruling class to view American men as their reserve army. And it isn't merely America they've abused in this way. They often acted disgracefully towards their own colonies and even their own people.

    But they are nowadays nothing like the albatross that our best little buddy in the Mideast has become.
  71. @ben tillman

    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.
     
    You're full of it.

    MacDonald's trilogy in three sentences:

    1. Jews are a cohesive group.

    2. At times, Europeans have engaged in their own group strategies in reaction to competition with the Jewish group.

    3. The Jewish group has spawned a number of political and intellectual movements designed to prevent white gentiles (all or any portion of them) from constituting a cohesive group to compete with the Jewish group.

    Intellectually and logically, it's trivially easy to engage with that proposition. The reason you are unable "to engage with that" is emotional or instinctual. You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. Accordingly, you turn to other tactics, like lying and concealing.

    “You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. ”

    I sense he’s a 9-11 truther/neo-nazi nut. Not worth my time.

    Do you engage with Maoists and young-earth creationists? If not, why not?

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    “You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. ”

    I sense he’s a 9-11 truther/neo-nazi nut. Not worth my time.
     
    Sorry, I left out argumentum ad hominem of the stupidest sort.
  72. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    “no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald.”

    Plenty of Jews engaged with Steve for the past couple decades.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies. There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    As for MacDonald, he’s a Unzie nutter whose big theory is Jews are awful parasites genetically programmed to destroy Western societies, and his site is full of neo-nazis and 9-11 truther conspiracies.

    The ad hominem refuge is the saddest refuge because it implies rhetorical impudence.

    There’s really no way to engaage with that.

    Sure there is. Engage with it, if you have a superior argument. Jewish avoidance of a meaningful debate with knowledgeable antisemities is avoidance of a debate that Jews know they cannot win on facts.

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.

    Jews aren’t ethnomasochists on the whole.

    That’s a weak and demonstrably invalid ploy to excuse away Jewish political hypocrisy when they advocate for ethnic destruction of certain peoples, advocacy that unavoidably causes blowback that affects their own tribe, while rabidly reinforcing their own ethnic supremacy.

    Its a simple supremacist approach, using two tiers of ethics, that is often implemented by the same group (see almost any politically significant European or American Jewish group) or individual (see any Neocon or even mainstream Jewish Leftist).

    To be a Jew is to be a Jew. To be a Jew is to be an ethnic supremacist. To not be a Jewish ethnic supremacist is to not be a Jew. Ruthless ethnic nationalist supremacy and imperialism is the core thesis of the Jewish religion.

  73. @SFG
    All IMHO of course, but:

    Who would dare?

    You'd be unpersoned just like any other un-PC right wing journalist, and you wouldn't have the support networks other dissident-right figures would have.

    There was a fellow, Joshua Seidel, who actually wrote a defense of the alt-right in the Forward, saying basically what AnotherDad said: you're going to throw whites out of power, and the POC will turn on you. Unfortunately he tried to claim he was actually on it, and got several hundred comments saying things like 'go kill yourself' or 'we would kill you' or (more charitably) go to Israel. A few were sympathetic, but nobody's heard much from him since.

    There are dudes like Frame Game Radio, but they remain anonymous.

    For what it's worth David Frum, despite his other sins in the Iraq War, has been writing cases for immigration restriction from the Atlantic (of all places), Yoram Hazony defended the right to Anglo-American nationalism, Eric Kaufman has a new book (which Steve really ought to review) arguing that some degree of white ID politics are expected and legitimate. Breitbart and the Drudge Report did a lot to help elect DJT, and have not been huge advocates of unrestricted immigration, to say the least. (They're pro-Israel, but then I wouldn't expect Bill O'Reilly to complain about the IRA.)

    (None of this is to deny neocon immigration love, of course, but their major contribution seems instead to have been in foreign policy, specifically the greatest foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.)

    They haven't really *called out their relatives as such*, true. But if they did, they'd just wind up jobless, and the actual Nazis would keep sending them death threats, because while POC hustlers are willing to keep a few pet white 'allies' around for useful idiots, to the Andrew Anglin types every person of Jewish ancestry belongs in an oven or in a bog.

    So the Stephen Miller types vote Republican, argue for the traditional West where they can, and keep their mouths shut about their relatives.

    ” Breitbart and the Drudge Report did a lot to help elect DJT” , maybe so . I haven’t read either one of them more than a dozen times combined . I think it was more the unsupervised uncensored nature of the internet as a whole that got him elected . The Dems didn’t have a clue about what was going on around here . Hence the hysterical censorship and criminalizing of wrongthink in the west . Everyone from Andrew Anglin to Ben Shapiro had an audience and an impact . That was a one off situation . By staying with twitter and Facebook you’ve given hostages to fortune . Get off of those platforms I don’t have a twitter account or a Facebook account , I’m not missing any thing . The fewer dissenting voices on those platforms the better for those of us who hold conservative views , they will become another bubble of babble like the MSM . Gather here gather there , if we are predictable we are vulnerable .

  74. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox).
     
    The 70% figure is highly dubious even for the US (just 30 years ago the figure was 14%), but I don't even know what to say about your implication that there are no Jews in Israel.

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially).
     
    Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter. That's not the phenomenon in question. We're not dealing with the expansion of the ingroup to include everyone. In that case, everyone would have the same rights and responsibilities, which is plainly not true.

    Instead, we're dealing with the inversion of the meaning of ingroup membership. Whites remain the putative ingroup, but instead of discrimination in favor of group members (which is the point of an ingroup), we see discrimination against group members.

    Universalism and egalitarianism carry with them the implication that if some people are worse off it’s the fault of society. Not a huge leap to then suggest that society ought to do something to make them better off.

    Moralizing and self-flagellation have been cherished American pastimes since the Puritans. Why so many people enjoy listening to some pompous, overfed, essentially useless self-styled “authority” lecture them about how awful they are…I certainly don’t get it, but it’s not exactly a new or novel development.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Moralizing and self-flagellation have been cherished American pastimes since the Puritans.

    To be fair to Anglo-Americans, the self-flagellating types seem very often to come from German or Scandinavian Christian traditions. So many of those folks immigrated to the US to get away from worldly entanglements, like military conscription. Guys like Sen. Ben Sasse come from a Christian tradition that makes little sense to me but obviously does to them.
    , @ben tillman

    Universalism and egalitarianism carry with them the implication that if some people are worse off it’s the fault of society.
     
    First, no one said anything about egalitarianism. Second, universalism implies nothing of the sort.
  75. @Buzz Mohawk
    That's nice, Jack.

    ... insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed – how does that help?
     
    What could have been better for Jewish interests than a country that welcomed you and yours here and facilitated your rise to dominance? You yourself are a product of this, and very quickly too.

    "The Right™" is also full of its very own diversity, so much so that it includes members of your own tribe who have been doing their best to co-opt its interests.

    When have we seen you here place American interests above what you just called "Jewish interests"? No, what you always do is instinctively defend Jewish interests any time anyone here ever deems to criticize them. I am one of those partial (1/4) "Joos," but, frankly, I don't consider anyone Ashkenazi or partly to be really "Jewish."

    Israel is a con and a joke played by Europeans like you.

    Just now Bibi has said he wants to annex the West Bank if he is reelected. Great. Do you remember how the Jewish world reacted when Hitler spoke of annexing? Yeah, I think you know.

    How the hell do you expect us to react?

    Like someone not an idiot. Germany 1938 could field an army group of a million men to conquer Europe. Israel has five million Jews. If which maybe 200k are fit for military service.

    Israel is roughly aligned with US policy objectives since FDR. Keep oil flowing.

    Israel is an awesome nation and an example to be cited of an ethnostate. Orban gets this. Only an anti semetic loon would let Jew hate overcome his love of America. We need this model. It is our besieged Gondor. Still fighting Mordror.

    Anti Semites are traitors to the West like Venetians aiding the Otomans against the Byzantine s in hope of being eaten last and doctrinal purity.

    I love America. I want it to be like Israel with a massive border wall and kicking out non American s.

    I expect you to react America f yeah.

    Liberal Jews who are urbanized act like members of their class.

    It’s a class problem.

  76. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox).
     
    The 70% figure is highly dubious even for the US (just 30 years ago the figure was 14%), but I don't even know what to say about your implication that there are no Jews in Israel.

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially).
     
    Whether or not that's true, it doesn't matter. That's not the phenomenon in question. We're not dealing with the expansion of the ingroup to include everyone. In that case, everyone would have the same rights and responsibilities, which is plainly not true.

    Instead, we're dealing with the inversion of the meaning of ingroup membership. Whites remain the putative ingroup, but instead of discrimination in favor of group members (which is the point of an ingroup), we see discrimination against group members.

    Instead, we’re dealing with the inversion of the meaning of ingroup membership. Whites remain the putative ingroup, but instead of discrimination in favor of group members (which is the point of an ingroup), we see discrimination against group members.

    This is a good insight. Thank you.

    Though, I’d add that real political in-groups both discriminate for and against members (which may be what you were trying to imply).

    I see Whites a natural political group, likely forged from extreme environmental conditions over thousands of years.

    The geographically isolated natural process having created the race with the most exclusionary and expressed recessive genetics on the planet – and therefore the race that requires thee most genetic isolation to continue.

    However, I see us as an excessively underdeveloped intentional political group. This is likely because we were thrust too quickly out of isolation and into multicultural societies with foreign interests and rulership.

    We did not have the extended time required to create a defensive-offensive and advanced political system on par with Judaism.

    Whereas the Semites had the luxury of largely agreeable lower latitude environmental conditions that did not develop their physical genetics, to include some cognitive and emotional differences, as well as their collective character in positive ways.

    But these conditions did allow them the survival advantage that, in combination with their proximity to other tribes who applied a political survival pressure to the Jews that Aryans largely did not face, the Jews developed the most advanced hostile political system known to man.

    It was largely cohesive at least as early as 2,500 years ago, and it still enjoys top status today.

    I often find myself wondering how far into unrecorded or popularly unknown history we would have to delve to arrive at the beginning of that development process.

  77. @Anon
    The racism and anti semitism here is appalling

    If you guys wonder why Men of Color are desired by white girls then that is why

    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    … but they do like cruelty. They like being cruel to people they feel safe attacking and they especially like to cruelly enforce social norms, no matter what they are.

    My guess is that you yourself are a woman. My guess too is that you say the “racism and anti semitism here is appalling” because such things carry the smell of low status. If we were living in Nazi Germany, you’d be repulsed at any hint of Judeo-Bolshevism or the sound of Negro jazz music. That’s my theory about you, Anon 415.

    • Replies: @IC8
    Seriously, dude? It's obviously the satirical troll Tiny Duck commenting anonymously.
  78. @Mr. Anon

    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it’s just not what WN’s think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as “Founding Stock” Americans.
     
    Jewish - no quotes.

    Founding Stock - quotes.

    Got it.

    They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.
     
    Willingly? As far as I can tell, a majority of those who served in the US military were conscripted. To say they were all "willing" participants in the war is just fantasy.

    Jewish – no quotes.

    Founding Stock – quotes.

    Got it.

    EXACTLY

    A very good point.

    Let’s just call his slip “Freudian.” LOL

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's not Freudian - it was intentional because WN's take "Founding Stock" to mean purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant but America was always ethnically and religiously mixed. From the very first shot of the American Revolution, a black- Indian mulatto, Crispus Attucks, shows up and spoils the all white Minuteman fantasy.
  79. A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years…

    It seems to me there’s a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I’d very much add the insane current focus on “transgenderism,” which is something I don’t think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I’ve gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior”

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?
    , @Anonymous
    The main thrust of Jewish immigration to the USA occurred decades after the abolition of slavery - the period roughly from 1880 to 1920 - and concerned Ashkenazi from Poland, Ukraine etc.

    The slave trading era seems to have been a Sephardic thing, connected with Holland and England. Both nations received a Sephardic population in the 1600s very much engaged in mercantile trade.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

     

    Hear hear. It is a damned good thing that you exist at all. Thank you, and please keep up your good works.
    , @Jack D

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.
     
    Another blood libel. This seems to be a tendency. There is no "massive" evidence. The Jewish role was not "far greater" even if you hedge (and this is a big hedge) with "in relative terms", because in relative terms the Jewish population of the old South was tiny and insignificant. In 1808 when importation of slaves from Africa ended, there were fewer that 2,500 Jews in the entire United States. If there were no Jews in America and no Jews in the slave trade, the history of slavery in the American South would have been almost exactly the same.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.
     

    Another half truth. While Jews were involved in the early Bolshevik phase of Communism, they were anti-religious converts to the new religion of Marxism and did great damage to Jewish institutions and people. Nor was the Soviet leadership "overwhelmingly Jewish" although some Jews were present. Look at Cambodia - the fact that Pol Pot was Cambodian didn't keep him from oppressing his own people.

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the '67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early '50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.

    , @Cagey Beast
    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Generally speaking, as the decades rolled on in the East Bloc, the oppression got heavier for the Jews as it got lighter for the majority populations. The Jews lost power in the Party while the Gentiles gained it at their expense. This trend came do a boil after the '67 War. The anti-Zionist Purges* were highlighted by William Safire and Richard Nixon in the hopes that it would turn the New York intellectuals against the USSR.

    That being said, I think I'd rather be a Jewish bureaucrat whose career was stalled by anti-Semitism in the 1960s than a Russian gentleman shot in a cellar by the Cheka in the 1920s.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis

    , @Sam Malone
    Thank you Ron for this site, and in particular for your support of Steve.

    attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.
     
    I'd be interested in knowing more about this - my understanding is that Jewish activists were heavily involved in promoting King and the movement for racial integration in general.
    , @Anon

    distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas
     
    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading

     

    150 years after slavery was abolished in the west we still have slave auctions and chattel slavery in the Islamic republics of Libya , Mauritania,Sudan,Somalia and Nigeria. Seems muslims played the greatest role in slavery and vigourously continue 150 years after Jews and Christians ceased the slave trade.
    , @DB Cooper
    "A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power. "

    Wow. I am extremely impressed with Ron's insight because I also came to the same conclusion. Mao was after all not crazy, he just use the Cultural Revolution as a pretext to manipulate himself back into power and stay in power until his death. As far as China is concerned Ron certainly knows what he is talking and his observation and insight is on the money most of the time. I wonder whether Ron has any Chinese language skills. Many so called Sinologists are actually pretty clueless even though they know the language and probably know a lot about Chinese history.
  80. @Lot
    “I see very little serious “ethnomasochism” from most Jews.”

    Really only Sweden and Germany are full on majority EM. Every other group that suffers, it’s a minority. A minority that can gain control in alliance with/funded by with big capital, but still subject to getting thrown out. I am thinking of Italy and Israel as good examples. The EMs still are there and still want a flood of Africans and Muslims, but they lost elections.

    “Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it’s looney, emotional stuff all the time.”

    Yeah the left is becoming more extreme, even as it becomes less Jewish. The secular full Ashkenazi population was about 4% of the US white pop in the 1920-1955 cohort. Now it is well under 1%.

    “Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment–“ok, maybe we’ve got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren’t going to be coming for us””

    You have this idea that Jewish race leftism came from the idea Jews are better off without a European majority in the USA. That idea is absurd for so many reasons. Some people find some idiots who “admit” this and ascribe it to all leftist Jews. But really, go talk to actual leftist, Jewish or otherwise. There's no indication this is true.

    You have this idea that Jewish race leftism came from the idea Jews are better off without a European majority in the USA. That idea is absurd for so many reasons.

    Not a millionth as absurd as the claim that “Jewish race leftism” came from the idea that whites would be better off without a white majority in the USA.

    As absurd as “this idea” may sound to you, it is nonetheless the idea that has prevailed in the organized Jewish community. Even the occasional insider (i.e., Stephen Steinlight) who questioned whether unlimited immigration was good for the Jews in this country did so in language that made it clear that whites (and blacks!) were not allowed to participate in the determination of their own demographic future ihere.

  81. @SFG
    All IMHO of course, but:

    Who would dare?

    You'd be unpersoned just like any other un-PC right wing journalist, and you wouldn't have the support networks other dissident-right figures would have.

    There was a fellow, Joshua Seidel, who actually wrote a defense of the alt-right in the Forward, saying basically what AnotherDad said: you're going to throw whites out of power, and the POC will turn on you. Unfortunately he tried to claim he was actually on it, and got several hundred comments saying things like 'go kill yourself' or 'we would kill you' or (more charitably) go to Israel. A few were sympathetic, but nobody's heard much from him since.

    There are dudes like Frame Game Radio, but they remain anonymous.

    For what it's worth David Frum, despite his other sins in the Iraq War, has been writing cases for immigration restriction from the Atlantic (of all places), Yoram Hazony defended the right to Anglo-American nationalism, Eric Kaufman has a new book (which Steve really ought to review) arguing that some degree of white ID politics are expected and legitimate. Breitbart and the Drudge Report did a lot to help elect DJT, and have not been huge advocates of unrestricted immigration, to say the least. (They're pro-Israel, but then I wouldn't expect Bill O'Reilly to complain about the IRA.)

    (None of this is to deny neocon immigration love, of course, but their major contribution seems instead to have been in foreign policy, specifically the greatest foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.)

    They haven't really *called out their relatives as such*, true. But if they did, they'd just wind up jobless, and the actual Nazis would keep sending them death threats, because while POC hustlers are willing to keep a few pet white 'allies' around for useful idiots, to the Andrew Anglin types every person of Jewish ancestry belongs in an oven or in a bog.

    So the Stephen Miller types vote Republican, argue for the traditional West where they can, and keep their mouths shut about their relatives.

    To my knowledge, Irish Republicans, even the most militant and criminal ones, only seem to care about getting England out of Ireland. They don’t seem to care about getting demanding third world immigrants out of Ireland, or about resisting the dictates of Brussels bureaucrats. I’d like to be proven wrong.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    They don't appear to have thought things through very well, but you have to think they will at some stage. And it will probably be some kind of dramatically quick bridge on the river kwai awakening.
    , @AnotherDad

    To my knowledge, Irish Republicans, even the most militant and criminal ones, only seem to care about getting England out of Ireland. They don’t seem to care about getting demanding third world immigrants out of Ireland, or about resisting the dictates of Brussels bureaucrats. I’d like to be proven wrong.
     
    Agree.

    Four generations out, all that strife was at arms length for me. But "the troubles" was certainly in the news when i was a teenager.

    My general opinion was--a lack of creative flexible leadership. What should have been done is a simple repartition. Let the people who wanted to be in Ireland, be in Ireland. Let the people who wanted to be in the UK be in the UK. Yes, force people to move--swap homes, businesses, farms, etc.--or shut up. I.e. the same sort of separation we could use now in the USA.


    But what we've seen is the Republicans are not real republicans, real nationalists at all, but a bunch of pathetic cucky globalist douche bags. All that fighting and bombing and terrorizing--and prison time, hunger strikes, etc. etc.--against being part of Britain and bossed around by the Prots and you're happy with dictates from Brussels and Nigerians coming into your nation? Shameful.
  82. Lot says:
    @Desiderius
    If you really want to fight Globohomocorp, American nationalism is the only tool for the job.

    “American nationalism is the only tool for the job.”

    After about 25 years of experience in the modern anti-migration movement, we know what is at least somewhat successful in the West, and what is a tiny marginalized joke.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/04/06/trump-administration-nearly-doubles-h-b-guest-visa-program-which-brings-many-mexican-workers/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c5be35a14214
  83. @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    “the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior”

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    I'll say it for you Lot:

    NAJALT!
    , @Ron Unz

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?
     
    Sure, at least mostly correct. It's nice to see that you've been reading some of my American Pravda articles from the last year.

    But you forgot to mention the massively-documented Nazi-Zionist partnership of the 1930s that laid the basis for the creation of the State of Israel...

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/
    , @FLgeezer
    “Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler,
    and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?”

    Well, yes.
  84. @Lot
    “You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. ”

    I sense he’s a 9-11 truther/neo-nazi nut. Not worth my time.

    Do you engage with Maoists and young-earth creationists? If not, why not?

    “You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. ”

    I sense he’s a 9-11 truther/neo-nazi nut. Not worth my time.

    Sorry, I left out argumentum ad hominem of the stupidest sort.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “Sorry, I left out argumentum ad hominem.”

    I suppose you’re right that “This is too dumb to waste my time with” qualifies. But I noticed you avoided my question’showing you feel the same way about Maoist and YE creationists. And they have books! With footnotes! Written by professors!

  85. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    The main thrust of Jewish immigration to the USA occurred decades after the abolition of slavery – the period roughly from 1880 to 1920 – and concerned Ashkenazi from Poland, Ukraine etc.

    The slave trading era seems to have been a Sephardic thing, connected with Holland and England. Both nations received a Sephardic population in the 1600s very much engaged in mercantile trade.

  86. @Cagey Beast
    That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied [...]

    ... human nature and recorded history. Did the Jews make the Aztecs behave so horribly? Did the Jews make Plato and Confucius such elitists? The answer seems obvious to the reasonable man but not to many superstars of the alt-right*.

    I'm agreeing with you and just expanding on your point. The middlebrows in the dissident Right need to be challenged on this. Otherwise they'll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects. Of course they won't listen; that's the defining characteristic of being militantly stupid.

    * (Sven/Jesse of TDS is especially bad for this. In the April 3rd episode of their show, he essentially said he has to blame the Jews for everyone's human failings, otherwise his whole worldview would collapse).

    “Otherwise they’ll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects.”

    Already happening of course.

  87. Lot says:
    @ben tillman

    “You sense that he is right and that engaging the idea is therefore intellectually futile. ”

    I sense he’s a 9-11 truther/neo-nazi nut. Not worth my time.
     
    Sorry, I left out argumentum ad hominem of the stupidest sort.

    “Sorry, I left out argumentum ad hominem.”

    I suppose you’re right that “This is too dumb to waste my time with” qualifies. But I noticed you avoided my question’showing you feel the same way about Maoist and YE creationists. And they have books! With footnotes! Written by professors!

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I suppose you’re right that “This is too dumb to waste my time with” qualifies.
     
    Qualifies as what?

    But I noticed you avoided my question’showing you feel the same way about Maoist and YE creationists. And they have books! With footnotes! Written by professors!
     
    As for your stupid question, it is predicated on a notion that I should engage in ad-hominem argument, as you do. And, it should go without saying that I don't engage with ANYONE in that sense.

    Truth and falsity are independent of the source of the proposition in question.
  88. @Anonymous
    The trouble with this analogy is that the US political setup - at least since the time that John F Kennedy destroyed begun the destruction of the Republic - is, effectively, a zero sum game rather than an out-of-kilter disequilibrium.

    Basically, there is or was an immense store of wealth and power embodied in that pseudo legal entity 'white men'. It's a rich seam to be mined, meat on the hoof, to be got at a very little effort to the claimant except shouting, screaming and stamping feet - that 'tantrum' strategy has worked like a charm since the time of MLK.

    The Democrat Party has really transformed itself into the political wing of the toy-throwers, and all sorts of others, including, notably, white women, can see that toy tossing is the way to go - it gets results. Thus on one side you have white men - a designation which includes an awful lot of f*cking Economist whipped idiots, lefties and foot stamper sympathisers - and on the other side you've got everyone else - the vultures, hyeanas etc just drooling to feast on the carcass.

    This is why the American PC system is so invidious - the out group *ALL*benefit and benefit hugely from kicking down the beef cattle. Rational self interest - the biggest motivation going - in their part. Rationality also necessarily dictates unity in their part, and grim determination of purpose.

    This is why the American PC system is so invidious – the out group *ALL*benefit and benefit hugely from kicking down the beef cattle. Rational self interest – the biggest motivation going – in their part. Rationality also necessarily dictates unity in their part, and grim determination of purpose.

    Yes, this is the explanation for the voting patterns of Asians in this country. They may be net taxpayers, but they are voting to replace their negative dividends with a much more valuable stock of capital stolen from the natives.

  89. @Anonymous
    Universalism and egalitarianism carry with them the implication that if some people are worse off it's the fault of society. Not a huge leap to then suggest that society ought to do something to make them better off.

    Moralizing and self-flagellation have been cherished American pastimes since the Puritans. Why so many people enjoy listening to some pompous, overfed, essentially useless self-styled "authority" lecture them about how awful they are...I certainly don't get it, but it's not exactly a new or novel development.

    Moralizing and self-flagellation have been cherished American pastimes since the Puritans.

    To be fair to Anglo-Americans, the self-flagellating types seem very often to come from German or Scandinavian Christian traditions. So many of those folks immigrated to the US to get away from worldly entanglements, like military conscription. Guys like Sen. Ben Sasse come from a Christian tradition that makes little sense to me but obviously does to them.

  90. @Lot
    “the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior”

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?

    I’ll say it for you Lot:

    NAJALT!

  91. Kim Foxx suggests race behind criticism: ‘I have been asking myself … what is this really about’

    Of course it’s about race.

    Dumb Jussie Smollett thought he could get away with a hate-crime hoax because he is half black and there are plenty of blacks in the Chicago Justice System to cover for him!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    She really is a two-digiter.
  92. fnn says:

    Some notes from an interview with Greg Cochran:
    https://adarkwindhowls.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/conversation-with-a-scientist/

    – Jewish high iq probably also accidentally selected for ‘depression’ genes, anxiety, etc.

    – Jews were already leftwing, Moldbug is wrong (he really doesn’t like Moldbug!), look at role in Russian empire or Europe

    – Jews think of whites as their ‘ancient foe’ but don’t think that of Chinese

    – USS Liberty was absolutely a purposeful Israeli attack on US ship, only case he knows of repeated day-time ‘accidental’ attacks. Article in Chicago Tribune of retired army guys who saw classified info, and they said they heard transmissions from Israeli airforce being told to attack US ships. They wanted to kill everyone so there’d be no witnesses. Then later lied to say it was an ‘accident’ despite it happening over and over again. 6th Fleet was going to be scrambled, but McNamara ordered not to cuz LBJ ordered not to, because he didn’t want to piss off “the Jews”. What was the purpose of the attack on the Liberty? To pretend it was Egypt attacking and get US on Israel’s side. Likely some general didn’t realize in fog of war how easily Israel was winning and lost his nerve and ordered it, as well as good opportunity to cement American support and finish off residual “Arab” lobby in USG.

    – Nixon supporting Israel in ’73 was to get Jewish support for Cold War and tie their support to Vietnam war, etc. You don’t need all the Jews, but you need ‘some of them’.

    – White subordination to Jews, can change, it changed over past 100 years, it can change again. Israel will likely ‘push its luck’ and p.o. Trump, see below.

  93. @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    Using the gun issue that way isn’t going to get you anywhere. You’re being had.

    There are already a cornucopia of “sensible gun laws” on the books and often meticulously enforced. Being for “sensible gun laws” that are already on the books is just another proggish fashion statement that status conscious whites use to distinguish themselves from the deplorables.

  94. @Cagey Beast
    And minoritarianism having ushered in the age of mass immigration blacks no longer just get compared to whites–with the “oppressed” cover–but get compared to other non-white minorities–Asians [...]

    South Asians being the worst allies of minoritarianism, in my opinion. Nothing does a better job grinding off any of my residual liberalism than having a pushy and presumptuous South Asian telling Whitey how things are going to be. Desis really are unsurpassed in this.

    Agreed. The immigrant group I dislike the most are South Asians. Their arrogance, combined with incompetence and blindness, is simply too much.

    I actually used to like them. I only knew a few brown guys, who all seemed pretty white, and they were okay. But now we’re getting a massive flood of them and they’re showing their true colours.

    Just like blacks, it’s a strange mix of an inferiority complex against whites, combined with arrogance and a sense of infalliability. That’s why they love to lecture and lord over lower class whites, while sucking up pathetically to any upper class white.

    On the plus side, everybody hates them. They are wannabe Jews without the tact. Plus they are brown. They stand out. Nobody appreciates their arrogance.

  95. @Anonymous
    Universalism and egalitarianism carry with them the implication that if some people are worse off it's the fault of society. Not a huge leap to then suggest that society ought to do something to make them better off.

    Moralizing and self-flagellation have been cherished American pastimes since the Puritans. Why so many people enjoy listening to some pompous, overfed, essentially useless self-styled "authority" lecture them about how awful they are...I certainly don't get it, but it's not exactly a new or novel development.

    Universalism and egalitarianism carry with them the implication that if some people are worse off it’s the fault of society.

    First, no one said anything about egalitarianism. Second, universalism implies nothing of the sort.

  96. @TheBoom
    To what extent are whites rebelling from all this nonsense? Uni educated whites seem fully on board with it and most of the rest of white males really don't seem to care as long as they can own guns.

    None of this minoritarianism is likely to cause major conflict until the jews and their fringes go for the guns. Then things could get very vibrant

    Will they, though?

    How many white gun owners are just LARPing when they proudly proclaim, “from my cold dead hands”? Could owning guns just be a cope for white men? Gives them *something* they can say they’re doing for their race?

    In the Turner Diaries, the right wing gun owners put up the least resistance.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy

    How many white gun owners are just LARPing when they proudly proclaim, “from my cold dead hands”? Could owning guns just be a cope for white men? Gives them *something* they can say they’re doing for their race?
    In the Turner Diaries, the right wing gun owners put up the least resistance.
     
    The gun grab won't be an all-at-once thing. It'll be a bunch of little laws here and there beginning with mere inconveniences, and then escalating by singling out this guy or that guy for confiscation.

    I forget the exact context, but a fews years back Derb wrote about a reversal of a left/liberal initiative. He said something like, 'Good, it means they're still scared of us.' I thnk that's still true today, but it gets a little more iffy every year. When bombs are going off, troops are occupying towns and suchlike, it's easy I would imagine to say 'Screw it, everything's lost anyway' pick a gun and join a local militia. But when it's the guy down the street, it's also easy to think 'Well, maybe he was beating his wife like the cops are claiming. His kids are a bunch of hooligans, and I never liked him anyway.'
  97. @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Hear hear. It is a damned good thing that you exist at all. Thank you, and please keep up your good works.

  98. When your commenters make lunatic remarks, you’re not doing them any favors by telling them to keep it coming.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    When your commenters make lunatic remarks, you’re not doing them any favors by telling them to keep it coming.
     
    What you may or may not consider "lunatic" is hardly a guide to what is interesting or even true. You are a smug tedious, dull-minded hack. You seem to think that people come to this website to read what you have to say. They don't. You have a website - noticeably unvisited. That's pretty good indication of the intrisic worth of your opinions.
  99. @Buzz Mohawk

    Jewish – no quotes.

    Founding Stock – quotes.

    Got it.
     

    EXACTLY

    A very good point.

    Let's just call his slip "Freudian." LOL

    It’s not Freudian – it was intentional because WN’s take “Founding Stock” to mean purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant but America was always ethnically and religiously mixed. From the very first shot of the American Revolution, a black- Indian mulatto, Crispus Attucks, shows up and spoils the all white Minuteman fantasy.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. You deceive by oversimplifying. We do not mean "purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant" --- YOU DO.

    Your own line was not there, while mine was. Patriots listed in the 1790 Census. "Patriot" next to their names.

    Yours came later -- running sewing machines in Manhattan, or owning those sweatshops.

    Who cares?

    You can't win this, so give it up. You are here. You are a citizen. You are successful and comfortable in America. Is that not enough for you?!

    , @Desiderius
    Of course.

    If they actually want to win, we’re their only option. The Dork Right can continue to not matter.
    , @Mr. Anon

    From the very first shot of the American Revolution, a black- Indian mulatto, Crispus Attucks, shows up and spoils the all white Minuteman fantasy.
     
    Where did you learn that from? Schoolhouse Rock? Attucks was a hooligan, part of a mob that was shot down by some redcoats who were in fear for their lives. The very first shot of the Revolution was fired at Lexington. No black-indian mulattoes in attendence. None of your people either.
  100. @bomag

    Because it’s not our signature on the paycheck.
     
    LOL

    I'd say it's the obverse problem: We're signing the checks, but we have no say.

    No, the money that comes from most of us is withheld without a signature. The signatures that matter are those of the big donors and the Secretary of the Treasury whom they thereby select.

    • Replies: @bomag
    I'd say we are signing plenty of controlling documents, notably ballots and most financial transactions, like tax forms.

    The agents who are supposed to execute decisions on our behalf have been co-opted in the usual ways.
  101. @Jack D
    It's not Freudian - it was intentional because WN's take "Founding Stock" to mean purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant but America was always ethnically and religiously mixed. From the very first shot of the American Revolution, a black- Indian mulatto, Crispus Attucks, shows up and spoils the all white Minuteman fantasy.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. You deceive by oversimplifying. We do not mean “purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant” — YOU DO.

    Your own line was not there, while mine was. Patriots listed in the 1790 Census. “Patriot” next to their names.

    Yours came later — running sewing machines in Manhattan, or owning those sweatshops.

    Who cares?

    You can’t win this, so give it up. You are here. You are a citizen. You are successful and comfortable in America. Is that not enough for you?!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Does Kościuszko count?
  102. @Jack D
    It's not Freudian - it was intentional because WN's take "Founding Stock" to mean purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant but America was always ethnically and religiously mixed. From the very first shot of the American Revolution, a black- Indian mulatto, Crispus Attucks, shows up and spoils the all white Minuteman fantasy.

    Of course.

    If they actually want to win, we’re their only option. The Dork Right can continue to not matter.

  103. @Lot
    “Sorry, I left out argumentum ad hominem.”

    I suppose you’re right that “This is too dumb to waste my time with” qualifies. But I noticed you avoided my question’showing you feel the same way about Maoist and YE creationists. And they have books! With footnotes! Written by professors!

    I suppose you’re right that “This is too dumb to waste my time with” qualifies.

    Qualifies as what?

    But I noticed you avoided my question’showing you feel the same way about Maoist and YE creationists. And they have books! With footnotes! Written by professors!

    As for your stupid question, it is predicated on a notion that I should engage in ad-hominem argument, as you do. And, it should go without saying that I don’t engage with ANYONE in that sense.

    Truth and falsity are independent of the source of the proposition in question.

  104. @Buzz Mohawk
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. You deceive by oversimplifying. We do not mean "purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant" --- YOU DO.

    Your own line was not there, while mine was. Patriots listed in the 1790 Census. "Patriot" next to their names.

    Yours came later -- running sewing machines in Manhattan, or owning those sweatshops.

    Who cares?

    You can't win this, so give it up. You are here. You are a citizen. You are successful and comfortable in America. Is that not enough for you?!

    Does Kościuszko count?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Of course he counts. I doubt Jack is descended from him, though.

    Listen, there were Jews here in America at and before our revolution. That is not the question.

    My own grandfather was a Jew. He fought in WW1. The thing is, I never would have even known he was Jewish if nobody had told me. You see, he was an assimilated American, just as I am.

    I only have a problem with "Americans" in my country -- my grandfather's country -- who act, talk, and comment as if they aren't really assimilated.
  105. @Desiderius
    Does Kościuszko count?

    Of course he counts. I doubt Jack is descended from him, though.

    Listen, there were Jews here in America at and before our revolution. That is not the question.

    My own grandfather was a Jew. He fought in WW1. The thing is, I never would have even known he was Jewish if nobody had told me. You see, he was an assimilated American, just as I am.

    I only have a problem with “Americans” in my country — my grandfather’s country — who act, talk, and comment as if they aren’t really assimilated.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Then your problem (and mine, I’m 110% behind you on that one) is way bigger than the JQ.

    Most “Americans” under 35 weren’t assimilated into America, about half white.
  106. @Jack D
    It's not Freudian - it was intentional because WN's take "Founding Stock" to mean purely Anglo-Saxon Protestant but America was always ethnically and religiously mixed. From the very first shot of the American Revolution, a black- Indian mulatto, Crispus Attucks, shows up and spoils the all white Minuteman fantasy.

    From the very first shot of the American Revolution, a black- Indian mulatto, Crispus Attucks, shows up and spoils the all white Minuteman fantasy.

    Where did you learn that from? Schoolhouse Rock? Attucks was a hooligan, part of a mob that was shot down by some redcoats who were in fear for their lives. The very first shot of the Revolution was fired at Lexington. No black-indian mulattoes in attendence. None of your people either.

  107. @Cagey Beast
    That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied [...]

    ... human nature and recorded history. Did the Jews make the Aztecs behave so horribly? Did the Jews make Plato and Confucius such elitists? The answer seems obvious to the reasonable man but not to many superstars of the alt-right*.

    I'm agreeing with you and just expanding on your point. The middlebrows in the dissident Right need to be challenged on this. Otherwise they'll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects. Of course they won't listen; that's the defining characteristic of being militantly stupid.

    * (Sven/Jesse of TDS is especially bad for this. In the April 3rd episode of their show, he essentially said he has to blame the Jews for everyone's human failings, otherwise his whole worldview would collapse).

    The middlebrows in the dissident Right need to be challenged on this. Otherwise they’ll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects. Of course they won’t listen; that’s the defining characteristic of being militantly stupid.

    What’s your project?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Helping to drastically restrict immigration into Canada and reverse our descent into nothingness as a people. What's yours?
  108. @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Another blood libel. This seems to be a tendency. There is no “massive” evidence. The Jewish role was not “far greater” even if you hedge (and this is a big hedge) with “in relative terms”, because in relative terms the Jewish population of the old South was tiny and insignificant. In 1808 when importation of slaves from Africa ended, there were fewer that 2,500 Jews in the entire United States. If there were no Jews in America and no Jews in the slave trade, the history of slavery in the American South would have been almost exactly the same.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Another half truth. While Jews were involved in the early Bolshevik phase of Communism, they were anti-religious converts to the new religion of Marxism and did great damage to Jewish institutions and people. Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present. Look at Cambodia – the fact that Pol Pot was Cambodian didn’t keep him from oppressing his own people.

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the ’67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early ’50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Another half truth.
     
    In case you hadn't noticed, half is a pretty big fraction.
    , @BigDickNick
    "Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present."

    The first Politburo: Lenin(mixed), (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))), Stalin, (((Sokolnikov))) and Bubnov.

    That's a pretty big cohencidence!
    , @Neil Templeton

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the ’67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early ’50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.
     
    Was emigration to the United States for the excluded Jews part of a Cold War deal?
  109. @Art Deco
    When your commenters make lunatic remarks, you're not doing them any favors by telling them to keep it coming.

    When your commenters make lunatic remarks, you’re not doing them any favors by telling them to keep it coming.

    What you may or may not consider “lunatic” is hardly a guide to what is interesting or even true. You are a smug tedious, dull-minded hack. You seem to think that people come to this website to read what you have to say. They don’t. You have a website – noticeably unvisited. That’s pretty good indication of the intrisic worth of your opinions.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  110. @Jack D

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.
     
    Another blood libel. This seems to be a tendency. There is no "massive" evidence. The Jewish role was not "far greater" even if you hedge (and this is a big hedge) with "in relative terms", because in relative terms the Jewish population of the old South was tiny and insignificant. In 1808 when importation of slaves from Africa ended, there were fewer that 2,500 Jews in the entire United States. If there were no Jews in America and no Jews in the slave trade, the history of slavery in the American South would have been almost exactly the same.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.
     

    Another half truth. While Jews were involved in the early Bolshevik phase of Communism, they were anti-religious converts to the new religion of Marxism and did great damage to Jewish institutions and people. Nor was the Soviet leadership "overwhelmingly Jewish" although some Jews were present. Look at Cambodia - the fact that Pol Pot was Cambodian didn't keep him from oppressing his own people.

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the '67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early '50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.

    Another half truth.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, half is a pretty big fraction.

  111. @Lot
    “the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior”

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?

    Sure, at least mostly correct. It’s nice to see that you’ve been reading some of my American Pravda articles from the last year.

    But you forgot to mention the massively-documented Nazi-Zionist partnership of the 1930s that laid the basis for the creation of the State of Israel…

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

    • Replies: @Lot
    “the massively-documented Nazi-Zionist partnership”

    “Partnership” is a little strong, but whatever.

    “that laid the basis for the creation of the State of Israel”

    No, that was more of a UK/World Jewry operation, notwithstanding a little bit of unpleasant disagreement at the end.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s nice to see that you’ve been reading some of my American Pravda articles from the last year.
     
    https://media.giphy.com/media/l3V0wkQ2KKcAeW8Cs/giphy.gif
    , @Anon
    If the MSM covers up for Jews as you state , how do you explain the Israel Palestinians conflict in which 25,000 Palestinians have been killed over a 50 year period gets more MSM attention than the milllions killed in these ongoing occupations combined !!!

    Russian occupation of Chechnya,Kaliningrad,Crimea,Dagestan.
    Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang.
    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan.
    Indonesian occupation of West Papua
    Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara
    Nigerian occupation of Biafra
    Sudanese occupation of Darfur
  112. @Lot
    “American nationalism is the only tool for the job.”

    After about 25 years of experience in the modern anti-migration movement, we know what is at least somewhat successful in the West, and what is a tiny marginalized joke.

    https://thumbor.guiame.com.br/unsafe/840x500/right/smart/https://media.guiame.com.br/archives/2018/10/29/910846365-jair-bolsonaro-em-israel.jpg

    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/images/TrumpIsrael.jpg
  113. @Jack D
    I think there is such a thing as American nationalism, it's just not what WN's think it is. When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks, Latinos, Indians, Irish, Italians, etc. as well as "Founding Stock" Americans. They were all American nationalists who were literally willing to lay down their lives for America.

    When you go to the American cemetery in Normandy, there are Jewish stars (150) mixed in among the crosses and under some of those crosses are blacks (147), Latinos, Indians (feather, 20), Irish, Italians, etc. as well as “Founding Stock” Americans (9,071).

    And 4 women.

  114. @Buzz Mohawk
    Of course he counts. I doubt Jack is descended from him, though.

    Listen, there were Jews here in America at and before our revolution. That is not the question.

    My own grandfather was a Jew. He fought in WW1. The thing is, I never would have even known he was Jewish if nobody had told me. You see, he was an assimilated American, just as I am.

    I only have a problem with "Americans" in my country -- my grandfather's country -- who act, talk, and comment as if they aren't really assimilated.

    Then your problem (and mine, I’m 110% behind you on that one) is way bigger than the JQ.

    Most “Americans” under 35 weren’t assimilated into America, about half white.

  115. @Ron Unz

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?
     
    Sure, at least mostly correct. It's nice to see that you've been reading some of my American Pravda articles from the last year.

    But you forgot to mention the massively-documented Nazi-Zionist partnership of the 1930s that laid the basis for the creation of the State of Israel...

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

    “the massively-documented Nazi-Zionist partnership”

    “Partnership” is a little strong, but whatever.

    “that laid the basis for the creation of the State of Israel”

    No, that was more of a UK/World Jewry operation, notwithstanding a little bit of unpleasant disagreement at the end.

  116. @Ron Unz

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?
     
    Sure, at least mostly correct. It's nice to see that you've been reading some of my American Pravda articles from the last year.

    But you forgot to mention the massively-documented Nazi-Zionist partnership of the 1930s that laid the basis for the creation of the State of Israel...

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

    It’s nice to see that you’ve been reading some of my American Pravda articles from the last year.

  117. @Cagey Beast
    Jews are gonna Jew no matter what we do. If we can't police and/or inspire our own people, what good are we? If we can't apply carrot & stick social pressure on someone with a name like "Peggy McIntosh", then we've already lost.

    McIntosh isn’t our own people. Ask her.

    That’s why white nationalism in the American context is incoherent.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    It's not incoherent. It's just destined to fail -- like civic nationalism, citizenism, and anything else you can come up with.
    , @Cagey Beast
    She obviously a political enemy but, judging by her name, she does belong to the British Isles diaspora. You are right about Whiteness not being enough.
    , @Anonymous
    The idea that poor whites are some kind of privileged elite is so obviously false that only a fool could believe it. McIntosh is a low-watt bulb. In a healthy society she would be ignored. Instead she's showered with praise. How is this different to cheering an imbecile or drunkard as he self-harms?
  118. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    In any event, Jews are very often ethnomasochists, and those who aren’t, are correctly far more concerned with the anti-white left/Muslim alliance than the maybe 0.5% of the US population who hold classic right-antisemitic views.
     
    Lot, i respect your views, always read your comments, but this sure doesn't strike me as true. It maybe true in your family, but maybe they aren't representative? (You have a much bigger personal sample size than me--my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon--but that doesn't make it representative.)

    The median Jewish voter is a left-center Democrat.

    I see very little serious "ethnomasochism" from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be "proudly Jewish" or "proud of my Jewish roots", while denouncing whites, "white racism!", "white privilege." (They often allude to their minority heritage as formative.)

    The issue your assertion would logically show up on is mainstream Jewish support for Trump's tepid "muslim ban". (Or even an actual "muslim ban".) How's that look? What i saw were the usual screeds with the usual nonsense both legal and polemic, including the usual allusions to the holocaust.

    You may be right that the median American Jew--in the privacy of their home--sees the increasing muslim presence in America and thinks, "hmm, maybe this isn't the diversity we need?"

    However, the actual *work* of American Jews--opinion pieces, media reports, legal briefs, judicial opinions, teaching, academic papers, corporate diversity initatives, Hollyweird scripts--tilts very very strongly the other way: "Diversity is our strength", "white racism!", right to immigration, open borders, bad whitey!

    Rather than changed opinion, the striking thing most of us see about Jewish attitudes and behavior is that they've gotten considerable more unhinged and extreme in the last generation even as we are that much further removed from the Holocaust or the Golfocaust. Twenty five years ago the NYT would publish muddled and wrong, but at least measured, opinions about immigration. Now a generation latter, it's looney, emotional stuff all the time.

    Rather than seeing Jews do some logical reassessment--"ok, maybe we've got enough diversity now, the Nazis aren't going to be coming for us"--and ease up, we've seen Jews jamming the pedal to the metal. "We're going to fly this bitch right on into the ground if that's what it takes to jam diversity up their stale pale peasant asses!"

    “You have a much bigger personal sample size than me–my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon”

    I do not. All converted/admixed/assimilated by my generation. My first interaction with non—assimilated Jews was in college.

    “I see very little serious “ethnomasochism” from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be “proudly Jewish”

    Sure, but same thing for non-Jewish whites, who don’t direct their ire toward the Irish or Italians, but toward whites generally. Ted Kennedy was anti-white and proudly Irish. I suppose there is some specific anti-British/German left wing hate out there, but that seems pretty rare compared to non-specific anti-white politics.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Left-wing Jews aren’t proudly Jewish, they’re frantically Jewish lest they be mistaken for white.
  119. @Lot
    “the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior”

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?

    “Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler,
    and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?”

    Well, yes.

  120. The Jews really do get up in arms, eh? Impossible to have a discussion in which they are introspective. *Nothing* is our fault, they say. We, are the chosen people.

    Of course, it would also be wrong to blame Jews for *everything*, as some do. But Jews should also be aware of their roles in horrific atrocities and ideologies.

    Talk to an average WASP, he will say, no I don’t hate myself, but , we fucked up doing x,y,z. With a Jew it’s just deflect, deflect, deflect.

    Anyways, enjoy being run off the map once whites are a minority. It’ll be worse for you than for us. But at least you didn’t have to be introspective and honest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Anyways, enjoy being run off the map once whites are a minority. It’ll be worse for you than for us. But at least you didn’t have to be introspective and honest.
     
    People keep saying this but what evidence is there for it? History shows that Jews thrive in multicultural societies. However good things are now, they're only going to get better as America becomes more diverse.
  121. @Desiderius
    McIntosh isn’t our own people. Ask her.

    That’s why white nationalism in the American context is incoherent.

    It’s not incoherent. It’s just destined to fail — like civic nationalism, citizenism, and anything else you can come up with.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Israeli nationalism doesn’t look likely to fail soon. American nationalism likewise still strong among non-fuckups.
    , @anonymous
    Maybe I can't predict the future, but I can predict I will not be here for most of it, as long as the future keeps going on and on.


    But here is my best guess.

    My best guess is that in 50 years, the world will be full of passionate people living on reservations.

    On each of the reservations, just as today, some people will live well and other people will not live well.

    Governmental power will be impossible to track down; nobody will know where the real power is in order to criticize it.

    Conflict between the reservations will probably be managed just the way Woodrow Wilson, the great prophet of so much that has gone wrong in the last 100 years, would have predicted.

    50 years from now, the people who do not live well may be better looking (cheap plastic surgery, AI medicine) than the people who do not live well today (opioids and meth do a number even on women in their 30s who should still be atttractive, not to mention what happens to people who are addicted to modern food consumption styles - there are a lot more neckbeards out there than you would think), but they will still be indentured servants, at best. At best. Most likely they will mostly be like the punk fans of the 80s. Sort of fun, in their way, but ..... mostly people who act out anger in a silly way, and who cannot change the world for the better.

    This has nothing to do with whatever complicated Venn diagram overlap people might find between smart people, educated people, people with a desire for power, people with no future orientation, and any of the various ethnicities and theological tendencies (and addiction to stupidity and media) .

    And Silicon Valley -type people who believe they understand the role of Christianity and Judaism in the history of the world will, if they are the sort of people who do not understand the role of human virtue in history, be about as popular on their own reservation as those Indian (feather, not dot) folks who used to argue that opening casinos was debasing to their heritage.

    The semi-lunatics of semi-informed American Pravda may or may not have semi-lunatic semi-informed mirror images elsewhere, and vice versa, but the facts of history are real and the truth is great and will overcome.

    Magna est veritas et praevalebit, as real historians like to say.

  122. @Desiderius
    McIntosh isn’t our own people. Ask her.

    That’s why white nationalism in the American context is incoherent.

    She obviously a political enemy but, judging by her name, she does belong to the British Isles diaspora. You are right about Whiteness not being enough.

  123. @ben tillman
    It's not incoherent. It's just destined to fail -- like civic nationalism, citizenism, and anything else you can come up with.

    Israeli nationalism doesn’t look likely to fail soon. American nationalism likewise still strong among non-fuckups.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    Agree.
    We need to imitate Israeli nationalism and ignore the US Jews entirely as far as policy goes.

    Tough border control
    Immigration only of the traditional majority
    Defense of only the borders of the country and not any others - but a savage defense if necessary
    Trade policy to protect domestic industry
    Pro-natal policy of the traditional majority.

    I admire the Israelis. We need to do the same as they do - as we used to do - before it is too late.
  124. Excuse me, I should have said that white nationalism is destined to fail to protect the interests of white people in this country, just like civic nationalism, citizenism, American nationalism, and anything else you can come up with.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Excuse me, I should have said that white nationalism is destined to fail to protect the interests of white people in this country, just like civic nationalism, citizenism, American nationalism, and anything else you can come up with.
     
    What's left?
  125. @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Generally speaking, as the decades rolled on in the East Bloc, the oppression got heavier for the Jews as it got lighter for the majority populations. The Jews lost power in the Party while the Gentiles gained it at their expense. This trend came do a boil after the ’67 War. The anti-Zionist Purges* were highlighted by William Safire and Richard Nixon in the hopes that it would turn the New York intellectuals against the USSR.

    That being said, I think I’d rather be a Jewish bureaucrat whose career was stalled by anti-Semitism in the 1960s than a Russian gentleman shot in a cellar by the Cheka in the 1920s.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    As I mentioned: Stalin transformed the USSR from a rogue state wanting to throw the world into revolution into an atheistic, proletarian version of an old-style Muscovite imperium that, in terms of sheer power by the 1950s, would have grudgingly but deeply impressed any Tsar. It wasn't that Stalin (or his successors until Gorbachev) didn't believe in Communism's eventual global triumph or that he wasn't willing to embrace the USSR's often terroristic tactical methods in dealing with foreign nations (but then again, many of the KGB's tricks were just what the Ohkrana did, just with an additional sheen of malevolence due to the in-built paranoiac nature of the Bolshevik regime), but he was just a lot more... reality-acquainted with what motivated average Russians and how they ticked than the rest of the old Bolsheviks. Your average Russian remained socially conservative after the revolution, no matter how sick he was of the Tsarist regime or how eager he was to become a New Soviet Man. If he was going to get on board with the basics of the Communist program, then making peace with this reality seemed wise-and it was Stalin's own socially reactionary inclinations, anyway. Stalin himself was the son of liberated serfs and in many ways embodied the upwardly mobile demi-intellgentsia taking over the USSR. That's part of why he got a lot of support over Trotsky and Company.

    As a result, no matter how ruthless he was economically and politically, Stalin embraced throwback social traditionalism on a scale that would have absolutely stunned many Western lefties-and even allowed for a castrated version of the Orthodox Church, conveniently "managed" by the secret police, to make a comeback to boost Russian morale in WWII. The losers from this were naturally the Jewish intellectuals who disproportionately made up the revolutionary generation and who often fundamentally despised Russian culture and Russians. Even the non-Jewish ones like Lenin himself did-he openly thought of Russia as a backward, "Asiatic" nation that needed to be made more like Europe, particularly Germany, whose culture Lenin especially esteemed. The intellegentsia should never be confused with how average people feel.

    This wasn't unique to the Soviet Union, or even to Communism-this is the template that mass revolutions usually follow. Power isn't kept with the same men who win it, and ideologies come and go, national traits and cultures remain. As another example, East Germany was a rump Red neo-Prussia-culturally, economically, and militarily-by any standard. It was mechanical and rigorous to the point that it privately disturbed Russians stationed there. China, too, in a sense, can be seen as going back to its essentially counter-revolutionary, Confucian template in its dealings with the world in the 1970s. And Iran's dealings and aims with the world these days would not be foreign to a Shah of any stripe. Ideologies come and go: national cultural traits are less delible. And of course, across the Warsaw Pact, there was no need to mass purge the Jews after WWII, as the Nazis had already killed most of them: and Israel attracted away a lot of what remained. Those that remained were politically painless to sacrifice.

    (Didn't stop many Poles from discreetly cheering on "our Jews" in 1967 against Soviet-armed and supported Arabs. Whatever they felt about Jews paled in comparison to how they felt-and still feel-about the Russians.)

    >The anti-Zionist Purges* were highlighted by William Safire and Richard Nixon in the hopes that it would turn the New York intellectuals against the USSR.

    It worked right at the same time that detente began to bear fruit. Life's funny that way. Combine the newly found interest in fighting the USSR on moralistic grounds on the left with the post-Vietnam revival of moralistic hawkishness on the hard-right, and Watergate allowed for them in a reaction against Nixon/Kissinger Realpolitik.

  126. @Lot
    “You have a much bigger personal sample size than me–my lone fully Jewish family member is an SJW loon”

    I do not. All converted/admixed/assimilated by my generation. My first interaction with non—assimilated Jews was in college.

    “I see very little serious “ethnomasochism” from most Jews. Most left wing Jews are able to be “proudly Jewish”

    Sure, but same thing for non-Jewish whites, who don’t direct their ire toward the Irish or Italians, but toward whites generally. Ted Kennedy was anti-white and proudly Irish. I suppose there is some specific anti-British/German left wing hate out there, but that seems pretty rare compared to non-specific anti-white politics.

    Left-wing Jews aren’t proudly Jewish, they’re frantically Jewish lest they be mistaken for white.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Left-wing Jews aren’t proudly Jewish, they’re frantically Jewish...
     
    Except for the part about believing in God.
    , @Cagey Beast
    The Majority Report with Sam Seder is the state of the art when it comes to secular, lefty Jewish-Americans. YouTube allows us a homeopathic dose of their worldview.

    I LOL'd to both of these:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwQ7og7cUgo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAgls4NOx2s

  127. @ben tillman
    Excuse me, I should have said that white nationalism is destined to fail to protect the interests of white people in this country, just like civic nationalism, citizenism, American nationalism, and anything else you can come up with.

    Excuse me, I should have said that white nationalism is destined to fail to protect the interests of white people in this country, just like civic nationalism, citizenism, American nationalism, and anything else you can come up with.

    What’s left?

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    What’s left?
     
    Capitalizing on a monumental blunder. Or somehow pulling just enough of our people through the collapse and aftermath to come out on the other side with the technology and access to fuel and metals that we need to recreate our technological base. Post-Rome history tells us what will happen, but it doesn't tell us who will be doing it and whether we can succeed in being part of the surviving overclass or in preserving our technological knowledge.
  128. @Desiderius
    Left-wing Jews aren’t proudly Jewish, they’re frantically Jewish lest they be mistaken for white.

    Left-wing Jews aren’t proudly Jewish, they’re frantically Jewish…

    Except for the part about believing in God.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • LOL: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Who knows, once they’ve tried everything else they might be left with no choice. You know what they say about foxholes.
  129. @Reg Cæsar

    Left-wing Jews aren’t proudly Jewish, they’re frantically Jewish...
     
    Except for the part about believing in God.

    Who knows, once they’ve tried everything else they might be left with no choice. You know what they say about foxholes.

  130. anon[466] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Used my Agree button up already, but I agree. The anti-Semites of unz (and elsewhere) always see the Joos in the minoritarian project, and they are in fact there (or at least people of (sometimes partial) Jewish descent - like Bolsheviks, by definition these folks are not practicing Jews anymore but are practicing some kind of new secular religion), but they are not the only ones there, by far.

    The other big anti-Semite accusation is that Jews will never call out other Jews or Israel. First of all this is just not true - Jews have been disagreeing with each other since Cain and Abel. Netanyahu and the Israeli right (who after all run Israel) are persona non-grata among the Jewish left. Second, other groups (e.g. Irish, blacks, Muslims, etc.) also tend to go easy on their co-ethnics although perhaps not deracinated generic whites. 3rd this kind of shit-testing is a bad idea for a political movement. The motto of the Dems is "no enemies on the Left". If someone agrees with you on some issues, you should want them inside your tent hurling rocks at your mutual enemies and not outside hurling rocks at you, but the natural tendency of rightist seems to be purity testing - no one is pure enough to join their movement - not only Jews but even Trump gets denounced because he is not down with the cause sufficiently. And, as someone pointed out, to the extent you want right thinking Jews to exert their influence on other Jews, insisting that they denounce Jewish interests is only going to get them de-platformed - how does that help? This is the kind of thinking that reduced the American right to 5 guys at at KKK meeting, 3 of whom are Federal agents or informers trying to entrap each other. But the remaining 2 guys are really pure Aryans.

    We should be able to talk about and criticize Jewish political interests and Jewish political culture in America without being accused of anti-Semitism. It is no different than people talking about “the South” being more conservative or religious or martial than other parts of the country. It is no different than people in the pre-civil war era talking about “the slave power”.
    “The South” and “the slave power” aren’t intended to be all-encompassing character definitions of every person living there. There was plenty of disagreement in the ranks in the South. And the boundaries of the South might or might not include border state areas. And the South still had many things in common with the North. And North/South was an over-simplistic cultural/political division. Etc., etc.
    BUT, when you get down to it, there was enough common political and economic interest and culture in the south, and it was different enough from the north, to get us into a civil war.
    Jews do have identifiable political organizations, such as ADL and AIPAC. There is a strong core of Jewish political leaders who identify with Israel far more than the Boston Irish identified with the IRA.
    I feel perfectly free to identify and criticize the “Jewish power” no differently than I would identify and criticize “the slave power”.

  131. I had a well-received similar observation, but not phrased as elegantly as AnotherDad’s. The model is Harvey Weinsten responding to sexual assault conplaints by babbling about eliminating the Second Amendment. Geniuses can’t be called stupid, but they do get tunnel vision, and their superior reasoning can be debased to justifying ideas that are fundamentally bad. It’s a million little silly putty lumps on a cruise liner hull. The whole thing could be avoided without acrimony if they could just take a step back and see clearly, but that would require them to doubt themselves.

  132. @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    Thank you Ron for this site, and in particular for your support of Steve.

    attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    I’d be interested in knowing more about this – my understanding is that Jewish activists were heavily involved in promoting King and the movement for racial integration in general.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    I’d be interested in knowing more about this – my understanding is that Jewish activists were heavily involved in promoting King and the movement for racial integration in general.
     
    Sure. I'm no expert on King, but my strong impression is that most of his key advisors were Jewish Communists. But as King became more and more influential, the ADL became deeply suspicious of him, presumably leading to the spying operation.

    Here's a long article I wrote last year on this and various related subjects:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/
  133. @Desiderius
    Left-wing Jews aren’t proudly Jewish, they’re frantically Jewish lest they be mistaken for white.

    The Majority Report with Sam Seder is the state of the art when it comes to secular, lefty Jewish-Americans. YouTube allows us a homeopathic dose of their worldview.

    I LOL’d to both of these:

  134. the koreans spent 2000 years resisting being assimilated by the chinese. over time, they become more and more korean. more insular, more ingroup oriented, more hostile to outsiders, more and more cliquish until they became the way they are today. if they don’t become like this, they cease to exist. they are absorbed by the chinese.

    again, this is basic harpending cochran stuff. how do living things survive. some of them are outnumbered and must occupy a biological niche to continue to exist and survive. over time, the peripheral humans in the group boil off, and the core of the group becomes even more like the core group.

    animal life and the breeder’s equation explain this well. generation by generation, through selection, you can make one particular breed of animal much more (whatever trait you want) than the ancestors.

    the koreans become more korean. the amish become more amish. the mormons become more mormon.

    what other group has spent the last 3000 years being a completely outnumbered minority, always surrounded by other groups? that’s right.

    and how do they continue to exist? how do they survive, and not get absorbed into the larger group?

    exactly.

    first they had to occupy a biological niche. in human societies, this is always an economic niche.

    and over time, become more and more hostile to outgroups. humans in the group who weren’t, boiled off, and were absorbed. humans who were, reproduced, and passed on that trait. and, over time, they became more and more reflexively hostile to the majority group. otherwise, they would have ceased to exist long ago.

    AnotherDad is overthinking it. a leopard never changes its spots.

    most jews just hate europeans and want to eliminate them. it’s that simple. they don’t stop, they don’t quit. because that’s who they are. that’s the ONLY way they still exist in 2020. by hating europeans. otherwise they would have vanished a thousand years ago.

    this how somebody like rachel maddow is the way she is. she is not very jewish, yet she automatically, reflexively hates europeans, european nations, and european culture. that trait breeds true. it is strong, and is passed directly from one generation to the next.

    if you think selection can’t operate on a trait or behavior like that, well, you’re just wrong.

  135. Plenty of us have wondered, “why don’t they just ease up a bit?” Or “does it really benefit them to turn us into Brazil?”

    Brazil is monolingual. How is anyone going to turn America into that?

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Reg, you are way too sanguine about Brazil's coherence.

    I am a huge fan of Bolsanora but not of his two predecessors, and not just because they were mass scale crooks. Rousseff was also red diaper baby who belonged to a pro-Castro, Marxist, terrorist group in the 60s. She was, roughly, the Brazilian counterpart to Angela Davis.

    Yes, Brazil is monolingual but so was the US until 50 years ago. Brazil just wasn't successful enough to attract large numbers of Spanish speakers from the countries on its borders.
  136. @Joe Magarac
    "Evey single time" is true enough, but the problem with this sort of speculation is the implicit assumption that Jews in general are consciously and deliberately taking marching orders from Jewish elites.

    The white genocide aspect of the program applies as much to ordinary Jews as it does to White Gentiles. They are apt to go along with it, but so are way too many White Gentiles.

    What the Jewish elites don't appreciate is it will ultimately mean them too, and never mind whether {{{ fellow whites }}} are "really" White.

    To the African American undertow, Jews are extra White. To say nothing of the Muhammadan attitude.

    The Jewish elites sent their black storm troopers to destroy wonderful big city Jewish neighborhoods as well as goyim neighborhoods. That’s very true.

    But it’s obvious that Jewish elites have seen to it that their fellow Jews weren’t destroyed by affirmative action the way the White goyim have.

    The pro affirmative action law suits and enforcement were heavily, heavily Jewish. And they succeeded in railroading the White goyim out of government work education medicine and numerous other high skill jobs through vicious enforcement of affirmative action and importation of non Whites for skilled jobs.

    So here’s my theory. Polish territories in 1850, Jew heaven for hundreds of years. The Jews ran the country exploiting the goyishe kopfs. They had no competition from the downtrodden serfs they rule

    1880. 1925 The Polish Jews left Poland and swarmed to the United States. To their great surprise and horror they discovered a country run by the goyishe kopf subhuman unclean dumb dumbs

    These strange goyim were just as intelligent and knew even more lucrative well paid skills that the oh so superior polish Jews.

    What to do what to do!!!!!! We oh so superior Jews have landed in a country where we might have to compete!!!!

    The polish immigrant Jews founded the communist party in 1919 but it wasn’t very successful. 30 years later the dumb goyim were still strong competitors and had not yet been destroyed.

    What to do?? What to do?!!

    So the Jews of NAACP ADL AJC ACLU came up with a great idea

    Remember back when we ran Poland and we convinced the Kibg and nobility to make it illegal for the goyishe kopf ordinary Pole to work at most occupations?

    Let’s do that in America!!!! We’ll call it affirmative action. We don’t want black Drs engineered and business executives though. What to do?????
    Well just import Asians and Indians for those jobs. While we’re at it, we’’ll Invent a whole nother race to take over White occupations, Hispanics

    That’s how the Polish Jews did it folks in less than 100 years.

  137. @Desiderius
    The nationalist movement is about actual nations: Brazil, Hungary, America, Poland, Italy, Japan, the UK, and yes Israel. It’s not about imaginary bullshit like civic nationalism or white nationalism.

    Huh? If you’re against both racial/ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism, what else is there? What exactly does “American nationalism” mean to you? Also LOL at claiming Brazil is a “real nation”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Also LOL at claiming Brazil is a “real nation”.
     
    Brazil may be wobbly, "the nation of the future-- forever". But Brazil is nevertheless a lot more coherent than the US. They've never had a civil war.

    They're not tearing down their monuments. When Brazilians protest, they do so in the same language as their targets.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-jgT70VoAQaBp7.jpg

    , @Desiderius
    The United States of America. The country of my birth, chosen by my ancestors, built and defended by their children.

    The real world. Facts. Reality. The concrete.

    Get out of your abstract fantasy lands and live.
  138. anonymous[479] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    It's not incoherent. It's just destined to fail -- like civic nationalism, citizenism, and anything else you can come up with.

    Maybe I can’t predict the future, but I can predict I will not be here for most of it, as long as the future keeps going on and on.

    But here is my best guess.

    My best guess is that in 50 years, the world will be full of passionate people living on reservations.

    On each of the reservations, just as today, some people will live well and other people will not live well.

    Governmental power will be impossible to track down; nobody will know where the real power is in order to criticize it.

    Conflict between the reservations will probably be managed just the way Woodrow Wilson, the great prophet of so much that has gone wrong in the last 100 years, would have predicted.

    50 years from now, the people who do not live well may be better looking (cheap plastic surgery, AI medicine) than the people who do not live well today (opioids and meth do a number even on women in their 30s who should still be atttractive, not to mention what happens to people who are addicted to modern food consumption styles – there are a lot more neckbeards out there than you would think), but they will still be indentured servants, at best. At best. Most likely they will mostly be like the punk fans of the 80s. Sort of fun, in their way, but ….. mostly people who act out anger in a silly way, and who cannot change the world for the better.

    This has nothing to do with whatever complicated Venn diagram overlap people might find between smart people, educated people, people with a desire for power, people with no future orientation, and any of the various ethnicities and theological tendencies (and addiction to stupidity and media) .

    And Silicon Valley -type people who believe they understand the role of Christianity and Judaism in the history of the world will, if they are the sort of people who do not understand the role of human virtue in history, be about as popular on their own reservation as those Indian (feather, not dot) folks who used to argue that opening casinos was debasing to their heritage.

    The semi-lunatics of semi-informed American Pravda may or may not have semi-lunatic semi-informed mirror images elsewhere, and vice versa, but the facts of history are real and the truth is great and will overcome.

    Magna est veritas et praevalebit, as real historians like to say.

  139. @Tono Bungay
    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews. But few are the Jews willing to acknowledge that their insisting that all the fault is on the side of the gentiles is tantamount to the same sort of categorical condemnation that they want to combat as antisemitism.

    I realize that it’s difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I’m almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh….

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like “white privilege”, “white fragility”, “toxic masculinity”, obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that’s wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews – who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white – get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn’t matter if they’ve lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they’re still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they’re not “willing to engage” with those people specifically. Why would they? It’s no different from choosing, as a white man, to “engage” with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don’t engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That’s a waste of time.

    If you’re Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what’s usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren’t that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that’s what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don’t actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I’m sure more of them will volunteer.

    • Agree: Lot, Desiderius
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    What does "treat you like a human being mean"? Does it mean losing your job and all your friends because activists targeted you as an evil Nazi? That sort of human?
    , @Neil Templeton
    Maybe we need a few beer summits.
    , @AndrewR
    It's hard to take you seriously when you put Taylor, who is extremely philo-Hebraic, in the same category as Spencer, who has never shied away from very un-PC takes on the JQ (which is not the same as saying he wouldn't engage civilly with individual Jews).

    As for KMac and Anglin, I've seen no evidence they won't engage civilly with Jews. I'm sure they'd treat you better than a mainstream SJW would treat the average self-respecting white dude.

    I'm realistic about population averages, but I also prefer to treat individuals as individuals when possible.
    , @ben tillman

    I realize that it’s difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I’m almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh….
     
    How do you not grasp that Kevin MacDonald has spent more time treating Jews as human beings than 99% of non-Jewish Americans have?
    , @ben tillman

    And you are asking why they’re not “willing to engage” with those people specifically. Why would they? It’s no different from choosing, as a white man, to “engage” with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don’t engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That’s a waste of time.
     
    It seems they would be the most important people to engage with.
    , @ben tillman

    Well, right-wing Jews – who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white – get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn’t matter if they’ve lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they’re still enemies of the west.
     
    If you don't identify as a Jew, you're not a Jew.
    , @ben tillman

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don’t actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument.
     
    It's interesting then that so few Jews ever test your hypothesis.
    , @Anonymous
    K-Mac's pretty solid on the circular-reasoning game. The retort to any 1/32nd Jew's objection/observation/whatever can always be approximated as "Well, you *would* say that, wouldn't you"
    , @Ron Unz

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh….
     
    Well, I don't know that Anglin fellow, but I've gotten reasonably friendly with Kevin MacDonald over the last couple of years or so, and he seems like a pretty typical quiet academic type. I do get the sense he's sometimes very nervous about some of the really "touchy" subjects I've regularly covered, but I guess I can't blame him.

    Personally, I think his WN views are kind of ridiculous, but lots of academics believe in all sorts of silly things.
  140. @Anon
    The racism and anti semitism here is appalling

    If you guys wonder why Men of Color are desired by white girls then that is why

    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    Don’t be a wimp.

  141. Its not an airplane, Steve.

    Its a bicycle.

    The only way it doesn’t fall over is if it never stops moving.

    Jews have their hands on the handle bars, but the “coalition of the fringes” are the ones moving the pedals. The more agitated they are, the harder they pump their legs, the faster the bike moves, and the more stable it becomes.

    The only tricky thing, thought, is how to safely get off before you run out of road?

    • Replies: @Sam Malone

    Its not an airplane, Steve.

    Its a bicycle.

    The only way it doesn’t fall over is if it never stops moving.

    Jews have their hands on the handle bars, but the “coalition of the fringes” are the ones moving the pedals. The more agitated they are, the harder they pump their legs, the faster the bike moves, and the more stable it becomes.
     

    And the easier it is to run down your enemies standing on the sidewalk minding their own business. Good analogy.
  142. • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    I'm pretty sure she's crazy.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    She could almost pass for Lydia Brimelow.

    And "Destiny Guns" is one helluvan A/K/A.
  143. @Jack D

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.
     
    Another blood libel. This seems to be a tendency. There is no "massive" evidence. The Jewish role was not "far greater" even if you hedge (and this is a big hedge) with "in relative terms", because in relative terms the Jewish population of the old South was tiny and insignificant. In 1808 when importation of slaves from Africa ended, there were fewer that 2,500 Jews in the entire United States. If there were no Jews in America and no Jews in the slave trade, the history of slavery in the American South would have been almost exactly the same.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.
     

    Another half truth. While Jews were involved in the early Bolshevik phase of Communism, they were anti-religious converts to the new religion of Marxism and did great damage to Jewish institutions and people. Nor was the Soviet leadership "overwhelmingly Jewish" although some Jews were present. Look at Cambodia - the fact that Pol Pot was Cambodian didn't keep him from oppressing his own people.

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the '67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early '50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.

    “Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present.”

    The first Politburo: Lenin(mixed), (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))), Stalin, (((Sokolnikov))) and Bubnov.

    That’s a pretty big cohencidence!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))),(((Sokolnikov)))

    Purge, purged, purged and purged. All four murdered by Stalin. Doesn't seem like Jews were doing that well in Stalinist Russia by the mid-30s. If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn't last very long.
    , @Ron Unz

    “Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present.”
     
    Actually, there seems absolutely enormous evidence that the early leadership of the Bolsheviks was overwhelmingly Jewish, perhaps 80-85% Jewish in a country that was just 4% Jewish. Being over-represented by 10,000% seems pretty notable to me.

    Roughly the same degree of over-representation was true with regards to the American Communists, the German Communists, the Hungarian Communists and many of the others. Just because the MSM and academics try to cover something up doesn't change the reality.

    I discussed some of these issues at considerable length in a long article last year:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/
    , @Logan
    A couple of years ago I saw these back and forths about how the Bolshies were or were not dominated by Jews.

    Being naive, I thought the logical thing to do was to actually find out the facts and see if the claim was true.

    I researched it, and discovered that for such a hotly debated topic, it is astonishingly difficult to find quantification.

    So I started posting at various sites to see if anybody else could help me determine the actual facts of the case. I having zero predetermines on the issue.

    Oh, boy.

    Denunciations of me flew fast and furious for simply asking for data. Apparently one is supposed to simply accept the consensus that Jews were not over-represented among Bolshies without trying to prove or disprove it.

    When people appear to be so desperate to prevent thorough examination of an issue, it leads a logical person to suspect they're afraid of what might be found. As when progressives assert with authority that there are no inherent average intellectual differences between ethnies, but go into hysterics when someone proposes a study to prove this hypothesis.

    , @inertial
    Using the 1917 Politburo as a stand-in for "Soviet leadership" is anachronism. Politburo became a governing later under Stalin because Stalin amassed his power through the Party apparatus.

    The real Soviet leadership was the Soviet government, the Sovnarkom. The first Sovnarkom had 17 members one of whom was a Jew (Leon Trotsky, who was in charge of the foreign affairs.)

    Another super important organ in the early Soviet Russia was the Revolutionary Military Council, the Revvoensovet. Trotsky (again) was its chairman. Eyeballing the list of the members, about a handful appear to have been Jews ( out of 60+.)

    (PS. Kamenev was only half Jewish.)
  144. Presumably then, Louis Farrakhan is serving a life sentence somewhere.

    Or, at least, lives in fear of criminal prosecution.

    Just kidding, of course.

  145. @Jon
    Boycott, Divest, Sanction. It may not have much of an overall positive effect, bit it sure makes a guy feel good.

    I think, Mister Jon, that you’re confusing the Joooos with the Israelis. A common error; irrespective of whether one thinks the Israelis are OK and the Diaspora Joooos are not, or vice versa.

    Also, as was posted several times over on Chateau Heartiste —a notoriously Joooo-unfriendly site— married men who self-identified as “Jewish” voted for Orange Man Bad almost 2:1. And I doubt whether very many of them/us who did so in 2016 would be disinclined to do so again in 2020.

    With Jewish women, married or single, it’s another story altogether… which is indicative, maybe, of why so many Jewish men who would prefer to keep the whole 3,000 year thing going for a while longer, marry the shicksas with some degree of regret: even where it worked out well over time.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I think black people.have a similar dynamic, though the fantasy Randism of the GOP (Trump: "Rising wages? Must double H2-B visas!") puts hard limits on this. The working and underclass men get the double whammy from the administrative state, treated as animals by the justice system and the family courts alike. You have to feel from them here: what is the incentive to work hard when at any moment, some harridan can claim you are the baby-daddy-whether you've even seen the woman before is irrelevant-and claim over half your check? Not to mention the fact that your job can be outsourced to a Salvadoran debt peon at any moment, or being locked into a life of crime for petty dope dealing. Its an advance version of what is now happening in WWC communities.

    Absent their women, I could see them going rogue for an insurgent candidate who promises the right things, like say a monopoly over a legalized drug trade, bombarding hard the economic immigration angle, and a promise to squeeze the oligarchs hard, and presents the right attitude, i.e unapologetic masculinity and unsentimental willingness to state the obvious. "I'm not your brother, and I won't insult your intelligence by pretending to be. But I'll be straight with you in contrast to all those liberal and TrueCon smiling simps and offer you better stuff." People respect an honest, strong person from a rival faction better than a simpering turncoat. Mugabe's quote about white liberals here is demonstrative. Working class blacks dudes are not affluent white liberals. Exploit that.


    Worth also mentioning that black men with options have been disproportionately marrying out for some time, much to the outrage of their women.

    , @TheBoom
    Jewish women are the biggest threats to the US and white interests. Interesting to see that the split among jews between men and women is starting to mirror the split among whites. Almost half of gen Z Jewish males support Trump while the young women and girls overwhelming see him as orange man bad.

    Now the high IQ Asian women are starting to copy the Jewish women because they see that is how the game is played.

    But as long as almost all the media is in the hands of leftist and neocon jews, it doesn't matter that many Jewish men are starting to see the light.

    Side note: Little Benji Shapiro and the rest of the Jewish controlled opposition are being used to keep Jewish males, as well as whites, on the reservation.
  146. Reading the post I thought it was more about Whites practicing CrimeStop than it was about Jews.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime#Crimestop

    Combine Crimestop with Steve’s Sapir-Whorf stuff and the population is zombified, but they are always on the edge of recognition so those who benefit from it have intense paranoia because it could melt away in a minute.

    I suppose the best counter to this would be mockery and jokes, but something tells me many of these people are zombies for life. Perhaps if you can impress on the young that they should not put themselves in a mental prison they can resist zombification.

  147. @Jack D

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.
     
    Another blood libel. This seems to be a tendency. There is no "massive" evidence. The Jewish role was not "far greater" even if you hedge (and this is a big hedge) with "in relative terms", because in relative terms the Jewish population of the old South was tiny and insignificant. In 1808 when importation of slaves from Africa ended, there were fewer that 2,500 Jews in the entire United States. If there were no Jews in America and no Jews in the slave trade, the history of slavery in the American South would have been almost exactly the same.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.
     

    Another half truth. While Jews were involved in the early Bolshevik phase of Communism, they were anti-religious converts to the new religion of Marxism and did great damage to Jewish institutions and people. Nor was the Soviet leadership "overwhelmingly Jewish" although some Jews were present. Look at Cambodia - the fact that Pol Pot was Cambodian didn't keep him from oppressing his own people.

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the '67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early '50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the ’67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early ’50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.

    Was emigration to the United States for the excluded Jews part of a Cold War deal?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    No. In fact emigration was supposed to be for "family reunification" purposes and ostensibly most Soviet Jews were supposed to move to Israel.
  148. @Anon
    The racism and anti semitism here is appalling

    If you guys wonder why Men of Color are desired by white girls then that is why

    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    Okay Tiny Dick Duck… we know you’ve got sock puppets, stop posting already.

    So (((paranoid)))…

  149. @Lot
    Is this green-eyed jailbreaking woman part Asian?

    I think she is, but not sure.

    https://media.nbclosangeles.com/images/1940*1092/santee+escape+inmate+destiny+0406.jpg

    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/california/Law-Enforcement-Loses-Trail-Reopens-Roads-After-Inmate-Escapes-Santee-Detention-Facility-508228101.html

    I’m pretty sure she’s crazy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Crazy Fugitive Half-Asians" = am allow w/ script authority
  150. @Desiderius
    Israeli nationalism doesn’t look likely to fail soon. American nationalism likewise still strong among non-fuckups.

    Agree.
    We need to imitate Israeli nationalism and ignore the US Jews entirely as far as policy goes.

    Tough border control
    Immigration only of the traditional majority
    Defense of only the borders of the country and not any others – but a savage defense if necessary
    Trade policy to protect domestic industry
    Pro-natal policy of the traditional majority.

    I admire the Israelis. We need to do the same as they do – as we used to do – before it is too late.

  151. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    What does “treat you like a human being mean”? Does it mean losing your job and all your friends because activists targeted you as an evil Nazi? That sort of human?

  152. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    Maybe we need a few beer summits.

  153. @Pericles

    The middlebrows in the dissident Right need to be challenged on this. Otherwise they’ll drag down our already fragile and demonized projects. Of course they won’t listen; that’s the defining characteristic of being militantly stupid.

     

    What's your project?

    Helping to drastically restrict immigration into Canada and reverse our descent into nothingness as a people. What’s yours?

  154. @SFG
    All IMHO of course, but:

    Who would dare?

    You'd be unpersoned just like any other un-PC right wing journalist, and you wouldn't have the support networks other dissident-right figures would have.

    There was a fellow, Joshua Seidel, who actually wrote a defense of the alt-right in the Forward, saying basically what AnotherDad said: you're going to throw whites out of power, and the POC will turn on you. Unfortunately he tried to claim he was actually on it, and got several hundred comments saying things like 'go kill yourself' or 'we would kill you' or (more charitably) go to Israel. A few were sympathetic, but nobody's heard much from him since.

    There are dudes like Frame Game Radio, but they remain anonymous.

    For what it's worth David Frum, despite his other sins in the Iraq War, has been writing cases for immigration restriction from the Atlantic (of all places), Yoram Hazony defended the right to Anglo-American nationalism, Eric Kaufman has a new book (which Steve really ought to review) arguing that some degree of white ID politics are expected and legitimate. Breitbart and the Drudge Report did a lot to help elect DJT, and have not been huge advocates of unrestricted immigration, to say the least. (They're pro-Israel, but then I wouldn't expect Bill O'Reilly to complain about the IRA.)

    (None of this is to deny neocon immigration love, of course, but their major contribution seems instead to have been in foreign policy, specifically the greatest foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.)

    They haven't really *called out their relatives as such*, true. But if they did, they'd just wind up jobless, and the actual Nazis would keep sending them death threats, because while POC hustlers are willing to keep a few pet white 'allies' around for useful idiots, to the Andrew Anglin types every person of Jewish ancestry belongs in an oven or in a bog.

    So the Stephen Miller types vote Republican, argue for the traditional West where they can, and keep their mouths shut about their relatives.

    Frame Game Radio

    Frame Game has been MIA for several months now. Which I don’t blame him for, because if he was who he said he was, he was basically walking around with a sign on his back saying “please dox me.”

    There are a lot of Jewish guys of his age and in his profession living in that borough, but not that many. It only takes one acquaintance recognizing your voice and you’re potentially screwed. You can’t be an alt-right adjacent race realist in his line of work.

  155. @Steve Richter
    very clever. fun read. I think there is another big trend at play. The fact that fewer people identify with and care about the nation. Do the Hispanics or Asians seen on cable news care at all about American heroics in WWII or the settling of the West? Blacks are being pushed out of NYC by the hoards of immigrants. Who will identify with or care about Black slum towns?

    At some point soon China will see that its homogeneous population is the only one that can be rallied to support national conquest and domination. If China sinks a US carrier would the new American coalition rally to defend its honor?

    Since when did the military care about what the public thinks? Are you too young to remember 2003?

  156. @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox

    )

    Yet 3,000 years later the Jews are still with us, controlling our media andcsending $38 billion of our tax dollars to Israel.

    But yeah, I’m sure by marrying outgoups they’ll dissipate any day now.

    /sarcasm

    Come on. Your comment is a trope red herring. Nice try tho.

  157. @Buzz Mohawk
    Ha ha ha. Yes, indeed that would be England and any other country. The thing is, I'm not aware of very many Englishmen in my country who have divided loyalty. I know a few, and they are very blasé about this.

    They never surface here on the intardnets either. Maybe because there is a real familial connection between our countries and people, whereas with others... well... LOL

    Gee you raised the now-getting-old WASP trope. (Actually the correct word is "canard," but I will humor your tribe's insertion of the new term into our current public discourse.)

    England has often been pretty shitty. I’m thinking especially of their efforts to draw us into their wars, and the (former) propensity of their ruling class to view American men as their reserve army. And it isn’t merely America they’ve abused in this way. They often acted disgracefully towards their own colonies and even their own people.

    But they are nowadays nothing like the albatross that our best little buddy in the Mideast has become.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    They often acted disgracefully towards their own colonies and even their own people.
     
    They're notoriously nicer to their dogs than to their children.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I have no sympathy for England or "The Kingdom" at all. Not at all. I am just writing about things as I see them, and I agree with what you said.

    I keep going back to George Washington, who never would have set foot on English soil. He more than anyone knew, from experience, the snobbery and detachment of England.

    There is a statue of Washington there in England. Guess what. It stands on stone brought over from America. This is because people involved knew that George himself would never, ever, have stood on British soil.

    So, that statue of our first president stands upon a rock that was shipped over from America.
  158. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    It’s hard to take you seriously when you put Taylor, who is extremely philo-Hebraic, in the same category as Spencer, who has never shied away from very un-PC takes on the JQ (which is not the same as saying he wouldn’t engage civilly with individual Jews).

    As for KMac and Anglin, I’ve seen no evidence they won’t engage civilly with Jews. I’m sure they’d treat you better than a mainstream SJW would treat the average self-respecting white dude.

    I’m realistic about population averages, but I also prefer to treat individuals as individuals when possible.

  159. This is brilliant. And it’s amusing, as in the case with Rep. Omar and The Lobby’s inability to engineer censure of her, that Jews themselves sometimes end up on flights that don’t know up from down.

    … In First Class, of course.

  160. Maybe we can reach consensus on climate change and appropriate adjustments. If carbon emissions are destabilizing the climate, Euros should benefit if their genes are selected for extreme climate events. Jews are selected in any event because the covenant. Therefore, let’s not abandon or penalize the use of coal, oil, natural gas, etc. Agreed? Now, about hate speech…

  161. @IC8
    Huh? If you're against both racial/ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism, what else is there? What exactly does "American nationalism" mean to you? Also LOL at claiming Brazil is a "real nation".

    Also LOL at claiming Brazil is a “real nation”.

    Brazil may be wobbly, “the nation of the future– forever”. But Brazil is nevertheless a lot more coherent than the US. They’ve never had a civil war.

    They’re not tearing down their monuments. When Brazilians protest, they do so in the same language as their targets.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Yes and no. Brazil is a lot like the US in that it is sort of it's own insulated world within a country, with not much consciousness of the world outside due to it's own size and regional diversity. Like the US, it had massive waves of Europeans come in and absorb the local language and ways-though there was an added racial dimension to Brazilian immigration policies due to the much larger African slave proportion they had relative to the white populace. The big difference is that until recently, Brazil was too stratified for there to be much like the mass public coherence like you saw in the US pre-1990s. Oligarchs were perpetually trying to undercut the lower-middle and middle (and upwardly mobile working) classes at every turn without regard for greater national interest. That's changed somewhat with Brazil's massive lower middle class growth of the early 2000s, but recent events show that Brazil's political classes have a long way to go before dreaming bigger ambitions.

    (Not that we are ones to talk given the open malignant incompetence and venality of our own elites, economic, political, and media.)

    Brazil (or Mexico) is a lot like what I suspect our elites would like the US to become. Just with uglier women, nukes, and none of the warm, a dolce vida life as a compensation for those outside the gentry classes. Pee bags at work for the declassed here, it would seem like.
  162. @Mr. Anon
    England has often been pretty shitty. I'm thinking especially of their efforts to draw us into their wars, and the (former) propensity of their ruling class to view American men as their reserve army. And it isn't merely America they've abused in this way. They often acted disgracefully towards their own colonies and even their own people.

    But they are nowadays nothing like the albatross that our best little buddy in the Mideast has become.

    They often acted disgracefully towards their own colonies and even their own people.

    They’re notoriously nicer to their dogs than to their children.

  163. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    We need a formal corollary to Godwin's Law stating that anyone who resorts to disingenuous hand-waving about "da Jooos" in a desperate frightened attempt to throw the bloodhounds off the trail, automatically forfeits the argument. Not that they ever had a credible chance of winning it, but all the same.

    Godwinstein’s Law

  164. @Reg Cæsar

    Plenty of us have wondered, “why don’t they just ease up a bit?” Or “does it really benefit them to turn us into Brazil?”
     
    Brazil is monolingual. How is anyone going to turn America into that?

    Reg, you are way too sanguine about Brazil’s coherence.

    I am a huge fan of Bolsanora but not of his two predecessors, and not just because they were mass scale crooks. Rousseff was also red diaper baby who belonged to a pro-Castro, Marxist, terrorist group in the 60s. She was, roughly, the Brazilian counterpart to Angela Davis.

    Yes, Brazil is monolingual but so was the US until 50 years ago. Brazil just wasn’t successful enough to attract large numbers of Spanish speakers from the countries on its borders.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Brazil just wasn’t successful enough to attract large numbers of Spanish speakers from the countries on its borders.
     
    But they were savvy enough to attract numbers of Spanish speakers from Spain. That country was in the top five or six sources of immigrants. The reason so many Brazilian names look Spanish is that they in fact are.

    Brazil might have been attractive to Spaniards, Italians, and Germans because they could rise so quickly there. Heck, one of their best presidents was Czech.

  165. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas

    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading

    150 years after slavery was abolished in the west we still have slave auctions and chattel slavery in the Islamic republics of Libya , Mauritania,Sudan,Somalia and Nigeria. Seems muslims played the greatest role in slavery and vigourously continue 150 years after Jews and Christians ceased the slave trade.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter

    150 years after slavery was abolished in the west we still have slave auctions and chattel slavery in the Islamic republics of Libya , Mauritania,Sudan,Somalia and Nigeria. Seems muslims played the greatest role in slavery and vigourously continue 150 years after Jews and Christians ceased the slave trade.
     
    Smart people move onto more lucrative opportunities when they open up.
    , @ben tillman

    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?
     
    You can't be serious. The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.
  166. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Like blowing up the WTC, faking a genocide, defaming poor misunderstood Adolf Hitler, and murdering Gen Patton and JFK, right?
     
    Sure, at least mostly correct. It's nice to see that you've been reading some of my American Pravda articles from the last year.

    But you forgot to mention the massively-documented Nazi-Zionist partnership of the 1930s that laid the basis for the creation of the State of Israel...

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

    If the MSM covers up for Jews as you state , how do you explain the Israel Palestinians conflict in which 25,000 Palestinians have been killed over a 50 year period gets more MSM attention than the milllions killed in these ongoing occupations combined !!!

    Russian occupation of Chechnya,Kaliningrad,Crimea,Dagestan.
    Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang.
    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan.
    Indonesian occupation of West Papua
    Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara
    Nigerian occupation of Biafra
    Sudanese occupation of Darfur

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    "Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang."

    Does not exist, that's why.

    Not that Tibet wasn't invaded. First it was invaded by the British Raj when Britain had an empire in the subcontinent, then after the Raj left India continue the nonsense.

    In 1951, four years after the British Raj has already left, India invaded and annexed South Tibet (made a state and called Arunachal Pradesh by India since 1987). South Tibet includes Tawang, birth place of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. The majority of the natives there are of Tibetan stock like the Monpa, Adi..etc. The area is indisputedly part of historic Tibet. How come the MSM never mention this is what I want to know.

  167. @Cagey Beast
    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    ... but they do like cruelty. They like being cruel to people they feel safe attacking and they especially like to cruelly enforce social norms, no matter what they are.

    My guess is that you yourself are a woman. My guess too is that you say the "racism and anti semitism here is appalling" because such things carry the smell of low status. If we were living in Nazi Germany, you'd be repulsed at any hint of Judeo-Bolshevism or the sound of Negro jazz music. That's my theory about you, Anon 415.

    Seriously, dude? It’s obviously the satirical troll Tiny Duck commenting anonymously.

    • Replies: @Marty
    No, it's a woman who calls herself "Gothamette" at LOTB.
  168. @Ron Unz
    A very astute and interesting analysis of the utterly bizarre ideological trends roiling American society over the last few years...

    It seems to me there's a very strong historical pattern of Jewish groups seeking to stir up endless social conflict along all possible lines in order to distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas.

    I'd very much add the insane current focus on "transgenderism," which is something I don't think anyone would have ever predicted. Basically, major efforts where made to stir up conflict with East Asians and Hispanics, but since both those groups are rather quiet and politically docile, the result was total failure. Therefore, the focus on blacks was redoubled and transgenderism suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

    A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power.

    Within the American context, the overwhelming reliance upon black suffering by Jewish activists is utterly hilarious. After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading, probably far greater in relative terms than any other white American group. But because that history has been hidden by the MSM, Jewish activists regularly use black history as a means of denouncing and intimidating the general white population.

    Similarly, Jewish activists endlessly denounce the white American power structure for its attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.

    When you read MSM articles from the 1960s and 1970s, you often see casual mention of the horrible oppression inflicted upon Jews by the Communist regimes of the USSR and its satellites, another truly hilarious claim since Communist leadership, both in Europe and America, was so overwhelmingly Jewish during most of its history.

    Over the years, I've gradually come to the reluctant conclusion that everything, absolutely everything, regarding Jewish history must be treated with extreme caution, and quite often represents a total inversion of reality.

    “A reasonable analogy might be conventional PRC history, which I find quite plausible. After the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, Mao was sidelined politically, so he then provoked the Cultural Revolution as a means of destabilizing the country, using the resulting total chaos and confusion as a successful means of regaining absolute power. ”

    Wow. I am extremely impressed with Ron’s insight because I also came to the same conclusion. Mao was after all not crazy, he just use the Cultural Revolution as a pretext to manipulate himself back into power and stay in power until his death. As far as China is concerned Ron certainly knows what he is talking and his observation and insight is on the money most of the time. I wonder whether Ron has any Chinese language skills. Many so called Sinologists are actually pretty clueless even though they know the language and probably know a lot about Chinese history.

  169. @PV van der Byl
    Reg, you are way too sanguine about Brazil's coherence.

    I am a huge fan of Bolsanora but not of his two predecessors, and not just because they were mass scale crooks. Rousseff was also red diaper baby who belonged to a pro-Castro, Marxist, terrorist group in the 60s. She was, roughly, the Brazilian counterpart to Angela Davis.

    Yes, Brazil is monolingual but so was the US until 50 years ago. Brazil just wasn't successful enough to attract large numbers of Spanish speakers from the countries on its borders.

    Brazil just wasn’t successful enough to attract large numbers of Spanish speakers from the countries on its borders.

    But they were savvy enough to attract numbers of Spanish speakers from Spain. That country was in the top five or six sources of immigrants. The reason so many Brazilian names look Spanish is that they in fact are.

    Brazil might have been attractive to Spaniards, Italians, and Germans because they could rise so quickly there. Heck, one of their best presidents was Czech.

  170. I got my 23&me results back. I’m 2% African American. I knew it all along. Barry White is the man. I’m full on black from here on out. #I’mnegronow

  171. @Anon

    distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas
     
    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading

     

    150 years after slavery was abolished in the west we still have slave auctions and chattel slavery in the Islamic republics of Libya , Mauritania,Sudan,Somalia and Nigeria. Seems muslims played the greatest role in slavery and vigourously continue 150 years after Jews and Christians ceased the slave trade.

    150 years after slavery was abolished in the west we still have slave auctions and chattel slavery in the Islamic republics of Libya , Mauritania,Sudan,Somalia and Nigeria. Seems muslims played the greatest role in slavery and vigourously continue 150 years after Jews and Christians ceased the slave trade.

    Smart people move onto more lucrative opportunities when they open up.

  172. @Anon
    If the MSM covers up for Jews as you state , how do you explain the Israel Palestinians conflict in which 25,000 Palestinians have been killed over a 50 year period gets more MSM attention than the milllions killed in these ongoing occupations combined !!!

    Russian occupation of Chechnya,Kaliningrad,Crimea,Dagestan.
    Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang.
    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan.
    Indonesian occupation of West Papua
    Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara
    Nigerian occupation of Biafra
    Sudanese occupation of Darfur

    “Chinese occupation of Tibet and Xinyang.”

    Does not exist, that’s why.

    Not that Tibet wasn’t invaded. First it was invaded by the British Raj when Britain had an empire in the subcontinent, then after the Raj left India continue the nonsense.

    In 1951, four years after the British Raj has already left, India invaded and annexed South Tibet (made a state and called Arunachal Pradesh by India since 1987). South Tibet includes Tawang, birth place of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. The majority of the natives there are of Tibetan stock like the Monpa, Adi..etc. The area is indisputedly part of historic Tibet. How come the MSM never mention this is what I want to know.

  173. @IC8
    Seriously, dude? It's obviously the satirical troll Tiny Duck commenting anonymously.

    No, it’s a woman who calls herself “Gothamette” at LOTB.

  174. @BigDickNick
    "Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present."

    The first Politburo: Lenin(mixed), (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))), Stalin, (((Sokolnikov))) and Bubnov.

    That's a pretty big cohencidence!

    (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))),(((Sokolnikov)))

    Purge, purged, purged and purged. All four murdered by Stalin. Doesn’t seem like Jews were doing that well in Stalinist Russia by the mid-30s. If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn’t last very long.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Stalin was a secret Jew just like Pol Pot ,Suharto ,Mao, Hitler ,Saddam Hussein ,Jeffery Dahmer , John Wayne Gacy ,Benedict Arnold and Omar Bashir ( unless you like Omar Bashir ) .
    , @nebulafox
    The Caucasian clerk who all the Jewish intellectuals loved to sneer at got the last laugh in the end. Being an ideological theorist and charmer of foreign leftist bien-pensants is pretty, but useless compared to a practical understanding of power and the identification from the rising masses in your native country. He even managed to turn the Cheka from the vanguard of world revolution dominated by Jews and Latvians into an old-style anti-Semitic Muscovite police force dominated by ethnic Russians and Caucasians.

    Not that I would have had an issue with this. A USSR run by Stalin was a way lesser evil than one run by Trotsky or Zinoviev.

    , @Mr. Anon

    If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn’t last very long.
     
    That heyday did however coincide with the bloodiest period of soviet rule. I guess they made the best of it, before the axe came down.
    , @BigDickNick
    Don't you think "some jews were present" is a bit of a misrepresentation if 4.25/7 of the first politburo was jewish? That's staggering. and it isn't even mentioning other jews like (((yagoda))) and many others. The absolutely brutal period of animalisitic soviet violence was the period where the government was extremely jewish.
  175. @Neil Templeton

    Following the founding of the State of Israel, Communism took an anti-Semitic turn and following the Soviet backed Arab loss in the ’67 war, even more so, such that Jews were excluded from the power structure of the Soviet Union and satellite states starting in the early ’50s and the Bloc reverted to more or less traditional E. European anti-Semitism.
     
    Was emigration to the United States for the excluded Jews part of a Cold War deal?

    No. In fact emigration was supposed to be for “family reunification” purposes and ostensibly most Soviet Jews were supposed to move to Israel.

  176. @Jack D
    (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))),(((Sokolnikov)))

    Purge, purged, purged and purged. All four murdered by Stalin. Doesn't seem like Jews were doing that well in Stalinist Russia by the mid-30s. If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn't last very long.

    Stalin was a secret Jew just like Pol Pot ,Suharto ,Mao, Hitler ,Saddam Hussein ,Jeffery Dahmer , John Wayne Gacy ,Benedict Arnold and Omar Bashir ( unless you like Omar Bashir ) .

  177. @Peripatetic Commenter
    Kim Foxx suggests race behind criticism: 'I have been asking myself ... what is this really about'

    Of course it's about race.

    Dumb Jussie Smollett thought he could get away with a hate-crime hoax because he is half black and there are plenty of blacks in the Chicago Justice System to cover for him!

    She really is a two-digiter.

  178. @Reg Cæsar

    Excuse me, I should have said that white nationalism is destined to fail to protect the interests of white people in this country, just like civic nationalism, citizenism, American nationalism, and anything else you can come up with.
     
    What's left?

    What’s left?

    Capitalizing on a monumental blunder. Or somehow pulling just enough of our people through the collapse and aftermath to come out on the other side with the technology and access to fuel and metals that we need to recreate our technological base. Post-Rome history tells us what will happen, but it doesn’t tell us who will be doing it and whether we can succeed in being part of the surviving overclass or in preserving our technological knowledge.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Post-Rome history tells us what will happen, but it doesn’t tell us who will be doing it
     
    St Benedict?
  179. @Jack D

    It is my concern when my government uses my money and the blood of my countrymen to defend the interests of a shitty little country half way around the world.
     
    Would that be England?

    It was in WW1 and WW2.

  180. @Jack D
    (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))),(((Sokolnikov)))

    Purge, purged, purged and purged. All four murdered by Stalin. Doesn't seem like Jews were doing that well in Stalinist Russia by the mid-30s. If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn't last very long.

    The Caucasian clerk who all the Jewish intellectuals loved to sneer at got the last laugh in the end. Being an ideological theorist and charmer of foreign leftist bien-pensants is pretty, but useless compared to a practical understanding of power and the identification from the rising masses in your native country. He even managed to turn the Cheka from the vanguard of world revolution dominated by Jews and Latvians into an old-style anti-Semitic Muscovite police force dominated by ethnic Russians and Caucasians.

    Not that I would have had an issue with this. A USSR run by Stalin was a way lesser evil than one run by Trotsky or Zinoviev.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Not that I would have had an issue with this. A USSR run by Stalin was a way lesser evil than one run by Trotsky or Zinoviev.
     
    I'm inclined to agree. Stalin weakened the Russian empire. Trotsky or Zinoviev would likely have made it stronger. The one thing the world did not need at that juncture was a strong Soviet Union.

    Both Stalin and Mao did the world a favor, and decades of respite, by bringing their respective countries to their knees, from an economic perspective. The Russian and Chinese will to empire would otherwise have caused even more trouble than they already have. They've been constrained only by a lack of resources to work their will.

  181. @Anon
    The racism and anti semitism here is appalling

    If you guys wonder why Men of Color are desired by white girls then that is why

    Women do not like pathetic cruelty

    Tiny? You’ve gone anon? Que pasa?

  182. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    I realize that it’s difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I’m almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh….

    How do you not grasp that Kevin MacDonald has spent more time treating Jews as human beings than 99% of non-Jewish Americans have?

  183. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    And you are asking why they’re not “willing to engage” with those people specifically. Why would they? It’s no different from choosing, as a white man, to “engage” with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don’t engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That’s a waste of time.

    It seems they would be the most important people to engage with.

  184. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    Well, right-wing Jews – who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white – get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn’t matter if they’ve lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they’re still enemies of the west.

    If you don’t identify as a Jew, you’re not a Jew.

  185. @abigail_shapiro
    Its not an airplane, Steve.

    Its a bicycle.

    The only way it doesn't fall over is if it never stops moving.

    Jews have their hands on the handle bars, but the "coalition of the fringes" are the ones moving the pedals. The more agitated they are, the harder they pump their legs, the faster the bike moves, and the more stable it becomes.

    The only tricky thing, thought, is how to safely get off before you run out of road?

    Its not an airplane, Steve.

    Its a bicycle.

    The only way it doesn’t fall over is if it never stops moving.

    Jews have their hands on the handle bars, but the “coalition of the fringes” are the ones moving the pedals. The more agitated they are, the harder they pump their legs, the faster the bike moves, and the more stable it becomes.

    And the easier it is to run down your enemies standing on the sidewalk minding their own business. Good analogy.

  186. @Anon

    distract people from the huge reality of ongoing Jewish misbehavior, especially in economic and political areas
     
    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?

    After all, there seems massive historical evidence that Jews actually played an enormous role in promoting black slavery and slave trading

     

    150 years after slavery was abolished in the west we still have slave auctions and chattel slavery in the Islamic republics of Libya , Mauritania,Sudan,Somalia and Nigeria. Seems muslims played the greatest role in slavery and vigourously continue 150 years after Jews and Christians ceased the slave trade.

    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?

    You can’t be serious. The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.
     
    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?
    , @Anon
    Im no expert but I would surmise that the JQ itself is a fantastic suppressant of white fertility and thus a huge driver for so called white genocide.

    Millions of JQ white guys obsessing about Jews 24/7 online . Spending several hours per day reading anti jewish content and making comments online about Jews. All of this time could be spent impregnating huwyte wimmminz but instead the time is spent internalizing hate and obsessing over Jews.

    Put down your phone/ computer. End white genocide. But i suspect you are too lazy,weak and content. Anyway it's always more comfortable to blame orhers.
  187. @Reg Cæsar

    Also LOL at claiming Brazil is a “real nation”.
     
    Brazil may be wobbly, "the nation of the future-- forever". But Brazil is nevertheless a lot more coherent than the US. They've never had a civil war.

    They're not tearing down their monuments. When Brazilians protest, they do so in the same language as their targets.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-jgT70VoAQaBp7.jpg

    Yes and no. Brazil is a lot like the US in that it is sort of it’s own insulated world within a country, with not much consciousness of the world outside due to it’s own size and regional diversity. Like the US, it had massive waves of Europeans come in and absorb the local language and ways-though there was an added racial dimension to Brazilian immigration policies due to the much larger African slave proportion they had relative to the white populace. The big difference is that until recently, Brazil was too stratified for there to be much like the mass public coherence like you saw in the US pre-1990s. Oligarchs were perpetually trying to undercut the lower-middle and middle (and upwardly mobile working) classes at every turn without regard for greater national interest. That’s changed somewhat with Brazil’s massive lower middle class growth of the early 2000s, but recent events show that Brazil’s political classes have a long way to go before dreaming bigger ambitions.

    (Not that we are ones to talk given the open malignant incompetence and venality of our own elites, economic, political, and media.)

    Brazil (or Mexico) is a lot like what I suspect our elites would like the US to become. Just with uglier women, nukes, and none of the warm, a dolce vida life as a compensation for those outside the gentry classes. Pee bags at work for the declassed here, it would seem like.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Oligarchs get interested in the working class quality of life when they need soldiers.

    Unrivaled American hegemony has eroded that interest.
  188. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don’t actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument.

    It’s interesting then that so few Jews ever test your hypothesis.

  189. @nebulafox
    The Caucasian clerk who all the Jewish intellectuals loved to sneer at got the last laugh in the end. Being an ideological theorist and charmer of foreign leftist bien-pensants is pretty, but useless compared to a practical understanding of power and the identification from the rising masses in your native country. He even managed to turn the Cheka from the vanguard of world revolution dominated by Jews and Latvians into an old-style anti-Semitic Muscovite police force dominated by ethnic Russians and Caucasians.

    Not that I would have had an issue with this. A USSR run by Stalin was a way lesser evil than one run by Trotsky or Zinoviev.

    Not that I would have had an issue with this. A USSR run by Stalin was a way lesser evil than one run by Trotsky or Zinoviev.

    I’m inclined to agree. Stalin weakened the Russian empire. Trotsky or Zinoviev would likely have made it stronger. The one thing the world did not need at that juncture was a strong Soviet Union.

    Both Stalin and Mao did the world a favor, and decades of respite, by bringing their respective countries to their knees, from an economic perspective. The Russian and Chinese will to empire would otherwise have caused even more trouble than they already have. They’ve been constrained only by a lack of resources to work their will.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I’m inclined to agree. Stalin weakened the Russian empire. Trotsky or Zinoviev would likely have made it stronger. The one thing the world did not need at that juncture was a strong Soviet Union.
     
    Indeed. Stalin believed in "socialism in one country". Trotsky's beliefs were more universal and messianic - he wanted to spread socialism throughout all of Europe. Stalin was cruel and hard on his own people, and on all the people who fell into his orbit (the captive nations of Eastern Europe). But Trotsky and his ilk would have spread misery over all of Europe, if they had the chance, as Hitler did when he got his chance.

    Frankly, Europe was better off under Dukes, Princes, and Emperors, than it was under all these vulgar petty bourgeoisie upstarts.
  190. @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    I think, Mister Jon, that you're confusing the Joooos with the Israelis. A common error; irrespective of whether one thinks the Israelis are OK and the Diaspora Joooos are not, or vice versa.

    Also, as was posted several times over on Chateau Heartiste —a notoriously Joooo-unfriendly site— married men who self-identified as "Jewish" voted for Orange Man Bad almost 2:1. And I doubt whether very many of them/us who did so in 2016 would be disinclined to do so again in 2020.

    With Jewish women, married or single, it's another story altogether... which is indicative, maybe, of why so many Jewish men who would prefer to keep the whole 3,000 year thing going for a while longer, marry the shicksas with some degree of regret: even where it worked out well over time.

    I think black people.have a similar dynamic, though the fantasy Randism of the GOP (Trump: “Rising wages? Must double H2-B visas!”) puts hard limits on this. The working and underclass men get the double whammy from the administrative state, treated as animals by the justice system and the family courts alike. You have to feel from them here: what is the incentive to work hard when at any moment, some harridan can claim you are the baby-daddy-whether you’ve even seen the woman before is irrelevant-and claim over half your check? Not to mention the fact that your job can be outsourced to a Salvadoran debt peon at any moment, or being locked into a life of crime for petty dope dealing. Its an advance version of what is now happening in WWC communities.

    Absent their women, I could see them going rogue for an insurgent candidate who promises the right things, like say a monopoly over a legalized drug trade, bombarding hard the economic immigration angle, and a promise to squeeze the oligarchs hard, and presents the right attitude, i.e unapologetic masculinity and unsentimental willingness to state the obvious. “I’m not your brother, and I won’t insult your intelligence by pretending to be. But I’ll be straight with you in contrast to all those liberal and TrueCon smiling simps and offer you better stuff.” People respect an honest, strong person from a rival faction better than a simpering turncoat. Mugabe’s quote about white liberals here is demonstrative. Working class blacks dudes are not affluent white liberals. Exploit that.

    Worth also mentioning that black men with options have been disproportionately marrying out for some time, much to the outrage of their women.

  191. @ben tillman

    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?
     
    You can't be serious. The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.

    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.

    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?
     
    There were only 180 million then, not 200, but that's not the point. The point is that your question is deliberately assholish because you know that the policies in place right now will result in genocide if not changed, and there is no known way for the target of the genocide to change those policies.
    , @Desiderius
    He's exaggerating but you're also giving him unecessary ammunition. Callous disregard for (unprecedented) falling white life-expectancy and the like is really unhelpful.

    Regular whites (especially white men) are subject to rampant, overt, and government/corporation-sponsored discrimination, demonization, and dehumanization every day and twice on Sundays. It's not genocide yet but you've got to be willfully blind to history to dismiss concerns that it could get there fast.
    , @AnotherDad


    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.
     
    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.
    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?
     
    Reg, what's your point? Simply that "genocide" isn't exactly the correct term?

    You're correct they aren't loading us into boxcars--yet. (The future, like death, is undiscoved country.)

    However, we white gentiles are being stripped of our nations. And we are not Jews. We are not a tribal, protective, quarrellous market place people We are an open, trusting, neighborly people, designed to be around neighbors like ourselves and nations of people like ourselves. (The main reason we've been so easy to roll.)

    We probably need to become more tribal--more like the Jews--in order to survive. But, even if successful, we'll also lose something in that deal. We won't be the same people.

    Taking away our territory, our nations is a "genocidal" attack on us, designed to destroy whites as a people even if not murdering us individually. If you object to Ben calling it "genocide", what do you want to call it?

    "Genostomp"?

    "Genosqueeze"?

    "Ethnic compression"?

    "Nationcide?"

    "The Final Solution"?
  192. @nebulafox
    Yes and no. Brazil is a lot like the US in that it is sort of it's own insulated world within a country, with not much consciousness of the world outside due to it's own size and regional diversity. Like the US, it had massive waves of Europeans come in and absorb the local language and ways-though there was an added racial dimension to Brazilian immigration policies due to the much larger African slave proportion they had relative to the white populace. The big difference is that until recently, Brazil was too stratified for there to be much like the mass public coherence like you saw in the US pre-1990s. Oligarchs were perpetually trying to undercut the lower-middle and middle (and upwardly mobile working) classes at every turn without regard for greater national interest. That's changed somewhat with Brazil's massive lower middle class growth of the early 2000s, but recent events show that Brazil's political classes have a long way to go before dreaming bigger ambitions.

    (Not that we are ones to talk given the open malignant incompetence and venality of our own elites, economic, political, and media.)

    Brazil (or Mexico) is a lot like what I suspect our elites would like the US to become. Just with uglier women, nukes, and none of the warm, a dolce vida life as a compensation for those outside the gentry classes. Pee bags at work for the declassed here, it would seem like.

    Oligarchs get interested in the working class quality of life when they need soldiers.

    Unrivaled American hegemony has eroded that interest.

  193. @Reg Cæsar

    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.
     
    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?

    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?

    There were only 180 million then, not 200, but that’s not the point. The point is that your question is deliberately assholish because you know that the policies in place right now will result in genocide if not changed, and there is no known way for the target of the genocide to change those policies.

    • Replies: @Anon
    No one to blame but yourself. Stop spending 24/7 online and start having children. "White genocide" solved.
  194. @Reg Cæsar

    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.
     
    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?

    He’s exaggerating but you’re also giving him unecessary ammunition. Callous disregard for (unprecedented) falling white life-expectancy and the like is really unhelpful.

    Regular whites (especially white men) are subject to rampant, overt, and government/corporation-sponsored discrimination, demonization, and dehumanization every day and twice on Sundays. It’s not genocide yet but you’ve got to be willfully blind to history to dismiss concerns that it could get there fast.

  195. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    I think commenter misunderestimates the beauty of MACS’s no-bugs-all-features design, which is universal and plastic enough to be installed in any advanced society not rigidly uniform to an ethno-religious identity. Even the most established monolithic whitepeople platforms such as RUSSIA! or New Zealand show ample supply of immature human yearning and thus demand for the kind of the telemetry output by MACS to the control panel notifications bar. The top non-Communist defense-aerospace project managers have long since forked MACS and endeavored mightily to get the Uighur localization online– you could call it a “ticking bomb” kind of development situation

  196. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neil Templeton
    I'm pretty sure she's crazy.

    “Crazy Fugitive Half-Asians” = am allow w/ script authority

  197. @ben tillman

    One of the sad facts about our present situation is that virtually no Jews are willing to engage with critics of Jewish political behavior, such as AnotherDad, such as Steve Sailer, such as Kevin MacDonald. There are some readers of this blog and others who really think Jews from time immemorial have been the hidden agents of every bad thing. That opinion is impossible to hold for people such as me who have studied under, worked with and had many agreeable personal relations with Jews.
     
    No, it's not. It's much easier for people like you to hold not the strawman "opinion" that you cited but an understanding like that of MacDonald, who indeed is a person like you.

    Once Jews get comfortable with you, they forget you’re not a Jew and stop being careful what they say around you.

    Your Jewish friends aren’t comfortable enough with you yet to tell you what they really think of the goyim.

  198. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    K-Mac’s pretty solid on the circular-reasoning game. The retort to any 1/32nd Jew’s objection/observation/whatever can always be approximated as “Well, you *would* say that, wouldn’t you”

  199. @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    I think, Mister Jon, that you're confusing the Joooos with the Israelis. A common error; irrespective of whether one thinks the Israelis are OK and the Diaspora Joooos are not, or vice versa.

    Also, as was posted several times over on Chateau Heartiste —a notoriously Joooo-unfriendly site— married men who self-identified as "Jewish" voted for Orange Man Bad almost 2:1. And I doubt whether very many of them/us who did so in 2016 would be disinclined to do so again in 2020.

    With Jewish women, married or single, it's another story altogether... which is indicative, maybe, of why so many Jewish men who would prefer to keep the whole 3,000 year thing going for a while longer, marry the shicksas with some degree of regret: even where it worked out well over time.

    Jewish women are the biggest threats to the US and white interests. Interesting to see that the split among jews between men and women is starting to mirror the split among whites. Almost half of gen Z Jewish males support Trump while the young women and girls overwhelming see him as orange man bad.

    Now the high IQ Asian women are starting to copy the Jewish women because they see that is how the game is played.

    But as long as almost all the media is in the hands of leftist and neocon jews, it doesn’t matter that many Jewish men are starting to see the light.

    Side note: Little Benji Shapiro and the rest of the Jewish controlled opposition are being used to keep Jewish males, as well as whites, on the reservation.

  200. @Sam Malone
    Thank you Ron for this site, and in particular for your support of Steve.

    attacks on Martin Luther King and other black activists of the 1960s even those it was actually the Jewish operatives of the ADL who seem to have played the greatest role in those illegal attacks.
     
    I'd be interested in knowing more about this - my understanding is that Jewish activists were heavily involved in promoting King and the movement for racial integration in general.

    I’d be interested in knowing more about this – my understanding is that Jewish activists were heavily involved in promoting King and the movement for racial integration in general.

    Sure. I’m no expert on King, but my strong impression is that most of his key advisors were Jewish Communists. But as King became more and more influential, the ADL became deeply suspicious of him, presumably leading to the spying operation.

    Here’s a long article I wrote last year on this and various related subjects:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

  201. @Jack D
    (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))),(((Sokolnikov)))

    Purge, purged, purged and purged. All four murdered by Stalin. Doesn't seem like Jews were doing that well in Stalinist Russia by the mid-30s. If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn't last very long.

    If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn’t last very long.

    That heyday did however coincide with the bloodiest period of soviet rule. I guess they made the best of it, before the axe came down.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  202. @David JP
    I realize that it's difficult, but try to imagine being one (a culturally-aware Jew), and imagine trying to engage as one with what passes today for the alt-right.

    Would Steve treat you as a human being? I'm almost certain. Would Jared Taylor or Peter Brimelow, or even Richard Spencer? Most likely.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh....

    White guys, you obviously know what it feels like to read any mainstream media source and be bombarded with garbage like "white privilege", "white fragility", "toxic masculinity", obvious hate hoaxes treated as serious matters that somehow indirectly involve you, and generally being blamed for everything that's wrong with society. And what do you do? Most of you probably do the normal, sane, human thing: you disengage. Stop paying close attention. Maybe you troll them.

    Well, right-wing Jews - who, aside from the Orthodox, are generally the ones who were successful at assimilation and therefore mostly consider themselves white - get all of that plus the exact same thing directed specifically at Jews from a solid quarter or so of the alt-right, often with subtle insinuations that it doesn't matter if they've lived here for 5 generations and literally never identified as Jews, they're still enemies of the west.

    And you are asking why they're not "willing to engage" with those people specifically. Why would they? It's no different from choosing, as a white man, to "engage" with Black Twitter or the blue-check brigade. You don't engage with people who openly proclaim to want you dead. That's a waste of time.

    If you're Jewish, it takes a lot of emotional stability, if not outright ethnomasochism, to routinely come across posts making broad, sweeping, negative generalizations (never mind what's usually in the comment sections!) and still remain a loyal supporter. Most people in general just aren't that stoic; even fewer Jews are, as any card-carrying race realist would know. At least pre-2016 and especially pre-2012, it was far more productive to try to engage the progressive side; that's what Moldbug did and he actually peeled off quite a few of the elite, which predictably he gets zero credit for in alt-right spheres.

    I expect that serious readers of Kevin MacDonald don't actually want Jews to engage with them in any way; they just find it useful to tout the lack of engagement as supporting their argument. But if you genuinely are disappointed about this outcome, then be the change you want to see: invite one of them to have that conversation with you, no BS and no trolling. If you can hold up your end of the bargain, I'm sure more of them will volunteer.

    Would Kevin MacDonald, or Andrew Anglin, or their acolytes? Ehhhh….

    Well, I don’t know that Anglin fellow, but I’ve gotten reasonably friendly with Kevin MacDonald over the last couple of years or so, and he seems like a pretty typical quiet academic type. I do get the sense he’s sometimes very nervous about some of the really “touchy” subjects I’ve regularly covered, but I guess I can’t blame him.

    Personally, I think his WN views are kind of ridiculous, but lots of academics believe in all sorts of silly things.

  203. @BigDickNick
    "Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present."

    The first Politburo: Lenin(mixed), (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))), Stalin, (((Sokolnikov))) and Bubnov.

    That's a pretty big cohencidence!

    “Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present.”

    Actually, there seems absolutely enormous evidence that the early leadership of the Bolsheviks was overwhelmingly Jewish, perhaps 80-85% Jewish in a country that was just 4% Jewish. Being over-represented by 10,000% seems pretty notable to me.

    Roughly the same degree of over-representation was true with regards to the American Communists, the German Communists, the Hungarian Communists and many of the others. Just because the MSM and academics try to cover something up doesn’t change the reality.

    I discussed some of these issues at considerable length in a long article last year:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    My basic takeaway is that a disproportionate amount of first generation Old Bolsheviks in the USSR were Jewish, as was in the case in Poland, Hungary, etc. But in Russia, Stalin nailed most of them in the purges and turned the USSR into a more socially conservative Great Russian beast. Especially in the secret police, the difference in the ethnic makeup between the 1920s and the 1950s is very marked.

    This wasn't too controversial to point out until relatively recently. Joachim Fest-whom nobody can seriously accuse of being anti-Semitic or at all Nazi-friendly-casually mentions the causes of Jewish attraction to utopian left-wing movements in antebellum Europe in his biography of Hitler. The biography was made in 1973: not even 50 years ago.

  204. @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    A large minority of Jews have been absorbed into the Borg. That is where prestige, power and money reside. Another third vote demonRat for ethnic heritage and anti-Christian reasons. The remaining quarter are patriots to the old order of America, the one that has been sold down the river by the Chamber of Commerce Republicans.

  205. @Johann Ricke

    Not that I would have had an issue with this. A USSR run by Stalin was a way lesser evil than one run by Trotsky or Zinoviev.
     
    I'm inclined to agree. Stalin weakened the Russian empire. Trotsky or Zinoviev would likely have made it stronger. The one thing the world did not need at that juncture was a strong Soviet Union.

    Both Stalin and Mao did the world a favor, and decades of respite, by bringing their respective countries to their knees, from an economic perspective. The Russian and Chinese will to empire would otherwise have caused even more trouble than they already have. They've been constrained only by a lack of resources to work their will.

    I’m inclined to agree. Stalin weakened the Russian empire. Trotsky or Zinoviev would likely have made it stronger. The one thing the world did not need at that juncture was a strong Soviet Union.

    Indeed. Stalin believed in “socialism in one country”. Trotsky’s beliefs were more universal and messianic – he wanted to spread socialism throughout all of Europe. Stalin was cruel and hard on his own people, and on all the people who fell into his orbit (the captive nations of Eastern Europe). But Trotsky and his ilk would have spread misery over all of Europe, if they had the chance, as Hitler did when he got his chance.

    Frankly, Europe was better off under Dukes, Princes, and Emperors, than it was under all these vulgar petty bourgeoisie upstarts.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    That's what I was getting at. Stalin was willing to play the opportunistic Bolshevik game when he felt he had the chance, but ultimately, he was far more grounded in Russian foreign policy tradition-and frankly, psychology-than Trotsky was. Part of the reason Cultural Revolution-era China scared everybody, its allies included, was because it resembled what Trotskyite Russia probably would have been like. Few are aware of how close the Sino-Soviet split came to going nuclear.

    Anyway, that's one of the many reasons he beat Trotsky: the demi-intelligentsia son of ex-serfs just resonated with the average new man apparatchik way better than people like Trotsky did. The Trotskyites confused the approval of the Beautiful People in the West with the approval of the Russian masses.

    >Frankly, Europe was better off under Dukes, Princes, and Emperors, than it was under all these vulgar petty bourgeoisie upstarts.

    Agreed. Had all the German princes and dukes survived the war and been allowed to keep their traditional role in German society, the Nazis wouldn't have had the vacuum on the center-right they needed to gain political air. Churchill himself said that the wisest thing to have done would have been to place some infant grandson of the Kaiser on the throne under an English-style constitutional monarchy. You do that, Hitler would have died embittered and penniless on society's margins. But the US under Wilson could and did dictate terms. Britain and France were more acquainted with the realities of European politics and were less violently against the idea of monarchy. But by 1918, they were bled white, and but for US troops landing in France, would have been forced to seek some sort of deal with the Germans rather than going for victory. So the neocons and progressives of their day could and did impose their vision...

    The Germans desperately needed a benevolent, grounded authoritarian to keep them out of trouble, away from adventurers, guard the transition period, and channel their considerable abilities in a positive direction. But noooooo, all cultures are fundamentally the same! The world is like a schoolhouse where everybody will learn democracy! Sound familiar to what major swathes of our media, economic, and political elites still subscribe to, despite all the trillions wasted and geopolitical credit blown during our last wave of humanitarian intervention missions, bringing misery to another part of the world that we refuse to understand as it is rather than how they wish it to be?

    Even worse was what happened to the south. Wilson and his ilk loathed the Hapsburg monarchy for all the reasons you'd expect-too backwards, too Catholic, too distasteful. But whatever Austria-Hungary's many and myriad problems, it was more coherent than the EU is today, and it served as a vital check on Germany and Russia. Without it, they knew Mitteleuropa would inevitably fall to Grossdeutchland or a Muscovite imperium the moment they recovered from their plunge into societal chaos. First one, then the other happened: and under totalitarian lunatics that made the Hohenzollerns and Romanovs look like monks. Central European Jews, in particular, were under no illusions that getting rid of the Hapsburgs would not turn out well for them-but I doubt they could have imagined what would occur, even in their worst nightmares.

  206. So something has to be done to handle these negative assessments of black behavior from stalling the project.

    This recalls Larry Auster’s “law of minority-majority relations.” Auster noted that within a liberal society, the more egregiously misbehaved a minority group is, the more favorably that group is treated, the more their misbehavior is covered up, the more taboo it is to notice the misbehavior, and the more culpability the white majority is said to bear.

    A few decades ago, they had it easy. Just keep perp photos out of the papers and off the local news and that sort of thing. Now, though, this sort of deception is completely impossible. At some point (and maybe we’re already there) they won’t even try to convince people of their lies but will instead simply dare us to contradict them.

  207. Admittedly I have not read every post, but it seems as though most of the discussion is about what and not why. Without understanding why, it really isn’t possible to understand what.

    Ben Tillman states

    There were only 180 million then, not 200, but that’s not the point. The point is that your question is deliberately assholish (sic) (ed: rectal?)because you know that the policies in place right now will result in genocide if not changed, and there is no known way for the target of the genocide to change those policies.

    Desiderus states

    Regular whites (especially white men) are subject to rampant, overt, and government/corporation-sponsored discrimination, demonization, and dehumanization every day and twice on Sundays. It’s not genocide yet but you’ve got to be willfully blind to history to dismiss concerns that it could get there fast.

    So, at least some of the commenters are relating the (((tribe))) controlled blackity black black slabery/Emmet Till/white nationalist propaganda machine to an ultimate goal, namely the demise of white participation in this North American society. But again, why?

    It is almost as if some forward thinkers, and I mean (((members of the tribe))), certainly not SSA, have read and believed what James Lovelock has stated, that in this century, mankind will be reduced to 400M to 500M souls eking out a living around the fringes of the Artic Ocean.

    He proposes a strategy of sustainable retreat, wherein we* give up that which cannot be saved, for example New Orleans, and migrate towards land areas that can sustain human civilization, albeit in more primitive conditions.

    If there is a crunch, (by if I mean only to pay lip service to the notion most commonly felt by people living comfortably now that things cannot get really bad b/c they are so good now) then (((people in charge of the narrative))) may very likely continue the narrative in such as way as to prevent us (by us I mean those of us who look like us and who have adopted white, middle class values) from organizing enough to prevent a genocide. By them. Against us. That will regrettably leave (((them))) in charge of dem who cannot organize a funeral procession unless someone remembers to bring the jumper cables. (crocodile tears mode off)

    A useful strategy for us might to be learn to assert pride in our culture, to assert that we made our culture, and to reject any suggestion that we should be ashamed of our ancestors mistakes. After all, our ancestors, even through their mistakes, managed to build this and not that.

    Another useful strategy might be to comprehend that the (((tribe))) is fully capable of enslaving a population of under (in their eyes) humans.

    *(sapient Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and therefore excluding SSA, aborigines, and primitive natives of the Amazonian jungles and New Guineau)

  208. @ben tillman

    What’s left?
     
    Capitalizing on a monumental blunder. Or somehow pulling just enough of our people through the collapse and aftermath to come out on the other side with the technology and access to fuel and metals that we need to recreate our technological base. Post-Rome history tells us what will happen, but it doesn't tell us who will be doing it and whether we can succeed in being part of the surviving overclass or in preserving our technological knowledge.

    Post-Rome history tells us what will happen, but it doesn’t tell us who will be doing it

    St Benedict?

  209. @Desiderius
    The fact is that there are plenty of Jews, especially Israeli Jews, on our side against Globohomocorp. If the Dork Right wants to shoot their pop guns in their backs whatever.

    Nicely said.

    “Dork right”, chuckle chuckle.
    Another Dad used to make more sense. He’s lately become paranoid and ungrammatical. Maybe he’s suffered a stroke.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He’s a good dad and probably very accomplished professionally and (rightfully) respected by his peers, so the boomercon stuff likely hit him from out of left field as it does with most boomercons. He’s smart enough to know that there’s a grain of truth to it so he’s doing the manly thing and trying to make up for it.

    But it’s really too late for that. Nobody’s perfect. The JQ isn’t putting the genie of boomer cultural neglect back in the bottle.
  210. The wife of black lesbian Chicago mayor is surprise surprise, a Jew. The baby boomer red diaper baby Jewish girls married black men.

    GenX Jewish women turn lesbian and marry black women.

    Their daughter still hasn’t declares herself a lesbian. So she hasn’t yet achieved the trifecta of intersectionality as Jussie Smollett has.

  211. @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    The Quakers were the first of the four British cultures established in the colonies to go the way of the Dodo, their influence waned a long time ago. What was left of the Old WASP establishment pretty much voluntarily threw in the towel in the early 1960s, giving up the farm system of the elites, the universities, which lead to them losing everything else they controlled.

    Jews don’t have to numerically grow within these institutions anymore. The white Gentiles have adopted their worldview increasingly with time, their viewpoints dominate despite a smaller percentage of Jews in the population. Jewish proclivities for leftist politics long predates their love of Teutonic autos. They were voting left even when Gentiles were not, they have have always voted left.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    They were voting left even when Gentiles were not, they have have always voted left.
     
    Oh yeah?


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1916.png


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1936.png


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1952.png

  212. @AndrewR
    To my knowledge, Irish Republicans, even the most militant and criminal ones, only seem to care about getting England out of Ireland. They don't seem to care about getting demanding third world immigrants out of Ireland, or about resisting the dictates of Brussels bureaucrats. I'd like to be proven wrong.

    They don’t appear to have thought things through very well, but you have to think they will at some stage. And it will probably be some kind of dramatically quick bridge on the river kwai awakening.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone

    it will probably be some kind of dramatically quick bridge on the river kwai awakening.
     
    That awakening to what was really going on came too late, if you remember the movie.
  213. Lot says:
    @AndrewR
    More of Lot's famous pilpul.

    I'm definitely not a fan of MacDonald as a person, due to some extreme viciousness towards me he condoned on his site during my more blue-pilled days, but you are simply not accurately summarizing his argument. I would correct you but, since I don't believe your summary to be in good-faith, I will give you the opportunity to backtrack.

    As for "neonazis" and "truthers", well, there is a universal tendency among humans to take kernels of truth and go too far with them. Just because there are some unreasonable people who comment on his site doesn't mean that they're always wrong about all the taboo or "fringe" claims they make. It certainly doesn't disprove MacDonald's theory.

    Your last paragraph could probably be interpreted multiple ways, but I think you're implying Jews are white and that only an ethno-masochistic Jew could hate white people. I don't think I need to explain to the commentariat here how absurd that implicit argument is.

    “As for “neonazis” and “truthers”, well, there is a universal tendency among humans to take kernels of truth and go too far with them. Just because there are some unreasonable people who comment on his site doesn’t mean that they’re always wrong about all the taboo or “fringe” claims they make. It certainly doesn’t disprove MacDonald’s theory.”

    I wasn’t talking about the comments, but the writers themselves.

  214. @Unladen Swallow
    The Quakers were the first of the four British cultures established in the colonies to go the way of the Dodo, their influence waned a long time ago. What was left of the Old WASP establishment pretty much voluntarily threw in the towel in the early 1960s, giving up the farm system of the elites, the universities, which lead to them losing everything else they controlled.

    Jews don't have to numerically grow within these institutions anymore. The white Gentiles have adopted their worldview increasingly with time, their viewpoints dominate despite a smaller percentage of Jews in the population. Jewish proclivities for leftist politics long predates their love of Teutonic autos. They were voting left even when Gentiles were not, they have have always voted left.

    They were voting left even when Gentiles were not, they have have always voted left.

    Oh yeah?



    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Uh, yeah. Were Jews a majority of voters in any area back then? Jews didn't vote for FDR? in 1936? His biggest electoral victory no less! They mostly voted for Alf Landon instead, is that what you're saying? I kinda doubt that. To paraphrase Inigo Montoya " I don't think this map means what you think it means".
    , @AnotherDad
    Reg, your maps actually make Unladen's point. (Or would if you had a more recent one.)

    First off, Jews voted overwhelmingly for the Democrats in every one of those elections, including against Eisenhower in 1952. (I don't know if there's any polling that detailed, but there isn't much doubt about what it would show.)

    But the key point is that the East Coats WASPs--now the prototypical "good whites"--were traditionally solid Republicans, and voted Republican even during Roosevelt's landslide. Even as late as 1976--a razor close election--Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut went for Ford. They even went for Bush as late as 1988, even with next door neighbor Dukakis as D candidate--though now their R vote percentage was below the national one.

    Unladen's statement is true. The Jews came off the boat voting left--and of course maning the more extreme left movements like the Communist Party--and have not moved much. The big flips have been with the gentiles. First southern whites abandoning their sectional attachment to the Democrats in the wake of civil rights and joining the mainstream white party. Then most--but not all--northern Catholics, following suit very gradually (from 70s on through Trump) as the Democrats increasingly became the Jewish dominated "coalition of the fringes" party, rather than a working class party. And finally--80s, 90s, 00s--the old WASP establishment more or less throwing in with the Jews as "good white" fellow travellers.
  215. @Lot
    Is this green-eyed jailbreaking woman part Asian?

    I think she is, but not sure.

    https://media.nbclosangeles.com/images/1940*1092/santee+escape+inmate+destiny+0406.jpg

    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/california/Law-Enforcement-Loses-Trail-Reopens-Roads-After-Inmate-Escapes-Santee-Detention-Facility-508228101.html

    She could almost pass for Lydia Brimelow.

    And “Destiny Guns” is one helluvan A/K/A.

  216. @International Jew
    Nicely said.

    "Dork right", chuckle chuckle.
    Another Dad used to make more sense. He's lately become paranoid and ungrammatical. Maybe he's suffered a stroke.

    He’s a good dad and probably very accomplished professionally and (rightfully) respected by his peers, so the boomercon stuff likely hit him from out of left field as it does with most boomercons. He’s smart enough to know that there’s a grain of truth to it so he’s doing the manly thing and trying to make up for it.

    But it’s really too late for that. Nobody’s perfect. The JQ isn’t putting the genie of boomer cultural neglect back in the bottle.

  217. @Desiderius
    No, the money that comes from most of us is withheld without a signature. The signatures that matter are those of the big donors and the Secretary of the Treasury whom they thereby select.

    I’d say we are signing plenty of controlling documents, notably ballots and most financial transactions, like tax forms.

    The agents who are supposed to execute decisions on our behalf have been co-opted in the usual ways.

  218. You can see a real rift opening up in the comments. Something’s going on.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, Heartiste has been linking Steve a lot lately.

    Also, not only is the lily-white snob ruling class able to keep themselves segregated from all the color they love, they’ve also evidently been able to segregate themselves effectively from the entire Dork Right to the extent that the Dork Right is utterly oblivious to their existence.
  219. @Mr. Anon

    I’m inclined to agree. Stalin weakened the Russian empire. Trotsky or Zinoviev would likely have made it stronger. The one thing the world did not need at that juncture was a strong Soviet Union.
     
    Indeed. Stalin believed in "socialism in one country". Trotsky's beliefs were more universal and messianic - he wanted to spread socialism throughout all of Europe. Stalin was cruel and hard on his own people, and on all the people who fell into his orbit (the captive nations of Eastern Europe). But Trotsky and his ilk would have spread misery over all of Europe, if they had the chance, as Hitler did when he got his chance.

    Frankly, Europe was better off under Dukes, Princes, and Emperors, than it was under all these vulgar petty bourgeoisie upstarts.

    That’s what I was getting at. Stalin was willing to play the opportunistic Bolshevik game when he felt he had the chance, but ultimately, he was far more grounded in Russian foreign policy tradition-and frankly, psychology-than Trotsky was. Part of the reason Cultural Revolution-era China scared everybody, its allies included, was because it resembled what Trotskyite Russia probably would have been like. Few are aware of how close the Sino-Soviet split came to going nuclear.

    Anyway, that’s one of the many reasons he beat Trotsky: the demi-intelligentsia son of ex-serfs just resonated with the average new man apparatchik way better than people like Trotsky did. The Trotskyites confused the approval of the Beautiful People in the West with the approval of the Russian masses.

    >Frankly, Europe was better off under Dukes, Princes, and Emperors, than it was under all these vulgar petty bourgeoisie upstarts.

    Agreed. Had all the German princes and dukes survived the war and been allowed to keep their traditional role in German society, the Nazis wouldn’t have had the vacuum on the center-right they needed to gain political air. Churchill himself said that the wisest thing to have done would have been to place some infant grandson of the Kaiser on the throne under an English-style constitutional monarchy. You do that, Hitler would have died embittered and penniless on society’s margins. But the US under Wilson could and did dictate terms. Britain and France were more acquainted with the realities of European politics and were less violently against the idea of monarchy. But by 1918, they were bled white, and but for US troops landing in France, would have been forced to seek some sort of deal with the Germans rather than going for victory. So the neocons and progressives of their day could and did impose their vision…

    The Germans desperately needed a benevolent, grounded authoritarian to keep them out of trouble, away from adventurers, guard the transition period, and channel their considerable abilities in a positive direction. But noooooo, all cultures are fundamentally the same! The world is like a schoolhouse where everybody will learn democracy! Sound familiar to what major swathes of our media, economic, and political elites still subscribe to, despite all the trillions wasted and geopolitical credit blown during our last wave of humanitarian intervention missions, bringing misery to another part of the world that we refuse to understand as it is rather than how they wish it to be?

    Even worse was what happened to the south. Wilson and his ilk loathed the Hapsburg monarchy for all the reasons you’d expect-too backwards, too Catholic, too distasteful. But whatever Austria-Hungary’s many and myriad problems, it was more coherent than the EU is today, and it served as a vital check on Germany and Russia. Without it, they knew Mitteleuropa would inevitably fall to Grossdeutchland or a Muscovite imperium the moment they recovered from their plunge into societal chaos. First one, then the other happened: and under totalitarian lunatics that made the Hohenzollerns and Romanovs look like monks. Central European Jews, in particular, were under no illusions that getting rid of the Hapsburgs would not turn out well for them-but I doubt they could have imagined what would occur, even in their worst nightmares.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    How would you keep the Austrian empire together when nearly everybody wanted out of it?
    , @Jack D
    While the Jews there did not suffer from Russian style pogroms, Galicia province (the piece of Poland that got carved up to Austria-Hungary) was the poorest province in the Hapsburg Empire. The Ukrainian peasant population had less than nothing and the Jewish masses in the shtetls had little more. Even absent WWI, it's hard to say how that could have been a stable situation.
  220. @Ron Unz

    “Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present.”
     
    Actually, there seems absolutely enormous evidence that the early leadership of the Bolsheviks was overwhelmingly Jewish, perhaps 80-85% Jewish in a country that was just 4% Jewish. Being over-represented by 10,000% seems pretty notable to me.

    Roughly the same degree of over-representation was true with regards to the American Communists, the German Communists, the Hungarian Communists and many of the others. Just because the MSM and academics try to cover something up doesn't change the reality.

    I discussed some of these issues at considerable length in a long article last year:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/

    My basic takeaway is that a disproportionate amount of first generation Old Bolsheviks in the USSR were Jewish, as was in the case in Poland, Hungary, etc. But in Russia, Stalin nailed most of them in the purges and turned the USSR into a more socially conservative Great Russian beast. Especially in the secret police, the difference in the ethnic makeup between the 1920s and the 1950s is very marked.

    This wasn’t too controversial to point out until relatively recently. Joachim Fest-whom nobody can seriously accuse of being anti-Semitic or at all Nazi-friendly-casually mentions the causes of Jewish attraction to utopian left-wing movements in antebellum Europe in his biography of Hitler. The biography was made in 1973: not even 50 years ago.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  221. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Will they, though?

    How many white gun owners are just LARPing when they proudly proclaim, "from my cold dead hands"? Could owning guns just be a cope for white men? Gives them *something* they can say they're doing for their race?

    In the Turner Diaries, the right wing gun owners put up the least resistance.

    How many white gun owners are just LARPing when they proudly proclaim, “from my cold dead hands”? Could owning guns just be a cope for white men? Gives them *something* they can say they’re doing for their race?
    In the Turner Diaries, the right wing gun owners put up the least resistance.

    The gun grab won’t be an all-at-once thing. It’ll be a bunch of little laws here and there beginning with mere inconveniences, and then escalating by singling out this guy or that guy for confiscation.

    I forget the exact context, but a fews years back Derb wrote about a reversal of a left/liberal initiative. He said something like, ‘Good, it means they’re still scared of us.’ I thnk that’s still true today, but it gets a little more iffy every year. When bombs are going off, troops are occupying towns and suchlike, it’s easy I would imagine to say ‘Screw it, everything’s lost anyway’ pick a gun and join a local militia. But when it’s the guy down the street, it’s also easy to think ‘Well, maybe he was beating his wife like the cops are claiming. His kids are a bunch of hooligans, and I never liked him anyway.’

  222. @ben tillman

    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?
     
    There were only 180 million then, not 200, but that's not the point. The point is that your question is deliberately assholish because you know that the policies in place right now will result in genocide if not changed, and there is no known way for the target of the genocide to change those policies.

    No one to blame but yourself. Stop spending 24/7 online and start having children. “White genocide” solved.

  223. Anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Exact opposite is true . The JQ is a means to distract from the myriad of crimes committed by China , Russia and Muslim countries that dwarf anything that Jews/Israel have done.

    Focusing on Israel/Jews while ignoring genocide and occupation in West Papua, Darfur , Biafra, Cyprus, Tibet , Xinyang, Crimea , Chechnya, Dagestan, Kurdistan, Western Sahara , Kaliningrad . Who is being used as a distraction ?
     
    You can't be serious. The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.

    Im no expert but I would surmise that the JQ itself is a fantastic suppressant of white fertility and thus a huge driver for so called white genocide.

    Millions of JQ white guys obsessing about Jews 24/7 online . Spending several hours per day reading anti jewish content and making comments online about Jews. All of this time could be spent impregnating huwyte wimmminz but instead the time is spent internalizing hate and obsessing over Jews.

    Put down your phone/ computer. End white genocide. But i suspect you are too lazy,weak and content. Anyway it’s always more comfortable to blame orhers.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Pretty sure you can rule out content. But for every minute online ten on family/community would be a good guideline.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Anyway it’s always more comfortable to blame orhers.
     
    As you prove with your post.
  224. @AndrewR
    To my knowledge, Irish Republicans, even the most militant and criminal ones, only seem to care about getting England out of Ireland. They don't seem to care about getting demanding third world immigrants out of Ireland, or about resisting the dictates of Brussels bureaucrats. I'd like to be proven wrong.

    To my knowledge, Irish Republicans, even the most militant and criminal ones, only seem to care about getting England out of Ireland. They don’t seem to care about getting demanding third world immigrants out of Ireland, or about resisting the dictates of Brussels bureaucrats. I’d like to be proven wrong.

    Agree.

    Four generations out, all that strife was at arms length for me. But “the troubles” was certainly in the news when i was a teenager.

    My general opinion was–a lack of creative flexible leadership. What should have been done is a simple repartition. Let the people who wanted to be in Ireland, be in Ireland. Let the people who wanted to be in the UK be in the UK. Yes, force people to move–swap homes, businesses, farms, etc.–or shut up. I.e. the same sort of separation we could use now in the USA.

    But what we’ve seen is the Republicans are not real republicans, real nationalists at all, but a bunch of pathetic cucky globalist douche bags. All that fighting and bombing and terrorizing–and prison time, hunger strikes, etc. etc.–against being part of Britain and bossed around by the Prots and you’re happy with dictates from Brussels and Nigerians coming into your nation? Shameful.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The cause of ending British rule in Ireland attracts people from all over the political spectrum, not just blood-and-soil nationalists. Far right, far left - everybody is involved. Like the Scottish independence movement (against which the same accusation is made), Irish republicanism is made up of a diverse group of people who disagree about many things but agree strongly about one thing. Going after Nigerians, or the EU, is not on the agenda because that would cause the movement to implode.
  225. @Cowboy shaw
    They don't appear to have thought things through very well, but you have to think they will at some stage. And it will probably be some kind of dramatically quick bridge on the river kwai awakening.

    it will probably be some kind of dramatically quick bridge on the river kwai awakening.

    That awakening to what was really going on came too late, if you remember the movie.

  226. @Jack D
    (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))),(((Sokolnikov)))

    Purge, purged, purged and purged. All four murdered by Stalin. Doesn't seem like Jews were doing that well in Stalinist Russia by the mid-30s. If the Bolshevik Jews had a heyday, it didn't last very long.

    Don’t you think “some jews were present” is a bit of a misrepresentation if 4.25/7 of the first politburo was jewish? That’s staggering. and it isn’t even mentioning other jews like (((yagoda))) and many others. The absolutely brutal period of animalisitic soviet violence was the period where the government was extremely jewish.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    About a million people died in Stalin's Great Purge (many of them Jewish Old Bolsheviks) . I'd says that was pretty brutal and can't be blamed on the Joos.
  227. @Anonymous
    Most Jews marry non-Jews (~70% amongst non-Orthodox). Jews may be able to say they're "proudly Jewish" but aside from a Birthright trip to Israel they don't live it in any significant way (and even Birthright trips are getting less popular).

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: "we are one" universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven). Jews are on the left for the same reason they buy German cars: that's what an "intelligent" "classy" person does. And they're going to stick with the obviously absurd immigration line for the same reason American conservatives refuse to make any concessions in our obviously absurd gun laws: this has become a pride issue and to give up anything to the opposition would be to admit that your whole ideology is flawed. And as with guns the negative effects of immigration are mostly confined to poor people so the middle class doesn't care, which is actually true of basically every issue in this country.

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven).

    Anon 151, my phrase “Jewish minoritarianism” is of course simplistic as boiling any social/cultural/political phenomenon down into a phrase is going to be. But you need to do a lot more reading and reasoning if the above is your understanding.

    I never indicated Jews are responsible for utopianism. Protestant utopianism has been in American since Plymouth Rock. That’s not the issue. (Though it’s certainly a part of the problem.) Christianity is universalist–has been from at least St.Paul. “Universalism” is not the issue.

    Just because Quakers and other Rainbow Prostestants now parrot minoritarianism, does not mean they invented it or drove it.

    Simply look back at what good-thinking Progressives wanted to do a century back, you’ll notice it’s in no sense “minoritarian”. The Protestant Progressives wanted everyone else to … behave like a white Protestant Progressive! They wanted my Irish Catholic cousins to shape the hell up–stop drinking and having so many babies. The wanted to uplift the debased black population–understood as a huge project. None of that is “minoritarianism” or “bad whitey!” Heck, minoritarianism wasn’t even a serious public ideology when i was a kid. White people and civilization as cancer had to wait for the “wisdom” of people like Susan Sontag.

    This isn’t complicated stuff:

    “E Pluribus unum” is not “Diversity is our greatest strength”.

    “Take up the white man’s burden” is not “white privilege”.

    These ideas are actually different kind of like “love” and “hate”.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    The Protestant Progressives wanted everyone else to … behave like a white Protestant Progressive!
     
    They still do. They’ve just convinced themselves that the big roadblock in the way of that happening is the bad behavior of actual whites. They’ve always abstracted themselves out of their own narratives (cf. Walker Percy) so their own putative whiteness doesn’t register.

    And yes they’ll be ecstatically happy when all those bad whites become a minority and all those good non-whites can finally reach their potential as Protestant progressive goodwhite snobs like you see in all the ads.
  228. @Reg Cæsar

    They were voting left even when Gentiles were not, they have have always voted left.
     
    Oh yeah?


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1916.png


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1936.png


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1952.png

    Uh, yeah. Were Jews a majority of voters in any area back then? Jews didn’t vote for FDR? in 1936? His biggest electoral victory no less! They mostly voted for Alf Landon instead, is that what you’re saying? I kinda doubt that. To paraphrase Inigo Montoya ” I don’t think this map means what you think it means”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    No, I meant "Gentiles" were voting left, for a long, long time. Just like New York Jews.

    And the scare quotes are for an insulting term which I refuse to use.

  229. @BigDickNick
    Don't you think "some jews were present" is a bit of a misrepresentation if 4.25/7 of the first politburo was jewish? That's staggering. and it isn't even mentioning other jews like (((yagoda))) and many others. The absolutely brutal period of animalisitic soviet violence was the period where the government was extremely jewish.

    About a million people died in Stalin’s Great Purge (many of them Jewish Old Bolsheviks) . I’d says that was pretty brutal and can’t be blamed on the Joos.

  230. @Reg Cæsar

    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.
     
    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.

    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?

    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.

    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.
    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?

    Reg, what’s your point? Simply that “genocide” isn’t exactly the correct term?

    You’re correct they aren’t loading us into boxcars–yet. (The future, like death, is undiscoved country.)

    However, we white gentiles are being stripped of our nations. And we are not Jews. We are not a tribal, protective, quarrellous market place people We are an open, trusting, neighborly people, designed to be around neighbors like ourselves and nations of people like ourselves. (The main reason we’ve been so easy to roll.)

    We probably need to become more tribal–more like the Jews–in order to survive. But, even if successful, we’ll also lose something in that deal. We won’t be the same people.

    Taking away our territory, our nations is a “genocidal” attack on us, designed to destroy whites as a people even if not murdering us individually. If you object to Ben calling it “genocide”, what do you want to call it?

    “Genostomp”?

    “Genosqueeze”?

    “Ethnic compression”?

    “Nationcide?”

    “The Final Solution”?

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anon
    You think Jews are " taking away our nation's" . But tell me , how many hours per day do you waste online ? How many hours per day does the average JQ obsessive waste online. ?

    Maybe yall should put down the phone and computer ,and YouTube and commenting and conspiracy theories and porn for 6 months and replace it with something else (making babies will do 100x more to stop " white genocide" than 50 billion anti Jewish comments will).

    See how you feel after 6 months. Better or worse or same ? See if you still care about conspiracy nonsense. I know WNs will not try this because like the POC they constantly deride , WNs have no self control and need to blame all their self created problems on others.
  231. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad


    The genocide of my people takes precedence over the genocide of all those others. And the genocide of my people is the reason we discuss the JQ.
     
    Yes. There were 200 million white Americans in the 1990 Census.
    What are there now? Half that? A quarter?
     
    Reg, what's your point? Simply that "genocide" isn't exactly the correct term?

    You're correct they aren't loading us into boxcars--yet. (The future, like death, is undiscoved country.)

    However, we white gentiles are being stripped of our nations. And we are not Jews. We are not a tribal, protective, quarrellous market place people We are an open, trusting, neighborly people, designed to be around neighbors like ourselves and nations of people like ourselves. (The main reason we've been so easy to roll.)

    We probably need to become more tribal--more like the Jews--in order to survive. But, even if successful, we'll also lose something in that deal. We won't be the same people.

    Taking away our territory, our nations is a "genocidal" attack on us, designed to destroy whites as a people even if not murdering us individually. If you object to Ben calling it "genocide", what do you want to call it?

    "Genostomp"?

    "Genosqueeze"?

    "Ethnic compression"?

    "Nationcide?"

    "The Final Solution"?

    You think Jews are ” taking away our nation’s” . But tell me , how many hours per day do you waste online ? How many hours per day does the average JQ obsessive waste online. ?

    Maybe yall should put down the phone and computer ,and YouTube and commenting and conspiracy theories and porn for 6 months and replace it with something else (making babies will do 100x more to stop ” white genocide” than 50 billion anti Jewish comments will).

    See how you feel after 6 months. Better or worse or same ? See if you still care about conspiracy nonsense. I know WNs will not try this because like the POC they constantly deride , WNs have no self control and need to blame all their self created problems on others.

  232. @larry lurker
    You can see a real rift opening up in the comments. Something's going on.

    Yeah, Heartiste has been linking Steve a lot lately.

    Also, not only is the lily-white snob ruling class able to keep themselves segregated from all the color they love, they’ve also evidently been able to segregate themselves effectively from the entire Dork Right to the extent that the Dork Right is utterly oblivious to their existence.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Should we refer to you then as the "Dork Center"?
  233. @Unladen Swallow
    Uh, yeah. Were Jews a majority of voters in any area back then? Jews didn't vote for FDR? in 1936? His biggest electoral victory no less! They mostly voted for Alf Landon instead, is that what you're saying? I kinda doubt that. To paraphrase Inigo Montoya " I don't think this map means what you think it means".

    No, I meant “Gentiles” were voting left, for a long, long time. Just like New York Jews.

    And the scare quotes are for an insulting term which I refuse to use.

  234. @Reg Cæsar

    They were voting left even when Gentiles were not, they have have always voted left.
     
    Oh yeah?


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1916.png


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1936.png


    http://geoelections.free.fr/USA/comtes/1952.png

    Reg, your maps actually make Unladen’s point. (Or would if you had a more recent one.)

    First off, Jews voted overwhelmingly for the Democrats in every one of those elections, including against Eisenhower in 1952. (I don’t know if there’s any polling that detailed, but there isn’t much doubt about what it would show.)

    But the key point is that the East Coats WASPs–now the prototypical “good whites”–were traditionally solid Republicans, and voted Republican even during Roosevelt’s landslide. Even as late as 1976–a razor close election–Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut went for Ford. They even went for Bush as late as 1988, even with next door neighbor Dukakis as D candidate–though now their R vote percentage was below the national one.

    Unladen’s statement is true. The Jews came off the boat voting left–and of course maning the more extreme left movements like the Communist Party–and have not moved much. The big flips have been with the gentiles. First southern whites abandoning their sectional attachment to the Democrats in the wake of civil rights and joining the mainstream white party. Then most–but not all–northern Catholics, following suit very gradually (from 70s on through Trump) as the Democrats increasingly became the Jewish dominated “coalition of the fringes” party, rather than a working class party. And finally–80s, 90s, 00s–the old WASP establishment more or less throwing in with the Jews as “good white” fellow travellers.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It sounds nice but it’s just wrong. The red diaper babies were far from all Jews, and the R-voting WASPs were globalists from Dec 7, 1941 on. The Ds were the nativist party until there weren’t enough left to support one.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/time42.htm
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut went for Ford. They even went for Bush as late as 1988, even with next door neighbor Dukakis as D candidate
     
    Even? I would say especially. "Massholes" are not popular with their neighbors.
  235. @Anon
    Im no expert but I would surmise that the JQ itself is a fantastic suppressant of white fertility and thus a huge driver for so called white genocide.

    Millions of JQ white guys obsessing about Jews 24/7 online . Spending several hours per day reading anti jewish content and making comments online about Jews. All of this time could be spent impregnating huwyte wimmminz but instead the time is spent internalizing hate and obsessing over Jews.

    Put down your phone/ computer. End white genocide. But i suspect you are too lazy,weak and content. Anyway it's always more comfortable to blame orhers.

    Pretty sure you can rule out content. But for every minute online ten on family/community would be a good guideline.

  236. @Mr. Anon
    England has often been pretty shitty. I'm thinking especially of their efforts to draw us into their wars, and the (former) propensity of their ruling class to view American men as their reserve army. And it isn't merely America they've abused in this way. They often acted disgracefully towards their own colonies and even their own people.

    But they are nowadays nothing like the albatross that our best little buddy in the Mideast has become.

    I have no sympathy for England or “The Kingdom” at all. Not at all. I am just writing about things as I see them, and I agree with what you said.

    I keep going back to George Washington, who never would have set foot on English soil. He more than anyone knew, from experience, the snobbery and detachment of England.

    There is a statue of Washington there in England. Guess what. It stands on stone brought over from America. This is because people involved knew that George himself would never, ever, have stood on British soil.

    So, that statue of our first president stands upon a rock that was shipped over from America.

  237. @AnotherDad
    Reg, your maps actually make Unladen's point. (Or would if you had a more recent one.)

    First off, Jews voted overwhelmingly for the Democrats in every one of those elections, including against Eisenhower in 1952. (I don't know if there's any polling that detailed, but there isn't much doubt about what it would show.)

    But the key point is that the East Coats WASPs--now the prototypical "good whites"--were traditionally solid Republicans, and voted Republican even during Roosevelt's landslide. Even as late as 1976--a razor close election--Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut went for Ford. They even went for Bush as late as 1988, even with next door neighbor Dukakis as D candidate--though now their R vote percentage was below the national one.

    Unladen's statement is true. The Jews came off the boat voting left--and of course maning the more extreme left movements like the Communist Party--and have not moved much. The big flips have been with the gentiles. First southern whites abandoning their sectional attachment to the Democrats in the wake of civil rights and joining the mainstream white party. Then most--but not all--northern Catholics, following suit very gradually (from 70s on through Trump) as the Democrats increasingly became the Jewish dominated "coalition of the fringes" party, rather than a working class party. And finally--80s, 90s, 00s--the old WASP establishment more or less throwing in with the Jews as "good white" fellow travellers.

    It sounds nice but it’s just wrong. The red diaper babies were far from all Jews, and the R-voting WASPs were globalists from Dec 7, 1941 on. The Ds were the nativist party until there weren’t enough left to support one.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/time42.htm

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The head of the Communist Party of the USA was Gus Hall (born Arvo Kustaa Halberg) - a pure blooded Finn from the Iron Range of Minnesota. The great American socialist hero was Eugene V. Debs (the Yiddish radio station in NY, WEVD, was named in his honor). He was from Indiana and of French ancestry. The Yankee bastions of rural New England stayed loyal to the Grand Old Party until rural NE went hippie with big city imports like Bernie Sanders, but the industrial Midwest always had a nativist Leftist streak that had nothing to do with the Joos poisoning their pure Protestant minds. Once the Democrat Party became more concerned with social issues and shifted away from the paycheck issues that concerned them (and once those workers found themselves more in the middle class - now they were Joe the Plumber, not Joe the exploited mine worker) they moved to the right (and took Trump into the White House). It would be interesting to see how the great grandpas of the blue collar whites who voted for Trump voted in say 1936 - I would bet they voted for Roosevelt.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    and the R-voting WASPs were globalists from Dec 7, 1941 on.
     
    Hardly. Though their leadership, especially in the churches, saw the writing. More money and honor in dysgenics than in eugenics, which they abandoned.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Southern white Democratic senators were big supporters of FDR's anti-German policy in 1939-40.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Can you name some prominent WASP red-diaper babies?
  238. @AnotherDad

    As usual your posts are emotive and ahistorical: “we are one” universalism was in origin a movement of Northeastern Protestants (Quakers especially). It was later adopted by Jews in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to the Anglo power structure (the great dream of every American Jew is to be a WASP in heaven).
     
    Anon 151, my phrase "Jewish minoritarianism" is of course simplistic as boiling any social/cultural/political phenomenon down into a phrase is going to be. But you need to do a lot more reading and reasoning if the above is your understanding.

    I never indicated Jews are responsible for utopianism. Protestant utopianism has been in American since Plymouth Rock. That's not the issue. (Though it's certainly a part of the problem.) Christianity is universalist--has been from at least St.Paul. "Universalism" is not the issue.

    Just because Quakers and other Rainbow Prostestants now parrot minoritarianism, does not mean they invented it or drove it.

    Simply look back at what good-thinking Progressives wanted to do a century back, you'll notice it's in no sense "minoritarian". The Protestant Progressives wanted everyone else to ... behave like a white Protestant Progressive! They wanted my Irish Catholic cousins to shape the hell up--stop drinking and having so many babies. The wanted to uplift the debased black population--understood as a huge project. None of that is "minoritarianism" or "bad whitey!" Heck, minoritarianism wasn't even a serious public ideology when i was a kid. White people and civilization as cancer had to wait for the "wisdom" of people like Susan Sontag.

    This isn't complicated stuff:

    "E Pluribus unum" is not "Diversity is our greatest strength".

    "Take up the white man's burden" is not "white privilege".

    These ideas are actually different kind of like "love" and "hate".

    The Protestant Progressives wanted everyone else to … behave like a white Protestant Progressive!

    They still do. They’ve just convinced themselves that the big roadblock in the way of that happening is the bad behavior of actual whites. They’ve always abstracted themselves out of their own narratives (cf. Walker Percy) so their own putative whiteness doesn’t register.

    And yes they’ll be ecstatically happy when all those bad whites become a minority and all those good non-whites can finally reach their potential as Protestant progressive goodwhite snobs like you see in all the ads.

  239. @Anon

    The nationalist movement is about actual nations: Brazil, Hungary, America, Poland, Italy, Japan, the UK, and yes Israel. It’s not about imaginary bullshit like civic nationalism or white nationalism.
     
    The only "imaginary bullshit" in your statement is the implication that nationalism is based on paperwork and not racially-rooted ethnicity that is the core facilitator of political cooperation (and thus political power, and thus politically effective nationalism) across any people.

    Your version of "nationalism" is a form of internationalism. It would argue that I am politically closer to Tyrone who lives three blocks away and who I pass while he is walking his dog than I am to Franz who is thousands of miles away and who I have never met. Which is laughably ridiculous notion.

    Israeli-Jewish nationalism is a form of racial nationalism, but I enjoyed watching you clumsily try to lump it in with the paperwork nationalism that you only half heartedly try to advocate for while condemning racial nationalism. It was a weak effort, but you get a C for its predictible inclusion nevertheless.

    Civic nationalism, and I agree that it is bullshit (though shared civic values are a secondary result of real nationalism), is still less bullshit than your paperwork-multiracial geographic "nationalism".

    You are deceiving yourself to an absurd level, or perhaps merely trying to vainly deceive others, if you believe that the nationalist movement is about anything but race. The only time when I've read similar claims are when Bill Kristol was trying to self-sooth on twitter when he asserted that Brexit was not about race. You people can attempt to self-sooth away from reality, but know when you attempt to do it with public statements it only makes you look like you cannot deal with reality how it actually is and everyone else knows it to be.

    It looks like promoting some kind of fake, multi-racial ‘murican nationalism is the new neocon strategy. It’s a bait and switch. Tell white Americans “okay, you can have nationalism too just like the Israelis and Chinese do.” Then the fine print says our nationalism has no ethnic component, anyone can be part of it and we can’t define it or decide who is in or out.

    In other words, they are trying to sell us the exact same situation we have now with a new name.

    This will work on boomers.

    • Troll: Desiderius
  240. @Desiderius
    It sounds nice but it’s just wrong. The red diaper babies were far from all Jews, and the R-voting WASPs were globalists from Dec 7, 1941 on. The Ds were the nativist party until there weren’t enough left to support one.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/time42.htm

    The head of the Communist Party of the USA was Gus Hall (born Arvo Kustaa Halberg) – a pure blooded Finn from the Iron Range of Minnesota. The great American socialist hero was Eugene V. Debs (the Yiddish radio station in NY, WEVD, was named in his honor). He was from Indiana and of French ancestry. The Yankee bastions of rural New England stayed loyal to the Grand Old Party until rural NE went hippie with big city imports like Bernie Sanders, but the industrial Midwest always had a nativist Leftist streak that had nothing to do with the Joos poisoning their pure Protestant minds. Once the Democrat Party became more concerned with social issues and shifted away from the paycheck issues that concerned them (and once those workers found themselves more in the middle class – now they were Joe the Plumber, not Joe the exploited mine worker) they moved to the right (and took Trump into the White House). It would be interesting to see how the great grandpas of the blue collar whites who voted for Trump voted in say 1936 – I would bet they voted for Roosevelt.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    The head of the Communist Party of the USA was Gus Hall (born Arvo Kustaa Halberg) – a pure blooded Finn from the Iron Range of Minnesota.
     
    Well, of course, that's exactly the reason the Party put him up there even though such an astonishing fraction of the CP leadership were Jewish. Aren't you familiar with the word "token" or the old joke that the only black usually found at a Republican Party conference is the keynote speaker?

    Here's an excerpt from my long article on the topic:

    Jews and Communism were just as strongly tied together in America, and for years the largest circulation Communist newspaper in our country was published in Yiddish. When they were finally released, the Venona Decrypts demonstrated that even as late as the 1930s and 1940s, a remarkable fraction of America’s Communist spies came from that ethnic background.

    A personal anecdote tends to confirm these dry historical records. During the early 2000s I once had lunch with an elderly and very eminent computer scientist, with whom I’d become a little friendly. While talking about this and that, he happened to mention that both his parents had been zealous Communists, and given his obvious Irish name, I expressed my surprise, saying that I’d thought almost all the Communists of that era were Jewish. He said that was indeed the case, but although his mother had such an ethnic background, his father did not, which made him a very rare exception in their political circles. As a consequence, the Party had always sought to place him in as prominent a public role as possible just to prove that not all Communists were Jews, and although he obeyed Party discipline, he was always irritated at being used as such a “token.”
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/
  241. This is what white ruling class dual loyalty looks like:

    https://www.knoxnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/george-korda/2019/04/05/there-race-problem-university-tennessee/3341658002/

    The students subjected to this abuse are citizens of the city of Knoxville, the state of Tennessee, and the United States of America. The Don Quixotes responsible for this farce should be sent to the funny farm where they belong.

  242. @IC8
    Huh? If you're against both racial/ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism, what else is there? What exactly does "American nationalism" mean to you? Also LOL at claiming Brazil is a "real nation".

    The United States of America. The country of my birth, chosen by my ancestors, built and defended by their children.

    The real world. Facts. Reality. The concrete.

    Get out of your abstract fantasy lands and live.

  243. @Jack D
    The head of the Communist Party of the USA was Gus Hall (born Arvo Kustaa Halberg) - a pure blooded Finn from the Iron Range of Minnesota. The great American socialist hero was Eugene V. Debs (the Yiddish radio station in NY, WEVD, was named in his honor). He was from Indiana and of French ancestry. The Yankee bastions of rural New England stayed loyal to the Grand Old Party until rural NE went hippie with big city imports like Bernie Sanders, but the industrial Midwest always had a nativist Leftist streak that had nothing to do with the Joos poisoning their pure Protestant minds. Once the Democrat Party became more concerned with social issues and shifted away from the paycheck issues that concerned them (and once those workers found themselves more in the middle class - now they were Joe the Plumber, not Joe the exploited mine worker) they moved to the right (and took Trump into the White House). It would be interesting to see how the great grandpas of the blue collar whites who voted for Trump voted in say 1936 - I would bet they voted for Roosevelt.

    The head of the Communist Party of the USA was Gus Hall (born Arvo Kustaa Halberg) – a pure blooded Finn from the Iron Range of Minnesota.

    Well, of course, that’s exactly the reason the Party put him up there even though such an astonishing fraction of the CP leadership were Jewish. Aren’t you familiar with the word “token” or the old joke that the only black usually found at a Republican Party conference is the keynote speaker?

    Here’s an excerpt from my long article on the topic:

    Jews and Communism were just as strongly tied together in America, and for years the largest circulation Communist newspaper in our country was published in Yiddish. When they were finally released, the Venona Decrypts demonstrated that even as late as the 1930s and 1940s, a remarkable fraction of America’s Communist spies came from that ethnic background.

    A personal anecdote tends to confirm these dry historical records. During the early 2000s I once had lunch with an elderly and very eminent computer scientist, with whom I’d become a little friendly. While talking about this and that, he happened to mention that both his parents had been zealous Communists, and given his obvious Irish name, I expressed my surprise, saying that I’d thought almost all the Communists of that era were Jewish. He said that was indeed the case, but although his mother had such an ethnic background, his father did not, which made him a very rare exception in their political circles. As a consequence, the Party had always sought to place him in as prominent a public role as possible just to prove that not all Communists were Jews, and although he obeyed Party discipline, he was always irritated at being used as such a “token.”

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/

    • Replies: @Anon
    Ron ,
    Why should Jack D or anyone else give any credence to your writings about Jews when you clearly preface all of your writings with the disclaimer that you are not an expert and you are not sure your sources are accurate ?

    To say nothing of your extreme biases. You come across as the male mirror image of the late 30s unmarried, infertile female sjw fanatic. You are late 50s ,unmarriageable ( even with high wealth) no children and going crazier and more fanatical year by year.

    Don't take this as an insult ,but in many ways you fit the likely profile of a closeted and self hating homosexual. Gay lips.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Well, of course, that’s exactly the reason the Party put him up there even though such an astonishing fraction of the CP leadership were Jewish. Aren’t you familiar with the word “token”...
     
    Communists were so often Jews and Irishmen because a) the unhappy ones didn't have their own country to go back to, like the Italians and Germans did, and b) it was a continuation of racial resentments, understandable as they might have been, their families had already nursed abroad.

    Finns didn't hate goys or Anglo-Saxons. Their resentment was aimed at Swedes and Russians. The ones who hated Swedes came to America and some became Communists. The ones who hated Russians stayed home and fought them again and again.

    I've noticed that Norwegians in the Upper Midwest are far more ethnically aware and vocal than their Swedish and Danish brethren. Syttende Mai is celebrated in many towns and cities. Norway was under Danish, then Swedish, control for centuries.

    https://cdn-az.allevents.in/banners/faa63e06a0571c05c3d3744fcf4540f8

  244. @BigDickNick
    "Nor was the Soviet leadership “overwhelmingly Jewish” although some Jews were present."

    The first Politburo: Lenin(mixed), (((Zinoviev))), (((Kamenev))), (((Trotsky))), Stalin, (((Sokolnikov))) and Bubnov.

    That's a pretty big cohencidence!

    A couple of years ago I saw these back and forths about how the Bolshies were or were not dominated by Jews.

    Being naive, I thought the logical thing to do was to actually find out the facts and see if the claim was true.

    I researched it, and discovered that for such a hotly debated topic, it is astonishingly difficult to find quantification.

    So I started posting at various sites to see if anybody else could help me determine the actual facts of the case. I having zero predetermines on the issue.

    Oh, boy.

    Denunciations of me flew fast and furious for simply asking for data. Apparently one is supposed to simply accept the consensus that Jews were not over-represented among Bolshies without trying to prove or disprove it.

    When people appear to be so desperate to prevent thorough examination of an issue, it leads a logical person to suspect they’re afraid of what might be found. As when progressives assert with authority that there are no inherent average intellectual differences between ethnies, but go into hysterics when someone proposes a study to prove this hypothesis.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  245. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    The head of the Communist Party of the USA was Gus Hall (born Arvo Kustaa Halberg) – a pure blooded Finn from the Iron Range of Minnesota.
     
    Well, of course, that's exactly the reason the Party put him up there even though such an astonishing fraction of the CP leadership were Jewish. Aren't you familiar with the word "token" or the old joke that the only black usually found at a Republican Party conference is the keynote speaker?

    Here's an excerpt from my long article on the topic:

    Jews and Communism were just as strongly tied together in America, and for years the largest circulation Communist newspaper in our country was published in Yiddish. When they were finally released, the Venona Decrypts demonstrated that even as late as the 1930s and 1940s, a remarkable fraction of America’s Communist spies came from that ethnic background.

    A personal anecdote tends to confirm these dry historical records. During the early 2000s I once had lunch with an elderly and very eminent computer scientist, with whom I’d become a little friendly. While talking about this and that, he happened to mention that both his parents had been zealous Communists, and given his obvious Irish name, I expressed my surprise, saying that I’d thought almost all the Communists of that era were Jewish. He said that was indeed the case, but although his mother had such an ethnic background, his father did not, which made him a very rare exception in their political circles. As a consequence, the Party had always sought to place him in as prominent a public role as possible just to prove that not all Communists were Jews, and although he obeyed Party discipline, he was always irritated at being used as such a “token.”
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/

    Ron ,
    Why should Jack D or anyone else give any credence to your writings about Jews when you clearly preface all of your writings with the disclaimer that you are not an expert and you are not sure your sources are accurate ?

    To say nothing of your extreme biases. You come across as the male mirror image of the late 30s unmarried, infertile female sjw fanatic. You are late 50s ,unmarriageable ( even with high wealth) no children and going crazier and more fanatical year by year.

    Don’t take this as an insult ,but in many ways you fit the likely profile of a closeted and self hating homosexual. Gay lips.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    You argue like a woman.
    , @Ron Unz

    Why should Jack D or anyone else give any credence to your writings about Jews when you clearly preface all of your writings with the disclaimer that you are not an expert and you are not sure your sources are accurate ?
     
    Actually, as I mentioned in my long article, I had always considered myself reasonably knowledgeable about Russian Bolshevik history given that back in my college/grad school days I'd read roughly 100 major books in that general topic. And as I emphasize, that's exactly why I was so *utterly* astonished fifteen-odd years ago to discover that I knew so little of the true history of that era.

    Regardless of my own scholarly limitations, my article does provide a cornucopia of references and links, allowing anyone interested to read them and decide for themselves. Moreover, the 115,000 words of comments that followed provided a lively give-and-take on all those contentious issues.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/
    , @anonymous
    wwebd said - I am gonna call bullshit on your insult here.

    I have always assumed Unz was a family guy, with a nice wife and several kids.

    If he isn't, he can wake up tomorrow and decide he wants a good looking wife and he can get one if he wants. Even Dirac and Godel got hot wives and they had almost no cash.

    Most guys are unattractive to most women most of the time, including me, but women like guys who do things. And there are always women who like guys with cash. Women don't judge men as harshly as you did. You sound a little gay yourself, so maybe you don't get it.

    Trust me, women do not care if a guy is in his late 50s, if they are in their 40s.

    And trust me on this, there are millions of hot women in their 40s.

    That being said, obviously Unz has issues with Jews. Well so does every Saudi prince and they rarely suffer from that deficiency of intellect.

  246. @AnotherDad
    Reg, your maps actually make Unladen's point. (Or would if you had a more recent one.)

    First off, Jews voted overwhelmingly for the Democrats in every one of those elections, including against Eisenhower in 1952. (I don't know if there's any polling that detailed, but there isn't much doubt about what it would show.)

    But the key point is that the East Coats WASPs--now the prototypical "good whites"--were traditionally solid Republicans, and voted Republican even during Roosevelt's landslide. Even as late as 1976--a razor close election--Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut went for Ford. They even went for Bush as late as 1988, even with next door neighbor Dukakis as D candidate--though now their R vote percentage was below the national one.

    Unladen's statement is true. The Jews came off the boat voting left--and of course maning the more extreme left movements like the Communist Party--and have not moved much. The big flips have been with the gentiles. First southern whites abandoning their sectional attachment to the Democrats in the wake of civil rights and joining the mainstream white party. Then most--but not all--northern Catholics, following suit very gradually (from 70s on through Trump) as the Democrats increasingly became the Jewish dominated "coalition of the fringes" party, rather than a working class party. And finally--80s, 90s, 00s--the old WASP establishment more or less throwing in with the Jews as "good white" fellow travellers.

    Even? I would say especially. “Massholes” are not popular with their neighbors.

  247. @Desiderius
    It sounds nice but it’s just wrong. The red diaper babies were far from all Jews, and the R-voting WASPs were globalists from Dec 7, 1941 on. The Ds were the nativist party until there weren’t enough left to support one.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/time42.htm

    and the R-voting WASPs were globalists from Dec 7, 1941 on.

    Hardly. Though their leadership, especially in the churches, saw the writing. More money and honor in dysgenics than in eugenics, which they abandoned.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Their (our, this is my people we’re talking about) leaders were the writers. And we followed with gusto. Nativists don’t nominate Eisenhower.

    Whether that was a mistake or not is beside the point, which is to establish what happened.
  248. @Ron Unz

    The head of the Communist Party of the USA was Gus Hall (born Arvo Kustaa Halberg) – a pure blooded Finn from the Iron Range of Minnesota.
     
    Well, of course, that's exactly the reason the Party put him up there even though such an astonishing fraction of the CP leadership were Jewish. Aren't you familiar with the word "token" or the old joke that the only black usually found at a Republican Party conference is the keynote speaker?

    Here's an excerpt from my long article on the topic:

    Jews and Communism were just as strongly tied together in America, and for years the largest circulation Communist newspaper in our country was published in Yiddish. When they were finally released, the Venona Decrypts demonstrated that even as late as the 1930s and 1940s, a remarkable fraction of America’s Communist spies came from that ethnic background.

    A personal anecdote tends to confirm these dry historical records. During the early 2000s I once had lunch with an elderly and very eminent computer scientist, with whom I’d become a little friendly. While talking about this and that, he happened to mention that both his parents had been zealous Communists, and given his obvious Irish name, I expressed my surprise, saying that I’d thought almost all the Communists of that era were Jewish. He said that was indeed the case, but although his mother had such an ethnic background, his father did not, which made him a very rare exception in their political circles. As a consequence, the Party had always sought to place him in as prominent a public role as possible just to prove that not all Communists were Jews, and although he obeyed Party discipline, he was always irritated at being used as such a “token.”
     
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/

    Well, of course, that’s exactly the reason the Party put him up there even though such an astonishing fraction of the CP leadership were Jewish. Aren’t you familiar with the word “token”…

    Communists were so often Jews and Irishmen because a) the unhappy ones didn’t have their own country to go back to, like the Italians and Germans did, and b) it was a continuation of racial resentments, understandable as they might have been, their families had already nursed abroad.

    Finns didn’t hate goys or Anglo-Saxons. Their resentment was aimed at Swedes and Russians. The ones who hated Swedes came to America and some became Communists. The ones who hated Russians stayed home and fought them again and again.

    I’ve noticed that Norwegians in the Upper Midwest are far more ethnically aware and vocal than their Swedish and Danish brethren. Syttende Mai is celebrated in many towns and cities. Norway was under Danish, then Swedish, control for centuries.

    https://cdn-az.allevents.in/banners/faa63e06a0571c05c3d3744fcf4540f8

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Irish-Americans were notoriously overrepresented in the Communist Party? Wild stuff.
    , @Ron Unz

    Communists were so often Jews and Irishmen
     
    I really don't think that correct. While it's true that lots of radicals had been Irish, especially around the turn of the century with the Wobblies and the Mine Workers, I'm not sure I can think of a single prominent Communist leader who was Irish during the 1930s or later. The overwhelming role of Irish leaders was on the other side, like Sens. McCarthy and McCarran.

    Based on the Venona Decrypts, I'd say that roughly 70-80% of the more important Communist spies were Jewish, and nearly all of the remainder were WASPS like Alger Hiss and Laurence Duggan.
  249. @Anon
    Ron ,
    Why should Jack D or anyone else give any credence to your writings about Jews when you clearly preface all of your writings with the disclaimer that you are not an expert and you are not sure your sources are accurate ?

    To say nothing of your extreme biases. You come across as the male mirror image of the late 30s unmarried, infertile female sjw fanatic. You are late 50s ,unmarriageable ( even with high wealth) no children and going crazier and more fanatical year by year.

    Don't take this as an insult ,but in many ways you fit the likely profile of a closeted and self hating homosexual. Gay lips.

    You argue like a woman.

  250. @Reg Cæsar

    Well, of course, that’s exactly the reason the Party put him up there even though such an astonishing fraction of the CP leadership were Jewish. Aren’t you familiar with the word “token”...
     
    Communists were so often Jews and Irishmen because a) the unhappy ones didn't have their own country to go back to, like the Italians and Germans did, and b) it was a continuation of racial resentments, understandable as they might have been, their families had already nursed abroad.

    Finns didn't hate goys or Anglo-Saxons. Their resentment was aimed at Swedes and Russians. The ones who hated Swedes came to America and some became Communists. The ones who hated Russians stayed home and fought them again and again.

    I've noticed that Norwegians in the Upper Midwest are far more ethnically aware and vocal than their Swedish and Danish brethren. Syttende Mai is celebrated in many towns and cities. Norway was under Danish, then Swedish, control for centuries.

    https://cdn-az.allevents.in/banners/faa63e06a0571c05c3d3744fcf4540f8

    Irish-Americans were notoriously overrepresented in the Communist Party? Wild stuff.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Irish-Americans were notoriously overrepresented in the Communist Party? Wild stuff
     
    In the labor movement in general. Is there a difference?
  251. @Anon
    Ron ,
    Why should Jack D or anyone else give any credence to your writings about Jews when you clearly preface all of your writings with the disclaimer that you are not an expert and you are not sure your sources are accurate ?

    To say nothing of your extreme biases. You come across as the male mirror image of the late 30s unmarried, infertile female sjw fanatic. You are late 50s ,unmarriageable ( even with high wealth) no children and going crazier and more fanatical year by year.

    Don't take this as an insult ,but in many ways you fit the likely profile of a closeted and self hating homosexual. Gay lips.

    Why should Jack D or anyone else give any credence to your writings about Jews when you clearly preface all of your writings with the disclaimer that you are not an expert and you are not sure your sources are accurate ?

    Actually, as I mentioned in my long article, I had always considered myself reasonably knowledgeable about Russian Bolshevik history given that back in my college/grad school days I’d read roughly 100 major books in that general topic. And as I emphasize, that’s exactly why I was so *utterly* astonished fifteen-odd years ago to discover that I knew so little of the true history of that era.

    Regardless of my own scholarly limitations, my article does provide a cornucopia of references and links, allowing anyone interested to read them and decide for themselves. Moreover, the 115,000 words of comments that followed provided a lively give-and-take on all those contentious issues.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/

  252. @Desiderius
    It sounds nice but it’s just wrong. The red diaper babies were far from all Jews, and the R-voting WASPs were globalists from Dec 7, 1941 on. The Ds were the nativist party until there weren’t enough left to support one.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/time42.htm

    Southern white Democratic senators were big supporters of FDR’s anti-German policy in 1939-40.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Well yeah, that’s where the German constituents weren’t and they needed to stay on FDR’s good side to keep sweet, sweet New Deal money rolling in.

    The architects of Bretton Woods weren’t from Mayberry.

    , @Hibernian
    I think part of it was that Southerners love to fight.
  253. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The Jews really do get up in arms, eh? Impossible to have a discussion in which they are introspective. *Nothing* is our fault, they say. We, are the chosen people.

    Of course, it would also be wrong to blame Jews for *everything*, as some do. But Jews should also be aware of their roles in horrific atrocities and ideologies.

    Talk to an average WASP, he will say, no I don't hate myself, but , we fucked up doing x,y,z. With a Jew it's just deflect, deflect, deflect.

    Anyways, enjoy being run off the map once whites are a minority. It'll be worse for you than for us. But at least you didn't have to be introspective and honest.

    Anyways, enjoy being run off the map once whites are a minority. It’ll be worse for you than for us. But at least you didn’t have to be introspective and honest.

    People keep saying this but what evidence is there for it? History shows that Jews thrive in multicultural societies. However good things are now, they’re only going to get better as America becomes more diverse.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter

    People keep saying this but what evidence is there for it? History shows that Jews thrive in multicultural societies. However good things are now, they’re only going to get better as America becomes more diverse.
     
    Many people take a linear view of things, but they have been run out of lots of countries.

    Was it because they could not force diversity down the throat of those people?
    , @Jack D

    However good things are now, they’re only going to get better as America becomes more diverse.
     
    I can't wait until Ilhan Omar is in the White House. Things are going to be so damn good for the Jews then that they won't believe it.
  254. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    McIntosh isn’t our own people. Ask her.

    That’s why white nationalism in the American context is incoherent.

    The idea that poor whites are some kind of privileged elite is so obviously false that only a fool could believe it. McIntosh is a low-watt bulb. In a healthy society she would be ignored. Instead she’s showered with praise. How is this different to cheering an imbecile or drunkard as he self-harms?

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    The idea that poor whites are some kind of privileged elite is so obviously false
     
    Yeah, no shit Sherlock.
  255. @Anonymous

    Anyways, enjoy being run off the map once whites are a minority. It’ll be worse for you than for us. But at least you didn’t have to be introspective and honest.
     
    People keep saying this but what evidence is there for it? History shows that Jews thrive in multicultural societies. However good things are now, they're only going to get better as America becomes more diverse.

    People keep saying this but what evidence is there for it? History shows that Jews thrive in multicultural societies. However good things are now, they’re only going to get better as America becomes more diverse.

    Many people take a linear view of things, but they have been run out of lots of countries.

    Was it because they could not force diversity down the throat of those people?

  256. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    To my knowledge, Irish Republicans, even the most militant and criminal ones, only seem to care about getting England out of Ireland. They don’t seem to care about getting demanding third world immigrants out of Ireland, or about resisting the dictates of Brussels bureaucrats. I’d like to be proven wrong.
     
    Agree.

    Four generations out, all that strife was at arms length for me. But "the troubles" was certainly in the news when i was a teenager.

    My general opinion was--a lack of creative flexible leadership. What should have been done is a simple repartition. Let the people who wanted to be in Ireland, be in Ireland. Let the people who wanted to be in the UK be in the UK. Yes, force people to move--swap homes, businesses, farms, etc.--or shut up. I.e. the same sort of separation we could use now in the USA.


    But what we've seen is the Republicans are not real republicans, real nationalists at all, but a bunch of pathetic cucky globalist douche bags. All that fighting and bombing and terrorizing--and prison time, hunger strikes, etc. etc.--against being part of Britain and bossed around by the Prots and you're happy with dictates from Brussels and Nigerians coming into your nation? Shameful.

    The cause of ending British rule in Ireland attracts people from all over the political spectrum, not just blood-and-soil nationalists. Far right, far left – everybody is involved. Like the Scottish independence movement (against which the same accusation is made), Irish republicanism is made up of a diverse group of people who disagree about many things but agree strongly about one thing. Going after Nigerians, or the EU, is not on the agenda because that would cause the movement to implode.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  257. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    That's what I was getting at. Stalin was willing to play the opportunistic Bolshevik game when he felt he had the chance, but ultimately, he was far more grounded in Russian foreign policy tradition-and frankly, psychology-than Trotsky was. Part of the reason Cultural Revolution-era China scared everybody, its allies included, was because it resembled what Trotskyite Russia probably would have been like. Few are aware of how close the Sino-Soviet split came to going nuclear.

    Anyway, that's one of the many reasons he beat Trotsky: the demi-intelligentsia son of ex-serfs just resonated with the average new man apparatchik way better than people like Trotsky did. The Trotskyites confused the approval of the Beautiful People in the West with the approval of the Russian masses.

    >Frankly, Europe was better off under Dukes, Princes, and Emperors, than it was under all these vulgar petty bourgeoisie upstarts.

    Agreed. Had all the German princes and dukes survived the war and been allowed to keep their traditional role in German society, the Nazis wouldn't have had the vacuum on the center-right they needed to gain political air. Churchill himself said that the wisest thing to have done would have been to place some infant grandson of the Kaiser on the throne under an English-style constitutional monarchy. You do that, Hitler would have died embittered and penniless on society's margins. But the US under Wilson could and did dictate terms. Britain and France were more acquainted with the realities of European politics and were less violently against the idea of monarchy. But by 1918, they were bled white, and but for US troops landing in France, would have been forced to seek some sort of deal with the Germans rather than going for victory. So the neocons and progressives of their day could and did impose their vision...

    The Germans desperately needed a benevolent, grounded authoritarian to keep them out of trouble, away from adventurers, guard the transition period, and channel their considerable abilities in a positive direction. But noooooo, all cultures are fundamentally the same! The world is like a schoolhouse where everybody will learn democracy! Sound familiar to what major swathes of our media, economic, and political elites still subscribe to, despite all the trillions wasted and geopolitical credit blown during our last wave of humanitarian intervention missions, bringing misery to another part of the world that we refuse to understand as it is rather than how they wish it to be?

    Even worse was what happened to the south. Wilson and his ilk loathed the Hapsburg monarchy for all the reasons you'd expect-too backwards, too Catholic, too distasteful. But whatever Austria-Hungary's many and myriad problems, it was more coherent than the EU is today, and it served as a vital check on Germany and Russia. Without it, they knew Mitteleuropa would inevitably fall to Grossdeutchland or a Muscovite imperium the moment they recovered from their plunge into societal chaos. First one, then the other happened: and under totalitarian lunatics that made the Hohenzollerns and Romanovs look like monks. Central European Jews, in particular, were under no illusions that getting rid of the Hapsburgs would not turn out well for them-but I doubt they could have imagined what would occur, even in their worst nightmares.

    How would you keep the Austrian empire together when nearly everybody wanted out of it?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Make it a federation or confederation. That wouldn't have been acceptable to everyone but there could have been a smaller Austro-Hungarian Confederation that avoided most of the nationalistic bullying and ethnic cleansing that we saw in the decades after Versailles.
    , @nebulafox
    There were proposals to federalize Austria-Hungary before the war, as Cagey Beast alludes to. As I've mentioned in other comments, the imperial project would have become untenable if the Slavic peoples were not given the same kind of deal that the Magyars got. Alone at the court, the ill-fated Franz Ferdinand-who was married to a Czech-seemed to understand this and would have likely pursued something like this in power:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Greater_Austria

    And of course, had he not been shot in Sarajevo, he would have ascended to the throne in 1916.

    Would it have worked? I have no idea. But there's nowhere really to go but up from what happened in our timeline, one of the few times in speculative alternate history you can genuinely say that. And whatever complaints existed before the war, it is crucial to note that it wasn't until the tide of the war really started to grind down the realm that you started to see mass desire to break it apart. Keep in mind that until it became clear that the Hohenzollerns and Romanovs were doomed as well, the alternative in the northeast of the empire was being incorporated into one of their realms: and they ruled with a far heavier hand than the Haspburgs did, as the inhabitants of Galicia learned during their occupation by Tsarist troops in the war.

  258. @Anonymous
    How would you keep the Austrian empire together when nearly everybody wanted out of it?

    Make it a federation or confederation. That wouldn’t have been acceptable to everyone but there could have been a smaller Austro-Hungarian Confederation that avoided most of the nationalistic bullying and ethnic cleansing that we saw in the decades after Versailles.