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From Heavy’s write-up of the latest bad guy:

… Bowers was armed with an AR-15 ‘style’ rifle, in addition to multiple handguns. CNN’s Shimon Prokupecz later reported that Bowers had a license to carry a firearm. Since 1996, Bowers has bought six guns. … KDKA has described Bowers as being a “heavy-set white male with a beard.” …

Bowers was an active poster on an alternative version of Twitter, Gab, which is popular with white supremacists, white nationalists, members of alt-right groups and others who have been kicked off of mainstream social media sites. Bowers went by the moniker One Dingo …

In a post a few days before the shooting, Bowers wrote, “Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist.” … In another message, Bowers wrote of Trump, “For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga hat.” Bowers is a registered voter but is unaffiliated. Online records show that Bowers had no criminal record in the state of Pennsylvania.

 
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  1. It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right

    • Disagree: 27 year old, Charles Pewitt
    • Troll: BB753
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right"

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    , @Polynikes
    Well....The alt left has certainly surpassed them in political violence. Given this guy's apparent love of Hitler and national socialism, there can be little doubt that this was another violent leftist.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Define "Alt-Right."

    I'm assuming that you say the same thing every time a crazy Muslim attacks Whites and Jews in the United States and Europe.

    The actions of some crazy guy who didn't even like Trump doesn't define a political movement. That said, yes, things are getting more tense. The left constantly demonizes any White person who shows the slightest pride in their heritage as literally Hitler and thus worthy of being killed. The right is pushing back, though I rarely see the same calls for violence. And, yes, many people notice that Jews are a critically important (if not "the") driving force behind the changes of the past 60 years.

    I would prefer that we find a peaceful way out of this predicament and goodness knows that Steve is trying to do just that. However, history isn't on our side. History says that when you have massive migrations of different peoples into the territory of another people, you get violence. There are a few cases where they blended into a new people relatively peacefully, but they are the exception to the rule.

    Perhaps our leaders should have thought of this before embarking on this grand multi-everything experiment. I am abhorred by what this guy did. My fear is that more is on the way and not just some crazies acting our their insane fantasies, but normal people acting in what they feel is self-defense.
    , @Charles Pewitt

    It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right

     

    The Alt-Right only means EXPLICIT WHITENESS rather than IMPLICIT WHITENESS.

    The Alt-Right is now where the great majority of Americans of European Christian ancestry are heading.

    The Alt-Right is the future of politics for White Core Americans.

    The Alt-Right is surging ahead in all European Christian nations. The Alt-Right is on the march in France, Italy, the United States, Australia, Hungary, England, the Netherlands, Denmark and every other place colonized and settled by European Christians.

    The Alt-Right was named for a New Yorker of Prussian ancestry who made good loot as a supermodel.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction of the GOP is going the way of the dodo.

    German beer is chemical free, Germany and the Alt-Right are all right with me!
    , @unpc downunder
    If by alt right you mean populist/nationalist right, it's been a mixed year for the alt right in the US, and a good year for the alt right in Europe, Quebec and Brazil:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/10/03/quebecs-election-voters-showed-more-interest-far-right-than-separating-canada/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.49fc030c9f5b


    http://time.com/5394448/matteo-salvini/

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/28/far-right-candidate-jair-bolsonaro-heading-for-victory-in-brazils-presidential-election-exit-polls.html
  2. It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the ‘bomber’ and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    • Disagree: ic1000, snorlax, Hibernian
    • Replies: @Tim Howells
    For anyone who considers the idea of false-flags or covert government manipulation absurd in this context , please consider the Northwoods Operations proposed by the Joint Chiefs in 1963 to justify an invasion of Cuba to get rid of Castro. I guarantee that the current heirs of these guys have much greater capabilities than they did, and are much more concerned about Trump than they were about Castro. Some excerpts (emphasis mine) Note that having lots of alternatively real or phony casualties is not considered a problem:

    ...
    2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

    a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):
    ...
    (2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform “over-the-fence” to stage attack on base.
    (3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
    (4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).
    (5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
    (6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
    (7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.
    (8) capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
    (9) Capture militia group which storms the base.
    (10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires — napthalene.
    (11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).
    ...
    a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

    b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to “evacuate” remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
    ...
    4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.
     
    https://publicintelligence.net/operation-northwoods-documents/
    , @Cooption
    You know the Saudis were like, " phew ! long news cycle uh ? lets head back to the palace for pizza and concubines saleeem. "


    Who knows really. Maybe one in ten of these habbenings has some nefarious behind the scenes protaganist. You can't say the Russians ! are responsible for everything, and discount other groups picking up on that. If the US can be influenced by some goons dickin around on twitter, hell lets run a few double blinds up the flag pole and see if we can point things in the direction of our interests.

    Unleash the krackens !
    , @El Dato
    > It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month

    "It strains credulity that events X, Y, Z, which are totally unlike, are not related"

    Really
    , @Svigor
    The timing does seem extremely conspicuous.

    I hate the Konspiracy Kook everything is a false flag crowd, but the guy sending all the fake bombs to Democrats 2 weeks before the elections (you know, the one with all the cliche/stereotypical stickers on his van that are so neatly aligned that they make the professionals jealous) really does have the stench of convenience about it. You know; no Democrats were harmed in the making of this pre-election boost. Right down to "their" inability to find an actual White guy to play patsy.

    But Bowers, 11 dead Jews, 3 shot cops, etc? Not so much. There only the timing is suspicious. Everything else about it suggests genuine terrorism.

    , @Mr. Anon

    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the ‘bomber’ and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.
     
    Things happen. They don't all happen for any particular purpose.
    , @notanon
    i think there will be people engaged in a strategy of tension to repeal the 1A and 2A but i think the media's hysterical reporting over the last two years has been enough to generate most of it.

    (i'm not saying there hasn't been any bad guy involvement e.g. Las Vegas, Parkland etc but i think a lot of it is just unstable people being triggered by the media's constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump violence)
    , @Hibernian
    Kavanaugh, yes.
  3. The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    • Agree: crimson2, Bliss
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Was this guy a poster on Unz.com?"

    Does a bear shit in the woods?
    , @Almost Missouri
    So now tiny Unz.com rules the airwaves, while the gigantic MSM with their constant globo-homo anti-white agitprop affects absolutely nothing?
    , @ariadna
    Satire is not easy. Yours is a diligent but gauche attempt. Still, I give you 5 points for effort. Come again much improved.
    , @clyde
    pathetic from you...... I am awaiting the little duck to weigh in.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    There are very few "furious antisemitic rants" here, you're talking about The Sin Of Noticing.

    I don't think anyone here agrees with slaughtering people because they belong to "the wrong group", which is more than we can say about some other political strands.

    , @Svigor
    Free speech isn't for everyone. Maybe some other country would better suit your (((nature))).
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Does the blood curdling anti-White of the Left which is often on display everywhere make possible BLM violence against the police and the daily racist attacks of blacks against whites?
    , @notanon
    so you'd agree the media's constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump hatred is likely to lead to violence - either directly or as a reaction?
    , @BEER/ we're all going to die
    Blaming Unz dot com. Pathetic cretin you are! SHAME.
    , @sabril

    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.
     
    I wouldn't go that far, but I'm pretty confident that the internet is radicalizing a lot of people on both the left and right. I hope this guy wasn't an iSteve commenter, because that will probably end me up on some government list of potential troublemakers.

    It's a hell of a problem. Except for halfsigma's blog and to a lesser extent slatestarcodex every other discussion forum either silences those who disagree with the Left or allows anti-Semites to spew their nonsense.

    Personally I would rather swim with the anti-Semites as I think the Left is a much bigger threat, But if there is another shooting like this I will re-think things.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Not up to your usual standards, TD.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com...
     
    Mea culpa. I have been very harsh on the 400,000,000 Semites from Nouadhibou to Ras al-Jinz.

    I didn't realize, though, that I was curdling blood. I thought it was just the milk in the bladder pouches carried on speeding camels.
    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    Uncle Leo, is that you?
    , @CrunchybutRealistCon

    "blood curdling....furious..."
     
    Easy on the hyperbole G64. If you've found material on unz which is tantamount to a call to violence or skinhead style profanities....feel free to enlighten us. There is a fair amount of "crimethink" on this site, but it is only so described as it is articulate yet irritating to powerful advocacy groups.
    The best antidote to error is: sunshine, open debate, free speech & civility. There is all of this on Unz.com
    , @Bennis Mardens
    Says the hate filled anti-white bigot.
  4. There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

    That doesn’t mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @CAL2
    "Don't worry, we can be just like Brazil," is something no one with some intelligence has ever said. Brazil the country of tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. It's a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy. Whites tend to live in highly secure areas. It sounds like paradise (sarc).
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    ... believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority.
     
    Your prescription is more than a bit oxymoronic, especially for those whose esteemed “way of life” is/was significantly (if unconsciously) defined by living amongst—shock and horror—an overwhelmingly white milieu and power structure.

    Seems like you’re doing your Wormtongue best to sugarcoat a fatal blackpill.
    , @Jefferson
    "The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators."

    Any political ideology who's motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.


    "There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good."

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.
    , @KenH

    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population.
     
    Given how American whites have been villified, impugned and dispossessed since 1965 their reaction thus far has been remarkably restrained. No other people would tolerate a race of interlopers in the Jews to gain so much power and use that power to replace the majority people via mass importation of racially alien stocks and organizing and inflaming those racial aliens against the white majority.

    A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics
     
    Great Point! Let's sit around and become Brazil since things aren't so bad down there. Except they are.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

    That doesn’t mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.
     

    This is a particularly perspicacious comment. I appreciate the empathy and consideration. I would eagerly read more of what you write.

    btw, I am as horrified to hear about this anti-semitic attack as anyone else. I never for an instant harbored this type of animosity and hatred towards Jewish people.

    , @Svigor
    I more or less agree with this. I've never been fond of the blackpill-heavy approach. The simple fact is that most of what we can do has never even been tried yet, because of the apathy of our indoctrinated populace.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics...'

    So all we have to do is let ourselves become like Brazil and then there'll be a reaction?

    No doubt you're right.
    , @Henry's Cat
    Where do you live? Can you blame whites wanting to leave South Africa?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6293729/Two-foot-82lb-rock-used-smash-South-African-student-death-gang-raped.html
    , @Saxon
    I'm sure we'll live a life of dignity when we're a dispossessed kulak class with ever-broadening anti-white race laws like the ones that already exist such as the affirmative action/quota/set-aside/non-white only loans etc.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.
     
    No, but it does mean that one's country will be a country like...............Brazil. That isn't what our parents had, isn't what we used to have, and isn't what any of us wanted.
    , @Anonymous
    A post-Zionist Israel doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.
    , @ATBOTL
    Wasn't there another guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh around 15-20 years ago? I seem to recall something like that happening. I think this shooter was an immigration attorney and may have been insane. Does anyone remember that case?
    , @Anonymous

    The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.
     
    How so?
    , @BEER/ we're all going to die
    Great. Thank you, thank you on behalf of all angery white male deplorables.

    We Can Make America Great Like Brazil.

    With friends like you...
    , @epochehusserl
    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.
    --------------------------------
    It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like myself cannot live a life of dignity but that is what it will mean in reality. In the last three years alone I have been told the following by recent non-white immigrants:
    1. America is a sick place because it once contained segregation and slavery and people like me will pay because of those facts.
    2. That there was nothing in the founding documents that said that English had to be the national language.
    3. Islamic immigrants told me that when they are in the majority that they are in opposition to free speech because it could allow blasphemy.
    Online I have been told by white conservatives on Nationalreview's website that I am a white nationalist for opposing the absurdity of disparate impact and been threatened for my viewpoint.

    The elite seem to want to do nothing to encourage assimilation or any values other than demanding that I puke on our history and culture, so yes if things continue that will mean I would probably not be able to live a life of dignity if things continue the way we are going.
    , @Eric Novak
    We should surrender to becoming Brazil? By the way, our project has been working just fine thus far.
    , @Erik Sieven
    "A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics."
    It has been a huge success for the left to associate any pro-white / anti-immigration position with authoritarian aka "masculine" politics.
  5. If he didn’t support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn’t he?

    • Replies: @ariadna
    and Iran.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    If he didn’t support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn’t he?
     
    What does it really mean, for some U.S. citizen in Pittsburgh, to be characterized as a "supporter" of Vlaimir Putin? Did he "favorite" some Putin-themed memes from his Twitter account (before getting banned)? Who cares?
  6. I sense you were struggling for a thread title that didn’t sound ironic….

    ‘Screw the optics, I’m going in’ will inevitably become a macabre meme.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Leeeroooy Jenkins!
  7. You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??

    • LOL: IHTG, Ali Choudhury
    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "Do we know if this guy saw Django?"

     

    To read the press, this guy is the White-Right Django, but in the old context where Django was a bad guy and not a folk-hero.
    , @GW
    Yeah I don’t think you want racial crime rates being discussed. For every synagogue that gets shot up, how many innocent whites are shot by angry blacks? Or how many churches have been shot up by deranged atheists?
    , @Roderick Spode
    Oy vey!
    , @Desiderius
    All of a piece.
    , @notanon
    maybe he was initially triggered by films like Django?
  8. A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    • Replies: @Carl
    Because they're violent psychopaths?
    , @Rye
    He was probably genuinely angry and lost control. It happens all the time with Palestinians. In fact I'm beginning to see a lot of parallels between legacy Americans and Palestinians, much of the discourse from that conflict is applicable here. A few more attacks like this will basically constitute an American intifada. I can already picture Israeli security experts arriving in America to advise the Jewish community on how to better manage the restive American population, as well as walls going up around Jewish neighborhoods, complete with security checkpoints for gentiles.

    I am genuinely concerned that my freedom will be increasingly curtailed as collective punishment for these sorts of terrorist attacks. We need a two state solution.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    the only outcome
     
    Begging the question, methinks.

    It’s been said on this blog that “The Future Is Unwritten.”
    , @Chrisnonymous
    The reality is that, despite the accepted narrative that white males are crazy killers, they get news headlines while black killers--even those motivated by express racial animosity--don't because dog bites man isn't news while man bites dog is news.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    "Why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?"

    Lurker, what you really want to know is whether there's a chance that Cesar Sayoc was a "useful idiot" for leftist political operatives, operatives who (somehow) manipulated him into sending the "bombs" to various high-profile Democrats.

    While that is certainly possible, there is no proof at this moment that Sayoc had an intelligence handler, one who could have maneuvered him - James Earl Ray style , a definite "useful idiot" - into taking the fall for these "bombs".

    So, your implication is not necessarily wrong, but for now, there is no sign that you are right.

    Find the evidence.
    , @AndrewR
    Did the GOP baseball shooting empower the GOP?

    Have any mass shootings targeting whites empowered whites?
    , @El Dato
    Reichtagsbrand ... happened to not be a false flag.
    , @Lot
    "Screw the optics, I'm going in"
    , @Ibound1
    Stalin killed off the best farmers in Russia and the Ukraine by the millions with predictable horrible results and he killed off his best generals and officers on the eve of war with Hitler. Hitler forced the best Jewish scientists flee in the 1930s and then used valuable railway lines to put Jews in camps, when the military desperately needed those lines and of course he killed Jews - who were very productive and who could have been working, while the Reich had an enormous labor shortage.

    Sometimes people do unproductive things because they are evil psychopathic amoral maniacs.

    , @Anonymous

    A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?
     
    Would you ask the same question of the Palestinians? Or of the American Indians?
    , @notanon
    hasn't the biggest cause of death for white middle aged blue collar males over the last 20 years or so been suicide?

    suicide becoming political?
    , @Dissident

    A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?
     
    Your question assumes that such an individual is acting rationally. Is such an assumption a reasonable one to make (a) in general, about someone who does or would perpetrate such violence against civilians and (b) about Mr. Bowers, specifically, given what has been reported about him?
    , @Desiderius
    This might end up empowering Trump, if only because his opponents have their heads all the way up their asses, but surely the killer didn’t anticipate it helping Trump.

    You know, the person the killer claims to oppose.
    , @ben tillman
    What about Breivik? Was there any negative political fallout from that much larger massacre?
    , @BB753
    Manipulation and lack of intelligence. I sense the FBI is behind this. Push a wacko to the edge, encourage him through a mole and you've got a killing that not only will support the Narrative, but also fill the SPLC's coffers.
  9. October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.

    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.
     
    Are you talking about random violence or focused violence?
    , @Almost Missouri
    If Sayoc had sent duplicates of clock boy's creation to everyone instead of pseudo bombs, it would have been an epic troll.

    "Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week."
     
    How many whites were murdered by blacks this week?

    "Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races."
     
    When has the truth of this case ever mattered to the people holding the megaphone?

    Oddly, for those who are more violent and less peaceful than other races, the megaphone holders never condemn them but only announce what their deeds make incumbent on the rest of us to do for them.

    tl;dr: There has always been a double standard among the MSM, and there will continue to be a double standard.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    200 people have been shot and 46 of those were killed in Chicago just in the month of October alone. It is likely 80% were black and another 13% were Hispanic, based on the year's percentages.

    Definitely not making the case that you think anything at all like Thomas Jefferson, or that you understand concepts like proportion, math, or narrative.
    , @Polynikes
    Your concern trolling is admirable.
    , @Danindc
    Take a statistics class. I beg of you.
    , @Svigor

    And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.
     
    Meaning he isn't even worth mentioning.
    , @jsigur
    Assume intelligence asset
    , @Bennis Mardens
    Dumbest comment in the entire thread.
    Sayoc is OBVIOUSLY not white.
    Whites are still the most law abiding group on earth.
    99% of political violence is left on right.
    (And it's all over Youtube)
    , @Bennis Mardens
    You are so FOS it's hard to respond.
  10. “….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "“….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative."

    If you mass shoot up synagogues or you are a swastika flag waving LARPer than Donald Trump Trump is a globalist compared to you.
    , @gate666
    not really,even trump is not good enough for this retard.
  11. It’s strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire. If someone wanted to devote himself to evil, there are effective ways. I won’t mention them, but they exist. I think an ugly turning point will come when people realize this for themselves. But as long as the ridiculous “mass shooting” is the fashionable thing, it won’t happen.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    I think you mean a mass-simultaneous-organic-collective-red pilling of THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS MAJORITY....there is safety in numbers....

    Imagine if 100,000 WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MEN had descended upon Charlottesville in August 2017....

    , @Lurker

    It’s strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire.
     
    Which is why it's hardly way out to at least speculate about false flags, patsy shooters etc.
  12. It’s an FBI job.

  13. The synagogue shooting is awful stuff, and the alleged shooter needs to be vigorously prosecuted.

    I’ve only briefly scanned the political hub-bub attending this shooting and the arrest of that Florida mail bomb suspect a bit earlier. There are the “climate of opinion” folks who assert, more or less, that President Trump, for whom I didn’t vote, is somewhat responsible for these bad acts because his rhetoric somehow empowers these outlier criminal deeds.

    I think it’s fair to ask these “climate of opinion” folks whether they accept the same thinking for the anti-White male behaviors of organizations and individuals the past half-century, or thereabouts. Do civil rights laws, affirmative action, and the whole mess of authoritative supporting rhetoric from journalists, HR types, and so on create a “climate of opinion” that empowers, e. g., Black against White criminality and the vocational disenfranchisement of White guys?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I think it’s fair to ask these “climate of opinion” folks whether they accept the same thinking for the anti-White male behaviors of organizations and individuals the past half-century, or thereabouts. Do civil rights laws, affirmative action, and the whole mess of authoritative supporting rhetoric from journalists, HR types, and so on create a “climate of opinion” that empowers, e. g., Black against White criminality and the vocational disenfranchisement of White guys?
     
    Alternatively, are such people and groups responsible for creating the climate and conditions that drove this guy to violence?
    , @Moshe
    Jack,

    Nobody here has taken a more strident anti-anti-semitic line than myself. Some of my posts mocking the antisems have even been so withering that Steve didn't let them through.

    As a fellow proud to belong to a supposed culture of critique I, like an outsized number of my ethnics, am drawn to engage with people who are willing to openly doubt the reigning consensus while also being somewhat intelligent and rational. That's why, and you, are interested in reading Steve -- despite the fact that a solid 20% of his commentariot believe the same things that Bowers does about Da Jooz. (And it's kept down to 20% because about 30% of Steve's commentators are themselves at least 1/4 Jewish or have one as a close blood relative. Can you imagine how dumb the comment thread here would be without the Jews around here keeping it ever so slightly above sanity level??)

    And I disagree with what you are suggesting Jack

    FREE THOUGHT AND FREE SPEECH has to be weighed against its alternative, just like democracy must be weighed against its alternative.

    We worship at the altar of free speech not because all speech is good or because none of it is pernicious but because holding the God of Free Speech above all other gods means that rationality and wisdom and goodness have a way back in to the door.

    The !RonPaul¡ autists think that free speech will always, as a law of nature, bring about the best results.

    Horseshit.

    If we had the ability to shut the mouths and unplug the keyboards of every bad or stupid person the world would be a lot better for it.

    But who are the bad and the stupid?

    Yes, you and I and 80% of the locals can agree on most of who the Undoubtedly Bad Or Stupid are but even if you are in charge today, if you set a precedent allowing for that sort of power of censorship, then who will be in charge tomorrow?

    The Supreme Court erred on the side of Free Speech when they let that family of moron lawyers continue to shout "God Hates Fags!" at the funerals of our military men and when they decided that photographic pornography was some sort of speech and when they allowed neo nazis to march through a neighborhood of Jewish Holocaust Survivors in Skokie.

    I'm sure each and every member of The Court did not agree with the religious teachings of that moron from kansas but they feared that any curtailing of certain freedoms (see also: Bill of Rights) today will be used without any chance of successful opposition by TPTB tomorrow.

    The 4th Amendment is already dead and buried. The 2nd Amendment has morphed into something wholly different than it was intended to be ("a local bullet-backed check on the power of the government" duh).

    But the principles of the 1st Amendment ought to remain enshrined. Heck, I would expand them back to allowing for open calls for revolution. People have suffered and some have died because of Free Speech. Many many many more suffer and die where there is no free speech.

    =====

    Addendum: If you were addressing yourself to the jew-hating commentators themselves, you can not convince a pig not to be a pig and to have pig thoughts and to believe that pig thoughts are glorious and true and ought to be believed by one an all.

    What I myself have done however is to address myself to Steve himself, in both public and private, on the following two points, the first of which isn't relative to the one you raised but I'll repeat it anyway.

    A. The ideas and analyses and truths that he brings to the fore (not to mention often brilliant writing) are beyond question. What IS in question however is whether he isn't also [MAINLY INADVERTENTLY] providing a distorted picture of reality to the vast vast majority of his readers and also doing them quite a bit of harm. [Let me hasten to add that he is also doing them good by entertaining them, informing them, having their back with data and his culture of critique, and - last but DEFINITELY NOT LEAST - by influencing policy through having his ideas and analyses and knowledge read by people like Steve Miller and Ann Coulter and (at some point anyway) Steven Pinker and other more publicly accepted academics.] A goodly amount of his readers and commentators however end up believing in an incredibly distorted version of A. Things like "Black People" and "Yale University" and B. The World and Life. And thus they end up misengaging with many things and, far far worse they end up FEELING less happy and more defeated. . . My suggestion to Steve regarding that second point (and bo doubt it would do a whole lot of good for Steve himself too) is to have an Isteve Sabbath where he can turn his unique and absolutely extraordinary personality and skills toward information that is uplifting. I don't mean pseudo-science and I don't mean shmaltz and I don't mean pro-citizenism good news or pinkeresque graphs about a millennium long decline in infant mortality. I mean....well, it isn't for me to say. Steve is a Great Man of a unique and rare sort, what his Weekend or Wednesday posts will look like when he legitimately and unsardonically looks at life is as yet unknown. To me and perhaps to him. But Steve is no old dog and creating happiness is no new trick. The world will be a whole heckuva lot improved if Isteve went inspirational one day a week. Because, you know what? Damn, this world is fine!

    B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incresibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz [where there are serious, ron unz supported, articles claiming that Jews actually used christian blood in their matzahs and faked the holocaust -- As for Hebraic Ron himself...Ron, you need to watch "A Beautiful Mind". I realize that for a man with an ego as large as yours, you aren't likely to look for help but you are also about as fair-minded a man as can exist. You LOVE truth. Well, prove it. Is there a drug (and yes, it must be a drug or some surgery I am unaware of, no book by Mencken or Aristotle will do it, don't fool yourself!), so, is there a drug that can help you distinguish between patterns that point to something real and patterns that are noise your brain is amplifying in the hope of it pointing to something real and new and maybe even shhhhh forbidden? I don't know if you love truth more than you fear recognizing that there is a bug in your computer system. I hope so. It will probably improve your happiness in the immediate and in the long term to recognize this and people like Greg, Razib, Steve and many others will once again respect you AS MUCH AS THEY WISH THEY COULD. Because there is a lot to respect. It's just that your servings of creme brulee have a significant sized ball of fecal matter peeking through the crust, which makes the rest of the delicious dessert a bit harder to enjoy.]


    Back to Steve. ÷ B. Da Jooz. Steve gets a few things Wrong about the Jews but, worse, he presents an incredibly skewed picture and offers no rational explanation for that cartoon version of the Jews either, leaving his less intelligent or less sane readership with no explanation but those offered by the other writers here on unz.

    I have things to do so I will have to keep the rest to shorthand.

    The skewed picture of the Jews that many people here have (and if you are reading this you are not one of those people I am referring to) is that Jews more or less all work together promoting and helping each other at the expense of non-jews and that the only reason they are not yet running the whole world is because all they have is tribalism and a complete lack of ethics and maybe a few extra iq points, and so far that has not been enough. But, left unchecked, "The Jews", for reasons either magical or evolutionary, will continue to cause all of the wars in the world and to enslave all of its people for themselves.

    The majority of the truth however (and just the majority of it, the pareto principle if you will) is so simple it can be stated in a small sentence that is insanely easy to understand and for every confused reader of Steve's to wrap his head around. His ego however is likely to be far less stretchy. "Regarding attainment to the higher classes in various fields, as Blacks are to Whites, Whites are to Jews. And within those classes, people primarily act similar to other members of their class." This is not The Whole Of The Law but it explains the lions share, including why Blacks think there is a Conspiracy by Whites and Whites think there's a Conspriacy by Jews, etc.

    Gotta go. Be happy, be sweet, have fun and have a great day :) Moshe
  14. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    Because they’re violent psychopaths?

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    "Because they’re violent psychopaths?"

    Possibly, although here's something curious:

    CBS Miami reported that "A law enforcement official said late Friday that Sayoc had been living in a white van after he got kicked out by his parents’ house.

    The official said, Sayoc told investigators that the “pipe bombs wouldn’t have hurt anyone and that he didn’t want to hurt anyone.”

    Say what?

    Every other media outlet has reported that the guy wanted to kill Democrats.


    The obvious follow-up question, unasked by the MSM (predictably), is "so why did you send the "bombs" then?"

    Were the authorities afraid that Sayoc's answer might have been something along the lines of "I was doing as told?"

    Don't "violent psychopaths" proudly proclaim their desire to kill innocent people loudly to the press after they've been caught?

    What kind of "violent psychopath" claims he didn't want to hurt anybody?

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/10/26/11th-suspicious-package-found-at-florida-mail-facility/
    , @David In TN
    Because they're violent psychopaths?"

    In addition to being brain dead stupid.
    , @Lurker
    Right, so if they are just a violent loon then there isn't much political debate to had as a result of the current atrocity.
    , @Anonymous

    Because they’re violent psychopaths?
     
    How do we distinguish between "violent psychopath" political violence and non-psychopath political violence?

    How many thousands or millions of Muslims have Israel and its attack dog in the Middle East killed?
  15. In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn’t require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you’re right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it’ll bother the idiots who think like him. They’ll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them – the enlightened – at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.
    , @Anon
    Valuable list, thanks
    , @Nathan
    https://i.imgur.com/x9dUvCu_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    We should probably be grateful that the left isn't as competent at fomenting the death and destruction they espouse. Right wing extremists are probably less inclined to this sort of terrorism on average, but are more effective when it comes to execution.

    Not that the right's nuts and losers are very effective either. The laat thing the world needs are more one man Al Quedas like Anders Breivik.

    , @Bragadocious
    his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Indeed, just like we can hang around the necks of all Jews the actions of Baruch Goldstein, who stormed a mosque in the West Bank and gunned down 29 Arabs . Many Jews were outraged by this, mainly because the Arabs fought back and killed Goldstein. Didn't they get the memo that one Jewish life is worth more than 10,000 Gentile lives?

    Although maybe the ante's now been upped to 100,000 Gentile lives, according to this story.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-more-u-s-jews-will-walk-off-birthright-this-summer-1.6269655
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
    Don't forget to add Dr. Baruch Goldstein to your list.
    , @Lot
    This should be reposted in reddit and as comments in MSM sites that still allow them.
    , @Anon
    By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in mirror some time.
    , @Anon
    By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in the mirror some time.
    , @lavoisier
    Well this is a pretty sensible post.
    , @Kratoklastes

    celebrating the naming of a baby
     
    You just couldn't resist, could you? You had to over-egg the pudding. Seems like a thing in some circles.

    What they were actually doing was conducting a genital-mutilation ritual to propitiate a genocidal storm god, who they believe made a pact with an incestuous couple from southern Turkey.

    It might not dawn on people whose cognitive apparatus has been twisted by indoctrination into a "Blut un Rasse, Gott Mit Uns" cult, but it's actually possible to "celebrat[e] the naming of a baby" without having some charlatan in a silly hat hack at its penis while mumbling drivel, just so that a fictional Sky Maniac is pleased somehow.

    Now it should go without saying (but doesn't because the internet has an IQ of 100 now): the victims didn't deserve to die for being adherents to a religion whose canonical texts are full of what their left-leaning provocateurs would call 'hate speech' if it was directed towards them.

    Fuck 'too soon': it's terrible that some mentally-ill retard killed these people, but that fact doesn't make their stupid primitive behaviour acceptable.

    What psychotropic cocktail was Bowers taking? #QuestionsNeverAsked

    , @Anonymous

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.
     
    That's quite a strawman you've thrown up there. One must wonder about the strength of your argument if you felt compelled to put forth such a distortion.

    Why don't we look at what people are upset about and see if we can address it.
    , @Liza

    gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby.
     
    They weren't "naming a baby".
  16. The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera. You had to be a big shot didn’t ya you had to open up your mouth you had to have a white hot spotlight you had to be a big shot last night.

    • Replies: @fnn

    The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera.
     
    My impression is that they're virtually extinct. Did Geraldo really play a key role?
    , @prosa123
    "The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera."

    It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.
    , @Rouetheday
    So, it's your contention that it was Geraldo who actually started the fire?
    , @scrivener3
    Name the mass shooters diagnosed with a mental illness before the shooting. If the person was never diagnosed with a mental illness, he would never be in a mental institution. Closing the mental institution would have no effect on people who would not be in the institution if it remained open.

    Here is where your thinking goes wrong. When someone does something so evil that we cannot understand it, we often rationalize that they have a sick mind. In that way we stay in the warm belief that all people are basically good and no one (in their right mind) would do such a thing. People do evil things in their right mind and with volition as much as it pains you to look on it.
  17. A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

    • Agree: Svigor, BenKenobi, 3g4me, AndrewR
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Your contempt for us all has been noted. Now what? Why not put together some arguments and evidence to convince us of whatever you've got simmering between your ears?
    , @Desiderius
    It’s mostly drive-bys.
    , @AndrewR
    I'll just leave this here....

    https://mobile.twitter.com/rooshv/status/1056561979169607682
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Correct.
    , @Jack Hanson
    A lot of boomers and other people addicted to their comfort levels terrified of what a civil conflict means.
    , @Dissident

    A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.
     
    The same statement was made by many of those who defended the actions of the late Baruch Goldstein. Goldstein was the fanatic Zionist settler who, back in 1994, entered a West Bank mosque and massacred the Palestinian civilians who were praying there.
    , @anon

    but also make excuses for the people who hate us.
     
    Who are the people who hate us?
    , @snorlax
    31yo, I often like your comments, but, really, this is not the time or the place. I've been very critical of blacks before, but not in the thread about the Charleston shooting.
  18. Awful attack. In my view, we all need to calm down a bit. The current political atmosphere in the United States isn’t pretty, and it’s getting worse here in Europe too.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Yes. The murder in that black church was horrible. I'm sure even people who hate blacks would worry last about the ones attending church.

    Instead it was used to further the cold civil war. We need to turn down the heat.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    The guy was a pycho. That's all.

    That said, yes, thing are getting more tense. Might have something to do with the imvasion of the West by other peoples. This will either end in the destruction of Whites as a people or violence on a grand scale. Which do you prefer?
  19. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    You might want to read up on the Holodomor. It was run by Jews and probably killed more people than the Holocaust but we don't hear much about that because as Lenin said it all comes down to who and whom
    , @Hhsiii
    The generation that fought the war that ended the regime that committed the holocaust came back to this.

    https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014

    Different things and magnitude, and doesn’t have much to do with immigration, but as long as we are talking about registering.

    This non-Trump voting, anti-Semitic maniac isn’t particularly representative. Like most psychos, he’s kinda sui generics. Like Mr. Sayoc. Although at least the latter doesn’t seem like he wanted to hurt anyone.
    , @Stealth
    Are you suggesting that all white gentiles share some blame for the Holocaust?
    , @Lot
    No ethnic cleansing in the USA? Detroit's white population went from 1.5 million to 0.05 million.
    , @Wilkey
    Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    My ancestors on this side of the pond and cousins on the other side (in Great Britain) fought to stop that genocide.

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day? How about the massively disproportionate violence being committed by blacks in comparison to whites in this country even today?
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Muslim lying. They are the most dishonest vermin around.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc...'

    ? The Holocaust was a matter of white people killing other white people they saw as different.

    How would you distinguish that from what happened in Rwanda, or Biafra, or that goes on more or less continuously in the Congo?

    The blacks rely less on organization and more on spontaneous action, but they acheive credible death tolls nevertheless. Did you have some sort of point?
    , @Mr. Rational
    Just give South Africa some more time to simmer.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Um, you do realize that it was Nazi Germans that carried out that atrocity, right?

    You also realize that Americans fought those same Nazi Germans and liberated many camps, right?

    In your mind, all gentile Whites are guilty of the sins committed by a relatively small number of gentile Whites 75 years ago in a distant land and must permanently atone for those sins. We are Sisyphus and our boulder the Jewish Holocaust (and, no, it is not "the" holocaust since their have been many).

    I refuse to accept the guilt that you wish to place upon me, the guilt that you wish to use against me. I am no more responsible for the Jewish Holocaust than I am for this horrible attack. Both are heinous, both have nothing to do with me.

    I will continue to criticize any group that seems to be acting in a way that harms my people. The guilt card is no longer in play. I do not want violence against members of that group, but I will not quietly allow the loss of my people and the world we created.
    , @J.Ross
    As always you're right Ali, let's have millions more victims before rushing to any hasty conclusions.
    , @Anonymous
    Ask the White French Haitians, oh yah, I forgot you can't the blacks exterminated them.
  20. The political polarization in this nation reminds me of this scene in Do The Right Thing.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    The future. Nice and clean.
  21. Was only a very few hours after the ‘largest massacre of Jews in USA history’, morphed into a snowballing campaign of censorship against all those in the world who might be critical of Jewish power … Unz Review itself may get into the target sights

    Twitter alternative Gab has been instantly shut down, de-platformed, deprived of web hosting services and Paypal payment access, because 1 Gab user is accused of a massacre

    10 days ago, Bowers had re-posted a message from anti-Jewish US politician Patrick Little, who warned:

    I expect a very large false flag attack as one of the final desperate attempts by the jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in the face of collapsing public trust in (((the media)))

    So the claim is that this guy tweeted about Jewish run false-flags to harm the political right wing, and then somehow a few days later, himself decided to be a synagogue shooter … and grossly harm the political right wing?

    Or did they pick this ‘Robert Bowers’ to be the patsy for killing, enjoying satanic irony in that he himself had just tweeted about expecting a Jewish-run false flag?

    Culturally interesting in that the synagogue massacre stopped the bris circumcision mutilation of a Jewish baby boy that was scheduled … Arguably, circumcision is a barbarism needing to be outlawed everywhere … Most people don’t know it kills hundreds of babies each year, and that there is very different sexual sensitivity and sensation when males lose their protective genital cover

    Roger Dommergue (full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, 1924-2013); French Jewish professor, and essayist, known for his writings concerning alternative medicine and his Holocaust denialism tho a Jew surviving the war – Dommergue argued that it was male child genital mutilation, and how it is emphasised in Judaism, that helped give Jews a malicious psychology, as they would forever seek revenge upon the world

    • Replies: @Dissident

    Culturally interesting in that the synagogue massacre stopped the bris circumcision mutilation [sic] of a Jewish baby boy that was scheduled
     
    "Culturally interesting" perhaps to foreskin fetishists, a characterization that your post would suggest manifestly applies to you. For others? Not so much. I daresay, even, that most people-- i.e., those with neither an unhealthy fixation on circumcision nor one on Jews-- would join me in finding your exploitation of a tragedy such as Saturday's massacre in Pittsburgh to promote your anti-circumcision crusade to be quite distasteful, if not downright obscene.

    Arguably, circumcision is a barbarism needing to be outlawed everywhere … Most people don’t know it kills hundreds of babies each year,
     
    Is that hundreds figure that you are claiming worldwide? Whatever the actual rates of fatalities and other casualities for routine infant circumcision (RIC) are-- and for such data I certainly would never take the word of anyone as biased on the topic as you obviously are-- they are meaningless unless compared to the corresponding figures for the various complications and pathological conditions that can arise as a result of not being circumcised as an infant.

    On balance, when weighed objectively, I believe there is a fairly broad consensus of reasonable, informed opinion that holds that whether or not a male was circumcised as an infant is (at least inherently) unlikely to be of much ultimate consequence to his health and functioning-- urological, urogenital, psychological or other. I would wager that the number of men who even so much as ever give a moment of thought to their circumcision status is probably infestimally small. (Or it least that used-to be the case, prior to the advent of the Internet, which has given platform for driven zealots such as yourself to spread your anti-circ propaganda to many people, myself included, who would have otherwise in all likelihood remained blissfully unmolested and at least mostly unaware of it.)

    and that there is very different sexual sensitivity and sensation when males lose their protective genital cover
     
    However different that altered sensitivity and sensation may be, it would appear that the overwhelming majority of circumcised males nonetheless find what remains quite sufficient and satisfactory for their purposes.

    At any rate, it is difficult to imagine too many things less arousing of sympathy and more pathetic than grown men who whine that they are victims merely because they were circumcised as infants.

    Roger Dommergue (full name Roger Guy Dommergue Polacco de Menasce, 1924-2013); French Jewish professor, and essayist, known for his writings concerning alternative medicine and his Holocaust denialism tho a Jew surviving the war – Dommergue argued that it was male child genital mutilation, and how it is emphasised in Judaism, that helped give Jews a malicious psychology, as they would forever seek revenge upon the world
     
    Hmm, I'm not sure whether that sounds more Freudian or Reichian (as in Wilhelm Reich). Six-of-one, half-a-dozen of the other, I suppose. Regardless, (and putting aside the question of how the esteemed Professor would deal with the fact of the many millions of non-Jewish male infants whose parents voluntarily chose to have circumcised, such as the majority of U.S.-born males), perhaps Dommergue's theory provides an answer to a question I have long wondered about:

    Why is it that when it comes to the matter of circumcision, individuals who have clearly and amply demonstrated that they have little love for Jews, suddenly profess such concern over the health and well-being of Jewish male infants?

    After all, is it not the case that vehement opposition to circumcision is often, if not usually, coupled with a decidedly less-than-favorable inclination toward both Jews as well as Judaism that, in both cases, goes well beyond the specific area of circumcision? Am I to believe that this correlation is mere coincidence?
    , @Anon
    Uhhmm as if only Jews circumsize boys. So do all Muslims , many non Muslim Africans and Asians and most Americans and many Christians . At least half the world circumsize boys. This guy you cite is a crank. Not surprisingly he is also a holocaust denier.
  22. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    He was probably genuinely angry and lost control. It happens all the time with Palestinians. In fact I’m beginning to see a lot of parallels between legacy Americans and Palestinians, much of the discourse from that conflict is applicable here. A few more attacks like this will basically constitute an American intifada. I can already picture Israeli security experts arriving in America to advise the Jewish community on how to better manage the restive American population, as well as walls going up around Jewish neighborhoods, complete with security checkpoints for gentiles.

    I am genuinely concerned that my freedom will be increasingly curtailed as collective punishment for these sorts of terrorist attacks. We need a two state solution.

    • Replies: @anon
    This comment deserves a gold box:

    He was probably genuinely angry and lost control. It happens all the time with Palestinians. In fact I’m beginning to see a lot of parallels between legacy Americans and Palestinians, much of the discourse from that conflict is applicable here. A few more attacks like this will basically constitute an American intifada. I can already picture Israeli security experts arriving in America to advise the Jewish community on how to better manage the restive American population, as well as walls going up around Jewish neighborhoods, complete with security checkpoints for gentiles.
     
  23. Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at “the Jews” is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific “foreign invaders” who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the “Caravan of Doom” heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being “good Jews” and even consider them potential allies against the “bad Jews” like George Soros…

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Anon
    I had no idea as to the first half of the 'screw the optics' quote. Imagine the ADL's donation bonanza this year. Maybe they will finally have the resources to go after you...namely unlimited.
    , @Abyssal
    You are an idiot.

    The shooter evidently made no distinction between "good Jews" and "bad Jews". He shot indiscriminately at everybody in the synagogue within range of his firearms.
    , @Tyrion 2
    He was screaming "all Jews must die".

    His GAB account looks like that of one of your most true-believing followers.

    (I wonder if he had a moment where he noticed that the Jews weren't worshipping Satan and sacrificing the baby?)

    This obviously isn't your fault, but you blaming Fox News is pretty pathetic.

    Also, the vast majority of people want less immigration. It is not an extreme viewpoint.

    , @Dieter Kief
    I'd prefer rather not to - - be ironic right now, and it might also not be the perfect moment to speculate about - - - an obviously troubled mind.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    OK, who here tagged this post as Troll?

    Disagree with him if you choose, but Ron Unz hosts this fine place.
    , @TheBoom
    Ron, you must feel proud that Unz is now considered important enough that it is attracting a growing number of leftist trolls. Accusations of "you're all rayyycist" add greatly to the educational value of the site. Welcome to the big leagues!
    , @J
    HIAS is helping refugees and poor people, as do the Quakers and the Lutherans and other religious welfare organizations. Yet the attack was on a synagogue, because the obsessive and negative focusing on the Jews. Like this blog.
    , @Declane
    Still trying to have it both ways, Ron? I guess that's why there's not a big DONATE button at the top of every page. I know you pay your writers peanuts - that's why you get so many monkeys contributing their columns - but surely the hosting costs a chunk of change. Big Jewish donors, huh? Can't criticize the Jews, huh? No matter where you go, there they are.
    , @Polynikes
    Quite the logical leap just to shill for open borders. Let no crisis go to waste....
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Unz, your attempt to smear the immigration patriot right with responsibility for the violence beloved among the holders of anti-semitic views you've recently been promoting is cowardly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Please shut up until a white shooter targets Mexicans or immigrants.
    , @Heros

    "Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    This sounds just like some crappy dialog in a jewish made hollywood movie, something Schwarzenegger could have said. It is also reminds of flight 93's famous:

    "Are you ready? Okay. Let's roll."
     
    This is clearly one giant (((psyop))) for stupid goyim and even stupider jews. The timing is perfect as is the target: gun-crazed angry white males. Once again, it came straight off of some jewish script writers storyboard.

    And what was the motive? Did this guy believe killing a few jews would solve the countries problems in the same way they would have us believe that Paddock thought shooting hundreds from the Mandalay, directly in front of the Luxor pyramid and the sphynx, would?

    , @Svigor
    "Invaders that kill our people" is shorthand for "slowly annihilate us via the soft genocide of immigration."

    It's pretty simple. If you have Golden Retrievers in kennel A and Labrador Retrievers in kennel B and keep putting dogs from kennel A into kennel B, eventually you have plenty of Golden Retrievers but the Labrador Retrievers are all gone.
    , @Saxon
    Yes the small army of (likely paid) astroturfers probably are fanatically anti-immigration, but only for Israel. That's an important distinction.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Moreover, there are also plenty of Christian "refugee resettlement" organizations that do the same things that HIAS does. The Catholic and Lutheran churches are especially egregious offenders.
    , @Anonymous Jew
    Can we start distributing little pins to the pro-White "Good Jews"? (Because arm patches would be bad optics).

    Stuff like this is obviously bad for the right, and it could have been my kids in there yada yada (though I'll be packing when/if my sons go to Temple). That said, to quote Chris Rock "I wish they'd let me join the Klu Klux Klan...S&%#, I'd do a drive-by from here to Brooklyn." Good Jews can hate the Bad Jews just as much as the Bad Whites hate the Bad Jews (this labeling can get pretty confusing).

    There's no hard Jewish conspiracy that I'm aware of. If I find out about one, I promise to disclose all of its secrets right here on iSteve. No, just a lot of powerful and influential Jews that hate the West and hate Whitey. Likewise there are a lot of Blacks that have low IQs and are filled with resentment (by those same Jews). Just humans being tribal + leftist religion (the Religion of Equality as I call it) + a country that no longer has a clear ethnic majority. (I'm starting to think somewhere around 80% is some universal threshold for homogeneity that human societies need to function without too much ethnic strife)

    I'm not sure if there's a place for smarter than average conservative Blacks in an ideal America, but I think there's room for a handful of right-wing, pro-White/pro-Western Jews.
    , @Anonymous
    I would guess that even among the very few hardcore anti-Semites you’d be hard pressed to find any of them who try to justify any murder, especially mass murder. Also, many who are critical of the Jews come from a conservative Christian tradition (E. Michael Jones, late Joe Sobran, etc.) where committing or even intending harm to anyone is gravely immoral and absolutely prohibited (the decline of Christianity is not good for the Jews in the long run).

    Compare this to Baruch Goldstein, who murdered more than 3 times as many worshippers than the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter. Goldstein murdered 29 Muslim worshipers.

    From Wikipedia:

    At Goldstein's funeral, Rabbi Yaacov Perrin claimed that even one million Arabs are "not worth a Jewish fingernail". Samuel Hacohen, a teacher at a Jerusalem college, declared Goldstein the "greatest Jew alive, not in one way, but in every way", and said that he was "the only one who could do it, the only one who was 100 percent perfect". Rabbi Dov Lior of Kiryat Arba declared that Goldstein was "holier than all the martyrs of the Holocaust".

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

     

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Most of the people he killed seem to have been grandparents, so I doubt they were politically active about much of anything besides not cutting Medicare or Social Security, if they were even up to that. One victim was pushing 100.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    America is the only country where "anti-Semites" are more than happy to sell a Jew a gun.

    Wrap your mind, and ammo strap, around that!
    , @OilcanFloyd
    The immigrants are invaders. I don't know why you would make light of forced demographic and cultural replacement, since it is obviously an explosive issue. I don't celebrate the shootings, but it doesn't take a genius to understand why Jews are disliked and distrusted.

    Also, how can you compare the crime rates of young Hispanic and White men, when we really don't know how many Hispanics are in the U.S., or who they are in many cases. The number of young White men and their identities is reliably documented. Throw in the no snitch culture and FBI toying with ethnic identity for crime stats, and I don't see any way to reliably compare the two groups. Even if you are right, I don't think I have ever seen a community where changing demographics from majority White to majority Hispanic made for a better place to live, and I don't hold out any hope that a majority Hispanic nation will be a better place.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I simply want to live among my own people and to be ruled by my own people. I guess that makes me an extremist in the United States, at least according to Mr. Unz.
  24. Seems like these racists are emboldened by Trumps rhetoric.

    This is why a blue wave is necessary

    • Troll: IHTG, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    A blue wave will increase the anti-White rhetoric and policies against Whites. I agree, it is necessary. Time to stop wasting time. Let's push the ball forward.
  25. Another deranged antiTrumper committing violence. The left has no concern for anyone but themselves so the feel free to attack and kill others.

  26. This guy read this site.

    That tells you something right there.

    All this proves that white men are the scourge of the earth.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I preferred your old handle, Tiny Duck.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you have eaten some bananas in your lifetime. So have I. Ergo we're both serial hate killers biding our time.
    , @anon
    Tiny Johnson. A troll sense of humour.
  27. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    I had no idea as to the first half of the ‘screw the optics’ quote. Imagine the ADL’s donation bonanza this year. Maybe they will finally have the resources to go after you…namely unlimited.

  28. @DFH
    It hasn't been a great year for the Alt-Right

    “It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right”

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    • Replies: @bomag

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.
     
    Well, the mainstream Left seems pretty unsympathetic with their screaming in restaurants and elevators, accusations without evidence, and their share of violence.

    The Left wins the likability contest in the age of mass media by promising free stuff for everyone. The Right has to explain that nothing is free, and by then they are playing damage control.

    But long term the money eventually runs out, and it becomes a matter of what right wing, conservative regime will prevail.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Some call the Neo-Nazi types "alt-retard".
    , @Svigor
    Solzhenitsyn was oppressed by The Party, ergo Solzhenitsyn was bad.

    Brilliant logic from you as usual, Jeffy.
    , @donut
    This changes nothing . "The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic." to you maybe . Spencer is irrelevant at this point and Sayoc did no more harm than Clockmed only he didn't get an invitation to the White House . A sad man leading a sad life . Bowers actions were unfortunate but won't change anybody's mind . I didn't even bother to read the story I don't care . Mass murder is boring in 2018 . The right isn't going to fold because of his deeds . We'll just have to put up with more vapouring from the NPCs of the media and the Dem. Pols . demands for more repressive laws . Yawn .
    , @Random Smartaleck

    ...the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer...
     
    Self-proclaimed, and only recognized as such by Fake News.
  29. @Realist
    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the 'bomber' and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    For anyone who considers the idea of false-flags or covert government manipulation absurd in this context , please consider the Northwoods Operations proposed by the Joint Chiefs in 1963 to justify an invasion of Cuba to get rid of Castro. I guarantee that the current heirs of these guys have much greater capabilities than they did, and are much more concerned about Trump than they were about Castro. Some excerpts (emphasis mine) Note that having lots of alternatively real or phony casualties is not considered a problem:


    2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

    a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):

    (2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform “over-the-fence” to stage attack on base.
    (3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
    (4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).
    (5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
    (6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
    (7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.
    (8) capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
    (9) Capture militia group which storms the base.
    (10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires — napthalene.
    (11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

    a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.

    b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to “evacuate” remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

    4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

    https://publicintelligence.net/operation-northwoods-documents/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    That's an impressive set of false flags. The difference is that the Cuban government is a foreign government, not an American administration elected according to US electoral law.

    Something like this - or even a tenth or twentieth of it - directed against an elected administration and discovered, would surely constitute treason, and would surely attract sanction up to and including the death penalty. "He who draws his sword against his prince should throw away the scabbard" as Machiavelli put it.

    I suppose it's just possible. There are a lot of Remain voters over here who are quite open about their desire to stop the implementation of the Leave vote. They aren't even thinking about what that implies about their commitment to democracy.

    (On the amazing utility of the fake bomb MAGAman and the recent shooting to the anti-Right cause, I guess we should remember that a lot of things happened under Obama that didn't help the left - the Ferguson riots and murder of police were pretty poor optics for Dems even when Obama had the media in his pocket. "Events, dear boy, events" said MacMillan.)

  30. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    “Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said. Brazil the country of tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. It’s a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy. Whites tend to live in highly secure areas. It sounds like paradise (sarc).

    • Replies: @adreadline

    It’s a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy.
     
    This may be so, but if it is, it's rather easy to adapt to such a state of affairs. Full blown anarchy is not a feature in daily life, not in my limited experience. (I estimate I'm in the top 5% here as far as quality of life is concerned, though)

    Also, and I mean this without malice, I go around in public without worrying that a madman will start shooting people indiscriminately. Squads of criminals may come and rob you at gunpoint, which must be a truly awful experience (haven't been through it), or, in the more violent areas, you might be struck by a bullet meant to kill someone else, but no random, heavily armed wacko will decide that simply because you happen to be there, in the wrong place at the wrong time, you and a dozen other people have to die. That a man will enter a synagogue, or a black Christian church, or a white Christian church, or a theater, or a school, and declare death to all those attending -- for reasons known only to himself -- almost never happens here (to paraphrase Mr. ''Cool Guy'' Obama, at least not like it does in the United States, but also in Canada and even in Europe).

    And yet we have 63,000 homicides a year, in a country 2/3s the size of the US. A bloodbath. Go figure.
    , @Lot
    Yeah we'll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/0e/22/f90e22fbf17420a5b50527ee9e0da01a.jpg

    https://media.gq.com/photos/5584679109f0bee56443db6f/master/pass/copilot-women-201406-1401818570087_wandering-eye-rio-ben-watts-3.jpg


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1343288.1372304058!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

    https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/lena-dunham-1-600-2.jpg
    , @Jefferson
    "“Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said."

    Brazilians are electing a politician for president Jair Bolsonaro who is vastly to the political Right of ALL Northwest European heads of state. Enjoy your damn Angela Merkel, Stefan Lofven, Theresa May, Michael D. Higgins, etc.

    Nobody on the political Right can even be elected dogcatcher in Northwest Europe because it is the most Cucked region in the world. Northwest Europe makes Maryland look like Mississippi in terms of politics.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    “Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said.
     
    No, but we'd do quite well to adopt their immigration policies. Indeed, we had similar ones once, but threw them away.

    Evidently, Portuguese was made official in an early constitution, but that was unnecessary, as limited immigration ensured that even with 200,000,000 people, they'd be among the most monolingual states in the hemisphere, if not the world.

    Also, their music still sounds like music. Ours hasn't for the last fifty years.
  31. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    You might want to read up on the Holodomor. It was run by Jews and probably killed more people than the Holocaust but we don’t hear much about that because as Lenin said it all comes down to who and whom

    • Replies: @Dissident

    You might want to read up on the Holodomor. It was run by Jews
     
    Apostate Jews who were no less vicious to Torah-true Jews than they were to any gentiles.
  32. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    “Was this guy a poster on Unz.com?”

    Does a bear shit in the woods?

  33. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    So now tiny Unz.com rules the airwaves, while the gigantic MSM with their constant globo-homo anti-white agitprop affects absolutely nothing?

  34. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    You are an idiot.

    The shooter evidently made no distinction between “good Jews” and “bad Jews”. He shot indiscriminately at everybody in the synagogue within range of his firearms.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  35. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    … believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority.

    Your prescription is more than a bit oxymoronic, especially for those whose esteemed “way of life” is/was significantly (if unconsciously) defined by living amongst—shock and horror—an overwhelmingly white milieu and power structure.

    Seems like you’re doing your Wormtongue best to sugarcoat a fatal blackpill.

    • Agree: Rosie, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @IHTG
    It would be better if the United States remained a majority white country. By all means, work towards that goal. But making your entire worldview contingent on it marks you as an unserious person. You are in the midst of a great culture war against the woke social justice left, the stakes of which are the moral legitimacy of the nation-state itself. Your duty to oppose them doesn't change if the white percentage of the population flips from 50% to 49.9%, and nobody other than cranks would follow a person who believed such a thing.
  36. Mass shooting trivia: The 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue massacre occurred withhin 2 miles of the , still unsolved, 2016 Wilkinsburg massacre.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Wilkinsburg_mass_shooting

    There were actually 2 unsolved massacres in 2016.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_County,_Ohio,_shootings

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    From the Wiki page on the Pike County murders:

    "Investigators believe the murders were premeditated, and that the perpetrators were known to the Rhoden family. On April 25, the Ohio Attorney General's office confirmed the presence of marijuana growth and cockfighting operations at some of the crime scenes,...."

    Marijuana and cockfighting...............in rural Ohio. Gee I wonder what kind of people the Rhodens were mixed up with?
    , @J.Ross
    As good as it is to be reminded that law enforcement works in hours when politically necessary and not at all when the victins are poor, those look like they are fully explained by drugs and blacks.
  37. It is the Russians says the Washington Post! Damn you Putin! Why didn’t we think of this? Who better for the Russians to use than a Filipino exotic dancer, steroid freak living in his van? A great cover.

    The Washington Post is all over this breakthrough

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/27/mail-bomb-suspect-made-numerous-references-facebook-russian-associates-echoed-pro-kremlin-views/?fbclid=IwAR1Rgn4SvtBFsvzD8qkRWvVqhSyDb_7qnhBc_Da8e-3fsW3rxwZnki8zI-0&noredirect=on&utm_term=.7faed0094117

  38. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    the only outcome

    Begging the question, methinks.

    It’s been said on this blog that “The Future Is Unwritten.”

  39. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    He was screaming “all Jews must die”.

    His GAB account looks like that of one of your most true-believing followers.

    (I wonder if he had a moment where he noticed that the Jews weren’t worshipping Satan and sacrificing the baby?)

    This obviously isn’t your fault, but you blaming Fox News is pretty pathetic.

    Also, the vast majority of people want less immigration. It is not an extreme viewpoint.

  40. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    Satire is not easy. Yours is a diligent but gauche attempt. Still, I give you 5 points for effort. Come again much improved.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    Really, are you telling me there's no causal link between violent political rhetoric and political violence??
  41. @Jefferson
    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.


    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    Are you talking about random violence or focused violence?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  42. @dearieme
    If he didn't support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn't he?

    and Iran.

  43. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    “The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.”

    Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.

    “There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.”

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

    • Troll: Eric Novak
    • Replies: @27 year old

    The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.
     
    Wrong wrong and wrong

    "Alt-Right" talking points that were basically unheard of outside of this comment section in 2011 are now on FOX NEWS every night to 4 million viewers.

    The "Alt-Right" is making a good play to replace basic bitch corporate conservatism. This could become the explicit political ideology of 70 million Americans...

    Don't even try to @ me with some weak ass hair splitting crap about what "Alt Right" "really" refers to.

    , @Jonas
    It's a good question that vanguard movements usually attract people with mental illness. There are a certain glamour, mainly in artistic and even scientific vanguard movements, about eccentric people. The best of them are intelligent , of course, but often misfit, nonconformist people. Perfectly fit and intelligent people usually don't care about to change the world. They only want to understand the current rules of the world and adapt to it, to succeed. This explain why thee are so many competent people in academia and media that are indifferent or support the current Western values.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics.
     
    Doesn’t seem to bother Elizabeth Warren ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VGgk6qOnTI
    , @dvorak

    Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks.
     
    True, George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party was assassinated by a crazy guy who had previously been kicked out of the American Nazi Party
    , @Svigor
    White nationalism is on an inexorable up trend.
    , @L Woods
    Added to the annals of self-awareness...
    , @Mr. Anon

    Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics.
     
    Quite true. There are some bright peole on the alt-right too. You'd think they would have figured that out.

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier.
     
    That is also true. However there are lots of people - millions actually - on the mainstream right, who - though perfectly sane - are supporting politicians and policies that are undermining nearly everything they hold dear and which will ultimately destroy their country and their civilization.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling...
     
    More likely a manhole cover.
  44. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    The generation that fought the war that ended the regime that committed the holocaust came back to this.

    https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014

    Different things and magnitude, and doesn’t have much to do with immigration, but as long as we are talking about registering.

    This non-Trump voting, anti-Semitic maniac isn’t particularly representative. Like most psychos, he’s kinda sui generics. Like Mr. Sayoc. Although at least the latter doesn’t seem like he wanted to hurt anyone.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    Believed in the superiority of whites, angry at "filthy" Jews for enabling "filthy" Muslims and highly violent central Americans to invade the US. Looks to be have been specifically triggered by the migrant caravan. Sounds pretty typical apart from thinking Trump was too soft.
  45. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    I’d prefer rather not to – – be ironic right now, and it might also not be the perfect moment to speculate about – – – an obviously troubled mind.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Lot
    SF had a formerly mainstream conservative politician snap and defend himself with a "Twinkie defense."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White

    Our esteemed host, also a former mainstream conservative politician, was reported to eat half his meals at Burger King.

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/burger-king-whopperrito.jpg?w=1100&quality=85
  46. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    OK, who here tagged this post as Troll?

    Disagree with him if you choose, but Ron Unz hosts this fine place.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Maybe it was it was a joke, not good taste on this particular thread IMHO.
    , @Anonymouse
    ". . . most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website" - Ron Unz

    All six (estimate) of them who write to refute the most egregious libels of jews and Israel. Interesting glimpse of the webmaster's mindset.
  47. @TomInNOLA
    You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??

    “Do we know if this guy saw Django?”

    To read the press, this guy is the White-Right Django, but in the old context where Django was a bad guy and not a folk-hero.

  48. @Redneck farmer
    "....thinks Trump is a globalist". Well, that's going to hurt the narrative.

    ““….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative.”

    If you mass shoot up synagogues or you are a swastika flag waving LARPer than Donald Trump Trump is a globalist compared to you.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
    one positive part of this horrible tragedy is that the guy was a trump basher.
  49. @Jefferson
    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.


    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    If Sayoc had sent duplicates of clock boy’s creation to everyone instead of pseudo bombs, it would have been an epic troll.

    “Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.”

    How many whites were murdered by blacks this week?

    “Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.”

    When has the truth of this case ever mattered to the people holding the megaphone?

    Oddly, for those who are more violent and less peaceful than other races, the megaphone holders never condemn them but only announce what their deeds make incumbent on the rest of us to do for them.

    tl;dr: There has always been a double standard among the MSM, and there will continue to be a double standard.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  50. Bowers is an asshole. I hope they fry him. Trump and his supporters have been handily outwitting and defeating America’s well funded enemies through the process without this guy’s homicidal racism. When jerks like him come along and kill civilians, it gives our enemies who control the megaphone all they need to establish a moral equivalence between what they do, which destroys the lives of millions of US citizens, to the insane actions of a few people identified as Trump supporters. Obviously the insane rhetoric and violent street actions funded by wealthy liberals and parroted by Maxine Waters and other lefty politicians sets off crazies on both sides. That’s by design.

  51. @Jefferson
    The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera. You had to be a big shot didn't ya you had to open up your mouth you had to have a white hot spotlight you had to be a big shot last night.

    The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera.

    My impression is that they’re virtually extinct. Did Geraldo really play a key role?

  52. @Johnson
    This guy read this site.

    That tells you something right there.

    All this proves that white men are the scourge of the earth.

    I preferred your old handle, Tiny Duck.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Shouldn't the new handle be "mini-Johnson"?
    , @fish
    Lets’s be honest.....given what we know ....shouldn’t it really be “Tiny Johnson”.
  53. I guess the ADL, which is sort of either the junior- or senior-league counterpart to the $PLC, has officially certified this as the deadliest Anti-Semitic incident in American history. That is has 11 bodies might prompt one to ask, if one has a sense of scale of atrocity in American history, whether that’s either an outrage or else a prompt for “wow, there really haven’t been that many serious anti-Semitic incidents in American history, Mr. Peabody.”

    Does the “AR-15 ‘style’ rifle” survive, Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, CNC machines, and 3D printing notwithstanding the blood of the Chosen? Survey sez?

    And what do the “blood of the Chosen” count for a week from an election, where “Cheeto Hitler” is moving the embassy to Jerusalem, the last dozen anti-Semitic incidents’ Caller ID was from Tel Aviv, and “Trump is a globalist” is a googleable phrase? Survey sez?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Who are you quoting and what are you talking about with "blood of the Chosen"? Google says it has something to do with Warcraft Online but I suspect it is merely part of whatever Bowersesque anti-Semitic fantasy you get off on.
    , @Fidelios Automata
    Yes, it was interesting how the mainstream media ramped up its anti-gun rhetoric after a lunatic gang-banger shot up a plurality-Jewish high school. Kind of reinforces the "Jewish controlled media" stereotype, doesn't it? We should prepare ourselves for even more unhinged propaganda this time.
  54. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    ... believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority.
     
    Your prescription is more than a bit oxymoronic, especially for those whose esteemed “way of life” is/was significantly (if unconsciously) defined by living amongst—shock and horror—an overwhelmingly white milieu and power structure.

    Seems like you’re doing your Wormtongue best to sugarcoat a fatal blackpill.

    It would be better if the United States remained a majority white country. By all means, work towards that goal. But making your entire worldview contingent on it marks you as an unserious person. You are in the midst of a great culture war against the woke social justice left, the stakes of which are the moral legitimacy of the nation-state itself. Your duty to oppose them doesn’t change if the white percentage of the population flips from 50% to 49.9%, and nobody other than cranks would follow a person who believed such a thing.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You are in the midst of a great culture war against the woke social justice left
     
    Heh. Dropping from 90% to 80% white (let alone the your threshold of 50%), especially among the electorate, was already a burgeoning “culture war” accelerator. You, a presumably serious person, are advocating a stance that will be lead to an increasingly chaotic future. If you can’t see how perennial racial strife and culture war are closely intertwined, you’re either blind or bullshitting.
  55. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    Ron, you must feel proud that Unz is now considered important enough that it is attracting a growing number of leftist trolls. Accusations of “you’re all rayyycist” add greatly to the educational value of the site. Welcome to the big leagues!

  56. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    pathetic from you…… I am awaiting the little duck to weigh in.

  57. @Redneck farmer
    "....thinks Trump is a globalist". Well, that's going to hurt the narrative.

    not really,even trump is not good enough for this retard.

  58. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    HIAS is helping refugees and poor people, as do the Quakers and the Lutherans and other religious welfare organizations. Yet the attack was on a synagogue, because the obsessive and negative focusing on the Jews. Like this blog.

  59. @Jefferson
    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.


    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    200 people have been shot and 46 of those were killed in Chicago just in the month of October alone. It is likely 80% were black and another 13% were Hispanic, based on the year’s percentages.

    Definitely not making the case that you think anything at all like Thomas Jefferson, or that you understand concepts like proportion, math, or narrative.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Thanks Sailer, for keeping my comments in purgatory while entire discussions continue on. The "I was sleeping all day" excuse doesn't fly when you're busy approving scores of other replies and counter replies. Just delete mine at this point.

    I'll try following the Jefferson, Thomm, Corvinus model of commenting. I'll be on the fast track to approval in no time.

  60. @onetwothree
    It's strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire. If someone wanted to devote himself to evil, there are effective ways. I won't mention them, but they exist. I think an ugly turning point will come when people realize this for themselves. But as long as the ridiculous "mass shooting" is the fashionable thing, it won't happen.

    I think you mean a mass-simultaneous-organic-collective-red pilling of THE HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS MAJORITY….there is safety in numbers….

    Imagine if 100,000 WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MEN had descended upon Charlottesville in August 2017….

  61. Well……what if White Genocide is true? What should be the proper response of millions of WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES? The epidemiology statistics are overwhelmingly clear about this:White Genocide is not a paranoid delusion…..it’s very real….Noam Chomsky:”White Males are dying…..”

  62. @TomInNOLA
    You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??

    Yeah I don’t think you want racial crime rates being discussed. For every synagogue that gets shot up, how many innocent whites are shot by angry blacks? Or how many churches have been shot up by deranged atheists?

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Or how many goys have been marched into death or disfigurement by warmongering (((neocons)))?
    , @Realist
    Then there are all the people Jews have slaughtered in the Middle East.
  63. @Thomas
    I guess the ADL, which is sort of either the junior- or senior-league counterpart to the $PLC, has officially certified this as the deadliest Anti-Semitic incident in American history. That is has 11 bodies might prompt one to ask, if one has a sense of scale of atrocity in American history, whether that's either an outrage or else a prompt for "wow, there really haven't been that many serious anti-Semitic incidents in American history, Mr. Peabody."

    Does the "AR-15 'style' rifle" survive, Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, CNC machines, and 3D printing notwithstanding the blood of the Chosen? Survey sez?

    And what do the "blood of the Chosen" count for a week from an election, where "Cheeto Hitler" is moving the embassy to Jerusalem, the last dozen anti-Semitic incidents' Caller ID was from Tel Aviv, and "Trump is a globalist" is a googleable phrase? Survey sez?

    Who are you quoting and what are you talking about with “blood of the Chosen”? Google says it has something to do with Warcraft Online but I suspect it is merely part of whatever Bowersesque anti-Semitic fantasy you get off on.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)
  64. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    Are you suggesting that all white gentiles share some blame for the Holocaust?

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    No, I don't. See my response to A Citizen Of A Silly Country when it appears, thanks.
  65. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    Still trying to have it both ways, Ron? I guess that’s why there’s not a big DONATE button at the top of every page. I know you pay your writers peanuts – that’s why you get so many monkeys contributing their columns – but surely the hosting costs a chunk of change. Big Jewish donors, huh? Can’t criticize the Jews, huh? No matter where you go, there they are.

  66. Since you brought up Westboro Baptist Church, a very small insular hard to join primitive Baptist group, their response is:

    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

    God Sent the Shooter and other videos:
    http://www.godhatesfags.com/video/signmovies.html

    Scroll down to ‘God Sent the Shooter’. I could not find a direct link and the unofficial versions on YouTube are vandalized with Nazi type symbols, possibly because the Westboro YouTube channel was shut down.

  67. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population.

    Given how American whites have been villified, impugned and dispossessed since 1965 their reaction thus far has been remarkably restrained. No other people would tolerate a race of interlopers in the Jews to gain so much power and use that power to replace the majority people via mass importation of racially alien stocks and organizing and inflaming those racial aliens against the white majority.

    A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics

    Great Point! Let’s sit around and become Brazil since things aren’t so bad down there. Except they are.

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
    You can blame it on our (way too much) reverence of such traits as rationality and individualism.

    Funny that rationality goes out the window when we (or rather our children) are made to fight people who they never knew even existed for the sake of Israel. Having made an enemy of such people, the survivors are then invited into white nations. I wonder what happens to our (whiteys') much vaunted rationality here!
  68. This is a terrible, stupid, senseless tragedy.

    this may sound quaint but I believe sacred spaces are just that…. not saying someone should kill someone anywhere, obviously but its particularly odious to do it in a sacred space. Security – including armed security has become a regular thing at my church at big events like Christmas, this was never the case before.

    But this is going to become huge political capital…

    Roosh quipped “It’s okay if you happen to miss the details of today’s synagogue shooting: you’ll be reminded of it daily for the next 70 years.”

    -also it looks like Gab’s provider is pulling hosting…

    – i suspect this will be the incident that makes the second amendment invalid.

    – a few years ago I read a book by a former mossad agent that claimed jewish groups used synagogues and cultural centers to store caches of weapons in case of a mass anti-semetic attack.

    one thing i am curious about with all the muslim terrorism in this country why have they rarely or ever targeted jews?

  69. @Jefferson
    "The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators."

    Any political ideology who's motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.


    "There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good."

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

    The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.

    Wrong wrong and wrong

    “Alt-Right” talking points that were basically unheard of outside of this comment section in 2011 are now on FOX NEWS every night to 4 million viewers.

    The “Alt-Right” is making a good play to replace basic bitch corporate conservatism. This could become the explicit political ideology of 70 million Americans…

    Don’t even try to @ me with some weak ass hair splitting crap about what “Alt Right” “really” refers to.

    • Replies: @Karlub

    Wrong wrong and wrong

    “Alt-Right” talking points that were basically unheard of outside of this comment section in 2011 are now on FOX NEWS every night to 4 million viewers.

    The “Alt-Right” is making a good play to replace basic bitch corporate conservatism. This could become the explicit political ideology of 70 million Americans…
     
    Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

    Entryists that crap on the buffet-- which, if your handle is anything to go by, feels like an accurate presumption-- do not get to take credit for the prime rib that was already there.
  70. We need to get back to the 19th century for it was a much more groovy time period in US History…

    Irish and Jewish Solidarity!!!….remember the good ol’ days of Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers….

    You should read Samuel Gompers testimony before the US Congress…….God Bless Jewish Socialist Labor Leader Samuel Gompers!!!……and don’t forget the Jew Confederate Shelby Foote…..

    Archie Bunker was really a Jew…..Norman Lear’s Father….

    • Replies: @Dissident

    You should read Samuel Gompers testimony before the US Congress
     
    Indeed.
    https://cis.org/Report/American-Unionism-and-US-Immigration-Policy

    Gompers was himself a Jewish immigrant (from England) as were many of the members and leaders of the unions affiliated with the AFL. [...]

    Thus, despite his own immigrant roots, Gompers recognized that organized labor's first responsibility was to protect the economic well-being of workers and not immigrants per se when there was a conflict in their respective interests. Thus, when Gompers assumed the presidency of the AFL, "he fathered the anti-immigration policy of the AFL."4
     

    Gompers, speaking in its support, proclaimed that "immigration is working a great injury to the people of our country."8
     
    Also quite remarkable, in light of the dramatic shift that Respectable opinion on immigration has taken over the years, are the views of such iconic black leaders as Barbara Jordan and even Coretta Scott King on the matter.

    I believe that it has been noted here, as well, that at one time The Sierra Club had taken a restrictionist position on immigration.

    Archie Bunker was really a Jew…..Norman Lear’s Father….
     
    I do recall reading some time back, I believe in a comment to this blog, that Bunker (the iconic lead character from the 1970's television sitcom All in The Family) was indeed based on Lear's own father. If true (or even if just a widely-publicized rumor), then I wonder if it might account for something I still struggle to make sense of: My late father insisting, in the course of a casual conversation, that (John) Carroll O'Connor, the actor who played Bunker, was a member of The (((our))) Tribe. (I have not ruled-out the possibility that my father was merely testing the limits of my credulity-- especially in light of the fact that he also once made the same claim about Luciano Pavarotti...)
  71. @DFH
    It hasn't been a great year for the Alt-Right

    Well….The alt left has certainly surpassed them in political violence. Given this guy’s apparent love of Hitler and national socialism, there can be little doubt that this was another violent leftist.

  72. Trump’s luck is running out. In 2016, the most newsworthy mass murders we’re by second generation Muslim immigrants. I know second generation immigrant is an oxymoron but in those cases it fit

  73. @Realist
    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the 'bomber' and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    You know the Saudis were like, ” phew ! long news cycle uh ? lets head back to the palace for pizza and concubines saleeem. ”

    Who knows really. Maybe one in ten of these habbenings has some nefarious behind the scenes protaganist. You can’t say the Russians ! are responsible for everything, and discount other groups picking up on that. If the US can be influenced by some goons dickin around on twitter, hell lets run a few double blinds up the flag pole and see if we can point things in the direction of our interests.

    Unleash the krackens !

  74. @Jefferson
    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.


    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    Your concern trolling is admirable.

  75. More Irish-Jew cooperation:boxer Jack Dempsey…….

  76. @Hhsiii
    The generation that fought the war that ended the regime that committed the holocaust came back to this.

    https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014

    Different things and magnitude, and doesn’t have much to do with immigration, but as long as we are talking about registering.

    This non-Trump voting, anti-Semitic maniac isn’t particularly representative. Like most psychos, he’s kinda sui generics. Like Mr. Sayoc. Although at least the latter doesn’t seem like he wanted to hurt anyone.

    Believed in the superiority of whites, angry at “filthy” Jews for enabling “filthy” Muslims and highly violent central Americans to invade the US. Looks to be have been specifically triggered by the migrant caravan. Sounds pretty typical apart from thinking Trump was too soft.

    • Agree: European-American
  77. @Jefferson
    "The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators."

    Any political ideology who's motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.


    "There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good."

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

    It’s a good question that vanguard movements usually attract people with mental illness. There are a certain glamour, mainly in artistic and even scientific vanguard movements, about eccentric people. The best of them are intelligent , of course, but often misfit, nonconformist people. Perfectly fit and intelligent people usually don’t care about to change the world. They only want to understand the current rules of the world and adapt to it, to succeed. This explain why thee are so many competent people in academia and media that are indifferent or support the current Western values.

  78. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    Quite the logical leap just to shill for open borders. Let no crisis go to waste….

    • Agree: Dissident
  79. @TomInNOLA
    You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??

    Oy vey!

  80. There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That’s something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn’t socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that’s a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is “ban all criticism of Jews,” which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @James Bowery
    "So what can be done?"

    Stop destroying the lives of people who talk openly about Jewish power, whether "on the decline" or not.

    Once that milestone is accomplished, then we might have a civil conversation about Jewish power and its supposed lack of importance.
    , @Samuel Skinner

    At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy.
     
    Segregation was dismantled. You are going to have to overturn established law, amend/rewrite the constitution and eliminate the left in order to make a replacement. It is simpler to imagine a dictator taking power and fixing things then this occurring though democratic means.
    , @Svigor

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.
     
    HBD matters.

    Until the topic turns to the Jews. Then it's leftism, all the way down.
    , @Anon
    How many Jews own media outlets? How many Jews are involved in finance? How many Jews are CEOs of tech companies? How many Jews run Hollywood studios?

    Does this look like a decline in power to you? It sure doesn't to me. These people are all proportionally much richer than they were back in the 1950s or so, thanks to American capitalism, and they have billions available to donate to everything they think will upset the American applecart. Look at George Soros, for example.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years...'

    Now, I distinctly recall the entire Congress of the United States feeling impelled to give seventeen standing ovations to a foreign head of state -- and that was considerably less than fifteen years ago.

    Who was that head of state again? What people did he represent? Who were the leading contributors to the campaigns of the presidential candidates of both parties? What country are we all but openly seeking war with? On whose behalf are we doing that?

    If only Jewish power were in decline -- and if only there was no Israel. I doubt I'd think about Jews any more than I think about Anabaptists.

    , @Mr. Anon

    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.
     
    Huh? How do you figure that? There's a whole generation alive today who's history and mythology consists of Marvel and DC Comic book movies. It's not uncommon nowadays to find grown men talking about the latest Avengers movie as if it were f**king Tolstoi.
    , @Marty T
    "The Jews" of the present and future are comprised of (1) partial Jews with substantial gentile or asian ancestry and (2) mostly right wing orthodox and hasidic. The Jew-haters who post here spout tropes from half a century ago.

    And here's a tip - because many of the smarter whites will have some jewish ancestry, the right (and alt-right) will need them on their side. At least some of them.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Unfortunately, the black robes outlawed "separate but equal" back in 1954.
    , @TheJester
    I'm reminded of the declaration of a Jew decades ago that a person could not be elected dog catcher if the Jews opposed him. What are the chances that a person could be elected dog catcher in podunk wherever if the Jews could front $12 million dollars against him? That is the governing dynamic driving Amerian politics?

    Another issue: The Jewish lobby used to "hit on" Congressmen once they were elected. That proved problematic and embarrassing if the Congressmen were patriots and refused the threats and/or the money. Then, the Jewish lobby changed its tactics to set up "farm teams" of eligible candidates who were preselected for their allegiance to Israel. Many of the candidates that you see on the ballot are graduates from Jewish "farm teams".

    Frank Keating, Governor of Oklahoma from 1995 to 2003 was from one of these "farm teams". He was, for a short period of time, a potential candidate for vice-president on George Bush's team. That collapsed when it was leaked that a Jewish banker on Wall Street had been padding his income by giving thousands of dollars a year to his children for an extended period of time.

    https://newsok.com/article/2728052/cathy-keating-wants-family-to-be-left-alone

    Such are the dynamics of contemporary American politics ... Jewish "farm teams", successful Jewish-approved political candidates, Jewish control of Congress.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.
     
    Talk honestly about Jewish power in this country and see what that does for your career and life. Then get back to me about the waning of Jewish power.

    Jews play for keeps, which is why I respect them.

    Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.
     
    See my comment above.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that’s a problem.
     
    Jews haven't been dehumanized. People are simply finally talking about what Jewish leaders are doing to gentile Whites. That's not dehumanizing. It's point out actions and strategies.

    But the typically proffered remedy for this is “ban all criticism of Jews,” which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.
     
    How do you think Jews reached this pinnacle on which they stand? By playing nice? No. They got here by fighting and being ruthless. Good for them. You think that they'll just take your criticism and change their ways?

    I know 5-year-olds more mature than you.

    At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy.
     
    That's the first step to separate nations (and possibly massive violence). You understand that, right?

    It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbS2KSRUVHo
    , @bomag

    formal nationalities policy... allowing for communal rights
     
    Good idea, but it won't fly because certain "historically disadvantaged minorities" have communal rights NOW under which they can loot YT, so all is good under the current arrangement; no need to change.
  81. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    There are very few “furious antisemitic rants” here, you’re talking about The Sin Of Noticing.

    I don’t think anyone here agrees with slaughtering people because they belong to “the wrong group”, which is more than we can say about some other political strands.

  82. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    The reality is that, despite the accepted narrative that white males are crazy killers, they get news headlines while black killers–even those motivated by express racial animosity–don’t because dog bites man isn’t news while man bites dog is news.

  83. Cut the cucking, boys. No, yesterday’s massacre didn’t help anyone, least of all us, the shooter’s fellow travellers. But simply echoing leftist rhetoric and countersignalling this guy isn’t doing us any favors either. He is one of us. He did something foolish, he has been arrested and he will never see the light of day again. There’s no need whatsoever to pile on him, virtue signal against him or start popping black pills. Note how the left reacted to the baseball game shooter last year. When they weren’t praising the guy, they were pretending the whole incident never happened. Has this harmed the left? Of course not. We must emulate the ways the left has gained and maintained power, and this clearly precludes the countersignalling I’m seeing in this post and its responses. Let’s put his victims squarely at the feet of the left.

  84. @Jefferson
    "It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right"

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    Well, the mainstream Left seems pretty unsympathetic with their screaming in restaurants and elevators, accusations without evidence, and their share of violence.

    The Left wins the likability contest in the age of mass media by promising free stuff for everyone. The Right has to explain that nothing is free, and by then they are playing damage control.

    But long term the money eventually runs out, and it becomes a matter of what right wing, conservative regime will prevail.

  85. @27 year old
    A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

    Your contempt for us all has been noted. Now what? Why not put together some arguments and evidence to convince us of whatever you’ve got simmering between your ears?

  86. @Jefferson
    The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera. You had to be a big shot didn't ya you had to open up your mouth you had to have a white hot spotlight you had to be a big shot last night.

    “The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera.”

    It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    You are referring to the Antifa residents of Willowbrook....
    , @miss marple
    Current conditions aren't like a Belview of yore but the people who end up running and working in such facilities aren't much of an improvement.
    , @3g4me
    @51 prosa123: "It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway."

    Yeah, I too have no love lost for Jerry Rivers, but his expose was a small part of the problem. I had a paternal uncle, a psychologist, whose "proudest achievement" (according to his obituary) was the de-institutionalizing of the mentally ill in his home state. May his corpse rot and his soul burn.
  87. @Jefferson
    "“….thinks Trump is a globalist”. Well, that’s going to hurt the narrative."

    If you mass shoot up synagogues or you are a swastika flag waving LARPer than Donald Trump Trump is a globalist compared to you.

    one positive part of this horrible tragedy is that the guy was a trump basher.

  88. @Inquiring Mind
    OK, who here tagged this post as Troll?

    Disagree with him if you choose, but Ron Unz hosts this fine place.

    Maybe it was it was a joke, not good taste on this particular thread IMHO.

  89. All disputes are, at bottom, theological.

  90. It’s a big country. We will always have homicidal lunatics among us. But the insane Left blames Trump for everything, including bad weather (“Climate Change”). Everything from hangnails to the extinction of the dinosaurs is Trump’s fault. Trump was and is just a canny showman, who had the perception to see an opening for an anti-Third World immigration candidate in the 2016 presidential race. The Invasion continues because Trump’s party (the contemptible & Judas-like Republicans) want it to continue. The only reason the GOP united to push Kavanaugh through is because the always united Dems would have certainly feasted on the next GOP Bush stooge who might get in their way on the road to more power. The Senate GOP hacks had no choice but to defend themselves against the Stalinist Dem femme banshees who were out for buckets of blood and nothing less. The perjury of “Dr.” Blasey-Ford was just a warm-up act. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

  91. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    Valuable list, thanks

  92. I betcha that notorious Jewish Mass Murderer, the late Congressman Steven Solarz…if he were alive in 2018…….would be enthusiastically calling for mass murder of Shia Muslim Iranians and Russian Orthodox Christians in the Eastern Ukraine….And Congressman Steven Solarzs would be making this case for mass murder with no consequences….on Twitter…..

    Congressman Steven Solarzs was single-handedly responsibly for the mass murder in Iraq in 1991 and the creation of the crippled freaks paraded around on the endless Wounded Warrior Project Infomercials……..I have very great fears, and many sleepless nights, thinking about Family members of mine now serving in the US Army…..canon fodder for the evil ghost of Steven Solarzs….

    Bouser is small potatoes campared to the late Steven Solarzs….

    Of the 4 posts I have made so far in this thread….Steve….this one really needs to get posted…..for it is the GD TRUTH!!!

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Bowers....not Bouser...
  93. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.


    We should probably be grateful that the left isn’t as competent at fomenting the death and destruction they espouse. Right wing extremists are probably less inclined to this sort of terrorism on average, but are more effective when it comes to execution.

    Not that the right’s nuts and losers are very effective either. The laat thing the world needs are more one man Al Quedas like Anders Breivik.

  94. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Indeed, just like we can hang around the necks of all Jews the actions of Baruch Goldstein, who stormed a mosque in the West Bank and gunned down 29 Arabs . Many Jews were outraged by this, mainly because the Arabs fought back and killed Goldstein. Didn’t they get the memo that one Jewish life is worth more than 10,000 Gentile lives?

    Although maybe the ante’s now been upped to 100,000 Gentile lives, according to this story.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-why-more-u-s-jews-will-walk-off-birthright-this-summer-1.6269655

    • Replies: @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0cDU0T53fA
  95. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    “Why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?”

    Lurker, what you really want to know is whether there’s a chance that Cesar Sayoc was a “useful idiot” for leftist political operatives, operatives who (somehow) manipulated him into sending the “bombs” to various high-profile Democrats.

    While that is certainly possible, there is no proof at this moment that Sayoc had an intelligence handler, one who could have maneuvered him – James Earl Ray style , a definite “useful idiot” – into taking the fall for these “bombs”.

    So, your implication is not necessarily wrong, but for now, there is no sign that you are right.

    Find the evidence.

  96. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    Unz, your attempt to smear the immigration patriot right with responsibility for the violence beloved among the holders of anti-semitic views you’ve recently been promoting is cowardly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Please shut up until a white shooter targets Mexicans or immigrants.

  97. @Bill P
    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That's something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn't socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that's a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is "ban all criticism of Jews," which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it's time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

    “So what can be done?”

    Stop destroying the lives of people who talk openly about Jewish power, whether “on the decline” or not.

    Once that milestone is accomplished, then we might have a civil conversation about Jewish power and its supposed lack of importance.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anon

    “So what can be done?”

    Stop destroying the lives of people who talk openly about Jewish power, whether “on the decline” or not.

    Once that milestone is accomplished, then we might have a civil conversation about Jewish power and its supposed lack of importance.
     
    Good post.
    , @Anonymous
    Even most Jews with very conservative, far right, or Alt-Right views and sympathies, like many Jewish readers and commentors at The Unz Review, are very uncomfortable and defensive about the topic of "jewish power" and regard it as irrelevant and a red herring promoted by anti-Semites.
  98. @prosa123
    "The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera."

    It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.

    You are referring to the Antifa residents of Willowbrook….

  99. @Almost Missouri
    I preferred your old handle, Tiny Duck.

    Shouldn’t the new handle be “mini-Johnson”?

  100. @CAL2
    "Don't worry, we can be just like Brazil," is something no one with some intelligence has ever said. Brazil the country of tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. It's a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy. Whites tend to live in highly secure areas. It sounds like paradise (sarc).

    It’s a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy.

    This may be so, but if it is, it’s rather easy to adapt to such a state of affairs. Full blown anarchy is not a feature in daily life, not in my limited experience. (I estimate I’m in the top 5% here as far as quality of life is concerned, though)

    Also, and I mean this without malice, I go around in public without worrying that a madman will start shooting people indiscriminately. Squads of criminals may come and rob you at gunpoint, which must be a truly awful experience (haven’t been through it), or, in the more violent areas, you might be struck by a bullet meant to kill someone else, but no random, heavily armed wacko will decide that simply because you happen to be there, in the wrong place at the wrong time, you and a dozen other people have to die. That a man will enter a synagogue, or a black Christian church, or a white Christian church, or a theater, or a school, and declare death to all those attending — for reasons known only to himself — almost never happens here (to paraphrase Mr. ”Cool Guy” Obama, at least not like it does in the United States, but also in Canada and even in Europe).

    And yet we have 63,000 homicides a year, in a country 2/3s the size of the US. A bloodbath. Go figure.

  101. U.S. domestic violence in no way compares to this kind of violence:

    Israel-Palestine Timeline

    At least 247 Palestinians (46 children) and 11 Israelis (0 children) have been killed by someone from the other side in 2018.

    The youngest victim was Kamal Mohammad al-Yaziji, , and the oldest victim was Mohammad Ata Abu Jame’, 59. Click on the names for more information and sources.

    https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/2018deaths/

    • Replies: @Anon
    In 2018 over 600 Christian Papuans in occupied Papua have been killed by Muslim Indonesian invaders. Hundreds of Papuan women have been raped. Since Indonesia has been occupying Papua since 1963 , they have killed over half a million Papuans.
  102. @War for Blair Mountain
    I betcha that notorious Jewish Mass Murderer, the late Congressman Steven Solarz...if he were alive in 2018.......would be enthusiastically calling for mass murder of Shia Muslim Iranians and Russian Orthodox Christians in the Eastern Ukraine....And Congressman Steven Solarzs would be making this case for mass murder with no consequences....on Twitter.....

    Congressman Steven Solarzs was single-handedly responsibly for the mass murder in Iraq in 1991 and the creation of the crippled freaks paraded around on the endless Wounded Warrior Project Infomercials........I have very great fears, and many sleepless nights, thinking about Family members of mine now serving in the US Army.....canon fodder for the evil ghost of Steven Solarzs....

    Bouser is small potatoes campared to the late Steven Solarzs....

    Of the 4 posts I have made so far in this thread....Steve....this one really needs to get posted.....for it is the GD TRUTH!!!

    Bowers….not Bouser…

  103. I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    • Disagree: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @El Dato
    Welcome to the Real World where things are being said and things happen.

    Especially as the population density increases and the future does not seem too bountyful.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Your concerns are valid but the only peaceful way out of the current mess is more talk. The old arrangements were falling apart anyway, even before this massacre in Pittsburgh. Having the mass media play the role of the Ministry of Truth (with David Duke as their Emmanuel Goldstein) is no longer viable. There's going to be a lot of uncontrollable chatter about Jews and Jewish power, whether people welcome it or not.

    One of the biggest reasons the chatter will continue is the apparently irrepressible desire Jewish journalists, politicians and celebrities have for saying they oppose policy X or Y "as a Jew". Those who favour policies X or Y can't help but resent an attempt to play this trump card.
    , @Johann Ricke

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    This logic could be applied to just about every category of political criticism. In practice, legal sanctions will be applied only to right-wing critiques of left-wingery.
    , @Rosie

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.
    , @BenKenobi
    So much concern trolling in this thread.

    So much crying out in pain while striking.
    , @Rich
    Free speech is actually one of the antidotes to violence. When you forbid people to speak about an issue, their only response becomes violence. This individual in Pittsburgh didn't attack and kill all those senior citizens in that synagogue because he had free speech rights, he did it because he had a screw loose.

    Free speech should never be limited or banned.
    , @Lot
    "the antisemitic commentary around here"

    In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown, and a wide range of views that the Uncle Leos of the ADL would call antisemitic, you should be more specific about "around here" and "antisemitic."

    ----

    Even after yesterday, I do not change my view one whit that third world immigration to the West is the greatest threat to Jews and native Europeans generally. If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn't be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.
    , @Zumbuddi
    A better argument, that takes account of recent history and that has understood Ron Unz's Pravda series, would hold precisely the opposite:

    when free exercise of First Amendment rights are relegated to "tiny Unz" , if not, indeed, outright censored by ADL, Facebook, Youtube etc, it is totally predictable that someone will react explosively; that in a pitical system where power is way out of equilibrium, that person will be a disempowered kook (if not a manipulated patsy); and that the target will be a comparatively weak affiliate of the censoring group.

    "The answer to offensive speech is MORE speech," but what is occurring is more censorship, when what is needed is MORE "tiny Unzes."

    Anybody who has used toothpaste should understand this.

    , @dvorak
    Jack D is a Boomer and is not made for our era, the Weimerican Century.
    , @Anon
    Sounds reasonable to me.
    , @Colin Wright
    'I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.'

    Freedom has always had a cost. We could ban all cars capable of going more than five mph and sharply reduce the death toll from traffic accidents -- but we choose not to.

    Enforcing draconian bars on freedom of speech might well reduce the number of incidents such as yesterday's attack. I still want to be free.

    , @Desiderius
    Playing coy will avail you exactly nothing.

    If you’d have us take the side of those coming to shut down this forum and further curtail our God-given rights make your case like a man.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Welp, and here's the "We must make special rules to 'protect' Jews" contingent.
    , @Jefferson
    "I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?"


    The Unz attracts as many mentally ill people as the Mariel boatlift to Miami did.

    https://youtu.be/kZgE_sUrXFY

    You ever been to a mental hospital? Yeah everytime I browse The Unz.
    , @bucky
    Anti-semitic talk of the more benign variety sort of plays a role as "noise" or a "foundation" which can lead to more serious actions unfortunately as we have seen yesterday.

    For all the talk about Jews not being white, you have to realize that black nationalists sort of see Jews as the ultimate whites.

    Unz is not especially convincing as a white nationalist, I'm afraid. He comes across more as a tired contrarian, perhaps he has a sense of noblesse oblige towards the white proletariat than and is trying to defang defamatory attacks against them. He does not come across as someone who is truly in his heart a hateful person.

    To an extent, his crusade is noble, as there often is overstep in the demonization of the white proletariat. But there also is truth to the stereotype, as we saw yesterday, and Unz has gone too far in that direction, I'm afraid. There's still room to take a step back.
    , @GW
    Consequentialism has to be the worst form of moral reasoning.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    What does that mean - "within American First Amendment traditions"? Is that some subtle way of saying you favor suppressing speech that you consider to be anti-semitic? Or is it an unsubtle way of saying it?

    "First Amendment Traditions" - i.e., the traditions founded by my people, not yours.
    , @Anon

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    What were this guy's grievances? One tweet I saw indicated he was upset about mass immigration and Jewish support of it.

    Would Jewish individuals and organizations speaking out publicly against open borders and anti-White propaganda help lower the risk of something like this happening? When was the last time the ADL went after an anti-White statement or screed in the NYT, Washington Post, or elsewhere?
    , @International Jew
    There's no question that the Internet has facilitated the spread of bad ideas, but it's also given good ideas more exposure. And there's no way to silence bad ideas, that doesn't end up being "worse than the disease".

    iSteve is at once a purveyer of the worst ideas and of some of the best.

    Thanks to my iSteve habit, I understand exactly where Robert Bowers was coming from. If there were no iSteve, I'd be scratching my head like everyone else.
    , @J.Ross
    So your premise is that unstable violent crazies can be safe sane people. And all we have to do to achieve that is a little bit of not having the Constitution any more. And Thomas Friedman drooling blood about converting a European city to a stone age hole doesn't count because, of course, when we jettison the Constitution we're also jettisonning equal protection.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Things hit a little close to home and some people are ready to start mutilating the First Amendment. Are we all a bunch of pussies? To live free you must be willing to live with some risk. It makes no sense to reduce your freedom because ten or twelve people among three-hundred-thirty million got shot at.

    You are a smart man, so you cannot possibly be serious.

    Have white men like us called for speech restrictions on the MSM, academia and political groups, against all the things they say that stir up hatred and violence against us? Have you ever seen us call for that here? No, you haven't. Instead, we argue against "hate speech" laws and the very concept.

    Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, "Give me liberty or give me death." Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?

    Of course you do. With all due respect, relax.
    , @vinteuil

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    Well, it's *mostly* relatively harmless, if only because guys like Wally are such caricatures that they only inspire a bit of a giggle - and it's definitely within American first Amendment traditions - but, yes, such talk is potentially dangerous. I wish we could get a little more moderation, at whim, especially on RKU's & Giraldi's posts.
    , @Anon
    As the ADL might so calmly put it when a Jew is a naughty boy: "this type of violence (or speech) is counterproductive".

    However, you are unduly discounting the fact that the Jewish war of attrition on whites is carried out via political influence, wealth, and pressure that, at its root, was and is possible because they chose to wedge their way into multiple societies while refusing to integrate.

    Their indirect acts of murder through political policy and influence completely eclipses any death toll through random terrorism, and yet eleven deaths would have you waive your rights to or avenues of free speech? Do you know who you are fighting, exactly?

    The very intentional Jewish inflicted death toll on Americans during the USS Liberty incident, alone, is not yet nearly met with equal reprisal: if you want to get technical and start counting (not what I'm suggesting). And you wish to give up your free speech?

    What benefit did American Whites gain from giving up 500k men in WWII? How about for giving up 500k men in the civil War? We gained a stronger war against us, is what.

    You aren't meant for the reality of the political world, with all due respect.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    … within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder — is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    Totally irrelevant.

    Life is full of danger. The mortality rate for each person stands at 100%, AFAICT. If Jews or any other group or individuals are afraid of being physically attacked, they should arm up and be capable fighters.

    The question for legitimate and loyal citizens of “The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” is: How does one conduct oneself while living? For freedom-loving true Americans, the idea of broadly censoring non-violent legal speech, or banning weapons, is anathema.

    Any termite in the US who considers the First Amendment a mere “tradition” should consider emigrating ASAP.
  104. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    Did the GOP baseball shooting empower the GOP?

    Have any mass shootings targeting whites empowered whites?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    No, because the GOP and whites don't seem to have control of the media megaphone.

    What counts more is who, whom in the media, rather than the who whom of the atrocity itself.
  105. @Jefferson
    "It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right"

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    Some call the Neo-Nazi types “alt-retard”.

  106. @Carl
    Because they're violent psychopaths?

    “Because they’re violent psychopaths?”

    Possibly, although here’s something curious:

    CBS Miami reported that “A law enforcement official said late Friday that Sayoc had been living in a white van after he got kicked out by his parents’ house.

    The official said, Sayoc told investigators that the “pipe bombs wouldn’t have hurt anyone and that he didn’t want to hurt anyone.”

    Say what?

    Every other media outlet has reported that the guy wanted to kill Democrats.

    The obvious follow-up question, unasked by the MSM (predictably), is “so why did you send the “bombs” then?”

    Were the authorities afraid that Sayoc’s answer might have been something along the lines of “I was doing as told?”

    Don’t “violent psychopaths” proudly proclaim their desire to kill innocent people loudly to the press after they’ve been caught?

    What kind of “violent psychopath” claims he didn’t want to hurt anybody?

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/10/26/11th-suspicious-package-found-at-florida-mail-facility/

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    What kind of “violent psychopath” claims he didn’t want to hurt anybody?
     
    One who is neither violent nor a psychopath, obviously.
  107. ZOG de-platformed Gab over this and they will probably be coming for Sailer this time. Look at the pogrom they launched after Dylan Roof. They don’t even like blacks very much and they spent two years toppling statues and attacking white people.

    Imagine what comes after a direct assault on their own.

    Good luck Ron and Steve.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Anon
    I can see them coming after you and Ron but Steve hasn't done anything wrong. Are you just playing misery loves company by adding Steve to your pathetic group. I bet we will all have a great laugh when you are exposed and we can compare your reality to your online persona.
    , @Mr. Rational
    If they are THAT megalomaniacal and intolerant of criticism, they deserve every bit of hate that's coming to them... and everything that comes with it.
  108. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

    That doesn’t mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.

    This is a particularly perspicacious comment. I appreciate the empathy and consideration. I would eagerly read more of what you write.

    btw, I am as horrified to hear about this anti-semitic attack as anyone else. I never for an instant harbored this type of animosity and hatred towards Jewish people.

  109. @prosa123
    "The number of mass shootings in The U.S have definitely increased after the closing down of many mental institutions in the 1970s, thanks a lot Geraldo Rivera."

    It pains me a bit to defend Geraldo, but he had little or nothing to do with the closing of mental hospitals. He became famous with his 1972 expose of the barbaric conditions in a residential center for the mentally retarded. By that time the closing of mental hospitals for the mentally ill was well underway.

    Current conditions aren’t like a Belview of yore but the people who end up running and working in such facilities aren’t much of an improvement.

  110. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    This sounds just like some crappy dialog in a jewish made hollywood movie, something Schwarzenegger could have said. It is also reminds of flight 93’s famous:

    “Are you ready? Okay. Let’s roll.”

    This is clearly one giant (((psyop))) for stupid goyim and even stupider jews. The timing is perfect as is the target: gun-crazed angry white males. Once again, it came straight off of some jewish script writers storyboard.

    And what was the motive? Did this guy believe killing a few jews would solve the countries problems in the same way they would have us believe that Paddock thought shooting hundreds from the Mandalay, directly in front of the Luxor pyramid and the sphynx, would?

  111. @Carl
    Because they're violent psychopaths?

    Because they’re violent psychopaths?”

    In addition to being brain dead stupid.

  112. Isn’t it possible that someone shot up a synagogue but that a false narrative was produced for the public. This one for the further inculcation of white America that all would be immigrants are gentle, functional, deserving refugees and if you don’t accept any and all comers you’re a latent psycho killer.

    This isn’t the first shooting in which I’ve sensed something a bit off about details provided to the public. I have assumed that this was necessary for either national security or even to protect the privacy of victims. I’ve also come to believe that acts of Muslim terrorism have been covered up to deny such terrorists the additional impact on the US public. Such a strategy might also reduce the number of terror attacks since they will not be recognized.

  113. @Jefferson
    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.


    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    Take a statistics class. I beg of you.

  114. @Bill P
    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That's something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn't socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that's a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is "ban all criticism of Jews," which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it's time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

    At this point, maybe it’s time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy.

    Segregation was dismantled. You are going to have to overturn established law, amend/rewrite the constitution and eliminate the left in order to make a replacement. It is simpler to imagine a dictator taking power and fixing things then this occurring though democratic means.

  115. @Edward
    Awful attack. In my view, we all need to calm down a bit. The current political atmosphere in the United States isn’t pretty, and it’s getting worse here in Europe too.

    Yes. The murder in that black church was horrible. I’m sure even people who hate blacks would worry last about the ones attending church.

    Instead it was used to further the cold civil war. We need to turn down the heat.

  116. The comments today are not as horrible as I imagined. Good to know I can still read Sailer. I’ve been with him since the 1990s but lately the comments section had been making me think of giving up on the best long term writer on the internet.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I don't like or agree with everything Mr. Sailer has to say, but it's usually biased in the exact opposite direction as the MSM, which makes it invaluable as a corrective. Read the NYT, read WaPo, read the Atlantic, read National Review, and read Sailer, and you'll probably have as good a guess as anyone as to what the truth is.

    The fact that what he says has a suspicious tendency to wind up in the MSM 2-4 weeks later, often in bowdlerized form (Douthat and Brooks are the worst offenders, though also useful conduits for his thought), gives the pleasure of anticipating the trends one sees elsewhere in the MSM and leads one to suspect that others are reading him too, if only to know the truths they must avoid saying.

    If a fair history's ever written, he must probably be accounted one of the predominant political writers of our time...not that such a fair history is likely to be written, of course. I fully expect the unholy alliance of neoliberalism (global capitalism) and Diversity to win, and to subject field after field of life to disparate impact calculations. Already we are seeing the penetration of the hard sciences. The Romans took in invaders, the Muslims fell to theocracy, and the Chinese turned inward at just the wrong time. No doubt future Chinese mandarins will chortle at the foolishness of our diversity obsession and terror of eugenics as their engineered Aspie scientists leave ours in the dust.

    But, hey, we are all lost in the march of history anyway. At least you can go to your grave knowing you read Averroes over al-Ghazali.

    And some of you with game can bear children to preserve something in the long night ahead.
    , @anonymous

    I’ve been with him since the 1990s but lately the comments section had been making me think of giving up on the best long term writer on the internet.
     
    Come on, now. Step up and be a man and state your objections to the comments. Your post has the whiff of the usual censorship by blackmail one sees pop up here from time to time.
  117. @Realist
    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the 'bomber' and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    > It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month

    “It strains credulity that events X, Y, Z, which are totally unlike, are not related”

    Really

    • Replies: @Realist

    “It strains credulity that events X, Y, Z, which are totally unlike, are not related”

    Really
     
    X, Y and Z are very much alike. They are all political statements and are used by the left and MSM, but I repeat myself, to casting aspersions on Trump supporters.....really!
  118. Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents “motherfucker” as much as they like, but call an opponent “camelfucker” and you are going to jail–because that is racist, you see. Call him a “sissy camelfucker” and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.

    The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign–and this should be discussed–but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases–mostly incels or childless–who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    > Timothy McVeigh

    Yeah, about that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgfi1QZILxk

    Timothy is probably alive and well in Argentina.


    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign–and this should be discussed–but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork...
     
    And thus the influence of Jewish money in western society should not be talked about?
    , @miss marple
    Too bad you're not childless.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    A Wikipedia entry as the one for Gregg Easterbrook?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Easterbrook

    Actually, his Wikipedia entry doesn't list that for which Mr. Easterbrook is most notorious.

    I regard him as a "thinking man's James Fallows." Whereas he writes essays for "respectable" venues such as Atlantic and The New Republic, on "respectable" topics such as the environment or national defense spending, his thoughts sometimes take him to contrarian or iconoclastic positions. For example, it was Easterbrook who wrote about how the cheaper Northrup F-20 may be a better figher plane than the General Dynamics F-16, so why was the U. S. Air Force ignoring the F-20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark

    His notoriety, however, derives from the time that he thought-out-loud an iconoclastic thought in public (I am paraphrasing), "When so many Jews are victims of violent attacks, in Israel, here at home, and in many other parts of the world, why do Jewish executives in Hollywood think it is a good idea to derive corporate profits from so many films glorifying violence?"

    Who boy, did that get a reaction, for Crimethink on three separate levels. One was thinking that words or actions by specific Jewish persons could in any way even remotely contribute to or in the slightest way be responsible for Jews as a group being victims of violence connected to anti-Semitic hate. The second was invoking the anti-Semitic stereotype of monetary greed, especially the alleged pursuit of profits in disregard of any ethical or moral or social consequences. The third was the anti-Semitic trope that "(the) Jews run Hollywood."

    Given the buzz saw of public criticism Mr. Easterbrook ran into, I was thinking that he would get un-personed, air-brushed out of the Party photos. Commenting at Little Green Footballs, which was the Blog of Noticing of its day in the era before Charles Johnson terminated his post 9-11 truce with the conservative, neo-conservative and nativist Right, I ran into that same buzz saw by attempting to defend Easterbrook in suggesting that, yes, there are persons of Jewish heritage who serve as Hollywood executives, this material fact may have been the consequence of many Hollywood founders migrating to the U.S. as a result of Czarist-era persecution. Under the Hayes Code a Jewish movie executive accepted the wisdom of restrictions on movie content set by a Catholic priest as a win-win both for studio profits and social peace, so suggesting that movie moguls had a self interest in moderating the content of their movies (think of the recent iSteve thread where violent movies are discussed), wasn't off base. Other commenters at LGF called my arguments "garbage."

    This latest tragedy is a Progressive Agenda two-fer. Because a person off-their-nut shoots and kills people, we have to give up our guns. Because a white anti-Semite off-his-nut shoots and kills Jewish people, we have to give up any public remarks regarding how either specific Jewish persons or factions within or the Jewish community as a whole participate in our multi-cultural American society?
    , @Jefferson
    "From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases–mostly incels or childless"

    The irony that the vast majority of the heroes of the Alt-Right like Richard Bowers, Christopher Cantwell, Dylann Roof, Adolf Hitler, etc have fathered ZERO White offsprings.

    The Alt-Right might as well just be cat ladies who happen to hate Jews with their extremely low breeding rate.

    , @Mr. Anon

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same.
     
    John Wilkes Booth hardly belongs in that list. He wasn't an incel or a loser. He wasn't a mass murderer. He was a political assassin. He viewed himself as a modern Brutus to Lincoln's Caesar. One may agree or disagree with his actions, but it is not the same thing.
  119. @Jefferson
    "The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators."

    Any political ideology who's motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.


    "There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good."

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

    Any political ideology who’s motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics.

    Doesn’t seem to bother Elizabeth Warren …

  120. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    Reichtagsbrand … happened to not be a false flag.

  121. @Jonathan Mason
    Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents "motherfucker" as much as they like, but call an opponent "camelfucker" and you are going to jail--because that is racist, you see. Call him a "sissy camelfucker" and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.

    The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign--and this should be discussed--but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/97/Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg/220px-Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases--mostly incels or childless--who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.

    > Timothy McVeigh

    Yeah, about that.

    Timothy is probably alive and well in Argentina.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign–and this should be discussed–but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork…

    And thus the influence of Jewish money in western society should not be talked about?

  122. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Welcome to the Real World where things are being said and things happen.

    Especially as the population density increases and the future does not seem too bountyful.

  123. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Your concerns are valid but the only peaceful way out of the current mess is more talk. The old arrangements were falling apart anyway, even before this massacre in Pittsburgh. Having the mass media play the role of the Ministry of Truth (with David Duke as their Emmanuel Goldstein) is no longer viable. There’s going to be a lot of uncontrollable chatter about Jews and Jewish power, whether people welcome it or not.

    One of the biggest reasons the chatter will continue is the apparently irrepressible desire Jewish journalists, politicians and celebrities have for saying they oppose policy X or Y “as a Jew”. Those who favour policies X or Y can’t help but resent an attempt to play this trump card.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  124. 11 is roughly 0.0002% of the number of Americans who died last year as the result of opioid overdoses, most of which are the result of opioids flowing across our southern border–which we are not allowed to effectively secure because…nazi! By the way, I wonder if Palestinians interpret events like yesterday’s shooting, correctly imo, as, “Well, this can’t be good for us.”

  125. @dearieme
    If he didn't support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn't he?

    If he didn’t support Trump he must have supported Putin. Mustn’t he?

    What does it really mean, for some U.S. citizen in Pittsburgh, to be characterized as a “supporter” of Vlaimir Putin? Did he “favorite” some Putin-themed memes from his Twitter account (before getting banned)? Who cares?

  126. @Realist
    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the 'bomber' and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    The timing does seem extremely conspicuous.

    I hate the Konspiracy Kook everything is a false flag crowd, but the guy sending all the fake bombs to Democrats 2 weeks before the elections (you know, the one with all the cliche/stereotypical stickers on his van that are so neatly aligned that they make the professionals jealous) really does have the stench of convenience about it. You know; no Democrats were harmed in the making of this pre-election boost. Right down to “their” inability to find an actual White guy to play patsy.

    But Bowers, 11 dead Jews, 3 shot cops, etc? Not so much. There only the timing is suspicious. Everything else about it suggests genuine terrorism.

    • Agree: Dissident, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Realist

    Everything else about it suggests genuine terrorism.
     
    All three had the stench of terrorism. The Kavanaugh circus was definitely a conspiracy by the Liberals.
  127. anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    The resident “Rightwing”-Jews should be a bit more careful with their gloating about this being some sort of awesome propaganda victory against the “Alt-Right”. The Left, including Jewish organizations, will attack any (non-neo)conservative as being a murderous antisemite, which is of course ridiculous – the normie US conservative is still rabidly philosemitic and prozionist. But the hate just might get some of them to reconsider their loyalties.

    One should however not over overestimate the impact of this event. As Steve is wont to say, it is a big country. Even with the mainstream media behind it, it is simply not possible to keep this in the spotlight for too long a time. Who still remembers this guy who shot up a black church last year or so?

  128. I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    I used to think this kind of anti-American, anti-1st-Amendment commentary from Jews was relatively harmless but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire more anti-gentile action from Jews, as seen in the Holodomor, Bolshevik crimes against humanity, and Soviet oppression?

    We see the same thing in communism – first there’s talk of revolution, concern about “anti-semitism,” and the next thing we know Jewish commissars are herding us into gulags, or shallow graves.

  129. @Jonathan Mason
    Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents "motherfucker" as much as they like, but call an opponent "camelfucker" and you are going to jail--because that is racist, you see. Call him a "sissy camelfucker" and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.

    The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign--and this should be discussed--but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/97/Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg/220px-Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases--mostly incels or childless--who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.

    Too bad you’re not childless.

  130. @Jefferson
    "The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators."

    Any political ideology who's motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.


    "There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good."

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

    Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks.

    True, George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party was assassinated by a crazy guy who had previously been kicked out of the American Nazi Party

  131. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    Free speech isn’t for everyone. Maybe some other country would better suit your (((nature))).

  132. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    I more or less agree with this. I’ve never been fond of the blackpill-heavy approach. The simple fact is that most of what we can do has never even been tried yet, because of the apathy of our indoctrinated populace.

  133. Here’s what I don’t understand about the whole situation: all of the people on unz.com (“alt right” or not) seem to look forward to this kind of day, or at least think it inevitable, when the white uprising will take place.

    And yet, when somebody actually goes ahead and does it, you guys are all shocked and taken aback “we love the Jews, Trump is right” etc.

    So if you guys aren’t actually down with this, what the hell have you been preparing for?

    Anyways, as somebody who recognizes Jewish power but doesn’t necessarily see it as bad, the alt right was never particularly appealing to me. There are nationalist and globalist Jews. Just like it’s wrong to say that all white people are homosexual pussy hat wearing social justice warriors, there are actually many Zionist nationalist Jews who can be “allies”. Trump has figured this out.

    Anyways, RIP to these devout Jews that were probably not even the “bad” kind of secular leftist Jews. You guys who think all Jews need to be killed are nuts, and just because somebody has a different religion doesn’t mean you can’t make useful “nationalist” alliances.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Except there aren't actually many. That part is made up.

    As for political violence, I've long predicted it, if other methods fail, but never thought it was the best way to get what we want. Fact is, the preconditions for violent revolution are the same as the preconditions for non-violent revolution, and non-violent revolutions are much more pleasant. This has been a consistent position of mine for like 15 years, here and elsewhere.

    P.S., the occasional outburst of violence is not a violent revolution, and doesn't have the effect of one.

    , @notanon

    So if you guys aren’t actually down with this, what the hell have you been preparing for?
     
    i don't know what the tipping point percentage is: 60%? 70%? but if that percentage of white debils comes to realize soon enough that the current globalist policy of population replacement is a genocidal policy we should be able to turn the world upside down without a massive amount of unpleasantness.

    the sooner it happens the less unpleasantness there'll be

    (sure, if it goes right down to the wire then yes it will be very nasty whichever way it ends)
    , @renfro

    Anyways, as somebody who recognizes Jewish power but doesn’t necessarily see it as bad, the alt right was never particularly appealing to me. There are nationalist and globalist Jews. Just like it’s wrong to say that all white people are homosexual pussy hat wearing social justice warriors, there are actually many Zionist nationalist Jews who can be “allies”. Trump has figured this out.
     
    You are seriously deranged.....or you"re a Zionist.
  134. @Jefferson
    "The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators."

    Any political ideology who's motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.


    "There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good."

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

    White nationalism is on an inexorable up trend.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    You misspelled American.

    White Nationalism is for dorks.
    , @Jefferson
    "White nationalism is on an inexorable up trend."

    Which of this nation's 50 governors is a White Nationalist?

    Also why didn't White Nationalist Paul Nehlen win The Wisconsin Republican Primary to replace House Speaker Paul Ryan?
    , @Anonymous
    White nationalism attracts too many damaged and dysfunctional people to ever amount to anything.
  135. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    “Invaders that kill our people” is shorthand for “slowly annihilate us via the soft genocide of immigration.”

    It’s pretty simple. If you have Golden Retrievers in kennel A and Labrador Retrievers in kennel B and keep putting dogs from kennel A into kennel B, eventually you have plenty of Golden Retrievers but the Labrador Retrievers are all gone.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    “Invaders that kill our people” is shorthand for “slowly annihilate us via the soft genocide of immigration.”

    It’s pretty simple. If you have Golden Retrievers in kennel A and Labrador Retrievers in kennel B and keep putting dogs from kennel A into kennel B, eventually you have plenty of Golden Retrievers but the Labrador Retrievers are all gone.
     
    Sure, I tend to agree that immigration levels are much too high and should certainly be reduced, though actually the main problem is *legal* immigration rather than illegal immigration.

    But I'm pretty sure that when the Pittsburgh shooter was talking about "foreign invaders coming to slaughter us" he wasn't talking in code words, but believed in the literal meaning of those statements.

    That's why I'd tend to blame FoxNews and Breitbart...
  136. Here’s an interesting train of thought that crossed my mind: Do you think that all these insane recent events could contribute to a revival in Christianity in the United States?

    Churches would have to play it right and do some good marketing. However, they could go by some slogan like “if you’re tired of all the madness, and want order, community, and love, join our Church”.

    I view Christianity and organized religion as the antidote to this, and would love a revival. Any thoughts on this?

  137. @Jefferson
    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.


    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.

    Meaning he isn’t even worth mentioning.

  138. @Almost Missouri
    I preferred your old handle, Tiny Duck.

    Lets’s be honest…..given what we know ….shouldn’t it really be “Tiny Johnson”.

  139. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    Don’t forget to add Dr. Baruch Goldstein to your list.

  140. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    This logic could be applied to just about every category of political criticism. In practice, legal sanctions will be applied only to right-wing critiques of left-wingery.

  141. @Jefferson
    "It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right"

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    Solzhenitsyn was oppressed by The Party, ergo Solzhenitsyn was bad.

    Brilliant logic from you as usual, Jeffy.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  142. This is an awkward moment where I feel both sick to my stomach and a bit guilty. I wonder if that’s how many people who opposed the US’s role in the world felt about 9/11. You cannot support the horrific crime, and yet… It’s committed by someone, however crazy, who is very roughly “on your team”… Similar awkwardness with Breivik. It’s all fun and games until someone gets really hurt…

    I’m also uncomfortable about my free speech absolutist stance:

    Bowers was an active poster on an alternative version of Twitter, Gab, which is popular with white supremacists, white nationalists, members of alt-right groups and others who have been kicked off of mainstream social media sites.

    I’ve been a supporter of gab, and want it to succeed for free speech reasons, but…

    Free speech isn’t free. To some extent letting people voice their anger or even their criticism against certain groups will cause some people to radicalize, espouse violent ideologies, and take horrible action.

    We know there is a trade off in some of our cherished democratic values. Allow people to have freedom and it will have some bad consequences, not just good ones.

    I feel pretty terrible. Sorry I can’t just say, everything’s fine, there will always be crazies, death happens, keep on fighting the good fight… Sometimes things just suck. Sorry if I just sound dumb.

    • Replies: @Bliss

    This is an awkward moment where I feel both sick to my stomach and a bit guilty.......You cannot support the horrific crime, and yet… It’s committed by someone, however crazy, who is very roughly “on your team”… Similar awkwardness with Breivik.
     
    You will get over this “awkwardness” soon enough. Just as you got over the “similar awkwardness with Breivik”, whose crime was far bloodier and had the same motivation as this one.

    You may even start calling Robert Bowers a Saint someday, just as many on your team have made a Saint out of Anders Breivik.
  143. @GW
    Yeah I don’t think you want racial crime rates being discussed. For every synagogue that gets shot up, how many innocent whites are shot by angry blacks? Or how many churches have been shot up by deranged atheists?

    Or how many goys have been marched into death or disfigurement by warmongering (((neocons)))?

  144. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    “Screw the optics, I’m going in”

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Of course, "screw the optics" means "to hell with trying to win over the media or play the public relations game". A terrorist act, by definition, is an attempt to change political opinions by murdering noncombatants. Terrorism is a way to forcefully make a political point by killing people. One way to make this less likely is to make it possible for people to take part in politics peacefully. That's not the only solution but it's a start.
  145. @Inquiring Mind
    OK, who here tagged this post as Troll?

    Disagree with him if you choose, but Ron Unz hosts this fine place.

    “. . . most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website” – Ron Unz

    All six (estimate) of them who write to refute the most egregious libels of jews and Israel. Interesting glimpse of the webmaster’s mindset.

    • Agree: International Jew
  146. @Jefferson
    October 2018 will be remembered as the White and half White Chimp Out month with Robert Bowers murdering 11 Jews and Cesar Sayoc trying to outdo Clock Bomb Boy. And than there was also Gregory Bush who murdered 2 Blacks in Kentucky this week.


    Definitely not helping make the case that Whites are less violent and more peaceful than other races.

    Assume intelligence asset

  147. @Bill P
    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That's something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn't socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that's a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is "ban all criticism of Jews," which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it's time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    HBD matters.

    Until the topic turns to the Jews. Then it’s leftism, all the way down.

  148. @Jefferson
    "The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators."

    Any political ideology who's motto is Hitler did nothing wrong was never going to have a bright future in politics. The Alt-Right have hit their glass ceiling and there is nowhere else to go but down for The Alt-Right.


    "There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US’s white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it’s not doing their cause any good."

    The Alt-Right attracts a lot of people who suffer from mental illness this is why they are getting crazier. Fringe groups in general attract the crazy circus freaks. This is also rings true for Antifa, Muslim Jihadists, The Westboro Baptist Church, Pussy Hat Feminists, Incel extremists, etc.

    Added to the annals of self-awareness…

  149. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    This should be reposted in reddit and as comments in MSM sites that still allow them.

  150. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.

    • Agree: AndrewR, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Do the Hindus...Chinese....Iranians...and Israelies get California?
    , @Cagey Beast
    This is true. Americans need to get out of each other's hair and out of each other's heads.
    , @Lot
    "Multiculturalism is just not working out."

    Maybe not for you. For the billionaire class, it is working out great.
    , @Jefferson
    "This is why Whites need our own country."

    You can move to a continent called Europe. Why don't you are you too poor to move? Or are you too low IQ and lazy to learn a new language like Russian or Czech for example? You are no different than Black American Nationalists who keep bitching about why there is no ethnostate homeland for the Black race even though there is as continent called Africa waiting for them.
    , @Iberiano
    This. Every.Single.Day, whites are victimized and to even suggest there is a particular group culpable or another group cheering it on, is "taking the low ground" somehow.

    I will care about another group (Blacks, Jews, Illegals, Rich Psychologist WASPS) the day not a single White Heritage American is murdered, raped, assaulted, killed in a DUI, etc, by another group--since we know everyone (not white) is going by "group" and counting who did what from one group (race, ethnicity, etc) vs another.
    , @Dissident

    We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive.
     
    You would characterize as mere criticism the statements about Jews/ The Jews that have been attributed to Mr. Bowers?
    , @ben tillman
    So many great comments from you the last few days!
  151. Israel regularly arms ISIS…Why are AIPAC…THE ADL….AND SPLC….allowed to have free speech in America?

  152. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    So much concern trolling in this thread.

    So much crying out in pain while striking.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  153. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    No ethnic cleansing in the USA? Detroit’s white population went from 1.5 million to 0.05 million.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    Don't worry, I hear it's bounced back to 0.06 million.
    , @Ali Choudhury
    Well, I don't have much personal knowledge of the 60z white flight but wasn't that driven by black crime or the fear of black crime as opposed to a spate of targeted anti-white murders plotted by political figures? Add the trend of suburbanisation and the administrative incompetence of black politicians and it's not an ethnic cleansing that happened by wilful design.
  154. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Free speech is actually one of the antidotes to violence. When you forbid people to speak about an issue, their only response becomes violence. This individual in Pittsburgh didn’t attack and kill all those senior citizens in that synagogue because he had free speech rights, he did it because he had a screw loose.

    Free speech should never be limited or banned.

  155. So, did this guy just lose Trump the midterms?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    We know his handlers hope so.
  156. @Rosie

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.

    Do the Hindus…Chinese….Iranians…and Israelies get California?

  157. @Lot
    "Screw the optics, I'm going in"

    Of course, “screw the optics” means “to hell with trying to win over the media or play the public relations game”. A terrorist act, by definition, is an attempt to change political opinions by murdering noncombatants. Terrorism is a way to forcefully make a political point by killing people. One way to make this less likely is to make it possible for people to take part in politics peacefully. That’s not the only solution but it’s a start.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    One way to make this less likely is to make it possible for people to take part in politics peacefully. That’s not the only solution but it’s a start.
     
    This guy arguably did not have much freedom of speech, or ability to take his perceived grievances to the public.

    Free speech has been greatly curbed over the past 2-3 years. (Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Apple, PayPal etc; not to mention the usual narrow window for speech and discussion at that NYT, Washington Post etc.)
  158. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    “the antisemitic commentary around here”

    In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown, and a wide range of views that the Uncle Leos of the ADL would call antisemitic, you should be more specific about “around here” and “antisemitic.”

    —-

    Even after yesterday, I do not change my view one whit that third world immigration to the West is the greatest threat to Jews and native Europeans generally. If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn’t be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn’t be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.
     
    Who wants to "push back" on the First Amendment? Who says that we are going to do that, or want to, or should? Not I, certainly.

    And the solution to the problem of the ethnic dissolution of western countries is not to ban burkas. It's to ban the immigration of the kinds of people who wear burkas.
    , @International Jew

    In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown
     
    I hope not, but I expect that's exactly what will happen under the next Dem President. And, unlike Trump, he'll have the whole Justice Dep't on his side.

    It feels like America is in a race between forces that will bring about a new civil war, and forces that will prevent a civil war by imposing a left-wing totalitarian state.
    , @AKAHorace
    Burkha bans are not a good idea. If we are surrounded by people who think that women should dress like that it is to our benefit to know it. The same as flag burning, these things radacalize people on our side.
  159. My advice to the folks suffering in Pittsburgh:

    “Better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it!”

    “Jewish youth, learn to shoot!”

    [Zeev Jabotinsky]

    • Replies: @Moshe
    Big Bill!

    You made me smile just now, quoting Jabotinsky.

    :-)

    By the way, I don't know to what degree you know the context or not but he essentially saw the mass murder of European Jewry coming fast and hard so while he first attempted his preferred solution of Zionism, when he saw that the British weren't quick to follow through on their deal and that the more official Jewish Zionist leadership didn't want to lose their standing by forcing the issue, he switched to just trying to get Jews to leave Europe or at least to learn to shoot.

    I met a guy in Johannesburg who was born around 1930 in Lithuania (I think Lithuania, it could have been Poland) and he told me that he and his family lived because his father heard Jabo speak in his city and that small man was hoarse, shouting, "YIDDEN! Loif fun du. Freg mit nisht voo un freg mir nisht vee uber loif afilu BURFOOS!"

    And his father along with a couple of friends were one of the very few who took him seriously. They sought visas everywhere and took the first one that came in and moved to south africa. To this day that man Oscar K, keeps a picture of Jabo up on bis wall even though he and his family are super religious and Jabo didn't even fast on Yom Kippur.

    Anyway, it's nice to see Jabo quoted. Made me happy. Thanks. :-)
  160. @TomInNOLA
    You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??

    All of a piece.

  161. @Rosie

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.

    This is true. Americans need to get out of each other’s hair and out of each other’s heads.

  162. @27 year old
    A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

    It’s mostly drive-bys.

  163. @Rosie

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.

    “Multiculturalism is just not working out.”

    Maybe not for you. For the billionaire class, it is working out great.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "“Multiculturalism is just not working out.”

    Maybe not for you. For the billionaire class, it is working out great."


    There are cons and pros to multiculturalism just like most things in life that are not absolutes. The only type of multiculturalism that has 100% cons and 0% pros is Islamic multiculturalism, not even their cuisine is a pro. Muslim food is nowhere near as delicious as Italian, Chinese, Mexican, Thai, Cajun, and Brazilian food for example.
  164. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    My ancestors on this side of the pond and cousins on the other side (in Great Britain) fought to stop that genocide.

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day? How about the massively disproportionate violence being committed by blacks in comparison to whites in this country even today?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day?
     
    The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them, nor Christianity, the invention of the printing press, universal literacy (sort of), Martin Luther, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, sublime art, music, and architecture, and all the rest of it.

    Just as my grandparents (all born before 1900) were born into a society without cars, tanks, planes, movies, gramophone records, radio, or TV, (though at least they had the Daily Mail, founded 1896), the grandparents of many Africans of today were born into Stone Age tribal societies without running water, flush toilets, and more facepaint than Facebook.

    Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.

    , @anon
    The first few minutes of this conversation may help you rearrange the cognitive map that seems to keep routing you to Winston Churchill's shoeshine stand

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ6UDdWM2EM
  165. @Jonathan Mason
    Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents "motherfucker" as much as they like, but call an opponent "camelfucker" and you are going to jail--because that is racist, you see. Call him a "sissy camelfucker" and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.

    The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign--and this should be discussed--but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/97/Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg/220px-Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases--mostly incels or childless--who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.

    A Wikipedia entry as the one for Gregg Easterbrook?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Easterbrook

    Actually, his Wikipedia entry doesn’t list that for which Mr. Easterbrook is most notorious.

    I regard him as a “thinking man’s James Fallows.” Whereas he writes essays for “respectable” venues such as Atlantic and The New Republic, on “respectable” topics such as the environment or national defense spending, his thoughts sometimes take him to contrarian or iconoclastic positions. For example, it was Easterbrook who wrote about how the cheaper Northrup F-20 may be a better figher plane than the General Dynamics F-16, so why was the U. S. Air Force ignoring the F-20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-20_Tigershark

    His notoriety, however, derives from the time that he thought-out-loud an iconoclastic thought in public (I am paraphrasing), “When so many Jews are victims of violent attacks, in Israel, here at home, and in many other parts of the world, why do Jewish executives in Hollywood think it is a good idea to derive corporate profits from so many films glorifying violence?”

    Who boy, did that get a reaction, for Crimethink on three separate levels. One was thinking that words or actions by specific Jewish persons could in any way even remotely contribute to or in the slightest way be responsible for Jews as a group being victims of violence connected to anti-Semitic hate. The second was invoking the anti-Semitic stereotype of monetary greed, especially the alleged pursuit of profits in disregard of any ethical or moral or social consequences. The third was the anti-Semitic trope that “(the) Jews run Hollywood.”

    Given the buzz saw of public criticism Mr. Easterbrook ran into, I was thinking that he would get un-personed, air-brushed out of the Party photos. Commenting at Little Green Footballs, which was the Blog of Noticing of its day in the era before Charles Johnson terminated his post 9-11 truce with the conservative, neo-conservative and nativist Right, I ran into that same buzz saw by attempting to defend Easterbrook in suggesting that, yes, there are persons of Jewish heritage who serve as Hollywood executives, this material fact may have been the consequence of many Hollywood founders migrating to the U.S. as a result of Czarist-era persecution. Under the Hayes Code a Jewish movie executive accepted the wisdom of restrictions on movie content set by a Catholic priest as a win-win both for studio profits and social peace, so suggesting that movie moguls had a self interest in moderating the content of their movies (think of the recent iSteve thread where violent movies are discussed), wasn’t off base. Other commenters at LGF called my arguments “garbage.”

    This latest tragedy is a Progressive Agenda two-fer. Because a person off-their-nut shoots and kills people, we have to give up our guns. Because a white anti-Semite off-his-nut shoots and kills Jewish people, we have to give up any public remarks regarding how either specific Jewish persons or factions within or the Jewish community as a whole participate in our multi-cultural American society?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Gregg Easterbrook lost half of his income when he got fired from ESPN.com for supposedly anti-Semitic blogging criticizing Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill" at ... Marty Peretz's TNR. Peretz, no shrinking violet in defense of Jewish interests, was fine with what Easterbrook said about how Jewish movie executives should not rush to fund the gore fests of Tarantino (who is not Jewish). Easterbrook is an old member, IIRC, of the Kinsley Klique of talented opinion journalists along with Fallows, Kaus, etc.

    But he got fired from his football column at Disney/ESPN for several years. One thing that is striking to me is that I wouldn't go out of my way to unjustly injure the younger brother of ... heavyweight federal judge Frank Easterbrook. But that consideration of prudence didn't stop Michael Eisner and/or his minions.

    Eventually, after Eisner was out (whether coincidentally or not), Easterbrook got his football column back at ESPN.com.

  166. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    A better argument, that takes account of recent history and that has understood Ron Unz’s Pravda series, would hold precisely the opposite:

    when free exercise of First Amendment rights are relegated to “tiny Unz” , if not, indeed, outright censored by ADL, Facebook, Youtube etc, it is totally predictable that someone will react explosively; that in a pitical system where power is way out of equilibrium, that person will be a disempowered kook (if not a manipulated patsy); and that the target will be a comparatively weak affiliate of the censoring group.

    “The answer to offensive speech is MORE speech,” but what is occurring is more censorship, when what is needed is MORE “tiny Unzes.”

    Anybody who has used toothpaste should understand this.

    • Agree: Rosie
  167. Eternal rest grant unto them, Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them.

    [MORE]

    The reaction to a horrific event such as this should not be to curtail free speech. However, it is difficult to see what a person can do to effect any change. Politics are becoming more stratifying. Where imbalanced people once committed massacres based on the religious difference, it seems that the ongoing politicization of everything has caused evil men to cloak their actions in political rhetoric. And we never can legislate evil out of existence. The unfortunate reality, though, is that the neoliberal faction of the country has an outsized share of power, and when bad events like this one take place it causes the Overton Window to shift more in the direction of neoliberalism.
    I hope that there is some way to thread the needle on this issue and that there are genuine good-faith actors able to work towards a peaceful solution.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    However, it is difficult to see what a person can do to effect any change.
     
    Simple. Support and advocate for addressing issues that have people feeling upset: mass immigration; censorship; power imbalance; vilification of Whites; discrimination against Whites; subordination to Israel.
  168. @27 year old
    A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.
  169. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in mirror some time.

  170. @Dieter Kief
    I'd prefer rather not to - - be ironic right now, and it might also not be the perfect moment to speculate about - - - an obviously troubled mind.

    SF had a formerly mainstream conservative politician snap and defend himself with a “Twinkie defense.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White

    Our esteemed host, also a former mainstream conservative politician, was reported to eat half his meals at Burger King.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Made With 100% Beef
     
    Some of that filling stuff looks suspiciously like lettuce, cheese, and tomato.
  171. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Jack D is a Boomer and is not made for our era, the Weimerican Century.

  172. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    By the logic of your own post, you are a dangerous psychopath. Try looking in the mirror some time.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  173. @Tyrion 2
    Who are you quoting and what are you talking about with "blood of the Chosen"? Google says it has something to do with Warcraft Online but I suspect it is merely part of whatever Bowersesque anti-Semitic fantasy you get off on.
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Where's the "blood" bit? He made out as if he is quoting someone. Who?
  174. You would think that the unfortunate events of today would call for some humility, but unfortunately some self-righteous jerks can’t refrain from using an atrocity to further their political aims and jack up the inflammatory rhetoric all the way up to 12. Shame on you.

    • Replies: @anon
    unfortunately some self-righteous jerks can’t refrain from using an atrocity to further their political aims and jack up the inflammatory rhetoric

    Such as what?
  175. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Sounds reasonable to me.

  176. You know, every single day in this country, thousands of Americans (black and white) are killed by illegals (and often the immediate offspring [[citizens]] of these illegals) and it’s no big deal. Liberal Puritan Whites and Jews call Trump a Nazi for suggesting “it would be one less murder if _________ hadn’t been here illegally”. Likewise, every single day in the US, hundreds of whites are victimized by blacks, from rapes (about 100 white women a day), to burglaries, carjackings, assaults, thefts large and small–and even the idea that white people should care about this, or their own, seems to incense Jews (at least of the Left, of which most are). So I’m sorry, and this point, I’m fresh out of “higher ground” and, “let’s be above that,” “we’re better than that” and “That’s not who we are”. I am sad for the loss of innocent people anywhere, everywhere–of course. But the fact is, whites are victimized every day across the land and not a tear is shed for these heritage white Americans.

    Hundreds of white Heritage Americans were shot in Vegas, dozens of them murdered– a year later and the nation (Jews, Blacks, the White Elite Puritan Left), collectively shrugs it shoulders. I’m returning the gesture for a change.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  177. How much responsibility does Trump bear for the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh?
    Political rhetoric matters, and he has had some unfortunate things to say about Jews.
    By Julia Ioffe
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/28/how-much-responsibility-does-trump-bear-synagogue-shooting-pittsburgh

    Her Twitter feed is a great place to go if one wants to see how she and her social circle have decided to play this.

  178. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    Muslim lying. They are the most dishonest vermin around.

  179. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That's something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn't socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that's a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is "ban all criticism of Jews," which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it's time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

    How many Jews own media outlets? How many Jews are involved in finance? How many Jews are CEOs of tech companies? How many Jews run Hollywood studios?

    Does this look like a decline in power to you? It sure doesn’t to me. These people are all proportionally much richer than they were back in the 1950s or so, thanks to American capitalism, and they have billions available to donate to everything they think will upset the American applecart. Look at George Soros, for example.

  180. @Rosie

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.

    “This is why Whites need our own country.”

    You can move to a continent called Europe. Why don’t you are you too poor to move? Or are you too low IQ and lazy to learn a new language like Russian or Czech for example? You are no different than Black American Nationalists who keep bitching about why there is no ethnostate homeland for the Black race even though there is as continent called Africa waiting for them.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    You can move to a continent called Europe.
     
    Europe for Europeans!

    At least we agree on that much.

    (You do realize that makes you a nazi, right?)
    , @notanon

    You can move to a continent called Europe.
     
    Europe is under the same kind of demographic attack as the USA.
    , @Mr. Anon

    You can move to a continent called Europe.
     
    Whites are now no longer allowed to claim Europe as white. Which fact you surely know - you are just being disingenuous.
    , @ACommenter
    according to globalists in the EU, europe has always been multicultural, there is no such thing as 'germans' 'swedes' or englishmen, all those places have always been multicultural and anyone who opposes that is racist. ... so are you saying you support nationalist movements in Europe?
  181. @Rosie

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
     
    This is why Whites need our own country. We are effectively not allowed to criticize other groups, however detrimental their behavior maybe, lest someone go out and do something stupid and counterproductive. Multiculturalism is just not working out.

    This. Every.Single.Day, whites are victimized and to even suggest there is a particular group culpable or another group cheering it on, is “taking the low ground” somehow.

    I will care about another group (Blacks, Jews, Illegals, Rich Psychologist WASPS) the day not a single White Heritage American is murdered, raped, assaulted, killed in a DUI, etc, by another group–since we know everyone (not white) is going by “group” and counting who did what from one group (race, ethnicity, etc) vs another.

  182. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    ‘…Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics…’

    So all we have to do is let ourselves become like Brazil and then there’ll be a reaction?

    No doubt you’re right.

  183. @Desiderius
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chosen_(Chaim_Potok)

    Where’s the “blood” bit? He made out as if he is quoting someone. Who?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It’s a figure of speech akin to waving the bloody shirt or the blood of the fallen cry out for vengeance, etc.
    , @notanon
    it's probably from a game - a lot of gamers have verbal tics like that
  184. @DFH
    It hasn't been a great year for the Alt-Right

    Define “Alt-Right.”

    I’m assuming that you say the same thing every time a crazy Muslim attacks Whites and Jews in the United States and Europe.

    The actions of some crazy guy who didn’t even like Trump doesn’t define a political movement. That said, yes, things are getting more tense. The left constantly demonizes any White person who shows the slightest pride in their heritage as literally Hitler and thus worthy of being killed. The right is pushing back, though I rarely see the same calls for violence. And, yes, many people notice that Jews are a critically important (if not “the”) driving force behind the changes of the past 60 years.

    I would prefer that we find a peaceful way out of this predicament and goodness knows that Steve is trying to do just that. However, history isn’t on our side. History says that when you have massive migrations of different peoples into the territory of another people, you get violence. There are a few cases where they blended into a new people relatively peacefully, but they are the exception to the rule.

    Perhaps our leaders should have thought of this before embarking on this grand multi-everything experiment. I am abhorred by what this guy did. My fear is that more is on the way and not just some crazies acting our their insane fantasies, but normal people acting in what they feel is self-defense.

  185. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    ‘I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.’

    Freedom has always had a cost. We could ban all cars capable of going more than five mph and sharply reduce the death toll from traffic accidents — but we choose not to.

    Enforcing draconian bars on freedom of speech might well reduce the number of incidents such as yesterday’s attack. I still want to be free.

  186. @27 year old
    A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

    Correct.

  187. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    Does the blood curdling anti-White of the Left which is often on display everywhere make possible BLM violence against the police and the daily racist attacks of blacks against whites?

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    Does the blood curdling anti-White of the Left which is often on display everywhere make possible BLM violence against the police and the daily racist attacks of blacks against whites?
     
    Yes it does.
  188. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    ‘…Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc…’

    ? The Holocaust was a matter of white people killing other white people they saw as different.

    How would you distinguish that from what happened in Rwanda, or Biafra, or that goes on more or less continuously in the Congo?

    The blacks rely less on organization and more on spontaneous action, but they acheive credible death tolls nevertheless. Did you have some sort of point?

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    Hi Colin, see my response to A Citizen Of A Silly Country when it appears.
  189. @CAL2
    "Don't worry, we can be just like Brazil," is something no one with some intelligence has ever said. Brazil the country of tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. It's a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy. Whites tend to live in highly secure areas. It sounds like paradise (sarc).

    Yeah we’ll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Yeah we’ll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women."

    The first woman looks like a dark skin Gisele Bundchen. She has very European facial features for someone with that much melanin in their skin.
    , @J.Ross
    I tried to post some Brazilian propaganda and it didn't get through. But yes good news is coming after all this bad news.
    , @Dieter Kief
    Looking at your last picture, I find, that America seems to be in dire need of a new brand. I'd propose Luther Big (instead of Calvin Klein, that is - or would that be too brainy? Ok - what about Calvin Big then - simple 'n' easy, isn't it?).
    , @Dieter Kief
    Oh wow!

    America seems to be in dire need for a new brand! If I look at the last photo, Luther Big should fit in nicely. And if that might turn out to be too brainy, then why not try Calvin Big: That'd be nice 'n' easy - one double brand fits all!
  190. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Playing coy will avail you exactly nothing.

    If you’d have us take the side of those coming to shut down this forum and further curtail our God-given rights make your case like a man.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Jack D
    I have not suggested shutting down this forum. I suggest that
    sane people consider their impact on the less stable before they write or free speech will be one more nice thing that we can t have any more.

    And this includes RKU. Poking the bear is fun until the bear pokes back.

  191. @Lot
    No ethnic cleansing in the USA? Detroit's white population went from 1.5 million to 0.05 million.

    Don’t worry, I hear it’s bounced back to 0.06 million.

  192. All victims are equal, but some are more equal than others.

    I don’t recall quite the same outpouring of denunciations and calls for rethinking free speech, etc in the wake of Dylann Roof’s killings of blacks, or for that matter, Sergeant Bales’ killings of Muslim women and children. We seem to be divided on Muslim terrorism; half of us call for the most spectacularly genocidal responses, while the other half try to pretend such attacks didn’t happen. As some have noted, black killings of whites go completely uncovered.

    For some reason, the victims in Saturday’s attacks are different; could someone specify what the distinction is?

    • Replies: @anonymous

    We seem to be divided on Muslim terrorism; half of us call for the most spectacularly genocidal responses, while the other half try to pretend such attacks didn’t happen
     
    Many of us recognize that Muslims have legitimate grievances with the United States and Israel.
    , @Dissident

    I don’t recall quite the same outpouring of denunciations and calls for rethinking free speech, etc in the wake of Dylann Roof’s killings of blacks, or for that matter, Sergeant Bales’ killings of Muslim women and children.
     
    Well, for one thing, "Literally Hitler" wasn't President when those atrocities occurred. I suspect that has at least something to do with any differences in the respective reactions between then and now.
  193. @Carl
    Because they're violent psychopaths?

    Right, so if they are just a violent loon then there isn’t much political debate to had as a result of the current atrocity.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @bomag

    isn’t much political debate to be had...
     
    The opposition will not let any tragedy go to waste.
  194. @Tyrion 2
    Where's the "blood" bit? He made out as if he is quoting someone. Who?

    It’s a figure of speech akin to waving the bloody shirt or the blood of the fallen cry out for vengeance, etc.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    It is a voice inside his head that he has put into the mouth of his fantasy enemy to make himself feel more important. The bloke is a sadistic twit of the sort that people used to simply and justly called "evil".
  195. “Anti-Semitic Far Right Terrorist Attacks Synagogue”

    So why did you choose not to write a companion piece similar to “Police Arrest Republican Male Stripper Steroid-Using Diverse-American Florida Man”, complete with your legendary “staccato grievance commentary”™?

    Mmmm, it is Sunday. Maybe you are at church? A sawbuck to the till? A trip to the priest or minister for a good talk?

  196. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    Just give South Africa some more time to simmer.

  197. @27 year old
    A thread in which normally critical thinking people not only accept the media narrative at face value but also make excuses for the people who hate us.

    A lot of boomers and other people addicted to their comfort levels terrified of what a civil conflict means.

  198. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    Stalin killed off the best farmers in Russia and the Ukraine by the millions with predictable horrible results and he killed off his best generals and officers on the eve of war with Hitler. Hitler forced the best Jewish scientists flee in the 1930s and then used valuable railway lines to put Jews in camps, when the military desperately needed those lines and of course he killed Jews – who were very productive and who could have been working, while the Reich had an enormous labor shortage.

    Sometimes people do unproductive things because they are evil psychopathic amoral maniacs.

  199. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.
  200. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Welp, and here’s the “We must make special rules to ‘protect’ Jews” contingent.

  201. @Ali Choudhury
    Those attacks don't particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    Um, you do realize that it was Nazi Germans that carried out that atrocity, right?

    You also realize that Americans fought those same Nazi Germans and liberated many camps, right?

    In your mind, all gentile Whites are guilty of the sins committed by a relatively small number of gentile Whites 75 years ago in a distant land and must permanently atone for those sins. We are Sisyphus and our boulder the Jewish Holocaust (and, no, it is not “the” holocaust since their have been many).

    I refuse to accept the guilt that you wish to place upon me, the guilt that you wish to use against me. I am no more responsible for the Jewish Holocaust than I am for this horrible attack. Both are heinous, both have nothing to do with me.

    I will continue to criticize any group that seems to be acting in a way that harms my people. The guilt card is no longer in play. I do not want violence against members of that group, but I will not quietly allow the loss of my people and the world we created.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    I am not blaming anyone but the Nazis for the Holocaust. I was responding to Tyrion2's post which appeared to be asking why recent murders of whites by black racists did not attract more attention. Well, my point was the biggest episode of racial murder in the world was by a white supremacist political organisation which believed Jews were treacherous (among other things) and had to be eliminated for the good of the volk. So if another white supremacist who hates Jews comes along and racks up a double-digit death toll in a synagogue that is going to be a bigger story. I doubt anyone believes American blacks are going to embark on a program of targeted killings of whites. Up to the day of the shooting most anti-Jewish animus in the US consisted of keyboard venting. Hopefully this was a one-off and won't inspire copycat killers looking to become celebrities.
  202. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    “I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?”

    The Unz attracts as many mentally ill people as the Mariel boatlift to Miami did.

    You ever been to a mental hospital? Yeah everytime I browse The Unz.

  203. @onetwothree
    It's strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire. If someone wanted to devote himself to evil, there are effective ways. I won't mention them, but they exist. I think an ugly turning point will come when people realize this for themselves. But as long as the ridiculous "mass shooting" is the fashionable thing, it won't happen.

    It’s strange that so many people are willing to throw away their lives, kill innocents, and then achieve the exact opposite political aims they desire.

    Which is why it’s hardly way out to at least speculate about false flags, patsy shooters etc.

    • Replies: @Doug
    Except if all of these events were false flags, where the hell's the evidence. Do you have any idea how many totally obsessed culture warriors with Aspergers are poring over the minute details of every single news headline?

    4Chan was able to fine Shia Labeouf in the middle of the the Tennessee wilderness based on the patterns of stars. They were able to reveal the location of an ISIS base camp to the Russia Air Force based on the angle of a cell tower in the distant background of a picture.

    I'm not saying that the Men in Black would never be able to get away with some staged incident. But if false flags were even as tenth as common as Internet keyboard conspiracy theorists suggest, there should be signs somewhere. I'm not even talking about conclusive proof, I'm just talking about something that makes rational, sane people scratch their heads.

    So either there's one of two conclusions. One, far less plausible conclusion, is that the Men in Black are are the most efficient and effective shadow-dwelling force in the history of the world. They never make mistakes, they execute perfectly, there's no leaks or threads left unturned. That almost certainly means that the forces of truth and justice are totally outmatched. Even if we speculate about them being behind whatever happens, we have no hope of ever catching, let alone exposing them. Might as well just lie back and take it.

    The other conclusion is Occam's razor. There's 300 million people in this country, and human personalities span a very wide range. At least 1% of people are evil, and at least 1% of people are crazy, and at least 1% of people are capable planners and executors. At any given point that means there's hundreds of competent chaotic evil Americans, most of whom will go on to do something atrocious. Mass shooting, serial killing, chaining up some random person in their basement for decades, etc.
  204. @Jefferson
    "It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right"

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    This changes nothing . “The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.” to you maybe . Spencer is irrelevant at this point and Sayoc did no more harm than Clockmed only he didn’t get an invitation to the White House . A sad man leading a sad life . Bowers actions were unfortunate but won’t change anybody’s mind . I didn’t even bother to read the story I don’t care . Mass murder is boring in 2018 . The right isn’t going to fold because of his deeds . We’ll just have to put up with more vapouring from the NPCs of the media and the Dem. Pols . demands for more repressive laws . Yawn .

  205. @DFH
    It hasn't been a great year for the Alt-Right

    It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right

    The Alt-Right only means EXPLICIT WHITENESS rather than IMPLICIT WHITENESS.

    The Alt-Right is now where the great majority of Americans of European Christian ancestry are heading.

    The Alt-Right is the future of politics for White Core Americans.

    The Alt-Right is surging ahead in all European Christian nations. The Alt-Right is on the march in France, Italy, the United States, Australia, Hungary, England, the Netherlands, Denmark and every other place colonized and settled by European Christians.

    The Alt-Right was named for a New Yorker of Prussian ancestry who made good loot as a supermodel.

    The Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative faction of the GOP is going the way of the dodo.

    German beer is chemical free, Germany and the Alt-Right are all right with me!

  206. @Lot
    Yeah we'll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/0e/22/f90e22fbf17420a5b50527ee9e0da01a.jpg

    https://media.gq.com/photos/5584679109f0bee56443db6f/master/pass/copilot-women-201406-1401818570087_wandering-eye-rio-ben-watts-3.jpg


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1343288.1372304058!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

    https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/lena-dunham-1-600-2.jpg

    “Yeah we’ll be Brazil but with much fatter and angrier women.”

    The first woman looks like a dark skin Gisele Bundchen. She has very European facial features for someone with that much melanin in their skin.

  207. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    Yes the small army of (likely paid) astroturfers probably are fanatically anti-immigration, but only for Israel. That’s an important distinction.

  208. @Lurker
    Right, so if they are just a violent loon then there isn't much political debate to had as a result of the current atrocity.

    isn’t much political debate to be had…

    The opposition will not let any tragedy go to waste.

  209. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Anti-semitic talk of the more benign variety sort of plays a role as “noise” or a “foundation” which can lead to more serious actions unfortunately as we have seen yesterday.

    For all the talk about Jews not being white, you have to realize that black nationalists sort of see Jews as the ultimate whites.

    Unz is not especially convincing as a white nationalist, I’m afraid. He comes across more as a tired contrarian, perhaps he has a sense of noblesse oblige towards the white proletariat than and is trying to defang defamatory attacks against them. He does not come across as someone who is truly in his heart a hateful person.

    To an extent, his crusade is noble, as there often is overstep in the demonization of the white proletariat. But there also is truth to the stereotype, as we saw yesterday, and Unz has gone too far in that direction, I’m afraid. There’s still room to take a step back.

  210. @Wilkey
    Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

    My ancestors on this side of the pond and cousins on the other side (in Great Britain) fought to stop that genocide.

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day? How about the massively disproportionate violence being committed by blacks in comparison to whites in this country even today?

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day?

    The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them, nor Christianity, the invention of the printing press, universal literacy (sort of), Martin Luther, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, sublime art, music, and architecture, and all the rest of it.

    Just as my grandparents (all born before 1900) were born into a society without cars, tanks, planes, movies, gramophone records, radio, or TV, (though at least they had the Daily Mail, founded 1896), the grandparents of many Africans of today were born into Stone Age tribal societies without running water, flush toilets, and more facepaint than Facebook.

    Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.
     
    Killing one another sounds like a very "Roman Empire" sort of thing to do.
    , @donut
    "The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them" . You're right . Why do you suppose that is . The only ruins of any civilizations in Sub-Saharan Africa are termite mounds .
    , @Wilkey
    "The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them"

    So how does that make whites in America or Great Britain responsible for the crimes of a German regime they fought to destroy?
    , @bomag

    The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them
     
    I'm not completely getting your point, but it only takes one generation to catch up with all this.

    And after catch-up, African societies are plenty deadly. Three million or so were killed in the Nigerian civil war.
  211. @Henry's Cat
    I sense you were struggling for a thread title that didn't sound ironic....

    'Screw the optics, I'm going in' will inevitably become a macabre meme.

    Leeeroooy Jenkins!

    • LOL: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    Thanks but I'd rather not know. As Unz pointed out, it's actually, 'Screw your optics," something that I could only have previously imagined, Newton saying to Robert Hooke.
  212. @Lot
    SF had a formerly mainstream conservative politician snap and defend himself with a "Twinkie defense."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White

    Our esteemed host, also a former mainstream conservative politician, was reported to eat half his meals at Burger King.

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/burger-king-whopperrito.jpg?w=1100&quality=85

    Made With 100% Beef

    Some of that filling stuff looks suspiciously like lettuce, cheese, and tomato.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I had a Whopperito once. It tasted pretty good, but I hated myself afterward.

    But I didn't hate myself enough write a series of 38,000 word deranged screeds attacking my ancestors.

    If I ate BK every day, who knows?

    https://i.imgflip.com/1dt2mi.jpg
    , @Mr. Anon
    That's an interesting claim: "Made with %100 Beef". The worthless "collectible" coins sold by the Franklin Mint are "made with %100 silver", but the coin itself is not actually 100% silver.
  213. You can’t fight against Jewish psychological warfare with guns. You fight it with your words, by non-stop mocking of left wing and right wing NPC’s, you build a culture of soft resistance and when you have enough numbers you graduate to marches where you go to film your abuse because you know you’ll get beat up. And you also know that if you defend yourself, you’ll be the one who ends up in jail.

  214. @Bill P
    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That's something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn't socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that's a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is "ban all criticism of Jews," which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it's time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

    ‘…There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years…’

    Now, I distinctly recall the entire Congress of the United States feeling impelled to give seventeen standing ovations to a foreign head of state — and that was considerably less than fifteen years ago.

    Who was that head of state again? What people did he represent? Who were the leading contributors to the campaigns of the presidential candidates of both parties? What country are we all but openly seeking war with? On whose behalf are we doing that?

    If only Jewish power were in decline — and if only there was no Israel. I doubt I’d think about Jews any more than I think about Anabaptists.

  215. @CAL2
    "Don't worry, we can be just like Brazil," is something no one with some intelligence has ever said. Brazil the country of tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. It's a corrupt and often on the verge of anarchy. Whites tend to live in highly secure areas. It sounds like paradise (sarc).

    ““Don’t worry, we can be just like Brazil,” is something no one with some intelligence has ever said.”

    Brazilians are electing a politician for president Jair Bolsonaro who is vastly to the political Right of ALL Northwest European heads of state. Enjoy your damn Angela Merkel, Stefan Lofven, Theresa May, Michael D. Higgins, etc.

    Nobody on the political Right can even be elected dogcatcher in Northwest Europe because it is the most Cucked region in the world. Northwest Europe makes Maryland look like Mississippi in terms of politics.

  216. Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there’s a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we’ve had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can’t think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted…

    • Replies: @Nathan
    The only one I could think of:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting

    But there were no fatalities at the community center.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    Mr. Unz:

    Thank you for hosting Steve Sailer and other contributors on your Web site.

    Thank you for providing a forum where readers may also contribute comments freely without a special account and password. Thank you for your tolerance and patience with opinions you may not personally agree with. Thank you for a place where people can speak what is on their mind, and where we can work out differences by force of argument instead by force of compulsion or worse yet, force of violent acts.
    , @Anon
    You wrote a 10,000 word article accusing Jews of using gentile blood to bake matzah. Yes your ezine us far more balanced , measured and neutral than the msm.
    , @Lot
    "it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing."

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that's wasn't an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    "Several items were seized from the suspect's home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center."

    Maybe he'd have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.
    , @Henry's Cat
    Forgive me if you covered the Frank case in your American Pravda series - I have the remaining ones bookmarked - but do you have an opinion as to Frank's guilt?
    , @Matra
    It's mostly forgotten now but a Pakistani Muslim shot a few Jews, one fatally, in 2006: 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation building
    , @lavoisier
    Ron,

    It might be time for you to lay a little low.

    I think you are a rare man in terms of your honesty and your intelligence.

    But you publish information that could certainly be considered anti-Semitic.

    You were wondering why the ADL was not going after you?

    They will be going after you now for sure.

    And they will have the full support of the US government and the leaders who have taken an oath to support the constitution.

    Count on it.
    , @Doug
    > Unsurprisingly, there’s a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Ron Unz's schtick is getting tiresomely repetitive and obvious. The gist is Mr. Unz says something like "Hey guys, everybody thinks [X] but I read this [Source Y] and can't find any mention of [X]." Oh wait... when you actually bother to read [Source Y] it turns out that Unz was full of shit. Either Unz's reading comprehension is severely lacking given his self-described 200 IQ... Or he's just plain outright lying and misrepresenting things for whatever self-serving ideological agenda he has this week.

    Let's actually consult the Wikipedia article in question. It's available here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

    Well, let's just jump right down to the "Hate Crime" subsection. The very first paragraph lists an unambigious anti-Jewish killing that took place in America less than five years ago:

    > On April 1, 2014 a racist man, former member of the Ku Klux Klan arrived to the Jewish center of Kansas City and murdered 3 people, two of them were on their way to the church.[85] After his capture the suspect was heard saying "Heil Hitler".[86]

    Don't worry, I'm sure Unz has some sort of schizophrenic justification for why this doesn't count. Maybe a vague Usenet post from 1994 or a made up unsourced factoid from a poorly formatted white supremacist pamphlet that actually proves this was a false flag operation by Mossad.
    , @Eagle Eye
    The whole incident is far too pat, and the timing - at the peak of early voting - is too neat. Whatever the subjective motivation of the patsy, this was NOT a spontaneous event, but a carefully planned operation, probably to rile up anxiety and shore up the Democrat vote.

    Not coincidentally, the incident was also planned to prepare the ground for a comprehensive gun ban, and for further censorship of competing social media (GAB.ai).

    As Mr. Unz noted, anti-Semitism in the U.S. does not seem to have resulted in any verifiable murders. This is statistically astounding: let's assume some 2 per cent of the population are Jewish, and only half (1 percent) are readily identifiable as Jewish to non-Jewish strangers. Also, let's assume only 1 percent of the population carry serious anti-Jewish animus. Thus, conservatively, we would have:

    1. Three million (3,000,000) Jew haters and

    2. three million (3,000,000) identifiable Jews,

    yet no clear anti-Semitic murder seems to have been documented over the past 100 years.

    Now, suddenly a few days before an election, we have the Left's wet dream: a single incident in a house of worship with multiple sympathetic victims, an "AR-15 ‘style’ rifle," postings on a Twitter rival, etc. THE WHOLE SCENARIO SCREAMS FALSE FLAG.

    , @FKA Max

    ...when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks?
     
    9/11

    The number of Jews who died in the attacks is variously estimated at between 270 and 400.[152][153][154][155] The lower figure tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area and partial surveys of the victims' listed religion. The U.S. State Department has published a partial list of 76 in response to claims that fewer Jews/Israelis died in the WTC attacks than should have been present at the time.[152][156] Five Israeli citizens died in the attack.[157]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Israel
    , @Lowe
    That's interesting, isn't it? If there haven't been any Ant-Semitic killings in a long time, that means something is different now. Is it something passing, or something permanent?
    , @Roderick Spode
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot#Yankel_Rosenbaum_killing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting

    The LA shooter produced no dead bodies but not for lack of trying.

    The 2014 shooter mentioned by others in reply to your post killed three Gentiles, but one imagines he thought they were Jews at the time, which is grimly humourous if you think about it.

    Sometimes I do wonder about you, Unz. Are you getting back at some relative?
    , @FKA Max
    Here is another resource that might be helpful in your research, Mr. Unz:


    Terrorist Incidents and Attacks Against Jews and Israelis in the United States 1969-2016

    http://archive.is/sQqxm

    Jewish targets often serve as precursors to larger attacks: Perpetrators of well-known larger attacks, such as the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, were first involved in anti-Jewish incidents - http://archive.is/sQqxm#selection-1477.0-1499.53

    , @Lucas McCrudy
    There was shooting in 1999 at the Los Angeles Jewish Community Center where 5 were wounded and one mail carrier killed by some lunatic.
    , @Ian M.
    What about the Jews murdered by Tamerlan Tsarnaev in Waltham?
  217. @Jonathan Mason

    Made With 100% Beef
     
    Some of that filling stuff looks suspiciously like lettuce, cheese, and tomato.

    I had a Whopperito once. It tasted pretty good, but I hated myself afterward.

    But I didn’t hate myself enough write a series of 38,000 word deranged screeds attacking my ancestors.

    If I ate BK every day, who knows?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  218. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    I’m sure we’ll live a life of dignity when we’re a dispossessed kulak class with ever-broadening anti-white race laws like the ones that already exist such as the affirmative action/quota/set-aside/non-white only loans etc.

  219. I guess we can tell who sends in money to this site, judging by whose comments get approved. To hell with this.

  220. I think we should be careful before rushing to judgement about whether Bowers acted on generalized anti-semitism.

    He’s reported to live in Castle Shannon, which has been among the areas most badly targeted for resettlement (https://archive.is/JR0aR).

    The congregations based out of that synagogue, particularly the Reform ‘Dor Hadash’ congregation, have been extremely supportive of refugee resettlement (in other people’s neighbourhoods). https://web.archive.org/web/20181027190824/https://www.jfcspgh.org/national-volunteer-week/

    I would not be shocked to learn that this man was affected by refugee crime against his friends or family or his own person, made the link back to those who brought them in, and overreacted in this very unfortunate way.

  221. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    The only one I could think of:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting

    But there were no fatalities at the community center.

  222. Why are Jewish groups “scampering” to save Muslim refugees?

    That was a question from the great Ann Corcoran of REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT WATCH about the mass immigration extremism of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.

    Ann Corcoran answered her own question this way:

    But, now that I know more, it is not too complicated to answer—they are doing it because they are politically-correct hard Leftists working to change America, and they are doing it for the money they receive from the US taxpayer to resettle Muslims in America.

    Because Ann Corcoran is a lovely fair-minded broad, she also said this:

    Before I get a bunch of anti-Semitic comments, just a reminder that the Catholic Bishops, Lutherans, Episcopalians, some mainline Protestant churches and some Evangelicals are also taking cold, hard cash (your cash!) to resettle Muslims in America too! I have never heard of one of them saying—we want to save the Christians and Jews FIRST!

    Tweet from 2015:

  223. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    Mr. Unz:

    Thank you for hosting Steve Sailer and other contributors on your Web site.

    Thank you for providing a forum where readers may also contribute comments freely without a special account and password. Thank you for your tolerance and patience with opinions you may not personally agree with. Thank you for a place where people can speak what is on their mind, and where we can work out differences by force of argument instead by force of compulsion or worse yet, force of violent acts.

  224. @Anatoly Karlin
    Leeeroooy Jenkins!

    Thanks but I’d rather not know. As Unz pointed out, it’s actually, ‘Screw your optics,” something that I could only have previously imagined, Newton saying to Robert Hooke.

  225. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    You wrote a 10,000 word article accusing Jews of using gentile blood to bake matzah. Yes your ezine us far more balanced , measured and neutral than the msm.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    You wrote a 10,000 word article accusing Jews of using gentile blood to bake matzah. Yes your ezine us far more balanced , measured and neutral than the msm.
     
    Truth, as they say, is often stranger than fiction.
  226. Catholic boobs and Episcopalian boobs and Lutheran boobs and Jew boobs and many more so-called “religious” boobs are pushing REFUGEE OVERLOAD on the United States.

    More Debate On Mass Immigration And Refugee Overload!

  227. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    “it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.”

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that’s wasn’t an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    “Several items were seized from the suspect’s home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center.”

    Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    So one case, then.
    , @DFH

    such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler
     
    Good you specified, otherwise we might have thought the murderer was a Knausgård fan!
    , @BenKenobi
    Well, you see, I'm a Moderate White. I don't support those Extremist Whites, you see. Whites are a valued part of our multicultural, plural society. We cannot condemn all Whites for the actions of a few bad apples.

    #notallWhites
    , @anon

    “Several items were seized from the suspect’s home in Aurora, Missouri, including . . . antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler **)"
     
    ** ostensibly written by AH but documented to have had the full encouragement and editorial and financial support from Franklin Roosevelt's Harvard pal and lunch mate Putzi Hanfstaengel

    but, but, Mein Kampf was a forgery, ain't that right?

    Mostly rambling nonsense from an uneducated nut-job, and with very little truth in it, but taken as gospel, for all that: ask any ten Jews: nine will tell you that der Führer laid out plans for holocaust in MK, which is why Jewish elites starting talking about Hitler's plans to "exterminate all the Jews" at least as early as May 12, 1933, way before NSDAP had consolidated power --

    http://www.untermyergardens.org/uploads/2/5/8/5/25851288/untermyer-hitler.pdf


    In his [May 12] address, Untermyer described Germany's policy towards its Jewish citizens as a "cruel campaign of extermination." . . .

    I have given considerable study to this subject and gathered a mass
    of information, all leading to the conclusion that the Hitler party
    is bent upon the extermination of the Jews in Germany,
    or upon
    driving them out of the country.
     

     
    (The date is significant inasmuch as Louis Brandeis had directed by- or on- February 14, 1933, that "all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 Jews must leave.")

    otoh, Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery.
    Mostly true, but a forgery.
    Yet anyone who takes any part of Protocols for gospel truth is a raging antisemite.

    , @ThreeCranes
    "Several items were seized from the suspect’s home.....such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler..."

    Does reading about building a house make one a carpenter? Does reading about a politician make one a politician? Does reading about a rape make one a rapist?
    , @istevefan

    Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates.
     
    If memory recalls he actually ended up shooting Gentiles. He apparently could not distinguish them from Jews.
    , @iffen
    Maybe he’d have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates.


    LOL


    BTW price/quality wise Whoppers are okay.
  228. @Jonathan Mason
    Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents "motherfucker" as much as they like, but call an opponent "camelfucker" and you are going to jail--because that is racist, you see. Call him a "sissy camelfucker" and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.

    The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign--and this should be discussed--but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/97/Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg/220px-Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases--mostly incels or childless--who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.

    “From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases–mostly incels or childless”

    The irony that the vast majority of the heroes of the Alt-Right like Richard Bowers, Christopher Cantwell, Dylann Roof, Adolf Hitler, etc have fathered ZERO White offsprings.

    The Alt-Right might as well just be cat ladies who happen to hate Jews with their extremely low breeding rate.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    So you’re using the SJW-approved definition of alt-right. Does that mean you’re also smearing present company via guilt-by-association? That after all is why they use that definition.
  229. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    Forgive me if you covered the Frank case in your American Pravda series – I have the remaining ones bookmarked – but do you have an opinion as to Frank’s guilt?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Forgive me if you covered the Frank case in your American Pravda series – I have the remaining ones bookmarked – but do you have an opinion as to Frank’s guilt?
     
    Yes indeed, it was actually the centerpiece of my ADL article from a couple of weeks ago:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    An absolutely fascinating historical incident, which I only very recently came to properly understand. It totally exploded yet another one of the "facts" I'd never previously questioned in the American history I learned in school.
  230. @Realist
    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the 'bomber' and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the ‘bomber’ and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    Things happen. They don’t all happen for any particular purpose.

    • Replies: @Realist

    Things happen. They don’t all happen for any particular purpose.
     
    All three things listed happened for a purpose.
  231. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what’s going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

    No, but it does mean that one’s country will be a country like……………Brazil. That isn’t what our parents had, isn’t what we used to have, and isn’t what any of us wanted.

  232. @Lot
    "it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing."

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that's wasn't an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    "Several items were seized from the suspect's home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center."

    Maybe he'd have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.

    So one case, then.

  233. I remember Alt-Lite Gavin McInnes owned these pathetic childless Alt-Right trolls by saying “I fathered 3 kids, how many fucking children do you have? That’s right ZERO”.

  234. Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society Must Be Shut Down Immediately

    All REFUGEE OVERLOAD Scam Outfits Must Be Shut Down Immediately

    Immigration Moratorium Now!

    Deport All Illegal Alien Invaders Now!

    Stop All REFUGEE OVERLOAD Now!

  235. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    Moreover, there are also plenty of Christian “refugee resettlement” organizations that do the same things that HIAS does. The Catholic and Lutheran churches are especially egregious offenders.

  236. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    Consequentialism has to be the worst form of moral reasoning.

  237. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    A post-Zionist Israel doesn’t have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn’t have to mean a country where a person like you can’t live a life of dignity.

  238. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    A reasonable question – why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    Would you ask the same question of the Palestinians? Or of the American Indians?

  239. @Lot
    "it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing."

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that's wasn't an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    "Several items were seized from the suspect's home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center."

    Maybe he'd have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.

    such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler

    Good you specified, otherwise we might have thought the murderer was a Knausgård fan!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    If he's a Knausgård fan, his one million word manifesto/memoir will turn up shortly.
  240. @Realist
    It strains credulity to believe that all the current events in the last month (Kavanaugh, the 'bomber' and the synagogue attack) were not choreographed for political purposes.

    i think there will be people engaged in a strategy of tension to repeal the 1A and 2A but i think the media’s hysterical reporting over the last two years has been enough to generate most of it.

    (i’m not saying there hasn’t been any bad guy involvement e.g. Las Vegas, Parkland etc but i think a lot of it is just unstable people being triggered by the media’s constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump violence)

  241. @Lot
    No ethnic cleansing in the USA? Detroit's white population went from 1.5 million to 0.05 million.

    Well, I don’t have much personal knowledge of the 60z white flight but wasn’t that driven by black crime or the fear of black crime as opposed to a spate of targeted anti-white murders plotted by political figures? Add the trend of suburbanisation and the administrative incompetence of black politicians and it’s not an ethnic cleansing that happened by wilful design.

  242. @Grahamsno(G64)
    The blood curdling antisemitism of the Alt-right which is on display on Unz.com made the possibility of such an attack happening almost inevitable.

    Was this guy a poster on Unz.com? Very high possibility given the furious antisemitic rants which are mainstream here.

    so you’d agree the media’s constant incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump hatred is likely to lead to violence – either directly or as a reaction?

  243. @George
    Mass shooting trivia: The 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue massacre occurred withhin 2 miles of the , still unsolved, 2016 Wilkinsburg massacre.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Wilkinsburg_mass_shooting

    There were actually 2 unsolved massacres in 2016.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_County,_Ohio,_shootings

    From the Wiki page on the Pike County murders:

    “Investigators believe the murders were premeditated, and that the perpetrators were known to the Rhoden family. On April 25, the Ohio Attorney General’s office confirmed the presence of marijuana growth and cockfighting operations at some of the crime scenes,….”

    Marijuana and cockfighting……………in rural Ohio. Gee I wonder what kind of people the Rhodens were mixed up with?

  244. @Tyrion 2
    In reply to Lurker:

    If you believe that a small group of people are congenitally evil, responsible for all wars, sacrifice little children, worship Satan, control everything and are engaged in a milennia old campaign to wipe out your kind, you may feel that you have no choice.

    Of course ascribing total evil and all power to enemies who are specifically out to get you is a clear sign of deep psychopathy, and such psychopathy allows you to, in bright light and cold blood, gun down innocents celebrating the naming of a baby. Will he have delighted in their screams? Probably.

    Is someome who believes the above any more sane than someone who believes the above but ascribes all such evil to interdimensional shapeshifting lizards? Or are they less sane as at least such a belief doesn't require the cognitive hurdle of so utterly dehumanising other actual humans.

    But you're right to ask because, while the real victims are obviously the people Robert Bowers murdered, his actions will be hung around the necks of all nationalist minded people in the West, and what can one say?

    Not that it'll bother the idiots who think like him. They'll claim it was a false flag even as they masturbate over its memory. There will always be sick, as in sickening, people and they will glom onto whatever allows them to fantasise in this way. That secret, abject nefarious evil is stalking them - the enlightened - at every turn. It is the psychosexual dream of every decrepit personality. It is their own reflection.

    On a different note:

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/10/27/down-the-memory-hole/

    Gavin Long is the black separatist who murdered three police officers and wounded three others in the wake of protests of the police shooting of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    Micah Johnson is another black man who murdered five Dallas police officers and wounded nine others, also in the wake of protests over the death of Alton Sterling in 2016.

    James Hodgkinson was the left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who attempted to assassinate the Republican congressional baseball team in Arlington, VA in 2017.

    Fredrick Scott is the serial killer who murdered five white men on Kansas City hiking trails from 2016 to 2017. He was motivated by a desire to “kill all white people.”

    Emmanuel Samson is a Sudanese migrant who murdered one woman and shot seven other worshipers in a Tennessee church service in 2017 as revenge for Dylann Roof’s mass shooting in South Carolina.

    None of these men are household names. None of them sparked “national conversations” about the need to tone down anti-white or anti-conservative hatred and prejudice. No flags were removed because of their actions.

    Well this is a pretty sensible post.

  245. @TomInNOLA
    You picked a great week to riff on the lunatic libs. Do we know if this guy saw Django??

    maybe he was initially triggered by films like Django?

  246. @Lot
    "it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing."

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that's wasn't an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    "Several items were seized from the suspect's home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center."

    Maybe he'd have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.

    Well, you see, I’m a Moderate White. I don’t support those Extremist Whites, you see. Whites are a valued part of our multicultural, plural society. We cannot condemn all Whites for the actions of a few bad apples.

    #notallWhites

  247. @Jonathan Mason

    But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day?
     
    The difference is that Africans do not have 2000 years of civilization behind them, nor Christianity, the invention of the printing press, universal literacy (sort of), Martin Luther, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution, sublime art, music, and architecture, and all the rest of it.

    Just as my grandparents (all born before 1900) were born into a society without cars, tanks, planes, movies, gramophone records, radio, or TV, (though at least they had the Daily Mail, founded 1896), the grandparents of many Africans of today were born into Stone Age tribal societies without running water, flush toilets, and more facepaint than Facebook.

    Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.

    Then again the Serbs and the Bosnians were descendants of the Roman empire, and a fat lot of difference that made a few years ago when they started killing each other.

    Killing one another sounds like a very “Roman Empire” sort of thing to do.

  248. @Lurker
    A reasonable question - why would someone carry out a terrorist act, the only outcome of which will be to empower the people the terrorist claims to oppose?

    hasn’t the biggest cause of death for white middle aged blue collar males over the last 20 years or so been suicide?

    suicide becoming political?

  249. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    "it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing."

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that's wasn't an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    "Several items were seized from the suspect's home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center."

    Maybe he'd have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.

    “Several items were seized from the suspect’s home in Aurora, Missouri, including . . . antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler **)”

    ** ostensibly written by AH but documented to have had the full encouragement and editorial and financial support from Franklin Roosevelt’s Harvard pal and lunch mate Putzi Hanfstaengel

    but, but, Mein Kampf was a forgery, ain’t that right?

    Mostly rambling nonsense from an uneducated nut-job, and with very little truth in it, but taken as gospel, for all that: ask any ten Jews: nine will tell you that der Führer laid out plans for holocaust in MK, which is why Jewish elites starting talking about Hitler’s plans to “exterminate all the Jews” at least as early as May 12, 1933, way before NSDAP had consolidated power —

    http://www.untermyergardens.org/uploads/2/5/8/5/25851288/untermyer-hitler.pdf

    In his [May 12] address, Untermyer described Germany’s policy towards its Jewish citizens as a “cruel campaign of extermination.” . . .

    I have given considerable study to this subject and gathered a mass
    of information, all leading to the conclusion that the Hitler party
    is bent upon the extermination of the Jews in Germany,
    or upon
    driving them out of the country.

    (The date is significant inasmuch as Louis Brandeis had directed by- or on- February 14, 1933, that “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 Jews must leave.”)

    otoh, Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery.
    Mostly true, but a forgery.
    Yet anyone who takes any part of Protocols for gospel truth is a raging antisemite.

  250. @Lot
    "it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing."

    Yeah that guy who went into the Overland Park Jewish Community Center and starting shooting people, then drove to Village Shalom retirement center and did the same, that's wasn't an anti-Jewish killing at all.

    "Several items were seized from the suspect's home in Aurora, Missouri, including three boxes of ammunition, a red shirt with a swastika symbol, antisemitic publications (such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler), a list of kosher places, directions to synagogues, and a printout of the KC Superstar competition at the community center."

    Maybe he'd have done a better job if Jews were properly labeled like your friend Phil Giraldi advocates. Your featured book author Adolf Hitler had one idea on this.

    “Several items were seized from the suspect’s home…..such as Mein Kampf written by Adolf Hitler…”

    Does reading about building a house make one a carpenter? Does reading about a politician make one a politician? Does reading about a rape make one a rapist?

  251. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    Wasn’t there another guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh around 15-20 years ago? I seem to recall something like that happening. I think this shooter was an immigration attorney and may have been insane. Does anyone remember that case?

  252. @GW
    Yeah I don’t think you want racial crime rates being discussed. For every synagogue that gets shot up, how many innocent whites are shot by angry blacks? Or how many churches have been shot up by deranged atheists?

    Then there are all the people Jews have slaughtered in the Middle East.

  253. @Bill P
    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    The sentiment that led to this attack is an unnatural obsession with Jews. That's something people on all sides of the issue ought to consider, because it just isn't socially healthy, and it can lead deranged individuals to act as Mr. Bowers did.

    Jews are neither diabolical beings imbued with supernatural powers nor angelic eternal victims of brutish gentiles. Actually, they are for the most part ordinary human beings, but for whatever reason a lot of people seem to think otherwise.

    Maybe Jews have been dehumanized to some extent, and that's a problem. But the typically proffered remedy for this is "ban all criticism of Jews," which only exacerbates the issue, because all people have flaws and in the absence of criticism these flaws can worsen and aggravate more people.

    So what can be done?

    At this point, maybe it's time for the US to adopt a formal nationalities policy. That could take some of the mystique away from the issue while also allowing for communal rights and a sense of security for those who prefer to remain distinct from the majority. It would allow the majority to exercise communal rights as well, which could ease tensions as in cases where a particular nationality is overly dominant in one elite institution or another. This way Jews and white gentiles could negotiate on a more equal and transparent stage, which ultimately would be better for both peoples.

    There has been a lot of obsessing over Jews lately, which strikes me as a little odd given that Jewish power in the US, at least culturally speaking, has been on the decline for about 15 years.

    Huh? How do you figure that? There’s a whole generation alive today who’s history and mythology consists of Marvel and DC Comic book movies. It’s not uncommon nowadays to find grown men talking about the latest Avengers movie as if it were f**king Tolstoi.

  254. @Jefferson
    "It hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right"

    Indeed the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer can no longer count on public speaking as a source of income for him because he is such a toxic pariah and his wife is accusing him of being a Keith Ellison type woman beater.

    And than of course there is Alt-Righters Robert Bowers and Cesar Sayoc behaving like American History X Nazis.

    The Alt-Right comes off as extremely unlikable, non rational, and unsympathetic.

    …the leader of The Alt-Right Richard Spencer…

    Self-proclaimed, and only recognized as such by Fake News.

  255. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    It’s mostly forgotten now but a Pakistani Muslim shot a few Jews, one fatally, in 2006: 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation building

  256. @IHTG
    There are people on the far right who have basically synced their mental states to the US's white percentage of the population. Every day they get a little crazier, and it's not doing their cause any good.

    I encourage far right readers of this blog to broaden their horizons and consider the possibility that they have fallback options. Look at what's going to happen in Brazil today. A post-white America doesn't have to mean an end to conservative/nationalist/masculine politics. It doesn't have to mean a country where a person like you can't live a life of dignity.

    That doesn't mean you should actively work towards such an outcome. No, support immigration restrictions with all your might. But you need to lighten up and believe that your cause and your way of life will prevail no matter what, yes, even in an America that has lost its white majority. The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it's making you useless as political operators.

    The current blackpilling approach is repellent and it’s making you useless as political operators.

    How so?

  257. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    Ron,

    It might be time for you to lay a little low.

    I think you are a rare man in terms of your honesty and your intelligence.

    But you publish information that could certainly be considered anti-Semitic.

    You were wondering why the ADL was not going after you?

    They will be going after you now for sure.

    And they will have the full support of the US government and the leaders who have taken an oath to support the constitution.

    Count on it.

  258. @Jack D
    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder - is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

    What does that mean – “within American First Amendment traditions”? Is that some subtle way of saying you favor suppressing speech that you consider to be anti-semitic? Or is it an unsubtle way of saying it?

    “First Amendment Traditions” – i.e., the traditions founded by my people, not yours.

  259. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH
    The synagogue shooting is awful stuff, and the alleged shooter needs to be vigorously prosecuted.

    I've only briefly scanned the political hub-bub attending this shooting and the arrest of that Florida mail bomb suspect a bit earlier. There are the "climate of opinion" folks who assert, more or less, that President Trump, for whom I didn't vote, is somewhat responsible for these bad acts because his rhetoric somehow empowers these outlier criminal deeds.

    I think it's fair to ask these "climate of opinion" folks whether they accept the same thinking for the anti-White male behaviors of organizations and individuals the past half-century, or thereabouts. Do civil rights laws, affirmative action, and the whole mess of authoritative supporting rhetoric from journalists, HR types, and so on create a "climate of opinion" that empowers, e. g., Black against White criminality and the vocational disenfranchisement of White guys?

    I think it’s fair to ask these “climate of opinion” folks whether they accept the same thinking for the anti-White male behaviors of organizations and individuals the past half-century, or thereabouts. Do civil rights laws, affirmative action, and the whole mess of authoritative supporting rhetoric from journalists, HR types, and so on create a “climate of opinion” that empowers, e. g., Black against White criminality and the vocational disenfranchisement of White guys?

    Alternatively, are such people and groups responsible for creating the climate and conditions that drove this guy to violence?

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Yeah, I'm troubled by my own reactions to this incident. Pretty much I'm ashamed I feel a trace of human sympathy for the alleged shooter Bowers, because he did bootstrap his shooting with a reference to "displacement immigration", a truly odious policy cooked up by our overlords. Maybe Bowers is a genuinely disempowered, disenfranchised White guy, the type we talk about here.

    The other part of me is big-time pissed at Bowers's misdeed because he's tainted by association the principled and well-argued opposition to "displacement immigration" that you routinely find on this site and probably elsewhere.

    But, yes, if one regards "climate of opinion" arguments as having some explanatory power, then the Left, our corporate handlers, religious groups, and so on ought to be publicly scolded for institutional behaviors that, frankly, disempower people and pit groups against one another.

    Bowers need to be vigorously prosecuted, and the anti-"displacement immigration" folks need to get back into the fray with their good political arguments.
  260. I have a question for all you istevers.

    Is it remotely possible to fail to notice that:

    (1) When ethnic minorities commit atrocities, the legacy media insists that we not crack down on them. But

    (2) When Whites commit atrocities against ethnic minorities, the legacy media demands a crackdown on Whites.

    I realize you all are aware of this, because like me, you’re more apt to notice these things, but is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I’m struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.

    IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    https://www.jta.org/2018/10/24/top-headlines/house-majority-leader-kevin-mccarthy-deletes-tweet-saying-george-soros-tom-steyer-michael-bloomberg-buying-years-elections/amp?__twitter_impression=true
    , @Mr. Rational

    is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I’m struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.
     
    You have been reported to the Ministry of Goodthink.  Facts and reasoning are counter-revolutionary patriarchal constructs and instruments of oppression against minorities.  Ignorance is Strength.
    , @Anonymous
    The average person can't remember who the last Vice President before the current one was, but you want them to recollect the tone and substance of mass media coverage from random incidents years ago?

    To the original post, am I supposed to notice a contradiction here? Supporting Trump is hardly a sine qua non for being labeled "right wing."
    , @iffen
    IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?


    TBD
    , @Fh42
    On the bright side, chaos can be a ladder, the Kurds in Iraq and Syria never had their own state until the Iraqi and Syrian central government weakened due to civil war.
  261. @Rosie
    I have a question for all you istevers.

    Is it remotely possible to fail to notice that:

    (1) When ethnic minorities commit atrocities, the legacy media insists that we not crack down on them. But

    (2) When Whites commit atrocities against ethnic minorities, the legacy media demands a crackdown on Whites.

    I realize you all are aware of this, because like me, you're more apt to notice these things, but is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I'm struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.

    IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?
    • Replies: @Rosie
    Hottest take I've seen so far:

    At least White people never have to worry about a shooter targeting a space meant specifically for them, since those aren’t allowed to exist #WhitePrivilege— Jay Lorenz (@LorenzFTN) October 28, 2018
     
    , @ben tillman
    Pitiful.
  262. @Rosie
    I have a question for all you istevers.

    Is it remotely possible to fail to notice that:

    (1) When ethnic minorities commit atrocities, the legacy media insists that we not crack down on them. But

    (2) When Whites commit atrocities against ethnic minorities, the legacy media demands a crackdown on Whites.

    I realize you all are aware of this, because like me, you're more apt to notice these things, but is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I'm struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.

    IOW, is there any chance that this backfires on the anti-White left?

    is this the sort of thing that everyone should be noticing? I’m struggling to understand how anyone could not see this as a a weaponized double standard.

    You have been reported to the Ministry of Goodthink.  Facts and reasoning are counter-revolutionary patriarchal constructs and instruments of oppression against minorities.  Ignorance is Strength.

  263. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    > Unsurprisingly, there’s a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn’t list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Ron Unz’s schtick is getting tiresomely repetitive and obvious. The gist is Mr. Unz says something like “Hey guys, everybody thinks [X] but I read this [Source Y] and can’t find any mention of [X].” Oh wait… when you actually bother to read [Source Y] it turns out that Unz was full of shit. Either Unz’s reading comprehension is severely lacking given his self-described 200 IQ… Or he’s just plain outright lying and misrepresenting things for whatever self-serving ideological agenda he has this week.

    Let’s actually consult the Wikipedia article in question. It’s available here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

    Well, let’s just jump right down to the “Hate Crime” subsection. The very first paragraph lists an unambigious anti-Jewish killing that took place in America less than five years ago:

    > On April 1, 2014 a racist man, former member of the Ku Klux Klan arrived to the Jewish center of Kansas City and murdered 3 people, two of them were on their way to the church.[85] After his capture the suspect was heard saying “Heil Hitler”.[86]

    Don’t worry, I’m sure Unz has some sort of schizophrenic justification for why this doesn’t count. Maybe a vague Usenet post from 1994 or a made up unsourced factoid from a poorly formatted white supremacist pamphlet that actually proves this was a false flag operation by Mossad.

    • Replies: @miss marple
    The two Jews going to a church were killed by Yahweh? because it wasn't a synagogue?

    Ok but I do see your point about Unz having an IQ of 200.
    , @Ron Unz

    Well, let’s just jump right down to the “Hate Crime” subsection. The very first paragraph lists an unambigious anti-Jewish killing that took place in America less than five years ago:

    > On April 1, 2014 a racist man, former member of the Ku Klux Klan arrived to the Jewish center of Kansas City and murdered 3 people, two of them were on their way to the church.[85] After his capture the suspect was heard saying “Heil Hitler”.[86]
     
    Sure, I actually included exactly that very incident in my comment, since it was mentioned in the NYT article. Except, just as I said, none of the three people killed in that anti-Semitic attack were Jewish.

    Look, over the last 30 years there have probably been over 500,000 homicides in America, including a very long list of mass-killings targeting people for all sorts of different reasons, including religion, ethnicity, sexuality, race, immigration-status, and almost anything else.

    I'd certainly think that at least a handful of those 500,000 murder victims were killed because they were Jewish, but off-hand not a single example comes to mind. I'd also suggest that anyone immersed in the MSM during those decades would certainly assume otherwise.
    , @International Jew
    You missed the attack on the Seattle Jewish Federation, in 2006, that killed one and wounded about six. And the attack at the El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles in 2002, that killed two.

    You've summed up Ron's way of thinking pretty well.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    What about the Muslim in San Bernardino who got in an argument with a Jewish co-worker, then shot both Christians and Jews at the office "holiday" party? Does that count as a hate crime?
    , @Anon
    Count as what? What are we counting?

    I wish to make sure so that we get the count correct, on both sides.

    Be careful though, because it will take balls for Jews to start counting their miniscule numbers against what we have lost to Jewish politics and wars. Don't start getting uppity and chastise the wrong groups. The counting might start becoming sincere as a result.
  264. @Lot
    "the antisemitic commentary around here"

    In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown, and a wide range of views that the Uncle Leos of the ADL would call antisemitic, you should be more specific about "around here" and "antisemitic."

    ----

    Even after yesterday, I do not change my view one whit that third world immigration to the West is the greatest threat to Jews and native Europeans generally. If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn't be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.

    If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn’t be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.

    Who wants to “push back” on the First Amendment? Who says that we are going to do that, or want to, or should? Not I, certainly.

    And the solution to the problem of the ethnic dissolution of western countries is not to ban burkas. It’s to ban the immigration of the kinds of people who wear burkas.

  265. @Rosie
    https://www.jta.org/2018/10/24/top-headlines/house-majority-leader-kevin-mccarthy-deletes-tweet-saying-george-soros-tom-steyer-michael-bloomberg-buying-years-elections/amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Hottest take I’ve seen so far:

    At least White people never have to worry about a shooter targeting a space meant specifically for them, since those aren’t allowed to exist #WhitePrivilege— Jay Lorenz (@LorenzFTN) October 28, 2018

    • Replies: @Marty T
    Actually a synagogue is one of those places.
  266. @Johnson
    This guy read this site.

    That tells you something right there.

    All this proves that white men are the scourge of the earth.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you have eaten some bananas in your lifetime. So have I. Ergo we’re both serial hate killers biding our time.

  267. @Ron Unz
    Well, as near as I can tell, the main reason the Pittsburgh shooter was so angry at "the Jews" is that the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) and lots of other Jewish groups have been supporting immigrants, those horrific "foreign invaders" who are constantly killing Americans all across the country. So maybe he was just watching too much FoxNews about the "Caravan of Doom" heading toward our border and suddenly snapped.

    Hours before the shooting, the user posted: “HIAS likes to bring in invaders that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
     
    Ironically enough, most of the fanatic Jewish-activist types who comment on this website are also zealously anti-immigration, so presumably the shooter might regard them all as being "good Jews" and even consider them potential allies against the "bad Jews" like George Soros...

    Can we start distributing little pins to the pro-White “Good Jews”? (Because arm patches would be bad optics).

    Stuff like this is obviously bad for the right, and it could have been my kids in there yada yada (though I’ll be packing when/if my sons go to Temple). That said, to quote Chris Rock “I wish they’d let me join the Klu Klux Klan…S&%#, I’d do a drive-by from here to Brooklyn.” Good Jews can hate the Bad Jews just as much as the Bad Whites hate the Bad Jews (this labeling can get pretty confusing).

    There’s no hard Jewish conspiracy that I’m aware of. If I find out about one, I promise to disclose all of its secrets right here on iSteve. No, just a lot of powerful and influential Jews that hate the West and hate Whitey. Likewise there are a lot of Blacks that have low IQs and are filled with resentment (by those same Jews). Just humans being tribal + leftist religion (the Religion of Equality as I call it) + a country that no longer has a clear ethnic majority. (I’m starting to think somewhere around 80% is some universal threshold for homogeneity that human societies need to function without too much ethnic strife)

    I’m not sure if there’s a place for smarter than average conservative Blacks in an ideal America, but I think there’s room for a handful of right-wing, pro-White/pro-Western Jews.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Can we start distributing little pins to the pro-White “Good Jews”? (Because arm patches would be bad optics).
     
    How about American flags/pins?
    , @Jack D

    Because arm patches would be bad optics.
     
    A new right wing hero, a man who was willing to put his principles into action in order to save his people even if it ended his own life or his freedom, just this week advised us to "screw the optics".
  268. These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.

     

    http://magaimg.net/img/6l3z.jpg
    , @Mr. Anon

    Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina.
     
    No, that was Nikki Haley. The murderous little twerp you mentioned (whose name I refuse to repeat) was in jail at the time, and had no power to do any such thing.
    , @Jefferson
    "These deranged idiots who shoot very sympathetic people like old black church ladies and elderly jews worshipping really set conservatism back. Remember Dylann Roof caused the confederate flag to be taken down in South Carolina."

    Don't pin these mass shootings on Conservatives, pin them on The Alt-Right and no they are not the same thing.
  269. @Jonathan Mason
    Countries like the UK have draconian hate speech laws. For example, professional soccer players going about their work kicking balls may call opponents "motherfucker" as much as they like, but call an opponent "camelfucker" and you are going to jail--because that is racist, you see. Call him a "sissy camelfucker" and you are going to jail for life, because that is racist AND homophobic.

    The thinking is that you cannot tolerate the thin end of the wedge in any kind of public setting, because next thing you know fringe lunatics will be killing camels and sissies.

    The influence of Jewish money in western society is not always benign--and this should be discussed--but when the Overton window for political rhetoric gets ratcheted up, the roaches come out of the woodwork, or the attic in the case of Dylann Storm Roof, and start killing innocent people, unmindful of the fact that shooting people in synagogues and churches does not really address the crimes of powerful global entities like Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street predators who buy up legislators by the truckload.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/97/Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg/220px-Dylann_Roof_mugshot.jpg

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same. Disgruntled nutcases--mostly incels or childless--who latch onto current political themes to channel their hatred and create a Wikipedia entry for themselves.

    From John Wilkes Booth to Timothy McVeigh, Mohammed Atta, and now a couple of newbies to the Hall of Shame within the last week, they are all the same.

    John Wilkes Booth hardly belongs in that list. He wasn’t an incel or a loser. He wasn’t a mass murderer. He was a political assassin. He viewed himself as a modern Brutus to Lincoln’s Caesar. One may agree or disagree with his actions, but it is not the same thing.

  270. @Carl
    Because they're violent psychopaths?

    Because they’re violent psychopaths?

    How do we distinguish between “violent psychopath” political violence and non-psychopath political violence?

    How many thousands or millions of Muslims have Israel and its attack dog in the Middle East killed?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Syria and its attack dogs Russia and Iran have killed half a million in the past 7 years.
  271. @Ron Unz
    Well, just as I expected, my morning NYT had wall-to-wall coverage of the Pittsburgh shooting, naturally with much of it focusing on the horrific anti-Semitism involved, plus the right-wing anti-immigrant angle.

    It certainly does seem to be the worst anti-Jewish attack in modern American history. The Times described the previous most deadly anti-Semitic attack as having been the killing of a family of four in 1985, none of whom were Jewish, and the killing of three non-Jews as recently as 2014.

    Given that all these previous examples of monstrous anti-Jewish attacks actually killed no Jews, that made me a little curious, so I went to Wikipedia, that font of our Respectable Truth. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge 10,000 word article on the massive history of Anti-Semitism in the United States, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't list a single case of an actual anti-Jewish killing.

    Presumably some Jews must have died in the large number of random mass-shootings we've had in recent decades, but when was the last time any Jews actually died in anti-Semitic attacks? Considering the gigantic decades-long MSM focus on anti-Semitic violence, there must surely have been at least some since the celebrated Leo Frank case of 100 years ago, but offhand I can't think of any.

    Sometimes the impression you get from the MSM is a little distorted...

    The whole incident is far too pat, and the timing – at the peak of early voting – is too neat. Whatever the subjective motivation of the patsy, this was NOT a spontaneous event, but a carefully planned operation, probably to rile up anxiety and shore up the Democrat vote.

    Not coincidentally, the incident was also planned to prepare the ground for a comprehensive gun ban, and for further censorship of competing social media (GAB.ai).

    As Mr. Unz noted, anti-Semitism in the U.S. does not seem to have resulted in any verifiable murders. This is statistically astounding: let’s assume some 2 per cent of the population are Jewish, and only half (1 percent) are readily identifiable as Jewish to non-Jewish strangers. Also, let’s assume only 1 percent of the population carry serious anti-Jewish animus. Thus, conservatively, we would have:

    1. Three million (3,000,000) Jew haters and

    2. three million (3,000,000) identifiable Jews,

    yet no clear anti-Semitic murder seems to have been documented over the past 100 years.

    Now, suddenly a few days before an election, we have the Left’s wet dream: a single incident in a house of worship with multiple sympathetic victims, an “AR-15 ‘style’ rifle,” postings on a Twitter rival, etc. THE WHOLE SCENARIO SCREAMS FALSE FLAG.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  272. Lunatics are a risk in a free and open society the way auto accidents are a risk in a technologically advanced society. There’s probably no way around this, if we’re being realistic. What was the political statement that set off Adam Lanza, the killer of first graders? None. Other mass killers are some lesser version of Adam Lanza, the difference being that they need some external motivation to justify their desire to commit criminal violence and attain infamy. Murdering defenseless worshipers isn’t very far off from murdering defenseless children.

    It probably has to do with an inability to cope. Members of a society that has strong foundations in the Christian faith can probably cope better on a personal level than in a society that has little or declining faith.

    The inability to cope also draws people towards radicalism, where all the answers are simple and one dimensional, and you can dwell in a world of pure emotion. I don’t go along with this “Jews are to blame for most problems” mindset, not because it’s immoral or something, but because it’s simplistic, and therefore unlikely to approximate reality.

    Having said that, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t prominent and influential Jews out there who use their influence to try to divert any negative press away from everything Jewish, and act purely in an ethnocentric way. Why wouldn’t there be? There are Hindus and Mormons and Christians who do the same thing.

    I’ve never had the impression that Steve’s Jewish critical blogs fit the profile of “Jews are to blame.” They fit the profile of challenging power and influence – which some Jews certainly have (in great quantity) – and exposing the corruption that sometimes accompanies power and influence. That’s supposed to happen in a free and open society. That some freak will glom onto one aspect of the message and – through the magic of radicalism – corrupt it into something evil and deadly has to be a risk that we accept and live with in a free and open society. Trying to combat the mentality of radicalism is far more important than combating racism, etc.

    The people who are really sweating right now are the gun rights people, like me. The left, once again, won’t let a good crisis go to waste and will try to conflate multiple issues while emotions are high. Regardless, my prayers are with the loved ones of those lost and those who’ve been injured.

    • Agree: Desiderius,