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Invasion has been bad for American Indians in the past. They sense it will be bad for them in the future. American Indians are the original nativists, even more nativist than native-born whites:

The nerve! Where do they get off thinking this land is their land, anyway?

Thanks to commenter t, with an appropriately laconic handle, for the heads up.

GSS variables used: LETIN1A(1-2)(3)(4-5), RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), ETHNIC(30)

 
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  1. by 2040 when they’re in total control, will the new paper americans take away their casinos? reservations?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    by 2040 when they’re in total control, will the new paper americans take away their casinos? reservations?
     
    No, they'll simply declare themselves to be the New Native Americans and undercut their action by doing the jobs Original Native Americans won't do (at the wages on offer).
    , @Audacious Epigone
    If there hasn't been political dissolution by then--I think there will have been--there is little reason to think that the New Americans will respect the sovereign tribal arrangements as they currently exist. East Asians love to gamble, after all!
    , @Malla
    Check out how the vibrant, moral superior dominant crowd (Blacks and Asian Indians) in Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago treat their Native American Indians. They treat the natives like crap. And your Afro Guyanese or Indian Trinidadian will go to the USA and try to guilt trip a White American over US Native Americans.
  2. And “native americans” are spot on.

  3. And Native Americans are spot on.

  4. American Indians are the original nativists

    Some American Indians are more native than others since there were several migration pulses from Asia. Na-Dene speakers are probably much later arrivals than Uto-Aztecan speakers.

    And then, of course, there is that inconvenient fact that a lot of “Indians” appear to be rather… white.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Why are the two continents of the western hemisphere the only ones with no indigenous race of people? Africa has black people, Asia has yellow people, Europe has white people, but the western hemisphere is peopled with immigrants? I don't buy it, and I think it's absurd to think that all humanity started in Africa.

    The idea of only 3 races is recent. Lakota and others have a traditional view that there are four races of people; Red, Yellow, Black and White, just as there are four cardinal directions, North, South, East and West. Uchi people, in their oral history, say that they came to North America by sea. The Uchi language is unique among other western hemisphere indigenous languages.

    There has been a lot of study on the probability that Creek tribes migrated from South America. These studies are much better founded than the land bridge idea.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.
  5. good grief,

    let’s just define native as those here at least one generation before new arrivals.

    • Agree: 95Theses
  6. replacing the population with people who feel no sense of responsibility for the Indians is not going to help them at all.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  7. Let’s expand the reservations to statewide-sized areas with existing towns and cities grandfathered in and give the tribal councils a say in immigration policy. The left would be hard-pressed to position themselves on the moral high ground in opposition.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Along those lines, I've thought for along time now, that if things come to a head, such as the "End the Hate, Separate!" thing, that whites ought to find a way to ally with the feather Indians. What I mean is that history has loads of US Gov't agreements with them, mostly broken of course, that see them as separate NATIONS. We've all heard of the Indian nations.

    If the Indians are supposed to have their own laws, such as those allowing fishing the rivers for salmon with nets, legal peyote (not a big deal anymore), and freedom from quite a few oppressive laws of the American police state, then maybe we can work out a deal to become part of their nations. They may have the firewater, but we have the firepower.

    I'm gonna sketch this out in a blog post sometime.
  8. Which Indian are we talking about here? You need to be more specific.

    Here from Jamaica bay (and I’m sure this holds true for most of the north east as well as half moon bay across the country, seattle etc), an Indian usually implies a snobbish upper caste fella with a dot on his/her forehead and an extended clan full of saree clad womenfolk and elderly parents on medicaid.

    I’m sure we are talking the “native Indians” here. Back when I was a kid, an Indian meant a native american. For my kids though, it is the dot indian. Give it a decade and continued “legal” immigration, our dot Indian population would become doubled than that of those casino indians. Which caste will they designate us to by the way??

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Most 'first peoples', to borrow a Canadian term, prefer "American Indian" to "Native American". Because nobody cares what they think, they still mostly get called the latter. Since Sanjay who just arrived last week is more American than you or I, I guess that's convenient so that "American Indian" doesn't confuse feathers and dots. But I don't care. I'll respect our American Indians and call them what they prefer to be called.
  9. Buried lede: Immigrants think immigration is good. And also, Ronald McDonald thinks that tacos and chicken are bad for you.

  10. I’m telling you, somebody needs to trademark these.

    ETHS

    I Reject Your Hypothesis!

    WWCHD?

    What would Crazy Horse do?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Explain the ETHS, please, Iffen.

    I like the 2nd one, a lot. Are we talking about the Indian, though, or Neil Young's band.

    Please do not confuse Hey, Hey, My, My, with the acoustic song on the 1st side of the album, My, My, Hey, Hey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331kyZ9OXMc
    , @Audacious Epigone
    End the hate, separate doesn't work well as an acronym. Maybe just ETH for end the hate. Brings "ethnic" to mind, with the implication that all of them should be respected.
  11. @Lockean Proviso
    Let's expand the reservations to statewide-sized areas with existing towns and cities grandfathered in and give the tribal councils a say in immigration policy. The left would be hard-pressed to position themselves on the moral high ground in opposition.

    Along those lines, I’ve thought for along time now, that if things come to a head, such as the “End the Hate, Separate!” thing, that whites ought to find a way to ally with the feather Indians. What I mean is that history has loads of US Gov’t agreements with them, mostly broken of course, that see them as separate NATIONS. We’ve all heard of the Indian nations.

    If the Indians are supposed to have their own laws, such as those allowing fishing the rivers for salmon with nets, legal peyote (not a big deal anymore), and freedom from quite a few oppressive laws of the American police state, then maybe we can work out a deal to become part of their nations. They may have the firewater, but we have the firepower.

    I’m gonna sketch this out in a blog post sometime.

  12. @iffen
    I'm telling you, somebody needs to trademark these.

    ETHS

    I Reject Your Hypothesis!

    WWCHD?

    What would Crazy Horse do?

    Explain the ETHS, please, Iffen.

    I like the 2nd one, a lot. Are we talking about the Indian, though, or Neil Young’s band.

    Please do not confuse Hey, Hey, My, My, with the acoustic song on the 1st side of the album, My, My, Hey, Hey.

    • Replies: @iffen
    End The Hate, Separate
  13. @Achmed E. Newman
    Explain the ETHS, please, Iffen.

    I like the 2nd one, a lot. Are we talking about the Indian, though, or Neil Young's band.

    Please do not confuse Hey, Hey, My, My, with the acoustic song on the 1st side of the album, My, My, Hey, Hey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331kyZ9OXMc

    End The Hate, Separate

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, never mind. I thought that one had to do with "I Reject This Hypothesis".
  14. @iffen
    End The Hate, Separate

    OK, never mind. I thought that one had to do with “I Reject This Hypothesis”.

    • Replies: @iffen
    “I Reject Your Hypothesis”

    In case you missed it, this was Q. Tarantino's response when he was questioned on the limited speaking role of Sharon Tate in his movie.
  15. @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, never mind. I thought that one had to do with "I Reject This Hypothesis".

    “I Reject Your Hypothesis”

    In case you missed it, this was Q. Tarantino’s response when he was questioned on the limited speaking role of Sharon Tate in his movie.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Anything related to Hollywood and the people who inhabit the place is something I make an effort to miss, so you got it, I missed it.
  16. I went to wikipedia and did a search on “white guilt,” and the only thing I found on the page was a link to this blog post.

    • Replies: @iffen
    It is better known as The White Man's Burden. Try searching for that.
  17. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I went to wikipedia and did a search on "white guilt," and the only thing I found on the page was a link to this blog post.

    It is better known as The White Man’s Burden. Try searching for that.

  18. @iffen
    “I Reject Your Hypothesis”

    In case you missed it, this was Q. Tarantino's response when he was questioned on the limited speaking role of Sharon Tate in his movie.

    Anything related to Hollywood and the people who inhabit the place is something I make an effort to miss, so you got it, I missed it.

  19. @prime noticer
    by 2040 when they're in total control, will the new paper americans take away their casinos? reservations?

    by 2040 when they’re in total control, will the new paper americans take away their casinos? reservations?

    No, they’ll simply declare themselves to be the New Native Americans and undercut their action by doing the jobs Original Native Americans won’t do (at the wages on offer).

  20. @Twinkie

    American Indians are the original nativists
     
    Some American Indians are more native than others since there were several migration pulses from Asia. Na-Dene speakers are probably much later arrivals than Uto-Aztecan speakers.

    And then, of course, there is that inconvenient fact that a lot of “Indians” appear to be rather... white.

    Why are the two continents of the western hemisphere the only ones with no indigenous race of people? Africa has black people, Asia has yellow people, Europe has white people, but the western hemisphere is peopled with immigrants? I don’t buy it, and I think it’s absurd to think that all humanity started in Africa.

    The idea of only 3 races is recent. Lakota and others have a traditional view that there are four races of people; Red, Yellow, Black and White, just as there are four cardinal directions, North, South, East and West. Uchi people, in their oral history, say that they came to North America by sea. The Uchi language is unique among other western hemisphere indigenous languages.

    There has been a lot of study on the probability that Creek tribes migrated from South America. These studies are much better founded than the land bridge idea.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Why are the two continents of the western hemisphere the only ones with no indigenous race of people? Africa has black people, Asia has yellow people, Europe has white people, but the western hemisphere is peopled with immigrants?
     
    Human beings did not spontaneously arise in various parts of the world. They began in Africa (of possibly mixed archaic origins) and colonized the rest of the world. People who eventually settled in Eurasia also incorporated a small element of other archaic hominins.
    , @Logan
    Your question is actually a good one. Why are those descended from Africans who moved into Europe and Asia or Australia not classified as immigrants?
  21. @prime noticer
    by 2040 when they're in total control, will the new paper americans take away their casinos? reservations?

    If there hasn’t been political dissolution by then–I think there will have been–there is little reason to think that the New Americans will respect the sovereign tribal arrangements as they currently exist. East Asians love to gamble, after all!

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager

    East Asians love to gamble, after all!
     
    "Love" may be putting lightly. There's plenty of "card rooms" in the Bay Area that do a brisk business, and all it would take would a loosening of gambling laws for them to start to squeeze those profit margins.
  22. @Twinkie

    American Indians are the original nativists
     
    Some American Indians are more native than others since there were several migration pulses from Asia. Na-Dene speakers are probably much later arrivals than Uto-Aztecan speakers.

    And then, of course, there is that inconvenient fact that a lot of “Indians” appear to be rather... white.

    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.
     
    Maybe. A lot of those, er, white-ish Indians seem to act more "Indian" than more full-blooded Indians though. At least in public.

    But that's a whole other bag of worms. One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these "Indians," which explains why so many of these groups strenuously resist genetic testing of their tribal leaders and rank-and-file.

    My guess is, it's going to turn out that the rest of us have been subsidizing, via the federal government, a whole lot of white people with minute, if any, Indian ancestry.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Probably so. The tribes with no minimum blood quantum requirements are the ones I'll assume are the "white indians" being mentioned. Those tribes are influenced to a greater extent by the more traditional members, because the clan systems are still in place.

    Clan membership is matrilineal, and the more white (or black) ancestry a tribe member has, the less likely that member is to have an identifiable tie to a clan through his/her mother. Traditionals are much less likely to go along with the current push for more immigration, at least among the people I know.

  23. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    No telling what the future holds in a nation in demographic flux. What coalitions, factions, and groups that become dominant isnt set in stone.

    Bet you one thing though, some minority millionaires will be buying some media to speak directly to minority peoples. They may have to get 24 hour personal securityto safely do it, but they will eventually get tired if our present establishment and its mouthpieces.

  24. @Twodees Partain
    Why are the two continents of the western hemisphere the only ones with no indigenous race of people? Africa has black people, Asia has yellow people, Europe has white people, but the western hemisphere is peopled with immigrants? I don't buy it, and I think it's absurd to think that all humanity started in Africa.

    The idea of only 3 races is recent. Lakota and others have a traditional view that there are four races of people; Red, Yellow, Black and White, just as there are four cardinal directions, North, South, East and West. Uchi people, in their oral history, say that they came to North America by sea. The Uchi language is unique among other western hemisphere indigenous languages.

    There has been a lot of study on the probability that Creek tribes migrated from South America. These studies are much better founded than the land bridge idea.

    Why are the two continents of the western hemisphere the only ones with no indigenous race of people? Africa has black people, Asia has yellow people, Europe has white people, but the western hemisphere is peopled with immigrants?

    Human beings did not spontaneously arise in various parts of the world. They began in Africa (of possibly mixed archaic origins) and colonized the rest of the world. People who eventually settled in Eurasia also incorporated a small element of other archaic hominins.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Really, you didn't have to repeat the myth for me. It's a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn't as if I don't understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition, and I think that it's likely to be disproven as dating technology becomes more sophisticated and archaeological finds continue.

    So far, only about 12 "archaic hominems" are recognized among those who have formed a consensus on the subject. Science is not conducted by consensus, however, and attempts to dictate conformity will eventually fail.
  25. @Audacious Epigone
    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.

    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.

    Maybe. A lot of those, er, white-ish Indians seem to act more “Indian” than more full-blooded Indians though. At least in public.

    But that’s a whole other bag of worms. One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these “Indians,” which explains why so many of these groups strenuously resist genetic testing of their tribal leaders and rank-and-file.

    My guess is, it’s going to turn out that the rest of us have been subsidizing, via the federal government, a whole lot of white people with minute, if any, Indian ancestry.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @iffen
    One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these “Indians,”

    Why do you say this? Are the various tribes going to change their minds about genetic tests?
    , @Saxon
    I think it's pretty well known that most of them are between 50-75% European ancestry which is why the genetic testing didn't last very long. There are some fakers that have even less or none, as well. The Elizabeth Warren types who cynically claim it to get advantages and free stuff.
  26. @Twinkie

    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.
     
    Maybe. A lot of those, er, white-ish Indians seem to act more "Indian" than more full-blooded Indians though. At least in public.

    But that's a whole other bag of worms. One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these "Indians," which explains why so many of these groups strenuously resist genetic testing of their tribal leaders and rank-and-file.

    My guess is, it's going to turn out that the rest of us have been subsidizing, via the federal government, a whole lot of white people with minute, if any, Indian ancestry.

    One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these “Indians,”

    Why do you say this? Are the various tribes going to change their minds about genetic tests?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Why do you say this? Are the various tribes going to change their minds about genetic tests?
     
    Likely not. But many of these tribes are notoriously ripe with corruption and there are bound to be disgruntled and/or expelled (unenrolled) members.
  27. @prime noticer
    by 2040 when they're in total control, will the new paper americans take away their casinos? reservations?

    Check out how the vibrant, moral superior dominant crowd (Blacks and Asian Indians) in Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago treat their Native American Indians. They treat the natives like crap. And your Afro Guyanese or Indian Trinidadian will go to the USA and try to guilt trip a White American over US Native Americans.

    • Replies: @Anon
    White people haven't cared about Natives since the 80s. Indians and Blacks never have.

    Nobody cares about them anymore.

    Probably because Jews don't care about them. If you don't have the support of Jews, you can't "guilt trip" Whites. The key to "guilt tripping" Whites is Jewish support. Once Jews are on your side, you can run "guilt" scams for a while. Lots of Indian immigrants are getting into these.

    There are Whites trying to "guilt trip" India over Kashmir, whose Muslims were previously coddled by India (especially Congress). Other than liberal Indians, probably won't work. Indian masses won't care and have always resented the historical pampering of Muslims.

    Whites don't like the pampering of nonwhites either, but Jews force it on them. Without Jews, White countries would be more like India.
  28. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla
    Check out how the vibrant, moral superior dominant crowd (Blacks and Asian Indians) in Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago treat their Native American Indians. They treat the natives like crap. And your Afro Guyanese or Indian Trinidadian will go to the USA and try to guilt trip a White American over US Native Americans.

    White people haven’t cared about Natives since the 80s. Indians and Blacks never have.

    Nobody cares about them anymore.

    Probably because Jews don’t care about them. If you don’t have the support of Jews, you can’t “guilt trip” Whites. The key to “guilt tripping” Whites is Jewish support. Once Jews are on your side, you can run “guilt” scams for a while. Lots of Indian immigrants are getting into these.

    There are Whites trying to “guilt trip” India over Kashmir, whose Muslims were previously coddled by India (especially Congress). Other than liberal Indians, probably won’t work. Indian masses won’t care and have always resented the historical pampering of Muslims.

    Whites don’t like the pampering of nonwhites either, but Jews force it on them. Without Jews, White countries would be more like India.

    • Replies: @Malla

    Without Jews, White countries would be more like India.
     
    I disagree, Whites compared to other populations have a universal justice mindset and tend to support the small guy. Maybe it is the result of Christian (especially Protestant) morals mixed with Northern Euro DNA. However the Jewish-Masonic elites use this tendency to their benefit by manipulating the information flow to Western populations. That way they direct in what way or where, White anger or concern should be directed.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Funny.

    Here in Canada, the "First Nations" are the main source of white guilt.

    Wow, we should be so ashamed about how we treated them! We FORCED them to go to the white man's school - and culturally GENOCIDED them.

    We need to let in 350,000 Dot Indians per year to atone!

    Reminder that the Jew controls the narrative, and he hates you. If slavery didn't exist as American's original sin, the mistreatment of "native Americans" would.
  29. @iffen
    One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these “Indians,”

    Why do you say this? Are the various tribes going to change their minds about genetic tests?

    Why do you say this? Are the various tribes going to change their minds about genetic tests?

    Likely not. But many of these tribes are notoriously ripe with corruption and there are bound to be disgruntled and/or expelled (unenrolled) members.

    • Replies: @iffen
    But many of these tribes are notoriously ripe with corruption and there are bound to be disgruntled and/or expelled (unenrolled) members.

    True enough AFAIK, but I don't see how it can lead to widespread and transparent genetic testing.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "ripe with corruption "

    Did you mean 'rife with corruption'? Tribal enrollment may or may not be contingent on blood quantum, depending on the tribe. Resistance to participation in the UN's Human Genome Project had nothing to do with the fact that DNA testing was involved, if that's what you mean.
  30. @Twinkie

    Why do you say this? Are the various tribes going to change their minds about genetic tests?
     
    Likely not. But many of these tribes are notoriously ripe with corruption and there are bound to be disgruntled and/or expelled (unenrolled) members.

    But many of these tribes are notoriously ripe with corruption and there are bound to be disgruntled and/or expelled (unenrolled) members.

    True enough AFAIK, but I don’t see how it can lead to widespread and transparent genetic testing.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Genetic testing only very recently became vogue. Wait until lawyers get a hold of it.
  31. @iffen
    But many of these tribes are notoriously ripe with corruption and there are bound to be disgruntled and/or expelled (unenrolled) members.

    True enough AFAIK, but I don't see how it can lead to widespread and transparent genetic testing.

    Genetic testing only very recently became vogue. Wait until lawyers get a hold of it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Wait until people with axes to grind take hairs off of coats or wear one-use gloves to slip plastic cups used by the targets into bags and send them off for testing.

    That might even be happening today.
  32. @Twinkie

    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.
     
    Maybe. A lot of those, er, white-ish Indians seem to act more "Indian" than more full-blooded Indians though. At least in public.

    But that's a whole other bag of worms. One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these "Indians," which explains why so many of these groups strenuously resist genetic testing of their tribal leaders and rank-and-file.

    My guess is, it's going to turn out that the rest of us have been subsidizing, via the federal government, a whole lot of white people with minute, if any, Indian ancestry.

    I think it’s pretty well known that most of them are between 50-75% European ancestry which is why the genetic testing didn’t last very long. There are some fakers that have even less or none, as well. The Elizabeth Warren types who cynically claim it to get advantages and free stuff.

  33. How do Indians vote in the elections?

    • Replies: @iffen
    It doesn't matter except in South Dakota.
    , @Republic
    probably straight democrat.
  34. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    How do Indians vote in the elections?

    It doesn’t matter except in South Dakota.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    And Oklahoma.
  35. @Twinkie
    Genetic testing only very recently became vogue. Wait until lawyers get a hold of it.

    Wait until people with axes to grind take hairs off of coats or wear one-use gloves to slip plastic cups used by the targets into bags and send them off for testing.

    That might even be happening today.

  36. @Twinkie

    Why are the two continents of the western hemisphere the only ones with no indigenous race of people? Africa has black people, Asia has yellow people, Europe has white people, but the western hemisphere is peopled with immigrants?
     
    Human beings did not spontaneously arise in various parts of the world. They began in Africa (of possibly mixed archaic origins) and colonized the rest of the world. People who eventually settled in Eurasia also incorporated a small element of other archaic hominins.

    Really, you didn’t have to repeat the myth for me. It’s a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn’t as if I don’t understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition, and I think that it’s likely to be disproven as dating technology becomes more sophisticated and archaeological finds continue.

    So far, only about 12 “archaic hominems” are recognized among those who have formed a consensus on the subject. Science is not conducted by consensus, however, and attempts to dictate conformity will eventually fail.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Really, you didn’t have to repeat the myth for me. It’s a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn’t as if I don’t understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition,
     
    Unfortunately, that's pretty much how it works around here. If you disagree with any portion of the Unzian Standard Model (HBD, neo-Darwinian evolution, out-of-Africa hypothesis), the responses to you will simply be repetition of the same boilerplate that you just demonstrated awareness of by challenging. Apparently your interlocutors cannot conceive of a scenario in which you've read all the same books they have and didn't draw the same conclusions.

    That's because the Standard Model is ideological thinking. It is not a theory but an interpretive paradigm or schema that cannot be refuted by facts or arguments. Thus do the champions of Real Science!™ acquit themselves on this, their signature issue. The high didactic tone is a sort of smite associated with the speaker's own feelings of superiority, which explains its imperious reluctance to acknowledge any dispute.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    Science is not conducted by consensus

    Heretic! Apostate! Ninety-seven percent of all scientists agree we must burn him!
  37. @Audacious Epigone
    Those rather white American Indians probably skew the overall figure positive. Without them, American Indians might look even more restrictionist by this measure.

    Probably so. The tribes with no minimum blood quantum requirements are the ones I’ll assume are the “white indians” being mentioned. Those tribes are influenced to a greater extent by the more traditional members, because the clan systems are still in place.

    Clan membership is matrilineal, and the more white (or black) ancestry a tribe member has, the less likely that member is to have an identifiable tie to a clan through his/her mother. Traditionals are much less likely to go along with the current push for more immigration, at least among the people I know.

  38. I asked an Indian, “Why are there no Indians on Star Trek”? He said there was no work in the future either.

  39. @Twinkie

    Why do you say this? Are the various tribes going to change their minds about genetic tests?
     
    Likely not. But many of these tribes are notoriously ripe with corruption and there are bound to be disgruntled and/or expelled (unenrolled) members.

    “ripe with corruption ”

    Did you mean ‘rife with corruption’? Tribal enrollment may or may not be contingent on blood quantum, depending on the tribe. Resistance to participation in the UN’s Human Genome Project had nothing to do with the fact that DNA testing was involved, if that’s what you mean.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Did you mean ‘rife with corruption’?
     
    Yes. Thanks for the correction.
  40. @Twodees Partain
    Really, you didn't have to repeat the myth for me. It's a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn't as if I don't understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition, and I think that it's likely to be disproven as dating technology becomes more sophisticated and archaeological finds continue.

    So far, only about 12 "archaic hominems" are recognized among those who have formed a consensus on the subject. Science is not conducted by consensus, however, and attempts to dictate conformity will eventually fail.

    Really, you didn’t have to repeat the myth for me. It’s a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn’t as if I don’t understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition,

    Unfortunately, that’s pretty much how it works around here. If you disagree with any portion of the Unzian Standard Model (HBD, neo-Darwinian evolution, out-of-Africa hypothesis), the responses to you will simply be repetition of the same boilerplate that you just demonstrated awareness of by challenging. Apparently your interlocutors cannot conceive of a scenario in which you’ve read all the same books they have and didn’t draw the same conclusions.

    That’s because the Standard Model is ideological thinking. It is not a theory but an interpretive paradigm or schema that cannot be refuted by facts or arguments. Thus do the champions of Real Science!™ acquit themselves on this, their signature issue. The high didactic tone is a sort of smite associated with the speaker’s own feelings of superiority, which explains its imperious reluctance to acknowledge any dispute.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Exactly so, ID. It was the response I expected, but I hoped it would be otherwise. I live in hope, and it's a fool's paradise. ;-)
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Twinkie follows Razib, so I'm sure he's aware that out-of-Africa is up in the air again, or at least not the full story.
  41. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    How do Indians vote in the elections?

    probably straight democrat.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    You would be surprised. That's a typical assumption among republicans about people who mostly don't care about parties in the least.
  42. @Twodees Partain
    Why are the two continents of the western hemisphere the only ones with no indigenous race of people? Africa has black people, Asia has yellow people, Europe has white people, but the western hemisphere is peopled with immigrants? I don't buy it, and I think it's absurd to think that all humanity started in Africa.

    The idea of only 3 races is recent. Lakota and others have a traditional view that there are four races of people; Red, Yellow, Black and White, just as there are four cardinal directions, North, South, East and West. Uchi people, in their oral history, say that they came to North America by sea. The Uchi language is unique among other western hemisphere indigenous languages.

    There has been a lot of study on the probability that Creek tribes migrated from South America. These studies are much better founded than the land bridge idea.

    Your question is actually a good one. Why are those descended from Africans who moved into Europe and Asia or Australia not classified as immigrants?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Logan, I suspect that the reason that the land bridge fable is so popular with the official scientists is that it provides governments here a means of disputing the claims of indigenous people to their own land and to the expectation that the terms of the treaties they made with governments that came after them be honored.

    That "immigrant" fable is usually put forth by someone who proceeds to express the opinion that the treaties should be abrogated, or that the tribes still surviving should be dispossessed of whatever they might still have, etc.

    My view is that the African race originated in Africa, Asians in Asia, the European peoples in Europe, and the American indigenous peoples in North and South America, but mostly in South America and the southern part of North America. There has been a lot of evidence uncovered in the past 50 or so years to support that view of the western hemisphere and its people.
  43. @Intelligent Dasein

    Really, you didn’t have to repeat the myth for me. It’s a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn’t as if I don’t understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition,
     
    Unfortunately, that's pretty much how it works around here. If you disagree with any portion of the Unzian Standard Model (HBD, neo-Darwinian evolution, out-of-Africa hypothesis), the responses to you will simply be repetition of the same boilerplate that you just demonstrated awareness of by challenging. Apparently your interlocutors cannot conceive of a scenario in which you've read all the same books they have and didn't draw the same conclusions.

    That's because the Standard Model is ideological thinking. It is not a theory but an interpretive paradigm or schema that cannot be refuted by facts or arguments. Thus do the champions of Real Science!™ acquit themselves on this, their signature issue. The high didactic tone is a sort of smite associated with the speaker's own feelings of superiority, which explains its imperious reluctance to acknowledge any dispute.

    Exactly so, ID. It was the response I expected, but I hoped it would be otherwise. I live in hope, and it’s a fool’s paradise. 😉

  44. @Logan
    Your question is actually a good one. Why are those descended from Africans who moved into Europe and Asia or Australia not classified as immigrants?

    Logan, I suspect that the reason that the land bridge fable is so popular with the official scientists is that it provides governments here a means of disputing the claims of indigenous people to their own land and to the expectation that the terms of the treaties they made with governments that came after them be honored.

    That “immigrant” fable is usually put forth by someone who proceeds to express the opinion that the treaties should be abrogated, or that the tribes still surviving should be dispossessed of whatever they might still have, etc.

    My view is that the African race originated in Africa, Asians in Asia, the European peoples in Europe, and the American indigenous peoples in North and South America, but mostly in South America and the southern part of North America. There has been a lot of evidence uncovered in the past 50 or so years to support that view of the western hemisphere and its people.

  45. @iffen
    It doesn't matter except in South Dakota.

    And Oklahoma.

  46. @LessH1B
    Which Indian are we talking about here? You need to be more specific.

    Here from Jamaica bay (and I'm sure this holds true for most of the north east as well as half moon bay across the country, seattle etc), an Indian usually implies a snobbish upper caste fella with a dot on his/her forehead and an extended clan full of saree clad womenfolk and elderly parents on medicaid.

    I'm sure we are talking the "native Indians" here. Back when I was a kid, an Indian meant a native american. For my kids though, it is the dot indian. Give it a decade and continued "legal" immigration, our dot Indian population would become doubled than that of those casino indians. Which caste will they designate us to by the way??

    Most ‘first peoples’, to borrow a Canadian term, prefer “American Indian” to “Native American”. Because nobody cares what they think, they still mostly get called the latter. Since Sanjay who just arrived last week is more American than you or I, I guess that’s convenient so that “American Indian” doesn’t confuse feathers and dots. But I don’t care. I’ll respect our American Indians and call them what they prefer to be called.

  47. @iffen
    I'm telling you, somebody needs to trademark these.

    ETHS

    I Reject Your Hypothesis!

    WWCHD?

    What would Crazy Horse do?

    End the hate, separate doesn’t work well as an acronym. Maybe just ETH for end the hate. Brings “ethnic” to mind, with the implication that all of them should be respected.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    End The Hate, No Involuntary Commingling.
  48. @Intelligent Dasein

    Really, you didn’t have to repeat the myth for me. It’s a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn’t as if I don’t understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition,
     
    Unfortunately, that's pretty much how it works around here. If you disagree with any portion of the Unzian Standard Model (HBD, neo-Darwinian evolution, out-of-Africa hypothesis), the responses to you will simply be repetition of the same boilerplate that you just demonstrated awareness of by challenging. Apparently your interlocutors cannot conceive of a scenario in which you've read all the same books they have and didn't draw the same conclusions.

    That's because the Standard Model is ideological thinking. It is not a theory but an interpretive paradigm or schema that cannot be refuted by facts or arguments. Thus do the champions of Real Science!™ acquit themselves on this, their signature issue. The high didactic tone is a sort of smite associated with the speaker's own feelings of superiority, which explains its imperious reluctance to acknowledge any dispute.

    Twinkie follows Razib, so I’m sure he’s aware that out-of-Africa is up in the air again, or at least not the full story.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Twinkie follows Razib, so I’m sure he’s aware that out-of-Africa is up in the air again, or at least not the full story.
     
    I think he still broadly subscribes to “out-of-Africa,” but there might have been multiple origins in Africa itself.
  49. Dismissively small sample size of 51, but GSS shows them going 43% Clinton, 37% Trump.

  50. @Audacious Epigone
    End the hate, separate doesn't work well as an acronym. Maybe just ETH for end the hate. Brings "ethnic" to mind, with the implication that all of them should be respected.

    End The Hate, No Involuntary Commingling.

  51. @Anon
    White people haven't cared about Natives since the 80s. Indians and Blacks never have.

    Nobody cares about them anymore.

    Probably because Jews don't care about them. If you don't have the support of Jews, you can't "guilt trip" Whites. The key to "guilt tripping" Whites is Jewish support. Once Jews are on your side, you can run "guilt" scams for a while. Lots of Indian immigrants are getting into these.

    There are Whites trying to "guilt trip" India over Kashmir, whose Muslims were previously coddled by India (especially Congress). Other than liberal Indians, probably won't work. Indian masses won't care and have always resented the historical pampering of Muslims.

    Whites don't like the pampering of nonwhites either, but Jews force it on them. Without Jews, White countries would be more like India.

    Without Jews, White countries would be more like India.

    I disagree, Whites compared to other populations have a universal justice mindset and tend to support the small guy. Maybe it is the result of Christian (especially Protestant) morals mixed with Northern Euro DNA. However the Jewish-Masonic elites use this tendency to their benefit by manipulating the information flow to Western populations. That way they direct in what way or where, White anger or concern should be directed.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    True.

    But if this anger ever snaps, watch out.

    Whites are great at whatever we set our minds to. Right now, our minds have been (((set))) to self destruct.

    As we saw with Hitler, though. If we become angry things can change quite quickly.

    Right now though, I'm not sure whether or not we will ever see this wrath again before our ultimate genocide wipes us from the face of the earth. The (((history books))) will not even mention the funny looking albino people. We never existed.

  52. @Twodees Partain
    Really, you didn't have to repeat the myth for me. It's a familiar line of muddled thinking to me so it isn't as if I don't understand the proposition(s) involved. I just find it an absurd proposition, and I think that it's likely to be disproven as dating technology becomes more sophisticated and archaeological finds continue.

    So far, only about 12 "archaic hominems" are recognized among those who have formed a consensus on the subject. Science is not conducted by consensus, however, and attempts to dictate conformity will eventually fail.

    Science is not conducted by consensus

    Heretic! Apostate! Ninety-seven percent of all scientists agree we must burn him!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Aha! A clarification! Here I was thinking that 99.999% of all scientists agree. Obviously I was misinformed. ;-)
  53. @Audacious Epigone
    If there hasn't been political dissolution by then--I think there will have been--there is little reason to think that the New Americans will respect the sovereign tribal arrangements as they currently exist. East Asians love to gamble, after all!

    East Asians love to gamble, after all!

    “Love” may be putting lightly. There’s plenty of “card rooms” in the Bay Area that do a brisk business, and all it would take would a loosening of gambling laws for them to start to squeeze those profit margins.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    The last FBI data I saw had “Asians” with very low crime rates (much lower than white rates, even) except in one category - gambling.

    I hate gambling, because I don’t like to play games where the odds are stacked against me, but, yes, East Asians in general are crazy about gambling... which I find strange given how risk-averse East Asians are on average.
  54. @Audacious Epigone
    Twinkie follows Razib, so I'm sure he's aware that out-of-Africa is up in the air again, or at least not the full story.

    Twinkie follows Razib, so I’m sure he’s aware that out-of-Africa is up in the air again, or at least not the full story.

    I think he still broadly subscribes to “out-of-Africa,” but there might have been multiple origins in Africa itself.

  55. @Oleaginous Outrager

    East Asians love to gamble, after all!
     
    "Love" may be putting lightly. There's plenty of "card rooms" in the Bay Area that do a brisk business, and all it would take would a loosening of gambling laws for them to start to squeeze those profit margins.

    The last FBI data I saw had “Asians” with very low crime rates (much lower than white rates, even) except in one category – gambling.

    I hate gambling, because I don’t like to play games where the odds are stacked against me, but, yes, East Asians in general are crazy about gambling… which I find strange given how risk-averse East Asians are on average.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If there are any crimes that should be decriminalized or legalized, they should be alcohol, drugs, sex work, or gambling.

    I'm not saying they should be legal or decriminalized everywhere, but it makes sense to do it in some places.

    If you ask random Americans about crime, almost all will say that murder, rape, theft, torture, etc should be illegal. But many will say that alcohol should stay legal, or that weed should be decriminalized or legalized. Same with sex work or gambling.

    It makes sense to me that the East Asians would pick gambling as their vice outlet, because it's less risky and socially destructive than murder, armed robbery, rape, drunk driving, drug dealing, or meth addiction.
  56. @Twodees Partain
    "ripe with corruption "

    Did you mean 'rife with corruption'? Tribal enrollment may or may not be contingent on blood quantum, depending on the tribe. Resistance to participation in the UN's Human Genome Project had nothing to do with the fact that DNA testing was involved, if that's what you mean.

    Did you mean ‘rife with corruption’?

    Yes. Thanks for the correction.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    No comment about the DNA testing that you claimed earlier (without any reference) was being resisted by some "groups"?

    #25 "But that’s a whole other bag of worms. One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these “Indians,” which explains why so many of these groups strenuously resist genetic testing of their tribal leaders and rank-and-file."

    What "groups"? If you meant tribes it would be easy enough to link to something that illustrates the "resistance".
  57. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    The last FBI data I saw had “Asians” with very low crime rates (much lower than white rates, even) except in one category - gambling.

    I hate gambling, because I don’t like to play games where the odds are stacked against me, but, yes, East Asians in general are crazy about gambling... which I find strange given how risk-averse East Asians are on average.

    If there are any crimes that should be decriminalized or legalized, they should be alcohol, drugs, sex work, or gambling.

    I’m not saying they should be legal or decriminalized everywhere, but it makes sense to do it in some places.

    If you ask random Americans about crime, almost all will say that murder, rape, theft, torture, etc should be illegal. But many will say that alcohol should stay legal, or that weed should be decriminalized or legalized. Same with sex work or gambling.

    It makes sense to me that the East Asians would pick gambling as their vice outlet, because it’s less risky and socially destructive than murder, armed robbery, rape, drunk driving, drug dealing, or meth addiction.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    should be decriminalized or legalized, they should be alcohol, drugs, sex work, or gambling

     

    We just have to get organized crime onboard with the idea of losing all their revinue to make it happen.
  58. @Oleaginous Outrager
    Science is not conducted by consensus

    Heretic! Apostate! Ninety-seven percent of all scientists agree we must burn him!

    Aha! A clarification! Here I was thinking that 99.999% of all scientists agree. Obviously I was misinformed. 😉

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    If you're trying to sell some BS, "97%" is the number. Steve Kerr said just the other day that "97% of the American people want 'common sense' gun laws".
  59. @Twinkie

    Did you mean ‘rife with corruption’?
     
    Yes. Thanks for the correction.

    No comment about the DNA testing that you claimed earlier (without any reference) was being resisted by some “groups”?

    #25 “But that’s a whole other bag of worms. One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these “Indians,” which explains why so many of these groups strenuously resist genetic testing of their tribal leaders and rank-and-file.”

    What “groups”? If you meant tribes it would be easy enough to link to something that illustrates the “resistance”.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/10/06/native-americans-fear-potential-exploitation-dna/
  60. @Republic
    probably straight democrat.

    You would be surprised. That’s a typical assumption among republicans about people who mostly don’t care about parties in the least.

  61. @Twodees Partain
    Aha! A clarification! Here I was thinking that 99.999% of all scientists agree. Obviously I was misinformed. ;-)

    If you’re trying to sell some BS, “97%” is the number. Steve Kerr said just the other day that “97% of the American people want ‘common sense’ gun laws”.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Yeah, It's the standard claim these days, or so it seems. It's easy to sell that kind of bullshit when there are so many willing or uncritical buyers. Kerr is such a salesman, y'know.
  62. @Oleaginous Outrager
    If you're trying to sell some BS, "97%" is the number. Steve Kerr said just the other day that "97% of the American people want 'common sense' gun laws".

    Yeah, It’s the standard claim these days, or so it seems. It’s easy to sell that kind of bullshit when there are so many willing or uncritical buyers. Kerr is such a salesman, y’know.

  63. Indians have nothing to teach the West:

    • Replies: @RSDB
    Bombay's worst slum has nothing to teach you?

    I don't know, I expect that depends on what precisely you want to learn.
  64. @Twodees Partain
    No comment about the DNA testing that you claimed earlier (without any reference) was being resisted by some "groups"?

    #25 "But that’s a whole other bag of worms. One of these days, there is going to be a genetic reckoning for these “Indians,” which explains why so many of these groups strenuously resist genetic testing of their tribal leaders and rank-and-file."

    What "groups"? If you meant tribes it would be easy enough to link to something that illustrates the "resistance".
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    That doesn't support your claim that indians resist DNA testing because it might reveal that they are white. There are valid reasons that are listed in the article. You took your claim from the comments section following the article:

    "Avatar
    Jaime Andres Pretell • 3 years ago

    Many so called Natives in the US are afraid just how non Native they really are.

    4

    Reply

    Share ›"

    That wasn't even a nice try.
  65. @Anon
    White people haven't cared about Natives since the 80s. Indians and Blacks never have.

    Nobody cares about them anymore.

    Probably because Jews don't care about them. If you don't have the support of Jews, you can't "guilt trip" Whites. The key to "guilt tripping" Whites is Jewish support. Once Jews are on your side, you can run "guilt" scams for a while. Lots of Indian immigrants are getting into these.

    There are Whites trying to "guilt trip" India over Kashmir, whose Muslims were previously coddled by India (especially Congress). Other than liberal Indians, probably won't work. Indian masses won't care and have always resented the historical pampering of Muslims.

    Whites don't like the pampering of nonwhites either, but Jews force it on them. Without Jews, White countries would be more like India.

    Funny.

    Here in Canada, the “First Nations” are the main source of white guilt.

    Wow, we should be so ashamed about how we treated them! We FORCED them to go to the white man’s school – and culturally GENOCIDED them.

    We need to let in 350,000 Dot Indians per year to atone!

    Reminder that the Jew controls the narrative, and he hates you. If slavery didn’t exist as American’s original sin, the mistreatment of “native Americans” would.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  66. @Malla

    Without Jews, White countries would be more like India.
     
    I disagree, Whites compared to other populations have a universal justice mindset and tend to support the small guy. Maybe it is the result of Christian (especially Protestant) morals mixed with Northern Euro DNA. However the Jewish-Masonic elites use this tendency to their benefit by manipulating the information flow to Western populations. That way they direct in what way or where, White anger or concern should be directed.

    True.

    But if this anger ever snaps, watch out.

    Whites are great at whatever we set our minds to. Right now, our minds have been (((set))) to self destruct.

    As we saw with Hitler, though. If we become angry things can change quite quickly.

    Right now though, I’m not sure whether or not we will ever see this wrath again before our ultimate genocide wipes us from the face of the earth. The (((history books))) will not even mention the funny looking albino people. We never existed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    That depends whether the (((writers))) of the history books continue to exist.  Given that (((their))) pets hate (((them))) as much as they do us (or more), their survival is far from assured.  If the USA collapses, the Arab world will have free rein in greater Palestine and even nuclear bombs will not change the outcome.

    As Q writes, these people are stupid.  All they have is hate.  They do not think far enough beyond that to understand consequences, and that will be their doom.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Ha, yes, because the rise and fall of Hitler wasn't the ultimate in white self-destruction!
    , @Audacious Epigone
    And fertility, which will be much more determinative than war in terms of who controls the future, is even worse for Jews than for white gentiles. Who will write The Decline and Fall of the Western World remains an open question, but my money is on the Chinese. Yes, their fertility is disastrous now, too, but I ultimately think they'll be able to figure out a way to turn it around before we do.
  67. You put a comment limit on my handle? Pathetic. In all seriousness, you’re a coward and a hypocrite.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Before you go half-cocked, I’ve been limited to 3 per hour as well. I doubt it was done manually.
    , @iffen
    I am reasonably sure that it is a UR feature, just like the limits on using the agree tab. R. Unz doesn't want you people using the comment section as a forum. He wants long (higher word count the better) comments that are on the topic (topicality as defined by him) of the posts.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I didn't do this. I've emailed Ron about it.
  68. @MikeatMikedotMike
    You put a comment limit on my handle? Pathetic. In all seriousness, you're a coward and a hypocrite.

    Before you go half-cocked, I’ve been limited to 3 per hour as well. I doubt it was done manually.

  69. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    True.

    But if this anger ever snaps, watch out.

    Whites are great at whatever we set our minds to. Right now, our minds have been (((set))) to self destruct.

    As we saw with Hitler, though. If we become angry things can change quite quickly.

    Right now though, I'm not sure whether or not we will ever see this wrath again before our ultimate genocide wipes us from the face of the earth. The (((history books))) will not even mention the funny looking albino people. We never existed.

    That depends whether the (((writers))) of the history books continue to exist.  Given that (((their))) pets hate (((them))) as much as they do us (or more), their survival is far from assured.  If the USA collapses, the Arab world will have free rein in greater Palestine and even nuclear bombs will not change the outcome.

    As Q writes, these people are stupid.  All they have is hate.  They do not think far enough beyond that to understand consequences, and that will be their doom.

  70. @MikeatMikedotMike
    You put a comment limit on my handle? Pathetic. In all seriousness, you're a coward and a hypocrite.

    I am reasonably sure that it is a UR feature, just like the limits on using the agree tab. R. Unz doesn’t want you people using the comment section as a forum. He wants long (higher word count the better) comments that are on the topic (topicality as defined by him) of the posts.

    • Agree: PetrOldSack
  71. @Twinkie
    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/10/06/native-americans-fear-potential-exploitation-dna/

    That doesn’t support your claim that indians resist DNA testing because it might reveal that they are white. There are valid reasons that are listed in the article. You took your claim from the comments section following the article:

    “Avatar
    Jaime Andres Pretell • 3 years ago

    Many so called Natives in the US are afraid just how non Native they really are.

    4

    Reply

    Share ›”

    That wasn’t even a nice try.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I didn’t read the comments on the article.

    There are valid reasons that are listed in the article.
     
    And you take those valid reasons at face value? You don’t think some Indians are not concerned that DNA testing might expose some inconvenient facts?
    , @Twinkie
    For example, these are the Mashantucket Pequots:
    https://www.mptn-nsn.gov/uploadedImages/Home_Page/sTC2014.jpg

    Their tribe owns the Foxwoods casino that has earned billions of dollars.
  72. @jim jones
    Indians have nothing to teach the West:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmNk-Li7m2c

    Bombay’s worst slum has nothing to teach you?

    I don’t know, I expect that depends on what precisely you want to learn.

  73. @Anonymous
    If there are any crimes that should be decriminalized or legalized, they should be alcohol, drugs, sex work, or gambling.

    I'm not saying they should be legal or decriminalized everywhere, but it makes sense to do it in some places.

    If you ask random Americans about crime, almost all will say that murder, rape, theft, torture, etc should be illegal. But many will say that alcohol should stay legal, or that weed should be decriminalized or legalized. Same with sex work or gambling.

    It makes sense to me that the East Asians would pick gambling as their vice outlet, because it's less risky and socially destructive than murder, armed robbery, rape, drunk driving, drug dealing, or meth addiction.

    should be decriminalized or legalized, they should be alcohol, drugs, sex work, or gambling

    We just have to get organized crime onboard with the idea of losing all their revinue to make it happen.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  74. @Twodees Partain
    That doesn't support your claim that indians resist DNA testing because it might reveal that they are white. There are valid reasons that are listed in the article. You took your claim from the comments section following the article:

    "Avatar
    Jaime Andres Pretell • 3 years ago

    Many so called Natives in the US are afraid just how non Native they really are.

    4

    Reply

    Share ›"

    That wasn't even a nice try.

    I didn’t read the comments on the article.

    There are valid reasons that are listed in the article.

    And you take those valid reasons at face value? You don’t think some Indians are not concerned that DNA testing might expose some inconvenient facts?

  75. @Twodees Partain
    That doesn't support your claim that indians resist DNA testing because it might reveal that they are white. There are valid reasons that are listed in the article. You took your claim from the comments section following the article:

    "Avatar
    Jaime Andres Pretell • 3 years ago

    Many so called Natives in the US are afraid just how non Native they really are.

    4

    Reply

    Share ›"

    That wasn't even a nice try.

    For example, these are the Mashantucket Pequots:

    Their tribe owns the Foxwoods casino that has earned billions of dollars.

  76. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    True.

    But if this anger ever snaps, watch out.

    Whites are great at whatever we set our minds to. Right now, our minds have been (((set))) to self destruct.

    As we saw with Hitler, though. If we become angry things can change quite quickly.

    Right now though, I'm not sure whether or not we will ever see this wrath again before our ultimate genocide wipes us from the face of the earth. The (((history books))) will not even mention the funny looking albino people. We never existed.

    Ha, yes, because the rise and fall of Hitler wasn’t the ultimate in white self-destruction!

  77. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    True.

    But if this anger ever snaps, watch out.

    Whites are great at whatever we set our minds to. Right now, our minds have been (((set))) to self destruct.

    As we saw with Hitler, though. If we become angry things can change quite quickly.

    Right now though, I'm not sure whether or not we will ever see this wrath again before our ultimate genocide wipes us from the face of the earth. The (((history books))) will not even mention the funny looking albino people. We never existed.

    And fertility, which will be much more determinative than war in terms of who controls the future, is even worse for Jews than for white gentiles. Who will write The Decline and Fall of the Western World remains an open question, but my money is on the Chinese. Yes, their fertility is disastrous now, too, but I ultimately think they’ll be able to figure out a way to turn it around before we do.

  78. @MikeatMikedotMike
    You put a comment limit on my handle? Pathetic. In all seriousness, you're a coward and a hypocrite.

    I didn’t do this. I’ve emailed Ron about it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Someone should remind MMM that impulsively lashing out without proper fact-finding first is a stereotypically black behavior. Oh, no, I am sounding like Thomm!
  79. @Audacious Epigone
    I didn't do this. I've emailed Ron about it.

    Someone should remind MMM that impulsively lashing out without proper fact-finding first is a stereotypically black behavior. Oh, no, I am sounding like Thomm!

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