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From The Tablet:

DEMOCRATS ARE TURNING IMMIGRATION INTO A MORAL ULTIMATUM

Why have attitudes on immigration gotten so much more radical in recent years? Hint: It’s not just Trump.

By Zach Goldberg
July 25, 2019 • 12:00 AM

Deciding who does and does not get to become an American has never been simply a matter of law. In the U.S., immigration has long been a social gospel as well a policy question; a balance of moral and practical considerations. We’ve come a long way since the bigoted nativism of early 20th century anti-immigrant crusaders, but in our own time it’s the moral mythologies of liberal Democrats that have become increasingly detached from practical realties. The traditionally pro-immigration Democratic Party has not simply become more pro-immigration in recent years. Rather, in a fairly rapid shift over the past two decades, the party leadership and faithful have adopted a radical new framework that treats any restrictions on immigration and enforcement of current laws as immoral.

Sensible immigration reforms and policies that long commanded the support of majorities in both parties are now decried as veiled racism. In their place, the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is pushing for an immigration vision that borders on open-borders advocacy. Three years into the Trump administration, some of the radicalization on the left is undoubtedly responding to the reports of deportations, squalid conditions in detention facilities and the increasing normalization of nativist rhetoric from the White House. But Trump is not the fundamental driver of this phenomenon, which started before he took office and fits into the larger pattern of “white saviorism” pulling the Democrats to the left.

I think Democrats increasingly see all 7.5 billion Pre-American-Americans as a minority oppressed by the 95 million straight white male Americans.

The article has lots of graphs on trends in immigration ideology.

For an example of the logic of this ideology, here’s an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times this morning:

Op-Ed: I’m Jewish and I don’t say this lightly: ‘Never again’ is right now in America

By DAVID L. ULIN
JULY 26, 2019 3 AM

We live in a country where people are being held in concentration camps. …

It is because of the Holocaust that we must refer to the government’s detention centers as “concentration camps.” We become complicit if we do not speak up. We know the cost of silence. Calling the camps by their true name does not demean or diminish the Holocaust, it respects the millions who died. Our bearing witness is their legacy.

Ergo, American citizens have no right to take effective measures to keep their country from being overrun by the 7.5 billion non-Americans in the world. QED.

 
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  1. “Three years into the Trump administration, some of the radicalization on the left is undoubtedly responding to the reports of deportations, squalid conditions in detention facilities…”

    Yes, one of the things that’s changed radically has been the reporting. Routine matters under Obama now provoke media hysteria.

    • Agree: HammerJack, syonredux
    • Replies: @guest
    I was bound in rapt attention to the saga of news outlets accidentally using pictures from the Obama Age during the Cholocaust.
  2. As a kid in the early 1960’s TV stations ran PSA. I remember two in particular. One was a jingle about wearing a seatbelt that advised ‘For your driving safety always buckle up’ the other was a far less light hearted warning that ‘All Aliens in the United States’ had to register by a certain date. Kennedy was still president I believe or, if not, LBJ had just assumed the office but the stentorian warning to aliens to report and register was of sufficient importance to the US government then as to require a TV ad campaign. Thing was in the Fairfax County, Virginia or that era this boy didn’t know any ‘aliens’. My father played chess with a Spanish guy who was a diplomat or something but we didn’t have swarthy mestizo landscapers or restaurant workers back then. White teenagers held those jobs and, as for domestic help, there were stout black ladies from the District of the sort one sees now holding office as state legislators.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement - a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).

    When I was growing up, for some reason my sister (born in a displaced persons camp in Germany but came here when she was 2) was not a US citizen even though my parents had been naturalized at the earliest possible date (she later corrected this). IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic - you had to file some paperwork but they never did it for her - I dunno why. So each year she had to fill out this little form - it was no big deal and as far as I could tell they didn't do anything with them (maybe that's why they discontinued them) - not once were we ever contacted by anyone from INS. It was just another piece of routine government paperwork like your car registration renewal or your dog license and carried about the same level of emotion (none). I guess the idea was that if there was ever a war or something and they needed to round up all the enemy aliens they would know where to find them but since there was never a war they just filled up some huge warehouse with these cards and did nothing with them.

    But now I know that sending that card in was really a humiliation. I have to call my sister up and tell her to be retroactively humiliated and angry and to hate Trump and America because she used to have to fill out those cards.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Memories-of-an-annual-humiliation-10778814.php
    , @Justvisiting
    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/newsreel-scripted-title-card-reads-the-united-states-dept-news-footage/508456141

    This one is from 1940.
  3. I for one welcome our littering overlords.

  4. @Harry Baldwin
    "Three years into the Trump administration, some of the radicalization on the left is undoubtedly responding to the reports of deportations, squalid conditions in detention facilities..."

    Yes, one of the things that's changed radically has been the reporting. Routine matters under Obama now provoke media hysteria.

    I was bound in rapt attention to the saga of news outlets accidentally using pictures from the Obama Age during the Cholocaust.

  5. Democrats Are Turning Immigration Into a Moral Ultimatum

    No kidding — read the thread: he could cure cancer and they still wouldn’t cut him any slack.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Is there a paleontology gap?
    , @ben tillman
    That's a genocidal mob.
  6. Anon[294] • Disclaimer says:

    The first few chapters of Eric Kaufmann’s White Shift trace the history of immigration thought back 200 years: really recommended. There is nothing new under the sun. The Greewich Village Young Intellectuals came up with the idea that “ethnic minorities shoiuld preserve themselves while the majority should dissolve itself” in the teens of the last century.

    OT

    A little late on this. Armenian all down the line:

    John Berberian, founder of Jons Market in California, died March 12, 2019, due to a heart attack.

    Funeral services are scheduled for 12:30 p.m. Friday, March 22, at St. Mary’s Church, 500 South Central Avenue, Glendale, California. Burial will be at God’s Acre, Forest Lawn-Hollywood Hills, 6300 Forest Lawn Drive, Los Angeles.

    A Hokejash (memorial luncheon) will be held at Taglyan Comples, 1201 Vine Street, Los Angeles.

    In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to Ararat Home (arathome.org) or Western Prelacy of the Armenian Church (westernprelacy.org).

    Mr. Berberian was the co-founder of Jons Marketplace, a family owned supermarket chain with 14 Southern California locations serving Los Angeles, Van Nuys, Glendale, West Hollywood, Winnetka, North Hollywood, Simi Valley, Westminster and Reseda. Since its founding in 1977, Jons has adapted to the changing demographics of the region and successfully competed and grown in the communities it serves.

    Mr. Berberian served on the boards of directors of Memorial Health Foundation, Campbell Hall High School and AGBU Manoogian Demirdjian School, and had served as city commissioner for the Department of Transportation for the City of Los Angeles. He also was a recipient of the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

    Mr. Berberian was first elected to the Unified Grocers Board of Directors in 1991.

    https://www.theshelbyreport.com/2019/03/21/funeral-services-planned-for-jons-market-founder/

    • Replies: @Anon
    Agreed on White Shift. His coverage of the 1910's - 1960's, during which Cosmopolitanism replaced Protestantism as the dominant US religion, was eye-opening. The first third of the book should be required reading, since it deconstructs Cosmopolitanism for what it is -- a religion, as opposed to a rational reaction to two world wars, as it is commonly portrayed.
  7. DEMOCRATS ARE TURNING IMMIGRATION INTO A MORAL ULTIMATUM

    That much is true, except that Democrats are immoral when it comes to immigration.

  8. Our side engaged in…for years…boring uninspiring Policy Wonkery…Study X versus Study Y….What appeal could this possibly have to Native Born White American Working Class Males such as the young White Male who stole that plane in the State of Washington.The now Legendary Sky King. Do you think Jared Taylor yapping about IQ text psychometrics had any appeal to Sky King?….Jared Taylor as recently as Yesterday:”According to a new psychometric study Asian Americans are smarter than Huwhite People….”

  9. The left hates winners – any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B’s expense…and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it’s white Americans’ fault – if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    They didn't have to compare themselves to Europeans, duh.
    , @Jake
    The Left does not Jews, per capita the richest people on the planet. The Left does not hate Hollywood moguls. The Left does not hate Arab sheiks. The Left does not hate the New York Times or the Washington Post. The Left does not hate all kinds of 'winners.' Liberal and hard Left faculty are the winners at Harvard, and the Left loves them.

    The Left hates in proportion to the degree to which the group in question is perceived to be still tied to something pre-Modern European and therefore of Christendom and to the degree that the group is feared to be a potential threat to Modern Revolution in a general sense.
    , @Ian Smith
    I’ve heard that line of thinking a lot from 3rd world intellectuals. It’s either blame colonialism or admit your society sucks, so it’s an understandable if counterproductive way of thinking.
    , @Tiny Duck
    Not true and you are ignorant

    Liberals love Black Men and they win in the sexual marketplace

    We are fighting against white supremacy and will show no mercy

    The thing is a white majority country face as trump a man who is a traitor and conspired with Russia to steal the election

    The mueller hearing confirmed it

    The article is senseless, there is no theoretical framework & it lacks external validity. Reads like an ideological rant, not science
    , @pyrrhus
    There's one small group that has done far better than other minorities, and even has its own country which gets huge subsidies from the US, that Democrats don't criticize, and even seem to worship....
    , @Reg Cæsar

    a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess
     

    The U.S. Navy sent my uncle to Pakistan in the 1960s. It must be his fault.

    Now, that was East Pakistan, a subcontinent away from Pakistan Pakistan. But maybe it was Uncle Ray who put all those weird American ideas he picked up in grade school civics into Bengal minds, thus riving a natural, compact entity into separate World Cup cricket elevens.

    , @Hypnotoad666

    they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B’s expense…and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A
     
    But, strangely, super-successful and clever Group J is never a problem.
    , @istevefan

    The left hates winners – any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B’s expense…and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.
     
    I think part of this is correct, however, you need to scope it down to Europeans. The left has a problem with Whites. When non-White groups outperform others, it is usually not a problem for them, else they'd be interested in the Asian-White gap and other related issues. I don't think they have even contemplated the Asian-black gap. So it appears they are only upset when Whites outperform others.
    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    "The left hates winners – any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B’s expense…and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A."

    Really? Could have fooled me. With a few notable exceptions (e. g. The Clitless Bulbhead), I just haven't see much on the "left" in the way of subjecting (((Fiendishly Clever Group A))) to an inquisition.
  10. In the U.S., immigration has long been a social gospel as well a policy question;….

    No, it hasn’t. It has only been “social gospel” to, and because of, people with names like “Zach Goldberg”.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @IHTG

    There's nothing "troll-ey" about my comment at all. It is a perfectly reasonable observation.
  11. The left hates winners – any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect

    Yes, this is why they go after Jews, South Asians, East Asians, tech oligarchs, black athletes, Chads, tenured academics, etc.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    Yeah, but the right lets Asians off the hook a lot compared to Latinos. Think, Asians are more likely to take jobs away from whites than Latinos. Much of the Democratic left supported getting rid of caps for those that came from China, India, and so forth. Most of the hardcore left is not white but are like the squard, AOC, Tlarb, Omar, and Pressley. We get the Antifa image from progandra from both the left and right. Antifa is mainly in very liberal places like Portland, but there are lots of the hardcore left that are racial minorities like AOC.
  12. “I think Democrats increasingly see all 7.5 billion Pre-American-Americans as a minority oppressed by the 95 million straight white male Americans.”

    It is yet another chapter of the old story of Revolutions devouring their own as part of the process of punishing, usually with the desire to exterminate, those they see as part of the pre-Revolution world.

    That dried up old whore Pelosi could be dragged out today by a firing squad of nothing but non-white Trannies who execute the death sentence for her crime of being a white woman Feminist who oppressed Persons of Color and the multi-gendered, and Nancy would die a silent lipped, loyal child of the Revolution, damning the heritage of the racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic Patriarchy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    It is yet another chapter of the old story of Revolutions devouring their own as part of the process of punishing, usually with the desire to exterminate.
     
    Citation?
  13. Sorry Mr Sailer, but I think some of the world’s pre-American Americans, are likely to stay decidedly pre-American.
    The day when caravans of white South African asylum-seekers form up in Mexico will be the day when the progressive ‘white saviours’ hurriedly start to built the border wall.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Nah, wait until the castizas from Venuezela show up.
  14. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    They didn’t have to compare themselves to Europeans, duh.

  15. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    The Left does not Jews, per capita the richest people on the planet. The Left does not hate Hollywood moguls. The Left does not hate Arab sheiks. The Left does not hate the New York Times or the Washington Post. The Left does not hate all kinds of ‘winners.’ Liberal and hard Left faculty are the winners at Harvard, and the Left loves them.

    The Left hates in proportion to the degree to which the group in question is perceived to be still tied to something pre-Modern European and therefore of Christendom and to the degree that the group is feared to be a potential threat to Modern Revolution in a general sense.

  16. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    I’ve heard that line of thinking a lot from 3rd world intellectuals. It’s either blame colonialism or admit your society sucks, so it’s an understandable if counterproductive way of thinking.

  17. Whatever American White males are generally for, the Democratic Party is, or will soon, be against and whatever American White males are against, the Democratic Party is, or will soon, be for.

    Pick any issue at all. Whatever a White American male is generally for, they want to tear down. Whatever a White American male is against, they want to build up.

    Ask a psychologist to explain.

    It’s why they will go increasingly for Islam as well.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    Scratch a progressive and, every time, you'll find a pimply, adolescent rebel screaming: "F*** you, dad!"
  18. • Replies: @Jesse
    And where do the cultural practices come from?

    I wish the Pakistanis in Pakistan's all prosperity and happiness, however they define it. But "be like me" isn't great advice.
  19. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail and all

  20. I guess what these extremist Democrats believe is that what every brown person on the planet needs in order to survive is to live in a country that is run by white people. Perhaps everytime they advocate for open borders we can sum it up that way for them, just to explicitly state exactly what it is they obviously believe in.

    And how that plan is different from colonialism is only in the way that it has brown people taking over white countries instead of white people governing brown ones.

    Of course once those brown people get here how we are supposed to simultaneously maintain a) white control, and b) democracy, is anyone’s guess. At that point their view seems to shift from the belief that brown people need to live under white control to the belief that white people need the authenticity and moral purity of brown people (who, to remember were unable to run their own countries properly) in order to survive.

    Somalia is horrific mess, but white people need the wisdom of Ilhan Omar to teach us how to run America. Puerto Ricans have been leaving Puerto Rico in droves for a century now, but we need Lin-Manuel Miranda and AOC to wisely guide the hand of state.

    All this doesn’t even manage to get to how Democratic Party belief in unlimited mass immigration completely undermines every other long-held party principle, such as economic equality, protecting the environment, etc.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

  21. The people who are the drivers behind what amounts to an open borders policy–mainly upper class elites– remain pretty much immune from the consequences of such a policy. Inevitably that will all end, because the dust that they’re kicking up will eventually settle and will suffocate everyone. The tragedy of it all is that because of the derangement of one group, all of us will have to suffer. But at least we can take comfort in knowing that they will suffer too.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews were usually liberal was because Jews were usually affluent so that they could escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.
  22. The bipartisan plan is to reach 1 billion inhabitants in a generation and nothing will stand in their way. You’d need nukes to stop them.

  23. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    Not true and you are ignorant

    Liberals love Black Men and they win in the sexual marketplace

    We are fighting against white supremacy and will show no mercy

    The thing is a white majority country face as trump a man who is a traitor and conspired with Russia to steal the election

    The mueller hearing confirmed it

    The article is senseless, there is no theoretical framework & it lacks external validity. Reads like an ideological rant, not science

    • Troll: Unladen Swallow
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    @RonUnz, can we have a Pathetic Troll button along with the current Troll one?
    , @Ron Mexico
    Is Leonard Pitts married to a white woman?
  24. This seems to be very common on the Left – the Overton Window gets pushed to the left constantly and last year’s “radical” position becomes this year’s minimum requirement for not being a Deplorable. We saw this with issues like gay marriage, which was once (not too long ago) opposed even by mainstream Democrat figures like Obama but very quickly became something that all right thinking people supported. If in 2019 you hold the exact same position on gay marriage that Obama held in 2009, this can only mean that you are some kind of Bible thumping yahoo Neanderthal. When the Dems pull this off successfully, it becomes not only the mandatory position for mainstream Democrat politicians but for EVERYONE, including mainstream Republicans.

    The Democrat primary season is prime time for Overton Window pushing as mainstream candidates are pulled toward the position of the most Leftist candidates in order to maintain their appeal with the Party activist base. So the most Leftist primary candidates will take up the $15/hr minimum wage or Medicare for all and pretty soon ALL the candidates have shifted toward the same position – no one wants to be labeled as the reactionary old fart who won’t get with the program. That’s where we are now with open borders.

    And of course, it’s not just candidates – once Pravda (oops, I mean the NY Times) announces the Party Line then all good liberals have to get in line and even if they thought that open borders was insane a week ago, effective immediately this is the position of all right-thinking people and anyone who says otherwise gets his Goodwhite card confiscated and must be considered as belonging to the camp of the enemy.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @L Woods

    this can only mean that you are some kind of Bible thumping yahoo Neanderthal
     
    Given that the Neanderthals were apparently more intelligent and less group(think) oriented than homo sapiens, they’d actually be right funnily enough.
    , @Jesse
    I wouldn't lump raising the minimum wage with open borders. Raising the most minimum wage is both good and wildly popular. (It's also completely incompatible with open borders.)
    , @Digital Samizdat

    So the most Leftist primary candidates will take up the $15/hr minimum wage or Medicare for all and pretty soon ALL the candidates have shifted toward the same position ...
     
    Wouldn't mind either of those. But what liberals refuse to see is that they are completely, utterly and totally incompatible with open borders.
    , @Nicholas Stix
    "When the Dems pull this off successfully, it becomes not only the mandatory position for mainstream Democrat politicians but for EVERYONE, including mainstream Republicans."

    The Dems' success is always predicated on the GOPers' surrender. If Republicans fiercely fought back on every hill, they would have been stopping the Communists, er, Democrats, cold again and again. Instead, with every fight, mainstream Republicans say to themselves, "That's not a hill I'm willing to die on."

    Mainstream Republicans have been worse than Communists for generations, because they deliberately sap the moral force of patriotic, conservatives to fill their own pockets, while surrendering to the Reds at every turn. The GOP-ers are anti-anti-Communists (think Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz, Obama conservative David Brooks, et al.).

    And whenever a patriot arises willing to die on that hill, the a-a-Cs turn on him with fury, as they did with Trump. William F. Buckley Jr. did it all the time, going back to Robert Welch in 1962.

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2016/10/william-f-buckley-how-i-conspired-to.html
  25. @Jack D
    This seems to be very common on the Left - the Overton Window gets pushed to the left constantly and last year's "radical" position becomes this year's minimum requirement for not being a Deplorable. We saw this with issues like gay marriage, which was once (not too long ago) opposed even by mainstream Democrat figures like Obama but very quickly became something that all right thinking people supported. If in 2019 you hold the exact same position on gay marriage that Obama held in 2009, this can only mean that you are some kind of Bible thumping yahoo Neanderthal. When the Dems pull this off successfully, it becomes not only the mandatory position for mainstream Democrat politicians but for EVERYONE, including mainstream Republicans.

    The Democrat primary season is prime time for Overton Window pushing as mainstream candidates are pulled toward the position of the most Leftist candidates in order to maintain their appeal with the Party activist base. So the most Leftist primary candidates will take up the $15/hr minimum wage or Medicare for all and pretty soon ALL the candidates have shifted toward the same position - no one wants to be labeled as the reactionary old fart who won't get with the program. That's where we are now with open borders.

    And of course, it's not just candidates - once Pravda (oops, I mean the NY Times) announces the Party Line then all good liberals have to get in line and even if they thought that open borders was insane a week ago, effective immediately this is the position of all right-thinking people and anyone who says otherwise gets his Goodwhite card confiscated and must be considered as belonging to the camp of the enemy.

    this can only mean that you are some kind of Bible thumping yahoo Neanderthal

    Given that the Neanderthals were apparently more intelligent and less group(think) oriented than homo sapiens, they’d actually be right funnily enough.

  26. Anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:

    To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher:

    “It’s very easy to be generous with somebody else’s country”.

  27. Steve

    You have never written about the India Policy Group…A Hindu “American” PAC that owns 3/4 of the US Congress…

    Immigration Reform Policy Wonkery is a failure because it was always irrelevant to Native Born White American Working Class Males…..GUT LEVEL HUWHITE RACIAL TRIBALISM was always the way to go….The lonely-isolated Sky King would be alive today if we could have avoided Study X versus Study Y monotonous Immigration Reform Policy Wonkery……

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    GUT LEVEL HUWHITE RACIAL TRIBALISM was always the way to go
     
    And that means saying what exactly?
    , @The Alarmist

    You have never written about the India Policy Group…A Hindu “American” PAC that owns 3/4 of the US Congress…
     
    Yes, take that plus the 7/8ths owned by AIPAC (I probably won't be surprised when I see Ilhan Omar's name on their donee list), the 2/3rds owned by the NRA, the 1/7th still owned by Big Tobacco, the 15/16ths owned by Big Pharma, the 532/535ths owned by the Trial Lawyers, etc., etc., etc., and it becomes clear that all 535 voting members of the US Congress have learned from their Wall Street masters (who surprisingly only own 512 of them) how to re-hypothecate themelves for maximum cash flow.
  28. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    There’s one small group that has done far better than other minorities, and even has its own country which gets huge subsidies from the US, that Democrats don’t criticize, and even seem to worship….

  29. Accusations of racism and anti-Jewism must be ignored by White Core America.

    White Core America must counter-attack against the anti-White rats.

    Fight Back!

  30. We’ve come a long way since the bigoted nativism of early 20th century anti-immigrant crusaders,

    The guy lost me there.

    You will notice in discussing immigration only one side is given the ‘anti’ prefix. If you are against further immigration you are anti-immigrant. But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix ‘anti’.

    We are told that those who oppose mass immigration do so in part because they want to keep their proportion of the population and do not want to be diluted with other people. But aren’t the other people who favor more of their kin as immigrants doing so to increase their proportion of the population at the expense of the existing peoples? And if so, why is it wrong in the former, but OK in the latter?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    This may be (or Zach may think it is) the price of getting published in Tablet.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix ‘anti’.
     
    The media pull this stunt this with every issue, not just immigration.

    There are lots of "right-wing" groups slithering across the land, but few if any "left-wing" ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.
    , @L Woods
    Bc yt doubleplus ungood. You’re welcome.
    , @J.Ross
    He's trying to talk sense while maintaining every inane baseless faith article. Don't read him normally, instead watch out for what he lets through. Like if a Politburo member acknowledged a Soviet mistake amid a cloud of you-are-lynching-negroes propaganda.
  31. Zach’s new genre of quantitative punditry makes do much sense one wonders why it hasn’t been done before.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Zach’s new genre of quantitative punditry makes do much sense one wonders why it hasn’t been done before.
     
    What is "quantitative punditry"?
  32. @Wilkey
    I guess what these extremist Democrats believe is that what every brown person on the planet needs in order to survive is to live in a country that is run by white people. Perhaps everytime they advocate for open borders we can sum it up that way for them, just to explicitly state exactly what it is they obviously believe in.

    And how that plan is different from colonialism is only in the way that it has brown people taking over white countries instead of white people governing brown ones.

    Of course once those brown people get here how we are supposed to simultaneously maintain a) white control, and b) democracy, is anyone's guess. At that point their view seems to shift from the belief that brown people need to live under white control to the belief that white people need the authenticity and moral purity of brown people (who, to remember were unable to run their own countries properly) in order to survive.

    Somalia is horrific mess, but white people need the wisdom of Ilhan Omar to teach us how to run America. Puerto Ricans have been leaving Puerto Rico in droves for a century now, but we need Lin-Manuel Miranda and AOC to wisely guide the hand of state.

    All this doesn't even manage to get to how Democratic Party belief in unlimited mass immigration completely undermines every other long-held party principle, such as economic equality, protecting the environment, etc.

    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda – I found myself wanting to be on the side of the “good guys” and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also – either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different – rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @El Dato

    Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    So it would just have been like the subprime mortgage "crisis", just a bit earlier.
    , @Anonymous

    I have to say it was very effective propaganda – I found myself wanting to be on the side of the “good guys” and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.
     
    What techniques did they use that you can you identify?
    , @Lurker

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel 'bused' should be spelled 'bussed' and 'busing' as 'bussing')

    , @Wilkey
    I particularly like the dissenting opinion in that case from Thurgood Marshall:

    School district lines, however innocently drawn, will surely be perceived as fences to separate the races when, under a Detroit-only decree, white parents [will] withdraw their children from the Detroit city schools and move to the suburbs in order to continue them in all-white schools
     
    We all know the absolute horror of white people being allowed to make decisions on where to educate their kids, and how the United Statea was founded precisely for the purpose of not allowing white parents to choose where and how to educate their children.

    "We the People, in order to form a more perfect union, and in order to prevent white parents from choosing how and where to raise and educate their children, and to ensure the blessings of liberty for the posterity of others but not our own, yadda yadda yadda."

    While I don't at all agree with de jure segregation, it's kind of revealing that one of the primary goals of government-imposed integration is to make it so that black people don't have to live amongst their own. It's only common sense that blacks should have the same access to jobs, government services, etc. as anyone else. But if black people having to live in neighborhoods or attend schools with other blacks is considered punishment, then it tells you that the Left (and blacks themselves) don't really look too kindly on the African race.

    In retrospect it may have been better if conservatives had lost that Supreme Court case. Instead of the (relatively) slow decline of Detroit and the nation's auto industry it may have all happened in one swell foop, and the extremism of "progressives" would have been more obvious to all.
    , @Anonymous

    Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    And untold trillions in property values would have been created as Whites relocated.
    , @Anonymous
    A few more buses might have went kaboom, too.

    I remember that didn't happen where I grew up but there were a lot of flat tires and occasionally the block heaters would get their cords cut, meaning in cold weather they wouldn't start.
    , @AnotherDad

    In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also – either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different – rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    Good comment Jack.

    I'd thought through this a few times before, so before i even got to your last paragraph i'd already had the thought that that alternative reality might have been better.

    What actually happened in the 70s and 80s--and then with crime in the 90s--is that "the great silent majority" counter revolution stopped the worst excesses of minoritarianism from being visited.

    However, it was a preferential stoppage. Basically it was stopped from really screwing up the lives of well-to-doish good-whites ... so that they never had to face the crappification of their leafy suburb or their precious NYC. But the deplorables had it rammed up their ass.

    We might well have been better off if these assholes had had some "diversity" rammed up their asses good and hard. Then our political conversation would be improved.

    Trump needs to get on this now and get those refugee detention centers setup on the Upper West Side, Upper East Side, Chappaqua, Park Slope, Georgetown, the priciest D.C. suburbs, Cambridge, Highland Park, San Francisco, Palo Alto, Beverly Hills, Westwood, Santa Monica, etc. etc.
  33. @istevefan

    We’ve come a long way since the bigoted nativism of early 20th century anti-immigrant crusaders,
     
    The guy lost me there.

    You will notice in discussing immigration only one side is given the 'anti' prefix. If you are against further immigration you are anti-immigrant. But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix 'anti'.

    We are told that those who oppose mass immigration do so in part because they want to keep their proportion of the population and do not want to be diluted with other people. But aren't the other people who favor more of their kin as immigrants doing so to increase their proportion of the population at the expense of the existing peoples? And if so, why is it wrong in the former, but OK in the latter?

    This may be (or Zach may think it is) the price of getting published in Tablet.

  34. I doubt there are even 85 million Straight white American males in the United States. The last census counted 95 million White males , but 5% are probably queers and another 5% do not consider themselves white (Arabs, Persians, North Africans etc…)

    Must be less than 70 million straight White European Christian males left in America. The white population peaked in 2014 and will continue to decline each year until none are left.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    The white population peaked in 2014 and will continue to decline each year until none are left.
     
    The liberal white population peaked in 2014 and will continue to decline each year until none are left. TFIFY.
  35. @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    So it would just have been like the subprime mortgage “crisis”, just a bit earlier.

  36. OT

    At the College Fix:

    “Study finds transgender people more politically conservative than straight men”

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/study-finds-transgender-people-more-politically-conservative-than-straight-men/

    • Replies: @Jesse
    Well, duh. The transgender agenda is uber traditionalist. It states that anyone who is gender non conforming - possibly even gay! - can't just be considered as an anomaly, or even just someone with a fetish. No, they must be the opposite sex! All wrinkles that make us uncomfortable must be ironed out! Men's sexual desires are paramount!
  37. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW! …unless they’ve been ordered deported by the court.

  38. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess

    The U.S. Navy sent my uncle to Pakistan in the 1960s. It must be his fault.

    Now, that was East Pakistan, a subcontinent away from Pakistan Pakistan. But maybe it was Uncle Ray who put all those weird American ideas he picked up in grade school civics into Bengal minds, thus riving a natural, compact entity into separate World Cup cricket elevens.

  39. Another child* has died** in Trump’s detention camps.

    [MORE]
  40. @istevefan

    We’ve come a long way since the bigoted nativism of early 20th century anti-immigrant crusaders,
     
    The guy lost me there.

    You will notice in discussing immigration only one side is given the 'anti' prefix. If you are against further immigration you are anti-immigrant. But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix 'anti'.

    We are told that those who oppose mass immigration do so in part because they want to keep their proportion of the population and do not want to be diluted with other people. But aren't the other people who favor more of their kin as immigrants doing so to increase their proportion of the population at the expense of the existing peoples? And if so, why is it wrong in the former, but OK in the latter?

    But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix ‘anti’.

    The media pull this stunt this with every issue, not just immigration.

    There are lots of “right-wing” groups slithering across the land, but few if any “left-wing” ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.

    • Replies: @Corn
    “There are lots of “right-wing” groups slithering across the land, but few if any “left-wing” ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.”

    Someone pointed out years ago that the media will often describe a a far right or socially conservative politician as an “ultraconservative”.

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?
    , @Bigdicknick
    yeah, someone pointed out on twitter(i forget who) that groups like Patriot Prayer are called "far-right protestors" rather than "patriot prayer." Meanwhile, Antifa gets to name themselves and is called "Antifa" by the press instead of "animalistic communist terrorists" or whatever.

    So left wing groups get to name themselves and right wing groups do not.

  41. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Zach’s new genre of quantitative punditry makes do much sense one wonders why it hasn’t been done before.

    Zach’s new genre of quantitative punditry makes do much sense one wonders why it hasn’t been done before.

    What is “quantitative punditry”?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    It’s a term I coined to describe Zach’s Tablet columns.
  42. The open borders mania is also simple political self interest. Non-Whites will vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. Flood the US with enough of them and the US becomes, at least for a while, a one party political system. Democrats have seen this happen in places like California which once produced Reagan, and now is a state in which no Republican can win a state-wide election. With the open primary system the two candidates for an office in the general elections are Democrats.
    The demographic momentum means that the rest of the country is now on an irreversible course to becoming a single party system in less than a generation.
    The election of Trump has alarmed the Democrats by showing that there are still pockets of resistance, so the present open-borders mania is partly caused by a sense of urgency to accelerate the process.
    Of course borders will also complete the process of bankrupting the country and the one party system will not last and eventually fragment into factions competing for their share of the loot. The Demos seem to be willing to seize absolute power first and worry about those problems when they come to them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The open borders mania is also simple political self interest.
     
    You misunderstand. "Political self interest" is simply ethnic self interest.
    , @HammerJack
    Just as the two-party system will do everything it can to prevent the rise of a third party, so the one-party system in our immediate future will prevent any recurrence of a second.

    the moral mythologies of liberal Democrats...have become increasingly detached from practical realties.
     
    What I stated above is one of the few practical realities which actually concern them: the acquisition and consolidation of political power.

    We are now enjoying what may well be the final days of freedom this nation will enjoy for many decades, if not centuries. It will no longer be America, or at least it won't be anything worthy of the name.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    The demographic momentum means that the rest of the country is now on an irreversible course to becoming a single party system in less than a generation.
     
    No, it isn't. This kind of "We are Doomed(tm)" arises from some kind of deterministic fatalism. If this is nothing we can do except wallow in self pity, well, then we can just sit back and grouse.

    Trump's victory shows that things are not as bad as all you Eeyores claim.

    We will win. The open question is at what cost.
  43. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    I have to say it was very effective propaganda – I found myself wanting to be on the side of the “good guys” and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    What techniques did they use that you can you identify?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    That's a good question. I can't say for sure. It was very subtle, not like Soviet propaganda, but after listening to it I had no doubt which side was supposed to be the "good guys" and which side was the "bad guys". If I was a Martian and had no understanding of what it's like for a white kid to be in a majority black school then I would have left feeling that the Supreme Court ruling against cross district busing was a great injustice.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    What techniques did they use that you can you identify?
     
    Slanting a documentary is like shooting fish in a barrel since you literally control all of the substantive information presented, as well as the tone. You'd have to be incompetent not to push people in your favored direction.

    For example. You start by cherry-picking the facts and giving the pro-busing side in glowing tones. Some professor gets on camera and talks about his study of the evils of segregation and its damage to self-esteem. Some mother of a black child gets on camera to say how she just wanted her child to have the same opportunity as everyone else. Some earnest lawyer or activist gets on camera to talk about how hard their team worked for "justice."

    Hopeful, "march of progress" type music plays in the back. The narrator's voice goes into a slightly higher register and a quicker cadence, implying that these are the good people and right ideas moving forward for the betterment of all.

    Things are looking good. They've got a plan. It's almost about to happen but . . . the opposition appears. Some white people are standing in the way. They form a committee to block the progress. Cue B-roll footage of a handful of white people looking angry and holding signs, with indistinct angry mumbling sounds in the background. Anxious music plays.

    The narrator's voice drops an octave and slows down. Something feels ominous. He very briefly mentions their "side" of the issue. From the footage chosen, they mention parochial and selfish concerns about "their" neighborhoods and "their" kids. Not evil people, but clearly ignorant of the bigger picture and narrow-minded. We won't dwell on their concerns for long. We can see what they are about.

    And so it goes . . . Votes and court decisions happen. Some stuff changes but not nearly enough.

    In the ending restrospective scene, the good people reflect that they accomplished a lot, but the real opportunity for transformative change was thwarted. So close . . . and yet so far. If only people could put their prejudice and self-interest aside for the greater good . . . Oh well, I guess that's why we keep on fighting. Hopeful music swells, and the narrator recaps in a poignant tone.

    By now you know precisely who was "good" and who was "bad" and how you are supposed to feel about the issue in the future. "This documentary was so informative, you think."

  44. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    The open borders mania is also simple political self interest. Non-Whites will vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. Flood the US with enough of them and the US becomes, at least for a while, a one party political system. Democrats have seen this happen in places like California which once produced Reagan, and now is a state in which no Republican can win a state-wide election. With the open primary system the two candidates for an office in the general elections are Democrats.
    The demographic momentum means that the rest of the country is now on an irreversible course to becoming a single party system in less than a generation.
    The election of Trump has alarmed the Democrats by showing that there are still pockets of resistance, so the present open-borders mania is partly caused by a sense of urgency to accelerate the process.
    Of course borders will also complete the process of bankrupting the country and the one party system will not last and eventually fragment into factions competing for their share of the loot. The Demos seem to be willing to seize absolute power first and worry about those problems when they come to them.

    The open borders mania is also simple political self interest.

    You misunderstand. “Political self interest” is simply ethnic self interest.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    It seems the leftist push for open borders is mostly due to animosity against whites. Allowing millions of Latin Americans into the United States is not in the interests of African Americans. Yet Blacks oppose immigration restrictions and want to see whites become a minority , although open borders will reduce Blacks political power (one benefit to our quasi open border with Latin America has been a reduction in the political power of Blacks)

    While open borders may be in the ethnic self interest of Hispanics and Asians. The wealthy , elite Americans benefit economically by keeping our borders open. This is why nothing has been done to reduce immigration. The rich want more immigration, thus the GOP establishment seeks amnesty and increased immigration while the non-whites also seek amnesty and open borders to increase their power and reduce the political power of the deplorables.
  45. I think Democrats increasingly see all 7.5 billion Pre-American-Americans as a minority oppressed by the 95 million straight white male Americans.

    Yep. That about sums up their innumeracy. Not just of Democrats though. It represents the stupidity of the elites who run our world and tell us, via their mainstream media, academia and controlled government, what to think and say.

  46. @Alfa158
    The open borders mania is also simple political self interest. Non-Whites will vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. Flood the US with enough of them and the US becomes, at least for a while, a one party political system. Democrats have seen this happen in places like California which once produced Reagan, and now is a state in which no Republican can win a state-wide election. With the open primary system the two candidates for an office in the general elections are Democrats.
    The demographic momentum means that the rest of the country is now on an irreversible course to becoming a single party system in less than a generation.
    The election of Trump has alarmed the Democrats by showing that there are still pockets of resistance, so the present open-borders mania is partly caused by a sense of urgency to accelerate the process.
    Of course borders will also complete the process of bankrupting the country and the one party system will not last and eventually fragment into factions competing for their share of the loot. The Demos seem to be willing to seize absolute power first and worry about those problems when they come to them.

    Just as the two-party system will do everything it can to prevent the rise of a third party, so the one-party system in our immediate future will prevent any recurrence of a second.

    the moral mythologies of liberal Democrats…have become increasingly detached from practical realties.

    What I stated above is one of the few practical realities which actually concern them: the acquisition and consolidation of political power.

    We are now enjoying what may well be the final days of freedom this nation will enjoy for many decades, if not centuries. It will no longer be America, or at least it won’t be anything worthy of the name.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    The one party system is very durable and will crack when it has damaged the host enough to fracture the Party coalition, but that will take a long time. The PRI ruled Mexico for something like four decades until there was too much stress from a failing system not being able to pay everyone off as they expected. The Soviet Union fell apart after seven decades.
    Right now the coalition of the fringes is happy to feed off the dying the US, chortling over getting their share from The Man (meaning us). When everyone can’t get enough anymore, then things get feral and there will probably be all kinds of self-interested factions fighting it out in the wreckage.
  47. OT?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    That's White Women for you. The eternal and natural enemy of the beta White male.

    There is nothing they'd like more than turn America into Game of Thrones as they all figure they are the character Danish Teagarden. Or whatever.

    White Women figure they'll move up as the mistress of the new big shot rulers. For them most of Game of Thrones was a reassuring fantasy.

    Let's pray for War. Real decades long grinding war that puts women gays and non Whites in the useless box and elevates White men into ... needed. A few nuked cities is a small price to pay for a Mexidus.
    , @Nathan
    Funny how leftists can find all kinds of useful things when they need them- boxes of ballots, constitutional penumbras, incriminating hard drives.
  48. The extreme left is turning all of political and social dialogue into an exercise in moral ultimatums delivered by themselves. As the Gang of Four found out with Nancy Pelosi, this is a self-defeating strategy if you wish to participate in the deliberative assemblies in a democracy.

    Unlike the Sixties radical crowd and earlier left revolutionaries who wanted to bring down the system, these folks haven’t figured out that you can’t be a revolutionary and hold onto the reassuring safety blanket of the existing political structures and elected offices.

    Bolsheviks understood you had to go all the way and burn the system down before you could seize power and dictate terms.

  49. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B’s expense…and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A

    But, strangely, super-successful and clever Group J is never a problem.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  50. @Jack D
    This seems to be very common on the Left - the Overton Window gets pushed to the left constantly and last year's "radical" position becomes this year's minimum requirement for not being a Deplorable. We saw this with issues like gay marriage, which was once (not too long ago) opposed even by mainstream Democrat figures like Obama but very quickly became something that all right thinking people supported. If in 2019 you hold the exact same position on gay marriage that Obama held in 2009, this can only mean that you are some kind of Bible thumping yahoo Neanderthal. When the Dems pull this off successfully, it becomes not only the mandatory position for mainstream Democrat politicians but for EVERYONE, including mainstream Republicans.

    The Democrat primary season is prime time for Overton Window pushing as mainstream candidates are pulled toward the position of the most Leftist candidates in order to maintain their appeal with the Party activist base. So the most Leftist primary candidates will take up the $15/hr minimum wage or Medicare for all and pretty soon ALL the candidates have shifted toward the same position - no one wants to be labeled as the reactionary old fart who won't get with the program. That's where we are now with open borders.

    And of course, it's not just candidates - once Pravda (oops, I mean the NY Times) announces the Party Line then all good liberals have to get in line and even if they thought that open borders was insane a week ago, effective immediately this is the position of all right-thinking people and anyone who says otherwise gets his Goodwhite card confiscated and must be considered as belonging to the camp of the enemy.

    I wouldn’t lump raising the minimum wage with open borders. Raising the most minimum wage is both good and wildly popular. (It’s also completely incompatible with open borders.)

  51. Ethnic / Genetic Nepotism. That is all you need to know because it explains everything.

    The eternal 2%ers like Jews and Gays want to live in a plurality. Ethnic hacks want more of theirs. Whites want to maintain the majority. This is not complicated.

  52. @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel ‘bused’ should be spelled ‘bussed’ and ‘busing’ as ‘bussing’)

    • Replies: @Anonymous


    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it’s a bad thing.
     
    It would have led to greater White cohesion and solidarity. JackD probably doesn't like that.
    , @snorlax
    "Bust" and "busty."

    https://dynamicmedia.zuza.com/zz/m/original_/4/2/4260723b-8994-4e91-82ba-e9f96b955466/df0c6ba94b9fa7ce7873d85c1a4c_Gallery.jpg
    , @Jack D
    It sure as hell is, if your house is the one who has been blockbusted.

    People make fun of Russia, but the main goal of Goodwhites is to kill their neighbor's horse. If you desire to join the elite, there are two ways to increase your distance from the deplorable middle class whites who not so long ago lived a lifestyle not that inferior to yours. One is to increase your own wealth and perks and the other is to reduce that of your nearest competitors, the Badwhites.
    , @Johnny789
    Bus and buss are two different words. Although maybe we should start spelling in triplicate. Busssed and busssing. Really adds a zing, don't it?
    , @WowJustWow
    I like the single-s version so we can say “Used, bused, and abused.”
    , @PiltdownMan

    (Maybe its just me but I feel ‘bused’ should be spelled ‘bussed’ and ‘busing’ as ‘bussing’)
     
    Until 1970 or so, people were still undecided, though 'busing' was the more common spelling.


    https://i.imgur.com/rMdJZaj.jpg

    The blue line in the chart is 'busing'.

  53. @istevefan

    We’ve come a long way since the bigoted nativism of early 20th century anti-immigrant crusaders,
     
    The guy lost me there.

    You will notice in discussing immigration only one side is given the 'anti' prefix. If you are against further immigration you are anti-immigrant. But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix 'anti'.

    We are told that those who oppose mass immigration do so in part because they want to keep their proportion of the population and do not want to be diluted with other people. But aren't the other people who favor more of their kin as immigrants doing so to increase their proportion of the population at the expense of the existing peoples? And if so, why is it wrong in the former, but OK in the latter?

    Bc yt doubleplus ungood. You’re welcome.

  54. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel 'bused' should be spelled 'bussed' and 'busing' as 'bussing')

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    It would have led to greater White cohesion and solidarity. JackD probably doesn’t like that.

  55. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    The left hates winners – any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B’s expense…and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    I think part of this is correct, however, you need to scope it down to Europeans. The left has a problem with Whites. When non-White groups outperform others, it is usually not a problem for them, else they’d be interested in the Asian-White gap and other related issues. I don’t think they have even contemplated the Asian-black gap. So it appears they are only upset when Whites outperform others.

  56. “Three years into the Trump administration, some of the radicalization on the left is undoubtedly responding to the reports of deportations, squalid conditions in detention facilities and the increasing normalization of nativist rhetoric from the White House.”

    That is not motivating the Democratic Party. To suggest otherwise is the peddling of propaganda.

    For example, the Democrats have no problem with Israel’s ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian people. In fact, they help finance it with billions of dollars every year in foreign aid.

    The Democrats are engaged in what for years has been called “the search for a substitute proletariat.” That is, many working-class white people have given up on the Democrats and have been voting Republican even if Republicans also do not offer them much help.

    The Democrats are looking to the third world and cheap labor for future voters.

  57. @Lurker

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel 'bused' should be spelled 'bussed' and 'busing' as 'bussing')

    “Bust” and “busty.”

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I have to leave now, I've got a bust to catch.
  58. Modern Americans pretty much define “success” in any endeavor as out-signalling the rest of the field. Ergo, any new fad or fashion is rapidly pushed to irrational extremes that nobody in their right mind ever desired. This is especially bad in the corporate world.

    I consider this to be classic “beta” behavior: mindless conformity and desperately overcompensated confessions of inadequacy. This culture’s relentless push towards material attainment has convinced every mediocre Bob and Megan Ridingmower that they need to go for broke in the pursuit of fame, money, and status purchases.

    This has resulted in a sort of spiritual acidosis akin to the physical acidosis that cattle experience when fed exclusively on grains. They weren’t designed for such a diet and their bodies rebel accordingly; but ranchers, instead of taking this cue from nature, simply bite the bullet and consider this diseased state to be a normal phase of bovine maturation. Teenage alienation, midlife crises, and broken families are all symptoms of our spiritual acidosis that we wrongly consider normal.

    It’s kind of sickening to watch this process play out on the national political stage. We field candidates for public office who are the cultural equivalent of lip-disked, neck-stretched, scarified savages—warped and twisted specimens of humanity mauled by their service to a false god.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Modern Americans pretty much define “success” in any endeavor as out-signalling the rest of the field. Ergo, any new fad or fashion is rapidly pushed to irrational extremes that nobody in their right mind ever desired. This is especially bad in the corporate world.
     
    Too right. Tuberculosis is a horrible disease that used to kill millions of people per year until the second half of the last century and which was pretty much eradicated in the developed world, and then made a comeback in the era of AIDS, because of lowered resistance in the immunocompromised.

    To combat the spread of TB many employers in the US have made it mandatory for all employees to have a PPD (Purified Protein Derivative) test prior to employment and every year. Employees who do not get their annual test on time are automatically suspended without pay and unable to work. Which is pretty draconian, but understandable since it is a matter of life or death.

    That is the way it was until very recently, when it was announced that there is a worldwide shortage of PPD solution, and that henceforth only those deemed to be at high risk for TB, or reporting symptoms suggestive of TB need to be tested.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6824a4.htm

    So suddenly we go from tens of thousands of people tested every day, to almost nobody tested at all, so you have to wonder why the hell everybody was being tested in the first place if it was not really essential, not really a matter of life and death.

    And why the hell there is suddenly a world wide shortage of this essential product that saves millions of lives? Or does it? And is this likely to lead to an increase in bovine TB, which can be transmitted to humans, and for which milk has to be tested?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3103864/

    The next thing you know the US will be declaring an amnesty with Iran due to worldwide shortage of amphetamines for troops.

  59. Three years into the Trump administration, some of the radicalization on the left is undoubtedly responding to the reports of deportations, squalid conditions in detention facilities and the increasing normalization of nativist rhetoric from the White House.

    He had to cuck and bow to the essential correctness of the liberal worldview before delivering a modest critique. Convenience or conviction?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Only to keep the neocons (and their voting block) from further sabotaging the 2020 election. Think about how many decided to vote for Hillary in 2016.
  60. It’s always funny to see a Jew accuse others of ‘bigoted nativism’. Jews, of course, are exceedingly generous in inviting disparate peoples into someone else’s homeland. When it comes to Israel, however….

  61. @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    I particularly like the dissenting opinion in that case from Thurgood Marshall:

    School district lines, however innocently drawn, will surely be perceived as fences to separate the races when, under a Detroit-only decree, white parents [will] withdraw their children from the Detroit city schools and move to the suburbs in order to continue them in all-white schools

    We all know the absolute horror of white people being allowed to make decisions on where to educate their kids, and how the United Statea was founded precisely for the purpose of not allowing white parents to choose where and how to educate their children.

    “We the People, in order to form a more perfect union, and in order to prevent white parents from choosing how and where to raise and educate their children, and to ensure the blessings of liberty for the posterity of others but not our own, yadda yadda yadda.”

    While I don’t at all agree with de jure segregation, it’s kind of revealing that one of the primary goals of government-imposed integration is to make it so that black people don’t have to live amongst their own. It’s only common sense that blacks should have the same access to jobs, government services, etc. as anyone else. But if black people having to live in neighborhoods or attend schools with other blacks is considered punishment, then it tells you that the Left (and blacks themselves) don’t really look too kindly on the African race.

    In retrospect it may have been better if conservatives had lost that Supreme Court case. Instead of the (relatively) slow decline of Detroit and the nation’s auto industry it may have all happened in one swell foop, and the extremism of “progressives” would have been more obvious to all.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think the best thing would be residence permits, like they have in China. Are you a deplorable? No permit to live in the suburbs for you. You have to stay in Detroit so that your kids are forced to attend Detroit schools. It wouldn't have required too many leaps from Marshall's opinion. No right of withdrawal for you, you white racist! In the end, all Communist regimes end up as giant prisons because they are not based upon consent of the governed.
    , @Jack D
    The decision would not have applied just to Detroit. NY, Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, etc. - their suburbs would have been toast also. The metropolitan area of every city in the country with a large inner city black population would have been decimated.
    , @Jesse
    This is why conservatives should be against school vouchers. It destroys any ability of white parents to control who gets into their kids' schools.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    Nah, homeschooling would have ended up being converted into a serious alternative education system and credentialing pipeline rather than what actually happened with it (reinforcing the status quo so well that liberals are rushing to take it over).
  62. @Lurker

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel 'bused' should be spelled 'bussed' and 'busing' as 'bussing')

    It sure as hell is, if your house is the one who has been blockbusted.

    People make fun of Russia, but the main goal of Goodwhites is to kill their neighbor’s horse. If you desire to join the elite, there are two ways to increase your distance from the deplorable middle class whites who not so long ago lived a lifestyle not that inferior to yours. One is to increase your own wealth and perks and the other is to reduce that of your nearest competitors, the Badwhites.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I hoped the ironic nature of my original response was obvious.
  63. @Reg Cæsar

    But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix ‘anti’.
     
    The media pull this stunt this with every issue, not just immigration.

    There are lots of "right-wing" groups slithering across the land, but few if any "left-wing" ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.

    “There are lots of “right-wing” groups slithering across the land, but few if any “left-wing” ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.”

    Someone pointed out years ago that the media will often describe a a far right or socially conservative politician as an “ultraconservative”.

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?
     
    It's been ages since anyone on the Left was actually liberal, if ever.

    And "ultraprogressive" is redundant.
    , @Paul
    "But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?"


    I think Republicans should get in the habit of calling ultraliberal Democrats "ultraliberals." Such Democrats prefer being called "progressives." After all, who can be against progress?
    , @Jack D
    Anyone Republican to the right of Susan Collins is "extreme right". Any Democrat to the right of Pol Pot is "a liberal voice".
    , @Bill Jones
    Guardian search
    "far left" 6,700 results
    "far right" 44,000 results.
  64. However, the Republicans don’t have the balls to do what is needed:

    Republicans still don’t know how to talk about race, identity and nation. Which is a problem, because, as an article in Axios recently bragged, “The single biggest threat to Republicans’ long-term viability is demographics”. [The GOP’s demographic decay, by Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen, July 18, 2019]

    The repeating pattern: a Republican 1) says something 2) is accused of racial insensitivity 3) immediately grovels and offers concessions. The mostly white Republican base gets demoralized, the Cultural Marxist Left is emboldened, and the Overton Window shifts in the wrong direction.

    In a desperate move, Republicans have lately been even trying to use support for Israel as a kind of proxy for white America—a strategy unlikely to work because Jewish organizations never reciprocate.

    The solution is simple. But it requires a modicum of courage—one person with influence explicitly defending the right of Americans as Americans to defend their interests. …

    http://www.unz.com/article/say-it-gop-or-just-give-it-up-open-borders-is-treason-the-left-is-anti-white/

  65. @Lurker

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel 'bused' should be spelled 'bussed' and 'busing' as 'bussing')

    Bus and buss are two different words. Although maybe we should start spelling in triplicate. Busssed and busssing. Really adds a zing, don’t it?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Although maybe we should start spelling in triplicate. Busssed and busssing. Really adds a zing, don’t it?
     
    Too ssssssssibilant.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    Buss is either archaic or slang. 'Busing' violates the principle of simplicity in pronunciation and precision in meaning. The two consonants are needed to remove the ambiguity of pronouncing the 'u' and busing should be a gerund or present participle of buse, not bus.

    This is the kind of nonsense that makes English a needlessly difficult language.
  66. @Wilkey
    I particularly like the dissenting opinion in that case from Thurgood Marshall:

    School district lines, however innocently drawn, will surely be perceived as fences to separate the races when, under a Detroit-only decree, white parents [will] withdraw their children from the Detroit city schools and move to the suburbs in order to continue them in all-white schools
     
    We all know the absolute horror of white people being allowed to make decisions on where to educate their kids, and how the United Statea was founded precisely for the purpose of not allowing white parents to choose where and how to educate their children.

    "We the People, in order to form a more perfect union, and in order to prevent white parents from choosing how and where to raise and educate their children, and to ensure the blessings of liberty for the posterity of others but not our own, yadda yadda yadda."

    While I don't at all agree with de jure segregation, it's kind of revealing that one of the primary goals of government-imposed integration is to make it so that black people don't have to live amongst their own. It's only common sense that blacks should have the same access to jobs, government services, etc. as anyone else. But if black people having to live in neighborhoods or attend schools with other blacks is considered punishment, then it tells you that the Left (and blacks themselves) don't really look too kindly on the African race.

    In retrospect it may have been better if conservatives had lost that Supreme Court case. Instead of the (relatively) slow decline of Detroit and the nation's auto industry it may have all happened in one swell foop, and the extremism of "progressives" would have been more obvious to all.

    I think the best thing would be residence permits, like they have in China. Are you a deplorable? No permit to live in the suburbs for you. You have to stay in Detroit so that your kids are forced to attend Detroit schools. It wouldn’t have required too many leaps from Marshall’s opinion. No right of withdrawal for you, you white racist! In the end, all Communist regimes end up as giant prisons because they are not based upon consent of the governed.

    • Replies: @Wilkey

    In the end, all Communist regimes end up as giant prisons because they are not based upon consent of the governed.
     
    That's what people fail to understand about the evils of communism. If the government controls every industry, and removes economic incentives from the calculation of where you choose to work, who ultimately makes the decision of where you live and what you do for a living? Government bureaucrats, that's who. And how do you criticize what the apparatchiks are up to if every radio station, television station, movie studio, printing press, and newspaper is owned by the government?

    These are the problems with communism that should have been obvious within minutes of discussing a communist form of government. The fact that communists were never bothered by them - despite the fact that so many of them worked in media - should tell you how evil they truly were.
  67. In other news, USA Today is reporting that a boat of Africans attempting to invade Europe (woops, I mean refugees) has sunk off the coast of Libya, killing about 150. This time, in a refreshing development, the surviving invaders…woops, I mean migrants…were returned to Libya. According to USA Today many of the invaders were women and children. Photos accompanying the article show about 50-60 of the 147 surviving invaders, not a single one of whom is a woman or child.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Maybe the women and children mostly drowned. At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV - you have to feel sorry for her) and blamed the UN authorities for not giving her legal refuge so that she was forced to use the smugglers instead.

    I really don't know what combination of economic and political desperation vs. desire to live the easy life in the West really drives these folks but when you have 2 bodies of water at vastly different levels there is going to tremendous pressure on any dam that you erect to separate them. It's hard to say that the West did a great job with colonialism the last time we tried it (some places such as Congo were worse than other (British ruled) places) and it's deeply unfashionable (and hard to implement on a self-funding basis) but the idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it's going to spill over to the West one way or another. The cost of the necessary military garrisons or whatever will pale compared to the cost of having the West overrun by barbarians who will in the end destroy Western civilization.
  68. @Wilkey
    I particularly like the dissenting opinion in that case from Thurgood Marshall:

    School district lines, however innocently drawn, will surely be perceived as fences to separate the races when, under a Detroit-only decree, white parents [will] withdraw their children from the Detroit city schools and move to the suburbs in order to continue them in all-white schools
     
    We all know the absolute horror of white people being allowed to make decisions on where to educate their kids, and how the United Statea was founded precisely for the purpose of not allowing white parents to choose where and how to educate their children.

    "We the People, in order to form a more perfect union, and in order to prevent white parents from choosing how and where to raise and educate their children, and to ensure the blessings of liberty for the posterity of others but not our own, yadda yadda yadda."

    While I don't at all agree with de jure segregation, it's kind of revealing that one of the primary goals of government-imposed integration is to make it so that black people don't have to live amongst their own. It's only common sense that blacks should have the same access to jobs, government services, etc. as anyone else. But if black people having to live in neighborhoods or attend schools with other blacks is considered punishment, then it tells you that the Left (and blacks themselves) don't really look too kindly on the African race.

    In retrospect it may have been better if conservatives had lost that Supreme Court case. Instead of the (relatively) slow decline of Detroit and the nation's auto industry it may have all happened in one swell foop, and the extremism of "progressives" would have been more obvious to all.

    The decision would not have applied just to Detroit. NY, Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, etc. – their suburbs would have been toast also. The metropolitan area of every city in the country with a large inner city black population would have been decimated.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    But that's exactly my point. That's why the fanaticism of such a ruling would have been so obvious so immediately. This decision was handed down two years before the election of Jimmy Carter. Carter won every Southern state except Virginia. If busing decrees had been even more extreme than they were would Carter have still won the South? The South only managed to survive at all because whites were able to flee across district boundaries into schools without busing. If they hadn't had that option (thanks to Dem appointed SC justices) it's possible Carter would not have won, a conservative (i.e., Reagan) would have won the GOP nomination instead of Ford, and Reagan would have been elected four years sooner.
  69. @Jack D
    I think the best thing would be residence permits, like they have in China. Are you a deplorable? No permit to live in the suburbs for you. You have to stay in Detroit so that your kids are forced to attend Detroit schools. It wouldn't have required too many leaps from Marshall's opinion. No right of withdrawal for you, you white racist! In the end, all Communist regimes end up as giant prisons because they are not based upon consent of the governed.

    In the end, all Communist regimes end up as giant prisons because they are not based upon consent of the governed.

    That’s what people fail to understand about the evils of communism. If the government controls every industry, and removes economic incentives from the calculation of where you choose to work, who ultimately makes the decision of where you live and what you do for a living? Government bureaucrats, that’s who. And how do you criticize what the apparatchiks are up to if every radio station, television station, movie studio, printing press, and newspaper is owned by the government?

    These are the problems with communism that should have been obvious within minutes of discussing a communist form of government. The fact that communists were never bothered by them – despite the fact that so many of them worked in media – should tell you how evil they truly were.

  70. @Wilkey
    In other news, USA Today is reporting that a boat of Africans attempting to invade Europe (woops, I mean refugees) has sunk off the coast of Libya, killing about 150. This time, in a refreshing development, the surviving invaders...woops, I mean migrants...were returned to Libya. According to USA Today many of the invaders were women and children. Photos accompanying the article show about 50-60 of the 147 surviving invaders, not a single one of whom is a woman or child.

    Maybe the women and children mostly drowned. At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV – you have to feel sorry for her) and blamed the UN authorities for not giving her legal refuge so that she was forced to use the smugglers instead.

    I really don’t know what combination of economic and political desperation vs. desire to live the easy life in the West really drives these folks but when you have 2 bodies of water at vastly different levels there is going to tremendous pressure on any dam that you erect to separate them. It’s hard to say that the West did a great job with colonialism the last time we tried it (some places such as Congo were worse than other (British ruled) places) and it’s deeply unfashionable (and hard to implement on a self-funding basis) but the idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it’s going to spill over to the West one way or another. The cost of the necessary military garrisons or whatever will pale compared to the cost of having the West overrun by barbarians who will in the end destroy Western civilization.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @peterike

    At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV – you have to feel sorry for her)

     

    I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for her. I'm only sorry she didn't drown along with the rest of them.
    , @Wilkey

    I really don’t know what combination of economic and political desperation vs. desire to live the easy life in the West really drives these folks but when you have 2 bodies of water at vastly different levels there is going to tremendous pressure on any dam that you erect to separate them.
     
    The desire for them to live a better life is perfectly understandable. Any normal, compassionate human being would find it impossible not to understand and empathize with that.

    But they aren't remotely akin to a force of nature, like an earthquake or hurricane. Holding back Third World migrants is in no way similar to holding back the ocean. Defending a national border is a problem long understood and easily accomplished. It requires nothing more than political will, and relatively minor investments in infrastructure and manpower, especially as compared to the costs of not defending them.

    And whether their desperation is genuine or whether their desire is simply to live the easy life, the fact is that when they move to our countries they, on average, become economic liabilities. The only way for them to solve their problems is for them to stay in their own countries and become economic assets for themselves, their families and their countries. That will never happen if they are allowed to move to the West.

    The gap in economic productivity between white citizens or immigrants and Third World immigrants is absolutely immense. There was one study in Britain comparing migrants from various countries. Those coming from places like New Zealand and Lithuania (iirc) had employment rates (80%+) that were literally twice as high as those from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Somalia (30-40%). The difference isn't minute or marginal. It is the difference between maintaining a healthy, prosperous, functioning society and sliding off into an economic and political abyss.
    , @AnotherDad
    The onus of these disasters is completely--*completely*--on the "nation of immigrants" people who promote the invasion of the West.

    Without them this is a complete non-issues--as it was historically--because they aren't allowed in, so do not come.

    ~~~

    idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it’s going to spill over to the West one way or another.
     
    It's not crazy in some sort of abstract sense, but it's crazy in reality. This would be "racist", and "neo-colonialism". And really people want to run their own nations not have some foreign people of some other race/color/creed/tribe bossing them around.

    Furthermore, "it" is not "going to spill over to the West" at all ... except for the "nation of immigrants" assholes allowing it. This is the greatest mismatch of defender over invaders in all of human history ... it's just these assholes who are not just blocking the defenders from defending but actively aiding the invaders.
  71. @Jack D
    The decision would not have applied just to Detroit. NY, Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, etc. - their suburbs would have been toast also. The metropolitan area of every city in the country with a large inner city black population would have been decimated.

    But that’s exactly my point. That’s why the fanaticism of such a ruling would have been so obvious so immediately. This decision was handed down two years before the election of Jimmy Carter. Carter won every Southern state except Virginia. If busing decrees had been even more extreme than they were would Carter have still won the South? The South only managed to survive at all because whites were able to flee across district boundaries into schools without busing. If they hadn’t had that option (thanks to Dem appointed SC justices) it’s possible Carter would not have won, a conservative (i.e., Reagan) would have won the GOP nomination instead of Ford, and Reagan would have been elected four years sooner.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    But Carter had a pretty socially conservative record as governor of Georgia, including supporting legislation that suspending busing in Atlanta. There are reasons why he won in the South. All you need to change the result in 1976 is Ford picking Rocky as his VP. That probably would have flipped NY to him and given the GOP the election.

    (One reason I love the electoral map of 1976 is that it shows how brittle assumed political realities can be. The Democrats won Texas and the South, the GOP won California and nearly took NY. Until Trump won the Rust Belt, people took the word of hacks like Karl Rove for it.)

    Far more interesting is if Watergate never happens in the first place, IMO. Liberal orthodox historiography has often assumed a huge shift in the public consciousness in the mid-70s toward their direction that Reagan hijacked when there really was no such shift in the first place-Watergate discredited Nixon personally, it did not change much in the bigger picture in terms of the overall right-wing turn in America, which had deeper root causes. Without the courts and the media intervening, they'd have to confront directly why their favored candidate lost 49 states to the Antichrist of Yorba Linda earlier.

  72. @Jack D
    Maybe the women and children mostly drowned. At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV - you have to feel sorry for her) and blamed the UN authorities for not giving her legal refuge so that she was forced to use the smugglers instead.

    I really don't know what combination of economic and political desperation vs. desire to live the easy life in the West really drives these folks but when you have 2 bodies of water at vastly different levels there is going to tremendous pressure on any dam that you erect to separate them. It's hard to say that the West did a great job with colonialism the last time we tried it (some places such as Congo were worse than other (British ruled) places) and it's deeply unfashionable (and hard to implement on a self-funding basis) but the idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it's going to spill over to the West one way or another. The cost of the necessary military garrisons or whatever will pale compared to the cost of having the West overrun by barbarians who will in the end destroy Western civilization.

    At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV – you have to feel sorry for her)

    I don’t feel the slightest bit sorry for her. I’m only sorry she didn’t drown along with the rest of them.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is wrong. Any human has to feel sorry for a grieving mother who has just lost her child (even if she is partly to blame).

    The problem is that you have to separate your emotions from your rational mind and base policy only on the latter. Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this - all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over. You can't base policy on iconic photos but this is exactly how we have been forming policy in the last 50 years and it's a ridiculous way to do it.

    But to say that you don't feel sorry for these people - that's cold. They're human. Doesn't mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.
    , @Alden
    She probably threw the kid overboard hoping to save herself. No sympathy.
  73. @Wilkey
    I particularly like the dissenting opinion in that case from Thurgood Marshall:

    School district lines, however innocently drawn, will surely be perceived as fences to separate the races when, under a Detroit-only decree, white parents [will] withdraw their children from the Detroit city schools and move to the suburbs in order to continue them in all-white schools
     
    We all know the absolute horror of white people being allowed to make decisions on where to educate their kids, and how the United Statea was founded precisely for the purpose of not allowing white parents to choose where and how to educate their children.

    "We the People, in order to form a more perfect union, and in order to prevent white parents from choosing how and where to raise and educate their children, and to ensure the blessings of liberty for the posterity of others but not our own, yadda yadda yadda."

    While I don't at all agree with de jure segregation, it's kind of revealing that one of the primary goals of government-imposed integration is to make it so that black people don't have to live amongst their own. It's only common sense that blacks should have the same access to jobs, government services, etc. as anyone else. But if black people having to live in neighborhoods or attend schools with other blacks is considered punishment, then it tells you that the Left (and blacks themselves) don't really look too kindly on the African race.

    In retrospect it may have been better if conservatives had lost that Supreme Court case. Instead of the (relatively) slow decline of Detroit and the nation's auto industry it may have all happened in one swell foop, and the extremism of "progressives" would have been more obvious to all.

    This is why conservatives should be against school vouchers. It destroys any ability of white parents to control who gets into their kids’ schools.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Totally agree. It’s just an excuse to bus blacks and browns into White schools.
  74. @Arclight
    The left hates winners - any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B's expense...and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.

    So despite there being many cultures outside of the US that have existed for thousands of years but are still economic and cultural laggards, it's white Americans' fault - if not directly, then by association because of their ancestors. The only answer is for us to lay down and let others take our stuff.

    I had this conversation a few years back with a person of Pakistani ancestry, who claimed European colonialism was the reason his homeland was such a screwed up backwards mess. I asked what happened there in the 5,000 years before Europeans discovered it, and he had no answer for that.

    “The left hates winners – any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect, and they go looking for explanations for how success for group A came at Group B’s expense…and that Group B was likely just as smart, talented, vibrant, (probably more so) but had the misfortune of running into the fiendishly clever Group A.”

    Really? Could have fooled me. With a few notable exceptions (e. g. The Clitless Bulbhead), I just haven’t see much on the “left” in the way of subjecting (((Fiendishly Clever Group A))) to an inquisition.

  75. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    White saviorism was the original psychological impulse behind colonialism, which believed in going in and running foreign countries for their betterment and hoping to make third worlders more productive and less poor, ignorant, illiterate, diseased, and starving. The goal of white saviorism was to make blacks and browns as good as whites.

    White saviorism mixed in with the social gospel was the whole impulse behind the foreign missionary movement in the 1800s and 1900s, and a lot of foreign missionaries meddled with the internal politics and the operations of foreign governments. They received funding from US churches, foundations, and even the US government to do it. If you dig deeply into their history, you’ll find this. Who helped finance the original Chinese Revolution that overthrew imperial Chinese society in the 1910s? White missionaries societies and US-based donors to to missionaries, plus US foundation and government money.

    The white missionaries were as cunning and underhanded in their own way as the bolsheviks were in Russia, and white missionaries ultimately unleashed as much blood-letting in China as the bolsheviks did in Russia by trying to pit one segment of Chinese society against an older, traditional one in the name of ‘uplift.’ They really hated the idea of, ‘letting Russia or China modernize themselves in their own good time,’ which likely would have been a lot less violent and bloody.

    White saviorism brought us the American Civil War in the 1860s. ‘We must free the blacks if we have to die to do it!’ was the rallying call of the white saviors. Never mind that the coming of mechanized agriculture in the 1870s would have done away with slavery and made owning slaves too much of a financial burden. Horse-drawn harvesters, sowers, and reapers were a lot cheaper than keeping a huge labor force on hand at all times, including when you don’t need them. Modern mechanized agriculture gets along fine without slavery, and farms just hire part-time help when they need extra hands. This makes the most economic sense in a modern society.

    Slavery would have ended without white northern and white southern families seeing those 800,000 casualties pile up, or without having to deal with the grief of their kin being maimed and slaughtered. The south was impoverished for generations by the destruction of both physical property and capital because of the Civil War, and the economic burden of paying for the war weighed on the north for another generation. How many white northern men would have been financially better off just getting on with their lives, learning their professions and becoming established in their jobs in the first half of the 1860s?

    ALL OF THEM.

    How many white northerners would have been better off without spending the rest of their lives missing an arm, or blind, or stumping around on a crutch and one leg because of their fanatical white saviorism?

    ALL OF THEM.

    The Civil War was stupid. White northern soldiers were no different from the bolsheviks in the shear amount of destruction they unleashed on southern society, their victims, AND THEMSELVES in the name of ideology, and to this day, they’re completely blind to this.

    The psychological impulse behind white saviorism is why liberal whites are obsessed with importing the third world to western countries so they can be uplifted by magic whites (they just want to do it at home instead of having to bother with going abroad where they have to endure third world living conditions-no outdoor toilets for them!).

    White saviorism is why whites keep letting black criminals off with a slap of the wrist, which is utterly destructive to civil society, and which makes our cities unbearable for the average person who just wants to be able to walk the streets safely, use the subway safely, and live in cheap housing without having to worry if they’re going to be attacked and robbed by their neighbors.

    White saviorism, in all its forms, has been a plague on mankind. It’s a legacy we inherited from Puritan ideology, and it’s been causing trouble for US and the rest of the planet ever since. The first outbreak of fanatical white saviorism was the Salem Witch Trials, and it’s been all downhill and ever more bloody from there.

  76. Denocracy dies in darkness
    A rare good professor who followed the brilliant Alan Sokal in getting spoof papers published has been unpersonned and offered re-education.
    Okay, who explained the joke to the administrators? You know they didn’t figure it out on their own.
    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/07/26/portland-state-punishes-professor-behind-academic-journal-hoax-papers/

    According to a report by Campus Reform, Portland State University announced last week that Professor Peter Boghossian will not be permitted to conduct university-sponsored research as a punishment for his participation in a hoax campaign that was designed to reveal leftist bias in academia.
    Breitbart News reported on Boghossian’s efforts to dupe leftist academic journals last year. Working with two other scholars, James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose, Boghossian wrote and submitted a series of preposterous academic papers. One paper focused on “rape culture” between dogs at the park and another paper was a re-written section of Mein Kampf featuring, in this version, vitriol against men. These papers were both accepted for publication by a team of peer-reviewers.

  77. Is part of the problem the masses of single women who seek someone to nurture,as their wombs are either barren or left fallow. Now they can scream about the brown sludge and how they suffer.
    Look at these two Sirens of the Sludgocalypse,AOC and Kamala,screeching about the brown children.

  78. @Wilkey
    But that's exactly my point. That's why the fanaticism of such a ruling would have been so obvious so immediately. This decision was handed down two years before the election of Jimmy Carter. Carter won every Southern state except Virginia. If busing decrees had been even more extreme than they were would Carter have still won the South? The South only managed to survive at all because whites were able to flee across district boundaries into schools without busing. If they hadn't had that option (thanks to Dem appointed SC justices) it's possible Carter would not have won, a conservative (i.e., Reagan) would have won the GOP nomination instead of Ford, and Reagan would have been elected four years sooner.

    But Carter had a pretty socially conservative record as governor of Georgia, including supporting legislation that suspending busing in Atlanta. There are reasons why he won in the South. All you need to change the result in 1976 is Ford picking Rocky as his VP. That probably would have flipped NY to him and given the GOP the election.

    (One reason I love the electoral map of 1976 is that it shows how brittle assumed political realities can be. The Democrats won Texas and the South, the GOP won California and nearly took NY. Until Trump won the Rust Belt, people took the word of hacks like Karl Rove for it.)

    Far more interesting is if Watergate never happens in the first place, IMO. Liberal orthodox historiography has often assumed a huge shift in the public consciousness in the mid-70s toward their direction that Reagan hijacked when there really was no such shift in the first place-Watergate discredited Nixon personally, it did not change much in the bigger picture in terms of the overall right-wing turn in America, which had deeper root causes. Without the courts and the media intervening, they’d have to confront directly why their favored candidate lost 49 states to the Antichrist of Yorba Linda earlier.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Reagan would have won the nomination if Ford had stuck with Rocky. A better "Ford wins" what if is no Nixon pardon.
  79. @nebulafox
    But Carter had a pretty socially conservative record as governor of Georgia, including supporting legislation that suspending busing in Atlanta. There are reasons why he won in the South. All you need to change the result in 1976 is Ford picking Rocky as his VP. That probably would have flipped NY to him and given the GOP the election.

    (One reason I love the electoral map of 1976 is that it shows how brittle assumed political realities can be. The Democrats won Texas and the South, the GOP won California and nearly took NY. Until Trump won the Rust Belt, people took the word of hacks like Karl Rove for it.)

    Far more interesting is if Watergate never happens in the first place, IMO. Liberal orthodox historiography has often assumed a huge shift in the public consciousness in the mid-70s toward their direction that Reagan hijacked when there really was no such shift in the first place-Watergate discredited Nixon personally, it did not change much in the bigger picture in terms of the overall right-wing turn in America, which had deeper root causes. Without the courts and the media intervening, they'd have to confront directly why their favored candidate lost 49 states to the Antichrist of Yorba Linda earlier.

    Reagan would have won the nomination if Ford had stuck with Rocky. A better “Ford wins” what if is no Nixon pardon.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >Reagan would have won the nomination if Ford had stuck with Rocky.

    Fair point, but in that case, would Reagan have won the election? Again: Ford came really close, and he was deeply associated with Nixon (Watergate was the real reason why the Democrats had a chance in 1976 at all) in a way Reagan wasn't.

    >A better “Ford wins” what if is no Nixon pardon.

    Probably would have been worse for the GOP in 1976, as a Nixon trial would have dragged out all of official Washington's dirty laundry (especially in the NatSec sector which Reagan so successfully rehabilitated), and the GOP would be the ones caught by the worst of the initial impact. It's the same impetus that gave Carter the dark horse power he had in the DNC race.

    Ford didn't even want to be President anyway until he became President. Nor did Nixon want him as VP. Since Agnew was going down regardless of Watergate, Nixon'd probably try to push John Connally, but he had a lot of skeletons in the closet and was a turncoat Democrat, so Reagan might find himself ascendant anyway.

  80. @Jack D
    Maybe the women and children mostly drowned. At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV - you have to feel sorry for her) and blamed the UN authorities for not giving her legal refuge so that she was forced to use the smugglers instead.

    I really don't know what combination of economic and political desperation vs. desire to live the easy life in the West really drives these folks but when you have 2 bodies of water at vastly different levels there is going to tremendous pressure on any dam that you erect to separate them. It's hard to say that the West did a great job with colonialism the last time we tried it (some places such as Congo were worse than other (British ruled) places) and it's deeply unfashionable (and hard to implement on a self-funding basis) but the idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it's going to spill over to the West one way or another. The cost of the necessary military garrisons or whatever will pale compared to the cost of having the West overrun by barbarians who will in the end destroy Western civilization.

    I really don’t know what combination of economic and political desperation vs. desire to live the easy life in the West really drives these folks but when you have 2 bodies of water at vastly different levels there is going to tremendous pressure on any dam that you erect to separate them.

    The desire for them to live a better life is perfectly understandable. Any normal, compassionate human being would find it impossible not to understand and empathize with that.

    But they aren’t remotely akin to a force of nature, like an earthquake or hurricane. Holding back Third World migrants is in no way similar to holding back the ocean. Defending a national border is a problem long understood and easily accomplished. It requires nothing more than political will, and relatively minor investments in infrastructure and manpower, especially as compared to the costs of not defending them.

    And whether their desperation is genuine or whether their desire is simply to live the easy life, the fact is that when they move to our countries they, on average, become economic liabilities. The only way for them to solve their problems is for them to stay in their own countries and become economic assets for themselves, their families and their countries. That will never happen if they are allowed to move to the West.

    The gap in economic productivity between white citizens or immigrants and Third World immigrants is absolutely immense. There was one study in Britain comparing migrants from various countries. Those coming from places like New Zealand and Lithuania (iirc) had employment rates (80%+) that were literally twice as high as those from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Somalia (30-40%). The difference isn’t minute or marginal. It is the difference between maintaining a healthy, prosperous, functioning society and sliding off into an economic and political abyss.

  81. @Reg Cæsar

    But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix ‘anti’.
     
    The media pull this stunt this with every issue, not just immigration.

    There are lots of "right-wing" groups slithering across the land, but few if any "left-wing" ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.

    yeah, someone pointed out on twitter(i forget who) that groups like Patriot Prayer are called “far-right protestors” rather than “patriot prayer.” Meanwhile, Antifa gets to name themselves and is called “Antifa” by the press instead of “animalistic communist terrorists” or whatever.

    So left wing groups get to name themselves and right wing groups do not.

  82. @Romanian

    Three years into the Trump administration, some of the radicalization on the left is undoubtedly responding to the reports of deportations, squalid conditions in detention facilities and the increasing normalization of nativist rhetoric from the White House.
     
    He had to cuck and bow to the essential correctness of the liberal worldview before delivering a modest critique. Convenience or conviction?

    Only to keep the neocons (and their voting block) from further sabotaging the 2020 election. Think about how many decided to vote for Hillary in 2016.

  83. OT-ish! From the ongoing Annals of Troublesome Asians, Canadian Division.

    Obstetrician secretly induces labor in his patients so he can charge more. Yes, Dr. Paul Shuen graced Canada with his holy immigrant presence, and then, well, some very typical Asian stuff happened.

    https://torontolife.com/city/greed-betrayal-medical-misconduct-north-york-general/

    • Replies: @anon
    Three days later, Shuen emailed Brown. “I have done a great deal of soul-searching since Thursday and can now see the seriousness of my mistakes,” he wrote. “So I write in a spirit of sincere remorse and full responsibility for what I have done. You were right to warn me before, and I do not blame you for calling the disciplinary hearing, which I deserved. I have no desire or intention to fight the hospital’s ruling.” He asked for six months to care for his current load of patients, promising to stop taking on new ones and to retire when the period was up. “If you sense that there might be such a possibility, for the sake of my patients and maybe in recognition of the good I have done over the years in spite of my mistakes, please let me know how I might proceed.”

    I can practically hear the Chinese accent - or that Andrew Yangish Chinese way of talking - in the bolded words. Experience.

    As Nathan Birnbaum said, "sincerity - if you can fake that, you've got it made" - generally universal but particularly and awfully Asian.
  84. @Jack D
    This seems to be very common on the Left - the Overton Window gets pushed to the left constantly and last year's "radical" position becomes this year's minimum requirement for not being a Deplorable. We saw this with issues like gay marriage, which was once (not too long ago) opposed even by mainstream Democrat figures like Obama but very quickly became something that all right thinking people supported. If in 2019 you hold the exact same position on gay marriage that Obama held in 2009, this can only mean that you are some kind of Bible thumping yahoo Neanderthal. When the Dems pull this off successfully, it becomes not only the mandatory position for mainstream Democrat politicians but for EVERYONE, including mainstream Republicans.

    The Democrat primary season is prime time for Overton Window pushing as mainstream candidates are pulled toward the position of the most Leftist candidates in order to maintain their appeal with the Party activist base. So the most Leftist primary candidates will take up the $15/hr minimum wage or Medicare for all and pretty soon ALL the candidates have shifted toward the same position - no one wants to be labeled as the reactionary old fart who won't get with the program. That's where we are now with open borders.

    And of course, it's not just candidates - once Pravda (oops, I mean the NY Times) announces the Party Line then all good liberals have to get in line and even if they thought that open borders was insane a week ago, effective immediately this is the position of all right-thinking people and anyone who says otherwise gets his Goodwhite card confiscated and must be considered as belonging to the camp of the enemy.

    So the most Leftist primary candidates will take up the $15/hr minimum wage or Medicare for all and pretty soon ALL the candidates have shifted toward the same position …

    Wouldn’t mind either of those. But what liberals refuse to see is that they are completely, utterly and totally incompatible with open borders.

  85. @Corn
    “There are lots of “right-wing” groups slithering across the land, but few if any “left-wing” ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.”

    Someone pointed out years ago that the media will often describe a a far right or socially conservative politician as an “ultraconservative”.

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?

    It’s been ages since anyone on the Left was actually liberal, if ever.

    And “ultraprogressive” is redundant.

  86. @Jack D
    This seems to be very common on the Left - the Overton Window gets pushed to the left constantly and last year's "radical" position becomes this year's minimum requirement for not being a Deplorable. We saw this with issues like gay marriage, which was once (not too long ago) opposed even by mainstream Democrat figures like Obama but very quickly became something that all right thinking people supported. If in 2019 you hold the exact same position on gay marriage that Obama held in 2009, this can only mean that you are some kind of Bible thumping yahoo Neanderthal. When the Dems pull this off successfully, it becomes not only the mandatory position for mainstream Democrat politicians but for EVERYONE, including mainstream Republicans.

    The Democrat primary season is prime time for Overton Window pushing as mainstream candidates are pulled toward the position of the most Leftist candidates in order to maintain their appeal with the Party activist base. So the most Leftist primary candidates will take up the $15/hr minimum wage or Medicare for all and pretty soon ALL the candidates have shifted toward the same position - no one wants to be labeled as the reactionary old fart who won't get with the program. That's where we are now with open borders.

    And of course, it's not just candidates - once Pravda (oops, I mean the NY Times) announces the Party Line then all good liberals have to get in line and even if they thought that open borders was insane a week ago, effective immediately this is the position of all right-thinking people and anyone who says otherwise gets his Goodwhite card confiscated and must be considered as belonging to the camp of the enemy.

    “When the Dems pull this off successfully, it becomes not only the mandatory position for mainstream Democrat politicians but for EVERYONE, including mainstream Republicans.”

    The Dems’ success is always predicated on the GOPers’ surrender. If Republicans fiercely fought back on every hill, they would have been stopping the Communists, er, Democrats, cold again and again. Instead, with every fight, mainstream Republicans say to themselves, “That’s not a hill I’m willing to die on.”

    Mainstream Republicans have been worse than Communists for generations, because they deliberately sap the moral force of patriotic, conservatives to fill their own pockets, while surrendering to the Reds at every turn. The GOP-ers are anti-anti-Communists (think Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz, Obama conservative David Brooks, et al.).

    And whenever a patriot arises willing to die on that hill, the a-a-Cs turn on him with fury, as they did with Trump. William F. Buckley Jr. did it all the time, going back to Robert Welch in 1962.

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2016/10/william-f-buckley-how-i-conspired-to.html

    • Agree: Alden, TWS
  87. @snorlax
    Reagan would have won the nomination if Ford had stuck with Rocky. A better "Ford wins" what if is no Nixon pardon.

    >Reagan would have won the nomination if Ford had stuck with Rocky.

    Fair point, but in that case, would Reagan have won the election? Again: Ford came really close, and he was deeply associated with Nixon (Watergate was the real reason why the Democrats had a chance in 1976 at all) in a way Reagan wasn’t.

    >A better “Ford wins” what if is no Nixon pardon.

    Probably would have been worse for the GOP in 1976, as a Nixon trial would have dragged out all of official Washington’s dirty laundry (especially in the NatSec sector which Reagan so successfully rehabilitated), and the GOP would be the ones caught by the worst of the initial impact. It’s the same impetus that gave Carter the dark horse power he had in the DNC race.

    Ford didn’t even want to be President anyway until he became President. Nor did Nixon want him as VP. Since Agnew was going down regardless of Watergate, Nixon’d probably try to push John Connally, but he had a lot of skeletons in the closet and was a turncoat Democrat, so Reagan might find himself ascendant anyway.

  88. @Tiny Duck
    Not true and you are ignorant

    Liberals love Black Men and they win in the sexual marketplace

    We are fighting against white supremacy and will show no mercy

    The thing is a white majority country face as trump a man who is a traitor and conspired with Russia to steal the election

    The mueller hearing confirmed it

    The article is senseless, there is no theoretical framework & it lacks external validity. Reads like an ideological rant, not science

    @RonUnz, can we have a Pathetic Troll button along with the current Troll one?

  89. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake
    "I think Democrats increasingly see all 7.5 billion Pre-American-Americans as a minority oppressed by the 95 million straight white male Americans."

    It is yet another chapter of the old story of Revolutions devouring their own as part of the process of punishing, usually with the desire to exterminate, those they see as part of the pre-Revolution world.

    That dried up old whore Pelosi could be dragged out today by a firing squad of nothing but non-white Trannies who execute the death sentence for her crime of being a white woman Feminist who oppressed Persons of Color and the multi-gendered, and Nancy would die a silent lipped, loyal child of the Revolution, damning the heritage of the racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic Patriarchy.

    It is yet another chapter of the old story of Revolutions devouring their own as part of the process of punishing, usually with the desire to exterminate.

    Citation?

  90. @jim jones
    Pakistani cultural practices are the reason that Pakistan is such a mess:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

    And where do the cultural practices come from?

    I wish the Pakistanis in Pakistan’s all prosperity and happiness, however they define it. But “be like me” isn’t great advice.

  91. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Steve

    You have never written about the India Policy Group...A Hindu “American” PAC that owns 3/4 of the US Congress...

    Immigration Reform Policy Wonkery is a failure because it was always irrelevant to Native Born White American Working Class Males.....GUT LEVEL HUWHITE RACIAL TRIBALISM was always the way to go....The lonely-isolated Sky King would be alive today if we could have avoided Study X versus Study Y monotonous Immigration Reform Policy Wonkery......

    GUT LEVEL HUWHITE RACIAL TRIBALISM was always the way to go

    And that means saying what exactly?

  92. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    And untold trillions in property values would have been created as Whites relocated.

  93. @Anon
    OT

    At the College Fix:

    "Study finds transgender people more politically conservative than straight men"

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/study-finds-transgender-people-more-politically-conservative-than-straight-men/

    Well, duh. The transgender agenda is uber traditionalist. It states that anyone who is gender non conforming – possibly even gay! – can’t just be considered as an anomaly, or even just someone with a fetish. No, they must be the opposite sex! All wrinkles that make us uncomfortable must be ironed out! Men’s sexual desires are paramount!

  94. @Johnny789
    Bus and buss are two different words. Although maybe we should start spelling in triplicate. Busssed and busssing. Really adds a zing, don't it?

    Although maybe we should start spelling in triplicate. Busssed and busssing. Really adds a zing, don’t it?

    Too ssssssssibilant.

  95. There’s a fat lady singing in this version of The Brotherhood of Man, so I guess it must be over … OK, Ethel wasn’t very fat at that point, but the joke goes flat without the Fat Lady ….

  96. @War for Blair Mountain
    Steve

    You have never written about the India Policy Group...A Hindu “American” PAC that owns 3/4 of the US Congress...

    Immigration Reform Policy Wonkery is a failure because it was always irrelevant to Native Born White American Working Class Males.....GUT LEVEL HUWHITE RACIAL TRIBALISM was always the way to go....The lonely-isolated Sky King would be alive today if we could have avoided Study X versus Study Y monotonous Immigration Reform Policy Wonkery......

    You have never written about the India Policy Group…A Hindu “American” PAC that owns 3/4 of the US Congress…

    Yes, take that plus the 7/8ths owned by AIPAC (I probably won’t be surprised when I see Ilhan Omar’s name on their donee list), the 2/3rds owned by the NRA, the 1/7th still owned by Big Tobacco, the 15/16ths owned by Big Pharma, the 532/535ths owned by the Trial Lawyers, etc., etc., etc., and it becomes clear that all 535 voting members of the US Congress have learned from their Wall Street masters (who surprisingly only own 512 of them) how to re-hypothecate themelves for maximum cash flow.

  97. @Ibound1
    Whatever American White males are generally for, the Democratic Party is, or will soon, be against and whatever American White males are against, the Democratic Party is, or will soon, be for.

    Pick any issue at all. Whatever a White American male is generally for, they want to tear down. Whatever a White American male is against, they want to build up.

    Ask a psychologist to explain.

    It’s why they will go increasingly for Islam as well.

    Scratch a progressive and, every time, you’ll find a pimply, adolescent rebel screaming: “F*** you, dad!”

    • LOL: Ibound1
  98. The Demtard Party was never historically pro immigration.

    Zachy is mistaken.

    Also Zachy, “nativism” is basically the same as patriotism.

  99. @Corn
    “There are lots of “right-wing” groups slithering across the land, but few if any “left-wing” ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.”

    Someone pointed out years ago that the media will often describe a a far right or socially conservative politician as an “ultraconservative”.

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?

    “But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?”

    I think Republicans should get in the habit of calling ultraliberal Democrats “ultraliberals.” Such Democrats prefer being called “progressives.” After all, who can be against progress?

  100. @eah
    Democrats Are Turning Immigration Into a Moral Ultimatum

    No kidding -- read the thread: he could cure cancer and they still wouldn't cut him any slack.

    https://twitter.com/ucmerced/status/1154134367553380355

    Is there a paleontology gap?

  101. @Anonymous

    The open borders mania is also simple political self interest.
     
    You misunderstand. "Political self interest" is simply ethnic self interest.

    It seems the leftist push for open borders is mostly due to animosity against whites. Allowing millions of Latin Americans into the United States is not in the interests of African Americans. Yet Blacks oppose immigration restrictions and want to see whites become a minority , although open borders will reduce Blacks political power (one benefit to our quasi open border with Latin America has been a reduction in the political power of Blacks)

    While open borders may be in the ethnic self interest of Hispanics and Asians. The wealthy , elite Americans benefit economically by keeping our borders open. This is why nothing has been done to reduce immigration. The rich want more immigration, thus the GOP establishment seeks amnesty and increased immigration while the non-whites also seek amnesty and open borders to increase their power and reduce the political power of the deplorables.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    It seems the leftist push for open borders is mostly due to animosity against whites. Allowing millions of Latin Americans into the United States is not in the interests of African Americans. Yet Blacks oppose immigration restrictions and want to see whites become a minority , although open borders will reduce Blacks political power (one benefit to our quasi open border with Latin America has been a reduction in the political power of Blacks)
     
    Average Blacks are too dumb to understand this, and will vote how their Big Man instructs them to. The Big Men are paid or coerced to hew the party line.
    , @Travis
    I suspect one of the reasons our elites passed amnesty in 1986 and push for open borders today is to reduce the political power of Blacks. If Immigration had remained at levels we had in the sixties , capped at 200,000 per year and no HiB visa program and no amnesty in 1986 we would have 50 million less hispanics in the United States and 15 million less Asians, but Blacks would be closer to 18% of the US population today instead of 13% of the population.

    The American Black population tripled from 1930 to 1990 , from 11 million to 30 million Blacks while the white population grew 67% from 110 million to 184 million whites.
    In 1930 there were 10 whites for every Black American. The ratio fell to 6 to 1 in 1990. Today the ratio is 4 to 1

    The ratio of Blacks to whites clearly indicates the most important demographic change in America over the last 70 years. We now have 45 million Blacks, and 195 Million Whites. The ratio is expected to be 180 million Whites and 60 million Blacks in 2045 , thus we will have just 3 whites per Black American in 25 years. But we will have an additional 40 million "white" hispanics in 2050 and 30 million more Asians to weaken Blacks political power.
  102. @Anonymous

    I have to say it was very effective propaganda – I found myself wanting to be on the side of the “good guys” and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.
     
    What techniques did they use that you can you identify?

    That’s a good question. I can’t say for sure. It was very subtle, not like Soviet propaganda, but after listening to it I had no doubt which side was supposed to be the “good guys” and which side was the “bad guys”. If I was a Martian and had no understanding of what it’s like for a white kid to be in a majority black school then I would have left feeling that the Supreme Court ruling against cross district busing was a great injustice.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  103. @Corn
    “There are lots of “right-wing” groups slithering across the land, but few if any “left-wing” ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.”

    Someone pointed out years ago that the media will often describe a a far right or socially conservative politician as an “ultraconservative”.

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?

    Anyone Republican to the right of Susan Collins is “extreme right”. Any Democrat to the right of Pol Pot is “a liberal voice”.

  104. OT: Oberlin’s refusing to pay the bakery it lost the case to. SJWs always double down.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/judge-orders-oberlin-to-post-36-million-bond-since-it-refuses-to-pay-defamed-bakery/

  105. eah says:

    OT

    Paging Tracey Ullman — Convicted murderer returned to prison after home arrest violation — if you read the article and watch the video, you learn that while in prison this convicted murderer married not one but two of his therapists: During his incarceration, he married two of his prison therapists. He’s still married to his second wife, Dr. Marta Desoto. — as they say: that’s gotta be a record.

  106. Excellent article.

    Altruistic punishment of free riders. But they have taken it so far that it becomes a threat to the group.

    Schismogenesis. Like the Second Great Awakening that preceded the Civil War.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Altruistic punishment of free riders. But they have taken it so far that it becomes a threat to the group.
     
    Please explain.
  107. @peterike

    At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV – you have to feel sorry for her)

     

    I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for her. I'm only sorry she didn't drown along with the rest of them.

    This is wrong. Any human has to feel sorry for a grieving mother who has just lost her child (even if she is partly to blame).

    The problem is that you have to separate your emotions from your rational mind and base policy only on the latter. Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this – all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over. You can’t base policy on iconic photos but this is exactly how we have been forming policy in the last 50 years and it’s a ridiculous way to do it.

    But to say that you don’t feel sorry for these people – that’s cold. They’re human. Doesn’t mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    But to say that you don’t feel sorry for these people – that’s cold. They’re human. Doesn’t mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.
     
    Jack D is right.
    , @L Woods

    Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this – all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.
     
    It's not pity that motivates them, but glee that a piece of moral cover has emerged with which they can further beat their enemies into the ground.
    , @AndrewR
    It's almost like giving women political power was a catastrophic mistake lol
    , @Rosie

    esp. of the female type,
     
    Weren't you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.

    all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.
     
    Jack why don't remind us (((who))) gets ro decide whose dead babies get shown on TV.

    https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/06-2.jpg

    , @Mr. Anon
    Do you feel sorry for palestinian teenagers who have been shot by Israeli snipers in Gaza?
  108. I think Democrats increasingly see all 7.5 billion Pre-American-Americans as a minority oppressed by the 95 million straight white male Americans.

    Come on Mr. Sailer, how many of the citizens of Switzerland, the country of your ancestors, apparently, are willing to risk their lives and the lives of their children, or give up their children for a chance to get into the United States and do menial jobs that Americans don’t want to do?

    Most of the people in developed countries, especially those who own homes or land, or are influential in their communities have no interest at all in coming to live in the US and put up with insufferably overbearing government officials, lousy food and terrible gangster-infested public schools where the children are periodically massacred for the rest of their lives and indoctrinated into volunteering for castration unless they are pretty desperate.

    The question the US ought to be asking itself is how can we help the people who have the misfortune to be born in shithole countries (to use the current diplomatic jargon) like Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras, Haiti, and the Congo to make their own countries a bit more bearable, like Costa Rica, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, or the more salubrious parts of Africa.

    Perhaps a new type of Peace Corps to send hundreds of thousands of young Americans with skills to work in these countries for a few years in exchange for student debt forgiveness and a subsistence stipend with veterans hiring preferences on their return and to educate the people in these countries and help them get better organized.

    Add to this a new kind of work visa for single-employer 150-day renewable contracts for jobs that cannot be filled by Americans, in which the employer will be responsible for paying the fare to and from the US for each employee, plus insure and indemnify all health insurance expenses, and the employee must stay out of the US for at least 10 days between each contract.

    Plus setting up refugee camps INSIDE each of the failed/failing states where refugees can get basic local food, health care, a tent and a camp bed until they decide to leave. They could also apply for refugee resettlement in receiving nations on condition that they must accept placement in whatever country offers them placement or immediately lose refugee status. So if Siberia, or Iran, or Brazil, or Argentina wants them, then that is the deal and that is where they go to.

    I know this sounds vague and idealistic, and there may be people who can come up with better ideas than me, but I am sure there would be all kinds of benefits to such programs. But the important thing is that something proactive and international should be done instead of just throwing our hands in the air and saying that California, New Mexico, and Texas are unable to cope.

    And, yes, some of these people should be accepted into the United States, just like your ancestors were. Not all of them, just the number that the United States can reasonably absorb without a measurable drop in the quality of life and standard of living of those of us who are already here.

    And yet there is no real current debate going on as to a way forward on the issue. All people can think about is building a wall or digging a ditch, which is no solution to the current humanitarian crisis and state of emergency in the border states.

    • LOL: donut
    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Shithole countries are shithole countries because they are populated with shit people. Once the do-gooders who dug the wells or whatever leave, the improvement will fall apart, be destroyed or stolen because the shit people don't have the brains to maintain them. Look at post-Colonial Africa or, more recently, South Africa.

    Once a certain number of immigrants from the shithole country move to a neighborhood in any Western country, they turn that to shit, too. They're really trying to run away from themselves.
    , @Alfa158
    And why exactly would any of these people accept that kind of deal? All they have to do is make it across the borders into White countries and they are permanent residents.
    If robbers have invaded a bank and are emptying out the safe do you think they would put it all back and leave in exchange for the bank manager offering them a credit card, and a free toaster if they opens a savings account?
  109. @Wilkey
    I particularly like the dissenting opinion in that case from Thurgood Marshall:

    School district lines, however innocently drawn, will surely be perceived as fences to separate the races when, under a Detroit-only decree, white parents [will] withdraw their children from the Detroit city schools and move to the suburbs in order to continue them in all-white schools
     
    We all know the absolute horror of white people being allowed to make decisions on where to educate their kids, and how the United Statea was founded precisely for the purpose of not allowing white parents to choose where and how to educate their children.

    "We the People, in order to form a more perfect union, and in order to prevent white parents from choosing how and where to raise and educate their children, and to ensure the blessings of liberty for the posterity of others but not our own, yadda yadda yadda."

    While I don't at all agree with de jure segregation, it's kind of revealing that one of the primary goals of government-imposed integration is to make it so that black people don't have to live amongst their own. It's only common sense that blacks should have the same access to jobs, government services, etc. as anyone else. But if black people having to live in neighborhoods or attend schools with other blacks is considered punishment, then it tells you that the Left (and blacks themselves) don't really look too kindly on the African race.

    In retrospect it may have been better if conservatives had lost that Supreme Court case. Instead of the (relatively) slow decline of Detroit and the nation's auto industry it may have all happened in one swell foop, and the extremism of "progressives" would have been more obvious to all.

    Nah, homeschooling would have ended up being converted into a serious alternative education system and credentialing pipeline rather than what actually happened with it (reinforcing the status quo so well that liberals are rushing to take it over).

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Nah, homeschooling would have ended up being converted into a serious alternative education system and credentialing pipeline rather than what actually happened with it (reinforcing the status quo so well that liberals are rushing to take it over).
     
    What "actually happened" with homeschooling? Liberals are rushing to take it over??
  110. @Lurker

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel 'bused' should be spelled 'bussed' and 'busing' as 'bussing')

    I like the single-s version so we can say “Used, bused, and abused.”

  111. Wow, a sensible article about immigration in a Jewish publication!

  112. @Cagey Beast
    OT?

    https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1154595674794745856?s=20

    That’s White Women for you. The eternal and natural enemy of the beta White male.

    There is nothing they’d like more than turn America into Game of Thrones as they all figure they are the character Danish Teagarden. Or whatever.

    White Women figure they’ll move up as the mistress of the new big shot rulers. For them most of Game of Thrones was a reassuring fantasy.

    Let’s pray for War. Real decades long grinding war that puts women gays and non Whites in the useless box and elevates White men into … needed. A few nuked cities is a small price to pay for a Mexidus.

  113. @Intelligent Dasein
    Modern Americans pretty much define "success" in any endeavor as out-signalling the rest of the field. Ergo, any new fad or fashion is rapidly pushed to irrational extremes that nobody in their right mind ever desired. This is especially bad in the corporate world.

    I consider this to be classic "beta" behavior: mindless conformity and desperately overcompensated confessions of inadequacy. This culture's relentless push towards material attainment has convinced every mediocre Bob and Megan Ridingmower that they need to go for broke in the pursuit of fame, money, and status purchases.

    This has resulted in a sort of spiritual acidosis akin to the physical acidosis that cattle experience when fed exclusively on grains. They weren't designed for such a diet and their bodies rebel accordingly; but ranchers, instead of taking this cue from nature, simply bite the bullet and consider this diseased state to be a normal phase of bovine maturation. Teenage alienation, midlife crises, and broken families are all symptoms of our spiritual acidosis that we wrongly consider normal.

    It's kind of sickening to watch this process play out on the national political stage. We field candidates for public office who are the cultural equivalent of lip-disked, neck-stretched, scarified savages---warped and twisted specimens of humanity mauled by their service to a false god.

    Modern Americans pretty much define “success” in any endeavor as out-signalling the rest of the field. Ergo, any new fad or fashion is rapidly pushed to irrational extremes that nobody in their right mind ever desired. This is especially bad in the corporate world.

    Too right. Tuberculosis is a horrible disease that used to kill millions of people per year until the second half of the last century and which was pretty much eradicated in the developed world, and then made a comeback in the era of AIDS, because of lowered resistance in the immunocompromised.

    To combat the spread of TB many employers in the US have made it mandatory for all employees to have a PPD (Purified Protein Derivative) test prior to employment and every year. Employees who do not get their annual test on time are automatically suspended without pay and unable to work. Which is pretty draconian, but understandable since it is a matter of life or death.

    That is the way it was until very recently, when it was announced that there is a worldwide shortage of PPD solution, and that henceforth only those deemed to be at high risk for TB, or reporting symptoms suggestive of TB need to be tested.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6824a4.htm

    So suddenly we go from tens of thousands of people tested every day, to almost nobody tested at all, so you have to wonder why the hell everybody was being tested in the first place if it was not really essential, not really a matter of life and death.

    And why the hell there is suddenly a world wide shortage of this essential product that saves millions of lives? Or does it? And is this likely to lead to an increase in bovine TB, which can be transmitted to humans, and for which milk has to be tested?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3103864/

    The next thing you know the US will be declaring an amnesty with Iran due to worldwide shortage of amphetamines for troops.

  114. @unit472
    As a kid in the early 1960's TV stations ran PSA. I remember two in particular. One was a jingle about wearing a seatbelt that advised 'For your driving safety always buckle up' the other was a far less light hearted warning that 'All Aliens in the United States' had to register by a certain date. Kennedy was still president I believe or, if not, LBJ had just assumed the office but the stentorian warning to aliens to report and register was of sufficient importance to the US government then as to require a TV ad campaign. Thing was in the Fairfax County, Virginia or that era this boy didn't know any 'aliens'. My father played chess with a Spanish guy who was a diplomat or something but we didn't have swarthy mestizo landscapers or restaurant workers back then. White teenagers held those jobs and, as for domestic help, there were stout black ladies from the District of the sort one sees now holding office as state legislators.

    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement – a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).

    When I was growing up, for some reason my sister (born in a displaced persons camp in Germany but came here when she was 2) was not a US citizen even though my parents had been naturalized at the earliest possible date (she later corrected this). IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic – you had to file some paperwork but they never did it for her – I dunno why. So each year she had to fill out this little form – it was no big deal and as far as I could tell they didn’t do anything with them (maybe that’s why they discontinued them) – not once were we ever contacted by anyone from INS. It was just another piece of routine government paperwork like your car registration renewal or your dog license and carried about the same level of emotion (none). I guess the idea was that if there was ever a war or something and they needed to round up all the enemy aliens they would know where to find them but since there was never a war they just filled up some huge warehouse with these cards and did nothing with them.

    But now I know that sending that card in was really a humiliation. I have to call my sister up and tell her to be retroactively humiliated and angry and to hate Trump and America because she used to have to fill out those cards.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Memories-of-an-annual-humiliation-10778814.php

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Wokesters don't seem to recognize that everything they say about immigrants makes them sound like people that no rational American would want.

    They are portrayed as coming fresh off the boat with a sense of arrogance, entitlement and hostility toward white America.

    The first question asked is how much we owe them for their trouble in breaking the law to get here. The second question is how they can start undermining the country by bringing in more like themselves.

    In effect, the Left sees immigration as a penance that must be paid for the original sin of whiteness. But if you don't buy that insane premise, you can only wonder "why the hell are we deliberately punishing ourselves."

    It really is like a religious war againt zealots demanding self-flagellation as proof of devotion.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement – a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).
     
    I was a resident alien in the US from 1986 to 2001, when I obtained citizenship, and I do not recall ever filling out this form, or even knowing about the need to do so. I think perhaps you were supposed to give a notification of a change of address.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic
     
    Like you, I thought until recently that it was automatic, but it is not.

    When my wife recently obtained her citizenship, we were under the impression that my step daughter would automatically get US citizenship with her.

    She inquired about citizenship for her daughter who lives with us and has a green card, and it is necessary to complete a form, apply online, and pay $1170. This is what she was told at USCIS on the day of her naturalization ceremony, and they even gave her the paper version of the required form. The form is N-600.

    So that is hardly automatic. You have to apply, and you have to pay a lot of money. I am sure that for this reason many minors who are eligible for citizenship do not obtain it, because the parents cannot pay for it.

    We have not yet started the application for her as she does not need a new passport until next year, but I fully expect that they will be asking for all kinds of documentation just the same as for any other citizenship application, even though she already has a Green Card and they already have all the documentation showing the relationship from the time when she was granted her entry visa and Green Card.
  115. @istevefan

    We’ve come a long way since the bigoted nativism of early 20th century anti-immigrant crusaders,
     
    The guy lost me there.

    You will notice in discussing immigration only one side is given the 'anti' prefix. If you are against further immigration you are anti-immigrant. But if you are for more and more immigration you are are never labeled anti-native or some such similar term with the ominous prefix 'anti'.

    We are told that those who oppose mass immigration do so in part because they want to keep their proportion of the population and do not want to be diluted with other people. But aren't the other people who favor more of their kin as immigrants doing so to increase their proportion of the population at the expense of the existing peoples? And if so, why is it wrong in the former, but OK in the latter?

    He’s trying to talk sense while maintaining every inane baseless faith article. Don’t read him normally, instead watch out for what he lets through. Like if a Politburo member acknowledged a Soviet mistake amid a cloud of you-are-lynching-negroes propaganda.

  116. @Prester John
    The people who are the drivers behind what amounts to an open borders policy--mainly upper class elites-- remain pretty much immune from the consequences of such a policy. Inevitably that will all end, because the dust that they're kicking up will eventually settle and will suffocate everyone. The tragedy of it all is that because of the derangement of one group, all of us will have to suffer. But at least we can take comfort in knowing that they will suffer too.

    I once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews were usually liberal was because Jews were usually affluent so that they could escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This but also tikkun olam lets them glory in their power and position themselves as fixing things, whereas tradition limits you and asks that you accept certain things. Imperfect comparison: the religious Jew in Defamation who says he's not worried about reprogramming the goyim because he has his hands full with being a religious Jew.
    , @Anon
    That would apply to most of the gentile White wealthy.

    Jewish belief explicitly holds that all nations are to be destroyed to pave the way for their Messianic Age of World rule. Its an individual matter as to what Jews are aware of this fact and which are not, but this is what their texts say and it must be assumed that Jewish adults know their religion. They are not owed the benefit of the doubt in terms of ignorance, especially given the fact that they act in accordance with this edict, and gentiles must learn to stem their willingness to absolve their plotting haters and destroyers because they wish to see them as good people.

  117. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Excellent article.


    Altruistic punishment of free riders. But they have taken it so far that it becomes a threat to the group.

    Schismogenesis. Like the Second Great Awakening that preceded the Civil War.

    Altruistic punishment of free riders. But they have taken it so far that it becomes a threat to the group.

    Please explain.

    • Replies: @Sean
    It's like the mission statement of a company is all about how incredibly passionate their workers are about delivering insanely good customer service and everybody is in competition to be nicer to customers, but the firm ends up in trouble because they have lost sight of the objective of making a profit.
  118. @Jonathan Mason

    I think Democrats increasingly see all 7.5 billion Pre-American-Americans as a minority oppressed by the 95 million straight white male Americans.
     
    Come on Mr. Sailer, how many of the citizens of Switzerland, the country of your ancestors, apparently, are willing to risk their lives and the lives of their children, or give up their children for a chance to get into the United States and do menial jobs that Americans don't want to do?

    Most of the people in developed countries, especially those who own homes or land, or are influential in their communities have no interest at all in coming to live in the US and put up with insufferably overbearing government officials, lousy food and terrible gangster-infested public schools where the children are periodically massacred for the rest of their lives and indoctrinated into volunteering for castration unless they are pretty desperate.

    The question the US ought to be asking itself is how can we help the people who have the misfortune to be born in shithole countries (to use the current diplomatic jargon) like Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras, Haiti, and the Congo to make their own countries a bit more bearable, like Costa Rica, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, or the more salubrious parts of Africa.

    Perhaps a new type of Peace Corps to send hundreds of thousands of young Americans with skills to work in these countries for a few years in exchange for student debt forgiveness and a subsistence stipend with veterans hiring preferences on their return and to educate the people in these countries and help them get better organized.

    Add to this a new kind of work visa for single-employer 150-day renewable contracts for jobs that cannot be filled by Americans, in which the employer will be responsible for paying the fare to and from the US for each employee, plus insure and indemnify all health insurance expenses, and the employee must stay out of the US for at least 10 days between each contract.

    Plus setting up refugee camps INSIDE each of the failed/failing states where refugees can get basic local food, health care, a tent and a camp bed until they decide to leave. They could also apply for refugee resettlement in receiving nations on condition that they must accept placement in whatever country offers them placement or immediately lose refugee status. So if Siberia, or Iran, or Brazil, or Argentina wants them, then that is the deal and that is where they go to.

    I know this sounds vague and idealistic, and there may be people who can come up with better ideas than me, but I am sure there would be all kinds of benefits to such programs. But the important thing is that something proactive and international should be done instead of just throwing our hands in the air and saying that California, New Mexico, and Texas are unable to cope.

    And, yes, some of these people should be accepted into the United States, just like your ancestors were. Not all of them, just the number that the United States can reasonably absorb without a measurable drop in the quality of life and standard of living of those of us who are already here.

    And yet there is no real current debate going on as to a way forward on the issue. All people can think about is building a wall or digging a ditch, which is no solution to the current humanitarian crisis and state of emergency in the border states.

    Shithole countries are shithole countries because they are populated with shit people. Once the do-gooders who dug the wells or whatever leave, the improvement will fall apart, be destroyed or stolen because the shit people don’t have the brains to maintain them. Look at post-Colonial Africa or, more recently, South Africa.

    Once a certain number of immigrants from the shithole country move to a neighborhood in any Western country, they turn that to shit, too. They’re really trying to run away from themselves.

  119. Rape Hoax Stone wants you to know that the real problem with law-flaunting billionaire pedophile kompromat agent Epstein is that peasants on the internet are presuming to disrespect House Clinton.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-clinton-conspiracy-theories-twitter-863446/

  120. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    This is wrong. Any human has to feel sorry for a grieving mother who has just lost her child (even if she is partly to blame).

    The problem is that you have to separate your emotions from your rational mind and base policy only on the latter. Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this - all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over. You can't base policy on iconic photos but this is exactly how we have been forming policy in the last 50 years and it's a ridiculous way to do it.

    But to say that you don't feel sorry for these people - that's cold. They're human. Doesn't mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.

    But to say that you don’t feel sorry for these people – that’s cold. They’re human. Doesn’t mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.

    Jack D is right.

  121. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews were usually liberal was because Jews were usually affluent so that they could escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.

    This but also tikkun olam lets them glory in their power and position themselves as fixing things, whereas tradition limits you and asks that you accept certain things. Imperfect comparison: the religious Jew in Defamation who says he’s not worried about reprogramming the goyim because he has his hands full with being a religious Jew.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Good point. Liberalism rejects the idea of a basic human nature and differences between genders, sexual orientations, race and ethnicities. There is no wrong other than "bigotry" towards an ever-growing list of certified victims. Orthodox Judaism teaches that there is a basic human nature and moral behavior, including proper relationships with and attitudes towards others.

    To use a different example, Mayor Buttplug is pandering to Blacks because there still is widespread disapproval of homosexuality among Blacks. In this case, Christianity acts as a limiting factor.
  122. “The Final Solution, however, did not emerge full-on but incrementally. It was implemented in 1941, but its roots lie in Hitler’s anti-Jewish policies in the early 1930s — the normalization of discrimination and hate speech, then the detention and the stripping away of rights. Sound familiar? Remembering the progression makes it all the more important that we use the right words to describe what we are seeing, in real time….” – from the referenced article

    The Final Solution? Really? This mentally ill Jewish guy thinks that America is going to gas and incinerate millions of illegals? I hope there’s a rabbi somewhere who can talk this guy off the ledge. Also, the editor who approved this inflammatory article should be schooled about this kind of content.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    More to the point:

    Hell, yeah, it sounds familiar! It's what's been being done to men; Christians; Europeans (including the diaspora); Americans (including Negroes); sexually normal people (i.e. "heterosexuals" and "cis-gendered" people); conservationists (those who actually care about pollution, overpopulation, and such); the law-abiding; the socially responsible; and the talented (those attaining position via merit) for at least fifty years.

    The Man cries out in pain as he strikes you.
  123. @Corn
    “There are lots of “right-wing” groups slithering across the land, but few if any “left-wing” ones, not even Occupy or Antifa.”

    Someone pointed out years ago that the media will often describe a a far right or socially conservative politician as an “ultraconservative”.

    But when was the last time someone at CNN or Time called a politician on the far left an ultraliberal?

    Guardian search
    “far left” 6,700 results
    “far right” 44,000 results.

  124. @Anon
    Sorry Mr Sailer, but I think some of the world's pre-American Americans, are likely to stay decidedly pre-American.
    The day when caravans of white South African asylum-seekers form up in Mexico will be the day when the progressive 'white saviours' hurriedly start to built the border wall.

    Nah, wait until the castizas from Venuezela show up.

  125. @HammerJack
    Just as the two-party system will do everything it can to prevent the rise of a third party, so the one-party system in our immediate future will prevent any recurrence of a second.

    the moral mythologies of liberal Democrats...have become increasingly detached from practical realties.
     
    What I stated above is one of the few practical realities which actually concern them: the acquisition and consolidation of political power.

    We are now enjoying what may well be the final days of freedom this nation will enjoy for many decades, if not centuries. It will no longer be America, or at least it won't be anything worthy of the name.

    The one party system is very durable and will crack when it has damaged the host enough to fracture the Party coalition, but that will take a long time. The PRI ruled Mexico for something like four decades until there was too much stress from a failing system not being able to pay everyone off as they expected. The Soviet Union fell apart after seven decades.
    Right now the coalition of the fringes is happy to feed off the dying the US, chortling over getting their share from The Man (meaning us). When everyone can’t get enough anymore, then things get feral and there will probably be all kinds of self-interested factions fighting it out in the wreckage.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  126. @Jonathan Mason

    I think Democrats increasingly see all 7.5 billion Pre-American-Americans as a minority oppressed by the 95 million straight white male Americans.
     
    Come on Mr. Sailer, how many of the citizens of Switzerland, the country of your ancestors, apparently, are willing to risk their lives and the lives of their children, or give up their children for a chance to get into the United States and do menial jobs that Americans don't want to do?

    Most of the people in developed countries, especially those who own homes or land, or are influential in their communities have no interest at all in coming to live in the US and put up with insufferably overbearing government officials, lousy food and terrible gangster-infested public schools where the children are periodically massacred for the rest of their lives and indoctrinated into volunteering for castration unless they are pretty desperate.

    The question the US ought to be asking itself is how can we help the people who have the misfortune to be born in shithole countries (to use the current diplomatic jargon) like Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras, Haiti, and the Congo to make their own countries a bit more bearable, like Costa Rica, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, or the more salubrious parts of Africa.

    Perhaps a new type of Peace Corps to send hundreds of thousands of young Americans with skills to work in these countries for a few years in exchange for student debt forgiveness and a subsistence stipend with veterans hiring preferences on their return and to educate the people in these countries and help them get better organized.

    Add to this a new kind of work visa for single-employer 150-day renewable contracts for jobs that cannot be filled by Americans, in which the employer will be responsible for paying the fare to and from the US for each employee, plus insure and indemnify all health insurance expenses, and the employee must stay out of the US for at least 10 days between each contract.

    Plus setting up refugee camps INSIDE each of the failed/failing states where refugees can get basic local food, health care, a tent and a camp bed until they decide to leave. They could also apply for refugee resettlement in receiving nations on condition that they must accept placement in whatever country offers them placement or immediately lose refugee status. So if Siberia, or Iran, or Brazil, or Argentina wants them, then that is the deal and that is where they go to.

    I know this sounds vague and idealistic, and there may be people who can come up with better ideas than me, but I am sure there would be all kinds of benefits to such programs. But the important thing is that something proactive and international should be done instead of just throwing our hands in the air and saying that California, New Mexico, and Texas are unable to cope.

    And, yes, some of these people should be accepted into the United States, just like your ancestors were. Not all of them, just the number that the United States can reasonably absorb without a measurable drop in the quality of life and standard of living of those of us who are already here.

    And yet there is no real current debate going on as to a way forward on the issue. All people can think about is building a wall or digging a ditch, which is no solution to the current humanitarian crisis and state of emergency in the border states.

    And why exactly would any of these people accept that kind of deal? All they have to do is make it across the borders into White countries and they are permanent residents.
    If robbers have invaded a bank and are emptying out the safe do you think they would put it all back and leave in exchange for the bank manager offering them a credit card, and a free toaster if they opens a savings account?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    And why exactly would any of these people accept that kind of deal? All they have to do is make it across the borders into White countries and they are permanent residents.
     
    My suggestions are predicated on the idea that the economically developed nations would reach an agreement to revamp existing treaty obligations in favor of a new treaty that would have specific plans in place for dealing with the populations of countries where large numbers of people are being displaced and for dealing with the issues of government of those nations that are failing their populations.

    This would obviously negate any right to obtain permanent residency in a nation chosen by the refugee,which in turn might encourage refugees to stay put in their homelands and work for reform there, with the support of potential refugee-receiving nations.

    There might even be a need to carve out new nations where refugees can be placed. It was done for Israel, and there are plenty of tracts of underused land the size of Israel on the planet.

    Anyway, bottom line is that people do not usually leave home with small children unless their situation at home is pretty desperate, so it makes sense to perform a rigorous root cause analysis of why people up and leave the place where they were born and grew up and what could stop them from doing so, and the US is probably the nation that ought to take on a leadership role, particularly since it is probably the nation whose existence is most under threat.

  127. Related to above yong White men have no rights. Obama judge dismisses Nick Sandmanns lawsuit.

    If you are White you are an untermenschen. This will continue under peace until we Whites are needed in war:

  128. @Jack D
    This is wrong. Any human has to feel sorry for a grieving mother who has just lost her child (even if she is partly to blame).

    The problem is that you have to separate your emotions from your rational mind and base policy only on the latter. Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this - all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over. You can't base policy on iconic photos but this is exactly how we have been forming policy in the last 50 years and it's a ridiculous way to do it.

    But to say that you don't feel sorry for these people - that's cold. They're human. Doesn't mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.

    Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this – all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.

    It’s not pity that motivates them, but glee that a piece of moral cover has emerged with which they can further beat their enemies into the ground.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    It’s not pity that motivates them, but glee that a piece of moral cover has emerged with which they can further beat their enemies into the ground.
     
    Exactly. I don't disagree with Jack's point about this demand that we turn off the rational part of our brains. That's spot on.

    But these viginettes are just propaganda stunts. The good thinkers--a few clueless young white girls (misdirected nurturing instinct) excepted--do not give a flying rats ass these people. If they did they'd be concentrating on the sort of intensive solutions--starting with birth control, moving on to workable infrastructure and economic development questions--that could be done to make their home countries more pleasant.

    These folks essentially no interest in those questions. This is entirely about virtue signalling and most importantly sticking it to deplorables by flooding them with POC.
  129. Does anyone seriously give a damn about the Holocaust anymore?

  130. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    “Never Again” is right now in Palestine, to an exponential degree compared to any US immigration jail. In fact, Israel includes immigration jails on par with the US in addition to the massive open air detention camps that are Gaza and the West Bank.

    Jewish religious texts call for the eventual genocide of all Palestinians, both outright when they state that all Arabs will be cleansed from the Near East in the final apocalypse and when they give detail as to their god’s directive for the Philistines / Palestinians in Gaza. Which is captivity followed by total genocide.

    Its a strategy…whoops… I mean its funny that Ulin chose to waste one drop of ink on US immigration jails before his own house is in order in regard to “Never Again”.

    I believe that the Jew card is well used up. Any further use of it is purely cynical and has the net effect of more hostility toward the Jews. They will keep using it until we are at war with them and others, which seems to be another part of their strategy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Jewish religious texts call for the eventual genocide of all Palestinians, both outright when they state that all Arabs will be cleansed from the Near East in the final apocalypse and when they give detail as to their god’s directive for the Philistines / Palestinians in Gaza. Which is captivity followed by total genocide.
     
    Citation?
  131. @Jack D
    Maybe the women and children mostly drowned. At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV - you have to feel sorry for her) and blamed the UN authorities for not giving her legal refuge so that she was forced to use the smugglers instead.

    I really don't know what combination of economic and political desperation vs. desire to live the easy life in the West really drives these folks but when you have 2 bodies of water at vastly different levels there is going to tremendous pressure on any dam that you erect to separate them. It's hard to say that the West did a great job with colonialism the last time we tried it (some places such as Congo were worse than other (British ruled) places) and it's deeply unfashionable (and hard to implement on a self-funding basis) but the idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it's going to spill over to the West one way or another. The cost of the necessary military garrisons or whatever will pale compared to the cost of having the West overrun by barbarians who will in the end destroy Western civilization.

    The onus of these disasters is completely–*completely*–on the “nation of immigrants” people who promote the invasion of the West.

    Without them this is a complete non-issues–as it was historically–because they aren’t allowed in, so do not come.

    ~~~

    idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it’s going to spill over to the West one way or another.

    It’s not crazy in some sort of abstract sense, but it’s crazy in reality. This would be “racist”, and “neo-colonialism”. And really people want to run their own nations not have some foreign people of some other race/color/creed/tribe bossing them around.

    Furthermore, “it” is not “going to spill over to the West” at all … except for the “nation of immigrants” assholes allowing it. This is the greatest mismatch of defender over invaders in all of human history … it’s just these assholes who are not just blocking the defenders from defending but actively aiding the invaders.

    • Replies: @anon
    Order arms! About face! At ease!

    https://youtu.be/nQrE8vOM0ss?t=289
  132. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews were usually liberal was because Jews were usually affluent so that they could escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.

    That would apply to most of the gentile White wealthy.

    Jewish belief explicitly holds that all nations are to be destroyed to pave the way for their Messianic Age of World rule. Its an individual matter as to what Jews are aware of this fact and which are not, but this is what their texts say and it must be assumed that Jewish adults know their religion. They are not owed the benefit of the doubt in terms of ignorance, especially given the fact that they act in accordance with this edict, and gentiles must learn to stem their willingness to absolve their plotting haters and destroyers because they wish to see them as good people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Jewish belief explicitly holds that all nations are to be destroyed to pave the way for their Messianic Age of World rule.
     
    Do you have a citation?
  133. anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike
    OT-ish! From the ongoing Annals of Troublesome Asians, Canadian Division.

    Obstetrician secretly induces labor in his patients so he can charge more. Yes, Dr. Paul Shuen graced Canada with his holy immigrant presence, and then, well, some very typical Asian stuff happened.

    https://torontolife.com/city/greed-betrayal-medical-misconduct-north-york-general/

    Three days later, Shuen emailed Brown. “I have done a great deal of soul-searching since Thursday and can now see the seriousness of my mistakes,” he wrote. “So I write in a spirit of sincere remorse and full responsibility for what I have done. You were right to warn me before, and I do not blame you for calling the disciplinary hearing, which I deserved. I have no desire or intention to fight the hospital’s ruling.” He asked for six months to care for his current load of patients, promising to stop taking on new ones and to retire when the period was up. “If you sense that there might be such a possibility, for the sake of my patients and maybe in recognition of the good I have done over the years in spite of my mistakes, please let me know how I might proceed.”

    I can practically hear the Chinese accent – or that Andrew Yangish Chinese way of talking – in the bolded words. Experience.

    As Nathan Birnbaum said, “sincerity – if you can fake that, you’ve got it made” – generally universal but particularly and awfully Asian.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I can practically hear the Chinese accent – or that Andrew Yangish Chinese way of talking – in the bolded words. Experience.
     
    What typifies Yang's accent?
  134. @Jack D
    This is wrong. Any human has to feel sorry for a grieving mother who has just lost her child (even if she is partly to blame).

    The problem is that you have to separate your emotions from your rational mind and base policy only on the latter. Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this - all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over. You can't base policy on iconic photos but this is exactly how we have been forming policy in the last 50 years and it's a ridiculous way to do it.

    But to say that you don't feel sorry for these people - that's cold. They're human. Doesn't mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.

    It’s almost like giving women political power was a catastrophic mistake lol

  135. @Jack D
    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement - a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).

    When I was growing up, for some reason my sister (born in a displaced persons camp in Germany but came here when she was 2) was not a US citizen even though my parents had been naturalized at the earliest possible date (she later corrected this). IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic - you had to file some paperwork but they never did it for her - I dunno why. So each year she had to fill out this little form - it was no big deal and as far as I could tell they didn't do anything with them (maybe that's why they discontinued them) - not once were we ever contacted by anyone from INS. It was just another piece of routine government paperwork like your car registration renewal or your dog license and carried about the same level of emotion (none). I guess the idea was that if there was ever a war or something and they needed to round up all the enemy aliens they would know where to find them but since there was never a war they just filled up some huge warehouse with these cards and did nothing with them.

    But now I know that sending that card in was really a humiliation. I have to call my sister up and tell her to be retroactively humiliated and angry and to hate Trump and America because she used to have to fill out those cards.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Memories-of-an-annual-humiliation-10778814.php

    Wokesters don’t seem to recognize that everything they say about immigrants makes them sound like people that no rational American would want.

    They are portrayed as coming fresh off the boat with a sense of arrogance, entitlement and hostility toward white America.

    The first question asked is how much we owe them for their trouble in breaking the law to get here. The second question is how they can start undermining the country by bringing in more like themselves.

    In effect, the Left sees immigration as a penance that must be paid for the original sin of whiteness. But if you don’t buy that insane premise, you can only wonder “why the hell are we deliberately punishing ourselves.”

    It really is like a religious war againt zealots demanding self-flagellation as proof of devotion.

  136. It is because of the Holocaust that we must refer to the government’s detention centers as “concentration camps.” We become complicit if we do not speak up. We know the cost of silence.

    It’s because of the Holocaust that we aren’t supposed to tell the truth. That letting the great wave Jews into the US has been a disaster. That despite the tolerance and incredible opportunities they’ve enjoyed in America, large proportion of them have zero loyalty to their fellow Americans and have a nasty genocidal animus against white gentile nations. We become complicit if we don’t speak up. We know the cost of silence–the destruction of our nations, our race, our civilization.

  137. @Alfa158
    And why exactly would any of these people accept that kind of deal? All they have to do is make it across the borders into White countries and they are permanent residents.
    If robbers have invaded a bank and are emptying out the safe do you think they would put it all back and leave in exchange for the bank manager offering them a credit card, and a free toaster if they opens a savings account?

    And why exactly would any of these people accept that kind of deal? All they have to do is make it across the borders into White countries and they are permanent residents.

    My suggestions are predicated on the idea that the economically developed nations would reach an agreement to revamp existing treaty obligations in favor of a new treaty that would have specific plans in place for dealing with the populations of countries where large numbers of people are being displaced and for dealing with the issues of government of those nations that are failing their populations.

    This would obviously negate any right to obtain permanent residency in a nation chosen by the refugee,which in turn might encourage refugees to stay put in their homelands and work for reform there, with the support of potential refugee-receiving nations.

    There might even be a need to carve out new nations where refugees can be placed. It was done for Israel, and there are plenty of tracts of underused land the size of Israel on the planet.

    Anyway, bottom line is that people do not usually leave home with small children unless their situation at home is pretty desperate, so it makes sense to perform a rigorous root cause analysis of why people up and leave the place where they were born and grew up and what could stop them from doing so, and the US is probably the nation that ought to take on a leadership role, particularly since it is probably the nation whose existence is most under threat.

    • Replies: @HammerJack

    Anyway, bottom line is that people do not usually leave home with small children unless their situation at home is pretty desperate
     
    Yes, so TPTB would have us believe. Back here in the real world, however, if you learn of a way to get free everything for your poor family, you'll grab it with all you've got.

    Poor people? The world has billions, with many more on the way. Many just find it easier to pretend than to deal with a difficult situation.

  138. @Jack D
    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement - a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).

    When I was growing up, for some reason my sister (born in a displaced persons camp in Germany but came here when she was 2) was not a US citizen even though my parents had been naturalized at the earliest possible date (she later corrected this). IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic - you had to file some paperwork but they never did it for her - I dunno why. So each year she had to fill out this little form - it was no big deal and as far as I could tell they didn't do anything with them (maybe that's why they discontinued them) - not once were we ever contacted by anyone from INS. It was just another piece of routine government paperwork like your car registration renewal or your dog license and carried about the same level of emotion (none). I guess the idea was that if there was ever a war or something and they needed to round up all the enemy aliens they would know where to find them but since there was never a war they just filled up some huge warehouse with these cards and did nothing with them.

    But now I know that sending that card in was really a humiliation. I have to call my sister up and tell her to be retroactively humiliated and angry and to hate Trump and America because she used to have to fill out those cards.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Memories-of-an-annual-humiliation-10778814.php

    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement – a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).

    I was a resident alien in the US from 1986 to 2001, when I obtained citizenship, and I do not recall ever filling out this form, or even knowing about the need to do so. I think perhaps you were supposed to give a notification of a change of address.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I was a resident alien in the US from 1986 to 2001, when I obtained citizenship, and I do not recall ever filling out this form, or even knowing about the need to do so. I think perhaps you were supposed to give a notification of a change of address.
     
    AnotherMom's an immigrant and i don't remember any such card. Just asked her and she doesn't either. Which is not to say it didn't exist ... it's been a long time since she got her citizenship.
    , @Jack D
    I'm not sure what year they abolished the annual alien registration. I thought it was 2003 but it could have been much earlier. During the 1960s it was in effect but I don't know about after that.
  139. @AnotherDad
    The onus of these disasters is completely--*completely*--on the "nation of immigrants" people who promote the invasion of the West.

    Without them this is a complete non-issues--as it was historically--because they aren't allowed in, so do not come.

    ~~~

    idea of UN mandates to run these places is not crazy because they are clearly not capable of running themselves and it’s going to spill over to the West one way or another.
     
    It's not crazy in some sort of abstract sense, but it's crazy in reality. This would be "racist", and "neo-colonialism". And really people want to run their own nations not have some foreign people of some other race/color/creed/tribe bossing them around.

    Furthermore, "it" is not "going to spill over to the West" at all ... except for the "nation of immigrants" assholes allowing it. This is the greatest mismatch of defender over invaders in all of human history ... it's just these assholes who are not just blocking the defenders from defending but actively aiding the invaders.

    Order arms! About face! At ease!

  140. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    A few more buses might have went kaboom, too.

    I remember that didn’t happen where I grew up but there were a lot of flat tires and occasionally the block heaters would get their cords cut, meaning in cold weather they wouldn’t start.

  141. @Jack D
    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement - a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).

    When I was growing up, for some reason my sister (born in a displaced persons camp in Germany but came here when she was 2) was not a US citizen even though my parents had been naturalized at the earliest possible date (she later corrected this). IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic - you had to file some paperwork but they never did it for her - I dunno why. So each year she had to fill out this little form - it was no big deal and as far as I could tell they didn't do anything with them (maybe that's why they discontinued them) - not once were we ever contacted by anyone from INS. It was just another piece of routine government paperwork like your car registration renewal or your dog license and carried about the same level of emotion (none). I guess the idea was that if there was ever a war or something and they needed to round up all the enemy aliens they would know where to find them but since there was never a war they just filled up some huge warehouse with these cards and did nothing with them.

    But now I know that sending that card in was really a humiliation. I have to call my sister up and tell her to be retroactively humiliated and angry and to hate Trump and America because she used to have to fill out those cards.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Memories-of-an-annual-humiliation-10778814.php

    IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic

    Like you, I thought until recently that it was automatic, but it is not.

    When my wife recently obtained her citizenship, we were under the impression that my step daughter would automatically get US citizenship with her.

    She inquired about citizenship for her daughter who lives with us and has a green card, and it is necessary to complete a form, apply online, and pay $1170. This is what she was told at USCIS on the day of her naturalization ceremony, and they even gave her the paper version of the required form. The form is N-600.

    So that is hardly automatic. You have to apply, and you have to pay a lot of money. I am sure that for this reason many minors who are eligible for citizenship do not obtain it, because the parents cannot pay for it.

    We have not yet started the application for her as she does not need a new passport until next year, but I fully expect that they will be asking for all kinds of documentation just the same as for any other citizenship application, even though she already has a Green Card and they already have all the documentation showing the relationship from the time when she was granted her entry visa and Green Card.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Yeah, that's what I figured - there must have been a cost associated with it and papers to fill out which would have required more cost since they were not that good at filling out papers in English. And a kid doesn't need a passport, etc. so they just never bothered. I don't think they could have deported my sister before she got her citizenship even if she had committed a crime because she was a stateless person. Not that she ever got so much as a speeding ticket.
  142. @Jack D
    Just yesterday I was listening to something on NPR that was a history of school integration told from the Leftist POV (but presented as being just history). I have to say it was very effective propaganda - I found myself wanting to be on the side of the "good guys" and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.

    They were tut-tutting over the 5-4 Supreme court decision on school busing in Detroit which came out 45 years ago this week (Milliken v. Bradley) and noted pointedly that 4 of the 5 votes came from Nixon appointed justices. Had the other side prevailed then school district lines would have meant nothing and the suburban school districts outside of Detroit (and all the suburbs of the US) would have been forced to bus some of their white kids into the city and the black kids would have been bused over to the Magic Dirt of the suburbs.

    In this piece, it was taken as a given that the presence of white people would automatically be beneficial to blacks (and there was no consideration of whether vice versa would be detrimental to whites). In their alternate universe, if the decision had gone the other way then the magical presence of whites would have uplifted the blacks of Detroit and poverty would have disappeared. In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also - either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different - rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also – either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different – rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.

    Good comment Jack.

    I’d thought through this a few times before, so before i even got to your last paragraph i’d already had the thought that that alternative reality might have been better.

    What actually happened in the 70s and 80s–and then with crime in the 90s–is that “the great silent majority” counter revolution stopped the worst excesses of minoritarianism from being visited.

    However, it was a preferential stoppage. Basically it was stopped from really screwing up the lives of well-to-doish good-whites … so that they never had to face the crappification of their leafy suburb or their precious NYC. But the deplorables had it rammed up their ass.

    We might well have been better off if these assholes had had some “diversity” rammed up their asses good and hard. Then our political conversation would be improved.

    Trump needs to get on this now and get those refugee detention centers setup on the Upper West Side, Upper East Side, Chappaqua, Park Slope, Georgetown, the priciest D.C. suburbs, Cambridge, Highland Park, San Francisco, Palo Alto, Beverly Hills, Westwood, Santa Monica, etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Lot
    On the empirical question of whether the harms of diversity harm Red or Blue team whites more... I don’t think there is a clear or easy answer.

    You list as “insulated”:

    -Park Slope, SF, Cambridge, Santa Monica-

    Lots of nam street crime, homelessness and general disorder of public spaces, ruined public school systems that local goodwhites pay $20,000 a student for but rarely attend.

    -Georgetown, Westwood-

    Less dangerous, but still high taxes without good public services.

    -the priciest D.C. suburbs-

    A mixed bag that includes some GOP areas.

    —Palo Alto, Beverly Hills—

    Separate high quality school districts and very good location within a giant metro = ultrahigh housing prices. But the percentage of the population, or even the blue team white population, that live in such towns is tiny, under 1%.

    (Contrary to TV, Beverly Hills is not all giant mansions. It has lots of high end condos, small crappy but fairly expensive apartments, and medium to large houses on smallish 1/6 acre lots.)

    Looking at Red Team whites, they seem in general to suffer less. They live in more distant suburbs, and their state, county and local taxes are lower. Even for inner-suburbs, conservative-ish Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes are much more isolated from NAM dysfunction than far-left Santa Monica despite being roughly the same income level and housing price.

    The left-behind whites in central cities and degraded old suburbs are apolitical mostly, and not really strongly for any party when they do vote. 2016 was unique in that this demographic swung hard GOP by a for the first time. Example: Mahoning County OH is 80% non-hispanic white and voted 35% for Romney and 46% for Trump.
    , @SFG
    NYC was pretty dangerous from the 70s through the early 90s (Rudy Giuliani was the first person I ever voted for--I literally registered at 18 to keep Ruth Messinger from f***ing up the city again).

    The suburbs, yeah. I wouldn't be too surprised if there's a big counterreaction once busing becomes an issue again.

    I expect the polls to underestimate Trump support again. Whether it will be enough, who knows?

  143. @Lurker

    rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (Maybe its just me but I feel 'bused' should be spelled 'bussed' and 'busing' as 'bussing')

    (Maybe its just me but I feel ‘bused’ should be spelled ‘bussed’ and ‘busing’ as ‘bussing’)

    Until 1970 or so, people were still undecided, though ‘busing’ was the more common spelling.


    The blue line in the chart is ‘busing’.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Thanks, at last I know it's not just me.
  144. That’s me. I stand with every Jew who has begun to say loudly and directly that “never again” is now. …

    As I’ve said before, one can always get a good handle on both morality and motive by asking the “separation?” or “opt out?” question.

    I am absolutely positively perfectly willing to let David Ulin–and all the other Jews who insult me everyday, and all their stupid virtue signaling gentile fellow travelers–live with their refugees, their illegals, their Somalis and as many more immigrants as they want. It’s a big country and these people can have their piece to do with as they please.

    But I am not Dave Ulin’s serf. The common Jewish attitude is that they own us stupid flyover country hayseeds and we exist to be exploited as they see fit. Same attitude as the commies–we own you. Same attitude as all the parasites down through history. Ulin and his ilk are just much worse, because they are not content being parasites, but are actively working to destroy my nation, my race, my civilization.

    Sorry … but fuck you! You don’t own me. You don’t own my labor. You don’t own my life. You don’t own the nation my ancestors–not yours, mine–built.

    You want to live in rainbowtopia, Dave–great. Propose having an open borders rainbowtopia “nation”, propagandize for it, organize your followers, we can have a vote and split up.

    But quit trying to kill my nation, genocide me and my people. Or we’ve got a problem.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @anon
    All reasoning and honest men want government by the consent of the governed.
    Democracy, the rule of law, majority rule, the consent of the governed.
    This is why Steve's "Citizenship" priniciple is the right way to go.
    Race is a factor, but a subordinate factor. A racial mix heavy on blacks cannot sustain a democracy. A racial mix heavy on hispanics is a long shot. Other racial mixes may still work.
    Separation will not work because no new border line you draw will be respected. You only postpone to another day the final showdown.
    A victorious majority can deport those who do not belong.
    Deport illegals and you solve the hispanic (and other) mix problems.
    Deport criminals and you solve the black mix problem.
    Deport traitors and you solve the liberal and jewish mix problem.
    Fight for majority rule, and you are fighting for secure borders and national identity.
    Fight for majority rule, and let race take care of itself.
    "Consent of the governed" may not be a blood inspiring battle cry. But it should be our guiding star.
    , @SFG
    I suspect if you wanted to cut some sort of a deal where only white gentiles could live in, say, five big square states out in the Midwest you wouldn't see huge opposition once things started to get hairy.

    Of course, wars have a way of spinning out of control once they get started.
  145. @Anonymous

    I have to say it was very effective propaganda – I found myself wanting to be on the side of the “good guys” and if I was a weak minded sheeple they would have won me over with their compelling presentation of the story.
     
    What techniques did they use that you can you identify?

    What techniques did they use that you can you identify?

    Slanting a documentary is like shooting fish in a barrel since you literally control all of the substantive information presented, as well as the tone. You’d have to be incompetent not to push people in your favored direction.

    For example. You start by cherry-picking the facts and giving the pro-busing side in glowing tones. Some professor gets on camera and talks about his study of the evils of segregation and its damage to self-esteem. Some mother of a black child gets on camera to say how she just wanted her child to have the same opportunity as everyone else. Some earnest lawyer or activist gets on camera to talk about how hard their team worked for “justice.”

    Hopeful, “march of progress” type music plays in the back. The narrator’s voice goes into a slightly higher register and a quicker cadence, implying that these are the good people and right ideas moving forward for the betterment of all.

    Things are looking good. They’ve got a plan. It’s almost about to happen but . . . the opposition appears. Some white people are standing in the way. They form a committee to block the progress. Cue B-roll footage of a handful of white people looking angry and holding signs, with indistinct angry mumbling sounds in the background. Anxious music plays.

    The narrator’s voice drops an octave and slows down. Something feels ominous. He very briefly mentions their “side” of the issue. From the footage chosen, they mention parochial and selfish concerns about “their” neighborhoods and “their” kids. Not evil people, but clearly ignorant of the bigger picture and narrow-minded. We won’t dwell on their concerns for long. We can see what they are about.

    And so it goes . . . Votes and court decisions happen. Some stuff changes but not nearly enough.

    In the ending restrospective scene, the good people reflect that they accomplished a lot, but the real opportunity for transformative change was thwarted. So close . . . and yet so far. If only people could put their prejudice and self-interest aside for the greater good . . . Oh well, I guess that’s why we keep on fighting. Hopeful music swells, and the narrator recaps in a poignant tone.

    By now you know precisely who was “good” and who was “bad” and how you are supposed to feel about the issue in the future. “This documentary was so informative, you think.”

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jack D
    This was on the radio and there was no background music, but you got the general thrust of it.
  146. @L Woods

    Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this – all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.
     
    It's not pity that motivates them, but glee that a piece of moral cover has emerged with which they can further beat their enemies into the ground.

    It’s not pity that motivates them, but glee that a piece of moral cover has emerged with which they can further beat their enemies into the ground.

    Exactly. I don’t disagree with Jack’s point about this demand that we turn off the rational part of our brains. That’s spot on.

    But these viginettes are just propaganda stunts. The good thinkers–a few clueless young white girls (misdirected nurturing instinct) excepted–do not give a flying rats ass these people. If they did they’d be concentrating on the sort of intensive solutions–starting with birth control, moving on to workable infrastructure and economic development questions–that could be done to make their home countries more pleasant.

    These folks essentially no interest in those questions. This is entirely about virtue signalling and most importantly sticking it to deplorables by flooding them with POC.

  147. @Jonathan Mason

    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement – a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).
     
    I was a resident alien in the US from 1986 to 2001, when I obtained citizenship, and I do not recall ever filling out this form, or even knowing about the need to do so. I think perhaps you were supposed to give a notification of a change of address.

    I was a resident alien in the US from 1986 to 2001, when I obtained citizenship, and I do not recall ever filling out this form, or even knowing about the need to do so. I think perhaps you were supposed to give a notification of a change of address.

    AnotherMom’s an immigrant and i don’t remember any such card. Just asked her and she doesn’t either. Which is not to say it didn’t exist … it’s been a long time since she got her citizenship.

  148. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prodigal son
    It seems the leftist push for open borders is mostly due to animosity against whites. Allowing millions of Latin Americans into the United States is not in the interests of African Americans. Yet Blacks oppose immigration restrictions and want to see whites become a minority , although open borders will reduce Blacks political power (one benefit to our quasi open border with Latin America has been a reduction in the political power of Blacks)

    While open borders may be in the ethnic self interest of Hispanics and Asians. The wealthy , elite Americans benefit economically by keeping our borders open. This is why nothing has been done to reduce immigration. The rich want more immigration, thus the GOP establishment seeks amnesty and increased immigration while the non-whites also seek amnesty and open borders to increase their power and reduce the political power of the deplorables.

    It seems the leftist push for open borders is mostly due to animosity against whites. Allowing millions of Latin Americans into the United States is not in the interests of African Americans. Yet Blacks oppose immigration restrictions and want to see whites become a minority , although open borders will reduce Blacks political power (one benefit to our quasi open border with Latin America has been a reduction in the political power of Blacks)

    Average Blacks are too dumb to understand this, and will vote how their Big Man instructs them to. The Big Men are paid or coerced to hew the party line.

  149. @Anon7
    “The Final Solution, however, did not emerge full-on but incrementally. It was implemented in 1941, but its roots lie in Hitler’s anti-Jewish policies in the early 1930s — the normalization of discrimination and hate speech, then the detention and the stripping away of rights. Sound familiar? Remembering the progression makes it all the more important that we use the right words to describe what we are seeing, in real time....” - from the referenced article

    The Final Solution? Really? This mentally ill Jewish guy thinks that America is going to gas and incinerate millions of illegals? I hope there’s a rabbi somewhere who can talk this guy off the ledge. Also, the editor who approved this inflammatory article should be schooled about this kind of content.

    More to the point:

    Hell, yeah, it sounds familiar! It’s what’s been being done to men; Christians; Europeans (including the diaspora); Americans (including Negroes); sexually normal people (i.e. “heterosexuals” and “cis-gendered” people); conservationists (those who actually care about pollution, overpopulation, and such); the law-abiding; the socially responsible; and the talented (those attaining position via merit) for at least fifty years.

    The Man cries out in pain as he strikes you.

  150. We are now enjoying what may well be the final days of freedom this nation will enjoy for many decades

    I’m enjoying it the way I enjoy the last potato chip in the bag.

  151. @Jonathan Mason

    IIRC she was eligible for citizenship as the minor child of naturalized citizens but the process was not (then) automatic
     
    Like you, I thought until recently that it was automatic, but it is not.

    When my wife recently obtained her citizenship, we were under the impression that my step daughter would automatically get US citizenship with her.

    She inquired about citizenship for her daughter who lives with us and has a green card, and it is necessary to complete a form, apply online, and pay $1170. This is what she was told at USCIS on the day of her naturalization ceremony, and they even gave her the paper version of the required form. The form is N-600.

    So that is hardly automatic. You have to apply, and you have to pay a lot of money. I am sure that for this reason many minors who are eligible for citizenship do not obtain it, because the parents cannot pay for it.

    We have not yet started the application for her as she does not need a new passport until next year, but I fully expect that they will be asking for all kinds of documentation just the same as for any other citizenship application, even though she already has a Green Card and they already have all the documentation showing the relationship from the time when she was granted her entry visa and Green Card.

    Yeah, that’s what I figured – there must have been a cost associated with it and papers to fill out which would have required more cost since they were not that good at filling out papers in English. And a kid doesn’t need a passport, etc. so they just never bothered. I don’t think they could have deported my sister before she got her citizenship even if she had committed a crime because she was a stateless person. Not that she ever got so much as a speeding ticket.

  152. @Jonathan Mason

    Prior to 2003, any non-US citizen living in the US had to send in alien registration form annually. This was a minor bureaucratic requirement – a little post card with your name and address that you had to bring to the nearest post office once a year (I think in the days before an all encompassing Federal government the post office was the only Federal presence in many towns. The post office was also where you would apply for a US passport for the same reason).
     
    I was a resident alien in the US from 1986 to 2001, when I obtained citizenship, and I do not recall ever filling out this form, or even knowing about the need to do so. I think perhaps you were supposed to give a notification of a change of address.

    I’m not sure what year they abolished the annual alien registration. I thought it was 2003 but it could have been much earlier. During the 1960s it was in effect but I don’t know about after that.

  153. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Practical Conservative
    Nah, homeschooling would have ended up being converted into a serious alternative education system and credentialing pipeline rather than what actually happened with it (reinforcing the status quo so well that liberals are rushing to take it over).

    Nah, homeschooling would have ended up being converted into a serious alternative education system and credentialing pipeline rather than what actually happened with it (reinforcing the status quo so well that liberals are rushing to take it over).

    What “actually happened” with homeschooling? Liberals are rushing to take it over??

    • Replies: @Jesse
    Conservatives talk about homeschooling as a way to escape the fact that they completely lost public education. They like to point to test scores while completely ignoring demographics. Meanwhile, most real life Americans revere public education, even if they feel like they can't personally avail.
  154. @Hypnotoad666

    What techniques did they use that you can you identify?
     
    Slanting a documentary is like shooting fish in a barrel since you literally control all of the substantive information presented, as well as the tone. You'd have to be incompetent not to push people in your favored direction.

    For example. You start by cherry-picking the facts and giving the pro-busing side in glowing tones. Some professor gets on camera and talks about his study of the evils of segregation and its damage to self-esteem. Some mother of a black child gets on camera to say how she just wanted her child to have the same opportunity as everyone else. Some earnest lawyer or activist gets on camera to talk about how hard their team worked for "justice."

    Hopeful, "march of progress" type music plays in the back. The narrator's voice goes into a slightly higher register and a quicker cadence, implying that these are the good people and right ideas moving forward for the betterment of all.

    Things are looking good. They've got a plan. It's almost about to happen but . . . the opposition appears. Some white people are standing in the way. They form a committee to block the progress. Cue B-roll footage of a handful of white people looking angry and holding signs, with indistinct angry mumbling sounds in the background. Anxious music plays.

    The narrator's voice drops an octave and slows down. Something feels ominous. He very briefly mentions their "side" of the issue. From the footage chosen, they mention parochial and selfish concerns about "their" neighborhoods and "their" kids. Not evil people, but clearly ignorant of the bigger picture and narrow-minded. We won't dwell on their concerns for long. We can see what they are about.

    And so it goes . . . Votes and court decisions happen. Some stuff changes but not nearly enough.

    In the ending restrospective scene, the good people reflect that they accomplished a lot, but the real opportunity for transformative change was thwarted. So close . . . and yet so far. If only people could put their prejudice and self-interest aside for the greater good . . . Oh well, I guess that's why we keep on fighting. Hopeful music swells, and the narrator recaps in a poignant tone.

    By now you know precisely who was "good" and who was "bad" and how you are supposed to feel about the issue in the future. "This documentary was so informative, you think."

    This was on the radio and there was no background music, but you got the general thrust of it.

  155. Anonymous[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Three days later, Shuen emailed Brown. “I have done a great deal of soul-searching since Thursday and can now see the seriousness of my mistakes,” he wrote. “So I write in a spirit of sincere remorse and full responsibility for what I have done. You were right to warn me before, and I do not blame you for calling the disciplinary hearing, which I deserved. I have no desire or intention to fight the hospital’s ruling.” He asked for six months to care for his current load of patients, promising to stop taking on new ones and to retire when the period was up. “If you sense that there might be such a possibility, for the sake of my patients and maybe in recognition of the good I have done over the years in spite of my mistakes, please let me know how I might proceed.”

    I can practically hear the Chinese accent - or that Andrew Yangish Chinese way of talking - in the bolded words. Experience.

    As Nathan Birnbaum said, "sincerity - if you can fake that, you've got it made" - generally universal but particularly and awfully Asian.

    I can practically hear the Chinese accent – or that Andrew Yangish Chinese way of talking – in the bolded words. Experience.

    What typifies Yang’s accent?

  156. @Jack D
    This is wrong. Any human has to feel sorry for a grieving mother who has just lost her child (even if she is partly to blame).

    The problem is that you have to separate your emotions from your rational mind and base policy only on the latter. Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this - all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over. You can't base policy on iconic photos but this is exactly how we have been forming policy in the last 50 years and it's a ridiculous way to do it.

    But to say that you don't feel sorry for these people - that's cold. They're human. Doesn't mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.

    esp. of the female type,

    Weren’t you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.

    all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.

    Jack why don’t remind us (((who))) gets ro decide whose dead babies get shown on TV.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Here's a CNN photo editor that you probably like:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-photo-editor-called-jews-pigs-and-praised-their-deaths-in-old-tweets

    Strange that such a man could get a job with our (((who))) controlled media, no?
    , @Mr. Anon
    Commenter Jack D called you an anti-semite. Well there you go - an irrefutable argument. End of discussion. You must just be a bad person.

    It's getting to be a rather stale act, isn't it?
    , @AnotherDad

    Weren’t you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.
     
    Kids, kids! Ever stop and think that both of you are right?

    That there is both a "Jewish problem" and a "woman problem".

    In fact there are a lot of element to the current crisis in the West:

    1) Jewish minoritarianism
    Jews prefer "diverse"--balkanized--countries, without a coherent majority, which are more open and penetrable and exploitable by Jews. And prefer anti-republican, elite control--they can manage--to majority rule. (Court or bureaucratic decrees in preference to elections.) And Jews have intensely and relentlessly pushed an effective minoritarian--minorities good, majorities bad--propaganda, including immigrationism, from Hollyweird, news media, academia, government, finance, corporations ... to achieve this in the West.

    2) The woman problem.
    a) Female herd following--narrative compliance--misplaced nurturing--especially with missing fertility--and feelings based, anti-rational politics. Basically making them suckers for minoritarian sob stories.
    b) Jewish 2+ wave minoritarian--women are oppressed by men--feminism. The thrust being essentially socialist--women are owed stuff by men, without doing anything for men--and anchoring them in the coalition of the fringes.

    3) The super state.
    Minoritarianism--inc. immigrationism--provides more clients for the state, more voters for left coalition of the fringes. Plus more natural contention/conflict for the state to manage. ("Diversity is the health of the state.") Plus more balkanization of coherent productive free majority that could resist the state.

    4) Business/capitalism.
    a) Finance/multi-national business globalism--free movement of money, goods, people with minimal interferance.
    b) Small businesses that are in beggar-thy-neighbor commodity competition and use lots of low skilled labor--ag, construction, hospitality. (They don't gain from immigrationism, but they can't stop using themselves if the other guy is using.)

    5) Christian universalism.
    Christianity is inherently a universal religion. Everyone is a child of God. Everyone needs saving. Of course, nothing about it says "open borders" or "everyone is entitled to move anywhere"--that's just a Christian hersey. But it's there. So we have "show off" Christians do "refugee resettlement"--actually imposing/dumping costs on their neighbors--as their "Christian duty" or these bozos who insist on curtailing their own fertility ... then raising some African cuckoo.

    6) Post-Christian virtue signalling.
    Lots of post-Christian white gentiles, now absent their historic/normal religious tradition as psychological/social anchor, *know* that they are "good people" by rabidly signalling their compliance with the Jewish minoritarian narrative. In fact--again lacking the traditional religious or deep cultural/community anchor--their very identity is that they are "good whites", rather than bad, deplorable whites. Basically they've psychologically defected to the Jewish side, they aren't part of their nations, but see themselves--deluded or not--as part of a transnational elite that is not part of their nation, but over and above, transcending it.

    ~~~

    Finally, underlying all these problems is simply that Western European gentiles are--genetically and culturally--the most open people in the world with the highest affective empathy. We're the non-tribal, neighborly, marry-the-girl-next-door people. Which was great for building strong cohesive nation-states at scale. But makes isn't something we can just flick a switch and turn off, so has made us easy to roll by more tribal interlopers--the Jews, and non-Western immigrants.

    We're simply going to have to realize that our non-tribal neighborly behavior evolved for use only amongst ourselves and is only adaptive when it's directed at people like us who are neighborly back. It does not scale out to dealing with all the people in the world.
  157. This week’s LA Jewish Journal has a big article comparing the detention centers at the border to the holofraud and praising some activist Jews who go to the order and demonstrate in favor of letting the detainees out into America

    There’s also a lot of S California jews identifying with the Japanese enemy in WW2 because American Japanese were also detained.

  158. @Jesse
    This is why conservatives should be against school vouchers. It destroys any ability of white parents to control who gets into their kids' schools.

    Totally agree. It’s just an excuse to bus blacks and browns into White schools.

  159. @peterike

    At least one survived because I saw an interview with a Sudanese woman on BBC. Her 7 year old child had drowned. She was of course distraught (compelling TV – you have to feel sorry for her)

     

    I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for her. I'm only sorry she didn't drown along with the rest of them.

    She probably threw the kid overboard hoping to save herself. No sympathy.

  160. @snorlax
    "Bust" and "busty."

    https://dynamicmedia.zuza.com/zz/m/original_/4/2/4260723b-8994-4e91-82ba-e9f96b955466/df0c6ba94b9fa7ce7873d85c1a4c_Gallery.jpg

    I have to leave now, I’ve got a bust to catch.

  161. @PiltdownMan

    (Maybe its just me but I feel ‘bused’ should be spelled ‘bussed’ and ‘busing’ as ‘bussing’)
     
    Until 1970 or so, people were still undecided, though 'busing' was the more common spelling.


    https://i.imgur.com/rMdJZaj.jpg

    The blue line in the chart is 'busing'.

    Thanks, at last I know it’s not just me.

  162. @eah
    Democrats Are Turning Immigration Into a Moral Ultimatum

    No kidding -- read the thread: he could cure cancer and they still wouldn't cut him any slack.

    https://twitter.com/ucmerced/status/1154134367553380355

    That’s a genocidal mob.

  163. @Jack D
    It sure as hell is, if your house is the one who has been blockbusted.

    People make fun of Russia, but the main goal of Goodwhites is to kill their neighbor's horse. If you desire to join the elite, there are two ways to increase your distance from the deplorable middle class whites who not so long ago lived a lifestyle not that inferior to yours. One is to increase your own wealth and perks and the other is to reduce that of your nearest competitors, the Badwhites.

    I hoped the ironic nature of my original response was obvious.

  164. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    That’s me. I stand with every Jew who has begun to say loudly and directly that “never again” is now. ...
     
    As I've said before, one can always get a good handle on both morality and motive by asking the "separation?" or "opt out?" question.

    I am absolutely positively perfectly willing to let David Ulin--and all the other Jews who insult me everyday, and all their stupid virtue signaling gentile fellow travelers--live with their refugees, their illegals, their Somalis and as many more immigrants as they want. It's a big country and these people can have their piece to do with as they please.

    But I am not Dave Ulin's serf. The common Jewish attitude is that they own us stupid flyover country hayseeds and we exist to be exploited as they see fit. Same attitude as the commies--we own you. Same attitude as all the parasites down through history. Ulin and his ilk are just much worse, because they are not content being parasites, but are actively working to destroy my nation, my race, my civilization.

    Sorry … but fuck you! You don't own me. You don't own my labor. You don't own my life. You don't own the nation my ancestors--not yours, mine--built.

    You want to live in rainbowtopia, Dave--great. Propose having an open borders rainbowtopia "nation", propagandize for it, organize your followers, we can have a vote and split up.

    But quit trying to kill my nation, genocide me and my people. Or we've got a problem.

    All reasoning and honest men want government by the consent of the governed.
    Democracy, the rule of law, majority rule, the consent of the governed.
    This is why Steve’s “Citizenship” priniciple is the right way to go.
    Race is a factor, but a subordinate factor. A racial mix heavy on blacks cannot sustain a democracy. A racial mix heavy on hispanics is a long shot. Other racial mixes may still work.
    Separation will not work because no new border line you draw will be respected. You only postpone to another day the final showdown.
    A victorious majority can deport those who do not belong.
    Deport illegals and you solve the hispanic (and other) mix problems.
    Deport criminals and you solve the black mix problem.
    Deport traitors and you solve the liberal and jewish mix problem.
    Fight for majority rule, and you are fighting for secure borders and national identity.
    Fight for majority rule, and let race take care of itself.
    “Consent of the governed” may not be a blood inspiring battle cry. But it should be our guiding star.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    Really? Show me a mixed country that didn't devolve into corruption and racial squabbles over power and resource allocation. You can't.
  165. @Anonymous

    Zach’s new genre of quantitative punditry makes do much sense one wonders why it hasn’t been done before.
     
    What is "quantitative punditry"?

    It’s a term I coined to describe Zach’s Tablet columns.

  166. @Jonathan Mason

    And why exactly would any of these people accept that kind of deal? All they have to do is make it across the borders into White countries and they are permanent residents.
     
    My suggestions are predicated on the idea that the economically developed nations would reach an agreement to revamp existing treaty obligations in favor of a new treaty that would have specific plans in place for dealing with the populations of countries where large numbers of people are being displaced and for dealing with the issues of government of those nations that are failing their populations.

    This would obviously negate any right to obtain permanent residency in a nation chosen by the refugee,which in turn might encourage refugees to stay put in their homelands and work for reform there, with the support of potential refugee-receiving nations.

    There might even be a need to carve out new nations where refugees can be placed. It was done for Israel, and there are plenty of tracts of underused land the size of Israel on the planet.

    Anyway, bottom line is that people do not usually leave home with small children unless their situation at home is pretty desperate, so it makes sense to perform a rigorous root cause analysis of why people up and leave the place where they were born and grew up and what could stop them from doing so, and the US is probably the nation that ought to take on a leadership role, particularly since it is probably the nation whose existence is most under threat.

    Anyway, bottom line is that people do not usually leave home with small children unless their situation at home is pretty desperate

    Yes, so TPTB would have us believe. Back here in the real world, however, if you learn of a way to get free everything for your poor family, you’ll grab it with all you’ve got.

    Poor people? The world has billions, with many more on the way. Many just find it easier to pretend than to deal with a difficult situation.

  167. @Tiny Duck
    Not true and you are ignorant

    Liberals love Black Men and they win in the sexual marketplace

    We are fighting against white supremacy and will show no mercy

    The thing is a white majority country face as trump a man who is a traitor and conspired with Russia to steal the election

    The mueller hearing confirmed it

    The article is senseless, there is no theoretical framework & it lacks external validity. Reads like an ideological rant, not science

    Is Leonard Pitts married to a white woman?

  168. @Cagey Beast
    OT?

    https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1154595674794745856?s=20

    Funny how leftists can find all kinds of useful things when they need them- boxes of ballots, constitutional penumbras, incriminating hard drives.

  169. @Prodigal son
    It seems the leftist push for open borders is mostly due to animosity against whites. Allowing millions of Latin Americans into the United States is not in the interests of African Americans. Yet Blacks oppose immigration restrictions and want to see whites become a minority , although open borders will reduce Blacks political power (one benefit to our quasi open border with Latin America has been a reduction in the political power of Blacks)

    While open borders may be in the ethnic self interest of Hispanics and Asians. The wealthy , elite Americans benefit economically by keeping our borders open. This is why nothing has been done to reduce immigration. The rich want more immigration, thus the GOP establishment seeks amnesty and increased immigration while the non-whites also seek amnesty and open borders to increase their power and reduce the political power of the deplorables.

    I suspect one of the reasons our elites passed amnesty in 1986 and push for open borders today is to reduce the political power of Blacks. If Immigration had remained at levels we had in the sixties , capped at 200,000 per year and no HiB visa program and no amnesty in 1986 we would have 50 million less hispanics in the United States and 15 million less Asians, but Blacks would be closer to 18% of the US population today instead of 13% of the population.

    The American Black population tripled from 1930 to 1990 , from 11 million to 30 million Blacks while the white population grew 67% from 110 million to 184 million whites.
    In 1930 there were 10 whites for every Black American. The ratio fell to 6 to 1 in 1990. Today the ratio is 4 to 1

    The ratio of Blacks to whites clearly indicates the most important demographic change in America over the last 70 years. We now have 45 million Blacks, and 195 Million Whites. The ratio is expected to be 180 million Whites and 60 million Blacks in 2045 , thus we will have just 3 whites per Black American in 25 years. But we will have an additional 40 million “white” hispanics in 2050 and 30 million more Asians to weaken Blacks political power.

  170. @Prodigal son
    I doubt there are even 85 million Straight white American males in the United States. The last census counted 95 million White males , but 5% are probably queers and another 5% do not consider themselves white (Arabs, Persians, North Africans etc...)

    Must be less than 70 million straight White European Christian males left in America. The white population peaked in 2014 and will continue to decline each year until none are left.

    The white population peaked in 2014 and will continue to decline each year until none are left.

    The liberal white population peaked in 2014 and will continue to decline each year until none are left. TFIFY.

  171. @Alfa158
    The open borders mania is also simple political self interest. Non-Whites will vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. Flood the US with enough of them and the US becomes, at least for a while, a one party political system. Democrats have seen this happen in places like California which once produced Reagan, and now is a state in which no Republican can win a state-wide election. With the open primary system the two candidates for an office in the general elections are Democrats.
    The demographic momentum means that the rest of the country is now on an irreversible course to becoming a single party system in less than a generation.
    The election of Trump has alarmed the Democrats by showing that there are still pockets of resistance, so the present open-borders mania is partly caused by a sense of urgency to accelerate the process.
    Of course borders will also complete the process of bankrupting the country and the one party system will not last and eventually fragment into factions competing for their share of the loot. The Demos seem to be willing to seize absolute power first and worry about those problems when they come to them.

    The demographic momentum means that the rest of the country is now on an irreversible course to becoming a single party system in less than a generation.

    No, it isn’t. This kind of “We are Doomed(tm)” arises from some kind of deterministic fatalism. If this is nothing we can do except wallow in self pity, well, then we can just sit back and grouse.

    Trump’s victory shows that things are not as bad as all you Eeyores claim.

    We will win. The open question is at what cost.

  172. @unit472
    As a kid in the early 1960's TV stations ran PSA. I remember two in particular. One was a jingle about wearing a seatbelt that advised 'For your driving safety always buckle up' the other was a far less light hearted warning that 'All Aliens in the United States' had to register by a certain date. Kennedy was still president I believe or, if not, LBJ had just assumed the office but the stentorian warning to aliens to report and register was of sufficient importance to the US government then as to require a TV ad campaign. Thing was in the Fairfax County, Virginia or that era this boy didn't know any 'aliens'. My father played chess with a Spanish guy who was a diplomat or something but we didn't have swarthy mestizo landscapers or restaurant workers back then. White teenagers held those jobs and, as for domestic help, there were stout black ladies from the District of the sort one sees now holding office as state legislators.
  173. @Johnny789
    Bus and buss are two different words. Although maybe we should start spelling in triplicate. Busssed and busssing. Really adds a zing, don't it?

    Buss is either archaic or slang. ‘Busing’ violates the principle of simplicity in pronunciation and precision in meaning. The two consonants are needed to remove the ambiguity of pronouncing the ‘u’ and busing should be a gerund or present participle of buse, not bus.

    This is the kind of nonsense that makes English a needlessly difficult language.

  174. Anon[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The first few chapters of Eric Kaufmann's White Shift trace the history of immigration thought back 200 years: really recommended. There is nothing new under the sun. The Greewich Village Young Intellectuals came up with the idea that "ethnic minorities shoiuld preserve themselves while the majority should dissolve itself" in the teens of the last century.

    OT

    A little late on this. Armenian all down the line:

    John Berberian, founder of Jons Market in California, died March 12, 2019, due to a heart attack.

    Funeral services are scheduled for 12:30 p.m. Friday, March 22, at St. Mary’s Church, 500 South Central Avenue, Glendale, California. Burial will be at God’s Acre, Forest Lawn-Hollywood Hills, 6300 Forest Lawn Drive, Los Angeles.

    A Hokejash (memorial luncheon) will be held at Taglyan Comples, 1201 Vine Street, Los Angeles.

    In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to Ararat Home (arathome.org) or Western Prelacy of the Armenian Church (westernprelacy.org).

    Mr. Berberian was the co-founder of Jons Marketplace, a family owned supermarket chain with 14 Southern California locations serving Los Angeles, Van Nuys, Glendale, West Hollywood, Winnetka, North Hollywood, Simi Valley, Westminster and Reseda. Since its founding in 1977, Jons has adapted to the changing demographics of the region and successfully competed and grown in the communities it serves.

    Mr. Berberian served on the boards of directors of Memorial Health Foundation, Campbell Hall High School and AGBU Manoogian Demirdjian School, and had served as city commissioner for the Department of Transportation for the City of Los Angeles. He also was a recipient of the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

    Mr. Berberian was first elected to the Unified Grocers Board of Directors in 1991.
     
    https://www.theshelbyreport.com/2019/03/21/funeral-services-planned-for-jons-market-founder/

    Agreed on White Shift. His coverage of the 1910’s – 1960’s, during which Cosmopolitanism replaced Protestantism as the dominant US religion, was eye-opening. The first third of the book should be required reading, since it deconstructs Cosmopolitanism for what it is — a religion, as opposed to a rational reaction to two world wars, as it is commonly portrayed.

  175. @J.Ross
    This but also tikkun olam lets them glory in their power and position themselves as fixing things, whereas tradition limits you and asks that you accept certain things. Imperfect comparison: the religious Jew in Defamation who says he's not worried about reprogramming the goyim because he has his hands full with being a religious Jew.

    Good point. Liberalism rejects the idea of a basic human nature and differences between genders, sexual orientations, race and ethnicities. There is no wrong other than “bigotry” towards an ever-growing list of certified victims. Orthodox Judaism teaches that there is a basic human nature and moral behavior, including proper relationships with and attitudes towards others.

    To use a different example, Mayor Buttplug is pandering to Blacks because there still is widespread disapproval of homosexuality among Blacks. In this case, Christianity acts as a limiting factor.

  176. As VDH says, there is no position to the left of that taken by virtually every Democrat candidate.

    Sanctimony cities’ active sabotage of the aliens with removal orders was a big mistake. Offering free health care to illegals is another huge mistake.

    The Dems are so far gone, I am much more concerned about perfidious Republicans at this point.

    Ed Cox, fired as GOP chair in NY after 10 disastrous and incompetent years, actively sabotaged Carl Paladino and Donald Trump, devoted follower of John McCain, classic old school Republican dipshit who tries to win elections by raising shitloads of money from his financial industry social circle but he can’t read a precinct map or add up votes.

    What’s Ed Cox’s new job? With the Trump reelection campaign, of course.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “after 10 disastrous and incompetent years”

    Carl P is much more to my liking, but NY GOP chair sounds like a job where failure is only a question of degree.

    Keeping the NY Senate in GOP/“independent democrat” hands for so long seems kind of impressive to me given the demographics and prior trends.
  177. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also – either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different – rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    Good comment Jack.

    I'd thought through this a few times before, so before i even got to your last paragraph i'd already had the thought that that alternative reality might have been better.

    What actually happened in the 70s and 80s--and then with crime in the 90s--is that "the great silent majority" counter revolution stopped the worst excesses of minoritarianism from being visited.

    However, it was a preferential stoppage. Basically it was stopped from really screwing up the lives of well-to-doish good-whites ... so that they never had to face the crappification of their leafy suburb or their precious NYC. But the deplorables had it rammed up their ass.

    We might well have been better off if these assholes had had some "diversity" rammed up their asses good and hard. Then our political conversation would be improved.

    Trump needs to get on this now and get those refugee detention centers setup on the Upper West Side, Upper East Side, Chappaqua, Park Slope, Georgetown, the priciest D.C. suburbs, Cambridge, Highland Park, San Francisco, Palo Alto, Beverly Hills, Westwood, Santa Monica, etc. etc.

    On the empirical question of whether the harms of diversity harm Red or Blue team whites more… I don’t think there is a clear or easy answer.

    You list as “insulated”:

    -Park Slope, SF, Cambridge, Santa Monica-

    Lots of nam street crime, homelessness and general disorder of public spaces, ruined public school systems that local goodwhites pay $20,000 a student for but rarely attend.

    -Georgetown, Westwood-

    Less dangerous, but still high taxes without good public services.

    -the priciest D.C. suburbs-

    A mixed bag that includes some GOP areas.

    —Palo Alto, Beverly Hills—

    Separate high quality school districts and very good location within a giant metro = ultrahigh housing prices. But the percentage of the population, or even the blue team white population, that live in such towns is tiny, under 1%.

    (Contrary to TV, Beverly Hills is not all giant mansions. It has lots of high end condos, small crappy but fairly expensive apartments, and medium to large houses on smallish 1/6 acre lots.)

    Looking at Red Team whites, they seem in general to suffer less. They live in more distant suburbs, and their state, county and local taxes are lower. Even for inner-suburbs, conservative-ish Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes are much more isolated from NAM dysfunction than far-left Santa Monica despite being roughly the same income level and housing price.

    The left-behind whites in central cities and degraded old suburbs are apolitical mostly, and not really strongly for any party when they do vote. 2016 was unique in that this demographic swung hard GOP by a for the first time. Example: Mahoning County OH is 80% non-hispanic white and voted 35% for Romney and 46% for Trump.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I agree. If busing had come to Philadelphia, the areas most affected would have been the blue leaning (Jewish and other ethnic) inner ring suburbs that sat directly across the city line and not the red leaning outer suburbs out in WASP horse country. These same ethnics had already been chased once out of their former city neighborhoods by the blockbusting of the '50s and '60s. The second time they would have just left for Florida or something or maybe moved across the river to NJ where the desegregators couldn't chase them across state lines.
  178. @Anonymous

    Nah, homeschooling would have ended up being converted into a serious alternative education system and credentialing pipeline rather than what actually happened with it (reinforcing the status quo so well that liberals are rushing to take it over).
     
    What "actually happened" with homeschooling? Liberals are rushing to take it over??

    Conservatives talk about homeschooling as a way to escape the fact that they completely lost public education. They like to point to test scores while completely ignoring demographics. Meanwhile, most real life Americans revere public education, even if they feel like they can’t personally avail.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Conservatives talk about homeschooling as a way to escape the fact that they completely lost public education. They like to point to test scores while completely ignoring demographics. Meanwhile, most real life Americans revere public education, even if they feel like they can’t personally avail.
     
    Thank you for your reply, but I do not follow. Neither the factual statements or the more psychological ones. Conservatives "lost public education"? What does that mean?
    , @The Practical Conservative
    Married suburban liberals have lost public education, too, that's why there's been a seismic shift in them pursuing homeschooling as an academic path to "good colleges".
  179. Lot says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    As VDH says, there is no position to the left of that taken by virtually every Democrat candidate.

    Sanctimony cities' active sabotage of the aliens with removal orders was a big mistake. Offering free health care to illegals is another huge mistake.

    The Dems are so far gone, I am much more concerned about perfidious Republicans at this point.

    Ed Cox, fired as GOP chair in NY after 10 disastrous and incompetent years, actively sabotaged Carl Paladino and Donald Trump, devoted follower of John McCain, classic old school Republican dipshit who tries to win elections by raising shitloads of money from his financial industry social circle but he can't read a precinct map or add up votes.

    What's Ed Cox's new job? With the Trump reelection campaign, of course.

    “after 10 disastrous and incompetent years”

    Carl P is much more to my liking, but NY GOP chair sounds like a job where failure is only a question of degree.

    Keeping the NY Senate in GOP/“independent democrat” hands for so long seems kind of impressive to me given the demographics and prior trends.

    • Replies: @SFG
    NY is rich. You can raise money for Republicans across the country. And it often pays to run candidates even in areas you're going to lose to avoid the embarassing situations with actual Nazis or other silly people taking advantage of the lack of candidates running to get the nomination.

    They often turn into social clubs for conservatives in liberal areas.

    Think about it--in the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump won 2,819,534 votes in New York City. Hillary got 4.5 million votes, of course, but that means you have almost 3 million people who are at least vaguely right of center in a very small geographic area.
  180. @Rosie

    esp. of the female type,
     
    Weren't you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.

    all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.
     
    Jack why don't remind us (((who))) gets ro decide whose dead babies get shown on TV.

    https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/06-2.jpg

    Here’s a CNN photo editor that you probably like:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-photo-editor-called-jews-pigs-and-praised-their-deaths-in-old-tweets

    Strange that such a man could get a job with our (((who))) controlled media, no?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Strange that such a man could get a job with our (((who))) controlled media, no?
     
    Yes, that one unusual case completely nullifies any countervailing facts. Like the fact that no MSM outlet ever notices - let alone questions - the influence of AIPAC. Or of people like Sheldon Adelson, or Haim Saban, or Norman Brahman, or any number of other wealthy influential zionists.

    Your right, Jack, the fact that a single anti-semitic arab managed to get an obscure, off-camera job at CNN is proof positive that us bad-thinking noticers are all just whack-jobs.
    , @Rosie
    True to form, you completely ignored my point about your glaring hypocrisy regarding stereotypes.

    But I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.
     
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html
  181. @Mr. Anon

    In the U.S., immigration has long been a social gospel as well a policy question;....
     
    No, it hasn't. It has only been "social gospel" to, and because of, people with names like "Zach Goldberg".

    @IHTG

    There’s nothing “troll-ey” about my comment at all. It is a perfectly reasonable observation.

  182. @Jack D
    This is wrong. Any human has to feel sorry for a grieving mother who has just lost her child (even if she is partly to blame).

    The problem is that you have to separate your emotions from your rational mind and base policy only on the latter. Dems and socialists, esp. of the female type, are unable to do this - all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over. You can't base policy on iconic photos but this is exactly how we have been forming policy in the last 50 years and it's a ridiculous way to do it.

    But to say that you don't feel sorry for these people - that's cold. They're human. Doesn't mean that they can or should come live in your country but you still have to feel sorry for their plight.

    Do you feel sorry for palestinian teenagers who have been shot by Israeli snipers in Gaza?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Sure, just as I feel sorry for the Ghost Dancers whose ghost shirts failed to protect them from American bullets or the Chinese Boxers brought down by same. It's always the young and naive that are led to their deaths by their own old and cynical leadership. The Hamas leadership that sends these youths to be slaughtered at the fence lives safely in luxury in Damascus.
  183. @Rosie

    esp. of the female type,
     
    Weren't you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.

    all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.
     
    Jack why don't remind us (((who))) gets ro decide whose dead babies get shown on TV.

    https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/06-2.jpg

    Commenter Jack D called you an anti-semite. Well there you go – an irrefutable argument. End of discussion. You must just be a bad person.

    It’s getting to be a rather stale act, isn’t it?

    • Agree: Rosie
  184. @Jack D
    Here's a CNN photo editor that you probably like:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-photo-editor-called-jews-pigs-and-praised-their-deaths-in-old-tweets

    Strange that such a man could get a job with our (((who))) controlled media, no?

    Strange that such a man could get a job with our (((who))) controlled media, no?

    Yes, that one unusual case completely nullifies any countervailing facts. Like the fact that no MSM outlet ever notices – let alone questions – the influence of AIPAC. Or of people like Sheldon Adelson, or Haim Saban, or Norman Brahman, or any number of other wealthy influential zionists.

    Your right, Jack, the fact that a single anti-semitic arab managed to get an obscure, off-camera job at CNN is proof positive that us bad-thinking noticers are all just whack-jobs.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Your right, Jack, the fact that a single anti-semitic arab managed to get an obscure, off-camera job at CNN is proof positive that us bad-thinking noticers are all just whack-jobs.
     
    He's probably been fired already.
  185. SFG says:
    @AnotherDad

    In reality what would have happened is that they would have driven all the whites out of the suburban public schools also – either the whites would have left for private schools or move to the exurbs that were too distant for busing even for Leftists. So the history of America would have been different – rather than just the inner core of Detroit and other big cities rotting, the inner core AND the inner suburbs would have rotted. Nowhere would have been safe from diversity. Untold trillions of property values would have been destroyed.
     
    Good comment Jack.

    I'd thought through this a few times before, so before i even got to your last paragraph i'd already had the thought that that alternative reality might have been better.

    What actually happened in the 70s and 80s--and then with crime in the 90s--is that "the great silent majority" counter revolution stopped the worst excesses of minoritarianism from being visited.

    However, it was a preferential stoppage. Basically it was stopped from really screwing up the lives of well-to-doish good-whites ... so that they never had to face the crappification of their leafy suburb or their precious NYC. But the deplorables had it rammed up their ass.

    We might well have been better off if these assholes had had some "diversity" rammed up their asses good and hard. Then our political conversation would be improved.

    Trump needs to get on this now and get those refugee detention centers setup on the Upper West Side, Upper East Side, Chappaqua, Park Slope, Georgetown, the priciest D.C. suburbs, Cambridge, Highland Park, San Francisco, Palo Alto, Beverly Hills, Westwood, Santa Monica, etc. etc.

    NYC was pretty dangerous from the 70s through the early 90s (Rudy Giuliani was the first person I ever voted for–I literally registered at 18 to keep Ruth Messinger from f***ing up the city again).

    The suburbs, yeah. I wouldn’t be too surprised if there’s a big counterreaction once busing becomes an issue again.

    I expect the polls to underestimate Trump support again. Whether it will be enough, who knows?

  186. @Jack D
    Here's a CNN photo editor that you probably like:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cnn-photo-editor-called-jews-pigs-and-praised-their-deaths-in-old-tweets

    Strange that such a man could get a job with our (((who))) controlled media, no?

    True to form, you completely ignored my point about your glaring hypocrisy regarding stereotypes.

    But I don’t care if Americans think we’re running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-oe-stein19-story.html

  187. SFG says:
    @AnotherDad

    That’s me. I stand with every Jew who has begun to say loudly and directly that “never again” is now. ...
     
    As I've said before, one can always get a good handle on both morality and motive by asking the "separation?" or "opt out?" question.

    I am absolutely positively perfectly willing to let David Ulin--and all the other Jews who insult me everyday, and all their stupid virtue signaling gentile fellow travelers--live with their refugees, their illegals, their Somalis and as many more immigrants as they want. It's a big country and these people can have their piece to do with as they please.

    But I am not Dave Ulin's serf. The common Jewish attitude is that they own us stupid flyover country hayseeds and we exist to be exploited as they see fit. Same attitude as the commies--we own you. Same attitude as all the parasites down through history. Ulin and his ilk are just much worse, because they are not content being parasites, but are actively working to destroy my nation, my race, my civilization.

    Sorry … but fuck you! You don't own me. You don't own my labor. You don't own my life. You don't own the nation my ancestors--not yours, mine--built.

    You want to live in rainbowtopia, Dave--great. Propose having an open borders rainbowtopia "nation", propagandize for it, organize your followers, we can have a vote and split up.

    But quit trying to kill my nation, genocide me and my people. Or we've got a problem.

    I suspect if you wanted to cut some sort of a deal where only white gentiles could live in, say, five big square states out in the Midwest you wouldn’t see huge opposition once things started to get hairy.

    Of course, wars have a way of spinning out of control once they get started.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I suspect if you wanted to cut some sort of a deal where only white gentiles could live in, say, five big square states out in the Midwest you wouldn’t see huge opposition once things started to get hairy.
     
    A few points to flesh my thinking out:

    1) I'd rather "just win" and get my nation back.
    As i've said before saying "separation" is most useful in counter "nation of immigrants" propaganda and exposing who is actually oppressing whom. Basically what we have now are the parasites demanding that the host lie back and think of Emma Lazarus.

    Once you point out that they are actually parasites and we are just fine without them ... you can start to turn people's brains around. People inherently have a bit of natural understanding of the dynamic of fairness. If we're able to live our lives just fine without you--without demanding anything from you--but you keep demanding stuff from us ... then you're actually the oppressor.


    2) I think the receptive audience here is much, much bigger than white gentiles.
    Basically the Jews/minoritarians/super-state/globalists/leftists have won the propaganda war. But i think it's a pretty "thin" win. Basically it consists of a police-statey ban on anyone daring to notice or speak about any ethnic issue.

    But i think most people in America are native born, actually value--to some degree--both the principles and the culture of traditional America. (Maybe i'm clueless.) They want the traditional "good stuff" of the "American dream". And once it's made clear to them that "nation of immigrants"ism a one-way ticket to the destruction of America and their kids' future, they'll reject it. And not just whites, but blacks and even Hispanic or Asian immigrants--who afterall came here precisely to live in this white created nation rather than what was on offer in their native land.


    3) I'm unconvinced they'll ever let us go easy.
    The minoritarian Democrats--Jews, blacks, feminists, super-staters, globalists, activists--their whole gig here in America is living large on top of this big rich white-gentile-created continental nation. These aren't people to say "ok that's fair" ... you go your way, we'll go ours."

    If we can't win this with reason--convince people that the minoritarian policy is destructive/genocidal--then we're really in for a bloodbath. The only upside is that if it really does get upside down into a true civil war, then i think we win. But they are not going to just let us go. Fairness is not their thing.

    ~~

    The main thing right now is to push back hard on the deluge of their rhetorical lies. Keep making clear what's going on, who is oppressing whom. I'm not oppressing David Ulin or his buddies one bit--i demand nothing from them, am quite, quite willing to live without seeing his ugly face. Rather it's David Ulin and his ilk who are oppressing me, demanding i be surrounded by and and smothered with "diversity". He and his ilk are the genocidal creeps, not me.
  188. SFG says:
    @Lot
    “after 10 disastrous and incompetent years”

    Carl P is much more to my liking, but NY GOP chair sounds like a job where failure is only a question of degree.

    Keeping the NY Senate in GOP/“independent democrat” hands for so long seems kind of impressive to me given the demographics and prior trends.

    NY is rich. You can raise money for Republicans across the country. And it often pays to run candidates even in areas you’re going to lose to avoid the embarassing situations with actual Nazis or other silly people taking advantage of the lack of candidates running to get the nomination.

    They often turn into social clubs for conservatives in liberal areas.

    Think about it–in the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump won 2,819,534 votes in New York City. Hillary got 4.5 million votes, of course, but that means you have almost 3 million people who are at least vaguely right of center in a very small geographic area.

  189. @Mr. Anon

    Strange that such a man could get a job with our (((who))) controlled media, no?
     
    Yes, that one unusual case completely nullifies any countervailing facts. Like the fact that no MSM outlet ever notices - let alone questions - the influence of AIPAC. Or of people like Sheldon Adelson, or Haim Saban, or Norman Brahman, or any number of other wealthy influential zionists.

    Your right, Jack, the fact that a single anti-semitic arab managed to get an obscure, off-camera job at CNN is proof positive that us bad-thinking noticers are all just whack-jobs.

    Your right, Jack, the fact that a single anti-semitic arab managed to get an obscure, off-camera job at CNN is proof positive that us bad-thinking noticers are all just whack-jobs.

    He’s probably been fired already.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    He has resigned. That either means that he resigned or that he "resigned".
  190. Anonymous[440] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    That would apply to most of the gentile White wealthy.

    Jewish belief explicitly holds that all nations are to be destroyed to pave the way for their Messianic Age of World rule. Its an individual matter as to what Jews are aware of this fact and which are not, but this is what their texts say and it must be assumed that Jewish adults know their religion. They are not owed the benefit of the doubt in terms of ignorance, especially given the fact that they act in accordance with this edict, and gentiles must learn to stem their willingness to absolve their plotting haters and destroyers because they wish to see them as good people.

    Jewish belief explicitly holds that all nations are to be destroyed to pave the way for their Messianic Age of World rule.

    Do you have a citation?

  191. Anonymous[440] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jesse
    Conservatives talk about homeschooling as a way to escape the fact that they completely lost public education. They like to point to test scores while completely ignoring demographics. Meanwhile, most real life Americans revere public education, even if they feel like they can't personally avail.

    Conservatives talk about homeschooling as a way to escape the fact that they completely lost public education. They like to point to test scores while completely ignoring demographics. Meanwhile, most real life Americans revere public education, even if they feel like they can’t personally avail.

    Thank you for your reply, but I do not follow. Neither the factual statements or the more psychological ones. Conservatives “lost public education”? What does that mean?

  192. @Mr. Anon
    Do you feel sorry for palestinian teenagers who have been shot by Israeli snipers in Gaza?

    Sure, just as I feel sorry for the Ghost Dancers whose ghost shirts failed to protect them from American bullets or the Chinese Boxers brought down by same. It’s always the young and naive that are led to their deaths by their own old and cynical leadership. The Hamas leadership that sends these youths to be slaughtered at the fence lives safely in luxury in Damascus.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    But is it a legitimate use of force to shoot at someone with a rifle, maiming or killing them, because they've approached your border fence to throw rocks?
  193. @Jesse
    Conservatives talk about homeschooling as a way to escape the fact that they completely lost public education. They like to point to test scores while completely ignoring demographics. Meanwhile, most real life Americans revere public education, even if they feel like they can't personally avail.

    Married suburban liberals have lost public education, too, that’s why there’s been a seismic shift in them pursuing homeschooling as an academic path to “good colleges”.

  194. @Lot
    On the empirical question of whether the harms of diversity harm Red or Blue team whites more... I don’t think there is a clear or easy answer.

    You list as “insulated”:

    -Park Slope, SF, Cambridge, Santa Monica-

    Lots of nam street crime, homelessness and general disorder of public spaces, ruined public school systems that local goodwhites pay $20,000 a student for but rarely attend.

    -Georgetown, Westwood-

    Less dangerous, but still high taxes without good public services.

    -the priciest D.C. suburbs-

    A mixed bag that includes some GOP areas.

    —Palo Alto, Beverly Hills—

    Separate high quality school districts and very good location within a giant metro = ultrahigh housing prices. But the percentage of the population, or even the blue team white population, that live in such towns is tiny, under 1%.

    (Contrary to TV, Beverly Hills is not all giant mansions. It has lots of high end condos, small crappy but fairly expensive apartments, and medium to large houses on smallish 1/6 acre lots.)

    Looking at Red Team whites, they seem in general to suffer less. They live in more distant suburbs, and their state, county and local taxes are lower. Even for inner-suburbs, conservative-ish Manhattan Beach and Palos Verdes are much more isolated from NAM dysfunction than far-left Santa Monica despite being roughly the same income level and housing price.

    The left-behind whites in central cities and degraded old suburbs are apolitical mostly, and not really strongly for any party when they do vote. 2016 was unique in that this demographic swung hard GOP by a for the first time. Example: Mahoning County OH is 80% non-hispanic white and voted 35% for Romney and 46% for Trump.

    I agree. If busing had come to Philadelphia, the areas most affected would have been the blue leaning (Jewish and other ethnic) inner ring suburbs that sat directly across the city line and not the red leaning outer suburbs out in WASP horse country. These same ethnics had already been chased once out of their former city neighborhoods by the blockbusting of the ’50s and ’60s. The second time they would have just left for Florida or something or maybe moved across the river to NJ where the desegregators couldn’t chase them across state lines.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Mayor Daley in Chicago did everything he could to keep the city de facto segregated by simply keeping the inner suburbs-primarily white ethnics-inside city boundaries. Chicago politics being what it kind-of-proudly is, King himself ran into a brick wall against the city machine in '66. Needless to say, the lakefront liberals didn't fare any better with busing, and by 1980, the issue was dead as a dodo. The city government could see what was happening to places like Detroit that were being subjected to the whims of the social engineers, and acted accordingly when the feds showed.

    (Such was the alienation from the New Left that they quietly abandoned abandoned ship in '72: they let the Republicans split votes within Cook County that year. I don't think that's happened in modern American political history before or since.)

    Part of the reason this all played out the way they did is because Chicago's blacks had no desire to ship their children off to visibly hostile and strange white neighborhoods, and the machine helped them with stuff that they actually cared about. As a result, Hizzoner only left office when he died. Ballot stuffing was more a matter of time-honored tradition than political necessity.

  195. @SFG
    I suspect if you wanted to cut some sort of a deal where only white gentiles could live in, say, five big square states out in the Midwest you wouldn't see huge opposition once things started to get hairy.

    Of course, wars have a way of spinning out of control once they get started.

    I suspect if you wanted to cut some sort of a deal where only white gentiles could live in, say, five big square states out in the Midwest you wouldn’t see huge opposition once things started to get hairy.

    A few points to flesh my thinking out:

    1) I’d rather “just win” and get my nation back.
    As i’ve said before saying “separation” is most useful in counter “nation of immigrants” propaganda and exposing who is actually oppressing whom. Basically what we have now are the parasites demanding that the host lie back and think of Emma Lazarus.

    Once you point out that they are actually parasites and we are just fine without them … you can start to turn people’s brains around. People inherently have a bit of natural understanding of the dynamic of fairness. If we’re able to live our lives just fine without you–without demanding anything from you–but you keep demanding stuff from us … then you’re actually the oppressor.

    2) I think the receptive audience here is much, much bigger than white gentiles.
    Basically the Jews/minoritarians/super-state/globalists/leftists have won the propaganda war. But i think it’s a pretty “thin” win. Basically it consists of a police-statey ban on anyone daring to notice or speak about any ethnic issue.

    But i think most people in America are native born, actually value–to some degree–both the principles and the culture of traditional America. (Maybe i’m clueless.) They want the traditional “good stuff” of the “American dream”. And once it’s made clear to them that “nation of immigrants”ism a one-way ticket to the destruction of America and their kids’ future, they’ll reject it. And not just whites, but blacks and even Hispanic or Asian immigrants–who afterall came here precisely to live in this white created nation rather than what was on offer in their native land.

    3) I’m unconvinced they’ll ever let us go easy.
    The minoritarian Democrats–Jews, blacks, feminists, super-staters, globalists, activists–their whole gig here in America is living large on top of this big rich white-gentile-created continental nation. These aren’t people to say “ok that’s fair” … you go your way, we’ll go ours.”

    If we can’t win this with reason–convince people that the minoritarian policy is destructive/genocidal–then we’re really in for a bloodbath. The only upside is that if it really does get upside down into a true civil war, then i think we win. But they are not going to just let us go. Fairness is not their thing.

    ~~

    The main thing right now is to push back hard on the deluge of their rhetorical lies. Keep making clear what’s going on, who is oppressing whom. I’m not oppressing David Ulin or his buddies one bit–i demand nothing from them, am quite, quite willing to live without seeing his ugly face. Rather it’s David Ulin and his ilk who are oppressing me, demanding i be surrounded by and and smothered with “diversity”. He and his ilk are the genocidal creeps, not me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The main thing right now is to push back hard on the deluge of their rhetorical lies. Keep making clear what’s going on, who is oppressing whom.
     
    How can one accomplish that?
  196. @Jack D
    I agree. If busing had come to Philadelphia, the areas most affected would have been the blue leaning (Jewish and other ethnic) inner ring suburbs that sat directly across the city line and not the red leaning outer suburbs out in WASP horse country. These same ethnics had already been chased once out of their former city neighborhoods by the blockbusting of the '50s and '60s. The second time they would have just left for Florida or something or maybe moved across the river to NJ where the desegregators couldn't chase them across state lines.

    Mayor Daley in Chicago did everything he could to keep the city de facto segregated by simply keeping the inner suburbs-primarily white ethnics-inside city boundaries. Chicago politics being what it kind-of-proudly is, King himself ran into a brick wall against the city machine in ’66. Needless to say, the lakefront liberals didn’t fare any better with busing, and by 1980, the issue was dead as a dodo. The city government could see what was happening to places like Detroit that were being subjected to the whims of the social engineers, and acted accordingly when the feds showed.

    (Such was the alienation from the New Left that they quietly abandoned abandoned ship in ’72: they let the Republicans split votes within Cook County that year. I don’t think that’s happened in modern American political history before or since.)

    Part of the reason this all played out the way they did is because Chicago’s blacks had no desire to ship their children off to visibly hostile and strange white neighborhoods, and the machine helped them with stuff that they actually cared about. As a result, Hizzoner only left office when he died. Ballot stuffing was more a matter of time-honored tradition than political necessity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    (Such was the alienation from the New Left that they quietly abandoned abandoned ship in ’72: they let the Republicans split votes within Cook County that year. I don’t think that’s happened in modern American political history before or since.)
     
    What happened exactly?
  197. Anonymous[440] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    I suspect if you wanted to cut some sort of a deal where only white gentiles could live in, say, five big square states out in the Midwest you wouldn’t see huge opposition once things started to get hairy.
     
    A few points to flesh my thinking out:

    1) I'd rather "just win" and get my nation back.
    As i've said before saying "separation" is most useful in counter "nation of immigrants" propaganda and exposing who is actually oppressing whom. Basically what we have now are the parasites demanding that the host lie back and think of Emma Lazarus.

    Once you point out that they are actually parasites and we are just fine without them ... you can start to turn people's brains around. People inherently have a bit of natural understanding of the dynamic of fairness. If we're able to live our lives just fine without you--without demanding anything from you--but you keep demanding stuff from us ... then you're actually the oppressor.


    2) I think the receptive audience here is much, much bigger than white gentiles.
    Basically the Jews/minoritarians/super-state/globalists/leftists have won the propaganda war. But i think it's a pretty "thin" win. Basically it consists of a police-statey ban on anyone daring to notice or speak about any ethnic issue.

    But i think most people in America are native born, actually value--to some degree--both the principles and the culture of traditional America. (Maybe i'm clueless.) They want the traditional "good stuff" of the "American dream". And once it's made clear to them that "nation of immigrants"ism a one-way ticket to the destruction of America and their kids' future, they'll reject it. And not just whites, but blacks and even Hispanic or Asian immigrants--who afterall came here precisely to live in this white created nation rather than what was on offer in their native land.


    3) I'm unconvinced they'll ever let us go easy.
    The minoritarian Democrats--Jews, blacks, feminists, super-staters, globalists, activists--their whole gig here in America is living large on top of this big rich white-gentile-created continental nation. These aren't people to say "ok that's fair" ... you go your way, we'll go ours."

    If we can't win this with reason--convince people that the minoritarian policy is destructive/genocidal--then we're really in for a bloodbath. The only upside is that if it really does get upside down into a true civil war, then i think we win. But they are not going to just let us go. Fairness is not their thing.

    ~~

    The main thing right now is to push back hard on the deluge of their rhetorical lies. Keep making clear what's going on, who is oppressing whom. I'm not oppressing David Ulin or his buddies one bit--i demand nothing from them, am quite, quite willing to live without seeing his ugly face. Rather it's David Ulin and his ilk who are oppressing me, demanding i be surrounded by and and smothered with "diversity". He and his ilk are the genocidal creeps, not me.

    The main thing right now is to push back hard on the deluge of their rhetorical lies. Keep making clear what’s going on, who is oppressing whom.

    How can one accomplish that?

  198. Anonymous[440] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    Mayor Daley in Chicago did everything he could to keep the city de facto segregated by simply keeping the inner suburbs-primarily white ethnics-inside city boundaries. Chicago politics being what it kind-of-proudly is, King himself ran into a brick wall against the city machine in '66. Needless to say, the lakefront liberals didn't fare any better with busing, and by 1980, the issue was dead as a dodo. The city government could see what was happening to places like Detroit that were being subjected to the whims of the social engineers, and acted accordingly when the feds showed.

    (Such was the alienation from the New Left that they quietly abandoned abandoned ship in '72: they let the Republicans split votes within Cook County that year. I don't think that's happened in modern American political history before or since.)

    Part of the reason this all played out the way they did is because Chicago's blacks had no desire to ship their children off to visibly hostile and strange white neighborhoods, and the machine helped them with stuff that they actually cared about. As a result, Hizzoner only left office when he died. Ballot stuffing was more a matter of time-honored tradition than political necessity.

    (Such was the alienation from the New Left that they quietly abandoned abandoned ship in ’72: they let the Republicans split votes within Cook County that year. I don’t think that’s happened in modern American political history before or since.)

    What happened exactly?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Daley getting the boot from the 1972 convention and being replaced by Jesse Jackson may have negatively impacted things in Chicago for the Dems. McGovern, to be fair, did try to patch things up in time for the general election by appointing an old Kennedy crony-Sargent Shriver-as VP after the Eagleton fiasco, but that wasn't enough.

    I don't think in and of itself: the whole affair impacted much: Nixon won 49 states that year. It's more what it symbolized, especially after the McGovern-Fraser reforms of 1970. The McGovern coalition would eventually bear fruit down the road in 2008 with Barack Obama perhaps epitomizing the liberal intellectual's ideal of "New America", but up until then, the Democrats went New Dem with Southern technocrats like Carter and Clinton during the years they won Presidential elections. (And even, Obama was far more economically right-wing, but then again, the largely UMC woke crowd of the Trump era is far more friendly with oligarchs than the media will ever admit.) How much they needed to do so is a matter of debate and will largely come down to where you are on economic policy, with neoliberals asserting it was necessary and populists disagreeing.

  199. • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    "America is the country under whose banner the descendants of slaves give military orders to the descendants of slave owners". I wonder if Bret Stephens would get an equally powerful tingle up his leg thinking about the descendants of serfs giving orders to the descendants of court Jews?
  200. @Rosie

    esp. of the female type,
     
    Weren't you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.

    all you have to do is show them a picture of a girl burned by napalm or a dead baby on a beach or a mother and child running away from tear gas or an Iraqi prisoner being tortured and the debate is over.
     
    Jack why don't remind us (((who))) gets ro decide whose dead babies get shown on TV.

    https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/06-2.jpg

    Weren’t you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.

    Kids, kids! Ever stop and think that both of you are right?

    That there is both a “Jewish problem” and a “woman problem”.

    In fact there are a lot of element to the current crisis in the West:

    1) Jewish minoritarianism
    Jews prefer “diverse”–balkanized–countries, without a coherent majority, which are more open and penetrable and exploitable by Jews. And prefer anti-republican, elite control–they can manage–to majority rule. (Court or bureaucratic decrees in preference to elections.) And Jews have intensely and relentlessly pushed an effective minoritarian–minorities good, majorities bad–propaganda, including immigrationism, from Hollyweird, news media, academia, government, finance, corporations … to achieve this in the West.

    2) The woman problem.
    a) Female herd following–narrative compliance–misplaced nurturing–especially with missing fertility–and feelings based, anti-rational politics. Basically making them suckers for minoritarian sob stories.
    b) Jewish 2+ wave minoritarian–women are oppressed by men–feminism. The thrust being essentially socialist–women are owed stuff by men, without doing anything for men–and anchoring them in the coalition of the fringes.

    3) The super state.
    Minoritarianism–inc. immigrationism–provides more clients for the state, more voters for left coalition of the fringes. Plus more natural contention/conflict for the state to manage. (“Diversity is the health of the state.”) Plus more balkanization of coherent productive free majority that could resist the state.

    4) Business/capitalism.
    a) Finance/multi-national business globalism–free movement of money, goods, people with minimal interferance.
    b) Small businesses that are in beggar-thy-neighbor commodity competition and use lots of low skilled labor–ag, construction, hospitality. (They don’t gain from immigrationism, but they can’t stop using themselves if the other guy is using.)

    5) Christian universalism.
    Christianity is inherently a universal religion. Everyone is a child of God. Everyone needs saving. Of course, nothing about it says “open borders” or “everyone is entitled to move anywhere”–that’s just a Christian hersey. But it’s there. So we have “show off” Christians do “refugee resettlement”–actually imposing/dumping costs on their neighbors–as their “Christian duty” or these bozos who insist on curtailing their own fertility … then raising some African cuckoo.

    6) Post-Christian virtue signalling.
    Lots of post-Christian white gentiles, now absent their historic/normal religious tradition as psychological/social anchor, *know* that they are “good people” by rabidly signalling their compliance with the Jewish minoritarian narrative. In fact–again lacking the traditional religious or deep cultural/community anchor–their very identity is that they are “good whites”, rather than bad, deplorable whites. Basically they’ve psychologically defected to the Jewish side, they aren’t part of their nations, but see themselves–deluded or not–as part of a transnational elite that is not part of their nation, but over and above, transcending it.

    ~~~

    Finally, underlying all these problems is simply that Western European gentiles are–genetically and culturally–the most open people in the world with the highest affective empathy. We’re the non-tribal, neighborly, marry-the-girl-next-door people. Which was great for building strong cohesive nation-states at scale. But makes isn’t something we can just flick a switch and turn off, so has made us easy to roll by more tribal interlopers–the Jews, and non-Western immigrants.

    We’re simply going to have to realize that our non-tribal neighborly behavior evolved for use only amongst ourselves and is only adaptive when it’s directed at people like us who are neighborly back. It does not scale out to dealing with all the people in the world.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >Finally, underlying all these problems is simply that Western European gentiles are–genetically and culturally–the most open people in the world with the highest affective empathy.

    But that's a recent thing, though. I think if you were to ask someone around the time of the Taiping/Sepoy Rebellion whether the British and French were empathetic... similarly, if you were to ask someone around 1900 whether Islam was more aggressive than Christianity globally speaking, given the advanced capabilities of Western countries (with Europe was still the faith and the faith was Europe being the case in a way it isn't today) you'd get an answer that is very different from today. Things change. The world changes. There's no guarantee that Westerners will forever remain relatively empathetic to the rest of the world. Human nature is pretty damned invariant. I have no doubt that our descendants in 2100 will be dealing with very foreign issues to us.

    The kind of postmodern cosmopolitanism that is tellingly taking an increasingly-and disturbingly-religious overtone with a lot of Western elites, economic, political, and media, is an outlier in world history, no matter where in the world you look. It does not comport with human nature very well, and thus while powerful, is brittle. Even among our elites, I'd argue that tribalism is as strong as ever, it just isn't based on race or nationality anymore.

    , @Rosie

    Kids, kids! Ever stop and think that both of you are right?

     

    Yes, I have given it a great deal of thought, and we're not "both right." I'm right and he's wrong.

    2) The woman problem.
    a) Female herd following–narrative compliance–misplaced nurturing–especially with missing fertility–and feelings based, anti-rational politics. Basically making them suckers for minoritarian sob stories.
    b) Jewish 2+ wave minoritarian–women are oppressed by men–feminism. The thrust being essentially socialist–women are owed stuff by men, without doing anything for men–and anchoring them in the coalition of the fringes.
     
    1. Herd-following-narrative compliance

    This is only a problem because of hostile elite control of the media. It has been a strength in the past and can be again in the future. In other words, whether narrative compliance is good or bad depends on whether the narrative is good or bad.

    2. misplaced nurturing

    There is no misplaced nurturing. The media lies and tells us that armies of "children" are crossing the border. Why do you think they feel the need to lie? They feel the need to lie in order to avoid triggering maternal protective instincts.

    https://youtu.be/LVOpMzz8t20

    3. Feelings based, anti-rational politics.

    Rationality is not the solution to our problems.

    To the contrary, what we need is more sentimentality. That's what patriotism is. Hyperrationality got us into this mess. In the graph below, who has stronger feelings of White solidarity?

    https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/WN-Survey.png?w=640

    https://youtu.be/AEBUNtbkea4

  201. @Anonymous

    (Such was the alienation from the New Left that they quietly abandoned abandoned ship in ’72: they let the Republicans split votes within Cook County that year. I don’t think that’s happened in modern American political history before or since.)
     
    What happened exactly?

    Daley getting the boot from the 1972 convention and being replaced by Jesse Jackson may have negatively impacted things in Chicago for the Dems. McGovern, to be fair, did try to patch things up in time for the general election by appointing an old Kennedy crony-Sargent Shriver-as VP after the Eagleton fiasco, but that wasn’t enough.

    I don’t think in and of itself: the whole affair impacted much: Nixon won 49 states that year. It’s more what it symbolized, especially after the McGovern-Fraser reforms of 1970. The McGovern coalition would eventually bear fruit down the road in 2008 with Barack Obama perhaps epitomizing the liberal intellectual’s ideal of “New America”, but up until then, the Democrats went New Dem with Southern technocrats like Carter and Clinton during the years they won Presidential elections. (And even, Obama was far more economically right-wing, but then again, the largely UMC woke crowd of the Trump era is far more friendly with oligarchs than the media will ever admit.) How much they needed to do so is a matter of debate and will largely come down to where you are on economic policy, with neoliberals asserting it was necessary and populists disagreeing.

  202. @Jack D
    Sure, just as I feel sorry for the Ghost Dancers whose ghost shirts failed to protect them from American bullets or the Chinese Boxers brought down by same. It's always the young and naive that are led to their deaths by their own old and cynical leadership. The Hamas leadership that sends these youths to be slaughtered at the fence lives safely in luxury in Damascus.

    But is it a legitimate use of force to shoot at someone with a rifle, maiming or killing them, because they’ve approached your border fence to throw rocks?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    We have seen what has happened at the US border. If you are not willing to protect your country's borders with force, then you really don't have a country any more.

    This goes double for Hamas - their goal is not just to "throw rocks" but to kill Israelis if possible and especially to kidnap some across the border to be held as hostages. The rock throwing is just supposed to be a diversion while Hamas fighters dash in and accomplish the real mission.
    , @Anonymous
    You have to have some contempt for people throwing rocks when they know throwing rocks will do no good and possibly get them shot. A revolutionary can only be respected when they either win or at least if killed they put up a valiant but credible attempt.

    I don't give a lot of care whether Palestine is populated by Arabic or Hebrew speakers, but stupidity is a capital offense everywhere.

    The IRA were bloodthirsty jokers, but at least they made the third largest nuclear power on planet buy them off.

    , @Jack Hanson
    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.
  203. @Rosie

    Your right, Jack, the fact that a single anti-semitic arab managed to get an obscure, off-camera job at CNN is proof positive that us bad-thinking noticers are all just whack-jobs.
     
    He's probably been fired already.

    He has resigned. That either means that he resigned or that he “resigned”.

    • LOL: Rosie
  204. @AnotherDad

    Weren’t you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.
     
    Kids, kids! Ever stop and think that both of you are right?

    That there is both a "Jewish problem" and a "woman problem".

    In fact there are a lot of element to the current crisis in the West:

    1) Jewish minoritarianism
    Jews prefer "diverse"--balkanized--countries, without a coherent majority, which are more open and penetrable and exploitable by Jews. And prefer anti-republican, elite control--they can manage--to majority rule. (Court or bureaucratic decrees in preference to elections.) And Jews have intensely and relentlessly pushed an effective minoritarian--minorities good, majorities bad--propaganda, including immigrationism, from Hollyweird, news media, academia, government, finance, corporations ... to achieve this in the West.

    2) The woman problem.
    a) Female herd following--narrative compliance--misplaced nurturing--especially with missing fertility--and feelings based, anti-rational politics. Basically making them suckers for minoritarian sob stories.
    b) Jewish 2+ wave minoritarian--women are oppressed by men--feminism. The thrust being essentially socialist--women are owed stuff by men, without doing anything for men--and anchoring them in the coalition of the fringes.

    3) The super state.
    Minoritarianism--inc. immigrationism--provides more clients for the state, more voters for left coalition of the fringes. Plus more natural contention/conflict for the state to manage. ("Diversity is the health of the state.") Plus more balkanization of coherent productive free majority that could resist the state.

    4) Business/capitalism.
    a) Finance/multi-national business globalism--free movement of money, goods, people with minimal interferance.
    b) Small businesses that are in beggar-thy-neighbor commodity competition and use lots of low skilled labor--ag, construction, hospitality. (They don't gain from immigrationism, but they can't stop using themselves if the other guy is using.)

    5) Christian universalism.
    Christianity is inherently a universal religion. Everyone is a child of God. Everyone needs saving. Of course, nothing about it says "open borders" or "everyone is entitled to move anywhere"--that's just a Christian hersey. But it's there. So we have "show off" Christians do "refugee resettlement"--actually imposing/dumping costs on their neighbors--as their "Christian duty" or these bozos who insist on curtailing their own fertility ... then raising some African cuckoo.

    6) Post-Christian virtue signalling.
    Lots of post-Christian white gentiles, now absent their historic/normal religious tradition as psychological/social anchor, *know* that they are "good people" by rabidly signalling their compliance with the Jewish minoritarian narrative. In fact--again lacking the traditional religious or deep cultural/community anchor--their very identity is that they are "good whites", rather than bad, deplorable whites. Basically they've psychologically defected to the Jewish side, they aren't part of their nations, but see themselves--deluded or not--as part of a transnational elite that is not part of their nation, but over and above, transcending it.

    ~~~

    Finally, underlying all these problems is simply that Western European gentiles are--genetically and culturally--the most open people in the world with the highest affective empathy. We're the non-tribal, neighborly, marry-the-girl-next-door people. Which was great for building strong cohesive nation-states at scale. But makes isn't something we can just flick a switch and turn off, so has made us easy to roll by more tribal interlopers--the Jews, and non-Western immigrants.

    We're simply going to have to realize that our non-tribal neighborly behavior evolved for use only amongst ourselves and is only adaptive when it's directed at people like us who are neighborly back. It does not scale out to dealing with all the people in the world.

    >Finally, underlying all these problems is simply that Western European gentiles are–genetically and culturally–the most open people in the world with the highest affective empathy.

    But that’s a recent thing, though. I think if you were to ask someone around the time of the Taiping/Sepoy Rebellion whether the British and French were empathetic… similarly, if you were to ask someone around 1900 whether Islam was more aggressive than Christianity globally speaking, given the advanced capabilities of Western countries (with Europe was still the faith and the faith was Europe being the case in a way it isn’t today) you’d get an answer that is very different from today. Things change. The world changes. There’s no guarantee that Westerners will forever remain relatively empathetic to the rest of the world. Human nature is pretty damned invariant. I have no doubt that our descendants in 2100 will be dealing with very foreign issues to us.

    The kind of postmodern cosmopolitanism that is tellingly taking an increasingly-and disturbingly-religious overtone with a lot of Western elites, economic, political, and media, is an outlier in world history, no matter where in the world you look. It does not comport with human nature very well, and thus while powerful, is brittle. Even among our elites, I’d argue that tribalism is as strong as ever, it just isn’t based on race or nationality anymore.

  205. @AnotherDad

    Weren’t you just kvetching about how unfair stereotypes are the other day, (((Jack))). Stereotypes are fine when used to divide and conquer the goyim, I guess.
     
    Kids, kids! Ever stop and think that both of you are right?

    That there is both a "Jewish problem" and a "woman problem".

    In fact there are a lot of element to the current crisis in the West:

    1) Jewish minoritarianism
    Jews prefer "diverse"--balkanized--countries, without a coherent majority, which are more open and penetrable and exploitable by Jews. And prefer anti-republican, elite control--they can manage--to majority rule. (Court or bureaucratic decrees in preference to elections.) And Jews have intensely and relentlessly pushed an effective minoritarian--minorities good, majorities bad--propaganda, including immigrationism, from Hollyweird, news media, academia, government, finance, corporations ... to achieve this in the West.

    2) The woman problem.
    a) Female herd following--narrative compliance--misplaced nurturing--especially with missing fertility--and feelings based, anti-rational politics. Basically making them suckers for minoritarian sob stories.
    b) Jewish 2+ wave minoritarian--women are oppressed by men--feminism. The thrust being essentially socialist--women are owed stuff by men, without doing anything for men--and anchoring them in the coalition of the fringes.

    3) The super state.
    Minoritarianism--inc. immigrationism--provides more clients for the state, more voters for left coalition of the fringes. Plus more natural contention/conflict for the state to manage. ("Diversity is the health of the state.") Plus more balkanization of coherent productive free majority that could resist the state.

    4) Business/capitalism.
    a) Finance/multi-national business globalism--free movement of money, goods, people with minimal interferance.
    b) Small businesses that are in beggar-thy-neighbor commodity competition and use lots of low skilled labor--ag, construction, hospitality. (They don't gain from immigrationism, but they can't stop using themselves if the other guy is using.)

    5) Christian universalism.
    Christianity is inherently a universal religion. Everyone is a child of God. Everyone needs saving. Of course, nothing about it says "open borders" or "everyone is entitled to move anywhere"--that's just a Christian hersey. But it's there. So we have "show off" Christians do "refugee resettlement"--actually imposing/dumping costs on their neighbors--as their "Christian duty" or these bozos who insist on curtailing their own fertility ... then raising some African cuckoo.

    6) Post-Christian virtue signalling.
    Lots of post-Christian white gentiles, now absent their historic/normal religious tradition as psychological/social anchor, *know* that they are "good people" by rabidly signalling their compliance with the Jewish minoritarian narrative. In fact--again lacking the traditional religious or deep cultural/community anchor--their very identity is that they are "good whites", rather than bad, deplorable whites. Basically they've psychologically defected to the Jewish side, they aren't part of their nations, but see themselves--deluded or not--as part of a transnational elite that is not part of their nation, but over and above, transcending it.

    ~~~

    Finally, underlying all these problems is simply that Western European gentiles are--genetically and culturally--the most open people in the world with the highest affective empathy. We're the non-tribal, neighborly, marry-the-girl-next-door people. Which was great for building strong cohesive nation-states at scale. But makes isn't something we can just flick a switch and turn off, so has made us easy to roll by more tribal interlopers--the Jews, and non-Western immigrants.

    We're simply going to have to realize that our non-tribal neighborly behavior evolved for use only amongst ourselves and is only adaptive when it's directed at people like us who are neighborly back. It does not scale out to dealing with all the people in the world.

    Kids, kids! Ever stop and think that both of you are right?

    Yes, I have given it a great deal of thought, and we’re not “both right.” I’m right and he’s wrong.

    2) The woman problem.
    a) Female herd following–narrative compliance–misplaced nurturing–especially with missing fertility–and feelings based, anti-rational politics. Basically making them suckers for minoritarian sob stories.
    b) Jewish 2+ wave minoritarian–women are oppressed by men–feminism. The thrust being essentially socialist–women are owed stuff by men, without doing anything for men–and anchoring them in the coalition of the fringes.

    1. Herd-following-narrative compliance

    This is only a problem because of hostile elite control of the media. It has been a strength in the past and can be again in the future. In other words, whether narrative compliance is good or bad depends on whether the narrative is good or bad.

    2. misplaced nurturing

    There is no misplaced nurturing. The media lies and tells us that armies of “children” are crossing the border. Why do you think they feel the need to lie? They feel the need to lie in order to avoid triggering maternal protective instincts.

    3. Feelings based, anti-rational politics.

    Rationality is not the solution to our problems.

    To the contrary, what we need is more sentimentality. That’s what patriotism is. Hyperrationality got us into this mess. In the graph below, who has stronger feelings of White solidarity?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Interesting points.

    Do women in fact have a herd instinct/narrative compliance? Is that something that you feel, deep down? Can you shed more light on it, from your vantage point?

  206. @Mr. Anon
    But is it a legitimate use of force to shoot at someone with a rifle, maiming or killing them, because they've approached your border fence to throw rocks?

    We have seen what has happened at the US border. If you are not willing to protect your country’s borders with force, then you really don’t have a country any more.

    This goes double for Hamas – their goal is not just to “throw rocks” but to kill Israelis if possible and especially to kidnap some across the border to be held as hostages. The rock throwing is just supposed to be a diversion while Hamas fighters dash in and accomplish the real mission.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    So would you advocate that the US Border Patrol employ snipers to shoot people thowing rocks and/or with hostile intent approaching the US border with Mexico?
  207. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    But is it a legitimate use of force to shoot at someone with a rifle, maiming or killing them, because they've approached your border fence to throw rocks?

    You have to have some contempt for people throwing rocks when they know throwing rocks will do no good and possibly get them shot. A revolutionary can only be respected when they either win or at least if killed they put up a valiant but credible attempt.

    I don’t give a lot of care whether Palestine is populated by Arabic or Hebrew speakers, but stupidity is a capital offense everywhere.

    The IRA were bloodthirsty jokers, but at least they made the third largest nuclear power on planet buy them off.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    You have to have some contempt for people throwing rocks when they know throwing rocks will do no good and possibly get them shot.
     
    I agree. And I don't feign to have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians because, I just don't. Let's face it, life is short, and most people don't have time to care deeply about people with whom they have no connection. I was merely trying to point out what I think is Jack D's hypocrisy when he talks about having sympathy with some poor third-world souls somewhere who die trying to violate some other country's borders. I'd wager he has exactly zero sympathy for anyone dying trying to violate Israel's borders.
    , @Sean
    The UK's stock of non MAD-strategic thermonuclear weapons is negligible. Israel certainly has vastly more battlefield nukes, that is tactical nukes to re-set an unfavourable conventional warfare outcome or respond to nuclear attack at a level below strategic. These are the weapons one can imagine a country actually using.
  208. @Jack D
    We have seen what has happened at the US border. If you are not willing to protect your country's borders with force, then you really don't have a country any more.

    This goes double for Hamas - their goal is not just to "throw rocks" but to kill Israelis if possible and especially to kidnap some across the border to be held as hostages. The rock throwing is just supposed to be a diversion while Hamas fighters dash in and accomplish the real mission.

    So would you advocate that the US Border Patrol employ snipers to shoot people thowing rocks and/or with hostile intent approaching the US border with Mexico?

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    So would you advocate that the US Border Patrol employ snipers to shoot people thowing rocks and/or with hostile intent approaching the US border with Mexico?
     
    Mexicans have never committed terror attacks against Americans. Arabs have not only committed terror attacks against Israelis, they have invaded on 3 separate occasions. The total death toll from Arab terror attacks runs into the thousands. Relative to the US, this would be like losing 300,000 Americans to Mexican terror attacks.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/number-of-terrorism-fatalities-in-israel

    And yet the number of Mexican terror attacks against Americans is exactly 0. We get criminals and illegal aliens, but no terrorists. Mexicans are crime-prone and not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree, but they are assimilable. Arabs not only don't want to assimilate - they want to kill the Jews in Israel.
  209. @Mr. Anon
    But is it a legitimate use of force to shoot at someone with a rifle, maiming or killing them, because they've approached your border fence to throw rocks?

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.
     
    Go ahead. And if I'm standing behind a fence, well out of range, I wouldn't feel the need to blow your head off with a .308 round.
  210. @Jack Hanson
    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.

    Go ahead. And if I’m standing behind a fence, well out of range, I wouldn’t feel the need to blow your head off with a .308 round.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Go ahead. And if I’m standing behind a fence, well out of range, I wouldn’t feel the need to blow your head off with a .308 round.
     
    Mr. Anon is right.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.
     
    But are they using catapults or slings? If they are just throwing them by hand, it would be best to just retreat out of distance, use shields, rubber bullets, or possibly use the kind of gas that is used to extract prisoners from cells in the US with minimal physical harm. This is paramilitaries vs civilians.

    Otherwise it looks like the kind of over reaction we are always hearing from police who have just killed some unarmed deaf person: "He was backing out of the parking lot and didn't stop when I asked him, so I felt in fear of my life. I shot him 20 times in the head with my gun, but he continued to threaten my life, so I shot him 20 times more."
    , @Jack Hanson
    No, let me throw it at you and then lets see how you feel.
  211. @Anonymous
    You have to have some contempt for people throwing rocks when they know throwing rocks will do no good and possibly get them shot. A revolutionary can only be respected when they either win or at least if killed they put up a valiant but credible attempt.

    I don't give a lot of care whether Palestine is populated by Arabic or Hebrew speakers, but stupidity is a capital offense everywhere.

    The IRA were bloodthirsty jokers, but at least they made the third largest nuclear power on planet buy them off.

    You have to have some contempt for people throwing rocks when they know throwing rocks will do no good and possibly get them shot.

    I agree. And I don’t feign to have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians because, I just don’t. Let’s face it, life is short, and most people don’t have time to care deeply about people with whom they have no connection. I was merely trying to point out what I think is Jack D’s hypocrisy when he talks about having sympathy with some poor third-world souls somewhere who die trying to violate some other country’s borders. I’d wager he has exactly zero sympathy for anyone dying trying to violate Israel’s borders.

  212. @Mr. Anon
    So would you advocate that the US Border Patrol employ snipers to shoot people thowing rocks and/or with hostile intent approaching the US border with Mexico?

    So would you advocate that the US Border Patrol employ snipers to shoot people thowing rocks and/or with hostile intent approaching the US border with Mexico?

    Mexicans have never committed terror attacks against Americans. Arabs have not only committed terror attacks against Israelis, they have invaded on 3 separate occasions. The total death toll from Arab terror attacks runs into the thousands. Relative to the US, this would be like losing 300,000 Americans to Mexican terror attacks.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/number-of-terrorism-fatalities-in-israel

    And yet the number of Mexican terror attacks against Americans is exactly 0. We get criminals and illegal aliens, but no terrorists. Mexicans are crime-prone and not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree, but they are assimilable. Arabs not only don’t want to assimilate – they want to kill the Jews in Israel.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Mexicans have never committed terror attacks against Americans.
     
    Not true, but whatever.

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/73567/wwi-centennial-pancho-villas-troops-murder-18-americans


    Arabs not only don’t want to assimilate -
     
    Why should they want to assimilate to a nation that is not theirs?

    - they want to kill the Jews in Israel.
     
    Every Arab wants this? Every last one? And again - so this justifies soldiers in safe defensive positions, behind a fence and out of range, blowing the heads off rock-throwing teenagers? Will any of you come out and state this clearly, rather than just play semantic games? Sure - kill the f**kers - they've got it coming. At least that would be honest.

    I don't buy the propaganda of the Palestinians that they are a harmless, blameless oppressed minority. I don't buy the Israeli propaganda that they are blameless either.

    , @Anonymous

    And yet the number of Mexican terror attacks against Americans is exactly 0. We get criminals and illegal aliens, but no terrorists.
     
    You'd get "terror" attacks from Mexicans if Americans treated Mexicans the way Jews treat Palestinians, or if Americans invaded Mexico as Jews have Palestine--or, probably, if America tried to enforce it's border with force. Which is what this thread is about and what JackD's imperative was. Nice try at a red herring.

    Mr. Anon is spot on.

  213. @Johann Ricke

    So would you advocate that the US Border Patrol employ snipers to shoot people thowing rocks and/or with hostile intent approaching the US border with Mexico?
     
    Mexicans have never committed terror attacks against Americans. Arabs have not only committed terror attacks against Israelis, they have invaded on 3 separate occasions. The total death toll from Arab terror attacks runs into the thousands. Relative to the US, this would be like losing 300,000 Americans to Mexican terror attacks.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/number-of-terrorism-fatalities-in-israel

    And yet the number of Mexican terror attacks against Americans is exactly 0. We get criminals and illegal aliens, but no terrorists. Mexicans are crime-prone and not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree, but they are assimilable. Arabs not only don't want to assimilate - they want to kill the Jews in Israel.

    Mexicans have never committed terror attacks against Americans.

    Not true, but whatever.

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/73567/wwi-centennial-pancho-villas-troops-murder-18-americans

    Arabs not only don’t want to assimilate –

    Why should they want to assimilate to a nation that is not theirs?

    – they want to kill the Jews in Israel.

    Every Arab wants this? Every last one? And again – so this justifies soldiers in safe defensive positions, behind a fence and out of range, blowing the heads off rock-throwing teenagers? Will any of you come out and state this clearly, rather than just play semantic games? Sure – kill the f**kers – they’ve got it coming. At least that would be honest.

    I don’t buy the propaganda of the Palestinians that they are a harmless, blameless oppressed minority. I don’t buy the Israeli propaganda that they are blameless either.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There were a lot of Mexican attacks on Texas along the Gulf Coast in 1915 as part of the Plan de San Diego. Pancho Villa's attack on Mexico the next year is more famous
  214. @Mr. Anon

    Mexicans have never committed terror attacks against Americans.
     
    Not true, but whatever.

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/73567/wwi-centennial-pancho-villas-troops-murder-18-americans


    Arabs not only don’t want to assimilate -
     
    Why should they want to assimilate to a nation that is not theirs?

    - they want to kill the Jews in Israel.
     
    Every Arab wants this? Every last one? And again - so this justifies soldiers in safe defensive positions, behind a fence and out of range, blowing the heads off rock-throwing teenagers? Will any of you come out and state this clearly, rather than just play semantic games? Sure - kill the f**kers - they've got it coming. At least that would be honest.

    I don't buy the propaganda of the Palestinians that they are a harmless, blameless oppressed minority. I don't buy the Israeli propaganda that they are blameless either.

    There were a lot of Mexican attacks on Texas along the Gulf Coast in 1915 as part of the Plan de San Diego. Pancho Villa’s attack on Mexico the next year is more famous

  215. @Anonymous
    You have to have some contempt for people throwing rocks when they know throwing rocks will do no good and possibly get them shot. A revolutionary can only be respected when they either win or at least if killed they put up a valiant but credible attempt.

    I don't give a lot of care whether Palestine is populated by Arabic or Hebrew speakers, but stupidity is a capital offense everywhere.

    The IRA were bloodthirsty jokers, but at least they made the third largest nuclear power on planet buy them off.

    The UK’s stock of non MAD-strategic thermonuclear weapons is negligible. Israel certainly has vastly more battlefield nukes, that is tactical nukes to re-set an unfavourable conventional warfare outcome or respond to nuclear attack at a level below strategic. These are the weapons one can imagine a country actually using.

  216. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Kids, kids! Ever stop and think that both of you are right?

     

    Yes, I have given it a great deal of thought, and we're not "both right." I'm right and he's wrong.

    2) The woman problem.
    a) Female herd following–narrative compliance–misplaced nurturing–especially with missing fertility–and feelings based, anti-rational politics. Basically making them suckers for minoritarian sob stories.
    b) Jewish 2+ wave minoritarian–women are oppressed by men–feminism. The thrust being essentially socialist–women are owed stuff by men, without doing anything for men–and anchoring them in the coalition of the fringes.
     
    1. Herd-following-narrative compliance

    This is only a problem because of hostile elite control of the media. It has been a strength in the past and can be again in the future. In other words, whether narrative compliance is good or bad depends on whether the narrative is good or bad.

    2. misplaced nurturing

    There is no misplaced nurturing. The media lies and tells us that armies of "children" are crossing the border. Why do you think they feel the need to lie? They feel the need to lie in order to avoid triggering maternal protective instincts.

    https://youtu.be/LVOpMzz8t20

    3. Feelings based, anti-rational politics.

    Rationality is not the solution to our problems.

    To the contrary, what we need is more sentimentality. That's what patriotism is. Hyperrationality got us into this mess. In the graph below, who has stronger feelings of White solidarity?

    https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/WN-Survey.png?w=640

    https://youtu.be/AEBUNtbkea4

    Interesting points.

    Do women in fact have a herd instinct/narrative compliance? Is that something that you feel, deep down? Can you shed more light on it, from your vantage point?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Do women in fact have a herd instinct/narrative compliance? Is that something that you feel, deep down? Can you shed more light on it, from your vantage point?
     
    There is some evidence for a greater tendency among women to internalize social norms. That is, we don't need as much external control, because we tend to feel deep shame about breaching moral strictures that we have taken on board. (If you notice, some men (not another Dad) will claim that women have to be forced to have marry and have children, because we are too individualistic and strong-willed to do it voluntarily!)

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-political-science/article/why-women-avoid-the-radical-right-internalized-norms-and-party-reputations/21999440F5879E6B9A20FED6C177F300

    That said, many around here exaggerate this difference as they tend to exaggerate all sex differences. You have to remember that most White women voted for Trump, and that is despite the intense, hostile media campaign against him. White working-class women, in particular didn't GAF about what the the great and the good said about him. Even 44% of college-educated women voted for Trump after four years of "anti-racist" indoctrination.
  217. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.
     
    Go ahead. And if I'm standing behind a fence, well out of range, I wouldn't feel the need to blow your head off with a .308 round.

    Go ahead. And if I’m standing behind a fence, well out of range, I wouldn’t feel the need to blow your head off with a .308 round.

    Mr. Anon is right.

  218. @Anonymous

    Altruistic punishment of free riders. But they have taken it so far that it becomes a threat to the group.
     
    Please explain.

    It’s like the mission statement of a company is all about how incredibly passionate their workers are about delivering insanely good customer service and everybody is in competition to be nicer to customers, but the firm ends up in trouble because they have lost sight of the objective of making a profit.

  219. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    So would you advocate that the US Border Patrol employ snipers to shoot people thowing rocks and/or with hostile intent approaching the US border with Mexico?
     
    Mexicans have never committed terror attacks against Americans. Arabs have not only committed terror attacks against Israelis, they have invaded on 3 separate occasions. The total death toll from Arab terror attacks runs into the thousands. Relative to the US, this would be like losing 300,000 Americans to Mexican terror attacks.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/number-of-terrorism-fatalities-in-israel

    And yet the number of Mexican terror attacks against Americans is exactly 0. We get criminals and illegal aliens, but no terrorists. Mexicans are crime-prone and not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree, but they are assimilable. Arabs not only don't want to assimilate - they want to kill the Jews in Israel.

    And yet the number of Mexican terror attacks against Americans is exactly 0. We get criminals and illegal aliens, but no terrorists.

    You’d get “terror” attacks from Mexicans if Americans treated Mexicans the way Jews treat Palestinians, or if Americans invaded Mexico as Jews have Palestine–or, probably, if America tried to enforce it’s border with force. Which is what this thread is about and what JackD’s imperative was. Nice try at a red herring.

    Mr. Anon is spot on.

  220. @Anonymous
    Interesting points.

    Do women in fact have a herd instinct/narrative compliance? Is that something that you feel, deep down? Can you shed more light on it, from your vantage point?

    Do women in fact have a herd instinct/narrative compliance? Is that something that you feel, deep down? Can you shed more light on it, from your vantage point?

    There is some evidence for a greater tendency among women to internalize social norms. That is, we don’t need as much external control, because we tend to feel deep shame about breaching moral strictures that we have taken on board. (If you notice, some men (not another Dad) will claim that women have to be forced to have marry and have children, because we are too individualistic and strong-willed to do it voluntarily!)

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-political-science/article/why-women-avoid-the-radical-right-internalized-norms-and-party-reputations/21999440F5879E6B9A20FED6C177F300

    That said, many around here exaggerate this difference as they tend to exaggerate all sex differences. You have to remember that most White women voted for Trump, and that is despite the intense, hostile media campaign against him. White working-class women, in particular didn’t GAF about what the the great and the good said about him. Even 44% of college-educated women voted for Trump after four years of “anti-racist” indoctrination.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Thank you.

    Even 44% of college-educated women voted for Trump after four years of “anti-racist” indoctrination.
     
    Are there any stats for married college educated white women?
  221. Hungary is giving big money to any woman willing to knock out a couple of children, maybe the USA should start selling Trump sperm to Eastern Europe:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-27/hungary-offering-35000-lifetime-tax-exemption-having-lots-children

  222. @L Woods

    The left hates winners – any group that seems to be doing a lot better than others is immediately suspect
     
    Yes, this is why they go after Jews, South Asians, East Asians, tech oligarchs, black athletes, Chads, tenured academics, etc.

    Yeah, but the right lets Asians off the hook a lot compared to Latinos. Think, Asians are more likely to take jobs away from whites than Latinos. Much of the Democratic left supported getting rid of caps for those that came from China, India, and so forth. Most of the hardcore left is not white but are like the squard, AOC, Tlarb, Omar, and Pressley. We get the Antifa image from progandra from both the left and right. Antifa is mainly in very liberal places like Portland, but there are lots of the hardcore left that are racial minorities like AOC.

  223. Anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Do women in fact have a herd instinct/narrative compliance? Is that something that you feel, deep down? Can you shed more light on it, from your vantage point?
     
    There is some evidence for a greater tendency among women to internalize social norms. That is, we don't need as much external control, because we tend to feel deep shame about breaching moral strictures that we have taken on board. (If you notice, some men (not another Dad) will claim that women have to be forced to have marry and have children, because we are too individualistic and strong-willed to do it voluntarily!)

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-political-science/article/why-women-avoid-the-radical-right-internalized-norms-and-party-reputations/21999440F5879E6B9A20FED6C177F300

    That said, many around here exaggerate this difference as they tend to exaggerate all sex differences. You have to remember that most White women voted for Trump, and that is despite the intense, hostile media campaign against him. White working-class women, in particular didn't GAF about what the the great and the good said about him. Even 44% of college-educated women voted for Trump after four years of "anti-racist" indoctrination.

    Thank you.

    Even 44% of college-educated women voted for Trump after four years of “anti-racist” indoctrination.

    Are there any stats for married college educated white women?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Are there any stats for married college educated white women?
     
    Not that I know of. My surmise would be that they voted more for Trump that their unmarried cohorts, but not as much as the non-college White women. Even college-educated White men only voted for 53% for Trump, so I would expect the number to look more like that, but a little lower.
  224. @Mr. Anon

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.
     
    Go ahead. And if I'm standing behind a fence, well out of range, I wouldn't feel the need to blow your head off with a .308 round.

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.

    But are they using catapults or slings? If they are just throwing them by hand, it would be best to just retreat out of distance, use shields, rubber bullets, or possibly use the kind of gas that is used to extract prisoners from cells in the US with minimal physical harm. This is paramilitaries vs civilians.

    Otherwise it looks like the kind of over reaction we are always hearing from police who have just killed some unarmed deaf person: “He was backing out of the parking lot and didn’t stop when I asked him, so I felt in fear of my life. I shot him 20 times in the head with my gun, but he continued to threaten my life, so I shot him 20 times more.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    As a casual observer, the way the IDF deals with protestors in Gaza seems on the extreme side. There are a lot of people who say they are total bastards - but then those people seem to be Palestinian partisans (not necessarily Palestinians, but taking their side). On the other hand, maybe they are Palestinian partisans and yet happen to be right on this account. I don't know. The Israelis did have to deal with a wave of suicide bombers blowing up their citizens back in the late 90's / early 00's, and I can understand why that would put them on edge.

    It's all rather confusing.

    Fortunately, as a citizen of a completely different country in the other hemisphere, I don't have to care what happens in some far-away country populated by two different ethnic groups, neither of whom are "my people".

    Except that - for some reason - I am expected to care.
  225. @MEH 0910
    Invade the World, Invite the World.

    https://twitter.com/BretStephensNYT/status/1155160546070663170

    “America is the country under whose banner the descendants of slaves give military orders to the descendants of slave owners”. I wonder if Bret Stephens would get an equally powerful tingle up his leg thinking about the descendants of serfs giving orders to the descendants of court Jews?

  226. @anon
    All reasoning and honest men want government by the consent of the governed.
    Democracy, the rule of law, majority rule, the consent of the governed.
    This is why Steve's "Citizenship" priniciple is the right way to go.
    Race is a factor, but a subordinate factor. A racial mix heavy on blacks cannot sustain a democracy. A racial mix heavy on hispanics is a long shot. Other racial mixes may still work.
    Separation will not work because no new border line you draw will be respected. You only postpone to another day the final showdown.
    A victorious majority can deport those who do not belong.
    Deport illegals and you solve the hispanic (and other) mix problems.
    Deport criminals and you solve the black mix problem.
    Deport traitors and you solve the liberal and jewish mix problem.
    Fight for majority rule, and you are fighting for secure borders and national identity.
    Fight for majority rule, and let race take care of itself.
    "Consent of the governed" may not be a blood inspiring battle cry. But it should be our guiding star.

    Really? Show me a mixed country that didn’t devolve into corruption and racial squabbles over power and resource allocation. You can’t.

  227. @Jonathan Mason

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.
     
    But are they using catapults or slings? If they are just throwing them by hand, it would be best to just retreat out of distance, use shields, rubber bullets, or possibly use the kind of gas that is used to extract prisoners from cells in the US with minimal physical harm. This is paramilitaries vs civilians.

    Otherwise it looks like the kind of over reaction we are always hearing from police who have just killed some unarmed deaf person: "He was backing out of the parking lot and didn't stop when I asked him, so I felt in fear of my life. I shot him 20 times in the head with my gun, but he continued to threaten my life, so I shot him 20 times more."

    As a casual observer, the way the IDF deals with protestors in Gaza seems on the extreme side. There are a lot of people who say they are total bastards – but then those people seem to be Palestinian partisans (not necessarily Palestinians, but taking their side). On the other hand, maybe they are Palestinian partisans and yet happen to be right on this account. I don’t know. The Israelis did have to deal with a wave of suicide bombers blowing up their citizens back in the late 90’s / early 00’s, and I can understand why that would put them on edge.

    It’s all rather confusing.

    Fortunately, as a citizen of a completely different country in the other hemisphere, I don’t have to care what happens in some far-away country populated by two different ethnic groups, neither of whom are “my people”.

    Except that – for some reason – I am expected to care.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Fortunately, as a citizen of a completely different country in the other hemisphere, I don’t have to care what happens in some far-away country populated by two different ethnic groups, neither of whom are “my people”.
     
    Never say you don't care. You cede the moral high ground in doing so.
  228. @Mr. Anon

    Let me throw rocks at you, baseball sized rocks coming at 30 mph.
     
    Go ahead. And if I'm standing behind a fence, well out of range, I wouldn't feel the need to blow your head off with a .308 round.

    No, let me throw it at you and then lets see how you feel.

  229. @Anonymous
    Thank you.

    Even 44% of college-educated women voted for Trump after four years of “anti-racist” indoctrination.
     
    Are there any stats for married college educated white women?

    Are there any stats for married college educated white women?

    Not that I know of. My surmise would be that they voted more for Trump that their unmarried cohorts, but not as much as the non-college White women. Even college-educated White men only voted for 53% for Trump, so I would expect the number to look more like that, but a little lower.

  230. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "Never Again" is right now in Palestine, to an exponential degree compared to any US immigration jail. In fact, Israel includes immigration jails on par with the US in addition to the massive open air detention camps that are Gaza and the West Bank.

    Jewish religious texts call for the eventual genocide of all Palestinians, both outright when they state that all Arabs will be cleansed from the Near East in the final apocalypse and when they give detail as to their god's directive for the Philistines / Palestinians in Gaza. Which is captivity followed by total genocide.

    Its a strategy...whoops... I mean its funny that Ulin chose to waste one drop of ink on US immigration jails before his own house is in order in regard to "Never Again".

    I believe that the Jew card is well used up. Any further use of it is purely cynical and has the net effect of more hostility toward the Jews. They will keep using it until we are at war with them and others, which seems to be another part of their strategy.

    Jewish religious texts call for the eventual genocide of all Palestinians, both outright when they state that all Arabs will be cleansed from the Near East in the final apocalypse and when they give detail as to their god’s directive for the Philistines / Palestinians in Gaza. Which is captivity followed by total genocide.

    Citation?

  231. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    As a casual observer, the way the IDF deals with protestors in Gaza seems on the extreme side. There are a lot of people who say they are total bastards - but then those people seem to be Palestinian partisans (not necessarily Palestinians, but taking their side). On the other hand, maybe they are Palestinian partisans and yet happen to be right on this account. I don't know. The Israelis did have to deal with a wave of suicide bombers blowing up their citizens back in the late 90's / early 00's, and I can understand why that would put them on edge.

    It's all rather confusing.

    Fortunately, as a citizen of a completely different country in the other hemisphere, I don't have to care what happens in some far-away country populated by two different ethnic groups, neither of whom are "my people".

    Except that - for some reason - I am expected to care.

    Fortunately, as a citizen of a completely different country in the other hemisphere, I don’t have to care what happens in some far-away country populated by two different ethnic groups, neither of whom are “my people”.

    Never say you don’t care. You cede the moral high ground in doing so.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Never say you don’t care. You cede the moral high ground in doing so.
     
    No, not caring is a perfectly reasonable thing to do in matters where you don't have any real strong stake.
  232. @Anonymous

    Fortunately, as a citizen of a completely different country in the other hemisphere, I don’t have to care what happens in some far-away country populated by two different ethnic groups, neither of whom are “my people”.
     
    Never say you don't care. You cede the moral high ground in doing so.

    Never say you don’t care. You cede the moral high ground in doing so.

    No, not caring is a perfectly reasonable thing to do in matters where you don’t have any real strong stake.

  233. Correction: “Post-American Pre-USAn.”

    America was the place where I grew up and in whose armed forces I served. That place, it ain’t no more.

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