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YouGov released the results of in-depth opinion polling a few days ago. It contains quite a few items of interest, so what follows is a brief discussion of them.

– Hispanics express the most satisfaction with the direction the US is going. Net positive direction scores–computed by taking the percentages who say the US is headed in the right direction and subtracting from it the percentages who say the country is off track–by race/ethnicity:

Hispanics: +3
Whites: -11
Others: -12
Blacks: -48

The histrionics about concentration camps is red meat for status-signalling NPR listeners who never set foot outside a super zip, but Hispanics in the US know the door is open, illegals who make it here get to stay, and that they will increasingly be treated indistinguishably from actual American citizens–free health care, voting rights, entire cities where the same non-English languages they speak is spoken by nearly everyone else, etc. It’s hard to blame them for being happy about the country becoming more racially and culturally familiar to them with each passing day.

– The skids really are greased for war on Iran. Imperial fatigue and Trump’s latent instincts against disastrous military interventionism may yet again frustrate hopes in Israel and Saudi Arabia that America will smash up their mutual enemy, but if Persia ends up in the cross hairs, its people aren’t going to get much sympathy from Americans. Percentages who consider the Iranians bad guys (“unfriendly” or “enemy”) with the residuals representing percentages who see Iranians as good guys (“friendly” or “ally”), by selected demographic characteristics:

This is the worst performance of any other of the twelve countries the poll inquired about. China and Russia do considerably better. Even North Korea does modestly so.

Parenthetically, of the over 300 respondents aged 65 or older–people old enough to remember the hostage crisis–not a single person considered Iran a friend or an ally.

– The Sinitic historians of the future who write The Decline and Fall of the Western World will do well to return time and again to the theme of collapsing levels of trust in the major institutions of Western society. Only among those aged 65 and older does a majority trust the US government’s accounting of recent attacks on commercial shipping in the Persian Gulf. Among those under the age of 45, the USG doesn’t even get a plurality of credulity, let alone a majority:


– White Democrats are big proponents of increasing the amount of legal immigration into the US. The survey doesn’t explicitly break results out by both race and political orientation, but deducing it from the results that are presented is easy to do. Net appetite for more legal immigration–calculated by taking percentages who want more and subtracting from it percentages who want less–by race/ethnicity and partisan affiliation:

Whites: 0
Blacks: +4
Hispanics: – 5
Others: +6

Democrats: +26
Independents: -2
Republicans: -27

Given that 90%+ of the Republican sample is presumably white and most non-whites self-identify as Democrats, this suggests the score for white Democrats to be something like +30 while the score for non-white Democrats is around +10.

As an aside, just 19% of Trump voters want to see legal immigration increased, the president’s calls for increasing it notwithstanding.

– Opposition to Border Wall Strongest Among Blacks, Part XXVIII–the percentages opposed to a wall subtracted from the percentages in favor of it, by race/ethnicity:

Whites: +9
Blacks: -39
Hispanics: -2
Others: -4

Blacks are similarly the least likely to support deportation of illegal aliens, the most likely to support legalizing their residency statuses, etc. None of the items under consideration mention anything about Republicans or Donald Trump, either–they are strictly policy questions.

– Bill de Blasio must be one of the least popular politicians in the country. His net favorability rating is negative even among Democrats. Net favorability ratings–percentages favorable minus percentages unfavorable–for the communist mayor:

Democrats: -4
Independents: -26
Republicans: -44

Of the 25 candidates the survey asked about, the only other Democrat who turns in this poor a performance among members of his own party–let alone among independents and Republicans, where both do worse still–is Woke Capitalist Howard Schultz.

– YouGov did an interesting thing, especially given the large Democrat field–it asked prospective Democrat primary voters who they were considering voting for and allowed them to select as many names as they wanted. The top five overall:

Biden: 52%
Warren: 45%
Harris: 38%
Sanders: 35%
Buttigieg: 34%

The top five candidates under consideration by the coveted black vote:

Biden: 68%
Harris: 44%
Sanders: 38%
Warren: 30%
Booker: 25%

And the top five among women:

Biden: 54%
Warren: 45%
Harris: 39%
Sanders: 34%
Buttigieg: 30%

Takeaways from this?

Don’t count Kamala out. Yeah, I’m on the ropes because of my early prediction that she’d claim the nomination, but if uncle Joe takes a fall–figuratively or literally–she is demographically well-positioned to take advantage of the space his exit will create.

Sanders, in contrast, is like Ron Paul in 2008 or 2012–he has a devoted base that will put him in second or third place in a lot of states, but he isn’t anybody’s second or third choice. While the other tier-one candidates will benefit from the lesser knowns dropping out, Sanders won’t. There’s no path to the nomination for him.

Speaking of candidates with no chance, Beto O’Rourke has been and continues to be an entirely astroturfed candidate with no organic support and no natural constituency.

On the other hand, Warren does have a real chance. Trump must be giddy about the prospect of her nomination.

She strikes me as the opponent who gives him the best chance of reelection. She’s another northeastern liberal, vinegar-drinking scold with zero hipness. To the extent that she energizes anyone, it’s the pussyhat-wearers who are already charged up by the prospect of throwing the sexist orange pig out of the White House. They’ll be at the polls no matter who the Democrat nominee is. She doesn’t gin up the POC ascendancy like Harris could but she doesn’t present the same threat to steal blue collar whites away from Trump that Biden does, either. And Trump has a devastating auto-response to all her Woke attacks on him: “Oh this is funny folks, the fake Indian is going to lecture me on diversity!”

– Of the 15 issues asked about, immigration is ranked most important among Republicans by the widest margin I’ve yet seen in polls like this–29% list it as the most important issue, with the economy coming in a distant second at 18%. Among independents, immigration (14%) is second-most important after health care (16%).

 
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  1. …Warren does have a real chance.

    I’m pretty sure Warren’s going to be the nominee.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Every time i see a Harris rally it screams these are the demographics you want for a sudden victory in a divide dem primary (black and older white women show up to her southern rallies and even some good polling evidence out of college whites )

    I 100% get a Gillum nomination vibe scenario. No contested convention either.


    That or Biden via contested convention
  2. A) A stopped clock can be right once or twice a day. Do the -48 %-points by Blacks on the “off-track” opinion mean that they all know about the problem with the FED, the forced low interest rates, the $23,000,000,000,000 debt and the coming demise of the Dollar that will blow up the economy soon enough? Naaaahhhh!

    B) That’s a bad question on the Iran thing. “Unfriendly”? Well, yeah, they’re not friendly to us, whether you blame them or not. No wonder the numbers are near 100%. Was “unfriendly” split up from “an enemy”, A.E., or was the question just like it’s worded above? The table below this bar graph is a lot better.

    C) Yeah, the clock is still stuck on stupid O’clock. Immigration of all sorts, but especially of the illegal aliens that have taken so many blue-collar jobs, has been terrible for black people. Does anyone remember Barbara Jordan. I guess the 1990’s were long, long ago in a country far far away.

    D) I don’t care about NY City one bit, but that’s a bit of good news. Do you remember when even New Yorkers derided Communism? It was just after the Cold War had ended, and even the lefties making TV shows agreed it had been a disaster.

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    It seems remarkable how few people understand what will matter most in November 2020, and probably well before that, is the state of the economy. I know the normalcy basis among Americans is always strong, but do people really think 2008-9 can't come again? Hell, a repeat is long overdue.
    , @Mark G.
    Not doing anything about the $23 trillion and growing debt is something both major parties agree on. An empty political niche that needs to be filled is what Steve Sailer once called "Green Eyeshade Conservatism". This would be a conservatism that believes in low spending, balanced budget and shrinking the welfare state. Shrinking the welfare state would include ending government policies that make the rich richer. I don't usually agree with Bernie Sanders but he was correct when he said the 2008 Wall Street bailout was socialism for rich people.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    48% of the total sample--and 19% of the "not sure" are excluded from the graph I made--say Iran is an "enemy" compared to 29% that say it is merely "unfriendly". So a majority of those who expressed an opinion explicitly say Iran is an enemy of the US.
  3. Once again Blacks do everything in their power to smite whites. Even as they get ethnically cleansed.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    They know they're next in line to replace Latins as the primary source of illegal immigrants

    You know just with 4 billion people and that's only from one region of the continent.

  4. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    ...Warren does have a real chance.
     
    I'm pretty sure Warren's going to be the nominee.

    Every time i see a Harris rally it screams these are the demographics you want for a sudden victory in a divide dem primary (black and older white women show up to her southern rallies and even some good polling evidence out of college whites )

    I 100% get a Gillum nomination vibe scenario. No contested convention either.

    That or Biden via contested convention

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    "That or Biden via contested convention"

    It's always amused me that the Dems have no taste for democracy in their own affairs.
  5. @Tykebomb
    Once again Blacks do everything in their power to smite whites. Even as they get ethnically cleansed.

    They know they’re next in line to replace Latins as the primary source of illegal immigrants

    You know just with 4 billion people and that’s only from one region of the continent.

    • Replies: @216
    I don't know how well The Most Important Graph is known among blacks.

    Black immigration enthusiasm is more just a feeling that they will get their due when whites are no longer the majority and can no longer protect "priviledge".
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Right. As we careen toward 4 billion Africans over the next 80 years, a lot of them are going to try to leave. Think a president Kamala Harris with an AOC speaker of the House is going to 1) stop them, or 2) welcome them?
  6. Warren is too much of a policy hog to win, she’ll get traction throughout the debate season, but isn’t charismatic enough to win over anyone at the voting booth, especially if other more liked candidates take her positions

    I’d be inclined to count her out before super Tuesday without a seriously strong showing in the early 4.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I’d be inclined to count her out before super Tuesday without a seriously strong showing in the early 4.
     
    I wouldn't be particularly surprised if she won the Iowa caucus. If she does, she'll almost certainly win the New Hampshire primary as well. That would make her the near-prohibitive front-runner (but I suppose Southern Black voters could still turn things around for Harris).
  7. anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    “I’m pretty sure Warren’s going to be the nominee.”

    That would scare a lot of the economic ruling class. Expect many of Gary Johnson’s voters (and Mitt Romney types) to come over to Trump in that case. He’d get maybe 61% of the white vote while depressing just enough of the minority vote to get by. Trump should hope Joe Biden has a senior moment in one of these debates. Biden doesn’t seem as sharp as he used to be in the 2008 and 2012 debates.

    “Howard Schultz”

    I sort of feel sorry for the guy. I think he honestly tried to do right by POC, from a naive SWPL point of view, but ended up outing himself as a rich and successful white male, enraging the envious POC segment of society in the process. I think the best policy in regards to POC is to ignore this group as much as possible; don’t pander to their interests, don’t give them anything, don’t talk about them, don’t include them in your products and works of art … just mind your own business. These are fundamentally ungrateful people who’ll turn on “The Other” the first chance they get.

    “De Blasio hated”

    Why? Do they hate him because he’s a pandering, but successful, white male, stoking POC envy and resentment (Howard Schultz)? Or do they hate him because the NYC media, controlled by a hypocritical elite that’s more than happy to practice diversity for thee but not for me, tells them to because it’s in their interests (school integration by lowering requirements)?

    “Once again Blacks do everything in their power to smite whites. Even as they get ethnically cleansed.”

    I honestly hate to say this, but you’re right. They are a curse on this nation – worse than any other group: racist, envious, unproductive, jealous, spiteful, unappreciative, short-sighted, uncultured, stupid, incurious …

    “just 19% of Trump voters want to see legal immigration increased, the president’s calls for increasing it notwithstanding”

    Yet another indication the two parties are run by oligarchs for oligarchs. Thus, we get Charlie Kirk’s billionaire funded TPUSA claiming “We don’t oppose immigration, just illegal immigration.” No buddy, WE oppose immigration period, and for good reason. The Kochs and Mercers may want mass immigration, but we just want our country back. Fat chance of ever hearing that from TPUSA.

    “The top five candidates under consideration by the coveted black vote”

    2 of 5 are black. One, despite being white, was the black president’s number two. The white lady is vocally for wealth theft from whites and transfers to blacks (reparations). The other white guy is a socialist who, despite promoting economic policies that would be better for that demographic than anything offered by his rivals, doen’t get higher than 3. I hate to say this, but that demographic seems to only care about race loyalty to their demographic, not complex policy issues like heath care – and certainly not anything that benefits all Americans instead of just their group. They are truly a divisive element that ruins our politics. If they were all sent back to Africa overnight, social trust in this country would skyrocket, along with the economy as whites poured back into the cities. Our politics would get better without a dedicated black vote as democrats were forced to start caring about normal people again; that would mean deplatforming the racial grievance mongers on the left. The culture would also get much better as normies became the primary audience for movies, and they demand higher quality products.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    If they were all sent back to Africa overnight, social trust in this country would skyrocket, along with the economy as whites poured back into the cities.
     
    Africa is optional; gone is mandatory.  Wherever and however they were gone, our cities would be habitable again.

    When the fecal matter hits the rotating impeller, values of "gone" will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.
  8. Wonder what the Jews think (by age) considering the recent take of migrant detention centers are another shoah

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Who GAF about what they think?
  9. @Oblivionrecurs
    They know they're next in line to replace Latins as the primary source of illegal immigrants

    You know just with 4 billion people and that's only from one region of the continent.

    I don’t know how well The Most Important Graph is known among blacks.

    Black immigration enthusiasm is more just a feeling that they will get their due when whites are no longer the majority and can no longer protect “priviledge”.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Black immigration enthusiasm is more just a feeling that they will get their due when whites are no longer the majority and can no longer protect “priviledge”.

    There's a decent generation gap among blacks, with older blacks feeling comfortable with 1990's centrism. Younger blacks want a more radical restructuring of the economic pie. However, in the inevitable econ. crash to come, it will become obvious that you can't become a storage facility for teeming masses of anyone, much less 3rd worlders who can't take care of a whole lot on their own.

    Older centrists arrogantly don't understand why young people are pissed off, and many younger (especially non-white) voters think that something akin to borderless world communism (where robots do the grunt work and everyone gets free college) is achievable. Both are delusional; Centrism is a zombie ideology waiting to get it's head blown off (and will via generational attrition), "borderless" communism is never going to happen because global capital wants borders to not exist, real Leftism has never achieved such a thing and never will. A true backlash against rich elites will actually cause immigration to slow.
  10. The top five candidates under consideration by the coveted black vote:

    Biden: 68%
    Harris: 44%
    Sanders: 38%
    Warren: 30%
    Booker: 25%

    Yowza, the blacks really are doormats to the elite Dem agenda of “centrism”. News flash: blacks since the 1980’s have been far less interested in legit Leftism (be it true anti-capitalism, environmentalism, or what have you) than whites have been. Blacks had their run with radicalism in the 60’s and early 70’s, but that horse left the barn over 40 years ago.

    What’s striking is that many older blacks appear to resent true Leftists not on the grounds of being radical in the wrong way (not putting blacks front and center), but simply because they are radical in any way at all. Strange as it may seem, older blacks might be the demographic most comfortable with the political doldrums of the 80’s and 90’s. This suggests Sanders type candidates will have nothing to gain by pandering to blacks, because there just is too big a gap on ideology.

    Blacks are similarly the least likely to support deportation of illegal aliens, the most likely to support legalizing their residency statuses, etc. None of the items under consideration mention anything about Republicans or Donald Trump, either–they are strictly policy questions.

    I feel that immigration enforcers are being lumped in with generic US law enforcement, which blacks detest for obvious reasons. Blacks have no idea that in the New Deal era, we didn’t imprison that many people but we were also hostile toward immigrants. Clearly, modern blacks see themselves as a besieged minority against the “white” American system, and feel that (largely non-white) modern immigrants are allies in the struggle. Note that middle aged-elderly blacks still are using ideology based on 1960’s era demographics, clueless as to how many Hispanic, Asian, and even black elites we now have (for example, since the 70’s many big city mayors have been non-white, and hello, we just had a black president). America is becoming Central America-like in it’s under 30 demographics (but with much more affirmative action and less outright prejudice toward dark skinned people), but that doesn’t stop the notion among older blacks that our ongoing system is almost 100% dominated by white elites

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @216

    What’s striking is that many older blacks appear to resent true Leftists not on the grounds of being radical in the wrong way (not putting blacks front and center), but simply because they are radical in any way at all. Strange as it may seem, older blacks might be the demographic most comfortable with the political doldrums of the 80’s and 90’s. This suggests Sanders type candidates will have nothing to gain by pandering to blacks, because there just is too big a gap on ideology.
     
    Sailer pointed out that Atlanta is the ideal black metro
    -Govt jobs
    -A/A jobs in large corporations
    -GOP state government has most real responsibility

    The black ideal is not typically entreprenurial, blacks are the least entreprenurial of all racial groups. Its a gov't or corporate job that you can't be fired from, in place of the long-gone unionized heavy industry.
  11. Wignats BTFO

    We are staring down a gun barrel with a caliber of “proscription”.

    Manners matter

    Stop being an idiot purity spiral

    • Replies: @216
    Contd:

    This is the best example I've provided on why we need to "self-deplatform". The mere presence of the far-right levies an emotional toll on the other side, which translates into "harassment" and "violence".

    The only way to win is to not play. Get off of Big Social, the several hudred people that showed up in Charlottesville should retire from politics. If you are clueless enough to run an SPLC-tagged hate group, shut it down.

    Some Boomers want to portray her as this clueless showhorse. But she's not, in no uncertain terms she is the most popular Democrat in the country, and she will either be the next Speaker, or be the kingmaker.

    None of us should want to be in her gunsights.
    , @Thulean Friend
    Meanwhile, she supporters a literal Apartheid state (Israel). Her 'radicalism' is out of the window as soon as it begins to encroach on the interests of the jewish democrat donors. AOC is a massive fraud.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Great, a congresswoman insinuating that a group of people--the boundaries of said group up to her to determine--should be murdered by the state. This is indeed how insurgencies start. This is extremely irresponsible of her.
  12. 216 says:
    @Feryl

    The top five candidates under consideration by the coveted black vote:

    Biden: 68%
    Harris: 44%
    Sanders: 38%
    Warren: 30%
    Booker: 25%
     
    Yowza, the blacks really are doormats to the elite Dem agenda of "centrism". News flash: blacks since the 1980's have been far less interested in legit Leftism (be it true anti-capitalism, environmentalism, or what have you) than whites have been. Blacks had their run with radicalism in the 60's and early 70's, but that horse left the barn over 40 years ago.

    What's striking is that many older blacks appear to resent true Leftists not on the grounds of being radical in the wrong way (not putting blacks front and center), but simply because they are radical in any way at all. Strange as it may seem, older blacks might be the demographic most comfortable with the political doldrums of the 80's and 90's. This suggests Sanders type candidates will have nothing to gain by pandering to blacks, because there just is too big a gap on ideology.

    Blacks are similarly the least likely to support deportation of illegal aliens, the most likely to support legalizing their residency statuses, etc. None of the items under consideration mention anything about Republicans or Donald Trump, either–they are strictly policy questions.
     
    I feel that immigration enforcers are being lumped in with generic US law enforcement, which blacks detest for obvious reasons. Blacks have no idea that in the New Deal era, we didn't imprison that many people but we were also hostile toward immigrants. Clearly, modern blacks see themselves as a besieged minority against the "white" American system, and feel that (largely non-white) modern immigrants are allies in the struggle. Note that middle aged-elderly blacks still are using ideology based on 1960's era demographics, clueless as to how many Hispanic, Asian, and even black elites we now have (for example, since the 70's many big city mayors have been non-white, and hello, we just had a black president). America is becoming Central America-like in it's under 30 demographics (but with much more affirmative action and less outright prejudice toward dark skinned people), but that doesn't stop the notion among older blacks that our ongoing system is almost 100% dominated by white elites

    What’s striking is that many older blacks appear to resent true Leftists not on the grounds of being radical in the wrong way (not putting blacks front and center), but simply because they are radical in any way at all. Strange as it may seem, older blacks might be the demographic most comfortable with the political doldrums of the 80’s and 90’s. This suggests Sanders type candidates will have nothing to gain by pandering to blacks, because there just is too big a gap on ideology.

    Sailer pointed out that Atlanta is the ideal black metro
    -Govt jobs
    -A/A jobs in large corporations
    -GOP state government has most real responsibility

    The black ideal is not typically entreprenurial, blacks are the least entreprenurial of all racial groups. Its a gov’t or corporate job that you can’t be fired from, in place of the long-gone unionized heavy industry.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    In addition, much fuel for radical Leftism in the 60's came from unruly and free blacks. Since Reagan, we've locked many of these people up, insuring that most of today's older blacks are the ones who stayed out of prison/didn't get shot up in a stupid dispute. Of course, older free blacks are also heavily female (many, many Boomer and X-er black males are in prison or dead).

    Who knew that in addition to suppressing crime, mass incarceration would also remove fuel for radical political fire?

    Also, I think we can see why X-er and Boomer blacks don't care about Centrist support for mass incarceration; currently older and free blacks feel glad to be where they are at, and just don't have much sympathy for the blacks who "didn't make it" in the 80's and 90's. It's relatively benign Millennials, of all races, who have no interest in "tough on crime" policies which they feel are a crack war era relic. Lifting up modern youth from the burden of college debt and over-zealous law enforcement appeal to young people but older generations couldn't care less.
  13. @216
    I don't know how well The Most Important Graph is known among blacks.

    Black immigration enthusiasm is more just a feeling that they will get their due when whites are no longer the majority and can no longer protect "priviledge".

    Black immigration enthusiasm is more just a feeling that they will get their due when whites are no longer the majority and can no longer protect “priviledge”.

    There’s a decent generation gap among blacks, with older blacks feeling comfortable with 1990’s centrism. Younger blacks want a more radical restructuring of the economic pie. However, in the inevitable econ. crash to come, it will become obvious that you can’t become a storage facility for teeming masses of anyone, much less 3rd worlders who can’t take care of a whole lot on their own.

    Older centrists arrogantly don’t understand why young people are pissed off, and many younger (especially non-white) voters think that something akin to borderless world communism (where robots do the grunt work and everyone gets free college) is achievable. Both are delusional; Centrism is a zombie ideology waiting to get it’s head blown off (and will via generational attrition), “borderless” communism is never going to happen because global capital wants borders to not exist, real Leftism has never achieved such a thing and never will. A true backlash against rich elites will actually cause immigration to slow.

    • Replies: @216
    I think centrism has staying power if it takes the gloves off and moves toward authoritarianism.

    The move is increasingly going against democracy, and moving power away from parliaments and towards courts, bureaucrats and NGOs. It shows up nakedly when we look at the people making up and working in Congress, who don't show much intellectual firepower.

    Germany, no ones idea of a 3rd world country, routinely bans political ideas it doesn't like, infringes on the national soveriegnty of rebellious EU states, requires severe examinations to own a firearm, and censors large portions of the internet. In addition the history of Germany is demonized in the educational institutions, with ordinary Germans unwilling to show a hint of patriotism.

    For all intents and purposes, Germany is an authoritarian state. And most Germans like it that way. The four big parties believe basically the exact same thing, and the two opposition parties are spied on by the intelligence agencies. There's a welfare state, but large corporations are closely intertwined with government and rarely cause for alarm.
  14. 216 says:
    @216
    Wignats BTFO

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1142873623377694722

    We are staring down a gun barrel with a caliber of "proscription".

    Manners matter

    Stop being an idiot purity spiral

    Contd:

    This is the best example I’ve provided on why we need to “self-deplatform”. The mere presence of the far-right levies an emotional toll on the other side, which translates into “harassment” and “violence”.

    The only way to win is to not play. Get off of Big Social, the several hudred people that showed up in Charlottesville should retire from politics. If you are clueless enough to run an SPLC-tagged hate group, shut it down.

    Some Boomers want to portray her as this clueless showhorse. But she’s not, in no uncertain terms she is the most popular Democrat in the country, and she will either be the next Speaker, or be the kingmaker.

    None of us should want to be in her gunsights.

    • Replies: @Talha
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9y4oVzXoAEqGhz.jpg

    Peace.
    , @Pericles
    She's talking tough, you better run buddy.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    She is a weather vane, but she's still too early. Simply put, she is Trump's single best chance at reelection. He should make whoever the Dem nominee is agree with or disavow her tweets/comments.

    She scares the shit out of boomers. The idea that someone with such a toxic mix of cognitive vapidity and vengeful bloodlust could be in a real position of authority is a great motivator against the left.
  15. @216

    What’s striking is that many older blacks appear to resent true Leftists not on the grounds of being radical in the wrong way (not putting blacks front and center), but simply because they are radical in any way at all. Strange as it may seem, older blacks might be the demographic most comfortable with the political doldrums of the 80’s and 90’s. This suggests Sanders type candidates will have nothing to gain by pandering to blacks, because there just is too big a gap on ideology.
     
    Sailer pointed out that Atlanta is the ideal black metro
    -Govt jobs
    -A/A jobs in large corporations
    -GOP state government has most real responsibility

    The black ideal is not typically entreprenurial, blacks are the least entreprenurial of all racial groups. Its a gov't or corporate job that you can't be fired from, in place of the long-gone unionized heavy industry.

    In addition, much fuel for radical Leftism in the 60’s came from unruly and free blacks. Since Reagan, we’ve locked many of these people up, insuring that most of today’s older blacks are the ones who stayed out of prison/didn’t get shot up in a stupid dispute. Of course, older free blacks are also heavily female (many, many Boomer and X-er black males are in prison or dead).

    Who knew that in addition to suppressing crime, mass incarceration would also remove fuel for radical political fire?

    Also, I think we can see why X-er and Boomer blacks don’t care about Centrist support for mass incarceration; currently older and free blacks feel glad to be where they are at, and just don’t have much sympathy for the blacks who “didn’t make it” in the 80’s and 90’s. It’s relatively benign Millennials, of all races, who have no interest in “tough on crime” policies which they feel are a crack war era relic. Lifting up modern youth from the burden of college debt and over-zealous law enforcement appeal to young people but older generations couldn’t care less.

    • Replies: @216
    Younger blacks don't take political cues from the ministry, which has generally been loath to embrace the Poz in the way that white mainline Protestants clerics did.

    Blacks use social media at higher rates than whites, due to their precariat/NEET rates being higher. This helps to fuel radicalism, and also tends to particularly scare white women into Woke. So-called "Black Twitter" routinely engages in the "targeted harassment" that gets our people banned.

    Older blacks are still tied to the ministry, which the GOP has stopped trying to court since the Katrina debacle. "Conservative" blacks don't really exist, but there are black moderates that are difficult for the GOP to reach for much of the same reason they struggle with moderates of other races.
  16. 216 says:
    @Feryl
    Black immigration enthusiasm is more just a feeling that they will get their due when whites are no longer the majority and can no longer protect “priviledge”.

    There's a decent generation gap among blacks, with older blacks feeling comfortable with 1990's centrism. Younger blacks want a more radical restructuring of the economic pie. However, in the inevitable econ. crash to come, it will become obvious that you can't become a storage facility for teeming masses of anyone, much less 3rd worlders who can't take care of a whole lot on their own.

    Older centrists arrogantly don't understand why young people are pissed off, and many younger (especially non-white) voters think that something akin to borderless world communism (where robots do the grunt work and everyone gets free college) is achievable. Both are delusional; Centrism is a zombie ideology waiting to get it's head blown off (and will via generational attrition), "borderless" communism is never going to happen because global capital wants borders to not exist, real Leftism has never achieved such a thing and never will. A true backlash against rich elites will actually cause immigration to slow.

    I think centrism has staying power if it takes the gloves off and moves toward authoritarianism.

    The move is increasingly going against democracy, and moving power away from parliaments and towards courts, bureaucrats and NGOs. It shows up nakedly when we look at the people making up and working in Congress, who don’t show much intellectual firepower.

    Germany, no ones idea of a 3rd world country, routinely bans political ideas it doesn’t like, infringes on the national soveriegnty of rebellious EU states, requires severe examinations to own a firearm, and censors large portions of the internet. In addition the history of Germany is demonized in the educational institutions, with ordinary Germans unwilling to show a hint of patriotism.

    For all intents and purposes, Germany is an authoritarian state. And most Germans like it that way. The four big parties believe basically the exact same thing, and the two opposition parties are spied on by the intelligence agencies. There’s a welfare state, but large corporations are closely intertwined with government and rarely cause for alarm.

  17. 216 says:
    @Feryl
    In addition, much fuel for radical Leftism in the 60's came from unruly and free blacks. Since Reagan, we've locked many of these people up, insuring that most of today's older blacks are the ones who stayed out of prison/didn't get shot up in a stupid dispute. Of course, older free blacks are also heavily female (many, many Boomer and X-er black males are in prison or dead).

    Who knew that in addition to suppressing crime, mass incarceration would also remove fuel for radical political fire?

    Also, I think we can see why X-er and Boomer blacks don't care about Centrist support for mass incarceration; currently older and free blacks feel glad to be where they are at, and just don't have much sympathy for the blacks who "didn't make it" in the 80's and 90's. It's relatively benign Millennials, of all races, who have no interest in "tough on crime" policies which they feel are a crack war era relic. Lifting up modern youth from the burden of college debt and over-zealous law enforcement appeal to young people but older generations couldn't care less.

    Younger blacks don’t take political cues from the ministry, which has generally been loath to embrace the Poz in the way that white mainline Protestants clerics did.

    Blacks use social media at higher rates than whites, due to their precariat/NEET rates being higher. This helps to fuel radicalism, and also tends to particularly scare white women into Woke. So-called “Black Twitter” routinely engages in the “targeted harassment” that gets our people banned.

    Older blacks are still tied to the ministry, which the GOP has stopped trying to court since the Katrina debacle. “Conservative” blacks don’t really exist, but there are black moderates that are difficult for the GOP to reach for much of the same reason they struggle with moderates of other races.

  18. As an aside, just 19% of Trump voters want to see legal immigration increased, the president’s calls for increasing it notwithstanding.

    If someone had told the Indian tribes in 1300 0r 1400 that in 1492 an invasion would commence in 1492 that would see them destroyed … do you think they would have united and imported some Chinese to help boost their intelligence so they could fend off the invasion?

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.

    Of course, making it easier for white people to have babies (by providing better jobs) is a good start but maybe they don’t have the several generations it would take …

    Just a thought …

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics …

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics …
     
    Without those low-IQ demographics, literally ALL of our major social and fiscal problems would vanish.
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    Whites are too genetically distant to think about in-group dynamics like that without something serious going on (only thing i can see short of targeted war is blunt anti-white reparations)


    To quote the based Steve Sailer (some more)

    Actually, the vast Bantu Expansion means most sub-Saharan Africans are fairly genetically homogeneous. Harvard geneticist David Reich wrote: "…the frequencies of mutations in groups in Nigeria and in Zambia are more similar than the frequencies of mutations in Germany and Italy"

    http://magaimg.net/img/8a4y.jpg
    , @Rosie

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.
     
    Hmmm. I don't think it works that way. If you have to import foreigners o keep your country, you've clearly already lost it.
  19. @Peripatetic Commenter


    As an aside, just 19% of Trump voters want to see legal immigration increased, the president’s calls for increasing it notwithstanding.

     

    If someone had told the Indian tribes in 1300 0r 1400 that in 1492 an invasion would commence in 1492 that would see them destroyed ... do you think they would have united and imported some Chinese to help boost their intelligence so they could fend off the invasion?

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.

    Of course, making it easier for white people to have babies (by providing better jobs) is a good start but maybe they don't have the several generations it would take ...

    Just a thought ...

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics ...

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics …

    Without those low-IQ demographics, literally ALL of our major social and fiscal problems would vanish.

    • Replies: @216
    High IQ is not a free lunch though, it brings depression and low fertility. In the Ice Age conditions it helps, but on an industrial battlefield it isn't much help versus those tooling in the factories back home. In a welfare state dependent on endless coolie labor, its even more worthless by encouraging K at the expense of r.
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    Cries in a combination of U.N sub-Saharan African population projections, the regions increasing desired fertility rates, lack of socioeconomic progress in the region associated with similar projects in Asia/Latin America, predicted very negative climate change impact on food there, pew research study on desired emigration rates by West Africans, and add a nice little boe of genetic testing showing that we might as well be two races Sub-Saharan African and the rest


    And a lack of a fucking wall to even try to stop it

    We can only hope they either kill themselves at the border or we leave the nation and establish territory we can muster while we can.
  20. Blacks don’t just use social media more, they use it far more frequently to view political news and will go after views they disagree with (whites will not)
    http://magaimg.net/img/8a0u.jpg

    Now is it no wonder that the fragile high social media use white devoid of the in-group mentality of nonwhites has begun to become as radical if not more so than blacks on racial resentment.

    Either way looking at party registration numbers of youth/turnout you conclude that with Gen Z: The future of America electorate is black

    Turnout and official voter registration from

    North Carolina (2013) – 16-17 pre-registration at 27% (worth mentioning same rate for the states 21-22 year olds now)

    Georgia (2015) – 40-43% if we go by 18 to 21 year olds, which is up from the 30% total they sat at in 2012

    Louisiana (2015) – 46% of registered 18 year olds are black, up from the 30% of electorate they represent

    Florida (2018) – 18% of Gen Z registered is black (+5) but black women vote more

  21. 216 says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics …
     
    Without those low-IQ demographics, literally ALL of our major social and fiscal problems would vanish.

    High IQ is not a free lunch though, it brings depression and low fertility. In the Ice Age conditions it helps, but on an industrial battlefield it isn’t much help versus those tooling in the factories back home. In a welfare state dependent on endless coolie labor, its even more worthless by encouraging K at the expense of r.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    High IQ is the only thing that makes an industrial battlefield POSSIBLE!  Or industry, period.
  22. @Mr. Rational

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics …
     
    Without those low-IQ demographics, literally ALL of our major social and fiscal problems would vanish.

    Cries in a combination of U.N sub-Saharan African population projections, the regions increasing desired fertility rates, lack of socioeconomic progress in the region associated with similar projects in Asia/Latin America, predicted very negative climate change impact on food there, pew research study on desired emigration rates by West Africans, and add a nice little boe of genetic testing showing that we might as well be two races Sub-Saharan African and the rest

    And a lack of a fucking wall to even try to stop it

    We can only hope they either kill themselves at the border or we leave the nation and establish territory we can muster while we can.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    And a lack of a fucking wall to even try to stop it
     
    The will is there.  It was manifest in Jim Crow, sundown towns and restrictive covenants.

    That will has been ruthlessly repressed by certain forces.  But it is not gone; it is implicit in "White flight" and the demand for "good schools".  It will emerge explicitly as soon as the repressors lose their power.  The repressors better hope that doesn't require the loss of their lives, because that is definitely on the table.
  23. @Peripatetic Commenter


    As an aside, just 19% of Trump voters want to see legal immigration increased, the president’s calls for increasing it notwithstanding.

     

    If someone had told the Indian tribes in 1300 0r 1400 that in 1492 an invasion would commence in 1492 that would see them destroyed ... do you think they would have united and imported some Chinese to help boost their intelligence so they could fend off the invasion?

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.

    Of course, making it easier for white people to have babies (by providing better jobs) is a good start but maybe they don't have the several generations it would take ...

    Just a thought ...

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics ...

    Whites are too genetically distant to think about in-group dynamics like that without something serious going on (only thing i can see short of targeted war is blunt anti-white reparations)

    To quote the based Steve Sailer (some more)

    Actually, the vast Bantu Expansion means most sub-Saharan Africans are fairly genetically homogeneous. Harvard geneticist David Reich wrote: “…the frequencies of mutations in groups in Nigeria and in Zambia are more similar than the frequencies of mutations in Germany and Italy”

  24. I don’t get why blacks would even be upset by the direction of the country, they’re absolutely going to get reparations now.

  25. @216
    High IQ is not a free lunch though, it brings depression and low fertility. In the Ice Age conditions it helps, but on an industrial battlefield it isn't much help versus those tooling in the factories back home. In a welfare state dependent on endless coolie labor, its even more worthless by encouraging K at the expense of r.

    High IQ is the only thing that makes an industrial battlefield POSSIBLE!  Or industry, period.

  26. @Oblivionrecurs
    Cries in a combination of U.N sub-Saharan African population projections, the regions increasing desired fertility rates, lack of socioeconomic progress in the region associated with similar projects in Asia/Latin America, predicted very negative climate change impact on food there, pew research study on desired emigration rates by West Africans, and add a nice little boe of genetic testing showing that we might as well be two races Sub-Saharan African and the rest


    And a lack of a fucking wall to even try to stop it

    We can only hope they either kill themselves at the border or we leave the nation and establish territory we can muster while we can.

    And a lack of a fucking wall to even try to stop it

    The will is there.  It was manifest in Jim Crow, sundown towns and restrictive covenants.

    That will has been ruthlessly repressed by certain forces.  But it is not gone; it is implicit in “White flight” and the demand for “good schools”.  It will emerge explicitly as soon as the repressors lose their power.  The repressors better hope that doesn’t require the loss of their lives, because that is definitely on the table.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    War is hell and I think we should do everything possible to avoid it.

    I don't even think Euros have it in them anymore, exhibit A being South Africa. They'll literally die before fighting back if fighting back makes them racist.
  27. @216
    Contd:

    This is the best example I've provided on why we need to "self-deplatform". The mere presence of the far-right levies an emotional toll on the other side, which translates into "harassment" and "violence".

    The only way to win is to not play. Get off of Big Social, the several hudred people that showed up in Charlottesville should retire from politics. If you are clueless enough to run an SPLC-tagged hate group, shut it down.

    Some Boomers want to portray her as this clueless showhorse. But she's not, in no uncertain terms she is the most popular Democrat in the country, and she will either be the next Speaker, or be the kingmaker.

    None of us should want to be in her gunsights.

    Peace.

    • LOL: 216, iffen
  28. This was interesting:

    ‘…Net appetite for more legal immigration–calculated by taking percentages who want more and subtracting from it percentages who want less–by race/ethnicity and partisan affiliation:

    Whites: 0
    Blacks: +4
    Hispanics: – 5
    Others: +6…

    Hispanics are most opposed to further immigration. I suppose that’s because it’s the Hispanics who are already here who are most directly threatened by newcomers. First, they’re competing for the same jobs, and second, the more come, the more likely there is to be a backlash.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Interestingly enough a recent study showed native born Latinos *are* assimilated, but a highly salient stream of Latino migrants re-racializes even native born and English dominant Latinos.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager

    they’re competing for the same jobs
     
    Still buying the "they're all coming here to work really, really hard" myth, are we?
  29. @Colin Wright
    This was interesting:

    '...Net appetite for more legal immigration–calculated by taking percentages who want more and subtracting from it percentages who want less–by race/ethnicity and partisan affiliation:

    Whites: 0
    Blacks: +4
    Hispanics: – 5
    Others: +6...


    Hispanics are most opposed to further immigration. I suppose that's because it's the Hispanics who are already here who are most directly threatened by newcomers. First, they're competing for the same jobs, and second, the more come, the more likely there is to be a backlash.

    Interestingly enough a recent study showed native born Latinos *are* assimilated, but a highly salient stream of Latino migrants re-racializes even native born and English dominant Latinos.

  30. @Achmed E. Newman
    A) A stopped clock can be right once or twice a day. Do the -48 %-points by Blacks on the "off-track" opinion mean that they all know about the problem with the FED, the forced low interest rates, the $23,000,000,000,000 debt and the coming demise of the Dollar that will blow up the economy soon enough? Naaaahhhh!

    B) That's a bad question on the Iran thing. "Unfriendly"? Well, yeah, they're not friendly to us, whether you blame them or not. No wonder the numbers are near 100%. Was "unfriendly" split up from "an enemy", A.E., or was the question just like it's worded above? The table below this bar graph is a lot better.

    C) Yeah, the clock is still stuck on stupid O'clock. Immigration of all sorts, but especially of the illegal aliens that have taken so many blue-collar jobs, has been terrible for black people. Does anyone remember Barbara Jordan. I guess the 1990's were long, long ago in a country far far away.

    D) I don't care about NY City one bit, but that's a bit of good news. Do you remember when even New Yorkers derided Communism? It was just after the Cold War had ended, and even the lefties making TV shows agreed it had been a disaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBOJ33FFDLA

    It seems remarkable how few people understand what will matter most in November 2020, and probably well before that, is the state of the economy. I know the normalcy basis among Americans is always strong, but do people really think 2008-9 can’t come again? Hell, a repeat is long overdue.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm not worried so much about 2008/9, O.O., so much as another 1929 but without the hard-working robust, mostly rural, and independent Americans that existed back then. It's gonna be a SHTF situation at some point. No, I don't have a timetable. The last time I predicted when is when I reckoned about 2015!
    , @Feryl
    George HW Bush was really hurt in 1991 by the early 90's recession; the no new taxes meme obviously didn't help. Plus the Gulf War was cute and all, but we knew the Cold War was ending and not coming back, just like how Nirvana and Pearl Jam were signalling that Boomer style rock was ending and not coming back.

    Being that Trump ran as a revolutionary, it's fair to say that he won't be rejected as a dull also-ran by the public, like GHW Bush was(a de facto fourth term for Reagan? No thanks.)
  31. @Colin Wright
    This was interesting:

    '...Net appetite for more legal immigration–calculated by taking percentages who want more and subtracting from it percentages who want less–by race/ethnicity and partisan affiliation:

    Whites: 0
    Blacks: +4
    Hispanics: – 5
    Others: +6...


    Hispanics are most opposed to further immigration. I suppose that's because it's the Hispanics who are already here who are most directly threatened by newcomers. First, they're competing for the same jobs, and second, the more come, the more likely there is to be a backlash.

    they’re competing for the same jobs

    Still buying the “they’re all coming here to work really, really hard” myth, are we?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Still buying the “they’re all coming here to work really, really hard” myth, are we?'

    I don't see why I shouldn't buy it. At least in the case of Asians, Central Americans, and Mexicans, the 'myth' happens to be largely true.

    Therein, actually, lies part of the problem. It doesn't improve matters for the bottom tiers of our society if there are more people competing for what jobs remain that are within their skill set.

    , @Jay Fink
    A lot of Hispanics do work and have a good work ethic. Many, especially the newer immigrants, do jobs whites don't want to do such as working in the fields or meatpacking. The thing is they can both work and collect welfare handouts, especially if they have kids. So they get paid a lot more than they would in Mexico or central America plus they get free food each month and other government goodies. Of course they are happy and think we are on the right track. Each day I am surrounded by large groups of Hispanics and lower class whites and it is very clear and obvious to me that Hispanics are the happier out of the two.
  32. @216
    Contd:

    This is the best example I've provided on why we need to "self-deplatform". The mere presence of the far-right levies an emotional toll on the other side, which translates into "harassment" and "violence".

    The only way to win is to not play. Get off of Big Social, the several hudred people that showed up in Charlottesville should retire from politics. If you are clueless enough to run an SPLC-tagged hate group, shut it down.

    Some Boomers want to portray her as this clueless showhorse. But she's not, in no uncertain terms she is the most popular Democrat in the country, and she will either be the next Speaker, or be the kingmaker.

    None of us should want to be in her gunsights.

    She’s talking tough, you better run buddy.

  33. @Oblivionrecurs
    Every time i see a Harris rally it screams these are the demographics you want for a sudden victory in a divide dem primary (black and older white women show up to her southern rallies and even some good polling evidence out of college whites )

    I 100% get a Gillum nomination vibe scenario. No contested convention either.


    That or Biden via contested convention

    “That or Biden via contested convention”

    It’s always amused me that the Dems have no taste for democracy in their own affairs.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Having been exposed to leftist circles, they'll almost literally rip each other apart for the most mundane trivial things and many do not value the "proletariat/communist "democracy" they claim to uphold.

    They're never honest about it either
  34. @216
    Wignats BTFO

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1142873623377694722

    We are staring down a gun barrel with a caliber of "proscription".

    Manners matter

    Stop being an idiot purity spiral

    Meanwhile, she supporters a literal Apartheid state (Israel). Her ‘radicalism’ is out of the window as soon as it begins to encroach on the interests of the jewish democrat donors. AOC is a massive fraud.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Why buy the AOC bullshit?

    She's not FDR, JFK, etc.

    Her name is Sandy Cortez.

    She's a bartender running for an office it would be illegal for her to occupy.

  35. @Oleaginous Outrager

    they’re competing for the same jobs
     
    Still buying the "they're all coming here to work really, really hard" myth, are we?

    ‘Still buying the “they’re all coming here to work really, really hard” myth, are we?’

    I don’t see why I shouldn’t buy it. At least in the case of Asians, Central Americans, and Mexicans, the ‘myth’ happens to be largely true.

    Therein, actually, lies part of the problem. It doesn’t improve matters for the bottom tiers of our society if there are more people competing for what jobs remain that are within their skill set.

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    If so many are coming here to "do the jobs Americans won't do", what exactly is the impetus for calling them "refugees"? The naked appeal to native self interest ("Without them, strawberries would cost $5 EACH!") has worked for quite some time, why the change?

    'Largely true' for Asians? Maybe, but that's not the motivation for many of the latest mainland Chinese: they're looking for a bolthole. For Mexicans? Not as much as it once was, since many of them will no longer tolerate doing the worst and lowest paying jobs when there's plenty of 'aid' available. As for the Central Americans, it was never true. They've always been the "the wretched refuse of your teeming shore", "the homeless, tempest-tost" by bad governance seeking asylum.
    , @Feryl
    It's like a parent deciding that he prefers some one else's child because his own kid is lacking talent or motivation.

    Well, the natives of this country are owed some respect, just like how a parent ought to be respectful toward his own children.
  36. @Thulean Friend
    Meanwhile, she supporters a literal Apartheid state (Israel). Her 'radicalism' is out of the window as soon as it begins to encroach on the interests of the jewish democrat donors. AOC is a massive fraud.

    Why buy the AOC bullshit?

    She’s not FDR, JFK, etc.

    Her name is Sandy Cortez.

    She’s a bartender running for an office it would be illegal for her to occupy.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    A) A stopped clock can be right once or twice a day. Do the -48 %-points by Blacks on the "off-track" opinion mean that they all know about the problem with the FED, the forced low interest rates, the $23,000,000,000,000 debt and the coming demise of the Dollar that will blow up the economy soon enough? Naaaahhhh!

    B) That's a bad question on the Iran thing. "Unfriendly"? Well, yeah, they're not friendly to us, whether you blame them or not. No wonder the numbers are near 100%. Was "unfriendly" split up from "an enemy", A.E., or was the question just like it's worded above? The table below this bar graph is a lot better.

    C) Yeah, the clock is still stuck on stupid O'clock. Immigration of all sorts, but especially of the illegal aliens that have taken so many blue-collar jobs, has been terrible for black people. Does anyone remember Barbara Jordan. I guess the 1990's were long, long ago in a country far far away.

    D) I don't care about NY City one bit, but that's a bit of good news. Do you remember when even New Yorkers derided Communism? It was just after the Cold War had ended, and even the lefties making TV shows agreed it had been a disaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBOJ33FFDLA

    Not doing anything about the $23 trillion and growing debt is something both major parties agree on. An empty political niche that needs to be filled is what Steve Sailer once called “Green Eyeshade Conservatism”. This would be a conservatism that believes in low spending, balanced budget and shrinking the welfare state. Shrinking the welfare state would include ending government policies that make the rich richer. I don’t usually agree with Bernie Sanders but he was correct when he said the 2008 Wall Street bailout was socialism for rich people.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, Mark, Bernie Sanders understands some of the problems, such as this Socialism for rich people., but his solutions always involve MORE government, kind of insane, if you think about it, and he sure looks the part, too!

    I don't remember (or never read) Mr. Sailer's posts on the "Green Eyeshade Conservatism", although Peak Stupidity has used the term before. I just don't recall Steve Sailer, along with a majority of his commenters (plenty of exceptions, of course) seeming to understand how important our precarious economic situation will be. To them, it's minor compared to the immigration invasion and cultural rot. It's all gonna get settled together at Peak Stupidity.

    I don't think the alt-right can even understand Green Eyeshade Conservatism, and they deride it as unimportant and a distraction. They seem to have a hard time relating economics to the social situation, though, in fact, the welfare state and big government have been the direct cause of all the problems they are rightfully mad about.
    , @dvorak

    An empty political niche that needs to be filled is what Steve Sailer once called “Green Eyeshade Conservatism”
     
    Boomer, the point is that the Libertarian quadrant is chock-full of pundits, politicians and billionaires while being devoid of voters.

    Thus it is the opposite of a "niche that needs to be filled." It is the most over-served quadrant. The Sailer strategy to renounce the Libertarian quadrant, in order to win votes and elections. The Sailer corollary is to use relief from high tariffs to fund the GOP with corporate money after it loses its billionaires.

  38. @Bill Jones
    "That or Biden via contested convention"

    It's always amused me that the Dems have no taste for democracy in their own affairs.

    Having been exposed to leftist circles, they’ll almost literally rip each other apart for the most mundane trivial things and many do not value the “proletariat/communist “democracy” they claim to uphold.

    They’re never honest about it either

  39. The country is not going to vote democratic, unless something drastic occurs. I don’t buy the Fox fear mongering numbers. The democrats are not going to recover as long as the economy appears healthy even if real terms, it is not. Unless there’s a protracted conflict or some adventure goes decidely wrong.

    The wiliness of the this president means his situational leadership style still has plenty of wiggle room.

  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    A) A stopped clock can be right once or twice a day. Do the -48 %-points by Blacks on the "off-track" opinion mean that they all know about the problem with the FED, the forced low interest rates, the $23,000,000,000,000 debt and the coming demise of the Dollar that will blow up the economy soon enough? Naaaahhhh!

    B) That's a bad question on the Iran thing. "Unfriendly"? Well, yeah, they're not friendly to us, whether you blame them or not. No wonder the numbers are near 100%. Was "unfriendly" split up from "an enemy", A.E., or was the question just like it's worded above? The table below this bar graph is a lot better.

    C) Yeah, the clock is still stuck on stupid O'clock. Immigration of all sorts, but especially of the illegal aliens that have taken so many blue-collar jobs, has been terrible for black people. Does anyone remember Barbara Jordan. I guess the 1990's were long, long ago in a country far far away.

    D) I don't care about NY City one bit, but that's a bit of good news. Do you remember when even New Yorkers derided Communism? It was just after the Cold War had ended, and even the lefties making TV shows agreed it had been a disaster.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBOJ33FFDLA

    48% of the total sample–and 19% of the “not sure” are excluded from the graph I made–say Iran is an “enemy” compared to 29% that say it is merely “unfriendly”. So a majority of those who expressed an opinion explicitly say Iran is an enemy of the US.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks for the info, A.E. Again, I know you don't make these poll questions, but I think the display would mean more if you did just leave out the whole "unfriendly"-believing contingent. As I wrote, it is a pretty vague word, and not everyone on the street (OK, wherever they answer this poll) thinks of that word in military or wonky terms. To me, yeah, OK, maybe Iran is not a friendly place for Americans (same for Paris, France - the people are known to be snooty - see what I mean?)

    I don't know what term I'd use instead, so perhaps this question should have been worded by the pollsters in that standard way, as "Iran is an enemy of the U.S.": STRONGLY AGREE - SOMEWHAT AGREE - DON'T KNOW - SOMEWHAT DISAGREE - STRONGLY DISAGREE.

    Anyway, you put a lot of good data up here, so pardon my nitpicking. This particular one, with the bars up to the roof, doesn't mean much, except to neocons who could point out how strong our "Bomb Iran" feelings are.

    .

    Oh, and THANK YOU for starting the y-axis at 0!
  41. @Oblivionrecurs
    They know they're next in line to replace Latins as the primary source of illegal immigrants

    You know just with 4 billion people and that's only from one region of the continent.

    Right. As we careen toward 4 billion Africans over the next 80 years, a lot of them are going to try to leave. Think a president Kamala Harris with an AOC speaker of the House is going to 1) stop them, or 2) welcome them?

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    We can only hope that America unites (or the separate entities) against what would quite literally be a massive unprecedented hoard. I'd personally doubt even American blacks would want to deal with rural rabble from say Tanzania or Nigeria
  42. @216
    Wignats BTFO

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1142873623377694722

    We are staring down a gun barrel with a caliber of "proscription".

    Manners matter

    Stop being an idiot purity spiral

    Great, a congresswoman insinuating that a group of people–the boundaries of said group up to her to determine–should be murdered by the state. This is indeed how insurgencies start. This is extremely irresponsible of her.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "This is extremely irresponsible of her."
     
    Only if her side loses.

    If her side wins, then she'll be a hero.

    Perusing the local, national and global media, I'd say she has strong support and her odds are good.
    , @Corvinus
    "This is indeed how insurgencies start. This is extremely irresponsible of her."

    The fight should have begun a long time ago, but the armchair warriors here at this fine site, with their own "toxic mix of cognitive vapidity and vengeful bloodlust", just talk and seem to wait for a more opportune moment.
  43. @216
    Contd:

    This is the best example I've provided on why we need to "self-deplatform". The mere presence of the far-right levies an emotional toll on the other side, which translates into "harassment" and "violence".

    The only way to win is to not play. Get off of Big Social, the several hudred people that showed up in Charlottesville should retire from politics. If you are clueless enough to run an SPLC-tagged hate group, shut it down.

    Some Boomers want to portray her as this clueless showhorse. But she's not, in no uncertain terms she is the most popular Democrat in the country, and she will either be the next Speaker, or be the kingmaker.

    None of us should want to be in her gunsights.

    She is a weather vane, but she’s still too early. Simply put, she is Trump’s single best chance at reelection. He should make whoever the Dem nominee is agree with or disavow her tweets/comments.

    She scares the shit out of boomers. The idea that someone with such a toxic mix of cognitive vapidity and vengeful bloodlust could be in a real position of authority is a great motivator against the left.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    And she'll be pretty poisoning to men turnout and won't bring home the black women voters like someone like Harris or Biden could.
  44. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    “I don’t see why I shouldn’t buy it. At least in the case of Asians, Central Americans, and Mexicans, the ‘myth’ happens to be largely true.”

    You’ve misrepresented what that poster was attempting to say. The myth “of coming here to work hard” commonly entails “coming here to make a better life for themselves and make America a better place in the process”. The latter part is definitely not true, so who cares if they work hard or not? America isn’t any better off since the demographics changed. It is a mean, hateful place with declining social trust and ever fewer restraints on government abuse; the elite pit groups against each other in order to keep their wealth to themselves while continually upping the ante in terms of “otherizing” whites – usually with the tacit support of the police state and its various third party speech police proxies (the ADL, SPLC, … ); corporations are greedier than ever; our entertainment industry sucks and makes nothing new because white males are disinterested or disenfranchised; drug companies extort the public with insane price increases; the neocons demand we destroy Iran at the cost of thousands of dead “Americans”; the elite incite POC to burn our statues while blaming us for all their self-inflicted problems. Much less of that would be possible with the demographics of 1960.

  45. @Audacious Epigone
    She is a weather vane, but she's still too early. Simply put, she is Trump's single best chance at reelection. He should make whoever the Dem nominee is agree with or disavow her tweets/comments.

    She scares the shit out of boomers. The idea that someone with such a toxic mix of cognitive vapidity and vengeful bloodlust could be in a real position of authority is a great motivator against the left.

    And she’ll be pretty poisoning to men turnout and won’t bring home the black women voters like someone like Harris or Biden could.

  46. @Audacious Epigone
    Right. As we careen toward 4 billion Africans over the next 80 years, a lot of them are going to try to leave. Think a president Kamala Harris with an AOC speaker of the House is going to 1) stop them, or 2) welcome them?

    We can only hope that America unites (or the separate entities) against what would quite literally be a massive unprecedented hoard. I’d personally doubt even American blacks would want to deal with rural rabble from say Tanzania or Nigeria

  47. @Mr. Rational

    And a lack of a fucking wall to even try to stop it
     
    The will is there.  It was manifest in Jim Crow, sundown towns and restrictive covenants.

    That will has been ruthlessly repressed by certain forces.  But it is not gone; it is implicit in "White flight" and the demand for "good schools".  It will emerge explicitly as soon as the repressors lose their power.  The repressors better hope that doesn't require the loss of their lives, because that is definitely on the table.

    War is hell and I think we should do everything possible to avoid it.

    I don’t even think Euros have it in them anymore, exhibit A being South Africa. They’ll literally die before fighting back if fighting back makes them racist.

    • Replies: @216
    VF Plus went from 4 to 10 seats in the election this year. So there is something of a notional separatist revival among Afrikaners. The ANC appears to have lost support from the other two minority groups in SA, Colured and Indians.

    For reasons I still don't understand, the ANC has not passed the land confiscation amendment yet. They had the votes in the previous parliament, and in the new parliament. In the intial media frenzy last year, it was implied that roving mobs were awaiting a signal to begin the killings.

    My guess is that the ANC is hoping the EU will agree to pay compensation to the farmers. Ramaphosa will thus emerge as the "great peacemaker".
  48. Audacious:

    I think you did yourself a disservice by titling this post “De Blasio’s Approval Rating Negative Even Among Democrats“.

    I listlessly clicked the link expecting to be bored reading about a guy I don’t care about, but instead the post was a grab bag of interesting data nuggets, most of which could easily have stood on their own as a post under their own headline. (Also, it would have helped your commentors who are interested in one nugget but not another to have separate commenting threads.)

    Don’t let your stereotypical Midwestern modesty prevent you from showcasing the merit of your product in individual posts!

    On the other hand, if Ron is promising you some kind of bounty for accumulating a certain number of comments per post, well then, combine away. Far be it from me to mess with the boss’s incentives.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yes, A.M., it reminds me of John Derbyshire's monthly "diaries". Each one could be from 6 to 10 posts, but maybe Ron Unz doesn't like to have too many, bumping 1-day old ones off the main page (it's pretty crowded with links to articles already) It'd sure be easier to have a thread on one topic at a time.

    As to the incentive to get comments up, that could very well explain Fred Reed's articles in which he purposely denigrates his commenters and pretty much all things American. Whatever works for him, I suppose.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Ha, thanks very much for the kind words. I worked on it over a couple of days so it could have easily been broken up and probably should've been. My thought process was that the poll was a single subject with lots of interesting avenues therein.

    Ron takes a totally hands-off approach.
  49. This actually is related to the topic, DeBlasio has probably been the most prominent leader in the country that wants to get rid of exams (high school).

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Ya know the "you have to go back" meme applied to recent Americans? Perhaps we need to start a "you have to leave campus" meme applied to doofuses on campus, too.

    DeBlasio, besides the obvious PC, is also trying to appeal to the yuppie/striver mentality that "hard work" and "education" are as important as inherent talent. Back in the lower-key 1930's thru 70's, we just accepted that a handful of people are naturally better than everyone else, and left it at that.
  50. @anon
    "I’m pretty sure Warren’s going to be the nominee."

    That would scare a lot of the economic ruling class. Expect many of Gary Johnson's voters (and Mitt Romney types) to come over to Trump in that case. He'd get maybe 61% of the white vote while depressing just enough of the minority vote to get by. Trump should hope Joe Biden has a senior moment in one of these debates. Biden doesn't seem as sharp as he used to be in the 2008 and 2012 debates.

    "Howard Schultz"

    I sort of feel sorry for the guy. I think he honestly tried to do right by POC, from a naive SWPL point of view, but ended up outing himself as a rich and successful white male, enraging the envious POC segment of society in the process. I think the best policy in regards to POC is to ignore this group as much as possible; don't pander to their interests, don't give them anything, don't talk about them, don't include them in your products and works of art ... just mind your own business. These are fundamentally ungrateful people who'll turn on "The Other" the first chance they get.

    "De Blasio hated"

    Why? Do they hate him because he's a pandering, but successful, white male, stoking POC envy and resentment (Howard Schultz)? Or do they hate him because the NYC media, controlled by a hypocritical elite that's more than happy to practice diversity for thee but not for me, tells them to because it's in their interests (school integration by lowering requirements)?

    "Once again Blacks do everything in their power to smite whites. Even as they get ethnically cleansed."

    I honestly hate to say this, but you're right. They are a curse on this nation - worse than any other group: racist, envious, unproductive, jealous, spiteful, unappreciative, short-sighted, uncultured, stupid, incurious ...

    "just 19% of Trump voters want to see legal immigration increased, the president’s calls for increasing it notwithstanding"

    Yet another indication the two parties are run by oligarchs for oligarchs. Thus, we get Charlie Kirk's billionaire funded TPUSA claiming "We don't oppose immigration, just illegal immigration." No buddy, WE oppose immigration period, and for good reason. The Kochs and Mercers may want mass immigration, but we just want our country back. Fat chance of ever hearing that from TPUSA.

    "The top five candidates under consideration by the coveted black vote"

    2 of 5 are black. One, despite being white, was the black president's number two. The white lady is vocally for wealth theft from whites and transfers to blacks (reparations). The other white guy is a socialist who, despite promoting economic policies that would be better for that demographic than anything offered by his rivals, doen't get higher than 3. I hate to say this, but that demographic seems to only care about race loyalty to their demographic, not complex policy issues like heath care - and certainly not anything that benefits all Americans instead of just their group. They are truly a divisive element that ruins our politics. If they were all sent back to Africa overnight, social trust in this country would skyrocket, along with the economy as whites poured back into the cities. Our politics would get better without a dedicated black vote as democrats were forced to start caring about normal people again; that would mean deplatforming the racial grievance mongers on the left. The culture would also get much better as normies became the primary audience for movies, and they demand higher quality products.

    If they were all sent back to Africa overnight, social trust in this country would skyrocket, along with the economy as whites poured back into the cities.

    Africa is optional; gone is mandatory.  Wherever and however they were gone, our cities would be habitable again.

    When the fecal matter hits the rotating impeller, values of “gone” will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Absent Mad Max-style collapse, whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out. They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.
  51. @Oblivionrecurs
    Wonder what the Jews think (by age) considering the recent take of migrant detention centers are another shoah

    Who GAF about what they think?

  52. 216 says:

    I wanted to post “AOC BTFO” by the Holocaust museum,

    But that isn’t a reliable description, her hate mob barks louder.

    Mr. Katz,

    https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/ministry_of_aliyah_and_integration

    Put your actions where your worthless fearmongering mouth is. If you hate my culture that much, a country dominated by your co-ethnics exists with 200 nuclear weapons for protection.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    If Jews end up in camps, it won't be because conservative white Christians put them there!
  53. @Audacious Epigone
    Great, a congresswoman insinuating that a group of people--the boundaries of said group up to her to determine--should be murdered by the state. This is indeed how insurgencies start. This is extremely irresponsible of her.

    “This is extremely irresponsible of her.”

    Only if her side loses.

    If her side wins, then she’ll be a hero.

    Perusing the local, national and global media, I’d say she has strong support and her odds are good.

  54. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    War is hell and I think we should do everything possible to avoid it.

    I don't even think Euros have it in them anymore, exhibit A being South Africa. They'll literally die before fighting back if fighting back makes them racist.

    VF Plus went from 4 to 10 seats in the election this year. So there is something of a notional separatist revival among Afrikaners. The ANC appears to have lost support from the other two minority groups in SA, Colured and Indians.

    For reasons I still don’t understand, the ANC has not passed the land confiscation amendment yet. They had the votes in the previous parliament, and in the new parliament. In the intial media frenzy last year, it was implied that roving mobs were awaiting a signal to begin the killings.

    My guess is that the ANC is hoping the EU will agree to pay compensation to the farmers. Ramaphosa will thus emerge as the “great peacemaker”.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    How many of the farmers will leave with compensation? Many of them will not. Their relationship with the land--the specific land in question--often goes back centuries. It's not going to end well there, I'm afraid.
  55. “The black ideal is not typically entreprenurial, blacks are the least entreprenurial of all racial groups . . .”

    Given the history, that is that they started from nothing and were more often than not denied even that, I find this a dubious claim.

    • Replies: @216
    https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/race-and-entrepreneurial-success

    Black-owned business was (notionally) higher in the segregation era, as they had a protected market.

    We've had almost a half century of A/A and set-asides in contracting. But blacks are rather risk averse, given some historical reasons. This also why they are less effective at retirement planning even when accounting for income level.

    I would presume that African immigrants are much more likely to be entrepreneurs, vis-a-vis immigrants of other origins I am not aware.

    ---

    Blacks have the least stable families, and weak extended families. This makes it harder for them to run urban bodegas in the fashion that Asian immigrants do. The bodega is only profitable in many cases because the owner and his extended family are working 80 hours, and not taking much in pay.
  56. @Peripatetic Commenter


    As an aside, just 19% of Trump voters want to see legal immigration increased, the president’s calls for increasing it notwithstanding.

     

    If someone had told the Indian tribes in 1300 0r 1400 that in 1492 an invasion would commence in 1492 that would see them destroyed ... do you think they would have united and imported some Chinese to help boost their intelligence so they could fend off the invasion?

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.

    Of course, making it easier for white people to have babies (by providing better jobs) is a good start but maybe they don't have the several generations it would take ...

    Just a thought ...

    Of course, we could do without certain low IQ demographics ...

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.

    Hmmm. I don’t think it works that way. If you have to import foreigners o keep your country, you’ve clearly already lost it.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @216
    "Populate or Perish" was a staple of Australian and Brazilian politics in the 20th century, and part of Argentine politics in the 19th century.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Political dissolution is coming. We are long overdue for a divorce. Irreconcilable differences.
  57. 216 says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    "The black ideal is not typically entreprenurial, blacks are the least entreprenurial of all racial groups . . ."

    Given the history, that is that they started from nothing and were more often than not denied even that, I find this a dubious claim.

    https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/race-and-entrepreneurial-success

    Black-owned business was (notionally) higher in the segregation era, as they had a protected market.

    We’ve had almost a half century of A/A and set-asides in contracting. But blacks are rather risk averse, given some historical reasons. This also why they are less effective at retirement planning even when accounting for income level.

    I would presume that African immigrants are much more likely to be entrepreneurs, vis-a-vis immigrants of other origins I am not aware.

    Blacks have the least stable families, and weak extended families. This makes it harder for them to run urban bodegas in the fashion that Asian immigrants do. The bodega is only profitable in many cases because the owner and his extended family are working 80 hours, and not taking much in pay.

    • Replies: @Feryl

    Black-owned business was (notionally) higher in the segregation era, as they had a protected market.
     
    After AA was established in the 70's, we got the "talented tenth" syndrome, through which "good" blacks are moved into good jobs at multi-racial workplaces while generally living away from most all black areas.

    This has been a disaster for the black community, as their own best leaders no longer run institutions in the black community like they once did. They also are no longer present to keep watch in most black neighborhoods. In fact, at least among older blacks they'd rather that the least talented tenth end up behind bars than assume leadership over them.
  58. @Rosie

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.
     
    Hmmm. I don't think it works that way. If you have to import foreigners o keep your country, you've clearly already lost it.

    “Populate or Perish” was a staple of Australian and Brazilian politics in the 20th century, and part of Argentine politics in the 19th century.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Arguably, Australia importing British was a population shift within the boundaries of a single national territory.  Pakis and Eritreans... now that is importing from other nations.
  59. @Colin Wright
    'Still buying the “they’re all coming here to work really, really hard” myth, are we?'

    I don't see why I shouldn't buy it. At least in the case of Asians, Central Americans, and Mexicans, the 'myth' happens to be largely true.

    Therein, actually, lies part of the problem. It doesn't improve matters for the bottom tiers of our society if there are more people competing for what jobs remain that are within their skill set.

    If so many are coming here to “do the jobs Americans won’t do”, what exactly is the impetus for calling them “refugees”? The naked appeal to native self interest (“Without them, strawberries would cost $5 EACH!”) has worked for quite some time, why the change?

    ‘Largely true’ for Asians? Maybe, but that’s not the motivation for many of the latest mainland Chinese: they’re looking for a bolthole. For Mexicans? Not as much as it once was, since many of them will no longer tolerate doing the worst and lowest paying jobs when there’s plenty of ‘aid’ available. As for the Central Americans, it was never true. They’ve always been the “the wretched refuse of your teeming shore”, “the homeless, tempest-tost” by bad governance seeking asylum.

  60. @Audacious Epigone
    48% of the total sample--and 19% of the "not sure" are excluded from the graph I made--say Iran is an "enemy" compared to 29% that say it is merely "unfriendly". So a majority of those who expressed an opinion explicitly say Iran is an enemy of the US.

    Thanks for the info, A.E. Again, I know you don’t make these poll questions, but I think the display would mean more if you did just leave out the whole “unfriendly”-believing contingent. As I wrote, it is a pretty vague word, and not everyone on the street (OK, wherever they answer this poll) thinks of that word in military or wonky terms. To me, yeah, OK, maybe Iran is not a friendly place for Americans (same for Paris, France – the people are known to be snooty – see what I mean?)

    I don’t know what term I’d use instead, so perhaps this question should have been worded by the pollsters in that standard way, as “Iran is an enemy of the U.S.”: STRONGLY AGREE – SOMEWHAT AGREE – DON’T KNOW – SOMEWHAT DISAGREE – STRONGLY DISAGREE.

    Anyway, you put a lot of good data up here, so pardon my nitpicking. This particular one, with the bars up to the roof, doesn’t mean much, except to neocons who could point out how strong our “Bomb Iran” feelings are.

    .

    Oh, and THANK YOU for starting the y-axis at 0!

  61. @Almost Missouri
    Audacious:

    I think you did yourself a disservice by titling this post "De Blasio's Approval Rating Negative Even Among Democrats".

    I listlessly clicked the link expecting to be bored reading about a guy I don't care about, but instead the post was a grab bag of interesting data nuggets, most of which could easily have stood on their own as a post under their own headline. (Also, it would have helped your commentors who are interested in one nugget but not another to have separate commenting threads.)

    Don't let your stereotypical Midwestern modesty prevent you from showcasing the merit of your product in individual posts!

    On the other hand, if Ron is promising you some kind of bounty for accumulating a certain number of comments per post, well then, combine away. Far be it from me to mess with the boss's incentives.

    Yes, A.M., it reminds me of John Derbyshire’s monthly “diaries”. Each one could be from 6 to 10 posts, but maybe Ron Unz doesn’t like to have too many, bumping 1-day old ones off the main page (it’s pretty crowded with links to articles already) It’d sure be easier to have a thread on one topic at a time.

    As to the incentive to get comments up, that could very well explain Fred Reed’s articles in which he purposely denigrates his commenters and pretty much all things American. Whatever works for him, I suppose.

  62. @216
    "Populate or Perish" was a staple of Australian and Brazilian politics in the 20th century, and part of Argentine politics in the 19th century.

    Arguably, Australia importing British was a population shift within the boundaries of a single national territory.  Pakis and Eritreans… now that is importing from other nations.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  63. @Mark G.
    Not doing anything about the $23 trillion and growing debt is something both major parties agree on. An empty political niche that needs to be filled is what Steve Sailer once called "Green Eyeshade Conservatism". This would be a conservatism that believes in low spending, balanced budget and shrinking the welfare state. Shrinking the welfare state would include ending government policies that make the rich richer. I don't usually agree with Bernie Sanders but he was correct when he said the 2008 Wall Street bailout was socialism for rich people.

    Yes, Mark, Bernie Sanders understands some of the problems, such as this Socialism for rich people., but his solutions always involve MORE government, kind of insane, if you think about it, and he sure looks the part, too!

    I don’t remember (or never read) Mr. Sailer’s posts on the “Green Eyeshade Conservatism”, although Peak Stupidity has used the term before. I just don’t recall Steve Sailer, along with a majority of his commenters (plenty of exceptions, of course) seeming to understand how important our precarious economic situation will be. To them, it’s minor compared to the immigration invasion and cultural rot. It’s all gonna get settled together at Peak Stupidity.

    I don’t think the alt-right can even understand Green Eyeshade Conservatism, and they deride it as unimportant and a distraction. They seem to have a hard time relating economics to the social situation, though, in fact, the welfare state and big government have been the direct cause of all the problems they are rightfully mad about.

  64. @Oleaginous Outrager
    It seems remarkable how few people understand what will matter most in November 2020, and probably well before that, is the state of the economy. I know the normalcy basis among Americans is always strong, but do people really think 2008-9 can't come again? Hell, a repeat is long overdue.

    I’m not worried so much about 2008/9, O.O., so much as another 1929 but without the hard-working robust, mostly rural, and independent Americans that existed back then. It’s gonna be a SHTF situation at some point. No, I don’t have a timetable. The last time I predicted when is when I reckoned about 2015!

  65. @Oleaginous Outrager

    they’re competing for the same jobs
     
    Still buying the "they're all coming here to work really, really hard" myth, are we?

    A lot of Hispanics do work and have a good work ethic. Many, especially the newer immigrants, do jobs whites don’t want to do such as working in the fields or meatpacking. The thing is they can both work and collect welfare handouts, especially if they have kids. So they get paid a lot more than they would in Mexico or central America plus they get free food each month and other government goodies. Of course they are happy and think we are on the right track. Each day I am surrounded by large groups of Hispanics and lower class whites and it is very clear and obvious to me that Hispanics are the happier out of the two.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  66. Parenthetically, of the over 300 respondents aged 65 or older–people old enough to remember the hostage crisis–not a single person considered Iran a friend or an ally.

    E. Michael Jones is the only Baby Boomer in America with any sympathy for the Iranian Revolution.

    May God soon grant us a final solution to the Boomer Question.

    • Replies: @iffen
    May God soon grant us a final solution to the Boomer Question.

    Quit your whinning and keep paying your FICA.
  67. @216
    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1143194596861763585

    This actually is related to the topic, DeBlasio has probably been the most prominent leader in the country that wants to get rid of exams (high school).

    Ya know the “you have to go back” meme applied to recent Americans? Perhaps we need to start a “you have to leave campus” meme applied to doofuses on campus, too.

    DeBlasio, besides the obvious PC, is also trying to appeal to the yuppie/striver mentality that “hard work” and “education” are as important as inherent talent. Back in the lower-key 1930’s thru 70’s, we just accepted that a handful of people are naturally better than everyone else, and left it at that.

  68. @216
    https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/race-and-entrepreneurial-success

    Black-owned business was (notionally) higher in the segregation era, as they had a protected market.

    We've had almost a half century of A/A and set-asides in contracting. But blacks are rather risk averse, given some historical reasons. This also why they are less effective at retirement planning even when accounting for income level.

    I would presume that African immigrants are much more likely to be entrepreneurs, vis-a-vis immigrants of other origins I am not aware.

    ---

    Blacks have the least stable families, and weak extended families. This makes it harder for them to run urban bodegas in the fashion that Asian immigrants do. The bodega is only profitable in many cases because the owner and his extended family are working 80 hours, and not taking much in pay.

    Black-owned business was (notionally) higher in the segregation era, as they had a protected market.

    After AA was established in the 70’s, we got the “talented tenth” syndrome, through which “good” blacks are moved into good jobs at multi-racial workplaces while generally living away from most all black areas.

    This has been a disaster for the black community, as their own best leaders no longer run institutions in the black community like they once did. They also are no longer present to keep watch in most black neighborhoods. In fact, at least among older blacks they’d rather that the least talented tenth end up behind bars than assume leadership over them.

  69. @Colin Wright
    'Still buying the “they’re all coming here to work really, really hard” myth, are we?'

    I don't see why I shouldn't buy it. At least in the case of Asians, Central Americans, and Mexicans, the 'myth' happens to be largely true.

    Therein, actually, lies part of the problem. It doesn't improve matters for the bottom tiers of our society if there are more people competing for what jobs remain that are within their skill set.

    It’s like a parent deciding that he prefers some one else’s child because his own kid is lacking talent or motivation.

    Well, the natives of this country are owed some respect, just like how a parent ought to be respectful toward his own children.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'It’s like a parent deciding that he prefers some one else’s child because his own kid is lacking talent or motivation.

    Well, the natives of this country are owed some respect, just like how a parent ought to be respectful toward his own children.'

    My own position is that I like it when we have an egalitarian society, when getting a PhD won't get you one penny more than if you just drove a forklift, when you have to either pick your own weeds or pay someone a living wage to do it for you, etc.

    ...and the way to get that society is to make sure there's a chronic shortage of unskilled labor, and the way to get that shortage is to bar all immigration.

    Largely, it's what we were tending towards from 1925 to 1965 -- when we barred virtually all immigration.
  70. @Oleaginous Outrager
    It seems remarkable how few people understand what will matter most in November 2020, and probably well before that, is the state of the economy. I know the normalcy basis among Americans is always strong, but do people really think 2008-9 can't come again? Hell, a repeat is long overdue.

    George HW Bush was really hurt in 1991 by the early 90’s recession; the no new taxes meme obviously didn’t help. Plus the Gulf War was cute and all, but we knew the Cold War was ending and not coming back, just like how Nirvana and Pearl Jam were signalling that Boomer style rock was ending and not coming back.

    Being that Trump ran as a revolutionary, it’s fair to say that he won’t be rejected as a dull also-ran by the public, like GHW Bush was(a de facto fourth term for Reagan? No thanks.)

  71. Blacks are similarly the least likely to support deportation of illegal aliens, the most likely to support legalizing their residency statuses, etc. None of the items under consideration mention anything about Republicans or Donald Trump, either–they are strictly policy questions.

    I’m sure YouGov didn’t ask, but I wonder: how much does this change if they’re told about their shrinking share of the nonwhite population (with or without a reminder that Asians & Hispanics don’t suffer from white guilt)?

  72. @Feryl
    It's like a parent deciding that he prefers some one else's child because his own kid is lacking talent or motivation.

    Well, the natives of this country are owed some respect, just like how a parent ought to be respectful toward his own children.

    ‘It’s like a parent deciding that he prefers some one else’s child because his own kid is lacking talent or motivation.

    Well, the natives of this country are owed some respect, just like how a parent ought to be respectful toward his own children.’

    My own position is that I like it when we have an egalitarian society, when getting a PhD won’t get you one penny more than if you just drove a forklift, when you have to either pick your own weeds or pay someone a living wage to do it for you, etc.

    …and the way to get that society is to make sure there’s a chronic shortage of unskilled labor, and the way to get that shortage is to bar all immigration.

    Largely, it’s what we were tending towards from 1925 to 1965 — when we barred virtually all immigration.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    the way to get that society is to make sure there’s a chronic shortage of unskilled labor, and the way to get that shortage is to bar all immigration.
     
    With the rise of the robots, unskilled labor is going to be in surplus even if all the immigrants left.

    Bezos' warehouses will soon have no human workers.  Packages will be delivered by drones.  In those walk-in stores that remain, inventory will be taken several times a day by tiny flying drones scanning the shelves and transmitting their images to an image-processing system and database in the server room.  There are already robots that can run fast-food grills.  A new robot that washes dishes.  Self-driving trucks.

    Gonna be mass unemployment in any job category that is unskilled, repetitive or doing paperwork that can be replaced by expert software.
  73. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Parenthetically, of the over 300 respondents aged 65 or older–people old enough to remember the hostage crisis–not a single person considered Iran a friend or an ally.

     

    E. Michael Jones is the only Baby Boomer in America with any sympathy for the Iranian Revolution.

    May God soon grant us a final solution to the Boomer Question.

    May God soon grant us a final solution to the Boomer Question.

    Quit your whinning and keep paying your FICA.

  74. @Almost Missouri
    Audacious:

    I think you did yourself a disservice by titling this post "De Blasio's Approval Rating Negative Even Among Democrats".

    I listlessly clicked the link expecting to be bored reading about a guy I don't care about, but instead the post was a grab bag of interesting data nuggets, most of which could easily have stood on their own as a post under their own headline. (Also, it would have helped your commentors who are interested in one nugget but not another to have separate commenting threads.)

    Don't let your stereotypical Midwestern modesty prevent you from showcasing the merit of your product in individual posts!

    On the other hand, if Ron is promising you some kind of bounty for accumulating a certain number of comments per post, well then, combine away. Far be it from me to mess with the boss's incentives.

    Ha, thanks very much for the kind words. I worked on it over a couple of days so it could have easily been broken up and probably should’ve been. My thought process was that the poll was a single subject with lots of interesting avenues therein.

    Ron takes a totally hands-off approach.

  75. @Mr. Rational

    If they were all sent back to Africa overnight, social trust in this country would skyrocket, along with the economy as whites poured back into the cities.
     
    Africa is optional; gone is mandatory.  Wherever and however they were gone, our cities would be habitable again.

    When the fecal matter hits the rotating impeller, values of "gone" will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.

    Absent Mad Max-style collapse, whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out. They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Agree
    , @Mr. Rational

    whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out.
     
    Negro Fatigue is already setting in.  The sight of chimp-outs over criminals and morons who either deserved their fate (Trayvon Martin) or made their own because they AND their families are stupid (Sandra Bland, whose mother refused to give her bail money) rubs people the wrong way too.  There's a reason the enemedia suppresses this stuff; it's like acid eating at their chains of mental control.  Those chains are past their warranty period already.

    They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.
     
    Who GAF if they were brought here involuntarily?  They have ZERO gratitude for what they have (which is considerably better than what their stay-at-home cousins have) and hate Whitey for giving it to them!  Once the public starts seeing them as the parasitic ingrates they are, it's the end.  That's coming very soon.

    Values of “gone” will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.  It doesn't matter if 95% disagree; if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.
    , @Feryl
    This sort of musing about widespread expulsions is kinda naive, considering that even China has moderate sized populations of people who aren't Han Chinese. Likewise w/ Russia tolerating the presence of Asiatics who pre-date white people in some parts of modern-day Russia.

    The historical/genetic record is that countries tend to either be heavily multi-ethnic societies that trend over many generations to some degree of genetic mixing*, or nations in which one group is demographically dominant and the other group(s) remains a genetic and cultural minority.

    Millennials are responding to today's much less white America by heavily interbreeding with Asians and Hispanics, and even blacks (in comparison to older and much whiter generations). Latin America has historically been much more racially diverse and mixed compared to North America, but we are clearly headed down the route of Latin America. Before the 1990's, America was similar to the Chinese and Russian model of one clearly dominant group that remained isolated from several distinct minority groups (in pre-1990 America, that mostly included blacks, with some American Indians and Central Americans along for the ride).

    I suspect that Gen Z (who mostly had Gen X parents) will be the last American generation to have white people who are generally "totally" white (e.g., almost all of their parents were white). Back in the 1990's, you seemed to see maybe 1 inter-racial couple for every 25 mono-racial couples in the Northern US. But since the Obama era there's been a massive swing towards inter-racial couples; it may not seem that big of a deal yet, but you have to take into account just how unusual inter-racial couples were as recently as the early 90's.

    I've also noticed that Gen Z is much more likely to hang out in mixed race social circles; hate to say it to the Stormfront types, but the ethnic folkways of traditional America are just never coming back. Some regions may retain their general ethnic character, but America overall won't. Again, that's similar to the Asiatic natives of certain regions of Russia still retaining some power many centuries after the white Rus came to rule the land. And no time soon are the Indian reservations going to be raided in order to destroy what's left of the American Indian.

    *This is true even of Mediterranean whites, who are a mixture of various Caucasian ethnic groups

  76. @216
    I wanted to post "AOC BTFO" by the Holocaust museum,

    But that isn't a reliable description, her hate mob barks louder.

    https://twitter.com/KatzOnEarth/status/1142852239154917376

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1143228772910600192

    Mr. Katz,

    https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/ministry_of_aliyah_and_integration

    Put your actions where your worthless fearmongering mouth is. If you hate my culture that much, a country dominated by your co-ethnics exists with 200 nuclear weapons for protection.

    If Jews end up in camps, it won’t be because conservative white Christians put them there!

    • Replies: @iffen
    it won’t be because conservative white Christians put them there

    It might be easier to make them convert in that scenario.
  77. @216
    VF Plus went from 4 to 10 seats in the election this year. So there is something of a notional separatist revival among Afrikaners. The ANC appears to have lost support from the other two minority groups in SA, Colured and Indians.

    For reasons I still don't understand, the ANC has not passed the land confiscation amendment yet. They had the votes in the previous parliament, and in the new parliament. In the intial media frenzy last year, it was implied that roving mobs were awaiting a signal to begin the killings.

    My guess is that the ANC is hoping the EU will agree to pay compensation to the farmers. Ramaphosa will thus emerge as the "great peacemaker".

    How many of the farmers will leave with compensation? Many of them will not. Their relationship with the land–the specific land in question–often goes back centuries. It’s not going to end well there, I’m afraid.

    • Replies: @iffen
    It’s not going to end well there, I’m afraid.

    Ya think.
    , @216
    (groundless speculation)

    The ANC probably intends to offer a token compensation in the absence of any EU funds, far below market value. When the 30K farmers (obviously) reject the deal, they look intransigent.

    With EU funding, they could presumably offer full market value, and the EU could even cough up residence visas. Support for the farmers would evaporate in such a case. Offering the visas is a major ask, not because of the number, but because of the admission that whites can be an oppressed minority. So ideally (for the ANC) the EU will just provide the funds, and require that the farmers train their replacement.

    That said, the South African government is hostile to emigration, and EFF pols seem to say something like "if your ancestor didn't bring it with them on the ship, you can't take it away".
  78. @Audacious Epigone
    If Jews end up in camps, it won't be because conservative white Christians put them there!

    it won’t be because conservative white Christians put them there

    It might be easier to make them convert in that scenario.

  79. @Rosie

    Now that is not a perfect analogy for what we currently face, but the President knows more than we know and it simply might be the case that he needs to increase the population of the US to ensure its existence in the future.
     
    Hmmm. I don't think it works that way. If you have to import foreigners o keep your country, you've clearly already lost it.

    Political dissolution is coming. We are long overdue for a divorce. Irreconcilable differences.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Political dissolution is coming. We are long overdue for a divorce. Irreconcilable differences.

    Stop saying this. You see divorce from an UMC and above perspective. All that civil law and shit works great for the UMC and above. You want a divorce? What you will get will be how divorce works in the prole class.
  80. @Audacious Epigone
    Absent Mad Max-style collapse, whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out. They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.

    Agree

  81. @Audacious Epigone
    How many of the farmers will leave with compensation? Many of them will not. Their relationship with the land--the specific land in question--often goes back centuries. It's not going to end well there, I'm afraid.

    It’s not going to end well there, I’m afraid.

    Ya think.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Dream scenario; they convert en masse to Islam and the Ummah provides a couple thousand Chechens to enforce safety cordons free of charge - well maybe they can give them some land.

    Peace.
  82. @Colin Wright
    'It’s like a parent deciding that he prefers some one else’s child because his own kid is lacking talent or motivation.

    Well, the natives of this country are owed some respect, just like how a parent ought to be respectful toward his own children.'

    My own position is that I like it when we have an egalitarian society, when getting a PhD won't get you one penny more than if you just drove a forklift, when you have to either pick your own weeds or pay someone a living wage to do it for you, etc.

    ...and the way to get that society is to make sure there's a chronic shortage of unskilled labor, and the way to get that shortage is to bar all immigration.

    Largely, it's what we were tending towards from 1925 to 1965 -- when we barred virtually all immigration.

    the way to get that society is to make sure there’s a chronic shortage of unskilled labor, and the way to get that shortage is to bar all immigration.

    With the rise of the robots, unskilled labor is going to be in surplus even if all the immigrants left.

    Bezos’ warehouses will soon have no human workers.  Packages will be delivered by drones.  In those walk-in stores that remain, inventory will be taken several times a day by tiny flying drones scanning the shelves and transmitting their images to an image-processing system and database in the server room.  There are already robots that can run fast-food grills.  A new robot that washes dishes.  Self-driving trucks.

    Gonna be mass unemployment in any job category that is unskilled, repetitive or doing paperwork that can be replaced by expert software.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'With the rise of the robots, unskilled labor is going to be in surplus even if all the immigrants left...'

    This is hardly an argument for letting in more immigrants.

    You may well be right. All the more reason to stop admitting immigrants.
  83. @Audacious Epigone
    Absent Mad Max-style collapse, whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out. They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.

    whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out.

    Negro Fatigue is already setting in.  The sight of chimp-outs over criminals and morons who either deserved their fate (Trayvon Martin) or made their own because they AND their families are stupid (Sandra Bland, whose mother refused to give her bail money) rubs people the wrong way too.  There’s a reason the enemedia suppresses this stuff; it’s like acid eating at their chains of mental control.  Those chains are past their warranty period already.

    They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.

    Who GAF if they were brought here involuntarily?  They have ZERO gratitude for what they have (which is considerably better than what their stay-at-home cousins have) and hate Whitey for giving it to them!  Once the public starts seeing them as the parasitic ingrates they are, it’s the end.  That’s coming very soon.

    Values of “gone” will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.  It doesn’t matter if 95% disagree; if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.

    • Replies: @216

    if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.
     
    Drone strikes on domestic soil

    Swallwell nukes

    /end
    , @Corvinus
    "if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose...When our side starts fighting dirty too, they’ll cave."

    Blah, blah, blah. So brave, St. Brievik. Your words are soaked in impotence. There is always this threat that a small subset of our population will gather up their weapons and "take back" the nation. We know that you and others here who profess they will join the cause are just blowing smoke.

    Tell you what, when the next financial meltdown comes round, how about using that event as your battlecry to rally the troops and go all "Enough" Jennifer Lopez style? What do you say, Chicken Little?

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Polling data shows the opposite, though--whites express more desire to uplift blacks than ever before! Maybe it's a last hurrah before a collapse, but absent an actual societal collapse, it seems highly unlikely to me.
  84. @iffen
    It’s not going to end well there, I’m afraid.

    Ya think.

    Dream scenario; they convert en masse to Islam and the Ummah provides a couple thousand Chechens to enforce safety cordons free of charge – well maybe they can give them some land.

    Peace.

  85. Dream scenario; they convert en masse to Islam

    How about the West Bank Palestinians convert en masse to Judaism? How would our AaronB handle that?

    • Replies: @Talha
    Don’t worry, we’ll eventually get a few thousand Chechens there too. Give us time.

    Peace.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...How about the West Bank Palestinians convert en masse to Judaism? How would our AaronB handle that?'

    I've thought of that. Obviously, it's unreasonable to demand of the Palestinians, but just suppose they did it?

    What would the Zionists do? The Palestinians could even get some Code Pink Rabbitistras to perform the conversions. Then what?
  86. @Mr. Rational

    the way to get that society is to make sure there’s a chronic shortage of unskilled labor, and the way to get that shortage is to bar all immigration.
     
    With the rise of the robots, unskilled labor is going to be in surplus even if all the immigrants left.

    Bezos' warehouses will soon have no human workers.  Packages will be delivered by drones.  In those walk-in stores that remain, inventory will be taken several times a day by tiny flying drones scanning the shelves and transmitting their images to an image-processing system and database in the server room.  There are already robots that can run fast-food grills.  A new robot that washes dishes.  Self-driving trucks.

    Gonna be mass unemployment in any job category that is unskilled, repetitive or doing paperwork that can be replaced by expert software.

    ‘With the rise of the robots, unskilled labor is going to be in surplus even if all the immigrants left…’

    This is hardly an argument for letting in more immigrants.

    You may well be right. All the more reason to stop admitting immigrants.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    This is hardly an argument for letting in more immigrants.
     
    It wasn't one.  It was a statement that the unskilled are in for a rough time, immigrants or no immigrants.  And a substantial fraction of the white-collar workforce too.  The immigrants need to go, period; the last thing we need is more unemployables demanding gibs.

    You may well be right. All the more reason to stop admitting immigrants.
     
    And send back most of the ones already here.
  87. @iffen
    Dream scenario; they convert en masse to Islam

    How about the West Bank Palestinians convert en masse to Judaism? How would our AaronB handle that?

    Don’t worry, we’ll eventually get a few thousand Chechens there too. Give us time.

    Peace.

  88. @iffen
    Dream scenario; they convert en masse to Islam

    How about the West Bank Palestinians convert en masse to Judaism? How would our AaronB handle that?

    ‘…How about the West Bank Palestinians convert en masse to Judaism? How would our AaronB handle that?’

    I’ve thought of that. Obviously, it’s unreasonable to demand of the Palestinians, but just suppose they did it?

    What would the Zionists do? The Palestinians could even get some Code Pink Rabbitistras to perform the conversions. Then what?

  89. @Audacious Epigone
    Political dissolution is coming. We are long overdue for a divorce. Irreconcilable differences.

    Political dissolution is coming. We are long overdue for a divorce. Irreconcilable differences.

    Stop saying this. You see divorce from an UMC and above perspective. All that civil law and shit works great for the UMC and above. You want a divorce? What you will get will be how divorce works in the prole class.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Good point. Though perhaps it can be done the Czech and Slovak way instead of the Serb and Bosniak and Croat way...

    Peace.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Does the prospect of a peaceful dissolution increase or decrease over time? That's the only question that really matters.
  90. @Colin Wright
    'With the rise of the robots, unskilled labor is going to be in surplus even if all the immigrants left...'

    This is hardly an argument for letting in more immigrants.

    You may well be right. All the more reason to stop admitting immigrants.

    This is hardly an argument for letting in more immigrants.

    It wasn’t one.  It was a statement that the unskilled are in for a rough time, immigrants or no immigrants.  And a substantial fraction of the white-collar workforce too.  The immigrants need to go, period; the last thing we need is more unemployables demanding gibs.

    You may well be right. All the more reason to stop admitting immigrants.

    And send back most of the ones already here.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Yuppies still want cheap foreigners to work as nannies and gardeners, and were never going to have robots do that work. As long as we have decadence and corruption, it's going to be difficult to convince the elites that an immigration stoppage is necessary and conducive to a stable society. Greed over-rules stability. Back in the 1920's, a fair number of elites felt exhausted by the increasing waves of immigrants that we had from circa 1850-1920, and said, "enough is enough". Some of this was pure of heart, but some of it was also the cynical calculation that too many foreigners were fomenting a cultural revolution that could put Amercia's trad. ruling class on the guillotine. Nowadays many elites are trying to team up with foreigners to put legit populists (be they Left or Right) on the guillotine. Hell, the word "populist" itself is hissed like an obscenity by elites, as they try and obfuscate the corruption within their class.
  91. @iffen
    Political dissolution is coming. We are long overdue for a divorce. Irreconcilable differences.

    Stop saying this. You see divorce from an UMC and above perspective. All that civil law and shit works great for the UMC and above. You want a divorce? What you will get will be how divorce works in the prole class.

    Good point. Though perhaps it can be done the Czech and Slovak way instead of the Serb and Bosniak and Croat way…

    Peace.

  92. @Audacious Epigone
    Absent Mad Max-style collapse, whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out. They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.

    This sort of musing about widespread expulsions is kinda naive, considering that even China has moderate sized populations of people who aren’t Han Chinese. Likewise w/ Russia tolerating the presence of Asiatics who pre-date white people in some parts of modern-day Russia.

    The historical/genetic record is that countries tend to either be heavily multi-ethnic societies that trend over many generations to some degree of genetic mixing*, or nations in which one group is demographically dominant and the other group(s) remains a genetic and cultural minority.

    Millennials are responding to today’s much less white America by heavily interbreeding with Asians and Hispanics, and even blacks (in comparison to older and much whiter generations). Latin America has historically been much more racially diverse and mixed compared to North America, but we are clearly headed down the route of Latin America. Before the 1990’s, America was similar to the Chinese and Russian model of one clearly dominant group that remained isolated from several distinct minority groups (in pre-1990 America, that mostly included blacks, with some American Indians and Central Americans along for the ride).

    I suspect that Gen Z (who mostly had Gen X parents) will be the last American generation to have white people who are generally “totally” white (e.g., almost all of their parents were white). Back in the 1990’s, you seemed to see maybe 1 inter-racial couple for every 25 mono-racial couples in the Northern US. But since the Obama era there’s been a massive swing towards inter-racial couples; it may not seem that big of a deal yet, but you have to take into account just how unusual inter-racial couples were as recently as the early 90’s.

    I’ve also noticed that Gen Z is much more likely to hang out in mixed race social circles; hate to say it to the Stormfront types, but the ethnic folkways of traditional America are just never coming back. Some regions may retain their general ethnic character, but America overall won’t. Again, that’s similar to the Asiatic natives of certain regions of Russia still retaining some power many centuries after the white Rus came to rule the land. And no time soon are the Indian reservations going to be raided in order to destroy what’s left of the American Indian.

    *This is true even of Mediterranean whites, who are a mixture of various Caucasian ethnic groups

    • Replies: @216
    This is why I point out the reluctance of white conservatives to engage in self-segregation. Conservatives aren't the alphas they like to imagine themselves as, in reality they are a minority highly vulnerable to assimilation for the purpose of middle class striving.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Agree expulsion talk is fantasy. Even deporting non-citizens--the only kind of 'expulsion' that whites could possibly get on board with--is highly unlikely. Not sure why people assume that when I predict political dissolution I'm predicting ethnostates. The average voluntary relocation rate will be, if I have to guess, around 10%-20%. It may modestly change the demographic compositions of what comes out of the former US, but that's all I suspect will happen.

    Re: intermarriage and Latin America, will North America ever get to the point where Latin America is now, where more Euro ancestry is implicitly considered good, or will Latin America move more towards North America now, where more Euro ancestry is implicitly considered bad?
  93. @Mr. Rational

    This is hardly an argument for letting in more immigrants.
     
    It wasn't one.  It was a statement that the unskilled are in for a rough time, immigrants or no immigrants.  And a substantial fraction of the white-collar workforce too.  The immigrants need to go, period; the last thing we need is more unemployables demanding gibs.

    You may well be right. All the more reason to stop admitting immigrants.
     
    And send back most of the ones already here.

    Yuppies still want cheap foreigners to work as nannies and gardeners, and were never going to have robots do that work. As long as we have decadence and corruption, it’s going to be difficult to convince the elites that an immigration stoppage is necessary and conducive to a stable society. Greed over-rules stability. Back in the 1920’s, a fair number of elites felt exhausted by the increasing waves of immigrants that we had from circa 1850-1920, and said, “enough is enough”. Some of this was pure of heart, but some of it was also the cynical calculation that too many foreigners were fomenting a cultural revolution that could put Amercia’s trad. ruling class on the guillotine. Nowadays many elites are trying to team up with foreigners to put legit populists (be they Left or Right) on the guillotine. Hell, the word “populist” itself is hissed like an obscenity by elites, as they try and obfuscate the corruption within their class.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Yuppies still want cheap foreigners to work as nannies and gardeners, and were never going to have robots do that work.
     
    You think so?  I think the robot lawnmower (perhaps on a subscription service) is going to make huge inroads in just a few years.  Why employ a bunch of brown guys at $15/hr and charge you $100 a week when you can have this neat, quiet little electric robot cut all the grass for $0.50 worth of juice?

    First thing that's gonna happen is lawn services are going to switch to robots; the owner will drop them off, they'll do their thing, and he'll come back and pick them up when they're done.  He'll be able to charge half what the Mexicans do because he only has to pay a mechanic part-time.  (The real fun will be catching the Mexicans vandalizing the robots on the internal cameras and deporting them.)  Then people will start buying their own.
  94. @Feryl
    Yuppies still want cheap foreigners to work as nannies and gardeners, and were never going to have robots do that work. As long as we have decadence and corruption, it's going to be difficult to convince the elites that an immigration stoppage is necessary and conducive to a stable society. Greed over-rules stability. Back in the 1920's, a fair number of elites felt exhausted by the increasing waves of immigrants that we had from circa 1850-1920, and said, "enough is enough". Some of this was pure of heart, but some of it was also the cynical calculation that too many foreigners were fomenting a cultural revolution that could put Amercia's trad. ruling class on the guillotine. Nowadays many elites are trying to team up with foreigners to put legit populists (be they Left or Right) on the guillotine. Hell, the word "populist" itself is hissed like an obscenity by elites, as they try and obfuscate the corruption within their class.

    Yuppies still want cheap foreigners to work as nannies and gardeners, and were never going to have robots do that work.

    You think so?  I think the robot lawnmower (perhaps on a subscription service) is going to make huge inroads in just a few years.  Why employ a bunch of brown guys at $15/hr and charge you $100 a week when you can have this neat, quiet little electric robot cut all the grass for $0.50 worth of juice?

    First thing that’s gonna happen is lawn services are going to switch to robots; the owner will drop them off, they’ll do their thing, and he’ll come back and pick them up when they’re done.  He’ll be able to charge half what the Mexicans do because he only has to pay a mechanic part-time.  (The real fun will be catching the Mexicans vandalizing the robots on the internal cameras and deporting them.)  Then people will start buying their own.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Alien Luddites, ha!
  95. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    “Back in the 1990’s, you seemed to see maybe 1 inter-racial couple for every 25 mono-racial couples in the Northern US. But since the Obama era there’s been a massive swing towards inter-racial couples”

    I’m not seeing it outside of the media. Approximately 95% of those whites who identify as conservative have offspring that are white – 85% of those who identify as extreme Left. Combined with the fact that far Leftists have a much lower fertility rate and mixed race children are almost always considered non-white, and these pairings will become much less obvious over time as those race mixers are removed from the white population; we know that political persuasion is about 0.5 genetic, so this propensity will carry over to the next generation. Mexico, for instance, has a noticeably European elite – same for many other Hispanic nations – even after 400 years of inbreeding. It’s a myth that we’re all going to be mixed race in the future. Do an image search of former Mexican president Vincente Fox for an example of what I’m talking about. Accounting for interracial offspring, and the TFR of Leftists in question is then reduced to around 1.2 and falling; it is closer to 1.7 for conservative whites when adjusted for interracial couplings. Within two or three generations, couplings between those who are obviously white and those who are obviously non-white will largely disappear.

    • Replies: @Feryl

    I’m not seeing it outside of the media. Approximately 95% of those whites who identify as conservative have offspring that are white – 85% of those who identify as extreme Left. Combined with the fact that far Leftists have a much lower fertility rate and mixed race children are almost always considered non-white, and these pairings will become much less obvious over time as those race mixers are removed from the white population; we know that political persuasion is about 0.5 genetic, so this propensity will carry over to the next generation.
     
    Helllllooooo, America was 85% white in 1970, while whites by 2070 will be less than 50% of the population. Furthermore, when most non-whites in America were black there was a strong taboo against inter-racial couplings. Beginning in the early 1990's, America has become rapidly more non white (and non-black), weakening traditional taboos. Besides, look at what happened to the Anglo-Dutch of the Northeastern United States: the vast levels of immigration that happened from about 1890-1920 utterly overwhelmed the Anglo-Dutch. Even without any mixing, founding stock people were essentially being cleansed from from much of America's original territory. The remaining Anglo-Dutch have, over time, been increasingly mixed into the non-colonial population.

    Mexico, for instance, has a noticeably European elite – same for many other Hispanic nations – even after 400 years of inbreeding. It’s a myth that we’re all going to be mixed race in the future. Do an image search of former Mexican president Vincente Fox for an example of what I’m talking about. Accounting for interracial offspring, and the TFR of Leftists in question is then reduced to around 1.2 and falling; it is closer to 1.7 for conservative whites when adjusted for interracial couplings. Within two or three generations, couplings between those who are obviously white and those who are obviously non-white will largely disappear.
     
    Mexico has never "shaken" the whites who rapidly changed the genetic and ethnic character of the region. Mexico is never going to demographically revert back to what it was before European conquest. I never said that any ethnic group (be they white or otherwise) can't exist in a country, but rather, my point was that historically dominant ethnic groups in a region can be overwhelmed by military/demographic/political conquest and/or a large degree of genetic mixing*.

    I don't know what your age is, but even in the 1990's many white porn stars would refuse to work with black men, on the grounds that Southern and Lower Midwestern strip joints would refuse to book any women who did inter-racial. There is virtually no taboo about inter-racial couplings anymore, compared to what we had even 20 years ago, much less 40 or 60 years ago (when, in any event, America was far more white thereby reducing opportunities for mixing). Once a country reaches a certain "tipping point" for diversity, it becomes much harder to enforce ethnic mixing taboos, unless a particular ethnic group is highly religious and conservative. But in Catholic Latin America, people were encouraged to have a multi-cultural outlook, rather than an ethno-centric one. Whereas American white Protestants thought they and they alone were special, and focused on out-breeding and dominating other groups in America, prior to the 1950's. But since the 50's white Americans have become much more secular and multi-cultural; not a big deal in the 60's-80's, when most Americans were white. But since then, the combination of large numbers of non-white immigrants+secular and liberal whites will likely lead to much of North America being more like Central America or perhaps Mediterranean Europe in terms of ethnic mixing. Prior to 1990 America resembled Russia in terms of one historically dominant group running the country primarily for the benefit of itself, with a few other minorities being tolerated as long as they were kept in check. That America doesn't exist anymore, and most likely never will again (California and Texas rapidly became less non-white in the 70's and 80's, foreshadowing the fall of traditional , European mono-cultural America).

    "Conservative" whites? Conservative means different things to different people, at different times. Leftists in the 1960's were more conservative than most "modern" American conservatives. If by "conservative" you mean fundamentalist in religion and ethno-centrism, that's going to take a long time to develop, and will likely be fueled by a major power-grab from a particularly vexing minority (e.g. Muslims and Africans). Again though, to use Latin America as an example, crime is obviously pretty bad there, and there is political unrest from time to time, but it's nothing on the level of what you see in heavily Muslim and African regions. Ethno-centric religious fundamentalism arises from defensive posture, from being mired in highly strife-ridden regions for many generations. However, in a reasonably well-functioning society, nice and hard working people often buy into multi-culturalism, instead of retreating into racially conscious paranoia. So highly diverse societies that can manage to stay above the African and Middle-Eastern threshold of stability are going to produce liberal and culturally secular people; perhaps not Swedes, exactly, but not Somalis. Speaking of which, Somalis in St. Cloud MN elicit a lot more hostility than Mestizos in the Central Valley do.

    *Some groups just can't play well with others, necessitating that they remain a weak and isolated minority (this would include most Muslims and Sub-Saharan Africans) in order for a country to function. Heavy mixing is also possible to "dilute" the troublesome ethnic group, but outside of Brazil it's pretty unusual for large number of Africans to mix with non-Africans.
  96. 216 says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    How many of the farmers will leave with compensation? Many of them will not. Their relationship with the land--the specific land in question--often goes back centuries. It's not going to end well there, I'm afraid.

    (groundless speculation)

    The ANC probably intends to offer a token compensation in the absence of any EU funds, far below market value. When the 30K farmers (obviously) reject the deal, they look intransigent.

    With EU funding, they could presumably offer full market value, and the EU could even cough up residence visas. Support for the farmers would evaporate in such a case. Offering the visas is a major ask, not because of the number, but because of the admission that whites can be an oppressed minority. So ideally (for the ANC) the EU will just provide the funds, and require that the farmers train their replacement.

    That said, the South African government is hostile to emigration, and EFF pols seem to say something like “if your ancestor didn’t bring it with them on the ship, you can’t take it away”.

  97. @Mr. Rational

    whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out.
     
    Negro Fatigue is already setting in.  The sight of chimp-outs over criminals and morons who either deserved their fate (Trayvon Martin) or made their own because they AND their families are stupid (Sandra Bland, whose mother refused to give her bail money) rubs people the wrong way too.  There's a reason the enemedia suppresses this stuff; it's like acid eating at their chains of mental control.  Those chains are past their warranty period already.

    They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.
     
    Who GAF if they were brought here involuntarily?  They have ZERO gratitude for what they have (which is considerably better than what their stay-at-home cousins have) and hate Whitey for giving it to them!  Once the public starts seeing them as the parasitic ingrates they are, it's the end.  That's coming very soon.

    Values of “gone” will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.  It doesn't matter if 95% disagree; if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.

    if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.

    Drone strikes on domestic soil

    Swallwell nukes

    /end

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Drone strikes on domestic soil

    Swallwell nukes
     

    .22 rounds to the heads of the enforcers.  Or their bodyguards.  Or family, if the rest are inaccessible.

    It's already a dirty war.  When our side starts fighting dirty too, they'll cave.

  98. @Feryl
    This sort of musing about widespread expulsions is kinda naive, considering that even China has moderate sized populations of people who aren't Han Chinese. Likewise w/ Russia tolerating the presence of Asiatics who pre-date white people in some parts of modern-day Russia.

    The historical/genetic record is that countries tend to either be heavily multi-ethnic societies that trend over many generations to some degree of genetic mixing*, or nations in which one group is demographically dominant and the other group(s) remains a genetic and cultural minority.

    Millennials are responding to today's much less white America by heavily interbreeding with Asians and Hispanics, and even blacks (in comparison to older and much whiter generations). Latin America has historically been much more racially diverse and mixed compared to North America, but we are clearly headed down the route of Latin America. Before the 1990's, America was similar to the Chinese and Russian model of one clearly dominant group that remained isolated from several distinct minority groups (in pre-1990 America, that mostly included blacks, with some American Indians and Central Americans along for the ride).

    I suspect that Gen Z (who mostly had Gen X parents) will be the last American generation to have white people who are generally "totally" white (e.g., almost all of their parents were white). Back in the 1990's, you seemed to see maybe 1 inter-racial couple for every 25 mono-racial couples in the Northern US. But since the Obama era there's been a massive swing towards inter-racial couples; it may not seem that big of a deal yet, but you have to take into account just how unusual inter-racial couples were as recently as the early 90's.

    I've also noticed that Gen Z is much more likely to hang out in mixed race social circles; hate to say it to the Stormfront types, but the ethnic folkways of traditional America are just never coming back. Some regions may retain their general ethnic character, but America overall won't. Again, that's similar to the Asiatic natives of certain regions of Russia still retaining some power many centuries after the white Rus came to rule the land. And no time soon are the Indian reservations going to be raided in order to destroy what's left of the American Indian.

    *This is true even of Mediterranean whites, who are a mixture of various Caucasian ethnic groups

    This is why I point out the reluctance of white conservatives to engage in self-segregation. Conservatives aren’t the alphas they like to imagine themselves as, in reality they are a minority highly vulnerable to assimilation for the purpose of middle class striving.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    As has often been noted by the Paleo-Right, "conservative" is a meaningless term. Bankrupting one's country on behalf of China and Israel is not, in any reasonable way, simpatico with restrained and responsible behavior. But none other than the quasi-socialist America of FDR-Nixon generally did a much better job of investing in quality industry and using the American military with some degree of restraint. Also, the America of the New Deal was much better at forbidding immigration, cultural obscenity, divorce, and drug use. In other words, we were a behaviorally conservative country prior to the mid-1970's.

    Once the Reaganite de-regulators started to get their way in the late 70's, that's when the Rust Belt went to hell, wages became stagnant, movie dialogue started to be filled with obscenities, abortion rose, and families fell apart (note that some of these trends began in the early 70's, though mainstream culture didn't necessarily approve of them until the late 70's). By the 80's we started giving the Pentagon one blank check after another (I guess that became the "conservative's" idea of smaller government).

    Boomer cucks habitually cheer on "de-regulation" as the be all, end all of "conservatism", and you really have to chuckle at the modern Republican tactic of shaming Democrats (the party of the South before 1964) for not being "woke" enough in the past. And as Agnostic points out, at heart regulation is about rules and stringent enforcement of rules; what could be more conservative than that, if one defines "conservative" as being about responsibility?

    The Me Generation saying, in effect, "screw having any obligation to society, I wanna do whatever I want" has done no good.
    , @Feryl
    Sure they segregate. They damn the world as sinful and irredeemable, and want to squash any effective collective effort at communal restoration. It's fine and dandy for Joe Sixpack to have nice things, provided he worked hard enough for them, but I'll be damned if too much of muh tax dollars go to those stupid government programs that never fix anything.

    "Conservatives" since the late 70's have refused to put fuel in the engine of communal camaraderie, unwittingly making it impossible for good things to be done for the masses*. Self-righteous jerk offs looking for any excuse to turn their back on society. By the 80's I'm sure that some of these "conservatives" would've derided the idea of a homosexual quarantine to stop the spread of AIDs; can't have the government telling "consenting adults" what to do, amiright?

    *By this time much of the Left was also starting to lose it's marbles, part of the reason the Right became so alienated from collective social works; but it was Left-wing prole champions who spearheaded many good works from about 1900-1970. The modern right, however, has tried it's best to memory hole the wholesome and egalitarian mid-century Left, just like how it's memory-holed the fact that the fad for collective ideologies in the mid-twentieth century coincided with personal and family well-being (compared to historical norms), while the surge toward individualism (championed by the right) in the late 20th century has produced dysfunction and despair.
  99. @Audacious Epigone
    Great, a congresswoman insinuating that a group of people--the boundaries of said group up to her to determine--should be murdered by the state. This is indeed how insurgencies start. This is extremely irresponsible of her.

    “This is indeed how insurgencies start. This is extremely irresponsible of her.”

    The fight should have begun a long time ago, but the armchair warriors here at this fine site, with their own “toxic mix of cognitive vapidity and vengeful bloodlust”, just talk and seem to wait for a more opportune moment.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Your coming here and trying to goad people into violence isn't appreciated, either. You know I've always strongly condemned it. If there is any way to work things out by avoiding it, we should all be willing to make a lot of concessions to realize that. Insurgency is hell and war is even worse.
  100. @216

    if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.
     
    Drone strikes on domestic soil

    Swallwell nukes

    /end

    Drone strikes on domestic soil

    Swallwell nukes

    .22 rounds to the heads of the enforcers.  Or their bodyguards.  Or family, if the rest are inaccessible.

    It’s already a dirty war.  When our side starts fighting dirty too, they’ll cave.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Not here, please. It's not just that I emphatically don't want that--there are plenty of things I don't agree with that I like seeing discussed--it's also that these kinds of conversations are the ones that will give paypal, patreon, etc the excuse they need to boot Steve Sailer and other writers who make a living at this, and the Unz Review's own account.
  101. @Mr. Rational

    whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out.
     
    Negro Fatigue is already setting in.  The sight of chimp-outs over criminals and morons who either deserved their fate (Trayvon Martin) or made their own because they AND their families are stupid (Sandra Bland, whose mother refused to give her bail money) rubs people the wrong way too.  There's a reason the enemedia suppresses this stuff; it's like acid eating at their chains of mental control.  Those chains are past their warranty period already.

    They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.
     
    Who GAF if they were brought here involuntarily?  They have ZERO gratitude for what they have (which is considerably better than what their stay-at-home cousins have) and hate Whitey for giving it to them!  Once the public starts seeing them as the parasitic ingrates they are, it's the end.  That's coming very soon.

    Values of “gone” will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.  It doesn't matter if 95% disagree; if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.

    “if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose…When our side starts fighting dirty too, they’ll cave.”

    Blah, blah, blah. So brave, St. Brievik. Your words are soaked in impotence. There is always this threat that a small subset of our population will gather up their weapons and “take back” the nation. We know that you and others here who profess they will join the cause are just blowing smoke.

    Tell you what, when the next financial meltdown comes round, how about using that event as your battlecry to rally the troops and go all “Enough” Jennifer Lopez style? What do you say, Chicken Little?

  102. @Mark G.
    Not doing anything about the $23 trillion and growing debt is something both major parties agree on. An empty political niche that needs to be filled is what Steve Sailer once called "Green Eyeshade Conservatism". This would be a conservatism that believes in low spending, balanced budget and shrinking the welfare state. Shrinking the welfare state would include ending government policies that make the rich richer. I don't usually agree with Bernie Sanders but he was correct when he said the 2008 Wall Street bailout was socialism for rich people.

    An empty political niche that needs to be filled is what Steve Sailer once called “Green Eyeshade Conservatism”

    Boomer, the point is that the Libertarian quadrant is chock-full of pundits, politicians and billionaires while being devoid of voters.

    Thus it is the opposite of a “niche that needs to be filled.” It is the most over-served quadrant. The Sailer strategy to renounce the Libertarian quadrant, in order to win votes and elections. The Sailer corollary is to use relief from high tariffs to fund the GOP with corporate money after it loses its billionaires.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    I don't think he's talking about libertarian kill the government non-sense, but rather, he's just saying that we need to have more responsible and sane government. Which we all can agree with. Reagan, Bush etc. all spoke of "small government" when in reality they shrank government revenue while doing essentially nothing to cut down on spending. In the New Deal era politicians mostly didn't pull this stupid crap.

    Only middle-aged to elderly people really think that the Republicans "saved" us since the 80's. Younger people know that the GOP did virtually nothing to stop a dystopia from being created, going back to the globalism they prepped America for when they complained about Rust-belt factory workers making too much, and claimed that Asian and Latin American "refugees" were as entitled to the American dream as actual Americans were.
  103. @anon
    "Back in the 1990’s, you seemed to see maybe 1 inter-racial couple for every 25 mono-racial couples in the Northern US. But since the Obama era there’s been a massive swing towards inter-racial couples"

    I'm not seeing it outside of the media. Approximately 95% of those whites who identify as conservative have offspring that are white - 85% of those who identify as extreme Left. Combined with the fact that far Leftists have a much lower fertility rate and mixed race children are almost always considered non-white, and these pairings will become much less obvious over time as those race mixers are removed from the white population; we know that political persuasion is about 0.5 genetic, so this propensity will carry over to the next generation. Mexico, for instance, has a noticeably European elite - same for many other Hispanic nations - even after 400 years of inbreeding. It's a myth that we're all going to be mixed race in the future. Do an image search of former Mexican president Vincente Fox for an example of what I'm talking about. Accounting for interracial offspring, and the TFR of Leftists in question is then reduced to around 1.2 and falling; it is closer to 1.7 for conservative whites when adjusted for interracial couplings. Within two or three generations, couplings between those who are obviously white and those who are obviously non-white will largely disappear.

    I’m not seeing it outside of the media. Approximately 95% of those whites who identify as conservative have offspring that are white – 85% of those who identify as extreme Left. Combined with the fact that far Leftists have a much lower fertility rate and mixed race children are almost always considered non-white, and these pairings will become much less obvious over time as those race mixers are removed from the white population; we know that political persuasion is about 0.5 genetic, so this propensity will carry over to the next generation.

    Helllllooooo, America was 85% white in 1970, while whites by 2070 will be less than 50% of the population. Furthermore, when most non-whites in America were black there was a strong taboo against inter-racial couplings. Beginning in the early 1990’s, America has become rapidly more non white (and non-black), weakening traditional taboos. Besides, look at what happened to the Anglo-Dutch of the Northeastern United States: the vast levels of immigration that happened from about 1890-1920 utterly overwhelmed the Anglo-Dutch. Even without any mixing, founding stock people were essentially being cleansed from from much of America’s original territory. The remaining Anglo-Dutch have, over time, been increasingly mixed into the non-colonial population.

    Mexico, for instance, has a noticeably European elite – same for many other Hispanic nations – even after 400 years of inbreeding. It’s a myth that we’re all going to be mixed race in the future. Do an image search of former Mexican president Vincente Fox for an example of what I’m talking about. Accounting for interracial offspring, and the TFR of Leftists in question is then reduced to around 1.2 and falling; it is closer to 1.7 for conservative whites when adjusted for interracial couplings. Within two or three generations, couplings between those who are obviously white and those who are obviously non-white will largely disappear.

    Mexico has never “shaken” the whites who rapidly changed the genetic and ethnic character of the region. Mexico is never going to demographically revert back to what it was before European conquest. I never said that any ethnic group (be they white or otherwise) can’t exist in a country, but rather, my point was that historically dominant ethnic groups in a region can be overwhelmed by military/demographic/political conquest and/or a large degree of genetic mixing*.

    I don’t know what your age is, but even in the 1990’s many white porn stars would refuse to work with black men, on the grounds that Southern and Lower Midwestern strip joints would refuse to book any women who did inter-racial. There is virtually no taboo about inter-racial couplings anymore, compared to what we had even 20 years ago, much less 40 or 60 years ago (when, in any event, America was far more white thereby reducing opportunities for mixing). Once a country reaches a certain “tipping point” for diversity, it becomes much harder to enforce ethnic mixing taboos, unless a particular ethnic group is highly religious and conservative. But in Catholic Latin America, people were encouraged to have a multi-cultural outlook, rather than an ethno-centric one. Whereas American white Protestants thought they and they alone were special, and focused on out-breeding and dominating other groups in America, prior to the 1950’s. But since the 50’s white Americans have become much more secular and multi-cultural; not a big deal in the 60’s-80’s, when most Americans were white. But since then, the combination of large numbers of non-white immigrants+secular and liberal whites will likely lead to much of North America being more like Central America or perhaps Mediterranean Europe in terms of ethnic mixing. Prior to 1990 America resembled Russia in terms of one historically dominant group running the country primarily for the benefit of itself, with a few other minorities being tolerated as long as they were kept in check. That America doesn’t exist anymore, and most likely never will again (California and Texas rapidly became less non-white in the 70’s and 80’s, foreshadowing the fall of traditional , European mono-cultural America).

    “Conservative” whites? Conservative means different things to different people, at different times. Leftists in the 1960’s were more conservative than most “modern” American conservatives. If by “conservative” you mean fundamentalist in religion and ethno-centrism, that’s going to take a long time to develop, and will likely be fueled by a major power-grab from a particularly vexing minority (e.g. Muslims and Africans). Again though, to use Latin America as an example, crime is obviously pretty bad there, and there is political unrest from time to time, but it’s nothing on the level of what you see in heavily Muslim and African regions. Ethno-centric religious fundamentalism arises from defensive posture, from being mired in highly strife-ridden regions for many generations. However, in a reasonably well-functioning society, nice and hard working people often buy into multi-culturalism, instead of retreating into racially conscious paranoia. So highly diverse societies that can manage to stay above the African and Middle-Eastern threshold of stability are going to produce liberal and culturally secular people; perhaps not Swedes, exactly, but not Somalis. Speaking of which, Somalis in St. Cloud MN elicit a lot more hostility than Mestizos in the Central Valley do.

    *Some groups just can’t play well with others, necessitating that they remain a weak and isolated minority (this would include most Muslims and Sub-Saharan Africans) in order for a country to function. Heavy mixing is also possible to “dilute” the troublesome ethnic group, but outside of Brazil it’s pretty unusual for large number of Africans to mix with non-Africans.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    CA and TX became Rapidly less white, i mean.
  104. @216
    This is why I point out the reluctance of white conservatives to engage in self-segregation. Conservatives aren't the alphas they like to imagine themselves as, in reality they are a minority highly vulnerable to assimilation for the purpose of middle class striving.

    As has often been noted by the Paleo-Right, “conservative” is a meaningless term. Bankrupting one’s country on behalf of China and Israel is not, in any reasonable way, simpatico with restrained and responsible behavior. But none other than the quasi-socialist America of FDR-Nixon generally did a much better job of investing in quality industry and using the American military with some degree of restraint. Also, the America of the New Deal was much better at forbidding immigration, cultural obscenity, divorce, and drug use. In other words, we were a behaviorally conservative country prior to the mid-1970’s.

    Once the Reaganite de-regulators started to get their way in the late 70’s, that’s when the Rust Belt went to hell, wages became stagnant, movie dialogue started to be filled with obscenities, abortion rose, and families fell apart (note that some of these trends began in the early 70’s, though mainstream culture didn’t necessarily approve of them until the late 70’s). By the 80’s we started giving the Pentagon one blank check after another (I guess that became the “conservative’s” idea of smaller government).

    Boomer cucks habitually cheer on “de-regulation” as the be all, end all of “conservatism”, and you really have to chuckle at the modern Republican tactic of shaming Democrats (the party of the South before 1964) for not being “woke” enough in the past. And as Agnostic points out, at heart regulation is about rules and stringent enforcement of rules; what could be more conservative than that, if one defines “conservative” as being about responsibility?

    The Me Generation saying, in effect, “screw having any obligation to society, I wanna do whatever I want” has done no good.

  105. @dvorak

    An empty political niche that needs to be filled is what Steve Sailer once called “Green Eyeshade Conservatism”
     
    Boomer, the point is that the Libertarian quadrant is chock-full of pundits, politicians and billionaires while being devoid of voters.

    Thus it is the opposite of a "niche that needs to be filled." It is the most over-served quadrant. The Sailer strategy to renounce the Libertarian quadrant, in order to win votes and elections. The Sailer corollary is to use relief from high tariffs to fund the GOP with corporate money after it loses its billionaires.

    I don’t think he’s talking about libertarian kill the government non-sense, but rather, he’s just saying that we need to have more responsible and sane government. Which we all can agree with. Reagan, Bush etc. all spoke of “small government” when in reality they shrank government revenue while doing essentially nothing to cut down on spending. In the New Deal era politicians mostly didn’t pull this stupid crap.

    Only middle-aged to elderly people really think that the Republicans “saved” us since the 80’s. Younger people know that the GOP did virtually nothing to stop a dystopia from being created, going back to the globalism they prepped America for when they complained about Rust-belt factory workers making too much, and claimed that Asian and Latin American “refugees” were as entitled to the American dream as actual Americans were.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    Green-Eyeshade conservatives / Neoconservatives / Peggy Noonan conservatives / Reagan conservatives are all in the Libertarian quadrant (socially liberal / fiscally conservative). Being nominally pro-life is not enough to move these weak sisters into the (conservative / conservative) quadrant.

    The swing voters are in the (socially conservative / fiscally liberal) quadrant, the one that Trump won in 2016 and then squandered from his Inauguration Day forward.

    Electing GOP governors does not make Mass. and Md. voters into swing voters when it comes to national elections. These voters are in the Libertarian and Liberal quadrants and vote Dem at the national level.

  106. @Feryl

    I’m not seeing it outside of the media. Approximately 95% of those whites who identify as conservative have offspring that are white – 85% of those who identify as extreme Left. Combined with the fact that far Leftists have a much lower fertility rate and mixed race children are almost always considered non-white, and these pairings will become much less obvious over time as those race mixers are removed from the white population; we know that political persuasion is about 0.5 genetic, so this propensity will carry over to the next generation.
     
    Helllllooooo, America was 85% white in 1970, while whites by 2070 will be less than 50% of the population. Furthermore, when most non-whites in America were black there was a strong taboo against inter-racial couplings. Beginning in the early 1990's, America has become rapidly more non white (and non-black), weakening traditional taboos. Besides, look at what happened to the Anglo-Dutch of the Northeastern United States: the vast levels of immigration that happened from about 1890-1920 utterly overwhelmed the Anglo-Dutch. Even without any mixing, founding stock people were essentially being cleansed from from much of America's original territory. The remaining Anglo-Dutch have, over time, been increasingly mixed into the non-colonial population.

    Mexico, for instance, has a noticeably European elite – same for many other Hispanic nations – even after 400 years of inbreeding. It’s a myth that we’re all going to be mixed race in the future. Do an image search of former Mexican president Vincente Fox for an example of what I’m talking about. Accounting for interracial offspring, and the TFR of Leftists in question is then reduced to around 1.2 and falling; it is closer to 1.7 for conservative whites when adjusted for interracial couplings. Within two or three generations, couplings between those who are obviously white and those who are obviously non-white will largely disappear.
     
    Mexico has never "shaken" the whites who rapidly changed the genetic and ethnic character of the region. Mexico is never going to demographically revert back to what it was before European conquest. I never said that any ethnic group (be they white or otherwise) can't exist in a country, but rather, my point was that historically dominant ethnic groups in a region can be overwhelmed by military/demographic/political conquest and/or a large degree of genetic mixing*.

    I don't know what your age is, but even in the 1990's many white porn stars would refuse to work with black men, on the grounds that Southern and Lower Midwestern strip joints would refuse to book any women who did inter-racial. There is virtually no taboo about inter-racial couplings anymore, compared to what we had even 20 years ago, much less 40 or 60 years ago (when, in any event, America was far more white thereby reducing opportunities for mixing). Once a country reaches a certain "tipping point" for diversity, it becomes much harder to enforce ethnic mixing taboos, unless a particular ethnic group is highly religious and conservative. But in Catholic Latin America, people were encouraged to have a multi-cultural outlook, rather than an ethno-centric one. Whereas American white Protestants thought they and they alone were special, and focused on out-breeding and dominating other groups in America, prior to the 1950's. But since the 50's white Americans have become much more secular and multi-cultural; not a big deal in the 60's-80's, when most Americans were white. But since then, the combination of large numbers of non-white immigrants+secular and liberal whites will likely lead to much of North America being more like Central America or perhaps Mediterranean Europe in terms of ethnic mixing. Prior to 1990 America resembled Russia in terms of one historically dominant group running the country primarily for the benefit of itself, with a few other minorities being tolerated as long as they were kept in check. That America doesn't exist anymore, and most likely never will again (California and Texas rapidly became less non-white in the 70's and 80's, foreshadowing the fall of traditional , European mono-cultural America).

    "Conservative" whites? Conservative means different things to different people, at different times. Leftists in the 1960's were more conservative than most "modern" American conservatives. If by "conservative" you mean fundamentalist in religion and ethno-centrism, that's going to take a long time to develop, and will likely be fueled by a major power-grab from a particularly vexing minority (e.g. Muslims and Africans). Again though, to use Latin America as an example, crime is obviously pretty bad there, and there is political unrest from time to time, but it's nothing on the level of what you see in heavily Muslim and African regions. Ethno-centric religious fundamentalism arises from defensive posture, from being mired in highly strife-ridden regions for many generations. However, in a reasonably well-functioning society, nice and hard working people often buy into multi-culturalism, instead of retreating into racially conscious paranoia. So highly diverse societies that can manage to stay above the African and Middle-Eastern threshold of stability are going to produce liberal and culturally secular people; perhaps not Swedes, exactly, but not Somalis. Speaking of which, Somalis in St. Cloud MN elicit a lot more hostility than Mestizos in the Central Valley do.

    *Some groups just can't play well with others, necessitating that they remain a weak and isolated minority (this would include most Muslims and Sub-Saharan Africans) in order for a country to function. Heavy mixing is also possible to "dilute" the troublesome ethnic group, but outside of Brazil it's pretty unusual for large number of Africans to mix with non-Africans.

    CA and TX became Rapidly less white, i mean.

  107. @216
    This is why I point out the reluctance of white conservatives to engage in self-segregation. Conservatives aren't the alphas they like to imagine themselves as, in reality they are a minority highly vulnerable to assimilation for the purpose of middle class striving.

    Sure they segregate. They damn the world as sinful and irredeemable, and want to squash any effective collective effort at communal restoration. It’s fine and dandy for Joe Sixpack to have nice things, provided he worked hard enough for them, but I’ll be damned if too much of muh tax dollars go to those stupid government programs that never fix anything.

    “Conservatives” since the late 70’s have refused to put fuel in the engine of communal camaraderie, unwittingly making it impossible for good things to be done for the masses*. Self-righteous jerk offs looking for any excuse to turn their back on society. By the 80’s I’m sure that some of these “conservatives” would’ve derided the idea of a homosexual quarantine to stop the spread of AIDs; can’t have the government telling “consenting adults” what to do, amiright?

    *By this time much of the Left was also starting to lose it’s marbles, part of the reason the Right became so alienated from collective social works; but it was Left-wing prole champions who spearheaded many good works from about 1900-1970. The modern right, however, has tried it’s best to memory hole the wholesome and egalitarian mid-century Left, just like how it’s memory-holed the fact that the fad for collective ideologies in the mid-twentieth century coincided with personal and family well-being (compared to historical norms), while the surge toward individualism (championed by the right) in the late 20th century has produced dysfunction and despair.

  108. @Mr. Rational

    whites will never be convinced that blacks should be kicked out.
     
    Negro Fatigue is already setting in.  The sight of chimp-outs over criminals and morons who either deserved their fate (Trayvon Martin) or made their own because they AND their families are stupid (Sandra Bland, whose mother refused to give her bail money) rubs people the wrong way too.  There's a reason the enemedia suppresses this stuff; it's like acid eating at their chains of mental control.  Those chains are past their warranty period already.

    They were brought here involuntarily. That rubs so hard against the moral grain of whites that it strikes me as unfathomable.
     
    Who GAF if they were brought here involuntarily?  They have ZERO gratitude for what they have (which is considerably better than what their stay-at-home cousins have) and hate Whitey for giving it to them!  Once the public starts seeing them as the parasitic ingrates they are, it's the end.  That's coming very soon.

    Values of “gone” will tend toward local, cheap and immediate.  It doesn't matter if 95% disagree; if the other 5% are willing to fight an insurgency against the equalists, the equalists and their African pets will lose.

    Polling data shows the opposite, though–whites express more desire to uplift blacks than ever before! Maybe it’s a last hurrah before a collapse, but absent an actual societal collapse, it seems highly unlikely to me.

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    whites express more desire to uplift blacks than ever before!
     
    But do the polls distinguish between "desire to uplift" and "desire them to behave better"?  You know as well as I do that expressing the latter is verboten in PC culture.  But the latter fully recognizes the reality of black dysfunction, and it's one, maybe two steps away from "the hell with them, I want them and their problems GONE."
  109. @iffen
    Political dissolution is coming. We are long overdue for a divorce. Irreconcilable differences.

    Stop saying this. You see divorce from an UMC and above perspective. All that civil law and shit works great for the UMC and above. You want a divorce? What you will get will be how divorce works in the prole class.

    Does the prospect of a peaceful dissolution increase or decrease over time? That’s the only question that really matters.

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    Does the prospect of a peaceful dissolution increase or decrease over time?

    Since there is no plan for peaceful dissolution it could only remain a non-starter or increase.
  110. @Feryl
    This sort of musing about widespread expulsions is kinda naive, considering that even China has moderate sized populations of people who aren't Han Chinese. Likewise w/ Russia tolerating the presence of Asiatics who pre-date white people in some parts of modern-day Russia.

    The historical/genetic record is that countries tend to either be heavily multi-ethnic societies that trend over many generations to some degree of genetic mixing*, or nations in which one group is demographically dominant and the other group(s) remains a genetic and cultural minority.

    Millennials are responding to today's much less white America by heavily interbreeding with Asians and Hispanics, and even blacks (in comparison to older and much whiter generations). Latin America has historically been much more racially diverse and mixed compared to North America, but we are clearly headed down the route of Latin America. Before the 1990's, America was similar to the Chinese and Russian model of one clearly dominant group that remained isolated from several distinct minority groups (in pre-1990 America, that mostly included blacks, with some American Indians and Central Americans along for the ride).

    I suspect that Gen Z (who mostly had Gen X parents) will be the last American generation to have white people who are generally "totally" white (e.g., almost all of their parents were white). Back in the 1990's, you seemed to see maybe 1 inter-racial couple for every 25 mono-racial couples in the Northern US. But since the Obama era there's been a massive swing towards inter-racial couples; it may not seem that big of a deal yet, but you have to take into account just how unusual inter-racial couples were as recently as the early 90's.

    I've also noticed that Gen Z is much more likely to hang out in mixed race social circles; hate to say it to the Stormfront types, but the ethnic folkways of traditional America are just never coming back. Some regions may retain their general ethnic character, but America overall won't. Again, that's similar to the Asiatic natives of certain regions of Russia still retaining some power many centuries after the white Rus came to rule the land. And no time soon are the Indian reservations going to be raided in order to destroy what's left of the American Indian.

    *This is true even of Mediterranean whites, who are a mixture of various Caucasian ethnic groups

    Agree expulsion talk is fantasy. Even deporting non-citizens–the only kind of ‘expulsion’ that whites could possibly get on board with–is highly unlikely. Not sure why people assume that when I predict political dissolution I’m predicting ethnostates. The average voluntary relocation rate will be, if I have to guess, around 10%-20%. It may modestly change the demographic compositions of what comes out of the former US, but that’s all I suspect will happen.

    Re: intermarriage and Latin America, will North America ever get to the point where Latin America is now, where more Euro ancestry is implicitly considered good, or will Latin America move more towards North America now, where more Euro ancestry is implicitly considered bad?

  111. @Mr. Rational

    Yuppies still want cheap foreigners to work as nannies and gardeners, and were never going to have robots do that work.
     
    You think so?  I think the robot lawnmower (perhaps on a subscription service) is going to make huge inroads in just a few years.  Why employ a bunch of brown guys at $15/hr and charge you $100 a week when you can have this neat, quiet little electric robot cut all the grass for $0.50 worth of juice?

    First thing that's gonna happen is lawn services are going to switch to robots; the owner will drop them off, they'll do their thing, and he'll come back and pick them up when they're done.  He'll be able to charge half what the Mexicans do because he only has to pay a mechanic part-time.  (The real fun will be catching the Mexicans vandalizing the robots on the internal cameras and deporting them.)  Then people will start buying their own.

    Alien Luddites, ha!

  112. @Corvinus
    "This is indeed how insurgencies start. This is extremely irresponsible of her."

    The fight should have begun a long time ago, but the armchair warriors here at this fine site, with their own "toxic mix of cognitive vapidity and vengeful bloodlust", just talk and seem to wait for a more opportune moment.

    Your coming here and trying to goad people into violence isn’t appreciated, either. You know I’ve always strongly condemned it. If there is any way to work things out by avoiding it, we should all be willing to make a lot of concessions to realize that. Insurgency is hell and war is even worse.

  113. @Mr. Rational

    Drone strikes on domestic soil

    Swallwell nukes
     

    .22 rounds to the heads of the enforcers.  Or their bodyguards.  Or family, if the rest are inaccessible.

    It's already a dirty war.  When our side starts fighting dirty too, they'll cave.

    Not here, please. It’s not just that I emphatically don’t want that–there are plenty of things I don’t agree with that I like seeing discussed–it’s also that these kinds of conversations are the ones that will give paypal, patreon, etc the excuse they need to boot Steve Sailer and other writers who make a living at this, and the Unz Review’s own account.

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    (First two attempts to reply to this vanished into the ether.  Trying again.)

    Not here, please. It’s not just that I emphatically don’t want that
     
    I don't want it either.  It's not my wish.  It's not even my prediction.  It's my observation that it's already on.  Pim Fortuyn and Steve Scalise were some of the first, and Walter Luebcke was part of the backlash.

    Nobody's gone after left-wing pols in the US... yet.  The left could guarantee that didn't happen by dropping their crazy war on Whites, men, and especially White men.  They won't, because crazy.  That makes it inevitable that it will come here too.  The left, by their actions, are bringing it on.  I have no say in the matter, just observing.
  114. @Audacious Epigone
    Polling data shows the opposite, though--whites express more desire to uplift blacks than ever before! Maybe it's a last hurrah before a collapse, but absent an actual societal collapse, it seems highly unlikely to me.

    whites express more desire to uplift blacks than ever before!

    But do the polls distinguish between “desire to uplift” and “desire them to behave better”?  You know as well as I do that expressing the latter is verboten in PC culture.  But the latter fully recognizes the reality of black dysfunction, and it’s one, maybe two steps away from “the hell with them, I want them and their problems GONE.”

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    As in we're going to give it absolutely everything we have for one last really strong push and then...

    Interesting. I doubt it, but that doesn't mean anything.
  115. @Oblivionrecurs
    Warren is too much of a policy hog to win, she'll get traction throughout the debate season, but isn't charismatic enough to win over anyone at the voting booth, especially if other more liked candidates take her positions

    I'd be inclined to count her out before super Tuesday without a seriously strong showing in the early 4.

    I’d be inclined to count her out before super Tuesday without a seriously strong showing in the early 4.

    I wouldn’t be particularly surprised if she won the Iowa caucus. If she does, she’ll almost certainly win the New Hampshire primary as well. That would make her the near-prohibitive front-runner (but I suppose Southern Black voters could still turn things around for Harris).

  116. @Mr. Rational

    whites express more desire to uplift blacks than ever before!
     
    But do the polls distinguish between "desire to uplift" and "desire them to behave better"?  You know as well as I do that expressing the latter is verboten in PC culture.  But the latter fully recognizes the reality of black dysfunction, and it's one, maybe two steps away from "the hell with them, I want them and their problems GONE."

    As in we’re going to give it absolutely everything we have for one last really strong push and then…

    Interesting. I doubt it, but that doesn’t mean anything.

  117. @Audacious Epigone
    Not here, please. It's not just that I emphatically don't want that--there are plenty of things I don't agree with that I like seeing discussed--it's also that these kinds of conversations are the ones that will give paypal, patreon, etc the excuse they need to boot Steve Sailer and other writers who make a living at this, and the Unz Review's own account.

    (First two attempts to reply to this vanished into the ether.  Trying again.)

    Not here, please. It’s not just that I emphatically don’t want that

    I don’t want it either.  It’s not my wish.  It’s not even my prediction.  It’s my observation that it’s already on.  Pim Fortuyn and Steve Scalise were some of the first, and Walter Luebcke was part of the backlash.

    Nobody’s gone after left-wing pols in the US… yet.  The left could guarantee that didn’t happen by dropping their crazy war on Whites, men, and especially White men.  They won’t, because crazy.  That makes it inevitable that it will come here too.  The left, by their actions, are bringing it on.  I have no say in the matter, just observing.

  118. @Feryl
    I don't think he's talking about libertarian kill the government non-sense, but rather, he's just saying that we need to have more responsible and sane government. Which we all can agree with. Reagan, Bush etc. all spoke of "small government" when in reality they shrank government revenue while doing essentially nothing to cut down on spending. In the New Deal era politicians mostly didn't pull this stupid crap.

    Only middle-aged to elderly people really think that the Republicans "saved" us since the 80's. Younger people know that the GOP did virtually nothing to stop a dystopia from being created, going back to the globalism they prepped America for when they complained about Rust-belt factory workers making too much, and claimed that Asian and Latin American "refugees" were as entitled to the American dream as actual Americans were.

    Green-Eyeshade conservatives / Neoconservatives / Peggy Noonan conservatives / Reagan conservatives are all in the Libertarian quadrant (socially liberal / fiscally conservative). Being nominally pro-life is not enough to move these weak sisters into the (conservative / conservative) quadrant.

    The swing voters are in the (socially conservative / fiscally liberal) quadrant, the one that Trump won in 2016 and then squandered from his Inauguration Day forward.

    Electing GOP governors does not make Mass. and Md. voters into swing voters when it comes to national elections. These voters are in the Libertarian and Liberal quadrants and vote Dem at the national level.

  119. @Audacious Epigone
    Does the prospect of a peaceful dissolution increase or decrease over time? That's the only question that really matters.

    Does the prospect of a peaceful dissolution increase or decrease over time?

    Since there is no plan for peaceful dissolution it could only remain a non-starter or increase.

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