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From the New York Times:

Trump Immigration Plan Emphasizes Immigrants’ Skills Over Family Ties

Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, spent months working on the plan, which will be a central part of Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign message.

By Michael D. Shear, May 15, 2019

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Thursday will unveil a plan to overhaul parts of the nation’s immigration system that would impose new security measures at the border and significantly increase the educational and skills requirements for people allowed to migrate to the United States.

The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said. In its place, the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.

Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a White House adviser, spent months working on the plan, which will serve as a central part of Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign message. Working with him was Stephen Miller, the president’s top immigration adviser, but the plan falls short of the more extreme measures that Mr. Miller has long pressed the president to adopt and that have long been opposed by Democrats in Congress.

… It calls for construction of some of the border wall that is a preoccupation of Mr. Trump’s and vehemently opposed by Democrats, and upends family-based migration in ways that Democrats and immigrant advocates have long opposed. And it contains no provision for providing legal status to people brought to the United States as children, known as Dreamers, or other undocumented immigrants.

At the same time, the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States, a longstanding goal of conservative, anti-immigration groups that had hoped Mr. Trump’s election would finally provide the political backing for lowering the number of legal immigrants allowed in the country.

So, is the plan to campaign on a completely moderate platform to expose how insane Democrats have gotten on immigration? Would that work?

 
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  1. It sounds like the computer-tech captains of industry got their way over the Big-Ag and Big-Development ones. This won’t be good for computer types, engineers, and maybe even lawyers (if we’re lucky). I guessit will let certain industries just pick and choose their workers – not helpful for the actual-American middle-class, or what’s left of it.

    Does anyone have an org-chart of that clown show they call the West Wing? Can Steven Miller fire Jared Kushner? If so, I’d really like to see that.

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    It sounds like the computer-tech captains of industry got their way over the Big-Ag and Big-Development ones.
     
    Just so. All this bit means is that Wujing and Ranganathajalakrishnavurtha will eat your patrimony rather than Juan Valdez and his trusty goat...but not really even that, since those latter characters already got enough people in – and will continue doing so illegally – to ensure policies mean nothing anyway. That itself leads to the knee-slapper: no one enforces the law, and hasn't for decades, so the idea of futzing about with slightly different laws and policies no one will enforce either is just preposterous – ("I know before we had a problem with misdemeanor drunk driving and we weren't arresting anyone for it, but now, by gum, drunk driving is a felony! No, we still won't be arresting anyone for it, but, dammit, it's a felony! We aren't fooling around anymore....") – yet the stupid masses will eat up the political kabuki of it all.

    TL;DR = MexInChifornia ... but not really even that, and either way, Americans can suck it!
    , @GU
    Always cracks me up that people think lawyers have it so good. Except for cushy government jobs and maybe 2%-5% of lawyers in private practice, most lawyers dislike practicing law and get paid far less than you might expect. And the problem is not a restricted supply of lawyers, as many spergy economists assert (unlike Medical Schools, law schools encouraged as many people as possible to enroll).

    But staying on topic, unless you graduate from an USA law school, only New York will let you take the bar exam as far as I know. Maybe things have changed, but I remember it not being easy for foreigners to practice in the U.S. So I don’t think this plan will affect the legal industry. It’s a state law matter , not federal law.

    But anyway, would you really hire Pajeet or Wi Shun Lu or Mmbopo Mwezopo to defend your lawsuit?
    , @Tired of NOT Winning
    "Everything Jared touches turns to gold." That's what Trump told us after Kushner's idiotic prison reform plan that let out all the drug dealers. Now this daddy-bought-me-an-admission-to-Harvard buffoon is on to wrecking immigration, Trump's signature campaign promise. What will he turn to shite next? Trump's 2020 chances?

    Just as well. A guy this blind and dumb does not deserve to be president, again.

    , @al anon
    Heres how it would be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5Zx34mjUU
  2. It’s a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020 and even if he doesn’t, there’s no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.
    More fundamentally, voters are reasonable to ask: why wasn’t this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?

    Trump has been one of the biggest hoaxes of all of presidential history.

    • Disagree: Abe
    • Replies: @anon
    It’s a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020

    Explanation needed.
    , @Mr McKenna

    there’s no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.
     
    You so did not just say that. Because quite the contrary, I can guarantee you that nothing of the sort is going to happen. What do the betting sites say on this?
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    why wasn’t this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?

    Because the priority of Congress was the tax cut. The second priority was gutting Obamacare, more out of spite and hatred of Obama than out of any pressing need to do that. Third priority (or maybe second) was conservative judges, in order to undermine business regulation and roll-back abortion rights. No one in the Republican Congress cared (or cares) about immigration, and Trump, if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, was too much of a political neophyte in 2017-18 to get his way. Even if Trump wins re-election, the Democrats will hold the House, and probably make gains in the Senate, in large part because of the Republicans' stupidity on healthcare, an issue they have handed to the Dems. So the moment for saving our country has probably passed for good.
    , @Tired of NOT Winning
    We should be thankful this was not passed in 2016-2018. This is yet another of Jared's shit-for-brain plan like his prison reform plan that let out all the drug dealers. This idiotic plan should be renamed the India First immigration plan, to make sure we take in another 10 or 100 million Indian scam artists in 10 years, so we can have more unemployed/underemployed college grads.
    , @MBlanc46
    Maybe I’m wrong that Trump was elected because enough voters in the Heartland believed that he was going to stop the torrent of migrants. If I am, he has a chance of re-election. If I’m not wrong, he’s gone January 20, 2021.
  3. So our college graduates get to complete with foreign students already here and foreign college graduates too? That’s gonna help Americans get ahead how? Thanks Jared, we sure wouldn’t want to do what your backup country does on immigration. If Trump wants to lose he should fight the war Bolton wants and invite in the immigrants Jared wants. If he wants to be reelected he should bring back Bannon.

    • Replies: @Tired of NOT Winning
    Bannon is an idiot. All he cares about these days is fighting China. He's completely obsessed with China. The last thing we need is more of that Bannon idiot.

    Trump just needs to fire Kushner, and put Stephen Miller back in charge on immigration. Everything Jared touches turns to shite.

  4. Highly skilled, educated minorities from Asia will now replace Americans instead of the unskilled types from Mexico and Central America. Great progress here and bravo to Jared Kushner.

    As Barbara Learner Spectre has stated, Europeans cannot survive without immigration and Jews will be resented for their leading role in this project of European replacement or ethnocide of the European peoples.

    • Replies: @Tired of NOT Winning
    Yep. Another Jew trying to replace whites in another white majority country. Fifth columnists much?
    , @Buck Ransom
    What makes you think the arrival of smart, credentialed Asians is going to do anything to lower the number of illiterate Mayans and Aztecs strolling across the border?
  5. Hail says: • Website

    the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.

    the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States

    Three words:

    Trump must lose.

    _______________

    Bumper-sticker version:

    Dump the Chump
    Tucker Carlson 2020

    _______________

    Expanded, eight-word version (more optimistic):

    Trump must lose, that we might yet win.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Wilkey

    Three words: Trump must lose.
     
    Trump gets it 75% right, which is 75% better than Obama, Bush, or Hillary got right, and you're pissed about it.

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he's presenting it in a way that's winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.
    , @Anonymous
    I don't see how Trump loses, barring a massive recession, which likely won't happen until around the 2024 election.

    If you go out into the real world and talk to the relatively low information normies out there, most believe that Trump has been tough on immigration, and will believe his pledges on immigration for the second term during the reelection. This plan is not going to turn them off. Also the trade war with China is very good politics. People like to rally around the president whenever there's a foreign spat or quarrel. And if there is an attack on Iran, his reelection is guaranteed. People rally around wartime presidents.
    , @(((Owen)))
    Trump is not a restrictionist. He's not a patriot. He's not for America. He's useless and he has to go.

    Let's hope the Democratic nominee is someone good like Bernie Sanders and not someone awful like Kamala.

    But even if it is Kamala, we need to notice that Trump has raised immigration in every category and multiplied illegal immigration. He has made no effort to stop or slow even the most harmful forms of immigration and enjoys having a crisis on the border to talk about. All it would take is a simple presidential order to end H-1B or the diversity lottery or any other particularly harmful category or even DACA (which he promised to end on day one; we're still waiting). He doesn't need any agreement from Congress.

    Hillary would have been better. Kamala will be better.
    , @Mr McKenna
    Tucker-Coulter 2020!

    Well, a guy can dream, can't he?
    , @Tired of NOT Winning
    Make that:

    (((Trump))) Must Lose
    , @RadicalCenter
    Beating Trump in the primary, okay. Voting for a democrat in the general election because of dissatisfaction with Trump, absurd.

    Is anyone running in the republican primary who’s talking tough on immigration and the national question and has some track record to go with it? Who would we actually vote for in the republican primaries early next year?
  6. Unveiled is Islamophobic.

    Microaggression alert!

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ, The Alarmist
  7. anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    They should have addressed these issues sequentially, item-by-item over a period of months. Any of them are political winners standing alone.

    By focusing on the issues one at a time via discrete proposed legislation, the Trump administration could have educated the electorate about them and really exposed the Democrats as being out of their minds, if not downright treasonous.

    By lumping them together in one package, the administration has made the educational work much more difficult and obscures the individual merits of each initiative. A “package deal” also opens the door to Democrats to add a bunch of “immigration-related” wishes, such as DACA ammesty.

    Big strategic mistake.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland

    By lumping them together in one package, the administration has made the educational work much more difficult and obscures the individual merits of each initiative. A “package deal” also opens the door to Democrats to add a bunch of “immigration-related” wishes, such as DACA ammesty.
     
    Comprehensive Immigration Reform is not a plan; it is a coalition. It is nothing more than the stakeholder's wish list lumped together being packaged as a rational policy. Whenever possible, the economic interests tell us it is the right thing to do for the country because these people are such angels, and the ethnic interests tell us they are economically necessary.

    This is why Trump knows he can offer any proposal, no matter how lopsided, and that it will not be accepted by the other side. Whatever part of the coalition draws the short straw and is left out will immediately drop their support for the coalition.

    The Democrats are now at the mercy of the three racial identity caucuses; Hispanic, Asian, and black. All agree that more of them is better and none will sacrifice one of theirs for another coalition partner. If nothing else, what Trump can do is get the main groups within the Democratic coalition to engage in bitter infighting instead of reflecting their racial animosity towards the majority population. Whichever identity group emerges as the strongest will be easier to single out and crush piecemeal.
  8. The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said.

    Hugely misleading, no?

    • Replies: @Endgame Napoleon
    The part delinking family ties from immigration standards is good, as is the civics exam, especially since some of the tech workers brought here to displace US citizens from jobs are from nations with very different cultural and political ideals.

    The US has such a large pool of foreigners from multiple nationalities that many of the new, almost universally young, educated, legal immigrants will find marriage partners in the USA that anchor them to citizenship.

    Since the overall number of new legal immigrants brought in to take jobs is not reduced, the labor of the 95 million US citizens (16 to 65) who are out of the labor force will continue to be undervalued by employers. Some 7 million new UC applicants each month—counted as unemployed by the Establishment only due to recent Unemployment Compensation applications—will continue to compete with a flood of noncitizens for jobs.

    By putting education and skills standards in place, it sounds like they are cutting down on the number of poor Third Worlders, coming to America to take low-wage jobs, undercutting US citizens because of US-born kids that qualify them for free monthly bills—from free EBT food, to free electricity, to free or reduced-cost housing—with monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash thrown on top to sweeten the deal for the low-earning womb producers in single-breadwinner households.

    It sounds that way until you consider that the overall number of new, legal immigrants stays the same. Since the number of legal immigrants admitted to the USA every year is between 1.5 — 1.7 million, the low-skilled welfare-eligible group is likely still included in that figure, using some kind of fine-print trickster language.

    What is the Cheap Labor Lobby for if they don’t do our six-figure government workers’ work for them, writing up all of the American Last legislation.

    But it could also mean that the number of educated (or otherwise “skilled”) legal immigrants is being increased, with the low-skilled welfare-eligible immigrants reduced to make room for more educated, higher paid foreign nationals to displace the former US middle class.

    The welfare-eligible immigrants make life almost impossible for non-welfare-eligible citizens at the bottom of the wage pool. This group faces unaffordable rent and 40 years of immigration-induced wage stagnation, but then, so do most of the college-educated citizens in all but a few market-rewarded fields or outside of the crony-parent job network, where friends don’t let fellow backwatching-absentee parents or their friends’ kids go unemployed. Whereas the high-skilled immigrants just supplant the natural-born US middle class, a group that has never held so many college degrees or so much student loan debt.

    I am skeptical after seeing the temp-churn job market in financial services. Thanks to advanced software that does most of the frequently absentee moms’ work for them, whole buildings are full of nothing but single and married moms, mostly without degrees or even “legally required” certifications when pertinent.

    These womb-productive women are able to work cheaply due to lifestyle factors, like spousal income, rent-covering child support checks or monthly welfare and refundable child tax credits that make it easy for them to work for rock-bottom wages, officially (or unofficially) part time, depending on whether or not they need to stay under the earned-income limits for welfare programs that cover their major household bills.

    The voted-best-for-moms jobs are also often just temp gigs, and just like the low-wage part-time work that won’t cover rent for single, childless women and women with kids over 18 who must live on earned-only income, temp gigs are fine with welfare-eligible moms who just drop their welfare during months when they go over the programs’ earned-incomes limits.

    It’s a bigly, greatly rigged setup for moms who are not working very hard by design.

    Non-college-educated females with unearned income for womb productivity, working only part time and comprising half of all employed-in-name-only persons in the USA, with their pay for sex and reproduction from Uncle Sam or their spousal income bumping up their wages, have supplanted most of the college-educated people who used to do those office jobs, computing most things by hand.

    Given all of the educated citizens and all of the foreigners doing crazy-stupid things to access our besmirched institutions of higher learning in the USA, I am not sure that I believe that US corporations lack a sufficient number of qualified, educated citizens to fill the jobs.

    Debt-fueled, Fed-fed, stock-buy-back corporations are just seeking foreigners whose lifestyles enable them to work for less pay.

    It might not be the same welfare-rigged labor market full of low-skilled foreigners with US-born kids. Instead, we might get even more educated foreigners, willing to live 10 to a one-room apartment in the posher areas of town, lowering the standard of living of the US middle class to near Industrial Age tenement fare with some value-added trendiness in safer areas of cities, while the top 2o%er dual-earner parents in above-firing, family-friendly, absenteeism-friendly jobs keep their Barbie-princess-feminist-palace Housing-Bubble lifestyles intact via cheap foreign labor and the government-ensured liquidity of the rigged stock casino.

    Tech companies probably just want a flood of cheaper, younger, foreign national temps who live in big groups, splitting the cost of otherwise unaffordable rent, much like the other churn-able workers in the lower-paying, mom-dominated positions across many different industries do mostly by means of womb-productivity-based welfare.

    In either case, they are mostly hired via revolving-door temp agencies that reduce labor costs for big business.

    This is one of the many forces demolishing the formerly strong US middle class, brick by brick.

    The Cheap Labor Lobby controls the legislative branch, the executive branch and the Supreme Court, forming a fully triangulated balance of powers with no power for the people. The corporate-owned Fourth Estate backs them up with a PR wing, rather than serving as a check on power.
  9. I mean, think about it; who is this going to please? It disappoints his restrictionist fans, angers Democrats because, well, it’s from Trump, and the people in the middle are more worried about healthcare and the economy.

    • Replies: @anon
    I mean, think about it; who is this going to please? It disappoints his restrictionist fans, angers Democrats because, well, it’s from Trump, and the people in the middle are more worried about healthcare and the economy.

    What would you have had the president do instead?
  10. So long as the fraudulent refugee asylum debacle continues bringing millions across the southern border (who are not being deported or even tracked), this is all kabuki.

    • Replies: @anon
    So long as the fraudulent refugee asylum debacle continues bringing millions across the southern border (who are not being deported or even tracked), this is all kabuki.

    Is that not addressed in the plan?
    , @Ed
    The asylum system needs to be addressed immediately. It’s the priority.
    , @Buck Ransom
    We hear that Trump is already talking about his willingness to send 120,000 soldiers to Iran, just for starters, with the number to be greatly expanded once Pompeo and Bolton get their party started. But when the president announced at the end of the year he was sending 5,000 troops to protect the southern border from invasion by the caravans, the congressional and MSM sky fell in. Think of how many weepy cable TV and radio reports you heard about the troops being separated from their loved ones for Thanksgiving and Christmas. The crime cartel in DC and its media allies will do anything to keep the Third World pouring in.
  11. No, this is what that they really believe in.

  12. “At the same time, the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States…”

    So the Deal Artist is not starting from a position of Drastic Cuts, or even a position of Slight Cuts? That’s no good.

    • Replies: @Tired of NOT Winning

    So the Deal Artist is not starting from a position of Drastic Cuts, or even a position of Slight Cuts? That’s no good.
     
    That's the Art of the Deal you see, you start by giving them everything, then give them more, until they say "no more...". That's how you win! I don't know about you but I'm tired of winning.
  13. @SFG
    I mean, think about it; who is this going to please? It disappoints his restrictionist fans, angers Democrats because, well, it's from Trump, and the people in the middle are more worried about healthcare and the economy.

    I mean, think about it; who is this going to please? It disappoints his restrictionist fans, angers Democrats because, well, it’s from Trump, and the people in the middle are more worried about healthcare and the economy.

    What would you have had the president do instead?

    • Replies: @Bill
    Resign?
    , @SFG
    Submit a plan that cuts immigration levels.

    Of course, he should have done it two years ago. The Dems wouldn't pass Medicare-for-all if it came from him.
  14. Just means we will be seeing more ethnically nepotistic (and contemptuous towards everyone else and even their own of a different caste/faith) Hindoos and Chinamen instead of the mestizos and Salvadoreans. Which is actually a lot more devastating since they corrupt from the top instead of from the bottom.

    These people will fundamentally and irreversibly change the character of the country a lot more permanently with their rising numbers. An alien elite with wads of cash [ and “ambitious” to boot] and no connection to the blood and soil of the nation is a lot more devastating in the long run. These people, are sneaky, easily corruptible, highly materialistic [with a fake veneer of pagan spirituality] . The hindoo on top of that is verbally facile and both are extremely money minded.

    Haven’t we had such a (((skilled))) group earlier [a mere 150 years ago]?. How did that turn out? It ultimately caused us to become near slaves to our “bestest” ally in the middle east. These people are very much like them. I know since I work with them for a living. It’s like swimming in a sea of sharks and gators if you aren’t one of them. And between the two, they are 2 billion of them.

    Their loyalty and their fealty, their trust will always ALWAYS be for their home countries mostly. Like this bollywood bigwig. That SOB has a canadian passport, but lives and works in India, does charity in India, pays taxes there and is proud to call himself an Indian nationalist. ’twas embarrassing for him to admit his Canadian citizenship when questioned as he portrays himself to be quite the “nationalist” there. [By the way, this is GOOD isteve material there Sailer; this “Canadian” guy is quite the “nationalist” back home. Has faced calls to get back his Indian nationality [and revoke his Canadian one] but says he wants to retire in Canada !!]

    And there are many like him amongst the Indian diaspora in the west. They, like their “skilled” Chinese brethren are here for the money and the tranquility and the order when compared to their chaotic homelands.

    If I had to choose between the Mestizos [the gardners, the carpenters and the likes] and these folks, I’d reluctantly choose the former. Having worked with a whole lot of the latter, I would what they REALLY are like [mostly].

    • Replies: @densa
    Agree. Asian culture values order and obedience. Even 2nd generation immigrants, especially when praised for their superiority over the natives, have unexamined cultural values that are antithetical to aspirations for self governance. They are far more likely to bring social credit systems of control and oppressive government than the political aspirations of Mexican landscapers.

    We need a complete moratorium on immigration, not just the low-skilled but the high-skilled, too. They are the bigger threat to what remains of our freedom and they are already making a mark in the courts.
    , @Tired of NOT Winning
    Spot on. Chindians will do far more damage to the US in the long run with their higher IQ, higher greed, higher level of corruptibility. Just look at India and China, dog-eat-dog, filthy, high crime, corrupt to the core. Why would we want to import more of these people to the US?

    We should be thankful this plan has no chance of passing. Trump needs to fire Kushner before he does any more damage to his 2020 chances. His prison reform plan that let out all the drug dealers was bad enough. This shit-for-brain immigration plan is even worse.

  15. the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them

    Typical New York Times obfuscation. If it were only spouses and children that immigrants could bring in with them, it wouldn’t be nearly as big a problem.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Pericles
    Remember the Somalian who had over the years brought 150 members of his family to Canada? He still had half a dozen brothers in the old country.
  16. The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said.

    Oh, is that what our family reunification law does?

    Actually it doesn’t just reunite nuclear families. It allows adults to sponsor their adult siblings, as well, which makes absolutely zero sense, and is what gives rise to chain migration. What it also does is allow people to sponsor spouses from foreign countries, which benefits people from backwards cultures that support arranged marriages far more than it benefits other Americans.

    To me it seems like you could get a lot of mileage by presenting family reunification as a discriminatory policy. Why should recent immigrants have far more say over who gets to immigrate here than other Americans have? A guy who came here yesterday can eventually sponsor dozens of family members from his home country. People like me, whose ancestry goes back entirely to before the Civil War and almost entirely to before the Revolution, cannot sponsor anyone at all.

    Abdi Mohammed bin Mohammed can bring his whole damn clan…er, family…over from Somalia. I, however, cannot sponsor a single solitary soul from my ancestral home of Great Britain, despite the fact that my ancestors did far more to build this country than Abdi’s did. And I better not even dare try to bring “disparate impact” or “one man, one vote” into the matter or watch Twatter just explode.

    Reverse that policy and give people like me more say over who immigrates next than people who arrived more recently and you’d have wild allegations of bigotry and a landmark Supreme Court case. And we know exactly how Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan would rule.

    In fact we did once have a law kind of like that. It was the National Origins Act , which made sure that immigrants were basically representative of the people already here. But that law was Evil, Vile & Racist. For some reason Family Reunification is not, though it effectively does the same thing but in reverse.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “which benefits people from backwards cultures that support arranged marriages”

    It also benefits Arabs and Africans at the expense of East Asians and Europeans, who typically have 1 or 0 siblings.
    , @The Alarmist
    As I’ve mentioned here before, every time I disembark at DFW, there is a line of 20 or so wheelchairs pushed by South Asians waiting to take a score of old South Asians from the aircraft to the promised land of good healthcare and other bennies.
    , @Tired of NOT Winning
    We need to end all family migration period, incl. spousal and children's visas. Assuming the primary visa holder actually earned his position, which is a big if, mostly they just lie about their qualification or are willing to work cheaper, what did the rest of his family do to earn the right to immigrate here? Nothing. Everyone needs to earn his/her own way here. If his family is that important to him, he should move back to his home country. If he wants to stay, marry an American and assimilate.
    , @RonaldB
    To put a rational veneer on the matter, imagine a policy that made each immigrant have a citizen sponsor. The sponsor would be required to finance any welfare and criminal liabilities of the immigrant, including any costs of apprehension, incarceration, or deportation. The sponsors would be means tested, meaning they had to have sufficient resources to cover any possible damages, or else sufficient insurance for the same.
  17. At the same time, the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States, a longstanding goal of conservative, anti-immigration groups that had hoped Mr. Trump’s election would finally provide the political backing for lowering the number of legal immigrants allowed in the country.

    WTF? No reduction in overall level of immigration?

    There will be no resolution without needless suffering. But the suffering is certain. The extent is the parameter on the negotiation table.

    Trump is an idiot for having J. Kushner ‘on his committee’

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    Actually, it is a horrible idea for anyone in a leadership position to have a close family member in a policy-making position, or any other position of power or influence.

    A leader needs to make decisions objectively. A close family member brings in lots of dynamics that are simply dysfunctional when decisions are made. Jared, Ivanka, Don, Eric, Laura...all should be in New York pursuing their own interests. Their presence in the Trump administration is not a benefit to the country. As for Donald Trump: if the supposed alpha male can't function without his family surrounding him in his work environment, he's a well-disguised codependent.
  18. @Hail

    the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.
     

    the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States
     
    Three words:

    Trump must lose.

    _______________

    Bumper-sticker version:

    Dump the Chump
    Tucker Carlson 2020

    _______________

    Expanded, eight-word version (more optimistic):

    Trump must lose, that we might yet win.

    Three words: Trump must lose.

    Trump gets it 75% right, which is 75% better than Obama, Bush, or Hillary got right, and you’re pissed about it.

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he’s presenting it in a way that’s winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @istevefan

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he’s presenting it in a way that’s winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.
     
    If it doesn't reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not 'steps in the right direction'. For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue. For the umpteenth time will someone tell him that the those pushing for more immigration,whether skilled or not, have received the largest wave of immigration in world history over the past half century. For him to concede to ever more immigration shows he really doesn't understand this.

    Even if one points out America has had immigration before, we have always had moratoriums after such waves to at least give some time to absorb that which we had just taken. We are long overdue for such a moratorium.

    Additionally, skimming off the top talent of developing nations is nothing more than a modern day form of colonialism. Once natural resources were extracted, today it is human resources. There is no way these nations will ever develop if you poach what little talent they have.
    , @(((Owen)))
    Trump isn't getting 75% right. He's bringing in more immigrants than Obama did. Trump is getting it less than zero percent right.
    , @Keypusher
    Too bad he waited until he had no chance of passing it to propose it. Tired of being a sucker yet?
  19. A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    • Agree: Thomm
    • Disagree: Hail
    • Replies: @anon
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia.

    Right. It's displaced Canadians and Australian kids from good university seats and good jobs and is creating a foreign overclass. Great idea.

    , @Hail

    kudos to [Kushner]
     
    Congratulations, that earned you an 'Agree' from one of the Unz.com resident trolls.
    , @anon
    we don't need ANY immigrants

    the only ones that want them are stingy business owners who dont want to pay Americans an honest wage
    , @istevefan

    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.
     
    https://twitter.com/fraser_anning/status/1103971709181353985


    Yeah, it looks like it is going well.
    , @J.Ross
    That outgoing French ambassador said Kushner was smarter than anyone gave him credit for. Looking forward to his Israel plan.
    , @Lot
    Canada still has large numbers of low-capital migrants from India, Africa, and Haiti. It’s overall migration rate is more than double the USA.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    A skills-based immigration system
     
    Robert Kraft agrees, but he no longer recommends the Orchids of Asia Day Spa— total lack of privacy!
    , @Anonymous
    While Canada certainly attracts some very highly skilled-immigrants, the Economic Immigrant class(people who are admitted because their skills), which currently accounts for ~60% of Canada's immigration is deceptive because it counts immediate family members as economic immigrants even if they wouldn't meet the requirements to be admitted if they were to apply on their own. In a given year, only about a quarter of the people who immigrate to Canada are subject to the skills and language requirements of economic immigrants.

    Source
    , @Anon

    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia.
     
    Mediocre trolling. Need to try harder.
    , @(((Owen)))
    Australians and Canadians are losing their countries. They're being taken right out from under the citizens. That is not at all a well working system. Both countries will be dominated by China in the coming decades. They will be suburbs like Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore.

    And they will have given up their birthright to wide open spaces as more and more aliens pour in.

    We will eventually need a northern wall as well.

    , @Anon
    Did you know that, last year, Australians lost the ability to make cars? That's worse than some the Central Asian Stans. What are all these "skilled" immigrants doing? And is there any connection with the fact they are mostly Indians?
    , @Keypusher
    What have we got that Australia and Canada don’t got? A 2,000 mile border with the third world, that’s what.
    , @jbwilson24
    "A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. "

    Are you nuts?

    Canada has still lost its culture. Toronto is turning into a third world craphole in front of our eyes, complete with rising gang violence and gunfire.

    If that's rather well, what exactly is a failure? The planet of the apes?
  20. Gee, thanks, Jared. Just what I wanted: to be put out and kept out of work along with my countrymen and to be ruled over by a rapidly expanded Imported Overclass.

    Geeeee-nius. Sheer geeeee-nius.

    • Replies: @Anon000
    Up until recently my job involved federal government new hires. I think the average American would be shocked by just how many of the new hires are of East Indian and Chinese extraction (naturalized citizens and second generation). In D.C., New York, Boston, Chicago, et al. They have all learned that federal employment is where the money and status is. From DOJ to EPA to DOE, the ranks are filling with East and South Asians (and of course large numbers from the third world). And we’re not talking cognitive elites. A lot will be second-tier state schools (GMU, UMD, JMU) in business/info systems/policy grads with an online master’s.
  21. Trump Immigration Plan Emphasizes Immigrants’ Skills Over Family Ties

    This is a good, common-sense plan. No more family chain migration.

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.

    About 80% of the American electorate would support Kushner’s plan.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    No immigration at all is a better plan. Thumb, India needs you. Half your people are pooping in the road and yet you have nothing better to do than chirp at us...
    , @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?
    , @bomag

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.
     
    Maybe "better", but still too dreary.
    , @Tired of NOT Winning
    About 80% of American electorate with any brain would tell Kushner to take his plan shove it up his ass.
    , @Anonymous
    If the old-stock Canadians and Australians have a crystal-ball and can peer into the future, they will, surely, see the massive Subcon immigration which their Deep States are promoting as a catastrophe.

    Doubtless, in the future Subcons will dominate both nations economically and politically. All I can say is that apart from the corruption endemic to Subcons, these nations will be no places for white men.
  22. I like it. Offer the dementedcrats a half of loaf. They go insane. Trumpslide 2020. Get the full loaf!

    • Replies: @Bill
    Get another tax cut for the rich, more likely.
  23. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia.

    Right. It’s displaced Canadians and Australian kids from good university seats and good jobs and is creating a foreign overclass. Great idea.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    Yes, actually in some ways, a "skills-based" immigration system is worse.

    Because then the foreigners with skills will compete with you and your kids. And they will mix better in society.

    See, in the US they bring in illegal Mexicans and h1b Indians who become a kind of servant lower class, so they don't really compete much with the locals for good jobs and women, although they do drive down wages and cause a lot of other issues.

    In places like Canada, a lot of immigrants land relatively good jobs, and there are many more mixed marriages than in the US.

    Apparently, Canada plans to receive one million new immigrants every year, which is quite a lot for a nation of 38 million.
  24. @Almost Missouri
    So long as the fraudulent refugee asylum debacle continues bringing millions across the southern border (who are not being deported or even tracked), this is all kabuki.

    So long as the fraudulent refugee asylum debacle continues bringing millions across the southern border (who are not being deported or even tracked), this is all kabuki.

    Is that not addressed in the plan?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Where?

    "would impose new security measures at the border"?
     
    It no longer matters how high the "wall" is. Migrants now just go to the nearest border official and demand "asylum", and the border official immediately puts them on an air-conditioned bus to your neighborhood, with a ticket to an asylum hearing they will never attend.

    Like the migrant "rescue" ships shuttling invaders from North Africa to Europe, the US "asylum" system is now part of the conveyor belt bringing invaders into the US.

    The Mediterranean waters and a simple border wall could easily stop third world invaders. So instead we are lending them our first world ships and busses to bring the invaders in their millions through our normal ports of entry so they are not inconvenienced by nature's or man's little obstacles.

    Now Jared Kuschner plans to supplement that invasion with an additional invasion of ambitious and nepotistic second world invaders to dispossess the American middle class.

    It's 100% bad news.
  25. • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    David Burge ("Iowahawk") spot-on, as usual.

    Furthermore, had Lyft or Uber bothered inquiring into this war criminal's past ...

    Question 11: Are you an immigrant?

    . Subpart a): Were you involved in any wars or political violence in your home country?

    . . Sub-subpart i): Were you inflicting the violence, receiving the violence or both?

    . . . Please attach documents showing you are a war criminal.
     
    ... Jake Tapper and the rest of the Lying Press would have gone ballistic about heartless white capitalists disparaging poor immigrants of color.

    Lyft and Uber operate in the ethical environment established and policed by Jake Tapper and company.

    Jake Tapper is more to blame for war criminals sharing rides with Americans than Lyft and Uber are.
  26. Trump has run into this wall, which is much better built than the border wall he’s working on. He’s literally the only person in Washington who wants to change immigration policy to benefit Americans who work, both the low-skilled (threatened by people who sneak in) and the tech workers (threatened by legal H1Bs entering with permission).

    I don’t understand Trump’s strategy here. Surely he knows that Democrats (the pols and the voters) will continue to hate him intensely no matter what he says or does. Surely he understands that he will never receive the support or respect of the mass media in this country no matter what he says or does.

    You might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb – why doesn’t President Trump press for what will please the people who elected him and would vote for him again?

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    That is one of my very favorite expressions.
    , @RonaldB
    IMO, Trump is positioning himself as an establishment Republican, and taking the risk that the Democratic nominee will either be a rabid socialist or obviously senile. The Democrat turnout in the general election will be limp and lethargic.

    So, the never-Trumpers will kind of dissolve and the traditional Republicans will support and vote for Trump. Trump will get the backing of the usual Republican donors, who will not see any threat to their operations. Under this scenario, the true Trumper immigration hawks will be superfluous.
  27. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.
     

    the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States
     
    Three words:

    Trump must lose.

    _______________

    Bumper-sticker version:

    Dump the Chump
    Tucker Carlson 2020

    _______________

    Expanded, eight-word version (more optimistic):

    Trump must lose, that we might yet win.

    I don’t see how Trump loses, barring a massive recession, which likely won’t happen until around the 2024 election.

    If you go out into the real world and talk to the relatively low information normies out there, most believe that Trump has been tough on immigration, and will believe his pledges on immigration for the second term during the reelection. This plan is not going to turn them off. Also the trade war with China is very good politics. People like to rally around the president whenever there’s a foreign spat or quarrel. And if there is an attack on Iran, his reelection is guaranteed. People rally around wartime presidents.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    He lied to the voters*. He didn’t mince words. He said straight out what he was going to do, then he didn’t do it. Didn’t even try.

    Yeah, I know, all pols lie. But what got Trump elected was that he appeared to be not just another politician.
  28. OT-

    Mix-ish looks interesting.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    Yeah!

    Except they mixed up the dates a bit. The Branch Davidian ATF FBI massacre occurred under Clinton, not under Reagan. I'm sure the error was entirely inadvertent.
  29. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Given the trade war, I’m guessing it would be harder for Chinese to get visas and that the immigrants would skew Indian, Israeli, and perhaps Eastern European under this plan. Maybe Nigerian as well.

  30. This policy would shift the new arrivals from Mexicans and Filipinos who at least give 30% – 40% of the vote to Republicans to Indians and Chinese who give <20% of their vote, for a net loss of 10% – 20%. Instead of the stupid party it should be called the dumb as dog crap party.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    This policy would shift the new arrivals from Mexicans and Filipinos who at least give 30% – 40% of the vote to Republicans to Indians and Chinese who give <20% of their vote, for a net loss of 10% – 20%. Instead of the stupid party it should be called the dumb as dog crap party.
     
    It may not be that straightforward:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/obama-asian-americans-voted-republican-gop-wants-bring-them-back-n873401

    Chinese Americans are indeed a voting group to watch since their support for the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, appeared to wane compared to President Barack Obama in 2012.

    While Obama got 69 percent of their vote in 2012, Clinton took just 61 percent in 2016, according to the National Asian American Survey.
     
    https://www.wnyc.org/story/chinese-american-voters-flirting-gop/

    Stanley Ng, an opponent of the administration's plan to end New York's test for Specialized High Schools, argued that the test fosters a meritocracy — which is why he likes that Chinese Americans are getting renewed attention from the GOP.

    "They're saying the right things... and they're saying we should vote Republican," said Ng, who added that Chinese Americans are in turn "beginning to listen."

    Asian Americans across the country have flexed conservative on matters of homelessness and immigration. Chinese Americans in particular helped defeat a measure to make Maryland a sanctuary state last year. Wong says all of this undermines the idea that communities of color stand in solidarity.

    "Because when you have a non-white group that is taking more conservative positions and having real success then you're really threatening the traditional, longstanding civil rights coalition of people of color," said Wong.
     
    I tried googling Indian numbers, but kept getting Native American results. Then I tried with the word "Hindu" and had better luck:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-hindu-americans-dont-vote-republican/

    According to data from the Washington Post, fewer than 7 percent of Hindus are likely to have voted for Trump. Only a slightly larger percentage of Hindus voted for Mitt Romney. Hindus strongly favor the Democratic party over the Republican party—more so than almost any other ethnic or religious group in the United States.
     
  31. @Wilkey

    Three words: Trump must lose.
     
    Trump gets it 75% right, which is 75% better than Obama, Bush, or Hillary got right, and you're pissed about it.

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he's presenting it in a way that's winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he’s presenting it in a way that’s winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.

    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’. For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue. For the umpteenth time will someone tell him that the those pushing for more immigration,whether skilled or not, have received the largest wave of immigration in world history over the past half century. For him to concede to ever more immigration shows he really doesn’t understand this.

    Even if one points out America has had immigration before, we have always had moratoriums after such waves to at least give some time to absorb that which we had just taken. We are long overdue for such a moratorium.

    Additionally, skimming off the top talent of developing nations is nothing more than a modern day form of colonialism. Once natural resources were extracted, today it is human resources. There is no way these nations will ever develop if you poach what little talent they have.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Hail

    For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue
     
    That is actually a somewhat charitable interpretation.

    A more pessimistic interpretation is that he ran a long con (and still is), and that we are the victims of this political fraud. Blumpf is guilty of political fraud.

    , @anon
    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’. For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue.

    It is a step toward reductions.
    This is how it plays out: merit-based immigration targets Americans with skills, education, and money. These people have more political power than the poorer and less educated. When merit-based immigration means their is being gored, they should be incentivized to support reductions have the political power to make it happen.

    In addition, merit-based leaves a greater degree of discretion in the hands of the government and American people than family-based. All sorts of reasonable requirements and tests can be imposed to define what is meritorious.
    , @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote:

    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’.
     
    That's simple-minded.

    Two basic questions should be key:

    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?

    The second question may become crucial in a few years: twenty million more people in the USA is not a disaster, but three hundred million more is certainly a big problem.

    But the first problem... well, the reason most American are more comfortable with immigrants from Canada or Switzerland than Ghana or Bangladesh is not the color of their skin but the fact that the Swiss or Canadians grasp what the USA is about more than the vast majority off Ghanians or Bangladeshis.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh (he's in Navy ROTC!) whom I have good reason to respect. But, on average, West Europeans are going to fit in better than immigrants from the Third World. And, East Asians will fit in better than sub-Saharna Africans on average.

    And so on.

    And everyone knows this.

    It's really culture and, of course, individual characteristics.

    But everyone is afraid to talk about what everyone knows because they know they will be accused of racism.

    Absurd. It's the culture, stupid.
  32. The insanity of Democrats is probably Trump’s biggest strength. Trump hasn’t done much for his base, but he doesn’t hate them.

  33. Hail says: • Website
    @istevefan

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he’s presenting it in a way that’s winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.
     
    If it doesn't reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not 'steps in the right direction'. For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue. For the umpteenth time will someone tell him that the those pushing for more immigration,whether skilled or not, have received the largest wave of immigration in world history over the past half century. For him to concede to ever more immigration shows he really doesn't understand this.

    Even if one points out America has had immigration before, we have always had moratoriums after such waves to at least give some time to absorb that which we had just taken. We are long overdue for such a moratorium.

    Additionally, skimming off the top talent of developing nations is nothing more than a modern day form of colonialism. Once natural resources were extracted, today it is human resources. There is no way these nations will ever develop if you poach what little talent they have.

    For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue

    That is actually a somewhat charitable interpretation.

    A more pessimistic interpretation is that he ran a long con (and still is), and that we are the victims of this political fraud. Blumpf is guilty of political fraud.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    At least he is on track to give us that war with Iran to please his Israeli masters as he promised in the campaign.

    He did say he favored endless wars in foreign lands that result in dead American soldiers with no benefit to the U.S., didn't he?
  34. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    kudos to [Kushner]

    Congratulations, that earned you an ‘Agree’ from one of the Unz.com resident trolls.

  35. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    we don’t need ANY immigrants

    the only ones that want them are stingy business owners who dont want to pay Americans an honest wage

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Stingy business owners who don't want to pay druggies an honest wage. FIFY.
  36. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    Yeah, it looks like it is going well.

  37. J.Ross says: • Website

    the border wall that [they meant “which”] is a preoccupation of Mr. [that is, President] Trump’s and [which is] vehemently opposed by Democrats

    The wall, you see, is a preoccupation of that Trump guy. A dark obsession. It’s not a preoccupation of the Democrats who vehememtly oppose it.
    Does journalism larvae read Orwell any more?

    • Agree: istevefan
  38. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    That outgoing French ambassador said Kushner was smarter than anyone gave him credit for. Looking forward to his Israel plan.

    • Replies: @Tired of NOT Winning

    That outgoing French ambassador said Kushner was smarter than anyone gave him credit for. Looking forward to his Israel plan.
     
    The French can have him. In fact, we insist.
  39. anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he’s presenting it in a way that’s winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.
     
    If it doesn't reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not 'steps in the right direction'. For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue. For the umpteenth time will someone tell him that the those pushing for more immigration,whether skilled or not, have received the largest wave of immigration in world history over the past half century. For him to concede to ever more immigration shows he really doesn't understand this.

    Even if one points out America has had immigration before, we have always had moratoriums after such waves to at least give some time to absorb that which we had just taken. We are long overdue for such a moratorium.

    Additionally, skimming off the top talent of developing nations is nothing more than a modern day form of colonialism. Once natural resources were extracted, today it is human resources. There is no way these nations will ever develop if you poach what little talent they have.

    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’. For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue.

    It is a step toward reductions.
    This is how it plays out: merit-based immigration targets Americans with skills, education, and money. These people have more political power than the poorer and less educated. When merit-based immigration means their is being gored, they should be incentivized to support reductions have the political power to make it happen.

    In addition, merit-based leaves a greater degree of discretion in the hands of the government and American people than family-based. All sorts of reasonable requirements and tests can be imposed to define what is meritorious.

  40. If Kushner and Lindsey Graham are for it, it can’t be good.

  41. @Hail

    For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue
     
    That is actually a somewhat charitable interpretation.

    A more pessimistic interpretation is that he ran a long con (and still is), and that we are the victims of this political fraud. Blumpf is guilty of political fraud.

    At least he is on track to give us that war with Iran to please his Israeli masters as he promised in the campaign.

    He did say he favored endless wars in foreign lands that result in dead American soldiers with no benefit to the U.S., didn’t he?

  42. “…..skills based immigration”
    Let me translate……..a flood of half priced hindu code scribblers with a few dissident chinese phd’s tossed in for diversity.

  43. @Wilkey

    The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said.
     
    Oh, is that what our family reunification law does?

    Actually it doesn't just reunite nuclear families. It allows adults to sponsor their adult siblings, as well, which makes absolutely zero sense, and is what gives rise to chain migration. What it also does is allow people to sponsor spouses from foreign countries, which benefits people from backwards cultures that support arranged marriages far more than it benefits other Americans.

    To me it seems like you could get a lot of mileage by presenting family reunification as a discriminatory policy. Why should recent immigrants have far more say over who gets to immigrate here than other Americans have? A guy who came here yesterday can eventually sponsor dozens of family members from his home country. People like me, whose ancestry goes back entirely to before the Civil War and almost entirely to before the Revolution, cannot sponsor anyone at all.

    Abdi Mohammed bin Mohammed can bring his whole damn clan...er, family...over from Somalia. I, however, cannot sponsor a single solitary soul from my ancestral home of Great Britain, despite the fact that my ancestors did far more to build this country than Abdi's did. And I better not even dare try to bring "disparate impact" or "one man, one vote" into the matter or watch Twatter just explode.

    Reverse that policy and give people like me more say over who immigrates next than people who arrived more recently and you'd have wild allegations of bigotry and a landmark Supreme Court case. And we know exactly how Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan would rule.

    In fact we did once have a law kind of like that. It was the National Origins Act , which made sure that immigrants were basically representative of the people already here. But that law was Evil, Vile & Racist. For some reason Family Reunification is not, though it effectively does the same thing but in reverse.

    “which benefits people from backwards cultures that support arranged marriages”

    It also benefits Arabs and Africans at the expense of East Asians and Europeans, who typically have 1 or 0 siblings.

  44. Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser

    any qualifications?

    LOL

    • Replies: @Neuday
    Kushner's qualifications are that the parentheticals abide.
  45. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/upshot/illegal-immigration-crime-rates-research.html

    Areas with more unauthorized migration appeared to have larger drops in crime, although the difference was small and uncertain.

    For undocumented immigrants, being arrested for any reason would mean facing eventual deportation — and for some a return to whatever danger or deprivation they’d sought to escape at home.

    According to Mr. Adelman and his team, however, the impact of undocumented immigrants is probably similar to what the research indicates about immigrants over all: They tend to bring economic and cultural benefits to their communities.

    To end crime, we need more (illegal) immigrants!

    • Replies: @NYMOM
    I actually do agree with this although overall I am for reducing immigration in general...

    My grandkids went to a predominantly hispanic school and the level of violence was much less then if it had been predominantly black...this I know because one of my children went to a majority black school and it was endless fighting. She actually had to leave a year early to transfer to another school due to safety concerns...

    Nevertheless I still think we need to take a breath in the overall level of immigration from anywhere...
  46. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    Canada still has large numbers of low-capital migrants from India, Africa, and Haiti. It’s overall migration rate is more than double the USA.

  47. I don’t care what his plan is. Our immigration problem isn’t the lack of a plan or of laws. It’s that we don’t enforce the laws we have. The Dems could agree with Kushner’s plan, so they look moderate, confident that a million phony refugees will bust in every year.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @anon
    The Dems could agree with Kushner’s plan, so they look moderate, confident that a million phony refugees will bust in every year.

    The plan does not reform the refugee and asylum laws??
  48. • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Actually, sneaky NPR says "lowest number of births in 32 years". In reality, it is the lowest US birthrate EVER.

    And of course US white birthrate even lower.

    But NPR policy is "don't frighten the whites, don't anger the blacks", so the story is


    lowest births in 32 years, ... for some mysterious reason. But probably just a big blip. Who can possibly know what's going on, really?
     
    , @Tired of NOT Winning
    The timing of that "lowest birthrate since 1982" report is certainly very suspicious. And of course you can always count on a Jew (James Freeman of WSJ) to immediately grab the bullhorn and shill for more immigration, cheering for this globalist-approved immigration plan from another one of his co-ethnics.
  49. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    A skills-based immigration system

    Robert Kraft agrees, but he no longer recommends the Orchids of Asia Day Spa— total lack of privacy!

    • Replies: @Lot
    https://pics.onsizzle.com/according-to-my-fitbit-ive-masturbated-4-miles-9348190.png
  50. Take coding jobs away from unemployed journalists, forcing them to produce more ridiculous anti-Trump journalism, bringing respect for the media down even further and goodwill toward Trump higher.

    4-d chess.

  51. Well, with this sort of opposition, Trump could piss on Hillary Clinton on national TV and still win!

  52. Elite workers, of course, will not be enthusiastic about facing competition from highly-trained immigrants. On the other hand, if capitalists want more high-skilled labor at lower cost, why don’t America’s rulers appease them by spending the money to train Americans for such labor?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    1. They are, a bit. 2. To really take advantage of such a program, companies would have to move a large amount of their jobs to the Midwest and South. Since the sophisticates that run these companies don't think we have electricity, this probably won't happen.
  53. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    A skills-based immigration system
     
    Robert Kraft agrees, but he no longer recommends the Orchids of Asia Day Spa— total lack of privacy!

  54. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    While Canada certainly attracts some very highly skilled-immigrants, the Economic Immigrant class(people who are admitted because their skills), which currently accounts for ~60% of Canada’s immigration is deceptive because it counts immediate family members as economic immigrants even if they wouldn’t meet the requirements to be admitted if they were to apply on their own. In a given year, only about a quarter of the people who immigrate to Canada are subject to the skills and language requirements of economic immigrants.

    Source

  55. I’m not sure which I prefer. An imported overclass, or an imported underclass?

    The former, I guess, since they are more likely to assimilate after a couple of generations.

    Or limit immigration to the European professional class. That would probably work best, though perhaps not many would want to move, what with free universities and health care over there in many countries.

    • Replies: @megabar
    > I’m not sure which I prefer. An imported overclass, or an imported underclass?

    Yeah. It's funny, because perhaps a year ago I would have argued that "an imported overclass" is a nonsense statement, and two years before that, I was for essentially all immigration because I didn't believe in group differences.

    It's been a difficult journey for me, because I work with a lot of talented foreigners. They're generally great, well-meaning, and productive folks. It's unpleasant to realize that even good people can, in sufficient numbers, cause a fractured and divided society. Human psychology is funny.

    If you want a healthy society, you can't have different groups of people with different talent levels.
    Importing an overclass will do this as surely as accepting too many third-world asylum seekers.

    Note, interestingly, that the US was probably going to run into this even without immigration, because the combination of assortive mating and dysgenic policies will create distinct classes -- rich/smarter and poor/dumber.

    The irony is that gentle eugenic policies probably are the most ethical and humane solutions to all of the above.
  56. @Hail

    the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.
     

    the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States
     
    Three words:

    Trump must lose.

    _______________

    Bumper-sticker version:

    Dump the Chump
    Tucker Carlson 2020

    _______________

    Expanded, eight-word version (more optimistic):

    Trump must lose, that we might yet win.

    Trump is not a restrictionist. He’s not a patriot. He’s not for America. He’s useless and he has to go.

    Let’s hope the Democratic nominee is someone good like Bernie Sanders and not someone awful like Kamala.

    But even if it is Kamala, we need to notice that Trump has raised immigration in every category and multiplied illegal immigration. He has made no effort to stop or slow even the most harmful forms of immigration and enjoys having a crisis on the border to talk about. All it would take is a simple presidential order to end H-1B or the diversity lottery or any other particularly harmful category or even DACA (which he promised to end on day one; we’re still waiting). He doesn’t need any agreement from Congress.

    Hillary would have been better. Kamala will be better.

    • Troll: IHTG
  57. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia.

    Mediocre trolling. Need to try harder.

  58. @Wilkey

    Three words: Trump must lose.
     
    Trump gets it 75% right, which is 75% better than Obama, Bush, or Hillary got right, and you're pissed about it.

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he's presenting it in a way that's winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.

    Trump isn’t getting 75% right. He’s bringing in more immigrants than Obama did. Trump is getting it less than zero percent right.

  59. @istevefan

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he’s presenting it in a way that’s winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.
     
    If it doesn't reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not 'steps in the right direction'. For a great negotiator he seems to have no clue about how to negotiate on this issue. For the umpteenth time will someone tell him that the those pushing for more immigration,whether skilled or not, have received the largest wave of immigration in world history over the past half century. For him to concede to ever more immigration shows he really doesn't understand this.

    Even if one points out America has had immigration before, we have always had moratoriums after such waves to at least give some time to absorb that which we had just taken. We are long overdue for such a moratorium.

    Additionally, skimming off the top talent of developing nations is nothing more than a modern day form of colonialism. Once natural resources were extracted, today it is human resources. There is no way these nations will ever develop if you poach what little talent they have.

    istevefan wrote:

    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’.

    That’s simple-minded.

    Two basic questions should be key:

    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?

    The second question may become crucial in a few years: twenty million more people in the USA is not a disaster, but three hundred million more is certainly a big problem.

    But the first problem… well, the reason most American are more comfortable with immigrants from Canada or Switzerland than Ghana or Bangladesh is not the color of their skin but the fact that the Swiss or Canadians grasp what the USA is about more than the vast majority off Ghanians or Bangladeshis.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh (he’s in Navy ROTC!) whom I have good reason to respect. But, on average, West Europeans are going to fit in better than immigrants from the Third World. And, East Asians will fit in better than sub-Saharna Africans on average.

    And so on.

    And everyone knows this.

    It’s really culture and, of course, individual characteristics.

    But everyone is afraid to talk about what everyone knows because they know they will be accused of racism.

    Absurd. It’s the culture, stupid.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?
     
    There were already too damn many people 130MM people ago when the current wave of mass immigration started. We need to send them all back and stop taking more.
    , @istevefan

    That’s simple-minded.
     
    It is simple minded to debate further without acknowledging the USA is in the midst of a current wave that has seen 60 million come since 1965, which even if stopped today, would go down in history as the greatest transnational, mass immigration wave in history. Yet, far from being stopped, it continues unabated.

    If you are telling me that the USA needs to sustain this influx to continue as a going concern, then our issue is not immigration. Our issue is a broken nation and society that either need to be fixed, or needs to be dissolved into nations and societies that are capable of sustaining themselves.


    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?
     
    Yes and no. The landmass of the USA could surely be packed with as many people as live in China. Our landmass is comparable. The question is do you want to live in such a populous nation, and if so why? The onus should be on those wanting such an enormous population, not on us.

    You really need to look at the list of the most populous nations on earth and ask yourself is that something we really want. Right now we are comfortably in 3rd place with 330 million. If we had our number from WW2 (140 million) we'd still be in the top 10.

    Check out the concept of scale sometimes as it is referenced to population, and you will understand why the most desirable places tend to be those not competing to be number one in population.


    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?
     
    Crucially will the USA and the rest of the European world remain European? The fact that this type of question could even be suggested should give pause for more immigration. The fact that this is set to become reality, especially in the USA, should be the clarion call to end immigration and begin some sort of repatriation.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh
     
    That's a problem. High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.

    Just think about this. There are 7.5 billion and counting in the world. For sake of math, let's say 6 billion of these live in low-developed areas of the world. Now we know the USA has taken in 60 million in 50 years. Let's say the USA will agree to take in another 60 million in 30 years. And Europe will also take in 60 million over 30 years. Forget for the moment the effects on USA/Europe in trying to break our current immigration record. Let's just suppose we did it.

    OK, 120 million would represent only 2 percent of that 6 billion. The result in 30 years is that 98 percent of those folks in the developing world would still be there. Of course if you factor in their birth rate, they would more than replace those 120 million. Which means essentially all of them and then some would be still there.

    So skimming their top talent condemns those entire populations to perpetual poverty and chaos. How can anyone support that? That is akin to stealing the natural resources of some nation. If that is condemned, why is not the other?

    , @3g4me
    @60 Physicist Dave: "Absurd. It’s the culture, stupid."

    And politics is downstream from culture, which is downstream from GENETICS, stupid. In other words, race matters. Not simply the Negro, but equally the Han or the Hindoo is unassimilable and intended to replace White Americans.

    America - so blessed by arrogant, ignorant deracinated cucks who brag about their sperginess in their online name.
  60. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    Australians and Canadians are losing their countries. They’re being taken right out from under the citizens. That is not at all a well working system. Both countries will be dominated by China in the coming decades. They will be suburbs like Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore.

    And they will have given up their birthright to wide open spaces as more and more aliens pour in.

    We will eventually need a northern wall as well.

  61. @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote:

    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’.
     
    That's simple-minded.

    Two basic questions should be key:

    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?

    The second question may become crucial in a few years: twenty million more people in the USA is not a disaster, but three hundred million more is certainly a big problem.

    But the first problem... well, the reason most American are more comfortable with immigrants from Canada or Switzerland than Ghana or Bangladesh is not the color of their skin but the fact that the Swiss or Canadians grasp what the USA is about more than the vast majority off Ghanians or Bangladeshis.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh (he's in Navy ROTC!) whom I have good reason to respect. But, on average, West Europeans are going to fit in better than immigrants from the Third World. And, East Asians will fit in better than sub-Saharna Africans on average.

    And so on.

    And everyone knows this.

    It's really culture and, of course, individual characteristics.

    But everyone is afraid to talk about what everyone knows because they know they will be accused of racism.

    Absurd. It's the culture, stupid.

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?

    There were already too damn many people 130MM people ago when the current wave of mass immigration started. We need to send them all back and stop taking more.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Owen wrote to me:

    There were already too damn many people 130MM people ago when the current wave of mass immigration started. We need to send them all back and stop taking more.
     
    Well, my family gets to stay. And, my wife, who is the daughter of legal immigrants (real refugees from Communism), also stays under your plan.

    But, your plan will not work constitutionally.
    , @neutral
    I don't know why you are complaining, he has done literally everything for (((you people))).
  62. Sailer asked:

    So, is the plan to campaign on a completely moderate platform to expose how insane Democrats have gotten on immigration? Would that work?

    Yes and yes.

    Of course, if the Democrats weren’t so eager to commit political suicide, they’d preempt Trump and push through moderate reform. Jack Kennedy would have. Or Jimmy Carter. Or Bill Clinton.

    But Kamala is not Jimmy Carter. Joe Biden is not Bill Clinton. And, while Bernie would like to be JFK, he can’t be — they’d crucify him.

    Every day, Trump must pray, “Thank you, Lord, for driving my enemies insane!”

  63. @(((Owen)))

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?
     
    There were already too damn many people 130MM people ago when the current wave of mass immigration started. We need to send them all back and stop taking more.

    Owen wrote to me:

    There were already too damn many people 130MM people ago when the current wave of mass immigration started. We need to send them all back and stop taking more.

    Well, my family gets to stay. And, my wife, who is the daughter of legal immigrants (real refugees from Communism), also stays under your plan.

    But, your plan will not work constitutionally.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))

    your plan will not work constitutionally.
     
    The Constitution was an agreement among a people that have been dispossessed. The new arrivals by and large don't care for formal rules and won't restrain themselves to follow them. And they are certainly not suited to democracy given their history at home and their identity interest group voting here.

    So I accept that we will see the end of the Constitution and democracy. They are just some among many nice things we used to have together that are no longer viable in our vibrant new population. Maybe our new rulers will want to help get rid of the new arrivals to return to the old ways. Or maybe they're just going to exploit the situation as long as they can. It's not up to us anymore; the 1970s ruling generation gave that option away in our name.
  64. @PhysicistDave
    Owen wrote to me:

    There were already too damn many people 130MM people ago when the current wave of mass immigration started. We need to send them all back and stop taking more.
     
    Well, my family gets to stay. And, my wife, who is the daughter of legal immigrants (real refugees from Communism), also stays under your plan.

    But, your plan will not work constitutionally.

    your plan will not work constitutionally.

    The Constitution was an agreement among a people that have been dispossessed. The new arrivals by and large don’t care for formal rules and won’t restrain themselves to follow them. And they are certainly not suited to democracy given their history at home and their identity interest group voting here.

    So I accept that we will see the end of the Constitution and democracy. They are just some among many nice things we used to have together that are no longer viable in our vibrant new population. Maybe our new rulers will want to help get rid of the new arrivals to return to the old ways. Or maybe they’re just going to exploit the situation as long as they can. It’s not up to us anymore; the 1970s ruling generation gave that option away in our name.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  65. Wait a minute, wasn’t the country “full” just a little over a month ago?

  66. @Harry Baldwin
    the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them

    Typical New York Times obfuscation. If it were only spouses and children that immigrants could bring in with them, it wouldn't be nearly as big a problem.

    Remember the Somalian who had over the years brought 150 members of his family to Canada? He still had half a dozen brothers in the old country.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Is your Uber driver a war criminal? Somali ex-colonel known as 'the crow' who 'oversaw mass executions' is found to be working for Uber and Lyft in Washington DC

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/16/00/13551136-7034221-image-m-4_1557962012493.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7034221/Is-Uber-driver-war-criminal-Somali-ex-colonel-working-Uber-Lyft.html

  67. High-skilled immigration IS immigration reduction because educated people have less children! The alt-right doesn’t know how to take a win.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Yes it just shifts the displacement of US workers to a different economic class. Instead of tradesmen taking a hit it is the debt saddled US students who worked their ass off to complete STEM grad school from mid tier universities who get the boot and end up working as baristas while hostile foreigners frm India and Chine [who are otherwise staunch nationalists back home] take jobs that could have easily gone to them [and virtue signal them as they do it]

    Whats not to like about that?
    , @bomag
    We should be deporting the last ten year's worth of influx.

    Otherwise we're just swirling the drain a little slower.
  68. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:

    He cannot campaign as an immigration hard-liner because that garners loud groans and eyerolls from his former supporters like Ann Coulter and most of the unseen meme army. He failed on those promises. It exposes him as a liar to run on strict immigration reduction.

    He cannot do a full 180 degree turn on immigration, or he risks losing even the entire flock of Republican sheep who would ordinarily vote for a dead lizard if it had an “R” by its name.

    A half-turn pivot to the middle is literally his only option. He knows the strongest immigration restrictionists are working-class whites, so he throws them the bone that it supposedly won’t be *their jobs on the chopping block (it still will.) It is also a way to signal some racial reprieve for those suffering high Hispanic crime in their towns. It is not a stroke of genius, just a man backed into a corner.

  69. @Thulean Friend
    It's a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020 and even if he doesn't, there's no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.
    More fundamentally, voters are reasonable to ask: why wasn't this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?


    Trump has been one of the biggest hoaxes of all of presidential history.

    It’s a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020

    Explanation needed.

  70. Anonymous[787] • Disclaimer says:

    Mark my words:

    The Subcons will game and scam any ‘skills’ based system from here to Tuesday.

    The end result would make the Mexican influx look like a vicarage tea party.

    • Agree: bomag
  71. • Replies: @eah, @Charles Pewitt
    Why is it that Americans have to look to broads such as Ann Coulter and Jessica Vaughan for leadership on the immigration invasion attack destroying the USA?

    Trump is a treasonous rat who has crawled into bed with Shelly Adelson and the globalizers and the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction.

    Trump wants mass legal immigration to flood into the USA "in the largest numbers ever."

    Trump refuses to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    I hereby challenge that fat-assed baby boomer bastard named Trump to a debate on mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and American national identity.

    Trump is a baby boomer backstabber who has betrayed the American people on immigration.

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/634091404654956544
  72. @International Jew
    I don't care what his plan is. Our immigration problem isn't the lack of a plan or of laws. It's that we don't enforce the laws we have. The Dems could agree with Kushner's plan, so they look moderate, confident that a million phony refugees will bust in every year.

    The Dems could agree with Kushner’s plan, so they look moderate, confident that a million phony refugees will bust in every year.

    The plan does not reform the refugee and asylum laws??

  73. @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like the computer-tech captains of industry got their way over the Big-Ag and Big-Development ones. This won't be good for computer types, engineers, and maybe even lawyers (if we're lucky). I guessit will let certain industries just pick and choose their workers - not helpful for the actual-American middle-class, or what's left of it.

    Does anyone have an org-chart of that clown show they call the West Wing? Can Steven Miller fire Jared Kushner? If so, I'd really like to see that.

    It sounds like the computer-tech captains of industry got their way over the Big-Ag and Big-Development ones.

    Just so. All this bit means is that Wujing and Ranganathajalakrishnavurtha will eat your patrimony rather than Juan Valdez and his trusty goat…but not really even that, since those latter characters already got enough people in – and will continue doing so illegally – to ensure policies mean nothing anyway. That itself leads to the knee-slapper: no one enforces the law, and hasn’t for decades, so the idea of futzing about with slightly different laws and policies no one will enforce either is just preposterous – (“I know before we had a problem with misdemeanor drunk driving and we weren’t arresting anyone for it, but now, by gum, drunk driving is a felony! No, we still won’t be arresting anyone for it, but, dammit, it’s a felony! We aren’t fooling around anymore….”) – yet the stupid masses will eat up the political kabuki of it all.

    TL;DR = MexInChifornia … but not really even that, and either way, Americans can suck it!

  74. @(((Owen)))

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?
     
    There were already too damn many people 130MM people ago when the current wave of mass immigration started. We need to send them all back and stop taking more.

    I don’t know why you are complaining, he has done literally everything for (((you people))).

  75. @anon
    we don't need ANY immigrants

    the only ones that want them are stingy business owners who dont want to pay Americans an honest wage

    Stingy business owners who don’t want to pay druggies an honest wage. FIFY.

  76. @Thulean Friend
    It's a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020 and even if he doesn't, there's no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.
    More fundamentally, voters are reasonable to ask: why wasn't this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?


    Trump has been one of the biggest hoaxes of all of presidential history.

    there’s no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.

    You so did not just say that. Because quite the contrary, I can guarantee you that nothing of the sort is going to happen. What do the betting sites say on this?

  77. @Hail

    the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.
     

    the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States
     
    Three words:

    Trump must lose.

    _______________

    Bumper-sticker version:

    Dump the Chump
    Tucker Carlson 2020

    _______________

    Expanded, eight-word version (more optimistic):

    Trump must lose, that we might yet win.

    Tucker-Coulter 2020!

    Well, a guy can dream, can’t he?

  78. @Paul
    Elite workers, of course, will not be enthusiastic about facing competition from highly-trained immigrants. On the other hand, if capitalists want more high-skilled labor at lower cost, why don't America's rulers appease them by spending the money to train Americans for such labor?

    1. They are, a bit. 2. To really take advantage of such a program, companies would have to move a large amount of their jobs to the Midwest and South. Since the sophisticates that run these companies don’t think we have electricity, this probably won’t happen.

    • Replies: @SkipJack
    Well, the hindus and the chinamen (but mostly the hindus) will move there en masse through their now entrenched "connections" throughout the tech industry

    Ever been to the research triangle area in NC? Chicagoland? Overland park KS? Nashville TN (for God's sake!!!)??? The sheer number of these nepotistist scam artists even in the very heartland ( I hope KS qualifies as one ) of the country in lead positions pricing out heritage americans and creating ethnic enclaves even so far off from shitlibstan on the coasts leaves one despondent in the very least
  79. @Thulean Friend
    It's a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020 and even if he doesn't, there's no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.
    More fundamentally, voters are reasonable to ask: why wasn't this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?


    Trump has been one of the biggest hoaxes of all of presidential history.

    why wasn’t this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?

    Because the priority of Congress was the tax cut. The second priority was gutting Obamacare, more out of spite and hatred of Obama than out of any pressing need to do that. Third priority (or maybe second) was conservative judges, in order to undermine business regulation and roll-back abortion rights. No one in the Republican Congress cared (or cares) about immigration, and Trump, if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, was too much of a political neophyte in 2017-18 to get his way. Even if Trump wins re-election, the Democrats will hold the House, and probably make gains in the Senate, in large part because of the Republicans’ stupidity on healthcare, an issue they have handed to the Dems. So the moment for saving our country has probably passed for good.

  80. @Pericles
    Remember the Somalian who had over the years brought 150 members of his family to Canada? He still had half a dozen brothers in the old country.

    Is your Uber driver a war criminal? Somali ex-colonel known as ‘the crow’ who ‘oversaw mass executions’ is found to be working for Uber and Lyft in Washington DC

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7034221/Is-Uber-driver-war-criminal-Somali-ex-colonel-working-Uber-Lyft.html

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Well, I suppose the colonel lost his war after the mass executions and thus became someone in need of asylum. Fair and humane that he turns up in America.
  81. Trump is obnoxious with the libs – which is partly why we like him – but it ends up putting their back up and blocking him. The dems had roughly the same position as the right on illegal immigration before Trump came along. It makes me think we need some kind of Nixon-in-China left wing politician (as in Denmark) to get serious with immigration.

  82. What America really needs is a Kushner emigration programme.

  83. @Wilkey

    The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said.
     
    Oh, is that what our family reunification law does?

    Actually it doesn't just reunite nuclear families. It allows adults to sponsor their adult siblings, as well, which makes absolutely zero sense, and is what gives rise to chain migration. What it also does is allow people to sponsor spouses from foreign countries, which benefits people from backwards cultures that support arranged marriages far more than it benefits other Americans.

    To me it seems like you could get a lot of mileage by presenting family reunification as a discriminatory policy. Why should recent immigrants have far more say over who gets to immigrate here than other Americans have? A guy who came here yesterday can eventually sponsor dozens of family members from his home country. People like me, whose ancestry goes back entirely to before the Civil War and almost entirely to before the Revolution, cannot sponsor anyone at all.

    Abdi Mohammed bin Mohammed can bring his whole damn clan...er, family...over from Somalia. I, however, cannot sponsor a single solitary soul from my ancestral home of Great Britain, despite the fact that my ancestors did far more to build this country than Abdi's did. And I better not even dare try to bring "disparate impact" or "one man, one vote" into the matter or watch Twatter just explode.

    Reverse that policy and give people like me more say over who immigrates next than people who arrived more recently and you'd have wild allegations of bigotry and a landmark Supreme Court case. And we know exactly how Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan would rule.

    In fact we did once have a law kind of like that. It was the National Origins Act , which made sure that immigrants were basically representative of the people already here. But that law was Evil, Vile & Racist. For some reason Family Reunification is not, though it effectively does the same thing but in reverse.

    As I’ve mentioned here before, every time I disembark at DFW, there is a line of 20 or so wheelchairs pushed by South Asians waiting to take a score of old South Asians from the aircraft to the promised land of good healthcare and other bennies.

  84. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG
    High-skilled immigration IS immigration reduction because educated people have less children! The alt-right doesn't know how to take a win.

    Yes it just shifts the displacement of US workers to a different economic class. Instead of tradesmen taking a hit it is the debt saddled US students who worked their ass off to complete STEM grad school from mid tier universities who get the boot and end up working as baristas while hostile foreigners frm India and Chine [who are otherwise staunch nationalists back home] take jobs that could have easily gone to them [and virtue signal them as they do it]

    Whats not to like about that?

    • Replies: @IHTG
    There's plenty to like about it. The college-educated are better positioned to demand immigration reduction from elites. So it's a two-step process:

    1) Shift immigration from low-skilled to high-skilled.

    2) Further down the road, reduce immigration.

    In the meantime, the immigrants that do come leave less of a demographic footprint.

    And don't give me any bullshit about "importing a hostile elite". Your elite is already hostile. Let them feel the consequences of their beliefs.
  85. eah says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1128781282001997827
    • Replies: @eah
    Very probably absolutely nothing in the "completely moderate platform" to end the abuse of asylum -- what good will it do to reduce family-based visas and end the 'Diversity Lottery' if those same numbers (and likely significantly more) get in via claiming asylum, followed by 'catch and release'?

    https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/1128463422121754632
    , @IHTG
    Sad but true: Mark Krikorian is a bit of a grifter.

    He doesn't like Trump. He doesn't care about Trump getting a win, or about incrementally moving the ball forward on immigration. His agenda is to keep on campaigning for his preferred policies and he's prepared to fight that battle for DECADES to come. "Trench warfare", he calls it. In the meantime, the United States becomes less white by the day.

    So maybe a more popular GOP president will come along some day and Krikorian will get his entire wishlist fulfilled after all. But are you willing to bet on that?

  86. It’s a trap!

    Off-topic – Divorced Norwegian princess shacks up with Afro-American shaman (can’t tell if legacy or immigrant) who can stop aging. Brings him home to Papa

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7026707/Princess-Martha-Louise-Norway-reveals-shes-love-shaman-Los-Angeles.html

    He refers to himself as being an ‘evolutionary innovator, spirit hacker, women’s empowerment leader and human rights activist.’

    The two have a series of conferences together, called the Princess and the Shaman, two of which will be in Olso, Stavanger and Tromso on 21st, 22nd, 23rd of May. The guy was clinically dead 30 years ago and woke up woke. He’s friends with Gwyneth Paltrow.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1127358/princess-martha-norway-royal-news-shaman-durek-pictures-instagram

  87. eah says:
    @eah

    Very probably absolutely nothing in the “completely moderate platform” to end the abuse of asylum — what good will it do to reduce family-based visas and end the ‘Diversity Lottery’ if those same numbers (and likely significantly more) get in via claiming asylum, followed by ‘catch and release’?

    • Replies: @eah
    "They should apply in Mexico"

    Why should they? -- they aren't legally obligated to.

    It's disturbing, even disgusting, that someone like Krikorian would say "They should apply in Mexico" -- instead he should say 'It is imperative that the US conclude, ASAP, a safe third country agreement with Mexico -- properly enforced, such an agreement would preclude asylum-seekers from traveling thru Mexico in order to apply for asylum in the US -- they would be legally obligated to apply in Mexico, and the US could legally refuse them entry -- refuse to allow anyone entering thru Mexico to apply for asylum in the US'.

    See Dublin Regulation -- key to the 2015 refugee crisis in Europe was Merkel's declaration that Germany would not enforce the 'Dubliner Übereinkommen'.
  88. IHTG says:
    @Anon
    Yes it just shifts the displacement of US workers to a different economic class. Instead of tradesmen taking a hit it is the debt saddled US students who worked their ass off to complete STEM grad school from mid tier universities who get the boot and end up working as baristas while hostile foreigners frm India and Chine [who are otherwise staunch nationalists back home] take jobs that could have easily gone to them [and virtue signal them as they do it]

    Whats not to like about that?

    There’s plenty to like about it. The college-educated are better positioned to demand immigration reduction from elites. So it’s a two-step process:

    1) Shift immigration from low-skilled to high-skilled.

    2) Further down the road, reduce immigration.

    In the meantime, the immigrants that do come leave less of a demographic footprint.

    And don’t give me any bullshit about “importing a hostile elite”. Your elite is already hostile. Let them feel the consequences of their beliefs.

    • Replies: @SkipJack
    I don't think it'll work out like that, although I pray it does.

    Well, for starters, STEM students from mid tier schools already face an uphill task getting in unless they are Indian or Chinese what with the racist hiring practices in many companies filled to the rafters with hindus and Chinamen.

    So if they end up working as a barista, their chances of a middle class Life is already looking week.

    As for your second point coming to fruition, by the time that happens, s*** would have already hit the fan (I hope). The sooner it comes, the better for everyone.
    , @Tired of of Not Winning
    Either you're a globalist rat who stand to gain from this plan, or you're an idiot.
  89. IHTG says:
    @eah

    Sad but true: Mark Krikorian is a bit of a grifter.

    He doesn’t like Trump. He doesn’t care about Trump getting a win, or about incrementally moving the ball forward on immigration. His agenda is to keep on campaigning for his preferred policies and he’s prepared to fight that battle for DECADES to come. “Trench warfare”, he calls it. In the meantime, the United States becomes less white by the day.

    So maybe a more popular GOP president will come along some day and Krikorian will get his entire wishlist fulfilled after all. But are you willing to bet on that?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Sad but true: Mark Krikorian is a bit of a grifter.

    What makes you think that?
  90. @Almost Missouri
    So long as the fraudulent refugee asylum debacle continues bringing millions across the southern border (who are not being deported or even tracked), this is all kabuki.

    The asylum system needs to be addressed immediately. It’s the priority.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1129128056386392068
  91. Searching the net via DDG on Kushner e-verify, and not clicking on any links, gives the impression they thought about it, but rejected it as possibly effective. E-verify is probably the only immigration policy that the mighty fed gov could for sure implement.

  92. eah says:
    @eah
    Very probably absolutely nothing in the "completely moderate platform" to end the abuse of asylum -- what good will it do to reduce family-based visas and end the 'Diversity Lottery' if those same numbers (and likely significantly more) get in via claiming asylum, followed by 'catch and release'?

    https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/1128463422121754632

    “They should apply in Mexico”

    Why should they? — they aren’t legally obligated to.

    It’s disturbing, even disgusting, that someone like Krikorian would say “They should apply in Mexico” — instead he should say ‘It is imperative that the US conclude, ASAP, a safe third country agreement with Mexico — properly enforced, such an agreement would preclude asylum-seekers from traveling thru Mexico in order to apply for asylum in the US — they would be legally obligated to apply in Mexico, and the US could legally refuse them entry — refuse to allow anyone entering thru Mexico to apply for asylum in the US’.

    See Dublin Regulation — key to the 2015 refugee crisis in Europe was Merkel’s declaration that Germany would not enforce the ‘Dubliner Übereinkommen’.

  93. @anon
    So long as the fraudulent refugee asylum debacle continues bringing millions across the southern border (who are not being deported or even tracked), this is all kabuki.

    Is that not addressed in the plan?

    Where?

    “would impose new security measures at the border”?

    It no longer matters how high the “wall” is. Migrants now just go to the nearest border official and demand “asylum”, and the border official immediately puts them on an air-conditioned bus to your neighborhood, with a ticket to an asylum hearing they will never attend.

    Like the migrant “rescue” ships shuttling invaders from North Africa to Europe, the US “asylum” system is now part of the conveyor belt bringing invaders into the US.

    The Mediterranean waters and a simple border wall could easily stop third world invaders. So instead we are lending them our first world ships and busses to bring the invaders in their millions through our normal ports of entry so they are not inconvenienced by nature’s or man’s little obstacles.

    Now Jared Kuschner plans to supplement that invasion with an additional invasion of ambitious and nepotistic second world invaders to dispossess the American middle class.

    It’s 100% bad news.

  94. @IHTG
    There's plenty to like about it. The college-educated are better positioned to demand immigration reduction from elites. So it's a two-step process:

    1) Shift immigration from low-skilled to high-skilled.

    2) Further down the road, reduce immigration.

    In the meantime, the immigrants that do come leave less of a demographic footprint.

    And don't give me any bullshit about "importing a hostile elite". Your elite is already hostile. Let them feel the consequences of their beliefs.

    I don’t think it’ll work out like that, although I pray it does.

    Well, for starters, STEM students from mid tier schools already face an uphill task getting in unless they are Indian or Chinese what with the racist hiring practices in many companies filled to the rafters with hindus and Chinamen.

    So if they end up working as a barista, their chances of a middle class Life is already looking week.

    As for your second point coming to fruition, by the time that happens, s*** would have already hit the fan (I hope). The sooner it comes, the better for everyone.

  95. @eah
    "They should apply in Mexico"

    Why should they? -- they aren't legally obligated to.

    It's disturbing, even disgusting, that someone like Krikorian would say "They should apply in Mexico" -- instead he should say 'It is imperative that the US conclude, ASAP, a safe third country agreement with Mexico -- properly enforced, such an agreement would preclude asylum-seekers from traveling thru Mexico in order to apply for asylum in the US -- they would be legally obligated to apply in Mexico, and the US could legally refuse them entry -- refuse to allow anyone entering thru Mexico to apply for asylum in the US'.

    See Dublin Regulation -- key to the 2015 refugee crisis in Europe was Merkel's declaration that Germany would not enforce the 'Dubliner Übereinkommen'.
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/AmRenReposts/status/1127991025044033536
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    "Minnesota"
  96. @t
    https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1128752067173134341

    David Burge (“Iowahawk”) spot-on, as usual.

    Furthermore, had Lyft or Uber bothered inquiring into this war criminal’s past …

    Question 11: Are you an immigrant?

    . Subpart a): Were you involved in any wars or political violence in your home country?

    . . Sub-subpart i): Were you inflicting the violence, receiving the violence or both?

    . . . Please attach documents showing you are a war criminal.

    … Jake Tapper and the rest of the Lying Press would have gone ballistic about heartless white capitalists disparaging poor immigrants of color.

    Lyft and Uber operate in the ethical environment established and policed by Jake Tapper and company.

    Jake Tapper is more to blame for war criminals sharing rides with Americans than Lyft and Uber are.

  97. Do you really think some of the middle class isn’t doing that already?? Many folks in tech, IT and now accounting have been shouting about it since two decades now.

    Apparently, phoning in your CONgressmen or writing to the whorewhite-house is a waste of time. Unless heritage americans take to the streets like they did in Boston and Philly back in the day, nothings gonna change. When these foreigners think of themselves as entitled to a high visibility protest despite not being citizens, natives definitely should take to the streets en masse to highlight their just cause

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  98. …overhaul parts of the nation’s immigration system that would impose new security measures at the border

    Security measures that will hardly be enforced or if they are a federal judge will strike them down a “unconstitutional”. It looks like there’s no net change to overall numbers which means we still get 1.1 million immigrants of which about 85% hail from the third world. And I won’t be surprised if before it’s all said and done that Trump and Javanka don’t agree to a net increase because they tell us the economy is so good and jobs aren’t being filled.

  99. @indocon
    This policy would shift the new arrivals from Mexicans and Filipinos who at least give 30% - 40% of the vote to Republicans to Indians and Chinese who give <20% of their vote, for a net loss of 10% - 20%. Instead of the stupid party it should be called the dumb as dog crap party.

    This policy would shift the new arrivals from Mexicans and Filipinos who at least give 30% – 40% of the vote to Republicans to Indians and Chinese who give <20% of their vote, for a net loss of 10% – 20%. Instead of the stupid party it should be called the dumb as dog crap party.

    It may not be that straightforward:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/obama-asian-americans-voted-republican-gop-wants-bring-them-back-n873401

    Chinese Americans are indeed a voting group to watch since their support for the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, appeared to wane compared to President Barack Obama in 2012.

    While Obama got 69 percent of their vote in 2012, Clinton took just 61 percent in 2016, according to the National Asian American Survey.

    https://www.wnyc.org/story/chinese-american-voters-flirting-gop/

    Stanley Ng, an opponent of the administration’s plan to end New York’s test for Specialized High Schools, argued that the test fosters a meritocracy — which is why he likes that Chinese Americans are getting renewed attention from the GOP.

    “They’re saying the right things… and they’re saying we should vote Republican,” said Ng, who added that Chinese Americans are in turn “beginning to listen.”

    Asian Americans across the country have flexed conservative on matters of homelessness and immigration. Chinese Americans in particular helped defeat a measure to make Maryland a sanctuary state last year. Wong says all of this undermines the idea that communities of color stand in solidarity.

    “Because when you have a non-white group that is taking more conservative positions and having real success then you’re really threatening the traditional, longstanding civil rights coalition of people of color,” said Wong.

    I tried googling Indian numbers, but kept getting Native American results. Then I tried with the word “Hindu” and had better luck:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-hindu-americans-dont-vote-republican/

    According to data from the Washington Post, fewer than 7 percent of Hindus are likely to have voted for Trump. Only a slightly larger percentage of Hindus voted for Mitt Romney. Hindus strongly favor the Democratic party over the Republican party—more so than almost any other ethnic or religious group in the United States.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    The Indians support liberals and liberal policies for the same reason some American white males do - they are often physically weak and unattractive. Their liberalism is born out of jealousy and feelings of inadequacy. They also tend to lump together with their co-ethnics.

    This doesn’t have to be the case. I know an Indian who in HS wrestled and played football. Wants to crush the libs more than many others. But he is rare because the phenotype of strength is rare amongst Indians and this will remain true if it’s genetic. I imagine their military participation rate reflects this reality as well.

    Hopefully I am wrong.
  100. @Redneck farmer
    1. They are, a bit. 2. To really take advantage of such a program, companies would have to move a large amount of their jobs to the Midwest and South. Since the sophisticates that run these companies don't think we have electricity, this probably won't happen.

    Well, the hindus and the chinamen (but mostly the hindus) will move there en masse through their now entrenched “connections” throughout the tech industry

    Ever been to the research triangle area in NC? Chicagoland? Overland park KS? Nashville TN (for God’s sake!!!)??? The sheer number of these nepotistist scam artists even in the very heartland ( I hope KS qualifies as one ) of the country in lead positions pricing out heritage americans and creating ethnic enclaves even so far off from shitlibstan on the coasts leaves one despondent in the very least

  101. It’s ironic that Jared Kushner is the architect of a plan to favor marketable skills over family ties for immigration purposes. If his own skills — as opposed to his family ties (his felonious father is still a New Jersey real estate billionaire) — determined his job, he’d be what? A rental broker in Jersey City?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Okay, well, by that standard Jared K. is a patriot since he favors an immigration standard he couldn't, personally, meet.
  102. @Gary in Gramercy
    It's ironic that Jared Kushner is the architect of a plan to favor marketable skills over family ties for immigration purposes. If his own skills -- as opposed to his family ties (his felonious father is still a New Jersey real estate billionaire) -- determined his job, he'd be what? A rental broker in Jersey City?

    Okay, well, by that standard Jared K. is a patriot since he favors an immigration standard he couldn’t, personally, meet.

  103. @Johann Ricke

    This policy would shift the new arrivals from Mexicans and Filipinos who at least give 30% – 40% of the vote to Republicans to Indians and Chinese who give <20% of their vote, for a net loss of 10% – 20%. Instead of the stupid party it should be called the dumb as dog crap party.
     
    It may not be that straightforward:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/obama-asian-americans-voted-republican-gop-wants-bring-them-back-n873401

    Chinese Americans are indeed a voting group to watch since their support for the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, appeared to wane compared to President Barack Obama in 2012.

    While Obama got 69 percent of their vote in 2012, Clinton took just 61 percent in 2016, according to the National Asian American Survey.
     
    https://www.wnyc.org/story/chinese-american-voters-flirting-gop/

    Stanley Ng, an opponent of the administration's plan to end New York's test for Specialized High Schools, argued that the test fosters a meritocracy — which is why he likes that Chinese Americans are getting renewed attention from the GOP.

    "They're saying the right things... and they're saying we should vote Republican," said Ng, who added that Chinese Americans are in turn "beginning to listen."

    Asian Americans across the country have flexed conservative on matters of homelessness and immigration. Chinese Americans in particular helped defeat a measure to make Maryland a sanctuary state last year. Wong says all of this undermines the idea that communities of color stand in solidarity.

    "Because when you have a non-white group that is taking more conservative positions and having real success then you're really threatening the traditional, longstanding civil rights coalition of people of color," said Wong.
     
    I tried googling Indian numbers, but kept getting Native American results. Then I tried with the word "Hindu" and had better luck:

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-hindu-americans-dont-vote-republican/

    According to data from the Washington Post, fewer than 7 percent of Hindus are likely to have voted for Trump. Only a slightly larger percentage of Hindus voted for Mitt Romney. Hindus strongly favor the Democratic party over the Republican party—more so than almost any other ethnic or religious group in the United States.
     

    The Indians support liberals and liberal policies for the same reason some American white males do – they are often physically weak and unattractive. Their liberalism is born out of jealousy and feelings of inadequacy. They also tend to lump together with their co-ethnics.

    This doesn’t have to be the case. I know an Indian who in HS wrestled and played football. Wants to crush the libs more than many others. But he is rare because the phenotype of strength is rare amongst Indians and this will remain true if it’s genetic. I imagine their military participation rate reflects this reality as well.

    Hopefully I am wrong.

  104. @Auntie Analogue
    Gee, thanks, Jared. Just what I wanted: to be put out and kept out of work along with my countrymen and to be ruled over by a rapidly expanded Imported Overclass.

    Geeeee-nius. Sheer geeeee-nius.

    Up until recently my job involved federal government new hires. I think the average American would be shocked by just how many of the new hires are of East Indian and Chinese extraction (naturalized citizens and second generation). In D.C., New York, Boston, Chicago, et al. They have all learned that federal employment is where the money and status is. From DOJ to EPA to DOE, the ranks are filling with East and South Asians (and of course large numbers from the third world). And we’re not talking cognitive elites. A lot will be second-tier state schools (GMU, UMD, JMU) in business/info systems/policy grads with an online master’s.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Anon000 wrote:

    Up until recently my job involved federal government new hires. I think the average American would be shocked by just how many of the new hires are of East Indian and Chinese extraction (naturalized citizens and second generation).
     
    I'm currently trying to deal with a bunch of bureaucrats on a complex issue. I wish they were all South or East Asians: the Asians tend to be relatively intelligent and reasonably sane.
  105. Jareds’ and Van Jones’ First Step Act reduced mandatory minimums for federally convicted drug dealers, drastically reduced overall prison time and continued early release of previously convicted drug dealers, all in the middle of an heroin epidemic that is killing thousands of Americans each year.

    A real estate mogul and MSB lover will now make immigration policy?

  106. @Neoconned
    https://www.npr.org/2019/05/15/723518379/u-s-births-fell-to-a-32-year-low-in-2018-cdc-says-birthrate-is-at-record-level

    Steve, U.S. birth rate at 32 yr low despite "growing economy"

    Actually, sneaky NPR says “lowest number of births in 32 years”. In reality, it is the lowest US birthrate EVER.

    And of course US white birthrate even lower.

    But NPR policy is “don’t frighten the whites, don’t anger the blacks”, so the story is

    lowest births in 32 years, … for some mysterious reason. But probably just a big blip. Who can possibly know what’s going on, really?

  107. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:

    Save for a few occupations, which are gated by standardized exams, most of the modern “skills” are “proven” with college degrees. So the plan is to allow either corrupt university admin staff, or even worse, the corrupt Indian school system, decide who comes and who doesn’t? I don’t know much about the selection process in Israel, Egypt, or Nigeria, but I don’t see why it should be inferior to Indians, or the Yale/Stanford coaches.

    In contrast, people in Italy, Spain, Ireland, Serbia, and quite a few of the most White and Christian ones, don’t kill themselves over degrees. I bet the percentage of graduates in Spain is lower than in Egypt. (Well, I know some of you would object to Serbs or Italians. Well, enjoy you Jews and Indians, then.)

    It sounds like the perfect recipe to bring in their most venal. It also selects against Christian Whites. Surprisingly, as long as whites are a majority, a family-based system is the last resort to bring in a sizeable number of whites. And a lottery would at least reduce the number of sociopaths.

    GG, Kushner.

  108. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    Did you know that, last year, Australians lost the ability to make cars? That’s worse than some the Central Asian Stans. What are all these “skilled” immigrants doing? And is there any connection with the fact they are mostly Indians?

  109. @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote:

    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’.
     
    That's simple-minded.

    Two basic questions should be key:

    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?

    The second question may become crucial in a few years: twenty million more people in the USA is not a disaster, but three hundred million more is certainly a big problem.

    But the first problem... well, the reason most American are more comfortable with immigrants from Canada or Switzerland than Ghana or Bangladesh is not the color of their skin but the fact that the Swiss or Canadians grasp what the USA is about more than the vast majority off Ghanians or Bangladeshis.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh (he's in Navy ROTC!) whom I have good reason to respect. But, on average, West Europeans are going to fit in better than immigrants from the Third World. And, East Asians will fit in better than sub-Saharna Africans on average.

    And so on.

    And everyone knows this.

    It's really culture and, of course, individual characteristics.

    But everyone is afraid to talk about what everyone knows because they know they will be accused of racism.

    Absurd. It's the culture, stupid.

    That’s simple-minded.

    It is simple minded to debate further without acknowledging the USA is in the midst of a current wave that has seen 60 million come since 1965, which even if stopped today, would go down in history as the greatest transnational, mass immigration wave in history. Yet, far from being stopped, it continues unabated.

    If you are telling me that the USA needs to sustain this influx to continue as a going concern, then our issue is not immigration. Our issue is a broken nation and society that either need to be fixed, or needs to be dissolved into nations and societies that are capable of sustaining themselves.

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?

    Yes and no. The landmass of the USA could surely be packed with as many people as live in China. Our landmass is comparable. The question is do you want to live in such a populous nation, and if so why? The onus should be on those wanting such an enormous population, not on us.

    You really need to look at the list of the most populous nations on earth and ask yourself is that something we really want. Right now we are comfortably in 3rd place with 330 million. If we had our number from WW2 (140 million) we’d still be in the top 10.

    Check out the concept of scale sometimes as it is referenced to population, and you will understand why the most desirable places tend to be those not competing to be number one in population.

    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?

    Crucially will the USA and the rest of the European world remain European? The fact that this type of question could even be suggested should give pause for more immigration. The fact that this is set to become reality, especially in the USA, should be the clarion call to end immigration and begin some sort of repatriation.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh

    That’s a problem. High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.

    Just think about this. There are 7.5 billion and counting in the world. For sake of math, let’s say 6 billion of these live in low-developed areas of the world. Now we know the USA has taken in 60 million in 50 years. Let’s say the USA will agree to take in another 60 million in 30 years. And Europe will also take in 60 million over 30 years. Forget for the moment the effects on USA/Europe in trying to break our current immigration record. Let’s just suppose we did it.

    OK, 120 million would represent only 2 percent of that 6 billion. The result in 30 years is that 98 percent of those folks in the developing world would still be there. Of course if you factor in their birth rate, they would more than replace those 120 million. Which means essentially all of them and then some would be still there.

    So skimming their top talent condemns those entire populations to perpetual poverty and chaos. How can anyone support that? That is akin to stealing the natural resources of some nation. If that is condemned, why is not the other?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote to me:

    High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.
     
    Yeah. On the one hand, I cannot blame these two people for leaving Bangladesh and Ghana and coming to the States, and they will actually be a positive force in the USA. On the other hand, their homelands need them.

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)

    By the way, when I said above, "It's the culture, stupid," I did not mean that you were "stupid"! I was just alluding to the famous phrase "It's the economy, stupid."

    Apologies to anyone who misunderstood: after I posted, I realized it could be taken differently than I intended.

    There are real moral dilemmas involved here. I do not think there is any perfect solution to the immigration issue, though it is clear that current policies are not good.
  110. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG
    Sad but true: Mark Krikorian is a bit of a grifter.

    He doesn't like Trump. He doesn't care about Trump getting a win, or about incrementally moving the ball forward on immigration. His agenda is to keep on campaigning for his preferred policies and he's prepared to fight that battle for DECADES to come. "Trench warfare", he calls it. In the meantime, the United States becomes less white by the day.

    So maybe a more popular GOP president will come along some day and Krikorian will get his entire wishlist fulfilled after all. But are you willing to bet on that?

    Sad but true: Mark Krikorian is a bit of a grifter.

    What makes you think that?

  111. GU says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like the computer-tech captains of industry got their way over the Big-Ag and Big-Development ones. This won't be good for computer types, engineers, and maybe even lawyers (if we're lucky). I guessit will let certain industries just pick and choose their workers - not helpful for the actual-American middle-class, or what's left of it.

    Does anyone have an org-chart of that clown show they call the West Wing? Can Steven Miller fire Jared Kushner? If so, I'd really like to see that.

    Always cracks me up that people think lawyers have it so good. Except for cushy government jobs and maybe 2%-5% of lawyers in private practice, most lawyers dislike practicing law and get paid far less than you might expect. And the problem is not a restricted supply of lawyers, as many spergy economists assert (unlike Medical Schools, law schools encouraged as many people as possible to enroll).

    But staying on topic, unless you graduate from an USA law school, only New York will let you take the bar exam as far as I know. Maybe things have changed, but I remember it not being easy for foreigners to practice in the U.S. So I don’t think this plan will affect the legal industry. It’s a state law matter , not federal law.

    But anyway, would you really hire Pajeet or Wi Shun Lu or Mmbopo Mwezopo to defend your lawsuit?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I have no argument regarding the market for lawyers, GU. I just hope I don't have to talk to any lawyers for the remainder of my life, no matter where they come from.
  112. Trump is such an asshole. There are hundreds of TRUE and politically popular (on the Right and center) arguments for LOWER levels of immigration. Does Trump use any of them? He’s a fool, and his advisors are fools.

    This country is dead. It’s over. Trump 2017-18 was the last chance to save even barebones civilization (forget Western Civ or the Real America) in the US, and Trump/GOP blew it. It’s over. The only hope is for conservative Whites to migrate and ingather into red state areas; save money; stockpile food and arms; and then when times are propitious, secede. Get out of Amerikwa. The nation failed. The WASP fools failed. They couldn’t hold onto what their tougher ancestors created. They got liberal – the ideology of racial suicide.

    And still most dumbass White losers cannot face what is being done to us. We are the weakest people in history. We will not survive, nor will this nation, nor does it deserve to.

    My race is my nation from now on.

  113. @anon
    The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said.

    Hugely misleading, no?

    The part delinking family ties from immigration standards is good, as is the civics exam, especially since some of the tech workers brought here to displace US citizens from jobs are from nations with very different cultural and political ideals.

    The US has such a large pool of foreigners from multiple nationalities that many of the new, almost universally young, educated, legal immigrants will find marriage partners in the USA that anchor them to citizenship.

    Since the overall number of new legal immigrants brought in to take jobs is not reduced, the labor of the 95 million US citizens (16 to 65) who are out of the labor force will continue to be undervalued by employers. Some 7 million new UC applicants each month—counted as unemployed by the Establishment only due to recent Unemployment Compensation applications—will continue to compete with a flood of noncitizens for jobs.

    By putting education and skills standards in place, it sounds like they are cutting down on the number of poor Third Worlders, coming to America to take low-wage jobs, undercutting US citizens because of US-born kids that qualify them for free monthly bills—from free EBT food, to free electricity, to free or reduced-cost housing—with monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash thrown on top to sweeten the deal for the low-earning womb producers in single-breadwinner households.

    It sounds that way until you consider that the overall number of new, legal immigrants stays the same. Since the number of legal immigrants admitted to the USA every year is between 1.5 — 1.7 million, the low-skilled welfare-eligible group is likely still included in that figure, using some kind of fine-print trickster language.

    What is the Cheap Labor Lobby for if they don’t do our six-figure government workers’ work for them, writing up all of the American Last legislation.

    But it could also mean that the number of educated (or otherwise “skilled”) legal immigrants is being increased, with the low-skilled welfare-eligible immigrants reduced to make room for more educated, higher paid foreign nationals to displace the former US middle class.

    The welfare-eligible immigrants make life almost impossible for non-welfare-eligible citizens at the bottom of the wage pool. This group faces unaffordable rent and 40 years of immigration-induced wage stagnation, but then, so do most of the college-educated citizens in all but a few market-rewarded fields or outside of the crony-parent job network, where friends don’t let fellow backwatching-absentee parents or their friends’ kids go unemployed. Whereas the high-skilled immigrants just supplant the natural-born US middle class, a group that has never held so many college degrees or so much student loan debt.

    I am skeptical after seeing the temp-churn job market in financial services. Thanks to advanced software that does most of the frequently absentee moms’ work for them, whole buildings are full of nothing but single and married moms, mostly without degrees or even “legally required” certifications when pertinent.

    These womb-productive women are able to work cheaply due to lifestyle factors, like spousal income, rent-covering child support checks or monthly welfare and refundable child tax credits that make it easy for them to work for rock-bottom wages, officially (or unofficially) part time, depending on whether or not they need to stay under the earned-income limits for welfare programs that cover their major household bills.

    The voted-best-for-moms jobs are also often just temp gigs, and just like the low-wage part-time work that won’t cover rent for single, childless women and women with kids over 18 who must live on earned-only income, temp gigs are fine with welfare-eligible moms who just drop their welfare during months when they go over the programs’ earned-incomes limits.

    It’s a bigly, greatly rigged setup for moms who are not working very hard by design.

    Non-college-educated females with unearned income for womb productivity, working only part time and comprising half of all employed-in-name-only persons in the USA, with their pay for sex and reproduction from Uncle Sam or their spousal income bumping up their wages, have supplanted most of the college-educated people who used to do those office jobs, computing most things by hand.

    Given all of the educated citizens and all of the foreigners doing crazy-stupid things to access our besmirched institutions of higher learning in the USA, I am not sure that I believe that US corporations lack a sufficient number of qualified, educated citizens to fill the jobs.

    Debt-fueled, Fed-fed, stock-buy-back corporations are just seeking foreigners whose lifestyles enable them to work for less pay.

    It might not be the same welfare-rigged labor market full of low-skilled foreigners with US-born kids. Instead, we might get even more educated foreigners, willing to live 10 to a one-room apartment in the posher areas of town, lowering the standard of living of the US middle class to near Industrial Age tenement fare with some value-added trendiness in safer areas of cities, while the top 2o%er dual-earner parents in above-firing, family-friendly, absenteeism-friendly jobs keep their Barbie-princess-feminist-palace Housing-Bubble lifestyles intact via cheap foreign labor and the government-ensured liquidity of the rigged stock casino.

    Tech companies probably just want a flood of cheaper, younger, foreign national temps who live in big groups, splitting the cost of otherwise unaffordable rent, much like the other churn-able workers in the lower-paying, mom-dominated positions across many different industries do mostly by means of womb-productivity-based welfare.

    In either case, they are mostly hired via revolving-door temp agencies that reduce labor costs for big business.

    This is one of the many forces demolishing the formerly strong US middle class, brick by brick.

    The Cheap Labor Lobby controls the legislative branch, the executive branch and the Supreme Court, forming a fully triangulated balance of powers with no power for the people. The corporate-owned Fourth Estate backs them up with a PR wing, rather than serving as a check on power.

  114. Dammit Trump! PeterIke’s Law was a warning, not a how-to manual!

    This is great, just great. Immigration policy goes from bad to much worse.

    Arrivederci America!

  115. @Thomm

    Trump Immigration Plan Emphasizes Immigrants’ Skills Over Family Ties
     
    This is a good, common-sense plan. No more family chain migration.

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.

    About 80% of the American electorate would support Kushner's plan.

    No immigration at all is a better plan. Thumb, India needs you. Half your people are pooping in the road and yet you have nothing better to do than chirp at us…

  116. @anon

    Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser
     
    any qualifications?

    LOL

    Kushner’s qualifications are that the parentheticals abide.

  117. @anon
    They should have addressed these issues sequentially, item-by-item over a period of months. Any of them are political winners standing alone.

    By focusing on the issues one at a time via discrete proposed legislation, the Trump administration could have educated the electorate about them and really exposed the Democrats as being out of their minds, if not downright treasonous.

    By lumping them together in one package, the administration has made the educational work much more difficult and obscures the individual merits of each initiative. A "package deal" also opens the door to Democrats to add a bunch of "immigration-related" wishes, such as DACA ammesty.

    Big strategic mistake.

    By lumping them together in one package, the administration has made the educational work much more difficult and obscures the individual merits of each initiative. A “package deal” also opens the door to Democrats to add a bunch of “immigration-related” wishes, such as DACA ammesty.

    Comprehensive Immigration Reform is not a plan; it is a coalition. It is nothing more than the stakeholder’s wish list lumped together being packaged as a rational policy. Whenever possible, the economic interests tell us it is the right thing to do for the country because these people are such angels, and the ethnic interests tell us they are economically necessary.

    This is why Trump knows he can offer any proposal, no matter how lopsided, and that it will not be accepted by the other side. Whatever part of the coalition draws the short straw and is left out will immediately drop their support for the coalition.

    The Democrats are now at the mercy of the three racial identity caucuses; Hispanic, Asian, and black. All agree that more of them is better and none will sacrifice one of theirs for another coalition partner. If nothing else, what Trump can do is get the main groups within the Democratic coalition to engage in bitter infighting instead of reflecting their racial animosity towards the majority population. Whichever identity group emerges as the strongest will be easier to single out and crush piecemeal.

  118. So, is the plan to campaign on a completely moderate platform to expose how insane Democrats have gotten on immigration? Would that work?

    It’s a national sovereignty proof of concept. Let the Ds run against that and lose, then you can tweak it any way you want, which will be to restrict skilled immigration to cut down on the competition for the kids of swing voters.

    The kicker is that you can argue that all the cool countries are already doing it, which is an argument such voters already find irresistible.

  119. @Thomm

    Trump Immigration Plan Emphasizes Immigrants’ Skills Over Family Ties
     
    This is a good, common-sense plan. No more family chain migration.

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.

    About 80% of the American electorate would support Kushner's plan.

    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid’s college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Which one hurts him more?

    I don't know. You tell me.
    , @eah
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd.

    But:

    Which one hurts him more?

    Does that mean both are bad? -- but other than that it's a great plan and makes a lot of "sense", right? -- except to dumbasses like us who don't want to be forced to choose between two undesirable alternatives.

    "LOL" -- what an idiot.

    , @Bill
    That's the wrong choice. Immigration benefits capital and land at the expense of labor while inflicting congestion on all. Choosing the type of immigration just chooses which stratum of labor gets hurt the most.

    The current wave of immigration is already about as big, in percentage terms, as the great wave spanning the turn of the 20th century. We don't have a big country to fill up any more. There is no reason to have any net immigration.
    , @Louis Renault
    Zero is the wrong number. The right number is negative 22 million. They have to go back.
    , @Thomm

    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them.
     
    Yep.

    Keep in mind that there is much less to White Trashionalism than meets the eye.

    As Peterike rightly said :

    "White Trashionlism is nothing more than the bottom decile of white men angry about the fact that the bottom decile of white women are no longer forced to be with them.".
    , @jbwilson24
    "Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid’s college prospects? Which one hurts him more?"

    I'll take the Latinos. You have no idea how clannish, misogynistic, conniving and un-American most Indians/Pakis/Kashmiris are. Massive rates of welfare fraud, etc.

    Try living in an area where they are > 50+% of the population and let me know how it goes.

    Here's a hint: when those groups are a minority, they act nice and keep a low profile. When they are more numerous, they don't feel the need to be nice any more.

    , @PiltdownMan

    Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income...
     
    The link below has some information on levels of emigration out of India, albeit about fifteen years old.

    From 1995-2005, about half a million Indians emigrated to America, and a quarter million each to Canada, the UK, and the rest of Europe.

    In any given year in that time frame, about 65,000 Indian students were studying in America, perhaps many in graduate school.

    Assuming average time as a student is about 2.5 years (averaging out the time it takes to get a master's degree in a STEM discipline with getting a Ph.D. or bachelor's degree) and (safely) assuming that all these students immigrate, about a third of the Indian immigrants to India in that decade had degrees from American universities.

    I'm not sure how H-1B workers tie into all this. They seem to be a huge group all by themselves, most with Indian degrees or programming diplomas.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/emigration-immigration-and-diaspora-relations-india
  120. I’m not happy that I voted for Jared.

    I thought I was voting for Ivanka.

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    They ain't real!

    I bet Doris Day's were real.

    Ivanka's legs are exquisite, particularly her thighs, I wish she didn't get those damn fake things implanted.

    Torso over tits, I say, but maybe my tastes ain't translatable to other gents. Who knows?

    Trump has good genes -- I give him that.
    , @Anon
    Even the magic of Photoshop couldn't rescue her fugly face. Rest assured that her body never looked like that, and currently looks even more alike to Jared's mother.
    , @AnotherDad

    I thought I was voting for Ivanka.
     
    I was just voting for the silicon.
  121. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:

    some of the border wall that is a preoccupation of Mr. Trump’s

    I love how border security is construed as some weird, Howard-Hughes-esque obsession of one out-of-touch old man… Like the Great Gazoo & Fred Flintstone… Nobody else sees it, nobody who matters

  122. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    Which one hurts him more?

    I don’t know. You tell me.

  123. As to your last question the answer is no.

  124. @IHTG
    High-skilled immigration IS immigration reduction because educated people have less children! The alt-right doesn't know how to take a win.

    We should be deporting the last ten year’s worth of influx.

    Otherwise we’re just swirling the drain a little slower.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    It is not politically possible today to enact an immigration policy that would secure America's white majority. The choice is between a post-white America that might still retain a semblance of nationhood (and in which white birthrates could potentially rebound, allowing them to reclaim majority status further down the road) and an SJW shithole.
  125. @Thomm

    Trump Immigration Plan Emphasizes Immigrants’ Skills Over Family Ties
     
    This is a good, common-sense plan. No more family chain migration.

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.

    About 80% of the American electorate would support Kushner's plan.

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.

    Maybe “better”, but still too dreary.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Note his use of "ours". He meant "yours...you Americans"
  126. @eah
    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1128781282001997827

    Why is it that Americans have to look to broads such as Ann Coulter and Jessica Vaughan for leadership on the immigration invasion attack destroying the USA?

    Trump is a treasonous rat who has crawled into bed with Shelly Adelson and the globalizers and the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction.

    Trump wants mass legal immigration to flood into the USA “in the largest numbers ever.”

    Trump refuses to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    I hereby challenge that fat-assed baby boomer bastard named Trump to a debate on mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and American national identity.

    Trump is a baby boomer backstabber who has betrayed the American people on immigration.

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @eah
    Why is it that Americans have to look to broads such as Ann Coulter and Jessica Vaughan for leadership on the immigration invasion...

    I don't know -- but it is not infrequently the case that women play prominent or even leading roles in populist parties -- eg in Germany (Alice Weidel of the AfD, before her Frauke Petry), France (Marine Le Pen), Denmark (Pia Kjaersgaard) -- perhaps there are others (?).

    Trump is a baby boomer backstabber who has betrayed the American people on immigration.

    Trump has disappointed and alienated a lot of people -- turnout was relatively low in 2016 (only approx 56%, despite the polarization) -- one suspects former or potential Trump voters will be the more likely to stay home in 2020.

    Tweet from 2015:

    Congrats.
  127. @Buzz Mohawk
    I'm not happy that I voted for Jared.

    I thought I was voting for Ivanka.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Svjo8fgFbm4/TnPS3aNZ6oI/AAAAAAAALcU/OX2sj5EJXps/s1600/Ivanka-Trump-Hot-18-763x1024.jpg

    They ain’t real!

    I bet Doris Day’s were real.

    Ivanka’s legs are exquisite, particularly her thighs, I wish she didn’t get those damn fake things implanted.

    Torso over tits, I say, but maybe my tastes ain’t translatable to other gents. Who knows?

    Trump has good genes — I give him that.

  128. I wrote this in January of 2019 about Trump’s immigration betrayal:

    President Trump is a BACKSTABBING shyster politician who pushes mass legal immigration.

    The H-1B visa scam is used by money-grubbing rats to undercut the wages and benefits of native-born American workers.

    The H-1B visa scam is used by money-grubbing cheap labor hogs to displace and replace native-born American workers.

    President Trump has abandoned native-born American workers by putting the interests of foreigners ahead of the interests of American citizens.

    President Trump wants to massively increase the guest worker visa scam and the foreigner visa worker scam and every other cheap labor politician trick that undercuts and attacks native-born American workers.

    President Trump has stabbed his voter base in the back by crawling into bed with foreigners and plutocrat shysters such as Shelly Adelson and Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos.

    The Pewitt Immigration Plan Is Patriotic And It Puts The Interests of American Citizens Ahead Of The Interests Of Foreigners:

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    PHUCK YOU TRUMPY! AND PHUCK YOUR H-1B VISA SCAM TOO!

  129. @Anonymous
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/upshot/illegal-immigration-crime-rates-research.html

    Areas with more unauthorized migration appeared to have larger drops in crime, although the difference was small and uncertain.

    For undocumented immigrants, being arrested for any reason would mean facing eventual deportation — and for some a return to whatever danger or deprivation they’d sought to escape at home.

    According to Mr. Adelman and his team, however, the impact of undocumented immigrants is probably similar to what the research indicates about immigrants over all: They tend to bring economic and cultural benefits to their communities.
     
    To end crime, we need more (illegal) immigrants!

    I actually do agree with this although overall I am for reducing immigration in general…

    My grandkids went to a predominantly hispanic school and the level of violence was much less then if it had been predominantly black…this I know because one of my children went to a majority black school and it was endless fighting. She actually had to leave a year early to transfer to another school due to safety concerns…

    Nevertheless I still think we need to take a breath in the overall level of immigration from anywhere…

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    My grandkids went to a predominantly hispanic school and the level of violence was much less then if it had been predominantly black…
     
    Would the level of violence and disorder had been lesser still if the school had been predominately White?
  130. @istevefan

    That’s simple-minded.
     
    It is simple minded to debate further without acknowledging the USA is in the midst of a current wave that has seen 60 million come since 1965, which even if stopped today, would go down in history as the greatest transnational, mass immigration wave in history. Yet, far from being stopped, it continues unabated.

    If you are telling me that the USA needs to sustain this influx to continue as a going concern, then our issue is not immigration. Our issue is a broken nation and society that either need to be fixed, or needs to be dissolved into nations and societies that are capable of sustaining themselves.


    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?
     
    Yes and no. The landmass of the USA could surely be packed with as many people as live in China. Our landmass is comparable. The question is do you want to live in such a populous nation, and if so why? The onus should be on those wanting such an enormous population, not on us.

    You really need to look at the list of the most populous nations on earth and ask yourself is that something we really want. Right now we are comfortably in 3rd place with 330 million. If we had our number from WW2 (140 million) we'd still be in the top 10.

    Check out the concept of scale sometimes as it is referenced to population, and you will understand why the most desirable places tend to be those not competing to be number one in population.


    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?
     
    Crucially will the USA and the rest of the European world remain European? The fact that this type of question could even be suggested should give pause for more immigration. The fact that this is set to become reality, especially in the USA, should be the clarion call to end immigration and begin some sort of repatriation.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh
     
    That's a problem. High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.

    Just think about this. There are 7.5 billion and counting in the world. For sake of math, let's say 6 billion of these live in low-developed areas of the world. Now we know the USA has taken in 60 million in 50 years. Let's say the USA will agree to take in another 60 million in 30 years. And Europe will also take in 60 million over 30 years. Forget for the moment the effects on USA/Europe in trying to break our current immigration record. Let's just suppose we did it.

    OK, 120 million would represent only 2 percent of that 6 billion. The result in 30 years is that 98 percent of those folks in the developing world would still be there. Of course if you factor in their birth rate, they would more than replace those 120 million. Which means essentially all of them and then some would be still there.

    So skimming their top talent condemns those entire populations to perpetual poverty and chaos. How can anyone support that? That is akin to stealing the natural resources of some nation. If that is condemned, why is not the other?

    istevefan wrote to me:

    High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.

    Yeah. On the one hand, I cannot blame these two people for leaving Bangladesh and Ghana and coming to the States, and they will actually be a positive force in the USA. On the other hand, their homelands need them.

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)

    By the way, when I said above, “It’s the culture, stupid,” I did not mean that you were “stupid”! I was just alluding to the famous phrase “It’s the economy, stupid.”

    Apologies to anyone who misunderstood: after I posted, I realized it could be taken differently than I intended.

    There are real moral dilemmas involved here. I do not think there is any perfect solution to the immigration issue, though it is clear that current policies are not good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    There are real moral dilemmas involved here. I do not think there is any perfect solution to the immigration issue, though it is clear that current policies are not good.
     
    The perfect solution is zero immigration. It is actually simple and clear.
    , @Anonymous
    I was not born as a laboratory rat.
    I do not think about laboratory rats and their terrible lives - I am not them and they are not me. Besides, their lives just do not bear thinking about.

    Likewise with Ghanaians and Bangladeshis.
    , @istevefan

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)
     
    How would you advise a father who left his children? Though they are not the literal parents of those back home, they most certainly are related to a good number who might even be close relatives. The point is, if they have been endowed with natural talents, they owe it to their countrymen to help.

    What I find interesting is how most people would sympathize with the two foreigners you know and support their decision to leave behind their countrymen. But think about how Whites who left Detroit and other similar places have been demonized for "White Flight". They are blamed today for the poor circumstances of those places because critics say when they fled, they took away most of the capital and left those behind with little opportunity.

    How are the two foreigners you know different from this? We readily recognize White flight is detrimental to the economic prospects of an area, but somehow we don't recognize the same when talented third worlders flee.
  131. @Anon000
    Up until recently my job involved federal government new hires. I think the average American would be shocked by just how many of the new hires are of East Indian and Chinese extraction (naturalized citizens and second generation). In D.C., New York, Boston, Chicago, et al. They have all learned that federal employment is where the money and status is. From DOJ to EPA to DOE, the ranks are filling with East and South Asians (and of course large numbers from the third world). And we’re not talking cognitive elites. A lot will be second-tier state schools (GMU, UMD, JMU) in business/info systems/policy grads with an online master’s.

    Anon000 wrote:

    Up until recently my job involved federal government new hires. I think the average American would be shocked by just how many of the new hires are of East Indian and Chinese extraction (naturalized citizens and second generation).

    I’m currently trying to deal with a bunch of bureaucrats on a complex issue. I wish they were all South or East Asians: the Asians tend to be relatively intelligent and reasonably sane.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    Let's deport you to Asia and solve your problem.
    , @nebulafox
    You can always emigrate to Singapore if you know Haskell-plenty of competent Asian bureaucrats here-but I dunno how well the neo-Plato's Republic would wear on your nerves in the long run. ;)
  132. @Thomm's Purple haired femiNAZI
    Just means we will be seeing more ethnically nepotistic (and contemptuous towards everyone else and even their own of a different caste/faith) Hindoos and Chinamen instead of the mestizos and Salvadoreans. Which is actually a lot more devastating since they corrupt from the top instead of from the bottom.

    These people will fundamentally and irreversibly change the character of the country a lot more permanently with their rising numbers. An alien elite with wads of cash [ and "ambitious" to boot] and no connection to the blood and soil of the nation is a lot more devastating in the long run. These people, are sneaky, easily corruptible, highly materialistic [with a fake veneer of pagan spirituality] . The hindoo on top of that is verbally facile and both are extremely money minded.

    Haven't we had such a (((skilled))) group earlier [a mere 150 years ago]?. How did that turn out? It ultimately caused us to become near slaves to our "bestest" ally in the middle east. These people are very much like them. I know since I work with them for a living. It's like swimming in a sea of sharks and gators if you aren't one of them. And between the two, they are 2 billion of them.

    Their loyalty and their fealty, their trust will always ALWAYS be for their home countries mostly. Like this bollywood bigwig. That SOB has a canadian passport, but lives and works in India, does charity in India, pays taxes there and is proud to call himself an Indian nationalist. 'twas embarrassing for him to admit his Canadian citizenship when questioned as he portrays himself to be quite the "nationalist" there. [By the way, this is GOOD isteve material there Sailer; this "Canadian" guy is quite the "nationalist" back home. Has faced calls to get back his Indian nationality [and revoke his Canadian one] but says he wants to retire in Canada !!]

    And there are many like him amongst the Indian diaspora in the west. They, like their "skilled" Chinese brethren are here for the money and the tranquility and the order when compared to their chaotic homelands.

    If I had to choose between the Mestizos [the gardners, the carpenters and the likes] and these folks, I'd reluctantly choose the former. Having worked with a whole lot of the latter, I would what they REALLY are like [mostly].

    Agree. Asian culture values order and obedience. Even 2nd generation immigrants, especially when praised for their superiority over the natives, have unexamined cultural values that are antithetical to aspirations for self governance. They are far more likely to bring social credit systems of control and oppressive government than the political aspirations of Mexican landscapers.

    We need a complete moratorium on immigration, not just the low-skilled but the high-skilled, too. They are the bigger threat to what remains of our freedom and they are already making a mark in the courts.

  133. And this is called “winning”? By giving the country away? America needs at least a 20 year moratorium on immigration, not more immigration of any kind. This plan will ensure the country is swamped with Indian scam artists, all with fake resumes claiming to be “best and brightest”. I supposed we should be thankful it has no chance in hell of passing.

    Trump could easily put an end to the border crisis by appointing Kris Kobach as head of DHS replacing Kirstjen Nielsen. Koback laid out a brilliant 3 point plan that would require all migrants to seek asylum in the first safe country which is Mexico. Why isn’t he appointing Kris Kobach who has openly indicated he wants the job? Because he’s another globalist treasonous rat like his SIL and this plan proves it.

    I want Jared Kushner out of the WH, along with Ziocon Mike Pence, Pompeo and Bolton. Trump is just another neocon RINO puppet now. America First lasted for about 5 minutes after his inauguration speech. He is the greatest con man of them all who sold us MAGA when he really meant MIGA, Make Israel/India Great Again, either would be true, pick your poison. There will be no Trump vote for me in 2020. Fool me once…

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    There will be no Trump vote for me in 2020. Fool me once…
     
    He doesn't have the political support to do the things you want done.
    , @Robert Dolan
    100% correct.

    Trump is a liar and a loser, a total fake.

    He told us what we wanted to hear and then he did the bidding of his globalist masters.

    I've grown to hate the man.

    Kris Kobach was the go to, the man Trump should have hired.

    Instead we got President Kushner.

    There is a special place in hell reserved for Donald Trump, the man who could have saved
    America but chose not to.
  134. Canada already has a ‘skills-based’ immigration system, and it didn’t stop one Somali man from overseeing the chain migration of a hundred of his clan to Winnipeg.

    Its smoke and mirrors and the end result is always the same.

  135. @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like the computer-tech captains of industry got their way over the Big-Ag and Big-Development ones. This won't be good for computer types, engineers, and maybe even lawyers (if we're lucky). I guessit will let certain industries just pick and choose their workers - not helpful for the actual-American middle-class, or what's left of it.

    Does anyone have an org-chart of that clown show they call the West Wing? Can Steven Miller fire Jared Kushner? If so, I'd really like to see that.

    “Everything Jared touches turns to gold.” That’s what Trump told us after Kushner’s idiotic prison reform plan that let out all the drug dealers. Now this daddy-bought-me-an-admission-to-Harvard buffoon is on to wrecking immigration, Trump’s signature campaign promise. What will he turn to shite next? Trump’s 2020 chances?

    Just as well. A guy this blind and dumb does not deserve to be president, again.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  136. @Thulean Friend
    It's a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020 and even if he doesn't, there's no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.
    More fundamentally, voters are reasonable to ask: why wasn't this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?


    Trump has been one of the biggest hoaxes of all of presidential history.

    We should be thankful this was not passed in 2016-2018. This is yet another of Jared’s shit-for-brain plan like his prison reform plan that let out all the drug dealers. This idiotic plan should be renamed the India First immigration plan, to make sure we take in another 10 or 100 million Indian scam artists in 10 years, so we can have more unemployed/underemployed college grads.

  137. @Louis Renault
    So our college graduates get to complete with foreign students already here and foreign college graduates too? That's gonna help Americans get ahead how? Thanks Jared, we sure wouldn't want to do what your backup country does on immigration. If Trump wants to lose he should fight the war Bolton wants and invite in the immigrants Jared wants. If he wants to be reelected he should bring back Bannon.

    Bannon is an idiot. All he cares about these days is fighting China. He’s completely obsessed with China. The last thing we need is more of that Bannon idiot.

    Trump just needs to fire Kushner, and put Stephen Miller back in charge on immigration. Everything Jared touches turns to shite.

  138. @trelane
    Highly skilled, educated minorities from Asia will now replace Americans instead of the unskilled types from Mexico and Central America. Great progress here and bravo to Jared Kushner.

    As Barbara Learner Spectre has stated, Europeans cannot survive without immigration and Jews will be resented for their leading role in this project of European replacement or ethnocide of the European peoples.

    Yep. Another Jew trying to replace whites in another white majority country. Fifth columnists much?

  139. @Hail

    the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.
     

    the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States
     
    Three words:

    Trump must lose.

    _______________

    Bumper-sticker version:

    Dump the Chump
    Tucker Carlson 2020

    _______________

    Expanded, eight-word version (more optimistic):

    Trump must lose, that we might yet win.

    Make that:

    (((Trump))) Must Lose

  140. @Thirdtwin
    "At the same time, the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States..."

    So the Deal Artist is not starting from a position of Drastic Cuts, or even a position of Slight Cuts? That's no good.

    So the Deal Artist is not starting from a position of Drastic Cuts, or even a position of Slight Cuts? That’s no good.

    That’s the Art of the Deal you see, you start by giving them everything, then give them more, until they say “no more…”. That’s how you win! I don’t know about you but I’m tired of winning.

  141. @Buzz Mohawk
    I'm not happy that I voted for Jared.

    I thought I was voting for Ivanka.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Svjo8fgFbm4/TnPS3aNZ6oI/AAAAAAAALcU/OX2sj5EJXps/s1600/Ivanka-Trump-Hot-18-763x1024.jpg

    Even the magic of Photoshop couldn’t rescue her fugly face. Rest assured that her body never looked like that, and currently looks even more alike to Jared’s mother.

    • Troll: IHTG
  142. @Thomm's Purple haired femiNAZI
    Just means we will be seeing more ethnically nepotistic (and contemptuous towards everyone else and even their own of a different caste/faith) Hindoos and Chinamen instead of the mestizos and Salvadoreans. Which is actually a lot more devastating since they corrupt from the top instead of from the bottom.

    These people will fundamentally and irreversibly change the character of the country a lot more permanently with their rising numbers. An alien elite with wads of cash [ and "ambitious" to boot] and no connection to the blood and soil of the nation is a lot more devastating in the long run. These people, are sneaky, easily corruptible, highly materialistic [with a fake veneer of pagan spirituality] . The hindoo on top of that is verbally facile and both are extremely money minded.

    Haven't we had such a (((skilled))) group earlier [a mere 150 years ago]?. How did that turn out? It ultimately caused us to become near slaves to our "bestest" ally in the middle east. These people are very much like them. I know since I work with them for a living. It's like swimming in a sea of sharks and gators if you aren't one of them. And between the two, they are 2 billion of them.

    Their loyalty and their fealty, their trust will always ALWAYS be for their home countries mostly. Like this bollywood bigwig. That SOB has a canadian passport, but lives and works in India, does charity in India, pays taxes there and is proud to call himself an Indian nationalist. 'twas embarrassing for him to admit his Canadian citizenship when questioned as he portrays himself to be quite the "nationalist" there. [By the way, this is GOOD isteve material there Sailer; this "Canadian" guy is quite the "nationalist" back home. Has faced calls to get back his Indian nationality [and revoke his Canadian one] but says he wants to retire in Canada !!]

    And there are many like him amongst the Indian diaspora in the west. They, like their "skilled" Chinese brethren are here for the money and the tranquility and the order when compared to their chaotic homelands.

    If I had to choose between the Mestizos [the gardners, the carpenters and the likes] and these folks, I'd reluctantly choose the former. Having worked with a whole lot of the latter, I would what they REALLY are like [mostly].

    Spot on. Chindians will do far more damage to the US in the long run with their higher IQ, higher greed, higher level of corruptibility. Just look at India and China, dog-eat-dog, filthy, high crime, corrupt to the core. Why would we want to import more of these people to the US?

    We should be thankful this plan has no chance of passing. Trump needs to fire Kushner before he does any more damage to his 2020 chances. His prison reform plan that let out all the drug dealers was bad enough. This shit-for-brain immigration plan is even worse.

  143. @PhysicistDave
    Anon000 wrote:

    Up until recently my job involved federal government new hires. I think the average American would be shocked by just how many of the new hires are of East Indian and Chinese extraction (naturalized citizens and second generation).
     
    I'm currently trying to deal with a bunch of bureaucrats on a complex issue. I wish they were all South or East Asians: the Asians tend to be relatively intelligent and reasonably sane.

    Let’s deport you to Asia and solve your problem.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  144. People forget how unpopular Trump and White peoples are among our rulers.

    Thus is maybe the best Trump can get. It’s why politics is a failure.

    Rulers need to feel fear. Real fear, and have frequent and chilling examples of deplorables hitting back in their faces as Obama once opined.

    We are essentially Malays in Maylasia. Time for our own Bumiputra.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    We are essentially Malays in Maylasia. Time for our own Bumiputra.
     
    We are Palestinians in Palestine ("Israel").
  145. This immigration plan’s message is clear:

    America is no longer a country. We are now a for-profit corporation.

    As Milton Friedman tells us, profit is king!

  146. @Hail

    the new plan would provide opportunities for immigrants who have specific skills or job offers to work in the United States, provided they can demonstrate English proficiency and educational attainment, and pass a civics exam.
     

    the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States
     
    Three words:

    Trump must lose.

    _______________

    Bumper-sticker version:

    Dump the Chump
    Tucker Carlson 2020

    _______________

    Expanded, eight-word version (more optimistic):

    Trump must lose, that we might yet win.

    Beating Trump in the primary, okay. Voting for a democrat in the general election because of dissatisfaction with Trump, absurd.

    Is anyone running in the republican primary who’s talking tough on immigration and the national question and has some track record to go with it? Who would we actually vote for in the republican primaries early next year?

    • Replies: @Tired of NOT Winning
    Kris Kobach should run against President Kushner. Kobach will win hands down.
  147. @Thomm

    Trump Immigration Plan Emphasizes Immigrants’ Skills Over Family Ties
     
    This is a good, common-sense plan. No more family chain migration.

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.

    About 80% of the American electorate would support Kushner's plan.

    About 80% of American electorate with any brain would tell Kushner to take his plan shove it up his ass.

  148. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @NYMOM
    I actually do agree with this although overall I am for reducing immigration in general...

    My grandkids went to a predominantly hispanic school and the level of violence was much less then if it had been predominantly black...this I know because one of my children went to a majority black school and it was endless fighting. She actually had to leave a year early to transfer to another school due to safety concerns...

    Nevertheless I still think we need to take a breath in the overall level of immigration from anywhere...

    My grandkids went to a predominantly hispanic school and the level of violence was much less then if it had been predominantly black…

    Would the level of violence and disorder had been lesser still if the school had been predominately White?

  149. @Wilkey

    The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said.
     
    Oh, is that what our family reunification law does?

    Actually it doesn't just reunite nuclear families. It allows adults to sponsor their adult siblings, as well, which makes absolutely zero sense, and is what gives rise to chain migration. What it also does is allow people to sponsor spouses from foreign countries, which benefits people from backwards cultures that support arranged marriages far more than it benefits other Americans.

    To me it seems like you could get a lot of mileage by presenting family reunification as a discriminatory policy. Why should recent immigrants have far more say over who gets to immigrate here than other Americans have? A guy who came here yesterday can eventually sponsor dozens of family members from his home country. People like me, whose ancestry goes back entirely to before the Civil War and almost entirely to before the Revolution, cannot sponsor anyone at all.

    Abdi Mohammed bin Mohammed can bring his whole damn clan...er, family...over from Somalia. I, however, cannot sponsor a single solitary soul from my ancestral home of Great Britain, despite the fact that my ancestors did far more to build this country than Abdi's did. And I better not even dare try to bring "disparate impact" or "one man, one vote" into the matter or watch Twatter just explode.

    Reverse that policy and give people like me more say over who immigrates next than people who arrived more recently and you'd have wild allegations of bigotry and a landmark Supreme Court case. And we know exactly how Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan would rule.

    In fact we did once have a law kind of like that. It was the National Origins Act , which made sure that immigrants were basically representative of the people already here. But that law was Evil, Vile & Racist. For some reason Family Reunification is not, though it effectively does the same thing but in reverse.

    We need to end all family migration period, incl. spousal and children’s visas. Assuming the primary visa holder actually earned his position, which is a big if, mostly they just lie about their qualification or are willing to work cheaper, what did the rest of his family do to earn the right to immigrate here? Nothing. Everyone needs to earn his/her own way here. If his family is that important to him, he should move back to his home country. If he wants to stay, marry an American and assimilate.

    • Replies: @Wilkey

    We need to end all family migration period, incl. spousal and children’s visas.
     
    A bit over the top and no public support for it. Of course families - meaning husband, wife, and minor children - should be allowed to come intact. I'm even sympathetic to allowing in their elderly parents, if it weren't for the fact that those elderly parents all too often end up being supported by public welfare programs they never worked to support.

    To me the most appalling aspect of chain migration is exactly what I said. Why were national origins quotas racist, yet it's acceptable to hand over so much control over who gets to come here to recent immigrants? If most of the beneficiaries of chain migration were white instead of brown the Left would be calling chain migration the most racist thing imaginable.
  150. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote to me:

    High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.
     
    Yeah. On the one hand, I cannot blame these two people for leaving Bangladesh and Ghana and coming to the States, and they will actually be a positive force in the USA. On the other hand, their homelands need them.

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)

    By the way, when I said above, "It's the culture, stupid," I did not mean that you were "stupid"! I was just alluding to the famous phrase "It's the economy, stupid."

    Apologies to anyone who misunderstood: after I posted, I realized it could be taken differently than I intended.

    There are real moral dilemmas involved here. I do not think there is any perfect solution to the immigration issue, though it is clear that current policies are not good.

    There are real moral dilemmas involved here. I do not think there is any perfect solution to the immigration issue, though it is clear that current policies are not good.

    The perfect solution is zero immigration. It is actually simple and clear.

  151. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tired of NOT Winning
    And this is called "winning"? By giving the country away? America needs at least a 20 year moratorium on immigration, not more immigration of any kind. This plan will ensure the country is swamped with Indian scam artists, all with fake resumes claiming to be "best and brightest". I supposed we should be thankful it has no chance in hell of passing.

    Trump could easily put an end to the border crisis by appointing Kris Kobach as head of DHS replacing Kirstjen Nielsen. Koback laid out a brilliant 3 point plan that would require all migrants to seek asylum in the first safe country which is Mexico. Why isn't he appointing Kris Kobach who has openly indicated he wants the job? Because he's another globalist treasonous rat like his SIL and this plan proves it.

    I want Jared Kushner out of the WH, along with Ziocon Mike Pence, Pompeo and Bolton. Trump is just another neocon RINO puppet now. America First lasted for about 5 minutes after his inauguration speech. He is the greatest con man of them all who sold us MAGA when he really meant MIGA, Make Israel/India Great Again, either would be true, pick your poison. There will be no Trump vote for me in 2020. Fool me once...

    There will be no Trump vote for me in 2020. Fool me once…

    He doesn’t have the political support to do the things you want done.

    • Replies: @Bill
    The GOP could not pass its tax cut without Trump's signature. He didn't have to sign. He could have used that to bargain for immigration reform and the wall. He chose not to.
  152. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    People forget how unpopular Trump and White peoples are among our rulers.

    Thus is maybe the best Trump can get. It's why politics is a failure.

    Rulers need to feel fear. Real fear, and have frequent and chilling examples of deplorables hitting back in their faces as Obama once opined.

    We are essentially Malays in Maylasia. Time for our own Bumiputra.

    We are essentially Malays in Maylasia. Time for our own Bumiputra.

    We are Palestinians in Palestine (“Israel”).

  153. @J.Ross
    That outgoing French ambassador said Kushner was smarter than anyone gave him credit for. Looking forward to his Israel plan.

    That outgoing French ambassador said Kushner was smarter than anyone gave him credit for. Looking forward to his Israel plan.

    The French can have him. In fact, we insist.

  154. @Wilkey

    The proposal, senior administration officials said on Wednesday, would vastly scale back the system of family-based immigration that for decades has allowed immigrants to bring their spouses and children to live with them, the officials said.
     
    Oh, is that what our family reunification law does?

    Actually it doesn't just reunite nuclear families. It allows adults to sponsor their adult siblings, as well, which makes absolutely zero sense, and is what gives rise to chain migration. What it also does is allow people to sponsor spouses from foreign countries, which benefits people from backwards cultures that support arranged marriages far more than it benefits other Americans.

    To me it seems like you could get a lot of mileage by presenting family reunification as a discriminatory policy. Why should recent immigrants have far more say over who gets to immigrate here than other Americans have? A guy who came here yesterday can eventually sponsor dozens of family members from his home country. People like me, whose ancestry goes back entirely to before the Civil War and almost entirely to before the Revolution, cannot sponsor anyone at all.

    Abdi Mohammed bin Mohammed can bring his whole damn clan...er, family...over from Somalia. I, however, cannot sponsor a single solitary soul from my ancestral home of Great Britain, despite the fact that my ancestors did far more to build this country than Abdi's did. And I better not even dare try to bring "disparate impact" or "one man, one vote" into the matter or watch Twatter just explode.

    Reverse that policy and give people like me more say over who immigrates next than people who arrived more recently and you'd have wild allegations of bigotry and a landmark Supreme Court case. And we know exactly how Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan would rule.

    In fact we did once have a law kind of like that. It was the National Origins Act , which made sure that immigrants were basically representative of the people already here. But that law was Evil, Vile & Racist. For some reason Family Reunification is not, though it effectively does the same thing but in reverse.

    To put a rational veneer on the matter, imagine a policy that made each immigrant have a citizen sponsor. The sponsor would be required to finance any welfare and criminal liabilities of the immigrant, including any costs of apprehension, incarceration, or deportation. The sponsors would be means tested, meaning they had to have sufficient resources to cover any possible damages, or else sufficient insurance for the same.

  155. @Neoconned
    https://www.npr.org/2019/05/15/723518379/u-s-births-fell-to-a-32-year-low-in-2018-cdc-says-birthrate-is-at-record-level

    Steve, U.S. birth rate at 32 yr low despite "growing economy"

    The timing of that “lowest birthrate since 1982” report is certainly very suspicious. And of course you can always count on a Jew (James Freeman of WSJ) to immediately grab the bullhorn and shill for more immigration, cheering for this globalist-approved immigration plan from another one of his co-ethnics.

  156. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote to me:

    High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.
     
    Yeah. On the one hand, I cannot blame these two people for leaving Bangladesh and Ghana and coming to the States, and they will actually be a positive force in the USA. On the other hand, their homelands need them.

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)

    By the way, when I said above, "It's the culture, stupid," I did not mean that you were "stupid"! I was just alluding to the famous phrase "It's the economy, stupid."

    Apologies to anyone who misunderstood: after I posted, I realized it could be taken differently than I intended.

    There are real moral dilemmas involved here. I do not think there is any perfect solution to the immigration issue, though it is clear that current policies are not good.

    I was not born as a laboratory rat.
    I do not think about laboratory rats and their terrible lives – I am not them and they are not me. Besides, their lives just do not bear thinking about.

    Likewise with Ghanaians and Bangladeshis.

  157. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    At the same time, the plan would not reduce the overall level of immigration into the United States, a longstanding goal of conservative, anti-immigration groups that had hoped Mr. Trump’s election would finally provide the political backing for lowering the number of legal immigrants allowed in the country.
     
    WTF? No reduction in overall level of immigration?

    There will be no resolution without needless suffering. But the suffering is certain. The extent is the parameter on the negotiation table.

    Trump is an idiot for having J. Kushner 'on his committee'

    Actually, it is a horrible idea for anyone in a leadership position to have a close family member in a policy-making position, or any other position of power or influence.

    A leader needs to make decisions objectively. A close family member brings in lots of dynamics that are simply dysfunctional when decisions are made. Jared, Ivanka, Don, Eric, Laura…all should be in New York pursuing their own interests. Their presence in the Trump administration is not a benefit to the country. As for Donald Trump: if the supposed alpha male can’t function without his family surrounding him in his work environment, he’s a well-disguised codependent.

  158. IHTG says:
    @bomag
    We should be deporting the last ten year's worth of influx.

    Otherwise we're just swirling the drain a little slower.

    It is not politically possible today to enact an immigration policy that would secure America’s white majority. The choice is between a post-white America that might still retain a semblance of nationhood (and in which white birthrates could potentially rebound, allowing them to reclaim majority status further down the road) and an SJW shithole.

  159. President Kushner’s New Immigration Plan, brought to you by Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Google, Apple, rest of Silicon Valley, Starbucks, Koch Brothers, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, rest of Wall Street, AIPAC, NASSCOM…

    • Agree: jbwilson24
  160. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Trump Immigration Plan Emphasizes Immigrants’ Skills Over Family Ties
     
    This is a good, common-sense plan. No more family chain migration.

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.

    About 80% of the American electorate would support Kushner's plan.

    If the old-stock Canadians and Australians have a crystal-ball and can peer into the future, they will, surely, see the massive Subcon immigration which their Deep States are promoting as a catastrophe.

    Doubtless, in the future Subcons will dominate both nations economically and politically. All I can say is that apart from the corruption endemic to Subcons, these nations will be no places for white men.

  161. @RadicalCenter
    Beating Trump in the primary, okay. Voting for a democrat in the general election because of dissatisfaction with Trump, absurd.

    Is anyone running in the republican primary who’s talking tough on immigration and the national question and has some track record to go with it? Who would we actually vote for in the republican primaries early next year?

    Kris Kobach should run against President Kushner. Kobach will win hands down.

    • Replies: @Matra
    He lost in his home state of Kansas.
    , @Desiderius
    Kobach got blown out in Kansas.

    I wonder how many of these drive-bys are legit.
  162. eah says:
    @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    You are making way too much sense for this crowd.

    But:

    Which one hurts him more?

    Does that mean both are bad? — but other than that it’s a great plan and makes a lot of “sense”, right? — except to dumbasses like us who don’t want to be forced to choose between two undesirable alternatives.

    “LOL” — what an idiot.

  163. @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote to me:

    High-quality human talent from Ghana and Bangladesh are not helping Ghana and Bangladesh by living and working in the USA, or the European world. We are taking their best talent and leaving the multitudes to live in squalor with little hope of advancing without their top human resources.
     
    Yeah. On the one hand, I cannot blame these two people for leaving Bangladesh and Ghana and coming to the States, and they will actually be a positive force in the USA. On the other hand, their homelands need them.

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)

    By the way, when I said above, "It's the culture, stupid," I did not mean that you were "stupid"! I was just alluding to the famous phrase "It's the economy, stupid."

    Apologies to anyone who misunderstood: after I posted, I realized it could be taken differently than I intended.

    There are real moral dilemmas involved here. I do not think there is any perfect solution to the immigration issue, though it is clear that current policies are not good.

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)

    How would you advise a father who left his children? Though they are not the literal parents of those back home, they most certainly are related to a good number who might even be close relatives. The point is, if they have been endowed with natural talents, they owe it to their countrymen to help.

    What I find interesting is how most people would sympathize with the two foreigners you know and support their decision to leave behind their countrymen. But think about how Whites who left Detroit and other similar places have been demonized for “White Flight”. They are blamed today for the poor circumstances of those places because critics say when they fled, they took away most of the capital and left those behind with little opportunity.

    How are the two foreigners you know different from this? We readily recognize White flight is detrimental to the economic prospects of an area, but somehow we don’t recognize the same when talented third worlders flee.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The more-or-less leader of Afghanistan shocked a BBC interviewer a while back when he said he had no pity for "refugees" who got screwed by coyotes, drowned in the Med, and so on. "We need you here," he said.
    , @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote to me:

    What I find interesting is how most people would sympathize with the two foreigners you know and support their decision to leave behind their countrymen. But think about how Whites who left Detroit and other similar places have been demonized for “White Flight”. They are blamed today for the poor circumstances of those places because critics say when they fled, they took away most of the capital and left those behind with little opportunity.
     
    Yes, the analogy is apt, but I have never condemned those who engaged in white flight: my own parents and most of their relatives and friends were among those who did.

    And, neither can I condemn the Ghanian or Bangladeshi who are friends of my daughter.

    I suppose that if the Right had any sense of political strategy, they would push your argument on the Left -- hard to see how the Left could respond.
  164. @anon
    I mean, think about it; who is this going to please? It disappoints his restrictionist fans, angers Democrats because, well, it’s from Trump, and the people in the middle are more worried about healthcare and the economy.

    What would you have had the president do instead?

    Resign?

  165. eah says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Why is it that Americans have to look to broads such as Ann Coulter and Jessica Vaughan for leadership on the immigration invasion attack destroying the USA?

    Trump is a treasonous rat who has crawled into bed with Shelly Adelson and the globalizers and the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction.

    Trump wants mass legal immigration to flood into the USA "in the largest numbers ever."

    Trump refuses to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    I hereby challenge that fat-assed baby boomer bastard named Trump to a debate on mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and American national identity.

    Trump is a baby boomer backstabber who has betrayed the American people on immigration.

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/634091404654956544

    Why is it that Americans have to look to broads such as Ann Coulter and Jessica Vaughan for leadership on the immigration invasion…

    I don’t know — but it is not infrequently the case that women play prominent or even leading roles in populist parties — eg in Germany (Alice Weidel of the AfD, before her Frauke Petry), France (Marine Le Pen), Denmark (Pia Kjaersgaard) — perhaps there are others (?).

    Trump is a baby boomer backstabber who has betrayed the American people on immigration.

    Trump has disappointed and alienated a lot of people — turnout was relatively low in 2016 (only approx 56%, despite the polarization) — one suspects former or potential Trump voters will be the more likely to stay home in 2020.

    Tweet from 2015:

    Congrats.

  166. @Buzz Mohawk
    I'm not happy that I voted for Jared.

    I thought I was voting for Ivanka.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Svjo8fgFbm4/TnPS3aNZ6oI/AAAAAAAALcU/OX2sj5EJXps/s1600/Ivanka-Trump-Hot-18-763x1024.jpg

    I thought I was voting for Ivanka.

    I was just voting for the silicon.

  167. @trelane
    Highly skilled, educated minorities from Asia will now replace Americans instead of the unskilled types from Mexico and Central America. Great progress here and bravo to Jared Kushner.

    As Barbara Learner Spectre has stated, Europeans cannot survive without immigration and Jews will be resented for their leading role in this project of European replacement or ethnocide of the European peoples.

    What makes you think the arrival of smart, credentialed Asians is going to do anything to lower the number of illiterate Mayans and Aztecs strolling across the border?

  168. @GU
    Always cracks me up that people think lawyers have it so good. Except for cushy government jobs and maybe 2%-5% of lawyers in private practice, most lawyers dislike practicing law and get paid far less than you might expect. And the problem is not a restricted supply of lawyers, as many spergy economists assert (unlike Medical Schools, law schools encouraged as many people as possible to enroll).

    But staying on topic, unless you graduate from an USA law school, only New York will let you take the bar exam as far as I know. Maybe things have changed, but I remember it not being easy for foreigners to practice in the U.S. So I don’t think this plan will affect the legal industry. It’s a state law matter , not federal law.

    But anyway, would you really hire Pajeet or Wi Shun Lu or Mmbopo Mwezopo to defend your lawsuit?

    I have no argument regarding the market for lawyers, GU. I just hope I don’t have to talk to any lawyers for the remainder of my life, no matter where they come from.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I just hope I don’t have to talk to any lawyers for the remainder of my life,
     
    That was harsh. I'll make an exception for lawyer Ann Coulter. I wouldn't mind talking to her ... just pillow talk, mind you ... "you roll over on my side an0ther time, and I'll sue you for everything you got!"
  169. @Almost Missouri
    So long as the fraudulent refugee asylum debacle continues bringing millions across the southern border (who are not being deported or even tracked), this is all kabuki.

    We hear that Trump is already talking about his willingness to send 120,000 soldiers to Iran, just for starters, with the number to be greatly expanded once Pompeo and Bolton get their party started. But when the president announced at the end of the year he was sending 5,000 troops to protect the southern border from invasion by the caravans, the congressional and MSM sky fell in. Think of how many weepy cable TV and radio reports you heard about the troops being separated from their loved ones for Thanksgiving and Christmas. The crime cartel in DC and its media allies will do anything to keep the Third World pouring in.

  170. @bomag

    Canada and Australia have plans comparable to what Kushner has put forth here. It has worked out better for them than ours has worked out for us.
     
    Maybe "better", but still too dreary.

    Note his use of “ours”. He meant “yours…you Americans”

  171. @istevefan

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)
     
    How would you advise a father who left his children? Though they are not the literal parents of those back home, they most certainly are related to a good number who might even be close relatives. The point is, if they have been endowed with natural talents, they owe it to their countrymen to help.

    What I find interesting is how most people would sympathize with the two foreigners you know and support their decision to leave behind their countrymen. But think about how Whites who left Detroit and other similar places have been demonized for "White Flight". They are blamed today for the poor circumstances of those places because critics say when they fled, they took away most of the capital and left those behind with little opportunity.

    How are the two foreigners you know different from this? We readily recognize White flight is detrimental to the economic prospects of an area, but somehow we don't recognize the same when talented third worlders flee.

    The more-or-less leader of Afghanistan shocked a BBC interviewer a while back when he said he had no pity for “refugees” who got screwed by coyotes, drowned in the Med, and so on. “We need you here,” he said.

  172. @Tired of NOT Winning
    We need to end all family migration period, incl. spousal and children's visas. Assuming the primary visa holder actually earned his position, which is a big if, mostly they just lie about their qualification or are willing to work cheaper, what did the rest of his family do to earn the right to immigrate here? Nothing. Everyone needs to earn his/her own way here. If his family is that important to him, he should move back to his home country. If he wants to stay, marry an American and assimilate.

    We need to end all family migration period, incl. spousal and children’s visas.

    A bit over the top and no public support for it. Of course families – meaning husband, wife, and minor children – should be allowed to come intact. I’m even sympathetic to allowing in their elderly parents, if it weren’t for the fact that those elderly parents all too often end up being supported by public welfare programs they never worked to support.

    To me the most appalling aspect of chain migration is exactly what I said. Why were national origins quotas racist, yet it’s acceptable to hand over so much control over who gets to come here to recent immigrants? If most of the beneficiaries of chain migration were white instead of brown the Left would be calling chain migration the most racist thing imaginable.

    • Replies: @Tired of of Not Winning
    Too damn bad. If the family is that important then stay home with their family, don't come here.
  173. Bill says:
    @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    That’s the wrong choice. Immigration benefits capital and land at the expense of labor while inflicting congestion on all. Choosing the type of immigration just chooses which stratum of labor gets hurt the most.

    The current wave of immigration is already about as big, in percentage terms, as the great wave spanning the turn of the 20th century. We don’t have a big country to fill up any more. There is no reason to have any net immigration.

  174. @newrouter
    I like it. Offer the dementedcrats a half of loaf. They go insane. Trumpslide 2020. Get the full loaf!

    Get another tax cut for the rich, more likely.

  175. @Tired of NOT Winning
    And this is called "winning"? By giving the country away? America needs at least a 20 year moratorium on immigration, not more immigration of any kind. This plan will ensure the country is swamped with Indian scam artists, all with fake resumes claiming to be "best and brightest". I supposed we should be thankful it has no chance in hell of passing.

    Trump could easily put an end to the border crisis by appointing Kris Kobach as head of DHS replacing Kirstjen Nielsen. Koback laid out a brilliant 3 point plan that would require all migrants to seek asylum in the first safe country which is Mexico. Why isn't he appointing Kris Kobach who has openly indicated he wants the job? Because he's another globalist treasonous rat like his SIL and this plan proves it.

    I want Jared Kushner out of the WH, along with Ziocon Mike Pence, Pompeo and Bolton. Trump is just another neocon RINO puppet now. America First lasted for about 5 minutes after his inauguration speech. He is the greatest con man of them all who sold us MAGA when he really meant MIGA, Make Israel/India Great Again, either would be true, pick your poison. There will be no Trump vote for me in 2020. Fool me once...

    100% correct.

    Trump is a liar and a loser, a total fake.

    He told us what we wanted to hear and then he did the bidding of his globalist masters.

    I’ve grown to hate the man.

    Kris Kobach was the go to, the man Trump should have hired.

    Instead we got President Kushner.

    There is a special place in hell reserved for Donald Trump, the man who could have saved
    America but chose not to.

  176. @Tired of NOT Winning
    Kris Kobach should run against President Kushner. Kobach will win hands down.

    He lost in his home state of Kansas.

  177. If most of the beneficiaries of chain migration were white instead of brown the Left would be calling chain migration the most racist thing imaginable.

    In fact, the family reunification policy was put in the law by those who wanted to prevent a wave of alien immigration.

    The national origins quotas left us with an overwhelmingly white naturalized immigrant population. (The 10% or so nonwhite were mostly viewed as tolerable, as well– largely from Japan, China, the Philippines, and the English-speaking Caribbean.)

    Allowing these settled European immigrants to bring their relatives over took places that might have gone to Third Worlders. So it was a good idea… to begin with.

    But if ever a law should have been “sunsetted”, this is it.

  178. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    He doesn’t have the political support to do the things you want done.

    More like the will. He could’ve easily ended the border crisis by appointing Kris Kobach to head of DHS so he could implement his 3 point plan. He could’ve also easily ended every single one of Obama’s Executive Order on immigration, incl. ending work permits for H1b spouses, the OPT, and he could’ve easily drastically reduce the H1b visas through a simple EO.

    The fact that he hasn’t even attempted to do any of those things shows how dishonest he has been about his immigration intentions all along.

  179. @Anon7
    Trump has run into this wall, which is much better built than the border wall he's working on. He's literally the only person in Washington who wants to change immigration policy to benefit Americans who work, both the low-skilled (threatened by people who sneak in) and the tech workers (threatened by legal H1Bs entering with permission).

    I don't understand Trump's strategy here. Surely he knows that Democrats (the pols and the voters) will continue to hate him intensely no matter what he says or does. Surely he understands that he will never receive the support or respect of the mass media in this country no matter what he says or does.

    You might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb - why doesn't President Trump press for what will please the people who elected him and would vote for him again?

    That is one of my very favorite expressions.

  180. @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    Zero is the wrong number. The right number is negative 22 million. They have to go back.

  181. @PhysicistDave
    istevefan wrote:

    If it doesn’t reduce the total amount of immigration, then it is not ‘steps in the right direction’.
     
    That's simple-minded.

    Two basic questions should be key:

    Crucially, will immigrants fit into and enhance the United States of America and, more broadly, Western civilization?

    Are there just too many people in the USA already and is the place full?

    The second question may become crucial in a few years: twenty million more people in the USA is not a disaster, but three hundred million more is certainly a big problem.

    But the first problem... well, the reason most American are more comfortable with immigrants from Canada or Switzerland than Ghana or Bangladesh is not the color of their skin but the fact that the Swiss or Canadians grasp what the USA is about more than the vast majority off Ghanians or Bangladeshis.

    I know a woman from Ghana and a young man from Bangladesh (he's in Navy ROTC!) whom I have good reason to respect. But, on average, West Europeans are going to fit in better than immigrants from the Third World. And, East Asians will fit in better than sub-Saharna Africans on average.

    And so on.

    And everyone knows this.

    It's really culture and, of course, individual characteristics.

    But everyone is afraid to talk about what everyone knows because they know they will be accused of racism.

    Absurd. It's the culture, stupid.

    @60 Physicist Dave: “Absurd. It’s the culture, stupid.”

    And politics is downstream from culture, which is downstream from GENETICS, stupid. In other words, race matters. Not simply the Negro, but equally the Han or the Hindoo is unassimilable and intended to replace White Americans.

    America – so blessed by arrogant, ignorant deracinated cucks who brag about their sperginess in their online name.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    3g4me wrote to me:

    And politics is downstream from culture, which is downstream from GENETICS, stupid.
     
    Well... Thomas Sowell and I share similar cultural values, more so than I do with the majority of my fellow Caucasians. I think it is fair to say that Sowell and I are of different races.

    So... if you are right, how can this happen?

    And, thanks for the compliment that calling myself a physicist is "bragging," but I need to break to you that most Americans are more impressed with the fact that I once performed onstage with the actor John Goodman (John went to my high school) than with the fact that I earned a PhD in physics. I am afraid that "physicist" does not provide a high status in America! But, for better or worse, it's who I am.
  182. @anon
    I mean, think about it; who is this going to please? It disappoints his restrictionist fans, angers Democrats because, well, it’s from Trump, and the people in the middle are more worried about healthcare and the economy.

    What would you have had the president do instead?

    Submit a plan that cuts immigration levels.

    Of course, he should have done it two years ago. The Dems wouldn’t pass Medicare-for-all if it came from him.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The Ds wouldn’t pass Medicare for all in any case. Their donors wouldn’t let them.
  183. @Tired of NOT Winning
    Kris Kobach should run against President Kushner. Kobach will win hands down.

    Kobach got blown out in Kansas.

    I wonder how many of these drive-bys are legit.

  184. @SFG
    Submit a plan that cuts immigration levels.

    Of course, he should have done it two years ago. The Dems wouldn't pass Medicare-for-all if it came from him.

    The Ds wouldn’t pass Medicare for all in any case. Their donors wouldn’t let them.

  185. @Anonymous

    There will be no Trump vote for me in 2020. Fool me once…
     
    He doesn't have the political support to do the things you want done.

    The GOP could not pass its tax cut without Trump’s signature. He didn’t have to sign. He could have used that to bargain for immigration reform and the wall. He chose not to.

  186. @anon
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia.

    Right. It's displaced Canadians and Australian kids from good university seats and good jobs and is creating a foreign overclass. Great idea.

    Yes, actually in some ways, a “skills-based” immigration system is worse.

    Because then the foreigners with skills will compete with you and your kids. And they will mix better in society.

    See, in the US they bring in illegal Mexicans and h1b Indians who become a kind of servant lower class, so they don’t really compete much with the locals for good jobs and women, although they do drive down wages and cause a lot of other issues.

    In places like Canada, a lot of immigrants land relatively good jobs, and there are many more mixed marriages than in the US.

    Apparently, Canada plans to receive one million new immigrants every year, which is quite a lot for a nation of 38 million.

    • Replies: @SkipJack

    Because then the foreigners with skills will compete with you and your kids. And they will mix better in society
     
    .
    If only that were the case. These people are notorious for being extremely nepotistic in their hiring practices, even against fellow Indians of a different caste/ethnicity/faith. Which is why people dread when a bunch of Indians get promoted to senior positions. The trajectory of the company follows that of Oracle/ Cisco. It's like Bombay from sea to shining sea with a few token whites (often attractive calypgian women). You can forget about body shoppers like Infosys which is a direct pipeline of drones to the US)

    Even other non whites resent them which is great if you want an ally. I would advise all of you fellow patriots to donate and connect other patriots to organizations like saitj.org, ustechworkers.com and dissidents like sara blackwell, jessica vaughan etc. It would let them know that their efforts are appreciated. By the way, most of those talking about the harmful effects of skilled legal immigration are broads while few "men" have the balls to call out the powers that be about this
    , @MBlanc46
    Then Canada is doomed.
  187. As of tonight the Dems are whining that the Trump-Kushner plan doesn’t include a path to citizenship for DACA illegals, but I believe Trump will give it to them if they pout loud enough. So a Trump presidency could deliver up partial amnesty of up to two million illegal aliens, an increase in H1B visas with a path to citizenship and not net decrease to legal immigration. It’s safe to say this is the opposite of what he campaigned on and what we voted for but he’ll tell with a straight face that he “fixed” our broken immigration system.

    That the immigrants will allegedly be of higher education and job skills only matters to Jews and deracinated white who desire to submerge white America in a sea of third world racial groups. It still ensures eventual demographic displacement of the white majority.

  188. Remember, there’s nothing about a “skills-based immigration system” that prohibits anything called “family reunification” – as long as one’s family members have…um….SKILLS! Still, if we’re only going to admit people who have the personal qualifications to be net contributors instead of drains on social services, wouldn’t that necessarily mean far FEWER admissions? Right now the bureaucracy is doling out some 20,000 green cards every WEEK, and tons more visas. Wouldn’t VETTING “skilled” immigrants require a LOT more time?

  189. @Dumbo
    Yes, actually in some ways, a "skills-based" immigration system is worse.

    Because then the foreigners with skills will compete with you and your kids. And they will mix better in society.

    See, in the US they bring in illegal Mexicans and h1b Indians who become a kind of servant lower class, so they don't really compete much with the locals for good jobs and women, although they do drive down wages and cause a lot of other issues.

    In places like Canada, a lot of immigrants land relatively good jobs, and there are many more mixed marriages than in the US.

    Apparently, Canada plans to receive one million new immigrants every year, which is quite a lot for a nation of 38 million.

    Because then the foreigners with skills will compete with you and your kids. And they will mix better in society

    .
    If only that were the case. These people are notorious for being extremely nepotistic in their hiring practices, even against fellow Indians of a different caste/ethnicity/faith. Which is why people dread when a bunch of Indians get promoted to senior positions. The trajectory of the company follows that of Oracle/ Cisco. It’s like Bombay from sea to shining sea with a few token whites (often attractive calypgian women). You can forget about body shoppers like Infosys which is a direct pipeline of drones to the US)

    Even other non whites resent them which is great if you want an ally. I would advise all of you fellow patriots to donate and connect other patriots to organizations like saitj.org, ustechworkers.com and dissidents like sara blackwell, jessica vaughan etc. It would let them know that their efforts are appreciated. By the way, most of those talking about the harmful effects of skilled legal immigration are broads while few “men” have the balls to call out the powers that be about this

  190. @PiltdownMan
    I'm not sure which I prefer. An imported overclass, or an imported underclass?

    The former, I guess, since they are more likely to assimilate after a couple of generations.

    Or limit immigration to the European professional class. That would probably work best, though perhaps not many would want to move, what with free universities and health care over there in many countries.

    > I’m not sure which I prefer. An imported overclass, or an imported underclass?

    Yeah. It’s funny, because perhaps a year ago I would have argued that “an imported overclass” is a nonsense statement, and two years before that, I was for essentially all immigration because I didn’t believe in group differences.

    It’s been a difficult journey for me, because I work with a lot of talented foreigners. They’re generally great, well-meaning, and productive folks. It’s unpleasant to realize that even good people can, in sufficient numbers, cause a fractured and divided society. Human psychology is funny.

    If you want a healthy society, you can’t have different groups of people with different talent levels.
    Importing an overclass will do this as surely as accepting too many third-world asylum seekers.

    Note, interestingly, that the US was probably going to run into this even without immigration, because the combination of assortive mating and dysgenic policies will create distinct classes — rich/smarter and poor/dumber.

    The irony is that gentle eugenic policies probably are the most ethical and humane solutions to all of the above.

    • Replies: @Thomm's Purple haired femiNAZI

    It’s been a difficult journey for me, because I work with a lot of talented foreigners. They’re generally great, well-meaning, and productive folks. It’s unpleasant to realize that even good people can, in sufficient numbers, cause a fractured and divided society
     
    Bingo. Unless there is some genuine ideology to rally everybody around, then it is a cause of failure. The later age roman empire and the ottoman caliphate were the only two instance of real multi-cultural places in the days gone by. And it was Christianity and Islam that was the glue respectively. But even then with time it got eventually fractured with many different ethnicities and races competing for the same pie

    I want you to do an experiment. First let's see where their respective home countries stand vis-a-vis multicultarism and all that mumbo jumbo. Let's take India first [a putative democracy much like ours]

    Currently there is a hard right government in India which is unabashedly majoritarian in it's worldview and doesn't shy away from stressing that during it's current re-election bid (India is going for the polls now). Many of the ministers openly call Christians as "rice bag converts" and Muslims as "termites/virus that need to be squashed/eradicated" and nothing happens. Their current immigration policy openly prefers Hindus/Buddhists/Sihks from the neighboring nations while rejecting Christianity and Islam as foreign faiths. When folks gets lynched for allegedly smuggling some beef, many ministers openly say they can understand the mood of the lynchmob!!! And as you can guess the government is wildly popular with Indian-Americans [ever see the maddening crowd when the president of India comes to the US???].

    Then there is China which is a dictatorship and Han majoritarian sentiments are front and centre. They are open about making sure Chinese Christians and Muslims are aligned with Chinese "values" and aren't shy about using force to do that. Anyways since it is a dictatorship, there isn't much to compare with the west.

    So I want you to ask them about these things. I want you to ask them, why, considering that they are such "immigration enthusiasts" here, do they prefer the same kind of right-wing government here as well?. Ask them that since what they desire for themselves back-home is legitimate from their perspective, isn't what the white majority desires here legitimate as well?? Ask them if India would be OK to import a mere million skilled Chinese infrastructure specialists every year to improve India's pathetic civic infrastructure and generally improve it's telecom capabilities [China currently is miles ahead of India with respect to these things]. Ask the Chinese if they would be OK to import and give citizenship to a mere million Indian software specialists? Ask them if their governments are considering these very pressing issues their nation faces. And see how it goes

    , @RonaldB
    The presence of different classes and different intelligence levels, esp. with assortative mating, is not necessarily dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is the systematic dislocation of one (usually the working) class. Unrestricted cheap foreign imports have been dislocating and impoverishing blue collar workers and shutting down manufacturing plants. Interestingly enough, one of the prime causes of the instability of the late Roman empire was the importation of cheap goods over the Roman roads, lowering the prices for farm products, bankrupting farmers who lost their land and became part of the homeless crowds in the Roman cities.

    Law of Civilization and Decay

    If you lose your working class, your small farmers, and your small-town citizens, you lose your military base and have to depend on mercenaries. So much for the establishment Republican policies of free trade, free international markets, lots and lots of foreign wars, and massive immigration (probably looking to replenish the military as much as to provide cheap gardeners and poultry workers.
  191. If it won’t stop the flood, it’s worthless.

  192. @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like the computer-tech captains of industry got their way over the Big-Ag and Big-Development ones. This won't be good for computer types, engineers, and maybe even lawyers (if we're lucky). I guessit will let certain industries just pick and choose their workers - not helpful for the actual-American middle-class, or what's left of it.

    Does anyone have an org-chart of that clown show they call the West Wing? Can Steven Miller fire Jared Kushner? If so, I'd really like to see that.

    Heres how it would be:

  193. @Thulean Friend
    It's a re-election bid for a man who is almost certainly going to lose in 2020 and even if he doesn't, there's no guarantee that the GOP will get back the house.
    More fundamentally, voters are reasonable to ask: why wasn't this implemented when you had full control of the government in 2016-2018?


    Trump has been one of the biggest hoaxes of all of presidential history.

    Maybe I’m wrong that Trump was elected because enough voters in the Heartland believed that he was going to stop the torrent of migrants. If I am, he has a chance of re-election. If I’m not wrong, he’s gone January 20, 2021.

  194. @Dumbo
    Yes, actually in some ways, a "skills-based" immigration system is worse.

    Because then the foreigners with skills will compete with you and your kids. And they will mix better in society.

    See, in the US they bring in illegal Mexicans and h1b Indians who become a kind of servant lower class, so they don't really compete much with the locals for good jobs and women, although they do drive down wages and cause a lot of other issues.

    In places like Canada, a lot of immigrants land relatively good jobs, and there are many more mixed marriages than in the US.

    Apparently, Canada plans to receive one million new immigrants every year, which is quite a lot for a nation of 38 million.

    Then Canada is doomed.

  195. @Anonymous
    I don't see how Trump loses, barring a massive recession, which likely won't happen until around the 2024 election.

    If you go out into the real world and talk to the relatively low information normies out there, most believe that Trump has been tough on immigration, and will believe his pledges on immigration for the second term during the reelection. This plan is not going to turn them off. Also the trade war with China is very good politics. People like to rally around the president whenever there's a foreign spat or quarrel. And if there is an attack on Iran, his reelection is guaranteed. People rally around wartime presidents.

    He lied to the voters*. He didn’t mince words. He said straight out what he was going to do, then he didn’t do it. Didn’t even try.

    Yeah, I know, all pols lie. But what got Trump elected was that he appeared to be not just another politician.

  196. To be honest, the absolute insanity of the Democrats on immigration and racial issues, is Trump’s biggest strength in 2020. Yea, Trump hasn’t done much for his base, but he doesn’t hate them like today’s Democrats do.

  197. @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them.

    Yep.

    Keep in mind that there is much less to White Trashionalism than meets the eye.

    As Peterike rightly said :

    “White Trashionlism is nothing more than the bottom decile of white men angry about the fact that the bottom decile of white women are no longer forced to be with them.”.

  198. @megabar
    > I’m not sure which I prefer. An imported overclass, or an imported underclass?

    Yeah. It's funny, because perhaps a year ago I would have argued that "an imported overclass" is a nonsense statement, and two years before that, I was for essentially all immigration because I didn't believe in group differences.

    It's been a difficult journey for me, because I work with a lot of talented foreigners. They're generally great, well-meaning, and productive folks. It's unpleasant to realize that even good people can, in sufficient numbers, cause a fractured and divided society. Human psychology is funny.

    If you want a healthy society, you can't have different groups of people with different talent levels.
    Importing an overclass will do this as surely as accepting too many third-world asylum seekers.

    Note, interestingly, that the US was probably going to run into this even without immigration, because the combination of assortive mating and dysgenic policies will create distinct classes -- rich/smarter and poor/dumber.

    The irony is that gentle eugenic policies probably are the most ethical and humane solutions to all of the above.

    It’s been a difficult journey for me, because I work with a lot of talented foreigners. They’re generally great, well-meaning, and productive folks. It’s unpleasant to realize that even good people can, in sufficient numbers, cause a fractured and divided society

    Bingo. Unless there is some genuine ideology to rally everybody around, then it is a cause of failure. The later age roman empire and the ottoman caliphate were the only two instance of real multi-cultural places in the days gone by. And it was Christianity and Islam that was the glue respectively. But even then with time it got eventually fractured with many different ethnicities and races competing for the same pie

    I want you to do an experiment. First let’s see where their respective home countries stand vis-a-vis multicultarism and all that mumbo jumbo. Let’s take India first [a putative democracy much like ours]

    Currently there is a hard right government in India which is unabashedly majoritarian in it’s worldview and doesn’t shy away from stressing that during it’s current re-election bid (India is going for the polls now). Many of the ministers openly call Christians as “rice bag converts” and Muslims as “termites/virus that need to be squashed/eradicated” and nothing happens. Their current immigration policy openly prefers Hindus/Buddhists/Sihks from the neighboring nations while rejecting Christianity and Islam as foreign faiths. When folks gets lynched for allegedly smuggling some beef, many ministers openly say they can understand the mood of the lynchmob!!! And as you can guess the government is wildly popular with Indian-Americans [ever see the maddening crowd when the president of India comes to the US???].

    Then there is China which is a dictatorship and Han majoritarian sentiments are front and centre. They are open about making sure Chinese Christians and Muslims are aligned with Chinese “values” and aren’t shy about using force to do that. Anyways since it is a dictatorship, there isn’t much to compare with the west.

    So I want you to ask them about these things. I want you to ask them, why, considering that they are such “immigration enthusiasts” here, do they prefer the same kind of right-wing government here as well?. Ask them that since what they desire for themselves back-home is legitimate from their perspective, isn’t what the white majority desires here legitimate as well?? Ask them if India would be OK to import a mere million skilled Chinese infrastructure specialists every year to improve India’s pathetic civic infrastructure and generally improve it’s telecom capabilities [China currently is miles ahead of India with respect to these things]. Ask the Chinese if they would be OK to import and give citizenship to a mere million Indian software specialists? Ask them if their governments are considering these very pressing issues their nation faces. And see how it goes

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Their current immigration policy openly prefers Hindus/Buddhists/Sihks from the neighboring nations while rejecting Christianity and Islam as foreign faiths.
     
    Asides from illegals from Bangladesh, is there much immigration into India at all?
  199. This is what Trump is saying to his base with this immigration plan:

    Fuck you patriots. I don’t need you to win 2020.

  200. The dull corporate boomers at Powerline haven’t been talking about immigration at all lately. Boomer conservatives have backslid on any gains they made over the last ten years.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    I spoke too soon. Powerline is endorsing Trump's plan and using cucky logic to imagine this will make Trump seem less racist:

    In addition, and perhaps most importantly, by keeping legal immigration where it is, Trump can easily dodge the charge of being anti-immigrant. He can say he’s pro-immigrant — but pro-legal immigrants with skills and with proficiency in English.
     
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/trumps-immigration-proposal.php

    Warning, the comments are horrific.
  201. @IHTG
    There's plenty to like about it. The college-educated are better positioned to demand immigration reduction from elites. So it's a two-step process:

    1) Shift immigration from low-skilled to high-skilled.

    2) Further down the road, reduce immigration.

    In the meantime, the immigrants that do come leave less of a demographic footprint.

    And don't give me any bullshit about "importing a hostile elite". Your elite is already hostile. Let them feel the consequences of their beliefs.

    Either you’re a globalist rat who stand to gain from this plan, or you’re an idiot.

  202. @Wilkey

    We need to end all family migration period, incl. spousal and children’s visas.
     
    A bit over the top and no public support for it. Of course families - meaning husband, wife, and minor children - should be allowed to come intact. I'm even sympathetic to allowing in their elderly parents, if it weren't for the fact that those elderly parents all too often end up being supported by public welfare programs they never worked to support.

    To me the most appalling aspect of chain migration is exactly what I said. Why were national origins quotas racist, yet it's acceptable to hand over so much control over who gets to come here to recent immigrants? If most of the beneficiaries of chain migration were white instead of brown the Left would be calling chain migration the most racist thing imaginable.

    Too damn bad. If the family is that important then stay home with their family, don’t come here.

  203. @Ed
    The asylum system needs to be addressed immediately. It’s the priority.

  204. Let me be clear.
    This is not who we are.
    Only abolishing borders and welcoming all citizens of the world is the value in line with our best traditions.
    Welcome all seven billion from all over the world.
    I allow you bitter clingers to only worship mass immigration. Always more.
    If you even think about discussing that, you are a racist.

    Like my grandmother who was a typical white person.
    However, I enjoyed the “green” she left us, as she was a wealthy typical white person.

  205. @Anon7
    Trump has run into this wall, which is much better built than the border wall he's working on. He's literally the only person in Washington who wants to change immigration policy to benefit Americans who work, both the low-skilled (threatened by people who sneak in) and the tech workers (threatened by legal H1Bs entering with permission).

    I don't understand Trump's strategy here. Surely he knows that Democrats (the pols and the voters) will continue to hate him intensely no matter what he says or does. Surely he understands that he will never receive the support or respect of the mass media in this country no matter what he says or does.

    You might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb - why doesn't President Trump press for what will please the people who elected him and would vote for him again?

    IMO, Trump is positioning himself as an establishment Republican, and taking the risk that the Democratic nominee will either be a rabid socialist or obviously senile. The Democrat turnout in the general election will be limp and lethargic.

    So, the never-Trumpers will kind of dissolve and the traditional Republicans will support and vote for Trump. Trump will get the backing of the usual Republican donors, who will not see any threat to their operations. Under this scenario, the true Trumper immigration hawks will be superfluous.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Anon7
    I’m afraid that Republicans see Trump as a flash in the pan, even an eight year flash in the pan, and are just waiting for him to go away. A two-term president is only in office for a couple of years more than a first term senator.

    Our error is that we don’t force a loyalty test, or something like it, on all Senators and Congressmen: ask them if they will vote with Trump. Replace the ones who won’t swear.

    Dems are doing to Trump what Republicans did to Obama, waiting for him to go away and stonewalling where ever possible. Even so, Trump has accomplished much more than Obama, but he’s just going too slow on immigration. We’re being invaded, it’s never been this bad, and I’m afraid that not one of the 30+ million who are here illegally will ever be forced to leave. They’re having 300,000 anchor babies every year.

    Anyway, the “usual Republicans” will NEVER vote with Trump or support him in public, IMHO.
  206. @Clifford Brown
    OT-

    Mix-ish looks interesting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcnQjti7hlc

    Yeah!

    Except they mixed up the dates a bit. The Branch Davidian ATF FBI massacre occurred under Clinton, not under Reagan. I’m sure the error was entirely inadvertent.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If Kushner had his way it would be 'Branch Dravidian' rather than 'Branch Davidian'.
  207. @Wilkey

    Three words: Trump must lose.
     
    Trump gets it 75% right, which is 75% better than Obama, Bush, or Hillary got right, and you're pissed about it.

    These are all nice steps in the right direction. Not perfect, but at least he's presenting it in a way that's winnable and that shows how ridiculous his opponents really are.

    Too bad he waited until he had no chance of passing it to propose it. Tired of being a sucker yet?

  208. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    What have we got that Australia and Canada don’t got? A 2,000 mile border with the third world, that’s what.

    • Replies: @Citizen of The World
    Let me be clear.
    If my appointees that I seeded all over the civil service have my, er, our way, there will be so many third world citizens of the world in the USA that Canada might as well have a border on the third world.

    I think young Trudeau and I should have a Labatt's beer summit and I will drink to that.
    That is who we are, those are our values.

    "Our" includes: me, myself, and I.

    Now, I need to go, because I have to process my latest huge ACH payment from NetFlix. I almost love capitalism for that.
  209. As I tweeted well in advance of Trump’s “surprise” immigration policy:

    Just as affirmative action has so empowered minorities that it can no longer be repealed, visa fraud has won the cyber war by exploiting the _real_ security hole, immigration. South Asians now control the US’s nervous system. Trump has no choice in the matter.

  210. @istevefan

    What would you do in their situation? What would you advise them to do if you were their friend? (They are friends of my daughter who did the right thing, when several native-born Americans did a very wrong thing.)
     
    How would you advise a father who left his children? Though they are not the literal parents of those back home, they most certainly are related to a good number who might even be close relatives. The point is, if they have been endowed with natural talents, they owe it to their countrymen to help.

    What I find interesting is how most people would sympathize with the two foreigners you know and support their decision to leave behind their countrymen. But think about how Whites who left Detroit and other similar places have been demonized for "White Flight". They are blamed today for the poor circumstances of those places because critics say when they fled, they took away most of the capital and left those behind with little opportunity.

    How are the two foreigners you know different from this? We readily recognize White flight is detrimental to the economic prospects of an area, but somehow we don't recognize the same when talented third worlders flee.

    istevefan wrote to me:

    What I find interesting is how most people would sympathize with the two foreigners you know and support their decision to leave behind their countrymen. But think about how Whites who left Detroit and other similar places have been demonized for “White Flight”. They are blamed today for the poor circumstances of those places because critics say when they fled, they took away most of the capital and left those behind with little opportunity.

    Yes, the analogy is apt, but I have never condemned those who engaged in white flight: my own parents and most of their relatives and friends were among those who did.

    And, neither can I condemn the Ghanian or Bangladeshi who are friends of my daughter.

    I suppose that if the Right had any sense of political strategy, they would push your argument on the Left — hard to see how the Left could respond.

  211. @TGGP
    A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. Since Kushner normally gets flack here for being a boob, I will give some kudos to him.

    “A skills-based immigration system seems to have worked rather well in Canada & Australia. ”

    Are you nuts?

    Canada has still lost its culture. Toronto is turning into a third world craphole in front of our eyes, complete with rising gang violence and gunfire.

    If that’s rather well, what exactly is a failure? The planet of the apes?

  212. @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    “Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid’s college prospects? Which one hurts him more?”

    I’ll take the Latinos. You have no idea how clannish, misogynistic, conniving and un-American most Indians/Pakis/Kashmiris are. Massive rates of welfare fraud, etc.

    Try living in an area where they are > 50+% of the population and let me know how it goes.

    Here’s a hint: when those groups are a minority, they act nice and keep a low profile. When they are more numerous, they don’t feel the need to be nice any more.

  213. @ATBOTL
    The dull corporate boomers at Powerline haven't been talking about immigration at all lately. Boomer conservatives have backslid on any gains they made over the last ten years.

    I spoke too soon. Powerline is endorsing Trump’s plan and using cucky logic to imagine this will make Trump seem less racist:

    In addition, and perhaps most importantly, by keeping legal immigration where it is, Trump can easily dodge the charge of being anti-immigrant. He can say he’s pro-immigrant — but pro-legal immigrants with skills and with proficiency in English.

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/trumps-immigration-proposal.php

    Warning, the comments are horrific.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    In addition, and perhaps most importantly, by keeping legal immigration where it is, Trump can easily dodge the charge of being anti-immigrant. He can say he’s pro-immigrant — but pro-legal immigrants with skills and with proficiency in English.
     
    He's right.
  214. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @RonaldB
    Yeah!

    Except they mixed up the dates a bit. The Branch Davidian ATF FBI massacre occurred under Clinton, not under Reagan. I'm sure the error was entirely inadvertent.

    If Kushner had his way it would be ‘Branch Dravidian’ rather than ‘Branch Davidian’.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    If Kushner had his way it would be ‘Branch Dravidian’ rather than ‘Branch Davidian’.
     
    In 1933, Malvina Hoffman created a really nice bronze statue of a Branch Dravidian for Chicago's Field Museum Races of Mankind anthropology exhibit.

    https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PJ-CF765_hoffma_M_20160322165533.jpg

    , @RonaldB
    I'll have to confess the allusion is over my head.
  215. @Mr McKenna
    Is your Uber driver a war criminal? Somali ex-colonel known as 'the crow' who 'oversaw mass executions' is found to be working for Uber and Lyft in Washington DC

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/16/00/13551136-7034221-image-m-4_1557962012493.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7034221/Is-Uber-driver-war-criminal-Somali-ex-colonel-working-Uber-Lyft.html

    Well, I suppose the colonel lost his war after the mass executions and thus became someone in need of asylum. Fair and humane that he turns up in America.

  216. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL
    I spoke too soon. Powerline is endorsing Trump's plan and using cucky logic to imagine this will make Trump seem less racist:

    In addition, and perhaps most importantly, by keeping legal immigration where it is, Trump can easily dodge the charge of being anti-immigrant. He can say he’s pro-immigrant — but pro-legal immigrants with skills and with proficiency in English.
     
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/trumps-immigration-proposal.php

    Warning, the comments are horrific.

    In addition, and perhaps most importantly, by keeping legal immigration where it is, Trump can easily dodge the charge of being anti-immigrant. He can say he’s pro-immigrant — but pro-legal immigrants with skills and with proficiency in English.

    He’s right.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He’s right and it’s also cucky (my spellcheck changed to Vichy!) thinking. The way the numbers work we need the cucks to beat back the hardcore globalists.
  217. @Thomm's Purple haired femiNAZI

    It’s been a difficult journey for me, because I work with a lot of talented foreigners. They’re generally great, well-meaning, and productive folks. It’s unpleasant to realize that even good people can, in sufficient numbers, cause a fractured and divided society
     
    Bingo. Unless there is some genuine ideology to rally everybody around, then it is a cause of failure. The later age roman empire and the ottoman caliphate were the only two instance of real multi-cultural places in the days gone by. And it was Christianity and Islam that was the glue respectively. But even then with time it got eventually fractured with many different ethnicities and races competing for the same pie

    I want you to do an experiment. First let's see where their respective home countries stand vis-a-vis multicultarism and all that mumbo jumbo. Let's take India first [a putative democracy much like ours]

    Currently there is a hard right government in India which is unabashedly majoritarian in it's worldview and doesn't shy away from stressing that during it's current re-election bid (India is going for the polls now). Many of the ministers openly call Christians as "rice bag converts" and Muslims as "termites/virus that need to be squashed/eradicated" and nothing happens. Their current immigration policy openly prefers Hindus/Buddhists/Sihks from the neighboring nations while rejecting Christianity and Islam as foreign faiths. When folks gets lynched for allegedly smuggling some beef, many ministers openly say they can understand the mood of the lynchmob!!! And as you can guess the government is wildly popular with Indian-Americans [ever see the maddening crowd when the president of India comes to the US???].

    Then there is China which is a dictatorship and Han majoritarian sentiments are front and centre. They are open about making sure Chinese Christians and Muslims are aligned with Chinese "values" and aren't shy about using force to do that. Anyways since it is a dictatorship, there isn't much to compare with the west.

    So I want you to ask them about these things. I want you to ask them, why, considering that they are such "immigration enthusiasts" here, do they prefer the same kind of right-wing government here as well?. Ask them that since what they desire for themselves back-home is legitimate from their perspective, isn't what the white majority desires here legitimate as well?? Ask them if India would be OK to import a mere million skilled Chinese infrastructure specialists every year to improve India's pathetic civic infrastructure and generally improve it's telecom capabilities [China currently is miles ahead of India with respect to these things]. Ask the Chinese if they would be OK to import and give citizenship to a mere million Indian software specialists? Ask them if their governments are considering these very pressing issues their nation faces. And see how it goes

    Their current immigration policy openly prefers Hindus/Buddhists/Sihks from the neighboring nations while rejecting Christianity and Islam as foreign faiths.

    Asides from illegals from Bangladesh, is there much immigration into India at all?

    • Replies: @ZOGged
    Many African students study in India and many a times they get beaten to a pulp even at the slightest hint of a misdemeanor.

    And do you think the locals will keep quite if they see a growing population of Africans in suburban neighborhoods across the country or if the Indian government allows Africans a pathway to citizenship like in the west? Although I am certain many Africans would welcome that
  218. @Anonymous
    If Kushner had his way it would be 'Branch Dravidian' rather than 'Branch Davidian'.

    If Kushner had his way it would be ‘Branch Dravidian’ rather than ‘Branch Davidian’.

    In 1933, Malvina Hoffman created a really nice bronze statue of a Branch Dravidian for Chicago’s Field Museum Races of Mankind anthropology exhibit.

  219. @Jack D
    You are making way too much sense for this crowd. Nothing short of zero immigration is going to please them. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    But allow me to pose this question- assume that you are going to have X level of immigration as a given. Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income (and his kids are going to be competing with your kids for college slots) or is it better to let in 100 Mixtecs who are going to be a multi-generational welfare burden but pose no direct threat to his job or his kid's college prospects? Which one hurts him more?

    Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income…

    The link below has some information on levels of emigration out of India, albeit about fifteen years old.

    From 1995-2005, about half a million Indians emigrated to America, and a quarter million each to Canada, the UK, and the rest of Europe.

    In any given year in that time frame, about 65,000 Indian students were studying in America, perhaps many in graduate school.

    Assuming average time as a student is about 2.5 years (averaging out the time it takes to get a master’s degree in a STEM discipline with getting a Ph.D. or bachelor’s degree) and (safely) assuming that all these students immigrate, about a third of the Indian immigrants to India in that decade had degrees from American universities.

    I’m not sure how H-1B workers tie into all this. They seem to be a huge group all by themselves, most with Indian degrees or programming diplomas.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/emigration-immigration-and-diaspora-relations-india

    • Replies: @Numinous

    and (safely) assuming that all these students immigrate
     
    No, a big chunk try to, but that number is nowhere close to 100%. A foreign student can't even begin to attempt the process of immigration without first getting a job. To get a job,one has to get an H1B visa, or work on OPT until an H1B visa is forthcoming. Once on an H1B, if the employer is willing, a green card can be applied for, but it'll take close to a decade in coming. If any of these steps don't work out (student doesn't get an OPT, student doesn't get a job, student's employer doesn't sponsor a green card application, green card rules change), there's no immigration; student goes back home to India after a few years.

    Then there a lot of people (a minority, but a significant one) who go back to India after graduation or with a year or two work experience under their belt 'cause they just want to or they have family there that needs them.
  220. @Keypusher
    What have we got that Australia and Canada don’t got? A 2,000 mile border with the third world, that’s what.

    Let me be clear.
    If my appointees that I seeded all over the civil service have my, er, our way, there will be so many third world citizens of the world in the USA that Canada might as well have a border on the third world.

    I think young Trudeau and I should have a Labatt’s beer summit and I will drink to that.
    That is who we are, those are our values.

    “Our” includes: me, myself, and I.

    Now, I need to go, because I have to process my latest huge ACH payment from NetFlix. I almost love capitalism for that.

  221. @PiltdownMan

    Is it better for the average middle class American to let in say 100 South Asian college grads who are going to take his middle management job or at least suppress his income...
     
    The link below has some information on levels of emigration out of India, albeit about fifteen years old.

    From 1995-2005, about half a million Indians emigrated to America, and a quarter million each to Canada, the UK, and the rest of Europe.

    In any given year in that time frame, about 65,000 Indian students were studying in America, perhaps many in graduate school.

    Assuming average time as a student is about 2.5 years (averaging out the time it takes to get a master's degree in a STEM discipline with getting a Ph.D. or bachelor's degree) and (safely) assuming that all these students immigrate, about a third of the Indian immigrants to India in that decade had degrees from American universities.

    I'm not sure how H-1B workers tie into all this. They seem to be a huge group all by themselves, most with Indian degrees or programming diplomas.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/emigration-immigration-and-diaspora-relations-india

    and (safely) assuming that all these students immigrate

    No, a big chunk try to, but that number is nowhere close to 100%. A foreign student can’t even begin to attempt the process of immigration without first getting a job. To get a job,one has to get an H1B visa, or work on OPT until an H1B visa is forthcoming. Once on an H1B, if the employer is willing, a green card can be applied for, but it’ll take close to a decade in coming. If any of these steps don’t work out (student doesn’t get an OPT, student doesn’t get a job, student’s employer doesn’t sponsor a green card application, green card rules change), there’s no immigration; student goes back home to India after a few years.

    Then there a lot of people (a minority, but a significant one) who go back to India after graduation or with a year or two work experience under their belt ’cause they just want to or they have family there that needs them.

  222. @megabar
    > I’m not sure which I prefer. An imported overclass, or an imported underclass?

    Yeah. It's funny, because perhaps a year ago I would have argued that "an imported overclass" is a nonsense statement, and two years before that, I was for essentially all immigration because I didn't believe in group differences.

    It's been a difficult journey for me, because I work with a lot of talented foreigners. They're generally great, well-meaning, and productive folks. It's unpleasant to realize that even good people can, in sufficient numbers, cause a fractured and divided society. Human psychology is funny.

    If you want a healthy society, you can't have different groups of people with different talent levels.
    Importing an overclass will do this as surely as accepting too many third-world asylum seekers.

    Note, interestingly, that the US was probably going to run into this even without immigration, because the combination of assortive mating and dysgenic policies will create distinct classes -- rich/smarter and poor/dumber.

    The irony is that gentle eugenic policies probably are the most ethical and humane solutions to all of the above.

    The presence of different classes and different intelligence levels, esp. with assortative mating, is not necessarily dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is the systematic dislocation of one (usually the working) class. Unrestricted cheap foreign imports have been dislocating and impoverishing blue collar workers and shutting down manufacturing plants. Interestingly enough, one of the prime causes of the instability of the late Roman empire was the importation of cheap goods over the Roman roads, lowering the prices for farm products, bankrupting farmers who lost their land and became part of the homeless crowds in the Roman cities.

    Law of Civilization and Decay

    If you lose your working class, your small farmers, and your small-town citizens, you lose your military base and have to depend on mercenaries. So much for the establishment Republican policies of free trade, free international markets, lots and lots of foreign wars, and massive immigration (probably looking to replenish the military as much as to provide cheap gardeners and poultry workers.

    • Replies: @megabar
    > The presence of different classes and different intelligence levels, esp. with assortative mating, is not necessarily dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is the systematic dislocation of one (usually the working) class.

    This is a good point, and I fully agree with the second part. I didn't always, as I thought disruption was a necessary part of progress. But I've come to accept that losing your livelihood through no fault of your own is a raw deal, and it's neither fair nor good for social unity to do that to the working class.

    But while it is correct to provide a decent, secure life for all who are willing to work, there are efficiency drawbacks, and these grow as your working class's productivity drops, which ultimately affect the prosperity of the nation. And as productivity gaps widen, it is harder to maintain any type of social cohesion.

    This is why I included both assortative mating and dysgenics as risk factors.
  223. @Anonymous
    If Kushner had his way it would be 'Branch Dravidian' rather than 'Branch Davidian'.

    I’ll have to confess the allusion is over my head.


  224. https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1129405314770579458

  225. @Anonymous

    In addition, and perhaps most importantly, by keeping legal immigration where it is, Trump can easily dodge the charge of being anti-immigrant. He can say he’s pro-immigrant — but pro-legal immigrants with skills and with proficiency in English.
     
    He's right.

    He’s right and it’s also cucky (my spellcheck changed to Vichy!) thinking. The way the numbers work we need the cucks to beat back the hardcore globalists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So you agree with being cucky then?
  226. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    He’s right and it’s also cucky (my spellcheck changed to Vichy!) thinking. The way the numbers work we need the cucks to beat back the hardcore globalists.

    So you agree with being cucky then?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It's an ethos.
  227. @RonaldB
    The presence of different classes and different intelligence levels, esp. with assortative mating, is not necessarily dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is the systematic dislocation of one (usually the working) class. Unrestricted cheap foreign imports have been dislocating and impoverishing blue collar workers and shutting down manufacturing plants. Interestingly enough, one of the prime causes of the instability of the late Roman empire was the importation of cheap goods over the Roman roads, lowering the prices for farm products, bankrupting farmers who lost their land and became part of the homeless crowds in the Roman cities.

    Law of Civilization and Decay

    If you lose your working class, your small farmers, and your small-town citizens, you lose your military base and have to depend on mercenaries. So much for the establishment Republican policies of free trade, free international markets, lots and lots of foreign wars, and massive immigration (probably looking to replenish the military as much as to provide cheap gardeners and poultry workers.

    > The presence of different classes and different intelligence levels, esp. with assortative mating, is not necessarily dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is the systematic dislocation of one (usually the working) class.

    This is a good point, and I fully agree with the second part. I didn’t always, as I thought disruption was a necessary part of progress. But I’ve come to accept that losing your livelihood through no fault of your own is a raw deal, and it’s neither fair nor good for social unity to do that to the working class.

    But while it is correct to provide a decent, secure life for all who are willing to work, there are efficiency drawbacks, and these grow as your working class’s productivity drops, which ultimately affect the prosperity of the nation. And as productivity gaps widen, it is harder to maintain any type of social cohesion.

    This is why I included both assortative mating and dysgenics as risk factors.

  228. @Anonymous
    So you agree with being cucky then?

    It’s an ethos.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Probably suboptimal, perhaps necessary.
  229. @Desiderius
    It's an ethos.

    Probably suboptimal, perhaps necessary.

  230. @RonaldB
    IMO, Trump is positioning himself as an establishment Republican, and taking the risk that the Democratic nominee will either be a rabid socialist or obviously senile. The Democrat turnout in the general election will be limp and lethargic.

    So, the never-Trumpers will kind of dissolve and the traditional Republicans will support and vote for Trump. Trump will get the backing of the usual Republican donors, who will not see any threat to their operations. Under this scenario, the true Trumper immigration hawks will be superfluous.

    I’m afraid that Republicans see Trump as a flash in the pan, even an eight year flash in the pan, and are just waiting for him to go away. A two-term president is only in office for a couple of years more than a first term senator.

    Our error is that we don’t force a loyalty test, or something like it, on all Senators and Congressmen: ask them if they will vote with Trump. Replace the ones who won’t swear.

    Dems are doing to Trump what Republicans did to Obama, waiting for him to go away and stonewalling where ever possible. Even so, Trump has accomplished much more than Obama, but he’s just going too slow on immigration. We’re being invaded, it’s never been this bad, and I’m afraid that not one of the 30+ million who are here illegally will ever be forced to leave. They’re having 300,000 anchor babies every year.

    Anyway, the “usual Republicans” will NEVER vote with Trump or support him in public, IMHO.

  231. @Achmed E. Newman
    I have no argument regarding the market for lawyers, GU. I just hope I don't have to talk to any lawyers for the remainder of my life, no matter where they come from.

    I just hope I don’t have to talk to any lawyers for the remainder of my life,

    That was harsh. I’ll make an exception for lawyer Ann Coulter. I wouldn’t mind talking to her … just pillow talk, mind you … “you roll over on my side an0ther time, and I’ll sue you for everything you got!”

  232. @PiltdownMan

    Their current immigration policy openly prefers Hindus/Buddhists/Sihks from the neighboring nations while rejecting Christianity and Islam as foreign faiths.
     
    Asides from illegals from Bangladesh, is there much immigration into India at all?

    Many African students study in India and many a times they get beaten to a pulp even at the slightest hint of a misdemeanor.

    And do you think the locals will keep quite if they see a growing population of Africans in suburban neighborhoods across the country or if the Indian government allows Africans a pathway to citizenship like in the west? Although I am certain many Africans would welcome that

  233. @PhysicistDave
    Anon000 wrote:

    Up until recently my job involved federal government new hires. I think the average American would be shocked by just how many of the new hires are of East Indian and Chinese extraction (naturalized citizens and second generation).
     
    I'm currently trying to deal with a bunch of bureaucrats on a complex issue. I wish they were all South or East Asians: the Asians tend to be relatively intelligent and reasonably sane.

    You can always emigrate to Singapore if you know Haskell-plenty of competent Asian bureaucrats here-but I dunno how well the neo-Plato’s Republic would wear on your nerves in the long run. 😉

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  234. @3g4me
    @60 Physicist Dave: "Absurd. It’s the culture, stupid."

    And politics is downstream from culture, which is downstream from GENETICS, stupid. In other words, race matters. Not simply the Negro, but equally the Han or the Hindoo is unassimilable and intended to replace White Americans.

    America - so blessed by arrogant, ignorant deracinated cucks who brag about their sperginess in their online name.

    3g4me wrote to me:

    And politics is downstream from culture, which is downstream from GENETICS, stupid.

    Well… Thomas Sowell and I share similar cultural values, more so than I do with the majority of my fellow Caucasians. I think it is fair to say that Sowell and I are of different races.

    So… if you are right, how can this happen?

    And, thanks for the compliment that calling myself a physicist is “bragging,” but I need to break to you that most Americans are more impressed with the fact that I once performed onstage with the actor John Goodman (John went to my high school) than with the fact that I earned a PhD in physics. I am afraid that “physicist” does not provide a high status in America! But, for better or worse, it’s who I am.

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