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Joe Biden reacts to half a minute of Kamala Harris looking right at him as she waves her hands and scolds by… staring ahead and smirking. For a laugh, mute this video clip and then watch from 1:15 to 1:40. No thanks!

His reaction is one many men watching the exchange can relate to, and it doesn’t bode well for Harris. Who wants a harridan harping at them day in and day out for the next four, eight, or forty-eight years? I’m beginning to think there aren’t many–not enough to make it happen, anyway.

More troubling for Harris’ prospects are just how stubbornly supportive Biden’s black support is. YouGov released another poll today showing Biden’s continued dominance among black voters. Among those who plan to vote in their states’ primaries next year, black support for the top candidates breaks down as follows:

Biden — 45%
Harris — 12%
Warren — 8%
Sanders — 6%

Only 22% of black respondents say they “don’t know” what their opinion of Harris is. For Biden, Warren, and Sanders the figures are 13%, 24%, and 16%, respectively. Most blacks know who all of these candidates are, yet Harris still can’t make a dent in Biden’s black support, let alone kick off a preference cascade.

This is quite alarming for her prospects–and correspondingly good for his. If Harris is unable to become the black candidate, Biden will enjoy the honor. Neither Sanders nor Warren have a chance in hell of taking it from him. While it’s conceivable former president Obama endorses Harris before the primaries are over if she is running competitively, it is virtually unthinkable that he endorses Sanders or Warren over Biden.

 
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  1. Way back in 2012, Biden was incredibly rude when he debated Paul Ryan. At the time, I thought it was bad technique – but I’m not sure now, even putting aside that it was the VP debate. Probably doesn’t matter in partisan politics. Not sure about a primary.

    Still, having seen some of those Biden creep clips, I can’t help but make parallels. I mean, I haven’t tortured myself by watching the Dem debates, but in 2012, he seemed a man without boundaries.

    I think this same phenomenon applies to all pols to various degrees. It is an object of deep fascination to me, like when Bush put his hands on Merkel, or when Putin made that little boy cry.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Way back in 2012, Biden was incredibly rude when he debated Paul Ryan. At the time, I thought it was bad technique – but I’m not sure now, even putting aside that it was the VP debate. Probably doesn’t matter in partisan politics. Not sure about a primary.

     

    To break with proper manners and display rudeness in raw form is a signal to your people that you will fight for them and you will fight side by side with them.

    Paul Ryan is such a disgusting Republican Party pissant politician whore that it seems almost impossible to insult him by being rude to him. Donor whore Paul Ryan has neither honor nor decency nor any sense of nobility. Joe Biden is a disgusting rancid donor whore himself, but Biden does the black-hearted politican whore bit with full gusto. Paul Ryan just shows a bit of skirt and some phony, fraudulent Wisconsin aw-shucks sweetheart whore act.

    To be rude could also mean to be red in tooth and claw and bloody-minded and willing to wave through blood for your people.

    Haugh's o'Cromdale lyrics -- rude in bold:

    We were in bed, sir, every man,
    When the English host upon us came,
    A bloody battle then began,
    Upon the Haughs of Cromdale.
    The English horse they were so rude,
    They bath'd their hooves in Highland blood,
    But our brave clans, they boldly stood
    Upon the Haughs of Cromdale.

    https://youtu.be/M6v1oD_pF-k
  2. Kamala Harris will be remembered for putting 1500 weed smokers in jail and then smirking about smoking marijuana herself

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  3. Didn’t watch the debate but I’m hearing Booker was strong, if true that would be more bad new for Harris.

  4. I have been skeptical of Harris’s ability to attract black support, because she is half-Indian and is married to a Jew.

    Obama knew what he had to do to attract black political support and parted ways with his white/Asian academic girlfriend and married a “real” black woman.

    It’s hard not to think that you are what you choose (to marry). By the way, her sister, Maya, married a black man.

    There is also the children angle. Obama’s children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle’s genetics, of course). Harris, if she had any, would have had 1/4 black children, but, alas, she only has Jewish stepchildren by marriage.

    Her personal story just doesn’t jive with wanting to be black or be for blacks.

    Apparently, Biden being the lackey of “America’s first black president” is enough for many blacks.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Harris's strength is with college educated white women

    Especially out west
    , @Lot
    Harris seems a lot more like an UMC black american woman than an Indian in appearance, first and last name, voice, and general presentation.

    It was really at this debate that I realized she also has a very Hillary speaking style and facial mannerisms. Aside from content, both KH and HRC both do a thing where they rapidly go from low pitch to high pitch, with no middle pitch in between. Warren, by contrast, has a more limited pitch range.

    This was also my first time listening to Booker for more than a 30 seconds, and he comes off as very gay. In particuar, he really extends his s sounds and does some sort of near-lisp of them. I tried to figure out exactly what he was doing, and I think he's inhaling rather than exhaling on his s words. The sound of inhaling air touching the teeth while saying "system" and other s words gives a semi-lisp sound.

    More gay signals are his eyes are very open, eyebrows way up, and a giant smile all the time.

    Do I think he's actully gay? Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise. But I think Americans would prefer a gay with a straight voice like Mayor Buttman over a straight with a gay voice and mannerisms.
    , @Realist

    Obama’s children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle’s genetics, of course).
     
    Michelle and the children are pretty light shined. I doubt Michelle is 100% black.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    I made my stand alone comment before reading yours, but buy a lotto ticket, because we actually agree about something.

    I would also add that Komodo's affair with Willie Brown might even backfire with slave descended blacks , especially black women. They might consider her a white(ish) homewrecker/man thief, in a similar way black female jurists viewed Nicole Brown.
  5. I’m not as convinced that Harris is out. Obama’s first couple debates had poor performance and studies do show that blacks are really into black candidates over whites within party regardless of views. See Gillum in 2018 Florida

    Booker will probably end up helping her by pulling black vote from Biden.

    Still I think the real winner of the debates was Elizabeth Warren

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Still I think the real winner of the debates was Elizabeth Warren
     
    I hope so. Harris or Warren improves Trump's chances. Biden lowers them.
    , @Justvisiting
    Harris made a tactical error by going after Biden on health care issues.

    She is smart and fanatical and will learn to focus on her strength--fighting black woman vs evil racist old man.

    _Then_ she will get the black vote and beat Biden.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I'm not convinced that she is out, either. Biden could beat her. I don't think anybody else has a chance. If they do, the political dynamic on the Democrat side will have shifted significantly from what it has been since 2007. Twinkie has predicted here that this will be the election such a shift happens. We'll see.
  6. @Twinkie
    I have been skeptical of Harris's ability to attract black support, because she is half-Indian and is married to a Jew.

    Obama knew what he had to do to attract black political support and parted ways with his white/Asian academic girlfriend and married a "real" black woman.

    It's hard not to think that you are what you choose (to marry). By the way, her sister, Maya, married a black man.

    There is also the children angle. Obama's children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle's genetics, of course). Harris, if she had any, would have had 1/4 black children, but, alas, she only has Jewish stepchildren by marriage.

    Her personal story just doesn't jive with wanting to be black or be for blacks.

    Apparently, Biden being the lackey of "America's first black president" is enough for many blacks.

    Harris’s strength is with college educated white women

    Especially out west

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Harris’s strength is with college educated white women

    Especially out west
     
    You mean the kind of women who can see themselves marrying prominent Jewish lawyers? ;)
  7. @Oblivionrecurs
    I'm not as convinced that Harris is out. Obama's first couple debates had poor performance and studies do show that blacks are really into black candidates over whites within party regardless of views. See Gillum in 2018 Florida

    Booker will probably end up helping her by pulling black vote from Biden.

    Still I think the real winner of the debates was Elizabeth Warren

    Still I think the real winner of the debates was Elizabeth Warren

    I hope so. Harris or Warren improves Trump’s chances. Biden lowers them.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Lot
    I think Harris would be very weak, but I don't know if Warren would do worse than Biden.

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn't campaign much and avoids interviews.

    I think either one of them would likely beat Trump, and on balance Warren would be roughly as strong as Biden. Another marginal Warren advantage is that she'd minimize the Green Party vote, perhaps losing 0.3% of the vote less than Biden to them, or even more if she demotivates their ballot access volunteer work causing them to appear on fewer ballots.

    Biden will likely feel the need to have a WOC VP pick, such as Stacy Abrams. That will hurt him with WWC voters in swing states. Warren will be free, however, to tap the larger pool of white guys for VP, possibly Sherrod Brown, who wins Ohio by a big margin against well funded GOP opponents.

  8. @Oblivionrecurs
    Harris's strength is with college educated white women

    Especially out west

    Harris’s strength is with college educated white women

    Especially out west

    You mean the kind of women who can see themselves marrying prominent Jewish lawyers? 😉

  9. @Twinkie
    I have been skeptical of Harris's ability to attract black support, because she is half-Indian and is married to a Jew.

    Obama knew what he had to do to attract black political support and parted ways with his white/Asian academic girlfriend and married a "real" black woman.

    It's hard not to think that you are what you choose (to marry). By the way, her sister, Maya, married a black man.

    There is also the children angle. Obama's children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle's genetics, of course). Harris, if she had any, would have had 1/4 black children, but, alas, she only has Jewish stepchildren by marriage.

    Her personal story just doesn't jive with wanting to be black or be for blacks.

    Apparently, Biden being the lackey of "America's first black president" is enough for many blacks.

    Harris seems a lot more like an UMC black american woman than an Indian in appearance, first and last name, voice, and general presentation.

    It was really at this debate that I realized she also has a very Hillary speaking style and facial mannerisms. Aside from content, both KH and HRC both do a thing where they rapidly go from low pitch to high pitch, with no middle pitch in between. Warren, by contrast, has a more limited pitch range.

    This was also my first time listening to Booker for more than a 30 seconds, and he comes off as very gay. In particuar, he really extends his s sounds and does some sort of near-lisp of them. I tried to figure out exactly what he was doing, and I think he’s inhaling rather than exhaling on his s words. The sound of inhaling air touching the teeth while saying “system” and other s words gives a semi-lisp sound.

    More gay signals are his eyes are very open, eyebrows way up, and a giant smile all the time.

    Do I think he’s actully gay? Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise. But I think Americans would prefer a gay with a straight voice like Mayor Buttman over a straight with a gay voice and mannerisms.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Realist

    Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise.
     
    Not true, a gay from my old neighborhood played college football.
    , @iffen
    facial mannerisms.

    Her face also looks a bit like Elsie the Cow.
    , @Thulean Friend
    High IQ political analysis.
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise.

     

    Not necessarily true.

    The idiot state rep from Philadelphia, Brian Sims (sodomite who shouted obscenities at anti-abortion protesters), brags constantly about having captained his college football team at Bloomsburg University.

    , @Dacian Julien Soros
    I agree with the hetero American football thing. I mean, what sort of gay would tolerate a sport where you do nothing most of the time, and, every minute, some colleague congratulates you by slapping your spandex-clad gluteus?
  10. 10 days ago I wrote here:

    “I am long Biden and Warren, short Kamala and Yang.”

    Since then: Biden + 5, Warren + 1, Kamala -3, Yang no change

    I still believe this:

    Going long Biden the poll leader at only 20 seems like a no-brainer to me. Moreover, he consistently polls the best against Trump. If I were a partisan Dem, he would be my obvious choice.

    I think Dems want to win too much to nominate a black woman. Her fundraising is also weak and she isn’t radical enough to get a lot of volunteer energy. She also polls even or behind in head to head against Trump while Biden is +8 to 10.

    Warren has the largest Iowa operation by far, and it is working. If she beats Biden there, and suddenly the entire left could unite behind her as the Biden alternative. Then NH is next, right next to her home state and very well educated with few blacks. If she starts looking like a winner, blacks will desert Biden if he loses Iowa and NH to Warren.

    I think the best highlight of the debate was Tulsi attacking Kamala for locking up 1500 people for marijuana. That seems unlikely to be true, but it stung and Kamala look wounded and then sputtered.

  11. @Twinkie

    Still I think the real winner of the debates was Elizabeth Warren
     
    I hope so. Harris or Warren improves Trump's chances. Biden lowers them.

    I think Harris would be very weak, but I don’t know if Warren would do worse than Biden.

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn’t campaign much and avoids interviews.

    I think either one of them would likely beat Trump, and on balance Warren would be roughly as strong as Biden. Another marginal Warren advantage is that she’d minimize the Green Party vote, perhaps losing 0.3% of the vote less than Biden to them, or even more if she demotivates their ballot access volunteer work causing them to appear on fewer ballots.

    Biden will likely feel the need to have a WOC VP pick, such as Stacy Abrams. That will hurt him with WWC voters in swing states. Warren will be free, however, to tap the larger pool of white guys for VP, possibly Sherrod Brown, who wins Ohio by a big margin against well funded GOP opponents.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn’t campaign much and avoids interviews.
     
    Agree. Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51N4Pa-f9EL._SX325_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
    , @Oblivionrecurs
    Biden just has that broad Midwest white male appeal that i haven't seen with any other candidate. He is the only candidate who can offset Trump at the EC
    , @follyofwar
    If old man Biden, who will be 78 on election day (thus quite likely to die before his term is over) picks Stacy Abrams to be his running mate, then we'll know for sure that the man is senile and actually wants to lose. Just look at the woman! Insane McCain destroyed what little chance he had when he picked know-nothing Alaska governor Sarah Palin, but at least she was somewhat pleasant to look at. Joe would be much better off picking Beyoncé.
  12. While it’s conceivable former president Obama endorses Harris before the primaries are over…

    I don’t think Obama will endorse anyone from this shitshow — maybe not even after the nomination — my impression of Obama is that he doesn’t think he owes the Democratic party anything — to him it’s (still) the other way around; always has been, always will be.

  13. Camela Harlot vs Tulsi Gabbard. Why is it even a question?

  14. It should be clear to all by now that “YouGov polling” is about as legitimate as the WMD’s in Iraq.

    We live, today, in an empire of fraud, controlled by our “ruling elites” who, by lying us into illegal war have bankrupted the entire nation.

    Unfortunately, the trillions they pocketed in the process is being used to buy out not just every candidate on the circuit …..but every single “independent poll ” indicating “who is, and is not , on top”.

    YouGov, just like Joe Biden, is a “bought and paid for tool” of our corporate elites.

    The idea that “blacks” like him….is a total farce.

    The Entire DNC has about as much integrity left as a one ply tissue soaked in donkey pee.

    Their polling data is just as “moist and stinky”.

    It’s tragic, ….it truly is…

    The whole darn thing.

    • Replies: @eah
    The idea that “blacks” like him….is a total farce.

    I have trouble believing that too -- what's to like about 'creepy Joe'? -- except maybe his association with Obama.

    It’s tragic, ….it truly is…The whole darn thing.

    Absolutely -- every day I'm asking myself: What the fuck happened? -- how did the political situation in the US get to be this dismal?

    The US need an AfA = Alternative for America party.
    , @Pericles

    The idea that “blacks” like him….is a total farce.

     

    It could be that the only name they recognize when asked is Biden's.

    And who knows if they will actually go and vote for him when the time comes.
    , @dfordoom

    It should be clear to all by now that “YouGov polling” is about as legitimate as the WMD’s in Iraq.
     
    Don't they do their polling online? Which means it's pretty much worthless. I have no idea why people still take this kind of polling seriously.
  15. @Twinkie
    I have been skeptical of Harris's ability to attract black support, because she is half-Indian and is married to a Jew.

    Obama knew what he had to do to attract black political support and parted ways with his white/Asian academic girlfriend and married a "real" black woman.

    It's hard not to think that you are what you choose (to marry). By the way, her sister, Maya, married a black man.

    There is also the children angle. Obama's children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle's genetics, of course). Harris, if she had any, would have had 1/4 black children, but, alas, she only has Jewish stepchildren by marriage.

    Her personal story just doesn't jive with wanting to be black or be for blacks.

    Apparently, Biden being the lackey of "America's first black president" is enough for many blacks.

    Obama’s children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle’s genetics, of course).

    Michelle and the children are pretty light shined. I doubt Michelle is 100% black.

    • Replies: @Lot
    The Obama daughters look kind of Somali or Ethiopian.
  16. @Lot
    Harris seems a lot more like an UMC black american woman than an Indian in appearance, first and last name, voice, and general presentation.

    It was really at this debate that I realized she also has a very Hillary speaking style and facial mannerisms. Aside from content, both KH and HRC both do a thing where they rapidly go from low pitch to high pitch, with no middle pitch in between. Warren, by contrast, has a more limited pitch range.

    This was also my first time listening to Booker for more than a 30 seconds, and he comes off as very gay. In particuar, he really extends his s sounds and does some sort of near-lisp of them. I tried to figure out exactly what he was doing, and I think he's inhaling rather than exhaling on his s words. The sound of inhaling air touching the teeth while saying "system" and other s words gives a semi-lisp sound.

    More gay signals are his eyes are very open, eyebrows way up, and a giant smile all the time.

    Do I think he's actully gay? Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise. But I think Americans would prefer a gay with a straight voice like Mayor Buttman over a straight with a gay voice and mannerisms.

    Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise.

    Not true, a gay from my old neighborhood played college football.

  17. @alexander
    It should be clear to all by now that "YouGov polling" is about as legitimate as the WMD's in Iraq.

    We live, today, in an empire of fraud, controlled by our "ruling elites" who, by lying us into illegal war have bankrupted the entire nation.

    Unfortunately, the trillions they pocketed in the process is being used to buy out not just every candidate on the circuit .....but every single "independent poll " indicating "who is, and is not , on top".

    YouGov, just like Joe Biden, is a "bought and paid for tool" of our corporate elites.

    The idea that "blacks" like him....is a total farce.

    The Entire DNC has about as much integrity left as a one ply tissue soaked in donkey pee.

    Their polling data is just as "moist and stinky".

    It's tragic, ....it truly is...

    The whole darn thing.

    The idea that “blacks” like him….is a total farce.

    I have trouble believing that too — what’s to like about ‘creepy Joe’? — except maybe his association with Obama.

    It’s tragic, ….it truly is…The whole darn thing.

    Absolutely — every day I’m asking myself: What the fuck happened? — how did the political situation in the US get to be this dismal?

    The US need an AfA = Alternative for America party.

    • Replies: @neutral

    Absolutely — every day I’m asking myself: What the fuck happened? — how did the political situation in the US get to be this dismal?
     
    Who was behind the creation of the US central bank in 1913, the immigration act of 1965, the push to wage war against Germany in WW2? Identify the (((who))) and that will explain how it got this dismal.
  18. What is key is the mix of black men versus black women who turn out to vote for the primaries. Black men tend to be less politically engaged, but they are also far less likely to vote for a woman. Given the choice to vote for a scolding upper class blackish woman and Average Joe, I would guess black men would favor the latter. Black women will probably be strong for Harris, but are also receptive to other women candidates so they might spread their votes around in the early primaries.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    Why is it then, that darker skinned Black men prefer lighter skinned (the lighter the better) women? I suspect Black women see Harris as competition, but at the end of the day, if it's Harris against anyone else, they will go with Harris, who is more "Black" than the Whitey's pretending they care about Blacks.
  19. @Lot
    Harris seems a lot more like an UMC black american woman than an Indian in appearance, first and last name, voice, and general presentation.

    It was really at this debate that I realized she also has a very Hillary speaking style and facial mannerisms. Aside from content, both KH and HRC both do a thing where they rapidly go from low pitch to high pitch, with no middle pitch in between. Warren, by contrast, has a more limited pitch range.

    This was also my first time listening to Booker for more than a 30 seconds, and he comes off as very gay. In particuar, he really extends his s sounds and does some sort of near-lisp of them. I tried to figure out exactly what he was doing, and I think he's inhaling rather than exhaling on his s words. The sound of inhaling air touching the teeth while saying "system" and other s words gives a semi-lisp sound.

    More gay signals are his eyes are very open, eyebrows way up, and a giant smile all the time.

    Do I think he's actully gay? Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise. But I think Americans would prefer a gay with a straight voice like Mayor Buttman over a straight with a gay voice and mannerisms.

    facial mannerisms.

    Her face also looks a bit like Elsie the Cow.

  20. @eah
    The idea that “blacks” like him….is a total farce.

    I have trouble believing that too -- what's to like about 'creepy Joe'? -- except maybe his association with Obama.

    It’s tragic, ….it truly is…The whole darn thing.

    Absolutely -- every day I'm asking myself: What the fuck happened? -- how did the political situation in the US get to be this dismal?

    The US need an AfA = Alternative for America party.

    Absolutely — every day I’m asking myself: What the fuck happened? — how did the political situation in the US get to be this dismal?

    Who was behind the creation of the US central bank in 1913, the immigration act of 1965, the push to wage war against Germany in WW2? Identify the (((who))) and that will explain how it got this dismal.

    • Replies: @eah
    Believe me, I know all about that, and have no doubt that fiat money, which means the government has, for all practical purposes, as much money as it can spend available to it, has helped to make "career politicians" out of "public servants", and broken any real connection they have or felt with ordinary working people.

    But I also think the situation is a lot more complicated than just that.
  21. @Lot
    Harris seems a lot more like an UMC black american woman than an Indian in appearance, first and last name, voice, and general presentation.

    It was really at this debate that I realized she also has a very Hillary speaking style and facial mannerisms. Aside from content, both KH and HRC both do a thing where they rapidly go from low pitch to high pitch, with no middle pitch in between. Warren, by contrast, has a more limited pitch range.

    This was also my first time listening to Booker for more than a 30 seconds, and he comes off as very gay. In particuar, he really extends his s sounds and does some sort of near-lisp of them. I tried to figure out exactly what he was doing, and I think he's inhaling rather than exhaling on his s words. The sound of inhaling air touching the teeth while saying "system" and other s words gives a semi-lisp sound.

    More gay signals are his eyes are very open, eyebrows way up, and a giant smile all the time.

    Do I think he's actully gay? Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise. But I think Americans would prefer a gay with a straight voice like Mayor Buttman over a straight with a gay voice and mannerisms.

    High IQ political analysis.

  22. @neutral

    Absolutely — every day I’m asking myself: What the fuck happened? — how did the political situation in the US get to be this dismal?
     
    Who was behind the creation of the US central bank in 1913, the immigration act of 1965, the push to wage war against Germany in WW2? Identify the (((who))) and that will explain how it got this dismal.

    Believe me, I know all about that, and have no doubt that fiat money, which means the government has, for all practical purposes, as much money as it can spend available to it, has helped to make “career politicians” out of “public servants”, and broken any real connection they have or felt with ordinary working people.

    But I also think the situation is a lot more complicated than just that.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon

    ...that fiat money, which means the government has, for all practical purposes, as much money as it can spend available to it,...
     
    Yes, and no. In countries that had government owned central banks, not signed on to the Bank of International Settlements, the central bank was used to borrow, interest free, against anticipated revenue during the next fiscal year. The government also has/had direct control over interest rates of the central bank, which was used to prevent banks gouging.
    Using the Bank of Canada as an example, prior to joining the BIS in 1974, there were relatively small annual deficits and debt. Today, more than 85% of Canada's now massive sovereign debt is directly attributable to the accumulated interest of government borrowing at interest. For the US, I suspect the percentage would be no less. While a debt of $3 - 4T is still a whole pile of cash, it's a lot less daunting than $23T. Governments (or anyone) continually borrowing at interest over the long term, produces the law of diminishing returns to the detriment of all.
    If the Fed were nationalized, the US government could borrow at no interest against anticipated revenue, and control interest rates to the benefit of US companies. That would create the situation you describe, but only so far as the anticipated revenue would take it.
  23. @Oblivionrecurs
    I'm not as convinced that Harris is out. Obama's first couple debates had poor performance and studies do show that blacks are really into black candidates over whites within party regardless of views. See Gillum in 2018 Florida

    Booker will probably end up helping her by pulling black vote from Biden.

    Still I think the real winner of the debates was Elizabeth Warren

    Harris made a tactical error by going after Biden on health care issues.

    She is smart and fanatical and will learn to focus on her strength–fighting black woman vs evil racist old man.

    _Then_ she will get the black vote and beat Biden.

  24. AE, this is OT, but very interesting IMO.

    https://thriveglobal.com/stories/good-sleep-kindness-compassion-sleep-deprivation-loneliness-science/amp/

    It occurs to me that baby-related sleep deprivation probably has a lot to do with divorce rates. People wind up not recognizing the person they’re married to because they’re not themselves. I would imagine even a relatively small change in sleep patterns could have major personality consequences.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Don't have babies so you won't get a divorce.

    Wait, if there are no babies, why not get as many divorces as you want?

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LDKDzwI7ewE/hqdefault.jpg
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Interesting. Our first was the most stressful because we approached her sleep in the worst way--in crib early, but not enough self-soothing. Nothing remotely like divorce was on the table, but our relationship frayed more than with the others.
  25. @Lot
    I think Harris would be very weak, but I don't know if Warren would do worse than Biden.

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn't campaign much and avoids interviews.

    I think either one of them would likely beat Trump, and on balance Warren would be roughly as strong as Biden. Another marginal Warren advantage is that she'd minimize the Green Party vote, perhaps losing 0.3% of the vote less than Biden to them, or even more if she demotivates their ballot access volunteer work causing them to appear on fewer ballots.

    Biden will likely feel the need to have a WOC VP pick, such as Stacy Abrams. That will hurt him with WWC voters in swing states. Warren will be free, however, to tap the larger pool of white guys for VP, possibly Sherrod Brown, who wins Ohio by a big margin against well funded GOP opponents.

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn’t campaign much and avoids interviews.

    Agree. Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    • Replies: @eah
    Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her -- but in America 2.0 mediocrity rules and apparently any hack can run for President.

    Gillibrand piously offering to explain 'white privilege' must have been enough to make even those with a strong stomach retch -- someone should have rushed the stage and strangled that bitch.
    , @SFG
    LOL. She keeps getting in trouble for that book, what with it pointing out the downside of women in the workforce.

    Of course, she's right.

    Her personal finance book wasn't awful either.
  26. @Lot
    Harris seems a lot more like an UMC black american woman than an Indian in appearance, first and last name, voice, and general presentation.

    It was really at this debate that I realized she also has a very Hillary speaking style and facial mannerisms. Aside from content, both KH and HRC both do a thing where they rapidly go from low pitch to high pitch, with no middle pitch in between. Warren, by contrast, has a more limited pitch range.

    This was also my first time listening to Booker for more than a 30 seconds, and he comes off as very gay. In particuar, he really extends his s sounds and does some sort of near-lisp of them. I tried to figure out exactly what he was doing, and I think he's inhaling rather than exhaling on his s words. The sound of inhaling air touching the teeth while saying "system" and other s words gives a semi-lisp sound.

    More gay signals are his eyes are very open, eyebrows way up, and a giant smile all the time.

    Do I think he's actully gay? Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise. But I think Americans would prefer a gay with a straight voice like Mayor Buttman over a straight with a gay voice and mannerisms.

    Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise.

    Not necessarily true.

    The idiot state rep from Philadelphia, Brian Sims (sodomite who shouted obscenities at anti-abortion protesters), brags constantly about having captained his college football team at Bloomsburg University.

  27. @Rosie
    AE, this is OT, but very interesting IMO.

    https://thriveglobal.com/stories/good-sleep-kindness-compassion-sleep-deprivation-loneliness-science/amp/

    It occurs to me that baby-related sleep deprivation probably has a lot to do with divorce rates. People wind up not recognizing the person they're married to because they're not themselves. I would imagine even a relatively small change in sleep patterns could have major personality consequences.

    Don’t have babies so you won’t get a divorce.

    Wait, if there are no babies, why not get as many divorces as you want?

    • Replies: @Rosie


    Don’t have babies so you won’t get a divorce.
     
    Or maybe spouses can make it a point to be more understanding about the consequences of sleep deprivation?
  28. @Lot
    Harris seems a lot more like an UMC black american woman than an Indian in appearance, first and last name, voice, and general presentation.

    It was really at this debate that I realized she also has a very Hillary speaking style and facial mannerisms. Aside from content, both KH and HRC both do a thing where they rapidly go from low pitch to high pitch, with no middle pitch in between. Warren, by contrast, has a more limited pitch range.

    This was also my first time listening to Booker for more than a 30 seconds, and he comes off as very gay. In particuar, he really extends his s sounds and does some sort of near-lisp of them. I tried to figure out exactly what he was doing, and I think he's inhaling rather than exhaling on his s words. The sound of inhaling air touching the teeth while saying "system" and other s words gives a semi-lisp sound.

    More gay signals are his eyes are very open, eyebrows way up, and a giant smile all the time.

    Do I think he's actully gay? Probably not, since only ~1 in 35 or so men are, and his playing college football is a big tell otherwise. But I think Americans would prefer a gay with a straight voice like Mayor Buttman over a straight with a gay voice and mannerisms.

    I agree with the hetero American football thing. I mean, what sort of gay would tolerate a sport where you do nothing most of the time, and, every minute, some colleague congratulates you by slapping your spandex-clad gluteus?

  29. @iffen
    Don't have babies so you won't get a divorce.

    Wait, if there are no babies, why not get as many divorces as you want?

    Don’t have babies so you won’t get a divorce.

    Or maybe spouses can make it a point to be more understanding about the consequences of sleep deprivation?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    The truth is, this goes to the heart of what I think is so wrong with the manosphere. Their basic question is this: Why should I get married and have a family. It is a very self-centered posture, just like radical feminism. When everyday married life with children turns out to be something less than a bed of Rose's, they're ready to bolt.

    What (bourgeois) manosphere guys want:

    https://youtu.be/0mg4NtME0CU
  30. @Rosie


    Don’t have babies so you won’t get a divorce.
     
    Or maybe spouses can make it a point to be more understanding about the consequences of sleep deprivation?

    The truth is, this goes to the heart of what I think is so wrong with the manosphere. Their basic question is this: Why should I get married and have a family. It is a very self-centered posture, just like radical feminism. When everyday married life with children turns out to be something less than a bed of Rose’s, they’re ready to bolt.

    What (bourgeois) manosphere guys want:

    • Replies: @iffen
    Why should I get married and have a family.

    Excellent question.
    , @Justvisiting
    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child custody.

    But, you are correct--survival instincts are indeed "self-centered".

    I totally support the concept of marriage and families--but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.
  31. @Rosie
    The truth is, this goes to the heart of what I think is so wrong with the manosphere. Their basic question is this: Why should I get married and have a family. It is a very self-centered posture, just like radical feminism. When everyday married life with children turns out to be something less than a bed of Rose's, they're ready to bolt.

    What (bourgeois) manosphere guys want:

    https://youtu.be/0mg4NtME0CU

    Why should I get married and have a family.

    Excellent question.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Why should I get married and have a family.

    Excellent question.
     

    Because what's the point of it all, anyway?


    https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/0*mZ97Rnjxrj_JXnet.png

  32. @alexander
    It should be clear to all by now that "YouGov polling" is about as legitimate as the WMD's in Iraq.

    We live, today, in an empire of fraud, controlled by our "ruling elites" who, by lying us into illegal war have bankrupted the entire nation.

    Unfortunately, the trillions they pocketed in the process is being used to buy out not just every candidate on the circuit .....but every single "independent poll " indicating "who is, and is not , on top".

    YouGov, just like Joe Biden, is a "bought and paid for tool" of our corporate elites.

    The idea that "blacks" like him....is a total farce.

    The Entire DNC has about as much integrity left as a one ply tissue soaked in donkey pee.

    Their polling data is just as "moist and stinky".

    It's tragic, ....it truly is...

    The whole darn thing.

    The idea that “blacks” like him….is a total farce.

    It could be that the only name they recognize when asked is Biden’s.

    And who knows if they will actually go and vote for him when the time comes.

  33. @iffen
    Why should I get married and have a family.

    Excellent question.

    Why should I get married and have a family.

    Excellent question.

    Because what’s the point of it all, anyway?

  34. My guess, without looking at any data, is black women just don’t like Harris. Obama turned out huge numbers of black women, who looked at him as the ideal black male. He was a role model for their black sons or at least they hoped.

    Harris is a familiar character for black women. That character is common in the black community. There’s nothing aspirational about her. Biden, in contrast, in addition to having supported Obama, is sort of the idealized white guy for black women. The nice old man who treats them fair.

    I think Harris is done. Her World Star Hip Hop act last night was terrible. Gabbard’s attack was ruthless and effective. My guess is her money people stop taking her calls soon. They may shift to Spartacus or just wait to see if Joe dies this fall, before declaring.

    The better markets show Harris taking a tumble with Creepy Uncle Joe getting a bump. Fake Indian is right there behind Biden. https://electionbettingodds.com/

  35. @Rosie
    The truth is, this goes to the heart of what I think is so wrong with the manosphere. Their basic question is this: Why should I get married and have a family. It is a very self-centered posture, just like radical feminism. When everyday married life with children turns out to be something less than a bed of Rose's, they're ready to bolt.

    What (bourgeois) manosphere guys want:

    https://youtu.be/0mg4NtME0CU

    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child custody.

    But, you are correct–survival instincts are indeed “self-centered”.

    I totally support the concept of marriage and families–but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child.
     
    What in particular would you suggest needs to be changed?

    It's ridiculous to claim that women are "encouraged to cheat on their husbands." I suppose its theoretically possible that some unscrupulous lawyers might "encourage" a woman to make false accusations to get custody, but such person would very likely lose their bar license upon getting caught.


    totally support the concept of marriage and families–but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.
     
    Shame on you. I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it's not risk-free. You're part of the problem.
    , @SFG
    Then what happens when he gets old? I'm not saying you're wrong, but the sword is double-edged.
    , @The Alarmist
    https://i.redd.it/00dzo9ml4ud31.png
  36. @Rosie

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn’t campaign much and avoids interviews.
     
    Agree. Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51N4Pa-f9EL._SX325_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her — but in America 2.0 mediocrity rules and apparently any hack can run for President.

    Gillibrand piously offering to explain ‘white privilege’ must have been enough to make even those with a strong stomach retch — someone should have rushed the stage and strangled that bitch.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her
     
    Yes, that was very unfortunate.
    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand/status/1157018505792892930
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Conversely, though, Trump has shown no hesitation to mock Warren as Fake Indian. She won't be able to land any blows on him about his putative racism because of how easy his dismissive responses will be.
  37. I had been predicting that Kamela Harris would be the Democratic nominee and the likely victor in 2020. But on the basis of her comportment, I’m reconsidering. She comes across as something between a common scold and an entitled woman of color. I think even blacks and especially the black men inclined to vote may get a bellyful of her very quickly.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    Didn't Mr. Audacious also predict that Kamala was going to be the nominee? Seems that he is having second thoughts, too.
  38. “More troubling for Harris’ prospects are just how stubbornly supportive Biden’s black support is. ”

    He was Obama’s organ grinder monkey and blacks remember it. To blacks in Atlanta and other places, Harris is some A-Little-Too-White-Looking stranger, with her straight hair, light skin, non Ebonics, and (((white husband))).

    I mentioned in comments after the first debate where Biden stood their and took her crap: He has every legitimate rhetorical prerequisite to firmly rebuke her if only he had the balls to. He’s the ONE white guy on that stage who could, but he just takes it. What a pathetic coward he is.

    Who Obama endorses will be interesting. If he had even a sickle cell’s worth of honor, he’d endorse Biden straight away. However we know he doesn’t, so he could very well endorse Komodo or even Booker, if Booker’s any good in the sack.

    Biden could probably get Obama to guarantee him his endorsement if Obama gets to pick Biden’s eventual black VP candidate.

  39. @Twinkie
    I have been skeptical of Harris's ability to attract black support, because she is half-Indian and is married to a Jew.

    Obama knew what he had to do to attract black political support and parted ways with his white/Asian academic girlfriend and married a "real" black woman.

    It's hard not to think that you are what you choose (to marry). By the way, her sister, Maya, married a black man.

    There is also the children angle. Obama's children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle's genetics, of course). Harris, if she had any, would have had 1/4 black children, but, alas, she only has Jewish stepchildren by marriage.

    Her personal story just doesn't jive with wanting to be black or be for blacks.

    Apparently, Biden being the lackey of "America's first black president" is enough for many blacks.

    I made my stand alone comment before reading yours, but buy a lotto ticket, because we actually agree about something.

    I would also add that Komodo’s affair with Willie Brown might even backfire with slave descended blacks , especially black women. They might consider her a white(ish) homewrecker/man thief, in a similar way black female jurists viewed Nicole Brown.

  40. @Rosie
    AE, this is OT, but very interesting IMO.

    https://thriveglobal.com/stories/good-sleep-kindness-compassion-sleep-deprivation-loneliness-science/amp/

    It occurs to me that baby-related sleep deprivation probably has a lot to do with divorce rates. People wind up not recognizing the person they're married to because they're not themselves. I would imagine even a relatively small change in sleep patterns could have major personality consequences.

  41. @Realist

    Obama’s children are around 3/4 black (depending on Michelle’s genetics, of course).
     
    Michelle and the children are pretty light shined. I doubt Michelle is 100% black.

    The Obama daughters look kind of Somali or Ethiopian.

    • Agree: Rosie
  42. @Lot
    I think Harris would be very weak, but I don't know if Warren would do worse than Biden.

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn't campaign much and avoids interviews.

    I think either one of them would likely beat Trump, and on balance Warren would be roughly as strong as Biden. Another marginal Warren advantage is that she'd minimize the Green Party vote, perhaps losing 0.3% of the vote less than Biden to them, or even more if she demotivates their ballot access volunteer work causing them to appear on fewer ballots.

    Biden will likely feel the need to have a WOC VP pick, such as Stacy Abrams. That will hurt him with WWC voters in swing states. Warren will be free, however, to tap the larger pool of white guys for VP, possibly Sherrod Brown, who wins Ohio by a big margin against well funded GOP opponents.

    Biden just has that broad Midwest white male appeal that i haven’t seen with any other candidate. He is the only candidate who can offset Trump at the EC

  43. @Arclight
    What is key is the mix of black men versus black women who turn out to vote for the primaries. Black men tend to be less politically engaged, but they are also far less likely to vote for a woman. Given the choice to vote for a scolding upper class blackish woman and Average Joe, I would guess black men would favor the latter. Black women will probably be strong for Harris, but are also receptive to other women candidates so they might spread their votes around in the early primaries.

    Why is it then, that darker skinned Black men prefer lighter skinned (the lighter the better) women? I suspect Black women see Harris as competition, but at the end of the day, if it’s Harris against anyone else, they will go with Harris, who is more “Black” than the Whitey’s pretending they care about Blacks.

  44. @eah
    Believe me, I know all about that, and have no doubt that fiat money, which means the government has, for all practical purposes, as much money as it can spend available to it, has helped to make "career politicians" out of "public servants", and broken any real connection they have or felt with ordinary working people.

    But I also think the situation is a lot more complicated than just that.

    …that fiat money, which means the government has, for all practical purposes, as much money as it can spend available to it,…

    Yes, and no. In countries that had government owned central banks, not signed on to the Bank of International Settlements, the central bank was used to borrow, interest free, against anticipated revenue during the next fiscal year. The government also has/had direct control over interest rates of the central bank, which was used to prevent banks gouging.
    Using the Bank of Canada as an example, prior to joining the BIS in 1974, there were relatively small annual deficits and debt. Today, more than 85% of Canada’s now massive sovereign debt is directly attributable to the accumulated interest of government borrowing at interest. For the US, I suspect the percentage would be no less. While a debt of $3 – 4T is still a whole pile of cash, it’s a lot less daunting than $23T. Governments (or anyone) continually borrowing at interest over the long term, produces the law of diminishing returns to the detriment of all.
    If the Fed were nationalized, the US government could borrow at no interest against anticipated revenue, and control interest rates to the benefit of US companies. That would create the situation you describe, but only so far as the anticipated revenue would take it.

    • Replies: @eah
    If the Fed were nationalized, the US government could borrow at no interest against anticipated revenue,...

    Yes, that would be an improvement -- but why does the federal government, which per the Constitution has the sole authority to issue money, have to borrow (eg to run a deficit)? -- and where does that money come from anyway? (rhetorical question) -- you are perhaps familiar with a well-know quote from Thomas Edison on this subject: he said it when commenting on the debt (bond) financing of a TVA project (back on those days the existence of the Federal Reserve was still rather controversial, more so than today) -- the current situation of piling up unpayable inter-generational debt with ever-growing interest payments is profoundly wrong -- immoral really.

    https://i.postimg.cc/7LQ79km6/edison-money-quote.png
  45. • Replies: @eah
    https://i.postimg.cc/L8Dq4yft/heartiste-michelle-obama.png
  46. @Curmudgeon

    ...that fiat money, which means the government has, for all practical purposes, as much money as it can spend available to it,...
     
    Yes, and no. In countries that had government owned central banks, not signed on to the Bank of International Settlements, the central bank was used to borrow, interest free, against anticipated revenue during the next fiscal year. The government also has/had direct control over interest rates of the central bank, which was used to prevent banks gouging.
    Using the Bank of Canada as an example, prior to joining the BIS in 1974, there were relatively small annual deficits and debt. Today, more than 85% of Canada's now massive sovereign debt is directly attributable to the accumulated interest of government borrowing at interest. For the US, I suspect the percentage would be no less. While a debt of $3 - 4T is still a whole pile of cash, it's a lot less daunting than $23T. Governments (or anyone) continually borrowing at interest over the long term, produces the law of diminishing returns to the detriment of all.
    If the Fed were nationalized, the US government could borrow at no interest against anticipated revenue, and control interest rates to the benefit of US companies. That would create the situation you describe, but only so far as the anticipated revenue would take it.

    If the Fed were nationalized, the US government could borrow at no interest against anticipated revenue,…

    Yes, that would be an improvement — but why does the federal government, which per the Constitution has the sole authority to issue money, have to borrow (eg to run a deficit)? — and where does that money come from anyway? (rhetorical question) — you are perhaps familiar with a well-know quote from Thomas Edison on this subject: he said it when commenting on the debt (bond) financing of a TVA project (back on those days the existence of the Federal Reserve was still rather controversial, more so than today) — the current situation of piling up unpayable inter-generational debt with ever-growing interest payments is profoundly wrong — immoral really.

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
    • Replies: @notanon

    If the nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also
     
    exactly - central banking is a scam

    it amazes me how people in the past understood this and yet we ended up with the exact opposite.

    (well it doesn't really amaze me as giving people a license to print money gives them a license to corrupt your political class)

    fiat currencies are backed by the state's ability to tax the citizens so the strength of a currency is effectively a proxy for a particular population's productivity - nations that don't suck have no need to borrow money at all.
  47. @Lot
    I think Harris would be very weak, but I don't know if Warren would do worse than Biden.

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn't campaign much and avoids interviews.

    I think either one of them would likely beat Trump, and on balance Warren would be roughly as strong as Biden. Another marginal Warren advantage is that she'd minimize the Green Party vote, perhaps losing 0.3% of the vote less than Biden to them, or even more if she demotivates their ballot access volunteer work causing them to appear on fewer ballots.

    Biden will likely feel the need to have a WOC VP pick, such as Stacy Abrams. That will hurt him with WWC voters in swing states. Warren will be free, however, to tap the larger pool of white guys for VP, possibly Sherrod Brown, who wins Ohio by a big margin against well funded GOP opponents.

    If old man Biden, who will be 78 on election day (thus quite likely to die before his term is over) picks Stacy Abrams to be his running mate, then we’ll know for sure that the man is senile and actually wants to lose. Just look at the woman! Insane McCain destroyed what little chance he had when he picked know-nothing Alaska governor Sarah Palin, but at least she was somewhat pleasant to look at. Joe would be much better off picking Beyoncé.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Abrams only lost by 1.4%. The prior two dems lost GA Gov by 7% in 2014 and 10% in 2010.

    She’s the daughter of a minister, writes novels, is moderate for a WOC politician, and is pleasant on TV.

    As far as Dem VP picks for Biden go, she’d be the best of the WOCs from what I can tell. Far better than Kamala.

  48. @songbird
    Way back in 2012, Biden was incredibly rude when he debated Paul Ryan. At the time, I thought it was bad technique - but I'm not sure now, even putting aside that it was the VP debate. Probably doesn't matter in partisan politics. Not sure about a primary.

    Still, having seen some of those Biden creep clips, I can't help but make parallels. I mean, I haven't tortured myself by watching the Dem debates, but in 2012, he seemed a man without boundaries.

    I think this same phenomenon applies to all pols to various degrees. It is an object of deep fascination to me, like when Bush put his hands on Merkel, or when Putin made that little boy cry.

    Way back in 2012, Biden was incredibly rude when he debated Paul Ryan. At the time, I thought it was bad technique – but I’m not sure now, even putting aside that it was the VP debate. Probably doesn’t matter in partisan politics. Not sure about a primary.

    To break with proper manners and display rudeness in raw form is a signal to your people that you will fight for them and you will fight side by side with them.

    Paul Ryan is such a disgusting Republican Party pissant politician whore that it seems almost impossible to insult him by being rude to him. Donor whore Paul Ryan has neither honor nor decency nor any sense of nobility. Joe Biden is a disgusting rancid donor whore himself, but Biden does the black-hearted politican whore bit with full gusto. Paul Ryan just shows a bit of skirt and some phony, fraudulent Wisconsin aw-shucks sweetheart whore act.

    To be rude could also mean to be red in tooth and claw and bloody-minded and willing to wave through blood for your people.

    Haugh’s o’Cromdale lyrics — rude in bold:

    We were in bed, sir, every man,
    When the English host upon us came,
    A bloody battle then began,
    Upon the Haughs of Cromdale.
    The English horse they were so rude,
    They bath’d their hooves in Highland blood,
    But our brave clans, they boldly stood
    Upon the Haughs of Cromdale.

    • Agree: songbird
  49. @Diversity Heretic
    I had been predicting that Kamela Harris would be the Democratic nominee and the likely victor in 2020. But on the basis of her comportment, I'm reconsidering. She comes across as something between a common scold and an entitled woman of color. I think even blacks and especially the black men inclined to vote may get a bellyful of her very quickly.

    Didn’t Mr. Audacious also predict that Kamala was going to be the nominee? Seems that he is having second thoughts, too.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I did and I am because polling is not showing that she is pulling the black vote even though 4-in-5 black voters have an opinion of her. That's not good. Obama was already dominating among black voters in the polls at this stage in 2007.
  50. Hate crime by a Hispanic that never made the news:
    https://innercitypress.blogspot.com/2019/08/in-sdny-ivan-nieves-detained-for.html

    SDNY COURTHOUSE, August 1 – Ivan Nieves was charged with vandalism and disorderly conduct for racist graffiti on the African Burial Ground, specifically with writing the N-word preceded by “Kill” on 1 November 2018 on a sign on Duane Street. After a nearly full day bench trial, Nieves was found guilty of vandalism, and not guilty of disorderly conduct. He was sentenced on July 18 to a month’s home confinement with a location monitoring bracelet.

  51. @alexander
    It should be clear to all by now that "YouGov polling" is about as legitimate as the WMD's in Iraq.

    We live, today, in an empire of fraud, controlled by our "ruling elites" who, by lying us into illegal war have bankrupted the entire nation.

    Unfortunately, the trillions they pocketed in the process is being used to buy out not just every candidate on the circuit .....but every single "independent poll " indicating "who is, and is not , on top".

    YouGov, just like Joe Biden, is a "bought and paid for tool" of our corporate elites.

    The idea that "blacks" like him....is a total farce.

    The Entire DNC has about as much integrity left as a one ply tissue soaked in donkey pee.

    Their polling data is just as "moist and stinky".

    It's tragic, ....it truly is...

    The whole darn thing.

    It should be clear to all by now that “YouGov polling” is about as legitimate as the WMD’s in Iraq.

    Don’t they do their polling online? Which means it’s pretty much worthless. I have no idea why people still take this kind of polling seriously.

    • Replies: @alexander
    I think a great number of Americans are waking up to the fact that a vast percentage of the polling data is concocted by our ruling class and their media outlets.

    It is done, to herd us, like cattle, toward their pre-selected favorite few.

    It is as creepy and sinister .....as it is...par for the course.
    , @Mr Puroik
    I'm pretty skeptical of polling in general, however it is my suspicion that online polling is actually better in a lot of ways than traditional polling since there's less compulsion to be 'politically correct' in an anonymous online setting than a traditional live telephone one. Online polls predicted Brexit whereas phone polls overwhelmingly showed 'Remain' winning.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    About half the polling outfits do theirs online now. The results do not vary from phone line polls.
  52. @Justvisiting
    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child custody.

    But, you are correct--survival instincts are indeed "self-centered".

    I totally support the concept of marriage and families--but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.

    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child.

    What in particular would you suggest needs to be changed?

    It’s ridiculous to claim that women are “encouraged to cheat on their husbands.” I suppose its theoretically possible that some unscrupulous lawyers might “encourage” a woman to make false accusations to get custody, but such person would very likely lose their bar license upon getting caught.

    totally support the concept of marriage and families–but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.

    Shame on you. I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it’s not risk-free. You’re part of the problem.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it’s not risk-free. You’re part of the problem.
     
    Neither would I--it is a great deal for women!
  53. @eah
    Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her -- but in America 2.0 mediocrity rules and apparently any hack can run for President.

    Gillibrand piously offering to explain 'white privilege' must have been enough to make even those with a strong stomach retch -- someone should have rushed the stage and strangled that bitch.

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her

    Yes, that was very unfortunate.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Set asides for Indians has always been a joke. The people who take advantage are usually completely white looking and maybe 10% Indian by blood, maybe less.

    If Liz looked the same but really had an Indian great grama, there’d be no official scandal here.

    I encourage every white American to fight racist anti-white programs by checking black, hispanic, or indian on forms like Warren did.
  54. @Rosie

    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child.
     
    What in particular would you suggest needs to be changed?

    It's ridiculous to claim that women are "encouraged to cheat on their husbands." I suppose its theoretically possible that some unscrupulous lawyers might "encourage" a woman to make false accusations to get custody, but such person would very likely lose their bar license upon getting caught.


    totally support the concept of marriage and families–but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.
     
    Shame on you. I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it's not risk-free. You're part of the problem.

    I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it’s not risk-free. You’re part of the problem.

    Neither would I–it is a great deal for women!

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @Rosie

    Neither would I–it is a great deal for women!
     
    No better than for men. Worse in some ways.

    If you have a specific gripe, let's hear it.

    If you can't name one, don't feel bad. I've been asking for constructive suggestions for some time, and never get any.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    My sentiments are with you on this, Rosie, but that was damned funny.
  55. The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden’s running mate. I figured it would be Stacey Abrams, since TPTB invited her to Bilderberg and recently inducted her into CFR, but I guess it could be the less fêted Kamala Harris because she seems to be the MSM’s darling.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden’s running mate.
     
    And what are the odds of a guy who is nearly 80 surviving four years of an unbelievably high pressure job?

    What is it with Americans and geriatric politicians? It's seriously weird. It's kinda Twilight Zone-ish.

    It's definitely a great idea to have someone at very high risk of developing senile dementia having his finger on the nuclear button.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    She is really tearing into Biden in ways that are designed to hurt him in the general election, not just the primaries. I think she's burned the VP bridge at this point.
  56. @dfordoom

    It should be clear to all by now that “YouGov polling” is about as legitimate as the WMD’s in Iraq.
     
    Don't they do their polling online? Which means it's pretty much worthless. I have no idea why people still take this kind of polling seriously.

    I think a great number of Americans are waking up to the fact that a vast percentage of the polling data is concocted by our ruling class and their media outlets.

    It is done, to herd us, like cattle, toward their pre-selected favorite few.

    It is as creepy and sinister …..as it is…par for the course.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I think a great number of Americans are waking up to the fact that a vast percentage of the polling data is concocted by our ruling class and their media outlets.
     
    It doesn't even have to be deliberate fudging of the figures. Opinion polling is nonsense because very few people are willing to participate in polls. And online polling is a joke.

    And as more and more people refuse to participate polls are going to keep getting more and more nonsensical.
  57. @Rosie

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her
     
    Yes, that was very unfortunate.

    Set asides for Indians has always been a joke. The people who take advantage are usually completely white looking and maybe 10% Indian by blood, maybe less.

    If Liz looked the same but really had an Indian great grama, there’d be no official scandal here.

    I encourage every white American to fight racist anti-white programs by checking black, hispanic, or indian on forms like Warren did.

  58. @follyofwar
    If old man Biden, who will be 78 on election day (thus quite likely to die before his term is over) picks Stacy Abrams to be his running mate, then we'll know for sure that the man is senile and actually wants to lose. Just look at the woman! Insane McCain destroyed what little chance he had when he picked know-nothing Alaska governor Sarah Palin, but at least she was somewhat pleasant to look at. Joe would be much better off picking Beyoncé.

    Abrams only lost by 1.4%. The prior two dems lost GA Gov by 7% in 2014 and 10% in 2010.

    She’s the daughter of a minister, writes novels, is moderate for a WOC politician, and is pleasant on TV.

    As far as Dem VP picks for Biden go, she’d be the best of the WOCs from what I can tell. Far better than Kamala.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    Lot,
    Is your first paragraph to demonstrate that Abrams was a better candidate than the previous ones, or could it be that those stats are merely a reflection of Georgia becoming a majority black state?

    In any case, television is a visual medium with looks being a premium. Handsome JFK would never have been elected in 1960 if it wasn't for the female vote. Abrams may talk pleasantly (I don't know, I haven't listened to her much), but she sure doesn't look too pleasant. As the old saying goes, and I'm trying to be kind, she has a face for radio.

    My bet is that, if Biden somehow manages to win the nomination, there is no way that the party bosses will let him pick her, not if they want to win.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    She's also shrewd--she has more going on upstairs than the typical donor puppet does.

    Otoh, she's unattractive and has a distracting gap in her teeth.
  59. Biden really does sound old though. He looks like he would collapse giving a speech.

  60. “It’s ridiculous to claim that women are “encouraged to cheat on their husbands.””

    It’s ridiculous to claim it’s ridiculous to claim that women are encouraged to cheat on their husbands.

    See how that works?

    Come back with evidence, or shut up.

    “Shame on you. I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it’s not risk-free. You’re part of the problem.”

    No, YOU are the problem. You are shaming and browbeating men in an attempt to push them into a behavior that has been rendered extremely dangerous by the present day legal system. You are certainly not providing any evidence or facts whatsoever regarding the objective reality of that behavior. As such, you are dangerous and the next thing to a radical feminist.

    If you are honest – which I’m pretty sure you’re not, but I’m always open to being proven wrong – but if you are honest, the correct method of approaching this topic, the one with intellectual integrity, is to go looking for answers to WHY a certain fraction of men are making claims you disagree with. Find what their evidence is. Find what their reasons are. (I could give quite a few but I’m not going to do your work for you.) Be able to recite their points as well as they can. And THEN, come up with your counterarguments, so you can spin them off by reflex. THEN come back here and bring up your counterarguments and specifics.

    But you’re not doing that.

    You’re not doing that, because you don’t have counterarguments, because you’re wrong, because your basic position on this specific topic is utterly and catastrophically harmful.

    It doesn’t matter that you disagree – what matters is why THEY believe what they do. You cannot and will not get anywhere in a discussion with people until you understand where they’re coming from. But that’s not what you’re trying for; you just want to browbeat. It won’t work.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Good lord, here we go.

    Come back with evidence, or shut up.
     
    It was you who made the very extraordinary claim that "women are encouraged to cheat on their husbands." The burden is on you to prove it. I suspect you won't have much luck. I have been married for going on a quarter-century, and I can tell you with all sincerity that noone has ever encouraged me to cheat on my husband.

    No, YOU are the problem. You are shaming and browbeating men in an attempt to push them into a behavior that has been rendered extremely dangerous by the present day legal system. You are certainly not providing any evidence or facts whatsoever regarding the objective reality of that behavior. As such, you are dangerous and the next thing to a radical feminist.
     
    You must be new here.

    Men can do whatever the f*** they want, but then don't go blaming women for the decline in marriage rates.

    When you get married, you are forming a binding legal Covenant, and there will be serious consequences if you fail to honor it.

    Sorry.

    It doesn’t matter that you disagree – what matters is why THEY believe what they do. You cannot and will not get anywhere in a discussion with people until you understand where they’re coming from.
     
    I assure you, I know exactly where they're coming from. They inform me that they would be perfectly willing to get married so long as they remain free to walk away any time they damn well please with no further obligations to their spouse or children.

    They dress it up a bit, but at the end of the day, that's what it comes down to.

    Now, I will ask you, in particular, what is it about marriage as we know it do you object to, specifically.
  61. @Rosie

    Biden is more likable and would play better in swing states, but Warren would also energize the Dem base, raise more money, motivate more volunteers, and probably spend her money more wisely than Biden. Biden also is so gaffe prone he wisely (at this point) doesn’t campaign much and avoids interviews.
     
    Agree. Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51N4Pa-f9EL._SX325_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    LOL. She keeps getting in trouble for that book, what with it pointing out the downside of women in the workforce.

    Of course, she’s right.

    Her personal finance book wasn’t awful either.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    LOL. She keeps getting in trouble for that book, what with it pointing out the downside of women in the workforce.

    Of course, she’s right.
     
    It's not so much that women being in the workplace is a problem as such, but rather the fact that their families rely on their income just to make ends meet rather than just extra money that is essential to the family budget.

    In my ideal world, women would do piece work, preferably out of their homes. I know talented women who do this, but it's not easy turning a sufficient profit to make it worthwhile.

    Good luck getting someone to pay you for clothing or other things you might make. The only women who can make any money at that are the modest apparel providers. Everything else has just been destroyed by sweatshop labor.
  62. @Lot
    Abrams only lost by 1.4%. The prior two dems lost GA Gov by 7% in 2014 and 10% in 2010.

    She’s the daughter of a minister, writes novels, is moderate for a WOC politician, and is pleasant on TV.

    As far as Dem VP picks for Biden go, she’d be the best of the WOCs from what I can tell. Far better than Kamala.

    Lot,
    Is your first paragraph to demonstrate that Abrams was a better candidate than the previous ones, or could it be that those stats are merely a reflection of Georgia becoming a majority black state?

    In any case, television is a visual medium with looks being a premium. Handsome JFK would never have been elected in 1960 if it wasn’t for the female vote. Abrams may talk pleasantly (I don’t know, I haven’t listened to her much), but she sure doesn’t look too pleasant. As the old saying goes, and I’m trying to be kind, she has a face for radio.

    My bet is that, if Biden somehow manages to win the nomination, there is no way that the party bosses will let him pick her, not if they want to win.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    Amazingly enough JFK won because of men not women. JFK won men by 4 points while Nixon won women by 2 points. What a different world it was where more men than women voted Democrat!

    I'm pretty sure women are more shallow today than they were in the 1960s. When I show people a picture of my parents 1963 wedding they sometimes are surprised that my beautiful mother married my average, kind of wimpy looking father. Those kind of couples were not unusual in the 60s. Women were still marrying stable family men back then so looks weren't as important.

  63. @Justvisiting
    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child custody.

    But, you are correct--survival instincts are indeed "self-centered".

    I totally support the concept of marriage and families--but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.

    Then what happens when he gets old? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the sword is double-edged.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    He dies alone. Just like if he were married, except he'll take more money with him to the beyond.
  64. While it’s conceivable former president Obama endorses Harris before the primaries are over if she is running competitively, it is virtually unthinkable that he endorses Sanders or Warren over Biden.

    Even in the event that the race will become competitive, I am *extremely* skeptical that Obama would endorse Harris unless it is already clear that she is going to win the Democratic presidential nomination since otherwise it’s going to be perceived as being an extremely huge stab-in-the-back for Biden–and Obama certainly doesn’t want to backstab his former VP like that!

  65. @Justvisiting

    I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it’s not risk-free. You’re part of the problem.
     
    Neither would I--it is a great deal for women!

    Neither would I–it is a great deal for women!

    No better than for men. Worse in some ways.

    If you have a specific gripe, let’s hear it.

    If you can’t name one, don’t feel bad. I’ve been asking for constructive suggestions for some time, and never get any.

  66. @vok3
    @Rosie

    "It’s ridiculous to claim that women are “encouraged to cheat on their husbands.”"

    It's ridiculous to claim it's ridiculous to claim that women are encouraged to cheat on their husbands.

    See how that works?

    Come back with evidence, or shut up.

    "Shame on you. I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it’s not risk-free. You’re part of the problem."

    No, YOU are the problem. You are shaming and browbeating men in an attempt to push them into a behavior that has been rendered extremely dangerous by the present day legal system. You are certainly not providing any evidence or facts whatsoever regarding the objective reality of that behavior. As such, you are dangerous and the next thing to a radical feminist.

    If you are honest - which I'm pretty sure you're not, but I'm always open to being proven wrong - but if you are honest, the correct method of approaching this topic, the one with intellectual integrity, is to go looking for answers to WHY a certain fraction of men are making claims you disagree with. Find what their evidence is. Find what their reasons are. (I could give quite a few but I'm not going to do your work for you.) Be able to recite their points as well as they can. And THEN, come up with your counterarguments, so you can spin them off by reflex. THEN come back here and bring up your counterarguments and specifics.

    But you're not doing that.

    You're not doing that, because you don't have counterarguments, because you're wrong, because your basic position on this specific topic is utterly and catastrophically harmful.

    It doesn't matter that you disagree - what matters is why THEY believe what they do. You cannot and will not get anywhere in a discussion with people until you understand where they're coming from. But that's not what you're trying for; you just want to browbeat. It won't work.

    Good lord, here we go.

    Come back with evidence, or shut up.

    It was you who made the very extraordinary claim that “women are encouraged to cheat on their husbands.” The burden is on you to prove it. I suspect you won’t have much luck. I have been married for going on a quarter-century, and I can tell you with all sincerity that noone has ever encouraged me to cheat on my husband.

    No, YOU are the problem. You are shaming and browbeating men in an attempt to push them into a behavior that has been rendered extremely dangerous by the present day legal system. You are certainly not providing any evidence or facts whatsoever regarding the objective reality of that behavior. As such, you are dangerous and the next thing to a radical feminist.

    You must be new here.

    Men can do whatever the f*** they want, but then don’t go blaming women for the decline in marriage rates.

    When you get married, you are forming a binding legal Covenant, and there will be serious consequences if you fail to honor it.

    Sorry.

    It doesn’t matter that you disagree – what matters is why THEY believe what they do. You cannot and will not get anywhere in a discussion with people until you understand where they’re coming from.

    I assure you, I know exactly where they’re coming from. They inform me that they would be perfectly willing to get married so long as they remain free to walk away any time they damn well please with no further obligations to their spouse or children.

    They dress it up a bit, but at the end of the day, that’s what it comes down to.

    Now, I will ask you, in particular, what is it about marriage as we know it do you object to, specifically.

  67. @SFG
    LOL. She keeps getting in trouble for that book, what with it pointing out the downside of women in the workforce.

    Of course, she's right.

    Her personal finance book wasn't awful either.

    LOL. She keeps getting in trouble for that book, what with it pointing out the downside of women in the workforce.

    Of course, she’s right.

    It’s not so much that women being in the workplace is a problem as such, but rather the fact that their families rely on their income just to make ends meet rather than just extra money that is essential to the family budget.

    In my ideal world, women would do piece work, preferably out of their homes. I know talented women who do this, but it’s not easy turning a sufficient profit to make it worthwhile.

    Good luck getting someone to pay you for clothing or other things you might make. The only women who can make any money at that are the modest apparel providers. Everything else has just been destroyed by sweatshop labor.

  68. Harris a a mean bitch, just downright hateful, a black witch Hillary on a broom.

    Warren is a pretentious old cat lady that drinks box wine and pegs her cucky husband.

    Gillibrand is an ethno-masochist nutcase, mentally disturbed, probably blew Harvey Weinstein.

    Booker is a faggot retard, thinks he’s a super-hero.

    Biden is a daft anti-white creep sellout, thinks he’s a BFD.

    Sanders is a lying merchant commie, spineless, FOS.

    All of them make me nauseous.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  69. @dfordoom

    It should be clear to all by now that “YouGov polling” is about as legitimate as the WMD’s in Iraq.
     
    Don't they do their polling online? Which means it's pretty much worthless. I have no idea why people still take this kind of polling seriously.

    I’m pretty skeptical of polling in general, however it is my suspicion that online polling is actually better in a lot of ways than traditional polling since there’s less compulsion to be ‘politically correct’ in an anonymous online setting than a traditional live telephone one. Online polls predicted Brexit whereas phone polls overwhelmingly showed ‘Remain’ winning.

  70. @eah
    Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her -- but in America 2.0 mediocrity rules and apparently any hack can run for President.

    Gillibrand piously offering to explain 'white privilege' must have been enough to make even those with a strong stomach retch -- someone should have rushed the stage and strangled that bitch.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The only time whites are allowed to identify as white is if it is to denigrate their whiteness.

    No parenthetical blaming here, either. She's a very privileged SWPL, born with a silver spoon in her mouth, happy to prove how much she hates that privilege by boosting herself even higher and taking away as many opportunities for less privileged whites as she's able to.
  71. @The Alarmist
    The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden's running mate. I figured it would be Stacey Abrams, since TPTB invited her to Bilderberg and recently inducted her into CFR, but I guess it could be the less fêted Kamala Harris because she seems to be the MSM's darling.

    The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden’s running mate.

    And what are the odds of a guy who is nearly 80 surviving four years of an unbelievably high pressure job?

    What is it with Americans and geriatric politicians? It’s seriously weird. It’s kinda Twilight Zone-ish.

    It’s definitely a great idea to have someone at very high risk of developing senile dementia having his finger on the nuclear button.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    It's almost certain President Biden would die in office. He's just a vehicle, baby.

    Here's Uncle Joe playing lead on this blast from the past:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLaNEFyCiM
    , @The Alarmist
    It's almost certain President Biden would die in office. He's just a vehicle, baby.

    Here's Uncle Joe playing lead on this blast from the past:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLaNEFyCiM
    , @The Alarmist
    It's almost certain President Biden would die in office. He's just a vehicle, baby.

    Here's Uncle Joe playing lead on this blast from the past:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLaNEFyCiM
  72. @alexander
    I think a great number of Americans are waking up to the fact that a vast percentage of the polling data is concocted by our ruling class and their media outlets.

    It is done, to herd us, like cattle, toward their pre-selected favorite few.

    It is as creepy and sinister .....as it is...par for the course.

    I think a great number of Americans are waking up to the fact that a vast percentage of the polling data is concocted by our ruling class and their media outlets.

    It doesn’t even have to be deliberate fudging of the figures. Opinion polling is nonsense because very few people are willing to participate in polls. And online polling is a joke.

    And as more and more people refuse to participate polls are going to keep getting more and more nonsensical.

  73. @dfordoom

    The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden’s running mate.
     
    And what are the odds of a guy who is nearly 80 surviving four years of an unbelievably high pressure job?

    What is it with Americans and geriatric politicians? It's seriously weird. It's kinda Twilight Zone-ish.

    It's definitely a great idea to have someone at very high risk of developing senile dementia having his finger on the nuclear button.

    It’s almost certain President Biden would die in office. He’s just a vehicle, baby.

    Here’s Uncle Joe playing lead on this blast from the past:

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    I knew what song that was going to be before I opened the link, but MAN, what a horribly distorted version!
  74. @dfordoom

    The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden’s running mate.
     
    And what are the odds of a guy who is nearly 80 surviving four years of an unbelievably high pressure job?

    What is it with Americans and geriatric politicians? It's seriously weird. It's kinda Twilight Zone-ish.

    It's definitely a great idea to have someone at very high risk of developing senile dementia having his finger on the nuclear button.

    It’s almost certain President Biden would die in office. He’s just a vehicle, baby.

    Here’s Uncle Joe playing lead on this blast from the past:

  75. @dfordoom

    The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden’s running mate.
     
    And what are the odds of a guy who is nearly 80 surviving four years of an unbelievably high pressure job?

    What is it with Americans and geriatric politicians? It's seriously weird. It's kinda Twilight Zone-ish.

    It's definitely a great idea to have someone at very high risk of developing senile dementia having his finger on the nuclear button.

    It’s almost certain President Biden would die in office. He’s just a vehicle, baby.

    Here’s Uncle Joe playing lead on this blast from the past:

  76. Sorry for the multiple on that last. I got a “wrong type” error and it must have re-posted when I refreshed and submitted again.

  77. @follyofwar
    Lot,
    Is your first paragraph to demonstrate that Abrams was a better candidate than the previous ones, or could it be that those stats are merely a reflection of Georgia becoming a majority black state?

    In any case, television is a visual medium with looks being a premium. Handsome JFK would never have been elected in 1960 if it wasn't for the female vote. Abrams may talk pleasantly (I don't know, I haven't listened to her much), but she sure doesn't look too pleasant. As the old saying goes, and I'm trying to be kind, she has a face for radio.

    My bet is that, if Biden somehow manages to win the nomination, there is no way that the party bosses will let him pick her, not if they want to win.

    Amazingly enough JFK won because of men not women. JFK won men by 4 points while Nixon won women by 2 points. What a different world it was where more men than women voted Democrat!

    I’m pretty sure women are more shallow today than they were in the 1960s. When I show people a picture of my parents 1963 wedding they sometimes are surprised that my beautiful mother married my average, kind of wimpy looking father. Those kind of couples were not unusual in the 60s. Women were still marrying stable family men back then so looks weren’t as important.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    As someone who's been told throughout his adult life that he's good looking (and therefore, everyone is sure, should get the wahmenz), I can tell you it isn't looks. It's the extraversion/agreeableness nexus and the ability to project self-regard irrespective of merit (which correlates closely with a lack of intelligence).
  78. @The Alarmist
    It's almost certain President Biden would die in office. He's just a vehicle, baby.

    Here's Uncle Joe playing lead on this blast from the past:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiLaNEFyCiM

    I knew what song that was going to be before I opened the link, but MAN, what a horribly distorted version!

  79. @Oblivionrecurs
    I'm not as convinced that Harris is out. Obama's first couple debates had poor performance and studies do show that blacks are really into black candidates over whites within party regardless of views. See Gillum in 2018 Florida

    Booker will probably end up helping her by pulling black vote from Biden.

    Still I think the real winner of the debates was Elizabeth Warren

    I’m not convinced that she is out, either. Biden could beat her. I don’t think anybody else has a chance. If they do, the political dynamic on the Democrat side will have shifted significantly from what it has been since 2007. Twinkie has predicted here that this will be the election such a shift happens. We’ll see.

  80. @Rosie
    AE, this is OT, but very interesting IMO.

    https://thriveglobal.com/stories/good-sleep-kindness-compassion-sleep-deprivation-loneliness-science/amp/

    It occurs to me that baby-related sleep deprivation probably has a lot to do with divorce rates. People wind up not recognizing the person they're married to because they're not themselves. I would imagine even a relatively small change in sleep patterns could have major personality consequences.

    Interesting. Our first was the most stressful because we approached her sleep in the worst way–in crib early, but not enough self-soothing. Nothing remotely like divorce was on the table, but our relationship frayed more than with the others.

  81. @eah
    Warren is underrated on substantive policy issues.

    Her idiotic and flagrantly dishonest claims of Native American ancestry ought to alone disqualify her -- but in America 2.0 mediocrity rules and apparently any hack can run for President.

    Gillibrand piously offering to explain 'white privilege' must have been enough to make even those with a strong stomach retch -- someone should have rushed the stage and strangled that bitch.

    Conversely, though, Trump has shown no hesitation to mock Warren as Fake Indian. She won’t be able to land any blows on him about his putative racism because of how easy his dismissive responses will be.

  82. @follyofwar
    Didn't Mr. Audacious also predict that Kamala was going to be the nominee? Seems that he is having second thoughts, too.

    I did and I am because polling is not showing that she is pulling the black vote even though 4-in-5 black voters have an opinion of her. That’s not good. Obama was already dominating among black voters in the polls at this stage in 2007.

  83. @dfordoom

    It should be clear to all by now that “YouGov polling” is about as legitimate as the WMD’s in Iraq.
     
    Don't they do their polling online? Which means it's pretty much worthless. I have no idea why people still take this kind of polling seriously.

    About half the polling outfits do theirs online now. The results do not vary from phone line polls.

  84. @Justvisiting

    I would never discourage a woman from forming a family just because it’s not risk-free. You’re part of the problem.
     
    Neither would I--it is a great deal for women!

    My sentiments are with you on this, Rosie, but that was damned funny.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    My sentiments are with you on this, Rosie, but that was damned funny.
     
    And to be fair, it is probably true that the traditional marriage contract really is more protective of women than men, as it necessarily must be, simply because of how the benefits of marriage accrue to the parties at different times.

    The man is rewarded up-front with a young wife. The woman is rewarded later in life, so yes, it appears that marriage is a better deal for women than men, but that's only after the man has received the bulk of the benefit of his bargain.
  85. @The Alarmist
    The next PoC and first female American POTUS will be Joe Biden's running mate. I figured it would be Stacey Abrams, since TPTB invited her to Bilderberg and recently inducted her into CFR, but I guess it could be the less fêted Kamala Harris because she seems to be the MSM's darling.

    She is really tearing into Biden in ways that are designed to hurt him in the general election, not just the primaries. I think she’s burned the VP bridge at this point.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    I think she’s burned the VP bridge at this point.
     
    Many felt the same of George "Voodoo" Bush in 1980, though he seemed to have been more genteel towards Reagan than Kamala is towards Uncle Joe.
  86. @Lot
    Abrams only lost by 1.4%. The prior two dems lost GA Gov by 7% in 2014 and 10% in 2010.

    She’s the daughter of a minister, writes novels, is moderate for a WOC politician, and is pleasant on TV.

    As far as Dem VP picks for Biden go, she’d be the best of the WOCs from what I can tell. Far better than Kamala.

    She’s also shrewd–she has more going on upstairs than the typical donor puppet does.

    Otoh, she’s unattractive and has a distracting gap in her teeth.

  87. @eah
    https://twitter.com/SenGillibrand/status/1157018505792892930

    The only time whites are allowed to identify as white is if it is to denigrate their whiteness.

    No parenthetical blaming here, either. She’s a very privileged SWPL, born with a silver spoon in her mouth, happy to prove how much she hates that privilege by boosting herself even higher and taking away as many opportunities for less privileged whites as she’s able to.

  88. @Audacious Epigone
    My sentiments are with you on this, Rosie, but that was damned funny.

    My sentiments are with you on this, Rosie, but that was damned funny.

    And to be fair, it is probably true that the traditional marriage contract really is more protective of women than men, as it necessarily must be, simply because of how the benefits of marriage accrue to the parties at different times.

    The man is rewarded up-front with a young wife. The woman is rewarded later in life, so yes, it appears that marriage is a better deal for women than men, but that’s only after the man has received the bulk of the benefit of his bargain.

    • Replies: @L Woods

    The man is rewarded up-front with a young wife.
     
    Uhh...not in 2019 he isn't.
  89. @Audacious Epigone
    She is really tearing into Biden in ways that are designed to hurt him in the general election, not just the primaries. I think she's burned the VP bridge at this point.

    I think she’s burned the VP bridge at this point.

    Many felt the same of George “Voodoo” Bush in 1980, though he seemed to have been more genteel towards Reagan than Kamala is towards Uncle Joe.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    And Reagan wasn't liked by party leaders. Though Harris has most of the Clinton leftovers, Biden is hardly an outsider the party feels uncertain it is able to trust.
  90. @Justvisiting
    The manosphere opposes marriage in a culture where the court system is one-sided against men and where women are rewarded for cheating on their husbands and women are encouraged to make false charges in divorce proceedings in order to obtain child custody.

    But, you are correct--survival instincts are indeed "self-centered".

    I totally support the concept of marriage and families--but I would never encourage a young man to go that route today.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Rather based. I'm seeing more and more remorseful hand wringing in the manosphere about waiting until middle age (even early middle age) to have children, but the reality is that it's the least bad option in our profoundly toxic, broken society. It's risky, as your margin for error is narrow, but them's the breaks.

    These guys weren't going to get a NAWALT in their young years anyway; they forget what drove them to the manosphere to begin with. Pretty much, unless you're an early blooming conformist (ie, you 'fit in' in high school or college and get your pick), your outlook is very bleak -- all you can really do is attempt to minimize the risk. Even in the former case, there are considerable drawbacks to settling early. The male biological clock may not be infinite, but it's still longer than women's; it's one of our few advantages over them, and one we've little choice but to exploit as much as possible.

  91. @eah
    If the Fed were nationalized, the US government could borrow at no interest against anticipated revenue,...

    Yes, that would be an improvement -- but why does the federal government, which per the Constitution has the sole authority to issue money, have to borrow (eg to run a deficit)? -- and where does that money come from anyway? (rhetorical question) -- you are perhaps familiar with a well-know quote from Thomas Edison on this subject: he said it when commenting on the debt (bond) financing of a TVA project (back on those days the existence of the Federal Reserve was still rather controversial, more so than today) -- the current situation of piling up unpayable inter-generational debt with ever-growing interest payments is profoundly wrong -- immoral really.

    https://i.postimg.cc/7LQ79km6/edison-money-quote.png

    If the nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also

    exactly – central banking is a scam

    it amazes me how people in the past understood this and yet we ended up with the exact opposite.

    (well it doesn’t really amaze me as giving people a license to print money gives them a license to corrupt your political class)

    fiat currencies are backed by the state’s ability to tax the citizens so the strength of a currency is effectively a proxy for a particular population’s productivity – nations that don’t suck have no need to borrow money at all.

  92. imo the big donors wanted (and still want) a safe looking white candidate and on the surface Biden was the best choice but i still think he will likely come unstuck before the end either for #metoo reasons or simply age.

    i think the big donors had picked Beta as backup plan in case that happened but he’s clearly not up to it and their more recent attempt to boost Buttsiege doesn’t seem to be working either so Harris may end up getting it after all (if Biden goes down).

    i can’t say for certain cos it’s outside my primary experience but i think people are possibly getting the mechanics of the black vote wrong. the way it works with white blue collar union type voting is a lot of left-side people don’t really have their own political opinions they simply vote the way their political leadership suggest.

    i’m assuming the black vote works the same way i.e. a large bloc of black voters just repeat what their local black leadership says and as the black political class are as corrupt as the white political class they’re not going to support a black candidate on principle – they’re going to support whoever is best plugged into donor money – and currently that’s Biden.

  93. @SFG
    Then what happens when he gets old? I'm not saying you're wrong, but the sword is double-edged.

    He dies alone. Just like if he were married, except he’ll take more money with him to the beyond.

  94. @The Alarmist
    https://i.redd.it/00dzo9ml4ud31.png

    Rather based. I’m seeing more and more remorseful hand wringing in the manosphere about waiting until middle age (even early middle age) to have children, but the reality is that it’s the least bad option in our profoundly toxic, broken society. It’s risky, as your margin for error is narrow, but them’s the breaks.

    These guys weren’t going to get a NAWALT in their young years anyway; they forget what drove them to the manosphere to begin with. Pretty much, unless you’re an early blooming conformist (ie, you ‘fit in’ in high school or college and get your pick), your outlook is very bleak — all you can really do is attempt to minimize the risk. Even in the former case, there are considerable drawbacks to settling early. The male biological clock may not be infinite, but it’s still longer than women’s; it’s one of our few advantages over them, and one we’ve little choice but to exploit as much as possible.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    The male biological clock may not be infinite, but it’s still longer than women’s; it’s one of our few advantages over them, and one we’ve little choice but to exploit as much as possible.
     
    Very revealing.

    Whence this claim of entitlement to pump and dump till you're 35 and then marry an 18-year-old virgin?

    SSDD.

  95. @Rosie

    My sentiments are with you on this, Rosie, but that was damned funny.
     
    And to be fair, it is probably true that the traditional marriage contract really is more protective of women than men, as it necessarily must be, simply because of how the benefits of marriage accrue to the parties at different times.

    The man is rewarded up-front with a young wife. The woman is rewarded later in life, so yes, it appears that marriage is a better deal for women than men, but that's only after the man has received the bulk of the benefit of his bargain.

    The man is rewarded up-front with a young wife.

    Uhh…not in 2019 he isn’t.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Uhh…not in 2019 he isn’t.
     
    He is, of course, free to not marry.

    The point is that an enforceable marriage contract gives young, poor men an asset in the marriage market that they would not otherwise have: the power to make an enforceable promise. This power to bind himself greatly enhances his prospects.
  96. @Jay Fink
    Amazingly enough JFK won because of men not women. JFK won men by 4 points while Nixon won women by 2 points. What a different world it was where more men than women voted Democrat!

    I'm pretty sure women are more shallow today than they were in the 1960s. When I show people a picture of my parents 1963 wedding they sometimes are surprised that my beautiful mother married my average, kind of wimpy looking father. Those kind of couples were not unusual in the 60s. Women were still marrying stable family men back then so looks weren't as important.

    As someone who’s been told throughout his adult life that he’s good looking (and therefore, everyone is sure, should get the wahmenz), I can tell you it isn’t looks. It’s the extraversion/agreeableness nexus and the ability to project self-regard irrespective of merit (which correlates closely with a lack of intelligence).

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    "Game" can be learned--and imho every young man needs to learn it (along with reading and math).

    Once it is internalized it just becomes part of living--and no big deal.

    It is just a tool--to be used when and if a man chooses to use it.

    That has been one of real contributions of the manosphere--teaching all men some good stuff they need to know.
    , @Rosie

    I can tell you it isn’t looks. It’s the extraversion/agreeableness nexus and the ability to project self-regard irrespective of merit (which correlates closely with a lack of intelligence).
     
    If you think women like stupid men, perhaps you ought to consider what sort of women you are interested in yourself. No, the sexy but ditzy cheerleader probably isn't going to be that into you if you're the star of the robotics team, but such is life.
  97. @L Woods
    As someone who's been told throughout his adult life that he's good looking (and therefore, everyone is sure, should get the wahmenz), I can tell you it isn't looks. It's the extraversion/agreeableness nexus and the ability to project self-regard irrespective of merit (which correlates closely with a lack of intelligence).

    “Game” can be learned–and imho every young man needs to learn it (along with reading and math).

    Once it is internalized it just becomes part of living–and no big deal.

    It is just a tool–to be used when and if a man chooses to use it.

    That has been one of real contributions of the manosphere–teaching all men some good stuff they need to know.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Game is, fundamentally, artifice, and a race to the bottom. In a functional society, it wouldn't pay.
  98. @Justvisiting
    "Game" can be learned--and imho every young man needs to learn it (along with reading and math).

    Once it is internalized it just becomes part of living--and no big deal.

    It is just a tool--to be used when and if a man chooses to use it.

    That has been one of real contributions of the manosphere--teaching all men some good stuff they need to know.

    Game is, fundamentally, artifice, and a race to the bottom. In a functional society, it wouldn’t pay.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    In a functional society, it wouldn’t pay.
     
    Agreed, but since we don't have one of those and probably won't have one in the lifetime of currently living young men, it is an essential life skill.
    , @Rosie

    Game is, fundamentally, artifice, and a race to the bottom. In a functional society, it wouldn’t pay.
     
    "Game" is nothing more nor less than applied psychopathy.
  99. @L Woods
    Game is, fundamentally, artifice, and a race to the bottom. In a functional society, it wouldn't pay.

    In a functional society, it wouldn’t pay.

    Agreed, but since we don’t have one of those and probably won’t have one in the lifetime of currently living young men, it is an essential life skill.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @L Woods
    Sadly, probably true. Though I do believe its effectiveness is somewhat overrated.
  100. @Justvisiting

    In a functional society, it wouldn’t pay.
     
    Agreed, but since we don't have one of those and probably won't have one in the lifetime of currently living young men, it is an essential life skill.

    Sadly, probably true. Though I do believe its effectiveness is somewhat overrated.

  101. @L Woods

    The man is rewarded up-front with a young wife.
     
    Uhh...not in 2019 he isn't.

    Uhh…not in 2019 he isn’t.

    He is, of course, free to not marry.

    The point is that an enforceable marriage contract gives young, poor men an asset in the marriage market that they would not otherwise have: the power to make an enforceable promise. This power to bind himself greatly enhances his prospects.

  102. @L Woods
    Game is, fundamentally, artifice, and a race to the bottom. In a functional society, it wouldn't pay.

    Game is, fundamentally, artifice, and a race to the bottom. In a functional society, it wouldn’t pay.

    “Game” is nothing more nor less than applied psychopathy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    “Game” is nothing more nor less than applied psychopathy.
     
    Which is essential for species survival when females are given carte blanche for solipsism in general, including breaking contracts at whim.
  103. @Rosie

    Game is, fundamentally, artifice, and a race to the bottom. In a functional society, it wouldn’t pay.
     
    "Game" is nothing more nor less than applied psychopathy.

    “Game” is nothing more nor less than applied psychopathy.

    Which is essential for species survival when females are given carte blanche for solipsism in general, including breaking contracts at whim.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Which is essential for species survival when females are given carte blanche for solipsism in general, including breaking contracts at whim.
     
    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.
  104. @L Woods
    As someone who's been told throughout his adult life that he's good looking (and therefore, everyone is sure, should get the wahmenz), I can tell you it isn't looks. It's the extraversion/agreeableness nexus and the ability to project self-regard irrespective of merit (which correlates closely with a lack of intelligence).

    I can tell you it isn’t looks. It’s the extraversion/agreeableness nexus and the ability to project self-regard irrespective of merit (which correlates closely with a lack of intelligence).

    If you think women like stupid men, perhaps you ought to consider what sort of women you are interested in yourself. No, the sexy but ditzy cheerleader probably isn’t going to be that into you if you’re the star of the robotics team, but such is life.

  105. @Mr. Rational

    “Game” is nothing more nor less than applied psychopathy.
     
    Which is essential for species survival when females are given carte blanche for solipsism in general, including breaking contracts at whim.

    Which is essential for species survival when females are given carte blanche for solipsism in general, including breaking contracts at whim.

    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    One of the strange things about manosphere thinking: They will tell you that women's SMV declines rapidly with age, while a man's prospects improve as he becomes more financially stable. Despite this, when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.
    , @Justvisiting

    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.
     
    One person's evidence is another person's unsubstantiated prejudice.

    I will just say this to you--I have tried hundreds of baby steps taught in "game" just to see if the "game" theory of women is valid in the real world.

    _Every_single_time_ the results predicted by the theory have proven true--regardless of the woman involved.

    That is anecdote and personal experience--absolutely not evidence you should believe.

    That is why men need to "test" it in their own lives--and not waste time with philosophical debates on whether or not it is valid.

  106. @L Woods
    Rather based. I'm seeing more and more remorseful hand wringing in the manosphere about waiting until middle age (even early middle age) to have children, but the reality is that it's the least bad option in our profoundly toxic, broken society. It's risky, as your margin for error is narrow, but them's the breaks.

    These guys weren't going to get a NAWALT in their young years anyway; they forget what drove them to the manosphere to begin with. Pretty much, unless you're an early blooming conformist (ie, you 'fit in' in high school or college and get your pick), your outlook is very bleak -- all you can really do is attempt to minimize the risk. Even in the former case, there are considerable drawbacks to settling early. The male biological clock may not be infinite, but it's still longer than women's; it's one of our few advantages over them, and one we've little choice but to exploit as much as possible.

    The male biological clock may not be infinite, but it’s still longer than women’s; it’s one of our few advantages over them, and one we’ve little choice but to exploit as much as possible.

    Very revealing.

    Whence this claim of entitlement to pump and dump till you’re 35 and then marry an 18-year-old virgin?

    SSDD.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Because the 18 year old virgin was busy getting pumped and dumped when I was an 18 year old virgin. Plus, men generally require certain attributes that come with age to be perceived as marriageable. This isn’t hard.
  107. @Rosie

    Which is essential for species survival when females are given carte blanche for solipsism in general, including breaking contracts at whim.
     
    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.

    One of the strange things about manosphere thinking: They will tell you that women’s SMV declines rapidly with age, while a man’s prospects improve as he becomes more financially stable. Despite this, when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.
     
    Women file for 66% of divorces.
    , @L Woods
    You presume that women are rational. Bad assumption.
  108. @Rosie
    One of the strange things about manosphere thinking: They will tell you that women's SMV declines rapidly with age, while a man's prospects improve as he becomes more financially stable. Despite this, when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.

    when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.

    Women file for 66% of divorces.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    And, anecdotally, instigate most of the rest.
    , @Rosie
    As I have explained about 5,000 times now, the fact that women usually are the ones to file for divorce tells us nothing about whose fault the divorce is.
  109. @Rosie

    Which is essential for species survival when females are given carte blanche for solipsism in general, including breaking contracts at whim.
     
    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.

    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.

    One person’s evidence is another person’s unsubstantiated prejudice.

    I will just say this to you–I have tried hundreds of baby steps taught in “game” just to see if the “game” theory of women is valid in the real world.

    _Every_single_time_ the results predicted by the theory have proven true–regardless of the woman involved.

    That is anecdote and personal experience–absolutely not evidence you should believe.

    That is why men need to “test” it in their own lives–and not waste time with philosophical debates on whether or not it is valid.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Dishearteningly true. There are no NAWALTS. We’ve been steeped in (very pernicious) lies from birth.
    , @Rosie

    _Every_single_time_ the results predicted by the theory have proven true–regardless of the woman involved.
     
    Newsflash: If you are a manipulative, Machiavellian psychopath, you can often get people to do what you want.

    So what?
  110. @Justvisiting

    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.
     
    One person's evidence is another person's unsubstantiated prejudice.

    I will just say this to you--I have tried hundreds of baby steps taught in "game" just to see if the "game" theory of women is valid in the real world.

    _Every_single_time_ the results predicted by the theory have proven true--regardless of the woman involved.

    That is anecdote and personal experience--absolutely not evidence you should believe.

    That is why men need to "test" it in their own lives--and not waste time with philosophical debates on whether or not it is valid.

    Dishearteningly true. There are no NAWALTS. We’ve been steeped in (very pernicious) lies from birth.

  111. @Mr. Rational

    when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.
     
    Women file for 66% of divorces.

    And, anecdotally, instigate most of the rest.

  112. @Rosie
    One of the strange things about manosphere thinking: They will tell you that women's SMV declines rapidly with age, while a man's prospects improve as he becomes more financially stable. Despite this, when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.

    You presume that women are rational. Bad assumption.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rosie

    You presume that women are rational. Bad assumption.
     
    Women are calculating psychopaths and irrational all at the same time!

    Pick one, or better yet, just shut the fuck up and go away. You have nothing of value to contribute.
  113. @Rosie

    The male biological clock may not be infinite, but it’s still longer than women’s; it’s one of our few advantages over them, and one we’ve little choice but to exploit as much as possible.
     
    Very revealing.

    Whence this claim of entitlement to pump and dump till you're 35 and then marry an 18-year-old virgin?

    SSDD.

    Because the 18 year old virgin was busy getting pumped and dumped when I was an 18 year old virgin. Plus, men generally require certain attributes that come with age to be perceived as marriageable. This isn’t hard.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Plus, men generally require certain attributes that come with age to be perceived as marriageable. This isn’t hard.
     
    That's a lie men tell themselves to justify leading women on and using the for sex for 15 years. My husband had nothing when we got married. I married him because...

    Gasp!

    I liked him, and then I loved him.

    Marry young and you get a supportive helpmeet who will help you achieve your goals. Wait till you're balding and have a beer gut, and progress commensurate with your advancing age will be expected. This isn't hard.
  114. @The Alarmist

    I think she’s burned the VP bridge at this point.
     
    Many felt the same of George "Voodoo" Bush in 1980, though he seemed to have been more genteel towards Reagan than Kamala is towards Uncle Joe.

    And Reagan wasn’t liked by party leaders. Though Harris has most of the Clinton leftovers, Biden is hardly an outsider the party feels uncertain it is able to trust.

  115. @L Woods
    Is is. Unfortunately, as others have said, this is necessary to deal with an entire sex of psychopaths.

    Is is. Unfortunately, as others have said, this is necessary to deal with an entire sex of psychopaths.

    Schoolmarm?

  116. @L Woods
    You presume that women are rational. Bad assumption.

    You presume that women are rational. Bad assumption.

    Women are calculating psychopaths and irrational all at the same time!

    Pick one, or better yet, just shut the fuck up and go away. You have nothing of value to contribute.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    There's no contradiction in terms, actually: women are generally inept schemers.

    Pick one, or better yet, just shut the fuck up and go away. You have nothing of value to contribute.
     
    Hi kettle.
  117. @L Woods
    Because the 18 year old virgin was busy getting pumped and dumped when I was an 18 year old virgin. Plus, men generally require certain attributes that come with age to be perceived as marriageable. This isn’t hard.

    Plus, men generally require certain attributes that come with age to be perceived as marriageable. This isn’t hard.

    That’s a lie men tell themselves to justify leading women on and using the for sex for 15 years. My husband had nothing when we got married. I married him because…

    Gasp!

    I liked him, and then I loved him.

    Marry young and you get a supportive helpmeet who will help you achieve your goals. Wait till you’re balding and have a beer gut, and progress commensurate with your advancing age will be expected. This isn’t hard.

  118. @Rosie

    You presume that women are rational. Bad assumption.
     
    Women are calculating psychopaths and irrational all at the same time!

    Pick one, or better yet, just shut the fuck up and go away. You have nothing of value to contribute.

    There’s no contradiction in terms, actually: women are generally inept schemers.

    Pick one, or better yet, just shut the fuck up and go away. You have nothing of value to contribute.

    Hi kettle.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    inept schemers.
     
    You are a (((troll))) deliberately trying to instigate hatred of women on the Right.

    That much is plain. You need to go.
  119. @Mr. Rational

    when marriages are breaking up, they presume it is the fault of the party whose SMV has declined rather than the reverse.
     
    Women file for 66% of divorces.

    As I have explained about 5,000 times now, the fact that women usually are the ones to file for divorce tells us nothing about whose fault the divorce is.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    And before no-fault and its awards of income and property without regard to who acted badly and who acted well, women seldom initiated divorce.

    Blaming the victim.  Again.  So. Fucking. Typical.

  120. @Justvisiting

    All these attacks on women are always so painfully lacking in ant any supporting evidence whatsoever, every. single. time.
     
    One person's evidence is another person's unsubstantiated prejudice.

    I will just say this to you--I have tried hundreds of baby steps taught in "game" just to see if the "game" theory of women is valid in the real world.

    _Every_single_time_ the results predicted by the theory have proven true--regardless of the woman involved.

    That is anecdote and personal experience--absolutely not evidence you should believe.

    That is why men need to "test" it in their own lives--and not waste time with philosophical debates on whether or not it is valid.

    _Every_single_time_ the results predicted by the theory have proven true–regardless of the woman involved.

    Newsflash: If you are a manipulative, Machiavellian psychopath, you can often get people to do what you want.

    So what?

  121. @L Woods
    There's no contradiction in terms, actually: women are generally inept schemers.

    Pick one, or better yet, just shut the fuck up and go away. You have nothing of value to contribute.
     
    Hi kettle.

    inept schemers.

    You are a (((troll))) deliberately trying to instigate hatred of women on the Right.

    That much is plain. You need to go.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Sigh. And here I thought I'd try to be nice to you.
  122. @Rosie
    As I have explained about 5,000 times now, the fact that women usually are the ones to file for divorce tells us nothing about whose fault the divorce is.

    And before no-fault and its awards of income and property without regard to who acted badly and who acted well, women seldom initiated divorce.

    Blaming the victim.  Again.  So. Fucking. Typical.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    And before no-fault and its awards of income and property without regard to who acted badly and who acted well, women seldom initiated divorce.
     
    How do you know income and property are awarded without regard to who acted badly?

    The fact that you can get a divorce without demonstrating fault doesn't mean that fault can't be considered in divorce judgments. That is a totally unwarranted assumption on your part.
  123. @Rosie

    inept schemers.
     
    You are a (((troll))) deliberately trying to instigate hatred of women on the Right.

    That much is plain. You need to go.

    Sigh. And here I thought I’d try to be nice to you.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Sigh. And here I thought I’d try to be nice to you.
     
    That was you "trying to be nice"?
  124. @L Woods
    Sigh. And here I thought I'd try to be nice to you.

    Sigh. And here I thought I’d try to be nice to you.

    That was you “trying to be nice”?

  125. @Mr. Rational
    And before no-fault and its awards of income and property without regard to who acted badly and who acted well, women seldom initiated divorce.

    Blaming the victim.  Again.  So. Fucking. Typical.

    And before no-fault and its awards of income and property without regard to who acted badly and who acted well, women seldom initiated divorce.

    How do you know income and property are awarded without regard to who acted badly?

    The fact that you can get a divorce without demonstrating fault doesn’t mean that fault can’t be considered in divorce judgments. That is a totally unwarranted assumption on your part.

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