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Commenter Screwtape indicts our collective ineptness and apprehension:

George Washington lost at least theee major battles before he was able to secure a victory.

I’m trying to grasp for a silver lining in the dark clouds over Trump, but yes, he looks to be maneuvering toward the status quo.

The thing is, he is surrounded by enemies. He has no true side from which he can direct his forces.

Did he underestimate the landscape? Probably. Did his base? Probably.

He got his mandate at the ballot box and has done some good things, some mediocre things, and some bad things along the way.

But what did all of those voters do after they pulled the lever?

How many scattered back into the shadows because “pussy grabber”?

How many were unwilling to risk a hit to their social status as granted by the Prog death cult, so they held their tongues and let the darkness creep?

How many are willing to step into the parent teacher conference, the church, the little league game, the boy scout troop and speak the truth? To step into the overton themselves, to drain the swamps in their own back yards?

How many are looking for a proxy to joust for their honor in the dc swamp while they let their wives emasculate them in their own kitchens?

The war is not just decided by a man in the DC swamp.

We are in a culture war, one we have been losing – nay, may have already lost.

No one general is going to take down a hundred years of rot without pitchforks and torches in every town square.

What I hoped for was an awakening in the everyman. That Trump would embolden men to take up arms in their own homes and communities; a bottom up groundswell.

Eh. A man can dream.

Some think the ‘next Trump’ will actually be a literally hitler. I doubt it.

The entropy of the left is accelerating, however, and this is a good thing i think. But I don’t see us being able to choose our next general.

No one is going to stand up for Middle America. Either Middle America stands up for itself, or it’s finished. Voting once every four years isn’t going to cut it. We have to stand up for ourselves where we are in whatever capacity we are able to. The costs will be to varying degrees social, economic, even physical. But we are descended from people who have done much more with much less. We do well to remember that.

 
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  1. “The thing is, he is surrounded by enemies. He has no true side from which he can direct his forces.”

    More accurate to say “he surrounded himself with enemies.”

    • Agree: Jay Fink, WHAT
    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    Agreed, one of the most important failings of the Trump administration has been unpreparedness in appointing people to government. As much as the Republicans who have been working against him since day one deserve criticism, Trump has done a poor job of finding people who support his agenda. The exception would be Lighthizer and some of those people, who have carried out some Trumpian actions on trade.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The pills all feel pretty black right now. Could it have been different if he'd had someone like Pat Buchanan brought in from the get-go with a veto on cabinet appointments? Maybe.

    That's all gone now. The borders are now open with the letter of the law--never mind the lack of the enforcement of the law, which had been the problem up to this point--keeping them open. By pivoting to "socialism bad, remember we won World War II!" and with the economic house of cards staying up for another couple of years, maybe the GOPe salvages some split in 2020 (as opposed to losing both houses and the presidency), but it looks like the long-term fate has been sealed.
  2. THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO—CANCEL ALL MEDIA SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND THROW AWAY THE TV.

    Audacious, your point is correct.

    I see many people (whites included) have a habit of turning on the TV first thing in the morning, and leave it on the whole day.

    With all the left-wing lies they are vomit on the TV, non-stop, it makes me sick. So I threw away my TV. I can now eat dinner in peace.

    90% of the media (TV and print) is Jewish owned, and its purpose is to brainwash the goyim into self destruction. The whole day, they are spewing fake news, fake scandals they manufacture, and attacking Trump, whites, and glorifying Israel, black thugs, and showing a black thug throw a ball at a black thug (sports) white gullible white girls jump up and down, to fool the public that this sick behavior is okay, and others are doing it, so they must let their white daughters go jump up and down if a black throws a ball at a black thug.

    The whole day, they are preying on whites, showing loose white girls with black thugs as “family”, etc. while they call blacks monkeys in Israel.

    Eg, a Jewish rag called Gentleman’s Quarterly (GQ), published an article recently again lying that the attack on the black gay actor Jussie Smollett was by the alt-right, though it was certainly a hoax.

    (GQ is owned by Judaists, Conde Nast and now the Newhouse family.) The purpose of the fake article was to incite blacks to exterminate whites, and carry out the race war for them, by proxy.

    Your small town newspaper with white editors and white writers may actually be owned by Judaists in New York and publishes Jewish written anti-white lies under goyim names of fake writers whose name is simply licensed for use.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Newhouse-family

    To brainwash southerners, he even has a fake mag called Southern Living where Southern white girls names are used to brainwash Southerners into anti-white hate.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I completely agree with your thoughts on getting rid of the idiot box (OK, thick-plate, now), Mr. Rational. There was a commenter named "Freddie" on Zerohedge who used to bring this up every thread, whenever it applies, and I got almost got like that myself a while ago on the Steve Sailer threads.

    In How to deal with Salesmen., I relate a quick anecdote about going on a slight rant to the Internet-TV salesman on the porch. My Dad had told us in the late 1970's, no later, how the sit-coms had left-wing agendas stuck into in the shows. Anyway, after telling the guy that, and that TV is nothing but lies, the guy voluntarily left my porch, without being asked ... unusual for a salesman. As far as the commercials go, I can't even watch Seinfeld anymore.

    Blow up your TV.
    Throw away your papers.
    Go out to the country.
    Build you a home.


    Plant a little garden.
    Eat a lot of peaches.
    Try to find Jesus
    on your own.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofvfVPFbiM
    , @Cortes
    “THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO—CANCEL ALL MEDIA SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND THROW AWAY THE TV.“

    As the USA’s greatest poet put it...


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w-sREpqDiUo
    , @Screwtape
    Yes! The power of agitprop 24/7 streaming can’t be fully appreciated until it is gone.

    I’m an outlier for sure but have not had tv or consumed tv shows for well over 10 years.

    Never been on any social media platform. Even linkdn or meetup, even tho those have some actually utility.

    Ive taken a hard line on this and a lot of jabs over the years from friends. But that is turning. People know in their hearts how evil it is.

    There is a much bigger addiction epidemic than opiods.

    Whenever i consume a bit of tv or film, in the airport (fake news) or at a friends house, the most common feeling I get is that of disgust. Like some former smokers who can’t stand a smoke filled room.

    Kill your tv. Cut the social media crap. Starve the beast. Take back your living room and your mind will follow.
    , @Corvinus
    "90% of the media (TV and print) is Jewish owned, and its purpose is to brainwash the goyim into self destruction."

    You face quite the dilemma here. If we are to assume that whites are easily manipulated, then they are not this high IQ, high time preference people that you claim to be. They should be easily able, with their apparent superior intellect, to see right through the "con" game of the Jewish boob tube. But, as you say, white people are being "brainwashed", and in effect, have lost any semblance of thinking for themselves.

    So, on one hand, white people are duped quite effectively; on the other hand, white people are a hardy, spirited bunch who can't wait to go all "Saxon" in the upcoming civil war. The reality is that you can't have both here.

    Of course, the fact of the matter is that white people generally do not buy what you are selling, that the tele-Joo-vision has warped their brains (but some not your own noggin').
  3. @Rational
    THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO—CANCEL ALL MEDIA SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND THROW AWAY THE TV.

    Audacious, your point is correct.

    I see many people (whites included) have a habit of turning on the TV first thing in the morning, and leave it on the whole day.

    With all the left-wing lies they are vomit on the TV, non-stop, it makes me sick. So I threw away my TV. I can now eat dinner in peace.

    90% of the media (TV and print) is Jewish owned, and its purpose is to brainwash the goyim into self destruction. The whole day, they are spewing fake news, fake scandals they manufacture, and attacking Trump, whites, and glorifying Israel, black thugs, and showing a black thug throw a ball at a black thug (sports) white gullible white girls jump up and down, to fool the public that this sick behavior is okay, and others are doing it, so they must let their white daughters go jump up and down if a black throws a ball at a black thug.

    The whole day, they are preying on whites, showing loose white girls with black thugs as “family”, etc. while they call blacks monkeys in Israel.

    Eg, a Jewish rag called Gentleman’s Quarterly (GQ), published an article recently again lying that the attack on the black gay actor Jussie Smollett was by the alt-right, though it was certainly a hoax.

    (GQ is owned by Judaists, Conde Nast and now the Newhouse family.) The purpose of the fake article was to incite blacks to exterminate whites, and carry out the race war for them, by proxy.

    Your small town newspaper with white editors and white writers may actually be owned by Judaists in New York and publishes Jewish written anti-white lies under goyim names of fake writers whose name is simply licensed for use.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Newhouse-family

    To brainwash southerners, he even has a fake mag called Southern Living where Southern white girls names are used to brainwash Southerners into anti-white hate.

    I completely agree with your thoughts on getting rid of the idiot box (OK, thick-plate, now), Mr. Rational. There was a commenter named “Freddie” on Zerohedge who used to bring this up every thread, whenever it applies, and I got almost got like that myself a while ago on the Steve Sailer threads.

    In How to deal with Salesmen., I relate a quick anecdote about going on a slight rant to the Internet-TV salesman on the porch. My Dad had told us in the late 1970’s, no later, how the sit-coms had left-wing agendas stuck into in the shows. Anyway, after telling the guy that, and that TV is nothing but lies, the guy voluntarily left my porch, without being asked … unusual for a salesman. As far as the commercials go, I can’t even watch Seinfeld anymore.

    Blow up your TV.
    Throw away your papers.
    Go out to the country.
    Build you a home.

    Plant a little garden.
    Eat a lot of peaches.
    Try to find Jesus
    on your own.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    I have had no TV for over 5 years. I don't miss it at all. My friends who are addicted to TV are amazed that at this. They think it's the strangest thing they ever heard of.
  4. The costs will be to varying degrees social, economic, even physical.

    Right now, the costs are mostly just social and occasionally economic. People had better just quit being worried about being called names and un-LIKED, before they have a lot more to lose.

    I wrote this under one of the Sailer threads on the Covington kids, but I think all it will take is one particular incident in which no-one on our side backs down, and we have enough brave-enough souls to support a cause in reasonably big numbers, to embolden a whole lot more people. There’s a whole lot of tactics that patriotic Americans could learn from the 1960’s, and I don’t mean old chants and not bathing for weeks.

    People will learn that at a certain numerical level of like-minded people that they can’t arrest all of us, they can’t fire all of us, and all their nasty tweets in the world don’t mean a damn thing. The patriots have a very distinct advantage in being the people that make the world go ’round.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Miro23
    What's needed is more organization and creativity. For example Al Jazeera is getting it right [from the NOI article]:

    A bold and unprecedented documentary titled The Lobby, produced by Al Jazeera, is now unveiling the full extent of this illegal Jewish espionage operation. Undercover reporters with hidden cameras posing as pro-Israel zealots worked their way into the leadership of this elaborate Israeli operation called “Israel Cyber Shield.” In four hour-long segments these reporters made some stunning video revelations.
     
    It scared the Zionists.

    So damning were these reports to Israel’s leadership that Israeli officials and Alan Dershowitz acting on Israel’s behalf made herculean efforts to block its release.
     
    , @Craig Nelsen
    I agree wholeheartedly with AE's post. There definitely needs to be more standing tall out there. Coulter has said the same thing. The only show of public support and respect Trump gets is when he's in Israel. We shouldn't be surprised if his actions reflect that.

    In December, I was visiting my hometown of Norfolk, Nebraska and was drinking some home distilled "shine" with four or five local guys--fathers and grandfathers--farmers--in the machine shed one of them has rigged with a wood burning stove, refrigerators, still, and home-made compressed-air automatic beer can crusher.

    All were very strong supporters of Trump. So I showed them a banner I had made and intended to display at the busiest intersection in Norfolk the next day, which was Saturday, wearing a yellow vest.

    This was what the banner was supposed to look like:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/graphics/dontfuckwithtrump-3x3.jpg

    My spray painted canvas banner was much cruder but it was something like 3' x 12' and said "DON'T FUCK WITH TRUMP" with a menacing Stuey from Family Guy brandishing a hand gun. They liked the slogan, helped me mount the canvas, but none would join me the next day for my stab at displaying support for Trump.

    I don't blame them, really. It's scary for us to do something like that. There were a couple of comments about not wanting to go to jail.

    The next day, I drove to 1st St and Norfolk Ave and began putting up the banner by pounding pointed stakes into the ground. Before I was finished pounding the stakes into the ground, three cop cars arrive and park and two approached me--a young white cop and an older white cop.

    Young cop as he's walking up: Hi, what's going on?

    Me: Putting up a banner.

    Young cop: You got any ID?

    Me: Yep.

    Young cop (after standing with his hand out): You wanna show me that ID?

    Me: Why?

    Young cop: We just like to know who we're talking to.

    Me: You're going to have to arrest me in order to see my ID.

    Older cop (breaking in): OK, no, you don't want to go there. What are you doing with this sign here?

    [meanwhile, more and more cars are pulling over to stop and watch]

    Me: I showing my support for our president.

    Older cop: OK, well of course you have the right to free speech. But you have to hold any signs like. You can't pound them into the ground.

    Me: I can't hold it by myself. I don't have anyone to help me, even though everyone around here supports Trump.

    Older cop: Well, you have to take it down.

    Me (growing angry): You know why I don't have anyone to help me hold it? Because of you. They were afraid they would go to jail. You are the problem.

    Older cop: No one is going to jail for holding a banner.

    Me: Well that's what they said, so YOU guys ARE the problem. Trump's fighting all the power in DC. He's got George Soros with his billions doing everything he can to destroy him, and here I am, one lonely puny guy out here with my homemade banner, and you are shutting me down. You are out here helping George Soros, for the love of God.

    The older cop just stood there for a minute. Then he turned and walked back to his car without a word. The young cop followed him, and all three drove away.

    Now some of the cars that had pulled over to watch this highly unusual spectacle for the Midwest honked and gave me thumbs up and yelled they liked the sign, and one lady ran over and asked if I would take her picture with the sign.

    It was the most exhilarating thing I'd done in a very long time.

    Here's me just after the cops left:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/misc/dontfuckwithtrump.jpg
  5. Hilarious………
    You people for real?

    Kindergarten kids…..vs City Council.

    Don’t embarrass yourself, please.

    What is required is grassroots ORGANIZATION in “Middle America”. Hundreds of thousands of people who could gather, in a day, in any major city there with clear idea what they want and what they do not want.
    I’ve been told several times here, and somewhere else, “we don’t do that”. Fine. My take: “you also don’t do any change either”.

    The reality is: that “Middle America” has no idea about what’s really going on. They are asleep. They still think and feel they live in a world long gone. Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling.

    It’s quite possible they won’t get the idea until it becomes too late for them.

    Kids.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The reality is: that “Middle America” has no idea about what’s really going on. They are asleep. They still think and feel they live in a world long gone. Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling.
     
    This part is somewhat true. Most do not have any idea of who to pin the problems and the societal destruction on. That doesn't mean that most aren't getting truly pissed at what they see. A lot of the anti-traditional-American stuff, the feminism, genderbending nonsense, racial hostility towards them, and economic squeeze, has been going on for a long time already.

    It won't take some kind of organized movement the way you put it. As soon as the Facebook group gets formed, there will already be people on the wrong side trying to co-opt it. Look back at the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements. These things are always taken over by people with more time on their hands who are more left-wing ... the Socialist and Commie types. Try to do this stuff with meetings, cells, district leaders, etc., and the wrong people will run it, and the people will end up on the side of law enforcement to want to shut it down.

    Any small bit of action by some serious small group bent on change will result in arrests before too long for some bogus reasons. It is very hard to be anonymous these days, unless the Lyin' Press and whole establishment are on your side, as in the case with the antifa.

    Nope, one otherwise isolated silly incident like that Covington school boys harassment deal will spark a defense by an overwhelming number of people who just don't care anymore about being called racist on twitter or being made to lose their low-paying service jobs. It takes a certain number, say 200 or 500, to get to the point where anyone else who formerly was too chicken to stick his neck out, will rightly figure "they can't arrest all of us", etc.

    The trick is that the huge Lyin' Press coverage can backfire, as once a story is big like this (on the hopes of another anti-white "lesson") , and for a change, there is this HUGE pushback of people just "sick and tired" of the BS, people may very well wake up. This can happen overnight or in a week.

    You don't seem to know how these things work in history, Peter. Things that in hindsight seem to have happened for obvious reasons actually looked impossible to the people before that spark.
    , @iffen
    Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling

    Well, if ignorance has to be "solved" before anything can be accomplished, we are up shit creek without a paddle, a Dean Martin record and a queer.
  6. Trump can have support from his base when he bothers to lend any support to his base. They are the most hated people on the planet and there are precious few courts or law enforcement organizations that would give any of them a fair hearing. If anyone can hear from them, that is; they are almost uniformly banned from social media and driven from the literal public square by violent paramilitary.

    • Replies: @216
    Much as I am tempted to agree, I cannot for ignoring the facts in favor of the narrative.

    Our people are badly behaved, and are punished for it. Among those younger than thirty, probably one-fifth of the eligible voters are in support of the President, and that isn't counting the large number of legal/illegal foreigners in this cohort that can't officially vote.

    A major failing in interpreting social media banning policies is to think of them in a male-primary format. They aren't, they are created in a feminine-primary format that is geared to meeting two often conflicting goals: profitability via "engagement" and the nature of female users to claim "harassment".

    Residents of blue cities don't want Alt-Right protests disrupting their daily life. We're taking about normie Dems that don't view European-style hate speech laws as that intrusive. Some manners would have been nice, but some people didn't want to be called cucks.

    Our movements are full of grifters, and to their credit the communists have gleefully pointed that out from the start. Solving the grifter problem is something we have power over.
    , @Rosie

    Trump can have support from his base when he bothers to lend any support to his base.
     
    My issue with Trump is not what he has done or failed to do, but rather what he has said and failed to say. He is hamstrung by the hostile legislative and judicial branches. I get that, but why won't he just come out and acknowledge his white voters, like he regularly acknowledges Jews, blacks, Hispanics, etc.
  7. How many are looking for a proxy to joust for their honor in the dc swamp while they let their wives emasculate them in their own kitchens?

    Whence the need to shoehorn the WQ into every single issue of interest on this site? What the hell do wives in kitchens have to do with Trump and his failures?

    • Replies: @216
    Who controls the majority of consumer spending decisions?

    Why are our boycotts ineffective?
  8. @Issac
    Trump can have support from his base when he bothers to lend any support to his base. They are the most hated people on the planet and there are precious few courts or law enforcement organizations that would give any of them a fair hearing. If anyone can hear from them, that is; they are almost uniformly banned from social media and driven from the literal public square by violent paramilitary.

    Much as I am tempted to agree, I cannot for ignoring the facts in favor of the narrative.

    Our people are badly behaved, and are punished for it. Among those younger than thirty, probably one-fifth of the eligible voters are in support of the President, and that isn’t counting the large number of legal/illegal foreigners in this cohort that can’t officially vote.

    A major failing in interpreting social media banning policies is to think of them in a male-primary format. They aren’t, they are created in a feminine-primary format that is geared to meeting two often conflicting goals: profitability via “engagement” and the nature of female users to claim “harassment”.

    Residents of blue cities don’t want Alt-Right protests disrupting their daily life. We’re taking about normie Dems that don’t view European-style hate speech laws as that intrusive. Some manners would have been nice, but some people didn’t want to be called cucks.

    Our movements are full of grifters, and to their credit the communists have gleefully pointed that out from the start. Solving the grifter problem is something we have power over.

    • Replies: @Issac
    Every "movement," is full of grifters. That your president has a DOJ willing to let guys, who bash his civic nationalist supporters in the head with bike locks, off; that is a testament only to the uniquely ineffectual admin. It has zero to do with the outliers, which the left has more of too.

    Shalom

  9. @Rosie

    How many are looking for a proxy to joust for their honor in the dc swamp while they let their wives emasculate them in their own kitchens?
     
    Whence the need to shoehorn the WQ into every single issue of interest on this site? What the hell do wives in kitchens have to do with Trump and his failures?

    Who controls the majority of consumer spending decisions?

    Why are our boycotts ineffective?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Who controls the majority of consumer spending decisions?

    Why are our boycotts ineffective?
     
    You have got to be kidding. That is no doubt the most pathetic attempt at pinning the blame on women I have ever seen.

    Our boycotts don't work because the media hate us and will not boost our grievances. Moreover, people have very short attention spans.
  10. @Issac
    Trump can have support from his base when he bothers to lend any support to his base. They are the most hated people on the planet and there are precious few courts or law enforcement organizations that would give any of them a fair hearing. If anyone can hear from them, that is; they are almost uniformly banned from social media and driven from the literal public square by violent paramilitary.

    Trump can have support from his base when he bothers to lend any support to his base.

    My issue with Trump is not what he has done or failed to do, but rather what he has said and failed to say. He is hamstrung by the hostile legislative and judicial branches. I get that, but why won’t he just come out and acknowledge his white voters, like he regularly acknowledges Jews, blacks, Hispanics, etc.

    • Replies: @Screwtape
    Indeed. I think a lot of his base are disappointed that his overton rhetoric stops short of mentioning the unmentionables.

    He came close when he turned the ‘deplorables’ back on them but has since totally backed away from anything close to aknowledging the existence of a certain identity.

    White identity exists only insofar as it is a space on the page awaiting the ink of the multicultural mythology.

    In writing the ‘white of the page’ is where the story actually lives; the place where the reader and the writer come together, art and imagination. We no longer own this space, our own story.

    We have allowed the religion of Progress to steal a lot more than just our physical spaces. The town square is nothing if a people do not exists in their own hearts.

    I think a big part of why the third rail (JQ) in politics and social commentary exists is because the rail also includes anything that might credit white christians with anything but the invention of slavery or chaining women to the stove.

    The space between white nationalism aka political death and any other mention of whiteness in public is nil.
  11. @216
    Who controls the majority of consumer spending decisions?

    Why are our boycotts ineffective?

    Who controls the majority of consumer spending decisions?

    Why are our boycotts ineffective?

    You have got to be kidding. That is no doubt the most pathetic attempt at pinning the blame on women I have ever seen.

    Our boycotts don’t work because the media hate us and will not boost our grievances. Moreover, people have very short attention spans.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    And BTW 216, if you think women have the power to undermine TPTB with our consumer spending decisions, perhaps you ought to be more civil. I hear this constantly from the woman-haters: "Women hold all the power in society. Who needs 'em?"
    , @A.B. Prosper
    Considering the ongoing death of retail, I'm not sure that boycotts matter much.

    The economy is imploding all on its own with retail stores closing left right and back and while Amazon is certainly getting a chunk of that, a lot of that simply stuff not being bought

    Some is tech, the Internet has rendered a lot of media like C.D. and D.V.D.'s obsolete taking out many of the associated jobs.

    Some is cultural, with low marriage rates and incredibly low fertility, all the business associated with that get hit hard. I've seen very nice synthetic sapphire jewelry on sale for $30 bucks. The hell of that is not affordable for many

    There are other things, drugs being a big one, inflation is larger than most see but the bulk of the rest is simple poverty, wages have been pushed low but housing hasn't been allowed to fall

    It should not take 100 hours of work to afford a one bedroom apartment at minimum wage . The normal custom was full time minimum wage for a week gets you an efficiency . That's around $280-$480 in theory, problem is the efficiency is $700 in cheap California . More in cities where the jobs are.

    This plus school debt means no babies. Even the Latino TFR is low at 1.8

    The thing about this is that the usual money printing shenanigans the people in charge won't work to paper over anything and sooner than later , the house of cards will bite it.

    This is why the Reds are back out in force. Its classic Marxism , capital cuts wages at all costs destroys the market, Communism steps in .

    And anyone hoping for a military counter to that is SOL, the Military will follow orders. Maybe not as far as Venezuela but they will follow them

    Behave socially or be socialized
  12. Yes, many who are focused on how Trump is letting them down fit the profile of “I went to the polls and pulled the lever, so I did my part” America. Maybe they even went to a Trump rally or two, but they don’t get the broad irony: Even conservatives are influenced by the profound cultural impact of leftist orthodoxy in our society, the one that loudly proclaims, “Everyone else is to blame!”

    Most Americans view politics and politicians as just another product or purchase decision in their lives. If a refrigerator, car or surgery goes bad, they want their money back. They seem to think something similar should happen with politicians. It would be interesting to know how many people on this site (and many other alternative conservative sites) actually email, call or talk to their senators or representatives (federal and state) on a regular basis. I’m sure many do, but I’ve been going to (and testifying at) our state’s legislature for hearings regarding illegal immigration or voter verification measures for years, and I generally see about a dozen people on our side vs. a hundred(s) for the left. Where is everyone?? They’re mostly at home looking at the computer and getting mad, it seems.

    Yes, Trump is letting us down, but when a ship is sinking, how do you spend your energy and direct your efforts? Insulting the captain? A wall may or may not be built, but at least you can do something to promote voter ID in your state. Or promote legislation that inhibits sanctuary cities. I think there’s still a chance for a wall, regardless of what (the temporarily and understandably) demoralized Ann Coulter says.

    One of the failings of the otherwise impressive Steve Sailer is that he almost never explicitly encourages political activism on the part of his readers. I guess he sees his job as literary and little else, but throwing stones only goes so far in taking care of the problem. Look at one of the Democracy Now! podcasts (found on this site) and you may start to understand why the left is so successful. I’m trying to visualize the impact that some of the impressive eloquence found on this site could have at state legislative hearings. With that in mind, I think this comment from Screwtape is outstanding.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I generally see about a dozen people on our side vs. a hundred(s) for the left.
     
    How much of this is because those on our side are working and those on the other side are not? Not only are those on our side working, but many work longer hours as entrepreneurs or salaried problem solvers who must work longer/harder to carry the baggage for the myriad incompetents in the workforce due to EEOC compliance. How many on the other side are in fact paid activists? This seems like asymmetrical warfare to me, but outside local government meetings held in the evening, I haven’t attended any legislative bodies.
  13. @Anonymous
    "The thing is, he is surrounded by enemies. He has no true side from which he can direct his forces."

    More accurate to say "he surrounded himself with enemies."

    Agreed, one of the most important failings of the Trump administration has been unpreparedness in appointing people to government. As much as the Republicans who have been working against him since day one deserve criticism, Trump has done a poor job of finding people who support his agenda. The exception would be Lighthizer and some of those people, who have carried out some Trumpian actions on trade.

  14. @Rosie

    Who controls the majority of consumer spending decisions?

    Why are our boycotts ineffective?
     
    You have got to be kidding. That is no doubt the most pathetic attempt at pinning the blame on women I have ever seen.

    Our boycotts don't work because the media hate us and will not boost our grievances. Moreover, people have very short attention spans.

    And BTW 216, if you think women have the power to undermine TPTB with our consumer spending decisions, perhaps you ought to be more civil. I hear this constantly from the woman-haters: “Women hold all the power in society. Who needs ’em?”

  15. @Rational
    THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO—CANCEL ALL MEDIA SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND THROW AWAY THE TV.

    Audacious, your point is correct.

    I see many people (whites included) have a habit of turning on the TV first thing in the morning, and leave it on the whole day.

    With all the left-wing lies they are vomit on the TV, non-stop, it makes me sick. So I threw away my TV. I can now eat dinner in peace.

    90% of the media (TV and print) is Jewish owned, and its purpose is to brainwash the goyim into self destruction. The whole day, they are spewing fake news, fake scandals they manufacture, and attacking Trump, whites, and glorifying Israel, black thugs, and showing a black thug throw a ball at a black thug (sports) white gullible white girls jump up and down, to fool the public that this sick behavior is okay, and others are doing it, so they must let their white daughters go jump up and down if a black throws a ball at a black thug.

    The whole day, they are preying on whites, showing loose white girls with black thugs as “family”, etc. while they call blacks monkeys in Israel.

    Eg, a Jewish rag called Gentleman’s Quarterly (GQ), published an article recently again lying that the attack on the black gay actor Jussie Smollett was by the alt-right, though it was certainly a hoax.

    (GQ is owned by Judaists, Conde Nast and now the Newhouse family.) The purpose of the fake article was to incite blacks to exterminate whites, and carry out the race war for them, by proxy.

    Your small town newspaper with white editors and white writers may actually be owned by Judaists in New York and publishes Jewish written anti-white lies under goyim names of fake writers whose name is simply licensed for use.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Newhouse-family

    To brainwash southerners, he even has a fake mag called Southern Living where Southern white girls names are used to brainwash Southerners into anti-white hate.

    “THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO—CANCEL ALL MEDIA SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND THROW AWAY THE TV.“

    As the USA’s greatest poet put it…

  16. Act together or act individually and hang individually.

    First and foremost, this means synchronized action.

    Any synchronized action is vastly more effective than asynchronous action because of the effects of transients on scale free networks upon which civilization depends.

    Start small and symbolic but synchronized. This will build a pattern of victory.

    Here’s a symbolic time upon which to synchronize action:

    The 12PM Central Time of the 30th of each month.

    Why is this symbolic?

    The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (H.R. 2580; Pub.L. 89–236, 79 Stat. 911, enacted June 30, 1968)

    Why each month?

    To permit a one month cycle for the OODA loop.

    What action to start with?

    Something that will be visible to other actors so that people can measure their force level.

  17. @peterAUS
    Hilarious.........
    You people for real?

    Kindergarten kids.....vs City Council.

    Don't embarrass yourself, please.

    What is required is grassroots ORGANIZATION in "Middle America". Hundreds of thousands of people who could gather, in a day, in any major city there with clear idea what they want and what they do not want.
    I've been told several times here, and somewhere else, "we don't do that". Fine. My take: "you also don't do any change either".

    The reality is: that "Middle America" has no idea about what's really going on. They are asleep. They still think and feel they live in a world long gone. Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling.

    It's quite possible they won't get the idea until it becomes too late for them.

    Kids.

    The reality is: that “Middle America” has no idea about what’s really going on. They are asleep. They still think and feel they live in a world long gone. Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling.

    This part is somewhat true. Most do not have any idea of who to pin the problems and the societal destruction on. That doesn’t mean that most aren’t getting truly pissed at what they see. A lot of the anti-traditional-American stuff, the feminism, genderbending nonsense, racial hostility towards them, and economic squeeze, has been going on for a long time already.

    It won’t take some kind of organized movement the way you put it. As soon as the Facebook group gets formed, there will already be people on the wrong side trying to co-opt it. Look back at the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements. These things are always taken over by people with more time on their hands who are more left-wing … the Socialist and Commie types. Try to do this stuff with meetings, cells, district leaders, etc., and the wrong people will run it, and the people will end up on the side of law enforcement to want to shut it down.

    Any small bit of action by some serious small group bent on change will result in arrests before too long for some bogus reasons. It is very hard to be anonymous these days, unless the Lyin’ Press and whole establishment are on your side, as in the case with the antifa.

    Nope, one otherwise isolated silly incident like that Covington school boys harassment deal will spark a defense by an overwhelming number of people who just don’t care anymore about being called racist on twitter or being made to lose their low-paying service jobs. It takes a certain number, say 200 or 500, to get to the point where anyone else who formerly was too chicken to stick his neck out, will rightly figure “they can’t arrest all of us”, etc.

    The trick is that the huge Lyin’ Press coverage can backfire, as once a story is big like this (on the hopes of another anti-white “lesson”) , and for a change, there is this HUGE pushback of people just “sick and tired” of the BS, people may very well wake up. This can happen overnight or in a week.

    You don’t seem to know how these things work in history, Peter. Things that in hindsight seem to have happened for obvious reasons actually looked impossible to the people before that spark.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    This can happen overnight or in a week.
     
    Agree.

    You don’t seem to know how these things work in history, Peter.
     
    Hahahaha....oh man, that's just funny. Crackup funny. No offense; let's just leave it there.

    When we are on that topic (history), am I correct in assuming that the "Middle America" can't learn from examples from history of other peoples? That's my impression, mind you.

    SEVERAL times when I mentioned some of those (recent) examples I felt all that went into limbo, most of the time. A couple of times, granted, guys came back with reasonable rebuttal, but that's rarity.

    I try to point to examples from Poland and Romania. Goes in limbo.
    I mention breakup of Warsaw Pact/Soviet Union. The same.
    I mention breakup of Yugoslavia, from skirmish in Slovenia to clashes in Macedonia, the same result.
    Ukraine, same.

    All those cases where some people (and Europeans, Whites) rose against the oppressive system and won. Limbo...doesn't apply.
    Fine.
    Hehe...so, the ONLY reason I am in this "online pub" is to see what's that new, original something "deplorables" will do, and how, to get what they want. Can't say I am optimistic, but, that brings us to the next paragraph.


    Things that in hindsight seem to have happened for obvious reasons actually looked impossible to the people before that spark.
     
    True. That spark, which I call "miracle" actually, IS possible.
    Miracles do happen.
    So.....here we are. Waiting......
  18. @Anonymous
    "The thing is, he is surrounded by enemies. He has no true side from which he can direct his forces."

    More accurate to say "he surrounded himself with enemies."

    The pills all feel pretty black right now. Could it have been different if he’d had someone like Pat Buchanan brought in from the get-go with a veto on cabinet appointments? Maybe.

    That’s all gone now. The borders are now open with the letter of the law–never mind the lack of the enforcement of the law, which had been the problem up to this point–keeping them open. By pivoting to “socialism bad, remember we won World War II!” and with the economic house of cards staying up for another couple of years, maybe the GOPe salvages some split in 2020 (as opposed to losing both houses and the presidency), but it looks like the long-term fate has been sealed.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    As I’ve been saying for two years now, Trump never had any intention of building the wall in his first term. He planned from the outset to put on a good show of fighting for it and he will get some measurable portion started/built. But his second term depends on having the wall as a core campaign issue - “Re-elect Trump and Trump finishes your wall, elect (insert socialist name here) and you’ll never get your wall.”

    Obama played the same game with his base on his first term. And Trump is the scripted reality TV show President (he even brought Omarosa Manlyface into his administration to reprise the role s/he played on The Apprentice).
    , @Bubba
    Well stated - the GOP just had a self-inflicted stake driven through its heart with the continuation of open-borders and illegal alien invasion legislation that nullifies more our non-enforced immigration laws.

    And Jared's drug dealer prison release bonanza has destroyed President Trump's image for law-and-order no matter how much Trump says he admires the Chinese for executing drug dealers (President Trump might have also mentioned President Duarte's endeavor in this field of criminal justice).

    I thought Trump would wake the GOPe up, but he joined them.

    Friday's disastrous fiasco cemented Trump's legacy as a 1 term President, ended the GOP's chances at winning another Presidency (forever) and smothered any chance of America remaining a Republic. It was a good experiment while it lasted.

  19. @Achmed E. Newman

    The reality is: that “Middle America” has no idea about what’s really going on. They are asleep. They still think and feel they live in a world long gone. Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling.
     
    This part is somewhat true. Most do not have any idea of who to pin the problems and the societal destruction on. That doesn't mean that most aren't getting truly pissed at what they see. A lot of the anti-traditional-American stuff, the feminism, genderbending nonsense, racial hostility towards them, and economic squeeze, has been going on for a long time already.

    It won't take some kind of organized movement the way you put it. As soon as the Facebook group gets formed, there will already be people on the wrong side trying to co-opt it. Look back at the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements. These things are always taken over by people with more time on their hands who are more left-wing ... the Socialist and Commie types. Try to do this stuff with meetings, cells, district leaders, etc., and the wrong people will run it, and the people will end up on the side of law enforcement to want to shut it down.

    Any small bit of action by some serious small group bent on change will result in arrests before too long for some bogus reasons. It is very hard to be anonymous these days, unless the Lyin' Press and whole establishment are on your side, as in the case with the antifa.

    Nope, one otherwise isolated silly incident like that Covington school boys harassment deal will spark a defense by an overwhelming number of people who just don't care anymore about being called racist on twitter or being made to lose their low-paying service jobs. It takes a certain number, say 200 or 500, to get to the point where anyone else who formerly was too chicken to stick his neck out, will rightly figure "they can't arrest all of us", etc.

    The trick is that the huge Lyin' Press coverage can backfire, as once a story is big like this (on the hopes of another anti-white "lesson") , and for a change, there is this HUGE pushback of people just "sick and tired" of the BS, people may very well wake up. This can happen overnight or in a week.

    You don't seem to know how these things work in history, Peter. Things that in hindsight seem to have happened for obvious reasons actually looked impossible to the people before that spark.

    This can happen overnight or in a week.

    Agree.

    You don’t seem to know how these things work in history, Peter.

    Hahahaha….oh man, that’s just funny. Crackup funny. No offense; let’s just leave it there.

    When we are on that topic (history), am I correct in assuming that the “Middle America” can’t learn from examples from history of other peoples? That’s my impression, mind you.

    SEVERAL times when I mentioned some of those (recent) examples I felt all that went into limbo, most of the time. A couple of times, granted, guys came back with reasonable rebuttal, but that’s rarity.

    I try to point to examples from Poland and Romania. Goes in limbo.
    I mention breakup of Warsaw Pact/Soviet Union. The same.
    I mention breakup of Yugoslavia, from skirmish in Slovenia to clashes in Macedonia, the same result.
    Ukraine, same.

    All those cases where some people (and Europeans, Whites) rose against the oppressive system and won. Limbo…doesn’t apply.
    Fine.
    Hehe…so, the ONLY reason I am in this “online pub” is to see what’s that new, original something “deplorables” will do, and how, to get what they want. Can’t say I am optimistic, but, that brings us to the next paragraph.

    Things that in hindsight seem to have happened for obvious reasons actually looked impossible to the people before that spark.

    True. That spark, which I call “miracle” actually, IS possible.
    Miracles do happen.
    So…..here we are. Waiting……

  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    I completely agree with your thoughts on getting rid of the idiot box (OK, thick-plate, now), Mr. Rational. There was a commenter named "Freddie" on Zerohedge who used to bring this up every thread, whenever it applies, and I got almost got like that myself a while ago on the Steve Sailer threads.

    In How to deal with Salesmen., I relate a quick anecdote about going on a slight rant to the Internet-TV salesman on the porch. My Dad had told us in the late 1970's, no later, how the sit-coms had left-wing agendas stuck into in the shows. Anyway, after telling the guy that, and that TV is nothing but lies, the guy voluntarily left my porch, without being asked ... unusual for a salesman. As far as the commercials go, I can't even watch Seinfeld anymore.

    Blow up your TV.
    Throw away your papers.
    Go out to the country.
    Build you a home.


    Plant a little garden.
    Eat a lot of peaches.
    Try to find Jesus
    on your own.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BofvfVPFbiM

    I have had no TV for over 5 years. I don’t miss it at all. My friends who are addicted to TV are amazed that at this. They think it’s the strangest thing they ever heard of.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  21. @J1234
    Yes, many who are focused on how Trump is letting them down fit the profile of "I went to the polls and pulled the lever, so I did my part" America. Maybe they even went to a Trump rally or two, but they don't get the broad irony: Even conservatives are influenced by the profound cultural impact of leftist orthodoxy in our society, the one that loudly proclaims, "Everyone else is to blame!"

    Most Americans view politics and politicians as just another product or purchase decision in their lives. If a refrigerator, car or surgery goes bad, they want their money back. They seem to think something similar should happen with politicians. It would be interesting to know how many people on this site (and many other alternative conservative sites) actually email, call or talk to their senators or representatives (federal and state) on a regular basis. I'm sure many do, but I've been going to (and testifying at) our state's legislature for hearings regarding illegal immigration or voter verification measures for years, and I generally see about a dozen people on our side vs. a hundred(s) for the left. Where is everyone?? They're mostly at home looking at the computer and getting mad, it seems.

    Yes, Trump is letting us down, but when a ship is sinking, how do you spend your energy and direct your efforts? Insulting the captain? A wall may or may not be built, but at least you can do something to promote voter ID in your state. Or promote legislation that inhibits sanctuary cities. I think there's still a chance for a wall, regardless of what (the temporarily and understandably) demoralized Ann Coulter says.

    One of the failings of the otherwise impressive Steve Sailer is that he almost never explicitly encourages political activism on the part of his readers. I guess he sees his job as literary and little else, but throwing stones only goes so far in taking care of the problem. Look at one of the Democracy Now! podcasts (found on this site) and you may start to understand why the left is so successful. I'm trying to visualize the impact that some of the impressive eloquence found on this site could have at state legislative hearings. With that in mind, I think this comment from Screwtape is outstanding.

    I generally see about a dozen people on our side vs. a hundred(s) for the left.

    How much of this is because those on our side are working and those on the other side are not? Not only are those on our side working, but many work longer hours as entrepreneurs or salaried problem solvers who must work longer/harder to carry the baggage for the myriad incompetents in the workforce due to EEOC compliance. How many on the other side are in fact paid activists? This seems like asymmetrical warfare to me, but outside local government meetings held in the evening, I haven’t attended any legislative bodies.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    How many on the other side are in fact paid activists?
     
    This. The problem is lack of elite funding. The working/middle classes will do the work, but elite financiers must provide the means.
    , @J1234

    Not only are those on our side working, but many work longer hours as entrepreneurs or salaried problem solvers who must work longer/harder to carry the baggage for the myriad incompetents in the workforce due to EEOC compliance. How many on the other side are in fact paid activists?
     
    There are elements of truth in your statement, but not enough to make a valid argument. Sorry, but the inconvenient hours of legislative hearings sounds a lot more like an excuse, and a somewhat self-absolving one at that.

    Hearings on these matters come up once every few months on these issues, at least in my state. How many salaried people take time off from work to get their car fixed or go to a doctor's appointment? Are these issues not at least as important? And since I constantly hear from all sides how the white population is aging, where are all the retired people who could be showing up at these meetings but don't for some reason? Or stay at home spouses?

    I think the real reason for many people (though I'm not implying you personally) is because of fear. Fear of being called a fascist, which I have been called. Fear of being one of only 25 people counter-demonstrating a crowd of 500 mostly illegal (and many of them hostile) immigrants marching to gain political and media advantage, which I have done.

    I don't want to portray myself as something special. I'm not. I only show up at maybe half of the events or gatherings that I could due to other obligations, but if most people who feel strongly about these issues could show up for such things a fourth or fifth of the time, our numbers would expand exponentially.

    As far as entrepreneurs, I was one for many years, and you are correct that it is extremely difficult for them to break away from day to day activities. The problem is that when I testified at our state legislature against raising the minimum wage, I was the only one in our entire state who showed up to make such testimony. Not one other small business owner among thousands (if not tens of thousands) could find the time to be there and oppose the measure. Afterwards, a reporter asked me why nobody else had shown up. I told her that activism wasn't in the nature of conservatives, but I was being diplomatic. The truth was, in part, that other businesses were fearful of being publicly portrayed as robber barons or 19th century industrialists by opposing minimum wage.

  22. @Audacious Epigone
    The pills all feel pretty black right now. Could it have been different if he'd had someone like Pat Buchanan brought in from the get-go with a veto on cabinet appointments? Maybe.

    That's all gone now. The borders are now open with the letter of the law--never mind the lack of the enforcement of the law, which had been the problem up to this point--keeping them open. By pivoting to "socialism bad, remember we won World War II!" and with the economic house of cards staying up for another couple of years, maybe the GOPe salvages some split in 2020 (as opposed to losing both houses and the presidency), but it looks like the long-term fate has been sealed.

    As I’ve been saying for two years now, Trump never had any intention of building the wall in his first term. He planned from the outset to put on a good show of fighting for it and he will get some measurable portion started/built. But his second term depends on having the wall as a core campaign issue – “Re-elect Trump and Trump finishes your wall, elect (insert socialist name here) and you’ll never get your wall.”

    Obama played the same game with his base on his first term. And Trump is the scripted reality TV show President (he even brought Omarosa Manlyface into his administration to reprise the role s/he played on The Apprentice).

    • Replies: @216
    The "border-adjustment tax" which was to have made Mexico pay was defeated in the early days of the admin by lobbyists.
  23. Nobody can help the working class except the working class. This was a truism among lefties before the New Deal. If the American working class was conscious of being working class it would behave more like the yellow vests.

    Although working class consciousness is still asleep white consciousness is rising among whites outside the deep south. Some degree of white solidarity will strengthen resistance against left authoritarianism. But the entire working class, black brown and white, will have to unite to blunt the power of international Capitalism. A Nationalist working class can come to terms with a Nationalist Capitalism. But the Globalists must be defeated if we are not all to become serfs in the Globalist’s Neo-Feudalism

    • Replies: @iffen
    If the American working class was conscious of being working class


    We had field trials, Marxism lost every time.
  24. But we are descended from people who have done much more with much less.

    Who is this “we,” Kemo Sabe?

    • Replies: @Talha
    That statement is true for everyone on this thread. We stand on the shoulders of giants. The stuff my mother tells me that my grandfather went through...amazing. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for others.

    Peace.

  25. @Stan d Mute
    As I’ve been saying for two years now, Trump never had any intention of building the wall in his first term. He planned from the outset to put on a good show of fighting for it and he will get some measurable portion started/built. But his second term depends on having the wall as a core campaign issue - “Re-elect Trump and Trump finishes your wall, elect (insert socialist name here) and you’ll never get your wall.”

    Obama played the same game with his base on his first term. And Trump is the scripted reality TV show President (he even brought Omarosa Manlyface into his administration to reprise the role s/he played on The Apprentice).

    The “border-adjustment tax” which was to have made Mexico pay was defeated in the early days of the admin by lobbyists.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The “border-adjustment tax” ...
     
    It didn't really matter. That idea was just a clever one to get immigration patriots excited and to piss of the right people, though I have nothing against it. My point is that the money needed to build a proper border wall/barrier is INSIGNIFICANT compared to the budget of the US Feral Gov't. (See Border control vs. the interstate highway system and Border control maintenance vs. defending some Koreans against other Koreans.)

    It was NEVER about the money. No matter where the money comes from, nothing will be done until the people FORCE IT to get done.

  26. Why do otherwise useless people draw a check from the media?

    Because they need the sellout right to counter-signal the people they allegedly represent.

    Every Dem pol in this country held us personally accountable. But “this is sad”.

    We are at the “conservatives pounce” stage of narrative collapse. And she will soon claim to be a “victim of online harassment”.

  27. No one will do anything.

    We simply have it too good. Seriously, I’m at the top of my income ceiling without working 70 hours a week. I have, literally, everything I want. I’ve moved to a largely all white area, virtually zero crime.

    But even when I talk to people about actually doing something, unless it is a protest (useless) or a speech (useless) or something benign, no one wants part of it. I’ve long argued that the time for peaceful “working the system” was long ago passed. No one wants part of the work and sacrifice needed to replenish the tree of liberty.

    Pastor preach pacifism and obedience. Good men being feed emasculating sermons reducing them to meek sheep.

    The beer is too good (so they tell me anyway), the circus is on 24×7, Rome has been burning for decades.

    I mean, seriously, if someone said “if we can get 1 million men to march on DC with AR15s, in a uniform to stage a peaceful coup, we could restore the government to at least constitutional bounds”, would even 1,000 people show? (it would take a weekend of learning how to march in unison because mobs are scary to those in the immediate area, but a uniformed, marching army-like group terrifies the nation) Heck, we could even use useless idiots and promise those who participate a rebate on their college tuition and make the banks eat it. Still would require a hundred thousand men willing to stand up and risk everything. I don’t think enough men exist who would. The internet is full of empty promises too.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    You are definitely onto something here.

    This

    We simply have it too good.
     
    creates

    No one wants part of the work and sacrifice needed to replenish the tree of liberty.
     
    and

    ...would require a hundred thousand men willing to stand up and risk everything. I don’t think enough men exist who would.
     
    You are onto start of a good track in your comment (that "thousands"). PLENTY to work on, though, if you wish to follow it up.

    A scenario for your, say, homework, if you will:
    What could happen then things, in general, get to "we simply have it bad" for majority, in a couple of states?
    A couple of options there.Several scenarios and possible outcomes.
    Try making some flowcharts...
    Could be better use of time than watching a ball game, even more interesting.
  28. I suppose I could stand up like the article says; it’s well written and I agree with its theme, but reality has a way of rearing its ugly head. If I stand up, I will be out of a job, lose my house, and be unable to support my family. My former co-workers and most of my family will shun me because they will think I’m insane, as they make up what is the majority of middle America that has absolutely no idea what’s coming. Now I’m unemployed and alone. Can I move in with Screwtape at that point?

    The change (read: violence) will begin when either the welfare entitlements and government pensions start to dry up and those fokes begin to loot and burn in the urban areas, or when economic collapse drives the working class out of their jobs and puts them into a position of nothing left to lose.

    If the kind of populist driven reversal of course is going to happen absent those two things, it will have to be started by a group of individuals who have the resources to sustain it through the beginning stages (the FF were not middle class, they were the rich guys.)

    I’m also more genuinely concerned about the idea of firearm confiscation becoming a real possibility than ever. Here in Shillinois, Pritzger seems pretty intent an making a legit attempt at doing so (btw his brother is a former army colonel who served for 26 years, retired, and has since become a transsexual who splits his time between Chicago and Israel.) So then if it happens, who are all of these so-called red pilled police going to side with at that moment of truth? The people and the 2ndA? Or their own pensions? To ask is to answer it. The police in metro areas, as we have seen in all of these LARPing dust ups the last few years, either take the antifa side or remain out of sight. Any attempt for a dissident group to organize would be shut down by the SWAT teams made up of “conservative” cops.

    The larger point is the police are not on our side, and won’t be if there is violence. They will serve their masters in the state on the promise of comfortable salaries, OT, healthcare, and pensions . They will shoot us down in a heartbeat if we organize or refuse to give up our guns. If you want an example as to why I believe this, visit the Second City Cop website and see how these two “conservative” cops feel about pensions. They feel as emphatically entitled to them as any garden variety negro does about his LINK card. Has anyone here actually known of a commenter to identify as a police officer at UR? I’ve been reading here for over 2 years and haven’t run across a single cop (that I can remember.) They probably are here but keep it to themselves. That speaks for itself. Cops are paid legionaries; their loyalty is to the man who gives them coin.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I suppose I could stand up like the article says; it’s well written and I agree with its theme, but reality has a way of rearing its ugly head. If I stand up, I will be out of a job, lose my house, and be unable to support my family. My former co-workers and most of my family will shun me because they will think I’m insane, as they make up what is the majority of middle America that has absolutely no idea what’s coming. Now I’m unemployed and alone. Can I move in with Screwtape at that point?
     
    This is all very true, and will be until it (possibly) isn't. Yeah, if things move slowly along, The State will indeed slowly get the guns, shut down any speech that's not approved, and make Americans even more afraid to do anything against the system and to disrupt their own Bread & Circuses. I mean, the East German (oh, Democratic Republic of Germany) Stasi could only imagine the spy-power and control that exists now in their wet dreams! (See The New Stasi - Same as the Old Stasi?.)

    Yes, Mike and others, white family men especially are in a bad spot, and things look grim indeed, but you don't always know when regular people may decide to stand up. I think that it could turn on a dime, with just one incident that blows up the wrong way (wrong for The State). The other side is not as careful as they should be because,

    a) They think their destruction of our culture will continue apace, and they have indeed been #Winning, so far.

    b) They are stupid and not cautious, as an E. German state apparatchik would have been.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    BTW, my optimism aside, that comment tells it like it is now, sure enough.
    , @Screwtape
    You and others here raise valid points re: the very real personal risks, the limited economic resources and social reach of the middle and lower strata, the relative abundance and easy living most still have - albeit precarious per the risks laid out.

    All while the wealthier still have the means to insulate or separate themselves from the multiculti dystopia they seem bent on ushering in.

    I don’t have many answers. Trying to work it out for myself. I also know there is a huge difference between the ability to articulate the problems and the ability to deploy meaningful solutions IRL.

    I agree that the course ahead seems rather black pill, that until something drastic enough to draw something akin to natural law back into the system, some kind of social movement is unlikely to spring forth.

    Yet i also believe that there are personal, small turns of the dial that can create meaningful change in aggregate - or even for one man and those he loves.

    We don’t know what doors may open or what might just cascade from a few choices and actions in our daily lives.

    Ive made some and paid heavily for them. But have also made some that found fertile ground I didn’t see at first.

    I wont bore with the details. But there are ways. At the very least, pulling a few more men from the slumber of pluralistic ignorance is worth something. So I focus on my own house and draw concentric circles out from there.

    Speaking of, i do have a spare room. Though after I made the choice to leave corporate employment ten years back i make much less money, so i just rent, which means when my lease rolls i may have to downsize again.
    , @Tungarian
    A hard hitting comment Mike. In all fairness, I'd love LOVE to hear from anonymous cops here [if any]. Till date they've shown themselves to be superb enforcers of the dystopia ordained by our "betters". Has anyone made an attempt to red pill the cops about what/who they are actually 'protecting and serving"? I've had stumbled upon a certain blog some time back from a former marine who wanted to red pill people about the utter waste there is in serving ZOG by killing and dying folks over "there" while our borders are deliberately kept wide open by those very people.

    Do we have a similar blog [no matter how small, for now] for die polizei?
  29. @Audacious Epigone
    The pills all feel pretty black right now. Could it have been different if he'd had someone like Pat Buchanan brought in from the get-go with a veto on cabinet appointments? Maybe.

    That's all gone now. The borders are now open with the letter of the law--never mind the lack of the enforcement of the law, which had been the problem up to this point--keeping them open. By pivoting to "socialism bad, remember we won World War II!" and with the economic house of cards staying up for another couple of years, maybe the GOPe salvages some split in 2020 (as opposed to losing both houses and the presidency), but it looks like the long-term fate has been sealed.

    Well stated – the GOP just had a self-inflicted stake driven through its heart with the continuation of open-borders and illegal alien invasion legislation that nullifies more our non-enforced immigration laws.

    And Jared’s drug dealer prison release bonanza has destroyed President Trump’s image for law-and-order no matter how much Trump says he admires the Chinese for executing drug dealers (President Trump might have also mentioned President Duarte’s endeavor in this field of criminal justice).

    I thought Trump would wake the GOPe up, but he joined them.

    Friday’s disastrous fiasco cemented Trump’s legacy as a 1 term President, ended the GOP’s chances at winning another Presidency (forever) and smothered any chance of America remaining a Republic. It was a good experiment while it lasted.

  30. @Stan d Mute

    I generally see about a dozen people on our side vs. a hundred(s) for the left.
     
    How much of this is because those on our side are working and those on the other side are not? Not only are those on our side working, but many work longer hours as entrepreneurs or salaried problem solvers who must work longer/harder to carry the baggage for the myriad incompetents in the workforce due to EEOC compliance. How many on the other side are in fact paid activists? This seems like asymmetrical warfare to me, but outside local government meetings held in the evening, I haven’t attended any legislative bodies.

    How many on the other side are in fact paid activists?

    This. The problem is lack of elite funding. The working/middle classes will do the work, but elite financiers must provide the means.

  31. @iffen
    But we are descended from people who have done much more with much less.


    Who is this "we," Kemo Sabe?

    That statement is true for everyone on this thread. We stand on the shoulders of giants. The stuff my mother tells me that my grandfather went through…amazing. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for others.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    We stand on the shoulders of giants.


    True enough, Talha, but that was not what I was referencing. I was referencing people like you.There are 5 we's in that paragraph. Many here don't want to get down to the nitty gritty and define "we." Does the we include you, Talha? At least you are forthright enough to tell us that when we have a Muslim majority then "we" will be dhimmi.

  32. anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of people are in circumstances where letting their true opinions be known would harm their career so for them it’s prudent to just keep silent. Likewise, during the run-up to the election Trump supporters had to face open harassment and intimidation so therefore most chose to fly under the radar. Apparently there were more out there than was known since he won. Likewise most patriotic Americans find daily life easier by avoiding conflict and argumentation by simply not discussing politics outside of friendly environments. In mixed areas the hassle is just too much. The patriots know each other by sounding others out in conversation and then loosen up. This isn’t a desirable state of affairs but things seem to be shifting gradually with more people becoming a bit more outspoken. The Catholic high school kids are an example for others to stand their ground. The problem is people wish for immediate change whereas the reality is that the winds shift gradually. It’s a thirty year process to overturn the cultural rot of the previous thirty. Things like the entire educational system have to be regained and taken out of the hands of the PC-cultists who’ve been running it. The hysterical shrillness and radicalism of the PC-SJW cultists is a sign of their fear that they’ll lose their gains, a fear that’s not without a basis in reality.

  33. @Achmed E. Newman

    The costs will be to varying degrees social, economic, even physical.
     
    Right now, the costs are mostly just social and occasionally economic. People had better just quit being worried about being called names and un-LIKED, before they have a lot more to lose.

    I wrote this under one of the Sailer threads on the Covington kids, but I think all it will take is one particular incident in which no-one on our side backs down, and we have enough brave-enough souls to support a cause in reasonably big numbers, to embolden a whole lot more people. There's a whole lot of tactics that patriotic Americans could learn from the 1960's, and I don't mean old chants and not bathing for weeks.

    People will learn that at a certain numerical level of like-minded people that they can't arrest all of us, they can't fire all of us, and all their nasty tweets in the world don't mean a damn thing. The patriots have a very distinct advantage in being the people that make the world go 'round.

    What’s needed is more organization and creativity. For example Al Jazeera is getting it right [from the NOI article]:

    A bold and unprecedented documentary titled The Lobby, produced by Al Jazeera, is now unveiling the full extent of this illegal Jewish espionage operation. Undercover reporters with hidden cameras posing as pro-Israel zealots worked their way into the leadership of this elaborate Israeli operation called “Israel Cyber Shield.” In four hour-long segments these reporters made some stunning video revelations.

    It scared the Zionists.

    So damning were these reports to Israel’s leadership that Israeli officials and Alan Dershowitz acting on Israel’s behalf made herculean efforts to block its release.

  34. @Rosie

    Trump can have support from his base when he bothers to lend any support to his base.
     
    My issue with Trump is not what he has done or failed to do, but rather what he has said and failed to say. He is hamstrung by the hostile legislative and judicial branches. I get that, but why won't he just come out and acknowledge his white voters, like he regularly acknowledges Jews, blacks, Hispanics, etc.

    Indeed. I think a lot of his base are disappointed that his overton rhetoric stops short of mentioning the unmentionables.

    He came close when he turned the ‘deplorables’ back on them but has since totally backed away from anything close to aknowledging the existence of a certain identity.

    White identity exists only insofar as it is a space on the page awaiting the ink of the multicultural mythology.

    In writing the ‘white of the page’ is where the story actually lives; the place where the reader and the writer come together, art and imagination. We no longer own this space, our own story.

    We have allowed the religion of Progress to steal a lot more than just our physical spaces. The town square is nothing if a people do not exists in their own hearts.

    I think a big part of why the third rail (JQ) in politics and social commentary exists is because the rail also includes anything that might credit white christians with anything but the invention of slavery or chaining women to the stove.

    The space between white nationalism aka political death and any other mention of whiteness in public is nil.

    • Agree: densa, Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @densa
    They, with the help of the enemedia, are always way ahead. It's the 'we create reality and while you are reacting to it we create more' principle. Thus any resistance to open borders is hate. We never had a country with boundaries around it geographically and culturally. No, anything nationalistic is hate, bigotry and racism.

    You can never suggest gender benders need to take responsibility for their own lives. You want a federal law pointing out that it's illegal to do to them what it is illegal to do to anyone? Fine, but all the tedious rest of their specialness should be open to debate.

    Propaganda instead of education in the schools and media? Any debate on the limits of what schools should teach? No, your whiteness is toxic. Just get rid of that and the world is going to be utopia.

    Whites put all the blacks into slavery and stole the land from the noble Native Americans. Millions now think that. Makes them educated to spout such nonsense. Want to widen that debate? Forget it, your white privilege moots any challenge. Whites have historic original sin.

    The Left just got through nullifying an election with their Resistance, and redefining all opposition to their rather insane policies and beliefs as undebatable hatred. Discuss whether we'll be a happier country when the invasion makes us 450 million? Ask who pays for all this largess? Never. You are with us or against us, for open borders or a Nazi.

    Brilliant really, but it was done with intent over time, with money, with media control, and I believe with military applications of psyops.

    The only power we have is that we are right. We have a right to our country, to defend ourselves, to enjoy that which our ancestors bestowed upon us, and to live and enjoy our lives to the best of our ability. The attack on us is everything they accused us of: hatred, bigotry, entitlement, superiority.

    I know many think it weak to wait for the calvary, but I have hoped that somewhere within the trillions of dollars of defense there was a kernel of our own resistance, patriots who would stick the knives between the ribs where needed. Without that kind of support, it is hard to see us winning.
  35. @216
    The "border-adjustment tax" which was to have made Mexico pay was defeated in the early days of the admin by lobbyists.

    The “border-adjustment tax” …

    It didn’t really matter. That idea was just a clever one to get immigration patriots excited and to piss of the right people, though I have nothing against it. My point is that the money needed to build a proper border wall/barrier is INSIGNIFICANT compared to the budget of the US Feral Gov’t. (See Border control vs. the interstate highway system and Border control maintenance vs. defending some Koreans against other Koreans.)

    It was NEVER about the money. No matter where the money comes from, nothing will be done until the people FORCE IT to get done.

  36. @Rational
    THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO—CANCEL ALL MEDIA SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND THROW AWAY THE TV.

    Audacious, your point is correct.

    I see many people (whites included) have a habit of turning on the TV first thing in the morning, and leave it on the whole day.

    With all the left-wing lies they are vomit on the TV, non-stop, it makes me sick. So I threw away my TV. I can now eat dinner in peace.

    90% of the media (TV and print) is Jewish owned, and its purpose is to brainwash the goyim into self destruction. The whole day, they are spewing fake news, fake scandals they manufacture, and attacking Trump, whites, and glorifying Israel, black thugs, and showing a black thug throw a ball at a black thug (sports) white gullible white girls jump up and down, to fool the public that this sick behavior is okay, and others are doing it, so they must let their white daughters go jump up and down if a black throws a ball at a black thug.

    The whole day, they are preying on whites, showing loose white girls with black thugs as “family”, etc. while they call blacks monkeys in Israel.

    Eg, a Jewish rag called Gentleman’s Quarterly (GQ), published an article recently again lying that the attack on the black gay actor Jussie Smollett was by the alt-right, though it was certainly a hoax.

    (GQ is owned by Judaists, Conde Nast and now the Newhouse family.) The purpose of the fake article was to incite blacks to exterminate whites, and carry out the race war for them, by proxy.

    Your small town newspaper with white editors and white writers may actually be owned by Judaists in New York and publishes Jewish written anti-white lies under goyim names of fake writers whose name is simply licensed for use.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Newhouse-family

    To brainwash southerners, he even has a fake mag called Southern Living where Southern white girls names are used to brainwash Southerners into anti-white hate.

    Yes! The power of agitprop 24/7 streaming can’t be fully appreciated until it is gone.

    I’m an outlier for sure but have not had tv or consumed tv shows for well over 10 years.

    Never been on any social media platform. Even linkdn or meetup, even tho those have some actually utility.

    Ive taken a hard line on this and a lot of jabs over the years from friends. But that is turning. People know in their hearts how evil it is.

    There is a much bigger addiction epidemic than opiods.

    Whenever i consume a bit of tv or film, in the airport (fake news) or at a friends house, the most common feeling I get is that of disgust. Like some former smokers who can’t stand a smoke filled room.

    Kill your tv. Cut the social media crap. Starve the beast. Take back your living room and your mind will follow.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    It's been 20 years for me, dude, so I've got you beat. Never been on Faceboot or the others you mention, though I've had people I'd like to keep in touch with email me with a Linkdyn link. You know what, they can call me up, or I'll catch them later on a trip.

    I hope this is not bothering our host (the links, that is), but this anti-TV think is my specialty, I'll have you all know. Here are more on TV force-feeding in the lobby and More on the TV, aka Gov-Media, agenda.

    Yeah, Screwtape, we are definitely on the same page with this. I can only watch movies (on the house screen - we still have it, but never use the receiver, and no cable) that were made before the early 1990's, without having to switch 'em out as soon as I get to anything PC - in fact, I wrote 3 movie reviews in 1 a while back, as it took 3 from the library to get 1 worth watching!
  37. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I suppose I could stand up like the article says; it's well written and I agree with its theme, but reality has a way of rearing its ugly head. If I stand up, I will be out of a job, lose my house, and be unable to support my family. My former co-workers and most of my family will shun me because they will think I'm insane, as they make up what is the majority of middle America that has absolutely no idea what's coming. Now I'm unemployed and alone. Can I move in with Screwtape at that point?

    The change (read: violence) will begin when either the welfare entitlements and government pensions start to dry up and those fokes begin to loot and burn in the urban areas, or when economic collapse drives the working class out of their jobs and puts them into a position of nothing left to lose.

    If the kind of populist driven reversal of course is going to happen absent those two things, it will have to be started by a group of individuals who have the resources to sustain it through the beginning stages (the FF were not middle class, they were the rich guys.)

    I'm also more genuinely concerned about the idea of firearm confiscation becoming a real possibility than ever. Here in Shillinois, Pritzger seems pretty intent an making a legit attempt at doing so (btw his brother is a former army colonel who served for 26 years, retired, and has since become a transsexual who splits his time between Chicago and Israel.) So then if it happens, who are all of these so-called red pilled police going to side with at that moment of truth? The people and the 2ndA? Or their own pensions? To ask is to answer it. The police in metro areas, as we have seen in all of these LARPing dust ups the last few years, either take the antifa side or remain out of sight. Any attempt for a dissident group to organize would be shut down by the SWAT teams made up of "conservative" cops.

    The larger point is the police are not on our side, and won't be if there is violence. They will serve their masters in the state on the promise of comfortable salaries, OT, healthcare, and pensions . They will shoot us down in a heartbeat if we organize or refuse to give up our guns. If you want an example as to why I believe this, visit the Second City Cop website and see how these two "conservative" cops feel about pensions. They feel as emphatically entitled to them as any garden variety negro does about his LINK card. Has anyone here actually known of a commenter to identify as a police officer at UR? I've been reading here for over 2 years and haven't run across a single cop (that I can remember.) They probably are here but keep it to themselves. That speaks for itself. Cops are paid legionaries; their loyalty is to the man who gives them coin.

    I suppose I could stand up like the article says; it’s well written and I agree with its theme, but reality has a way of rearing its ugly head. If I stand up, I will be out of a job, lose my house, and be unable to support my family. My former co-workers and most of my family will shun me because they will think I’m insane, as they make up what is the majority of middle America that has absolutely no idea what’s coming. Now I’m unemployed and alone. Can I move in with Screwtape at that point?

    This is all very true, and will be until it (possibly) isn’t. Yeah, if things move slowly along, The State will indeed slowly get the guns, shut down any speech that’s not approved, and make Americans even more afraid to do anything against the system and to disrupt their own Bread & Circuses. I mean, the East German (oh, Democratic Republic of Germany) Stasi could only imagine the spy-power and control that exists now in their wet dreams! (See The New Stasi – Same as the Old Stasi?.)

    Yes, Mike and others, white family men especially are in a bad spot, and things look grim indeed, but you don’t always know when regular people may decide to stand up. I think that it could turn on a dime, with just one incident that blows up the wrong way (wrong for The State). The other side is not as careful as they should be because,

    a) They think their destruction of our culture will continue apace, and they have indeed been #Winning, so far.

    b) They are stupid and not cautious, as an E. German state apparatchik would have been.

  38. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I suppose I could stand up like the article says; it's well written and I agree with its theme, but reality has a way of rearing its ugly head. If I stand up, I will be out of a job, lose my house, and be unable to support my family. My former co-workers and most of my family will shun me because they will think I'm insane, as they make up what is the majority of middle America that has absolutely no idea what's coming. Now I'm unemployed and alone. Can I move in with Screwtape at that point?

    The change (read: violence) will begin when either the welfare entitlements and government pensions start to dry up and those fokes begin to loot and burn in the urban areas, or when economic collapse drives the working class out of their jobs and puts them into a position of nothing left to lose.

    If the kind of populist driven reversal of course is going to happen absent those two things, it will have to be started by a group of individuals who have the resources to sustain it through the beginning stages (the FF were not middle class, they were the rich guys.)

    I'm also more genuinely concerned about the idea of firearm confiscation becoming a real possibility than ever. Here in Shillinois, Pritzger seems pretty intent an making a legit attempt at doing so (btw his brother is a former army colonel who served for 26 years, retired, and has since become a transsexual who splits his time between Chicago and Israel.) So then if it happens, who are all of these so-called red pilled police going to side with at that moment of truth? The people and the 2ndA? Or their own pensions? To ask is to answer it. The police in metro areas, as we have seen in all of these LARPing dust ups the last few years, either take the antifa side or remain out of sight. Any attempt for a dissident group to organize would be shut down by the SWAT teams made up of "conservative" cops.

    The larger point is the police are not on our side, and won't be if there is violence. They will serve their masters in the state on the promise of comfortable salaries, OT, healthcare, and pensions . They will shoot us down in a heartbeat if we organize or refuse to give up our guns. If you want an example as to why I believe this, visit the Second City Cop website and see how these two "conservative" cops feel about pensions. They feel as emphatically entitled to them as any garden variety negro does about his LINK card. Has anyone here actually known of a commenter to identify as a police officer at UR? I've been reading here for over 2 years and haven't run across a single cop (that I can remember.) They probably are here but keep it to themselves. That speaks for itself. Cops are paid legionaries; their loyalty is to the man who gives them coin.

    BTW, my optimism aside, that comment tells it like it is now, sure enough.

  39. Trump’s base is as much at fault as is Trump. We did not hold Trump’s feet to the fire, we let “Trump be Trump” and kissed his ass at rallies. This gave him the wrong idea that what he did was good. It wasn’t.

    it would have been better if people didn’t attend his rallies and he’d get the message that he’d screwed up.

    Still it comes down to us to do what is right. Electing a nepotistic blunt instrument who had no idea of how to rule wasn’t going to fix anything.

    Tennyson said it best.

    Though much is taken, much abides; and though
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

  40. @Screwtape
    Yes! The power of agitprop 24/7 streaming can’t be fully appreciated until it is gone.

    I’m an outlier for sure but have not had tv or consumed tv shows for well over 10 years.

    Never been on any social media platform. Even linkdn or meetup, even tho those have some actually utility.

    Ive taken a hard line on this and a lot of jabs over the years from friends. But that is turning. People know in their hearts how evil it is.

    There is a much bigger addiction epidemic than opiods.

    Whenever i consume a bit of tv or film, in the airport (fake news) or at a friends house, the most common feeling I get is that of disgust. Like some former smokers who can’t stand a smoke filled room.

    Kill your tv. Cut the social media crap. Starve the beast. Take back your living room and your mind will follow.

    It’s been 20 years for me, dude, so I’ve got you beat. Never been on Faceboot or the others you mention, though I’ve had people I’d like to keep in touch with email me with a Linkdyn link. You know what, they can call me up, or I’ll catch them later on a trip.

    I hope this is not bothering our host (the links, that is), but this anti-TV think is my specialty, I’ll have you all know. Here are more on TV force-feeding in the lobby and More on the TV, aka Gov-Media, agenda.

    Yeah, Screwtape, we are definitely on the same page with this. I can only watch movies (on the house screen – we still have it, but never use the receiver, and no cable) that were made before the early 1990’s, without having to switch ’em out as soon as I get to anything PC – in fact, I wrote 3 movie reviews in 1 a while back, as it took 3 from the library to get 1 worth watching!

  41. @Screwtape
    Indeed. I think a lot of his base are disappointed that his overton rhetoric stops short of mentioning the unmentionables.

    He came close when he turned the ‘deplorables’ back on them but has since totally backed away from anything close to aknowledging the existence of a certain identity.

    White identity exists only insofar as it is a space on the page awaiting the ink of the multicultural mythology.

    In writing the ‘white of the page’ is where the story actually lives; the place where the reader and the writer come together, art and imagination. We no longer own this space, our own story.

    We have allowed the religion of Progress to steal a lot more than just our physical spaces. The town square is nothing if a people do not exists in their own hearts.

    I think a big part of why the third rail (JQ) in politics and social commentary exists is because the rail also includes anything that might credit white christians with anything but the invention of slavery or chaining women to the stove.

    The space between white nationalism aka political death and any other mention of whiteness in public is nil.

    They, with the help of the enemedia, are always way ahead. It’s the ‘we create reality and while you are reacting to it we create more’ principle. Thus any resistance to open borders is hate. We never had a country with boundaries around it geographically and culturally. No, anything nationalistic is hate, bigotry and racism.

    You can never suggest gender benders need to take responsibility for their own lives. You want a federal law pointing out that it’s illegal to do to them what it is illegal to do to anyone? Fine, but all the tedious rest of their specialness should be open to debate.

    Propaganda instead of education in the schools and media? Any debate on the limits of what schools should teach? No, your whiteness is toxic. Just get rid of that and the world is going to be utopia.

    Whites put all the blacks into slavery and stole the land from the noble Native Americans. Millions now think that. Makes them educated to spout such nonsense. Want to widen that debate? Forget it, your white privilege moots any challenge. Whites have historic original sin.

    The Left just got through nullifying an election with their Resistance, and redefining all opposition to their rather insane policies and beliefs as undebatable hatred. Discuss whether we’ll be a happier country when the invasion makes us 450 million? Ask who pays for all this largess? Never. You are with us or against us, for open borders or a Nazi.

    Brilliant really, but it was done with intent over time, with money, with media control, and I believe with military applications of psyops.

    The only power we have is that we are right. We have a right to our country, to defend ourselves, to enjoy that which our ancestors bestowed upon us, and to live and enjoy our lives to the best of our ability. The attack on us is everything they accused us of: hatred, bigotry, entitlement, superiority.

    I know many think it weak to wait for the calvary, but I have hoped that somewhere within the trillions of dollars of defense there was a kernel of our own resistance, patriots who would stick the knives between the ribs where needed. Without that kind of support, it is hard to see us winning.

  42. If a million yellow vests descended on Washington DC, the political class would listen. The march would be Trump’s megaphone.

    It is a harsh truth but when you can’t even achieve the below, why would they take you seriously?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Man_March

    They need to feel that a tremendous mob might just show up in DC one day, get bored, and storm Congress.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    If a million yellow vests descended on Washington DC, the political class would listen. The march would be Trump’s megaphone.
     
    Yes.
    , @Rosie

    They need to feel that a tremendous mob might just show up in DC one day, get bored, and storm Congress.
     
    They've hedged against that possibility by dumping opioids on precisely those desperate enough to be vulnerable to addiction, and therefore most likely to rock the boat.

    https://www.infowars.com/sackler-family-boasted-in-90s-that-oxycontin-prescription-blizzard-would-be-deep-dense-white/

  43. USA Americans, and it seems Donald Trump himself, are extremely terrorised in ways Europeans are not … so that’s why there is a lot more change and revolution going on in Italy and France right now than in the USA

    For USA common people, the terrors are the USA’s brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailings in a country with 25% of all the world’s prisoners … or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation

    For Donald Trump himself, it seems the core let-down of his base is in allowing the de-platforming and free speech suppression, even tho Trump himself famously tweeted his understanding of the issue, on 18 August 2018, claiming he would address the unfair banning of conservatives versus the media privileges of the shitelibs

    But Trump – seemingly under threat – held back from using his presidential and related powers, to have the FCC Commissioner guarantee equal rights and access to the common carrier media platforms of the modern age … in the end, that may be Trump’s key failing, where he showed his inability to protect and sustain those who were with him

    And if President Trump himself is visibly showing fear of getting destroyed or even murdered by the Deep State … how can we be so glib in critique of Trump’s US citizen supporters?

    For those who say Trump was always a shill etc … I think it shows in his voice tone and body language, that Trump detests having to submit to his tormentors, and he hates not fulfilling the promises that his support crowds always cheered. To my view, DJT, God bless him, was indeed cut from different cloth … now he is just trying to stay alive in that cesspool, hoping to do a few bits of good just by hanging in there, knowing his own reputation is dying amongst those who cared the most about him.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Then time for him to man up and sacrifice himself for the team. He's probably nor going to live long past 80 anyways.

    Live by the Deplorables, die by the Deplorables. Unfortunately, he seems to be saving himself (and his family) rather than shifting into an even higher gear.
    , @iffen
    For Donald Trump himself, it seems the core let-down of his base


    The only people who write statements like this are not part of his base.
    , @scrivener3
    "For USA common people, the terrors are the USA’s brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailing in a country with 25% of all the world’s prisoners … or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation"

    You do not do the terrorism justice. American prisons are homosexual torture dungeons. Video cameras are now a few dollars and can network back to servers that keep everything indefinitely, There could be a camera in every cell and every prison area and any prisoner assault of another prisoner could be documented and punished. Yet this is not done. I believe the people in the criminal justice system want the prisons to be as horrific as possible to increase their power. How many men in prison are raped? It could be near zero.
  44. @Stan d Mute

    I generally see about a dozen people on our side vs. a hundred(s) for the left.
     
    How much of this is because those on our side are working and those on the other side are not? Not only are those on our side working, but many work longer hours as entrepreneurs or salaried problem solvers who must work longer/harder to carry the baggage for the myriad incompetents in the workforce due to EEOC compliance. How many on the other side are in fact paid activists? This seems like asymmetrical warfare to me, but outside local government meetings held in the evening, I haven’t attended any legislative bodies.

    Not only are those on our side working, but many work longer hours as entrepreneurs or salaried problem solvers who must work longer/harder to carry the baggage for the myriad incompetents in the workforce due to EEOC compliance. How many on the other side are in fact paid activists?

    There are elements of truth in your statement, but not enough to make a valid argument. Sorry, but the inconvenient hours of legislative hearings sounds a lot more like an excuse, and a somewhat self-absolving one at that.

    Hearings on these matters come up once every few months on these issues, at least in my state. How many salaried people take time off from work to get their car fixed or go to a doctor’s appointment? Are these issues not at least as important? And since I constantly hear from all sides how the white population is aging, where are all the retired people who could be showing up at these meetings but don’t for some reason? Or stay at home spouses?

    I think the real reason for many people (though I’m not implying you personally) is because of fear. Fear of being called a fascist, which I have been called. Fear of being one of only 25 people counter-demonstrating a crowd of 500 mostly illegal (and many of them hostile) immigrants marching to gain political and media advantage, which I have done.

    I don’t want to portray myself as something special. I’m not. I only show up at maybe half of the events or gatherings that I could due to other obligations, but if most people who feel strongly about these issues could show up for such things a fourth or fifth of the time, our numbers would expand exponentially.

    As far as entrepreneurs, I was one for many years, and you are correct that it is extremely difficult for them to break away from day to day activities. The problem is that when I testified at our state legislature against raising the minimum wage, I was the only one in our entire state who showed up to make such testimony. Not one other small business owner among thousands (if not tens of thousands) could find the time to be there and oppose the measure. Afterwards, a reporter asked me why nobody else had shown up. I told her that activism wasn’t in the nature of conservatives, but I was being diplomatic. The truth was, in part, that other businesses were fearful of being publicly portrayed as robber barons or 19th century industrialists by opposing minimum wage.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    I'm inclined to believe that the over-hyped "American spirit of rugged individualism" is a significant factor in keeping people home. Americans keep hoping for Shane to come riding into town to save them from their own inability to organized effective resistance.
  45. Here’s a Middle American who acted on his principles:

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/colorado-sports-store-nike-close-kaepernick

    Not a happy story, but telling.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    Agreed. And, on a more personal note, how many of us here actually gave up buying Nike products or even dumped our Gillette razors?

    Honestly. How many?
  46. @Talha
    That statement is true for everyone on this thread. We stand on the shoulders of giants. The stuff my mother tells me that my grandfather went through...amazing. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for others.

    Peace.

    We stand on the shoulders of giants.

    True enough, Talha, but that was not what I was referencing. I was referencing people like you.There are 5 we’s in that paragraph. Many here don’t want to get down to the nitty gritty and define “we.” Does the we include you, Talha? At least you are forthright enough to tell us that when we have a Muslim majority then “we” will be dhimmi.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Yeah, I’m not sure I’m included in that “we”.

    “we” will be dhimmi.
     
    Depends on what you mean by “we”. If you mean white people, then if they are Muslim, they get full enfranchisement.

    I actually wouldn’t mind being given the dhimmi option for a chance to stay in the US. It’s worth trying out, and if I don’t like it, I could vote with me feet.

    Peace.
  47. @Brabantian
    USA Americans, and it seems Donald Trump himself, are extremely terrorised in ways Europeans are not ... so that's why there is a lot more change and revolution going on in Italy and France right now than in the USA

    For USA common people, the terrors are the USA's brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailings in a country with 25% of all the world's prisoners ... or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation

    For Donald Trump himself, it seems the core let-down of his base is in allowing the de-platforming and free speech suppression, even tho Trump himself famously tweeted his understanding of the issue, on 18 August 2018, claiming he would address the unfair banning of conservatives versus the media privileges of the shitelibs

    But Trump - seemingly under threat - held back from using his presidential and related powers, to have the FCC Commissioner guarantee equal rights and access to the common carrier media platforms of the modern age ... in the end, that may be Trump's key failing, where he showed his inability to protect and sustain those who were with him

    And if President Trump himself is visibly showing fear of getting destroyed or even murdered by the Deep State ... how can we be so glib in critique of Trump's US citizen supporters?

    For those who say Trump was always a shill etc ... I think it shows in his voice tone and body language, that Trump detests having to submit to his tormentors, and he hates not fulfilling the promises that his support crowds always cheered. To my view, DJT, God bless him, was indeed cut from different cloth ... now he is just trying to stay alive in that cesspool, hoping to do a few bits of good just by hanging in there, knowing his own reputation is dying amongst those who cared the most about him.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f017926d737e3c85c69bcb1b4951840d93e5b7a9d0a3684c9eccf58c1c4a558.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e9a8411937dc205abb0ac1d128a6c7e4be2948d011aa43dfb05600d9ad425be.jpg

    Then time for him to man up and sacrifice himself for the team. He’s probably nor going to live long past 80 anyways.

    Live by the Deplorables, die by the Deplorables. Unfortunately, he seems to be saving himself (and his family) rather than shifting into an even higher gear.

  48. @peterAUS
    Hilarious.........
    You people for real?

    Kindergarten kids.....vs City Council.

    Don't embarrass yourself, please.

    What is required is grassroots ORGANIZATION in "Middle America". Hundreds of thousands of people who could gather, in a day, in any major city there with clear idea what they want and what they do not want.
    I've been told several times here, and somewhere else, "we don't do that". Fine. My take: "you also don't do any change either".

    The reality is: that "Middle America" has no idea about what's really going on. They are asleep. They still think and feel they live in a world long gone. Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling.

    It's quite possible they won't get the idea until it becomes too late for them.

    Kids.

    Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling

    Well, if ignorance has to be “solved” before anything can be accomplished, we are up shit creek without a paddle, a Dean Martin record and a queer.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Well, if ignorance has to be “solved” before anything can be accomplished, we are up shit creek without a paddle....
     
    We are.

    Now, there is a peculiar thing with human ignorance in these matters. Already mentioned here, that "spark" thing. A moment of clarity.

    It works, sort of, like this: a man lives in a paradigm which is ...how to put it...more uncomfortable...with each passing day. Day after day....just getting more uncomfortable.

    A pressure builds up, slowly, inexorably......

    And, then, one day an event happens. The same/similar event that was happening for ages before, but, it triggers something in a man. A moment of clarity happens. Often traumatic. And, the most important, that happens not only to one man but, say, thousands in the same place/time. Tens of thousands. Women too. Hehe...thinking about that, they could be even more fearsome.

    The result: a well adjusted white collar guy, for example, becomes something else. CAN pull a trigger, not only with ease, but with joy.

    From then on the game is totally different.

    I am well aware that you, Americans, can't learn from "overseas" (save rare specimens of your nation/race), but I'd suggest browsing, a bit, this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speech
    The moment.........

    Now...hehe....imagine Trump, or whoever of your top politicos, talking about some bullshit and a guy from the audience yells, say...."illegals"...or "WALL"....or whatever really bothers them...and the rest pick that up.
    Just a thought.

    Makes sense?

  49. @WorkingClass
    Nobody can help the working class except the working class. This was a truism among lefties before the New Deal. If the American working class was conscious of being working class it would behave more like the yellow vests.

    Although working class consciousness is still asleep white consciousness is rising among whites outside the deep south. Some degree of white solidarity will strengthen resistance against left authoritarianism. But the entire working class, black brown and white, will have to unite to blunt the power of international Capitalism. A Nationalist working class can come to terms with a Nationalist Capitalism. But the Globalists must be defeated if we are not all to become serfs in the Globalist's Neo-Feudalism

    If the American working class was conscious of being working class

    We had field trials, Marxism lost every time.

  50. @Brabantian
    USA Americans, and it seems Donald Trump himself, are extremely terrorised in ways Europeans are not ... so that's why there is a lot more change and revolution going on in Italy and France right now than in the USA

    For USA common people, the terrors are the USA's brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailings in a country with 25% of all the world's prisoners ... or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation

    For Donald Trump himself, it seems the core let-down of his base is in allowing the de-platforming and free speech suppression, even tho Trump himself famously tweeted his understanding of the issue, on 18 August 2018, claiming he would address the unfair banning of conservatives versus the media privileges of the shitelibs

    But Trump - seemingly under threat - held back from using his presidential and related powers, to have the FCC Commissioner guarantee equal rights and access to the common carrier media platforms of the modern age ... in the end, that may be Trump's key failing, where he showed his inability to protect and sustain those who were with him

    And if President Trump himself is visibly showing fear of getting destroyed or even murdered by the Deep State ... how can we be so glib in critique of Trump's US citizen supporters?

    For those who say Trump was always a shill etc ... I think it shows in his voice tone and body language, that Trump detests having to submit to his tormentors, and he hates not fulfilling the promises that his support crowds always cheered. To my view, DJT, God bless him, was indeed cut from different cloth ... now he is just trying to stay alive in that cesspool, hoping to do a few bits of good just by hanging in there, knowing his own reputation is dying amongst those who cared the most about him.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f017926d737e3c85c69bcb1b4951840d93e5b7a9d0a3684c9eccf58c1c4a558.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e9a8411937dc205abb0ac1d128a6c7e4be2948d011aa43dfb05600d9ad425be.jpg

    For Donald Trump himself, it seems the core let-down of his base

    The only people who write statements like this are not part of his base.

  51. @Kaosweaver
    No one will do anything.

    We simply have it too good. Seriously, I'm at the top of my income ceiling without working 70 hours a week. I have, literally, everything I want. I've moved to a largely all white area, virtually zero crime.

    But even when I talk to people about actually doing something, unless it is a protest (useless) or a speech (useless) or something benign, no one wants part of it. I've long argued that the time for peaceful "working the system" was long ago passed. No one wants part of the work and sacrifice needed to replenish the tree of liberty.

    Pastor preach pacifism and obedience. Good men being feed emasculating sermons reducing them to meek sheep.

    The beer is too good (so they tell me anyway), the circus is on 24x7, Rome has been burning for decades.

    I mean, seriously, if someone said "if we can get 1 million men to march on DC with AR15s, in a uniform to stage a peaceful coup, we could restore the government to at least constitutional bounds", would even 1,000 people show? (it would take a weekend of learning how to march in unison because mobs are scary to those in the immediate area, but a uniformed, marching army-like group terrifies the nation) Heck, we could even use useless idiots and promise those who participate a rebate on their college tuition and make the banks eat it. Still would require a hundred thousand men willing to stand up and risk everything. I don't think enough men exist who would. The internet is full of empty promises too.

    You are definitely onto something here.

    This

    We simply have it too good.

    creates

    No one wants part of the work and sacrifice needed to replenish the tree of liberty.

    and

    …would require a hundred thousand men willing to stand up and risk everything. I don’t think enough men exist who would.

    You are onto start of a good track in your comment (that “thousands”). PLENTY to work on, though, if you wish to follow it up.

    A scenario for your, say, homework, if you will:
    What could happen then things, in general, get to “we simply have it bad” for majority, in a couple of states?
    A couple of options there.Several scenarios and possible outcomes.
    Try making some flowcharts…
    Could be better use of time than watching a ball game, even more interesting.

  52. @Tyrion 2
    If a million yellow vests descended on Washington DC, the political class would listen. The march would be Trump's megaphone.

    It is a harsh truth but when you can't even achieve the below, why would they take you seriously?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Man_March

    They need to feel that a tremendous mob might just show up in DC one day, get bored, and storm Congress.

    If a million yellow vests descended on Washington DC, the political class would listen. The march would be Trump’s megaphone.

    Yes.

  53. @Tyrion 2
    If a million yellow vests descended on Washington DC, the political class would listen. The march would be Trump's megaphone.

    It is a harsh truth but when you can't even achieve the below, why would they take you seriously?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Man_March

    They need to feel that a tremendous mob might just show up in DC one day, get bored, and storm Congress.

    They need to feel that a tremendous mob might just show up in DC one day, get bored, and storm Congress.

    They’ve hedged against that possibility by dumping opioids on precisely those desperate enough to be vulnerable to addiction, and therefore most likely to rock the boat.

    https://www.infowars.com/sackler-family-boasted-in-90s-that-oxycontin-prescription-blizzard-would-be-deep-dense-white/

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Just black men managed it...

    Also, the scale of Opiate use is extraordinary and I am a big believer that drug abuse is downstream of other issues. Mental problems lead to drug abuse. It only looks like the other way around because of the correlation. Take them away and you take away the compulsion to do even highly addictive substances.

    That's my observation on life anyway. Again, extraordinary.

    https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/maps/rxrate-maps.html
    , @iffen
    those desperate enough to be vulnerable to addiction, and therefore most likely to rock the boat.

    So, in addition to your WN silliness, and your Jew-phobia, and your myopic worldview that all we really need is to make sure that every Cinderella gets the perfectly fitting slipper, you want us to look for our salvation to those most likely to become druggies?
  54. @iffen
    Ignorance, in this day and time, is mind boggling

    Well, if ignorance has to be "solved" before anything can be accomplished, we are up shit creek without a paddle, a Dean Martin record and a queer.

    Well, if ignorance has to be “solved” before anything can be accomplished, we are up shit creek without a paddle….

    We are.

    Now, there is a peculiar thing with human ignorance in these matters. Already mentioned here, that “spark” thing. A moment of clarity.

    It works, sort of, like this: a man lives in a paradigm which is …how to put it…more uncomfortable…with each passing day. Day after day….just getting more uncomfortable.

    A pressure builds up, slowly, inexorably……

    And, then, one day an event happens. The same/similar event that was happening for ages before, but, it triggers something in a man. A moment of clarity happens. Often traumatic. And, the most important, that happens not only to one man but, say, thousands in the same place/time. Tens of thousands. Women too. Hehe…thinking about that, they could be even more fearsome.

    The result: a well adjusted white collar guy, for example, becomes something else. CAN pull a trigger, not only with ease, but with joy.

    From then on the game is totally different.

    I am well aware that you, Americans, can’t learn from “overseas” (save rare specimens of your nation/race), but I’d suggest browsing, a bit, this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speech
    The moment………

    Now…hehe….imagine Trump, or whoever of your top politicos, talking about some bullshit and a guy from the audience yells, say….”illegals”…or “WALL”….or whatever really bothers them…and the rest pick that up.
    Just a thought.

    Makes sense?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @iffen
    Makes sense?

    Yes, from time to time the rubes and the Ivans explode in a paroxysm of violence and destruction. Sometimes they push the boulder upward a bit, sometimes not. I think that the inches forward come in times when they have help.
  55. @Rosie

    They need to feel that a tremendous mob might just show up in DC one day, get bored, and storm Congress.
     
    They've hedged against that possibility by dumping opioids on precisely those desperate enough to be vulnerable to addiction, and therefore most likely to rock the boat.

    https://www.infowars.com/sackler-family-boasted-in-90s-that-oxycontin-prescription-blizzard-would-be-deep-dense-white/

    Just black men managed it…

    Also, the scale of Opiate use is extraordinary and I am a big believer that drug abuse is downstream of other issues. Mental problems lead to drug abuse. It only looks like the other way around because of the correlation. Take them away and you take away the compulsion to do even highly addictive substances.

    That’s my observation on life anyway. Again, extraordinary.

    https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/maps/rxrate-maps.html

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Very tragic to see the opioid death and prescription rates in most the Appalachian counties. Doctors and the drug pushers in those communities need to be hung.
  56. @Rosie

    They need to feel that a tremendous mob might just show up in DC one day, get bored, and storm Congress.
     
    They've hedged against that possibility by dumping opioids on precisely those desperate enough to be vulnerable to addiction, and therefore most likely to rock the boat.

    https://www.infowars.com/sackler-family-boasted-in-90s-that-oxycontin-prescription-blizzard-would-be-deep-dense-white/

    those desperate enough to be vulnerable to addiction, and therefore most likely to rock the boat.

    So, in addition to your WN silliness, and your Jew-phobia, and your myopic worldview that all we really need is to make sure that every Cinderella gets the perfectly fitting slipper, you want us to look for our salvation to those most likely to become druggies?

  57. @peterAUS

    Well, if ignorance has to be “solved” before anything can be accomplished, we are up shit creek without a paddle....
     
    We are.

    Now, there is a peculiar thing with human ignorance in these matters. Already mentioned here, that "spark" thing. A moment of clarity.

    It works, sort of, like this: a man lives in a paradigm which is ...how to put it...more uncomfortable...with each passing day. Day after day....just getting more uncomfortable.

    A pressure builds up, slowly, inexorably......

    And, then, one day an event happens. The same/similar event that was happening for ages before, but, it triggers something in a man. A moment of clarity happens. Often traumatic. And, the most important, that happens not only to one man but, say, thousands in the same place/time. Tens of thousands. Women too. Hehe...thinking about that, they could be even more fearsome.

    The result: a well adjusted white collar guy, for example, becomes something else. CAN pull a trigger, not only with ease, but with joy.

    From then on the game is totally different.

    I am well aware that you, Americans, can't learn from "overseas" (save rare specimens of your nation/race), but I'd suggest browsing, a bit, this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speech
    The moment.........

    Now...hehe....imagine Trump, or whoever of your top politicos, talking about some bullshit and a guy from the audience yells, say...."illegals"...or "WALL"....or whatever really bothers them...and the rest pick that up.
    Just a thought.

    Makes sense?

    Makes sense?

    Yes, from time to time the rubes and the Ivans explode in a paroxysm of violence and destruction. Sometimes they push the boulder upward a bit, sometimes not. I think that the inches forward come in times when they have help.

  58. Yes, from time to time the rubes and the Ivans explode in a paroxysm of violence and destruction. Sometimes they push the boulder upward a bit, sometimes not.

    Hahaha…..makes sense, a?

    Anyway, I am sure the “Middle America” has a plan.

    As long as Washington elite doesn’t initiate M.A.D….. all good.

  59. Anyway, I am sure the “Middle America” has a plan.

    Actually not. I think many of them (us) think that someone else is going to handle it.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Anyway, I am sure the “Middle America” has a plan.

    Actually not. I think many of them (us) think that someone else is going to handle it.
     

    Don't say...

    But, and a big BUT......does anyone think this website would be still on if somebody posted a feasible plan about how to challenge the power of TPTBs in Washington?
    More importantly for the author(s) of the plan, what would happen to them? Put the site owner and his team there too.

    When everything is said and done, the handle Kaosweaver, in the post 27 here summed it all perfectly: "We simply have it too good". That's the truth and the very basis of all this.
    As spoken about before, the common "poverty" in USA is wealth 50 % of humanity on this planet would kill for.
    Only hungry, desperate, people challenge The Power. "Middle America" aren't them.
    Or middle Australia, United Kingdom, Canada.....all the West, actually.

    That it will get there is given.

    So, the only interesting thing is: how it will all work out when the majority realizes it hasn't got it good anymore ?

    TPTBs are putting, as we speak, the system in place to handle that.
    Will that work out, well, is The Question.

  60. @Tyrion 2
    Just black men managed it...

    Also, the scale of Opiate use is extraordinary and I am a big believer that drug abuse is downstream of other issues. Mental problems lead to drug abuse. It only looks like the other way around because of the correlation. Take them away and you take away the compulsion to do even highly addictive substances.

    That's my observation on life anyway. Again, extraordinary.

    https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/maps/rxrate-maps.html

    Very tragic to see the opioid death and prescription rates in most the Appalachian counties. Doctors and the drug pushers in those communities need to be hung.

  61. Doctors and the drug pushers in those communities need to be hung.

    Nice to see people supporting our Prez’s observation that death for drug dealers is effective.

  62. @iffen
    Anyway, I am sure the “Middle America” has a plan.

    Actually not. I think many of them (us) think that someone else is going to handle it.

    Anyway, I am sure the “Middle America” has a plan.

    Actually not. I think many of them (us) think that someone else is going to handle it.

    Don’t say…

    But, and a big BUT……does anyone think this website would be still on if somebody posted a feasible plan about how to challenge the power of TPTBs in Washington?
    More importantly for the author(s) of the plan, what would happen to them? Put the site owner and his team there too.

    When everything is said and done, the handle Kaosweaver, in the post 27 here summed it all perfectly: “We simply have it too good”. That’s the truth and the very basis of all this.
    As spoken about before, the common “poverty” in USA is wealth 50 % of humanity on this planet would kill for.
    Only hungry, desperate, people challenge The Power. “Middle America” aren’t them.
    Or middle Australia, United Kingdom, Canada…..all the West, actually.

    That it will get there is given.

    So, the only interesting thing is: how it will all work out when the majority realizes it hasn’t got it good anymore ?

    TPTBs are putting, as we speak, the system in place to handle that.
    Will that work out, well, is The Question.

    • Replies: @iffen
    does anyone think this website would be still on

    An effective challenge would go to whatever communication medium could be utilized.

    Do you think that your opponents are obligated and willing to provide you with the means of communication to plot and effect their demise?

    As spoken about before, the common “poverty” in USA is wealth 50 % of humanity on this planet would kill for.

    True enough, not sure what that means for the lower 50% in ‘Murica.
  63. @peterAUS

    Anyway, I am sure the “Middle America” has a plan.

    Actually not. I think many of them (us) think that someone else is going to handle it.
     

    Don't say...

    But, and a big BUT......does anyone think this website would be still on if somebody posted a feasible plan about how to challenge the power of TPTBs in Washington?
    More importantly for the author(s) of the plan, what would happen to them? Put the site owner and his team there too.

    When everything is said and done, the handle Kaosweaver, in the post 27 here summed it all perfectly: "We simply have it too good". That's the truth and the very basis of all this.
    As spoken about before, the common "poverty" in USA is wealth 50 % of humanity on this planet would kill for.
    Only hungry, desperate, people challenge The Power. "Middle America" aren't them.
    Or middle Australia, United Kingdom, Canada.....all the West, actually.

    That it will get there is given.

    So, the only interesting thing is: how it will all work out when the majority realizes it hasn't got it good anymore ?

    TPTBs are putting, as we speak, the system in place to handle that.
    Will that work out, well, is The Question.

    does anyone think this website would be still on

    An effective challenge would go to whatever communication medium could be utilized.

    Do you think that your opponents are obligated and willing to provide you with the means of communication to plot and effect their demise?

    As spoken about before, the common “poverty” in USA is wealth 50 % of humanity on this planet would kill for.

    True enough, not sure what that means for the lower 50% in ‘Murica.

  64. Priss Factor [AKA "Asagirian"] says: • Website

    To clear thing up, we need to speak of White Elite Privilege.

    The US is really about White Elite Privilege, not White Privilege.
    White Elites really do have privilege and work hard to justify & keep it by spouting PC cliches about fighting ‘white privilege’, thus spreading the blame around to ALL whites, most of whom don’t have privilege. It’s a trick of spreading the blame to stay in the game.

    We have to stop talking of ‘White Privilege’. The term is too broad and genetic. Too often, the debate is about ‘there is white privilege’ vs ‘there is no white privilege’.
    The problem is ‘white’ is too expansive and inclusive a category, including everyone from Bill Gates to toothless hillbilly in W. Virginia. So, ‘white privilege’ is pointless as it includes even dirt poor whites with nothing and are often victimized by black thugs.

    But there really is White Elite Privilege. Paradoxically, in order for White Elites to keep their own considerable status and privilege, they must denounce ‘White Privilege’. It’s so very convenient for them because they, as the clever educated and affluent, get to pretend as agents of ‘social justice’ against the white working class and ‘deplorables’ who resist ‘change’. (Diversity also favors the elites over the masses. In a homogeneous society, the elites with MORE are at moral disadvantage to the masses who have less. But in a diverse society, the haves can hug Diversity[mostly as tokens and peons] and accuse the have-nots of their own kind of ‘racism’ and ‘xenophobia’. Thus, moral advantage goes to the elites.)
    To expose and bring these a**holes down, we need to use the term, White Elite Privilege. Or White Comprador Elite Privilege because white elite privilege is in service to Jewish Super-Privilege. As Jewish Power has rigged the Narrative to make Jews holy & pure while making whites sinful & guilty, white elites must appear to atone for their past sins in order to justify and keep their privilege. Jews exploit this psychology by steering guilt-ridden white elites to serve Jewish power and Zionism, and the white elites play along because it isn’t too difficult to shout out ‘Long Live Israel’ and wave the Israeli flag. Sure beats being dragged to labor camps for re-education.

    We need to talk of White Elite Privilege vs White Mass Problems. Change the terms of the debate, and people will think differently.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    White elite privilege is a better, more precise phrase. I'll use it from now on.
  65. @Achmed E. Newman

    The costs will be to varying degrees social, economic, even physical.
     
    Right now, the costs are mostly just social and occasionally economic. People had better just quit being worried about being called names and un-LIKED, before they have a lot more to lose.

    I wrote this under one of the Sailer threads on the Covington kids, but I think all it will take is one particular incident in which no-one on our side backs down, and we have enough brave-enough souls to support a cause in reasonably big numbers, to embolden a whole lot more people. There's a whole lot of tactics that patriotic Americans could learn from the 1960's, and I don't mean old chants and not bathing for weeks.

    People will learn that at a certain numerical level of like-minded people that they can't arrest all of us, they can't fire all of us, and all their nasty tweets in the world don't mean a damn thing. The patriots have a very distinct advantage in being the people that make the world go 'round.

    I agree wholeheartedly with AE’s post. There definitely needs to be more standing tall out there. Coulter has said the same thing. The only show of public support and respect Trump gets is when he’s in Israel. We shouldn’t be surprised if his actions reflect that.

    In December, I was visiting my hometown of Norfolk, Nebraska and was drinking some home distilled “shine” with four or five local guys–fathers and grandfathers–farmers–in the machine shed one of them has rigged with a wood burning stove, refrigerators, still, and home-made compressed-air automatic beer can crusher.

    All were very strong supporters of Trump. So I showed them a banner I had made and intended to display at the busiest intersection in Norfolk the next day, which was Saturday, wearing a yellow vest.

    This was what the banner was supposed to look like:

    My spray painted canvas banner was much cruder but it was something like 3′ x 12′ and said “DON’T FUCK WITH TRUMP” with a menacing Stuey from Family Guy brandishing a hand gun. They liked the slogan, helped me mount the canvas, but none would join me the next day for my stab at displaying support for Trump.

    I don’t blame them, really. It’s scary for us to do something like that. There were a couple of comments about not wanting to go to jail.

    The next day, I drove to 1st St and Norfolk Ave and began putting up the banner by pounding pointed stakes into the ground. Before I was finished pounding the stakes into the ground, three cop cars arrive and park and two approached me–a young white cop and an older white cop.

    Young cop as he’s walking up: Hi, what’s going on?

    Me: Putting up a banner.

    Young cop: You got any ID?

    Me: Yep.

    Young cop (after standing with his hand out): You wanna show me that ID?

    Me: Why?

    Young cop: We just like to know who we’re talking to.

    Me: You’re going to have to arrest me in order to see my ID.

    Older cop (breaking in): OK, no, you don’t want to go there. What are you doing with this sign here?

    [meanwhile, more and more cars are pulling over to stop and watch]

    Me: I showing my support for our president.

    Older cop: OK, well of course you have the right to free speech. But you have to hold any signs like. You can’t pound them into the ground.

    Me: I can’t hold it by myself. I don’t have anyone to help me, even though everyone around here supports Trump.

    Older cop: Well, you have to take it down.

    Me (growing angry): You know why I don’t have anyone to help me hold it? Because of you. They were afraid they would go to jail. You are the problem.

    Older cop: No one is going to jail for holding a banner.

    Me: Well that’s what they said, so YOU guys ARE the problem. Trump’s fighting all the power in DC. He’s got George Soros with his billions doing everything he can to destroy him, and here I am, one lonely puny guy out here with my homemade banner, and you are shutting me down. You are out here helping George Soros, for the love of God.

    The older cop just stood there for a minute. Then he turned and walked back to his car without a word. The young cop followed him, and all three drove away.

    Now some of the cars that had pulled over to watch this highly unusual spectacle for the Midwest honked and gave me thumbs up and yelled they liked the sign, and one lady ran over and asked if I would take her picture with the sign.

    It was the most exhilarating thing I’d done in a very long time.

    Here’s me just after the cops left:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Nice job, Craig! It takes courage.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Great story.

    See my comment 28 in this post and how it applies to that young cop you had to deal with. That kid is so amped up and ready for some action he is willing to throw everything (I'm assuming/maybe he's a closet brown shirt) he thinks he believes about freedom right out the window so he can brace some normie and have a story to tell.

    It's pathetic.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Your story really fleshes out the magnitude of the problem. Stephen Miller captured it in Trump's Poland speech--the question of the 21st century is whether or not the West has the will to survive.
  66. Jerry Mander’s ‘Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television’ was the book that opened my eyes.

    Mander (yes, his real name), who had his own advertising agency, lays it bare. Even back when it was written the science alone was damning, never mind the slow drip of corrosion, dissolving the moral structure of society that had taken 10 centuries to fashion.

    We handed them our imaginations, our minds. In Neil Postman’s famous title, we “amused ourselves to death.”

    • Replies: @Talha
    Neil Postman was the one that opened mine with “Technopoly”. But both him and Mander were brilliant social critics - highly recommended.

    Peace.
  67. ” Likewise most patriotic Americans find daily life easier by avoiding conflict and argumentation by simply not discussing politics outside of friendly environments. ”

    The only place an American can safely speak his mind frankly now is online and anonymously. PC enforcers and SJWs have brought us totalitarianism, in the form of financial penalty and social ostracism for heterodox thought.

    In real life, I don’t talk politics with anybody. All my IRL friends believe the most bizarre crap, and start from a completely different set of premises than I do. But I need friends, so I just don’t go there. We all need friends.

  68. The spectacle became the reality. Paddy Chayevsky in ‘Network’ tried to warn us what had happened. We thought the tube was more real than our real lives. We never quite understood, still don’t, that we weren’t simply watching ‘Gilligan’s Island’–each time we “tuned in” it was we who were on the island. We weren’t watching ‘Lost,’ we were lost, casting aimlessly for some meaning to fill the void left by the erasure of our culture, of our heritage, the loss of centuries of understanding and received wisdom. All felled by a laughtrack.

    And now our civilizational doom is sealed. All that is left now is achieving isolation from the decaying thing that festers in the ruins.

    Robinson Jeffers saw it all:

    “While this America settles in the mould of its vulgarity,
    heavily thickening to empire, I
    And protest, only a bubble in the molten mass, pops
    and sighs out, and the mass hardens,

    I sadly smiling remember that the flower fades to make
    fruit, the fruit rots to make earth.
    Qut of the mother; and through the spring exultances,
    ripeness and decadence; and home to the mother.

    You making haste haste on decay: not blameworthy; life
    is good, be it stubbornly long or suddenly
    A mortal splendor: meteors are not needed less than
    mountains: shine, perishing republic.

    But for my children. I would have them keep their dis-
    tance from the thickening center; corruption.
    Never has been compulsory, when the cities lie at the
    monster’s feet there are left the mountains.

    And boys, be in nothing so moderate as in love of man,
    a clever servant, insufferable master.
    There is the trap that catches noblest spirits, that caught
    -–they say–God, when he walked on earth.”

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    Awesome!

    I put that poem in mosaic above the garage door where I used to live in Blagden Alley, Washington, DC:

    https://www.craignelsen.com/library/2015-08-19-bmore_proposal_html_200dcdd6.jpg

    Robinson Jeffers was a great poet. I named an effort to try to stem the epidemic of suicide among white males the "Robinson Jeffers Boxing Club".

    https://www.craignelsen.com/rjbc/index.php
  69. @Brabantian
    USA Americans, and it seems Donald Trump himself, are extremely terrorised in ways Europeans are not ... so that's why there is a lot more change and revolution going on in Italy and France right now than in the USA

    For USA common people, the terrors are the USA's brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailings in a country with 25% of all the world's prisoners ... or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation

    For Donald Trump himself, it seems the core let-down of his base is in allowing the de-platforming and free speech suppression, even tho Trump himself famously tweeted his understanding of the issue, on 18 August 2018, claiming he would address the unfair banning of conservatives versus the media privileges of the shitelibs

    But Trump - seemingly under threat - held back from using his presidential and related powers, to have the FCC Commissioner guarantee equal rights and access to the common carrier media platforms of the modern age ... in the end, that may be Trump's key failing, where he showed his inability to protect and sustain those who were with him

    And if President Trump himself is visibly showing fear of getting destroyed or even murdered by the Deep State ... how can we be so glib in critique of Trump's US citizen supporters?

    For those who say Trump was always a shill etc ... I think it shows in his voice tone and body language, that Trump detests having to submit to his tormentors, and he hates not fulfilling the promises that his support crowds always cheered. To my view, DJT, God bless him, was indeed cut from different cloth ... now he is just trying to stay alive in that cesspool, hoping to do a few bits of good just by hanging in there, knowing his own reputation is dying amongst those who cared the most about him.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f017926d737e3c85c69bcb1b4951840d93e5b7a9d0a3684c9eccf58c1c4a558.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e9a8411937dc205abb0ac1d128a6c7e4be2948d011aa43dfb05600d9ad425be.jpg

    “For USA common people, the terrors are the USA’s brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailing in a country with 25% of all the world’s prisoners … or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation”

    You do not do the terrorism justice. American prisons are homosexual torture dungeons. Video cameras are now a few dollars and can network back to servers that keep everything indefinitely, There could be a camera in every cell and every prison area and any prisoner assault of another prisoner could be documented and punished. Yet this is not done. I believe the people in the criminal justice system want the prisons to be as horrific as possible to increase their power. How many men in prison are raped? It could be near zero.

    • Agree: swamped
    • Replies: @Rosie

    How many men in prison are raped? It could be near zero.
     
    Yet more low-hanging fruit the "men's rights movement" ignores.
    , @Mr McKenna
    Violent rape in prison, where white males are wildly disproportionate in the victim count, is well-known to everyone most emphatically including the authorities, and constitutes as obvious a case of 'cruel and inhuman punishment' as may be imagined. Yet, probably due to the fact that it largely targets white males, and deplorables at that, none of our nation's vaunted constitutional-law scholars has ever thought to make a case of it.
  70. @The Other Andropov
    Jerry Mander's 'Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television' was the book that opened my eyes.

    Mander (yes, his real name), who had his own advertising agency, lays it bare. Even back when it was written the science alone was damning, never mind the slow drip of corrosion, dissolving the moral structure of society that had taken 10 centuries to fashion.

    We handed them our imaginations, our minds. In Neil Postman's famous title, we "amused ourselves to death."

    Neil Postman was the one that opened mine with “Technopoly”. But both him and Mander were brilliant social critics – highly recommended.

    Peace.

  71. @iffen
    We stand on the shoulders of giants.


    True enough, Talha, but that was not what I was referencing. I was referencing people like you.There are 5 we's in that paragraph. Many here don't want to get down to the nitty gritty and define "we." Does the we include you, Talha? At least you are forthright enough to tell us that when we have a Muslim majority then "we" will be dhimmi.

    Yeah, I’m not sure I’m included in that “we”.

    “we” will be dhimmi.

    Depends on what you mean by “we”. If you mean white people, then if they are Muslim, they get full enfranchisement.

    I actually wouldn’t mind being given the dhimmi option for a chance to stay in the US. It’s worth trying out, and if I don’t like it, I could vote with me feet.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I actually wouldn’t mind being given the dhimmi option for a chance to stay in the US.

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom. Just like free speech for Nazis is incompatible with muh free speech. Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.
  72. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I suppose I could stand up like the article says; it's well written and I agree with its theme, but reality has a way of rearing its ugly head. If I stand up, I will be out of a job, lose my house, and be unable to support my family. My former co-workers and most of my family will shun me because they will think I'm insane, as they make up what is the majority of middle America that has absolutely no idea what's coming. Now I'm unemployed and alone. Can I move in with Screwtape at that point?

    The change (read: violence) will begin when either the welfare entitlements and government pensions start to dry up and those fokes begin to loot and burn in the urban areas, or when economic collapse drives the working class out of their jobs and puts them into a position of nothing left to lose.

    If the kind of populist driven reversal of course is going to happen absent those two things, it will have to be started by a group of individuals who have the resources to sustain it through the beginning stages (the FF were not middle class, they were the rich guys.)

    I'm also more genuinely concerned about the idea of firearm confiscation becoming a real possibility than ever. Here in Shillinois, Pritzger seems pretty intent an making a legit attempt at doing so (btw his brother is a former army colonel who served for 26 years, retired, and has since become a transsexual who splits his time between Chicago and Israel.) So then if it happens, who are all of these so-called red pilled police going to side with at that moment of truth? The people and the 2ndA? Or their own pensions? To ask is to answer it. The police in metro areas, as we have seen in all of these LARPing dust ups the last few years, either take the antifa side or remain out of sight. Any attempt for a dissident group to organize would be shut down by the SWAT teams made up of "conservative" cops.

    The larger point is the police are not on our side, and won't be if there is violence. They will serve their masters in the state on the promise of comfortable salaries, OT, healthcare, and pensions . They will shoot us down in a heartbeat if we organize or refuse to give up our guns. If you want an example as to why I believe this, visit the Second City Cop website and see how these two "conservative" cops feel about pensions. They feel as emphatically entitled to them as any garden variety negro does about his LINK card. Has anyone here actually known of a commenter to identify as a police officer at UR? I've been reading here for over 2 years and haven't run across a single cop (that I can remember.) They probably are here but keep it to themselves. That speaks for itself. Cops are paid legionaries; their loyalty is to the man who gives them coin.

    You and others here raise valid points re: the very real personal risks, the limited economic resources and social reach of the middle and lower strata, the relative abundance and easy living most still have – albeit precarious per the risks laid out.

    All while the wealthier still have the means to insulate or separate themselves from the multiculti dystopia they seem bent on ushering in.

    I don’t have many answers. Trying to work it out for myself. I also know there is a huge difference between the ability to articulate the problems and the ability to deploy meaningful solutions IRL.

    I agree that the course ahead seems rather black pill, that until something drastic enough to draw something akin to natural law back into the system, some kind of social movement is unlikely to spring forth.

    Yet i also believe that there are personal, small turns of the dial that can create meaningful change in aggregate – or even for one man and those he loves.

    We don’t know what doors may open or what might just cascade from a few choices and actions in our daily lives.

    Ive made some and paid heavily for them. But have also made some that found fertile ground I didn’t see at first.

    I wont bore with the details. But there are ways. At the very least, pulling a few more men from the slumber of pluralistic ignorance is worth something. So I focus on my own house and draw concentric circles out from there.

    Speaking of, i do have a spare room. Though after I made the choice to leave corporate employment ten years back i make much less money, so i just rent, which means when my lease rolls i may have to downsize again.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Well stated. At age 38 I made a significant career change and basically started over. Same industry (transportation) but moved from management to driving. The transportation and logistics business in the Chicago area is miserable and cutthroat, and I was fried after 10 years of it. Marriage was suffering. It was not an easy transition, but it was necessary. Accumulated some debt (wife, 2 daughters, mortgage, cat), got fired a couple times, while attempting to gain enough experience and seniority to make it work. 5 years in and I'm finally making good enough money for what I do. (I make more than my MSW holding wife, anyway.)

    Point is I think I understand a little bit of what you're saying about taking risks, without pretending to know anything about your situation. I hope it works out for you in the long run.
  73. @scrivener3
    "For USA common people, the terrors are the USA’s brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailing in a country with 25% of all the world’s prisoners … or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation"

    You do not do the terrorism justice. American prisons are homosexual torture dungeons. Video cameras are now a few dollars and can network back to servers that keep everything indefinitely, There could be a camera in every cell and every prison area and any prisoner assault of another prisoner could be documented and punished. Yet this is not done. I believe the people in the criminal justice system want the prisons to be as horrific as possible to increase their power. How many men in prison are raped? It could be near zero.

    How many men in prison are raped? It could be near zero.

    Yet more low-hanging fruit the “men’s rights movement” ignores.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED, and testing the commenting...
  74. I am not American, but I have tried standing up against PC and the costs are huge, both personally and professionally. I noticed the mass Islamic abuse of women and children by Islamic enrichers in my home town in England and paid a heavy price. I was later vindicated and the reaction has been a mass national shoulder shrug. If you fired every female school-teacher who turned a blind eye, the education system would evaporate over large parts of the country. I doubt there is a female social worker in Oxfordshire who is not complicit. Up north, it’s even worse. Not one has been disciplined, let alone fired.

    My greatest fear now would be to be a juror in a trial where a man was accused of raping an adult women. Having seen how the majority of women react when real rape is happening, I now consider it a non-crime. The Brett Kavanaugh confirmed my view that women play up the minor unpleasantness of rape because it gives them the power to destroy a man they do not like. A life-changing trauma it ain’t.

    It seems to be far more traumatic for men than for women.

    In New Zealand, where I now live, things are not much better. Fellow POM exiles get it, but native-born Kiwis are often aggressively clueless (especially the women) – and will organise a hate-campaign against anyone who points out the obvious.

    Also, rape is taken especially seriously be the NZ police, in spite of the fact that a large proportion of the female population have a drink problem and the morals of a stoat. Chaste they ain’t.

  75. @Craig Nelsen
    I agree wholeheartedly with AE's post. There definitely needs to be more standing tall out there. Coulter has said the same thing. The only show of public support and respect Trump gets is when he's in Israel. We shouldn't be surprised if his actions reflect that.

    In December, I was visiting my hometown of Norfolk, Nebraska and was drinking some home distilled "shine" with four or five local guys--fathers and grandfathers--farmers--in the machine shed one of them has rigged with a wood burning stove, refrigerators, still, and home-made compressed-air automatic beer can crusher.

    All were very strong supporters of Trump. So I showed them a banner I had made and intended to display at the busiest intersection in Norfolk the next day, which was Saturday, wearing a yellow vest.

    This was what the banner was supposed to look like:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/graphics/dontfuckwithtrump-3x3.jpg

    My spray painted canvas banner was much cruder but it was something like 3' x 12' and said "DON'T FUCK WITH TRUMP" with a menacing Stuey from Family Guy brandishing a hand gun. They liked the slogan, helped me mount the canvas, but none would join me the next day for my stab at displaying support for Trump.

    I don't blame them, really. It's scary for us to do something like that. There were a couple of comments about not wanting to go to jail.

    The next day, I drove to 1st St and Norfolk Ave and began putting up the banner by pounding pointed stakes into the ground. Before I was finished pounding the stakes into the ground, three cop cars arrive and park and two approached me--a young white cop and an older white cop.

    Young cop as he's walking up: Hi, what's going on?

    Me: Putting up a banner.

    Young cop: You got any ID?

    Me: Yep.

    Young cop (after standing with his hand out): You wanna show me that ID?

    Me: Why?

    Young cop: We just like to know who we're talking to.

    Me: You're going to have to arrest me in order to see my ID.

    Older cop (breaking in): OK, no, you don't want to go there. What are you doing with this sign here?

    [meanwhile, more and more cars are pulling over to stop and watch]

    Me: I showing my support for our president.

    Older cop: OK, well of course you have the right to free speech. But you have to hold any signs like. You can't pound them into the ground.

    Me: I can't hold it by myself. I don't have anyone to help me, even though everyone around here supports Trump.

    Older cop: Well, you have to take it down.

    Me (growing angry): You know why I don't have anyone to help me hold it? Because of you. They were afraid they would go to jail. You are the problem.

    Older cop: No one is going to jail for holding a banner.

    Me: Well that's what they said, so YOU guys ARE the problem. Trump's fighting all the power in DC. He's got George Soros with his billions doing everything he can to destroy him, and here I am, one lonely puny guy out here with my homemade banner, and you are shutting me down. You are out here helping George Soros, for the love of God.

    The older cop just stood there for a minute. Then he turned and walked back to his car without a word. The young cop followed him, and all three drove away.

    Now some of the cars that had pulled over to watch this highly unusual spectacle for the Midwest honked and gave me thumbs up and yelled they liked the sign, and one lady ran over and asked if I would take her picture with the sign.

    It was the most exhilarating thing I'd done in a very long time.

    Here's me just after the cops left:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/misc/dontfuckwithtrump.jpg

    Nice job, Craig! It takes courage.

  76. AE, were you banned on Twitter?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    No, I deactivated the account. I may reactivate, but I find it to be a time sink without much upside.
  77. @Rosie

    How many men in prison are raped? It could be near zero.
     
    Yet more low-hanging fruit the "men's rights movement" ignores.

    AGREED, and testing the commenting…

  78. No one is going to stand up for Middle America. Either Middle America stands up for itself, or it’s finished.

    Fighting back just isn’t who nationalists/populists/right are. The right doesn’t have the religious zealotry combined with cover from on high that the left has. The left has pretty close to zero downside in stating their views and in their advocacy. The right wants that same zero downside but doesn’t have any protection from on high and faces major downside. Give the lack of religious zealotry and the desire to be left alone there is no way the right will start to fight back.

    The right is made up of consumers and turns to consumption to deal with problems. Specially, the retail therapy of guns. Regaining control of the school board, for example, is hard. Buying guns is fun. Guns allow the right to pretend to be tough hombres who won’t stand for losing their rights. This allows the right to be in denial while they lose every cultural battle and their rights are taken away.

    Boycotting in mass to bring social media and other corporate oligarchs to their knees is a drag and gets in the way of consumption. Buying guns is far more fun and still easier.

    • Agree: 216
  79. ‘Middle America’ is a great, undefinable, fuzzy blob. Everybody is deemed “middle class” no matter how rich or poor. It conveniently does away with all discussion of class divisions in society and opens the door to fractious identity politics, where even rich Jews & homo executives can pretend to victimhood. Even weaselly Elizabeth Warren is theming her insipid campaign on re-building the middle class. The president stood up for the working class and “woke” them. Now the working class must stand up for him – and TO him when necessary: it’s the only chance we’ve got. The entrenchment of the left -identity politics variety-is accelerating and will soon overtake the entropy of anything vaguely called ‘Middle America’. Trump, with all the warts, may be the only brake on it remaining, at least for now.

  80. My advise to Middle America…..

    As a member of the whitey club prior to 1982 (my handle and Steve Sailor’s writings about what Reagan’s EEOC mysteriously did with South Asians in 1982 is your hint) and someone who wants whitey to keep doing good in America cuz…..like nobody else is capable to taking their place, let me share some thoughts with you all.

    The 2016 elections was thrilling for me with finally having someone smash through the PC wall like this

    , powered by 5M+ Obama-Trump voters which led to almost sweep of upper mid west, yes there were equally big 5M+ Romney-Clinton voters who made GA/TX/AZ squeakers but Trump still won these states. Coming out of 2016 I though these Romney-Clinton voters could be won over with usual Republican tax cuts and they would not want to to be in same party with Maxine Waters, so we have a durable majority heading into 2020.

    Well things are not quite turning out that way, mainly because these Romney-Clinton voters seem to not only have gone to the other side, but taken hardened positions with biggest guns pointed back at us, its almost they are trying to makeup for their past sins of voting against Clinton/Kerry/Obama by really going all in this time, even for someone like Kamala Harris who hates them more than herpes. 2 very disheartening stats out of 2018 are that Republicans got only 55% of white vote, and many districts that flipped from Romney to Clinton in 2016 went by bigger margin to Democrats 2018! Also the congressional Republicans have turned out to bigger crooks and cheats than I imagined in my worst dreams, in this last cluster%^& of a bill, turns out good ol Sen Richard Shelby of AL is one who led the complete sellout on beds and amnesty.

    I do not blame Trump for any of this mess, he is what he is. If he was not who he is, no one would have picked the mantle of immigrations, borders, and nation. Remember prior to him, I only recall 2 candidates meekly mentioning the question of legal immigration, Rick Santorum and Scott Walker, who strangely did not mention it after his initial speech.

    So what do you all do. I have 2 suggestions.

    First, enlargen the whitey club, just like Italians and Irish were let in, openly seek groups that would want to be considered white. Popular culture is not going to do this for you, you will have to do this yourself, one person and family at a time. Several sub-groups that should be easy for you are Hispanics who consider themselves white (mainly Cubans, Venezuelans, Northern Mexicans), and Asians who are very religious Christians (mainly Koreans, Vietnamese, and Pilipinos). Ignore everybody else. My own tribe is the most Democratic group second only to AA’s, yet they seem to get the most prominent positions in Trump admin, hey they call it stupid party for no reason. Seek out anybody who belongs to these groups and tell that it is ok to be white, actually it’s pretty cool to be white. Get your children to talk and play with their children.

    Second, aggressively confront liberal whites when they trash talk about Trump or whites in general which often times goes hand in hand. I mainly work with members of the leach class (law, finance, consulting) and its absolutely amazing how much anti-white the white members of this group are, at any off work gathering lately the topic often goes from Tump bad to Whites bad to America bad. At a similar gathering last year, I lost my patience and had to make a point that actually India is the most racist country in the world as had been documented clearly by Guardian and that their caste system was the most successful apartheid like system over millennia, the Indian member of group flipped and said that there was no caste system in India and that it was creation of Brits. To this the liberal white members of my group had dear in eye look as they could not figure of what to say. What it showed me is that a little pushback against this insanity goes along with towards popping this bubble. Once again the popular culture or the Republican Party are not going to do it, you all will have to do it in your daily life’s one liberal white at a time.

    I really hope you guys have the willpower to do it, the future of America depends on it. On this forum I read a lot of stuff about splitting the country, that may still happen but the constitutive parts will be collectively hell lot of poorer and weaker. Let’s keep it whole and make it work.

    • Replies: @Tungarian

    I mainly work with members of the leach class (law, finance, consulting) and its absolutely amazing how much anti-white the white members of this group are, at any off work gathering lately the topic often goes from Tump bad to Whites bad to America bad. At a similar gathering last year, I lost my patience and had to make a point that actually India is the most racist country in the world as had been documented clearly by Guardian and that their caste system was the most successful apartheid like system over millennia, the Indian member of group flipped and said that there was no caste system in India and that it was creation of Brits.
     
    Kudos to you indocon! I've seen that when confronted with such not so glamorous facts about the motherland, the Indians from India screech and hag sometimes with a shrill high pitched voice that is quite funny to witness [to be frank]. As a group, they are very very image conscious [after having made their millions in just the last decade or two] and would rather not show India's ugly underbelly.

    One of my work mates is a hard-line Hindu who is beyond crazed about Modi and the way he addresses India's lower castes, Christians and Muslims would make him a genocidal freak but on domestic issues, he is a [I believe, pretend] libertarian gunning for ever more "skilled legal immigration" aka more H1B coolies to drive down the wages by creating a glut. For him, middle America and those 'heritage Americans" are losers in a competitive world that free market will definitely erase from our collective memories. And that will be for the greater good of the country and "capitalism" apparently, as per him! As if this nation is nothing more than a trading floor

    There are very few dot Indians who are candid [that I've ever met] and for that alone I commend you sir!

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Let’s keep it whole and make it work.

    The sentiment is understandable, but splitting up increasingly seems like the best way to make it work for everyone.
  81. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I suppose I could stand up like the article says; it's well written and I agree with its theme, but reality has a way of rearing its ugly head. If I stand up, I will be out of a job, lose my house, and be unable to support my family. My former co-workers and most of my family will shun me because they will think I'm insane, as they make up what is the majority of middle America that has absolutely no idea what's coming. Now I'm unemployed and alone. Can I move in with Screwtape at that point?

    The change (read: violence) will begin when either the welfare entitlements and government pensions start to dry up and those fokes begin to loot and burn in the urban areas, or when economic collapse drives the working class out of their jobs and puts them into a position of nothing left to lose.

    If the kind of populist driven reversal of course is going to happen absent those two things, it will have to be started by a group of individuals who have the resources to sustain it through the beginning stages (the FF were not middle class, they were the rich guys.)

    I'm also more genuinely concerned about the idea of firearm confiscation becoming a real possibility than ever. Here in Shillinois, Pritzger seems pretty intent an making a legit attempt at doing so (btw his brother is a former army colonel who served for 26 years, retired, and has since become a transsexual who splits his time between Chicago and Israel.) So then if it happens, who are all of these so-called red pilled police going to side with at that moment of truth? The people and the 2ndA? Or their own pensions? To ask is to answer it. The police in metro areas, as we have seen in all of these LARPing dust ups the last few years, either take the antifa side or remain out of sight. Any attempt for a dissident group to organize would be shut down by the SWAT teams made up of "conservative" cops.

    The larger point is the police are not on our side, and won't be if there is violence. They will serve their masters in the state on the promise of comfortable salaries, OT, healthcare, and pensions . They will shoot us down in a heartbeat if we organize or refuse to give up our guns. If you want an example as to why I believe this, visit the Second City Cop website and see how these two "conservative" cops feel about pensions. They feel as emphatically entitled to them as any garden variety negro does about his LINK card. Has anyone here actually known of a commenter to identify as a police officer at UR? I've been reading here for over 2 years and haven't run across a single cop (that I can remember.) They probably are here but keep it to themselves. That speaks for itself. Cops are paid legionaries; their loyalty is to the man who gives them coin.

    A hard hitting comment Mike. In all fairness, I’d love LOVE to hear from anonymous cops here [if any]. Till date they’ve shown themselves to be superb enforcers of the dystopia ordained by our “betters”. Has anyone made an attempt to red pill the cops about what/who they are actually ‘protecting and serving”? I’ve had stumbled upon a certain blog some time back from a former marine who wanted to red pill people about the utter waste there is in serving ZOG by killing and dying folks over “there” while our borders are deliberately kept wide open by those very people.

    Do we have a similar blog [no matter how small, for now] for die polizei?

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    To the extent that white men identified with wearing any uniform of Caesar, white men revealed themselves to be thoroughly cucked.

    A real man would never, ever succumb to the siren song of soldiery or gendarmerie. A real man would have respect for himself as he would want to earn his living upon a voluntary and consensual basis.

    A real man would learn, early in life, that cops and soldiers do not make or produce anything of value qua cops and soldiers.

    A real man would learn, early in life, to reject the sophomoric defenses made in behalf of cops and soldiers. A real man would, for example, understand that cops and soldiers do not defend his rights and liberties and would laugh at those who proffered such progressive propositions. After all, if cops and soldiers defended an individual's right to keep and bear arms, why are there, literally, tens of thousands of laws and regulations banning and / or restricting such rights?
  82. @indocon
    My advise to Middle America.....

    As a member of the whitey club prior to 1982 (my handle and Steve Sailor's writings about what Reagan's EEOC mysteriously did with South Asians in 1982 is your hint) and someone who wants whitey to keep doing good in America cuz.....like nobody else is capable to taking their place, let me share some thoughts with you all.

    The 2016 elections was thrilling for me with finally having someone smash through the PC wall like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d79MOzMJGSI , powered by 5M+ Obama-Trump voters which led to almost sweep of upper mid west, yes there were equally big 5M+ Romney-Clinton voters who made GA/TX/AZ squeakers but Trump still won these states. Coming out of 2016 I though these Romney-Clinton voters could be won over with usual Republican tax cuts and they would not want to to be in same party with Maxine Waters, so we have a durable majority heading into 2020.

    Well things are not quite turning out that way, mainly because these Romney-Clinton voters seem to not only have gone to the other side, but taken hardened positions with biggest guns pointed back at us, its almost they are trying to makeup for their past sins of voting against Clinton/Kerry/Obama by really going all in this time, even for someone like Kamala Harris who hates them more than herpes. 2 very disheartening stats out of 2018 are that Republicans got only 55% of white vote, and many districts that flipped from Romney to Clinton in 2016 went by bigger margin to Democrats 2018! Also the congressional Republicans have turned out to bigger crooks and cheats than I imagined in my worst dreams, in this last cluster%^& of a bill, turns out good ol Sen Richard Shelby of AL is one who led the complete sellout on beds and amnesty.

    I do not blame Trump for any of this mess, he is what he is. If he was not who he is, no one would have picked the mantle of immigrations, borders, and nation. Remember prior to him, I only recall 2 candidates meekly mentioning the question of legal immigration, Rick Santorum and Scott Walker, who strangely did not mention it after his initial speech.

    So what do you all do. I have 2 suggestions.

    First, enlargen the whitey club, just like Italians and Irish were let in, openly seek groups that would want to be considered white. Popular culture is not going to do this for you, you will have to do this yourself, one person and family at a time. Several sub-groups that should be easy for you are Hispanics who consider themselves white (mainly Cubans, Venezuelans, Northern Mexicans), and Asians who are very religious Christians (mainly Koreans, Vietnamese, and Pilipinos). Ignore everybody else. My own tribe is the most Democratic group second only to AA's, yet they seem to get the most prominent positions in Trump admin, hey they call it stupid party for no reason. Seek out anybody who belongs to these groups and tell that it is ok to be white, actually it's pretty cool to be white. Get your children to talk and play with their children.

    Second, aggressively confront liberal whites when they trash talk about Trump or whites in general which often times goes hand in hand. I mainly work with members of the leach class (law, finance, consulting) and its absolutely amazing how much anti-white the white members of this group are, at any off work gathering lately the topic often goes from Tump bad to Whites bad to America bad. At a similar gathering last year, I lost my patience and had to make a point that actually India is the most racist country in the world as had been documented clearly by Guardian and that their caste system was the most successful apartheid like system over millennia, the Indian member of group flipped and said that there was no caste system in India and that it was creation of Brits. To this the liberal white members of my group had dear in eye look as they could not figure of what to say. What it showed me is that a little pushback against this insanity goes along with towards popping this bubble. Once again the popular culture or the Republican Party are not going to do it, you all will have to do it in your daily life's one liberal white at a time.

    I really hope you guys have the willpower to do it, the future of America depends on it. On this forum I read a lot of stuff about splitting the country, that may still happen but the constitutive parts will be collectively hell lot of poorer and weaker. Let's keep it whole and make it work.

    I mainly work with members of the leach class (law, finance, consulting) and its absolutely amazing how much anti-white the white members of this group are, at any off work gathering lately the topic often goes from Tump bad to Whites bad to America bad. At a similar gathering last year, I lost my patience and had to make a point that actually India is the most racist country in the world as had been documented clearly by Guardian and that their caste system was the most successful apartheid like system over millennia, the Indian member of group flipped and said that there was no caste system in India and that it was creation of Brits.

    Kudos to you indocon! I’ve seen that when confronted with such not so glamorous facts about the motherland, the Indians from India screech and hag sometimes with a shrill high pitched voice that is quite funny to witness [to be frank]. As a group, they are very very image conscious [after having made their millions in just the last decade or two] and would rather not show India’s ugly underbelly.

    One of my work mates is a hard-line Hindu who is beyond crazed about Modi and the way he addresses India’s lower castes, Christians and Muslims would make him a genocidal freak but on domestic issues, he is a [I believe, pretend] libertarian gunning for ever more “skilled legal immigration” aka more H1B coolies to drive down the wages by creating a glut. For him, middle America and those ‘heritage Americans” are losers in a competitive world that free market will definitely erase from our collective memories. And that will be for the greater good of the country and “capitalism” apparently, as per him! As if this nation is nothing more than a trading floor

    There are very few dot Indians who are candid [that I’ve ever met] and for that alone I commend you sir!

  83. @Talha
    Yeah, I’m not sure I’m included in that “we”.

    “we” will be dhimmi.
     
    Depends on what you mean by “we”. If you mean white people, then if they are Muslim, they get full enfranchisement.

    I actually wouldn’t mind being given the dhimmi option for a chance to stay in the US. It’s worth trying out, and if I don’t like it, I could vote with me feet.

    Peace.

    I actually wouldn’t mind being given the dhimmi option for a chance to stay in the US.

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom. Just like free speech for Nazis is incompatible with muh free speech. Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.

    • Replies: @Talha

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom.
     
    Depends on the parameters. It doesn't really care what people worship or how as long as they don't try to spread it among Muslims or don't blaspheme publicly. So I'm not really sure whether that comes under restricting religion or speech...hmmmm...

    For instance, it was the Brits that forced the end of the practice of sati in India. The Mughals ruled India for centuries, but let it proceed - they were only concerned that the widow was not being forced into carrying it out. If it was voluntary, well - burn, baby, burn...


    Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.
     
    Doh! Well then you are also not for "muh free speech" and "muh freedom of religion". That's OK - everyone falls into the hole called Popper's Paradox when they aren't looking - it's a doozy. Best thing to do is simply sidestep the whole thing.

    Giving Muslims the dhimmi option in America would effectively be trying to suppress or control the growth of Islam. Muslims wouldn't be allowed to preach (which is inconsequential anyway since so many of our converts are now coming through the internet), or allowed to marry Christian/Jewish women (no biggie) and then certain municipalities and districts could openly oppose the building of mosques in their area without running aground of the Constitutional issue. Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place - but all of this is perfectly legal in a democracy given enough popular support. I mean think about it - for a few years, America legally prohibited alcohol for the entire population - pretty incredible. I wonder though if anyone knows, were Catholics given an exemption for the Eucharist ritual which involves wine or did they have to use ginger ale or something?

    Related to the subject:
    "Western governments want to have more influence on Muslim practice with their own borders"
    https://www.economist.com/special-report/2019/02/14/western-governments-want-to-have-more-influence-on-muslim-practice-with-their-own-borders

    Peace.

  84. @Screwtape
    You and others here raise valid points re: the very real personal risks, the limited economic resources and social reach of the middle and lower strata, the relative abundance and easy living most still have - albeit precarious per the risks laid out.

    All while the wealthier still have the means to insulate or separate themselves from the multiculti dystopia they seem bent on ushering in.

    I don’t have many answers. Trying to work it out for myself. I also know there is a huge difference between the ability to articulate the problems and the ability to deploy meaningful solutions IRL.

    I agree that the course ahead seems rather black pill, that until something drastic enough to draw something akin to natural law back into the system, some kind of social movement is unlikely to spring forth.

    Yet i also believe that there are personal, small turns of the dial that can create meaningful change in aggregate - or even for one man and those he loves.

    We don’t know what doors may open or what might just cascade from a few choices and actions in our daily lives.

    Ive made some and paid heavily for them. But have also made some that found fertile ground I didn’t see at first.

    I wont bore with the details. But there are ways. At the very least, pulling a few more men from the slumber of pluralistic ignorance is worth something. So I focus on my own house and draw concentric circles out from there.

    Speaking of, i do have a spare room. Though after I made the choice to leave corporate employment ten years back i make much less money, so i just rent, which means when my lease rolls i may have to downsize again.

    Well stated. At age 38 I made a significant career change and basically started over. Same industry (transportation) but moved from management to driving. The transportation and logistics business in the Chicago area is miserable and cutthroat, and I was fried after 10 years of it. Marriage was suffering. It was not an easy transition, but it was necessary. Accumulated some debt (wife, 2 daughters, mortgage, cat), got fired a couple times, while attempting to gain enough experience and seniority to make it work. 5 years in and I’m finally making good enough money for what I do. (I make more than my MSW holding wife, anyway.)

    Point is I think I understand a little bit of what you’re saying about taking risks, without pretending to know anything about your situation. I hope it works out for you in the long run.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Will you email me at [email protected]? Subject line something like "from Mike" is fine. Thanks very much.
  85. @Craig Nelsen
    I agree wholeheartedly with AE's post. There definitely needs to be more standing tall out there. Coulter has said the same thing. The only show of public support and respect Trump gets is when he's in Israel. We shouldn't be surprised if his actions reflect that.

    In December, I was visiting my hometown of Norfolk, Nebraska and was drinking some home distilled "shine" with four or five local guys--fathers and grandfathers--farmers--in the machine shed one of them has rigged with a wood burning stove, refrigerators, still, and home-made compressed-air automatic beer can crusher.

    All were very strong supporters of Trump. So I showed them a banner I had made and intended to display at the busiest intersection in Norfolk the next day, which was Saturday, wearing a yellow vest.

    This was what the banner was supposed to look like:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/graphics/dontfuckwithtrump-3x3.jpg

    My spray painted canvas banner was much cruder but it was something like 3' x 12' and said "DON'T FUCK WITH TRUMP" with a menacing Stuey from Family Guy brandishing a hand gun. They liked the slogan, helped me mount the canvas, but none would join me the next day for my stab at displaying support for Trump.

    I don't blame them, really. It's scary for us to do something like that. There were a couple of comments about not wanting to go to jail.

    The next day, I drove to 1st St and Norfolk Ave and began putting up the banner by pounding pointed stakes into the ground. Before I was finished pounding the stakes into the ground, three cop cars arrive and park and two approached me--a young white cop and an older white cop.

    Young cop as he's walking up: Hi, what's going on?

    Me: Putting up a banner.

    Young cop: You got any ID?

    Me: Yep.

    Young cop (after standing with his hand out): You wanna show me that ID?

    Me: Why?

    Young cop: We just like to know who we're talking to.

    Me: You're going to have to arrest me in order to see my ID.

    Older cop (breaking in): OK, no, you don't want to go there. What are you doing with this sign here?

    [meanwhile, more and more cars are pulling over to stop and watch]

    Me: I showing my support for our president.

    Older cop: OK, well of course you have the right to free speech. But you have to hold any signs like. You can't pound them into the ground.

    Me: I can't hold it by myself. I don't have anyone to help me, even though everyone around here supports Trump.

    Older cop: Well, you have to take it down.

    Me (growing angry): You know why I don't have anyone to help me hold it? Because of you. They were afraid they would go to jail. You are the problem.

    Older cop: No one is going to jail for holding a banner.

    Me: Well that's what they said, so YOU guys ARE the problem. Trump's fighting all the power in DC. He's got George Soros with his billions doing everything he can to destroy him, and here I am, one lonely puny guy out here with my homemade banner, and you are shutting me down. You are out here helping George Soros, for the love of God.

    The older cop just stood there for a minute. Then he turned and walked back to his car without a word. The young cop followed him, and all three drove away.

    Now some of the cars that had pulled over to watch this highly unusual spectacle for the Midwest honked and gave me thumbs up and yelled they liked the sign, and one lady ran over and asked if I would take her picture with the sign.

    It was the most exhilarating thing I'd done in a very long time.

    Here's me just after the cops left:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/misc/dontfuckwithtrump.jpg

    Great story.

    See my comment 28 in this post and how it applies to that young cop you had to deal with. That kid is so amped up and ready for some action he is willing to throw everything (I’m assuming/maybe he’s a closet brown shirt) he thinks he believes about freedom right out the window so he can brace some normie and have a story to tell.

    It’s pathetic.

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
    Regarding the cops:

    They freely and voluntarily signed up to be the king's men. Thus, their compensation is predicated upon coercion, i.e., the tax rackets. What sort of decent man would choose to do such a thing?

    What have cops done to protect your right to shield your income from the prying hands of progressives?
  86. @Tungarian
    A hard hitting comment Mike. In all fairness, I'd love LOVE to hear from anonymous cops here [if any]. Till date they've shown themselves to be superb enforcers of the dystopia ordained by our "betters". Has anyone made an attempt to red pill the cops about what/who they are actually 'protecting and serving"? I've had stumbled upon a certain blog some time back from a former marine who wanted to red pill people about the utter waste there is in serving ZOG by killing and dying folks over "there" while our borders are deliberately kept wide open by those very people.

    Do we have a similar blog [no matter how small, for now] for die polizei?

    To the extent that white men identified with wearing any uniform of Caesar, white men revealed themselves to be thoroughly cucked.

    A real man would never, ever succumb to the siren song of soldiery or gendarmerie. A real man would have respect for himself as he would want to earn his living upon a voluntary and consensual basis.

    A real man would learn, early in life, that cops and soldiers do not make or produce anything of value qua cops and soldiers.

    A real man would learn, early in life, to reject the sophomoric defenses made in behalf of cops and soldiers. A real man would, for example, understand that cops and soldiers do not defend his rights and liberties and would laugh at those who proffered such progressive propositions. After all, if cops and soldiers defended an individual’s right to keep and bear arms, why are there, literally, tens of thousands of laws and regulations banning and / or restricting such rights?

  87. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Great story.

    See my comment 28 in this post and how it applies to that young cop you had to deal with. That kid is so amped up and ready for some action he is willing to throw everything (I'm assuming/maybe he's a closet brown shirt) he thinks he believes about freedom right out the window so he can brace some normie and have a story to tell.

    It's pathetic.

    Regarding the cops:

    They freely and voluntarily signed up to be the king’s men. Thus, their compensation is predicated upon coercion, i.e., the tax rackets. What sort of decent man would choose to do such a thing?

    What have cops done to protect your right to shield your income from the prying hands of progressives?

  88. @iffen
    I actually wouldn’t mind being given the dhimmi option for a chance to stay in the US.

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom. Just like free speech for Nazis is incompatible with muh free speech. Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom.

    Depends on the parameters. It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly. So I’m not really sure whether that comes under restricting religion or speech…hmmmm…

    For instance, it was the Brits that forced the end of the practice of sati in India. The Mughals ruled India for centuries, but let it proceed – they were only concerned that the widow was not being forced into carrying it out. If it was voluntary, well – burn, baby, burn…

    Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.

    Doh! Well then you are also not for “muh free speech” and “muh freedom of religion”. That’s OK – everyone falls into the hole called Popper’s Paradox when they aren’t looking – it’s a doozy. Best thing to do is simply sidestep the whole thing.

    Giving Muslims the dhimmi option in America would effectively be trying to suppress or control the growth of Islam. Muslims wouldn’t be allowed to preach (which is inconsequential anyway since so many of our converts are now coming through the internet), or allowed to marry Christian/Jewish women (no biggie) and then certain municipalities and districts could openly oppose the building of mosques in their area without running aground of the Constitutional issue. Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place – but all of this is perfectly legal in a democracy given enough popular support. I mean think about it – for a few years, America legally prohibited alcohol for the entire population – pretty incredible. I wonder though if anyone knows, were Catholics given an exemption for the Eucharist ritual which involves wine or did they have to use ginger ale or something?

    Related to the subject:
    “Western governments want to have more influence on Muslim practice with their own borders”
    https://www.economist.com/special-report/2019/02/14/western-governments-want-to-have-more-influence-on-muslim-practice-with-their-own-borders

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Doh! Well then you are also not for “muh free speech” and “muh freedom of religion”.

    Depends on the parameters.


    I have decided that I'm going to worry about my free speech and not yours. I have decided that the best way to protect my free speech is to protect my free speech and not yours.

    It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly.

    Proselytizing is a core feature of my religion. Sorry, Islam is incompatible.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    " Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place –"

    Not at all. Listen, the FF were learned, intelligent, thoughtful, and wise. But they could not see the future. There is no way possible they could have ever imagined the United States looking as it does today, just as we cannot possibly imagine the world 200 years from now.

    The 1A has been exploited as part of the larger goal of fundamentally turning the USA from a white Christian country into a 3rd world hellhole. The FF did not write the 1A so that The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster could exist free of government persecution, or so that Amerindians can do peyote, or so that thieving Muslim women can wear full burkas in order to hide their identities from the authorities. Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF's were concerned. Further, the only "separation of church and state" intended by the FF was to prohibit the existence of "The Church of the United States," which the British crown used (Church of England) in order to exert some sort of divine authority over the masses. Separation of C and S was never intended to halt prayers recited in public schools or have religious symbols removed from courthouses, or to remove any trace of the existence of religion (specifically Christianity; public universities are woke to the need of Muslim students requiring expansive "prayer rooms" all over their grounds, tax money funds Holocaust museums, etc) from anything remotely associated with a government entity.

    The Pandora's box that is Muslim immigration into the US has been facilitated by an strategy that FF's would have never agreed to (they likely would have objected to large groups of Italians and Polocks and Russian Jews immigrating here as well), nurtured by a parasitic welfare state, and further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF's would have likely risen up in arms against.

    In short, the FF's never intend the US to occupied by Muslims, and would have never allowed their entry. So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.

    "It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly."

    I got a good laugh out of this. Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet, so it's amusing to see one refute the inverse. I'm pretty sure I've said this before. Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin. They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically. You seem like an intelligent guy, so you would be quite valuable back wherever it is your ancestry came from. That way, you and I would both be free from the proximity that will only end in the elimination of one of us. If not, well, see you down range.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Are you trying to tell me that widows in Mughal-ruled India would voluntarily step into a fire? I have a hard time believing that.
  89. @Talha

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom.
     
    Depends on the parameters. It doesn't really care what people worship or how as long as they don't try to spread it among Muslims or don't blaspheme publicly. So I'm not really sure whether that comes under restricting religion or speech...hmmmm...

    For instance, it was the Brits that forced the end of the practice of sati in India. The Mughals ruled India for centuries, but let it proceed - they were only concerned that the widow was not being forced into carrying it out. If it was voluntary, well - burn, baby, burn...


    Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.
     
    Doh! Well then you are also not for "muh free speech" and "muh freedom of religion". That's OK - everyone falls into the hole called Popper's Paradox when they aren't looking - it's a doozy. Best thing to do is simply sidestep the whole thing.

    Giving Muslims the dhimmi option in America would effectively be trying to suppress or control the growth of Islam. Muslims wouldn't be allowed to preach (which is inconsequential anyway since so many of our converts are now coming through the internet), or allowed to marry Christian/Jewish women (no biggie) and then certain municipalities and districts could openly oppose the building of mosques in their area without running aground of the Constitutional issue. Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place - but all of this is perfectly legal in a democracy given enough popular support. I mean think about it - for a few years, America legally prohibited alcohol for the entire population - pretty incredible. I wonder though if anyone knows, were Catholics given an exemption for the Eucharist ritual which involves wine or did they have to use ginger ale or something?

    Related to the subject:
    "Western governments want to have more influence on Muslim practice with their own borders"
    https://www.economist.com/special-report/2019/02/14/western-governments-want-to-have-more-influence-on-muslim-practice-with-their-own-borders

    Peace.

    Doh! Well then you are also not for “muh free speech” and “muh freedom of religion”.

    Depends on the parameters.

    I have decided that I’m going to worry about my free speech and not yours. I have decided that the best way to protect my free speech is to protect my free speech and not yours.

    It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly.

    Proselytizing is a core feature of my religion. Sorry, Islam is incompatible.

    • Replies: @Talha

    I have decided that I’m going to worry about my free speech and not yours.
     
    There you go - kick that old man Voltaire in the teeth! Take that Frenchie! (Don't know if this counts as an ethnic slur - I was going to use Froggy, but thought better of it...)

    Proselytizing is a core feature of my religion
     
    Now, don't get me wrong - Islam doesn't have restrictions against proselytizing to other groups within its territory, just not to Muslims.

    peace.
  90. @iffen
    Doh! Well then you are also not for “muh free speech” and “muh freedom of religion”.

    Depends on the parameters.


    I have decided that I'm going to worry about my free speech and not yours. I have decided that the best way to protect my free speech is to protect my free speech and not yours.

    It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly.

    Proselytizing is a core feature of my religion. Sorry, Islam is incompatible.

    I have decided that I’m going to worry about my free speech and not yours.

    There you go – kick that old man Voltaire in the teeth! Take that Frenchie! (Don’t know if this counts as an ethnic slur – I was going to use Froggy, but thought better of it…)

    Proselytizing is a core feature of my religion

    Now, don’t get me wrong – Islam doesn’t have restrictions against proselytizing to other groups within its territory, just not to Muslims.

    peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Now, don’t get me wrong – Islam doesn’t have restrictions against proselytizing to other groups within its territory, just not to Muslims.

    You actually don't realize how frigging ridiculous this statement is.
  91. @Priss Factor
    To clear thing up, we need to speak of White Elite Privilege.

    The US is really about White Elite Privilege, not White Privilege.
    White Elites really do have privilege and work hard to justify & keep it by spouting PC cliches about fighting 'white privilege', thus spreading the blame around to ALL whites, most of whom don't have privilege. It's a trick of spreading the blame to stay in the game.

    We have to stop talking of 'White Privilege'. The term is too broad and genetic. Too often, the debate is about 'there is white privilege' vs 'there is no white privilege'.
    The problem is 'white' is too expansive and inclusive a category, including everyone from Bill Gates to toothless hillbilly in W. Virginia. So, 'white privilege' is pointless as it includes even dirt poor whites with nothing and are often victimized by black thugs.

    But there really is White Elite Privilege. Paradoxically, in order for White Elites to keep their own considerable status and privilege, they must denounce 'White Privilege'. It's so very convenient for them because they, as the clever educated and affluent, get to pretend as agents of 'social justice' against the white working class and 'deplorables' who resist 'change'. (Diversity also favors the elites over the masses. In a homogeneous society, the elites with MORE are at moral disadvantage to the masses who have less. But in a diverse society, the haves can hug Diversity[mostly as tokens and peons] and accuse the have-nots of their own kind of 'racism' and 'xenophobia'. Thus, moral advantage goes to the elites.)
    To expose and bring these a**holes down, we need to use the term, White Elite Privilege. Or White Comprador Elite Privilege because white elite privilege is in service to Jewish Super-Privilege. As Jewish Power has rigged the Narrative to make Jews holy & pure while making whites sinful & guilty, white elites must appear to atone for their past sins in order to justify and keep their privilege. Jews exploit this psychology by steering guilt-ridden white elites to serve Jewish power and Zionism, and the white elites play along because it isn't too difficult to shout out 'Long Live Israel' and wave the Israeli flag. Sure beats being dragged to labor camps for re-education.

    We need to talk of White Elite Privilege vs White Mass Problems. Change the terms of the debate, and people will think differently.

    White elite privilege is a better, more precise phrase. I’ll use it from now on.

  92. @Craig Nelsen
    I agree wholeheartedly with AE's post. There definitely needs to be more standing tall out there. Coulter has said the same thing. The only show of public support and respect Trump gets is when he's in Israel. We shouldn't be surprised if his actions reflect that.

    In December, I was visiting my hometown of Norfolk, Nebraska and was drinking some home distilled "shine" with four or five local guys--fathers and grandfathers--farmers--in the machine shed one of them has rigged with a wood burning stove, refrigerators, still, and home-made compressed-air automatic beer can crusher.

    All were very strong supporters of Trump. So I showed them a banner I had made and intended to display at the busiest intersection in Norfolk the next day, which was Saturday, wearing a yellow vest.

    This was what the banner was supposed to look like:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/graphics/dontfuckwithtrump-3x3.jpg

    My spray painted canvas banner was much cruder but it was something like 3' x 12' and said "DON'T FUCK WITH TRUMP" with a menacing Stuey from Family Guy brandishing a hand gun. They liked the slogan, helped me mount the canvas, but none would join me the next day for my stab at displaying support for Trump.

    I don't blame them, really. It's scary for us to do something like that. There were a couple of comments about not wanting to go to jail.

    The next day, I drove to 1st St and Norfolk Ave and began putting up the banner by pounding pointed stakes into the ground. Before I was finished pounding the stakes into the ground, three cop cars arrive and park and two approached me--a young white cop and an older white cop.

    Young cop as he's walking up: Hi, what's going on?

    Me: Putting up a banner.

    Young cop: You got any ID?

    Me: Yep.

    Young cop (after standing with his hand out): You wanna show me that ID?

    Me: Why?

    Young cop: We just like to know who we're talking to.

    Me: You're going to have to arrest me in order to see my ID.

    Older cop (breaking in): OK, no, you don't want to go there. What are you doing with this sign here?

    [meanwhile, more and more cars are pulling over to stop and watch]

    Me: I showing my support for our president.

    Older cop: OK, well of course you have the right to free speech. But you have to hold any signs like. You can't pound them into the ground.

    Me: I can't hold it by myself. I don't have anyone to help me, even though everyone around here supports Trump.

    Older cop: Well, you have to take it down.

    Me (growing angry): You know why I don't have anyone to help me hold it? Because of you. They were afraid they would go to jail. You are the problem.

    Older cop: No one is going to jail for holding a banner.

    Me: Well that's what they said, so YOU guys ARE the problem. Trump's fighting all the power in DC. He's got George Soros with his billions doing everything he can to destroy him, and here I am, one lonely puny guy out here with my homemade banner, and you are shutting me down. You are out here helping George Soros, for the love of God.

    The older cop just stood there for a minute. Then he turned and walked back to his car without a word. The young cop followed him, and all three drove away.

    Now some of the cars that had pulled over to watch this highly unusual spectacle for the Midwest honked and gave me thumbs up and yelled they liked the sign, and one lady ran over and asked if I would take her picture with the sign.

    It was the most exhilarating thing I'd done in a very long time.

    Here's me just after the cops left:

    https://craignelsen.com/img/misc/dontfuckwithtrump.jpg

    Your story really fleshes out the magnitude of the problem. Stephen Miller captured it in Trump’s Poland speech–the question of the 21st century is whether or not the West has the will to survive.

    • Replies: @A.B. Prosper
    France does. Our media being heavily censored won't cover it but the French Les Deplorables in the form of the Gillete Jaunes is pushing that nation hard in the correct direction

    That movement and large numbers of other identitarian movements are spreading in every nation in Europe

    Europe might end up Socialist and Nationalist but that is their choice and it probably works better for them than Neo Conservative /Economic Liberalism does for us

    Now the US will not survive as a nation. This is not an issue of immigration though that is a huge part of it its actually our character

    The US has no reason to exist other than political inertia and wealth extraction

    The only reasons it hasn't fallen apart yet are money is still flowing and our rather pathetic rebel class

    The US Right has plenty of weapons and the skill to make a hell of an insurgency but they lack the ability to actual lead or be lead.
  93. @Hail
    AE, were you banned on Twitter?

    No, I deactivated the account. I may reactivate, but I find it to be a time sink without much upside.

    • Agree: 216
  94. @indocon
    My advise to Middle America.....

    As a member of the whitey club prior to 1982 (my handle and Steve Sailor's writings about what Reagan's EEOC mysteriously did with South Asians in 1982 is your hint) and someone who wants whitey to keep doing good in America cuz.....like nobody else is capable to taking their place, let me share some thoughts with you all.

    The 2016 elections was thrilling for me with finally having someone smash through the PC wall like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d79MOzMJGSI , powered by 5M+ Obama-Trump voters which led to almost sweep of upper mid west, yes there were equally big 5M+ Romney-Clinton voters who made GA/TX/AZ squeakers but Trump still won these states. Coming out of 2016 I though these Romney-Clinton voters could be won over with usual Republican tax cuts and they would not want to to be in same party with Maxine Waters, so we have a durable majority heading into 2020.

    Well things are not quite turning out that way, mainly because these Romney-Clinton voters seem to not only have gone to the other side, but taken hardened positions with biggest guns pointed back at us, its almost they are trying to makeup for their past sins of voting against Clinton/Kerry/Obama by really going all in this time, even for someone like Kamala Harris who hates them more than herpes. 2 very disheartening stats out of 2018 are that Republicans got only 55% of white vote, and many districts that flipped from Romney to Clinton in 2016 went by bigger margin to Democrats 2018! Also the congressional Republicans have turned out to bigger crooks and cheats than I imagined in my worst dreams, in this last cluster%^& of a bill, turns out good ol Sen Richard Shelby of AL is one who led the complete sellout on beds and amnesty.

    I do not blame Trump for any of this mess, he is what he is. If he was not who he is, no one would have picked the mantle of immigrations, borders, and nation. Remember prior to him, I only recall 2 candidates meekly mentioning the question of legal immigration, Rick Santorum and Scott Walker, who strangely did not mention it after his initial speech.

    So what do you all do. I have 2 suggestions.

    First, enlargen the whitey club, just like Italians and Irish were let in, openly seek groups that would want to be considered white. Popular culture is not going to do this for you, you will have to do this yourself, one person and family at a time. Several sub-groups that should be easy for you are Hispanics who consider themselves white (mainly Cubans, Venezuelans, Northern Mexicans), and Asians who are very religious Christians (mainly Koreans, Vietnamese, and Pilipinos). Ignore everybody else. My own tribe is the most Democratic group second only to AA's, yet they seem to get the most prominent positions in Trump admin, hey they call it stupid party for no reason. Seek out anybody who belongs to these groups and tell that it is ok to be white, actually it's pretty cool to be white. Get your children to talk and play with their children.

    Second, aggressively confront liberal whites when they trash talk about Trump or whites in general which often times goes hand in hand. I mainly work with members of the leach class (law, finance, consulting) and its absolutely amazing how much anti-white the white members of this group are, at any off work gathering lately the topic often goes from Tump bad to Whites bad to America bad. At a similar gathering last year, I lost my patience and had to make a point that actually India is the most racist country in the world as had been documented clearly by Guardian and that their caste system was the most successful apartheid like system over millennia, the Indian member of group flipped and said that there was no caste system in India and that it was creation of Brits. To this the liberal white members of my group had dear in eye look as they could not figure of what to say. What it showed me is that a little pushback against this insanity goes along with towards popping this bubble. Once again the popular culture or the Republican Party are not going to do it, you all will have to do it in your daily life's one liberal white at a time.

    I really hope you guys have the willpower to do it, the future of America depends on it. On this forum I read a lot of stuff about splitting the country, that may still happen but the constitutive parts will be collectively hell lot of poorer and weaker. Let's keep it whole and make it work.

    Let’s keep it whole and make it work.

    The sentiment is understandable, but splitting up increasingly seems like the best way to make it work for everyone.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    ... splitting up increasingly seems like the best way to make it work for everyone.
     
    Splitting?

    You mean "Secession"?!?!

    Confused. That's the litmus test for "cuckservatives". Well, one of them , actually.

    Now, again, re that "illegal", khm....you are aware the secession is illegal thing? We know what happened last time it was tried.

    I mean...try to do anything practical about it now and...whoah. Any state Government attempting to even start contemplating it will get into DEEP trouble.
    At the moment, that is. 4-6 years from now, who knows......
  95. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Well stated. At age 38 I made a significant career change and basically started over. Same industry (transportation) but moved from management to driving. The transportation and logistics business in the Chicago area is miserable and cutthroat, and I was fried after 10 years of it. Marriage was suffering. It was not an easy transition, but it was necessary. Accumulated some debt (wife, 2 daughters, mortgage, cat), got fired a couple times, while attempting to gain enough experience and seniority to make it work. 5 years in and I'm finally making good enough money for what I do. (I make more than my MSW holding wife, anyway.)

    Point is I think I understand a little bit of what you're saying about taking risks, without pretending to know anything about your situation. I hope it works out for you in the long run.

    Will you email me at [email protected]? Subject line something like “from Mike” is fine. Thanks very much.

  96. @The Other Andropov
    The spectacle became the reality. Paddy Chayevsky in 'Network' tried to warn us what had happened. We thought the tube was more real than our real lives. We never quite understood, still don't, that we weren't simply watching 'Gilligan's Island'--each time we "tuned in" it was we who were on the island. We weren't watching 'Lost,' we were lost, casting aimlessly for some meaning to fill the void left by the erasure of our culture, of our heritage, the loss of centuries of understanding and received wisdom. All felled by a laughtrack.

    And now our civilizational doom is sealed. All that is left now is achieving isolation from the decaying thing that festers in the ruins.

    Robinson Jeffers saw it all:

    “While this America settles in the mould of its vulgarity,
    heavily thickening to empire, I
    And protest, only a bubble in the molten mass, pops
    and sighs out, and the mass hardens,

    I sadly smiling remember that the flower fades to make
    fruit, the fruit rots to make earth.
    Qut of the mother; and through the spring exultances,
    ripeness and decadence; and home to the mother.

    You making haste haste on decay: not blameworthy; life
    is good, be it stubbornly long or suddenly
    A mortal splendor: meteors are not needed less than
    mountains: shine, perishing republic.

    But for my children. I would have them keep their dis-
    tance from the thickening center; corruption.
    Never has been compulsory, when the cities lie at the
    monster’s feet there are left the mountains.

    And boys, be in nothing so moderate as in love of man,
    a clever servant, insufferable master.
    There is the trap that catches noblest spirits, that caught
    -–they say--God, when he walked on earth.”

    Awesome!

    I put that poem in mosaic above the garage door where I used to live in Blagden Alley, Washington, DC:

    Robinson Jeffers was a great poet. I named an effort to try to stem the epidemic of suicide among white males the “Robinson Jeffers Boxing Club”.

    https://www.craignelsen.com/rjbc/index.php

  97. @216
    Much as I am tempted to agree, I cannot for ignoring the facts in favor of the narrative.

    Our people are badly behaved, and are punished for it. Among those younger than thirty, probably one-fifth of the eligible voters are in support of the President, and that isn't counting the large number of legal/illegal foreigners in this cohort that can't officially vote.

    A major failing in interpreting social media banning policies is to think of them in a male-primary format. They aren't, they are created in a feminine-primary format that is geared to meeting two often conflicting goals: profitability via "engagement" and the nature of female users to claim "harassment".

    Residents of blue cities don't want Alt-Right protests disrupting their daily life. We're taking about normie Dems that don't view European-style hate speech laws as that intrusive. Some manners would have been nice, but some people didn't want to be called cucks.

    Our movements are full of grifters, and to their credit the communists have gleefully pointed that out from the start. Solving the grifter problem is something we have power over.

    Every “movement,” is full of grifters. That your president has a DOJ willing to let guys, who bash his civic nationalist supporters in the head with bike locks, off; that is a testament only to the uniquely ineffectual admin. It has zero to do with the outliers, which the left has more of too.

    Shalom

    • Replies: @216
    No one likes a group of people that gets publicly intoxicated and engages in street brawls. It doesn't help when your leader is no one's idea of a positive role model.

    Leftist groups tend to be more disciplined, thanks to the help of National Lawyers Guild "observers". Our people tend to replicate the failed anarchist tactics of the early 20th century known as "propaganda of the deed".

    Does the Chapo podcast sell snake oil supplements? Lots of our people do. Grifters are causing needless waste of resources, subsidizing their lifestyles while not aiding those doxxed and fired.

    The best thing that our movements can do is to make themselves scarce in public, and only admit trusted members in private to prevent infiltration.

    The DOJ is not going to stick its neck out so Notzees can exercise muh Constitutional rights. Does anyone remember how bad the backlash to the Virginia riots was? When JCS was publicly threatening a coup?
  98. @Audacious Epigone
    Let’s keep it whole and make it work.

    The sentiment is understandable, but splitting up increasingly seems like the best way to make it work for everyone.

    … splitting up increasingly seems like the best way to make it work for everyone.

    Splitting?

    You mean “Secession”?!?!

    Confused. That’s the litmus test for “cuckservatives”. Well, one of them , actually.

    Now, again, re that “illegal”, khm….you are aware the secession is illegal thing? We know what happened last time it was tried.

    I mean…try to do anything practical about it now and…whoah. Any state Government attempting to even start contemplating it will get into DEEP trouble.
    At the moment, that is. 4-6 years from now, who knows……

    • Replies: @216
    Don't use the word "secession"

    Use "partition" "autonomy" "self-determination" "free association".
    , @pdxr13
    Secession will be De Facto only, while we all pledge to support the United States as a idea, right after we get enough to eat and Diesel for the trucks. Regional food/water/shelter for survivors with a little bit of non-essential trade later.
  99. @Issac
    Every "movement," is full of grifters. That your president has a DOJ willing to let guys, who bash his civic nationalist supporters in the head with bike locks, off; that is a testament only to the uniquely ineffectual admin. It has zero to do with the outliers, which the left has more of too.

    Shalom

    No one likes a group of people that gets publicly intoxicated and engages in street brawls. It doesn’t help when your leader is no one’s idea of a positive role model.

    Leftist groups tend to be more disciplined, thanks to the help of National Lawyers Guild “observers”. Our people tend to replicate the failed anarchist tactics of the early 20th century known as “propaganda of the deed”.

    Does the Chapo podcast sell snake oil supplements? Lots of our people do. Grifters are causing needless waste of resources, subsidizing their lifestyles while not aiding those doxxed and fired.

    The best thing that our movements can do is to make themselves scarce in public, and only admit trusted members in private to prevent infiltration.

    The DOJ is not going to stick its neck out so Notzees can exercise muh Constitutional rights. Does anyone remember how bad the backlash to the Virginia riots was? When JCS was publicly threatening a coup?

  100. @peterAUS

    ... splitting up increasingly seems like the best way to make it work for everyone.
     
    Splitting?

    You mean "Secession"?!?!

    Confused. That's the litmus test for "cuckservatives". Well, one of them , actually.

    Now, again, re that "illegal", khm....you are aware the secession is illegal thing? We know what happened last time it was tried.

    I mean...try to do anything practical about it now and...whoah. Any state Government attempting to even start contemplating it will get into DEEP trouble.
    At the moment, that is. 4-6 years from now, who knows......

    Don’t use the word “secession”

    Use “partition” “autonomy” “self-determination” “free association”.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Don’t use the word “secession”

    Use “partition” “autonomy” “self-determination” “free association”.
     
    Agree. When you talk with a friend, in private.
    Won't make any difference if you do it in public. THEY will understand, in instant, what you are onto (or not). If you appear serious in your intent they shall clamp on you, hard.

    And....hehe....that's how you know what really bothers them.

    Now, how to address that is the thing. And, the catch 22, we can't talk about that here.

    My take: doesn't matter, really. It's all about timing. Or, better, when most of that "Middle America" gets into "fuck this" mode. Not before.
    Will that happen, not sure.
    Will that happen too late, not sure either.

    As I like to point out often: a good guy, group, nation CAN lose. Americans aren't any special there. They, those "Middle America" can lose too. And..hehe..some of "we" with them.

    On practical terms the timing will be right (or not) when an average FBI person starts talking, in private, with his mates, about that option. Or field grade officer/senior NCO. Or county politician.
    Something like that.

    As I said, we aren't there, yet.

    One way to find out I guess.
  101. @Talha

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom.
     
    Depends on the parameters. It doesn't really care what people worship or how as long as they don't try to spread it among Muslims or don't blaspheme publicly. So I'm not really sure whether that comes under restricting religion or speech...hmmmm...

    For instance, it was the Brits that forced the end of the practice of sati in India. The Mughals ruled India for centuries, but let it proceed - they were only concerned that the widow was not being forced into carrying it out. If it was voluntary, well - burn, baby, burn...


    Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.
     
    Doh! Well then you are also not for "muh free speech" and "muh freedom of religion". That's OK - everyone falls into the hole called Popper's Paradox when they aren't looking - it's a doozy. Best thing to do is simply sidestep the whole thing.

    Giving Muslims the dhimmi option in America would effectively be trying to suppress or control the growth of Islam. Muslims wouldn't be allowed to preach (which is inconsequential anyway since so many of our converts are now coming through the internet), or allowed to marry Christian/Jewish women (no biggie) and then certain municipalities and districts could openly oppose the building of mosques in their area without running aground of the Constitutional issue. Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place - but all of this is perfectly legal in a democracy given enough popular support. I mean think about it - for a few years, America legally prohibited alcohol for the entire population - pretty incredible. I wonder though if anyone knows, were Catholics given an exemption for the Eucharist ritual which involves wine or did they have to use ginger ale or something?

    Related to the subject:
    "Western governments want to have more influence on Muslim practice with their own borders"
    https://www.economist.com/special-report/2019/02/14/western-governments-want-to-have-more-influence-on-muslim-practice-with-their-own-borders

    Peace.

    ” Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place –”

    Not at all. Listen, the FF were learned, intelligent, thoughtful, and wise. But they could not see the future. There is no way possible they could have ever imagined the United States looking as it does today, just as we cannot possibly imagine the world 200 years from now.

    The 1A has been exploited as part of the larger goal of fundamentally turning the USA from a white Christian country into a 3rd world hellhole. The FF did not write the 1A so that The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster could exist free of government persecution, or so that Amerindians can do peyote, or so that thieving Muslim women can wear full burkas in order to hide their identities from the authorities. Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF’s were concerned. Further, the only “separation of church and state” intended by the FF was to prohibit the existence of “The Church of the United States,” which the British crown used (Church of England) in order to exert some sort of divine authority over the masses. Separation of C and S was never intended to halt prayers recited in public schools or have religious symbols removed from courthouses, or to remove any trace of the existence of religion (specifically Christianity; public universities are woke to the need of Muslim students requiring expansive “prayer rooms” all over their grounds, tax money funds Holocaust museums, etc) from anything remotely associated with a government entity.

    The Pandora’s box that is Muslim immigration into the US has been facilitated by an strategy that FF’s would have never agreed to (they likely would have objected to large groups of Italians and Polocks and Russian Jews immigrating here as well), nurtured by a parasitic welfare state, and further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF’s would have likely risen up in arms against.

    In short, the FF’s never intend the US to occupied by Muslims, and would have never allowed their entry. So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.

    “It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly.”

    I got a good laugh out of this. Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet, so it’s amusing to see one refute the inverse. I’m pretty sure I’ve said this before. Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin. They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically. You seem like an intelligent guy, so you would be quite valuable back wherever it is your ancestry came from. That way, you and I would both be free from the proximity that will only end in the elimination of one of us. If not, well, see you down range.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Pretty much.

    The last paragraph in particular.
    , @Talha

    Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF’s were concerned.
     
    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read, 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

    Now if the current generation thinks that's a bunk deal - that's fine, again it can be changed - there are legal ways to get this done, but we can't retconn what one of the main Founding Fathers explicitly said about their intentions.

    a strategy that FF’s would have never agreed to...further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF’s would have likely risen up in arms against
     
    100% agree - these were likely departure from what they had envisioned. Of course this happened in a vastly different generation than the FF. For instance, the FF didn't see any problems with owning human beings or only letting men vote while the 20th century Americans did. Really what one is seeing is the result of a progression of changing values in American culture. For instance if Europe was strongly Christian, there would be very little Muslim immigration because the old-school Christians would simply say; "What??!! Heathens, around here, among us??!! Deus Vult!!!" Of course, they'd then turn around and burn atheists at the stake, but...priorities.

    So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.
     
    It's not, try to discriminate against even Satanists and see what happens. And things like Article 6 are explicit. Again, all of this is totally changeable - the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited (for instance the abolition of slavery, women voting, as my prior points) to make exclusions to Islam or Hinduism or whatever from the general protections afforded to religions.

    You see, I get you have opinions - which are fine, but can you think of a single judge or constitutional lawyer that agrees with you? Because those guys do the interpretation. However, if the Constitution is amended explicitly to exclude Islam or put up restrictions, then they will have little choice but to comply.

    Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet
     
    Well, not the entire world...
    "The entire earth has been made a place of prayer except for the graveyards and the latrine." - reported in Tirmidhi

    But yes, we do like to worship God - something that many Westerners seem to think is quaint or not in fashion. I do wonder what God's take on this is? Perhaps Westerners should start thinking about praying more? I mean, you know, perhaps it helps to appeal to God in supporting you (or maybe you think you got this) and perhaps He doesn't like being put in the "friend-zone"...

    Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin.
     
    You're still stuck in the Islam-is-an-ethnicity paradigm. This is the land of my wife's origin - she is a white convert. Her sister as well.

    They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically.
     
    As I've said before, I'm a law-abiding citizen - when I get the official federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked, I will get with the wife to make plans, sell the house, etc. If it is clear the majority of my fellow citizens want me out - no problems here, I promise I won't make a fuss.

    If not, well, see you down range.
     
    The beauty of our system is that there is a very sane, legal and civil way to get this all done with enough popular support, but if people insist on coming after our babies, we will respond with extreme prejudice. You will likely win, of course - the only question is how many do you want to lose in the process. Trust me, this kind of talk scares a lot of SJW-type Muslims (which is why they are so eager to please everyone), but putting your head on the ground 5 times a day tends to reinforce Who one fears and who one doesn't. A good friend and I had a conversation along these lines at dinner and I believe he said something like; "well, worst case scenario, they'll just kill all of us" - to which we looked at each other and shrugged:
    "Those to whom men said: 'Verily, the people have gathered against you, so fear them!' But this increased their faith, and they said: 'Allah is sufficient for us and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.'" (3:173)

    Peace.
  102. @216
    Don't use the word "secession"

    Use "partition" "autonomy" "self-determination" "free association".

    Don’t use the word “secession”

    Use “partition” “autonomy” “self-determination” “free association”.

    Agree. When you talk with a friend, in private.
    Won’t make any difference if you do it in public. THEY will understand, in instant, what you are onto (or not). If you appear serious in your intent they shall clamp on you, hard.

    And….hehe….that’s how you know what really bothers them.

    Now, how to address that is the thing. And, the catch 22, we can’t talk about that here.

    My take: doesn’t matter, really. It’s all about timing. Or, better, when most of that “Middle America” gets into “fuck this” mode. Not before.
    Will that happen, not sure.
    Will that happen too late, not sure either.

    As I like to point out often: a good guy, group, nation CAN lose. Americans aren’t any special there. They, those “Middle America” can lose too. And..hehe..some of “we” with them.

    On practical terms the timing will be right (or not) when an average FBI person starts talking, in private, with his mates, about that option. Or field grade officer/senior NCO. Or county politician.
    Something like that.

    As I said, we aren’t there, yet.

    One way to find out I guess.

  103. @MikeatMikedotMike
    " Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place –"

    Not at all. Listen, the FF were learned, intelligent, thoughtful, and wise. But they could not see the future. There is no way possible they could have ever imagined the United States looking as it does today, just as we cannot possibly imagine the world 200 years from now.

    The 1A has been exploited as part of the larger goal of fundamentally turning the USA from a white Christian country into a 3rd world hellhole. The FF did not write the 1A so that The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster could exist free of government persecution, or so that Amerindians can do peyote, or so that thieving Muslim women can wear full burkas in order to hide their identities from the authorities. Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF's were concerned. Further, the only "separation of church and state" intended by the FF was to prohibit the existence of "The Church of the United States," which the British crown used (Church of England) in order to exert some sort of divine authority over the masses. Separation of C and S was never intended to halt prayers recited in public schools or have religious symbols removed from courthouses, or to remove any trace of the existence of religion (specifically Christianity; public universities are woke to the need of Muslim students requiring expansive "prayer rooms" all over their grounds, tax money funds Holocaust museums, etc) from anything remotely associated with a government entity.

    The Pandora's box that is Muslim immigration into the US has been facilitated by an strategy that FF's would have never agreed to (they likely would have objected to large groups of Italians and Polocks and Russian Jews immigrating here as well), nurtured by a parasitic welfare state, and further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF's would have likely risen up in arms against.

    In short, the FF's never intend the US to occupied by Muslims, and would have never allowed their entry. So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.

    "It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly."

    I got a good laugh out of this. Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet, so it's amusing to see one refute the inverse. I'm pretty sure I've said this before. Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin. They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically. You seem like an intelligent guy, so you would be quite valuable back wherever it is your ancestry came from. That way, you and I would both be free from the proximity that will only end in the elimination of one of us. If not, well, see you down range.

    Pretty much.

    The last paragraph in particular.

  104. @MikeatMikedotMike
    " Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place –"

    Not at all. Listen, the FF were learned, intelligent, thoughtful, and wise. But they could not see the future. There is no way possible they could have ever imagined the United States looking as it does today, just as we cannot possibly imagine the world 200 years from now.

    The 1A has been exploited as part of the larger goal of fundamentally turning the USA from a white Christian country into a 3rd world hellhole. The FF did not write the 1A so that The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster could exist free of government persecution, or so that Amerindians can do peyote, or so that thieving Muslim women can wear full burkas in order to hide their identities from the authorities. Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF's were concerned. Further, the only "separation of church and state" intended by the FF was to prohibit the existence of "The Church of the United States," which the British crown used (Church of England) in order to exert some sort of divine authority over the masses. Separation of C and S was never intended to halt prayers recited in public schools or have religious symbols removed from courthouses, or to remove any trace of the existence of religion (specifically Christianity; public universities are woke to the need of Muslim students requiring expansive "prayer rooms" all over their grounds, tax money funds Holocaust museums, etc) from anything remotely associated with a government entity.

    The Pandora's box that is Muslim immigration into the US has been facilitated by an strategy that FF's would have never agreed to (they likely would have objected to large groups of Italians and Polocks and Russian Jews immigrating here as well), nurtured by a parasitic welfare state, and further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF's would have likely risen up in arms against.

    In short, the FF's never intend the US to occupied by Muslims, and would have never allowed their entry. So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.

    "It doesn’t really care what people worship or how as long as they don’t try to spread it among Muslims or don’t blaspheme publicly."

    I got a good laugh out of this. Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet, so it's amusing to see one refute the inverse. I'm pretty sure I've said this before. Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin. They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically. You seem like an intelligent guy, so you would be quite valuable back wherever it is your ancestry came from. That way, you and I would both be free from the proximity that will only end in the elimination of one of us. If not, well, see you down range.

    Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF’s were concerned.

    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

    Now if the current generation thinks that’s a bunk deal – that’s fine, again it can be changed – there are legal ways to get this done, but we can’t retconn what one of the main Founding Fathers explicitly said about their intentions.

    a strategy that FF’s would have never agreed to…further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF’s would have likely risen up in arms against

    100% agree – these were likely departure from what they had envisioned. Of course this happened in a vastly different generation than the FF. For instance, the FF didn’t see any problems with owning human beings or only letting men vote while the 20th century Americans did. Really what one is seeing is the result of a progression of changing values in American culture. For instance if Europe was strongly Christian, there would be very little Muslim immigration because the old-school Christians would simply say; “What??!! Heathens, around here, among us??!! Deus Vult!!!” Of course, they’d then turn around and burn atheists at the stake, but…priorities.

    So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.

    It’s not, try to discriminate against even Satanists and see what happens. And things like Article 6 are explicit. Again, all of this is totally changeable – the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited (for instance the abolition of slavery, women voting, as my prior points) to make exclusions to Islam or Hinduism or whatever from the general protections afforded to religions.

    You see, I get you have opinions – which are fine, but can you think of a single judge or constitutional lawyer that agrees with you? Because those guys do the interpretation. However, if the Constitution is amended explicitly to exclude Islam or put up restrictions, then they will have little choice but to comply.

    Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet

    Well, not the entire world…
    “The entire earth has been made a place of prayer except for the graveyards and the latrine.” – reported in Tirmidhi

    But yes, we do like to worship God – something that many Westerners seem to think is quaint or not in fashion. I do wonder what God’s take on this is? Perhaps Westerners should start thinking about praying more? I mean, you know, perhaps it helps to appeal to God in supporting you (or maybe you think you got this) and perhaps He doesn’t like being put in the “friend-zone”…

    Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin.

    You’re still stuck in the Islam-is-an-ethnicity paradigm. This is the land of my wife’s origin – she is a white convert. Her sister as well.

    They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically.

    As I’ve said before, I’m a law-abiding citizen – when I get the official federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked, I will get with the wife to make plans, sell the house, etc. If it is clear the majority of my fellow citizens want me out – no problems here, I promise I won’t make a fuss.

    If not, well, see you down range.

    The beauty of our system is that there is a very sane, legal and civil way to get this all done with enough popular support, but if people insist on coming after our babies, we will respond with extreme prejudice. You will likely win, of course – the only question is how many do you want to lose in the process. Trust me, this kind of talk scares a lot of SJW-type Muslims (which is why they are so eager to please everyone), but putting your head on the ground 5 times a day tends to reinforce Who one fears and who one doesn’t. A good friend and I had a conversation along these lines at dinner and I believe he said something like; “well, worst case scenario, they’ll just kill all of us” – to which we looked at each other and shrugged:
    “Those to whom men said: ‘Verily, the people have gathered against you, so fear them!’ But this increased their faith, and they said: ‘Allah is sufficient for us and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.’” (3:173)

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited


    No it's not, except by activist Supreme Court Justices.
    , @Rosie

    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”

     

    The exclusion of the words "Jesus Christ" does not prove what Jefferson claims here. Rather, it was in consideration of various Deists and Unitarians, who were not Christian, but still within recognizably Western religious bounds.

    Now if the current generation thinks that’s a bunk deal – that’s fine, again it can be changed – there are legal ways to get this done
     
    To be fair, you're kind of ignoring the fact that public opinion is itself shaped by TPTB who do not allow free speech.

    All that said, I'm not interested in singling out Muslims in particular.
    , @Craig Nelsen

    by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority
     
    Go to any Protestant church service this coming Sunday and you will hear God invoked sometimes and other times Jesus Christ. To the Christian ear, each sounds appropriate to the context and would be jarring if the two were swapped. The bit in the preamble you cite is such a case. God is appropria6te there, not JC
  105. @Talha

    Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF’s were concerned.
     
    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read, 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

    Now if the current generation thinks that's a bunk deal - that's fine, again it can be changed - there are legal ways to get this done, but we can't retconn what one of the main Founding Fathers explicitly said about their intentions.

    a strategy that FF’s would have never agreed to...further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF’s would have likely risen up in arms against
     
    100% agree - these were likely departure from what they had envisioned. Of course this happened in a vastly different generation than the FF. For instance, the FF didn't see any problems with owning human beings or only letting men vote while the 20th century Americans did. Really what one is seeing is the result of a progression of changing values in American culture. For instance if Europe was strongly Christian, there would be very little Muslim immigration because the old-school Christians would simply say; "What??!! Heathens, around here, among us??!! Deus Vult!!!" Of course, they'd then turn around and burn atheists at the stake, but...priorities.

    So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.
     
    It's not, try to discriminate against even Satanists and see what happens. And things like Article 6 are explicit. Again, all of this is totally changeable - the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited (for instance the abolition of slavery, women voting, as my prior points) to make exclusions to Islam or Hinduism or whatever from the general protections afforded to religions.

    You see, I get you have opinions - which are fine, but can you think of a single judge or constitutional lawyer that agrees with you? Because those guys do the interpretation. However, if the Constitution is amended explicitly to exclude Islam or put up restrictions, then they will have little choice but to comply.

    Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet
     
    Well, not the entire world...
    "The entire earth has been made a place of prayer except for the graveyards and the latrine." - reported in Tirmidhi

    But yes, we do like to worship God - something that many Westerners seem to think is quaint or not in fashion. I do wonder what God's take on this is? Perhaps Westerners should start thinking about praying more? I mean, you know, perhaps it helps to appeal to God in supporting you (or maybe you think you got this) and perhaps He doesn't like being put in the "friend-zone"...

    Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin.
     
    You're still stuck in the Islam-is-an-ethnicity paradigm. This is the land of my wife's origin - she is a white convert. Her sister as well.

    They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically.
     
    As I've said before, I'm a law-abiding citizen - when I get the official federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked, I will get with the wife to make plans, sell the house, etc. If it is clear the majority of my fellow citizens want me out - no problems here, I promise I won't make a fuss.

    If not, well, see you down range.
     
    The beauty of our system is that there is a very sane, legal and civil way to get this all done with enough popular support, but if people insist on coming after our babies, we will respond with extreme prejudice. You will likely win, of course - the only question is how many do you want to lose in the process. Trust me, this kind of talk scares a lot of SJW-type Muslims (which is why they are so eager to please everyone), but putting your head on the ground 5 times a day tends to reinforce Who one fears and who one doesn't. A good friend and I had a conversation along these lines at dinner and I believe he said something like; "well, worst case scenario, they'll just kill all of us" - to which we looked at each other and shrugged:
    "Those to whom men said: 'Verily, the people have gathered against you, so fear them!' But this increased their faith, and they said: 'Allah is sufficient for us and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.'" (3:173)

    Peace.

    the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited

    No it’s not, except by activist Supreme Court Justices.

    • Replies: @Talha
    OK - good catch - that was stupid and bad word choice on my part. It can be amended, but it is not "easy" to do. It requires super-majorities and for good reason; amending a constitution should NOT be a frivolous thing. But these things can be accomplished legally and transparently and orderly if there is enough popular support.

    As for activist judges - yeah, I hear you.

    Peace.
  106. @Talha

    I have decided that I’m going to worry about my free speech and not yours.
     
    There you go - kick that old man Voltaire in the teeth! Take that Frenchie! (Don't know if this counts as an ethnic slur - I was going to use Froggy, but thought better of it...)

    Proselytizing is a core feature of my religion
     
    Now, don't get me wrong - Islam doesn't have restrictions against proselytizing to other groups within its territory, just not to Muslims.

    peace.

    Now, don’t get me wrong – Islam doesn’t have restrictions against proselytizing to other groups within its territory, just not to Muslims.

    You actually don’t realize how frigging ridiculous this statement is.

    • Replies: @Talha
    To you maybe - historically, groups like Nestorians (freed from Byzantine imperial rule) made plenty use of this to convert Buddhists. There is only one school that I can think of that tries to restrict this; the Shafi'i school - they say people can only change their religion to Islam and not from one to another. Thank God the other schools and most Muslims don't adhere to this.

    Like I said, I'm fine with other nations stopping Muslims proselytizing in their jurisdictions - I would be hypocritical to state otherwise. However, just do it legally and don't virtue signal that you are secular any longer - I think that's fair.

    You know, speaking of constitutions, Greece prohibits proselytizing in its constitution and it officially stands up a specific religion as the religion of the state (why can't the US do this for Christianity as the official state religion - then they can make all sorts of creative restrictions on others - plus clamp down on pride parades and blasphemous art exhibits and stuff):
    "The constitution states freedom of religious conscience is inviolable and provides for freedom of worship with some restrictions. The constitution recognizes Greek Orthodoxy as the 'prevailing religion.'...The government granted some privileges to the Greek Orthodox Church not granted to other religious groups and maintained some restrictions affecting members of non-Greek Orthodox religious groups...The constitution prohibits proselytizing, and no rite of worship may 'disturb public order or offend moral principles.' The constitution allows prosecutors to seize publications that offend Christianity and other 'known religions.' The law prohibits offenses against 'religious peace,' including blasphemy and religious insult, which are punishable by prison sentences of up to
    two years."
    https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/256407.pdf

    I mean, wasn't a lot of this stuff inherited from the Greeks? Maybe time to revisit the old drawing board.

    Because this stuff is going on:
    "A statue from The Satanic Temple-Chicago is now featured in the Illinois Capitol rotunda for the holiday season."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/12/06/satanic-statue-display-illinois-capitol-rotunda-holidays/2223852002/

    Peace.

  107. @iffen
    the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited


    No it's not, except by activist Supreme Court Justices.

    OK – good catch – that was stupid and bad word choice on my part. It can be amended, but it is not “easy” to do. It requires super-majorities and for good reason; amending a constitution should NOT be a frivolous thing. But these things can be accomplished legally and transparently and orderly if there is enough popular support.

    As for activist judges – yeah, I hear you.

    Peace.

  108. @iffen
    Now, don’t get me wrong – Islam doesn’t have restrictions against proselytizing to other groups within its territory, just not to Muslims.

    You actually don't realize how frigging ridiculous this statement is.

    To you maybe – historically, groups like Nestorians (freed from Byzantine imperial rule) made plenty use of this to convert Buddhists. There is only one school that I can think of that tries to restrict this; the Shafi’i school – they say people can only change their religion to Islam and not from one to another. Thank God the other schools and most Muslims don’t adhere to this.

    Like I said, I’m fine with other nations stopping Muslims proselytizing in their jurisdictions – I would be hypocritical to state otherwise. However, just do it legally and don’t virtue signal that you are secular any longer – I think that’s fair.

    You know, speaking of constitutions, Greece prohibits proselytizing in its constitution and it officially stands up a specific religion as the religion of the state (why can’t the US do this for Christianity as the official state religion – then they can make all sorts of creative restrictions on others – plus clamp down on pride parades and blasphemous art exhibits and stuff):
    “The constitution states freedom of religious conscience is inviolable and provides for freedom of worship with some restrictions. The constitution recognizes Greek Orthodoxy as the ‘prevailing religion.’…The government granted some privileges to the Greek Orthodox Church not granted to other religious groups and maintained some restrictions affecting members of non-Greek Orthodox religious groups…The constitution prohibits proselytizing, and no rite of worship may ‘disturb public order or offend moral principles.’ The constitution allows prosecutors to seize publications that offend Christianity and other ‘known religions.’ The law prohibits offenses against ‘religious peace,’ including blasphemy and religious insult, which are punishable by prison sentences of up to
    two years.”
    https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/256407.pdf

    I mean, wasn’t a lot of this stuff inherited from the Greeks? Maybe time to revisit the old drawing board.

    Because this stuff is going on:
    “A statue from The Satanic Temple-Chicago is now featured in the Illinois Capitol rotunda for the holiday season.”
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/12/06/satanic-statue-display-illinois-capitol-rotunda-holidays/2223852002/

    Peace.

  109. @Talha

    Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF’s were concerned.
     
    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read, 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

    Now if the current generation thinks that's a bunk deal - that's fine, again it can be changed - there are legal ways to get this done, but we can't retconn what one of the main Founding Fathers explicitly said about their intentions.

    a strategy that FF’s would have never agreed to...further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF’s would have likely risen up in arms against
     
    100% agree - these were likely departure from what they had envisioned. Of course this happened in a vastly different generation than the FF. For instance, the FF didn't see any problems with owning human beings or only letting men vote while the 20th century Americans did. Really what one is seeing is the result of a progression of changing values in American culture. For instance if Europe was strongly Christian, there would be very little Muslim immigration because the old-school Christians would simply say; "What??!! Heathens, around here, among us??!! Deus Vult!!!" Of course, they'd then turn around and burn atheists at the stake, but...priorities.

    So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.
     
    It's not, try to discriminate against even Satanists and see what happens. And things like Article 6 are explicit. Again, all of this is totally changeable - the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited (for instance the abolition of slavery, women voting, as my prior points) to make exclusions to Islam or Hinduism or whatever from the general protections afforded to religions.

    You see, I get you have opinions - which are fine, but can you think of a single judge or constitutional lawyer that agrees with you? Because those guys do the interpretation. However, if the Constitution is amended explicitly to exclude Islam or put up restrictions, then they will have little choice but to comply.

    Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet
     
    Well, not the entire world...
    "The entire earth has been made a place of prayer except for the graveyards and the latrine." - reported in Tirmidhi

    But yes, we do like to worship God - something that many Westerners seem to think is quaint or not in fashion. I do wonder what God's take on this is? Perhaps Westerners should start thinking about praying more? I mean, you know, perhaps it helps to appeal to God in supporting you (or maybe you think you got this) and perhaps He doesn't like being put in the "friend-zone"...

    Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin.
     
    You're still stuck in the Islam-is-an-ethnicity paradigm. This is the land of my wife's origin - she is a white convert. Her sister as well.

    They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically.
     
    As I've said before, I'm a law-abiding citizen - when I get the official federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked, I will get with the wife to make plans, sell the house, etc. If it is clear the majority of my fellow citizens want me out - no problems here, I promise I won't make a fuss.

    If not, well, see you down range.
     
    The beauty of our system is that there is a very sane, legal and civil way to get this all done with enough popular support, but if people insist on coming after our babies, we will respond with extreme prejudice. You will likely win, of course - the only question is how many do you want to lose in the process. Trust me, this kind of talk scares a lot of SJW-type Muslims (which is why they are so eager to please everyone), but putting your head on the ground 5 times a day tends to reinforce Who one fears and who one doesn't. A good friend and I had a conversation along these lines at dinner and I believe he said something like; "well, worst case scenario, they'll just kill all of us" - to which we looked at each other and shrugged:
    "Those to whom men said: 'Verily, the people have gathered against you, so fear them!' But this increased their faith, and they said: 'Allah is sufficient for us and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.'" (3:173)

    Peace.

    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”

    The exclusion of the words “Jesus Christ” does not prove what Jefferson claims here. Rather, it was in consideration of various Deists and Unitarians, who were not Christian, but still within recognizably Western religious bounds.

    Now if the current generation thinks that’s a bunk deal – that’s fine, again it can be changed – there are legal ways to get this done

    To be fair, you’re kind of ignoring the fact that public opinion is itself shaped by TPTB who do not allow free speech.

    All that said, I’m not interested in singling out Muslims in particular.

    • Replies: @Talha

    The exclusion of the words “Jesus Christ” does not prove what Jefferson claims here.
     
    Your claim against his, Rosie. Who should we give more weight to? This is Jefferson’s own words and we are talking about one of the main architects of the enterprise, not this guy:
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/all-in-the-family-tv-show/images/d/d9/George_Weezie_AITF.jpg

    TPTB who do not allow free speech.
     
    So there won’t be a change from the current status in principle, just details.

    I’m not interested in singling out Muslims in particular.
     
    That’s fine, I was simply outlining potential options. The same mechanisms can be used to exclude full enfranchisement from Jews or Hindus or anybody else (if one wants to define things ethnically instead of by religion) with enough support. I’m talking about systemic issues, not necessarily particulars.

    Peace.
  110. @Rosie

    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”

     

    The exclusion of the words "Jesus Christ" does not prove what Jefferson claims here. Rather, it was in consideration of various Deists and Unitarians, who were not Christian, but still within recognizably Western religious bounds.

    Now if the current generation thinks that’s a bunk deal – that’s fine, again it can be changed – there are legal ways to get this done
     
    To be fair, you're kind of ignoring the fact that public opinion is itself shaped by TPTB who do not allow free speech.

    All that said, I'm not interested in singling out Muslims in particular.

    The exclusion of the words “Jesus Christ” does not prove what Jefferson claims here.

    Your claim against his, Rosie. Who should we give more weight to? This is Jefferson’s own words and we are talking about one of the main architects of the enterprise, not this guy:

    TPTB who do not allow free speech.

    So there won’t be a change from the current status in principle, just details.

    I’m not interested in singling out Muslims in particular.

    That’s fine, I was simply outlining potential options. The same mechanisms can be used to exclude full enfranchisement from Jews or Hindus or anybody else (if one wants to define things ethnically instead of by religion) with enough support. I’m talking about systemic issues, not necessarily particulars.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Your claim against his, Rosie. Who should we give more weight to?
     
    Whichever one of us has the better of the argument. I don't claim to know for certain what the founders (taken as a whole) meant by the term "religion," but Jefferson's dictum is not in the Constitution, and is therefore neither conclusive nor binding, though it is certainly relevant. Of course, this is all moot, because nobody cares about original intent anymore.
  111. @Talha

    The exclusion of the words “Jesus Christ” does not prove what Jefferson claims here.
     
    Your claim against his, Rosie. Who should we give more weight to? This is Jefferson’s own words and we are talking about one of the main architects of the enterprise, not this guy:
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/all-in-the-family-tv-show/images/d/d9/George_Weezie_AITF.jpg

    TPTB who do not allow free speech.
     
    So there won’t be a change from the current status in principle, just details.

    I’m not interested in singling out Muslims in particular.
     
    That’s fine, I was simply outlining potential options. The same mechanisms can be used to exclude full enfranchisement from Jews or Hindus or anybody else (if one wants to define things ethnically instead of by religion) with enough support. I’m talking about systemic issues, not necessarily particulars.

    Peace.

    Your claim against his, Rosie. Who should we give more weight to?

    Whichever one of us has the better of the argument. I don’t claim to know for certain what the founders (taken as a whole) meant by the term “religion,” but Jefferson’s dictum is not in the Constitution, and is therefore neither conclusive nor binding, though it is certainly relevant. Of course, this is all moot, because nobody cares about original intent anymore.

    • Replies: @Talha
    I was interested in this very topic years ago and there were also other Founding Fathers that wrote or made similar statements:
    “Benjamin Rush, the Pennsylvania signer of the Declaration of Independence and friend of Adams and Jefferson, applauded this feature of Islam, asserting that he had ‘rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammed inculcated upon our youth than see them grow up wholly devoid of a system of religious principles.’”
    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    Among the attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, (by the North Carolinans in their conference to ratify the proposed Constitution) that if religious tests were not in play, then “pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans”.

    Counter points were made:
    “But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? ”

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    "It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen.

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    “No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion.”

    Spaight and Davie are recorded as saying "yea":
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html
    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    It is fascinating, but fairly clear from the evidence that these same points were not only raised, but publicly debated. I'm all for people disagreeing with this or wanting to completely change it, but I think we should simply respect the historical record.


    Of course, this is all moot, because nobody cares about original intent anymore.
     
    Likely, which is why I was mentioning that, if the current generation thinks they were stuck with a bum deal - the FF definitely left methods to be able to change it. Now whether that was a smart move or not, I'll let others decide.

    Peace.

  112. @Rosie

    Your claim against his, Rosie. Who should we give more weight to?
     
    Whichever one of us has the better of the argument. I don't claim to know for certain what the founders (taken as a whole) meant by the term "religion," but Jefferson's dictum is not in the Constitution, and is therefore neither conclusive nor binding, though it is certainly relevant. Of course, this is all moot, because nobody cares about original intent anymore.

    I was interested in this very topic years ago and there were also other Founding Fathers that wrote or made similar statements:
    “Benjamin Rush, the Pennsylvania signer of the Declaration of Independence and friend of Adams and Jefferson, applauded this feature of Islam, asserting that he had ‘rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammed inculcated upon our youth than see them grow up wholly devoid of a system of religious principles.’”
    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    Among the attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, (by the North Carolinans in their conference to ratify the proposed Constitution) that if religious tests were not in play, then “pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans”.

    Counter points were made:
    “But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? ”

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    “It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen.

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    “No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion.”

    Spaight and Davie are recorded as saying “yea”:
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html
    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    It is fascinating, but fairly clear from the evidence that these same points were not only raised, but publicly debated. I’m all for people disagreeing with this or wanting to completely change it, but I think we should simply respect the historical record.

    Of course, this is all moot, because nobody cares about original intent anymore.

    Likely, which is why I was mentioning that, if the current generation thinks they were stuck with a bum deal – the FF definitely left methods to be able to change it. Now whether that was a smart move or not, I’ll let others decide.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    All very interesting.

    Score 1 for Rosie against the blame-women crowd. Naive hyperindividualism considerably predates women's suffrage doesn't it?
  113. @Talha

    Islam is incompatible with muh religious freedom.
     
    Depends on the parameters. It doesn't really care what people worship or how as long as they don't try to spread it among Muslims or don't blaspheme publicly. So I'm not really sure whether that comes under restricting religion or speech...hmmmm...

    For instance, it was the Brits that forced the end of the practice of sati in India. The Mughals ruled India for centuries, but let it proceed - they were only concerned that the widow was not being forced into carrying it out. If it was voluntary, well - burn, baby, burn...


    Both need to be suppressed in my Murica.
     
    Doh! Well then you are also not for "muh free speech" and "muh freedom of religion". That's OK - everyone falls into the hole called Popper's Paradox when they aren't looking - it's a doozy. Best thing to do is simply sidestep the whole thing.

    Giving Muslims the dhimmi option in America would effectively be trying to suppress or control the growth of Islam. Muslims wouldn't be allowed to preach (which is inconsequential anyway since so many of our converts are now coming through the internet), or allowed to marry Christian/Jewish women (no biggie) and then certain municipalities and districts could openly oppose the building of mosques in their area without running aground of the Constitutional issue. Of course, the Constitution needs to be amended for this kind of thing to take place - but all of this is perfectly legal in a democracy given enough popular support. I mean think about it - for a few years, America legally prohibited alcohol for the entire population - pretty incredible. I wonder though if anyone knows, were Catholics given an exemption for the Eucharist ritual which involves wine or did they have to use ginger ale or something?

    Related to the subject:
    "Western governments want to have more influence on Muslim practice with their own borders"
    https://www.economist.com/special-report/2019/02/14/western-governments-want-to-have-more-influence-on-muslim-practice-with-their-own-borders

    Peace.

    Are you trying to tell me that widows in Mughal-ruled India would voluntarily step into a fire? I have a hard time believing that.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Actually yeah. Religion makes people do weird stuff man. Some Mughal rulers would personally try to talk them out of it - some rulers demanded that all requests to perform sati were to be routed through them so they could convince her otherwise, but if the widow insisted, she was free to perform her last duties as a Hindu widow:
    "But the Muslim states that ruled parts or most of India since the thirteenth century had never prohibited sati. Although I have not found any Muslim scholar discussing the legal question of sati, we know from the famous Moroccan alim and traveler Ibn Battuta, who spent years in Delhi in the 1330’s, that the Delhi sultan Muhammad ibn Tughluq (d. 1351) allowed widows to perform sati if they first sought permission from the Muslim governor. Ibn Battuta himself witnessed three instances of sati, describing how the widows were active participants in extended and elaborate ceremonies. Although he notes that Hindu widows lived “wretched lives” and faced social reprimand if they did not perform sati, he confirms that it was not required.15

    We have much more information about the policy of the Muslim Mughal Empire, which ruled northern India from around 1526 to (officially) 1857. From the time of Akbar the Great (r. 1556-1605) through the emperor Aurangzeb (r. 1658-1707), we know from both travelers in India and from Mughal historians that sati was allowed with certain restrictions."
    http://drjonathanbrown.com/2016/incest-widow-burning-how-much-can-muslims-stomach/

    "The title and subtitle of this letter indicate that as a scientist, Bernier was highly critical of Hindu religious practices, including sati. He claimed to have witnessed several instances of sati and to have persuaded one Hindu widow to refrain from self-immolation in order to ensure that her sons would receive a pension from the Mughal governor of Delhi."
    http://chnm.gmu.edu/wwh/p/97.html

    Peace.
  114. @Achmed E. Newman
    Are you trying to tell me that widows in Mughal-ruled India would voluntarily step into a fire? I have a hard time believing that.

    Actually yeah. Religion makes people do weird stuff man. Some Mughal rulers would personally try to talk them out of it – some rulers demanded that all requests to perform sati were to be routed through them so they could convince her otherwise, but if the widow insisted, she was free to perform her last duties as a Hindu widow:
    “But the Muslim states that ruled parts or most of India since the thirteenth century had never prohibited sati. Although I have not found any Muslim scholar discussing the legal question of sati, we know from the famous Moroccan alim and traveler Ibn Battuta, who spent years in Delhi in the 1330’s, that the Delhi sultan Muhammad ibn Tughluq (d. 1351) allowed widows to perform sati if they first sought permission from the Muslim governor. Ibn Battuta himself witnessed three instances of sati, describing how the widows were active participants in extended and elaborate ceremonies. Although he notes that Hindu widows lived “wretched lives” and faced social reprimand if they did not perform sati, he confirms that it was not required.15

    We have much more information about the policy of the Muslim Mughal Empire, which ruled northern India from around 1526 to (officially) 1857. From the time of Akbar the Great (r. 1556-1605) through the emperor Aurangzeb (r. 1658-1707), we know from both travelers in India and from Mughal historians that sati was allowed with certain restrictions.”
    http://drjonathanbrown.com/2016/incest-widow-burning-how-much-can-muslims-stomach/

    “The title and subtitle of this letter indicate that as a scientist, Bernier was highly critical of Hindu religious practices, including sati. He claimed to have witnessed several instances of sati and to have persuaded one Hindu widow to refrain from self-immolation in order to ensure that her sons would receive a pension from the Mughal governor of Delhi.”
    http://chnm.gmu.edu/wwh/p/97.html

    Peace.

  115. @Talha

    Freedom of religion was an intra-Christian concept as far as the FF’s were concerned.
     
    Not sure about this; Jefferson was pretty explicit:
    "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read, 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html

    Now if the current generation thinks that's a bunk deal - that's fine, again it can be changed - there are legal ways to get this done, but we can't retconn what one of the main Founding Fathers explicitly said about their intentions.

    a strategy that FF’s would have never agreed to...further enabled by the outlawing of freedom of association in the mid 20th century, that the FF’s would have likely risen up in arms against
     
    100% agree - these were likely departure from what they had envisioned. Of course this happened in a vastly different generation than the FF. For instance, the FF didn't see any problems with owning human beings or only letting men vote while the 20th century Americans did. Really what one is seeing is the result of a progression of changing values in American culture. For instance if Europe was strongly Christian, there would be very little Muslim immigration because the old-school Christians would simply say; "What??!! Heathens, around here, among us??!! Deus Vult!!!" Of course, they'd then turn around and burn atheists at the stake, but...priorities.

    So citing the protection of the 1a is moot.
     
    It's not, try to discriminate against even Satanists and see what happens. And things like Article 6 are explicit. Again, all of this is totally changeable - the US Constitution can easily be amended or edited (for instance the abolition of slavery, women voting, as my prior points) to make exclusions to Islam or Hinduism or whatever from the general protections afforded to religions.

    You see, I get you have opinions - which are fine, but can you think of a single judge or constitutional lawyer that agrees with you? Because those guys do the interpretation. However, if the Constitution is amended explicitly to exclude Islam or put up restrictions, then they will have little choice but to comply.

    Muslims want nothing more than to turn the entire world into their prayer carpet
     
    Well, not the entire world...
    "The entire earth has been made a place of prayer except for the graveyards and the latrine." - reported in Tirmidhi

    But yes, we do like to worship God - something that many Westerners seem to think is quaint or not in fashion. I do wonder what God's take on this is? Perhaps Westerners should start thinking about praying more? I mean, you know, perhaps it helps to appeal to God in supporting you (or maybe you think you got this) and perhaps He doesn't like being put in the "friend-zone"...

    Muslims can do whatever they want, back in the lands of their origin.
     
    You're still stuck in the Islam-is-an-ethnicity paradigm. This is the land of my wife's origin - she is a white convert. Her sister as well.

    They have no place, no commonality, no compatibility with the West in general but the US specifically.
     
    As I've said before, I'm a law-abiding citizen - when I get the official federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked, I will get with the wife to make plans, sell the house, etc. If it is clear the majority of my fellow citizens want me out - no problems here, I promise I won't make a fuss.

    If not, well, see you down range.
     
    The beauty of our system is that there is a very sane, legal and civil way to get this all done with enough popular support, but if people insist on coming after our babies, we will respond with extreme prejudice. You will likely win, of course - the only question is how many do you want to lose in the process. Trust me, this kind of talk scares a lot of SJW-type Muslims (which is why they are so eager to please everyone), but putting your head on the ground 5 times a day tends to reinforce Who one fears and who one doesn't. A good friend and I had a conversation along these lines at dinner and I believe he said something like; "well, worst case scenario, they'll just kill all of us" - to which we looked at each other and shrugged:
    "Those to whom men said: 'Verily, the people have gathered against you, so fear them!' But this increased their faith, and they said: 'Allah is sufficient for us and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.'" (3:173)

    Peace.

    by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority

    Go to any Protestant church service this coming Sunday and you will hear God invoked sometimes and other times Jesus Christ. To the Christian ear, each sounds appropriate to the context and would be jarring if the two were swapped. The bit in the preamble you cite is such a case. God is appropria6te there, not JC

    • Replies: @Talha

    The bit in the preamble you cite is such a case.
     
    Again, not my citation. I cited Thomas Jefferson's autobiography - he is the one making the citation and commentary. This is an important distinction.

    Peace.
  116. @Craig Nelsen

    by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read, ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority
     
    Go to any Protestant church service this coming Sunday and you will hear God invoked sometimes and other times Jesus Christ. To the Christian ear, each sounds appropriate to the context and would be jarring if the two were swapped. The bit in the preamble you cite is such a case. God is appropria6te there, not JC

    The bit in the preamble you cite is such a case.

    Again, not my citation. I cited Thomas Jefferson’s autobiography – he is the one making the citation and commentary. This is an important distinction.

    Peace.

  117. @scrivener3
    "For USA common people, the terrors are the USA’s brutally oppressive legal and judicial system, the prospect of decades-long jailing in a country with 25% of all the world’s prisoners … or instant bankruptcy, loss of livelihood and asset confiscations, in a USA with poor citizen social safety nets, and where police and courts confiscate more tens of billions than the entire booty stolen by thieves in the entire nation"

    You do not do the terrorism justice. American prisons are homosexual torture dungeons. Video cameras are now a few dollars and can network back to servers that keep everything indefinitely, There could be a camera in every cell and every prison area and any prisoner assault of another prisoner could be documented and punished. Yet this is not done. I believe the people in the criminal justice system want the prisons to be as horrific as possible to increase their power. How many men in prison are raped? It could be near zero.

    Violent rape in prison, where white males are wildly disproportionate in the victim count, is well-known to everyone most emphatically including the authorities, and constitutes as obvious a case of ‘cruel and inhuman punishment’ as may be imagined. Yet, probably due to the fact that it largely targets white males, and deplorables at that, none of our nation’s vaunted constitutional-law scholars has ever thought to make a case of it.

  118. Priss Factor [AKA "Asagirian"] says: • Website

    No one is going to stand up for Middle America. Either Middle America stands up for itself, or it’s finished.

    Problem is Middle America is exactly what it is: Middle America. The Middle doesn’t decide policy. The Top does. Top America has the power and apparatus to rule. It’s like the mind controls the body. The middle body, or torso, doesn’t control the mind. Sure, if the torso is in pain, it sends signals to the mind to do something about it. When Top America was white, the brain centers had nerve connections to Middle America, the midsection of America.
    But Top America is now Jewish, and its nerve connections are with fellow Jews around the world and in Israel. Jewish brain centers sense little of the pain felt by Middle White America. When Middle(and Lower) White America sends signals to the Top about its pains and problems, the Top America says, “Here, take these pain-killing opioids and just die off to increase profits for Big Pharma. Die sooner than later because your ilk need to be replaced by non-whites who collaborate with Jewish Elites who let them in.”

    Even in the Top or Upper America, most people only wield or serve power. They don’t get to decide or shape the direction of power. Military generals, even at uppermost ranks, don’t choose which wars to fight or which nations to destroy. They are just in it for status and prestige. They do as told by people above them. The President is supposed to be Commander-in-Chief, but, based on a honest assessment of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and even Donald Trump, it’s obvious that the president is hemmed in by all sides by a greater power of Deep State networking dominated by the ethno-monopoly of Jewish Power. Congress is a parliament of whores that serves its donors than represents the people who elected its members. Jewish donations to Dems is 50 to 60%. Jewish donations to GOP is 25%. That ought to tell us who owns Congress. As Jews also control the media, they can use disinformation and propaganda to attack and smear politicians they don’t like. Needless to say, all politicians are deathly afraid of AIPAC and big media. Also, as Jews and their cuck-puppets control top law firms and the courts, they can choose whom to go after. As every businessman, ‘leader’, or politician is corrupt and has skeletons in his closet, anyone can be brought down by Jewish Power, especially with its vast apparatus of collecting dirt on anyone for blackmail or prosecution. Notice how the Power went after Blagojevich but protected Obama, just another corrupt puppy. Jews are angry with Trump because his success owed much to Jewish protection in NY. Dig into Trump’s past, and his dirt is inseparable from all the Jewish dirt in NY. Trump sure didn’t work with David Duke or KKK to fleece so many people and pull all sorts of dirty tricks. Even the ‘Russians’ he had relations with in the past were Jews. So, when he spoke of America First and ran on Populism, Jewish rage knew no bounds and was determined to Truman-Show him from all sides: Keep him stuck in the Deep State Bubble. Trump-Show is Truman Show as real-reality-TV.

    Furthermore, Jews control media and academia; therefore, most elites in Deep State have been indoctrinated with Judeo-centric worldview, cult of ‘white guilt’, Magic Negro revelry(designed to turn whites into moral and sexual cucks), and globohomo neo-religion. While most people in Deep State are higher IQ, they lack individuality and integrity. They are mainly about status, prestige, and the pride of being part of the ‘best and brightest’. Their priority is to say and do anything to belong to the Club. So, they just play along with the dominant Script that has already been written for them. Granted, there is sometimes an agenda-lag between the shapers of power and wielders of power. We saw this with the matter of ‘gays in military’. As the US military had been against homosexuality for so long, the wielders of power in the military resisted the new pro-homo decree from above. But over time, the wielders of power eventually caught up to the demands of the shapers of power who have control of Narrative and Iconography that decide the collective values and passions of a people. Today, the wielders of power in the military are the most fervent pushers of globohomo-mania and invoke it with pride as a moral pillar of US hegemony: US must rule because it is ‘most evolved’ in globo-homo worship and tranny men competing in women’s sports. (In New America, women should get blown up in combat, babies should be killed even at the point of birth, and men-with-wigs should beat up women in sports.)

    Middle America only has voting power. The real power is decided by Top America. Upper America or Uppermost America controls the media, law firms, courts, finance, entertainment, intelligence services, organized crime(that works with powerful people), Pentagon, academia, and etc. They are the ones in the corridors of power, the backrooms where deals happen, the news centers & propaganda wings, the law courts, and etc. And these people feel contempt for dumb and mediocre Middle America, all the more so because goy-despising Jews are at the very top and because the new ideology is Diversity. Middle America is seen as ‘too white’, in need of enrichment by non-white foreigners as New Americans. Indeed, the US doesn’t even deserve to build walls to keep out Caravan illegals who are blatantly trespassing into the US. These massive movements of Caravandals cannot be spontaneous. Such huge movements of peoples have to be organized and coordinated, just like the mass demographic invasions of EU from Middle East and Africa. Jewish Globalists could well be behind it, and it is a powerful way to demonstrate Who-has-the-real-power to Trump and his naive supporters. Globalists organize ‘caravans’ of illegals to storm America from the outside, and Jewish globalists on the inside use their control of courts, media, and cuck-politicians to tie Trump’s hands from doing anything about it. It’s as if Jews pulled down Trump’s pants and snapped a mousetrap on his penis for all the world to see… yet, the ONLY thing he can do is sign the anti-wall bill, impotently declare emergency(that won’t do anything as it will be blocked by an army of Jewish lawyers and goy cucks), and sing more hosannas to Israel. Jews are laughing at him and his followers who, no matter how insulted and humiliated, still praise Jews and Israel. Jews prize Diversity as a wedge to divide America so that goyim of many colors won’t be able to unite against Jewish globo-homo power.

    The failure of American Conservatives is partly due to insufficient interest in ideas, arts, culture, and world affairs. Such lack of curiosity meant Conservatives had little chance of taking over elite centers of information, social sciences, arts, entertainment, and etc. While many conservatives did succeed in engineering and business, the problem is such fields are essentially non-ideological or non-higher-inspirational. Business is about aspiration, and it’s good to have lots of money. But meaning doesn’t come from money itself but from the ‘higher’ purpose it serves. This is why Bill Gates tries to win respect and admiration by pouring billions into his ‘save the world’ projects. Where does Bill Gates get his ideas and values? Media and Academia. Finance is about making money, and engineering is about building and running things. They are value-free. People seek values from ideas and idols, from history books, movies, TV shows, narratives, and etc. As Jews and Liberals have shown far more interest in such fields, they came to control the ideas and idols.

    Francis Fukuyama spoke of the End of History(meaning End of History of Ideas), what with Liberal Democracy being the ultimate goal and universal good for all mankind for all time. Jews didn’t exactly see it that way. If Fukuyama focused on the blank slate of liberal democracy itself as the ultimate good, Jews concentrated on what they could write on the slate to turn liberal democracy into a tribal oligarchy. After all, EVEN IF liberal democracy may be the best form of governance, the fact remains that it is generic & bland, lacking a will and drive of its own. Jews thought less in terms of ‘triumph of liberal democracy’ than of ‘triumph of Jewish Power by means of liberal democracy'(even if Jews had to resort to illiberal means like PC to suppress liberal principles and values, such as free speech, freedom of conscience, and equal justice; I wonder if Fukuyama thinks the Anti-BDS law passed by the Senate is in tune with Liberal Democracy? So much for equal justice and freedom of conscience. Also, if the US is really a liberal democracy, how come Fukuyama and other academics are SO AFRAID and TIMID about broaching the topic of Jewish Power and Zionist imperialism over West Bank? Or about what Jewish Power did to Russia economically in the 1990s? Fukuyama talks a lot of shi* about big bad Putin and how corrupt the Russians are, but he’s utterly silent about Jewish role in the Shock Doctrine.) Jews were less interested in the End of History(of ideas) than in the End of Iconography and ‘Narrativity’ or ‘Iconarrativity’. Jews understood that the groups favored by the ‘Narrativity’ and Iconography would get to dominate and control Liberal Democracy. Even in a liberal democracy, some people are bound to be more equal than others. Why would they be ‘more equal’? Because they are favored by the prevailing narrative and official iconography. Who controls the narrative? The academia that feeds ideas and histories to the media. Who controls the iconography? The media and entertainment. So, Jews were less interested in the End of History than in how they could ‘end'(or finalize or complete) the Iconography and Narrative(or Iconarrative) in their favor so that they could gain permanent power. Both Christianity and Islam sought to ‘end’ the ‘Iconarrativity’ for all future history. Christianity said the Final Truth for all time was revealed by Jesus. So, across the centuries, Christian powers patronized artists to create Christian icons extolling Jesus’ divinity and memorializing His Crucifixion. The West did this generation after generation over 1500 yrs. And the Gospels were read and preached endlessly as the Final Revelation for mankind(that is unless Jesus decides to return). Muslims did the same with Muhammad, though in some ways, Islam was less effective because it presented a Final Narrative but no Iconography. As Muhammad as the Final Prophet could not be represented as an icon(such would have been wicked idolatry), there was only the Word of the Prophet and the Wail of the faithful. Christianity was a picture book with both words and pictures. Islam was just a book of words, mostly narrative and far less iconography.

    Anyway, Jews decided to define the End of Iconarrativity in the Liberal Democratic world order. The favored icons came to be the Holy Three: Jews, Homos, and Negroes. The reasons are obvious. Jews chose themselves of course. Jews chose Negroes because Negroes are profitable to Jews in sports, entertainment, and sex industry. Also, Jews know that Negroes are the most potent force against whites. Why this need to browbeat and tame whites? Jews know that their supremacy depends on white submission to Jews. To make whites submit, they must be made to feel guilty and inferior. By invoking black slavery, Jews play on ‘white guilt’, thus paralyzing white pride and autonomy. And by promoting black prowess in sports, music, and sex, Jews turn white males into cucky-wuck wussies and turn white women into jungle feverish whores. No other race is as effective in undermining white pride and unity. Take American Indians. Due to the ‘genocide’ of the red man, whites could be baited with guilt about what they did to Indians, not least because genocide is worse than slavery. But because Indians are not a huge factor in sports, sex, and music, they are not effective as a weapon against white male pride and white women’s loyalty to white men. So many white girls are now hooked to imitating blacks, ‘twerking’, worshiping black athletes, and creating sons who look and act like Colin Kaepernick.
    As for homos, Jews chose them because both groups have something in common as high-achieving, neurotic, and arrogant elite minorities. Also, both are obsessed with entertainment, arts and ideas, gossip, and game of power. Jews have chutzpah, and homos have aristo flair. Also, as homos are flamboyant and fun-fun-fun, Jews know homo idolatry adds color and fanfare to globalism: The homo-rainbow and endless displays of homo and tranny exhibitionism. Jews also see Homo-Worship as useful weapon against Christianity and inverting traditional & normal goy values. And as every nation has its share of homos, Jews figure on recruiting and training queers in every nation as their useful toadies and allies. Also, by hyping the ‘plight’ of homos, the globo-homo empire morally justifies itself as a promoter of ‘human rights’. Why do we need a new cold war with Russia? Uh… it doesn’t have massive homo ‘pride’ parades. (As for Christian bakers who’ve had their lives destroyed because they won’t make ‘gay’ wedding cakes? They don’t count because the End of Iconarrativity trumps the End of History, or Homo Supremacism trumps freedom of conscience for bakers who refuse to participate in something vile and immoral because, after all, ‘gay marriage’ desecrates true marriage by associating marriage with homo fecal-penetration and tranny-penis-cutting.) US may be a ‘liberal democracy’ but one that worships a certain Iconarrativity that consecrates Jews, Negroes, and Homos as the holiest peoples. The globo-homo trinity of Jews, Negroes, and Homos is designed to be permanent. It doesn’t matter what Jews, blacks, and homos do from now on. Jews are forever the Holy Holocaust People, Blacks are forever the Tragic Slavery People, and Homos are forever the Angelic Saints sprinkling ‘rainbow’ magic on us. Consider how Jews today act like Judeo-Nazis and have gone out of their way to confirm just about every ‘antisemitic’ trope and then some, but we are supposed to think of all Jews as Anne-Franks-Forever. The End of Iconarrativity demands it. https://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2015/2/8/in-these-very-moments-the-protocols-are-being-rewritten Or consider all the black violence, thuggery, and nastiness. But we are supposed to see black reality forever through the narrative prism of TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD. Jussie Smollett was trying to pull a Mockingbird in the age of Gangsta Rap and out-of-control black thuggery.
    This is why we can’t talk honestly about Jewish power and corruption. This is why we can’t have a honest discussion about black crime and violence. This is why we must pretend homos are holy victims when, in fact, HIV was the result of massive homo-fecal-penetration among obsessive fruitcakes ramming any pair of buns in sight. The End of Iconarrativity(as devised by Jews) fixed Jews, blacks, and homos as noble, holy, and magical for all time. They are like ‘made men’ in the Mafia.

    If Middle America wants to bring down Uppermost America, it must surgically perform brain surgery and expose what’s inside and how it works to control the world. It must do a Hannibal Lecter on the nerve center of Top America. Indeed, this was why Upper America took out Alex Jones. Granted, Jones was a sloppy surgeon and often a quack, but his scalpel did sometimes touch on the nerves of the globo-homo elites.

    We must explode the Myth of American Liberal Democracy. While Fukuyama may have been right that the end of the Cold War was a triumph of liberal democracy over communism, he foolishly assumed that Idea or Ideal would determine the future. No, the fact is ideas are always shaped by individuals and identities. Why did Khrushchevism deviate from Stalinism? Why did Maoism deviate from Sovietism? Why did Castroism deviate from European communism? All were Marxist-Leninist but varied greatly according to individuals and identities involved. Indeed, notice what Dengism did to Maoism, and what Gorbachevism did to Brezhnevism. All these people were trained in communism as the End of History, but they still managed to reshape the ideology in profoundly different ways. This is even truer of Liberal Democracy. At least communism had a core set of tenets and dogma, which made deviation and heresy difficult except at the very top. In contrast, Liberal Democracy is generic and bland as a idea. It just ensures there shall be freedom of competition under the rule of law. But what happens when a particular group is so successful that it comes to control and corrupt the rule of law? That’s been the outcome of Liberal Democracy since the end of the Cold War. Jews outpaced everyone else in the competition and gained dominant positions in media, academia, high tech, finance, law firms, law courts, vice industries like gambling, and deep state. Furthermore, Jews knew that the best way to secure their power for the long haul was to shield Jewishness from criticism. But how could this be done in a Liberal Democracy that is all about free speech and honest discussion of power? After all, isn’t liberal democracy all about the freedom of conscience to speak truth to power, esp to the uppermost power? This is where the End of Narrative and Iconography became so crucial for the Jews. Unless Jews could close and seal(or ‘terminalize’) the Iconarrativity to fix Jews as permanently holy, perceptions about Jews could go from positive to negative depending on future Jewish behavior and/or historical revisions of Jewish-Goy relations. Without the End of Iconarrativity, new icons and narratives could emerge to challenge and topple the favored iconarrative status of Jews, e.g. Palestinians as the new holy victim group and Jews as the new supremacist group corrupted by excess wealth and power.
    As people are quasi-spiritual(even in a modern secular liberal democracy) and hunger for sacred cows of some kind, Jews used academia, media, and the state to ‘sacralize’ Jews as the holy holocaust people, the Anne Frank people, the Schindler’s List people FOR ALL TIME. Holocaust Movies now constitute a genre of its own, like Biblical movies of old. Also, the Jewish End of Iconarrativity has fixed Israel as not just another foreign nation but the ‘greatest ally of the US’ forever and ever and ever(like Jack Torrance in THE SHINING has been made to feel a special connection to the Overlook Hotel forever and ever and ever by the evil ghosts). What the Soviet-Chinese commie cabal did to Frank Sinatra and his men in THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, Jewish power has done to US goy elites and masses who so mindlessly spout “Israel is the best, kindest, most wonderful, most holy, most super, most everything awesome under the sun, and the greatest ally of the US forever and ever.”

    Jews also used cuck-churches to spread the notion that it is God Himself who wills Americans to support Zionist bashing of subhuman Palestinians. So, criticism of Israel isn’t merely political dissent but downright spiritual heresy. Of course, Jews exploit the stupidity of Evangelicals who are both pigheaded in their militancy and sappy in their sentimentality.
    Since Jewish power became the biggest power but also one that no one must criticize, it grew ever more corrupt. Indeed, it isn’t far-fetched to say the US is currently a Jewish gangster-fascist state(as opposed to a sane humanist-fascist state). Just like the so-called MSM obsesses more about fictional ‘hate crimes’ against ‘innocent’ blacks than about all the black-on-white crime and violence, it is more outraged by the slightest criticism of Jewish Power than by all the Jewish-supremacist hatreds against whites, Christians, Palestinians, Iranians, Libyans, Russians, and etc. Also, Jews claim to be against ‘Islamophobia’ but conveniently overlook the fact that it was all these Wars for Israel that have destroyed the lives of countless Muslims.

    Now, Jews managed to pull this off with their control of ideology but there was another key factor. The problem with ideology is it comes with core tenets and principles that obey a certain logic. It can be a double-edged sword for those who wield it. Ideology is a thought-system, and as such, discrepancy or hypocrisy between what is said and what is done is often apparent. Jeremy Corbyn is a leftist ideologue, and as such, tries to be fair to both Jews and Palestinians on IDEOLOGICAL grounds. After all, if leftist logic is about opposing supremacism and favoring equal dignity for all, then the UK should not be supporting the Zionist-imperialist project in West Bank. While ideology is often abused, it comes with a rulebook, and it isn’t difficult to discern the contradictions between what the power says and what it does. This is why Jewish Power understands that ideology alone isn’t enough to guard their power. (The reason why Jews were more effective in persuading Protestants than Catholics is because the former, having forsaken the ‘idolatry’ of the Catholic Church, came to be defined more by words and credo of faith than by rituals, symbols, and icons. Therefore, Jews could point to the logical flaws in what the Protestants preached and what they actually practiced. In contrast, as Catholicism was heavily laden with iconography and ritualism, it was more impervious to logical arguments. You can’t argue against wine, wafer, and holy water. Jews figured, “Use protestantist logic against goyim, use catholicist iconography to shield Jewish power.)
    This is why Jews mastered the art of advertising and used its methodology in all their endeavors and projects. Thus, Ad-driven-ideology or ‘Adeology’ became the primary means by which Jews promoted themselves and gained control over others. If Jews had mainly emphasized the ideology of anti-supremacism(to invalidate white or goy supremacism) but then also pressured white folks to support Zionist imperialism over Palestinians, people will come to think more like Philip Giraldi or Ron Paul who find troublesome moral inconsistency in what Jews preach and what they practice. After all, why does the US claim to stand for egalitarian principles but then support the blatant Jewish supremacism over West Bank and wage all these insane Wars for Israel? Also, if sanctity of Jewishness is premised on having been victimized by evil Nazism, why are Jewish globalists allied with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Ideology has its dangers as an intellectual straitjacket, but it still works according to a certain set of rules and logic.
    In contrast, advertising bypasses logic and reason. It works instantly or immediately, mainly via the subliminal power of association. After all, most ads are just pictures in magazines or short commercials on TV(some lasting 15 sec or less). If ads are so simple and short, why are they so damned effective in swaying millions, even billions, of people? Because of the psychological power of association. It’s like the Albert Brooks as the ad guy in LOST IN AMERICA yammering about how Christmas can be associated with Las Vegas. His pitch came to fruition –reality now imitates jokes like life used to imitate art — in America, but then, Christmas was long ago associated with crass materialism by the power of advertising.

    The scene in LOST IN AMERICA is silly, but it conveys a real truth about the power of Advertising-as-Ideology or Advertising-over-ideology, or ‘Adeology’. The human mind naturally seeks patterns, rhymes, parallels, associations. Why do so many people purchase certain products? Are all those shampoos really all that good? Or is it because the commercial associates the products with beautiful people and celebrities? Why should people buy a certain brand of cereal or pair of shoes? For many people, the main appeal is the product’s association with some famous person or athlete. Now, Air Jordans aren’t going to improve anyone’s athletic skills, let alone turn him into a Michael Jordan, but kids who wear that stuff feel associated with Michael Jordan, as if there is a meeting of spirits through shoe-wear.
    Or consider how Americans came to associate gambling with moral redemption. By doling out casinos to Indian Reservations as a form of ‘reparation’, the ugly vice became associated with redressing historical tragedies. Thus morally laundered, gambling could be promoted in all 50 states as a virtue industry than a vice industry.
    So many Americans have come to support Israel mindlessly because of the power of Zionist ‘Adeology’. At AIPAC conferences, giant screens blare with images juxtaposing the US flag with the Israel flag. And the speeches say little about real politics or history and instead run like Ad campaigns with slogans and jingles formulated to be soundbites quoted by the compliant MSM. “Israel is America’s closest ally”, “Israel is America’s greatest ally”, “America stands with Israel”, etc. People who come under the spell of such barrage no longer need to think. For them, Zionism works like the greatest soap commercial.
    Sigmund Freud’s nephew Edward Bernays understood the power of advertising as the neo-iconography of the post-religious age. For most of traditionalist history, the dominant images or ideas were associated with eternal themes or mighty rulers. In European history from 500 to 1900, the most dominant(and recurring) images were those of Jesus and other Christian icons. In the Muslim world, the dominant images were Islamic symbols. In the Hindu world, it was Hindu images and symbolism. But with the rise of consumerism, the dominant images became consumer products and entertainment, a fact all-too-well understood by Andy Warhol. Since products-as-products are a bit boring, advertising associated products with famous stars, glamorous celebrities, or gorgeous fashion models. And in time, even TV shows and movies were like extended commercials with fancy cars, dress, products, and glam lifestyles. Advertising Companies gained the top power, possibly even over Hollywood, as the main idol-and-icon-generators. It’s like people pay just as much attention to Superbowl commercials as to the Superbowl game itself. Indeed, after the game is over, there is more discussion of the ads than of the game that is over and done with.

    Anyway, naturally The Power is going to use ‘Adeology’ to favor its own agenda. Notice the sheer paucity of Palestinian narrative or iconography in the media. Last year was the 70th anniversary of Nakba Pogroms, but there was virtually no mention of the term in the media and government. (If any politician in Congress had requested a moment of silence to commemorate the tragedy, he would have been lynched and destroyed by the entire Jewish Power Complex.) In contrast, politicians, media people, and etc. have spouted off a million times about not only Israel but Israel-as-America’s-greatest-ally. Americans never see an image of the US flag juxtaposed with the Palestinian flag, but we’ve all seen countless images of the Israel flag associated with US flag.
    Humans take pride in being creatures of reason(unlike stupid animals), but most times, we sense reality by instant-associations than by logical reason. If this weren’t true, commercials would have little impact on us. Advertising has tremendous sway over us because our minds are essentially Pavlovian. (Indeed, even when we know commercials are mostly BS on the rational level, we are affected by them on the subliminal and sensual level.) Just like dogs can be made to associate bells with food even though bells and food have no direct relation, our minds can be made to associate anything with anything. They can be made to associate the vice of gambling with the virtue of historical redress. They can be made to associate Zionism with the Holocaust. Even though Zionism predated WWII by 70 yrs and even though Israel was created AFTER World War II in which Evil Nazi Germany was totally crushed, we’ve been led to believe Israel was an existential necessity to save Jews from the Holocaust. Associate Israel with the Holocaust enough times, and people begin to believe the two are inseparably linked. But it’s a bogus association because, if Jews really needed a safe space after the horrors of WWII, Palestine was a rather odd place for a Jewish homeland as Jews would be surrounded by tons of enraged Arabs. Also, if the lesson of the Holocaust is that racial supreamcism is bad, how does it justify Zionism’s ideology of Jews uber Palestinians?
    But the associative power of ‘Adeology’ distracts us from moral logic and historical reason. Just repeat, “Israel is America’s greatest ally” while staring at an image of the US flag and the Israel flag melding into one. Even a cursory glance at the news media makes it clear as day that they’re hardly distinguishable from advertising. Media are owned by super-rich people who invest huge sums in certain politicians, agendas, or movements. Why would they undermine their own investments in business, politics, and society by allowing the media to be rational, fair, and impartial in their pursuit of truth? Carlos Slim didn’t invest in NYT to have it counter his agenda. Jeff Bezos didn’t buy Washington Post to have it rail against him and Amazon. Jews didn’t spend billions on media ownership to spread news and views that might undermine the Jewish supremacist project. George Soros doesn’t fund all these ‘universities’ to foster free thought that might conclude that Soros is a son of a bitch and globalism sucks. So, most of media work just like advertising. Media carefully vet the kind of reporters who will be good dogs. Indeed, the conditioning happens from grade-school to college as the Media-and-Academia-Combine(controlled by Jews) target kids for indoctrination and ‘idolatration’ from the youngest age possible.
    Most of MSM is just propaganda or Ad-wars for the Deep State that takes its orders from Jewish Power. Mass Media are Jewish-controlled industry colluding with Deep State operatives who are mostly either Jewish or goy-puppets of Jews. Jewish Power is about network tyranny. There is no single Jew who is all-powerful like Stalin or Mao. Even super-rich Jews like Bloomberg and Adelson, on their own, could do only so much. But Jewish power is vast and networked in elite institutions and industries, and Jews have developed an instinctive tribal-supremacist hive-mindset that allows for synchronized coordination even without communication. For example, if a politician condemns the US involvement in Syria, so many Jews in media, academia, state, law firms, Hollywood, and etc, all think and feel alike: Syria is ally of Iran, enemy of Israel. For Israel’s interests, Syria must be ruined. Anyone defending Syria must be destroyed. Even without talking with one another, most Jews instantly know what-is-up and what-must-be-done. So, instantly, the Jewish hive-action kicks into gear in all sectors to attack the defender of Syria. Now, Jews will not come out and admit this is how they feel and why they do what they do, but they all KNOW. They (((know))), and based on that hive-mind knowledge, they read from The Script to push the Jewish supremacist agenda. Of course, for general consumption(by us goy dummies), Jews in media, academia, state, and etc. will repeat the same talking points about ‘Assad murders his own people’, ‘Assad uses gas’, ‘Assad is puppet of Putin’, and ‘Syria is a threat to Israel'(even though it’s Israel that has been violating Syrian air space and dropping tons of bombs). But deep down inside, Jews know it’s all about securing Jewish supremacism in the Middle East.

    Now, returning to the problem of Middle America, one of its essential tasks must be the development of the Middle Mind. In a normal political order, the Middle usually goes about their daily routines and elects leaders to represent them and do the Big Stuff. They leave the policies and planning to the elites and elected officials. And the US used to have a functional elite system when white politicians paid heed to white voters(though, to be sure, politicians were always whores of oligarchs and moneymen; but then, white oligarchs of the past felt greater affinity with others of their race). Today, capitalist oligarchs are globo-homo freaks whose main attachment is to the class of super-achievers and super-rich all around the world. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are closer and feel cozier with billionaires and fancy elites around the world than with the lower members of their own race.
    People have forgotten that white race-ism did wonders for peoples all around the world, though often unintentionally. Race-ism forced white elites to favor their own folks over non-white elites. So, the British Empire was about the British elites favoring poor whites and working class whites as fellow countrymen than favoring non-white elites. Traditional British were obsessed with class, but they still favored race-ism over class-ism. Race-ism forced white elites to represent, defend, and feel loyal to their own racial kin and folks. It forced a certain socialism as noblesse oblige on the white elites.
    This had a great impact on non-whites as well. Non-white elites were tempted to dump most of their own kind(as the masses of any society are ‘losers’ and ‘dummies’) and cozy up to white elites. So many Hindu and Chinese elites were more than willing to collaborate with European imperialism and dilly-dally with white elites. But when push came to shove, European imperialist elites favored race-ism over class-ism. British elites favored British masses over non-white elites, and French elites favored French masses over non-white elites. This ‘insult’ and slight had an ennobling effect on non-white elites. Snubbed by race-ist white elites, they also took up the banner of nationalist race-ism and championed their own peoples against the white imperialist elites. This led to the great anti-imperialist and pro-nationalist Third World movements. White elites were with white masses, and non-white elites were with their own masses. Thus, the world politics came to be about the masses looking up to their own elites as national defenders and champions. Like how the Vietnamese came to regard Ho Chi Minh, how the Indians came to regard Gandhi, and how Cubans came to regard Castro. (If the British elites hadn’t discriminated against men like Gandhi, the latter would have become a bunch of Fareed Zakarias and Francis Fukuyamas, deracinated and traitorous Servitors of Empire. Zakaria cheers for US destruction of Syria, and Fukuyama is George Soros’ boy who pushes population replacement for Hungary and Japan[though never for Israel].) The form of poly-nationalism or universal nationalism that came to prominence after WWII seemed to work just fine, but Jews came to resent it as they became the imperial elites of the US as the lone superpower. Jews loved nationalism for Israel where Jewish elites and Jewish masses were bound by history, culture, and blood. But goy nationalism was bad for the Jewish supremacist project because goy nationalism means that the primary obligation of goy elites is to their goy masses, e.g. Hungarian elites for Hungarian masses, Russian elites for Russian masses, Chinese elites for Chinese masses, white Christian American elites for white Christian American masses. This was frustrating for Jewish supremacism because it depends on goy elites serving Jewish hegemonists than representing and defending goy masses. So, Jews spread the notion that nationalism, at least among goyim, is ‘far right’, ‘xenophobic’, ‘neo-nazi’, ‘racist’, and ‘exclusionary’. And Jews said all nations(except Israel) must embrace Diversity as the ultimate ideal. After all, Diversity could be used by Jews to drive a wedge between native goy elites and native goy masses. If goy elites must uphold Diversity above all, then they must prioritize the demands of foreign immigrant-invaders and minorities than the needs of their own folk. And it means that the native masses who decry Diversity and Replacement-Immigration should be denounced as ‘racist’ and ‘xenophobic’.
    Once the goy elites have been decoupled from their goy masses, they could be used to serve the interest of Jewish super-elites. In some ways, this arrangement was appealing to white elites as well because it’s more fun for elites(of any kind) to favor other elites than care about their own people. Elite-to-elite network is a community of winners. In contrast, race-ist nationalism means winners must also be concerned with losers of their own kind. Zionism is about Jewish-Israeli elites being primarily bound to Israeli-Jewish people, whereas the Irish and Swedish national policies are now about the elites being most loyal to globo-homo hegemony, snubbing & excoriating their national folk over the slightest hint of ‘racism’ and ‘xenophobia’, and rolling out the red carpet to endless tides of immigrant-invaders who holler, “Where da white women at?”
    One of the reason why Jewish globalists were eager to end communism in the Soviet Union was the system was about winners taking care of losers. Communism was a bad system and ineffective, but it did bind the Soviet elites to Soviet masses. But with communism gone, the Soviet elites could unchain themselves from the masses and scheme with Jewish globalists to make some serious dough for themselves. Of course, Jews would take the lion share of the wealth, but there was plenty to go around for the ex-Soviet goy elites who decided to roll the dice with the globalists.

    Though it may seem counter-intuitive, globalism is dangerous to all peoples precisely because it is anti-race-ist. Unlike old Western Imperialism that was race-ist and upheld the unity of white elites and white masses, globalism is about white elites handing the white masses the divorce paper(a kind of no-fault divorce) to sever ties of contract and, instead, joining the swinging-set with globo-elites all around the world. Since Western globalist elitism no longer discriminates against non-white elites, even non-white elites are abandoning their own race-ist nationalism and scrambling to join the globo-homo Elysium World of winners-to-winners networking. Nicer for rich Hindu families to raise their kids to join Elysium of winners than devote their lives to improving the lot of so many Hindu losers who still shit outdoors.
    And naturally, Jews have promoted globo-homo or Homomania as the ideology and ‘idology’ of the New World Order becasue (1) Jews prize homos as fellow elite minorities (2) homos are naturally aristo in style and attitude (2) homomania de-moralizes and de-culturalizes peoples and nations and promotes fads and fashions of ‘Adeology’ controlled by Jews.
    Needless to say, Israel gets passover privilege from globalist denunciation of nationalism and race-ism as pathology and disease. Mono-Nationalism of Zionism says Jews and only Jews are deserving of nationalism, racial identity, and unity-solidarity of elites and folks. When Jews touch nationalism, it’s pure gold. When goyim touch nationalism, it is lead poisoning… so says the twisted Jewish Logic that is for Jewish Mono-nationalism and against Poly-nationalism of goy peoples.

    In a sane nation, the elites would try to moralize the populace because a moral, decent, and virtuous people are best for society. But Jews don’t see goy populace as kinfolk worthy of care and concern. If anything, Jews see goy mass morality as a threat to Jewish power that is now awash in financial crookedness, vice industries, profits via pornification of mainstream culture, senseless Wars for Israel, and big pharma drug-peddling. An ‘immoralized’ people are less likely to be morally outraged by the filth and foulness of corrupt elites. So, Jews turned Disney into a slut-factory. (But because Disney began as a Family Entertainment Industry, its recent slut-promotion and homo-tranny propaganda are associated with ‘Family Values’. More Adeology in action.) Jews promoted homomania as neo-christianity, to the point where so many Western churches now worship ‘rainbow’-homo over God and Jesus. Jewish power bitches about ‘hate speech'(as defined by Jewish haters who never berate Israel for its crimes) but does NOTHING about how hardcore porn is now readily accessible to young kids. There is promotion of tattoos, piercing, and sexual perversions of all kind, like ‘pegging’ a man by a woman with a dildo strap-on. We have news articles saying that straight men(!!) should experiment in ‘gay’ sex and take it up the arse. Jewish power de-moralized Americans of true morality and re-moralized them with fake morals, such as ’empowerment via slut pride’, celebration of ‘gay pride’, promotion of trannies as ‘real women’, New Cold War against Russia that wants peace, endless ‘hate hoaxes’ concocted to promote anti-white defamation as fight-against-bigotry, stupid nonsense about ‘white privilege’ to distract people from Jewish privilege, ‘gay marriage’, and other forms of insanity. Jews would have us believe the New Normal constitutes ‘universal values’, but it is actually ‘inversal values’ as it’s premised on inverting all the time-tested forms of virtue, integrity, morality, sanity, and normality.

    Middle America must develop its own mind because Upper America has called for divorce. When a man says “I divorce you” and departs, the woman must no longer expect to be taken care of by him, especially if the law say he doesn’t have to give her anything. In the movie UNMARRIED WOMAN, Jill Clayburgh finally comes to take care of herself after her husband dumped her. In TWICE IN A LIFETIME, the jilted wife learns to land on her own feet after her hubber dumps her. The big fat truth of American Politics is that the white elites divorced the white middle. White Middle must learn to think for itself and fend for itself and say FU to the elites. And remember, it was the white elites that rejected the white masses, not the other way around. The problem of Middle America is it is still under the impression that there is a marriage contract between itself and white elites. It will do better to break free of this delusion.

    Upper White America is now just a mistress of Jewish supremacist globalist pimp, and it prefers to dilly-dally with non-white elites around the world who have also filed divorce papers to cut ties with their own national folks. Even Japanese political and business elites are giving up on their own people and preparing Japan to become another Brazil. Closer to home, look at the white elites of Canada and Australia. They will gladly dump on their own national folks and go shmoozing with Jewish elites, Chinese elites, and Hindu elites. Australian white elites will gladly sell entire swaths of national territory to Chinese and Hindu tycoons. White Canadian elites sneer at white masses and offer entire areas of their cities to Hindu, Chinese, and Muslim oligarchs and rich folks.
    Most sadly, even much of Middle America, Middle Canada, and Middle Australia(and Middle Britain of course) have been sold on globalism because everyone from top to bottom has been brainwashed with mantras of Diversity, magic of Great Negro, wonders of Holy Jew(and universal obligatory worship of holy holocaust), and globo-homo fanfare. For most people, pop culture and advertising are their only culture. And virtually everyone who attends college is brainwashed into rejecting race-ism(except for Jews), nationalism, and true moralism. They come to believe Diversity is the highest good(even though diversity is the product of imperialism), race-mixing is the panacea of all problems(even though race-mixing has usually been the product of invasion & rape and interracism is predicated on racial superiority-inferiority, e.g. white women should go with black men who are superior to white dorks in muscle, vocality, and dong size). Look at Ireland. Once proudly nationalist, 70% of its people voted to pass ‘gay marriage’, and the idiot masses are so enamored to have some hindu homo as prime minister.

    Of course, the white cucky-wuck elites prefer the new arrangement because the fading of nationalism and race-ism means that the native masses can no longer press upon the national elites to work for the common national good. Indeed, the very notion of shared national interest went out the window in New Ireland that is defined by More Diversity than by national identity and solidarity. So, what are Ireland and Irish interests under the globo-homo regimen where Ireland is now all about taking in tons of Africans, Muslims, and Hindus as the New Irish? It means the end of real Ireland and Irish people. Of course, Irish elites will have a grand time selling their nation down the river because they can capitalize on dilly-dallying with globalist elites of all races and colors. Winner-to-winner peer-networking. Irish have a contradictory mindset because they were both the most committed resisters against Anglo-Imperialism as well as its greatest collaborators. Even as the Irish sought to free Ireland from British Rule, the Irish followed the Anglos all over the world to colonize the New World, Asia, Africa, and etc. Today, UK and Ireland are almost indistinguishable in that both are under the globo-homo hegemony of the Empire of Judea. As such, their fates are now virtually identical and intertwined: Worship Jews, Negroes, and Homos. Open Borders and destruction of native identity. That said, the Irish worship the Jews so much that they’ve become, paradoxically enough, anti-Zionist(a development also evident in the British Labour Party). Irish politics and British Labour worship Jews as the Holy Holocaust people and have swallowed Jewish-led globohomo pro-diversity propaganda so totally that they are appalled by Jews acting like New Nazis in West Bank and Gaza. Jews are pulling their hair over this because they’ve steered themselves into a trap of their own making. After all, the position of Ireland and Labour Party is the logical conclusion of Jewish globo-homo ideology of diversity-mongering. Perhaps, the Irish and Labour Party need more doses of ‘Adeology’ than ideology so that they will think less about the issues and just get all teary-eyed with mantras of “Israel is our greatest ally”.

    Anyway, how does Middle America develop a mind of its own? Via the internet, the dispersed world of Middle America must create networks across cities, suburbs, small towns. Across all 50 states. Middle America must drop the complacent habit of letting OTHERS do the thinking for it. It must learn to think and talk for itself. Alt Right had a chance to play this role, but idiots like Richard Spencer blew it with egomania and flirting with trashy 14/88 garbage.
    In the past, Middle America relied on figures like Rush Limbaugh to be its spokesman, but as Big Media are concentrated in few hands, most of the talking points came to be about ‘lower taxes’, silly sentimentality about Reagan, ‘Israel, Israel, Israel’, and etc. Rush Limbaugh was a huge champion of ‘free trade’ and globo-capitalism. He extolled winners and berated ‘losers’. This ‘voice of Middle America and its fruited plains’ lionized super-capitalists as champions of freedom and liberty. Fast forward to today, and we now know these super-oligarchs are anti-nationalist, anti-conservative, anti-white-solidarity, and anti-freedom. It’s been none other than the super-capitalists who deplatformed people, deny payment services and even banking to dissidents, and used big media to spread homomania. They use law firms to shut down free speech and go after virtuous bakers who refused to bake ‘gay wedding’ cakes. Also, as the ‘voices of Middle America’ on Talk Radio make their money from commercials paid for by globohomo super-capitalists, they don’t even dare to speak truth to Homo power or Jewish power. They’re a bunch of pathetic cucks.

    Now, if Middle America had all the time in the world, it should work patiently to study hard and work itself into elite domains, just like the 60s radicals did in the ‘long march through the institutions’. But there is no time for this. Demographics are changing too fast. So, Middle America must make its voices heard from where it is, the Middle. This would have been impossible in the past, but with the right tools and organization an authentic Middle American voice can be created via the internet. A media network that links all places, from biggest cities to smallest towns.
    Even though the internet is accessible to all peoples and places, there has yet to be a unified platform that consolidates and connects all of Middle America into a Mind and Mouth of its own that is truly independent of puppet-strings of the globo-homo oligarchs and their commissars and agents.

    First of all, there must be a war of terminology. Those who control terminology rig the game to favor their own ideology and agenda. Take a term like ‘homophobia’ that intrinsically favors the homo agenda because the very wording assumes that there is such a thing as phobia about homos when there isn’t. There is a lot of negative feelings about homos, but it’s not a phobia, an extreme panicked fearful reaction to something that is harmless. People who are turned off by homosexuality have sound, natural, and moral reasons. I mean it’s about guys f***ing each other in the ass. Even if we tolerate such stuff, it is ugly, gross, and disease-prone. But the term ‘homophobia’ rigs the discourse in favor of homomania by assuming that anyone who is critical of or turned off by homosexuality is suffering from a clinical pathology. Or take the utter corruption of term ‘antisemitism’ that now means speaking the most obvious truths about Jewish Power. Even honest Tru-Semitism, or truthful criticism about Jewish influence, is shouted down as ‘antisemitic’, a term associated with Nazis and the like.

    Anyway, Middle America is finished unless it develops a mind and mouth of its own. It must first wake up and read the divorce papers signed by white elites who chose to pimp themselves to Jewish super-elites and join in the globo-homo elite orgy. Just look at Justin Trudeau, the Man for All Costumes, and Emmanuel Macron, the Negro hugger who says real Frenchness is in Africa, implying France must take in endless numbers of stronger and donger black guys who will beat up weaker French guys and hump French women.
    White elites handed divorce papers to white folks. They are now in ‘free love’ dalliance with Diversity. Understanding this, White people and Middle America must tell themselves every day, “White elites are NOT our elites. They are globo-homo whores of Zion. They are swingers, not loyal spouses to the national folk.” Understanding this truth, white people and Middle America must decide that, because white elites no longer feel any sense of obligation to white masses, the white masses in turn should feel zero loyalty to white elites. So, if white elites make any demand on white masses, give them the middle finger or the Middle American Finger… just like Yellow Jackets in France are telling Macron to go to hell. Why should white masses serve the power, privilege, wealth, and status of white elites when scum like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos just shi* on them? The hell with globohomo ‘free trade’ capitalism. Middle America or ‘Kansas'(of “What’s the Matter with Kansas” by Thomas Frank) should turn Social-Nationalist and say FU to the rich and affluent. Rush Limbaugh assured his listeners that the rich and successful would defend liberty and freedom of all the people from the State, but it turns out that the rich, especially Jewish ones, are spearheading efforts to take away our speech, our rights, and our guns. Via hyper-capitalism, they gain monopoly over media and platforms and treat the masses like Israel treats Palestinians in West Bank. Middle America was told that capitalism is great because profits and self-interest bring together even peoples who don’t see eye to eye ideologically or tribally. Business means profits, and that means anyone will sell to anyone for more money, thus assuring co-existence of all peoples on the basis of business interests. But look how the big capitalists collude with the Deep State to shut down even banking and payment systems to certain individuals and groups. Look at the vile Jewish supremacist efforts to shut down BDS and free speech that calls for justice for Palestinians. Jewish capitalists fund politicians to proscribe the rights of Palestinian-Americans and their sympathizers. Look at Tim Cook that vile scum who speaks of ‘sin’ — funny talk from a guy whose life revolves around taking penises up his poopchute — and how Apple must censor anyone hated by Zionists who murder Palestinians. Limbaugh couldn’t have been more wrong. Libertarianism was one big fraud that, boiled down to essentials, means the those with most money and biggest monopolies can use their muscle to do just about anything.

    Middle America or Middle FINGER America must ask why it must support Jews against Palestinians(and Wars for Israel) when Jewish Power treats whites like Zionists treat Palestinians. Middle Finger America must break free from fat fartbags like John Hagee who has poisoned countless minds with blind worship of Jews and Israel(even though all polls show that Jews hate and despise white Evangelicals even more than Muslims). And if white cuck elites bitch and complain about how Middle Finger America isn’t sufficiently loyal to the GOP(that snubbed white people who voted for it in favor of globo-homo hegemony), it should do a Janet Jackson on them and ask “What have you done for me lately?” As white elites declared divorce on white masses, they have no right to demand loyalty from white people. When white elites collaborate with Jewish super-elites to replace white folks and turn all of US into one big California, why should white masses do anything for white elites(who suck up to Jews than serve their own race)?

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    Wow breathtaking! However, besides minor quibbles about the essay (thanks very much for taking the time to type it all) I mostly agree with it. And I am assuming barring the usual detractors, most will agree with the premise of what you wrote. I normally do not comment here all too often as it looks futile to do so at this late stage. The comments section is intellectually fulfilling and at times quite entertaining, especially the take downs of pompous zio-detractors and their likes. But beyond that it serves not much purpose

    However what got me commenting now is the fact that reality is finally dawning on the 'alt-right' hopefuls that being good citizens and conceding one thing after another will never cut it for us. This thread by AE is testimony of that. And yes the current ruling elites in the world no longer have even a modicum of consciousness about race or ethnicity. However that doesn't mean all of them are pozzed to the same extent. Although I can attest to the fact that globo-homo has it's sights set for the entire planet now. It wants to sully normality everywhere just as it has done in the west with all the gender bender non sense and promotion of faggotry and worship of the diseased mind [and body] as normal and 'woke'. Let me give you an example below:

    I am a recruiter for my company and frequently travel to Poland, India and Malaysia where we have big tech centers of excellence. The tier of the company, like most tech companies now, is heavily invested into all forms of 'woke' enlightenment and wants to shove it down people's throats, whether they like it or not. We already have internal regulations regarding transphobia and gender fluidity and all sorts of non-sense one can imagine.
    So as expected, some of our US offices have very few to no cis gender restrooms at all. The top management wanted to export this piece of woke enlightenment abroad and pursued discussions with local stakeholders abroad. Almost all three showed very different resistance levels. Poland (a putative catholic nation), though much more based than the US, showed the least resistance [among the three] with India showing the most [a conservative Hindu nation]. Ironically Malaysia [a putatively progressive Muslim nation] was somewhere in the middle. Thankfully the project never went too far and unfortunately 1 gender neutral restroom came to be installed in our Krakow office with both India and Malaysia opting out. Good for them. But it just means that globo-homo is relentless and will pursue it's dream of no culture, gay "rights", unrestrained sexuality and everything that is dark and unsavory to the ends of the world. Stubborn holdouts like Afghanistan would be taken out using the US military if need be

    However, now we are getting to the meat of the matter which compels me to comment and have a discussion. How many of us are seriously doing the red-pilling of the muscle of our "elites". Their mindless drones who are mostly one of us? Law enforcement? The poor lads of the south who volunteer with pride for their country only to become foot soldiers of the devil himself? Has anyone given any serious thought about that? This being a public forum, you may wish to keep this under wraps but please understand that unless that starts happening, the movement can never grow beyond being an online tavern for ravaged souls like ours for whom the dystopia is too much to swallow and have to visit here from time to time, just so we can keep our sanity

  119. @Talha
    I was interested in this very topic years ago and there were also other Founding Fathers that wrote or made similar statements:
    “Benjamin Rush, the Pennsylvania signer of the Declaration of Independence and friend of Adams and Jefferson, applauded this feature of Islam, asserting that he had ‘rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammed inculcated upon our youth than see them grow up wholly devoid of a system of religious principles.’”
    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    Among the attendees were the following who were also attendees to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia (aka Founding Fathers):
    William Blount
    Richard Dobbs Spaight
    William R. Davie
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/delegates/

    Concerns had been brought up, (by the North Carolinans in their conference to ratify the proposed Constitution) that if religious tests were not in play, then “pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans”.

    Counter points were made:
    “But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? ”

    Gov. Johnston also countered:
    "It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans, pagans, &c., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President, or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen.

    Spaight (Founding Father) concludes:
    “No sect is preferred to another. Every man has a right to worship the Supreme Being in the manner he thinks proper. No test is required. All men of equal capacity and integrity, are equally eligible to offices. Temporal violence might make mankind wicked, but never religious. A test would enable the prevailing sect to persecute the rest. I do not suppose an infidel, or any such person, will ever be chosen to any office, unless the people themselves be of the same opinion.”

    Spaight and Davie are recorded as saying "yea":
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/amendI_religions52.html
    http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_nc.htm

    It is fascinating, but fairly clear from the evidence that these same points were not only raised, but publicly debated. I'm all for people disagreeing with this or wanting to completely change it, but I think we should simply respect the historical record.


    Of course, this is all moot, because nobody cares about original intent anymore.
     
    Likely, which is why I was mentioning that, if the current generation thinks they were stuck with a bum deal - the FF definitely left methods to be able to change it. Now whether that was a smart move or not, I'll let others decide.

    Peace.

    All very interesting.

    Score 1 for Rosie against the blame-women crowd. Naive hyperindividualism considerably predates women’s suffrage doesn’t it?

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    Naive hyperindividualism considerably predates women’s suffrage doesn’t it?
     
    To be honest, even though these men were aware of Muslims in their midst - it is estimated that 1/4-1/3 of the slaves brought over were Muslim - if you look at the language of the debate and conclusions, it still seems like they are talking about their progeny becoming Hindu or Muslim or infidel. It’s not clear they were intending to be mixing it up it up with a bunch of guys from China or India.

    But yes, these notions predate women’s suffrage.

    Peace.
  120. @Priss Factor
    No one is going to stand up for Middle America. Either Middle America stands up for itself, or it’s finished.

    Problem is Middle America is exactly what it is: Middle America. The Middle doesn't decide policy. The Top does. Top America has the power and apparatus to rule. It's like the mind controls the body. The middle body, or torso, doesn't control the mind. Sure, if the torso is in pain, it sends signals to the mind to do something about it. When Top America was white, the brain centers had nerve connections to Middle America, the midsection of America.
    But Top America is now Jewish, and its nerve connections are with fellow Jews around the world and in Israel. Jewish brain centers sense little of the pain felt by Middle White America. When Middle(and Lower) White America sends signals to the Top about its pains and problems, the Top America says, "Here, take these pain-killing opioids and just die off to increase profits for Big Pharma. Die sooner than later because your ilk need to be replaced by non-whites who collaborate with Jewish Elites who let them in."

    Even in the Top or Upper America, most people only wield or serve power. They don't get to decide or shape the direction of power. Military generals, even at uppermost ranks, don't choose which wars to fight or which nations to destroy. They are just in it for status and prestige. They do as told by people above them. The President is supposed to be Commander-in-Chief, but, based on a honest assessment of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and even Donald Trump, it's obvious that the president is hemmed in by all sides by a greater power of Deep State networking dominated by the ethno-monopoly of Jewish Power. Congress is a parliament of whores that serves its donors than represents the people who elected its members. Jewish donations to Dems is 50 to 60%. Jewish donations to GOP is 25%. That ought to tell us who owns Congress. As Jews also control the media, they can use disinformation and propaganda to attack and smear politicians they don't like. Needless to say, all politicians are deathly afraid of AIPAC and big media. Also, as Jews and their cuck-puppets control top law firms and the courts, they can choose whom to go after. As every businessman, 'leader', or politician is corrupt and has skeletons in his closet, anyone can be brought down by Jewish Power, especially with its vast apparatus of collecting dirt on anyone for blackmail or prosecution. Notice how the Power went after Blagojevich but protected Obama, just another corrupt puppy. Jews are angry with Trump because his success owed much to Jewish protection in NY. Dig into Trump's past, and his dirt is inseparable from all the Jewish dirt in NY. Trump sure didn't work with David Duke or KKK to fleece so many people and pull all sorts of dirty tricks. Even the 'Russians' he had relations with in the past were Jews. So, when he spoke of America First and ran on Populism, Jewish rage knew no bounds and was determined to Truman-Show him from all sides: Keep him stuck in the Deep State Bubble. Trump-Show is Truman Show as real-reality-TV.

    https://youtu.be/5jeCZE5iq0o?t=148

    Furthermore, Jews control media and academia; therefore, most elites in Deep State have been indoctrinated with Judeo-centric worldview, cult of 'white guilt', Magic Negro revelry(designed to turn whites into moral and sexual cucks), and globohomo neo-religion. While most people in Deep State are higher IQ, they lack individuality and integrity. They are mainly about status, prestige, and the pride of being part of the 'best and brightest'. Their priority is to say and do anything to belong to the Club. So, they just play along with the dominant Script that has already been written for them. Granted, there is sometimes an agenda-lag between the shapers of power and wielders of power. We saw this with the matter of 'gays in military'. As the US military had been against homosexuality for so long, the wielders of power in the military resisted the new pro-homo decree from above. But over time, the wielders of power eventually caught up to the demands of the shapers of power who have control of Narrative and Iconography that decide the collective values and passions of a people. Today, the wielders of power in the military are the most fervent pushers of globohomo-mania and invoke it with pride as a moral pillar of US hegemony: US must rule because it is 'most evolved' in globo-homo worship and tranny men competing in women's sports. (In New America, women should get blown up in combat, babies should be killed even at the point of birth, and men-with-wigs should beat up women in sports.)

    Middle America only has voting power. The real power is decided by Top America. Upper America or Uppermost America controls the media, law firms, courts, finance, entertainment, intelligence services, organized crime(that works with powerful people), Pentagon, academia, and etc. They are the ones in the corridors of power, the backrooms where deals happen, the news centers & propaganda wings, the law courts, and etc. And these people feel contempt for dumb and mediocre Middle America, all the more so because goy-despising Jews are at the very top and because the new ideology is Diversity. Middle America is seen as 'too white', in need of enrichment by non-white foreigners as New Americans. Indeed, the US doesn't even deserve to build walls to keep out Caravan illegals who are blatantly trespassing into the US. These massive movements of Caravandals cannot be spontaneous. Such huge movements of peoples have to be organized and coordinated, just like the mass demographic invasions of EU from Middle East and Africa. Jewish Globalists could well be behind it, and it is a powerful way to demonstrate Who-has-the-real-power to Trump and his naive supporters. Globalists organize 'caravans' of illegals to storm America from the outside, and Jewish globalists on the inside use their control of courts, media, and cuck-politicians to tie Trump's hands from doing anything about it. It's as if Jews pulled down Trump's pants and snapped a mousetrap on his penis for all the world to see... yet, the ONLY thing he can do is sign the anti-wall bill, impotently declare emergency(that won't do anything as it will be blocked by an army of Jewish lawyers and goy cucks), and sing more hosannas to Israel. Jews are laughing at him and his followers who, no matter how insulted and humiliated, still praise Jews and Israel. Jews prize Diversity as a wedge to divide America so that goyim of many colors won't be able to unite against Jewish globo-homo power.

    The failure of American Conservatives is partly due to insufficient interest in ideas, arts, culture, and world affairs. Such lack of curiosity meant Conservatives had little chance of taking over elite centers of information, social sciences, arts, entertainment, and etc. While many conservatives did succeed in engineering and business, the problem is such fields are essentially non-ideological or non-higher-inspirational. Business is about aspiration, and it's good to have lots of money. But meaning doesn't come from money itself but from the 'higher' purpose it serves. This is why Bill Gates tries to win respect and admiration by pouring billions into his 'save the world' projects. Where does Bill Gates get his ideas and values? Media and Academia. Finance is about making money, and engineering is about building and running things. They are value-free. People seek values from ideas and idols, from history books, movies, TV shows, narratives, and etc. As Jews and Liberals have shown far more interest in such fields, they came to control the ideas and idols.

    Francis Fukuyama spoke of the End of History(meaning End of History of Ideas), what with Liberal Democracy being the ultimate goal and universal good for all mankind for all time. Jews didn't exactly see it that way. If Fukuyama focused on the blank slate of liberal democracy itself as the ultimate good, Jews concentrated on what they could write on the slate to turn liberal democracy into a tribal oligarchy. After all, EVEN IF liberal democracy may be the best form of governance, the fact remains that it is generic & bland, lacking a will and drive of its own. Jews thought less in terms of 'triumph of liberal democracy' than of 'triumph of Jewish Power by means of liberal democracy'(even if Jews had to resort to illiberal means like PC to suppress liberal principles and values, such as free speech, freedom of conscience, and equal justice; I wonder if Fukuyama thinks the Anti-BDS law passed by the Senate is in tune with Liberal Democracy? So much for equal justice and freedom of conscience. Also, if the US is really a liberal democracy, how come Fukuyama and other academics are SO AFRAID and TIMID about broaching the topic of Jewish Power and Zionist imperialism over West Bank? Or about what Jewish Power did to Russia economically in the 1990s? Fukuyama talks a lot of shi* about big bad Putin and how corrupt the Russians are, but he's utterly silent about Jewish role in the Shock Doctrine.) Jews were less interested in the End of History(of ideas) than in the End of Iconography and 'Narrativity' or 'Iconarrativity'. Jews understood that the groups favored by the 'Narrativity' and Iconography would get to dominate and control Liberal Democracy. Even in a liberal democracy, some people are bound to be more equal than others. Why would they be 'more equal'? Because they are favored by the prevailing narrative and official iconography. Who controls the narrative? The academia that feeds ideas and histories to the media. Who controls the iconography? The media and entertainment. So, Jews were less interested in the End of History than in how they could 'end'(or finalize or complete) the Iconography and Narrative(or Iconarrative) in their favor so that they could gain permanent power. Both Christianity and Islam sought to 'end' the 'Iconarrativity' for all future history. Christianity said the Final Truth for all time was revealed by Jesus. So, across the centuries, Christian powers patronized artists to create Christian icons extolling Jesus' divinity and memorializing His Crucifixion. The West did this generation after generation over 1500 yrs. And the Gospels were read and preached endlessly as the Final Revelation for mankind(that is unless Jesus decides to return). Muslims did the same with Muhammad, though in some ways, Islam was less effective because it presented a Final Narrative but no Iconography. As Muhammad as the Final Prophet could not be represented as an icon(such would have been wicked idolatry), there was only the Word of the Prophet and the Wail of the faithful. Christianity was a picture book with both words and pictures. Islam was just a book of words, mostly narrative and far less iconography.

    Anyway, Jews decided to define the End of Iconarrativity in the Liberal Democratic world order. The favored icons came to be the Holy Three: Jews, Homos, and Negroes. The reasons are obvious. Jews chose themselves of course. Jews chose Negroes because Negroes are profitable to Jews in sports, entertainment, and sex industry. Also, Jews know that Negroes are the most potent force against whites. Why this need to browbeat and tame whites? Jews know that their supremacy depends on white submission to Jews. To make whites submit, they must be made to feel guilty and inferior. By invoking black slavery, Jews play on 'white guilt', thus paralyzing white pride and autonomy. And by promoting black prowess in sports, music, and sex, Jews turn white males into cucky-wuck wussies and turn white women into jungle feverish whores. No other race is as effective in undermining white pride and unity. Take American Indians. Due to the 'genocide' of the red man, whites could be baited with guilt about what they did to Indians, not least because genocide is worse than slavery. But because Indians are not a huge factor in sports, sex, and music, they are not effective as a weapon against white male pride and white women's loyalty to white men. So many white girls are now hooked to imitating blacks, 'twerking', worshiping black athletes, and creating sons who look and act like Colin Kaepernick.
    As for homos, Jews chose them because both groups have something in common as high-achieving, neurotic, and arrogant elite minorities. Also, both are obsessed with entertainment, arts and ideas, gossip, and game of power. Jews have chutzpah, and homos have aristo flair. Also, as homos are flamboyant and fun-fun-fun, Jews know homo idolatry adds color and fanfare to globalism: The homo-rainbow and endless displays of homo and tranny exhibitionism. Jews also see Homo-Worship as useful weapon against Christianity and inverting traditional & normal goy values. And as every nation has its share of homos, Jews figure on recruiting and training queers in every nation as their useful toadies and allies. Also, by hyping the 'plight' of homos, the globo-homo empire morally justifies itself as a promoter of 'human rights'. Why do we need a new cold war with Russia? Uh... it doesn't have massive homo 'pride' parades. (As for Christian bakers who've had their lives destroyed because they won't make 'gay' wedding cakes? They don't count because the End of Iconarrativity trumps the End of History, or Homo Supremacism trumps freedom of conscience for bakers who refuse to participate in something vile and immoral because, after all, 'gay marriage' desecrates true marriage by associating marriage with homo fecal-penetration and tranny-penis-cutting.) US may be a 'liberal democracy' but one that worships a certain Iconarrativity that consecrates Jews, Negroes, and Homos as the holiest peoples. The globo-homo trinity of Jews, Negroes, and Homos is designed to be permanent. It doesn't matter what Jews, blacks, and homos do from now on. Jews are forever the Holy Holocaust People, Blacks are forever the Tragic Slavery People, and Homos are forever the Angelic Saints sprinkling 'rainbow' magic on us. Consider how Jews today act like Judeo-Nazis and have gone out of their way to confirm just about every 'antisemitic' trope and then some, but we are supposed to think of all Jews as Anne-Franks-Forever. The End of Iconarrativity demands it. https://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2015/2/8/in-these-very-moments-the-protocols-are-being-rewritten Or consider all the black violence, thuggery, and nastiness. But we are supposed to see black reality forever through the narrative prism of TO KILL A MOCKING BIRD. Jussie Smollett was trying to pull a Mockingbird in the age of Gangsta Rap and out-of-control black thuggery.
    This is why we can't talk honestly about Jewish power and corruption. This is why we can't have a honest discussion about black crime and violence. This is why we must pretend homos are holy victims when, in fact, HIV was the result of massive homo-fecal-penetration among obsessive fruitcakes ramming any pair of buns in sight. The End of Iconarrativity(as devised by Jews) fixed Jews, blacks, and homos as noble, holy, and magical for all time. They are like 'made men' in the Mafia.

    If Middle America wants to bring down Uppermost America, it must surgically perform brain surgery and expose what's inside and how it works to control the world. It must do a Hannibal Lecter on the nerve center of Top America. Indeed, this was why Upper America took out Alex Jones. Granted, Jones was a sloppy surgeon and often a quack, but his scalpel did sometimes touch on the nerves of the globo-homo elites.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTD_ts1Q_-M

    We must explode the Myth of American Liberal Democracy. While Fukuyama may have been right that the end of the Cold War was a triumph of liberal democracy over communism, he foolishly assumed that Idea or Ideal would determine the future. No, the fact is ideas are always shaped by individuals and identities. Why did Khrushchevism deviate from Stalinism? Why did Maoism deviate from Sovietism? Why did Castroism deviate from European communism? All were Marxist-Leninist but varied greatly according to individuals and identities involved. Indeed, notice what Dengism did to Maoism, and what Gorbachevism did to Brezhnevism. All these people were trained in communism as the End of History, but they still managed to reshape the ideology in profoundly different ways. This is even truer of Liberal Democracy. At least communism had a core set of tenets and dogma, which made deviation and heresy difficult except at the very top. In contrast, Liberal Democracy is generic and bland as a idea. It just ensures there shall be freedom of competition under the rule of law. But what happens when a particular group is so successful that it comes to control and corrupt the rule of law? That's been the outcome of Liberal Democracy since the end of the Cold War. Jews outpaced everyone else in the competition and gained dominant positions in media, academia, high tech, finance, law firms, law courts, vice industries like gambling, and deep state. Furthermore, Jews knew that the best way to secure their power for the long haul was to shield Jewishness from criticism. But how could this be done in a Liberal Democracy that is all about free speech and honest discussion of power? After all, isn't liberal democracy all about the freedom of conscience to speak truth to power, esp to the uppermost power? This is where the End of Narrative and Iconography became so crucial for the Jews. Unless Jews could close and seal(or 'terminalize') the Iconarrativity to fix Jews as permanently holy, perceptions about Jews could go from positive to negative depending on future Jewish behavior and/or historical revisions of Jewish-Goy relations. Without the End of Iconarrativity, new icons and narratives could emerge to challenge and topple the favored iconarrative status of Jews, e.g. Palestinians as the new holy victim group and Jews as the new supremacist group corrupted by excess wealth and power.
    As people are quasi-spiritual(even in a modern secular liberal democracy) and hunger for sacred cows of some kind, Jews used academia, media, and the state to 'sacralize' Jews as the holy holocaust people, the Anne Frank people, the Schindler's List people FOR ALL TIME. Holocaust Movies now constitute a genre of its own, like Biblical movies of old. Also, the Jewish End of Iconarrativity has fixed Israel as not just another foreign nation but the 'greatest ally of the US' forever and ever and ever(like Jack Torrance in THE SHINING has been made to feel a special connection to the Overlook Hotel forever and ever and ever by the evil ghosts). What the Soviet-Chinese commie cabal did to Frank Sinatra and his men in THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, Jewish power has done to US goy elites and masses who so mindlessly spout "Israel is the best, kindest, most wonderful, most holy, most super, most everything awesome under the sun, and the greatest ally of the US forever and ever."

    https://youtu.be/9QtrnfR8JlE?t=218

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIiOXff8A5Y

    Jews also used cuck-churches to spread the notion that it is God Himself who wills Americans to support Zionist bashing of subhuman Palestinians. So, criticism of Israel isn't merely political dissent but downright spiritual heresy. Of course, Jews exploit the stupidity of Evangelicals who are both pigheaded in their militancy and sappy in their sentimentality.
    Since Jewish power became the biggest power but also one that no one must criticize, it grew ever more corrupt. Indeed, it isn't far-fetched to say the US is currently a Jewish gangster-fascist state(as opposed to a sane humanist-fascist state). Just like the so-called MSM obsesses more about fictional 'hate crimes' against 'innocent' blacks than about all the black-on-white crime and violence, it is more outraged by the slightest criticism of Jewish Power than by all the Jewish-supremacist hatreds against whites, Christians, Palestinians, Iranians, Libyans, Russians, and etc. Also, Jews claim to be against 'Islamophobia' but conveniently overlook the fact that it was all these Wars for Israel that have destroyed the lives of countless Muslims.

    Now, Jews managed to pull this off with their control of ideology but there was another key factor. The problem with ideology is it comes with core tenets and principles that obey a certain logic. It can be a double-edged sword for those who wield it. Ideology is a thought-system, and as such, discrepancy or hypocrisy between what is said and what is done is often apparent. Jeremy Corbyn is a leftist ideologue, and as such, tries to be fair to both Jews and Palestinians on IDEOLOGICAL grounds. After all, if leftist logic is about opposing supremacism and favoring equal dignity for all, then the UK should not be supporting the Zionist-imperialist project in West Bank. While ideology is often abused, it comes with a rulebook, and it isn't difficult to discern the contradictions between what the power says and what it does. This is why Jewish Power understands that ideology alone isn't enough to guard their power. (The reason why Jews were more effective in persuading Protestants than Catholics is because the former, having forsaken the 'idolatry' of the Catholic Church, came to be defined more by words and credo of faith than by rituals, symbols, and icons. Therefore, Jews could point to the logical flaws in what the Protestants preached and what they actually practiced. In contrast, as Catholicism was heavily laden with iconography and ritualism, it was more impervious to logical arguments. You can't argue against wine, wafer, and holy water. Jews figured, "Use protestantist logic against goyim, use catholicist iconography to shield Jewish power.)
    This is why Jews mastered the art of advertising and used its methodology in all their endeavors and projects. Thus, Ad-driven-ideology or 'Adeology' became the primary means by which Jews promoted themselves and gained control over others. If Jews had mainly emphasized the ideology of anti-supremacism(to invalidate white or goy supremacism) but then also pressured white folks to support Zionist imperialism over Palestinians, people will come to think more like Philip Giraldi or Ron Paul who find troublesome moral inconsistency in what Jews preach and what they practice. After all, why does the US claim to stand for egalitarian principles but then support the blatant Jewish supremacism over West Bank and wage all these insane Wars for Israel? Also, if sanctity of Jewishness is premised on having been victimized by evil Nazism, why are Jewish globalists allied with Neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Ideology has its dangers as an intellectual straitjacket, but it still works according to a certain set of rules and logic.
    In contrast, advertising bypasses logic and reason. It works instantly or immediately, mainly via the subliminal power of association. After all, most ads are just pictures in magazines or short commercials on TV(some lasting 15 sec or less). If ads are so simple and short, why are they so damned effective in swaying millions, even billions, of people? Because of the psychological power of association. It's like the Albert Brooks as the ad guy in LOST IN AMERICA yammering about how Christmas can be associated with Las Vegas. His pitch came to fruition --reality now imitates jokes like life used to imitate art -- in America, but then, Christmas was long ago associated with crass materialism by the power of advertising.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2q0HemaFs

    The scene in LOST IN AMERICA is silly, but it conveys a real truth about the power of Advertising-as-Ideology or Advertising-over-ideology, or 'Adeology'. The human mind naturally seeks patterns, rhymes, parallels, associations. Why do so many people purchase certain products? Are all those shampoos really all that good? Or is it because the commercial associates the products with beautiful people and celebrities? Why should people buy a certain brand of cereal or pair of shoes? For many people, the main appeal is the product's association with some famous person or athlete. Now, Air Jordans aren't going to improve anyone's athletic skills, let alone turn him into a Michael Jordan, but kids who wear that stuff feel associated with Michael Jordan, as if there is a meeting of spirits through shoe-wear.
    Or consider how Americans came to associate gambling with moral redemption. By doling out casinos to Indian Reservations as a form of 'reparation', the ugly vice became associated with redressing historical tragedies. Thus morally laundered, gambling could be promoted in all 50 states as a virtue industry than a vice industry.
    So many Americans have come to support Israel mindlessly because of the power of Zionist 'Adeology'. At AIPAC conferences, giant screens blare with images juxtaposing the US flag with the Israel flag. And the speeches say little about real politics or history and instead run like Ad campaigns with slogans and jingles formulated to be soundbites quoted by the compliant MSM. "Israel is America's closest ally", "Israel is America's greatest ally", "America stands with Israel", etc. People who come under the spell of such barrage no longer need to think. For them, Zionism works like the greatest soap commercial.
    Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays understood the power of advertising as the neo-iconography of the post-religious age. For most of traditionalist history, the dominant images or ideas were associated with eternal themes or mighty rulers. In European history from 500 to 1900, the most dominant(and recurring) images were those of Jesus and other Christian icons. In the Muslim world, the dominant images were Islamic symbols. In the Hindu world, it was Hindu images and symbolism. But with the rise of consumerism, the dominant images became consumer products and entertainment, a fact all-too-well understood by Andy Warhol. Since products-as-products are a bit boring, advertising associated products with famous stars, glamorous celebrities, or gorgeous fashion models. And in time, even TV shows and movies were like extended commercials with fancy cars, dress, products, and glam lifestyles. Advertising Companies gained the top power, possibly even over Hollywood, as the main idol-and-icon-generators. It's like people pay just as much attention to Superbowl commercials as to the Superbowl game itself. Indeed, after the game is over, there is more discussion of the ads than of the game that is over and done with.

    Anyway, naturally The Power is going to use 'Adeology' to favor its own agenda. Notice the sheer paucity of Palestinian narrative or iconography in the media. Last year was the 70th anniversary of Nakba Pogroms, but there was virtually no mention of the term in the media and government. (If any politician in Congress had requested a moment of silence to commemorate the tragedy, he would have been lynched and destroyed by the entire Jewish Power Complex.) In contrast, politicians, media people, and etc. have spouted off a million times about not only Israel but Israel-as-America's-greatest-ally. Americans never see an image of the US flag juxtaposed with the Palestinian flag, but we've all seen countless images of the Israel flag associated with US flag.
    Humans take pride in being creatures of reason(unlike stupid animals), but most times, we sense reality by instant-associations than by logical reason. If this weren't true, commercials would have little impact on us. Advertising has tremendous sway over us because our minds are essentially Pavlovian. (Indeed, even when we know commercials are mostly BS on the rational level, we are affected by them on the subliminal and sensual level.) Just like dogs can be made to associate bells with food even though bells and food have no direct relation, our minds can be made to associate anything with anything. They can be made to associate the vice of gambling with the virtue of historical redress. They can be made to associate Zionism with the Holocaust. Even though Zionism predated WWII by 70 yrs and even though Israel was created AFTER World War II in which Evil Nazi Germany was totally crushed, we've been led to believe Israel was an existential necessity to save Jews from the Holocaust. Associate Israel with the Holocaust enough times, and people begin to believe the two are inseparably linked. But it's a bogus association because, if Jews really needed a safe space after the horrors of WWII, Palestine was a rather odd place for a Jewish homeland as Jews would be surrounded by tons of enraged Arabs. Also, if the lesson of the Holocaust is that racial supreamcism is bad, how does it justify Zionism's ideology of Jews uber Palestinians?
    But the associative power of 'Adeology' distracts us from moral logic and historical reason. Just repeat, "Israel is America's greatest ally" while staring at an image of the US flag and the Israel flag melding into one. Even a cursory glance at the news media makes it clear as day that they're hardly distinguishable from advertising. Media are owned by super-rich people who invest huge sums in certain politicians, agendas, or movements. Why would they undermine their own investments in business, politics, and society by allowing the media to be rational, fair, and impartial in their pursuit of truth? Carlos Slim didn't invest in NYT to have it counter his agenda. Jeff Bezos didn't buy Washington Post to have it rail against him and Amazon. Jews didn't spend billions on media ownership to spread news and views that might undermine the Jewish supremacist project. George Soros doesn't fund all these 'universities' to foster free thought that might conclude that Soros is a son of a bitch and globalism sucks. So, most of media work just like advertising. Media carefully vet the kind of reporters who will be good dogs. Indeed, the conditioning happens from grade-school to college as the Media-and-Academia-Combine(controlled by Jews) target kids for indoctrination and 'idolatration' from the youngest age possible.
    Most of MSM is just propaganda or Ad-wars for the Deep State that takes its orders from Jewish Power. Mass Media are Jewish-controlled industry colluding with Deep State operatives who are mostly either Jewish or goy-puppets of Jews. Jewish Power is about network tyranny. There is no single Jew who is all-powerful like Stalin or Mao. Even super-rich Jews like Bloomberg and Adelson, on their own, could do only so much. But Jewish power is vast and networked in elite institutions and industries, and Jews have developed an instinctive tribal-supremacist hive-mindset that allows for synchronized coordination even without communication. For example, if a politician condemns the US involvement in Syria, so many Jews in media, academia, state, law firms, Hollywood, and etc, all think and feel alike: Syria is ally of Iran, enemy of Israel. For Israel's interests, Syria must be ruined. Anyone defending Syria must be destroyed. Even without talking with one another, most Jews instantly know what-is-up and what-must-be-done. So, instantly, the Jewish hive-action kicks into gear in all sectors to attack the defender of Syria. Now, Jews will not come out and admit this is how they feel and why they do what they do, but they all KNOW. They (((know))), and based on that hive-mind knowledge, they read from The Script to push the Jewish supremacist agenda. Of course, for general consumption(by us goy dummies), Jews in media, academia, state, and etc. will repeat the same talking points about 'Assad murders his own people', 'Assad uses gas', 'Assad is puppet of Putin', and 'Syria is a threat to Israel'(even though it's Israel that has been violating Syrian air space and dropping tons of bombs). But deep down inside, Jews know it's all about securing Jewish supremacism in the Middle East.

    Now, returning to the problem of Middle America, one of its essential tasks must be the development of the Middle Mind. In a normal political order, the Middle usually goes about their daily routines and elects leaders to represent them and do the Big Stuff. They leave the policies and planning to the elites and elected officials. And the US used to have a functional elite system when white politicians paid heed to white voters(though, to be sure, politicians were always whores of oligarchs and moneymen; but then, white oligarchs of the past felt greater affinity with others of their race). Today, capitalist oligarchs are globo-homo freaks whose main attachment is to the class of super-achievers and super-rich all around the world. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are closer and feel cozier with billionaires and fancy elites around the world than with the lower members of their own race.
    People have forgotten that white race-ism did wonders for peoples all around the world, though often unintentionally. Race-ism forced white elites to favor their own folks over non-white elites. So, the British Empire was about the British elites favoring poor whites and working class whites as fellow countrymen than favoring non-white elites. Traditional British were obsessed with class, but they still favored race-ism over class-ism. Race-ism forced white elites to represent, defend, and feel loyal to their own racial kin and folks. It forced a certain socialism as noblesse oblige on the white elites.
    This had a great impact on non-whites as well. Non-white elites were tempted to dump most of their own kind(as the masses of any society are 'losers' and 'dummies') and cozy up to white elites. So many Hindu and Chinese elites were more than willing to collaborate with European imperialism and dilly-dally with white elites. But when push came to shove, European imperialist elites favored race-ism over class-ism. British elites favored British masses over non-white elites, and French elites favored French masses over non-white elites. This 'insult' and slight had an ennobling effect on non-white elites. Snubbed by race-ist white elites, they also took up the banner of nationalist race-ism and championed their own peoples against the white imperialist elites. This led to the great anti-imperialist and pro-nationalist Third World movements. White elites were with white masses, and non-white elites were with their own masses. Thus, the world politics came to be about the masses looking up to their own elites as national defenders and champions. Like how the Vietnamese came to regard Ho Chi Minh, how the Indians came to regard Gandhi, and how Cubans came to regard Castro. (If the British elites hadn't discriminated against men like Gandhi, the latter would have become a bunch of Fareed Zakarias and Francis Fukuyamas, deracinated and traitorous Servitors of Empire. Zakaria cheers for US destruction of Syria, and Fukuyama is George Soros' boy who pushes population replacement for Hungary and Japan[though never for Israel].) The form of poly-nationalism or universal nationalism that came to prominence after WWII seemed to work just fine, but Jews came to resent it as they became the imperial elites of the US as the lone superpower. Jews loved nationalism for Israel where Jewish elites and Jewish masses were bound by history, culture, and blood. But goy nationalism was bad for the Jewish supremacist project because goy nationalism means that the primary obligation of goy elites is to their goy masses, e.g. Hungarian elites for Hungarian masses, Russian elites for Russian masses, Chinese elites for Chinese masses, white Christian American elites for white Christian American masses. This was frustrating for Jewish supremacism because it depends on goy elites serving Jewish hegemonists than representing and defending goy masses. So, Jews spread the notion that nationalism, at least among goyim, is 'far right', 'xenophobic', 'neo-nazi', 'racist', and 'exclusionary'. And Jews said all nations(except Israel) must embrace Diversity as the ultimate ideal. After all, Diversity could be used by Jews to drive a wedge between native goy elites and native goy masses. If goy elites must uphold Diversity above all, then they must prioritize the demands of foreign immigrant-invaders and minorities than the needs of their own folk. And it means that the native masses who decry Diversity and Replacement-Immigration should be denounced as 'racist' and 'xenophobic'.
    Once the goy elites have been decoupled from their goy masses, they could be used to serve the interest of Jewish super-elites. In some ways, this arrangement was appealing to white elites as well because it's more fun for elites(of any kind) to favor other elites than care about their own people. Elite-to-elite network is a community of winners. In contrast, race-ist nationalism means winners must also be concerned with losers of their own kind. Zionism is about Jewish-Israeli elites being primarily bound to Israeli-Jewish people, whereas the Irish and Swedish national policies are now about the elites being most loyal to globo-homo hegemony, snubbing & excoriating their national folk over the slightest hint of 'racism' and 'xenophobia', and rolling out the red carpet to endless tides of immigrant-invaders who holler, "Where da white women at?"
    One of the reason why Jewish globalists were eager to end communism in the Soviet Union was the system was about winners taking care of losers. Communism was a bad system and ineffective, but it did bind the Soviet elites to Soviet masses. But with communism gone, the Soviet elites could unchain themselves from the masses and scheme with Jewish globalists to make some serious dough for themselves. Of course, Jews would take the lion share of the wealth, but there was plenty to go around for the ex-Soviet goy elites who decided to roll the dice with the globalists.

    Though it may seem counter-intuitive, globalism is dangerous to all peoples precisely because it is anti-race-ist. Unlike old Western Imperialism that was race-ist and upheld the unity of white elites and white masses, globalism is about white elites handing the white masses the divorce paper(a kind of no-fault divorce) to sever ties of contract and, instead, joining the swinging-set with globo-elites all around the world. Since Western globalist elitism no longer discriminates against non-white elites, even non-white elites are abandoning their own race-ist nationalism and scrambling to join the globo-homo Elysium World of winners-to-winners networking. Nicer for rich Hindu families to raise their kids to join Elysium of winners than devote their lives to improving the lot of so many Hindu losers who still shit outdoors.
    And naturally, Jews have promoted globo-homo or Homomania as the ideology and 'idology' of the New World Order becasue (1) Jews prize homos as fellow elite minorities (2) homos are naturally aristo in style and attitude (2) homomania de-moralizes and de-culturalizes peoples and nations and promotes fads and fashions of 'Adeology' controlled by Jews.
    Needless to say, Israel gets passover privilege from globalist denunciation of nationalism and race-ism as pathology and disease. Mono-Nationalism of Zionism says Jews and only Jews are deserving of nationalism, racial identity, and unity-solidarity of elites and folks. When Jews touch nationalism, it's pure gold. When goyim touch nationalism, it is lead poisoning... so says the twisted Jewish Logic that is for Jewish Mono-nationalism and against Poly-nationalism of goy peoples.

    In a sane nation, the elites would try to moralize the populace because a moral, decent, and virtuous people are best for society. But Jews don't see goy populace as kinfolk worthy of care and concern. If anything, Jews see goy mass morality as a threat to Jewish power that is now awash in financial crookedness, vice industries, profits via pornification of mainstream culture, senseless Wars for Israel, and big pharma drug-peddling. An 'immoralized' people are less likely to be morally outraged by the filth and foulness of corrupt elites. So, Jews turned Disney into a slut-factory. (But because Disney began as a Family Entertainment Industry, its recent slut-promotion and homo-tranny propaganda are associated with 'Family Values'. More Adeology in action.) Jews promoted homomania as neo-christianity, to the point where so many Western churches now worship 'rainbow'-homo over God and Jesus. Jewish power bitches about 'hate speech'(as defined by Jewish haters who never berate Israel for its crimes) but does NOTHING about how hardcore porn is now readily accessible to young kids. There is promotion of tattoos, piercing, and sexual perversions of all kind, like 'pegging' a man by a woman with a dildo strap-on. We have news articles saying that straight men(!!) should experiment in 'gay' sex and take it up the arse. Jewish power de-moralized Americans of true morality and re-moralized them with fake morals, such as 'empowerment via slut pride', celebration of 'gay pride', promotion of trannies as 'real women', New Cold War against Russia that wants peace, endless 'hate hoaxes' concocted to promote anti-white defamation as fight-against-bigotry, stupid nonsense about 'white privilege' to distract people from Jewish privilege, 'gay marriage', and other forms of insanity. Jews would have us believe the New Normal constitutes 'universal values', but it is actually 'inversal values' as it's premised on inverting all the time-tested forms of virtue, integrity, morality, sanity, and normality.

    Middle America must develop its own mind because Upper America has called for divorce. When a man says "I divorce you" and departs, the woman must no longer expect to be taken care of by him, especially if the law say he doesn't have to give her anything. In the movie UNMARRIED WOMAN, Jill Clayburgh finally comes to take care of herself after her husband dumped her. In TWICE IN A LIFETIME, the jilted wife learns to land on her own feet after her hubber dumps her. The big fat truth of American Politics is that the white elites divorced the white middle. White Middle must learn to think for itself and fend for itself and say FU to the elites. And remember, it was the white elites that rejected the white masses, not the other way around. The problem of Middle America is it is still under the impression that there is a marriage contract between itself and white elites. It will do better to break free of this delusion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecUHFT9ezIk

    Upper White America is now just a mistress of Jewish supremacist globalist pimp, and it prefers to dilly-dally with non-white elites around the world who have also filed divorce papers to cut ties with their own national folks. Even Japanese political and business elites are giving up on their own people and preparing Japan to become another Brazil. Closer to home, look at the white elites of Canada and Australia. They will gladly dump on their own national folks and go shmoozing with Jewish elites, Chinese elites, and Hindu elites. Australian white elites will gladly sell entire swaths of national territory to Chinese and Hindu tycoons. White Canadian elites sneer at white masses and offer entire areas of their cities to Hindu, Chinese, and Muslim oligarchs and rich folks.
    Most sadly, even much of Middle America, Middle Canada, and Middle Australia(and Middle Britain of course) have been sold on globalism because everyone from top to bottom has been brainwashed with mantras of Diversity, magic of Great Negro, wonders of Holy Jew(and universal obligatory worship of holy holocaust), and globo-homo fanfare. For most people, pop culture and advertising are their only culture. And virtually everyone who attends college is brainwashed into rejecting race-ism(except for Jews), nationalism, and true moralism. They come to believe Diversity is the highest good(even though diversity is the product of imperialism), race-mixing is the panacea of all problems(even though race-mixing has usually been the product of invasion & rape and interracism is predicated on racial superiority-inferiority, e.g. white women should go with black men who are superior to white dorks in muscle, vocality, and dong size). Look at Ireland. Once proudly nationalist, 70% of its people voted to pass 'gay marriage', and the idiot masses are so enamored to have some hindu homo as prime minister.

    Of course, the white cucky-wuck elites prefer the new arrangement because the fading of nationalism and race-ism means that the native masses can no longer press upon the national elites to work for the common national good. Indeed, the very notion of shared national interest went out the window in New Ireland that is defined by More Diversity than by national identity and solidarity. So, what are Ireland and Irish interests under the globo-homo regimen where Ireland is now all about taking in tons of Africans, Muslims, and Hindus as the New Irish? It means the end of real Ireland and Irish people. Of course, Irish elites will have a grand time selling their nation down the river because they can capitalize on dilly-dallying with globalist elites of all races and colors. Winner-to-winner peer-networking. Irish have a contradictory mindset because they were both the most committed resisters against Anglo-Imperialism as well as its greatest collaborators. Even as the Irish sought to free Ireland from British Rule, the Irish followed the Anglos all over the world to colonize the New World, Asia, Africa, and etc. Today, UK and Ireland are almost indistinguishable in that both are under the globo-homo hegemony of the Empire of Judea. As such, their fates are now virtually identical and intertwined: Worship Jews, Negroes, and Homos. Open Borders and destruction of native identity. That said, the Irish worship the Jews so much that they've become, paradoxically enough, anti-Zionist(a development also evident in the British Labour Party). Irish politics and British Labour worship Jews as the Holy Holocaust people and have swallowed Jewish-led globohomo pro-diversity propaganda so totally that they are appalled by Jews acting like New Nazis in West Bank and Gaza. Jews are pulling their hair over this because they've steered themselves into a trap of their own making. After all, the position of Ireland and Labour Party is the logical conclusion of Jewish globo-homo ideology of diversity-mongering. Perhaps, the Irish and Labour Party need more doses of 'Adeology' than ideology so that they will think less about the issues and just get all teary-eyed with mantras of "Israel is our greatest ally".

    Anyway, how does Middle America develop a mind of its own? Via the internet, the dispersed world of Middle America must create networks across cities, suburbs, small towns. Across all 50 states. Middle America must drop the complacent habit of letting OTHERS do the thinking for it. It must learn to think and talk for itself. Alt Right had a chance to play this role, but idiots like Richard Spencer blew it with egomania and flirting with trashy 14/88 garbage.
    In the past, Middle America relied on figures like Rush Limbaugh to be its spokesman, but as Big Media are concentrated in few hands, most of the talking points came to be about 'lower taxes', silly sentimentality about Reagan, 'Israel, Israel, Israel', and etc. Rush Limbaugh was a huge champion of 'free trade' and globo-capitalism. He extolled winners and berated 'losers'. This 'voice of Middle America and its fruited plains' lionized super-capitalists as champions of freedom and liberty. Fast forward to today, and we now know these super-oligarchs are anti-nationalist, anti-conservative, anti-white-solidarity, and anti-freedom. It's been none other than the super-capitalists who deplatformed people, deny payment services and even banking to dissidents, and used big media to spread homomania. They use law firms to shut down free speech and go after virtuous bakers who refused to bake 'gay wedding' cakes. Also, as the 'voices of Middle America' on Talk Radio make their money from commercials paid for by globohomo super-capitalists, they don't even dare to speak truth to Homo power or Jewish power. They're a bunch of pathetic cucks.

    Now, if Middle America had all the time in the world, it should work patiently to study hard and work itself into elite domains, just like the 60s radicals did in the 'long march through the institutions'. But there is no time for this. Demographics are changing too fast. So, Middle America must make its voices heard from where it is, the Middle. This would have been impossible in the past, but with the right tools and organization an authentic Middle American voice can be created via the internet. A media network that links all places, from biggest cities to smallest towns.
    Even though the internet is accessible to all peoples and places, there has yet to be a unified platform that consolidates and connects all of Middle America into a Mind and Mouth of its own that is truly independent of puppet-strings of the globo-homo oligarchs and their commissars and agents.

    First of all, there must be a war of terminology. Those who control terminology rig the game to favor their own ideology and agenda. Take a term like 'homophobia' that intrinsically favors the homo agenda because the very wording assumes that there is such a thing as phobia about homos when there isn't. There is a lot of negative feelings about homos, but it's not a phobia, an extreme panicked fearful reaction to something that is harmless. People who are turned off by homosexuality have sound, natural, and moral reasons. I mean it's about guys f***ing each other in the ass. Even if we tolerate such stuff, it is ugly, gross, and disease-prone. But the term 'homophobia' rigs the discourse in favor of homomania by assuming that anyone who is critical of or turned off by homosexuality is suffering from a clinical pathology. Or take the utter corruption of term 'antisemitism' that now means speaking the most obvious truths about Jewish Power. Even honest Tru-Semitism, or truthful criticism about Jewish influence, is shouted down as 'antisemitic', a term associated with Nazis and the like.

    Anyway, Middle America is finished unless it develops a mind and mouth of its own. It must first wake up and read the divorce papers signed by white elites who chose to pimp themselves to Jewish super-elites and join in the globo-homo elite orgy. Just look at Justin Trudeau, the Man for All Costumes, and Emmanuel Macron, the Negro hugger who says real Frenchness is in Africa, implying France must take in endless numbers of stronger and donger black guys who will beat up weaker French guys and hump French women.
    White elites handed divorce papers to white folks. They are now in 'free love' dalliance with Diversity. Understanding this, White people and Middle America must tell themselves every day, "White elites are NOT our elites. They are globo-homo whores of Zion. They are swingers, not loyal spouses to the national folk." Understanding this truth, white people and Middle America must decide that, because white elites no longer feel any sense of obligation to white masses, the white masses in turn should feel zero loyalty to white elites. So, if white elites make any demand on white masses, give them the middle finger or the Middle American Finger... just like Yellow Jackets in France are telling Macron to go to hell. Why should white masses serve the power, privilege, wealth, and status of white elites when scum like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos just shi* on them? The hell with globohomo 'free trade' capitalism. Middle America or 'Kansas'(of "What's the Matter with Kansas" by Thomas Frank) should turn Social-Nationalist and say FU to the rich and affluent. Rush Limbaugh assured his listeners that the rich and successful would defend liberty and freedom of all the people from the State, but it turns out that the rich, especially Jewish ones, are spearheading efforts to take away our speech, our rights, and our guns. Via hyper-capitalism, they gain monopoly over media and platforms and treat the masses like Israel treats Palestinians in West Bank. Middle America was told that capitalism is great because profits and self-interest bring together even peoples who don't see eye to eye ideologically or tribally. Business means profits, and that means anyone will sell to anyone for more money, thus assuring co-existence of all peoples on the basis of business interests. But look how the big capitalists collude with the Deep State to shut down even banking and payment systems to certain individuals and groups. Look at the vile Jewish supremacist efforts to shut down BDS and free speech that calls for justice for Palestinians. Jewish capitalists fund politicians to proscribe the rights of Palestinian-Americans and their sympathizers. Look at Tim Cook that vile scum who speaks of 'sin' -- funny talk from a guy whose life revolves around taking penises up his poopchute -- and how Apple must censor anyone hated by Zionists who murder Palestinians. Limbaugh couldn't have been more wrong. Libertarianism was one big fraud that, boiled down to essentials, means the those with most money and biggest monopolies can use their muscle to do just about anything.

    Middle America or Middle FINGER America must ask why it must support Jews against Palestinians(and Wars for Israel) when Jewish Power treats whites like Zionists treat Palestinians. Middle Finger America must break free from fat fartbags like John Hagee who has poisoned countless minds with blind worship of Jews and Israel(even though all polls show that Jews hate and despise white Evangelicals even more than Muslims). And if white cuck elites bitch and complain about how Middle Finger America isn't sufficiently loyal to the GOP(that snubbed white people who voted for it in favor of globo-homo hegemony), it should do a Janet Jackson on them and ask "What have you done for me lately?" As white elites declared divorce on white masses, they have no right to demand loyalty from white people. When white elites collaborate with Jewish super-elites to replace white folks and turn all of US into one big California, why should white masses do anything for white elites(who suck up to Jews than serve their own race)?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16EWAXwh94

    Wow breathtaking! However, besides minor quibbles about the essay (thanks very much for taking the time to type it all) I mostly agree with it. And I am assuming barring the usual detractors, most will agree with the premise of what you wrote. I normally do not comment here all too often as it looks futile to do so at this late stage. The comments section is intellectually fulfilling and at times quite entertaining, especially the take downs of pompous zio-detractors and their likes. But beyond that it serves not much purpose

    However what got me commenting now is the fact that reality is finally dawning on the ‘alt-right’ hopefuls that being good citizens and conceding one thing after another will never cut it for us. This thread by AE is testimony of that. And yes the current ruling elites in the world no longer have even a modicum of consciousness about race or ethnicity. However that doesn’t mean all of them are pozzed to the same extent. Although I can attest to the fact that globo-homo has it’s sights set for the entire planet now. It wants to sully normality everywhere just as it has done in the west with all the gender bender non sense and promotion of faggotry and worship of the diseased mind [and body] as normal and ‘woke’. Let me give you an example below:

    I am a recruiter for my company and frequently travel to Poland, India and Malaysia where we have big tech centers of excellence. The tier of the company, like most tech companies now, is heavily invested into all forms of ‘woke’ enlightenment and wants to shove it down people’s throats, whether they like it or not. We already have internal regulations regarding transphobia and gender fluidity and all sorts of non-sense one can imagine.
    So as expected, some of our US offices have very few to no cis gender restrooms at all. The top management wanted to export this piece of woke enlightenment abroad and pursued discussions with local stakeholders abroad. Almost all three showed very different resistance levels. Poland (a putative catholic nation), though much more based than the US, showed the least resistance [among the three] with India showing the most [a conservative Hindu nation]. Ironically Malaysia [a putatively progressive Muslim nation] was somewhere in the middle. Thankfully the project never went too far and unfortunately 1 gender neutral restroom came to be installed in our Krakow office with both India and Malaysia opting out. Good for them. But it just means that globo-homo is relentless and will pursue it’s dream of no culture, gay “rights”, unrestrained sexuality and everything that is dark and unsavory to the ends of the world. Stubborn holdouts like Afghanistan would be taken out using the US military if need be

    However, now we are getting to the meat of the matter which compels me to comment and have a discussion. How many of us are seriously doing the red-pilling of the muscle of our “elites”. Their mindless drones who are mostly one of us? Law enforcement? The poor lads of the south who volunteer with pride for their country only to become foot soldiers of the devil himself? Has anyone given any serious thought about that? This being a public forum, you may wish to keep this under wraps but please understand that unless that starts happening, the movement can never grow beyond being an online tavern for ravaged souls like ours for whom the dystopia is too much to swallow and have to visit here from time to time, just so we can keep our sanity

  121. @Rosie
    All very interesting.

    Score 1 for Rosie against the blame-women crowd. Naive hyperindividualism considerably predates women's suffrage doesn't it?

    Naive hyperindividualism considerably predates women’s suffrage doesn’t it?

    To be honest, even though these men were aware of Muslims in their midst – it is estimated that 1/4-1/3 of the slaves brought over were Muslim – if you look at the language of the debate and conclusions, it still seems like they are talking about their progeny becoming Hindu or Muslim or infidel. It’s not clear they were intending to be mixing it up it up with a bunch of guys from China or India.

    But yes, these notions predate women’s suffrage.

    Peace.

  122. “No one is going to stand up for Middle America. Either Middle America stands up for itself, or it’s finished.”

    White normies have been standing up, making their own decisions about race and culture. You just simply do not like the result.

    • Replies: @iffen
    You just simply do not like the result.

    I think that AE is happier that Trump won rather that Hil.
    , @A.B. Prosper
    This seems to be true in my neck of the woods and I live in California. Mostly we just politely ignore each other on a social basis with some exceptions and help fellow nationals out a bit more.

    That said in order for middle American to get power, they have to want it first. They really don't and other than the anti abortion movement just want to be left alone and to not take responsibility for anything

    Hell people barely want marriage or kids , the later they haven't wanted much in near fifty years

    An actual correction whether by lead or by some other means requires a will to power that people lack. This almost certainly includes our President who just wants an America for his kids where his style of business can work and maybe a feather in his cap

    That isn't the kind of ruthless mindset required to make a nation bow to a will.

    The Left might have that but they also won't get to keep it for a lot of reasons.

    Long term though Europe is a million times better off than we are, they have willpower and you can always get weapons, you can't get will
  123. @Corvinus
    "No one is going to stand up for Middle America. Either Middle America stands up for itself, or it’s finished."

    White normies have been standing up, making their own decisions about race and culture. You just simply do not like the result.

    You just simply do not like the result.

    I think that AE is happier that Trump won rather that Hil.

  124. @Rational
    THE FIRST THING WE CAN DO—CANCEL ALL MEDIA SUBSCRIPTIONS, AND THROW AWAY THE TV.

    Audacious, your point is correct.

    I see many people (whites included) have a habit of turning on the TV first thing in the morning, and leave it on the whole day.

    With all the left-wing lies they are vomit on the TV, non-stop, it makes me sick. So I threw away my TV. I can now eat dinner in peace.

    90% of the media (TV and print) is Jewish owned, and its purpose is to brainwash the goyim into self destruction. The whole day, they are spewing fake news, fake scandals they manufacture, and attacking Trump, whites, and glorifying Israel, black thugs, and showing a black thug throw a ball at a black thug (sports) white gullible white girls jump up and down, to fool the public that this sick behavior is okay, and others are doing it, so they must let their white daughters go jump up and down if a black throws a ball at a black thug.

    The whole day, they are preying on whites, showing loose white girls with black thugs as “family”, etc. while they call blacks monkeys in Israel.

    Eg, a Jewish rag called Gentleman’s Quarterly (GQ), published an article recently again lying that the attack on the black gay actor Jussie Smollett was by the alt-right, though it was certainly a hoax.

    (GQ is owned by Judaists, Conde Nast and now the Newhouse family.) The purpose of the fake article was to incite blacks to exterminate whites, and carry out the race war for them, by proxy.

    Your small town newspaper with white editors and white writers may actually be owned by Judaists in New York and publishes Jewish written anti-white lies under goyim names of fake writers whose name is simply licensed for use.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Newhouse-family

    To brainwash southerners, he even has a fake mag called Southern Living where Southern white girls names are used to brainwash Southerners into anti-white hate.

    “90% of the media (TV and print) is Jewish owned, and its purpose is to brainwash the goyim into self destruction.”

    You face quite the dilemma here. If we are to assume that whites are easily manipulated, then they are not this high IQ, high time preference people that you claim to be. They should be easily able, with their apparent superior intellect, to see right through the “con” game of the Jewish boob tube. But, as you say, white people are being “brainwashed”, and in effect, have lost any semblance of thinking for themselves.

    So, on one hand, white people are duped quite effectively; on the other hand, white people are a hardy, spirited bunch who can’t wait to go all “Saxon” in the upcoming civil war. The reality is that you can’t have both here.

    Of course, the fact of the matter is that white people generally do not buy what you are selling, that the tele-Joo-vision has warped their brains (but some not your own noggin’).

  125. @Rosie

    Who controls the majority of consumer spending decisions?

    Why are our boycotts ineffective?
     
    You have got to be kidding. That is no doubt the most pathetic attempt at pinning the blame on women I have ever seen.

    Our boycotts don't work because the media hate us and will not boost our grievances. Moreover, people have very short attention spans.

    Considering the ongoing death of retail, I’m not sure that boycotts matter much.

    The economy is imploding all on its own with retail stores closing left right and back and while Amazon is certainly getting a chunk of that, a lot of that simply stuff not being bought

    Some is tech, the Internet has rendered a lot of media like C.D. and D.V.D.’s obsolete taking out many of the associated jobs.

    Some is cultural, with low marriage rates and incredibly low fertility, all the business associated with that get hit hard. I’ve seen very nice synthetic sapphire jewelry on sale for $30 bucks. The hell of that is not affordable for many

    There are other things, drugs being a big one, inflation is larger than most see but the bulk of the rest is simple poverty, wages have been pushed low but housing hasn’t been allowed to fall

    It should not take 100 hours of work to afford a one bedroom apartment at minimum wage . The normal custom was full time minimum wage for a week gets you an efficiency . That’s around $280-$480 in theory, problem is the efficiency is $700 in cheap California . More in cities where the jobs are.

    This plus school debt means no babies. Even the Latino TFR is low at 1.8

    The thing about this is that the usual money printing shenanigans the people in charge won’t work to paper over anything and sooner than later , the house of cards will bite it.

    This is why the Reds are back out in force. Its classic Marxism , capital cuts wages at all costs destroys the market, Communism steps in .

    And anyone hoping for a military counter to that is SOL, the Military will follow orders. Maybe not as far as Venezuela but they will follow them

    Behave socially or be socialized

  126. @Audacious Epigone
    Your story really fleshes out the magnitude of the problem. Stephen Miller captured it in Trump's Poland speech--the question of the 21st century is whether or not the West has the will to survive.

    France does. Our media being heavily censored won’t cover it but the French Les Deplorables in the form of the Gillete Jaunes is pushing that nation hard in the correct direction

    That movement and large numbers of other identitarian movements are spreading in every nation in Europe

    Europe might end up Socialist and Nationalist but that is their choice and it probably works better for them than Neo Conservative /Economic Liberalism does for us

    Now the US will not survive as a nation. This is not an issue of immigration though that is a huge part of it its actually our character

    The US has no reason to exist other than political inertia and wealth extraction

    The only reasons it hasn’t fallen apart yet are money is still flowing and our rather pathetic rebel class

    The US Right has plenty of weapons and the skill to make a hell of an insurgency but they lack the ability to actual lead or be lead.

  127. @Corvinus
    "No one is going to stand up for Middle America. Either Middle America stands up for itself, or it’s finished."

    White normies have been standing up, making their own decisions about race and culture. You just simply do not like the result.

    This seems to be true in my neck of the woods and I live in California. Mostly we just politely ignore each other on a social basis with some exceptions and help fellow nationals out a bit more.

    That said in order for middle American to get power, they have to want it first. They really don’t and other than the anti abortion movement just want to be left alone and to not take responsibility for anything

    Hell people barely want marriage or kids , the later they haven’t wanted much in near fifty years

    An actual correction whether by lead or by some other means requires a will to power that people lack. This almost certainly includes our President who just wants an America for his kids where his style of business can work and maybe a feather in his cap

    That isn’t the kind of ruthless mindset required to make a nation bow to a will.

    The Left might have that but they also won’t get to keep it for a lot of reasons.

    Long term though Europe is a million times better off than we are, they have willpower and you can always get weapons, you can’t get will

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Good comments.
  128. I think the left is winning because they use words very effectively.

    Firstly, they produce catchy concepts (memes), secondly they invoke moral superiority with their (rousing) memes (it’s just wrong, that’s not who we are), thirdly they set their memes in a word salad of psychobabble; when interviewed they don’t stop talking, leading people to believe they are stupid if they don’t follow the illogical stream of words.

    If conservatives could get a catchy meme out about pathological altruism, then sane-but-confused people might start wondering why they are so impressed by SJWism. Nobody wants to be considered pathological.

    • Replies: @iffen
    meme out about pathological altruism

    What is your plan to convince people that altruism is bad? Guilt by association?

    altruism-good
    pathological-bad

    pathological altruism-good/bad?

  129. @helena
    I think the left is winning because they use words very effectively.

    Firstly, they produce catchy concepts (memes), secondly they invoke moral superiority with their (rousing) memes (it's just wrong, that's not who we are), thirdly they set their memes in a word salad of psychobabble; when interviewed they don't stop talking, leading people to believe they are stupid if they don't follow the illogical stream of words.

    If conservatives could get a catchy meme out about pathological altruism, then sane-but-confused people might start wondering why they are so impressed by SJWism. Nobody wants to be considered pathological.

    meme out about pathological altruism

    What is your plan to convince people that altruism is bad? Guilt by association?

    altruism-good
    pathological-bad

    pathological altruism-good/bad?

    • Replies: @Talha
    One of the better memes I’ve seen about incoherence:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuYsrBRXQAEQDhV.jpg

    Peace.
    , @helena
    I don't have one. I'm not creative. The word sustainable comes to mind, and the image of an open window. I'll have to give it some more thought.
  130. @iffen
    meme out about pathological altruism

    What is your plan to convince people that altruism is bad? Guilt by association?

    altruism-good
    pathological-bad

    pathological altruism-good/bad?

    One of the better memes I’ve seen about incoherence:

    Peace.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @helena
    It's quite aggressive though, isn't it. Population sizes are quite interesting and largely unknown.
  131. @iffen
    meme out about pathological altruism

    What is your plan to convince people that altruism is bad? Guilt by association?

    altruism-good
    pathological-bad

    pathological altruism-good/bad?

    I don’t have one. I’m not creative. The word sustainable comes to mind, and the image of an open window. I’ll have to give it some more thought.

    • Replies: @iffen
    The word sustainable comes to mind

    Well, put me in the group that thinks words are important.

    Anti-abortionist or pro-life?

    Sustainable altruism!

    I like it!
    , @iffen
    I think the left is winning because they use words very effectively.

    This is a real problem.

    For example, they have already named pathological altruism as effective altruism.
  132. @Talha
    One of the better memes I’ve seen about incoherence:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuYsrBRXQAEQDhV.jpg

    Peace.

    It’s quite aggressive though, isn’t it. Population sizes are quite interesting and largely unknown.

  133. @J1234

    Not only are those on our side working, but many work longer hours as entrepreneurs or salaried problem solvers who must work longer/harder to carry the baggage for the myriad incompetents in the workforce due to EEOC compliance. How many on the other side are in fact paid activists?
     
    There are elements of truth in your statement, but not enough to make a valid argument. Sorry, but the inconvenient hours of legislative hearings sounds a lot more like an excuse, and a somewhat self-absolving one at that.

    Hearings on these matters come up once every few months on these issues, at least in my state. How many salaried people take time off from work to get their car fixed or go to a doctor's appointment? Are these issues not at least as important? And since I constantly hear from all sides how the white population is aging, where are all the retired people who could be showing up at these meetings but don't for some reason? Or stay at home spouses?

    I think the real reason for many people (though I'm not implying you personally) is because of fear. Fear of being called a fascist, which I have been called. Fear of being one of only 25 people counter-demonstrating a crowd of 500 mostly illegal (and many of them hostile) immigrants marching to gain political and media advantage, which I have done.

    I don't want to portray myself as something special. I'm not. I only show up at maybe half of the events or gatherings that I could due to other obligations, but if most people who feel strongly about these issues could show up for such things a fourth or fifth of the time, our numbers would expand exponentially.

    As far as entrepreneurs, I was one for many years, and you are correct that it is extremely difficult for them to break away from day to day activities. The problem is that when I testified at our state legislature against raising the minimum wage, I was the only one in our entire state who showed up to make such testimony. Not one other small business owner among thousands (if not tens of thousands) could find the time to be there and oppose the measure. Afterwards, a reporter asked me why nobody else had shown up. I told her that activism wasn't in the nature of conservatives, but I was being diplomatic. The truth was, in part, that other businesses were fearful of being publicly portrayed as robber barons or 19th century industrialists by opposing minimum wage.

    I’m inclined to believe that the over-hyped “American spirit of rugged individualism” is a significant factor in keeping people home. Americans keep hoping for Shane to come riding into town to save them from their own inability to organized effective resistance.

  134. @A.B. Prosper
    This seems to be true in my neck of the woods and I live in California. Mostly we just politely ignore each other on a social basis with some exceptions and help fellow nationals out a bit more.

    That said in order for middle American to get power, they have to want it first. They really don't and other than the anti abortion movement just want to be left alone and to not take responsibility for anything

    Hell people barely want marriage or kids , the later they haven't wanted much in near fifty years

    An actual correction whether by lead or by some other means requires a will to power that people lack. This almost certainly includes our President who just wants an America for his kids where his style of business can work and maybe a feather in his cap

    That isn't the kind of ruthless mindset required to make a nation bow to a will.

    The Left might have that but they also won't get to keep it for a lot of reasons.

    Long term though Europe is a million times better off than we are, they have willpower and you can always get weapons, you can't get will

    Good comments.

  135. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m a die-hard Trump supporter but this was a stupid waste of time.

    For one thing, why do you need to use profanity like that? Aren’t we supposed to be opposed to degeneracy? How does it make you feel knowing that a father driving around with his kids who can read are seeing that ? I’d be seriously ticked at you.

    Also, the sign is dumb and makes you look crazy and reflects poorly on trump supporters. Don’t do retarded things like this.

  136. @helena
    I don't have one. I'm not creative. The word sustainable comes to mind, and the image of an open window. I'll have to give it some more thought.

    The word sustainable comes to mind

    Well, put me in the group that thinks words are important.

    Anti-abortionist or pro-life?

    Sustainable altruism!

    I like it!

  137. @helena
    I don't have one. I'm not creative. The word sustainable comes to mind, and the image of an open window. I'll have to give it some more thought.

    I think the left is winning because they use words very effectively.

    This is a real problem.

    For example, they have already named pathological altruism as effective altruism.

  138. @baythoven
    Here's a Middle American who acted on his principles:

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/colorado-sports-store-nike-close-kaepernick

    Not a happy story, but telling.

    Agreed. And, on a more personal note, how many of us here actually gave up buying Nike products or even dumped our Gillette razors?

    Honestly. How many?

  139. @peterAUS

    ... splitting up increasingly seems like the best way to make it work for everyone.
     
    Splitting?

    You mean "Secession"?!?!

    Confused. That's the litmus test for "cuckservatives". Well, one of them , actually.

    Now, again, re that "illegal", khm....you are aware the secession is illegal thing? We know what happened last time it was tried.

    I mean...try to do anything practical about it now and...whoah. Any state Government attempting to even start contemplating it will get into DEEP trouble.
    At the moment, that is. 4-6 years from now, who knows......

    Secession will be De Facto only, while we all pledge to support the United States as a idea, right after we get enough to eat and Diesel for the trucks. Regional food/water/shelter for survivors with a little bit of non-essential trade later.

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