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For those who feel compelled to attend public protests and rallies, there are a hundred ways things can go wrong and only one way things can go right. To realize the latter, a person has to be willing to take one for the team and capture it happening on video.

Public sympathy will always be on the side of the perceived non-violent victim of violence. The claim to self-defense is no defense in these situations, as said self-defense will be edited to look like offense. And if there’s no video, it didn’t happen–or worse, it happened in a way completely at odds from how it actually took place.

That’s how Trump supporters were made to look like thuggish instigators with such frequency during the 2016 presidential campaign even though they were on the receiving end of a lot more violence than they delivered.

Andy Ngo managed to do everything right. He showed up with a camera–no inflammatory signs, no taunting behaviors, just a camera–and he was criminally assaulted and abused. He now has corporate media figures like Jake Tapper publicly taking his side and Senator Ted Cruz is very publicly calling for a federal investigation. If the mayor of Portland ends up being found at fault, the city may become the next Oberlin and Ngo may become America’s next millionaire.

The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way.

 
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  1. Sid says:

    If you can’t squarely condemn what happened to Andrew Ngo, you can’t be considered a good person. I’ve been reporting tweets which defend or celebrate the violence dealt to him to Twitter. I’m under no illusions they’ll take punish the jerks tweeting it out, but it is important that the censors look squarely at what they’re covering for and hence enabling.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Thanks. I do think it helps.
  2. The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way.

    The Alt-Right is all right and it will come to power in France, England, Germany, the USA and many other European Christian nations.

    The Alt-Right is just the European Christian ancestral core of the USA getting out from under the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and its whores in Conservatism Incorporated.

    The Alt-Right just means alternative right. The Alt-Right is an alternative to the globalizer plutocrats who own and control the Republican Party. If the new political contest is between Patriots and Globalizers, then the Alt-Right is on the Patriot side against the Globalizers such as Trump who front for the sovereignty-sapping plutocrats such as Shelly Adelson and the Koch Boys and Paul Singer.

    Teddy Cruz is a globalizer politician whore who pushes mass legal immigration and legalization(amnesty) for illegal alien invaders. The GOP lost California because of GOP globalizer open border types like Teddy Cruz. Teddy Cruz came close to losing to the Ritalin kid in Texas because of mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and Teddy Cruz still pushes the globalizer plot to flood out the USA with foreigners.

    If the term Alt-Right bothers some people, you can make a joke and say it was named for Prussian model Carol Alt.

    For me it’s about WHITE!

    White Identity Politics

    White Core America

    The only thing preventing the Alt-Right from coming to power in the USA is monetary extremism and propaganda. The globalized central banker shysters are in the last ditch and the Alt-Right will dislodge the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire from power when the asset bubbles implode.

    In other words, electronic currency and electronic propaganda are the only things holding the USA together.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    In other words, electronic currency and electronic propaganda are the only things holding the USA together.

    No disagreement on this.
  3. By that logic the neocons and Israel should end any time now… Muslims attack concerts and people fawn even more at them, one can find many other such counterexamples.

    Clearly this argument for being a paladin is total bullshit. Antifa is not going to end because somebody is their victim, the reason is because they are being backed by people doing even more violence. The people that control the megaphone can spin any narrative they want, there is no way that playing the victim is ever going to work.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that's why they're so rarely shown. The military futility, profligacy, etc convinces very few people.

    Muslim immigration is the most acceptable immigration to oppose because of Islamic terrorism.

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That's sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.
  4. Jake Tapper is defending him primarily because he’s a journalist. They look after their own, as long as they don’t stray too far from the reservation.

    Your random alt-right activist won’t get this treatment.

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Ngo has chronicled several hate crime hoaxes. That's what he is primarily known for. Very few journalists who have a beat like that are going to get favorable recognition from the top corporate media personalities.
  5. “Antifa’s end will come about in the same way.”

    You’re excessively optimistic. Antifa has the support of too many people in too many positions of power. The alt-right was a revolt against the people in power.

    I hope you’re right, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

    • Agree: Daniel H
  6. OT: I was looking at busing questions in the GSS and it turns out that the GSS hasn’t asked about since 1996! Talk about a Jurassic Park issue. The public did become somewhat more supportive of busing after Nixon and Reagan Judges stopped the courts from pushing the issue.

  7. This is why the public and media rallied on masse to defend Richard Spencer after he was sucker punched by that random antifa. O wait

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    A lot of people did condemn it. Spencer was still able to get on national corporate media then. Yes, it was always to play the dancing monkey, but he was still allowed on. It wasn't until Charlottesville several months later that he became completely blacklisted.
  8. Why is it not relevant whether alt-right violence was defensive in nature or not? Whether they initiated the violence is at the heart of the issue. By your logic, it makes no difference whether the police were right to kill an alleged intruder since he is already dead anyway.

    And the alt-right is far from dead. More and more disaffected, alienated young men, most of whom are white, have the same feelings that something is seriously wrong in the land, even as they are being driven underground. All they need are a few charismatic leaders to organize and motivate them. The country has abandoned these proles and they have nowhere else to go. A day of reckoning is on the horizon.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    In terms of 'optics', I mean. The persuasion effects are almost exclusively driven by perception. The percentages of people who dig any deeper is in the single-digits.

    Charlottesville is the most salient example. The alt-right was lawfully assembled, corralled into a gauntlet, set upon, and fought back. And nearly everyone in the country thinks Charlottesville was the alt-right attacking counter protesters and killing a woman. That retconning will never happen with Portland last weekend.
  9. I sort of wonder what Jeff Zucker is thinking to do. They have three options:

    1) Wholeheartedly condemn this and throw the right wing a bone (i.e. taking the L)
    2) Totally Ignore It and wait for it to blow over
    3) Try to Spin It (of all the CNN guys, Lemon is the one most likely to do that)

    If I was Zucker I’m not sure if 1 or 2 would be smarter. Option 3 at this juncture is retarded as they know it would give guys like Tucker more mileage.

  10. @Charles Pewitt

    The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way.

     

    The Alt-Right is all right and it will come to power in France, England, Germany, the USA and many other European Christian nations.

    The Alt-Right is just the European Christian ancestral core of the USA getting out from under the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and its whores in Conservatism Incorporated.

    The Alt-Right just means alternative right. The Alt-Right is an alternative to the globalizer plutocrats who own and control the Republican Party. If the new political contest is between Patriots and Globalizers, then the Alt-Right is on the Patriot side against the Globalizers such as Trump who front for the sovereignty-sapping plutocrats such as Shelly Adelson and the Koch Boys and Paul Singer.

    Teddy Cruz is a globalizer politician whore who pushes mass legal immigration and legalization(amnesty) for illegal alien invaders. The GOP lost California because of GOP globalizer open border types like Teddy Cruz. Teddy Cruz came close to losing to the Ritalin kid in Texas because of mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and Teddy Cruz still pushes the globalizer plot to flood out the USA with foreigners.

    If the term Alt-Right bothers some people, you can make a joke and say it was named for Prussian model Carol Alt.

    For me it's about WHITE!

    White Identity Politics

    White Core America

    The only thing preventing the Alt-Right from coming to power in the USA is monetary extremism and propaganda. The globalized central banker shysters are in the last ditch and the Alt-Right will dislodge the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire from power when the asset bubbles implode.

    In other words, electronic currency and electronic propaganda are the only things holding the USA together.

    In other words, electronic currency and electronic propaganda are the only things holding the USA together.

    No disagreement on this.

    • Replies: @iffen
    But, but, but, what about our little platoons. Won't they save us?
  11. “I need some muscle over here,”

    Check

  12. @Audacious Epigone
    In other words, electronic currency and electronic propaganda are the only things holding the USA together.

    No disagreement on this.

    But, but, but, what about our little platoons. Won’t they save us?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    LARPing violence is dumb. Actual violence in this case would be even dumber because the right would get mercilessly crushed, literally and in the court of public opinion.
  13. The 70s leftist terrorism lead to the 80s conservative backlash. Perhaps the same will happen again?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Daniel H
    The 70s leftist terrorism lead to the 80s conservative backlash. Perhaps the same will happen again?

    Yeah, and what was that backlash? Ronald Reagan, both Bushes, John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Alan Greespan, Bob Dole..... Open borders, mass migration, invade the world/invite the world, interminable war, debt slavery, deindustrialization, Wall Street, fentanyl, feckless Cuckservatism. No Thanks. Been chumped once. I would rather have the wacko left in power than "conservatives".
  14. @neutral
    By that logic the neocons and Israel should end any time now... Muslims attack concerts and people fawn even more at them, one can find many other such counterexamples.

    Clearly this argument for being a paladin is total bullshit. Antifa is not going to end because somebody is their victim, the reason is because they are being backed by people doing even more violence. The people that control the megaphone can spin any narrative they want, there is no way that playing the victim is ever going to work.

    The most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that’s why they’re so rarely shown. The military futility, profligacy, etc convinces very few people.

    Muslim immigration is the most acceptable immigration to oppose because of Islamic terrorism.

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That’s sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That’s sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.
     
    I’ve written this numerous times. The key to swaying public opinion is judiciously instigating one’s enemies, especially if they are the big and powerful, to overreact into being overly malicious and oppressive. It’s the classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy fighting against the strong that cannot be defeated in an open battlefield.

    Nazi LARPing might feel good in a psychologically masturbatory way, but all it inspires is a small coterie of malcontents while alienating the bulk of the public.

    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.
    , @neutral
    Like I said, it matters who controls the megaphone, there is absolutely not a lack of dead children images due to Israel or the neocons, funny how one never sees them.

    If Gandhi was anti Israel then there is zero doubt how he would be portrayed now, hoping to play the victim is worse than useless, you are just playing a willing lamb to the slaughter with zero benefits.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "the most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that’s why they’re so rarely shown"

    But if pictures of dead children can be used as arguments for open borders, show them again and again!
  15. @Sid
    If you can't squarely condemn what happened to Andrew Ngo, you can't be considered a good person. I've been reporting tweets which defend or celebrate the violence dealt to him to Twitter. I'm under no illusions they'll take punish the jerks tweeting it out, but it is important that the censors look squarely at what they're covering for and hence enabling.

    Thanks. I do think it helps.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  16. @Michael S
    Jake Tapper is defending him primarily because he's a journalist. They look after their own, as long as they don't stray too far from the reservation.

    Your random alt-right activist won't get this treatment.

    Ngo has chronicled several hate crime hoaxes. That’s what he is primarily known for. Very few journalists who have a beat like that are going to get favorable recognition from the top corporate media personalities.

  17. @L Woods
    This is why the public and media rallied on masse to defend Richard Spencer after he was sucker punched by that random antifa. O wait

    A lot of people did condemn it. Spencer was still able to get on national corporate media then. Yes, it was always to play the dancing monkey, but he was still allowed on. It wasn’t until Charlottesville several months later that he became completely blacklisted.

  18. @follyofwar
    Why is it not relevant whether alt-right violence was defensive in nature or not? Whether they initiated the violence is at the heart of the issue. By your logic, it makes no difference whether the police were right to kill an alleged intruder since he is already dead anyway.

    And the alt-right is far from dead. More and more disaffected, alienated young men, most of whom are white, have the same feelings that something is seriously wrong in the land, even as they are being driven underground. All they need are a few charismatic leaders to organize and motivate them. The country has abandoned these proles and they have nowhere else to go. A day of reckoning is on the horizon.

    In terms of ‘optics’, I mean. The persuasion effects are almost exclusively driven by perception. The percentages of people who dig any deeper is in the single-digits.

    Charlottesville is the most salient example. The alt-right was lawfully assembled, corralled into a gauntlet, set upon, and fought back. And nearly everyone in the country thinks Charlottesville was the alt-right attacking counter protesters and killing a woman. That retconning will never happen with Portland last weekend.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Sid
    The factors that caused the alt-right to rise haven't gone away. (Of course, that's not exactly a luminous endorsement of the Trump presidency!)

    There were strategic and tactical decisions that caused the alt-right to fall. Most notably, you can LARP or be 'ironically' pro-Nazi online, but you can't in real life.

    As such, the alt-right is all but extinct as an organizing force. Its utility as a political activist platform is moribund. But I don't know if anyone's mind has changed.

    I call my political views "dis-right," short for dissident, but at some point a new force will replace the alt-right and the placeholder can be dropped.
  19. @iffen
    But, but, but, what about our little platoons. Won't they save us?

    LARPing violence is dumb. Actual violence in this case would be even dumber because the right would get mercilessly crushed, literally and in the court of public opinion.

  20. @Audacious Epigone
    The most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that's why they're so rarely shown. The military futility, profligacy, etc convinces very few people.

    Muslim immigration is the most acceptable immigration to oppose because of Islamic terrorism.

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That's sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That’s sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.

    I’ve written this numerous times. The key to swaying public opinion is judiciously instigating one’s enemies, especially if they are the big and powerful, to overreact into being overly malicious and oppressive. It’s the classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy fighting against the strong that cannot be defeated in an open battlefield.

    Nazi LARPing might feel good in a psychologically masturbatory way, but all it inspires is a small coterie of malcontents while alienating the bulk of the public.

    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Exactly, because you're a person who has a developed relationship with violence. You understand what it is and what it means.

    These people don't. They don't realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.
    , @L Woods
    It is a classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy, although its record of success is imperfect to say the least.
    , @95Theses
    You’re probably on solid legal grounds up until the last man (or woman) standing. Read on.

    Against a Mob: Surviving in the Street and in Court
    2018, January 24 | Schuyler P. Robertson

    ... This case is important because it is cited in the book Warren: On Homicide, which is the definitive book on homicide law in the United States. A critical legal concept for self-defense in Warren is, “Where several are apparently preparing to join in an attack on defendant, his right of self-defense extends to each participant.” The concept was set as a precedent in State (WV) v. Foley.

    What this means for the law-abiding armed citizen is that, when faced with a violent mob whose words or actions indicate the participants intend on doing violence, each member of the mob shares the responsibility of the entirety of the mob and is equally and individually fair game for the defensive actions of the innocent defender. One important caveat in Warren is that, after the mob is whittled down to one member, any disparity of force caused by the number of attackers is gone.

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/mob-surviving-street-court/
     

    And affirmed in Massad Ayoob’s instructional video:

    Massad Ayoob "Judicious Use of Deadly Force"
    2015, May 13 | MrMuscleBilly

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j4PS_8R5IE#t=2610

    , @iffen
    Agree.

    Keep this up and you'll have to change your handle to Twinkie-Gandhi.
  21. By the way, what is it with overweight Antifa females joining in on every violent action I’ve seen in video? There is always one in every footage.

  22. @Twinkie

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That’s sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.
     
    I’ve written this numerous times. The key to swaying public opinion is judiciously instigating one’s enemies, especially if they are the big and powerful, to overreact into being overly malicious and oppressive. It’s the classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy fighting against the strong that cannot be defeated in an open battlefield.

    Nazi LARPing might feel good in a psychologically masturbatory way, but all it inspires is a small coterie of malcontents while alienating the bulk of the public.

    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Exactly, because you’re a person who has a developed relationship with violence. You understand what it is and what it means.

    These people don’t. They don’t realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    street theater.
     
    And the golden rule of street theater is to embarrass one’s enemies by making them look like the bad guys. Doesn’t anybody read Saul Alinsky these days?
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    These people don’t.
     
    Which side are you writing about here? I would say the ctrl-left even more than the alt-right. The ctrl-left are used to having the ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT on their side, from the press to the cops to the courts to the local, state, and fed governments. That works until it can't, and I'll write another comment about that in a minute.

    They have yet to get hit hard en masse. I'm no crazy warmonger, but then I see big parallels here with brown shirts and the Reds, as history rhymes very well here.
    , @Logan
    Posing and posturing.
    , @Gordo

    These people don’t. They don’t realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.
     
    The money power, who control the media, can present anything they want on the stage, or present nothing. They can prosecute the innocent and protect the guilty.

    It seemed with Trump that there was a way out of this through voting, but all the warning signs were there.
  23. @Twinkie

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That’s sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.
     
    I’ve written this numerous times. The key to swaying public opinion is judiciously instigating one’s enemies, especially if they are the big and powerful, to overreact into being overly malicious and oppressive. It’s the classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy fighting against the strong that cannot be defeated in an open battlefield.

    Nazi LARPing might feel good in a psychologically masturbatory way, but all it inspires is a small coterie of malcontents while alienating the bulk of the public.

    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    It is a classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy, although its record of success is imperfect to say the least.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Yup. Nothing is guaranteed in war, just as in life. All you can do is improve the odds.

    And to be clear, I’d rather be the strong than the weak in a fight, but sometimes you don’t get to choose.
  24. @L Woods
    It is a classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy, although its record of success is imperfect to say the least.

    Yup. Nothing is guaranteed in war, just as in life. All you can do is improve the odds.

    And to be clear, I’d rather be the strong than the weak in a fight, but sometimes you don’t get to choose.

  25. “The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way.”

    Not a chance. The alt-right does not have a support network made up of billionaires and their NGO’s. BLM and antifa have both been responsible for the deaths of many and yet they continue to exist and operate. I’m not sure how you can possibly equate the corroborated virility of the latter with the fragility of the former.

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    There isn’t a single event or shred of evidence that suggests the heritage-minded US citizens can reverse the course via legislation or litigation.

    By the time Andy Ngo receives his settlement, countless new laws, regulations, ordinances and legal precedents will have been born furthering the restriction of freedoms of association, speech, finance, and maybe even movement.

    • Replies: @Ghak
    Maybe the author is a concern troll or controled opposition?
    , @iffen

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    Charlottesville is the most salient example. The alt-right was lawfully assembled, corralled into a gauntlet, set upon, and fought back. And nearly everyone in the country thinks Charlottesville was the alt-right attacking counter protesters and killing a woman.
     

    He has it down to the T.

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

    Of course, he is likely wrong about Portland.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    To clarify, I don't mean the activities of antifa will end, just that the embrace of the term and of the specific demarcations will. BLM is a shell of what it was five years ago. So is the alt-right.
  26. @Audacious Epigone
    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Exactly, because you're a person who has a developed relationship with violence. You understand what it is and what it means.

    These people don't. They don't realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.

    street theater.

    And the golden rule of street theater is to embarrass one’s enemies by making them look like the bad guys. Doesn’t anybody read Saul Alinsky these days?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  27. They don’t realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.

    Nobody in USA is. West in general too. Well, except Irish/British older generation. Real political violence that is.
    At least for now.

    I just have a feeling we’ll see some catching up there within the next decade or so. Maybe even earlier.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  28. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way."

    Not a chance. The alt-right does not have a support network made up of billionaires and their NGO's. BLM and antifa have both been responsible for the deaths of many and yet they continue to exist and operate. I'm not sure how you can possibly equate the corroborated virility of the latter with the fragility of the former.

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    There isn't a single event or shred of evidence that suggests the heritage-minded US citizens can reverse the course via legislation or litigation.

    By the time Andy Ngo receives his settlement, countless new laws, regulations, ordinances and legal precedents will have been born furthering the restriction of freedoms of association, speech, finance, and maybe even movement.

    Maybe the author is a concern troll or controled opposition?

    • Disagree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Maybe the author is a concern troll or controled opposition?
     
    Don't think so (could be wrong, of course).

    The author is representative of a growing group of middle-class people who are trying to find a solution to the Problem. You know the type:mild-mannered, civilized, educated. Nice.

    They simply desperately want to believe that the opposition can be reasoned with. They are trying to find a way, any way, out of the Problem which doesn't involve physical violence.

    For them to flip into, literally, throwing a punch, swinging a stick, lunging with a knife or pulling a trigger requires traumatic personal experience, if that. One in ten is capable of the change and he is usually a quality addition to own group.
    The problem are those other nine. They'll fold and, in the world of real power play, work for the opposition. That is....hehe... ,maybe, something to think about.

  29. @Audacious Epigone
    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Exactly, because you're a person who has a developed relationship with violence. You understand what it is and what it means.

    These people don't. They don't realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.

    These people don’t.

    Which side are you writing about here? I would say the ctrl-left even more than the alt-right. The ctrl-left are used to having the ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT on their side, from the press to the cops to the courts to the local, state, and fed governments. That works until it can’t, and I’ll write another comment about that in a minute.

    They have yet to get hit hard en masse. I’m no crazy warmonger, but then I see big parallels here with brown shirts and the Reds, as history rhymes very well here.

  30. This is the first post of yours, A.E. in which I disagree with the gist of the whole thing. I respect this Andy Ngo, as little as I know about him yet, especially for being a real journalist, not for getting beat on or about the head.

    Nope, all it would have taken in Charlottesville, considering the UtR crowd simply wanted to exercise their right to speak out loud about American/Southern heritage, is for them to have had 10 times the numbers. I don’t even mean that in a sense of a fairer fight. I just mean this, which is another, better lesson to be learned from the 1960’s then getting the crap beat out of you and subsequently appearing on TV and in tweets:

    There is power in numbers. If the Charlottesville alt-right crowd had 2,000 people, not even all participants, just sympathizers that weren’t too chicken to even come out and cheer them on, they could not all be arrested, and they could not all be jailed. Imagine 5,000 family members coming to downtown Charlottesville to the courthouse to raise hell and carry on.

    You just need more people that aren’t afraid to speak up, that’s all. It beats getting beat up and hoping it’s all on camera for your grandchildren to see.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    You don't seem to appreciate how terrified American elites are of anything that looks like it could turn into a right wing militia, and how quick they are to nip it in the bud. Ruby Ridge and Waco, obviously, but more recently, look what happened with Gavin McInnes and his "Proud Boys", which he basically started as a joke and are a rainbow coalition of diversity.

    Gavin's been deplatformed, and three of the SOBs who defended him from Antifa in New York last fall are going on trial this summer.

    https://twitter.com/ColinRMoynihan/status/1131954033059651584

    One of those three guys, Kinsman, has a black wife and kid, and they're still dropping the hammer on him. You think the powers that be would have gone easier on a bunch of Richard Spencer-following Chads?
    , @95Theses
    That's good, but did UtR have advance knowledge that LEOs were being ordered to stand down?

    In retrospect, your advice now appears obvious, but I don't think the marchers ever believed that the police were just going to allow Antifa to have their way.

    That said, you're right that any future march ought to have more numbers. (And more cameras. More self-defense tools/accessories.)

  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    This is the first post of yours, A.E. in which I disagree with the gist of the whole thing. I respect this Andy Ngo, as little as I know about him yet, especially for being a real journalist, not for getting beat on or about the head.

    Nope, all it would have taken in Charlottesville, considering the UtR crowd simply wanted to exercise their right to speak out loud about American/Southern heritage, is for them to have had 10 times the numbers. I don't even mean that in a sense of a fairer fight. I just mean this, which is another, better lesson to be learned from the 1960's then getting the crap beat out of you and subsequently appearing on TV and in tweets:

    There is power in numbers. If the Charlottesville alt-right crowd had 2,000 people, not even all participants, just sympathizers that weren't too chicken to even come out and cheer them on, they could not all be arrested, and they could not all be jailed. Imagine 5,000 family members coming to downtown Charlottesville to the courthouse to raise hell and carry on.

    You just need more people that aren't afraid to speak up, that's all. It beats getting beat up and hoping it's all on camera for your grandchildren to see.

    You don’t seem to appreciate how terrified American elites are of anything that looks like it could turn into a right wing militia, and how quick they are to nip it in the bud. Ruby Ridge and Waco, obviously, but more recently, look what happened with Gavin McInnes and his “Proud Boys”, which he basically started as a joke and are a rainbow coalition of diversity.

    Gavin’s been deplatformed, and three of the SOBs who defended him from Antifa in New York last fall are going on trial this summer.

    One of those three guys, Kinsman, has a black wife and kid, and they’re still dropping the hammer on him. You think the powers that be would have gone easier on a bunch of Richard Spencer-following Chads?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You don’t seem to appreciate how terrified American elites are of anything that looks like it could turn into a right wing militia, and how quick they are to nip it in the bud.
     
    I'm pretty familiar with all this, Dave, especially the earlier bits such as the Waco Massacre of 70-odd men, women, and children*. I'm not sure how this is an argument against my comment though. I'll write more in reply to 95Theses.

    .

    * When David Koresh could have been arrested any other day at the post office or drug store.
  32. anon[819] • Disclaimer says:

    “The GOP lost California because of GOP globalizer open border types like Teddy Cruz. Teddy Cruz came close to losing to the Ritalin kid in Texas because of mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and Teddy Cruz still pushes the globalizer plot to flood out the USA with foreigners.”

    Ever wonder why that is? Well, I have the answer. I found it in an article on TAC. All American politicians and bureaucrats are merely temp employees for the federal government. They all expect use the cache and connections their job confers to leave for the private sector where they can get a multi-million dollar sinecure. They therefore aren’t going to rock the boat or go against their future employer’s interests. It’s incredible corruption. So much so that I doubt this country can be reformed before it falls; the entire government structure will have to be replaced in one fell swoop. Not going to happen. The ruling class is busy extracting wealth while they can so they can live comfortable lives in old age. They don’t care about your interests. They just want to get out while the getting is good.

    Article: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-the-regulators-went-soft-on-monopolies/

  33. Sid says:
    @Audacious Epigone
    In terms of 'optics', I mean. The persuasion effects are almost exclusively driven by perception. The percentages of people who dig any deeper is in the single-digits.

    Charlottesville is the most salient example. The alt-right was lawfully assembled, corralled into a gauntlet, set upon, and fought back. And nearly everyone in the country thinks Charlottesville was the alt-right attacking counter protesters and killing a woman. That retconning will never happen with Portland last weekend.

    The factors that caused the alt-right to rise haven’t gone away. (Of course, that’s not exactly a luminous endorsement of the Trump presidency!)

    There were strategic and tactical decisions that caused the alt-right to fall. Most notably, you can LARP or be ‘ironically’ pro-Nazi online, but you can’t in real life.

    As such, the alt-right is all but extinct as an organizing force. Its utility as a political activist platform is moribund. But I don’t know if anyone’s mind has changed.

    I call my political views “dis-right,” short for dissident, but at some point a new force will replace the alt-right and the placeholder can be dropped.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I've been writing about this stuff since 2005. I understand the sense of urgency. But there is no winning without getting people in power on side. Trump was a template for how aspiring pols can win without being marionettes of the Chamber of Commerce and Conservative, Inc. There are a lot of Trumpish--in both stated beliefs and in attitude--emulators out there now. That's a good thing.
  34. @Twinkie

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That’s sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.
     
    I’ve written this numerous times. The key to swaying public opinion is judiciously instigating one’s enemies, especially if they are the big and powerful, to overreact into being overly malicious and oppressive. It’s the classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy fighting against the strong that cannot be defeated in an open battlefield.

    Nazi LARPing might feel good in a psychologically masturbatory way, but all it inspires is a small coterie of malcontents while alienating the bulk of the public.

    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    You’re probably on solid legal grounds up until the last man (or woman) standing. Read on.

    Against a Mob: Surviving in the Street and in Court
    2018, January 24 | Schuyler P. Robertson

    … This case is important because it is cited in the book Warren: On Homicide, which is the definitive book on homicide law in the United States. A critical legal concept for self-defense in Warren is, “Where several are apparently preparing to join in an attack on defendant, his right of self-defense extends to each participant.” The concept was set as a precedent in State (WV) v. Foley.

    What this means for the law-abiding armed citizen is that, when faced with a violent mob whose words or actions indicate the participants intend on doing violence, each member of the mob shares the responsibility of the entirety of the mob and is equally and individually fair game for the defensive actions of the innocent defender. One important caveat in Warren is that, after the mob is whittled down to one member, any disparity of force caused by the number of attackers is gone.

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/mob-surviving-street-court/

    And affirmed in Massad Ayoob’s instructional video:

    Massad Ayoob “Judicious Use of Deadly Force”
    2015, May 13 | MrMuscleBilly

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j4PS_8R5IE#t=2610

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    1. I’ve taken Mas’s courses. He’s big on (legally) justified use of force and has his (mostly solid) take on it.

    2. In a situation like that, shooting all minus one is unnecessary. After bodies start dropping, most will run for cover or just run. Or just drop to the ground and freeze. Most untrained people are like cattle and fight like cattle - dangerous as a group, especially led by determined instigators, but liable to panic and disperse when they feel endangered. But if some are going to be irrational, they should be shot, because self-preservation (and preservation of loved ones) come first before legal considerations kick in.

    3. My rule of violent confrontation is “avoid-evade-escape-fight,” in that order of priority, unless I and others with me have decided to engage in offensive action for some extraordinary reason, in which extreme case, the said action would be sudden, decisive, overwhelming, and violent.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Massad Ayoob

     

    "Massad"?

    Mossad boob?
  35. The Alt Right is alive and well. We will win.

  36. @95Theses
    You’re probably on solid legal grounds up until the last man (or woman) standing. Read on.

    Against a Mob: Surviving in the Street and in Court
    2018, January 24 | Schuyler P. Robertson

    ... This case is important because it is cited in the book Warren: On Homicide, which is the definitive book on homicide law in the United States. A critical legal concept for self-defense in Warren is, “Where several are apparently preparing to join in an attack on defendant, his right of self-defense extends to each participant.” The concept was set as a precedent in State (WV) v. Foley.

    What this means for the law-abiding armed citizen is that, when faced with a violent mob whose words or actions indicate the participants intend on doing violence, each member of the mob shares the responsibility of the entirety of the mob and is equally and individually fair game for the defensive actions of the innocent defender. One important caveat in Warren is that, after the mob is whittled down to one member, any disparity of force caused by the number of attackers is gone.

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/mob-surviving-street-court/
     

    And affirmed in Massad Ayoob’s instructional video:

    Massad Ayoob "Judicious Use of Deadly Force"
    2015, May 13 | MrMuscleBilly

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j4PS_8R5IE#t=2610

    1. I’ve taken Mas’s courses. He’s big on (legally) justified use of force and has his (mostly solid) take on it.

    2. In a situation like that, shooting all minus one is unnecessary. After bodies start dropping, most will run for cover or just run. Or just drop to the ground and freeze. Most untrained people are like cattle and fight like cattle – dangerous as a group, especially led by determined instigators, but liable to panic and disperse when they feel endangered. But if some are going to be irrational, they should be shot, because self-preservation (and preservation of loved ones) come first before legal considerations kick in.

    3. My rule of violent confrontation is “avoid-evade-escape-fight,” in that order of priority, unless I and others with me have decided to engage in offensive action for some extraordinary reason, in which extreme case, the said action would be sudden, decisive, overwhelming, and violent.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    The question, of course, is how the police would respond. They'd be standing right there, waiting for something like this to happen.

    I have no doubt the disgusting Portland "police" Department would open fire on anyone defending themselves with deadly force against Anqueefa. They've probably received directives to that effect from the Anqueefa mayor.
    , @95Theses
    Okay, that’s good.

    Sorry if that came off sounding a little didactic, but I’m new here and very unfamiliar with the views or background knowledge of other commenters. On the other hand, who knows whether another reader is in need of the information. In any case, I mean only to help prevent anyone from doing something which will put them in legal hot water.

    I heartily agree with your earlier point regarding the course of action you take in dealing with crowds, the first being to simply avoid them. Always good advice no matter where blacks or Antifa happen to be – especially "peace rallies" and funerals.

    Of course, the entirety of your follow-up to my comment is good advice, too.

    Alas, I’ve yet to take a course with the Massad Ayoob Group. It’s on my Life List to do the next time he’s in the central Ohio area. In the meanwhile, the next best thing is studying his videos, reading his books, and keeping up with his blog over at Backwoods Home (https://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/). He and other firearm/self-defense authorities.

    Cheers.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    You really should have written this post. Pure sagacity here.
  37. That’s how Trump supporters were made to look like thuggish instigators with such frequency during the 2016 presidential campaign even though they were on the receiving end of a lot more violence than they delivered.

    And in the next election, Big Ad allied to Deep Content will even make doubly sure that the message is managed.

    Prevent “Trump Situation” in 2020

    Sardines at Facebook — soon Anthorax at Google (delivered by a “right-wing deviant who spies on college females in his spare time and has unprotected sex with swedish females” or something)

  38. @Audacious Epigone
    The most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that's why they're so rarely shown. The military futility, profligacy, etc convinces very few people.

    Muslim immigration is the most acceptable immigration to oppose because of Islamic terrorism.

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That's sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.

    Like I said, it matters who controls the megaphone, there is absolutely not a lack of dead children images due to Israel or the neocons, funny how one never sees them.

    If Gandhi was anti Israel then there is zero doubt how he would be portrayed now, hoping to play the victim is worse than useless, you are just playing a willing lamb to the slaughter with zero benefits.

  39. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way."

    Not a chance. The alt-right does not have a support network made up of billionaires and their NGO's. BLM and antifa have both been responsible for the deaths of many and yet they continue to exist and operate. I'm not sure how you can possibly equate the corroborated virility of the latter with the fragility of the former.

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    There isn't a single event or shred of evidence that suggests the heritage-minded US citizens can reverse the course via legislation or litigation.

    By the time Andy Ngo receives his settlement, countless new laws, regulations, ordinances and legal precedents will have been born furthering the restriction of freedoms of association, speech, finance, and maybe even movement.

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    Charlottesville is the most salient example. The alt-right was lawfully assembled, corralled into a gauntlet, set upon, and fought back. And nearly everyone in the country thinks Charlottesville was the alt-right attacking counter protesters and killing a woman.

    He has it down to the T.

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

    Of course, he is likely wrong about Portland.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    This is the sentence that I was referring to and quoted:

    The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right.
     
    You're a particular dishonest little cocksucker if you would take a reply that was a direct response to a referenced comment and then reassign it to a totally different comment (that wasn't even written in the body of the blog post.)
    , @Charles Pewitt

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

     

    I'll never understand why then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions didn't launch an investigation into Terry McAuliffe's activities and involvement in the Charlottesville matter.

    The ruling class of the American Empire must have directed McAuliffe's evil actions and then somehow forced Jeff Sessions to give him a pass.

    I wrote this in August of 2017 about McAuliffe and Charlottesville:

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe is a baby boomer scumbag who lied about the anti-White violence that happened at a pro-free speech event in Virginia. McAuliffe should be removed from office and sent to prison for his role in the Charlottesville riot. McAuliffe did everything in his power to give license to the anti-free speech thugs who attacked decent Americans who only wanted to defend the honor of Robert E. Lee and promote free speech.

    This baby boomer dirtbag McAuliffe is well known as a foul rat who scurried around the globe grabbing money for the Clinton Organized Crime Family. McAuliffe is the villain in all the events that transpired in Virginia. Attorney General Jeff Sessions should open up a broad investigation into the evil activities of McAuliffe in Virginia.
  40. @Twinkie

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That’s sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.
     
    I’ve written this numerous times. The key to swaying public opinion is judiciously instigating one’s enemies, especially if they are the big and powerful, to overreact into being overly malicious and oppressive. It’s the classic insurgent/guerrilla strategy fighting against the strong that cannot be defeated in an open battlefield.

    Nazi LARPing might feel good in a psychologically masturbatory way, but all it inspires is a small coterie of malcontents while alienating the bulk of the public.

    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Agree.

    Keep this up and you’ll have to change your handle to Twinkie-Gandhi.

  41. @iffen

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    Charlottesville is the most salient example. The alt-right was lawfully assembled, corralled into a gauntlet, set upon, and fought back. And nearly everyone in the country thinks Charlottesville was the alt-right attacking counter protesters and killing a woman.
     

    He has it down to the T.

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

    Of course, he is likely wrong about Portland.

    This is the sentence that I was referring to and quoted:

    The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right.

    You’re a particular dishonest little cocksucker if you would take a reply that was a direct response to a referenced comment and then reassign it to a totally different comment (that wasn’t even written in the body of the blog post.)

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    This isn't an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which--myself included, obviously--had nothing to do with the event.
    , @iffen
    You’re a particular dishonest little cocksucker

    Time out.

    I'm the most honest cocksucker that you have ever interacted with.

    I don't see your quibble. He said it was a disaster and I agreed.

    I think it is over your head, Mikey.
  42. The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

    BINGO!

    I wrote this in May of 2019 about Terry McAuliffe and Charlottesville:

    The Pewitt for President campaign will suggest quite strongly that baby boomer shyster rat Terry McAuliffe and the Democrat Party and the ruling class rats of the city of Charlottesville deliberately created a situation whereby lives were lost and much riotous behaviour ensued.

    Furthermore, many of us peasants finally saw that the so-called Antifa are Bolshevik thug enforcers of anti-White multiculturalism and globalization and financialization. Rancid plutocrats who want to attack and destroy White middle class people and White working class people are using these so-called Antifa Bolshevik enforcers as weapons to kill free speech and democracy in the USA.

    Evil scum such as rat boy Clinton Organized Crime Syndicate money fixer Terry McAuliffe, who is a corrupt rat for the ruling class, made sure that mayhem interfered with decent and honorable Americans who wanted to publicly praise and protect the blessed memory of their ancestors. Some good citizens went to Charlottesville to protect free speech and lawful assembly as well, but Terry McAuliffe and the ruling class rats attacked and targeted honest citizens by setting the Antifa Bolshevik thugs upon them.

    I hereby challenge that baby boomer dirtbag Terry McAuliffe to a debate on free speech, the Charlottesville attack on free speech, mass legal immigration, illegal immigration and the right and duty of good Americans to fight against evil scum such as Terry McAuliffe who use sneaky and evil ways to attack the middle class and working class.

    God Bless America!

    God Bless Thomas Jefferson!

    God Bless Confederate And Union Memorials And Statues And The Memory Of Those So Sanctified!

    God Bless Monticello!

    And To Hell With Rat Boy Thug Terry McAuliffe And The Charlottesville Ruling Class Rats Who Created All The Rioting And Mayhem In Charlottesville!

  43. @iffen

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    Charlottesville is the most salient example. The alt-right was lawfully assembled, corralled into a gauntlet, set upon, and fought back. And nearly everyone in the country thinks Charlottesville was the alt-right attacking counter protesters and killing a woman.
     

    He has it down to the T.

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

    Of course, he is likely wrong about Portland.

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

    I’ll never understand why then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions didn’t launch an investigation into Terry McAuliffe’s activities and involvement in the Charlottesville matter.

    The ruling class of the American Empire must have directed McAuliffe’s evil actions and then somehow forced Jeff Sessions to give him a pass.

    I wrote this in August of 2017 about McAuliffe and Charlottesville:

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe is a baby boomer scumbag who lied about the anti-White violence that happened at a pro-free speech event in Virginia. McAuliffe should be removed from office and sent to prison for his role in the Charlottesville riot. McAuliffe did everything in his power to give license to the anti-free speech thugs who attacked decent Americans who only wanted to defend the honor of Robert E. Lee and promote free speech.

    This baby boomer dirtbag McAuliffe is well known as a foul rat who scurried around the globe grabbing money for the Clinton Organized Crime Family. McAuliffe is the villain in all the events that transpired in Virginia. Attorney General Jeff Sessions should open up a broad investigation into the evil activities of McAuliffe in Virginia.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "somehow forced Jeff Sessions to give him a pass."

    Nobody would have had to force Granny Sessions to give him a pass. Sessions has been a government tit addict since he got out of law school. Whatever allowed him to keep his federal paycheck is what he would do.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The most obvious reason no investigation was launched is because a member of antifa died.

    The reason I'm so emphatic about this is because I've asked a lot of people who are casually politically aware about the alt-right. Many were interested in it until Charlottesville. Since then it has basically become synonymous with "nazi" or "white supremacist".
    , @iffen
    I’ll never understand why then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions didn’t launch an investigation into Terry McAuliffe’s activities and involvement in the Charlottesville matter.

    I put this on Trump. He never supported Jeff.

  44. @Twinkie
    1. I’ve taken Mas’s courses. He’s big on (legally) justified use of force and has his (mostly solid) take on it.

    2. In a situation like that, shooting all minus one is unnecessary. After bodies start dropping, most will run for cover or just run. Or just drop to the ground and freeze. Most untrained people are like cattle and fight like cattle - dangerous as a group, especially led by determined instigators, but liable to panic and disperse when they feel endangered. But if some are going to be irrational, they should be shot, because self-preservation (and preservation of loved ones) come first before legal considerations kick in.

    3. My rule of violent confrontation is “avoid-evade-escape-fight,” in that order of priority, unless I and others with me have decided to engage in offensive action for some extraordinary reason, in which extreme case, the said action would be sudden, decisive, overwhelming, and violent.

    The question, of course, is how the police would respond. They’d be standing right there, waiting for something like this to happen.

    I have no doubt the disgusting Portland “police” Department would open fire on anyone defending themselves with deadly force against Anqueefa. They’ve probably received directives to that effect from the Anqueefa mayor.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    If you've not heard of him, Michael Strickland is another Portland freelance journalist who has experienced Close Encounters of the Turd Kind with AntiFa – a broken arm in two places, including a week or two in the hospital – and naturally the Portland police did precious little in his defense.

    And he gives a discussion of experiences at over frontpagemag.com, and on YouTube. Talk about disheartening:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272426/escape-portland-daniel-greenfield#comment-4274302893

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7xpS3xukOc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8tIjx4s7vY
    , @Audacious Epigone
    And now we have a US senator calling on the FBI to investigate. That is a good thing. Look, if the city of Portland gets hit with a big settlement for this--Ngo alerted the city beforehand that he had received physical threats--other cities will become far less willing to accommodate left-wing mobs in the future.
  45. martyrdom works indeed
    specially in the big sister age.
    although those who are not martyred, better sell their cloaks and get a sword,
    -or a whip for them moneychangers at least.

    (just so our numbers don’t eventually thin out too much)

  46. @Charles Pewitt

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

     

    I'll never understand why then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions didn't launch an investigation into Terry McAuliffe's activities and involvement in the Charlottesville matter.

    The ruling class of the American Empire must have directed McAuliffe's evil actions and then somehow forced Jeff Sessions to give him a pass.

    I wrote this in August of 2017 about McAuliffe and Charlottesville:

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe is a baby boomer scumbag who lied about the anti-White violence that happened at a pro-free speech event in Virginia. McAuliffe should be removed from office and sent to prison for his role in the Charlottesville riot. McAuliffe did everything in his power to give license to the anti-free speech thugs who attacked decent Americans who only wanted to defend the honor of Robert E. Lee and promote free speech.

    This baby boomer dirtbag McAuliffe is well known as a foul rat who scurried around the globe grabbing money for the Clinton Organized Crime Family. McAuliffe is the villain in all the events that transpired in Virginia. Attorney General Jeff Sessions should open up a broad investigation into the evil activities of McAuliffe in Virginia.

    “somehow forced Jeff Sessions to give him a pass.”

    Nobody would have had to force Granny Sessions to give him a pass. Sessions has been a government tit addict since he got out of law school. Whatever allowed him to keep his federal paycheck is what he would do.

  47. Well, yeah. Except for this:

    Antifa’s end will come about in the same way.

    Antifa is allied with the ruling class. The Alt-right is not.

  48. The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way.

    This statement is a half truth.
    The death was caused by the driver being attacked, and accelerating his vehicle to escape. He wasn’t engaged in violence, the attack upon him resulted in the death of a third party. The problem is, he faced a rigged system. The city directed the police, who arrested him, to ensure that he could be attacked. The media had him convicted before he was arraigned. The judiciary was politicized. The external report condemning the Mayor and Police Chief ought to have been allowed as evidence of political corruption and violence against the driver for failure to protect him. The driver was the greatest sacrificial lamb. Other “alt-right” defendants were equally dispossessed of rights and hung out to dry, while Antifa thugs walked free. The political corruption of the legal system will continue, until the globalist police state is achieved.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  49. @Twinkie
    1. I’ve taken Mas’s courses. He’s big on (legally) justified use of force and has his (mostly solid) take on it.

    2. In a situation like that, shooting all minus one is unnecessary. After bodies start dropping, most will run for cover or just run. Or just drop to the ground and freeze. Most untrained people are like cattle and fight like cattle - dangerous as a group, especially led by determined instigators, but liable to panic and disperse when they feel endangered. But if some are going to be irrational, they should be shot, because self-preservation (and preservation of loved ones) come first before legal considerations kick in.

    3. My rule of violent confrontation is “avoid-evade-escape-fight,” in that order of priority, unless I and others with me have decided to engage in offensive action for some extraordinary reason, in which extreme case, the said action would be sudden, decisive, overwhelming, and violent.

    Okay, that’s good.

    Sorry if that came off sounding a little didactic, but I’m new here and very unfamiliar with the views or background knowledge of other commenters. On the other hand, who knows whether another reader is in need of the information. In any case, I mean only to help prevent anyone from doing something which will put them in legal hot water.

    I heartily agree with your earlier point regarding the course of action you take in dealing with crowds, the first being to simply avoid them. Always good advice no matter where blacks or Antifa happen to be – especially “peace rallies” and funerals.

    Of course, the entirety of your follow-up to my comment is good advice, too.

    Alas, I’ve yet to take a course with the Massad Ayoob Group. It’s on my Life List to do the next time he’s in the central Ohio area. In the meanwhile, the next best thing is studying his videos, reading his books, and keeping up with his blog over at Backwoods Home (https://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/). He and other firearm/self-defense authorities.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Sorry if that came off sounding a little didactic, but I’m new here and very unfamiliar with the views or background knowledge of other commenters.
     
    No need to apologize. Mas Ayoob is a leading civilian authority on self-defense involving firearms. You are only helping people here by linking to his information.

    Ohio
     
    I like John Farnam’s training for civilians, esp. with long guns (carbine, rifle, shotgun). He travels to OH occasionally. Check it out. http://defense-training.com/
  50. @Bragadocious
    The question, of course, is how the police would respond. They'd be standing right there, waiting for something like this to happen.

    I have no doubt the disgusting Portland "police" Department would open fire on anyone defending themselves with deadly force against Anqueefa. They've probably received directives to that effect from the Anqueefa mayor.

    If you’ve not heard of him, Michael Strickland is another Portland freelance journalist who has experienced Close Encounters of the Turd Kind with AntiFa – a broken arm in two places, including a week or two in the hospital – and naturally the Portland police did precious little in his defense.

    And he gives a discussion of experiences at over frontpagemag.com, and on YouTube. Talk about disheartening:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272426/escape-portland-daniel-greenfield#comment-4274302893

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Strickland is a great contrast to Ngo and the two incidents prove my underlying point spectacularly well--Strickland justifiably defended himself and was buried for his efforts. Ngo took it on the chin (and everywhere else) and now he's a hero and quite possibly a future millionaire.

    Again, if you feel compelled to go to street protests--something I recommend against, parenthetically, though what I think doesn't matter--you must be willing to take a beating or there's an increasingly good chance your life will be ruined. This is not something to be taken lightly. There are men whose options in life have been drastically narrowed on account of being caught on camera in Charlottesville.
  51. @Audacious Epigone
    The most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that's why they're so rarely shown. The military futility, profligacy, etc convinces very few people.

    Muslim immigration is the most acceptable immigration to oppose because of Islamic terrorism.

    Ngo went from 170k followers to 210k in two days. That's sympathy. LARPing in the streets is really stupid.

    “the most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that’s why they’re so rarely shown”

    But if pictures of dead children can be used as arguments for open borders, show them again and again!

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    That's exactly what our enemies do and it's why they win. Complaining that the deck is stacked in their favor doesn't change the fact that to beat them you have to play the game well. Indeed, you have to play it even better than they do.
  52. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right. Antifa’s end will come about in the same way."

    Not a chance. The alt-right does not have a support network made up of billionaires and their NGO's. BLM and antifa have both been responsible for the deaths of many and yet they continue to exist and operate. I'm not sure how you can possibly equate the corroborated virility of the latter with the fragility of the former.

    By the way, while the UtR 2017 demonstration was ill advised to say the least, your revisionist and appallingly simplistic summary of events is disappointing.

    There isn't a single event or shred of evidence that suggests the heritage-minded US citizens can reverse the course via legislation or litigation.

    By the time Andy Ngo receives his settlement, countless new laws, regulations, ordinances and legal precedents will have been born furthering the restriction of freedoms of association, speech, finance, and maybe even movement.

    To clarify, I don’t mean the activities of antifa will end, just that the embrace of the term and of the specific demarcations will. BLM is a shell of what it was five years ago. So is the alt-right.

  53. @Sid
    The factors that caused the alt-right to rise haven't gone away. (Of course, that's not exactly a luminous endorsement of the Trump presidency!)

    There were strategic and tactical decisions that caused the alt-right to fall. Most notably, you can LARP or be 'ironically' pro-Nazi online, but you can't in real life.

    As such, the alt-right is all but extinct as an organizing force. Its utility as a political activist platform is moribund. But I don't know if anyone's mind has changed.

    I call my political views "dis-right," short for dissident, but at some point a new force will replace the alt-right and the placeholder can be dropped.

    I’ve been writing about this stuff since 2005. I understand the sense of urgency. But there is no winning without getting people in power on side. Trump was a template for how aspiring pols can win without being marionettes of the Chamber of Commerce and Conservative, Inc. There are a lot of Trumpish–in both stated beliefs and in attitude–emulators out there now. That’s a good thing.

  54. @Twinkie
    1. I’ve taken Mas’s courses. He’s big on (legally) justified use of force and has his (mostly solid) take on it.

    2. In a situation like that, shooting all minus one is unnecessary. After bodies start dropping, most will run for cover or just run. Or just drop to the ground and freeze. Most untrained people are like cattle and fight like cattle - dangerous as a group, especially led by determined instigators, but liable to panic and disperse when they feel endangered. But if some are going to be irrational, they should be shot, because self-preservation (and preservation of loved ones) come first before legal considerations kick in.

    3. My rule of violent confrontation is “avoid-evade-escape-fight,” in that order of priority, unless I and others with me have decided to engage in offensive action for some extraordinary reason, in which extreme case, the said action would be sudden, decisive, overwhelming, and violent.

    You really should have written this post. Pure sagacity here.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Thank you.
  55. @MikeatMikedotMike
    This is the sentence that I was referring to and quoted:

    The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right.
     
    You're a particular dishonest little cocksucker if you would take a reply that was a direct response to a referenced comment and then reassign it to a totally different comment (that wasn't even written in the body of the blog post.)

    This isn’t an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which–myself included, obviously–had nothing to do with the event.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Biden dwelled on the Charlottesville events in his campaign launch. Biden must think that the corporate media's propaganda on Charlottesville will keep voters on the side of Democrats.

    The Charlottesville Alt-Right free speech rally to protect the monuments and statues and memorials of the historic American nation was a needed show of spirit by White Core America.

    Kamala Harris cracked Biden over the skull with the forced busing rhetoric at the Democrat Party debate like some Antifa thug cracking somebody over the head with a crowbar and she jumped in the polls.

    Kamala Harris thinks White Democrat voters who move out to mostly White towns, like Hillary Clinton moving out to mostly White Chappaqua, New York, will support her political message of forced school integration by busing students all over the place.

    Charlottesville has just added fuel to the anti-White rhetorical accelerationist fire emanating from the Democrat Party.

    Middle American Radicals

    Alt-Right

    White Core America

    The GOP Goes Explicit White Identity Politics Or It Goes Dodo Bird Extinct
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "This isn’t an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. "

    Ok so you were summarizing the optics of it, fair enough. But I didn't read it that way.

    "At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which–myself included, obviously–had nothing to do with the event."

    I have conceded as much. That's were things like media and political support weight in. They can make one ambiguous death look like a genocide and simultaneously make 5 cops shot in Dallas look like a series of unfortunate events. The UtR guys could have each committed ritualistic suicide and they still would have been given posthumous citations for loitering.

    The infuriating thing about the UtR debacle is the armchair quarterbacking after the fact. All these "dissident" pundits doing exactly what they criticize mainstream conservatives of doing: punching right. And all of them are short on solutions too, other than "run and hide" and or maybe we'll win a lawsuit or something. If that's all we got then it's pathetic.

    But let me ask you - had the UtR been allowed to have their demonstration without incident, what would have been the implications of that outcome? I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?
    , @notanon

    Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right
     
    Cville lead to the media and Dem politicians giving carte blanche to antifa which lead to them jumping the shark.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right,
     
    The unmitigated disaster was the intended effect of people like the phony white nationalist Andrew Anglin, who helped to astroturf UtR into existence. To echo your comment, it's hard for me to know what to say to people who would ever think this rally would have been a good idea.

    Even without the violence and mishaps, it still would have been a PR flop. Like it or not, the impression made by chanting militia members waving Confederate flags and AR-15s just isn't a good one. You don't win converts to a controversial cause by emulating Hollywood's worst caricatures of it, and ostensibly media-savvy people like Anglin and Spencer would have known (did know) exactly how this would play to the larger audience. You wouldn't just hand your enemy ammunition like that if you weren't trying to get shot.

    Protesting is always a bad idea if you're on the Right. The protest is not some neutral tool that can be profitably employed by Left and Right alike; the protest is Leftism in its mobilized form. It is not something that a real conservative should have anything to do with. Our choice is between peaceful self-sacrifice along with writing, educating, and setting a better example on the one hand, and actual military force on the other, with the latter not being feasible at the moment. The protest occupies an undefined middle ground between these two. It is the asymmetrical warfare of Gamscian destroyers.
  56. @Charles Pewitt

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

     

    I'll never understand why then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions didn't launch an investigation into Terry McAuliffe's activities and involvement in the Charlottesville matter.

    The ruling class of the American Empire must have directed McAuliffe's evil actions and then somehow forced Jeff Sessions to give him a pass.

    I wrote this in August of 2017 about McAuliffe and Charlottesville:

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe is a baby boomer scumbag who lied about the anti-White violence that happened at a pro-free speech event in Virginia. McAuliffe should be removed from office and sent to prison for his role in the Charlottesville riot. McAuliffe did everything in his power to give license to the anti-free speech thugs who attacked decent Americans who only wanted to defend the honor of Robert E. Lee and promote free speech.

    This baby boomer dirtbag McAuliffe is well known as a foul rat who scurried around the globe grabbing money for the Clinton Organized Crime Family. McAuliffe is the villain in all the events that transpired in Virginia. Attorney General Jeff Sessions should open up a broad investigation into the evil activities of McAuliffe in Virginia.

    The most obvious reason no investigation was launched is because a member of antifa died.

    The reason I’m so emphatic about this is because I’ve asked a lot of people who are casually politically aware about the alt-right. Many were interested in it until Charlottesville. Since then it has basically become synonymous with “nazi” or “white supremacist”.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    The reason I’m so emphatic about this is because I’ve asked a lot of people who are casually politically aware about the alt-right. Many were interested in it until Charlottesville. Since then it has basically become synonymous with “nazi” or “white supremacist”.

     

    I prefer Sam Francis's and Donald Warren's Middle American Radicals to using the Alt-Right, but I figure go for the gusto, skip over MARs and Alt-Right, and use White.

    I like to use White Core America or the European Christian Ancestral Core of the USA.

    Sam Huntington went full bore New England East Anglian and he called the USA a British Protestant settler state.

    White people understand that they are under attack as Whites, so appealing to them politically as Whites in explicit terms seem like a no-brainer.

    The 10 year Treasury yield is under 2 percent and there are at least 12 trillion dollars worth of negative yielding bonds in the world. A global asset bubble implosion is on its way and Whites will be highly receptive to an explicit pro-White message when the money goes and the money that remains has lost massive amounts of its purchasing power.

    David Byrne sang about something or other after the money's gone? The money don't got to go anywhere, it just has to lose most of its purchasing power.
  57. @Bragadocious
    The question, of course, is how the police would respond. They'd be standing right there, waiting for something like this to happen.

    I have no doubt the disgusting Portland "police" Department would open fire on anyone defending themselves with deadly force against Anqueefa. They've probably received directives to that effect from the Anqueefa mayor.

    And now we have a US senator calling on the FBI to investigate. That is a good thing. Look, if the city of Portland gets hit with a big settlement for this–Ngo alerted the city beforehand that he had received physical threats–other cities will become far less willing to accommodate left-wing mobs in the future.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    And now we have a US senator calling on the FBI to investigate.

    He can call all he wants for the FBI to investigate but I don't think that it will yield any action.

    The FBI is converged, who do you think works for the FBI today. Yeah, they will undertake and investigation as thorough and fruitful as the one that revealed the truth about Hillary's emails. If there is an investigation they follow up will find 1) no evidence of crime/civil rights violation or 2) can't find the suspects anyway. Out of luck chumps.

    Right-wingers are hated by the deep state. They will not uphold/protect our rights.
  58. @Audacious Epigone
    This isn't an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which--myself included, obviously--had nothing to do with the event.

    Biden dwelled on the Charlottesville events in his campaign launch. Biden must think that the corporate media’s propaganda on Charlottesville will keep voters on the side of Democrats.

    The Charlottesville Alt-Right free speech rally to protect the monuments and statues and memorials of the historic American nation was a needed show of spirit by White Core America.

    Kamala Harris cracked Biden over the skull with the forced busing rhetoric at the Democrat Party debate like some Antifa thug cracking somebody over the head with a crowbar and she jumped in the polls.

    Kamala Harris thinks White Democrat voters who move out to mostly White towns, like Hillary Clinton moving out to mostly White Chappaqua, New York, will support her political message of forced school integration by busing students all over the place.

    Charlottesville has just added fuel to the anti-White rhetorical accelerationist fire emanating from the Democrat Party.

    Middle American Radicals

    Alt-Right

    White Core America

    The GOP Goes Explicit White Identity Politics Or It Goes Dodo Bird Extinct

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    It's a separate but related issue, white identity politics. And who is better for bringing them about, Biden or Harris? Rhetorical, of course.
  59. @Audacious Epigone
    This isn't an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which--myself included, obviously--had nothing to do with the event.

    “This isn’t an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. ”

    Ok so you were summarizing the optics of it, fair enough. But I didn’t read it that way.

    “At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which–myself included, obviously–had nothing to do with the event.”

    I have conceded as much. That’s were things like media and political support weight in. They can make one ambiguous death look like a genocide and simultaneously make 5 cops shot in Dallas look like a series of unfortunate events. The UtR guys could have each committed ritualistic suicide and they still would have been given posthumous citations for loitering.

    The infuriating thing about the UtR debacle is the armchair quarterbacking after the fact. All these “dissident” pundits doing exactly what they criticize mainstream conservatives of doing: punching right. And all of them are short on solutions too, other than “run and hide” and or maybe we’ll win a lawsuit or something. If that’s all we got then it’s pathetic.

    But let me ask you – had the UtR been allowed to have their demonstration without incident, what would have been the implications of that outcome? I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?

    • Replies: @iffen
    I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?

    "They" are much smarter than they.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The Unite the Right event that killed the alt right was the second Charlottesville gathering. The first one is mostly forgotten because it went off without incident.

    Fair point regarding punching right. That's not my intention (one of the many reasons I don't mention names when I talk about Charlottesville, for example). But it is a big learning opportunity.

    Additionally, going into exceptionally hostile territory--Berkeley and Charlottesville are leftist college towns--is reckless. Have these events in a second-tier midwestern city that votes Republican. No, the local powers that be are not going to be your friend, but they're going to be a lot less hostile than hard leftist mayors and hard leftists police chiefs are.
  60. @Audacious Epigone
    The most obvious reason no investigation was launched is because a member of antifa died.

    The reason I'm so emphatic about this is because I've asked a lot of people who are casually politically aware about the alt-right. Many were interested in it until Charlottesville. Since then it has basically become synonymous with "nazi" or "white supremacist".

    The reason I’m so emphatic about this is because I’ve asked a lot of people who are casually politically aware about the alt-right. Many were interested in it until Charlottesville. Since then it has basically become synonymous with “nazi” or “white supremacist”.

    I prefer Sam Francis’s and Donald Warren’s Middle American Radicals to using the Alt-Right, but I figure go for the gusto, skip over MARs and Alt-Right, and use White.

    I like to use White Core America or the European Christian Ancestral Core of the USA.

    Sam Huntington went full bore New England East Anglian and he called the USA a British Protestant settler state.

    White people understand that they are under attack as Whites, so appealing to them politically as Whites in explicit terms seem like a no-brainer.

    The 10 year Treasury yield is under 2 percent and there are at least 12 trillion dollars worth of negative yielding bonds in the world. A global asset bubble implosion is on its way and Whites will be highly receptive to an explicit pro-White message when the money goes and the money that remains has lost massive amounts of its purchasing power.

    David Byrne sang about something or other after the money’s gone? The money don’t got to go anywhere, it just has to lose most of its purchasing power.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    David Byrne sang about something or other after the money’s gone?
     
    He did, Charles, from Once in a Lifetime, but this other song goes more along the lines of what you, I, and I believe our host A.E. see coming:''

    "This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLwZvg46jms


    For another prepper song, one can't go wrong with some Corb Lund (out of Alberta, Canada):

    "The truck don't run, the bread don't come, have a hard time findin' the petrol.
    Water ain't runnin' in the city no more, do you hold those precious metals?"


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uASQgLwaIs
  61. Joe Biden spouted off about Charlottesville in his campaign launch.

    Kamala Harris rhetorically popped Biden over his hair-plugged head on Biden’s past actions to resist forced busing to racially integrate schools.

    Trump has called for the USA to be flooded with mass legal immigration “in the largest numbers ever.”

    Trump refuses to deport the 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    White Core America has no political representation whatsoever in the USA.

    The lack of political representation for White Core America is creating a volatile political atmosphere in the United States. The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire is about to be toppled from power.

  62. For those who feel compelled to attend public protests and rallies, there are a hundred ways things can go wrong and only one way things can go right.

    And then some chats about that bad word starting with ‘v’.
    Some opinions, scenarios, suggestions etc. Nice…nice.

    How about this:
    A rally of, say, around 20 000 “Progs” protesting, let’s say……whatever. Doesn’t matter, really. Visualize that.
    You (the reader) are a passer by, just briefly watching the procession before going with your business.
    CRACK (could be some other sound instead, but we can’t get too technical here for obvious reasons) and one of leading figures just drops.
    Now what?!

    Thoughts, ideas, suggestions…..opinions?
    Or…hehe….let’s just move on?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    One thing that happens fairly quickly: The hosting company shutters UR, but only after turning all uploaded information--IP addresses, cookies, etc--to the feds.
    , @iffen
    Agent provocateurs and cannon fodder are not new concepts.

    Just in case you were over awed by your insights.
  63. @Charles Pewitt

    The reason I’m so emphatic about this is because I’ve asked a lot of people who are casually politically aware about the alt-right. Many were interested in it until Charlottesville. Since then it has basically become synonymous with “nazi” or “white supremacist”.

     

    I prefer Sam Francis's and Donald Warren's Middle American Radicals to using the Alt-Right, but I figure go for the gusto, skip over MARs and Alt-Right, and use White.

    I like to use White Core America or the European Christian Ancestral Core of the USA.

    Sam Huntington went full bore New England East Anglian and he called the USA a British Protestant settler state.

    White people understand that they are under attack as Whites, so appealing to them politically as Whites in explicit terms seem like a no-brainer.

    The 10 year Treasury yield is under 2 percent and there are at least 12 trillion dollars worth of negative yielding bonds in the world. A global asset bubble implosion is on its way and Whites will be highly receptive to an explicit pro-White message when the money goes and the money that remains has lost massive amounts of its purchasing power.

    David Byrne sang about something or other after the money's gone? The money don't got to go anywhere, it just has to lose most of its purchasing power.

    David Byrne sang about something or other after the money’s gone?

    He did, Charles, from Once in a Lifetime, but this other song goes more along the lines of what you, I, and I believe our host A.E. see coming:”

    “This ain’t no party. This ain’t no disco. This ain’t no foolin’ around.”

    For another prepper song, one can’t go wrong with some Corb Lund (out of Alberta, Canada):

    “The truck don’t run, the bread don’t come, have a hard time findin’ the petrol.
    Water ain’t runnin’ in the city no more, do you hold those precious metals?”

  64. Soros’ goons have been assaulting their enemies with impunity for years. This will change nothing.

  65. @Audacious Epigone
    This isn't an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which--myself included, obviously--had nothing to do with the event.

    Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right

    Cville lead to the media and Dem politicians giving carte blanche to antifa which lead to them jumping the shark.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Fair.
  66. @Audacious Epigone
    This isn't an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which--myself included, obviously--had nothing to do with the event.

    At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right,

    The unmitigated disaster was the intended effect of people like the phony white nationalist Andrew Anglin, who helped to astroturf UtR into existence. To echo your comment, it’s hard for me to know what to say to people who would ever think this rally would have been a good idea.

    Even without the violence and mishaps, it still would have been a PR flop. Like it or not, the impression made by chanting militia members waving Confederate flags and AR-15s just isn’t a good one. You don’t win converts to a controversial cause by emulating Hollywood’s worst caricatures of it, and ostensibly media-savvy people like Anglin and Spencer would have known (did know) exactly how this would play to the larger audience. You wouldn’t just hand your enemy ammunition like that if you weren’t trying to get shot.

    Protesting is always a bad idea if you’re on the Right. The protest is not some neutral tool that can be profitably employed by Left and Right alike; the protest is Leftism in its mobilized form. It is not something that a real conservative should have anything to do with. Our choice is between peaceful self-sacrifice along with writing, educating, and setting a better example on the one hand, and actual military force on the other, with the latter not being feasible at the moment. The protest occupies an undefined middle ground between these two. It is the asymmetrical warfare of Gamscian destroyers.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Protesting is always a bad idea if you’re on the Right. The protest is not some neutral tool that can be profitably employed by Left and Right alike; the protest is Leftism in its mobilized form. It is not something that a real conservative should have anything to do with.
     
    I disagree. The right tends to be poor at street theater, but it doesn’t have to be. And for a true conservative, yes, mass politics is distasteful to say the least. But where success is possible, the ground shouldn’t be conceded so readily.

    I’ll give you an example. The National Organization for Marriage staged a series of rallies in support of normal marriage. It attracted wholesome crowds - middle class husbands, wives, grandparents, and children... babies too. The homosexual lobby showed up to counter-protest and made asses of themselves, even being recorded screaming “You better watch out. We are going to take your kids away!”

    NOM also mobilized a big tent, esp. in CA - conservatives, Mormons, black Christians, etc. and was able to defeat homosexual marriage even in CA. It won the popular mandate for its view. Of course, the left then simply ignored the will of the people and jammed its agenda through via judicial activism, but it was defeated on the street and ballot box.

    That can be replicated. And the composition of SCOTUS is different now.
    , @AaronB
    I don't know if I agree, but this is a subtle and interesting comment.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    For those outside of power culturally, there are no benefits to be had from engaging in half-measures with regards to violence. I very much hope there is a non-violent way out of this. That hope gets a little dimmer by the day, but while there is still hope, words over swords.
  67. @95Theses
    Okay, that’s good.

    Sorry if that came off sounding a little didactic, but I’m new here and very unfamiliar with the views or background knowledge of other commenters. On the other hand, who knows whether another reader is in need of the information. In any case, I mean only to help prevent anyone from doing something which will put them in legal hot water.

    I heartily agree with your earlier point regarding the course of action you take in dealing with crowds, the first being to simply avoid them. Always good advice no matter where blacks or Antifa happen to be – especially "peace rallies" and funerals.

    Of course, the entirety of your follow-up to my comment is good advice, too.

    Alas, I’ve yet to take a course with the Massad Ayoob Group. It’s on my Life List to do the next time he’s in the central Ohio area. In the meanwhile, the next best thing is studying his videos, reading his books, and keeping up with his blog over at Backwoods Home (https://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/). He and other firearm/self-defense authorities.

    Cheers.

    Sorry if that came off sounding a little didactic, but I’m new here and very unfamiliar with the views or background knowledge of other commenters.

    No need to apologize. Mas Ayoob is a leading civilian authority on self-defense involving firearms. You are only helping people here by linking to his information.

    Ohio

    I like John Farnam’s training for civilians, esp. with long guns (carbine, rifle, shotgun). He travels to OH occasionally. Check it out. http://defense-training.com/

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Thank you for that. I will be looking into Farnam's training schedule.
  68. @Intelligent Dasein

    At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right,
     
    The unmitigated disaster was the intended effect of people like the phony white nationalist Andrew Anglin, who helped to astroturf UtR into existence. To echo your comment, it's hard for me to know what to say to people who would ever think this rally would have been a good idea.

    Even without the violence and mishaps, it still would have been a PR flop. Like it or not, the impression made by chanting militia members waving Confederate flags and AR-15s just isn't a good one. You don't win converts to a controversial cause by emulating Hollywood's worst caricatures of it, and ostensibly media-savvy people like Anglin and Spencer would have known (did know) exactly how this would play to the larger audience. You wouldn't just hand your enemy ammunition like that if you weren't trying to get shot.

    Protesting is always a bad idea if you're on the Right. The protest is not some neutral tool that can be profitably employed by Left and Right alike; the protest is Leftism in its mobilized form. It is not something that a real conservative should have anything to do with. Our choice is between peaceful self-sacrifice along with writing, educating, and setting a better example on the one hand, and actual military force on the other, with the latter not being feasible at the moment. The protest occupies an undefined middle ground between these two. It is the asymmetrical warfare of Gamscian destroyers.

    Protesting is always a bad idea if you’re on the Right. The protest is not some neutral tool that can be profitably employed by Left and Right alike; the protest is Leftism in its mobilized form. It is not something that a real conservative should have anything to do with.

    I disagree. The right tends to be poor at street theater, but it doesn’t have to be. And for a true conservative, yes, mass politics is distasteful to say the least. But where success is possible, the ground shouldn’t be conceded so readily.

    I’ll give you an example. The National Organization for Marriage staged a series of rallies in support of normal marriage. It attracted wholesome crowds – middle class husbands, wives, grandparents, and children… babies too. The homosexual lobby showed up to counter-protest and made asses of themselves, even being recorded screaming “You better watch out. We are going to take your kids away!”

    NOM also mobilized a big tent, esp. in CA – conservatives, Mormons, black Christians, etc. and was able to defeat homosexual marriage even in CA. It won the popular mandate for its view. Of course, the left then simply ignored the will of the people and jammed its agenda through via judicial activism, but it was defeated on the street and ballot box.

    That can be replicated. And the composition of SCOTUS is different now.

  69. @Intelligent Dasein

    At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right,
     
    The unmitigated disaster was the intended effect of people like the phony white nationalist Andrew Anglin, who helped to astroturf UtR into existence. To echo your comment, it's hard for me to know what to say to people who would ever think this rally would have been a good idea.

    Even without the violence and mishaps, it still would have been a PR flop. Like it or not, the impression made by chanting militia members waving Confederate flags and AR-15s just isn't a good one. You don't win converts to a controversial cause by emulating Hollywood's worst caricatures of it, and ostensibly media-savvy people like Anglin and Spencer would have known (did know) exactly how this would play to the larger audience. You wouldn't just hand your enemy ammunition like that if you weren't trying to get shot.

    Protesting is always a bad idea if you're on the Right. The protest is not some neutral tool that can be profitably employed by Left and Right alike; the protest is Leftism in its mobilized form. It is not something that a real conservative should have anything to do with. Our choice is between peaceful self-sacrifice along with writing, educating, and setting a better example on the one hand, and actual military force on the other, with the latter not being feasible at the moment. The protest occupies an undefined middle ground between these two. It is the asymmetrical warfare of Gamscian destroyers.

    I don’t know if I agree, but this is a subtle and interesting comment.

  70. @MikeatMikedotMike
    This is the sentence that I was referring to and quoted:

    The alt-right engaged in violence–whether it was self-defensive in nature or not is irrelevant–that resulted in someone’s death in Charlottesville, and that was the end of the alt-right.
     
    You're a particular dishonest little cocksucker if you would take a reply that was a direct response to a referenced comment and then reassign it to a totally different comment (that wasn't even written in the body of the blog post.)

    You’re a particular dishonest little cocksucker

    Time out.

    I’m the most honest cocksucker that you have ever interacted with.

    I don’t see your quibble. He said it was a disaster and I agreed.

    I think it is over your head, Mikey.

  71. @Charles Pewitt

    The only item he left out was that it was orchestrated by Terry McAuliffe.

     

    I'll never understand why then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions didn't launch an investigation into Terry McAuliffe's activities and involvement in the Charlottesville matter.

    The ruling class of the American Empire must have directed McAuliffe's evil actions and then somehow forced Jeff Sessions to give him a pass.

    I wrote this in August of 2017 about McAuliffe and Charlottesville:

    Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe is a baby boomer scumbag who lied about the anti-White violence that happened at a pro-free speech event in Virginia. McAuliffe should be removed from office and sent to prison for his role in the Charlottesville riot. McAuliffe did everything in his power to give license to the anti-free speech thugs who attacked decent Americans who only wanted to defend the honor of Robert E. Lee and promote free speech.

    This baby boomer dirtbag McAuliffe is well known as a foul rat who scurried around the globe grabbing money for the Clinton Organized Crime Family. McAuliffe is the villain in all the events that transpired in Virginia. Attorney General Jeff Sessions should open up a broad investigation into the evil activities of McAuliffe in Virginia.

    I’ll never understand why then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions didn’t launch an investigation into Terry McAuliffe’s activities and involvement in the Charlottesville matter.

    I put this on Trump. He never supported Jeff.

  72. @95Theses
    If you've not heard of him, Michael Strickland is another Portland freelance journalist who has experienced Close Encounters of the Turd Kind with AntiFa – a broken arm in two places, including a week or two in the hospital – and naturally the Portland police did precious little in his defense.

    And he gives a discussion of experiences at over frontpagemag.com, and on YouTube. Talk about disheartening:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272426/escape-portland-daniel-greenfield#comment-4274302893

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7xpS3xukOc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8tIjx4s7vY

    Strickland is a great contrast to Ngo and the two incidents prove my underlying point spectacularly well–Strickland justifiably defended himself and was buried for his efforts. Ngo took it on the chin (and everywhere else) and now he’s a hero and quite possibly a future millionaire.

    Again, if you feel compelled to go to street protests–something I recommend against, parenthetically, though what I think doesn’t matter–you must be willing to take a beating or there’s an increasingly good chance your life will be ruined. This is not something to be taken lightly. There are men whose options in life have been drastically narrowed on account of being caught on camera in Charlottesville.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Agreed. Completely.

    I surely didn’t mean to convey that I attend events where there’s a high likelihood that some Leftist group will be present to stir things up. Oh no, not me. I walk a wide berth around those situations if I have any foreknowledge of them.

    When Mike’s troubles first came to my attention (after reading his longish comment @ frontpagemag.com) I spoke by phone with someone familiar with his legal defense at Oregon Firearms Federation (I don’t recall his name, but pretty sure he was the director). He detailed how the utterly corrupt and biased judge presiding over Strickland’s case is determined to violate Mike's constitutional/civil rights. I talked with him about 15 minutes. It is Un-Be-Lieve-Able.

    I would absolutely vote to dismiss all charges against Mike Strickland were I on his jury. Unfortunately, the fact that Mike was covering the protest works against him because his very being there means that he transgressed one of the five essential elements of a self-defense claim: Avoidance.

    So how is a journalist (freelance or otherwise) supposed to their job? Well, apparently by relieving themselves of every means of self-defense – even in a hostile, dangerous environment. Crazy, huh?

    As a refresher, here are the Five Elements of a Self-Defense claim. I strongly recommend to anyone that they download or bookmark this PDF whatever your concerns:


    Five Elements of a Self-Defense Claim

    • Innocence
    • Imminence
    • Proportionality
    • Avoidance
    • Reasonableness

    When ALL required elements are present then you have a lawful use of force in self-defense

    If any one of these elements can be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt by the prosecutor, then your claim of self-defense fails.

    — Andrew F. Branca

    https://assets.cdn.usconcealedcarry.com/pdf/guides/USCCA_DeadlyForceDecisionMaking.pdf
     

    If a case can be made why Stand Your Ground law is needed more than ever, these two instances serve as perfect illustrations favoring their passage. If you have legal right to be where you are – even at or observing a protest/demonstration/rally etc., etc. – then it ought to follow that you also have a right to self-defense in those circumstances.

    Further updates on Michael Strickland can be found at the link below:
    https://www.oregonfirearms.org/mike-strickland-update

    Or here on his YouTube channel:

    Update On Michael Strickland Appeals Case
    2018, November 26 | LaughingAtLiberals
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YhdQJweesE

  73. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "This isn’t an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. "

    Ok so you were summarizing the optics of it, fair enough. But I didn't read it that way.

    "At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which–myself included, obviously–had nothing to do with the event."

    I have conceded as much. That's were things like media and political support weight in. They can make one ambiguous death look like a genocide and simultaneously make 5 cops shot in Dallas look like a series of unfortunate events. The UtR guys could have each committed ritualistic suicide and they still would have been given posthumous citations for loitering.

    The infuriating thing about the UtR debacle is the armchair quarterbacking after the fact. All these "dissident" pundits doing exactly what they criticize mainstream conservatives of doing: punching right. And all of them are short on solutions too, other than "run and hide" and or maybe we'll win a lawsuit or something. If that's all we got then it's pathetic.

    But let me ask you - had the UtR been allowed to have their demonstration without incident, what would have been the implications of that outcome? I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?

    I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?

    “They” are much smarter than they.

  74. @YetAnotherAnon
    "the most effective arguments against neocon warmongering are pictures of dead children, that’s why they’re so rarely shown"

    But if pictures of dead children can be used as arguments for open borders, show them again and again!

    That’s exactly what our enemies do and it’s why they win. Complaining that the deck is stacked in their favor doesn’t change the fact that to beat them you have to play the game well. Indeed, you have to play it even better than they do.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Disagree: neutral
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Observing is not the same as complaining. :)

    And I'm still waiting for some solutions from the self styled geniuses here, other than "keep your head down and only reach out to people who already think like you do."

    And Andy Ngo being awarded a large settlement of what are essentially tax payer dollars is not a victory, and it doesn't make him a hero (by your standard he was reckless.) I'm perfectly willing to change my assessment of that distinction if he takes his lawsuit to trial someone ends up being held liable for the attacks on his person.
  75. @Charles Pewitt
    Biden dwelled on the Charlottesville events in his campaign launch. Biden must think that the corporate media's propaganda on Charlottesville will keep voters on the side of Democrats.

    The Charlottesville Alt-Right free speech rally to protect the monuments and statues and memorials of the historic American nation was a needed show of spirit by White Core America.

    Kamala Harris cracked Biden over the skull with the forced busing rhetoric at the Democrat Party debate like some Antifa thug cracking somebody over the head with a crowbar and she jumped in the polls.

    Kamala Harris thinks White Democrat voters who move out to mostly White towns, like Hillary Clinton moving out to mostly White Chappaqua, New York, will support her political message of forced school integration by busing students all over the place.

    Charlottesville has just added fuel to the anti-White rhetorical accelerationist fire emanating from the Democrat Party.

    Middle American Radicals

    Alt-Right

    White Core America

    The GOP Goes Explicit White Identity Politics Or It Goes Dodo Bird Extinct

    It’s a separate but related issue, white identity politics. And who is better for bringing them about, Biden or Harris? Rhetorical, of course.

  76. @peterAUS

    For those who feel compelled to attend public protests and rallies, there are a hundred ways things can go wrong and only one way things can go right.
     
    And then some chats about that bad word starting with 'v'.
    Some opinions, scenarios, suggestions etc. Nice...nice.

    How about this:
    A rally of, say, around 20 000 "Progs" protesting, let's say......whatever. Doesn't matter, really. Visualize that.
    You (the reader) are a passer by, just briefly watching the procession before going with your business.
    CRACK (could be some other sound instead, but we can't get too technical here for obvious reasons) and one of leading figures just drops.
    Now what?!

    Thoughts, ideas, suggestions.....opinions?
    Or...hehe....let's just move on?

    One thing that happens fairly quickly: The hosting company shutters UR, but only after turning all uploaded information–IP addresses, cookies, etc–to the feds.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    One thing that happens fairly quickly: The hosting company shutters UR, but only after turning all uploaded information–IP addresses, cookies, etc–to the feds.
     
    Hehehe...you sure it hasn't been happening for quite some time already?
  77. @Audacious Epigone
    You really should have written this post. Pure sagacity here.

    Thank you.

  78. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "This isn’t an assessment of the morality of what occurred, but the practical implications. "

    Ok so you were summarizing the optics of it, fair enough. But I didn't read it that way.

    "At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right, the vast majority of which–myself included, obviously–had nothing to do with the event."

    I have conceded as much. That's were things like media and political support weight in. They can make one ambiguous death look like a genocide and simultaneously make 5 cops shot in Dallas look like a series of unfortunate events. The UtR guys could have each committed ritualistic suicide and they still would have been given posthumous citations for loitering.

    The infuriating thing about the UtR debacle is the armchair quarterbacking after the fact. All these "dissident" pundits doing exactly what they criticize mainstream conservatives of doing: punching right. And all of them are short on solutions too, other than "run and hide" and or maybe we'll win a lawsuit or something. If that's all we got then it's pathetic.

    But let me ask you - had the UtR been allowed to have their demonstration without incident, what would have been the implications of that outcome? I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?

    The Unite the Right event that killed the alt right was the second Charlottesville gathering. The first one is mostly forgotten because it went off without incident.

    Fair point regarding punching right. That’s not my intention (one of the many reasons I don’t mention names when I talk about Charlottesville, for example). But it is a big learning opportunity.

    Additionally, going into exceptionally hostile territory–Berkeley and Charlottesville are leftist college towns–is reckless. Have these events in a second-tier midwestern city that votes Republican. No, the local powers that be are not going to be your friend, but they’re going to be a lot less hostile than hard leftist mayors and hard leftists police chiefs are.

  79. @peterAUS

    For those who feel compelled to attend public protests and rallies, there are a hundred ways things can go wrong and only one way things can go right.
     
    And then some chats about that bad word starting with 'v'.
    Some opinions, scenarios, suggestions etc. Nice...nice.

    How about this:
    A rally of, say, around 20 000 "Progs" protesting, let's say......whatever. Doesn't matter, really. Visualize that.
    You (the reader) are a passer by, just briefly watching the procession before going with your business.
    CRACK (could be some other sound instead, but we can't get too technical here for obvious reasons) and one of leading figures just drops.
    Now what?!

    Thoughts, ideas, suggestions.....opinions?
    Or...hehe....let's just move on?

    Agent provocateurs and cannon fodder are not new concepts.

    Just in case you were over awed by your insights.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    I see you don't mind contemplating that, and similar scenarios.

    So, what's your take, when is that and/or similar, likely to start happening?

    My guesstimation......depends on when Dems candidate walks into White House. Say...within a year of that date. Two tops.

    Save major conflict with/around Iran, mind you.
  80. @Oblivionrecurs
    The 70s leftist terrorism lead to the 80s conservative backlash. Perhaps the same will happen again?

    The 70s leftist terrorism lead to the 80s conservative backlash. Perhaps the same will happen again?

    Yeah, and what was that backlash? Ronald Reagan, both Bushes, John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Alan Greespan, Bob Dole….. Open borders, mass migration, invade the world/invite the world, interminable war, debt slavery, deindustrialization, Wall Street, fentanyl, feckless Cuckservatism. No Thanks. Been chumped once. I would rather have the wacko left in power than “conservatives”.

  81. @notanon

    Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right
     
    Cville lead to the media and Dem politicians giving carte blanche to antifa which lead to them jumping the shark.

    Fair.

  82. @Audacious Epigone
    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Exactly, because you're a person who has a developed relationship with violence. You understand what it is and what it means.

    These people don't. They don't realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.

    Posing and posturing.

  83. @Intelligent Dasein

    At this point it is hard for me to know what to say to people who do not think Charlottesville was an absolutely unmitigated disaster for the entire dissident right,
     
    The unmitigated disaster was the intended effect of people like the phony white nationalist Andrew Anglin, who helped to astroturf UtR into existence. To echo your comment, it's hard for me to know what to say to people who would ever think this rally would have been a good idea.

    Even without the violence and mishaps, it still would have been a PR flop. Like it or not, the impression made by chanting militia members waving Confederate flags and AR-15s just isn't a good one. You don't win converts to a controversial cause by emulating Hollywood's worst caricatures of it, and ostensibly media-savvy people like Anglin and Spencer would have known (did know) exactly how this would play to the larger audience. You wouldn't just hand your enemy ammunition like that if you weren't trying to get shot.

    Protesting is always a bad idea if you're on the Right. The protest is not some neutral tool that can be profitably employed by Left and Right alike; the protest is Leftism in its mobilized form. It is not something that a real conservative should have anything to do with. Our choice is between peaceful self-sacrifice along with writing, educating, and setting a better example on the one hand, and actual military force on the other, with the latter not being feasible at the moment. The protest occupies an undefined middle ground between these two. It is the asymmetrical warfare of Gamscian destroyers.

    For those outside of power culturally, there are no benefits to be had from engaging in half-measures with regards to violence. I very much hope there is a non-violent way out of this. That hope gets a little dimmer by the day, but while there is still hope, words over swords.

  84. my Paladin was never able to make it all the way to Diablo. never could figure out that Hammerdin thing. i always had a Zeal paladin with Ice aura that didn’t survive thru the jungle levels.

    oh wait? not that kind of Paladin?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    This kind of paladin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFHns6V7yTE
  85. @Audacious Epigone
    One thing that happens fairly quickly: The hosting company shutters UR, but only after turning all uploaded information--IP addresses, cookies, etc--to the feds.

    One thing that happens fairly quickly: The hosting company shutters UR, but only after turning all uploaded information–IP addresses, cookies, etc–to the feds.

    Hehehe…you sure it hasn’t been happening for quite some time already?

  86. @Audacious Epigone
    And now we have a US senator calling on the FBI to investigate. That is a good thing. Look, if the city of Portland gets hit with a big settlement for this--Ngo alerted the city beforehand that he had received physical threats--other cities will become far less willing to accommodate left-wing mobs in the future.

    And now we have a US senator calling on the FBI to investigate.

    He can call all he wants for the FBI to investigate but I don’t think that it will yield any action.

    The FBI is converged, who do you think works for the FBI today. Yeah, they will undertake and investigation as thorough and fruitful as the one that revealed the truth about Hillary’s emails. If there is an investigation they follow up will find 1) no evidence of crime/civil rights violation or 2) can’t find the suspects anyway. Out of luck chumps.

    Right-wingers are hated by the deep state. They will not uphold/protect our rights.

    • Replies: @notanon

    Right-wingers are hated by the deep state. They will not uphold/protect our rights.
     
    there's what thirty normiecons for every alt-righter?

    they can get away with jailing an alt-righter for self-defense but if they don't maintain some nominal pretense of a rule of law normiecons will start radicalizing.
  87. @iffen
    Agent provocateurs and cannon fodder are not new concepts.

    Just in case you were over awed by your insights.

    I see you don’t mind contemplating that, and similar scenarios.

    So, what’s your take, when is that and/or similar, likely to start happening?

    My guesstimation……depends on when Dems candidate walks into White House. Say…within a year of that date. Two tops.

    Save major conflict with/around Iran, mind you.

    • Replies: @iffen
    So, what’s your take, when is that and/or similar, likely to start happening?

    Nothing organized on a major scale.

    Ever.

    I thought that when they come for the firearms that the resistance would be organized and violent, but I've changed my mind on that.

    The apocalypse is far off in the future. Many here think that 2020 will be the end, but not so. One can look at California and see the future. We will survive.
  88. @Audacious Epigone
    Strickland is a great contrast to Ngo and the two incidents prove my underlying point spectacularly well--Strickland justifiably defended himself and was buried for his efforts. Ngo took it on the chin (and everywhere else) and now he's a hero and quite possibly a future millionaire.

    Again, if you feel compelled to go to street protests--something I recommend against, parenthetically, though what I think doesn't matter--you must be willing to take a beating or there's an increasingly good chance your life will be ruined. This is not something to be taken lightly. There are men whose options in life have been drastically narrowed on account of being caught on camera in Charlottesville.

    Agreed. Completely.

    I surely didn’t mean to convey that I attend events where there’s a high likelihood that some Leftist group will be present to stir things up. Oh no, not me. I walk a wide berth around those situations if I have any foreknowledge of them.

    When Mike’s troubles first came to my attention (after reading his longish comment @ frontpagemag.com) I spoke by phone with someone familiar with his legal defense at Oregon Firearms Federation (I don’t recall his name, but pretty sure he was the director). He detailed how the utterly corrupt and biased judge presiding over Strickland’s case is determined to violate Mike’s constitutional/civil rights. I talked with him about 15 minutes. It is Un-Be-Lieve-Able.

    I would absolutely vote to dismiss all charges against Mike Strickland were I on his jury. Unfortunately, the fact that Mike was covering the protest works against him because his very being there means that he transgressed one of the five essential elements of a self-defense claim: Avoidance.

    So how is a journalist (freelance or otherwise) supposed to their job? Well, apparently by relieving themselves of every means of self-defense – even in a hostile, dangerous environment. Crazy, huh?

    As a refresher, here are the Five Elements of a Self-Defense claim. I strongly recommend to anyone that they download or bookmark this PDF whatever your concerns:

    Five Elements of a Self-Defense Claim

    • Innocence
    • Imminence
    • Proportionality
    • Avoidance
    • Reasonableness

    When ALL required elements are present then you have a lawful use of force in self-defense

    If any one of these elements can be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt by the prosecutor, then your claim of self-defense fails.

    — Andrew F. Branca

    https://assets.cdn.usconcealedcarry.com/pdf/guides/USCCA_DeadlyForceDecisionMaking.pdf

    If a case can be made why Stand Your Ground law is needed more than ever, these two instances serve as perfect illustrations favoring their passage. If you have legal right to be where you are – even at or observing a protest/demonstration/rally etc., etc. – then it ought to follow that you also have a right to self-defense in those circumstances.

    Further updates on Michael Strickland can be found at the link below:
    https://www.oregonfirearms.org/mike-strickland-update

    Or here on his YouTube channel:

    Update On Michael Strickland Appeals Case
    2018, November 26 | LaughingAtLiberals

    • Replies: @95Theses
    On reflection, there are events I probably would attend. But a lot of preparation would precede my decision.
  89. @Achmed E. Newman
    This is the first post of yours, A.E. in which I disagree with the gist of the whole thing. I respect this Andy Ngo, as little as I know about him yet, especially for being a real journalist, not for getting beat on or about the head.

    Nope, all it would have taken in Charlottesville, considering the UtR crowd simply wanted to exercise their right to speak out loud about American/Southern heritage, is for them to have had 10 times the numbers. I don't even mean that in a sense of a fairer fight. I just mean this, which is another, better lesson to be learned from the 1960's then getting the crap beat out of you and subsequently appearing on TV and in tweets:

    There is power in numbers. If the Charlottesville alt-right crowd had 2,000 people, not even all participants, just sympathizers that weren't too chicken to even come out and cheer them on, they could not all be arrested, and they could not all be jailed. Imagine 5,000 family members coming to downtown Charlottesville to the courthouse to raise hell and carry on.

    You just need more people that aren't afraid to speak up, that's all. It beats getting beat up and hoping it's all on camera for your grandchildren to see.

    That’s good, but did UtR have advance knowledge that LEOs were being ordered to stand down?

    In retrospect, your advice now appears obvious, but I don’t think the marchers ever believed that the police were just going to allow Antifa to have their way.

    That said, you’re right that any future march ought to have more numbers. (And more cameras. More self-defense tools/accessories.)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm not really even putting the error on UtR at all, 95. No, what it takes is the general population to get over its cowardice and also realize that there's power in numbers. Sure, 10 guys from some frat come out to support the UtR with cheers and try to stay out of the fray - hell, they'll get screwed over on social media, cast out from the school, whatever... That's right. But if 500 guys from the University or from town come out, they just can't all be doxed, they can't all be arrested, and if somehow they were, they can't all be prosecuted. The cops are not going to shoot tear gas at a crowd of 500 or 1,000 that are just standing there. That will only cause more trouble than those cops and the city could imagine.

    What I think it will take to turn things around will be just one instance in which more and more regular Americans keep coming out in support. It's all in the timing. If you are left hanging, you can end up like Mr. Ngo (Non-governmental organization?) or at least have to run like hell and do no good there, if you're lucky. The bigger the group gets, though, the safer it is for anyone else coming out, and it wouldn't even take any courage any more to do so.

    That's what I mean by power in numbers. An event can be planned with more numbers, but, better yet, a good leader can urge people to come out in droves during said event.
  90. @95Theses
    Agreed. Completely.

    I surely didn’t mean to convey that I attend events where there’s a high likelihood that some Leftist group will be present to stir things up. Oh no, not me. I walk a wide berth around those situations if I have any foreknowledge of them.

    When Mike’s troubles first came to my attention (after reading his longish comment @ frontpagemag.com) I spoke by phone with someone familiar with his legal defense at Oregon Firearms Federation (I don’t recall his name, but pretty sure he was the director). He detailed how the utterly corrupt and biased judge presiding over Strickland’s case is determined to violate Mike's constitutional/civil rights. I talked with him about 15 minutes. It is Un-Be-Lieve-Able.

    I would absolutely vote to dismiss all charges against Mike Strickland were I on his jury. Unfortunately, the fact that Mike was covering the protest works against him because his very being there means that he transgressed one of the five essential elements of a self-defense claim: Avoidance.

    So how is a journalist (freelance or otherwise) supposed to their job? Well, apparently by relieving themselves of every means of self-defense – even in a hostile, dangerous environment. Crazy, huh?

    As a refresher, here are the Five Elements of a Self-Defense claim. I strongly recommend to anyone that they download or bookmark this PDF whatever your concerns:


    Five Elements of a Self-Defense Claim

    • Innocence
    • Imminence
    • Proportionality
    • Avoidance
    • Reasonableness

    When ALL required elements are present then you have a lawful use of force in self-defense

    If any one of these elements can be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt by the prosecutor, then your claim of self-defense fails.

    — Andrew F. Branca

    https://assets.cdn.usconcealedcarry.com/pdf/guides/USCCA_DeadlyForceDecisionMaking.pdf
     

    If a case can be made why Stand Your Ground law is needed more than ever, these two instances serve as perfect illustrations favoring their passage. If you have legal right to be where you are – even at or observing a protest/demonstration/rally etc., etc. – then it ought to follow that you also have a right to self-defense in those circumstances.

    Further updates on Michael Strickland can be found at the link below:
    https://www.oregonfirearms.org/mike-strickland-update

    Or here on his YouTube channel:

    Update On Michael Strickland Appeals Case
    2018, November 26 | LaughingAtLiberals
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YhdQJweesE

    On reflection, there are events I probably would attend. But a lot of preparation would precede my decision.

  91. @Audacious Epigone
    That's exactly what our enemies do and it's why they win. Complaining that the deck is stacked in their favor doesn't change the fact that to beat them you have to play the game well. Indeed, you have to play it even better than they do.

    Observing is not the same as complaining. 🙂

    And I’m still waiting for some solutions from the self styled geniuses here, other than “keep your head down and only reach out to people who already think like you do.”

    And Andy Ngo being awarded a large settlement of what are essentially tax payer dollars is not a victory, and it doesn’t make him a hero (by your standard he was reckless.) I’m perfectly willing to change my assessment of that distinction if he takes his lawsuit to trial someone ends up being held liable for the attacks on his person.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    If cities become concerned that intentional negligence in these things has a realistic chance of costing them big, they'll stop giving free reign to leftist street agitators. That's the most immediate upside.

    More strategically, though, the more successful instances of lawfare against communists there are, the better off we are (and the better off society as a whole is). Imagine in addition to the big Oberlin settlement, Sandmann and Ngo both score multi-million dollar judgments this year, too.

    That's big, because it sets a precedent for the good guys, especially those who are diligent enough to set a trap the raging communists will be unable to help themselves from falling into.
  92. @Dave Pinsen
    You don't seem to appreciate how terrified American elites are of anything that looks like it could turn into a right wing militia, and how quick they are to nip it in the bud. Ruby Ridge and Waco, obviously, but more recently, look what happened with Gavin McInnes and his "Proud Boys", which he basically started as a joke and are a rainbow coalition of diversity.

    Gavin's been deplatformed, and three of the SOBs who defended him from Antifa in New York last fall are going on trial this summer.

    https://twitter.com/ColinRMoynihan/status/1131954033059651584

    One of those three guys, Kinsman, has a black wife and kid, and they're still dropping the hammer on him. You think the powers that be would have gone easier on a bunch of Richard Spencer-following Chads?

    You don’t seem to appreciate how terrified American elites are of anything that looks like it could turn into a right wing militia, and how quick they are to nip it in the bud.

    I’m pretty familiar with all this, Dave, especially the earlier bits such as the Waco Massacre of 70-odd men, women, and children*. I’m not sure how this is an argument against my comment though. I’ll write more in reply to 95Theses.

    .

    * When David Koresh could have been arrested any other day at the post office or drug store.

  93. @95Theses
    That's good, but did UtR have advance knowledge that LEOs were being ordered to stand down?

    In retrospect, your advice now appears obvious, but I don't think the marchers ever believed that the police were just going to allow Antifa to have their way.

    That said, you're right that any future march ought to have more numbers. (And more cameras. More self-defense tools/accessories.)

    I’m not really even putting the error on UtR at all, 95. No, what it takes is the general population to get over its cowardice and also realize that there’s power in numbers. Sure, 10 guys from some frat come out to support the UtR with cheers and try to stay out of the fray – hell, they’ll get screwed over on social media, cast out from the school, whatever… That’s right. But if 500 guys from the University or from town come out, they just can’t all be doxed, they can’t all be arrested, and if somehow they were, they can’t all be prosecuted. The cops are not going to shoot tear gas at a crowd of 500 or 1,000 that are just standing there. That will only cause more trouble than those cops and the city could imagine.

    What I think it will take to turn things around will be just one instance in which more and more regular Americans keep coming out in support. It’s all in the timing. If you are left hanging, you can end up like Mr. Ngo (Non-governmental organization?) or at least have to run like hell and do no good there, if you’re lucky. The bigger the group gets, though, the safer it is for anyone else coming out, and it wouldn’t even take any courage any more to do so.

    That’s what I mean by power in numbers. An event can be planned with more numbers, but, better yet, a good leader can urge people to come out in droves during said event.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Trump rallies are a pretty good illustration of this. The attacks on Trump supporters are almost invariably as people are coming or going. Near the venues themselves, the numbers become far too overwhelming for people to be attacked (Chicago excepted--but it's generally a bad idea to go right into the belly of the beast).
  94. @Daniel H
    And now we have a US senator calling on the FBI to investigate.

    He can call all he wants for the FBI to investigate but I don't think that it will yield any action.

    The FBI is converged, who do you think works for the FBI today. Yeah, they will undertake and investigation as thorough and fruitful as the one that revealed the truth about Hillary's emails. If there is an investigation they follow up will find 1) no evidence of crime/civil rights violation or 2) can't find the suspects anyway. Out of luck chumps.

    Right-wingers are hated by the deep state. They will not uphold/protect our rights.

    Right-wingers are hated by the deep state. They will not uphold/protect our rights.

    there’s what thirty normiecons for every alt-righter?

    they can get away with jailing an alt-righter for self-defense but if they don’t maintain some nominal pretense of a rule of law normiecons will start radicalizing.

  95. @peterAUS
    I see you don't mind contemplating that, and similar scenarios.

    So, what's your take, when is that and/or similar, likely to start happening?

    My guesstimation......depends on when Dems candidate walks into White House. Say...within a year of that date. Two tops.

    Save major conflict with/around Iran, mind you.

    So, what’s your take, when is that and/or similar, likely to start happening?

    Nothing organized on a major scale.

    Ever.

    I thought that when they come for the firearms that the resistance would be organized and violent, but I’ve changed my mind on that.

    The apocalypse is far off in the future. Many here think that 2020 will be the end, but not so. One can look at California and see the future. We will survive.

    • Replies: @notanon

    The apocalypse is far off in the future.
     
    most people start from the premise that TPTB want to preserve the US while replacing the citizens and therefore any "collapse" would be accidental on their part but what if collapse is their aim?

    what if the plan is to push the US into civil conflict and then skip out to Hong Kong with their loot?

    if you look at the list of things that have been pushed by the media over recent years: off-shoring, open borders, BLM, trans, pedoworld, enforced inversion of science, reparations etc then deliberate sabotage makes a lot more sense than misguided benevolence.
    , @peterAUS
    Fair point. Probably even proven correct.
    My take:

    One can look at California and see the future
     
    I'd say Brazil. Favelas etc.

    Nothing organized on a major scale
     
    I see individual acts here and there. Then, of course, the reaction. Which will create more acts of similar nature.
    That dynamics could go both ways. As in your "never" or "sooner than we expect". People and that x factor. Impossible to predict. Hence, possibility or hope, depending on which side one is.
  96. @Audacious Epigone
    Having said all that, if a crowd swarmed me and threatened my life thusly, all the attackers are getting shot, period. And that’s why I avoid crowds and don’t put myself in a situation like that.

    Exactly, because you're a person who has a developed relationship with violence. You understand what it is and what it means.

    These people don't. They don't realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.

    These people don’t. They don’t realize how utterly unprepared they are to experience real violence and that what they are actually engaged in is street theater.

    The money power, who control the media, can present anything they want on the stage, or present nothing. They can prosecute the innocent and protect the guilty.

    It seemed with Trump that there was a way out of this through voting, but all the warning signs were there.

  97. @iffen
    So, what’s your take, when is that and/or similar, likely to start happening?

    Nothing organized on a major scale.

    Ever.

    I thought that when they come for the firearms that the resistance would be organized and violent, but I've changed my mind on that.

    The apocalypse is far off in the future. Many here think that 2020 will be the end, but not so. One can look at California and see the future. We will survive.

    The apocalypse is far off in the future.

    most people start from the premise that TPTB want to preserve the US while replacing the citizens and therefore any “collapse” would be accidental on their part but what if collapse is their aim?

    what if the plan is to push the US into civil conflict and then skip out to Hong Kong with their loot?

    if you look at the list of things that have been pushed by the media over recent years: off-shoring, open borders, BLM, trans, pedoworld, enforced inversion of science, reparations etc then deliberate sabotage makes a lot more sense than misguided benevolence.

    • Replies: @notanon
    nb that doesn't mean i disagree with

    Nothing organized on a major scale. Ever.
     
    i think the most likely outcome (currently) is constant disorganized anti-white violence and constant white flight onto ever shrinking living space.
  98. @notanon

    The apocalypse is far off in the future.
     
    most people start from the premise that TPTB want to preserve the US while replacing the citizens and therefore any "collapse" would be accidental on their part but what if collapse is their aim?

    what if the plan is to push the US into civil conflict and then skip out to Hong Kong with their loot?

    if you look at the list of things that have been pushed by the media over recent years: off-shoring, open borders, BLM, trans, pedoworld, enforced inversion of science, reparations etc then deliberate sabotage makes a lot more sense than misguided benevolence.

    nb that doesn’t mean i disagree with

    Nothing organized on a major scale. Ever.

    i think the most likely outcome (currently) is constant disorganized anti-white violence and constant white flight onto ever shrinking living space.

  99. @iffen
    So, what’s your take, when is that and/or similar, likely to start happening?

    Nothing organized on a major scale.

    Ever.

    I thought that when they come for the firearms that the resistance would be organized and violent, but I've changed my mind on that.

    The apocalypse is far off in the future. Many here think that 2020 will be the end, but not so. One can look at California and see the future. We will survive.

    Fair point. Probably even proven correct.
    My take:

    One can look at California and see the future

    I’d say Brazil. Favelas etc.

    Nothing organized on a major scale

    I see individual acts here and there. Then, of course, the reaction. Which will create more acts of similar nature.
    That dynamics could go both ways. As in your “never” or “sooner than we expect”. People and that x factor. Impossible to predict. Hence, possibility or hope, depending on which side one is.

  100. @prime noticer
    my Paladin was never able to make it all the way to Diablo. never could figure out that Hammerdin thing. i always had a Zeal paladin with Ice aura that didn't survive thru the jungle levels.

    oh wait? not that kind of Paladin?

    This kind of paladin:

  101. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Observing is not the same as complaining. :)

    And I'm still waiting for some solutions from the self styled geniuses here, other than "keep your head down and only reach out to people who already think like you do."

    And Andy Ngo being awarded a large settlement of what are essentially tax payer dollars is not a victory, and it doesn't make him a hero (by your standard he was reckless.) I'm perfectly willing to change my assessment of that distinction if he takes his lawsuit to trial someone ends up being held liable for the attacks on his person.

    If cities become concerned that intentional negligence in these things has a realistic chance of costing them big, they’ll stop giving free reign to leftist street agitators. That’s the most immediate upside.

    More strategically, though, the more successful instances of lawfare against communists there are, the better off we are (and the better off society as a whole is). Imagine in addition to the big Oberlin settlement, Sandmann and Ngo both score multi-million dollar judgments this year, too.

    That’s big, because it sets a precedent for the good guys, especially those who are diligent enough to set a trap the raging communists will be unable to help themselves from falling into.

    • Agree: 95Theses
  102. @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm not really even putting the error on UtR at all, 95. No, what it takes is the general population to get over its cowardice and also realize that there's power in numbers. Sure, 10 guys from some frat come out to support the UtR with cheers and try to stay out of the fray - hell, they'll get screwed over on social media, cast out from the school, whatever... That's right. But if 500 guys from the University or from town come out, they just can't all be doxed, they can't all be arrested, and if somehow they were, they can't all be prosecuted. The cops are not going to shoot tear gas at a crowd of 500 or 1,000 that are just standing there. That will only cause more trouble than those cops and the city could imagine.

    What I think it will take to turn things around will be just one instance in which more and more regular Americans keep coming out in support. It's all in the timing. If you are left hanging, you can end up like Mr. Ngo (Non-governmental organization?) or at least have to run like hell and do no good there, if you're lucky. The bigger the group gets, though, the safer it is for anyone else coming out, and it wouldn't even take any courage any more to do so.

    That's what I mean by power in numbers. An event can be planned with more numbers, but, better yet, a good leader can urge people to come out in droves during said event.

    Trump rallies are a pretty good illustration of this. The attacks on Trump supporters are almost invariably as people are coming or going. Near the venues themselves, the numbers become far too overwhelming for people to be attacked (Chicago excepted–but it’s generally a bad idea to go right into the belly of the beast).

  103. @Ghak
    Maybe the author is a concern troll or controled opposition?

    Maybe the author is a concern troll or controled opposition?

    Don’t think so (could be wrong, of course).

    The author is representative of a growing group of middle-class people who are trying to find a solution to the Problem. You know the type:mild-mannered, civilized, educated. Nice.

    They simply desperately want to believe that the opposition can be reasoned with. They are trying to find a way, any way, out of the Problem which doesn’t involve physical violence.

    For them to flip into, literally, throwing a punch, swinging a stick, lunging with a knife or pulling a trigger requires traumatic personal experience, if that. One in ten is capable of the change and he is usually a quality addition to own group.
    The problem are those other nine. They’ll fold and, in the world of real power play, work for the opposition. That is….hehe… ,maybe, something to think about.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    They simply desperately want to believe that the opposition can be reasoned with.

    Indeed. I'd prefer we stay in the age of reason rather than going back to nature raw in tooth and claw.
  104. ” I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?”

    Yes. They absolutely totally should have fucking known that and not knowing it was criminal incompetence and stupidity bordering on treason. They should have checked Kessler’s background. They should have checked the makeup of the C’ville city council and its political leanings, as well as background info on the police department and police chief. They should have checked the voting patterns for the city and county to see if they could get support from the locals. They should have gotten solid and reliable information from local people (not me anymore, but I did live a few years in C’ville, and I was TOTALLY UNSURPRISED) about how such an operation would be received and handled, and if there was any reason to think it might not go well, they should have fucking well called it off without a moment’s hesitation.

    When you organize an operation like that you check the basics. You do not go cruising in blindly confident that the old rules apply to you. That is a major part of why we are upset with this current society: the rules do not apply, to anything. Nobody on our side is allowed to just go in with total confidence that God’s supernatural protection applies to whatever madcap notion happens to pop into their heads.

    The second most regrettable thing about C’ville (the first being that it happened at all) is that the people prosecuted were grunts, not the flaming retards who organized it.

    That said:

    I disagree with our host’s assertion that it was an unmitigated disaster. It was NECESSARY. The alt-right was feeling its oats and had an absolutely disproportionate idea of its popularity and power. C’ville put an end to that, served as a dash of cold water in the face, and made it clear just how much real work there is to do.

    James Fields should never have gone to prison, but this is becoming a war, and in a war there are casualties.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I don't remember seeing your handle before, so I checked out your comment history (where you admit that you don't comment very often). I'm in alaignment with much of what you have to say.

    Based on that - thanks for the reply. While I don't necessarily think they should have expected violence, they should have at least expected lawfare and media hostility and there's no question they utterly failed in prep and planning.
    , @peterAUS

    They should have checked Kessler’s background. They should have checked the makeup of the C’ville city council and its political leanings, as well as background info on the police department and police chief. They should have checked the voting patterns for the city and county to see if they could get support from the locals. They should have gotten solid and reliable information from local people (not me anymore, but I did live a few years in C’ville, and I was TOTALLY UNSURPRISED) about how such an operation would be received and handled, and if there was any reason to think it might not go well, they should have fucking well called it off without a moment’s hesitation.

    When you organize an operation like that you check the basics. You do not go cruising in blindly confident that the old rules apply to you. That is a major part of why we are upset with this current society: the rules do not apply, to anything.
     

    Yep.

    As for:


    James Fields should never have gone to prison, but this is becoming a war, and in a war there are casualties.
     
    Yes. And there will be much more. Maybe even some of us here.

    A question if I may: would you be so kind as to point to some links when a person can see/hear, perhaps even communicate, with people who think/feel as above?
    Starting to take too much skipping and skim reading here on top of a (longish) ignore list.

  105. @vok3
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    " I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?"

    Yes. They absolutely totally should have fucking known that and not knowing it was criminal incompetence and stupidity bordering on treason. They should have checked Kessler's background. They should have checked the makeup of the C'ville city council and its political leanings, as well as background info on the police department and police chief. They should have checked the voting patterns for the city and county to see if they could get support from the locals. They should have gotten solid and reliable information from local people (not me anymore, but I did live a few years in C'ville, and I was TOTALLY UNSURPRISED) about how such an operation would be received and handled, and if there was any reason to think it might not go well, they should have fucking well called it off without a moment's hesitation.

    When you organize an operation like that you check the basics. You do not go cruising in blindly confident that the old rules apply to you. That is a major part of why we are upset with this current society: the rules do not apply, to anything. Nobody on our side is allowed to just go in with total confidence that God's supernatural protection applies to whatever madcap notion happens to pop into their heads.

    The second most regrettable thing about C'ville (the first being that it happened at all) is that the people prosecuted were grunts, not the flaming retards who organized it.

    That said:

    I disagree with our host's assertion that it was an unmitigated disaster. It was NECESSARY. The alt-right was feeling its oats and had an absolutely disproportionate idea of its popularity and power. C'ville put an end to that, served as a dash of cold water in the face, and made it clear just how much real work there is to do.

    James Fields should never have gone to prison, but this is becoming a war, and in a war there are casualties.

    I don’t remember seeing your handle before, so I checked out your comment history (where you admit that you don’t comment very often). I’m in alaignment with much of what you have to say.

    Based on that – thanks for the reply. While I don’t necessarily think they should have expected violence, they should have at least expected lawfare and media hostility and there’s no question they utterly failed in prep and planning.

  106. I’d wager a 1000$ this will never happen.

    Your implying that Antifa is somehow viewed or treated as an equivalent to the far-right by the MSM, and establishment.

    It is not. By a mile it is not.

    Antifa, will never be banned anywhere. Ever.

  107. @vok3
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    " I mean should they have known that an entire city government was conspiring to see them physically harmed?"

    Yes. They absolutely totally should have fucking known that and not knowing it was criminal incompetence and stupidity bordering on treason. They should have checked Kessler's background. They should have checked the makeup of the C'ville city council and its political leanings, as well as background info on the police department and police chief. They should have checked the voting patterns for the city and county to see if they could get support from the locals. They should have gotten solid and reliable information from local people (not me anymore, but I did live a few years in C'ville, and I was TOTALLY UNSURPRISED) about how such an operation would be received and handled, and if there was any reason to think it might not go well, they should have fucking well called it off without a moment's hesitation.

    When you organize an operation like that you check the basics. You do not go cruising in blindly confident that the old rules apply to you. That is a major part of why we are upset with this current society: the rules do not apply, to anything. Nobody on our side is allowed to just go in with total confidence that God's supernatural protection applies to whatever madcap notion happens to pop into their heads.

    The second most regrettable thing about C'ville (the first being that it happened at all) is that the people prosecuted were grunts, not the flaming retards who organized it.

    That said:

    I disagree with our host's assertion that it was an unmitigated disaster. It was NECESSARY. The alt-right was feeling its oats and had an absolutely disproportionate idea of its popularity and power. C'ville put an end to that, served as a dash of cold water in the face, and made it clear just how much real work there is to do.

    James Fields should never have gone to prison, but this is becoming a war, and in a war there are casualties.

    They should have checked Kessler’s background. They should have checked the makeup of the C’ville city council and its political leanings, as well as background info on the police department and police chief. They should have checked the voting patterns for the city and county to see if they could get support from the locals. They should have gotten solid and reliable information from local people (not me anymore, but I did live a few years in C’ville, and I was TOTALLY UNSURPRISED) about how such an operation would be received and handled, and if there was any reason to think it might not go well, they should have fucking well called it off without a moment’s hesitation.

    When you organize an operation like that you check the basics. You do not go cruising in blindly confident that the old rules apply to you. That is a major part of why we are upset with this current society: the rules do not apply, to anything.

    Yep.

    As for:

    James Fields should never have gone to prison, but this is becoming a war, and in a war there are casualties.

    Yes. And there will be much more. Maybe even some of us here.

    A question if I may: would you be so kind as to point to some links when a person can see/hear, perhaps even communicate, with people who think/feel as above?
    Starting to take too much skipping and skim reading here on top of a (longish) ignore list.

  108. @Twinkie

    Sorry if that came off sounding a little didactic, but I’m new here and very unfamiliar with the views or background knowledge of other commenters.
     
    No need to apologize. Mas Ayoob is a leading civilian authority on self-defense involving firearms. You are only helping people here by linking to his information.

    Ohio
     
    I like John Farnam’s training for civilians, esp. with long guns (carbine, rifle, shotgun). He travels to OH occasionally. Check it out. http://defense-training.com/

    Thank you for that. I will be looking into Farnam’s training schedule.

  109. @peterAUS

    Maybe the author is a concern troll or controled opposition?
     
    Don't think so (could be wrong, of course).

    The author is representative of a growing group of middle-class people who are trying to find a solution to the Problem. You know the type:mild-mannered, civilized, educated. Nice.

    They simply desperately want to believe that the opposition can be reasoned with. They are trying to find a way, any way, out of the Problem which doesn't involve physical violence.

    For them to flip into, literally, throwing a punch, swinging a stick, lunging with a knife or pulling a trigger requires traumatic personal experience, if that. One in ten is capable of the change and he is usually a quality addition to own group.
    The problem are those other nine. They'll fold and, in the world of real power play, work for the opposition. That is....hehe... ,maybe, something to think about.

    They simply desperately want to believe that the opposition can be reasoned with.

    Indeed. I’d prefer we stay in the age of reason rather than going back to nature raw in tooth and claw.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    No.

    You prefer to resolve fundamental issues in the eternal game of power without using physical violence. It simply doesn't work that way, especially in the current paradigm.
    As long as you understand that limitation it's fine. As long as people communicating with you understand the same it's O.K.
    People like you are good at explaining what's wrong with the current state, and it stops there.

    That's on the positive side.

    On the negative: as long as people believe in that delusion they aren't really doing anything to resolve the problem. And that could....hehe...be an issue. Time.
    While "we" are blabbing about the problem "they" are doing their stuff, enforcing their positions.
    I am quite sure that Whites in S.A. don't need any explaining anymore. And they can, among themselves, blab all day about it. Doing something about it is another matter altogether.

    I have no illusions whatsoever "we" are going to win this. My estimate, 90/10, "we" will lose.
    The foreseeable future, most likely, will be Brasilian type of society, with strong Panopticon and structural, state-enforced anti-white bias.
    That 10 % is interesting, though. Humans are hard to predict.

    You and your types do what you think it's best.
    Same applies to mine.
    Free will and such.

  110. @Audacious Epigone
    They simply desperately want to believe that the opposition can be reasoned with.

    Indeed. I'd prefer we stay in the age of reason rather than going back to nature raw in tooth and claw.

    No.

    You prefer to resolve fundamental issues in the eternal game of power without using physical violence. It simply doesn’t work that way, especially in the current paradigm.
    As long as you understand that limitation it’s fine. As long as people communicating with you understand the same it’s O.K.
    People like you are good at explaining what’s wrong with the current state, and it stops there.

    That’s on the positive side.

    On the negative: as long as people believe in that delusion they aren’t really doing anything to resolve the problem. And that could….hehe…be an issue. Time.
    While “we” are blabbing about the problem “they” are doing their stuff, enforcing their positions.
    I am quite sure that Whites in S.A. don’t need any explaining anymore. And they can, among themselves, blab all day about it. Doing something about it is another matter altogether.

    I have no illusions whatsoever “we” are going to win this. My estimate, 90/10, “we” will lose.
    The foreseeable future, most likely, will be Brasilian type of society, with strong Panopticon and structural, state-enforced anti-white bias.
    That 10 % is interesting, though. Humans are hard to predict.

    You and your types do what you think it’s best.
    Same applies to mine.
    Free will and such.

    • Replies: @iffen
    People like you are good at explaining what’s wrong with the current state, and it stops there.

    Not always, sometimes they come up with a way forward.
  111. @95Theses
    You’re probably on solid legal grounds up until the last man (or woman) standing. Read on.

    Against a Mob: Surviving in the Street and in Court
    2018, January 24 | Schuyler P. Robertson

    ... This case is important because it is cited in the book Warren: On Homicide, which is the definitive book on homicide law in the United States. A critical legal concept for self-defense in Warren is, “Where several are apparently preparing to join in an attack on defendant, his right of self-defense extends to each participant.” The concept was set as a precedent in State (WV) v. Foley.

    What this means for the law-abiding armed citizen is that, when faced with a violent mob whose words or actions indicate the participants intend on doing violence, each member of the mob shares the responsibility of the entirety of the mob and is equally and individually fair game for the defensive actions of the innocent defender. One important caveat in Warren is that, after the mob is whittled down to one member, any disparity of force caused by the number of attackers is gone.

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/mob-surviving-street-court/
     

    And affirmed in Massad Ayoob’s instructional video:

    Massad Ayoob "Judicious Use of Deadly Force"
    2015, May 13 | MrMuscleBilly

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j4PS_8R5IE#t=2610

    Massad Ayoob

    “Massad”?

    Mossad boob?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    An excellent comment, for several reasons.

    One of them as part of the selection process when talking about guns. Simple question: "Heard of Massad Ayoob"? Talk/try to explain/ignore.

    On a practical side, though, I am not quite sure how even Massad would fare in the current paradigm should he shoot..say....four antifas from a bunch of 12, trying to assault him.
    Hehe....when to draw?
    O.K. being of a Syrian descent could help, I guess.

    Still, a man, into guns...shooting at state protected sacred species. Would be tough.

  112. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Massad Ayoob

     

    "Massad"?

    Mossad boob?

    An excellent comment, for several reasons.

    One of them as part of the selection process when talking about guns. Simple question: “Heard of Massad Ayoob”? Talk/try to explain/ignore.

    On a practical side, though, I am not quite sure how even Massad would fare in the current paradigm should he shoot..say….four antifas from a bunch of 12, trying to assault him.
    Hehe….when to draw?
    O.K. being of a Syrian descent could help, I guess.

    Still, a man, into guns…shooting at state protected sacred species. Would be tough.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    I'm not a bigot or anything, but...

    Europeans invented guns. Europeans invented smokeless powder. An American invented the revolver. A Mormon invented the fully semi-automatic assault machine gun.

    Why should a guy from the Middle East* whose Arabic name sounds like "Mossad boob" to our English ears make a comfortable living off the white conservative demographic writing articles and books and lecturing on the endless legalistic minutiae concerning self defense with guns? Immigrants doing the work Americans wont do?

    * Lethal Force Institute's logo is Zoroaster's wings. Colors are blue and white, like UN and Israel flag.
  113. @peterAUS
    No.

    You prefer to resolve fundamental issues in the eternal game of power without using physical violence. It simply doesn't work that way, especially in the current paradigm.
    As long as you understand that limitation it's fine. As long as people communicating with you understand the same it's O.K.
    People like you are good at explaining what's wrong with the current state, and it stops there.

    That's on the positive side.

    On the negative: as long as people believe in that delusion they aren't really doing anything to resolve the problem. And that could....hehe...be an issue. Time.
    While "we" are blabbing about the problem "they" are doing their stuff, enforcing their positions.
    I am quite sure that Whites in S.A. don't need any explaining anymore. And they can, among themselves, blab all day about it. Doing something about it is another matter altogether.

    I have no illusions whatsoever "we" are going to win this. My estimate, 90/10, "we" will lose.
    The foreseeable future, most likely, will be Brasilian type of society, with strong Panopticon and structural, state-enforced anti-white bias.
    That 10 % is interesting, though. Humans are hard to predict.

    You and your types do what you think it's best.
    Same applies to mine.
    Free will and such.

    People like you are good at explaining what’s wrong with the current state, and it stops there.

    Not always, sometimes they come up with a way forward.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Not always, sometimes they come up with a way forward.
     
    Names?
  114. @peterAUS
    An excellent comment, for several reasons.

    One of them as part of the selection process when talking about guns. Simple question: "Heard of Massad Ayoob"? Talk/try to explain/ignore.

    On a practical side, though, I am not quite sure how even Massad would fare in the current paradigm should he shoot..say....four antifas from a bunch of 12, trying to assault him.
    Hehe....when to draw?
    O.K. being of a Syrian descent could help, I guess.

    Still, a man, into guns...shooting at state protected sacred species. Would be tough.

    I’m not a bigot or anything, but…

    Europeans invented guns. Europeans invented smokeless powder. An American invented the revolver. A Mormon invented the fully semi-automatic assault machine gun.

    Why should a guy from the Middle East* whose Arabic name sounds like “Mossad boob” to our English ears make a comfortable living off the white conservative demographic writing articles and books and lecturing on the endless legalistic minutiae concerning self defense with guns? Immigrants doing the work Americans wont do?

    * Lethal Force Institute’s logo is Zoroaster’s wings. Colors are blue and white, like UN and Israel flag.

  115. @iffen
    People like you are good at explaining what’s wrong with the current state, and it stops there.

    Not always, sometimes they come up with a way forward.

    Not always, sometimes they come up with a way forward.

    Names?

    • Replies: @iffen
    Gandhi, MLK
  116. Come on, nobody here’s interested in being a paladin since they got rid of the racial restrictions.

    (if you got that, you were a virgin in high school…)

  117. @peterAUS

    Not always, sometimes they come up with a way forward.
     
    Names?

    Gandhi, MLK

  118. Interesting seminal organization springing out of this incident–or at least using this incident as an impetus. Worth checking out, I think:

    https://publiuslex.com/

    • Agree: Mr. Rational

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