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Dr. Donna Zuckerberg (the sister of the richest, most powerful individual of his generation) began promoting her upcoming book Not All Dead White Men, a “study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities,” in 2016 with articles in her own classics publication Eidolon such as:

How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

Possibly … little Mark’s 1998 Halloween costume as his favorite composite historical character: Adolfus Caesar

by Donna Zuckerberg

Silicon Valley-based Classics scholar. Editor of Eidolon .

Nov 21, 2016

A specter is haunting the Internet — the specter of the “alt-right.” The forces of white supremacy and toxic masculinity, fueled by a sense of entitlement dwarfed only by their inflated estimation of their own intelligence, have entered into an unholy alliance to remove feminism, political correctness, and multiculturalism from America. …

Who are these people? They are part of a group of a few hundred thousand men who have “swallowed the red pill” and belong to a few allied online movements: not just the Alt-Right, but also men’s rights activists, the manosphere, and GamerGate. …

They also love the classics.

Donna Zuckerberg is the Editor-in-Chief of Eidolon . She received her PhD in Classics from Princeton and teaches for Stanford Continuing Studies and the Paideia Institute. Her book Not All Dead White Men , a study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities, is due to be released in Fall 2017 by Harvard University Press.

Now, from the Newsletter of the Society for Classical Studies and from Dr. Zuckerberg’s Eidolon, she’s ramping up her book promotion campaign:

SCS Newsletter – September 2017 (“How to Support a Harassed Scholar”)

Whose Job Is It to Support a Harassed Scholar?

by Donna Zuckerberg and Sarah Bond

(You can read this article, which was crossposted, on Eidolon)

Donna: My harassment began in the final days of 2016. At its worst, I was receiving a steady stream of emails and tweets filled with misogynistic, anti-Semitic bile. Some of these missives helpfully included links to longer and even more vitriolic rants about me, my work, and my family….

Donna: I’m not going to share the details of my harassment here, partly because I consider those details irrelevant and partly because I don’t really like to talk about them. I talk and write about my experiences in venues like this one not because I enjoy doing so or because I think I can leverage it into some kind of professional advancement – a disgusting accusation made of many women who speak out about harassment, as Lauren Duca recently discussed in Teen Vogue

Dr. Zuckerman is citing Ms. Duca’s continuing column “Thigh-High Politics” in Teen Vogue:

We Need to Talk About Online Harassment

The public forum is taking place on social media, a place where women are being systematically silenced.

Lauren Duca AUG 11, 2017 4:11PM EDT

Thigh-High Politics is an op-ed column by Teen Vogue writer Lauren Duca that breaks down the news, provides resources for the resistance, and just generally refuses to accept toxic nonsense.

Besides religiously reading Thigh-High Politics in Teen Vogue, I would also suggest perusing the insights of Alicia Machado in Cosmopolitan.

Do you ever get the feeling that some of the current frumpus involves Teen Vogue- and Cosmo-reading girls wanting to be both socially respectable for belonging to the conformist Ctrl-Left and wanting the sexy bad boys of the Alt-Right to notice them?

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Back to Dr. Zuckerberg in the Newsletter of the Society for Classical Studies:

– but because I hope to start an honest, productive, and durable conversation

When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”

throughout the discipline about what the harassment of classical scholars means and what our ethical responsibility is toward our colleagues who experience that harassment. Because I know that what I experienced is just the beginning. …

Should who a scholar is influence how and whether we support them?

Donna: Most harassment is framed in deeply personal terms, as an attack on an individual’s scholarship, appearance, and behavior. It can therefore be difficult to extricate the characteristics of the individual from the overall circumstance of the harassment.

I am a relatively recent Ivy League PhD (2014), unaffiliated to any academic institution (although at the time I was connected to the Paideia Institute), a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity. Some of these factors mark me as privileged, while others do not – but all of them contributed to how my harassment was framed by the perpetrators, and I am convinced that they also shaped the discipline’s vicarious experience of my harassment. I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because 1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself. As a field, we can’t really do much to stop external harassment from happening – but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas and keep them from poisoning our collegial relationships, and we can reflect on how intersections of privilege and oppression play into our misconceptions. Support isn’t a zero-sum game: withholding it from someone you consider privileged doesn’t mean you’ll have more to give to someone less privileged.

I suggest Dr. Zuckerberg take her demand for more support to a Black Lives Matter rally and see how far it will get her. Suggested opening line for her speech: “All lives matter.”

As a rule our profession hates talking about money, but to the last point I would say that, rather than hesitating to support someone because they come from a wealthy family or are married to someone with a well-paying job, we should all reflect on the fact that a substantial proportion of classicists fall under that umbrella. We still have a long way to go in tearing down the boundaries to access to our discipline, which has historically been the province of the wealthy – so rather than speculating about each other’s personal net worths, let’s all focus on making our discipline more inclusive and accessible to all. …

Does the nature and degree of the harassment matter? How much, and why?

Donna: In the conversation about harassment, the trump card seems to be death threats. Certainly many of the titles of articles about Sarah Bond’s abuse emphasize that part of her experience. I can’t speak for Sarah, but I think that the disproportionate amount of attention and rhetorical weight given to death threats is warping the conversation about harassment in unhealthy and unproductive ways.

I received a few death threats, including one where the threatening individual knew my home address.

To be serious for a moment, I have long spoken out against making it at all easy for readers of the media to discover the home addresses of individuals in the news. This goes back to my recollection of interviews John Lennon granted in 1979-1980 in which he frequently joked about how he and Yoko now lived in the famous Dakota luxury apartment building in NYC. Nobody at the time was at all concerned about this: The Dakota is highly secure, and who would want to hurt a Beatle anyway?

Well, there are bad and/or crazy people out there, so let’s not make it easy for them by revealing precise addresses. And let’s prosecute those who make public threats of violence.

… Donna: Regardless, the focus on death threats actually removes the onus of responsibility from our colleagues. … What we can do, however, is try to protect them from the profoundly demoralizing effect of a deafening chorus of internet frogs bre-kek-kexing about how they’re the biggest fucking morons who ever lived. No matter how many times I try to tell myself that those people don’t matter, and that I’m not writing for them

Well, Dr. Zuckerberg, you are writing about them” “Red Pill communities” as you describe them. So is it all that surprising that the objects of your derision expression derision in return?

, it helps a great deal when the people I am writing for speak up to support me. If you like anything that the harassed scholar has written, write them a note to tell them about it and express your sympathy and support. It will mean a great deal. Helen Morales has written about the need for a culture of microaffirmations; that culture is more necessary than ever in a world where harassment has become a near-inevitability for those venturing out into the wild world of public scholarship. …

At the risk of hyperbole, we believe that this is a crisis moment for our discipline. We are at not one, but several crossroads: will we take a stand against the appropriation of our field of study in service of oppressive and bigoted ideologies? Will we stand by our colleagues when they need us? Our answers to these questions will have profound ramifications for the future of Classical Studies. In antiquity, the creation of collegia empowered and supported many who were not of elite status. They provided communal support and services that people could rely on. The SCS is our collegium, and that means that we must support each member in the collective equally: e pluribus, unum.

Uh … isn’t that last phrase a little anti-multicultural, Dr. Z? I mean, unless you accept Al Gore’s translation of the phrase as “Out of one, many.”

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  1. Where do I sign up for the Unholy Alliance?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Fidelios Automata

    Probably at Vox Day's blog.

  2. I just saw this cartoon on Twitter. It fits this case exactly.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    People in Silicon Valley read the classics? Oh, really? LOL

  3. Sometimes I think that the whole identity politics victim/microaggressions gimmick is just a grand exercise in Munchausen syndrome.

    Because, except for white males, everybody wants have some of that.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    @candid_observer

    Excuse me. I have a question. Is there some reason why I should care about Zuckerberg?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @ben tillman
    @candid_observer


    Sometimes I think that the whole identity politics victim/microaggressions gimmick is just a grand exercise in Munchausen syndrome.
     
    How can you be so nonchalant? We're looking at the extinction of our people.
  4. “…a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity…”

    Which of those is not a marker of privilege?

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @Yak-15

    After consulting both my abacus and my anarchist's cookbook, I have determined that

    “…a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity…”

    represents the textbook definition of White Privilege.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    , @Forbes
    @Yak-15

    Claiming victim status as a close relative of a wealthy celebrity? ROTFLMFHO

    , @AnotherDad
    @Yak-15


    “…a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity…”
     
    One thing to remember is there is only one sex chromosome pair. Men and women are sort of in a never ending genetic battle with men pushing genes into the next generation based on male selection and women based on female selection. Sexual dimorphism does its best to bend these to present well for your sex, but it's not perfect.

    So a quarrelsome tediousness which can be part of fitness for someone engaged in middle-man minority activity (and for Jews in Talmudic argument), is going to show up in both sexes in a middle-man minorities, though it is not an attractive trait for most interactions, and particularly not an attractive trait for a woman. (This is no doubt one of the reasons the Jewish guys are attracted the shiksas--less tedious hassle.)

    Couple this quarrelsome tediousness with female emotionality and attention seeking and ... it's a package! For Jewish guys--hey those are your girls, the product of your tribal history. Why the rest of us should have to listen to their nonsense is beyond me.
  5. Does anyone out there know of another time in history when the ruling class also insisted it was the primus inter pares victim class? Has any other society been run by holy martyrs who manage to avoid actually dying, sacred human scapegoats* or anything similar? Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Cagey Beast

    This is the secular theocracy they have created. The only way to have any sort of moral authority is to be a member of a victim class or to become a victim through personal persecution. People who can claim victimhood are on the highest level of society. It isn't any different than Hillary, who is now claiming she lost because too many white men wouldn't let the women in their lives vote for her like they wanted to. Anything to be a victim.

    , @gcochran
    @Cagey Beast

    We could make honest men and women out of them.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    , @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @Cagey Beast

    "Behold... I show you the last man."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    , @Ragno
    @Cagey Beast


    Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?
     
    Perhaps it is something....more.

    Macro: The Emperor is coming. Now there is something that you ought to know before he arrives, so that you won't be taken totally by surprise. We are privileged to be living at the time of the most astonishing event. The Emperor has undergone a transformation - a metamorphosis. He has become a god. [some laughter in the crowd] Now, that is unusual, to say the least. But that's the nature of miracles - to be unusual. And if it's the nature of some people not to believe in them... well, the more fool them. However, the Emperor doesn't want to make too much of it. He doesn't want any fuss or public announcements. He wants us all to behave normally. Although he is now a god, he is still the same lovable young man we've always known. I can attest to that. And to enable his relationships with all of us to continue exactly as they were, he has decided, for convenience, to retain his mortal form.

    Oh and by the way, his sister Drusilla's become a goddess. Any questions?

    Lentulus: Well, of course, it is unusual.... but why, one must ask oneself, are gods made only after death? Sooner or later, a man was bound to be reborn a god in our very midst. If we worship the Divine Augustus after his death, doesn't it make sense to worship his great-grandson while he's still alive? I think we should count ourselves fortunate to be living at this time. Gentlemen, posterity will envy us.

    Macro: The Emperor! [trumpet fanfare]

    Caligula: My sister and I are pleased to admit you into our presence once again.

    Lentulus: Your recovery is a miracle.

    Caligula: But you prayed for it, Lentulus.

    Lentulus: Oh, night and day. But our prayers are not always heard.

    Caligula: Yes, but yours were very special, so I understand. You offered your life to the gods in the place of mine. That was extremely noble.

    Lentulus: It's true. I did.

    Caligula: And what are you going to do about it?

    Lentulus: .....do about it? What do you mean?

    Caligula: Well, I'm still here and so are you, but we oughtn't both to be here. Should we not give the gods the things that we promise them? You're in danger of the crime of perjury, Lentulus. Think about it. But not too long. The gods won't wait forever, of that I can assure you. I know them only too well....
     

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Cagey Beast

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    A beefy Swedish guy is giving this victim thing a try now too:

    Swedish Left Party politician ‘raped for his beliefs’ at knifepoint
    https://www.rt.com/news/403518-swedish-left-politician-raped-beliefs/

    Swedish politician Patrik Liljeglod 'raped for his beliefs'
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41277540

    Fortunately Julian Assange has an alibi.

    Would I be blaming the victim if I pointed out that white capri pants and sandals on a man would drive any right-wing rapist over the edge? We all know Haven Monaghanson is a slave to his passions.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    Hillary Clinton, grande dame of the new martyr-ocracy, the victim-ocracy:

    Game of Thrones: Hilary Clinton compares herself to Cersei in new memoir What Happened
    'They shouted, ‘Guilty! Guilty!’ like the religious zealots in Game of Thrones'


    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/hilary-clinton-game-of-thrones-cersei-what-happened-memoir-donald-trump-a7944296.html

    Donna Zuckerberg needs to up her game if she wants to play in the big leagues.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A camgirl has a virtual tip jar (probably).

    A Google discrimination/harassment claimant has https://cash.me/$justkelly in her Twitter bio so you can send her money for, um… the emotional labor of being the noisiest possible victim? (Because a million bucks from Google wouldn’t be half as ego-stroking as a buck out of a million white knights.)

    Academic Zuckerberg, true to form, solicits hifalutin-sounding microaffirmations.

    Anyway, a more interesting question is what to do about the cannonballs fired from the safety of the ivory tower: http://nypost.com/2017/09/15/police-union-wants-professor-fired-over-anti-cop-tweets/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    That guy was also on Carlsons' show last week, defending the right of antifa to beat people up during public protests. Most lately, he was suspended from his job at John Jay, pending a review. Even the Mayor condemned his statements - maybe de Blasio has started to get worried about the loyalty of his police bodyguards.

    Have you seen pictures of that guy, Mike Isaacson? He is - literally - a pin-head. If he shaved his head, he'd look like a dildo wearing a T-shirt. Which, come to think of it, he pretty much is anyway.

    Replies: @Kylie

  7. The classics collegium’s future usefulness declines with every Indian and Somalian and Chinese immigrant she and her brother demand we bring to these shores. Maybe that accounts for the less than enthusiastic defense she is getting from the collegium (fraternity sounds better but I guess that is out).

    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @Anonym
    @cwhatfuture

    The classics collegium’s future usefulness declines with every Indian and Somalian and Chinese immigrant she and her brother demand we bring to these shores. Maybe that accounts for the less than enthusiastic defense she is getting from the collegium (fraternity sounds better but I guess that is out).

    Exactly. I'm sure that all these Chinese, Indian or Somalians are going to show the same reverence and eagerness to learn our history as we show them. Let's see... what do I know about ancient Chinese, Indian or Somalian history. I read Sun Tzu once, which is probably more than most people, and that is one book and not on history per se.

    However, is Donna's motivation really about reverence for Classics or revenge for the destruction of the Temple? If the latter (and one suspects it is), white people aren't all bad. It's not China that sends billions of dollars in foreign aid to Israel. It wasn't China or India or Somalia that fought against Hitler. And for that matter, if the Romans were so bad go after the Italians! With their birthrates and rates of immigration, it seems they are largely doing Donna's job for her.

    , @Verymuchalive
    @cwhatfuture

    Francis Fukuyama has a degree in Classics, but he is Japanese-American. Indeed, from my personal experience, the only Asians that had any interest in Classics, Classical Archaeology or Ancient History were Japanese or part-Japanese.
    Maybe this ties into Mr Steve's observation ( can't remember which post ) that the exogamy rate of Japanese-Americans is now so high that there will soon be none of them left.
    Living in a small country in N.W. Europe ( Scotland ) , I don't see a huge number of them, but those I have known have excellent English language skills and a genuine interest in Scotland and its history. They contrast very favourably with Chinese emigrants.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @StillCARealist

  8. As part of my response to the threat, I contacted a friend who has worked in security to ask what kind of threats I should take seriously.

    “Hello, it is friend Arik, former Mossad Commando. All treats are serious. Send check to . . .”

  9. Microaffirmations – Maybe she should be invited to speak at that American Renaissance thing.

  10. Unfettered academia is a danger to society. Throughout history, nations have gradually realized that different sectors of society must be controlled and regulated or they will ruin the nation.

    For example, the military must be controlled or they will start pointless wars. The commerce sector must be regulated or they will sell out the country’s interests for profit. Academia must be regulated or it infects society with childish idealism.

    The difference here is that academia as a powerful, widespread institution is a relatively new phenomenon, 200 years old at the most, and its current influence greatly magnified by mass media. Because of its newness, most societies have not learned how to limit its negative effects. It is no coincidence that nearly every bit of social justice extremism has its origin in universities.

    In order to end leftism, the destructiveness of academia must be memed into the public consciousness, so that a roadmap to regulation can be created as a political issue, and passed onto right-wing politicians.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Jason Liu

    Modern academia is a place where cliques with unpopular agendas can put their thumbs on the scale of democratic debate and policy making. The Rockefeller Foundation and similar outfits have been doing this as an "open conspiracy" for a little over a century now. They used to put a lot of effort into camouflaging and sugar coating their agenda but now they delight in telling us how they're tossing us into the dustbin of history. Lady Zuckerberg just needs to stop being so squeamish when she encounters resistance. WWTD should be her credo: What Would Trotsky Do?

    , @guest
    @Jason Liu

    "Academia must be regulated or it infects society with childish idealism"

    You're too kind to academics, even for a post about how they're like other corruptible institutions. Academics are in the idealism business. They're as selfish as Big Oil and the military industrial complex. The only reason anyone thinks they're above that sort of thing is because they're responsible for the way we think about them, because they're in control of our minds.

    Childish, maybe, but idealism? Pfft. I don't deny that's one of the ploys, but it's just a ploy. They'll fill people's heads with whatever they want if it'll give them influence, money, and power. Right now, they're bent on ruining Western Civilization. As Mz. Zuckerberg is doing with one of its Fountainheads, the classics.

  11. Teen Vogue

    Why does that even exist?

    I think the Mullahs are right on certain matters.

    Anyway, and while I’m against death threats of all kind, and although the writing makes me think about Rosa Luxemburg in spite of my forgiving character, I do want to become a card-carrying member of the Unholy Alliance. Toxic masculinity causing intersections, whether classic or not, to become unicultural? Hell yeah.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @EL Dato



    Teen Vogue
     
    Why does that even exist?
     
    They don't want fathers of daughters to know that they're subscribing to the same whore manual that adult women do.
    , @Sane Left Libertarian
    @EL Dato


    Why does that even exist?

     

    Because people buy it. That's the only measure of worth or even viability. I sometimes wonder if Euclid or Euler or Hilbert would have ever been heard of if Survivior and Big Brother and DWTS had been on TV when they were doing their things.

    Replies: @guest, @NOTA

    , @CCZ
    @EL Dato

    Sometimes, to teach young "women" the fashionable joys of LGBT sex:


    'Activist Mommy' Banned from Twitter After Slamming Teen Vogue Editor for Teaching Kids "Sodomy"

    Twitter has banned a woman for mocking a Teen Vogue editor who was honored after publishing an anal sex guide teaching young kids sodomy.

    “The Twitter police have suspended a popular Christian blogger for criticizing a Teen Vogue editor who published an article encouraging teens to have anal sex."

    “On her Twitter account, Grace Johnston mocked the editor of Teen Vogue for allowing the irresponsible piece to be published.”

    Teen Vogue Editor Phillip Picardi had been honored as #13 of the “50 Most Influential LGBTs in Media” by The Advocate.

    Johnston, who calls herself “The Activist Mommy,” began a campaign against Teen Vogue when the magazine's anal sex guide was published back in July of this year.
     
    , @Roger
    @EL Dato

    You probably won't recommend Teen Vogue for your teenaged daughter.

    NY Post:


    Teen Vogue’s “Guide to Anal Sex” is sparking a slew of outrage — including one mom so incensed, she burned a copy of the mag.

    The magazine posted the guide earlier this month, touting it as “the lowdown on everything you need to know about butt stuff, no matter who you are, whom you’re having sex with, or who you want to have sex with.”

    “This is anal 101, for teens, beginners, and all inquisitive folk,” it reads.
     

    Replies: @Jake

    , @guest
    @EL Dato

    "Why does that even exist?"

    To sell sex paraphernalia to teen girls. Maybe face cream and junk, too.

    Replies: @Ivy

  12. @Fidelios Automata
    Where do I sign up for the Unholy Alliance?

    Replies: @BB753

    Probably at Vox Day’s blog.

  13. Playing the victim to suppress criticism. Still boring the gazillionth time.

    a close relative of a wealthy celebrity

    That’s how she describes Mark? Merely a “wealthy celebrity”? Wouldn’t “phenomenally successfully entrepreneur or businessman” be more fitting? What a diss.

    O/T: The Institute for Jewish Policy Research just released a survey of the British public to measure anti-Semitic attitudes.

    http://www.jpr.org.uk/publication?id=9993

    This study, supported by the Community Security Trust, takes an in-depth look at attitudes towards Jews and Israel among the population of Great Britain, both across society as a whole, and in key subgroups within the population, notably the far-left, the far-right, Christians and Muslims.

    It introduces the concept of the ‘elastic view’ of antisemitism, arguing that as antisemitism is an attitude, it exists at different scales and levels of intensity. Thus no single figure can capture the level of antisemitism in society, and all figures need to be carefully explained and understood.

    Indicators used to measure anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism were agreement or disagreement with selected statements:

    1. Jews exploit Holocaust victimhood for their own purposes
    2. Jews think they are better than other people
    3. The interests of Jews in Britain are very different from the interests of the rest
    4. British Jews make a positive contribution to British society
    5. Israel exploits Holocaust victimhood for its own purposes
    6. People should boycott Israeli goods and products
    7. Israel is committing mass murder in Palestine
    8. Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East

    • Replies: @eD
    @Achilles

    What does it signify if you answer "yes" to all eight questions?

    Replies: @guest

    , @guest
    @Achilles

    Given its placement at #1, Norman Finkelstein, son of two Holocaust survivors, is the biggest anti-semite ever.

    , @Lot
    @Achilles

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer "wrong." Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Cagey Beast, @AM, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    will we take a stand against the appropriation of our field of study in service of oppressive and bigoted ideologies?

    Weapons-grade projection. Who started the dissembling and when?

    Donna: Regardless, the focus on death threats actually removes the onus of responsibility from our colleagues. Aside from a few simple measures that departments can take to protect the safety of their faculty, there’s not a lot that anybody can do to protect the physical safety of other members of our discipline. What we can do, however, is try to protect them from the profoundly demoralizing effect of a deafening chorus of internet frogs bre-kek-kexing about how they’re the biggest fucking morons who ever lived. No matter how many times I try to tell myself that those people don’t matter, and that I’m not writing for them, it helps a great deal when the people I am writing for speak up to support me. If you like anything that the harassed scholar has written, write them a note to tell them about it and express your sympathy and support. It will mean a great deal.

    “The peasants are revolting! Help!”

    “Do not cry, m’lady, there is nothing they can do to you here. You may speak as ill of them as your ladyship pleases.”

    “Summon the knights! The ladies demand tributes from every corner of the realm! And pitiye partieyes. Many feasts of pitiye partieyes.”

  15. She pines for a stubble-faced legionnaire to throw her over his should and carry her into the night, the iron smell of fresh enemy blood mixing with his intoxicating leather musk…

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Yak-15

    The Legionnaire then attentively caressed her though her bodice as he ripped off all its pearl buttons.......As her passions welled up from places she heretofore never knew existed.

    , @Roderick Spode
    @Yak-15

    The average Roman legionary was 5'7"

  16. OT:

    I strongly recommend people have a look at one or several of Hillary’s extended interviews she did this week as part of her book launch. She’s clearly doing her best to force a crisis to oust Trump. She repeatedly uses the phrase “a clear and present danger to our democracy” to describe Trump and the Alt-Right. In the New Yorker podcast interview, the host says “‘ ‘clear and present danger’ is a very specific, constitutionally rooted phrase”, to which Hillary murmurs an “mmmh” of agreement. She’s becoming America’s Catherine de Medici.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Cagey Beast

    Becoming?

  17. “I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from;”

    I think she meant “I didn’t have a traditional academic job from which I could be fired;” Guess the rules of basic grammar — like not ending a sentence with a preposition — weren’t taught at those Ivy League institutions.

    If Dr. Donna is reading, here is a list of prepositions she can reference so she doesn’t use them to end sentences. “From” is on the list:
    http://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/list-of-prepositions.html

    Or is just mentioning this “harassment?”

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    Replies: @Broski, @ben tillman

    , @Kylie
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    Or is just mentioning this “harassment?”


    The question mark belongs outside the closing quotation mark.

    Not trying to harass you. (She says, using a sentence fragment after correcting you and not knowing how to do the Blockquote thing.)

    Replies: @James Kabala

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    What you mean is:


    If Dr. Donna is reading, here is a list of prepositions she can refer to so as not to use them to end sentences WITH.
     
  18. Not a dead white man. A dead black man:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Caesar

    Adolph Caesar (December 5, 1933 – March 6, 1986) was an American actor.

    Caesar was born in Harlem, Manhattan, New York City, New York, as the youngest of three sons born to a Dominican mother.[1]

    Caesar appeared in Norman Jewison’s film A Soldier’s Story, for which he received a nomination for “Best Actor in a Supporting Role” from both the Academy Awards and the Golden Globes. He also played the role of “Old Mister” in the Steven Spielberg film, The Color Purple and appeared in Fist of Fear, Touch of Death.

    In addition to his film career, Caesar did much voice-over work for television and radio commercials, including theatrical previews and radio commercials for many blaxploitation films such as Cleopatra Jones, Superfly, Truck Turner and The Spook Who Sat by the Door. Caesar also lent his voice to Silverhawks, in which he voiced Hotwing, a magician and skilled illusionist.

  19. Steve, you do realise that you are committing a micro-macro aggression against Ms Zuckerberg by writing this, right? As are all commenters here not showing her wholehearted support. To the Goolags with us all!

  20. Do you ever get the feeling that some of the current frumpus involves Teen Vogue and Cosmo-reading girls wanting to be both socially respectable for belonging to the dominant Ctrl-Left and wanting the Bad Boys of the Alt-Right to notice them?

    There’s probably a lot of truth to that, at least in general, and perhaps forgetting the ephemeral “Alt-right” buzz phrase. But it’s not really the desire for “bad boys” either, so much as it is a yearning for the true man of your heart, who is very masculine, without being toxic in any way.
    Unfortunately for the Cosmo girl, she is not right for the sort of man she dreams of. She has to be willing to stand by his side, endure hardships with him, and go where he goes, and when she can’t do that, she has to be willing to endure loneliness, uncertainty and fear without complaint, while taking care of everything that needs taking care of so that when he comes home, he has a home, safe, secure and comfortable, and not a pile of neglected problems he must deal with. She must also accept that he may never come home, or come home grievously disabled, and she must accept that and know her life is with him forever, no matter what.
    Cosmo girls aren’t the sort to do that. They are too frivolous, fragile and self-involved, and can never be worthy of the men they wish for.
    What the man the Cosmo girl desires actually needs is someone like the woman depicted in the traditional folks song, The Girl Volunteer.
    Here’s a version by Peter Paul and Mary:

  21. I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent. I appreciate the classics and classical music and art, but if Steve didn’t publish articles on or by Donna Zuckerburg, I wouldn’t know of her existence. There are more people like her than there are “red-pill” members of the Manoshere. Steve don’t feed this troll.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buffalo Joe

    Disagree. I like to see what’s under the rocks Steve overturns.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  22. – but because I hope to start an honest, productive, and durable conversation

    It’s nice to find someone else who prizes durability in conversations. I prefer mine made in thick stainless steel so that when I direct one of my conversations at someone, gettin’ the last word in is the least of their concerns.

  23. @Jason Liu
    Unfettered academia is a danger to society. Throughout history, nations have gradually realized that different sectors of society must be controlled and regulated or they will ruin the nation.

    For example, the military must be controlled or they will start pointless wars. The commerce sector must be regulated or they will sell out the country's interests for profit. Academia must be regulated or it infects society with childish idealism.

    The difference here is that academia as a powerful, widespread institution is a relatively new phenomenon, 200 years old at the most, and its current influence greatly magnified by mass media. Because of its newness, most societies have not learned how to limit its negative effects. It is no coincidence that nearly every bit of social justice extremism has its origin in universities.

    In order to end leftism, the destructiveness of academia must be memed into the public consciousness, so that a roadmap to regulation can be created as a political issue, and passed onto right-wing politicians.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @guest

    Modern academia is a place where cliques with unpopular agendas can put their thumbs on the scale of democratic debate and policy making. The Rockefeller Foundation and similar outfits have been doing this as an “open conspiracy” for a little over a century now. They used to put a lot of effort into camouflaging and sugar coating their agenda but now they delight in telling us how they’re tossing us into the dustbin of history. Lady Zuckerberg just needs to stop being so squeamish when she encounters resistance. WWTD should be her credo: What Would Trotsky Do?

  24. Anonymous [AKA "First Time Commentor"] says:

    “Most harassment is framed in deeply personal terms, as an attack on an individual’s scholarship, appearance, and behavior.”

    Is criticism of scholarship not only an attack, but a personal attack, and consequently harassment?

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    "Is criticism of scholarship not only an attack, but a personal attack, and consequently harassment?"

    Yes, if you're a woman and it's not foreplay.

    , @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    Is criticism of scholarship not only an attack, but a personal attack, and consequently harassment?
     
    Her "scholarship" cannot be criticized. She is not engaging in scholarship. It's all ethnopolitical activism.
  25. @cwhatfuture
    The classics collegium's future usefulness declines with every Indian and Somalian and Chinese immigrant she and her brother demand we bring to these shores. Maybe that accounts for the less than enthusiastic defense she is getting from the collegium (fraternity sounds better but I guess that is out).

    Replies: @Anonym, @Verymuchalive

    The classics collegium’s future usefulness declines with every Indian and Somalian and Chinese immigrant she and her brother demand we bring to these shores. Maybe that accounts for the less than enthusiastic defense she is getting from the collegium (fraternity sounds better but I guess that is out).

    Exactly. I’m sure that all these Chinese, Indian or Somalians are going to show the same reverence and eagerness to learn our history as we show them. Let’s see… what do I know about ancient Chinese, Indian or Somalian history. I read Sun Tzu once, which is probably more than most people, and that is one book and not on history per se.

    However, is Donna’s motivation really about reverence for Classics or revenge for the destruction of the Temple? If the latter (and one suspects it is), white people aren’t all bad. It’s not China that sends billions of dollars in foreign aid to Israel. It wasn’t China or India or Somalia that fought against Hitler. And for that matter, if the Romans were so bad go after the Italians! With their birthrates and rates of immigration, it seems they are largely doing Donna’s job for her.

  26. • Replies: @Ivy
    @TelfoedJohn

    That bibliography reflects some serious butt-hurt. Imagine the hours involved in the curation of resources, the painstaking compilation and the inevitable excreting. The micro-aggressions add up to levels that would impress even the self-affirmation master Stuart Smalley. (Of course, the latter's spirit in the US Senate lends greater gravitas.)

    Sic transit Gloria Mundi, or was it Gloria Vanderbilt's spawn AC 360. When is the Classical News Network Breaking News Interview Special, or will that have to wait until later in the election cycle? I bet their people have called their people.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    , @guest
    @TelfoedJohn

    "Teaching Medieval Studies in a Time of White Supremacy"

    You mean now? I guess de facto white supremacy in this, our civilization, is a given. But I think she means a time of white supremacist rule, or at least a time with white supremacy rising.

    Coulda fooled me! Here, I thought we still lived in a time of white degradation and political correctness. Hence the fact that someone can make a living writing articles like Teaching Medieval Studies in a Time of White Supremacy.

    By the way, what the heck is "Medieval Studies?" Do they mean Medieval History? Why are they going with "studies?" Is "history" too much of a burden? Or is at all "studies" by now? Most things are named "studies" to hide the fact that they aren't actual disciplines. No one says "physics studies," for instance. History lacks that problem. It's perfectly fine to simply call things "history."

    , @dr kill
    @TelfoedJohn

    I observe that the Classical Period for any civilization seems to be when the population is the the most coherent. And ends with a barbarian invasion . A conclusion could be that Europe's Classical Period is over, and ours is staggering. But what do I know. I'm a STEM guy, not a Classicist.

  27. @EL Dato
    Teen Vogue

    Why does that even exist?

    I think the Mullahs are right on certain matters.

    Anyway, and while I'm against death threats of all kind, and although the writing makes me think about Rosa Luxemburg in spite of my forgiving character, I do want to become a card-carrying member of the Unholy Alliance. Toxic masculinity causing intersections, whether classic or not, to become unicultural? Hell yeah.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Sane Left Libertarian, @CCZ, @Roger, @guest

    Teen Vogue

    Why does that even exist?

    They don’t want fathers of daughters to know that they’re subscribing to the same whore manual that adult women do.

  28. I want to see a Woody Allen movie about a Zuckerberg family reunion. That would be the funniest thing ever. It’s gotta be Allen writing and directing it — pretty sure he’d be the only one who could accurately capture all the Jewish neuroticism in its full glory.

  29. Spoiled princess wants to play poor little victim

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Anon

    Donna is the Tito of The Zuckerberg 4

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @Sane Left Libertarian
    @Anon


    Spoiled princess wants to play poor little victim
     
    dot-com zillionaire is so 20th century. So far this millenium, Victim is the highest stratum in US society. We just learned that HRC is a victim of almost everything.

    Replies: @AM

  30. Steve, you keep on pointing out that her brother looks just like Caligula so why shouldn’t she be a classicist, given her obvious Mediterranean roots?

    And apart from archaological digs, what new thoughts can someone come up with today in the classics?

    • Replies: @John Pepple
    @anony-mouse

    I was trained as a Plato scholar, and I want to point out that lots of things we take for granted in Platonic scholarship were not due to archeological discoveries. Platonic scholarship as we now know it got going a little over 200 years ago when someone suggested that contradictions in Plato might be explained if we assume that his thought developed as he got older. This could be checked if we had the chronology of the dialogues, except that we didn’t have it (except for a few minor hints). There followed sixty years of surmises on what the order was. Then someone realized that the style of each dialogue could be compared with the Laws, which was known to be written last (one of the few pieces of information the ancients handed down to us). Lo and behold, a certain order appeared from this method, and scholars then separated the dialogues into three groups which they simply dubbed early, middle, and late.

    Then came the work of trying to interpret this ordering. For awhile scholars thought that the early and middle periods were basically about the historical Socrates while the late period was Plato finally telling us what he thought. (Leo Strauss apparently adopted this view, and Straussians continue to hold that to this day.) The next step was realizing that the middle period was when Plato started telling us what he thought, but that made the late period rather mysterious. Was it nothing but Plato doing his thing, or was it a time when he was radically revising his beloved theory of forms?

    That was the big debate when I was a grad student, and I came up with my own answer to it, which admittedly almost no one accepts. I say that the late period was a time when Plato was having a battle royal with his own nephew Speusippus concerning the existence of the forms, with Plato insisting that they exist and Speusippus insisting that they do not. No one from antiquity ever mentioned this grand debate, but there are plenty of indications in Aristotle that it happened.

    Anyway, none of these developments were due to archeological digs.

  31. @Anon
    Spoiled princess wants to play poor little victim

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Sane Left Libertarian

    Donna is the Tito of The Zuckerberg 4

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Alec Leamas


    Donna is the Tito of The Zuckerberg 4
     
    What a sad Yugoslavia to be held together by self-pity, moral preening and blood libel, but here we are.

    Replies: @BB753

  32. A specter is haunting the Internet — the specter of the “alt-right.”

    I think this woman secretly authors NYT editorials — the phrase ‘turgid prose’ is now haunting my mind — waiting for an honorary tweet about her on Fellow White Person.

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    From 'The Sisterhood' in (((Forward))) -- When Haters of Jews and Women Join Forces

    In Jezebel, classics scholar Donna Zuckerberg (who happens to be Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg’s sister) raises an important question:

    “[W]hy have so many white, male leaders of communities and websites that used to focus on sex and gender shifted in recent months to anti-Semitism, white nationalism, and complaining about “(((the media)))”?

    Good question -- dunno -- any ideas?

    Replies: @eah

    , @Forbes
    @eah

    Fellow White Person resembles Art Garfunkel.

  33. @EL Dato
    Teen Vogue

    Why does that even exist?

    I think the Mullahs are right on certain matters.

    Anyway, and while I'm against death threats of all kind, and although the writing makes me think about Rosa Luxemburg in spite of my forgiving character, I do want to become a card-carrying member of the Unholy Alliance. Toxic masculinity causing intersections, whether classic or not, to become unicultural? Hell yeah.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Sane Left Libertarian, @CCZ, @Roger, @guest

    Why does that even exist?

    Because people buy it. That’s the only measure of worth or even viability. I sometimes wonder if Euclid or Euler or Hilbert would have ever been heard of if Survivior and Big Brother and DWTS had been on TV when they were doing their things.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Sane Left Libertarian

    Like most magazines, it probably doesn't sell that well. Usually they're propped up by advertisers.

    , @NOTA
    @Sane Left Libertarian

    There have always been lots of entertainment choices for dumb people, because there have always been a lot of dumb people. Very few in any culture were ever going to appreciate Euclid or Gauss.

  34. @Anon
    Spoiled princess wants to play poor little victim

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Sane Left Libertarian

    Spoiled princess wants to play poor little victim

    dot-com zillionaire is so 20th century. So far this millenium, Victim is the highest stratum in US society. We just learned that HRC is a victim of almost everything.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Sane Left Libertarian


    So far this millenium, Victim is the highest stratum in US society. We just learned that HRC is a victim of almost everything.
     
    When narcissism is everywhere, so are victims.
  35. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    That the studies of Classics is open to anyone is nice. It’s a fascinating subject.

    But that is not the problem. Even as Donna Zuck bitches about others trying to ‘claim’ it, it is she and her ilk who are trying to monopolize the meaning of the Classics and then projecting their tyranny on others.

    Did it ever occur to this harridan that other people will interpret the Classics differently? But instead of just doing her thing, she reviles others.. and then plays victim when they bitch slap the brat.

    She politicizes a very important field and demands everyone get behind her.

    No character in the Zuck family. Just a bunch of high IQ gypsies.

  36. @eah
    A specter is haunting the Internet — the specter of the “alt-right.”

    I think this woman secretly authors NYT editorials -- the phrase 'turgid prose' is now haunting my mind -- waiting for an honorary tweet about her on Fellow White Person.

    Replies: @eah, @Forbes

    From ‘The Sisterhood’ in (((Forward))) — When Haters of Jews and Women Join Forces

    In Jezebel, classics scholar Donna Zuckerberg (who happens to be Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg’s sister) raises an important question:

    “[W]hy have so many white, male leaders of communities and websites that used to focus on sex and gender shifted in recent months to anti-Semitism, white nationalism, and complaining about “(((the media)))”?

    Good question — dunno — any ideas?

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/AMER1CAF1RST/status/908801973784162304

  37. I like how Donna Zuck runs around calling herself a scholar. What crazed self-promotion. Is she autism spectrum like brother or a nutty professor?

  38. @eah
    @eah

    From 'The Sisterhood' in (((Forward))) -- When Haters of Jews and Women Join Forces

    In Jezebel, classics scholar Donna Zuckerberg (who happens to be Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg’s sister) raises an important question:

    “[W]hy have so many white, male leaders of communities and websites that used to focus on sex and gender shifted in recent months to anti-Semitism, white nationalism, and complaining about “(((the media)))”?

    Good question -- dunno -- any ideas?

    Replies: @eah

  39. @Yak-15
    She pines for a stubble-faced legionnaire to throw her over his should and carry her into the night, the iron smell of fresh enemy blood mixing with his intoxicating leather musk...

    Replies: @Clyde, @Roderick Spode

    The Legionnaire then attentively caressed her though her bodice as he ripped off all its pearl buttons…….As her passions welled up from places she heretofore never knew existed.

  40. @EL Dato
    Teen Vogue

    Why does that even exist?

    I think the Mullahs are right on certain matters.

    Anyway, and while I'm against death threats of all kind, and although the writing makes me think about Rosa Luxemburg in spite of my forgiving character, I do want to become a card-carrying member of the Unholy Alliance. Toxic masculinity causing intersections, whether classic or not, to become unicultural? Hell yeah.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Sane Left Libertarian, @CCZ, @Roger, @guest

    Sometimes, to teach young “women” the fashionable joys of LGBT sex:

    ‘Activist Mommy’ Banned from Twitter After Slamming Teen Vogue Editor for Teaching Kids “Sodomy”

    Twitter has banned a woman for mocking a Teen Vogue editor who was honored after publishing an anal sex guide teaching young kids sodomy.

    “The Twitter police have suspended a popular Christian blogger for criticizing a Teen Vogue editor who published an article encouraging teens to have anal sex.”

    “On her Twitter account, Grace Johnston mocked the editor of Teen Vogue for allowing the irresponsible piece to be published.”

    Teen Vogue Editor Phillip Picardi had been honored as #13 of the “50 Most Influential LGBTs in Media” by The Advocate.

    Johnston, who calls herself “The Activist Mommy,” began a campaign against Teen Vogue when the magazine’s anal sex guide was published back in July of this year.

  41. @Cagey Beast
    Does anyone out there know of another time in history when the ruling class also insisted it was the primus inter pares victim class? Has any other society been run by holy martyrs who manage to avoid actually dying, sacred human scapegoats* or anything similar? Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

    Replies: @Barnard, @gcochran, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Ragno, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    This is the secular theocracy they have created. The only way to have any sort of moral authority is to be a member of a victim class or to become a victim through personal persecution. People who can claim victimhood are on the highest level of society. It isn’t any different than Hillary, who is now claiming she lost because too many white men wouldn’t let the women in their lives vote for her like they wanted to. Anything to be a victim.

  42. and wanting the sexy bad boys of the Alt-Right to notice them?

    I thought I was the only one who noticed. Miss Zuckerberg’s unhealthy obsession with naughty boys who she wants to, um, have a political discussion with is one of those bad stereotypes which are usually left behind on college campuses. недаёб.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Scott Locklin

    She kinda reminds me of the Minkowitz doxie sparring with Ignatius Reilly.

    , @James Kabala
    @Scott Locklin

    If Red Pill or alt-right types actually were ultra-masculine in demeanor, this theory might have more plausibility.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Scott Locklin

  43. @EL Dato
    Teen Vogue

    Why does that even exist?

    I think the Mullahs are right on certain matters.

    Anyway, and while I'm against death threats of all kind, and although the writing makes me think about Rosa Luxemburg in spite of my forgiving character, I do want to become a card-carrying member of the Unholy Alliance. Toxic masculinity causing intersections, whether classic or not, to become unicultural? Hell yeah.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Sane Left Libertarian, @CCZ, @Roger, @guest

    You probably won’t recommend Teen Vogue for your teenaged daughter.

    NY Post:

    Teen Vogue’s “Guide to Anal Sex” is sparking a slew of outrage — including one mom so incensed, she burned a copy of the mag.

    The magazine posted the guide earlier this month, touting it as “the lowdown on everything you need to know about butt stuff, no matter who you are, whom you’re having sex with, or who you want to have sex with.”

    “This is anal 101, for teens, beginners, and all inquisitive folk,” it reads.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @Roger

    That is what happens when you allow rich, liberated women to run magazines aimed at your teen daughters. Rich women in decadent cultures (and in the WASP world before it exhibited many outward signs of decadence) have a tendency to be fag-hags, which means they love to have their bestest gay boy BFFs re-make the magazines so that all the gay boys also want to flip through them.

    The result is stuff guides to anal sex for teen girls - giggle, giggle.

    Of course, many teen girls will decide that anal sex must be the height of fashion and anti-homophobia and get busy with it, after which most will not want to be hypocrites and oppose their 40 year neighbor for buggering their baby brother.

  44. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from;"

    I think she meant "I didn't have a traditional academic job from which I could be fired;" Guess the rules of basic grammar -- like not ending a sentence with a preposition -- weren't taught at those Ivy League institutions.

    If Dr. Donna is reading, here is a list of prepositions she can reference so she doesn't use them to end sentences. "From" is on the list:
    http://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/list-of-prepositions.html

    Or is just mentioning this "harassment?"

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Kylie, @Eagle Eye

    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    • Replies: @Broski
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    It is not a rule of grammar, but of style. It has sufficient subscription that the skilled editor avoids its violation.

    , @ben tillman
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.
     
    You destroyed your credibility with the second sentence. "Up" is not a preposition in that sentence.

    Replies: @Broski, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

  45. When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”

    Maliciously patronizing (or maybe ‘matronizing’) academics now use ‘conversation’ as a euphemism for hectoring the peons because they can’t fool anybody anymore with their pleas for ‘dialog’. That one’s been used up.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    matronizing
     
    Gold box

    See CNN today
    , @black sea
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”

     

    Hi Peter, what's happening? We need to talk about your TPS reports.
  46. Regarding macroaggressions and grrl power, as Professor Zuckerberg cites Ms. Duca to make her point reminds one that she’s hoping that she’s blown it all “thigh-high”, to use a twist on the ’70’s disco song from one hit wonder Jigsaw.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    Regarding macroaggressions and grrl power, as Professor Zuckerberg cites Ms. Duca to make her point reminds one that she’s hoping that she’s blown it all “thigh-high”, to use a twist on the ’70′s disco song from one hit wonder Jigsaw.
     
    Wow -- was just thinking of that song today when I heard Magic by Pilot on the radio. What a coincidence!
  47. I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because … I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support….

    Donna, did it ever occur to you that maybe your classics colleagues are nothing but scumbags?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @John Pepple


    Donna, did it ever occur to you that maybe your classics colleagues are nothing but scumbags?
     
    Or more likely the opposite.
  48. “conversation” = “lecture” ever since Obama/Holder decided that the US had to start discussing race.

  49. @anony-mouse
    Steve, you keep on pointing out that her brother looks just like Caligula so why shouldn't she be a classicist, given her obvious Mediterranean roots?

    And apart from archaological digs, what new thoughts can someone come up with today in the classics?

    Replies: @John Pepple

    I was trained as a Plato scholar, and I want to point out that lots of things we take for granted in Platonic scholarship were not due to archeological discoveries. Platonic scholarship as we now know it got going a little over 200 years ago when someone suggested that contradictions in Plato might be explained if we assume that his thought developed as he got older. This could be checked if we had the chronology of the dialogues, except that we didn’t have it (except for a few minor hints). There followed sixty years of surmises on what the order was. Then someone realized that the style of each dialogue could be compared with the Laws, which was known to be written last (one of the few pieces of information the ancients handed down to us). Lo and behold, a certain order appeared from this method, and scholars then separated the dialogues into three groups which they simply dubbed early, middle, and late.

    Then came the work of trying to interpret this ordering. For awhile scholars thought that the early and middle periods were basically about the historical Socrates while the late period was Plato finally telling us what he thought. (Leo Strauss apparently adopted this view, and Straussians continue to hold that to this day.) The next step was realizing that the middle period was when Plato started telling us what he thought, but that made the late period rather mysterious. Was it nothing but Plato doing his thing, or was it a time when he was radically revising his beloved theory of forms?

    That was the big debate when I was a grad student, and I came up with my own answer to it, which admittedly almost no one accepts. I say that the late period was a time when Plato was having a battle royal with his own nephew Speusippus concerning the existence of the forms, with Plato insisting that they exist and Speusippus insisting that they do not. No one from antiquity ever mentioned this grand debate, but there are plenty of indications in Aristotle that it happened.

    Anyway, none of these developments were due to archeological digs.

  50. @Achilles
    Playing the victim to suppress criticism. Still boring the gazillionth time.

    a close relative of a wealthy celebrity

     

    That's how she describes Mark? Merely a "wealthy celebrity"? Wouldn't "phenomenally successfully entrepreneur or businessman" be more fitting? What a diss.

    O/T: The Institute for Jewish Policy Research just released a survey of the British public to measure anti-Semitic attitudes.

    http://www.jpr.org.uk/publication?id=9993


    This study, supported by the Community Security Trust, takes an in-depth look at attitudes towards Jews and Israel among the population of Great Britain, both across society as a whole, and in key subgroups within the population, notably the far-left, the far-right, Christians and Muslims.

    It introduces the concept of the ‘elastic view’ of antisemitism, arguing that as antisemitism is an attitude, it exists at different scales and levels of intensity. Thus no single figure can capture the level of antisemitism in society, and all figures need to be carefully explained and understood.
     

    Indicators used to measure anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism were agreement or disagreement with selected statements:

    1. Jews exploit Holocaust victimhood for their own purposes
    2. Jews think they are better than other people
    3. The interests of Jews in Britain are very different from the interests of the rest
    4. British Jews make a positive contribution to British society
    5. Israel exploits Holocaust victimhood for its own purposes
    6. People should boycott Israeli goods and products
    7. Israel is committing mass murder in Palestine
    8. Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East

    Replies: @eD, @guest, @Lot

    What does it signify if you answer “yes” to all eight questions?

    • Replies: @guest
    @eD

    That you have common sense.

    No, wait, that you're evil, I meant.

  51. @TelfoedJohn
    Woke classicist reading list:
    https://sarahemilybond.com/2017/09/10/hold-my-mead-a-bibliography-for-historians-hitting-back-at-white-supremacy/amp/

    Replies: @Ivy, @guest, @dr kill

    That bibliography reflects some serious butt-hurt. Imagine the hours involved in the curation of resources, the painstaking compilation and the inevitable excreting. The micro-aggressions add up to levels that would impress even the self-affirmation master Stuart Smalley. (Of course, the latter’s spirit in the US Senate lends greater gravitas.)

    Sic transit Gloria Mundi, or was it Gloria Vanderbilt’s spawn AC 360. When is the Classical News Network Breaking News Interview Special, or will that have to wait until later in the election cycle? I bet their people have called their people.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Ivy

    A good place to study the SJWs is metafilter.com - you have to pay to comment and the people it attracts are north eastern liberal SJW types. White people worshipping diversity.

    You can see their response to this stuff here:
    http://www.metafilter.com/169424/Hold-My-Mead-Bro

  52. What Donna Zuckerberg really wants is some dude to create raw fear like that Goolag whore/policy maker who had the special lady feelings for that violent criminal she bonded with in a prison visit.

    There is no end, really at all, to the ways in which Upper Class White women who have never done anything in their lives but think they are all that are the enemy of the White Working Man.

  53. A lot of right-wingers respond to this BS by describing it as “cultural Marxism,” but this doesn’t seem to be a label which is having much political impact. Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism, rather than a self-indulgent, self-contradictory ideology that is totally unhinged from logic. A better label might be post-rational leftism.

    Whatever the label, it’s vital to ram home the point that this really is an ideology divorced from reason. As Jordan Peterson points out, the modern left prefers to operate in post-modern feels mode, but has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right. If it stays in feels mode, then it can’t argue that a left wing narrative is any better than a right wing narrative. The right needs to make it harder for the left to have it both ways, even if that means crediting the old left with a certain amount of intellectual value.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @unpc downunder

    post-rational leftism

    That's pretty good.

    , @guest
    @unpc downunder

    "Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism"

    No it doesn't. Certainly not after the term "culture" has been dragged through the mud for more than a century.

    , @Anonymous
    @unpc downunder

    "Marxism" ought to alarm Boomers and neolibs, and brings to mind radical student politics and failed revolutionary idealism.

    "Cultural Marxism" connotes the shift from class war and economic issues to identity politics that some old school leftists would consider a divisive perversion. If "post-rationalist leftism" is supposed to get at the race- and gender-science denialism of the left it is attacking a symptom of identity politics rather than a cause. The science of the "female" brain is acceptable when it's found in a male body, i.e. when it's used to bolster transgender identity politics; the attack on Enlightenment rationalism is framed in terms of its colonial white maleness, etc.

    It's funny how Wikipedia got "Cultural Marxism" dubbed a "conspiracy theory". Almost like it got their number.

    , @Desiderius
    @unpc downunder


    has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right
     
    You'd think.

    But they've found that focusing 110% of everyone's attention in all matters on the shortcomings, real and imagined, of the right is far more effective.

    See: "Republicans pounce"

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @unpc downunder

    'Post-rational leftism' is also 'pre-rational leftism', in that it's essentially religious in character. It's never really been rational.

    Marxism and its vile progeny have grown and spread because they draw their dark energy from a deeper and more powerful metanarrative. That metanarrative is a perversion of the Christian story of creation-fall-redemption. Marxism holds no sway over ordinary people's hearts and minds without its sin and demons (cruel, rapacious capitalists); its telos (an egalitarian utopia); and its saviors (the vanguard who lead their fellows into an essentially Gnostic awakening to awareness of their chains).

    The Marxist narrative has always been the story of humanity redeeming itself through its own wisdom and devices. It's a parasite, a parody, of the the true Christian story. It gives ordinary sinful people the illusion that they can be saviors, that they can redeem not only their own broken lives, but those of others, too.

    Take a look at the current Daily Mail story on the latest St Louis riots: LINK

    Click the first photo to get into the DM's photo slideshow mode, then click ahead to photo 16. It shows four protesters linked arm-in-arm. Take a look at the woman on the right. That is the face of religious ecstacy.

    Replies: @jim jones

  54. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from;"

    I think she meant "I didn't have a traditional academic job from which I could be fired;" Guess the rules of basic grammar -- like not ending a sentence with a preposition -- weren't taught at those Ivy League institutions.

    If Dr. Donna is reading, here is a list of prepositions she can reference so she doesn't use them to end sentences. "From" is on the list:
    http://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/list-of-prepositions.html

    Or is just mentioning this "harassment?"

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Kylie, @Eagle Eye

    Or is just mentioning this “harassment?”

    The question mark belongs outside the closing quotation mark.

    Not trying to harass you. (She says, using a sentence fragment after correcting you and not knowing how to do the Blockquote thing.)

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    @Kylie

    British vs. American difference. (I agree that the British method makes more sense - hence its alternate name "logical punctuation" - but what can you do?)

  55. I’m reminded of that wise primate Dr. Zaius from the 1968 Paramount release Planet of the Apes. He said, and I quote that orange simian, “Don’t look for it, Taylor. You may not like what you find” ZIRA: What will he find out there, doctor? DR. ZAIUS: His destiny.

    You’re taking a big risk. Turnabout is fair play and two can play at that game.

  56. I’m still confused: why would Facebook Zuckerberg have a sister named Donna? What up? And, why is her axe so big, and, to grind, exactly what? I am often confused these days…due to age I guess…however, I’m not quite at death’s door, yet. But, shit, I am enjoying everyone not “getting” the alt-right: it is not a movement or defined group…it is nothing…it is basically, a microaggression from the windage that we deal with everyday. I am not worried. Smooth sailing is all I see as people are waking up to the reality of their bank accounts, savings, investments (most important), checking (fast money) for their kids/college kids – the spendthrifts. SO, whining about the alt-right is boring when she, her brother, and we (fortunate ones) have had our retirement accounts up 20% with Trump…MAGA is gonna echo in the ears of liberals for decades to come.

  57. @Jason Liu
    Unfettered academia is a danger to society. Throughout history, nations have gradually realized that different sectors of society must be controlled and regulated or they will ruin the nation.

    For example, the military must be controlled or they will start pointless wars. The commerce sector must be regulated or they will sell out the country's interests for profit. Academia must be regulated or it infects society with childish idealism.

    The difference here is that academia as a powerful, widespread institution is a relatively new phenomenon, 200 years old at the most, and its current influence greatly magnified by mass media. Because of its newness, most societies have not learned how to limit its negative effects. It is no coincidence that nearly every bit of social justice extremism has its origin in universities.

    In order to end leftism, the destructiveness of academia must be memed into the public consciousness, so that a roadmap to regulation can be created as a political issue, and passed onto right-wing politicians.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @guest

    “Academia must be regulated or it infects society with childish idealism”

    You’re too kind to academics, even for a post about how they’re like other corruptible institutions. Academics are in the idealism business. They’re as selfish as Big Oil and the military industrial complex. The only reason anyone thinks they’re above that sort of thing is because they’re responsible for the way we think about them, because they’re in control of our minds.

    Childish, maybe, but idealism? Pfft. I don’t deny that’s one of the ploys, but it’s just a ploy. They’ll fill people’s heads with whatever they want if it’ll give them influence, money, and power. Right now, they’re bent on ruining Western Civilization. As Mz. Zuckerberg is doing with one of its Fountainheads, the classics.

  58. I o not perceive much evidence of hankering for the strong, manly stalwarts of the alt-right within the loins of the young, liberal womanhood of America – as opposed to minted tech overlords. The view among the white left appears to be that they are icky,boorish video-game playing losers who have yet to experience a woman’s touch and spend their leisure time sending racist tweets to people like the black lady who was in the Ghostbusters reboot. If Richard Spencer or Milo bag themselves retired ballerinas or Miranda Kerr, please post news of it here.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
    @Ali Choudhury


    I o not perceive much evidence of hankering for the strong, manly stalwarts of the alt-right within the loins of the young, liberal womanhood of America – as opposed to minted tech overlords.
     
    Look at their actions not their words. Here is a review of the the film made of the fastest selling books of all time. Books that only sexually mature women bought.

    http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a13308/fifty-shades-of-grey-movie-review/
    , @anonguy
    @Ali Choudhury


    I o not perceive much evidence of hankering for the strong, manly stalwarts of the alt-right within the loins of the young, liberal womanhood of America – as opposed to minted tech overlords. The view among the white left appears to be that they are icky,boorish video-game playing losers who have yet to experience a woman’s touch and spend their leisure time sending racist tweets to people like the black lady who was in the Ghostbusters reboot. If Richard Spencer or Milo bag themselves retired ballerinas or Miranda Kerr, please post news of it here.
     
    Agree 100%. Alt-right is composed of frustrated loser boys. It is a graduate program for PUAs.
  59. (Long one, Steve)

    A specter is haunting the Internet – the specter of the “alt-right.” The forces of white supremacy and toxic masculinity, fueled by a sense of entitlement dwarfed only by their inflated estimation of their own intelligence, have entered into an unholy alliance to remove feminism, political correctness, and multiculturalism from America. …

    The alt-light has a lofty sense of the merits of their argument. And they’re right, they routinely maul SJWs, on the rare occasions SJWs leave their bubble. Alt-right shreds leftists books, mouthpieces, and arguments. There are several reasons for this:

    1 Southpaw advantage: everyone’s heard the left’s argument, such as it is, all their lives. They’ve never heard anything but a caricature of the alt-right’s argument. This makes every alt-righter look very good because they look so much better than the caricature; in fact, they look better than leftists.

    2 Leftist absolutism: sort of an alt-southpaw advantage; left’s zero tolerance position makes them look very bad, once the reality of the alt-right hits the audience. The alt-right are just people, with perfectly reasonable positions, so the left come out of the deal looking like lying intolerant totalitarians.

    3 The left is scheisse. It’s a quasi-religious, total mental institution. And the more you examine it, the worse it looks.

    4 Another corollary of the southpaw advantage; alt-right are, at the moment, mostly smart, curious, independent thinkers. Compared to your typical lefty, your typical alt-righter is vastly well-informed.

    5 Alt-right actually has a sensible basis, unlike leftism, which is pretty obviously non compos mentis.

    My roundabout point here is that the alt-right’s swagger is down to having the superior argument, not the superior intellect. A run-of-the-mill alt-righter can and does routinely maul your average leftist college professor.

    Who are these people? They are part of a group of a few hundred thousand men who have “swallowed the red pill” and belong to a few allied online movements: not just the Alt-Right, but also men’s rights activists, the manosphere, and GamerGate. …

    A recent poll, in the wake of Charlottesville, indicated that 10% of the American public “strongly supports” the alt-right.

    Online alt-righters are the online activist segment of the alt-right population.

    P.S., I love it when center-leftists say stuff like “OMG I’m a medieval studies professor and I just noticed that the alt-right are the only place I see “cool” medieval avatars and symbols…” or “TFW you notice that the alt-right are waaaaaaaay more into western civ than your students are.”

    Donna: My harassment began in the final days of 2016. At its worst, I was receiving a steady stream of emails and tweets filled with misogynistic, anti-Semitic bile. Some of these missives helpfully included links to longer and even more vitriolic rants about me, my work, and my family….

    This is how Jews describe when they get a torrent of emails and comments that are 99% cogently argued, forming a critique far too devastating to acknowledge, and 1% bile. They ignore the 99% and focus monomaniacally on the 1% because 1 they have no argument, and no response 2 they’re dishonest, 1+2 they’re dishonest activists with no argument.

    Do you ever get the feeling that some of the current frumpus involves Teen Vogue- and Cosmo-reading girls wanting to be both socially respectable for belonging to the conformist Ctrl-Left and wanting the sexy bad boys of the Alt-Right to notice them?

    The left has outlawed masculinity. OF COURSE they’re pining away for someone to smash their power structure. I wish I had a dollar for every leftist male I ran across who was clearly dying inside: appropriating alt-right/anti-SJW terminology like “snowflake” and “cuck”, unironically using homosexual slurs under stress, and in general projecting and signaling their own dissatisfaction with their limpwristed effeminate worldview in every way possible.

    When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”

    1984 is the left’s instruction manual. They have to switch all the meanings of words around because their ideology is scheisse. They want to lecture, but everyone hates lectures, prefers conversations, so they call their lectures conversations.

    Donna: Most harassment is framed in deeply personal terms, as an attack on an individual’s scholarship, appearance, and behavior. It can therefore be difficult to extricate the characteristics of the individual from the overall circumstance of the harassment.

    An attack on an individual’s scholarship is not “deeply personal.” It is an attack on an individual’s scholarship. This is the very definition of impersonal. An attack on an individual’s behavior is not ipso facto deeply personal, either, what with scholarship being a product of behavior. I suppose leftist console themselves on this by lauding their own method of simply making shit up and attributing it to their critics; what they’re criticizing has no connection whatsoever to the people they’re attributing it to…

    I am a relatively recent Ivy League PhD (2014), unaffiliated to any academic institution (although at the time I was connected to the Paideia Institute), a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity. Some of these factors mark me as privileged, while others do not

    Actually they all mark her as privileged; none so much as Jewishness.

    1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself.

    In short, her privilege wasn’t enough to mobilize White Knights to defend her.

    but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas

    No, they really can’t. That’s the whole problem. Engaging with the alt-right results in a loss for the left, every time. Hence all the censorship, safe spaces, political correctness, etc.

    Support isn’t a zero-sum game: withholding it from someone you consider privileged doesn’t mean you’ll have more to give to someone less privileged.

    Time is a zero-sum game. Any support worth the name takes time, time one won’t have to spend on other things. Also, LOL @ “withholding support,” like it’s not the default state of things.

    Well, Dr. Zuckerberg, you are writing about them” “Red Pill communities” as you describe them. So is it all that surprising that the objects of your derision expression derision in return?

    Exactly. Jews bash Whites (in the form of “my fellow awful white people…”), Whites show up and bash Jews. OMG, antisemitism!!!

    • Replies: @AM
    @Svigor

    Well written.

    Just so you know, a "southpaw" is a lefty, not a right handed person. Maybe I'm confusing the terms - LOL.


    Engaging with the alt-right results in a loss for the left, every time. Hence all the censorship, safe spaces, political correctness, etc.

     

    I was willing to dive into the muck to find out what it was about. I came out with what feels like a now properly righted worldview.

    Cleaned up, most "alt-right" positions are compelling because simply stated, they are based in truth.
  60. @Achilles
    Playing the victim to suppress criticism. Still boring the gazillionth time.

    a close relative of a wealthy celebrity

     

    That's how she describes Mark? Merely a "wealthy celebrity"? Wouldn't "phenomenally successfully entrepreneur or businessman" be more fitting? What a diss.

    O/T: The Institute for Jewish Policy Research just released a survey of the British public to measure anti-Semitic attitudes.

    http://www.jpr.org.uk/publication?id=9993


    This study, supported by the Community Security Trust, takes an in-depth look at attitudes towards Jews and Israel among the population of Great Britain, both across society as a whole, and in key subgroups within the population, notably the far-left, the far-right, Christians and Muslims.

    It introduces the concept of the ‘elastic view’ of antisemitism, arguing that as antisemitism is an attitude, it exists at different scales and levels of intensity. Thus no single figure can capture the level of antisemitism in society, and all figures need to be carefully explained and understood.
     

    Indicators used to measure anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism were agreement or disagreement with selected statements:

    1. Jews exploit Holocaust victimhood for their own purposes
    2. Jews think they are better than other people
    3. The interests of Jews in Britain are very different from the interests of the rest
    4. British Jews make a positive contribution to British society
    5. Israel exploits Holocaust victimhood for its own purposes
    6. People should boycott Israeli goods and products
    7. Israel is committing mass murder in Palestine
    8. Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East

    Replies: @eD, @guest, @Lot

    Given its placement at #1, Norman Finkelstein, son of two Holocaust survivors, is the biggest anti-semite ever.

  61. @eD
    @Achilles

    What does it signify if you answer "yes" to all eight questions?

    Replies: @guest

    That you have common sense.

    No, wait, that you’re evil, I meant.

  62. @Cagey Beast
    Does anyone out there know of another time in history when the ruling class also insisted it was the primus inter pares victim class? Has any other society been run by holy martyrs who manage to avoid actually dying, sacred human scapegoats* or anything similar? Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

    Replies: @Barnard, @gcochran, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Ragno, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    We could make honest men and women out of them.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @gcochran

    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us. Our recent forefathers were liberal and gracious enough to allow them into our institutions and they use them as a platform from which to hunt us. How many generations separate Dr Zuckerberg from the cossacks yet she still sees it as her prime directive to drive us out and bring us down?

    Why do Lady Zuckerberg and the Alt-Right find each other so interesting? Because they both know the other helps prove their case. Zuckerella knows she will not secure the final victory until all White men submit to her version of their civilization. In turn, the Alt-Right knows her writings help show we can never share a country or society with Jews. Give them everything one could possibly imagine and they still want to extirpate you.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  63. @TelfoedJohn
    Woke classicist reading list:
    https://sarahemilybond.com/2017/09/10/hold-my-mead-a-bibliography-for-historians-hitting-back-at-white-supremacy/amp/

    Replies: @Ivy, @guest, @dr kill

    “Teaching Medieval Studies in a Time of White Supremacy”

    You mean now? I guess de facto white supremacy in this, our civilization, is a given. But I think she means a time of white supremacist rule, or at least a time with white supremacy rising.

    Coulda fooled me! Here, I thought we still lived in a time of white degradation and political correctness. Hence the fact that someone can make a living writing articles like Teaching Medieval Studies in a Time of White Supremacy.

    By the way, what the heck is “Medieval Studies?” Do they mean Medieval History? Why are they going with “studies?” Is “history” too much of a burden? Or is at all “studies” by now? Most things are named “studies” to hide the fact that they aren’t actual disciplines. No one says “physics studies,” for instance. History lacks that problem. It’s perfectly fine to simply call things “history.”

  64. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from;"

    I think she meant "I didn't have a traditional academic job from which I could be fired;" Guess the rules of basic grammar -- like not ending a sentence with a preposition -- weren't taught at those Ivy League institutions.

    If Dr. Donna is reading, here is a list of prepositions she can reference so she doesn't use them to end sentences. "From" is on the list:
    http://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/list-of-prepositions.html

    Or is just mentioning this "harassment?"

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Kylie, @Eagle Eye

    What you mean is:

    If Dr. Donna is reading, here is a list of prepositions she can refer to so as not to use them to end sentences WITH.

  65. @EL Dato
    Teen Vogue

    Why does that even exist?

    I think the Mullahs are right on certain matters.

    Anyway, and while I'm against death threats of all kind, and although the writing makes me think about Rosa Luxemburg in spite of my forgiving character, I do want to become a card-carrying member of the Unholy Alliance. Toxic masculinity causing intersections, whether classic or not, to become unicultural? Hell yeah.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Sane Left Libertarian, @CCZ, @Roger, @guest

    “Why does that even exist?”

    To sell sex paraphernalia to teen girls. Maybe face cream and junk, too.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @guest

    Their junk supply comes with a handy applicator and free face cream refills.

  66. @Sane Left Libertarian
    @EL Dato


    Why does that even exist?

     

    Because people buy it. That's the only measure of worth or even viability. I sometimes wonder if Euclid or Euler or Hilbert would have ever been heard of if Survivior and Big Brother and DWTS had been on TV when they were doing their things.

    Replies: @guest, @NOTA

    Like most magazines, it probably doesn’t sell that well. Usually they’re propped up by advertisers.

  67. @Anonymous
    "Most harassment is framed in deeply personal terms, as an attack on an individual’s scholarship, appearance, and behavior."

    Is criticism of scholarship not only an attack, but a personal attack, and consequently harassment?

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    “Is criticism of scholarship not only an attack, but a personal attack, and consequently harassment?”

    Yes, if you’re a woman and it’s not foreplay.

  68. @Achilles
    Playing the victim to suppress criticism. Still boring the gazillionth time.

    a close relative of a wealthy celebrity

     

    That's how she describes Mark? Merely a "wealthy celebrity"? Wouldn't "phenomenally successfully entrepreneur or businessman" be more fitting? What a diss.

    O/T: The Institute for Jewish Policy Research just released a survey of the British public to measure anti-Semitic attitudes.

    http://www.jpr.org.uk/publication?id=9993


    This study, supported by the Community Security Trust, takes an in-depth look at attitudes towards Jews and Israel among the population of Great Britain, both across society as a whole, and in key subgroups within the population, notably the far-left, the far-right, Christians and Muslims.

    It introduces the concept of the ‘elastic view’ of antisemitism, arguing that as antisemitism is an attitude, it exists at different scales and levels of intensity. Thus no single figure can capture the level of antisemitism in society, and all figures need to be carefully explained and understood.
     

    Indicators used to measure anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism were agreement or disagreement with selected statements:

    1. Jews exploit Holocaust victimhood for their own purposes
    2. Jews think they are better than other people
    3. The interests of Jews in Britain are very different from the interests of the rest
    4. British Jews make a positive contribution to British society
    5. Israel exploits Holocaust victimhood for its own purposes
    6. People should boycott Israeli goods and products
    7. Israel is committing mass murder in Palestine
    8. Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East

    Replies: @eD, @guest, @Lot

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer “wrong.” Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.
     
    I’m pretty sure most Brits are aware they can be arrested and imprisoned for “hate.” Not hard to ‘ace’ the survey if one is aware of the consequences for wrong answers.

    Wikipedia:

    The CST has five offices, 55 members of staff and a network of 3,000 volunteers from all parts of the Jewish community, who are trained by the CST and the Police. The organisation's philosophy is that the Jewish community is responsible for its own security. It works closely with Police Services around the country and is recognised by Government and Police as a model of a minority community security organisation.
     
    Wot. The middle sentence is completely contradicted by its bookends.
    , @Cagey Beast
    @Lot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAGaYi2Kem8

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @AM
    @Lot


    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer “wrong.” Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.
     
    claps with the enthusiasm of a kindergarten teacher Yippee, comrade!

    You know, the Brits were a lot less suicidal when they were openly anti-semitic. Meanwhile, all y'all need to do is convert and nobody thinks Jews are weird and self-serving anymore.

    It's really not our fault or the Brits that the Germans went on a bender (nor is it the stain of the living Germans). I'd like to see Europe live and return to it's fully human status again. Jewish neurosis, even with some evidence, on any level are not really everyone else's problem.

    This isn't a good development in a culture that traditionally just speaks it's mind when it comes to other cultures. It's suggests that it's about 5 minutes from reaching for the gun to commit suicide. Or more likely just allows itself to be colonized by Islam and hope the rest of their lives don't suck too much under their new Islamic overlords.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer “wrong.”
     
    Gosh, do they get a reward for good behavior?

    Getting to keep thier country, perhaps?

    Or, at least, maybe a dog-biscuit?

    As J.I.E. pointed out, given that publicly giving a "wrong" answer (as YOU style it) could land them in trouble with the coppers, maybe the result is not so surprising.
    , @Forbes
    @Lot

    Polling/surveys have turned into a PC vanity-signaling game in opinion conformity. The uselessness of polls is repeated regularly.

  69. Pro-tip on logical fallacies: they aren’t fallacies if you aren’t hinging an argument on them. I.e., an insult isn’t ipso facto an ad hominem argument. Pretending they are fallacies (i.e., ignoring the 99%, obsessing over the 1%) almost certainly is a fallacy (though I’d be at a loss to name it without some research). Ironic, no?

    That’s how she describes Mark? Merely a “wealthy celebrity”? Wouldn’t “phenomenally successfully entrepreneur or businessman” be more fitting? What a diss.

    But “multi-billionaire” and “oligarch” are so accurate, connote such privilege…

    Indicators used to measure anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism were agreement or disagreement with selected statements:

    1. Jews exploit Holocaust victimhood for their own purposes
    2. Jews think they are better than other people
    3. The interests of Jews in Britain are very different from the interests of the rest
    4. British Jews make a positive contribution to British society
    5. Israel exploits Holocaust victimhood for its own purposes
    6. People should boycott Israeli goods and products
    7. Israel is committing mass murder in Palestine
    8. Israel is the only real democracy in the Middle East

    1 Check 2 Check 3 Check 4 Tendentious Question 5 Check 6 Check 7 Tendentious Question 8 Sure why not? You’re comparing yourselves to Muslims, Arabs, Persians, etc.

    I think she meant “I didn’t have a traditional academic job from which I could be fired;” Guess the rules of basic grammar — like not ending a sentence with a preposition — weren’t taught at those Ivy League institutions.

    Not ending a sentence with a preposition is pretty much dead, granting for the purposes of argument that it was ever really alive.

    Maliciously patronizing (or maybe ‘matronizing’) academics now use ‘conversation’ as a euphemism for hectoring the peons because they can’t fool anybody anymore with their pleas for ‘dialog’. That one’s been used up.

    Yes, there’s a real scorched Earth aspect to the left’s eternal language churn (the relatively short shelf life of euphemisms for “sub-Saharan African” is my favorite example).

  70. @The Last Real Calvinist

    When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”

     

    Maliciously patronizing (or maybe 'matronizing') academics now use 'conversation' as a euphemism for hectoring the peons because they can't fool anybody anymore with their pleas for 'dialog'. That one's been used up.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @black sea

    matronizing

    Gold box

    See CNN today

  71. “Microaffirmations.” It really is all about feelings with women, isn’t it?

  72. @unpc downunder
    A lot of right-wingers respond to this BS by describing it as "cultural Marxism," but this doesn't seem to be a label which is having much political impact. Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism, rather than a self-indulgent, self-contradictory ideology that is totally unhinged from logic. A better label might be post-rational leftism.

    Whatever the label, it's vital to ram home the point that this really is an ideology divorced from reason. As Jordan Peterson points out, the modern left prefers to operate in post-modern feels mode, but has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right. If it stays in feels mode, then it can't argue that a left wing narrative is any better than a right wing narrative. The right needs to make it harder for the left to have it both ways, even if that means crediting the old left with a certain amount of intellectual value.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @The Last Real Calvinist

    post-rational leftism

    That’s pretty good.

  73. Is this about Donna Zuckerberg picking a fight, getting her worthless ass whipped, and now coming back for more? “You wouldn’t want to mess with me, goyim, I’ll have you know my brother is quite well known.”

    https://qcurtius.com/2016/12/18/a-response-to-a-detractor/

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Pericles

    "Is this about Donna Zuckerberg picking a fight, getting her worthless ass whipped, and now coming back for more?"

    Not at all. It's about Donna Zuckerberg condescendingly smearing her enemies and then feeling outraged and victimized because they have the temerity to respond. She expects that faced with her empowered womanhood, her solid scholarship and her proximity to a major celeb, her pronouncements will be received with due deference and respect.

    Apply sneer quotes as appropriate.

    Replies: @res

  74. “I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because 1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself. As a field, we can’t really do much to stop external harassment from happening – but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas and keep them from poisoning our collegial relationships, and we can reflect on how intersections of privilege and oppression play into our misconceptions.”

    To read between the lines, especitally those between points 2 and 3, it seems that she approached scholars she didn’t know and they were nonplussed because they, in contrast to her, did not consider her part of the “field”. Which would be unsurprising given that she does not have an academic job, I could not quickly find any academic publications of hers on Google scholar and her internet page seems to publish mostly lifestyle articles and political commentary rather than anything resembling scholarship.

    • Replies: @Broski
    @LemmusLemmus

    She thinks her brother's money can buy her entrance into the highest circles of the field. Nouveau riche at its worst. (I hope this observation doesn't trigger any readers' epigenetic country club memories.)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    , @guest
    @LemmusLemmus

    "engaging in public scholarship"

    Is that her euphemism for propagandizing and staying "relevant" by drafting off of popular movements with funny names? Her contempt for whom she couldn't possibly conceal. But how much great scholarship didn't derive from petty contempt for your subject?

    "I'm a Public Intellectual, you 'red-pilled' peasants. How dare you lay fingers on my scholarly person?"

    , @Rod1963
    @LemmusLemmus

    IOW she's a academic non entity trying to gain access to academia by virtue of her brother's wealth.

    She must be sheer hell to be around.

    Replies: @Simon in London, @Forbes

    , @Paco Wové
    @LemmusLemmus

    “I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because..."

    Because they don't consider you, someone without a position in the academy, to be a "colleague". I remember people in her position being referred to as stillborn Ph.D.'s. The degree is nice and all that, but if you don't have the credibility of institutional affiliation, you're definitely on a lower rank.

  75. Whatever the label, it’s vital to ram home the point that this really is an ideology divorced from reason. As Jordan Peterson points out, the modern left prefers to operate in post-modern feels mode, but has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right. If it stays in feels mode, then it can’t argue that a left wing narrative is any better than a right wing narrative. The right needs to make it harder for the left to have it both ways, even if that means crediting the old left with a certain amount of intellectual value.

    Steve was right to highlight your comment. One change I’d make is to ditch the “feels” thing. It’s fine for bantz, but in truth leftists don’t give a shit about anyone’s feelings except as a means to an end, through their who-whom lens. I’d go with religion as the proper substitute here. Leftists don’t lead with their feelings, they lead with their religion, which makes about as much sense sans understanding of their (usually implicit) Who-Whom Commandment as the Old Testament does sans understanding of Jewish ethnocentrism.

  76. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    Replies: @Broski, @ben tillman

    It is not a rule of grammar, but of style. It has sufficient subscription that the skilled editor avoids its violation.

  77. @LemmusLemmus
    "I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because 1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself. As a field, we can’t really do much to stop external harassment from happening – but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas and keep them from poisoning our collegial relationships, and we can reflect on how intersections of privilege and oppression play into our misconceptions."

    To read between the lines, especitally those between points 2 and 3, it seems that she approached scholars she didn't know and they were nonplussed because they, in contrast to her, did not consider her part of the "field". Which would be unsurprising given that she does not have an academic job, I could not quickly find any academic publications of hers on Google scholar and her internet page seems to publish mostly lifestyle articles and political commentary rather than anything resembling scholarship.

    Replies: @Broski, @guest, @Rod1963, @Paco Wové

    She thinks her brother’s money can buy her entrance into the highest circles of the field. Nouveau riche at its worst. (I hope this observation doesn’t trigger any readers’ epigenetic country club memories.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Broski

    And perhaps she thought if she barged in, shook the hornet's nest and got stung -- suffered for their art ("performatively", as they say) -- that would count for something. Bit gauche.

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Broski

    Donnita's real threat is:

    "Don't mess with me. My brother works for some really scary Deep State dudes. They can even hush up pizzagate child sex murders for people they like."

  78. 70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer “wrong.” Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    Amazing how often “pro Jew answer” correlates with “lies.”

  79. @unpc downunder
    A lot of right-wingers respond to this BS by describing it as "cultural Marxism," but this doesn't seem to be a label which is having much political impact. Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism, rather than a self-indulgent, self-contradictory ideology that is totally unhinged from logic. A better label might be post-rational leftism.

    Whatever the label, it's vital to ram home the point that this really is an ideology divorced from reason. As Jordan Peterson points out, the modern left prefers to operate in post-modern feels mode, but has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right. If it stays in feels mode, then it can't argue that a left wing narrative is any better than a right wing narrative. The right needs to make it harder for the left to have it both ways, even if that means crediting the old left with a certain amount of intellectual value.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism”

    No it doesn’t. Certainly not after the term “culture” has been dragged through the mud for more than a century.

  80. @LemmusLemmus
    "I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because 1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself. As a field, we can’t really do much to stop external harassment from happening – but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas and keep them from poisoning our collegial relationships, and we can reflect on how intersections of privilege and oppression play into our misconceptions."

    To read between the lines, especitally those between points 2 and 3, it seems that she approached scholars she didn't know and they were nonplussed because they, in contrast to her, did not consider her part of the "field". Which would be unsurprising given that she does not have an academic job, I could not quickly find any academic publications of hers on Google scholar and her internet page seems to publish mostly lifestyle articles and political commentary rather than anything resembling scholarship.

    Replies: @Broski, @guest, @Rod1963, @Paco Wové

    “engaging in public scholarship”

    Is that her euphemism for propagandizing and staying “relevant” by drafting off of popular movements with funny names? Her contempt for whom she couldn’t possibly conceal. But how much great scholarship didn’t derive from petty contempt for your subject?

    “I’m a Public Intellectual, you ‘red-pilled’ peasants. How dare you lay fingers on my scholarly person?”

  81. ‘The Jew strikes out in pain as he strikes you’ – Polish Proverb

  82. @LemmusLemmus
    "I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because 1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself. As a field, we can’t really do much to stop external harassment from happening – but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas and keep them from poisoning our collegial relationships, and we can reflect on how intersections of privilege and oppression play into our misconceptions."

    To read between the lines, especitally those between points 2 and 3, it seems that she approached scholars she didn't know and they were nonplussed because they, in contrast to her, did not consider her part of the "field". Which would be unsurprising given that she does not have an academic job, I could not quickly find any academic publications of hers on Google scholar and her internet page seems to publish mostly lifestyle articles and political commentary rather than anything resembling scholarship.

    Replies: @Broski, @guest, @Rod1963, @Paco Wové

    IOW she’s a academic non entity trying to gain access to academia by virtue of her brother’s wealth.

    She must be sheer hell to be around.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Rod1963

    I hadn't realised she doesn't actually have an academic position. She has a PhD and publishes a 'woke' magazine but does not actually do any academic stuff. I think she should get a job, maybe teach Classics at a Community College.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jake, @Mr. Anon

    , @Forbes
    @Rod1963

    And she's not even easy on the eyes...

  83. She-Zucc wouldn’t know actual scholarship if it bit her in the ass. Any learned profession that still functioned would drive her out with ridicule.

  84. @Broski
    @LemmusLemmus

    She thinks her brother's money can buy her entrance into the highest circles of the field. Nouveau riche at its worst. (I hope this observation doesn't trigger any readers' epigenetic country club memories.)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    And perhaps she thought if she barged in, shook the hornet’s nest and got stung — suffered for their art (“performatively”, as they say) — that would count for something. Bit gauche.

  85. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I notice the she-Zuck seems to have started on her public career of making an idiot of herself on the internet about the same time her brother decided to run for president. In fact, all of her 3 siblings are more ambitious and successful than Donna is. It looks a lot like her brother’s run has finally caused the untalented and unnoticed child in the family to blow up with sibling rivalry and go splat all over the internet.

    Stuff like the link below is absolutely ridiculous, and may very well help sink her brother’s presidential campaign. Maybe that’s what she’s really up to. Maybe golden boy brother Mark is her secret most-hated white male. Being the only male out of three children in an ambitious Jewish family with high expectations probably led to a lot of favoritism and attention being given towards Mark, and it left Donna seething with jealousy. Out of all the SJW tropes, she obsesses over white male privilege more than anything else.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Projecting the inevitable within-family resentments outward to being the fault of the greater society ...

    It's really good strategy for maintaining cohesion within an ethnic group as long as you don't have a society in general to care about.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Looking at her, she reminded me of the song "Green Hair". https://youtu.be/nral90W3gMs Dyeing the hair, taking on causes they don't really care about, cutting themselves, are just things women do to be the center of attention. Deep down what they really want is to be adulated. Donna Zuckerberg is an extreme example of that.

  86. Padeia? Isn’t that run by that evil Barbara Spectre individual that wants to force Europe to become multicultural? “Jews will be resented for our leading role.”

    And Teen Vogue recently ran a graphic article teaching kids all about the details of anal sex. Absolute degeneracy.

  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    A lot of right-wingers respond to this BS by describing it as "cultural Marxism," but this doesn't seem to be a label which is having much political impact. Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism, rather than a self-indulgent, self-contradictory ideology that is totally unhinged from logic. A better label might be post-rational leftism.

    Whatever the label, it's vital to ram home the point that this really is an ideology divorced from reason. As Jordan Peterson points out, the modern left prefers to operate in post-modern feels mode, but has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right. If it stays in feels mode, then it can't argue that a left wing narrative is any better than a right wing narrative. The right needs to make it harder for the left to have it both ways, even if that means crediting the old left with a certain amount of intellectual value.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Marxism” ought to alarm Boomers and neolibs, and brings to mind radical student politics and failed revolutionary idealism.

    “Cultural Marxism” connotes the shift from class war and economic issues to identity politics that some old school leftists would consider a divisive perversion. If “post-rationalist leftism” is supposed to get at the race- and gender-science denialism of the left it is attacking a symptom of identity politics rather than a cause. The science of the “female” brain is acceptable when it’s found in a male body, i.e. when it’s used to bolster transgender identity politics; the attack on Enlightenment rationalism is framed in terms of its colonial white maleness, etc.

    It’s funny how Wikipedia got “Cultural Marxism” dubbed a “conspiracy theory”. Almost like it got their number.

  88. @Rod1963
    @LemmusLemmus

    IOW she's a academic non entity trying to gain access to academia by virtue of her brother's wealth.

    She must be sheer hell to be around.

    Replies: @Simon in London, @Forbes

    I hadn’t realised she doesn’t actually have an academic position. She has a PhD and publishes a ‘woke’ magazine but does not actually do any academic stuff. I think she should get a job, maybe teach Classics at a Community College.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Simon in London

    She can live like a queen off of 0.01% of her brother's income. He probably hooks her up.

    , @Jake
    @Simon in London

    Oh yes, because the Numinous Negroes would give up both fried chicken and watermelon to have a chance to learn Greek and Latin and Classical history and philosophy, sitting in adoring wonder at the feet of a filthy rich Jewess who is so good as to help them, with no ulterior motive.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Simon in London


    I hadn’t realised she doesn’t actually have an academic position. She has a PhD and publishes a ‘woke’ magazine but does not actually do any academic stuff. I think she should get a job, maybe teach Classics at a Community College.
     
    Actually, it would be better if she didn't.

    Someday, perhaps, her brother will buy her an endowed chair at a prestigious university.
  89. Lauren Duca’s Teen Vogue column simply follows Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism.

    She’s an older woman (by Teen Vogue standards) with rapidly-diminishing looks (judging by recent photos), trying to convince younger, prettier, more fertile women to stay out of the dating pool for as long as possible. She just doesn’t want the competition.

    I suspect Teen Vogue readers couldn’t care less about her writing, so she won’t last long there.

  90. @Simon in London
    @Rod1963

    I hadn't realised she doesn't actually have an academic position. She has a PhD and publishes a 'woke' magazine but does not actually do any academic stuff. I think she should get a job, maybe teach Classics at a Community College.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jake, @Mr. Anon

    She can live like a queen off of 0.01% of her brother’s income. He probably hooks her up.

  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    On the subject of Rome, the best part of the remake of “Ben Hur” was the scene that shows the Roman Legion entering Jerusalem. Here it is:

    This was an awesome scene in an otherwise pretty forgettable remake. This scene is correct: as they marched, Roman soldiers would sing praises to Mars, the god of blood lust, virility and destruction. And they would do so with great joy. This was a time when men were unapologetically men. Even the dialogue between Messala Severus and his Jewish “brother”, Ben Hur, gave the idea what was the path of a man back then.

    MESSALA: They are recruiting for the campaign against the northern barbarians. They need men. I have decided to join the Legion.

    BEN HUR: You will fight for those butchers?

    MESSALA: Those butchers pay well.

    BEN HUR: Think of your family name. You don’t need that.

    MESSALA: “Your family name. I need money. A man is nothing without money.”

    And that ended the discussion right there:”I need money because a man is nothing without money.”

    I guess the World hasn’t really changed that much: men still are far more driven to excel and to build stuff than women are, from rockets to empires, and to seek status. Donna should know that, by just having the brother she has.

    Of course, Mark Zuckerberg and Messala Severus are radically different kinds of men. One made his fortune the old fashioned way, with conquest, plunder and politics, while Zuckerberg is a bourgeoise and techie who became rich by creating a product that people want. But in the end, the basic drive to excel, overcome and build stuff is stereotypically male.

    I wonder how Donna feels about the fact that in ancient Rome, a civilization she worships so much, Roman men were unapologetically male and sexist, and would march to war singing praises about how great it is to offer the blood of the enemy to the god of war, and to steal their land and rape their women? How does Donna feel about that? Maybe Donna has Stockhold Syndrome about the Romans conquering her people and can’t help but lust after the brashly macho Messala Severus?

    https://youtu.be/pDSu1kToK0U

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Donna might have "Stockhold Syndrome". Is that the one in which her view of the world is affected by being supported by her brother?

  92. @The Last Real Calvinist

    When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”

     

    Maliciously patronizing (or maybe 'matronizing') academics now use 'conversation' as a euphemism for hectoring the peons because they can't fool anybody anymore with their pleas for 'dialog'. That one's been used up.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @black sea

    When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”

    Hi Peter, what’s happening? We need to talk about your TPS reports.

  93. Donna Zuckerberg:

    We still have a long way to go in tearing down the boundaries to access to our discipline, which has historically been the province of the wealthy – so rather than speculating about each other’s personal net worths, let’s all focus on making our discipline more inclusive and accessible to all. …

    From a Washington University in St. Louis webpage for those considering graduate study in Classics:

    PhD programs in Classics are difficult and often take six or more years.

    The job market for university professors of Classics is exceedingly tight. There is a good possibility that you will never obtain a permanent position teaching Classics at a college or university, even if you successfully complete a PhD in Classics in a first-rate program.

    According to payscale.com, the median salary for a professor of Classics is $83,358.

    Isn’t this the sort of the field that by definition skews toward people who either don’t need to make a living or feel confident that a soft landing awaits them if academia doesn’t pan out. Like, for example, people related to billionaires.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @black sea

    "According to payscale.com, the median salary for a professor of Classics is $83,358."

    You might be interested in: https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728

  94. @Buffalo Joe
    I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent. I appreciate the classics and classical music and art, but if Steve didn't publish articles on or by Donna Zuckerburg, I wouldn't know of her existence. There are more people like her than there are "red-pill" members of the Manoshere. Steve don't feed this troll.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Disagree. I like to see what’s under the rocks Steve overturns.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Jenner, Ok, lift the rock, take a peek and then drop the rock back on them. Works for me.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  95. and wanting the sexy bad boys of the Alt-Right to notice

    Well, she thinks about bad boys inflating their IQ. Does it stop there?

  96. @Lot
    @Achilles

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer "wrong." Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Cagey Beast, @AM, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    I’m pretty sure most Brits are aware they can be arrested and imprisoned for “hate.” Not hard to ‘ace’ the survey if one is aware of the consequences for wrong answers.

    Wikipedia:

    The CST has five offices, 55 members of staff and a network of 3,000 volunteers from all parts of the Jewish community, who are trained by the CST and the Police. The organisation’s philosophy is that the Jewish community is responsible for its own security. It works closely with Police Services around the country and is recognised by Government and Police as a model of a minority community security organisation.

    Wot. The middle sentence is completely contradicted by its bookends.

  97. @Ivy
    @TelfoedJohn

    That bibliography reflects some serious butt-hurt. Imagine the hours involved in the curation of resources, the painstaking compilation and the inevitable excreting. The micro-aggressions add up to levels that would impress even the self-affirmation master Stuart Smalley. (Of course, the latter's spirit in the US Senate lends greater gravitas.)

    Sic transit Gloria Mundi, or was it Gloria Vanderbilt's spawn AC 360. When is the Classical News Network Breaking News Interview Special, or will that have to wait until later in the election cycle? I bet their people have called their people.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    A good place to study the SJWs is metafilter.com – you have to pay to comment and the people it attracts are north eastern liberal SJW types. White people worshipping diversity.

    You can see their response to this stuff here:
    http://www.metafilter.com/169424/Hold-My-Mead-Bro

  98. @cwhatfuture
    The classics collegium's future usefulness declines with every Indian and Somalian and Chinese immigrant she and her brother demand we bring to these shores. Maybe that accounts for the less than enthusiastic defense she is getting from the collegium (fraternity sounds better but I guess that is out).

    Replies: @Anonym, @Verymuchalive

    Francis Fukuyama has a degree in Classics, but he is Japanese-American. Indeed, from my personal experience, the only Asians that had any interest in Classics, Classical Archaeology or Ancient History were Japanese or part-Japanese.
    Maybe this ties into Mr Steve’s observation ( can’t remember which post ) that the exogamy rate of Japanese-Americans is now so high that there will soon be none of them left.
    Living in a small country in N.W. Europe ( Scotland ) , I don’t see a huge number of them, but those I have known have excellent English language skills and a genuine interest in Scotland and its history. They contrast very favourably with Chinese emigrants.

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @Verymuchalive

    I agree. There are very few Japanese in the West compared to recent immigrant waves. That alone makes a huge difference. The West has always been able to very successfully integrate small numbers of non-Western groups, especially an intelligent one. (Donna Zuckerberg is an example of this herself. 150 years ago, her Jewish ancestors in Middle or Eastern Europe would have had no connection to Western Classics). Moreover, Japanese tend to intermarry and lack the hostility you find in more recent groups, the actor that played Mr. Sulu notwithstanding. The Chinese have their own classics, of which they can be justifiably proud.

    , @StillCARealist
    @Verymuchalive

    Scotland is a country? I thought it was part of the UK or Great Britain. Can there be countries within countries?

  99. @Ali Choudhury
    I o not perceive much evidence of hankering for the strong, manly stalwarts of the alt-right within the loins of the young, liberal womanhood of America - as opposed to minted tech overlords. The view among the white left appears to be that they are icky,boorish video-game playing losers who have yet to experience a woman's touch and spend their leisure time sending racist tweets to people like the black lady who was in the Ghostbusters reboot. If Richard Spencer or Milo bag themselves retired ballerinas or Miranda Kerr, please post news of it here.

    Replies: @Tyrion, @anonguy

    I o not perceive much evidence of hankering for the strong, manly stalwarts of the alt-right within the loins of the young, liberal womanhood of America – as opposed to minted tech overlords.

    Look at their actions not their words. Here is a review of the the film made of the fastest selling books of all time. Books that only sexually mature women bought.

    http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a13308/fifty-shades-of-grey-movie-review/

  100. She is no different than blacks in that the more she gets, the more she demands, because the more she gets the more she realizes how much of the total she does not control.

    Spoiled Brat Syndrome.

    Writ large, the Spoiled Brat Syndrome is part of every Revolutionary impulse. Take out of the late 19th/early 20th century Russian revolutionary movement all the children of wealth and privilege, at least privilege in education – including large numbers of children of extremely rich Jews and large numbers of children of Orthodox priests and college professors – and that movement would have lost perhaps 3/4ths of its leadership and 3/5ths of its membership. It would have been a nothing movement with the spoiled brat children of the rich and well educated.

    MS Zuckerberg has in her the heart and mind, the will to power, of a potential Trotskyess. And she could oversee the deaths of a couple million and the destruction of the lives of tens of millions, and see herself as the innocent victim doing nothing but good.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jake


    It would have been a nothing movement with the spoiled brat children of the rich and well educated.
     
    Likewise antifa, the Weathermen, et. al.

    Replies: @Forbes

  101. @Simon in London
    @Rod1963

    I hadn't realised she doesn't actually have an academic position. She has a PhD and publishes a 'woke' magazine but does not actually do any academic stuff. I think she should get a job, maybe teach Classics at a Community College.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jake, @Mr. Anon

    Oh yes, because the Numinous Negroes would give up both fried chicken and watermelon to have a chance to learn Greek and Latin and Classical history and philosophy, sitting in adoring wonder at the feet of a filthy rich Jewess who is so good as to help them, with no ulterior motive.

  102. @Roger
    @EL Dato

    You probably won't recommend Teen Vogue for your teenaged daughter.

    NY Post:


    Teen Vogue’s “Guide to Anal Sex” is sparking a slew of outrage — including one mom so incensed, she burned a copy of the mag.

    The magazine posted the guide earlier this month, touting it as “the lowdown on everything you need to know about butt stuff, no matter who you are, whom you’re having sex with, or who you want to have sex with.”

    “This is anal 101, for teens, beginners, and all inquisitive folk,” it reads.
     

    Replies: @Jake

    That is what happens when you allow rich, liberated women to run magazines aimed at your teen daughters. Rich women in decadent cultures (and in the WASP world before it exhibited many outward signs of decadence) have a tendency to be fag-hags, which means they love to have their bestest gay boy BFFs re-make the magazines so that all the gay boys also want to flip through them.

    The result is stuff guides to anal sex for teen girls – giggle, giggle.

    Of course, many teen girls will decide that anal sex must be the height of fashion and anti-homophobia and get busy with it, after which most will not want to be hypocrites and oppose their 40 year neighbor for buggering their baby brother.

  103. @Scott Locklin

    and wanting the sexy bad boys of the Alt-Right to notice them?
     
    I thought I was the only one who noticed. Miss Zuckerberg's unhealthy obsession with naughty boys who she wants to, um, have a political discussion with is one of those bad stereotypes which are usually left behind on college campuses. недаёб.

    Replies: @Anon, @James Kabala

    She kinda reminds me of the Minkowitz doxie sparring with Ignatius Reilly.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  104. @gcochran
    @Cagey Beast

    We could make honest men and women out of them.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us. Our recent forefathers were liberal and gracious enough to allow them into our institutions and they use them as a platform from which to hunt us. How many generations separate Dr Zuckerberg from the cossacks yet she still sees it as her prime directive to drive us out and bring us down?

    Why do Lady Zuckerberg and the Alt-Right find each other so interesting? Because they both know the other helps prove their case. Zuckerella knows she will not secure the final victory until all White men submit to her version of their civilization. In turn, the Alt-Right knows her writings help show we can never share a country or society with Jews. Give them everything one could possibly imagine and they still want to extirpate you.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Cagey Beast


    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us.
     
    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They're midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    Replies: @AM, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast, @Forbes

  105. @Cagey Beast
    Does anyone out there know of another time in history when the ruling class also insisted it was the primus inter pares victim class? Has any other society been run by holy martyrs who manage to avoid actually dying, sacred human scapegoats* or anything similar? Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

    Replies: @Barnard, @gcochran, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Ragno, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    “Behold… I show you the last man.”

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Yes, they must run things because they're the sacred victims who will never allow another Hitler to rise up. They're the Inner Party members who will stamp down any attempts by the Proles mess with our minds or peddle their Newspeak. They're the post-rational heirs to the Enlightenment. They will keep the science that makes new iPhones but discard the science that says the sexes differ. They will take the stale, pale males' 18th century liberalism but celebrate the end of Whites. They deserve all the stuff because they're more competent and capable than us and also because they're our victims in need of compensation.

    This is all going to fall apart soon. One of their ringleaders, Hillary Clinton, is going around trying to cause a constitutional crisis and she's getting a sympathetic hearing from people with real power. This is non-trivial.

  106. @Yak-15
    She pines for a stubble-faced legionnaire to throw her over his should and carry her into the night, the iron smell of fresh enemy blood mixing with his intoxicating leather musk...

    Replies: @Clyde, @Roderick Spode

    The average Roman legionary was 5’7″

  107. R.Don Steele, in his classic “How to Date Young Women for Men Over 35” Volumes I and II, says that if she’s reading Cosmo your star will shine because it regularly features essays extolling the virtues of older men.

  108. Every wolf today needs to be outfitted with a Prog-certified victim sheep skin.

  109. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @Cagey Beast

    "Behold... I show you the last man."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Yes, they must run things because they’re the sacred victims who will never allow another Hitler to rise up. They’re the Inner Party members who will stamp down any attempts by the Proles mess with our minds or peddle their Newspeak. They’re the post-rational heirs to the Enlightenment. They will keep the science that makes new iPhones but discard the science that says the sexes differ. They will take the stale, pale males’ 18th century liberalism but celebrate the end of Whites. They deserve all the stuff because they’re more competent and capable than us and also because they’re our victims in need of compensation.

    This is all going to fall apart soon. One of their ringleaders, Hillary Clinton, is going around trying to cause a constitutional crisis and she’s getting a sympathetic hearing from people with real power. This is non-trivial.

  110. @Scott Locklin

    and wanting the sexy bad boys of the Alt-Right to notice them?
     
    I thought I was the only one who noticed. Miss Zuckerberg's unhealthy obsession with naughty boys who she wants to, um, have a political discussion with is one of those bad stereotypes which are usually left behind on college campuses. недаёб.

    Replies: @Anon, @James Kabala

    If Red Pill or alt-right types actually were ultra-masculine in demeanor, this theory might have more plausibility.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @James Kabala

    I'm neither Jewish nor female but I did see a lot of guys in that torchlight parade who could play Haven Monaghan in the film adaptation of Fifty Shades of White. You may go ahead and insist no Jewish lady academic would be jealous of Richard Spencer's wife* but I'd doubt you. She's got a PhD and can work on her projects, do some hobby photography and raise their kid out on the Spencer family estate. Yeah, that's nothing like the ending of so many of those romance novels the ladies devour like candy.

    * https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina

    Replies: @James Kabala

    , @Scott Locklin
    @James Kabala

    I don't think that would be necessary to scratch Ms. Zuck's neurono-libidinal itch. Ultra-masculine people don't read Seutonius. Naughty and intelligent boys who do, and who are in desperate need of moral reforming: it's sort of like when the women's studies major chases after ... Haven Monahan type frat boys. Happens all the time on collitch campuses, and (with a different ending) in romance novels.

  111. @Lot
    @Achilles

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer "wrong." Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Cagey Beast, @AM, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Cagey Beast

    Yes, very apt.

  112. @Kylie
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    Or is just mentioning this “harassment?”


    The question mark belongs outside the closing quotation mark.

    Not trying to harass you. (She says, using a sentence fragment after correcting you and not knowing how to do the Blockquote thing.)

    Replies: @James Kabala

    British vs. American difference. (I agree that the British method makes more sense – hence its alternate name “logical punctuation” – but what can you do?)

  113. @James Kabala
    @Scott Locklin

    If Red Pill or alt-right types actually were ultra-masculine in demeanor, this theory might have more plausibility.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Scott Locklin

    I’m neither Jewish nor female but I did see a lot of guys in that torchlight parade who could play Haven Monaghan in the film adaptation of Fifty Shades of White. You may go ahead and insist no Jewish lady academic would be jealous of Richard Spencer’s wife* but I’d doubt you. She’s got a PhD and can work on her projects, do some hobby photography and raise their kid out on the Spencer family estate. Yeah, that’s nothing like the ending of so many of those romance novels the ladies devour like candy.

    * https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    @Cagey Beast

    Oh, I am not saying that there are not many among them who are reasonably attractive, but the idea that they are all ultra-masculine fantasy-inducers seems as unlikely as Whiskey's opposite version. And the ones who would actually send death threats are probably the least likely to have appeal.

    Also, this was the first I ever heard that Richard Spencer has a wife. How did she evade notice for so long?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

  114. @Yak-15
    "...a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity..."

    Which of those is not a marker of privilege?

    Replies: @Ragno, @Forbes, @AnotherDad

    After consulting both my abacus and my anarchist’s cookbook, I have determined that

    “…a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity…”

    represents the textbook definition of White Privilege.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Ragno

    A woman, a Jew and a relative of a rich celebrity walk into a bar...

  115. @Cagey Beast
    Does anyone out there know of another time in history when the ruling class also insisted it was the primus inter pares victim class? Has any other society been run by holy martyrs who manage to avoid actually dying, sacred human scapegoats* or anything similar? Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

    Replies: @Barnard, @gcochran, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Ragno, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    Perhaps it is something….more.

    Macro: The Emperor is coming. Now there is something that you ought to know before he arrives, so that you won’t be taken totally by surprise. We are privileged to be living at the time of the most astonishing event. The Emperor has undergone a transformation – a metamorphosis. He has become a god. [some laughter in the crowd] Now, that is unusual, to say the least. But that’s the nature of miracles – to be unusual. And if it’s the nature of some people not to believe in them… well, the more fool them. However, the Emperor doesn’t want to make too much of it. He doesn’t want any fuss or public announcements. He wants us all to behave normally. Although he is now a god, he is still the same lovable young man we’ve always known. I can attest to that. And to enable his relationships with all of us to continue exactly as they were, he has decided, for convenience, to retain his mortal form.

    Oh and by the way, his sister Drusilla’s become a goddess. Any questions?

    Lentulus: Well, of course, it is unusual…. but why, one must ask oneself, are gods made only after death? Sooner or later, a man was bound to be reborn a god in our very midst. If we worship the Divine Augustus after his death, doesn’t it make sense to worship his great-grandson while he’s still alive? I think we should count ourselves fortunate to be living at this time. Gentlemen, posterity will envy us.

    Macro: The Emperor! [trumpet fanfare]

    Caligula: My sister and I are pleased to admit you into our presence once again.

    Lentulus: Your recovery is a miracle.

    Caligula: But you prayed for it, Lentulus.

    Lentulus: Oh, night and day. But our prayers are not always heard.

    Caligula: Yes, but yours were very special, so I understand. You offered your life to the gods in the place of mine. That was extremely noble.

    Lentulus: It’s true. I did.

    Caligula: And what are you going to do about it?

    Lentulus: …..do about it? What do you mean?

    Caligula: Well, I’m still here and so are you, but we oughtn’t both to be here. Should we not give the gods the things that we promise them? You’re in danger of the crime of perjury, Lentulus. Think about it. But not too long. The gods won’t wait forever, of that I can assure you. I know them only too well….

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Ragno

    The present day does indeed shed fresh light on the mystery of Caligula.

    Evidently he was just a huge troll.

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Ragno

    Caitlyn Jenner is the Caligula of the Pepsi Generation.

    Kardashianism is the final stage of consumer capitalism before the West goes wobbly one last time.

    This is where we are on the timeline gentlemen.

  116. @Cagey Beast
    Does anyone out there know of another time in history when the ruling class also insisted it was the primus inter pares victim class? Has any other society been run by holy martyrs who manage to avoid actually dying, sacred human scapegoats* or anything similar? Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

    Replies: @Barnard, @gcochran, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Ragno, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    A beefy Swedish guy is giving this victim thing a try now too:

    Swedish Left Party politician ‘raped for his beliefs’ at knifepoint
    https://www.rt.com/news/403518-swedish-left-politician-raped-beliefs/

    Swedish politician Patrik Liljeglod ‘raped for his beliefs’
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41277540

    Fortunately Julian Assange has an alibi.

    Would I be blaming the victim if I pointed out that white capri pants and sandals on a man would drive any right-wing rapist over the edge? We all know Haven Monaghanson is a slave to his passions.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Cagey Beast

    My bet is on a deal with Muslim "rough trade" gone wrong. And more than one man, if the story is real.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Cagey Beast

    I wonder, what are the chances that he's making it up, or that, if he was raped, it was by a foreigner?

  117. @Cagey Beast
    Does anyone out there know of another time in history when the ruling class also insisted it was the primus inter pares victim class? Has any other society been run by holy martyrs who manage to avoid actually dying, sacred human scapegoats* or anything similar? Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

    Replies: @Barnard, @gcochran, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Ragno, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    Hillary Clinton, grande dame of the new martyr-ocracy, the victim-ocracy:

    Game of Thrones: Hilary Clinton compares herself to Cersei in new memoir What Happened
    ‘They shouted, ‘Guilty! Guilty!’ like the religious zealots in Game of Thrones’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/hilary-clinton-game-of-thrones-cersei-what-happened-memoir-donald-trump-a7944296.html

    Donna Zuckerberg needs to up her game if she wants to play in the big leagues.

  118. @unpc downunder
    A lot of right-wingers respond to this BS by describing it as "cultural Marxism," but this doesn't seem to be a label which is having much political impact. Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism, rather than a self-indulgent, self-contradictory ideology that is totally unhinged from logic. A better label might be post-rational leftism.

    Whatever the label, it's vital to ram home the point that this really is an ideology divorced from reason. As Jordan Peterson points out, the modern left prefers to operate in post-modern feels mode, but has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right. If it stays in feels mode, then it can't argue that a left wing narrative is any better than a right wing narrative. The right needs to make it harder for the left to have it both ways, even if that means crediting the old left with a certain amount of intellectual value.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @The Last Real Calvinist

    has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right

    You’d think.

    But they’ve found that focusing 110% of everyone’s attention in all matters on the shortcomings, real and imagined, of the right is far more effective.

    See: “Republicans pounce”

    • Agree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @Desiderius

    You're right that demonising the right is very effective in the political sphere, and the left has been very good at it. However, I'm talking about situations when a modern leftist is directly challenged by a moderate or right-winger in an interview or panel discussion situation. If a right-winger claims, for example, that there is no discrimination against women or minorities in today's society, the left winger will resort to some statistical evidence such as the gender pay gap or blacks making a lot less money than whites. However, this directly contradicts the post modern idea that there is no such thing as objective data about social issues.

    In the post modern view, personal opinion/instinct is a better indicate of what is real that statistics, and the personal opinions of women and minorities are more important than those of white males since white males have historically had more power.

  119. @Ragno
    @Cagey Beast


    Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?
     
    Perhaps it is something....more.

    Macro: The Emperor is coming. Now there is something that you ought to know before he arrives, so that you won't be taken totally by surprise. We are privileged to be living at the time of the most astonishing event. The Emperor has undergone a transformation - a metamorphosis. He has become a god. [some laughter in the crowd] Now, that is unusual, to say the least. But that's the nature of miracles - to be unusual. And if it's the nature of some people not to believe in them... well, the more fool them. However, the Emperor doesn't want to make too much of it. He doesn't want any fuss or public announcements. He wants us all to behave normally. Although he is now a god, he is still the same lovable young man we've always known. I can attest to that. And to enable his relationships with all of us to continue exactly as they were, he has decided, for convenience, to retain his mortal form.

    Oh and by the way, his sister Drusilla's become a goddess. Any questions?

    Lentulus: Well, of course, it is unusual.... but why, one must ask oneself, are gods made only after death? Sooner or later, a man was bound to be reborn a god in our very midst. If we worship the Divine Augustus after his death, doesn't it make sense to worship his great-grandson while he's still alive? I think we should count ourselves fortunate to be living at this time. Gentlemen, posterity will envy us.

    Macro: The Emperor! [trumpet fanfare]

    Caligula: My sister and I are pleased to admit you into our presence once again.

    Lentulus: Your recovery is a miracle.

    Caligula: But you prayed for it, Lentulus.

    Lentulus: Oh, night and day. But our prayers are not always heard.

    Caligula: Yes, but yours were very special, so I understand. You offered your life to the gods in the place of mine. That was extremely noble.

    Lentulus: It's true. I did.

    Caligula: And what are you going to do about it?

    Lentulus: .....do about it? What do you mean?

    Caligula: Well, I'm still here and so are you, but we oughtn't both to be here. Should we not give the gods the things that we promise them? You're in danger of the crime of perjury, Lentulus. Think about it. But not too long. The gods won't wait forever, of that I can assure you. I know them only too well....
     

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Cagey Beast

    The present day does indeed shed fresh light on the mystery of Caligula.

    Evidently he was just a huge troll.

  120. @LemmusLemmus
    "I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because 1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself. As a field, we can’t really do much to stop external harassment from happening – but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas and keep them from poisoning our collegial relationships, and we can reflect on how intersections of privilege and oppression play into our misconceptions."

    To read between the lines, especitally those between points 2 and 3, it seems that she approached scholars she didn't know and they were nonplussed because they, in contrast to her, did not consider her part of the "field". Which would be unsurprising given that she does not have an academic job, I could not quickly find any academic publications of hers on Google scholar and her internet page seems to publish mostly lifestyle articles and political commentary rather than anything resembling scholarship.

    Replies: @Broski, @guest, @Rod1963, @Paco Wové

    “I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because…”

    Because they don’t consider you, someone without a position in the academy, to be a “colleague”. I remember people in her position being referred to as stillborn Ph.D.‘s. The degree is nice and all that, but if you don’t have the credibility of institutional affiliation, you’re definitely on a lower rank.

  121. @Cagey Beast
    @gcochran

    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us. Our recent forefathers were liberal and gracious enough to allow them into our institutions and they use them as a platform from which to hunt us. How many generations separate Dr Zuckerberg from the cossacks yet she still sees it as her prime directive to drive us out and bring us down?

    Why do Lady Zuckerberg and the Alt-Right find each other so interesting? Because they both know the other helps prove their case. Zuckerella knows she will not secure the final victory until all White men submit to her version of their civilization. In turn, the Alt-Right knows her writings help show we can never share a country or society with Jews. Give them everything one could possibly imagine and they still want to extirpate you.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us.

    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They’re midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Desiderius


    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They’re midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.
     
    Yep. Even assuming disproportionate representation of Jews in the midwit WASP class, we need to deal with the 75% still running things (or not really running things). It's the Clintons of the world.
    , @Cagey Beast
    @Desiderius

    When did I ever say they're all Jews? Ironically, one of the prime reasons Jews should be kept from the centres of power is just this tendency of theirs to think everything's always about them.

    Everything must always be about them, they must always be kept in mind when any decisions are made, their concerns must be paramount but no one is to mention them or even mention things that might be referring to them indirectly or in some kind of code. Give us all a break.

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Desiderius

    I'll just add that I'm an Irish-Canadian Tory so American WASPs have been defining themselves in opposition to my kind of people since at least Plymouth Rock. They're the children of the Roundheads, we're children of the Cavaliers.

    The American republic defines itself in opposition to the Old World. That's one reason Bill Buckley's American conservatism was always such a fraud and why Max Boot wasn't entirely mistaken to have thought America could be his new Soviet Union. Trotsky himself said as much back in 1934. Boot & Co. hope Oliver Cromwell's kids and Trotsky's kids continue to team up to bring "shock and awe" to the rest of us. From the burning of Atlanta to the bombing of Belgrade and Baghdad, the righteous smiting rolls on.

    In other words, I'm up to speed on the WASPs.

    , @Forbes
    @Desiderius

    Jeez, enough with piling on WASPs. Care to name names? Just so we're clear who's getting a target painted on their back. Or do we merit triple brackets to surround our name in order to identify the enemy.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  122. @Jake
    She is no different than blacks in that the more she gets, the more she demands, because the more she gets the more she realizes how much of the total she does not control.

    Spoiled Brat Syndrome.

    Writ large, the Spoiled Brat Syndrome is part of every Revolutionary impulse. Take out of the late 19th/early 20th century Russian revolutionary movement all the children of wealth and privilege, at least privilege in education - including large numbers of children of extremely rich Jews and large numbers of children of Orthodox priests and college professors - and that movement would have lost perhaps 3/4ths of its leadership and 3/5ths of its membership. It would have been a nothing movement with the spoiled brat children of the rich and well educated.

    MS Zuckerberg has in her the heart and mind, the will to power, of a potential Trotskyess. And she could oversee the deaths of a couple million and the destruction of the lives of tens of millions, and see herself as the innocent victim doing nothing but good.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It would have been a nothing movement with the spoiled brat children of the rich and well educated.

    Likewise antifa, the Weathermen, et. al.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Desiderius

    A shortcoming of Days of Rage by Bryan Burrough was the lack of curiosity about sources of income for the Weather Underground/Weathermen. Some of the other radical groups (Black Liberation Army) engaged in drug dealing or other criminal activities to support their living expenses.

    In places he alludes to a (west coast?) lawyer who passes money to the Weathermen, but little beyond that.

    As an aside, during Occupy New York, while I was speaking to a college student in Zuccotti Park one weekday during that protest, he informed me he'd just flown back from Occupy London--where he'd gone for the weekend protests. No better evidence of the spoiled brat children of the rich and educated to be found.

  123. @Ragno
    @Cagey Beast


    Maybe this is some sort of secular theocracy we have now?
     
    Perhaps it is something....more.

    Macro: The Emperor is coming. Now there is something that you ought to know before he arrives, so that you won't be taken totally by surprise. We are privileged to be living at the time of the most astonishing event. The Emperor has undergone a transformation - a metamorphosis. He has become a god. [some laughter in the crowd] Now, that is unusual, to say the least. But that's the nature of miracles - to be unusual. And if it's the nature of some people not to believe in them... well, the more fool them. However, the Emperor doesn't want to make too much of it. He doesn't want any fuss or public announcements. He wants us all to behave normally. Although he is now a god, he is still the same lovable young man we've always known. I can attest to that. And to enable his relationships with all of us to continue exactly as they were, he has decided, for convenience, to retain his mortal form.

    Oh and by the way, his sister Drusilla's become a goddess. Any questions?

    Lentulus: Well, of course, it is unusual.... but why, one must ask oneself, are gods made only after death? Sooner or later, a man was bound to be reborn a god in our very midst. If we worship the Divine Augustus after his death, doesn't it make sense to worship his great-grandson while he's still alive? I think we should count ourselves fortunate to be living at this time. Gentlemen, posterity will envy us.

    Macro: The Emperor! [trumpet fanfare]

    Caligula: My sister and I are pleased to admit you into our presence once again.

    Lentulus: Your recovery is a miracle.

    Caligula: But you prayed for it, Lentulus.

    Lentulus: Oh, night and day. But our prayers are not always heard.

    Caligula: Yes, but yours were very special, so I understand. You offered your life to the gods in the place of mine. That was extremely noble.

    Lentulus: It's true. I did.

    Caligula: And what are you going to do about it?

    Lentulus: .....do about it? What do you mean?

    Caligula: Well, I'm still here and so are you, but we oughtn't both to be here. Should we not give the gods the things that we promise them? You're in danger of the crime of perjury, Lentulus. Think about it. But not too long. The gods won't wait forever, of that I can assure you. I know them only too well....
     

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Cagey Beast

    Caitlyn Jenner is the Caligula of the Pepsi Generation.

    Kardashianism is the final stage of consumer capitalism before the West goes wobbly one last time.

    This is where we are on the timeline gentlemen.

  124. @Lot
    @Achilles

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer "wrong." Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Cagey Beast, @AM, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer “wrong.” Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    claps with the enthusiasm of a kindergarten teacher Yippee, comrade!

    You know, the Brits were a lot less suicidal when they were openly anti-semitic. Meanwhile, all y’all need to do is convert and nobody thinks Jews are weird and self-serving anymore.

    It’s really not our fault or the Brits that the Germans went on a bender (nor is it the stain of the living Germans). I’d like to see Europe live and return to it’s fully human status again. Jewish neurosis, even with some evidence, on any level are not really everyone else’s problem.

    This isn’t a good development in a culture that traditionally just speaks it’s mind when it comes to other cultures. It’s suggests that it’s about 5 minutes from reaching for the gun to commit suicide. Or more likely just allows itself to be colonized by Islam and hope the rest of their lives don’t suck too much under their new Islamic overlords.

  125. @Desiderius
    @Cagey Beast


    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us.
     
    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They're midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    Replies: @AM, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast, @Forbes

    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They’re midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    Yep. Even assuming disproportionate representation of Jews in the midwit WASP class, we need to deal with the 75% still running things (or not really running things). It’s the Clintons of the world.

  126. @Desiderius
    @Cagey Beast


    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us.
     
    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They're midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    Replies: @AM, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast, @Forbes

    When did I ever say they’re all Jews? Ironically, one of the prime reasons Jews should be kept from the centres of power is just this tendency of theirs to think everything’s always about them.

    Everything must always be about them, they must always be kept in mind when any decisions are made, their concerns must be paramount but no one is to mention them or even mention things that might be referring to them indirectly or in some kind of code. Give us all a break.

  127. @Desiderius
    @Cagey Beast


    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us.
     
    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They're midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    Replies: @AM, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast, @Forbes

    I’ll just add that I’m an Irish-Canadian Tory so American WASPs have been defining themselves in opposition to my kind of people since at least Plymouth Rock. They’re the children of the Roundheads, we’re children of the Cavaliers.

    The American republic defines itself in opposition to the Old World. That’s one reason Bill Buckley’s American conservatism was always such a fraud and why Max Boot wasn’t entirely mistaken to have thought America could be his new Soviet Union. Trotsky himself said as much back in 1934. Boot & Co. hope Oliver Cromwell’s kids and Trotsky’s kids continue to team up to bring “shock and awe” to the rest of us. From the burning of Atlanta to the bombing of Belgrade and Baghdad, the righteous smiting rolls on.

    In other words, I’m up to speed on the WASPs.

  128. Silicon Valley-based Classics scholar.

    No point reading past that.

    Al Gore’s translation of the phrase as “Out of one, many.”

    How do you remember this stuff!?!?

  129. @Alec Leamas
    @Anon

    Donna is the Tito of The Zuckerberg 4

    Replies: @Neuday

    Donna is the Tito of The Zuckerberg 4

    What a sad Yugoslavia to be held together by self-pity, moral preening and blood libel, but here we are.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Neuday

    He meant Tito Jackson, the real genius in the Jackson Five who never got any respect or recognition.

  130. @Verymuchalive
    @cwhatfuture

    Francis Fukuyama has a degree in Classics, but he is Japanese-American. Indeed, from my personal experience, the only Asians that had any interest in Classics, Classical Archaeology or Ancient History were Japanese or part-Japanese.
    Maybe this ties into Mr Steve's observation ( can't remember which post ) that the exogamy rate of Japanese-Americans is now so high that there will soon be none of them left.
    Living in a small country in N.W. Europe ( Scotland ) , I don't see a huge number of them, but those I have known have excellent English language skills and a genuine interest in Scotland and its history. They contrast very favourably with Chinese emigrants.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @StillCARealist

    I agree. There are very few Japanese in the West compared to recent immigrant waves. That alone makes a huge difference. The West has always been able to very successfully integrate small numbers of non-Western groups, especially an intelligent one. (Donna Zuckerberg is an example of this herself. 150 years ago, her Jewish ancestors in Middle or Eastern Europe would have had no connection to Western Classics). Moreover, Japanese tend to intermarry and lack the hostility you find in more recent groups, the actor that played Mr. Sulu notwithstanding. The Chinese have their own classics, of which they can be justifiably proud.

  131. @Verymuchalive
    @cwhatfuture

    Francis Fukuyama has a degree in Classics, but he is Japanese-American. Indeed, from my personal experience, the only Asians that had any interest in Classics, Classical Archaeology or Ancient History were Japanese or part-Japanese.
    Maybe this ties into Mr Steve's observation ( can't remember which post ) that the exogamy rate of Japanese-Americans is now so high that there will soon be none of them left.
    Living in a small country in N.W. Europe ( Scotland ) , I don't see a huge number of them, but those I have known have excellent English language skills and a genuine interest in Scotland and its history. They contrast very favourably with Chinese emigrants.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @StillCARealist

    Scotland is a country? I thought it was part of the UK or Great Britain. Can there be countries within countries?

  132. Donna Zuckerberg, sister of billionaire media mogul Mark Zuckerberg, is a Jew. Richard B Spencer, the leader of the Alt-Right, is some type of WASP(Spencer most likely has Norman ancestry too; this can’t be said of all WASPs).

    Donna Zuckerberg can make no claim to speak for White Core Americans, or have the best interests of White Core Americans at heart. Richard B Spencer speaks for tens of millions of White Core Americans on trade, immigration, foreign policy and, most importantly, questions of national identity.

    Richard B Spencer can make the claim that his political views were the views of the WASP ruling class before the 1960s. Donna Zuckerberg has no ancestral nor historical claim to speak for anybody but the Jew portion of the rancid WASP / Jew ruling class that sits uneasy at the top of the American Empire.

    Richard B Spencer can speak for the past, present and future of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Spencer, if given enough time to explain, could also make the explicit case that the United States is a British Protestant settler nation. Sam Huntington made such a case and it seems to me to be irrefutable.

    Donna Zuckerberg is all bluster and Jewish rhetorical three card monte. Mark Zuckerberg will most likely be financially wiped out when the next global financial implosion hits — he wont be pauperized, but he won’t have the financial power to fund anti-White political scams such as mass immigration.

    The Alt-Right is gaining in strength and power and the Zuckerberg family is enjoying its brief moment of power in the American Empire.

  133. Donna Zuckerberg wants to go to a keg party with these Alt-Right guys. If I lost a few pounds and did my best James Mason voice, Donna Zuckerberg might get me a beer at the keg party. Donna Zuckerberg has the hots for the Alt-Right.

    White Core Americans won’t identify as White Supremacists, but White Core Americans will say that the United States must protect the European heritage of the United States. White Core Americans also will say that White people are under attack in the United States.

    Donna Zuckerberg loves these Alt-Right Americans, give her a few beers, and she’ll admit it:

    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/908903757693337600

  134. @Cagey Beast
    @James Kabala

    I'm neither Jewish nor female but I did see a lot of guys in that torchlight parade who could play Haven Monaghan in the film adaptation of Fifty Shades of White. You may go ahead and insist no Jewish lady academic would be jealous of Richard Spencer's wife* but I'd doubt you. She's got a PhD and can work on her projects, do some hobby photography and raise their kid out on the Spencer family estate. Yeah, that's nothing like the ending of so many of those romance novels the ladies devour like candy.

    * https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina

    Replies: @James Kabala

    Oh, I am not saying that there are not many among them who are reasonably attractive, but the idea that they are all ultra-masculine fantasy-inducers seems as unlikely as Whiskey’s opposite version. And the ones who would actually send death threats are probably the least likely to have appeal.

    Also, this was the first I ever heard that Richard Spencer has a wife. How did she evade notice for so long?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @James Kabala

    He doesn't discuss her or his kid because he doesn't want them killed by the tolerant. The anti-Russians have mentioned her repeatedly -- because her family immigrated to Canada from there -- so I'm not spilling any beans by mentioning her here. I follow her on Twitter and kind of prefer her over him. I think he's doing good work overall though.

    , @Cagey Beast
    @James Kabala


    Unholy Union
    Meet the Moscow Mouthpiece Married to a Racist Alt-Right Boss
    She spreads the words of Russia’s most virulent propagandist. He’s a leading racist hate-monger. Nina Kouprianova and Richard Spencer are a very different kind of power couple.
    Casey Michel
    12.20.16 1:05 AM ET
     
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-moscow-mouthpiece-married-to-a-racist-alt-right-boss

    There's also a photo of her and Spencer meeting Laura Bush. Nina has a black & orange St. George's ribbon on her purse in the picture. I guess it was taken around Russian Victory Day. LOLs.

    https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/899146431784603648

    Replies: @Anonymous

  135. ………throughout the discipline about what the harassment of classical scholars means and what our ethical responsibility is toward our colleagues who experience that harassment.

    First they came for the classical scholars. And I didn’t do anything, because I am not a classical scholar.

    And neither is Donna Zuckerberg.

  136. Well, there are bad and/or crazy people out there, so let’s not make it easy for them by revealing precise addresses. And let’s prosecute those who make public threats of violence.

    Agreed. And let’s also prosecute those who make public (or private) threats of extortion, like the real-estate agent who tried to drive Richard Spencer’s mother out of her property.

  137. @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    A beefy Swedish guy is giving this victim thing a try now too:

    Swedish Left Party politician ‘raped for his beliefs’ at knifepoint
    https://www.rt.com/news/403518-swedish-left-politician-raped-beliefs/

    Swedish politician Patrik Liljeglod 'raped for his beliefs'
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41277540

    Fortunately Julian Assange has an alibi.

    Would I be blaming the victim if I pointed out that white capri pants and sandals on a man would drive any right-wing rapist over the edge? We all know Haven Monaghanson is a slave to his passions.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon

    My bet is on a deal with Muslim “rough trade” gone wrong. And more than one man, if the story is real.

  138. The SCS is our collegium, and that means that we must support each member in the collective equally: e pluribus, unum.

    Gosh, where does that saying “e pluribus, unum” come from? Isn’t the very concept – a very roman concept, by the way – embodied by an old roman symbol?

    Fasces

    I’m not sure what Ms. Zuckerbergs’ problem is with the alt-right. Not all of the alt-right is fascist, but some of it certainly is, and I guess some of them look to ancient Rome as a model for the kind of fascist society they want. It’s a little rich for somebody pretending to be a classical scholar to write fascism out of the history of Rome, or Rome out of the history of fascism.

  139. @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    A beefy Swedish guy is giving this victim thing a try now too:

    Swedish Left Party politician ‘raped for his beliefs’ at knifepoint
    https://www.rt.com/news/403518-swedish-left-politician-raped-beliefs/

    Swedish politician Patrik Liljeglod 'raped for his beliefs'
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41277540

    Fortunately Julian Assange has an alibi.

    Would I be blaming the victim if I pointed out that white capri pants and sandals on a man would drive any right-wing rapist over the edge? We all know Haven Monaghanson is a slave to his passions.

    Replies: @BB753, @Mr. Anon

    I wonder, what are the chances that he’s making it up, or that, if he was raped, it was by a foreigner?

  140. @Anonymous
    A camgirl has a virtual tip jar (probably).

    A Google discrimination/harassment claimant has https://cash.me/$justkelly in her Twitter bio so you can send her money for, um... the emotional labor of being the noisiest possible victim? (Because a million bucks from Google wouldn't be half as ego-stroking as a buck out of a million white knights.)

    Academic Zuckerberg, true to form, solicits hifalutin-sounding microaffirmations.

    Anyway, a more interesting question is what to do about the cannonballs fired from the safety of the ivory tower: http://nypost.com/2017/09/15/police-union-wants-professor-fired-over-anti-cop-tweets/

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That guy was also on Carlsons’ show last week, defending the right of antifa to beat people up during public protests. Most lately, he was suspended from his job at John Jay, pending a review. Even the Mayor condemned his statements – maybe de Blasio has started to get worried about the loyalty of his police bodyguards.

    Have you seen pictures of that guy, Mike Isaacson? He is – literally – a pin-head. If he shaved his head, he’d look like a dildo wearing a T-shirt. Which, come to think of it, he pretty much is anyway.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Mr. Anon

    Your wit is delightful.

  141. @Simon in London
    @Rod1963

    I hadn't realised she doesn't actually have an academic position. She has a PhD and publishes a 'woke' magazine but does not actually do any academic stuff. I think she should get a job, maybe teach Classics at a Community College.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jake, @Mr. Anon

    I hadn’t realised she doesn’t actually have an academic position. She has a PhD and publishes a ‘woke’ magazine but does not actually do any academic stuff. I think she should get a job, maybe teach Classics at a Community College.

    Actually, it would be better if she didn’t.

    Someday, perhaps, her brother will buy her an endowed chair at a prestigious university.

  142. @Lot
    @Achilles

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer "wrong." Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Cagey Beast, @AM, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer “wrong.”

    Gosh, do they get a reward for good behavior?

    Getting to keep thier country, perhaps?

    Or, at least, maybe a dog-biscuit?

    As J.I.E. pointed out, given that publicly giving a “wrong” answer (as YOU style it) could land them in trouble with the coppers, maybe the result is not so surprising.

  143. @Cagey Beast
    @Lot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAGaYi2Kem8

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Yes, very apt.

  144. “Unfettered academia is a danger to society…

    …Academia must be regulated or it infects society with childish idealism.”

    The young are prone to give words the validity of things.

  145. @guest
    @EL Dato

    "Why does that even exist?"

    To sell sex paraphernalia to teen girls. Maybe face cream and junk, too.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Their junk supply comes with a handy applicator and free face cream refills.

    • LOL: Forbes
  146. @Pericles
    Is this about Donna Zuckerberg picking a fight, getting her worthless ass whipped, and now coming back for more? "You wouldn't want to mess with me, goyim, I'll have you know my brother is quite well known."

    https://qcurtius.com/2016/12/18/a-response-to-a-detractor/

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Is this about Donna Zuckerberg picking a fight, getting her worthless ass whipped, and now coming back for more?”

    Not at all. It’s about Donna Zuckerberg condescendingly smearing her enemies and then feeling outraged and victimized because they have the temerity to respond. She expects that faced with her empowered womanhood, her solid scholarship and her proximity to a major celeb, her pronouncements will be received with due deference and respect.

    Apply sneer quotes as appropriate.

    • Replies: @res
    @Kylie


    Apply sneer quotes as appropriate.
     
    I tried, but I broke the quote key on my keyboard. Oops.
  147. A specter is haunting the Internet — the specter of the “alt-right.”

    Paraphrasing Karl Marx, as she is, is Donna Zuckerberg aware of the facts that:

    1.) The specter that Marx was referring to was communism.

    2.) He wanted that specter to triumph.

    3.) It did, at least it appeared to, for a while.

  148. IDr. Zuckerberg pines for the days of No Back Talk, when anointed in Media and Academia could make pronouncements to us unwashed peasants, when we’d suck it up and shut up. If the last election taught us anything, it’s that half the country thinks that one-time precious class which defined reality, appointed winners and losers, and enjoyed exclusive provision of corrosive ridicule is worthless. So she conflates her critics with aimless trolls threatening and abusive; of course now we know that’s a con job too.

    She should know that everyone she would blunt and muffle see her as a spoiled princess whining in the pool house. She needs a coach to help make her foot stamping less obvious, less pleading. At least her enemies wouldn’t mock her so easily.

    And she should grasp that the Internet Age is the age of back talk – and nothing will turn that around. Our know-it-alls know nothing but stagnant, failed propaganda now generations old. It’s being assailed simply because it so obviously begs for its own destruction.

  149. @James Kabala
    @Scott Locklin

    If Red Pill or alt-right types actually were ultra-masculine in demeanor, this theory might have more plausibility.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Scott Locklin

    I don’t think that would be necessary to scratch Ms. Zuck’s neurono-libidinal itch. Ultra-masculine people don’t read Seutonius. Naughty and intelligent boys who do, and who are in desperate need of moral reforming: it’s sort of like when the women’s studies major chases after … Haven Monahan type frat boys. Happens all the time on collitch campuses, and (with a different ending) in romance novels.

  150. @Sane Left Libertarian
    @EL Dato


    Why does that even exist?

     

    Because people buy it. That's the only measure of worth or even viability. I sometimes wonder if Euclid or Euler or Hilbert would have ever been heard of if Survivior and Big Brother and DWTS had been on TV when they were doing their things.

    Replies: @guest, @NOTA

    There have always been lots of entertainment choices for dumb people, because there have always been a lot of dumb people. Very few in any culture were ever going to appreciate Euclid or Gauss.

  151. @James Kabala
    @Cagey Beast

    Oh, I am not saying that there are not many among them who are reasonably attractive, but the idea that they are all ultra-masculine fantasy-inducers seems as unlikely as Whiskey's opposite version. And the ones who would actually send death threats are probably the least likely to have appeal.

    Also, this was the first I ever heard that Richard Spencer has a wife. How did she evade notice for so long?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    He doesn’t discuss her or his kid because he doesn’t want them killed by the tolerant. The anti-Russians have mentioned her repeatedly — because her family immigrated to Canada from there — so I’m not spilling any beans by mentioning her here. I follow her on Twitter and kind of prefer her over him. I think he’s doing good work overall though.

  152. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buffalo Joe

    Disagree. I like to see what’s under the rocks Steve overturns.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jenner, Ok, lift the rock, take a peek and then drop the rock back on them. Works for me.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O50cySmUtWY

  153. @Yak-15
    "...a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity..."

    Which of those is not a marker of privilege?

    Replies: @Ragno, @Forbes, @AnotherDad

    Claiming victim status as a close relative of a wealthy celebrity? ROTFLMFHO

  154. @Cagey Beast
    OT:

    I strongly recommend people have a look at one or several of Hillary's extended interviews she did this week as part of her book launch. She's clearly doing her best to force a crisis to oust Trump. She repeatedly uses the phrase "a clear and present danger to our democracy" to describe Trump and the Alt-Right. In the New Yorker podcast interview, the host says "' 'clear and present danger' is a very specific, constitutionally rooted phrase", to which Hillary murmurs an "mmmh" of agreement. She's becoming America's Catherine de Medici.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Becoming?

  155. @James Kabala
    @Cagey Beast

    Oh, I am not saying that there are not many among them who are reasonably attractive, but the idea that they are all ultra-masculine fantasy-inducers seems as unlikely as Whiskey's opposite version. And the ones who would actually send death threats are probably the least likely to have appeal.

    Also, this was the first I ever heard that Richard Spencer has a wife. How did she evade notice for so long?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast

    Unholy Union
    Meet the Moscow Mouthpiece Married to a Racist Alt-Right Boss
    She spreads the words of Russia’s most virulent propagandist. He’s a leading racist hate-monger. Nina Kouprianova and Richard Spencer are a very different kind of power couple.
    Casey Michel
    12.20.16 1:05 AM ET

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-moscow-mouthpiece-married-to-a-racist-alt-right-boss

    There’s also a photo of her and Spencer meeting Laura Bush. Nina has a black & orange St. George’s ribbon on her purse in the picture. I guess it was taken around Russian Victory Day. LOLs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    Interesting link in its own right, but that led me to:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/from-lucifers-hammer-to-newts-moon-base-to-donalds-wallthe-sci-fi-roots-of-the-far-right

    As for @NinaByzantina, I liked: "This account is personally protected by Putin and Kadyrov."

  156. @eah
    A specter is haunting the Internet — the specter of the “alt-right.”

    I think this woman secretly authors NYT editorials -- the phrase 'turgid prose' is now haunting my mind -- waiting for an honorary tweet about her on Fellow White Person.

    Replies: @eah, @Forbes

    Fellow White Person resembles Art Garfunkel.

  157. wut?

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    wut?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ3FXpCUIAA4cML.jpg

  158. @Lot
    @Achilles

    The British people, I am pleased to report, have an overwhelmingly positive view of Jews and Israel.

    70% got a perfect score and gave the pro Jew answer to every single question, and of the rest, half of the remaining only got one answer "wrong." Only 0.1% were anti Jew or Israel on every question.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Cagey Beast, @AM, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

    Polling/surveys have turned into a PC vanity-signaling game in opinion conformity. The uselessness of polls is repeated regularly.

  159. @Rod1963
    @LemmusLemmus

    IOW she's a academic non entity trying to gain access to academia by virtue of her brother's wealth.

    She must be sheer hell to be around.

    Replies: @Simon in London, @Forbes

    And she’s not even easy on the eyes…

  160. If poor Donna keeps writing myths about her persecution, pretty soon we’ll be reading about blood coming out of the ground.

    She is on the receiving end of anger because she is writing hate — hate clothed in deception, masquerading as classical scholarship.

  161. @Ragno
    @Yak-15

    After consulting both my abacus and my anarchist's cookbook, I have determined that

    “…a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity…”

    represents the textbook definition of White Privilege.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    A woman, a Jew and a relative of a rich celebrity walk into a bar…

  162. Donna Zuckerberg looks like she eats a lot of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream:

  163. @Desiderius
    @Jake


    It would have been a nothing movement with the spoiled brat children of the rich and well educated.
     
    Likewise antifa, the Weathermen, et. al.

    Replies: @Forbes

    A shortcoming of Days of Rage by Bryan Burrough was the lack of curiosity about sources of income for the Weather Underground/Weathermen. Some of the other radical groups (Black Liberation Army) engaged in drug dealing or other criminal activities to support their living expenses.

    In places he alludes to a (west coast?) lawyer who passes money to the Weathermen, but little beyond that.

    As an aside, during Occupy New York, while I was speaking to a college student in Zuccotti Park one weekday during that protest, he informed me he’d just flown back from Occupy London–where he’d gone for the weekend protests. No better evidence of the spoiled brat children of the rich and educated to be found.

  164. @Desiderius
    @Cagey Beast


    No, we most definitely could not make honest men and women out of these privileged people who define themselves in opposition to us.
     
    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They're midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    Replies: @AM, @Cagey Beast, @Cagey Beast, @Forbes

    Jeez, enough with piling on WASPs. Care to name names? Just so we’re clear who’s getting a target painted on their back. Or do we merit triple brackets to surround our name in order to identify the enemy.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Forbes


    Care to name names?
     
    Well, Desiderius for starters. Formerly at least.

    Also not Jewish, CageyBeast:

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/erasmus-the-manual-of-a-christian-knight


    Just so we’re clear who’s getting a target painted on their back.
     
    "The people who define themselves in opposition to us (Sailer readers and commenters)". The respectable people.

    90% of my current peers fall mildly to severely in this category. Some of us are seeing more or less of the light.

  165. @Kylie
    @Pericles

    "Is this about Donna Zuckerberg picking a fight, getting her worthless ass whipped, and now coming back for more?"

    Not at all. It's about Donna Zuckerberg condescendingly smearing her enemies and then feeling outraged and victimized because they have the temerity to respond. She expects that faced with her empowered womanhood, her solid scholarship and her proximity to a major celeb, her pronouncements will be received with due deference and respect.

    Apply sneer quotes as appropriate.

    Replies: @res

    Apply sneer quotes as appropriate.

    I tried, but I broke the quote key on my keyboard. Oops.

    • LOL: Kylie
  166. Mark Zuckerberg’s sister loves to dine

    Donna Zuckerberg loves to dine

    Donna loves the Alt-Right with all her heart

    Donna’s yenta routine is laughable

    Unphotographable

    The Dying Toxic Whitey Gaul is her favorite work of art

    Is Donna’s figure less than Greek?

    Is Donna’s big fat mouth a little weak?

    When Donna opens it to speak, she’s not very smart

    Donna tells Richard Spencer: Don’t change your hair for me, not if you care for me

    Donna tells the Alt-Right: Stay…Stay…Stay…Stay…Stay

    Why would Donna Zuckerberg and Hillary Clinton have the hots for the Alt-Right?

    Van Morrison: Moondance/My Funny Valentine medley:

  167. @candid_observer
    Sometimes I think that the whole identity politics victim/microaggressions gimmick is just a grand exercise in Munchausen syndrome.

    Because, except for white males, everybody wants have some of that.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @ben tillman

    Excuse me. I have a question. Is there some reason why I should care about Zuckerberg?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Pat Boyle

    Personally, I find the Donna Zuckerberg posts to very likely constitute my favorite category in four years of reading here.

    That said, I think that the chances of Mark Z being the Democratic nominee, and of him becoming President, and of this being world-historically bad, are all greater than many people allow.

    For one thing, Mark is, so far as I can tell, the only plausible Democratic candidate who can win back people who voted for Trump. He won't be winning back many iSteve readers, and he won't be winning back people who post pictures of babes in tight shorts and MAGA hats at /r/TheDonald, but he can plausibly win votes from many people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils. They don't need to like Mark Z, or think he will be a good President. They can vote for him as the lesser of two evils. And if he can plausibly win the general election, which he can, that means he is a plausible nominee, no matter what people think.

  168. @Anon
    I notice the she-Zuck seems to have started on her public career of making an idiot of herself on the internet about the same time her brother decided to run for president. In fact, all of her 3 siblings are more ambitious and successful than Donna is. It looks a lot like her brother's run has finally caused the untalented and unnoticed child in the family to blow up with sibling rivalry and go splat all over the internet.

    Stuff like the link below is absolutely ridiculous, and may very well help sink her brother's presidential campaign. Maybe that's what she's really up to. Maybe golden boy brother Mark is her secret most-hated white male. Being the only male out of three children in an ambitious Jewish family with high expectations probably led to a lot of favoritism and attention being given towards Mark, and it left Donna seething with jealousy. Out of all the SJW tropes, she obsesses over white male privilege more than anything else.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5e45147f34109bf0f049249f265e04d61748f957b5afae32d7e651f3ba6d419.png

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    Projecting the inevitable within-family resentments outward to being the fault of the greater society …

    It’s really good strategy for maintaining cohesion within an ethnic group as long as you don’t have a society in general to care about.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    So a sort of moral pollution.

    Interesting concept.

    Replies: @AM

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    Projecting
     
    While we're hat-tipping Freud, is it what Freudians call "displacement"? With it doubly verboten for those in close-knit minorities to engage in intragroup conflict, bad feelings towards the in-group must be displaced onto the out-group.

    Maybe Freud was attuned to the psychology of a particular people.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TelfoedJohn

  169. @Anonymous
    On the subject of Rome, the best part of the remake of "Ben Hur" was the scene that shows the Roman Legion entering Jerusalem. Here it is: https://youtu.be/WvS8cvapdMk This was an awesome scene in an otherwise pretty forgettable remake. This scene is correct: as they marched, Roman soldiers would sing praises to Mars, the god of blood lust, virility and destruction. And they would do so with great joy. This was a time when men were unapologetically men. Even the dialogue between Messala Severus and his Jewish "brother", Ben Hur, gave the idea what was the path of a man back then.

    MESSALA: They are recruiting for the campaign against the northern barbarians. They need men. I have decided to join the Legion.

    BEN HUR: You will fight for those butchers?

    MESSALA: Those butchers pay well.

    BEN HUR: Think of your family name. You don't need that.

    MESSALA: "Your family name. I need money. A man is nothing without money."

    And that ended the discussion right there:"I need money because a man is nothing without money."

    I guess the World hasn't really changed that much: men still are far more driven to excel and to build stuff than women are, from rockets to empires, and to seek status. Donna should know that, by just having the brother she has.

    Of course, Mark Zuckerberg and Messala Severus are radically different kinds of men. One made his fortune the old fashioned way, with conquest, plunder and politics, while Zuckerberg is a bourgeoise and techie who became rich by creating a product that people want. But in the end, the basic drive to excel, overcome and build stuff is stereotypically male.

    I wonder how Donna feels about the fact that in ancient Rome, a civilization she worships so much, Roman men were unapologetically male and sexist, and would march to war singing praises about how great it is to offer the blood of the enemy to the god of war, and to steal their land and rape their women? How does Donna feel about that? Maybe Donna has Stockhold Syndrome about the Romans conquering her people and can't help but lust after the brashly macho Messala Severus? https://youtu.be/D5zmUSz4isE https://youtu.be/pDSu1kToK0U

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Donna might have “Stockhold Syndrome”. Is that the one in which her view of the world is affected by being supported by her brother?

  170. @candid_observer
    Sometimes I think that the whole identity politics victim/microaggressions gimmick is just a grand exercise in Munchausen syndrome.

    Because, except for white males, everybody wants have some of that.

    Replies: @Pat Boyle, @ben tillman

    Sometimes I think that the whole identity politics victim/microaggressions gimmick is just a grand exercise in Munchausen syndrome.

    How can you be so nonchalant? We’re looking at the extinction of our people.

  171. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Jenner, Ok, lift the rock, take a peek and then drop the rock back on them. Works for me.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  172. @Desiderius
    @unpc downunder


    has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right
     
    You'd think.

    But they've found that focusing 110% of everyone's attention in all matters on the shortcomings, real and imagined, of the right is far more effective.

    See: "Republicans pounce"

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    You’re right that demonising the right is very effective in the political sphere, and the left has been very good at it. However, I’m talking about situations when a modern leftist is directly challenged by a moderate or right-winger in an interview or panel discussion situation. If a right-winger claims, for example, that there is no discrimination against women or minorities in today’s society, the left winger will resort to some statistical evidence such as the gender pay gap or blacks making a lot less money than whites. However, this directly contradicts the post modern idea that there is no such thing as objective data about social issues.

    In the post modern view, personal opinion/instinct is a better indicate of what is real that statistics, and the personal opinions of women and minorities are more important than those of white males since white males have historically had more power.

  173. @TelfoedJohn
    Woke classicist reading list:
    https://sarahemilybond.com/2017/09/10/hold-my-mead-a-bibliography-for-historians-hitting-back-at-white-supremacy/amp/

    Replies: @Ivy, @guest, @dr kill

    I observe that the Classical Period for any civilization seems to be when the population is the the most coherent. And ends with a barbarian invasion . A conclusion could be that Europe’s Classical Period is over, and ours is staggering. But what do I know. I’m a STEM guy, not a Classicist.

  174. @Anonymous
    "Most harassment is framed in deeply personal terms, as an attack on an individual’s scholarship, appearance, and behavior."

    Is criticism of scholarship not only an attack, but a personal attack, and consequently harassment?

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    Is criticism of scholarship not only an attack, but a personal attack, and consequently harassment?

    Her “scholarship” cannot be criticized. She is not engaging in scholarship. It’s all ethnopolitical activism.

  175. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    Replies: @Broski, @ben tillman

    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    You destroyed your credibility with the second sentence. “Up” is not a preposition in that sentence.

    • Replies: @Broski
    @ben tillman

    "With" is the relevant preposition.

    "Put up with" sounds better than the unwieldy construction required to avoid ending the sentence with the preposition. Supposedly it's a Churchill quote: https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/11/14/churchill-on-prepositions/

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @ben tillman

    Mark Spahn writes: There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    Ben Tillman objects: You destroyed your credibility with the second sentence. “Up” is not a preposition in that sentence.

    Mark Spahn replies: Oh Ben, I think you missed my little joke. My second sentence illustrates that following the don't-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition rule sometimes leads to ridiculous wording: "that's something I won't put up with" becomes "that's something up with which I will not put". (Yes, "up" is not a preposition, but "with" is.)

    For more amusing examples, take a look at
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preposition_stranding

    Replies: @ben tillman

  176. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Regarding macroaggressions and grrl power, as Professor Zuckerberg cites Ms. Duca to make her point reminds one that she's hoping that she's blown it all "thigh-high", to use a twist on the '70's disco song from one hit wonder Jigsaw.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Regarding macroaggressions and grrl power, as Professor Zuckerberg cites Ms. Duca to make her point reminds one that she’s hoping that she’s blown it all “thigh-high”, to use a twist on the ’70′s disco song from one hit wonder Jigsaw.

    Wow — was just thinking of that song today when I heard Magic by Pilot on the radio. What a coincidence!

  177. @John Pepple

    I’ve been told by colleagues that I didn’t need formal support because ... I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support....
     
    Donna, did it ever occur to you that maybe your classics colleagues are nothing but scumbags?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Donna, did it ever occur to you that maybe your classics colleagues are nothing but scumbags?

    Or more likely the opposite.

  178. @Yak-15
    "...a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity..."

    Which of those is not a marker of privilege?

    Replies: @Ragno, @Forbes, @AnotherDad

    “…a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity…”

    One thing to remember is there is only one sex chromosome pair. Men and women are sort of in a never ending genetic battle with men pushing genes into the next generation based on male selection and women based on female selection. Sexual dimorphism does its best to bend these to present well for your sex, but it’s not perfect.

    So a quarrelsome tediousness which can be part of fitness for someone engaged in middle-man minority activity (and for Jews in Talmudic argument), is going to show up in both sexes in a middle-man minorities, though it is not an attractive trait for most interactions, and particularly not an attractive trait for a woman. (This is no doubt one of the reasons the Jewish guys are attracted the shiksas–less tedious hassle.)

    Couple this quarrelsome tediousness with female emotionality and attention seeking and … it’s a package! For Jewish guys–hey those are your girls, the product of your tribal history. Why the rest of us should have to listen to their nonsense is beyond me.

    • Agree: BB753
  179. @Broski
    @LemmusLemmus

    She thinks her brother's money can buy her entrance into the highest circles of the field. Nouveau riche at its worst. (I hope this observation doesn't trigger any readers' epigenetic country club memories.)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Eagle Eye

    Donnita’s real threat is:

    “Don’t mess with me. My brother works for some really scary Deep State dudes. They can even hush up pizzagate child sex murders for people they like.”

  180. @unpc downunder
    A lot of right-wingers respond to this BS by describing it as "cultural Marxism," but this doesn't seem to be a label which is having much political impact. Cultural Marxism, suggests a nicer, less austere version of traditional Marxism, rather than a self-indulgent, self-contradictory ideology that is totally unhinged from logic. A better label might be post-rational leftism.

    Whatever the label, it's vital to ram home the point that this really is an ideology divorced from reason. As Jordan Peterson points out, the modern left prefers to operate in post-modern feels mode, but has to fall back on enlightenment thinking when challenged by the right. If it stays in feels mode, then it can't argue that a left wing narrative is any better than a right wing narrative. The right needs to make it harder for the left to have it both ways, even if that means crediting the old left with a certain amount of intellectual value.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @The Last Real Calvinist

    ‘Post-rational leftism’ is also ‘pre-rational leftism’, in that it’s essentially religious in character. It’s never really been rational.

    Marxism and its vile progeny have grown and spread because they draw their dark energy from a deeper and more powerful metanarrative. That metanarrative is a perversion of the Christian story of creation-fall-redemption. Marxism holds no sway over ordinary people’s hearts and minds without its sin and demons (cruel, rapacious capitalists); its telos (an egalitarian utopia); and its saviors (the vanguard who lead their fellows into an essentially Gnostic awakening to awareness of their chains).

    The Marxist narrative has always been the story of humanity redeeming itself through its own wisdom and devices. It’s a parasite, a parody, of the the true Christian story. It gives ordinary sinful people the illusion that they can be saviors, that they can redeem not only their own broken lives, but those of others, too.

    Take a look at the current Daily Mail story on the latest St Louis riots: LINK

    Click the first photo to get into the DM’s photo slideshow mode, then click ahead to photo 16. It shows four protesters linked arm-in-arm. Take a look at the woman on the right. That is the face of religious ecstacy.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Rather than posting those complicated instructions you could just have mirrored the image:

    https://imgur.com/a/3ZoHA

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Last Real Calvinist, @jim jones, @BB753

  181. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    That guy was also on Carlsons' show last week, defending the right of antifa to beat people up during public protests. Most lately, he was suspended from his job at John Jay, pending a review. Even the Mayor condemned his statements - maybe de Blasio has started to get worried about the loyalty of his police bodyguards.

    Have you seen pictures of that guy, Mike Isaacson? He is - literally - a pin-head. If he shaved his head, he'd look like a dildo wearing a T-shirt. Which, come to think of it, he pretty much is anyway.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Your wit is delightful.

  182. @ben tillman
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.
     
    You destroyed your credibility with the second sentence. "Up" is not a preposition in that sentence.

    Replies: @Broski, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    “With” is the relevant preposition.

    “Put up with” sounds better than the unwieldy construction required to avoid ending the sentence with the preposition. Supposedly it’s a Churchill quote: https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/11/14/churchill-on-prepositions/

  183. @Forbes
    @Desiderius

    Jeez, enough with piling on WASPs. Care to name names? Just so we're clear who's getting a target painted on their back. Or do we merit triple brackets to surround our name in order to identify the enemy.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Care to name names?

    Well, Desiderius for starters. Formerly at least.

    Also not Jewish, CageyBeast:

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/erasmus-the-manual-of-a-christian-knight

    Just so we’re clear who’s getting a target painted on their back.

    “The people who define themselves in opposition to us (Sailer readers and commenters)”. The respectable people.

    90% of my current peers fall mildly to severely in this category. Some of us are seeing more or less of the light.

  184. @Sane Left Libertarian
    @Anon


    Spoiled princess wants to play poor little victim
     
    dot-com zillionaire is so 20th century. So far this millenium, Victim is the highest stratum in US society. We just learned that HRC is a victim of almost everything.

    Replies: @AM

    So far this millenium, Victim is the highest stratum in US society. We just learned that HRC is a victim of almost everything.

    When narcissism is everywhere, so are victims.

  185. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Projecting the inevitable within-family resentments outward to being the fault of the greater society ...

    It's really good strategy for maintaining cohesion within an ethnic group as long as you don't have a society in general to care about.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous

    So a sort of moral pollution.

    Interesting concept.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Desiderius


    So a sort of moral pollution.
     
    Looked at objectively as I can, historically, Jewish society does seem to be a disruptive rather than a cohesive presence in host societies. They aren't the ultimate source of the collapse, but they certainly don't help.
  186. @Svigor
    (Long one, Steve)

    A specter is haunting the Internet - the specter of the “alt-right.” The forces of white supremacy and toxic masculinity, fueled by a sense of entitlement dwarfed only by their inflated estimation of their own intelligence, have entered into an unholy alliance to remove feminism, political correctness, and multiculturalism from America. …
     
    The alt-light has a lofty sense of the merits of their argument. And they're right, they routinely maul SJWs, on the rare occasions SJWs leave their bubble. Alt-right shreds leftists books, mouthpieces, and arguments. There are several reasons for this:

    1 Southpaw advantage: everyone's heard the left's argument, such as it is, all their lives. They've never heard anything but a caricature of the alt-right's argument. This makes every alt-righter look very good because they look so much better than the caricature; in fact, they look better than leftists.

    2 Leftist absolutism: sort of an alt-southpaw advantage; left's zero tolerance position makes them look very bad, once the reality of the alt-right hits the audience. The alt-right are just people, with perfectly reasonable positions, so the left come out of the deal looking like lying intolerant totalitarians.

    3 The left is scheisse. It's a quasi-religious, total mental institution. And the more you examine it, the worse it looks.

    4 Another corollary of the southpaw advantage; alt-right are, at the moment, mostly smart, curious, independent thinkers. Compared to your typical lefty, your typical alt-righter is vastly well-informed.

    5 Alt-right actually has a sensible basis, unlike leftism, which is pretty obviously non compos mentis.

    My roundabout point here is that the alt-right's swagger is down to having the superior argument, not the superior intellect. A run-of-the-mill alt-righter can and does routinely maul your average leftist college professor.

    Who are these people? They are part of a group of a few hundred thousand men who have “swallowed the red pill” and belong to a few allied online movements: not just the Alt-Right, but also men’s rights activists, the manosphere, and GamerGate. …
     
    A recent poll, in the wake of Charlottesville, indicated that 10% of the American public "strongly supports" the alt-right.

    Online alt-righters are the online activist segment of the alt-right population.

    P.S., I love it when center-leftists say stuff like "OMG I'm a medieval studies professor and I just noticed that the alt-right are the only place I see "cool" medieval avatars and symbols..." or "TFW you notice that the alt-right are waaaaaaaay more into western civ than your students are."

    Donna: My harassment began in the final days of 2016. At its worst, I was receiving a steady stream of emails and tweets filled with misogynistic, anti-Semitic bile. Some of these missives helpfully included links to longer and even more vitriolic rants about me, my work, and my family….
     
    This is how Jews describe when they get a torrent of emails and comments that are 99% cogently argued, forming a critique far too devastating to acknowledge, and 1% bile. They ignore the 99% and focus monomaniacally on the 1% because 1 they have no argument, and no response 2 they're dishonest, 1+2 they're dishonest activists with no argument.

    Do you ever get the feeling that some of the current frumpus involves Teen Vogue- and Cosmo-reading girls wanting to be both socially respectable for belonging to the conformist Ctrl-Left and wanting the sexy bad boys of the Alt-Right to notice them?
     
    The left has outlawed masculinity. OF COURSE they're pining away for someone to smash their power structure. I wish I had a dollar for every leftist male I ran across who was clearly dying inside: appropriating alt-right/anti-SJW terminology like "snowflake" and "cuck", unironically using homosexual slurs under stress, and in general projecting and signaling their own dissatisfaction with their limpwristed effeminate worldview in every way possible.

    When did “a conversation” come to mean “a lecture” instead of “a conversation?”
     
    1984 is the left's instruction manual. They have to switch all the meanings of words around because their ideology is scheisse. They want to lecture, but everyone hates lectures, prefers conversations, so they call their lectures conversations.

    Donna: Most harassment is framed in deeply personal terms, as an attack on an individual’s scholarship, appearance, and behavior. It can therefore be difficult to extricate the characteristics of the individual from the overall circumstance of the harassment.
     
    An attack on an individual's scholarship is not "deeply personal." It is an attack on an individual's scholarship. This is the very definition of impersonal. An attack on an individual's behavior is not ipso facto deeply personal, either, what with scholarship being a product of behavior. I suppose leftist console themselves on this by lauding their own method of simply making shit up and attributing it to their critics; what they're criticizing has no connection whatsoever to the people they're attributing it to...

    I am a relatively recent Ivy League PhD (2014), unaffiliated to any academic institution (although at the time I was connected to the Paideia Institute), a woman, a Jew, and a close relative of a wealthy celebrity. Some of these factors mark me as privileged, while others do not
     
    Actually they all mark her as privileged; none so much as Jewishness.

    1) I “asked” for what I got by engaging in public scholarship and speaking out against the alt-right; 2) I didn’t have enough of a scholarly record to merit support; 3) I didn’t have a traditional academic job that I could be fired from; and 4) surely I had ample personal resources at my disposal to protect myself.
     
    In short, her privilege wasn't enough to mobilize White Knights to defend her.

    but we can challenge and confront these kinds of ideas
     
    No, they really can't. That's the whole problem. Engaging with the alt-right results in a loss for the left, every time. Hence all the censorship, safe spaces, political correctness, etc.

    Support isn’t a zero-sum game: withholding it from someone you consider privileged doesn’t mean you’ll have more to give to someone less privileged.
     
    Time is a zero-sum game. Any support worth the name takes time, time one won't have to spend on other things. Also, LOL @ "withholding support," like it's not the default state of things.

    Well, Dr. Zuckerberg, you are writing about them” “Red Pill communities” as you describe them. So is it all that surprising that the objects of your derision expression derision in return?
     
    Exactly. Jews bash Whites (in the form of "my fellow awful white people..."), Whites show up and bash Jews. OMG, antisemitism!!!

    Replies: @AM

    Well written.

    Just so you know, a “southpaw” is a lefty, not a right handed person. Maybe I’m confusing the terms – LOL.

    Engaging with the alt-right results in a loss for the left, every time. Hence all the censorship, safe spaces, political correctness, etc.

    I was willing to dive into the muck to find out what it was about. I came out with what feels like a now properly righted worldview.

    Cleaned up, most “alt-right” positions are compelling because simply stated, they are based in truth.

  187. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @unpc downunder

    'Post-rational leftism' is also 'pre-rational leftism', in that it's essentially religious in character. It's never really been rational.

    Marxism and its vile progeny have grown and spread because they draw their dark energy from a deeper and more powerful metanarrative. That metanarrative is a perversion of the Christian story of creation-fall-redemption. Marxism holds no sway over ordinary people's hearts and minds without its sin and demons (cruel, rapacious capitalists); its telos (an egalitarian utopia); and its saviors (the vanguard who lead their fellows into an essentially Gnostic awakening to awareness of their chains).

    The Marxist narrative has always been the story of humanity redeeming itself through its own wisdom and devices. It's a parasite, a parody, of the the true Christian story. It gives ordinary sinful people the illusion that they can be saviors, that they can redeem not only their own broken lives, but those of others, too.

    Take a look at the current Daily Mail story on the latest St Louis riots: LINK

    Click the first photo to get into the DM's photo slideshow mode, then click ahead to photo 16. It shows four protesters linked arm-in-arm. Take a look at the woman on the right. That is the face of religious ecstacy.

    Replies: @jim jones

    Rather than posting those complicated instructions you could just have mirrored the image:

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @jim jones

    Maybe she's just about to sneeze. Or she really likes that fit black dude next to her.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @jim jones

    Thanks for that -- how do you do that kind of mirroring in this forum?

    Replies: @res

    , @jim jones
    @jim jones

    With Firefox you right click on the image and do a "Save Image as", then you upload it to Imgur and copy the link it gives you to your comment. Other browsers may vary.

    , @BB753
    @jim jones

    That's not a religiois feeling, that's "gina tingles". She's surrounded by violent men doing violent stuff, and she's feeling funny in her panties.

  188. @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    So a sort of moral pollution.

    Interesting concept.

    Replies: @AM

    So a sort of moral pollution.

    Looked at objectively as I can, historically, Jewish society does seem to be a disruptive rather than a cohesive presence in host societies. They aren’t the ultimate source of the collapse, but they certainly don’t help.

  189. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Projecting the inevitable within-family resentments outward to being the fault of the greater society ...

    It's really good strategy for maintaining cohesion within an ethnic group as long as you don't have a society in general to care about.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous

    Projecting

    While we’re hat-tipping Freud, is it what Freudians call “displacement”? With it doubly verboten for those in close-knit minorities to engage in intragroup conflict, bad feelings towards the in-group must be displaced onto the out-group.

    Maybe Freud was attuned to the psychology of a particular people.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anonymous

    Both are going on. Resentment toward others in the in group is displaced toward the out group. This is made easier when members of the in group habitually project their own nasty thoughts and habits onto the out group.

    You don't get mad and your brother Mark. You get mad at those people who obviously possess all the hatred and bad intentions that reside inside you.

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @Anonymous

    All of Freud's early patients were rich, neurotic Jewish women. This means his analysis is particularly useful when looking at she-zuck and her ilk.

  190. @black sea
    Donna Zuckerberg:

    We still have a long way to go in tearing down the boundaries to access to our discipline, which has historically been the province of the wealthy – so rather than speculating about each other’s personal net worths, let’s all focus on making our discipline more inclusive and accessible to all. …


     

    From a Washington University in St. Louis webpage for those considering graduate study in Classics:

    PhD programs in Classics are difficult and often take six or more years.

    The job market for university professors of Classics is exceedingly tight. There is a good possibility that you will never obtain a permanent position teaching Classics at a college or university, even if you successfully complete a PhD in Classics in a first-rate program.
     
    According to payscale.com, the median salary for a professor of Classics is $83,358.


    Isn't this the sort of the field that by definition skews toward people who either don't need to make a living or feel confident that a soft landing awaits them if academia doesn't pan out. Like, for example, people related to billionaires.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “According to payscale.com, the median salary for a professor of Classics is $83,358.”

    You might be interested in: https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728

  191. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Dotcom Bubble 2.0 is now online with blacks and minorities. Please support the nascent Fakebook Zuck Revolution in taking black fantasies and mindless inane drivel and putting it on expensive servers with enough bandwidth to handle all of the dozens of professors and a handful of true believers willing to waste their time ignoring the Western Classics and trying for the umpteenth time to uplift failed dark skinned idiots who are repelled by the written word.
    Like Myspace and AOL, Mark Zuckerberg is all in for following business models designed by experts in everything but computers, technology and science.
    WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

  192. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    Projecting
     
    While we're hat-tipping Freud, is it what Freudians call "displacement"? With it doubly verboten for those in close-knit minorities to engage in intragroup conflict, bad feelings towards the in-group must be displaced onto the out-group.

    Maybe Freud was attuned to the psychology of a particular people.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TelfoedJohn

    Both are going on. Resentment toward others in the in group is displaced toward the out group. This is made easier when members of the in group habitually project their own nasty thoughts and habits onto the out group.

    You don’t get mad and your brother Mark. You get mad at those people who obviously possess all the hatred and bad intentions that reside inside you.

  193. @ben tillman
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.
     
    You destroyed your credibility with the second sentence. "Up" is not a preposition in that sentence.

    Replies: @Broski, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Mark Spahn writes: There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    Ben Tillman objects: You destroyed your credibility with the second sentence. “Up” is not a preposition in that sentence.

    Mark Spahn replies: Oh Ben, I think you missed my little joke. My second sentence illustrates that following the don’t-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition rule sometimes leads to ridiculous wording: “that’s something I won’t put up with” becomes “that’s something up with which I will not put”. (Yes, “up” is not a preposition, but “with” is.)

    For more amusing examples, take a look at
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preposition_stranding

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    Oh Ben, I think you missed my little joke. My second sentence illustrates that following the don’t-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition rule sometimes leads to ridiculous wording: “that’s something I won’t put up with” becomes “that’s something up with which I will not put”.
     
    No, it becomes "That's something with which I will not put up".

    The other construction ("up with which I will not put") sounds ridiculous because it's grammatically wrong.
  194. @Cagey Beast
    @James Kabala


    Unholy Union
    Meet the Moscow Mouthpiece Married to a Racist Alt-Right Boss
    She spreads the words of Russia’s most virulent propagandist. He’s a leading racist hate-monger. Nina Kouprianova and Richard Spencer are a very different kind of power couple.
    Casey Michel
    12.20.16 1:05 AM ET
     
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-moscow-mouthpiece-married-to-a-racist-alt-right-boss

    There's also a photo of her and Spencer meeting Laura Bush. Nina has a black & orange St. George's ribbon on her purse in the picture. I guess it was taken around Russian Victory Day. LOLs.

    https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/899146431784603648

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Interesting link in its own right, but that led me to:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/from-lucifers-hammer-to-newts-moon-base-to-donalds-wallthe-sci-fi-roots-of-the-far-right

    As for @NinaByzantina, I liked: “This account is personally protected by Putin and Kadyrov.”

  195. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    @candid_observer

    Excuse me. I have a question. Is there some reason why I should care about Zuckerberg?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Personally, I find the Donna Zuckerberg posts to very likely constitute my favorite category in four years of reading here.

    That said, I think that the chances of Mark Z being the Democratic nominee, and of him becoming President, and of this being world-historically bad, are all greater than many people allow.

    For one thing, Mark is, so far as I can tell, the only plausible Democratic candidate who can win back people who voted for Trump. He won’t be winning back many iSteve readers, and he won’t be winning back people who post pictures of babes in tight shorts and MAGA hats at /r/TheDonald, but he can plausibly win votes from many people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils. They don’t need to like Mark Z, or think he will be a good President. They can vote for him as the lesser of two evils. And if he can plausibly win the general election, which he can, that means he is a plausible nominee, no matter what people think.

  196. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This girl is silly. Does anyone think she would have any traction in academia OR public discussions without her brother (who got lucky on a dotcom). Yeah, didn’t think so.

    And the blue hair. Such a trite cliche. I don’t think she even realizes how old hat her remarks and thoughts are.

    Does she have any real thoughts or discoveries? Just a whine of trite silliness. And she is too stupid and nonselfreflective to even realize herself.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Anonymous

    The blue hair, and more significantly, the tweet about her political motivations for dying, not her hair really, but just the wingtips of her hair, blue, smack of a pretty acute and pretty juvenile need for attention.

    I guess this reflects the sibling resentments that you've alluded to. But it also reflects her fundamental lack of serious engagement with the world, engagement as struggle to understand. Reading an admittedly small sample of her work, I wonder, are the operations of the world really so transparent? Does she ever wonder whether she's on the wrong track, or simply spouting jibberish? Has her experience since graduating from collge changed her worldview in any way? Her answers, so far as I can tell, are yes, no, and, it's confirmed and reinforced my worldview.

    I suspect that Ms. Zuckerberg's life experience has left her perpetually dissatisfied, but never really devastated. I guess we've all known people like this. When life does get around to devastating them, they do sometimes start to grow up. But that can be a long time coming.

    Replies: @BB753

  197. @jim jones
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Rather than posting those complicated instructions you could just have mirrored the image:

    https://imgur.com/a/3ZoHA

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Last Real Calvinist, @jim jones, @BB753

    Maybe she’s just about to sneeze. Or she really likes that fit black dude next to her.

  198. @jim jones
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Rather than posting those complicated instructions you could just have mirrored the image:

    https://imgur.com/a/3ZoHA

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Last Real Calvinist, @jim jones, @BB753

    Thanks for that — how do you do that kind of mirroring in this forum?

    • Replies: @res
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I don't know if Ron has written a description of what exactly is supported here, but this is my understanding. This would be a great topic for a FAQ if there isn't one already.

    Pictures are the easiest. Just include a direct link to the image itself. Make sure you are not linking to some kind of image browser and that your link does not have extraneous tags on the end (i.e. link should end in .jpg, .png etc.). I think the link may need to be on a separate line.

    Then there are special features for specific sites. I think those include Youtube, Twitter, and Imgur, but don't know if there are any more. In that case I think you just link to a page on that site, but there may be subtleties.

    The best advice is to take a look at an example. In this case hover over the jim jones link in your comment to see what the actual comment text is.

    P.S. I think the links need to begin with http or https.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  199. Well written.

    Just so you know, a “southpaw” is a lefty, not a right handed person. Maybe I’m confusing the terms – LOL.

    Thanks.

    Yes, southpaw advantage refers to the handicap faced by right-handed boxers/pitchers/batters against left-handed boxers/pitchers/batters. Left-handers have spent their whole lives facing right-handed opponents so they’re entirely used to it, while right-handers have much less experience going up against left-handers. Confusion enters because here the right-wing gets the left-hander’s advantage. 🙂

    You mean now? I guess de facto white supremacy in this, our civilization, is a given. But I think she means a time of white supremacist rule, or at least a time with white supremacy rising.

    Coulda fooled me! Here, I thought we still lived in a time of white degradation and political correctness. Hence the fact that someone can make a living writing articles like Teaching Medieval Studies in a Time of White Supremacy.

    I’ve spent years wondering how many lefties are just conformists who never think anything through (their only thought-through thoughts thus having been given to them by others), how many are compulsive liars, and how many are non compos mentis. I’ve given up wondering, but you have to be some combination of the three to say America is a White Supremacist society. Yes, any sign of pro-White politics are always squashed as in Charlottesville and Berkeley and everywhere else in a White Supremacist society, didn’t you know?

    It is not a rule of grammar, but of style. It has sufficient subscription that the skilled editor avoids its violation.

    Many outcomes of taking that avoidance too far sound and read far worse than simply ending a sentence with a preposition. P.S., AFAICT it’s a carry-over from Latin. So it’s a very old style.

    “Jews will be resented for our leading role.”

    It’s been a long time since I read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, but weren’t they pretty much right about everything?

    The average Roman legionary was 5’7″

    And the average woman he would be throwing over his shoulder was like 5’1″.

    If Red Pill or alt-right types actually were ultra-masculine in demeanor, this theory might have more plausibility.

    We’re talking politics here. In that arena, alt-right types are ultra-masculine.

    Fortunately Julian Assange has an alibi.

    Speaking of, does the iSteve-verse know that Assange has been red-pilled, apparently for some time?

    Hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of people who define themselves in opposition to us are not Jews. They’re midwit WASPs with acute and well-earned status anxiety.

    Whites are both our target audience, and much more sympathetic to our cause than Jews. Jews are monolithically opposed.

    the unwieldy construction required to avoid ending the sentence with the preposition

    This. This is why nobody much cares about ending a sentence with a preposition. Compliance is like nails on a chalkboard.

  200. @Anonymous
    This girl is silly. Does anyone think she would have any traction in academia OR public discussions without her brother (who got lucky on a dotcom). Yeah, didn't think so.

    And the blue hair. Such a trite cliche. I don't think she even realizes how old hat her remarks and thoughts are.

    Does she have any real thoughts or discoveries? Just a whine of trite silliness. And she is too stupid and nonselfreflective to even realize herself.

    Replies: @black sea

    The blue hair, and more significantly, the tweet about her political motivations for dying, not her hair really, but just the wingtips of her hair, blue, smack of a pretty acute and pretty juvenile need for attention.

    I guess this reflects the sibling resentments that you’ve alluded to. But it also reflects her fundamental lack of serious engagement with the world, engagement as struggle to understand. Reading an admittedly small sample of her work, I wonder, are the operations of the world really so transparent? Does she ever wonder whether she’s on the wrong track, or simply spouting jibberish? Has her experience since graduating from collge changed her worldview in any way? Her answers, so far as I can tell, are yes, no, and, it’s confirmed and reinforced my worldview.

    I suspect that Ms. Zuckerberg’s life experience has left her perpetually dissatisfied, but never really devastated. I guess we’ve all known people like this. When life does get around to devastating them, they do sometimes start to grow up. But that can be a long time coming.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @black sea

    She's probably in a bad marriage too. I pity his husband. If being married to a harridan is a bad experience, divorcing one is even worse!

  201. @jim jones
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Rather than posting those complicated instructions you could just have mirrored the image:

    https://imgur.com/a/3ZoHA

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Last Real Calvinist, @jim jones, @BB753

    With Firefox you right click on the image and do a “Save Image as”, then you upload it to Imgur and copy the link it gives you to your comment. Other browsers may vary.

  202. @eah
    wut?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ275QpXkAAqxTk.jpg

    Replies: @eah

    wut?

  203. Blue hair, purple hair and green hair are the trademark of nut-cases and BO worshipers, and if one were to do a survey of the political affiliation of people sitting in the waiting rooms of shrink clinics from coast to coast one would not be amazed or suprised to find out that 99.99% of them are : Democrats.

    This PhD farce must finally be exposed for what it is : pure intellectual fraud and nothing but a door to life-long privilege for charlatans and phonies.

    After residing in two university towns in Germany for many years, and encountering some of the craziest Dummköpfe imaginable, idiots parading around and celebrating themselves and their “Doktor Titeln”, it became obvious that something is terribly amiss within western educational concepts.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    PS : Ms Zuckerberg has no clue as to the essence or message of the “Classics”, leftists do not grasp such subjects.

  204. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @jim jones

    Thanks for that -- how do you do that kind of mirroring in this forum?

    Replies: @res

    I don’t know if Ron has written a description of what exactly is supported here, but this is my understanding. This would be a great topic for a FAQ if there isn’t one already.

    Pictures are the easiest. Just include a direct link to the image itself. Make sure you are not linking to some kind of image browser and that your link does not have extraneous tags on the end (i.e. link should end in .jpg, .png etc.). I think the link may need to be on a separate line.

    Then there are special features for specific sites. I think those include Youtube, Twitter, and Imgur, but don’t know if there are any more. In that case I think you just link to a page on that site, but there may be subtleties.

    The best advice is to take a look at an example. In this case hover over the jim jones link in your comment to see what the actual comment text is.

    P.S. I think the links need to begin with http or https.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @res

    Many thanks.

  205. @Ali Choudhury
    I o not perceive much evidence of hankering for the strong, manly stalwarts of the alt-right within the loins of the young, liberal womanhood of America - as opposed to minted tech overlords. The view among the white left appears to be that they are icky,boorish video-game playing losers who have yet to experience a woman's touch and spend their leisure time sending racist tweets to people like the black lady who was in the Ghostbusters reboot. If Richard Spencer or Milo bag themselves retired ballerinas or Miranda Kerr, please post news of it here.

    Replies: @Tyrion, @anonguy

    I o not perceive much evidence of hankering for the strong, manly stalwarts of the alt-right within the loins of the young, liberal womanhood of America – as opposed to minted tech overlords. The view among the white left appears to be that they are icky,boorish video-game playing losers who have yet to experience a woman’s touch and spend their leisure time sending racist tweets to people like the black lady who was in the Ghostbusters reboot. If Richard Spencer or Milo bag themselves retired ballerinas or Miranda Kerr, please post news of it here.

    Agree 100%. Alt-right is composed of frustrated loser boys. It is a graduate program for PUAs.

  206. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Gee, Gaius Julius Caesar as Hitler huh? PhD? Dr Stupid of WTF? I can see why these people are hated now, I tell ya. Just clueless and obnoxious, and about as smart as uninvited gate crasher too stupid to stay quiet. Why exactly does she believe she can criticize us? Some fake degree? Wonder how that happened. Not study, thats for sure.

  207. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @ben tillman

    Mark Spahn writes: There is not, and never has been, a rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. This claim is a grammatical canard up with which we should not put.

    Ben Tillman objects: You destroyed your credibility with the second sentence. “Up” is not a preposition in that sentence.

    Mark Spahn replies: Oh Ben, I think you missed my little joke. My second sentence illustrates that following the don't-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition rule sometimes leads to ridiculous wording: "that's something I won't put up with" becomes "that's something up with which I will not put". (Yes, "up" is not a preposition, but "with" is.)

    For more amusing examples, take a look at
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preposition_stranding

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Oh Ben, I think you missed my little joke. My second sentence illustrates that following the don’t-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition rule sometimes leads to ridiculous wording: “that’s something I won’t put up with” becomes “that’s something up with which I will not put”.

    No, it becomes “That’s something with which I will not put up”.

    The other construction (“up with which I will not put”) sounds ridiculous because it’s grammatically wrong.

  208. @res
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I don't know if Ron has written a description of what exactly is supported here, but this is my understanding. This would be a great topic for a FAQ if there isn't one already.

    Pictures are the easiest. Just include a direct link to the image itself. Make sure you are not linking to some kind of image browser and that your link does not have extraneous tags on the end (i.e. link should end in .jpg, .png etc.). I think the link may need to be on a separate line.

    Then there are special features for specific sites. I think those include Youtube, Twitter, and Imgur, but don't know if there are any more. In that case I think you just link to a page on that site, but there may be subtleties.

    The best advice is to take a look at an example. In this case hover over the jim jones link in your comment to see what the actual comment text is.

    P.S. I think the links need to begin with http or https.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Many thanks.

  209. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I notice the she-Zuck seems to have started on her public career of making an idiot of herself on the internet about the same time her brother decided to run for president. In fact, all of her 3 siblings are more ambitious and successful than Donna is. It looks a lot like her brother's run has finally caused the untalented and unnoticed child in the family to blow up with sibling rivalry and go splat all over the internet.

    Stuff like the link below is absolutely ridiculous, and may very well help sink her brother's presidential campaign. Maybe that's what she's really up to. Maybe golden boy brother Mark is her secret most-hated white male. Being the only male out of three children in an ambitious Jewish family with high expectations probably led to a lot of favoritism and attention being given towards Mark, and it left Donna seething with jealousy. Out of all the SJW tropes, she obsesses over white male privilege more than anything else.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5e45147f34109bf0f049249f265e04d61748f957b5afae32d7e651f3ba6d419.png

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    Looking at her, she reminded me of the song “Green Hair”.

    Dyeing the hair, taking on causes they don’t really care about, cutting themselves, are just things women do to be the center of attention. Deep down what they really want is to be adulated. Donna Zuckerberg is an extreme example of that.

  210. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    Projecting
     
    While we're hat-tipping Freud, is it what Freudians call "displacement"? With it doubly verboten for those in close-knit minorities to engage in intragroup conflict, bad feelings towards the in-group must be displaced onto the out-group.

    Maybe Freud was attuned to the psychology of a particular people.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TelfoedJohn

    All of Freud’s early patients were rich, neurotic Jewish women. This means his analysis is particularly useful when looking at she-zuck and her ilk.

  211. @jim jones
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Rather than posting those complicated instructions you could just have mirrored the image:

    https://imgur.com/a/3ZoHA

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @The Last Real Calvinist, @jim jones, @BB753

    That’s not a religiois feeling, that’s “gina tingles”. She’s surrounded by violent men doing violent stuff, and she’s feeling funny in her panties.

  212. @Neuday
    @Alec Leamas


    Donna is the Tito of The Zuckerberg 4
     
    What a sad Yugoslavia to be held together by self-pity, moral preening and blood libel, but here we are.

    Replies: @BB753

    He meant Tito Jackson, the real genius in the Jackson Five who never got any respect or recognition.

  213. @black sea
    @Anonymous

    The blue hair, and more significantly, the tweet about her political motivations for dying, not her hair really, but just the wingtips of her hair, blue, smack of a pretty acute and pretty juvenile need for attention.

    I guess this reflects the sibling resentments that you've alluded to. But it also reflects her fundamental lack of serious engagement with the world, engagement as struggle to understand. Reading an admittedly small sample of her work, I wonder, are the operations of the world really so transparent? Does she ever wonder whether she's on the wrong track, or simply spouting jibberish? Has her experience since graduating from collge changed her worldview in any way? Her answers, so far as I can tell, are yes, no, and, it's confirmed and reinforced my worldview.

    I suspect that Ms. Zuckerberg's life experience has left her perpetually dissatisfied, but never really devastated. I guess we've all known people like this. When life does get around to devastating them, they do sometimes start to grow up. But that can be a long time coming.

    Replies: @BB753

    She’s probably in a bad marriage too. I pity his husband. If being married to a harridan is a bad experience, divorcing one is even worse!

  214. Anonymous [AKA "SimpleMe"] says:
    @Cagey Beast
    I just saw this cartoon on Twitter. It fits this case exactly.

    https://imgur.com/a/fRTxp

    Replies: @Anonymous

    People in Silicon Valley read the classics? Oh, really? LOL

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