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From Trends, the top five states for relative search volume interest in “white supremacy” over the last year:

Our imperial overlords appear to be far more interested in it than middle Americans are. We should expect a white kid from some loserville in say, Wyoming, to be the one looking for a portal into the world of white supremacy, shouldn’t we?

The bottom five states for search volume interest in the phrase:

What is the zeitgeist like in Hawaii? As I understand it there has long been an undercurrent of resentment towards white colonizers (ie “kill Haole day“), but it is not ubiquitous and race relations are relatively good on the islands given the demographic composition of the population.

Parenthetically, I was trying to figure out why the second-most related search topic, after “New Zealand”, was the Eric Clapton song “Layla”.

Well, it looks to be on account a woman named Layla F. Saad, the authoress of a workbook entitled Me and White Supremacy, the purpose of which is to “educate people with white privilege as to their internalised racism, and facilitate personal and collective change to help dismantle the oppressive system of white supremacy.” It is billed as “a first-of-its-kind personal anti-racism tool for people holding white privilege to begin to examine and dismantle their complicity in the oppressive system of white supremacy.”

The concept of Original Sin is alive and well in the current year.

 
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  1. The people most interested in “white supremacy” have never met anybody remotely close to one. Just like they have never met a black, or an illegal alien. They operate in completely white zones, and work with all goodwhites with some top level minorities mixed in.

    Until their lives get difficult, they will not change. Releasing aliens into their cities is a great start.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like "Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!" or some such. I have not.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don't want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone, and not have their productivity seized at gun point so it can be handed to the useless hordes of ungrateful vibrancy.
    , @Feryl
    "The people most interested in “white supremacy” have never met anybody remotely close to one. Just like they have never met a black, or an illegal alien. They operate in completely white zones, and work with all goodwhites with some top level minorities mixed in. "

    Actually, our elite centers in the Northeast and West Coast now have quite a few non-whites; and furthermore, the mid-Atlantic has a pretty large black upper class population. I've noticed that in the Trump era, a lot of journalists now have Asian/Sub-Continental/Middle Eastern surnames. In all likelihood, many upper class POC are genuinely terrified that white Middle Americans are building some kind fascist movement to restore this country to pre-1980 demographics. They've been conditioned to think that everything they've gained is greatly resented by blue collar whites who've seen their status and reputation take a major hit over the last 40 years.

    Note that blacks in Middle America aren't as gullible as elites are. In 2nd and 3rd tier metro areas, both whites and blacks realize that neo-liberals sold America out decades ago. Blacks in these areas are just as likely to nod along with the sentiment that rich assholes have destroyed this country as they are to agree that white people are, to this day, abusing racial priviledge. It is elite "minorities" who are constantly emphasizing racial issues while ignoring class issues (e.g., desperately trying to hide the fact that what's really changed in America, for the worse, is the career prospects of 50-70% of Americans, ever since Carter and Reagan vowed to take America out of the New Deal and it's economic fairness). Notice also that stories about declining "white America" generally ignore the fact that the working class of all races has seen it's fortunes decline dramatically since the late 70's, regardless of the EEOC demanding that non-whites be hired by larger companies.

    America's racial demographics have changed so dramatically over the last 30 years that the days of "elite" meaning "white" are long gone. Boomers and Gen X-ers grew up in pre-1990 America, when "the suburbs" were generally code word for white and affluent. Millennials and Gen Z, however, have grown up in an America where only small towns are monolithically white, and the suburbs have become a very economically and racially mixed beast.
  2. So, Maryland and Virginia are presumably just an extension of DC – that’s interesting. But what does it represent? Media market? Bureaucrats? NGOs? Superzips?

    • Replies: @216
    Government contractors, CIA-sponsored refugees, Middle-class blacks.
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    NOVA as North Virginia is informally called comprises 1/3rd of the state's population, and is one of the most educated and youngest metros and thus bulk of votes. Whatever remains of the old guard government Republicans is annihilated, though maybe not considering one of Stewart's best primary areas was Fairfax.

    70% of Democrats in exit polls identified as liberals in Virginia (very liberal - 30%, somewhat liberal 40%) which is more than Ohio. In pricent/county analysis of the youngest areas, the GOP gets unquestionable killed.

    Meanwhile it might not be too long before Virginia is a Democratic trifecta with 5% union density. What a world...
    , @Mr McKenna
    Obviously, Washington DC is a city, not a state (as AE surely knows) and if other major cities were ranked many would be right up there with it. Maryland, meanwhile, was always 'up there' and Virginia has tipped thanks to migration from northern states and especially from foreign countries.

    But yes, the suburban aspects of being adjacent to the nation's capital are a major factor in both cases. Vermont and Oregon, of course, are full of 'white liberals'.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Yes.
  3. Isn’t Hawaii mostly Asians and Filipinos? Maybe, that explains it.

    Some of these low states (including Hawaii) have a much lower percentage of single mothers, but Louisiana is very high, for obvious reasons. #1 in 2017.

    • Replies: @216
    Whites in Hawaii are mainly either military or retirees. There aren't that many "settlers", and YT has never been the majority in that state. High housing costs also have a way of boiling off discontented (white) youth to the mainland.

    Census Bureau data seems to indicate that the white proportion is increasing in Hawaii, an indicator that retirees are purchasing property. This might become inflamed in the future, but presently boosts the interest of older locals selling overvalued property.

    Steve Sailer's articles on Hawaii are very informative.
    , @14wordstofreedom
    Hawaii is an ethnostate, with the tiny minority populations (whites in this case) acting as foreign guests.
  4. Are you now or have you ever been a white …

    Some of you might want to start working on your response.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "Are you now or have you ever been a white ... "

    Racial McCarthyism. Hopefully, the cultural Marxist fever will recede within the white liberal population. I'm not optimistic.
  5. @songbird
    Isn't Hawaii mostly Asians and Filipinos? Maybe, that explains it.

    Some of these low states (including Hawaii) have a much lower percentage of single mothers, but Louisiana is very high, for obvious reasons. #1 in 2017.

    Whites in Hawaii are mainly either military or retirees. There aren’t that many “settlers”, and YT has never been the majority in that state. High housing costs also have a way of boiling off discontented (white) youth to the mainland.

    Census Bureau data seems to indicate that the white proportion is increasing in Hawaii, an indicator that retirees are purchasing property. This might become inflamed in the future, but presently boosts the interest of older locals selling overvalued property.

    Steve Sailer’s articles on Hawaii are very informative.

  6. @songbird
    So, Maryland and Virginia are presumably just an extension of DC - that's interesting. But what does it represent? Media market? Bureaucrats? NGOs? Superzips?

    Government contractors, CIA-sponsored refugees, Middle-class blacks.

  7. “Social liberal, fiscal conservative”

  8. @songbird
    Isn't Hawaii mostly Asians and Filipinos? Maybe, that explains it.

    Some of these low states (including Hawaii) have a much lower percentage of single mothers, but Louisiana is very high, for obvious reasons. #1 in 2017.

    Hawaii is an ethnostate, with the tiny minority populations (whites in this case) acting as foreign guests.

  9. @songbird
    So, Maryland and Virginia are presumably just an extension of DC - that's interesting. But what does it represent? Media market? Bureaucrats? NGOs? Superzips?

    NOVA as North Virginia is informally called comprises 1/3rd of the state’s population, and is one of the most educated and youngest metros and thus bulk of votes. Whatever remains of the old guard government Republicans is annihilated, though maybe not considering one of Stewart’s best primary areas was Fairfax.

    70% of Democrats in exit polls identified as liberals in Virginia (very liberal – 30%, somewhat liberal 40%) which is more than Ohio. In pricent/county analysis of the youngest areas, the GOP gets unquestionable killed.

    Meanwhile it might not be too long before Virginia is a Democratic trifecta with 5% union density. What a world…

  10. Are you now or have you ever been a white …

    Had an interesting conversation with you my daughter about this yesterday; she was going off on how some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters (this is in a mostly white high school). I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    A less serious question (really only for those that aren’t Hitler fanbois); who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    For me it’s gotta be the guy who wore all black:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    Hmm … that might be one of those situations where you have to be one or the other to know the difference. I doubt that the ethnic whites in Detroit in the 40’s and 50’s could tell the difference among the “immigrants.”

    I would say that a hillbilly requires an actual geographic connection to the mountains, whereas a redneck could be from any location. Unrestrained generalizing leads me to say that the probability that a hillbilly would also be a redneck is high, while the probability that a given redneck is an actual hillbilly is low. When I was young, we (rednecks and those trying to get away from redneckery? reckneckness?) would distance ourselves from actual hillbillies. We used to call them ridge runners as a derogatory term.

    Maybe your daughter could say that she is speaking as an individual. (Wait! Can't she just play her Muslim card?)

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... (this is in a mostly white high school)."

    No surprise.

    " ... the coolest White guy ever ..."

    My answer is plural rather than singular: the U.S. Marines who engaged the tenacious and often fanatical Japanese enemy in relentlessly brutal and racialist combat across a series of islands in the Pacific during WWII.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Hillbillies live in the hills, and are generally quite poor.

    Rednecks are working class white guys who do redneck things. There are rich rednecks, poor rednecks, educated, uneducated, urban, rural.

    Every hillbilly is a redneck but most rednecks aren't hillbillies.

    Picture this: the hillbilly is a dirt poor guy, covered in filth, wearing overalls, junk all over his yard, and maybe missing teeth. The redneck just got off work for the week, and is going to drive his boat up to the cottage to drink beer and go fishing.

    some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters

     

    Sad to hear this, but not surprised. The anti white brainwashing was severe in American schools when I checked 8 years ago. Can't imagine it now.

    People will dispute this, but I find it kind of impressive that American whites are staying as conservative as they are, and even moving right despite the horrific indoctrination. It shows guts and a belief in the idea of the country (that unfortunately no longer exists).
    , @Ancient Briton
    Hillbilly, redneck, cracker, hoosier ... See David Hackett Fischer's mighty tome Albion's Seed.
    , @Twinkie

    who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?
     
    My vote would be for one of these two men:
    https://dailyarchives.org/images/skorzeny-suit.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/William_Joseph_Donovan_cph.3b17495.jpg
    , @Feryl
    Hillbilly has declined in usage, but I was always under the impression that it referred to Scots-Irish people from Appalachia and the Ozarks (ya know, the kind of people who engaged in clan rivalries lasting decades). Whereas "redneck" is used both derisively and affectionately, and typically refers to someone who either grew up in rural America, or grew up in the suburbs but has very prolish tastes and attitudes. Some "rednecks" move to a nice suburb or the city and adopt a sophisticated affect, which allows them to "escape" their origins.

    I've noticed that working class people (in either job or mindset) who grew up in small towns and downscale suburbs tend to be thought of as "rednecks" by urbanites, and generally never quite try and escape that image. Evangelical Christianity, and Anglo-Teutonic-Celtic ancestry also tend to be associated with the "redneck" image, since Catholic Americans are mostly not involved in Religious Right sub-cultures, while elite whites generally don't make religion the focus of their life. Here in Minnesota, once you get past the 2nd ring suburbs of Minneapolis/St. Paul, you can count on seeing pro-life billboards on the highway.
  11. @Talha

    Are you now or have you ever been a white …
     
    Had an interesting conversation with you my daughter about this yesterday; she was going off on how some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters (this is in a mostly white high school). I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    A less serious question (really only for those that aren’t Hitler fanbois); who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    For me it’s gotta be the guy who wore all black:
    https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Snake-Eyes-GI-Joe-Hama-Ninja-c.jpg

    Peace.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    Hmm … that might be one of those situations where you have to be one or the other to know the difference. I doubt that the ethnic whites in Detroit in the 40’s and 50’s could tell the difference among the “immigrants.”

    I would say that a hillbilly requires an actual geographic connection to the mountains, whereas a redneck could be from any location. Unrestrained generalizing leads me to say that the probability that a hillbilly would also be a redneck is high, while the probability that a given redneck is an actual hillbilly is low. When I was young, we (rednecks and those trying to get away from redneckery? reckneckness?) would distance ourselves from actual hillbillies. We used to call them ridge runners as a derogatory term.

    Maybe your daughter could say that she is speaking as an individual. (Wait! Can’t she just play her Muslim card?)

    • Replies: @Talha
    Thanks for the insights on the RN/HB nexus - there must be an official Venn diagram somewhere.

    Wait! Can’t she just play her Muslim card?
     
    Ok - so I just asked her and apparently she was talking about the issue in a general sense at her school (I admit I had come in halfway into the conversation that she was having with my wife, so I guess I hadn’t heard that detail). She says she has never had that said to her because her scarf confers automatic non-White status even to Whites...interesting.

    Now, coolest (real or fictional) White guy ever...?

    If anyone says Judge Holden, you’re just disturbed.

    Peace.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    It's mostly already been said, but hillbilly has a general geographic connotation that redneck does not.

    Country is redneck music.

    Hillbilly music is more distinct. This was once described to me as "hillbilly soul" (all of you thought I'd link to dueling banjos in Deliverance but I didn't!).
  12. @iffen
    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    Hmm … that might be one of those situations where you have to be one or the other to know the difference. I doubt that the ethnic whites in Detroit in the 40’s and 50’s could tell the difference among the “immigrants.”

    I would say that a hillbilly requires an actual geographic connection to the mountains, whereas a redneck could be from any location. Unrestrained generalizing leads me to say that the probability that a hillbilly would also be a redneck is high, while the probability that a given redneck is an actual hillbilly is low. When I was young, we (rednecks and those trying to get away from redneckery? reckneckness?) would distance ourselves from actual hillbillies. We used to call them ridge runners as a derogatory term.

    Maybe your daughter could say that she is speaking as an individual. (Wait! Can't she just play her Muslim card?)

    Thanks for the insights on the RN/HB nexus – there must be an official Venn diagram somewhere.

    Wait! Can’t she just play her Muslim card?

    Ok – so I just asked her and apparently she was talking about the issue in a general sense at her school (I admit I had come in halfway into the conversation that she was having with my wife, so I guess I hadn’t heard that detail). She says she has never had that said to her because her scarf confers automatic non-White status even to Whites…interesting.

    Now, coolest (real or fictional) White guy ever…?

    If anyone says Judge Holden, you’re just disturbed.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @res
    Not a Venn diagram, but this excerpt from the book Hillbillies, Rednecks, Crackers and White Trash gives a decent idea of how those terms (and more) relate: https://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=history_fac_pubs

    Your daughter's case is interesting. Given that she was not the target, what is your advice to her? Obviously, your original advice stands ("I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part."), but I mean how should she react to the situation she was in?
  13. @iffen
    Are you now or have you ever been a white ...

    Some of you might want to start working on your response.

    “Are you now or have you ever been a white … ”

    Racial McCarthyism. Hopefully, the cultural Marxist fever will recede within the white liberal population. I’m not optimistic.

  14. @Talha
    Thanks for the insights on the RN/HB nexus - there must be an official Venn diagram somewhere.

    Wait! Can’t she just play her Muslim card?
     
    Ok - so I just asked her and apparently she was talking about the issue in a general sense at her school (I admit I had come in halfway into the conversation that she was having with my wife, so I guess I hadn’t heard that detail). She says she has never had that said to her because her scarf confers automatic non-White status even to Whites...interesting.

    Now, coolest (real or fictional) White guy ever...?

    If anyone says Judge Holden, you’re just disturbed.

    Peace.

    Not a Venn diagram, but this excerpt from the book Hillbillies, Rednecks, Crackers and White Trash gives a decent idea of how those terms (and more) relate: https://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=history_fac_pubs

    Your daughter’s case is interesting. Given that she was not the target, what is your advice to her? Obviously, your original advice stands (“I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.”), but I mean how should she react to the situation she was in?

    • Replies: @Talha
    She has actually gotten into arguments with others in defending the idea that you simply cannot dismiss White peoples’ opinions because they are White. But she told me that many of these people cannot be reasoned with since their initial premise is that White peoples’ opinions don’t count. How does one challenge that? You cannot, unless you are able to get the other side to see they are basically being racist in the other direction.

    It’s a bit like how a Muslim deals with a charge of taqiyyah; you’re set up to lose since everything coming out of your mouth is a lie. Y definition. Best to just say “good day” look at your watch and move along.

    As I said, my advice to her is to not be ashamed of her European heritage just like with her Subcontinent heritage. And at the least don’t ever internalize the idea that her opinion doesn’t count. Can’t change the world but you can at least try to stand your ground and not let your mind be “colonized”.

    Peace.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    My mother's people were Okies who migrated to California in the 1930s during the Dust Bowl/Great Depression era. Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was "peckerwood." Peckerwood is a variant of redneck and hillbilly.
  15. @res
    Not a Venn diagram, but this excerpt from the book Hillbillies, Rednecks, Crackers and White Trash gives a decent idea of how those terms (and more) relate: https://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=history_fac_pubs

    Your daughter's case is interesting. Given that she was not the target, what is your advice to her? Obviously, your original advice stands ("I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part."), but I mean how should she react to the situation she was in?

    She has actually gotten into arguments with others in defending the idea that you simply cannot dismiss White peoples’ opinions because they are White. But she told me that many of these people cannot be reasoned with since their initial premise is that White peoples’ opinions don’t count. How does one challenge that? You cannot, unless you are able to get the other side to see they are basically being racist in the other direction.

    It’s a bit like how a Muslim deals with a charge of taqiyyah; you’re set up to lose since everything coming out of your mouth is a lie. Y definition. Best to just say “good day” look at your watch and move along.

    As I said, my advice to her is to not be ashamed of her European heritage just like with her Subcontinent heritage. And at the least don’t ever internalize the idea that her opinion doesn’t count. Can’t change the world but you can at least try to stand your ground and not let your mind be “colonized”.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    It’s a bit like how a Muslim deals with a charge of taqiyyah; you’re set up to lose since everything coming out of your mouth is a lie. Y definition
     
    Exactly. The conversation will not advance, and nothing of substance will come out of it. No meaningful discussion will be held. When you prove the information to them, the context in which things happened, the reason for it, the people who do it, etc etc...We return to the namecalling. Then they accuse you of practising taquiyya, even though you've tried to show them that it does not mean what they think it means. They already have a set view, which they do not plan to challenge, so they will use that against you in the end. Best not to argue with these people who screech "MUH TAQUIYA", as they are not questioning you because of genuine curiosity, or because of legitimate criticism. They are doing so for purely malicious reasons. I know now that it is wise not to give them the attention they so desperately crave, so I merely ignore the comments which they make. Again, it's a race to the bottom with these folks, and it is a pure waste of time, as they bring nothing to the discussion at hand.


    Regards
  16. @Talha

    Are you now or have you ever been a white …
     
    Had an interesting conversation with you my daughter about this yesterday; she was going off on how some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters (this is in a mostly white high school). I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    A less serious question (really only for those that aren’t Hitler fanbois); who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    For me it’s gotta be the guy who wore all black:
    https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Snake-Eyes-GI-Joe-Hama-Ninja-c.jpg

    Peace.

    ” … (this is in a mostly white high school).”

    No surprise.

    ” … the coolest White guy ever …”

    My answer is plural rather than singular: the U.S. Marines who engaged the tenacious and often fanatical Japanese enemy in relentlessly brutal and racialist combat across a series of islands in the Pacific during WWII.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Well, I have to say that this was one of my favorite movie introductions ever:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjLyz8OAj1s

    Peace.
  17. @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... (this is in a mostly white high school)."

    No surprise.

    " ... the coolest White guy ever ..."

    My answer is plural rather than singular: the U.S. Marines who engaged the tenacious and often fanatical Japanese enemy in relentlessly brutal and racialist combat across a series of islands in the Pacific during WWII.

    Well, I have to say that this was one of my favorite movie introductions ever:

    Peace.

  18. @res
    Not a Venn diagram, but this excerpt from the book Hillbillies, Rednecks, Crackers and White Trash gives a decent idea of how those terms (and more) relate: https://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=history_fac_pubs

    Your daughter's case is interesting. Given that she was not the target, what is your advice to her? Obviously, your original advice stands ("I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part."), but I mean how should she react to the situation she was in?

    My mother’s people were Okies who migrated to California in the 1930s during the Dust Bowl/Great Depression era. Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was “peckerwood.” Peckerwood is a variant of redneck and hillbilly.

    • Replies: @res
    Thanks. It's been a long time since I heard "peckerwood." I never really realized the actual meaning, just that it was derogatory.
    , @iffen
    Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was “peckerwood.”

    We used to use peckerwood the same way (1960's).

    Talha should watch John Ford's The Grapes of Wrath to get a good feel for the Okies. To Kill a Mockingbird would show him the contrast between white trash/rednecks and the educated white middle class. Of course, TKAM is set in the lower South, which is quite a bit different from hill country Appalachia, the piedmonts, Eastern TN, KY, WV, etc.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    My HS JV football coach was born and raised in Bakersfield. He has a southern accent.

    https://www.calhisports.com/2014/01/01/ed-croson-state-coach-of-the-year/
  19. @Talha

    Are you now or have you ever been a white …
     
    Had an interesting conversation with you my daughter about this yesterday; she was going off on how some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters (this is in a mostly white high school). I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    A less serious question (really only for those that aren’t Hitler fanbois); who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    For me it’s gotta be the guy who wore all black:
    https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Snake-Eyes-GI-Joe-Hama-Ninja-c.jpg

    Peace.

    Hillbillies live in the hills, and are generally quite poor.

    Rednecks are working class white guys who do redneck things. There are rich rednecks, poor rednecks, educated, uneducated, urban, rural.

    Every hillbilly is a redneck but most rednecks aren’t hillbillies.

    Picture this: the hillbilly is a dirt poor guy, covered in filth, wearing overalls, junk all over his yard, and maybe missing teeth. The redneck just got off work for the week, and is going to drive his boat up to the cottage to drink beer and go fishing.

    some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters

    Sad to hear this, but not surprised. The anti white brainwashing was severe in American schools when I checked 8 years ago. Can’t imagine it now.

    People will dispute this, but I find it kind of impressive that American whites are staying as conservative as they are, and even moving right despite the horrific indoctrination. It shows guts and a belief in the idea of the country (that unfortunately no longer exists).

    • Replies: @Talha
    Thanks for the insights on that question; the details are making the picture clearer. I figured HB was a subset, but this helps clarify the relationship.

    I agree it’s a sad situation in the high schools. I’m glad my daughter gets to be able to advocate for treating Whites like everyone else from a position where she might actually be listened to (by being ostensibly categorized as non-White).

    Peace.
    , @216
    The term redneck is closely associated with the Scots-Irish of Appalachia. Sometimes it is applied to other rural whites (Cajuns, Swamp Yankees). I rarely see rural whites from the Upper Midwest called rednecks. Rural whites from the "wet side" of the Pacific NW don't get this tag, but "dry siders" do, there are again ethnic/partisan differences.

    "Black rednecks" was the title of a Tom Sowell book, but they are not very common outside of the rural South. There are some Hispanic rednecks from the rural Southwest. Asian rednecks don't exist as anything more than an assimilated individual.

    The archetype of redneck is basically indissouble from rural life, an urban redneck has family ties to the rural area, and probably considers it his spiritual home.

    One other aspect of this identity is a strange useage of Native American imagery, and claims of exaggerated Amerind ancestry. Elizabeth Warren is probably the most famous example.

  20. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Hillbillies live in the hills, and are generally quite poor.

    Rednecks are working class white guys who do redneck things. There are rich rednecks, poor rednecks, educated, uneducated, urban, rural.

    Every hillbilly is a redneck but most rednecks aren't hillbillies.

    Picture this: the hillbilly is a dirt poor guy, covered in filth, wearing overalls, junk all over his yard, and maybe missing teeth. The redneck just got off work for the week, and is going to drive his boat up to the cottage to drink beer and go fishing.

    some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters

     

    Sad to hear this, but not surprised. The anti white brainwashing was severe in American schools when I checked 8 years ago. Can't imagine it now.

    People will dispute this, but I find it kind of impressive that American whites are staying as conservative as they are, and even moving right despite the horrific indoctrination. It shows guts and a belief in the idea of the country (that unfortunately no longer exists).

    Thanks for the insights on that question; the details are making the picture clearer. I figured HB was a subset, but this helps clarify the relationship.

    I agree it’s a sad situation in the high schools. I’m glad my daughter gets to be able to advocate for treating Whites like everyone else from a position where she might actually be listened to (by being ostensibly categorized as non-White).

    Peace.

  21. @SunBakedSuburb
    My mother's people were Okies who migrated to California in the 1930s during the Dust Bowl/Great Depression era. Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was "peckerwood." Peckerwood is a variant of redneck and hillbilly.

    Thanks. It’s been a long time since I heard “peckerwood.” I never really realized the actual meaning, just that it was derogatory.

    • Replies: @216
    Blacks seem rather fond of that slur. I've not known it to be used much by non-blacks regardless of its historical origins.

    There's also a black trope of alleging that rural whites are all inbreds, this would seem to clash with the reality of the black ghetto, where unknown half-siblings would seem much more common thanks to higher rates of illegitimacy.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Yellowhammer" is a derogatory term for rural whites who are thought to be inbred. Wilmington, IL - just a few miles from where I live, is the supposed origin of the term.
  22. @res
    Thanks. It's been a long time since I heard "peckerwood." I never really realized the actual meaning, just that it was derogatory.

    Blacks seem rather fond of that slur. I’ve not known it to be used much by non-blacks regardless of its historical origins.

    There’s also a black trope of alleging that rural whites are all inbreds, this would seem to clash with the reality of the black ghetto, where unknown half-siblings would seem much more common thanks to higher rates of illegitimacy.

  23. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Hillbillies live in the hills, and are generally quite poor.

    Rednecks are working class white guys who do redneck things. There are rich rednecks, poor rednecks, educated, uneducated, urban, rural.

    Every hillbilly is a redneck but most rednecks aren't hillbillies.

    Picture this: the hillbilly is a dirt poor guy, covered in filth, wearing overalls, junk all over his yard, and maybe missing teeth. The redneck just got off work for the week, and is going to drive his boat up to the cottage to drink beer and go fishing.

    some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters

     

    Sad to hear this, but not surprised. The anti white brainwashing was severe in American schools when I checked 8 years ago. Can't imagine it now.

    People will dispute this, but I find it kind of impressive that American whites are staying as conservative as they are, and even moving right despite the horrific indoctrination. It shows guts and a belief in the idea of the country (that unfortunately no longer exists).

    The term redneck is closely associated with the Scots-Irish of Appalachia. Sometimes it is applied to other rural whites (Cajuns, Swamp Yankees). I rarely see rural whites from the Upper Midwest called rednecks. Rural whites from the “wet side” of the Pacific NW don’t get this tag, but “dry siders” do, there are again ethnic/partisan differences.

    “Black rednecks” was the title of a Tom Sowell book, but they are not very common outside of the rural South. There are some Hispanic rednecks from the rural Southwest. Asian rednecks don’t exist as anything more than an assimilated individual.

    The archetype of redneck is basically indissouble from rural life, an urban redneck has family ties to the rural area, and probably considers it his spiritual home.

    One other aspect of this identity is a strange useage of Native American imagery, and claims of exaggerated Amerind ancestry. Elizabeth Warren is probably the most famous example.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    an urban redneck has family ties to the rural area, and probably considers it his spiritual home.
     
    Yeah basically. I spend as much time innawoods as I can (which isn't much).

    I rarely see rural whites from the Upper Midwest called rednecks
     
    Really? I'm surprised. Everyone in Canada refers to rural Canadians as rednecks, and rural Michiganders, Ohioans, even upstate New Yorkers.
    , @iffen
    Elizabeth Warren is probably the most famous example.

    Yeah, she's probably got the white and black redneck vote locked up because of this.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Black Rednecks, White Liberals was more broadly about how on social/behavioral issues, the spectrum goes white liberals as the most progressive, white conservatives in between, and blacks as most hidebound.
  24. @216
    The term redneck is closely associated with the Scots-Irish of Appalachia. Sometimes it is applied to other rural whites (Cajuns, Swamp Yankees). I rarely see rural whites from the Upper Midwest called rednecks. Rural whites from the "wet side" of the Pacific NW don't get this tag, but "dry siders" do, there are again ethnic/partisan differences.

    "Black rednecks" was the title of a Tom Sowell book, but they are not very common outside of the rural South. There are some Hispanic rednecks from the rural Southwest. Asian rednecks don't exist as anything more than an assimilated individual.

    The archetype of redneck is basically indissouble from rural life, an urban redneck has family ties to the rural area, and probably considers it his spiritual home.

    One other aspect of this identity is a strange useage of Native American imagery, and claims of exaggerated Amerind ancestry. Elizabeth Warren is probably the most famous example.

    an urban redneck has family ties to the rural area, and probably considers it his spiritual home.

    Yeah basically. I spend as much time innawoods as I can (which isn’t much).

    I rarely see rural whites from the Upper Midwest called rednecks

    Really? I’m surprised. Everyone in Canada refers to rural Canadians as rednecks, and rural Michiganders, Ohioans, even upstate New Yorkers.

  25. Owen Benjamin seems to understand real stuff:

    Seinfeld is the story of four anti social psychopaths without the laugh track

  26. Louisiana is an interesting case. #3 for percentage of blacks, when you count DC. Pretty high single motherhood too. But, perhaps critically, low education – #48 in terms of education.

    Maryland #2
    Vermont #4

    The college system is evil.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The David Duke curse, maybe.
  27. @Talha

    Are you now or have you ever been a white …
     
    Had an interesting conversation with you my daughter about this yesterday; she was going off on how some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters (this is in a mostly white high school). I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    A less serious question (really only for those that aren’t Hitler fanbois); who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    For me it’s gotta be the guy who wore all black:
    https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Snake-Eyes-GI-Joe-Hama-Ninja-c.jpg

    Peace.

    Hillbilly, redneck, cracker, hoosier … See David Hackett Fischer’s mighty tome Albion’s Seed.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Agree, though it's not a quick read!
  28. @songbird
    So, Maryland and Virginia are presumably just an extension of DC - that's interesting. But what does it represent? Media market? Bureaucrats? NGOs? Superzips?

    Obviously, Washington DC is a city, not a state (as AE surely knows) and if other major cities were ranked many would be right up there with it. Maryland, meanwhile, was always ‘up there’ and Virginia has tipped thanks to migration from northern states and especially from foreign countries.

    But yes, the suburban aspects of being adjacent to the nation’s capital are a major factor in both cases. Vermont and Oregon, of course, are full of ‘white liberals’.

    • Replies: @songbird
    A city by city comparison would be pretty interesting. I'm thinking there is some heavy linkage to higher education - maybe even a certain type of school.

    DC has 20 universities and colleges. Two of them, including Howard University, are historically black and have a combined enrollment of over 15,000.
  29. @216
    The term redneck is closely associated with the Scots-Irish of Appalachia. Sometimes it is applied to other rural whites (Cajuns, Swamp Yankees). I rarely see rural whites from the Upper Midwest called rednecks. Rural whites from the "wet side" of the Pacific NW don't get this tag, but "dry siders" do, there are again ethnic/partisan differences.

    "Black rednecks" was the title of a Tom Sowell book, but they are not very common outside of the rural South. There are some Hispanic rednecks from the rural Southwest. Asian rednecks don't exist as anything more than an assimilated individual.

    The archetype of redneck is basically indissouble from rural life, an urban redneck has family ties to the rural area, and probably considers it his spiritual home.

    One other aspect of this identity is a strange useage of Native American imagery, and claims of exaggerated Amerind ancestry. Elizabeth Warren is probably the most famous example.

    Elizabeth Warren is probably the most famous example.

    Yeah, she’s probably got the white and black redneck vote locked up because of this.

  30. @Talha

    Are you now or have you ever been a white …
     
    Had an interesting conversation with you my daughter about this yesterday; she was going off on how some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters (this is in a mostly white high school). I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    A less serious question (really only for those that aren’t Hitler fanbois); who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    For me it’s gotta be the guy who wore all black:
    https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Snake-Eyes-GI-Joe-Hama-Ninja-c.jpg

    Peace.

    who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    My vote would be for one of these two men:

    • Replies: @Talha
    Interesting choices. I guess if I had to pick a real guy, it’d have to be the Red Baron:
    https://www.centenarynews.com/media/uploads/tbldata_news/ohzmoopz4aua2vcjqpnu_thumb.jpg

    Peace.
  31. @SunBakedSuburb
    My mother's people were Okies who migrated to California in the 1930s during the Dust Bowl/Great Depression era. Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was "peckerwood." Peckerwood is a variant of redneck and hillbilly.

    Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was “peckerwood.”

    We used to use peckerwood the same way (1960’s).

    Talha should watch John Ford’s The Grapes of Wrath to get a good feel for the Okies. To Kill a Mockingbird would show him the contrast between white trash/rednecks and the educated white middle class. Of course, TKAM is set in the lower South, which is quite a bit different from hill country Appalachia, the piedmonts, Eastern TN, KY, WV, etc.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Haven’t read those books since high school. I saw a play about GOW once a while back.

    Peace.
    , @Logan
    TKAM, at least the book version, drew a very careful distinction between rednecks and white trash.

    The Ewells were white trash.

    If I remember right, the Cunninghams were the representative of the rednecks.

    The Ewells didn't work. They sneaked around, got drunk a lot, and mooched off others. Incest was implied. They were perfectly willing to stab little kids if pissed off enough.

    The Cunninghams might be equally poor, but were fiercely proud. They worked hard. Maybe they drank, but they didn't mooch. If they were forced to accept help from someone else, they'd pay it back some way come hell or high water. They might join a lynch mob but were susceptible to an appeal to their better nature.

    They were at bottom decent people. The Ewells were not.

    Of course, that's from a 40 year old memory, so I might be offbase.

  32. @Mr McKenna
    Obviously, Washington DC is a city, not a state (as AE surely knows) and if other major cities were ranked many would be right up there with it. Maryland, meanwhile, was always 'up there' and Virginia has tipped thanks to migration from northern states and especially from foreign countries.

    But yes, the suburban aspects of being adjacent to the nation's capital are a major factor in both cases. Vermont and Oregon, of course, are full of 'white liberals'.

    A city by city comparison would be pretty interesting. I’m thinking there is some heavy linkage to higher education – maybe even a certain type of school.

    DC has 20 universities and colleges. Two of them, including Howard University, are historically black and have a combined enrollment of over 15,000.

  33. @Twinkie

    who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?
     
    My vote would be for one of these two men:
    https://dailyarchives.org/images/skorzeny-suit.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/William_Joseph_Donovan_cph.3b17495.jpg

    Interesting choices. I guess if I had to pick a real guy, it’d have to be the Red Baron:

    Peace.

  34. @iffen
    Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was “peckerwood.”

    We used to use peckerwood the same way (1960's).

    Talha should watch John Ford's The Grapes of Wrath to get a good feel for the Okies. To Kill a Mockingbird would show him the contrast between white trash/rednecks and the educated white middle class. Of course, TKAM is set in the lower South, which is quite a bit different from hill country Appalachia, the piedmonts, Eastern TN, KY, WV, etc.

    Haven’t read those books since high school. I saw a play about GOW once a while back.

    Peace.

  35. WN or people making that transition aren’t going to search for “white supremacy” except maybe a little kid who is getting beat up at school and heard it on the news – using that phrase as a search term pretty much marks someone as an SJW.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  36. @Talha
    She has actually gotten into arguments with others in defending the idea that you simply cannot dismiss White peoples’ opinions because they are White. But she told me that many of these people cannot be reasoned with since their initial premise is that White peoples’ opinions don’t count. How does one challenge that? You cannot, unless you are able to get the other side to see they are basically being racist in the other direction.

    It’s a bit like how a Muslim deals with a charge of taqiyyah; you’re set up to lose since everything coming out of your mouth is a lie. Y definition. Best to just say “good day” look at your watch and move along.

    As I said, my advice to her is to not be ashamed of her European heritage just like with her Subcontinent heritage. And at the least don’t ever internalize the idea that her opinion doesn’t count. Can’t change the world but you can at least try to stand your ground and not let your mind be “colonized”.

    Peace.

    It’s a bit like how a Muslim deals with a charge of taqiyyah; you’re set up to lose since everything coming out of your mouth is a lie. Y definition

    Exactly. The conversation will not advance, and nothing of substance will come out of it. No meaningful discussion will be held. When you prove the information to them, the context in which things happened, the reason for it, the people who do it, etc etc…We return to the namecalling. Then they accuse you of practising taquiyya, even though you’ve tried to show them that it does not mean what they think it means. They already have a set view, which they do not plan to challenge, so they will use that against you in the end. Best not to argue with these people who screech “MUH TAQUIYA”, as they are not questioning you because of genuine curiosity, or because of legitimate criticism. They are doing so for purely malicious reasons. I know now that it is wise not to give them the attention they so desperately crave, so I merely ignore the comments which they make. Again, it’s a race to the bottom with these folks, and it is a pure waste of time, as they bring nothing to the discussion at hand.

    Regards

    • Replies: @Talha
    Yup. I’ve noticed the best thing to do is just roll with it and use it for some comedy in the conversation. The person is looking to get a rise from you and to get you to try to beg or plead with them to believe you, like you owe them something - what really pisses them off is the idea you don’t care if they think you’re a liar or want to eat their kids or take away their bacon.

    Another approach is to just work with them and let them vent; “Here, I’m going to set a timer for five minutes on my phone. I’m not going to say a thing - now, tell me everything you hate about Islam.”

    Then when the timer rings just say; “See, don’t you feel better now?” And then walk away.

    Wa salaam.
  37. “White supremacist” tends to be used in a derogatory sense in most parts of the US. Most anyone searching or researching the phrase online would be coming from that perspective. “White advocacy” is a different story. To the left and the minority equality industry, the idea of white advocacy is far more scary than actual white supremacy.Advocacy threatens to appeal to a very wide swath of white people as mythological ideas like white privilege or supremacy are promoted more and more as reality by the left. That’s why all white advocacy has to be labeled as “supremacy.”

    The “supremacy” thing could still backfire on the left, though. Derogatory phrases like “cowboy”, “hillbilly” and “redneck” eventually came to be embraced by the people they were meant to demean. Lot’s of examples of that in non-white cultures, as well.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  38. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The people most interested in "white supremacy" have never met anybody remotely close to one. Just like they have never met a black, or an illegal alien. They operate in completely white zones, and work with all goodwhites with some top level minorities mixed in.

    Until their lives get difficult, they will not change. Releasing aliens into their cities is a great start.

    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like “Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!” or some such. I have not.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone, and not have their productivity seized at gun point so it can be handed to the useless hordes of ungrateful vibrancy.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone
     
    Exactly; unfortunately they have absolutely no intention of leaving us alone, much less with our families, vocations, and property intact.

    This is why we must fight. The fight is being forced upon us.

    , @EastKekistani

    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like “Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!” or some such. I have not.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone, and not have their productivity seized at gun point so it can be handed to the useless hordes of ungrateful vibrancy.
     

    Maybe a few ethnoglobe supporters on 8chan /pol/, like less than 1000 people worldwide including about 5 on /pol/, that is, they are irrelevant because they don't actually have the ability to impose their will on the world partly due to the fact that China and NK have nukes and Japan almost has nukes anyway.

    Hence in general "white supremacism" is just a propaganda term.

    , @Twinkie

    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like “Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!” or some such. I have not.
     
    It doesn’t require a desire for conquest to be a white supremacist, merely a belief that whites are superior to nonwhites.

    I agree, though, that there is a difference between preference and belief in superiority.
  39. @SunBakedSuburb
    My mother's people were Okies who migrated to California in the 1930s during the Dust Bowl/Great Depression era. Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was "peckerwood." Peckerwood is a variant of redneck and hillbilly.

    My HS JV football coach was born and raised in Bakersfield. He has a southern accent.

    https://www.calhisports.com/2014/01/01/ed-croson-state-coach-of-the-year/

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Similarly, both of my parents were born and raised in the same (southern) state and one of them never had a trace of an accent and the other one does to this day. Point being: it's more cultural than geographical.
  40. @res
    Thanks. It's been a long time since I heard "peckerwood." I never really realized the actual meaning, just that it was derogatory.

    “Yellowhammer” is a derogatory term for rural whites who are thought to be inbred. Wilmington, IL – just a few miles from where I live, is the supposed origin of the term.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Wilmington, IL – just a few miles from where I live, is the supposed origin of the term.
     
    Sounds like it should be a UNESCO World Heritage site
    , @res
    Interesting. Urban dictionary gives your definition: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yellowhammer

    But this page associates it with Alabama: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_nicknames
  41. @BengaliCanadianDude

    It’s a bit like how a Muslim deals with a charge of taqiyyah; you’re set up to lose since everything coming out of your mouth is a lie. Y definition
     
    Exactly. The conversation will not advance, and nothing of substance will come out of it. No meaningful discussion will be held. When you prove the information to them, the context in which things happened, the reason for it, the people who do it, etc etc...We return to the namecalling. Then they accuse you of practising taquiyya, even though you've tried to show them that it does not mean what they think it means. They already have a set view, which they do not plan to challenge, so they will use that against you in the end. Best not to argue with these people who screech "MUH TAQUIYA", as they are not questioning you because of genuine curiosity, or because of legitimate criticism. They are doing so for purely malicious reasons. I know now that it is wise not to give them the attention they so desperately crave, so I merely ignore the comments which they make. Again, it's a race to the bottom with these folks, and it is a pure waste of time, as they bring nothing to the discussion at hand.


    Regards

    Yup. I’ve noticed the best thing to do is just roll with it and use it for some comedy in the conversation. The person is looking to get a rise from you and to get you to try to beg or plead with them to believe you, like you owe them something – what really pisses them off is the idea you don’t care if they think you’re a liar or want to eat their kids or take away their bacon.

    Another approach is to just work with them and let them vent; “Here, I’m going to set a timer for five minutes on my phone. I’m not going to say a thing – now, tell me everything you hate about Islam.”

    Then when the timer rings just say; “See, don’t you feel better now?” And then walk away.

    Wa salaam.

  42. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Yellowhammer" is a derogatory term for rural whites who are thought to be inbred. Wilmington, IL - just a few miles from where I live, is the supposed origin of the term.

    Wilmington, IL – just a few miles from where I live, is the supposed origin of the term.

    Sounds like it should be a UNESCO World Heritage site

    • LOL: Talha
  43. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Yellowhammer" is a derogatory term for rural whites who are thought to be inbred. Wilmington, IL - just a few miles from where I live, is the supposed origin of the term.

    Interesting. Urban dictionary gives your definition: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yellowhammer

    But this page associates it with Alabama: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_nicknames

  44. @MikeatMikedotMike
    My HS JV football coach was born and raised in Bakersfield. He has a southern accent.

    https://www.calhisports.com/2014/01/01/ed-croson-state-coach-of-the-year/

    Similarly, both of my parents were born and raised in the same (southern) state and one of them never had a trace of an accent and the other one does to this day. Point being: it’s more cultural than geographical.

  45. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like "Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!" or some such. I have not.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don't want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone, and not have their productivity seized at gun point so it can be handed to the useless hordes of ungrateful vibrancy.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone

    Exactly; unfortunately they have absolutely no intention of leaving us alone, much less with our families, vocations, and property intact.

    This is why we must fight. The fight is being forced upon us.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yeah, I dont think most "white advocates" have hatred in their heart. But we're seeing the reality - wake up or go extinct - and it's being pushed by a certain group of people, aided by their 3rd world puppets.

    So we do need to do something, not out of hatred but of love for our own people and descendants.

    And to answer Mike: no, I don't think white supremacists are even real people now. There might be 15 in the country. I don't think white people are inherently better, I just want to live with my own kind.
    , @Logan
    'It needs but one foe to breed a war, not two, Master Warden,' answered Éowyn. 'And those who have not swords can still die upon them."
    , @Marty T
    Absolutely. And those that think the modern left will be defeated or will go away without any force or violence are also delusional.
  46. @Mr McKenna

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone
     
    Exactly; unfortunately they have absolutely no intention of leaving us alone, much less with our families, vocations, and property intact.

    This is why we must fight. The fight is being forced upon us.

    Yeah, I dont think most “white advocates” have hatred in their heart. But we’re seeing the reality – wake up or go extinct – and it’s being pushed by a certain group of people, aided by their 3rd world puppets.

    So we do need to do something, not out of hatred but of love for our own people and descendants.

    And to answer Mike: no, I don’t think white supremacists are even real people now. There might be 15 in the country. I don’t think white people are inherently better, I just want to live with my own kind.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I'm even feebler than that--self-determination would be perfectly sufficient for me.
  47. @iffen
    Their term of derision for others in their group that they disapproved of was “peckerwood.”

    We used to use peckerwood the same way (1960's).

    Talha should watch John Ford's The Grapes of Wrath to get a good feel for the Okies. To Kill a Mockingbird would show him the contrast between white trash/rednecks and the educated white middle class. Of course, TKAM is set in the lower South, which is quite a bit different from hill country Appalachia, the piedmonts, Eastern TN, KY, WV, etc.

    TKAM, at least the book version, drew a very careful distinction between rednecks and white trash.

    The Ewells were white trash.

    If I remember right, the Cunninghams were the representative of the rednecks.

    The Ewells didn’t work. They sneaked around, got drunk a lot, and mooched off others. Incest was implied. They were perfectly willing to stab little kids if pissed off enough.

    The Cunninghams might be equally poor, but were fiercely proud. They worked hard. Maybe they drank, but they didn’t mooch. If they were forced to accept help from someone else, they’d pay it back some way come hell or high water. They might join a lynch mob but were susceptible to an appeal to their better nature.

    They were at bottom decent people. The Ewells were not.

    Of course, that’s from a 40 year old memory, so I might be offbase.

    • Replies: @iffen
    drew a very careful distinction between rednecks and white trash.

    Rednecks are pretty careful about that as well. The writer wasn’t a redneck, but she obviously knew one when she met one.

    In the film, Cunningham, Jr., is a bit ambiguous as to which class he belongs. I realized at Talha’s reply that I had never read TKAM. That is something which I am going to rectify. I still have my paperback TGOW which I am sure would crumble and fall apart if I opened the pages. From my first reading of Steinbeck, I have considered him as one of the greatest American writers. In my mind, Of Mice and Men is as good as The Old Man and the Sea. (This makes me want to go and re-read them both.)

  48. @Mr McKenna

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone
     
    Exactly; unfortunately they have absolutely no intention of leaving us alone, much less with our families, vocations, and property intact.

    This is why we must fight. The fight is being forced upon us.

    ‘It needs but one foe to breed a war, not two, Master Warden,’ answered Éowyn. ‘And those who have not swords can still die upon them.”

  49. @Logan
    TKAM, at least the book version, drew a very careful distinction between rednecks and white trash.

    The Ewells were white trash.

    If I remember right, the Cunninghams were the representative of the rednecks.

    The Ewells didn't work. They sneaked around, got drunk a lot, and mooched off others. Incest was implied. They were perfectly willing to stab little kids if pissed off enough.

    The Cunninghams might be equally poor, but were fiercely proud. They worked hard. Maybe they drank, but they didn't mooch. If they were forced to accept help from someone else, they'd pay it back some way come hell or high water. They might join a lynch mob but were susceptible to an appeal to their better nature.

    They were at bottom decent people. The Ewells were not.

    Of course, that's from a 40 year old memory, so I might be offbase.

    drew a very careful distinction between rednecks and white trash.

    Rednecks are pretty careful about that as well. The writer wasn’t a redneck, but she obviously knew one when she met one.

    In the film, Cunningham, Jr., is a bit ambiguous as to which class he belongs. I realized at Talha’s reply that I had never read TKAM. That is something which I am going to rectify. I still have my paperback TGOW which I am sure would crumble and fall apart if I opened the pages. From my first reading of Steinbeck, I have considered him as one of the greatest American writers. In my mind, Of Mice and Men is as good as The Old Man and the Sea. (This makes me want to go and re-read them both.)

    • Replies: @Talha
    Read all of those too. You know, it's funny - in high school I actually read all of the books we were assigned even the stupid "Madame Bovary". All of my friends spent money on Cliff's Notes and other ways to get around reading the material. I always felt they missed out on some great stuff (except for "Madame Bovary", waste of time).

    Peace.
  50. Ok. I have read through this several times. And I am not sure the contend that is being made here.

    That some states have people who search about the issue more than some other states. That doesn’t in itself tell us why. It remind me of the constant complaint that I don’t know what net result or per capita is because, I reject the conclusions. I have had to two courses in stats. And no one who isn’t constantly in the field of statistical analysis should ignore the multiple pitfalls of said applications. And it is not uncommon for those who engage in these studies to express their own caution about what their analysis says. At any rate, I did some review and concluded, that I am very familiar with per capita proportional analytics. But in the review I watched a commentary by the author of a series of children’s books made into movies. She explained per capita as it related to males to females, white males to black males and crime. The math was pretty straightforward. But in the end what she concluded was just the kind of leap in logic was in all ways a nonsequitor. Blacks are over representative as by their population in crime — therefore (in essence) blacks are at fault more than whites as blacks are more likely to commit more crime than whites. Abbreviated version.

    A proportional assessment does not explain why. Skin color has nothing to do with criminal behavior. Proportional assessments do explain causes. What we do know is that whites and blacks commit crime. There is not standard equation that any population by skin color has any assigned unit of crime tend. The conclusion was just jarring and made no sense.

    What we do know is that before blacks in large numbers inhabited London nearly all crime was committed by whites. By her logic and that commonly used in this scenario — whites are 100% more likely to be the actors in criminal activity — therefore, hold whites suspect by skin color. That is just not what proportionality tells us.

    Short cutting the data by making links which are at best superficial in this manner has what has been used by 100 million voices to castrate the 43 million, en masse. That is not something I can condone not should anyone concerned about cause and effect or ethics.

    So in this data set, I am unclear what it is I am supposed to take away from the comparisons. No one thing follows from the other here, for me.

    Maybe most people already have an established view of what “white supremacy” and “nationalism”.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Trends compares specific search terms relative to the total number of searches in the same geographic vicinity. So the figures are based on relative rates that are the same across states.
  51. @iffen
    drew a very careful distinction between rednecks and white trash.

    Rednecks are pretty careful about that as well. The writer wasn’t a redneck, but she obviously knew one when she met one.

    In the film, Cunningham, Jr., is a bit ambiguous as to which class he belongs. I realized at Talha’s reply that I had never read TKAM. That is something which I am going to rectify. I still have my paperback TGOW which I am sure would crumble and fall apart if I opened the pages. From my first reading of Steinbeck, I have considered him as one of the greatest American writers. In my mind, Of Mice and Men is as good as The Old Man and the Sea. (This makes me want to go and re-read them both.)

    Read all of those too. You know, it’s funny – in high school I actually read all of the books we were assigned even the stupid “Madame Bovary”. All of my friends spent money on Cliff’s Notes and other ways to get around reading the material. I always felt they missed out on some great stuff (except for “Madame Bovary”, waste of time).

    Peace.

  52. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like "Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!" or some such. I have not.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don't want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone, and not have their productivity seized at gun point so it can be handed to the useless hordes of ungrateful vibrancy.

    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like “Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!” or some such. I have not.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone, and not have their productivity seized at gun point so it can be handed to the useless hordes of ungrateful vibrancy.

    Maybe a few ethnoglobe supporters on 8chan /pol/, like less than 1000 people worldwide including about 5 on /pol/, that is, they are irrelevant because they don’t actually have the ability to impose their will on the world partly due to the fact that China and NK have nukes and Japan almost has nukes anyway.

    Hence in general “white supremacism” is just a propaganda term.

  53. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The people most interested in "white supremacy" have never met anybody remotely close to one. Just like they have never met a black, or an illegal alien. They operate in completely white zones, and work with all goodwhites with some top level minorities mixed in.

    Until their lives get difficult, they will not change. Releasing aliens into their cities is a great start.

    “The people most interested in “white supremacy” have never met anybody remotely close to one. Just like they have never met a black, or an illegal alien. They operate in completely white zones, and work with all goodwhites with some top level minorities mixed in. ”

    Actually, our elite centers in the Northeast and West Coast now have quite a few non-whites; and furthermore, the mid-Atlantic has a pretty large black upper class population. I’ve noticed that in the Trump era, a lot of journalists now have Asian/Sub-Continental/Middle Eastern surnames. In all likelihood, many upper class POC are genuinely terrified that white Middle Americans are building some kind fascist movement to restore this country to pre-1980 demographics. They’ve been conditioned to think that everything they’ve gained is greatly resented by blue collar whites who’ve seen their status and reputation take a major hit over the last 40 years.

    Note that blacks in Middle America aren’t as gullible as elites are. In 2nd and 3rd tier metro areas, both whites and blacks realize that neo-liberals sold America out decades ago. Blacks in these areas are just as likely to nod along with the sentiment that rich assholes have destroyed this country as they are to agree that white people are, to this day, abusing racial priviledge. It is elite “minorities” who are constantly emphasizing racial issues while ignoring class issues (e.g., desperately trying to hide the fact that what’s really changed in America, for the worse, is the career prospects of 50-70% of Americans, ever since Carter and Reagan vowed to take America out of the New Deal and it’s economic fairness). Notice also that stories about declining “white America” generally ignore the fact that the working class of all races has seen it’s fortunes decline dramatically since the late 70’s, regardless of the EEOC demanding that non-whites be hired by larger companies.

    America’s racial demographics have changed so dramatically over the last 30 years that the days of “elite” meaning “white” are long gone. Boomers and Gen X-ers grew up in pre-1990 America, when “the suburbs” were generally code word for white and affluent. Millennials and Gen Z, however, have grown up in an America where only small towns are monolithically white, and the suburbs have become a very economically and racially mixed beast.

  54. @Talha

    Are you now or have you ever been a white …
     
    Had an interesting conversation with you my daughter about this yesterday; she was going off on how some kids in her high school think Whites shouldn’t be allowed to opine on some matters (this is in a mostly white high school). I told her to stand her ground and never let anyone say she has no voice due to her background including the White part.

    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    A less serious question (really only for those that aren’t Hitler fanbois); who is the coolest White guy ever (in real life or fiction)?

    For me it’s gotta be the guy who wore all black:
    https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Snake-Eyes-GI-Joe-Hama-Ninja-c.jpg

    Peace.

    Hillbilly has declined in usage, but I was always under the impression that it referred to Scots-Irish people from Appalachia and the Ozarks (ya know, the kind of people who engaged in clan rivalries lasting decades). Whereas “redneck” is used both derisively and affectionately, and typically refers to someone who either grew up in rural America, or grew up in the suburbs but has very prolish tastes and attitudes. Some “rednecks” move to a nice suburb or the city and adopt a sophisticated affect, which allows them to “escape” their origins.

    I’ve noticed that working class people (in either job or mindset) who grew up in small towns and downscale suburbs tend to be thought of as “rednecks” by urbanites, and generally never quite try and escape that image. Evangelical Christianity, and Anglo-Teutonic-Celtic ancestry also tend to be associated with the “redneck” image, since Catholic Americans are mostly not involved in Religious Right sub-cultures, while elite whites generally don’t make religion the focus of their life. Here in Minnesota, once you get past the 2nd ring suburbs of Minneapolis/St. Paul, you can count on seeing pro-life billboards on the highway.

  55. Now I have been around a while. And while it may be a quaint turn by younger generations. And while I can certainly understand the desire to distance oneself from the “supremacy” of days gone by. It’s not going to as easy as some hop skip and jump around the issue of power dominance to social construction as that’s not what it means.

    White supremacy is not expressed in the terms as commented in polite society. It’s always couched in language that is acceptable but intended as a power play.

  56. O/T

    Some good news today:

    AOC quits Facebook

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/15/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-quits-facebook-calls-social-media-public-health-risk/

    The rest of us should follow the Bronx commie out of Zuckstan.

  57. If you are still on Big Social, light her up.

    Hit the report button over and over.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Apparently everyone is getting in on the opportunism action:
    https://twitter.com/malscrung/status/1118086989507694592

    Peace.
  58. @songbird
    So, Maryland and Virginia are presumably just an extension of DC - that's interesting. But what does it represent? Media market? Bureaucrats? NGOs? Superzips?

    Yes.

  59. @iffen
    A serious question; what’s the difference between a Hillbilly and a Redneck? I always thought they were the same thing, but is one a subset of the other?

    Hmm … that might be one of those situations where you have to be one or the other to know the difference. I doubt that the ethnic whites in Detroit in the 40’s and 50’s could tell the difference among the “immigrants.”

    I would say that a hillbilly requires an actual geographic connection to the mountains, whereas a redneck could be from any location. Unrestrained generalizing leads me to say that the probability that a hillbilly would also be a redneck is high, while the probability that a given redneck is an actual hillbilly is low. When I was young, we (rednecks and those trying to get away from redneckery? reckneckness?) would distance ourselves from actual hillbillies. We used to call them ridge runners as a derogatory term.

    Maybe your daughter could say that she is speaking as an individual. (Wait! Can't she just play her Muslim card?)

    It’s mostly already been said, but hillbilly has a general geographic connotation that redneck does not.

    Country is redneck music.

    Hillbilly music is more distinct. This was once described to me as “hillbilly soul” (all of you thought I’d link to dueling banjos in Deliverance but I didn’t!).

  60. @216
    The term redneck is closely associated with the Scots-Irish of Appalachia. Sometimes it is applied to other rural whites (Cajuns, Swamp Yankees). I rarely see rural whites from the Upper Midwest called rednecks. Rural whites from the "wet side" of the Pacific NW don't get this tag, but "dry siders" do, there are again ethnic/partisan differences.

    "Black rednecks" was the title of a Tom Sowell book, but they are not very common outside of the rural South. There are some Hispanic rednecks from the rural Southwest. Asian rednecks don't exist as anything more than an assimilated individual.

    The archetype of redneck is basically indissouble from rural life, an urban redneck has family ties to the rural area, and probably considers it his spiritual home.

    One other aspect of this identity is a strange useage of Native American imagery, and claims of exaggerated Amerind ancestry. Elizabeth Warren is probably the most famous example.

    Black Rednecks, White Liberals was more broadly about how on social/behavioral issues, the spectrum goes white liberals as the most progressive, white conservatives in between, and blacks as most hidebound.

  61. @songbird
    Louisiana is an interesting case. #3 for percentage of blacks, when you count DC. Pretty high single motherhood too. But, perhaps critically, low education - #48 in terms of education.

    Maryland #2
    Vermont #4

    The college system is evil.

    The David Duke curse, maybe.

  62. @Ancient Briton
    Hillbilly, redneck, cracker, hoosier ... See David Hackett Fischer's mighty tome Albion's Seed.

    Agree, though it’s not a quick read!

  63. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yeah, I dont think most "white advocates" have hatred in their heart. But we're seeing the reality - wake up or go extinct - and it's being pushed by a certain group of people, aided by their 3rd world puppets.

    So we do need to do something, not out of hatred but of love for our own people and descendants.

    And to answer Mike: no, I don't think white supremacists are even real people now. There might be 15 in the country. I don't think white people are inherently better, I just want to live with my own kind.

    I’m even feebler than that–self-determination would be perfectly sufficient for me.

  64. @EliteCommInc.
    Ok. I have read through this several times. And I am not sure the contend that is being made here.

    That some states have people who search about the issue more than some other states. That doesn't in itself tell us why. It remind me of the constant complaint that I don't know what net result or per capita is because, I reject the conclusions. I have had to two courses in stats. And no one who isn't constantly in the field of statistical analysis should ignore the multiple pitfalls of said applications. And it is not uncommon for those who engage in these studies to express their own caution about what their analysis says. At any rate, I did some review and concluded, that I am very familiar with per capita proportional analytics. But in the review I watched a commentary by the author of a series of children's books made into movies. She explained per capita as it related to males to females, white males to black males and crime. The math was pretty straightforward. But in the end what she concluded was just the kind of leap in logic was in all ways a nonsequitor. Blacks are over representative as by their population in crime -- therefore (in essence) blacks are at fault more than whites as blacks are more likely to commit more crime than whites. Abbreviated version.

    A proportional assessment does not explain why. Skin color has nothing to do with criminal behavior. Proportional assessments do explain causes. What we do know is that whites and blacks commit crime. There is not standard equation that any population by skin color has any assigned unit of crime tend. The conclusion was just jarring and made no sense.

    What we do know is that before blacks in large numbers inhabited London nearly all crime was committed by whites. By her logic and that commonly used in this scenario -- whites are 100% more likely to be the actors in criminal activity -- therefore, hold whites suspect by skin color. That is just not what proportionality tells us.

    Short cutting the data by making links which are at best superficial in this manner has what has been used by 100 million voices to castrate the 43 million, en masse. That is not something I can condone not should anyone concerned about cause and effect or ethics.


    So in this data set, I am unclear what it is I am supposed to take away from the comparisons. No one thing follows from the other here, for me.


    Maybe most people already have an established view of what "white supremacy" and "nationalism".

    Trends compares specific search terms relative to the total number of searches in the same geographic vicinity. So the figures are based on relative rates that are the same across states.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    No. I understand that. I am wondering your intention. And my comment is not negative or sideways accusatory.

    It's obvious to me why the DC area has high rate of searches.
  65. Cultural Appropriation

  66. @Mr McKenna

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don’t want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone
     
    Exactly; unfortunately they have absolutely no intention of leaving us alone, much less with our families, vocations, and property intact.

    This is why we must fight. The fight is being forced upon us.

    Absolutely. And those that think the modern left will be defeated or will go away without any force or violence are also delusional.

    • Agree: Meretricious
  67. 3157726

    mud people

    Uh-oh, you might want to tape your hand.

    And those that think the modern left will be defeated or will go away without any force or violence are also delusional.

    You will be unable to convince millions of people that liberal democracy won’t eventually work, and even if it becomes obvious that it will not work, you will be unable to persuade most people to use violence to enforce their different political views.

    • Replies: @Talha

    you will be unable to persuade most people to use violence to enforce their different political views
     
    This is actually a simple experiment to do, try to convince 5 close family members (parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc.) of this position (you know, the people you are literally related to and have your same blood). Like literally convince them it is OK to gun down or arbitrarily arrest people with Leftist views that have not broken any laws...and let us know how it goes.

    Peace.
  68. @iffen
    mud people

    Uh-oh, you might want to tape your hand.

    And those that think the modern left will be defeated or will go away without any force or violence are also delusional.

    You will be unable to convince millions of people that liberal democracy won't eventually work, and even if it becomes obvious that it will not work, you will be unable to persuade most people to use violence to enforce their different political views.

    you will be unable to persuade most people to use violence to enforce their different political views

    This is actually a simple experiment to do, try to convince 5 close family members (parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc.) of this position (you know, the people you are literally related to and have your same blood). Like literally convince them it is OK to gun down or arbitrarily arrest people with Leftist views that have not broken any laws…and let us know how it goes.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Logan
    Not really an issue for most now. But things can deteriorate quickly. Constantly intensifying rhetoric is not likely to end well.
  69. @216
    https://twitter.com/garamchaiii/status/1117911132226772994

    If you are still on Big Social, light her up.

    Hit the report button over and over.

    Apparently everyone is getting in on the opportunism action:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    For my part, my daughter just received the results of her French bilingual test and did really well (mahaAllah) and will be able to officially claim being bilingual in French. It's sad, we've always wanted to take a tour of France in due time; the marvelous cathedral was going to be one of our stopping points.
  70. @Talha
    Apparently everyone is getting in on the opportunism action:
    https://twitter.com/malscrung/status/1118086989507694592

    Peace.

    For my part, my daughter just received the results of her French bilingual test and did really well (mahaAllah) and will be able to officially claim being bilingual in French. It’s sad, we’ve always wanted to take a tour of France in due time; the marvelous cathedral was going to be one of our stopping points.

  71. The concept of original sin as originated by St Augustine is, and should be, alive and well. His idea wasn’t that we’re born culpable but that we’re born with antisocial instincts. He uses the example of a baby just a few months old clearly showing signs of jealousy at having to share his nursemaid with a newly adopted foster child.

    Augustine also dwells on his own experience stealing pears from a walled garden with friends. He didn’t want the pears, he just wanted to break the rules. He thinks he probably wouldn’t have done it without his friends.

    His point is, there’s selfishness inside us, there’s a desire to break rules and to do so in groups, it’s part of who we are, especially when we’re young. We didn’t evolve — or weren’t created — to be morally perfect like ants are, responding to the pheromones predictably 99.999% of the time.

    E. O. Wilson believes this innately “sinful” condition is explained by group selection and the tension in each human brain between in-group competition and between-group competition. There need to be forces in human psychology maintaining in-group compliance, but a failure to break rules some of the time would result in a failure to explore valuable social probability space. So there need to be forces in human psychology towards noncompliance with group standards. That’s how we aren’t out-innovated by neighboring tribes.

    Whatever you call it, the concept of original sin is adaptive. We’d be dead without selfishness and we’d be dead — might soon be — without a strong community.

  72. @Talha

    you will be unable to persuade most people to use violence to enforce their different political views
     
    This is actually a simple experiment to do, try to convince 5 close family members (parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc.) of this position (you know, the people you are literally related to and have your same blood). Like literally convince them it is OK to gun down or arbitrarily arrest people with Leftist views that have not broken any laws...and let us know how it goes.

    Peace.

    Not really an issue for most now. But things can deteriorate quickly. Constantly intensifying rhetoric is not likely to end well.

    • Replies: @Talha

    Constantly intensifying rhetoric is not likely to end well.
     
    Agreed - the Left needs to be doing some backing off.

    De-escalation is a lost art.

    Peace.
  73. @Logan
    Not really an issue for most now. But things can deteriorate quickly. Constantly intensifying rhetoric is not likely to end well.

    Constantly intensifying rhetoric is not likely to end well.

    Agreed – the Left needs to be doing some backing off.

    De-escalation is a lost art.

    Peace.

  74. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like "Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!" or some such. I have not.

    Even the most hard line separatists here at Unz are just that: separatists. They don't want to rule over anyone else, they just want to be left the hell alone, and not have their productivity seized at gun point so it can be handed to the useless hordes of ungrateful vibrancy.

    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like “Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!” or some such. I have not.

    It doesn’t require a desire for conquest to be a white supremacist, merely a belief that whites are superior to nonwhites.

    I agree, though, that there is a difference between preference and belief in superiority.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "merely a belief that whites are superior to nonwhites."

    No, it requires more than belief. It requires action as well. Otherwise all it amounts to is preference.
  75. @Audacious Epigone
    Trends compares specific search terms relative to the total number of searches in the same geographic vicinity. So the figures are based on relative rates that are the same across states.

    No. I understand that. I am wondering your intention. And my comment is not negative or sideways accusatory.

    It’s obvious to me why the DC area has high rate of searches.

  76. @Twinkie

    Has anyone here actually ever even known or met or heard about an actual white supremacist? I mean an individual that actually goes around stating things like “Whites have a moral and natural right to reign supreme over all other races!” or some such. I have not.
     
    It doesn’t require a desire for conquest to be a white supremacist, merely a belief that whites are superior to nonwhites.

    I agree, though, that there is a difference between preference and belief in superiority.

    “merely a belief that whites are superior to nonwhites.”

    No, it requires more than belief. It requires action as well. Otherwise all it amounts to is preference.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    No, it requires more than belief. It requires action as well. Otherwise all it amounts to is preference.
     
    By that logic, the only communists are people who are engaging in action to topple existing governments and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat. But, of course, you know that there are many more communists in real life who adhere to or support (intellectually) communist ideologies and even profess to be communists.

    By “preference,” I meant people who simply prefer to associate with (live among, work with, etc.) whites rather than those who believe that whites are superior to other races or perhaps even that being white makes one inherently superior to a nonwhite person.

    If you believe the latter, you ARE a white supremacist, and no amount of “But I’m not doing anything about it” is going to alter what’s in your conscience. And if that’s what you believe, you should own up to it and expose it to debate here where you can do so in relative safety and anonymity, instead of hiding behind other labels.
  77. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "merely a belief that whites are superior to nonwhites."

    No, it requires more than belief. It requires action as well. Otherwise all it amounts to is preference.

    No, it requires more than belief. It requires action as well. Otherwise all it amounts to is preference.

    By that logic, the only communists are people who are engaging in action to topple existing governments and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat. But, of course, you know that there are many more communists in real life who adhere to or support (intellectually) communist ideologies and even profess to be communists.

    By “preference,” I meant people who simply prefer to associate with (live among, work with, etc.) whites rather than those who believe that whites are superior to other races or perhaps even that being white makes one inherently superior to a nonwhite person.

    If you believe the latter, you ARE a white supremacist, and no amount of “But I’m not doing anything about it” is going to alter what’s in your conscience. And if that’s what you believe, you should own up to it and expose it to debate here where you can do so in relative safety and anonymity, instead of hiding behind other labels.

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