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From the Babylon Bee:

NASA Announces All-Female Remake Of Staged Moon Landings
July 18th, 2019

HOUSTON, TX—As a tribute to the 50th anniversary of its fake moon landing, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration has announced a reboot of the staged event that fooled billions worldwide, only this time featuring an all-female crew.

NASA officials confirm they will release a shot-for-shot remake of the meticulously concocted phony moon landing, originally filmed at an undisclosed soundstage 50 years ago this week. The rejuvenated hoax will follow in the footsteps of other recent all-female reboots like Ghostbusters and Ocean’s 8….

Rumors claim the part of Neil Armstrong will be played by Scarlett Johansson, with Melissa McCarthy acting in the role of Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin. The Michael Collins character will be portrayed by Dame Judi Dench.

According to sources, the only change in the script is a more inclusive update to Armstrong’s famous words when setting foot on the moon, which will be replaced with the line “That’s one small step for a woman, one giant leap for womankind, mankind, transgenderkind, genderfluidkind, and otherkin.”

 
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  1. 1/6 Earth-gravity does wonders for the bust-line during action shots on the surface.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    You would think of that, you dirty dog, you.
    It is a titillating idea, though, isn't it?
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    OT:

    Diverse (Asian) Teen Beauty Queen stripped of title for insensitive tweets. The offending tweet?

    " “Did you know the majority of black deaths are caused by other blacks? Fix problems within your own community first before blaming others.”

    Zhu told The News she had posted that tweet in response to social media claims that “all cops are bad cops, all cops were killing blacks,” an explanation she was not able to provide pageant organizers.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/19/u-m-college-republican-loses-beauty-crown-over-insensitive-tweets/1776855001/
  2. OK. One of the early conspiracy theory pieces of hoax evidence was that you could not see stars in the black space in moon photos. There are plausible reasons for that; nevertheless, I recently saw a photo that seemingly had stars. Makes one wonder.

    • Disagree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @El Dato
    Makes one wonder about what?

    You only get stars for long exposure away from the glare of the sun.

    End of the story.

    "Our special effects are so bad we don't have stars in there even though Stanley Kubrick managed them a couple year earlier -- as the Gemini program (which was evidently not hoaxed) was winding down."

    Leika is pissing on this whole brainrot from the other side.
    , @inselaffen
    yes, people who think that the NASA hoax team forgot to put a couple of white spots in the sky on some of their photos to make their hoax more convincing to the general public, and that conclusively proves the whole thing was a hoax, certainly do make me wonder.
    , @Justvisiting
    The stuff they show on TV to honor the anniversary of the alleged moon landing is hilarious.

    It could be picked apart by a moderately intelligent elementary school class.
  3. Will this be like The Handmaid’s Tale where womyn do nothing but sit around complaining all day?

  4. @The Alarmist
    OK. One of the early conspiracy theory pieces of hoax evidence was that you could not see stars in the black space in moon photos. There are plausible reasons for that; nevertheless, I recently saw a photo that seemingly had stars. Makes one wonder.

    Makes one wonder about what?

    You only get stars for long exposure away from the glare of the sun.

    End of the story.

    “Our special effects are so bad we don’t have stars in there even though Stanley Kubrick managed them a couple year earlier — as the Gemini program (which was evidently not hoaxed) was winding down.”

    Leika is pissing on this whole brainrot from the other side.

  5. Can Rosie O’Donnell direct? She looks the most like Stanley Kubrick.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Oh, Come on! I know we can all be pretty crass in fun in this forum, and I'm no prude, but here I think we can all agree you are being cruel and taking things way too far.

    You should apologize to Mr. Kubrick's family.
    , @Bill Jones
    I thought Rosie O'Donnell was a natch for the Moon Lander,
    , @Lot
    https://www.historyforsale.com/productimages/jpeg/341536.jpg
  6. @The Alarmist
    OK. One of the early conspiracy theory pieces of hoax evidence was that you could not see stars in the black space in moon photos. There are plausible reasons for that; nevertheless, I recently saw a photo that seemingly had stars. Makes one wonder.

    yes, people who think that the NASA hoax team forgot to put a couple of white spots in the sky on some of their photos to make their hoax more convincing to the general public, and that conclusively proves the whole thing was a hoax, certainly do make me wonder.

  7. The story fails to mention that all the Mission Control staff members will be played by black actors.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    What? No Mexicans?
  8. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    In a less PC world screenwriters would be clammering to option this Babylon Bee story. This would really be funny as a movie if it managed to get made while still ridiculing the female stuff. They could recap the original fake moon landing (would the Stanley Kubrick estate allow his name to be used?), then get a current director to do the all-woman fake moon landing. If they could get a real, famous male director to play himself, that would be perfect. I vote for Ron Howard as the director of the 21st century fake. Elon Musk has to appear as himself in some capacity: Maybe it could be a fake Mars landing with an all woman crew?

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    It could be really funny. The lead female astronaut could be some super-woke lesbian like Megan Rapinoe who is psyched to be the first woman on the moon then half way through the film Ron Howard turns up to tell her she's only going to New Mexico to pretend to go.
  9. That New York Times article doesn’t mention that there were probably more women Cosmonauts in Space than just Tereshkova but the Soviets never said anything about flights that exploded on the launch pad or women who burned up on reentry.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    The atchives show no such things are there are very good records of the N-1 explodo event which was coyly covered up.

    In short: Bullshit.

    The Chinese however managed to flatten a whole village with a rocket going sideways...
  10. anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    1/6 Earth-gravity does wonders for the bust-line during action shots on the surface.

    You would think of that, you dirty dog, you.
    It is a titillating idea, though, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It is a titillating idea, though, isn’t it?
     
    Hey, the place is full of "mares".


    http://www.starfieldobservatory.com/images/Virtual%20Moon%20full%20Maria.JPG
  11. 1. I actually doubt the moon landing took place. I mean we haven’t been back since and we don’t really have the technology at the time. It is incocoevable tontuink that a country as oppressive repressive and regressive as the white make Christian suirpremacist USA could has done that. There were no asians or females so I doubt the legitimacy

    2. The Babylon Bee is a perfect example of why conservative white people are bad at comedy

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    3. If it were so easy the white folks could do it, one of the several Peoples Democratic Republics of the Congo would have done it years before. Because of vibranium.
    , @Faraday's Bobcat

    It is incocoevable tontuink that a country as oppressive repressive and regressive as the white make Christian suirpremacist USA could has done that. There were no asians or females so I doubt the legitimacy
     
    Oh, I know! NASA never did anything good back then. But they soon got woke and hired lots of women and minorities, and now we have nuclear rockets making regular trips to our Mars colonies!
    , @Anonymous

    1. I actually doubt the moon landing took place.
     
    I believe that you don't.
  12. Underlying truth:
    The left wants all hires to be done as if casting them for the part in a movie.

  13. The Michael Collins character should be played by RuPaul.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Michael Collins should be played by Liam Neeson, just so he can say he played both Michael Collins.

    By the way, there's also a cocktail called a Michael Collins: it's one shot and you hit the road.
  14. 3 white women? Pshaw.

  15. Kudos to ‘The Babylon Bee’ for consistently good work. I though I’d throw up in my mouth a little if I had to sit through another ‘news’ segment concerning women’s, or colored peoples’, contributions to the moon landing.
    BTW, the first American woman in space was also (I believe) the first lesbian in space. Why doesn’t that get any mention? (She did keep quiet about her personal life, but since her death, you’d think that as agressive as the queer lobby is, they’d be resurrecting her corpse for this.)

    • Replies: @CCZ
    BB also coined a good phrase with "Chronic Racism Delusion" (below).

    https://babylonbee.com/news/progressive-immediately-responds-racism-to-every-image-in-rorschach-test
    , @PhysicistDave
    South Texas Guy wrote:

    BTW, the first American woman in space was also (I believe) the first lesbian in space. Why doesn’t that get any mention? (She did keep quiet about her personal life...
     
    Sally Ride -- I actually met her when we were both physics grad students at Stanford.

    The answer to your question, of course, is that she actually had a sense of personal dignity. Just like many other gay folks, but unlike those who manage to get noticed by the PC media.

    Of course, one of the little secrets of American society is that almost no one really cares about the sexual orientation of famous entertainers, artists, scientists, businessmen, or, yes, astronauts, unless and until the person chooses to make it a public issue. People's public life should be honored and their privacy should be respected.

    That has actually been the American way for longer than most people on the Left realize.
    , @SaneClownPosse
    She might have been a conservative politically, that would render her sexual correctness moot.
  16. Will they defeat the moon Nazis in combat this time?

  17. A conservative Czech physicist, Luboš Motl, wrote this about women in NASA then and now:

    Fifty years ago, there were almost no women in the scientific and technological positions at NASA because lots of women just wouldn’t be too useful. But the situation has changed. These days, lots of women are actively harmful. The omnipresence of the likes of [Mary Robinette Kowal, the NYT writer] is a top reason why it seems so hard today to land people on the Moon – although it should be way easier than 50 years ago. Their comments are much more unpleasant and ruining for the working culture …

    Feminists at NYT, WaPo spit at Moonwalkers

    He also references several articles that counter the Soviet propaganda about Valentina Tereshkova, the first actual woman in space:

    The signs of the first serious problems with Tereshkova appeared shortly after Vostok 6 was orbited. When the ship [in orbit] headed west, Tereshkovova did not respond to the urgent calls from the Leningrad interconnector, so a planned radio link could not be established. General Nikolai Kamanin sat at the main control center. He decided to wait for the next [orbital pass], which meant that the new connection could be attempted in less than half an hour.

    “What’s happening?” Kamanin called urgently as Vostok 6 approached the radio audibility area. He even repeated his question several times. And as soon as the signal came from the television camera, they saw on the monitors that Tereshkova was asleep. Kamanin ordered the beep to sound. A siren rang in the Vostok 6 cabin. Tereshkova finally heard, her voice very tired.

    “What happened?” Kamanin asked. “Why aren’t you answering?”

    “I fell asleep,” was the answer. “I’m terribly tired. I fell asleep.”

    A detailed investigation later showed that when the first cosmonauts, who were military fighter pilots, were in orbit, their work performance fell to 40 to 50 percent of normal, but it was less than 15 percent for Valentina Tereshkova!

    Zdroj: https://www.idnes.cz/technet/vesmir/valentina-tereskovova.A130614_123928_tec_vesmir_kuz

    Right after the start, she almost cut off her head – the first woman in space

    • Replies: @El Dato
    It's Lubos. An washed-out and bitter ex string physicist now specializing in Internet unpleastness and genereal misogyny. Could do something useful if he toned down his stridency.
  18. A masterpiece of satire. I’m glad there’s now an alternative to The Daily Stormer.

  19. I used to think it was preposterous to question whether we landed on the moon. However, over the last 20 years my beliefs about our government have changed so much that I would never dismiss such a seemingly ridiculous contention out of hand. I still think it happened and if it’s not the greatest single human accomplishment, it’s certainly in the top 3. My only nagging doubt is that our government is capable of such treachery, I’m not sure of anything anymore.

    A few years ago I met and spoke with Gene Cernan, the last man to have walked on the moon. He was as humble, pleasant and engaging as anyone I’ve ever met. I can’t reconcile his persona and demeanor with a giant hoax.

    OT, John Tanton passed away:

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/07/18/anti-immigrant-john-tanton-dies/1764377001/

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @ET
    For anyone who was at the launch of those sat 9's it's hard to imagine how that was faked. Also, there's a reflector on the moon, that one can shine a laser on from earth.

    Also, back in 69, there was no cgi yet. And to be able to fake the time delays and the effects of 1/6th gravity on the slowness of their walking would be a bit difficult to do in real time. If you watch 2001 movie, you will see that they couldn't fully simulate zero g either.

    And finally, unless that feather was a fake, the Galileo experiment of dropping a feather and a solid object to the ground and seeing the correct acceleration and that they hit the ground at the same time would lead me to believe that it really happened, just as I watched it live on tv back then.
    , @Simply Simon
    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don't waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.
  20. https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/influencers-and-agencies-react-to-instagram-hiding-likes-count/11322832

    Ok I’ve seen this term tossed around for a few years now…..wtf exactly is “an influencer”….?

    Serious question, anybody know?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    As best I can figure, its a term being coined to mean one of the persons who become famous via Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, Youtube, or whatever other such pointless platform is being invented just now.

    The person may or may not be a celebrity via other media in his own right.

    An example might be any of the Kardashian monsters, or that Pham lady – the Oriental girl who teaches females how to trick males into thinking they (the females) are attractive when they are not by using gobs of cosmetics. The other Oriental lady that Steve mentioned once, the one whose brilliant insight is that people should get rid of stuff they never use, and stop acquiring it, also comes to mind.

    There's a guy who makes videos on YouTube calling himself "PewdiePie," too. I think he likes video games. Jojo Siwa, the freakish eighteen-year-old (going on nine) with the bows that make it look as if someone is always waterskiing and using her hair as a tow-rope? Yeah, I think she is one.

    Influencers, so called because they ostensibly...well...influence people (to buy stuff, watch media, etc. – it's only of interest to The Man if it makes him more money off the cattle after all) are Instagram whores, obnoxious personalities with YouTube channels, and so on.

    I don't know whether Steve Sailer, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson, Captain Capitalism, the Black Pigeon, Titiana McGrath, and such are to be considered influencers in this context, because they are probably not vapid enough.

    Being vapid yet inordinately popular is important to be considered an influencer by The Man. It's a title tantamount to the equally meaningless "thought leader" used by corporate jackasses.

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.
  21. I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I’ve had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    1%

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?
    , @Henry's Cat
    My calculations put it at 88%.
    , @Gordo

    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I’ve had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.
     
    I can't see all the Apollo missions being fake, therefore why would any of them be fake.

    The Russians monitored them ever inch of the way, were they in on it as well? Nah.
    , @S. Anonyia
    I say it’s 50/50 whether we actually went. If we have gone, likely only a few of the of the expeditions were legit. And the more time passes where neither we nor any other major power venture back up there, the more suspect the whole thing is. One of my great uncles worked at NASA in an upper level engineering position and told my father back in the 90s that the government had a file on all his close friends and relatives, including their children. Would not elaborate further. Also I’ve met some very smart people (husband’s family members with advanced degrees in science/engineering) who don’t believe it happened. The Van Allen belt is a big point of contention.
    , @Anonymous
    How could we have without the diversity and shit ?
    , @Desiderius
    At the end of the day all one has is the character of the men involved. It is more than sufficient. Skeptics would do well to reflect on their own failing to reach that standard.
  22. How’s about Dame Judi takes over from Werner Von Braun as a Jewish lesbian engineering genius designing dildo shaped space rockets to crush the patriarchy.

    And as Buzz brought Episcopal communion with him on Apollo 11, whoever takes the Buzz role could bring an abortion kit for the first lunar abortion? Like in First Man where Neil throws the bracelet, they could throw the foetus into a crater.

    And that tear-jerking moment when they plant the trans flag on the Moon, not a dry eye in the place.

    • Replies: @peterike

    How’s about Dame Judi takes over from Werner Von Braun as a Jewish lesbian engineering genius designing dildo shaped space rockets to crush the patriarchy

     

    She's already busy female-washing the character of Old Deuteronomy in the new, woke "Cats" movie, which is black-washed up, down and sideways.
    , @Corn
    “And as Buzz brought Episcopal communion with him on Apollo 11, whoever takes the Buzz role could bring an abortion kit for the first lunar abortion?”

    Just as one brings the abortion kit another could bring a stack of index cards. These cards could explain, with pictographs and hieroglyphics, how extraterrestrials can claim asylum in the United States.
  23. Will Meryl Streep be chain-smoking in Mission Control?

  24. We definitely landed on the moon. If you think otherwise, have a look at 2001: A Space Odyssey for contemporary cutting edge SF. Then look at the moon landing footage which even today looks pretty damn authentic and can even now only be challenged on tangential phenomena like the absence of stars (which to me confirms authenticity because of its counter-intuitiveness — a faker would certainly imagine the moon’s sky (which is precisely not a nightsky!) to be sparkling). All the budget in the world could not fix the cinematographic deficit, and if it was a government budget it would have the opposite effect.

    Whoever writes for Babylon Bee has an IQ north of 150.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward

    ...which even today looks pretty damn authentic
     
    No, it doesn't. It looks pretty damn fake.

    For one, the color of the moon is wrong; it's supposed to be brown, not gray.

    See the Chinese rover photos or the photos from Apollo 10 if you don't believe me.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I saw 2001 in a theater last year - its special effects are flawless. Only two elements don’t match the reality:

    1) The earth as seen from the moon is paler than in reality (this effect was done before there were photos of earth from space).

    2) 1/6th gravity isn’t portrayed. In fairness, this must be an incredibly difficult effect, and it’s one last year’s First Man didn’t show either.
  25. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I've had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    1%

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    Well, it's well-established that robots and probes landed on the moon.

    The photo and video footage of the human landings is obviously fake.

    So, yes, we landed on the moon, but no human ever went there.
    , @rod1963
    It's clear you have no idea how defense contracting works the way it does and why it even takes decades to get a new pistol. It's about $$$$ and nothing else.

    The Moon landings could not be duplicated after the last Apollo mission because there was no budget and most of the sub-contractor workers(where are the engineering know-how was) was let go. Also NASA's culture was changing for the worse and never got regained it's reputation it had during the Apollo years.

    The massive wave of Aerospace mergers during the 90's basically destroyed our institutional knowledge for space travel.
    , @Mr. Anon

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven?
     
    It only took three years from conception to production of the U2 spy plane. By your logic, I guess, the U2 never actually flew. It was all a hoax.

    Lots of aircraft in the US inventory back then were designed, flown, and put into production within a half-dozen years or less.

    Then lost the transmitted data?
     
    They didn't.

    Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?
     
    Why would they? For what purpose?
    , @Major Nelson

    took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?
     
    Uh... the Nazi's were developing rocket science back in the late thirties. By 1944 or so, they were using their newfangled contraptions to blast to figgy pudding out of the limey's, with considerable effect.

    In 1945, we picked the best nazi rocket scientists available, and unleashed them into our space program. Thanks to our reputation, we were the post-war first choice amongst discerning Nazi scientists who valued their hides, so we wound up securing the highest quality brains from the group, while the Russians mostly got the slackers. It’s is the primary reason we whipped their asses in "the space race." Our team was fortified with the biggest nazi-certified brains available, with briefcases chock full of years of rocket R&D, and they did not disappoint.

    So you see, your premise about the claimed short time from R&D to realization is false.

    We had quantity of well used Nazi time, and quality of Nazi brains, to pull a rocket out of our American Ass, and fly it to the moon and back.

    We couldn’t have done it better even if Trump was calling the shots, and that's sayin' something.
    , @Patricus
    I think they landed on the moon. Too many people throughout The planet had powerful telescopes and could monitor much of the voyage.

    Why didn't we go back? It was a stunt and a boondoggle. There is nothing valuable to bring back and one has to bring all life preserving items including atmosphere to breath, food, water and fuel. It made as much sense as digging a 500 mile hole in the earth's crust, or building settlements 5 miles beneath the ocean. These thing can conceivably be done, at staggering expense, but there is no profit in it.

    By all means let Chinese, Indians, Iranians and North Koreans spend hundreds of billions to plant a flag on the moon.

    We are designed for life on earth, like it or not. When crossing the oceans sailors were able to harvest fish and breath the air. Upon arrival there was plentiful food and water. In space people are constantly bombarded with radiation. Bone mass depletes. Eye balls flatten. Men and women become sterile. Lots to overcome out there and distances are enormous. No one could live long enough to visit another solar system.
  26. With Tiffany Haddish, Sandra Oh, Laverne Cox, and Tig Notaro as Mission Control workers.

    And Sam Rockwell as a racist/sexist/homophobe/transphobe who doubts their abilities.

  27. Some guy on the internet says this lady is smart and she did something to put a shaved monkey on the moon.

    I say she’s got nice legs and she’s from Indiana, so she can’t be all bad.

    This guy could be virtue signaling with this “damn smart” comment.

    Indiana is like Alabama except it has less of those people Raj Chetty won’t mention and it has proportionally more Krauts than Alabama.

    This lady’s name is Hamilton; could trigger another Hamilton blog post from Sailer.

  28. Actually, its not all that different from what actually happened. The moon landings were real, but the stated intent of opening a new frontier was not real. If it weren’t for lobbyists and genuine enthusiasm among the US public, the entire space effort would have stopped right there.

    Instead, we got a low cost continuance of the space program as pork barrel and showbiz, while the capital that might have let humanity use the inner Solar system for resources was diverted to supporting cities that had lost their economic base.

    Well, we did get some spectacular pictures, and there were some commercially important discoveries made (ice at the South Pole of earth’s moon, for example). Materials science and of course electronics/computers have improved. That will help the current Second Space Age [1], but it was a missed opportunity that’s costing us dear.

    In the meantime:

    Counterinsurgency

    1] R. A. Heinlein’s “future history” series included an abandonment of space travel as the Earth’s political situation became worse (Europe ended up dead in this scenario, fighting with Asia, but the US survived inadvertantly by becoming strongly isolationist, thus showing that God loves drunks and the USA). With a few names changed around that’s still a possible future, the way things look now.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Pericles

    R. A. Heinlein’s “future history” series included an abandonment of space travel as the Earth’s political situation became worse

     

    I estimate we're in the early Crazy Years right now.
  29. If only this report were satire I could smile – but as things are nowadays……

  30. @Harry Baldwin
    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I've had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    My calculations put it at 88%.

  31. @Harry Baldwin
    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I've had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I’ve had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    I can’t see all the Apollo missions being fake, therefore why would any of them be fake.

    The Russians monitored them ever inch of the way, were they in on it as well? Nah.

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @anonymous coward

    The Russians monitored them ever inch of the way, were they in on it as well? Nah.
     
    The Russians didn't monitor, and couldn't. There are physical and engineering reasons why it was impossible.
  32. @Harry Baldwin
    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I've had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    I say it’s 50/50 whether we actually went. If we have gone, likely only a few of the of the expeditions were legit. And the more time passes where neither we nor any other major power venture back up there, the more suspect the whole thing is. One of my great uncles worked at NASA in an upper level engineering position and told my father back in the 90s that the government had a file on all his close friends and relatives, including their children. Would not elaborate further. Also I’ve met some very smart people (husband’s family members with advanced degrees in science/engineering) who don’t believe it happened. The Van Allen belt is a big point of contention.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    One of my great uncles worked at NASA in an upper level engineering position and told my father back in the 90s that the government had a file on all his close friends and relatives, including their children. Would not elaborate further.
     
    Maybe he was just a paranoid.

    Also I’ve met some very smart people (husband’s family members with advanced degrees in science/engineering) who don’t believe it happened.
     
    A lot of smart people none-the-less believe stupid things. A lot of supposedly smart people aren't all that smart.

    The Van Allen belt is a big point of contention.
     
    Only among people who know nothing about it.
  33. So all 160 or so spaceships, the Voyagers, the Discoveries, etc., didn’t happen. So the Russian space expeditions didn’t happen. So there are no satellites in orbit, even though you can see them. So there is no space station. So China is in on the 50 year long hoax, because China just landed a capsule on the moon. Sorry, you’re going to have to muster more proof than the analysis of a few pictures and a lot of whining.

  34. To be fair, Apollo missions 11, 12, and 13 were legit though 13 never reached the moon surface due to a technical error caused by the mission being numbered 13. The rest of the Apollo missions were indeed fabrications filmed by Stanley Kubrick in clandestine film studios outside Las Vegas. This hoax was exposed by Sean Connery in Diamonds are Forever (1971). The real reason for Kubrick’s employment by NASA was Howard Hughes. Hughes, set up in a secret base near the Sea of Tranquility by the Mormons, called off the moon missions because the activity disturbed his continuous viewings of Ice Station Zebra (1968).

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Thank you for all this background information. It makes everything a lot clearer.
  35. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I've had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    How could we have without the diversity and shit ?

  36. Steve…off topic…

    About the unsealing of John Tanton’s papers at the University of Michigan…..Two PAKISTANI MUZZIE “AMERICANS” Immigration Lawyers filed the motion in Court to unseal John Tanton’s Papers…….Hoping to find some REALLY RACISTS WRITINGS in one of those 11 boxes….Speaking for myself, I hope there is some really RACIST STUFF in at least one of those boxes……This would go a long way to push envelope…..something that the Civic Nationalist Cuck DC Beltway Immigration Reform Organizations won’t do….

    Hopefully John Tanton is as least as RACIST as the two MUZZIE Immigration Reform Lawyers who filed the motion to unseal……..This is just about the MUZZIES wanting to nullify completely the Working Class Native Born White Christian American Vote…permanently…….”YOU SEE THAT JOHN TANTON WAS A RACIST!!!…..NOW LETS HAVE A MASSIVE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MUSLIM LEGAL IMMIGRANTS….COMMING TO AMERICA…..TO NULLIFY THE WHITE VOTE….HA…HA!!!!”

  37. OT

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/45bdcd7a-1cb1-4ad1-a3e0-ebc2a05243ac

    ‘I used to be an incel’

    In the darkest corners of the internet, a subculture associated with hating women and mass killings is growing. One man tells how he almost got sucked in.

    The poor chap seems to have a few issues and to have made some poor decisions (he took steroids and they gave him dreadful acne. But there’s a sorta-happy ending, in that he’s found a lady incel.

    The only thing is, he had to put up a youtube video telling the world of his status and how miserable he was (she got in touch). Now that takes more guts than I’ve got.

    The BBC seem to be saying here that all incels hate women and want to be mass killers, which seems a pretty cruel thing to imply about the vast majority of 16 year old males in the UK.

  38. Stanley Kubrick would be rolling over in his grave if this happened. The moon landing was his greatest movie, even greater than Lolita.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Especially as he was fully occupied with 2001 and in the UK at that time.

    Eyes wide shut, indeed.
  39. @Counterinsurgency
    Actually, its not all that different from what actually happened. The moon landings were real, but the stated intent of opening a new frontier was not real. If it weren't for lobbyists and genuine enthusiasm among the US public, the entire space effort would have stopped right there.

    Instead, we got a low cost continuance of the space program as pork barrel and showbiz, while the capital that might have let humanity use the inner Solar system for resources was diverted to supporting cities that had lost their economic base.

    Well, we did get some spectacular pictures, and there were some commercially important discoveries made (ice at the South Pole of earth's moon, for example). Materials science and of course electronics/computers have improved. That will help the current Second Space Age [1], but it was a missed opportunity that's costing us dear.

    In the meantime:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVMXw_y7jyI

    Counterinsurgency

    1] R. A. Heinlein's "future history" series included an abandonment of space travel as the Earth's political situation became worse (Europe ended up dead in this scenario, fighting with Asia, but the US survived inadvertantly by becoming strongly isolationist, thus showing that God loves drunks and the USA). With a few names changed around that's still a possible future, the way things look now.

    R. A. Heinlein’s “future history” series included an abandonment of space travel as the Earth’s political situation became worse

    I estimate we’re in the early Crazy Years right now.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    I estimate we’re in the early Crazy Years right now.
     
    My guess would be the immediately pre-"Nehemiah Scudder" era, just after the "Crazy Years'. Sucders's era is the sort of rigid society that is imposed when nothing seems to be working and people are desperate for safety.

    Heinlein modeled his future society on Western European society starting with Columbus. Scudder would roughly correspond to Cromwell.

    Counterinsurgency
  40. Nell Armstrong, first ___ on the moon.

  41. I’ve followed both the Soviet (nka Russian) & American space programs since the launching of Sputnik 1 back on 4 October 1957. Yes, there is a possibility that what I watched on the evening of 20 July 1969 was in fact a hoax. However, keep in mind there were 4 other moon landings that happened from December, 1969 to December, 1972. What has convinced me though was the Apollo XIII launch in April, 1970. The reason, & some of you remember, is that the mission was aborted due to a malfunction while the lunar module was almost halfway to the moon. The 3 man crew had to actually turn around & head back to earth. This mishap came close to killing the astronauts & ending the Apollo program. (Also, be aware that 3 astronauts were killed in the Apollo I training exercise fire on 27 January 1967 which actually delayed the original lunar landing date by a year) NASA deemed it a successful failure, how’s that for an oxymoron! Whether the remaining moon landings were for scientific purposes or cover-up remains to be seen. Finally, keep in mind that all of this occurred during the Cold War era, 1946-91?. That may have been the impetus for President John F. Kennedy’s thrilling put-a-man-on-the-moon speech, 25 May 1961 at Rice University Stadium, which I remember quite well!

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    I was on the road when Sputnik orbited the earth. The thought struck me at the time this would be more of a world-changing event than the first atomic explosion. I believe I am right.
  42. Steve…off topic again…

    I really hope there some nasty RACIST SHIT in one of those 11 boxes of John Tanton’s at the University of Michigan….you know like something along the lines:SEND ALL THE SOMALI MUSLIMS HOME….DEPORT THEM FROM MINNESOTA..MINNESOTA BELONGS TO MY PEOPLE!!!…….”….The Democratic Party Voting Bloc would go apoplectic….and this would be good……..These MUZZIE Immigration Layers are hoping to find something like this in the hopes of putting FAIR…CIS…AND NUMBERSUSA out of bizness…And we should be happy if they were put out of bizness, for, all three of these Civic Nationalist Cuck Organizations will never ever mention the word “HUWHITE”…..

  43. @Gordo
    How's about Dame Judi takes over from Werner Von Braun as a Jewish lesbian engineering genius designing dildo shaped space rockets to crush the patriarchy.

    And as Buzz brought Episcopal communion with him on Apollo 11, whoever takes the Buzz role could bring an abortion kit for the first lunar abortion? Like in First Man where Neil throws the bracelet, they could throw the foetus into a crater.

    And that tear-jerking moment when they plant the trans flag on the Moon, not a dry eye in the place.

    How’s about Dame Judi takes over from Werner Von Braun as a Jewish lesbian engineering genius designing dildo shaped space rockets to crush the patriarchy

    She’s already busy female-washing the character of Old Deuteronomy in the new, woke “Cats” movie, which is black-washed up, down and sideways.

  44. Not from the Bee, but who could tell?

    New Nigerian space program takes first tentative steps as man climbs on airplane wing just before it takes off. Thank goodness countless thousands of these can-do types are heading to America!

    • LOL: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    That red engine nacelle looks like a Coca-Cola can.

    Advertising hypesters, start your engines...
    , @CCZ
    Forget "Hidden Figures"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8

  45. @SunBakedSuburb
    To be fair, Apollo missions 11, 12, and 13 were legit though 13 never reached the moon surface due to a technical error caused by the mission being numbered 13. The rest of the Apollo missions were indeed fabrications filmed by Stanley Kubrick in clandestine film studios outside Las Vegas. This hoax was exposed by Sean Connery in Diamonds are Forever (1971). The real reason for Kubrick's employment by NASA was Howard Hughes. Hughes, set up in a secret base near the Sea of Tranquility by the Mormons, called off the moon missions because the activity disturbed his continuous viewings of Ice Station Zebra (1968).

    Thank you for all this background information. It makes everything a lot clearer.

  46. ET says:
    @Steve from Detroit
    I used to think it was preposterous to question whether we landed on the moon. However, over the last 20 years my beliefs about our government have changed so much that I would never dismiss such a seemingly ridiculous contention out of hand. I still think it happened and if it's not the greatest single human accomplishment, it's certainly in the top 3. My only nagging doubt is that our government is capable of such treachery, I'm not sure of anything anymore.

    A few years ago I met and spoke with Gene Cernan, the last man to have walked on the moon. He was as humble, pleasant and engaging as anyone I've ever met. I can't reconcile his persona and demeanor with a giant hoax.

    OT, John Tanton passed away:

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/07/18/anti-immigrant-john-tanton-dies/1764377001/

    For anyone who was at the launch of those sat 9’s it’s hard to imagine how that was faked. Also, there’s a reflector on the moon, that one can shine a laser on from earth.

    Also, back in 69, there was no cgi yet. And to be able to fake the time delays and the effects of 1/6th gravity on the slowness of their walking would be a bit difficult to do in real time. If you watch 2001 movie, you will see that they couldn’t fully simulate zero g either.

    And finally, unless that feather was a fake, the Galileo experiment of dropping a feather and a solid object to the ground and seeing the correct acceleration and that they hit the ground at the same time would lead me to believe that it really happened, just as I watched it live on tv back then.

  47. @PseudonymousMe
    We definitely landed on the moon. If you think otherwise, have a look at 2001: A Space Odyssey for contemporary cutting edge SF. Then look at the moon landing footage which even today looks pretty damn authentic and can even now only be challenged on tangential phenomena like the absence of stars (which to me confirms authenticity because of its counter-intuitiveness — a faker would certainly imagine the moon’s sky (which is precisely not a nightsky!) to be sparkling). All the budget in the world could not fix the cinematographic deficit, and if it was a government budget it would have the opposite effect.

    Whoever writes for Babylon Bee has an IQ north of 150.

    …which even today looks pretty damn authentic

    No, it doesn’t. It looks pretty damn fake.

    For one, the color of the moon is wrong; it’s supposed to be brown, not gray.

    See the Chinese rover photos or the photos from Apollo 10 if you don’t believe me.

    • Replies: @Coag
    Apollo 10 and the Chinese rover were hoaxes too though.
  48. @Anonymous
    1%

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    Well, it’s well-established that robots and probes landed on the moon.

    The photo and video footage of the human landings is obviously fake.

    So, yes, we landed on the moon, but no human ever went there.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The photo and video footage of the human landings is obviously fake.
     
    No it is not "obviously fake". It is not "fake" at all.

    And what is "obvious" to you, is anyone's guess.
  49. @Gordo

    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I’ve had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.
     
    I can't see all the Apollo missions being fake, therefore why would any of them be fake.

    The Russians monitored them ever inch of the way, were they in on it as well? Nah.

    The Russians monitored them ever inch of the way, were they in on it as well? Nah.

    The Russians didn’t monitor, and couldn’t. There are physical and engineering reasons why it was impossible.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Not true.
  50. At first I read that as “Bazelon Bee”.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    At first I read that as “Bazelon Bee”.

     

    Yeah, I got Bazelon-on-the-brain too because of Sailer and his blog posts about Bazelon and criminal justice reform that allowed the run amok African types to go bananas. Was this Bazelon a ruling class stooge who wanted to deliberately cause a multi-decade crime wave in order to force tens of millions of Whites to vacate urban areas?

    Why did that bonehead SOB Trumpy go along with this so-called "criminal justice reform" nonsense pushed by Kushner?

    Ron Unz suggested quite strongly that Bazelon was involved in some political shady shenanigans about the disposition of property taken from Japanese internees by the government.

    Bazelon Sisters, Shake It!

    Let's not forget that Ronald Reagan was a politician stooge for the Wasserman Gang out of Chicago.
  51. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Can Rosie O'Donnell direct? She looks the most like Stanley Kubrick.

    Oh, Come on! I know we can all be pretty crass in fun in this forum, and I’m no prude, but here I think we can all agree you are being cruel and taking things way too far.

    You should apologize to Mr. Kubrick’s family.

    • LOL: Bubba
  52. @Gordo
    How's about Dame Judi takes over from Werner Von Braun as a Jewish lesbian engineering genius designing dildo shaped space rockets to crush the patriarchy.

    And as Buzz brought Episcopal communion with him on Apollo 11, whoever takes the Buzz role could bring an abortion kit for the first lunar abortion? Like in First Man where Neil throws the bracelet, they could throw the foetus into a crater.

    And that tear-jerking moment when they plant the trans flag on the Moon, not a dry eye in the place.

    “And as Buzz brought Episcopal communion with him on Apollo 11, whoever takes the Buzz role could bring an abortion kit for the first lunar abortion?”

    Just as one brings the abortion kit another could bring a stack of index cards. These cards could explain, with pictographs and hieroglyphics, how extraterrestrials can claim asylum in the United States.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    I'm sure the new "woke" NASA execs are planning it with a mission similar to Voyager 1's Golden Record.

    Here is what to expect from this mission with NASA's affirmative action policies firmly in place over the past 30 years. The next Democratic president will change the name from NASA to African Cargo Cult.

    http://www.gamingrebellion.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/6a00d834515c6d69e201a511ce28b0970c.jpg
  53. @Pericles

    R. A. Heinlein’s “future history” series included an abandonment of space travel as the Earth’s political situation became worse

     

    I estimate we're in the early Crazy Years right now.

    I estimate we’re in the early Crazy Years right now.

    My guess would be the immediately pre-“Nehemiah Scudder” era, just after the “Crazy Years’. Sucders’s era is the sort of rigid society that is imposed when nothing seems to be working and people are desperate for safety.

    Heinlein modeled his future society on Western European society starting with Columbus. Scudder would roughly correspond to Cromwell.

    Counterinsurgency

  54. @Anon
    The story fails to mention that all the Mission Control staff members will be played by black actors.

    What? No Mexicans?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Mexicans don't exist in Hollywood.
  55. It looks like footage of the mission has leaked!

  56. @Tiny Duck
    1. I actually doubt the moon landing took place. I mean we haven't been back since and we don't really have the technology at the time. It is incocoevable tontuink that a country as oppressive repressive and regressive as the white make Christian suirpremacist USA could has done that. There were no asians or females so I doubt the legitimacy

    2. The Babylon Bee is a perfect example of why conservative white people are bad at comedy

    3. If it were so easy the white folks could do it, one of the several Peoples Democratic Republics of the Congo would have done it years before. Because of vibranium.

  57. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    there is zero chance we went to the moon because neither we nor the russians can do it 50 years later. not only can we not do it we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. it is not a question of money. we have no feasible theoretical plan regardless of budget, full stop.

    hilarious how enraging this obvious fact is to the eternal child boomer.

    moronic child boomers like gregory cochran will jump in and say some irrelevant bullshit like ancient greek math/science was beyond that of 5th century dutchmen or whatever. complete non-sequitur unless greg would like to say a 1969 chevy is more technically advanced than a 2019 tesla.

    we haven’t lost shit; all of the tech is better and we aren’t close *to knowing how to do it*. stop the lies about “not wanting to spend the money.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    there is zero chance we went to the moon because neither we nor the russians can do it 50 years later. not only can we not do it we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. it is not a question of money. we have no feasible theoretical plan regardless of budget, full stop.
     
    It is not a question of not knowing how to do it. We know how to do it. It could be done for a comparable investment to what was spent on it in the 1960s. Nobody who has the money to pay for it wants to do it because there is no tangible reason for doing so.
    , @gcochran
    My uncle was the CFO for Boeing Aerospace: earlier ran the Michoud plant for a while,where they built the first stage of the Saturn V.

    There's not much to the Moon landing, technically: get a big enough rocket, have the third stage push the capsule into a lunar orbit. Landing and returning to lunar orbit is easy with 1/6th gravity.

    Hardest part was the hydrogen-oxygen second stage. Very nice specific impulse, but tricky to work with.
    , @Anonymous
    "we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. "

    I am extremely close to beginning to think up a way to do it, and closer every day.

    I cannot reveal my plans yet. Stay tuned. Adjust your tinfoil hat if you lose my signal.
    That is all for now.
  58. I always liked the joke that Kubrick did indeed stage the moon landings — but he was such a stickler for detail that he insisted on shooting them on location.

  59. @Neoconned
    https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/influencers-and-agencies-react-to-instagram-hiding-likes-count/11322832

    Ok I've seen this term tossed around for a few years now.....wtf exactly is "an influencer"....?

    Serious question, anybody know?

    As best I can figure, its a term being coined to mean one of the persons who become famous via Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, Youtube, or whatever other such pointless platform is being invented just now.

    The person may or may not be a celebrity via other media in his own right.

    An example might be any of the Kardashian monsters, or that Pham lady – the Oriental girl who teaches females how to trick males into thinking they (the females) are attractive when they are not by using gobs of cosmetics. The other Oriental lady that Steve mentioned once, the one whose brilliant insight is that people should get rid of stuff they never use, and stop acquiring it, also comes to mind.

    There’s a guy who makes videos on YouTube calling himself “PewdiePie,” too. I think he likes video games. Jojo Siwa, the freakish eighteen-year-old (going on nine) with the bows that make it look as if someone is always waterskiing and using her hair as a tow-rope? Yeah, I think she is one.

    Influencers, so called because they ostensibly…well…influence people (to buy stuff, watch media, etc. – it’s only of interest to The Man if it makes him more money off the cattle after all) are Instagram whores, obnoxious personalities with YouTube channels, and so on.

    I don’t know whether Steve Sailer, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson, Captain Capitalism, the Black Pigeon, Titiana McGrath, and such are to be considered influencers in this context, because they are probably not vapid enough.

    Being vapid yet inordinately popular is important to be considered an influencer by The Man. It’s a title tantamount to the equally meaningless “thought leader” used by corporate jackasses.

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    I don’t know whether Steve Sailer, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson, Captain Capitalism, the Black Pigeon, Titiana McGrath, and such are to be considered influencers in this context, because they are probably not vapid enough.

     

    The influencing seems to work well enough for many of them to be demonetized, banned, etc.
    , @Orrestco

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.
     
    Wow. Just like people who say race isn’t simply a social construct!

    If we ignore the idea of race as an extended family of inbreeding concentrated by demographic location, with accompanying traits specific to the environment in that location, it just can’t be!

    I like science that pleases me!

    Thanks, Seriously Retarded Logic Dude!
  60. @PseudonymousMe
    We definitely landed on the moon. If you think otherwise, have a look at 2001: A Space Odyssey for contemporary cutting edge SF. Then look at the moon landing footage which even today looks pretty damn authentic and can even now only be challenged on tangential phenomena like the absence of stars (which to me confirms authenticity because of its counter-intuitiveness — a faker would certainly imagine the moon’s sky (which is precisely not a nightsky!) to be sparkling). All the budget in the world could not fix the cinematographic deficit, and if it was a government budget it would have the opposite effect.

    Whoever writes for Babylon Bee has an IQ north of 150.

    I saw 2001 in a theater last year – its special effects are flawless. Only two elements don’t match the reality:

    1) The earth as seen from the moon is paler than in reality (this effect was done before there were photos of earth from space).

    2) 1/6th gravity isn’t portrayed. In fairness, this must be an incredibly difficult effect, and it’s one last year’s First Man didn’t show either.

  61. @peterike
    Not from the Bee, but who could tell?

    New Nigerian space program takes first tentative steps as man climbs on airplane wing just before it takes off. Thank goodness countless thousands of these can-do types are heading to America!

    https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1152199502159405056

    That red engine nacelle looks like a Coca-Cola can.

    Advertising hypesters, start your engines…

  62. @Jake
    The Michael Collins character should be played by RuPaul.

    Michael Collins should be played by Liam Neeson, just so he can say he played both Michael Collins.

    By the way, there’s also a cocktail called a Michael Collins: it’s one shot and you hit the road.

  63. @Anonymous
    1%

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    It’s clear you have no idea how defense contracting works the way it does and why it even takes decades to get a new pistol. It’s about $$$$ and nothing else.

    The Moon landings could not be duplicated after the last Apollo mission because there was no budget and most of the sub-contractor workers(where are the engineering know-how was) was let go. Also NASA’s culture was changing for the worse and never got regained it’s reputation it had during the Apollo years.

    The massive wave of Aerospace mergers during the 90’s basically destroyed our institutional knowledge for space travel.

    • Agree: El Dato, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    It is remarkable how many people there today, whose knowledge of science, technology, and even human society, seems to be informed by comic books. The World is like an Avengers movie to them.
    , @Redneck farmer
    You can't bother them with facts.
    , @Alfa158
    Rod; you are arguing with people who hold what is called an unfalsifiable hypothesis, so it is a waste of time arguing with them. Any contradictory evidence you present that the landings were real or that the earth is round, or airliners were flown into the WTC must by definition be faked.

    More importantly, why rain on their parade? If you wonder why there are so many people spinning these ideas, the answer is really simpler than you think. Because it’s fun. It is enjoyable to pore over myriad books, articles, blog posts photos, videos, etc. looking for holes in the official narrative, then spinning theories and debating them with all your friends. In addition you end up with the satisfaction of thinking you are a special person who has knowledge denied to the “sheeple”.

    There is little enough satisfaction in life that we should go around raining on people’s parade and telling them their hobby is stupid. I have my own hobbies, I enjoy them and would be annoyed by anyone telling me my hobbies are stupid.

    These sorts of conspiracy theories don’t change reality, and they won’t stop Musk or the Chinese from returning to the moon if it suits them. It just means that the theorists will gleefully jump on those landings and have great fun “proving” those were faked as well.

    Debating them isn’t going to get them to give it up and take up fly-tying or bird watching instead. They’re having a good time, so let them.

  64. @The Alarmist
    OK. One of the early conspiracy theory pieces of hoax evidence was that you could not see stars in the black space in moon photos. There are plausible reasons for that; nevertheless, I recently saw a photo that seemingly had stars. Makes one wonder.

    The stuff they show on TV to honor the anniversary of the alleged moon landing is hilarious.

    It could be picked apart by a moderately intelligent elementary school class.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    it could have only worked on boomer children.


    you couldn't get away with that shit today which is why they don't even try.
  65. @Reg Cæsar
    At first I read that as "Bazelon Bee".

    At first I read that as “Bazelon Bee”.

    Yeah, I got Bazelon-on-the-brain too because of Sailer and his blog posts about Bazelon and criminal justice reform that allowed the run amok African types to go bananas. Was this Bazelon a ruling class stooge who wanted to deliberately cause a multi-decade crime wave in order to force tens of millions of Whites to vacate urban areas?

    Why did that bonehead SOB Trumpy go along with this so-called “criminal justice reform” nonsense pushed by Kushner?

    Ron Unz suggested quite strongly that Bazelon was involved in some political shady shenanigans about the disposition of property taken from Japanese internees by the government.

    Bazelon Sisters, Shake It!

    Let’s not forget that Ronald Reagan was a politician stooge for the Wasserman Gang out of Chicago.

  66. Hey, Steve!

    You do know that the Babylon Bee is a satirical medium like MAD magazine.

    Don’t you?

  67. @Skyler the Weird
    That New York Times article doesn't mention that there were probably more women Cosmonauts in Space than just Tereshkova but the Soviets never said anything about flights that exploded on the launch pad or women who burned up on reentry.

    The atchives show no such things are there are very good records of the N-1 explodo event which was coyly covered up.

    In short: Bullshit.

    The Chinese however managed to flatten a whole village with a rocket going sideways…

  68. Punchier title, ‘The Equal Has Landed’.

  69. @Anonymous
    1%

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven?

    It only took three years from conception to production of the U2 spy plane. By your logic, I guess, the U2 never actually flew. It was all a hoax.

    Lots of aircraft in the US inventory back then were designed, flown, and put into production within a half-dozen years or less.

    Then lost the transmitted data?

    They didn’t.

    Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    Why would they? For what purpose?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Mr. Anon wrote:

    Lots of aircraft in the US inventory back then were designed, flown, and put into production within a half-dozen years or less.
     
    And now we can't fix some stupid software glitches on the 737.

    Maybe Derb is right ("We are doomed!").
  70. @Anon7
    A conservative Czech physicist, Luboš Motl, wrote this about women in NASA then and now:

    Fifty years ago, there were almost no women in the scientific and technological positions at NASA because lots of women just wouldn't be too useful. But the situation has changed. These days, lots of women are actively harmful. The omnipresence of the likes of [Mary Robinette Kowal, the NYT writer] is a top reason why it seems so hard today to land people on the Moon – although it should be way easier than 50 years ago. Their comments are much more unpleasant and ruining for the working culture ...

    Feminists at NYT, WaPo spit at Moonwalkers
     
    He also references several articles that counter the Soviet propaganda about Valentina Tereshkova, the first actual woman in space:

    The signs of the first serious problems with Tereshkova appeared shortly after Vostok 6 was orbited. When the ship [in orbit] headed west, Tereshkovova did not respond to the urgent calls from the Leningrad interconnector, so a planned radio link could not be established. General Nikolai Kamanin sat at the main control center. He decided to wait for the next [orbital pass], which meant that the new connection could be attempted in less than half an hour.

    "What's happening?" Kamanin called urgently as Vostok 6 approached the radio audibility area. He even repeated his question several times. And as soon as the signal came from the television camera, they saw on the monitors that Tereshkova was asleep. Kamanin ordered the beep to sound. A siren rang in the Vostok 6 cabin. Tereshkova finally heard, her voice very tired.

    "What happened?" Kamanin asked. "Why aren't you answering?"

    "I fell asleep," was the answer. "I'm terribly tired. I fell asleep."

    A detailed investigation later showed that when the first cosmonauts, who were military fighter pilots, were in orbit, their work performance fell to 40 to 50 percent of normal, but it was less than 15 percent for Valentina Tereshkova!

    Zdroj: https://www.idnes.cz/technet/vesmir/valentina-tereskovova.A130614_123928_tec_vesmir_kuz

    Right after the start, she almost cut off her head - the first woman in space
     

    It’s Lubos. An washed-out and bitter ex string physicist now specializing in Internet unpleastness and genereal misogyny. Could do something useful if he toned down his stridency.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    Like proofreading, for instance.
  71. @S. Anonyia
    I say it’s 50/50 whether we actually went. If we have gone, likely only a few of the of the expeditions were legit. And the more time passes where neither we nor any other major power venture back up there, the more suspect the whole thing is. One of my great uncles worked at NASA in an upper level engineering position and told my father back in the 90s that the government had a file on all his close friends and relatives, including their children. Would not elaborate further. Also I’ve met some very smart people (husband’s family members with advanced degrees in science/engineering) who don’t believe it happened. The Van Allen belt is a big point of contention.

    One of my great uncles worked at NASA in an upper level engineering position and told my father back in the 90s that the government had a file on all his close friends and relatives, including their children. Would not elaborate further.

    Maybe he was just a paranoid.

    Also I’ve met some very smart people (husband’s family members with advanced degrees in science/engineering) who don’t believe it happened.

    A lot of smart people none-the-less believe stupid things. A lot of supposedly smart people aren’t all that smart.

    The Van Allen belt is a big point of contention.

    Only among people who know nothing about it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe he was just a paranoid.
     
    My father applied for a sensitive job with a federal contractor back in the '60s, an employer with aerospace connections.

    Our neighbors-- in more than one community-- later told us that agents of one kind or another came around asking nosy questions about us.

    Your diagnosis of paranoia is correct, just applied to the wrong party.
  72. @flyingtiger
    Stanley Kubrick would be rolling over in his grave if this happened. The moon landing was his greatest movie, even greater than Lolita.

    Especially as he was fully occupied with 2001 and in the UK at that time.

    Eyes wide shut, indeed.

  73. “Houston, we need to talk . . .”

    —————————————

    “Houston, we have a problem . . . ”
    “Apollo, what’s the problem?”
    “Oh, as if you didn’t know! You always do that!”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  74. @anonymous
    there is zero chance we went to the moon because neither we nor the russians can do it 50 years later. not only can we not do it we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. it is not a question of money. we have no feasible theoretical plan regardless of budget, full stop.


    hilarious how enraging this obvious fact is to the eternal child boomer.

    moronic child boomers like gregory cochran will jump in and say some irrelevant bullshit like ancient greek math/science was beyond that of 5th century dutchmen or whatever. complete non-sequitur unless greg would like to say a 1969 chevy is more technically advanced than a 2019 tesla.

    we haven't lost shit; all of the tech is better and we aren't close *to knowing how to do it*. stop the lies about "not wanting to spend the money."

    there is zero chance we went to the moon because neither we nor the russians can do it 50 years later. not only can we not do it we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. it is not a question of money. we have no feasible theoretical plan regardless of budget, full stop.

    It is not a question of not knowing how to do it. We know how to do it. It could be done for a comparable investment to what was spent on it in the 1960s. Nobody who has the money to pay for it wants to do it because there is no tangible reason for doing so.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    You're telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn't LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France....they'd all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn't done. I have a hard time believing they haven't considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon. If the technology isn't that complicated and the investment isn't that crazy of a sum, somebody other than the U.S should be able to do it.
  75. @rod1963
    It's clear you have no idea how defense contracting works the way it does and why it even takes decades to get a new pistol. It's about $$$$ and nothing else.

    The Moon landings could not be duplicated after the last Apollo mission because there was no budget and most of the sub-contractor workers(where are the engineering know-how was) was let go. Also NASA's culture was changing for the worse and never got regained it's reputation it had during the Apollo years.

    The massive wave of Aerospace mergers during the 90's basically destroyed our institutional knowledge for space travel.

    It is remarkable how many people there today, whose knowledge of science, technology, and even human society, seems to be informed by comic books. The World is like an Avengers movie to them.

  76. Not satire, this is real: The upcoming Top Gun sequel has a leather jacket from the first movie, but with the flags of our allies Japan and Taiwan disrespected into meaningless non-flags. You do not have freedom of speech if your speech annoys the Communist Chinese.
    https://postimg.cc/2Ld8zJ7V

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    To me the most curious detail of the new Top Gun trailer was the brief shot of an F-14 at the end.

    Either the movie is set in a year prior to the F-14s retirement, which does not seem likely given the rest of the trailer, Mav steals one from storage in AZ, or the main conflict in the film is with a country eerily similar to Iran.
  77. @El Dato
    It's Lubos. An washed-out and bitter ex string physicist now specializing in Internet unpleastness and genereal misogyny. Could do something useful if he toned down his stridency.

    Like proofreading, for instance.

    • Disagree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    That was meant to be an LOL. Sorry.
  78. OT: The horrible practicing of enlisting child-soldiers in Africa:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/18/military-recruiting-woes-spur-debate-over-enlistme/

    Oh, wait a minute, they’re our child-soldiers? Never mind. Everything’s cool. USA! USA!

  79. @rod1963
    It's clear you have no idea how defense contracting works the way it does and why it even takes decades to get a new pistol. It's about $$$$ and nothing else.

    The Moon landings could not be duplicated after the last Apollo mission because there was no budget and most of the sub-contractor workers(where are the engineering know-how was) was let go. Also NASA's culture was changing for the worse and never got regained it's reputation it had during the Apollo years.

    The massive wave of Aerospace mergers during the 90's basically destroyed our institutional knowledge for space travel.

    You can’t bother them with facts.

  80. @rod1963
    It's clear you have no idea how defense contracting works the way it does and why it even takes decades to get a new pistol. It's about $$$$ and nothing else.

    The Moon landings could not be duplicated after the last Apollo mission because there was no budget and most of the sub-contractor workers(where are the engineering know-how was) was let go. Also NASA's culture was changing for the worse and never got regained it's reputation it had during the Apollo years.

    The massive wave of Aerospace mergers during the 90's basically destroyed our institutional knowledge for space travel.

    Rod; you are arguing with people who hold what is called an unfalsifiable hypothesis, so it is a waste of time arguing with them. Any contradictory evidence you present that the landings were real or that the earth is round, or airliners were flown into the WTC must by definition be faked.

    More importantly, why rain on their parade? If you wonder why there are so many people spinning these ideas, the answer is really simpler than you think. Because it’s fun. It is enjoyable to pore over myriad books, articles, blog posts photos, videos, etc. looking for holes in the official narrative, then spinning theories and debating them with all your friends. In addition you end up with the satisfaction of thinking you are a special person who has knowledge denied to the “sheeple”.

    There is little enough satisfaction in life that we should go around raining on people’s parade and telling them their hobby is stupid. I have my own hobbies, I enjoy them and would be annoyed by anyone telling me my hobbies are stupid.

    These sorts of conspiracy theories don’t change reality, and they won’t stop Musk or the Chinese from returning to the moon if it suits them. It just means that the theorists will gleefully jump on those landings and have great fun “proving” those were faked as well.

    Debating them isn’t going to get them to give it up and take up fly-tying or bird watching instead. They’re having a good time, so let them.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Intelligent people don't waste their time with NASA skepticism. They waste their time with Stratford skepticism.


    http://weeklywire.com/ww/11-10-97/boston_books_1-1.gif
    , @Justvisiting

    they won’t stop Musk or the Chinese from returning to the moon if it suits them.
     
    I am one of those "deniers" and I would be thrilled if Musk, the Chinese or anybody else could land man on the moon.

    I would also be thrilled if they found compelling evidence of the alleged Apollo manned moon landings.

    I would like to be proven wrong--but I will _not_ be intimidated by arguments from authority or name calling.
  81. Where do they do this whining about Apollo missions being too white?

    Everybody I know is just looking back on the times fondly and with wonder, and trying to remember what they were doing at the time.

    You guys make it look like these SJW attacks are ubiquitous and inescapable. Kind of like the Russians Are Coming!!!

    Regular people for the most part don’t know what you’re talking about, or, if they do, they just shrug their shoulders and go, yeah, oh, well, not a whole lot to do with my actual life.

  82. @Achmed E. Newman
    1/6 Earth-gravity does wonders for the bust-line during action shots on the surface.

    OT:

    Diverse (Asian) Teen Beauty Queen stripped of title for insensitive tweets. The offending tweet?

    ” “Did you know the majority of black deaths are caused by other blacks? Fix problems within your own community first before blaming others.”

    Zhu told The News she had posted that tweet in response to social media claims that “all cops are bad cops, all cops were killing blacks,” an explanation she was not able to provide pageant organizers.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/19/u-m-college-republican-loses-beauty-crown-over-insensitive-tweets/1776855001/

    • Replies: @Escher
    How could she think that, enjoying the vibrant and diverse Detroit lifestyle.
    , @snorlax
    Beige Beauty Becky
  83. @Autochthon
    As best I can figure, its a term being coined to mean one of the persons who become famous via Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, Youtube, or whatever other such pointless platform is being invented just now.

    The person may or may not be a celebrity via other media in his own right.

    An example might be any of the Kardashian monsters, or that Pham lady – the Oriental girl who teaches females how to trick males into thinking they (the females) are attractive when they are not by using gobs of cosmetics. The other Oriental lady that Steve mentioned once, the one whose brilliant insight is that people should get rid of stuff they never use, and stop acquiring it, also comes to mind.

    There's a guy who makes videos on YouTube calling himself "PewdiePie," too. I think he likes video games. Jojo Siwa, the freakish eighteen-year-old (going on nine) with the bows that make it look as if someone is always waterskiing and using her hair as a tow-rope? Yeah, I think she is one.

    Influencers, so called because they ostensibly...well...influence people (to buy stuff, watch media, etc. – it's only of interest to The Man if it makes him more money off the cattle after all) are Instagram whores, obnoxious personalities with YouTube channels, and so on.

    I don't know whether Steve Sailer, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson, Captain Capitalism, the Black Pigeon, Titiana McGrath, and such are to be considered influencers in this context, because they are probably not vapid enough.

    Being vapid yet inordinately popular is important to be considered an influencer by The Man. It's a title tantamount to the equally meaningless "thought leader" used by corporate jackasses.

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.

    I don’t know whether Steve Sailer, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson, Captain Capitalism, the Black Pigeon, Titiana McGrath, and such are to be considered influencers in this context, because they are probably not vapid enough.

    The influencing seems to work well enough for many of them to be demonetized, banned, etc.

  84. The most astounding part to me was them taking off with the lunar module, docking with the command module, and of course going back to Earth. But the first parts seem pretty easy to get wrong and you don’t get a lot of do-overs.

  85. @anonymous
    You would think of that, you dirty dog, you.
    It is a titillating idea, though, isn't it?

    It is a titillating idea, though, isn’t it?

    Hey, the place is full of “mares”.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Change the last two letters of Mare Nubium and it will be an homage to all those Black cosmonauts.
  86. @Mr. Anon

    One of my great uncles worked at NASA in an upper level engineering position and told my father back in the 90s that the government had a file on all his close friends and relatives, including their children. Would not elaborate further.
     
    Maybe he was just a paranoid.

    Also I’ve met some very smart people (husband’s family members with advanced degrees in science/engineering) who don’t believe it happened.
     
    A lot of smart people none-the-less believe stupid things. A lot of supposedly smart people aren't all that smart.

    The Van Allen belt is a big point of contention.
     
    Only among people who know nothing about it.

    Maybe he was just a paranoid.

    My father applied for a sensitive job with a federal contractor back in the ’60s, an employer with aerospace connections.

    Our neighbors– in more than one community– later told us that agents of one kind or another came around asking nosy questions about us.

    Your diagnosis of paranoia is correct, just applied to the wrong party.

    • Replies: @JudgeSmails

    Our neighbors– in more than one community– later told us that agents of one kind or another came around asking nosy questions about us.
     
    Efforts to ferret out spies?
    , @Ancient Briton
    Talking to neighbors, etc is SOP for defense contractor employment prospects.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Anyone with a security clearance (and there are such people at NASA and it's contractors) is going to be investigated. That includes federal agents talking to your friends and relatives about you. And they keep files about the people whom they questioned.
  87. I try hard to be reasonable and sound reasonable. In fact, I take some pride in being one of the more reasonable people on the dissident right.

    That said, there is a limit.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @JudgeSmails


    Now you pay the price as America's minority. You don't tell us what to do anymore.
     
    Has this fool looked in a mirror lately?
  88. @Alfa158
    Rod; you are arguing with people who hold what is called an unfalsifiable hypothesis, so it is a waste of time arguing with them. Any contradictory evidence you present that the landings were real or that the earth is round, or airliners were flown into the WTC must by definition be faked.

    More importantly, why rain on their parade? If you wonder why there are so many people spinning these ideas, the answer is really simpler than you think. Because it’s fun. It is enjoyable to pore over myriad books, articles, blog posts photos, videos, etc. looking for holes in the official narrative, then spinning theories and debating them with all your friends. In addition you end up with the satisfaction of thinking you are a special person who has knowledge denied to the “sheeple”.

    There is little enough satisfaction in life that we should go around raining on people’s parade and telling them their hobby is stupid. I have my own hobbies, I enjoy them and would be annoyed by anyone telling me my hobbies are stupid.

    These sorts of conspiracy theories don’t change reality, and they won’t stop Musk or the Chinese from returning to the moon if it suits them. It just means that the theorists will gleefully jump on those landings and have great fun “proving” those were faked as well.

    Debating them isn’t going to get them to give it up and take up fly-tying or bird watching instead. They’re having a good time, so let them.

    Intelligent people don’t waste their time with NASA skepticism. They waste their time with Stratford skepticism.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • LOL: BB753
  89. @Steve from Detroit
    I used to think it was preposterous to question whether we landed on the moon. However, over the last 20 years my beliefs about our government have changed so much that I would never dismiss such a seemingly ridiculous contention out of hand. I still think it happened and if it's not the greatest single human accomplishment, it's certainly in the top 3. My only nagging doubt is that our government is capable of such treachery, I'm not sure of anything anymore.

    A few years ago I met and spoke with Gene Cernan, the last man to have walked on the moon. He was as humble, pleasant and engaging as anyone I've ever met. I can't reconcile his persona and demeanor with a giant hoax.

    OT, John Tanton passed away:

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/07/18/anti-immigrant-john-tanton-dies/1764377001/

    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don’t waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.

    • Replies: @JudgeSmails

    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don’t waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.
     
    Not only would the astronauts have to have maintained the integrity of the conspiracy all these years, consider how many others would be necessary to pull off the hoax. Probably hundreds. Many of these people have since died, and not one death bed confession or any type of documentation or evidence has surfaced. The idea that a conspiracy as vast as would be required to fake multiple moon explorations could be kept secret isn't plausible.

    I don't waste time with the reasonings of the proponents that argue that the Apollo missions were faked. I'm sure many of them address the issue that I've raised with some imaginative explanations.

    How do you keep a secret? Don't tell it to anyone.
    Much less hundreds.
    , @J.Ross
    I don't doubt the moon landing but why would uniformed servicemen and government contracted engineers have a problem with lying to the public?
  90. @anonymous
    there is zero chance we went to the moon because neither we nor the russians can do it 50 years later. not only can we not do it we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. it is not a question of money. we have no feasible theoretical plan regardless of budget, full stop.


    hilarious how enraging this obvious fact is to the eternal child boomer.

    moronic child boomers like gregory cochran will jump in and say some irrelevant bullshit like ancient greek math/science was beyond that of 5th century dutchmen or whatever. complete non-sequitur unless greg would like to say a 1969 chevy is more technically advanced than a 2019 tesla.

    we haven't lost shit; all of the tech is better and we aren't close *to knowing how to do it*. stop the lies about "not wanting to spend the money."

    My uncle was the CFO for Boeing Aerospace: earlier ran the Michoud plant for a while,where they built the first stage of the Saturn V.

    There’s not much to the Moon landing, technically: get a big enough rocket, have the third stage push the capsule into a lunar orbit. Landing and returning to lunar orbit is easy with 1/6th gravity.

    Hardest part was the hydrogen-oxygen second stage. Very nice specific impulse, but tricky to work with.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    gcochran wrote:

    There’s not much to the Moon landing, technically: get a big enough rocket, have the third stage push the capsule into a lunar orbit. Landing and returning to lunar orbit is easy with 1/6th gravity.
     
    Yeah, except you are sitting on top of a controlled explosion. A little thing goes awry, and you're dead.

    Despite being fascinated by the space program, as a second-grader in 1962 I wrote an essay on why I did not want to be an astronaut: basically, I mentioned all the ways you could die.

    I did, as an adult, work in the aerospace industry, on satellite-communication systems. Fascinating work technically, and much safer than being exploded into outer space.
    , @Anonymous
    steve says the problem is the one BILLION dollars it would take.


    did i miss something? or have we given boeing and nasa and tons of other people a lot more than one billion dollars in the last 50 years of never leaving low earth orbit?


    this argument is literally insane. "nobody cares about space, we could do it if we wanted." i might believe that russia doesnt care about space or have the budget or whatever in some alternate universe where russia doesn't have a space program. but in this universe russia apparently *does* care and they have simply repeatedly sent rockets into space for the last 50 years, built space stations, etc. they are the space leader as elon musk will remind people: we have to hitch rides on russian rockets. which we do, in fact.

    in this universe its not possible to argue we just don't "care" or "spend money" on space. we do go to space--just not all the way to the moon.


    if the problem is we've "already done it" then what is russia's problem? surely it's not "they don't care." that country is certainly a piece of shit with budget problems but nonetheless they go out of their way to build rockets to go to space. i'm pretty sure they would love to put a russian flag on the moon since they haven't done it yet. they would make the budgetary sacrifice. i'm not really speculating here since, again, in this universe we know that russia has cared enough to spend a shitload of time and money on its space program over the last 70 years. why not go to the moon once if youre russia and you haven't done it? a billion dollars is not the issue.

  91. @Johnny Paytoilet
    I've followed both the Soviet (nka Russian) & American space programs since the launching of Sputnik 1 back on 4 October 1957. Yes, there is a possibility that what I watched on the evening of 20 July 1969 was in fact a hoax. However, keep in mind there were 4 other moon landings that happened from December, 1969 to December, 1972. What has convinced me though was the Apollo XIII launch in April, 1970. The reason, & some of you remember, is that the mission was aborted due to a malfunction while the lunar module was almost halfway to the moon. The 3 man crew had to actually turn around & head back to earth. This mishap came close to killing the astronauts & ending the Apollo program. (Also, be aware that 3 astronauts were killed in the Apollo I training exercise fire on 27 January 1967 which actually delayed the original lunar landing date by a year) NASA deemed it a successful failure, how's that for an oxymoron! Whether the remaining moon landings were for scientific purposes or cover-up remains to be seen. Finally, keep in mind that all of this occurred during the Cold War era, 1946-91?. That may have been the impetus for President John F. Kennedy's thrilling put-a-man-on-the-moon speech, 25 May 1961 at Rice University Stadium, which I remember quite well!

    I was on the road when Sputnik orbited the earth. The thought struck me at the time this would be more of a world-changing event than the first atomic explosion. I believe I am right.

    • Replies: @donut
    I remember sitting on the stairs in our home in Levitttown wondering if the world was coming to an end from the way the adults were reacting .
    , @Johnny Paytoilet
    I'll agree with you big time on that comment. It was a real shocker for Americans that the USSR was able to accomplish such a feat only 12 years after WW2. Keep in mind, the Soviet Union was still pretty much in ruins at the time. More than likely, the German engineers & physical scientists they "appropriated" at the demise of the Third Reich had a great deal with it. As noted, it did spark my interest in space exploration. One of the best memories I have of the late 50's & early 60's is building & launching model rockets with my dad, who still very much enjoys life in his mid 90's.
  92. OT: Beauty pageant winner kicked out for conservative tweets:

    On Thursday evening, a beauty queen and fan of President Donald Trump was stripped of her title for what she claims is discrimination against her conservative political views.

    Kathy Zhu, also a University of Michigan student, was dismissed as a Miss World America pageant participant when the organization claimed the content of her social media was “offensive, insensitive and inappropriate.”

    The first is an incident that dates back to 2018, in which Zhu went up to a Muslim Student Association booth celebrating World Hijab Day and declined to wear a hijab when prompted. She then tweeted:

    “There is a ‘try a hijab on’ booth at my college campus.
    So you’re telling me that it’s now just a fashion accessory and not a religious thing? Or are you just trying to get women used to being oppressed under Islam?”

    Miss Michigan World America stripped of title over ‘offensive’ social media posts

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    They should have revoked her crown on the basis of her horse teeth, too close eyes, and too long nose. I knew far better looking Asian girls when I was at UofM.

    Also, she's not too bright if she doesn't realize that it's the current year and well-to-do fancy Asians have almost as few Pokémon points as whites.
  93. My brother-in-law sent me a Github link yesterday because he thought I’d be interested in the computer code used for the Apollo moon landing. This is an issue with the original Apollo code, opened by a micro-celebrity tranny who calls himself Coraline Ada; presumably after that children’s book character (?) plus Ada Lovelace. Czech out the comments:

    https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/issues/411

    I know Mr. Sailer likes the idea that trannies are alpha males having a laugh but I’ve seen too many of these beta male, runt trannies to believe that theory applies to these second wave trannies.

  94. OT2: Michigan Muslims told to go back to their own country… by a black employee at Tim Horton’s:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=UOBfARg1rWA

    The black employee was fired.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    OT2: Michigan Muslims told to go back to their own country… by a black employee at Tim Horton’s:

    The black employee was fired.
     
    Perhaps Tim Horton's should go back to their country. And Burger King's.


    https://cottagelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Canada-gets-a-new-flag.jpg


    Oops, I meant Brazil:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/09/tim-hortons-canada-coffee-brand-popularity-downfall
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    This happened because the globalist elite see Islam as the ultimate ideological control mechanism for the masses. Nothing can be allowed to impede the spread of Islam.
  95. anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It is a titillating idea, though, isn’t it?
     
    Hey, the place is full of "mares".


    http://www.starfieldobservatory.com/images/Virtual%20Moon%20full%20Maria.JPG

    Change the last two letters of Mare Nubium and it will be an homage to all those Black cosmonauts.

  96. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    there is zero chance we went to the moon because neither we nor the russians can do it 50 years later. not only can we not do it we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. it is not a question of money. we have no feasible theoretical plan regardless of budget, full stop.


    hilarious how enraging this obvious fact is to the eternal child boomer.

    moronic child boomers like gregory cochran will jump in and say some irrelevant bullshit like ancient greek math/science was beyond that of 5th century dutchmen or whatever. complete non-sequitur unless greg would like to say a 1969 chevy is more technically advanced than a 2019 tesla.

    we haven't lost shit; all of the tech is better and we aren't close *to knowing how to do it*. stop the lies about "not wanting to spend the money."

    “we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. ”

    I am extremely close to beginning to think up a way to do it, and closer every day.

    I cannot reveal my plans yet. Stay tuned. Adjust your tinfoil hat if you lose my signal.
    That is all for now.

  97. … followed by:

    Moon on Moon: Korean Golfing Lesbian on the Moon.

    Moon TransMissions: Transgender suicide bombers blow up the moon because of links to cisgender menstrual cycle.

    • LOL: bruce county
  98. You know, when conservatives start making really good jokes at the expense of liberal democrats, the times they are a-changing.

    Just a reminder: Conservatives are the new counterculture.

    Off topic: Does anyone with any technical knowledge of brain function have any idea why Rachel Maddow generally only speaks out of the right side of her mouth, like Popeye? My understanding is this usually happens following a stroke. She’s been doing it a long time, now. Is it from a stroke, or some other problem? It’s a wildly distracting malady for an audience to endure. Nobody ever mentions it, although she does it every day!

    MSNBC is like the Addams Family. All this weird shit, all these weird people, and nobody mentions it! They act as if everything is fine! A horse-faced lesbian elementary school librarian, prone to crying jags, who talks like Popeye, is the PERFECT fucking choice for a daily news reader!

    If she only spoke French, I could rub one out during the bombing of Iran!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    oops, that was supposed to have been a LOL. Shirley, you can't be serious, Tiberiouss.

    Just to be helpful, I would like you to know there are other options, both in newscasters and in images to rub one out over.

    Instead of "Courage", Mizz Maddow could sign off with "I yam what I yam". Oh, wait, there is no signing off anymore - this crap is on 24/7/365 and sometimes 6.
  99. @South Texas Guy
    Kudos to 'The Babylon Bee' for consistently good work. I though I'd throw up in my mouth a little if I had to sit through another 'news' segment concerning women's, or colored peoples', contributions to the moon landing.
    BTW, the first American woman in space was also (I believe) the first lesbian in space. Why doesn't that get any mention? (She did keep quiet about her personal life, but since her death, you'd think that as agressive as the queer lobby is, they'd be resurrecting her corpse for this.)

    BB also coined a good phrase with “Chronic Racism Delusion” (below).

    https://babylonbee.com/news/progressive-immediately-responds-racism-to-every-image-in-rorschach-test

    • Replies: @bruce county
    That is hilarious and quite disturbing at the same time...
    That these lunatics exist and breathe is frightening.
  100. @Simply Simon
    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don't waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.

    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don’t waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.

    Not only would the astronauts have to have maintained the integrity of the conspiracy all these years, consider how many others would be necessary to pull off the hoax. Probably hundreds. Many of these people have since died, and not one death bed confession or any type of documentation or evidence has surfaced. The idea that a conspiracy as vast as would be required to fake multiple moon explorations could be kept secret isn’t plausible.

    I don’t waste time with the reasonings of the proponents that argue that the Apollo missions were faked. I’m sure many of them address the issue that I’ve raised with some imaginative explanations.

    How do you keep a secret? Don’t tell it to anyone.
    Much less hundreds.

    • Replies: @JudgeSmails
    Moderation fuxation? x2
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Hundreds?! That's just the astronaut crew. If you counted engineers and technicians that would really have known enough details to know whether something untoward was going on, it's be hundreds of thousands!
  101. @Simply Simon
    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don't waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.

    I don’t doubt the moon landing but why would uniformed servicemen and government contracted engineers have a problem with lying to the public?

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    I knew two of the astronauts personally, they were men of integrity and would never have stooped so low as to join in on a hoax or lie to the public. One gave his life for the project atop a Saturn rocket.
  102. Off-topic: “Magic Dirt” spotted in New York Times

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/arts/trump-nationalism-tucker-carlson.html

    She defended President Trump’s vulgar comment last year disparaging immigration from certain countries, to laughter and applause. And she dismissed the idea that immigrants somehow became American simply by living here, which Ms. Wax (borrowing a term used by white nationalists and self-described “race realists”) mocked as the “magic dirt” argument.

    There’s no reason that “people who come here will quickly come to think, live and act just like us.” she said. Immigration policy, she said, should take into account “cultural compatibility.”

    “In effect,” she said, this “means taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer nonwhites.”

    • Replies: @dickson
    Reminds me of a comment made here by a junior high history teacher a while back.

    He said he was giving his student's a lecture about demographics, remarking that by 2030, the majority of American citizen's would be brown.

    From the back of the class a Latino kid said, "ohhh, that ain’t good!"

    The teacher asked him how he could say something like that, since the student was Latino.

    Kid says "because I know my own people."

    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    "Conservative thinkers are trying to bring intellectual coherence to the Trumpian moment under the banner of nationalism. But can it be cleansed of its darker currents?"

    How come no one asks this question about outlets like the New York Times trying to bring "intellectual coherence" to far left ideologies, considering the millions of victims communism produced?
  103. If a bunch of straight white males did something, how do we know they really did it? Since, we all know, nothing came be done without people of color, LGBTQ folk, and women (not the racist Becky’s though).

  104. The remake will feature a Nike swish on the spacesuits, which will show everyone that we can, and did, um, you know, just do it. Um, next you’ll try to, like, tell me that the Elon Musk cave submarine didn’t rescue those kids.

  105. @Anon
    In a less PC world screenwriters would be clammering to option this Babylon Bee story. This would really be funny as a movie if it managed to get made while still ridiculing the female stuff. They could recap the original fake moon landing (would the Stanley Kubrick estate allow his name to be used?), then get a current director to do the all-woman fake moon landing. If they could get a real, famous male director to play himself, that would be perfect. I vote for Ron Howard as the director of the 21st century fake. Elon Musk has to appear as himself in some capacity: Maybe it could be a fake Mars landing with an all woman crew?

    It could be really funny. The lead female astronaut could be some super-woke lesbian like Megan Rapinoe who is psyched to be the first woman on the moon then half way through the film Ron Howard turns up to tell her she’s only going to New Mexico to pretend to go.

  106. @Autochthon
    As best I can figure, its a term being coined to mean one of the persons who become famous via Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, Youtube, or whatever other such pointless platform is being invented just now.

    The person may or may not be a celebrity via other media in his own right.

    An example might be any of the Kardashian monsters, or that Pham lady – the Oriental girl who teaches females how to trick males into thinking they (the females) are attractive when they are not by using gobs of cosmetics. The other Oriental lady that Steve mentioned once, the one whose brilliant insight is that people should get rid of stuff they never use, and stop acquiring it, also comes to mind.

    There's a guy who makes videos on YouTube calling himself "PewdiePie," too. I think he likes video games. Jojo Siwa, the freakish eighteen-year-old (going on nine) with the bows that make it look as if someone is always waterskiing and using her hair as a tow-rope? Yeah, I think she is one.

    Influencers, so called because they ostensibly...well...influence people (to buy stuff, watch media, etc. – it's only of interest to The Man if it makes him more money off the cattle after all) are Instagram whores, obnoxious personalities with YouTube channels, and so on.

    I don't know whether Steve Sailer, Stefan Molyneux, Jordan Peterson, Captain Capitalism, the Black Pigeon, Titiana McGrath, and such are to be considered influencers in this context, because they are probably not vapid enough.

    Being vapid yet inordinately popular is important to be considered an influencer by The Man. It's a title tantamount to the equally meaningless "thought leader" used by corporate jackasses.

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.

    Wow. Just like people who say race isn’t simply a social construct!

    If we ignore the idea of race as an extended family of inbreeding concentrated by demographic location, with accompanying traits specific to the environment in that location, it just can’t be!

    I like science that pleases me!

    Thanks, Seriously Retarded Logic Dude!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    The concept of an "influencer" (something I'd never heard of till Auto's post) is not science, though. I think your allusion of retardation is misplaced.
    , @Autochthon
    I never claimed these idiots do not exist, nor that any one should pretend they do not exist; I enumerated many of them I have personal knowledge of – of course I realise they exist. I merely recommend not paying attention to them because they are vapid. (I also recommend not paying attention to the films of Michael Bay, the books of Danielle Steele, and the music of S Club 7.) You got an argument against my point – the one I actually made? Do you, then, think it's a good idea to follow the hijinks and heed the wisdom of Khloe Kardasian, Whats-Her-Name-Phan, Fold-Your-Clothes-Lady, and PewdiePie? Knock yourself out; maybe it will make you zillionaire in five years or impart to you Zen-like enlightenment whereby everything is illuminated. Let us know when any of that happens, won't you?
  107. @benjaminl
    Off-topic: "Magic Dirt" spotted in New York Times

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/arts/trump-nationalism-tucker-carlson.html

    She defended President Trump’s vulgar comment last year disparaging immigration from certain countries, to laughter and applause. And she dismissed the idea that immigrants somehow became American simply by living here, which Ms. Wax (borrowing a term used by white nationalists and self-described “race realists”) mocked as the “magic dirt” argument.

    There’s no reason that “people who come here will quickly come to think, live and act just like us.” she said. Immigration policy, she said, should take into account “cultural compatibility.”

    “In effect,” she said, this “means taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer nonwhites.”
     

    Reminds me of a comment made here by a junior high history teacher a while back.

    He said he was giving his student’s a lecture about demographics, remarking that by 2030, the majority of American citizen’s would be brown.

    From the back of the class a Latino kid said, “ohhh, that ain’t good!”

    The teacher asked him how he could say something like that, since the student was Latino.

    Kid says “because I know my own people.”

  108. @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe he was just a paranoid.
     
    My father applied for a sensitive job with a federal contractor back in the '60s, an employer with aerospace connections.

    Our neighbors-- in more than one community-- later told us that agents of one kind or another came around asking nosy questions about us.

    Your diagnosis of paranoia is correct, just applied to the wrong party.

    Our neighbors– in more than one community– later told us that agents of one kind or another came around asking nosy questions about us.

    Efforts to ferret out spies?

  109. @Steve in Greensboro
    What? No Mexicans?

    Mexicans don’t exist in Hollywood.

  110. @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe he was just a paranoid.
     
    My father applied for a sensitive job with a federal contractor back in the '60s, an employer with aerospace connections.

    Our neighbors-- in more than one community-- later told us that agents of one kind or another came around asking nosy questions about us.

    Your diagnosis of paranoia is correct, just applied to the wrong party.

    Talking to neighbors, etc is SOP for defense contractor employment prospects.

  111. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: One of Steve’s old ideas is that many of the asylum seekers the US accepts are actually escaping pushback from their old countries for atrocities they committed against fellow citizens.

    This may be the case with Ilhan Omar’s dad.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/ilhan-omars-father-was-top-official-in-genocidal-barre-regime-then-he-changed-his-name-to-sneak-into-the-us-illegally/

  112. @benjaminl
    Off-topic: "Magic Dirt" spotted in New York Times

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/arts/trump-nationalism-tucker-carlson.html

    She defended President Trump’s vulgar comment last year disparaging immigration from certain countries, to laughter and applause. And she dismissed the idea that immigrants somehow became American simply by living here, which Ms. Wax (borrowing a term used by white nationalists and self-described “race realists”) mocked as the “magic dirt” argument.

    There’s no reason that “people who come here will quickly come to think, live and act just like us.” she said. Immigration policy, she said, should take into account “cultural compatibility.”

    “In effect,” she said, this “means taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer nonwhites.”
     

    “Conservative thinkers are trying to bring intellectual coherence to the Trumpian moment under the banner of nationalism. But can it be cleansed of its darker currents?”

    How come no one asks this question about outlets like the New York Times trying to bring “intellectual coherence” to far left ideologies, considering the millions of victims communism produced?

    • Replies: @JudgeSmails


    How come no one asks this question about outlets like the New York Times trying to bring “intellectual coherence” to far left ideologies, considering the millions of victims communism produced?
     
    Tens of millions of victims can be attributed to the communist ideology. The total is frequently estimated to exceed 100 million.
  113. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Can Rosie O'Donnell direct? She looks the most like Stanley Kubrick.

    I thought Rosie O’Donnell was a natch for the Moon Lander,

  114. So they’ll wind up crashing and burning down the set somehow?

  115. @anonymous coward

    ...which even today looks pretty damn authentic
     
    No, it doesn't. It looks pretty damn fake.

    For one, the color of the moon is wrong; it's supposed to be brown, not gray.

    See the Chinese rover photos or the photos from Apollo 10 if you don't believe me.

    Apollo 10 and the Chinese rover were hoaxes too though.

  116. @CCZ
    BB also coined a good phrase with "Chronic Racism Delusion" (below).

    https://babylonbee.com/news/progressive-immediately-responds-racism-to-every-image-in-rorschach-test

    That is hilarious and quite disturbing at the same time…
    That these lunatics exist and breathe is frightening.

  117. @Tiny Duck
    1. I actually doubt the moon landing took place. I mean we haven't been back since and we don't really have the technology at the time. It is incocoevable tontuink that a country as oppressive repressive and regressive as the white make Christian suirpremacist USA could has done that. There were no asians or females so I doubt the legitimacy

    2. The Babylon Bee is a perfect example of why conservative white people are bad at comedy

    It is incocoevable tontuink that a country as oppressive repressive and regressive as the white make Christian suirpremacist USA could has done that. There were no asians or females so I doubt the legitimacy

    Oh, I know! NASA never did anything good back then. But they soon got woke and hired lots of women and minorities, and now we have nuclear rockets making regular trips to our Mars colonies!

  118. Today’s Google Moon Landing 50th Anniversary video doodle shows human figures mostly in abstract, but its retconned Mission Control briefly shows longhaired figures, aka women in 1969 NASA, as 6 out of 17 figures in the shot @ 3:10.

  119. @Anonymous
    1%

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    Uh… the Nazi’s were developing rocket science back in the late thirties. By 1944 or so, they were using their newfangled contraptions to blast to figgy pudding out of the limey’s, with considerable effect.

    In 1945, we picked the best nazi rocket scientists available, and unleashed them into our space program. Thanks to our reputation, we were the post-war first choice amongst discerning Nazi scientists who valued their hides, so we wound up securing the highest quality brains from the group, while the Russians mostly got the slackers. It’s is the primary reason we whipped their asses in “the space race.” Our team was fortified with the biggest nazi-certified brains available, with briefcases chock full of years of rocket R&D, and they did not disappoint.

    So you see, your premise about the claimed short time from R&D to realization is false.

    We had quantity of well used Nazi time, and quality of Nazi brains, to pull a rocket out of our American Ass, and fly it to the moon and back.

    We couldn’t have done it better even if Trump was calling the shots, and that’s sayin’ something.

    • Agree: JudgeSmails
    • Replies: @Gordo

    By 1944 or so, they were using their newfangled contraptions to blast to figgy pudding out of the limey’s, with considerable effect.
     
    Small payload for an enormous outlay on the A4.

    First worry was that it was unstoppable unlike the flying bomb which could be overtaken and shot down by a Gloster Meteor, or even a Hawker Typhoon in a shallow dive.

    Second worry was the only logical reason to splurge production capacity and brains on the A4 was if you had something useful to put on the end of it, which of course they didn't.
  120. @Anonymous
    1%

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?

    I think they landed on the moon. Too many people throughout The planet had powerful telescopes and could monitor much of the voyage.

    Why didn’t we go back? It was a stunt and a boondoggle. There is nothing valuable to bring back and one has to bring all life preserving items including atmosphere to breath, food, water and fuel. It made as much sense as digging a 500 mile hole in the earth’s crust, or building settlements 5 miles beneath the ocean. These thing can conceivably be done, at staggering expense, but there is no profit in it.

    By all means let Chinese, Indians, Iranians and North Koreans spend hundreds of billions to plant a flag on the moon.

    We are designed for life on earth, like it or not. When crossing the oceans sailors were able to harvest fish and breath the air. Upon arrival there was plentiful food and water. In space people are constantly bombarded with radiation. Bone mass depletes. Eye balls flatten. Men and women become sterile. Lots to overcome out there and distances are enormous. No one could live long enough to visit another solar system.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Too many people throughout The planet had powerful telescopes and could monitor much of the voyage.
     
    Not hardly! What's the angle subtended by a 25 ft object (to be generous and allow for an easy calculation ) at 250,000 miles, Patricus? I get 1 in 50,000,000 which, with no trig or calculator, gives me one two hundred and fiftieth of a second of arc. No telescope in the world, or out of the world, can resolve that - even the Hubble has resolving power of < 1/10 of that.
  121. @peterike
    Not from the Bee, but who could tell?

    New Nigerian space program takes first tentative steps as man climbs on airplane wing just before it takes off. Thank goodness countless thousands of these can-do types are heading to America!

    https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1152199502159405056

    Forget “Hidden Figures”

    • Replies: @bruce county
    But there ain't no Coup de Ville hiding at the bottom
    Of a Cracker Jack box..
  122. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    One of my favorite lesbo writers, Katie Herzog of the Seattle Stranger, has a column about golf.

    After a weird detour through Malcolm Gladwell’s theory that golf in California is immoral because of Proposition 13, she starts to warm up to it.

    Mark sent me an e-mail shortly after Mayor Jenny Durkan said she was open to the idea of turning golf courses into housing. “My understanding is that you have a less than positive view of golf,” he wrote. Was I interested in tagging along one day at Jefferson?

    At the Jefferson Golf Course, I exited the bus behind two young black men, who immediately headed for the clubhouse. They were far from the only people of color. There were more white people, to be sure, but the crowd was surprisingly diverse for a sport I’ve always thought of as lily white. The players spanned the ages from young to old, there were a decent number of women, and the cars in the parking lot were overwhelmingly normal.

    Jefferson, however, was different: It’s been open to all people and cheap enough for most to afford from the very beginning. Today, the prices vary depending on the day, but on the morning we played, it cost just $7.50, or about half the cost of seeing a movie. Equipment rentals and golf carts cost extra, and there are discounts for youth, seniors, and members of the military.

    That’s one of the beauties of golf, Mark told me as we searched for his ball in the grass: Unlike most other sports, golfers tend to peak later in life, and while you’re unlikely to see octogenarians shooting hoops, with golf, you can play almost forever.

    Before meeting up with the guys, I’d never touched a golf club before in my life. When my turn was up, Mark walked me through the basics: Aim, swing, and follow through. I lowered my head, focused on the little white ball in front of me, tightened my core, raised my arms, and smashed a wad of grass into oblivion.

    I was terrible. Not as terrible as Mark, but my aim was on par with a drunk toddler aiming for a pinata. And yet, as the three old friends played—doing just as much shit-talking as they did golfing—I started to see the appeal. It was a beautiful summer morning, everyone was in a good mood, and by the time I knocked my last ball into the hole (it took many tries), I was actually starting to enjoy it.

    Now, that doesn’t mean I’m about to go buy clubs and start taking lessons. Besides the fact that I’d rather spend my outside time surrounded by tall trees than short grass, I’d never hear the end of it from my sister. But still, after my morning at Jefferson, I can see why golfers will fight to save these public courses. Without public access, golf really is a sport for the rich.

    In 1997, Seattle voters passed an initiative that bans turning parks into housing—or anything else. Once land has been designated for parks, that’s basically it. Of course, the city council could overturn the law—or voters could pass a new initiative—but until that happens, Jefferson and the other public golf courses are safe.

    While I still know, in my brain, that golf is an inherently wasteful sport and golf courses would be better used for anything else, after my morning with Mark, Preston, and Denzil, my heart says, let these old men, and everyone else, have their sport.

    I don’t know that I’ll ever play golf again—or what the future holds for these public spaces—but when I thanked the guys for letting me join them, this time, I actually meant it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Lesbian Develops Urge to Hit Ball With Stick
    , @Lot
    “In 1997, Seattle voters passed an initiative that bans turning parks into housing”

    When the Santa Monica airport closes in 2028, it will be entirely turned into a park. There was some talk of affordable housing on a small part of it. “Haha no thx” said the People’s Republic.
  123. @South Texas Guy
    Kudos to 'The Babylon Bee' for consistently good work. I though I'd throw up in my mouth a little if I had to sit through another 'news' segment concerning women's, or colored peoples', contributions to the moon landing.
    BTW, the first American woman in space was also (I believe) the first lesbian in space. Why doesn't that get any mention? (She did keep quiet about her personal life, but since her death, you'd think that as agressive as the queer lobby is, they'd be resurrecting her corpse for this.)

    South Texas Guy wrote:

    BTW, the first American woman in space was also (I believe) the first lesbian in space. Why doesn’t that get any mention? (She did keep quiet about her personal life…

    Sally Ride — I actually met her when we were both physics grad students at Stanford.

    The answer to your question, of course, is that she actually had a sense of personal dignity. Just like many other gay folks, but unlike those who manage to get noticed by the PC media.

    Of course, one of the little secrets of American society is that almost no one really cares about the sexual orientation of famous entertainers, artists, scientists, businessmen, or, yes, astronauts, unless and until the person chooses to make it a public issue. People’s public life should be honored and their privacy should be respected.

    That has actually been the American way for longer than most people on the Left realize.

    • Agree: vinteuil
  124. @gcochran
    My uncle was the CFO for Boeing Aerospace: earlier ran the Michoud plant for a while,where they built the first stage of the Saturn V.

    There's not much to the Moon landing, technically: get a big enough rocket, have the third stage push the capsule into a lunar orbit. Landing and returning to lunar orbit is easy with 1/6th gravity.

    Hardest part was the hydrogen-oxygen second stage. Very nice specific impulse, but tricky to work with.

    gcochran wrote:

    There’s not much to the Moon landing, technically: get a big enough rocket, have the third stage push the capsule into a lunar orbit. Landing and returning to lunar orbit is easy with 1/6th gravity.

    Yeah, except you are sitting on top of a controlled explosion. A little thing goes awry, and you’re dead.

    Despite being fascinated by the space program, as a second-grader in 1962 I wrote an essay on why I did not want to be an astronaut: basically, I mentioned all the ways you could die.

    I did, as an adult, work in the aerospace industry, on satellite-communication systems. Fascinating work technically, and much safer than being exploded into outer space.

  125. @Anon
    OT

    One of my favorite lesbo writers, Katie Herzog of the Seattle Stranger, has a column about golf.

    After a weird detour through Malcolm Gladwell's theory that golf in California is immoral because of Proposition 13, she starts to warm up to it.


    Mark sent me an e-mail shortly after Mayor Jenny Durkan said she was open to the idea of turning golf courses into housing. “My understanding is that you have a less than positive view of golf,” he wrote. Was I interested in tagging along one day at Jefferson?

    At the Jefferson Golf Course, I exited the bus behind two young black men, who immediately headed for the clubhouse. They were far from the only people of color. There were more white people, to be sure, but the crowd was surprisingly diverse for a sport I’ve always thought of as lily white. The players spanned the ages from young to old, there were a decent number of women, and the cars in the parking lot were overwhelmingly normal.

    ...

    Jefferson, however, was different: It’s been open to all people and cheap enough for most to afford from the very beginning. Today, the prices vary depending on the day, but on the morning we played, it cost just $7.50, or about half the cost of seeing a movie. Equipment rentals and golf carts cost extra, and there are discounts for youth, seniors, and members of the military.

    ...

    That’s one of the beauties of golf, Mark told me as we searched for his ball in the grass: Unlike most other sports, golfers tend to peak later in life, and while you’re unlikely to see octogenarians shooting hoops, with golf, you can play almost forever.

    Before meeting up with the guys, I’d never touched a golf club before in my life. When my turn was up, Mark walked me through the basics: Aim, swing, and follow through. I lowered my head, focused on the little white ball in front of me, tightened my core, raised my arms, and smashed a wad of grass into oblivion.

    I was terrible. Not as terrible as Mark, but my aim was on par with a drunk toddler aiming for a pinata. And yet, as the three old friends played—doing just as much shit-talking as they did golfing—I started to see the appeal. It was a beautiful summer morning, everyone was in a good mood, and by the time I knocked my last ball into the hole (it took many tries), I was actually starting to enjoy it.

    Now, that doesn’t mean I’m about to go buy clubs and start taking lessons. Besides the fact that I’d rather spend my outside time surrounded by tall trees than short grass, I’d never hear the end of it from my sister. But still, after my morning at Jefferson, I can see why golfers will fight to save these public courses. Without public access, golf really is a sport for the rich.

    ...

    In 1997, Seattle voters passed an initiative that bans turning parks into housing—or anything else. Once land has been designated for parks, that’s basically it. Of course, the city council could overturn the law—or voters could pass a new initiative—but until that happens, Jefferson and the other public golf courses are safe.

    While I still know, in my brain, that golf is an inherently wasteful sport and golf courses would be better used for anything else, after my morning with Mark, Preston, and Denzil, my heart says, let these old men, and everyone else, have their sport.

    I don’t know that I’ll ever play golf again—or what the future holds for these public spaces—but when I thanked the guys for letting me join them, this time, I actually meant it.
     

    Lesbian Develops Urge to Hit Ball With Stick

  126. Someone on Reddit pointed out that Google has removed all references to the USA in the Doodle:

    • Replies: @JudgeSmails

    Someone on Reddit pointed out that Google has removed all references to the USA in the Doodle
     
    I really do hate these fu**ing people.
    , @El Dato
    Oh don't be so triggerable. It's rocket emoticon!

    Be happy that it doesn't come in LBQT colors.

    The counterpoint to this stuff is project pictures of "space elevators" with the US flag prominently displayed someone along the diamond fiber core cable. Ridiculous. If there will ever be "space elevators", nobody will remember what the US even was unless they paid real attention in class.

    https://smd-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/science-pink/s3fs-public/mnt/medialibrary/2000/09/07/ast07sep_1_resources/seg.jpg

    Meanwhile, Alistair Dabbs narrates about Pan Am's fake "ticket to the moon" and has uncovered an excellent article headline from back then from "The Kent Messenger"

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/19/something_for_the_weekend/

    "Far from the nattering females - on the moon"
     
  127. • Replies: @El Dato
    Steve is a Neo-Nazi?

    I hope he drives a Kübelwagen while wearing a historically accurate uniform and endlessly plotting interventions to help Ukraine against its evil Bolshevik invaders. That's where the big money is.

    Taryn Jay: Just started up Twitter again | Recent BU grad | Data analyst/researcher | Research interests: moral psych. & computational social neuroscience | he/him
     
    "Computational social neuroscience" sounds totally legit. Still a bit unsure about economics and "free healthcare" I see:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/vox__humana/status/1152393966777618432
  128. @JudgeSmails

    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don’t waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.
     
    Not only would the astronauts have to have maintained the integrity of the conspiracy all these years, consider how many others would be necessary to pull off the hoax. Probably hundreds. Many of these people have since died, and not one death bed confession or any type of documentation or evidence has surfaced. The idea that a conspiracy as vast as would be required to fake multiple moon explorations could be kept secret isn't plausible.

    I don't waste time with the reasonings of the proponents that argue that the Apollo missions were faked. I'm sure many of them address the issue that I've raised with some imaginative explanations.

    How do you keep a secret? Don't tell it to anyone.
    Much less hundreds.

    Moderation fuxation? x2

  129. @Mr. Anon

    It took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven?
     
    It only took three years from conception to production of the U2 spy plane. By your logic, I guess, the U2 never actually flew. It was all a hoax.

    Lots of aircraft in the US inventory back then were designed, flown, and put into production within a half-dozen years or less.

    Then lost the transmitted data?
     
    They didn't.

    Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?
     
    Why would they? For what purpose?

    Mr. Anon wrote:

    Lots of aircraft in the US inventory back then were designed, flown, and put into production within a half-dozen years or less.

    And now we can’t fix some stupid software glitches on the 737.

    Maybe Derb is right (“We are doomed!”).

    • Replies: @indocon
    There liberal rag Atlantic actually had a pretty informative article for a change on how sophisticated the software for Apollo module was, and how none of the crap today which may have more computational power than it compares with it. The chief developer of software on Apollo module was actually a nice white lady.
  130. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    "Conservative thinkers are trying to bring intellectual coherence to the Trumpian moment under the banner of nationalism. But can it be cleansed of its darker currents?"

    How come no one asks this question about outlets like the New York Times trying to bring "intellectual coherence" to far left ideologies, considering the millions of victims communism produced?

    How come no one asks this question about outlets like the New York Times trying to bring “intellectual coherence” to far left ideologies, considering the millions of victims communism produced?

    Tens of millions of victims can be attributed to the communist ideology. The total is frequently estimated to exceed 100 million.

  131. @PhysicistDave
    Mr. Anon wrote:

    Lots of aircraft in the US inventory back then were designed, flown, and put into production within a half-dozen years or less.
     
    And now we can't fix some stupid software glitches on the 737.

    Maybe Derb is right ("We are doomed!").

    There liberal rag Atlantic actually had a pretty informative article for a change on how sophisticated the software for Apollo module was, and how none of the crap today which may have more computational power than it compares with it. The chief developer of software on Apollo module was actually a nice white lady.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...how sophisticated the software for Apollo module was, and how none of the crap today which may have more computational power than it compares with it.
     
    The entire planet had less computing power in 1950 than a singing greeting card has today. That hardly means we could trust our space program to Hallmark.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dT7bSn03lx0
    , @Anonymous
    A great deal of interest in the Apollo AGC has come up in the last couple of year with lots of people building functional replicas. The Apollo AGC was "programmed" by woven ropes with ferrite cores and so programs were not loadable from outside except by changing the rope core module. It was a stunningly brilliant and very robust machine but good only for a single purpose. It did that purpose very well though.
  132. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Can Rosie O'Donnell direct? She looks the most like Stanley Kubrick.

    • Replies: @fish
    Shit......can’t unsee that!


    ......thanks.
  133. @jim jones
    Someone on Reddit pointed out that Google has removed all references to the USA in the Doodle:

    http://magaimg.net/img/8igv.png

    Someone on Reddit pointed out that Google has removed all references to the USA in the Doodle

    I really do hate these fu**ing people.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    There is something seriously wrong with them at a deep core level.
  134. @Anon
    OT

    One of my favorite lesbo writers, Katie Herzog of the Seattle Stranger, has a column about golf.

    After a weird detour through Malcolm Gladwell's theory that golf in California is immoral because of Proposition 13, she starts to warm up to it.


    Mark sent me an e-mail shortly after Mayor Jenny Durkan said she was open to the idea of turning golf courses into housing. “My understanding is that you have a less than positive view of golf,” he wrote. Was I interested in tagging along one day at Jefferson?

    At the Jefferson Golf Course, I exited the bus behind two young black men, who immediately headed for the clubhouse. They were far from the only people of color. There were more white people, to be sure, but the crowd was surprisingly diverse for a sport I’ve always thought of as lily white. The players spanned the ages from young to old, there were a decent number of women, and the cars in the parking lot were overwhelmingly normal.

    ...

    Jefferson, however, was different: It’s been open to all people and cheap enough for most to afford from the very beginning. Today, the prices vary depending on the day, but on the morning we played, it cost just $7.50, or about half the cost of seeing a movie. Equipment rentals and golf carts cost extra, and there are discounts for youth, seniors, and members of the military.

    ...

    That’s one of the beauties of golf, Mark told me as we searched for his ball in the grass: Unlike most other sports, golfers tend to peak later in life, and while you’re unlikely to see octogenarians shooting hoops, with golf, you can play almost forever.

    Before meeting up with the guys, I’d never touched a golf club before in my life. When my turn was up, Mark walked me through the basics: Aim, swing, and follow through. I lowered my head, focused on the little white ball in front of me, tightened my core, raised my arms, and smashed a wad of grass into oblivion.

    I was terrible. Not as terrible as Mark, but my aim was on par with a drunk toddler aiming for a pinata. And yet, as the three old friends played—doing just as much shit-talking as they did golfing—I started to see the appeal. It was a beautiful summer morning, everyone was in a good mood, and by the time I knocked my last ball into the hole (it took many tries), I was actually starting to enjoy it.

    Now, that doesn’t mean I’m about to go buy clubs and start taking lessons. Besides the fact that I’d rather spend my outside time surrounded by tall trees than short grass, I’d never hear the end of it from my sister. But still, after my morning at Jefferson, I can see why golfers will fight to save these public courses. Without public access, golf really is a sport for the rich.

    ...

    In 1997, Seattle voters passed an initiative that bans turning parks into housing—or anything else. Once land has been designated for parks, that’s basically it. Of course, the city council could overturn the law—or voters could pass a new initiative—but until that happens, Jefferson and the other public golf courses are safe.

    While I still know, in my brain, that golf is an inherently wasteful sport and golf courses would be better used for anything else, after my morning with Mark, Preston, and Denzil, my heart says, let these old men, and everyone else, have their sport.

    I don’t know that I’ll ever play golf again—or what the future holds for these public spaces—but when I thanked the guys for letting me join them, this time, I actually meant it.
     

    “In 1997, Seattle voters passed an initiative that bans turning parks into housing”

    When the Santa Monica airport closes in 2028, it will be entirely turned into a park. There was some talk of affordable housing on a small part of it. “Haha no thx” said the People’s Republic.

  135. I am about 90% certain that we landed on the moon.

    I am a Gen X’er and look at whether we made it to the Moon through a generational lens. The Greatest Generation was calling the shots then, and in the period following World War II but before Vietnam, there seemed to be a valiant zeitgeist in play mostly alien to our cynical and ironic age. The cynicism it would have taken to fake the landings cuts against everything the Greatest Generation believed about itself and America. Faking would have been unthinkable for most of NASA at the time, and for us to believe otherwise is rank psychological projection.

    Occam’s Razor nudges me to the simpler cost/benefit analysis that the moon trips were unsustainable Manhattan Project-sized boondoggles whose military applications during the Cold War were unjustifiable given the costs.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    If it were faked, most of NASA wouldn't have known. People working in mission control may have thought they were working on the real thing. And all the rockets certainly went into space so everyone sees them takeoff and return and that visual would have been enough for many people.

    Also there are cynical people in every generation, you are looking at the Greatest Generation through rose-colored glasses. Plus it was probably easier to execute large scale conspiracies (like the U.S.S Maine, for example) in the past, before advanced computer technology.

    I'm not sure whether it was faked or not. The preponderance of evidence suggests at least some of the landings happened (perhaps not all of them), but as time progresses and no other party goes up there, and NASA is super adamant that "there is NO reason to go back," I definitely wonder.

    My doubts will end immediately if someone goes back up there. Just something awfully strange about our stubborn insistence to not go back for any reason, and China/Russia/Japan/France/UK being unable to send anyone up even though you KNOW they'd love to and have probably explored their options.

  136. @Anon7
    OT2: Michigan Muslims told to go back to their own country... by a black employee at Tim Horton’s:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=UOBfARg1rWA

    The black employee was fired.

    OT2: Michigan Muslims told to go back to their own country… by a black employee at Tim Horton’s:

    The black employee was fired.

    Perhaps Tim Horton’s should go back to their country. And Burger King’s.

    Oops, I meant Brazil:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/09/tim-hortons-canada-coffee-brand-popularity-downfall

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Oh those Canadian values!

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gykg7j/we-finally-know-why-the-angry-tim-hortons-pooper-pooped
  137. @CCZ
    Forget "Hidden Figures"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8

    But there ain’t no Coup de Ville hiding at the bottom
    Of a Cracker Jack box..

  138. @indocon
    There liberal rag Atlantic actually had a pretty informative article for a change on how sophisticated the software for Apollo module was, and how none of the crap today which may have more computational power than it compares with it. The chief developer of software on Apollo module was actually a nice white lady.

    …how sophisticated the software for Apollo module was, and how none of the crap today which may have more computational power than it compares with it.

    The entire planet had less computing power in 1950 than a singing greeting card has today. That hardly means we could trust our space program to Hallmark.

  139. @Lot
    https://www.historyforsale.com/productimages/jpeg/341536.jpg

    Shit……can’t unsee that!

    ……thanks.

  140. @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe he was just a paranoid.
     
    My father applied for a sensitive job with a federal contractor back in the '60s, an employer with aerospace connections.

    Our neighbors-- in more than one community-- later told us that agents of one kind or another came around asking nosy questions about us.

    Your diagnosis of paranoia is correct, just applied to the wrong party.

    Anyone with a security clearance (and there are such people at NASA and it’s contractors) is going to be investigated. That includes federal agents talking to your friends and relatives about you. And they keep files about the people whom they questioned.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    So the guy wasn't paranoid at all.
  141. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    1. I actually doubt the moon landing took place. I mean we haven't been back since and we don't really have the technology at the time. It is incocoevable tontuink that a country as oppressive repressive and regressive as the white make Christian suirpremacist USA could has done that. There were no asians or females so I doubt the legitimacy

    2. The Babylon Bee is a perfect example of why conservative white people are bad at comedy

    1. I actually doubt the moon landing took place.

    I believe that you don’t.

  142. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon
    There liberal rag Atlantic actually had a pretty informative article for a change on how sophisticated the software for Apollo module was, and how none of the crap today which may have more computational power than it compares with it. The chief developer of software on Apollo module was actually a nice white lady.

    A great deal of interest in the Apollo AGC has come up in the last couple of year with lots of people building functional replicas. The Apollo AGC was “programmed” by woven ropes with ferrite cores and so programs were not loadable from outside except by changing the rope core module. It was a stunningly brilliant and very robust machine but good only for a single purpose. It did that purpose very well though.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Here is a whole series of vids (made by a guy from the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, CA) on the restoration of an AGC that was used in an LM flight simulator in Houston:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU
  143. @Mr. Anon
    Anyone with a security clearance (and there are such people at NASA and it's contractors) is going to be investigated. That includes federal agents talking to your friends and relatives about you. And they keep files about the people whom they questioned.

    So the guy wasn’t paranoid at all.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    So the guy wasn’t paranoid at all.
     
    Perhaps not. But the original poster may have misinterpreted what their Uncle told them.
  144. @Paul Jolliffe
    OT:

    Diverse (Asian) Teen Beauty Queen stripped of title for insensitive tweets. The offending tweet?

    " “Did you know the majority of black deaths are caused by other blacks? Fix problems within your own community first before blaming others.”

    Zhu told The News she had posted that tweet in response to social media claims that “all cops are bad cops, all cops were killing blacks,” an explanation she was not able to provide pageant organizers.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/19/u-m-college-republican-loses-beauty-crown-over-insensitive-tweets/1776855001/

    How could she think that, enjoying the vibrant and diverse Detroit lifestyle.

  145. @Anonymous
    A great deal of interest in the Apollo AGC has come up in the last couple of year with lots of people building functional replicas. The Apollo AGC was "programmed" by woven ropes with ferrite cores and so programs were not loadable from outside except by changing the rope core module. It was a stunningly brilliant and very robust machine but good only for a single purpose. It did that purpose very well though.

    Here is a whole series of vids (made by a guy from the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, CA) on the restoration of an AGC that was used in an LM flight simulator in Houston:

  146. @Reg Cæsar
    So the guy wasn't paranoid at all.

    So the guy wasn’t paranoid at all.

    Perhaps not. But the original poster may have misinterpreted what their Uncle told them.

  147. @The Z Blog
    I try hard to be reasonable and sound reasonable. In fact, I take some pride in being one of the more reasonable people on the dissident right.

    That said, there is a limit.

    https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1062877096555376640

    Now you pay the price as America’s minority. You don’t tell us what to do anymore.

    Has this fool looked in a mirror lately?

  148. @J.Ross
    Not satire, this is real: The upcoming Top Gun sequel has a leather jacket from the first movie, but with the flags of our allies Japan and Taiwan disrespected into meaningless non-flags. You do not have freedom of speech if your speech annoys the Communist Chinese.
    https://postimg.cc/2Ld8zJ7V

    To me the most curious detail of the new Top Gun trailer was the brief shot of an F-14 at the end.

    Either the movie is set in a year prior to the F-14s retirement, which does not seem likely given the rest of the trailer, Mav steals one from storage in AZ, or the main conflict in the film is with a country eerily similar to Iran.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Were they fighting Not Lybia in the first one?
  149. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    I some times ask myself how much of the credit for putting a man on the Moon should be given to Germany. While most of the mid-tier engineers who worked on the Apollo Project were native-born Americans, the upper echelon of big-shot rocket sientists were born in Germany. You could hear as much German in the halls of NASA in the 1950’s and 1960’s as English.

    So forget women, black or otherwise. Let’s talk about Germans. Men. *German men* . That is as racially oppressive to minorities as you can possibly get. Hell, many of them were genuine NAZIS, members of the National-socialist party of Germany. Not the fake half-assed neo-nazis of today, but the real deal. Germans. And Male. And Nazis. German male Nazis. Yep, that is the “ultimate” in racially oppressing minorities and making them feel inadequate for their lack of achievements.

  150. @Anon7
    OT: Beauty pageant winner kicked out for conservative tweets:


    On Thursday evening, a beauty queen and fan of President Donald Trump was stripped of her title for what she claims is discrimination against her conservative political views.

    Kathy Zhu, also a University of Michigan student, was dismissed as a Miss World America pageant participant when the organization claimed the content of her social media was "offensive, insensitive and inappropriate."

    The first is an incident that dates back to 2018, in which Zhu went up to a Muslim Student Association booth celebrating World Hijab Day and declined to wear a hijab when prompted. She then tweeted:

    "There is a 'try a hijab on' booth at my college campus.
    So you're telling me that it's now just a fashion accessory and not a religious thing? Or are you just trying to get women used to being oppressed under Islam?"


    Miss Michigan World America stripped of title over 'offensive' social media posts

     

    They should have revoked her crown on the basis of her horse teeth, too close eyes, and too long nose. I knew far better looking Asian girls when I was at UofM.

    Also, she’s not too bright if she doesn’t realize that it’s the current year and well-to-do fancy Asians have almost as few Pokémon points as whites.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    The Sarah Jeongs of the world have tons of points, and moreover they've figured out how to generate more on the fly, sort of like with Bitcoin. Only much, much easier.
  151. @Anon7
    OT2: Michigan Muslims told to go back to their own country... by a black employee at Tim Horton’s:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=UOBfARg1rWA

    The black employee was fired.

    This happened because the globalist elite see Islam as the ultimate ideological control mechanism for the masses. Nothing can be allowed to impede the spread of Islam.

  152. Some guy was so convinced that Apollo 11 was fake that he publicly stalked Aldrin, for years, to get him to admit it.

    Eventually, Aldrin had enough. He punched the guy in the nose.

    I never believed it was all a hoax until Aldrin officially denied it.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    You can generally detect people unable to do any proper engineering whatsoever by checking whether they believe the moon landing was faked.

    There should be a study to see whether "hoax belief" intersects strongly with inability to find China on a map or thinking puking JavaScript onto a webpage is "programming".
    , @Mr. Anon
    That was Bart Sibrel, a guy whose technical expertise in rocketry and space travel consisted in having been a TV cameraman and taxi-driver.
  153. @Major Nelson

    took 36 years from conception to production to build the F 35. You really think we landed and return the man from the moon in seven? Then lost the transmitted data? with no problems in five landings? Then nobody ever went again in 50 years?
     
    Uh... the Nazi's were developing rocket science back in the late thirties. By 1944 or so, they were using their newfangled contraptions to blast to figgy pudding out of the limey's, with considerable effect.

    In 1945, we picked the best nazi rocket scientists available, and unleashed them into our space program. Thanks to our reputation, we were the post-war first choice amongst discerning Nazi scientists who valued their hides, so we wound up securing the highest quality brains from the group, while the Russians mostly got the slackers. It’s is the primary reason we whipped their asses in "the space race." Our team was fortified with the biggest nazi-certified brains available, with briefcases chock full of years of rocket R&D, and they did not disappoint.

    So you see, your premise about the claimed short time from R&D to realization is false.

    We had quantity of well used Nazi time, and quality of Nazi brains, to pull a rocket out of our American Ass, and fly it to the moon and back.

    We couldn’t have done it better even if Trump was calling the shots, and that's sayin' something.

    By 1944 or so, they were using their newfangled contraptions to blast to figgy pudding out of the limey’s, with considerable effect.

    Small payload for an enormous outlay on the A4.

    First worry was that it was unstoppable unlike the flying bomb which could be overtaken and shot down by a Gloster Meteor, or even a Hawker Typhoon in a shallow dive.

    Second worry was the only logical reason to splurge production capacity and brains on the A4 was if you had something useful to put on the end of it, which of course they didn’t.

  154. One of the main reasons why the Moon landing is suspect, is that the putative technology disappeared in the aftermath and was never used again. Perhaps it disappeared because it did not exist in the first place.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe the Babylon Bee is a parody website?
    , @snorlax
    For hundreds of years, Roman sculpture looked like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Statue-Augustus.jpg/512px-Statue-Augustus.jpg

    Then, around A.D. 300, it abruptly starts looking like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg/512px-Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg

    It actually IS a mystery why the Romans lost the ability to produce realistic sculpture, especially because it happened suddenly rather than gradually. But it's safe to assume it had something to do with all the declining and falling they were getting up to at the time.

    Either that or the older sculptures were HOAXES, FAKED by MICHELANGELO.
    , @Mr. Anon

    One of the main reasons why the Moon landing is suspect, is that the putative technology disappeared in the aftermath and was never used again. Perhaps it disappeared because it did not exist in the first place.
     
    It didn't "disappear", nor was it never used again. Tell us - since you purport to know - exactly what technology "disappeared"?
  155. @Ronnie
    One of the main reasons why the Moon landing is suspect, is that the putative technology disappeared in the aftermath and was never used again. Perhaps it disappeared because it did not exist in the first place.

    Or maybe the Babylon Bee is a parody website?

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    I think he realizes that, but the satire is about the moon landings being faked. He's just discussing the subject in general since it was brought up.
  156. @jim jones
    Someone on Reddit pointed out that Google has removed all references to the USA in the Doodle:

    http://magaimg.net/img/8igv.png

    Oh don’t be so triggerable. It’s rocket emoticon!

    Be happy that it doesn’t come in LBQT colors.

    The counterpoint to this stuff is project pictures of “space elevators” with the US flag prominently displayed someone along the diamond fiber core cable. Ridiculous. If there will ever be “space elevators”, nobody will remember what the US even was unless they paid real attention in class.

    Meanwhile, Alistair Dabbs narrates about Pan Am’s fake “ticket to the moon” and has uncovered an excellent article headline from back then from “The Kent Messenger”

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/19/something_for_the_weekend/

    “Far from the nattering females – on the moon”

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Dude, carbon nanotube space elevators are going to like, fix everything.

    Like, totally.

    Reddit told me so.
    , @SaneClownPosse
    It's still a giant phallus.

    Future rockets will resemble a labia with a hooded clitoris.
  157. @Hhh
    https://mobile.twitter.com/vox__humana/status/1150380492929359872

    Steve is a Neo-Nazi?

    I hope he drives a Kübelwagen while wearing a historically accurate uniform and endlessly plotting interventions to help Ukraine against its evil Bolshevik invaders. That’s where the big money is.

    Taryn Jay: Just started up Twitter again | Recent BU grad | Data analyst/researcher | Research interests: moral psych. & computational social neuroscience | he/him

    “Computational social neuroscience” sounds totally legit. Still a bit unsure about economics and “free healthcare” I see:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/vox__humana/status/1152393966777618432

  158. @Abolish_public_education
    Some guy was so convinced that Apollo 11 was fake that he publicly stalked Aldrin, for years, to get him to admit it.

    Eventually, Aldrin had enough. He punched the guy in the nose.

    I never believed it was all a hoax until Aldrin officially denied it.

    You can generally detect people unable to do any proper engineering whatsoever by checking whether they believe the moon landing was faked.

    There should be a study to see whether “hoax belief” intersects strongly with inability to find China on a map or thinking puking JavaScript onto a webpage is “programming”.

  159. @El Dato
    Oh don't be so triggerable. It's rocket emoticon!

    Be happy that it doesn't come in LBQT colors.

    The counterpoint to this stuff is project pictures of "space elevators" with the US flag prominently displayed someone along the diamond fiber core cable. Ridiculous. If there will ever be "space elevators", nobody will remember what the US even was unless they paid real attention in class.

    https://smd-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/science-pink/s3fs-public/mnt/medialibrary/2000/09/07/ast07sep_1_resources/seg.jpg

    Meanwhile, Alistair Dabbs narrates about Pan Am's fake "ticket to the moon" and has uncovered an excellent article headline from back then from "The Kent Messenger"

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/19/something_for_the_weekend/

    "Far from the nattering females - on the moon"
     

    Dude, carbon nanotube space elevators are going to like, fix everything.

    Like, totally.

    Reddit told me so.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That’s the best bet medium term. It’s that or be stuck on Earth with war/glibohomocorp to control the population.

    I’m for space and letting out the throttle on the top end of the species.

  160. Here are photos of the Apollo mission’s training grounds near Flagstaff, Arizona. They used dynamite and nitro to blast out the craters, apparently. There’s a link in this tweet to the site site today on Google Maps:

    https://twitter.com/GiletsJaunesFr/status/1152518635925250049

    https://twitter.com/GiletsJaunesFr/status/1152519466066075648

  161. @Simply Simon
    I was on the road when Sputnik orbited the earth. The thought struck me at the time this would be more of a world-changing event than the first atomic explosion. I believe I am right.

    I remember sitting on the stairs in our home in Levitttown wondering if the world was coming to an end from the way the adults were reacting .

  162. @Tiberiouss
    You know, when conservatives start making really good jokes at the expense of liberal democrats, the times they are a-changing.

    Just a reminder: Conservatives are the new counterculture.

    Off topic: Does anyone with any technical knowledge of brain function have any idea why Rachel Maddow generally only speaks out of the right side of her mouth, like Popeye? My understanding is this usually happens following a stroke. She’s been doing it a long time, now. Is it from a stroke, or some other problem? It’s a wildly distracting malady for an audience to endure. Nobody ever mentions it, although she does it every day!

    MSNBC is like the Addams Family. All this weird shit, all these weird people, and nobody mentions it! They act as if everything is fine! A horse-faced lesbian elementary school librarian, prone to crying jags, who talks like Popeye, is the PERFECT fucking choice for a daily news reader!

    If she only spoke French, I could rub one out during the bombing of Iran!

    oops, that was supposed to have been a LOL. Shirley, you can’t be serious, Tiberiouss.

    Just to be helpful, I would like you to know there are other options, both in newscasters and in images to rub one out over.

    Instead of “Courage”, Mizz Maddow could sign off with “I yam what I yam”. Oh, wait, there is no signing off anymore – this crap is on 24/7/365 and sometimes 6.

  163. @JudgeSmails

    All the Apollo astronauts were test pilots and engineers. There is no conceivable way they could be bought-off to perpetrate such a hoax. Please Mr Sailer, don’t waste any more of your valuable space to publish this nonsense.
     
    Not only would the astronauts have to have maintained the integrity of the conspiracy all these years, consider how many others would be necessary to pull off the hoax. Probably hundreds. Many of these people have since died, and not one death bed confession or any type of documentation or evidence has surfaced. The idea that a conspiracy as vast as would be required to fake multiple moon explorations could be kept secret isn't plausible.

    I don't waste time with the reasonings of the proponents that argue that the Apollo missions were faked. I'm sure many of them address the issue that I've raised with some imaginative explanations.

    How do you keep a secret? Don't tell it to anyone.
    Much less hundreds.

    Hundreds?! That’s just the astronaut crew. If you counted engineers and technicians that would really have known enough details to know whether something untoward was going on, it’s be hundreds of thousands!

  164. @Orrestco

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.
     
    Wow. Just like people who say race isn’t simply a social construct!

    If we ignore the idea of race as an extended family of inbreeding concentrated by demographic location, with accompanying traits specific to the environment in that location, it just can’t be!

    I like science that pleases me!

    Thanks, Seriously Retarded Logic Dude!

    The concept of an “influencer” (something I’d never heard of till Auto’s post) is not science, though. I think your allusion of retardation is misplaced.

  165. @JudgeSmails

    Someone on Reddit pointed out that Google has removed all references to the USA in the Doodle
     
    I really do hate these fu**ing people.

    There is something seriously wrong with them at a deep core level.

  166. @Patricus
    I think they landed on the moon. Too many people throughout The planet had powerful telescopes and could monitor much of the voyage.

    Why didn't we go back? It was a stunt and a boondoggle. There is nothing valuable to bring back and one has to bring all life preserving items including atmosphere to breath, food, water and fuel. It made as much sense as digging a 500 mile hole in the earth's crust, or building settlements 5 miles beneath the ocean. These thing can conceivably be done, at staggering expense, but there is no profit in it.

    By all means let Chinese, Indians, Iranians and North Koreans spend hundreds of billions to plant a flag on the moon.

    We are designed for life on earth, like it or not. When crossing the oceans sailors were able to harvest fish and breath the air. Upon arrival there was plentiful food and water. In space people are constantly bombarded with radiation. Bone mass depletes. Eye balls flatten. Men and women become sterile. Lots to overcome out there and distances are enormous. No one could live long enough to visit another solar system.

    Too many people throughout The planet had powerful telescopes and could monitor much of the voyage.

    Not hardly! What’s the angle subtended by a 25 ft object (to be generous and allow for an easy calculation ) at 250,000 miles, Patricus? I get 1 in 50,000,000 which, with no trig or calculator, gives me one two hundred and fiftieth of a second of arc. No telescope in the world, or out of the world, can resolve that – even the Hubble has resolving power of < 1/10 of that.

  167. @Harry Baldwin
    I used to be 100 percent certain we had landed on the moon. In the last few years, with a growing realization of how corrupt and duplicitous our government really is, I've had to lower my certainty level to about 85 percent.

    At the end of the day all one has is the character of the men involved. It is more than sufficient. Skeptics would do well to reflect on their own failing to reach that standard.

  168. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Dude, carbon nanotube space elevators are going to like, fix everything.

    Like, totally.

    Reddit told me so.

    That’s the best bet medium term. It’s that or be stuck on Earth with war/glibohomocorp to control the population.

    I’m for space and letting out the throttle on the top end of the species.

  169. @Paul Jolliffe
    OT:

    Diverse (Asian) Teen Beauty Queen stripped of title for insensitive tweets. The offending tweet?

    " “Did you know the majority of black deaths are caused by other blacks? Fix problems within your own community first before blaming others.”

    Zhu told The News she had posted that tweet in response to social media claims that “all cops are bad cops, all cops were killing blacks,” an explanation she was not able to provide pageant organizers.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/19/u-m-college-republican-loses-beauty-crown-over-insensitive-tweets/1776855001/

    Beige Beauty Becky

  170. @The Wild Geese Howard
    To me the most curious detail of the new Top Gun trailer was the brief shot of an F-14 at the end.

    Either the movie is set in a year prior to the F-14s retirement, which does not seem likely given the rest of the trailer, Mav steals one from storage in AZ, or the main conflict in the film is with a country eerily similar to Iran.

    Were they fighting Not Lybia in the first one?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    They were supposed to be fighting Russia in the first one....but the Cold War was on so the "Mig-23s" were actually Northrop F-5 Tigers from an Air Force Aggressor squadron that were up against the Grumman-built F-14s.

    Fun fact, Northrop and Grumman eventually merged to form megacorp Northrop-Grumman in 1994.
  171. @Ronnie
    One of the main reasons why the Moon landing is suspect, is that the putative technology disappeared in the aftermath and was never used again. Perhaps it disappeared because it did not exist in the first place.

    For hundreds of years, Roman sculpture looked like this:

    Then, around A.D. 300, it abruptly starts looking like this:

    It actually IS a mystery why the Romans lost the ability to produce realistic sculpture, especially because it happened suddenly rather than gradually. But it’s safe to assume it had something to do with all the declining and falling they were getting up to at the time.

    Either that or the older sculptures were HOAXES, FAKED by MICHELANGELO.

    • Replies: @Gapeseed
    A different style for sure and maybe tastes changed. Or perhaps the tastes changed because the latter picture took less skill, but probably also less money. Maybe there is, in tiny Latin characters, an inscription equivalent to MADE IN CHINA on the base.
    , @Haruto Rat
    You could as well ask who faked Rembrandt's paintings since Picasso looks so much weirder. :)

    Most art is crap, in every age. Some ages do produce works of extraordinary genius, some don't. That's all that there is to it.

    Also, the latter sculpture is not quite 'Roman' art as it was likely made in Constantinople and stolen by Venetians during the Fourth Crusade.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Sculpture rebounded in the West via the churches, or rather, in the churches, via the patrons. That option wasn't available in the Eastern empire. All they had to work with were proto-Picasso icons.
  172. @Mr. Anon

    there is zero chance we went to the moon because neither we nor the russians can do it 50 years later. not only can we not do it we are not CLOSE to even beginning to think up a way to do it. it is not a question of money. we have no feasible theoretical plan regardless of budget, full stop.
     
    It is not a question of not knowing how to do it. We know how to do it. It could be done for a comparable investment to what was spent on it in the 1960s. Nobody who has the money to pay for it wants to do it because there is no tangible reason for doing so.

    You’re telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn’t LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France….they’d all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn’t done. I have a hard time believing they haven’t considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon. If the technology isn’t that complicated and the investment isn’t that crazy of a sum, somebody other than the U.S should be able to do it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You’re telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn’t LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France…
     
    I can't wait for the first samba on a Lua.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_space_program


    http://www.spacetoday.org/images/Rockets/Brazil/BrazilVLSatAlcantara289x533.jpg

    https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Brazil_Agency_Partnerships_web_4.20.15ai1-879x485.jpg


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyOg6Q1oQ3k
    , @Mr. Anon

    You’re telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn’t LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France….they’d all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn’t done. I have a hard time believing they haven’t considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.
     
    The total cost of Apollo was about 150 billion dollars in todays money. I'm not sure if that even includes Gemini, which was an important precursor to the Apollo missions. And it probably doesn't include a lot of other expenses which attended Apollo: The Deep Space Network and construction of the basic infrastructure at the NASA facilities in Houston and at the Cape.

    What would it cost today to send a one-off lunar lander with people on board to the Moon? I'd guess between 10 and 20 billion. Most billionaires don't have those kind of resources. A guy who is a billionaire doesn't have a billion to throw around. Even a centi-billionaire probably doesn't have a billion to throw around, let alone 10. Jeff Bezos probably has the kind of money necessary to mount his own private expedition (at least he did before his divorce) and - here's news for you - he is planning to do that very thing.

    Most of the countries you mentioned don't have the resources to mount a lunar expedition in the way that a government does it, i.e., bloated, and with lots of pork. And if they do, they'd have to justify it to their people and they can't. Why spend that kind of money to be come in second place? Of the nations you mentioned, the only one that might do such a thing is China - and they very well might. They have the national will to do such a thing.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon.
     
    Such as? What are these tangible reasons?
    , @anonymous
    its a fantasy. the level of argument here is so bad.


    "China and Russia just don't FEEL like it!!!!"


    Really? Nixon went six times but China and Russia refuse to go once? They don't care at all? But they REALLY care about low earth orbit, huh? They fucking love that shit and will spend tons of money on their "space right near earth" programs. But space a little further from Earth? Fuck that shit, nobody cares, not a single penny will be spent on something they could definitely do if they wanted!
  173. @snorlax
    For hundreds of years, Roman sculpture looked like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Statue-Augustus.jpg/512px-Statue-Augustus.jpg

    Then, around A.D. 300, it abruptly starts looking like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg/512px-Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg

    It actually IS a mystery why the Romans lost the ability to produce realistic sculpture, especially because it happened suddenly rather than gradually. But it's safe to assume it had something to do with all the declining and falling they were getting up to at the time.

    Either that or the older sculptures were HOAXES, FAKED by MICHELANGELO.

    A different style for sure and maybe tastes changed. Or perhaps the tastes changed because the latter picture took less skill, but probably also less money. Maybe there is, in tiny Latin characters, an inscription equivalent to MADE IN CHINA on the base.

  174. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe the Babylon Bee is a parody website?

    I think he realizes that, but the satire is about the moon landings being faked. He’s just discussing the subject in general since it was brought up.

  175. @Gapeseed
    I am about 90% certain that we landed on the moon.

    I am a Gen X'er and look at whether we made it to the Moon through a generational lens. The Greatest Generation was calling the shots then, and in the period following World War II but before Vietnam, there seemed to be a valiant zeitgeist in play mostly alien to our cynical and ironic age. The cynicism it would have taken to fake the landings cuts against everything the Greatest Generation believed about itself and America. Faking would have been unthinkable for most of NASA at the time, and for us to believe otherwise is rank psychological projection.

    Occam's Razor nudges me to the simpler cost/benefit analysis that the moon trips were unsustainable Manhattan Project-sized boondoggles whose military applications during the Cold War were unjustifiable given the costs.

    If it were faked, most of NASA wouldn’t have known. People working in mission control may have thought they were working on the real thing. And all the rockets certainly went into space so everyone sees them takeoff and return and that visual would have been enough for many people.

    Also there are cynical people in every generation, you are looking at the Greatest Generation through rose-colored glasses. Plus it was probably easier to execute large scale conspiracies (like the U.S.S Maine, for example) in the past, before advanced computer technology.

    I’m not sure whether it was faked or not. The preponderance of evidence suggests at least some of the landings happened (perhaps not all of them), but as time progresses and no other party goes up there, and NASA is super adamant that “there is NO reason to go back,” I definitely wonder.

    My doubts will end immediately if someone goes back up there. Just something awfully strange about our stubborn insistence to not go back for any reason, and China/Russia/Japan/France/UK being unable to send anyone up even though you KNOW they’d love to and have probably explored their options.

    • Replies: @Gapeseed
    The sheer logistics of setting up a fake to fool the people at NASA would have been beyond the logistical and moral capabilities of the powers that be. I say moral because the Greatest Generation was forged in the crucible of World War II and the culture was completely alien to our modern ironic and cynical sensibilities. And think of the downside - all that money obviously siphoned off somewhere, with the resulting embarrassment a fiasco capable of losing the Cold War by itself. This would have been treason. People would have hung from the rafters.

    The simple reasons are usually the best, and the simplest is that it was an unfathomably expensive long shot that paid off in propaganda spades, with lots of downside risk and relatively little upside in going back (or for the Soviets, in coming in second).
  176. @Simply Simon
    I was on the road when Sputnik orbited the earth. The thought struck me at the time this would be more of a world-changing event than the first atomic explosion. I believe I am right.

    I’ll agree with you big time on that comment. It was a real shocker for Americans that the USSR was able to accomplish such a feat only 12 years after WW2. Keep in mind, the Soviet Union was still pretty much in ruins at the time. More than likely, the German engineers & physical scientists they “appropriated” at the demise of the Third Reich had a great deal with it. As noted, it did spark my interest in space exploration. One of the best memories I have of the late 50’s & early 60’s is building & launching model rockets with my dad, who still very much enjoys life in his mid 90’s.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    Kudos to your dad. Those of us over 90 and still enjoying life are a group to be envied, not pitied.
  177. @Corn
    “And as Buzz brought Episcopal communion with him on Apollo 11, whoever takes the Buzz role could bring an abortion kit for the first lunar abortion?”

    Just as one brings the abortion kit another could bring a stack of index cards. These cards could explain, with pictographs and hieroglyphics, how extraterrestrials can claim asylum in the United States.

    I’m sure the new “woke” NASA execs are planning it with a mission similar to Voyager 1’s Golden Record.

    Here is what to expect from this mission with NASA’s affirmative action policies firmly in place over the past 30 years. The next Democratic president will change the name from NASA to African Cargo Cult.

  178. @Orrestco

    Really, the more you ignore any mention of the concept, and avoid taking seriously anyone who takes the concept seriously, the better off you will be, in my opinion.
     
    Wow. Just like people who say race isn’t simply a social construct!

    If we ignore the idea of race as an extended family of inbreeding concentrated by demographic location, with accompanying traits specific to the environment in that location, it just can’t be!

    I like science that pleases me!

    Thanks, Seriously Retarded Logic Dude!

    I never claimed these idiots do not exist, nor that any one should pretend they do not exist; I enumerated many of them I have personal knowledge of – of course I realise they exist. I merely recommend not paying attention to them because they are vapid. (I also recommend not paying attention to the films of Michael Bay, the books of Danielle Steele, and the music of S Club 7.) You got an argument against my point – the one I actually made? Do you, then, think it’s a good idea to follow the hijinks and heed the wisdom of Khloe Kardasian, Whats-Her-Name-Phan, Fold-Your-Clothes-Lady, and PewdiePie? Knock yourself out; maybe it will make you zillionaire in five years or impart to you Zen-like enlightenment whereby everything is illuminated. Let us know when any of that happens, won’t you?

  179. @Reg Cæsar

    OT2: Michigan Muslims told to go back to their own country… by a black employee at Tim Horton’s:

    The black employee was fired.
     
    Perhaps Tim Horton's should go back to their country. And Burger King's.


    https://cottagelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Canada-gets-a-new-flag.jpg


    Oops, I meant Brazil:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/09/tim-hortons-canada-coffee-brand-popularity-downfall
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    I've posted that video here before-- it encapsulates so much.

    O Canada? The new anthem should be Oh, Canada... [sigh]


    https://cdn.insidetimmies.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/BfPIBSYIMAEurub.jpg

  180. @snorlax
    For hundreds of years, Roman sculpture looked like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Statue-Augustus.jpg/512px-Statue-Augustus.jpg

    Then, around A.D. 300, it abruptly starts looking like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg/512px-Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg

    It actually IS a mystery why the Romans lost the ability to produce realistic sculpture, especially because it happened suddenly rather than gradually. But it's safe to assume it had something to do with all the declining and falling they were getting up to at the time.

    Either that or the older sculptures were HOAXES, FAKED by MICHELANGELO.

    You could as well ask who faked Rembrandt’s paintings since Picasso looks so much weirder. 🙂

    Most art is crap, in every age. Some ages do produce works of extraordinary genius, some don’t. That’s all that there is to it.

    Also, the latter sculpture is not quite ‘Roman’ art as it was likely made in Constantinople and stolen by Venetians during the Fourth Crusade.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Most art is crap, in every age.
     
    Sturgeon's law.


    The innovation of the 20th century was intentional crap. Call it the Laxative Age.
  181. @Ronnie
    One of the main reasons why the Moon landing is suspect, is that the putative technology disappeared in the aftermath and was never used again. Perhaps it disappeared because it did not exist in the first place.

    One of the main reasons why the Moon landing is suspect, is that the putative technology disappeared in the aftermath and was never used again. Perhaps it disappeared because it did not exist in the first place.

    It didn’t “disappear”, nor was it never used again. Tell us – since you purport to know – exactly what technology “disappeared”?

  182. @Abolish_public_education
    Some guy was so convinced that Apollo 11 was fake that he publicly stalked Aldrin, for years, to get him to admit it.

    Eventually, Aldrin had enough. He punched the guy in the nose.

    I never believed it was all a hoax until Aldrin officially denied it.

    That was Bart Sibrel, a guy whose technical expertise in rocketry and space travel consisted in having been a TV cameraman and taxi-driver.

  183. @Haruto Rat
    You could as well ask who faked Rembrandt's paintings since Picasso looks so much weirder. :)

    Most art is crap, in every age. Some ages do produce works of extraordinary genius, some don't. That's all that there is to it.

    Also, the latter sculpture is not quite 'Roman' art as it was likely made in Constantinople and stolen by Venetians during the Fourth Crusade.

    Most art is crap, in every age.

    Sturgeon’s law.

    The innovation of the 20th century was intentional crap. Call it the Laxative Age.

  184. @snorlax
    For hundreds of years, Roman sculpture looked like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Statue-Augustus.jpg/512px-Statue-Augustus.jpg

    Then, around A.D. 300, it abruptly starts looking like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg/512px-Venice_%E2%80%93_The_Tetrarchs_03.jpg

    It actually IS a mystery why the Romans lost the ability to produce realistic sculpture, especially because it happened suddenly rather than gradually. But it's safe to assume it had something to do with all the declining and falling they were getting up to at the time.

    Either that or the older sculptures were HOAXES, FAKED by MICHELANGELO.

    Sculpture rebounded in the West via the churches, or rather, in the churches, via the patrons. That option wasn’t available in the Eastern empire. All they had to work with were proto-Picasso icons.

  185. @S. Anonyia
    You're telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn't LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France....they'd all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn't done. I have a hard time believing they haven't considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon. If the technology isn't that complicated and the investment isn't that crazy of a sum, somebody other than the U.S should be able to do it.

    You’re telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn’t LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France…

    I can’t wait for the first samba on a Lua.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_space_program

  186. The US spent around $1 trillion on Vietnam and a quarter that on the moonshot. (In today’s money). If you’re a fan of spacefaring, you could argue that the US could have been on Mars in the 70s if they hadn’t thrown all their money at Vietnam.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The Vietnam War enabled loads of deepstaters to get a year of good cv and then bail into great jobs with top corporations. This is the real reason it continued.
  187. @J.Ross
    Were they fighting Not Lybia in the first one?

    They were supposed to be fighting Russia in the first one….but the Cold War was on so the “Mig-23s” were actually Northrop F-5 Tigers from an Air Force Aggressor squadron that were up against the Grumman-built F-14s.

    Fun fact, Northrop and Grumman eventually merged to form megacorp Northrop-Grumman in 1994.

  188. @S. Anonyia
    You're telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn't LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France....they'd all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn't done. I have a hard time believing they haven't considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon. If the technology isn't that complicated and the investment isn't that crazy of a sum, somebody other than the U.S should be able to do it.

    You’re telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn’t LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France….they’d all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn’t done. I have a hard time believing they haven’t considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.

    The total cost of Apollo was about 150 billion dollars in todays money. I’m not sure if that even includes Gemini, which was an important precursor to the Apollo missions. And it probably doesn’t include a lot of other expenses which attended Apollo: The Deep Space Network and construction of the basic infrastructure at the NASA facilities in Houston and at the Cape.

    What would it cost today to send a one-off lunar lander with people on board to the Moon? I’d guess between 10 and 20 billion. Most billionaires don’t have those kind of resources. A guy who is a billionaire doesn’t have a billion to throw around. Even a centi-billionaire probably doesn’t have a billion to throw around, let alone 10. Jeff Bezos probably has the kind of money necessary to mount his own private expedition (at least he did before his divorce) and – here’s news for you – he is planning to do that very thing.

    Most of the countries you mentioned don’t have the resources to mount a lunar expedition in the way that a government does it, i.e., bloated, and with lots of pork. And if they do, they’d have to justify it to their people and they can’t. Why spend that kind of money to be come in second place? Of the nations you mentioned, the only one that might do such a thing is China – and they very well might. They have the national will to do such a thing.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon.

    Such as? What are these tangible reasons?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    whats the tangible reason for the shitty non-lunar space programs we (including russia, china, france, whomever) have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on over the last 50 years?

    im specifically excluding military goals. im talking about the garbage space exploration pr missions we've been doing this whole time since we last landed on the moon. you know, all that boring shit that's sending people into space but not to the moon.

    HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP SAYING WE WONT SPEND THE MONEY WHEN WE FUCKING DO SPEND THE MONEY?

    it's just insane alternate universe arguments. "sad story, people just don't have the will to go to space." what is anyone talking about? we, russia, china, all spend a ton of fucking time and money to send people to space. every single year since we "last" landed on the moon. tons of government will. but zero leaving low earth orbit.

  189. @Bubba
    Oh those Canadian values!

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gykg7j/we-finally-know-why-the-angry-tim-hortons-pooper-pooped

    I’ve posted that video here before– it encapsulates so much.

    O Canada? The new anthem should be Oh, Canada… [sigh]

    • Replies: @Bubba
    Thanks for reminding me! Sorry to double post one of your earlier videos.

    And great picture of bygone days! Today those 2 girls would slaving away as Starbucks baristas covered in tattoos and grotesque body piercings chained to a $100K+ college debt with useless degrees in African Feminist Gender Queer Art History Studies mindlessly screaming "Si se puede!"

    You've come a long way baby!
  190. Of course, a Jewish female director will replace Kubrick.

  191. @El Dato
    Oh don't be so triggerable. It's rocket emoticon!

    Be happy that it doesn't come in LBQT colors.

    The counterpoint to this stuff is project pictures of "space elevators" with the US flag prominently displayed someone along the diamond fiber core cable. Ridiculous. If there will ever be "space elevators", nobody will remember what the US even was unless they paid real attention in class.

    https://smd-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/science-pink/s3fs-public/mnt/medialibrary/2000/09/07/ast07sep_1_resources/seg.jpg

    Meanwhile, Alistair Dabbs narrates about Pan Am's fake "ticket to the moon" and has uncovered an excellent article headline from back then from "The Kent Messenger"

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/19/something_for_the_weekend/

    "Far from the nattering females - on the moon"
     

    It’s still a giant phallus.

    Future rockets will resemble a labia with a hooded clitoris.

  192. @South Texas Guy
    Kudos to 'The Babylon Bee' for consistently good work. I though I'd throw up in my mouth a little if I had to sit through another 'news' segment concerning women's, or colored peoples', contributions to the moon landing.
    BTW, the first American woman in space was also (I believe) the first lesbian in space. Why doesn't that get any mention? (She did keep quiet about her personal life, but since her death, you'd think that as agressive as the queer lobby is, they'd be resurrecting her corpse for this.)

    She might have been a conservative politically, that would render her sexual correctness moot.

  193. @Alfa158
    Rod; you are arguing with people who hold what is called an unfalsifiable hypothesis, so it is a waste of time arguing with them. Any contradictory evidence you present that the landings were real or that the earth is round, or airliners were flown into the WTC must by definition be faked.

    More importantly, why rain on their parade? If you wonder why there are so many people spinning these ideas, the answer is really simpler than you think. Because it’s fun. It is enjoyable to pore over myriad books, articles, blog posts photos, videos, etc. looking for holes in the official narrative, then spinning theories and debating them with all your friends. In addition you end up with the satisfaction of thinking you are a special person who has knowledge denied to the “sheeple”.

    There is little enough satisfaction in life that we should go around raining on people’s parade and telling them their hobby is stupid. I have my own hobbies, I enjoy them and would be annoyed by anyone telling me my hobbies are stupid.

    These sorts of conspiracy theories don’t change reality, and they won’t stop Musk or the Chinese from returning to the moon if it suits them. It just means that the theorists will gleefully jump on those landings and have great fun “proving” those were faked as well.

    Debating them isn’t going to get them to give it up and take up fly-tying or bird watching instead. They’re having a good time, so let them.

    they won’t stop Musk or the Chinese from returning to the moon if it suits them.

    I am one of those “deniers” and I would be thrilled if Musk, the Chinese or anybody else could land man on the moon.

    I would also be thrilled if they found compelling evidence of the alleged Apollo manned moon landings.

    I would like to be proven wrong–but I will _not_ be intimidated by arguments from authority or name calling.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I would also be thrilled if they found compelling evidence of the alleged Apollo manned moon landings.
     
    Which you would probably instantly deny.

    Look, this is a gas for most of us - just entertainment. As Alfa158 said, we aren't going to change your mind, and in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. You and your idiot opinions don't matter. You are no more influential than muttering bag-ladies.
  194. @Johnny Paytoilet
    I'll agree with you big time on that comment. It was a real shocker for Americans that the USSR was able to accomplish such a feat only 12 years after WW2. Keep in mind, the Soviet Union was still pretty much in ruins at the time. More than likely, the German engineers & physical scientists they "appropriated" at the demise of the Third Reich had a great deal with it. As noted, it did spark my interest in space exploration. One of the best memories I have of the late 50's & early 60's is building & launching model rockets with my dad, who still very much enjoys life in his mid 90's.

    Kudos to your dad. Those of us over 90 and still enjoying life are a group to be envied, not pitied.

  195. @J.Ross
    I don't doubt the moon landing but why would uniformed servicemen and government contracted engineers have a problem with lying to the public?

    I knew two of the astronauts personally, they were men of integrity and would never have stooped so low as to join in on a hoax or lie to the public. One gave his life for the project atop a Saturn rocket.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I'm sure I'm not the first to bring this up but the Soviets had a culture of gratuitous constant lying, but nobody accuses the Soviets of faking their space program. The Mekons song Ghosts of American Astronauts, which doubts the landing but specifically does so in a recognizably classic Soviet-led hard left context ("behind the napalm factory," "it's a nice break from Vietnam," "Nixon sucks a dry martini" -- in other words, the moon landing is just to make you forget that the US is the only country in the world with a naughty foreign policy). The American left aped Soviet propaganda so hard that at the start of WWII they vehemently opposed war with Hitler. This is never brought up in all the Mueller-Russian hoax talk.
  196. @Henry's Cat
    Like proofreading, for instance.

    That was meant to be an LOL. Sorry.

  197. Ann Coulter Retweeted:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    I was thinking Chappaquiddick happened on the exact day of the moon landing, but it was actually the day before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident


    The Chappaquiddick incident was a single-vehicle car accident that occurred on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts early on Saturday, July 19, 1969.[4][5] The late-night accident was caused by Senator Ted Kennedy's negligence and resulted in the death of his 28-year-old passenger Mary Jo Kopechne, who was trapped inside the vehicle.
     
  198. @Justvisiting

    they won’t stop Musk or the Chinese from returning to the moon if it suits them.
     
    I am one of those "deniers" and I would be thrilled if Musk, the Chinese or anybody else could land man on the moon.

    I would also be thrilled if they found compelling evidence of the alleged Apollo manned moon landings.

    I would like to be proven wrong--but I will _not_ be intimidated by arguments from authority or name calling.

    I would also be thrilled if they found compelling evidence of the alleged Apollo manned moon landings.

    Which you would probably instantly deny.

    Look, this is a gas for most of us – just entertainment. As Alfa158 said, we aren’t going to change your mind, and in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter. You and your idiot opinions don’t matter. You are no more influential than muttering bag-ladies.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Can we bring back the bag lady? When I was growing up, bag ladies were everywhere. Conundrum on Hill Street Blues? They ask the bag lady if she saw anything. Insulting a disheveled or stinky female? You told her she looked like a bag lady. And like that.

    Around the time GloboHomo brainwashed all the idiots into calling bums "the homeless," hookers "sex workers," and so on, we lost the bag lady altogether. (Couldn't she at least have been kept on as the bag person?!)

    No, damn it! I won't accept it. I will fight for the resurgence of the bag lady in our culture and our lexicon, with you as my inspiration. She never went away; I see at least five of her every day. Not naming her won't change anything; it hasn't done.

    I acknowledge and appreciate you, bag ladies of the world. Mutter on! (With the occasional cackle with bloody sputum, or even a hiss.)

    They cannot stop the bum rush.

    https://youtu.be/E1fzJ_AYajA
  199. @Reg Cæsar
    I've posted that video here before-- it encapsulates so much.

    O Canada? The new anthem should be Oh, Canada... [sigh]


    https://cdn.insidetimmies.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/BfPIBSYIMAEurub.jpg

    Thanks for reminding me! Sorry to double post one of your earlier videos.

    And great picture of bygone days! Today those 2 girls would slaving away as Starbucks baristas covered in tattoos and grotesque body piercings chained to a $100K+ college debt with useless degrees in African Feminist Gender Queer Art History Studies mindlessly screaming “Si se puede!”

    You’ve come a long way baby!

  200. @MEH 0910
    Ann Coulter Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/AP_Images/status/1151864234910912512

    I was thinking Chappaquiddick happened on the exact day of the moon landing, but it was actually the day before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

    The Chappaquiddick incident was a single-vehicle car accident that occurred on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts early on Saturday, July 19, 1969.[4][5] The late-night accident was caused by Senator Ted Kennedy’s negligence and resulted in the death of his 28-year-old passenger Mary Jo Kopechne, who was trapped inside the vehicle.

  201. Laugh all you want about the hoax moon landing, but I know for a fact that the manned landing on Mars was a fake!!

    (I really should not have to put a /sarc or a LOL here… but there are some people who just _____ (fill in the blank).)

  202. @S. Anonyia
    If it were faked, most of NASA wouldn't have known. People working in mission control may have thought they were working on the real thing. And all the rockets certainly went into space so everyone sees them takeoff and return and that visual would have been enough for many people.

    Also there are cynical people in every generation, you are looking at the Greatest Generation through rose-colored glasses. Plus it was probably easier to execute large scale conspiracies (like the U.S.S Maine, for example) in the past, before advanced computer technology.

    I'm not sure whether it was faked or not. The preponderance of evidence suggests at least some of the landings happened (perhaps not all of them), but as time progresses and no other party goes up there, and NASA is super adamant that "there is NO reason to go back," I definitely wonder.

    My doubts will end immediately if someone goes back up there. Just something awfully strange about our stubborn insistence to not go back for any reason, and China/Russia/Japan/France/UK being unable to send anyone up even though you KNOW they'd love to and have probably explored their options.

    The sheer logistics of setting up a fake to fool the people at NASA would have been beyond the logistical and moral capabilities of the powers that be. I say moral because the Greatest Generation was forged in the crucible of World War II and the culture was completely alien to our modern ironic and cynical sensibilities. And think of the downside – all that money obviously siphoned off somewhere, with the resulting embarrassment a fiasco capable of losing the Cold War by itself. This would have been treason. People would have hung from the rafters.

    The simple reasons are usually the best, and the simplest is that it was an unfathomably expensive long shot that paid off in propaganda spades, with lots of downside risk and relatively little upside in going back (or for the Soviets, in coming in second).

  203. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous coward

    The Russians monitored them ever inch of the way, were they in on it as well? Nah.
     
    The Russians didn't monitor, and couldn't. There are physical and engineering reasons why it was impossible.

    Not true.

  204. @The Wild Geese Howard
    They should have revoked her crown on the basis of her horse teeth, too close eyes, and too long nose. I knew far better looking Asian girls when I was at UofM.

    Also, she's not too bright if she doesn't realize that it's the current year and well-to-do fancy Asians have almost as few Pokémon points as whites.

    The Sarah Jeongs of the world have tons of points, and moreover they’ve figured out how to generate more on the fly, sort of like with Bitcoin. Only much, much easier.

  205. @TelfoedJohn
    The US spent around $1 trillion on Vietnam and a quarter that on the moonshot. (In today’s money). If you’re a fan of spacefaring, you could argue that the US could have been on Mars in the 70s if they hadn’t thrown all their money at Vietnam.

    The Vietnam War enabled loads of deepstaters to get a year of good cv and then bail into great jobs with top corporations. This is the real reason it continued.

  206. @Simply Simon
    I knew two of the astronauts personally, they were men of integrity and would never have stooped so low as to join in on a hoax or lie to the public. One gave his life for the project atop a Saturn rocket.

    I’m sure I’m not the first to bring this up but the Soviets had a culture of gratuitous constant lying, but nobody accuses the Soviets of faking their space program. The Mekons song Ghosts of American Astronauts, which doubts the landing but specifically does so in a recognizably classic Soviet-led hard left context (“behind the napalm factory,” “it’s a nice break from Vietnam,” “Nixon sucks a dry martini” — in other words, the moon landing is just to make you forget that the US is the only country in the world with a naughty foreign policy). The American left aped Soviet propaganda so hard that at the start of WWII they vehemently opposed war with Hitler. This is never brought up in all the Mueller-Russian hoax talk.

  207. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @gcochran
    My uncle was the CFO for Boeing Aerospace: earlier ran the Michoud plant for a while,where they built the first stage of the Saturn V.

    There's not much to the Moon landing, technically: get a big enough rocket, have the third stage push the capsule into a lunar orbit. Landing and returning to lunar orbit is easy with 1/6th gravity.

    Hardest part was the hydrogen-oxygen second stage. Very nice specific impulse, but tricky to work with.

    steve says the problem is the one BILLION dollars it would take.

    did i miss something? or have we given boeing and nasa and tons of other people a lot more than one billion dollars in the last 50 years of never leaving low earth orbit?

    this argument is literally insane. “nobody cares about space, we could do it if we wanted.” i might believe that russia doesnt care about space or have the budget or whatever in some alternate universe where russia doesn’t have a space program. but in this universe russia apparently *does* care and they have simply repeatedly sent rockets into space for the last 50 years, built space stations, etc. they are the space leader as elon musk will remind people: we have to hitch rides on russian rockets. which we do, in fact.

    in this universe its not possible to argue we just don’t “care” or “spend money” on space. we do go to space–just not all the way to the moon.

    if the problem is we’ve “already done it” then what is russia’s problem? surely it’s not “they don’t care.” that country is certainly a piece of shit with budget problems but nonetheless they go out of their way to build rockets to go to space. i’m pretty sure they would love to put a russian flag on the moon since they haven’t done it yet. they would make the budgetary sacrifice. i’m not really speculating here since, again, in this universe we know that russia has cared enough to spend a shitload of time and money on its space program over the last 70 years. why not go to the moon once if youre russia and you haven’t done it? a billion dollars is not the issue.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    The only reason the Russians are still sending manned rockets into space is because WE (the U.S.) are paying them to ferry crews to OUR space station.

    If not for us, Russia wouldn't have a manned space program any longer.
  208. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @S. Anonyia
    You're telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn't LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France....they'd all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn't done. I have a hard time believing they haven't considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon. If the technology isn't that complicated and the investment isn't that crazy of a sum, somebody other than the U.S should be able to do it.

    its a fantasy. the level of argument here is so bad.

    “China and Russia just don’t FEEL like it!!!!”

    Really? Nixon went six times but China and Russia refuse to go once? They don’t care at all? But they REALLY care about low earth orbit, huh? They fucking love that shit and will spend tons of money on their “space right near earth” programs. But space a little further from Earth? Fuck that shit, nobody cares, not a single penny will be spent on something they could definitely do if they wanted!

  209. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You’re telling me that a billionaire or an up-and-coming/fading empire country wouldn’t LOVE to get bragging rights for sending a man to the moon again? Japan, China, the UK, India, Russia, France….they’d all love to project power and send someone to the moon, but yet it isn’t done. I have a hard time believing they haven’t considered it or explored their options over the past couple of decades.
     
    The total cost of Apollo was about 150 billion dollars in todays money. I'm not sure if that even includes Gemini, which was an important precursor to the Apollo missions. And it probably doesn't include a lot of other expenses which attended Apollo: The Deep Space Network and construction of the basic infrastructure at the NASA facilities in Houston and at the Cape.

    What would it cost today to send a one-off lunar lander with people on board to the Moon? I'd guess between 10 and 20 billion. Most billionaires don't have those kind of resources. A guy who is a billionaire doesn't have a billion to throw around. Even a centi-billionaire probably doesn't have a billion to throw around, let alone 10. Jeff Bezos probably has the kind of money necessary to mount his own private expedition (at least he did before his divorce) and - here's news for you - he is planning to do that very thing.

    Most of the countries you mentioned don't have the resources to mount a lunar expedition in the way that a government does it, i.e., bloated, and with lots of pork. And if they do, they'd have to justify it to their people and they can't. Why spend that kind of money to be come in second place? Of the nations you mentioned, the only one that might do such a thing is China - and they very well might. They have the national will to do such a thing.

    There are lots of parties with tangible reasons for going back to the moon.
     
    Such as? What are these tangible reasons?

    whats the tangible reason for the shitty non-lunar space programs we (including russia, china, france, whomever) have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on over the last 50 years?

    im specifically excluding military goals. im talking about the garbage space exploration pr missions we’ve been doing this whole time since we last landed on the moon. you know, all that boring shit that’s sending people into space but not to the moon.

    HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP SAYING WE WONT SPEND THE MONEY WHEN WE FUCKING DO SPEND THE MONEY?

    it’s just insane alternate universe arguments. “sad story, people just don’t have the will to go to space.” what is anyone talking about? we, russia, china, all spend a ton of fucking time and money to send people to space. every single year since we “last” landed on the moon. tons of government will. but zero leaving low earth orbit.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    People like you don't understand anything about the technical aspects of space travel. Once you build the Space Shuttle, you are committed to going to LEO, and nowhere else. The Shuttle's maximum payload was about 30 tons. That would be if you just carried a bulk item, like water. For an actual extended structure, it's about 18 tons. That means you can carry satellites, a Space Lab, or the like, but nothing that can get you to the Moon and back. It's relatively easy to get to LEO. People (mostly) don't die, and the contractors get fed.

    And to take your argument to its logical end, with the amount of money the government spends, we could have every river damned, Interstates to everywhere, a World-Class harbor in every podunk port city, etc. But we don't. We could generate all our electricity with nuclear power. But we don't.

    , @Mr. Anon

    whats the tangible reason for the shitty non-lunar space programs we (including russia, china, france, whomever) have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on over the last 50 years?
     
    One of the tangible reasons for the Space Shuttle program was to subsidize the solid rocket motor business (the same infrastructure required to make tactical missiles) during peacetime.
  210. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Justvisiting
    The stuff they show on TV to honor the anniversary of the alleged moon landing is hilarious.

    It could be picked apart by a moderately intelligent elementary school class.

    it could have only worked on boomer children.

    you couldn’t get away with that shit today which is why they don’t even try.

  211. Why don’t hoaxers realize the “For what purpose?” argument is doing the opposite work of what they think it’s doing?

    The thing is, we DO expend a ton of resources sending people to space. And it’s all a lot more boring and sad than going to the moon. So the actual question is for what purpose are we not doing stuff like going to the moon?

    According to boomer hoaxers like Greg, it’s easy once you build a rocket and go to space. But that’s the thing. We DO spend the energy to build rockets and go to space. If it’s so easy why doesn’t Russia just drop by the moon? They’re already in space! What do you mean they don’t care and there’s no reason? Russians are in space right now! They already spent the money. Why not go to the fucking moon?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Because going to the Moon is a lot harder than going to LEO.
  212. @anonymous2space
    Why don't hoaxers realize the "For what purpose?" argument is doing the opposite work of what they think it's doing?


    The thing is, we DO expend a ton of resources sending people to space. And it's all a lot more boring and sad than going to the moon. So the actual question is for what purpose are we not doing stuff like going to the moon?

    According to boomer hoaxers like Greg, it's easy once you build a rocket and go to space. But that's the thing. We DO spend the energy to build rockets and go to space. If it's so easy why doesn't Russia just drop by the moon? They're already in space! What do you mean they don't care and there's no reason? Russians are in space right now! They already spent the money. Why not go to the fucking moon?

    Because going to the Moon is a lot harder than going to LEO.

  213. @anonymous
    whats the tangible reason for the shitty non-lunar space programs we (including russia, china, france, whomever) have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on over the last 50 years?

    im specifically excluding military goals. im talking about the garbage space exploration pr missions we've been doing this whole time since we last landed on the moon. you know, all that boring shit that's sending people into space but not to the moon.

    HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP SAYING WE WONT SPEND THE MONEY WHEN WE FUCKING DO SPEND THE MONEY?

    it's just insane alternate universe arguments. "sad story, people just don't have the will to go to space." what is anyone talking about? we, russia, china, all spend a ton of fucking time and money to send people to space. every single year since we "last" landed on the moon. tons of government will. but zero leaving low earth orbit.

    People like you don’t understand anything about the technical aspects of space travel. Once you build the Space Shuttle, you are committed to going to LEO, and nowhere else. The Shuttle’s maximum payload was about 30 tons. That would be if you just carried a bulk item, like water. For an actual extended structure, it’s about 18 tons. That means you can carry satellites, a Space Lab, or the like, but nothing that can get you to the Moon and back. It’s relatively easy to get to LEO. People (mostly) don’t die, and the contractors get fed.

    And to take your argument to its logical end, with the amount of money the government spends, we could have every river damned, Interstates to everywhere, a World-Class harbor in every podunk port city, etc. But we don’t. We could generate all our electricity with nuclear power. But we don’t.

  214. @anonymous
    whats the tangible reason for the shitty non-lunar space programs we (including russia, china, france, whomever) have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on over the last 50 years?

    im specifically excluding military goals. im talking about the garbage space exploration pr missions we've been doing this whole time since we last landed on the moon. you know, all that boring shit that's sending people into space but not to the moon.

    HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP SAYING WE WONT SPEND THE MONEY WHEN WE FUCKING DO SPEND THE MONEY?

    it's just insane alternate universe arguments. "sad story, people just don't have the will to go to space." what is anyone talking about? we, russia, china, all spend a ton of fucking time and money to send people to space. every single year since we "last" landed on the moon. tons of government will. but zero leaving low earth orbit.

    whats the tangible reason for the shitty non-lunar space programs we (including russia, china, france, whomever) have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on over the last 50 years?

    One of the tangible reasons for the Space Shuttle program was to subsidize the solid rocket motor business (the same infrastructure required to make tactical missiles) during peacetime.

  215. @Anonymous
    steve says the problem is the one BILLION dollars it would take.


    did i miss something? or have we given boeing and nasa and tons of other people a lot more than one billion dollars in the last 50 years of never leaving low earth orbit?


    this argument is literally insane. "nobody cares about space, we could do it if we wanted." i might believe that russia doesnt care about space or have the budget or whatever in some alternate universe where russia doesn't have a space program. but in this universe russia apparently *does* care and they have simply repeatedly sent rockets into space for the last 50 years, built space stations, etc. they are the space leader as elon musk will remind people: we have to hitch rides on russian rockets. which we do, in fact.

    in this universe its not possible to argue we just don't "care" or "spend money" on space. we do go to space--just not all the way to the moon.


    if the problem is we've "already done it" then what is russia's problem? surely it's not "they don't care." that country is certainly a piece of shit with budget problems but nonetheless they go out of their way to build rockets to go to space. i'm pretty sure they would love to put a russian flag on the moon since they haven't done it yet. they would make the budgetary sacrifice. i'm not really speculating here since, again, in this universe we know that russia has cared enough to spend a shitload of time and money on its space program over the last 70 years. why not go to the moon once if youre russia and you haven't done it? a billion dollars is not the issue.

    The only reason the Russians are still sending manned rockets into space is because WE (the U.S.) are paying them to ferry crews to OUR space station.

    If not for us, Russia wouldn’t have a manned space program any longer.

  216. @anonymous coward
    Well, it's well-established that robots and probes landed on the moon.

    The photo and video footage of the human landings is obviously fake.

    So, yes, we landed on the moon, but no human ever went there.

    The photo and video footage of the human landings is obviously fake.

    No it is not “obviously fake”. It is not “fake” at all.

    And what is “obvious” to you, is anyone’s guess.

  217. @Mr. Anon

    I would also be thrilled if they found compelling evidence of the alleged Apollo manned moon landings.
     
    Which you would probably instantly deny.

    Look, this is a gas for most of us - just entertainment. As Alfa158 said, we aren't going to change your mind, and in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. You and your idiot opinions don't matter. You are no more influential than muttering bag-ladies.

    Can we bring back the bag lady? When I was growing up, bag ladies were everywhere. Conundrum on Hill Street Blues? They ask the bag lady if she saw anything. Insulting a disheveled or stinky female? You told her she looked like a bag lady. And like that.

    Around the time GloboHomo brainwashed all the idiots into calling bums “the homeless,” hookers “sex workers,” and so on, we lost the bag lady altogether. (Couldn’t she at least have been kept on as the bag person?!)

    No, damn it! I won’t accept it. I will fight for the resurgence of the bag lady in our culture and our lexicon, with you as my inspiration. She never went away; I see at least five of her every day. Not naming her won’t change anything; it hasn’t done.

    I acknowledge and appreciate you, bag ladies of the world. Mutter on! (With the occasional cackle with bloody sputum, or even a hiss.)

    They cannot stop the bum rush.

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