If Greece actually leaves the EU, or the Eurozone, there’s plenty of business that can be done. But there’s no upside for Russia in just being the stud that Greece flirts with to make Yurp jealous, so Yurp will love Greece again.

I wouldn’t make too much of this ‘civilizational affinity’. The Greeks are sick of the austerity and just want to give the Germans the boot. Russia wants to see the EU fail because it is a rival power, just like the USA wants to see it succeed because it is an allied power.

Both are more conservative than France or England or the USA, but the Russian Orthodox church is pretty much Russian by now.

Wow, what a write up. Israel, you are simply amazing and funny too, about retsina and bouzouki.

“The EU has a triple purpose. It is
(1) a union of bankers against people,
(2) a harness with which the US can drive colonized Europe, and
(3) a tool for de-industrialization and de-education of this most developed continent.”

Yes, Tsipras is a sleazebag who wants to play Russia off EU because the attraction of the West is just too much for the Greek elite, the same one which pillaged Greece together with its Western masters and created most of this debt. It is always the same story, which just keeps repeating itself over and over: the corrupt, compradorial elite works for foreign interests and against national interests and gets to share in the spoils. It does not matter which colors the scum wears, leftist or rightist, they all serve the same purpose.

When they got rid of Varoufakis, it was a sign that EU banksters are taking radical action after defeat. Tsipras will ensure that the referendum victory is turned into another Greek defeat, this is why he was permitted to power. Essentially, he is offering the asses of the Greeks to the EU banksters again, just under better conditions, as if it was never enough how many times they have done it to the Greeks already.

It’s possible to be too daring. The disabling element of surprise does wear off.

Power rarely surrenders its authority willingly. If its own powers begin to fail and it weakens, it tends to lash out desperately and violently to hold on to what it gained through force. Ironically, this begins often to occur at the point of greatest power achieved, which is unsustainable and which in reaction it attempts to extend even further, causing further weakness. To those caught in its throes, it is not pleasant.

Thus the period in the west that we have evolved to, managed democracy, inverted totalitarianism and Superpower, while ascendant and yet inimical to stated western ideals, contain the contradictions for their own eventual demise. One could hope that occurs soon and entirely peacefully, but the major player involved has a record of preference for militarism.

Greece is a ticking bomb, let it explode in the West’s hands. There’s no reason for Russia to rush, and besides, as the author said, the overtures of Athens to Moscow were more PR stunts meant to impress the E.U. Despite Russia’s repeated calls for help and that it would be provided if Greece asked for it, Syriza pretended they didn’t listen. That’s why I don’t believe Syriza intends to leave the E.U. in the cold and walk into Russia’s sphere of influence. They would have done it already.

“This implied their wobbliness, as if they would prefer to lose and pass the hot potato to somebody else. ”

This is exactly what they wished, Varoufakis had to go when their plan failed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11724924/Europe-is-blowing-itself-apart-over-Greece-and-nobody-can-stop-it.html

“They also make lousy wine called retsina and listen to loud dreadful music called bouzouki so we would temper our Hellenophilia.”

I LOVE BOUZOUKI MUSIC!!!!!!

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The MSM including Fox is dismissing the Greek vote as ‘the Greeks didn’t know what they were voting for’.

But is it good for the Jews?

All debtors worldwide should be permitted to vote on whether or not they’ll make good on their obligations. It’ll be cute!

As Paul Craig Roberts points out, Tsipras was recently visited by Victoria Nuland. Roberts suggests that she made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. That might also explain the curious readiness of many other European “leaders” to sell their own nations and people down the river in the interests of the US ruling class. Do what we say, and retire presently with an income of millions per year. Or don’t do as we say, and end up sodomized with a bayonet like Qadafi. That’s how the paragons of Western civilization spread their influence.

“If reports are correct, Victoria Nuland has already paid a visit to the Greek prime minister and explained to him that he is neither to leave the EU or cozy up to the Russians or there will be consequences, polite language for overthrow or assassination. Indeed, the Greek prime minister probably knows this without need of a visit”.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/07/07/greece-eu-situation-paul-craig-roberts/

In fairness, that’s Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, so unlikely to be true.

Great article.
Its is all about courage and threats. The courage of Hellas against the threats of de facto the USA. They know if they “lose” Greece, Russia will gain. Obama pushing for debt relief at the cost of EU taxpayers is a likely scenario, meanwhile threatenign with a secret coup d’etat.
https://herstelderepubliek.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/greece-and-the-winner-is/

1. There are plenty of debts even of individuals which don’t get paid, whether the debtors are “permitted” not to pay them or not. Why do you think interest rates differ for loans of the same amount and term?
2. The calculus about whether or not to stay current on obligations is completely different even for an association or company as compared to an individual, let alone for a state.
3. Sovereign defaults have been extremely common in history, and in the great majority of cases the default has been a good decision.

The European Union=Social and Cultural Filth+Anal Warts=Democratic Party Family Values…

It is actually pretty easy to prevent Goldman Sachs from cooking your books: do not ask them to do it. Sure, the bankers are not nice people but it is mostly the Greeks’ irresponsible spending that led to their current unfortunate position.

Dienekes has also commented on it:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/07/5.html?showComment=1436122585222#c339199290480186587

Sorry, I can’t spend another half hour explaining at length why this is mostly wrong only to press Publish Comment and see it disappear.
1. Goldman Sachs was just doing the everyday sleazy business of Wall St financial services and lawyers. It was the German and especially French banks which were being protected – now by taxpayers – from the healthy remedies of bankruptcy and/or government takeover as in the UK. And it was those banks, long after the GS sleaze, which did the foolish lending to a corrupt borrower.
2. Germany in particular had the additional motive of preserving the Euro by making default by the Greeks a miserable prospect.
3. Now Grexit seems likely (two cheers) the EU will provide most of the help it will need – and here is an opportunity for Cameron – and the idea it would leave that big free trade and free labour movement zone is absurd. As for leaving NATO with Turkey next door!!!!
4. Greece, like the rest of the world, has changed greatly since 1945. Anyway the idea that Greeks then loved atheist once Orthodox Russia is wrong. They were Communists! Remember Communism?

Suggestion: visit Greece as I did in May. The armchair view isn’t enough. But do celebrate the beginning of the end of the misbegotten Eurozone. Sadly it may take a generation.

The European Union=desecration of Orthodox Christian Russian Churches by a degenerate Russian Porno star who later had intercourse in public while 7- 8 months pregnant….Pussy Riot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

White Patriotard AMUUURICA!!!!!=Social and Cultural Filth!!!! on Social and Cultural Filth steroids!!!!!…ship the White Patriotards off to the glue factory for processing….

The problems with this article are things called “facts”. And the big fat Greek fact that really stands out more than anything else is that during the six years since so-called “austerity” was introduced, the Greek debt has continued to grow. Can you liberals do math? That means Greek governments did little or nothing to change course, regardless of whether you blame Goldman and banksters, or not. There will always be creepy money lenders. You have to learn to avoid them.

Yes of course Russia … and China? Another card to play I think – they are sitting quietly back, waiting, smiling. They are thinking of tourism; that enormous Greek industry – what a heaven for those (now deeply unloved) Chinese tourists; what investment opportunities: where will all those Europeans have to go to take their holidays now?

It seems to me that Syriza has everything to play for and that Europe has the losing hand.

I’m rather underwhelmed with this author. The EU is definitely NOT a ” reincarnation of the Holy Roman Empire”. How silly. But it is an effective argument today because it 1. mentions a part of history that maybe 12 people on the planet really understand, and 2. It disparages religion.

The EU is a con. A long con, but a con nonetheless. First of all, it is not a “union”, it is a bunch of bankers who have agreed to do away with all those pesky money/banking laws/traditions, and replaced it with a ginormous, yet hollow, “Trust Us, We Promise!” Any of the EU’s thoughts toward the people (i.e. non-bankers) are basically in the “Gee I hope these aholes don’t catch on too quick” category.

Without equivocation, if you want a better, truer analogy than The Holy Roman Empire, here it is: The EU was designed and executed to be another FED. It is designed to take a cut out of every monetary transaction in Europe. From 6 y-o Johnny putting quarters (or Francs or Pounds or Lire…) into his piggy bank, to a quick 40 billion dollar “loan” to set up the first self-sustaining Fusion reactor, the EU (or, if it’s in the USSA, the FED) gets a piece.

An interesting note: Thanks in great part to such historically notable people as Fredrick the Great (Adolph’s idol) and Otto Von Bismark, The Holy Roman Empire (or, what was left of it) became Germany. How’s that for irony, Izzy?

“There will always be creepy money lenders. You have to learn to avoid them.”

Avoid them in my personal dealings, yes, but I’ve always got time to watch them choke down a large helping of Just Desserts.

The loans were “forced upon” Greece by Goldman Sachs? Doesn’t that deny agency to Greece, or are they supposed to be minors or incompetents who can’t enter into contracts?

One party to the agreement had an army, air force, and navy, and the other didn’t, so I don’t think there was force going on in the way you claim there was.

it is mostly the Greeks’ irresponsible spending that led to their current unfortunate position

Which “Greeks” are you referring to? All of them? Only those that “spent irresponsibly”? The individual “Greeks” who knew about the Goldman Sachs scam? The “Greeks” who believed what they were told?

Which leads me to wonder who is truly responsible for the Madeoff scam. The people who believed Madeoff and lost their life savings? After all, they willingly went out and irresponsibly selected Madeoff from among an infinite number of investment opportunities.

And what about the hundreds of millions of Americans who are “irresponsibly spending” their money on Social Security? When it collapses and they are left destitute, are c they to blame?

Unfortunately this ends up classified as a rant to ignore because you don’t know enough to distinguish between the EU and the Eurozone as to which some of the things you say may approach approximate truth though I won’t stop to verify….

Maybe “creepy money lenders” doesn’t put you in the category of those who are careless or ignorant of Goldman’s role – and who in Brussels, Paris and Berlin was complicit – but it does imply wrongly that Goldman’s was acting as lender rather than entrepreneurial London, HK or Wall Street lawyer…

I was referring to the Greek nation as a whole. Of course it was not individual Greek teachers or bricklayers who asked Goldman Sachs to cook their books. It was their elected officials. Still, they chose their political class, they also made it clear that it was not an accidental mistake that they chose irresponsible politicians by electing Syriza and now voting no on the referendum. So yes, I do think the average Greek citizen is far from blameless for the current trouble.
As for the Americans who spend their money on unsustainable social security: yes, individuals do share a responsibility for their political class and its decisions- though admittedly a small and unequal one. If American voters show a consistent preference for politicians who promise the moon (as Greeks did) then they do share responsibility for the consequent bankruptcy.

@Greece is a ticking bomb, let it explode in the West’s hands

Not a few people use the imagery of the “Trojan horse” when talking about Greece. But they can’t agree against whom is the horse to be used.
Many say that SYRIZA is a stooge of Soros, therefore its role is to fool the Russians.
But judging by the real venom spewed by the Western MSM, their unrestrained display of contempt and barely disguised hatred against Greece, I would be inclined to believe that the real target is the European Union, the parodical re-incarnation of the perennial enemy of Byzance, the parodical “Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation” (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation, Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ).

“The Greeks were right to reject paying the debts, for these debts were forced upon them by the giant vampire squid, Goldman Sachs..”

Greeks were FORCED to borrow money?

Come now.

“Tsipras promised to come to Moscow for the May 9 celebrations, and failed to show up at the last moment. ”

Never trust a Greek.

Trust me. Lying is their second language.

Eek, it’s a Greek.

It is rather “Rebetiko” music, more Turkish and Gypsy than Greek.

There is no titanic struggle of epic proportions in the background here, just a small nation that lived beyond its means and now can’t repay its debt.

Also lol, at Greece calling other nations “parodical”.

Indeed. Sorosyza has been playing the U.S. game all-along. To understand this you need to know that the U.S. is waging an overt war against Russia and a covert one against Europe, and Germany in particular, by using the Tsipras regime. Putin read this ploy which is why he contacted Lagarde and Hollande to warn them what would happen if the U.S. plan would go through and in attempt to prevent it from happening.

However the westerm msm venom is increasingly directed against Germany and its hardline stance while Greece is portrayed as an almost innocent victim of German aggression/genocide. Now why would the fervently anti-Russian western media support a country if that country was indeed a Russian “trojan horse”? The only explanation is that Syriza is a U.S. trojan horse meant to bend German resistance in the only sphere where Germany isn’t following U.S. dictates, which is in running the economic affairs in the Eurozone. Germany knows that if this plan succeeds it will have to redistribute its wealth to the poorer countries so that the Euro-globalist project is made to run more smoothly. That was the plan all along and why the Eurozone crisis was created in the first place and Soros has clearly outlined it.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47642499

[the westerm msm venom is increasingly directed against Germany and its hardline stance while Greece is portrayed as an almost innocent victim of German aggression/genocide]

What on earth are you smoking?

You are obviously struggling to keep yourself up to date, are you inside a mayonnaise jar?

@Greece calling other nations “parodical”

“Parody” is a Greek term, but if the “Holy Roman-German Empire” can be called a parody is not because Greeks called it so, it was because it was a parody of the real Roman Empire (misnamed Byzantine).
OTOH, the MSM is abuzz with warnings that Greece might “fall to Russia”, and that might have dire consequences. I ask why all the kerfuffle if it is just about a “small country” of parvenus who do not know their place and want to eat at the masters table?

@overt war against Russia and a covert one against Europe, and Germany in particular

What really the “Atlantic Empire” fight against is an entente between Russia and Germany. It was what Sir Halford Mackinder warned against in his celebrated 1904 seminal address to the Royal Geographic Society in 1904 in London, “The Geographical Pivot of History”:
“The oversetting of the balance of power in favour of the pivot state, resulting in its expansion over the marginal lands of Euro-Asia, would permit of the use of vast continental resources for fleet building, and the empire of the world would then be in sight. This might happen if Germany were to ally herself with Russia.
Greece is part of “Russia’s underbelly”, the key to the straits.

Israel Shamir is a communist, Hudson and the other guy are dopey leftists, and Paul Craig Roberts went ’round the bend several years ago.

Aren’t there any, I’m sorry to say, “moderates” around who are capable of discerning the truth and telling it?

Greek IQ average is 92 and communist resentment of more talented people, and Greek vices like evading taxes, driving while crazy, and spending other people’s money on la dolce vita, and statist bureaucracies that are huge…this is all part of the deal.

None of these leftist bizarre rants about the ‘banksters’ are willing to discuss the other side of the picture….German ants and Greek grasshoppers.

There seems to be an Unz Review policy of unleashing looney lefties, and , in this case, no conservative voice of sobriety to be heard. Shamir is a confessed communist, and, genetically a Jew, so maybe that means nothing whatsoever.

Joe Webb

Just mumbling “Soros” and “conspiracy” like a punch-drunk boxer does not convert nonsense into sense. It seems to have escaped your attention that today is not opposite day.

If you think “Greek IQ average is 92” is a fact, you are wrong. Furthermore, it makes you appear very unintelligent.

The “conspiracy” part you uttered it yourself, as if in your limited imagination “Soros” has to followed by “conspiracy”, while skipping all the thinking parts in between. Or perhaps it is that you’re making sh*t up to change the subject because it’s hard for you to swallow the fact that you were chastised for your worthless earlier remark.

Please explain, my incoherent friend, how “game”, “covert war”, “ploy”, “trojan horse” and “plan” amount to something other than a conspiracy. Also, if those were the “thinking parts”, I’d hate to see you when you aren’t thinking.

Bouzouki music is sort of like Balalaika music.

Ought to sound familiar to Russians.

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European IQs and Real Per Capita GDP

well Hippo, like a mexer who wrote a letter to the editor decades ago with regard to California’s late Senator Murphy and his remark that mexicans made good field labor for the bracero program at the time cuz ‘they were built close to the ground,’ said mexer stated that he might be built close to the ground, but he could still reach the ballot box….

(No black could have so written)

So my intelligence such as it is , is sufficient to read Richard Lynn’s IQ and Global Inequality, pages 144 and 147 respectively for Greece and Turkey and Greece’s IQ average is reported as 92 and Turkey’s is 90.

This racial argument clearly relates to Turkey’s 400 year occupation of Greece, as well as the whole propinquity argument as it applies to southern Europe, and its gonads fondling the Turkic and Arab people’s similar.

If northern Europe had been closer, it likewise would doubtless have done the same more or less, especially since we Nordics are sooooo altruistic and luvvv the darkies, which includes their private parts to be sure.

By the way, Richard Lynn appears to have parsed out matters even more in his 2012 book on more or less the same stuff presented in my copy of his 2006, but it is hard to find.

Any similarity of Greece today to the ancients is purely coincidental. Lynn or somebody else writing authoritatively I guess, guessed that ancient Greece probably had an average IQ of about 115…to have produced what it did produce.

I reach for my Richard Lynn like the putative Goring comment about reaching for his revolver, whenever I hear the words Culture , Shamir, and other communist and liberal assertions.
Joe Webb

You see such words as something totally irrelevant and unthinkable in the context of international politics as your feeble mind wants desperately to try to avoid thinking much about anything, looking to cling to your round the clock blissful nepenthe with nary a notion to disturb your oblivious tranquility.

I never doubted it was possible to fill out a list or table with such dubious data. I merely questioned its relationship to reality.

Richard Lynn is a massager of his figures, in much the same sense as massages take place in Oriental massage parlours.

“Israel Shamir is a communist, Hudson and the other guy are dopey leftists, and Paul Craig Roberts went ’round the bend several years ago.”

Yup – that pretty much sums them up.

>>> in 1204, they smashed the Byzantine Empire

Raise your hand if you think that the Byzantine Empire was ever annointed by God to rule over all those lands and all those peoples

The Byzantine Empire was the ONLY ever properly anointed.

There is a real obsession with IQ. It gets a bit tacky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPs5p3q05JE
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please explain what ‘tacky’ means. For example, an IQ of 100 is just not enough to go to a decent college profitably. An IQ of 110 is enough for the average good college. An IQ of 120 is pretty much required for doing professional work, although I have seen in Murray/Hernstein The Bell Curve, that med schools at least used to require a minimum of 114, until they started negroizing the whole thing.

The wealth of nations …..totally dependent on IQ and half way decent temperments. The average IQ if Greeks at 92 puts Greece in the same league as, say, Turkey. How is this unimportant?

Joe Webb

Maybe we could crowdfund Greece back to prosperity and after they recover you get a holiday there that pays back your contribution ?

I was very reluctant to come to this conclusion, because I never judge based on the unfounded and bankrupt dichotomy of “right” and “left”. But I must now admit with regret: Tsipras has shown himself to be a faggot.

a “faggot”??? Gee willikers.

As a bio-cultural type guy, with bio first and culture second, I recognize that biology makes homosexuals, with maybe a wee little one or two % of homosexuals getting weird cuz they are pussies, so to speak, and try something else.

There is no Reason to condemn homosexuality in this way of ‘faggot,” etc.

They are freaks of nature, but so are many others where the biology wires got crossed.

Homosexuals should not have the rights of marriage cuz marriage is for children, not sex, etc.

Homosexuals , like Jews, are bringing on a large blow-back, maybe sooner or later. They should stay more or less in the closet, or at least stop mau-mauing the rest of us with their Gay Pride. Pride goeth before a fall.

I have known a few Gays…they are anything but gay…such is the euphuism of the times.

Joe Webb

Bank of Montreal holds in a custodial account the sum of 600 billion US dollars in favour of the sovereign democracy of Ellas (Greece) and 50 billion US dollars in favour of the other Greek state, Cyprus (the north of the country occupied by Turkish troops since 1974). The total amount is incorporated in 7 International Bills of Exchange, a liability of the FED. With their triple A rating, they can easily be used as collateral by both countries’ Central Banks and liquidated within a few days. The deposit has been confirmed by a Greek Court Ruling no. 67650/13 dated 28/06/2013. The deposits were officially communicated to both countries in 2012, i.e to the government, the judiciary, Parliament, the President but also to the ECB, the IMF and the European Commission. The establishment won’t touch it. An initiative to free Greece of its largely concocted debt, was brewing for years. The mechanism behind the move is mostly made up of Greek nationals living abroad. The man chosen to lead the charge is a native Greek, Artemis Sorras. A fiery personality who has been given the necessary financial instruments to start a real revolution. There have been thousands of presentations across the country for the past three years. Waking up the Greek nation to its rich history and setting up the stage to unite under the flag with no dogmas, no political parties and to establish true Democracy. Artemis, whom i’ve met in person, has taken on all of the so called elite that pull the strings around the world. He cannot be intimidated. He remains steadfast to his mission. He has released tonnes of documents that reveal what is really happening behind the scenes. Like for instance, secret bank accounts holding trillions of dollars in the form of Trusts for almost all the nations of the world. And how the Banksters are really using OUR funds to enslave us. And much much more. This could be the game changer we all hope for. Because it has the fire power (sovereign bonds, gold bonds) but also the political leverage based on a historical nation (ethnos) which has been under persecution for at least 1500 years….