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Things I am not:

  • A white supremacist, defined by Merriam’s as “a person who believes that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races”.
  • A white nationalist, defined as “one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation”. Parenthetically, given this definition Facebook’s ban on advocating white nationalism along with its pre-existing ban on advocating white supremacy is consistent.
  • A fascist, fascism being defined as “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”.

Things I am:

  • An empiricist, empiricism being defined as “the practice of relying on observation and experiment especially in the natural sciences”.
  • A free speech near-absolutist. If a perspective does not advocate illegality and is not dehumanizing, it should be given a hearing. If it is not given a hearing, its proponents will often find another way of expressing it. Life is not a video game*. Violence is not golden. War is not glorious, war is hell. I fully support all efforts to avoid violence. Sheath the “s”–I want words, not swords. Engagement does not indicate endorsement, it indicates an open and critical mind. This pertains to both what I write and to the comments others post here.

As I’ve gotten older, it has become increasingly clear to me that my comprehension of the amount I don’t know grows incessantly faster than things I am certain that I do know. I personally withdraw any and all previous assertions made here over the years that do not rest on sound empirical foundations even though all that has been written since the blog’s inception in 2005 remains at the Unz Review as content I do not have ownership of.

Also, while I’ve voluntarily handed out literature and talked to people about various political campaigns, I’ve never been an official part of any political campaign nor have I ever received payments of any kind for helping any political campaign.

As I am not a public figure in the legal definition of the term, any media portrayals contrary to what has been outlined above are to be considered legal grounds for libel and/or slander against a private person. We could all stand to learn a thing or two from Nick Sandmann.

* If simulations are possible, we are almost certainly in one, because if they are possible then there should effectively be an infinite number of simulations–and simulations within simulations–underway at any given time. Thus the chance that our existence is the single exception in an endless sea of simulations is infinitesimally small. But even if we are in a simulation, no one has convincingly broken through the fourth dimension to prove that it is so and thus no one should act as though he is in a simulation.

 
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  1. As I am not a public figure in the legal definition of the term, any media portrayals contrary to what has been outlined above are to be considered legal grounds for libel and/or slander against a private person.

    For this to work, you’d probably have to use your real name.

  2. In the real world, white nationalists want normal white people to flourish securely in their own countries, so this make white nationalism a kind of pro-white humanism.

    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    • Replies: @iffen
    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites. Reality and history defeat this assertion.

    More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism.

    , @EastKekistani

    In the real world, white nationalists want normal white people to flourish securely in their own countries, so this make white nationalism a kind of pro-white humanism.

    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.
     
    White Nationalism is as legitimate as NE Asian nationalism. Hence it is inherently legitimate.
  3. You had me until the “simulations” part. 🙂

  4. In a society increasingly devoid of reliable data

    Perhaps the data are increasingly devoid of a reliable society.

    I personally withdraw any and all previous assertions made here over the years that do not rest on sound empirical foundations

    Ditto.

    I like it. I’ve always taken this view. I just didn’t know that we could do it officially.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  5. @advancedatheist
    In the real world, white nationalists want normal white people to flourish securely in their own countries, so this make white nationalism a kind of pro-white humanism.

    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites. Reality and history defeat this assertion.

    More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites."

    Actually, you are assigning that assertion with your own false premise. The fundamental issue is that whites should be allowed to separate themselves if they choose to do so. Yeah, whites can flourish among non whites, as long as those non whites make up a very small percentage of the total population, <15%, and not the 35% (and increasing rapidly) the US currently stands at.

    Based on that, reality and history support my premise much better than they support yours.


    "More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism."

    LOL - This is like reading a suicide note. Here are some of your fellow Americans:

    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1439,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492121667/articles/2015/11/20/is-this-the-monster-who-gunned-down-a-chicago-9-year-old/151119-daly-chicago-tease_t0k0rj

    http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/05/Minneapolis-Somali-Muslims-protest-ap-640x480.jpg

    https://s274.photobucket.com/user/Raskal402/media/SURENOS.jpg.html


    At least the blacks, Jews, Chinese, mestizos, arabs, etc. stick together. Half the whites here who have an understanding of the coming collapse STILL insist on mindless virtue signaling, as well as rejecting the idea of freedom of association. Better dead than rude, and dead you will be.
    , @Meretricious
    Totally agree. But at the same time, in any sane society negroes would probably pay a surcharge to rent cars, among other things.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6917989/Drinking-speeding-contributed-couples-fatal-car-crash-Dominican-Republic.html
  6. Thanks for the clarifications, quite useful to know.

    Peace.

  7. As for me, and my ideology, well, friends, I am nothing short of blood kin to the grizzer that bit Jim Bridger on the ass.

    And YOU [multiculturalism] are molesting my hunt!

  8. As I’ve gotten older, it has become increasingly clear to me that my comprehension of the amount I don’t know grows incessantly faster than things I am certain that I do know.

    Found somewhere, words to the effect of “the larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder.”

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  9. I see you’re scared of Globohomo too. Did the ADL give you a phone call last night or something?

    Anyways, since you had to, good taqqiya.

    • Troll: Audacious Epigone
  10. anon[288] • Disclaimer says:

    “If simulations are possible, we are almost certainly in one, because if they are possible then there should effectively be an infinite number of simulations.”

    1) I would be very careful using this kind of logic. The odds would have a guy like you born Indian or Chinese, but you strike me as – very likely – a white male Southerner. What are the odds of that? The US is 5% of the world’s population and you are just a small subset of that.

    2) I’m skeptical of the simulation argument for the following reason: To what end? Why would anyone do this? In my experience, most humans are far below me creatively and cognitively; for the most part, they are ruled by ancient genetic programs beyond their control, which explains their tribalism and aversion to reason. So, with that in mind, why would any god-like creature create a reality filled with morons who are far below the average reader of this site, all of whom are far inferior to the simulator themselves? Some people have ant farms, but do most people have them, despite the ease of making them? Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it is likely.

    “A free speech near-absolutist.”

    You can’t have that in a multicultural society, or at least in a society deeply divided by race, class, and religion. The irony is that you almost have to be an ethnocentrist if you want free speech or want to maintain it.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    1) I would be very careful using this kind of logic. The odds would have a guy like you born Indian or Chinese, but you strike me as – very likely – a white male Southerner. What are the odds of that? The US is 5% of the world’s population and you are just a small subset of that.
     
    India and China are both alt-rightist.

    “A free speech near-absolutist.”

    You can’t have that in a multicultural society, or at least in a society deeply divided by race, class, and religion. The irony is that you almost have to be an ethnocentrist if you want free speech or want to maintain it.
     

    You can not really have it in an ethnostate either because ethnostates tend to be traditionalist and brainwash people into believing in the existence of certain ethnic enemies (e.g. Serbs vs Croats). So if you say anything good about the so-called ethnic enemy or try to reform trad culture even on very solid practical grounds then you can be e-lynched or even lynched by a mob as a traitor.

    Absolute free speech is pretty much for intellectuals among intellectuals only because mobs will always find some reason to attack whatever offend them. The latter is a part of norm enforcement every society has and can not be removed completely. Lib mobs are not very different from trad mobs in this aspect.

  11. @advancedatheist
    In the real world, white nationalists want normal white people to flourish securely in their own countries, so this make white nationalism a kind of pro-white humanism.

    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    In the real world, white nationalists want normal white people to flourish securely in their own countries, so this make white nationalism a kind of pro-white humanism.

    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    White Nationalism is as legitimate as NE Asian nationalism. Hence it is inherently legitimate.

    • Replies: @216
    In the media/academic narrative, which is what the vast majority of people rely on, White Nationalism is indistinguishable with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism.

    This narrative is not alterable without the use of state power.

    My goal is a "white identity politics" based on the Singapore/Israel model.

    I'd call it a "constitutional fascism" qua "democratic socialism". But the term "fascist" is unviable and too militaristic for my taste. So I prefer "sovereigntist", which is what Quebec nationalists call themselves (souveranisme)
  12. The increasing false characterization of whites (and non-whites!) as “white supremacists”, etc is vicious. The intention is to dehumanize large swaths of people with the objective of normalizing harassing, deplatforming, firing, physically attacking and even killing them. It has to stop.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    So you think by meekly stating "I'm not a white supremacist" they are going to just leave us alone?

    They want us all dead, regardless of whether we are strong or weak.

    I'm hoping it turns out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an "unperson" and go underground is when they become dangerous.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "It has to stop."

    There is an othering of whites phenomenon taking place in Western countries. Much of it is driven by progressive (Maoist) whites in advantaged positions in culture and the public sector. It is worrying, especially if one has white children.
    , @Anonymous
    And yet you seem to be accepting that Jewy definition of white nationalism like it's not a big deal.

    Don't you get it? Describing white nationalism as a virulent form of white supremacism is a deliberate ploy to criminalise white nationalism in white nations. It's meant to mute, gag, and ultimately imprison all natural immune reactions in our homelands.

  13. @anon
    "If simulations are possible, we are almost certainly in one, because if they are possible then there should effectively be an infinite number of simulations."

    1) I would be very careful using this kind of logic. The odds would have a guy like you born Indian or Chinese, but you strike me as - very likely - a white male Southerner. What are the odds of that? The US is 5% of the world's population and you are just a small subset of that.

    2) I'm skeptical of the simulation argument for the following reason: To what end? Why would anyone do this? In my experience, most humans are far below me creatively and cognitively; for the most part, they are ruled by ancient genetic programs beyond their control, which explains their tribalism and aversion to reason. So, with that in mind, why would any god-like creature create a reality filled with morons who are far below the average reader of this site, all of whom are far inferior to the simulator themselves? Some people have ant farms, but do most people have them, despite the ease of making them? Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is likely.

    "A free speech near-absolutist."

    You can't have that in a multicultural society, or at least in a society deeply divided by race, class, and religion. The irony is that you almost have to be an ethnocentrist if you want free speech or want to maintain it.

    1) I would be very careful using this kind of logic. The odds would have a guy like you born Indian or Chinese, but you strike me as – very likely – a white male Southerner. What are the odds of that? The US is 5% of the world’s population and you are just a small subset of that.

    India and China are both alt-rightist.

    “A free speech near-absolutist.”

    You can’t have that in a multicultural society, or at least in a society deeply divided by race, class, and religion. The irony is that you almost have to be an ethnocentrist if you want free speech or want to maintain it.

    You can not really have it in an ethnostate either because ethnostates tend to be traditionalist and brainwash people into believing in the existence of certain ethnic enemies (e.g. Serbs vs Croats). So if you say anything good about the so-called ethnic enemy or try to reform trad culture even on very solid practical grounds then you can be e-lynched or even lynched by a mob as a traitor.

    Absolute free speech is pretty much for intellectuals among intellectuals only because mobs will always find some reason to attack whatever offend them. The latter is a part of norm enforcement every society has and can not be removed completely. Lib mobs are not very different from trad mobs in this aspect.

  14. One doesn’t need to be a white supremacist to know that the forced desegregation we are currently seeing is not a good thing and is going to lead to bloodshed.

  15. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    “First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites. Reality and history defeat this assertion.”

    No, it doesn’t. Consult South Africa, Zimbabwe, and the fate of every multiracial empire in history if you disagree. In nearly every prior instance where whites lived with non-whites, whites were either the clear majority (the United States circa 1965) or held a near-exclusive monopoly on political power (South Africa and Zimbabwe). How did things work out when those situations changed? Further, this argument can be easily extended beyond the white-nonwhite paradigm to include nearly any multiracial entity in history; the common name for what I’m referring to is “empire”, and all have fallen. Whites, if made a hated minority in their own society, probably won’t fare so well (at least normal whites won’t; rich whites might). History certainly proves that: Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, Libya … even stable nations like Iran and Turkey are basket cases due to ethnic diversity (that’s why Iran carefully vets who is allowed to run for office – they are only about 50% Persian by ethnicity; Turkey bans giving children Kurdish names).

    “More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism.”

    If your group is broadly defined as “all Americans” then you don’t really have much of a group. That statement is equivalent to proclaiming yourself a “citizen of the world.” That’s hopelessly naive and in direct contravention to human nature. Don’t be surprised when a smart, ethnocentric group that feels differently takes advantage of your altruism and wrests societal control from you, using it for their own advantage and to your detriment. Gee, when has that occurred before … ?

    “Did the ADL give you a phone call last night or something?”

    It’s more likely he wants to use this statement as insurance in case someone doxxes him. It’s sort of funny that he talks about “free speech” but then has to run away from actual free speech because he’s afraid of the American government and its proxies; is that kind of society really free or just a thinly-veiled police state? Anyway, these guys are in for a shock when their horse Andrew Yang gets destroyed in the primary this election cycle. Tell me ethnic identity doesn’t matter when ethnic block voting puts down Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang in favor of a racist like Corey Booker who publicly advocates for reparations (racial theft) for his tribal group. There will be a lot of soul-searching on Jan. 20th, 2021.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Social media is increasingly thoughtless. Thoughtful people are going to look for other places to spend their time online. I'd like it to be here, but the racial slurs turn people away immediately.
  16. @Audacious Epigone
    The increasing false characterization of whites (and non-whites!) as "white supremacists", etc is vicious. The intention is to dehumanize large swaths of people with the objective of normalizing harassing, deplatforming, firing, physically attacking and even killing them. It has to stop.

    So you think by meekly stating “I’m not a white supremacist” they are going to just leave us alone?

    They want us all dead, regardless of whether we are strong or weak.

    I’m hoping it turns out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an “unperson” and go underground is when they become dangerous.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I've not read the Turner Diaries but I obviously do not want a race war.

    The American empire, like all empires, will collapse. My guess is sooner than most people think, quite possibly with the impending economic downturn and subsequent currency crisis. But outside of Africa and parts of the Muslim world (though not all, see Turkey, Iran, etc), TFRs are at or below replacement. Genetic engineering is coming down the pike. A soft landing is still possible.
    , @EastKekistani

    So you think by meekly stating “I’m not a white supremacist” they are going to just leave us alone?
     
    That's almost on par with docile fellahs in China. No, that can't work.

    Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an “unperson” and go underground is when they become dangerous.
     

    We wish you guys the best. If you want a race war that does not involve the NE Asian race I don't give a shit. The scenario about China invading Russia won't happen, nor will the nuking of NE Asia simply because we actually have nukes. Instead we will just sit in our NE Asian metropolises such as Beijing, Seoul and Singapore while watching the race war online and on TV.
    , @216
    Check into something called the "Boeremag", a small group of Afrikaner terrorists during the 1990s hoping to fulfill the Rensburg prophecy.

    The South African state, no one's model of competence or efficiency, infiltrated and crushed them easily. Incompetence in the courts caused the trial to drag on for 10 years, but created no martyrs to embolden the cause.

    The ANC eagerly used the terrorism excuse to pass harsher gun laws, and disband the Commando system where farmers were allowed to act as an ad-hoc militia to defend against crime.

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban

    Think you can outrun one of these?

    http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/343804/8386521/1283434935760/General_Atomics_Avenger_UCAV.jpg?token=KGdBvZewrYLBVDK8GHxtuVojrsk%3D

    Thought so, that's why I argue for civility and political solutions, and I argue against violent rhetoric that I myself used to be quite the fan of.
  17. The science is settled, sir!

  18. @iffen
    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites. Reality and history defeat this assertion.

    More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism.

    “First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites.”

    Actually, you are assigning that assertion with your own false premise. The fundamental issue is that whites should be allowed to separate themselves if they choose to do so. Yeah, whites can flourish among non whites, as long as those non whites make up a very small percentage of the total population, <15%, and not the 35% (and increasing rapidly) the US currently stands at.

    Based on that, reality and history support my premise much better than they support yours.

    "More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism."

    LOL – This is like reading a suicide note. Here are some of your fellow Americans:

    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1439,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492121667/articles/2015/11/20/is-this-the-monster-who-gunned-down-a-chicago-9-year-old/151119-daly-chicago-tease_t0k0rj

    https://s274.photobucket.com/user/Raskal402/media/SURENOS.jpg.html

    At least the blacks, Jews, Chinese, mestizos, arabs, etc. stick together. Half the whites here who have an understanding of the coming collapse STILL insist on mindless virtue signaling, as well as rejecting the idea of freedom of association. Better dead than rude, and dead you will be.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Mikey, you forgot to tell me my false premise.
  19. anon[967] • Disclaimer says:

    “Absolute free speech is pretty much for intellectuals among intellectuals only because mobs will always find some reason to attack whatever offend them.”

    Free speech is possible in a society controlled by intellectuals. Thus, Britain enjoyed unprecedented free speech rights, despite being a democracy, until the current age of multiculturalism and social media empowering the cognitively-inferior masses (there is a direct correlation between support for free speech and IQ). This is why I support human germ-line engineering for traits such as cognitive ability, among other things. Extrapolated over time, free speech is doomed due to lowering global IQs and the increasing ease of offense due to social media; in fact, it’s worse than people think as the environmental side of IQ also seems to be declining at an alarming rate (~1-2 points over the last generation in some developed northern European countries; and this isn’t attributable to genes because the decline has been noticed in siblings born years apart).

    Previously, this wasn’t much of a concern because the assumption was that we could manage the decline. We assumed global IQ would only fall a few points by the end of the century. However, if the other 50% of cognitive ability is indeed declining at 1-2 points per 20 years, we could see a disastrous decline in ability within the lifetimes of some readers of this site. That means the end of basic freedoms like speech and much technological innovation (and say goodbye to high art and culture)*. It could even lead to an Eloi-Morlock situation where society is controlled – using advanced technologies – by a very small subset of smart psychopaths at the top while the dumb masses eek out lives at the bottom, perpetually abused and neglected.

    *I wonder if this, perhaps at least partly, explains the noticeable decline in Hollywood movie and music quality post millennium? Frankly, I’ve been stunned at how popular many of these bad tentpole movies have been. I remember back when Independence Day was thought to be a cheesy movie, but that film is light years ahead of movies like Age of Ultron or Star Trek Into Darkness in terms of imagination, sound design, writing, and musical score.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I have heard it said that Hollywood is making movies for a global audience now, so they are intentionally dumbed down, even the dialogue. I wouldn't go that far. Seems more like, their net is a lot greater due to the global market, so it is harder for their naturally stupid ideas to fail. Of course, a lot of people in the US buying tickets now aren't white, so there's that too.
  20. Anon[543] • Disclaimer says:

    “The intention is to dehumanize large swaths of people with the objective of normalizing harassing, deplatforming, firing, physically attacking and even killing them. It has to stop.”

    Unfortunately, it likely will not. Fundamentally, humans have evolved to govern their actions in accordance to the likelihood that violence will be visited upon them by an opposing social group or authority figure; the teacher in Starship Troopers was ultimately right, “Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.” This is not an advocation for wanton psychical violence, but merely an acknowledgement of the truth about how humans think and organize their societies.

    More people don’t break the law not because people are better and nobler than you imagine, but due overwhelmingly to the fact that they are aware of the potential consequences for their actions – violence being inflicted upon them by the state through imprisonment or from society through social shame (this is why the majority of white psychopaths, despite being amoral, are not behind bars). There aren’t riots against the government when corruption is uncovered because the assumption is that violence from the public can be channeled at the responsible parties through the ballot box. Vigilantism isn’t much of a thing because people know approved violence will used by the state against the responsible parties. That all changes once there is no outlet for peacefully, or meaningfully, channeling violence…or when there is no threat of violent counterattack for one’s actions.

    Historical example: The Greek city-state of Sparta, once the champion of the little man against the Athenian Empire, immediately devolved into imperial despotism themselves once the threat of violent counterattack by a powerful rival was removed (they defeated the Athenian Empire and proceeded to immediately build their own short-lived empire as soon as they had the chance, despite the obvious hypocrisy) – same for the American Empire. Humans are Machiavellian hypocrites by nature. What they say is not really what they always mean, a fact seemingly unknown to intellectuals, ironically. People say things that advantage them and they change their tune once they have the opportunity to advance themselves – once they know they won’t be held accountable through some retaliation by another. Thus, the American left once supported free speech back when they thought social conservatives could punish them in retaliation for what they said, but they oppose it (for conservatives) now that there is no credible threat they will be held accountable for their actions.

    In this light, the trend of which you speak will almost certainly continue because there is no credible threat of violent counterattack (deplatforming, social shame, boycotts, ballot box …) from the right onto the left; SJWs control nearly every major media outlet, the banks, the government, many state governments, publishing companies, tech companies, social media, the police … and they are relentless in seeking to use violence to destroy their opposition. Multicultural immigration has empowered the rich psychopaths who rule your country to do as they wish to their opposition because they know that ethnic block voting will ensure there can be no counterattack at them from the ballot box. Removing the threat of violence has, ironically, ensured it. Ultimately, this is why the right lost and why the US is doomed. While you guys were busy being intellectuals embracing impractical ideologies in contravention to human nature, those more in tune with their base human natures where slowly winning the day. Now, they’ve won outright.

    This is why I support partition. Separating the US into multiple countries would immediately deplatform the radical SJW left and empower conservatives to rein them in for good. Society would become peaceful again as the radical left tempers its rhetoric out of fear of conservative retaliation. At the very least, the mere threat of a credible partition (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc.) would restore the possibility of retaliation and force the left to moderate. Asking them to do so will accomplish nothing; that’s not how humans think. However, threatening to harm their interests by breaking off might do so. Best case scenario: separate countries where guys like you make all the rules – peace and quiet. Worse case scenario: the left cools its heels and implements your suggestion. But without a meaningful threat of retaliation, they will NEVER stop. Count on it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Agree that partition/political dissolution is both likely and desirable. The marriage is broken, our differences irreconcilable.
    , @EastKekistani
    You are right. You are a great Machiavellian thinker.

    Humans are Machiavellian hypocrites by nature.
     
    Yeppo. So do AI, aliens and animals.

    What they say is not really what they always mean, a fact seemingly unknown to intellectuals, ironically.
     
    Intellectuals especially STEM ones do tend to be a bit autistic.

    People say things that advantage them and they change their tune once they have the opportunity to advance themselves – once they know they won’t be held accountable through some retaliation by another. Thus, the American left once supported free speech back when they thought social conservatives could punish them in retaliation for what they said, but they oppose it (for conservatives) now that there is no credible threat they will be held accountable for their actions.
     
    Libertarianism and freedom have always been abused by the weak in the sense of "Fuck. We want to dominate you. But since we can't we have to build a broad coalition to overthrow you on the grounds of freedom for all first. But when we take power..lol". When they actually become strong and take power they don't give a shit about freedom while the newly defeated party begins to push for libertarianism and freedom. The cycle repeats.

    Asking them to do so will accomplish nothing; that’s not how humans think. However, threatening to harm their interests by breaking off might do so.
     
    Of course.
  21. So, with that in mind, why would any god-like creature create a reality filled with morons who are far below the average reader of this site, all of whom are far inferior to the simulator themselves?

    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks. Even though the whole world would be a whole lot better off than now in general, I suspect there still would be people not satisfied with the situation. People within different brackets see the world differently and have radically different ideas about the way things should be; suppose the cut-off is 100, a lot of people would be happy with a population like that, there would be a vast difference in the way the world could work, but who can guarantee there would be no social discontent, the highly intelligent, especially when their population has expanded, would still look at their lower IQ compatriots with suspicion.

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That’s below me, let that idiot over there do it. But there would be nobody around- why do I have to do this shit-job, I ain’t more stupid, I can have the same credentials in no time, I can work as hard as he can… A whole new set of problems would arise. How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board? The occasional genius that pops-up in the population and makes some breakthroughs, relies on the rest of the ‘not so bright’ people for existence. A world where robots do everything is very distant. Life will always have challenges, without them there is no progress. Just as the Sun’s energy output varies, so does human intelligence, and there are good reasons for it.

    Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for? “All God’s creatures have their place in the choir”- when Mao had all the sparrows exterminated, it turned out wasps lost their natural enemies and then killed all the bees, so there was nothing left to pollinate crops. They had to do it by hand, and it brought a famine about. The system is very complex, many animals need others to survive and exist, the interconnections are not always direct and clear.

    Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did. South African mining companies would bring in the least intelligent workers en masse, from across the whole continent to do the grueling work from dawn to dusk without complaining, before things went awry, it had been working very well for them, but only until such time. It’s the leadership of intelligent, yet evil people, that hinders humanity. Stupid people- everything depends on how you use “it”, which can be said about everything else.

    • Replies: @polaco
    Replying to comment #10 https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3151475
    , @Mr. Rational

    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.
     
    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.  Today's robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price.  Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any human.  This is with programmers whose IQ may reach 140 or 150; who would be redundant when automation is built by people averaging IQ 300+?

    What human populations today have IQ around 50?  The lowest average I can find is Equatorial Guinea at 59.  It has "little industry".  In a world of Homo sapiens sapiens, where could you employ a billion Homo habilis?  Nowhere, that's where.  They'd be unemployable if they were not already extinct.  If the average IQ was 300, any conscious being of IQ less than 200 would be obsolete and probably better off replaced by an automaton of some kind.  Their existence would be miserable and they'd wonder why they were even alive.

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches?
     
    Nobody.  Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one.  Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.

    How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
     
    You posit this from exactly nowhere.  Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.  If we had an average 300 IQ with a standard deviation of 45, the top 0.1% would score in excess of 400.  I'm about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do.  I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.

    Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for?
     
    You cannot contemplate Dyson spheres around stars, an ever-expanding sphere of civilization encompassing galaxies?  You are WAY too limited to even understand these issues.
  22. @anon
    "Absolute free speech is pretty much for intellectuals among intellectuals only because mobs will always find some reason to attack whatever offend them."

    Free speech is possible in a society controlled by intellectuals. Thus, Britain enjoyed unprecedented free speech rights, despite being a democracy, until the current age of multiculturalism and social media empowering the cognitively-inferior masses (there is a direct correlation between support for free speech and IQ). This is why I support human germ-line engineering for traits such as cognitive ability, among other things. Extrapolated over time, free speech is doomed due to lowering global IQs and the increasing ease of offense due to social media; in fact, it's worse than people think as the environmental side of IQ also seems to be declining at an alarming rate (~1-2 points over the last generation in some developed northern European countries; and this isn't attributable to genes because the decline has been noticed in siblings born years apart).

    Previously, this wasn't much of a concern because the assumption was that we could manage the decline. We assumed global IQ would only fall a few points by the end of the century. However, if the other 50% of cognitive ability is indeed declining at 1-2 points per 20 years, we could see a disastrous decline in ability within the lifetimes of some readers of this site. That means the end of basic freedoms like speech and much technological innovation (and say goodbye to high art and culture)*. It could even lead to an Eloi-Morlock situation where society is controlled - using advanced technologies - by a very small subset of smart psychopaths at the top while the dumb masses eek out lives at the bottom, perpetually abused and neglected.

    *I wonder if this, perhaps at least partly, explains the noticeable decline in Hollywood movie and music quality post millennium? Frankly, I've been stunned at how popular many of these bad tentpole movies have been. I remember back when Independence Day was thought to be a cheesy movie, but that film is light years ahead of movies like Age of Ultron or Star Trek Into Darkness in terms of imagination, sound design, writing, and musical score.

    I have heard it said that Hollywood is making movies for a global audience now, so they are intentionally dumbed down, even the dialogue. I wouldn’t go that far. Seems more like, their net is a lot greater due to the global market, so it is harder for their naturally stupid ideas to fail. Of course, a lot of people in the US buying tickets now aren’t white, so there’s that too.

  23. White nationalism is not necessarily white separatism or supremacy. Literally, it implies political autonomy and the right — but in my view, not the obligation — to live separately. As usual, the progressives distort the views of the right so they can portray us all as Nazis (who were actually leftists.)

  24. @polaco

    So, with that in mind, why would any god-like creature create a reality filled with morons who are far below the average reader of this site, all of whom are far inferior to the simulator themselves?
     
    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ "morons" as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks. Even though the whole world would be a whole lot better off than now in general, I suspect there still would be people not satisfied with the situation. People within different brackets see the world differently and have radically different ideas about the way things should be; suppose the cut-off is 100, a lot of people would be happy with a population like that, there would be a vast difference in the way the world could work, but who can guarantee there would be no social discontent, the highly intelligent, especially when their population has expanded, would still look at their lower IQ compatriots with suspicion.

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That's below me, let that idiot over there do it. But there would be nobody around- why do I have to do this shit-job, I ain't more stupid, I can have the same credentials in no time, I can work as hard as he can... A whole new set of problems would arise. How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board? The occasional genius that pops-up in the population and makes some breakthroughs, relies on the rest of the 'not so bright' people for existence. A world where robots do everything is very distant. Life will always have challenges, without them there is no progress. Just as the Sun's energy output varies, so does human intelligence, and there are good reasons for it.

    Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for? "All God's creatures have their place in the choir"- when Mao had all the sparrows exterminated, it turned out wasps lost their natural enemies and then killed all the bees, so there was nothing left to pollinate crops. They had to do it by hand, and it brought a famine about. The system is very complex, many animals need others to survive and exist, the interconnections are not always direct and clear.

    Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did. South African mining companies would bring in the least intelligent workers en masse, from across the whole continent to do the grueling work from dawn to dusk without complaining, before things went awry, it had been working very well for them, but only until such time. It's the leadership of intelligent, yet evil people, that hinders humanity. Stupid people- everything depends on how you use "it", which can be said about everything else.
  25. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    So you think by meekly stating "I'm not a white supremacist" they are going to just leave us alone?

    They want us all dead, regardless of whether we are strong or weak.

    I'm hoping it turns out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an "unperson" and go underground is when they become dangerous.

    I’ve not read the Turner Diaries but I obviously do not want a race war.

    The American empire, like all empires, will collapse. My guess is sooner than most people think, quite possibly with the impending economic downturn and subsequent currency crisis. But outside of Africa and parts of the Muslim world (though not all, see Turkey, Iran, etc), TFRs are at or below replacement. Genetic engineering is coming down the pike. A soft landing is still possible.

  26. anon[737] • Disclaimer says:

    “Of course, a lot of people in the US buying tickets now aren’t white, so there’s that too.”

    I first noticed this with those awful Star Wars prequels years ago. Hispanics, then 12% of the US population, made up something like 25% of the audience; those movies made gobs of cash despite being derided as trash by the original, high IQ white male, fanbase. Negative audience reaction from people like me didn’t seem to make much impact – same for all those trash Marvel movies (the last one I went to see had an audience that was disproportionately made up of bored suburban dads and their kids, white trash, and minorities). Unfortunately, as the quality of the audience has declined, the quality of the movies has declined. Hollywood makes what people want to see and people have made it clear they want to see lowbrow, poorly-written trash. Sucks that the rest of us high IQs have to suffer through it. Our only salvation may be cheap, photorealistic CGI because we aren’t the target audience anymore.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Schoolmarm disapproves of "white trash".
  27. Anon[795] • Disclaimer says:

    “If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That’s below me, let that idiot over there do it.”

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite…maybe, but even then I’m not really satisfied. Why would any creator make a universe filled with creatures significantly more primitive than itself? Entertainment? Are you entertained by ants fighting? Intellectual conversations? Lol, no. Check out your average Facebook comment if you want to see the typical quality of the average human intellect. Fundamentally, I doubt the simulation hypothesis because I cannot see what the utility of the universe is to an outside observer, beyond perhaps mere curiosity or obligation (unless you’re a Boltzman Brain, but even our universe itself would seem more likely than that). Ultimately, the universe is likely just the outcome of some mathematical logic we don’t yet understand due to insufficient intellect; just like a deceptively complicated-looking snowflake is the product of a set of simple mathematical principles, so is reality I would suspect.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Or to escape boredom, in the same way a video game puts restrictions on what the one undergoing the simulation is capable of doing. Playing games with cheat codes gets boring fast!
    , @polaco
    My argument was about why there exist variations in IQ, and everything else for that matter. Maybe some people seem 'obsolete' now but they played a role in getting us to where we are standing today.

    As to simulations, pick your poison, I stick to my ambrosia- speaking as a Catholic, God is all powerful, his wisdom unbound. The more intelligence you have, the more you see, understand, and are able to create, so with his infinite intelligence God can create realities beyond our imagination, he could even be Himself in infinitely many instances at once if he wanted to, I suppose. The Bible says "Indeed, even the hairs on your head have all been counted!", so He surely has all of the data in the universe accounted for and under control...

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite
     
    The Bible also says more will be required of those who have received more, so if your intelligent brain can present your soul with different options to chose from, you should go with what is right, because when a dumb guy reacts instinctively, for he doesn't have the brains capable of analyzing and weighing his options, the soul is still there, yet the brain won't offer it the choices to consciously select from, and he will not be judged as harshly.

    The question should really be how, not why, since we and the world around us already exist; an adequate answer to why create something not up to par may as well be, why not? "The human brain cannot deal with the question of ultimate origin"- Fred Reed.
  28. @Anon
    “The intention is to dehumanize large swaths of people with the objective of normalizing harassing, deplatforming, firing, physically attacking and even killing them. It has to stop.”

    Unfortunately, it likely will not. Fundamentally, humans have evolved to govern their actions in accordance to the likelihood that violence will be visited upon them by an opposing social group or authority figure; the teacher in Starship Troopers was ultimately right, “Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.” This is not an advocation for wanton psychical violence, but merely an acknowledgement of the truth about how humans think and organize their societies.

    More people don’t break the law not because people are better and nobler than you imagine, but due overwhelmingly to the fact that they are aware of the potential consequences for their actions – violence being inflicted upon them by the state through imprisonment or from society through social shame (this is why the majority of white psychopaths, despite being amoral, are not behind bars). There aren’t riots against the government when corruption is uncovered because the assumption is that violence from the public can be channeled at the responsible parties through the ballot box. Vigilantism isn't much of a thing because people know approved violence will used by the state against the responsible parties. That all changes once there is no outlet for peacefully, or meaningfully, channeling violence...or when there is no threat of violent counterattack for one's actions.

    Historical example: The Greek city-state of Sparta, once the champion of the little man against the Athenian Empire, immediately devolved into imperial despotism themselves once the threat of violent counterattack by a powerful rival was removed (they defeated the Athenian Empire and proceeded to immediately build their own short-lived empire as soon as they had the chance, despite the obvious hypocrisy) – same for the American Empire. Humans are Machiavellian hypocrites by nature. What they say is not really what they always mean, a fact seemingly unknown to intellectuals, ironically. People say things that advantage them and they change their tune once they have the opportunity to advance themselves - once they know they won't be held accountable through some retaliation by another. Thus, the American left once supported free speech back when they thought social conservatives could punish them in retaliation for what they said, but they oppose it (for conservatives) now that there is no credible threat they will be held accountable for their actions.

    In this light, the trend of which you speak will almost certainly continue because there is no credible threat of violent counterattack (deplatforming, social shame, boycotts, ballot box …) from the right onto the left; SJWs control nearly every major media outlet, the banks, the government, many state governments, publishing companies, tech companies, social media, the police … and they are relentless in seeking to use violence to destroy their opposition. Multicultural immigration has empowered the rich psychopaths who rule your country to do as they wish to their opposition because they know that ethnic block voting will ensure there can be no counterattack at them from the ballot box. Removing the threat of violence has, ironically, ensured it. Ultimately, this is why the right lost and why the US is doomed. While you guys were busy being intellectuals embracing impractical ideologies in contravention to human nature, those more in tune with their base human natures where slowly winning the day. Now, they’ve won outright.

    This is why I support partition. Separating the US into multiple countries would immediately deplatform the radical SJW left and empower conservatives to rein them in for good. Society would become peaceful again as the radical left tempers its rhetoric out of fear of conservative retaliation. At the very least, the mere threat of a credible partition (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc.) would restore the possibility of retaliation and force the left to moderate. Asking them to do so will accomplish nothing; that's not how humans think. However, threatening to harm their interests by breaking off might do so. Best case scenario: separate countries where guys like you make all the rules - peace and quiet. Worse case scenario: the left cools its heels and implements your suggestion. But without a meaningful threat of retaliation, they will NEVER stop. Count on it.

    Agree that partition/political dissolution is both likely and desirable. The marriage is broken, our differences irreconcilable.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable. We see it at work in public settings. There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives.
  29. @anon
    "Of course, a lot of people in the US buying tickets now aren’t white, so there’s that too."

    I first noticed this with those awful Star Wars prequels years ago. Hispanics, then 12% of the US population, made up something like 25% of the audience; those movies made gobs of cash despite being derided as trash by the original, high IQ white male, fanbase. Negative audience reaction from people like me didn't seem to make much impact - same for all those trash Marvel movies (the last one I went to see had an audience that was disproportionately made up of bored suburban dads and their kids, white trash, and minorities). Unfortunately, as the quality of the audience has declined, the quality of the movies has declined. Hollywood makes what people want to see and people have made it clear they want to see lowbrow, poorly-written trash. Sucks that the rest of us high IQs have to suffer through it. Our only salvation may be cheap, photorealistic CGI because we aren't the target audience anymore.

    Schoolmarm disapproves of “white trash”.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Schoolmarm disapproves of “white trash”.

    I recommend: White Trash. The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America by N. Isenberg

    I didn't do an actual count, but she must catalogue 101 names for white trash.

  30. @anon
    "First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites. Reality and history defeat this assertion."

    No, it doesn't. Consult South Africa, Zimbabwe, and the fate of every multiracial empire in history if you disagree. In nearly every prior instance where whites lived with non-whites, whites were either the clear majority (the United States circa 1965) or held a near-exclusive monopoly on political power (South Africa and Zimbabwe). How did things work out when those situations changed? Further, this argument can be easily extended beyond the white-nonwhite paradigm to include nearly any multiracial entity in history; the common name for what I'm referring to is "empire", and all have fallen. Whites, if made a hated minority in their own society, probably won't fare so well (at least normal whites won't; rich whites might). History certainly proves that: Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, Libya ... even stable nations like Iran and Turkey are basket cases due to ethnic diversity (that's why Iran carefully vets who is allowed to run for office - they are only about 50% Persian by ethnicity; Turkey bans giving children Kurdish names).

    "More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism."

    If your group is broadly defined as "all Americans" then you don't really have much of a group. That statement is equivalent to proclaiming yourself a "citizen of the world." That's hopelessly naive and in direct contravention to human nature. Don't be surprised when a smart, ethnocentric group that feels differently takes advantage of your altruism and wrests societal control from you, using it for their own advantage and to your detriment. Gee, when has that occurred before ... ?

    "Did the ADL give you a phone call last night or something?"

    It's more likely he wants to use this statement as insurance in case someone doxxes him. It's sort of funny that he talks about "free speech" but then has to run away from actual free speech because he's afraid of the American government and its proxies; is that kind of society really free or just a thinly-veiled police state? Anyway, these guys are in for a shock when their horse Andrew Yang gets destroyed in the primary this election cycle. Tell me ethnic identity doesn't matter when ethnic block voting puts down Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang in favor of a racist like Corey Booker who publicly advocates for reparations (racial theft) for his tribal group. There will be a lot of soul-searching on Jan. 20th, 2021.

    Social media is increasingly thoughtless. Thoughtful people are going to look for other places to spend their time online. I’d like it to be here, but the racial slurs turn people away immediately.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    racial slurs turn people away
     
    Another name for "racial slur" is "politically-incorrect but intellectually and categorically accurate label".

    Schoolmarm needs to check her educational privilege!
  31. @Anon
    "If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That’s below me, let that idiot over there do it."

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it's really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite...maybe, but even then I'm not really satisfied. Why would any creator make a universe filled with creatures significantly more primitive than itself? Entertainment? Are you entertained by ants fighting? Intellectual conversations? Lol, no. Check out your average Facebook comment if you want to see the typical quality of the average human intellect. Fundamentally, I doubt the simulation hypothesis because I cannot see what the utility of the universe is to an outside observer, beyond perhaps mere curiosity or obligation (unless you're a Boltzman Brain, but even our universe itself would seem more likely than that). Ultimately, the universe is likely just the outcome of some mathematical logic we don't yet understand due to insufficient intellect; just like a deceptively complicated-looking snowflake is the product of a set of simple mathematical principles, so is reality I would suspect.

    Or to escape boredom, in the same way a video game puts restrictions on what the one undergoing the simulation is capable of doing. Playing games with cheat codes gets boring fast!

  32. @Anon
    “The intention is to dehumanize large swaths of people with the objective of normalizing harassing, deplatforming, firing, physically attacking and even killing them. It has to stop.”

    Unfortunately, it likely will not. Fundamentally, humans have evolved to govern their actions in accordance to the likelihood that violence will be visited upon them by an opposing social group or authority figure; the teacher in Starship Troopers was ultimately right, “Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.” This is not an advocation for wanton psychical violence, but merely an acknowledgement of the truth about how humans think and organize their societies.

    More people don’t break the law not because people are better and nobler than you imagine, but due overwhelmingly to the fact that they are aware of the potential consequences for their actions – violence being inflicted upon them by the state through imprisonment or from society through social shame (this is why the majority of white psychopaths, despite being amoral, are not behind bars). There aren’t riots against the government when corruption is uncovered because the assumption is that violence from the public can be channeled at the responsible parties through the ballot box. Vigilantism isn't much of a thing because people know approved violence will used by the state against the responsible parties. That all changes once there is no outlet for peacefully, or meaningfully, channeling violence...or when there is no threat of violent counterattack for one's actions.

    Historical example: The Greek city-state of Sparta, once the champion of the little man against the Athenian Empire, immediately devolved into imperial despotism themselves once the threat of violent counterattack by a powerful rival was removed (they defeated the Athenian Empire and proceeded to immediately build their own short-lived empire as soon as they had the chance, despite the obvious hypocrisy) – same for the American Empire. Humans are Machiavellian hypocrites by nature. What they say is not really what they always mean, a fact seemingly unknown to intellectuals, ironically. People say things that advantage them and they change their tune once they have the opportunity to advance themselves - once they know they won't be held accountable through some retaliation by another. Thus, the American left once supported free speech back when they thought social conservatives could punish them in retaliation for what they said, but they oppose it (for conservatives) now that there is no credible threat they will be held accountable for their actions.

    In this light, the trend of which you speak will almost certainly continue because there is no credible threat of violent counterattack (deplatforming, social shame, boycotts, ballot box …) from the right onto the left; SJWs control nearly every major media outlet, the banks, the government, many state governments, publishing companies, tech companies, social media, the police … and they are relentless in seeking to use violence to destroy their opposition. Multicultural immigration has empowered the rich psychopaths who rule your country to do as they wish to their opposition because they know that ethnic block voting will ensure there can be no counterattack at them from the ballot box. Removing the threat of violence has, ironically, ensured it. Ultimately, this is why the right lost and why the US is doomed. While you guys were busy being intellectuals embracing impractical ideologies in contravention to human nature, those more in tune with their base human natures where slowly winning the day. Now, they’ve won outright.

    This is why I support partition. Separating the US into multiple countries would immediately deplatform the radical SJW left and empower conservatives to rein them in for good. Society would become peaceful again as the radical left tempers its rhetoric out of fear of conservative retaliation. At the very least, the mere threat of a credible partition (Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc.) would restore the possibility of retaliation and force the left to moderate. Asking them to do so will accomplish nothing; that's not how humans think. However, threatening to harm their interests by breaking off might do so. Best case scenario: separate countries where guys like you make all the rules - peace and quiet. Worse case scenario: the left cools its heels and implements your suggestion. But without a meaningful threat of retaliation, they will NEVER stop. Count on it.

    You are right. You are a great Machiavellian thinker.

    Humans are Machiavellian hypocrites by nature.

    Yeppo. So do AI, aliens and animals.

    What they say is not really what they always mean, a fact seemingly unknown to intellectuals, ironically.

    Intellectuals especially STEM ones do tend to be a bit autistic.

    People say things that advantage them and they change their tune once they have the opportunity to advance themselves – once they know they won’t be held accountable through some retaliation by another. Thus, the American left once supported free speech back when they thought social conservatives could punish them in retaliation for what they said, but they oppose it (for conservatives) now that there is no credible threat they will be held accountable for their actions.

    Libertarianism and freedom have always been abused by the weak in the sense of “Fuck. We want to dominate you. But since we can’t we have to build a broad coalition to overthrow you on the grounds of freedom for all first. But when we take power..lol”. When they actually become strong and take power they don’t give a shit about freedom while the newly defeated party begins to push for libertarianism and freedom. The cycle repeats.

    Asking them to do so will accomplish nothing; that’s not how humans think. However, threatening to harm their interests by breaking off might do so.

    Of course.

  33. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    So you think by meekly stating "I'm not a white supremacist" they are going to just leave us alone?

    They want us all dead, regardless of whether we are strong or weak.

    I'm hoping it turns out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an "unperson" and go underground is when they become dangerous.

    So you think by meekly stating “I’m not a white supremacist” they are going to just leave us alone?

    That’s almost on par with docile fellahs in China. No, that can’t work.

    Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an “unperson” and go underground is when they become dangerous.

    We wish you guys the best. If you want a race war that does not involve the NE Asian race I don’t give a shit. The scenario about China invading Russia won’t happen, nor will the nuking of NE Asia simply because we actually have nukes. Instead we will just sit in our NE Asian metropolises such as Beijing, Seoul and Singapore while watching the race war online and on TV.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Asians weren't really talked about in the book, nor were Muslims. Focused on blacks Mexicans and puerto Ricans (written in the 1970s).

    But neither Asians nor muslims will be accepted in the ethno state. That said, I have nothing against them, they have to go back to China and other places.
  34. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites."

    Actually, you are assigning that assertion with your own false premise. The fundamental issue is that whites should be allowed to separate themselves if they choose to do so. Yeah, whites can flourish among non whites, as long as those non whites make up a very small percentage of the total population, <15%, and not the 35% (and increasing rapidly) the US currently stands at.

    Based on that, reality and history support my premise much better than they support yours.


    "More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism."

    LOL - This is like reading a suicide note. Here are some of your fellow Americans:

    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1439,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492121667/articles/2015/11/20/is-this-the-monster-who-gunned-down-a-chicago-9-year-old/151119-daly-chicago-tease_t0k0rj

    http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/05/Minneapolis-Somali-Muslims-protest-ap-640x480.jpg

    https://s274.photobucket.com/user/Raskal402/media/SURENOS.jpg.html


    At least the blacks, Jews, Chinese, mestizos, arabs, etc. stick together. Half the whites here who have an understanding of the coming collapse STILL insist on mindless virtue signaling, as well as rejecting the idea of freedom of association. Better dead than rude, and dead you will be.

    Mikey, you forgot to tell me my false premise.

  35. white race is inherently superior to other races

    Races differ in their mean IQ. Said IQ predicts “success” in the modern environment. Is “success” in the modern environment defined as “superior”?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Material success, yeah, but it's not that strong a predictor on an individual level--much more so on a societal one (ie smart fraction theory). But in terms of other things like mental health, fertility (the ultimate measure of success so far as there is one!), drug addiction, and other quality of life issues, there isn't a racial progression that parallels that of IQ.
  36. anon[491] • Disclaimer says:

    “I’d like it to be here, but the racial slurs turn people away immediately.”

    It would help to have a list available of forbidden words, perhaps included in a link at the bottom of each post. Further, if you want to expand, I would suggest adding in forums for the discussion of things like movies, art, books, history, and video games – broaden your topics and encourage high-quality posts to get a high-quality audience. One way to get the latter might be to institute a minimum word count for posts; drive by insults and poorly-thought out arguments would be excluded nearly automatically, leading to a more welcoming environment. Another would be to institute a set of rules making SJWs unlikely to post because they ruin everything (i.e. prohibit commenters/comments which demand changes to permissible content, prohibit advocating politically incorrect things from certain forums – like demanding or promoting body censorship of videogame characters, etc.).

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  37. “As I’ve gotten older, it has become increasingly clear to me that my comprehension of the amount I don’t know grows incessantly faster than things I am certain I do know.”

    Welcome to wisdom, AE.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  38. @Anon
    "If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That’s below me, let that idiot over there do it."

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it's really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite...maybe, but even then I'm not really satisfied. Why would any creator make a universe filled with creatures significantly more primitive than itself? Entertainment? Are you entertained by ants fighting? Intellectual conversations? Lol, no. Check out your average Facebook comment if you want to see the typical quality of the average human intellect. Fundamentally, I doubt the simulation hypothesis because I cannot see what the utility of the universe is to an outside observer, beyond perhaps mere curiosity or obligation (unless you're a Boltzman Brain, but even our universe itself would seem more likely than that). Ultimately, the universe is likely just the outcome of some mathematical logic we don't yet understand due to insufficient intellect; just like a deceptively complicated-looking snowflake is the product of a set of simple mathematical principles, so is reality I would suspect.

    My argument was about why there exist variations in IQ, and everything else for that matter. Maybe some people seem ‘obsolete’ now but they played a role in getting us to where we are standing today.

    As to simulations, pick your poison, I stick to my ambrosia- speaking as a Catholic, God is all powerful, his wisdom unbound. The more intelligence you have, the more you see, understand, and are able to create, so with his infinite intelligence God can create realities beyond our imagination, he could even be Himself in infinitely many instances at once if he wanted to, I suppose. The Bible says “Indeed, even the hairs on your head have all been counted!”, so He surely has all of the data in the universe accounted for and under control…

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite

    The Bible also says more will be required of those who have received more, so if your intelligent brain can present your soul with different options to chose from, you should go with what is right, because when a dumb guy reacts instinctively, for he doesn’t have the brains capable of analyzing and weighing his options, the soul is still there, yet the brain won’t offer it the choices to consciously select from, and he will not be judged as harshly.

    The question should really be how, not why, since we and the world around us already exist; an adequate answer to why create something not up to par may as well be, why not? “The human brain cannot deal with the question of ultimate origin”- Fred Reed.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    St Paul stated the matter of God rather eloquently I think. "If you understand it it is not God.,if you do not understand it it is God." Any human being attempting to explain God is on a fruitless venture, but we seem to have thousands of would be preachers who try to do so. Try to lead a blameless life and you will not be judged harshly is about all the religion one needs.
  39. @EastKekistani

    So you think by meekly stating “I’m not a white supremacist” they are going to just leave us alone?
     
    That's almost on par with docile fellahs in China. No, that can't work.

    Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an “unperson” and go underground is when they become dangerous.
     

    We wish you guys the best. If you want a race war that does not involve the NE Asian race I don't give a shit. The scenario about China invading Russia won't happen, nor will the nuking of NE Asia simply because we actually have nukes. Instead we will just sit in our NE Asian metropolises such as Beijing, Seoul and Singapore while watching the race war online and on TV.

    Asians weren’t really talked about in the book, nor were Muslims. Focused on blacks Mexicans and puerto Ricans (written in the 1970s).

    But neither Asians nor muslims will be accepted in the ethno state. That said, I have nothing against them, they have to go back to China and other places.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    No problem. We can't really remain indefinitely anyway because we are scared of blacks and mestizos. To us both WN and lack of WN mean we have to move away sooner or later. I would rather prefer WN because I think NE Asian interests are more aligned with white interests compared with black or mestizo ones. We can at least trade with and travel in a WN country while mestizo countries are fairly useless.

    Moreover NE Asia is increasingly rich. Once China and North Korea become democracies why would people even want to immigrate to the (increasingly black and mestizo) West any more? Japanese people already don't. They like to visit America on a vacation and then go home because Japan rocks.

    I'm really just here to avoid the erratic Xi regime now. Otherwise who wants to live in a place that is more and more like Mexico? Definitely not 50 years later if it actually becomes North Mexico.

    , @Talha

    nor muslims will be accepted in the ethno state.
     
    (Thumbs up!!!) Let’s make it happen folks!

    Peace.
  40. @Audacious Epigone
    The increasing false characterization of whites (and non-whites!) as "white supremacists", etc is vicious. The intention is to dehumanize large swaths of people with the objective of normalizing harassing, deplatforming, firing, physically attacking and even killing them. It has to stop.

    “It has to stop.”

    There is an othering of whites phenomenon taking place in Western countries. Much of it is driven by progressive (Maoist) whites in advantaged positions in culture and the public sector. It is worrying, especially if one has white children.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  41. @Audacious Epigone
    Schoolmarm disapproves of "white trash".

    Schoolmarm disapproves of “white trash”.

    I recommend: White Trash. The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America by N. Isenberg

    I didn’t do an actual count, but she must catalogue 101 names for white trash.

  42. “A white nationalist, defined as “one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy”

    Who defined this?
    Why were they allowed to?
    Why should anybody follow their diktats?

    I am a white nationalist by which I mean whites should have their own countries because they know best what is best for them and their culture. And ditto blacks etc etc.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    That strikes me as a perfectly sensible position on the left's own terms. If reparations are owed and white privilege is something every white person is saturated in by merely being white, why wouldn't the argument be to give non-white groups their own places away from white depredation? To the response that systematic racism has set them back X years/X amount should come a process for understanding how much is owed and giving it to them.
  43. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Asians weren't really talked about in the book, nor were Muslims. Focused on blacks Mexicans and puerto Ricans (written in the 1970s).

    But neither Asians nor muslims will be accepted in the ethno state. That said, I have nothing against them, they have to go back to China and other places.

    No problem. We can’t really remain indefinitely anyway because we are scared of blacks and mestizos. To us both WN and lack of WN mean we have to move away sooner or later. I would rather prefer WN because I think NE Asian interests are more aligned with white interests compared with black or mestizo ones. We can at least trade with and travel in a WN country while mestizo countries are fairly useless.

    Moreover NE Asia is increasingly rich. Once China and North Korea become democracies why would people even want to immigrate to the (increasingly black and mestizo) West any more? Japanese people already don’t. They like to visit America on a vacation and then go home because Japan rocks.

    I’m really just here to avoid the erratic Xi regime now. Otherwise who wants to live in a place that is more and more like Mexico? Definitely not 50 years later if it actually becomes North Mexico.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Once China and North Korea become democracies

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you are just here to hold up the left side of the curve for NE Asians.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    NE Asian interests are more aligned with white interests compared with black or mestizo ones.
     
    In my ideal world, Asians stay in Asia and are left to their own devices. None of my business how they run things.

    Tourism and cultural exchanges should be permitted, the latter on a much smaller scale than now. Drug smugglers will be executed by firing squad.

    Trade is fine too, we just have to get rid of idiot globalists who will destroy the country's economic base to get cheaper shit from China. Top scientists and universities should work together.

    Moreover NE Asia is increasingly rich.
     
    https://twitter.com/ericfish85/status/1116360384141844480?s=19

    Hopefully this happens with everybody.

    Overall it's better for everyone to stay in their own borders. To Asians, it's best to not have kids in the West and see them become degenerates. To WNs, we need to rebuild our homelands without a hostile asian influence trying to take over.
  44. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Asians weren't really talked about in the book, nor were Muslims. Focused on blacks Mexicans and puerto Ricans (written in the 1970s).

    But neither Asians nor muslims will be accepted in the ethno state. That said, I have nothing against them, they have to go back to China and other places.

    nor muslims will be accepted in the ethno state.

    (Thumbs up!!!) Let’s make it happen folks!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It's best for Muslims and best for us. Islam will never be compatible with us, and vice versa. As I've said before, I have no hatred against Muslims, but they belong in their own countries.

    There's quite a few Muslims in my classes. Can I say they're bad people? Not at all. In fact they seem like quite decent people. But they're just odd, and from an alien culture that shouldn't be mixed in with us. I'm sure they think the same thing of me.

    Oil and water will never mix.

  45. A white nationalist, defined as “one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation”.

    AE clearly knows very little about white nationalism, so feels the need to accept the (((media’s))) characterization and virtue signal a little. WN is only “militant” in the sense that we believe white racial interests are non-negotiable and we don’t shy away from the Jewish question. We’re only “supremacist” in the sense that we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations. This is evinced by history and current events.

    The nations we create are clearly better than everyone else’s. Otherwise, the third world wouldn’t be dying to come.

    The gene combinations and gene frequencies that gave rise to European man and the West are now under assault like never before by mass immigration, interracial dating and marriage and childlessness by white women. Extreme measures may be needed to reverse this trend.

    We have no desire to rule over or dominate any non-white people. We believe Western nations are homelands for whites who founded and built them although I’m not opposed to non-white minorities totalling about no more than 5% with limited rights. East Asians and third world nations jealously guard their borders and ethnic balances yet if whites wish to do it they are castigated as white supremacists and Nazis.

    Non-whites have homelands that in some cases they’ve wrecked. Therefore, they shouldn’t come to ours to spread the misery, engage in welfare parasitism, and to vote against and victimize whites. They need to fix their own nations like we’ve fixed ours when needed.

    • Replies: @iffen
    we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations. This is evinced by history and current events.

    And you created the Great Awokening. Does hoisted ring a bell?
  46. @EastKekistani
    No problem. We can't really remain indefinitely anyway because we are scared of blacks and mestizos. To us both WN and lack of WN mean we have to move away sooner or later. I would rather prefer WN because I think NE Asian interests are more aligned with white interests compared with black or mestizo ones. We can at least trade with and travel in a WN country while mestizo countries are fairly useless.

    Moreover NE Asia is increasingly rich. Once China and North Korea become democracies why would people even want to immigrate to the (increasingly black and mestizo) West any more? Japanese people already don't. They like to visit America on a vacation and then go home because Japan rocks.

    I'm really just here to avoid the erratic Xi regime now. Otherwise who wants to live in a place that is more and more like Mexico? Definitely not 50 years later if it actually becomes North Mexico.

    Once China and North Korea become democracies

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you are just here to hold up the left side of the curve for NE Asians.

  47. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    The increasing false characterization of whites (and non-whites!) as "white supremacists", etc is vicious. The intention is to dehumanize large swaths of people with the objective of normalizing harassing, deplatforming, firing, physically attacking and even killing them. It has to stop.

    And yet you seem to be accepting that Jewy definition of white nationalism like it’s not a big deal.

    Don’t you get it? Describing white nationalism as a virulent form of white supremacism is a deliberate ploy to criminalise white nationalism in white nations. It’s meant to mute, gag, and ultimately imprison all natural immune reactions in our homelands.

    • Replies: @216
    For the length of the XXI century, the far-right has been more violent and anti-social than the far-left. In much of Europe from 1945 into the late 1990s, there were various far-left terror groups strongly or loosely aligned with the USSR. IRA, ETA, RAF. There were also smaller organizations like the Weathermen that existed in the US.

    In the present time, far-left terrorism is practically non-existent except for one lone Boomer who targeted GOP Congressmen. Radical greens and animal rights terror seems to have dropped off the radar, and their main target was property. Even the two BLM attacks on cops pale in comparison to the widespread rioting of the 1960s.

    Fringe politics attracts unstable individuals, and the far-right has created an echo chamber where social status is derived from higher amounts of edgeposting. We can also account for the sausage fest nature of the far-right (somewhat common to all extremist politics). Some toxic assets cannot be economically rehabilitated.

    You cannot out-logic the Megaphone. At best you catch it lying and some more people drift away.

    Rather than autistically screech about Hitler, focus on community building. Try to avoid all interaction with journalists, instead of promoting those who bask in media coverage.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Right. The question they won't answer becomes what to call the desire for a people to have self-determination. Not supremacy, not exploitation, just the freedom to organize societies for themselves and their posterity. They have to pretend that such a question is nothing more than cover for a desire to dominate.
  48. @Audacious Epigone
    Agree that partition/political dissolution is both likely and desirable. The marriage is broken, our differences irreconcilable.

    Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable. We see it at work in public settings. There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable."

    If this is a reference to breaking up the US, then I have a problem with it. First who gets where? for sake of argument, I'll go by the suggested borders I've seen. Whites basically get the Montana Territory and the Dakotas? Strategically terrible. Totally landlocked. Likely surrounded by enemies. No access to ports. Must pay our enemies tariffs to import/export. Plenty of fossil fuels but limited farmland.

    Next - we have already established that blacks are incapable of maintaining much of anything, let alone a country. So valuable land (southeast I suppose) is going to be handed to a group of people that cannot manage it, so the white country will share a border with best case, a North Korea, and worst case, a Liberia. What, exactly, leads anyone to believe that people from a country like that will not be attempting to sneak into the white country and or just invade in an effort to obtain basic necessities to survive?

    The west coast will, for all intents and purposes, become North Mexico, and what stops the hordes of their mestizo underclass from illegally entering the white country, if not threat of violence?

    The East will be the progressive utopia, right up until it isn't, but in the meantime, is this country that will be made up of raging SJW leftist lunatics and the bulk of the coalition of the fringes, somehow NOT going to be a hostile enemy to the white country?

    Someone help me out here, because all this talk of peaceful partition or whatever seems more like all the whites jumping into a barrel so they may be easier to shoot at.

    No, my friends, I see absolutely no benefit to voluntarily surrendering some of the most beautiful and bountiful land in the world, to groups of people who would squander and destroy it, only to continue to come after the whites who left to be with their own.


    "There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives."

    And only for other people, not for themselves.
  49. @KenH

    A white nationalist, defined as “one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation”.
     
    AE clearly knows very little about white nationalism, so feels the need to accept the (((media's))) characterization and virtue signal a little. WN is only "militant" in the sense that we believe white racial interests are non-negotiable and we don't shy away from the Jewish question. We're only "supremacist" in the sense that we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations. This is evinced by history and current events.

    The nations we create are clearly better than everyone else's. Otherwise, the third world wouldn't be dying to come.

    The gene combinations and gene frequencies that gave rise to European man and the West are now under assault like never before by mass immigration, interracial dating and marriage and childlessness by white women. Extreme measures may be needed to reverse this trend.

    We have no desire to rule over or dominate any non-white people. We believe Western nations are homelands for whites who founded and built them although I'm not opposed to non-white minorities totalling about no more than 5% with limited rights. East Asians and third world nations jealously guard their borders and ethnic balances yet if whites wish to do it they are castigated as white supremacists and Nazis.

    Non-whites have homelands that in some cases they've wrecked. Therefore, they shouldn't come to ours to spread the misery, engage in welfare parasitism, and to vote against and victimize whites. They need to fix their own nations like we've fixed ours when needed.

    we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations. This is evinced by history and current events.

    And you created the Great Awokening. Does hoisted ring a bell?

    • Replies: @KenH

    And you created the Great Awokening.
     
    No, your (((ethnic kinsmen))) did. There would be no "great awokening" if not for Jewish control of the media and university with their fake news and fake history. Fake = anti-white
  50. @EastKekistani
    No problem. We can't really remain indefinitely anyway because we are scared of blacks and mestizos. To us both WN and lack of WN mean we have to move away sooner or later. I would rather prefer WN because I think NE Asian interests are more aligned with white interests compared with black or mestizo ones. We can at least trade with and travel in a WN country while mestizo countries are fairly useless.

    Moreover NE Asia is increasingly rich. Once China and North Korea become democracies why would people even want to immigrate to the (increasingly black and mestizo) West any more? Japanese people already don't. They like to visit America on a vacation and then go home because Japan rocks.

    I'm really just here to avoid the erratic Xi regime now. Otherwise who wants to live in a place that is more and more like Mexico? Definitely not 50 years later if it actually becomes North Mexico.

    NE Asian interests are more aligned with white interests compared with black or mestizo ones.

    In my ideal world, Asians stay in Asia and are left to their own devices. None of my business how they run things.

    Tourism and cultural exchanges should be permitted, the latter on a much smaller scale than now. Drug smugglers will be executed by firing squad.

    Trade is fine too, we just have to get rid of idiot globalists who will destroy the country’s economic base to get cheaper shit from China. Top scientists and universities should work together.

    Moreover NE Asia is increasingly rich.

    Hopefully this happens with everybody.

    Overall it’s better for everyone to stay in their own borders. To Asians, it’s best to not have kids in the West and see them become degenerates. To WNs, we need to rebuild our homelands without a hostile asian influence trying to take over.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    In my ideal world, Asians stay in Asia and are left to their own devices. None of my business how they run things.

    Tourism and cultural exchanges should be permitted, the latter on a much smaller scale than now. Drug smugglers will be executed by firing squad.

    Trade is fine too, we just have to get rid of idiot globalists who will destroy the country’s economic base to get cheaper shit from China. Top scientists and universities should work together.
     

    Cool! This is also something I support.

    Hopefully this happens with everybody.
     

    Not blacks. I know we disagree on this one but that's fine.

    Overall it’s better for everyone to stay in their own borders. To Asians, it’s best to not have kids in the West and see them become degenerates. To WNs, we need to rebuild our homelands without a hostile asian influence trying to take over.
     
    Well, we can't (as in not have the ability to) really take over because we are fairly cucked. Our strategy is essentially the strategy of Jews. In the age where social unity is increasingly important that won't work at all. So yes commies are retarded if they think they can conquer the West.
  51. @Talha

    nor muslims will be accepted in the ethno state.
     
    (Thumbs up!!!) Let’s make it happen folks!

    Peace.

    It’s best for Muslims and best for us. Islam will never be compatible with us, and vice versa. As I’ve said before, I have no hatred against Muslims, but they belong in their own countries.

    There’s quite a few Muslims in my classes. Can I say they’re bad people? Not at all. In fact they seem like quite decent people. But they’re just odd, and from an alien culture that shouldn’t be mixed in with us. I’m sure they think the same thing of me.

    Oil and water will never mix.

    • Replies: @Talha

    Islam will never be compatible with us, and vice versa.
     
    If you are talking “Whites” in general then this is simply opinion which I need not take seriously. The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:
    “But when I entered the chapels and listened to the ministers, the regeneration I sought didn’t happen. Christian voices sounded all too agreeable and compromising. I wanted something stronger, something that didn’t bargain with secularism. I found it in Islam.”
    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2019/05/why-i-became-muslim

    However, if you are talking White ethno-nationalists that want a pure ethno-state, then yes, it is both in your interests and in the overall interests of Islam that it is banned within those borders. Everyone has their definitions of blasphemy and it would be hypocritical of me to demand that others can’t have theirs.

    Peace.
  52. @iffen
    we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations. This is evinced by history and current events.

    And you created the Great Awokening. Does hoisted ring a bell?

    And you created the Great Awokening.

    No, your (((ethnic kinsmen))) did. There would be no “great awokening” if not for Jewish control of the media and university with their fake news and fake history. Fake = anti-white

    • Replies: @iffen
    we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations

    Apparently not high enough to defend against fake news and history.

    I actually believe that )))we((( did all that stuff [highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations] with a big assist from (((them))).
  53. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It's best for Muslims and best for us. Islam will never be compatible with us, and vice versa. As I've said before, I have no hatred against Muslims, but they belong in their own countries.

    There's quite a few Muslims in my classes. Can I say they're bad people? Not at all. In fact they seem like quite decent people. But they're just odd, and from an alien culture that shouldn't be mixed in with us. I'm sure they think the same thing of me.

    Oil and water will never mix.

    Islam will never be compatible with us, and vice versa.

    If you are talking “Whites” in general then this is simply opinion which I need not take seriously. The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:
    “But when I entered the chapels and listened to the ministers, the regeneration I sought didn’t happen. Christian voices sounded all too agreeable and compromising. I wanted something stronger, something that didn’t bargain with secularism. I found it in Islam.”
    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2019/05/why-i-became-muslim

    However, if you are talking White ethno-nationalists that want a pure ethno-state, then yes, it is both in your interests and in the overall interests of Islam that it is banned within those borders. Everyone has their definitions of blasphemy and it would be hypocritical of me to demand that others can’t have theirs.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    If you are talking “Whites” in general

    Western Civilization

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.

    See: Iran, Iraq, Gaza, SA, the country of your ancestors, etc., etc.

    , @KenH

    The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:
     
    The number of white converts is quite tiny. I could easily post stories of Muslims who left Islam, were highly critical of it and/or converted to Christianity, too. That doesn't make Christianity truer any more than your article about one Western convert makes Islam truer or better than Christianity.

    I will say that Islam at least stands for something and refuses remake itself in the image of all the new social justice fads and movements. It also fights back when it feels it's being attacked. I can respect that a great deal.

    Christianity has lost its vigor and tries to please too many people, especially its mortal enemies, and as a result it pleases no one.

  54. @KenH

    And you created the Great Awokening.
     
    No, your (((ethnic kinsmen))) did. There would be no "great awokening" if not for Jewish control of the media and university with their fake news and fake history. Fake = anti-white

    we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations

    Apparently not high enough to defend against fake news and history.

    I actually believe that )))we((( did all that stuff [highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations] with a big assist from (((them))).

    • Replies: @Michael S
    This is one of the problems that WNs are unwilling or unable to address. They'll claim that [Ashkenazi] Jewish intelligence/IQ is a lie, that Jews really only succeed because of their ingroup preference; and then in the same breath claim that such a tiny minority of people somehow brainwashed half the white people in the country, a feat that not even the most brilliant European kings and conquerors were able to achieve with that level of success.

    Which is it? Are Jews just a moderately-intelligent, highly-nepotistic ethnic group, like high-caste Indians or Arabs, or are they devils with superpowers able to mind-control populations 50 times their size? Or are WNs saying that Jews accomplish this in spite of not being that smart, implying that white gentiles are unique in their simple-mindedness and naivete?

    Or perhaps it is neither, and Jews are like any other market-dominant minority, and the Anglo-American Empire is going through the exact same cosmopolitan stage of the exact same civilizational cycle that every other great empire has gone through. But that's not as emotionally-satisfying an explanation as the childish Marxist theories.
  55. @Talha

    Islam will never be compatible with us, and vice versa.
     
    If you are talking “Whites” in general then this is simply opinion which I need not take seriously. The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:
    “But when I entered the chapels and listened to the ministers, the regeneration I sought didn’t happen. Christian voices sounded all too agreeable and compromising. I wanted something stronger, something that didn’t bargain with secularism. I found it in Islam.”
    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2019/05/why-i-became-muslim

    However, if you are talking White ethno-nationalists that want a pure ethno-state, then yes, it is both in your interests and in the overall interests of Islam that it is banned within those borders. Everyone has their definitions of blasphemy and it would be hypocritical of me to demand that others can’t have theirs.

    Peace.

    If you are talking “Whites” in general

    Western Civilization

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.

    See: Iran, Iraq, Gaza, SA, the country of your ancestors, etc., etc.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.
     
    The current one..assume that you will actually defend it more than what Greco-Romans did to defend theirs because Islam is more organized than and is much better at norm policing compared to Christianity. Otherwise I won't be surprised if white MGTOWs and incels begin to convert to Islam not because they believe Islam is correct but simply because they want benefits of a semi-minority status and a stable marriage. In fact I have already heard of atheist and agnostic incels joking about nominally converting to Islam for wives back in 2013.

    Of course unlike what Muslims think whether Islam is dominant has nothing to do with whether it is factually accurate. The Islam of Rashidun Caliphate for example was strong while the Islam of late Abbasid Caliphate and during some periods in Moorish Spain was weak. It's not about religion. Instead it is about social organization.

    , @216
    I've pointed out before that the West has no concept that Russia/China have of a "patriotic Muslim" minority (Tatar/Hui). There may be individual Muslims in the West with this mindset, but they aren't a cohesive group.

    Part of it may be that China/Russia project the image of a "strong horse" better, while the West is currently a horse weakened by liberalism that invities only contempt. It's not hard for many Muslims to imagine that they will one day be the majority in the West via breeding, after which there will be a cascade of white converts.

    I'm increasingly wary of making such absolutist statements, while I might agree with it emotionally, our movements need all the help we can get. Muslims willing to mouth patrotic sentiments act as a useful counterbalance against GayPride. They also spur the Christian clergy to act in a more conservative and patriarchal manner, lest they lose their flock.
    , @Talha
    I will generally agree with that given the trajectory Western Civilization has taken. That’s why the people like the brother who wrote the article is jumping ship for a new boat.

    My point still stands about Whites.

    Peace.
  56. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    NE Asian interests are more aligned with white interests compared with black or mestizo ones.
     
    In my ideal world, Asians stay in Asia and are left to their own devices. None of my business how they run things.

    Tourism and cultural exchanges should be permitted, the latter on a much smaller scale than now. Drug smugglers will be executed by firing squad.

    Trade is fine too, we just have to get rid of idiot globalists who will destroy the country's economic base to get cheaper shit from China. Top scientists and universities should work together.

    Moreover NE Asia is increasingly rich.
     
    https://twitter.com/ericfish85/status/1116360384141844480?s=19

    Hopefully this happens with everybody.

    Overall it's better for everyone to stay in their own borders. To Asians, it's best to not have kids in the West and see them become degenerates. To WNs, we need to rebuild our homelands without a hostile asian influence trying to take over.

    In my ideal world, Asians stay in Asia and are left to their own devices. None of my business how they run things.

    Tourism and cultural exchanges should be permitted, the latter on a much smaller scale than now. Drug smugglers will be executed by firing squad.

    Trade is fine too, we just have to get rid of idiot globalists who will destroy the country’s economic base to get cheaper shit from China. Top scientists and universities should work together.

    Cool! This is also something I support.

    Hopefully this happens with everybody.

    Not blacks. I know we disagree on this one but that’s fine.

    Overall it’s better for everyone to stay in their own borders. To Asians, it’s best to not have kids in the West and see them become degenerates. To WNs, we need to rebuild our homelands without a hostile asian influence trying to take over.

    Well, we can’t (as in not have the ability to) really take over because we are fairly cucked. Our strategy is essentially the strategy of Jews. In the age where social unity is increasingly important that won’t work at all. So yes commies are retarded if they think they can conquer the West.

  57. @EastKekistani

    In the real world, white nationalists want normal white people to flourish securely in their own countries, so this make white nationalism a kind of pro-white humanism.

    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.
     
    White Nationalism is as legitimate as NE Asian nationalism. Hence it is inherently legitimate.

    In the media/academic narrative, which is what the vast majority of people rely on, White Nationalism is indistinguishable with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism.

    This narrative is not alterable without the use of state power.

    My goal is a “white identity politics” based on the Singapore/Israel model.

    I’d call it a “constitutional fascism” qua “democratic socialism”. But the term “fascist” is unviable and too militaristic for my taste. So I prefer “sovereigntist”, which is what Quebec nationalists call themselves (souveranisme)

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    In the media/academic narrative, which is what the vast majority of people rely on, White Nationalism is indistinguishable with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism.
     
    In fact this does not really matter to me. As long as people don't push for an ethnoglobe or something similar, that is, plans that include extermination of NE Asian people which will be very costly because we have a lot of nukes and other WMD I don't in fact give a shit.

    Even if you want to genocide Latin America for example it is none of my business as long as the Japanese, Chinese and Korean folks get out and get their property out before it.


    My goal is a “white identity politics” based on the Singapore/Israel model.

    I’d call it a “constitutional fascism” qua “democratic socialism”. But the term “fascist” is unviable and too militaristic for my taste. So I prefer “sovereigntist”, which is what Quebec nationalists call themselves (souveranisme)
     

    That's cool! Good luck! I think it works at least in the New World.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    There are leading Democrat pols openly celebrating identity politics, Stacey Abrams being the most salient example at the moment, so "white identity politics" may be the best tact to take. As you correctly point out, "white nationalism" is a 'toxic' phrase in large part due to the fact that "black nationalism" is similarly toxic. But "identity politics" is not, so it's a tougher rhetorical sell to argue that identity politics for whites is inherently evil. I suppose the response will be that non-white identity politics never led to anything bad (imperial Japan?!) while white identity politics = Hitler.
  58. @iffen
    If you are talking “Whites” in general

    Western Civilization

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.

    See: Iran, Iraq, Gaza, SA, the country of your ancestors, etc., etc.

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.

    The current one..assume that you will actually defend it more than what Greco-Romans did to defend theirs because Islam is more organized than and is much better at norm policing compared to Christianity. Otherwise I won’t be surprised if white MGTOWs and incels begin to convert to Islam not because they believe Islam is correct but simply because they want benefits of a semi-minority status and a stable marriage. In fact I have already heard of atheist and agnostic incels joking about nominally converting to Islam for wives back in 2013.

    Of course unlike what Muslims think whether Islam is dominant has nothing to do with whether it is factually accurate. The Islam of Rashidun Caliphate for example was strong while the Islam of late Abbasid Caliphate and during some periods in Moorish Spain was weak. It’s not about religion. Instead it is about social organization.

    • Replies: @Talha

    not because they believe Islam is correct but simply because they want benefits of a semi-minority status and a stable marriage
     
    This kind of thing is common in Islamic history (Nicolas Nassir Taleb wrote about it). The religion codifies giving material and social incentives for conversion. Then their next generation becomes more sincere than the original batch of converts, this has been happening for centuries.

    Actually, before it was abrogated, one of the people that zakat could be given to were those on the fence about converting.

    You get sincere guys like the one who wrote the article and you also get incels that need an auntie to hook them up with a partner that they had zero chance of finding in the “meat market”.

    Peace.

  59. Apparently not high enough to defend against fake news and history.

    Trump’s election was a rebuke to the fake news industry kikes who threw everything they had at him and failed. It is literally driving them into a frothing at the mouth rage because their spell has finally been broken.

    There was a large and growing internet subculture dedicated to combatting fake news and furthering white racial interests, but you (((people))) freaked out and are, with ADL and SPLC pressure, censoring and deplatforming those sources because we’re convincingly winning the argument and gaining adherents to our cause.

    • Troll: 216
    • Replies: @iffen
    Trump’s election was a rebuke to the fake news industry kikes who threw everything they had at him and failed. It is literally driving them into a frothing at the mouth rage

    True

    their spell has finally been broken.

    Hope springs eternal.

    freaked out and are, with ADL and SPLC pressure, censoring and deplatforming those sources

    True

    because we’re convincingly winning the argument and gaining adherents to our cause.

    Hope springs eternal.
  60. @iffen
    The adversaries of white nationalism owe us the due diligence of stating explicitly and up front why they oppose the perfectly reasonable goal of white flourishing.

    First, you are making an a priori assertion that white people can only flourish if they are separated from non-whites. Reality and history defeat this assertion.

    More to your point, it depends upon where one draws one’s group boundaries. My group is all Americans. So by definition I can’t be in favor of white nationalism.

    Totally agree. But at the same time, in any sane society negroes would probably pay a surcharge to rent cars, among other things.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6917989/Drinking-speeding-contributed-couples-fatal-car-crash-Dominican-Republic.html

    • Replies: @iffen
    any sane society

    Can't say that I would go there, but your point is valid.

    Are teenage boys still surcharged for car insurance vs. teenage girls?
    , @Hibernian
    When I visited NYC in 2003, Brooklyn and Bronx residents were forbidden from renting cars from the outlet, in Manhattan, that I rented from. There were surcharges for Queens and Manhattan, none for Staten Island or anywhere else. This was a branch of a well known national chain; I forget which one.
  61. @216
    In the media/academic narrative, which is what the vast majority of people rely on, White Nationalism is indistinguishable with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism.

    This narrative is not alterable without the use of state power.

    My goal is a "white identity politics" based on the Singapore/Israel model.

    I'd call it a "constitutional fascism" qua "democratic socialism". But the term "fascist" is unviable and too militaristic for my taste. So I prefer "sovereigntist", which is what Quebec nationalists call themselves (souveranisme)

    In the media/academic narrative, which is what the vast majority of people rely on, White Nationalism is indistinguishable with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism.

    In fact this does not really matter to me. As long as people don’t push for an ethnoglobe or something similar, that is, plans that include extermination of NE Asian people which will be very costly because we have a lot of nukes and other WMD I don’t in fact give a shit.

    Even if you want to genocide Latin America for example it is none of my business as long as the Japanese, Chinese and Korean folks get out and get their property out before it.

    My goal is a “white identity politics” based on the Singapore/Israel model.

    I’d call it a “constitutional fascism” qua “democratic socialism”. But the term “fascist” is unviable and too militaristic for my taste. So I prefer “sovereigntist”, which is what Quebec nationalists call themselves (souveranisme)

    That’s cool! Good luck! I think it works at least in the New World.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The vast majority of whites are never going to be able to express indifference to genocide. It is, unironically, not who we are.
  62. @iffen
    If you are talking “Whites” in general

    Western Civilization

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.

    See: Iran, Iraq, Gaza, SA, the country of your ancestors, etc., etc.

    I’ve pointed out before that the West has no concept that Russia/China have of a “patriotic Muslim” minority (Tatar/Hui). There may be individual Muslims in the West with this mindset, but they aren’t a cohesive group.

    Part of it may be that China/Russia project the image of a “strong horse” better, while the West is currently a horse weakened by liberalism that invities only contempt. It’s not hard for many Muslims to imagine that they will one day be the majority in the West via breeding, after which there will be a cascade of white converts.

    I’m increasingly wary of making such absolutist statements, while I might agree with it emotionally, our movements need all the help we can get. Muslims willing to mouth patrotic sentiments act as a useful counterbalance against GayPride. They also spur the Christian clergy to act in a more conservative and patriarchal manner, lest they lose their flock.

    • Replies: @iffen
    There may be individual Muslims in the West with this mindset, but they aren’t a cohesive group.

    Are you trying to tell me that Talha is one of a kind?

    our movements

    Who is this "our" of whom you speak, Kemo Sabe?

  63. @iffen
    If you are talking “Whites” in general

    Western Civilization

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.

    See: Iran, Iraq, Gaza, SA, the country of your ancestors, etc., etc.

    I will generally agree with that given the trajectory Western Civilization has taken. That’s why the people like the brother who wrote the article is jumping ship for a new boat.

    My point still stands about Whites.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    given the trajectory Western Civilization has taken

    Blip. A blip. You are a smart man, Talha, you know what a blip is.
  64. @KenH

    Apparently not high enough to defend against fake news and history.
     
    Trump's election was a rebuke to the fake news industry kikes who threw everything they had at him and failed. It is literally driving them into a frothing at the mouth rage because their spell has finally been broken.

    There was a large and growing internet subculture dedicated to combatting fake news and furthering white racial interests, but you (((people))) freaked out and are, with ADL and SPLC pressure, censoring and deplatforming those sources because we're convincingly winning the argument and gaining adherents to our cause.

    Trump’s election was a rebuke to the fake news industry kikes who threw everything they had at him and failed. It is literally driving them into a frothing at the mouth rage

    True

    their spell has finally been broken.

    Hope springs eternal.

    freaked out and are, with ADL and SPLC pressure, censoring and deplatforming those sources

    True

    because we’re convincingly winning the argument and gaining adherents to our cause.

    Hope springs eternal.

    • Replies: @KenH

    Hope springs eternal.
     
    Let's hope so because right now the only things springing eternal are censorship and deplatforming.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Nah he is correct. The "alt right" grew out of nothing, and exploded in popularity somewhere around 2016. The internet was the cause. I started on anti-SJW videos and then came across r/the_donald on the front page of reddit. Now I'm here.

    Since 2017 they have successfully slowed its growth by de-platforming and/or discrediting individuals. The first was Milo, I believe, just before CPAC 2017. This tactic has been somewhat effective, and they're continuing to drill down.

    That said, it hasn't been stopped. I'm not sure it really can be stopped at this point. Quiet conversations between whites that were completely unacceptable 4 years ago now happen all the time. Especially among young white men. The awakening is real, it's the Boomers and nice white ladies and single white women that are the cancer.

    After Charlottesville, the organizational piece has been really destroyed. So whites are waking up every day, but are more isolated. This hinders growth but does not stop it. I really think we would be doing much better, had Unite the Right not been such a shitshow.
  65. @Talha

    Islam will never be compatible with us, and vice versa.
     
    If you are talking “Whites” in general then this is simply opinion which I need not take seriously. The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:
    “But when I entered the chapels and listened to the ministers, the regeneration I sought didn’t happen. Christian voices sounded all too agreeable and compromising. I wanted something stronger, something that didn’t bargain with secularism. I found it in Islam.”
    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2019/05/why-i-became-muslim

    However, if you are talking White ethno-nationalists that want a pure ethno-state, then yes, it is both in your interests and in the overall interests of Islam that it is banned within those borders. Everyone has their definitions of blasphemy and it would be hypocritical of me to demand that others can’t have theirs.

    Peace.

    The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:

    The number of white converts is quite tiny. I could easily post stories of Muslims who left Islam, were highly critical of it and/or converted to Christianity, too. That doesn’t make Christianity truer any more than your article about one Western convert makes Islam truer or better than Christianity.

    I will say that Islam at least stands for something and refuses remake itself in the image of all the new social justice fads and movements. It also fights back when it feels it’s being attacked. I can respect that a great deal.

    Christianity has lost its vigor and tries to please too many people, especially its mortal enemies, and as a result it pleases no one.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    The number of converts usually has nothing to do with whether a religion is factually accurate. Whether it is plausible certainly is a factor but so are social factors such as social unity, social status and coercion.

    Christianity is currently essentially a religion of fellahs from a Spenglerian point of view. So is Judaism. Islam on the other hand is currently a religion of warriors. These are not that dependent on the doctrines of the religions. Instead they are dependent on the dominant believers in the religions.

    For example Buddhism existed and still exists in both China and Japan. Buddhism in China was and is a religion if fellahs incapable of enforcing any social norm. On the other hand Buddhism in Japan was a religion of warriors capable of enforcing social norms. The difference here is not about the Buddhist religion. Instead it is about the societies of China and Japan.

    This is why converting to Islam can not uncuck a people that much. Mamluk-ruled Egyptians, Persians and Dungans (i.e. Han Chinese Muslims aka the Hui) remained cucked fellahs even though they converted to Islam while Gurkhas and Sikhs remain uncucked despite not being Muslim.

    , @Talha

    I could easily post stories of Muslims who left Islam, were highly critical of it and/or converted to Christianity, too
     
    The problem is, the vast majority are not becoming Christian. As Pew reported, only about 1 out of 5 apostates become Christians, the rest become atheists...and usually go super-poz.

    That doesn’t make Christianity truer any more than your article about one Western convert makes Islam truer or better than Christianity.
     
    That was not my point. What I posted has nothing to do with whether Islam is true, simply that Westerners (including Whites) are indeed converting. And those guys are having kids.

    Christianity has lost its vigor and tries to please too many people, especially its mortal enemies, and as a result it pleases no one.
     
    That’s exactly what that brother said in the article. It’s also what I’ve heard from other converts - according to Pew, we get about 75% of our converts from Christianity and they generally seem to be opting out of the direction modern society is going.

    Peace.
  66. @Meretricious
    Totally agree. But at the same time, in any sane society negroes would probably pay a surcharge to rent cars, among other things.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6917989/Drinking-speeding-contributed-couples-fatal-car-crash-Dominican-Republic.html

    any sane society

    Can’t say that I would go there, but your point is valid.

    Are teenage boys still surcharged for car insurance vs. teenage girls?

  67. @iffen
    Trump’s election was a rebuke to the fake news industry kikes who threw everything they had at him and failed. It is literally driving them into a frothing at the mouth rage

    True

    their spell has finally been broken.

    Hope springs eternal.

    freaked out and are, with ADL and SPLC pressure, censoring and deplatforming those sources

    True

    because we’re convincingly winning the argument and gaining adherents to our cause.

    Hope springs eternal.

    Hope springs eternal.

    Let’s hope so because right now the only things springing eternal are censorship and deplatforming.

  68. @Talha
    I will generally agree with that given the trajectory Western Civilization has taken. That’s why the people like the brother who wrote the article is jumping ship for a new boat.

    My point still stands about Whites.

    Peace.

    given the trajectory Western Civilization has taken

    Blip. A blip. You are a smart man, Talha, you know what a blip is.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    It is not a blip. Instead it really looks like cultural decline not very different from late Roman Republic to me. I'm sorry. America may not have enough social unity left to remain a Republic any more. What kind of social norms both the left and the right agree on is even more important than what they quarrel about. From the late Obama era to the Trump era I could see that both sides are violating more and more norms. making politics increasingly brutal. If this isn't stopped the end game is Ceasarism.
    , @Talha
    If it were so. This is the trajectory at this point into the foreseeable future...what is going to change the vector? “Progress” is baked into the cake of Western Civilization at this point - it’s pride and joy - the only debate I see is on what aspect of society/life that word relates to.

    Peace.
  69. @KenH

    The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:
     
    The number of white converts is quite tiny. I could easily post stories of Muslims who left Islam, were highly critical of it and/or converted to Christianity, too. That doesn't make Christianity truer any more than your article about one Western convert makes Islam truer or better than Christianity.

    I will say that Islam at least stands for something and refuses remake itself in the image of all the new social justice fads and movements. It also fights back when it feels it's being attacked. I can respect that a great deal.

    Christianity has lost its vigor and tries to please too many people, especially its mortal enemies, and as a result it pleases no one.

    The number of converts usually has nothing to do with whether a religion is factually accurate. Whether it is plausible certainly is a factor but so are social factors such as social unity, social status and coercion.

    Christianity is currently essentially a religion of fellahs from a Spenglerian point of view. So is Judaism. Islam on the other hand is currently a religion of warriors. These are not that dependent on the doctrines of the religions. Instead they are dependent on the dominant believers in the religions.

    For example Buddhism existed and still exists in both China and Japan. Buddhism in China was and is a religion if fellahs incapable of enforcing any social norm. On the other hand Buddhism in Japan was a religion of warriors capable of enforcing social norms. The difference here is not about the Buddhist religion. Instead it is about the societies of China and Japan.

    This is why converting to Islam can not uncuck a people that much. Mamluk-ruled Egyptians, Persians and Dungans (i.e. Han Chinese Muslims aka the Hui) remained cucked fellahs even though they converted to Islam while Gurkhas and Sikhs remain uncucked despite not being Muslim.

    • Replies: @KenH

    The number of converts usually has nothing to do with whether a religion is factually accurate.
     
    I did not mean factual accuracy or objective truth. Rather, what the potential convert perceives to be true and ennobling. In the case of the British convert to Islam, it seems he was attracted by the more consistent dogma of Islam, a sense of belonging and the stronger faith of Muslims he came in contact with.

    Of course Islam isn't the only religion with martial qualities and there's plenty of Muslims who wouldn't fight or have the will to fight if needed. But in general when compared to contemporary Christianity there's no comparison and Islam wins. Where's the Christian equivalent to Hezbollah or ISIS? Or of Muslim insurgencies around the Middle East?

    Centuries ago Christianity would brook no rivals and cut Muslims into cube steaks when they made forays into Europe. Today Christianity turns the other cheek and apologizes while Islam fights even when they have no moral or factual grounds to do so.

  70. Was this post prompted by a specific incident, or are you just worried about the general social climate?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The latter. It is clear what our rulers are trying to do--normalize the dehumanization of all people deemed "white nationalists", "white supremacists", "white separatists", etc on nothing more than the accusation of their being as much. All the major cultural pillars are content to go along with this to get along with it--big religion, big business, academia, etc.

    The one place we legitimately may yet find recourse is in the courts, especially when the targets are not public figures. If Sandmann gets a settlement--or even better, a judgment--that will put our persecutors on serious notice. And if he does, it should be pedal to the metal for others like him who have been defamed.
  71. @Anonymous
    And yet you seem to be accepting that Jewy definition of white nationalism like it's not a big deal.

    Don't you get it? Describing white nationalism as a virulent form of white supremacism is a deliberate ploy to criminalise white nationalism in white nations. It's meant to mute, gag, and ultimately imprison all natural immune reactions in our homelands.

    For the length of the XXI century, the far-right has been more violent and anti-social than the far-left. In much of Europe from 1945 into the late 1990s, there were various far-left terror groups strongly or loosely aligned with the USSR. IRA, ETA, RAF. There were also smaller organizations like the Weathermen that existed in the US.

    In the present time, far-left terrorism is practically non-existent except for one lone Boomer who targeted GOP Congressmen. Radical greens and animal rights terror seems to have dropped off the radar, and their main target was property. Even the two BLM attacks on cops pale in comparison to the widespread rioting of the 1960s.

    Fringe politics attracts unstable individuals, and the far-right has created an echo chamber where social status is derived from higher amounts of edgeposting. We can also account for the sausage fest nature of the far-right (somewhat common to all extremist politics). Some toxic assets cannot be economically rehabilitated.

    You cannot out-logic the Megaphone. At best you catch it lying and some more people drift away.

    Rather than autistically screech about Hitler, focus on community building. Try to avoid all interaction with journalists, instead of promoting those who bask in media coverage.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Fringe politics

    Wearing a MAGA cap is not fringe politics, yet the MSM and SJWs implicitly and explicitly condone violence or the threat of violence against a wearer.

    If you want a historical parallel look at the actions and inactions of the police forces in some Southern cities and states during the Civil Rights demonstrations in the ‘60s. For example, white vigilantes and KKK types would be given free reign for a few minutes before the police showed up to “restore order.”

    How does that differ from Charlottesville where the police power (Terry McAuliffe) pushed the alt-righters out of the park and into an attack by the antifa and their supporters?

  72. @iffen
    given the trajectory Western Civilization has taken

    Blip. A blip. You are a smart man, Talha, you know what a blip is.

    It is not a blip. Instead it really looks like cultural decline not very different from late Roman Republic to me. I’m sorry. America may not have enough social unity left to remain a Republic any more. What kind of social norms both the left and the right agree on is even more important than what they quarrel about. From the late Obama era to the Trump era I could see that both sides are violating more and more norms. making politics increasingly brutal. If this isn’t stopped the end game is Ceasarism.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Hail Caesar!

    If you know your Roman history then you know that the decline was not linear. I am up for a Justinian restoration.
  73. @EastKekistani

    Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.
     
    The current one..assume that you will actually defend it more than what Greco-Romans did to defend theirs because Islam is more organized than and is much better at norm policing compared to Christianity. Otherwise I won't be surprised if white MGTOWs and incels begin to convert to Islam not because they believe Islam is correct but simply because they want benefits of a semi-minority status and a stable marriage. In fact I have already heard of atheist and agnostic incels joking about nominally converting to Islam for wives back in 2013.

    Of course unlike what Muslims think whether Islam is dominant has nothing to do with whether it is factually accurate. The Islam of Rashidun Caliphate for example was strong while the Islam of late Abbasid Caliphate and during some periods in Moorish Spain was weak. It's not about religion. Instead it is about social organization.

    not because they believe Islam is correct but simply because they want benefits of a semi-minority status and a stable marriage

    This kind of thing is common in Islamic history (Nicolas Nassir Taleb wrote about it). The religion codifies giving material and social incentives for conversion. Then their next generation becomes more sincere than the original batch of converts, this has been happening for centuries.

    Actually, before it was abrogated, one of the people that zakat could be given to were those on the fence about converting.

    You get sincere guys like the one who wrote the article and you also get incels that need an auntie to hook them up with a partner that they had zero chance of finding in the “meat market”.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Exactly. The point is that sons and daughters of Machiavellians, opportunists, and incels who convert to Islam, Christianity or some other new religion for personal gain tend to be a lot more sincere than their scheming fathers especially since their scheming fathers have to pretend to be truly devoted for life simply because the religious community actually actively polices norm violation. Of course in natalist religions in order to pretend to be devoted you'd better reproduce a lot too..contributing to growth of the religious community.

    This process is religion-independent. As long as you have the social mechanisms it just works like that.

  74. @Talha

    not because they believe Islam is correct but simply because they want benefits of a semi-minority status and a stable marriage
     
    This kind of thing is common in Islamic history (Nicolas Nassir Taleb wrote about it). The religion codifies giving material and social incentives for conversion. Then their next generation becomes more sincere than the original batch of converts, this has been happening for centuries.

    Actually, before it was abrogated, one of the people that zakat could be given to were those on the fence about converting.

    You get sincere guys like the one who wrote the article and you also get incels that need an auntie to hook them up with a partner that they had zero chance of finding in the “meat market”.

    Peace.

    Exactly. The point is that sons and daughters of Machiavellians, opportunists, and incels who convert to Islam, Christianity or some other new religion for personal gain tend to be a lot more sincere than their scheming fathers especially since their scheming fathers have to pretend to be truly devoted for life simply because the religious community actually actively polices norm violation. Of course in natalist religions in order to pretend to be devoted you’d better reproduce a lot too..contributing to growth of the religious community.

    This process is religion-independent. As long as you have the social mechanisms it just works like that.

    • Replies: @Talha
    The interesting part is that the religion does demand sincerity at the end of the day, for instance the Quran states clearly that the munafiqs (those that pretend to be Muslim) will be in the lowest level of Hell. But makes initial entry extremely easy and even gives incentives - the hope is that the warning in the Qur’an will impact some of those kinds of people and have them reconsider their inner spiritual state and some will become sincere believers later on. However, some who converted insincerely will, of course, inwardly laugh at the warning since they don’t really care. In this latter case, the spiritual beneficiaries are their next generations who are more likely to be sincere. And so it goes...

    Peace.
  75. @iffen
    given the trajectory Western Civilization has taken

    Blip. A blip. You are a smart man, Talha, you know what a blip is.

    If it were so. This is the trajectory at this point into the foreseeable future…what is going to change the vector? “Progress” is baked into the cake of Western Civilization at this point – it’s pride and joy – the only debate I see is on what aspect of society/life that word relates to.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    “Progress” is baked into the cake of Western Civilization at this point

    Point taken.

    Hope springs eternal applies to me as well.

  76. @iffen
    Trump’s election was a rebuke to the fake news industry kikes who threw everything they had at him and failed. It is literally driving them into a frothing at the mouth rage

    True

    their spell has finally been broken.

    Hope springs eternal.

    freaked out and are, with ADL and SPLC pressure, censoring and deplatforming those sources

    True

    because we’re convincingly winning the argument and gaining adherents to our cause.

    Hope springs eternal.

    Nah he is correct. The “alt right” grew out of nothing, and exploded in popularity somewhere around 2016. The internet was the cause. I started on anti-SJW videos and then came across r/the_donald on the front page of reddit. Now I’m here.

    Since 2017 they have successfully slowed its growth by de-platforming and/or discrediting individuals. The first was Milo, I believe, just before CPAC 2017. This tactic has been somewhat effective, and they’re continuing to drill down.

    That said, it hasn’t been stopped. I’m not sure it really can be stopped at this point. Quiet conversations between whites that were completely unacceptable 4 years ago now happen all the time. Especially among young white men. The awakening is real, it’s the Boomers and nice white ladies and single white women that are the cancer.

    After Charlottesville, the organizational piece has been really destroyed. So whites are waking up every day, but are more isolated. This hinders growth but does not stop it. I really think we would be doing much better, had Unite the Right not been such a shitshow.

    • Replies: @iffen
    After Charlottesville, the organizational piece has been really destroyed.

    Terry McAuliffe played Charlottesville like a cheap fiddle. If we still had rule of law he would be indicted for accessory to manslaughter.

    You are up against people like him and images of toddlers face and toe down in the sand.

    You are not up to the task.

    , @216
    The beginnings of the Alt-Right were supporters of the Ron Paul campaigns in '08 and '12, who were disappointed with the pandering that his son, Sen. Rand Paul began in preparation for his '16 campaign. By itself, this wasn't much, a faint echo of the Buchanan/Perot campaigns in the 90s. R. Spencer came out of this movement, he was previously an editor of a paleocon publication.

    Two major events happened that grew the Alt-Right: Gamergate and Black Lives Matter. The former arose from an incident where game journolists and Silicon Valley conspired to cover up the fact that reporters were trading sex for favors. (Zoe Quinn and the Five Guys). This moved a lot of apolitical and center-left figures toward the right, as the media was caught behaving just like right-wing conspiracy theories allege it does. Milo was a part of Gamergate, as was Mike Cernovich.

    BLM resulted from the '12 Obama campaign antagonizing local crime stories into a narrative of racist cops killing "unarmed black men". This helped to spike the turnout of "black church ladies" in '12, contributing to victories in Florida and Ohio. The DNC thought this was the solution to their perennial midterm turnout woes. It backfired in the 2014 midterm victory for the GOP, and escalated into two terror attacks in '16 that certainly tipped the balance to Trump in Wisconsin (minor rioting in Milwaukee). Tomi Lahren was a product of BLM, perhaps more useful was Paul Kersey of SBPDL.

    The collapse began when Cernovich banned Spencer from a post-election victory party. Spencer and Enoch subsequently held an event where they were publicly intoxicated making Hitler salutes with Tila Tequila (Thai porn actress). Spencer was then famously punched on January 20. Large amounts of capital were subsequently spent trying to reanimate a corpse.

    An unknown quantity was the involvement of the "Russian bots" or more properly meatpuppets. They consumed a lot of energy on Big Social, reducing the efficiency of the other side's attacks. While most of us dismiss this, I'm not so sure we should. No one dismisses the role of Al Jazeera in stoking the fires of the Arab Spring.
  77. @EastKekistani
    Exactly. The point is that sons and daughters of Machiavellians, opportunists, and incels who convert to Islam, Christianity or some other new religion for personal gain tend to be a lot more sincere than their scheming fathers especially since their scheming fathers have to pretend to be truly devoted for life simply because the religious community actually actively polices norm violation. Of course in natalist religions in order to pretend to be devoted you'd better reproduce a lot too..contributing to growth of the religious community.

    This process is religion-independent. As long as you have the social mechanisms it just works like that.

    The interesting part is that the religion does demand sincerity at the end of the day, for instance the Quran states clearly that the munafiqs (those that pretend to be Muslim) will be in the lowest level of Hell. But makes initial entry extremely easy and even gives incentives – the hope is that the warning in the Qur’an will impact some of those kinds of people and have them reconsider their inner spiritual state and some will become sincere believers later on. However, some who converted insincerely will, of course, inwardly laugh at the warning since they don’t really care. In this latter case, the spiritual beneficiaries are their next generations who are more likely to be sincere. And so it goes…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I see. I don't know who made the rules but yes at least some sects of Sunni Islam are socially pretty brilliant.

    Of course I don't believe in spiritual benefits of Islam. However I can easily see that it is definitely good at boosting social trust. Absence of a corrupt Caliphate and decentralization also help. The janbiya Arabs have and absence of any central religious authority makes totalitarianism completely impossible.

  78. @SunBakedSuburb
    Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable. We see it at work in public settings. There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives.

    “Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable.”

    If this is a reference to breaking up the US, then I have a problem with it. First who gets where? for sake of argument, I’ll go by the suggested borders I’ve seen. Whites basically get the Montana Territory and the Dakotas? Strategically terrible. Totally landlocked. Likely surrounded by enemies. No access to ports. Must pay our enemies tariffs to import/export. Plenty of fossil fuels but limited farmland.

    Next – we have already established that blacks are incapable of maintaining much of anything, let alone a country. So valuable land (southeast I suppose) is going to be handed to a group of people that cannot manage it, so the white country will share a border with best case, a North Korea, and worst case, a Liberia. What, exactly, leads anyone to believe that people from a country like that will not be attempting to sneak into the white country and or just invade in an effort to obtain basic necessities to survive?

    The west coast will, for all intents and purposes, become North Mexico, and what stops the hordes of their mestizo underclass from illegally entering the white country, if not threat of violence?

    The East will be the progressive utopia, right up until it isn’t, but in the meantime, is this country that will be made up of raging SJW leftist lunatics and the bulk of the coalition of the fringes, somehow NOT going to be a hostile enemy to the white country?

    Someone help me out here, because all this talk of peaceful partition or whatever seems more like all the whites jumping into a barrel so they may be easier to shoot at.

    No, my friends, I see absolutely no benefit to voluntarily surrendering some of the most beautiful and bountiful land in the world, to groups of people who would squander and destroy it, only to continue to come after the whites who left to be with their own.

    “There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives.”

    And only for other people, not for themselves.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yeah, they will just nuke whatever white territory there is. Is there any evidence that suggests otherwise? Whites are the incarnation of evil to them. Unless the white country gets its hands on nukes (again Turner Diaries), it is doomed from the start.

    You would have to have to take over Washington and/or Oregon to get to the sea.

    The best situation is in fact Eastern Canada. Quebec, Eastern Ontario and Atlantic Canada area heavily white. Quite honestly they're sick of everything. But both Quebeckers and the Celtic maritimes hate Anglos ("whites") more than anything else. They'll save themselves.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines. Instead, I think it will broadly follow the Woodward/Fischer American Nations, with cosmopolitan urban/metro areas characterized by racial diversity, large economic disparities, and pockets of enormous affluence on the 'blue' side of things while geographically expansive networks of rural/small town confederations characterized by primarily racially homogeneity (white), economic equality, and less affluence on the 'red' side of things.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    You present a set of thorny issues and good questions. I can only respond by saying that voluntary segregation is a possible remedy to the disintegrating United States. I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state -- elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology -- or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable). We need solutions. And looking towards the same people, groups, and institutions for answers will only hasten the disintegration.
  79. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    So you think by meekly stating "I'm not a white supremacist" they are going to just leave us alone?

    They want us all dead, regardless of whether we are strong or weak.

    I'm hoping it turns out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Remember the Turner Diaries. Once a person becomes an "unperson" and go underground is when they become dangerous.

    Check into something called the “Boeremag”, a small group of Afrikaner terrorists during the 1990s hoping to fulfill the Rensburg prophecy.

    The South African state, no one’s model of competence or efficiency, infiltrated and crushed them easily. Incompetence in the courts caused the trial to drag on for 10 years, but created no martyrs to embolden the cause.

    The ANC eagerly used the terrorism excuse to pass harsher gun laws, and disband the Commando system where farmers were allowed to act as an ad-hoc militia to defend against crime.

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban

    Think you can outrun one of these?

    http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/343804/8386521/1283434935760/General_Atomics_Avenger_UCAV.jpg?token=KGdBvZewrYLBVDK8GHxtuVojrsk%3D

    Thought so, that’s why I argue for civility and political solutions, and I argue against violent rhetoric that I myself used to be quite the fan of.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'm not calling for violence or terrorism. I don't see myself ever being in that role. I'm just stating the fact, that if enough white men have nothing to live for, they might become dangerous.

    Also, the political solution seems to be a pipe dream. So Trump failed, but the *next* Trump is gonna succeed. Yeah right.
    , @polaco

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban
     
    UFO is right: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3152185,

    All of these things you will get no matter what you do, the screws are being tightened just as they have been, gradually, for a long while. Towards the end, you should expect the final tightening down to happen suddenly, all at once, as the population becomes more agitated and grows weary of their hostile government. It is this authoritarian overreach coupled with a dire economic situation that can bring about violence as a desperate, push-back response. Alternatively, people will just passively accept their country's sliding more and more in the direction of a social-democratic state, with a totalitarian flavour.

    Demographics is key. Soon there will be no way for a true Republican to win an election, at least 30% of whites always vote Democrat, but the Republican party is the only place where you can find decent people to vote for. Many Republicans choose not to confront the status quo, when they go to Washington as the entire government bureaucracy consists of Democrats, from security guards all the way up to the highest ranking career political operators in all of the departments. They transfer your tax money to fund their friends' non-profit operations, which keep you under siege. Democrats own the media and the entire education system. Then many Republicans are outright great white traitors, like all white Democrats serving the communist agenda, with the usual suspects calling the shots. Look how powerless and outnumbered Trump is, no one person can drain the swamp by himself, if you attack one useless government branch, all others will be up in arms against you, for they expect to be next, the political machine will chew you up and spit you out, this cancer has metastasized to unbelievable proportions, encompassing the whole country: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/11/thomas-dilorenzo/rich-rulers/

    To have real change, you should start sending honest, incorruptible people to Washington, as well as elect them locally, people who would be happy with their government salaries, not susceptible to lobbying and pressure, they should have your full unwavering support, no matter how the economy goes, election after election. But this is unlikely, where to find them- there is no political solution, before too long, definitely in one generation, maybe sooner, Latin Americans will begin to elect shameless kleptocrats to your government positions, including the presidential office, things will go downhill rapidly from there. America may become a leftist, authoritarian regime, with Brazilian demographics, free government run medical care- with its unions on strike every year, free higher education, and naturally with a 25% VAT, and $8 per gallon petrol to pay for it all, and with economically crippling price increases across the board, associated with all new taxes.

    In the 1950s the US was the place to be, an economic powerhouse, as well as the freest. How could a country almost 90% white have fallen like that. You'd think by now 99% white should be the natural outcome. Everywhere you look, there is nowhere to go if you want a developed, advanced country where freedom and justice dwell, just oppressive, intrusive governments in ascend all around, where people are not seen as humans, but as gulag prisoners referred to by numbers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euDhMDDRq4
  80. @Talha
    The interesting part is that the religion does demand sincerity at the end of the day, for instance the Quran states clearly that the munafiqs (those that pretend to be Muslim) will be in the lowest level of Hell. But makes initial entry extremely easy and even gives incentives - the hope is that the warning in the Qur’an will impact some of those kinds of people and have them reconsider their inner spiritual state and some will become sincere believers later on. However, some who converted insincerely will, of course, inwardly laugh at the warning since they don’t really care. In this latter case, the spiritual beneficiaries are their next generations who are more likely to be sincere. And so it goes...

    Peace.

    I see. I don’t know who made the rules but yes at least some sects of Sunni Islam are socially pretty brilliant.

    Of course I don’t believe in spiritual benefits of Islam. However I can easily see that it is definitely good at boosting social trust. Absence of a corrupt Caliphate and decentralization also help. The janbiya Arabs have and absence of any central religious authority makes totalitarianism completely impossible.

    • Replies: @Talha

    I don’t know who made the rules
     
    It’s a Divine program - as I mentioned in the other thread:
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/1d/39/a81d3973f2b3269dc8b358585bab7e3b.jpg

    It is interesting, but my core and natural inclinations are fairly liberal despite some of the positions I espouse. Islam has actually helped me to keep my inner Leftist in check.

    absence of any central religious authority makes totalitarianism completely impossible.
     
    Confers huge advantages. Interestingly many of our most famous Muslim scholars were either killed, imprisoned or exiled by ruling authorities - it was almost a right of passage. That tension between the ulema and the rulers generally continues to this day.

    Of course there are some liabilities like spin-off takfiri groups that arise every few centuries and think everyone else is a kaafir, but you always have to account for imperfections in anything being applied by humans.

    Peace.
  81. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable."

    If this is a reference to breaking up the US, then I have a problem with it. First who gets where? for sake of argument, I'll go by the suggested borders I've seen. Whites basically get the Montana Territory and the Dakotas? Strategically terrible. Totally landlocked. Likely surrounded by enemies. No access to ports. Must pay our enemies tariffs to import/export. Plenty of fossil fuels but limited farmland.

    Next - we have already established that blacks are incapable of maintaining much of anything, let alone a country. So valuable land (southeast I suppose) is going to be handed to a group of people that cannot manage it, so the white country will share a border with best case, a North Korea, and worst case, a Liberia. What, exactly, leads anyone to believe that people from a country like that will not be attempting to sneak into the white country and or just invade in an effort to obtain basic necessities to survive?

    The west coast will, for all intents and purposes, become North Mexico, and what stops the hordes of their mestizo underclass from illegally entering the white country, if not threat of violence?

    The East will be the progressive utopia, right up until it isn't, but in the meantime, is this country that will be made up of raging SJW leftist lunatics and the bulk of the coalition of the fringes, somehow NOT going to be a hostile enemy to the white country?

    Someone help me out here, because all this talk of peaceful partition or whatever seems more like all the whites jumping into a barrel so they may be easier to shoot at.

    No, my friends, I see absolutely no benefit to voluntarily surrendering some of the most beautiful and bountiful land in the world, to groups of people who would squander and destroy it, only to continue to come after the whites who left to be with their own.


    "There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives."

    And only for other people, not for themselves.

    Yeah, they will just nuke whatever white territory there is. Is there any evidence that suggests otherwise? Whites are the incarnation of evil to them. Unless the white country gets its hands on nukes (again Turner Diaries), it is doomed from the start.

    You would have to have to take over Washington and/or Oregon to get to the sea.

    The best situation is in fact Eastern Canada. Quebec, Eastern Ontario and Atlantic Canada area heavily white. Quite honestly they’re sick of everything. But both Quebeckers and the Celtic maritimes hate Anglos (“whites”) more than anything else. They’ll save themselves.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    What? How can a white successor state give up its nukes? From a Machiavellian point of view giving up nukes is always a grave mistake. Ukraine is a good example. If you want a black separatist state please don't let them have WMD (In fact you shouldn't even let them keep guns) at all both for your sake and for everyone else's sake..

    If you want peace you need WMDs.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    No one is going to nuke Hungary and no one is going to nuke Montana, either.
  82. @216
    Check into something called the "Boeremag", a small group of Afrikaner terrorists during the 1990s hoping to fulfill the Rensburg prophecy.

    The South African state, no one's model of competence or efficiency, infiltrated and crushed them easily. Incompetence in the courts caused the trial to drag on for 10 years, but created no martyrs to embolden the cause.

    The ANC eagerly used the terrorism excuse to pass harsher gun laws, and disband the Commando system where farmers were allowed to act as an ad-hoc militia to defend against crime.

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban

    Think you can outrun one of these?

    http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/343804/8386521/1283434935760/General_Atomics_Avenger_UCAV.jpg?token=KGdBvZewrYLBVDK8GHxtuVojrsk%3D

    Thought so, that's why I argue for civility and political solutions, and I argue against violent rhetoric that I myself used to be quite the fan of.

    I’m not calling for violence or terrorism. I don’t see myself ever being in that role. I’m just stating the fact, that if enough white men have nothing to live for, they might become dangerous.

    Also, the political solution seems to be a pipe dream. So Trump failed, but the *next* Trump is gonna succeed. Yeah right.

    • Replies: @216
    I don't find your argument convincing or consistent. You are implying a threat of violence, claiming that it is a justified response. That's enough to get a criminal conviction in some countries, possibly including yours.

    A poltical solution is not only winning an election. It includes ideas like community building, boycotts and infiltration.
  83. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yeah, they will just nuke whatever white territory there is. Is there any evidence that suggests otherwise? Whites are the incarnation of evil to them. Unless the white country gets its hands on nukes (again Turner Diaries), it is doomed from the start.

    You would have to have to take over Washington and/or Oregon to get to the sea.

    The best situation is in fact Eastern Canada. Quebec, Eastern Ontario and Atlantic Canada area heavily white. Quite honestly they're sick of everything. But both Quebeckers and the Celtic maritimes hate Anglos ("whites") more than anything else. They'll save themselves.

    What? How can a white successor state give up its nukes? From a Machiavellian point of view giving up nukes is always a grave mistake. Ukraine is a good example. If you want a black separatist state please don’t let them have WMD (In fact you shouldn’t even let them keep guns) at all both for your sake and for everyone else’s sake..

    If you want peace you need WMDs.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Any partition would almost certainly involve every newly formed state getting some number of nukes.
  84. @KenH

    The mother of my own children is a pious Muslim White convert and I see new ones coming along all the time:
     
    The number of white converts is quite tiny. I could easily post stories of Muslims who left Islam, were highly critical of it and/or converted to Christianity, too. That doesn't make Christianity truer any more than your article about one Western convert makes Islam truer or better than Christianity.

    I will say that Islam at least stands for something and refuses remake itself in the image of all the new social justice fads and movements. It also fights back when it feels it's being attacked. I can respect that a great deal.

    Christianity has lost its vigor and tries to please too many people, especially its mortal enemies, and as a result it pleases no one.

    I could easily post stories of Muslims who left Islam, were highly critical of it and/or converted to Christianity, too

    The problem is, the vast majority are not becoming Christian. As Pew reported, only about 1 out of 5 apostates become Christians, the rest become atheists…and usually go super-poz.

    That doesn’t make Christianity truer any more than your article about one Western convert makes Islam truer or better than Christianity.

    That was not my point. What I posted has nothing to do with whether Islam is true, simply that Westerners (including Whites) are indeed converting. And those guys are having kids.

    Christianity has lost its vigor and tries to please too many people, especially its mortal enemies, and as a result it pleases no one.

    That’s exactly what that brother said in the article. It’s also what I’ve heard from other converts – according to Pew, we get about 75% of our converts from Christianity and they generally seem to be opting out of the direction modern society is going.

    Peace.

  85. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Nah he is correct. The "alt right" grew out of nothing, and exploded in popularity somewhere around 2016. The internet was the cause. I started on anti-SJW videos and then came across r/the_donald on the front page of reddit. Now I'm here.

    Since 2017 they have successfully slowed its growth by de-platforming and/or discrediting individuals. The first was Milo, I believe, just before CPAC 2017. This tactic has been somewhat effective, and they're continuing to drill down.

    That said, it hasn't been stopped. I'm not sure it really can be stopped at this point. Quiet conversations between whites that were completely unacceptable 4 years ago now happen all the time. Especially among young white men. The awakening is real, it's the Boomers and nice white ladies and single white women that are the cancer.

    After Charlottesville, the organizational piece has been really destroyed. So whites are waking up every day, but are more isolated. This hinders growth but does not stop it. I really think we would be doing much better, had Unite the Right not been such a shitshow.

    After Charlottesville, the organizational piece has been really destroyed.

    Terry McAuliffe played Charlottesville like a cheap fiddle. If we still had rule of law he would be indicted for accessory to manslaughter.

    You are up against people like him and images of toddlers face and toe down in the sand.

    You are not up to the task.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    IRL demonstrations are a bad idea. For those determined to do them anyway, the only possible approach to make the demonstration/gathering a success is be prepared to take one for the team. That means documenting abuse while receiving it stoically. Street fighting is an optical disaster.
  86. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'm not calling for violence or terrorism. I don't see myself ever being in that role. I'm just stating the fact, that if enough white men have nothing to live for, they might become dangerous.

    Also, the political solution seems to be a pipe dream. So Trump failed, but the *next* Trump is gonna succeed. Yeah right.

    I don’t find your argument convincing or consistent. You are implying a threat of violence, claiming that it is a justified response. That’s enough to get a criminal conviction in some countries, possibly including yours.

    A poltical solution is not only winning an election. It includes ideas like community building, boycotts and infiltration.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'm not saying it's justified, I'm saying it's natural. It's what *will* happen in all likelihood, because that's human nature.

    It would be best for everyone if the Globohomo slowed down, but they aren't. So this is the path we're going down. I have no joy in saying it, but it is what it is.
  87. @Talha
    If it were so. This is the trajectory at this point into the foreseeable future...what is going to change the vector? “Progress” is baked into the cake of Western Civilization at this point - it’s pride and joy - the only debate I see is on what aspect of society/life that word relates to.

    Peace.

    “Progress” is baked into the cake of Western Civilization at this point

    Point taken.

    Hope springs eternal applies to me as well.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Good - never ever take the black pill and avoid the company of those that do.

    Peace.
  88. @EastKekistani
    I see. I don't know who made the rules but yes at least some sects of Sunni Islam are socially pretty brilliant.

    Of course I don't believe in spiritual benefits of Islam. However I can easily see that it is definitely good at boosting social trust. Absence of a corrupt Caliphate and decentralization also help. The janbiya Arabs have and absence of any central religious authority makes totalitarianism completely impossible.

    I don’t know who made the rules

    It’s a Divine program – as I mentioned in the other thread:

    It is interesting, but my core and natural inclinations are fairly liberal despite some of the positions I espouse. Islam has actually helped me to keep my inner Leftist in check.

    absence of any central religious authority makes totalitarianism completely impossible.

    Confers huge advantages. Interestingly many of our most famous Muslim scholars were either killed, imprisoned or exiled by ruling authorities – it was almost a right of passage. That tension between the ulema and the rulers generally continues to this day.

    Of course there are some liabilities like spin-off takfiri groups that arise every few centuries and think everyone else is a kaafir, but you always have to account for imperfections in anything being applied by humans.

    Peace.

  89. @EastKekistani
    It is not a blip. Instead it really looks like cultural decline not very different from late Roman Republic to me. I'm sorry. America may not have enough social unity left to remain a Republic any more. What kind of social norms both the left and the right agree on is even more important than what they quarrel about. From the late Obama era to the Trump era I could see that both sides are violating more and more norms. making politics increasingly brutal. If this isn't stopped the end game is Ceasarism.

    Hail Caesar!

    If you know your Roman history then you know that the decline was not linear. I am up for a Justinian restoration.

  90. @216
    I've pointed out before that the West has no concept that Russia/China have of a "patriotic Muslim" minority (Tatar/Hui). There may be individual Muslims in the West with this mindset, but they aren't a cohesive group.

    Part of it may be that China/Russia project the image of a "strong horse" better, while the West is currently a horse weakened by liberalism that invities only contempt. It's not hard for many Muslims to imagine that they will one day be the majority in the West via breeding, after which there will be a cascade of white converts.

    I'm increasingly wary of making such absolutist statements, while I might agree with it emotionally, our movements need all the help we can get. Muslims willing to mouth patrotic sentiments act as a useful counterbalance against GayPride. They also spur the Christian clergy to act in a more conservative and patriarchal manner, lest they lose their flock.

    There may be individual Muslims in the West with this mindset, but they aren’t a cohesive group.

    Are you trying to tell me that Talha is one of a kind?

    our movements

    Who is this “our” of whom you speak, Kemo Sabe?

    • Replies: @216
    I use the phrase "Dissident movements" to describe the various forms of "right-wing populism" in the XXI Century West.

    The phrase "Dissident movements" is a expansionary placeholder for "Alt-Right" in the visage that Steve Bannon thought it was in 2016. I dislike "Dissident Right" because I think several movements that are not right-wing are a part of this phenomenon.

    I also like using the royal we.

    I include the manosphere communities as part of the dissident movements, alongside the nationalist right. I also include the TERFs, or anti-trans feminists, who are not right-wing. The increasingly marginalized anti-war left might be included, as should black ethnonationalists like Tariq Nasheed. I would like to add various "localist movements" to the dissident realm, as they are in conflict with transnational corporations.

    The movements have conflicts with each other, but they share common enemies of neoliberalism, cultural SJWism, transnational corporations and widespread public and consumer debt.
  91. @iffen
    “Progress” is baked into the cake of Western Civilization at this point

    Point taken.

    Hope springs eternal applies to me as well.

    Good – never ever take the black pill and avoid the company of those that do.

    Peace.

  92. @216
    I don't find your argument convincing or consistent. You are implying a threat of violence, claiming that it is a justified response. That's enough to get a criminal conviction in some countries, possibly including yours.

    A poltical solution is not only winning an election. It includes ideas like community building, boycotts and infiltration.

    I’m not saying it’s justified, I’m saying it’s natural. It’s what *will* happen in all likelihood, because that’s human nature.

    It would be best for everyone if the Globohomo slowed down, but they aren’t. So this is the path we’re going down. I have no joy in saying it, but it is what it is.

  93. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Nah he is correct. The "alt right" grew out of nothing, and exploded in popularity somewhere around 2016. The internet was the cause. I started on anti-SJW videos and then came across r/the_donald on the front page of reddit. Now I'm here.

    Since 2017 they have successfully slowed its growth by de-platforming and/or discrediting individuals. The first was Milo, I believe, just before CPAC 2017. This tactic has been somewhat effective, and they're continuing to drill down.

    That said, it hasn't been stopped. I'm not sure it really can be stopped at this point. Quiet conversations between whites that were completely unacceptable 4 years ago now happen all the time. Especially among young white men. The awakening is real, it's the Boomers and nice white ladies and single white women that are the cancer.

    After Charlottesville, the organizational piece has been really destroyed. So whites are waking up every day, but are more isolated. This hinders growth but does not stop it. I really think we would be doing much better, had Unite the Right not been such a shitshow.

    The beginnings of the Alt-Right were supporters of the Ron Paul campaigns in ’08 and ’12, who were disappointed with the pandering that his son, Sen. Rand Paul began in preparation for his ’16 campaign. By itself, this wasn’t much, a faint echo of the Buchanan/Perot campaigns in the 90s. R. Spencer came out of this movement, he was previously an editor of a paleocon publication.

    Two major events happened that grew the Alt-Right: Gamergate and Black Lives Matter. The former arose from an incident where game journolists and Silicon Valley conspired to cover up the fact that reporters were trading sex for favors. (Zoe Quinn and the Five Guys). This moved a lot of apolitical and center-left figures toward the right, as the media was caught behaving just like right-wing conspiracy theories allege it does. Milo was a part of Gamergate, as was Mike Cernovich.

    BLM resulted from the ’12 Obama campaign antagonizing local crime stories into a narrative of racist cops killing “unarmed black men”. This helped to spike the turnout of “black church ladies” in ’12, contributing to victories in Florida and Ohio. The DNC thought this was the solution to their perennial midterm turnout woes. It backfired in the 2014 midterm victory for the GOP, and escalated into two terror attacks in ’16 that certainly tipped the balance to Trump in Wisconsin (minor rioting in Milwaukee). Tomi Lahren was a product of BLM, perhaps more useful was Paul Kersey of SBPDL.

    The collapse began when Cernovich banned Spencer from a post-election victory party. Spencer and Enoch subsequently held an event where they were publicly intoxicated making Hitler salutes with Tila Tequila (Thai porn actress). Spencer was then famously punched on January 20. Large amounts of capital were subsequently spent trying to reanimate a corpse.

    An unknown quantity was the involvement of the “Russian bots” or more properly meatpuppets. They consumed a lot of energy on Big Social, reducing the efficiency of the other side’s attacks. While most of us dismiss this, I’m not so sure we should. No one dismisses the role of Al Jazeera in stoking the fires of the Arab Spring.

  94. @Meretricious
    Totally agree. But at the same time, in any sane society negroes would probably pay a surcharge to rent cars, among other things.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6917989/Drinking-speeding-contributed-couples-fatal-car-crash-Dominican-Republic.html

    When I visited NYC in 2003, Brooklyn and Bronx residents were forbidden from renting cars from the outlet, in Manhattan, that I rented from. There were surcharges for Queens and Manhattan, none for Staten Island or anywhere else. This was a branch of a well known national chain; I forget which one.

  95. @iffen
    There may be individual Muslims in the West with this mindset, but they aren’t a cohesive group.

    Are you trying to tell me that Talha is one of a kind?

    our movements

    Who is this "our" of whom you speak, Kemo Sabe?

    I use the phrase “Dissident movements” to describe the various forms of “right-wing populism” in the XXI Century West.

    The phrase “Dissident movements” is a expansionary placeholder for “Alt-Right” in the visage that Steve Bannon thought it was in 2016. I dislike “Dissident Right” because I think several movements that are not right-wing are a part of this phenomenon.

    I also like using the royal we.

    I include the manosphere communities as part of the dissident movements, alongside the nationalist right. I also include the TERFs, or anti-trans feminists, who are not right-wing. The increasingly marginalized anti-war left might be included, as should black ethnonationalists like Tariq Nasheed. I would like to add various “localist movements” to the dissident realm, as they are in conflict with transnational corporations.

    The movements have conflicts with each other, but they share common enemies of neoliberalism, cultural SJWism, transnational corporations and widespread public and consumer debt.

    • Replies: @iffen
    If Sailer is right about KKK crazy glue holding the coalition of the fringes together, you are going to need a mega size tube of super glue.
  96. @polaco
    My argument was about why there exist variations in IQ, and everything else for that matter. Maybe some people seem 'obsolete' now but they played a role in getting us to where we are standing today.

    As to simulations, pick your poison, I stick to my ambrosia- speaking as a Catholic, God is all powerful, his wisdom unbound. The more intelligence you have, the more you see, understand, and are able to create, so with his infinite intelligence God can create realities beyond our imagination, he could even be Himself in infinitely many instances at once if he wanted to, I suppose. The Bible says "Indeed, even the hairs on your head have all been counted!", so He surely has all of the data in the universe accounted for and under control...

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite
     
    The Bible also says more will be required of those who have received more, so if your intelligent brain can present your soul with different options to chose from, you should go with what is right, because when a dumb guy reacts instinctively, for he doesn't have the brains capable of analyzing and weighing his options, the soul is still there, yet the brain won't offer it the choices to consciously select from, and he will not be judged as harshly.

    The question should really be how, not why, since we and the world around us already exist; an adequate answer to why create something not up to par may as well be, why not? "The human brain cannot deal with the question of ultimate origin"- Fred Reed.

    St Paul stated the matter of God rather eloquently I think. “If you understand it it is not God.,if you do not understand it it is God.” Any human being attempting to explain God is on a fruitless venture, but we seem to have thousands of would be preachers who try to do so. Try to lead a blameless life and you will not be judged harshly is about all the religion one needs.

    • Replies: @polaco
    Absolutely agree, how we live our lives will decide what happens to us in the afterlife. Jesus also told Peter, rebuking him harshly, that his way of reasoning was human, not God like, when, after Jesus had told his disciples he would suffer greatly and be killed, Peter began to reassure Jesus nothing of such sort would be allowed to happen.

    Going back to Anon's comment- https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3151760

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite
     
    Whatever inventions and improvement this elite make, the rising tide lifts all the boats, everybody benefits. This elite are free to do their jobs since they benefit from the fact that somebody else takes care of different things, it's a symbiotic relationship. The idea is that everybody operates at his peak cognitive performance, so an excavator operator can be as passionate and happy to work as a scientist, he has as much fulfillment, and does not hate his job. Chemical elements have different atomic numbers for a reason too, everything has its place, variation is a necessary feature of the world which enables it to function, there would be no life as we know it without this property.

    The Manhattan Project people, 'the cognitive elite', were significantly smarter than the politicians they were working for, but they look like running dogs here. It's hard to say who benefits, or who is fooling whom. Obama is no doubt entertained, and laughs every day, at the thought of whites suckers voting for him. He thinks he got something, yet his voters also won some "freebies", as they perceive it. All sides see themselves as winners.

    Why would any creator make a universe filled with creatures significantly more primitive than itself? Entertainment? Are you entertained by ants fighting? Intellectual conversations?
     
    God wants and expects us to live in peace. What entertains him if anything, we will never know. We have not created ants, we are made of the same matter as ants. We can reshape matter already found in our environment, it's not the same as God's creating the universe. The relationship is inconceivably different.

    If you're curious you can find everything fascinating or entertaining, the little 'robots' insects are, look exciting to many people, the way bees communicate the location of nectar bearing flowers to the rest is amazing. A lot of ideas can be taken from the natural world, and used for our benefit. I am even fascinated by the very idea of an infinitesimally small point.

    I would be careful with inserting the idea of entertainment into the argument, it's a highly subjective matter. A passionate excavator operator can start a company of his own, get rich, and afford all the entertainment he wants. Different people have different ideas about entertainment, watching football, listening to music, video games, mountain climbing and other physical activity, beating the market, playing chess or violin, passionately doing research and cracking a scientific problem... Warren Buffett leads an unassuming, simple lifestyle for his financial status, there are millionaires more extravagant than he is.

    a deceptively complicated-looking snowflake is the product of a set of simple mathematical principles, so is reality I would suspect.
     
    There is a lot going on here, it's a long way to get from water molecules, to the snowflake. Mathematics is used to understand and describe reality, to make the laws of physics accessible to our minds, it doesn't answer why things are the way they are. Mathematical principles can seem counterintuitive, like the Banach-Tarski Paradox. At least to me, reality is not a set of simple mathematical principles, complexity is the foundation of the universe, everywhere I look, the explanations required to describe the world are difficult, not simple. Big questions take more than simple answers.
    , @Hibernian
    Giving guidance as to how to lead that good life in the face of the temptations of the World is the challenge for Church, Family and Community.
  97. @216
    I use the phrase "Dissident movements" to describe the various forms of "right-wing populism" in the XXI Century West.

    The phrase "Dissident movements" is a expansionary placeholder for "Alt-Right" in the visage that Steve Bannon thought it was in 2016. I dislike "Dissident Right" because I think several movements that are not right-wing are a part of this phenomenon.

    I also like using the royal we.

    I include the manosphere communities as part of the dissident movements, alongside the nationalist right. I also include the TERFs, or anti-trans feminists, who are not right-wing. The increasingly marginalized anti-war left might be included, as should black ethnonationalists like Tariq Nasheed. I would like to add various "localist movements" to the dissident realm, as they are in conflict with transnational corporations.

    The movements have conflicts with each other, but they share common enemies of neoliberalism, cultural SJWism, transnational corporations and widespread public and consumer debt.

    If Sailer is right about KKK crazy glue holding the coalition of the fringes together, you are going to need a mega size tube of super glue.

    • Replies: @216
    I was thinking a more ad hoc "Elmer's Glue" coalition model, opportunistically uniting when there is an opportunity to attack a common enemy, and then going separate ways.
    , @EastKekistani
    Coalitions of the fringes are inherently unstable simply because they are opportunistic and temporary alliances rather than long-term and stable alliances with significant shared opinions or shared interests.

    There are many examples of such coalitions such as anti-Communist coalitions in East Europe right before the fall of Communism and the anti-Maduro forces in Venezuela. SJWs are also one of them.

  98. @iffen
    If Sailer is right about KKK crazy glue holding the coalition of the fringes together, you are going to need a mega size tube of super glue.

    I was thinking a more ad hoc “Elmer’s Glue” coalition model, opportunistically uniting when there is an opportunity to attack a common enemy, and then going separate ways.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Right. Power will obviously go to the strongest rebel group in the big tent coalition of rebels.

    Although in the case of SJWs they are essentially the mob portion of a typical despot-mob alliance in order to crush everyone above who are obviously seen as potential threats to the despot.

    , @iffen
    But of course. Elmer's is white after all.
  99. @iffen
    If Sailer is right about KKK crazy glue holding the coalition of the fringes together, you are going to need a mega size tube of super glue.

    Coalitions of the fringes are inherently unstable simply because they are opportunistic and temporary alliances rather than long-term and stable alliances with significant shared opinions or shared interests.

    There are many examples of such coalitions such as anti-Communist coalitions in East Europe right before the fall of Communism and the anti-Maduro forces in Venezuela. SJWs are also one of them.

    • Replies: @216
    Matteo Salvini is bull-riding a surprisingly successful opportunistic coalition.


    The Communists took over Czechoslovakia using the "salami slicing" method.
  100. @216
    I was thinking a more ad hoc "Elmer's Glue" coalition model, opportunistically uniting when there is an opportunity to attack a common enemy, and then going separate ways.

    Right. Power will obviously go to the strongest rebel group in the big tent coalition of rebels.

    Although in the case of SJWs they are essentially the mob portion of a typical despot-mob alliance in order to crush everyone above who are obviously seen as potential threats to the despot.

  101. @EastKekistani
    The number of converts usually has nothing to do with whether a religion is factually accurate. Whether it is plausible certainly is a factor but so are social factors such as social unity, social status and coercion.

    Christianity is currently essentially a religion of fellahs from a Spenglerian point of view. So is Judaism. Islam on the other hand is currently a religion of warriors. These are not that dependent on the doctrines of the religions. Instead they are dependent on the dominant believers in the religions.

    For example Buddhism existed and still exists in both China and Japan. Buddhism in China was and is a religion if fellahs incapable of enforcing any social norm. On the other hand Buddhism in Japan was a religion of warriors capable of enforcing social norms. The difference here is not about the Buddhist religion. Instead it is about the societies of China and Japan.

    This is why converting to Islam can not uncuck a people that much. Mamluk-ruled Egyptians, Persians and Dungans (i.e. Han Chinese Muslims aka the Hui) remained cucked fellahs even though they converted to Islam while Gurkhas and Sikhs remain uncucked despite not being Muslim.

    The number of converts usually has nothing to do with whether a religion is factually accurate.

    I did not mean factual accuracy or objective truth. Rather, what the potential convert perceives to be true and ennobling. In the case of the British convert to Islam, it seems he was attracted by the more consistent dogma of Islam, a sense of belonging and the stronger faith of Muslims he came in contact with.

    Of course Islam isn’t the only religion with martial qualities and there’s plenty of Muslims who wouldn’t fight or have the will to fight if needed. But in general when compared to contemporary Christianity there’s no comparison and Islam wins. Where’s the Christian equivalent to Hezbollah or ISIS? Or of Muslim insurgencies around the Middle East?

    Centuries ago Christianity would brook no rivals and cut Muslims into cube steaks when they made forays into Europe. Today Christianity turns the other cheek and apologizes while Islam fights even when they have no moral or factual grounds to do so.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    I did not mean factual accuracy or objective truth. Rather, what the potential convert perceives to be true and ennobling. In the case of the British convert to Islam, it seems he was attracted by the more consistent dogma of Islam, a sense of belonging and the stronger faith of Muslims he came in contact with.
     
    Yep, It could be any reason including the ability to have 4 wives.

    Of course Islam isn’t the only religion with martial qualities and there’s plenty of Muslims who wouldn’t fight or have the will to fight if needed. But in general when compared to contemporary Christianity there’s no comparison and Islam wins. Where’s the Christian equivalent to Hezbollah or ISIS? Or of Muslim insurgencies around the Middle East?
     
    This is accurate. The only Christian militias I'm aware of are in Sub-Saharan Africa.

    Centuries ago Christianity would brook no rivals and cut Muslims into cube steaks when they made forays into Europe.
     
    Yes..when Muslims were rich...Now Christians are rich..

    It's not about religion. Instead decline of militarism seems to be a property of every civilization as it becomes rich and peaceful.

  102. @EastKekistani
    Coalitions of the fringes are inherently unstable simply because they are opportunistic and temporary alliances rather than long-term and stable alliances with significant shared opinions or shared interests.

    There are many examples of such coalitions such as anti-Communist coalitions in East Europe right before the fall of Communism and the anti-Maduro forces in Venezuela. SJWs are also one of them.

    Matteo Salvini is bull-riding a surprisingly successful opportunistic coalition.

    The Communists took over Czechoslovakia using the “salami slicing” method.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Matteo Salvini is bull-riding a surprisingly successful opportunistic coalition.
     
    Yes and I think he will succeed. Nationalism is something comparable to religion in terms of strength so he will do well. The Five Star Movement looks like a weak partner. I'm a techie and I like it. Anything that tends to appeal to techies such as environmentalism, libertarianism and technocracy tend to be politically weak simply because most people don't think like techies and techies don't like fighting.

    The Communists took over Czechoslovakia using the “salami slicing” method.
     
    Yep. However that's not the most important reason why it succeeded. The most important reason is the presence of Soviet troops.
  103. @216
    I was thinking a more ad hoc "Elmer's Glue" coalition model, opportunistically uniting when there is an opportunity to attack a common enemy, and then going separate ways.

    But of course. Elmer’s is white after all.

    • Troll: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    Oops - sorry - that was supposed to be LOL!

    Peace.
  104. @KenH

    The number of converts usually has nothing to do with whether a religion is factually accurate.
     
    I did not mean factual accuracy or objective truth. Rather, what the potential convert perceives to be true and ennobling. In the case of the British convert to Islam, it seems he was attracted by the more consistent dogma of Islam, a sense of belonging and the stronger faith of Muslims he came in contact with.

    Of course Islam isn't the only religion with martial qualities and there's plenty of Muslims who wouldn't fight or have the will to fight if needed. But in general when compared to contemporary Christianity there's no comparison and Islam wins. Where's the Christian equivalent to Hezbollah or ISIS? Or of Muslim insurgencies around the Middle East?

    Centuries ago Christianity would brook no rivals and cut Muslims into cube steaks when they made forays into Europe. Today Christianity turns the other cheek and apologizes while Islam fights even when they have no moral or factual grounds to do so.

    I did not mean factual accuracy or objective truth. Rather, what the potential convert perceives to be true and ennobling. In the case of the British convert to Islam, it seems he was attracted by the more consistent dogma of Islam, a sense of belonging and the stronger faith of Muslims he came in contact with.

    Yep, It could be any reason including the ability to have 4 wives.

    Of course Islam isn’t the only religion with martial qualities and there’s plenty of Muslims who wouldn’t fight or have the will to fight if needed. But in general when compared to contemporary Christianity there’s no comparison and Islam wins. Where’s the Christian equivalent to Hezbollah or ISIS? Or of Muslim insurgencies around the Middle East?

    This is accurate. The only Christian militias I’m aware of are in Sub-Saharan Africa.

    Centuries ago Christianity would brook no rivals and cut Muslims into cube steaks when they made forays into Europe.

    Yes..when Muslims were rich…Now Christians are rich..

    It’s not about religion. Instead decline of militarism seems to be a property of every civilization as it becomes rich and peaceful.

    • Replies: @Talha

    The only Christian militias I’m aware of are in Sub-Saharan Africa.
     
    There used to be a few in the Lebanese civil war.

    There are still some pretty militant-type Christians, the one thing they all seem to be very gung-ho about is going to war for Israel.

    Peace.
    , @KenH

    Yep, It could be any reason including the ability to have 4 wives.
     
    LOL. Yes, that too, or 70 virgins to greet you after blowing yourself up in a truck bomb attack.

    It’s not about religion. Instead decline of militarism seems to be a property of every civilization as it becomes rich and peaceful.
     
    Hard to argue with. The vast and unprecedented material wealth and luxury created by Western man has corrupted and weakened us.

    That's how the Visigothic kings lost Spain. Pampered by over 200 years of wealth and luxury the spoiled descendants of the Visigoths weren't the fierce warriors and conquerors that their forbears were and as such they were bested by Muslim invaders who were more warlike and animated by religious piety and conquest.

    Then after around 200 years the wealth and luxury of Spain softened the Muslim conquerors and Christian armies, now animated by religious piety and reconquest instead of material luxury, began slowly driving them back starting in the far North of Spain.
  105. @216
    Matteo Salvini is bull-riding a surprisingly successful opportunistic coalition.


    The Communists took over Czechoslovakia using the "salami slicing" method.

    Matteo Salvini is bull-riding a surprisingly successful opportunistic coalition.

    Yes and I think he will succeed. Nationalism is something comparable to religion in terms of strength so he will do well. The Five Star Movement looks like a weak partner. I’m a techie and I like it. Anything that tends to appeal to techies such as environmentalism, libertarianism and technocracy tend to be politically weak simply because most people don’t think like techies and techies don’t like fighting.

    The Communists took over Czechoslovakia using the “salami slicing” method.

    Yep. However that’s not the most important reason why it succeeded. The most important reason is the presence of Soviet troops.

    • Replies: @216
    One aspect of coalition building that is difficult in the US is the function of the direct primary system. In the times of party bosses and smoke-filled rooms, the ticket would contain figures from different ideological wings of each party, in order to placate supporters.

    In our current system, dependent upon large donors and media exposure, this isn't really possible. The GOP nominated five white males for the state offices in Ohio last year (who won), which would not happen under a boss system or a parliamentary system. Each campaign also tends to run itself without cooordinating much with the other campaigns.

    So in 2012, Ron Paul supporters actually took over several state parties, only to discover that state parties have no institutional power whatsoever. No one in the GOP thought to recover the old wisdom of placating Ron Paul supporters with something more tangible than a minor convention speech.
  106. @iffen
    we believe whites have the high intelligence and tangible qualities that create highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations

    Apparently not high enough to defend against fake news and history.

    I actually believe that )))we((( did all that stuff [highly advanced and highly livable, prosperous nations] with a big assist from (((them))).

    This is one of the problems that WNs are unwilling or unable to address. They’ll claim that [Ashkenazi] Jewish intelligence/IQ is a lie, that Jews really only succeed because of their ingroup preference; and then in the same breath claim that such a tiny minority of people somehow brainwashed half the white people in the country, a feat that not even the most brilliant European kings and conquerors were able to achieve with that level of success.

    Which is it? Are Jews just a moderately-intelligent, highly-nepotistic ethnic group, like high-caste Indians or Arabs, or are they devils with superpowers able to mind-control populations 50 times their size? Or are WNs saying that Jews accomplish this in spite of not being that smart, implying that white gentiles are unique in their simple-mindedness and naivete?

    Or perhaps it is neither, and Jews are like any other market-dominant minority, and the Anglo-American Empire is going through the exact same cosmopolitan stage of the exact same civilizational cycle that every other great empire has gone through. But that’s not as emotionally-satisfying an explanation as the childish Marxist theories.

    • Agree: iffen, Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216
    One way to square the circle is to argue that the Jewish IQ advantage is verbal. IIRC, there is also a refrain about an "infant/strangers" study, where Asheknazi Israeli infants had the worst reaction.

    There have also been some Sephardic giants, the Safras are an example. The IQ advantage is commonly linked to high fertility among the most exceptional rabbinical scholars. The Oriental IQ advantage is said to be a result of the Confucian exams.

    It's not that controversial to argue that Blue Banana Euro-descended populations are the most individualistic and trusting populations. Blank slatists will claim this is just a feature of liberalism.

    ---

    The principal sources of Jewish cultural power in the West comes from three sectors, where nepotism is unquantifiable and unchallenged:
    -Media/Entertainment
    -Academia
    -Law and politics

    Jewish achivement in the hard sciences does generate cultural power, but not to the same degree. Success in business is useful to the extent that the wealth tends to support the cultural triad, no one seems to regard Zuck as a heroic figure, but they do admire and covet his cash.

    Contrast that with Elon Musk, who cares not one whit about Afrikaners, but is a popular anti-hero. If there is an indefinite number of simulations, in one of them a super-Calvinist Musk holds his rightful position as President of South Africa.
    , @Thomm

    Which is it? Are Jews just a moderately-intelligent, highly-nepotistic ethnic group, like high-caste Indians or Arabs, or are they devils with superpowers able to mind-control populations 50 times their size? Or are WNs saying that Jews accomplish this in spite of not being that smart, implying that white gentiles are unique in their simple-mindedness and naivete?
     
    I have long pointed out this contradiction in the White Trashionalist narrative. When I articulated the same, I got over 40 heated replies, none of which could explain the contradictions.

    See here :

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/a-passionate-attachment/#comment-3022720
  107. @EastKekistani

    I did not mean factual accuracy or objective truth. Rather, what the potential convert perceives to be true and ennobling. In the case of the British convert to Islam, it seems he was attracted by the more consistent dogma of Islam, a sense of belonging and the stronger faith of Muslims he came in contact with.
     
    Yep, It could be any reason including the ability to have 4 wives.

    Of course Islam isn’t the only religion with martial qualities and there’s plenty of Muslims who wouldn’t fight or have the will to fight if needed. But in general when compared to contemporary Christianity there’s no comparison and Islam wins. Where’s the Christian equivalent to Hezbollah or ISIS? Or of Muslim insurgencies around the Middle East?
     
    This is accurate. The only Christian militias I'm aware of are in Sub-Saharan Africa.

    Centuries ago Christianity would brook no rivals and cut Muslims into cube steaks when they made forays into Europe.
     
    Yes..when Muslims were rich...Now Christians are rich..

    It's not about religion. Instead decline of militarism seems to be a property of every civilization as it becomes rich and peaceful.

    The only Christian militias I’m aware of are in Sub-Saharan Africa.

    There used to be a few in the Lebanese civil war.

    There are still some pretty militant-type Christians, the one thing they all seem to be very gung-ho about is going to war for Israel.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    There used to be a few in the Lebanese civil war.
     
    Right. I forgot about Kataeb Regulatory Forces.

    There are still some pretty militant-type Christians, the one thing they all seem to be very gung-ho about is going to war for Israel.
     
    Do they actually fight or do they just scream in favor of Israel all the time?
  108. @iffen
    But of course. Elmer's is white after all.

    Oops – sorry – that was supposed to be LOL!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Either seems appropriate.
  109. @EastKekistani

    Matteo Salvini is bull-riding a surprisingly successful opportunistic coalition.
     
    Yes and I think he will succeed. Nationalism is something comparable to religion in terms of strength so he will do well. The Five Star Movement looks like a weak partner. I'm a techie and I like it. Anything that tends to appeal to techies such as environmentalism, libertarianism and technocracy tend to be politically weak simply because most people don't think like techies and techies don't like fighting.

    The Communists took over Czechoslovakia using the “salami slicing” method.
     
    Yep. However that's not the most important reason why it succeeded. The most important reason is the presence of Soviet troops.

    One aspect of coalition building that is difficult in the US is the function of the direct primary system. In the times of party bosses and smoke-filled rooms, the ticket would contain figures from different ideological wings of each party, in order to placate supporters.

    In our current system, dependent upon large donors and media exposure, this isn’t really possible. The GOP nominated five white males for the state offices in Ohio last year (who won), which would not happen under a boss system or a parliamentary system. Each campaign also tends to run itself without cooordinating much with the other campaigns.

    So in 2012, Ron Paul supporters actually took over several state parties, only to discover that state parties have no institutional power whatsoever. No one in the GOP thought to recover the old wisdom of placating Ron Paul supporters with something more tangible than a minor convention speech.

  110. @Talha
    Oops - sorry - that was supposed to be LOL!

    Peace.

    Either seems appropriate.

  111. @Michael S
    This is one of the problems that WNs are unwilling or unable to address. They'll claim that [Ashkenazi] Jewish intelligence/IQ is a lie, that Jews really only succeed because of their ingroup preference; and then in the same breath claim that such a tiny minority of people somehow brainwashed half the white people in the country, a feat that not even the most brilliant European kings and conquerors were able to achieve with that level of success.

    Which is it? Are Jews just a moderately-intelligent, highly-nepotistic ethnic group, like high-caste Indians or Arabs, or are they devils with superpowers able to mind-control populations 50 times their size? Or are WNs saying that Jews accomplish this in spite of not being that smart, implying that white gentiles are unique in their simple-mindedness and naivete?

    Or perhaps it is neither, and Jews are like any other market-dominant minority, and the Anglo-American Empire is going through the exact same cosmopolitan stage of the exact same civilizational cycle that every other great empire has gone through. But that's not as emotionally-satisfying an explanation as the childish Marxist theories.

    One way to square the circle is to argue that the Jewish IQ advantage is verbal. IIRC, there is also a refrain about an “infant/strangers” study, where Asheknazi Israeli infants had the worst reaction.

    There have also been some Sephardic giants, the Safras are an example. The IQ advantage is commonly linked to high fertility among the most exceptional rabbinical scholars. The Oriental IQ advantage is said to be a result of the Confucian exams.

    It’s not that controversial to argue that Blue Banana Euro-descended populations are the most individualistic and trusting populations. Blank slatists will claim this is just a feature of liberalism.

    The principal sources of Jewish cultural power in the West comes from three sectors, where nepotism is unquantifiable and unchallenged:
    -Media/Entertainment
    -Academia
    -Law and politics

    Jewish achivement in the hard sciences does generate cultural power, but not to the same degree. Success in business is useful to the extent that the wealth tends to support the cultural triad, no one seems to regard Zuck as a heroic figure, but they do admire and covet his cash.

    Contrast that with Elon Musk, who cares not one whit about Afrikaners, but is a popular anti-hero. If there is an indefinite number of simulations, in one of them a super-Calvinist Musk holds his rightful position as President of South Africa.

    • Replies: @Michael S
    It can certainly be argued that there's a lot of Jewish overrepresentation in media, academia and law. It is, indeed, absolutely undeniable that Jews in those professions are contributing to America's decline, sometimes in highly visible and obvious ways.

    To say the overrepresentation is entirely due to nepotism is begging the question, though. The level of nepotism being implied requires already being entrenched in order to pull off. How did they get there? Who gave them that power?

    And is there evidence that they are more highly overrepresented in these professions than in any other intellectual field? If not, why not? And if so, have you considered other explanations, such as Jews gravitating toward those professions for cultural reasons, while white gentiles tend to look upon the same professions (law, banking, etc.) with disdain and avoid them when possible? I'm not saying that explains it 100%, just that it's observable to some extent and yet I never hear it talked about in WN circles.

    Perhaps this is all splitting hairs. On the whole I pretty much agree with what you're saying, and was more or less how "WN 2.0" presented the issue. The problem is, it seems to have largely regressed back to the "global Jewish conspiracy" ideas of WN 1.0. Maybe you don't espouse that personally, but in general there's a quality problem.

    Personally, I think Jews were a productive and mostly harmless minority until after WWII when America decided to accept a ton of Soviet Jews, most of whom were quite literally communists. Just like Muslims here were basically harmless until we started taking in a bunch of low-functioning migrants from Somalia and wherever else we decided to bomb. It doesn't change the current ethnic reality, of course, and if tensions heat up then no one is going to care. But I happen to find the history interesting, and there's a big difference between importing a bunch of Jews vs. importing a bunch of Communists who happen to be Jewish.
  112. @EastKekistani

    I did not mean factual accuracy or objective truth. Rather, what the potential convert perceives to be true and ennobling. In the case of the British convert to Islam, it seems he was attracted by the more consistent dogma of Islam, a sense of belonging and the stronger faith of Muslims he came in contact with.
     
    Yep, It could be any reason including the ability to have 4 wives.

    Of course Islam isn’t the only religion with martial qualities and there’s plenty of Muslims who wouldn’t fight or have the will to fight if needed. But in general when compared to contemporary Christianity there’s no comparison and Islam wins. Where’s the Christian equivalent to Hezbollah or ISIS? Or of Muslim insurgencies around the Middle East?
     
    This is accurate. The only Christian militias I'm aware of are in Sub-Saharan Africa.

    Centuries ago Christianity would brook no rivals and cut Muslims into cube steaks when they made forays into Europe.
     
    Yes..when Muslims were rich...Now Christians are rich..

    It's not about religion. Instead decline of militarism seems to be a property of every civilization as it becomes rich and peaceful.

    Yep, It could be any reason including the ability to have 4 wives.

    LOL. Yes, that too, or 70 virgins to greet you after blowing yourself up in a truck bomb attack.

    It’s not about religion. Instead decline of militarism seems to be a property of every civilization as it becomes rich and peaceful.

    Hard to argue with. The vast and unprecedented material wealth and luxury created by Western man has corrupted and weakened us.

    That’s how the Visigothic kings lost Spain. Pampered by over 200 years of wealth and luxury the spoiled descendants of the Visigoths weren’t the fierce warriors and conquerors that their forbears were and as such they were bested by Muslim invaders who were more warlike and animated by religious piety and conquest.

    Then after around 200 years the wealth and luxury of Spain softened the Muslim conquerors and Christian armies, now animated by religious piety and reconquest instead of material luxury, began slowly driving them back starting in the far North of Spain.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    LOL. Yes, that too, or 70 virgins to greet you after blowing yourself up in a truck bomb attack.
     
    Yes, you and I find this funny. On the other hand to Western incels it isn't exactly just funny.. Many may be trying to look for wives in Islam. Ironically prohibition of polygyny in the West actually makes it easier to find a wife in Islam.

    P.S. Ironically a lot of Muslim men are actually incel because even just a little bit of polygyny can cause A LOT OF incel. These incels are probably responsible for a lot of terrorism.


    Hard to argue with. The vast and unprecedented material wealth and luxury created by Western man has corrupted and weakened us.
     
    That's just how evolution works.

    That’s how the Visigothic kings lost Spain. Pampered by over 200 years of wealth and luxury the spoiled descendants of the Visigoths weren’t the fierce warriors and conquerors that their forbears were and as such they were bested by Muslim invaders who were more warlike and animated by religious piety and conquest.

    Then after around 200 years the wealth and luxury of Spain softened the Muslim conquerors and Christian armies, now animated by religious piety and reconquest instead of material luxury, began slowly driving them back starting in the far North of Spain.
     

    Yep.
  113. I’m the only true race-ist.

    Ism means belief, and race + ism should mean belief in the reality of race and racial differences.

    Also, imperialism is supremacist, and nationalism is defensive.

    White nationalists want to defend their nations from globo-homo Jewish nationalism.

  114. @KenH

    Yep, It could be any reason including the ability to have 4 wives.
     
    LOL. Yes, that too, or 70 virgins to greet you after blowing yourself up in a truck bomb attack.

    It’s not about religion. Instead decline of militarism seems to be a property of every civilization as it becomes rich and peaceful.
     
    Hard to argue with. The vast and unprecedented material wealth and luxury created by Western man has corrupted and weakened us.

    That's how the Visigothic kings lost Spain. Pampered by over 200 years of wealth and luxury the spoiled descendants of the Visigoths weren't the fierce warriors and conquerors that their forbears were and as such they were bested by Muslim invaders who were more warlike and animated by religious piety and conquest.

    Then after around 200 years the wealth and luxury of Spain softened the Muslim conquerors and Christian armies, now animated by religious piety and reconquest instead of material luxury, began slowly driving them back starting in the far North of Spain.

    LOL. Yes, that too, or 70 virgins to greet you after blowing yourself up in a truck bomb attack.

    Yes, you and I find this funny. On the other hand to Western incels it isn’t exactly just funny.. Many may be trying to look for wives in Islam. Ironically prohibition of polygyny in the West actually makes it easier to find a wife in Islam.

    P.S. Ironically a lot of Muslim men are actually incel because even just a little bit of polygyny can cause A LOT OF incel. These incels are probably responsible for a lot of terrorism.

    Hard to argue with. The vast and unprecedented material wealth and luxury created by Western man has corrupted and weakened us.

    That’s just how evolution works.

    That’s how the Visigothic kings lost Spain. Pampered by over 200 years of wealth and luxury the spoiled descendants of the Visigoths weren’t the fierce warriors and conquerors that their forbears were and as such they were bested by Muslim invaders who were more warlike and animated by religious piety and conquest.

    Then after around 200 years the wealth and luxury of Spain softened the Muslim conquerors and Christian armies, now animated by religious piety and reconquest instead of material luxury, began slowly driving them back starting in the far North of Spain.

    Yep.

  115. @Talha

    The only Christian militias I’m aware of are in Sub-Saharan Africa.
     
    There used to be a few in the Lebanese civil war.

    There are still some pretty militant-type Christians, the one thing they all seem to be very gung-ho about is going to war for Israel.

    Peace.

    There used to be a few in the Lebanese civil war.

    Right. I forgot about Kataeb Regulatory Forces.

    There are still some pretty militant-type Christians, the one thing they all seem to be very gung-ho about is going to war for Israel.

    Do they actually fight or do they just scream in favor of Israel all the time?

    • Replies: @Talha
    Were those guys the same as the ones who did the Sabra and Shatilla massacre?

    As far as Evangelicals fighting, I think plenty of them sign up in the armed forces. There’s this Jewish guy (former veteran, I believe) who is constantly waging legal war against these Evangelical guys for bringing religion into the barracks.

    Peace.

  116. @216
    One way to square the circle is to argue that the Jewish IQ advantage is verbal. IIRC, there is also a refrain about an "infant/strangers" study, where Asheknazi Israeli infants had the worst reaction.

    There have also been some Sephardic giants, the Safras are an example. The IQ advantage is commonly linked to high fertility among the most exceptional rabbinical scholars. The Oriental IQ advantage is said to be a result of the Confucian exams.

    It's not that controversial to argue that Blue Banana Euro-descended populations are the most individualistic and trusting populations. Blank slatists will claim this is just a feature of liberalism.

    ---

    The principal sources of Jewish cultural power in the West comes from three sectors, where nepotism is unquantifiable and unchallenged:
    -Media/Entertainment
    -Academia
    -Law and politics

    Jewish achivement in the hard sciences does generate cultural power, but not to the same degree. Success in business is useful to the extent that the wealth tends to support the cultural triad, no one seems to regard Zuck as a heroic figure, but they do admire and covet his cash.

    Contrast that with Elon Musk, who cares not one whit about Afrikaners, but is a popular anti-hero. If there is an indefinite number of simulations, in one of them a super-Calvinist Musk holds his rightful position as President of South Africa.

    It can certainly be argued that there’s a lot of Jewish overrepresentation in media, academia and law. It is, indeed, absolutely undeniable that Jews in those professions are contributing to America’s decline, sometimes in highly visible and obvious ways.

    To say the overrepresentation is entirely due to nepotism is begging the question, though. The level of nepotism being implied requires already being entrenched in order to pull off. How did they get there? Who gave them that power?

    And is there evidence that they are more highly overrepresented in these professions than in any other intellectual field? If not, why not? And if so, have you considered other explanations, such as Jews gravitating toward those professions for cultural reasons, while white gentiles tend to look upon the same professions (law, banking, etc.) with disdain and avoid them when possible? I’m not saying that explains it 100%, just that it’s observable to some extent and yet I never hear it talked about in WN circles.

    Perhaps this is all splitting hairs. On the whole I pretty much agree with what you’re saying, and was more or less how “WN 2.0” presented the issue. The problem is, it seems to have largely regressed back to the “global Jewish conspiracy” ideas of WN 1.0. Maybe you don’t espouse that personally, but in general there’s a quality problem.

    Personally, I think Jews were a productive and mostly harmless minority until after WWII when America decided to accept a ton of Soviet Jews, most of whom were quite literally communists. Just like Muslims here were basically harmless until we started taking in a bunch of low-functioning migrants from Somalia and wherever else we decided to bomb. It doesn’t change the current ethnic reality, of course, and if tensions heat up then no one is going to care. But I happen to find the history interesting, and there’s a big difference between importing a bunch of Jews vs. importing a bunch of Communists who happen to be Jewish.

    • Replies: @216

    Personally, I think Jews were a productive and mostly harmless minority until after WWII when America decided to accept a ton of Soviet Jews, most of whom were quite literally communists. Just like Muslims here were basically harmless until we started taking in a bunch of low-functioning migrants from Somalia and wherever else we decided to bomb. It doesn’t change the current ethnic reality, of course, and if tensions heat up then no one is going to care. But I happen to find the history interesting, and there’s a big difference between importing a bunch of Jews vs. importing a bunch of Communists who happen to be Jewish.
     
    That's odd to me. In my experience Jackson-Vanik Soviet Jews tended to be rather anti-communist. We didn't admit a large number of Jews after WW2, the major waves came over from 1880-1914, as a result of pogroms following the assasination of Tsar Alexander II, along with the opportunity to make a lot more money in the US. These were the radicals.

    The earlier smaller number of Jews were mostly Sephardic or German Ashkenazi, one of them was the No. 3 official in the Confederacy, Judah Benjamin. Their political impact was rather negligible, hence adopting Alexander Hamilton as the honorary Jewish Founding Father.

    And if so, have you considered other explanations, such as Jews gravitating toward those professions for cultural reasons, while white gentiles tend to look upon the same professions (law, banking, etc.) with disdain and avoid them when possible?
     
    Perhaps its my provincialism, but this struck me as even stranger. Very few white gentiles would look askance at working as a lawyer or working for a bank. The Bar and the Banks are not institutionally popular to be sure, but individually they are still respected as upper-middle class professions versus say working in the construction industry. I do think there should be suspicion cast upon lawyers, as law school is recklessly expensive, which is why I didn't go.

    I do sense a disdain among some whites for working in Asian-dominated STEM fields, and on a personal basis I feel I should have been pushed harder in math. I tend to side with the evidence that casts doubt on the "STEM shortage" however, I suspect a tech industry reluctance to both pay higher wages and train/retrain older workers.
  117. @EastKekistani

    There used to be a few in the Lebanese civil war.
     
    Right. I forgot about Kataeb Regulatory Forces.

    There are still some pretty militant-type Christians, the one thing they all seem to be very gung-ho about is going to war for Israel.
     
    Do they actually fight or do they just scream in favor of Israel all the time?

    Were those guys the same as the ones who did the Sabra and Shatilla massacre?

    As far as Evangelicals fighting, I think plenty of them sign up in the armed forces. There’s this Jewish guy (former veteran, I believe) who is constantly waging legal war against these Evangelical guys for bringing religion into the barracks.

    Peace.

  118. @Michael S
    It can certainly be argued that there's a lot of Jewish overrepresentation in media, academia and law. It is, indeed, absolutely undeniable that Jews in those professions are contributing to America's decline, sometimes in highly visible and obvious ways.

    To say the overrepresentation is entirely due to nepotism is begging the question, though. The level of nepotism being implied requires already being entrenched in order to pull off. How did they get there? Who gave them that power?

    And is there evidence that they are more highly overrepresented in these professions than in any other intellectual field? If not, why not? And if so, have you considered other explanations, such as Jews gravitating toward those professions for cultural reasons, while white gentiles tend to look upon the same professions (law, banking, etc.) with disdain and avoid them when possible? I'm not saying that explains it 100%, just that it's observable to some extent and yet I never hear it talked about in WN circles.

    Perhaps this is all splitting hairs. On the whole I pretty much agree with what you're saying, and was more or less how "WN 2.0" presented the issue. The problem is, it seems to have largely regressed back to the "global Jewish conspiracy" ideas of WN 1.0. Maybe you don't espouse that personally, but in general there's a quality problem.

    Personally, I think Jews were a productive and mostly harmless minority until after WWII when America decided to accept a ton of Soviet Jews, most of whom were quite literally communists. Just like Muslims here were basically harmless until we started taking in a bunch of low-functioning migrants from Somalia and wherever else we decided to bomb. It doesn't change the current ethnic reality, of course, and if tensions heat up then no one is going to care. But I happen to find the history interesting, and there's a big difference between importing a bunch of Jews vs. importing a bunch of Communists who happen to be Jewish.

    Personally, I think Jews were a productive and mostly harmless minority until after WWII when America decided to accept a ton of Soviet Jews, most of whom were quite literally communists. Just like Muslims here were basically harmless until we started taking in a bunch of low-functioning migrants from Somalia and wherever else we decided to bomb. It doesn’t change the current ethnic reality, of course, and if tensions heat up then no one is going to care. But I happen to find the history interesting, and there’s a big difference between importing a bunch of Jews vs. importing a bunch of Communists who happen to be Jewish.

    That’s odd to me. In my experience Jackson-Vanik Soviet Jews tended to be rather anti-communist. We didn’t admit a large number of Jews after WW2, the major waves came over from 1880-1914, as a result of pogroms following the assasination of Tsar Alexander II, along with the opportunity to make a lot more money in the US. These were the radicals.

    The earlier smaller number of Jews were mostly Sephardic or German Ashkenazi, one of them was the No. 3 official in the Confederacy, Judah Benjamin. Their political impact was rather negligible, hence adopting Alexander Hamilton as the honorary Jewish Founding Father.

    And if so, have you considered other explanations, such as Jews gravitating toward those professions for cultural reasons, while white gentiles tend to look upon the same professions (law, banking, etc.) with disdain and avoid them when possible?

    Perhaps its my provincialism, but this struck me as even stranger. Very few white gentiles would look askance at working as a lawyer or working for a bank. The Bar and the Banks are not institutionally popular to be sure, but individually they are still respected as upper-middle class professions versus say working in the construction industry. I do think there should be suspicion cast upon lawyers, as law school is recklessly expensive, which is why I didn’t go.

    I do sense a disdain among some whites for working in Asian-dominated STEM fields, and on a personal basis I feel I should have been pushed harder in math. I tend to side with the evidence that casts doubt on the “STEM shortage” however, I suspect a tech industry reluctance to both pay higher wages and train/retrain older workers.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "...adopting Alexander Hamilton as the honorary Jewish Founding Father."

    Isn't Hamilton the honorary Black Founding Father?
  119. If simulations are possible, we are almost certainly in one, because if they are possible then there should effectively be an infinite number of simulations.

    Au contraire.  If simulations are possible, they are going to be much smaller and slower than the universe in which they are run.  We people on Earth might be able to run a simulation of a small fraction of a tiny planet, limited by data and energy.  You can consider this like a geometric series where each succeding term is small compared to what comes before; if you can simulate even as much as 0.001 of a universe using the resources of a universe, the number of simulated people is going to be tiny compared to the number of real ones.

    Maybe we’re in a simulation, but that is not the way to bet.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    If what I'm experiencing is a simulation, everyone I'm communicating with here is an NPC. The universe I'm existing in is thus much, much smaller than I assume it to be. When I sleep is when the processes catch up. If I don't get enough sleep, the simulation gets goofy.
  120. A white nationalist, defined as “one of a group of whites who advocate a state where only they, whites, can be citizens.
    Something like Saudi Arabia. Or Israel.

    It’s O.K. to be afraid. Free will and such.
    Character, too.
    .

  121. @Michael S
    This is one of the problems that WNs are unwilling or unable to address. They'll claim that [Ashkenazi] Jewish intelligence/IQ is a lie, that Jews really only succeed because of their ingroup preference; and then in the same breath claim that such a tiny minority of people somehow brainwashed half the white people in the country, a feat that not even the most brilliant European kings and conquerors were able to achieve with that level of success.

    Which is it? Are Jews just a moderately-intelligent, highly-nepotistic ethnic group, like high-caste Indians or Arabs, or are they devils with superpowers able to mind-control populations 50 times their size? Or are WNs saying that Jews accomplish this in spite of not being that smart, implying that white gentiles are unique in their simple-mindedness and naivete?

    Or perhaps it is neither, and Jews are like any other market-dominant minority, and the Anglo-American Empire is going through the exact same cosmopolitan stage of the exact same civilizational cycle that every other great empire has gone through. But that's not as emotionally-satisfying an explanation as the childish Marxist theories.

    Which is it? Are Jews just a moderately-intelligent, highly-nepotistic ethnic group, like high-caste Indians or Arabs, or are they devils with superpowers able to mind-control populations 50 times their size? Or are WNs saying that Jews accomplish this in spite of not being that smart, implying that white gentiles are unique in their simple-mindedness and naivete?

    I have long pointed out this contradiction in the White Trashionalist narrative. When I articulated the same, I got over 40 heated replies, none of which could explain the contradictions.

    See here :

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/a-passionate-attachment/#comment-3022720

  122. @iffen
    white race is inherently superior to other races

    Races differ in their mean IQ. Said IQ predicts "success" in the modern environment. Is "success" in the modern environment defined as "superior"?

    Material success, yeah, but it’s not that strong a predictor on an individual level–much more so on a societal one (ie smart fraction theory). But in terms of other things like mental health, fertility (the ultimate measure of success so far as there is one!), drug addiction, and other quality of life issues, there isn’t a racial progression that parallels that of IQ.

  123. @Bill Jones
    "A white nationalist, defined as “one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy"

    Who defined this?
    Why were they allowed to?
    Why should anybody follow their diktats?


    I am a white nationalist by which I mean whites should have their own countries because they know best what is best for them and their culture. And ditto blacks etc etc.

    That strikes me as a perfectly sensible position on the left’s own terms. If reparations are owed and white privilege is something every white person is saturated in by merely being white, why wouldn’t the argument be to give non-white groups their own places away from white depredation? To the response that systematic racism has set them back X years/X amount should come a process for understanding how much is owed and giving it to them.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    The underlying, and never to be acknowledged, truth is that blacks demand and assume the right to have access to whites and the creations of whites on their own terms.

    As the first black mayor of Atlanta said, when told that whites would flee the city in response to his policies, "we will follow you".


    (Some kind chap on Unz once provided me with a good cite for this quote but it is, alas, gone)
  124. @Anonymous
    And yet you seem to be accepting that Jewy definition of white nationalism like it's not a big deal.

    Don't you get it? Describing white nationalism as a virulent form of white supremacism is a deliberate ploy to criminalise white nationalism in white nations. It's meant to mute, gag, and ultimately imprison all natural immune reactions in our homelands.

    Right. The question they won’t answer becomes what to call the desire for a people to have self-determination. Not supremacy, not exploitation, just the freedom to organize societies for themselves and their posterity. They have to pretend that such a question is nothing more than cover for a desire to dominate.

  125. @216
    In the media/academic narrative, which is what the vast majority of people rely on, White Nationalism is indistinguishable with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism.

    This narrative is not alterable without the use of state power.

    My goal is a "white identity politics" based on the Singapore/Israel model.

    I'd call it a "constitutional fascism" qua "democratic socialism". But the term "fascist" is unviable and too militaristic for my taste. So I prefer "sovereigntist", which is what Quebec nationalists call themselves (souveranisme)

    There are leading Democrat pols openly celebrating identity politics, Stacey Abrams being the most salient example at the moment, so “white identity politics” may be the best tact to take. As you correctly point out, “white nationalism” is a ‘toxic’ phrase in large part due to the fact that “black nationalism” is similarly toxic. But “identity politics” is not, so it’s a tougher rhetorical sell to argue that identity politics for whites is inherently evil. I suppose the response will be that non-white identity politics never led to anything bad (imperial Japan?!) while white identity politics = Hitler.

    • Replies: @216
    The argument normally is either:

    A. The GOP already practices the worst kind of identity politics, by claiming that only rural White Evangelical Protestants are real Americans. Non-white identity politics is "self-defense".

    B. White Christians are privileged and impossible be discriminated against due to race or religion. Their failings are their own fault, where they couldn't succeed in a game rigged for them. Their real enemy is capitalists.

    C. Whites are fully deracinated, and fail to recognize that non-white identity politics is just an outburst from people who by socio-economic circumstance cannot fully deracinate into a middle-class suburban existance.

    The real turnover is the left's newfound embrace of moralistic arguments, which has succeeded fairly well with "white college" voters. Of course, they haven't yet been forced to actually tithe in the collection plate. The idea that normie whites need to be humbled in the wake of inequality and environmental damage, is not too far from what Dissidents believe. A major challenge for the left is that "white guilt is itself a form of white identity politics". This could backfire on them.
  126. @EastKekistani

    In the media/academic narrative, which is what the vast majority of people rely on, White Nationalism is indistinguishable with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism.
     
    In fact this does not really matter to me. As long as people don't push for an ethnoglobe or something similar, that is, plans that include extermination of NE Asian people which will be very costly because we have a lot of nukes and other WMD I don't in fact give a shit.

    Even if you want to genocide Latin America for example it is none of my business as long as the Japanese, Chinese and Korean folks get out and get their property out before it.


    My goal is a “white identity politics” based on the Singapore/Israel model.

    I’d call it a “constitutional fascism” qua “democratic socialism”. But the term “fascist” is unviable and too militaristic for my taste. So I prefer “sovereigntist”, which is what Quebec nationalists call themselves (souveranisme)
     

    That's cool! Good luck! I think it works at least in the New World.

    The vast majority of whites are never going to be able to express indifference to genocide. It is, unironically, not who we are.

  127. @Michael S
    Was this post prompted by a specific incident, or are you just worried about the general social climate?

    The latter. It is clear what our rulers are trying to do–normalize the dehumanization of all people deemed “white nationalists”, “white supremacists”, “white separatists”, etc on nothing more than the accusation of their being as much. All the major cultural pillars are content to go along with this to get along with it–big religion, big business, academia, etc.

    The one place we legitimately may yet find recourse is in the courts, especially when the targets are not public figures. If Sandmann gets a settlement–or even better, a judgment–that will put our persecutors on serious notice. And if he does, it should be pedal to the metal for others like him who have been defamed.

    • Replies: @iffen

    It is clear what our rulers are trying to do–normalize the dehumanization of all people deemed “white nationalists”, “white supremacists”, “white separatists”, etc on nothing more than the accusation of their being as much. All the major cultural pillars are content to go along with this to get along with it–big religion, big business, academia, etc.
     
    I think that it's called executing critical race theory.
  128. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable."

    If this is a reference to breaking up the US, then I have a problem with it. First who gets where? for sake of argument, I'll go by the suggested borders I've seen. Whites basically get the Montana Territory and the Dakotas? Strategically terrible. Totally landlocked. Likely surrounded by enemies. No access to ports. Must pay our enemies tariffs to import/export. Plenty of fossil fuels but limited farmland.

    Next - we have already established that blacks are incapable of maintaining much of anything, let alone a country. So valuable land (southeast I suppose) is going to be handed to a group of people that cannot manage it, so the white country will share a border with best case, a North Korea, and worst case, a Liberia. What, exactly, leads anyone to believe that people from a country like that will not be attempting to sneak into the white country and or just invade in an effort to obtain basic necessities to survive?

    The west coast will, for all intents and purposes, become North Mexico, and what stops the hordes of their mestizo underclass from illegally entering the white country, if not threat of violence?

    The East will be the progressive utopia, right up until it isn't, but in the meantime, is this country that will be made up of raging SJW leftist lunatics and the bulk of the coalition of the fringes, somehow NOT going to be a hostile enemy to the white country?

    Someone help me out here, because all this talk of peaceful partition or whatever seems more like all the whites jumping into a barrel so they may be easier to shoot at.

    No, my friends, I see absolutely no benefit to voluntarily surrendering some of the most beautiful and bountiful land in the world, to groups of people who would squander and destroy it, only to continue to come after the whites who left to be with their own.


    "There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives."

    And only for other people, not for themselves.

    To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines. Instead, I think it will broadly follow the Woodward/Fischer American Nations, with cosmopolitan urban/metro areas characterized by racial diversity, large economic disparities, and pockets of enormous affluence on the ‘blue’ side of things while geographically expansive networks of rural/small town confederations characterized by primarily racially homogeneity (white), economic equality, and less affluence on the ‘red’ side of things.

    • Replies: @iffen
    To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility

    Agree.

    Even so, one could look at the limited sovereignty of the Native American groups as a possible model.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines."

    I'm highly skeptical that it will happen at all. My comment was a criticism of theories already submitted.

    If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control.

    You guys can continue to pretend this or that will result in a better result, but everything. is. downstream. from. demographics.

    Everything.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it. We're fucked.
  129. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yeah, they will just nuke whatever white territory there is. Is there any evidence that suggests otherwise? Whites are the incarnation of evil to them. Unless the white country gets its hands on nukes (again Turner Diaries), it is doomed from the start.

    You would have to have to take over Washington and/or Oregon to get to the sea.

    The best situation is in fact Eastern Canada. Quebec, Eastern Ontario and Atlantic Canada area heavily white. Quite honestly they're sick of everything. But both Quebeckers and the Celtic maritimes hate Anglos ("whites") more than anything else. They'll save themselves.

    No one is going to nuke Hungary and no one is going to nuke Montana, either.

  130. @EastKekistani
    What? How can a white successor state give up its nukes? From a Machiavellian point of view giving up nukes is always a grave mistake. Ukraine is a good example. If you want a black separatist state please don't let them have WMD (In fact you shouldn't even let them keep guns) at all both for your sake and for everyone else's sake..

    If you want peace you need WMDs.

    Any partition would almost certainly involve every newly formed state getting some number of nukes.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Then it doesn't work because nobody knows what blacks are going to do with their nukes. Nukes exist for deterrence only when all nuclear sides don't simply use them casually. What's going to happen if a bunch of nukes just explode in black America? They will claim that white scientists are hijacking some weapon system and set them off when in fact nobody knows what happened..This can lead to a global nuclear race war.
  131. @iffen
    After Charlottesville, the organizational piece has been really destroyed.

    Terry McAuliffe played Charlottesville like a cheap fiddle. If we still had rule of law he would be indicted for accessory to manslaughter.

    You are up against people like him and images of toddlers face and toe down in the sand.

    You are not up to the task.

    IRL demonstrations are a bad idea. For those determined to do them anyway, the only possible approach to make the demonstration/gathering a success is be prepared to take one for the team. That means documenting abuse while receiving it stoically. Street fighting is an optical disaster.

    • Agree: iffen, Talha
    • Replies: @iffen
    That means documenting abuse while receiving it stoically.

    Another task that would be an uphill fight. The "other" side has dibs on non-violent protest. "We" need to fight downhill.
    , @Talha
    For the record, demonstrations can be done well and effectively, but they need to be coordinated. We used to do them in UCLA against Zionists and I pulled security-detail a couple of times which meant more than anything; keeping your own side under control and letting the other side go ape. We rehearsed ahead of time what to do in various situations, if you were in security, you couldn’t be a hothead; you had to be willing to literally take a punch (from both sides). Results were beautiful; bunch of pissed off Zionists and only great photos on our side in the school newspaper.

    Optics are important; that’s the whole point of a demonstration! It’s for show.

    People claiming to be leaders that are not willing to go through the trouble to coordinate and pre-plan at this level are a liability whether or not their unprofessionalism and ineptitude is intentional or not.

    Peace.
  132. @Mr. Rational

    If simulations are possible, we are almost certainly in one, because if they are possible then there should effectively be an infinite number of simulations.
     
    Au contraire.  If simulations are possible, they are going to be much smaller and slower than the universe in which they are run.  We people on Earth might be able to run a simulation of a small fraction of a tiny planet, limited by data and energy.  You can consider this like a geometric series where each succeding term is small compared to what comes before; if you can simulate even as much as 0.001 of a universe using the resources of a universe, the number of simulated people is going to be tiny compared to the number of real ones.

    Maybe we're in a simulation, but that is not the way to bet.

    If what I’m experiencing is a simulation, everyone I’m communicating with here is an NPC. The universe I’m existing in is thus much, much smaller than I assume it to be. When I sleep is when the processes catch up. If I don’t get enough sleep, the simulation gets goofy.

  133. @Audacious Epigone
    IRL demonstrations are a bad idea. For those determined to do them anyway, the only possible approach to make the demonstration/gathering a success is be prepared to take one for the team. That means documenting abuse while receiving it stoically. Street fighting is an optical disaster.

    That means documenting abuse while receiving it stoically.

    Another task that would be an uphill fight. The “other” side has dibs on non-violent protest. “We” need to fight downhill.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Primarily because it doesn't get wide media coverage, but the images of Trump supporters being attacked in 2016 was good for the right.
  134. @Audacious Epigone
    The latter. It is clear what our rulers are trying to do--normalize the dehumanization of all people deemed "white nationalists", "white supremacists", "white separatists", etc on nothing more than the accusation of their being as much. All the major cultural pillars are content to go along with this to get along with it--big religion, big business, academia, etc.

    The one place we legitimately may yet find recourse is in the courts, especially when the targets are not public figures. If Sandmann gets a settlement--or even better, a judgment--that will put our persecutors on serious notice. And if he does, it should be pedal to the metal for others like him who have been defamed.

    It is clear what our rulers are trying to do–normalize the dehumanization of all people deemed “white nationalists”, “white supremacists”, “white separatists”, etc on nothing more than the accusation of their being as much. All the major cultural pillars are content to go along with this to get along with it–big religion, big business, academia, etc.

    I think that it’s called executing critical race theory.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  135. @Audacious Epigone
    To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines. Instead, I think it will broadly follow the Woodward/Fischer American Nations, with cosmopolitan urban/metro areas characterized by racial diversity, large economic disparities, and pockets of enormous affluence on the 'blue' side of things while geographically expansive networks of rural/small town confederations characterized by primarily racially homogeneity (white), economic equality, and less affluence on the 'red' side of things.

    To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility

    Agree.

    Even so, one could look at the limited sovereignty of the Native American groups as a possible model.

  136. @216
    For the length of the XXI century, the far-right has been more violent and anti-social than the far-left. In much of Europe from 1945 into the late 1990s, there were various far-left terror groups strongly or loosely aligned with the USSR. IRA, ETA, RAF. There were also smaller organizations like the Weathermen that existed in the US.

    In the present time, far-left terrorism is practically non-existent except for one lone Boomer who targeted GOP Congressmen. Radical greens and animal rights terror seems to have dropped off the radar, and their main target was property. Even the two BLM attacks on cops pale in comparison to the widespread rioting of the 1960s.

    Fringe politics attracts unstable individuals, and the far-right has created an echo chamber where social status is derived from higher amounts of edgeposting. We can also account for the sausage fest nature of the far-right (somewhat common to all extremist politics). Some toxic assets cannot be economically rehabilitated.

    You cannot out-logic the Megaphone. At best you catch it lying and some more people drift away.

    Rather than autistically screech about Hitler, focus on community building. Try to avoid all interaction with journalists, instead of promoting those who bask in media coverage.

    Fringe politics

    Wearing a MAGA cap is not fringe politics, yet the MSM and SJWs implicitly and explicitly condone violence or the threat of violence against a wearer.

    If you want a historical parallel look at the actions and inactions of the police forces in some Southern cities and states during the Civil Rights demonstrations in the ‘60s. For example, white vigilantes and KKK types would be given free reign for a few minutes before the police showed up to “restore order.”

    How does that differ from Charlottesville where the police power (Terry McAuliffe) pushed the alt-righters out of the park and into an attack by the antifa and their supporters?

    • Replies: @res
    It is fascinating how much the endgame of the civil rights movement appears to be a reversal of the roles rather than elimination of oppression.
    , @216
    It is a good thing I do not tire of repeating the same explanation:

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city. The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia, and Jason Kessler* was pushed aside in terms of event planning.

    *Kessler is an unstable person who has drifted around fringe politics

    The goal of Charlottesville was to replicate the success that Milo Yiannopolous at Berkeley, where the violence led to public threats from Trump/GOP Congress to cut federal funds for universities that don't maintain free speech. There was talk of a R. Spencer college tour, where state power would be presumably wielded to suppress protests.

    A lot of alt-lite figures were proposed to be in attendance, like Thernovith and Bumble Jack. That's what was in the name "Unite the Right". They didn't show.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city's reputation damaged.
  137. @Audacious Epigone
    Any partition would almost certainly involve every newly formed state getting some number of nukes.

    Then it doesn’t work because nobody knows what blacks are going to do with their nukes. Nukes exist for deterrence only when all nuclear sides don’t simply use them casually. What’s going to happen if a bunch of nukes just explode in black America? They will claim that white scientists are hijacking some weapon system and set them off when in fact nobody knows what happened..This can lead to a global nuclear race war.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The consequent states won't be ethnostates. They breakup is far more likely to be along current political lines.
  138. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:

    Partition will likely be accompanied by some kind of denuclearization effort as many states couldn’t afford to maintain large stockpiles on their own. It won’t lead to any kind of chaos with loose nukes, but, more likely, the process would ultimately make the world a safer place. If you don’t support partition for domestic political reasons, then you should support it for world peace. Even if you are not an American, there are good reasons to support the effort.

  139. @Audacious Epigone
    That strikes me as a perfectly sensible position on the left's own terms. If reparations are owed and white privilege is something every white person is saturated in by merely being white, why wouldn't the argument be to give non-white groups their own places away from white depredation? To the response that systematic racism has set them back X years/X amount should come a process for understanding how much is owed and giving it to them.

    The underlying, and never to be acknowledged, truth is that blacks demand and assume the right to have access to whites and the creations of whites on their own terms.

    As the first black mayor of Atlanta said, when told that whites would flee the city in response to his policies, “we will follow you”.

    (Some kind chap on Unz once provided me with a good cite for this quote but it is, alas, gone)

    • Replies: @res
    I would be interested in a cite as well. Paul Kersey calls that "probably apocryphal": https://www.unz.com/article/kemp-victory-only-delays-the-reckoning/

    Georgians have a probably apocryphal story about Andrew Young, the black former mayor of Atlanta and ambassador to the United Nations. In an address at historically black Clark Atlanta University, Mr. Young talked about white flight. “No matter where they go,” he said, “we will follow. No matter how far away they move, we will follow. They can’t escape us.”
     
    This post expands on that and dates the story to the 1980s: http://kaye-hesslife.blogspot.com/2012/09/success-used-to-live-here-what-fall-of.html
  140. @Simply Simon
    St Paul stated the matter of God rather eloquently I think. "If you understand it it is not God.,if you do not understand it it is God." Any human being attempting to explain God is on a fruitless venture, but we seem to have thousands of would be preachers who try to do so. Try to lead a blameless life and you will not be judged harshly is about all the religion one needs.

    Absolutely agree, how we live our lives will decide what happens to us in the afterlife. Jesus also told Peter, rebuking him harshly, that his way of reasoning was human, not God like, when, after Jesus had told his disciples he would suffer greatly and be killed, Peter began to reassure Jesus nothing of such sort would be allowed to happen.

    Going back to Anon’s comment- https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3151760

    If the universe is simulated, your argument might very will imply that it’s really only simulated for the study or benefit of a select few among the cognitive elite

    Whatever inventions and improvement this elite make, the rising tide lifts all the boats, everybody benefits. This elite are free to do their jobs since they benefit from the fact that somebody else takes care of different things, it’s a symbiotic relationship. The idea is that everybody operates at his peak cognitive performance, so an excavator operator can be as passionate and happy to work as a scientist, he has as much fulfillment, and does not hate his job. Chemical elements have different atomic numbers for a reason too, everything has its place, variation is a necessary feature of the world which enables it to function, there would be no life as we know it without this property.

    The Manhattan Project people, ‘the cognitive elite’, were significantly smarter than the politicians they were working for, but they look like running dogs here. It’s hard to say who benefits, or who is fooling whom. Obama is no doubt entertained, and laughs every day, at the thought of whites suckers voting for him. He thinks he got something, yet his voters also won some “freebies”, as they perceive it. All sides see themselves as winners.

    Why would any creator make a universe filled with creatures significantly more primitive than itself? Entertainment? Are you entertained by ants fighting? Intellectual conversations?

    God wants and expects us to live in peace. What entertains him if anything, we will never know. We have not created ants, we are made of the same matter as ants. We can reshape matter already found in our environment, it’s not the same as God’s creating the universe. The relationship is inconceivably different.

    If you’re curious you can find everything fascinating or entertaining, the little ‘robots’ insects are, look exciting to many people, the way bees communicate the location of nectar bearing flowers to the rest is amazing. A lot of ideas can be taken from the natural world, and used for our benefit. I am even fascinated by the very idea of an infinitesimally small point.

    I would be careful with inserting the idea of entertainment into the argument, it’s a highly subjective matter. A passionate excavator operator can start a company of his own, get rich, and afford all the entertainment he wants. Different people have different ideas about entertainment, watching football, listening to music, video games, mountain climbing and other physical activity, beating the market, playing chess or violin, passionately doing research and cracking a scientific problem… Warren Buffett leads an unassuming, simple lifestyle for his financial status, there are millionaires more extravagant than he is.

    a deceptively complicated-looking snowflake is the product of a set of simple mathematical principles, so is reality I would suspect.

    There is a lot going on here, it’s a long way to get from water molecules, to the snowflake. Mathematics is used to understand and describe reality, to make the laws of physics accessible to our minds, it doesn’t answer why things are the way they are. Mathematical principles can seem counterintuitive, like the Banach-Tarski Paradox. At least to me, reality is not a set of simple mathematical principles, complexity is the foundation of the universe, everywhere I look, the explanations required to describe the world are difficult, not simple. Big questions take more than simple answers.

  141. @Audacious Epigone
    IRL demonstrations are a bad idea. For those determined to do them anyway, the only possible approach to make the demonstration/gathering a success is be prepared to take one for the team. That means documenting abuse while receiving it stoically. Street fighting is an optical disaster.

    For the record, demonstrations can be done well and effectively, but they need to be coordinated. We used to do them in UCLA against Zionists and I pulled security-detail a couple of times which meant more than anything; keeping your own side under control and letting the other side go ape. We rehearsed ahead of time what to do in various situations, if you were in security, you couldn’t be a hothead; you had to be willing to literally take a punch (from both sides). Results were beautiful; bunch of pissed off Zionists and only great photos on our side in the school newspaper.

    Optics are important; that’s the whole point of a demonstration! It’s for show.

    People claiming to be leaders that are not willing to go through the trouble to coordinate and pre-plan at this level are a liability whether or not their unprofessionalism and ineptitude is intentional or not.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen

    Optics are important; that’s the whole point of a demonstration! It’s for show.
     
    Worthy of a repost.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Even when the plans are carefully laid, anyone on the right is still walking into viper's nest. Better to plan well and be disciplined than to not, but better still to not at all.
  142. @Audacious Epigone
    To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines. Instead, I think it will broadly follow the Woodward/Fischer American Nations, with cosmopolitan urban/metro areas characterized by racial diversity, large economic disparities, and pockets of enormous affluence on the 'blue' side of things while geographically expansive networks of rural/small town confederations characterized by primarily racially homogeneity (white), economic equality, and less affluence on the 'red' side of things.

    “To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines.”

    I’m highly skeptical that it will happen at all. My comment was a criticism of theories already submitted.

    If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control.

    You guys can continue to pretend this or that will result in a better result, but everything. is. downstream. from. demographics.

    Everything.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it. We’re fucked.

    • Replies: @iffen
    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it.We’re fucked.

    Apparently not often enough.

    , @216
    Belarus or Bust
    , @polaco

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change.
     
    Having a family should be everyone's number one priority. If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures. The immigration issue would be a no starter. That's not to say immigration is an absolute necessity with a decreasing population, the 30 Year's War reduced the population of the various German states by 40% or more, they pulled through. I suspect a lot of Americans would rather have more strawberries, and other produce, than more immigrants to harvest them at home, imported from Mexico. Even when dealing with a substantial population of old people, caretakers could be allowed in on the basis of a very strict guest-worker policy, like allowing only people in their 40s, 50s and 60s in, for a limited number of years per person.

    Our own, conservative politician- one JKM, has been talking about it for almost 30 years now, mainly as it relates to the national pension scheme, which like everywhere else, relies on a perpetually increasing population. While at the same time, government budgets keep going up to cover the accumulating expenses, even when the population stagnates. Here's a clip of him on the Piers Morgan show:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NEqlfWSOrQ
    And here's an entertaining, yet somber take on immigration by somebody else:
    https://youtu.be/4y2B9bHijQI?t=205
    , @Audacious Epigone
    We’re fucked.

    I've long been regarded as a sort of sunny optimist.

    My general outlook has been shattered over the last few months. Violence against anyone deemed a white nationalist/supremacist is now essentially being openly supported in congress and the media. The idea of free speech is now openly scoffed at. And there is no opposition to any of it. Trump has energized the persecutors without doing anything to counter them. We are not far from proscription lists, virtual at first, literal not long after.
  143. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines."

    I'm highly skeptical that it will happen at all. My comment was a criticism of theories already submitted.

    If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control.

    You guys can continue to pretend this or that will result in a better result, but everything. is. downstream. from. demographics.

    Everything.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it. We're fucked.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it.We’re fucked.

    Apparently not often enough.

    • LOL: Talha
  144. @Talha
    For the record, demonstrations can be done well and effectively, but they need to be coordinated. We used to do them in UCLA against Zionists and I pulled security-detail a couple of times which meant more than anything; keeping your own side under control and letting the other side go ape. We rehearsed ahead of time what to do in various situations, if you were in security, you couldn’t be a hothead; you had to be willing to literally take a punch (from both sides). Results were beautiful; bunch of pissed off Zionists and only great photos on our side in the school newspaper.

    Optics are important; that’s the whole point of a demonstration! It’s for show.

    People claiming to be leaders that are not willing to go through the trouble to coordinate and pre-plan at this level are a liability whether or not their unprofessionalism and ineptitude is intentional or not.

    Peace.

    Optics are important; that’s the whole point of a demonstration! It’s for show.

    Worthy of a repost.

    • Replies: @Talha
    And I’m not kidding, we had to screen the brothers. There were guys that had 40 pounds more muscle than the rest of us, but we couldn’t use them because they admitted truthfully that they couldn’t hold themselves back from throwing a punch. I’m glad they did, we had to dismiss them.

    These old Zionist crones would literally get up in our faces and insult the Prophet (pbuh) right there, but you couldn’t break discipline. One of the big name papers once ran a photo after I had left of one of our demonstrations in downtown LA. Beautiful shot; my younger brother is there with his arms folded and a slight smirk on his face and some young tough-looking Zionist guy is pointing right in his face and screaming at him.

    Optics.

    Peace.
  145. @iffen

    Optics are important; that’s the whole point of a demonstration! It’s for show.
     
    Worthy of a repost.

    And I’m not kidding, we had to screen the brothers. There were guys that had 40 pounds more muscle than the rest of us, but we couldn’t use them because they admitted truthfully that they couldn’t hold themselves back from throwing a punch. I’m glad they did, we had to dismiss them.

    These old Zionist crones would literally get up in our faces and insult the Prophet (pbuh) right there, but you couldn’t break discipline. One of the big name papers once ran a photo after I had left of one of our demonstrations in downtown LA. Beautiful shot; my younger brother is there with his arms folded and a slight smirk on his face and some young tough-looking Zionist guy is pointing right in his face and screaming at him.

    Optics.

    Peace.

  146. @iffen
    Fringe politics

    Wearing a MAGA cap is not fringe politics, yet the MSM and SJWs implicitly and explicitly condone violence or the threat of violence against a wearer.

    If you want a historical parallel look at the actions and inactions of the police forces in some Southern cities and states during the Civil Rights demonstrations in the ‘60s. For example, white vigilantes and KKK types would be given free reign for a few minutes before the police showed up to “restore order.”

    How does that differ from Charlottesville where the police power (Terry McAuliffe) pushed the alt-righters out of the park and into an attack by the antifa and their supporters?

    It is fascinating how much the endgame of the civil rights movement appears to be a reversal of the roles rather than elimination of oppression.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    It is fascinating how much the endgame of the civil rights movement appears to be a reversal of the roles rather than elimination of oppression.
     
    "Elimination of oppression" which is a part of true Libertarianism is as idealistic as Communism hence it can not work. Communists can not remove selfism from human nature. Similarly Libertarians can not remove power and coercion from human nature.

    If it is possible to have a world that is not based on coercion then male power should have been restricted to places such as Europe and NE Asia where men actually did most of the work. Instead in places such as Sub-Saharan Africa and SE Asia where men were economically fairly nonproductive men still ruled over women. Why? Because men were and are much better at causing harm even though in these societies women were and sometimes still are better at contributing to these societies.

  147. @Bill Jones
    The underlying, and never to be acknowledged, truth is that blacks demand and assume the right to have access to whites and the creations of whites on their own terms.

    As the first black mayor of Atlanta said, when told that whites would flee the city in response to his policies, "we will follow you".


    (Some kind chap on Unz once provided me with a good cite for this quote but it is, alas, gone)

    I would be interested in a cite as well. Paul Kersey calls that “probably apocryphal”: https://www.unz.com/article/kemp-victory-only-delays-the-reckoning/

    Georgians have a probably apocryphal story about Andrew Young, the black former mayor of Atlanta and ambassador to the United Nations. In an address at historically black Clark Atlanta University, Mr. Young talked about white flight. “No matter where they go,” he said, “we will follow. No matter how far away they move, we will follow. They can’t escape us.”

    This post expands on that and dates the story to the 1980s: http://kaye-hesslife.blogspot.com/2012/09/success-used-to-live-here-what-fall-of.html

  148. @res
    It is fascinating how much the endgame of the civil rights movement appears to be a reversal of the roles rather than elimination of oppression.

    It is fascinating how much the endgame of the civil rights movement appears to be a reversal of the roles rather than elimination of oppression.

    “Elimination of oppression” which is a part of true Libertarianism is as idealistic as Communism hence it can not work. Communists can not remove selfism from human nature. Similarly Libertarians can not remove power and coercion from human nature.

    If it is possible to have a world that is not based on coercion then male power should have been restricted to places such as Europe and NE Asia where men actually did most of the work. Instead in places such as Sub-Saharan Africa and SE Asia where men were economically fairly nonproductive men still ruled over women. Why? Because men were and are much better at causing harm even though in these societies women were and sometimes still are better at contributing to these societies.

  149. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    “If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control.”

    Secession would fix that as it would empower red state conservatives to enact polices which are now blocked by others elsewhere (immigration control, cultural degradation, etc.*); over time, it would be possible to then fix those demographic issues with a working majority of voters. Within the current system, there is no chance of that ever happening. If Arkansas, for example, seceded, it would be free to enact policy without constraint from the radical left because the radical left has no power in Arkansas. The same applies to lots of red states. Secession is your first step to fixing intractable problems because it deplatforms the entirety of the left all at once, allowing for a clean break and a do over – their control over schools, the government, the media…the whole thing, all gone. We can start over and put ourselves in charge for once.

    This is a lesson that the Yang Gang is going to learn this primary season. They will be stunned and demoralized when both he and Tulsi Gabbard go down to defeat in the primaries due to racial block voting. Usually, after such electoral failures, there is an introspective, soul-searching moment when the loser asks if there is a problem with either his policy or his messaging. In 2021, I predict that some of these Yang Gang types won’t do that this time. They will correctly conclude that their policies are fine, it’s just that they need some territory where they are empowered to enact them. That would be Red State secession. Why change correct policy when you can just change the political system itself so that you can then implement your policies without constraint? Isn’t that what the pilgrims did?

    And why is red state (or Southern) secession such an attractive prospect when similar Libertarian plans failed in the past (move to a state and vote in Libertarian polices)? Because many of those areas already have majority voting populations that might be receptive to the independence message. Therefore, there is no need to move populations around or do much heavy, unlikely and impractical, lifting. Just run for office, co-opt local republicans, use the government to enact policy (forwarding controversial bills is like marching but better), and exploit grievances while advancing the achievable goal of independence. With increasing tensions and anti-white hate, this will become ever easier. Make yourself a defender of a battered, abused people and advance secession as a defensive maneuver meant to protect said people and provide them with a safe space and suddenly you’ve got yourself a nation. That’s what Israel did.

    *Red states could pass an illegal alien amnesty that avoids prosecution for migrants as long as they leave for California or they could pass reparations legislation for blacks that gives them money in exchange for them to moving to blue states and upscale areas like Malibu and the Hamptons while allowing in conservative European-Americans from the former continental United States. Demographic problem solved. Easy.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    And why is red state (or Southern) secession such an attractive prospect when similar Libertarian plans failed in the past (move to a state and vote in Libertarian polices)? Because many of those areas already have majority voting populations that might be receptive to the independence message.
     
    Libertarian ideas do not work out simply because the universe is filled with coercion and harm. Trying to get people not to coerce each other will never work simply because this is just against not only human nature but also the nature of all animals.
    , @peterAUS
    Good comment.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Right now the snarky threats about shipping illegal aliens to sanctuary cities is meaningless. It won't happen and even if it did, they'd just immediately abscond to wherever their home communities in the US currently live.

    With separate countries, though, the equation changes.
  150. @anon
    "If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control."

    Secession would fix that as it would empower red state conservatives to enact polices which are now blocked by others elsewhere (immigration control, cultural degradation, etc.*); over time, it would be possible to then fix those demographic issues with a working majority of voters. Within the current system, there is no chance of that ever happening. If Arkansas, for example, seceded, it would be free to enact policy without constraint from the radical left because the radical left has no power in Arkansas. The same applies to lots of red states. Secession is your first step to fixing intractable problems because it deplatforms the entirety of the left all at once, allowing for a clean break and a do over - their control over schools, the government, the media...the whole thing, all gone. We can start over and put ourselves in charge for once.

    This is a lesson that the Yang Gang is going to learn this primary season. They will be stunned and demoralized when both he and Tulsi Gabbard go down to defeat in the primaries due to racial block voting. Usually, after such electoral failures, there is an introspective, soul-searching moment when the loser asks if there is a problem with either his policy or his messaging. In 2021, I predict that some of these Yang Gang types won't do that this time. They will correctly conclude that their policies are fine, it's just that they need some territory where they are empowered to enact them. That would be Red State secession. Why change correct policy when you can just change the political system itself so that you can then implement your policies without constraint? Isn't that what the pilgrims did?

    And why is red state (or Southern) secession such an attractive prospect when similar Libertarian plans failed in the past (move to a state and vote in Libertarian polices)? Because many of those areas already have majority voting populations that might be receptive to the independence message. Therefore, there is no need to move populations around or do much heavy, unlikely and impractical, lifting. Just run for office, co-opt local republicans, use the government to enact policy (forwarding controversial bills is like marching but better), and exploit grievances while advancing the achievable goal of independence. With increasing tensions and anti-white hate, this will become ever easier. Make yourself a defender of a battered, abused people and advance secession as a defensive maneuver meant to protect said people and provide them with a safe space and suddenly you've got yourself a nation. That's what Israel did.

    *Red states could pass an illegal alien amnesty that avoids prosecution for migrants as long as they leave for California or they could pass reparations legislation for blacks that gives them money in exchange for them to moving to blue states and upscale areas like Malibu and the Hamptons while allowing in conservative European-Americans from the former continental United States. Demographic problem solved. Easy.

    And why is red state (or Southern) secession such an attractive prospect when similar Libertarian plans failed in the past (move to a state and vote in Libertarian polices)? Because many of those areas already have majority voting populations that might be receptive to the independence message.

    Libertarian ideas do not work out simply because the universe is filled with coercion and harm. Trying to get people not to coerce each other will never work simply because this is just against not only human nature but also the nature of all animals.

  151. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    “Libertarian ideas do not work out…”

    True. The American right embracing such principles partly explains its defeat. Just as communism failed because it was not in accordance with human nature, so does extreme libertarianism. Humans are naturally tribal, self-interested, Machiavellian hypocritical liars happy to engage their base instincts the moment they think they can get away with it. Thus, absolute free markets will always fail as one group engages in practices that benefit them personally while harming everyone else.

  152. @Audacious Epigone
    There are leading Democrat pols openly celebrating identity politics, Stacey Abrams being the most salient example at the moment, so "white identity politics" may be the best tact to take. As you correctly point out, "white nationalism" is a 'toxic' phrase in large part due to the fact that "black nationalism" is similarly toxic. But "identity politics" is not, so it's a tougher rhetorical sell to argue that identity politics for whites is inherently evil. I suppose the response will be that non-white identity politics never led to anything bad (imperial Japan?!) while white identity politics = Hitler.

    The argument normally is either:

    A. The GOP already practices the worst kind of identity politics, by claiming that only rural White Evangelical Protestants are real Americans. Non-white identity politics is “self-defense”.

    B. White Christians are privileged and impossible be discriminated against due to race or religion. Their failings are their own fault, where they couldn’t succeed in a game rigged for them. Their real enemy is capitalists.

    C. Whites are fully deracinated, and fail to recognize that non-white identity politics is just an outburst from people who by socio-economic circumstance cannot fully deracinate into a middle-class suburban existance.

    The real turnover is the left’s newfound embrace of moralistic arguments, which has succeeded fairly well with “white college” voters. Of course, they haven’t yet been forced to actually tithe in the collection plate. The idea that normie whites need to be humbled in the wake of inequality and environmental damage, is not too far from what Dissidents believe. A major challenge for the left is that “white guilt is itself a form of white identity politics”. This could backfire on them.

  153. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines."

    I'm highly skeptical that it will happen at all. My comment was a criticism of theories already submitted.

    If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control.

    You guys can continue to pretend this or that will result in a better result, but everything. is. downstream. from. demographics.

    Everything.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it. We're fucked.

    Belarus or Bust

  154. @iffen
    Fringe politics

    Wearing a MAGA cap is not fringe politics, yet the MSM and SJWs implicitly and explicitly condone violence or the threat of violence against a wearer.

    If you want a historical parallel look at the actions and inactions of the police forces in some Southern cities and states during the Civil Rights demonstrations in the ‘60s. For example, white vigilantes and KKK types would be given free reign for a few minutes before the police showed up to “restore order.”

    How does that differ from Charlottesville where the police power (Terry McAuliffe) pushed the alt-righters out of the park and into an attack by the antifa and their supporters?

    It is a good thing I do not tire of repeating the same explanation:

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city. The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia, and Jason Kessler* was pushed aside in terms of event planning.

    *Kessler is an unstable person who has drifted around fringe politics

    The goal of Charlottesville was to replicate the success that Milo Yiannopolous at Berkeley, where the violence led to public threats from Trump/GOP Congress to cut federal funds for universities that don’t maintain free speech. There was talk of a R. Spencer college tour, where state power would be presumably wielded to suppress protests.

    A lot of alt-lite figures were proposed to be in attendance, like Thernovith and Bumble Jack. That’s what was in the name “Unite the Right”. They didn’t show.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city’s reputation damaged.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha
    Great analysis! One of the best I’ve read.

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    Demonstrators and agitators not from around here. That sounds so familiar. Now where do I remember that from?
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'm pretty surprised that the "alt right" has managed to even still exist after that debacle. In the days after Charlottesville, I thought everyone was going to cuck, and that we were going to return to pre-2016 politics.

    I think Trump may have saved the day with his (truthful) "good people on both sides" comment. Gave us just enough wind to keep going.

    I wish Charlottesville never happened. But it also hasn't been the death blow that McAuliffe and other had hoped for.
    , @KenH

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city.
     
    That isn't a revelation. CVille has been an ultra leftist college town for a long time now.

    The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia
     
    The same can be said for the most of the antifa, BLM and other counterprotestors/domestic terrorists.

    The Cville debacle had little to do with Kessler's stability or lack thereof and everything to do with a Jewish leftist mayor, a black panther vice mayor, city council and police force that conspired to deprive the UtR protestors of their civil rights because they didn't like their pro-white politics.

    Cville was run and probably still is run by a bunch of left wing Bull Connors. The black police chief told his underlings to "let them (the opposing sides) fight". The Heapy report vindicates the UtR organizers and attendees and places the blame squarely on the city's mishandling of the event.

    If you think the residents of Cville are owed an apology then it should come from their own corrupt officials and not the UtR event organizers and rally goers as they were following every law and rule that was laid down by the city. But the residents of Cville voted for this SJW and anti-white freakshow so they really aren't owed anything.

    , @Rosie

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city’s reputation damaged.
     
    Isn't that a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking? I'm not a strategist, so I don't have a strong opinion either way. It just seems like UTR didn't become self-evidently idiotic until after the fact.
  155. @anon
    "If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control."

    Secession would fix that as it would empower red state conservatives to enact polices which are now blocked by others elsewhere (immigration control, cultural degradation, etc.*); over time, it would be possible to then fix those demographic issues with a working majority of voters. Within the current system, there is no chance of that ever happening. If Arkansas, for example, seceded, it would be free to enact policy without constraint from the radical left because the radical left has no power in Arkansas. The same applies to lots of red states. Secession is your first step to fixing intractable problems because it deplatforms the entirety of the left all at once, allowing for a clean break and a do over - their control over schools, the government, the media...the whole thing, all gone. We can start over and put ourselves in charge for once.

    This is a lesson that the Yang Gang is going to learn this primary season. They will be stunned and demoralized when both he and Tulsi Gabbard go down to defeat in the primaries due to racial block voting. Usually, after such electoral failures, there is an introspective, soul-searching moment when the loser asks if there is a problem with either his policy or his messaging. In 2021, I predict that some of these Yang Gang types won't do that this time. They will correctly conclude that their policies are fine, it's just that they need some territory where they are empowered to enact them. That would be Red State secession. Why change correct policy when you can just change the political system itself so that you can then implement your policies without constraint? Isn't that what the pilgrims did?

    And why is red state (or Southern) secession such an attractive prospect when similar Libertarian plans failed in the past (move to a state and vote in Libertarian polices)? Because many of those areas already have majority voting populations that might be receptive to the independence message. Therefore, there is no need to move populations around or do much heavy, unlikely and impractical, lifting. Just run for office, co-opt local republicans, use the government to enact policy (forwarding controversial bills is like marching but better), and exploit grievances while advancing the achievable goal of independence. With increasing tensions and anti-white hate, this will become ever easier. Make yourself a defender of a battered, abused people and advance secession as a defensive maneuver meant to protect said people and provide them with a safe space and suddenly you've got yourself a nation. That's what Israel did.

    *Red states could pass an illegal alien amnesty that avoids prosecution for migrants as long as they leave for California or they could pass reparations legislation for blacks that gives them money in exchange for them to moving to blue states and upscale areas like Malibu and the Hamptons while allowing in conservative European-Americans from the former continental United States. Demographic problem solved. Easy.

    Good comment.

  156. @216
    It is a good thing I do not tire of repeating the same explanation:

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city. The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia, and Jason Kessler* was pushed aside in terms of event planning.

    *Kessler is an unstable person who has drifted around fringe politics

    The goal of Charlottesville was to replicate the success that Milo Yiannopolous at Berkeley, where the violence led to public threats from Trump/GOP Congress to cut federal funds for universities that don't maintain free speech. There was talk of a R. Spencer college tour, where state power would be presumably wielded to suppress protests.

    A lot of alt-lite figures were proposed to be in attendance, like Thernovith and Bumble Jack. That's what was in the name "Unite the Right". They didn't show.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city's reputation damaged.

    Great analysis! One of the best I’ve read.

    Peace.

  157. @216
    It is a good thing I do not tire of repeating the same explanation:

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city. The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia, and Jason Kessler* was pushed aside in terms of event planning.

    *Kessler is an unstable person who has drifted around fringe politics

    The goal of Charlottesville was to replicate the success that Milo Yiannopolous at Berkeley, where the violence led to public threats from Trump/GOP Congress to cut federal funds for universities that don't maintain free speech. There was talk of a R. Spencer college tour, where state power would be presumably wielded to suppress protests.

    A lot of alt-lite figures were proposed to be in attendance, like Thernovith and Bumble Jack. That's what was in the name "Unite the Right". They didn't show.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city's reputation damaged.

    Demonstrators and agitators not from around here. That sounds so familiar. Now where do I remember that from?

  158. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Voluntary segregation. I believe most people find this natural and desirable."

    If this is a reference to breaking up the US, then I have a problem with it. First who gets where? for sake of argument, I'll go by the suggested borders I've seen. Whites basically get the Montana Territory and the Dakotas? Strategically terrible. Totally landlocked. Likely surrounded by enemies. No access to ports. Must pay our enemies tariffs to import/export. Plenty of fossil fuels but limited farmland.

    Next - we have already established that blacks are incapable of maintaining much of anything, let alone a country. So valuable land (southeast I suppose) is going to be handed to a group of people that cannot manage it, so the white country will share a border with best case, a North Korea, and worst case, a Liberia. What, exactly, leads anyone to believe that people from a country like that will not be attempting to sneak into the white country and or just invade in an effort to obtain basic necessities to survive?

    The west coast will, for all intents and purposes, become North Mexico, and what stops the hordes of their mestizo underclass from illegally entering the white country, if not threat of violence?

    The East will be the progressive utopia, right up until it isn't, but in the meantime, is this country that will be made up of raging SJW leftist lunatics and the bulk of the coalition of the fringes, somehow NOT going to be a hostile enemy to the white country?

    Someone help me out here, because all this talk of peaceful partition or whatever seems more like all the whites jumping into a barrel so they may be easier to shoot at.

    No, my friends, I see absolutely no benefit to voluntarily surrendering some of the most beautiful and bountiful land in the world, to groups of people who would squander and destroy it, only to continue to come after the whites who left to be with their own.


    "There really is only one group of people who believe in enforced diversity: white (Maoist) progressives."

    And only for other people, not for themselves.

    You present a set of thorny issues and good questions. I can only respond by saying that voluntary segregation is a possible remedy to the disintegrating United States. I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state — elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology — or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable). We need solutions. And looking towards the same people, groups, and institutions for answers will only hasten the disintegration.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state — elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology — or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable).
     
    Most likely scenario. As, say, 70/30% probability.

    As for:

    We need solutions.
     
    Oh yes we do.

    "We" also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.

    Figuring out why is that could be the next good step in the right direction.
    , @EastKekistani

    I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state — elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology — or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable).
     
    Yes, Anglos are heading towards Oriental Despotism. Why? Because you guys are increasingly cucked. My suggestion is that people should hit the gym and learn how to shoot. America is still relatively fine. Continental Europe, especially West Europe is in a much worse situation. For example France and its own Leviathan really just looks like China and its Leviathan with the sole exception that France still has elections and thankfully guns for now. Why? Because the centralization, the large bureaucracy and the assimilationist as opposed to segregationist tendencies I'm familiar with in China are present in France.

    Right now Middle Eastern Muslims are increasingly like the freest people on this planet. Why? It's not because they are Muslim. Instead it is because they actually have and love their arms. Where every boy receives a dagger (or a gun) when he becomes an adult the society can hardly be subjugated by Oriental Despotism.

  159. @SunBakedSuburb
    You present a set of thorny issues and good questions. I can only respond by saying that voluntary segregation is a possible remedy to the disintegrating United States. I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state -- elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology -- or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable). We need solutions. And looking towards the same people, groups, and institutions for answers will only hasten the disintegration.

    I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state — elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology — or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable).

    Most likely scenario. As, say, 70/30% probability.

    As for:

    We need solutions.

    Oh yes we do.

    “We” also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.

    Figuring out why is that could be the next good step in the right direction.

    • Replies: @216

    Oh yes we do.
    “We” also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.
     
    There is no "Alt-Right Beltway Think Tank", for starters.

    Nor any kind of Muslim Brotherhood like organization that provides business networking opportunity, and social services.

    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.
    , @iffen
    Figuring out why is that could be the next good step in the right direction.

    The "other" side is organized. We are a bunch of individuals. If Unz and AE let AE's commenters choose up sides, we would have a couple hundred sides with the largest group having 2-3 members.
  160. @peterAUS

    I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state — elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology — or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable).
     
    Most likely scenario. As, say, 70/30% probability.

    As for:

    We need solutions.
     
    Oh yes we do.

    "We" also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.

    Figuring out why is that could be the next good step in the right direction.

    Oh yes we do.
    “We” also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.

    There is no “Alt-Right Beltway Think Tank”, for starters.

    Nor any kind of Muslim Brotherhood like organization that provides business networking opportunity, and social services.

    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.

    • Replies: @iffen
    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.

    How would this help the working class?
    , @peterAUS

    There is no “Alt-Right Beltway Think Tank”, for starters.
     
    Precisely !

    It's sort of puzzling that, with all this "tech" at our disposal, "we" haven't been able to create such think tank. True, less of a puzzle with each passing month.

    That "we" can't have TEN smart guys, working together, for three months only, does tell us something about "us".
    A big something.
  161. @SunBakedSuburb
    You present a set of thorny issues and good questions. I can only respond by saying that voluntary segregation is a possible remedy to the disintegrating United States. I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state -- elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology -- or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable). We need solutions. And looking towards the same people, groups, and institutions for answers will only hasten the disintegration.

    I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state — elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology — or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable).

    Yes, Anglos are heading towards Oriental Despotism. Why? Because you guys are increasingly cucked. My suggestion is that people should hit the gym and learn how to shoot. America is still relatively fine. Continental Europe, especially West Europe is in a much worse situation. For example France and its own Leviathan really just looks like China and its Leviathan with the sole exception that France still has elections and thankfully guns for now. Why? Because the centralization, the large bureaucracy and the assimilationist as opposed to segregationist tendencies I’m familiar with in China are present in France.

    Right now Middle Eastern Muslims are increasingly like the freest people on this planet. Why? It’s not because they are Muslim. Instead it is because they actually have and love their arms. Where every boy receives a dagger (or a gun) when he becomes an adult the society can hardly be subjugated by Oriental Despotism.

  162. @216
    It is a good thing I do not tire of repeating the same explanation:

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city. The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia, and Jason Kessler* was pushed aside in terms of event planning.

    *Kessler is an unstable person who has drifted around fringe politics

    The goal of Charlottesville was to replicate the success that Milo Yiannopolous at Berkeley, where the violence led to public threats from Trump/GOP Congress to cut federal funds for universities that don't maintain free speech. There was talk of a R. Spencer college tour, where state power would be presumably wielded to suppress protests.

    A lot of alt-lite figures were proposed to be in attendance, like Thernovith and Bumble Jack. That's what was in the name "Unite the Right". They didn't show.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city's reputation damaged.

    I’m pretty surprised that the “alt right” has managed to even still exist after that debacle. In the days after Charlottesville, I thought everyone was going to cuck, and that we were going to return to pre-2016 politics.

    I think Trump may have saved the day with his (truthful) “good people on both sides” comment. Gave us just enough wind to keep going.

    I wish Charlottesville never happened. But it also hasn’t been the death blow that McAuliffe and other had hoped for.

    • Replies: @216
    The movement that existed before it has been eliminated, it no longer exists in any form. The left won a total victory. And they confirmed it at the ballot box by electing a Dem Governor in Virginia, defeating Roy Moore in Alabama, and forcing Steve Bannon to resign.

    The Joint Chiefs delivered a public coup threat to Trump.

    I cannot underemphasize the phrase: total defeat

    "Real National Socialism has never been tried"
    , @Audacious Epigone
    "Alt right" has become a term of derision. The vast majority of the time it is used now it is to label people as alt right who emphatically deny being alt right (Ben Shapiro, Paul Joseph Watson, etc).
  163. @216

    Oh yes we do.
    “We” also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.
     
    There is no "Alt-Right Beltway Think Tank", for starters.

    Nor any kind of Muslim Brotherhood like organization that provides business networking opportunity, and social services.

    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.

    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.

    How would this help the working class?

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Mainstream conservatism in academia would be just as bad as it is now. More open borders, more free trade, more cuts to the safety net.
    , @216
    -More respect to religion, increasing social cohesion
    -loss of the left's patina of being "the party of smart people"
    -a more realistic understanding that uneconomic fields of study should not be created
    -a counterweight to the boorishness that comprises the present-day Right
    -shaking up the groupthink that might be hobbling research
    -Right wing thought could no longer be demonized in the visage of The Authoritarian Personality
    -Pressure from within to change A/A from race to class-based
  164. @iffen
    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.

    How would this help the working class?

    Mainstream conservatism in academia would be just as bad as it is now. More open borders, more free trade, more cuts to the safety net.

  165. @peterAUS

    I believe we are heading towards a Chinese-style capitalist state — elite profits and totalitarian rule over the proles made more efficient through technology — or bloody civil strife (which would make the Chinese model more attainable).
     
    Most likely scenario. As, say, 70/30% probability.

    As for:

    We need solutions.
     
    Oh yes we do.

    "We" also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.

    Figuring out why is that could be the next good step in the right direction.

    Figuring out why is that could be the next good step in the right direction.

    The “other” side is organized. We are a bunch of individuals. If Unz and AE let AE’s commenters choose up sides, we would have a couple hundred sides with the largest group having 2-3 members.

  166. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines."

    I'm highly skeptical that it will happen at all. My comment was a criticism of theories already submitted.

    If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control.

    You guys can continue to pretend this or that will result in a better result, but everything. is. downstream. from. demographics.

    Everything.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it. We're fucked.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change.

    Having a family should be everyone’s number one priority. If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures. The immigration issue would be a no starter. That’s not to say immigration is an absolute necessity with a decreasing population, the 30 Year’s War reduced the population of the various German states by 40% or more, they pulled through. I suspect a lot of Americans would rather have more strawberries, and other produce, than more immigrants to harvest them at home, imported from Mexico. Even when dealing with a substantial population of old people, caretakers could be allowed in on the basis of a very strict guest-worker policy, like allowing only people in their 40s, 50s and 60s in, for a limited number of years per person.

    Our own, conservative politician- one JKM, has been talking about it for almost 30 years now, mainly as it relates to the national pension scheme, which like everywhere else, relies on a perpetually increasing population. While at the same time, government budgets keep going up to cover the accumulating expenses, even when the population stagnates. Here’s a clip of him on the Piers Morgan show:

    And here’s an entertaining, yet somber take on immigration by somebody else:

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Having a family should be everyone’s number one priority.
     
    The main problem here are incentives.

    According to Communists everyone's number one priority is to be selfless and contribute all one can to the communist revolution. According to Islamists everyone's number one priority is to serve Allah. Neither really happens in practice just because one dude (including the Pope or a king) declares that people should do that.

    If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures.
     
    Yeppo. This explains the transition from settler colonization aka emigration to immigration.
  167. @iffen
    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.

    How would this help the working class?

    -More respect to religion, increasing social cohesion
    -loss of the left’s patina of being “the party of smart people”
    -a more realistic understanding that uneconomic fields of study should not be created
    -a counterweight to the boorishness that comprises the present-day Right
    -shaking up the groupthink that might be hobbling research
    -Right wing thought could no longer be demonized in the visage of The Authoritarian Personality
    -Pressure from within to change A/A from race to class-based

  168. -Pressure from within to change A/A from race to class-based

    Conservatives are all about the lower classes? Who knew?

    • Replies: @216
    There is some evidence that college students from a working class background engage in less risky sexual behavior than students from wealthier backgrounds. Generally the typical anti-white minority also tends to come from a middle-class or higher background. (The leader of the Mizzou riot was the gay black son of wealthy railroad executive).

    https://splinternews.com/how-working-class-students-get-cockblocked-from-hookup-1793857125

    So class based A/A might result in a sobered campus environment. Not BYU, but more pro-social than it was in the days of Boomers.
  169. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'm pretty surprised that the "alt right" has managed to even still exist after that debacle. In the days after Charlottesville, I thought everyone was going to cuck, and that we were going to return to pre-2016 politics.

    I think Trump may have saved the day with his (truthful) "good people on both sides" comment. Gave us just enough wind to keep going.

    I wish Charlottesville never happened. But it also hasn't been the death blow that McAuliffe and other had hoped for.

    The movement that existed before it has been eliminated, it no longer exists in any form. The left won a total victory. And they confirmed it at the ballot box by electing a Dem Governor in Virginia, defeating Roy Moore in Alabama, and forcing Steve Bannon to resign.

    The Joint Chiefs delivered a public coup threat to Trump.

    I cannot underemphasize the phrase: total defeat

    “Real National Socialism has never been tried”

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    And they confirmed it at the ballot box by electing a Dem Governor in Virginia
     
    Virginia is a blue state now. There's no reason to think it would've gone red had Charlottesville not happened. And if it had, a cuck GOPe Gillespie would make sure no progress could be made.

    defeating Roy Moore in Alabama
     
    This has nothing to do with Charlottesville. Again, Moore was a loser candidate, who didn't manage his public image well against an onslaught of attacks.

    The Joint Chiefs delivered a public coup threat to Trump.
     
    Source?

    Seems to me that the dissident/alt-right/white nationalist movement is still growing, despite the Charlottesville disaster. It doesn't really seem any less structured now than it was before the event. Kessler and Spencer have always been losers.

  170. @iffen
    -Pressure from within to change A/A from race to class-based

    Conservatives are all about the lower classes? Who knew?

    There is some evidence that college students from a working class background engage in less risky sexual behavior than students from wealthier backgrounds. Generally the typical anti-white minority also tends to come from a middle-class or higher background. (The leader of the Mizzou riot was the gay black son of wealthy railroad executive).

    https://splinternews.com/how-working-class-students-get-cockblocked-from-hookup-1793857125

    So class based A/A might result in a sobered campus environment. Not BYU, but more pro-social than it was in the days of Boomers.

  171. @216
    The movement that existed before it has been eliminated, it no longer exists in any form. The left won a total victory. And they confirmed it at the ballot box by electing a Dem Governor in Virginia, defeating Roy Moore in Alabama, and forcing Steve Bannon to resign.

    The Joint Chiefs delivered a public coup threat to Trump.

    I cannot underemphasize the phrase: total defeat

    "Real National Socialism has never been tried"

    And they confirmed it at the ballot box by electing a Dem Governor in Virginia

    Virginia is a blue state now. There’s no reason to think it would’ve gone red had Charlottesville not happened. And if it had, a cuck GOPe Gillespie would make sure no progress could be made.

    defeating Roy Moore in Alabama

    This has nothing to do with Charlottesville. Again, Moore was a loser candidate, who didn’t manage his public image well against an onslaught of attacks.

    The Joint Chiefs delivered a public coup threat to Trump.

    Source?

    Seems to me that the dissident/alt-right/white nationalist movement is still growing, despite the Charlottesville disaster. It doesn’t really seem any less structured now than it was before the event. Kessler and Spencer have always been losers.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Moore was a loser candidate

    Deeply flawed.
  172. @216

    Oh yes we do.
    “We” also seem incapable of doing that; providing solutions I mean.
     
    There is no "Alt-Right Beltway Think Tank", for starters.

    Nor any kind of Muslim Brotherhood like organization that provides business networking opportunity, and social services.

    And even mainstream conservatism is absent from academia, when it should be represented by at least 40% of professors.

    There is no “Alt-Right Beltway Think Tank”, for starters.

    Precisely !

    It’s sort of puzzling that, with all this “tech” at our disposal, “we” haven’t been able to create such think tank. True, less of a puzzle with each passing month.

    That “we” can’t have TEN smart guys, working together, for three months only, does tell us something about “us”.
    A big something.

    • Replies: @iffen
    You are not saying that there aren't at least 10 smart guys on our side, are you?
  173. @216
    It is a good thing I do not tire of repeating the same explanation:

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city. The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia, and Jason Kessler* was pushed aside in terms of event planning.

    *Kessler is an unstable person who has drifted around fringe politics

    The goal of Charlottesville was to replicate the success that Milo Yiannopolous at Berkeley, where the violence led to public threats from Trump/GOP Congress to cut federal funds for universities that don't maintain free speech. There was talk of a R. Spencer college tour, where state power would be presumably wielded to suppress protests.

    A lot of alt-lite figures were proposed to be in attendance, like Thernovith and Bumble Jack. That's what was in the name "Unite the Right". They didn't show.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city's reputation damaged.

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city.

    That isn’t a revelation. CVille has been an ultra leftist college town for a long time now.

    The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia

    The same can be said for the most of the antifa, BLM and other counterprotestors/domestic terrorists.

    The Cville debacle had little to do with Kessler’s stability or lack thereof and everything to do with a Jewish leftist mayor, a black panther vice mayor, city council and police force that conspired to deprive the UtR protestors of their civil rights because they didn’t like their pro-white politics.

    Cville was run and probably still is run by a bunch of left wing Bull Connors. The black police chief told his underlings to “let them (the opposing sides) fight”. The Heapy report vindicates the UtR organizers and attendees and places the blame squarely on the city’s mishandling of the event.

    If you think the residents of Cville are owed an apology then it should come from their own corrupt officials and not the UtR event organizers and rally goers as they were following every law and rule that was laid down by the city. But the residents of Cville voted for this SJW and anti-white freakshow so they really aren’t owed anything.

    • Replies: @216

    If you think the residents of Cville are owed an apology then it should come from their own corrupt officials and not the UtR event organizers and rally goers as they were following every law and rule that was laid down by the city. But the residents of Cville voted for this SJW and anti-white freakshow so they really aren’t owed anything.
     
    I disagree, whether we like it or not, the residents are entitled to self-determination. It is my opinion that we should respect this, and practice non-interference in what ought to be considered local politics.

    Our message is clear that we consider illegal migration to be unwelcome, and that the moral thing for illegals to do is pack up and leave, and for future migrants to not come at all.

    We don't practice what we preach. Insisting that leftist universities and municipalities allow us to hold invasive demonstrations because of "muh rights", is a fools errand of legalistic autism.
  174. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    And they confirmed it at the ballot box by electing a Dem Governor in Virginia
     
    Virginia is a blue state now. There's no reason to think it would've gone red had Charlottesville not happened. And if it had, a cuck GOPe Gillespie would make sure no progress could be made.

    defeating Roy Moore in Alabama
     
    This has nothing to do with Charlottesville. Again, Moore was a loser candidate, who didn't manage his public image well against an onslaught of attacks.

    The Joint Chiefs delivered a public coup threat to Trump.
     
    Source?

    Seems to me that the dissident/alt-right/white nationalist movement is still growing, despite the Charlottesville disaster. It doesn't really seem any less structured now than it was before the event. Kessler and Spencer have always been losers.

    Moore was a loser candidate

    Deeply flawed.

  175. @peterAUS

    There is no “Alt-Right Beltway Think Tank”, for starters.
     
    Precisely !

    It's sort of puzzling that, with all this "tech" at our disposal, "we" haven't been able to create such think tank. True, less of a puzzle with each passing month.

    That "we" can't have TEN smart guys, working together, for three months only, does tell us something about "us".
    A big something.

    You are not saying that there aren’t at least 10 smart guys on our side, are you?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    It is not hard to get smart Machiavellians to support any group if it is sufficiently strong.

    What are the perks of a WN state to a perfectly selfish and smart white person?

    1. Less crimes
    2. Higher wages
    3. The opportunity to take over urban property at unusually low prices.
    4. The opportunity to start businesses to replace the current ones on the groups that your new businesses are WN while the old ones are anti-white.

    , @peterAUS
    I am saying it would be good to try to figure out why we haven't had that think tank.

    Simple question.

    Or....hehe..cancel that. Too complicated, looks like it, for the "alt-whatever".
    And, not important, apparently. The moon landing is. Or whatever.
    For now. Well, maybe for quite some time, actually.

    I guess "we" will figure it out in a decade from now. And then, in another decade, we'll do something about it.

    All good.
  176. @KenH

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city.
     
    That isn't a revelation. CVille has been an ultra leftist college town for a long time now.

    The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia
     
    The same can be said for the most of the antifa, BLM and other counterprotestors/domestic terrorists.

    The Cville debacle had little to do with Kessler's stability or lack thereof and everything to do with a Jewish leftist mayor, a black panther vice mayor, city council and police force that conspired to deprive the UtR protestors of their civil rights because they didn't like their pro-white politics.

    Cville was run and probably still is run by a bunch of left wing Bull Connors. The black police chief told his underlings to "let them (the opposing sides) fight". The Heapy report vindicates the UtR organizers and attendees and places the blame squarely on the city's mishandling of the event.

    If you think the residents of Cville are owed an apology then it should come from their own corrupt officials and not the UtR event organizers and rally goers as they were following every law and rule that was laid down by the city. But the residents of Cville voted for this SJW and anti-white freakshow so they really aren't owed anything.

    If you think the residents of Cville are owed an apology then it should come from their own corrupt officials and not the UtR event organizers and rally goers as they were following every law and rule that was laid down by the city. But the residents of Cville voted for this SJW and anti-white freakshow so they really aren’t owed anything.

    I disagree, whether we like it or not, the residents are entitled to self-determination. It is my opinion that we should respect this, and practice non-interference in what ought to be considered local politics.

    Our message is clear that we consider illegal migration to be unwelcome, and that the moral thing for illegals to do is pack up and leave, and for future migrants to not come at all.

    We don’t practice what we preach. Insisting that leftist universities and municipalities allow us to hold invasive demonstrations because of “muh rights”, is a fools errand of legalistic autism.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Insisting that leftist universities and municipalities allow us to hold invasive demonstrations because of “muh rights”, is a fools errand of legalistic autism.
     
    Uhh, "muh" rights are pretty damn important. The right to free speech and assembly is given by the 1st amendment to the constitution. That applies *anywhere* in the USA.

    Illegal immigration, or any immigration to the USA at all, is not a right. Big difference.

    You sound like a perfect fit for the Yeb! campaign team.

    Just don't offend anybody, and they'll listen to us!
    , @KenH

    I disagree, whether we like it or not, the residents are entitled to self-determination. It is my opinion that we should respect this, and practice non-interference in what ought to be considered local politics.
     
    That's one way of looking at things but municipalities like Cville don't get to arbitrarily and unilaterally nullify the Constitution which is what they did. Remember that the deep south got into big, big trouble for doing to black civil rights protestors what Cville just did to pro-whites at UtR.

    Cville brought this upon themselves by proposing to tear down confederate statues. Cville has moved so far to the left that it's not even an American city anymore and should be reconquered.

    When right leaning cities are allowed to tear down statues MLK and other civil rights plastic gods and deny permits to BLM and other left wing groups then maybe I'll reconsider self determination for cities.
  177. @iffen
    You are not saying that there aren't at least 10 smart guys on our side, are you?

    It is not hard to get smart Machiavellians to support any group if it is sufficiently strong.

    What are the perks of a WN state to a perfectly selfish and smart white person?

    1. Less crimes
    2. Higher wages
    3. The opportunity to take over urban property at unusually low prices.
    4. The opportunity to start businesses to replace the current ones on the groups that your new businesses are WN while the old ones are anti-white.

  178. *Less crime
    *on the grounds

    Yep.

    What about the perks of Islam, the greatest force that can compete with WN in the future?

    1. A conservative wife who won’t divorce you and take half your money.
    2. In the case of whites, the ability to be considered semi-Middle Eastern and hence not really white. Note that this only has effects among SJWs.
    3. New friends mostly from the Middle East.

    What are the downsides of Islam to a Machiavellian person?

    1. One can not leave Islam. This is really the greatest one because the option to leave a community is important to Machiavellians.
    2. One has to abide by its rules. That includes the Ramadan and the five daily prayers. These are communal and the Ummah de facto have the ability to carry out extrajudicial punishment.
    3. Islam has bad reputation among non-Muslims. Unless you are in the Muslim world you may have to live fairly insular lives and lose your existing social connections.

    • Replies: @Talha
    I think people have really overestimated the idea of exactly how pious Muslim in their societies are expected to be. A few points:

    1. One can not leave Islam.
     
    There is currently a debate about this in the Muslim world, but you’re not going to get everyone on the same page. The Hanafi school is the most flexible and the Ottomans basically ended the practice during their Tanzimat reforms due to the changes in the meaning of “citizenship”. Before that, they had a fairly creative way of dealing with the issue; the order from Istanbul to its provinces was that all cases of apostasy must be dealt within the capital. Once there, the apostate was told to not make a huge deal and an arrangement was made to ship them out into some non-Muslim country (as far as the Hanafi school is concerned, once an apostate is outside Islamic territory, he is legally considered dead). One of my spiritual teachers moved to Pakistan for a few years to teach at LUMS University in Punjab, he said it is full of atheists. Most don’t make a big stink about it; it’s when someone makes a big stink that they are going to get pushback. That’s not going to change; once you make it everyone’s business, then it’s everyone’s business.

    2. One has to abide by its rules.
     
    LOL! You should tell that to some of my family members. When I visited Pakistan, some of them were surprised I prayed 5 times a day. I didn’t go to the authorities and eat them out (even if I did they’d likely tell me stop wasting their time). Again, if you don’t make a stink nobody cares. Policing fasting is impossible; people can drink water or eat any time in their house.

    The major problem would be if someone came out and made speeches about how people should stop fasting or praying. Then you’re just being stupid and stupid people get dealt with.

    extrajudicial punishment.
     
    Nope, this is prohibited and it is one of the misunderstandings that is causing major problems in Muslim lands - vigilante justice. Which is weird because we already have the legal means to deal with issues that affect the public sphere - it’s really immature behavior.

    Peace.
  179. @iffen
    You are not saying that there aren't at least 10 smart guys on our side, are you?

    I am saying it would be good to try to figure out why we haven’t had that think tank.

    Simple question.

    Or….hehe..cancel that. Too complicated, looks like it, for the “alt-whatever”.
    And, not important, apparently. The moon landing is. Or whatever.
    For now. Well, maybe for quite some time, actually.

    I guess “we” will figure it out in a decade from now. And then, in another decade, we’ll do something about it.

    All good.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Maybe it is a missing financial foundation.
  180. @EastKekistani
    *Less crime
    *on the grounds

    Yep.

    What about the perks of Islam, the greatest force that can compete with WN in the future?

    1. A conservative wife who won't divorce you and take half your money.
    2. In the case of whites, the ability to be considered semi-Middle Eastern and hence not really white. Note that this only has effects among SJWs.
    3. New friends mostly from the Middle East.

    What are the downsides of Islam to a Machiavellian person?

    1. One can not leave Islam. This is really the greatest one because the option to leave a community is important to Machiavellians.
    2. One has to abide by its rules. That includes the Ramadan and the five daily prayers. These are communal and the Ummah de facto have the ability to carry out extrajudicial punishment.
    3. Islam has bad reputation among non-Muslims. Unless you are in the Muslim world you may have to live fairly insular lives and lose your existing social connections.

    I think people have really overestimated the idea of exactly how pious Muslim in their societies are expected to be. A few points:

    1. One can not leave Islam.

    There is currently a debate about this in the Muslim world, but you’re not going to get everyone on the same page. The Hanafi school is the most flexible and the Ottomans basically ended the practice during their Tanzimat reforms due to the changes in the meaning of “citizenship”. Before that, they had a fairly creative way of dealing with the issue; the order from Istanbul to its provinces was that all cases of apostasy must be dealt within the capital. Once there, the apostate was told to not make a huge deal and an arrangement was made to ship them out into some non-Muslim country (as far as the Hanafi school is concerned, once an apostate is outside Islamic territory, he is legally considered dead). One of my spiritual teachers moved to Pakistan for a few years to teach at LUMS University in Punjab, he said it is full of atheists. Most don’t make a big stink about it; it’s when someone makes a big stink that they are going to get pushback. That’s not going to change; once you make it everyone’s business, then it’s everyone’s business.

    2. One has to abide by its rules.

    LOL! You should tell that to some of my family members. When I visited Pakistan, some of them were surprised I prayed 5 times a day. I didn’t go to the authorities and eat them out (even if I did they’d likely tell me stop wasting their time). Again, if you don’t make a stink nobody cares. Policing fasting is impossible; people can drink water or eat any time in their house.

    The major problem would be if someone came out and made speeches about how people should stop fasting or praying. Then you’re just being stupid and stupid people get dealt with.

    extrajudicial punishment.

    Nope, this is prohibited and it is one of the misunderstandings that is causing major problems in Muslim lands – vigilante justice. Which is weird because we already have the legal means to deal with issues that affect the public sphere – it’s really immature behavior.

    Peace.

  181. @iffen
    That means documenting abuse while receiving it stoically.

    Another task that would be an uphill fight. The "other" side has dibs on non-violent protest. "We" need to fight downhill.

    Primarily because it doesn’t get wide media coverage, but the images of Trump supporters being attacked in 2016 was good for the right.

    • Agree: 216
  182. @EastKekistani
    Then it doesn't work because nobody knows what blacks are going to do with their nukes. Nukes exist for deterrence only when all nuclear sides don't simply use them casually. What's going to happen if a bunch of nukes just explode in black America? They will claim that white scientists are hijacking some weapon system and set them off when in fact nobody knows what happened..This can lead to a global nuclear race war.

    The consequent states won’t be ethnostates. They breakup is far more likely to be along current political lines.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well, I want them to be ethnostates for my own interests.

    One goal I have is to make sure that all multiracial societies are located in racially NE Asian-majority territories such as Singapore. This is fair for all too because we are the least militant and least assertive race on this planet.

    , @KenH

    The consequent states won’t be ethnostates. They breakup is far more likely to be along current political lines.
     
    Which gives us ethnostates. Republican derive 80% of their votes from whites, so one possible ethnostate would be comprised of 80% whites and the 20% of non-whites who don't hate whites or America and have essentially the same political outlook.

    Blacks vote 88-95% for Democrats so there's another ethnostate and hispanics vote 66-72% for Dems.

    But then the white leftists left behind in majority non-white ethnostates won't like being a despised minority contrary to what they claim nor will they last long. So will seek entry into the 80% white ethnostate, but the door will hopefully be closed for them and they will reap what they've sown.

  183. @Talha
    For the record, demonstrations can be done well and effectively, but they need to be coordinated. We used to do them in UCLA against Zionists and I pulled security-detail a couple of times which meant more than anything; keeping your own side under control and letting the other side go ape. We rehearsed ahead of time what to do in various situations, if you were in security, you couldn’t be a hothead; you had to be willing to literally take a punch (from both sides). Results were beautiful; bunch of pissed off Zionists and only great photos on our side in the school newspaper.

    Optics are important; that’s the whole point of a demonstration! It’s for show.

    People claiming to be leaders that are not willing to go through the trouble to coordinate and pre-plan at this level are a liability whether or not their unprofessionalism and ineptitude is intentional or not.

    Peace.

    Even when the plans are carefully laid, anyone on the right is still walking into viper’s nest. Better to plan well and be disciplined than to not, but better still to not at all.

  184. @Audacious Epigone
    The consequent states won't be ethnostates. They breakup is far more likely to be along current political lines.

    Well, I want them to be ethnostates for my own interests.

    One goal I have is to make sure that all multiracial societies are located in racially NE Asian-majority territories such as Singapore. This is fair for all too because we are the least militant and least assertive race on this planet.

  185. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "To try and forecast the exact contours is an effort in futility, but I am highly skeptical that it will be along strict racial lines."

    I'm highly skeptical that it will happen at all. My comment was a criticism of theories already submitted.

    If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control.

    You guys can continue to pretend this or that will result in a better result, but everything. is. downstream. from. demographics.

    Everything.

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change. There is no getting around it. We're fucked.

    We’re fucked.

    I’ve long been regarded as a sort of sunny optimist.

    My general outlook has been shattered over the last few months. Violence against anyone deemed a white nationalist/supremacist is now essentially being openly supported in congress and the media. The idea of free speech is now openly scoffed at. And there is no opposition to any of it. Trump has energized the persecutors without doing anything to counter them. We are not far from proscription lists, virtual at first, literal not long after.

    • Replies: @Talha
    This kind of thing is certainly not helping:
    https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712173532/authorities-arrest-suspect-linked-to-3-burned-black-churches-in-louisiana

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there...

    Peace.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, a political solution is increasingly unlikely. I've never been bullish on that so it's really not a surprise to me.

    If you read Tarrant's manifesto, he welcomed this. Strong, right wing whites aren't giving up and more are straying from the mainstream left every day.

    But, since a political solution is unlikely, are you ready? Would you be a liability for your side, or an asset?
    , @ABigThink
    I look at demographics and think we'll probably be okay. Maybe I'm still an optimist, but whereas Europe looks likely to end in a severe bloodbath, I see whites eventually regaining supermajority status in a century or two without firing a shot.

    White conservatives still have kids. White liberals don't, and more than a few of them seem to be buying into this tranny fad that involves sterilizing their own offspring in the name of the fad.

    Short term: brown/black immigration utterly destroys the US economy. This will make them STOP coming here. White birthrates will eventually rebound.

    We'll be fine.
  186. @anon
    "If the US does break up, it will mostly be smaller versions of what it already is, functionally speaking. Which means we will still have the same groups that are divided along identity and tribal lines struggling for control."

    Secession would fix that as it would empower red state conservatives to enact polices which are now blocked by others elsewhere (immigration control, cultural degradation, etc.*); over time, it would be possible to then fix those demographic issues with a working majority of voters. Within the current system, there is no chance of that ever happening. If Arkansas, for example, seceded, it would be free to enact policy without constraint from the radical left because the radical left has no power in Arkansas. The same applies to lots of red states. Secession is your first step to fixing intractable problems because it deplatforms the entirety of the left all at once, allowing for a clean break and a do over - their control over schools, the government, the media...the whole thing, all gone. We can start over and put ourselves in charge for once.

    This is a lesson that the Yang Gang is going to learn this primary season. They will be stunned and demoralized when both he and Tulsi Gabbard go down to defeat in the primaries due to racial block voting. Usually, after such electoral failures, there is an introspective, soul-searching moment when the loser asks if there is a problem with either his policy or his messaging. In 2021, I predict that some of these Yang Gang types won't do that this time. They will correctly conclude that their policies are fine, it's just that they need some territory where they are empowered to enact them. That would be Red State secession. Why change correct policy when you can just change the political system itself so that you can then implement your policies without constraint? Isn't that what the pilgrims did?

    And why is red state (or Southern) secession such an attractive prospect when similar Libertarian plans failed in the past (move to a state and vote in Libertarian polices)? Because many of those areas already have majority voting populations that might be receptive to the independence message. Therefore, there is no need to move populations around or do much heavy, unlikely and impractical, lifting. Just run for office, co-opt local republicans, use the government to enact policy (forwarding controversial bills is like marching but better), and exploit grievances while advancing the achievable goal of independence. With increasing tensions and anti-white hate, this will become ever easier. Make yourself a defender of a battered, abused people and advance secession as a defensive maneuver meant to protect said people and provide them with a safe space and suddenly you've got yourself a nation. That's what Israel did.

    *Red states could pass an illegal alien amnesty that avoids prosecution for migrants as long as they leave for California or they could pass reparations legislation for blacks that gives them money in exchange for them to moving to blue states and upscale areas like Malibu and the Hamptons while allowing in conservative European-Americans from the former continental United States. Demographic problem solved. Easy.

    Right now the snarky threats about shipping illegal aliens to sanctuary cities is meaningless. It won’t happen and even if it did, they’d just immediately abscond to wherever their home communities in the US currently live.

    With separate countries, though, the equation changes.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  187. @Audacious Epigone
    We’re fucked.

    I've long been regarded as a sort of sunny optimist.

    My general outlook has been shattered over the last few months. Violence against anyone deemed a white nationalist/supremacist is now essentially being openly supported in congress and the media. The idea of free speech is now openly scoffed at. And there is no opposition to any of it. Trump has energized the persecutors without doing anything to counter them. We are not far from proscription lists, virtual at first, literal not long after.

    This kind of thing is certainly not helping:
    https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712173532/authorities-arrest-suspect-linked-to-3-burned-black-churches-in-louisiana

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there…

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    In China it would have completely opposite effects. The more brutal you are the more respected you are. Commies are respected precisely because they are one of the most savage entities in recent Chinese history.

    In non-fellah societies on the other hand....You don't earn respect by being more deadly than everyone else. I often forget that when talking here though..

    , @KenH

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there…
     
    And just where does the article say that the white arsonist is a white nationalist? According to the article the arson attacks are without a racial motive and the arsonist is linked to a heavy metal group that's responsible for burning churches in Sweden.

    Regarding optics, I'm not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment with all the church bombings in Egypt and the Philippines, rape gangs in the U.K., terrorist attacks in Europe and the reintroduction of the slave trade in Liby and parts of N.Africa.
  188. @Talha
    This kind of thing is certainly not helping:
    https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712173532/authorities-arrest-suspect-linked-to-3-burned-black-churches-in-louisiana

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there...

    Peace.

    In China it would have completely opposite effects. The more brutal you are the more respected you are. Commies are respected precisely because they are one of the most savage entities in recent Chinese history.

    In non-fellah societies on the other hand….You don’t earn respect by being more deadly than everyone else. I often forget that when talking here though..

    • Replies: @Talha
    Not surprising given China’s history. Here, there’s Christianity you gotta deal with.

    This kind of thing is asking Christians to pick sides. Stupid move.

    Peace.

    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    In China it would have completely opposite effects.
     
    That explains that poll, where the Chinese overwhelmingly approved of Brenton Tarrant's actions in NZ.

    If I was in charge, we would be alot more brutal along the border, trust me. But unfortunately nearly every western politician is a cuck, and the few who aren't are incompetent buffoons (Donald Trump). Orban, Salvini and Farage are perhaps some non-cucks who are also competent. One could hardly call them brutal, though.

    I always try to tell people this. Foreigners respect strength and brutality. These idiots in Canada think that, by being "extra nice" and sucking up to Muslim immigrants, they're going to integrate and love us. It's about the polar opposite from the truth. Do you notice you never see any whining from 3rd worlders when a strong, decisive white leader actually takes action? When Salvini shuts down the ports he's respected by migrants. Then they go to Germany and whine about the "alt right" because they know Germans are largely cucks.

    The only people whining about Quebec's new anti-hijab, turban and burka law are Jews and Anglos living in Quebec. Minorities in Ontario whine to the Anglo whites because they can score brownie points with them. But they respect the Franco display of strength, and will either obey the law or move to Toronto. No brown person is bitching to Francophones because they know we're strong and don't care.

  189. @Simply Simon
    St Paul stated the matter of God rather eloquently I think. "If you understand it it is not God.,if you do not understand it it is God." Any human being attempting to explain God is on a fruitless venture, but we seem to have thousands of would be preachers who try to do so. Try to lead a blameless life and you will not be judged harshly is about all the religion one needs.

    Giving guidance as to how to lead that good life in the face of the temptations of the World is the challenge for Church, Family and Community.

    • Agree: Simply Simon
  190. @216

    Personally, I think Jews were a productive and mostly harmless minority until after WWII when America decided to accept a ton of Soviet Jews, most of whom were quite literally communists. Just like Muslims here were basically harmless until we started taking in a bunch of low-functioning migrants from Somalia and wherever else we decided to bomb. It doesn’t change the current ethnic reality, of course, and if tensions heat up then no one is going to care. But I happen to find the history interesting, and there’s a big difference between importing a bunch of Jews vs. importing a bunch of Communists who happen to be Jewish.
     
    That's odd to me. In my experience Jackson-Vanik Soviet Jews tended to be rather anti-communist. We didn't admit a large number of Jews after WW2, the major waves came over from 1880-1914, as a result of pogroms following the assasination of Tsar Alexander II, along with the opportunity to make a lot more money in the US. These were the radicals.

    The earlier smaller number of Jews were mostly Sephardic or German Ashkenazi, one of them was the No. 3 official in the Confederacy, Judah Benjamin. Their political impact was rather negligible, hence adopting Alexander Hamilton as the honorary Jewish Founding Father.

    And if so, have you considered other explanations, such as Jews gravitating toward those professions for cultural reasons, while white gentiles tend to look upon the same professions (law, banking, etc.) with disdain and avoid them when possible?
     
    Perhaps its my provincialism, but this struck me as even stranger. Very few white gentiles would look askance at working as a lawyer or working for a bank. The Bar and the Banks are not institutionally popular to be sure, but individually they are still respected as upper-middle class professions versus say working in the construction industry. I do think there should be suspicion cast upon lawyers, as law school is recklessly expensive, which is why I didn't go.

    I do sense a disdain among some whites for working in Asian-dominated STEM fields, and on a personal basis I feel I should have been pushed harder in math. I tend to side with the evidence that casts doubt on the "STEM shortage" however, I suspect a tech industry reluctance to both pay higher wages and train/retrain older workers.

    “…adopting Alexander Hamilton as the honorary Jewish Founding Father.”

    Isn’t Hamilton the honorary Black Founding Father?

  191. @EastKekistani
    In China it would have completely opposite effects. The more brutal you are the more respected you are. Commies are respected precisely because they are one of the most savage entities in recent Chinese history.

    In non-fellah societies on the other hand....You don't earn respect by being more deadly than everyone else. I often forget that when talking here though..

    Not surprising given China’s history. Here, there’s Christianity you gotta deal with.

    This kind of thing is asking Christians to pick sides. Stupid move.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Not surprising given China’s history. Here, there’s Christianity you gotta deal with.
     
    Yep. There is only one real rule in China: There are no other rules at all. This is why even ex-beggar cannibal bandits such as Zhu Yuanzhang could actually become the Emperor. Where is legitimacy? Well everybody could bend rules about it to accommodate anyone and everyone including even Zhu and Mongol/Manchu invaders too. Right now due to commies there is not even any nominal legitimacy any more... It is completely Hobbesian. There is literally no reason why Xi instead of you, Ron Unz, Steve Tsu, President Trump or I should be the ruler of China. If you literally kill enough people and defeat the commie troops you can become the ruler of China too. But since nobody really has any legitimacy nobody will really care enough to defend you at any cost if people want to overthrow you either.

    This kind of thing is asking Christians to pick sides. Stupid move.
     
    Right. They will probably pick religion.
  192. @216
    It is a good thing I do not tire of repeating the same explanation:

    The people of Charlottesville are super-majority Dem, they did not want the demonstration in their city. The demonstrators were predominantly not from Virginia, and Jason Kessler* was pushed aside in terms of event planning.

    *Kessler is an unstable person who has drifted around fringe politics

    The goal of Charlottesville was to replicate the success that Milo Yiannopolous at Berkeley, where the violence led to public threats from Trump/GOP Congress to cut federal funds for universities that don't maintain free speech. There was talk of a R. Spencer college tour, where state power would be presumably wielded to suppress protests.

    A lot of alt-lite figures were proposed to be in attendance, like Thernovith and Bumble Jack. That's what was in the name "Unite the Right". They didn't show.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city's reputation damaged.

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city’s reputation damaged.

    Isn’t that a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking? I’m not a strategist, so I don’t have a strong opinion either way. It just seems like UTR didn’t become self-evidently idiotic until after the fact.

    • Replies: @Talha
    They failed to plan thus they planned to fail.

    Completely irresponsible behavior, they screwed their own movement to appease their egos in wanting to get ahead of the crowd and become the visible leaders.

    Peace.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    216 is correct about going to uber-leftist places like Berkeley and C'Ville. There's nothing like a 'silent majority' passively supporting things they feel are extreme but not existentially threatening in cities like that. It's all hostility everywhere from everyone.
  193. @Rosie

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city’s reputation damaged.
     
    Isn't that a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking? I'm not a strategist, so I don't have a strong opinion either way. It just seems like UTR didn't become self-evidently idiotic until after the fact.

    They failed to plan thus they planned to fail.

    Completely irresponsible behavior, they screwed their own movement to appease their egos in wanting to get ahead of the crowd and become the visible leaders.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Talha, if your daughter has a political bent, she will have a front row seat in the fight over the cancellation of the Jews’ platinum victim card. The elections of Omar and Tlaib are a Godsend for our side. (Watching N. Pelosi battle daily those two and AOC for the media spotlight only proves to me that God is finally on our side.) We only missed nirvana when Keith Ellison failed to get elected DNC chair. Now if some big money Jews will just panic over K. Harris’s faceplant start and fund a Stacey Abrams campaign for president …
    , @KenH
    Exactly how did they fail to plan? I don't see how anyone could have anticipated the flagrant civil rights violations that Cville committed against the LEGAL UtR protestors.

    The only mistake was probably not keeping a tighter lid on attendees as it appears a few paid infiltrators showed up with swastika flags. But even if those guys didn't show up things would still have played out badly owing to the city's decision to "let them fight" so they could declare an unlawful assembly.

    There's definitely some egos in the alt-right but again those really didn't come into play until after the rally and the finger pointing started.
  194. @Talha
    Not surprising given China’s history. Here, there’s Christianity you gotta deal with.

    This kind of thing is asking Christians to pick sides. Stupid move.

    Peace.

    Not surprising given China’s history. Here, there’s Christianity you gotta deal with.

    Yep. There is only one real rule in China: There are no other rules at all. This is why even ex-beggar cannibal bandits such as Zhu Yuanzhang could actually become the Emperor. Where is legitimacy? Well everybody could bend rules about it to accommodate anyone and everyone including even Zhu and Mongol/Manchu invaders too. Right now due to commies there is not even any nominal legitimacy any more… It is completely Hobbesian. There is literally no reason why Xi instead of you, Ron Unz, Steve Tsu, President Trump or I should be the ruler of China. If you literally kill enough people and defeat the commie troops you can become the ruler of China too. But since nobody really has any legitimacy nobody will really care enough to defend you at any cost if people want to overthrow you either.

    This kind of thing is asking Christians to pick sides. Stupid move.

    Right. They will probably pick religion.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Probably? There's no question about it. Attacking people who have roots going back centuries in the most unobjectionable place large groups of blacks gather is despicable (and obviously counterproductive).
  195. @216

    If you think the residents of Cville are owed an apology then it should come from their own corrupt officials and not the UtR event organizers and rally goers as they were following every law and rule that was laid down by the city. But the residents of Cville voted for this SJW and anti-white freakshow so they really aren’t owed anything.
     
    I disagree, whether we like it or not, the residents are entitled to self-determination. It is my opinion that we should respect this, and practice non-interference in what ought to be considered local politics.

    Our message is clear that we consider illegal migration to be unwelcome, and that the moral thing for illegals to do is pack up and leave, and for future migrants to not come at all.

    We don't practice what we preach. Insisting that leftist universities and municipalities allow us to hold invasive demonstrations because of "muh rights", is a fools errand of legalistic autism.

    Insisting that leftist universities and municipalities allow us to hold invasive demonstrations because of “muh rights”, is a fools errand of legalistic autism.

    Uhh, “muh” rights are pretty damn important. The right to free speech and assembly is given by the 1st amendment to the constitution. That applies *anywhere* in the USA.

    Illegal immigration, or any immigration to the USA at all, is not a right. Big difference.

    You sound like a perfect fit for the Yeb! campaign team.

    Just don’t offend anybody, and they’ll listen to us!

    • Replies: @216
    The only way to punish the city for "violating rights" would have been for the federal DOJ to file a lawsuit against the city, and to indict the Mayor, Chief and Gov. McAuliffe. The people of VA indicated their approval of McAuliffe's actions by electing Northam as his successor, so this would have been seen as a partisan prosecution and an attempt to overturn an election.

    Only a truly reckless admin would have done this, and certain impeachment/coup would have been the result.

    Perhaps you think that would have been a good thing as it may have accelerated into a civil war.

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than "offending people".
  196. @EastKekistani
    In China it would have completely opposite effects. The more brutal you are the more respected you are. Commies are respected precisely because they are one of the most savage entities in recent Chinese history.

    In non-fellah societies on the other hand....You don't earn respect by being more deadly than everyone else. I often forget that when talking here though..

    In China it would have completely opposite effects.

    That explains that poll, where the Chinese overwhelmingly approved of Brenton Tarrant’s actions in NZ.

    If I was in charge, we would be alot more brutal along the border, trust me. But unfortunately nearly every western politician is a cuck, and the few who aren’t are incompetent buffoons (Donald Trump). Orban, Salvini and Farage are perhaps some non-cucks who are also competent. One could hardly call them brutal, though.

    I always try to tell people this. Foreigners respect strength and brutality. These idiots in Canada think that, by being “extra nice” and sucking up to Muslim immigrants, they’re going to integrate and love us. It’s about the polar opposite from the truth. Do you notice you never see any whining from 3rd worlders when a strong, decisive white leader actually takes action? When Salvini shuts down the ports he’s respected by migrants. Then they go to Germany and whine about the “alt right” because they know Germans are largely cucks.

    The only people whining about Quebec’s new anti-hijab, turban and burka law are Jews and Anglos living in Quebec. Minorities in Ontario whine to the Anglo whites because they can score brownie points with them. But they respect the Franco display of strength, and will either obey the law or move to Toronto. No brown person is bitching to Francophones because they know we’re strong and don’t care.

    • Replies: @Anonn
    Or they know they can't do anything because they're a small hopelessly outnumbered minority.
    , @EastKekistani
    I would say that Brenton Tarrant can not really scare Middle Eastern Muslims not because they are mostly not white but because Middle Eastern Muslims are fairly accustomed to a level of religious and tribal violence much above this while whites aren't. Scaring even agriculturalist blacks should be easier.

    The only people who inherently fear and are unfamiliar with random violence are us. However since we are extremely Hobbesian and Machiavellian we don't give a shit about any law of war. Killing random women and children is allowed not because it is allowed by certain customs and traditions related to conflict but precisely because there is no law of war at all.

    , @EastKekistani

    If I was in charge, we would be alot more brutal along the border, trust me. But unfortunately nearly every western politician is a cuck, and the few who aren’t are incompetent buffoons (Donald Trump). Orban, Salvini and Farage are perhaps some non-cucks who are also competent. One could hardly call them brutal, though.
     
    If I were in charge I would be brutal not just along the border but actually beyond it. What really is the essence of a border wall? It delays but can not reverse decline. Romans had their wall. Persians had their wall. China had a wall. So what? If you need a wall to keep less developed people out you are already no longer capable of taking over their lands.

    Foreigners respect strength and brutality.
     
    As I said before, this really depends on the tribe. Pastoralists and those who often fight in tribal and religious feuds such as Middle Eastern Muslims tend to not give a shit because if even ISIS can not horrify Shias enough into submission why do you think Tarrant can? Those under long traditions of Oriental Despotism and foreign rule on the other hand tend to respect only brutality and never being nice which is exactly why Kim, Xi and Rouhani are still in power. As for blacks I really don't know. They simply don't operate according to rationality. I don't think white (or Arab/Persian) cultures are brutal enough to permanently occupy black areas. However...we are.
  197. @Audacious Epigone
    We’re fucked.

    I've long been regarded as a sort of sunny optimist.

    My general outlook has been shattered over the last few months. Violence against anyone deemed a white nationalist/supremacist is now essentially being openly supported in congress and the media. The idea of free speech is now openly scoffed at. And there is no opposition to any of it. Trump has energized the persecutors without doing anything to counter them. We are not far from proscription lists, virtual at first, literal not long after.

    Yes, a political solution is increasingly unlikely. I’ve never been bullish on that so it’s really not a surprise to me.

    If you read Tarrant’s manifesto, he welcomed this. Strong, right wing whites aren’t giving up and more are straying from the mainstream left every day.

    But, since a political solution is unlikely, are you ready? Would you be a liability for your side, or an asset?

    • Replies: @Anonn
    If you require hate to grow for you to succeed is it really worth it??
    , @EastKekistani
    I really don't see how the white side can lose in the New World, Australia or New Zealand. Europe is a completely different story because there are a lot of Muslims there.

    Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans. Blacks can hardly win any international war against whites or Arabs. However they are indeed very good at periodically removing foreigners from all black-supermajority territories from Haiti to Rhodesia and Uganda. Their low IQ, poor hygiene, high crime rates and brutality are factors that deter foreigners from wandering into black majority areas. They make no sense and are unpredictable which are precisely why people are scared of them. Unless we outright go Hitler it is not easy way to take over their territories permanently.

    Mestizos on the other hand are for some unknown reasons not even capable of self-governance. This is why any future North Mexico will be ruled by Anglo and Spanish whites. If mestizos had the political strength of blacks there would have been brutal anti-white insurgencies and later Haiti-style massacres almost all over Latin America (except in the far south) that could make Rhodesian Bush War look like a picnic. We don't see anything like that or even just mestizo attempts to (peacefully or not) take power on racial grounds in countries where they are a majority happening. Maybe they are indeed terminally submissive or something.

  198. @Talha
    They failed to plan thus they planned to fail.

    Completely irresponsible behavior, they screwed their own movement to appease their egos in wanting to get ahead of the crowd and become the visible leaders.

    Peace.

    Talha, if your daughter has a political bent, she will have a front row seat in the fight over the cancellation of the Jews’ platinum victim card. The elections of Omar and Tlaib are a Godsend for our side. (Watching N. Pelosi battle daily those two and AOC for the media spotlight only proves to me that God is finally on our side.) We only missed nirvana when Keith Ellison failed to get elected DNC chair. Now if some big money Jews will just panic over K. Harris’s faceplant start and fund a Stacey Abrams campaign for president …

    • LOL: Talha
  199. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    In China it would have completely opposite effects.
     
    That explains that poll, where the Chinese overwhelmingly approved of Brenton Tarrant's actions in NZ.

    If I was in charge, we would be alot more brutal along the border, trust me. But unfortunately nearly every western politician is a cuck, and the few who aren't are incompetent buffoons (Donald Trump). Orban, Salvini and Farage are perhaps some non-cucks who are also competent. One could hardly call them brutal, though.

    I always try to tell people this. Foreigners respect strength and brutality. These idiots in Canada think that, by being "extra nice" and sucking up to Muslim immigrants, they're going to integrate and love us. It's about the polar opposite from the truth. Do you notice you never see any whining from 3rd worlders when a strong, decisive white leader actually takes action? When Salvini shuts down the ports he's respected by migrants. Then they go to Germany and whine about the "alt right" because they know Germans are largely cucks.

    The only people whining about Quebec's new anti-hijab, turban and burka law are Jews and Anglos living in Quebec. Minorities in Ontario whine to the Anglo whites because they can score brownie points with them. But they respect the Franco display of strength, and will either obey the law or move to Toronto. No brown person is bitching to Francophones because they know we're strong and don't care.

    Or they know they can’t do anything because they’re a small hopelessly outnumbered minority.

  200. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, a political solution is increasingly unlikely. I've never been bullish on that so it's really not a surprise to me.

    If you read Tarrant's manifesto, he welcomed this. Strong, right wing whites aren't giving up and more are straying from the mainstream left every day.

    But, since a political solution is unlikely, are you ready? Would you be a liability for your side, or an asset?

    If you require hate to grow for you to succeed is it really worth it??

    • Replies: @iffen
    If you require hate to grow for you to succeed

    Are you able to discern whether they hate the other, or just hate what they think the other is doing to them?

    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    What happened to you btw? You were an ex-Mormon and now you're a fob Sikh.

    As far as the hate part. That's the point, most goodwhites never wanted to hate. They just wanted to have a melting pot where we can all sing kumbaya. But they're being forced, out of simple self preservation, to become redpilled. Only the most ignorant or masochistic whites are still supporting open borders (and there's a very high number of ignorant people).
  201. @peterAUS
    I am saying it would be good to try to figure out why we haven't had that think tank.

    Simple question.

    Or....hehe..cancel that. Too complicated, looks like it, for the "alt-whatever".
    And, not important, apparently. The moon landing is. Or whatever.
    For now. Well, maybe for quite some time, actually.

    I guess "we" will figure it out in a decade from now. And then, in another decade, we'll do something about it.

    All good.

    Maybe it is a missing financial foundation.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    I believe the answer is, somewhere, within that comment.

    Which, itself, tells a lot about "us" and, really important, the (quite likely) near future.

    A smart man simply has to take that onboard and act accordingly.
  202. @Anonn
    If you require hate to grow for you to succeed is it really worth it??

    If you require hate to grow for you to succeed

    Are you able to discern whether they hate the other, or just hate what they think the other is doing to them?

  203. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    In China it would have completely opposite effects.
     
    That explains that poll, where the Chinese overwhelmingly approved of Brenton Tarrant's actions in NZ.

    If I was in charge, we would be alot more brutal along the border, trust me. But unfortunately nearly every western politician is a cuck, and the few who aren't are incompetent buffoons (Donald Trump). Orban, Salvini and Farage are perhaps some non-cucks who are also competent. One could hardly call them brutal, though.

    I always try to tell people this. Foreigners respect strength and brutality. These idiots in Canada think that, by being "extra nice" and sucking up to Muslim immigrants, they're going to integrate and love us. It's about the polar opposite from the truth. Do you notice you never see any whining from 3rd worlders when a strong, decisive white leader actually takes action? When Salvini shuts down the ports he's respected by migrants. Then they go to Germany and whine about the "alt right" because they know Germans are largely cucks.

    The only people whining about Quebec's new anti-hijab, turban and burka law are Jews and Anglos living in Quebec. Minorities in Ontario whine to the Anglo whites because they can score brownie points with them. But they respect the Franco display of strength, and will either obey the law or move to Toronto. No brown person is bitching to Francophones because they know we're strong and don't care.

    I would say that Brenton Tarrant can not really scare Middle Eastern Muslims not because they are mostly not white but because Middle Eastern Muslims are fairly accustomed to a level of religious and tribal violence much above this while whites aren’t. Scaring even agriculturalist blacks should be easier.

    The only people who inherently fear and are unfamiliar with random violence are us. However since we are extremely Hobbesian and Machiavellian we don’t give a shit about any law of war. Killing random women and children is allowed not because it is allowed by certain customs and traditions related to conflict but precisely because there is no law of war at all.

  204. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, a political solution is increasingly unlikely. I've never been bullish on that so it's really not a surprise to me.

    If you read Tarrant's manifesto, he welcomed this. Strong, right wing whites aren't giving up and more are straying from the mainstream left every day.

    But, since a political solution is unlikely, are you ready? Would you be a liability for your side, or an asset?

    I really don’t see how the white side can lose in the New World, Australia or New Zealand. Europe is a completely different story because there are a lot of Muslims there.

    Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans. Blacks can hardly win any international war against whites or Arabs. However they are indeed very good at periodically removing foreigners from all black-supermajority territories from Haiti to Rhodesia and Uganda. Their low IQ, poor hygiene, high crime rates and brutality are factors that deter foreigners from wandering into black majority areas. They make no sense and are unpredictable which are precisely why people are scared of them. Unless we outright go Hitler it is not easy way to take over their territories permanently.

    Mestizos on the other hand are for some unknown reasons not even capable of self-governance. This is why any future North Mexico will be ruled by Anglo and Spanish whites. If mestizos had the political strength of blacks there would have been brutal anti-white insurgencies and later Haiti-style massacres almost all over Latin America (except in the far south) that could make Rhodesian Bush War look like a picnic. We don’t see anything like that or even just mestizo attempts to (peacefully or not) take power on racial grounds in countries where they are a majority happening. Maybe they are indeed terminally submissive or something.

    • Replies: @polaco

    Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans.
     
    Jamaica became a horrible country after the British had left. Most of the Caribbean countries were non relevant backward places until Cuba went communist and Whites begun to set up tourist resorts there. Whites are also the brains behind all the tax havens established there, which has begun in the errly 1970s in the case of the Cayman islands.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I think you're having fevered thoughts about race wars. That's not how any of this is going to play out in the western hemisphere. Fertility rates, immigration, and CRISPR are the inputs that will matter.
  205. Black supermajority required to pull off a Zimbabwe is not actually present in Canada and the US nor will it happen in foreseeable future. This is why I know that white rule won’t actually be threatened in the New World, Australia and New Zealand.

  206. @Anonn
    If you require hate to grow for you to succeed is it really worth it??

    What happened to you btw? You were an ex-Mormon and now you’re a fob Sikh.

    As far as the hate part. That’s the point, most goodwhites never wanted to hate. They just wanted to have a melting pot where we can all sing kumbaya. But they’re being forced, out of simple self preservation, to become redpilled. Only the most ignorant or masochistic whites are still supporting open borders (and there’s a very high number of ignorant people).

  207. @216
    Check into something called the "Boeremag", a small group of Afrikaner terrorists during the 1990s hoping to fulfill the Rensburg prophecy.

    The South African state, no one's model of competence or efficiency, infiltrated and crushed them easily. Incompetence in the courts caused the trial to drag on for 10 years, but created no martyrs to embolden the cause.

    The ANC eagerly used the terrorism excuse to pass harsher gun laws, and disband the Commando system where farmers were allowed to act as an ad-hoc militia to defend against crime.

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban

    Think you can outrun one of these?

    http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/343804/8386521/1283434935760/General_Atomics_Avenger_UCAV.jpg?token=KGdBvZewrYLBVDK8GHxtuVojrsk%3D

    Thought so, that's why I argue for civility and political solutions, and I argue against violent rhetoric that I myself used to be quite the fan of.

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban

    UFO is right: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3152185,

    All of these things you will get no matter what you do, the screws are being tightened just as they have been, gradually, for a long while. Towards the end, you should expect the final tightening down to happen suddenly, all at once, as the population becomes more agitated and grows weary of their hostile government. It is this authoritarian overreach coupled with a dire economic situation that can bring about violence as a desperate, push-back response. Alternatively, people will just passively accept their country’s sliding more and more in the direction of a social-democratic state, with a totalitarian flavour.

    Demographics is key. Soon there will be no way for a true Republican to win an election, at least 30% of whites always vote Democrat, but the Republican party is the only place where you can find decent people to vote for. Many Republicans choose not to confront the status quo, when they go to Washington as the entire government bureaucracy consists of Democrats, from security guards all the way up to the highest ranking career political operators in all of the departments. They transfer your tax money to fund their friends’ non-profit operations, which keep you under siege. Democrats own the media and the entire education system. Then many Republicans are outright great white traitors, like all white Democrats serving the communist agenda, with the usual suspects calling the shots. Look how powerless and outnumbered Trump is, no one person can drain the swamp by himself, if you attack one useless government branch, all others will be up in arms against you, for they expect to be next, the political machine will chew you up and spit you out, this cancer has metastasized to unbelievable proportions, encompassing the whole country: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/11/thomas-dilorenzo/rich-rulers/

    To have real change, you should start sending honest, incorruptible people to Washington, as well as elect them locally, people who would be happy with their government salaries, not susceptible to lobbying and pressure, they should have your full unwavering support, no matter how the economy goes, election after election. But this is unlikely, where to find them- there is no political solution, before too long, definitely in one generation, maybe sooner, Latin Americans will begin to elect shameless kleptocrats to your government positions, including the presidential office, things will go downhill rapidly from there. America may become a leftist, authoritarian regime, with Brazilian demographics, free government run medical care- with its unions on strike every year, free higher education, and naturally with a 25% VAT, and $8 per gallon petrol to pay for it all, and with economically crippling price increases across the board, associated with all new taxes.

    In the 1950s the US was the place to be, an economic powerhouse, as well as the freest. How could a country almost 90% white have fallen like that. You’d think by now 99% white should be the natural outcome. Everywhere you look, there is nowhere to go if you want a developed, advanced country where freedom and justice dwell, just oppressive, intrusive governments in ascend all around, where people are not seen as humans, but as gulag prisoners referred to by numbers.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, 216 is either incredibly naive or an establishment lackey of the Republican Party. They mock you when you're weak and hate you if you're strong. You just make their job easier when you're weak.

    The whole game plan is to reduce whites to a minority in their own countries. I'm not sure where it stops, if the plan is to eventually genocide or enslave us, or just to dissolve our potential power against the Jews.

    They're turning up the heat now because they're scared, and many white people are waking up. The cowards will scurry back into obscurity and seek for normie approval. The strong will keep advocating for their rights and to end immigration. I see the increased attacks on whites as a good thing- the closer your get to the heart of the beast, the more defenses it puts up.
    , @Mark G.
    At some point there will be a reversal of the current situation in the U.S. That point will be when the number of taxpayers are outnumbered by the tax eaters. The number of productive people in the U.S. has been steadily declining. That happened in the Soviet Union and when the crackup came it was very sudden and unexpected. China also ran into the same problem and had to change course. There is almost no intellectual opposition here now to big government and high spending and that is a sign the end is near because there are no brakes to slow the decline. The federal government has a 22 trillion dollar deficit. It's adding a trillion a year under a Republican president and any Democrat who gets in will do the same. The Baby Boomers are all retiring and will stop paying taxes and start demanding their Social Security and Medicare. The neocons and military-industrial complex won't allow military spending cutbacks. Wall Street bankers will scream for government bailouts in the upcoming recession. Nonwhites all want their welfare because they don't want to work a job. Even many white females now want welfare because they don't want to get an education that leads to a self-supporting job or don't want to marry a provider male because even the idea of it is horrible to them.
  208. @EastKekistani
    I really don't see how the white side can lose in the New World, Australia or New Zealand. Europe is a completely different story because there are a lot of Muslims there.

    Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans. Blacks can hardly win any international war against whites or Arabs. However they are indeed very good at periodically removing foreigners from all black-supermajority territories from Haiti to Rhodesia and Uganda. Their low IQ, poor hygiene, high crime rates and brutality are factors that deter foreigners from wandering into black majority areas. They make no sense and are unpredictable which are precisely why people are scared of them. Unless we outright go Hitler it is not easy way to take over their territories permanently.

    Mestizos on the other hand are for some unknown reasons not even capable of self-governance. This is why any future North Mexico will be ruled by Anglo and Spanish whites. If mestizos had the political strength of blacks there would have been brutal anti-white insurgencies and later Haiti-style massacres almost all over Latin America (except in the far south) that could make Rhodesian Bush War look like a picnic. We don't see anything like that or even just mestizo attempts to (peacefully or not) take power on racial grounds in countries where they are a majority happening. Maybe they are indeed terminally submissive or something.

    Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans.

    Jamaica became a horrible country after the British had left. Most of the Caribbean countries were non relevant backward places until Cuba went communist and Whites begun to set up tourist resorts there. Whites are also the brains behind all the tax havens established there, which has begun in the errly 1970s in the case of the Cayman islands.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Yes, you are right. However "ability to make X a better place" and "ability to rule over X" are not the same. Blacks really suck at the former but are sufficiently competent at the latter to create Haitis and Zimbabwes. Mestizos on the other hand suck at both.
  209. @polaco

    Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans.
     
    Jamaica became a horrible country after the British had left. Most of the Caribbean countries were non relevant backward places until Cuba went communist and Whites begun to set up tourist resorts there. Whites are also the brains behind all the tax havens established there, which has begun in the errly 1970s in the case of the Cayman islands.

    Yes, you are right. However “ability to make X a better place” and “ability to rule over X” are not the same. Blacks really suck at the former but are sufficiently competent at the latter to create Haitis and Zimbabwes. Mestizos on the other hand suck at both.

  210. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    In China it would have completely opposite effects.
     
    That explains that poll, where the Chinese overwhelmingly approved of Brenton Tarrant's actions in NZ.

    If I was in charge, we would be alot more brutal along the border, trust me. But unfortunately nearly every western politician is a cuck, and the few who aren't are incompetent buffoons (Donald Trump). Orban, Salvini and Farage are perhaps some non-cucks who are also competent. One could hardly call them brutal, though.

    I always try to tell people this. Foreigners respect strength and brutality. These idiots in Canada think that, by being "extra nice" and sucking up to Muslim immigrants, they're going to integrate and love us. It's about the polar opposite from the truth. Do you notice you never see any whining from 3rd worlders when a strong, decisive white leader actually takes action? When Salvini shuts down the ports he's respected by migrants. Then they go to Germany and whine about the "alt right" because they know Germans are largely cucks.

    The only people whining about Quebec's new anti-hijab, turban and burka law are Jews and Anglos living in Quebec. Minorities in Ontario whine to the Anglo whites because they can score brownie points with them. But they respect the Franco display of strength, and will either obey the law or move to Toronto. No brown person is bitching to Francophones because they know we're strong and don't care.

    If I was in charge, we would be alot more brutal along the border, trust me. But unfortunately nearly every western politician is a cuck, and the few who aren’t are incompetent buffoons (Donald Trump). Orban, Salvini and Farage are perhaps some non-cucks who are also competent. One could hardly call them brutal, though.

    If I were in charge I would be brutal not just along the border but actually beyond it. What really is the essence of a border wall? It delays but can not reverse decline. Romans had their wall. Persians had their wall. China had a wall. So what? If you need a wall to keep less developed people out you are already no longer capable of taking over their lands.

    Foreigners respect strength and brutality.

    As I said before, this really depends on the tribe. Pastoralists and those who often fight in tribal and religious feuds such as Middle Eastern Muslims tend to not give a shit because if even ISIS can not horrify Shias enough into submission why do you think Tarrant can? Those under long traditions of Oriental Despotism and foreign rule on the other hand tend to respect only brutality and never being nice which is exactly why Kim, Xi and Rouhani are still in power. As for blacks I really don’t know. They simply don’t operate according to rationality. I don’t think white (or Arab/Persian) cultures are brutal enough to permanently occupy black areas. However…we are.

  211. @polaco

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban
     
    UFO is right: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3152185,

    All of these things you will get no matter what you do, the screws are being tightened just as they have been, gradually, for a long while. Towards the end, you should expect the final tightening down to happen suddenly, all at once, as the population becomes more agitated and grows weary of their hostile government. It is this authoritarian overreach coupled with a dire economic situation that can bring about violence as a desperate, push-back response. Alternatively, people will just passively accept their country's sliding more and more in the direction of a social-democratic state, with a totalitarian flavour.

    Demographics is key. Soon there will be no way for a true Republican to win an election, at least 30% of whites always vote Democrat, but the Republican party is the only place where you can find decent people to vote for. Many Republicans choose not to confront the status quo, when they go to Washington as the entire government bureaucracy consists of Democrats, from security guards all the way up to the highest ranking career political operators in all of the departments. They transfer your tax money to fund their friends' non-profit operations, which keep you under siege. Democrats own the media and the entire education system. Then many Republicans are outright great white traitors, like all white Democrats serving the communist agenda, with the usual suspects calling the shots. Look how powerless and outnumbered Trump is, no one person can drain the swamp by himself, if you attack one useless government branch, all others will be up in arms against you, for they expect to be next, the political machine will chew you up and spit you out, this cancer has metastasized to unbelievable proportions, encompassing the whole country: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/11/thomas-dilorenzo/rich-rulers/

    To have real change, you should start sending honest, incorruptible people to Washington, as well as elect them locally, people who would be happy with their government salaries, not susceptible to lobbying and pressure, they should have your full unwavering support, no matter how the economy goes, election after election. But this is unlikely, where to find them- there is no political solution, before too long, definitely in one generation, maybe sooner, Latin Americans will begin to elect shameless kleptocrats to your government positions, including the presidential office, things will go downhill rapidly from there. America may become a leftist, authoritarian regime, with Brazilian demographics, free government run medical care- with its unions on strike every year, free higher education, and naturally with a 25% VAT, and $8 per gallon petrol to pay for it all, and with economically crippling price increases across the board, associated with all new taxes.

    In the 1950s the US was the place to be, an economic powerhouse, as well as the freest. How could a country almost 90% white have fallen like that. You'd think by now 99% white should be the natural outcome. Everywhere you look, there is nowhere to go if you want a developed, advanced country where freedom and justice dwell, just oppressive, intrusive governments in ascend all around, where people are not seen as humans, but as gulag prisoners referred to by numbers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euDhMDDRq4

    Yes, 216 is either incredibly naive or an establishment lackey of the Republican Party. They mock you when you’re weak and hate you if you’re strong. You just make their job easier when you’re weak.

    The whole game plan is to reduce whites to a minority in their own countries. I’m not sure where it stops, if the plan is to eventually genocide or enslave us, or just to dissolve our potential power against the Jews.

    They’re turning up the heat now because they’re scared, and many white people are waking up. The cowards will scurry back into obscurity and seek for normie approval. The strong will keep advocating for their rights and to end immigration. I see the increased attacks on whites as a good thing- the closer your get to the heart of the beast, the more defenses it puts up.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    The whole game plan is to reduce whites to a minority in their own countries. I’m not sure where it stops, if the plan is to eventually genocide or enslave us, or just to dissolve our potential power against the Jews.
     
    This is a typical game under Despotism called Despot + proles against everyone in between. If there is despotism the despot does not want anyone to challenge him. How to get rid of such challenges? By weakening any powerholder who is slightly weaker than the despot partly by promising "equality" which essentially means everyone but the despot is equally a slave.

    In a world with only Jews and blacks (or mestizos, SE Asians, Pacific Islanders, Australoids etc) Jewish rule will be perpetual. It's really just that simple..

  212. @polaco

    If demographics are not addressed nothing will change.
     
    Having a family should be everyone's number one priority. If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures. The immigration issue would be a no starter. That's not to say immigration is an absolute necessity with a decreasing population, the 30 Year's War reduced the population of the various German states by 40% or more, they pulled through. I suspect a lot of Americans would rather have more strawberries, and other produce, than more immigrants to harvest them at home, imported from Mexico. Even when dealing with a substantial population of old people, caretakers could be allowed in on the basis of a very strict guest-worker policy, like allowing only people in their 40s, 50s and 60s in, for a limited number of years per person.

    Our own, conservative politician- one JKM, has been talking about it for almost 30 years now, mainly as it relates to the national pension scheme, which like everywhere else, relies on a perpetually increasing population. While at the same time, government budgets keep going up to cover the accumulating expenses, even when the population stagnates. Here's a clip of him on the Piers Morgan show:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NEqlfWSOrQ
    And here's an entertaining, yet somber take on immigration by somebody else:
    https://youtu.be/4y2B9bHijQI?t=205

    Having a family should be everyone’s number one priority.

    The main problem here are incentives.

    According to Communists everyone’s number one priority is to be selfless and contribute all one can to the communist revolution. According to Islamists everyone’s number one priority is to serve Allah. Neither really happens in practice just because one dude (including the Pope or a king) declares that people should do that.

    If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures.

    Yeppo. This explains the transition from settler colonization aka emigration to immigration.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Neither really happens in practice just because one dude (including the Pope or a king) declares that people should do that.
     
    What's necessary is a small number of people acting as role models. The ripple effect will happen quickly afterwards. 99% of childless, single, feminist "career women" contributing to the death of the white race are miserable, despite saying otherwise.

    Now, let's say such a miserable woman sees a beautiful family. A beautiful woman with a loving husband and three or more children. This is going to have an effect on her. She is going to be instantly jealous of the family woman, because deep down, she is biologically wired to desire this. If she sees enough of these people, she just might realize that she wants a husband and kids too.

    Women only follow what they think society wants from them. Most women have been brainwashed into thinking society wants sluts, instant pleasure, and strong career women. That doesn't mean they're happy. They just internalize their misery by saying it's the right thing. They will easily snap out of it in the right circumstances.

    This is where men come into play. It's the man's job to lead. If men are pumping and dumping, being single losers and not strong, loving husbands, what does that tell women? It tells her that what she's doing is right, because that's what men like and that's what society likes.

    Men absolutely have the duty to start families and be dominant, strong, and caring. Husbands have to be willing to stand up when their wife is pushing the Globohomo anti-white agenda. Any woman will melt like butter for a man who is loving, firm, strong and respectful. Any "saving" of the white race will start with white men waking up and taking charge of women.
  213. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, 216 is either incredibly naive or an establishment lackey of the Republican Party. They mock you when you're weak and hate you if you're strong. You just make their job easier when you're weak.

    The whole game plan is to reduce whites to a minority in their own countries. I'm not sure where it stops, if the plan is to eventually genocide or enslave us, or just to dissolve our potential power against the Jews.

    They're turning up the heat now because they're scared, and many white people are waking up. The cowards will scurry back into obscurity and seek for normie approval. The strong will keep advocating for their rights and to end immigration. I see the increased attacks on whites as a good thing- the closer your get to the heart of the beast, the more defenses it puts up.

    The whole game plan is to reduce whites to a minority in their own countries. I’m not sure where it stops, if the plan is to eventually genocide or enslave us, or just to dissolve our potential power against the Jews.

    This is a typical game under Despotism called Despot + proles against everyone in between. If there is despotism the despot does not want anyone to challenge him. How to get rid of such challenges? By weakening any powerholder who is slightly weaker than the despot partly by promising “equality” which essentially means everyone but the despot is equally a slave.

    In a world with only Jews and blacks (or mestizos, SE Asians, Pacific Islanders, Australoids etc) Jewish rule will be perpetual. It’s really just that simple..

  214. @EastKekistani

    Having a family should be everyone’s number one priority.
     
    The main problem here are incentives.

    According to Communists everyone's number one priority is to be selfless and contribute all one can to the communist revolution. According to Islamists everyone's number one priority is to serve Allah. Neither really happens in practice just because one dude (including the Pope or a king) declares that people should do that.

    If people had more kids, not only could politicians not advocate for more immigration but whites would likely be leaving their countries for foreign lands, due to internal pressures.
     
    Yeppo. This explains the transition from settler colonization aka emigration to immigration.

    Neither really happens in practice just because one dude (including the Pope or a king) declares that people should do that.

    What’s necessary is a small number of people acting as role models. The ripple effect will happen quickly afterwards. 99% of childless, single, feminist “career women” contributing to the death of the white race are miserable, despite saying otherwise.

    Now, let’s say such a miserable woman sees a beautiful family. A beautiful woman with a loving husband and three or more children. This is going to have an effect on her. She is going to be instantly jealous of the family woman, because deep down, she is biologically wired to desire this. If she sees enough of these people, she just might realize that she wants a husband and kids too.

    Women only follow what they think society wants from them. Most women have been brainwashed into thinking society wants sluts, instant pleasure, and strong career women. That doesn’t mean they’re happy. They just internalize their misery by saying it’s the right thing. They will easily snap out of it in the right circumstances.

    This is where men come into play. It’s the man’s job to lead. If men are pumping and dumping, being single losers and not strong, loving husbands, what does that tell women? It tells her that what she’s doing is right, because that’s what men like and that’s what society likes.

    Men absolutely have the duty to start families and be dominant, strong, and caring. Husbands have to be willing to stand up when their wife is pushing the Globohomo anti-white agenda. Any woman will melt like butter for a man who is loving, firm, strong and respectful. Any “saving” of the white race will start with white men waking up and taking charge of women.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    By the way, this is why (as of 2014), white conservatives had a TFR of 1.97, while white liberals were down at 1.38. Here is a sample of the cohort sizes of each generation (assuming constant TFR and every kid inherits their parent's ideology)

    Liberal: 500,000 --> 328,500 --> 215,824
    Conser: 500,000 --> 469,000 --> 439,922

    Goes from 1:1 to 2:1 in favour of conservatives in 2 generations. Add in younger mean age at birth and it will happen much sooner.

    Clearly, when men are strong and take charge, white children are born. When men wilt under their wife's dog mom tendencies and agree to get a vasectomy to stay childfree, white children aren't being born.
    , @EastKekistani
    Yep. This is not an area where Machiavellian thinkers like me can help simply because we inherently have the tendency to ruin social unity. Instead you want religious authorities (that's right, not intellectuals, Thomas Aquinas and other Christian philosophers could not have helped because they were/are intellectuals with little soft power in the community) and enforcers to help. You want a model that is more flexible than Islam but still has enough soft power to control behaviors of many people.

    Good luck!

  215. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Neither really happens in practice just because one dude (including the Pope or a king) declares that people should do that.
     
    What's necessary is a small number of people acting as role models. The ripple effect will happen quickly afterwards. 99% of childless, single, feminist "career women" contributing to the death of the white race are miserable, despite saying otherwise.

    Now, let's say such a miserable woman sees a beautiful family. A beautiful woman with a loving husband and three or more children. This is going to have an effect on her. She is going to be instantly jealous of the family woman, because deep down, she is biologically wired to desire this. If she sees enough of these people, she just might realize that she wants a husband and kids too.

    Women only follow what they think society wants from them. Most women have been brainwashed into thinking society wants sluts, instant pleasure, and strong career women. That doesn't mean they're happy. They just internalize their misery by saying it's the right thing. They will easily snap out of it in the right circumstances.

    This is where men come into play. It's the man's job to lead. If men are pumping and dumping, being single losers and not strong, loving husbands, what does that tell women? It tells her that what she's doing is right, because that's what men like and that's what society likes.

    Men absolutely have the duty to start families and be dominant, strong, and caring. Husbands have to be willing to stand up when their wife is pushing the Globohomo anti-white agenda. Any woman will melt like butter for a man who is loving, firm, strong and respectful. Any "saving" of the white race will start with white men waking up and taking charge of women.

    By the way, this is why (as of 2014), white conservatives had a TFR of 1.97, while white liberals were down at 1.38. Here is a sample of the cohort sizes of each generation (assuming constant TFR and every kid inherits their parent’s ideology)

    Liberal: 500,000 –> 328,500 –> 215,824
    Conser: 500,000 –> 469,000 –> 439,922

    Goes from 1:1 to 2:1 in favour of conservatives in 2 generations. Add in younger mean age at birth and it will happen much sooner.

    Clearly, when men are strong and take charge, white children are born. When men wilt under their wife’s dog mom tendencies and agree to get a vasectomy to stay childfree, white children aren’t being born.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Maybe, though for as long as we've had data to track it, the religious have outbred the irreligious, yet the US is less religious than it ever has been. Culture matters, too.
  216. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Insisting that leftist universities and municipalities allow us to hold invasive demonstrations because of “muh rights”, is a fools errand of legalistic autism.
     
    Uhh, "muh" rights are pretty damn important. The right to free speech and assembly is given by the 1st amendment to the constitution. That applies *anywhere* in the USA.

    Illegal immigration, or any immigration to the USA at all, is not a right. Big difference.

    You sound like a perfect fit for the Yeb! campaign team.

    Just don't offend anybody, and they'll listen to us!

    The only way to punish the city for “violating rights” would have been for the federal DOJ to file a lawsuit against the city, and to indict the Mayor, Chief and Gov. McAuliffe. The people of VA indicated their approval of McAuliffe’s actions by electing Northam as his successor, so this would have been seen as a partisan prosecution and an attempt to overturn an election.

    Only a truly reckless admin would have done this, and certain impeachment/coup would have been the result.

    Perhaps you think that would have been a good thing as it may have accelerated into a civil war.

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The "approval" of deranged leftists and swamp employees in Virginia makes no difference to the Constitution.

    1st Amendment States:


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
     
    This is applicable to *all* citizens of the USA, in *any* location. Red state blue state urban rural. Doesn't matter whether or not 55% of the states' residents agree with the speech.

    You're scared of the left. If they try to start of civil war because the government has chosen to uphold the FIRST Amendment to the Constitution, then so be it, and it shows they're nutcases. Trump cucked by not doing this, but if it saved him from impeachment I guess it makes sense.


    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.
     
    I don't know where you're getting this, all I was saying was that if white men have nothing left to lose they will most likely get violent. It applies to any group of people. Basic laws of nature.
    , @polaco

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.
     
    Where did you pull that one out? Terrorism comes from the political left. 'They' encourage and excuse real violence, and relentless domestic terrorism against Whites all the time, read Paul Kersey's blog for a change. Where do you draw the line? What is enough for you? Should Americans go down peaceful, with smiles on their faces, like docile sheep to slaughter? You're fine with that, that's where 'they' want you to be.
  217. @216
    The only way to punish the city for "violating rights" would have been for the federal DOJ to file a lawsuit against the city, and to indict the Mayor, Chief and Gov. McAuliffe. The people of VA indicated their approval of McAuliffe's actions by electing Northam as his successor, so this would have been seen as a partisan prosecution and an attempt to overturn an election.

    Only a truly reckless admin would have done this, and certain impeachment/coup would have been the result.

    Perhaps you think that would have been a good thing as it may have accelerated into a civil war.

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than "offending people".

    The “approval” of deranged leftists and swamp employees in Virginia makes no difference to the Constitution.

    1st Amendment States:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    This is applicable to *all* citizens of the USA, in *any* location. Red state blue state urban rural. Doesn’t matter whether or not 55% of the states’ residents agree with the speech.

    You’re scared of the left. If they try to start of civil war because the government has chosen to uphold the FIRST Amendment to the Constitution, then so be it, and it shows they’re nutcases. Trump cucked by not doing this, but if it saved him from impeachment I guess it makes sense.

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.

    I don’t know where you’re getting this, all I was saying was that if white men have nothing left to lose they will most likely get violent. It applies to any group of people. Basic laws of nature.

    • Replies: @216
    Kessler/Spencer won in court, the city sued to block the march.

    That didn't matter.

    You’re scared of the left.
     
    A well founded fear. They won the elections in Virginia, and evicted Rep. Dave Brat from the House. Elections, if nothing else, are an exercise in power demonstration.

    We lost:
    -The presence of Steve Bannon in the White House
    -The '17 elections for Virginia Gov, Lt. Gov, AG
    -A literal coin flip from losing control of the state legislature
    -A presence on Big Social
    -The '18 election for Senate, and 3 House seats

    How many left-liberals are you ever going to convince that "Nazis have rights, too?"
  218. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Neither really happens in practice just because one dude (including the Pope or a king) declares that people should do that.
     
    What's necessary is a small number of people acting as role models. The ripple effect will happen quickly afterwards. 99% of childless, single, feminist "career women" contributing to the death of the white race are miserable, despite saying otherwise.

    Now, let's say such a miserable woman sees a beautiful family. A beautiful woman with a loving husband and three or more children. This is going to have an effect on her. She is going to be instantly jealous of the family woman, because deep down, she is biologically wired to desire this. If she sees enough of these people, she just might realize that she wants a husband and kids too.

    Women only follow what they think society wants from them. Most women have been brainwashed into thinking society wants sluts, instant pleasure, and strong career women. That doesn't mean they're happy. They just internalize their misery by saying it's the right thing. They will easily snap out of it in the right circumstances.

    This is where men come into play. It's the man's job to lead. If men are pumping and dumping, being single losers and not strong, loving husbands, what does that tell women? It tells her that what she's doing is right, because that's what men like and that's what society likes.

    Men absolutely have the duty to start families and be dominant, strong, and caring. Husbands have to be willing to stand up when their wife is pushing the Globohomo anti-white agenda. Any woman will melt like butter for a man who is loving, firm, strong and respectful. Any "saving" of the white race will start with white men waking up and taking charge of women.

    Yep. This is not an area where Machiavellian thinkers like me can help simply because we inherently have the tendency to ruin social unity. Instead you want religious authorities (that’s right, not intellectuals, Thomas Aquinas and other Christian philosophers could not have helped because they were/are intellectuals with little soft power in the community) and enforcers to help. You want a model that is more flexible than Islam but still has enough soft power to control behaviors of many people.

    Good luck!

  219. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The "approval" of deranged leftists and swamp employees in Virginia makes no difference to the Constitution.

    1st Amendment States:


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
     
    This is applicable to *all* citizens of the USA, in *any* location. Red state blue state urban rural. Doesn't matter whether or not 55% of the states' residents agree with the speech.

    You're scared of the left. If they try to start of civil war because the government has chosen to uphold the FIRST Amendment to the Constitution, then so be it, and it shows they're nutcases. Trump cucked by not doing this, but if it saved him from impeachment I guess it makes sense.


    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.
     
    I don't know where you're getting this, all I was saying was that if white men have nothing left to lose they will most likely get violent. It applies to any group of people. Basic laws of nature.

    Kessler/Spencer won in court, the city sued to block the march.

    That didn’t matter.

    You’re scared of the left.

    A well founded fear. They won the elections in Virginia, and evicted Rep. Dave Brat from the House. Elections, if nothing else, are an exercise in power demonstration.

    We lost:
    -The presence of Steve Bannon in the White House
    -The ’17 elections for Virginia Gov, Lt. Gov, AG
    -A literal coin flip from losing control of the state legislature
    -A presence on Big Social
    -The ’18 election for Senate, and 3 House seats

    How many left-liberals are you ever going to convince that “Nazis have rights, too?”

  220. @216
    The only way to punish the city for "violating rights" would have been for the federal DOJ to file a lawsuit against the city, and to indict the Mayor, Chief and Gov. McAuliffe. The people of VA indicated their approval of McAuliffe's actions by electing Northam as his successor, so this would have been seen as a partisan prosecution and an attempt to overturn an election.

    Only a truly reckless admin would have done this, and certain impeachment/coup would have been the result.

    Perhaps you think that would have been a good thing as it may have accelerated into a civil war.

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than "offending people".

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.

    Where did you pull that one out? Terrorism comes from the political left. ‘They’ encourage and excuse real violence, and relentless domestic terrorism against Whites all the time, read Paul Kersey’s blog for a change. Where do you draw the line? What is enough for you? Should Americans go down peaceful, with smiles on their faces, like docile sheep to slaughter? You’re fine with that, that’s where ‘they’ want you to be.

    • Replies: @216
    I understand that I'm pushing people's buttons here, but rioting (yes, far-right people came to Charlottesville to riot) is not a civilized response to statue removal. We've managed to establish a consensus that optics matter, but you and others still want to think moderates would/should get outraged when the rights of Neo-Nazi protestors are violated. It doesn't work that way, and complaining about double standards is unhelpful, as nothing changes.

    If people dislike the removal, they could have encouraged a boycott of travel to the city. But that requires actual boring work, and dragging BoomerDad away from sitting back and grilling.

    We behave badly, we get punished.
  221. @polaco

    Apologia for domestic terrorism is a bit more than “offending people”.
     
    Where did you pull that one out? Terrorism comes from the political left. 'They' encourage and excuse real violence, and relentless domestic terrorism against Whites all the time, read Paul Kersey's blog for a change. Where do you draw the line? What is enough for you? Should Americans go down peaceful, with smiles on their faces, like docile sheep to slaughter? You're fine with that, that's where 'they' want you to be.

    I understand that I’m pushing people’s buttons here, but rioting (yes, far-right people came to Charlottesville to riot) is not a civilized response to statue removal. We’ve managed to establish a consensus that optics matter, but you and others still want to think moderates would/should get outraged when the rights of Neo-Nazi protestors are violated. It doesn’t work that way, and complaining about double standards is unhelpful, as nothing changes.

    If people dislike the removal, they could have encouraged a boycott of travel to the city. But that requires actual boring work, and dragging BoomerDad away from sitting back and grilling.

    We behave badly, we get punished.

    • Replies: @polaco
    Why use words from the Wiesenthal Center / SPLC's dictionary. Unless someone calls himself a Neo-Nazi, he's not. Violence and rioting is always initiated by the loony Democrats- deployed and paid for by the party affiliated non-profit networks. They could be sending them to people's homes, businesses and workplaces, for manufactured reasons, if there are no large rallies held. Everybody ought to be shocked and distrustful of a government that applies laws selectively.

    Our consensus is that 'their' communist steamroller will squash moderates even as they're sitting on their hands., that they're just cucks by a different name, and should be educated to pay attention, and not wait until they feel the pain themselves. I'm more of an old right, socially conservative type of a person, the Alt-Right types are just a curiosity to me, but they're out there and people can see that not everybody approves of the Democrats' culture wars, and definitely they should pick their battles. Moderates should not be outraged, but at least quietly approve of someone who's at least nominally on their side. And have an unapologetic attitude. Your character and philosophical foundation should be shaped at home, if circumstances require it, you should really be a different person in public than at home and when among your own people. I detest the term moderate, what is it, you just basically don't care, so at least don't vote, how can the moderate stance be taken on anything- I'm a moderate businessman/ worker/husband/student, you should always give it your all, you're either with us or against us, they're the people who will feed and house the enemy when he comes to their house amidst a civil war, instead of killing him, even when it's safe to do so.

    I doubt anything of this sort will materialize, but they way I would do it, there should be new monuments built on home turf. And people should start networking quietly, create secretive clubs and organizations, their own alternative, parallel societies- like the Afrikaner Broederbond for example, private scout movements headed by retired SAS types, to educate the youth to be proud of their culture, and heritage. Guard against government infiltration, while infiltrating and spying on the government. Conservatives should start banishing leftist affiliated businesses from their home ground, the way Democrats do it, or better yet- boycott them quietly and routinely, while patronizing their own. Jews condemn violence against Arabs publicly and pat themselves on their backs privately.

  222. @polaco

    Any violent reaction in a Western country will mean at a minimum:

    -A PRC-style social credit system
    -Increased surveillance
    -Increased police/intelligence budgets
    -Total firearms bans
    -Drone strikes on domestic soil
    -Severe regulation of homeschooling, if not a total ban
     
    UFO is right: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/for-the-record/#comment-3152185,

    All of these things you will get no matter what you do, the screws are being tightened just as they have been, gradually, for a long while. Towards the end, you should expect the final tightening down to happen suddenly, all at once, as the population becomes more agitated and grows weary of their hostile government. It is this authoritarian overreach coupled with a dire economic situation that can bring about violence as a desperate, push-back response. Alternatively, people will just passively accept their country's sliding more and more in the direction of a social-democratic state, with a totalitarian flavour.

    Demographics is key. Soon there will be no way for a true Republican to win an election, at least 30% of whites always vote Democrat, but the Republican party is the only place where you can find decent people to vote for. Many Republicans choose not to confront the status quo, when they go to Washington as the entire government bureaucracy consists of Democrats, from security guards all the way up to the highest ranking career political operators in all of the departments. They transfer your tax money to fund their friends' non-profit operations, which keep you under siege. Democrats own the media and the entire education system. Then many Republicans are outright great white traitors, like all white Democrats serving the communist agenda, with the usual suspects calling the shots. Look how powerless and outnumbered Trump is, no one person can drain the swamp by himself, if you attack one useless government branch, all others will be up in arms against you, for they expect to be next, the political machine will chew you up and spit you out, this cancer has metastasized to unbelievable proportions, encompassing the whole country: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/11/thomas-dilorenzo/rich-rulers/

    To have real change, you should start sending honest, incorruptible people to Washington, as well as elect them locally, people who would be happy with their government salaries, not susceptible to lobbying and pressure, they should have your full unwavering support, no matter how the economy goes, election after election. But this is unlikely, where to find them- there is no political solution, before too long, definitely in one generation, maybe sooner, Latin Americans will begin to elect shameless kleptocrats to your government positions, including the presidential office, things will go downhill rapidly from there. America may become a leftist, authoritarian regime, with Brazilian demographics, free government run medical care- with its unions on strike every year, free higher education, and naturally with a 25% VAT, and $8 per gallon petrol to pay for it all, and with economically crippling price increases across the board, associated with all new taxes.

    In the 1950s the US was the place to be, an economic powerhouse, as well as the freest. How could a country almost 90% white have fallen like that. You'd think by now 99% white should be the natural outcome. Everywhere you look, there is nowhere to go if you want a developed, advanced country where freedom and justice dwell, just oppressive, intrusive governments in ascend all around, where people are not seen as humans, but as gulag prisoners referred to by numbers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_euDhMDDRq4

    At some point there will be a reversal of the current situation in the U.S. That point will be when the number of taxpayers are outnumbered by the tax eaters. The number of productive people in the U.S. has been steadily declining. That happened in the Soviet Union and when the crackup came it was very sudden and unexpected. China also ran into the same problem and had to change course. There is almost no intellectual opposition here now to big government and high spending and that is a sign the end is near because there are no brakes to slow the decline. The federal government has a 22 trillion dollar deficit. It’s adding a trillion a year under a Republican president and any Democrat who gets in will do the same. The Baby Boomers are all retiring and will stop paying taxes and start demanding their Social Security and Medicare. The neocons and military-industrial complex won’t allow military spending cutbacks. Wall Street bankers will scream for government bailouts in the upcoming recession. Nonwhites all want their welfare because they don’t want to work a job. Even many white females now want welfare because they don’t want to get an education that leads to a self-supporting job or don’t want to marry a provider male because even the idea of it is horrible to them.

  223. @216

    If you think the residents of Cville are owed an apology then it should come from their own corrupt officials and not the UtR event organizers and rally goers as they were following every law and rule that was laid down by the city. But the residents of Cville voted for this SJW and anti-white freakshow so they really aren’t owed anything.
     
    I disagree, whether we like it or not, the residents are entitled to self-determination. It is my opinion that we should respect this, and practice non-interference in what ought to be considered local politics.

    Our message is clear that we consider illegal migration to be unwelcome, and that the moral thing for illegals to do is pack up and leave, and for future migrants to not come at all.

    We don't practice what we preach. Insisting that leftist universities and municipalities allow us to hold invasive demonstrations because of "muh rights", is a fools errand of legalistic autism.

    I disagree, whether we like it or not, the residents are entitled to self-determination. It is my opinion that we should respect this, and practice non-interference in what ought to be considered local politics.

    That’s one way of looking at things but municipalities like Cville don’t get to arbitrarily and unilaterally nullify the Constitution which is what they did. Remember that the deep south got into big, big trouble for doing to black civil rights protestors what Cville just did to pro-whites at UtR.

    Cville brought this upon themselves by proposing to tear down confederate statues. Cville has moved so far to the left that it’s not even an American city anymore and should be reconquered.

    When right leaning cities are allowed to tear down statues MLK and other civil rights plastic gods and deny permits to BLM and other left wing groups then maybe I’ll reconsider self determination for cities.

    • Replies: @216

    That’s one way of looking at things but municipalities like Cville don’t get to arbitrarily and unilaterally nullify the Constitution which is what they did.
     
    If a civil lawsuit is unsucessful, and I presume if they were filed, they were; then yes they can get away with it.

    Consider Portland, OR. The far-left and far-right have had many street battles since 2016. The Mayor, Ted Wheeler, was continuously ripped for being too soft on the far-right, and has said he probably won't run for re-election, to spare the indignity of a primary loss to a further left candidate.

    That's what will happen to any leftist mayor that is "too soft". DSA is ready and willing to organize against them.

    The Administration is not going to squander political capital defending far-right demonstrators. We can argue "should" all we want, but the reality is "won't".

    Remember that the deep south got into big, big trouble for doing to black civil rights protestors what Cville just did to pro-whites at UtR.
     
    The judiciary was full of white New Dealers dedicated to "fair play" at that time. Now it is full of "law and order" FedSoc types, and critical theory leftists. Neither group is going to look kindly on "Bigot's Rights".
  224. @Audacious Epigone
    The consequent states won't be ethnostates. They breakup is far more likely to be along current political lines.

    The consequent states won’t be ethnostates. They breakup is far more likely to be along current political lines.

    Which gives us ethnostates. Republican derive 80% of their votes from whites, so one possible ethnostate would be comprised of 80% whites and the 20% of non-whites who don’t hate whites or America and have essentially the same political outlook.

    Blacks vote 88-95% for Democrats so there’s another ethnostate and hispanics vote 66-72% for Dems.

    But then the white leftists left behind in majority non-white ethnostates won’t like being a despised minority contrary to what they claim nor will they last long. So will seek entry into the 80% white ethnostate, but the door will hopefully be closed for them and they will reap what they’ve sown.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Heh, but neither of those are ethnostates. And lots of white leftists already live in majority non-white urban areas. Yes, they self-segregate enormously, of course, but they live there and many of them would continue to do so.
  225. @iffen
    Maybe it is a missing financial foundation.

    I believe the answer is, somewhere, within that comment.

    Which, itself, tells a lot about “us” and, really important, the (quite likely) near future.

    A smart man simply has to take that onboard and act accordingly.

  226. @KenH

    I disagree, whether we like it or not, the residents are entitled to self-determination. It is my opinion that we should respect this, and practice non-interference in what ought to be considered local politics.
     
    That's one way of looking at things but municipalities like Cville don't get to arbitrarily and unilaterally nullify the Constitution which is what they did. Remember that the deep south got into big, big trouble for doing to black civil rights protestors what Cville just did to pro-whites at UtR.

    Cville brought this upon themselves by proposing to tear down confederate statues. Cville has moved so far to the left that it's not even an American city anymore and should be reconquered.

    When right leaning cities are allowed to tear down statues MLK and other civil rights plastic gods and deny permits to BLM and other left wing groups then maybe I'll reconsider self determination for cities.

    That’s one way of looking at things but municipalities like Cville don’t get to arbitrarily and unilaterally nullify the Constitution which is what they did.

    If a civil lawsuit is unsucessful, and I presume if they were filed, they were; then yes they can get away with it.

    Consider Portland, OR. The far-left and far-right have had many street battles since 2016. The Mayor, Ted Wheeler, was continuously ripped for being too soft on the far-right, and has said he probably won’t run for re-election, to spare the indignity of a primary loss to a further left candidate.

    That’s what will happen to any leftist mayor that is “too soft”. DSA is ready and willing to organize against them.

    The Administration is not going to squander political capital defending far-right demonstrators. We can argue “should” all we want, but the reality is “won’t”.

    Remember that the deep south got into big, big trouble for doing to black civil rights protestors what Cville just did to pro-whites at UtR.

    The judiciary was full of white New Dealers dedicated to “fair play” at that time. Now it is full of “law and order” FedSoc types, and critical theory leftists. Neither group is going to look kindly on “Bigot’s Rights”.

    • Replies: @KenH

    If a civil lawsuit is unsuccessful, and I presume if they were filed, they were; then yes they can get away with it.
     
    I think one or more has been filed but don't know where things are at. Any honest judge would rule in favor of the UtR plaintiffs based on the merits of the case, but the judiciary if full of political activists and ideologues and affirmative action appointees these days. There are no shades of gray in this case and Cville clearly acted in bad faith which you're arguing is "self determination". So even if a court ruled against the plaintiffs that isn't the last word on the matter.

    The Administration is not going to squander political capital defending far-right demonstrators. We can argue “should” all we want, but the reality is “won’t”.
     
    Fine. Then the Constitution is a dead letter and cities controlled by the right of center can discriminate against antifa and other left wing groups and sic right wing ruffians on them. If cities controlled by the left wing get to make up their own rules and discriminate then so can right wing cities, so welcome to banana republic USA.

    Neither group is going to look kindly on “Bigot’s Rights”.
     
    Then they are nullifying the Brandenburg V Ohio decision since this is a first amendment issue. There is no asterisk next to the first amendment that allows mayors and judges to arbitrarily narrow the scope for "bigots".

    If judges are now just brigands who think they decide which groups have Constitutional rights and which do not then we've crossed the rubicon and pro-whites and people with right of center politics reserve the right to use lethal force against those responsible for this state of affairs of unequal justice.
  227. @Talha
    They failed to plan thus they planned to fail.

    Completely irresponsible behavior, they screwed their own movement to appease their egos in wanting to get ahead of the crowd and become the visible leaders.

    Peace.

    Exactly how did they fail to plan? I don’t see how anyone could have anticipated the flagrant civil rights violations that Cville committed against the LEGAL UtR protestors.

    The only mistake was probably not keeping a tighter lid on attendees as it appears a few paid infiltrators showed up with swastika flags. But even if those guys didn’t show up things would still have played out badly owing to the city’s decision to “let them fight” so they could declare an unlawful assembly.

    There’s definitely some egos in the alt-right but again those really didn’t come into play until after the rally and the finger pointing started.

    • Replies: @216
    DC prosecutors threw the cases against the DisruptJ20 Antifa rioters.

    Attacks on Trump campaign rallies didn't result in mass arrests of leftist rioters.

    The city was expecting to prevent the rally via court actions, and lost. So they were not prepared, to say the least.

    Far fewer demonstrators showed up than expected, due to Airbnb bans, and fear of counter-protestors. The organizers had the option to cancel the rally, after pulling off the torch parade surprise the night prior.
  228. @KenH
    Exactly how did they fail to plan? I don't see how anyone could have anticipated the flagrant civil rights violations that Cville committed against the LEGAL UtR protestors.

    The only mistake was probably not keeping a tighter lid on attendees as it appears a few paid infiltrators showed up with swastika flags. But even if those guys didn't show up things would still have played out badly owing to the city's decision to "let them fight" so they could declare an unlawful assembly.

    There's definitely some egos in the alt-right but again those really didn't come into play until after the rally and the finger pointing started.

    DC prosecutors threw the cases against the DisruptJ20 Antifa rioters.

    Attacks on Trump campaign rallies didn’t result in mass arrests of leftist rioters.

    The city was expecting to prevent the rally via court actions, and lost. So they were not prepared, to say the least.

    Far fewer demonstrators showed up than expected, due to Airbnb bans, and fear of counter-protestors. The organizers had the option to cancel the rally, after pulling off the torch parade surprise the night prior.

    • Replies: @KenH

    DC prosecutors threw the cases against the DisruptJ20 Antifa rioters.
     
    If you're referring to the mayhem by antifa on inauguration day 2016 then yes, "conservative" Jeff Sessions' DOJ dropped all charges against the protestors. They would not have dropped any charges if right wing groups destroyed property, attacked police and set cars on fire.

    Attacks on Trump campaign rallies didn’t result in mass arrests of leftist rioters.
     
    It definitely resulted in arrests but that was dependent upon location (location, location, location). The Hispanic mayor of left wing San Jose is another thug who herded Trump supporters through a gauntlet of violent leftists then told his police to stand down while Trump supporters were getting attacked.

    The city was expecting to prevent the rally via court actions, and lost. So they were not prepared, to say the least.
     
    That's not really true because the KKK held a successful rally in Cville several months prior and when the counter protestors attempted to attack KKK members the police quickly intervened and arrested them and sometimes got physical. They did their job and enforced the law and the rally was a success. But as a result the city was being sued for "police brutality" which does offer a partial explanation of why they were tentative at the UtR rally.
  229. @216

    That’s one way of looking at things but municipalities like Cville don’t get to arbitrarily and unilaterally nullify the Constitution which is what they did.
     
    If a civil lawsuit is unsucessful, and I presume if they were filed, they were; then yes they can get away with it.

    Consider Portland, OR. The far-left and far-right have had many street battles since 2016. The Mayor, Ted Wheeler, was continuously ripped for being too soft on the far-right, and has said he probably won't run for re-election, to spare the indignity of a primary loss to a further left candidate.

    That's what will happen to any leftist mayor that is "too soft". DSA is ready and willing to organize against them.

    The Administration is not going to squander political capital defending far-right demonstrators. We can argue "should" all we want, but the reality is "won't".

    Remember that the deep south got into big, big trouble for doing to black civil rights protestors what Cville just did to pro-whites at UtR.
     
    The judiciary was full of white New Dealers dedicated to "fair play" at that time. Now it is full of "law and order" FedSoc types, and critical theory leftists. Neither group is going to look kindly on "Bigot's Rights".

    If a civil lawsuit is unsuccessful, and I presume if they were filed, they were; then yes they can get away with it.

    I think one or more has been filed but don’t know where things are at. Any honest judge would rule in favor of the UtR plaintiffs based on the merits of the case, but the judiciary if full of political activists and ideologues and affirmative action appointees these days. There are no shades of gray in this case and Cville clearly acted in bad faith which you’re arguing is “self determination”. So even if a court ruled against the plaintiffs that isn’t the last word on the matter.

    The Administration is not going to squander political capital defending far-right demonstrators. We can argue “should” all we want, but the reality is “won’t”.

    Fine. Then the Constitution is a dead letter and cities controlled by the right of center can discriminate against antifa and other left wing groups and sic right wing ruffians on them. If cities controlled by the left wing get to make up their own rules and discriminate then so can right wing cities, so welcome to banana republic USA.

    Neither group is going to look kindly on “Bigot’s Rights”.

    Then they are nullifying the Brandenburg V Ohio decision since this is a first amendment issue. There is no asterisk next to the first amendment that allows mayors and judges to arbitrarily narrow the scope for “bigots”.

    If judges are now just brigands who think they decide which groups have Constitutional rights and which do not then we’ve crossed the rubicon and pro-whites and people with right of center politics reserve the right to use lethal force against those responsible for this state of affairs of unequal justice.

  230. @216
    DC prosecutors threw the cases against the DisruptJ20 Antifa rioters.

    Attacks on Trump campaign rallies didn't result in mass arrests of leftist rioters.

    The city was expecting to prevent the rally via court actions, and lost. So they were not prepared, to say the least.

    Far fewer demonstrators showed up than expected, due to Airbnb bans, and fear of counter-protestors. The organizers had the option to cancel the rally, after pulling off the torch parade surprise the night prior.

    DC prosecutors threw the cases against the DisruptJ20 Antifa rioters.

    If you’re referring to the mayhem by antifa on inauguration day 2016 then yes, “conservative” Jeff Sessions’ DOJ dropped all charges against the protestors. They would not have dropped any charges if right wing groups destroyed property, attacked police and set cars on fire.

    Attacks on Trump campaign rallies didn’t result in mass arrests of leftist rioters.

    It definitely resulted in arrests but that was dependent upon location (location, location, location). The Hispanic mayor of left wing San Jose is another thug who herded Trump supporters through a gauntlet of violent leftists then told his police to stand down while Trump supporters were getting attacked.

    The city was expecting to prevent the rally via court actions, and lost. So they were not prepared, to say the least.

    That’s not really true because the KKK held a successful rally in Cville several months prior and when the counter protestors attempted to attack KKK members the police quickly intervened and arrested them and sometimes got physical. They did their job and enforced the law and the rally was a success. But as a result the city was being sued for “police brutality” which does offer a partial explanation of why they were tentative at the UtR rally.

    • Replies: @216

    If you’re referring to the mayhem by antifa on inauguration day 2016 then yes, “conservative” Jeff Sessions’ DOJ dropped all charges against the protestors. They would not have dropped any charges if right wing groups destroyed property, attacked police and set cars on fire.
     
    Crimes committed in the District that are not "federal crimes" are prosecuted by the elected DC Attorney General in the Superior Court, not the appointed US Attorney in Federal District Court.

    KKK held a successful rally
     
    lol
  231. @KenH

    DC prosecutors threw the cases against the DisruptJ20 Antifa rioters.
     
    If you're referring to the mayhem by antifa on inauguration day 2016 then yes, "conservative" Jeff Sessions' DOJ dropped all charges against the protestors. They would not have dropped any charges if right wing groups destroyed property, attacked police and set cars on fire.

    Attacks on Trump campaign rallies didn’t result in mass arrests of leftist rioters.
     
    It definitely resulted in arrests but that was dependent upon location (location, location, location). The Hispanic mayor of left wing San Jose is another thug who herded Trump supporters through a gauntlet of violent leftists then told his police to stand down while Trump supporters were getting attacked.

    The city was expecting to prevent the rally via court actions, and lost. So they were not prepared, to say the least.
     
    That's not really true because the KKK held a successful rally in Cville several months prior and when the counter protestors attempted to attack KKK members the police quickly intervened and arrested them and sometimes got physical. They did their job and enforced the law and the rally was a success. But as a result the city was being sued for "police brutality" which does offer a partial explanation of why they were tentative at the UtR rally.

    If you’re referring to the mayhem by antifa on inauguration day 2016 then yes, “conservative” Jeff Sessions’ DOJ dropped all charges against the protestors. They would not have dropped any charges if right wing groups destroyed property, attacked police and set cars on fire.

    Crimes committed in the District that are not “federal crimes” are prosecuted by the elected DC Attorney General in the Superior Court, not the appointed US Attorney in Federal District Court.

    KKK held a successful rally

    lol

  232. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I'm pretty surprised that the "alt right" has managed to even still exist after that debacle. In the days after Charlottesville, I thought everyone was going to cuck, and that we were going to return to pre-2016 politics.

    I think Trump may have saved the day with his (truthful) "good people on both sides" comment. Gave us just enough wind to keep going.

    I wish Charlottesville never happened. But it also hasn't been the death blow that McAuliffe and other had hoped for.

    “Alt right” has become a term of derision. The vast majority of the time it is used now it is to label people as alt right who emphatically deny being alt right (Ben Shapiro, Paul Joseph Watson, etc).

  233. @Rosie

    Charlottesville was a total failure, and no one has ever apologized to both those doxxed, and the residents who had their lives disrupted and their city’s reputation damaged.
     
    Isn't that a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking? I'm not a strategist, so I don't have a strong opinion either way. It just seems like UTR didn't become self-evidently idiotic until after the fact.

    216 is correct about going to uber-leftist places like Berkeley and C’Ville. There’s nothing like a ‘silent majority’ passively supporting things they feel are extreme but not existentially threatening in cities like that. It’s all hostility everywhere from everyone.

  234. @EastKekistani

    Not surprising given China’s history. Here, there’s Christianity you gotta deal with.
     
    Yep. There is only one real rule in China: There are no other rules at all. This is why even ex-beggar cannibal bandits such as Zhu Yuanzhang could actually become the Emperor. Where is legitimacy? Well everybody could bend rules about it to accommodate anyone and everyone including even Zhu and Mongol/Manchu invaders too. Right now due to commies there is not even any nominal legitimacy any more... It is completely Hobbesian. There is literally no reason why Xi instead of you, Ron Unz, Steve Tsu, President Trump or I should be the ruler of China. If you literally kill enough people and defeat the commie troops you can become the ruler of China too. But since nobody really has any legitimacy nobody will really care enough to defend you at any cost if people want to overthrow you either.

    This kind of thing is asking Christians to pick sides. Stupid move.
     
    Right. They will probably pick religion.

    Probably? There’s no question about it. Attacking people who have roots going back centuries in the most unobjectionable place large groups of blacks gather is despicable (and obviously counterproductive).

    • Replies: @Talha
    I mean think about it if the perpetrator is actually the son of a local deputy. I mean, you’re talking Mississippi Burning type imagery here. Who are these fools?

    Incidentally, the term that is starting to be thrown around for this archetype from our community is incelQaida. Once this guy’s profile starts coming out, I can almost guarantee you’ll see the; “He was a bit of a loner, tough time getting dates...video games...”

    Peace.
  235. @EastKekistani
    I really don't see how the white side can lose in the New World, Australia or New Zealand. Europe is a completely different story because there are a lot of Muslims there.

    Ironically the only non-white race in the New World that can actually govern territories are blacks which they are already doing in the Caribbeans. Blacks can hardly win any international war against whites or Arabs. However they are indeed very good at periodically removing foreigners from all black-supermajority territories from Haiti to Rhodesia and Uganda. Their low IQ, poor hygiene, high crime rates and brutality are factors that deter foreigners from wandering into black majority areas. They make no sense and are unpredictable which are precisely why people are scared of them. Unless we outright go Hitler it is not easy way to take over their territories permanently.

    Mestizos on the other hand are for some unknown reasons not even capable of self-governance. This is why any future North Mexico will be ruled by Anglo and Spanish whites. If mestizos had the political strength of blacks there would have been brutal anti-white insurgencies and later Haiti-style massacres almost all over Latin America (except in the far south) that could make Rhodesian Bush War look like a picnic. We don't see anything like that or even just mestizo attempts to (peacefully or not) take power on racial grounds in countries where they are a majority happening. Maybe they are indeed terminally submissive or something.

    I think you’re having fevered thoughts about race wars. That’s not how any of this is going to play out in the western hemisphere. Fertility rates, immigration, and CRISPR are the inputs that will matter.

  236. @Talha
    This kind of thing is certainly not helping:
    https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712173532/authorities-arrest-suspect-linked-to-3-burned-black-churches-in-louisiana

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there...

    Peace.

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there…

    And just where does the article say that the white arsonist is a white nationalist? According to the article the arson attacks are without a racial motive and the arsonist is linked to a heavy metal group that’s responsible for burning churches in Sweden.

    Regarding optics, I’m not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment with all the church bombings in Egypt and the Philippines, rape gangs in the U.K., terrorist attacks in Europe and the reintroduction of the slave trade in Liby and parts of N.Africa.

    • Replies: @Talha
    They are now officially charging him with racial motives.

    Regarding optics, I’m not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment
     
    That’s my point. You’re totally not getting it are you?

    If anything, people here should be learning from the stupidity of our extremists and how counterproductive extremist actions are. How long did the pipe-dream “caliphate” last before everyone on the area including Sunnis smashed it to bits? That is the point where this will head to if cooler heads don’t prevail, you will be smashed by other whites.

    Do you know what that kind of action does in a society, it totally militarizes it. Do you think some random Muslim guy in Egypt sees this as “Islam”? No. What it does is alienate the normal Egyptian guy from whatever movement or ideology is blowing up mosques. At that point the authorities can literally gun you down in the streets and come up with a post-hoc explanation and nobody will bat an eye. That’s where guys like this are taking everyone.

    Now maybe you want it that way because you think the side you want will come out on top and this will simply accelerate the process, in which case - full steam ahead.

    Peace.
    , @216

    I’m not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment
     
    They don't need optics, they have demographics.

    White violence against blacks is the worst sin in the Woke Universe, as it is the ultimate "punch down".

    This nation endured far more moral tumult over Dylan Roof and Charlottesville, than it did over outright war crimes in Afghanistan which most people here probably forgot about. Proponents of the Iraq War are still employed, but no white person advocating race realism is allowed even a sniff of positive media coverage.
  237. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    By the way, this is why (as of 2014), white conservatives had a TFR of 1.97, while white liberals were down at 1.38. Here is a sample of the cohort sizes of each generation (assuming constant TFR and every kid inherits their parent's ideology)

    Liberal: 500,000 --> 328,500 --> 215,824
    Conser: 500,000 --> 469,000 --> 439,922

    Goes from 1:1 to 2:1 in favour of conservatives in 2 generations. Add in younger mean age at birth and it will happen much sooner.

    Clearly, when men are strong and take charge, white children are born. When men wilt under their wife's dog mom tendencies and agree to get a vasectomy to stay childfree, white children aren't being born.

    Maybe, though for as long as we’ve had data to track it, the religious have outbred the irreligious, yet the US is less religious than it ever has been. Culture matters, too.

  238. @Audacious Epigone
    Probably? There's no question about it. Attacking people who have roots going back centuries in the most unobjectionable place large groups of blacks gather is despicable (and obviously counterproductive).

    I mean think about it if the perpetrator is actually the son of a local deputy. I mean, you’re talking Mississippi Burning type imagery here. Who are these fools?

    Incidentally, the term that is starting to be thrown around for this archetype from our community is incelQaida. Once this guy’s profile starts coming out, I can almost guarantee you’ll see the; “He was a bit of a loner, tough time getting dates…video games…”

    Peace.

  239. @KenH

    The consequent states won’t be ethnostates. They breakup is far more likely to be along current political lines.
     
    Which gives us ethnostates. Republican derive 80% of their votes from whites, so one possible ethnostate would be comprised of 80% whites and the 20% of non-whites who don't hate whites or America and have essentially the same political outlook.

    Blacks vote 88-95% for Democrats so there's another ethnostate and hispanics vote 66-72% for Dems.

    But then the white leftists left behind in majority non-white ethnostates won't like being a despised minority contrary to what they claim nor will they last long. So will seek entry into the 80% white ethnostate, but the door will hopefully be closed for them and they will reap what they've sown.

    Heh, but neither of those are ethnostates. And lots of white leftists already live in majority non-white urban areas. Yes, they self-segregate enormously, of course, but they live there and many of them would continue to do so.

  240. @polaco

    So, with that in mind, why would any god-like creature create a reality filled with morons who are far below the average reader of this site, all of whom are far inferior to the simulator themselves?
     
    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ "morons" as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks. Even though the whole world would be a whole lot better off than now in general, I suspect there still would be people not satisfied with the situation. People within different brackets see the world differently and have radically different ideas about the way things should be; suppose the cut-off is 100, a lot of people would be happy with a population like that, there would be a vast difference in the way the world could work, but who can guarantee there would be no social discontent, the highly intelligent, especially when their population has expanded, would still look at their lower IQ compatriots with suspicion.

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That's below me, let that idiot over there do it. But there would be nobody around- why do I have to do this shit-job, I ain't more stupid, I can have the same credentials in no time, I can work as hard as he can... A whole new set of problems would arise. How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board? The occasional genius that pops-up in the population and makes some breakthroughs, relies on the rest of the 'not so bright' people for existence. A world where robots do everything is very distant. Life will always have challenges, without them there is no progress. Just as the Sun's energy output varies, so does human intelligence, and there are good reasons for it.

    Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for? "All God's creatures have their place in the choir"- when Mao had all the sparrows exterminated, it turned out wasps lost their natural enemies and then killed all the bees, so there was nothing left to pollinate crops. They had to do it by hand, and it brought a famine about. The system is very complex, many animals need others to survive and exist, the interconnections are not always direct and clear.

    Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did. South African mining companies would bring in the least intelligent workers en masse, from across the whole continent to do the grueling work from dawn to dusk without complaining, before things went awry, it had been working very well for them, but only until such time. It's the leadership of intelligent, yet evil people, that hinders humanity. Stupid people- everything depends on how you use "it", which can be said about everything else.

    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.

    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.  Today’s robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price.  Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any human.  This is with programmers whose IQ may reach 140 or 150; who would be redundant when automation is built by people averaging IQ 300+?

    What human populations today have IQ around 50?  The lowest average I can find is Equatorial Guinea at 59.  It has “little industry”.  In a world of Homo sapiens sapiens, where could you employ a billion Homo habilis?  Nowhere, that’s where.  They’d be unemployable if they were not already extinct.  If the average IQ was 300, any conscious being of IQ less than 200 would be obsolete and probably better off replaced by an automaton of some kind.  Their existence would be miserable and they’d wonder why they were even alive.

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches?

    Nobody.  Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one.  Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.

    How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?

    You posit this from exactly nowhere.  Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.  If we had an average 300 IQ with a standard deviation of 45, the top 0.1% would score in excess of 400.  I’m about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do.  I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.

    Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for?

    You cannot contemplate Dyson spheres around stars, an ever-expanding sphere of civilization encompassing galaxies?  You are WAY too limited to even understand these issues.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I’m about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do. I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.
     
    The future does *not* need more high IQ people. They are the ones who got us into this mess in the first place. If some average, 100IQ white guy from the rust belt was running the country we would be much better off.
    , @polaco

    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.
     
    This is not the issue, menial tasks would not disappear. The whole point is variations in IQ are needed to move society forward, I doubt they will ever disappear.

    What human populations today have IQ around 50?
     
    I wrote: "Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did."

    Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.
     
    That's what I wrote about- robots would be doing the new menial tasks- your first quote of me in your comment.

    You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.
     
    How would this uniformity help? Uniformity implies no change at all, you would never "progress immensely", it's an evident contradiction, even if there were variations they would have to really be meaningless (for the average IQ to remain uniform) from the point of view of progress. Basic logic is beyond your 150 IQ level.
    , @polaco


    How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
     
    You posit this from exactly nowhere.

     

    My conclusion followed from the preceding statement:

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches? That’s below me, let that idiot over there do it. But there would be nobody around- why do I have to do this shit-job, I ain’t more stupid, I can have the same credentials in no time, I can work as hard as he can… A whole new set of problems would arise.
     
    What I meant was a hypothetical situation where the IQ is constant from one chap to another. To repeat myself- everybody is on the same level, with identical IQs, there are no deviations.
  241. @Audacious Epigone
    Social media is increasingly thoughtless. Thoughtful people are going to look for other places to spend their time online. I'd like it to be here, but the racial slurs turn people away immediately.

    racial slurs turn people away

    Another name for “racial slur” is “politically-incorrect but intellectually and categorically accurate label”.

    Schoolmarm needs to check her educational privilege!

  242. @KenH

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there…
     
    And just where does the article say that the white arsonist is a white nationalist? According to the article the arson attacks are without a racial motive and the arsonist is linked to a heavy metal group that's responsible for burning churches in Sweden.

    Regarding optics, I'm not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment with all the church bombings in Egypt and the Philippines, rape gangs in the U.K., terrorist attacks in Europe and the reintroduction of the slave trade in Liby and parts of N.Africa.

    They are now officially charging him with racial motives.

    Regarding optics, I’m not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment

    That’s my point. You’re totally not getting it are you?

    If anything, people here should be learning from the stupidity of our extremists and how counterproductive extremist actions are. How long did the pipe-dream “caliphate” last before everyone on the area including Sunnis smashed it to bits? That is the point where this will head to if cooler heads don’t prevail, you will be smashed by other whites.

    Do you know what that kind of action does in a society, it totally militarizes it. Do you think some random Muslim guy in Egypt sees this as “Islam”? No. What it does is alienate the normal Egyptian guy from whatever movement or ideology is blowing up mosques. At that point the authorities can literally gun you down in the streets and come up with a post-hoc explanation and nobody will bat an eye. That’s where guys like this are taking everyone.

    Now maybe you want it that way because you think the side you want will come out on top and this will simply accelerate the process, in which case – full steam ahead.

    Peace.

    • Agree: 216, iffen
    • Replies: @KenH

    They are now officially charging him with racial motives.
     
    Typical. No apparent racial motive but since a white guy did it they'll charge him with a hate crime anyway just to be on the safe side. But this reminds me of the spate of church burnings afflicting black churches in the deep south in the late 90's. It turned out all those sweet black preachers were torching their own churches for insurance money, so the (((media))) quickly flushed it down the memory hole.

    At that point the authorities can literally gun you down in the streets and come up with a post-hoc explanation and nobody will bat an eye.
     
    Except Muslim radicals aren't being gunned down in the streets. At least not in the West. In the wake of bloody Muslim terror attacks Western leaders punish their own white citizenry while doling out special protections, more welfare and hugs for Muslims.

    Muslim leaders and members of the umma don't seem to wring their hands and crap themselves either (like pro-white leaders do) when fellow Muslims kill, maim or victimize non-Muslims without cause as in the cases I cited. Optics or the opinions of Westerners isn't high on your list. Winning at all costs is, so for Muslims optics is a relatively moot point.

    If Muslims have a quarrel with their own governments and take up arms against it or American occupation troops then that's a whole different issue and I don't hold that against them. But whatever their grievances they are not being replaced by non-Muslims and Assad or other "apostate" rulers aren't pushing religious masochism, porn and feminism on the Muslim population.

  243. @KenH

    You want to talk really bad optics? Yeah, burning down Black churches is up there…
     
    And just where does the article say that the white arsonist is a white nationalist? According to the article the arson attacks are without a racial motive and the arsonist is linked to a heavy metal group that's responsible for burning churches in Sweden.

    Regarding optics, I'm not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment with all the church bombings in Egypt and the Philippines, rape gangs in the U.K., terrorist attacks in Europe and the reintroduction of the slave trade in Liby and parts of N.Africa.

    I’m not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment

    They don’t need optics, they have demographics.

    White violence against blacks is the worst sin in the Woke Universe, as it is the ultimate “punch down”.

    This nation endured far more moral tumult over Dylan Roof and Charlottesville, than it did over outright war crimes in Afghanistan which most people here probably forgot about. Proponents of the Iraq War are still employed, but no white person advocating race realism is allowed even a sniff of positive media coverage.

    • Replies: @iffen
    You want me to care more about people being killed by my military than I care about one of my fellow citizens being murdered by another.

    I don't think so, Tim, not going to happen in this lifetime.
  244. @Mr. Rational

    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.
     
    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.  Today's robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price.  Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any human.  This is with programmers whose IQ may reach 140 or 150; who would be redundant when automation is built by people averaging IQ 300+?

    What human populations today have IQ around 50?  The lowest average I can find is Equatorial Guinea at 59.  It has "little industry".  In a world of Homo sapiens sapiens, where could you employ a billion Homo habilis?  Nowhere, that's where.  They'd be unemployable if they were not already extinct.  If the average IQ was 300, any conscious being of IQ less than 200 would be obsolete and probably better off replaced by an automaton of some kind.  Their existence would be miserable and they'd wonder why they were even alive.

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches?
     
    Nobody.  Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one.  Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.

    How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
     
    You posit this from exactly nowhere.  Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.  If we had an average 300 IQ with a standard deviation of 45, the top 0.1% would score in excess of 400.  I'm about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do.  I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.

    Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for?
     
    You cannot contemplate Dyson spheres around stars, an ever-expanding sphere of civilization encompassing galaxies?  You are WAY too limited to even understand these issues.

    I’m about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do. I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.

    The future does *not* need more high IQ people. They are the ones who got us into this mess in the first place. If some average, 100IQ white guy from the rust belt was running the country we would be much better off.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @iffen
    I was afraid that you had made a comment that I could agree with, but your last sentence saved me.
  245. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I’m about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do. I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.
     
    The future does *not* need more high IQ people. They are the ones who got us into this mess in the first place. If some average, 100IQ white guy from the rust belt was running the country we would be much better off.

    I was afraid that you had made a comment that I could agree with, but your last sentence saved me.

  246. 216 is correct about going to uber-leftist places like Berkeley and C’Ville. There’s nothing like a ‘silent majority’ passively supporting things they feel are extreme but not existentially threatening in cities like that. It’s all hostility everywhere from everyone.

    Perhaps I’m naive, but I was operating under the assumption that the First Amendment still applies to White people. I cannot fault the UTR organizers for assuming the city would enforce their free speech rights. Going forward, yes, we have to understand that we cannot assume that, with the benefit of hindsight.

  247. @216

    I’m not sure if Islam has the best optics at the moment
     
    They don't need optics, they have demographics.

    White violence against blacks is the worst sin in the Woke Universe, as it is the ultimate "punch down".

    This nation endured far more moral tumult over Dylan Roof and Charlottesville, than it did over outright war crimes in Afghanistan which most people here probably forgot about. Proponents of the Iraq War are still employed, but no white person advocating race realism is allowed even a sniff of positive media coverage.

    You want me to care more about people being killed by my military than I care about one of my fellow citizens being murdered by another.

    I don’t think so, Tim, not going to happen in this lifetime.

  248. @216
    I understand that I'm pushing people's buttons here, but rioting (yes, far-right people came to Charlottesville to riot) is not a civilized response to statue removal. We've managed to establish a consensus that optics matter, but you and others still want to think moderates would/should get outraged when the rights of Neo-Nazi protestors are violated. It doesn't work that way, and complaining about double standards is unhelpful, as nothing changes.

    If people dislike the removal, they could have encouraged a boycott of travel to the city. But that requires actual boring work, and dragging BoomerDad away from sitting back and grilling.

    We behave badly, we get punished.

    Why use words from the Wiesenthal Center / SPLC’s dictionary. Unless someone calls himself a Neo-Nazi, he’s not. Violence and rioting is always initiated by the loony Democrats- deployed and paid for by the party affiliated non-profit networks. They could be sending them to people’s homes, businesses and workplaces, for manufactured reasons, if there are no large rallies held. Everybody ought to be shocked and distrustful of a government that applies laws selectively.

    Our consensus is that ‘their’ communist steamroller will squash moderates even as they’re sitting on their hands., that they’re just cucks by a different name, and should be educated to pay attention, and not wait until they feel the pain themselves. I’m more of an old right, socially conservative type of a person, the Alt-Right types are just a curiosity to me, but they’re out there and people can see that not everybody approves of the Democrats’ culture wars, and definitely they should pick their battles. Moderates should not be outraged, but at least quietly approve of someone who’s at least nominally on their side. And have an unapologetic attitude. Your character and philosophical foundation should be shaped at home, if circumstances require it, you should really be a different person in public than at home and when among your own people. I detest the term moderate, what is it, you just basically don’t care, so at least don’t vote, how can the moderate stance be taken on anything- I’m a moderate businessman/ worker/husband/student, you should always give it your all, you’re either with us or against us, they’re the people who will feed and house the enemy when he comes to their house amidst a civil war, instead of killing him, even when it’s safe to do so.

    I doubt anything of this sort will materialize, but they way I would do it, there should be new monuments built on home turf. And people should start networking quietly, create secretive clubs and organizations, their own alternative, parallel societies- like the Afrikaner Broederbond for example, private scout movements headed by retired SAS types, to educate the youth to be proud of their culture, and heritage. Guard against government infiltration, while infiltrating and spying on the government. Conservatives should start banishing leftist affiliated businesses from their home ground, the way Democrats do it, or better yet- boycott them quietly and routinely, while patronizing their own. Jews condemn violence against Arabs publicly and pat themselves on their backs privately.

  249. @Mr. Rational

    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.
     
    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.  Today's robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price.  Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any human.  This is with programmers whose IQ may reach 140 or 150; who would be redundant when automation is built by people averaging IQ 300+?

    What human populations today have IQ around 50?  The lowest average I can find is Equatorial Guinea at 59.  It has "little industry".  In a world of Homo sapiens sapiens, where could you employ a billion Homo habilis?  Nowhere, that's where.  They'd be unemployable if they were not already extinct.  If the average IQ was 300, any conscious being of IQ less than 200 would be obsolete and probably better off replaced by an automaton of some kind.  Their existence would be miserable and they'd wonder why they were even alive.

    If everyone was equally intelligent, who would dig the ditches?
     
    Nobody.  Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one.  Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.

    How could humanity progress with a level IQ across the board?
     
    You posit this from exactly nowhere.  Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.  If we had an average 300 IQ with a standard deviation of 45, the top 0.1% would score in excess of 400.  I'm about 150, and I cannot imagine what an elite of 400 IQ could do.  I only hope they are in our future, because the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.

    Who would consume all the economic output, the bright ones are responsible for?
     
    You cannot contemplate Dyson spheres around stars, an ever-expanding sphere of civilization encompassing galaxies?  You are WAY too limited to even understand these issues.

    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.

    This is not the issue, menial tasks would not disappear. The whole point is variations in IQ are needed to move society forward, I doubt they will ever disappear.

    What human populations today have IQ around 50?

    I wrote: “Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did.”

    Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.

    That’s what I wrote about- robots would be doing the new menial tasks- your first quote of me in your comment.

    You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.

    How would this uniformity help? Uniformity implies no change at all, you would never “progress immensely”, it’s an evident contradiction, even if there were variations they would have to really be meaningless (for the average IQ to remain uniform) from the point of view of progress. Basic logic is beyond your 150 IQ level.

    • Replies: @polaco
    To clarify the last point, you'd reach a plateau, and couldn't progress beyond that.
  250. @polaco

    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.
     
    This is not the issue, menial tasks would not disappear. The whole point is variations in IQ are needed to move society forward, I doubt they will ever disappear.

    What human populations today have IQ around 50?
     
    I wrote: "Until the combustion engine was invented, much of the labor people relied on to survive rested on the back of animals. Those below you are needed for humanity to advance, let the bad genes fall out of the pool on their own, in due time. Looking back, everybody had to be on board to get where people did."

    Somebody would program the tractor with the Ditch Witch attachment, likely with a macro which sets up the entire job so that the details are of interest to no one. Some hacker who loves dealing with details would write the macro and get a boatload of money for it.
     
    That's what I wrote about- robots would be doing the new menial tasks- your first quote of me in your comment.

    You posit this from exactly nowhere. Humanity would progress immensely with a much higher but uniform IQ, but uniformity is not in our future.
     
    How would this uniformity help? Uniformity implies no change at all, you would never "progress immensely", it's an evident contradiction, even if there were variations they would have to really be meaningless (for the average IQ to remain uniform) from the point of view of progress. Basic logic is beyond your 150 IQ level.

    To clarify the last point, you’d reach a plateau, and couldn’t progress beyond that.

  251. @Mr. Rational

    I have no doubt if the whole curve was shifted to the right far enough, those with IQ around 300 would complain and consider the new 150 IQ “morons” as useless, backward, and primitive obstacles, standing in the way of progress, even if robots were around to do the new menial tasks.
     
    Robots programmed by people with an average IQ of 300 would be so far beyond mere menial capabilities that it would shock you.  Today's robots are awfully dumb, but being tireless and consistent makes them far better for many jobs than any human labor you can buy at the price.  Mere drones flying around warehouses can take inventory faster and cheaper than any h