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Whites:

Support for decreasing immigration was eight times as common as support for increasing it was in 2004. Less than fifteen years later, support for decreasing immigration has dropped to just twice what support for increasing it is.

Blacks:

This shift is staggering. When I started digging into sentiments on immigration as the Trump candidacy was getting underway, I found myself repeatedly surprised by how much support for open borders blacks expressed. Others I shared the findings with were incredulous, too. After all, low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks and they drive down wages for the blacks who do get jobs, etc etc.

My assumption when I discovered this during the Republican primaries was that I must not have been paying much attention to it in the past–my default assumption had been that black opposition to immigration was high, especially relative to white Democrats and Hispanics. Well, when I started blogging in 2005, it was–but it’s not anymore. Old America, white and black, was then largely in agreement regarding immigration–it wanted less of it. No longer.

The drop in restrictionism doesn’t begin in earnest until after Obama’s election (the 2008 figures pre-date the beginning of his actual presidency), so maybe si, se puede is the bulk of the explanation.

Hispanics:

This is the only major demographic group whose sentiments haven’t changed much over the last fifteen years.

Asians:

Sample sizes are small, a bit under 50 per year, so take the graph with a grain of salt. That said, the results wouldn’t look implausible if the sample size was an order of magnitude greater than it actually is.

GSS variables used: LETIN1A(1-2)(3)(4-5), RACECEN1(1)(2)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), YEAR

 
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  1. Most of the country is innumerate or worse, completely clueless, is what I’m getting out of these graphs. The non-stop infotainment off the idiot plate and out of Hollywood is not helpful either. Some people gotta learn the hard way.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    "Some people gotta learn the hard way."

    Well, I've learned and wish to avoid that hard way coming my way while waiting for those people to get a clue.

  2. “After all, low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks and they drive down wages for the blacks who do get jobs, etc etc.”

    Blacks as a group have absolutely no idea that this is the result of increased immigration. None. They see more immigration as more allies against The Man.

    Today’s front page article by Morris V. deCamp is a must read and related to this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-american-race-war-of-1968/

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    high time preference

    "ayo, deez messicans be hatin on da whyte man. le'm in!"
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED, Mike - I think they believe anything the white guys don't like is something they ought to be for, even if they do understand the consequences for themselves. Unfortunately, as Arclight above stated, most of them just don't do that hard thinking that would make them care enough, even if they don't hate the white man's world.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    "low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks"

    Which jobs are these? Most of those low-to-no-skill jobs are either off shored, no longer exist, or were never commonly filled by blacks (except in the south, perhaps).
  3. So what’s the antidote?

    I remember having a conversation about immigration with a handful of my older black neighbors in DC about 10 years go. They wistfully noted that they did work that used to be done by black laborers, but the attitude just seemed to be “well, that’s the way things are today” rather than any real resentment.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    I'm sure they'll love being ethnically cleansed like Latino gangs are doing in Compton and Chicago
  4. If you use RACEHISP(3) you see a modest Hispanic shift towards open borders.

    As for Blacks I think it’s reaction to whites acting racially. Trump has not been good at focusing on the cheep labor aspect of immigration.

  5. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "After all, low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks and they drive down wages for the blacks who do get jobs, etc etc."

    Blacks as a group have absolutely no idea that this is the result of increased immigration. None. They see more immigration as more allies against The Man.

    Today's front page article by Morris V. deCamp is a must read and related to this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-american-race-war-of-1968/

    high time preference

    “ayo, deez messicans be hatin on da whyte man. le’m in!”

  6. In short, people are perfectly okay with that status quo.

  7. My hunch is Blacks want more Mexicans here because it means more day laborers to rob on Friday afternoons and no police involvement. While that’s somewhat tongue in cheek, Blacks do view immigrants as easy marks. There was a rap song by YG about how Chinese people don’t believe in banks and therefore have lots of paper in their homes. You know what to do, fair listeners…

    On the other hand, American blacks have been quite unwelcoming to Somalis, probably because they see them as darker broke-ass versions of themselves, and therefore competition.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    Somalis are kill or be killed tribalists, who are more than willing to take on soft and lazy American blacks who are accustomed to "normal" American society kowtowing to them. And like you note, Somalis represent a variant of blacks, which other blacks find a little unnerving (blacks expect whites, Mexicans, etc. to be distinct cultures which typical blacks don't really resent that much, on the other hand shouldn't all brothas act like uh, brothas in America?)
  8. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "After all, low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks and they drive down wages for the blacks who do get jobs, etc etc."

    Blacks as a group have absolutely no idea that this is the result of increased immigration. None. They see more immigration as more allies against The Man.

    Today's front page article by Morris V. deCamp is a must read and related to this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-american-race-war-of-1968/

    AGREED, Mike – I think they believe anything the white guys don’t like is something they ought to be for, even if they do understand the consequences for themselves. Unfortunately, as Arclight above stated, most of them just don’t do that hard thinking that would make them care enough, even if they don’t hate the white man’s world.

  9. If people are that gullible, they deserve everything they get. I am tired of giving s damn.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, but you're outta here anyway, aren't you? (NZ now?)
  10. @Achmed E. Newman
    Most of the country is innumerate or worse, completely clueless, is what I'm getting out of these graphs. The non-stop infotainment off the idiot plate and out of Hollywood is not helpful either. Some people gotta learn the hard way.

    “Some people gotta learn the hard way.”

    Well, I’ve learned and wish to avoid that hard way coming my way while waiting for those people to get a clue.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    That's the big problem. They take the rest of us down with them.
  11. The wording of the survey question implies that it’s measuring people’s beliefs about the rate of immigration, but I think what they’re actually measuring is people’s opinions about the number or the proportion of immigrants, which are probably seldom based on anything other than their observations of local demographics (and not necessarily accurate observations even then).

    This means that people who think the “rate” of immigration should be increased are probably just saying they want more immigrants, aka more non-whites. People who think the “rate” of immigration should be decreased probably don’t want to send anybody home, but are just expressing a wish that the proportion of immigrants (often, but not necessarily, meaning non-whites) in their society was lower.

    As far as white opinions go, I think the dramatic increase in the perceived prevalence of “anti-racism” in the social media age has probably had the effect of raising people’s inhibitions about speaking freely about immigration. So maybe the survey responses reflect an actual rise in white immigration insanity or maybe they just reflect greater concern about “not being racist.”

  12. Ya need to read more Charles Murray. Ever since the Democrats changed the “widows and orphans” laws in the 1960s to pay mothers of bastards (children whose mother was not married to their father), people of color realized that you could live comfortably without EVER working. And if you intended to NEVER work, well, there wasn’t any point in learning anything at school.

    So, the Urban Contemporary Lifestyle developed with 4 fundamental principles: 1) drop out of school without graduating, 2) produce children without the benefit of marriage (note that the fathers of the various bastards learned to expect a cut of the mothers’ welfare checks), 3) REFUSE jobs when they are offered, 4) supplement welfare income by committing crimes.

    Murray sadly noted in his “Coming Apart” that instead of there being any decrease in people of color living the lifestyle, what we see instead is that what should be incoming members of the White middle class are instead choosing the “not rich, but comfortable” Urban Contemporary deal.

    So the ONLY hope of changing the complete collapse of American society is to end welfare and subsidized housing. And of course THAT will never happen, unless the Communist Chinese take over.

  13. Wow … is there any way to show the correlation of these to various mental health metrics over the same period? Given changes to the DSM over time, you might have to control for non-stationarity.

  14. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks understand the eventual pitfalls of Trumpism. White populists will take away affirmative action in government hiring from their communities. AA in local government (i.e. teachers) is the foundation of the black middle class. Blacks will fight tooth and nail against a hit on their middle class and if necessary support the increase of Hispanic immigration to over the long term ensure that Trumpism can’t rise.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    AA in local government (i.e. teachers) is the foundation of the fake black middle class.
     
    FIFY.
  15. @Lockean Proviso
    "Some people gotta learn the hard way."

    Well, I've learned and wish to avoid that hard way coming my way while waiting for those people to get a clue.

    That’s the big problem. They take the rest of us down with them.

  16. @22pp22
    If people are that gullible, they deserve everything they get. I am tired of giving s damn.

    Yeah, but you’re outta here anyway, aren’t you? (NZ now?)

    • Replies: @22pp22
    Yes, I'm back in NZ, where we now have exactly the same problems and a twit of a PM called Jacinda Ardern. She is, seriously, worse than Justin Trudeau. She has changed the country for the worse.

    I now have a second home in relatively sane Queensland, but how long will that last? Victoria and ACT have already fallen to the forces of darkness.

    Queenslanders voted en masse to keep out a true PC psychopath, and there were even half-serious calls from more left-leaning states for them to be expelled from the Federation. Scomo is tolerable, but he will only slow the decline, not reverse it.

    I have Cyprus permanent residency, and the Cypriots initially said I would be able to keep it after Brexit. Merkel had other ideas. I am too European, it seems, and subscribe to the wrong religion.

    The only thing saving Cyprus is the fact that Turkey has so many problems of its own. The Kurd-Osmanli Turk divide will soon rip the country apart as the Kurds outbreed the Turks.
  17. @Arclight
    So what's the antidote?

    I remember having a conversation about immigration with a handful of my older black neighbors in DC about 10 years go. They wistfully noted that they did work that used to be done by black laborers, but the attitude just seemed to be "well, that's the way things are today" rather than any real resentment.

    I’m sure they’ll love being ethnically cleansed like Latino gangs are doing in Compton and Chicago

  18. Asians being pro immigrant isn’t surprising when they’re making up such a huge part of new arrivals and are average 18 years old

    • Replies: @216
    Clear data goes straight through the skull of Postnational Review editors that won't stop crowing about how they are "natural conservatives".
  19. American Indian ETHNIC(30) have also gotten more supportive of open borders although they are still somewhat more restrictionist than whites.

  20. Until the black population decides that carte blanche support for the democratic party binds them to a myriad of positions that damage them and for which the contended struggle to grasp all things citizenship, they will be forever mislead to their own self created hurdles that reinforce the practices they claim to oppose.

    Immigration is just one of those issues. It’s unfathonable to me that any black would support easing immigration in any way at any level. But such is the price when one is beholden to leadership as opposed to the content of issues.

    I do understand that they face a tough reality that if they don’t support such policies “the white leadership” will stop giving goodies. Always the dilemma for any black, political correctness for a job, and goodies or truth to the ire of the white power structure an endemic reality regardless of party. I would think they have advanced far enough to push for reality over pandering, but feeding one’s face and paying bills is as real as it gets.

    if history is any teller — if they support immigration it will be ultimately to the negative.
    ——————–

    On another note: the president now has no barriers preventing him from building the wall. He should put the corps of engineers to work post haste and stop whining about courts and democratic opposition.

  21. Any such survey is bound to be significantly influenced by the fact the vast majority of immigrants are non-white and therefore people who object to immigration have been called racists for decades.

  22. Another factor is that illegal immigration has declined in the past decade and people become more restrictionist as immigration levels rise.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/us-unauthorized-immigrant-population-2017/

    If illegal immigration continues to increase like at has this year it wouldn’t surprise me if restrictionism increases after Trump leaves office.

  23. @Oblivionrecurs
    Asians being pro immigrant isn't surprising when they're making up such a huge part of new arrivals and are average 18 years old

    Clear data goes straight through the skull of Postnational Review editors that won’t stop crowing about how they are “natural conservatives”.

  24. “Blacks understand the eventual pitfalls of Trumpism. White populists will take away affirmative action in government hiring from their communities.”

    Not as long as whites remain the primary recipients of said practice.
    ———————-

    I recently had an exchange with a college instructor. She sincerely believes that this president has plans to disenfranchise blacks and she was adamant about it. At first I thought she was just giving me hay when I stated that the president has no policies returning slaves to plantations. She immediately and with force said I was incorrect.

    This is an intelligent, kind women, that she actually believes that suggests I have no idea just how poisonous they they think the president is to their futures.

    I was taken aback, a bit.

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Most of Facebook is awashed with second holocaust is coming and Trump is committing genocide posts. Nothing is going to stop the tidal wave of immigrants due to this now
  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, but you're outta here anyway, aren't you? (NZ now?)

    Yes, I’m back in NZ, where we now have exactly the same problems and a twit of a PM called Jacinda Ardern. She is, seriously, worse than Justin Trudeau. She has changed the country for the worse.

    I now have a second home in relatively sane Queensland, but how long will that last? Victoria and ACT have already fallen to the forces of darkness.

    Queenslanders voted en masse to keep out a true PC psychopath, and there were even half-serious calls from more left-leaning states for them to be expelled from the Federation. Scomo is tolerable, but he will only slow the decline, not reverse it.

    I have Cyprus permanent residency, and the Cypriots initially said I would be able to keep it after Brexit. Merkel had other ideas. I am too European, it seems, and subscribe to the wrong religion.

    The only thing saving Cyprus is the fact that Turkey has so many problems of its own. The Kurd-Osmanli Turk divide will soon rip the country apart as the Kurds outbreed the Turks.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks for the update, 22pp22. There's no good place to run to, or it'd have been a no-brainer for me by now.
  26. With the climate change we have a clear opening to push for net zero immigration. Its time to take it

  27. @Audacious Epigone: What about the data for Whites and Jews?

  28. • Replies: @216
    https://twitter.com/NightErrantry/status/1158773138412339200

    It's interesting to see that Vermeule is doing in real life what he described with Cass Sunstein.

    Quite ironic when Cass Sunstein was a staple of Alex Jones in the early Obama years.
  29. @216
    https://twitter.com/ScottMGreer/status/1158712158403944448

    https://twitter.com/NightErrantry/status/1158773138412339200

    It’s interesting to see that Vermeule is doing in real life what he described with Cass Sunstein.

    Quite ironic when Cass Sunstein was a staple of Alex Jones in the early Obama years.

  30. Also, as a side question, might blacks’ support for open borders be a clever Machiavellian strategy to protect themselves from the threat of a future white racist resurgence by reducing the white population in the US through open borders?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Machiavellian? Black politicians and race hustlers like Sharpton might be Machiavellian, but the average black voter is no clever Machiavellian. He just supports whatever conservative white people are against because the conservative white people "never gave me nothin'".
  31. I think the explanation is relatively simple. The older generations are those who remember the USA as it used to be, when it was largely white. Unless you are 50+, y0u simply don’t remember the 70s or early 80s.

    A lot of the younger generations have grown up in multicultural environments. A lot of recent immigrants also had no idea what the country was like in the past.

    I see this with Russian coworkers, who have no f##$*% clue what the country was like 20 years ago because they just came over on H1Bs. To them, it all looks grand, but to my eyes it is a clear decay from 30 years ago.

    Over time the older people die off.

    • Replies: @Feryl

    I think the explanation is relatively simple. The older generations are those who remember the USA as it used to be, when it was largely white. Unless you are 50+, y0u simply don’t remember the 70s or early 80s.
     
    There's a decent number of "house-broken" older white conservatives who still envision that the US can got back to what it was during Reagan's 1st term, if only we promote the right "values" and stop the gosh darn Leftists. But, like you point out, younger people have little to no memory of a time when America had camaraderie or cultural homogeneity. There are also partisan cucks who consistently blame the Democrats for the invasion, even though many Southern and Western Republicans* were quite vocal about their enthusiasm for the "growth" that immigrants gave us in the 70's-90's.

    *Sun belt elites despised blacks for becoming huge Democrats during the New Deal era; they also despised whites for voting Dem and forming unions, however Sun-belters knew they could win over whites on cultural issues and crime concerns. Blacks, on the other hand, were a nuisance who needed to be replaced. Alas, what's happened in practice is that whites through most states are declining/aging in population, blacks are diminishing in the Western US (but not really in the South, Midwest, and NE), and all other groups have exploded in population over the last 30 years due to loose immigration policy.
  32. @22pp22
    Yes, I'm back in NZ, where we now have exactly the same problems and a twit of a PM called Jacinda Ardern. She is, seriously, worse than Justin Trudeau. She has changed the country for the worse.

    I now have a second home in relatively sane Queensland, but how long will that last? Victoria and ACT have already fallen to the forces of darkness.

    Queenslanders voted en masse to keep out a true PC psychopath, and there were even half-serious calls from more left-leaning states for them to be expelled from the Federation. Scomo is tolerable, but he will only slow the decline, not reverse it.

    I have Cyprus permanent residency, and the Cypriots initially said I would be able to keep it after Brexit. Merkel had other ideas. I am too European, it seems, and subscribe to the wrong religion.

    The only thing saving Cyprus is the fact that Turkey has so many problems of its own. The Kurd-Osmanli Turk divide will soon rip the country apart as the Kurds outbreed the Turks.

    Thanks for the update, 22pp22. There’s no good place to run to, or it’d have been a no-brainer for me by now.

  33. @Mr. XYZ
    Also, as a side question, might blacks' support for open borders be a clever Machiavellian strategy to protect themselves from the threat of a future white racist resurgence by reducing the white population in the US through open borders?

    Machiavellian? Black politicians and race hustlers like Sharpton might be Machiavellian, but the average black voter is no clever Machiavellian. He just supports whatever conservative white people are against because the conservative white people “never gave me nothin’”.

  34. @anonymous
    Blacks understand the eventual pitfalls of Trumpism. White populists will take away affirmative action in government hiring from their communities. AA in local government (i.e. teachers) is the foundation of the black middle class. Blacks will fight tooth and nail against a hit on their middle class and if necessary support the increase of Hispanic immigration to over the long term ensure that Trumpism can't rise.

    AA in local government (i.e. teachers) is the foundation of the fake black middle class.

    FIFY.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Is that at relevant when looking at it from the black point of view, of why they fight against Trumpism?
  35. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "After all, low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks and they drive down wages for the blacks who do get jobs, etc etc."

    Blacks as a group have absolutely no idea that this is the result of increased immigration. None. They see more immigration as more allies against The Man.

    Today's front page article by Morris V. deCamp is a must read and related to this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-american-race-war-of-1968/

    “low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks”

    Which jobs are these? Most of those low-to-no-skill jobs are either off shored, no longer exist, or were never commonly filled by blacks (except in the south, perhaps).

    • Replies: @Oblivionrecurs
    Like, it's literally impossible to do construction work in South Florida now if you don't speak Spanish. But if some black construction worker in Miami in the 80's moves to North Carolina because he can't find work, hard to both quantify the harm and detect in the data.
  36. @Oleaginous Outrager
    "low-skilled immigrants take jobs that could otherwise go to blacks"

    Which jobs are these? Most of those low-to-no-skill jobs are either off shored, no longer exist, or were never commonly filled by blacks (except in the south, perhaps).

    Like, it’s literally impossible to do construction work in South Florida now if you don’t speak Spanish. But if some black construction worker in Miami in the 80’s moves to North Carolina because he can’t find work, hard to both quantify the harm and detect in the data.

  37. @EliteCommInc.
    "Blacks understand the eventual pitfalls of Trumpism. White populists will take away affirmative action in government hiring from their communities."

    Not as long as whites remain the primary recipients of said practice.
    ----------------------


    I recently had an exchange with a college instructor. She sincerely believes that this president has plans to disenfranchise blacks and she was adamant about it. At first I thought she was just giving me hay when I stated that the president has no policies returning slaves to plantations. She immediately and with force said I was incorrect.


    This is an intelligent, kind women, that she actually believes that suggests I have no idea just how poisonous they they think the president is to their futures.

    I was taken aback, a bit.

    Most of Facebook is awashed with second holocaust is coming and Trump is committing genocide posts. Nothing is going to stop the tidal wave of immigrants due to this now

    • Replies: @Feryl
    If holocaust 2.0 fear has worked for 70 years, why stop using that tactic?
  38. anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Rational

    AA in local government (i.e. teachers) is the foundation of the fake black middle class.
     
    FIFY.

    Is that at relevant when looking at it from the black point of view, of why they fight against Trumpism?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Is that at [all] relevant when looking at it from the black point of view
     
    The black POV is that they were all kangz and Wakanda is what they would be living in if YT didn't show up to their shores.

    Blacks are almost all delusional morons and their POV has no relevance to reality.  In truth, those of them with middle-class incomes are getting them at the cost of a whole lot of Whites taxed and job-excluded into misery.  If the Saxon has begun to hate at the intensity that they deserve when the fecal matter strikes the rotating impeller, the rendering plants will be operating at 100% capacity for some time (3 shifts a day, staffing 6 shifts total at 8 hr/day, 4 days on and 4 off) and the overflow will be handled with tree chippers.  As David the Good writes, "Compost Everything"... and there will be plenty of raw material.

    There will be plenty of real-fake history produced.  Hundreds of thousands will disembark at Monrovia and elsewhere, and cranes will stack prefab container nests for them to occupy.  Cameras will document the slaughter they commit upon each other afterwards, and the locals wiping out the remnants to grab the spoils.  That will explain where they all went.  We won't need any more.  We will not accept false guilt any longer.
  39. Everything goes back to 2008.

    It’s interesting that there was a slight spike in 2012-2014 for restrictionism, even among minorities. Seems Trump rode that wave, although I assume it’s crested and fallen, due to his own bluster that on one hand does not get things done, on the other causes Marxies and Natsies and other extremists to panic and shoot up the place.

    And, I’m sorry white ethnonationalists in the US, but your dream is as dead as Marx’s or Rand’s. Only white-led militaristic fascism may have enough strength to turn back the tide. If explicitly Christian-and-Classical-culture-only, better. Even then, you may have to keep enough non-whites to avoid losing in some areas (for example, the pretty and oily Gulf of Mexico), and at best rein and blend them in a hierarchical society, as outer hajnals and South American whites have had to learn.

    That said, unlike the Wasp believers in Masonic democracy, we outer hajnals do realize natural hierarchy is inevitable, monoracial (best, though it can only be approached) or not. About the latter multiracial arrangement, well we do make it work, until nature takes its course to separate wheat from chaff. (Many Whispanics have fled the continent the last few decades, others have blended in and bastardized, the latter which has made some mestizos and mulattos a bit better as a middle class; but not enough to warrant the dissolution of the old colonial-Catholic hierarchy, a process that has slowly brownified the South American and even the Southern/Continental European elite in the name of Wasp-liberalism and then its currently ruling daughters: Thirdworldism and globalist-socialism, respectively).

    Otherwise, the purest of you might do better separated, North-Sea-people values being too frail to be shared; and your genetics probably never needed to touch the Sun Belt anyway. But if you cannot even agree on using the old Dixie banner (most visible proxy for whiteness y’all have) or any one banner, then what is the hope that you can agree on a white ethnostate?

    At any rate, you still have a Union… if you can keep it. You can still do so, and nonviolently too, even if the current American race(s) and tribes has/have to be kept at enough of a distance from now on… definitely more so from now on…

  40. “Most of Facebook is awashed with second holocaust is coming and Trump is committing genocide posts. Nothing is going to stop the tidal wave of immigrants due to this now”

    I think if people keep calm heads. See this for what it is — a rare incident. Not part of an escalating phenomenon, despite the media clamorings —

    The security of the US is not in any way less an issue.

  41. The drop in restrictionism doesn’t begin in earnest until after Obama’s election (the 2008 figures pre-date the beginning of his actual presidency), so maybe si, se puede is the bulk of the explanation.

    It’s not attitudes about immigration, per se, that changed. It’s that the whole anti–white Great Awokening that got going at around 2012-2014. Once Obama was safely reelected he dropped his phony moderate pose and did things like DACA (which he previously claimed was unconstitutional). Then the whole fake “hands up don’t shoot” BLM business got rolling in 2014. And there’s been no looking back since then.

    So immigrants got turned into the hot new oppressed grievance group, and wanting more of them became the only way for good progressive whites to virtue signal about how incredibly non-racists and multicultural they are.

    Once it became a racial thing, blacks just started to line up on the anti-white side, where they assumed they naturally belonged.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    So immigrants got turned into the hot new oppressed grievance group, and wanting more of them became the only way for good progressive whites to virtue signal about how incredibly non-racists and multicultural they are.
     
    And the corporate sector saw a wonderful opportunity to guarantee the supply of cheap labour.

    The Great Awokening was largely a corporate phenomenon. They were the ones providing the money to keep the momentum of the Great Awokening rolling. And they were the ones pulling the strings to keep the media frenzy going.
  42. @Hypnotoad666

    The drop in restrictionism doesn’t begin in earnest until after Obama’s election (the 2008 figures pre-date the beginning of his actual presidency), so maybe si, se puede is the bulk of the explanation.
     
    It's not attitudes about immigration, per se, that changed. It's that the whole anti--white Great Awokening that got going at around 2012-2014. Once Obama was safely reelected he dropped his phony moderate pose and did things like DACA (which he previously claimed was unconstitutional). Then the whole fake "hands up don't shoot" BLM business got rolling in 2014. And there's been no looking back since then.

    So immigrants got turned into the hot new oppressed grievance group, and wanting more of them became the only way for good progressive whites to virtue signal about how incredibly non-racists and multicultural they are.

    Once it became a racial thing, blacks just started to line up on the anti-white side, where they assumed they naturally belonged.

    So immigrants got turned into the hot new oppressed grievance group, and wanting more of them became the only way for good progressive whites to virtue signal about how incredibly non-racists and multicultural they are.

    And the corporate sector saw a wonderful opportunity to guarantee the supply of cheap labour.

    The Great Awokening was largely a corporate phenomenon. They were the ones providing the money to keep the momentum of the Great Awokening rolling. And they were the ones pulling the strings to keep the media frenzy going.

  43. @anonymous
    Is that at relevant when looking at it from the black point of view, of why they fight against Trumpism?

    Is that at [all] relevant when looking at it from the black point of view

    The black POV is that they were all kangz and Wakanda is what they would be living in if YT didn’t show up to their shores.

    Blacks are almost all delusional morons and their POV has no relevance to reality.  In truth, those of them with middle-class incomes are getting them at the cost of a whole lot of Whites taxed and job-excluded into misery.  If the Saxon has begun to hate at the intensity that they deserve when the fecal matter strikes the rotating impeller, the rendering plants will be operating at 100% capacity for some time (3 shifts a day, staffing 6 shifts total at 8 hr/day, 4 days on and 4 off) and the overflow will be handled with tree chippers.  As David the Good writes, “Compost Everything”… and there will be plenty of raw material.

    There will be plenty of real-fake history produced.  Hundreds of thousands will disembark at Monrovia and elsewhere, and cranes will stack prefab container nests for them to occupy.  Cameras will document the slaughter they commit upon each other afterwards, and the locals wiping out the remnants to grab the spoils.  That will explain where they all went.  We won’t need any more.  We will not accept false guilt any longer.

  44. @Oblivionrecurs
    Most of Facebook is awashed with second holocaust is coming and Trump is committing genocide posts. Nothing is going to stop the tidal wave of immigrants due to this now

    If holocaust 2.0 fear has worked for 70 years, why stop using that tactic?

  45. @jbwilson24
    I think the explanation is relatively simple. The older generations are those who remember the USA as it used to be, when it was largely white. Unless you are 50+, y0u simply don't remember the 70s or early 80s.

    A lot of the younger generations have grown up in multicultural environments. A lot of recent immigrants also had no idea what the country was like in the past.

    I see this with Russian coworkers, who have no f##$*% clue what the country was like 20 years ago because they just came over on H1Bs. To them, it all looks grand, but to my eyes it is a clear decay from 30 years ago.

    Over time the older people die off.

    I think the explanation is relatively simple. The older generations are those who remember the USA as it used to be, when it was largely white. Unless you are 50+, y0u simply don’t remember the 70s or early 80s.

    There’s a decent number of “house-broken” older white conservatives who still envision that the US can got back to what it was during Reagan’s 1st term, if only we promote the right “values” and stop the gosh darn Leftists. But, like you point out, younger people have little to no memory of a time when America had camaraderie or cultural homogeneity. There are also partisan cucks who consistently blame the Democrats for the invasion, even though many Southern and Western Republicans* were quite vocal about their enthusiasm for the “growth” that immigrants gave us in the 70’s-90’s.

    *Sun belt elites despised blacks for becoming huge Democrats during the New Deal era; they also despised whites for voting Dem and forming unions, however Sun-belters knew they could win over whites on cultural issues and crime concerns. Blacks, on the other hand, were a nuisance who needed to be replaced. Alas, what’s happened in practice is that whites through most states are declining/aging in population, blacks are diminishing in the Western US (but not really in the South, Midwest, and NE), and all other groups have exploded in population over the last 30 years due to loose immigration policy.

  46. @Bragadocious
    My hunch is Blacks want more Mexicans here because it means more day laborers to rob on Friday afternoons and no police involvement. While that's somewhat tongue in cheek, Blacks do view immigrants as easy marks. There was a rap song by YG about how Chinese people don't believe in banks and therefore have lots of paper in their homes. You know what to do, fair listeners...

    On the other hand, American blacks have been quite unwelcoming to Somalis, probably because they see them as darker broke-ass versions of themselves, and therefore competition.

    Somalis are kill or be killed tribalists, who are more than willing to take on soft and lazy American blacks who are accustomed to “normal” American society kowtowing to them. And like you note, Somalis represent a variant of blacks, which other blacks find a little unnerving (blacks expect whites, Mexicans, etc. to be distinct cultures which typical blacks don’t really resent that much, on the other hand shouldn’t all brothas act like uh, brothas in America?)

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