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From Reuters-Ipsos polling, the percentages of non-Hispanic whites, by state, who identify politically as Republicans in a two-party distribution follow. The poll ran from January of 2016 through November of 2018 so it serves as a good measure of partisan affiliation among whites in the Trump era. The total sample for the extended survey runs to over 450,000 respondents, more than twenty times larger than the typical presidential exit poll conducted on the day of an election. Even the smallest states have four-digit sample sizes:

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State Rep%
1) Mississippi 78.2
2) Alaska 77.1
3) Alabama 76.7
4) South Carolina 72.9
5) Wyoming 70.8
6) Louisiana 70.5
7) Idaho 68.3
8) Utah 67.7
9) Texas 67.4
10) Georgia 67.2
11) Tennessee 64.6
12) North Carolina 64.4
13) North Dakota 63.2
14) Arkansas 63.0
15) Kansas 62.8
16) Nebraska 62.2
17) Oklahoma 61.3
18) South Dakota 59.4
19) Virginia 59.2
20) Missouri 58.9
21) Montana 58.7
22) Arizona 58.5
23) Indiana 57.2
24) Florida 57.1
25) West Virginia 57.1
26) Kentucky 56.1
27) Washington 55.8
28) Nevada 55.2
29) Ohio 54.9
30) Hawaii 54.1
31) New Mexico 53.9
32) Pennsylvania 52.5
33) Colorado 52.5
34) Michigan 50.5
35) Wisconsin 50.4
36) Iowa 49.6
37) Maryland 49.3
38) New Jersey 48.7
39) Illinois 47.1
40) California 46.8
41) Minnesota 46.7
42) Oregon 45.8
43) New Hampshire 45.7
44) Connecticut 44.3
45) New York 44.3
46) Delaware 43.8
47) Maine 42.0
48) Massachusetts 36.7
49) Rhode Island 35.7
50) Vermont 33.0
51) District of Columbia 17.5

What the Derb refers to as the cold civil war between goodwhites and badwhites is to a significant degree the continuation of the hot war that putatively ended 140 years ago.

Trump’s chances of reelection are slim. R-I currently shows Republicans with an 8-point advantage over Democrats among whites. In the 2016 presidential election, Trump beat Clinton by by 20 points among whites. Any backsliding on the Sailer strategy is something the president cannot afford. Many older whites who gave Trump his slim margin of victory in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin will have died by the 2020 election. This actuarial assault puts his already precarious prospects for reelection in real trouble. Additionally, the US may be in a steep economic recession by the end of 2020 with interest rates at just 2.X% instead of the 5.X% as was the case in 2008. With a decade of near-zero rates in the rear view mirror quantitative easing will lead to stagflation this time around.

Parenthetically, in anticipation of objections about biased polling, R-I had pegged Clinton winning the popular vote by 5 points instead of the 2 points she actually won it by. R-I tends to oversample Democrats and undersample the politically unaffiliated, but that’s something easily accounted for. The institution’s polling substantially informed NPI’s mid-term projections, projections that fared quite well.

 
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  1. Very happy too see you here, AE. Thanks very much to Mr Ron Unz.

  2. At this point, until proven otherwise, Trump is just a washed-up carnival barker who doesn’t realize that his act is dated and the audience has moved on.

    Oh well, I’m sure Javanka will steer him in the right direction.

    Bwa-ha-ha.

    No, kids, Israel is not the right direction, and neither is AIPAC.

    • Replies: @bomag
    The Donald has been counted out before and came back.

    The power of demographics is final, but in 2020:

    )He'll be an incumbent.

    )The Libertarians and other right leaning third party types will give him more votes as opposed to 2016's tossing a vote in the third party bucket

    )The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Ultra creepy Jared Kushner is Trump's Achilles heel.
  3. @Maple Curtain
    At this point, until proven otherwise, Trump is just a washed-up carnival barker who doesn't realize that his act is dated and the audience has moved on.

    Oh well, I'm sure Javanka will steer him in the right direction.

    Bwa-ha-ha.

    No, kids, Israel is not the right direction, and neither is AIPAC.

    The Donald has been counted out before and came back.

    The power of demographics is final, but in 2020:

    )He’ll be an incumbent.

    )The Libertarians and other right leaning third party types will give him more votes as opposed to 2016’s tossing a vote in the third party bucket

    )The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    Don't forget the fun factor. Sheer entertainment value plays a far bigger part than anyone wants to admit. The lesser of two bores, to coin a phrase.
    , @LondonBob
    Trying to scare voters about voting Trump won't have the same impact either. I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally. Looks very grim for 2024 though and I doubt a Republican will ever win again after Trump. That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway.
    , @JLK

    The Donald has been counted out before and came back. The power of demographics is final, but in 2020: )He’ll be an incumbent.
     
    I predict that Trump will have a Republican primary challenger. Several conservative "thought leaders" seem to have turned on him since the mid-terms.
    , @Z-man

    The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.
     
    From what I've seen they're all crippled.
  4. What’s that? White people tend to prefer Republicans? Too bad the Establishment Republicans of “Conservatism, Inc” can’t be bothered to return the favor. “Invade the world, Invite the world” right along with Democrats, and as though that weren’t enough they stay busy pointing and sputtering “Racism!” figuring that’ll earn them some much needed street cred with the youngsters and the rest of the Third World they’ve invited in for cheap labor.

    Donald Trump may well be a walking train wreck but at least he’s pretty much outside the corrupt two-party system. Unfortunately, as he’s discovered, he doesn’t have enough friends to populate an administration and meanwhile that system will take down anyone outside it, any way it can. Empires tend to strike back.

    • Replies: @Realist

    Donald Trump may well be a walking train wreck but at least he’s pretty much outside the corrupt two-party system.
     
    Trump is a Deep Stater. If you think not explain Bolton, Pompeo and other Deep State denizens Trump has hired.
    , @Anon
    Trump is no more of a "walking train wreck" than any number of past Presidents. You did well-recite the media's narrative, though.
  5. i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i’m baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don’t intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they’re just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.
     


    does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?
     
    You answered your own question. Mass-media propaganda is very effective, it takes many forms, and it's been working for several decades now.
    , @Bill Jones
    How do you know what they voted for?
    All you know is what you were told they voted for.
    , @SafeNow
    “...want their jobs replaced by third-worlders”

    The airline cockpit excepted; when a progressive looks into the cockpit and sees whitey, there is relief. Same when the plumber arrives to install the Democrat’s new fancy faucet. And, a troubling aspect of “the replacement” that I see here in California is that “good enough; get it basically right” can be contageous; a proficient and conscientious non-replacement person will sometimes downgrade his own work ethic, consciously or by osmosis. This map is not just electoral. It is, I would imagine, a picture of daily life: Everything unraveled, or not; being seen as a bad person to family and friends (a deplorable), or being seen as a good person.

    , @crimson2

    want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.
     
    Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you're paranoid.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point"

    You're not whistling dixie, the "brainwashing" circulating around one ominous word :

    "RACIST"

    These twisted, psychotic pseudo-edumacated folks have been hypnotized into a stupor concerning the prospect of being viewed as such, as : "Racist", they are fixated upon this expression and mesmerized into a mania in which they concentrate upon this horrendous possibility 24/7 and they will do anything to avoid the chance of being viewed as a racist, which of course starts with voting for the supposed non-racists straight down the line, regardless of what impact their choice holds for society, meaning any nut-case will be installed into office as long as he/she declare to be a non-racist, for example insane morons such as MW, out in Cal.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.
    , @the grand wazoo
    "... what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats ...?"
    It's the media and it's mind control ways.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i’m baffled.
     
    I wasn't aware Europeans were voting in any states. They must be worried that Mexicans and Hondurans won't be enough.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.
     
    They live in highly segregated areas. And somebody has to organize the mess. They see jobs in it.
    , @may mori
    Let's be honest about Yankees. In their world, government works very well because it's run by people who are naturally perservering and community-minded. They revere education and while they're overall not as overtly religious as they used to be, they still have the Calvinist dream of building a utopian society. They often can't imagine people who aren't like this, and have traditionally been incredibly condescending towards people who don't fit this ideal.

    Yankees have also always been myth writers. In the past the scholars at the elite universities used to tell stories about a melting pot; now they tell of intersectionality, where only white people are held up to their standards, while black, American Indian and Hispanic people are exempt, and these groups support them through a patronage relationship. They talk about "white privilege" because they are in general very privileged and have a disportionate impact compared to their true numbers. This effect can be seen most distinctly in North Carolina politics, where the minority of Yankee whites who relocated to Raleigh and Charlotte after the 1950s use the votes of the state's large black population to propel themselves into government positions.

    What they're really voting for is what's disparagingly called "big government". They want public education and socialised medicine and all that. In their states, these things would be run very well, with little corruption. They don't care as much about immigration, because they're generally getting the good immigrants, while the most violent ones settle elsewhere. More Chinese go to Boston, while more Salvadorans go to Houston, and I reckon it makes a difference.

    There is another big cross section of white people who like "big government", generally in the "middle America" states such as Iowa, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and so on. Despite large Republican majorities in many of these governments, they have quite high taxes which support welfare states. They just resent being considered elites who need to give something up for the sake of minorities.

    The Democratic Party doesn't really hate white people, no matter their rhetoric. The people who are really in control are the Yankee elite, no matter how many "POC" get elected to some minor office, and everyone knows it. They might be playing a dangerous game long term for a short-term political advantage, but you can't say that they have nothing to offer. They're giving their people what they want, with a few concessions tossed to their client demographics in exchange for votes.

    Also, I think it's curious that you say "most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped". It's white people who want acceptance for LGBT, especially if they're northerners and/or young. It's not imposed by a political party. It's not brainwashing. Northern white culture has a place for gays, because they can contribute to the civil service or business, and that's what matters there. It doesn't hurt that they're only 3% of the population, either.

    Hypothesis: a more anti-immigration Democratic Party based on the more traditional Yankee ideals of assimilation rather than "diversity" would dominate the entirety of the midwestern US rather than just the portion they influence now, at the risk of losing California and other southwest states. Maybe Tim Draper knows what's up.
  6. Seen, as far as possible,from the other side of the Atlantic, the USA’s ‘racial’ problems seem quite simple to me.
    My wife and I visited Florida around 2004, not understanding how to fill up the tank of my rented car in Miami I asked for help at the fuel station; I was completely ignored, speaking english. They behaved as if I was not there.
    My wife likes to shop at low prices, she went into a spanish speaking shopping mall, spoke english.
    Again, completely ignored.
    She speaks spanish reasonably well, as soon as she switched languages all was well.

    So, in my opinion the USA cultural stew has deteriorated in civil war, not yet with weapons, but with words: racist, fascist, nazi, whatever.
    Democrats are against Republicans in this civil war, white Democrats in my opinion have the illusion of eating the cake and keep it: letting in so many non whites that the Democrats can rule, at the same time being able to keep, or regain, their control over the USA.

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
    Some here in Europe see the signs, such as former member of the European Commission Bolkestein, he advises emigration to New Zealand and Australia.
    Others have the hope that the Visigrad countries, the E European countries, will keep their European cultures.

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
    Relations between Turkey and Greece are stained to this day.

    But I wonder if not the solution to the USA’s problems for whites should be a similar great population movement, within the present USA.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
     
    Wow, is that really true? What on earth stopped the authorities from aggregating the landholdings on each side and then transferring ownership? Failing that, what stopped the migrants from selling their real property and whatever else they could not take with them? Obviously there would still be massive losses, but it'd be better than nothing.

    The alternative--the spectre now facing the USA--seems more like South Africa.

    , @midtown
    Why can't western Europeans stay and fight for their lands rather than fleeing to Australia?
    , @anonymous

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
     
    Argh, the sky is falling! Help!!

    It is truly amazing how Eurapeans love and embrace Godlessness... be it, polytheism or gnosticism or atheism or the most supreme of them all, Whiteism.

    Anyway, all you greedy and godless degenerates need to do is get your evil tentacles off "3rd world" lands, pay reparations for the financial rape and plunder over the decades, and then ruthlessly expel the unwanted.

    If that is not acceptable, then white self-"genocide" is the answer. Since you spiritual losers are doing pretty well with that... just carry on.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Political dissolution, or maybe some sort of federalism although even that seems unmanageable over the long term, is the most reasonable solution at this point. The most likely impetus is the coming debt crisis which will be preceded by an economic recession more severe than 2008.

    As Steve is so fond of pointing out, the country is running out of white people--particularly children--to spread around. If movement remains entirely free, the only way white people move away is via the weather. There has been a steady movement of blacks back to the Southeast, particularly Georgia, over the last couple of decades, but that doesn't get anywhere close to addressing the problems of incompatibility.
  7. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    You answered your own question. Mass-media propaganda is very effective, it takes many forms, and it’s been working for several decades now.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    sure. +

    a saturation K-12 (or K-16) collectivist brainwash via the jew.gov indoctrination centers-alias"public schools".

    I think it's remarkable that there are still so many young hardRights out there.

    autism (cf. 4-Chan) I suppose.
  8. @jilles dykstra
    Seen, as far as possible,from the other side of the Atlantic, the USA's 'racial' problems seem quite simple to me.
    My wife and I visited Florida around 2004, not understanding how to fill up the tank of my rented car in Miami I asked for help at the fuel station; I was completely ignored, speaking english. They behaved as if I was not there.
    My wife likes to shop at low prices, she went into a spanish speaking shopping mall, spoke english.
    Again, completely ignored.
    She speaks spanish reasonably well, as soon as she switched languages all was well.

    So, in my opinion the USA cultural stew has deteriorated in civil war, not yet with weapons, but with words: racist, fascist, nazi, whatever.
    Democrats are against Republicans in this civil war, white Democrats in my opinion have the illusion of eating the cake and keep it: letting in so many non whites that the Democrats can rule, at the same time being able to keep, or regain, their control over the USA.

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
    Some here in Europe see the signs, such as former member of the European Commission Bolkestein, he advises emigration to New Zealand and Australia.
    Others have the hope that the Visigrad countries, the E European countries, will keep their European cultures.

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
    Relations between Turkey and Greece are stained to this day.

    But I wonder if not the solution to the USA's problems for whites should be a similar great population movement, within the present USA.

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.

    Wow, is that really true? What on earth stopped the authorities from aggregating the landholdings on each side and then transferring ownership? Failing that, what stopped the migrants from selling their real property and whatever else they could not take with them? Obviously there would still be massive losses, but it’d be better than nothing.

    The alternative–the spectre now facing the USA–seems more like South Africa.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Yes.
    See for example
    Henry Morgenthau, 'I was sent to Athens', New York 1929
    Mark Mazower, 'Thessaloniki - stad van geesten, Christenen, moslims en joden 1430 - 1950', 2007, geen plaats van uitgave, (2004, Salonica - City of Ghosts).
    Why ?

    In order to understand how this tragedy could happen one must know the allied Versailles and Sèvres plans for nearly completely wiping the Ottoman empire off the map.
    Atatürk resisted, he created present Turkey, in a bloody war.
    The plan was to give E Anatolia to Armenia, up to the present Syrian border, give SW present Turkey to Greece, also the European part of present Turkey, so W of the Bosporus.
    What was to remain as Turkey was a very small area around Ankara.
    At the time the deal was seen as a great victory for peace.

    Halil Gülbeyaz, ´Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Vom Staatsgründer zum Mythos’, Berlin 2004
    BTW, present Turkey is just a small part of the Ottoman empire.

    It is asserted that this deal inspired zionists, that they could accomplish something similar in or after 1948.
    , @A123
    People did sell some land, some held onto the titles in hopes of getting a better price later after the panic. And, of course, renters did not have land to sell. The bulk of the population moved without significant financial support.

    The same sort of issues were created by the separation of:
    - India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh
    - Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. Transjordan or Jordan) and Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel)

    Additional problems include:
    -- The population splits were incomplete leaving a foundation for future insurgency.
    -- Borders were irrational, economically unworkable, and militarily indefensible. Remember, Bangladesh and Pakistan were supposed to remain one country.
    -- Unsold land left behind creates title issues when the original owner passed away with no in-country heir or legal representative. Due to vast disparities in practice, legal rulings from one jurisdiction are frequently not valid in others. For example, giving everything to male heirs could be outright illegal in countries that require even distribution. The only way to clean this up without review of each individual property is nationalisation or eminent domain policy.

    _______

    20/20 hindsight, all of these situations would be better off had the relocation been mandatory, provided a land bank/exchange for 100% in-country ownership, and offered worthwhile compensation in return for legally renouncing any future claims.

    Unfortunately, all we can do is make sure any future separations happen in a more sane manner.

  9. @bomag
    The Donald has been counted out before and came back.

    The power of demographics is final, but in 2020:

    )He'll be an incumbent.

    )The Libertarians and other right leaning third party types will give him more votes as opposed to 2016's tossing a vote in the third party bucket

    )The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.

    Don’t forget the fun factor. Sheer entertainment value plays a far bigger part than anyone wants to admit. The lesser of two bores, to coin a phrase.

  10. Can someone explain the big difference between North Dakota and Minnesota? As far as I know, they’re ethnically quite similar.

    • Replies: @A Random Dude
    The Dakotas have a lot of natural resource industries involved which tilt towards conservatism (also explains why the left has been squawking so much about climate change in recent years). Minnesota has some natural resource industries as well but that is all countered and then some by the Twin Cities. Fargo and Bismarck just don't have the urban populations to counter the rural populations.

    The Dakotas used to be a lot closer to Minnesota in terms of how they voted. Prominent liberal democrats like George McGovern and Tom Daschle came from South Dakota.

    , @Anon
    Minneapolis's original reason for founding and its traditional economic base was the control of the grain trade. Note its positioning at the functional headwaters of the Mississippi. Today it contains America's largest privately held company, who is one of the top five food distributors in the world. That type of business is dependent on international trade, and its local economic impact is likely to be a large reason for a certain diffusion of pro-internationalism in the populace over time.

    Minnesota has a cultural and arguably an ethnic connection to New England, which by association we can infer that they would share the similar political motivations (even if we are unclear as to what those motivations are).

    Minnesota has a large Irish-mixed population in the South, North Dakota does not. In my experience, the Irish (and 60% of Catholic's in general) have a propensity toward liberalism. Though, the Irish side of my family are hard-conservative.

    Minnesota has a major-city replete with large numbers of the common democrat ethnicities, North Dakota does not.

    North Dakota is much sparser populated to the point that it is difficult to compare the two states. Voting trends are not likely to be consistent between them given that factor alone.

    Germanics living in homogenous proximity tend to be socialist in nature as they see large community benefit. As minorities out-breed them in Minneapolis, they may switch to conservative voting because the community benefit will be gone.

    Germanics living in sparse communities tend to vote conservatively because 1. little socialist money that they pay will benefit them and 2.they are much more socially vulnerable to a rapid increase in minority populations. If I were to guess.

    At the urgency of the second Jewish mayor in its history, Minneapolis is in the midst of passing a new urban plan called Minneapolis 2020. It is going to change the zoning throughout the city from single-family-only in most neighborhoods to multi-family anywhere a developer wants to throw up an apartment building. The cited rationale is racial integration. What is actually going to happen is large scale White flight over a period of decades, Minneapolis turning ghetto in all but the upper middle class and above neighborhoods, and a more conservative (and more fractured) White population with time.

    As far as their ethnic similarity is concerned, what most people don't know is that there are real ethnic divisions among Germanics. There are at least three German tribes, and sub-tribes within each one of those. For isolated Germanics, those inter-state divisions become more culturally real. The tribe that largely populated North Dakota is locally rooted in Minnesota (in terms of their population base) only in the far North / Northwestern part.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Minnesota is more urban. That's the bulk of the explanation. Compare here to here.
    , @M B Lamar
    Sure - 50% of MN population is in the twin cities, with the typical blue tilt seen in any metropolis. North Dakota has no such urban concentration.
  11. @Mr McKenna
    What's that? White people tend to prefer Republicans? Too bad the Establishment Republicans of "Conservatism, Inc" can't be bothered to return the favor. "Invade the world, Invite the world" right along with Democrats, and as though that weren't enough they stay busy pointing and sputtering "Racism!" figuring that'll earn them some much needed street cred with the youngsters and the rest of the Third World they've invited in for cheap labor.

    Donald Trump may well be a walking train wreck but at least he's pretty much outside the corrupt two-party system. Unfortunately, as he's discovered, he doesn't have enough friends to populate an administration and meanwhile that system will take down anyone outside it, any way it can. Empires tend to strike back.

    Donald Trump may well be a walking train wreck but at least he’s pretty much outside the corrupt two-party system.

    Trump is a Deep Stater. If you think not explain Bolton, Pompeo and other Deep State denizens Trump has hired.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    You're right, ultimately. Nonetheless I think Trump (in his somewhat disordered mind) had greater plans than that, but ran up against that Deep State, among other things (like federal judges). Really, it's quite utopian to imagine that a complete political novice could become president and not get crushed. Everyone else who ever ascended the throne had considerable political apparatus behind him, upon which he could call for appointments among other things. It's easy to bash Trump, he's a larger-than-life target. But remember the alternative was Hillary.
    , @jilles dykstra
    In my opinion the explanation is quite simple: one cannot change a country overnight.
    Boltons I see as no more a a concession in a power play.
    And possibly 'keep your enemies close', so that you know what they're doing.
    Plus, by keeping Boltons more or less informed your enemies may think they know what's going on.
    Bolton is, according to UN staff when he worked at the UN, so stupid that the staff often had to make a great effort not to burst into laughing, when they had to do with him.
  12. @Mr McKenna

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
     
    Wow, is that really true? What on earth stopped the authorities from aggregating the landholdings on each side and then transferring ownership? Failing that, what stopped the migrants from selling their real property and whatever else they could not take with them? Obviously there would still be massive losses, but it'd be better than nothing.

    The alternative--the spectre now facing the USA--seems more like South Africa.

    Yes.
    See for example
    Henry Morgenthau, ‘I was sent to Athens’, New York 1929
    Mark Mazower, ‘Thessaloniki – stad van geesten, Christenen, moslims en joden 1430 – 1950’, 2007, geen plaats van uitgave, (2004, Salonica – City of Ghosts).
    Why ?

    In order to understand how this tragedy could happen one must know the allied Versailles and Sèvres plans for nearly completely wiping the Ottoman empire off the map.
    Atatürk resisted, he created present Turkey, in a bloody war.
    The plan was to give E Anatolia to Armenia, up to the present Syrian border, give SW present Turkey to Greece, also the European part of present Turkey, so W of the Bosporus.
    What was to remain as Turkey was a very small area around Ankara.
    At the time the deal was seen as a great victory for peace.

    Halil Gülbeyaz, ´Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Vom Staatsgründer zum Mythos’, Berlin 2004
    BTW, present Turkey is just a small part of the Ottoman empire.

    It is asserted that this deal inspired zionists, that they could accomplish something similar in or after 1948.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Baloney.

    Turkey was left a huge amount of territory according to the Treaty of Sevres: Almost all of Central and Western Asia Minor.

    Turkey wiped out 95% of its indigenous Christians.
  13. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    How do you know what they voted for?
    All you know is what you were told they voted for.

  14. @Realist

    Donald Trump may well be a walking train wreck but at least he’s pretty much outside the corrupt two-party system.
     
    Trump is a Deep Stater. If you think not explain Bolton, Pompeo and other Deep State denizens Trump has hired.

    You’re right, ultimately. Nonetheless I think Trump (in his somewhat disordered mind) had greater plans than that, but ran up against that Deep State, among other things (like federal judges). Really, it’s quite utopian to imagine that a complete political novice could become president and not get crushed. Everyone else who ever ascended the throne had considerable political apparatus behind him, upon which he could call for appointments among other things. It’s easy to bash Trump, he’s a larger-than-life target. But remember the alternative was Hillary.

    • Replies: @c matt
    The "not Hillary" card gets you only so far. At some point, it is nothing more than the difference between death by a thousand cuts v. ripping the band-aid off quickly. I am beginning to lean towrads the latter.
    , @Realist

    But remember the alternative was Hillary.
     
    That's the point of the Deep State....there is no alternative.
  15. Of course, what hasn’t been accounted for in AE’s analysis (I think) is the ongoing realization by whites that all the Dem candidates (and all the likely Republican primary challengers) are anti-white.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    And that issues whites care about are largely dead letters to other groups.
    The memes of 2020 will be photo-quote pairings with cites of things like Pelosi babbling about her nonwhite grandson's skin.
  16. @bomag
    The Donald has been counted out before and came back.

    The power of demographics is final, but in 2020:

    )He'll be an incumbent.

    )The Libertarians and other right leaning third party types will give him more votes as opposed to 2016's tossing a vote in the third party bucket

    )The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.

    Trying to scare voters about voting Trump won’t have the same impact either. I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally. Looks very grim for 2024 though and I doubt a Republican will ever win again after Trump. That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    "That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway."

    Is it? A beloved fantasy of the alt right is that any day now debt will crush western governments and usher in a chance for a reset. I'm sure eventually that's going to happen but not in the lifetime of anyone currently living. There's too much at stake to allow for that to happen and governments can just keep printing more money and piling on the debt indefinitely (for now).

    It's going to be hell for our great, great grandchildren though.
    , @follyofwar
    We have no idea what will happen in 2020, let alone 2024. The way that the anti-straight white male agenda is accelerating, Pat Buchanan's prediction in "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?" seems to be coming true.
    , @Randy the Auditor

    16.LondonBob says:

    I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally.
     
    It is possible for The Donald to pick off those two states, but I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

    As most readers of the Unz report probably know, the Sunshine State has restored voting rights to former felons. As many as 1.5 million people could be added to the voter rolls because of the new policy, and a disproportionate number of them will be Democrats. Trump carried Florida by just under 113,000 votes in 2016; he will be hard-pressed to win the 270 electoral votes needed for reelection if he loses the Sunshine State.
  17. Happy to have AE here.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Thank you very much. Happy to be here.
  18. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    “…want their jobs replaced by third-worlders”

    The airline cockpit excepted; when a progressive looks into the cockpit and sees whitey, there is relief. Same when the plumber arrives to install the Democrat’s new fancy faucet. And, a troubling aspect of “the replacement” that I see here in California is that “good enough; get it basically right” can be contageous; a proficient and conscientious non-replacement person will sometimes downgrade his own work ethic, consciously or by osmosis. This map is not just electoral. It is, I would imagine, a picture of daily life: Everything unraveled, or not; being seen as a bad person to family and friends (a deplorable), or being seen as a good person.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The airline cockpit excepted

    Ha! My intention was, at least at first, to be on my best behavior and avoid the shit poasting. I don't think that's going to last very long!
  19. @Realist

    Donald Trump may well be a walking train wreck but at least he’s pretty much outside the corrupt two-party system.
     
    Trump is a Deep Stater. If you think not explain Bolton, Pompeo and other Deep State denizens Trump has hired.

    In my opinion the explanation is quite simple: one cannot change a country overnight.
    Boltons I see as no more a a concession in a power play.
    And possibly ‘keep your enemies close’, so that you know what they’re doing.
    Plus, by keeping Boltons more or less informed your enemies may think they know what’s going on.
    Bolton is, according to UN staff when he worked at the UN, so stupid that the staff often had to make a great effort not to burst into laughing, when they had to do with him.

    • Replies: @Realist

    In my opinion the explanation is quite simple: one cannot change a country overnight.
    Boltons I see as no more a a concession in a power play.
     
    More 4D chess bullshit.

    And possibly ‘keep your enemies close’, so that you know what they’re doing.
    Plus, by keeping Boltons more or less informed your enemies may think they know what’s going on.

     

    Your making excuses for Trumps obvious Deep State picks.
  20. @TelfoedJohn
    Can someone explain the big difference between North Dakota and Minnesota? As far as I know, they’re ethnically quite similar.

    The Dakotas have a lot of natural resource industries involved which tilt towards conservatism (also explains why the left has been squawking so much about climate change in recent years). Minnesota has some natural resource industries as well but that is all countered and then some by the Twin Cities. Fargo and Bismarck just don’t have the urban populations to counter the rural populations.

    The Dakotas used to be a lot closer to Minnesota in terms of how they voted. Prominent liberal democrats like George McGovern and Tom Daschle came from South Dakota.

  21. Happy to have you on Unz, AE! I agree that eventually blogger would have shoahed your site. Everything further to the right than the “intellectual dark web” is getting purged these days, more aggressively than ever.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Glad to see you here. Your comments are second to none.
  22. @LondonBob
    Trying to scare voters about voting Trump won't have the same impact either. I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally. Looks very grim for 2024 though and I doubt a Republican will ever win again after Trump. That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway.

    “That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway.”

    Is it? A beloved fantasy of the alt right is that any day now debt will crush western governments and usher in a chance for a reset. I’m sure eventually that’s going to happen but not in the lifetime of anyone currently living. There’s too much at stake to allow for that to happen and governments can just keep printing more money and piling on the debt indefinitely (for now).

    It’s going to be hell for our great, great grandchildren though.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    if the Judeo-globalist debtPonzi'conomy

    which purchases consent

    does not collapse fairly soon,

    Whites in North America will be a minority by 2028-2030,

    and extinct by 2070-2090. Johnny Smoggins' "great, great grandchildren" (assuming he's White)

    will never be born. When (((Susan Sontag))) wrote (Partisan Review, 1967)

    "the White Race is the cancer of human history"

    the Jewess

    meant every word of it.
    , @Carroll Price
    ...like present-day warnings of the 2nd coming of Christ which was supposed to happen in 100 AD... still waiting...
    , @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    It may not happen any day now, but I fathom something will have to be done, as negative rates and Boomer savings cannot be used forever. Probably new currencies will take over, or mass devaluations occur. Doesn't have to be a mass cataclysm, just a few big recessions in a row caused by local crises (like the last one) could severely impair the global economy gradually, then suddenly.

    Furthermore, the future near-universal lack of employment (which is more certain than the debt collapse even) means that those who monopolize means of production and services (aka robots) will be the haves, and those who do not, the have nots. Coupled with mass underskilled third world migration, it will be interesting times, even more so if debt flows on and on.
  23. @jilles dykstra
    Seen, as far as possible,from the other side of the Atlantic, the USA's 'racial' problems seem quite simple to me.
    My wife and I visited Florida around 2004, not understanding how to fill up the tank of my rented car in Miami I asked for help at the fuel station; I was completely ignored, speaking english. They behaved as if I was not there.
    My wife likes to shop at low prices, she went into a spanish speaking shopping mall, spoke english.
    Again, completely ignored.
    She speaks spanish reasonably well, as soon as she switched languages all was well.

    So, in my opinion the USA cultural stew has deteriorated in civil war, not yet with weapons, but with words: racist, fascist, nazi, whatever.
    Democrats are against Republicans in this civil war, white Democrats in my opinion have the illusion of eating the cake and keep it: letting in so many non whites that the Democrats can rule, at the same time being able to keep, or regain, their control over the USA.

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
    Some here in Europe see the signs, such as former member of the European Commission Bolkestein, he advises emigration to New Zealand and Australia.
    Others have the hope that the Visigrad countries, the E European countries, will keep their European cultures.

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
    Relations between Turkey and Greece are stained to this day.

    But I wonder if not the solution to the USA's problems for whites should be a similar great population movement, within the present USA.

    Why can’t western Europeans stay and fight for their lands rather than fleeing to Australia?

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    If they are going to flee, would they not be better off fleeing to Poland, Hungary, and Russia? From everything I've read, Australia is gojng the way of the USA - straight down the drain.
  24. I agree with the bleak assessment of Trump’s chances. In the midterms he showed a great ability to rally his supporters, but an even greater ability to rally his enemies. Very difficult to see that pattern changing when he is on the ballot himself. Nor has he ever reached the minimum approval rating which has historically been compatible with winning an election. And as AE says, all that is without taking into consideration the likely deterioration in economic climate.

    • Replies: @Roberto D'Aubuisson
    Like everyone else, you are looking at Trump's reelection chances in a vacuum. In addition to the value of incumbency, the Dems have to nominate somebody. I have great confidence in their ability to nominate someone who will be less popular than Trump with policy position positions far less popular.
  25. What are the odds that the Dem Primary will be a circus and collapse when no single fringe is willing to compromise for ‘the party?’ Does anyone do those estimates? Personally, I’m hoping for Spartacus to lead the slave revolt. Then Bezos can become Crassus and restore the Triumvirate with Trump and Pompeo. Then we can send Bezos to Syria.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Maybe I have blinders on, but Harris prevents that. None of the three wings are pissed with her as nominee. The Sanders/prog wing is the least happy but they're also the most pussy-whipped of the Democrat coalition who will do whatever they're told to do to stop the bad orange man.
  26. Save Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina all ten of the original colonies have gone to the dogs, I mean Democrats, including the nation’s capital… the two coasts are like vise, squeezing the life out of old America.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Georgia's and North Carolina's days are numbered. South Carolina, which is one of the only states in the country that has actually become *more* white over the last fifty years, will soon be the sole holdout.
  27. @Mr McKenna

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
     
    Wow, is that really true? What on earth stopped the authorities from aggregating the landholdings on each side and then transferring ownership? Failing that, what stopped the migrants from selling their real property and whatever else they could not take with them? Obviously there would still be massive losses, but it'd be better than nothing.

    The alternative--the spectre now facing the USA--seems more like South Africa.

    People did sell some land, some held onto the titles in hopes of getting a better price later after the panic. And, of course, renters did not have land to sell. The bulk of the population moved without significant financial support.

    The same sort of issues were created by the separation of:
    – India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh
    – Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. Transjordan or Jordan) and Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel)

    Additional problems include:
    — The population splits were incomplete leaving a foundation for future insurgency.
    — Borders were irrational, economically unworkable, and militarily indefensible. Remember, Bangladesh and Pakistan were supposed to remain one country.
    — Unsold land left behind creates title issues when the original owner passed away with no in-country heir or legal representative. Due to vast disparities in practice, legal rulings from one jurisdiction are frequently not valid in others. For example, giving everything to male heirs could be outright illegal in countries that require even distribution. The only way to clean this up without review of each individual property is nationalisation or eminent domain policy.

    _______

    20/20 hindsight, all of these situations would be better off had the relocation been mandatory, provided a land bank/exchange for 100% in-country ownership, and offered worthwhile compensation in return for legally renouncing any future claims.

    Unfortunately, all we can do is make sure any future separations happen in a more sane manner.

  28. Something I would find interesting is the rate at which government employees vote compared to the general public and a break down of which party they vote for. I have a feeling much of the urban/rural divide is really a public/private divide.

  29. The Kentucky number is low. In many Kentucky counties, if you want a vote for local officials, you have to be a registered Democrat. Many offices at the local level do not have Republicans running in the general election, so the winner of the Democrat primary will be elected.

    But these “Democrats” vote Republican for state and Federal offices.

  30. @Mr McKenna
    What's that? White people tend to prefer Republicans? Too bad the Establishment Republicans of "Conservatism, Inc" can't be bothered to return the favor. "Invade the world, Invite the world" right along with Democrats, and as though that weren't enough they stay busy pointing and sputtering "Racism!" figuring that'll earn them some much needed street cred with the youngsters and the rest of the Third World they've invited in for cheap labor.

    Donald Trump may well be a walking train wreck but at least he's pretty much outside the corrupt two-party system. Unfortunately, as he's discovered, he doesn't have enough friends to populate an administration and meanwhile that system will take down anyone outside it, any way it can. Empires tend to strike back.

    Trump is no more of a “walking train wreck” than any number of past Presidents. You did well-recite the media’s narrative, though.

  31. @Mr McKenna
    You're right, ultimately. Nonetheless I think Trump (in his somewhat disordered mind) had greater plans than that, but ran up against that Deep State, among other things (like federal judges). Really, it's quite utopian to imagine that a complete political novice could become president and not get crushed. Everyone else who ever ascended the throne had considerable political apparatus behind him, upon which he could call for appointments among other things. It's easy to bash Trump, he's a larger-than-life target. But remember the alternative was Hillary.

    The “not Hillary” card gets you only so far. At some point, it is nothing more than the difference between death by a thousand cuts v. ripping the band-aid off quickly. I am beginning to lean towrads the latter.

  32. Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain

    “Trump Browbeats Pelosi and Schumer Over Wall, Says He’ll Shut Government Down”

    “Trump HEATED Discussion with Pelosi and Schumer Over Wall”

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    Mr. Trump has wasted two years going to pep rallies in MAGA land and demanding The Wall. How much has he accomplished to date? Does he think he can intimidate tough characters like Pelosi and Schumer by such a blatant public ambush? Those tactics may have worked in the boardroom, but they won't work here. I hate the policies of Pelosi and Schumer, but Trump is not their boss and he cannot tell them "You're Fired." When he was first elected, why didn't the President employ these same rough tactics on cuckservative Speaker Paul Ryan, who did everything within his considerable power to derail Trump's agenda?

    Mr. Trump has been unfairly beaten down by the combined forces of the deep state for the past two years. Still, to use W's term, he is The Decider, but has caved at every crisis point. The Wall is now Trump's figurative Maginot Line. Short of starting yet another war, it's pretty much all he has left.
    , @Bliss
    Trump vs Schumer was fun. Two New Yorkers arguing passionately. Schumer started very aggressively, even rudely, but Trump had the (forceful) last word.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.
  33. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    Can someone explain the big difference between North Dakota and Minnesota? As far as I know, they’re ethnically quite similar.

    Minneapolis’s original reason for founding and its traditional economic base was the control of the grain trade. Note its positioning at the functional headwaters of the Mississippi. Today it contains America’s largest privately held company, who is one of the top five food distributors in the world. That type of business is dependent on international trade, and its local economic impact is likely to be a large reason for a certain diffusion of pro-internationalism in the populace over time.

    Minnesota has a cultural and arguably an ethnic connection to New England, which by association we can infer that they would share the similar political motivations (even if we are unclear as to what those motivations are).

    Minnesota has a large Irish-mixed population in the South, North Dakota does not. In my experience, the Irish (and 60% of Catholic’s in general) have a propensity toward liberalism. Though, the Irish side of my family are hard-conservative.

    Minnesota has a major-city replete with large numbers of the common democrat ethnicities, North Dakota does not.

    North Dakota is much sparser populated to the point that it is difficult to compare the two states. Voting trends are not likely to be consistent between them given that factor alone.

    Germanics living in homogenous proximity tend to be socialist in nature as they see large community benefit. As minorities out-breed them in Minneapolis, they may switch to conservative voting because the community benefit will be gone.

    Germanics living in sparse communities tend to vote conservatively because 1. little socialist money that they pay will benefit them and 2.they are much more socially vulnerable to a rapid increase in minority populations. If I were to guess.

    At the urgency of the second Jewish mayor in its history, Minneapolis is in the midst of passing a new urban plan called Minneapolis 2020. It is going to change the zoning throughout the city from single-family-only in most neighborhoods to multi-family anywhere a developer wants to throw up an apartment building. The cited rationale is racial integration. What is actually going to happen is large scale White flight over a period of decades, Minneapolis turning ghetto in all but the upper middle class and above neighborhoods, and a more conservative (and more fractured) White population with time.

    As far as their ethnic similarity is concerned, what most people don’t know is that there are real ethnic divisions among Germanics. There are at least three German tribes, and sub-tribes within each one of those. For isolated Germanics, those inter-state divisions become more culturally real. The tribe that largely populated North Dakota is locally rooted in Minnesota (in terms of their population base) only in the far North / Northwestern part.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    It is going to change the zoning throughout the city from single-family-only in most neighborhoods to multi-family anywhere a developer wants to throw up an apartment building.

    Ha! Yes, Minneapolis is going to have lots of bunting draped over construction fences advertising "Luxury Apartments." The developers get their money, the city gets more serfs on the tax farm, and as you note, within 5 years those Luxury Apartments become moldy, shabby-looking criminal feeding grounds.
  34. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you’re paranoid.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter, Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Plato's Dream
    Wouldn't you be happier on the NYT forum?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you’re paranoid.
     
    Nobody cares in the leukosphere, i.e., the white man's world. But normal-thinking races still care very much.
    , @Dannyboy
    You really are a sick fuck.
  35. @Maple Curtain
    At this point, until proven otherwise, Trump is just a washed-up carnival barker who doesn't realize that his act is dated and the audience has moved on.

    Oh well, I'm sure Javanka will steer him in the right direction.

    Bwa-ha-ha.

    No, kids, Israel is not the right direction, and neither is AIPAC.

    Ultra creepy Jared Kushner is Trump’s Achilles heel.

    • Agree: Z-man
  36. @wayfarer

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain
     
    “Trump Browbeats Pelosi and Schumer Over Wall, Says He'll Shut Government Down”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PStiB-PDi4g

    “Trump HEATED Discussion with Pelosi and Schumer Over Wall”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCMyRBZH9c

    ...

    Mr. Trump has wasted two years going to pep rallies in MAGA land and demanding The Wall. How much has he accomplished to date? Does he think he can intimidate tough characters like Pelosi and Schumer by such a blatant public ambush? Those tactics may have worked in the boardroom, but they won’t work here. I hate the policies of Pelosi and Schumer, but Trump is not their boss and he cannot tell them “You’re Fired.” When he was first elected, why didn’t the President employ these same rough tactics on cuckservative Speaker Paul Ryan, who did everything within his considerable power to derail Trump’s agenda?

    Mr. Trump has been unfairly beaten down by the combined forces of the deep state for the past two years. Still, to use W’s term, he is The Decider, but has caved at every crisis point. The Wall is now Trump’s figurative Maginot Line. Short of starting yet another war, it’s pretty much all he has left.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    Our “government” hung its people out to dry, a long time ago.

    Having lived on the Mexico–U.S. border for decades, at this point it's clear to me, a “wall” is nothing more than a band-aid. Simply too little, too late.

    Sadly, it seems America won't be resuscitated, as she's already lost too much blood.

    Things are probably only going to get rougher.

    Not expecting any help, if I find myself backed into a corner someday, by a rabid gang.

    Other than the rapid response of an EDC Kershaw or a Smith & Wesson.

    , @Haxo Angmark
    more Trump performance art,

    same as got him elected. In fact,

    Chuck Schumer is Trump's pet Senator,

    and has been all along: Trump contributed heavily to all his election campaigns.

    Mein Gott...you Trumphaholics are dense.

    but then you wouldn't have voted for him in the first place

    if you weren't dumb as a a box of rocks.
  37. @midtown
    Why can't western Europeans stay and fight for their lands rather than fleeing to Australia?

    If they are going to flee, would they not be better off fleeing to Poland, Hungary, and Russia? From everything I’ve read, Australia is gojng the way of the USA – straight down the drain.

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
    Yes Australia is getting diversified at a frightening rate.
  38. @LondonBob
    Trying to scare voters about voting Trump won't have the same impact either. I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally. Looks very grim for 2024 though and I doubt a Republican will ever win again after Trump. That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway.

    We have no idea what will happen in 2020, let alone 2024. The way that the anti-straight white male agenda is accelerating, Pat Buchanan’s prediction in “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?” seems to be coming true.

  39. Break it down by county if not IPUMS microdata and you’ll see that its virtually _all_ population density driven. I keep saying this because it bears repeating:

    The war is between urban and rural populations and is made inevitable by the very nature of urban populations: They insist on centralizing social policy. This is because urban populations are at a strategic advantage influencing centralized power. They won’t stop until the rural populations get wise and take action at the physical level. At that point, the urban populations will find themselves to be components of very poorly adapted mass organisms. Controlling access to communications channels (by network effect monopolies protected from breakup by fifth column “conservative” economic thinktanks*) is the preemptive strike by urban against rural populations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdata_(statistics)

    *Who benefits from Civil War in the United States? Seriously — look for surreptitious Chinese commie support of places like the Mises Institute, Chicago School, CATO, American Enterprise Institute, etc. These guys created these monopolistic monsters as well as the immigration invasion.

  40. Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.

    Any idea why Wyoming seems to be a relative outlier?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.
     
    Yes, that's exactly correct and has generally been true for the last 20-odd years of presidential elections as well.

    I actually analyzed the whole thing almost a decade ago in a long article, which showed the results of a series of national cross-correlations analyses:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#non-whites-and-blacks

    That's actually the most central empirical fact of American politics and why (in my own opinion) the Trump political strategy is so totally wrong-headed and disastrous...
    , @Bliss

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.
     
    Too many exceptions for that to be a rule:

    Wyoming
    Alaska
    Idaho
    Utah
    North Dakota
    Kansas
    Nebraska
    Oklahoma
    ...........
    District of Columbia
    Delaware
    Maryland
    Etc

    The better correlation is with states with the least urban population. Or with states that have the highest obesity rates. Or with states that have the highest proportion of whites without a college education.
  41. Any idea why Wyoming seems to be a relative outlier?

    A) Indians.

    B) It wasn’t swamped with flatlanders, like Vermont was.

    C) They’re so close to California. By Western standards. Whereas Vermont is a million miles from NYC, by Eastern standards.

    D) It was swamped by flatlanders escaping California.

    E) The whole state was defamed by the Matthew Shepard coverage. Brokeback Mountain was taken as an insult.

  42. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump urgently needs to re-appoint an Election Fraud Investigation council. He had that going after 2016 then abandoned it, which was a really bad idea. Now that Kris Kobach is without a job, he should appoint Kris Kobach to head up this task. There is so much election fraud going on in all the states, with non-citizens being registered by the DMV to vote.

    In the state of WA, we used to have to sign the mail-in voting envelope saying we attest to the fact that we are US citizens, and understood that non-citizens who try to vote carried a fine up to $10k and 5 years in prison, but in the 2018 election, they took away that requirement. Now you are no longer even required to sign that you are a citizen, it’s total bullshit.

    If Trump doesn’t do this ASAP, the GOP is going to lose 2020 and every presidential election from here on out.

    • Replies: @crimson2
    The only election fraud is in North Carolina where Republicans tried to steal an election.
  43. Welcome, Anep. I’m glad you’re here. You have one of the best blogs on the internet and it deserves all the visibility it can get.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Thank you very much. I'm glad to be here.
  44. @follyofwar
    Mr. Trump has wasted two years going to pep rallies in MAGA land and demanding The Wall. How much has he accomplished to date? Does he think he can intimidate tough characters like Pelosi and Schumer by such a blatant public ambush? Those tactics may have worked in the boardroom, but they won't work here. I hate the policies of Pelosi and Schumer, but Trump is not their boss and he cannot tell them "You're Fired." When he was first elected, why didn't the President employ these same rough tactics on cuckservative Speaker Paul Ryan, who did everything within his considerable power to derail Trump's agenda?

    Mr. Trump has been unfairly beaten down by the combined forces of the deep state for the past two years. Still, to use W's term, he is The Decider, but has caved at every crisis point. The Wall is now Trump's figurative Maginot Line. Short of starting yet another war, it's pretty much all he has left.

    Our “government” hung its people out to dry, a long time ago.

    Having lived on the Mexico–U.S. border for decades, at this point it’s clear to me, a “wall” is nothing more than a band-aid. Simply too little, too late.

    Sadly, it seems America won’t be resuscitated, as she’s already lost too much blood.

    Things are probably only going to get rougher.

    Not expecting any help, if I find myself backed into a corner someday, by a rabid gang.

    Other than the rapid response of an EDC Kershaw or a Smith & Wesson.

  45. @anon
    Trump urgently needs to re-appoint an Election Fraud Investigation council. He had that going after 2016 then abandoned it, which was a really bad idea. Now that Kris Kobach is without a job, he should appoint Kris Kobach to head up this task. There is so much election fraud going on in all the states, with non-citizens being registered by the DMV to vote.

    In the state of WA, we used to have to sign the mail-in voting envelope saying we attest to the fact that we are US citizens, and understood that non-citizens who try to vote carried a fine up to $10k and 5 years in prison, but in the 2018 election, they took away that requirement. Now you are no longer even required to sign that you are a citizen, it's total bullshit.

    If Trump doesn't do this ASAP, the GOP is going to lose 2020 and every presidential election from here on out.

    The only election fraud is in North Carolina where Republicans tried to steal an election.

    • Troll: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    Bullshit, Democrats have been "stealing" elections for decades on end, and a running joke during the fifties in my home town of Detroit was that the Democrats, and the union honchos would be busing voters around the city from one voting station to the next, this amongst the manifold discrepancies uncovered in one election after another in favor of the Democrats right up to 2016.
    Democrats have always cheated their way into political power, and without their crooked machinations, they would never have "won" a single office, anywhere even Cal.

    AJM
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The only election fraud is in North Carolina where Republicans tried to steal an election.
     
    I think the proper phrasing is "were caught trying". Amateurs horning in on professionals' territory.
  46. Its happening what I have predicted 14 years ago.
    London bridge is falling down…………..
    The firs stage of chaos is now coming to the end.
    Next stage is now on the doorstep.
    Next step will be turmoil.
    Result of the next stage will be DE-dusting of the guillotines.
    Naturally persecution of the Jews will become inevitable.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Why it is happening?
    Western people under leadership of Jews abandoned God our creator and defender.
    They rejected teachings of my lord Jesus Christ, and embraced Satan.
    They become liars, cheaters and murderers of nations.
    God's punishment is coming.
  47. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    ” Overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point”

    You’re not whistling dixie, the “brainwashing” circulating around one ominous word :

    “RACIST”

    These twisted, psychotic pseudo-edumacated folks have been hypnotized into a stupor concerning the prospect of being viewed as such, as : “Racist”, they are fixated upon this expression and mesmerized into a mania in which they concentrate upon this horrendous possibility 24/7 and they will do anything to avoid the chance of being viewed as a racist, which of course starts with voting for the supposed non-racists straight down the line, regardless of what impact their choice holds for society, meaning any nut-case will be installed into office as long as he/she declare to be a non-racist, for example insane morons such as MW, out in Cal.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

  48. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Its happening what I have predicted 14 years ago.
    London bridge is falling down..............
    The firs stage of chaos is now coming to the end.
    Next stage is now on the doorstep.
    Next step will be turmoil.
    Result of the next stage will be DE-dusting of the guillotines.
    Naturally persecution of the Jews will become inevitable.

    Why it is happening?
    Western people under leadership of Jews abandoned God our creator and defender.
    They rejected teachings of my lord Jesus Christ, and embraced Satan.
    They become liars, cheaters and murderers of nations.
    God’s punishment is coming.

  49. @Olaf
    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.

    Any idea why Wyoming seems to be a relative outlier?

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.

    Yes, that’s exactly correct and has generally been true for the last 20-odd years of presidential elections as well.

    I actually analyzed the whole thing almost a decade ago in a long article, which showed the results of a series of national cross-correlations analyses:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#non-whites-and-blacks

    That’s actually the most central empirical fact of American politics and why (in my own opinion) the Trump political strategy is so totally wrong-headed and disastrous…

    • Agree: JLK, Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.

     

    I know it is obvious, but it bears repeating: Whites in states chock a block full of Blacks vote as a bloc to preserve European Christian civilization.

    How about we combine the Black situation with central banking to say that certain Whites in states that benefit the most from the monetary extremism of the Federal Reserve Bank tend to vote for the Democrat Party.

    New York and New Jersey and Virginia and Connecticut are some of the states that benefit from the low interest rates and asset purchases and quantitative easing of the Federal Reserve Bank.

    California Whites don't fit no political nor cultural models known to man, so we must skip over them.
    , @A123
    The Democrat party has inflamed hatred for their political ends. For an example look at open racists in the DNC like Maxine Waters: [1]

    White power: Racial politics are always front and center for Waters, as evidenced by this quotation from a 1993 interview with the Los Angeles Times: “Policy, for the most part, has been made by white people in America, not by people of color. And they have tended to take care of those things that they think are important. Whether it’s their agricultural subsidies, or other kinds of expenditures that are certainly not expenditures for poor people or for people of color. And so we have to band together and keep fighting back.”
     
    As long as the Fake Stream Media was able to cover up the abuses of the racist DNC, they could hope for a split. Now, there is fact based coverage of decades of DNC race baiting and dog whistling.

    Who will stay in a party that obviously hates them? And, as Maxine openly states, is "banding together against them"?

    This issue predates Trump by many, many years. The only group that can change this trajectory is the DNC. And, there is no evidence that the DNC is looking to become less hateful. The recent election of Ilhan Omar, suggests that they want to continue digging the pit deeper.

    ______

    Redistricting will be the true battleground for the next 10-15+ years.

    The Supreme Court in "Abbott vs. Perez" stated that (by population) was a permissible method. The court did not say that (by population) was the only permissible method. So, the next round of redistricting is going to wipe out blue seats based on non-citizen populations when states adopt (by Citizen) or even (by Eligible Voter) standards.

    ______

    [1] http://humanevents.com/2011/08/27/top-10-outrageous-maxine-waters-quotes-2/

    , @crimson2
    Right. The Republican party has been recruiting racist whites for years. Now it's all they've got. That's why their power is shrinking.
    , @Anonymous
    Listen to the comments of William F. Buckley, Jr. (starting at 39:00) about the black issue. This was a debate with black intellectual James Baldwin at Cambridge University Union in 1965. Having not been alive at this time I was surprised how far back the ass-kissing of blacks by the white intelligentsia went. Apparently it’s nothing new. Even the lily-white English crowd was so effusive toward Baldwin (watch the reception he gets after he is remarks ending at around 37:00) and unfriendly toward Buckley. What the hell is it with whites??

    https://youtu.be/oFeoS41xe7w
  50. Additionally, the US may be in a steep economic recession by the end of 2020 with interest rates at just 2.X% instead of the 5.X% as was the case in 2008. With a decade of near-zero rates in the rear view mirror quantitative easing will lead to stagflation this time around.

    The Pewitt Plan will put the federal funds rate at 10 percent in order to pop the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate.

    The WASP/JEW ruling class slobs at the globalized Federal Reserve Bank no longer talk about “normalizing” interest rates.

    Former Fed Chair Janet Yellen was in Paris a few years ago and she was screaming about “normalizing” interest rates. Presumably, Yellen meant getting the federal funds rate to the “normal” level of 6 percent.

    Current Fed Chair Powell abandoned all talk about “normalizing” the federal funds rate and he now talks about the “neutral rate” of interest for the federal funds rate.

    Powell knows that the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would implode if the Fed got anywhere close to 6 percent on the federal funds rate, so now Powell just uses the “neutral rate” language to cloud the issue.

    I say 4 percent on the federal funds rate would be enough to set of the asset bubble implosion in stocks, bonds and real estate.

    I am a patriot, so the Pewitt Plan to raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent would be in the long term interests of the United States. It would mostly financially liquidate people born before 1965, and it would make real estate cheap for young Americans.

    The Pewitt Plan also includes a mass deportation of foreigners to further cause the implosion of the real estate bubble.

    The Pewitt Plan would provide a good way to create opportunities for affordable family formation for young people in the USA.

    Trump has betrayed his voter base, and the voter base will not support him in the 2020 GOP presidential primary.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The economy has been running on energy drinks for a decade now. Easing the caffeine intake isn't going to keep the thing from crashing.
  51. @crimson2
    The only election fraud is in North Carolina where Republicans tried to steal an election.

    Bullshit, Democrats have been “stealing” elections for decades on end, and a running joke during the fifties in my home town of Detroit was that the Democrats, and the union honchos would be busing voters around the city from one voting station to the next, this amongst the manifold discrepancies uncovered in one election after another in favor of the Democrats right up to 2016.
    Democrats have always cheated their way into political power, and without their crooked machinations, they would never have “won” a single office, anywhere even Cal.

    AJM

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @crimson2

    a running joke during the fifties
     
    Got any examples from this century?
  52. For the past 18 months it has been my opinion; Trump needs to talk to and appeal directly to the American people to hit the streets.q In his speech he must honestly expose the forces behind the scenes which continually cause him to retract statements already made. his meeting with Putin, and birthing rights are just 2 examples. If his life has been threatened he must tell us. If heknows where the bodies are buried he has to tell us. He’s a dynamic personality who could bring the nation together by being open and honest. We are tired of secrets, and we’re tired of being ignored. By not asking the public for help he slowly digs his own grave. We can save him and our self, if he trusts us.

    • Replies: @The scalpel
    You should have realized you were dreaming when Trump reneged on his promise to release all the JFK files
    , @RadicalCenter
    If we hit the streets, we will be physically attacked, including our wives and any children present. Will the local police have our backs? In places where local police will stand by while we are savaged and beaten, will governors have the state police and national guard protect us as they should? Will Trump have troops protect us, as he could?
  53. @Ron Unz

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.
     
    Yes, that's exactly correct and has generally been true for the last 20-odd years of presidential elections as well.

    I actually analyzed the whole thing almost a decade ago in a long article, which showed the results of a series of national cross-correlations analyses:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#non-whites-and-blacks

    That's actually the most central empirical fact of American politics and why (in my own opinion) the Trump political strategy is so totally wrong-headed and disastrous...

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.

    I know it is obvious, but it bears repeating: Whites in states chock a block full of Blacks vote as a bloc to preserve European Christian civilization.

    How about we combine the Black situation with central banking to say that certain Whites in states that benefit the most from the monetary extremism of the Federal Reserve Bank tend to vote for the Democrat Party.

    New York and New Jersey and Virginia and Connecticut are some of the states that benefit from the low interest rates and asset purchases and quantitative easing of the Federal Reserve Bank.

    California Whites don’t fit no political nor cultural models known to man, so we must skip over them.

  54. In California you can simply check a box on the application for your drivers license and you are registered to vote. This implies the ability to vote in a presidential election, and of course congressional and senate races too. In effect the voter is crossing state lines thus legally the drivers license can be controlled by the federal government through federal laws, and consequentially a non citizen commits the crime of voter fraud if, he/she/other, checks the box. I’ll now turn it over to the prosecution for replies.

  55. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    “… what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats …?”
    It’s the media and it’s mind control ways.

  56. anonymous[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Seen, as far as possible,from the other side of the Atlantic, the USA's 'racial' problems seem quite simple to me.
    My wife and I visited Florida around 2004, not understanding how to fill up the tank of my rented car in Miami I asked for help at the fuel station; I was completely ignored, speaking english. They behaved as if I was not there.
    My wife likes to shop at low prices, she went into a spanish speaking shopping mall, spoke english.
    Again, completely ignored.
    She speaks spanish reasonably well, as soon as she switched languages all was well.

    So, in my opinion the USA cultural stew has deteriorated in civil war, not yet with weapons, but with words: racist, fascist, nazi, whatever.
    Democrats are against Republicans in this civil war, white Democrats in my opinion have the illusion of eating the cake and keep it: letting in so many non whites that the Democrats can rule, at the same time being able to keep, or regain, their control over the USA.

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
    Some here in Europe see the signs, such as former member of the European Commission Bolkestein, he advises emigration to New Zealand and Australia.
    Others have the hope that the Visigrad countries, the E European countries, will keep their European cultures.

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
    Relations between Turkey and Greece are stained to this day.

    But I wonder if not the solution to the USA's problems for whites should be a similar great population movement, within the present USA.

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.

    Argh, the sky is falling! Help!!

    It is truly amazing how Eurapeans love and embrace Godlessness… be it, polytheism or gnosticism or atheism or the most supreme of them all, Whiteism.

    Anyway, all you greedy and godless degenerates need to do is get your evil tentacles off “3rd world” lands, pay reparations for the financial rape and plunder over the decades, and then ruthlessly expel the unwanted.

    If that is not acceptable, then white self-“genocide” is the answer. Since you spiritual losers are doing pretty well with that… just carry on.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    "pay reparations for the financial rape and plunder over the decades"

    They've already been paid. Not only did they earn a living wage when they worked for the colonizers but also, in the 60's when the natives liberated their homelands from the Euros they inherited first-rate, first-world infrastructure. Railroads, paved roads, telegraph and telephone systems, cleared farm land, schools and churches, all were left not just intact but in great shape for them to use as they saw fit.

    That the natives have let this stuff run down is their fault. They were spotted a fair handicap which they failed to take advantage of and for which they have no one to blame but themselves. But, given their innate constitution it's not surprising that they would let everything turn to s**t. It's how they roll. "It's who they are", to paraphrase Barry.
    , @jilles dykstra
    Godless degenerates.
    Somehow I like that.
    We indeed during hundreds of years liberated ourselves from the churches.
    What degenerated I wonder.
    Could you explain ?
    , @RadicalCenter
    How I wish we could be selfless, nongreedy people like people in the third world. Please. People are people, and self-interested to in some degree greedy almost anywhere and anytime.
  57. @Anon
    Minneapolis's original reason for founding and its traditional economic base was the control of the grain trade. Note its positioning at the functional headwaters of the Mississippi. Today it contains America's largest privately held company, who is one of the top five food distributors in the world. That type of business is dependent on international trade, and its local economic impact is likely to be a large reason for a certain diffusion of pro-internationalism in the populace over time.

    Minnesota has a cultural and arguably an ethnic connection to New England, which by association we can infer that they would share the similar political motivations (even if we are unclear as to what those motivations are).

    Minnesota has a large Irish-mixed population in the South, North Dakota does not. In my experience, the Irish (and 60% of Catholic's in general) have a propensity toward liberalism. Though, the Irish side of my family are hard-conservative.

    Minnesota has a major-city replete with large numbers of the common democrat ethnicities, North Dakota does not.

    North Dakota is much sparser populated to the point that it is difficult to compare the two states. Voting trends are not likely to be consistent between them given that factor alone.

    Germanics living in homogenous proximity tend to be socialist in nature as they see large community benefit. As minorities out-breed them in Minneapolis, they may switch to conservative voting because the community benefit will be gone.

    Germanics living in sparse communities tend to vote conservatively because 1. little socialist money that they pay will benefit them and 2.they are much more socially vulnerable to a rapid increase in minority populations. If I were to guess.

    At the urgency of the second Jewish mayor in its history, Minneapolis is in the midst of passing a new urban plan called Minneapolis 2020. It is going to change the zoning throughout the city from single-family-only in most neighborhoods to multi-family anywhere a developer wants to throw up an apartment building. The cited rationale is racial integration. What is actually going to happen is large scale White flight over a period of decades, Minneapolis turning ghetto in all but the upper middle class and above neighborhoods, and a more conservative (and more fractured) White population with time.

    As far as their ethnic similarity is concerned, what most people don't know is that there are real ethnic divisions among Germanics. There are at least three German tribes, and sub-tribes within each one of those. For isolated Germanics, those inter-state divisions become more culturally real. The tribe that largely populated North Dakota is locally rooted in Minnesota (in terms of their population base) only in the far North / Northwestern part.

    It is going to change the zoning throughout the city from single-family-only in most neighborhoods to multi-family anywhere a developer wants to throw up an apartment building.

    Ha! Yes, Minneapolis is going to have lots of bunting draped over construction fences advertising “Luxury Apartments.” The developers get their money, the city gets more serfs on the tax farm, and as you note, within 5 years those Luxury Apartments become moldy, shabby-looking criminal feeding grounds.

  58. @anonymous

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
     
    Argh, the sky is falling! Help!!

    It is truly amazing how Eurapeans love and embrace Godlessness... be it, polytheism or gnosticism or atheism or the most supreme of them all, Whiteism.

    Anyway, all you greedy and godless degenerates need to do is get your evil tentacles off "3rd world" lands, pay reparations for the financial rape and plunder over the decades, and then ruthlessly expel the unwanted.

    If that is not acceptable, then white self-"genocide" is the answer. Since you spiritual losers are doing pretty well with that... just carry on.

    “pay reparations for the financial rape and plunder over the decades”

    They’ve already been paid. Not only did they earn a living wage when they worked for the colonizers but also, in the 60’s when the natives liberated their homelands from the Euros they inherited first-rate, first-world infrastructure. Railroads, paved roads, telegraph and telephone systems, cleared farm land, schools and churches, all were left not just intact but in great shape for them to use as they saw fit.

    That the natives have let this stuff run down is their fault. They were spotted a fair handicap which they failed to take advantage of and for which they have no one to blame but themselves. But, given their innate constitution it’s not surprising that they would let everything turn to s**t. It’s how they roll. “It’s who they are”, to paraphrase Barry.

  59. The Blue states on the map are actually what might have been called in the 1860s called Yankeedom. Beyond the true Yankee states of New England are Lincoln’s Illinois and Fremont’s California. Sort of strange how that worked out.

    In an odd twist it is Yankeedom that now supports slave labor in the form of cheap immigrant labor.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    In an odd twist it is Yankeedom that now supports slave labor in the form of cheap immigrant labor.

     

    I'll admit my ancestors who had slaves in the South were money-grubbing bastards who didn't much think about how the African slavery system might turn out.

    You'll almost never get an East Anglian Yankee American to admit that cheap labor from mass immigration is just about the same damn thing as Black African slavery in the South.
    , @Hibernian
    Illinois has a large culturally Southern area where Trump is popular. It's heavily outvoted by Chicago and its suburbs.
  60. @wayfarer

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain
     
    “Trump Browbeats Pelosi and Schumer Over Wall, Says He'll Shut Government Down”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PStiB-PDi4g

    “Trump HEATED Discussion with Pelosi and Schumer Over Wall”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCMyRBZH9c

    ...

    Trump vs Schumer was fun. Two New Yorkers arguing passionately. Schumer started very aggressively, even rudely, but Trump had the (forceful) last word.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Why not ?
    China built a wall, Hadrian's wall stil exists, there is a second Roman wall in GB, less known.
    There was the Iron curtain, though meant to keep people in.
    In the good old days country's were very happy with natural borders, the Donau was a quite important one.
    But for the Romans also the Rhine was quite important, as it was for the Netherlands.
    Without the rivers Rhine and Meuse, and the marshes where now the border with Germany is, the present Netherlands had never existed.
    Britain is quite happy with its sea walls.
    , @Prusmc
    There are only two problems: one, Federal Court Judges and two, military commanders. Anyone in the Military above O-5 is a product of careful screening during the Obama era. Like the Civil Service does, they will be insubordinate with no fear of reprucsions.
    , @Rabbinical Rube

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.
     
    he backed down too many times, nobody believes him any more
    , @wayfarer

    Politeness, n: The most acceptable hypocrisy.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Bierce
     
    One must admit, their behavior was relatively polite.

    How to School a Hypocrite!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9bu6CP318
    , @Audacious Epigone
    During the primaries I was fond of stating that 1) Trump's campaign was a national referendum on a wall, and 2) The wall (or lack thereof) will be a referendum on Trump's first term. I stand by that assessment.
  61. The “White” is more important than the “Republicanism.”

    And the European Christian is more important than the White.

    Trump won the presidency by combining the German Strategy and The Southern Strategy to win the Great Lakes states and the Southern states and Florida.

    The German Strategy is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states.

    The Southern Strategy is to win the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states in combination with the votes of ethnic Catholics in the Northern states.

    Trump won Florida by winning the Anglo-Celts in the northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and snowbirds from the Northern states.

    Trump has turned his back on his European Christian voter base, and they will return the favor by supporting a candidate in the 2020 GOP presidential primary who explicitly advances the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    A Kasich or a Flake type GOP globalizer will grab the votes of upper middle class Whites in the 2020 GOP presidential primary, and the explicitly White candidate will get the votes of Whites Without College Degrees that Trump has abandoned and betrayed.

    • Replies: @Plato's Dream
    "the explicitly White candidate will get the votes of Whites Without College Degrees that Trump has abandoned and betrayed"

    Do you really think such a candidate will be allowed?
  62. @George
    The Blue states on the map are actually what might have been called in the 1860s called Yankeedom. Beyond the true Yankee states of New England are Lincoln's Illinois and Fremont's California. Sort of strange how that worked out.

    In an odd twist it is Yankeedom that now supports slave labor in the form of cheap immigrant labor.

    In an odd twist it is Yankeedom that now supports slave labor in the form of cheap immigrant labor.

    I’ll admit my ancestors who had slaves in the South were money-grubbing bastards who didn’t much think about how the African slavery system might turn out.

    You’ll almost never get an East Anglian Yankee American to admit that cheap labor from mass immigration is just about the same damn thing as Black African slavery in the South.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently.
  63. @Bliss
    Trump vs Schumer was fun. Two New Yorkers arguing passionately. Schumer started very aggressively, even rudely, but Trump had the (forceful) last word.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.

    Why not ?
    China built a wall, Hadrian’s wall stil exists, there is a second Roman wall in GB, less known.
    There was the Iron curtain, though meant to keep people in.
    In the good old days country’s were very happy with natural borders, the Donau was a quite important one.
    But for the Romans also the Rhine was quite important, as it was for the Netherlands.
    Without the rivers Rhine and Meuse, and the marshes where now the border with Germany is, the present Netherlands had never existed.
    Britain is quite happy with its sea walls.

  64. @anonymous

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
     
    Argh, the sky is falling! Help!!

    It is truly amazing how Eurapeans love and embrace Godlessness... be it, polytheism or gnosticism or atheism or the most supreme of them all, Whiteism.

    Anyway, all you greedy and godless degenerates need to do is get your evil tentacles off "3rd world" lands, pay reparations for the financial rape and plunder over the decades, and then ruthlessly expel the unwanted.

    If that is not acceptable, then white self-"genocide" is the answer. Since you spiritual losers are doing pretty well with that... just carry on.

    Godless degenerates.
    Somehow I like that.
    We indeed during hundreds of years liberated ourselves from the churches.
    What degenerated I wonder.
    Could you explain ?

  65. @LondonBob
    Trying to scare voters about voting Trump won't have the same impact either. I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally. Looks very grim for 2024 though and I doubt a Republican will ever win again after Trump. That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway.

    16.LondonBob says:

    I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally.

    It is possible for The Donald to pick off those two states, but I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

    As most readers of the Unz report probably know, the Sunshine State has restored voting rights to former felons. As many as 1.5 million people could be added to the voter rolls because of the new policy, and a disproportionate number of them will be Democrats. Trump carried Florida by just under 113,000 votes in 2016; he will be hard-pressed to win the 270 electoral votes needed for reelection if he loses the Sunshine State.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Bliss

    I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.
     
    Texas has even more electoral votes than Florida and if Beto O’Rourke is the Democratic nominee for President in 2020 (very likely) then Texas will probably vote blue and the reincarnation of Bobby Kennedy would be the next President.
    , @Haxo Angmark
    and not only Florida:

    if the only-slightly-less-stupid-party, demoncrats, nominate Beto

    it's likely that Tejas will flip as well.

    G'bye Trump, and

    good riddance.

    from a White viewpoint, Trump has been an unrequited disaster:

    jew'd (see: Kushner, Wall Street) on every populist promise that got him elected,

    threw a wet blanket over the Right, while

    vastly energizing the Left, and

    in his 4 years the White population (collapsed birthrate, boomer die-off) will have dropped by c. 4% while the non-White population (positive birthrates, legal/illegal insourcing) will have increased by a like amount.

    Trump didn't "gain us 4 years"

    he lost us 4 years.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Indeed. And it's a one-two punch, as many Puerto Ricans have made their way to Florida in the aftermath of the hurricane (and since the 2016 election).

    Otoh, it's worth keeping in mind that if Trump reached in using the Sailer Strategy enough to maintain the upper Midwestern states he won in 2016, he could lose Florida and still win the EC.
  66. These maps always look exactly like the “Slave State / Free State” division that existed right before the Civil War.

    –>That war that we fought over slavery.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    More like Bryan vs. McKinley in 1896 after all but OK, NM, and AZ had been added in the West after the Civil War
  67. @Bliss
    Trump vs Schumer was fun. Two New Yorkers arguing passionately. Schumer started very aggressively, even rudely, but Trump had the (forceful) last word.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.

    There are only two problems: one, Federal Court Judges and two, military commanders. Anyone in the Military above O-5 is a product of careful screening during the Obama era. Like the Civil Service does, they will be insubordinate with no fear of reprucsions.

  68. @Ron Unz

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.
     
    Yes, that's exactly correct and has generally been true for the last 20-odd years of presidential elections as well.

    I actually analyzed the whole thing almost a decade ago in a long article, which showed the results of a series of national cross-correlations analyses:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#non-whites-and-blacks

    That's actually the most central empirical fact of American politics and why (in my own opinion) the Trump political strategy is so totally wrong-headed and disastrous...

    The Democrat party has inflamed hatred for their political ends. For an example look at open racists in the DNC like Maxine Waters: [1]

    White power: Racial politics are always front and center for Waters, as evidenced by this quotation from a 1993 interview with the Los Angeles Times: “Policy, for the most part, has been made by white people in America, not by people of color. And they have tended to take care of those things that they think are important. Whether it’s their agricultural subsidies, or other kinds of expenditures that are certainly not expenditures for poor people or for people of color. And so we have to band together and keep fighting back.”

    As long as the Fake Stream Media was able to cover up the abuses of the racist DNC, they could hope for a split. Now, there is fact based coverage of decades of DNC race baiting and dog whistling.

    Who will stay in a party that obviously hates them? And, as Maxine openly states, is “banding together against them”?

    This issue predates Trump by many, many years. The only group that can change this trajectory is the DNC. And, there is no evidence that the DNC is looking to become less hateful. The recent election of Ilhan Omar, suggests that they want to continue digging the pit deeper.

    ______

    Redistricting will be the true battleground for the next 10-15+ years.

    The Supreme Court in “Abbott vs. Perez” stated that (by population) was a permissible method. The court did not say that (by population) was the only permissible method. So, the next round of redistricting is going to wipe out blue seats based on non-citizen populations when states adopt (by Citizen) or even (by Eligible Voter) standards.

    ______

    [1] http://humanevents.com/2011/08/27/top-10-outrageous-maxine-waters-quotes-2/

  69. I don’t know what to say.

    Trump has failed himself and us on most of his promises… obvious voter fraud going on in the midterms (disbanded the voter fraud commision). He is waiting until the last minute to start the wall, and I now doubt whether he will build it. The SALT reduction was smart, but of course the stupid blue state whites’ response is to vote MORE Democrat. RAISE act not happening.

    Another area he has failed is education, by not reforming Commom Core, and he has also not reined in the government public sector. Under the Conservatives (Canada), the federal government was reduced in size. Why won’t Trump do that?

    He is successful in his refugee policy, it’s important to remember that. Basically no new muslims are getting into the USA. That said, this can be reversed by the next president.

    Trump gets an A for effort, but I’m afraid that he just doesn’t have the mental capacity for the job. You can’t just cut a deal when the other side is determined to lose money.

    The only strategy left is scorched earth. Declassify, be open about Deep state threats, and bring the house down. Will he do that? Don’t hold your breath.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " but I'm afraid that he just doesn't have the mental capacity"

    You obviously wouldn't recognize a "Mental capacity" if it jumped in front of you:

    Look friend myself, a "Mensa" qualified "mental capacity" of the past forty-plus years, IQ test results above 150 points, I am telling you that DT is indeed a highly intelligent person who is more than "qualifed for the job", a job in which he is forced by the lunatic Democrats to juggle eggs with boths hands and a foot, while walking a tight-rope with no safety net : Not only is he highly "qualified" he is in fact a hero and a the best thing to have come along for the US in ahundred years.

    AJM, "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro Jazz musician.
  70. It is possible for The Donald to pick off those two states, but I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

    Some wags have suggested that the GOP effort to get rid of the state and local tax deductions was an attempt to get the snowbirds in the North to sell their homes and move to Florida to replenish the supply of Trump voters in Florida.

    Won’t the snowbirds who move to Florida for the cheaper taxes blame the GOP for their losing their federal tax deductions for state and local taxes?

    The GOP might have got popped in California and the Northeast in the mid-terms because of the tax changes related to the removal of deductions for state and local taxes.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    I thought instead that the capping of deductions was a long game play to force upper middle class northeasterners to vote Republican for lower taxes.
  71. @Olaf
    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.

    Any idea why Wyoming seems to be a relative outlier?

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.

    Too many exceptions for that to be a rule:

    Wyoming
    Alaska
    Idaho
    Utah
    North Dakota
    Kansas
    Nebraska
    Oklahoma
    ………..
    District of Columbia
    Delaware
    Maryland
    Etc

    The better correlation is with states with the least urban population. Or with states that have the highest obesity rates. Or with states that have the highest proportion of whites without a college education.

  72. @Bliss
    Trump vs Schumer was fun. Two New Yorkers arguing passionately. Schumer started very aggressively, even rudely, but Trump had the (forceful) last word.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.

    he backed down too many times, nobody believes him any more

  73. So as I understand it. Based on the article the republican party sole reliance if need be on whites is a challenge to winning national elections.

    Having alienated, maligned, “criminalized” some 41,000,000 potential voters. The answer is to hand ringing and stirring up whites by any means necessary to vote republican. That sounds a familiar call to my ears. But feeling a bit of pinch, the intent is to advance even greater importance on IQ to justify the unwise socialization processes. Maybe it wasn’t such a good idea to deny 12% of the population access and ensure their assimilation into the main, after all. Maybe the rhetoric to malign said population was a just tad over the top.

    There’s not a lick of evidence that indicates high IQ is required to have a functioning successful society. Nor is there evidence that high IQ is endemic in any particular gene or set of genes that indicates whites are smarter. In fact this very article suggests that whites in the US, including republicans have done themselves in. somehow, the high IQ gene missed the obvious, that skin color as a variable in social practice, thought and behavior is the least effective trait of measuring the same.

    Environment is and will be the predominant determinant in most subjective human development. Regardless of finely tuned the human animal to perfection, nothing impacts performance as much as environment. Even when that environment is pro-active to stimulating some cognitive superior development, it simply does not occur.

    Sure DNA determines biology. But neither IQ nor morality are objective artifacts. So the variables impacting the development of each or said subjective aspects of personality are to environment and by environment I mean both the physical and sociological. We know that even healthy biological development can be impacted profoundly by environment — factors outside of dna instruction. It’s a safe bet that is more the case with personality factors.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    The people in Florida who previously couldn’t vote, “criminalized” themselves by, well, committing felony crimes. What kind of masochist are you?
    , @Eric Novak
    Has anyone maligned you yet by calling you a laughable fucking idiot? You're a troll. Why are you allowed to post?
  74. Peak Geek? Or from REVENGE OF THE NERDS to TRIUMPH OF THE NERD?

  75. @jilles dykstra
    Seen, as far as possible,from the other side of the Atlantic, the USA's 'racial' problems seem quite simple to me.
    My wife and I visited Florida around 2004, not understanding how to fill up the tank of my rented car in Miami I asked for help at the fuel station; I was completely ignored, speaking english. They behaved as if I was not there.
    My wife likes to shop at low prices, she went into a spanish speaking shopping mall, spoke english.
    Again, completely ignored.
    She speaks spanish reasonably well, as soon as she switched languages all was well.

    So, in my opinion the USA cultural stew has deteriorated in civil war, not yet with weapons, but with words: racist, fascist, nazi, whatever.
    Democrats are against Republicans in this civil war, white Democrats in my opinion have the illusion of eating the cake and keep it: letting in so many non whites that the Democrats can rule, at the same time being able to keep, or regain, their control over the USA.

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
    Some here in Europe see the signs, such as former member of the European Commission Bolkestein, he advises emigration to New Zealand and Australia.
    Others have the hope that the Visigrad countries, the E European countries, will keep their European cultures.

    In 1921 and following years Greece and Turkey agreed to big population transfers: all Muslims left Greece, Macedonia and similar countries, were transported to Turkey, all Greeks left Turkey for Greece.
    It was a great human tragedy, those who left, on both sides, got no compensation whatsoever, transport conditions were horrible.
    Relations between Turkey and Greece are stained to this day.

    But I wonder if not the solution to the USA's problems for whites should be a similar great population movement, within the present USA.

    Political dissolution, or maybe some sort of federalism although even that seems unmanageable over the long term, is the most reasonable solution at this point. The most likely impetus is the coming debt crisis which will be preceded by an economic recession more severe than 2008.

    As Steve is so fond of pointing out, the country is running out of white people–particularly children–to spread around. If movement remains entirely free, the only way white people move away is via the weather. There has been a steady movement of blacks back to the Southeast, particularly Georgia, over the last couple of decades, but that doesn’t get anywhere close to addressing the problems of incompatibility.

  76. @SafeNow
    “...want their jobs replaced by third-worlders”

    The airline cockpit excepted; when a progressive looks into the cockpit and sees whitey, there is relief. Same when the plumber arrives to install the Democrat’s new fancy faucet. And, a troubling aspect of “the replacement” that I see here in California is that “good enough; get it basically right” can be contageous; a proficient and conscientious non-replacement person will sometimes downgrade his own work ethic, consciously or by osmosis. This map is not just electoral. It is, I would imagine, a picture of daily life: Everything unraveled, or not; being seen as a bad person to family and friends (a deplorable), or being seen as a good person.

    The airline cockpit excepted

    Ha! My intention was, at least at first, to be on my best behavior and avoid the shit poasting. I don’t think that’s going to last very long!

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  77. @Randy the Auditor

    16.LondonBob says:

    I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally.
     
    It is possible for The Donald to pick off those two states, but I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

    As most readers of the Unz report probably know, the Sunshine State has restored voting rights to former felons. As many as 1.5 million people could be added to the voter rolls because of the new policy, and a disproportionate number of them will be Democrats. Trump carried Florida by just under 113,000 votes in 2016; he will be hard-pressed to win the 270 electoral votes needed for reelection if he loses the Sunshine State.

    I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

    Texas has even more electoral votes than Florida and if Beto O’Rourke is the Democratic nominee for President in 2020 (very likely) then Texas will probably vote blue and the reincarnation of Bobby Kennedy would be the next President.

  78. @bomag
    The Donald has been counted out before and came back.

    The power of demographics is final, but in 2020:

    )He'll be an incumbent.

    )The Libertarians and other right leaning third party types will give him more votes as opposed to 2016's tossing a vote in the third party bucket

    )The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.

    The Donald has been counted out before and came back. The power of demographics is final, but in 2020: )He’ll be an incumbent.

    I predict that Trump will have a Republican primary challenger. Several conservative “thought leaders” seem to have turned on him since the mid-terms.

    • Replies: @A123
    Depends on who it is....

    Jeff Flake and John Kasich are likely to run, but might turn out to be Trump positive when they undergo RINO crash-n-burn.

    The economy has a great deal of positive inertia right now, and stock market gyrations really are not that important. Barr will force the Mueller sham to wrap-up, so no vulnerabilities there either.

    Egos are big in politics, but it is hard to imagine a serious challenger stepping forward unless there are major new developments.
    _____

    What will happen on the other side is likely to be more colorful and counterproductive. So far, the best the DNC can offer are candidates that have lost like Beto and Gillum, failed re-runs H. Clinton and Sanders, and easy targets like Senator 1/1,024th.......
  79. I’m a little shocked that Hawaii, the place with British-style gun control and reps like Tulsi Gabbard (who I like btw) is a pink state. I certainly wouldn’t have guessed that. For Trump to win, he has to hold his core states and flip one or two states that he didn’t get in 2016. Colorado and Minnesota should be high on his campaigning agenda in 2020. Moronic open borders hothead Gary Johnson did surprisingly well in Colorado which hurt Trump. I’d wager that the only reason he did so well is because he’s from a neighboring state.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’m a little shocked that Hawaii, the place with British-style gun control...
     
    Not quite. They voted down a handgun ban several years ago. Britons would endorse such a thing overwhelmingly.

    Still, there is that flag...

    https://carrot-top.com/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/h/a/hawaii_mini_flag_4x6_1.jpg


    On this chart (or graph, whatever), Hawaii is the biggest outlier:


    https://assets.weforum.org/editor/j7ORHMj_4T0GZLY_K2iZ1l4ApsoPJpwSbUR4Dc6uwS8.png


    Tied for tenth in gun ownership? Whodathunkit?

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Hawaii is only 21% white. Those whites, largely of Portuguese descent, have relatively low levels of educational attainment and there is a large military presence in the state.
  80. @Bliss
    Trump vs Schumer was fun. Two New Yorkers arguing passionately. Schumer started very aggressively, even rudely, but Trump had the (forceful) last word.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.

    Politeness, n: The most acceptable hypocrisy.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Bierce

    One must admit, their behavior was relatively polite.

    How to School a Hypocrite!

  81. Trump just declared that if he is impeached the people will rise up. (CNN)
    Ja right!
    American whites have less guts than a dish washing rug.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    I don't know what planet you're living on.

    But here on Earth, it's never been that wise to tick off the “white” man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDMUekfOR-E
    , @Rabbinical Rube

    Trump just declared that if he is impeached the people will rise up. (CNN)

     

    why would anyone rise up for him, he hasn't done anything on the wall or deportations

    at this point i'm happy to see him impeached and thrown in jail
  82. @JLK

    The Donald has been counted out before and came back. The power of demographics is final, but in 2020: )He’ll be an incumbent.
     
    I predict that Trump will have a Republican primary challenger. Several conservative "thought leaders" seem to have turned on him since the mid-terms.

    Depends on who it is….

    Jeff Flake and John Kasich are likely to run, but might turn out to be Trump positive when they undergo RINO crash-n-burn.

    The economy has a great deal of positive inertia right now, and stock market gyrations really are not that important. Barr will force the Mueller sham to wrap-up, so no vulnerabilities there either.

    Egos are big in politics, but it is hard to imagine a serious challenger stepping forward unless there are major new developments.
    _____

    What will happen on the other side is likely to be more colorful and counterproductive. So far, the best the DNC can offer are candidates that have lost like Beto and Gillum, failed re-runs H. Clinton and Sanders, and easy targets like Senator 1/1,024th…….

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    If you consider O’Rourke to be merely “a candidate who lost”, you’re selling him short AND underestimating the burgeoning non-white and often anti-white voter pool in Texas.

    He’s a candidate who lost by a fairly narrow margin in a State where republicans have won resounding victories statewide, in both federal and state elections, over and over during the past few decades. Take him and the dangerous political trend in Texas seriously.

    I’ll guess trump will win Texas in 2020, but the midterm US Senate result there was a harbinger of the end of the Republican party’s chances — indeed, the chances of any party that is not avowedly antiwhite — in a presidential election.

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district starting in 2024 or 2028. Otherwise, Texas’s massive trove of electoral votes will start all going to the Dems, creating a second California and making it nearly mathematically impossible for Democrats to lose the presidency (with a lock on all electoral votes from CA, TX, NY, IL, NJ, MA, and now perhaps FL with felons voting).

  83. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Trump just declared that if he is impeached the people will rise up. (CNN)
    Ja right!
    American whites have less guts than a dish washing rug.

    I don’t know what planet you’re living on.

    But here on Earth, it’s never been that wise to tick off the “white” man.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Doesn’t matter much when there won’t be many white and even half-white PRO-WHITE people around soon.
  84. @bomag
    The Donald has been counted out before and came back.

    The power of demographics is final, but in 2020:

    )He'll be an incumbent.

    )The Libertarians and other right leaning third party types will give him more votes as opposed to 2016's tossing a vote in the third party bucket

    )The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.

    The Dems are poised to nominate a crippled candidate.

    From what I’ve seen they’re all crippled.

  85. You are soooooooooooooo ridiculous. If American white men did not “tick of” by blames of racism emigration and Zionist control of their successive governments, American white man will not get “tick off” even if they will get run over by a truck.
    I am not suggesting any violence, but it is time to show their people’s will.

  86. Except for California and NY the map doesn’t look bad for Republicans. Unfortunately most of their leadership is deep in the pockets of the NEOCON/Zionist/Globalist Cabal.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    no,

    Unz is correct.

    the Republiscam pty is in a self-created

    demographic deathtrap.

    and the sooner it dies, the better for non-urban Whites:

    then they will have no place to go but further Right.

    much

    further Right.
  87. @crimson2

    want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.
     
    Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you're paranoid.

    Wouldn’t you be happier on the NYT forum?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    He was banned for being too conservative.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Wouldn’t you be happier on the NYT forum?
     
    Or The Advocate's?
    , @anonymous
    @crimson2 would be happier on WaPo, the commenters are worse assholes than the NYT. He'd fit right in.
  88. @Mr McKenna

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.
     


    does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?
     
    You answered your own question. Mass-media propaganda is very effective, it takes many forms, and it's been working for several decades now.

    sure. +

    a saturation K-12 (or K-16) collectivist brainwash via the jew.gov indoctrination centers-alias”public schools”.

    I think it’s remarkable that there are still so many young hardRights out there.

    autism (cf. 4-Chan) I suppose.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    Married parents aren't hanging around the public schools like they once did. They're homeschooling, using public schools as private schools (charters/magnets/specialized programs within a school or school district, homeschooling using the public school's resources but getting to skip the parts of the curriculum they don't like), doing a lot more co-ops and private schools and also pushing their kids into earlier college work. The exit has already started.
  89. @Johnny Smoggins
    "That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway."

    Is it? A beloved fantasy of the alt right is that any day now debt will crush western governments and usher in a chance for a reset. I'm sure eventually that's going to happen but not in the lifetime of anyone currently living. There's too much at stake to allow for that to happen and governments can just keep printing more money and piling on the debt indefinitely (for now).

    It's going to be hell for our great, great grandchildren though.

    if the Judeo-globalist debtPonzi’conomy

    which purchases consent

    does not collapse fairly soon,

    Whites in North America will be a minority by 2028-2030,

    and extinct by 2070-2090. Johnny Smoggins’ “great, great grandchildren” (assuming he’s White)

    will never be born. When (((Susan Sontag))) wrote (Partisan Review, 1967)

    “the White Race is the cancer of human history”

    the Jewess

    meant every word of it.

  90. @follyofwar
    Mr. Trump has wasted two years going to pep rallies in MAGA land and demanding The Wall. How much has he accomplished to date? Does he think he can intimidate tough characters like Pelosi and Schumer by such a blatant public ambush? Those tactics may have worked in the boardroom, but they won't work here. I hate the policies of Pelosi and Schumer, but Trump is not their boss and he cannot tell them "You're Fired." When he was first elected, why didn't the President employ these same rough tactics on cuckservative Speaker Paul Ryan, who did everything within his considerable power to derail Trump's agenda?

    Mr. Trump has been unfairly beaten down by the combined forces of the deep state for the past two years. Still, to use W's term, he is The Decider, but has caved at every crisis point. The Wall is now Trump's figurative Maginot Line. Short of starting yet another war, it's pretty much all he has left.

    more Trump performance art,

    same as got him elected. In fact,

    Chuck Schumer is Trump’s pet Senator,

    and has been all along: Trump contributed heavily to all his election campaigns.

    Mein Gott…you Trumphaholics are dense.

    but then you wouldn’t have voted for him in the first place

    if you weren’t dumb as a a box of rocks.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Please! Tell me something about yourself!!
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Hillary Clinton agrees with you.
  91. @Randy the Auditor

    16.LondonBob says:

    I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally.
     
    It is possible for The Donald to pick off those two states, but I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

    As most readers of the Unz report probably know, the Sunshine State has restored voting rights to former felons. As many as 1.5 million people could be added to the voter rolls because of the new policy, and a disproportionate number of them will be Democrats. Trump carried Florida by just under 113,000 votes in 2016; he will be hard-pressed to win the 270 electoral votes needed for reelection if he loses the Sunshine State.

    and not only Florida:

    if the only-slightly-less-stupid-party, demoncrats, nominate Beto

    it’s likely that Tejas will flip as well.

    G’bye Trump, and

    good riddance.

    from a White viewpoint, Trump has been an unrequited disaster:

    jew’d (see: Kushner, Wall Street) on every populist promise that got him elected,

    threw a wet blanket over the Right, while

    vastly energizing the Left, and

    in his 4 years the White population (collapsed birthrate, boomer die-off) will have dropped by c. 4% while the non-White population (positive birthrates, legal/illegal insourcing) will have increased by a like amount.

    Trump didn’t “gain us 4 years”

    he lost us 4 years.

    • Replies: @Tony
    nigga you trippin
  92. Does this include the Zoomers eligible to vote in 2020?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    No. Unfortunately the God-Emperor insurgent of the campaign was far more attractive to ZFG white teenagers who see what the system has in store for them than President Trump, whose executive actions have overlapped with what a President Jeb or Rubio would've done at a rate of about 90%, is.
  93. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Trump just declared that if he is impeached the people will rise up. (CNN)
    Ja right!
    American whites have less guts than a dish washing rug.

    Trump just declared that if he is impeached the people will rise up. (CNN)

    why would anyone rise up for him, he hasn’t done anything on the wall or deportations

    at this point i’m happy to see him impeached and thrown in jail

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Obviously you are blind.
    Trump has his hands tied. he has his feet tied.
    He even has his penis tied.
    But I do agree with you sooner he is gone the better.
    It will positively quicken the demise of US.
    .......................................................................................
    This all is Netanyahu's doing because of presence of Iran's troops in Syria.
    I could explain it to you, but I do not feel like for the moment.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Your idol HC will not replace him.

    You are insane.

    AJM
  94. @Z-man
    Except for California and NY the map doesn't look bad for Republicans. Unfortunately most of their leadership is deep in the pockets of the NEOCON/Zionist/Globalist Cabal.

    no,

    Unz is correct.

    the Republiscam pty is in a self-created

    demographic deathtrap.

    and the sooner it dies, the better for non-urban Whites:

    then they will have no place to go but further Right.

    much

    further Right.

  95. @Haxo Angmark
    more Trump performance art,

    same as got him elected. In fact,

    Chuck Schumer is Trump's pet Senator,

    and has been all along: Trump contributed heavily to all his election campaigns.

    Mein Gott...you Trumphaholics are dense.

    but then you wouldn't have voted for him in the first place

    if you weren't dumb as a a box of rocks.

    Please! Tell me something about yourself!!

  96. @Haxo Angmark
    sure. +

    a saturation K-12 (or K-16) collectivist brainwash via the jew.gov indoctrination centers-alias"public schools".

    I think it's remarkable that there are still so many young hardRights out there.

    autism (cf. 4-Chan) I suppose.

    Married parents aren’t hanging around the public schools like they once did. They’re homeschooling, using public schools as private schools (charters/magnets/specialized programs within a school or school district, homeschooling using the public school’s resources but getting to skip the parts of the curriculum they don’t like), doing a lot more co-ops and private schools and also pushing their kids into earlier college work. The exit has already started.

  97. @Rabbinical Rube

    Trump just declared that if he is impeached the people will rise up. (CNN)

     

    why would anyone rise up for him, he hasn't done anything on the wall or deportations

    at this point i'm happy to see him impeached and thrown in jail

    Obviously you are blind.
    Trump has his hands tied. he has his feet tied.
    He even has his penis tied.
    But I do agree with you sooner he is gone the better.
    It will positively quicken the demise of US.
    ……………………………………………………………………………
    This all is Netanyahu’s doing because of presence of Iran’s troops in Syria.
    I could explain it to you, but I do not feel like for the moment.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " The sooner he is gone the better"

    He is the best thing to happen to the US, considering all of the forked-tongued scumbags preceeding him, in decades.

    You are out of your mind, and obviously not aware of the fact that your idol HC will not replace him.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified sine 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz musician.
  98. @Charles Pewitt
    The "White" is more important than the "Republicanism."

    And the European Christian is more important than the White.

    Trump won the presidency by combining the German Strategy and The Southern Strategy to win the Great Lakes states and the Southern states and Florida.

    The German Strategy is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states.

    The Southern Strategy is to win the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states in combination with the votes of ethnic Catholics in the Northern states.

    Trump won Florida by winning the Anglo-Celts in the northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and snowbirds from the Northern states.

    Trump has turned his back on his European Christian voter base, and they will return the favor by supporting a candidate in the 2020 GOP presidential primary who explicitly advances the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    A Kasich or a Flake type GOP globalizer will grab the votes of upper middle class Whites in the 2020 GOP presidential primary, and the explicitly White candidate will get the votes of Whites Without College Degrees that Trump has abandoned and betrayed.

    “the explicitly White candidate will get the votes of Whites Without College Degrees that Trump has abandoned and betrayed”

    Do you really think such a candidate will be allowed?

  99. @Steve in Greensboro
    Of course, what hasn't been accounted for in AE's analysis (I think) is the ongoing realization by whites that all the Dem candidates (and all the likely Republican primary challengers) are anti-white.

    And that issues whites care about are largely dead letters to other groups.
    The memes of 2020 will be photo-quote pairings with cites of things like Pelosi babbling about her nonwhite grandson’s skin.

  100. I would also say that the more Republican the state the greater the belief that the Deep State secret police has fidelity, bravery, and integrity.

  101. @Plato's Dream
    Wouldn't you be happier on the NYT forum?

    He was banned for being too conservative.

  102. @crimson2
    The only election fraud is in North Carolina where Republicans tried to steal an election.

    The only election fraud is in North Carolina where Republicans tried to steal an election.

    I think the proper phrasing is “were caught trying”. Amateurs horning in on professionals’ territory.

  103. @Haxo Angmark
    more Trump performance art,

    same as got him elected. In fact,

    Chuck Schumer is Trump's pet Senator,

    and has been all along: Trump contributed heavily to all his election campaigns.

    Mein Gott...you Trumphaholics are dense.

    but then you wouldn't have voted for him in the first place

    if you weren't dumb as a a box of rocks.

    Hillary Clinton agrees with you.

  104. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i’m baffled.

    I wasn’t aware Europeans were voting in any states. They must be worried that Mexicans and Hondurans won’t be enough.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    They live in highly segregated areas. And somebody has to organize the mess. They see jobs in it.

  105. @Haxo Angmark
    and not only Florida:

    if the only-slightly-less-stupid-party, demoncrats, nominate Beto

    it's likely that Tejas will flip as well.

    G'bye Trump, and

    good riddance.

    from a White viewpoint, Trump has been an unrequited disaster:

    jew'd (see: Kushner, Wall Street) on every populist promise that got him elected,

    threw a wet blanket over the Right, while

    vastly energizing the Left, and

    in his 4 years the White population (collapsed birthrate, boomer die-off) will have dropped by c. 4% while the non-White population (positive birthrates, legal/illegal insourcing) will have increased by a like amount.

    Trump didn't "gain us 4 years"

    he lost us 4 years.

    nigga you trippin

  106. “How do you know what they voted for? All you know is what you were told they voted for.”

    did you mean what the europeans in california voted for, on the 2018 ballot issues? with regard to the gasoline tax? or were you saying, what they’re voting for, nationwide?

    because in pennsylvania i know what they voted for, and it’s total nonsense. another example, like the california gasoline tax:

    trump, the first president in…ever? comes to pittsburgh in 2016 and says, yes, steel! yes, natural gas! yes, industry! yes jobs, yes america. what do you guys say? want to make america great again?

    pittsburgh voters: screw you! the mayor: hey trump – die asshole!

    in 2018, the democrat senator, democrat governor, and every democrat rep in pennsylvania all have the same message – europeans must go, we will take your guns, we will raise your taxes, we will offshore all these industrial jobs, we will replace you with indians and chinese and mexicans. pennsylvania voters say: yes please! sounds great! result: one sided voting sweep in the state.

    one rep in pittsburgh even said on a hot mic, caught by accident: my constituents are racists, worthless, and they have to go. what happens? they vote her in with a landslide.

    in the past, it made sense to me why lots of union guys and other blue collar workers voted democrat. IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL NOW, though. none. the gig is up. the secret is out. the democrats want to crush all those blue collar guys.

    trump offers to help them, republicans offer a way out? DIE REPUBLICANS!
    democrats PROMISE to destroy the people who vote for them? yes please, i’d like more of that.

    i imagine it’s the same in many other states. i understand why some europeans vote democrat. especially in the past. their reasons made sense. but at this point it doesn’t make sense for 50% of them to be voting democrat, in any state. it’s obvious suicide.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Pennsylvanians outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh rarely ever see minorities. And Pittsburgh has been whitening over the years, and gentrifying.

    So immigration doesn't look all that bad when the immigrants aren't coming to your town.

    Also, Pennsylvania has long had the lowest rate of both in-migration and out-migration among the states. So it's possible that many Keystoners have never encountered a "person of color", short of during a stint in the military.

  107. @Bragadocious
    I'm a little shocked that Hawaii, the place with British-style gun control and reps like Tulsi Gabbard (who I like btw) is a pink state. I certainly wouldn't have guessed that. For Trump to win, he has to hold his core states and flip one or two states that he didn't get in 2016. Colorado and Minnesota should be high on his campaigning agenda in 2020. Moronic open borders hothead Gary Johnson did surprisingly well in Colorado which hurt Trump. I'd wager that the only reason he did so well is because he's from a neighboring state.

    I’m a little shocked that Hawaii, the place with British-style gun control…

    Not quite. They voted down a handgun ban several years ago. Britons would endorse such a thing overwhelmingly.

    Still, there is that flag…

    On this chart (or graph, whatever), Hawaii is the biggest outlier:

    Tied for tenth in gun ownership? Whodathunkit?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Oddly, this graph disagrees with the other very strongly about Hawaii:



    http://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/gun_deaths1.png
  108. Trump’s chances of reelection are slim. R-I currently shows Republicans with an 8-point advantage over Democrats among whites. In the 2016 presidential election, Trump beat Clinton by by 20 points among whites.

    Fortunately, Trump will not be running against GENERIC DEMOCRAT. When the identity of the actual Democratic nominee is revealed, these numbers will look much better for the President. Presidents tend to get re-elected, and the Democrats are in a particularly goofy phase just now. I really don’t see 2020 being their year. Although Tulsi Gabbard definitely worries me. She’ll probably wind up much like Jim Webb did last time, however. Being a liberal Democrat has become a sort of religion, and if you’re not ideologically perfect, you’re a heretic, and you will get approximately zero votes in the primary. Her status as female PoC might allow her to do about as well as Bernie did last time, but I suspect that’s her ceiling.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    When the identity of the actual Democratic nominee is revealed, these numbers will look much better for the President. Presidents tend to get re-elected, and the Democrats are in a particularly goofy phase just now.
     
    Yeah, but it might be so bad that they chicken out and nominate a carrot cake like this Beto guy. Who sounds like a clean Clinton-- reassuring whites while mopping up votes of color. That could be very problematic for Republicans.
  109. @prime noticer
    "How do you know what they voted for? All you know is what you were told they voted for."

    did you mean what the europeans in california voted for, on the 2018 ballot issues? with regard to the gasoline tax? or were you saying, what they're voting for, nationwide?

    because in pennsylvania i know what they voted for, and it's total nonsense. another example, like the california gasoline tax:

    trump, the first president in...ever? comes to pittsburgh in 2016 and says, yes, steel! yes, natural gas! yes, industry! yes jobs, yes america. what do you guys say? want to make america great again?

    pittsburgh voters: screw you! the mayor: hey trump - die asshole!

    in 2018, the democrat senator, democrat governor, and every democrat rep in pennsylvania all have the same message - europeans must go, we will take your guns, we will raise your taxes, we will offshore all these industrial jobs, we will replace you with indians and chinese and mexicans. pennsylvania voters say: yes please! sounds great! result: one sided voting sweep in the state.

    one rep in pittsburgh even said on a hot mic, caught by accident: my constituents are racists, worthless, and they have to go. what happens? they vote her in with a landslide.

    in the past, it made sense to me why lots of union guys and other blue collar workers voted democrat. IT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL NOW, though. none. the gig is up. the secret is out. the democrats want to crush all those blue collar guys.

    trump offers to help them, republicans offer a way out? DIE REPUBLICANS!
    democrats PROMISE to destroy the people who vote for them? yes please, i'd like more of that.

    i imagine it's the same in many other states. i understand why some europeans vote democrat. especially in the past. their reasons made sense. but at this point it doesn't make sense for 50% of them to be voting democrat, in any state. it's obvious suicide.

    Pennsylvanians outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh rarely ever see minorities. And Pittsburgh has been whitening over the years, and gentrifying.

    So immigration doesn’t look all that bad when the immigrants aren’t coming to your town.

    Also, Pennsylvania has long had the lowest rate of both in-migration and out-migration among the states. So it’s possible that many Keystoners have never encountered a “person of color”, short of during a stint in the military.

    • Replies: @JLK

    Pennsylvanians outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh rarely ever see minorities. And Pittsburgh has been whitening over the years, and gentrifying.
     
    Harrisburg is 52% black, 3.5% Asian and 18% Hispanic. Cities like York, Reading and Easton (favorite son is Larry Holmes) have substantial black populations as well.
  110. “Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you’re paranoid.”

    it’s evident that parents want straight children, whereas leftists want to turn kids into homos, or barring that, trans.

    i’m surprised anybody would still use that line at this point. that nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. i figured leftists stopped using that one a few years ago, after they mostly won this battle.

    1) homos are no different than you or me
    2) homos should be welcome to come out of the closet
    3) homos should be able to serve in the military
    4) homos risk their lives for you! the least you can do is allow them to get married
    5) nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight, don’t worry about gay teachers, priests, boy scout leaders
    5) open homos should be able to be mayor, senator, or even president. a homosexual can represent their straight constituents’ interests and goals just as well as any straight politician
    6) oh my god, homos are senators already. what’s the big deal? homo activists have a place in the educational system, and you’re a bigot for trying to stop them
    7) haha. we gay’d up all your kids and turned like 20% of them into confused, sexually unsure, millenial people, created a new protected political class, reduced your birthrate even further, and sowed a new line of division and discord into your society. we won, you lost.
    8) (who knows, but something insane)

    we’re at about point 7 on the homo agenda scale, your tired old line is somewhere around 4 or 5 on the homo agenda scale.

    note also that leftists have a similar battle plan for the third world invasion and open borders, as well as one for voting fraud. depending on the stage of the battle, the unified objection line changes.

  111. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Trump’s chances of reelection are slim. R-I currently shows Republicans with an 8-point advantage over Democrats among whites. In the 2016 presidential election, Trump beat Clinton by by 20 points among whites.
     
    Fortunately, Trump will not be running against GENERIC DEMOCRAT. When the identity of the actual Democratic nominee is revealed, these numbers will look much better for the President. Presidents tend to get re-elected, and the Democrats are in a particularly goofy phase just now. I really don't see 2020 being their year. Although Tulsi Gabbard definitely worries me. She'll probably wind up much like Jim Webb did last time, however. Being a liberal Democrat has become a sort of religion, and if you're not ideologically perfect, you're a heretic, and you will get approximately zero votes in the primary. Her status as female PoC might allow her to do about as well as Bernie did last time, but I suspect that's her ceiling.

    When the identity of the actual Democratic nominee is revealed, these numbers will look much better for the President. Presidents tend to get re-elected, and the Democrats are in a particularly goofy phase just now.

    Yeah, but it might be so bad that they chicken out and nominate a carrot cake like this Beto guy. Who sounds like a clean Clinton– reassuring whites while mopping up votes of color. That could be very problematic for Republicans.

  112. @crimson2

    want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.
     
    Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you're paranoid.

    Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you’re paranoid.

    Nobody cares in the leukosphere, i.e., the white man’s world. But normal-thinking races still care very much.

  113. @Plato's Dream
    Wouldn't you be happier on the NYT forum?

    Wouldn’t you be happier on the NYT forum?

    Or The Advocate’s?

  114. @Reg Cæsar
    Pennsylvanians outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh rarely ever see minorities. And Pittsburgh has been whitening over the years, and gentrifying.

    So immigration doesn't look all that bad when the immigrants aren't coming to your town.

    Also, Pennsylvania has long had the lowest rate of both in-migration and out-migration among the states. So it's possible that many Keystoners have never encountered a "person of color", short of during a stint in the military.

    Pennsylvanians outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh rarely ever see minorities. And Pittsburgh has been whitening over the years, and gentrifying.

    Harrisburg is 52% black, 3.5% Asian and 18% Hispanic. Cities like York, Reading and Easton (favorite son is Larry Holmes) have substantial black populations as well.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Yeah, but they're small. At less than 0.5% of its state's population, Harrisburg has got to be 49th or 50th on that stat. Only Albany and Annapolis come close.
  115. hey reg caeser:

    are you a yinzer? have you been living in pittsburgh on and off your entire life for over 40 years? is your family yinzers going back over 100 years? do you have steel workers in your family? know any executives at US Steel? any family members who worked for Westinghouse? Do you even know where Johnstown is?

    no?

    THEN YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.

    don’t tell me about what’s happening in pittsburgh or what it’s like, because you have no idea.

    NOT ONE THING you said makes any sense or even accurately describes what’s going on in the burgh.

    i’d wager you’ve never even set foot in the burgh.

    i don’t think pittsburgh is some big important city either. in fact, it’s in decline. but it is an industrial city, i know it extremely well, and what the life long democrat blue collar voters are doing today, in 2018, makes NO SENSE.

    the only thing that makes sense is democrat liars like conor lamb, who LIE about what they’re gonna do, then turn around and do the exact opposite. when people get tricked by lying democrats, at least that makes some kind of sense. the first time.

    by the way, there are literally a hundred thousand africans in the pittsburgh area, and just about that many indians. one of the biggest hindu temples in the US is in pittsburgh.

    you’re clueless. do you even know who lou barletta is? want to take a guess why he’s nationally prominent?

    he’s the guy the guy who wants to save eastern pennsylvania from being overrun by illegals from mexico, puerto rico, and central america.

    pennsylvanians CRUSHED him in the election.

  116. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m a little shocked that Hawaii, the place with British-style gun control...
     
    Not quite. They voted down a handgun ban several years ago. Britons would endorse such a thing overwhelmingly.

    Still, there is that flag...

    https://carrot-top.com/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/h/a/hawaii_mini_flag_4x6_1.jpg


    On this chart (or graph, whatever), Hawaii is the biggest outlier:


    https://assets.weforum.org/editor/j7ORHMj_4T0GZLY_K2iZ1l4ApsoPJpwSbUR4Dc6uwS8.png


    Tied for tenth in gun ownership? Whodathunkit?

    Oddly, this graph disagrees with the other very strongly about Hawaii:

    • Replies: @A123
    Of course, by state is an intentionally deceptive way of presenting the data.

    In gun prohibiting Chicago, legal ownership is low and gun deaths are high.

    In downstate Illinois, away from Chicago, responsible and legal ownership is high and deaths are low.
  117. Trump will not have a cakewalk in 2020 just like any other Republican would considering the demographics, but to say his chances of reelection are slim is asinine.

    He was within 1% in 2016 of flipping New Hampshire & Minnesota and within just a few percent of flipping Maine, Colorado & Nevada.

  118. @Johnny Smoggins
    "That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway."

    Is it? A beloved fantasy of the alt right is that any day now debt will crush western governments and usher in a chance for a reset. I'm sure eventually that's going to happen but not in the lifetime of anyone currently living. There's too much at stake to allow for that to happen and governments can just keep printing more money and piling on the debt indefinitely (for now).

    It's going to be hell for our great, great grandchildren though.

    …like present-day warnings of the 2nd coming of Christ which was supposed to happen in 100 AD… still waiting…

  119. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Happy to have AE here.

    Thank you very much. Happy to be here.

  120. @TelfoedJohn
    Can someone explain the big difference between North Dakota and Minnesota? As far as I know, they’re ethnically quite similar.

    Minnesota is more urban. That’s the bulk of the explanation. Compare here to here.

  121. @A Random Dude
    Happy to have you on Unz, AE! I agree that eventually blogger would have shoahed your site. Everything further to the right than the "intellectual dark web" is getting purged these days, more aggressively than ever.

    Glad to see you here. Your comments are second to none.

  122. @Stick
    What are the odds that the Dem Primary will be a circus and collapse when no single fringe is willing to compromise for 'the party?' Does anyone do those estimates? Personally, I'm hoping for Spartacus to lead the slave revolt. Then Bezos can become Crassus and restore the Triumvirate with Trump and Pompeo. Then we can send Bezos to Syria.

    Maybe I have blinders on, but Harris prevents that. None of the three wings are pissed with her as nominee. The Sanders/prog wing is the least happy but they’re also the most pussy-whipped of the Democrat coalition who will do whatever they’re told to do to stop the bad orange man.

  123. @Reuben Kaspate
    Save Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina all ten of the original colonies have gone to the dogs, I mean Democrats, including the nation's capital... the two coasts are like vise, squeezing the life out of old America.

    Georgia’s and North Carolina’s days are numbered. South Carolina, which is one of the only states in the country that has actually become *more* white over the last fifty years, will soon be the sole holdout.

  124. @Thulean Friend
    Welcome, Anep. I'm glad you're here. You have one of the best blogs on the internet and it deserves all the visibility it can get.

    Thank you very much. I’m glad to be here.

  125. @Charles Pewitt

    Additionally, the US may be in a steep economic recession by the end of 2020 with interest rates at just 2.X% instead of the 5.X% as was the case in 2008. With a decade of near-zero rates in the rear view mirror quantitative easing will lead to stagflation this time around.

     

    The Pewitt Plan will put the federal funds rate at 10 percent in order to pop the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate.

    The WASP/JEW ruling class slobs at the globalized Federal Reserve Bank no longer talk about "normalizing" interest rates.

    Former Fed Chair Janet Yellen was in Paris a few years ago and she was screaming about "normalizing" interest rates. Presumably, Yellen meant getting the federal funds rate to the "normal" level of 6 percent.

    Current Fed Chair Powell abandoned all talk about "normalizing" the federal funds rate and he now talks about the "neutral rate" of interest for the federal funds rate.

    Powell knows that the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would implode if the Fed got anywhere close to 6 percent on the federal funds rate, so now Powell just uses the "neutral rate" language to cloud the issue.

    I say 4 percent on the federal funds rate would be enough to set of the asset bubble implosion in stocks, bonds and real estate.

    I am a patriot, so the Pewitt Plan to raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent would be in the long term interests of the United States. It would mostly financially liquidate people born before 1965, and it would make real estate cheap for young Americans.

    The Pewitt Plan also includes a mass deportation of foreigners to further cause the implosion of the real estate bubble.

    The Pewitt Plan would provide a good way to create opportunities for affordable family formation for young people in the USA.

    Trump has betrayed his voter base, and the voter base will not support him in the 2020 GOP presidential primary.

    The economy has been running on energy drinks for a decade now. Easing the caffeine intake isn’t going to keep the thing from crashing.

    • Replies: @map
    No, this is a huge misunderstanding.

    The economy was fine before 2008. There was no asset bubble; no irrational exuberance; no fraud.

    The Fed simply decided that the rising markets and housing prices was a problem, so they set the federal funds rate to destroy the economy. The tipping point then was 3.5%. The crash was at 5.25%.

    Remember, the prime rate and the federal funds rate moves together. There is about a 3%-point difference, so if the FFR is at 1%, the prime eventually moves to 4% or more.

    What do you think happens to an adjustable-rate mortgage when the prime rate is at 8.25%?
  126. @Bliss
    Trump vs Schumer was fun. Two New Yorkers arguing passionately. Schumer started very aggressively, even rudely, but Trump had the (forceful) last word.

    Trump is dead serious about building that Wall. Most likely he will have no choice but to bypass Congress and get the Military to build it, as he is threatening to do.

    During the primaries I was fond of stating that 1) Trump’s campaign was a national referendum on a wall, and 2) The wall (or lack thereof) will be a referendum on Trump’s first term. I stand by that assessment.

  127. @Randy the Auditor

    16.LondonBob says:

    I can see Trump being comfortably reelected with Minnesota and New Hampshire being added to his tally.
     
    It is possible for The Donald to pick off those two states, but I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

    As most readers of the Unz report probably know, the Sunshine State has restored voting rights to former felons. As many as 1.5 million people could be added to the voter rolls because of the new policy, and a disproportionate number of them will be Democrats. Trump carried Florida by just under 113,000 votes in 2016; he will be hard-pressed to win the 270 electoral votes needed for reelection if he loses the Sunshine State.

    Indeed. And it’s a one-two punch, as many Puerto Ricans have made their way to Florida in the aftermath of the hurricane (and since the 2016 election).

    Otoh, it’s worth keeping in mind that if Trump reached in using the Sailer Strategy enough to maintain the upper Midwestern states he won in 2016, he could lose Florida and still win the EC.

  128. @Bragadocious
    I'm a little shocked that Hawaii, the place with British-style gun control and reps like Tulsi Gabbard (who I like btw) is a pink state. I certainly wouldn't have guessed that. For Trump to win, he has to hold his core states and flip one or two states that he didn't get in 2016. Colorado and Minnesota should be high on his campaigning agenda in 2020. Moronic open borders hothead Gary Johnson did surprisingly well in Colorado which hurt Trump. I'd wager that the only reason he did so well is because he's from a neighboring state.

    Hawaii is only 21% white. Those whites, largely of Portuguese descent, have relatively low levels of educational attainment and there is a large military presence in the state.

  129. @Cao Cao
    Does this include the Zoomers eligible to vote in 2020?

    No. Unfortunately the God-Emperor insurgent of the campaign was far more attractive to ZFG white teenagers who see what the system has in store for them than President Trump, whose executive actions have overlapped with what a President Jeb or Rubio would’ve done at a rate of about 90%, is.

  130. @the grand wazoo
    For the past 18 months it has been my opinion; Trump needs to talk to and appeal directly to the American people to hit the streets.q In his speech he must honestly expose the forces behind the scenes which continually cause him to retract statements already made. his meeting with Putin, and birthing rights are just 2 examples. If his life has been threatened he must tell us. If heknows where the bodies are buried he has to tell us. He's a dynamic personality who could bring the nation together by being open and honest. We are tired of secrets, and we're tired of being ignored. By not asking the public for help he slowly digs his own grave. We can save him and our self, if he trusts us.

    You should have realized you were dreaming when Trump reneged on his promise to release all the JFK files

  131. @JLK

    Pennsylvanians outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh rarely ever see minorities. And Pittsburgh has been whitening over the years, and gentrifying.
     
    Harrisburg is 52% black, 3.5% Asian and 18% Hispanic. Cities like York, Reading and Easton (favorite son is Larry Holmes) have substantial black populations as well.

    Yeah, but they’re small. At less than 0.5% of its state’s population, Harrisburg has got to be 49th or 50th on that stat. Only Albany and Annapolis come close.

  132. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Obviously you are blind.
    Trump has his hands tied. he has his feet tied.
    He even has his penis tied.
    But I do agree with you sooner he is gone the better.
    It will positively quicken the demise of US.
    .......................................................................................
    This all is Netanyahu's doing because of presence of Iran's troops in Syria.
    I could explain it to you, but I do not feel like for the moment.

    ” The sooner he is gone the better”

    He is the best thing to happen to the US, considering all of the forked-tongued scumbags preceeding him, in decades.

    You are out of your mind, and obviously not aware of the fact that your idol HC will not replace him.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified sine 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are sincere person and do like you, But I am slightly ahead of you and My comments are difficult to understand. You have no clue what is Trump against
  133. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I don't know what to say.

    Trump has failed himself and us on most of his promises... obvious voter fraud going on in the midterms (disbanded the voter fraud commision). He is waiting until the last minute to start the wall, and I now doubt whether he will build it. The SALT reduction was smart, but of course the stupid blue state whites' response is to vote MORE Democrat. RAISE act not happening.

    Another area he has failed is education, by not reforming Commom Core, and he has also not reined in the government public sector. Under the Conservatives (Canada), the federal government was reduced in size. Why won't Trump do that?

    He is successful in his refugee policy, it's important to remember that. Basically no new muslims are getting into the USA. That said, this can be reversed by the next president.

    Trump gets an A for effort, but I'm afraid that he just doesn't have the mental capacity for the job. You can't just cut a deal when the other side is determined to lose money.

    The only strategy left is scorched earth. Declassify, be open about Deep state threats, and bring the house down. Will he do that? Don't hold your breath.

    ” but I’m afraid that he just doesn’t have the mental capacity”

    You obviously wouldn’t recognize a “Mental capacity” if it jumped in front of you:

    Look friend myself, a “Mensa” qualified “mental capacity” of the past forty-plus years, IQ test results above 150 points, I am telling you that DT is indeed a highly intelligent person who is more than “qualifed for the job”, a job in which he is forced by the lunatic Democrats to juggle eggs with boths hands and a foot, while walking a tight-rope with no safety net : Not only is he highly “qualified” he is in fact a hero and a the best thing to have come along for the US in ahundred years.

    AJM, “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

  134. @Rabbinical Rube

    Trump just declared that if he is impeached the people will rise up. (CNN)

     

    why would anyone rise up for him, he hasn't done anything on the wall or deportations

    at this point i'm happy to see him impeached and thrown in jail

    Your idol HC will not replace him.

    You are insane.

    AJM

  135. @Authenticjazzman
    " The sooner he is gone the better"

    He is the best thing to happen to the US, considering all of the forked-tongued scumbags preceeding him, in decades.

    You are out of your mind, and obviously not aware of the fact that your idol HC will not replace him.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified sine 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    You are sincere person and do like you, But I am slightly ahead of you and My comments are difficult to understand. You have no clue what is Trump against

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " You have no clue"

    Nope you have no clue, as there is nothing in this universe which you are aware of, and I am not aware of.

    AJM
  136. @EliteCommInc.
    So as I understand it. Based on the article the republican party sole reliance if need be on whites is a challenge to winning national elections.


    Having alienated, maligned, "criminalized" some 41,000,000 potential voters. The answer is to hand ringing and stirring up whites by any means necessary to vote republican. That sounds a familiar call to my ears. But feeling a bit of pinch, the intent is to advance even greater importance on IQ to justify the unwise socialization processes. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to deny 12% of the population access and ensure their assimilation into the main, after all. Maybe the rhetoric to malign said population was a just tad over the top.

    There's not a lick of evidence that indicates high IQ is required to have a functioning successful society. Nor is there evidence that high IQ is endemic in any particular gene or set of genes that indicates whites are smarter. In fact this very article suggests that whites in the US, including republicans have done themselves in. somehow, the high IQ gene missed the obvious, that skin color as a variable in social practice, thought and behavior is the least effective trait of measuring the same.

    Environment is and will be the predominant determinant in most subjective human development. Regardless of finely tuned the human animal to perfection, nothing impacts performance as much as environment. Even when that environment is pro-active to stimulating some cognitive superior development, it simply does not occur.

    Sure DNA determines biology. But neither IQ nor morality are objective artifacts. So the variables impacting the development of each or said subjective aspects of personality are to environment and by environment I mean both the physical and sociological. We know that even healthy biological development can be impacted profoundly by environment -- factors outside of dna instruction. It's a safe bet that is more the case with personality factors.

    The people in Florida who previously couldn’t vote, “criminalized” themselves by, well, committing felony crimes. What kind of masochist are you?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    I have no idea what the election in Florida has to do with my general comment about how the nation engaged in socializing blacks.


    The issue was not the felonies. The issue in Florida was whether the state Sec(?) and the elections engaged in categorizing non felons as felons so as to disenfranchise them from voting. That was the issue regarding felons. It was a complaint that felons could not vote.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/how-the-2000-election-in-florida-led-to-a-new-wave-of-voter-disenfranchisement/

    Get a grip my opposition concerning policies of democrats is not dependent on color. But taking of stock of reality - the truth of black white dynamics is not being a glutton for punishment. It's being honest enough so as to have ground to rebut their polity.

    But how and why you are pivoting to Florida is a beyond me. And that you seem to have mischaracterized the issue is merely colorizing is problematic. Apparently we have learned nothing from Sec Katherine Harris's misguided leadership and something less than honorable about the then Gov. of the state. That's disappointing.

    Polity over skin color is my preferred lean as hard as that may be.
  137. @A123
    Depends on who it is....

    Jeff Flake and John Kasich are likely to run, but might turn out to be Trump positive when they undergo RINO crash-n-burn.

    The economy has a great deal of positive inertia right now, and stock market gyrations really are not that important. Barr will force the Mueller sham to wrap-up, so no vulnerabilities there either.

    Egos are big in politics, but it is hard to imagine a serious challenger stepping forward unless there are major new developments.
    _____

    What will happen on the other side is likely to be more colorful and counterproductive. So far, the best the DNC can offer are candidates that have lost like Beto and Gillum, failed re-runs H. Clinton and Sanders, and easy targets like Senator 1/1,024th.......

    If you consider O’Rourke to be merely “a candidate who lost”, you’re selling him short AND underestimating the burgeoning non-white and often anti-white voter pool in Texas.

    He’s a candidate who lost by a fairly narrow margin in a State where republicans have won resounding victories statewide, in both federal and state elections, over and over during the past few decades. Take him and the dangerous political trend in Texas seriously.

    I’ll guess trump will win Texas in 2020, but the midterm US Senate result there was a harbinger of the end of the Republican party’s chances — indeed, the chances of any party that is not avowedly antiwhite — in a presidential election.

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district starting in 2024 or 2028. Otherwise, Texas’s massive trove of electoral votes will start all going to the Dems, creating a second California and making it nearly mathematically impossible for Democrats to lose the presidency (with a lock on all electoral votes from CA, TX, NY, IL, NJ, MA, and now perhaps FL with felons voting).

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    ps if clueless republicans had passed such legislation when they had the chance, under a Republican Governor who wouldn’t veto it, we (Americans) probably would be somewhat better off than we are. Republicans should enact legislation allocating electoral votes by congressional district whenever they have the chance in any State that has mostly gone to Dems in recent presidential elections (or is tipping that way).
    , @Bliss

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district
     
    If such a law were in place now Democrats would win 13 of the 38 electoral votes in Texas in 2020 instead of the 0 they won in 2016. And they would win 14 of the 29 electoral votes in Florida instead of the zero in 2016.

    If such a law was now in place in every state and the proportion of Democrats remained the same as in the incoming House, then the Democrats would win 290 of the electoral votes, 20 more than the 270 required for victory.

    As for the large number of felons getting the right to vote in Florida it will help the Republicans not the Democrats. For convicted white felons comfortably outnumber black felons in Florida, and whites are more likely to vote than blacks.
  138. @Authenticjazzman
    Bullshit, Democrats have been "stealing" elections for decades on end, and a running joke during the fifties in my home town of Detroit was that the Democrats, and the union honchos would be busing voters around the city from one voting station to the next, this amongst the manifold discrepancies uncovered in one election after another in favor of the Democrats right up to 2016.
    Democrats have always cheated their way into political power, and without their crooked machinations, they would never have "won" a single office, anywhere even Cal.

    AJM

    a running joke during the fifties

    Got any examples from this century?

  139. @Ron Unz

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.
     
    Yes, that's exactly correct and has generally been true for the last 20-odd years of presidential elections as well.

    I actually analyzed the whole thing almost a decade ago in a long article, which showed the results of a series of national cross-correlations analyses:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#non-whites-and-blacks

    That's actually the most central empirical fact of American politics and why (in my own opinion) the Trump political strategy is so totally wrong-headed and disastrous...

    Right. The Republican party has been recruiting racist whites for years. Now it’s all they’ve got. That’s why their power is shrinking.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    See comment 68 and the Maxine Waters quotation therein. Which party is using racial hatred and racial solidarity to win power? No fairminded observer could say only the republicans.
  140. @wayfarer
    I don't know what planet you're living on.

    But here on Earth, it's never been that wise to tick off the “white” man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDMUekfOR-E

    Doesn’t matter much when there won’t be many white and even half-white PRO-WHITE people around soon.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    An engineered “white genocide” may be in the works, but the joke's on these ignorant architects.

    Death is an illusion. As it's impossible to destroy the creator's engineered souls.

    Each divine soul is absolutely indestructible.

    Our consciousness does not skip a beat, upon “death.”

    We're on an infinite journey, as “citizens of eternity.”

    Savor this limitless, and unending adventure!

    source: https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

  141. @crimson2
    Right. The Republican party has been recruiting racist whites for years. Now it's all they've got. That's why their power is shrinking.

    See comment 68 and the Maxine Waters quotation therein. Which party is using racial hatred and racial solidarity to win power? No fairminded observer could say only the republicans.

  142. @the grand wazoo
    For the past 18 months it has been my opinion; Trump needs to talk to and appeal directly to the American people to hit the streets.q In his speech he must honestly expose the forces behind the scenes which continually cause him to retract statements already made. his meeting with Putin, and birthing rights are just 2 examples. If his life has been threatened he must tell us. If heknows where the bodies are buried he has to tell us. He's a dynamic personality who could bring the nation together by being open and honest. We are tired of secrets, and we're tired of being ignored. By not asking the public for help he slowly digs his own grave. We can save him and our self, if he trusts us.

    If we hit the streets, we will be physically attacked, including our wives and any children present. Will the local police have our backs? In places where local police will stand by while we are savaged and beaten, will governors have the state police and national guard protect us as they should? Will Trump have troops protect us, as he could?

  143. @anonymous

    In Europe a similar development: Islamisation.
     
    Argh, the sky is falling! Help!!

    It is truly amazing how Eurapeans love and embrace Godlessness... be it, polytheism or gnosticism or atheism or the most supreme of them all, Whiteism.

    Anyway, all you greedy and godless degenerates need to do is get your evil tentacles off "3rd world" lands, pay reparations for the financial rape and plunder over the decades, and then ruthlessly expel the unwanted.

    If that is not acceptable, then white self-"genocide" is the answer. Since you spiritual losers are doing pretty well with that... just carry on.

    How I wish we could be selfless, nongreedy people like people in the third world. Please. People are people, and self-interested to in some degree greedy almost anywhere and anytime.

  144. @RadicalCenter
    Doesn’t matter much when there won’t be many white and even half-white PRO-WHITE people around soon.

    An engineered “white genocide” may be in the works, but the joke’s on these ignorant architects.

    Death is an illusion. As it’s impossible to destroy the creator’s engineered souls.

    Each divine soul is absolutely indestructible.

    Our consciousness does not skip a beat, upon “death.”

    We’re on an infinite journey, as “citizens of eternity.”

    Savor this limitless, and unending adventure!

    source: https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

    • Replies: @Bliss

    Death is an illusion. As it’s impossible to destroy the creator’s engineered souls.
     
    If death is an illusion then so is birth. If souls are eternal then it makes no sense to say they were created/engineered.

    God alone exists. Everything else is an illusion. God’s Dream.
  145. @Charles Pewitt

    In an odd twist it is Yankeedom that now supports slave labor in the form of cheap immigrant labor.

     

    I'll admit my ancestors who had slaves in the South were money-grubbing bastards who didn't much think about how the African slavery system might turn out.

    You'll almost never get an East Anglian Yankee American to admit that cheap labor from mass immigration is just about the same damn thing as Black African slavery in the South.

    The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.
    , @Corvinus
    "The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently."

    So is not your statement an indictment on white Europeans, your pride and joy? So much for their alleged high IQ...
    , @Christo
    We would be in the same boat. Though slave were imported , it was outlawed in 1807 and only about 50K came in after that. You have to realize a large percentage of blacks came over as indentured servants, which is now pushed off into slavery figures. Was is important is that 50% of the WHITE people in America when it became a country came over here as indentured servants as well. So to have done without indentured servants there would not have been enough of a population of white people in America to form. What i am saying is the importation of indentured servants was largely color blind , whites and black were imported that way. If you were to go back and be able to stop "slavery" before it happened , there would still be a large population of blacks here in America.

    No , what really created the "blight" was the enactment of the Civil Rights laws in 1965, and also the concurrent changes in immigration laws at the time, and the subsequent in-rush of immigrants from Central America , that took up a lot of the low income jobs at the same time as the as the civil right laws welfare subsidies caused an increase in single mother birth rate of African Americans who would have no jobs to find once they reach adulthood. Now this has occurred for multiple generations..
    , @Christo
    double post
  146. @RadicalCenter
    If you consider O’Rourke to be merely “a candidate who lost”, you’re selling him short AND underestimating the burgeoning non-white and often anti-white voter pool in Texas.

    He’s a candidate who lost by a fairly narrow margin in a State where republicans have won resounding victories statewide, in both federal and state elections, over and over during the past few decades. Take him and the dangerous political trend in Texas seriously.

    I’ll guess trump will win Texas in 2020, but the midterm US Senate result there was a harbinger of the end of the Republican party’s chances — indeed, the chances of any party that is not avowedly antiwhite — in a presidential election.

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district starting in 2024 or 2028. Otherwise, Texas’s massive trove of electoral votes will start all going to the Dems, creating a second California and making it nearly mathematically impossible for Democrats to lose the presidency (with a lock on all electoral votes from CA, TX, NY, IL, NJ, MA, and now perhaps FL with felons voting).

    ps if clueless republicans had passed such legislation when they had the chance, under a Republican Governor who wouldn’t veto it, we (Americans) probably would be somewhat better off than we are. Republicans should enact legislation allocating electoral votes by congressional district whenever they have the chance in any State that has mostly gone to Dems in recent presidential elections (or is tipping that way).

  147. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Interesting that what immediately jumps into my mind is that the blacker the state, the more republican the white population.
     
    Yes, that's exactly correct and has generally been true for the last 20-odd years of presidential elections as well.

    I actually analyzed the whole thing almost a decade ago in a long article, which showed the results of a series of national cross-correlations analyses:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#non-whites-and-blacks

    That's actually the most central empirical fact of American politics and why (in my own opinion) the Trump political strategy is so totally wrong-headed and disastrous...

    Listen to the comments of William F. Buckley, Jr. (starting at 39:00) about the black issue. This was a debate with black intellectual James Baldwin at Cambridge University Union in 1965. Having not been alive at this time I was surprised how far back the ass-kissing of blacks by the white intelligentsia went. Apparently it’s nothing new. Even the lily-white English crowd was so effusive toward Baldwin (watch the reception he gets after he is remarks ending at around 37:00) and unfriendly toward Buckley. What the hell is it with whites??

  148. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    You are sincere person and do like you, But I am slightly ahead of you and My comments are difficult to understand. You have no clue what is Trump against

    ” You have no clue”

    Nope you have no clue, as there is nothing in this universe which you are aware of, and I am not aware of.

    AJM

    • Replies: @anon

    Nope you have no clue, as there is nothing in this universe which you are aware of, and I am not aware of.
     
    wow, you must be God
  149. @follyofwar
    If they are going to flee, would they not be better off fleeing to Poland, Hungary, and Russia? From everything I've read, Australia is gojng the way of the USA - straight down the drain.

    Yes Australia is getting diversified at a frightening rate.

  150. @RadicalCenter
    The people in Florida who previously couldn’t vote, “criminalized” themselves by, well, committing felony crimes. What kind of masochist are you?

    I have no idea what the election in Florida has to do with my general comment about how the nation engaged in socializing blacks.

    The issue was not the felonies. The issue in Florida was whether the state Sec(?) and the elections engaged in categorizing non felons as felons so as to disenfranchise them from voting. That was the issue regarding felons. It was a complaint that felons could not vote.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/how-the-2000-election-in-florida-led-to-a-new-wave-of-voter-disenfranchisement/

    Get a grip my opposition concerning policies of democrats is not dependent on color. But taking of stock of reality – the truth of black white dynamics is not being a glutton for punishment. It’s being honest enough so as to have ground to rebut their polity.

    But how and why you are pivoting to Florida is a beyond me. And that you seem to have mischaracterized the issue is merely colorizing is problematic. Apparently we have learned nothing from Sec Katherine Harris’s misguided leadership and something less than honorable about the then Gov. of the state. That’s disappointing.

    Polity over skin color is my preferred lean as hard as that may be.

  151. @Johnny Smoggins
    "That said the debt dynamics of the US government means normal service is ending and you will live in interesting times anyway."

    Is it? A beloved fantasy of the alt right is that any day now debt will crush western governments and usher in a chance for a reset. I'm sure eventually that's going to happen but not in the lifetime of anyone currently living. There's too much at stake to allow for that to happen and governments can just keep printing more money and piling on the debt indefinitely (for now).

    It's going to be hell for our great, great grandchildren though.

    It may not happen any day now, but I fathom something will have to be done, as negative rates and Boomer savings cannot be used forever. Probably new currencies will take over, or mass devaluations occur. Doesn’t have to be a mass cataclysm, just a few big recessions in a row caused by local crises (like the last one) could severely impair the global economy gradually, then suddenly.

    Furthermore, the future near-universal lack of employment (which is more certain than the debt collapse even) means that those who monopolize means of production and services (aka robots) will be the haves, and those who do not, the have nots. Coupled with mass underskilled third world migration, it will be interesting times, even more so if debt flows on and on.

  152. @Reg Cæsar
    Oddly, this graph disagrees with the other very strongly about Hawaii:



    http://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/gun_deaths1.png

    Of course, by state is an intentionally deceptive way of presenting the data.

    In gun prohibiting Chicago, legal ownership is low and gun deaths are high.

    In downstate Illinois, away from Chicago, responsible and legal ownership is high and deaths are low.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    The problem with the graph is that it's gun deaths not gun homicides. Suicides skew the numbers. Red states are, generally, armed to the teeth with very low crime rates.

    When we talk about gun control and violence, our primary concern is other people potentially killing us, not depressed people killing themselves. The strongest correlation with gun homicides is, of course, % of Blacks not % of guns owned.

    (two toddlers + job + working wife = no comment on Unz as much as I'd like)
  153. @RadicalCenter
    If you consider O’Rourke to be merely “a candidate who lost”, you’re selling him short AND underestimating the burgeoning non-white and often anti-white voter pool in Texas.

    He’s a candidate who lost by a fairly narrow margin in a State where republicans have won resounding victories statewide, in both federal and state elections, over and over during the past few decades. Take him and the dangerous political trend in Texas seriously.

    I’ll guess trump will win Texas in 2020, but the midterm US Senate result there was a harbinger of the end of the Republican party’s chances — indeed, the chances of any party that is not avowedly antiwhite — in a presidential election.

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district starting in 2024 or 2028. Otherwise, Texas’s massive trove of electoral votes will start all going to the Dems, creating a second California and making it nearly mathematically impossible for Democrats to lose the presidency (with a lock on all electoral votes from CA, TX, NY, IL, NJ, MA, and now perhaps FL with felons voting).

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district

    If such a law were in place now Democrats would win 13 of the 38 electoral votes in Texas in 2020 instead of the 0 they won in 2016. And they would win 14 of the 29 electoral votes in Florida instead of the zero in 2016.

    If such a law was now in place in every state and the proportion of Democrats remained the same as in the incoming House, then the Democrats would win 290 of the electoral votes, 20 more than the 270 required for victory.

    As for the large number of felons getting the right to vote in Florida it will help the Republicans not the Democrats. For convicted white felons comfortably outnumber black felons in Florida, and whites are more likely to vote than blacks.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Interesting. But plesae notice that I didn’t say that TX or FL should have used that system of EV allocation in the past, or for 2020. So numbers about past presidential elections doesn’t undermine my suggestion.

    The expressly antiwhite party has used every means, fair or foul, especially massive immigration of Third World people to displace us. We are not required to go along with it, or to have vote allocation systems that benefit them and accelerate our dispossession.
    , @Roberto D'Aubuisson
    These are excellent points. Another point to make about O'Rourke's result in Texas is that it was not based on non-Whites. Rather, he was the Great White Hope of urban and inner suburban Whites. By contrast, had O'Rourke had the "normal" Democrat margin of victory and turnout among Hispanics of the Rio Grande Valley, he likely would have won. It looks like the urban/rural split is also an important factor that transcends the usual race/ethnicity split.
  154. @wayfarer
    An engineered “white genocide” may be in the works, but the joke's on these ignorant architects.

    Death is an illusion. As it's impossible to destroy the creator's engineered souls.

    Each divine soul is absolutely indestructible.

    Our consciousness does not skip a beat, upon “death.”

    We're on an infinite journey, as “citizens of eternity.”

    Savor this limitless, and unending adventure!

    source: https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

    Death is an illusion. As it’s impossible to destroy the creator’s engineered souls.

    If death is an illusion then so is birth. If souls are eternal then it makes no sense to say they were created/engineered.

    God alone exists. Everything else is an illusion. God’s Dream.

    • Replies: @wayfarer

    The diameter of humanity's observable universe is estimated to be about 93 billion light-years.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe
     

    As the evolution of mind, body, and spirit are unique for each individual – so you will have your truth and I mine.
  155. @RadicalCenter
    The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently.

    If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton."

    And, as a result, our nation would not have been built up in the way it was constructed. Why on earth would northern merchants and southern plantation owners NOT want free stuff and gimmedats?
    , @mikefromwichita
    Doing just that seems to have not saved our Australian, Canadian or New Zealand cousins. They are worse off than we are. Nothing seems to redpill Whites like direct contact with blacks/browns unfiltered by MSM.
  156. @Bliss

    Death is an illusion. As it’s impossible to destroy the creator’s engineered souls.
     
    If death is an illusion then so is birth. If souls are eternal then it makes no sense to say they were created/engineered.

    God alone exists. Everything else is an illusion. God’s Dream.

    The diameter of humanity’s observable universe is estimated to be about 93 billion light-years.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

    As the evolution of mind, body, and spirit are unique for each individual – so you will have your truth and I mine.

  157. @Audacious Epigone
    If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.

    “If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.”

    And, as a result, our nation would not have been built up in the way it was constructed. Why on earth would northern merchants and southern plantation owners NOT want free stuff and gimmedats?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    “If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.”

    And, as a result, our nation would not have been built up in the way it was constructed.
     
    That's the point. No Civil War. Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay......

    Why on earth would northern merchants and southern plantation owners NOT want free stuff and gimmedats?
     
    See above. It's called long-term thinking....
  158. @RadicalCenter
    The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently.

    “The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently.”

    So is not your statement an indictment on white Europeans, your pride and joy? So much for their alleged high IQ…

  159. @Plato's Dream
    Wouldn't you be happier on the NYT forum?

    would be happier on WaPo, the commenters are worse assholes than the NYT. He’d fit right in.

  160. @Mr McKenna
    You're right, ultimately. Nonetheless I think Trump (in his somewhat disordered mind) had greater plans than that, but ran up against that Deep State, among other things (like federal judges). Really, it's quite utopian to imagine that a complete political novice could become president and not get crushed. Everyone else who ever ascended the throne had considerable political apparatus behind him, upon which he could call for appointments among other things. It's easy to bash Trump, he's a larger-than-life target. But remember the alternative was Hillary.

    But remember the alternative was Hillary.

    That’s the point of the Deep State….there is no alternative.

  161. @jilles dykstra
    In my opinion the explanation is quite simple: one cannot change a country overnight.
    Boltons I see as no more a a concession in a power play.
    And possibly 'keep your enemies close', so that you know what they're doing.
    Plus, by keeping Boltons more or less informed your enemies may think they know what's going on.
    Bolton is, according to UN staff when he worked at the UN, so stupid that the staff often had to make a great effort not to burst into laughing, when they had to do with him.

    In my opinion the explanation is quite simple: one cannot change a country overnight.
    Boltons I see as no more a a concession in a power play.

    More 4D chess bullshit.

    And possibly ‘keep your enemies close’, so that you know what they’re doing.
    Plus, by keeping Boltons more or less informed your enemies may think they know what’s going on.

    Your making excuses for Trumps obvious Deep State picks.

  162. @Bliss

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district
     
    If such a law were in place now Democrats would win 13 of the 38 electoral votes in Texas in 2020 instead of the 0 they won in 2016. And they would win 14 of the 29 electoral votes in Florida instead of the zero in 2016.

    If such a law was now in place in every state and the proportion of Democrats remained the same as in the incoming House, then the Democrats would win 290 of the electoral votes, 20 more than the 270 required for victory.

    As for the large number of felons getting the right to vote in Florida it will help the Republicans not the Democrats. For convicted white felons comfortably outnumber black felons in Florida, and whites are more likely to vote than blacks.

    Interesting. But plesae notice that I didn’t say that TX or FL should have used that system of EV allocation in the past, or for 2020. So numbers about past presidential elections doesn’t undermine my suggestion.

    The expressly antiwhite party has used every means, fair or foul, especially massive immigration of Third World people to displace us. We are not required to go along with it, or to have vote allocation systems that benefit them and accelerate our dispossession.

    • Replies: @Bliss

    The expressly antiwhite party has used every means, fair or foul, especially massive immigration of Third World people to displace us.
     
    That sounds weird coming from someone who is raising a non-white family.

    The way things are going your wife and children wouldn’t be safe in white nationalist parts of the country. Perhaps you realize that subconsciously and that’s why you live in California not Appalachia?
  163. I assume Jews are counted as White and wonder how the Map would change if they were not.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    It'd bump New York and New Jersey up, the latter maybe over the 50% mark, but in other states it wouldn't make much difference.

    This gives me an interesting idea for a post, thanks.
  164. @Audacious Epigone
    If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.

    Doing just that seems to have not saved our Australian, Canadian or New Zealand cousins. They are worse off than we are. Nothing seems to redpill Whites like direct contact with blacks/browns unfiltered by MSM.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Canada is a disaster. Dont come here.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Interesting. I think it's debatable. Australia, in particular, may be better off. In terms of crime, for example, the US is worse than the other anglo diaspora countries, and that's directly attributable to our having not picked our own cotton.
  165. @mikefromwichita
    Doing just that seems to have not saved our Australian, Canadian or New Zealand cousins. They are worse off than we are. Nothing seems to redpill Whites like direct contact with blacks/browns unfiltered by MSM.

    Canada is a disaster. Dont come here.

  166. @RadicalCenter
    Interesting. But plesae notice that I didn’t say that TX or FL should have used that system of EV allocation in the past, or for 2020. So numbers about past presidential elections doesn’t undermine my suggestion.

    The expressly antiwhite party has used every means, fair or foul, especially massive immigration of Third World people to displace us. We are not required to go along with it, or to have vote allocation systems that benefit them and accelerate our dispossession.

    The expressly antiwhite party has used every means, fair or foul, especially massive immigration of Third World people to displace us.

    That sounds weird coming from someone who is raising a non-white family.

    The way things are going your wife and children wouldn’t be safe in white nationalist parts of the country. Perhaps you realize that subconsciously and that’s why you live in California not Appalachia?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    OK tough guy.

    The number of people coming here by marriage is a tiny fraction of legal immigration.

    The number of people coming here by marriage is also dwarfed by ILlegal immigration.

    We are not getting drastic unwelcome changes in our common language, traditional culture, safety, educational quality, and average intelligence or work ethic, increased congestion and pollution, overcrowding of medical facilities and prisons, declines in social and personal trust, etc., from the comparatively small number of people who come here as fiancées or spouses of US citizens. We are suffering all that because of the flood of illegal and especially legal immigrants.

    I do think, though, that people should need at least 10 or even 20 years of permanent residency here to apply for citizenship, rather than the 3 or 5 years that is required now. Much more time should be taken to acculturate, scrutinize, and assimilate the person before giving them citizenship.

    Also don’t think it’s wise to let anyone settle here who is known to be Muslim or comes from a Muslim country, nor from Africa and the Middle East. My wife’s not, and she’s likely brighter than you.

    End birthright Citizenship, family reunification / chain migration, and the diversity visa lottery, and prosecute some businesses in every State severely for using illegal aliens. Those measures, especially in tandem, will give us a chance to survive and reclaim most of our country — not trying to restrict the liberty of nativeborn citizens to pick our own spouses who come from abroad in a small minority of cases. And you may surmise that we tend to screen the people we are marrying and raising a family with, a hell of a lot closer than the fed gov scrutinizes even legal immigrants generally.

    My wife, incidentally, didn’t need me to stay here or get citizenship. She came to the USA before meeting me and already had the opportunity to apply for permanent residency while on work visa, then citizenship five years later,

    Thank you, as ever, for your input.

  167. @mikefromwichita
    Doing just that seems to have not saved our Australian, Canadian or New Zealand cousins. They are worse off than we are. Nothing seems to redpill Whites like direct contact with blacks/browns unfiltered by MSM.

    Interesting. I think it’s debatable. Australia, in particular, may be better off. In terms of crime, for example, the US is worse than the other anglo diaspora countries, and that’s directly attributable to our having not picked our own cotton.

  168. @mikefromwichita
    I assume Jews are counted as White and wonder how the Map would change if they were not.

    It’d bump New York and New Jersey up, the latter maybe over the 50% mark, but in other states it wouldn’t make much difference.

    This gives me an interesting idea for a post, thanks.

  169. Mississippi is the most negro-fuxxated state in the union. No surprises there.

  170. Trump’s problem is his personality rather than his policies.

    Young whites are also very liberal. This is a bad omen.

    We are losing America to minorities and, frankly, to a certain Hebrew people.

    I expect that of Democrat officials, but a lot of Republican officials are cowards.

  171. @A123
    Of course, by state is an intentionally deceptive way of presenting the data.

    In gun prohibiting Chicago, legal ownership is low and gun deaths are high.

    In downstate Illinois, away from Chicago, responsible and legal ownership is high and deaths are low.

    The problem with the graph is that it’s gun deaths not gun homicides. Suicides skew the numbers. Red states are, generally, armed to the teeth with very low crime rates.

    When we talk about gun control and violence, our primary concern is other people potentially killing us, not depressed people killing themselves. The strongest correlation with gun homicides is, of course, % of Blacks not % of guns owned.

    (two toddlers + job + working wife = no comment on Unz as much as I’d like)

    • Replies: @anon

    The problem with the graph is that it’s gun deaths not gun homicides. Suicides skew the numbers.
     
    good catch
  172. @jilles dykstra
    Yes.
    See for example
    Henry Morgenthau, 'I was sent to Athens', New York 1929
    Mark Mazower, 'Thessaloniki - stad van geesten, Christenen, moslims en joden 1430 - 1950', 2007, geen plaats van uitgave, (2004, Salonica - City of Ghosts).
    Why ?

    In order to understand how this tragedy could happen one must know the allied Versailles and Sèvres plans for nearly completely wiping the Ottoman empire off the map.
    Atatürk resisted, he created present Turkey, in a bloody war.
    The plan was to give E Anatolia to Armenia, up to the present Syrian border, give SW present Turkey to Greece, also the European part of present Turkey, so W of the Bosporus.
    What was to remain as Turkey was a very small area around Ankara.
    At the time the deal was seen as a great victory for peace.

    Halil Gülbeyaz, ´Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, Vom Staatsgründer zum Mythos’, Berlin 2004
    BTW, present Turkey is just a small part of the Ottoman empire.

    It is asserted that this deal inspired zionists, that they could accomplish something similar in or after 1948.

    Baloney.

    Turkey was left a huge amount of territory according to the Treaty of Sevres: Almost all of Central and Western Asia Minor.

    Turkey wiped out 95% of its indigenous Christians.

  173. @Corvinus
    "If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton."

    And, as a result, our nation would not have been built up in the way it was constructed. Why on earth would northern merchants and southern plantation owners NOT want free stuff and gimmedats?

    “If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.”

    And, as a result, our nation would not have been built up in the way it was constructed.

    That’s the point. No Civil War. Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay……

    Why on earth would northern merchants and southern plantation owners NOT want free stuff and gimmedats?

    See above. It’s called long-term thinking….

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "That’s the point. No Civil War."

    Yes.

    "Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay……"

    You don't know that for sure.

    Regardless, the fact remains that slavery profits enabled significant commercial and industrial investment to power our new nation forward.
    , @Bliss
    So syon, which race do you blame for rural and small town decay?

    https://teamster.org/sites/default/files/5.12.14ruralphoto.jpg

    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/161113_POL_Trump-Country.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

    https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2017/12/12/10/alabama-poverty1-0.jpg?w968

    https://www.houstonherald.com/news/rural-america-is-the-new-inner-city/article_9654a9be-5686-11e7-9b04-2fba14470ce7.html

    a Wall Street Journal analysis shows that by many key measures of socioeconomic well-being, those charts have flipped. In terms of poverty, college attainment, teenage births, divorce, death rates from heart disease and cancer, reliance on federal disability insurance and male labor-force participation, rural counties now rank the worst among the four major U.S. population groupings (the others are big cities, suburbs and medium or small metro areas).......“The gap is opening up and will continue to open up,” said Enrico Moretti, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied the new urban-rural divide.

    As jobs in manufacturing and agriculture continue to vanish, America’s heartland faces a larger, more existential crisis. Some economists now believe that a modern nation is richer when economic activity is concentrated in cities.

    The opioid epidemic – and a lack of access to treatment – have compounded the damage. In Hardin County, prosecutor Brad Bailey said drug cases, which accounted for less than 20 percent of his criminal cases a decade ago, have surged to 80 percent....The epidemic is spawning more thefts, including a rash of snatched air-conditioners sold for scrap metal, said Dennis Musser, police chief in Kenton. Linda Martell, a 69-year-old who moved to Kenton from outside Cleveland a decade ago to be near her daughter, was surprised a chain saw and heavy tools were stolen from her garage.

    Father Dave Young, the 38-year-old Catholic priest at Immaculate Conception, was shocked when a thief stole ornamental candlesticks and a ciborium, spilling communion wafers along the way....Before coming to this county a decade ago, Father Young had grown up in nearby Columbus – where for many years he didn’t feel safe walking the streets.....as Kenton — population 8,200 — continues to unravel, he said he has begun always locking the church door. Again, he finds himself looking over his shoulder. “I just did not expect it here,” he said.

    Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez......recalls being surprised when he learned in the mid-2000s that rural areas, not cities, were the center of an emerging methamphetamine epidemic.


    The lesson you racial megalomaniacs need to learn is not to gloat over the misfortune of others. Genes don’t explain everything.
  174. @Anonymous Jew
    The problem with the graph is that it's gun deaths not gun homicides. Suicides skew the numbers. Red states are, generally, armed to the teeth with very low crime rates.

    When we talk about gun control and violence, our primary concern is other people potentially killing us, not depressed people killing themselves. The strongest correlation with gun homicides is, of course, % of Blacks not % of guns owned.

    (two toddlers + job + working wife = no comment on Unz as much as I'd like)

    The problem with the graph is that it’s gun deaths not gun homicides. Suicides skew the numbers.

    good catch

  175. @Authenticjazzman
    " You have no clue"

    Nope you have no clue, as there is nothing in this universe which you are aware of, and I am not aware of.

    AJM

    Nope you have no clue, as there is nothing in this universe which you are aware of, and I am not aware of.

    wow, you must be God

  176. @Charles Pewitt

    It is possible for The Donald to pick off those two states, but I am surprised nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room: Florida, which has over twice as many electoral votes as Minnesota and New Hampshire put together.

     

    Some wags have suggested that the GOP effort to get rid of the state and local tax deductions was an attempt to get the snowbirds in the North to sell their homes and move to Florida to replenish the supply of Trump voters in Florida.

    Won't the snowbirds who move to Florida for the cheaper taxes blame the GOP for their losing their federal tax deductions for state and local taxes?

    The GOP might have got popped in California and the Northeast in the mid-terms because of the tax changes related to the removal of deductions for state and local taxes.

    I thought instead that the capping of deductions was a long game play to force upper middle class northeasterners to vote Republican for lower taxes.

  177. @Audacious Epigone
    The economy has been running on energy drinks for a decade now. Easing the caffeine intake isn't going to keep the thing from crashing.

    No, this is a huge misunderstanding.

    The economy was fine before 2008. There was no asset bubble; no irrational exuberance; no fraud.

    The Fed simply decided that the rising markets and housing prices was a problem, so they set the federal funds rate to destroy the economy. The tipping point then was 3.5%. The crash was at 5.25%.

    Remember, the prime rate and the federal funds rate moves together. There is about a 3%-point difference, so if the FFR is at 1%, the prime eventually moves to 4% or more.

    What do you think happens to an adjustable-rate mortgage when the prime rate is at 8.25%?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    People go under water on their mortgages and either stop paying at all and wait for eviction or they walk away.

    I'm skeptical that the FFR is going to be moved up much as the "overheating" signals continue to come in. But we're still going to crash.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    The economy was not fine. The 2008 mess was the direct result of a long series of very risky practices. Which have been discussed in multiple articles in no small detail.


    https://www.thebalance.com/what-caused-2008-global-financial-crisis-3306176

    Even Forbes magazine admits as much

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2011/01/31/what-caused-the-financial-crisis/#55adf8e24d3d
  178. I do recall reading Arthur Schlessinger’s biography on Roosevelt.

    Roosevelt staffed his admins with people out of the midwest instead of relying on the Eastern power structure.

  179. @George
    The Blue states on the map are actually what might have been called in the 1860s called Yankeedom. Beyond the true Yankee states of New England are Lincoln's Illinois and Fremont's California. Sort of strange how that worked out.

    In an odd twist it is Yankeedom that now supports slave labor in the form of cheap immigrant labor.

    Illinois has a large culturally Southern area where Trump is popular. It’s heavily outvoted by Chicago and its suburbs.

  180. @bt
    These maps always look exactly like the "Slave State / Free State" division that existed right before the Civil War.

    -->That war that we fought over slavery.

    More like Bryan vs. McKinley in 1896 after all but OK, NM, and AZ had been added in the West after the Civil War

  181. What the alt right and other dissidents (and this includes civnat dreamers like the Proudboys) need to be preparing for over the next 2 years is a post Trump US, with definitely a Democrat-controlled HoR and WH, and possibly a Democratic Senate (though perhaps Reps will retain control of the Senate because of its nonproportional representation). This means being smarter about what we say and where and when we say it. If something seems to be just at the limit of Brandenburg Standard protection, don’t say it. The courts are just itching for the opportunity to give us all the Fields treatment. If you have to say it, for the love of God don’t do it online where the eye of Sauron will find you. If you can, try to take direction from the example of the FN and AfD, who both have had to work in a much more Draconian speech environment than American dissidents.

  182. @syonredux

    “If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.”

    And, as a result, our nation would not have been built up in the way it was constructed.
     
    That's the point. No Civil War. Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay......

    Why on earth would northern merchants and southern plantation owners NOT want free stuff and gimmedats?
     
    See above. It's called long-term thinking....

    “That’s the point. No Civil War.”

    Yes.

    “Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay……”

    You don’t know that for sure.

    Regardless, the fact remains that slavery profits enabled significant commercial and industrial investment to power our new nation forward.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    That’s the point. No Civil War.”

    Yes.

    “Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay……”

    You don’t know that for sure.
     

    Pretty sure. Just look up the stats for violent crime (especially homicide) in the USA, UK, Canada, etc. . As for urban decay, just look at majority Black areas.....

    Regardless, the fact remains that slavery profits enabled significant commercial and industrial investment to power our new nation forward.
     
    We would have done OK without it:


    https://necpluribusimpar.net/slavery-and-capitalism/

  183. @map
    No, this is a huge misunderstanding.

    The economy was fine before 2008. There was no asset bubble; no irrational exuberance; no fraud.

    The Fed simply decided that the rising markets and housing prices was a problem, so they set the federal funds rate to destroy the economy. The tipping point then was 3.5%. The crash was at 5.25%.

    Remember, the prime rate and the federal funds rate moves together. There is about a 3%-point difference, so if the FFR is at 1%, the prime eventually moves to 4% or more.

    What do you think happens to an adjustable-rate mortgage when the prime rate is at 8.25%?

    People go under water on their mortgages and either stop paying at all and wait for eviction or they walk away.

    I’m skeptical that the FFR is going to be moved up much as the “overheating” signals continue to come in. But we’re still going to crash.

    • Replies: @map
    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    Check out the link. This is a comparison between the Dow and the Federal Funds Rate over twenty years.

    The 08 crash corresponds to the federal funds rate of around 5%.
  184. @map
    No, this is a huge misunderstanding.

    The economy was fine before 2008. There was no asset bubble; no irrational exuberance; no fraud.

    The Fed simply decided that the rising markets and housing prices was a problem, so they set the federal funds rate to destroy the economy. The tipping point then was 3.5%. The crash was at 5.25%.

    Remember, the prime rate and the federal funds rate moves together. There is about a 3%-point difference, so if the FFR is at 1%, the prime eventually moves to 4% or more.

    What do you think happens to an adjustable-rate mortgage when the prime rate is at 8.25%?

    The economy was not fine. The 2008 mess was the direct result of a long series of very risky practices. Which have been discussed in multiple articles in no small detail.

    https://www.thebalance.com/what-caused-2008-global-financial-crisis-3306176

    Even Forbes magazine admits as much

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2011/01/31/what-caused-the-financial-crisis/#55adf8e24d3d

    • Replies: @map
    1) In the late 1990's, Congress increased the tax exemption on residential housing. Before, you could exempt $25,000 from taxes. After, you could exempt $250,000. This made American residential housing the best investment in the world. This was the beginning of the housing boom.

    2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt.

    3) Congress established the mark-to-market rule, where banks were allowed to re-balance their assets upward if neighboring properties were sold for higher values.

    None of the factors signaled anything wrong with the market.

    The Fed was the entire cause of the collapse of the housing market, just like the Fed caused the crash in the Nasdaq in 2001 or so.

    Why? Greenspan thought that the Nasdaq was a victim of irrational exuberance, so he crashed the market to save the market in 2001. in 2008, Bernanke and Greenspan did the same thing because they thought the market was irrationally exuberant.

    This is the idiocy causing our boom-and-bust cycles. Powell is doing the same thing with his "neutral rate" idiocy. The Federal Open Mouth Commission is what is causing the crash.

    Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter's presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate.

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1
  185. @Corvinus
    "That’s the point. No Civil War."

    Yes.

    "Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay……"

    You don't know that for sure.

    Regardless, the fact remains that slavery profits enabled significant commercial and industrial investment to power our new nation forward.

    That’s the point. No Civil War.”

    Yes.

    “Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay……”

    You don’t know that for sure.

    Pretty sure. Just look up the stats for violent crime (especially homicide) in the USA, UK, Canada, etc. . As for urban decay, just look at majority Black areas…..

    Regardless, the fact remains that slavery profits enabled significant commercial and industrial investment to power our new nation forward.

    We would have done OK without it:

    https://necpluribusimpar.net/slavery-and-capitalism/

  186. @syonredux

    “If I had a single message to transmit back in time to the colonists, it would be to implore them to pick their own damned cotton.”

    And, as a result, our nation would not have been built up in the way it was constructed.
     
    That's the point. No Civil War. Vastly lower crime rate. Much less urban decay......

    Why on earth would northern merchants and southern plantation owners NOT want free stuff and gimmedats?
     
    See above. It's called long-term thinking....

    So syon, which race do you blame for rural and small town decay?

    https://www.houstonherald.com/news/rural-america-is-the-new-inner-city/article_9654a9be-5686-11e7-9b04-2fba14470ce7.html

    a Wall Street Journal analysis shows that by many key measures of socioeconomic well-being, those charts have flipped. In terms of poverty, college attainment, teenage births, divorce, death rates from heart disease and cancer, reliance on federal disability insurance and male labor-force participation, rural counties now rank the worst among the four major U.S. population groupings (the others are big cities, suburbs and medium or small metro areas)…….“The gap is opening up and will continue to open up,” said Enrico Moretti, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied the new urban-rural divide.

    As jobs in manufacturing and agriculture continue to vanish, America’s heartland faces a larger, more existential crisis. Some economists now believe that a modern nation is richer when economic activity is concentrated in cities.

    The opioid epidemic – and a lack of access to treatment – have compounded the damage. In Hardin County, prosecutor Brad Bailey said drug cases, which accounted for less than 20 percent of his criminal cases a decade ago, have surged to 80 percent….The epidemic is spawning more thefts, including a rash of snatched air-conditioners sold for scrap metal, said Dennis Musser, police chief in Kenton. Linda Martell, a 69-year-old who moved to Kenton from outside Cleveland a decade ago to be near her daughter, was surprised a chain saw and heavy tools were stolen from her garage.

    Father Dave Young, the 38-year-old Catholic priest at Immaculate Conception, was shocked when a thief stole ornamental candlesticks and a ciborium, spilling communion wafers along the way.…Before coming to this county a decade ago, Father Young had grown up in nearby Columbus – where for many years he didn’t feel safe walking the streets…..as Kenton — population 8,200 — continues to unravel, he said he has begun always locking the church door. Again, he finds himself looking over his shoulder. “I just did not expect it here,” he said.

    Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez……recalls being surprised when he learned in the mid-2000s that rural areas, not cities, were the center of an emerging methamphetamine epidemic.

    The lesson you racial megalomaniacs need to learn is not to gloat over the misfortune of others. Genes don’t explain everything.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    So syon, which race do you blame for rural and small town decay?
     
    Always a good deal of ruin in a nation. The test of sound statesmanship involves not importing additional ruin.

    The lesson you racial megalomaniacs need to learn is not to gloat over the misfortune of others.
     
    Since Blacks cause a lot of misfortune in the USA, I don't have anything to gloat about...

    Genes don’t explain everything.
     
    Everything? Of course not. But they do explain a lot....

    Meanwhile, after the end of european colonialism all of Africa is becoming more and more urbanized which bodes well for the future.

     

    Good for them. Perhaps Blacks will start leaving the USA and go back to Africa.....That would be a win-win...
    , @Christo
    Those white places may be poor and have high drug usage , but you can safely walk down the street at night. Compare the violent crime rates in West Virginia and some place like Baltimore , hell go compare the property crime rates.

    Poverty does not cause crime where there is a victim , something else does. Compare West Virginia with any other poor place in America, and remember West Virginia is poorer than all of them, there is one telling difference

    I see the same thing where I live, which happens to be the second poorest state in America(Mississippi) , only of course our racial demographics are far different from West Virginia.
  187. Meanwhile, after the end of european colonialism all of Africa is becoming more and more urbanized which bodes well for the future. A few examples:

    Nairobi, Kenya:

    Lagos, Nigeria:

    Kinshasa, Zaire:

    Abidjan, Ivory Coast:

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    Looks as if Chinese engineers and builders have been busy. What have they gotten in exchange for building Mexico City in Ethiopia and Ivory Coast? How much coffee do they need?
  188. A drive through Addis Ababa, Ethiopia pop. 3 million:

    • Replies: @JLK

    Meanwhile, after the end of european colonialism all of Africa is becoming more and more urbanized which bodes well for the future. A few examples:
     
    https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/if-your-thinking-of-retiring-to-ethiopia.154159/
  189. @Bliss
    A drive through Addis Ababa, Ethiopia pop. 3 million:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2GP2i1LHj-Y

    Meanwhile, after the end of european colonialism all of Africa is becoming more and more urbanized which bodes well for the future. A few examples:

    https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/if-your-thinking-of-retiring-to-ethiopia.154159/

  190. @Bliss
    So syon, which race do you blame for rural and small town decay?

    https://teamster.org/sites/default/files/5.12.14ruralphoto.jpg

    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/161113_POL_Trump-Country.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

    https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2017/12/12/10/alabama-poverty1-0.jpg?w968

    https://www.houstonherald.com/news/rural-america-is-the-new-inner-city/article_9654a9be-5686-11e7-9b04-2fba14470ce7.html

    a Wall Street Journal analysis shows that by many key measures of socioeconomic well-being, those charts have flipped. In terms of poverty, college attainment, teenage births, divorce, death rates from heart disease and cancer, reliance on federal disability insurance and male labor-force participation, rural counties now rank the worst among the four major U.S. population groupings (the others are big cities, suburbs and medium or small metro areas).......“The gap is opening up and will continue to open up,” said Enrico Moretti, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied the new urban-rural divide.

    As jobs in manufacturing and agriculture continue to vanish, America’s heartland faces a larger, more existential crisis. Some economists now believe that a modern nation is richer when economic activity is concentrated in cities.

    The opioid epidemic – and a lack of access to treatment – have compounded the damage. In Hardin County, prosecutor Brad Bailey said drug cases, which accounted for less than 20 percent of his criminal cases a decade ago, have surged to 80 percent....The epidemic is spawning more thefts, including a rash of snatched air-conditioners sold for scrap metal, said Dennis Musser, police chief in Kenton. Linda Martell, a 69-year-old who moved to Kenton from outside Cleveland a decade ago to be near her daughter, was surprised a chain saw and heavy tools were stolen from her garage.

    Father Dave Young, the 38-year-old Catholic priest at Immaculate Conception, was shocked when a thief stole ornamental candlesticks and a ciborium, spilling communion wafers along the way....Before coming to this county a decade ago, Father Young had grown up in nearby Columbus – where for many years he didn’t feel safe walking the streets.....as Kenton — population 8,200 — continues to unravel, he said he has begun always locking the church door. Again, he finds himself looking over his shoulder. “I just did not expect it here,” he said.

    Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez......recalls being surprised when he learned in the mid-2000s that rural areas, not cities, were the center of an emerging methamphetamine epidemic.


    The lesson you racial megalomaniacs need to learn is not to gloat over the misfortune of others. Genes don’t explain everything.

    So syon, which race do you blame for rural and small town decay?

    Always a good deal of ruin in a nation. The test of sound statesmanship involves not importing additional ruin.

    The lesson you racial megalomaniacs need to learn is not to gloat over the misfortune of others.

    Since Blacks cause a lot of misfortune in the USA, I don’t have anything to gloat about…

    Genes don’t explain everything.

    Everything? Of course not. But they do explain a lot….

    Meanwhile, after the end of european colonialism all of Africa is becoming more and more urbanized which bodes well for the future.

    Good for them. Perhaps Blacks will start leaving the USA and go back to Africa…..That would be a win-win…

    • Replies: @Bliss
    It is a travesty that racist haters like you are allowed to be teachers. How many hispanic, black, amerindian children have you tormented in your tenure as teacher in racially diverse Los Angeles?

    Why the hell do you even live there?
  191. @Audacious Epigone
    People go under water on their mortgages and either stop paying at all and wait for eviction or they walk away.

    I'm skeptical that the FFR is going to be moved up much as the "overheating" signals continue to come in. But we're still going to crash.

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    Check out the link. This is a comparison between the Dow and the Federal Funds Rate over twenty years.

    The 08 crash corresponds to the federal funds rate of around 5%.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The funds rate was drastically lowered as a response to the precursors of the crash. That isn't in the toolbox this time around.
  192. @EliteCommInc.
    The economy was not fine. The 2008 mess was the direct result of a long series of very risky practices. Which have been discussed in multiple articles in no small detail.


    https://www.thebalance.com/what-caused-2008-global-financial-crisis-3306176

    Even Forbes magazine admits as much

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2011/01/31/what-caused-the-financial-crisis/#55adf8e24d3d

    1) In the late 1990’s, Congress increased the tax exemption on residential housing. Before, you could exempt $25,000 from taxes. After, you could exempt $250,000. This made American residential housing the best investment in the world. This was the beginning of the housing boom.

    2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt.

    3) Congress established the mark-to-market rule, where banks were allowed to re-balance their assets upward if neighboring properties were sold for higher values.

    None of the factors signaled anything wrong with the market.

    The Fed was the entire cause of the collapse of the housing market, just like the Fed caused the crash in the Nasdaq in 2001 or so.

    Why? Greenspan thought that the Nasdaq was a victim of irrational exuberance, so he crashed the market to save the market in 2001. in 2008, Bernanke and Greenspan did the same thing because they thought the market was irrationally exuberant.

    This is the idiocy causing our boom-and-bust cycles. Powell is doing the same thing with his “neutral rate” idiocy. The Federal Open Mouth Commission is what is causing the crash.

    Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter’s presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate.

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    All this technical jargon really just means that the $2,000,000,000,000 dedicated to Federally-secured and mandated mortgages for Mexicans was a really bad idea.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    "2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt."


    The US is no longer on the gold standard. There are plenty of reason we should be. However, you are engaged national and international economic analysis your model is going to be deeply flawed.



    Basel I and Basel I and Basel II. Sure the loan more than one's balance by 10x as much(?) I am not sure your making your case. Here, the MBS's were a sure sign that something was wrong. It's just that few did their homework on the over valued properties bundled with properties accurately evaluated.


    There are issues with the Fed. but the fed does not regulate derivatives and have no idea how to do so. However, the "Best practices" of Wall Street trading were soley responsible for how they packaged products and even have entire departments to forecast the short and long term consequences.

    The FDIC. FTC, and rating agencies simply were out of their depth to the market analysis -- an analysis that should not not be measured by the gold standard -- yikes. The system =we are operating in now is more fluid and in my view volatile.

    The references I provided explicate the matter from several different angles. This is not merely a Fed caused issue.

    Furthermore the old school method of operating in which banks could work individually with borrowers or investors is long gone --- the global system and global economic policies trump the power of local banks, save for the few independent banks.

    ----------------------------------------------




    "Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter’s presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate."


    This simply does not account for careless stock valuations, and excess lending. The rate is the rate. Financial institutions are still responsible for sound practices to the rate and other market forces. Making the fed responsible for irresponsible and careless risk taking cannot be loaded on the backs of the feds.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I will get back to this . . .

    student distraction and prep all day.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Excuse the delay. I responded to these comments last night. the delay is not intentional , i was busy dealing with a prep for students. Sine I don't see my comments noted. I will respond again.


    a. there are plenty of good reasons to invest in real estate. It's a tangible, ,long term investment of a resource that can provide long range income returns. however, The packaging of MBS products as they were has absolutely nothing to do with the rates. it's not the fed that packages derivatives -- that's the financial trading industry and bond markets (formulas to explain how a particular bond can, should or would turn a profit.) The derivatives market - linear equations describing how a particular product will do designed by astrophysicist --

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bis-derivatives-idUSKBN1OF0QG

    The fed does not design market products of real estate. The fed was not responsible for any institution that engaged in selling over valued trunches (bundled properties valued "a" properties along with say "d" valued properties. The fact that I sell you a bushel of apples as grade "a" on top with some percentage of grade "c" grade apples underneath is not the fault of the fed. My charging you the "grade "a" price for the entire bushel is not only a veer from best practices, it's very likely fraud.


    Your argument has not a single connection to the rate charge against the product. Your inquisitive,


    b. concerning the health of the market is predicated on biting into the top of the barrel. And then claiming these apples are grade "a" and therefore the bushel is si grade "a". No the bushel is over valued because some percentage of apples are actually not grade "A" but grade "C". Your proclamation about the barrel based on your analysis of the top apples is false.

    The market assumptions about the value of the products reflected a false/incorrect valuation of properties because it either ignored or missed that actual value of the barrel which was overvalued by say 25%. The market over valuation of properties -- indicates the market itself was not "just fine" And when word gets out that that you are selling bushels in which 25% are only worth 1/3 the the price. The value of those bushels will drop and they will sale for less or not at all. But for twenty years you have sold bushels in just that way. That is twenty years of over valuation that the market will have to absorb. So despite twenty years of positive ratings which reflect healthy product, we now know that those products were not healthy and neither was the economy flow upon which said flow was based.

    A physician who ignores my high blood pressure because the standard doesn't require a thorough check to include high blood pressure and declares I am fine - when in fact, I am not. Your valuation of the market is ignoring the volumes of over valued products, sold for more than they worth and reflecting only the healthy products because the poor products are not counted --

    c. Never mind that the formula you are using to rate the products in this case gold is simply no longer the basis of the monetary policy we now operate under. I am going to be less generous than I was last night concerning the fed. The original purpose of the fed was merely to regulate or maintain "gold" as you suggest. The primary purpose of the fed has always been to:

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/pf.htm

    I just read a long 1996 paper on the Fed and gold was not even mentioned and for good reason.

    Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality G. Thomas Woodward Specialist in Macroeconomics Economics Division


    the fed: old School

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8u0EIY6q-U

    I am not proffering my advocacy for the fed. I am am just making clear of the Feds purpose - money creation and/or availability.
  193. @syonredux

    So syon, which race do you blame for rural and small town decay?
     
    Always a good deal of ruin in a nation. The test of sound statesmanship involves not importing additional ruin.

    The lesson you racial megalomaniacs need to learn is not to gloat over the misfortune of others.
     
    Since Blacks cause a lot of misfortune in the USA, I don't have anything to gloat about...

    Genes don’t explain everything.
     
    Everything? Of course not. But they do explain a lot....

    Meanwhile, after the end of european colonialism all of Africa is becoming more and more urbanized which bodes well for the future.

     

    Good for them. Perhaps Blacks will start leaving the USA and go back to Africa.....That would be a win-win...

    It is a travesty that racist haters like you are allowed to be teachers. How many hispanic, black, amerindian children have you tormented in your tenure as teacher in racially diverse Los Angeles?

    Why the hell do you even live there?

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    This teacher is the recipient of torture, stranded in a once-white metropolitan area now dominated by semi-retarded and violent minorities.
    , @anon
    shutup idiot
    , @syonredux

    It is a travesty that racist haters like you are allowed to be teachers. How many hispanic, black, amerindian children have you tormented in your tenure
     
    Dunno. Does requiring college-level work from Black and Latinx undergraduates count as torture these days?

    as teacher in racially diverse Los Angeles?
     
    The university where I teach is not in Southern California.

    Why the hell do you even live there?
     
    See above.
  194. @EliteCommInc.
    So as I understand it. Based on the article the republican party sole reliance if need be on whites is a challenge to winning national elections.


    Having alienated, maligned, "criminalized" some 41,000,000 potential voters. The answer is to hand ringing and stirring up whites by any means necessary to vote republican. That sounds a familiar call to my ears. But feeling a bit of pinch, the intent is to advance even greater importance on IQ to justify the unwise socialization processes. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to deny 12% of the population access and ensure their assimilation into the main, after all. Maybe the rhetoric to malign said population was a just tad over the top.

    There's not a lick of evidence that indicates high IQ is required to have a functioning successful society. Nor is there evidence that high IQ is endemic in any particular gene or set of genes that indicates whites are smarter. In fact this very article suggests that whites in the US, including republicans have done themselves in. somehow, the high IQ gene missed the obvious, that skin color as a variable in social practice, thought and behavior is the least effective trait of measuring the same.

    Environment is and will be the predominant determinant in most subjective human development. Regardless of finely tuned the human animal to perfection, nothing impacts performance as much as environment. Even when that environment is pro-active to stimulating some cognitive superior development, it simply does not occur.

    Sure DNA determines biology. But neither IQ nor morality are objective artifacts. So the variables impacting the development of each or said subjective aspects of personality are to environment and by environment I mean both the physical and sociological. We know that even healthy biological development can be impacted profoundly by environment -- factors outside of dna instruction. It's a safe bet that is more the case with personality factors.

    Has anyone maligned you yet by calling you a laughable fucking idiot? You’re a troll. Why are you allowed to post?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    I am unclear by what you mean by troll. As for being an idiot. That may well be, however, that has nothing to do with the historical record.
  195. @Bliss
    It is a travesty that racist haters like you are allowed to be teachers. How many hispanic, black, amerindian children have you tormented in your tenure as teacher in racially diverse Los Angeles?

    Why the hell do you even live there?

    This teacher is the recipient of torture, stranded in a once-white metropolitan area now dominated by semi-retarded and violent minorities.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @Bliss
    Well, if you are justifying racist teachers mentally torturing or abusing children they teach, then you must also have no problems with racist doctors and nurses physically abusing patients they treat, right? Like this fine hero of the alt-right movement, who quite likely posts here as well:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/us/virginia-first-responder-racist-remarks/index.html

    An emergency medical technician has been placed on unpaid leave after racist comments surfaced of him comparing black patients to gorillas and claiming to take "immense satisfaction" as he "terrorized" an African American boy with a needle.

    Alex McNabb, a part-time EMT in Patrick County, Virginia, made the statements on a white supremacist podcast called "The Daily Shoah." McNabb is a frequent co-host of the podcast, whose title mocks the Holocaust.

    This individual should never be involved in patient care at any level," said Lock Boyce, the board of supervisors' chairman of Patrick County. "Not as a physician, a nurse, an EMT. Not anywhere." The rural, overwhelmingly white county in the Blue Ridge Mountains has a contract with McNabb's employers.

    He is making life-or-death medical decisions for residents of a variety of ethnicities, many of which do not fit his criteria for a white ethno-state," said Keegan Hankes, a senior research analyst with the Southern Poverty Law Center. "Whether drawn from his experiences as an EMT or fiction, (McNabb's statements) are tremendous cause for concern."

    Boyce, the Patrick County board chairman, said he will demand McNabb's firing at a county board meeting next Monday. If McNabb is still employed, Boyce said he will seek "to suspend all county funds" paid to the JEB Stuart Volunteer Rescue Squad.

    "This is not some backward county where we're a bunch of white supremacists," said Boyce, who says he's heard from many people in the county outraged over the reports. "We can't sit here and say it's their First Amendment right," he said. "We have to say 'no, this is the way to hell.'"
    , @Truth
    For the 1,200th time, there is no law preventing Cindy from moving to Butte, MT.
  196. @map
    1) In the late 1990's, Congress increased the tax exemption on residential housing. Before, you could exempt $25,000 from taxes. After, you could exempt $250,000. This made American residential housing the best investment in the world. This was the beginning of the housing boom.

    2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt.

    3) Congress established the mark-to-market rule, where banks were allowed to re-balance their assets upward if neighboring properties were sold for higher values.

    None of the factors signaled anything wrong with the market.

    The Fed was the entire cause of the collapse of the housing market, just like the Fed caused the crash in the Nasdaq in 2001 or so.

    Why? Greenspan thought that the Nasdaq was a victim of irrational exuberance, so he crashed the market to save the market in 2001. in 2008, Bernanke and Greenspan did the same thing because they thought the market was irrationally exuberant.

    This is the idiocy causing our boom-and-bust cycles. Powell is doing the same thing with his "neutral rate" idiocy. The Federal Open Mouth Commission is what is causing the crash.

    Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter's presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate.

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    All this technical jargon really just means that the $2,000,000,000,000 dedicated to Federally-secured and mandated mortgages for Mexicans was a really bad idea.

    • Replies: @map
    The point is that the mortgage-market would have been fine if not for the actions of the Fed.
  197. @Bliss
    Meanwhile, after the end of european colonialism all of Africa is becoming more and more urbanized which bodes well for the future. A few examples:

    Nairobi, Kenya:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjol7VN6TCs



    Lagos, Nigeria:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S1vd9SFHjis



    Kinshasa, Zaire:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZmuG8DknA



    Abidjan, Ivory Coast:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IVkCXjiVvhk

    Looks as if Chinese engineers and builders have been busy. What have they gotten in exchange for building Mexico City in Ethiopia and Ivory Coast? How much coffee do they need?

    • Replies: @Truth

    Looks as if Chinese engineers and builders have been busy.
     
    Much more likely to have been Germans, Brits or Americans. As where the engineers who built Beijing 50 years ago.

    What have they gotten in exchange for building Mexico City in Ethiopia and Ivory Coast?
     
    Money.
  198. @Eric Novak
    This teacher is the recipient of torture, stranded in a once-white metropolitan area now dominated by semi-retarded and violent minorities.

    Well, if you are justifying racist teachers mentally torturing or abusing children they teach, then you must also have no problems with racist doctors and nurses physically abusing patients they treat, right? Like this fine hero of the alt-right movement, who quite likely posts here as well:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/us/virginia-first-responder-racist-remarks/index.html

    An emergency medical technician has been placed on unpaid leave after racist comments surfaced of him comparing black patients to gorillas and claiming to take “immense satisfaction” as he “terrorized” an African American boy with a needle.

    Alex McNabb, a part-time EMT in Patrick County, Virginia, made the statements on a white supremacist podcast called “The Daily Shoah.” McNabb is a frequent co-host of the podcast, whose title mocks the Holocaust.

    This individual should never be involved in patient care at any level,” said Lock Boyce, the board of supervisors’ chairman of Patrick County. “Not as a physician, a nurse, an EMT. Not anywhere.” The rural, overwhelmingly white county in the Blue Ridge Mountains has a contract with McNabb’s employers.

    He is making life-or-death medical decisions for residents of a variety of ethnicities, many of which do not fit his criteria for a white ethno-state,” said Keegan Hankes, a senior research analyst with the Southern Poverty Law Center. “Whether drawn from his experiences as an EMT or fiction, (McNabb’s statements) are tremendous cause for concern.”

    Boyce, the Patrick County board chairman, said he will demand McNabb’s firing at a county board meeting next Monday. If McNabb is still employed, Boyce said he will seek “to suspend all county funds” paid to the JEB Stuart Volunteer Rescue Squad.

    This is not some backward county where we’re a bunch of white supremacists,” said Boyce, who says he’s heard from many people in the county outraged over the reports. “We can’t sit here and say it’s their First Amendment right,” he said. “We have to say ‘no, this is the way to hell.’

  199. Dar Es Salam, Tanzania:

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
    When the niggers get a load of the Chinks, they'll be pining for the good ol' days of white colonialism...lol.
  200. @Bliss
    It is a travesty that racist haters like you are allowed to be teachers. How many hispanic, black, amerindian children have you tormented in your tenure as teacher in racially diverse Los Angeles?

    Why the hell do you even live there?

    shutup idiot

  201. Can’t wait for another Civil war.

  202. @Bliss
    Dar Es Salam, Tanzania:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CercrZcRe6E

    When the niggers get a load of the Chinks, they’ll be pining for the good ol’ days of white colonialism…lol.

  203. @crimson2

    want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.
     
    Nobody cares if your kids are gay or straight. Maybe the problem is that you're paranoid.

    You really are a sick fuck.

  204. @Bliss
    It is a travesty that racist haters like you are allowed to be teachers. How many hispanic, black, amerindian children have you tormented in your tenure as teacher in racially diverse Los Angeles?

    Why the hell do you even live there?

    It is a travesty that racist haters like you are allowed to be teachers. How many hispanic, black, amerindian children have you tormented in your tenure

    Dunno. Does requiring college-level work from Black and Latinx undergraduates count as torture these days?

    as teacher in racially diverse Los Angeles?

    The university where I teach is not in Southern California.

    Why the hell do you even live there?

    See above.

  205. @map
    1) In the late 1990's, Congress increased the tax exemption on residential housing. Before, you could exempt $25,000 from taxes. After, you could exempt $250,000. This made American residential housing the best investment in the world. This was the beginning of the housing boom.

    2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt.

    3) Congress established the mark-to-market rule, where banks were allowed to re-balance their assets upward if neighboring properties were sold for higher values.

    None of the factors signaled anything wrong with the market.

    The Fed was the entire cause of the collapse of the housing market, just like the Fed caused the crash in the Nasdaq in 2001 or so.

    Why? Greenspan thought that the Nasdaq was a victim of irrational exuberance, so he crashed the market to save the market in 2001. in 2008, Bernanke and Greenspan did the same thing because they thought the market was irrationally exuberant.

    This is the idiocy causing our boom-and-bust cycles. Powell is doing the same thing with his "neutral rate" idiocy. The Federal Open Mouth Commission is what is causing the crash.

    Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter's presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate.

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    “2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt.”

    The US is no longer on the gold standard. There are plenty of reason we should be. However, you are engaged national and international economic analysis your model is going to be deeply flawed.

    Basel I and Basel I and Basel II. Sure the loan more than one’s balance by 10x as much(?) I am not sure your making your case. Here, the MBS’s were a sure sign that something was wrong. It’s just that few did their homework on the over valued properties bundled with properties accurately evaluated.

    There are issues with the Fed. but the fed does not regulate derivatives and have no idea how to do so. However, the “Best practices” of Wall Street trading were soley responsible for how they packaged products and even have entire departments to forecast the short and long term consequences.

    The FDIC. FTC, and rating agencies simply were out of their depth to the market analysis — an analysis that should not not be measured by the gold standard — yikes. The system =we are operating in now is more fluid and in my view volatile.

    The references I provided explicate the matter from several different angles. This is not merely a Fed caused issue.

    Furthermore the old school method of operating in which banks could work individually with borrowers or investors is long gone — the global system and global economic policies trump the power of local banks, save for the few independent banks.

    ———————————————-

    “Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter’s presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate.”

    This simply does not account for careless stock valuations, and excess lending. The rate is the rate. Financial institutions are still responsible for sound practices to the rate and other market forces. Making the fed responsible for irresponsible and careless risk taking cannot be loaded on the backs of the feds.

    • Replies: @map
    You are making the same argument about the "derivatives", "overvaluations" and other arguments that the Fed made...before the Fed decided to crash the market.

    The housing was not "irrational." The stock market was not "irrational."

    How old is mortgage banking in the US? 150 years? You're telling me they all forgot how to run their systems and thus destroyed their own economy?

    C'mon.

    The Federal Reserve controls short-term interest rates. The mechanism of this control is the Feds control over liquidity in the economy. To raise rates, they remove cash from bank reserves and replace it with bonds. To lower rates, they remove bonds and add cash. The former reduces liquidity in the economy, which basically starves the economy of fuel. Banks lend less because they are making a good return on the Feds tight money policy. For capital to flow elsewhere, the rates then have to be much higher. That's why prime goes to 8% and mortgages go to 11% thus crashing the economy.

    The "derivatives" you keep talking about are insurance contracts designed to protect against an adverse, though random, event. You cannot sell a mortgage without a corresponding CDS. Without derivatives, like options and futures contracts, modern business would be impossible to conduct.
  206. @map
    1) In the late 1990's, Congress increased the tax exemption on residential housing. Before, you could exempt $25,000 from taxes. After, you could exempt $250,000. This made American residential housing the best investment in the world. This was the beginning of the housing boom.

    2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt.

    3) Congress established the mark-to-market rule, where banks were allowed to re-balance their assets upward if neighboring properties were sold for higher values.

    None of the factors signaled anything wrong with the market.

    The Fed was the entire cause of the collapse of the housing market, just like the Fed caused the crash in the Nasdaq in 2001 or so.

    Why? Greenspan thought that the Nasdaq was a victim of irrational exuberance, so he crashed the market to save the market in 2001. in 2008, Bernanke and Greenspan did the same thing because they thought the market was irrationally exuberant.

    This is the idiocy causing our boom-and-bust cycles. Powell is doing the same thing with his "neutral rate" idiocy. The Federal Open Mouth Commission is what is causing the crash.

    Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter's presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate.

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    I will get back to this . . .

    student distraction and prep all day.

  207. @Eric Novak
    All this technical jargon really just means that the $2,000,000,000,000 dedicated to Federally-secured and mandated mortgages for Mexicans was a really bad idea.

    The point is that the mortgage-market would have been fine if not for the actions of the Fed.

  208. @EliteCommInc.
    "2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt."


    The US is no longer on the gold standard. There are plenty of reason we should be. However, you are engaged national and international economic analysis your model is going to be deeply flawed.



    Basel I and Basel I and Basel II. Sure the loan more than one's balance by 10x as much(?) I am not sure your making your case. Here, the MBS's were a sure sign that something was wrong. It's just that few did their homework on the over valued properties bundled with properties accurately evaluated.


    There are issues with the Fed. but the fed does not regulate derivatives and have no idea how to do so. However, the "Best practices" of Wall Street trading were soley responsible for how they packaged products and even have entire departments to forecast the short and long term consequences.

    The FDIC. FTC, and rating agencies simply were out of their depth to the market analysis -- an analysis that should not not be measured by the gold standard -- yikes. The system =we are operating in now is more fluid and in my view volatile.

    The references I provided explicate the matter from several different angles. This is not merely a Fed caused issue.

    Furthermore the old school method of operating in which banks could work individually with borrowers or investors is long gone --- the global system and global economic policies trump the power of local banks, save for the few independent banks.

    ----------------------------------------------




    "Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter’s presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate."


    This simply does not account for careless stock valuations, and excess lending. The rate is the rate. Financial institutions are still responsible for sound practices to the rate and other market forces. Making the fed responsible for irresponsible and careless risk taking cannot be loaded on the backs of the feds.

    You are making the same argument about the “derivatives”, “overvaluations” and other arguments that the Fed made…before the Fed decided to crash the market.

    The housing was not “irrational.” The stock market was not “irrational.”

    How old is mortgage banking in the US? 150 years? You’re telling me they all forgot how to run their systems and thus destroyed their own economy?

    C’mon.

    The Federal Reserve controls short-term interest rates. The mechanism of this control is the Feds control over liquidity in the economy. To raise rates, they remove cash from bank reserves and replace it with bonds. To lower rates, they remove bonds and add cash. The former reduces liquidity in the economy, which basically starves the economy of fuel. Banks lend less because they are making a good return on the Feds tight money policy. For capital to flow elsewhere, the rates then have to be much higher. That’s why prime goes to 8% and mortgages go to 11% thus crashing the economy.

    The “derivatives” you keep talking about are insurance contracts designed to protect against an adverse, though random, event. You cannot sell a mortgage without a corresponding CDS. Without derivatives, like options and futures contracts, modern business would be impossible to conduct.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    Actually the fed did not make that argument. And the evidence supports that view whether I make that argument or Donald Duck makes that argument.

    and I have not even addressed the other issues I referenced. As for Dir Greenspan, he does not make decisions on his own. Those are the decisions of the entire board, the chairman acts as the Board's spokesperson, the "point person" to fed behavior. But his most crucial observation is this, the economy is predicated on trust. The fed reserve trusted that whatever the MBS products they were rate accurately. They were not. Even if you want to note the derivatives as insurance, the contracts were faulty and did not insure against the bad apples sold as good apples. One could argue that the fed should have known. But as I previously stated, those formulas have become so complex as to making regulating them very difficult.

    You keep pointing the finger at the fed, but the fed is not responsible for selling over valued bushels of bad apples.

    Furthermore our monetary system is also represented by nothing more than the derivatives about the derivatives all predicated on a produced being X, if said product is actually L of less value all of those contracts of insurance on product and the insurance are going to lose value. The level of money transactions predicated on those products: pensions, business loans, salaries, etc. are all going to be impacted.

    And that regardless of the interest rates.


    Note: in that last video note the reference to gold as secondary to monetary policy, the largest reference is interestingly enough to government securities.

  209. @Eric Novak
    Looks as if Chinese engineers and builders have been busy. What have they gotten in exchange for building Mexico City in Ethiopia and Ivory Coast? How much coffee do they need?

    Looks as if Chinese engineers and builders have been busy.

    Much more likely to have been Germans, Brits or Americans. As where the engineers who built Beijing 50 years ago.

    What have they gotten in exchange for building Mexico City in Ethiopia and Ivory Coast?

    Money.

  210. @Eric Novak
    This teacher is the recipient of torture, stranded in a once-white metropolitan area now dominated by semi-retarded and violent minorities.

    For the 1,200th time, there is no law preventing Cindy from moving to Butte, MT.

  211. @map
    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    Check out the link. This is a comparison between the Dow and the Federal Funds Rate over twenty years.

    The 08 crash corresponds to the federal funds rate of around 5%.

    The funds rate was drastically lowered as a response to the precursors of the crash. That isn’t in the toolbox this time around.

  212. @map
    1) In the late 1990's, Congress increased the tax exemption on residential housing. Before, you could exempt $25,000 from taxes. After, you could exempt $250,000. This made American residential housing the best investment in the world. This was the beginning of the housing boom.

    2) Measured by the gold price, the period of the early oughts was a period of relatively low inflation. Gold traded in a range of $350-450 an ounce. This is why interest rates were low while the market was still clearing for new debt.

    3) Congress established the mark-to-market rule, where banks were allowed to re-balance their assets upward if neighboring properties were sold for higher values.

    None of the factors signaled anything wrong with the market.

    The Fed was the entire cause of the collapse of the housing market, just like the Fed caused the crash in the Nasdaq in 2001 or so.

    Why? Greenspan thought that the Nasdaq was a victim of irrational exuberance, so he crashed the market to save the market in 2001. in 2008, Bernanke and Greenspan did the same thing because they thought the market was irrationally exuberant.

    This is the idiocy causing our boom-and-bust cycles. Powell is doing the same thing with his "neutral rate" idiocy. The Federal Open Mouth Commission is what is causing the crash.

    Remember, the initial purpose of the Fed was to maintain the gold standard. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard, the fed ended up with nothing to do. First, they tried monetarism and inflated away Carter's presidency. Then, they tried exchange rates and caused the 1987 crash. Finally, they settled on controlling short-term interest rates. They have since blown the Nasdaq and the mortgage market because the Fed indirectly controls the prime rate, which moves at a 300 basis point premium to the federal funds rate.

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    Excuse the delay. I responded to these comments last night. the delay is not intentional , i was busy dealing with a prep for students. Sine I don’t see my comments noted. I will respond again.

    a. there are plenty of good reasons to invest in real estate. It’s a tangible, ,long term investment of a resource that can provide long range income returns. however, The packaging of MBS products as they were has absolutely nothing to do with the rates. it’s not the fed that packages derivatives — that’s the financial trading industry and bond markets (formulas to explain how a particular bond can, should or would turn a profit.) The derivatives market – linear equations describing how a particular product will do designed by astrophysicist —

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bis-derivatives-idUSKBN1OF0QG

    The fed does not design market products of real estate. The fed was not responsible for any institution that engaged in selling over valued trunches (bundled properties valued “a” properties along with say “d” valued properties. The fact that I sell you a bushel of apples as grade “a” on top with some percentage of grade “c” grade apples underneath is not the fault of the fed. My charging you the “grade “a” price for the entire bushel is not only a veer from best practices, it’s very likely fraud.

    Your argument has not a single connection to the rate charge against the product. Your inquisitive,

    b. concerning the health of the market is predicated on biting into the top of the barrel. And then claiming these apples are grade “a” and therefore the bushel is si grade “a”. No the bushel is over valued because some percentage of apples are actually not grade “A” but grade “C”. Your proclamation about the barrel based on your analysis of the top apples is false.

    The market assumptions about the value of the products reflected a false/incorrect valuation of properties because it either ignored or missed that actual value of the barrel which was overvalued by say 25%. The market over valuation of properties — indicates the market itself was not “just fine” And when word gets out that that you are selling bushels in which 25% are only worth 1/3 the the price. The value of those bushels will drop and they will sale for less or not at all. But for twenty years you have sold bushels in just that way. That is twenty years of over valuation that the market will have to absorb. So despite twenty years of positive ratings which reflect healthy product, we now know that those products were not healthy and neither was the economy flow upon which said flow was based.

    A physician who ignores my high blood pressure because the standard doesn’t require a thorough check to include high blood pressure and declares I am fine – when in fact, I am not. Your valuation of the market is ignoring the volumes of over valued products, sold for more than they worth and reflecting only the healthy products because the poor products are not counted —

    c. Never mind that the formula you are using to rate the products in this case gold is simply no longer the basis of the monetary policy we now operate under. I am going to be less generous than I was last night concerning the fed. The original purpose of the fed was merely to regulate or maintain “gold” as you suggest. The primary purpose of the fed has always been to:

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/pf.htm

    I just read a long 1996 paper on the Fed and gold was not even mentioned and for good reason.

    Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality G. Thomas Woodward Specialist in Macroeconomics Economics Division

    the fed: old School

    I am not proffering my advocacy for the fed. I am am just making clear of the Feds purpose – money creation and/or availability.

    • Replies: @map
    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    What is a derivative? It is a security that tracks another underlying security. All derivatives operate the same way. The oldest form of derivative is the commodity future. Financial futures appeared in the early 1970's as a result of the removal of the gold standard and the creation of currency fluctuations that wreaked havoc on business. Futures and options were created to mitigate these swings caused by a fiat currency.

    The CDS derivatives that you keep deriding were nothing more than put options bought to accompany the purchase of a mortgage securities. The various tranches that were created were nothing more than innovations in proper credit. They, in and of themselves, could not do anything to affect the value of mortgages because it is the value of the underlying mortgage that alters the derivative, not vice versa.

    What was the underlying change? The Fed thought the increase in the mortgage market was a fit of irrational exuberance. This is the same Fed that thought, in 2001, that the Nasdaq at 1500 was too high because there was no way a company like Microsoft could be worth more than General Electric. Like then, the Fed started raising the federal funds rate, which raises the prime rate by three percentage points. At it's peak, the Fed Funds went to 5.25%, which drove the prime rate to 8.5% or so, and drove ARM's to over 10% where before they were closer to 4-6%.

    What do you think happens to a mortgage payment when the interest on the ARM almost doubles?

    You think this near doubling of the mortgage payment and the consequent destruction of the liquidity market for mortgages had no effect on underlying real estate and the derivatives based on it.

    You bet it did. Ergo, the Fed caused this destruction of the housing market in 2008. IT IS THE SOLE CAUSE.

    Furthermore, the Feds purpose was not to "maintain gold." It was to maintain the gold standard, meaning an oz of gold was priced at $35. The adding or subtracting of money was built around the gold price: if gold went above $35, that indicated an excess of liquidity, so the fed reduced the amount of liquidity by removing cash from reserve accounts and adding bonds. If the gold price fell below $35, then that would indicate too little liquidity, so that would require removing bonds and adding cash. This was the basic system that was used since the Fed was created and it was the basis of Bretton Woods from about the end of the War to the early 1970's. This is the way liquidity was used to create price stability and preserve the value of the dollar.

    The Fed does not use gold. It used other measures because it does not know what it is doing. Trump could put us on the gold standard right now and eliminate the Fed as a problem, just like Nixon took us off the gold standard in the 1970's.

    Stop reading nonsense papers and, instead, look at the chart data at any investment site. I recommend Barchart run by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
  213. @map
    You are making the same argument about the "derivatives", "overvaluations" and other arguments that the Fed made...before the Fed decided to crash the market.

    The housing was not "irrational." The stock market was not "irrational."

    How old is mortgage banking in the US? 150 years? You're telling me they all forgot how to run their systems and thus destroyed their own economy?

    C'mon.

    The Federal Reserve controls short-term interest rates. The mechanism of this control is the Feds control over liquidity in the economy. To raise rates, they remove cash from bank reserves and replace it with bonds. To lower rates, they remove bonds and add cash. The former reduces liquidity in the economy, which basically starves the economy of fuel. Banks lend less because they are making a good return on the Feds tight money policy. For capital to flow elsewhere, the rates then have to be much higher. That's why prime goes to 8% and mortgages go to 11% thus crashing the economy.

    The "derivatives" you keep talking about are insurance contracts designed to protect against an adverse, though random, event. You cannot sell a mortgage without a corresponding CDS. Without derivatives, like options and futures contracts, modern business would be impossible to conduct.

    Actually the fed did not make that argument. And the evidence supports that view whether I make that argument or Donald Duck makes that argument.

    and I have not even addressed the other issues I referenced. As for Dir Greenspan, he does not make decisions on his own. Those are the decisions of the entire board, the chairman acts as the Board’s spokesperson, the “point person” to fed behavior. But his most crucial observation is this, the economy is predicated on trust. The fed reserve trusted that whatever the MBS products they were rate accurately. They were not. Even if you want to note the derivatives as insurance, the contracts were faulty and did not insure against the bad apples sold as good apples. One could argue that the fed should have known. But as I previously stated, those formulas have become so complex as to making regulating them very difficult.

    You keep pointing the finger at the fed, but the fed is not responsible for selling over valued bushels of bad apples.

    Furthermore our monetary system is also represented by nothing more than the derivatives about the derivatives all predicated on a produced being X, if said product is actually L of less value all of those contracts of insurance on product and the insurance are going to lose value. The level of money transactions predicated on those products: pensions, business loans, salaries, etc. are all going to be impacted.

    And that regardless of the interest rates.

    Note: in that last video note the reference to gold as secondary to monetary policy, the largest reference is interestingly enough to government securities.

    • Replies: @map
    "But his most crucial observation is this, the economy is predicated on trust. The fed reserve trusted that whatever the MBS products they were rate accurately. They were not. Even if you want to note the derivatives as insurance, the contracts were faulty and did not insure against the bad apples sold as good apples."

    How would the Fed know if the MBS products were rated correctly? What research would they do? Go over every deal? This is an absurdity.

    It's like watching a tsunami hit a nuclear plant and then complaining about the construction of the plant. Duh...a tsunami hit it.

    The Fed is the single greatest tsunami in the entire economy. What you are arguing is that the economy should be constructed to withstand a sudden withdrawal of liquidity from the economy engineered by a government department.

    The Fed operates under a faulty economic model where factors that would be considered good by normal people are in fact grave errors by the Fed: if wages go up, if employment goes up if the stock market goes up, then these are all examples of irrational exuberance that must be tamped down through higher interest rates. The Fed's actions are what is causing markets to collapse and the economy to slow down.
  214. @Eric Novak
    Has anyone maligned you yet by calling you a laughable fucking idiot? You're a troll. Why are you allowed to post?

    I am unclear by what you mean by troll. As for being an idiot. That may well be, however, that has nothing to do with the historical record.

  215. @EliteCommInc.
    Actually the fed did not make that argument. And the evidence supports that view whether I make that argument or Donald Duck makes that argument.

    and I have not even addressed the other issues I referenced. As for Dir Greenspan, he does not make decisions on his own. Those are the decisions of the entire board, the chairman acts as the Board's spokesperson, the "point person" to fed behavior. But his most crucial observation is this, the economy is predicated on trust. The fed reserve trusted that whatever the MBS products they were rate accurately. They were not. Even if you want to note the derivatives as insurance, the contracts were faulty and did not insure against the bad apples sold as good apples. One could argue that the fed should have known. But as I previously stated, those formulas have become so complex as to making regulating them very difficult.

    You keep pointing the finger at the fed, but the fed is not responsible for selling over valued bushels of bad apples.

    Furthermore our monetary system is also represented by nothing more than the derivatives about the derivatives all predicated on a produced being X, if said product is actually L of less value all of those contracts of insurance on product and the insurance are going to lose value. The level of money transactions predicated on those products: pensions, business loans, salaries, etc. are all going to be impacted.

    And that regardless of the interest rates.


    Note: in that last video note the reference to gold as secondary to monetary policy, the largest reference is interestingly enough to government securities.

    “But his most crucial observation is this, the economy is predicated on trust. The fed reserve trusted that whatever the MBS products they were rate accurately. They were not. Even if you want to note the derivatives as insurance, the contracts were faulty and did not insure against the bad apples sold as good apples.”

    How would the Fed know if the MBS products were rated correctly? What research would they do? Go over every deal? This is an absurdity.

    It’s like watching a tsunami hit a nuclear plant and then complaining about the construction of the plant. Duh…a tsunami hit it.

    The Fed is the single greatest tsunami in the entire economy. What you are arguing is that the economy should be constructed to withstand a sudden withdrawal of liquidity from the economy engineered by a government department.

    The Fed operates under a faulty economic model where factors that would be considered good by normal people are in fact grave errors by the Fed: if wages go up, if employment goes up if the stock market goes up, then these are all examples of irrational exuberance that must be tamped down through higher interest rates. The Fed’s actions are what is causing markets to collapse and the economy to slow down.

  216. @EliteCommInc.
    Excuse the delay. I responded to these comments last night. the delay is not intentional , i was busy dealing with a prep for students. Sine I don't see my comments noted. I will respond again.


    a. there are plenty of good reasons to invest in real estate. It's a tangible, ,long term investment of a resource that can provide long range income returns. however, The packaging of MBS products as they were has absolutely nothing to do with the rates. it's not the fed that packages derivatives -- that's the financial trading industry and bond markets (formulas to explain how a particular bond can, should or would turn a profit.) The derivatives market - linear equations describing how a particular product will do designed by astrophysicist --

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bis-derivatives-idUSKBN1OF0QG

    The fed does not design market products of real estate. The fed was not responsible for any institution that engaged in selling over valued trunches (bundled properties valued "a" properties along with say "d" valued properties. The fact that I sell you a bushel of apples as grade "a" on top with some percentage of grade "c" grade apples underneath is not the fault of the fed. My charging you the "grade "a" price for the entire bushel is not only a veer from best practices, it's very likely fraud.


    Your argument has not a single connection to the rate charge against the product. Your inquisitive,


    b. concerning the health of the market is predicated on biting into the top of the barrel. And then claiming these apples are grade "a" and therefore the bushel is si grade "a". No the bushel is over valued because some percentage of apples are actually not grade "A" but grade "C". Your proclamation about the barrel based on your analysis of the top apples is false.

    The market assumptions about the value of the products reflected a false/incorrect valuation of properties because it either ignored or missed that actual value of the barrel which was overvalued by say 25%. The market over valuation of properties -- indicates the market itself was not "just fine" And when word gets out that that you are selling bushels in which 25% are only worth 1/3 the the price. The value of those bushels will drop and they will sale for less or not at all. But for twenty years you have sold bushels in just that way. That is twenty years of over valuation that the market will have to absorb. So despite twenty years of positive ratings which reflect healthy product, we now know that those products were not healthy and neither was the economy flow upon which said flow was based.

    A physician who ignores my high blood pressure because the standard doesn't require a thorough check to include high blood pressure and declares I am fine - when in fact, I am not. Your valuation of the market is ignoring the volumes of over valued products, sold for more than they worth and reflecting only the healthy products because the poor products are not counted --

    c. Never mind that the formula you are using to rate the products in this case gold is simply no longer the basis of the monetary policy we now operate under. I am going to be less generous than I was last night concerning the fed. The original purpose of the fed was merely to regulate or maintain "gold" as you suggest. The primary purpose of the fed has always been to:

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/pf.htm

    I just read a long 1996 paper on the Fed and gold was not even mentioned and for good reason.

    Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality G. Thomas Woodward Specialist in Macroeconomics Economics Division


    the fed: old School

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8u0EIY6q-U

    I am not proffering my advocacy for the fed. I am am just making clear of the Feds purpose - money creation and/or availability.

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    What is a derivative? It is a security that tracks another underlying security. All derivatives operate the same way. The oldest form of derivative is the commodity future. Financial futures appeared in the early 1970’s as a result of the removal of the gold standard and the creation of currency fluctuations that wreaked havoc on business. Futures and options were created to mitigate these swings caused by a fiat currency.

    The CDS derivatives that you keep deriding were nothing more than put options bought to accompany the purchase of a mortgage securities. The various tranches that were created were nothing more than innovations in proper credit. They, in and of themselves, could not do anything to affect the value of mortgages because it is the value of the underlying mortgage that alters the derivative, not vice versa.

    What was the underlying change? The Fed thought the increase in the mortgage market was a fit of irrational exuberance. This is the same Fed that thought, in 2001, that the Nasdaq at 1500 was too high because there was no way a company like Microsoft could be worth more than General Electric. Like then, the Fed started raising the federal funds rate, which raises the prime rate by three percentage points. At it’s peak, the Fed Funds went to 5.25%, which drove the prime rate to 8.5% or so, and drove ARM’s to over 10% where before they were closer to 4-6%.

    What do you think happens to a mortgage payment when the interest on the ARM almost doubles?

    You think this near doubling of the mortgage payment and the consequent destruction of the liquidity market for mortgages had no effect on underlying real estate and the derivatives based on it.

    You bet it did. Ergo, the Fed caused this destruction of the housing market in 2008. IT IS THE SOLE CAUSE.

    Furthermore, the Feds purpose was not to “maintain gold.” It was to maintain the gold standard, meaning an oz of gold was priced at $35. The adding or subtracting of money was built around the gold price: if gold went above $35, that indicated an excess of liquidity, so the fed reduced the amount of liquidity by removing cash from reserve accounts and adding bonds. If the gold price fell below $35, then that would indicate too little liquidity, so that would require removing bonds and adding cash. This was the basic system that was used since the Fed was created and it was the basis of Bretton Woods from about the end of the War to the early 1970’s. This is the way liquidity was used to create price stability and preserve the value of the dollar.

    The Fed does not use gold. It used other measures because it does not know what it is doing. Trump could put us on the gold standard right now and eliminate the Fed as a problem, just like Nixon took us off the gold standard in the 1970’s.

    Stop reading nonsense papers and, instead, look at the chart data at any investment site. I recommend Barchart run by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    Your failure to respond to the bad apples in the bushel is not my "ignorance." Your are operating in the frame of market analysis. That frame explains the mechanisms. But you seem to be clueless to the issue.

    The products were overvalued. It matters not not what equation is used to tracks it growth or lack thereof. If you over value a product, include that product into your projections, your projections will be off.

    derivatives do all function the same and if they did I would further question their use. That they have a similar function is not the same as there doing the same. No contract or derivative formula of any product is going to be modeled the same and each model is going to reflect the process or track the process by which to make projections based on those particular market forces.

    But let's take your gymnastics on the fed's role on gold. I provided a clear and simple old school video that explained the purpose of the fed that coincides exactly with the paper I noted. Save one for this and it undercuts your your position on the fed entirely, despite the fact that I told you to note it. Gold standard was second to the securities of the government. hence the deep explanation and the conclusion to securities and then the note to "and the gold."


    What is clear is that money creation or valuation was already veering off gold long before Pres Roosevelt and Pres Nixon made specific moves to do so.

    Look your real beef here is that you think we should be on the gold standard. And you think that the fed is barrier to growth as opposed to an effective manager of stability. That's all well and fine. But your attack against the fed over the economic collapse just ignores too many and frankly, obvious problems of the market behavior. And there simply is no out out of the culpability here.
    Those who designed the formulas on MBS mortgages simply engaged in short cutting sound practice, such as checking the actual values of the properties in question, via realtors, banks what have you --- the term and you should know it well


    "due diligence" the failure to engage in due diligence occurred on multiple levels. You might have even been able to make a case against the fed on that score, but you are so insistent on supporting the markets rife with issues many previously stated in detail, that you miss the core of the problem. You remind me a woman friend I knew who worked on Wall Street. She was also very upset about what was being said about the failures and the evidence that market designers were at fault, not alone, but clearly in neck deep.


    I get why you are complaining about gold, but your history lesson is for naught --- the standard today as note ultimately is fluidity and as such, it makes almost no sense to talk about gold as the standard. I think my case here is laid out not merely by the so called "papers" i have referenced and the articles which you decry. But by your own advances. And then after a clear discussions of how a product's value can be misleading, you say look at the charts. My response is very simple, a chart that sees bad apples as good is going to reflect good apples. That chart will continue to reflect good apples as long as only the good apples, hence the so referenced "good" bushels ignore the bad apples.

    But when as will occur eventually, someone starts biting into those bad apples and discovers that the bushels of apples contain more bad apples than good or that the bad apples are so bad as to destroy the value of even the good apples ---- your charts are suddenly going to look very different.

    For example, looking at the charts beginning in 2007 and 2008. You may yell to high heaven

    "But the charts were good yesterday." But today having to consider the bad apples -- the charts were false indicators of the actual health of the market and the stacks of varying investments that invested in the same all felt the quake and as with any global system --- the waves of destruction just roll across the oceans.


    Here;s my encouragement, stop making products look like more than they are in order to make a buck and your charts will reflect real market forces as opposed to fictional smorgasbord's they can be.


    And you like my friend for whatever reason thinks, that the public should be punished for calling you out and I have no doubt you embrace the ethic, of,

    "Wait till you see what we do next."


    I think it's very clear that intelligent people can engage in all manner of rhetorical pose to justify why bad apples are either good apples, don't matter apples or both. As someone who really supports capitalism and even understands the value of stocks to building wealth. This discussion explains in very clear exchange why the markets simply cannot be trusted.

    I may or may not respond further. I think the record is clear as to why you think the economy was healthy and it's all the feds fault. My position is clear -- you cannot ignore bad apples and then expect people to continue buying when they discover that your selling bad apples as top quality product. And doing so will have an impact on the bottom line as evidenced repeated in market behavior.


    Would bad apple selling was the only problem -- apparently not.

  217. @TelfoedJohn
    Can someone explain the big difference between North Dakota and Minnesota? As far as I know, they’re ethnically quite similar.

    Sure – 50% of MN population is in the twin cities, with the typical blue tilt seen in any metropolis. North Dakota has no such urban concentration.

  218. @Bliss

    The expressly antiwhite party has used every means, fair or foul, especially massive immigration of Third World people to displace us.
     
    That sounds weird coming from someone who is raising a non-white family.

    The way things are going your wife and children wouldn’t be safe in white nationalist parts of the country. Perhaps you realize that subconsciously and that’s why you live in California not Appalachia?

    OK tough guy.

    The number of people coming here by marriage is a tiny fraction of legal immigration.

    The number of people coming here by marriage is also dwarfed by ILlegal immigration.

    We are not getting drastic unwelcome changes in our common language, traditional culture, safety, educational quality, and average intelligence or work ethic, increased congestion and pollution, overcrowding of medical facilities and prisons, declines in social and personal trust, etc., from the comparatively small number of people who come here as fiancées or spouses of US citizens. We are suffering all that because of the flood of illegal and especially legal immigrants.

    I do think, though, that people should need at least 10 or even 20 years of permanent residency here to apply for citizenship, rather than the 3 or 5 years that is required now. Much more time should be taken to acculturate, scrutinize, and assimilate the person before giving them citizenship.

    Also don’t think it’s wise to let anyone settle here who is known to be Muslim or comes from a Muslim country, nor from Africa and the Middle East. My wife’s not, and she’s likely brighter than you.

    End birthright Citizenship, family reunification / chain migration, and the diversity visa lottery, and prosecute some businesses in every State severely for using illegal aliens. Those measures, especially in tandem, will give us a chance to survive and reclaim most of our country — not trying to restrict the liberty of nativeborn citizens to pick our own spouses who come from abroad in a small minority of cases. And you may surmise that we tend to screen the people we are marrying and raising a family with, a hell of a lot closer than the fed gov scrutinizes even legal immigrants generally.

    My wife, incidentally, didn’t need me to stay here or get citizenship. She came to the USA before meeting me and already had the opportunity to apply for permanent residency while on work visa, then citizenship five years later,

    Thank you, as ever, for your input.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    It’s still strange to see race-mixers like you so emotionally invested in white nationalism. Hypocrite. Where’s your loyalty to the Fourteen Words?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

    Fourteen Words, 14, or 14/88, is a reference to the fourteen-word slogan “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,” or less commonly "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth."

    According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Fourteen Words slogan is derived from a passage in Adolf Hitler's autobiographical book Mein Kampf, and since the rise of the Alt-Right, the Fourteen Words have become a popular Alt-Right meme

    The slogan has been used in acts of white supremacist terrorism and violence. It was central to the symbolism of 2008's Barack Obama assassination plot, which intended to kill 88 African Americans, including future President Barack Obama (at that time the Democratic Party nominee), 14 of whom were to be beheaded.

    After the Charleston mass-murder shooting in June 2015, Dylann Roof's ideology and apparent manifesto emerged in the media with multiple references to "1488", these included several photos of Roof pictured alongside the numbers. He symbolically brought 88 bullets to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church to carry out the shooting, in which nine African Americans were killed

    Robert Bowers, the gunman suspected of killing 11 people and wounding 6 at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, included the numeric code "1488" in the header image of his Gab social media account. Bowers also expressed Christian Identity rhetoric declaring "the lord jesus christ is come in the flesh" while espousing anti-Semitic views that "jews are children of satan"
  219. @map
    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    What is a derivative? It is a security that tracks another underlying security. All derivatives operate the same way. The oldest form of derivative is the commodity future. Financial futures appeared in the early 1970's as a result of the removal of the gold standard and the creation of currency fluctuations that wreaked havoc on business. Futures and options were created to mitigate these swings caused by a fiat currency.

    The CDS derivatives that you keep deriding were nothing more than put options bought to accompany the purchase of a mortgage securities. The various tranches that were created were nothing more than innovations in proper credit. They, in and of themselves, could not do anything to affect the value of mortgages because it is the value of the underlying mortgage that alters the derivative, not vice versa.

    What was the underlying change? The Fed thought the increase in the mortgage market was a fit of irrational exuberance. This is the same Fed that thought, in 2001, that the Nasdaq at 1500 was too high because there was no way a company like Microsoft could be worth more than General Electric. Like then, the Fed started raising the federal funds rate, which raises the prime rate by three percentage points. At it's peak, the Fed Funds went to 5.25%, which drove the prime rate to 8.5% or so, and drove ARM's to over 10% where before they were closer to 4-6%.

    What do you think happens to a mortgage payment when the interest on the ARM almost doubles?

    You think this near doubling of the mortgage payment and the consequent destruction of the liquidity market for mortgages had no effect on underlying real estate and the derivatives based on it.

    You bet it did. Ergo, the Fed caused this destruction of the housing market in 2008. IT IS THE SOLE CAUSE.

    Furthermore, the Feds purpose was not to "maintain gold." It was to maintain the gold standard, meaning an oz of gold was priced at $35. The adding or subtracting of money was built around the gold price: if gold went above $35, that indicated an excess of liquidity, so the fed reduced the amount of liquidity by removing cash from reserve accounts and adding bonds. If the gold price fell below $35, then that would indicate too little liquidity, so that would require removing bonds and adding cash. This was the basic system that was used since the Fed was created and it was the basis of Bretton Woods from about the end of the War to the early 1970's. This is the way liquidity was used to create price stability and preserve the value of the dollar.

    The Fed does not use gold. It used other measures because it does not know what it is doing. Trump could put us on the gold standard right now and eliminate the Fed as a problem, just like Nixon took us off the gold standard in the 1970's.

    Stop reading nonsense papers and, instead, look at the chart data at any investment site. I recommend Barchart run by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

    Your failure to respond to the bad apples in the bushel is not my “ignorance.” Your are operating in the frame of market analysis. That frame explains the mechanisms. But you seem to be clueless to the issue.

    The products were overvalued. It matters not not what equation is used to tracks it growth or lack thereof. If you over value a product, include that product into your projections, your projections will be off.

    derivatives do all function the same and if they did I would further question their use. That they have a similar function is not the same as there doing the same. No contract or derivative formula of any product is going to be modeled the same and each model is going to reflect the process or track the process by which to make projections based on those particular market forces.

    But let’s take your gymnastics on the fed’s role on gold. I provided a clear and simple old school video that explained the purpose of the fed that coincides exactly with the paper I noted. Save one for this and it undercuts your your position on the fed entirely, despite the fact that I told you to note it. Gold standard was second to the securities of the government. hence the deep explanation and the conclusion to securities and then the note to “and the gold.”

    What is clear is that money creation or valuation was already veering off gold long before Pres Roosevelt and Pres Nixon made specific moves to do so.

    Look your real beef here is that you think we should be on the gold standard. And you think that the fed is barrier to growth as opposed to an effective manager of stability. That’s all well and fine. But your attack against the fed over the economic collapse just ignores too many and frankly, obvious problems of the market behavior. And there simply is no out out of the culpability here.
    Those who designed the formulas on MBS mortgages simply engaged in short cutting sound practice, such as checking the actual values of the properties in question, via realtors, banks what have you — the term and you should know it well

    “due diligence” the failure to engage in due diligence occurred on multiple levels. You might have even been able to make a case against the fed on that score, but you are so insistent on supporting the markets rife with issues many previously stated in detail, that you miss the core of the problem. You remind me a woman friend I knew who worked on Wall Street. She was also very upset about what was being said about the failures and the evidence that market designers were at fault, not alone, but clearly in neck deep.

    I get why you are complaining about gold, but your history lesson is for naught — the standard today as note ultimately is fluidity and as such, it makes almost no sense to talk about gold as the standard. I think my case here is laid out not merely by the so called “papers” i have referenced and the articles which you decry. But by your own advances. And then after a clear discussions of how a product’s value can be misleading, you say look at the charts. My response is very simple, a chart that sees bad apples as good is going to reflect good apples. That chart will continue to reflect good apples as long as only the good apples, hence the so referenced “good” bushels ignore the bad apples.

    But when as will occur eventually, someone starts biting into those bad apples and discovers that the bushels of apples contain more bad apples than good or that the bad apples are so bad as to destroy the value of even the good apples —- your charts are suddenly going to look very different.

    For example, looking at the charts beginning in 2007 and 2008. You may yell to high heaven

    “But the charts were good yesterday.” But today having to consider the bad apples — the charts were false indicators of the actual health of the market and the stacks of varying investments that invested in the same all felt the quake and as with any global system — the waves of destruction just roll across the oceans.

    Here;s my encouragement, stop making products look like more than they are in order to make a buck and your charts will reflect real market forces as opposed to fictional smorgasbord’s they can be.

    And you like my friend for whatever reason thinks, that the public should be punished for calling you out and I have no doubt you embrace the ethic, of,

    “Wait till you see what we do next.”

    I think it’s very clear that intelligent people can engage in all manner of rhetorical pose to justify why bad apples are either good apples, don’t matter apples or both. As someone who really supports capitalism and even understands the value of stocks to building wealth. This discussion explains in very clear exchange why the markets simply cannot be trusted.

    I may or may not respond further. I think the record is clear as to why you think the economy was healthy and it’s all the feds fault. My position is clear — you cannot ignore bad apples and then expect people to continue buying when they discover that your selling bad apples as top quality product. And doing so will have an impact on the bottom line as evidenced repeated in market behavior.

    Would bad apple selling was the only problem — apparently not.

  220. In one sentence…..

    Trump did not do anything about the welfare-reinforced mass immigration that undercuts US citizens in their own country’s labor market, hence the hibernation of Deplorables—including the Sailor-effect’s Trump Democrats—in the midterms.

  221. “The products were overvalued. It matters not not what equation is used to tracks it growth or lack thereof. If you over value a product, include that product into your projections, your projections will be off.”

    Overvalued according to what? The opinion of the Federal Reserve? Again, you are just confirming my argument that you base the value of these mortgages and the consequent derivatives on irrational exuberance.

    These products did not start failing until the Fed started raising the Federal Funds rate.

    “But let’s take your gymnastics on the fed’s role on gold. I provided a clear and simple old school video that explained the purpose of the fed that coincides exactly with the paper I noted. Save one for this and it undercuts your your position on the fed entirely, despite the fact that I told you to note it. Gold standard was second to the securities of the government. hence the deep explanation and the conclusion to securities and then the note to “and the gold.”

    The only thing your video is describing is how fractional reserve banking works.

    The Fed maintained the gold standard by adding and subtracting liquidity from bank reserve accounts. To add liquidity, you remove interest-bearing government securities and add cash which would raise the dollar-price of gold. To reduce liquidity, you remove cash and replace with interest-bearing securities, which would lower the dollar-price of gold. The government securities you referred to in the video was the mechanism by which the gold standard was maintained.

    This was called the Bretton Woods system.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system

    The Fed maintained the gold standard at $20 an oz from its inception until 1933. Then Roosevelt reset the gold standard to $35 an oz…and it remained that way until Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1973.

    “What is clear is that money creation or valuation was already veering off gold long before Pres Roosevelt and Pres Nixon made specific moves to do so.”

    This is actually false. Nixon attempted to force the Fed to simply print money to juice the economy and the result was a demand for conversion of American dollars held by foreign nations to gold. Nixon’s actions caused a run on gold reserves, to which he blamed “speculators” and then closed the gold window in 1971, eventually destroying the Bretton Woods system.

    “Those who designed the formulas on MBS mortgages simply engaged in short cutting sound practice, such as checking the actual values of the properties in question, via realtors, banks what have you — the term and you should know it well “due diligence” the failure to engage in due diligence occurred on multiple levels. You might have even been able to make a case against the fed on that score, but you are so insistent on supporting the markets rife with issues many previously stated in detail, that you miss the core of the problem.”

    Riiigghtt…nobody knew how to check property values. 120 years of mortgage banking experience was just systematically forgotten. And how would you check these values anyway, since your opinion is that everything was “too high?” You’re like Greenspan who thought the Nasdaq at 1500 in 2001 was “too high” and that Microsoft being worth more than General Electric in 1998 was “too high.”

    GE is not even in the DOW anymore and Microsoft is worth $800 billion. This is the caliber of Federal Reserve Board governor we have today.

    None of these “overvalued” securities started failing until the Fed started raising the Federal Funds rate.

    “And then after a clear discussions of how a product’s value can be misleading, you say look at the charts. My response is very simple, a chart that sees bad apples as good is going to reflect good apples. That chart will continue to reflect good apples as long as only the good apples, hence the so referenced “good” bushels ignore the bad apples.”

    What are you talking about?

    None of these products were failing on their own. That’s the point. They failed due to an external shock: a government agency raising interest rates. Do you not understand that mortgage and other credit securities are sensitive to interest rate changes? Do you not understand that the Fed controls short-term interest rates and that its actions cause inverted yield curves?

    The Federal Reserve forces mortgage rates from 4% to 10% and you think this was caused by derivatives?

    “But when as will occur eventually, someone starts biting into those bad apples and discovers that the bushels of apples contain more bad apples than good or that the bad apples are so bad as to destroy the value of even the good apples —- your charts are suddenly going to look very different.”

    Riiighttt…someone took the bushel and threw it over the cliff, yet you want to blame the bad apples inside the bushel for that happening. Your woman friend was right to be upset. I suppose the Japanese Tsunami back in 2012 revealed which buildings were the “good” buildings and which were the “bad” buildings, right?

    “But the charts were good yesterday.” But today having to consider the bad apples — the charts were false indicators of the actual health of the market and the stacks of varying investments that invested in the same all felt the quake and as with any global system — the waves of destruction just roll across the oceans.”

    The charts indicate that the Fed was raising rates at the same time the market was going up. The Fed then, like now, was short-circuiting the market by intentionally inverting the yield curve. Ergo, the Fed caused the 2008 crash.

    “Would bad apple selling was the only problem — apparently not.”

    This is called data:

    https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/technical-chart?plot=BAR&volume=0&data=MO&density=X&pricesOn=1&asPctChange=0&logscale=0&sym=$DOWI&grid=1&height=500&studyheight=100&overlay1=ffy00&axis1&axis2=false&axis3=false&isComparison=1

    Starting in late 2006, the fed raised the Federal Funds rate to 5.25% and mortgages skyrocketed to 10% or more, among all the other liquidity destroying measures that occurred. Now, you tell me how a “good” derivative is supposed to respond to this kind of event?

    I am floored by this thinking. We have a government agency whose sole purpose is to crash an economic system based on a) rising employment; b) rising wages; c) rising housing prices; d) rising stock market, drowning with ample evidence of what is happening, and yet, you want to ignore.

    Tell me: how do you expect to get ahead in an economy where a major government agency wipes out half your wealth and renders you unemployed every 7-10 years?

  222. @prime noticer
    i still have so much trouble seeing what the democrat party offers europeans that would make them lean democrat in lots of these states. i'm baffled.

    democrats openly state that they hate them, want them gone, want them disarmed, want their jobs replaced with third worlders, want their schools ruined, want their taxes raised, and most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped.

    what POSSIBLE reason could they have for voting for democrats in such large numbers? 50%? it makes NO SENSE.

    pertinent item: in california, they DELIBERATELY voted to RAISE the gasoline tax on themselves.

    how is that even possible? they voted against it over and over for decades, when given a chance, which forced politicians to force the tax raises. every person in california KNOWS the politicians don't intend to use the proceeds for roads or construction, and that they're just going to steal that money.

    yet this time, they voted yes. does this show overwhelming levels of conditioning and brainwashing at this point?

    Let’s be honest about Yankees. In their world, government works very well because it’s run by people who are naturally perservering and community-minded. They revere education and while they’re overall not as overtly religious as they used to be, they still have the Calvinist dream of building a utopian society. They often can’t imagine people who aren’t like this, and have traditionally been incredibly condescending towards people who don’t fit this ideal.

    Yankees have also always been myth writers. In the past the scholars at the elite universities used to tell stories about a melting pot; now they tell of intersectionality, where only white people are held up to their standards, while black, American Indian and Hispanic people are exempt, and these groups support them through a patronage relationship. They talk about “white privilege” because they are in general very privileged and have a disportionate impact compared to their true numbers. This effect can be seen most distinctly in North Carolina politics, where the minority of Yankee whites who relocated to Raleigh and Charlotte after the 1950s use the votes of the state’s large black population to propel themselves into government positions.

    What they’re really voting for is what’s disparagingly called “big government”. They want public education and socialised medicine and all that. In their states, these things would be run very well, with little corruption. They don’t care as much about immigration, because they’re generally getting the good immigrants, while the most violent ones settle elsewhere. More Chinese go to Boston, while more Salvadorans go to Houston, and I reckon it makes a difference.

    There is another big cross section of white people who like “big government”, generally in the “middle America” states such as Iowa, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and so on. Despite large Republican majorities in many of these governments, they have quite high taxes which support welfare states. They just resent being considered elites who need to give something up for the sake of minorities.

    The Democratic Party doesn’t really hate white people, no matter their rhetoric. The people who are really in control are the Yankee elite, no matter how many “POC” get elected to some minor office, and everyone knows it. They might be playing a dangerous game long term for a short-term political advantage, but you can’t say that they have nothing to offer. They’re giving their people what they want, with a few concessions tossed to their client demographics in exchange for votes.

    Also, I think it’s curious that you say “most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped”. It’s white people who want acceptance for LGBT, especially if they’re northerners and/or young. It’s not imposed by a political party. It’s not brainwashing. Northern white culture has a place for gays, because they can contribute to the civil service or business, and that’s what matters there. It doesn’t hurt that they’re only 3% of the population, either.

    Hypothesis: a more anti-immigration Democratic Party based on the more traditional Yankee ideals of assimilation rather than “diversity” would dominate the entirety of the midwestern US rather than just the portion they influence now, at the risk of losing California and other southwest states. Maybe Tim Draper knows what’s up.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    I just don't know where to start disecting your idiotic posting, which is full of more bullshit than I have encountered on the net in years.
    To start with the "Calvinist dream" , rather the Calvinist vision was never about any "utopian" society, rather much to the opposite, the emphasis being on self-control and humility.

    "Yankees have always been "myth writers" now just what the fuck does this even mean? Myself a born Yankee, and member of an extended family of artists and "scholars", none, but none of us have ever been inclined to manifest "myths" of any order. Johnny Appleseed, most certainly does no damage to society in any context.

    "There is another big cross-section of white people who like big government" generally in the "Middle America" states" : Wrong again as there most certainly is a "big" segment of middle America which likes big gov, these folks however being exclusively Democrats, as non-Democrats hate big gov with a passion, a fact which you convienently swept under the rug.

    "The Democrat party doesn't really hate white people no matter their rhetoric" : Bullshit, the current Democrat party, in which the tone is set by white-hating POC anyway , this contemporary Democrat party, including all of it's blue-haired nut-cases , and all of it's guilt-ridden loonies, this Democrat party does most certainly harbor a burning hate for all things which are not, white, leftist/socialist, and this venomous attitude goes far beyond any "Rhetoric", and what you are doing is expressing a pathetic attempt at euphemizing the passionate hate which the Democrats hold regarding non-Democrats.
    Go to the NYT and read the article comments, in which innumerable contributors openly state that they "hate" all things Republican, and that white people are the root of all evil in the US.

    I could go on and on regarding your deranged minset and posting, however this whole issue simply wears me out and I have no inclination to engage in anymore futile exchanges.

    "Authenticjazzman" "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.
  223. @RadicalCenter
    OK tough guy.

    The number of people coming here by marriage is a tiny fraction of legal immigration.

    The number of people coming here by marriage is also dwarfed by ILlegal immigration.

    We are not getting drastic unwelcome changes in our common language, traditional culture, safety, educational quality, and average intelligence or work ethic, increased congestion and pollution, overcrowding of medical facilities and prisons, declines in social and personal trust, etc., from the comparatively small number of people who come here as fiancées or spouses of US citizens. We are suffering all that because of the flood of illegal and especially legal immigrants.

    I do think, though, that people should need at least 10 or even 20 years of permanent residency here to apply for citizenship, rather than the 3 or 5 years that is required now. Much more time should be taken to acculturate, scrutinize, and assimilate the person before giving them citizenship.

    Also don’t think it’s wise to let anyone settle here who is known to be Muslim or comes from a Muslim country, nor from Africa and the Middle East. My wife’s not, and she’s likely brighter than you.

    End birthright Citizenship, family reunification / chain migration, and the diversity visa lottery, and prosecute some businesses in every State severely for using illegal aliens. Those measures, especially in tandem, will give us a chance to survive and reclaim most of our country — not trying to restrict the liberty of nativeborn citizens to pick our own spouses who come from abroad in a small minority of cases. And you may surmise that we tend to screen the people we are marrying and raising a family with, a hell of a lot closer than the fed gov scrutinizes even legal immigrants generally.

    My wife, incidentally, didn’t need me to stay here or get citizenship. She came to the USA before meeting me and already had the opportunity to apply for permanent residency while on work visa, then citizenship five years later,

    Thank you, as ever, for your input.

    It’s still strange to see race-mixers like you so emotionally invested in white nationalism. Hypocrite. Where’s your loyalty to the Fourteen Words?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

    Fourteen Words, 14, or 14/88, is a reference to the fourteen-word slogan “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,” or less commonly “Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth.”

    According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Fourteen Words slogan is derived from a passage in Adolf Hitler’s autobiographical book Mein Kampf, and since the rise of the Alt-Right, the Fourteen Words have become a popular Alt-Right meme

    The slogan has been used in acts of white supremacist terrorism and violence. It was central to the symbolism of 2008’s Barack Obama assassination plot, which intended to kill 88 African Americans, including future President Barack Obama (at that time the Democratic Party nominee), 14 of whom were to be beheaded.

    After the Charleston mass-murder shooting in June 2015, Dylann Roof’s ideology and apparent manifesto emerged in the media with multiple references to “1488”, these included several photos of Roof pictured alongside the numbers. He symbolically brought 88 bullets to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church to carry out the shooting, in which nine African Americans were killed

    Robert Bowers, the gunman suspected of killing 11 people and wounding 6 at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, included the numeric code “1488” in the header image of his Gab social media account. Bowers also expressed Christian Identity rhetoric declaring “the lord jesus christ is come in the flesh” while espousing anti-Semitic views that “jews are children of satan”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Um, yes, you make a sane and rational case there.
    , @anon

    The slogan has been used in acts of white supremacist terrorism and violence. It was central to the symbolism of 2008′s Barack Obama assassination plot, which intended to kill 88 African Americans, including future President Barack Obama (at that time the Democratic Party nominee), 14 of whom were to be beheaded.
     
    i never heard of this

    sounds like something fake the FBI would cook up, almost as silly as that NAZI march in Skokie, headed by a jew

  224. @Bliss
    It’s still strange to see race-mixers like you so emotionally invested in white nationalism. Hypocrite. Where’s your loyalty to the Fourteen Words?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

    Fourteen Words, 14, or 14/88, is a reference to the fourteen-word slogan “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,” or less commonly "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth."

    According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Fourteen Words slogan is derived from a passage in Adolf Hitler's autobiographical book Mein Kampf, and since the rise of the Alt-Right, the Fourteen Words have become a popular Alt-Right meme

    The slogan has been used in acts of white supremacist terrorism and violence. It was central to the symbolism of 2008's Barack Obama assassination plot, which intended to kill 88 African Americans, including future President Barack Obama (at that time the Democratic Party nominee), 14 of whom were to be beheaded.

    After the Charleston mass-murder shooting in June 2015, Dylann Roof's ideology and apparent manifesto emerged in the media with multiple references to "1488", these included several photos of Roof pictured alongside the numbers. He symbolically brought 88 bullets to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church to carry out the shooting, in which nine African Americans were killed

    Robert Bowers, the gunman suspected of killing 11 people and wounding 6 at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, included the numeric code "1488" in the header image of his Gab social media account. Bowers also expressed Christian Identity rhetoric declaring "the lord jesus christ is come in the flesh" while espousing anti-Semitic views that "jews are children of satan"

    Um, yes, you make a sane and rational case there.

  225. @may mori
    Let's be honest about Yankees. In their world, government works very well because it's run by people who are naturally perservering and community-minded. They revere education and while they're overall not as overtly religious as they used to be, they still have the Calvinist dream of building a utopian society. They often can't imagine people who aren't like this, and have traditionally been incredibly condescending towards people who don't fit this ideal.

    Yankees have also always been myth writers. In the past the scholars at the elite universities used to tell stories about a melting pot; now they tell of intersectionality, where only white people are held up to their standards, while black, American Indian and Hispanic people are exempt, and these groups support them through a patronage relationship. They talk about "white privilege" because they are in general very privileged and have a disportionate impact compared to their true numbers. This effect can be seen most distinctly in North Carolina politics, where the minority of Yankee whites who relocated to Raleigh and Charlotte after the 1950s use the votes of the state's large black population to propel themselves into government positions.

    What they're really voting for is what's disparagingly called "big government". They want public education and socialised medicine and all that. In their states, these things would be run very well, with little corruption. They don't care as much about immigration, because they're generally getting the good immigrants, while the most violent ones settle elsewhere. More Chinese go to Boston, while more Salvadorans go to Houston, and I reckon it makes a difference.

    There is another big cross section of white people who like "big government", generally in the "middle America" states such as Iowa, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and so on. Despite large Republican majorities in many of these governments, they have quite high taxes which support welfare states. They just resent being considered elites who need to give something up for the sake of minorities.

    The Democratic Party doesn't really hate white people, no matter their rhetoric. The people who are really in control are the Yankee elite, no matter how many "POC" get elected to some minor office, and everyone knows it. They might be playing a dangerous game long term for a short-term political advantage, but you can't say that they have nothing to offer. They're giving their people what they want, with a few concessions tossed to their client demographics in exchange for votes.

    Also, I think it's curious that you say "most of all, want their children homosexualized or trans chopped". It's white people who want acceptance for LGBT, especially if they're northerners and/or young. It's not imposed by a political party. It's not brainwashing. Northern white culture has a place for gays, because they can contribute to the civil service or business, and that's what matters there. It doesn't hurt that they're only 3% of the population, either.

    Hypothesis: a more anti-immigration Democratic Party based on the more traditional Yankee ideals of assimilation rather than "diversity" would dominate the entirety of the midwestern US rather than just the portion they influence now, at the risk of losing California and other southwest states. Maybe Tim Draper knows what's up.

    I just don’t know where to start disecting your idiotic posting, which is full of more bullshit than I have encountered on the net in years.
    To start with the “Calvinist dream” , rather the Calvinist vision was never about any “utopian” society, rather much to the opposite, the emphasis being on self-control and humility.

    “Yankees have always been “myth writers” now just what the fuck does this even mean? Myself a born Yankee, and member of an extended family of artists and “scholars”, none, but none of us have ever been inclined to manifest “myths” of any order. Johnny Appleseed, most certainly does no damage to society in any context.

    “There is another big cross-section of white people who like big government” generally in the “Middle America” states” : Wrong again as there most certainly is a “big” segment of middle America which likes big gov, these folks however being exclusively Democrats, as non-Democrats hate big gov with a passion, a fact which you convienently swept under the rug.

    “The Democrat party doesn’t really hate white people no matter their rhetoric” : Bullshit, the current Democrat party, in which the tone is set by white-hating POC anyway , this contemporary Democrat party, including all of it’s blue-haired nut-cases , and all of it’s guilt-ridden loonies, this Democrat party does most certainly harbor a burning hate for all things which are not, white, leftist/socialist, and this venomous attitude goes far beyond any “Rhetoric”, and what you are doing is expressing a pathetic attempt at euphemizing the passionate hate which the Democrats hold regarding non-Democrats.
    Go to the NYT and read the article comments, in which innumerable contributors openly state that they “hate” all things Republican, and that white people are the root of all evil in the US.

    I could go on and on regarding your deranged minset and posting, however this whole issue simply wears me out and I have no inclination to engage in anymore futile exchanges.

    “Authenticjazzman” “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

  226. ” . . . derivatives on irrational exuberance . . .”

    I read that book and aside from referencing Chairman Greenspan’s comments about the importance of honest dealings, none of my comments have anything to do with exuberance.

    You can be as bland as a cupcake and still get valuations incorrect. Especially if you base your analysis on overvalued apples and pretend that the grade “A” apples and the Grade “C” apples are worth the same.

    Stop whining about the fed. You have already demonstrated that your understanding of how the fed works is more than a tad off the mark. You are hyperventilating about interest rates, a rate hike was what caused the system to implode. I have dealt with your data sets. And it is likely they failed in diagramming the actual outlook. Excuse me,

    Here are some sources for what occurred

    Sheila Bair, FDIC Chairman — Bull By the Horns

    Neil Barofsky — Bail Out

    Gtecthen Morgenson and Joshua Rosner – Reckless Endangerment

    Papers lots and lots of papers. Nothing is going to convince anyone that the tactics used by the financial institutions to hide losses was the fault of reserve interest rates.

    Property values are established before interest rates or regardless of interest rates.

    Your swimming and going nowhere.

    “Investment banks were buying mortgages from mortgage issuers, repackaging them and then selling off specific tranches of the debt to investors. As time went on, there were fewer and fewer new mortgages to securitize so the structured products groups at banks started repacking MBS’s (i.e. taking the unsellable tranches of lots of MBS’s, repackaging them and then selling the new product – called collateralized debt obligations or CDOs).

    Theoretically, the pooling of different mortgages reduced risk and therefore these assets were quite safe, but in reality, the majority of the mortgages being securitized were of poor quality (also called sub-prime). The rating agencies who rated the MBSs and CDOs did not fully appreciate the low-quality mortgages backing the assets they were rating, or they overestimated the benefits of diversification in the housing market and as a result, many of the MBSs and CDOs were rated AAA (the very top rating).

    The top senior tranche of the MBSs and CDOs were rated AAA and paid a low rate of interest whilst the bottom tranches were often rated as junk but paid a very high rate of interest. Many investors did not want the expensive senior tranches which gave a low return and in order to keep the securitization and CDO machine rolling, many investment banks took to keeping these tranches on their own balance sheet.”

    https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/financial-banking-crisis-2008-overview

    The formulas used on the above is the issue or at least a portion of the issue.

    “Suddenly, investors started to lose confidence in the top AAA tranches and in the banks which held large amounts of them or had exposure to such assets.”

    Doesn’t have thing to do with the Fed. Loss of confidence in “A” grade apples as a direct result of the “C” grade apples impact. I get it, you want to protect your field. You won’t do it by engaging in field specific gymnastics to avoid the obvious. The fixed mortgage rates in 2007- 2008 never went above 7% on average. In 2007 interest rates dropped dramatically from 11.5% in keeping with the usual behavior of interest rates when the economy begins a downturn. In 2007 the global interest rate on the dollar peaked at 5.4%.

    The fed is going to raise and lower interest rates in response to the rate of growth of the economy to attempt maintain some balance. Interest rates are intended to slow or encourage lending — buying.

    The economy was not ok, it was not healthy . . . And the Fed is not responsible for banks over-leveraging on MBS products. The Fed is not responsible for the sale of these products to numerous pension funds, the Fed is not responsible for creative book keeping to make losses either not appear or appear as profits. you want to be upset with the Fed fine. But one might want to take a look at the behavior regarding Fannie and Freddy —

    Irrational exuberance is just another way of saying investors and sellers did not due their due diligence. The problem that set things in motion was not the result on interest rates. They over sold over lent and when it came to pay, they simply did not have it.

    The Fed is a private institution. It operates as service and is authorized by Congress and as one of its purposes to advise.

    The evidence is overwhelming that financial institutions including sellers of stocks and bonds made errors. We are not going to agree, but the data – even among marketing and financial analysts indicate that as fact – not merely rate hikes.

  227. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss
    It’s still strange to see race-mixers like you so emotionally invested in white nationalism. Hypocrite. Where’s your loyalty to the Fourteen Words?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

    Fourteen Words, 14, or 14/88, is a reference to the fourteen-word slogan “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,” or less commonly "Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth."

    According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Fourteen Words slogan is derived from a passage in Adolf Hitler's autobiographical book Mein Kampf, and since the rise of the Alt-Right, the Fourteen Words have become a popular Alt-Right meme

    The slogan has been used in acts of white supremacist terrorism and violence. It was central to the symbolism of 2008's Barack Obama assassination plot, which intended to kill 88 African Americans, including future President Barack Obama (at that time the Democratic Party nominee), 14 of whom were to be beheaded.

    After the Charleston mass-murder shooting in June 2015, Dylann Roof's ideology and apparent manifesto emerged in the media with multiple references to "1488", these included several photos of Roof pictured alongside the numbers. He symbolically brought 88 bullets to the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church to carry out the shooting, in which nine African Americans were killed

    Robert Bowers, the gunman suspected of killing 11 people and wounding 6 at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, included the numeric code "1488" in the header image of his Gab social media account. Bowers also expressed Christian Identity rhetoric declaring "the lord jesus christ is come in the flesh" while espousing anti-Semitic views that "jews are children of satan"

    The slogan has been used in acts of white supremacist terrorism and violence. It was central to the symbolism of 2008′s Barack Obama assassination plot, which intended to kill 88 African Americans, including future President Barack Obama (at that time the Democratic Party nominee), 14 of whom were to be beheaded.

    i never heard of this

    sounds like something fake the FBI would cook up, almost as silly as that NAZI march in Skokie, headed by a jew

  228. @RadicalCenter
    The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently.

    We would be in the same boat. Though slave were imported , it was outlawed in 1807 and only about 50K came in after that. You have to realize a large percentage of blacks came over as indentured servants, which is now pushed off into slavery figures. Was is important is that 50% of the WHITE people in America when it became a country came over here as indentured servants as well. So to have done without indentured servants there would not have been enough of a population of white people in America to form. What i am saying is the importation of indentured servants was largely color blind , whites and black were imported that way. If you were to go back and be able to stop “slavery” before it happened , there would still be a large population of blacks here in America.

    No , what really created the “blight” was the enactment of the Civil Rights laws in 1965, and also the concurrent changes in immigration laws at the time, and the subsequent in-rush of immigrants from Central America , that took up a lot of the low income jobs at the same time as the as the civil right laws welfare subsidies caused an increase in single mother birth rate of African Americans who would have no jobs to find once they reach adulthood. Now this has occurred for multiple generations..

  229. @RadicalCenter
    The evil pricks who owned or imported slaves were the ones who brought the African blight to our country. Hard to find anyone who has done more harm to all Americans, especially to nonAfricans. You’re wise to concede something about them, though of course you are not to blame for the evil they did and that they inflicted on us permanently.

    double post

  230. @Bliss
    So syon, which race do you blame for rural and small town decay?

    https://teamster.org/sites/default/files/5.12.14ruralphoto.jpg

    http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/161113_POL_Trump-Country.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

    https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2017/12/12/10/alabama-poverty1-0.jpg?w968

    https://www.houstonherald.com/news/rural-america-is-the-new-inner-city/article_9654a9be-5686-11e7-9b04-2fba14470ce7.html

    a Wall Street Journal analysis shows that by many key measures of socioeconomic well-being, those charts have flipped. In terms of poverty, college attainment, teenage births, divorce, death rates from heart disease and cancer, reliance on federal disability insurance and male labor-force participation, rural counties now rank the worst among the four major U.S. population groupings (the others are big cities, suburbs and medium or small metro areas).......“The gap is opening up and will continue to open up,” said Enrico Moretti, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied the new urban-rural divide.

    As jobs in manufacturing and agriculture continue to vanish, America’s heartland faces a larger, more existential crisis. Some economists now believe that a modern nation is richer when economic activity is concentrated in cities.

    The opioid epidemic – and a lack of access to treatment – have compounded the damage. In Hardin County, prosecutor Brad Bailey said drug cases, which accounted for less than 20 percent of his criminal cases a decade ago, have surged to 80 percent....The epidemic is spawning more thefts, including a rash of snatched air-conditioners sold for scrap metal, said Dennis Musser, police chief in Kenton. Linda Martell, a 69-year-old who moved to Kenton from outside Cleveland a decade ago to be near her daughter, was surprised a chain saw and heavy tools were stolen from her garage.

    Father Dave Young, the 38-year-old Catholic priest at Immaculate Conception, was shocked when a thief stole ornamental candlesticks and a ciborium, spilling communion wafers along the way....Before coming to this county a decade ago, Father Young had grown up in nearby Columbus – where for many years he didn’t feel safe walking the streets.....as Kenton — population 8,200 — continues to unravel, he said he has begun always locking the church door. Again, he finds himself looking over his shoulder. “I just did not expect it here,” he said.

    Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez......recalls being surprised when he learned in the mid-2000s that rural areas, not cities, were the center of an emerging methamphetamine epidemic.


    The lesson you racial megalomaniacs need to learn is not to gloat over the misfortune of others. Genes don’t explain everything.

    Those white places may be poor and have high drug usage , but you can safely walk down the street at night. Compare the violent crime rates in West Virginia and some place like Baltimore , hell go compare the property crime rates.

    Poverty does not cause crime where there is a victim , something else does. Compare West Virginia with any other poor place in America, and remember West Virginia is poorer than all of them, there is one telling difference

    I see the same thing where I live, which happens to be the second poorest state in America(Mississippi) , only of course our racial demographics are far different from West Virginia.

  231. I see the same thing where I live, which happens to be the second poorest state in America(Mississippi) , only of course our racial demographics are far different from West Virginia.

    Tell me in which town you live; I’ll send you the phone number for the nearest U-Haul.

  232. @5371
    I agree with the bleak assessment of Trump's chances. In the midterms he showed a great ability to rally his supporters, but an even greater ability to rally his enemies. Very difficult to see that pattern changing when he is on the ballot himself. Nor has he ever reached the minimum approval rating which has historically been compatible with winning an election. And as AE says, all that is without taking into consideration the likely deterioration in economic climate.

    Like everyone else, you are looking at Trump’s reelection chances in a vacuum. In addition to the value of incumbency, the Dems have to nominate somebody. I have great confidence in their ability to nominate someone who will be less popular than Trump with policy position positions far less popular.

  233. @Bliss

    If Republicans in Texas have a clue, they will immediately enact legislation that apportions their State’s electoral votes by congressional district
     
    If such a law were in place now Democrats would win 13 of the 38 electoral votes in Texas in 2020 instead of the 0 they won in 2016. And they would win 14 of the 29 electoral votes in Florida instead of the zero in 2016.

    If such a law was now in place in every state and the proportion of Democrats remained the same as in the incoming House, then the Democrats would win 290 of the electoral votes, 20 more than the 270 required for victory.

    As for the large number of felons getting the right to vote in Florida it will help the Republicans not the Democrats. For convicted white felons comfortably outnumber black felons in Florida, and whites are more likely to vote than blacks.

    These are excellent points. Another point to make about O’Rourke’s result in Texas is that it was not based on non-Whites. Rather, he was the Great White Hope of urban and inner suburban Whites. By contrast, had O’Rourke had the “normal” Democrat margin of victory and turnout among Hispanics of the Rio Grande Valley, he likely would have won. It looks like the urban/rural split is also an important factor that transcends the usual race/ethnicity split.

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