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From YouGov, the percentages who favor overturning the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education ruling declaring unconstitutional racial segregation in public schools. “Not sure” responses, constituting 21% of the total, are excluded so that the residuals are the percentages who favor allowing the ruling to stand unchallenged:

This is a question for which full cross-tabs would be particularly useful. It looks as though there is virtually no support among white liberals for overturning Brown while there is quite a bit among, well, actual browns–as much as there is among white Republicans. Several big city school districts ran out of white kids decades ago, and many of the POCs remaining presumably think it reasonable to have black high schools, Hispanic high schools, and maybe a magnet school or two to for Asians, rather than several mixed schools where the potential for escalating racial tensions are an ever present concern.

To the objection that the relatively high support among young non-whites is attributable to confusion about the question itself, the response to overturn additionally states that this would “permit racial segregation in public schools” while the response to uphold the decision states that this will “maintain the ban on racial segregation in public schools”, so it probably shouldn’t be dismissed on that account.

Perceptions of Zoomers have a bipolar feel to them. In this same questionnaire, for instance, we see young people are the most supportive of affirmatively enforcing racial desegregation through the use of mandatory busing. What gives?

I think most Zoomers are Woke. Wokeness is ubiquitous in pop culture, academia, major media, and the corporate world, after all. Wokeness is the default position among Gen Z to a much greater extent than it has been even for Millennials.

There is a sizable minority of Zoomer dissidents, however, who are stridently and unapologetically opposed to Wokeness. These dissident Zoomers get most of their information through alternative media. Theirs is an information ecosystem that is largely separate from the corporate media mainstream. This contingent constitutes around one-fifth of all Zoomers and closer to half of all the generation’s white males. These whippersnappers are driving the blue checkmarks insane.

While Zoomers want intervention–either to force desegregation or allow officially sanctioned segregation–Boomers still hold onto a classically liberal approach. As they see it, individuals should be able, through the personal choices they make, to carve out the lives they want for themselves. The state obviously shouldn’t racially segregate, but it shouldn’t forcibly desegregate, either. They lived free and once they die, the aspiration to live free will die with them.

 
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  1. For all the talk of based zoomers, there are two confounding factors.

    One, Gen Z is the brownest generation. Lots of POCs call themselves conservative but vote Democrat anyway. Voting is a racial thing.

    Two, while it is the most conservative generation, that isn’t a great accomplishment. We are getting excited about just 30 percent of the age group.

    • Replies: @James Bowery
    It's not "confounding" if deception is purposeful. Cui Bono?
  2. I honestly think that a lot of people just got confused by the wording.

    Even very simply worded polls can show wildly varying results, depending on how a question is worded.

    I also doubt that most poll respondents actually take these polls seriously. My guess is that they don’t spend much time actually thinking through what’s being asked. They just give a snap judgement based on a few words.

  3. Epic blackpill here today from Audacious Epigone

    Boomers still hold onto a classically liberal approach … They lived free, and once they die, the aspiration to live free will die with them.

    So not much hope then? The anti-poz Zoomers as authoritarian as those who would oppress them?

    Higher spiritual powers maybe yet will show their hand …

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    So not much hope then? The anti-poz Zoomers as authoritarian as those who would oppress them?
     
    How many anti-poz Zoomers are there? They're such a tiny handful that they're hardly even relevant. Zoomers have been marinated in the poz from birth. They don't even know what it means to be anti-poz.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the "Gen Z is incredibly based and they'll save us" fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.

    As to whether Zoomers are authoritarian in general terms, again they've been marinated since birth in soft totalitarianism. They are incapable of comprehending a society in which people think for themselves. The very idea of people thinking for themselves makes them cry.
  4. Should the government enforce segregation or integration?

    Answer: No.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Boomer!

    (I agree with you--freedom of association is the only possible chance this disunited states empire has for holding itself together internally).
  5. Epigone, have you ever found a comparable poll on present-day attitudes on overturning Loving v. Virginia?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    No, but the GSS does ask about support for laws banning interracial marriage. It's now in the single digits, and I don't expect support for overturning would be much higher than that.
  6. Hispanics actually outnumber whites on this one, probably for the reasons you cite.

    I’m wondering, what would people think about lowering the qualifications for ‘whiteness’ and attempting to subvert as many Hispanics as possible? Some are pretty pale.

    • Replies: @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    Most white Hispanics would ideally want to bring their maids from back home. They also wish for the day that Thanksgiving food can be replaced.

    White Hispanics are not Anglos, and many descend either from colonials who suffered under British privateers, or from later European groups in the republican age that were taught to hate the Anglo-German world (not to mention, in Latin countries Christian Arabs and East Asians join the ranks of the elite often; even if considered guests at times, people do not mind it, the food and appliances numb them). And since these people are (mostly) whites, they remember more often any slight America gave one of the Latin countries. The friendliest Latin countries to America, other than those historical near-colonies north of Panama, are precisely those in the South Cone not only with higher white pop, but also higher Germanic percentages in these populations.

    Add to that the heritage Cath vs Prot conflict, and you see white Hispanics are not too different from the Irish. Meaning, integration of white Hispanics would be quite difficult, and even if achieved, the lower browner friends of the Irish will stay by association. 500 years of very separate development and tons of enmity (and I may even add, the demographic differences between medieval England and Andalus/Hispania) cannot be brushed with just a few years of alt-right.

    Also, those Whispanics who go Republican tended to be the rich college libertarian types from elite emigré circles, Rubio a prime example. However, I do sense the wokeism of the last decade has soured some, specially the young men who compete with richer educated whites and tougher burlier blacks for jobs and women, and who probably bring some racism from back home.

    It is a hard circle to square, but the last sentence maybe shows a clue. For what it's worth, average Whispanics are not as capitalist as WASPs, nor as Marxist as AOC. Perhaps the way to sell to them is to focus on economic nationalism, law and order (includes wall, but also against colored crime, from which many fled), and good relations with the world instead of endless wars and globalization.

    That said... no strong race talk should be emphasized; at least none of the ethnostate talk, and maybe tone down the more "obligatory" segregationism. Whispanics, perhaps more than anyone, are quite racially aware but simultaneously do not want to tip the pot, as their 500 year old society was always a multiracial hierarchy based on consensual tyranny. (Obviously the fall of Catholicism and the rise of wasp-enabled freemasons and commies has shook that order up, making Whispanics a most vapid elite while Afro/Indohispanics overwhelm them slowly but surely... but I digress). Maybe eventually they will be as race realist as Catholic Croats or Hungarians, but even then, I doubt they will go the way of Argentina; maybe Chile at best (lots of whites and Arauca indian descendants)

    And even then, these people might not want to sing the anthem, and might have illegal relatives or friends, or simply are here for the dollars hoping they will not run out of white backers; and thus will not vote R/Trump/nationalist. Even then, maybe a healthy 30% can help tip some elections. But, like 2016 taught us, this 30% actually liked candidate Trump enough. Could be a pointer...
    , @nebulafox
    Well, it'd be a pretty smart idea for everybody involved. It's not even all that wrong of an idea: the majority of Mexicans (not to be confused with Central Americans) are either white or part-white already. There are a lot of recent Hispanic immigrant parents out there who, shockingly enough, really, really don't want their kids to be primarily Spanish-speaking cheap labor: the whole point of coming for them was that they wouldn't be. This isn't new, as Ron Unz can vouch for back in his school-language fighting days. And they come from cultures where having paler skin is still rather prized. Intermarriage is already common.

    (In my more cynical moments, I think the oligarchs like to embrace as much Spanish-speaking media as possible precisely to stem upward mobility and prevent assimilation and intermarriage, with all the potential adoption of uppity American-isms that could take place. They want nice, docile workers alienated from the society around them, not yet more problematic Americans.)

    But that's what I said: a smart, pragmatic idea. Which is why a lot of the pinheads on the alt-right would never embrace it. And much of the GOP, of course, still thinks that if they can find the right Spanish-language marketers, they can convince them to embrace crony capitalist fetishism.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    The big question is why would they want to? I advise every white person I know to select "other" or some comparable option as their race on applications of any kind--mortgage, university, job, etc--because being white is an enormous handicap in modern America.
  7. Nothing to see here

    Just a walking embodiment of stereotypes

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Jonathan (((Abramson))).  Every. Single. Time.

    (@1AverageWhtMan)
     
    "Hello, fellow white people!  Let me tell you why you should feel guilty about this."
  8. @216
    Nothing to see here

    https://twitter.com/1AverageWhtMan/status/1150074214856167425

    Just a walking embodiment of stereotypes

    Jonathan (((Abramson))).  Every. Single. Time.

    (@1AverageWhtMan)

    “Hello, fellow white people!  Let me tell you why you should feel guilty about this.”

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    The question itself is comedy gold.

    The law says school districts are to be de-segregated, this has been the law for more than sixty years, and in most areas they remain completely segregated.

    The cities in my Northeast US state are almost completely black and hispanic. The few whites that live in those cities are almost all singles or others without school age children.

    The suburbs, exurbs, and rural areas are the exact opposite.

    The focus on "the law" vs "the real world" is another "big lie" that makes public policy debates a joke.

    The Brown decision was judges trying to herd cats--they got to watch the white kitties run in every direction.

    Here, kitty, kitty!
  9. PCR’d ‘The New Color Line’ debunks brown vs board.
    Worst decision ever, totaly undemocratic.
    Started the whole process of legislating from the bench.

  10. Polls from the time had most southern blacks opposed to the Brown decision

    • Replies: @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    Just like conservative/whiter Hispanics against mass immigration, or moderate Muslims for America, those groups in those polls are important but can be subverted by offering racial vengeance power to the mini-elites of these groups. Specially if external events don't help (9/11 for Muslims, 90s globalization for Latam). Normally the GOP recognized it, it managed black leadership until FDR like this, relatively well (save for the South). Unfortunately, this devolved into the typical GOP wealthy wasp pandering after blacks moved to the cities to become wage slaves; thus brown masses started wanting more standoffish elites to ask for a share of the power, not just more scraps and gibs (communist infiltration did not help either, MLK and Cesar Chavez meeting with the relatively center-lib Kennedys and posing as leaders).

    Thus, two lessons - southern blacks at the time of Brown v Board were proven right in their opinion, but by the time of LBJ they themselves did not mind taking the checks and naming their Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X Streets on top of their Lincoln or George Washington Carver or Zora Neale Hurston streets... or civil war memorials... so the GOP must tread lightly, and not just offer gdp talk (nor ethnostate talk for that matter; but instill enough respect and gratefulness for the gentile-white-led order through patriotic corporate dirigisme and immigration moratorium, to allow the melting pot to simmer - and maybe remain whitish enough).

  11. I would just warn that some of this might be to confusion about the question. Most people don’t know much about Supreme Court decisions, even very famous ones. For example, in Pew 2013 survey about Roe v. Wade, when presented with the question ‘what issue does Roe v. Wade concern?’ and then a list of options, only 63% said abortion. 37% either said they did not know or picked a wrong answer. And even if they are fed information about the holding, they might not really know what they are saying when asked to take a position in favor of the decision or against it.

    From what I have seen of Zoomer opinion the racial division is pronounced (which is unsurprising but obviously affects the overall results because whites are a minority of that age group) but so is the gender division. I know that is true on the race/immigration questions that Reuters has asked in the past several years. On the other hand according to the 2016 GSS 85% of whites 18-29 oppose hiring preferences for blacks (AFFRMACT) compared to 82% of whites 65+. Some of that might be due to the use of ‘preference’ as opposed to ‘affirmative action’ and the mention of blacks specifically.

  12. @Mr. Rational
    Jonathan (((Abramson))).  Every. Single. Time.

    (@1AverageWhtMan)
     
    "Hello, fellow white people!  Let me tell you why you should feel guilty about this."

    The question itself is comedy gold.

    The law says school districts are to be de-segregated, this has been the law for more than sixty years, and in most areas they remain completely segregated.

    The cities in my Northeast US state are almost completely black and hispanic. The few whites that live in those cities are almost all singles or others without school age children.

    The suburbs, exurbs, and rural areas are the exact opposite.

    The focus on “the law” vs “the real world” is another “big lie” that makes public policy debates a joke.

    The Brown decision was judges trying to herd cats–they got to watch the white kitties run in every direction.

    Here, kitty, kitty!

    • Replies: @JudgeSmails
    "Agree" and "Lol".
    , @Anon
    Brown vs Board of Ed. had no relevance in the Northeast as we didn't have Jim Crow up here. We had other systems which collapsed in the general chaos of the '60s and the combination of the riots and blockbusting and the move to the suburbs, etc.
  13. “They lived free and once they die, the aspiration to live free will die with them.”

    That seems an odd prediction. Even the so called left wants to live free. Free of cost.

    Do you suppose an ideology that posits there is no such thing as objectivity, no such thing as boys and girls, will survive real hardship in real time? Say famine or plague or nuclear war? Normalcy bias says nothing like that will ever happen. Or what about hanging by your thumbs in a dungeon. Might that make an SJW yearn to live free?

    Or did I totally misunderstand that last sentence?

    A nod to Peak Stupidity:

    “When the shit hits the fan the stupid stops.”

    • Replies: @216
    South Africa is still ticking along, weakened, but facing no real imminent threat of secession or invasion.

    And this is after the bursting of the commodity bubble and subsequent decline of mining output and employment.

    So I think things can go along for quite some time, barring another Depression, energy crisis or major war.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Fair points, all of them.
  14. 216 says:
    @WorkingClass
    "They lived free and once they die, the aspiration to live free will die with them."

    That seems an odd prediction. Even the so called left wants to live free. Free of cost.

    Do you suppose an ideology that posits there is no such thing as objectivity, no such thing as boys and girls, will survive real hardship in real time? Say famine or plague or nuclear war? Normalcy bias says nothing like that will ever happen. Or what about hanging by your thumbs in a dungeon. Might that make an SJW yearn to live free?

    Or did I totally misunderstand that last sentence?

    A nod to Peak Stupidity:

    "When the shit hits the fan the stupid stops."

    South Africa is still ticking along, weakened, but facing no real imminent threat of secession or invasion.

    And this is after the bursting of the commodity bubble and subsequent decline of mining output and employment.

    So I think things can go along for quite some time, barring another Depression, energy crisis or major war.

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    About 40% of South African White population has since 1994 has spent extensive periods abroad-- many could go to UK, Ireland, EU, Australia, NZ.
    For many the departure was temporary, and many returned to SA during the commodity boom as housing is cheaper than say SE England.

    But to where can 40% of White Americans flee? The law of big numbers makes such an exodus or "relief valve" impossible.
    , @NYMOM
    South Africa is "ticking along" with Whites being afraid to go outside without an armed escort and now the ANC trying to pass a bill to remove guns from the security forces that protect them. This is just in the major cities, the isolated farm settlements are just on their own as far as security goes...

    Not to mention the periodic riots that occur as Blacks take to the streets in these so-called "protests" that include setting fire to schools and other public buildings as they rampage along unchecked.

    How is that ticking along????

    Those people need to be evacuated asap to places like Australia or New Zealand as they are facing a slow-moving genocide.
  15. @SFG
    Hispanics actually outnumber whites on this one, probably for the reasons you cite.

    I'm wondering, what would people think about lowering the qualifications for 'whiteness' and attempting to subvert as many Hispanics as possible? Some are pretty pale.

    Most white Hispanics would ideally want to bring their maids from back home. They also wish for the day that Thanksgiving food can be replaced.

    White Hispanics are not Anglos, and many descend either from colonials who suffered under British privateers, or from later European groups in the republican age that were taught to hate the Anglo-German world (not to mention, in Latin countries Christian Arabs and East Asians join the ranks of the elite often; even if considered guests at times, people do not mind it, the food and appliances numb them). And since these people are (mostly) whites, they remember more often any slight America gave one of the Latin countries. The friendliest Latin countries to America, other than those historical near-colonies north of Panama, are precisely those in the South Cone not only with higher white pop, but also higher Germanic percentages in these populations.

    Add to that the heritage Cath vs Prot conflict, and you see white Hispanics are not too different from the Irish. Meaning, integration of white Hispanics would be quite difficult, and even if achieved, the lower browner friends of the Irish will stay by association. 500 years of very separate development and tons of enmity (and I may even add, the demographic differences between medieval England and Andalus/Hispania) cannot be brushed with just a few years of alt-right.

    Also, those Whispanics who go Republican tended to be the rich college libertarian types from elite emigré circles, Rubio a prime example. However, I do sense the wokeism of the last decade has soured some, specially the young men who compete with richer educated whites and tougher burlier blacks for jobs and women, and who probably bring some racism from back home.

    It is a hard circle to square, but the last sentence maybe shows a clue. For what it’s worth, average Whispanics are not as capitalist as WASPs, nor as Marxist as AOC. Perhaps the way to sell to them is to focus on economic nationalism, law and order (includes wall, but also against colored crime, from which many fled), and good relations with the world instead of endless wars and globalization.

    That said… no strong race talk should be emphasized; at least none of the ethnostate talk, and maybe tone down the more “obligatory” segregationism. Whispanics, perhaps more than anyone, are quite racially aware but simultaneously do not want to tip the pot, as their 500 year old society was always a multiracial hierarchy based on consensual tyranny. (Obviously the fall of Catholicism and the rise of wasp-enabled freemasons and commies has shook that order up, making Whispanics a most vapid elite while Afro/Indohispanics overwhelm them slowly but surely… but I digress). Maybe eventually they will be as race realist as Catholic Croats or Hungarians, but even then, I doubt they will go the way of Argentina; maybe Chile at best (lots of whites and Arauca indian descendants)

    And even then, these people might not want to sing the anthem, and might have illegal relatives or friends, or simply are here for the dollars hoping they will not run out of white backers; and thus will not vote R/Trump/nationalist. Even then, maybe a healthy 30% can help tip some elections. But, like 2016 taught us, this 30% actually liked candidate Trump enough. Could be a pointer…

  16. @Oblivionrecurs
    Polls from the time had most southern blacks opposed to the Brown decision

    Just like conservative/whiter Hispanics against mass immigration, or moderate Muslims for America, those groups in those polls are important but can be subverted by offering racial vengeance power to the mini-elites of these groups. Specially if external events don’t help (9/11 for Muslims, 90s globalization for Latam). Normally the GOP recognized it, it managed black leadership until FDR like this, relatively well (save for the South). Unfortunately, this devolved into the typical GOP wealthy wasp pandering after blacks moved to the cities to become wage slaves; thus brown masses started wanting more standoffish elites to ask for a share of the power, not just more scraps and gibs (communist infiltration did not help either, MLK and Cesar Chavez meeting with the relatively center-lib Kennedys and posing as leaders).

    Thus, two lessons – southern blacks at the time of Brown v Board were proven right in their opinion, but by the time of LBJ they themselves did not mind taking the checks and naming their Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X Streets on top of their Lincoln or George Washington Carver or Zora Neale Hurston streets… or civil war memorials… so the GOP must tread lightly, and not just offer gdp talk (nor ethnostate talk for that matter; but instill enough respect and gratefulness for the gentile-white-led order through patriotic corporate dirigisme and immigration moratorium, to allow the melting pot to simmer – and maybe remain whitish enough).

  17. From another thread.

    YOU, “Audacious” posted this:

    Yes, by persuasion rather than by banning.

    My concern is someone who I presume is a boomer (if you stated your age, sorry I’m unable to recall it) appears to be cryptically trying to prod young guys into doing something reckless that will ruin them. You’ve had decades, under more favorable circumstances, to do whatever it is you think needs doing. Why haven’t you done so? If this is all just planning about what to do once the proverbial SHTF, fine, but please make it clear that is what you’re discussing.

    and then closed the comments (or somebody else did, doesn’t matter).

    Looks………..dumb.

    I mean, it’s O.K. if you don’t want to engage with me. It’s even O.K. (as I told you) to tell me to fuck off your material and I will.
    I even told you to ban me on your material (or have me banned).
    All that is O.K.

    What is not O.K. is posting:

    Yes, by persuasion rather than by banning.

    and then “comments closed”.
    This is the method used all over the Internet. Seeing it here is….how to put it…refreshing.
    If that method just started to get used here, fine, no prob, but let acknowledge it.

    That’s for the style (or lack of it).

    My concern is someone who I presume is a boomer (if you stated your age, sorry I’m unable to recall it) appears to be cryptically trying to prod young guys into doing something reckless that will ruin them.

    Two options here:
    You do know what my angle is and you are simply pulling shit. That’s O.K. I mean, that’s the method used on 95% of public communication as we speak.
    Or, you are actually dumb. I mean it. As “streetwise dumb; no common sense dumb”.
    My take: 30/70 former/later.
    That’s for you, personally.

    As for the argument:

    You’ve had decades, under more favorable circumstances, to do whatever it is you think needs doing.

    Oh my, how wrong you are. You couldn’t be more wrong. What part of “IMMIGRATION” and “OFFSHORING” you can not get?

    Why haven’t you done so?

    Khm…demographics/accelerated globo-homo?!? Can you get those words and the meaning of it? You can’t be THAT dumb.

    If this is all just planning about what to do once the proverbial SHTF, fine, but please make it clear that is what you’re discussing.

    No it is NOT.
    Or, just for you, listen carefully: No, it is NOT about what to do once the proverbial SHTF.
    You really don’t get it.
    Dumb. Just dumb.

    And you are an author here.
    Fuck it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Comments are set to automatically close after seven days on all posts. That was just unfortunate timing.

    Why are you not explicit? It's difficult to parse exactly what you're trying to say. There is an enormous amount of room for interpretation. If by it's very nature it must be cryptically communicated, this isn't the place for it.
  18. @SFG
    Hispanics actually outnumber whites on this one, probably for the reasons you cite.

    I'm wondering, what would people think about lowering the qualifications for 'whiteness' and attempting to subvert as many Hispanics as possible? Some are pretty pale.

    Well, it’d be a pretty smart idea for everybody involved. It’s not even all that wrong of an idea: the majority of Mexicans (not to be confused with Central Americans) are either white or part-white already. There are a lot of recent Hispanic immigrant parents out there who, shockingly enough, really, really don’t want their kids to be primarily Spanish-speaking cheap labor: the whole point of coming for them was that they wouldn’t be. This isn’t new, as Ron Unz can vouch for back in his school-language fighting days. And they come from cultures where having paler skin is still rather prized. Intermarriage is already common.

    (In my more cynical moments, I think the oligarchs like to embrace as much Spanish-speaking media as possible precisely to stem upward mobility and prevent assimilation and intermarriage, with all the potential adoption of uppity American-isms that could take place. They want nice, docile workers alienated from the society around them, not yet more problematic Americans.)

    But that’s what I said: a smart, pragmatic idea. Which is why a lot of the pinheads on the alt-right would never embrace it. And much of the GOP, of course, still thinks that if they can find the right Spanish-language marketers, they can convince them to embrace crony capitalist fetishism.

  19. @Justvisiting
    The question itself is comedy gold.

    The law says school districts are to be de-segregated, this has been the law for more than sixty years, and in most areas they remain completely segregated.

    The cities in my Northeast US state are almost completely black and hispanic. The few whites that live in those cities are almost all singles or others without school age children.

    The suburbs, exurbs, and rural areas are the exact opposite.

    The focus on "the law" vs "the real world" is another "big lie" that makes public policy debates a joke.

    The Brown decision was judges trying to herd cats--they got to watch the white kitties run in every direction.

    Here, kitty, kitty!

    “Agree” and “Lol”.

  20. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Found the thread. Honestly you're not necessarily wrong (Mr. Rational and I are often on the same page) but really the UNZ Review doesn't seem like the place to plan a revolution. But yes, I do believe that whites are even more fucked (and hated) than even some "based" people like Audacious Epigone believe. There is no political solution.

    Do you have any other method of communication?

    ..really the UNZ Review doesn’t seem like the place to plan a revolution.

    Oh, I do know that.
    Although I wouldn’t really call it “revolution”, but let’s keep the focus here.
    I have zero problems with people here even baning that type of chat around. I mean, let’s not fool ourselves. Besides, this isn’t the place/media for it. You can’t plan LARP section exercise on a public forum, let alone something serious.

    What I have a problem is DISCOURAGING that train of thought.
    Makes sense?

    Now, for this:

    There is no political solution.

    actually, see ,I do believe there is.
    This is a scenario, for example:
    A bunch of US counties simply reject the authority of the REGIME in the Washington D.C.

    Of course, the REGIME would try to re-impose its authorty by ANY means necessary.

    Now…the crux of the matter: if….IF…those counties have some feasible force of arms at their disposal maybe it will all stop at posturing. No shooting. No……………..shooting.
    Makes sense?

    As for this:

    Do you have any other method of communication?

    it’s possible, of course.
    But, you must be clear about two things if we start “blabing” in such a way:
    We just got on the “list”.
    Whatever we type/say there “they” will see. Make no mistake about it.

    Bottom line, it’s possible to talk about the topic in more detail in such a way, but not specifics.
    Say, what movies/fiction books do: a hypothetical scenario(s) in a fictional part of the world. I mean…hahaha…I read Clancy book describing a suicide passenger plane hitting US Congress with President there. Imagine that. True, it was Japs, not some “terrorists”, but still. My, I can even imagine that somebody read the book before 9/11.
    Hope it makes sense.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    This is a scenario, for example:
    A bunch of US counties simply reject the authority of the REGIME in the Washington D.C.

    Of course, the REGIME would try to re-impose its authorty by ANY means necessary.

    Now…the crux of the matter: if….IF…those counties have some feasible force of arms at their disposal maybe it will all stop at posturing. No shooting. No……………..shooting.
    Makes sense?

     
    You're more or less proposing the plot of the novel "Victoria" by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.

    I can't see it working.  The divide in the USA isn't between states, it's white/NAM and rural/urban.  The rural areas provide everything that the urban areas require, and aside from suburban/industrial zones, urban areas produce nothing the rural areas need.  The central power CANNOT allow them to go their own way any more than it can allow meritocratic hiring in government anymore.

    Example:  if rural Pennsylvania decided to charge New York the world price of $15 per million BTU for gas from the Marcellus shale, New York would be devastated; it would be unable to pay for its electricity or even to stay warm in the winter.  Ditto if the corn belt decided to double prices or withhold shipments of grains and meat to gain relief from unwanted regulation or minority invaders.  There would be riots within a week.  All the inner cities would be in flames and the wealthy areas would be under siege.  The top elites have their escape routes and bolt-holes, but they can't save their enforcers and the NAMs hate them as much as they hate any other Whites.  Losing their enforcers means giving up power and not getting it back.

    The central power relies on sucking resources out of the White/rural areas for its existence, and the existence of the NAM voter plantations which give it "democratic" legitimacy.  The parasite cannot separate from its host without dying, and will not allow separation as long as it has the power to prevent it.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1.  Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2.  Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they're down.

    We've seen so many bridge collapses, power-line outages and pipeline explosions lately that #2 seems almost ready-made for a team to carry out against the blue urban centers.  The ideal time would be either right before election day to throw a whole bunch of statewide races, or in a winter cold snap to go for a mass casualty event and break down the elite control systems.  Fortunately for me, I'm way too old for this kind of thing so nobody's going to be picking me up as a potential terrorist; my fight right now is against the rabbits eating my garden.  All I can do is say what I see.  I hope that's enough.
  21. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Lol ok. Appreciate the chutzpah but try to write coherent sentences (or even thoughts).

    There is no political solution and a small county would easily be overrun. I have other ideas about what might work, but a tiny break off state in all likelihood would be crushed.

    Lol ok. Appreciate the chutzpah but try to write coherent sentences (or even thoughts).

    Hehe……

    There is no political solution and a small county would easily be overrun.

    It was “bunch of counties”, some of them not necessarily small, but it’s O.K.

    I have other ideas about what might work, but a tiny break off state in all likelihood would be crushed.

    Yes……of course.
    Or maybe not if on it’s (tiny) territory there are a couple of nuclear silos? Each one housing a missile. Each missile with multiple hydrogen…anyway.
    Or/and a big dam. Or/and a certain type of factory…even storage.
    Or….plenty other things/elements…….whatever.

    It’s O.K. That’s why even The Regiment (with big THE) has sergeants as shooters but captains and above as thinkers.

    All good.

  22. @Tykebomb
    For all the talk of based zoomers, there are two confounding factors.

    One, Gen Z is the brownest generation. Lots of POCs call themselves conservative but vote Democrat anyway. Voting is a racial thing.

    Two, while it is the most conservative generation, that isn't a great accomplishment. We are getting excited about just 30 percent of the age group.

    It’s not “confounding” if deception is purposeful. Cui Bono?

  23. It sounds like you’re basing your ideas off of The Turner Diaries.

    It does, I am sure.
    I am not, actually.

    Which is totally possible but very improbable. It also doesn’t talk about how the Organization was formed and how the command/organizational structure worked. Gaping black holes.

    In the book? Yes….

    I greatly enjoyed the book but it seems like the Organization would need to be greatly expanded upon in order to use it as a roadmap.

    You mean a roadmap for this particular scenario (a bunch of….)? Don’t think so.

    WLP is a genius though, everything the government does in that book is coming true today.

    Yes……
    So far the smart people on “our” side have been quite good in describing what’s wrong with the paradigm and how it will go on if unchecked.

    In my book…hehe….the lack of (practical) imagination has been staggering, so far.

    No surprise.
    See…for THAT topic you do need a senior officer material.
    So far the guys getting on the bandwagon have been from a grunt to up to a junior officer. Not even mid-level.

    In time……maybe.

  24. See…what’s funny in this type of “conversation” is that most people who have STRONG opinions what can and can not work re military stuff haven’t spent a day in the military itself.
    Well, actually it’s O.K. In this post-modern paradigm and everybody’s access to Internet, it’s normal. Having strong opinions with passionate..ahm…debates about things with no clue about.
    Just…hehe..normal.

    I’ve had this type of chat in “real” and on the Internet quite enough during the last, say, 10 years or so, so I “get” it.
    Not ONCE I’ve …hahaha….” debated” that with a guy I felt was even a Lt. Colonel. Not…….once.
    True, I can be wrong about that feeling, but…..90% I am sure I can feel the guy.
    And for THIS very topic (the “bunch…”) you’d need at least one star General with proper resume to boot. Or somebody who closely worked for such types. As I have. Making coffee…haha…and such,at least.
    Or so I say.

    The most vocal have been people who, actually, hate both guns and military.

    You said that “chut..whatever”. Yeah. Imagine how big that thing must be for a guy who hasn’t spent a day in modern military and argues about, say, MOUT/FIBUA on own soil.

    Ah…the modern world, a?

    Back to sort of serious talk: I’ll start believing something could change when I feel certain types on Websites like this. Or real, of course.
    That thing left in Pandora’s box.

  25. Hang on a minute. What’s the response rate to this survey? From what I’ve heard response rates to opinion polls these days are unbelievably low. Which makes the results almost entirely meaningless.

    Are these yougov polls online polls? If they are then the results really are entirely meaningless.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    A lot--maybe most--political polls are collected online now. I think they tend to actually be more representative than phones. This one is included in RCP's polling averages, for example.
  26. @WorkingClass
    Should the government enforce segregation or integration?

    Answer: No.

    Boomer!

    (I agree with you–freedom of association is the only possible chance this disunited states empire has for holding itself together internally).

  27. @Mr. XYZ
    Epigone, have you ever found a comparable poll on present-day attitudes on overturning Loving v. Virginia?

    No, but the GSS does ask about support for laws banning interracial marriage. It’s now in the single digits, and I don’t expect support for overturning would be much higher than that.

  28. @WorkingClass
    "They lived free and once they die, the aspiration to live free will die with them."

    That seems an odd prediction. Even the so called left wants to live free. Free of cost.

    Do you suppose an ideology that posits there is no such thing as objectivity, no such thing as boys and girls, will survive real hardship in real time? Say famine or plague or nuclear war? Normalcy bias says nothing like that will ever happen. Or what about hanging by your thumbs in a dungeon. Might that make an SJW yearn to live free?

    Or did I totally misunderstand that last sentence?

    A nod to Peak Stupidity:

    "When the shit hits the fan the stupid stops."

    Fair points, all of them.

  29. @SFG
    Hispanics actually outnumber whites on this one, probably for the reasons you cite.

    I'm wondering, what would people think about lowering the qualifications for 'whiteness' and attempting to subvert as many Hispanics as possible? Some are pretty pale.

    The big question is why would they want to? I advise every white person I know to select “other” or some comparable option as their race on applications of any kind–mortgage, university, job, etc–because being white is an enormous handicap in modern America.

  30. @Justvisiting
    The question itself is comedy gold.

    The law says school districts are to be de-segregated, this has been the law for more than sixty years, and in most areas they remain completely segregated.

    The cities in my Northeast US state are almost completely black and hispanic. The few whites that live in those cities are almost all singles or others without school age children.

    The suburbs, exurbs, and rural areas are the exact opposite.

    The focus on "the law" vs "the real world" is another "big lie" that makes public policy debates a joke.

    The Brown decision was judges trying to herd cats--they got to watch the white kitties run in every direction.

    Here, kitty, kitty!

    Brown vs Board of Ed. had no relevance in the Northeast as we didn’t have Jim Crow up here. We had other systems which collapsed in the general chaos of the ’60s and the combination of the riots and blockbusting and the move to the suburbs, etc.

  31. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    30% voted for Donald Trump. That is already the whitest "White Hispanics" voting R - Cubans, some upper class Venezuelans, and most Hispanics that have lived in the USA for centuries - Tejanos, some in Colorado, etc. Even then, for the first 2 groups, I doubt they really care about White America, they're just anti-socialism, which lines up with "our" side, for now.

    Whites have low fertility in South America anyways. The white South Americans are saved by the Spanish aversion to the Anglo Zionist empire - meaning they do not accept the SJW victim culture coming from the USA. This keeps the non-whites in their place even as their numbers increase relative to the whites. Thus we see minimal racial upheaval.

    However South America will eventually snap too - a Hispanic America will have much more cultural influence on S.A. and will bring the racial strife there eventually.

    Everybody thinks they can outrun the black/brown wave. Middle class whites, South American elites, white elites, Jews, European elites. I hate to say it but we're all going down based on this current trajectory. But it's typical of selfish whites to be kicking down: "Outsourcing WILL NEVER happen to me. Learn to code Cletus." Now their jobs are being taken by H1-B's. We need to smarten up quickly.

    Whites have low fertility everywhere. There isn’t a single US state with a white TFR at replacement any longer, not even heavily-Mormon Utah. And Western Europe? Forget about it, nowhere is even close (save for Iceland, but that entire country has the population of a third-tier American city).

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement–that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.

    Whites are behaving like American Indians before them–as a conquered people, increasingly mired in misery and hopelessness.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Is the fertility rate drop for middle/upper Non-Whites as much as the one shown for whites?

    It's going to get worse with the anti birth movement being propagated

    , @dfordoom

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement–that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.
     
    There's no such thing as "whites" - there are all kinds of people who happen to be white but the fact that they're white is not particularly important to them. Ideological affiliation is much more important to most of them. Being a liberal or a libertarian or whatever gives them a much more real sense of a shared identity. Class is also much more important than race although very few people want to admit that publicly. If you're a middle-class white it's almost certain that you despise working-class whites.

    Religion is a factor. If you're an Evangelical Christian that is certainly a much more significant identity for you than being white. Being a rural or an urban dweller is also more important to most white people than race.
    , @dfordoom

    Whites have low fertility everywhere.
     
    East Asians (and I mean east Asians who actually live in east Asian countries) have catastrophically lower fertility than any whites. Taiwanese, Singaporeans and South Koreans are not facing demographic collapse - their fertility is at extinction level.

    So whatever has driven fertility rates down has nothing whatever to do with race. It also has nothing whatever to do with specifically American problems.

    Why has fertility collapsed just about everywhere? The decline of religion, urbanisation, capitalism, consumerism, trash popular culture, the rise of feminism, way too much education - these are the most likely culprits.
    , @James Bowery
    So AE, what is the causal structure of this mire in your opinion and how do test your hypothesis?

    The Slime Mold model of The Global Economy as "Unfriendly AI" is relatively straightforward. Turning people into Mechanical Turk cells of The Slime Mold, until they are no longer needed even as consumers seems to fit the bill of an Unfriend AI taking the form of The Global Economy.

    It also provides a fairly straight forward strategy and tactic to deal with the malaise. Slime molds aren't inherently malevolent and they do learn.
    , @Corvinus
    "Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement–that they have no will to survive."

    No, that is what YOU are saying. White normies have agency. They have dreams, aspirations, desires, faults, and problems. Their issues are the result of a myriad of political and economic factors, some of their volition, and some due to forces beyond their control. White normies are not anywhere near the level of being "conquered" or "defeated" as you proclaim. It's virtue signaling on your part. Nor is there any "cheerleading" of "being replaced" by white normies; rather, they recall their own ancestors who had been virtue signaled by nativists that they should "go back to where they came from". Whatever your ethnic background is, Audicious, there were a number of your brethren you had been unwelcome because of their religious ideas, or their potential rivalry for employment, or due to their peculiar customs. White normies are sick and tired of politicians of both sides of the aisle who refuse to address the immigration problem. We have laws on the books--enforce them.

    Although, if you really want to get technical, from Alt Right leader Vox Day –> ”The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965.”

    Interesting. Basically, a specific group of whites, in this case European, who were deemed undesirable, which then opened up the floodgates to other “alien” Europeans to invade our shores.
  32. @peterAUS
    From another thread.

    YOU, "Audacious" posted this:


    Yes, by persuasion rather than by banning.

    My concern is someone who I presume is a boomer (if you stated your age, sorry I’m unable to recall it) appears to be cryptically trying to prod young guys into doing something reckless that will ruin them. You’ve had decades, under more favorable circumstances, to do whatever it is you think needs doing. Why haven’t you done so? If this is all just planning about what to do once the proverbial SHTF, fine, but please make it clear that is what you’re discussing.
     

    and then closed the comments (or somebody else did, doesn't matter).

    Looks...........dumb.

    I mean, it's O.K. if you don't want to engage with me. It's even O.K. (as I told you) to tell me to fuck off your material and I will.
    I even told you to ban me on your material (or have me banned).
    All that is O.K.

    What is not O.K. is posting:


    Yes, by persuasion rather than by banning.
     
    and then "comments closed".
    This is the method used all over the Internet. Seeing it here is....how to put it...refreshing.
    If that method just started to get used here, fine, no prob, but let acknowledge it.

    That's for the style (or lack of it).


    My concern is someone who I presume is a boomer (if you stated your age, sorry I’m unable to recall it) appears to be cryptically trying to prod young guys into doing something reckless that will ruin them.
     
    Two options here:
    You do know what my angle is and you are simply pulling shit. That's O.K. I mean, that's the method used on 95% of public communication as we speak.
    Or, you are actually dumb. I mean it. As "streetwise dumb; no common sense dumb".
    My take: 30/70 former/later.
    That's for you, personally.

    As for the argument:


    You’ve had decades, under more favorable circumstances, to do whatever it is you think needs doing.
     
    Oh my, how wrong you are. You couldn't be more wrong. What part of "IMMIGRATION" and "OFFSHORING" you can not get?

    Why haven’t you done so?
     
    Khm...demographics/accelerated globo-homo?!? Can you get those words and the meaning of it? You can't be THAT dumb.

    If this is all just planning about what to do once the proverbial SHTF, fine, but please make it clear that is what you’re discussing.
     
    No it is NOT.
    Or, just for you, listen carefully: No, it is NOT about what to do once the proverbial SHTF.
    You really don't get it.
    Dumb. Just dumb.

    And you are an author here.
    Fuck it.

    Comments are set to automatically close after seven days on all posts. That was just unfortunate timing.

    Why are you not explicit? It’s difficult to parse exactly what you’re trying to say. There is an enormous amount of room for interpretation. If by it’s very nature it must be cryptically communicated, this isn’t the place for it.

  33. @Audacious Epigone
    Whites have low fertility everywhere. There isn't a single US state with a white TFR at replacement any longer, not even heavily-Mormon Utah. And Western Europe? Forget about it, nowhere is even close (save for Iceland, but that entire country has the population of a third-tier American city).

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways--suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement--that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.

    Whites are behaving like American Indians before them--as a conquered people, increasingly mired in misery and hopelessness.

    Is the fertility rate drop for middle/upper Non-Whites as much as the one shown for whites?

    It’s going to get worse with the anti birth movement being propagated

  34. Of course Hispanics would be most supportive. Make no mistake we’ll see an armed uprising in Aztlan in our lifetimes. Joint racial salience is skyrocketing for Hispanics

    • Replies: @L Woods
    I highly doubt it. Why would any minority group want to break away from the system that privileges them?
  35. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It sounds like you're basing your ideas off of The Turner Diaries.

    Which is totally possible but very improbable. It also doesn't talk about how the Organization was formed and how the command/organizational structure worked. Gaping black holes.

    I greatly enjoyed the book but it seems like the Organization would need to be greatly expanded upon in order to use it as a roadmap. WLP is a genius though, everything the government does in that book is coming true today.

    Discussion of the turner diaries as a roadmap for anything other than an order of magnitude more suppression, deplatforming, etc of dissident views is fantasy. Please take it elsewhere.

    • Replies: @iffen
    You open the door for these commenters with your pipe dream peaceful political dissolution. Nobody believes that is feasible. If it is desirable, then why mention it if the only way to get it is through violence? If I was a true blue anti-Semite, I could see diversion written all over it.
  36. @dfordoom
    Hang on a minute. What's the response rate to this survey? From what I've heard response rates to opinion polls these days are unbelievably low. Which makes the results almost entirely meaningless.

    Are these yougov polls online polls? If they are then the results really are entirely meaningless.

    A lot–maybe most–political polls are collected online now. I think they tend to actually be more representative than phones. This one is included in RCP’s polling averages, for example.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    A lot–maybe most–political polls are collected online now. I think they tend to actually be more representative than phones. This one is included in RCP’s polling averages, for example.
     
    So is there even a way of knowing how low the response rate is?

    The problem is much more extreme with general opinion polls. Polls on voting intentions can be to a limited extent corrected for low response rate because they can be checked against reality. If your poll tells you that the Tweedledee Party is going to win 52% of the vote in the next election and they actually win 46% then you know you have a problem. If you find that your polls are underestimating the Tweedledum Party vote by 5% every time then you can factor that in or do some investigating as to what is going wrong.

    You can't do that with general questions. If you do a poll on whether people think soccer is a really dumb sport you can't check that against reality. You'll never know if your polling is wildly inaccurate. It's the same with questions on subjects like immigration, homosexual marriage, etc. You just have no way of knowing if your polling accurately reflects actual opinion.

    Polling companies obviously love online polls because they cost almost nothing. Unfortunately they're worth almost nothing.
  37. @216
    South Africa is still ticking along, weakened, but facing no real imminent threat of secession or invasion.

    And this is after the bursting of the commodity bubble and subsequent decline of mining output and employment.

    So I think things can go along for quite some time, barring another Depression, energy crisis or major war.

    About 40% of South African White population has since 1994 has spent extensive periods abroad– many could go to UK, Ireland, EU, Australia, NZ.
    For many the departure was temporary, and many returned to SA during the commodity boom as housing is cheaper than say SE England.

    But to where can 40% of White Americans flee? The law of big numbers makes such an exodus or “relief valve” impossible.

  38. @Audacious Epigone
    Whites have low fertility everywhere. There isn't a single US state with a white TFR at replacement any longer, not even heavily-Mormon Utah. And Western Europe? Forget about it, nowhere is even close (save for Iceland, but that entire country has the population of a third-tier American city).

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways--suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement--that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.

    Whites are behaving like American Indians before them--as a conquered people, increasingly mired in misery and hopelessness.

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement–that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.

    There’s no such thing as “whites” – there are all kinds of people who happen to be white but the fact that they’re white is not particularly important to them. Ideological affiliation is much more important to most of them. Being a liberal or a libertarian or whatever gives them a much more real sense of a shared identity. Class is also much more important than race although very few people want to admit that publicly. If you’re a middle-class white it’s almost certain that you despise working-class whites.

    Religion is a factor. If you’re an Evangelical Christian that is certainly a much more significant identity for you than being white. Being a rural or an urban dweller is also more important to most white people than race.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Gold box for your comment.
  39. @Audacious Epigone
    Whites have low fertility everywhere. There isn't a single US state with a white TFR at replacement any longer, not even heavily-Mormon Utah. And Western Europe? Forget about it, nowhere is even close (save for Iceland, but that entire country has the population of a third-tier American city).

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways--suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement--that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.

    Whites are behaving like American Indians before them--as a conquered people, increasingly mired in misery and hopelessness.

    Whites have low fertility everywhere.

    East Asians (and I mean east Asians who actually live in east Asian countries) have catastrophically lower fertility than any whites. Taiwanese, Singaporeans and South Koreans are not facing demographic collapse – their fertility is at extinction level.

    So whatever has driven fertility rates down has nothing whatever to do with race. It also has nothing whatever to do with specifically American problems.

    Why has fertility collapsed just about everywhere? The decline of religion, urbanisation, capitalism, consumerism, trash popular culture, the rise of feminism, way too much education – these are the most likely culprits.

    • Replies: @Anounder
    China's overall births are higher than Europe's:

    https://twitter.com/Cicerone973/status/1147242504925917185

    China also has no history to use against it (colonial guilt, Crusades, Nazis) whenever they refuse mass migration and other versions of cucking to death.
    , @Anounder
    China's overall births are higher than Europe's:

    https://twitter.com/Cicerone973/status/1147242504925917185

    China also has no history to use against it (colonial guilt, Crusades, Nazis) whenever they refuse mass migration and other versions of cucking to death.
  40. @Audacious Epigone
    A lot--maybe most--political polls are collected online now. I think they tend to actually be more representative than phones. This one is included in RCP's polling averages, for example.

    A lot–maybe most–political polls are collected online now. I think they tend to actually be more representative than phones. This one is included in RCP’s polling averages, for example.

    So is there even a way of knowing how low the response rate is?

    The problem is much more extreme with general opinion polls. Polls on voting intentions can be to a limited extent corrected for low response rate because they can be checked against reality. If your poll tells you that the Tweedledee Party is going to win 52% of the vote in the next election and they actually win 46% then you know you have a problem. If you find that your polls are underestimating the Tweedledum Party vote by 5% every time then you can factor that in or do some investigating as to what is going wrong.

    You can’t do that with general questions. If you do a poll on whether people think soccer is a really dumb sport you can’t check that against reality. You’ll never know if your polling is wildly inaccurate. It’s the same with questions on subjects like immigration, homosexual marriage, etc. You just have no way of knowing if your polling accurately reflects actual opinion.

    Polling companies obviously love online polls because they cost almost nothing. Unfortunately they’re worth almost nothing.

  41. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Asian fertility in the USA is only 1.49. Whites are at 1.66. Asian fertility is brought up by Muslims.

    In Canada, Asian areas also have extinction level fertility.

    The child free movement is bringing in many, many women , not just whites, though I am very concerned about white involvement.

    But it's kind of like this: Everybody THINKS that white women don't want kids, thus childfree is the new hip lifestyle. So Wing and Ching and Dong think it's in (it's what they're being told by the media), and they want to be like white women, so they copy it. Of course, many white women are still having babies, conservatives not represented in the media.

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.

    That’s certainly a factor. But selfishness and consumerism are probably bigger factors. Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?

    Most people compromise and have one child plus the consumer goodies. And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.

    • Replies: @Pretzel Yardstick

    Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?
     
    To answer your rhetorical question: I don't want another child or a kitchen rethink; I'd rather take a vacation in the Greek islands, except that overpopulation has made them overrun with tourists; I don't want a new car but I don't want a new child to signal my virtue; I'd choose without a second thought to live in a nicer (and less congested) neighborhood.

    And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.
     
    No, genius, one child per couple is not "extinction level." It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Since you are such a fan of quantity over quality of life, may I recommend Hong Kong for its population density? It goes with your wish on a star for more reproduction. You could have a two-room apartment on the 41st floor of a tower block with a great view of other high-rise residential filing cabinets for your fellow uber-breeders.

    , @Toronto Russian
    Excuse me, but millennials aren't consumerists.

    https://www.psychbytes.com/millennials-and-minimalism/

    Any "new mom hardship" post or comic will show you it's largely not about stuff.

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-05/sub-buzz-22730-1540837820-5.jpg

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-03/sub-buzz-2644-1540838017-1.jpg

    Want the perspective of a religious housewife rather than a "selfish feminist"? Spoken with all honesty, it's... about the same.

    I love my children.  There is no other way I’d rather spend my days on earth.  I truly desire to love my husband and children. And yet, most of these years, I have struggled in my role as a mother.

    Depressed.

    Feeling like a total failure.

    Exhausted.

    Stressed.

    Once a woman with such a tender outlook on marriage and motherhood, of being a willing helpmate for a man and raising up precious babes, slowly over time, warping into an unrecognizable person, inside and out.

    Crying.  Weeping.  Yelling.  Sitting on the couch completely numb.  Looking out the window at the woman freely walking her dog outside, my heart longing after the freedom, of being able to walk, of being able to leave the house without having to find shoes, pack a diaper bag, put on coats, buckle little people into car seats…

    Years of surviving day to day, many times wondering where the strength for the next day will come from.

    Drowning in housework.   Trying to figure out each and every day what to serve for three meals a day.  That’s not even the hard part–somehow I’ve got to load all these kids up and get to the store!  Trying to keep up with children.  Trying to teach them.  Trying to push through the exhaustion of sleepless nights.  Trying to psych myself up to go to church, because honestly, most of the time, I dread going because of how hard it is to get there and be there (but so worth it and so important to go!).   Trying not to bite my unsuspecting husband’s head off  when he comes home, when all I want to do is say “they’re all yours!” and run out the door.

    Wondering why so often I feel like such a terrible wife and mother.

    Years of going through days upon days of feeling completely alone and yet longing for some precious time just. to be. ALONE.

    What happened to the Proverbs 31 woman, who “laughs at the days to come”?

    There are days when smiling even seems like too much.  Laughing?  What is laughing?  I find myself asking the questions, either crying out to God or to myself in the presence of my poor children who have probably felt they are more of a curse to their mother rather than a blessing:

    Why is this so hard?!  Why can’t I seem to get anything done?!  What am I doing wrong?!  Why can’t I find more joy in this?!  Why aren’t I laughing at these days?!  Why, instead, am I  looking forward to the END of the day?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140123111203/http://hiddenwithyou.com/2013/11/14/desperate-housewives-no-laughing-matter-why-young-mothers-dont-need-god-they-need-help-2/
     
    , @Pretzel Yardstick

    Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?
     
    To answer your rhetorical question: I don’t want another child or a kitchen rethink; I’d rather take a vacation in the Greek islands, except that overpopulation has made them overrun with tourists; I don’t want a new car but I don’t want a new child to signal my virtue; I’d choose without a second thought to live in a nicer (and less congested) neighborhood.

    And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.

     

    No, genius, one child per couple is not “extinction level.” It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Since you are such a fan of quantity over quality of life, may I recommend Hong Kong for its population density? It goes with your wish on a star for more reproduction. You could have a two-room apartment on the 41st floor of a tower block with a great view of other high-rise residential filing cabinets for your fellow uber-breeders.
  42. @Audacious Epigone
    Whites have low fertility everywhere. There isn't a single US state with a white TFR at replacement any longer, not even heavily-Mormon Utah. And Western Europe? Forget about it, nowhere is even close (save for Iceland, but that entire country has the population of a third-tier American city).

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways--suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement--that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.

    Whites are behaving like American Indians before them--as a conquered people, increasingly mired in misery and hopelessness.

    So AE, what is the causal structure of this mire in your opinion and how do test your hypothesis?

    The Slime Mold model of The Global Economy as “Unfriendly AI” is relatively straightforward. Turning people into Mechanical Turk cells of The Slime Mold, until they are no longer needed even as consumers seems to fit the bill of an Unfriend AI taking the form of The Global Economy.

    It also provides a fairly straight forward strategy and tactic to deal with the malaise. Slime molds aren’t inherently malevolent and they do learn.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Even more than religiosity is positively correlated with fertility, educational attainment is inversely correlated with it (in women).
  43. @peterAUS

    ..really the UNZ Review doesn’t seem like the place to plan a revolution.
     
    Oh, I do know that.
    Although I wouldn't really call it "revolution", but let's keep the focus here.
    I have zero problems with people here even baning that type of chat around. I mean, let's not fool ourselves. Besides, this isn't the place/media for it. You can't plan LARP section exercise on a public forum, let alone something serious.

    What I have a problem is DISCOURAGING that train of thought.
    Makes sense?

    Now, for this:


    There is no political solution.
     
    actually, see ,I do believe there is.
    This is a scenario, for example:
    A bunch of US counties simply reject the authority of the REGIME in the Washington D.C.

    Of course, the REGIME would try to re-impose its authorty by ANY means necessary.

    Now...the crux of the matter: if....IF...those counties have some feasible force of arms at their disposal maybe it will all stop at posturing. No shooting. No.................shooting.
    Makes sense?

    As for this:


    Do you have any other method of communication?
     
    it's possible, of course.
    But, you must be clear about two things if we start "blabing" in such a way:
    We just got on the "list".
    Whatever we type/say there "they" will see. Make no mistake about it.

    Bottom line, it's possible to talk about the topic in more detail in such a way, but not specifics.
    Say, what movies/fiction books do: a hypothetical scenario(s) in a fictional part of the world. I mean...hahaha...I read Clancy book describing a suicide passenger plane hitting US Congress with President there. Imagine that. True, it was Japs, not some "terrorists", but still. My, I can even imagine that somebody read the book before 9/11.
    Hope it makes sense.

    This is a scenario, for example:
    A bunch of US counties simply reject the authority of the REGIME in the Washington D.C.

    Of course, the REGIME would try to re-impose its authorty by ANY means necessary.

    Now…the crux of the matter: if….IF…those counties have some feasible force of arms at their disposal maybe it will all stop at posturing. No shooting. No……………..shooting.
    Makes sense?

    You’re more or less proposing the plot of the novel “Victoria” by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.

    I can’t see it working.  The divide in the USA isn’t between states, it’s white/NAM and rural/urban.  The rural areas provide everything that the urban areas require, and aside from suburban/industrial zones, urban areas produce nothing the rural areas need.  The central power CANNOT allow them to go their own way any more than it can allow meritocratic hiring in government anymore.

    Example:  if rural Pennsylvania decided to charge New York the world price of $15 per million BTU for gas from the Marcellus shale, New York would be devastated; it would be unable to pay for its electricity or even to stay warm in the winter.  Ditto if the corn belt decided to double prices or withhold shipments of grains and meat to gain relief from unwanted regulation or minority invaders.  There would be riots within a week.  All the inner cities would be in flames and the wealthy areas would be under siege.  The top elites have their escape routes and bolt-holes, but they can’t save their enforcers and the NAMs hate them as much as they hate any other Whites.  Losing their enforcers means giving up power and not getting it back.

    The central power relies on sucking resources out of the White/rural areas for its existence, and the existence of the NAM voter plantations which give it “democratic” legitimacy.  The parasite cannot separate from its host without dying, and will not allow separation as long as it has the power to prevent it.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1.  Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2.  Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they’re down.

    We’ve seen so many bridge collapses, power-line outages and pipeline explosions lately that #2 seems almost ready-made for a team to carry out against the blue urban centers.  The ideal time would be either right before election day to throw a whole bunch of statewide races, or in a winter cold snap to go for a mass casualty event and break down the elite control systems.  Fortunately for me, I’m way too old for this kind of thing so nobody’s going to be picking me up as a potential terrorist; my fight right now is against the rabbits eating my garden.  All I can do is say what I see.  I hope that’s enough.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    You’re more or less proposing the plot of the novel “Victoria” by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.
     
    Wouldn't know about that plot/novel, so can't comment.

    I can’t see it working.
     
    O.K.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1. Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2. Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they’re down.
     
    O.K.

    My gut feeling when reading your comment?
    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a "nice guy".

    Make of that what you will.

    BTW, I think you are on the right track with 2. Add to it the principle "one step at the time" and you are good.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    3) Enforce the nation's immigration laws, return native fertility to replacement, deportation of all non-citizens once their legal residencies expire.

    Sure, 3) is unlikely, but it's within the realm of possibility. 2) is pure fantasy and 1) is a really, really long way off. South Africa hasn't collapsed. The rest of the West is still a long way away from the South African situation.

  44. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Asian fertility in the USA is only 1.49. Whites are at 1.66. Asian fertility is brought up by Muslims.

    In Canada, Asian areas also have extinction level fertility.

    The child free movement is bringing in many, many women , not just whites, though I am very concerned about white involvement.

    But it's kind of like this: Everybody THINKS that white women don't want kids, thus childfree is the new hip lifestyle. So Wing and Ching and Dong think it's in (it's what they're being told by the media), and they want to be like white women, so they copy it. Of course, many white women are still having babies, conservatives not represented in the media.

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.

    It all stems from a lack of religion

    Everyone feels in his heart that life on this Earth has no lasting value. You have a few novel adventures while young then it gets repetitive and boring.

    Life acquires value when it is a stage toward something better, a preparation for the world to come. Then life has meaning. Then it is worthwhile to have kids.

    Ironically, seeing life on Earth as an end in itself robs it of all meaning, a tale told by an idiot. Ironically, seeing life on Earth as unimportant compared to life in heaven, makes life on Earth important, and worth living – because it is a testing ground for that future life.

    A funny paradox, is it not?

  45. @Mr. Rational

    This is a scenario, for example:
    A bunch of US counties simply reject the authority of the REGIME in the Washington D.C.

    Of course, the REGIME would try to re-impose its authorty by ANY means necessary.

    Now…the crux of the matter: if….IF…those counties have some feasible force of arms at their disposal maybe it will all stop at posturing. No shooting. No……………..shooting.
    Makes sense?

     
    You're more or less proposing the plot of the novel "Victoria" by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.

    I can't see it working.  The divide in the USA isn't between states, it's white/NAM and rural/urban.  The rural areas provide everything that the urban areas require, and aside from suburban/industrial zones, urban areas produce nothing the rural areas need.  The central power CANNOT allow them to go their own way any more than it can allow meritocratic hiring in government anymore.

    Example:  if rural Pennsylvania decided to charge New York the world price of $15 per million BTU for gas from the Marcellus shale, New York would be devastated; it would be unable to pay for its electricity or even to stay warm in the winter.  Ditto if the corn belt decided to double prices or withhold shipments of grains and meat to gain relief from unwanted regulation or minority invaders.  There would be riots within a week.  All the inner cities would be in flames and the wealthy areas would be under siege.  The top elites have their escape routes and bolt-holes, but they can't save their enforcers and the NAMs hate them as much as they hate any other Whites.  Losing their enforcers means giving up power and not getting it back.

    The central power relies on sucking resources out of the White/rural areas for its existence, and the existence of the NAM voter plantations which give it "democratic" legitimacy.  The parasite cannot separate from its host without dying, and will not allow separation as long as it has the power to prevent it.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1.  Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2.  Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they're down.

    We've seen so many bridge collapses, power-line outages and pipeline explosions lately that #2 seems almost ready-made for a team to carry out against the blue urban centers.  The ideal time would be either right before election day to throw a whole bunch of statewide races, or in a winter cold snap to go for a mass casualty event and break down the elite control systems.  Fortunately for me, I'm way too old for this kind of thing so nobody's going to be picking me up as a potential terrorist; my fight right now is against the rabbits eating my garden.  All I can do is say what I see.  I hope that's enough.

    You’re more or less proposing the plot of the novel “Victoria” by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.

    Wouldn’t know about that plot/novel, so can’t comment.

    I can’t see it working.

    O.K.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1. Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2. Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they’re down.

    O.K.

    My gut feeling when reading your comment?
    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a “nice guy”.

    Make of that what you will.

    BTW, I think you are on the right track with 2. Add to it the principle “one step at the time” and you are good.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a “nice guy”.
     
    Nope.  There won't be anything nice about it.  But neither is there anything nice about the war being waged on us on economic, demographic and all the other fronts.

    If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system.  The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself.

    , @Mr. Rational

    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a “nice guy”.
     
    If you read New Nation News for even a few days (or the articles linked from SBPDL), you'll see that White American has been gaslighted for decades.  The NYT keeps up a drumbeat of Emmett Till but has never mentioned Channon Christian, Brittney Watts or Autumn Pasquale, to list just a few.  Jussie Smollett was in the news until his hoax was exposed, then memory-holed.

    Our enemies are not "nice guys" and never have been.  If Whites had their eyes opened to this, their niceness would vanish almost overnight.  Only the flood of lies keeps them asleep, like a mist of chloroform.
  46. @peterAUS

    You’re more or less proposing the plot of the novel “Victoria” by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.
     
    Wouldn't know about that plot/novel, so can't comment.

    I can’t see it working.
     
    O.K.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1. Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2. Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they’re down.
     
    O.K.

    My gut feeling when reading your comment?
    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a "nice guy".

    Make of that what you will.

    BTW, I think you are on the right track with 2. Add to it the principle "one step at the time" and you are good.

    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a “nice guy”.

    Nope.  There won’t be anything nice about it.  But neither is there anything nice about the war being waged on us on economic, demographic and all the other fronts.

    If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system.  The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Nope.
     
    Sounds promising.

    If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system. The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself.
     
    Haven't thought about that scenario.
    Have about some other possibilities.

    How about this?
    Let's imagine, for the sake of conversation, that I've had the process to get what I want figured out.
    Let's imagine that I've put it on paper; say, 500 pages, with diagrams, maps, charts, whatever.

    I'd discuss the details of that process only with people I trust with my life and know they are for the same cause.
    All the rest will get a smaller portion of it.

    In public place, closely monitored (as this one) I'd put 10 pages tops. Heavily redacted. Say, soda water compared to Jack Daniels.

    Makes sense?
  47. @peterAUS

    You’re more or less proposing the plot of the novel “Victoria” by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.
     
    Wouldn't know about that plot/novel, so can't comment.

    I can’t see it working.
     
    O.K.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1. Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2. Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they’re down.
     
    O.K.

    My gut feeling when reading your comment?
    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a "nice guy".

    Make of that what you will.

    BTW, I think you are on the right track with 2. Add to it the principle "one step at the time" and you are good.

    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a “nice guy”.

    If you read New Nation News for even a few days (or the articles linked from SBPDL), you’ll see that White American has been gaslighted for decades.  The NYT keeps up a drumbeat of Emmett Till but has never mentioned Channon Christian, Brittney Watts or Autumn Pasquale, to list just a few.  Jussie Smollett was in the news until his hoax was exposed, then memory-holed.

    Our enemies are not “nice guys” and never have been.  If Whites had their eyes opened to this, their niceness would vanish almost overnight.  Only the flood of lies keeps them asleep, like a mist of chloroform.

  48. @Mr. Rational

    You believe that you can win this very game and still be a “nice guy”.
     
    Nope.  There won't be anything nice about it.  But neither is there anything nice about the war being waged on us on economic, demographic and all the other fronts.

    If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system.  The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself.

    Nope.

    Sounds promising.

    If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system. The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself.

    Haven’t thought about that scenario.
    Have about some other possibilities.

    How about this?
    Let’s imagine, for the sake of conversation, that I’ve had the process to get what I want figured out.
    Let’s imagine that I’ve put it on paper; say, 500 pages, with diagrams, maps, charts, whatever.

    I’d discuss the details of that process only with people I trust with my life and know they are for the same cause.
    All the rest will get a smaller portion of it.

    In public place, closely monitored (as this one) I’d put 10 pages tops. Heavily redacted. Say, soda water compared to Jack Daniels.

    Makes sense?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Whatever, man.  I am too broken-down to be an active participant in anything anymore; it took me weeks to fix my own busted lawnmower.  I would not want to be privy to more than those 10 pages because that knowledge would make me a target.  But throwing concepts out there is something that can excite imaginations while not giving any legitimate cause for action.  The people capable of action and excited by those concepts... those are the ones I hope find their way to the author of the 500-page action plan.
  49. @peterAUS

    Nope.
     
    Sounds promising.

    If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system. The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself.
     
    Haven't thought about that scenario.
    Have about some other possibilities.

    How about this?
    Let's imagine, for the sake of conversation, that I've had the process to get what I want figured out.
    Let's imagine that I've put it on paper; say, 500 pages, with diagrams, maps, charts, whatever.

    I'd discuss the details of that process only with people I trust with my life and know they are for the same cause.
    All the rest will get a smaller portion of it.

    In public place, closely monitored (as this one) I'd put 10 pages tops. Heavily redacted. Say, soda water compared to Jack Daniels.

    Makes sense?

    Whatever, man.  I am too broken-down to be an active participant in anything anymore; it took me weeks to fix my own busted lawnmower.  I would not want to be privy to more than those 10 pages because that knowledge would make me a target.  But throwing concepts out there is something that can excite imaginations while not giving any legitimate cause for action.  The people capable of action and excited by those concepts… those are the ones I hope find their way to the author of the 500-page action plan.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Whatever, man.
     
    Same sentiment exactly.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    So you're at a point in life where you have nothing to lose, but the young guys who potentially could engage in some kind of insurgency have everything to lose--and they absolutely will lose everything if they act, which is why I vociferously object to these kinds of comments.

    Whites won't even fight in meaningful numbers in South Africa against a government that explicitly makes death threats against them. Comfortable, safe, corpulent Western whites with governments that aren't anything like as explicit sure as hell aren't going to fight. Any fools who do will be doing so alone, and will hang alone as a consequence. I don't want that on my conscience, so please stop talking about it here.
  50. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Asian fertility in the USA is only 1.49. Whites are at 1.66. Asian fertility is brought up by Muslims.

    In Canada, Asian areas also have extinction level fertility.

    The child free movement is bringing in many, many women , not just whites, though I am very concerned about white involvement.

    But it's kind of like this: Everybody THINKS that white women don't want kids, thus childfree is the new hip lifestyle. So Wing and Ching and Dong think it's in (it's what they're being told by the media), and they want to be like white women, so they copy it. Of course, many white women are still having babies, conservatives not represented in the media.

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.

    If you are correct about the plunge in birth rates among Hispanics, Whites, and Asians, that’s great. In an insanely overpopulated world, we should not be encouraging any increase. You go ahead and spawn nine babies if you must, but I’m going to tell anyone who asks that you are an irresponsible asshole.

    That leaves Africans, who will never get the message, so we must let nature take its course through the violence and disease caused by their own dysfunction.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Bingo.

    Conservatards went all in on "family values" and such in the 80's, saying that Man has dominion over the Earth and needs to make babies for Jesus. This was all a deliberate attempt to over-turn the 1970's era culture of people facing the reality that human population across the Earth had exploded in the 1950's and 60's, and as such, we were going to face a grim future of declining resources. Nowadays the Alt-Right is mostly in agreement that the Left sold out in the 90's, while the post-1980 mainstream Right is largely useless on the subject of population over-shoot. The Left doesn't want people to know that only Africans are refusing to act responsibly, while The Right stills adheres to the "die hippies" mentality that makes them incapable of grasping the implications of pop. over-shoot (plus the most cucked people on the Right don't think anything of massive demographic changes).
  51. @dfordoom

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.
     
    That's certainly a factor. But selfishness and consumerism are probably bigger factors. Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?

    Most people compromise and have one child plus the consumer goodies. And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.

    Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?

    To answer your rhetorical question: I don’t want another child or a kitchen rethink; I’d rather take a vacation in the Greek islands, except that overpopulation has made them overrun with tourists; I don’t want a new car but I don’t want a new child to signal my virtue; I’d choose without a second thought to live in a nicer (and less congested) neighborhood.

    And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.

    No, genius, one child per couple is not “extinction level.” It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Since you are such a fan of quantity over quality of life, may I recommend Hong Kong for its population density? It goes with your wish on a star for more reproduction. You could have a two-room apartment on the 41st floor of a tower block with a great view of other high-rise residential filing cabinets for your fellow uber-breeders.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I don’t want a new car but I don’t want a new child to signal my virtue
     
    It's actually the childfree lot who are doing all the virtue-signalling. Self-extinction to save the planet.
    , @Feryl
    No, genius, one child per couple is not “extinction level.” It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Something which the Anglo world understood and used to it's advantage, for a long time. But said Anglos also created the foundation of globalist ne0-liberalism, which has ravaged the English speaking countries since the 80's.
  52. @Audacious Epigone
    Discussion of the turner diaries as a roadmap for anything other than an order of magnitude more suppression, deplatforming, etc of dissident views is fantasy. Please take it elsewhere.

    You open the door for these commenters with your pipe dream peaceful political dissolution. Nobody believes that is feasible. If it is desirable, then why mention it if the only way to get it is through violence? If I was a true blue anti-Semite, I could see diversion written all over it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    We are closer to seeing a peaceful dissolution of the European Union than many people realize.

    Peaceful dissolution is more plausible than this reckless talk of terrorist insurgency is.
    , @dfordoom

    your pipe dream peaceful political dissolution. Nobody believes that is feasible. If it is desirable, then why mention it if the only way to get it is through violence?
     
    That's an interesting point. Those promoting the idea of secession back in 1860 might well have argued that they were merely proposing a peaceful dissolution. 620,000 men died as a result.

    The problem is that any push for really significant political change involves the risk of ending in violence. Very occasionally it ends up being genuinely peaceful. The Glorious Revolution of 1688 was relatively bloodless. The French Revolution of 1848 caused very few casualties. Louis-Napoleon's coup d'état in 1851 was bloodless. Mussolini gained power in what was essentially a bloodless coup. The "Velvet Divorce" which dissolved Czechoslovakia in 1993 was bloodless.

    But sometimes peaceful change isn't so peaceful. The granting of independence to India was supposed to be peaceful. No-one knows how many died as a result. Estimates range from 200,000 to 2 million.

    So it can be done, but the odds are probably against it.
  53. @dfordoom

    Whites have low fertility everywhere.
     
    East Asians (and I mean east Asians who actually live in east Asian countries) have catastrophically lower fertility than any whites. Taiwanese, Singaporeans and South Koreans are not facing demographic collapse - their fertility is at extinction level.

    So whatever has driven fertility rates down has nothing whatever to do with race. It also has nothing whatever to do with specifically American problems.

    Why has fertility collapsed just about everywhere? The decline of religion, urbanisation, capitalism, consumerism, trash popular culture, the rise of feminism, way too much education - these are the most likely culprits.

    China’s overall births are higher than Europe’s:

    China also has no history to use against it (colonial guilt, Crusades, Nazis) whenever they refuse mass migration and other versions of cucking to death.

  54. @dfordoom

    Whites have low fertility everywhere.
     
    East Asians (and I mean east Asians who actually live in east Asian countries) have catastrophically lower fertility than any whites. Taiwanese, Singaporeans and South Koreans are not facing demographic collapse - their fertility is at extinction level.

    So whatever has driven fertility rates down has nothing whatever to do with race. It also has nothing whatever to do with specifically American problems.

    Why has fertility collapsed just about everywhere? The decline of religion, urbanisation, capitalism, consumerism, trash popular culture, the rise of feminism, way too much education - these are the most likely culprits.

    China’s overall births are higher than Europe’s:

    China also has no history to use against it (colonial guilt, Crusades, Nazis) whenever they refuse mass migration and other versions of cucking to death.

  55. @Mr. Rational
    Whatever, man.  I am too broken-down to be an active participant in anything anymore; it took me weeks to fix my own busted lawnmower.  I would not want to be privy to more than those 10 pages because that knowledge would make me a target.  But throwing concepts out there is something that can excite imaginations while not giving any legitimate cause for action.  The people capable of action and excited by those concepts... those are the ones I hope find their way to the author of the 500-page action plan.

    Whatever, man.

    Same sentiment exactly.

  56. anon[105] • Disclaimer says:

    “If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system. The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself.”

    You know how you can get all of that realistically? Push for secession. That’d do it nicely. Honestly, after the failure to enforce the border and immigration controls (and Trump’s ICE raids that never materialized), I think if a red state declared independence, the federal government would be too chicken to do anything about it. Frankly, the prospect of having a separate country all for my people that excludes the radical left – banned off the internet, NGOs banned, biased media banned, democrat party banned, anti-white language and commentary banned – is an extremely appealing prospect at this point, certainly after all the hatred directed at us in recent years (congressional democrat condemnations, endless slurs like “white privilege” and endless movie race and gender swaps, reparations, affirmative action, lies about gender wage gaps … etc etc etc). Why can’t we have a country all for us just like Japan is a country for the Japanese and Israel is a country for the Jews? Travel to both countries. There is a fraternity there not present here. It’s intoxicating, that feeling of being comrades, of all being on the same team despite minor political differences. Don’t you want that, too?

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Push for secession.
     
    Start contemplating that idea, I'd say, would be a good start.

    I think if a red state declared independence, the federal government would be too chicken to do anything about it.
     
    Oh, NO, it wouldn't. Hell no. It would do its best to squash it as a bug.

    The only thing preventing that (being a squashed bug, that is) is, again, start thinking about it now.
    Or sooner than later. Especially later. Could be too late.

    , @dfordoom

    Frankly, the prospect of having a separate country all for my people that excludes the radical left
     
    How would secession achieve that? Even in the reddest of red states you're going to have lots of SJWs in the cities. And the universities. So you'd have to demolish the cities and send the city-dwellers into the countryside. You'd have to shut down all universities. But then you'd still have lots of SJW schoolteachers. So you'd have to shut down all the schools.

    You'd still get SJW propaganda from outside, through media and social media. In fact your new seceded state would be subjected, deliberately, to an incredible barrage of SJW/globalist propaganda from the rest of the country. So you'd have to ban TV sets and ban the internet in your new country. Your government would have to take over all the media outlets and newspapers in your state.

    You'd have to seal the borders tight to prevent globohomo activists from entering your state. You'd need a wall.

    You'd have to go full Pol Pot. Year Zero.

    The only way such a state could survive would be as a tightly controlled one-party socialist state. A kind of anti-SJW North Korea.
  57. @dfordoom

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.
     
    That's certainly a factor. But selfishness and consumerism are probably bigger factors. Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?

    Most people compromise and have one child plus the consumer goodies. And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.

    Excuse me, but millennials aren’t consumerists.

    https://www.psychbytes.com/millennials-and-minimalism/

    Any “new mom hardship” post or comic will show you it’s largely not about stuff.

    Want the perspective of a religious housewife rather than a “selfish feminist”? Spoken with all honesty, it’s… about the same.

    I love my children.  There is no other way I’d rather spend my days on earth.  I truly desire to love my husband and children. And yet, most of these years, I have struggled in my role as a mother.

    Depressed.

    Feeling like a total failure.

    Exhausted.

    Stressed.

    Once a woman with such a tender outlook on marriage and motherhood, of being a willing helpmate for a man and raising up precious babes, slowly over time, warping into an unrecognizable person, inside and out.

    Crying.  Weeping.  Yelling.  Sitting on the couch completely numb.  Looking out the window at the woman freely walking her dog outside, my heart longing after the freedom, of being able to walk, of being able to leave the house without having to find shoes, pack a diaper bag, put on coats, buckle little people into car seats…

    Years of surviving day to day, many times wondering where the strength for the next day will come from.

    Drowning in housework.   Trying to figure out each and every day what to serve for three meals a day.  That’s not even the hard part–somehow I’ve got to load all these kids up and get to the store!  Trying to keep up with children.  Trying to teach them.  Trying to push through the exhaustion of sleepless nights.  Trying to psych myself up to go to church, because honestly, most of the time, I dread going because of how hard it is to get there and be there (but so worth it and so important to go!).   Trying not to bite my unsuspecting husband’s head off  when he comes home, when all I want to do is say “they’re all yours!” and run out the door.

    Wondering why so often I feel like such a terrible wife and mother.

    Years of going through days upon days of feeling completely alone and yet longing for some precious time just. to be. ALONE.

    What happened to the Proverbs 31 woman, who “laughs at the days to come”?

    There are days when smiling even seems like too much.  Laughing?  What is laughing?  I find myself asking the questions, either crying out to God or to myself in the presence of my poor children who have probably felt they are more of a curse to their mother rather than a blessing:

    Why is this so hard?!  Why can’t I seem to get anything done?!  What am I doing wrong?!  Why can’t I find more joy in this?!  Why aren’t I laughing at these days?!  Why, instead, am I  looking forward to the END of the day?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140123111203/http://hiddenwithyou.com/2013/11/14/desperate-housewives-no-laughing-matter-why-young-mothers-dont-need-god-they-need-help-2/

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    It ends well though...

    You know what?  There are a few hours a week where something peculiar happens.  No, actually, peculiar isn’t the right word.  MIRACULOUS!  No, that isn’t the right word either.  I don’t know…how about WONDERFUL.  Something wonderful happens.  You know what it is?

    There are a few times during the week where I feel like …A NORMAL PERSON!

    Where I don’t feel overwhelmed.   When I am actually motivated.   When I can actually think straight.  When I feel happy.  You know what makes all the difference in the world?

    HAVING HELP!

    It’s a long story, but there is a young neighbor woman who has been coming over a few hours a week. (...) Oh my.  It’s like living in a completely different world.  During those few blissful hours?  I can nurse the baby, delegate a task, and the housework continues.  All work does not cease to be done when I am caring for a child or helping them with something, because it is not completely dependent upon me to do it while she is here.  I have help.   I can use the bathroom without people following me.  I can make a phone call in peace if I need to while she entertains the kids.

    We talk.  We commiserate.  Her youthful vigor inspires and motivates me.  My slightly more years of life experience answer her many questions.  We encourage each other!  It is absolutely a breath of fresh air in what can be very stagnant air of domestic life.

    And then, there is another older woman.  A dear woman, who without her kindness, I would’ve given up hope a long time ago, and I seriously might have walked away from the boring, stagnant life of lukewarm Christianity.  She restored my hope in humanity actually.  I had just about lost hope that caring people existed in this world.  That is, people who cared enough to actually DO something for another person.

    Do you know what this woman did?

    She volunteered to use her day off from work to come over so I could go to the store alone!  Or to run any other errands I needed to do.   Whatever I needed to do for a few hours, while she watched my kids.

    I still cannot express the PURE JOY of knowing someone cared.  The relief that comes from having physical help.  Someone to lend a hand during these years when our hands are so full.

    So, these seemingly insignificant needs we have, that we often laugh and joke about, they are very real.  Yes, adult conversation, using the bathroom in peace and having an extra set of hands makes all the difference in the life of a young mother.
     
    , @nebulafox
    I think Peter Akuleyev nailed this one: one thing that used to alleviate the stress of child rearing was that the mothers could force their kids to go out and play outside all day long on weekends or during the summers. They could use the time to socialize and relax with other mothers, have some quality time with hubby, or get other things done. I'm pretty sure that this saved my grandmothers' (both had 5 kids) sanity.

    Nowadays, between security concerns and the arms race atmosphere for future college positions (with all the resultant financial burdens) that has become parenting in middle America, mothers have become full-time chauffeurs, shuffling their kid from one activity to the next. That kind of isolation gives mothers an additional level of mental stress that they really don't need. The kids are more miserable, too.

    Our rulers really are doing their best to make family formation as unpleasant as possible for people who are aiming at upward mobility but can't afford a squad of domestic workers. You've got to make people want to have kids-and make it fiscally feasible, too, at any rate. Hokey exhortations of doing your duty won't cut it.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    Something like 20% of girls aged 11-14 have mental health issues, double what it was a generation ago. This isn't unique to mothers. To the contrary, married mothers with kids report better mental health and happiness than single, childless women do.
  58. @Toronto Russian
    Excuse me, but millennials aren't consumerists.

    https://www.psychbytes.com/millennials-and-minimalism/

    Any "new mom hardship" post or comic will show you it's largely not about stuff.

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-05/sub-buzz-22730-1540837820-5.jpg

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-03/sub-buzz-2644-1540838017-1.jpg

    Want the perspective of a religious housewife rather than a "selfish feminist"? Spoken with all honesty, it's... about the same.

    I love my children.  There is no other way I’d rather spend my days on earth.  I truly desire to love my husband and children. And yet, most of these years, I have struggled in my role as a mother.

    Depressed.

    Feeling like a total failure.

    Exhausted.

    Stressed.

    Once a woman with such a tender outlook on marriage and motherhood, of being a willing helpmate for a man and raising up precious babes, slowly over time, warping into an unrecognizable person, inside and out.

    Crying.  Weeping.  Yelling.  Sitting on the couch completely numb.  Looking out the window at the woman freely walking her dog outside, my heart longing after the freedom, of being able to walk, of being able to leave the house without having to find shoes, pack a diaper bag, put on coats, buckle little people into car seats…

    Years of surviving day to day, many times wondering where the strength for the next day will come from.

    Drowning in housework.   Trying to figure out each and every day what to serve for three meals a day.  That’s not even the hard part–somehow I’ve got to load all these kids up and get to the store!  Trying to keep up with children.  Trying to teach them.  Trying to push through the exhaustion of sleepless nights.  Trying to psych myself up to go to church, because honestly, most of the time, I dread going because of how hard it is to get there and be there (but so worth it and so important to go!).   Trying not to bite my unsuspecting husband’s head off  when he comes home, when all I want to do is say “they’re all yours!” and run out the door.

    Wondering why so often I feel like such a terrible wife and mother.

    Years of going through days upon days of feeling completely alone and yet longing for some precious time just. to be. ALONE.

    What happened to the Proverbs 31 woman, who “laughs at the days to come”?

    There are days when smiling even seems like too much.  Laughing?  What is laughing?  I find myself asking the questions, either crying out to God or to myself in the presence of my poor children who have probably felt they are more of a curse to their mother rather than a blessing:

    Why is this so hard?!  Why can’t I seem to get anything done?!  What am I doing wrong?!  Why can’t I find more joy in this?!  Why aren’t I laughing at these days?!  Why, instead, am I  looking forward to the END of the day?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140123111203/http://hiddenwithyou.com/2013/11/14/desperate-housewives-no-laughing-matter-why-young-mothers-dont-need-god-they-need-help-2/
     

    It ends well though…

    You know what?  There are a few hours a week where something peculiar happens.  No, actually, peculiar isn’t the right word.  MIRACULOUS!  No, that isn’t the right word either.  I don’t know…how about WONDERFUL.  Something wonderful happens.  You know what it is?

    There are a few times during the week where I feel like …A NORMAL PERSON!

    Where I don’t feel overwhelmed.   When I am actually motivated.   When I can actually think straight.  When I feel happy.  You know what makes all the difference in the world?

    HAVING HELP!

    It’s a long story, but there is a young neighbor woman who has been coming over a few hours a week. (…) Oh my.  It’s like living in a completely different world.  During those few blissful hours?  I can nurse the baby, delegate a task, and the housework continues.  All work does not cease to be done when I am caring for a child or helping them with something, because it is not completely dependent upon me to do it while she is here.  I have help.   I can use the bathroom without people following me.  I can make a phone call in peace if I need to while she entertains the kids.

    We talk.  We commiserate.  Her youthful vigor inspires and motivates me.  My slightly more years of life experience answer her many questions.  We encourage each other!  It is absolutely a breath of fresh air in what can be very stagnant air of domestic life.

    And then, there is another older woman.  A dear woman, who without her kindness, I would’ve given up hope a long time ago, and I seriously might have walked away from the boring, stagnant life of lukewarm Christianity.  She restored my hope in humanity actually.  I had just about lost hope that caring people existed in this world.  That is, people who cared enough to actually DO something for another person.

    Do you know what this woman did?

    She volunteered to use her day off from work to come over so I could go to the store alone!  Or to run any other errands I needed to do.   Whatever I needed to do for a few hours, while she watched my kids.

    I still cannot express the PURE JOY of knowing someone cared.  The relief that comes from having physical help.  Someone to lend a hand during these years when our hands are so full.

    So, these seemingly insignificant needs we have, that we often laugh and joke about, they are very real.  Yes, adult conversation, using the bathroom in peace and having an extra set of hands makes all the difference in the life of a young mother.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Back when we used to have real communities, mothers of young children would spend time together during the day. The progress takes away what forever took to find.
  59. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    It's inevitable that as America gets browner, its citizens become more incompetent, especially in the public services area.

    There are gonna be a ton of natural blackouts, fires, collapses, etc. because ththe human capital is just that low when it comes to 3rd world aliens. So, yes, severing the connections will severely add strain to the already overburdened systems. That is how you do it.

    Kind of like here, we keep saying that these aliens will not be able to live in Canada without the white man keeping the heat on. How would Toronto look if the electricity suddenly went out in -20 weather?

    However, I'm sure the gov js also aware of this and is preparing, but as they get browner they get massively more incompetent.

    I think we are looking at a fall of the Roman Empire scenario.

    All slave rebellions will be ruthlessly crushed.

    Time is the enemy of the empire–it will degrade until the armies don’t get paid in useful currency anymore–and then the reward of not paying taxes (for the rural folks) will become greater than the risk.

    History is fractal.

  60. Turning the the Brown decision into a question of segregation is an old hat trick that has apparently stuck. It was not the segregation that served to cause. It was the lack of “equity”. If you claim separate but equal as policy — then to be in accordance with the Constitution — it must in fact be equal.

    And internally the matter based on whites as superior and all that flowed from it simply ate itself upon test.

    Busing might very well have not been the best solution, but challenging it requires providing other choices to resolve the violation.

  61. @Oblivionrecurs
    Of course Hispanics would be most supportive. Make no mistake we'll see an armed uprising in Aztlan in our lifetimes. Joint racial salience is skyrocketing for Hispanics

    I highly doubt it. Why would any minority group want to break away from the system that privileges them?

  62. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    30% voted for Donald Trump. That is already the whitest "White Hispanics" voting R - Cubans, some upper class Venezuelans, and most Hispanics that have lived in the USA for centuries - Tejanos, some in Colorado, etc. Even then, for the first 2 groups, I doubt they really care about White America, they're just anti-socialism, which lines up with "our" side, for now.

    Whites have low fertility in South America anyways. The white South Americans are saved by the Spanish aversion to the Anglo Zionist empire - meaning they do not accept the SJW victim culture coming from the USA. This keeps the non-whites in their place even as their numbers increase relative to the whites. Thus we see minimal racial upheaval.

    However South America will eventually snap too - a Hispanic America will have much more cultural influence on S.A. and will bring the racial strife there eventually.

    Everybody thinks they can outrun the black/brown wave. Middle class whites, South American elites, white elites, Jews, European elites. I hate to say it but we're all going down based on this current trajectory. But it's typical of selfish whites to be kicking down: "Outsourcing WILL NEVER happen to me. Learn to code Cletus." Now their jobs are being taken by H1-B's. We need to smarten up quickly.

    Those 30% of Hispanics do not vote Republican because they are “anti-socialism.”

    They vote Republican because they do not personally see any benefit in open borders policies.

  63. @Toronto Russian
    Excuse me, but millennials aren't consumerists.

    https://www.psychbytes.com/millennials-and-minimalism/

    Any "new mom hardship" post or comic will show you it's largely not about stuff.

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-05/sub-buzz-22730-1540837820-5.jpg

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-03/sub-buzz-2644-1540838017-1.jpg

    Want the perspective of a religious housewife rather than a "selfish feminist"? Spoken with all honesty, it's... about the same.

    I love my children.  There is no other way I’d rather spend my days on earth.  I truly desire to love my husband and children. And yet, most of these years, I have struggled in my role as a mother.

    Depressed.

    Feeling like a total failure.

    Exhausted.

    Stressed.

    Once a woman with such a tender outlook on marriage and motherhood, of being a willing helpmate for a man and raising up precious babes, slowly over time, warping into an unrecognizable person, inside and out.

    Crying.  Weeping.  Yelling.  Sitting on the couch completely numb.  Looking out the window at the woman freely walking her dog outside, my heart longing after the freedom, of being able to walk, of being able to leave the house without having to find shoes, pack a diaper bag, put on coats, buckle little people into car seats…

    Years of surviving day to day, many times wondering where the strength for the next day will come from.

    Drowning in housework.   Trying to figure out each and every day what to serve for three meals a day.  That’s not even the hard part–somehow I’ve got to load all these kids up and get to the store!  Trying to keep up with children.  Trying to teach them.  Trying to push through the exhaustion of sleepless nights.  Trying to psych myself up to go to church, because honestly, most of the time, I dread going because of how hard it is to get there and be there (but so worth it and so important to go!).   Trying not to bite my unsuspecting husband’s head off  when he comes home, when all I want to do is say “they’re all yours!” and run out the door.

    Wondering why so often I feel like such a terrible wife and mother.

    Years of going through days upon days of feeling completely alone and yet longing for some precious time just. to be. ALONE.

    What happened to the Proverbs 31 woman, who “laughs at the days to come”?

    There are days when smiling even seems like too much.  Laughing?  What is laughing?  I find myself asking the questions, either crying out to God or to myself in the presence of my poor children who have probably felt they are more of a curse to their mother rather than a blessing:

    Why is this so hard?!  Why can’t I seem to get anything done?!  What am I doing wrong?!  Why can’t I find more joy in this?!  Why aren’t I laughing at these days?!  Why, instead, am I  looking forward to the END of the day?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140123111203/http://hiddenwithyou.com/2013/11/14/desperate-housewives-no-laughing-matter-why-young-mothers-dont-need-god-they-need-help-2/
     

    I think Peter Akuleyev nailed this one: one thing that used to alleviate the stress of child rearing was that the mothers could force their kids to go out and play outside all day long on weekends or during the summers. They could use the time to socialize and relax with other mothers, have some quality time with hubby, or get other things done. I’m pretty sure that this saved my grandmothers’ (both had 5 kids) sanity.

    Nowadays, between security concerns and the arms race atmosphere for future college positions (with all the resultant financial burdens) that has become parenting in middle America, mothers have become full-time chauffeurs, shuffling their kid from one activity to the next. That kind of isolation gives mothers an additional level of mental stress that they really don’t need. The kids are more miserable, too.

    Our rulers really are doing their best to make family formation as unpleasant as possible for people who are aiming at upward mobility but can’t afford a squad of domestic workers. You’ve got to make people want to have kids-and make it fiscally feasible, too, at any rate. Hokey exhortations of doing your duty won’t cut it.

  64. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    30% voted for Donald Trump. That is already the whitest "White Hispanics" voting R - Cubans, some upper class Venezuelans, and most Hispanics that have lived in the USA for centuries - Tejanos, some in Colorado, etc. Even then, for the first 2 groups, I doubt they really care about White America, they're just anti-socialism, which lines up with "our" side, for now.

    Whites have low fertility in South America anyways. The white South Americans are saved by the Spanish aversion to the Anglo Zionist empire - meaning they do not accept the SJW victim culture coming from the USA. This keeps the non-whites in their place even as their numbers increase relative to the whites. Thus we see minimal racial upheaval.

    However South America will eventually snap too - a Hispanic America will have much more cultural influence on S.A. and will bring the racial strife there eventually.

    Everybody thinks they can outrun the black/brown wave. Middle class whites, South American elites, white elites, Jews, European elites. I hate to say it but we're all going down based on this current trajectory. But it's typical of selfish whites to be kicking down: "Outsourcing WILL NEVER happen to me. Learn to code Cletus." Now their jobs are being taken by H1-B's. We need to smarten up quickly.

    >”Learn to code Cletus”

    Of course, if you say the same thing to a recently fired journalist, the kind who said this all the time to displaced lessers on the socioeconomic scale, you’ll get banned from Twitter due to insensitivity.

  65. @216
    South Africa is still ticking along, weakened, but facing no real imminent threat of secession or invasion.

    And this is after the bursting of the commodity bubble and subsequent decline of mining output and employment.

    So I think things can go along for quite some time, barring another Depression, energy crisis or major war.

    South Africa is “ticking along” with Whites being afraid to go outside without an armed escort and now the ANC trying to pass a bill to remove guns from the security forces that protect them. This is just in the major cities, the isolated farm settlements are just on their own as far as security goes…

    Not to mention the periodic riots that occur as Blacks take to the streets in these so-called “protests” that include setting fire to schools and other public buildings as they rampage along unchecked.

    How is that ticking along????

    Those people need to be evacuated asap to places like Australia or New Zealand as they are facing a slow-moving genocide.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    How is that ticking along????
     
    Depends.
    For some, it's just beautiful. Those in the "globo-homo" team of the game.
    White guilt and deserved punishment in full swing.

    But, no need to push that angle around I guess. Won't get the traction I am afraid.
    The disconnect between what's happening there and what could happen in "Colonies", even Europe itself, is absolute.

    Had a chat with a woken guy last week.
    The idea that "we" should take a very good look at SA simply bounced off.

    Ignorance is bliss, until the last couple of hours.

    , @216
    Is ZA a failed state?

    By First World standards, yes.

    By Third World standards, no.

    Until it fails, there will be enough leftists claiming that the legacy of apartheid is the source of all problems.

    The per capita income in ZA is still higher than India's, and they won't pass them until 2025 at the earliest, probably later.

    Both China and India also have interests in ZA, and I suspect that one or both might deploy troops if it looked like a Yugoslav-style situation was developing.
  66. @NYMOM
    South Africa is "ticking along" with Whites being afraid to go outside without an armed escort and now the ANC trying to pass a bill to remove guns from the security forces that protect them. This is just in the major cities, the isolated farm settlements are just on their own as far as security goes...

    Not to mention the periodic riots that occur as Blacks take to the streets in these so-called "protests" that include setting fire to schools and other public buildings as they rampage along unchecked.

    How is that ticking along????

    Those people need to be evacuated asap to places like Australia or New Zealand as they are facing a slow-moving genocide.

    How is that ticking along????

    Depends.
    For some, it’s just beautiful. Those in the “globo-homo” team of the game.
    White guilt and deserved punishment in full swing.

    But, no need to push that angle around I guess. Won’t get the traction I am afraid.
    The disconnect between what’s happening there and what could happen in “Colonies”, even Europe itself, is absolute.

    Had a chat with a woken guy last week.
    The idea that “we” should take a very good look at SA simply bounced off.

    Ignorance is bliss, until the last couple of hours.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    Had a chat with a woken guy last week.
    The idea that “we” should take a very good look at SA simply bounced off.
     
    That is a function of educational and mass media programming.

    Weak minds will follow the "prevailing wisdom" of authority figures.

    The guy would be a white nationalist if that was socially acceptable in his peer group.
  67. @dfordoom

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement–that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.
     
    There's no such thing as "whites" - there are all kinds of people who happen to be white but the fact that they're white is not particularly important to them. Ideological affiliation is much more important to most of them. Being a liberal or a libertarian or whatever gives them a much more real sense of a shared identity. Class is also much more important than race although very few people want to admit that publicly. If you're a middle-class white it's almost certain that you despise working-class whites.

    Religion is a factor. If you're an Evangelical Christian that is certainly a much more significant identity for you than being white. Being a rural or an urban dweller is also more important to most white people than race.

    Gold box for your comment.

  68. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Asian fertility in the USA is only 1.49. Whites are at 1.66. Asian fertility is brought up by Muslims.

    In Canada, Asian areas also have extinction level fertility.

    The child free movement is bringing in many, many women , not just whites, though I am very concerned about white involvement.

    But it's kind of like this: Everybody THINKS that white women don't want kids, thus childfree is the new hip lifestyle. So Wing and Ching and Dong think it's in (it's what they're being told by the media), and they want to be like white women, so they copy it. Of course, many white women are still having babies, conservatives not represented in the media.

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.

    If you are correct about the plunge in birth rates among Hispanics, Whites, and Asians, that’s great. In an insanely overpopulated world, we should not be encouraging any increase. You go ahead and spawn nine babies if you must, but I’m going to tell anyone who asks that you are an irresponsible asshole.

    That leaves Africans, who will never get the message, so we must let nature take its course through the violence and disease caused by their own dysfunction.

  69. @dfordoom

    It all stems from a lack of religion, imo.
     
    That's certainly a factor. But selfishness and consumerism are probably bigger factors. Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?

    Most people compromise and have one child plus the consumer goodies. And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.

    Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?

    To answer your rhetorical question: I don’t want another child or a kitchen rethink; I’d rather take a vacation in the Greek islands, except that overpopulation has made them overrun with tourists; I don’t want a new car but I don’t want a new child to signal my virtue; I’d choose without a second thought to live in a nicer (and less congested) neighborhood.

    And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.

    No, genius, one child per couple is not “extinction level.” It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Since you are such a fan of quantity over quality of life, may I recommend Hong Kong for its population density? It goes with your wish on a star for more reproduction. You could have a two-room apartment on the 41st floor of a tower block with a great view of other high-rise residential filing cabinets for your fellow uber-breeders.

  70. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement
     
    I see it kind of inversely: Whites have decreasing religious involvement. Therefore, they are losing the will to survive. Increased suicide, dysfunction, and childlessness are symptoms. But the cause is a lack of religion. What motivated Newton? Tolstoy? Cortez? Washington? The fear of God. That was their cause to live.

    Why did my (white) ancestors tough the chilling Canadian winters, working harder and longer than slaves? Because they believed in God and that's what they had to do to survive. They worked through life so they could get to heaven. Without God, they would just have committed suicide, quite frankly.

    What's the fertility rate for White Evangelicals? Above replacement. Suicide rate for religious whites (any religion)? Low. Divorce rate? Also low.

    I see white people in church: some are ugly, broken, poor, weird, fat. They still have a reason to live. Many of them are married with children.

    Whites are displaying symptoms of a people who have fallen away from God and will pay the price.

    There’s no denying the strong correlation between religiosity and fertility, both between races and within them.

  71. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Fertility rate of Hispanics in the USA has plummeted to below replacement. Asians are well below whites. Whites are also declining.

    We can look at global Hispanic fertility: Spain is horrific, 1.2 chilren per woman. Puerto Rico is at 0.9. Costa Rica is at 1.6 and dropping, and South America is now below replacement and dropping fast. The whites in SA are already around 1.4. So clearly, wealthy Hispanics have a low fertility rate.

    UK has a fertility of around 1.7 for whites. Therefore, it's likely that Hispanic fertility will soon be lower than NHW in the USA, as they get wealthier and more pozzed.

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    The anti-birth movement concerns me alot. Especially as we know NW-Euro women are prone to hysteria and totalitarian ideals. If the White Woman decides to go anti-birth, the fertility will literally drop to zero. That said, most white women I know do want kids. It seems that Gen Z white women want kids more than their parents.

    I always encourage white women to have kids. Usually they say something like "Ugh. Like, yeah, I want kids but at the same time it's soo much work". So I tell them how I want to have kids some day and that I think raising a family make me happy, even if it's alot of work. Usually they agree with me after some consideration. Conversely, I tell non-white women that I never want kids, that they're so much work, and that I just want to focus on my career.

    Youngish, respectable, white people, either with a successful family (AE) or looking to start one (me) can really sway alot of people. Just talk about it! Many white women have literally never heard encouragement about starting a family. So it's your job! Show them that you do want kids, that it is a good path. You may end up causing many more white babies being born.

    AE, as a (presumably attractive) 36 year old man, 3 kids, a happy wife, you are a role model for young white men and young white women. So make sure you let people know how fulfilling the family life has been for you, and how you wouldn't want it any other way. Random Boomers telling girls to have kids is creepy. But youngish, respectable people honestly makes a huge difference in their lives.

    I’m a gargoyle and I’m older than that but I try to be a role model nonetheless!

  72. @James Bowery
    So AE, what is the causal structure of this mire in your opinion and how do test your hypothesis?

    The Slime Mold model of The Global Economy as "Unfriendly AI" is relatively straightforward. Turning people into Mechanical Turk cells of The Slime Mold, until they are no longer needed even as consumers seems to fit the bill of an Unfriend AI taking the form of The Global Economy.

    It also provides a fairly straight forward strategy and tactic to deal with the malaise. Slime molds aren't inherently malevolent and they do learn.

    Even more than religiosity is positively correlated with fertility, educational attainment is inversely correlated with it (in women).

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Even more than religiosity is positively correlated with fertility, educational attainment is inversely correlated with it (in women).
     
    Is there any correlation between educational attainment and numbers of children for men?
    , @James Bowery
    Yes that's a reasonable proximate cause, and it is obvious to even the most casual observer that there is a causal link here -- although it doesn't address the reason(s) that such an obvious fact and its dire consequences are not being remediated.

    You have to get to the point where you are thinking strategically, and that means taking into account not only causal structures but also the resources available to influence them.

    Without doing that, you are heading into BlackPill territory, as evidenced by your "defeated people" narrative.

  73. @Mr. Rational

    This is a scenario, for example:
    A bunch of US counties simply reject the authority of the REGIME in the Washington D.C.

    Of course, the REGIME would try to re-impose its authorty by ANY means necessary.

    Now…the crux of the matter: if….IF…those counties have some feasible force of arms at their disposal maybe it will all stop at posturing. No shooting. No……………..shooting.
    Makes sense?

     
    You're more or less proposing the plot of the novel "Victoria" by Thomas Hobbes, minus the collapse in the economy which eviscerates the central power.

    I can't see it working.  The divide in the USA isn't between states, it's white/NAM and rural/urban.  The rural areas provide everything that the urban areas require, and aside from suburban/industrial zones, urban areas produce nothing the rural areas need.  The central power CANNOT allow them to go their own way any more than it can allow meritocratic hiring in government anymore.

    Example:  if rural Pennsylvania decided to charge New York the world price of $15 per million BTU for gas from the Marcellus shale, New York would be devastated; it would be unable to pay for its electricity or even to stay warm in the winter.  Ditto if the corn belt decided to double prices or withhold shipments of grains and meat to gain relief from unwanted regulation or minority invaders.  There would be riots within a week.  All the inner cities would be in flames and the wealthy areas would be under siege.  The top elites have their escape routes and bolt-holes, but they can't save their enforcers and the NAMs hate them as much as they hate any other Whites.  Losing their enforcers means giving up power and not getting it back.

    The central power relies on sucking resources out of the White/rural areas for its existence, and the existence of the NAM voter plantations which give it "democratic" legitimacy.  The parasite cannot separate from its host without dying, and will not allow separation as long as it has the power to prevent it.

    White America has two possible roads to survival:

    1.  Wait for the collapse while preparing to survive it, hoping to have the strength to rebuild later; meanwhile, the system keeps tilting the field against Whites.
    2.  Bring about the collapse before the situation gets any less favorable to Whites, and get rid of the parasite hordes and hostile elites while they're down.

    We've seen so many bridge collapses, power-line outages and pipeline explosions lately that #2 seems almost ready-made for a team to carry out against the blue urban centers.  The ideal time would be either right before election day to throw a whole bunch of statewide races, or in a winter cold snap to go for a mass casualty event and break down the elite control systems.  Fortunately for me, I'm way too old for this kind of thing so nobody's going to be picking me up as a potential terrorist; my fight right now is against the rabbits eating my garden.  All I can do is say what I see.  I hope that's enough.

    3) Enforce the nation’s immigration laws, return native fertility to replacement, deportation of all non-citizens once their legal residencies expire.

    Sure, 3) is unlikely, but it’s within the realm of possibility. 2) is pure fantasy and 1) is a really, really long way off. South Africa hasn’t collapsed. The rest of the West is still a long way away from the South African situation.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    South Africa hasn’t collapsed. The rest of the West is still a long way away from the South African situation.
     
    Take a look at Rome. A hundred years of chaos from about 133BC to 27BC. Levels of decadence in the first century AD that almost approach what we have now, combined with periodic outbursts of butchery. Endless coups. And Rome survived for another 400 years.
    , @Mr. Rational

    3) Enforce the nation’s immigration laws, return native fertility to replacement, deportation of all non-citizens once their legal residencies expire.
     
    None of that is possible while the hostile elites still rule, and they cannot be shaken out of power without a collapse-level event.
  74. @iffen
    You open the door for these commenters with your pipe dream peaceful political dissolution. Nobody believes that is feasible. If it is desirable, then why mention it if the only way to get it is through violence? If I was a true blue anti-Semite, I could see diversion written all over it.

    We are closer to seeing a peaceful dissolution of the European Union than many people realize.

    Peaceful dissolution is more plausible than this reckless talk of terrorist insurgency is.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    We are closer to seeing a peaceful dissolution of the European Union than many people realize.
     
    I'd say that after the train wreck that Brexit has been it is very very unlikely that any other country will attempt to leave.
  75. @iffen
    You open the door for these commenters with your pipe dream peaceful political dissolution. Nobody believes that is feasible. If it is desirable, then why mention it if the only way to get it is through violence? If I was a true blue anti-Semite, I could see diversion written all over it.

    your pipe dream peaceful political dissolution. Nobody believes that is feasible. If it is desirable, then why mention it if the only way to get it is through violence?

    That’s an interesting point. Those promoting the idea of secession back in 1860 might well have argued that they were merely proposing a peaceful dissolution. 620,000 men died as a result.

    The problem is that any push for really significant political change involves the risk of ending in violence. Very occasionally it ends up being genuinely peaceful. The Glorious Revolution of 1688 was relatively bloodless. The French Revolution of 1848 caused very few casualties. Louis-Napoleon’s coup d’état in 1851 was bloodless. Mussolini gained power in what was essentially a bloodless coup. The “Velvet Divorce” which dissolved Czechoslovakia in 1993 was bloodless.

    But sometimes peaceful change isn’t so peaceful. The granting of independence to India was supposed to be peaceful. No-one knows how many died as a result. Estimates range from 200,000 to 2 million.

    So it can be done, but the odds are probably against it.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The Soviet Union is probably the most relevant comparison of all, and it happened peacefully.
  76. @Toronto Russian
    Excuse me, but millennials aren't consumerists.

    https://www.psychbytes.com/millennials-and-minimalism/

    Any "new mom hardship" post or comic will show you it's largely not about stuff.

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-05/sub-buzz-22730-1540837820-5.jpg

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-10/29/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-03/sub-buzz-2644-1540838017-1.jpg

    Want the perspective of a religious housewife rather than a "selfish feminist"? Spoken with all honesty, it's... about the same.

    I love my children.  There is no other way I’d rather spend my days on earth.  I truly desire to love my husband and children. And yet, most of these years, I have struggled in my role as a mother.

    Depressed.

    Feeling like a total failure.

    Exhausted.

    Stressed.

    Once a woman with such a tender outlook on marriage and motherhood, of being a willing helpmate for a man and raising up precious babes, slowly over time, warping into an unrecognizable person, inside and out.

    Crying.  Weeping.  Yelling.  Sitting on the couch completely numb.  Looking out the window at the woman freely walking her dog outside, my heart longing after the freedom, of being able to walk, of being able to leave the house without having to find shoes, pack a diaper bag, put on coats, buckle little people into car seats…

    Years of surviving day to day, many times wondering where the strength for the next day will come from.

    Drowning in housework.   Trying to figure out each and every day what to serve for three meals a day.  That’s not even the hard part–somehow I’ve got to load all these kids up and get to the store!  Trying to keep up with children.  Trying to teach them.  Trying to push through the exhaustion of sleepless nights.  Trying to psych myself up to go to church, because honestly, most of the time, I dread going because of how hard it is to get there and be there (but so worth it and so important to go!).   Trying not to bite my unsuspecting husband’s head off  when he comes home, when all I want to do is say “they’re all yours!” and run out the door.

    Wondering why so often I feel like such a terrible wife and mother.

    Years of going through days upon days of feeling completely alone and yet longing for some precious time just. to be. ALONE.

    What happened to the Proverbs 31 woman, who “laughs at the days to come”?

    There are days when smiling even seems like too much.  Laughing?  What is laughing?  I find myself asking the questions, either crying out to God or to myself in the presence of my poor children who have probably felt they are more of a curse to their mother rather than a blessing:

    Why is this so hard?!  Why can’t I seem to get anything done?!  What am I doing wrong?!  Why can’t I find more joy in this?!  Why aren’t I laughing at these days?!  Why, instead, am I  looking forward to the END of the day?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140123111203/http://hiddenwithyou.com/2013/11/14/desperate-housewives-no-laughing-matter-why-young-mothers-dont-need-god-they-need-help-2/
     

    Something like 20% of girls aged 11-14 have mental health issues, double what it was a generation ago. This isn’t unique to mothers. To the contrary, married mothers with kids report better mental health and happiness than single, childless women do.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    If nothing else, having children keeps parents in general too busy to think about about how bad (they think) their lives are. This fits in with the larger notion of the comfort paradox. Modernity has allowed us to spend very little time planning our own continued survival. We now have lots of time to sit and convince ourselves how bad things are. Meaning, mental illness and depression would likely all but vanish if everyone was required to spend 12 hours a day physically working to ensure their own continued existence.

    As for the post you replied to with the cartoons, it mostly fits into Sailer's theory about feminist journalism: Let's talk about me! Good for little else though.
  77. @Audacious Epigone
    Even more than religiosity is positively correlated with fertility, educational attainment is inversely correlated with it (in women).

    Even more than religiosity is positively correlated with fertility, educational attainment is inversely correlated with it (in women).

    Is there any correlation between educational attainment and numbers of children for men?

  78. @Audacious Epigone
    3) Enforce the nation's immigration laws, return native fertility to replacement, deportation of all non-citizens once their legal residencies expire.

    Sure, 3) is unlikely, but it's within the realm of possibility. 2) is pure fantasy and 1) is a really, really long way off. South Africa hasn't collapsed. The rest of the West is still a long way away from the South African situation.

    South Africa hasn’t collapsed. The rest of the West is still a long way away from the South African situation.

    Take a look at Rome. A hundred years of chaos from about 133BC to 27BC. Levels of decadence in the first century AD that almost approach what we have now, combined with periodic outbursts of butchery. Endless coups. And Rome survived for another 400 years.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Modern communication and transport technology (and really, military technology) mean that mistakes can have very immediate and devastating consequences. When Merkel opened the borders, word got out over-night and a bazillion people swarmed into Europe. I don't think any modern empire will ever have the staying power that the ancient ones did. BTW, did the state of Rome ever voluntarily transform it's demographics to less than 50% Roman in the span of just 50 years? America was culturally, economically, and demographically formidable and largely united (except as regards the ever troublesome black population) in the 1930's-70's (remember that this is when Missionaries, Losts, GIs, and Silents ran the show, not Boomer headcases). Since the mid-80's we've off-shored most heavy industry, brought in tons of foreign labor, and have gotten much fatter and weaker. America is objectively a much worse country than it was 50 or 60 years ago. We aren't going to "sustain" our empire much longer.
  79. @Audacious Epigone
    We are closer to seeing a peaceful dissolution of the European Union than many people realize.

    Peaceful dissolution is more plausible than this reckless talk of terrorist insurgency is.

    We are closer to seeing a peaceful dissolution of the European Union than many people realize.

    I’d say that after the train wreck that Brexit has been it is very very unlikely that any other country will attempt to leave.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Personally I think it's reasonable to suspect that at least some of the traditionally Orthodox (and possibly Catholic) countries of Europe could end up being run by more aggressive traditionalist nationalists who vow to not be changed by the perverted forces of modern Zionist oriented Protestant countries* (and their stealth Wahhabi allies).

    You're correct that it's going to be very difficult for Protestant countries to smoothly extricate themselves from the vehicle that they designed for their own benefit. And how fitting of today's ideological crisis that the seat of Anglo society, The U.K., voted to get out of the E.U., mostly on the grounds that Britain's one-time Teutonic enemies of Deutschland were gaining too much power from the E.U.

    My hunch is that the Anglo-Zionist-Wahhabi pushers of "liberal democracy" are just going to get more nutty, over-zealous, and arrogant, which will force a reckoning between them and everyone else. But they've gotten fat and inept since 1946, and eventually will decline; already, Putin (and "peacenik" Trump to some degree) have been able to tone down the neo-con flavored attempts to sow greater discord in the Middle East.

    *The rising population of non-whites in erstwhile white Protestant countries is going to force more candid discussion of the Israel lobby; no matter how Ashkenazis feel about Nordic barbarians, that doesn't change the fact that their "conversion" of modern white Protestants to being tolerant of Jews is just not something that they've duplicated with any other ethnic group, not just in the modern age but in any age in history. Privileged Neo-Cons and Jews are going to desperately try to suppress any dissent toward the Israel lobby, but this can't work for too much longer; hell, Trump got elected partially because of his blasting of neo-con policy.
  80. @Mr. Rational
    Whatever, man.  I am too broken-down to be an active participant in anything anymore; it took me weeks to fix my own busted lawnmower.  I would not want to be privy to more than those 10 pages because that knowledge would make me a target.  But throwing concepts out there is something that can excite imaginations while not giving any legitimate cause for action.  The people capable of action and excited by those concepts... those are the ones I hope find their way to the author of the 500-page action plan.

    So you’re at a point in life where you have nothing to lose, but the young guys who potentially could engage in some kind of insurgency have everything to lose–and they absolutely will lose everything if they act, which is why I vociferously object to these kinds of comments.

    Whites won’t even fight in meaningful numbers in South Africa against a government that explicitly makes death threats against them. Comfortable, safe, corpulent Western whites with governments that aren’t anything like as explicit sure as hell aren’t going to fight. Any fools who do will be doing so alone, and will hang alone as a consequence. I don’t want that on my conscience, so please stop talking about it here.

    • Agree: dfordoom, 216
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    So you’re at a point in life where you have nothing to lose
     
    On the contrary.  Plenty to lose, but little I could accomplish that would be worth losing it.  Spreading ideas, planting seeds... that still has little risk and possible high payoffs.
  81. @Toronto Russian
    It ends well though...

    You know what?  There are a few hours a week where something peculiar happens.  No, actually, peculiar isn’t the right word.  MIRACULOUS!  No, that isn’t the right word either.  I don’t know…how about WONDERFUL.  Something wonderful happens.  You know what it is?

    There are a few times during the week where I feel like …A NORMAL PERSON!

    Where I don’t feel overwhelmed.   When I am actually motivated.   When I can actually think straight.  When I feel happy.  You know what makes all the difference in the world?

    HAVING HELP!

    It’s a long story, but there is a young neighbor woman who has been coming over a few hours a week. (...) Oh my.  It’s like living in a completely different world.  During those few blissful hours?  I can nurse the baby, delegate a task, and the housework continues.  All work does not cease to be done when I am caring for a child or helping them with something, because it is not completely dependent upon me to do it while she is here.  I have help.   I can use the bathroom without people following me.  I can make a phone call in peace if I need to while she entertains the kids.

    We talk.  We commiserate.  Her youthful vigor inspires and motivates me.  My slightly more years of life experience answer her many questions.  We encourage each other!  It is absolutely a breath of fresh air in what can be very stagnant air of domestic life.

    And then, there is another older woman.  A dear woman, who without her kindness, I would’ve given up hope a long time ago, and I seriously might have walked away from the boring, stagnant life of lukewarm Christianity.  She restored my hope in humanity actually.  I had just about lost hope that caring people existed in this world.  That is, people who cared enough to actually DO something for another person.

    Do you know what this woman did?

    She volunteered to use her day off from work to come over so I could go to the store alone!  Or to run any other errands I needed to do.   Whatever I needed to do for a few hours, while she watched my kids.

    I still cannot express the PURE JOY of knowing someone cared.  The relief that comes from having physical help.  Someone to lend a hand during these years when our hands are so full.

    So, these seemingly insignificant needs we have, that we often laugh and joke about, they are very real.  Yes, adult conversation, using the bathroom in peace and having an extra set of hands makes all the difference in the life of a young mother.
     

    Back when we used to have real communities, mothers of young children would spend time together during the day. The progress takes away what forever took to find.

  82. @dfordoom

    your pipe dream peaceful political dissolution. Nobody believes that is feasible. If it is desirable, then why mention it if the only way to get it is through violence?
     
    That's an interesting point. Those promoting the idea of secession back in 1860 might well have argued that they were merely proposing a peaceful dissolution. 620,000 men died as a result.

    The problem is that any push for really significant political change involves the risk of ending in violence. Very occasionally it ends up being genuinely peaceful. The Glorious Revolution of 1688 was relatively bloodless. The French Revolution of 1848 caused very few casualties. Louis-Napoleon's coup d'état in 1851 was bloodless. Mussolini gained power in what was essentially a bloodless coup. The "Velvet Divorce" which dissolved Czechoslovakia in 1993 was bloodless.

    But sometimes peaceful change isn't so peaceful. The granting of independence to India was supposed to be peaceful. No-one knows how many died as a result. Estimates range from 200,000 to 2 million.

    So it can be done, but the odds are probably against it.

    The Soviet Union is probably the most relevant comparison of all, and it happened peacefully.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The Soviet Union is probably the most relevant comparison of all, and it happened peacefully.
     
    Yes, it can be done.

    But remember that the Soviet Union did not really collapse due to internal weaknesses. It also collapsed due to a lot of outside pressure from the US. There was also an element of bad luck - idiots on the scale of Gorbachev only come along once a century. Maybe we'll get lucky and the US will produce a Gorbachev of its own.
  83. @Audacious Epigone
    Whites have low fertility everywhere. There isn't a single US state with a white TFR at replacement any longer, not even heavily-Mormon Utah. And Western Europe? Forget about it, nowhere is even close (save for Iceland, but that entire country has the population of a third-tier American city).

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways--suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement--that they have no will to survive. Over one-third of American whites are actively cheerleading massive, unregulated non-white immigration into the US.

    Whites are behaving like American Indians before them--as a conquered people, increasingly mired in misery and hopelessness.

    “Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement–that they have no will to survive.”

    No, that is what YOU are saying. White normies have agency. They have dreams, aspirations, desires, faults, and problems. Their issues are the result of a myriad of political and economic factors, some of their volition, and some due to forces beyond their control. White normies are not anywhere near the level of being “conquered” or “defeated” as you proclaim. It’s virtue signaling on your part. Nor is there any “cheerleading” of “being replaced” by white normies; rather, they recall their own ancestors who had been virtue signaled by nativists that they should “go back to where they came from”. Whatever your ethnic background is, Audicious, there were a number of your brethren you had been unwelcome because of their religious ideas, or their potential rivalry for employment, or due to their peculiar customs. White normies are sick and tired of politicians of both sides of the aisle who refuse to address the immigration problem. We have laws on the books–enforce them.

    Although, if you really want to get technical, from Alt Right leader Vox Day –> ”The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965.”

    Interesting. Basically, a specific group of whites, in this case European, who were deemed undesirable, which then opened up the floodgates to other “alien” Europeans to invade our shores.

  84. @Audacious Epigone
    The Soviet Union is probably the most relevant comparison of all, and it happened peacefully.

    The Soviet Union is probably the most relevant comparison of all, and it happened peacefully.

    Yes, it can be done.

    But remember that the Soviet Union did not really collapse due to internal weaknesses. It also collapsed due to a lot of outside pressure from the US. There was also an element of bad luck – idiots on the scale of Gorbachev only come along once a century. Maybe we’ll get lucky and the US will produce a Gorbachev of its own.

  85. @Audacious Epigone
    3) Enforce the nation's immigration laws, return native fertility to replacement, deportation of all non-citizens once their legal residencies expire.

    Sure, 3) is unlikely, but it's within the realm of possibility. 2) is pure fantasy and 1) is a really, really long way off. South Africa hasn't collapsed. The rest of the West is still a long way away from the South African situation.

    3) Enforce the nation’s immigration laws, return native fertility to replacement, deportation of all non-citizens once their legal residencies expire.

    None of that is possible while the hostile elites still rule, and they cannot be shaken out of power without a collapse-level event.

  86. Well, author, you ARE dumb.

    Firstly, you are dumb related to that topic you feel so uncomfortable about. Not ignorant; dumb. As there is a block in your psyche when such topic pops up. Certain types of men and most women have it.

    That wouldn’t be bad if you weren’t so DUMB re simple common sense. Talking about a controversial topic.

    You really don’t tell people NOT to talk about that topic and then YOU talk about that.
    “This is no place for that topic” sounds …..O.K………for those types I mentioned above.
    A comment later “You know, you are wrong about this and that………”.

    Just….. DUMB.

    That, having a clueless and dumb author, is why I gave up here, in “your” threads.

    So…..hehe…perhaps I could take back that “DUMB”. Maybe you are a crafty bastard after all, a?
    If only.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    There is nothing illegal about expressing a desire for peaceful devolving of political power. There is plenty that is illegal about conspiring to attack municipalities or the state itself, though.

    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!
  87. @Audacious Epigone
    So you're at a point in life where you have nothing to lose, but the young guys who potentially could engage in some kind of insurgency have everything to lose--and they absolutely will lose everything if they act, which is why I vociferously object to these kinds of comments.

    Whites won't even fight in meaningful numbers in South Africa against a government that explicitly makes death threats against them. Comfortable, safe, corpulent Western whites with governments that aren't anything like as explicit sure as hell aren't going to fight. Any fools who do will be doing so alone, and will hang alone as a consequence. I don't want that on my conscience, so please stop talking about it here.

    So you’re at a point in life where you have nothing to lose

    On the contrary.  Plenty to lose, but little I could accomplish that would be worth losing it.  Spreading ideas, planting seeds… that still has little risk and possible high payoffs.

  88. @peterAUS
    Well, author, you ARE dumb.

    Firstly, you are dumb related to that topic you feel so uncomfortable about. Not ignorant; dumb. As there is a block in your psyche when such topic pops up. Certain types of men and most women have it.

    That wouldn't be bad if you weren't so DUMB re simple common sense. Talking about a controversial topic.

    You really don't tell people NOT to talk about that topic and then YOU talk about that.
    "This is no place for that topic" sounds .....O.K.........for those types I mentioned above.
    A comment later "You know, you are wrong about this and that.........".

    Just..... DUMB.

    That, having a clueless and dumb author, is why I gave up here, in "your" threads.

    So.....hehe...perhaps I could take back that "DUMB". Maybe you are a crafty bastard after all, a?
    If only.

    There is nothing illegal about expressing a desire for peaceful devolving of political power. There is plenty that is illegal about conspiring to attack municipalities or the state itself, though.

    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    • Replies: @iffen
    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    And if peaceful political dissolution were possible, it would have happened then. None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world. I advocate for peaceful political activity, but when you do that, and then hold out the possibility that a separate "white" political entity can be created by that activity, it appears to me, and people like Peter, that it is a "diversion," a sop, to get people, like Peter, to spin their wheels trying to achieve an un-reachable goal.

    Peter is non-persuadable and has his scenario.

    You are correct in not allowing invitations to join together for violence against the state.

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the "core" objective, then planning for violence is rational. The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one's goal merits the application of violence.

  89. @Audacious Epigone
    Even more than religiosity is positively correlated with fertility, educational attainment is inversely correlated with it (in women).

    Yes that’s a reasonable proximate cause, and it is obvious to even the most casual observer that there is a causal link here — although it doesn’t address the reason(s) that such an obvious fact and its dire consequences are not being remediated.

    You have to get to the point where you are thinking strategically, and that means taking into account not only causal structures but also the resources available to influence them.

    Without doing that, you are heading into BlackPill territory, as evidenced by your “defeated people” narrative.

  90. Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954) compares to the Antitheses in The Sermon on the Mount; new teachings of old wisdom, intended lead us to salvation.

    Just another passage in the Gospel according to Earl Warren, in the holy SCOTUS reporter.

  91. @Audacious Epigone
    There is nothing illegal about expressing a desire for peaceful devolving of political power. There is plenty that is illegal about conspiring to attack municipalities or the state itself, though.

    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    And if peaceful political dissolution were possible, it would have happened then. None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world. I advocate for peaceful political activity, but when you do that, and then hold out the possibility that a separate “white” political entity can be created by that activity, it appears to me, and people like Peter, that it is a “diversion,” a sop, to get people, like Peter, to spin their wheels trying to achieve an un-reachable goal.

    Peter is non-persuadable and has his scenario.

    You are correct in not allowing invitations to join together for violence against the state.

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the “core” objective, then planning for violence is rational. The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one’s goal merits the application of violence.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the “core” objective, then planning for violence is rational.
     
    He is? Wow....
    Refreshing.

    The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one’s goal merits the application of violence.
     
    An interesting point.

    I'll REPEAT a core idea, briefly:
    You have the capability at hand and then, and only then, "they" will listen.

    I am aware that among the "alt-whatever" the level of imagination is staggeringly low, but, for some tiny minority here: you could achieve peaceful (well, some violence is inevitable; the catch is not to escalate too much) solution but ONLY if you have a capability to confront "their" capability to deliver violence.
    I am sure that around 10 % of people reading this can grasp the concept.

    Now, I also know why the idea isn't popular around. Doesn't matter. In time it will be.

    The only catch is will it be in time.

    As I keep saying: 10 % chance."We" can easily lose ..badly.

    Hope.
    , @dfordoom

    None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world.
     
    In fact I don't think any of my examples actually amounted to a peaceful relinquishing of power by an elite. If you take the Glorious Revolution of 1688 as an example, it was essentially a revolution by the elite (or by the dominant faction within the elite) with the objective of solidifying their hold on power. And the losers, James II and his Jacobite supporters, did not accept it as a final settlement and attempted two violent counter-revolutions (the '15 and the '45). So in fact the Glorious Revolution was only made permanent after considerable bloodshed so it really doesn't count as peaceful regime change.

    The French Revolution of 1848 merely replaced a liberal-bourgeois monarchy with a liberal-bourgeois republic.

    So yes, I agree that the chances of elites voluntarily giving up power are zero. The chances of forcing them to do so against their will but without bloodshed are very slim. In most cases peaceful regime change is just an internal reorganisation of the elites.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Political dissolution doesn't need to lead to ethnostates (and almost certainly will not lead to them).
    , @Feryl

    Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world
     
    Elites always have power, by definition. What changes is how well they wield that power, how well they can keep society together. High levels of camaraderie and trust mean that people are satisfied with the status quo; low levels mean that leadership is not doing it's job well, and are likely to be hated, beset by infighting, and will have a difficult time staving off challenges to their preferred ideology, and challenges by foreign nations who wish to gain more power and autonomy at the expense of the declining nation that no longer enjoys cohesion and national pride.
  92. @peterAUS

    How is that ticking along????
     
    Depends.
    For some, it's just beautiful. Those in the "globo-homo" team of the game.
    White guilt and deserved punishment in full swing.

    But, no need to push that angle around I guess. Won't get the traction I am afraid.
    The disconnect between what's happening there and what could happen in "Colonies", even Europe itself, is absolute.

    Had a chat with a woken guy last week.
    The idea that "we" should take a very good look at SA simply bounced off.

    Ignorance is bliss, until the last couple of hours.

    Had a chat with a woken guy last week.
    The idea that “we” should take a very good look at SA simply bounced off.

    That is a function of educational and mass media programming.

    Weak minds will follow the “prevailing wisdom” of authority figures.

    The guy would be a white nationalist if that was socially acceptable in his peer group.

  93. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Whites, collectively, are saying in all kinds of different ways–suicide, low fertility, increasing family dysfunction, cratering religious involvement
     
    I see it kind of inversely: Whites have decreasing religious involvement. Therefore, they are losing the will to survive. Increased suicide, dysfunction, and childlessness are symptoms. But the cause is a lack of religion. What motivated Newton? Tolstoy? Cortez? Washington? The fear of God. That was their cause to live.

    Why did my (white) ancestors tough the chilling Canadian winters, working harder and longer than slaves? Because they believed in God and that's what they had to do to survive. They worked through life so they could get to heaven. Without God, they would just have committed suicide, quite frankly.

    What's the fertility rate for White Evangelicals? Above replacement. Suicide rate for religious whites (any religion)? Low. Divorce rate? Also low.

    I see white people in church: some are ugly, broken, poor, weird, fat. They still have a reason to live. Many of them are married with children.

    Whites are displaying symptoms of a people who have fallen away from God and will pay the price.

    I don’t think Cortez was actually motivated by godly impulses. He was more of a soldier of fortune looking for adventure, women, and treasure after the Reconquista of Iberia. It still served as part of Gods plan to spread the Word to the heathen, though.

    • Replies: @iffen
    It still served as part of Gods plan to spread the Word to the heathen, though.

    Seriously? What sort of God needs conquistadors to spread the word?
  94. @Lockean Proviso
    I don't think Cortez was actually motivated by godly impulses. He was more of a soldier of fortune looking for adventure, women, and treasure after the Reconquista of Iberia. It still served as part of Gods plan to spread the Word to the heathen, though.

    It still served as part of Gods plan to spread the Word to the heathen, though.

    Seriously? What sort of God needs conquistadors to spread the word?

  95. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I don't know if you're referring to me as one of the "young guys"... either way you don't have to worry since I believe the best thing one can do for the white race is be successful, have white children and influence the community. Can't do that from jail.

    I suspect that you don't really care, and it's just an excuse for you to make us stop talking about this. You think the thought police may go after you or the blog may be shoad. Sailer is also rattled, as I've mentioned before.

    Tptb have threatened Unz and AE / Sailer dont want to get doxxed.

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” ethnostate.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” ethnostate.
     
    Precisely.

    As:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice the life on the planet as we know, do not create the capability for M.A.D.

     

    Hehe...how some concepts work so well for some parties, a?

    Or.....hahahaha...how about this (you know, imagination thing):

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop threatening/attacking a “white” ethnostate.
     
    Makes sense? CAPABILITY is the key.
    I know "we" know it. Maybe it's time to stop fooling ourselves, a?

    Or "we" will need one of those Dem lunatics in the White House to start that mental process?
    Fine.
  96. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    How old are you, btw?

    I’m not going to answer personal questions.  I really don’t care to be doxxed either.

  97. @Audacious Epigone
    Something like 20% of girls aged 11-14 have mental health issues, double what it was a generation ago. This isn't unique to mothers. To the contrary, married mothers with kids report better mental health and happiness than single, childless women do.

    If nothing else, having children keeps parents in general too busy to think about about how bad (they think) their lives are. This fits in with the larger notion of the comfort paradox. Modernity has allowed us to spend very little time planning our own continued survival. We now have lots of time to sit and convince ourselves how bad things are. Meaning, mental illness and depression would likely all but vanish if everyone was required to spend 12 hours a day physically working to ensure their own continued existence.

    As for the post you replied to with the cartoons, it mostly fits into Sailer’s theory about feminist journalism: Let’s talk about me! Good for little else though.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  98. @iffen
    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    And if peaceful political dissolution were possible, it would have happened then. None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world. I advocate for peaceful political activity, but when you do that, and then hold out the possibility that a separate "white" political entity can be created by that activity, it appears to me, and people like Peter, that it is a "diversion," a sop, to get people, like Peter, to spin their wheels trying to achieve an un-reachable goal.

    Peter is non-persuadable and has his scenario.

    You are correct in not allowing invitations to join together for violence against the state.

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the "core" objective, then planning for violence is rational. The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one's goal merits the application of violence.

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the “core” objective, then planning for violence is rational.

    He is? Wow….
    Refreshing.

    The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one’s goal merits the application of violence.

    An interesting point.

    I’ll REPEAT a core idea, briefly:
    You have the capability at hand and then, and only then, “they” will listen.

    I am aware that among the “alt-whatever” the level of imagination is staggeringly low, but, for some tiny minority here: you could achieve peaceful (well, some violence is inevitable; the catch is not to escalate too much) solution but ONLY if you have a capability to confront “their” capability to deliver violence.
    I am sure that around 10 % of people reading this can grasp the concept.

    Now, I also know why the idea isn’t popular around. Doesn’t matter. In time it will be.

    The only catch is will it be in time.

    As I keep saying: 10 % chance.”We” can easily lose ..badly.

    Hope.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    you could achieve peaceful (well, some violence is inevitable; the catch is not to escalate too much) solution but ONLY if you have a capability to confront “their” capability to deliver violence.
     
    An interesting point. I guess it's a bit like robbery. You don't have to shoot someone to take his wallet. All you need to do is to convince him that there's a very high chance he'll get shot if he doesn't hand over his wallet. You could even achieve your objective of getting his wallet with an unloaded gun, as long as he doesn't know it's unloaded.

    It's a risk either way. If the gun is not loaded and he calls your bluff he can either call the cops or beat the living daylights out of you. If the gun is loaded and he refuses to hand over the wallet you could end up shooting him, which could have unpleasant consequences.

    There are other options. You can say to the guy, "That's a really nice wallet you've got there. Be a real shame if something happened to it. Tell you what, you give me a hundred bucks and I'll protect you from thieves." I guess that's kind of like what Mussolini did - persuade the elites that only the fascists could protect them from a communist revolution, and that a fascist government would be a lot more palatable than a communist regime.
  99. @iffen
    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a "white" ethnostate.

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” ethnostate.

    Precisely.

    As:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice the life on the planet as we know, do not create the capability for M.A.D.

    Hehe…how some concepts work so well for some parties, a?

    Or…..hahahaha…how about this (you know, imagination thing):

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop threatening/attacking a “white” ethnostate.

    Makes sense? CAPABILITY is the key.
    I know “we” know it. Maybe it’s time to stop fooling ourselves, a?

    Or “we” will need one of those Dem lunatics in the White House to start that mental process?
    Fine.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Guys, be honest.

    When you read this (which makes a lot of sense, just perhaps not as the author intended):

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” ethnostate.
     
    how many of you had this thought popping in your mind:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” mindset.
     
    No need to publish that here; could be embarrassing, I feel.
    Gets better after that:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for challenging "US".
     
    Makes sense? 10 % around, tops?
    Don't publish it, please. How many got it. Please.
  100. @peterAUS

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” ethnostate.
     
    Precisely.

    As:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice the life on the planet as we know, do not create the capability for M.A.D.

     

    Hehe...how some concepts work so well for some parties, a?

    Or.....hahahaha...how about this (you know, imagination thing):

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop threatening/attacking a “white” ethnostate.
     
    Makes sense? CAPABILITY is the key.
    I know "we" know it. Maybe it's time to stop fooling ourselves, a?

    Or "we" will need one of those Dem lunatics in the White House to start that mental process?
    Fine.

    Guys, be honest.

    When you read this (which makes a lot of sense, just perhaps not as the author intended):

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” ethnostate.

    how many of you had this thought popping in your mind:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” mindset.

    No need to publish that here; could be embarrassing, I feel.
    Gets better after that:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for challenging “US”.

    Makes sense? 10 % around, tops?
    Don’t publish it, please. How many got it. Please.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    How about focusing on having an actual family before talking about sacrificing for a hypothetical one?

    The idea that people who won't even have children are going to fight for a future for their descendants... doesn't make sense.
  101. All you doomers should just wait and see.

    A slum lord in Louisiana was strangled by one of her tenants. That tenant had served 8 years for aggravated rape of an 8 year old, only 8 years because long term incarceration be bad for some people.

  102. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Lol. Just figured you wouldnt care since you make it sound like you're 90 years old. Took a month to fix the mower.

    Can you give a decade at least?

    What part of “I won’t answer personal questions” didn’t you understand?

  103. @anon
    "If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system. The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself."

    You know how you can get all of that realistically? Push for secession. That'd do it nicely. Honestly, after the failure to enforce the border and immigration controls (and Trump's ICE raids that never materialized), I think if a red state declared independence, the federal government would be too chicken to do anything about it. Frankly, the prospect of having a separate country all for my people that excludes the radical left - banned off the internet, NGOs banned, biased media banned, democrat party banned, anti-white language and commentary banned - is an extremely appealing prospect at this point, certainly after all the hatred directed at us in recent years (congressional democrat condemnations, endless slurs like "white privilege" and endless movie race and gender swaps, reparations, affirmative action, lies about gender wage gaps ... etc etc etc). Why can't we have a country all for us just like Japan is a country for the Japanese and Israel is a country for the Jews? Travel to both countries. There is a fraternity there not present here. It's intoxicating, that feeling of being comrades, of all being on the same team despite minor political differences. Don't you want that, too?

    Push for secession.

    Start contemplating that idea, I’d say, would be a good start.

    I think if a red state declared independence, the federal government would be too chicken to do anything about it.

    Oh, NO, it wouldn’t. Hell no. It would do its best to squash it as a bug.

    The only thing preventing that (being a squashed bug, that is) is, again, start thinking about it now.
    Or sooner than later. Especially later. Could be too late.

  104. @Brabantian
    Epic blackpill here today from Audacious Epigone

    Boomers still hold onto a classically liberal approach ... They lived free, and once they die, the aspiration to live free will die with them.
     
    So not much hope then? The anti-poz Zoomers as authoritarian as those who would oppress them?

    Higher spiritual powers maybe yet will show their hand ...

    So not much hope then? The anti-poz Zoomers as authoritarian as those who would oppress them?

    How many anti-poz Zoomers are there? They’re such a tiny handful that they’re hardly even relevant. Zoomers have been marinated in the poz from birth. They don’t even know what it means to be anti-poz.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the “Gen Z is incredibly based and they’ll save us” fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.

    As to whether Zoomers are authoritarian in general terms, again they’ve been marinated since birth in soft totalitarianism. They are incapable of comprehending a society in which people think for themselves. The very idea of people thinking for themselves makes them cry.

    • Replies: @L Woods

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the “Gen Z is incredibly based and they’ll save us” fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.
     
    Well, heartists has been pushing the incredibly contrived idea that the alt-right are the “cool kids,” rather than the misfits and outcasts they actually are. So there’s that
    , @Feryl

    How many anti-poz Zoomers are there? They’re such a tiny handful that they’re hardly even relevant. Zoomers have been marinated in the poz from birth. They don’t even know what it means to be anti-poz.
     
    Well, sure, they grew up when the Western world completely lost it's mind regarding economic issues, foreign policy issues, and racial/gender issues over the last 20 years.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the “Gen Z is incredibly based and they’ll save us” fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.
     
    There's a sort of wish, desired by the most partisan or desperate people in older generations, that they can benefit from youngsters who turn out "well" (of course, which traits are desired will vary depending on the personality and ideology of the people who buy into this). But you need to have a favorable series of events, and several generations of capable leaders, to gradually guide you to paradise (e.g., the peak period of the late 1950's was only made possible by several generations finally reaping the benefit of three decade's worth of mostly good decisions by leadership; furthermore, we began to shift towards better leadership in 1900, anyway, meaning that it basically took over 50 years to build something great.)
  105. @Pretzel Yardstick

    Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?
     
    To answer your rhetorical question: I don't want another child or a kitchen rethink; I'd rather take a vacation in the Greek islands, except that overpopulation has made them overrun with tourists; I don't want a new car but I don't want a new child to signal my virtue; I'd choose without a second thought to live in a nicer (and less congested) neighborhood.

    And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.
     
    No, genius, one child per couple is not "extinction level." It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Since you are such a fan of quantity over quality of life, may I recommend Hong Kong for its population density? It goes with your wish on a star for more reproduction. You could have a two-room apartment on the 41st floor of a tower block with a great view of other high-rise residential filing cabinets for your fellow uber-breeders.

    I don’t want a new car but I don’t want a new child to signal my virtue

    It’s actually the childfree lot who are doing all the virtue-signalling. Self-extinction to save the planet.

  106. @anon
    "If Whites recognized the war and demanded an end to it, that would be one huge blow against the system. The repression required to continue in the face of that demand would de-legitimize the system and may collapse it all by itself."

    You know how you can get all of that realistically? Push for secession. That'd do it nicely. Honestly, after the failure to enforce the border and immigration controls (and Trump's ICE raids that never materialized), I think if a red state declared independence, the federal government would be too chicken to do anything about it. Frankly, the prospect of having a separate country all for my people that excludes the radical left - banned off the internet, NGOs banned, biased media banned, democrat party banned, anti-white language and commentary banned - is an extremely appealing prospect at this point, certainly after all the hatred directed at us in recent years (congressional democrat condemnations, endless slurs like "white privilege" and endless movie race and gender swaps, reparations, affirmative action, lies about gender wage gaps ... etc etc etc). Why can't we have a country all for us just like Japan is a country for the Japanese and Israel is a country for the Jews? Travel to both countries. There is a fraternity there not present here. It's intoxicating, that feeling of being comrades, of all being on the same team despite minor political differences. Don't you want that, too?

    Frankly, the prospect of having a separate country all for my people that excludes the radical left

    How would secession achieve that? Even in the reddest of red states you’re going to have lots of SJWs in the cities. And the universities. So you’d have to demolish the cities and send the city-dwellers into the countryside. You’d have to shut down all universities. But then you’d still have lots of SJW schoolteachers. So you’d have to shut down all the schools.

    You’d still get SJW propaganda from outside, through media and social media. In fact your new seceded state would be subjected, deliberately, to an incredible barrage of SJW/globalist propaganda from the rest of the country. So you’d have to ban TV sets and ban the internet in your new country. Your government would have to take over all the media outlets and newspapers in your state.

    You’d have to seal the borders tight to prevent globohomo activists from entering your state. You’d need a wall.

    You’d have to go full Pol Pot. Year Zero.

    The only way such a state could survive would be as a tightly controlled one-party socialist state. A kind of anti-SJW North Korea.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Idaho is not California. South Dakota is not New York.
  107. How would secession achieve that?

    …….you’d have to demolish the cities and send the city-dwellers into the countryside. You’d have to shut down all universities.

    …..you’d have to shut down all the schools.

    ….you’d have to ban TV sets and ban the internet in your new country.

    …. You’d need a wall.

    From somebody who has a Website; thinks about certain matters and writes them for wider public.
    I even actually engaged with you before on some topics.
    Impressive, really.

    Two positives that came from such comments here, though:
    1. I’ve re-evaluated my own (slipping, apparently) ability to spot “types” on the Internet. Will have to tighten up the “selection” process here and in real life.
    2. Scale down that “10 %” probability for success to 8.”Own” forces element.

    All good.

  108. @iffen
    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    And if peaceful political dissolution were possible, it would have happened then. None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world. I advocate for peaceful political activity, but when you do that, and then hold out the possibility that a separate "white" political entity can be created by that activity, it appears to me, and people like Peter, that it is a "diversion," a sop, to get people, like Peter, to spin their wheels trying to achieve an un-reachable goal.

    Peter is non-persuadable and has his scenario.

    You are correct in not allowing invitations to join together for violence against the state.

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the "core" objective, then planning for violence is rational. The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one's goal merits the application of violence.

    None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world.

    In fact I don’t think any of my examples actually amounted to a peaceful relinquishing of power by an elite. If you take the Glorious Revolution of 1688 as an example, it was essentially a revolution by the elite (or by the dominant faction within the elite) with the objective of solidifying their hold on power. And the losers, James II and his Jacobite supporters, did not accept it as a final settlement and attempted two violent counter-revolutions (the ’15 and the ’45). So in fact the Glorious Revolution was only made permanent after considerable bloodshed so it really doesn’t count as peaceful regime change.

    The French Revolution of 1848 merely replaced a liberal-bourgeois monarchy with a liberal-bourgeois republic.

    So yes, I agree that the chances of elites voluntarily giving up power are zero. The chances of forcing them to do so against their will but without bloodshed are very slim. In most cases peaceful regime change is just an internal reorganisation of the elites.

  109. @peterAUS

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the “core” objective, then planning for violence is rational.
     
    He is? Wow....
    Refreshing.

    The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one’s goal merits the application of violence.
     
    An interesting point.

    I'll REPEAT a core idea, briefly:
    You have the capability at hand and then, and only then, "they" will listen.

    I am aware that among the "alt-whatever" the level of imagination is staggeringly low, but, for some tiny minority here: you could achieve peaceful (well, some violence is inevitable; the catch is not to escalate too much) solution but ONLY if you have a capability to confront "their" capability to deliver violence.
    I am sure that around 10 % of people reading this can grasp the concept.

    Now, I also know why the idea isn't popular around. Doesn't matter. In time it will be.

    The only catch is will it be in time.

    As I keep saying: 10 % chance."We" can easily lose ..badly.

    Hope.

    you could achieve peaceful (well, some violence is inevitable; the catch is not to escalate too much) solution but ONLY if you have a capability to confront “their” capability to deliver violence.

    An interesting point. I guess it’s a bit like robbery. You don’t have to shoot someone to take his wallet. All you need to do is to convince him that there’s a very high chance he’ll get shot if he doesn’t hand over his wallet. You could even achieve your objective of getting his wallet with an unloaded gun, as long as he doesn’t know it’s unloaded.

    It’s a risk either way. If the gun is not loaded and he calls your bluff he can either call the cops or beat the living daylights out of you. If the gun is loaded and he refuses to hand over the wallet you could end up shooting him, which could have unpleasant consequences.

    There are other options. You can say to the guy, “That’s a really nice wallet you’ve got there. Be a real shame if something happened to it. Tell you what, you give me a hundred bucks and I’ll protect you from thieves.” I guess that’s kind of like what Mussolini did – persuade the elites that only the fascists could protect them from a communist revolution, and that a fascist government would be a lot more palatable than a communist regime.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    An interesting analogy.

    You the same guy who wrote !?

    …….you’d have to demolish the cities and send the city-dwellers into the countryside. You’d have to shut down all universities.

    …..you’d have to shut down all the schools.

    ….you’d have to ban TV sets and ban the internet in your new country.

    …. You’d need a wall.
     
    Multiple personalities?
    A couple of guys using the same machine/nick?
    Good days/bad days?

    In any case, interesting.

    I was thinking more along the lines of a famous fellow:

    ....speak softly and carry a big stick....
     
    Or, in this particular case, stick big enough to make the "other guy" pause.
  110. Honestly Brown v. Board of Education has become meaningless. People self-segregate. Cities that enforce desegregation through busing experience so much white flight, they’ve become de facto ethnic ghettos.

    As millennials age, form families, they are ditching the city life and returning to the suburbs. Suburban cities are grouped by school districts. Those grouped into good school districts attract higher income professionals and have higher rent/home prices, so our suburbs are in effect segregated along class lines rather than racial lines.

    However, the enlightened liberals running our lives are working hard to change this. Progressive cities like Portland, Minneapolis etc. are passing zoning laws to disallow single-family-home-only zoning, in effect forcing “affordable” housing into high income neighborhoods. Organizations like “Habitat for Humanity” are forcing city councils to give them plots of land to build low income housing in expensive suburban cities. Liberals are increasingly running for office in traditionally conservative suburbs, voting for their suburban towns to build ever more apartments to accommodate “diversity”, when in fact most are just working for developers in exchange for financial support when they run for higher office.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The smart ones, like George Lucas, know what to say and exactly what to do to guarantee they are able to live lives where they don't have to experience a bit of all the things they claim are so great. The dumb ones, like de Blasio, actually believe the virtue-signalling crap and end up turning SWPL paradises into hellholes.
  111. @Pretzel Yardstick
    If you are correct about the plunge in birth rates among Hispanics, Whites, and Asians, that's great. In an insanely overpopulated world, we should not be encouraging any increase. You go ahead and spawn nine babies if you must, but I'm going to tell anyone who asks that you are an irresponsible asshole.

    That leaves Africans, who will never get the message, so we must let nature take its course through the violence and disease caused by their own dysfunction.

    Bingo.

    Conservatards went all in on “family values” and such in the 80’s, saying that Man has dominion over the Earth and needs to make babies for Jesus. This was all a deliberate attempt to over-turn the 1970’s era culture of people facing the reality that human population across the Earth had exploded in the 1950’s and 60’s, and as such, we were going to face a grim future of declining resources. Nowadays the Alt-Right is mostly in agreement that the Left sold out in the 90’s, while the post-1980 mainstream Right is largely useless on the subject of population over-shoot. The Left doesn’t want people to know that only Africans are refusing to act responsibly, while The Right stills adheres to the “die hippies” mentality that makes them incapable of grasping the implications of pop. over-shoot (plus the most cucked people on the Right don’t think anything of massive demographic changes).

  112. @iffen
    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    And if peaceful political dissolution were possible, it would have happened then. None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world. I advocate for peaceful political activity, but when you do that, and then hold out the possibility that a separate "white" political entity can be created by that activity, it appears to me, and people like Peter, that it is a "diversion," a sop, to get people, like Peter, to spin their wheels trying to achieve an un-reachable goal.

    Peter is non-persuadable and has his scenario.

    You are correct in not allowing invitations to join together for violence against the state.

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the "core" objective, then planning for violence is rational. The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one's goal merits the application of violence.

    Political dissolution doesn’t need to lead to ethnostates (and almost certainly will not lead to them).

    • Replies: @iffen
    Maybe you need to expound on your concept of "political dissolution" and describe (in detail)exactly what it would look like.

    If you just want to "go back" to what we had, why wouldn't it just devolve into what we have now?

  113. @Pretzel Yardstick

    Would you rather have another child or get the kitchen remodelled? Would you rather have another child or take a vacation to the Greek Islands? Would you rather have another child or a new car? Would you rather have another child or live in a nicer neighbourhood?
     
    To answer your rhetorical question: I don't want another child or a kitchen rethink; I'd rather take a vacation in the Greek islands, except that overpopulation has made them overrun with tourists; I don't want a new car but I don't want a new child to signal my virtue; I'd choose without a second thought to live in a nicer (and less congested) neighborhood.

    And one child per couple equals extinction level fertility.
     
    No, genius, one child per couple is not "extinction level." It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Since you are such a fan of quantity over quality of life, may I recommend Hong Kong for its population density? It goes with your wish on a star for more reproduction. You could have a two-room apartment on the 41st floor of a tower block with a great view of other high-rise residential filing cabinets for your fellow uber-breeders.

    No, genius, one child per couple is not “extinction level.” It means fewer people with more room and more resources.

    Something which the Anglo world understood and used to it’s advantage, for a long time. But said Anglos also created the foundation of globalist ne0-liberalism, which has ravaged the English speaking countries since the 80’s.

  114. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    I don't know if you're referring to me as one of the "young guys"... either way you don't have to worry since I believe the best thing one can do for the white race is be successful, have white children and influence the community. Can't do that from jail.

    I suspect that you don't really care, and it's just an excuse for you to make us stop talking about this. You think the thought police may go after you or the blog may be shoad. Sailer is also rattled, as I've mentioned before.

    Tptb have threatened Unz and AE / Sailer dont want to get doxxed.

    Steve Sailer does this for a living. If paypal shuts down his account, that is a big deal, and there is plenty of precedent for it.

    No one has threatened any of us so far as I know–I haven’t been, anyway–but you have to be blind to not see what the trend is. What kind of influence does Heartiste have now? How badly has Alex Jones’ reach been reduced?

    It’s easy to be cavalier about it when if one place goes down you can just jump over to another place and start commenting there, but for people who’ve put a lot of time into their work–I’ve been blogging for 15 years–the prospect of being tossed into the virtual void really sucks.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    No one has threatened any of us so far as I know–I haven’t been, anyway–but you have to be blind to not see what the trend is. What kind of influence does Heartiste have now? How badly has Alex Jones’ reach been reduced?

    Being "anonymous" and data-focused ought to be safer than the "celebrity", or "entertainment"*, approach. Alex Jones was always kind of a goof, and he did too many things to sabotage his credibility (his non-stop hysterical approach to anything involving mass shootings really was what did him in, as he tried too hard to pander to the gun nuts about their paranoia that things were being set up to further gun control.

    My 2C is that when an ideology or culture is in it's death throes (as post-1980 neo-liberal multi-culturalism now is), the establishment defenders of it can freak out and desperately suppress dissent and movement away from the dominant ideology. That can lead to Civil Wars and such. Alternatively, the establishment can listen to what people actually want, which is what gave us the New Deal and growing cultural peace and freedom.

    But we shouldn't be freaking out ourselves, and further driving up the tension. Last I checked, Stef Molyneux still has a YouTube channel, because he focuses mainly on a rather dry ideology of libertarian capitalism, and other issues are handled very analytically when they come up. I consider this the reason he still is "hanging on"; banning him from YouTube could result in legal action but YouTube would not have a strong legal case for banning him, because he isn't a manipulative or sloppy ideologue trying to exhort anyone. So that's why they won't ban him.

    *Historically, something like 80% (or more) of entertainers lean very far to the Left (since traditional conservative regimes generally are aligned with religious authorities who do not permit obscenity and blasphemy). That would explain why it's dangerous for conservatives (or even moderates) to step too frequently on their turf. Heartiste was too oriented to being witty and entertaining, which Leftists found to very disturbing, because they expect conservatives to be stolid and boring. Well, if being "boring" means being left alone, then so be it.
  115. @dfordoom

    So not much hope then? The anti-poz Zoomers as authoritarian as those who would oppress them?
     
    How many anti-poz Zoomers are there? They're such a tiny handful that they're hardly even relevant. Zoomers have been marinated in the poz from birth. They don't even know what it means to be anti-poz.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the "Gen Z is incredibly based and they'll save us" fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.

    As to whether Zoomers are authoritarian in general terms, again they've been marinated since birth in soft totalitarianism. They are incapable of comprehending a society in which people think for themselves. The very idea of people thinking for themselves makes them cry.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the “Gen Z is incredibly based and they’ll save us” fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.

    Well, heartists has been pushing the incredibly contrived idea that the alt-right are the “cool kids,” rather than the misfits and outcasts they actually are. So there’s that

  116. @peterAUS
    Guys, be honest.

    When you read this (which makes a lot of sense, just perhaps not as the author intended):

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” ethnostate.
     
    how many of you had this thought popping in your mind:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for a “white” mindset.
     
    No need to publish that here; could be embarrassing, I feel.
    Gets better after that:

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of your family and friends, you should stop advocating for challenging "US".
     
    Makes sense? 10 % around, tops?
    Don't publish it, please. How many got it. Please.

    How about focusing on having an actual family before talking about sacrificing for a hypothetical one?

    The idea that people who won’t even have children are going to fight for a future for their descendants… doesn’t make sense.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    This is embarrassing.
    Don't you think you replied to a wrong guy here?

    May I offer a piece of advice:
    You read something unsettling (in your case anything related to violence).
    Get up, take a walk, deep breathing, stuff like that. If you are a youngish fellow or/and into fitness (don't give a fuck in your case; this is just a general method) you can do some pushups after you get up. If really into fitness burpees help too. Get a grip. Get composed and collected.
    Then, and only then try to reply. Type it in Word, read, edit. Do it again. Find the post which unbalanced you. DON'T READ IT, just fast skim over to the "reply" part. Copy/paste your reply.
    Read it again. Post.

    See, you, an author, are supposed to lead by example. You know, the concept of power/responsibility.
    I know you can't work on "dumb" factor but can on style. Like....dumb gentleman. Imagine all those Pom brass in WW1. Could help.
    Carry on. Please.

    Ah, one more thing.
    Your types can actually be extremely useful in that type of (imagined, mind you, don't get stressed) conflict.
    See, at the very begining, it's not so easy to motivate people to pull a trigger. That's where your types come handy.
    Say, "we" are in the first building of our settlement and "they" just drive up to around 600 meters from "us". Careful fellows. Start the ritual. I'll skip the details; suffice to say somebody has to go and speak with them. Well, any sensible person in a "bunch" knows it's probably a suicide but your type, believing in the inherent goodness of the human soul and resolving conflicts without violence volunteers to do that. Guys just love you. So, you walk over there, the guys adjust the sights and simply wait for those guys to take you out. That's the signal to open up.
    From then on all good.
    Makes sense?

    Now, please, get up, pushups.....

  117. @dfordoom

    Frankly, the prospect of having a separate country all for my people that excludes the radical left
     
    How would secession achieve that? Even in the reddest of red states you're going to have lots of SJWs in the cities. And the universities. So you'd have to demolish the cities and send the city-dwellers into the countryside. You'd have to shut down all universities. But then you'd still have lots of SJW schoolteachers. So you'd have to shut down all the schools.

    You'd still get SJW propaganda from outside, through media and social media. In fact your new seceded state would be subjected, deliberately, to an incredible barrage of SJW/globalist propaganda from the rest of the country. So you'd have to ban TV sets and ban the internet in your new country. Your government would have to take over all the media outlets and newspapers in your state.

    You'd have to seal the borders tight to prevent globohomo activists from entering your state. You'd need a wall.

    You'd have to go full Pol Pot. Year Zero.

    The only way such a state could survive would be as a tightly controlled one-party socialist state. A kind of anti-SJW North Korea.

    Idaho is not California. South Dakota is not New York.

  118. @dfordoom

    South Africa hasn’t collapsed. The rest of the West is still a long way away from the South African situation.
     
    Take a look at Rome. A hundred years of chaos from about 133BC to 27BC. Levels of decadence in the first century AD that almost approach what we have now, combined with periodic outbursts of butchery. Endless coups. And Rome survived for another 400 years.

    Modern communication and transport technology (and really, military technology) mean that mistakes can have very immediate and devastating consequences. When Merkel opened the borders, word got out over-night and a bazillion people swarmed into Europe. I don’t think any modern empire will ever have the staying power that the ancient ones did. BTW, did the state of Rome ever voluntarily transform it’s demographics to less than 50% Roman in the span of just 50 years? America was culturally, economically, and demographically formidable and largely united (except as regards the ever troublesome black population) in the 1930’s-70’s (remember that this is when Missionaries, Losts, GIs, and Silents ran the show, not Boomer headcases). Since the mid-80’s we’ve off-shored most heavy industry, brought in tons of foreign labor, and have gotten much fatter and weaker. America is objectively a much worse country than it was 50 or 60 years ago. We aren’t going to “sustain” our empire much longer.

  119. @dfordoom

    you could achieve peaceful (well, some violence is inevitable; the catch is not to escalate too much) solution but ONLY if you have a capability to confront “their” capability to deliver violence.
     
    An interesting point. I guess it's a bit like robbery. You don't have to shoot someone to take his wallet. All you need to do is to convince him that there's a very high chance he'll get shot if he doesn't hand over his wallet. You could even achieve your objective of getting his wallet with an unloaded gun, as long as he doesn't know it's unloaded.

    It's a risk either way. If the gun is not loaded and he calls your bluff he can either call the cops or beat the living daylights out of you. If the gun is loaded and he refuses to hand over the wallet you could end up shooting him, which could have unpleasant consequences.

    There are other options. You can say to the guy, "That's a really nice wallet you've got there. Be a real shame if something happened to it. Tell you what, you give me a hundred bucks and I'll protect you from thieves." I guess that's kind of like what Mussolini did - persuade the elites that only the fascists could protect them from a communist revolution, and that a fascist government would be a lot more palatable than a communist regime.

    An interesting analogy.

    You the same guy who wrote !?

    …….you’d have to demolish the cities and send the city-dwellers into the countryside. You’d have to shut down all universities.

    …..you’d have to shut down all the schools.

    ….you’d have to ban TV sets and ban the internet in your new country.

    …. You’d need a wall.

    Multiple personalities?
    A couple of guys using the same machine/nick?
    Good days/bad days?

    In any case, interesting.

    I was thinking more along the lines of a famous fellow:

    ….speak softly and carry a big stick….

    Or, in this particular case, stick big enough to make the “other guy” pause.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I was thinking more along the lines of a famous fellow:

    "….speak softly and carry a big stick…."

    Or, in this particular case, stick big enough to make the “other guy” pause.
     
    I don't think that would quite work in the context under discussion. The size of the stick is irrelevant. There has to be an implicit credible threat to use the stick. And in the context under discussion that's a major problem - how to convey that threat without appearing to be making a threat.
  120. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    He's a nice Kansas white. Good midwest boy, but he has the Genes that are unfortunately typical to many whites; the Genes of moderation and empathy.

    If this were 1860 AE would be advocating for peaceful emancipation of the slaves.

    This type is dying off slowly since most have gotten hooked by the sjws but some still remain in the religious middle west.

    I left tornado alley several months ago, incidentally. I no longer live in Kansas.

  121. @Audacious Epigone
    Political dissolution doesn't need to lead to ethnostates (and almost certainly will not lead to them).

    Maybe you need to expound on your concept of “political dissolution” and describe (in detail)exactly what it would look like.

    If you just want to “go back” to what we had, why wouldn’t it just devolve into what we have now?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    If you just want to “go back” to what we had, why wouldn’t it just devolve into what we have now?
     
    Yep, that's the problem. You can rewind the tape to an earlier point but once you push the play button again you're going to end up with the exact same song playing.

    So any kind of traditionalist ideology has to have an element of radicalism. If you want things to be like they were in the 50s then, paradoxically, you have to aim for a society that is significantly different from the historical 50s. You have to identify the deadly ideological and cultural illnesses that were already incubating within the body politic at that time and find a way to eliminate those illnesses completely and ruthlessly.

    If you want things to be like they were in the 90s then in some ways that might seem like a more realistic objective, but it isn't. Because by the 90s those deadly ideological illnesses had already done most of their work. It's hard to see how you could hope to recreate the 90s as a genuinely healthy society.

    So straightforward traditionalism ain't gonna work.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Audacious though I am, I don't pretend to know what it's going to look like. At a first approximation, not much will change. Your paycheck will be 20% larger because federal deductions will be gone and you'll no longer be able to reap the benefits of whatever it is the federal government does for you now (ie no downside in my case).
  122. @Audacious Epigone
    Steve Sailer does this for a living. If paypal shuts down his account, that is a big deal, and there is plenty of precedent for it.

    No one has threatened any of us so far as I know--I haven't been, anyway--but you have to be blind to not see what the trend is. What kind of influence does Heartiste have now? How badly has Alex Jones' reach been reduced?

    It's easy to be cavalier about it when if one place goes down you can just jump over to another place and start commenting there, but for people who've put a lot of time into their work--I've been blogging for 15 years--the prospect of being tossed into the virtual void really sucks.

    No one has threatened any of us so far as I know–I haven’t been, anyway–but you have to be blind to not see what the trend is. What kind of influence does Heartiste have now? How badly has Alex Jones’ reach been reduced?

    Being “anonymous” and data-focused ought to be safer than the “celebrity”, or “entertainment”*, approach. Alex Jones was always kind of a goof, and he did too many things to sabotage his credibility (his non-stop hysterical approach to anything involving mass shootings really was what did him in, as he tried too hard to pander to the gun nuts about their paranoia that things were being set up to further gun control.

    My 2C is that when an ideology or culture is in it’s death throes (as post-1980 neo-liberal multi-culturalism now is), the establishment defenders of it can freak out and desperately suppress dissent and movement away from the dominant ideology. That can lead to Civil Wars and such. Alternatively, the establishment can listen to what people actually want, which is what gave us the New Deal and growing cultural peace and freedom.

    But we shouldn’t be freaking out ourselves, and further driving up the tension. Last I checked, Stef Molyneux still has a YouTube channel, because he focuses mainly on a rather dry ideology of libertarian capitalism, and other issues are handled very analytically when they come up. I consider this the reason he still is “hanging on”; banning him from YouTube could result in legal action but YouTube would not have a strong legal case for banning him, because he isn’t a manipulative or sloppy ideologue trying to exhort anyone. So that’s why they won’t ban him.

    *Historically, something like 80% (or more) of entertainers lean very far to the Left (since traditional conservative regimes generally are aligned with religious authorities who do not permit obscenity and blasphemy). That would explain why it’s dangerous for conservatives (or even moderates) to step too frequently on their turf. Heartiste was too oriented to being witty and entertaining, which Leftists found to very disturbing, because they expect conservatives to be stolid and boring. Well, if being “boring” means being left alone, then so be it.

  123. @Audacious Epigone
    How about focusing on having an actual family before talking about sacrificing for a hypothetical one?

    The idea that people who won't even have children are going to fight for a future for their descendants... doesn't make sense.

    This is embarrassing.
    Don’t you think you replied to a wrong guy here?

    May I offer a piece of advice:
    You read something unsettling (in your case anything related to violence).
    Get up, take a walk, deep breathing, stuff like that. If you are a youngish fellow or/and into fitness (don’t give a fuck in your case; this is just a general method) you can do some pushups after you get up. If really into fitness burpees help too. Get a grip. Get composed and collected.
    Then, and only then try to reply. Type it in Word, read, edit. Do it again. Find the post which unbalanced you. DON’T READ IT, just fast skim over to the “reply” part. Copy/paste your reply.
    Read it again. Post.

    See, you, an author, are supposed to lead by example. You know, the concept of power/responsibility.
    I know you can’t work on “dumb” factor but can on style. Like….dumb gentleman. Imagine all those Pom brass in WW1. Could help.
    Carry on. Please.

    Ah, one more thing.
    Your types can actually be extremely useful in that type of (imagined, mind you, don’t get stressed) conflict.
    See, at the very begining, it’s not so easy to motivate people to pull a trigger. That’s where your types come handy.
    Say, “we” are in the first building of our settlement and “they” just drive up to around 600 meters from “us”. Careful fellows. Start the ritual. I’ll skip the details; suffice to say somebody has to go and speak with them. Well, any sensible person in a “bunch” knows it’s probably a suicide but your type, believing in the inherent goodness of the human soul and resolving conflicts without violence volunteers to do that. Guys just love you. So, you walk over there, the guys adjust the sights and simply wait for those guys to take you out. That’s the signal to open up.
    From then on all good.
    Makes sense?

    Now, please, get up, pushups…..

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Yes, that reply was meant for iffen but it doesn't really matter.

    Why not go be a secret king somewhere else?
  124. @dfordoom

    We are closer to seeing a peaceful dissolution of the European Union than many people realize.
     
    I'd say that after the train wreck that Brexit has been it is very very unlikely that any other country will attempt to leave.

    Personally I think it’s reasonable to suspect that at least some of the traditionally Orthodox (and possibly Catholic) countries of Europe could end up being run by more aggressive traditionalist nationalists who vow to not be changed by the perverted forces of modern Zionist oriented Protestant countries* (and their stealth Wahhabi allies).

    You’re correct that it’s going to be very difficult for Protestant countries to smoothly extricate themselves from the vehicle that they designed for their own benefit. And how fitting of today’s ideological crisis that the seat of Anglo society, The U.K., voted to get out of the E.U., mostly on the grounds that Britain’s one-time Teutonic enemies of Deutschland were gaining too much power from the E.U.

    My hunch is that the Anglo-Zionist-Wahhabi pushers of “liberal democracy” are just going to get more nutty, over-zealous, and arrogant, which will force a reckoning between them and everyone else. But they’ve gotten fat and inept since 1946, and eventually will decline; already, Putin (and “peacenik” Trump to some degree) have been able to tone down the neo-con flavored attempts to sow greater discord in the Middle East.

    *The rising population of non-whites in erstwhile white Protestant countries is going to force more candid discussion of the Israel lobby; no matter how Ashkenazis feel about Nordic barbarians, that doesn’t change the fact that their “conversion” of modern white Protestants to being tolerant of Jews is just not something that they’ve duplicated with any other ethnic group, not just in the modern age but in any age in history. Privileged Neo-Cons and Jews are going to desperately try to suppress any dissent toward the Israel lobby, but this can’t work for too much longer; hell, Trump got elected partially because of his blasting of neo-con policy.

  125. @dfordoom

    So not much hope then? The anti-poz Zoomers as authoritarian as those who would oppress them?
     
    How many anti-poz Zoomers are there? They're such a tiny handful that they're hardly even relevant. Zoomers have been marinated in the poz from birth. They don't even know what it means to be anti-poz.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the "Gen Z is incredibly based and they'll save us" fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.

    As to whether Zoomers are authoritarian in general terms, again they've been marinated since birth in soft totalitarianism. They are incapable of comprehending a society in which people think for themselves. The very idea of people thinking for themselves makes them cry.

    How many anti-poz Zoomers are there? They’re such a tiny handful that they’re hardly even relevant. Zoomers have been marinated in the poz from birth. They don’t even know what it means to be anti-poz.

    Well, sure, they grew up when the Western world completely lost it’s mind regarding economic issues, foreign policy issues, and racial/gender issues over the last 20 years.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the “Gen Z is incredibly based and they’ll save us” fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.

    There’s a sort of wish, desired by the most partisan or desperate people in older generations, that they can benefit from youngsters who turn out “well” (of course, which traits are desired will vary depending on the personality and ideology of the people who buy into this). But you need to have a favorable series of events, and several generations of capable leaders, to gradually guide you to paradise (e.g., the peak period of the late 1950’s was only made possible by several generations finally reaping the benefit of three decade’s worth of mostly good decisions by leadership; furthermore, we began to shift towards better leadership in 1900, anyway, meaning that it basically took over 50 years to build something great.)

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    But you need to have a favorable series of events, and several generations of capable leaders, to gradually guide you to paradise (e.g., the peak period of the late 1950’s was only made possible by several generations finally reaping the benefit of three decade’s worth of mostly good decisions by leadership; furthermore, we began to shift towards better leadership in 1900, anyway, meaning that it basically took over 50 years to build something great.)
     
    Yeah, it's important to remember that even when social change seems to be rapid it isn't. It takes three or four generations at least. It takes that long to build, and it takes that long to destroy. The complete insanity we're seeing at the moment would not be possible had the process of destruction not begun back in the 50s. That's when radical social liberalism really began its work in earnest.

    So you're perfectly correct that undoing the damage would take generations.
  126. @iffen
    As for my allegedly bringing it up, this is a thread about a SCOTUS case on school desegregation!

    And if peaceful political dissolution were possible, it would have happened then. None of the examples cited by you and doom are in any way relevant to the US. Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world. I advocate for peaceful political activity, but when you do that, and then hold out the possibility that a separate "white" political entity can be created by that activity, it appears to me, and people like Peter, that it is a "diversion," a sop, to get people, like Peter, to spin their wheels trying to achieve an un-reachable goal.

    Peter is non-persuadable and has his scenario.

    You are correct in not allowing invitations to join together for violence against the state.

    Peter is correct that peaceful political dissolution will not happen, and if that is the "core" objective, then planning for violence is rational. The only decision to be made is whether trying to achieve one's goal merits the application of violence.

    Elites do not voluntarily give up power except in a fantasy world

    Elites always have power, by definition. What changes is how well they wield that power, how well they can keep society together. High levels of camaraderie and trust mean that people are satisfied with the status quo; low levels mean that leadership is not doing it’s job well, and are likely to be hated, beset by infighting, and will have a difficult time staving off challenges to their preferred ideology, and challenges by foreign nations who wish to gain more power and autonomy at the expense of the declining nation that no longer enjoys cohesion and national pride.

  127. 216 says:
    @NYMOM
    South Africa is "ticking along" with Whites being afraid to go outside without an armed escort and now the ANC trying to pass a bill to remove guns from the security forces that protect them. This is just in the major cities, the isolated farm settlements are just on their own as far as security goes...

    Not to mention the periodic riots that occur as Blacks take to the streets in these so-called "protests" that include setting fire to schools and other public buildings as they rampage along unchecked.

    How is that ticking along????

    Those people need to be evacuated asap to places like Australia or New Zealand as they are facing a slow-moving genocide.

    Is ZA a failed state?

    By First World standards, yes.

    By Third World standards, no.

    Until it fails, there will be enough leftists claiming that the legacy of apartheid is the source of all problems.

    The per capita income in ZA is still higher than India’s, and they won’t pass them until 2025 at the earliest, probably later.

    Both China and India also have interests in ZA, and I suspect that one or both might deploy troops if it looked like a Yugoslav-style situation was developing.

  128. I find it a little silly to talk about polling for support for overturning a court ruling. Are Supreme Court decisions made by popular opinion? Why not get to the root of the matter by simply accepting that a Supreme Court ruling is only binding upon parties to the suit?

    The doctrine of stare decisis as applied currently makes a Supreme Court ruling a matter of settled law, affecting any subsequent case involving the same legal question. This gives the Judicial Branch de facto legislative power in defiance of the articles of the US Constitution in which legislative power rests solely with Congress.

  129. @peterAUS
    An interesting analogy.

    You the same guy who wrote !?

    …….you’d have to demolish the cities and send the city-dwellers into the countryside. You’d have to shut down all universities.

    …..you’d have to shut down all the schools.

    ….you’d have to ban TV sets and ban the internet in your new country.

    …. You’d need a wall.
     
    Multiple personalities?
    A couple of guys using the same machine/nick?
    Good days/bad days?

    In any case, interesting.

    I was thinking more along the lines of a famous fellow:

    ....speak softly and carry a big stick....
     
    Or, in this particular case, stick big enough to make the "other guy" pause.

    I was thinking more along the lines of a famous fellow:

    “….speak softly and carry a big stick….”

    Or, in this particular case, stick big enough to make the “other guy” pause.

    I don’t think that would quite work in the context under discussion. The size of the stick is irrelevant. There has to be an implicit credible threat to use the stick. And in the context under discussion that’s a major problem – how to convey that threat without appearing to be making a threat.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    ....how to convey that threat without appearing to be making a threat.
     
    Got it.
    Bad day or different personality. Or a flatmate.
  130. @iffen
    Maybe you need to expound on your concept of "political dissolution" and describe (in detail)exactly what it would look like.

    If you just want to "go back" to what we had, why wouldn't it just devolve into what we have now?

    If you just want to “go back” to what we had, why wouldn’t it just devolve into what we have now?

    Yep, that’s the problem. You can rewind the tape to an earlier point but once you push the play button again you’re going to end up with the exact same song playing.

    So any kind of traditionalist ideology has to have an element of radicalism. If you want things to be like they were in the 50s then, paradoxically, you have to aim for a society that is significantly different from the historical 50s. You have to identify the deadly ideological and cultural illnesses that were already incubating within the body politic at that time and find a way to eliminate those illnesses completely and ruthlessly.

    If you want things to be like they were in the 90s then in some ways that might seem like a more realistic objective, but it isn’t. Because by the 90s those deadly ideological illnesses had already done most of their work. It’s hard to see how you could hope to recreate the 90s as a genuinely healthy society.

    So straightforward traditionalism ain’t gonna work.

  131. @Feryl

    How many anti-poz Zoomers are there? They’re such a tiny handful that they’re hardly even relevant. Zoomers have been marinated in the poz from birth. They don’t even know what it means to be anti-poz.
     
    Well, sure, they grew up when the Western world completely lost it's mind regarding economic issues, foreign policy issues, and racial/gender issues over the last 20 years.

    Of all the ludicrous right-wing fantasies the “Gen Z is incredibly based and they’ll save us” fantasy has to be the saddest and most pathetic.
     
    There's a sort of wish, desired by the most partisan or desperate people in older generations, that they can benefit from youngsters who turn out "well" (of course, which traits are desired will vary depending on the personality and ideology of the people who buy into this). But you need to have a favorable series of events, and several generations of capable leaders, to gradually guide you to paradise (e.g., the peak period of the late 1950's was only made possible by several generations finally reaping the benefit of three decade's worth of mostly good decisions by leadership; furthermore, we began to shift towards better leadership in 1900, anyway, meaning that it basically took over 50 years to build something great.)

    But you need to have a favorable series of events, and several generations of capable leaders, to gradually guide you to paradise (e.g., the peak period of the late 1950’s was only made possible by several generations finally reaping the benefit of three decade’s worth of mostly good decisions by leadership; furthermore, we began to shift towards better leadership in 1900, anyway, meaning that it basically took over 50 years to build something great.)

    Yeah, it’s important to remember that even when social change seems to be rapid it isn’t. It takes three or four generations at least. It takes that long to build, and it takes that long to destroy. The complete insanity we’re seeing at the moment would not be possible had the process of destruction not begun back in the 50s. That’s when radical social liberalism really began its work in earnest.

    So you’re perfectly correct that undoing the damage would take generations.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    We have one good thing working for us--the Marcusians have taken over a bunch of large inflexible old institutions (.gov,corporate,church, non-profit, education, media) because those were the available targets where power and influence were centered. (They have also taken over the newer large institutions, like Silicon Valley "I Spy" corporations as well.)

    They have focused on the large--so we need to oppose all of these large institutions and create new and numerous smaller ones.

    Big = bad today.

    That new paradigm will take time, and will either be done by young people--or not done at all.
  132. @dfordoom

    I was thinking more along the lines of a famous fellow:

    "….speak softly and carry a big stick…."

    Or, in this particular case, stick big enough to make the “other guy” pause.
     
    I don't think that would quite work in the context under discussion. The size of the stick is irrelevant. There has to be an implicit credible threat to use the stick. And in the context under discussion that's a major problem - how to convey that threat without appearing to be making a threat.

    ….how to convey that threat without appearing to be making a threat.

    Got it.
    Bad day or different personality. Or a flatmate.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Bad day or different personality.
     
    Depends how blackpilled I'm feeling.
  133. @peterAUS

    ....how to convey that threat without appearing to be making a threat.
     
    Got it.
    Bad day or different personality. Or a flatmate.

    Bad day or different personality.

    Depends how blackpilled I’m feeling.

  134. @dfordoom

    But you need to have a favorable series of events, and several generations of capable leaders, to gradually guide you to paradise (e.g., the peak period of the late 1950’s was only made possible by several generations finally reaping the benefit of three decade’s worth of mostly good decisions by leadership; furthermore, we began to shift towards better leadership in 1900, anyway, meaning that it basically took over 50 years to build something great.)
     
    Yeah, it's important to remember that even when social change seems to be rapid it isn't. It takes three or four generations at least. It takes that long to build, and it takes that long to destroy. The complete insanity we're seeing at the moment would not be possible had the process of destruction not begun back in the 50s. That's when radical social liberalism really began its work in earnest.

    So you're perfectly correct that undoing the damage would take generations.

    We have one good thing working for us–the Marcusians have taken over a bunch of large inflexible old institutions (.gov,corporate,church, non-profit, education, media) because those were the available targets where power and influence were centered. (They have also taken over the newer large institutions, like Silicon Valley “I Spy” corporations as well.)

    They have focused on the large–so we need to oppose all of these large institutions and create new and numerous smaller ones.

    Big = bad today.

    That new paradigm will take time, and will either be done by young people–or not done at all.

  135. @Tired of Not Winning
    Honestly Brown v. Board of Education has become meaningless. People self-segregate. Cities that enforce desegregation through busing experience so much white flight, they've become de facto ethnic ghettos.

    As millennials age, form families, they are ditching the city life and returning to the suburbs. Suburban cities are grouped by school districts. Those grouped into good school districts attract higher income professionals and have higher rent/home prices, so our suburbs are in effect segregated along class lines rather than racial lines.

    However, the enlightened liberals running our lives are working hard to change this. Progressive cities like Portland, Minneapolis etc. are passing zoning laws to disallow single-family-home-only zoning, in effect forcing "affordable" housing into high income neighborhoods. Organizations like "Habitat for Humanity" are forcing city councils to give them plots of land to build low income housing in expensive suburban cities. Liberals are increasingly running for office in traditionally conservative suburbs, voting for their suburban towns to build ever more apartments to accommodate "diversity", when in fact most are just working for developers in exchange for financial support when they run for higher office.

    The smart ones, like George Lucas, know what to say and exactly what to do to guarantee they are able to live lives where they don’t have to experience a bit of all the things they claim are so great. The dumb ones, like de Blasio, actually believe the virtue-signalling crap and end up turning SWPL paradises into hellholes.

  136. @iffen
    Maybe you need to expound on your concept of "political dissolution" and describe (in detail)exactly what it would look like.

    If you just want to "go back" to what we had, why wouldn't it just devolve into what we have now?

    Audacious though I am, I don’t pretend to know what it’s going to look like. At a first approximation, not much will change. Your paycheck will be 20% larger because federal deductions will be gone and you’ll no longer be able to reap the benefits of whatever it is the federal government does for you now (ie no downside in my case).

  137. @peterAUS
    This is embarrassing.
    Don't you think you replied to a wrong guy here?

    May I offer a piece of advice:
    You read something unsettling (in your case anything related to violence).
    Get up, take a walk, deep breathing, stuff like that. If you are a youngish fellow or/and into fitness (don't give a fuck in your case; this is just a general method) you can do some pushups after you get up. If really into fitness burpees help too. Get a grip. Get composed and collected.
    Then, and only then try to reply. Type it in Word, read, edit. Do it again. Find the post which unbalanced you. DON'T READ IT, just fast skim over to the "reply" part. Copy/paste your reply.
    Read it again. Post.

    See, you, an author, are supposed to lead by example. You know, the concept of power/responsibility.
    I know you can't work on "dumb" factor but can on style. Like....dumb gentleman. Imagine all those Pom brass in WW1. Could help.
    Carry on. Please.

    Ah, one more thing.
    Your types can actually be extremely useful in that type of (imagined, mind you, don't get stressed) conflict.
    See, at the very begining, it's not so easy to motivate people to pull a trigger. That's where your types come handy.
    Say, "we" are in the first building of our settlement and "they" just drive up to around 600 meters from "us". Careful fellows. Start the ritual. I'll skip the details; suffice to say somebody has to go and speak with them. Well, any sensible person in a "bunch" knows it's probably a suicide but your type, believing in the inherent goodness of the human soul and resolving conflicts without violence volunteers to do that. Guys just love you. So, you walk over there, the guys adjust the sights and simply wait for those guys to take you out. That's the signal to open up.
    From then on all good.
    Makes sense?

    Now, please, get up, pushups.....

    Yes, that reply was meant for iffen but it doesn’t really matter.

    Why not go be a secret king somewhere else?

  138. Why not go be a secret king somewhere else?

    No.

    I know your angle.
    I know you know mine.

    Your problem isn’t “violence”.

    It’s putting “secession” as an idea.
    For “civnats” it’s…just…… a terrible thought. Terrible.

    See, your types (at the moment the majority of alt-whatever) believe that voting, on the federal level, is the key. True believers in the “Amerian dream”.
    I believe it’s voting on the local level. And that must be backed up with the capability to counter federal ability to deliver violence.

    In time, accelerating, I am positive, more Whites will start to feel the same.
    Not by reading online, thinking, blah..blah…just by watching what’s going on around them.
    Say…3-7 years from now. 30 % I guess. Enough.

    You think what we write here is important. It isn’t. If it was this site wouldn’t exist.
    People do not get motivated for a change by reading something. They get pushed by real life.
    My take, in this game: demographics and insanity at the Federal level.

    So, you just keep doing what you’ve been doing.
    I’ll do the same.

    Good fun, a?

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