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PSA from Patriarch Kirill II on the Ukrainian question in Moscow. Just your normal billboard ad. 🙂

INSOMNIAC RESURRECTED

Longtime Russia watchers may recall the Austere Insomniac blog, which used to offer excellent analysis on the Ukraine and was first to introduce the term “svidomy” into the English language.

Unfortunately, it later closed down, but the person behind it has recently reopened it at INSOMNIAC RESURRECTED.

Here are some of its inaugural articles:

While it’s obviously biased against Maidanism, the person who runs knows the Ukraine well, and the vast bulk of it is just translations from and commentary on Ukrainian news. Feel free to follow it if you’re interested.

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As you also probably know, you can also contribute to individual authors here who have made that option available. My details are here: http://akarlin.com/donations/

My comments in the announcement thread were only 90% tongue in cheek. Large meetups and conferences, while excellent, are also very expensive and organizationally complicated. Livestreams and podcasts are much easier to arrange, and I suspect that quite a few people might be interested to hear people like Sailer, Giraldi, Shamir, or even myself discussing various topics. This format has exploded in the Russian nationalist sphere in the past year and it has been rather successful.

OTHER

NRx and Chinese history blogger spandrell, the inventor of Bioleninism, is going on an expedition to Xinjiang. You can fund his adventure here in return for exclusive access.

Palladium seems to be an interesting new journal.

***

Featured

* So about The CaravanBest take?: I have a prediction. When the caravan gets to the US border, they will put the women & children on the front lines. There will be pictures of desperate women/babies in front of stonefaced, armed troops. TIME will put one on the cover and the headline will be “Trump’s America.”

* Brazil elections: Bolsonaro leading by 20% points, PredictIt gives him 95%+ of winning.

* NYT: Twitter bans thousands of satire accounts for “electoral interference” in response to NPC meme portraying leftists as humorless bugmen

* Steve Sailer: Rising polarization as 84% of Dems think immigrants strengthen the country, up from 32% in 1994

* Gregory Hood: The UN’s Plan to End Civilization

* spandrell: The Wars of the Sexes

* Steve Sailer: “Why White Supremacists Are Chugging Milk (and Why Geneticists Are Alarmed)”

* Quillette: The promise of a golden age is over: Chronicling the death of Internet freedom

* Max Blumenthal: Facebook Censorship of Alternative Media “Just the Beginning,” Says Top Neocon Insider

* Quillette: Renowned psychologist Linda Gottfredson disinvited from Swedish labor economics conference over her research on intelligence

* Ron Unz: American Pravda: The ADL in American Society

* NBF: Tesla seems to be doing pretty well now. Did we write off PP too early? Has also just bought land for a new gigafactory near Shanghai.

* It’s official: US becomes world’s largest oil producer. It has also exceeded its previous production peak in 1970.

oil-production-usa

* SCMP: China to reveal new H-20 stealth bomber next year with twice the payload of the American B-2. It apparently has twice the payload of the B-2.

* Voice of Europe: Blast from the past! Local news article uncovered detailing case of immigrants grooming Rotherham girl in 1975

***

Russia

* Nicolai Petro: In Ukraine, Is Constantinople Rushing in “Where Angels Fear to Tread”?

But [the Kiev Patriarchate’s] fate is now inextricably intertwined with that of the current government. What happens when the government changes?

* RT: Senior Russian Orthodox cleric says Constantinople’s recognition of schismatic Ukrainian church has invalidated its preeminent position in global Orthodoxy

* Vzglyad: 403/413 monks in Odessa monastery voted to remain with UOC-MP [in Russian]. Looks like Filaret will have a hard slog, at least without help from Ukrainian nationalists.

* Vesti: VIDEO: Putin: “If we are nuked, retaliation is inevitable, and we will go to heaven as martyrs while they’ll just drop dead.”

* Russia to build nuke plant in Uzbekistan

* RT: People behind Latvia-based opposition media outlet Meduza are financed by organizations that have been financed by Soros and Khodorkovsky [in Russian].

* Full video of the presentation of Zhuchkovsky’s book 85 Days in Slavyansk.

* Measles outbreak rages through the Ukraine with 33,000 infected this year

* Vesti News: Video: Moscow infrastructure boom as 20km subways lines, 15 new stations built just this year

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World

* Kenneth Rapoza: Counterintuitive: World’s largest asset manager BlackRock’s geopolitical risks indicator is at near record lows

* NYT: USA to tell Russia it’s leaving INF Treaty banning intermediate range missiles to counter Chinese arms buildup in Pacific. (So, what I said).

* Sushant Singh: Washington DC offers to drop India sanctions over purchase of Russian S-400 if it also buys American F-16s

* Military Watch: Indonesia to reject US pressure and go ahead with Russian S-35 purchases

* Pepe Escobar: US sanctions on Russia & China ultimately aimed to contain China technologically

* Haaretz: “Jewish donors are topping the fundraising efforts in the United States 2018 midterm elections”

* Craig Murray: Turkish account of Khashoggi murder is “true in every detail”

* RT: Ex-Israel PM Olmert claims corruption conviction that put him in jail was an operation “largely financed by rich Jews from America”

* Tyler Cowen on how political correctness hurts the Left more than the Right

* Kevin Carrico: I Mastered Xi Jinping Thought, and I Have the Certificate to Prove It. Reminds one of those Scientific Communism and History of the KPSS classes in the USSR. Not to China’s credit that it continues this tradition.

* Breitbart: French also fleeing to Hungary from migrants (like Germans).

* Buzzfeed: A Middle East Monarchy Hired American Ex-Soldiers To Kill Its Political Enemies. This Could Be The Future Of War.

* WSWS: The US military’s vision for state censorship

* ZeroHedge: Facebook and Twitter purge of alt media websites based on PropOrNot list pushed by WaPo

* RT (Darius Shahtahmasebi): Facebook working with NATO-funded Atlantic Council to scrub website of alt media content

* Matt Agorist: NATO funded think tank controls Facebook censorship arm so can it really be called “private”?

* Steve Sailer: Elizabeth Warren singlehandedly disproves “race is just a social construct” media trope (humor)

* Emil Kirkegaard on the always temporary but neverending nature of affirmative action.

* NYT: White American liberals well to the left of Blacks on racial issues

* Politico: Trump Derangement Syndrome: Orange man making liberals crazy

* National Interest: Italy’s populist coalition continues to defy EU on immigration and Russia sanctions

* Romania Insider: More Romanians than Syrians emigrated to Germany in 2017

* Guardian: China plans to launch artificial moon to light city streets at night

* Ash Milton (Palladium): China may outcompete Western liberal order with Belt and Road global economic expansion project

* NextBigFuture: China to account for 59% of e-commerce sales by 2021

* New China TV (video): China opens Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge, world’s longest sea crossing at 55km (3x as long as the Crimean bridge)

* RT: Uncompensated private land expropriations to begin in Ekurhuleni, South Africa

***

Science & Culture

* Steve Sailer: NYT posts bunch of /pol/ hategraphs making the case for race realism

* NextBigFuture: What will be the big changes from 2018 to 2028?

* Birth canals are different all over the world, countering a long-held evolutionary theory

* NBF: Geoengineering will be weaponized.

* Why did the recent Soyuz launch fail? Classic O-Ring failure: “The mount did not immediately enter the groove – we drove it in by force.”

* Mashable: Elon Musk’s “hyperloop” high-speed underground mass transit system to launch in LA on Dec 10

* Quillette: Is factory farming one of history’s greatest crimes?

* 4chan mathematicians crack a math problem, but nobody knows how to cite them

4chan-mathmo

* whyvert on history of Soviet psychometrics:

***

Humor, Trash

* Powerful Take: I am so proud to run one of the world’s premier venues for the exchange of high-end racial abuse from all corners of the globe. #UnitedInDiversity

take-pakis

* More on the Richard Spencer saga: His new gf –

* Daily Stormer: Powerful takes of Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil’s next Prez

* Daily Stormer: NPC scripts

* Navalny’s daughter:

navalny-daughter

* Breitbart: North American college students literally “smashing scales” to promote fat acceptance

* Steve Sailer: Ancient Greek statues weren’t white, they were… pink! Take that, racists!

* Voice of Europe: 16 year old Italian girl founded dead in Rome after being drugged and raped by “Africans and Arabs”

* Voice of Europe: France’s recently resigned Interior Minister said he feared appearance of Salafist mayors in next elections

* We wuz Nutcrackaz! It is directed by a Swede, and the producer is a Jew.

negro-nutcracker

* Greek City Times: Huge Christian cross on Greek coast built to commemorate drowned refugees torn down so as not to offend (presumably surviving) non-Christian refugees

* Gloriously autistic 2 hour (sic!) review of the FALLOUT series by ROGPR podcast host Kirill Nesterov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDsouuMYQB4

* Tennessee man who tried to kill son with chainsaw run over by lawn mower

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  1. Instagram of Navalny’s daughter is not different to instagram of any emergin children of the Kremlin elite (including photos standing next to famous African American celebrities at photobooth of glamorous events).

    The only sad thing for her, that the father has fucked up his career, and is not part of the Kremlin elite, does not have any apartments in London – and only is some kind of powerless symbolic cult leader.

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    the father has fucked up his career,

     

    Lol well now she just needs to monetize her YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVD7jLzE3Yw

  2. While it’s obviously biased against Maidanism, the person who runs knows the Ukraine well

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It’s like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.

    * RT: Senior Russian Orthodox cleric says Constantinople’s recognition of schismatic Ukrainian church has invalidated its preeminent position in global Orthodoxy

    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/

    * Vzglyad: 403/413 monks in Odessa monastery voted to remain with UOC-MP [in Russian]. Looks like Filaret will have a hard slog, at least without help from Ukrainian nationalists.

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers. It’s the more pro-Russian group leftover group. plus those who are sticklers to recognition. Many of the pro-Ukrainian ones have already left or been purged. I’d expect perhaps 1/3 to defect, the pro-Ukrainian ones who were reluctant due to lack of recognition but who now have a way out. It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/
     
    I believe, he is controlled by Greece?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    This suggests that Jerusalem is not going to cooperate with Moscow if it were to attempt to isolate Constantinople, as some clerical hardliners advocate, but it says nothing to substantiate its assertion that this is "in response to Moscow decision". We do however have direct Russian claims that all three of the rest of the Ancient Sees supported canonical Orthodoxy in the Ukraine (i.e. UOC-MP).

    This is a disappointment, but not an entirely surprising one, considering that Jerusalem is staffed with Greeks, and Jerusalem is traditionally allied with Constantinople. Incidentally, this part of Israel Shamir's article now becomes relevant:

    The Russians could influence the outcome, but they are quite unwilling to interfere in the affairs of the sister church. In private conversations, they express their sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but they do not want to endanger their relations with the Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Constantinople. These can painfully retaliate by accepting the demands of the Ukrainian bishops for recognition, and in general cause more trouble than it is worth, for the Russians.
     
    ***

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    Former Yanukovych media = anything more moderate than Censor.net? Are any of the things reported/translated in those sample posts actually false?

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.
     
    23% to 35% as of 2016, though yes, it will probably not go down to 15%, while UOC-KP may rise to 50%. But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property. This suggests they will not go smoothly.
    , @Mikhail
    Bullshit:

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    Actually, he takes issue with some Russian establishment views. He also referenced a poll on Ukrainian views on Russia which contradicts this wishful svido thinking:

    It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.
     
    , @Swedish Family

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It’s like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.
     
    It's your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that's your credibility on the line.

    Let's have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to:

    Kyiv Post risks being shut down over a Language Law
    Ukraine will buy 72% of her Coal from Russia
    Russia Ended Reselling Of Oil To Ukraine By Belarus
    Almost 50% of Ukrainians Think Banning of Russian TV Channels was a Mistake
    Hroysman: Russians Want to Create Ukraine Fatigue in the World
     
    Are any of these false? And if not, what does that say about his credibility -- and yours?
    , @Anon

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate. I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don't quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited. If you can't do that, your criticism of me suck big hairy balls, and you are not worth talking to.

    YOURS TRULLY, INSOMNIAC RESURRECTED
  3. Gregory Hood: The UN’s Plan to End Civilization

    This UN global compact for migration is, rather belatedly, becoming an important issue among right-wingers in some European countries. So far only Hungary seems to be determined to reject it, though there has also been some criticism from the Austrian and Polish governments. There also seems to be some discussion in Switzerland and Denmark.
    In Germany AfD tried to file a petition against in in the Bundestag (I was already looking forward to signing it), but the administration of the petition process has rejected it, because such a petition could harm “intercultural dialogue” (!). Remains to be seen if they will succeed with that, but it’s really clear that the establishment wants to prevent any public discussion of this migration agreement and just push through with it, to create yet more irreversible facts.

  4. Tesla short thesis is unchanged. Tesla went to extreme lengths to make their Q3 numbers. For instance they sold their entire loaner fleet. What a capital idea!

    I do respect Polish Perspective however, and unlike the total fool Bliss I have no doubt he put his money where his mouth is.

    On a different note my five year old Samsung Galaxy Note 3 failed. I ordered a Blackberry Key One to replace it. Greatly enjoying asserting my superiority over touch keyboard peasants through physical keyboard dominance.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Tesla products are supposed to be very well designed, and receive positive reviews (even if manufacturing and servicing is incompetent).

    What is the commonalness of companies, who designing excellent products, has very positive brand image - then failing from some incompetence of manufacturing, or poor financing?

    For example, even if their finances collapsed, someone else will still buy the company and maintain its products?
    , @Anon
    Key one has lag key two is better.
  5. @Dmitry
    Instagram of Navalny's daughter is not different to instagram of any emergin children of the Kremlin elite (including photos standing next to famous African American celebrities at photobooth of glamorous events).

    The only sad thing for her, that the father has fucked up his career, and is not part of the Kremlin elite, does not have any apartments in London - and only is some kind of powerless symbolic cult leader.

    the father has fucked up his career,

    Lol well now she just needs to monetize her YouTube

  6. @AP

    While it’s obviously biased against Maidanism, the person who runs knows the Ukraine well
     
    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It's like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.

    * RT: Senior Russian Orthodox cleric says Constantinople’s recognition of schismatic Ukrainian church has invalidated its preeminent position in global Orthodoxy
     
    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/

    * Vzglyad: 403/413 monks in Odessa monastery voted to remain with UOC-MP [in Russian]. Looks like Filaret will have a hard slog, at least without help from Ukrainian nationalists.
     
    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine's Orthodox believers. It's the more pro-Russian group leftover group. plus those who are sticklers to recognition. Many of the pro-Ukrainian ones have already left or been purged. I'd expect perhaps 1/3 to defect, the pro-Ukrainian ones who were reluctant due to lack of recognition but who now have a way out. It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.

    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/

    I believe, he is controlled by Greece?

  7. @AP

    While it’s obviously biased against Maidanism, the person who runs knows the Ukraine well
     
    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It's like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.

    * RT: Senior Russian Orthodox cleric says Constantinople’s recognition of schismatic Ukrainian church has invalidated its preeminent position in global Orthodoxy
     
    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/

    * Vzglyad: 403/413 monks in Odessa monastery voted to remain with UOC-MP [in Russian]. Looks like Filaret will have a hard slog, at least without help from Ukrainian nationalists.
     
    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine's Orthodox believers. It's the more pro-Russian group leftover group. plus those who are sticklers to recognition. Many of the pro-Ukrainian ones have already left or been purged. I'd expect perhaps 1/3 to defect, the pro-Ukrainian ones who were reluctant due to lack of recognition but who now have a way out. It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.

    This suggests that Jerusalem is not going to cooperate with Moscow if it were to attempt to isolate Constantinople, as some clerical hardliners advocate, but it says nothing to substantiate its assertion that this is “in response to Moscow decision”. We do however have direct Russian claims that all three of the rest of the Ancient Sees supported canonical Orthodoxy in the Ukraine (i.e. UOC-MP).

    This is a disappointment, but not an entirely surprising one, considering that Jerusalem is staffed with Greeks, and Jerusalem is traditionally allied with Constantinople. Incidentally, this part of Israel Shamir’s article now becomes relevant:

    The Russians could influence the outcome, but they are quite unwilling to interfere in the affairs of the sister church. In private conversations, they express their sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but they do not want to endanger their relations with the Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Constantinople. These can painfully retaliate by accepting the demands of the Ukrainian bishops for recognition, and in general cause more trouble than it is worth, for the Russians.

    ***

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    Former Yanukovych media = anything more moderate than Censor.net? Are any of the things reported/translated in those sample posts actually false?

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.

    23% to 35% as of 2016, though yes, it will probably not go down to 15%, while UOC-KP may rise to 50%. But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property. This suggests they will not go smoothly.

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    . Incidentally, this part of Israel Shamir’s article now becomes relevant:

    The Russians could influence the outcome, but they are quite unwilling to interfere in the affairs of the sister church. In private conversations, they express their sympathy for the Palestinian cause,
     

     
    Not sure how reliable Israel Shamir's comments are.

    Russian Orthodox Church is usually sounding quite pro-Israel in its statements, which is understandable as a result of their small demographics in the region. Apart from some few hundreds of wives who married Palestinian students in CIS countries and immigrated to Israel/Palestine due to marriage to Arab students, their members in Israel (maybe it is some tens of thousands), are Israelis (usually voting Likud or Yisrael Beiteinu) whose children have to be conscripted into the army.

    Obviously this is very outnumbered, by Arab Christians in the region, who belong to Greek Orthodox and Greek Catholic churches.

    , @AP

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.

    23% to 35% as of 2016
     
    The link was to a Razumkov poll showing 23% in 2016. 35% were simply "Orthodox" (didn't know or care about differences).

    In 2018 Razumkov showed Moscow adherents down to 17% of Orthodox:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/community/social_questioning/72673/

    It will probably shrink to around 10%-12% now that there is a canonical way out for the patriots who were still in that Church.

    Ironically, there might be a silver lining for Russian interests, the smaller this Church becomes in terms of adherents, the more pro-Russian it will be.

    But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property.
     
    Church buildings built by the UOC-MP would probably not be touched if the parishioners want to stay with Moscow.

    The famous monasteries are still owned by the State, they were never given to the Church, only leased to it (for some nominal amount). It would be odd for these places to remain in the hands of an increasingly marginal group with few followers, representing a foreign state. Best case for the Russians would be if they were allowed to stay for another 30 years or so until the lease expires, and then were evicted. Much of the Kiev Lavra was built by Mazepa (whose excommunication by the Russian Church was described as invalid by Constantinople). Would be odd for that place in the heart of nationalist Kiev to remain as de facto Russian state property.
    , @for-the-record
  8. @Thorfinnsson
    Tesla short thesis is unchanged. Tesla went to extreme lengths to make their Q3 numbers. For instance they sold their entire loaner fleet. What a capital idea!

    I do respect Polish Perspective however, and unlike the total fool Bliss I have no doubt he put his money where his mouth is.

    On a different note my five year old Samsung Galaxy Note 3 failed. I ordered a Blackberry Key One to replace it. Greatly enjoying asserting my superiority over touch keyboard peasants through physical keyboard dominance.

    Tesla products are supposed to be very well designed, and receive positive reviews (even if manufacturing and servicing is incompetent).

    What is the commonalness of companies, who designing excellent products, has very positive brand image – then failing from some incompetence of manufacturing, or poor financing?

    For example, even if their finances collapsed, someone else will still buy the company and maintain its products?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    You are onto the same track I am.

    I believe Tesla will ultimately be acquired by a major global automobile OEM. GM, Ford, or Volkswagen.
  9. Disney has been damaging its brand for a while now.

    I don’t really get it. Walt used to put his signature on the screen because he was very brand-conscious, so did Jim Henson. Disney bought the Muppets and made some disturbingly perverse sitcom, where they were using fag terms.

    I think some Chinese investor could really eat their lunch, if they created a company and positioned it as the anti-Disney.

    • Replies: @notanon
    Walt Disney was Hitler 2.0 so they won't be able to stop themselves pozzing his name - a Russian or Chinese company that did Slav or Chinese versions of all the old Disney style movies would clean up with parents imo.
    , @gate666
    actually they are extremely successful recently.
  10. @Anatoly Karlin
    This suggests that Jerusalem is not going to cooperate with Moscow if it were to attempt to isolate Constantinople, as some clerical hardliners advocate, but it says nothing to substantiate its assertion that this is "in response to Moscow decision". We do however have direct Russian claims that all three of the rest of the Ancient Sees supported canonical Orthodoxy in the Ukraine (i.e. UOC-MP).

    This is a disappointment, but not an entirely surprising one, considering that Jerusalem is staffed with Greeks, and Jerusalem is traditionally allied with Constantinople. Incidentally, this part of Israel Shamir's article now becomes relevant:

    The Russians could influence the outcome, but they are quite unwilling to interfere in the affairs of the sister church. In private conversations, they express their sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but they do not want to endanger their relations with the Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Constantinople. These can painfully retaliate by accepting the demands of the Ukrainian bishops for recognition, and in general cause more trouble than it is worth, for the Russians.
     
    ***

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    Former Yanukovych media = anything more moderate than Censor.net? Are any of the things reported/translated in those sample posts actually false?

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.
     
    23% to 35% as of 2016, though yes, it will probably not go down to 15%, while UOC-KP may rise to 50%. But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property. This suggests they will not go smoothly.

    . Incidentally, this part of Israel Shamir’s article now becomes relevant:

    The Russians could influence the outcome, but they are quite unwilling to interfere in the affairs of the sister church. In private conversations, they express their sympathy for the Palestinian cause,

    Not sure how reliable Israel Shamir’s comments are.

    Russian Orthodox Church is usually sounding quite pro-Israel in its statements, which is understandable as a result of their small demographics in the region. Apart from some few hundreds of wives who married Palestinian students in CIS countries and immigrated to Israel/Palestine due to marriage to Arab students, their members in Israel (maybe it is some tens of thousands), are Israelis (usually voting Likud or Yisrael Beiteinu) whose children have to be conscripted into the army.

    Obviously this is very outnumbered, by Arab Christians in the region, who belong to Greek Orthodox and Greek Catholic churches.

  11. I don’t believe a fake moon is currently viable.

    Geostationary orbit is too high for the scale of anything that could be created today – it would be too small, maybe like a star. On the other hand, putting it in LEO would mean it would shoot across the sky in seconds.

  12. This is pretty cool.

  13. @Dmitry
    Tesla products are supposed to be very well designed, and receive positive reviews (even if manufacturing and servicing is incompetent).

    What is the commonalness of companies, who designing excellent products, has very positive brand image - then failing from some incompetence of manufacturing, or poor financing?

    For example, even if their finances collapsed, someone else will still buy the company and maintain its products?

    You are onto the same track I am.

    I believe Tesla will ultimately be acquired by a major global automobile OEM. GM, Ford, or Volkswagen.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Did any of you guys watch Elon Musk interview on Joe Rogan's show (Joe Rogan's show - actually quite addictive to play in the background)?

    It's funny if America's most successful (also weirdest) entrepreneur is an African immigrant.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI
  14. @Thorfinnsson
    You are onto the same track I am.

    I believe Tesla will ultimately be acquired by a major global automobile OEM. GM, Ford, or Volkswagen.

    Did any of you guys watch Elon Musk interview on Joe Rogan’s show (Joe Rogan’s show – actually quite addictive to play in the background)?

    It’s funny if America’s most successful (also weirdest) entrepreneur is an African immigrant.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Yes, I watched it and enjoyed it.

    America has a long tradition of immigrant entrepreneurs. My father is an immigrant entrepreneur.

    While I am short Tesla, I do like Elon Musk and hope he recovers after Tesla's inevitable bankruptcy. He needs to learn how to be honest however.
  15. @Anatoly Karlin
    This suggests that Jerusalem is not going to cooperate with Moscow if it were to attempt to isolate Constantinople, as some clerical hardliners advocate, but it says nothing to substantiate its assertion that this is "in response to Moscow decision". We do however have direct Russian claims that all three of the rest of the Ancient Sees supported canonical Orthodoxy in the Ukraine (i.e. UOC-MP).

    This is a disappointment, but not an entirely surprising one, considering that Jerusalem is staffed with Greeks, and Jerusalem is traditionally allied with Constantinople. Incidentally, this part of Israel Shamir's article now becomes relevant:

    The Russians could influence the outcome, but they are quite unwilling to interfere in the affairs of the sister church. In private conversations, they express their sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but they do not want to endanger their relations with the Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Constantinople. These can painfully retaliate by accepting the demands of the Ukrainian bishops for recognition, and in general cause more trouble than it is worth, for the Russians.
     
    ***

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    Former Yanukovych media = anything more moderate than Censor.net? Are any of the things reported/translated in those sample posts actually false?

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.
     
    23% to 35% as of 2016, though yes, it will probably not go down to 15%, while UOC-KP may rise to 50%. But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property. This suggests they will not go smoothly.

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.

    23% to 35% as of 2016

    The link was to a Razumkov poll showing 23% in 2016. 35% were simply “Orthodox” (didn’t know or care about differences).

    In 2018 Razumkov showed Moscow adherents down to 17% of Orthodox:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/community/social_questioning/72673/

    It will probably shrink to around 10%-12% now that there is a canonical way out for the patriots who were still in that Church.

    Ironically, there might be a silver lining for Russian interests, the smaller this Church becomes in terms of adherents, the more pro-Russian it will be.

    But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property.

    Church buildings built by the UOC-MP would probably not be touched if the parishioners want to stay with Moscow.

    The famous monasteries are still owned by the State, they were never given to the Church, only leased to it (for some nominal amount). It would be odd for these places to remain in the hands of an increasingly marginal group with few followers, representing a foreign state. Best case for the Russians would be if they were allowed to stay for another 30 years or so until the lease expires, and then were evicted. Much of the Kiev Lavra was built by Mazepa (whose excommunication by the Russian Church was described as invalid by Constantinople). Would be odd for that place in the heart of nationalist Kiev to remain as de facto Russian state property.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    In 30 years, there will by like 15 million people left in regime-controlled Ukraine. Assuming the regime even survives that long, there will be enough religious space for everybody.
  16. Trump is sending 800 troops to protect the border lol. And people are treating Trump like he is some kind of nationalist.

    Where is that wall by the way?

    • Replies: @Pericles

    I have a prediction. When the caravan gets to the US border, they will put the women & children on the front lines. There will be pictures of desperate women/babies in front of stonefaced, armed troops. TIME will put one on the cover and the headline will be “Trump’s America.”

     

    Finally some use for female soldiers. The men can sit in the gunship while the photo op is going.
  17. “Washington DC offers to drop India sanctions over purchase of Russian S-400 if it also buys American F-16s.”

    Lol, the US government might as well just admit it is the mafia now. They get mad when they don’t get their cut and pass it off as “national security”.

  18. Anglin is usually somewhat crude, but this piece was clever without having to resort to baser language.

    https://dailystormer.name/are-justin-bieber-and-miley-cyrus-the-same-npc-model-with-a-different-skin/

    • Replies: @utu

    Philosophers want to help you escape the physical plane. Backdrop people are here to do the opposite: To convince you that you’re nothing more than a piece of meat: a biological robot. That spirituality and souls are all wishful thinking nonsense. They want you wedded to the senses: To sex, addiction, materialism, etc.
     
    We must begin identifying the Backdrop people and we must have a plan what to do with them. And what are we going to do with the ones who already got convinced they are a piece of meat: a biological robot?
  19. @songbird
    Disney has been damaging its brand for a while now.

    I don't really get it. Walt used to put his signature on the screen because he was very brand-conscious, so did Jim Henson. Disney bought the Muppets and made some disturbingly perverse sitcom, where they were using fag terms.

    I think some Chinese investor could really eat their lunch, if they created a company and positioned it as the anti-Disney.

    Walt Disney was Hitler 2.0 so they won’t be able to stop themselves pozzing his name – a Russian or Chinese company that did Slav or Chinese versions of all the old Disney style movies would clean up with parents imo.

  20. @Hyperborean
    Anglin is usually somewhat crude, but this piece was clever without having to resort to baser language.

    https://dailystormer.name/are-justin-bieber-and-miley-cyrus-the-same-npc-model-with-a-different-skin/

    Philosophers want to help you escape the physical plane. Backdrop people are here to do the opposite: To convince you that you’re nothing more than a piece of meat: a biological robot. That spirituality and souls are all wishful thinking nonsense. They want you wedded to the senses: To sex, addiction, materialism, etc.

    We must begin identifying the Backdrop people and we must have a plan what to do with them. And what are we going to do with the ones who already got convinced they are a piece of meat: a biological robot?

  21. @Anonymous
    Trump is sending 800 troops to protect the border lol. And people are treating Trump like he is some kind of nationalist.

    Where is that wall by the way?

    I have a prediction. When the caravan gets to the US border, they will put the women & children on the front lines. There will be pictures of desperate women/babies in front of stonefaced, armed troops. TIME will put one on the cover and the headline will be “Trump’s America.”

    Finally some use for female soldiers. The men can sit in the gunship while the photo op is going.

  22. The presence of a Swedish director of Nutcrackaz strongly suggests that it will not be just a negro/woman LARP, but a negro/woman/homo LARP.

  23. @songbird
    Disney has been damaging its brand for a while now.

    I don't really get it. Walt used to put his signature on the screen because he was very brand-conscious, so did Jim Henson. Disney bought the Muppets and made some disturbingly perverse sitcom, where they were using fag terms.

    I think some Chinese investor could really eat their lunch, if they created a company and positioned it as the anti-Disney.

    actually they are extremely successful recently.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I know. I think that mostly comes through legacy, but a lot of people won't take their kids to see them, anymore. Plus, there are a lot of countries where their values are not remotely mainstream.

    They are damaging their brand unnecessarily. They could still get social justice points without doing it. No one really cares, for instance that they are putting MENA people in the new Aladdin, or that there is only one white gentile in the new Lion King. It's that they are rewriting European myths and settings and doing gay things.

    But they are very large, and there isn't really a company that competes with them head on. Most parents will just give into kids' demands.
  24. A bit OT: In utu I seem to recognize a fellow Central European. He also
    seems to suffer from the “small country syndrome,” i.e., the rage that ensues when
    a country’s dreams of greatness are constrained by the cold hard reality of its
    geographical limits. For example, Israel suffers from the small country syndrome …
    on steroids. However, many small countries in Central and Southern Europe
    also have that problem.

    But unlike utu I don’t have an animus toward Jews. Israel is a different story
    but Israel is a low IQ country. I don’t have an animus toward Jews (I know I’m
    touching the third rail here) because I consider most Jews to be failures.
    Remember, in my value system unless you show signs of enlightenment or
    holiness, you’re merely a smart chimp. A billionaire or a Nobel Prize winner
    is no more than a smart chimp. So you won the rat race, you’re still a rat.
    Let’s not forget that all we are is animals, we are part of nature. Are you gonna
    deny that? What are you? Some kind of science denialist? The never ending
    wars, never ending arms race, and never ending criminal activity prove
    conclusively that humanity has extreme difficulty rising above the smart chimp
    level. We’re tribal, territorial, and status seeking, all connected with the reptilian
    and paleomammalian portions of our brain. Of course, that simply means that
    Jews are nothing special, they are like 99% of humanity. It was silly of the Jews
    to reject a great human being like Jesus of Nazareth. Moreover, as I pointed
    out before, Jews failed to create a great civilization. They even failed to form
    a separate country in the wake of the fall of Rome. Nations like Bohemia,
    Poland, and Hungary were created during 850-950 AD with much smaller
    numbers than the total number of the Jews in Europe and the Mediterranean
    basin at that time. I remember once attending a conference where a Jewish
    speaker gave all sorts of examples of Jewish stupidity exhibited in the course
    of European history. Hence we need to show compassion toward the Jews,
    not hatred.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Still, as I had pointed out before, I believe humanity has a great potential.
    Anatoly is very interested in transhumanism. What I described before in
    some of my posts is the so-called Christian Transhumanism (a version
    of theosis). A Course in Miracles (1976) - all 1350 pages of it - is often described
    as Christianity for the Third Millennium. Some theologians in fact refer to it
    as the finest theological treatise produced in the 20th century. People who
    have studied it say it’s very transformative. It’s been translated into over 25
    languages, incl. Russian and Polish. I don’t know about Czech or Hungarian.
    Of course, one can instead follow the path of self-effort through meditation
    in all its varieties, Buddhist, Advaita Vedanta, etc. As a ‘60s guy I also see the
    return of psychedelics (except that they never really went away!)
    , @anon

    Remember, in my value system unless you show signs of enlightenment or holiness, you’re merely a smart chimp. A billionaire or a Nobel Prize winner is no more than a smart chimp.
     
    so what are you?
  25. @Anon 2
    A bit OT: In utu I seem to recognize a fellow Central European. He also
    seems to suffer from the “small country syndrome,” i.e., the rage that ensues when
    a country’s dreams of greatness are constrained by the cold hard reality of its
    geographical limits. For example, Israel suffers from the small country syndrome ...
    on steroids. However, many small countries in Central and Southern Europe
    also have that problem.

    But unlike utu I don’t have an animus toward Jews. Israel is a different story
    but Israel is a low IQ country. I don’t have an animus toward Jews (I know I’m
    touching the third rail here) because I consider most Jews to be failures.
    Remember, in my value system unless you show signs of enlightenment or
    holiness, you’re merely a smart chimp. A billionaire or a Nobel Prize winner
    is no more than a smart chimp. So you won the rat race, you’re still a rat.
    Let’s not forget that all we are is animals, we are part of nature. Are you gonna
    deny that? What are you? Some kind of science denialist? The never ending
    wars, never ending arms race, and never ending criminal activity prove
    conclusively that humanity has extreme difficulty rising above the smart chimp
    level. We’re tribal, territorial, and status seeking, all connected with the reptilian
    and paleomammalian portions of our brain. Of course, that simply means that
    Jews are nothing special, they are like 99% of humanity. It was silly of the Jews
    to reject a great human being like Jesus of Nazareth. Moreover, as I pointed
    out before, Jews failed to create a great civilization. They even failed to form
    a separate country in the wake of the fall of Rome. Nations like Bohemia,
    Poland, and Hungary were created during 850-950 AD with much smaller
    numbers than the total number of the Jews in Europe and the Mediterranean
    basin at that time. I remember once attending a conference where a Jewish
    speaker gave all sorts of examples of Jewish stupidity exhibited in the course
    of European history. Hence we need to show compassion toward the Jews,
    not hatred.

    Still, as I had pointed out before, I believe humanity has a great potential.
    Anatoly is very interested in transhumanism. What I described before in
    some of my posts is the so-called Christian Transhumanism (a version
    of theosis). A Course in Miracles (1976) – all 1350 pages of it – is often described
    as Christianity for the Third Millennium. Some theologians in fact refer to it
    as the finest theological treatise produced in the 20th century. People who
    have studied it say it’s very transformative. It’s been translated into over 25
    languages, incl. Russian and Polish. I don’t know about Czech or Hungarian.
    Of course, one can instead follow the path of self-effort through meditation
    in all its varieties, Buddhist, Advaita Vedanta, etc. As a ‘60s guy I also see the
    return of psychedelics (except that they never really went away!)

    • Replies: @utu
    Look up Father Groeschel who was very close to Helen Schucman (born Helen Dora Cohn) who 'channeled' the 'A Course in Miracles' while a being a professor of psychology at Columbia to William Thetford who was brought up in the Christian Science church. By the way, mother Ms. Helen Dora Cohn was into theosophy and Christian Science. It was William Thetford who hired Helen Schucman at Columbia. It is believed that at various times he worked on projects for CIA.

    Journalist Randall Sullivan met Father Benedict Groeschel and wrote this in the article:

    https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2004/07/the-making-of-a-course-in-miracles.aspx

    No less fascinating to the priest was the sharp distinction between Schucman's own stated convictions and the content of A Course in Miracles. "I hate that damn book," she often told him, and regularly disavowed its teachings.

    Most troubling to him by far was the "black hole of rage and depression that Schucman fell into during the last two years of her life," the priest explained. She had become frightening to be with, Groeschel recalled, spewing psychotic hatred not only for A Course in Miracles but "for all things spiritual." When he sat at Schucman's bedside as she lay dying, "she cursed, in the coarsest barroom language you could imagine, `that book, that goddamn book.' She said it was the worst thing that ever happened to her.

     

  26. @AP

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.

    23% to 35% as of 2016
     
    The link was to a Razumkov poll showing 23% in 2016. 35% were simply "Orthodox" (didn't know or care about differences).

    In 2018 Razumkov showed Moscow adherents down to 17% of Orthodox:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/community/social_questioning/72673/

    It will probably shrink to around 10%-12% now that there is a canonical way out for the patriots who were still in that Church.

    Ironically, there might be a silver lining for Russian interests, the smaller this Church becomes in terms of adherents, the more pro-Russian it will be.

    But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property.
     
    Church buildings built by the UOC-MP would probably not be touched if the parishioners want to stay with Moscow.

    The famous monasteries are still owned by the State, they were never given to the Church, only leased to it (for some nominal amount). It would be odd for these places to remain in the hands of an increasingly marginal group with few followers, representing a foreign state. Best case for the Russians would be if they were allowed to stay for another 30 years or so until the lease expires, and then were evicted. Much of the Kiev Lavra was built by Mazepa (whose excommunication by the Russian Church was described as invalid by Constantinople). Would be odd for that place in the heart of nationalist Kiev to remain as de facto Russian state property.

    In 30 years, there will by like 15 million people left in regime-controlled Ukraine. Assuming the regime even survives that long, there will be enough religious space for everybody.

    • Replies: @AP
    LOL, correct me if I am wrong but you believe that there are currently about 25 million or so people in Ukraine now, right? Why not claim that in 30 years there will be 10 million in your world? That will make you even happier.
  27. @AP

    While it’s obviously biased against Maidanism, the person who runs knows the Ukraine well
     
    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It's like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.

    * RT: Senior Russian Orthodox cleric says Constantinople’s recognition of schismatic Ukrainian church has invalidated its preeminent position in global Orthodoxy
     
    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/

    * Vzglyad: 403/413 monks in Odessa monastery voted to remain with UOC-MP [in Russian]. Looks like Filaret will have a hard slog, at least without help from Ukrainian nationalists.
     
    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine's Orthodox believers. It's the more pro-Russian group leftover group. plus those who are sticklers to recognition. Many of the pro-Ukrainian ones have already left or been purged. I'd expect perhaps 1/3 to defect, the pro-Ukrainian ones who were reluctant due to lack of recognition but who now have a way out. It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.

    Bullshit:

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    Actually, he takes issue with some Russian establishment views. He also referenced a poll on Ukrainian views on Russia which contradicts this wishful svido thinking:

    It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I've looked over his 'resurrected' blog and it indicates that his three year hiatus has not helped him resolve his self deprecating, Ukrainaphobic behavior. But because he's your typical Little Russian malcontent, a strong adept of Karlin's 'Triune theory', Karlin feels an affinity for him and is plugging his unimaginative blog. Too bad that you're not an ethnic 'Triunist', Mickey, otherwise Karlin might plug your blog too (instead of leaving this fruitless task solely up to yourself). I've got a suggestion for you: why don't you start commenting at Tomicek's blog, and maybe he'll reciprocate and start commenting at yours too? That way you'll both start averaging about 1 comment per thread, instead of the current average that's closer to -0-, for both of you? :-)
    -
  28. RT Russophobe rating challenged:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/23/naming-top-anti-russian-advocates.html

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/24102018-rt-russophobe-rating-challenged-oped/

    As noted with specifics, Nikki Haley and Tom Rogan come across as being more anti-Russian than Bill Browder and Michael McFaul.

    The stances taken by Travis Tygart, Sebastian Coe and Rune Andersen fit the hardcore anti-Russian category.

    The situation with Orthodox Christianity in Ukraine is also discussed.

  29. @Anon 2
    Still, as I had pointed out before, I believe humanity has a great potential.
    Anatoly is very interested in transhumanism. What I described before in
    some of my posts is the so-called Christian Transhumanism (a version
    of theosis). A Course in Miracles (1976) - all 1350 pages of it - is often described
    as Christianity for the Third Millennium. Some theologians in fact refer to it
    as the finest theological treatise produced in the 20th century. People who
    have studied it say it’s very transformative. It’s been translated into over 25
    languages, incl. Russian and Polish. I don’t know about Czech or Hungarian.
    Of course, one can instead follow the path of self-effort through meditation
    in all its varieties, Buddhist, Advaita Vedanta, etc. As a ‘60s guy I also see the
    return of psychedelics (except that they never really went away!)

    Look up Father Groeschel who was very close to Helen Schucman (born Helen Dora Cohn) who ‘channeled’ the ‘A Course in Miracles’ while a being a professor of psychology at Columbia to William Thetford who was brought up in the Christian Science church. By the way, mother Ms. Helen Dora Cohn was into theosophy and Christian Science. It was William Thetford who hired Helen Schucman at Columbia. It is believed that at various times he worked on projects for CIA.

    Journalist Randall Sullivan met Father Benedict Groeschel and wrote this in the article:

    https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2004/07/the-making-of-a-course-in-miracles.aspx

    No less fascinating to the priest was the sharp distinction between Schucman’s own stated convictions and the content of A Course in Miracles. “I hate that damn book,” she often told him, and regularly disavowed its teachings.

    Most troubling to him by far was the “black hole of rage and depression that Schucman fell into during the last two years of her life,” the priest explained. She had become frightening to be with, Groeschel recalled, spewing psychotic hatred not only for A Course in Miracles but “for all things spiritual.” When he sat at Schucman’s bedside as she lay dying, “she cursed, in the coarsest barroom language you could imagine, `that book, that goddamn book.’ She said it was the worst thing that ever happened to her.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    I'm well acquainted with the life of Helen Schucman and Father Groeschel's
    opinion of the Course but the testimonies of thousands of people whose lives
    have been transformed by the Course speak for themselves. Perfect truth is not
    available to us "this side of Paradise" so one needs to use the empirical
    approach: either the 365 exercises in A Course in Miracles" work for you
    or they don't. It's gratifying that finally Christianity has employed an empirical
    approach. In this sense it's become like Advaita Vedanta or Buddhism - either
    meditation works for you or it doesn't. And now the Course has a sequel
    called "A Course of Love" (2001) by Mari Perron which is only now beginning
    to receive the attention it fully deserves.
  30. Somewhat comedic and to be expected:

    https://www.rferl.org/a/mattis-says-russia-cannot-replace-u-s-commitment-in-middle-east/29566838.html

    The US examples in Iraq and Libya serve to validate Russia’s position in Syria. What was said in 2015 hasn’t been dis-proven:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/10/09/answering-russia-critics-on-syria.html

    Russia regularly meets with all key Middle East players – something the US hasn’t achieved – largely on account of having a misguided and narrow minded set of beliefs.

  31. * New China TV (video): China opens Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge, world’s longest sea crossing at 55km (3x as long as the Crimean bridge)

    But less useful than Crimea bridge and 3x more bureaucratic.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    3x more bureaucratic.

    Priceless video. Only 3x? What sort of paperwork is required to use the Crimea bridge?
  32. Why is Russia so deficient in production of “whodunit” mystery television programs? This is a SWPL category that Russia should be doing a lot better in. Sherlock Holmes is popular there, so I don’t think it’s a cultural thing. The UK produces something like 100 hours of this sort of programming every year. France around 20, same for the Nordic countries. But I believe that since 2014 there have been only two such series shown on Russian TV: Мажор and Метод (both available on Netflix), neither of which was very good, and which at a combined total of three seasons, average out to <10 hours per year.

    • Replies: @utu

    Why is Russia so deficient in production of “whodunit” mystery television programs?
     
    There are no mysteries in Russia. Under a proper interrogation the definitive truth is always established.
  33. @Jon0815
    Why is Russia so deficient in production of "whodunit" mystery television programs? This is a SWPL category that Russia should be doing a lot better in. Sherlock Holmes is popular there, so I don't think it's a cultural thing. The UK produces something like 100 hours of this sort of programming every year. France around 20, same for the Nordic countries. But I believe that since 2014 there have been only two such series shown on Russian TV: Мажор and Метод (both available on Netflix), neither of which was very good, and which at a combined total of three seasons, average out to <10 hours per year.

    Why is Russia so deficient in production of “whodunit” mystery television programs?

    There are no mysteries in Russia. Under a proper interrogation the definitive truth is always established.

    • Replies: @songbird
    There is a statue of Sherlock Holmes in Japan, even though the conviction rate there is very high. I'm not sure whether it is only a fringe that loves him there or not.
  34. @Dmitry
    Did any of you guys watch Elon Musk interview on Joe Rogan's show (Joe Rogan's show - actually quite addictive to play in the background)?

    It's funny if America's most successful (also weirdest) entrepreneur is an African immigrant.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI

    Yes, I watched it and enjoyed it.

    America has a long tradition of immigrant entrepreneurs. My father is an immigrant entrepreneur.

    While I am short Tesla, I do like Elon Musk and hope he recovers after Tesla’s inevitable bankruptcy. He needs to learn how to be honest however.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    He has an apocalyptic fear about AI. It is really, perhaps from his lack of understanding of how computation works - but still fun to imagine his science fiction scenarios - starting around 12:00 into the video.
    , @Dmitry

    While I am short Tesla, I do like Elon Musk and hope he recovers after Tesla’s inevitable bankruptcy. He needs to learn how to be honest however.

     

    Larry Ellison is supporting Tesla - it doesn't seem like they have a lack of investors. Probably already, this is "too big to fail".

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/oracle-s-ellison-says-tesla-is-his-second-biggest-investment
  35. @Anatoly Karlin
    This suggests that Jerusalem is not going to cooperate with Moscow if it were to attempt to isolate Constantinople, as some clerical hardliners advocate, but it says nothing to substantiate its assertion that this is "in response to Moscow decision". We do however have direct Russian claims that all three of the rest of the Ancient Sees supported canonical Orthodoxy in the Ukraine (i.e. UOC-MP).

    This is a disappointment, but not an entirely surprising one, considering that Jerusalem is staffed with Greeks, and Jerusalem is traditionally allied with Constantinople. Incidentally, this part of Israel Shamir's article now becomes relevant:

    The Russians could influence the outcome, but they are quite unwilling to interfere in the affairs of the sister church. In private conversations, they express their sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but they do not want to endanger their relations with the Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Constantinople. These can painfully retaliate by accepting the demands of the Ukrainian bishops for recognition, and in general cause more trouble than it is worth, for the Russians.
     
    ***

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    Former Yanukovych media = anything more moderate than Censor.net? Are any of the things reported/translated in those sample posts actually false?

    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine’s Orthodox believers.
     
    23% to 35% as of 2016, though yes, it will probably not go down to 15%, while UOC-KP may rise to 50%. But I was talking more about the coming expropriations of UOC-MP property. This suggests they will not go smoothly.
    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Bukephalos
    The Antiochian Patriarchate, which has jurisdiction over my own Greek orthodox community, has come clean and in support of the canonical Ukrainian church and Moscow.

    It's a relief the Antiochian Patriarchate is no longer in Antioch but in Damascus. Happened long before modern Turkey actually annexed the city, but it was for the best as there is a day and night difference nowadays between current Syrian authorities and the filthy rural donkeys who lord over the Turkish Republic.
    Two lessons here, first it shows that the Constantinople Patriarchate still sitting in Istanbul is a thoroughly dishonorable and dishonored institution, it already was in Ottoman times when candidates had to jockey for the position paying very hefty sums to the Sultan and it is all the more so after the last remnants of the Greek community were pogromed out of Anatolia and then the very city in 1955. Wasn't it enough of a signal to leave for greener pastures and officiate in exile? They stayed for what? For this culmination in a trainwreck of CIA sock-puppetry, spitting on the graves of dozens of generations and sullying the most seminal imperial legacy in history? For the most measly baksheesh at that, it seems. Of course this doesn't end there and we will get back at them one way or another.
    The other lesson is that, if the flock no longer speaks Greek then the parachuted Jerusalem patriarchs also have to go. They have amply shown themselves to be the mere continuation of Ottoman agents sent for mischief, now beholden to Israeli settlers, and also corrupt to the bone. Not much is new. "Collaborationist" Greek clergy used to be sent to lord over orthodox Balkan provinces during Ottoman times, and the tradition endures.
    , @AP
    The French Metropolitan strongly supports Constantinople:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/orthodox/constantinople_patriarchy/73177/

    Metropolitan Emmanuel expresses his regret that the Moscow Patriarchate is fiercely opposing the process of granting autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, tries to weaken by way of threats and attacks the communion ties that unite all Autocephalous Orthodox Churches between themselves.

    Metropolitan responded to the call of the Russian Orthodox Church to convene the Pan-Orthodox Council to discuss the issue of Ukrainian autocephaly:

    “The Moscow Church uses its influence in order to exert pressure on other Orthodox Churches, calling them to convene the Pan-Orthodox assembly. It should be noted, however, that the Russian Church refused to take part in the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church in June 2016 in Crete. It was about one of the most important Orthodox events in modern history. I regret the manifestation of such opportunism on the part of the Moscow Patriarchate, which seeks to use All-Orthodox meetings to place their own accents. In addition, it should be understood that the provision of autocephaly does not constitute a matter for the agenda at the Pan-Orthodox Council, this issue is solely within the competence of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, as the Mother Church, which grants independence to the Orthodox Ukrainian ecclesiastical body. This is a lesson in history. The Ecumenical Patriarchate is the source of autocephaly of all the local Orthodox Churches, with the exception of the ancient Patriarchs founded in the first millennium, and with the exception of the Cyprus Church.”

    :::::::::::::::

    Overall, whatever the underlying motives of Constantinople, its decision is the only one that actually brings millions of believers back to Orthodoxy. The Opposition to this move seems to be motivated by Russian nationalism and the Russian Church's allies have such Russian connections (Antioch is based in Syria, whose Christians were saved by Russia, Serbia is a Russian ally, etc.).
  36. @Mitleser

    * New China TV (video): China opens Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge, world’s longest sea crossing at 55km (3x as long as the Crimean bridge)
     
    But less useful than Crimea bridge and 3x more bureaucratic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO3bNlB9j9o

    3x more bureaucratic.

    Priceless video. Only 3x? What sort of paperwork is required to use the Crimea bridge?

  37. Where are Pussy Riot when you need them?

    Defaming Muhammad does not fall under purview of free speech, European court rules

    The freedom of speech does not extend to include defaming the prophet of Islam, the European Court of Human rights ruled Thursday.

    The Strasbourg-based ECHR ruled that insulting Islamic prophet Muhammad “goes beyond the permissible limits of an objective debate” and “could stir up prejudice and put at risk religious peace.”

    The court’s decision comes after it rejected an Austrian woman’s claim that her previous conviction for calling Muhammad a pedophile, due to his marriage to a 6-year-old girl, violated her freedom of speech.

    The ECHR ruled Austrian courts had “carefully balanced her right to freedom of expression with the right of others to have their religious feelings protected.”

    The woman, in her late 40s and identified only as E.S., claimed during two public seminars in 2009 that Muhammad’s marriage to a young girl was akin to “pedophilia.”

    According to Islamic tradition, the marriage between Muhammad and a 6-year-old girl was consummated when she was 9 years old and he was about 50.

    The Austrian woman stated in her seminars that Muhammad “liked to do it with children” and “… A 56-year-old and a 6-year-old? … What do we call it, if it is not pedophilia?”

    A Vienna court convicted her in 2011 of disparaging religious doctrines, ordering her to pay a $547 fine, plus legal costs. The ruling was later upheld by an Austrian appeals court.

    The woman argued her comments fell within her right of freedom of expression and that religious groups must tolerate criticism. She also argued her comments were intended to contribute to public debate and not designed to defame Muhammad.

    The ECHR said the Austrian court’s decision “served the legitimate aim of preserving religious peace.”

    The court also said the woman’s comments were not objective, failed to provide historical background and had no intention of promoting public debate.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/defaming-muhammad-does-not-fall-under-purview-of-free-speech-european-court-rules

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Vintage Trifkovic:

    https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/prince-mbs-a-good-mohammedan/
  38. @for-the-record
    Where are Pussy Riot when you need them?

    Defaming Muhammad does not fall under purview of free speech, European court rules

    The freedom of speech does not extend to include defaming the prophet of Islam, the European Court of Human rights ruled Thursday.

    The Strasbourg-based ECHR ruled that insulting Islamic prophet Muhammad “goes beyond the permissible limits of an objective debate” and “could stir up prejudice and put at risk religious peace.”

    The court’s decision comes after it rejected an Austrian woman’s claim that her previous conviction for calling Muhammad a pedophile, due to his marriage to a 6-year-old girl, violated her freedom of speech.

    The ECHR ruled Austrian courts had “carefully balanced her right to freedom of expression with the right of others to have their religious feelings protected.”

    The woman, in her late 40s and identified only as E.S., claimed during two public seminars in 2009 that Muhammad’s marriage to a young girl was akin to “pedophilia.”

    According to Islamic tradition, the marriage between Muhammad and a 6-year-old girl was consummated when she was 9 years old and he was about 50.

    The Austrian woman stated in her seminars that Muhammad “liked to do it with children” and “… A 56-year-old and a 6-year-old? … What do we call it, if it is not pedophilia?”

    A Vienna court convicted her in 2011 of disparaging religious doctrines, ordering her to pay a $547 fine, plus legal costs. The ruling was later upheld by an Austrian appeals court.

    The woman argued her comments fell within her right of freedom of expression and that religious groups must tolerate criticism. She also argued her comments were intended to contribute to public debate and not designed to defame Muhammad.

    The ECHR said the Austrian court’s decision “served the legitimate aim of preserving religious peace.”

    The court also said the woman’s comments were not objective, failed to provide historical background and had no intention of promoting public debate.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/defaming-muhammad-does-not-fall-under-purview-of-free-speech-european-court-rules
     
  39. @utu

    Why is Russia so deficient in production of “whodunit” mystery television programs?
     
    There are no mysteries in Russia. Under a proper interrogation the definitive truth is always established.

    There is a statue of Sherlock Holmes in Japan, even though the conviction rate there is very high. I’m not sure whether it is only a fringe that loves him there or not.

    • Replies: @utu
    I was alluding to the alleged Stalin's or Beria's saying that there are no innocent men, only improperly interrogated. I was trying to be funny.
  40. @songbird
    There is a statue of Sherlock Holmes in Japan, even though the conviction rate there is very high. I'm not sure whether it is only a fringe that loves him there or not.

    I was alluding to the alleged Stalin’s or Beria’s saying that there are no innocent men, only improperly interrogated. I was trying to be funny.

  41. @for-the-record

    The Antiochian Patriarchate, which has jurisdiction over my own Greek orthodox community, has come clean and in support of the canonical Ukrainian church and Moscow.

    It’s a relief the Antiochian Patriarchate is no longer in Antioch but in Damascus. Happened long before modern Turkey actually annexed the city, but it was for the best as there is a day and night difference nowadays between current Syrian authorities and the filthy rural donkeys who lord over the Turkish Republic.
    Two lessons here, first it shows that the Constantinople Patriarchate still sitting in Istanbul is a thoroughly dishonorable and dishonored institution, it already was in Ottoman times when candidates had to jockey for the position paying very hefty sums to the Sultan and it is all the more so after the last remnants of the Greek community were pogromed out of Anatolia and then the very city in 1955. Wasn’t it enough of a signal to leave for greener pastures and officiate in exile? They stayed for what? For this culmination in a trainwreck of CIA sock-puppetry, spitting on the graves of dozens of generations and sullying the most seminal imperial legacy in history? For the most measly baksheesh at that, it seems. Of course this doesn’t end there and we will get back at them one way or another.
    The other lesson is that, if the flock no longer speaks Greek then the parachuted Jerusalem patriarchs also have to go. They have amply shown themselves to be the mere continuation of Ottoman agents sent for mischief, now beholden to Israeli settlers, and also corrupt to the bone. Not much is new. “Collaborationist” Greek clergy used to be sent to lord over orthodox Balkan provinces during Ottoman times, and the tradition endures.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @AP

    The Antiochian Patriarchate, which has jurisdiction over my own Greek orthodox community, has come clean and in support of the canonical Ukrainian church and Moscow.
     
    Given that Russia saved Syria's Christians, this is not at all surprising. Although Constantinople's actions make all the Ukrainian churches canonical.

    At least one of the Moscow Church's Metropolitans in Ukraine is planning to go over to the new united Church:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/confessional/orthodox_relations/73185/

    The background is that the previous head of the UOC - Moscow, Volodymyr Sabodan, was a crypto-nationalist who was trying to slowly make this Church more Ukrainian, and there were rumors by Ukrainian patriots within that Church that his illness was made worse by the previous regime so that a more pro-Moscow figure could replace him. He died before his plans could come to fruition.

    After his death in early 2014, his supporters were purged from important positions and replaced by more pro-Moscow figures. So ironically as Ukraine's society became more patriotic/nationalistic, the UOC - Moscow moved in the opposite direction and became more hardline-Russian.

    Many of Sabodan's people such as the Metropolitan interviewed in the link above will now have a canonical way out of the Moscow Church and will take it. This will reduce the Moscow Church to a much more Russian, and much smaller, entity in Ukraine, squatting in some important buildings.

  42. @gate666
    actually they are extremely successful recently.

    I know. I think that mostly comes through legacy, but a lot of people won’t take their kids to see them, anymore. Plus, there are a lot of countries where their values are not remotely mainstream.

    They are damaging their brand unnecessarily. They could still get social justice points without doing it. No one really cares, for instance that they are putting MENA people in the new Aladdin, or that there is only one white gentile in the new Lion King. It’s that they are rewriting European myths and settings and doing gay things.

    But they are very large, and there isn’t really a company that competes with them head on. Most parents will just give into kids’ demands.

    • Replies: @nznz
    How true is that though, globally millenials are a lot more liberal than their older parents are, I mean there was a survey where more than half of Japanese for the first time are in favorr if gay marriage, and if China was a democracy like Taiwan I guess that gay marriage would be legalized there within the next ten years at most.
    , @nznz
    So what do you think should be done with the LGBT question, kept in the closet? Genocided? Bring back Leviticus?
  43. @Mikhail
    Bullshit:

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    Actually, he takes issue with some Russian establishment views. He also referenced a poll on Ukrainian views on Russia which contradicts this wishful svido thinking:

    It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.
     

    I’ve looked over his ‘resurrected’ blog and it indicates that his three year hiatus has not helped him resolve his self deprecating, Ukrainaphobic behavior. But because he’s your typical Little Russian malcontent, a strong adept of Karlin’s ‘Triune theory’, Karlin feels an affinity for him and is plugging his unimaginative blog. Too bad that you’re not an ethnic ‘Triunist’, Mickey, otherwise Karlin might plug your blog too (instead of leaving this fruitless task solely up to yourself). I’ve got a suggestion for you: why don’t you start commenting at Tomicek’s blog, and maybe he’ll reciprocate and start commenting at yours too? That way you’ll both start averaging about 1 comment per thread, instead of the current average that’s closer to -0-, for both of you? 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    These inaccurately dull comments from you have already been debunked. Goble's blog doesn't get any comments. That doesn't stop him from getting picked up at JRL and being referenced at RFE/RL. Not that such makes him superior. There's a good deal of phony, crony baloney activity when it comes to what does and doesn't get propped, to go along with some permeating cultural and geopolitical biases. BTW, JRL doesn't have many posted comments.

    The person who you've a hard on for has been on the BBC a couple of times, in addition to having been academically referenced and regularly interacting with key academics. Meantime, your activity is comparatively pathetic as an anonymous crank.

    FYI, I believe that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus descend from Rus in a way that Poland and others don't - adding that there's a very good basis for the 3 Rus related countries to be on close, friendly terms.
  44. @songbird
    I know. I think that mostly comes through legacy, but a lot of people won't take their kids to see them, anymore. Plus, there are a lot of countries where their values are not remotely mainstream.

    They are damaging their brand unnecessarily. They could still get social justice points without doing it. No one really cares, for instance that they are putting MENA people in the new Aladdin, or that there is only one white gentile in the new Lion King. It's that they are rewriting European myths and settings and doing gay things.

    But they are very large, and there isn't really a company that competes with them head on. Most parents will just give into kids' demands.

    How true is that though, globally millenials are a lot more liberal than their older parents are, I mean there was a survey where more than half of Japanese for the first time are in favorr if gay marriage, and if China was a democracy like Taiwan I guess that gay marriage would be legalized there within the next ten years at most.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Gays are, by definition, a very small market. Whatever the polls on marriage are, they don't grow the numbers of gays. I don't think you can rewire the disgust reflex of a lot of people even if they tolerate gay marriage.

    For instance, Star Trek is not a Disney property, but I wouldn't say a lot of Asian people want to see a gay Sulu compared to a straight one. People like characters because they can relate to them. Similarly, I don't think blacks like what's been done to Lando Calrissian.
  45. @Thorfinnsson
    Yes, I watched it and enjoyed it.

    America has a long tradition of immigrant entrepreneurs. My father is an immigrant entrepreneur.

    While I am short Tesla, I do like Elon Musk and hope he recovers after Tesla's inevitable bankruptcy. He needs to learn how to be honest however.

    He has an apocalyptic fear about AI. It is really, perhaps from his lack of understanding of how computation works – but still fun to imagine his science fiction scenarios – starting around 12:00 into the video.

  46. @Thorfinnsson
    Yes, I watched it and enjoyed it.

    America has a long tradition of immigrant entrepreneurs. My father is an immigrant entrepreneur.

    While I am short Tesla, I do like Elon Musk and hope he recovers after Tesla's inevitable bankruptcy. He needs to learn how to be honest however.

    While I am short Tesla, I do like Elon Musk and hope he recovers after Tesla’s inevitable bankruptcy. He needs to learn how to be honest however.

    Larry Ellison is supporting Tesla – it doesn’t seem like they have a lack of investors. Probably already, this is “too big to fail”.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/oracle-s-ellison-says-tesla-is-his-second-biggest-investment

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Tesla isn't General Motors.

    Nobody is going to give them a cash infusion when they run out of money.
  47. @Anon 2
    A bit OT: In utu I seem to recognize a fellow Central European. He also
    seems to suffer from the “small country syndrome,” i.e., the rage that ensues when
    a country’s dreams of greatness are constrained by the cold hard reality of its
    geographical limits. For example, Israel suffers from the small country syndrome ...
    on steroids. However, many small countries in Central and Southern Europe
    also have that problem.

    But unlike utu I don’t have an animus toward Jews. Israel is a different story
    but Israel is a low IQ country. I don’t have an animus toward Jews (I know I’m
    touching the third rail here) because I consider most Jews to be failures.
    Remember, in my value system unless you show signs of enlightenment or
    holiness, you’re merely a smart chimp. A billionaire or a Nobel Prize winner
    is no more than a smart chimp. So you won the rat race, you’re still a rat.
    Let’s not forget that all we are is animals, we are part of nature. Are you gonna
    deny that? What are you? Some kind of science denialist? The never ending
    wars, never ending arms race, and never ending criminal activity prove
    conclusively that humanity has extreme difficulty rising above the smart chimp
    level. We’re tribal, territorial, and status seeking, all connected with the reptilian
    and paleomammalian portions of our brain. Of course, that simply means that
    Jews are nothing special, they are like 99% of humanity. It was silly of the Jews
    to reject a great human being like Jesus of Nazareth. Moreover, as I pointed
    out before, Jews failed to create a great civilization. They even failed to form
    a separate country in the wake of the fall of Rome. Nations like Bohemia,
    Poland, and Hungary were created during 850-950 AD with much smaller
    numbers than the total number of the Jews in Europe and the Mediterranean
    basin at that time. I remember once attending a conference where a Jewish
    speaker gave all sorts of examples of Jewish stupidity exhibited in the course
    of European history. Hence we need to show compassion toward the Jews,
    not hatred.

    Remember, in my value system unless you show signs of enlightenment or holiness, you’re merely a smart chimp. A billionaire or a Nobel Prize winner is no more than a smart chimp.

    so what are you?

  48. Anglin is usually somewhat crude,

    Speaking of Anglin, I wonder if he’ll do an article on this poll:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgEPoEWoAAZA5W?format=jpg

    Married White women are supporting the GOP at nearly the same rate as men, and drubbing unmarried White men by 10 points. Even unmarried White women support the GOP at a higher rate than any other group, obviously including married men of all non-White racial groups.

    The smallest gender gap of all is among Whites.

    h/t McFeels

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    What's your point Rosie?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Anglin again. You are obsessed!

    Anyhow, this is a good sign. Since women are much more conformist than men, this implies that Trumpism is becoming rapidly normalized in the US. (Women are also more economically leftist, but it's not like Trump has moved to the left - rather the converse, if anything - so that can't be the reason).

    Eventually it may come to pass that more women vote for Trump than men, as has long become the case in Russia wrt Putin, and is now I believe the case in Hungary wrt Orban (maybe reiner Tor can confirm).
  49. @Dmitry

    While I am short Tesla, I do like Elon Musk and hope he recovers after Tesla’s inevitable bankruptcy. He needs to learn how to be honest however.

     

    Larry Ellison is supporting Tesla - it doesn't seem like they have a lack of investors. Probably already, this is "too big to fail".

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-26/oracle-s-ellison-says-tesla-is-his-second-biggest-investment

    Tesla isn’t General Motors.

    Nobody is going to give them a cash infusion when they run out of money.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Obama gave to General Motors over $16 billion of taxpayer money by 2010.

    You would hope, no intelligent president, would behave like for any companies in the future, at least until Democrat's control of the White House.

    Such companies, if they can only survive with vast government cash injection, "deserve to fail".

    However, obviously Tesla has still not a problem finding new private investors. Larry Ellison starts to invest in Tesla recently - which is after its losing quarters, and when it was in a worse situation than today:


    Ellison later acknowledged that Musk has had trouble achieving goals to ramp up production of the Model 3 under the timelines he’s set to motivate Tesla’s employees. But he said he bought into the company before it started showing results after accompanying Musk on factory tours.
     
    , @Nznz
    GM is actually doing pretty well now and their market share has stabilized.
  50. @Rosie

    Anglin is usually somewhat crude,
     
    Speaking of Anglin, I wonder if he'll do an article on this poll:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgEPoEWoAAZA5W?format=jpg

    Married White women are supporting the GOP at nearly the same rate as men, and drubbing unmarried White men by 10 points. Even unmarried White women support the GOP at a higher rate than any other group, obviously including married men of all non-White racial groups.

    The smallest gender gap of all is among Whites.

    h/t McFeels

    What’s your point Rosie?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    What’s your point Rosie?
     
    I'm sick and tired of hearing how it's all White women voters' fault, when it's a problem with unmarried voters, if anything.
  51. @Thorfinnsson
    Tesla isn't General Motors.

    Nobody is going to give them a cash infusion when they run out of money.

    Obama gave to General Motors over $16 billion of taxpayer money by 2010.

    You would hope, no intelligent president, would behave like for any companies in the future, at least until Democrat’s control of the White House.

    Such companies, if they can only survive with vast government cash injection, “deserve to fail”.

    However, obviously Tesla has still not a problem finding new private investors. Larry Ellison starts to invest in Tesla recently – which is after its losing quarters, and when it was in a worse situation than today:

    Ellison later acknowledged that Musk has had trouble achieving goals to ramp up production of the Model 3 under the timelines he’s set to motivate Tesla’s employees. But he said he bought into the company before it started showing results after accompanying Musk on factory tours.

  52. @songbird
    I know. I think that mostly comes through legacy, but a lot of people won't take their kids to see them, anymore. Plus, there are a lot of countries where their values are not remotely mainstream.

    They are damaging their brand unnecessarily. They could still get social justice points without doing it. No one really cares, for instance that they are putting MENA people in the new Aladdin, or that there is only one white gentile in the new Lion King. It's that they are rewriting European myths and settings and doing gay things.

    But they are very large, and there isn't really a company that competes with them head on. Most parents will just give into kids' demands.

    So what do you think should be done with the LGBT question, kept in the closet? Genocided? Bring back Leviticus?

    • Troll: Toronto Russian
  53. Frankly anybody who proposes do increase or allow immigration of high IQ non-whites is no different from a race traitor.

  54. @nznz
    How true is that though, globally millenials are a lot more liberal than their older parents are, I mean there was a survey where more than half of Japanese for the first time are in favorr if gay marriage, and if China was a democracy like Taiwan I guess that gay marriage would be legalized there within the next ten years at most.

    Gays are, by definition, a very small market. Whatever the polls on marriage are, they don’t grow the numbers of gays. I don’t think you can rewire the disgust reflex of a lot of people even if they tolerate gay marriage.

    For instance, Star Trek is not a Disney property, but I wouldn’t say a lot of Asian people want to see a gay Sulu compared to a straight one. People like characters because they can relate to them. Similarly, I don’t think blacks like what’s been done to Lando Calrissian.

    • Replies: @nznz
    I recall seeing polls where increasing numbers of teen males admit having same sex experiences in the UK, something like 10 percent or thereabouts, and if male on male sex is not stigmatized or seen as abnormal in the Greco-Roman world, you can sure see a situation where male and female homosexuality and bisexuality is seen as something normal or not disgusting among the younger generation. Have you seen the Pew polls where less than 30 percent think that homosexuality should be discouraged? The reason why the LGBT community was ostracized in the past was precisely to prevent the spread of the idea that homosexual or bisexual behavior, or sharply gender norms is a good idea.
    , @Nznz
    Base on historical evidence, I believe there is some validity to the idea that the vast majority of people are innately bisexual, and that people can become heterosexual because of cultural taboos, else you would not have a thing like prison sex or man love Thursdays.
  55. @songbird
    Gays are, by definition, a very small market. Whatever the polls on marriage are, they don't grow the numbers of gays. I don't think you can rewire the disgust reflex of a lot of people even if they tolerate gay marriage.

    For instance, Star Trek is not a Disney property, but I wouldn't say a lot of Asian people want to see a gay Sulu compared to a straight one. People like characters because they can relate to them. Similarly, I don't think blacks like what's been done to Lando Calrissian.

    I recall seeing polls where increasing numbers of teen males admit having same sex experiences in the UK, something like 10 percent or thereabouts, and if male on male sex is not stigmatized or seen as abnormal in the Greco-Roman world, you can sure see a situation where male and female homosexuality and bisexuality is seen as something normal or not disgusting among the younger generation. Have you seen the Pew polls where less than 30 percent think that homosexuality should be discouraged? The reason why the LGBT community was ostracized in the past was precisely to prevent the spread of the idea that homosexual or bisexual behavior, or sharply gender norms is a good idea.

    • Replies: @notanon

    and if male on male sex is not stigmatized or seen as abnormal in the Greco-Roman world
     
    it was stigmatized - the exception was they tolerated pedophilia between an adult male and a boy
  56. @songbird
    Gays are, by definition, a very small market. Whatever the polls on marriage are, they don't grow the numbers of gays. I don't think you can rewire the disgust reflex of a lot of people even if they tolerate gay marriage.

    For instance, Star Trek is not a Disney property, but I wouldn't say a lot of Asian people want to see a gay Sulu compared to a straight one. People like characters because they can relate to them. Similarly, I don't think blacks like what's been done to Lando Calrissian.

    Base on historical evidence, I believe there is some validity to the idea that the vast majority of people are innately bisexual, and that people can become heterosexual because of cultural taboos, else you would not have a thing like prison sex or man love Thursdays.

    • Replies: @utu
    It is absolutely irrelevant what is innate. Young men when given opportunity will fuck animals. Is it innate? We have civilization to set up norms and acculturate people to these norms. And we have particular norms because they are good for the civilization.
    , @songbird
    The prison population shouldn't be taken as an example of society at large. Prisoners aren't there randomly but because they have mental deficiencies. Anyway, that is gender segregation. If taboos are being broken that is the opposite of gender segregation.

    Logically, there are reasons enough to ostracize gayness without everyone being gay.

    There isn't a sensible evolutionary argument for most people being bi. Gay porn is readily available, in privacy, but the vast majority of men do not watch it. Perhaps, you are engaging in some form of wishful thinking - personal preference or the malleability of the individual.
    , @Anonymous
    What are "man love Thursdays"? I've never heard of it before.

    Incidentally, there is a popular Alt-Right Tweeter named "Bronze Age Pervert" (BAP) who promotes homoerotic memes and images on the Alt-Right, although generally with irony and humor in order to maintain plausible deniability. On Thursdays on his Twitter feed, which he calls "Handsome Thursdays", he Tweets a lot of semi-nude pictures of male models. I wonder if this is connected to "man love Thursdays". He would not use a term like "man love Thursdays" because that would be too obvious and strong.
  57. @Thorfinnsson
    Tesla isn't General Motors.

    Nobody is going to give them a cash infusion when they run out of money.

    GM is actually doing pretty well now and their market share has stabilized.

  58. @Nznz
    Base on historical evidence, I believe there is some validity to the idea that the vast majority of people are innately bisexual, and that people can become heterosexual because of cultural taboos, else you would not have a thing like prison sex or man love Thursdays.

    It is absolutely irrelevant what is innate. Young men when given opportunity will fuck animals. Is it innate? We have civilization to set up norms and acculturate people to these norms. And we have particular norms because they are good for the civilization.

  59. @Felix Keverich
    In 30 years, there will by like 15 million people left in regime-controlled Ukraine. Assuming the regime even survives that long, there will be enough religious space for everybody.

    LOL, correct me if I am wrong but you believe that there are currently about 25 million or so people in Ukraine now, right? Why not claim that in 30 years there will be 10 million in your world? That will make you even happier.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    I think the number is somewhere in low 30 millions right now. And no, I'm not too happy about it, but you must understand: the chances of the Ukraine becoming something of a viable state are NIL.
    , @Gerard2

    LOL, correct me if I am wrong but you believe that there are currently about 25 million or so people in Ukraine now, right? Why not claim that in 30 years there will be 10 million in your world? That will make you even happier.

     

    errr..... there are 15 million in employment in Ukraine you thick tramp....75 million in Russia. That's 1 :5 difference , even though, officially, the difference is supposed to be a little higher than 1:3. Even allowing for better unemployment rates, Belarus has 4.5 million workers- even though it's population is supposed to be dwarfed by Banderastans by 1:5 ratio ......even more embarrassing considering that Ukraine should have had the advantage for years over Russia of proportionately higher workers from the increased pension ages for women, low life expectancy of Russian men for many years until recently, areas in Russia covering millions of people with extreme cold/and or daylight and reduced or post-Soviet industrial decay



    then factor in numerous other things like the food statistics, economic statistics , visiting numerous Ukrainian cities and seeing the infrastructure, whilst collapsing and poorly maintained , still exists there on a large scale that vastly seems to outnumber the number of people I see around there, and many other things.........then it is beyond braindead....even for a nutjob troll vermin as yourself to even think to claim that Ukraine doesn't have a severe population shortage with a population anywhere between 22-3o million at the moment
  60. @for-the-record

    The French Metropolitan strongly supports Constantinople:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/orthodox/constantinople_patriarchy/73177/

    Metropolitan Emmanuel expresses his regret that the Moscow Patriarchate is fiercely opposing the process of granting autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, tries to weaken by way of threats and attacks the communion ties that unite all Autocephalous Orthodox Churches between themselves.

    Metropolitan responded to the call of the Russian Orthodox Church to convene the Pan-Orthodox Council to discuss the issue of Ukrainian autocephaly:

    “The Moscow Church uses its influence in order to exert pressure on other Orthodox Churches, calling them to convene the Pan-Orthodox assembly. It should be noted, however, that the Russian Church refused to take part in the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church in June 2016 in Crete. It was about one of the most important Orthodox events in modern history. I regret the manifestation of such opportunism on the part of the Moscow Patriarchate, which seeks to use All-Orthodox meetings to place their own accents. In addition, it should be understood that the provision of autocephaly does not constitute a matter for the agenda at the Pan-Orthodox Council, this issue is solely within the competence of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, as the Mother Church, which grants independence to the Orthodox Ukrainian ecclesiastical body. This is a lesson in history. The Ecumenical Patriarchate is the source of autocephaly of all the local Orthodox Churches, with the exception of the ancient Patriarchs founded in the first millennium, and with the exception of the Cyprus Church.”

    :::::::::::::::

    Overall, whatever the underlying motives of Constantinople, its decision is the only one that actually brings millions of believers back to Orthodoxy. The Opposition to this move seems to be motivated by Russian nationalism and the Russian Church’s allies have such Russian connections (Antioch is based in Syria, whose Christians were saved by Russia, Serbia is a Russian ally, etc.).

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Oh yeah!?

    Overall, whatever the underlying motives of Constantinople, its decision is the only one that actually brings millions of believers back to Orthodoxy. The Opposition to this move seems to be motivated by Russian nationalism and the Russian Church’s allies have such Russian connections (Antioch is based in Syria, whose Christians were saved by Russia, Serbia is a Russian ally, etc.).
     
    Svido nationalism is motivating the move running directly opposite to it. Despite Kiev regime pressure, the established UOC doesn't look like it's going to whither away anytime soon, on account of a noticeably number in Ukraine not having svido views.
  61. @Nznz
    Base on historical evidence, I believe there is some validity to the idea that the vast majority of people are innately bisexual, and that people can become heterosexual because of cultural taboos, else you would not have a thing like prison sex or man love Thursdays.

    The prison population shouldn’t be taken as an example of society at large. Prisoners aren’t there randomly but because they have mental deficiencies. Anyway, that is gender segregation. If taboos are being broken that is the opposite of gender segregation.

    Logically, there are reasons enough to ostracize gayness without everyone being gay.

    There isn’t a sensible evolutionary argument for most people being bi. Gay porn is readily available, in privacy, but the vast majority of men do not watch it. Perhaps, you are engaging in some form of wishful thinking – personal preference or the malleability of the individual.

  62. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    And now, the clownish Florida style prelude is over, and the real pre-election terror campaign started. As in every self respecting third world country, the more blood on the streets, the more democracy.

    And the perpetrator is the real deal, fully woke alt-righter. Let’s hope he was Unz.com reader, Ron can always use more free publicity.

    Buy guns and ammo!

    • Replies: @DFH
    It really hasn't been a great year for the Alt-Right
    , @Brabantian
    4chan /pol/ and another site are on the case of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting today ... Bowers had been denouncing Trump for being too Jewish-favouring

    But: 10 days ago, Bowers had re-posted a message from anti-Jewish US politician Patrick Little, who warned, "I expect a very large false flag attack as one of the final desperate attempts by the jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in the face of collapsing public trust in (((the media)))"

    So the claim is that this guy tweeted about Jewish run false-flags, and then somehow a few days later, decided to be a synagogue shooter?

    Or did they pick this 'Robert Bowers' to be the patsy for killing, enjoying satanic irony in that he himself had just tweeted about expecting a Jewish-run false flag?

    Culturally interesting in that the synagogue massacre stopped the circumcision mutilation of a Jewish baby boy that was scheduled ... circumcision is a barbarism needing to be outlawed everywhere

    Had known about 4chan /pol/ with many Unz readers, but hadn't before seen Kiwi Farms on this kind of material, a site about eccentric internet communities in general, but with a special section devoted to mass shooting situations, and archiving material before it disappears. It quickly set up a Robert Bowers thread, pointing out, e.g., that there are two Robert Bowers in Pennsylvania, one not the shooter, but with a long criminal record
    , @Dmitry
    Well it didn't seem much in Western media, but just more than a week ago a student killed 20 students and staff in his college in Crimea (probably imitating American style shooting).

    There is not really much pattern or logic, in this branch of crazy. If aren't dodging bullets in Florida or Colorado, it can happen even going to school in Crimea nowadays.
    , @notanon
    i've been expecting a reaction to the media's censorship campaign but i was expecting the target to be the media itself.
    , @Mitleser
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqiCAOWWsAAvaYA.jpg

    Was he wrong?
  63. @AP
    LOL, correct me if I am wrong but you believe that there are currently about 25 million or so people in Ukraine now, right? Why not claim that in 30 years there will be 10 million in your world? That will make you even happier.

    I think the number is somewhere in low 30 millions right now. And no, I’m not too happy about it, but you must understand: the chances of the Ukraine becoming something of a viable state are NIL.

  64. @Bukephalos
    The Antiochian Patriarchate, which has jurisdiction over my own Greek orthodox community, has come clean and in support of the canonical Ukrainian church and Moscow.

    It's a relief the Antiochian Patriarchate is no longer in Antioch but in Damascus. Happened long before modern Turkey actually annexed the city, but it was for the best as there is a day and night difference nowadays between current Syrian authorities and the filthy rural donkeys who lord over the Turkish Republic.
    Two lessons here, first it shows that the Constantinople Patriarchate still sitting in Istanbul is a thoroughly dishonorable and dishonored institution, it already was in Ottoman times when candidates had to jockey for the position paying very hefty sums to the Sultan and it is all the more so after the last remnants of the Greek community were pogromed out of Anatolia and then the very city in 1955. Wasn't it enough of a signal to leave for greener pastures and officiate in exile? They stayed for what? For this culmination in a trainwreck of CIA sock-puppetry, spitting on the graves of dozens of generations and sullying the most seminal imperial legacy in history? For the most measly baksheesh at that, it seems. Of course this doesn't end there and we will get back at them one way or another.
    The other lesson is that, if the flock no longer speaks Greek then the parachuted Jerusalem patriarchs also have to go. They have amply shown themselves to be the mere continuation of Ottoman agents sent for mischief, now beholden to Israeli settlers, and also corrupt to the bone. Not much is new. "Collaborationist" Greek clergy used to be sent to lord over orthodox Balkan provinces during Ottoman times, and the tradition endures.

    The Antiochian Patriarchate, which has jurisdiction over my own Greek orthodox community, has come clean and in support of the canonical Ukrainian church and Moscow.

    Given that Russia saved Syria’s Christians, this is not at all surprising. Although Constantinople’s actions make all the Ukrainian churches canonical.

    At least one of the Moscow Church’s Metropolitans in Ukraine is planning to go over to the new united Church:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/confessional/orthodox_relations/73185/

    The background is that the previous head of the UOC – Moscow, Volodymyr Sabodan, was a crypto-nationalist who was trying to slowly make this Church more Ukrainian, and there were rumors by Ukrainian patriots within that Church that his illness was made worse by the previous regime so that a more pro-Moscow figure could replace him. He died before his plans could come to fruition.

    After his death in early 2014, his supporters were purged from important positions and replaced by more pro-Moscow figures. So ironically as Ukraine’s society became more patriotic/nationalistic, the UOC – Moscow moved in the opposite direction and became more hardline-Russian.

    Many of Sabodan’s people such as the Metropolitan interviewed in the link above will now have a canonical way out of the Moscow Church and will take it. This will reduce the Moscow Church to a much more Russian, and much smaller, entity in Ukraine, squatting in some important buildings.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Rehashed svido wishful thinking:

    Many of Sabodan’s people such as the Metropolitan interviewed in the link above will now have a canonical way out of the Moscow Church and will take it. This will reduce the Moscow Church to a much more Russian, and much smaller, entity in Ukraine, squatting in some important buildings.
     
    A recent poll in Ukraine, referenced by Insomniac Resurrected indicates differently.
  65. @nznz
    I recall seeing polls where increasing numbers of teen males admit having same sex experiences in the UK, something like 10 percent or thereabouts, and if male on male sex is not stigmatized or seen as abnormal in the Greco-Roman world, you can sure see a situation where male and female homosexuality and bisexuality is seen as something normal or not disgusting among the younger generation. Have you seen the Pew polls where less than 30 percent think that homosexuality should be discouraged? The reason why the LGBT community was ostracized in the past was precisely to prevent the spread of the idea that homosexual or bisexual behavior, or sharply gender norms is a good idea.

    and if male on male sex is not stigmatized or seen as abnormal in the Greco-Roman world

    it was stigmatized – the exception was they tolerated pedophilia between an adult male and a boy

  66. @anon
    And now, the clownish Florida style prelude is over, and the real pre-election terror campaign started. As in every self respecting third world country, the more blood on the streets, the more democracy.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056207874370756608

    And the perpetrator is the real deal, fully woke alt-righter. Let's hope he was Unz.com reader, Ron can always use more free publicity.

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1056223326673219589

    Buy guns and ammo!

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056225963539906561

    It really hasn’t been a great year for the Alt-Right

  67. @anon
    And now, the clownish Florida style prelude is over, and the real pre-election terror campaign started. As in every self respecting third world country, the more blood on the streets, the more democracy.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056207874370756608

    And the perpetrator is the real deal, fully woke alt-righter. Let's hope he was Unz.com reader, Ron can always use more free publicity.

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1056223326673219589

    Buy guns and ammo!

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056225963539906561

    4chan /pol/ and another site are on the case of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting today … Bowers had been denouncing Trump for being too Jewish-favouring

    But: 10 days ago, Bowers had re-posted a message from anti-Jewish US politician Patrick Little, who warned, “I expect a very large false flag attack as one of the final desperate attempts by the jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in the face of collapsing public trust in (((the media)))”

    So the claim is that this guy tweeted about Jewish run false-flags, and then somehow a few days later, decided to be a synagogue shooter?

    Or did they pick this ‘Robert Bowers’ to be the patsy for killing, enjoying satanic irony in that he himself had just tweeted about expecting a Jewish-run false flag?

    Culturally interesting in that the synagogue massacre stopped the circumcision mutilation of a Jewish baby boy that was scheduled … circumcision is a barbarism needing to be outlawed everywhere

    Had known about 4chan /pol/ with many Unz readers, but hadn’t before seen Kiwi Farms on this kind of material, a site about eccentric internet communities in general, but with a special section devoted to mass shooting situations, and archiving material before it disappears. It quickly set up a Robert Bowers thread, pointing out, e.g., that there are two Robert Bowers in Pennsylvania, one not the shooter, but with a long criminal record

    • Replies: @DFH
    Maybe he was just both crazy and dumb
  68. @anon
    And now, the clownish Florida style prelude is over, and the real pre-election terror campaign started. As in every self respecting third world country, the more blood on the streets, the more democracy.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056207874370756608

    And the perpetrator is the real deal, fully woke alt-righter. Let's hope he was Unz.com reader, Ron can always use more free publicity.

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1056223326673219589

    Buy guns and ammo!

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056225963539906561

    Well it didn’t seem much in Western media, but just more than a week ago a student killed 20 students and staff in his college in Crimea (probably imitating American style shooting).

    There is not really much pattern or logic, in this branch of crazy. If aren’t dodging bullets in Florida or Colorado, it can happen even going to school in Crimea nowadays.

  69. @anon
    And now, the clownish Florida style prelude is over, and the real pre-election terror campaign started. As in every self respecting third world country, the more blood on the streets, the more democracy.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056207874370756608

    And the perpetrator is the real deal, fully woke alt-righter. Let's hope he was Unz.com reader, Ron can always use more free publicity.

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1056223326673219589

    Buy guns and ammo!

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056225963539906561

    i’ve been expecting a reaction to the media’s censorship campaign but i was expecting the target to be the media itself.

  70. Apparently about 30% of Kiev has been without hot water for 6 months now?

    I wonder how this compares to Donetsk.

    • Replies: @AP

    Apparently about 30% of Kiev has been without hot water for 6 months now?
    I wonder how this compares to Donetsk.
     
    It compares well with Russia in 2013.

    From RT:

    https://www.rt.com/news/russia-city-utilities-hot-water-indoor-plumbing-251/

    Tens of millions of Russians living in urban areas are struggling with a lack of basic utilities - 1 in 5 city dwellings have no hot water, and 1 in 10 no indoor sanitation. More than 70 percent of the country’s utilities network is worn out.

    A comprehensive report by the Russian Union of Engineers (RUE) studied the 164 biggest cities in the country, and came to the conclusion that while new amenities are being introduced, old ones are not being replaced sufficiently quickly. The information was published on the same date as a separate report from the Emergencies Ministry, saying 60 percent of Russians are living at high personal risk, largely due to man-made factors.

    Urban areas still have better amenities than the country as a whole. Russia’s Federal Statistics Service reported last year that more than a third of all Russians have no hot water and more than a fifth have no running water at all in their homes. The same study showed that less than 1 percent of all water flowing out of Russian taps and faucets complies with international safety standards.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Hot water was supposed to have been restored last week.
  71. @Brabantian
    4chan /pol/ and another site are on the case of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting today ... Bowers had been denouncing Trump for being too Jewish-favouring

    But: 10 days ago, Bowers had re-posted a message from anti-Jewish US politician Patrick Little, who warned, "I expect a very large false flag attack as one of the final desperate attempts by the jewish international oligarchy to maintain power in the face of collapsing public trust in (((the media)))"

    So the claim is that this guy tweeted about Jewish run false-flags, and then somehow a few days later, decided to be a synagogue shooter?

    Or did they pick this 'Robert Bowers' to be the patsy for killing, enjoying satanic irony in that he himself had just tweeted about expecting a Jewish-run false flag?

    Culturally interesting in that the synagogue massacre stopped the circumcision mutilation of a Jewish baby boy that was scheduled ... circumcision is a barbarism needing to be outlawed everywhere

    Had known about 4chan /pol/ with many Unz readers, but hadn't before seen Kiwi Farms on this kind of material, a site about eccentric internet communities in general, but with a special section devoted to mass shooting situations, and archiving material before it disappears. It quickly set up a Robert Bowers thread, pointing out, e.g., that there are two Robert Bowers in Pennsylvania, one not the shooter, but with a long criminal record

    Maybe he was just both crazy and dumb

  72. @Thorfinnsson
    Tesla short thesis is unchanged. Tesla went to extreme lengths to make their Q3 numbers. For instance they sold their entire loaner fleet. What a capital idea!

    I do respect Polish Perspective however, and unlike the total fool Bliss I have no doubt he put his money where his mouth is.

    On a different note my five year old Samsung Galaxy Note 3 failed. I ordered a Blackberry Key One to replace it. Greatly enjoying asserting my superiority over touch keyboard peasants through physical keyboard dominance.

    Key one has lag key two is better.

  73. @Jon0815
    Apparently about 30% of Kiev has been without hot water for 6 months now?

    I wonder how this compares to Donetsk.

    Apparently about 30% of Kiev has been without hot water for 6 months now?
    I wonder how this compares to Donetsk.

    It compares well with Russia in 2013.

    From RT:

    https://www.rt.com/news/russia-city-utilities-hot-water-indoor-plumbing-251/

    Tens of millions of Russians living in urban areas are struggling with a lack of basic utilities – 1 in 5 city dwellings have no hot water, and 1 in 10 no indoor sanitation. More than 70 percent of the country’s utilities network is worn out.

    A comprehensive report by the Russian Union of Engineers (RUE) studied the 164 biggest cities in the country, and came to the conclusion that while new amenities are being introduced, old ones are not being replaced sufficiently quickly. The information was published on the same date as a separate report from the Emergencies Ministry, saying 60 percent of Russians are living at high personal risk, largely due to man-made factors.

    Urban areas still have better amenities than the country as a whole. Russia’s Federal Statistics Service reported last year that more than a third of all Russians have no hot water and more than a fifth have no running water at all in their homes. The same study showed that less than 1 percent of all water flowing out of Russian taps and faucets complies with international safety standards.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Hot water was supposed to have been restored last week.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Tens of millions of Russians living in urban areas are struggling with a lack of basic utilities – 1 in 5 city dwellings have no hot water, and 1 in 10 no indoor sanitation.
     
    Of which probably half are in the depopulated cities of the Far North, for lack of tenants, while the other half are dacha settlements within urban borders.

    Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1055373281283530753
  74. @anon
    And now, the clownish Florida style prelude is over, and the real pre-election terror campaign started. As in every self respecting third world country, the more blood on the streets, the more democracy.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056207874370756608

    And the perpetrator is the real deal, fully woke alt-righter. Let's hope he was Unz.com reader, Ron can always use more free publicity.

    https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1056223326673219589

    Buy guns and ammo!

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1056225963539906561

    Was he wrong?

    • Replies: @notanon
    i'd say Trump is (was?) a 1970s era liberal New York republican who's being pushed right by a poisonous media
  75. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nznz
    Base on historical evidence, I believe there is some validity to the idea that the vast majority of people are innately bisexual, and that people can become heterosexual because of cultural taboos, else you would not have a thing like prison sex or man love Thursdays.

    What are “man love Thursdays”? I’ve never heard of it before.

    Incidentally, there is a popular Alt-Right Tweeter named “Bronze Age Pervert” (BAP) who promotes homoerotic memes and images on the Alt-Right, although generally with irony and humor in order to maintain plausible deniability. On Thursdays on his Twitter feed, which he calls “Handsome Thursdays”, he Tweets a lot of semi-nude pictures of male models. I wonder if this is connected to “man love Thursdays”. He would not use a term like “man love Thursdays” because that would be too obvious and strong.

  76. Estonian Metropolitan (who is under Constantinople) supports Constantinople:

    It should be noted that his is the Church of ethnic Estonians who are Orthodox; most Orthodox in Estonia, ethnic Russians, are under Moscow.

    https://orthodoxie.com/en/reflection-by-metropolitan-stephanos-of-tallinn-and-all-estonia-on-the-ukraine/

  77. @AP

    Apparently about 30% of Kiev has been without hot water for 6 months now?
    I wonder how this compares to Donetsk.
     
    It compares well with Russia in 2013.

    From RT:

    https://www.rt.com/news/russia-city-utilities-hot-water-indoor-plumbing-251/

    Tens of millions of Russians living in urban areas are struggling with a lack of basic utilities - 1 in 5 city dwellings have no hot water, and 1 in 10 no indoor sanitation. More than 70 percent of the country’s utilities network is worn out.

    A comprehensive report by the Russian Union of Engineers (RUE) studied the 164 biggest cities in the country, and came to the conclusion that while new amenities are being introduced, old ones are not being replaced sufficiently quickly. The information was published on the same date as a separate report from the Emergencies Ministry, saying 60 percent of Russians are living at high personal risk, largely due to man-made factors.

    Urban areas still have better amenities than the country as a whole. Russia’s Federal Statistics Service reported last year that more than a third of all Russians have no hot water and more than a fifth have no running water at all in their homes. The same study showed that less than 1 percent of all water flowing out of Russian taps and faucets complies with international safety standards.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Hot water was supposed to have been restored last week.

    Tens of millions of Russians living in urban areas are struggling with a lack of basic utilities – 1 in 5 city dwellings have no hot water, and 1 in 10 no indoor sanitation.

    Of which probably half are in the depopulated cities of the Far North, for lack of tenants, while the other half are dacha settlements within urban borders.

    Meanwhile…

    • Replies: @Talha
    Well this might be a strategy to voluntarily get immigrant Muslims from places like Somalia and North Africa to leave. I assume Europeans can deal with the cold fairly well (I know my wife can handle the cold way better than I can, vice versa with the heat - I start breaking out the thermal leggings once it starts getting to around 50 F); just shut down heating across the board during the winter and those guys will leave by themselves. You just have to wait them out; one winter is probably all it takes.

    Peace.
    , @AP
    On that thread other people in Kiev were saying that they had heating. My own relatives there do.

    From the thread:

    https://twitter.com/DevinAckles/status/1055418670040735744.

    "If I threw some water on my radiators, I'd have some pretty good sauna action. I have had to open all of my windows the past 2 days because its too hot in my apartment. Central Kyiv."

  78. @Anatoly Karlin

    Tens of millions of Russians living in urban areas are struggling with a lack of basic utilities – 1 in 5 city dwellings have no hot water, and 1 in 10 no indoor sanitation.
     
    Of which probably half are in the depopulated cities of the Far North, for lack of tenants, while the other half are dacha settlements within urban borders.

    Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1055373281283530753

    Well this might be a strategy to voluntarily get immigrant Muslims from places like Somalia and North Africa to leave. I assume Europeans can deal with the cold fairly well (I know my wife can handle the cold way better than I can, vice versa with the heat – I start breaking out the thermal leggings once it starts getting to around 50 F); just shut down heating across the board during the winter and those guys will leave by themselves. You just have to wait them out; one winter is probably all it takes.

    Peace.

  79. I assume Europeans can deal with the cold fairly well (I know my wife can handle the cold way better than I can, vice versa with the heat

    I assume your wife, is not from the Soviet Union.

    People manage with external cold, but normal city people are accustomed to very good internal (inside building) warmth. This is a result of very intelligently developed (and actually efficient) heating infrastructure that was engineered in cities in the Soviet countries, is often recycling heat from power stations, and is ahead of many Western countries (well, was ahead – if we talk about current situation in Ukraine).

    • Replies: @Talha
    No, her background is Swedish. She does way better than her mom though. When we were visiting Egypt, her mom basically holed up in her room with the AC turned to 60-65. Felt like a freezer to walk in there from the outside.

    But I was talking about the European countries that want to get rid of their immigrants from hot climates.

    Peace.
  80. @Mr. Hack
    I've looked over his 'resurrected' blog and it indicates that his three year hiatus has not helped him resolve his self deprecating, Ukrainaphobic behavior. But because he's your typical Little Russian malcontent, a strong adept of Karlin's 'Triune theory', Karlin feels an affinity for him and is plugging his unimaginative blog. Too bad that you're not an ethnic 'Triunist', Mickey, otherwise Karlin might plug your blog too (instead of leaving this fruitless task solely up to yourself). I've got a suggestion for you: why don't you start commenting at Tomicek's blog, and maybe he'll reciprocate and start commenting at yours too? That way you'll both start averaging about 1 comment per thread, instead of the current average that's closer to -0-, for both of you? :-)
    -

    These inaccurately dull comments from you have already been debunked. Goble’s blog doesn’t get any comments. That doesn’t stop him from getting picked up at JRL and being referenced at RFE/RL. Not that such makes him superior. There’s a good deal of phony, crony baloney activity when it comes to what does and doesn’t get propped, to go along with some permeating cultural and geopolitical biases. BTW, JRL doesn’t have many posted comments.

    The person who you’ve a hard on for has been on the BBC a couple of times, in addition to having been academically referenced and regularly interacting with key academics. Meantime, your activity is comparatively pathetic as an anonymous crank.

    FYI, I believe that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus descend from Rus in a way that Poland and others don’t – adding that there’s a very good basis for the 3 Rus related countries to be on close, friendly terms.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I don't know, Mickey. Paul Goble aside, I still think that both you and the goofy Insomniac get zero commentators at your respective blogs because of your poor writing styles and inability to break out of your intrinsically Ukrainaphobic points of view. People can see right through the fluff. In your case, being the next in line to inherit Deniken's or Skoropadsky's mantle to some imaginary throne, I can see why you pitch the pro-Kremlin line. But Insomniac? He's just a toady bugger who just has spent too many of his brain cells on his self destructive cannabis habit - his Ukrainaphobia is just plain disgusting! :-(
  81. @AP
    The French Metropolitan strongly supports Constantinople:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/orthodox/constantinople_patriarchy/73177/

    Metropolitan Emmanuel expresses his regret that the Moscow Patriarchate is fiercely opposing the process of granting autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, tries to weaken by way of threats and attacks the communion ties that unite all Autocephalous Orthodox Churches between themselves.

    Metropolitan responded to the call of the Russian Orthodox Church to convene the Pan-Orthodox Council to discuss the issue of Ukrainian autocephaly:

    “The Moscow Church uses its influence in order to exert pressure on other Orthodox Churches, calling them to convene the Pan-Orthodox assembly. It should be noted, however, that the Russian Church refused to take part in the Holy and Great Council of the Orthodox Church in June 2016 in Crete. It was about one of the most important Orthodox events in modern history. I regret the manifestation of such opportunism on the part of the Moscow Patriarchate, which seeks to use All-Orthodox meetings to place their own accents. In addition, it should be understood that the provision of autocephaly does not constitute a matter for the agenda at the Pan-Orthodox Council, this issue is solely within the competence of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, as the Mother Church, which grants independence to the Orthodox Ukrainian ecclesiastical body. This is a lesson in history. The Ecumenical Patriarchate is the source of autocephaly of all the local Orthodox Churches, with the exception of the ancient Patriarchs founded in the first millennium, and with the exception of the Cyprus Church.”

    :::::::::::::::

    Overall, whatever the underlying motives of Constantinople, its decision is the only one that actually brings millions of believers back to Orthodoxy. The Opposition to this move seems to be motivated by Russian nationalism and the Russian Church's allies have such Russian connections (Antioch is based in Syria, whose Christians were saved by Russia, Serbia is a Russian ally, etc.).

    Oh yeah!?

    Overall, whatever the underlying motives of Constantinople, its decision is the only one that actually brings millions of believers back to Orthodoxy. The Opposition to this move seems to be motivated by Russian nationalism and the Russian Church’s allies have such Russian connections (Antioch is based in Syria, whose Christians were saved by Russia, Serbia is a Russian ally, etc.).

    Svido nationalism is motivating the move running directly opposite to it. Despite Kiev regime pressure, the established UOC doesn’t look like it’s going to whither away anytime soon, on account of a noticeably number in Ukraine not having svido views.

  82. @AP

    The Antiochian Patriarchate, which has jurisdiction over my own Greek orthodox community, has come clean and in support of the canonical Ukrainian church and Moscow.
     
    Given that Russia saved Syria's Christians, this is not at all surprising. Although Constantinople's actions make all the Ukrainian churches canonical.

    At least one of the Moscow Church's Metropolitans in Ukraine is planning to go over to the new united Church:

    https://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/confessional/orthodox_relations/73185/

    The background is that the previous head of the UOC - Moscow, Volodymyr Sabodan, was a crypto-nationalist who was trying to slowly make this Church more Ukrainian, and there were rumors by Ukrainian patriots within that Church that his illness was made worse by the previous regime so that a more pro-Moscow figure could replace him. He died before his plans could come to fruition.

    After his death in early 2014, his supporters were purged from important positions and replaced by more pro-Moscow figures. So ironically as Ukraine's society became more patriotic/nationalistic, the UOC - Moscow moved in the opposite direction and became more hardline-Russian.

    Many of Sabodan's people such as the Metropolitan interviewed in the link above will now have a canonical way out of the Moscow Church and will take it. This will reduce the Moscow Church to a much more Russian, and much smaller, entity in Ukraine, squatting in some important buildings.

    Rehashed svido wishful thinking:

    Many of Sabodan’s people such as the Metropolitan interviewed in the link above will now have a canonical way out of the Moscow Church and will take it. This will reduce the Moscow Church to a much more Russian, and much smaller, entity in Ukraine, squatting in some important buildings.

    A recent poll in Ukraine, referenced by Insomniac Resurrected indicates differently.

    • Replies: @AP
    We have someone dumb enough to believe such things.

    From September 2018:

    In Ukraine, 45.2% of Orthodox Christians affiliate themselves with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyiv Patriarchate. This is evidenced by the results of a survey conducted in late August – early September jointly by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, the Razumkov Center and SOCIS, according to Gordonua.com.

    16.9% of respondents who identified themselves as Orthodox regcognized themselves as adherents of the UOC-Moscow Patriarchate. 2.1% of those polled admitted affiliation with the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.

    33.9% of the participants of the study chose the answer “I'm simply Orthodox, I do not affiliate with any denomination.”

    :::::::::::::

    About 1/3 of the Moscow Church's believers support reunification under current conditions. The loss of that 1/3 means the Moscow Church will be down to about 11% of Orthodox believers or under 10% of the Ukrainian population. A marginalized, small Church squatting (for how long?) in Kiev's cultural treasures, whose believers are down to Russian nationalist dead-enders, ethnic Russians mostly in places like Kharkiv or Odesa, and Crimeans. Maybe the Church should just move its HQ to some nice place in Crimea?

  83. @Dmitry

    I assume Europeans can deal with the cold fairly well (I know my wife can handle the cold way better than I can, vice versa with the heat
     
    I assume your wife, is not from the Soviet Union.

    People manage with external cold, but normal city people are accustomed to very good internal (inside building) warmth. This is a result of very intelligently developed (and actually efficient) heating infrastructure that was engineered in cities in the Soviet countries, is often recycling heat from power stations, and is ahead of many Western countries (well, was ahead - if we talk about current situation in Ukraine).

    No, her background is Swedish. She does way better than her mom though. When we were visiting Egypt, her mom basically holed up in her room with the AC turned to 60-65. Felt like a freezer to walk in there from the outside.

    But I was talking about the European countries that want to get rid of their immigrants from hot climates.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    In general, it's a sign of weakness to be effected too much by temperatures. But it's nonetheless, also a sign of how far Ukraine's infrastructure has fallen. Anyone in 2018, should deserve a warm apartment. Soviet engineers were pretty competent for creating certain kinds of infrastructure (modern Ukraine, would not likely be able to construct Kiev metro either).
  84. @Anatoly Karlin

    Tens of millions of Russians living in urban areas are struggling with a lack of basic utilities – 1 in 5 city dwellings have no hot water, and 1 in 10 no indoor sanitation.
     
    Of which probably half are in the depopulated cities of the Far North, for lack of tenants, while the other half are dacha settlements within urban borders.

    Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1055373281283530753

    On that thread other people in Kiev were saying that they had heating. My own relatives there do.

    From the thread:

    https://twitter.com/DevinAckles/status/1055418670040735744.

    “If I threw some water on my radiators, I’d have some pretty good sauna action. I have had to open all of my windows the past 2 days because its too hot in my apartment. Central Kyiv.”

  85. @Mikhail
    Rehashed svido wishful thinking:

    Many of Sabodan’s people such as the Metropolitan interviewed in the link above will now have a canonical way out of the Moscow Church and will take it. This will reduce the Moscow Church to a much more Russian, and much smaller, entity in Ukraine, squatting in some important buildings.
     
    A recent poll in Ukraine, referenced by Insomniac Resurrected indicates differently.

    We have someone dumb enough to believe such things.

    From September 2018:

    In Ukraine, 45.2% of Orthodox Christians affiliate themselves with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyiv Patriarchate. This is evidenced by the results of a survey conducted in late August – early September jointly by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, the Razumkov Center and SOCIS, according to Gordonua.com.

    16.9% of respondents who identified themselves as Orthodox regcognized themselves as adherents of the UOC-Moscow Patriarchate. 2.1% of those polled admitted affiliation with the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.

    33.9% of the participants of the study chose the answer “I’m simply Orthodox, I do not affiliate with any denomination.”

    :::::::::::::

    About 1/3 of the Moscow Church’s believers support reunification under current conditions. The loss of that 1/3 means the Moscow Church will be down to about 11% of Orthodox believers or under 10% of the Ukrainian population. A marginalized, small Church squatting (for how long?) in Kiev’s cultural treasures, whose believers are down to Russian nationalist dead-enders, ethnic Russians mostly in places like Kharkiv or Odesa, and Crimeans. Maybe the Church should just move its HQ to some nice place in Crimea?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    More wishful thinking on your part. The established UOC is already quite independent from the ROC-MP, with the former making its own decisions - as is true of the MP affiliated ROCOR.

    It's called the UOC in recognition of its Ukrainian base - never minding (that contrary to what you restate) consists of numerous folks of a Ukrainian and Russo-Ukrainian backgrounds, who don't seek a complete break with the MP, while understandably not being fond of the Kiev regime interfering in church matters to support the wishes of the shady Filaret and the minority UGCC, which isn't Orthodox Christian.
  86. So what is svidomy? Googling isn’t helping.

  87. @Mikhail
    These inaccurately dull comments from you have already been debunked. Goble's blog doesn't get any comments. That doesn't stop him from getting picked up at JRL and being referenced at RFE/RL. Not that such makes him superior. There's a good deal of phony, crony baloney activity when it comes to what does and doesn't get propped, to go along with some permeating cultural and geopolitical biases. BTW, JRL doesn't have many posted comments.

    The person who you've a hard on for has been on the BBC a couple of times, in addition to having been academically referenced and regularly interacting with key academics. Meantime, your activity is comparatively pathetic as an anonymous crank.

    FYI, I believe that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus descend from Rus in a way that Poland and others don't - adding that there's a very good basis for the 3 Rus related countries to be on close, friendly terms.

    I don’t know, Mickey. Paul Goble aside, I still think that both you and the goofy Insomniac get zero commentators at your respective blogs because of your poor writing styles and inability to break out of your intrinsically Ukrainaphobic points of view. People can see right through the fluff. In your case, being the next in line to inherit Deniken’s or Skoropadsky’s mantle to some imaginary throne, I can see why you pitch the pro-Kremlin line. But Insomniac? He’s just a toady bugger who just has spent too many of his brain cells on his self destructive cannabis habit – his Ukrainaphobia is just plain disgusting! 🙁

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments. He returned, I think, less than two weeks ago - of course it will take some time to regain an audience.
    , @Mikhail

    I don’t know, Mickey.
     
    That's right - you don't know much on a good deal that you comment on.

    Nothing especially poor about my writing. In contrast, your writing, knowledge and intellect are clearly not superior to yours truly.

    In any event, most of the Eurasia Review posted articles at issue initially appeared elsewhere - primarily at the Strategic Culture Foundation, Global Research and Counterpunch.

    I can see why svidos don't like my input. Roman Serbyn (who might very well be the relatively well known person having that name) is a case in point:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/23032017-reexamining-russias-past-analysis/#comments

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/07032017-obsessing-over-russia-comparing-diplomats-and-historical-narratives-analysis/#comments

    The likes of Serbyn are definitely more anti-Russian than the false claim that I'm anti-Ukrainian. More accurately put, I'm against anti-Russian propaganda - something that unites me with numerous Ukrainians and others.

    An example of debunking anti-Russian propaganda regarding Crimea:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/07092018-consistency-and-reality-lacking-on-crimea-analysis/

    My refuting of Doug Bandow and Andreas Umland is considerably more academic than your sleazy approach at attacking those whose views you don't like.

  88. @Mitleser
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqiCAOWWsAAvaYA.jpg

    Was he wrong?

    i’d say Trump is (was?) a 1970s era liberal New York republican who’s being pushed right by a poisonous media

  89. @AP
    We have someone dumb enough to believe such things.

    From September 2018:

    In Ukraine, 45.2% of Orthodox Christians affiliate themselves with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyiv Patriarchate. This is evidenced by the results of a survey conducted in late August – early September jointly by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, the Razumkov Center and SOCIS, according to Gordonua.com.

    16.9% of respondents who identified themselves as Orthodox regcognized themselves as adherents of the UOC-Moscow Patriarchate. 2.1% of those polled admitted affiliation with the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.

    33.9% of the participants of the study chose the answer “I'm simply Orthodox, I do not affiliate with any denomination.”

    :::::::::::::

    About 1/3 of the Moscow Church's believers support reunification under current conditions. The loss of that 1/3 means the Moscow Church will be down to about 11% of Orthodox believers or under 10% of the Ukrainian population. A marginalized, small Church squatting (for how long?) in Kiev's cultural treasures, whose believers are down to Russian nationalist dead-enders, ethnic Russians mostly in places like Kharkiv or Odesa, and Crimeans. Maybe the Church should just move its HQ to some nice place in Crimea?

    More wishful thinking on your part. The established UOC is already quite independent from the ROC-MP, with the former making its own decisions – as is true of the MP affiliated ROCOR.

    It’s called the UOC in recognition of its Ukrainian base – never minding (that contrary to what you restate) consists of numerous folks of a Ukrainian and Russo-Ukrainian backgrounds, who don’t seek a complete break with the MP, while understandably not being fond of the Kiev regime interfering in church matters to support the wishes of the shady Filaret and the minority UGCC, which isn’t Orthodox Christian.

    • Replies: @AP

    The established UOC is already quite independent from the ROC-MP, with the former making its own decisions
     
    It's as independent as Poland was in 1975. 2/3 of its people left, it is largely down to the Russians. The exodus of remaining Ukrainians will make it a fully Russian Church within Ukraine. Ukraine is about 15% ethnic Russians - this will be their Church. And not even for all of them.

    Crimea remains within that Church just to make sure it is a de facto Russian Church.
  90. @Mr. Hack
    I don't know, Mickey. Paul Goble aside, I still think that both you and the goofy Insomniac get zero commentators at your respective blogs because of your poor writing styles and inability to break out of your intrinsically Ukrainaphobic points of view. People can see right through the fluff. In your case, being the next in line to inherit Deniken's or Skoropadsky's mantle to some imaginary throne, I can see why you pitch the pro-Kremlin line. But Insomniac? He's just a toady bugger who just has spent too many of his brain cells on his self destructive cannabis habit - his Ukrainaphobia is just plain disgusting! :-(

    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments. He returned, I think, less than two weeks ago – of course it will take some time to regain an audience.

    • Replies: @AP

    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments.
     
    IIRC it was largely Mr. Hack making fun of him (I didn't go there often so I could be wrong). Again, he mostly just reads pro-Russian stuff from within Ukraine (yes, it exists -Ukraine is not North Korea as some Russians erroneously believe) and repeats it. Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It's like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it.

    But he's not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I'll give him that.
    , @Mr. Hack
    95% of the comments made to his blog were made by both Averko and myself. The other 5% were composed by some poor bystanders who happened to stumble there by accident or even by a bored AP looking for some extracurriculars. I don't plan to return, as they say:

    'been there, seen it, done it all before'
     
    The day he quit blogging was one of great jubilee for me! :-)
  91. @Mr. Hack
    I don't know, Mickey. Paul Goble aside, I still think that both you and the goofy Insomniac get zero commentators at your respective blogs because of your poor writing styles and inability to break out of your intrinsically Ukrainaphobic points of view. People can see right through the fluff. In your case, being the next in line to inherit Deniken's or Skoropadsky's mantle to some imaginary throne, I can see why you pitch the pro-Kremlin line. But Insomniac? He's just a toady bugger who just has spent too many of his brain cells on his self destructive cannabis habit - his Ukrainaphobia is just plain disgusting! :-(

    I don’t know, Mickey.

    That’s right – you don’t know much on a good deal that you comment on.

    Nothing especially poor about my writing. In contrast, your writing, knowledge and intellect are clearly not superior to yours truly.

    In any event, most of the Eurasia Review posted articles at issue initially appeared elsewhere – primarily at the Strategic Culture Foundation, Global Research and Counterpunch.

    I can see why svidos don’t like my input. Roman Serbyn (who might very well be the relatively well known person having that name) is a case in point:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/23032017-reexamining-russias-past-analysis/#comments

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/07032017-obsessing-over-russia-comparing-diplomats-and-historical-narratives-analysis/#comments

    The likes of Serbyn are definitely more anti-Russian than the false claim that I’m anti-Ukrainian. More accurately put, I’m against anti-Russian propaganda – something that unites me with numerous Ukrainians and others.

    An example of debunking anti-Russian propaganda regarding Crimea:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/07092018-consistency-and-reality-lacking-on-crimea-analysis/

    My refuting of Doug Bandow and Andreas Umland is considerably more academic than your sleazy approach at attacking those whose views you don’t like.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    Mickey, your problem (and Insomniac's too) is that you haven't learned to write for your reading public. I mean really, just because you've read a few books about Russian history and remember Grandpa's fireside chats with a few of his Russian svidomy friends about the great crusade that Deniken led, doesn't really qualify you to be an interesting blogger on all things Russian. And having an interest in Soviet hockey legacy, although an admirable sideline, doesn't really add much to your veneer as an all around well versed guy. Spend a few years (at least) living in Russia, like Karlin or Kovpak, and then write your blog. BTW, what's holding you back from doing such a thing? You're single with no family obligations, a man of means (no visible source of income), and yet you piddle away your whole life in New York city? An extended time in Russia would also help you master the Russian language, something I know that has caused you considerable obstacles in the past. Do it while you still can, Mickey - New York will still be there when you return...
  92. @Thorfinnsson
    What's your point Rosie?

    What’s your point Rosie?

    I’m sick and tired of hearing how it’s all White women voters’ fault, when it’s a problem with unmarried voters, if anything.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That statistic is irrelevant when marriage has been declining for decades, due to the decline in men's status relative to women and consequent decline in male marriageability:

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/tucker-carlson-warns-of-something-ominous-happening-to-men-in-america-men-seem-to-be-becoming-less-male.html

    These problems are complex, and they start young. Relative to girls, boys are failing in school. More girls than boys graduate high school. Considerably more go to and graduate from college. Boys account for the overwhelming majority of school discipline cases. One study found that fully one in five high school boys had been diagnosed with hyperactivity disorder, compared with just one in 11 girls. Many were medicated for it. The long-term health effects of those medications aren’t fully understood, but they appear to include depression in later life.

    Women decisively outnumber men in graduate school. They earn the majority of doctoral degrees. They are now the majority of new enrollees in both law and medical schools.

    For men, the consequences of failing in school are profound. Between 1979-2010, working-age men with only high school degrees saw their real hourly wages drop about 20 percent. Over the same period, high school educated women saw their wages rise. The decline of the industrial economy disproportionately hurt men.

    There are now 7 million working-age American men who are no longer in the labor force. They’ve dropped out. Nearly half of them take pain medication on any given day. That’s the highest rate in the world by far.

    Far fewer young men get married than did just a few decades ago, and fewer stay married. About one in five American children live with only their mothers. That’s double the rate in 1970. Millions more boys are growing up without fathers. Young adult men are now more likely to live with a parent than with a spouse or partner. That is not the case for young women. Single women buy their own homes at more than twice the rate of single men. More women than men now have drivers licenses.

    Whenever gender differences come up in public debate, the so-called wage gap dominates the conversation. A woman makes 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That’s the statistic you’ll hear a lot. It’s repeated everywhere. But that number compares all American men to all American women across all professions. No legitimate social scientist would consider that a valid or meaningful measure. The number is both meaningless and intentionally misleading. It’s a talking point.

    Once you compare men and women with similar experience working the same hours in similar jobs for the same period of time — and that’s the only way you can measure it — the gap all but disappears. In fact, it may invert. One study using census data found that single women in their 20s living in metropolitan areas now earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts. By the way, the majority of managers are now women. Women on average are scoring higher on IQ tests than men are.
     
  93. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    What’s your point Rosie?
     
    I'm sick and tired of hearing how it's all White women voters' fault, when it's a problem with unmarried voters, if anything.

    That statistic is irrelevant when marriage has been declining for decades, due to the decline in men’s status relative to women and consequent decline in male marriageability:

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/tucker-carlson-warns-of-something-ominous-happening-to-men-in-america-men-seem-to-be-becoming-less-male.html

    These problems are complex, and they start young. Relative to girls, boys are failing in school. More girls than boys graduate high school. Considerably more go to and graduate from college. Boys account for the overwhelming majority of school discipline cases. One study found that fully one in five high school boys had been diagnosed with hyperactivity disorder, compared with just one in 11 girls. Many were medicated for it. The long-term health effects of those medications aren’t fully understood, but they appear to include depression in later life.

    Women decisively outnumber men in graduate school. They earn the majority of doctoral degrees. They are now the majority of new enrollees in both law and medical schools.

    For men, the consequences of failing in school are profound. Between 1979-2010, working-age men with only high school degrees saw their real hourly wages drop about 20 percent. Over the same period, high school educated women saw their wages rise. The decline of the industrial economy disproportionately hurt men.

    There are now 7 million working-age American men who are no longer in the labor force. They’ve dropped out. Nearly half of them take pain medication on any given day. That’s the highest rate in the world by far.

    Far fewer young men get married than did just a few decades ago, and fewer stay married. About one in five American children live with only their mothers. That’s double the rate in 1970. Millions more boys are growing up without fathers. Young adult men are now more likely to live with a parent than with a spouse or partner. That is not the case for young women. Single women buy their own homes at more than twice the rate of single men. More women than men now have drivers licenses.

    Whenever gender differences come up in public debate, the so-called wage gap dominates the conversation. A woman makes 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That’s the statistic you’ll hear a lot. It’s repeated everywhere. But that number compares all American men to all American women across all professions. No legitimate social scientist would consider that a valid or meaningful measure. The number is both meaningless and intentionally misleading. It’s a talking point.

    Once you compare men and women with similar experience working the same hours in similar jobs for the same period of time — and that’s the only way you can measure it — the gap all but disappears. In fact, it may invert. One study using census data found that single women in their 20s living in metropolitan areas now earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts. By the way, the majority of managers are now women. Women on average are scoring higher on IQ tests than men are.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    That statistic is irrelevant when marriage has been declining for decades, due to the decline in men’s status relative to women and consequent decline in male marriageability:
     
    Dissident Right misogyny will continue to morph as it attempts to come to grips with the data, and the data will continue to back you into a corner until you shut up and go away.

    I have now literally heard some of you freaks claim that women shouldn't be allowed in the professions because we're too stupid to compete. Now you're saying we shouldn't be allowed into the professions because we can compete. No matter what, the solution is the repression of women.
    , @notanon
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgEPoEWoAAZA5W?format=jpg

    white male 57.7%
    white female 53.4%

    difference: 4.3%
  94. @Mikhail

    I don’t know, Mickey.
     
    That's right - you don't know much on a good deal that you comment on.

    Nothing especially poor about my writing. In contrast, your writing, knowledge and intellect are clearly not superior to yours truly.

    In any event, most of the Eurasia Review posted articles at issue initially appeared elsewhere - primarily at the Strategic Culture Foundation, Global Research and Counterpunch.

    I can see why svidos don't like my input. Roman Serbyn (who might very well be the relatively well known person having that name) is a case in point:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/23032017-reexamining-russias-past-analysis/#comments

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/07032017-obsessing-over-russia-comparing-diplomats-and-historical-narratives-analysis/#comments

    The likes of Serbyn are definitely more anti-Russian than the false claim that I'm anti-Ukrainian. More accurately put, I'm against anti-Russian propaganda - something that unites me with numerous Ukrainians and others.

    An example of debunking anti-Russian propaganda regarding Crimea:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/07092018-consistency-and-reality-lacking-on-crimea-analysis/

    My refuting of Doug Bandow and Andreas Umland is considerably more academic than your sleazy approach at attacking those whose views you don't like.

    Mickey, your problem (and Insomniac’s too) is that you haven’t learned to write for your reading public. I mean really, just because you’ve read a few books about Russian history and remember Grandpa’s fireside chats with a few of his Russian svidomy friends about the great crusade that Deniken led, doesn’t really qualify you to be an interesting blogger on all things Russian. And having an interest in Soviet hockey legacy, although an admirable sideline, doesn’t really add much to your veneer as an all around well versed guy. Spend a few years (at least) living in Russia, like Karlin or Kovpak, and then write your blog. BTW, what’s holding you back from doing such a thing? You’re single with no family obligations, a man of means (no visible source of income), and yet you piddle away your whole life in New York city? An extended time in Russia would also help you master the Russian language, something I know that has caused you considerable obstacles in the past. Do it while you still can, Mickey – New York will still be there when you return…

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    You're incorrectly transferring your shortcomings to me, in addition to stating lies, as in incorrect asides - that aren't relevant to the actual issues. Vintage trolling to get off topic for sure.

    Kovpak is a censoring crank, much unlike yours truly. You remain an anonymous coward.

    The difference between you and me is that I can substantively back up my criticisms.
  95. @Mikhail
    More wishful thinking on your part. The established UOC is already quite independent from the ROC-MP, with the former making its own decisions - as is true of the MP affiliated ROCOR.

    It's called the UOC in recognition of its Ukrainian base - never minding (that contrary to what you restate) consists of numerous folks of a Ukrainian and Russo-Ukrainian backgrounds, who don't seek a complete break with the MP, while understandably not being fond of the Kiev regime interfering in church matters to support the wishes of the shady Filaret and the minority UGCC, which isn't Orthodox Christian.

    The established UOC is already quite independent from the ROC-MP, with the former making its own decisions

    It’s as independent as Poland was in 1975. 2/3 of its people left, it is largely down to the Russians. The exodus of remaining Ukrainians will make it a fully Russian Church within Ukraine. Ukraine is about 15% ethnic Russians – this will be their Church. And not even for all of them.

    Crimea remains within that Church just to make sure it is a de facto Russian Church.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    More svido wishful thinking on your part. Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened.

    Polling in the former Ukrainian USSR can be subjectively skewed. Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.

    The established UOC has yet to come close to folding, despite attempts that go back to at least Yushchenko's regime. Poroshenko took the state interference against the established UOC to a greater level.
  96. @Anatoly Karlin
    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments. He returned, I think, less than two weeks ago - of course it will take some time to regain an audience.

    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments.

    IIRC it was largely Mr. Hack making fun of him (I didn’t go there often so I could be wrong). Again, he mostly just reads pro-Russian stuff from within Ukraine (yes, it exists -Ukraine is not North Korea as some Russians erroneously believe) and repeats it. Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It’s like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it.

    But he’s not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I’ll give him that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack

    But he’s not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I’ll give him that.
     
    Insomniac wasn't, in my opinion, all that articulate either. He would often dodge the tough questions and somehow get Averko to stand in as his stooge like interlocutor. Clever perhaps...but intelligent? It was you, actually, who had some classic dialogues with [AK: Don't dox], where you compared some of his 'bigoted' anti-Ukrainian theories as being no better than somebody who would claim that no man had ever walked on the moon. His 'patois' theory of languages used in trying to condescend the Ukrainian language was pathetic...
    , @Mikhail
    On being dumb, you got us both beat.
    , @Swedish Family

    Again, he mostly just reads pro-Russian stuff from within Ukraine (yes, it exists -Ukraine is not North Korea as some Russians erroneously believe) and repeats it.
     
    Sure, but that's setting the bar too low. Here's Yasha Levine (of the eXile) writing two weeks ago, not in my view overstating the case:

    "I just got back from Ukraine and I have to say what I saw was frightening: widespread gov-funded Holocaust revisionism and denial, total impunity for neo-nazi violence against civil society, and an almost complete retreat from political life by Ukrainians."
    https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1050338821500485632

  97. @Anonymous
    That statistic is irrelevant when marriage has been declining for decades, due to the decline in men's status relative to women and consequent decline in male marriageability:

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/tucker-carlson-warns-of-something-ominous-happening-to-men-in-america-men-seem-to-be-becoming-less-male.html

    These problems are complex, and they start young. Relative to girls, boys are failing in school. More girls than boys graduate high school. Considerably more go to and graduate from college. Boys account for the overwhelming majority of school discipline cases. One study found that fully one in five high school boys had been diagnosed with hyperactivity disorder, compared with just one in 11 girls. Many were medicated for it. The long-term health effects of those medications aren’t fully understood, but they appear to include depression in later life.

    Women decisively outnumber men in graduate school. They earn the majority of doctoral degrees. They are now the majority of new enrollees in both law and medical schools.

    For men, the consequences of failing in school are profound. Between 1979-2010, working-age men with only high school degrees saw their real hourly wages drop about 20 percent. Over the same period, high school educated women saw their wages rise. The decline of the industrial economy disproportionately hurt men.

    There are now 7 million working-age American men who are no longer in the labor force. They’ve dropped out. Nearly half of them take pain medication on any given day. That’s the highest rate in the world by far.

    Far fewer young men get married than did just a few decades ago, and fewer stay married. About one in five American children live with only their mothers. That’s double the rate in 1970. Millions more boys are growing up without fathers. Young adult men are now more likely to live with a parent than with a spouse or partner. That is not the case for young women. Single women buy their own homes at more than twice the rate of single men. More women than men now have drivers licenses.

    Whenever gender differences come up in public debate, the so-called wage gap dominates the conversation. A woman makes 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That’s the statistic you’ll hear a lot. It’s repeated everywhere. But that number compares all American men to all American women across all professions. No legitimate social scientist would consider that a valid or meaningful measure. The number is both meaningless and intentionally misleading. It’s a talking point.

    Once you compare men and women with similar experience working the same hours in similar jobs for the same period of time — and that’s the only way you can measure it — the gap all but disappears. In fact, it may invert. One study using census data found that single women in their 20s living in metropolitan areas now earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts. By the way, the majority of managers are now women. Women on average are scoring higher on IQ tests than men are.
     

    That statistic is irrelevant when marriage has been declining for decades, due to the decline in men’s status relative to women and consequent decline in male marriageability:

    Dissident Right misogyny will continue to morph as it attempts to come to grips with the data, and the data will continue to back you into a corner until you shut up and go away.

    I have now literally heard some of you freaks claim that women shouldn’t be allowed in the professions because we’re too stupid to compete. Now you’re saying we shouldn’t be allowed into the professions because we can compete. No matter what, the solution is the repression of women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I just posted a link with a bunch of data that you've completely ignored. The data completely vindicates my argument. You cherry picked one piece of data without supplying any context or accompanying data.

    Here's the context: marriage rates have been collapsing and are at record lows in some wealthy countries:

    "Marriages between men and women hit lowest rate on record"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/marriages-men-women-lowest-record-heterosexual-lgbt-ons-a8232751.html

    I never said women should or shouldn't do anything. I said that there are certain social changes that result from female economic independence.
  98. @Anatoly Karlin
    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments. He returned, I think, less than two weeks ago - of course it will take some time to regain an audience.

    95% of the comments made to his blog were made by both Averko and myself. The other 5% were composed by some poor bystanders who happened to stumble there by accident or even by a bored AP looking for some extracurriculars. I don’t plan to return, as they say:

    ‘been there, seen it, done it all before

    The day he quit blogging was one of great jubilee for me! 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Once again, the number of posted comments doesn't necessarily serve as a good gauge of the quality of the given author in question.

    By the way, pseudonym "Jim Kovpak" doesn't get too many posted comments at his toilet of a blog. He's also known to block comments that substantively spank his BS. The ones that appear tend to match his idiocy.
  99. @Anonymous
    That statistic is irrelevant when marriage has been declining for decades, due to the decline in men's status relative to women and consequent decline in male marriageability:

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/tucker-carlson-warns-of-something-ominous-happening-to-men-in-america-men-seem-to-be-becoming-less-male.html

    These problems are complex, and they start young. Relative to girls, boys are failing in school. More girls than boys graduate high school. Considerably more go to and graduate from college. Boys account for the overwhelming majority of school discipline cases. One study found that fully one in five high school boys had been diagnosed with hyperactivity disorder, compared with just one in 11 girls. Many were medicated for it. The long-term health effects of those medications aren’t fully understood, but they appear to include depression in later life.

    Women decisively outnumber men in graduate school. They earn the majority of doctoral degrees. They are now the majority of new enrollees in both law and medical schools.

    For men, the consequences of failing in school are profound. Between 1979-2010, working-age men with only high school degrees saw their real hourly wages drop about 20 percent. Over the same period, high school educated women saw their wages rise. The decline of the industrial economy disproportionately hurt men.

    There are now 7 million working-age American men who are no longer in the labor force. They’ve dropped out. Nearly half of them take pain medication on any given day. That’s the highest rate in the world by far.

    Far fewer young men get married than did just a few decades ago, and fewer stay married. About one in five American children live with only their mothers. That’s double the rate in 1970. Millions more boys are growing up without fathers. Young adult men are now more likely to live with a parent than with a spouse or partner. That is not the case for young women. Single women buy their own homes at more than twice the rate of single men. More women than men now have drivers licenses.

    Whenever gender differences come up in public debate, the so-called wage gap dominates the conversation. A woman makes 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That’s the statistic you’ll hear a lot. It’s repeated everywhere. But that number compares all American men to all American women across all professions. No legitimate social scientist would consider that a valid or meaningful measure. The number is both meaningless and intentionally misleading. It’s a talking point.

    Once you compare men and women with similar experience working the same hours in similar jobs for the same period of time — and that’s the only way you can measure it — the gap all but disappears. In fact, it may invert. One study using census data found that single women in their 20s living in metropolitan areas now earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts. By the way, the majority of managers are now women. Women on average are scoring higher on IQ tests than men are.
     

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgEPoEWoAAZA5W?format=jpg

    white male 57.7%
    white female 53.4%

    difference: 4.3%

    • Replies: @notanon
    nb i agree that 4.3% are critical btw

    (and clearly so does the media)
  100. @notanon
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgEPoEWoAAZA5W?format=jpg

    white male 57.7%
    white female 53.4%

    difference: 4.3%

    nb i agree that 4.3% are critical btw

    (and clearly so does the media)

  101. @Rosie

    Anglin is usually somewhat crude,
     
    Speaking of Anglin, I wonder if he'll do an article on this poll:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgEPoEWoAAZA5W?format=jpg

    Married White women are supporting the GOP at nearly the same rate as men, and drubbing unmarried White men by 10 points. Even unmarried White women support the GOP at a higher rate than any other group, obviously including married men of all non-White racial groups.

    The smallest gender gap of all is among Whites.

    h/t McFeels

    Anglin again. You are obsessed!

    Anyhow, this is a good sign. Since women are much more conformist than men, this implies that Trumpism is becoming rapidly normalized in the US. (Women are also more economically leftist, but it’s not like Trump has moved to the left – rather the converse, if anything – so that can’t be the reason).

    Eventually it may come to pass that more women vote for Trump than men, as has long become the case in Russia wrt Putin, and is now I believe the case in Hungary wrt Orban (maybe reiner Tor can confirm).

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Anglin again. You are obsessed!
     
    Mr. Karlin, I have learned from bitter experience that the MGtards will conquer any dissident Right territory that is not vigorously defended from their pernicious influence.
  102. @AP

    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments.
     
    IIRC it was largely Mr. Hack making fun of him (I didn't go there often so I could be wrong). Again, he mostly just reads pro-Russian stuff from within Ukraine (yes, it exists -Ukraine is not North Korea as some Russians erroneously believe) and repeats it. Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It's like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it.

    But he's not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I'll give him that.

    But he’s not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I’ll give him that.

    Insomniac wasn’t, in my opinion, all that articulate either. He would often dodge the tough questions and somehow get Averko to stand in as his stooge like interlocutor. Clever perhaps…but intelligent? It was you, actually, who had some classic dialogues with [AK: Don’t dox], where you compared some of his ‘bigoted’ anti-Ukrainian theories as being no better than somebody who would claim that no man had ever walked on the moon. His ‘patois’ theory of languages used in trying to condescend the Ukrainian language was pathetic…

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Keep dreaming like a fool, as nothing of the sort actually happened.
  103. @Talha
    No, her background is Swedish. She does way better than her mom though. When we were visiting Egypt, her mom basically holed up in her room with the AC turned to 60-65. Felt like a freezer to walk in there from the outside.

    But I was talking about the European countries that want to get rid of their immigrants from hot climates.

    Peace.

    In general, it’s a sign of weakness to be effected too much by temperatures. But it’s nonetheless, also a sign of how far Ukraine’s infrastructure has fallen. Anyone in 2018, should deserve a warm apartment. Soviet engineers were pretty competent for creating certain kinds of infrastructure (modern Ukraine, would not likely be able to construct Kiev metro either).

    • Replies: @AP

    (modern Ukraine, would not likely be able to construct Kiev metro either).
     
    Nonsense.

    Kiev last built a new metro station on 2013:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Teremky_Metro_Station.jpg/1920px-Teremky_Metro_Station.jpg

    This new line is under construction:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podilsko%E2%80%93Vyhurivska_line

    This station in Kharkiv opened in 2016; it is called "Peremoha":

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/%D0%A0eremoga_-_metro_station%2C_Kharkiv.jpg/450px-%D0%A0eremoga_-_metro_station%2C_Kharkiv.jpg

    Ukraine just built an express train linking the airport to central Kiev, set to open in November:

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/540512.html

    https://images.unian.net/photos/2018_10/1540469316-6688.jpg
    , @Philip Owen
    Russian cities switch off the hot water supply for maintenance as late as October. I have had unavoidable cold showers more than once during an Autumn visit.

    I am trying to give up commenting on blogs. Addictions are tough to break.
  104. “But he’s not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I’ll give him that.”

    Insomniac wasn’t, in my opinion, all that articulate either.

    Sure, but English is probably his second if not third language.

    Clever perhaps…but intelligent?

    He doesn’t strike me as being highly intelligent but is probably smarter than the average person, though he is dumb enough to believe some nonsense (assuming he is sincere). I don’t feel like exploring his website further, my impression based on a brief excursions is that he’s analogous to a slightly bright but naive undergraduate who has filled his mind with nonsense and become a passionate libertarian or Randian or Marxist or whatever, except he does this with Russian nationalist materials with Ukrainians the focus of his ire for some reason.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Look who is talking. You aren't particularly bright.
    , @Mr. Hack

    he does this with Russian nationalist materials with Ukrainians the focus of his ire for some reason.
     
    You've summed him up quite accurately. He revealed that his mother had a 'Ukrainian surname' and that therefore she had a Ukrainian ethnicity 'stamped' on her passport. She was born in the Kherson area. All of his contempt for Ukrainians as anything more than 'Little Russians' was especially strange as he was born and bred in the Czech Republic for most of his life. It's highly improbable that anybody there cared much one way the other whether his mother was Ukrainian or Russian or whatever...
  105. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    That statistic is irrelevant when marriage has been declining for decades, due to the decline in men’s status relative to women and consequent decline in male marriageability:
     
    Dissident Right misogyny will continue to morph as it attempts to come to grips with the data, and the data will continue to back you into a corner until you shut up and go away.

    I have now literally heard some of you freaks claim that women shouldn't be allowed in the professions because we're too stupid to compete. Now you're saying we shouldn't be allowed into the professions because we can compete. No matter what, the solution is the repression of women.

    I just posted a link with a bunch of data that you’ve completely ignored. The data completely vindicates my argument. You cherry picked one piece of data without supplying any context or accompanying data.

    Here’s the context: marriage rates have been collapsing and are at record lows in some wealthy countries:

    “Marriages between men and women hit lowest rate on record”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/marriages-men-women-lowest-record-heterosexual-lgbt-ons-a8232751.html

    I never said women should or shouldn’t do anything. I said that there are certain social changes that result from female economic independence.

    • Replies: @notanon
    female economic independence isn't the *cause* of the shrinking middle class it's a side effect of the shrinking middle class
    , @Rosie

    I just posted a link with a bunch of data that you’ve completely ignored. The data completely vindicates my argument. You cherry picked one piece of data without supplying any context or accompanying data.
     
    I'll look at your data when I get a round-2-it, but I think we've already had this discussion.
  106. @Dmitry
    In general, it's a sign of weakness to be effected too much by temperatures. But it's nonetheless, also a sign of how far Ukraine's infrastructure has fallen. Anyone in 2018, should deserve a warm apartment. Soviet engineers were pretty competent for creating certain kinds of infrastructure (modern Ukraine, would not likely be able to construct Kiev metro either).

    (modern Ukraine, would not likely be able to construct Kiev metro either).

    Nonsense.

    Kiev last built a new metro station on 2013:

    This new line is under construction:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podilsko%E2%80%93Vyhurivska_line

    This station in Kharkiv opened in 2016; it is called “Peremoha”:

    Ukraine just built an express train linking the airport to central Kiev, set to open in November:

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/540512.html

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Kiev last built a new metro station on 2013...
     
    Lame. For comparison, Moscow consistently builds around a dozen new stations per year. Though even Moscow has nothing on China.

    https://i.redd.it/vjdy375yxiyy.gif

    This station in Kharkiv opened in 2016; it is called “Peremoha”:
     
    I assume the next one will be called "Zrada"?

    Ukraine just built an express train linking the airport to central Kiev, set to open in November:
     
    Moscow did that more than a decade ago.

    This would mean that Kiev is level pegging with Bucharest, which should have finished its airport rail link a few months after I left.
  107. @Anonymous
    I just posted a link with a bunch of data that you've completely ignored. The data completely vindicates my argument. You cherry picked one piece of data without supplying any context or accompanying data.

    Here's the context: marriage rates have been collapsing and are at record lows in some wealthy countries:

    "Marriages between men and women hit lowest rate on record"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/marriages-men-women-lowest-record-heterosexual-lgbt-ons-a8232751.html

    I never said women should or shouldn't do anything. I said that there are certain social changes that result from female economic independence.

    female economic independence isn’t the *cause* of the shrinking middle class it’s a side effect of the shrinking middle class

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    For millenia, until very recently, there was no middle class and no female economic independence.
  108. @AP

    (modern Ukraine, would not likely be able to construct Kiev metro either).
     
    Nonsense.

    Kiev last built a new metro station on 2013:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Teremky_Metro_Station.jpg/1920px-Teremky_Metro_Station.jpg

    This new line is under construction:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podilsko%E2%80%93Vyhurivska_line

    This station in Kharkiv opened in 2016; it is called "Peremoha":

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/%D0%A0eremoga_-_metro_station%2C_Kharkiv.jpg/450px-%D0%A0eremoga_-_metro_station%2C_Kharkiv.jpg

    Ukraine just built an express train linking the airport to central Kiev, set to open in November:

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/540512.html

    https://images.unian.net/photos/2018_10/1540469316-6688.jpg

    Kiev last built a new metro station on 2013…

    Lame. For comparison, Moscow consistently builds around a dozen new stations per year. Though even Moscow has nothing on China.

    This station in Kharkiv opened in 2016; it is called “Peremoha”:

    I assume the next one will be called “Zrada”?

    Ukraine just built an express train linking the airport to central Kiev, set to open in November:

    Moscow did that more than a decade ago.

    This would mean that Kiev is level pegging with Bucharest, which should have finished its airport rail link a few months after I left.

    • Replies: @AP
    Well, Kiev is certainly no Moscow, I was just pointing out that Ukraine is still building metro stations.

    Moscow still doesn't link Sheremetevo to downtown, though.
  109. @Anatoly Karlin

    Kiev last built a new metro station on 2013...
     
    Lame. For comparison, Moscow consistently builds around a dozen new stations per year. Though even Moscow has nothing on China.

    https://i.redd.it/vjdy375yxiyy.gif

    This station in Kharkiv opened in 2016; it is called “Peremoha”:
     
    I assume the next one will be called "Zrada"?

    Ukraine just built an express train linking the airport to central Kiev, set to open in November:
     
    Moscow did that more than a decade ago.

    This would mean that Kiev is level pegging with Bucharest, which should have finished its airport rail link a few months after I left.

    Well, Kiev is certainly no Moscow, I was just pointing out that Ukraine is still building metro stations.

    Moscow still doesn’t link Sheremetevo to downtown, though.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Kiev has a quarter of Moscow's population, so it should be opening 3 stations a year to keep pace in per capita terms. But apparently it's building one every 5 years. At first I actually thought Dmitry's comment was hyperbolic, but now I realize it's literally true!

    What do you mean there's no rail link to downtown? Aeroexpress goes from Sheremetyevo to central Moscow (Belorussky vokzal), which in turn is a short walk away from the Metro. There are rail connections to all of Moscow's airports apart from the very small Zhukovsky Airport (and even that is going to be remedied soon).
  110. @notanon
    female economic independence isn't the *cause* of the shrinking middle class it's a side effect of the shrinking middle class

    For millenia, until very recently, there was no middle class and no female economic independence.

    • Replies: @notanon
    right it's very recent so what was the precise sequence from

    1) 1950s couple with dude earning and wife looking after kids (at least when they were little) with one car and no childcare costs

    to

    3) where we are now

    was it

    2a) women decided they didn't want to focus on their kids in favor of economic independence

    or

    2b) the couple white flighted to the suburbs requiring two incomes to pay for it plus 2nd car and childcare?

    (leading to financial problems, marriage breakdowns and women wanting financial independence cos the old security was gone)

    i'm not denying the problems you describe don't exist - i'm saying the main *cause* of these problems was and is the sinking middle class (and the resulting scrambling for the lifeboats).
  111. @Anonymous
    I just posted a link with a bunch of data that you've completely ignored. The data completely vindicates my argument. You cherry picked one piece of data without supplying any context or accompanying data.

    Here's the context: marriage rates have been collapsing and are at record lows in some wealthy countries:

    "Marriages between men and women hit lowest rate on record"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/marriages-men-women-lowest-record-heterosexual-lgbt-ons-a8232751.html

    I never said women should or shouldn't do anything. I said that there are certain social changes that result from female economic independence.

    I just posted a link with a bunch of data that you’ve completely ignored. The data completely vindicates my argument. You cherry picked one piece of data without supplying any context or accompanying data.

    I’ll look at your data when I get a round-2-it, but I think we’ve already had this discussion.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    Rosie, "the Patriarchy" isn't something that was invented by men.

    "The Patriarchy" was invented by women for women's benefit.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her. In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn. But what are the women to do in this hellish world? Cats are no substitute for a real man in your bed.

    Are you a lesbian?
  112. @Anatoly Karlin
    Anglin again. You are obsessed!

    Anyhow, this is a good sign. Since women are much more conformist than men, this implies that Trumpism is becoming rapidly normalized in the US. (Women are also more economically leftist, but it's not like Trump has moved to the left - rather the converse, if anything - so that can't be the reason).

    Eventually it may come to pass that more women vote for Trump than men, as has long become the case in Russia wrt Putin, and is now I believe the case in Hungary wrt Orban (maybe reiner Tor can confirm).

    Anglin again. You are obsessed!

    Mr. Karlin, I have learned from bitter experience that the MGtards will conquer any dissident Right territory that is not vigorously defended from their pernicious influence.

  113. @AP
    Well, Kiev is certainly no Moscow, I was just pointing out that Ukraine is still building metro stations.

    Moscow still doesn't link Sheremetevo to downtown, though.

    Kiev has a quarter of Moscow’s population, so it should be opening 3 stations a year to keep pace in per capita terms. But apparently it’s building one every 5 years. At first I actually thought Dmitry’s comment was hyperbolic, but now I realize it’s literally true!

    What do you mean there’s no rail link to downtown? Aeroexpress goes from Sheremetyevo to central Moscow (Belorussky vokzal), which in turn is a short walk away from the Metro. There are rail connections to all of Moscow’s airports apart from the very small Zhukovsky Airport (and even that is going to be remedied soon).

    • Replies: @AP

    Kiev has a quarter of Moscow’s population, so it should be opening 3 stations a year to keep pace in per capita terms.
     
    As I said, Kiev is no Moscow.

    But Moscow built 14 stations in 2018, 4 in 2017, 5 in 2016, 2 in 2015, 6 in 2014, 2 in 2013. So you exaggerate the rate of new stations being built in Moscow.

    But apparently it’s building one every 5 years. At first I actually thought Dmitry’s comment was hyperbolic, but now I realize it’s literally true!
     
    It's not literally true because he claimed Ukraine is incapable of building a metro at all when it actually does so.

    What do you mean there’s no rail link to downtown? Aeroexpress goes from Sheremetyevo to central Moscow (Belorussky vokzal), which in turn is a short walk away from the Metro.
     
    You are right, but even my wife didn't hear about it (I just asked), we always take taxis or have family drive us.
  114. @Anatoly Karlin
    Kiev has a quarter of Moscow's population, so it should be opening 3 stations a year to keep pace in per capita terms. But apparently it's building one every 5 years. At first I actually thought Dmitry's comment was hyperbolic, but now I realize it's literally true!

    What do you mean there's no rail link to downtown? Aeroexpress goes from Sheremetyevo to central Moscow (Belorussky vokzal), which in turn is a short walk away from the Metro. There are rail connections to all of Moscow's airports apart from the very small Zhukovsky Airport (and even that is going to be remedied soon).

    Kiev has a quarter of Moscow’s population, so it should be opening 3 stations a year to keep pace in per capita terms.

    As I said, Kiev is no Moscow.

    But Moscow built 14 stations in 2018, 4 in 2017, 5 in 2016, 2 in 2015, 6 in 2014, 2 in 2013. So you exaggerate the rate of new stations being built in Moscow.

    But apparently it’s building one every 5 years. At first I actually thought Dmitry’s comment was hyperbolic, but now I realize it’s literally true!

    It’s not literally true because he claimed Ukraine is incapable of building a metro at all when it actually does so.

    What do you mean there’s no rail link to downtown? Aeroexpress goes from Sheremetyevo to central Moscow (Belorussky vokzal), which in turn is a short walk away from the Metro.

    You are right, but even my wife didn’t hear about it (I just asked), we always take taxis or have family drive us.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Ok, fair enough. But 10 stations per year is going to be the new normal for the next 5 years according to current plans.

    I am rather surprised you never noticed Aeroexpress, there's plenty of signs.

    Tip - don't use taxis, use Yandex Taxi (or Uber if you can't be bothered installing the other app). Taxis typically overcharge by 3x at the airport.
  115. @Anonymous
    For millenia, until very recently, there was no middle class and no female economic independence.

    right it’s very recent so what was the precise sequence from

    1) 1950s couple with dude earning and wife looking after kids (at least when they were little) with one car and no childcare costs

    to

    3) where we are now

    was it

    2a) women decided they didn’t want to focus on their kids in favor of economic independence

    or

    2b) the couple white flighted to the suburbs requiring two incomes to pay for it plus 2nd car and childcare?

    (leading to financial problems, marriage breakdowns and women wanting financial independence cos the old security was gone)

    i’m not denying the problems you describe don’t exist – i’m saying the main *cause* of these problems was and is the sinking middle class (and the resulting scrambling for the lifeboats).

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Basically I feel it was due to overall declining wages which were disguised by two-income households and later, debt. The overall consumerist culture had much to do with it too. Feminism and "empowerment" does seem to have been highly promoted as a way to gain a new cheap labor source by industries.

    http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/real-household-income1.png
    , @Anonymous
    That 1950s couple was already in the suburbs.

    The people living in cities in the 1950s in the US were the wealthy and working class ethnics, not the middle class. Broad based, American style middle class family prosperity requires suburban sprawl. The suburbs are a precondition of it.

    The white flight in the 60s and 70s was mostly working class and lower middle class white ethnics, not solidly middle class whites.
  116. @notanon
    right it's very recent so what was the precise sequence from

    1) 1950s couple with dude earning and wife looking after kids (at least when they were little) with one car and no childcare costs

    to

    3) where we are now

    was it

    2a) women decided they didn't want to focus on their kids in favor of economic independence

    or

    2b) the couple white flighted to the suburbs requiring two incomes to pay for it plus 2nd car and childcare?

    (leading to financial problems, marriage breakdowns and women wanting financial independence cos the old security was gone)

    i'm not denying the problems you describe don't exist - i'm saying the main *cause* of these problems was and is the sinking middle class (and the resulting scrambling for the lifeboats).

    Basically I feel it was due to overall declining wages which were disguised by two-income households and later, debt. The overall consumerist culture had much to do with it too. Feminism and “empowerment” does seem to have been highly promoted as a way to gain a new cheap labor source by industries.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @notanon
    Warren lays out what happened in this lecture - a massive premium on housing near "good" aka safe schools required two incomes which led to needing two cars and expensive childcare which led to financial insecurity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A

    being an SJW she left out what caused this massive flight to neighborhoods with "good schools" but the sequence is perfectly clear - the path to 1970s family breakdown was through 1960s white flight.
    , @utu
    And what was great about this new labor force it did not show up in the unemployment statistics initially and yet it existed.

    I think Aaron Russo claimed that Rockefeller told him it was a very old plan. It goes back to The Communist Manifesto at least where basically it was argued that marriage should be abolished because among other issues marriage was an institutionalized prostitution. Alexandra Kollontai took it to heart and began implementing in the USSR and sharing women within the collective was discussed. I think Stalin put stop to it perhaps because he was a nature prude as a former seminary student or he saw that society will fall apart while he needed people for spreading the revolution and fighting capitalism. If it was not for Stalin, possibly, we would have LBGQT and other nonsense in the Soviet Union already in 1930's.

    From the economic pov having women work is good because it indeed should make a country more wealthy even though it would undercut male wages, however, if the capitalists after having all women and men working (-5%) come to you and say it is not enough, we need foreign labor then it means they want to grow beyond natural limit of the county. One good answer to the capitalist then would be that if you need more production for export go ahead and open a plant abroad but you won't be able to bring the products to our country and compete with people working here but we still will tax you on the profit.
    , @iffen
    I don’t know how it could be isolated, but unrestrained female entry into the workplace would likely have exerted downward pressure on the wage scale. Even so, I think most people were (are) in favor of equity feminism.

    A restricted universal basic income would facilitate marriage and nuclear family formation. It would remove the incentives for women to remain single and produce welfare children. It would also eliminate the disincentives that are present in our current social welfare which discourage self-help and self-improvement behaviors. The allowance for children could even be tweaked to favor children from intact households. Also, by directing social welfare toward individuals exclusively, rather than having a major race component, it would eliminate the problem of people not wanting to pay for “other” groups’ welfare.
  117. @AP

    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments.
     
    IIRC it was largely Mr. Hack making fun of him (I didn't go there often so I could be wrong). Again, he mostly just reads pro-Russian stuff from within Ukraine (yes, it exists -Ukraine is not North Korea as some Russians erroneously believe) and repeats it. Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It's like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it.

    But he's not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I'll give him that.

    On being dumb, you got us both beat.

  118. @Mr. Hack
    95% of the comments made to his blog were made by both Averko and myself. The other 5% were composed by some poor bystanders who happened to stumble there by accident or even by a bored AP looking for some extracurriculars. I don't plan to return, as they say:

    'been there, seen it, done it all before'
     
    The day he quit blogging was one of great jubilee for me! :-)

    Once again, the number of posted comments doesn’t necessarily serve as a good gauge of the quality of the given author in question.

    By the way, pseudonym “Jim Kovpak” doesn’t get too many posted comments at his toilet of a blog. He’s also known to block comments that substantively spank his BS. The ones that appear tend to match his idiocy.

  119. @Mr. Hack

    But he’s not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I’ll give him that.
     
    Insomniac wasn't, in my opinion, all that articulate either. He would often dodge the tough questions and somehow get Averko to stand in as his stooge like interlocutor. Clever perhaps...but intelligent? It was you, actually, who had some classic dialogues with [AK: Don't dox], where you compared some of his 'bigoted' anti-Ukrainian theories as being no better than somebody who would claim that no man had ever walked on the moon. His 'patois' theory of languages used in trying to condescend the Ukrainian language was pathetic...

    Keep dreaming like a fool, as nothing of the sort actually happened.

  120. @AP

    "But he’s not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I’ll give him that."

    Insomniac wasn’t, in my opinion, all that articulate either.
     
    Sure, but English is probably his second if not third language.

    Clever perhaps…but intelligent?
     
    He doesn't strike me as being highly intelligent but is probably smarter than the average person, though he is dumb enough to believe some nonsense (assuming he is sincere). I don't feel like exploring his website further, my impression based on a brief excursions is that he's analogous to a slightly bright but naive undergraduate who has filled his mind with nonsense and become a passionate libertarian or Randian or Marxist or whatever, except he does this with Russian nationalist materials with Ukrainians the focus of his ire for some reason.

    Look who is talking. You aren’t particularly bright.

  121. @Mr. Hack
    Mickey, your problem (and Insomniac's too) is that you haven't learned to write for your reading public. I mean really, just because you've read a few books about Russian history and remember Grandpa's fireside chats with a few of his Russian svidomy friends about the great crusade that Deniken led, doesn't really qualify you to be an interesting blogger on all things Russian. And having an interest in Soviet hockey legacy, although an admirable sideline, doesn't really add much to your veneer as an all around well versed guy. Spend a few years (at least) living in Russia, like Karlin or Kovpak, and then write your blog. BTW, what's holding you back from doing such a thing? You're single with no family obligations, a man of means (no visible source of income), and yet you piddle away your whole life in New York city? An extended time in Russia would also help you master the Russian language, something I know that has caused you considerable obstacles in the past. Do it while you still can, Mickey - New York will still be there when you return...

    You’re incorrectly transferring your shortcomings to me, in addition to stating lies, as in incorrect asides – that aren’t relevant to the actual issues. Vintage trolling to get off topic for sure.

    Kovpak is a censoring crank, much unlike yours truly. You remain an anonymous coward.

    The difference between you and me is that I can substantively back up my criticisms.

  122. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon
    right it's very recent so what was the precise sequence from

    1) 1950s couple with dude earning and wife looking after kids (at least when they were little) with one car and no childcare costs

    to

    3) where we are now

    was it

    2a) women decided they didn't want to focus on their kids in favor of economic independence

    or

    2b) the couple white flighted to the suburbs requiring two incomes to pay for it plus 2nd car and childcare?

    (leading to financial problems, marriage breakdowns and women wanting financial independence cos the old security was gone)

    i'm not denying the problems you describe don't exist - i'm saying the main *cause* of these problems was and is the sinking middle class (and the resulting scrambling for the lifeboats).

    That 1950s couple was already in the suburbs.

    The people living in cities in the 1950s in the US were the wealthy and working class ethnics, not the middle class. Broad based, American style middle class family prosperity requires suburban sprawl. The suburbs are a precondition of it.

    The white flight in the 60s and 70s was mostly working class and lower middle class white ethnics, not solidly middle class whites.

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian

    The people living in cities in the 1950s in the US were the wealthy and working class ethnics, not the middle class. Broad based, American style middle class family prosperity requires suburban sprawl. The suburbs are a precondition of it.
     
    It's interesting that two classic Christmas movies, Miracle on 34th Street and It's a Wonderful Life, have open in-your-face propaganda of suburbs. Did the developers pay the filmmakers for advertising? Or "a suburban house is the best thing ever" was just a common sentiment of the time? Who knows. It was weird to see because now it's fashionable to bash them instead.
  123. @AP

    "But he’s not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I’ll give him that."

    Insomniac wasn’t, in my opinion, all that articulate either.
     
    Sure, but English is probably his second if not third language.

    Clever perhaps…but intelligent?
     
    He doesn't strike me as being highly intelligent but is probably smarter than the average person, though he is dumb enough to believe some nonsense (assuming he is sincere). I don't feel like exploring his website further, my impression based on a brief excursions is that he's analogous to a slightly bright but naive undergraduate who has filled his mind with nonsense and become a passionate libertarian or Randian or Marxist or whatever, except he does this with Russian nationalist materials with Ukrainians the focus of his ire for some reason.

    he does this with Russian nationalist materials with Ukrainians the focus of his ire for some reason.

    You’ve summed him up quite accurately. He revealed that his mother had a ‘Ukrainian surname’ and that therefore she had a Ukrainian ethnicity ‘stamped’ on her passport. She was born in the Kherson area. All of his contempt for Ukrainians as anything more than ‘Little Russians’ was especially strange as he was born and bred in the Czech Republic for most of his life. It’s highly improbable that anybody there cared much one way the other whether his mother was Ukrainian or Russian or whatever…

  124. @AP

    The established UOC is already quite independent from the ROC-MP, with the former making its own decisions
     
    It's as independent as Poland was in 1975. 2/3 of its people left, it is largely down to the Russians. The exodus of remaining Ukrainians will make it a fully Russian Church within Ukraine. Ukraine is about 15% ethnic Russians - this will be their Church. And not even for all of them.

    Crimea remains within that Church just to make sure it is a de facto Russian Church.

    More svido wishful thinking on your part. Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened.

    Polling in the former Ukrainian USSR can be subjectively skewed. Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.

    The established UOC has yet to come close to folding, despite attempts that go back to at least Yushchenko’s regime. Poroshenko took the state interference against the established UOC to a greater level.

    • Replies: @AP

    Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened
     
    This poll isn't about "predicted outcome" but number of supporters. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.
     
    RISU didn't do the poll, they just report news from various sources. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Setting you aside, here is a very detailed group of polls from Razumkov:

    http://razumkov.org.ua/uploads/article/2018_Religiya.pdf

    Page 8 = % of Ukrainians who trust Patriarch Kirill declined from 44% in 2010 to 15.3% in 2018.

    Page 12 - Percent of the population who consider themselves to be religious. 90.1% in Western Ukraine, 70% in the Center, 58.5% in the South, 63% in the East.

    Page 14 - percent of people who say religion is important to them. 89% in the West, 55% in the Center, 50% in the South, 40% in the East.

    Now, remember that Ukraine's West and Center are where the religious people live. Which Church to the actually religious regions belong to?

    Pg. 16 (all population)

    In the West, 29.4% Kiev, 7.0% Moscow.
    In the Center, 37.9% Kiev, 13.9% Moscow.

    Pg. 17 (among Orthodox)

    In the West, 64.1% Kiev, 15.2% Moscow.
    In the Center, 48.2% Kiev, 17.7% Moscow.

    So these are actually religious, devout people who are being saved from schism by Constantinople. Not "Atheists, but Orthodox atheists" from the East. Good that Constantinople is worried about and helping the former, and not preferring the latter.

    Increase in support for Kiev vs. Moscow over time:

    Which Orthodox Church do you belong to (pg. 17)?

    Kiev Patriarch - 22.1% in 2010, 42.6% in 2018
    UOC- Moscow - 34.5% in 2010, 19.1% in 2018
    "Just Orthodox" - 37.9% 2010, 34.8% 2018

    How do the people of Ukraine want the religious conflict to be settled?

    National Church based on the Kiev Patriarch - 26.9%
    National Church resulting from union of all Churches - 23.4%
    National Church remaining under Moscow, as it is - 9.2%
    I don't care -22.7%

    Among members of the Moscow Church

    13.5% believe a National Church should be based on the Kiev Patriarchate
    25% want an independent national Church resulting from union of all Churches
    42.3% prefer the status quo, with the national Church remaining under Moscow. Less than half!

    So, we can expect about half of Moscow's remaining members to leave and join the national Church. A little over a third are willing to leave, a little over 40% want to stay.

    More:

    Do you trust Filaret? 36.7% of UOC- MP members trust him, 36.7% don't trust him. Rather good considering he is the leader of a rival Church. Onufrey does not enjoy that level of trust among UOC-KP members.

    OT: Attitude towards Islam. Pg. 22.

    Most negative in Western Ukraine, followed by Eastern Ukraine. Something to unite both regions!

    Central Ukraine is most Islam-friendly.

    Southern Ukraine is most pro-Jewish (Odessa). Followed by Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine most anti-Jewish. So much for the myth of Galician rabid antisemites.
  125. @Daniel Chieh
    Basically I feel it was due to overall declining wages which were disguised by two-income households and later, debt. The overall consumerist culture had much to do with it too. Feminism and "empowerment" does seem to have been highly promoted as a way to gain a new cheap labor source by industries.

    http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/real-household-income1.png

    Warren lays out what happened in this lecture – a massive premium on housing near “good” aka safe schools required two incomes which led to needing two cars and expensive childcare which led to financial insecurity.

    being an SJW she left out what caused this massive flight to neighborhoods with “good schools” but the sequence is perfectly clear – the path to 1970s family breakdown was through 1960s white flight.

    • Replies: @notanon
    nb i'm not saying the consequences of this process (feminism or whatever you want to call it) aren't a problem now i'm saying they are a result of this process of financial squeezing and not the cause.
    , @Anonymous
    We went over this in a previous thread. The middle class was already in the suburbs at the time of "white flight" in the 60s and 70s. The cause of family breakdown was female economic independence. The need for more incomes, cars, childcare, etc., is an effect of female economic independence and family breakdown. When women have more options, they become more expensive to satisfy. We see this family breakdown in other wealthy countries that have had female economic independence, like in countries in Europe which have not had immigration until very recently.

    Think about it like this. What would happen if the average man suddenly became a foot shorter than the average woman? What would happen to his attractiveness to women and his marriage prospects? Do you think they would stay the same, rise, or fall? This is basically what has happened: female economic independence have figuratively made women grow taller, which necessarily means that the average man is now relatively shorter. Women do not like short men. Female economic independence has made the average man into the economic and social equivalent of a midget:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3YR1ZTonc
  126. @notanon
    Warren lays out what happened in this lecture - a massive premium on housing near "good" aka safe schools required two incomes which led to needing two cars and expensive childcare which led to financial insecurity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A

    being an SJW she left out what caused this massive flight to neighborhoods with "good schools" but the sequence is perfectly clear - the path to 1970s family breakdown was through 1960s white flight.

    nb i’m not saying the consequences of this process (feminism or whatever you want to call it) aren’t a problem now i’m saying they are a result of this process of financial squeezing and not the cause.

  127. @Daniel Chieh
    Basically I feel it was due to overall declining wages which were disguised by two-income households and later, debt. The overall consumerist culture had much to do with it too. Feminism and "empowerment" does seem to have been highly promoted as a way to gain a new cheap labor source by industries.

    http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/real-household-income1.png

    And what was great about this new labor force it did not show up in the unemployment statistics initially and yet it existed.

    I think Aaron Russo claimed that Rockefeller told him it was a very old plan. It goes back to The Communist Manifesto at least where basically it was argued that marriage should be abolished because among other issues marriage was an institutionalized prostitution. Alexandra Kollontai took it to heart and began implementing in the USSR and sharing women within the collective was discussed. I think Stalin put stop to it perhaps because he was a nature prude as a former seminary student or he saw that society will fall apart while he needed people for spreading the revolution and fighting capitalism. If it was not for Stalin, possibly, we would have LBGQT and other nonsense in the Soviet Union already in 1930’s.

    From the economic pov having women work is good because it indeed should make a country more wealthy even though it would undercut male wages, however, if the capitalists after having all women and men working (-5%) come to you and say it is not enough, we need foreign labor then it means they want to grow beyond natural limit of the county. One good answer to the capitalist then would be that if you need more production for export go ahead and open a plant abroad but you won’t be able to bring the products to our country and compete with people working here but we still will tax you on the profit.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Aaron Russo was a most interesting person.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    From the economic pov having women work is good because it indeed should make a country more wealthy even though it would undercut male wages, however, if the capitalists after having all women and men working (-5%)...
     
    Something else to consider is that by classifying the previously "shadow economy" of domestic labor, it will necessarily increase GDP presented whether or not if it actually increases the real services and goods provided. So if say, marriage was now reduced to purely transaction calculations of cleaning, food preparation and sexual engagement, each which is recorded with receipts, this not only vastly increases the number of produced services but also becomes a form of taxable income.

    So it is innately beneficial for a government to encourage the dissolution of the family to maximize its income, even before we consider the notion that the family as an unit is a competing form of governance and as Hayek teaches us, the state is a jealous god that seeks to monopolize all forms of power.

    I think this is part of an issue with the modern effort at quantification. Its useful - and necessary - that we understand the world through quantification of phenomenon with numbers, but some things are less easily quantifiable than others(happiness, social welfare, even long-term variability). Its fine to focus on what we can understand more than what we don't, but it can dangerously lead to assuming that the less understood parts of the world don't actually exist.
  128. @Mikhail
    More svido wishful thinking on your part. Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened.

    Polling in the former Ukrainian USSR can be subjectively skewed. Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.

    The established UOC has yet to come close to folding, despite attempts that go back to at least Yushchenko's regime. Poroshenko took the state interference against the established UOC to a greater level.

    Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened

    This poll isn’t about “predicted outcome” but number of supporters. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. 🙂

    Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.

    RISU didn’t do the poll, they just report news from various sources. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. 🙂

    Setting you aside, here is a very detailed group of polls from Razumkov:

    http://razumkov.org.ua/uploads/article/2018_Religiya.pdf

    Page 8 = % of Ukrainians who trust Patriarch Kirill declined from 44% in 2010 to 15.3% in 2018.

    Page 12 – Percent of the population who consider themselves to be religious. 90.1% in Western Ukraine, 70% in the Center, 58.5% in the South, 63% in the East.

    Page 14 – percent of people who say religion is important to them. 89% in the West, 55% in the Center, 50% in the South, 40% in the East.

    Now, remember that Ukraine’s West and Center are where the religious people live. Which Church to the actually religious regions belong to?

    Pg. 16 (all population)

    In the West, 29.4% Kiev, 7.0% Moscow.
    In the Center, 37.9% Kiev, 13.9% Moscow.

    Pg. 17 (among Orthodox)

    In the West, 64.1% Kiev, 15.2% Moscow.
    In the Center, 48.2% Kiev, 17.7% Moscow.

    So these are actually religious, devout people who are being saved from schism by Constantinople. Not “Atheists, but Orthodox atheists” from the East. Good that Constantinople is worried about and helping the former, and not preferring the latter.

    Increase in support for Kiev vs. Moscow over time:

    Which Orthodox Church do you belong to (pg. 17)?

    Kiev Patriarch – 22.1% in 2010, 42.6% in 2018
    UOC- Moscow – 34.5% in 2010, 19.1% in 2018
    “Just Orthodox” – 37.9% 2010, 34.8% 2018

    How do the people of Ukraine want the religious conflict to be settled?

    National Church based on the Kiev Patriarch – 26.9%
    National Church resulting from union of all Churches – 23.4%
    National Church remaining under Moscow, as it is – 9.2%
    I don’t care -22.7%

    Among members of the Moscow Church

    13.5% believe a National Church should be based on the Kiev Patriarchate
    25% want an independent national Church resulting from union of all Churches
    42.3% prefer the status quo, with the national Church remaining under Moscow. Less than half!

    So, we can expect about half of Moscow’s remaining members to leave and join the national Church. A little over a third are willing to leave, a little over 40% want to stay.

    More:

    Do you trust Filaret? 36.7% of UOC- MP members trust him, 36.7% don’t trust him. Rather good considering he is the leader of a rival Church. Onufrey does not enjoy that level of trust among UOC-KP members.

    OT: Attitude towards Islam. Pg. 22.

    Most negative in Western Ukraine, followed by Eastern Ukraine. Something to unite both regions!

    Central Ukraine is most Islam-friendly.

    Southern Ukraine is most pro-Jewish (Odessa). Followed by Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine most anti-Jewish. So much for the myth of Galician rabid antisemites.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Number fudging is in line with bias driven (put mildly) questionable polling, which are both in line with your screeds.

    Henceforth, an idiot would be prone to readily accept your long winded babble.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Quality comment.

    So your thesis seems to be correct (UOC-MP for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and Russophiles). Still, it means nothing without being recognized. Moscow will never do it, most of the others probably won't.
    , @anonymous coward
    Polls in a country without the rule of law (like Ukraine) are meaningless.

    Polls showed that Crimea was pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia, until suddenly one day (literally one day) they flipped.

    It's no mystery. The mystery is why people take anything coming out of the failed state of Ukraine seriously.
    , @Mr. Hack
    This comment is actually adressed to AK, whom I see gave you a big 'Agree', but feel to free to chime in too. I don't see how Karlin can give you a big thumbs up (at least agreeing with the results of this poll), and still presumably be a seriouss advocate of the Triune theory? I mean really, these results indicate that the vast majority of Ukrainians are not interested anymore in supporting a Moscow based Orthodox church, but want a more native Orthodox church, reflecting their own sensibilites, not Russian ones. Everyone knows that UOC-MP is the last credible stronghold of Triunism in Ukraine, and it appears that its sway in Ukraine is quickly descending to nill. It looks like Karlin is still desperately clinging on to a view that is losing any lasting currency in Ukraine (basically on life support) - and he must know it! :-)
  129. @utu
    Look up Father Groeschel who was very close to Helen Schucman (born Helen Dora Cohn) who 'channeled' the 'A Course in Miracles' while a being a professor of psychology at Columbia to William Thetford who was brought up in the Christian Science church. By the way, mother Ms. Helen Dora Cohn was into theosophy and Christian Science. It was William Thetford who hired Helen Schucman at Columbia. It is believed that at various times he worked on projects for CIA.

    Journalist Randall Sullivan met Father Benedict Groeschel and wrote this in the article:

    https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2004/07/the-making-of-a-course-in-miracles.aspx

    No less fascinating to the priest was the sharp distinction between Schucman's own stated convictions and the content of A Course in Miracles. "I hate that damn book," she often told him, and regularly disavowed its teachings.

    Most troubling to him by far was the "black hole of rage and depression that Schucman fell into during the last two years of her life," the priest explained. She had become frightening to be with, Groeschel recalled, spewing psychotic hatred not only for A Course in Miracles but "for all things spiritual." When he sat at Schucman's bedside as she lay dying, "she cursed, in the coarsest barroom language you could imagine, `that book, that goddamn book.' She said it was the worst thing that ever happened to her.

     

    I’m well acquainted with the life of Helen Schucman and Father Groeschel’s
    opinion of the Course but the testimonies of thousands of people whose lives
    have been transformed by the Course speak for themselves. Perfect truth is not
    available to us “this side of Paradise” so one needs to use the empirical
    approach: either the 365 exercises in A Course in Miracles” work for you
    or they don’t. It’s gratifying that finally Christianity has employed an empirical
    approach. In this sense it’s become like Advaita Vedanta or Buddhism – either
    meditation works for you or it doesn’t. And now the Course has a sequel
    called “A Course of Love” (2001) by Mari Perron which is only now beginning
    to receive the attention it fully deserves.

  130. Re hillbilly welding a chainsaw:

    Re China’s economic prospects https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/23/kyle-bass-dire-financial-straits-in-china-give-trump-trade-leverage.html
    Re; mercenaries CIA renegade Ed Wilson had an ex Green beret try shoot a Libyan exile in Colorado for Qaddafi.
    Re nukes: no one would use ’em first, so nukes are only a deterrent to nuclear war. Russsia has strategic space, and could retreat into it, although why anyone would want to invade Russia is beyond me.
    Re* Why did the recent Soyuz launch fail? Classic O-Ring failure: “The mount did not immediately enter the groove – we drove it in by force.” Russian device designed for the cracking a nuts; a sledgehammer.
    Re Geoengineering will be weaponized. In pulp novel Scarecrow and the Army of Theives, the CIA trick the Russians into building a huge geoengineering weapon so that it can be used to incinerate China and preserve the living standards of the American family without the US getting the blame.
    Re Spencer.In Nietzsche’s NOTES (1880-1881) he writes: “The reabsorption of semen by the blood is the strongest nourishment and, perhaps more than any other factor, it prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces toward the overcoming of resistances, the thirst for contradiction and resistance. The feeling of power has so far mounted highest in abstinent priests and hermits (for example, amoung the Brahmans).”

    Hitler did not even masturbate as a youth, he was a virgin throughout his twenties (he called it the “Eternal Flame”). Goebells too was a virgin till his 30’s. Some people thought Goebbels was a better speaker than Hitler, but in his early period before he started banging lady acrobats teenage waitresses and his half neice, Hitler was nonpareil.

    Re More Romanians than Syrians: East Europeans immigrants were the real reason behind Brexit,

    https://www.trykkefrihed.dk/interview-a-continent-of-losers.htm
    [C]ountries such as Poland, Latvia and Lithuania are doomed. […] Romania is the first country in the world where there are more retirees than active workers, and we let them in. The same with Bulgaria, which has the world’s fastest-dwindling population. The young are moving out, and with a clean conscience, because they believe that tomorrow Brussels will pay for their parents. So the EU has accepted 27 million people who wanted to get inside to secure their pensions. And in the European centre they are still overjoyed to have attracted millions more than the USA. That will make us strong, they believe.”

    Anti raciist condtioning had it all under control until the white immigrants came in and kept wages down. They were of the same race and that was the chink in the establishment’s armour.

    Re producer is a Jew, Khashoggi (nephew of the arms dealer and whore-master Adnan) was part Jewish. Given his father’s success in business from a start as a very low level immigrant, I would not be surprised if bin Laden was too.

  131. This is primarily of interest to the Central Europeans
    visiting this blog. There is a sense of growing excitement as Central Europe
    is celebrating the centennial of its rebirth in 1918 – for example, Czechoslovakia
    on October 28 and Poland on November 11. The disappearance of Central Europe
    as a separate civilization from the map of Europe, which began with the First
    Partition of Poland in 1772, initiated by two Germans (Frederick II of Prussia
    and Catherine II of Russia) and the Hapsburgs of Austria, was a great tragedy
    that completely destabilized Europe (thus making it weaker), and IMHO led
    directly to WW I and WW II from which Europe emerged much weaker than
    it could have been had the integrity of Central Europe been protected. For
    example, Europe (through the Urals) being roughly the same size as China
    should have roughly the same population as China. It’s hard not to conclude
    that Europe is missing at least 500 million people.

    In this connection I’d like to recommend The Reference Frame, a blog by the
    Czech theoretical physicist Lubos Motl who was banished from Harvard for
    his conservative views. He writes a lot about politics, not just physics, and has
    a very lively mind.

    • Replies: @Sean
    The Koreans playing Imperialist powers off against one another caused the Russio Japanese war and the consequent 1905 revolution, thus removing the Russian deterrent to Germany and causing Britain and France to become allied. Russia was drawn into an alliance with france by Poincare (a relative of the brilliant physicist) who wanted Alsace and Lorriane, where he was born, back. So skillful diplomacy in a multi polar system is the cause of world wars.
  132. @Rosie

    I just posted a link with a bunch of data that you’ve completely ignored. The data completely vindicates my argument. You cherry picked one piece of data without supplying any context or accompanying data.
     
    I'll look at your data when I get a round-2-it, but I think we've already had this discussion.

    Rosie, “the Patriarchy” isn’t something that was invented by men.

    “The Patriarchy” was invented by women for women’s benefit.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her. In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn. But what are the women to do in this hellish world? Cats are no substitute for a real man in your bed.

    Are you a lesbian?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Rosie, “the Patriarchy” isn’t something that was invented by men.

    “The Patriarchy” was invented by women for women’s benefit.
     
    I don't know about that. It's a factual question that I don't have the information to evaluate.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her.
     
    No I really don't know that.

    In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.
     
    I'm going to assume, for the sake of argument, that this is correct, though I don't believe it is. The solution is not to repress women, but to repatriate manufacturing and put a stop to high-skill H1-B type immigration.

    The problem with manosphere crybabies is that they seem to deliberately seek out solutions that will alienate any potential allies, rather than solutions that others will support. I can only conclude that it is an unserious movement of crybabies who want to share their feelings about how they're so hard done by rather than actually accomplishing something to improve men's lives.

    Of course, there is no guarantee that such measures would solve the problem, but you can't possibly know that until you've tried them, and you can't try them until you wrest control of the country for the hostile elite, and you can't wrest control of the country from the hostile elite by threatening and alienating one third of the electorate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn.
     
    Indeed, and how do you know it is not porn that is causing low marriage rates. You average girl can hardly compete with pornstars, and there are data to indicate that men aren't much interested in the average girl.

    Are you a lesbian?
     
    I've been married for twenty years.
    , @notanon

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her.
     
    if his income was enough to allow her to stay home with the kids in an area with safe schools?
  133. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon
    Warren lays out what happened in this lecture - a massive premium on housing near "good" aka safe schools required two incomes which led to needing two cars and expensive childcare which led to financial insecurity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A

    being an SJW she left out what caused this massive flight to neighborhoods with "good schools" but the sequence is perfectly clear - the path to 1970s family breakdown was through 1960s white flight.

    We went over this in a previous thread. The middle class was already in the suburbs at the time of “white flight” in the 60s and 70s. The cause of family breakdown was female economic independence. The need for more incomes, cars, childcare, etc., is an effect of female economic independence and family breakdown. When women have more options, they become more expensive to satisfy. We see this family breakdown in other wealthy countries that have had female economic independence, like in countries in Europe which have not had immigration until very recently.

    Think about it like this. What would happen if the average man suddenly became a foot shorter than the average woman? What would happen to his attractiveness to women and his marriage prospects? Do you think they would stay the same, rise, or fall? This is basically what has happened: female economic independence have figuratively made women grow taller, which necessarily means that the average man is now relatively shorter. Women do not like short men. Female economic independence has made the average man into the economic and social equivalent of a midget:

    • Replies: @notanon
    assume a woman wants kids and wants to give them the best start in life and thinks looking after those kids herself until they are some minimum age will give them the best start in life.

    in a context where a man's income can allow her to do that then if *all* men were shorter they'd prefer the least short but they'd still pick a manlet over not being able to stay home with the kids.

    on the other hand you're right that in a context where a man's income is not enough to allow that choice then they'll end up trying all sorts of other less optimal tactics - like focusing on a career of their own or competing in the thot wars for the 20% of men who can still provide that life (even if they were all manlets).
  134. @AP

    Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened
     
    This poll isn't about "predicted outcome" but number of supporters. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.
     
    RISU didn't do the poll, they just report news from various sources. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Setting you aside, here is a very detailed group of polls from Razumkov:

    http://razumkov.org.ua/uploads/article/2018_Religiya.pdf

    Page 8 = % of Ukrainians who trust Patriarch Kirill declined from 44% in 2010 to 15.3% in 2018.

    Page 12 - Percent of the population who consider themselves to be religious. 90.1% in Western Ukraine, 70% in the Center, 58.5% in the South, 63% in the East.

    Page 14 - percent of people who say religion is important to them. 89% in the West, 55% in the Center, 50% in the South, 40% in the East.

    Now, remember that Ukraine's West and Center are where the religious people live. Which Church to the actually religious regions belong to?

    Pg. 16 (all population)

    In the West, 29.4% Kiev, 7.0% Moscow.
    In the Center, 37.9% Kiev, 13.9% Moscow.

    Pg. 17 (among Orthodox)

    In the West, 64.1% Kiev, 15.2% Moscow.
    In the Center, 48.2% Kiev, 17.7% Moscow.

    So these are actually religious, devout people who are being saved from schism by Constantinople. Not "Atheists, but Orthodox atheists" from the East. Good that Constantinople is worried about and helping the former, and not preferring the latter.

    Increase in support for Kiev vs. Moscow over time:

    Which Orthodox Church do you belong to (pg. 17)?

    Kiev Patriarch - 22.1% in 2010, 42.6% in 2018
    UOC- Moscow - 34.5% in 2010, 19.1% in 2018
    "Just Orthodox" - 37.9% 2010, 34.8% 2018

    How do the people of Ukraine want the religious conflict to be settled?

    National Church based on the Kiev Patriarch - 26.9%
    National Church resulting from union of all Churches - 23.4%
    National Church remaining under Moscow, as it is - 9.2%
    I don't care -22.7%

    Among members of the Moscow Church

    13.5% believe a National Church should be based on the Kiev Patriarchate
    25% want an independent national Church resulting from union of all Churches
    42.3% prefer the status quo, with the national Church remaining under Moscow. Less than half!

    So, we can expect about half of Moscow's remaining members to leave and join the national Church. A little over a third are willing to leave, a little over 40% want to stay.

    More:

    Do you trust Filaret? 36.7% of UOC- MP members trust him, 36.7% don't trust him. Rather good considering he is the leader of a rival Church. Onufrey does not enjoy that level of trust among UOC-KP members.

    OT: Attitude towards Islam. Pg. 22.

    Most negative in Western Ukraine, followed by Eastern Ukraine. Something to unite both regions!

    Central Ukraine is most Islam-friendly.

    Southern Ukraine is most pro-Jewish (Odessa). Followed by Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine most anti-Jewish. So much for the myth of Galician rabid antisemites.

    Number fudging is in line with bias driven (put mildly) questionable polling, which are both in line with your screeds.

    Henceforth, an idiot would be prone to readily accept your long winded babble.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    You don't like the results of scientific polls so you eek out stupid replies like this, Mickey? This is why the vast majority of readers here and elsewhere find you to be nothing more than an obnoxious twit!
  135. @utu
    And what was great about this new labor force it did not show up in the unemployment statistics initially and yet it existed.

    I think Aaron Russo claimed that Rockefeller told him it was a very old plan. It goes back to The Communist Manifesto at least where basically it was argued that marriage should be abolished because among other issues marriage was an institutionalized prostitution. Alexandra Kollontai took it to heart and began implementing in the USSR and sharing women within the collective was discussed. I think Stalin put stop to it perhaps because he was a nature prude as a former seminary student or he saw that society will fall apart while he needed people for spreading the revolution and fighting capitalism. If it was not for Stalin, possibly, we would have LBGQT and other nonsense in the Soviet Union already in 1930's.

    From the economic pov having women work is good because it indeed should make a country more wealthy even though it would undercut male wages, however, if the capitalists after having all women and men working (-5%) come to you and say it is not enough, we need foreign labor then it means they want to grow beyond natural limit of the county. One good answer to the capitalist then would be that if you need more production for export go ahead and open a plant abroad but you won't be able to bring the products to our country and compete with people working here but we still will tax you on the profit.

    Aaron Russo was a most interesting person.

  136. Quite delusional:

    http://uawire.org/the-ukrainian-foreign-ministry-demands-that-russia-stop-recruiting-crimeans

    Nothing about such Crimeans defecting to freedom (sic) in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine or holding mass demonstrations against the Russian occupation (sic) in Crimea.

  137. @Anon 2
    This is primarily of interest to the Central Europeans
    visiting this blog. There is a sense of growing excitement as Central Europe
    is celebrating the centennial of its rebirth in 1918 - for example, Czechoslovakia
    on October 28 and Poland on November 11. The disappearance of Central Europe
    as a separate civilization from the map of Europe, which began with the First
    Partition of Poland in 1772, initiated by two Germans (Frederick II of Prussia
    and Catherine II of Russia) and the Hapsburgs of Austria, was a great tragedy
    that completely destabilized Europe (thus making it weaker), and IMHO led
    directly to WW I and WW II from which Europe emerged much weaker than
    it could have been had the integrity of Central Europe been protected. For
    example, Europe (through the Urals) being roughly the same size as China
    should have roughly the same population as China. It's hard not to conclude
    that Europe is missing at least 500 million people.

    In this connection I'd like to recommend The Reference Frame, a blog by the
    Czech theoretical physicist Lubos Motl who was banished from Harvard for
    his conservative views. He writes a lot about politics, not just physics, and has
    a very lively mind.

    The Koreans playing Imperialist powers off against one another caused the Russio Japanese war and the consequent 1905 revolution, thus removing the Russian deterrent to Germany and causing Britain and France to become allied. Russia was drawn into an alliance with france by Poincare (a relative of the brilliant physicist) who wanted Alsace and Lorriane, where he was born, back. So skillful diplomacy in a multi polar system is the cause of world wars.

  138. @AP

    Kiev has a quarter of Moscow’s population, so it should be opening 3 stations a year to keep pace in per capita terms.
     
    As I said, Kiev is no Moscow.

    But Moscow built 14 stations in 2018, 4 in 2017, 5 in 2016, 2 in 2015, 6 in 2014, 2 in 2013. So you exaggerate the rate of new stations being built in Moscow.

    But apparently it’s building one every 5 years. At first I actually thought Dmitry’s comment was hyperbolic, but now I realize it’s literally true!
     
    It's not literally true because he claimed Ukraine is incapable of building a metro at all when it actually does so.

    What do you mean there’s no rail link to downtown? Aeroexpress goes from Sheremetyevo to central Moscow (Belorussky vokzal), which in turn is a short walk away from the Metro.
     
    You are right, but even my wife didn't hear about it (I just asked), we always take taxis or have family drive us.

    Ok, fair enough. But 10 stations per year is going to be the new normal for the next 5 years according to current plans.

    I am rather surprised you never noticed Aeroexpress, there’s plenty of signs.

    Tip – don’t use taxis, use Yandex Taxi (or Uber if you can’t be bothered installing the other app). Taxis typically overcharge by 3x at the airport.

    • Replies: @AP

    I am rather surprised you never noticed Aeroexpress, there’s plenty of signs
     
    After leaving customs we were always greeted either by family with a car or a relative with a cab they ordered, so never looked for or noticed those signs.
  139. @AP

    Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened
     
    This poll isn't about "predicted outcome" but number of supporters. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.
     
    RISU didn't do the poll, they just report news from various sources. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Setting you aside, here is a very detailed group of polls from Razumkov:

    http://razumkov.org.ua/uploads/article/2018_Religiya.pdf

    Page 8 = % of Ukrainians who trust Patriarch Kirill declined from 44% in 2010 to 15.3% in 2018.

    Page 12 - Percent of the population who consider themselves to be religious. 90.1% in Western Ukraine, 70% in the Center, 58.5% in the South, 63% in the East.

    Page 14 - percent of people who say religion is important to them. 89% in the West, 55% in the Center, 50% in the South, 40% in the East.

    Now, remember that Ukraine's West and Center are where the religious people live. Which Church to the actually religious regions belong to?

    Pg. 16 (all population)

    In the West, 29.4% Kiev, 7.0% Moscow.
    In the Center, 37.9% Kiev, 13.9% Moscow.

    Pg. 17 (among Orthodox)

    In the West, 64.1% Kiev, 15.2% Moscow.
    In the Center, 48.2% Kiev, 17.7% Moscow.

    So these are actually religious, devout people who are being saved from schism by Constantinople. Not "Atheists, but Orthodox atheists" from the East. Good that Constantinople is worried about and helping the former, and not preferring the latter.

    Increase in support for Kiev vs. Moscow over time:

    Which Orthodox Church do you belong to (pg. 17)?

    Kiev Patriarch - 22.1% in 2010, 42.6% in 2018
    UOC- Moscow - 34.5% in 2010, 19.1% in 2018
    "Just Orthodox" - 37.9% 2010, 34.8% 2018

    How do the people of Ukraine want the religious conflict to be settled?

    National Church based on the Kiev Patriarch - 26.9%
    National Church resulting from union of all Churches - 23.4%
    National Church remaining under Moscow, as it is - 9.2%
    I don't care -22.7%

    Among members of the Moscow Church

    13.5% believe a National Church should be based on the Kiev Patriarchate
    25% want an independent national Church resulting from union of all Churches
    42.3% prefer the status quo, with the national Church remaining under Moscow. Less than half!

    So, we can expect about half of Moscow's remaining members to leave and join the national Church. A little over a third are willing to leave, a little over 40% want to stay.

    More:

    Do you trust Filaret? 36.7% of UOC- MP members trust him, 36.7% don't trust him. Rather good considering he is the leader of a rival Church. Onufrey does not enjoy that level of trust among UOC-KP members.

    OT: Attitude towards Islam. Pg. 22.

    Most negative in Western Ukraine, followed by Eastern Ukraine. Something to unite both regions!

    Central Ukraine is most Islam-friendly.

    Southern Ukraine is most pro-Jewish (Odessa). Followed by Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine most anti-Jewish. So much for the myth of Galician rabid antisemites.

    Quality comment.

    So your thesis seems to be correct (UOC-MP for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and Russophiles). Still, it means nothing without being recognized. Moscow will never do it, most of the others probably won’t.

  140. @AP

    Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened
     
    This poll isn't about "predicted outcome" but number of supporters. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.
     
    RISU didn't do the poll, they just report news from various sources. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Setting you aside, here is a very detailed group of polls from Razumkov:

    http://razumkov.org.ua/uploads/article/2018_Religiya.pdf

    Page 8 = % of Ukrainians who trust Patriarch Kirill declined from 44% in 2010 to 15.3% in 2018.

    Page 12 - Percent of the population who consider themselves to be religious. 90.1% in Western Ukraine, 70% in the Center, 58.5% in the South, 63% in the East.

    Page 14 - percent of people who say religion is important to them. 89% in the West, 55% in the Center, 50% in the South, 40% in the East.

    Now, remember that Ukraine's West and Center are where the religious people live. Which Church to the actually religious regions belong to?

    Pg. 16 (all population)

    In the West, 29.4% Kiev, 7.0% Moscow.
    In the Center, 37.9% Kiev, 13.9% Moscow.

    Pg. 17 (among Orthodox)

    In the West, 64.1% Kiev, 15.2% Moscow.
    In the Center, 48.2% Kiev, 17.7% Moscow.

    So these are actually religious, devout people who are being saved from schism by Constantinople. Not "Atheists, but Orthodox atheists" from the East. Good that Constantinople is worried about and helping the former, and not preferring the latter.

    Increase in support for Kiev vs. Moscow over time:

    Which Orthodox Church do you belong to (pg. 17)?

    Kiev Patriarch - 22.1% in 2010, 42.6% in 2018
    UOC- Moscow - 34.5% in 2010, 19.1% in 2018
    "Just Orthodox" - 37.9% 2010, 34.8% 2018

    How do the people of Ukraine want the religious conflict to be settled?

    National Church based on the Kiev Patriarch - 26.9%
    National Church resulting from union of all Churches - 23.4%
    National Church remaining under Moscow, as it is - 9.2%
    I don't care -22.7%

    Among members of the Moscow Church

    13.5% believe a National Church should be based on the Kiev Patriarchate
    25% want an independent national Church resulting from union of all Churches
    42.3% prefer the status quo, with the national Church remaining under Moscow. Less than half!

    So, we can expect about half of Moscow's remaining members to leave and join the national Church. A little over a third are willing to leave, a little over 40% want to stay.

    More:

    Do you trust Filaret? 36.7% of UOC- MP members trust him, 36.7% don't trust him. Rather good considering he is the leader of a rival Church. Onufrey does not enjoy that level of trust among UOC-KP members.

    OT: Attitude towards Islam. Pg. 22.

    Most negative in Western Ukraine, followed by Eastern Ukraine. Something to unite both regions!

    Central Ukraine is most Islam-friendly.

    Southern Ukraine is most pro-Jewish (Odessa). Followed by Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine most anti-Jewish. So much for the myth of Galician rabid antisemites.

    Polls in a country without the rule of law (like Ukraine) are meaningless.

    Polls showed that Crimea was pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia, until suddenly one day (literally one day) they flipped.

    It’s no mystery. The mystery is why people take anything coming out of the failed state of Ukraine seriously.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    This is fake news. Crimeans were always very pro-Russian, and became more so after their incorporation. I know you love being wrong and all, but please try to be so in a way that doesn't reinforce Russophobic Western media tropes.
    , @Mikhail
    Quality sets of commenst with one dissent.

    Crimea en masse was never anti-Russian. It was willing enough to live in a Ukraine which wasn't so antagonistic towards Russia. Umland's selective spin on polling noted here:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/author/michael-averko/

    The point being that people do change. Relatively speaking, it wasn't so long ago that Yanukovych won the Ukrainian presidency, at around the time that a Ukrainian poll had Putin winning the Ukrainian presidency when matched against the actual candidates, as well as other world leaders at that point.

    I had earlier linked a very recent RFE/RL article saying that the majority of Ukriane's OC follow the church that's loosely affiliated with the ROC-MP. It's safe to say that numerous folks continue to follow that church.

  141. @Daniel Chieh
    Basically I feel it was due to overall declining wages which were disguised by two-income households and later, debt. The overall consumerist culture had much to do with it too. Feminism and "empowerment" does seem to have been highly promoted as a way to gain a new cheap labor source by industries.

    http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/real-household-income1.png

    I don’t know how it could be isolated, but unrestrained female entry into the workplace would likely have exerted downward pressure on the wage scale. Even so, I think most people were (are) in favor of equity feminism.

    A restricted universal basic income would facilitate marriage and nuclear family formation. It would remove the incentives for women to remain single and produce welfare children. It would also eliminate the disincentives that are present in our current social welfare which discourage self-help and self-improvement behaviors. The allowance for children could even be tweaked to favor children from intact households. Also, by directing social welfare toward individuals exclusively, rather than having a major race component, it would eliminate the problem of people not wanting to pay for “other” groups’ welfare.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I think James Flynn was right when he said something like, women want to be loved. Those who cannot get men to love them, will still want to get children to love them, by getting pregnant by the men who will not love them.
  142. @anonymous coward
    Polls in a country without the rule of law (like Ukraine) are meaningless.

    Polls showed that Crimea was pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia, until suddenly one day (literally one day) they flipped.

    It's no mystery. The mystery is why people take anything coming out of the failed state of Ukraine seriously.

    This is fake news. Crimeans were always very pro-Russian, and became more so after their incorporation. I know you love being wrong and all, but please try to be so in a way that doesn’t reinforce Russophobic Western media tropes.

    • Replies: @Mitleser

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian
     
    Not according to McCain and Kiev. ;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd0XalKUIAALhHO.jpg
    , @anonymous coward

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian
     
    They were, but not according to Ukrainian "polls".

    but please try to be so in a way that doesn’t reinforce Russophobic Western media tropes
     
    Everything that AP quotes is a russophibic Western media trope. Why pick and chose different colors among a pile of bullshit? It's all shit regardless.
  143. @Anatoly Karlin
    This is fake news. Crimeans were always very pro-Russian, and became more so after their incorporation. I know you love being wrong and all, but please try to be so in a way that doesn't reinforce Russophobic Western media tropes.

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian

    Not according to McCain and Kiev. 😉

    • Replies: @AP
    These results support what AK said - in almost all years Crimeans were Russophiles. Only exception (2011-early 2014) was when Yanukovich, an ethnic Russian (Belarusian absentee father, Russian mother), was president.

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.
  144. @Anatoly Karlin
    This is fake news. Crimeans were always very pro-Russian, and became more so after their incorporation. I know you love being wrong and all, but please try to be so in a way that doesn't reinforce Russophobic Western media tropes.

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian

    They were, but not according to Ukrainian “polls”.

    but please try to be so in a way that doesn’t reinforce Russophobic Western media tropes

    Everything that AP quotes is a russophibic Western media trope. Why pick and chose different colors among a pile of bullshit? It’s all shit regardless.

    • Replies: @AP

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian

    They were, but not according to Ukrainian “polls”.
     
    LOL, you couldn't even read the poll results you yourself posted.
  145. @AP

    While it’s obviously biased against Maidanism, the person who runs knows the Ukraine well
     
    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It's like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.

    * RT: Senior Russian Orthodox cleric says Constantinople’s recognition of schismatic Ukrainian church has invalidated its preeminent position in global Orthodoxy
     
    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/

    * Vzglyad: 403/413 monks in Odessa monastery voted to remain with UOC-MP [in Russian]. Looks like Filaret will have a hard slog, at least without help from Ukrainian nationalists.
     
    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine's Orthodox believers. It's the more pro-Russian group leftover group. plus those who are sticklers to recognition. Many of the pro-Ukrainian ones have already left or been purged. I'd expect perhaps 1/3 to defect, the pro-Ukrainian ones who were reluctant due to lack of recognition but who now have a way out. It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It’s like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.

    It’s your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that’s your credibility on the line.

    Let’s have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to:

    Kyiv Post risks being shut down over a Language Law
    Ukraine will buy 72% of her Coal from Russia
    Russia Ended Reselling Of Oil To Ukraine By Belarus
    Almost 50% of Ukrainians Think Banning of Russian TV Channels was a Mistake
    Hroysman: Russians Want to Create Ukraine Fatigue in the World

    Are any of these false? And if not, what does that say about his credibility — and yours?

    • Replies: @AP

    It’s your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that’s your credibility on the line.

    Let’s have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to
     
    I went by his posts here. He was claiming that central Lviv was full of garbage, for example. As I wrote elsewhere -

    " Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It’s like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it."
    , @Mikhail
    As earlier noted at this thread, that's a very false view of Insominac Resurrected. In actuality, he spends a good deal of time referencing and ridiculing svido leaning sources, in conjunction with some sharp disagreement with elements within the Russian political establishment.
  146. @AP

    Austere Insomniac used to have hundreds of comments.
     
    IIRC it was largely Mr. Hack making fun of him (I didn't go there often so I could be wrong). Again, he mostly just reads pro-Russian stuff from within Ukraine (yes, it exists -Ukraine is not North Korea as some Russians erroneously believe) and repeats it. Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It's like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it.

    But he's not nearly as dumb as Mikhail, I'll give him that.

    Again, he mostly just reads pro-Russian stuff from within Ukraine (yes, it exists -Ukraine is not North Korea as some Russians erroneously believe) and repeats it.

    Sure, but that’s setting the bar too low. Here’s Yasha Levine (of the eXile) writing two weeks ago, not in my view overstating the case:

    “I just got back from Ukraine and I have to say what I saw was frightening: widespread gov-funded Holocaust revisionism and denial, total impunity for neo-nazi violence against civil society, and an almost complete retreat from political life by Ukrainians.”

  147. @Mitleser

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian
     
    Not according to McCain and Kiev. ;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd0XalKUIAALhHO.jpg

    These results support what AK said – in almost all years Crimeans were Russophiles. Only exception (2011-early 2014) was when Yanukovich, an ethnic Russian (Belarusian absentee father, Russian mother), was president.

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    More bullshit:

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.
     
    There're neocon/neolib preferred Russians who most Crimeans differ with. Conversely, there're fortunately some Ukrainians (who I've the pleasure of knowing), who don't buy the anti-Russian BS and are readily accepted by mainstream pro-Russian elements.
    , @Mitleser
    A part of the UNDP polls are also from the Yanuk. era and their results do not really differ from the results of the pre-Yanuk. era polls from 2009.

    Your claim is wrong.
  148. @anonymous coward

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian
     
    They were, but not according to Ukrainian "polls".

    but please try to be so in a way that doesn’t reinforce Russophobic Western media tropes
     
    Everything that AP quotes is a russophibic Western media trope. Why pick and chose different colors among a pile of bullshit? It's all shit regardless.

    Crimeans were always very pro-Russian

    They were, but not according to Ukrainian “polls”.

    LOL, you couldn’t even read the poll results you yourself posted.

  149. One can also imagine what chilling effect demonstrations like this one must have:

    10,000 march in Kiev to honor genocidal UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army), who sang during WW2: “We slaughtered the Jews, we will slaughter the Poles, old and young, every one; we will slaughter the Poles, we will build Ukraine”

    • Replies: @AP
    So man on the street is aware of what some UPA people sang in 1943 in Gleboczyce, Volhynia?

    Do you think when Germans see parades honoring Red Army soldiers they become afraid of getting raped? Parades honoring the Revolution make some Russians afraid of getting sent to a gulag?

    What a silly comment.
  150. @Swedish Family

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It’s like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.
     
    It's your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that's your credibility on the line.

    Let's have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to:

    Kyiv Post risks being shut down over a Language Law
    Ukraine will buy 72% of her Coal from Russia
    Russia Ended Reselling Of Oil To Ukraine By Belarus
    Almost 50% of Ukrainians Think Banning of Russian TV Channels was a Mistake
    Hroysman: Russians Want to Create Ukraine Fatigue in the World
     
    Are any of these false? And if not, what does that say about his credibility -- and yours?

    It’s your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that’s your credibility on the line.

    Let’s have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to

    I went by his posts here. He was claiming that central Lviv was full of garbage, for example. As I wrote elsewhere –

    ” Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It’s like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it.”

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    No one is perfect as evidenced with some of your clueless comments over the course of time.
    , @Swedish Family

    I went by his posts here. He was claiming that central Lviv was full of garbage, for example.
     
    I take it you mean that he was the commenter here who made that claim. If so, that hardly qualifies as misinformation, since he provided a link to his source and you yourself agreed, if memory serves, that there had been some conflict or other that held up the collection of garbage.
  151. @Anatoly Karlin
    Ok, fair enough. But 10 stations per year is going to be the new normal for the next 5 years according to current plans.

    I am rather surprised you never noticed Aeroexpress, there's plenty of signs.

    Tip - don't use taxis, use Yandex Taxi (or Uber if you can't be bothered installing the other app). Taxis typically overcharge by 3x at the airport.

    I am rather surprised you never noticed Aeroexpress, there’s plenty of signs

    After leaving customs we were always greeted either by family with a car or a relative with a cab they ordered, so never looked for or noticed those signs.

  152. @Swedish Family
    One can also imagine what chilling effect demonstrations like this one must have:

    10,000 march in Kiev to honor genocidal UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army), who sang during WW2: “We slaughtered the Jews, we will slaughter the Poles, old and young, every one; we will slaughter the Poles, we will build Ukraine"
     
    https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1052040683790499840

    So man on the street is aware of what some UPA people sang in 1943 in Gleboczyce, Volhynia?

    Do you think when Germans see parades honoring Red Army soldiers they become afraid of getting raped? Parades honoring the Revolution make some Russians afraid of getting sent to a gulag?

    What a silly comment.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Your comparative references are silly. There’s also the matter of monuments and stamps honoring the OUN/UPA - even though there's a poll revealing that Bandera isn't so popular a figure in Ukraine - a point giving credence to the disproportionate influence that anti-Russian extreme nationalists have there.

    In comparison, you’ll be hard pressed to find any official or semi-official to speak of honoring of Stalin/Stalin era repressions in Russia. Putin supported a Moscow based commemoration of the victims of Stalin era purges – something repeatedly noted by Stephen Cohen.
    , @Swedish Family

    Do you think when Germans see parades honoring Red Army soldiers they become afraid of getting raped? Parades honoring the Revolution make some Russians afraid of getting sent to a gulag?
     
    You conflate here random and non-ideological war crimes -- very much by-products of any war -- with the willful extermination of a whole people. They did sing "We slaughtered the Jews, we will slaughter the Poles, old and young, every one; we will slaughter the Poles, we will build Ukraine" before actually murdering some 100,000 -- mostly defenseless -- Poles.

    But the savagery of its murder sprees also sets the Ukrainian Insurgent Army apart from the Red Army, I think, for it speaks volumes about the kind of people who made it up and the kind of people who would, in 2018, erect statues and rename streets in their honor. As a quick refresher, here are some eyewitness accounts:

    Janowa Dolina massacre


    The perpetrators, commanded by Ivan Lytwynchuk (aka Dubowy) exercised rare cruelty. Poles, unprepared and caught by surprise, were hacked to death with axes, burned alive, and impaled (including children). The murderers did not spare anyone, regardless of age and sex. German garrison, numbering around 100 soldiers, did not act and remained in its barracks. After first wave of murders, the Ukrainian nationalists started searching the hospital. They carried its Ukrainian patients away from the building, while Polish patients were burned alive.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janowa_Dolina_massacre

    Korosciatyn massacre


    According to one witness, Danuta Konieczna, who was ten years old, the fanaticized Ukrainian nationalists did not spare anybody, killing even babies in their cribs.
     

    In the morning, my parents went to the ruins of Korosciatyn. They heard stories which were difficult to believe. The Ukrainians got into the house of the Nowicki family. Mr Nowicki escaped, but the Banderites found his wife and their little daughter Barbara. Both were killed with axes, their skulls were crushed. Nowicki himself became insane and he walked around with his baby, who also survived, talking to everybody about his beloved wife and daughter
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korosciatyn_massacre


    Huta Pieniacka massacre


    Some time around noon a mixed force of Ukrainian SS and German soldiers and a strong contingent from the SS Freiwilligen Division "Galizien" surrounded Huta Pieniacka and herded the villagers into their barns.[10] The attackers set fire to the village and it burned all day. According to Bogusława Marcinkowska, a historian from Kraków's office of the Institute of National Remembrance, the Ukrainians threw infants against walls and cut open the stomachs of pregnant women.[7] The murderers left at night. Many of them were drunk and singing songs.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huta_Pieniacka_massacre


    Poryck massacre


    On 11 July 1943, units of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and OUN nationalists murdered Polish inhabitants of the town. Most people were killed during a ceremony in a local Roman Catholic church. The Ukrainian sotnia of 20 men surrounded and entered the church filled with people. They threw grenades at the faithful most of whom were women and children. Then they shot at them with machine guns and finally set fire to the church with survivors in hiding. Altogether 300 persons were murdered. Later on, Ukrainian nationalists burned what remained of the Czacki palace.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlivka,_Volyn_Oblast#Poryck_1943_massacre_of_Poles


    Again, these are the people the Maidanites are erecting statutes of and renaming streets after, and you find the idea silly that this would have a chilling effect.

  153. @anonymous coward
    Polls in a country without the rule of law (like Ukraine) are meaningless.

    Polls showed that Crimea was pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia, until suddenly one day (literally one day) they flipped.

    It's no mystery. The mystery is why people take anything coming out of the failed state of Ukraine seriously.

    Quality sets of commenst with one dissent.

    Crimea en masse was never anti-Russian. It was willing enough to live in a Ukraine which wasn’t so antagonistic towards Russia. Umland’s selective spin on polling noted here:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/author/michael-averko/

    The point being that people do change. Relatively speaking, it wasn’t so long ago that Yanukovych won the Ukrainian presidency, at around the time that a Ukrainian poll had Putin winning the Ukrainian presidency when matched against the actual candidates, as well as other world leaders at that point.

    I had earlier linked a very recent RFE/RL article saying that the majority of Ukriane’s OC follow the church that’s loosely affiliated with the ROC-MP. It’s safe to say that numerous folks continue to follow that church.

  154. @AP
    These results support what AK said - in almost all years Crimeans were Russophiles. Only exception (2011-early 2014) was when Yanukovich, an ethnic Russian (Belarusian absentee father, Russian mother), was president.

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.

    More bullshit:

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.

    There’re neocon/neolib preferred Russians who most Crimeans differ with. Conversely, there’re fortunately some Ukrainians (who I’ve the pleasure of knowing), who don’t buy the anti-Russian BS and are readily accepted by mainstream pro-Russian elements.

    • Replies: @AP
    LOL, you didn't even understand the comment you replied to.
    , @Anon

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.
     
    It is almost like West Ukrainians were dissatisfied with Yanukovych, and were bused into Kiev to protest against him.

    Why hasn't Ukraine created a system where the rights and sensitivities would be accounted for. Instead the constitution of Ukraine is that of a centralised, unitary and presidential republic. Completely unsuited to the format of Ukraine but well suited for sultanism, as Alexander Motyl called it. Although, the latter does not call Poroshenko's reign sultanism because he clearly is on Poroshenko's payroll.
  155. @Mikhail
    Number fudging is in line with bias driven (put mildly) questionable polling, which are both in line with your screeds.

    Henceforth, an idiot would be prone to readily accept your long winded babble.

    You don’t like the results of scientific polls so you eek out stupid replies like this, Mickey? This is why the vast majority of readers here and elsewhere find you to be nothing more than an obnoxious twit!

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Your so-called scientific polls aren't always so scientific in terms of their accuracy with reality - something that I established. So much for your obnoxiously stupid self.
  156. @iffen
    I don’t know how it could be isolated, but unrestrained female entry into the workplace would likely have exerted downward pressure on the wage scale. Even so, I think most people were (are) in favor of equity feminism.

    A restricted universal basic income would facilitate marriage and nuclear family formation. It would remove the incentives for women to remain single and produce welfare children. It would also eliminate the disincentives that are present in our current social welfare which discourage self-help and self-improvement behaviors. The allowance for children could even be tweaked to favor children from intact households. Also, by directing social welfare toward individuals exclusively, rather than having a major race component, it would eliminate the problem of people not wanting to pay for “other” groups’ welfare.

    I think James Flynn was right when he said something like, women want to be loved. Those who cannot get men to love them, will still want to get children to love them, by getting pregnant by the men who will not love them.

  157. @Swedish Family

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It’s like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.
     
    It's your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that's your credibility on the line.

    Let's have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to:

    Kyiv Post risks being shut down over a Language Law
    Ukraine will buy 72% of her Coal from Russia
    Russia Ended Reselling Of Oil To Ukraine By Belarus
    Almost 50% of Ukrainians Think Banning of Russian TV Channels was a Mistake
    Hroysman: Russians Want to Create Ukraine Fatigue in the World
     
    Are any of these false? And if not, what does that say about his credibility -- and yours?

    As earlier noted at this thread, that’s a very false view of Insominac Resurrected. In actuality, he spends a good deal of time referencing and ridiculing svido leaning sources, in conjunction with some sharp disagreement with elements within the Russian political establishment.

  158. @Mr. Hack
    You don't like the results of scientific polls so you eek out stupid replies like this, Mickey? This is why the vast majority of readers here and elsewhere find you to be nothing more than an obnoxious twit!

    Your so-called scientific polls aren’t always so scientific in terms of their accuracy with reality – something that I established. So much for your obnoxiously stupid self.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    You didn't establish anything at all that would put the results of this poll into doubt or jeopardy. The only thing that you established is your reputation for being a hardheaded fool.
  159. @AP

    It’s your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that’s your credibility on the line.

    Let’s have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to
     
    I went by his posts here. He was claiming that central Lviv was full of garbage, for example. As I wrote elsewhere -

    " Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It’s like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it."

    No one is perfect as evidenced with some of your clueless comments over the course of time.

  160. @anonymous coward
    Rosie, "the Patriarchy" isn't something that was invented by men.

    "The Patriarchy" was invented by women for women's benefit.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her. In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn. But what are the women to do in this hellish world? Cats are no substitute for a real man in your bed.

    Are you a lesbian?

    Rosie, “the Patriarchy” isn’t something that was invented by men.

    “The Patriarchy” was invented by women for women’s benefit.

    I don’t know about that. It’s a factual question that I don’t have the information to evaluate.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her.

    No I really don’t know that.

    In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.

    I’m going to assume, for the sake of argument, that this is correct, though I don’t believe it is. The solution is not to repress women, but to repatriate manufacturing and put a stop to high-skill H1-B type immigration.

    The problem with manosphere crybabies is that they seem to deliberately seek out solutions that will alienate any potential allies, rather than solutions that others will support. I can only conclude that it is an unserious movement of crybabies who want to share their feelings about how they’re so hard done by rather than actually accomplishing something to improve men’s lives.

    Of course, there is no guarantee that such measures would solve the problem, but you can’t possibly know that until you’ve tried them, and you can’t try them until you wrest control of the country for the hostile elite, and you can’t wrest control of the country from the hostile elite by threatening and alienating one third of the electorate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn.

    Indeed, and how do you know it is not porn that is causing low marriage rates. You average girl can hardly compete with pornstars, and there are data to indicate that men aren’t much interested in the average girl.

    Are you a lesbian?

    I’ve been married for twenty years.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    You also need to consider the possibility that it is men who aren't interested in high-earning women, rather than the other way around. Also. There is some evidence to suggest that women earn more because they can't find husbands. IOW, the lack of marriage prospects, possibly caused, at least in part, by competition from pornography, actually encourages women to seek more remunerative careers!

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/single-women-m-b-a-s-will-downplay-career-ambitions-to-preserve-options-on-the-marriage-market/

    https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2372-man-shortage-men-drives-women-careers.html
    , @anonymous coward
    Does your husband earn less than you? There's your answer.

    You miss the point. It is mathematically impossible for women to be sexually satisfied in a world with "equality" and without a "pay gap". Women don't want to share a bed with an 'equal' partner.

    Women will gladly take a 20% pay cut if it means a sexually satisfied, monogamous home life without adultery. The driver for 'equality' isn't women, it's men trying to optimize the economy.

    Sure, 'the Patriarchy' is not economically efficient, but it was magnificent in keeping both men and women happy and satisfied at home.
    , @Anonymous
    There are still men who do factory and IT jobs in America. Are women beating down their doors to marry them?

    The question is why would factory and IT jobs be the solution here? What's the mechanism? Is there something about factory and IT work that makes them inherently irresistible to women? Of course not. Women generally do not fantasize about marrying factory and IT workers. Women who can now get money from the government or through jobs and can live independently have the freedom to pursue romantic partners. They no longer have to settle for the factory worker but have the freedom to pursue their fantasies and try to seek higher status men. Countries like Germany that have had kept large manufacturing sectors have still seen declines in the family and fertility.

    The only way having factory and IT jobs for men would work is if women's economic and social status were lowered below that of male factory and IT workers. Otherwise, they'd just be a bunch of losers working in the factory and in IT. In effect, they would be slaves, who would only work in factories/IT if forced to for basic survival, because dropping out rather than making some other men rich or revolting and trying to impose patriarchy would make more sense.
  161. @AP
    So man on the street is aware of what some UPA people sang in 1943 in Gleboczyce, Volhynia?

    Do you think when Germans see parades honoring Red Army soldiers they become afraid of getting raped? Parades honoring the Revolution make some Russians afraid of getting sent to a gulag?

    What a silly comment.

    Your comparative references are silly. There’s also the matter of monuments and stamps honoring the OUN/UPA – even though there’s a poll revealing that Bandera isn’t so popular a figure in Ukraine – a point giving credence to the disproportionate influence that anti-Russian extreme nationalists have there.

    In comparison, you’ll be hard pressed to find any official or semi-official to speak of honoring of Stalin/Stalin era repressions in Russia. Putin supported a Moscow based commemoration of the victims of Stalin era purges – something repeatedly noted by Stephen Cohen.

  162. @Rosie

    Rosie, “the Patriarchy” isn’t something that was invented by men.

    “The Patriarchy” was invented by women for women’s benefit.
     
    I don't know about that. It's a factual question that I don't have the information to evaluate.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her.
     
    No I really don't know that.

    In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.
     
    I'm going to assume, for the sake of argument, that this is correct, though I don't believe it is. The solution is not to repress women, but to repatriate manufacturing and put a stop to high-skill H1-B type immigration.

    The problem with manosphere crybabies is that they seem to deliberately seek out solutions that will alienate any potential allies, rather than solutions that others will support. I can only conclude that it is an unserious movement of crybabies who want to share their feelings about how they're so hard done by rather than actually accomplishing something to improve men's lives.

    Of course, there is no guarantee that such measures would solve the problem, but you can't possibly know that until you've tried them, and you can't try them until you wrest control of the country for the hostile elite, and you can't wrest control of the country from the hostile elite by threatening and alienating one third of the electorate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn.
     
    Indeed, and how do you know it is not porn that is causing low marriage rates. You average girl can hardly compete with pornstars, and there are data to indicate that men aren't much interested in the average girl.

    Are you a lesbian?
     
    I've been married for twenty years.

    You also need to consider the possibility that it is men who aren’t interested in high-earning women, rather than the other way around. Also. There is some evidence to suggest that women earn more because they can’t find husbands. IOW, the lack of marriage prospects, possibly caused, at least in part, by competition from pornography, actually encourages women to seek more remunerative careers!

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/single-women-m-b-a-s-will-downplay-career-ambitions-to-preserve-options-on-the-marriage-market/

    https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2372-man-shortage-men-drives-women-careers.html

    • Replies: @iffen
    You also need to consider the possibility that it is men who aren’t interested in high-earning women, rather than the other way around.

    As we would have said in junior high "casual observation shows that there are plenty of men interested in high-earning women."
  163. @Mikhail
    Your so-called scientific polls aren't always so scientific in terms of their accuracy with reality - something that I established. So much for your obnoxiously stupid self.

    You didn’t establish anything at all that would put the results of this poll into doubt or jeopardy. The only thing that you established is your reputation for being a hardheaded fool.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    You're wrong again, as you continuously transfer your shortcomings to me.
  164. @Mr. Hack
    You didn't establish anything at all that would put the results of this poll into doubt or jeopardy. The only thing that you established is your reputation for being a hardheaded fool.

    You’re wrong again, as you continuously transfer your shortcomings to me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I don't see how you could possibly mistake my stand on issues with your own? Or your reliance on circular reasoning that leads to nowhere? I guess that's my biggest gripe about you Mickey, is that you only see what you want to see, and nothing else, no matter how convincing the opposing view is. The Beatles had people like you pegged accurately, when they wrote these words:

    He's as blind as he can be
    Just sees what he wants to see
    Nowhere man, can you see me at all
    Nowhere man don't worry
    Take your time, don't hurry
    Leave it all till somebody else
    Lends you a hand
    Ah, la, la, la, la
     
  165. @AP
    These results support what AK said - in almost all years Crimeans were Russophiles. Only exception (2011-early 2014) was when Yanukovich, an ethnic Russian (Belarusian absentee father, Russian mother), was president.

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.

    A part of the UNDP polls are also from the Yanuk. era and their results do not really differ from the results of the pre-Yanuk. era polls from 2009.

    Your claim is wrong.

    • Replies: @AP

    A part of the UNDP polls are also from the Yanuk. era and their results do not really differ from the results of the pre-Yanuk. era polls from 2009.
     
    Which ones and where? Was that in your post?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd0XalKUIAALhHO.jpg

    You see a solid majority of Crimeans wanting to join Russia in all years except those when an ethnic Russian, Yanukovich, ruled Ukraine. And even then, 25% to 41% wanted to do so.

    Only outlier was the Russian Human Rights Council Poll in 2014.
  166. @Mikhail
    You're wrong again, as you continuously transfer your shortcomings to me.

    I don’t see how you could possibly mistake my stand on issues with your own? Or your reliance on circular reasoning that leads to nowhere? I guess that’s my biggest gripe about you Mickey, is that you only see what you want to see, and nothing else, no matter how convincing the opposing view is. The Beatles had people like you pegged accurately, when they wrote these words:

    He’s as blind as he can be
    Just sees what he wants to see
    Nowhere man, can you see me at all
    Nowhere man don’t worry
    Take your time, don’t hurry
    Leave it all till somebody else
    Lends you a hand
    Ah, la, la, la, la

  167. @AP

    Your referenced polling brings to mind what the predicted outcome was for the 2016 US presidential election, relative to what actually happened
     
    This poll isn't about "predicted outcome" but number of supporters. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Your uncritical referencing of the svido leaning RISU relates to this point.
     
    RISU didn't do the poll, they just report news from various sources. You would understand that if you were a little smarter. :-)

    Setting you aside, here is a very detailed group of polls from Razumkov:

    http://razumkov.org.ua/uploads/article/2018_Religiya.pdf

    Page 8 = % of Ukrainians who trust Patriarch Kirill declined from 44% in 2010 to 15.3% in 2018.

    Page 12 - Percent of the population who consider themselves to be religious. 90.1% in Western Ukraine, 70% in the Center, 58.5% in the South, 63% in the East.

    Page 14 - percent of people who say religion is important to them. 89% in the West, 55% in the Center, 50% in the South, 40% in the East.

    Now, remember that Ukraine's West and Center are where the religious people live. Which Church to the actually religious regions belong to?

    Pg. 16 (all population)

    In the West, 29.4% Kiev, 7.0% Moscow.
    In the Center, 37.9% Kiev, 13.9% Moscow.

    Pg. 17 (among Orthodox)

    In the West, 64.1% Kiev, 15.2% Moscow.
    In the Center, 48.2% Kiev, 17.7% Moscow.

    So these are actually religious, devout people who are being saved from schism by Constantinople. Not "Atheists, but Orthodox atheists" from the East. Good that Constantinople is worried about and helping the former, and not preferring the latter.

    Increase in support for Kiev vs. Moscow over time:

    Which Orthodox Church do you belong to (pg. 17)?

    Kiev Patriarch - 22.1% in 2010, 42.6% in 2018
    UOC- Moscow - 34.5% in 2010, 19.1% in 2018
    "Just Orthodox" - 37.9% 2010, 34.8% 2018

    How do the people of Ukraine want the religious conflict to be settled?

    National Church based on the Kiev Patriarch - 26.9%
    National Church resulting from union of all Churches - 23.4%
    National Church remaining under Moscow, as it is - 9.2%
    I don't care -22.7%

    Among members of the Moscow Church

    13.5% believe a National Church should be based on the Kiev Patriarchate
    25% want an independent national Church resulting from union of all Churches
    42.3% prefer the status quo, with the national Church remaining under Moscow. Less than half!

    So, we can expect about half of Moscow's remaining members to leave and join the national Church. A little over a third are willing to leave, a little over 40% want to stay.

    More:

    Do you trust Filaret? 36.7% of UOC- MP members trust him, 36.7% don't trust him. Rather good considering he is the leader of a rival Church. Onufrey does not enjoy that level of trust among UOC-KP members.

    OT: Attitude towards Islam. Pg. 22.

    Most negative in Western Ukraine, followed by Eastern Ukraine. Something to unite both regions!

    Central Ukraine is most Islam-friendly.

    Southern Ukraine is most pro-Jewish (Odessa). Followed by Western Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine most anti-Jewish. So much for the myth of Galician rabid antisemites.

    This comment is actually adressed to AK, whom I see gave you a big ‘Agree’, but feel to free to chime in too. I don’t see how Karlin can give you a big thumbs up (at least agreeing with the results of this poll), and still presumably be a seriouss advocate of the Triune theory? I mean really, these results indicate that the vast majority of Ukrainians are not interested anymore in supporting a Moscow based Orthodox church, but want a more native Orthodox church, reflecting their own sensibilites, not Russian ones. Everyone knows that UOC-MP is the last credible stronghold of Triunism in Ukraine, and it appears that its sway in Ukraine is quickly descending to nill. It looks like Karlin is still desperately clinging on to a view that is losing any lasting currency in Ukraine (basically on life support) – and he must know it! 🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    The Ukrainians don't cease being a subset of the All-Russian nation just because many of them fancy themselves discount Poles instead - this just make them dupes and renegades not just in the secular realm, but in the sacred one as well. Hopefully God will show them mercy, and only punish the evildoers who have led them astray.
  168. @utu
    And what was great about this new labor force it did not show up in the unemployment statistics initially and yet it existed.

    I think Aaron Russo claimed that Rockefeller told him it was a very old plan. It goes back to The Communist Manifesto at least where basically it was argued that marriage should be abolished because among other issues marriage was an institutionalized prostitution. Alexandra Kollontai took it to heart and began implementing in the USSR and sharing women within the collective was discussed. I think Stalin put stop to it perhaps because he was a nature prude as a former seminary student or he saw that society will fall apart while he needed people for spreading the revolution and fighting capitalism. If it was not for Stalin, possibly, we would have LBGQT and other nonsense in the Soviet Union already in 1930's.

    From the economic pov having women work is good because it indeed should make a country more wealthy even though it would undercut male wages, however, if the capitalists after having all women and men working (-5%) come to you and say it is not enough, we need foreign labor then it means they want to grow beyond natural limit of the county. One good answer to the capitalist then would be that if you need more production for export go ahead and open a plant abroad but you won't be able to bring the products to our country and compete with people working here but we still will tax you on the profit.

    From the economic pov having women work is good because it indeed should make a country more wealthy even though it would undercut male wages, however, if the capitalists after having all women and men working (-5%)…

    Something else to consider is that by classifying the previously “shadow economy” of domestic labor, it will necessarily increase GDP presented whether or not if it actually increases the real services and goods provided. So if say, marriage was now reduced to purely transaction calculations of cleaning, food preparation and sexual engagement, each which is recorded with receipts, this not only vastly increases the number of produced services but also becomes a form of taxable income.

    So it is innately beneficial for a government to encourage the dissolution of the family to maximize its income, even before we consider the notion that the family as an unit is a competing form of governance and as Hayek teaches us, the state is a jealous god that seeks to monopolize all forms of power.

    I think this is part of an issue with the modern effort at quantification. Its useful – and necessary – that we understand the world through quantification of phenomenon with numbers, but some things are less easily quantifiable than others(happiness, social welfare, even long-term variability). Its fine to focus on what we can understand more than what we don’t, but it can dangerously lead to assuming that the less understood parts of the world don’t actually exist.

  169. @Anonymous
    We went over this in a previous thread. The middle class was already in the suburbs at the time of "white flight" in the 60s and 70s. The cause of family breakdown was female economic independence. The need for more incomes, cars, childcare, etc., is an effect of female economic independence and family breakdown. When women have more options, they become more expensive to satisfy. We see this family breakdown in other wealthy countries that have had female economic independence, like in countries in Europe which have not had immigration until very recently.

    Think about it like this. What would happen if the average man suddenly became a foot shorter than the average woman? What would happen to his attractiveness to women and his marriage prospects? Do you think they would stay the same, rise, or fall? This is basically what has happened: female economic independence have figuratively made women grow taller, which necessarily means that the average man is now relatively shorter. Women do not like short men. Female economic independence has made the average man into the economic and social equivalent of a midget:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3YR1ZTonc

    assume a woman wants kids and wants to give them the best start in life and thinks looking after those kids herself until they are some minimum age will give them the best start in life.

    in a context where a man’s income can allow her to do that then if *all* men were shorter they’d prefer the least short but they’d still pick a manlet over not being able to stay home with the kids.

    on the other hand you’re right that in a context where a man’s income is not enough to allow that choice then they’ll end up trying all sorts of other less optimal tactics – like focusing on a career of their own or competing in the thot wars for the 20% of men who can still provide that life (even if they were all manlets).

    • Replies: @Rosie

    on the other hand you’re right that in a context where a man’s income is not enough to allow that choice then they’ll end up trying all sorts of other less optimal tactics – like focusing on a career of their own or competing in the thot wars for the 20% of men who can still provide that life (even if they were all manlets).
     
    Correct. It would be very much in women's interests to expand the number of men who could "take us away from all this."

    I think that's why you see so many working class women supporting Trump.
  170. @anonymous coward
    Rosie, "the Patriarchy" isn't something that was invented by men.

    "The Patriarchy" was invented by women for women's benefit.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her. In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn. But what are the women to do in this hellish world? Cats are no substitute for a real man in your bed.

    Are you a lesbian?

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her.

    if his income was enough to allow her to stay home with the kids in an area with safe schools?

  171. @Mr. Hack
    This comment is actually adressed to AK, whom I see gave you a big 'Agree', but feel to free to chime in too. I don't see how Karlin can give you a big thumbs up (at least agreeing with the results of this poll), and still presumably be a seriouss advocate of the Triune theory? I mean really, these results indicate that the vast majority of Ukrainians are not interested anymore in supporting a Moscow based Orthodox church, but want a more native Orthodox church, reflecting their own sensibilites, not Russian ones. Everyone knows that UOC-MP is the last credible stronghold of Triunism in Ukraine, and it appears that its sway in Ukraine is quickly descending to nill. It looks like Karlin is still desperately clinging on to a view that is losing any lasting currency in Ukraine (basically on life support) - and he must know it! :-)

    The Ukrainians don’t cease being a subset of the All-Russian nation just because many of them fancy themselves discount Poles instead – this just make them dupes and renegades not just in the secular realm, but in the sacred one as well. Hopefully God will show them mercy, and only punish the evildoers who have led them astray.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Anatoly, so your position is that some day Ukraine will be part of Russia again?
    , @Anon
    Russia is either unwilling, or unable, or both, to do anything about Ukrainism. Ukraine may be a country without bright perspectives but it is independent and increasingly less influenced by Russia. Ukrainians may as well realise their dream of being discount Poles in this century.
  172. @Mikhail
    More bullshit:

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.
     
    There're neocon/neolib preferred Russians who most Crimeans differ with. Conversely, there're fortunately some Ukrainians (who I've the pleasure of knowing), who don't buy the anti-Russian BS and are readily accepted by mainstream pro-Russian elements.

    LOL, you didn’t even understand the comment you replied to.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    LOL you don't understand the reply, while thinking to know better.

    Quibble on.

  173. @Mitleser
    A part of the UNDP polls are also from the Yanuk. era and their results do not really differ from the results of the pre-Yanuk. era polls from 2009.

    Your claim is wrong.

    A part of the UNDP polls are also from the Yanuk. era and their results do not really differ from the results of the pre-Yanuk. era polls from 2009.

    Which ones and where? Was that in your post?

    You see a solid majority of Crimeans wanting to join Russia in all years except those when an ethnic Russian, Yanukovich, ruled Ukraine. And even then, 25% to 41% wanted to do so.

    Only outlier was the Russian Human Rights Council Poll in 2014.

    • Replies: @Anon

    ethnic Russian, Yanukovich
     
    Yanukovych was Belorussian you dumbo...
    , @Mitleser
    UNDP 2009 Q3 and UNDP 2009 Q4.

    Yanuk. was elected in Q1/2010.

    Russophile sentiments did basically not change between Q3/Q4 2009 and Q/4 2011 despite Yanuk's rule.

    Only outlier was the Russian Human Rights Council Poll in 2014.
     
    The other outliner are McCain's IRL and Kiev's KIIS.
  174. @Rosie
    You also need to consider the possibility that it is men who aren't interested in high-earning women, rather than the other way around. Also. There is some evidence to suggest that women earn more because they can't find husbands. IOW, the lack of marriage prospects, possibly caused, at least in part, by competition from pornography, actually encourages women to seek more remunerative careers!

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/single-women-m-b-a-s-will-downplay-career-ambitions-to-preserve-options-on-the-marriage-market/

    https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2372-man-shortage-men-drives-women-careers.html

    You also need to consider the possibility that it is men who aren’t interested in high-earning women, rather than the other way around.

    As we would have said in junior high “casual observation shows that there are plenty of men interested in high-earning women.”

  175. @AP

    It’s your credibility against his, then. But his claims are falsifiable, so if you challenge them and fail to refute them, that’s your credibility on the line.

    Let’s have a look again at some of those pieces that Anatoly linked to
     
    I went by his posts here. He was claiming that central Lviv was full of garbage, for example. As I wrote elsewhere -

    " Some of it is true, some exaggerations, and other things are just nonsense as is obvious to anyone who has been there. It’s like a detailed picture of America through the eyes of Buzzfeed, Black Lives Matter activists, etc. written by and for people who are clueless about the actual place but motivated to dislike it."

    I went by his posts here. He was claiming that central Lviv was full of garbage, for example.

    I take it you mean that he was the commenter here who made that claim. If so, that hardly qualifies as misinformation, since he provided a link to his source and you yourself agreed, if memory serves, that there had been some conflict or other that held up the collection of garbage.

    • Replies: @AP
    Either central Lviv was full of garbage or it was not. It was not. It was quite clean. The fact that garbage dumps outside the center were overflowing is a different matter. So he was writing nonsense when he claimed the city was full of garbage.
  176. @notanon
    assume a woman wants kids and wants to give them the best start in life and thinks looking after those kids herself until they are some minimum age will give them the best start in life.

    in a context where a man's income can allow her to do that then if *all* men were shorter they'd prefer the least short but they'd still pick a manlet over not being able to stay home with the kids.

    on the other hand you're right that in a context where a man's income is not enough to allow that choice then they'll end up trying all sorts of other less optimal tactics - like focusing on a career of their own or competing in the thot wars for the 20% of men who can still provide that life (even if they were all manlets).

    on the other hand you’re right that in a context where a man’s income is not enough to allow that choice then they’ll end up trying all sorts of other less optimal tactics – like focusing on a career of their own or competing in the thot wars for the 20% of men who can still provide that life (even if they were all manlets).

    Correct. It would be very much in women’s interests to expand the number of men who could “take us away from all this.”

    I think that’s why you see so many working class women supporting Trump.

    • Replies: @notanon

    I think that’s why you see so many working class women supporting Trump.
     
    yup
  177. @Swedish Family

    I went by his posts here. He was claiming that central Lviv was full of garbage, for example.
     
    I take it you mean that he was the commenter here who made that claim. If so, that hardly qualifies as misinformation, since he provided a link to his source and you yourself agreed, if memory serves, that there had been some conflict or other that held up the collection of garbage.

    Either central Lviv was full of garbage or it was not. It was not. It was quite clean. The fact that garbage dumps outside the center were overflowing is a different matter. So he was writing nonsense when he claimed the city was full of garbage.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Keep tap dancing over one particular, while ignoring your numerous foibles, including the one claiming that Gogol became more pro-Russian on account of an older age, leading to increased incoherence on his part.

    I recall that someone here expressed agreement to my reply to that fallacy - which noted a Soviet like psychiatry on your part. If anything, Gogol got wiser with age - something evident after his extended visit to the West.

  178. @Rosie

    Rosie, “the Patriarchy” isn’t something that was invented by men.

    “The Patriarchy” was invented by women for women’s benefit.
     
    I don't know about that. It's a factual question that I don't have the information to evaluate.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her.
     
    No I really don't know that.

    In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.
     
    I'm going to assume, for the sake of argument, that this is correct, though I don't believe it is. The solution is not to repress women, but to repatriate manufacturing and put a stop to high-skill H1-B type immigration.

    The problem with manosphere crybabies is that they seem to deliberately seek out solutions that will alienate any potential allies, rather than solutions that others will support. I can only conclude that it is an unserious movement of crybabies who want to share their feelings about how they're so hard done by rather than actually accomplishing something to improve men's lives.

    Of course, there is no guarantee that such measures would solve the problem, but you can't possibly know that until you've tried them, and you can't try them until you wrest control of the country for the hostile elite, and you can't wrest control of the country from the hostile elite by threatening and alienating one third of the electorate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn.
     
    Indeed, and how do you know it is not porn that is causing low marriage rates. You average girl can hardly compete with pornstars, and there are data to indicate that men aren't much interested in the average girl.

    Are you a lesbian?
     
    I've been married for twenty years.

    Does your husband earn less than you? There’s your answer.

    You miss the point. It is mathematically impossible for women to be sexually satisfied in a world with “equality” and without a “pay gap”. Women don’t want to share a bed with an ‘equal’ partner.

    Women will gladly take a 20% pay cut if it means a sexually satisfied, monogamous home life without adultery. The driver for ‘equality’ isn’t women, it’s men trying to optimize the economy.

    Sure, ‘the Patriarchy’ is not economically efficient, but it was magnificent in keeping both men and women happy and satisfied at home.

  179. @AP
    So man on the street is aware of what some UPA people sang in 1943 in Gleboczyce, Volhynia?

    Do you think when Germans see parades honoring Red Army soldiers they become afraid of getting raped? Parades honoring the Revolution make some Russians afraid of getting sent to a gulag?

    What a silly comment.

    Do you think when Germans see parades honoring Red Army soldiers they become afraid of getting raped? Parades honoring the Revolution make some Russians afraid of getting sent to a gulag?

    You conflate here random and non-ideological war crimes — very much by-products of any war — with the willful extermination of a whole people. They did sing “We slaughtered the Jews, we will slaughter the Poles, old and young, every one; we will slaughter the Poles, we will build Ukraine” before actually murdering some 100,000 — mostly defenseless — Poles.

    But the savagery of its murder sprees also sets the Ukrainian Insurgent Army apart from the Red Army, I think, for it speaks volumes about the kind of people who made it up and the kind of people who would, in 2018, erect statues and rename streets in their honor. As a quick refresher, here are some eyewitness accounts:

    Janowa Dolina massacre

    The perpetrators, commanded by Ivan Lytwynchuk (aka Dubowy) exercised rare cruelty. Poles, unprepared and caught by surprise, were hacked to death with axes, burned alive, and impaled (including children). The murderers did not spare anyone, regardless of age and sex. German garrison, numbering around 100 soldiers, did not act and remained in its barracks. After first wave of murders, the Ukrainian nationalists started searching the hospital. They carried its Ukrainian patients away from the building, while Polish patients were burned alive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janowa_Dolina_massacre

    Korosciatyn massacre

    According to one witness, Danuta Konieczna, who was ten years old, the fanaticized Ukrainian nationalists did not spare anybody, killing even babies in their cribs.

    In the morning, my parents went to the ruins of Korosciatyn. They heard stories which were difficult to believe. The Ukrainians got into the house of the Nowicki family. Mr Nowicki escaped, but the Banderites found his wife and their little daughter Barbara. Both were killed with axes, their skulls were crushed. Nowicki himself became insane and he walked around with his baby, who also survived, talking to everybody about his beloved wife and daughter

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korosciatyn_massacre

    Huta Pieniacka massacre

    Some time around noon a mixed force of Ukrainian SS and German soldiers and a strong contingent from the SS Freiwilligen Division “Galizien” surrounded Huta Pieniacka and herded the villagers into their barns.[10] The attackers set fire to the village and it burned all day. According to Bogusława Marcinkowska, a historian from Kraków’s office of the Institute of National Remembrance, the Ukrainians threw infants against walls and cut open the stomachs of pregnant women.[7] The murderers left at night. Many of them were drunk and singing songs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huta_Pieniacka_massacre

    Poryck massacre

    On 11 July 1943, units of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and OUN nationalists murdered Polish inhabitants of the town. Most people were killed during a ceremony in a local Roman Catholic church. The Ukrainian sotnia of 20 men surrounded and entered the church filled with people. They threw grenades at the faithful most of whom were women and children. Then they shot at them with machine guns and finally set fire to the church with survivors in hiding. Altogether 300 persons were murdered. Later on, Ukrainian nationalists burned what remained of the Czacki palace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlivka,_Volyn_Oblast#Poryck_1943_massacre_of_Poles

    Again, these are the people the Maidanites are erecting statutes of and renaming streets after, and you find the idea silly that this would have a chilling effect.

    • Replies: @AP
    Yes, I know. Incinerating 100,000s of German and Japanese civilians, including women and children even though neither Japan nor Germany occupied Americans lands, was not so bad by America's greatest generation but when primitive people slaughter people using their own cheap methods it is absolutely horrible.

    Volhynia, the scene of much of these atrocities, was a very backward place. After Orthodox Churches were being burned down by Polish government, peasants openly stated that they will slaughter Poles one day, and they did so. Nothing done there was much different from what, for example, Khmelnytsky's forces did in the 17th century, and for similar reasons. Or in the Balkans in the 1990s. Yet somehow Russians think Khmelnytsky was a great guy but Bandera was evil. Hmn..I wonder why? (for the record, I consider them both to have been very bad).

    But these modern Banderists have as much in common with those people committing atrocities in the woods 70 years ago as do the 53% of Russians who think Stalin was a great man have to do with 1930s NKVD torture chambers. One could point out to that statistic, describe grisly crimes committed in the 1930s, and then state how scary and chilling things are in modern Russia. That's kind of like what you try to peddle here.*

    As for "chilling effect" - here is a Jewish oligarch having fun with Banderist symbols:

    https://pdsnpsr.ru/uploads/illustration/image/0/15/1516/medium_536074_300.jpg

    Yes, it is so scary.

    There is a Bandera-themed bar in Lviv on the market square. Designed by the grandchild of a Soviet officer. There was a cute black cat named Bandera who lived in that place. One of the items on the menu was called "meat of Moskal."

    So scary and chilling.

    My Russian wife was almost as scared in that place as I was when I saw the COBA (reference to Stalin) restaurant in Chelyabinsk. It was chilling.

    *And you will say - that they are not building monuments to Stalin now. But Bandera, let's face it, was no Stalin.
  180. @Anatoly Karlin
    The Ukrainians don't cease being a subset of the All-Russian nation just because many of them fancy themselves discount Poles instead - this just make them dupes and renegades not just in the secular realm, but in the sacred one as well. Hopefully God will show them mercy, and only punish the evildoers who have led them astray.

    Anatoly, so your position is that some day Ukraine will be part of Russia again?

    • Replies: @iffen
    I think his position is that the Ukraine is a part of Russia and it is heresy/treason to think otherwise.
  181. The most memetastic League of Legends video ever:

  182. @Rosie

    on the other hand you’re right that in a context where a man’s income is not enough to allow that choice then they’ll end up trying all sorts of other less optimal tactics – like focusing on a career of their own or competing in the thot wars for the 20% of men who can still provide that life (even if they were all manlets).
     
    Correct. It would be very much in women's interests to expand the number of men who could "take us away from all this."

    I think that's why you see so many working class women supporting Trump.

    I think that’s why you see so many working class women supporting Trump.

    yup

  183. @AP
    LOL, you didn't even understand the comment you replied to.

    LOL you don’t understand the reply, while thinking to know better.

    Quibble on.

  184. @AP
    Either central Lviv was full of garbage or it was not. It was not. It was quite clean. The fact that garbage dumps outside the center were overflowing is a different matter. So he was writing nonsense when he claimed the city was full of garbage.

    Keep tap dancing over one particular, while ignoring your numerous foibles, including the one claiming that Gogol became more pro-Russian on account of an older age, leading to increased incoherence on his part.

    I recall that someone here expressed agreement to my reply to that fallacy – which noted a Soviet like psychiatry on your part. If anything, Gogol got wiser with age – something evident after his extended visit to the West.

  185. @Anonymous
    Anatoly, so your position is that some day Ukraine will be part of Russia again?

    I think his position is that the Ukraine is a part of Russia and it is heresy/treason to think otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I wasn't aware of this. Is this what most Russians think?

    Do most Russians think Ukranians will come to their senses or do they think war will be needed?
  186. @Dmitry
    In general, it's a sign of weakness to be effected too much by temperatures. But it's nonetheless, also a sign of how far Ukraine's infrastructure has fallen. Anyone in 2018, should deserve a warm apartment. Soviet engineers were pretty competent for creating certain kinds of infrastructure (modern Ukraine, would not likely be able to construct Kiev metro either).

    Russian cities switch off the hot water supply for maintenance as late as October. I have had unavoidable cold showers more than once during an Autumn visit.

    I am trying to give up commenting on blogs. Addictions are tough to break.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    And lol, in modern Kiev, "switching off the hot water supply for maintenance" for 6 months.

    By the way, way give up commenting on blogs? It's good mental stimulation or at least sometimes exercises your brain.
  187. @Swedish Family

    Do you think when Germans see parades honoring Red Army soldiers they become afraid of getting raped? Parades honoring the Revolution make some Russians afraid of getting sent to a gulag?
     
    You conflate here random and non-ideological war crimes -- very much by-products of any war -- with the willful extermination of a whole people. They did sing "We slaughtered the Jews, we will slaughter the Poles, old and young, every one; we will slaughter the Poles, we will build Ukraine" before actually murdering some 100,000 -- mostly defenseless -- Poles.

    But the savagery of its murder sprees also sets the Ukrainian Insurgent Army apart from the Red Army, I think, for it speaks volumes about the kind of people who made it up and the kind of people who would, in 2018, erect statues and rename streets in their honor. As a quick refresher, here are some eyewitness accounts:

    Janowa Dolina massacre


    The perpetrators, commanded by Ivan Lytwynchuk (aka Dubowy) exercised rare cruelty. Poles, unprepared and caught by surprise, were hacked to death with axes, burned alive, and impaled (including children). The murderers did not spare anyone, regardless of age and sex. German garrison, numbering around 100 soldiers, did not act and remained in its barracks. After first wave of murders, the Ukrainian nationalists started searching the hospital. They carried its Ukrainian patients away from the building, while Polish patients were burned alive.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janowa_Dolina_massacre

    Korosciatyn massacre


    According to one witness, Danuta Konieczna, who was ten years old, the fanaticized Ukrainian nationalists did not spare anybody, killing even babies in their cribs.
     

    In the morning, my parents went to the ruins of Korosciatyn. They heard stories which were difficult to believe. The Ukrainians got into the house of the Nowicki family. Mr Nowicki escaped, but the Banderites found his wife and their little daughter Barbara. Both were killed with axes, their skulls were crushed. Nowicki himself became insane and he walked around with his baby, who also survived, talking to everybody about his beloved wife and daughter
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korosciatyn_massacre


    Huta Pieniacka massacre


    Some time around noon a mixed force of Ukrainian SS and German soldiers and a strong contingent from the SS Freiwilligen Division "Galizien" surrounded Huta Pieniacka and herded the villagers into their barns.[10] The attackers set fire to the village and it burned all day. According to Bogusława Marcinkowska, a historian from Kraków's office of the Institute of National Remembrance, the Ukrainians threw infants against walls and cut open the stomachs of pregnant women.[7] The murderers left at night. Many of them were drunk and singing songs.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huta_Pieniacka_massacre


    Poryck massacre


    On 11 July 1943, units of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and OUN nationalists murdered Polish inhabitants of the town. Most people were killed during a ceremony in a local Roman Catholic church. The Ukrainian sotnia of 20 men surrounded and entered the church filled with people. They threw grenades at the faithful most of whom were women and children. Then they shot at them with machine guns and finally set fire to the church with survivors in hiding. Altogether 300 persons were murdered. Later on, Ukrainian nationalists burned what remained of the Czacki palace.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlivka,_Volyn_Oblast#Poryck_1943_massacre_of_Poles


    Again, these are the people the Maidanites are erecting statutes of and renaming streets after, and you find the idea silly that this would have a chilling effect.

    Yes, I know. Incinerating 100,000s of German and Japanese civilians, including women and children even though neither Japan nor Germany occupied Americans lands, was not so bad by America’s greatest generation but when primitive people slaughter people using their own cheap methods it is absolutely horrible.

    Volhynia, the scene of much of these atrocities, was a very backward place. After Orthodox Churches were being burned down by Polish government, peasants openly stated that they will slaughter Poles one day, and they did so. Nothing done there was much different from what, for example, Khmelnytsky’s forces did in the 17th century, and for similar reasons. Or in the Balkans in the 1990s. Yet somehow Russians think Khmelnytsky was a great guy but Bandera was evil. Hmn..I wonder why? (for the record, I consider them both to have been very bad).

    But these modern Banderists have as much in common with those people committing atrocities in the woods 70 years ago as do the 53% of Russians who think Stalin was a great man have to do with 1930s NKVD torture chambers. One could point out to that statistic, describe grisly crimes committed in the 1930s, and then state how scary and chilling things are in modern Russia. That’s kind of like what you try to peddle here.*

    As for “chilling effect” – here is a Jewish oligarch having fun with Banderist symbols:

    Yes, it is so scary.

    There is a Bandera-themed bar in Lviv on the market square. Designed by the grandchild of a Soviet officer. There was a cute black cat named Bandera who lived in that place. One of the items on the menu was called “meat of Moskal.”

    So scary and chilling.

    My Russian wife was almost as scared in that place as I was when I saw the COBA (reference to Stalin) restaurant in Chelyabinsk. It was chilling.

    *And you will say – that they are not building monuments to Stalin now. But Bandera, let’s face it, was no Stalin.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    It's just arguing about what a parallel dimension modern Ukraine's school system exists in, where a generation now think this is cool cosplay.

    In real life, Banderovites were participating in massacres of Jews and Poles.

    But in Ukraine, people who go to school in 1990s and 2000s must have received some "interesting" history lessons.

    My friend was spamming about this story below a couple years ago.

    -

    Lead host of Israel's Channel 9 (News Channel) - Ukrainian nationalist with Bandera shirt.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/mevaker/20840091/94117/94117_original.jpg

    Meanwhile, Israelis - including old people who were living in the war - are receiving their news about Israeli parliament from this girl.

    https://i.imgur.com/yQvi5dY.jpg


    https://www.instagram.com/p/BK-NMmTDn6z


    How do manage this cognitive dissonance ?
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1033145843471856&set=pb.100003293490210.-2207520000.1540766341.&type=3&theater

    At least they have some kind of sense of humour about the contradiction-
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1538103779642724&set=pb.100003293490210.-2207520000.1540766432.&type=1&theater


    -

    So obviously also people exist who have shirts with Che Guevara or Stalin. Two errors do not give the right one. I could buy a Hitler shirt?

    , @Mikhail

    *And you will say – that they are not building monuments to Stalin now. But Bandera, let’s face it, was no Stalin.
     
    On account of the former not having the same numbers and power base as the latter. Pound for pound, the indications are that Bandera wouldn't have been better - quite likely worse.
  188. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP

    While it’s obviously biased against Maidanism, the person who runs knows the Ukraine well
     
    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    It's like a guy in Russia who has access to and reads only NBC and stuff to the left of it knowing USA well.

    * RT: Senior Russian Orthodox cleric says Constantinople’s recognition of schismatic Ukrainian church has invalidated its preeminent position in global Orthodoxy
     
    Well, the Jerusalem Patriarch seems to support Constantinople:

    https://orthodoxia.info/news/constantinople-jerusalem-strengthen-ties-in-response-to-moscow-decision/

    * Vzglyad: 403/413 monks in Odessa monastery voted to remain with UOC-MP [in Russian]. Looks like Filaret will have a hard slog, at least without help from Ukrainian nationalists.
     
    The UOC-MP is down to 15% -20% of Ukraine's Orthodox believers. It's the more pro-Russian group leftover group. plus those who are sticklers to recognition. Many of the pro-Ukrainian ones have already left or been purged. I'd expect perhaps 1/3 to defect, the pro-Ukrainian ones who were reluctant due to lack of recognition but who now have a way out. It will be a Church for Crimeans, ethnic Russians, and local Russian nationalist cranks.

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.

    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate. I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don’t quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited. If you can’t do that, your criticism of me suck big hairy balls, and you are not worth talking to.

    YOURS TRULLY, INSOMNIAC RESURRECTED

    • Replies: @AP

    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate
     
    LOL. With other bad sources.

    I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don’t quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.
     
    That's the least of what you don't understand.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited
     
    Why should I do your job?

    This isn't about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting).

    No evidence there was something "deliberate" about the change. The speech in Ukraine was flooded with Polish words during hundreds of years of Polish rule, just as the speech in England was flooded with French words after the Norman invasion. Nothing "deliberate" in either case. Those old city names in Ukraine simply preceded Polish rule. So you took a banal and well-known fact (Ukrainian language is loaded with Polish words, as English is with French words and for similar reasons) and added a fantasy to it, commonly held by Russian nationalists, that this was part of a deliberate ploy to differentiate Ukrainian from Russian. Yawn.

    It's why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.
  189. @AP

    A part of the UNDP polls are also from the Yanuk. era and their results do not really differ from the results of the pre-Yanuk. era polls from 2009.
     
    Which ones and where? Was that in your post?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd0XalKUIAALhHO.jpg

    You see a solid majority of Crimeans wanting to join Russia in all years except those when an ethnic Russian, Yanukovich, ruled Ukraine. And even then, 25% to 41% wanted to do so.

    Only outlier was the Russian Human Rights Council Poll in 2014.

    ethnic Russian, Yanukovich

    Yanukovych was Belorussian you dumbo…

    • Replies: @AP
    Belarussian father, Russian mother, ignoramus.
  190. @Anon

    ethnic Russian, Yanukovich
     
    Yanukovych was Belorussian you dumbo...

    Belarussian father, Russian mother, ignoramus.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I also have a Russian mother, and a German grandmother, Ukrainian grandfather... but I'm Czech.
    , @Mikhail
    Born on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR and elected as Ukraine's president, before being overthrown under coup like circumstances - svido propaganda aside.
  191. @Anatoly Karlin
    The Ukrainians don't cease being a subset of the All-Russian nation just because many of them fancy themselves discount Poles instead - this just make them dupes and renegades not just in the secular realm, but in the sacred one as well. Hopefully God will show them mercy, and only punish the evildoers who have led them astray.

    Russia is either unwilling, or unable, or both, to do anything about Ukrainism. Ukraine may be a country without bright perspectives but it is independent and increasingly less influenced by Russia. Ukrainians may as well realise their dream of being discount Poles in this century.

  192. @AP
    Belarussian father, Russian mother, ignoramus.

    I also have a Russian mother, and a German grandmother, Ukrainian grandfather… but I’m Czech.

    • Replies: @AP
    By citizenship and place of birth. Your interests are in Russia.
  193. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mikhail
    More bullshit:

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.
     
    There're neocon/neolib preferred Russians who most Crimeans differ with. Conversely, there're fortunately some Ukrainians (who I've the pleasure of knowing), who don't buy the anti-Russian BS and are readily accepted by mainstream pro-Russian elements.

    In other words, Crimeans were only satisfied being part of Ukraine when Ukraine was ruled by a Russian, all other times they were dissatisfied.

    It is almost like West Ukrainians were dissatisfied with Yanukovych, and were bused into Kiev to protest against him.

    Why hasn’t Ukraine created a system where the rights and sensitivities would be accounted for. Instead the constitution of Ukraine is that of a centralised, unitary and presidential republic. Completely unsuited to the format of Ukraine but well suited for sultanism, as Alexander Motyl called it. Although, the latter does not call Poroshenko’s reign sultanism because he clearly is on Poroshenko’s payroll.

  194. @Anon

    He just repeats what he is told from Russian media and from former Yanukovich media within Ukraine.
     
    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate. I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don't quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited. If you can't do that, your criticism of me suck big hairy balls, and you are not worth talking to.

    YOURS TRULLY, INSOMNIAC RESURRECTED

    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate

    LOL. With other bad sources.

    I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don’t quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.

    That’s the least of what you don’t understand.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited

    Why should I do your job?

    This isn’t about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting).

    No evidence there was something “deliberate” about the change. The speech in Ukraine was flooded with Polish words during hundreds of years of Polish rule, just as the speech in England was flooded with French words after the Norman invasion. Nothing “deliberate” in either case. Those old city names in Ukraine simply preceded Polish rule. So you took a banal and well-known fact (Ukrainian language is loaded with Polish words, as English is with French words and for similar reasons) and added a fantasy to it, commonly held by Russian nationalists, that this was part of a deliberate ploy to differentiate Ukrainian from Russian. Yawn.

    It’s why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Typical "Yanukovych media" = e.g. Korrespondent, which is mostly factual, but features many sensationalist stories on both Russia and the Ukraine (for clickbait, not ideological, reasons). Highly r-selected comments largely consisting of svidomy and vatniks trolling each other, though it does occasionally purge its Russophile commentariat. Not exactly a tool of Russian influence.

    "True" Ukrainian media = e.g. Censor.net, a deranged svidomy resource jampacked with crazed Ukrainian nationalists who mostly write in Russian. Though there are a few respectable publications here, e.g. Ukrayinska Pravda. One of the very few news websites where you see intelligent Ukrainian language comments.

    There are a few overt Russian-sponsored projects, Ukraina.ru (which the South Russian nationalist Chalenko writes for) comes to mind, but they are marginal on the Ukrainian informational field.
    , @Anon

    Why should I do your job?
     
    Because your criticism of me is invalid and dishonest. And as I said, if you can't produce names of websites that I ought to use, instead of those that I am using, you are not worth talking to.

    Have a nice day.
    , @Mr. Hack

    This isn’t about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting)...It’s why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.
     
    I totally agree with your assessment of this 'Czech's' latest addition to his 'new' butthurting blog. You've actually done him the service of summarizing his 'findings' and coming up with a conclusion, because he doesn't seem bright enough to do so himself (he doesn't actually come out and claim that 'there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish' but this most probably is what he was aiming to achieve with his 'brilliant' latest installment),

    I think that I'll allow this 'Insomniac' to wallow away in his own bed of unresolved domestic ethnic conundrums. As far as his resurrection is concerned, I feel it's best to allow sleeping dogs to lie! :-)

  195. @Philip Owen
    Russian cities switch off the hot water supply for maintenance as late as October. I have had unavoidable cold showers more than once during an Autumn visit.

    I am trying to give up commenting on blogs. Addictions are tough to break.

    And lol, in modern Kiev, “switching off the hot water supply for maintenance” for 6 months.

    By the way, way give up commenting on blogs? It’s good mental stimulation or at least sometimes exercises your brain.

  196. @Anon
    I also have a Russian mother, and a German grandmother, Ukrainian grandfather... but I'm Czech.

    By citizenship and place of birth. Your interests are in Russia.

  197. @AP

    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate
     
    LOL. With other bad sources.

    I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don’t quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.
     
    That's the least of what you don't understand.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited
     
    Why should I do your job?

    This isn't about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting).

    No evidence there was something "deliberate" about the change. The speech in Ukraine was flooded with Polish words during hundreds of years of Polish rule, just as the speech in England was flooded with French words after the Norman invasion. Nothing "deliberate" in either case. Those old city names in Ukraine simply preceded Polish rule. So you took a banal and well-known fact (Ukrainian language is loaded with Polish words, as English is with French words and for similar reasons) and added a fantasy to it, commonly held by Russian nationalists, that this was part of a deliberate ploy to differentiate Ukrainian from Russian. Yawn.

    It's why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.

    Typical “Yanukovych media” = e.g. Korrespondent, which is mostly factual, but features many sensationalist stories on both Russia and the Ukraine (for clickbait, not ideological, reasons). Highly r-selected comments largely consisting of svidomy and vatniks trolling each other, though it does occasionally purge its Russophile commentariat. Not exactly a tool of Russian influence.

    “True” Ukrainian media = e.g. Censor.net, a deranged svidomy resource jampacked with crazed Ukrainian nationalists who mostly write in Russian. Though there are a few respectable publications here, e.g. Ukrayinska Pravda. One of the very few news websites where you see intelligent Ukrainian language comments.

    There are a few overt Russian-sponsored projects, Ukraina.ru (which the South Russian nationalist Chalenko writes for) comes to mind, but they are marginal on the Ukrainian informational field.

    • Replies: @AP
    When I looked at links from Ukraine by Ukraine "experts", they were often written by or interviews with people from the Yanukovich administration, discussing the post-Maidan situation.

    But there is also Buzina's newspaper Сегодня, and Вести. The latter has murky links to Yanukovich clan member Victor Polishchuk.
    , @Anon

    There are a few overt Russian-sponsored projects, Ukraina.ru (which the South Russian nationalist Chalenko writes for) comes to mind, but they are marginal on the Ukrainian informational field.
     
    I heard the accusation that Chalenko is an SBU informant... But I would use Ukraina.ru if they published something interesting. At present I am grappling with Polish to translate a funny post from a Polish website.

    I honestly cannot accept the accusation that I only use Russian or Yanukovych (whatever that is) sources only. It is very dishonest, and factually untrue.
  198. @iffen
    I think his position is that the Ukraine is a part of Russia and it is heresy/treason to think otherwise.

    I wasn’t aware of this. Is this what most Russians think?

    Do most Russians think Ukranians will come to their senses or do they think war will be needed?

    • Replies: @iffen
    Is this what most Russians think?

    I assume that this is what most Russian nationalists think. Irredentism is a standard feature of vigorous nationalism.
    , @Dmitry
    Obviously, coups aside, people living in Ukraine have a right to self-determination and self-governance, to create their own national identity if that's what people want.*

    Escalation of conflict with Kiev, would be a worst possible outcome. With economic development, Kiev might even become a more normal and peaceful leaders, like in a more developed country - that does not have fanatical desires to re-write history, erase part of their public's culture, then bomb parts of the land when they resist this.

    If Ukraine becomes a more developed and less fanatical country by 2030, this would be cool. Attitude of the leadership might even change in a few years - it's happening in Georgia.

    -

    *Although America is not able to talk about this, considering what occurred to the Confederate states between 1861-65.
  199. @AP
    Yes, I know. Incinerating 100,000s of German and Japanese civilians, including women and children even though neither Japan nor Germany occupied Americans lands, was not so bad by America's greatest generation but when primitive people slaughter people using their own cheap methods it is absolutely horrible.

    Volhynia, the scene of much of these atrocities, was a very backward place. After Orthodox Churches were being burned down by Polish government, peasants openly stated that they will slaughter Poles one day, and they did so. Nothing done there was much different from what, for example, Khmelnytsky's forces did in the 17th century, and for similar reasons. Or in the Balkans in the 1990s. Yet somehow Russians think Khmelnytsky was a great guy but Bandera was evil. Hmn..I wonder why? (for the record, I consider them both to have been very bad).

    But these modern Banderists have as much in common with those people committing atrocities in the woods 70 years ago as do the 53% of Russians who think Stalin was a great man have to do with 1930s NKVD torture chambers. One could point out to that statistic, describe grisly crimes committed in the 1930s, and then state how scary and chilling things are in modern Russia. That's kind of like what you try to peddle here.*

    As for "chilling effect" - here is a Jewish oligarch having fun with Banderist symbols:

    https://pdsnpsr.ru/uploads/illustration/image/0/15/1516/medium_536074_300.jpg

    Yes, it is so scary.

    There is a Bandera-themed bar in Lviv on the market square. Designed by the grandchild of a Soviet officer. There was a cute black cat named Bandera who lived in that place. One of the items on the menu was called "meat of Moskal."

    So scary and chilling.

    My Russian wife was almost as scared in that place as I was when I saw the COBA (reference to Stalin) restaurant in Chelyabinsk. It was chilling.

    *And you will say - that they are not building monuments to Stalin now. But Bandera, let's face it, was no Stalin.

    It’s just arguing about what a parallel dimension modern Ukraine’s school system exists in, where a generation now think this is cool cosplay.

    In real life, Banderovites were participating in massacres of Jews and Poles.

    But in Ukraine, people who go to school in 1990s and 2000s must have received some “interesting” history lessons.

    My friend was spamming about this story below a couple years ago.

    Lead host of Israel’s Channel 9 (News Channel) – Ukrainian nationalist with Bandera shirt.

    Meanwhile, Israelis – including old people who were living in the war – are receiving their news about Israeli parliament from this girl.

    How do manage this cognitive dissonance ?

    Вся суть выражена в одном фото. Не забывать.Простите за пафос.

    Posted by Daria Nenakhova on Wednesday, May 4, 2016

    At least they have some kind of sense of humour about the contradiction-

    Майн штандартенфюрер! Люблю тебя очень сильно и много. Будь бесконечно счастлив и невозможно богат. Обнимаю, пытаюсь протрезветь в твою честь. С Днем Рождения, душа моя 🙌🏼❤️

    Posted by Daria Nenakhova on Thursday, October 12, 2017

    So obviously also people exist who have shirts with Che Guevara or Stalin. Two errors do not give the right one. I could buy a Hitler shirt?

    • Replies: @AP

    It’s just arguing about what a parallel dimension modern Ukraine’s school system exists in, where a generation now think this is cool cosplay.

    In real life, Banderovites were participating in massacres of Jews and Poles.
     
    And in real life Americans were massacring Germans and Japanese. They had the money and means to do it from the skies. And Germany and Japan never invaded the USA (was Hawaii a real core US land?). But Poland occupied western Ukraine and the local Polish government planned to expel most ethnic Ukrainians (the majority) from their homeland after the war. Both sides committed crimes, but whose crimes had more reasonable motive? But Americans celebrate their greatest generation. How many Arabs have died in actions that make Israel safe? How many 100,000s of civilians died due to the calculated actions of evil Soviet partisans? Will Russians spit on the memory of partisans? But Ukrainians, alone, don't have a right to have idealized fairtytales about people with dark aspects of their past.

    So obviously also people exist who have shirts with Che Guevara or Stalin. Two errors do not give the right one. I could buy a Hitler shirt?
     
    Bandera was no Hitler or Stalin. Maybe a Che Guevara.
  200. @Dmitry
    It's just arguing about what a parallel dimension modern Ukraine's school system exists in, where a generation now think this is cool cosplay.

    In real life, Banderovites were participating in massacres of Jews and Poles.

    But in Ukraine, people who go to school in 1990s and 2000s must have received some "interesting" history lessons.

    My friend was spamming about this story below a couple years ago.

    -

    Lead host of Israel's Channel 9 (News Channel) - Ukrainian nationalist with Bandera shirt.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/mevaker/20840091/94117/94117_original.jpg

    Meanwhile, Israelis - including old people who were living in the war - are receiving their news about Israeli parliament from this girl.

    https://i.imgur.com/yQvi5dY.jpg


    https://www.instagram.com/p/BK-NMmTDn6z


    How do manage this cognitive dissonance ?
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1033145843471856&set=pb.100003293490210.-2207520000.1540766341.&type=3&theater

    At least they have some kind of sense of humour about the contradiction-
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1538103779642724&set=pb.100003293490210.-2207520000.1540766432.&type=1&theater


    -

    So obviously also people exist who have shirts with Che Guevara or Stalin. Two errors do not give the right one. I could buy a Hitler shirt?

    It’s just arguing about what a parallel dimension modern Ukraine’s school system exists in, where a generation now think this is cool cosplay.

    In real life, Banderovites were participating in massacres of Jews and Poles.

    And in real life Americans were massacring Germans and Japanese. They had the money and means to do it from the skies. And Germany and Japan never invaded the USA (was Hawaii a real core US land?). But Poland occupied western Ukraine and the local Polish government planned to expel most ethnic Ukrainians (the majority) from their homeland after the war. Both sides committed crimes, but whose crimes had more reasonable motive? But Americans celebrate their greatest generation. How many Arabs have died in actions that make Israel safe? How many 100,000s of civilians died due to the calculated actions of evil Soviet partisans? Will Russians spit on the memory of partisans? But Ukrainians, alone, don’t have a right to have idealized fairtytales about people with dark aspects of their past.

    So obviously also people exist who have shirts with Che Guevara or Stalin. Two errors do not give the right one. I could buy a Hitler shirt?

    Bandera was no Hitler or Stalin. Maybe a Che Guevara.

    • Replies: @Mikhail

    Bandera was no Hitler or Stalin. Maybe a Che Guevara.
     
    Guevara didn't come across more as a worldly though misguided IMO internationalist than a nationalist - once again noting that Bandera pound for pound was very much a murdering expansionist fiend.
  201. @Anonymous
    I wasn't aware of this. Is this what most Russians think?

    Do most Russians think Ukranians will come to their senses or do they think war will be needed?

    Is this what most Russians think?

    I assume that this is what most Russian nationalists think. Irredentism is a standard feature of vigorous nationalism.

  202. @Anonymous
    I wasn't aware of this. Is this what most Russians think?

    Do most Russians think Ukranians will come to their senses or do they think war will be needed?

    Obviously, coups aside, people living in Ukraine have a right to self-determination and self-governance, to create their own national identity if that’s what people want.*

    Escalation of conflict with Kiev, would be a worst possible outcome. With economic development, Kiev might even become a more normal and peaceful leaders, like in a more developed country – that does not have fanatical desires to re-write history, erase part of their public’s culture, then bomb parts of the land when they resist this.

    If Ukraine becomes a more developed and less fanatical country by 2030, this would be cool. Attitude of the leadership might even change in a few years – it’s happening in Georgia.

    *Although America is not able to talk about this, considering what occurred to the Confederate states between 1861-65.

    • Replies: @Mikhail

    If Ukraine becomes a more developed and less fanatical country by 2030, this would be cool. Attitude of the leadership might even change in a few years – it’s happening in Georgia.

     

    A Georgian political figure had pretty much expressed the same regarding Russia-Georgia and Ukraine-Georgia:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/439961-georgia-russia-geography-destiny/

    One of the more informative shows among the 24/7 English language TV news networks. One on one roughly half hour segments, with a broad range of views, minus the kind of interrupting insults that prop up elsewhere.
  203. *Although America is not able to talk about this,

    I was thinking the same thing. The Ukraine is virtual recreation of the slave states in 1861.

    • Replies: @AP
    Except centuries of different history, different language, etc. And no slavery.
  204. @AP
    Yes, I know. Incinerating 100,000s of German and Japanese civilians, including women and children even though neither Japan nor Germany occupied Americans lands, was not so bad by America's greatest generation but when primitive people slaughter people using their own cheap methods it is absolutely horrible.

    Volhynia, the scene of much of these atrocities, was a very backward place. After Orthodox Churches were being burned down by Polish government, peasants openly stated that they will slaughter Poles one day, and they did so. Nothing done there was much different from what, for example, Khmelnytsky's forces did in the 17th century, and for similar reasons. Or in the Balkans in the 1990s. Yet somehow Russians think Khmelnytsky was a great guy but Bandera was evil. Hmn..I wonder why? (for the record, I consider them both to have been very bad).

    But these modern Banderists have as much in common with those people committing atrocities in the woods 70 years ago as do the 53% of Russians who think Stalin was a great man have to do with 1930s NKVD torture chambers. One could point out to that statistic, describe grisly crimes committed in the 1930s, and then state how scary and chilling things are in modern Russia. That's kind of like what you try to peddle here.*

    As for "chilling effect" - here is a Jewish oligarch having fun with Banderist symbols:

    https://pdsnpsr.ru/uploads/illustration/image/0/15/1516/medium_536074_300.jpg

    Yes, it is so scary.

    There is a Bandera-themed bar in Lviv on the market square. Designed by the grandchild of a Soviet officer. There was a cute black cat named Bandera who lived in that place. One of the items on the menu was called "meat of Moskal."

    So scary and chilling.

    My Russian wife was almost as scared in that place as I was when I saw the COBA (reference to Stalin) restaurant in Chelyabinsk. It was chilling.

    *And you will say - that they are not building monuments to Stalin now. But Bandera, let's face it, was no Stalin.

    *And you will say – that they are not building monuments to Stalin now. But Bandera, let’s face it, was no Stalin.

    On account of the former not having the same numbers and power base as the latter. Pound for pound, the indications are that Bandera wouldn’t have been better – quite likely worse.

    • Replies: @AP
    No, pound for pound Bandera was Lenin-deadly, not Stalin-deadly. Also, his ideology wanted Ukraine clear of Poles and Russians and Jews but was not expansionist nor aggressive towards those peoples not in Ukraine. OUN had cells in Krakow and Warsaw but unlike Chechens in Moscow, didn't kill any civilians there.

    Basically it was a national liberation movement like IRA for the genocidal "Bloodlands."

  205. @AP
    Belarussian father, Russian mother, ignoramus.

    Born on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR and elected as Ukraine’s president, before being overthrown under coup like circumstances – svido propaganda aside.

    • Replies: @AP

    Born on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR and elected as Ukraine’s president
     
    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.
  206. @AP

    It’s just arguing about what a parallel dimension modern Ukraine’s school system exists in, where a generation now think this is cool cosplay.

    In real life, Banderovites were participating in massacres of Jews and Poles.
     
    And in real life Americans were massacring Germans and Japanese. They had the money and means to do it from the skies. And Germany and Japan never invaded the USA (was Hawaii a real core US land?). But Poland occupied western Ukraine and the local Polish government planned to expel most ethnic Ukrainians (the majority) from their homeland after the war. Both sides committed crimes, but whose crimes had more reasonable motive? But Americans celebrate their greatest generation. How many Arabs have died in actions that make Israel safe? How many 100,000s of civilians died due to the calculated actions of evil Soviet partisans? Will Russians spit on the memory of partisans? But Ukrainians, alone, don't have a right to have idealized fairtytales about people with dark aspects of their past.

    So obviously also people exist who have shirts with Che Guevara or Stalin. Two errors do not give the right one. I could buy a Hitler shirt?
     
    Bandera was no Hitler or Stalin. Maybe a Che Guevara.

    Bandera was no Hitler or Stalin. Maybe a Che Guevara.

    Guevara didn’t come across more as a worldly though misguided IMO internationalist than a nationalist – once again noting that Bandera pound for pound was very much a murdering expansionist fiend.

  207. @Dmitry
    Obviously, coups aside, people living in Ukraine have a right to self-determination and self-governance, to create their own national identity if that's what people want.*

    Escalation of conflict with Kiev, would be a worst possible outcome. With economic development, Kiev might even become a more normal and peaceful leaders, like in a more developed country - that does not have fanatical desires to re-write history, erase part of their public's culture, then bomb parts of the land when they resist this.

    If Ukraine becomes a more developed and less fanatical country by 2030, this would be cool. Attitude of the leadership might even change in a few years - it's happening in Georgia.

    -

    *Although America is not able to talk about this, considering what occurred to the Confederate states between 1861-65.

    If Ukraine becomes a more developed and less fanatical country by 2030, this would be cool. Attitude of the leadership might even change in a few years – it’s happening in Georgia.

    A Georgian political figure had pretty much expressed the same regarding Russia-Georgia and Ukraine-Georgia:

    https://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/439961-georgia-russia-geography-destiny/

    One of the more informative shows among the 24/7 English language TV news networks. One on one roughly half hour segments, with a broad range of views, minus the kind of interrupting insults that prop up elsewhere.

  208. Thanks for the reply – it only consolidates my views about you as being romantically lost in a reality that doesn’t exist. Firstly, there is no ‘All Russian nation’. At best, it’s a political idea that never existed. Reality shows us that separate nations developed out of a medieval conglomeration of often warring principalities know as Rus. You can’t recreate something that never existed in the first place – therefore you’re trying to push a fairy tale.

    Secondly, I find your admonitions referencing God as comical if not illogical. Doesn’t your bio clearly state that you’re a ‘Russian Orthodox atheist‘? This is also clearly a non-sequitur. An atheist cannot be an Orthodox Christian, no matter how hard he tries. Your appeals to a God that you don’t believe in are falling on deaf, non-extant ears. It’s funny, if not pathetic?

    ‘Discount Poles’ – the only thing that deserves discounting are your opinions regarding the Ukrainian nation. You’re really ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters, as I’ve indicated before, you’ve never even read one single book related to Ukrainian history. Even Averko has read Subtelny’s history! 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon

    ‘Discount Poles’ – the only thing that deserves discounting are your opinions regarding the Ukrainian nation. You’re really ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters...
     
    Discount Poles is actually a fitting term, and definitely does not come from someone ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters. It is actually very close to defining the essence of Ukrainism.

    Ukrainian nationalism is actually a political movement that aims to create a nation out of a polonised creole culture on the territory of Ukraine.

    And you will not get a better definition anywhere, not even in Subtelny.
  209. @Mikhail

    *And you will say – that they are not building monuments to Stalin now. But Bandera, let’s face it, was no Stalin.
     
    On account of the former not having the same numbers and power base as the latter. Pound for pound, the indications are that Bandera wouldn't have been better - quite likely worse.

    No, pound for pound Bandera was Lenin-deadly, not Stalin-deadly. Also, his ideology wanted Ukraine clear of Poles and Russians and Jews but was not expansionist nor aggressive towards those peoples not in Ukraine. OUN had cells in Krakow and Warsaw but unlike Chechens in Moscow, didn’t kill any civilians there.

    Basically it was a national liberation movement like IRA for the genocidal “Bloodlands.”

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Bandera violently sought his vision of an independent Ukraine in a way that included extremely murderous action in WW II, beyond what the IRA actually did on the whole. Hence, it's quite reasonable to surmise that if Bandera had the resources, he'd be every bit as violent as Stalin pound for pound, if not more so, in pursuing that aim. Bandera like Stalin, also violently opposed opponents otherwise allied to the cause of an independent Ukraine.

    Stalin represented a larger chunk of land in the USSR. He went against those opposing world revolution in a practical way. That pragmatism went into the tail end of WW II and thereafter. His forces didn't have to pull out of Austria. They did on the basis of an agreement with the West that Austria would be neutral. Instead of really sticking it to Finland, he allowed for a non-Soviet bloc, but neutral Finland. In Greece, he didn't come to the aid of the Communists there, in order to honor his agreement with the West. The pro-Soviet bloc states in eastern and central Europe were created to better ensure the defense of the USSR against any future attack from the West.
    , @DFH

    Basically it was a national liberation movement like IRA
     
    Not even close, the IRA (in either incarnation) did not want to remove Ulstermen/Protestants from Ireland, let alone start burning Presbyterian churches. And Poles have done a lot less to Ukrainians than the British did to the Irish.
  210. @iffen
    *Although America is not able to talk about this,


    I was thinking the same thing. The Ukraine is virtual recreation of the slave states in 1861.

    Except centuries of different history, different language, etc. And no slavery.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Don't feel bad, sometimes things go right over my head too.
  211. @Anatoly Karlin
    Typical "Yanukovych media" = e.g. Korrespondent, which is mostly factual, but features many sensationalist stories on both Russia and the Ukraine (for clickbait, not ideological, reasons). Highly r-selected comments largely consisting of svidomy and vatniks trolling each other, though it does occasionally purge its Russophile commentariat. Not exactly a tool of Russian influence.

    "True" Ukrainian media = e.g. Censor.net, a deranged svidomy resource jampacked with crazed Ukrainian nationalists who mostly write in Russian. Though there are a few respectable publications here, e.g. Ukrayinska Pravda. One of the very few news websites where you see intelligent Ukrainian language comments.

    There are a few overt Russian-sponsored projects, Ukraina.ru (which the South Russian nationalist Chalenko writes for) comes to mind, but they are marginal on the Ukrainian informational field.

    When I looked at links from Ukraine by Ukraine “experts”, they were often written by or interviews with people from the Yanukovich administration, discussing the post-Maidan situation.

    But there is also Buzina’s newspaper Сегодня, and Вести. The latter has murky links to Yanukovich clan member Victor Polishchuk.

  212. @Mikhail
    Born on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR and elected as Ukraine's president, before being overthrown under coup like circumstances - svido propaganda aside.

    Born on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR and elected as Ukraine’s president

    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Another idiotic comparison:

    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.
     
    The US isn't about ready to elect someone with that background as president. In overall terms, a Ukrainian born person to parents of Belarusian and Russian backgrounds stands to be better accepted in Ukraine, than your example in the US.
    , @iffen
    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.

    Actually, he would be.
  213. @Anonymous
    That 1950s couple was already in the suburbs.

    The people living in cities in the 1950s in the US were the wealthy and working class ethnics, not the middle class. Broad based, American style middle class family prosperity requires suburban sprawl. The suburbs are a precondition of it.

    The white flight in the 60s and 70s was mostly working class and lower middle class white ethnics, not solidly middle class whites.

    The people living in cities in the 1950s in the US were the wealthy and working class ethnics, not the middle class. Broad based, American style middle class family prosperity requires suburban sprawl. The suburbs are a precondition of it.

    It’s interesting that two classic Christmas movies, Miracle on 34th Street and It’s a Wonderful Life, have open in-your-face propaganda of suburbs. Did the developers pay the filmmakers for advertising? Or “a suburban house is the best thing ever” was just a common sentiment of the time? Who knows. It was weird to see because now it’s fashionable to bash them instead.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Good question. The modern classic Christmas movie Home Alone also prominently features a large suburban house. I remember when the movie came out, everyone thought the house was great and wanted to live in it. The traditional "American Dream" of a large house filled with lots of consumer goods is probably tied up with the suburbs because you need a large network of roads and space to distribute so many goods and spacious homes to lots of people.
    , @songbird
    I think It’s a Wonderful Life was meant to be smalltown America, which is distinct from the suburbs. Of course, with the housing development that sort of conflates things, and I could see how you could make an argument anyway.

    I've wondered about the effect that the suburbs have had on Hollywood and entertainment in the West in general. I don't get quite the same vibe from China or Japan.

    Tangentially, if I were one of those rich Chinese billionaires, I'd remake a lot American hits from that period when America was a more optimistic place, for a Chinese audience. I think they would devour it.
  214. @AP
    No, pound for pound Bandera was Lenin-deadly, not Stalin-deadly. Also, his ideology wanted Ukraine clear of Poles and Russians and Jews but was not expansionist nor aggressive towards those peoples not in Ukraine. OUN had cells in Krakow and Warsaw but unlike Chechens in Moscow, didn't kill any civilians there.

    Basically it was a national liberation movement like IRA for the genocidal "Bloodlands."

    Bandera violently sought his vision of an independent Ukraine in a way that included extremely murderous action in WW II, beyond what the IRA actually did on the whole. Hence, it’s quite reasonable to surmise that if Bandera had the resources, he’d be every bit as violent as Stalin pound for pound, if not more so, in pursuing that aim. Bandera like Stalin, also violently opposed opponents otherwise allied to the cause of an independent Ukraine.

    Stalin represented a larger chunk of land in the USSR. He went against those opposing world revolution in a practical way. That pragmatism went into the tail end of WW II and thereafter. His forces didn’t have to pull out of Austria. They did on the basis of an agreement with the West that Austria would be neutral. Instead of really sticking it to Finland, he allowed for a non-Soviet bloc, but neutral Finland. In Greece, he didn’t come to the aid of the Communists there, in order to honor his agreement with the West. The pro-Soviet bloc states in eastern and central Europe were created to better ensure the defense of the USSR against any future attack from the West.

    • Replies: @AP

    Bandera violently sought his vision of an independent Ukraine in a way that included extremely murderous action in WW II, beyond what the IRA actually did on the whole.
     
    As I wrote, it was an Eastern European in 1940s version of IRA.

    Hence, it’s quite reasonable to surmise that if Bandera had the resources, he’d be every bit as violent as Stalin pound for pound
     
    No, he just wanted Poles and Jews out. After Volhynia UPA was as likely to expell them as to kill them.

    In terms of murdered civilians, OUN/UPA killed about 100,000 Poles, 30,000 Jews, and 60,000 Ukrainians (people managing collective farms, commie mayors, "informants" for Soviets and their families). We can round that up to 200,000 in a territory with about 7 million people. Stalin killed about 9 million civilians. USSR population was about 26 times times that of Galicia plus Volhynia, so on a USSR scale OUN/UPA would have killed 5.2 million people. But Stalin killed 9 million people. So Bandera's movement was half as bad as Stalin.

    That pragmatism went into the tail end of WW II and thereafter. His forces didn’t have to pull out of Austria. They did on the basis of an agreement with the West that Austria
     
    And Bandera's movement, unlike Chechens in Moscow, didn't harm any Polish or other civilians living outside Ukrainian ethnographic territory. They only claimed land with a Ukrainian majority and history.
  215. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie, “the Patriarchy” isn’t something that was invented by men.

    “The Patriarchy” was invented by women for women’s benefit.
     
    I don't know about that. It's a factual question that I don't have the information to evaluate.

    You know as well as I do that no woman will be sexually attracted to some loser who earns less than her.
     
    No I really don't know that.

    In the female liberation, no-gender-gap dystopia, that means that 50% of women have no chance to ever have a sexually attractive mate.
     
    I'm going to assume, for the sake of argument, that this is correct, though I don't believe it is. The solution is not to repress women, but to repatriate manufacturing and put a stop to high-skill H1-B type immigration.

    The problem with manosphere crybabies is that they seem to deliberately seek out solutions that will alienate any potential allies, rather than solutions that others will support. I can only conclude that it is an unserious movement of crybabies who want to share their feelings about how they're so hard done by rather than actually accomplishing something to improve men's lives.

    Of course, there is no guarantee that such measures would solve the problem, but you can't possibly know that until you've tried them, and you can't try them until you wrest control of the country for the hostile elite, and you can't wrest control of the country from the hostile elite by threatening and alienating one third of the electorate.

    Men will make do, they always have porn.
     
    Indeed, and how do you know it is not porn that is causing low marriage rates. You average girl can hardly compete with pornstars, and there are data to indicate that men aren't much interested in the average girl.

    Are you a lesbian?
     
    I've been married for twenty years.

    There are still men who do factory and IT jobs in America. Are women beating down their doors to marry them?

    The question is why would factory and IT jobs be the solution here? What’s the mechanism? Is there something about factory and IT work that makes them inherently irresistible to women? Of course not. Women generally do not fantasize about marrying factory and IT workers. Women who can now get money from the government or through jobs and can live independently have the freedom to pursue romantic partners. They no longer have to settle for the factory worker but have the freedom to pursue their fantasies and try to seek higher status men. Countries like Germany that have had kept large manufacturing sectors have still seen declines in the family and fertility.

    The only way having factory and IT jobs for men would work is if women’s economic and social status were lowered below that of male factory and IT workers. Otherwise, they’d just be a bunch of losers working in the factory and in IT. In effect, they would be slaves, who would only work in factories/IT if forced to for basic survival, because dropping out rather than making some other men rich or revolting and trying to impose patriarchy would make more sense.

  216. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Toronto Russian

    The people living in cities in the 1950s in the US were the wealthy and working class ethnics, not the middle class. Broad based, American style middle class family prosperity requires suburban sprawl. The suburbs are a precondition of it.
     
    It's interesting that two classic Christmas movies, Miracle on 34th Street and It's a Wonderful Life, have open in-your-face propaganda of suburbs. Did the developers pay the filmmakers for advertising? Or "a suburban house is the best thing ever" was just a common sentiment of the time? Who knows. It was weird to see because now it's fashionable to bash them instead.

    Good question. The modern classic Christmas movie Home Alone also prominently features a large suburban house. I remember when the movie came out, everyone thought the house was great and wanted to live in it. The traditional “American Dream” of a large house filled with lots of consumer goods is probably tied up with the suburbs because you need a large network of roads and space to distribute so many goods and spacious homes to lots of people.

  217. @AP

    Born on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR and elected as Ukraine’s president
     
    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.

    Another idiotic comparison:

    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.

    The US isn’t about ready to elect someone with that background as president. In overall terms, a Ukrainian born person to parents of Belarusian and Russian backgrounds stands to be better accepted in Ukraine, than your example in the US.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack

    a Ukrainian born person to parents of Belarusian and Russian backgrounds stands to be better accepted in Ukraine, than your example in the US.
     
    I think that this very sorry state of affairs is changing quickly, and hopefully wont repeat itself anytime soon, thanks to the disrespect that Yanukovich exhibited towards Ukrainian culture. Poroshenko, for all of his faults, has show great deference towards the Ukrainian language, culture and religion in spite of his mixed ethnic background. As a Jew, you could learn a thing or two from Poroshenko in this respect, Mickey!
  218. @AP

    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate
     
    LOL. With other bad sources.

    I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don’t quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.
     
    That's the least of what you don't understand.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited
     
    Why should I do your job?

    This isn't about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting).

    No evidence there was something "deliberate" about the change. The speech in Ukraine was flooded with Polish words during hundreds of years of Polish rule, just as the speech in England was flooded with French words after the Norman invasion. Nothing "deliberate" in either case. Those old city names in Ukraine simply preceded Polish rule. So you took a banal and well-known fact (Ukrainian language is loaded with Polish words, as English is with French words and for similar reasons) and added a fantasy to it, commonly held by Russian nationalists, that this was part of a deliberate ploy to differentiate Ukrainian from Russian. Yawn.

    It's why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.

    Why should I do your job?

    Because your criticism of me is invalid and dishonest. And as I said, if you can’t produce names of websites that I ought to use, instead of those that I am using, you are not worth talking to.

    Have a nice day.

  219. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Typical "Yanukovych media" = e.g. Korrespondent, which is mostly factual, but features many sensationalist stories on both Russia and the Ukraine (for clickbait, not ideological, reasons). Highly r-selected comments largely consisting of svidomy and vatniks trolling each other, though it does occasionally purge its Russophile commentariat. Not exactly a tool of Russian influence.

    "True" Ukrainian media = e.g. Censor.net, a deranged svidomy resource jampacked with crazed Ukrainian nationalists who mostly write in Russian. Though there are a few respectable publications here, e.g. Ukrayinska Pravda. One of the very few news websites where you see intelligent Ukrainian language comments.

    There are a few overt Russian-sponsored projects, Ukraina.ru (which the South Russian nationalist Chalenko writes for) comes to mind, but they are marginal on the Ukrainian informational field.

    There are a few overt Russian-sponsored projects, Ukraina.ru (which the South Russian nationalist Chalenko writes for) comes to mind, but they are marginal on the Ukrainian informational field.

    I heard the accusation that Chalenko is an SBU informant… But I would use Ukraina.ru if they published something interesting. At present I am grappling with Polish to translate a funny post from a Polish website.

    I honestly cannot accept the accusation that I only use Russian or Yanukovych (whatever that is) sources only. It is very dishonest, and factually untrue.

  220. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack
    Thanks for the reply - it only consolidates my views about you as being romantically lost in a reality that doesn't exist. Firstly, there is no 'All Russian nation'. At best, it's a political idea that never existed. Reality shows us that separate nations developed out of a medieval conglomeration of often warring principalities know as Rus. You can't recreate something that never existed in the first place - therefore you're trying to push a fairy tale.

    Secondly, I find your admonitions referencing God as comical if not illogical. Doesn't your bio clearly state that you're a 'Russian Orthodox atheist'? This is also clearly a non-sequitur. An atheist cannot be an Orthodox Christian, no matter how hard he tries. Your appeals to a God that you don't believe in are falling on deaf, non-extant ears. It's funny, if not pathetic?

    'Discount Poles' - the only thing that deserves discounting are your opinions regarding the Ukrainian nation. You're really ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters, as I've indicated before, you've never even read one single book related to Ukrainian history. Even Averko has read Subtelny's history! :-)
    '

    ‘Discount Poles’ – the only thing that deserves discounting are your opinions regarding the Ukrainian nation. You’re really ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters…

    Discount Poles is actually a fitting term, and definitely does not come from someone ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters. It is actually very close to defining the essence of Ukrainism.

    Ukrainian nationalism is actually a political movement that aims to create a nation out of a polonised creole culture on the territory of Ukraine.

    And you will not get a better definition anywhere, not even in Subtelny.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Discount Poles is actually a fitting term, and definitely does not come from someone ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters. It is actually very close to defining the essence of Ukrainism.
     
    Another really poor attempt to discredit the Ukrainian national project. Outside of a few loan words, what can you point to to try and substantiate this silly claim? In the pre-modern period, Ukrainian Cossack dress and macho lifestyle gravitated from the east to the Polish west and was known as 'sarmatism'. Even Poland's only real attempt to try and Polanise its Ruthenian (read Ukrainian) subjects by spreading its brand of Christianity to Ukrainian lands totally backfired: the resulting Uniate church became the refuge and stronghold of Ukrainian culture, if not instrumental in the incubation of future Ukrainian nationalists who finally repelled any last vestiges of Polish influence in Ukraine in the early 20th century. Polish literature, similarly to Russian, developed a 'Ukrainian school', devoted to Ukrainian themes, not the other way around.

    I've looked at Karlin's large list of books that he included in his own personal library at his old blog, and not a single book was devoted to Ukrainian subject matter. I can only conclude that he's a severe dilettante in Ukrainian subject matters and must get any if not all of his ideas from second rate Russian (read sovok) website sources (where I believe you do to, at least as far as AP is concerned. :-) )

  221. @AP
    Except centuries of different history, different language, etc. And no slavery.

    Don’t feel bad, sometimes things go right over my head too.

  222. @Anon

    ‘Discount Poles’ – the only thing that deserves discounting are your opinions regarding the Ukrainian nation. You’re really ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters...
     
    Discount Poles is actually a fitting term, and definitely does not come from someone ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters. It is actually very close to defining the essence of Ukrainism.

    Ukrainian nationalism is actually a political movement that aims to create a nation out of a polonised creole culture on the territory of Ukraine.

    And you will not get a better definition anywhere, not even in Subtelny.

    Discount Poles is actually a fitting term, and definitely does not come from someone ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters. It is actually very close to defining the essence of Ukrainism.

    Another really poor attempt to discredit the Ukrainian national project. Outside of a few loan words, what can you point to to try and substantiate this silly claim? In the pre-modern period, Ukrainian Cossack dress and macho lifestyle gravitated from the east to the Polish west and was known as ‘sarmatism’. Even Poland’s only real attempt to try and Polanise its Ruthenian (read Ukrainian) subjects by spreading its brand of Christianity to Ukrainian lands totally backfired: the resulting Uniate church became the refuge and stronghold of Ukrainian culture, if not instrumental in the incubation of future Ukrainian nationalists who finally repelled any last vestiges of Polish influence in Ukraine in the early 20th century. Polish literature, similarly to Russian, developed a ‘Ukrainian school’, devoted to Ukrainian themes, not the other way around.

    I’ve looked at Karlin’s large list of books that he included in his own personal library at his old blog, and not a single book was devoted to Ukrainian subject matter. I can only conclude that he’s a severe dilettante in Ukrainian subject matters and must get any if not all of his ideas from second rate Russian (read sovok) website sources (where I believe you do to, at least as far as AP is concerned. 🙂 )

    • Replies: @Anon
    Ukrainian peasants remained enserfed under Polish nobles way into the nineteenth century, when the first ideas that latter crystalised into Ukrainian nationalism appeared. Also, the Uniate Church was common in Polish controlled areas, hence it was a perfect representation of the polonised creole culture that I talk about. Ukraine cannot jettison the Polish influence because in that case her existence as a separate entity from the Russians would be put in question.

    I personally do not try to discredit the Ukrainian national project. The Ukrainian national project successfully parasited upon Russia's weakness throughout the twentieth century, it was helped into existence by such friends of Russia as the Austrians, the Bolsheviks, and the Americans. And it is likely not going away. Ukraine the state however is not a very successful national project. But don't worry, Czechoslovakia also was a failure.

    It does not mean, Ukraine will not exist 100 years from now but it may undergo further transformations, the like we have seen in 2014.
  223. @Mikhail
    Another idiotic comparison:

    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.
     
    The US isn't about ready to elect someone with that background as president. In overall terms, a Ukrainian born person to parents of Belarusian and Russian backgrounds stands to be better accepted in Ukraine, than your example in the US.

    a Ukrainian born person to parents of Belarusian and Russian backgrounds stands to be better accepted in Ukraine, than your example in the US.

    I think that this very sorry state of affairs is changing quickly, and hopefully wont repeat itself anytime soon, thanks to the disrespect that Yanukovich exhibited towards Ukrainian culture. Poroshenko, for all of his faults, has show great deference towards the Ukrainian language, culture and religion in spite of his mixed ethnic background. As a Jew, you could learn a thing or two from Poroshenko in this respect, Mickey!

    • Replies: @Mikhail

    I think that this very sorry state of affairs is changing quickly, and hopefully wont repeat itself anytime soon, thanks to the disrespect that Yanukovich exhibited towards Ukrainian culture. Poroshenko, for all of his faults, has show great deference towards the Ukrainian language, culture and religion in spite of his mixed ethnic background. As a Jew, you could learn a thing or two from Poroshenko in this respect, Mickey!

     

    So sez you. Poroshenko exhibits disrespect to the pro-Russian view among Ukrainians and others in the former Ukrainian SSR. Yanukovych (his faults aside) wasn't anti-Ukrainian. I can see why the svidos oppose him.

    Being Jewish and/or having a mixed background doesn't automatically pertain to how someone views these matters.
  224. @AP

    Born on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR and elected as Ukraine’s president
     
    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.

    Yeah, and a half Honduran, half-Mexican guy born in a Spanish-speaking border city like El PAso is just as much an American as a typical Iowan.

    Actually, he would be.

  225. @AP

    I do not publish any information that I do not corroborate
     
    LOL. With other bad sources.

    I do not use only Russian media as a source, and don’t quite understand what constitutes Yanukovich media.
     
    That's the least of what you don't understand.

    But you can suggest the sources I can use if you think my range is limited
     
    Why should I do your job?

    This isn't about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting).

    No evidence there was something "deliberate" about the change. The speech in Ukraine was flooded with Polish words during hundreds of years of Polish rule, just as the speech in England was flooded with French words after the Norman invasion. Nothing "deliberate" in either case. Those old city names in Ukraine simply preceded Polish rule. So you took a banal and well-known fact (Ukrainian language is loaded with Polish words, as English is with French words and for similar reasons) and added a fantasy to it, commonly held by Russian nationalists, that this was part of a deliberate ploy to differentiate Ukrainian from Russian. Yawn.

    It's why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.

    This isn’t about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting)…It’s why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.

    I totally agree with your assessment of this ‘Czech’s’ latest addition to his ‘new’ butthurting blog. You’ve actually done him the service of summarizing his ‘findings’ and coming up with a conclusion, because he doesn’t seem bright enough to do so himself (he doesn’t actually come out and claim that ‘there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish’ but this most probably is what he was aiming to achieve with his ‘brilliant’ latest installment),

    I think that I’ll allow this ‘Insomniac’ to wallow away in his own bed of unresolved domestic ethnic conundrums. As far as his resurrection is concerned, I feel it’s best to allow sleeping dogs to lie! 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon

    he doesn’t actually come out and claim that ‘there was conscious Polonization
     
    However, can you prove that the Polish form was not consciously chosen by Ukrainian language creators over the Russian form? I am fine with the knowledge that it was a common form used among Ukrainians but that would mean you fail to counterargument my claim of historical polonisation.

    I think it is your svidomite ass, and AP's that looks stupid trying to counterargument "Discount Poles". I have the evidence, what do you have?

    , @Anon
    Also it is said here that the English language has a heavy French influence. Somehow I do not see the the English denying that. Also, nobody would call the English discount French because they are cool with who they are.

    So why does the imbecile Mr. Hack try to deny Polish influence on Ukrainian language? The "Discount Poles" label really isn't that far off the mark.
  226. @AP

    A part of the UNDP polls are also from the Yanuk. era and their results do not really differ from the results of the pre-Yanuk. era polls from 2009.
     
    Which ones and where? Was that in your post?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd0XalKUIAALhHO.jpg

    You see a solid majority of Crimeans wanting to join Russia in all years except those when an ethnic Russian, Yanukovich, ruled Ukraine. And even then, 25% to 41% wanted to do so.

    Only outlier was the Russian Human Rights Council Poll in 2014.

    UNDP 2009 Q3 and UNDP 2009 Q4.

    Yanuk. was elected in Q1/2010.

    Russophile sentiments did basically not change between Q3/Q4 2009 and Q/4 2011 despite Yanuk’s rule.

    Only outlier was the Russian Human Rights Council Poll in 2014.

    The other outliner are McCain’s IRL and Kiev’s KIIS.

  227. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Discount Poles is actually a fitting term, and definitely does not come from someone ill equipped to discuss Ukrainian matters. It is actually very close to defining the essence of Ukrainism.
     
    Another really poor attempt to discredit the Ukrainian national project. Outside of a few loan words, what can you point to to try and substantiate this silly claim? In the pre-modern period, Ukrainian Cossack dress and macho lifestyle gravitated from the east to the Polish west and was known as 'sarmatism'. Even Poland's only real attempt to try and Polanise its Ruthenian (read Ukrainian) subjects by spreading its brand of Christianity to Ukrainian lands totally backfired: the resulting Uniate church became the refuge and stronghold of Ukrainian culture, if not instrumental in the incubation of future Ukrainian nationalists who finally repelled any last vestiges of Polish influence in Ukraine in the early 20th century. Polish literature, similarly to Russian, developed a 'Ukrainian school', devoted to Ukrainian themes, not the other way around.

    I've looked at Karlin's large list of books that he included in his own personal library at his old blog, and not a single book was devoted to Ukrainian subject matter. I can only conclude that he's a severe dilettante in Ukrainian subject matters and must get any if not all of his ideas from second rate Russian (read sovok) website sources (where I believe you do to, at least as far as AP is concerned. :-) )

    Ukrainian peasants remained enserfed under Polish nobles way into the nineteenth century, when the first ideas that latter crystalised into Ukrainian nationalism appeared. Also, the Uniate Church was common in Polish controlled areas, hence it was a perfect representation of the polonised creole culture that I talk about. Ukraine cannot jettison the Polish influence because in that case her existence as a separate entity from the Russians would be put in question.

    I personally do not try to discredit the Ukrainian national project. The Ukrainian national project successfully parasited upon Russia’s weakness throughout the twentieth century, it was helped into existence by such friends of Russia as the Austrians, the Bolsheviks, and the Americans. And it is likely not going away. Ukraine the state however is not a very successful national project. But don’t worry, Czechoslovakia also was a failure.

    It does not mean, Ukraine will not exist 100 years from now but it may undergo further transformations, the like we have seen in 2014.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Ukrainian peasants remained enserfed under Polish nobles way into the nineteenth century, when the first ideas that latter crystalised into Ukrainian nationalism appeared.
     
    Total nonsense and betrays your own ignorance of Ukrainian history. The Ukrainian idea, in a modern sense, first appeared in Eastern and Central Ukraine during the early 19th century and then migrated to the West to areas that were under Polish control. More proof that you don't know what you're talking about and why AP has correctly characterized you and your 'resurrected' blog as being a 'waste of time'. Everything that follows in your reply is additional BS that stems from your miscue in your opening sentence.

    Ukraine cannot jettison the Polish influence because in that case her existence as a separate entity from the Russians would be put in question.
     
    I don't know how you define 'jettison', but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren't a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening 'Polish influence' in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T....., er, I mean Insomniac. :-)
  228. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    This isn’t about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting)...It’s why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.
     
    I totally agree with your assessment of this 'Czech's' latest addition to his 'new' butthurting blog. You've actually done him the service of summarizing his 'findings' and coming up with a conclusion, because he doesn't seem bright enough to do so himself (he doesn't actually come out and claim that 'there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish' but this most probably is what he was aiming to achieve with his 'brilliant' latest installment),

    I think that I'll allow this 'Insomniac' to wallow away in his own bed of unresolved domestic ethnic conundrums. As far as his resurrection is concerned, I feel it's best to allow sleeping dogs to lie! :-)

    he doesn’t actually come out and claim that ‘there was conscious Polonization

    However, can you prove that the Polish form was not consciously chosen by Ukrainian language creators over the Russian form? I am fine with the knowledge that it was a common form used among Ukrainians but that would mean you fail to counterargument my claim of historical polonisation.

    I think it is your svidomite ass, and AP’s that looks stupid trying to counterargument “Discount Poles”. I have the evidence, what do you have?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack

    However, can you prove that the Polish form was not consciously chosen by Ukrainian language creators over the Russian form?
     
    Why should I have to prove that something 'was not' when you haven't even proved that something 'was'? Another ridiculous notion coming from the mill of the fantastic world of 'what wasn't and what was' according to a delusional Insomniac? :-)
    , @AP

    However, can you prove that the Polish form was not consciously chosen by Ukrainian language creators over the Russian form?
     
    Well, if the goal were a more "Polish" product the basis of the Ukrainian language would have been the Galician dialect, or at least the speech in Volhynia (the most Polish part of the Russian Empire Ukraine). Instead, the Poltava dialect was chosen, because it was the most ethnically pure Ukrainian region (see the Russian census of 1897). So the primary motivation was purity.
  229. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    This isn’t about sources, but take your most recent post, where you claim there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish but old city names in Ukraine use horod instead (I see nobody bothered commenting)...It’s why your blog is a waste of time, unless one wants to know what gullible pro-Russian people think about Ukraine.
     
    I totally agree with your assessment of this 'Czech's' latest addition to his 'new' butthurting blog. You've actually done him the service of summarizing his 'findings' and coming up with a conclusion, because he doesn't seem bright enough to do so himself (he doesn't actually come out and claim that 'there was conscious Polonization because the Ukrainian word for city, misto, is like Polish' but this most probably is what he was aiming to achieve with his 'brilliant' latest installment),

    I think that I'll allow this 'Insomniac' to wallow away in his own bed of unresolved domestic ethnic conundrums. As far as his resurrection is concerned, I feel it's best to allow sleeping dogs to lie! :-)

    Also it is said here that the English language has a heavy French influence. Somehow I do not see the the English denying that. Also, nobody would call the English discount French because they are cool with who they are.

    So why does the imbecile Mr. Hack try to deny Polish influence on Ukrainian language? The “Discount Poles” label really isn’t that far off the mark.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So why does the imbecile Mr. Hack try to deny Polish influence on Ukrainian language?
     
    For the record, I'm not denying the Polish influence on the Ukrainian language. Anything else up your empty sleeve, Insomniac? (you really need some sleeping pills. Cannabis often enough causes anxiety in its users making sleep difficult).
  230. @Anon
    Ukrainian peasants remained enserfed under Polish nobles way into the nineteenth century, when the first ideas that latter crystalised into Ukrainian nationalism appeared. Also, the Uniate Church was common in Polish controlled areas, hence it was a perfect representation of the polonised creole culture that I talk about. Ukraine cannot jettison the Polish influence because in that case her existence as a separate entity from the Russians would be put in question.

    I personally do not try to discredit the Ukrainian national project. The Ukrainian national project successfully parasited upon Russia's weakness throughout the twentieth century, it was helped into existence by such friends of Russia as the Austrians, the Bolsheviks, and the Americans. And it is likely not going away. Ukraine the state however is not a very successful national project. But don't worry, Czechoslovakia also was a failure.

    It does not mean, Ukraine will not exist 100 years from now but it may undergo further transformations, the like we have seen in 2014.

    Ukrainian peasants remained enserfed under Polish nobles way into the nineteenth century, when the first ideas that latter crystalised into Ukrainian nationalism appeared.

    Total nonsense and betrays your own ignorance of Ukrainian history. The Ukrainian idea, in a modern sense, first appeared in Eastern and Central Ukraine during the early 19th century and then migrated to the West to areas that were under Polish control. More proof that you don’t know what you’re talking about and why AP has correctly characterized you and your ‘resurrected’ blog as being a ‘waste of time’. Everything that follows in your reply is additional BS that stems from your miscue in your opening sentence.

    Ukraine cannot jettison the Polish influence because in that case her existence as a separate entity from the Russians would be put in question.

    I don’t know how you define ‘jettison’, but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren’t a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening ‘Polish influence’ in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T….., er, I mean Insomniac. 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon

    The Ukrainian idea, in a modern sense, first appeared in Eastern and Central Ukraine
     
    Weren't Polish nobles over there? As far as I know, the Russian Empire did not remove Polish nobility. So I don't get where I'm wrong. I did not say anything about where the Ukrainian idea appeared. You are trying to catch me on something I did not even say, only shows how stupid you are.

    I don’t know how you define ‘jettison’, but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren’t a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening ‘Polish influence’
     
    The aforementioned English also had 100 years of war with the French, and still don't deny French influence upon their asses. Your neurotic attempts to deny the obvious are quite funny to me.
    , @Gerard2

    I don’t know how you define ‘jettison’, but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren’t a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening ‘Polish influence’ in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T….., er, I mean Insomnia
     
    c.

    The answer is simple...Poland, a country of limited culture, an abysmal amount of achievements, chooses to be more anti-Russia, then anti ukro-Nazi. How does that disprove the excellent Anon, you cretin?

    Joint activities in WW2 did not help the Soviet's with the Brits and Americans you thick dipshit.

    Poles have tried the same BS in Belarus you idiot

    There is simply no such thing as "Ukrainian" you dipshit- just some bastardised, discredited and irrelevant form of failed Polish imperialism
  231. @Anon
    Also it is said here that the English language has a heavy French influence. Somehow I do not see the the English denying that. Also, nobody would call the English discount French because they are cool with who they are.

    So why does the imbecile Mr. Hack try to deny Polish influence on Ukrainian language? The "Discount Poles" label really isn't that far off the mark.

    So why does the imbecile Mr. Hack try to deny Polish influence on Ukrainian language?

    For the record, I’m not denying the Polish influence on the Ukrainian language. Anything else up your empty sleeve, Insomniac? (you really need some sleeping pills. Cannabis often enough causes anxiety in its users making sleep difficult).

    • Replies: @Anon

    For the record, I’m not denying the Polish influence on the Ukrainian language.
     
    Are you not? But how did it appear then? OH NO! POLONISATON!
  232. @Anon

    he doesn’t actually come out and claim that ‘there was conscious Polonization
     
    However, can you prove that the Polish form was not consciously chosen by Ukrainian language creators over the Russian form? I am fine with the knowledge that it was a common form used among Ukrainians but that would mean you fail to counterargument my claim of historical polonisation.

    I think it is your svidomite ass, and AP's that looks stupid trying to counterargument "Discount Poles". I have the evidence, what do you have?

    However, can you prove that the Polish form was not consciously chosen by Ukrainian language creators over the Russian form?

    Why should I have to prove that something ‘was not’ when you haven’t even proved that something ‘was’? Another ridiculous notion coming from the mill of the fantastic world of ‘what wasn’t and what was’ according to a delusional Insomniac? 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon

    Why should I have to prove that something ‘was not’ when you haven’t even proved that something ‘was’?
     
    Indeed, I did not prove anything, I just suggested that it is strange when Ukrainian cities bear one name, and the language uses another. As if there was a process of historic polonisation, or even better, there could have been a conscious polonisation with the aim to make Ukrainian different from Russia at any any expense?

    So which is it? You seem triggered by both notions, and I'm loving it.
  233. Look Luis, I have to get ready and go to work and don’t have time to be your playpal right now. Why don’t you get Averko to comment at your blog and the two of you unemployed bums can give each other high fives and back pats all day long? BTW, how’s your Bohemian gardening going – any new strains of bud that you’ll be soon endorsing within ‘High Times’?…:-)

    • Replies: @Anon

    Look Luis, I have to get ready and go to work and don’t have time to be your playpal right now.
     
    Enjoy being a wage slave, I personally don't have to work and can still pay for everything. This is the difference between bums like you and bums like me.
    , @Mikhail

    Look Luis, I have to get ready and go to work and don’t have time to be your playpal right now. Why don’t you get Averko to comment at your blog and the two of you unemployed bums can give each other high fives and back pats all day long? BTW, how’s your Bohemian gardening going – any new strains of bud that you’ll be soon endorsing within ‘High Times’?…:-)
     
    Asked with some trepidation, work as what? Your trolling attempt to get personal info is duly noted. You're the anonymous coward here.
  234. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    However, can you prove that the Polish form was not consciously chosen by Ukrainian language creators over the Russian form?
     
    Why should I have to prove that something 'was not' when you haven't even proved that something 'was'? Another ridiculous notion coming from the mill of the fantastic world of 'what wasn't and what was' according to a delusional Insomniac? :-)

    Why should I have to prove that something ‘was not’ when you haven’t even proved that something ‘was’?

    Indeed, I did not prove anything, I just suggested that it is strange when Ukrainian cities bear one name, and the language uses another. As if there was a process of historic polonisation, or even better, there could have been a conscious polonisation with the aim to make Ukrainian different from Russia at any any expense?

    So which is it? You seem triggered by both notions, and I’m loving it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I

    just suggested that it is strange when Ukrainian cities bear one name, and the language uses another.
     
    Not in all Ukrainian cities. And even those where the Russian language is prominent due to centuies of Russification, the Russian idea ha lost terribly - it's common knowledge that many Ukrainian Russian speakers look down upon Russia and its current policies.
  235. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Ukrainian peasants remained enserfed under Polish nobles way into the nineteenth century, when the first ideas that latter crystalised into Ukrainian nationalism appeared.
     
    Total nonsense and betrays your own ignorance of Ukrainian history. The Ukrainian idea, in a modern sense, first appeared in Eastern and Central Ukraine during the early 19th century and then migrated to the West to areas that were under Polish control. More proof that you don't know what you're talking about and why AP has correctly characterized you and your 'resurrected' blog as being a 'waste of time'. Everything that follows in your reply is additional BS that stems from your miscue in your opening sentence.

    Ukraine cannot jettison the Polish influence because in that case her existence as a separate entity from the Russians would be put in question.
     
    I don't know how you define 'jettison', but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren't a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening 'Polish influence' in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T....., er, I mean Insomniac. :-)

    The Ukrainian idea, in a modern sense, first appeared in Eastern and Central Ukraine

    Weren’t Polish nobles over there? As far as I know, the Russian Empire did not remove Polish nobility. So I don’t get where I’m wrong. I did not say anything about where the Ukrainian idea appeared. You are trying to catch me on something I did not even say, only shows how stupid you are.

    I don’t know how you define ‘jettison’, but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren’t a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening ‘Polish influence’

    The aforementioned English also had 100 years of war with the French, and still don’t deny French influence upon their asses. Your neurotic attempts to deny the obvious are quite funny to me.

  236. @Mr. Hack

    So why does the imbecile Mr. Hack try to deny Polish influence on Ukrainian language?
     
    For the record, I'm not denying the Polish influence on the Ukrainian language. Anything else up your empty sleeve, Insomniac? (you really need some sleeping pills. Cannabis often enough causes anxiety in its users making sleep difficult).

    For the record, I’m not denying the Polish influence on the Ukrainian language.

    Are you not? But how did it appear then? OH NO! POLONISATON!

  237. @Mr. Hack

    Ukrainian peasants remained enserfed under Polish nobles way into the nineteenth century, when the first ideas that latter crystalised into Ukrainian nationalism appeared.
     
    Total nonsense and betrays your own ignorance of Ukrainian history. The Ukrainian idea, in a modern sense, first appeared in Eastern and Central Ukraine during the early 19th century and then migrated to the West to areas that were under Polish control. More proof that you don't know what you're talking about and why AP has correctly characterized you and your 'resurrected' blog as being a 'waste of time'. Everything that follows in your reply is additional BS that stems from your miscue in your opening sentence.

    Ukraine cannot jettison the Polish influence because in that case her existence as a separate entity from the Russians would be put in question.
     
    I don't know how you define 'jettison', but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren't a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening 'Polish influence' in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T....., er, I mean Insomniac. :-)

    I don’t know how you define ‘jettison’, but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren’t a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening ‘Polish influence’ in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T….., er, I mean Insomnia

    c.

    The answer is simple…Poland, a country of limited culture, an abysmal amount of achievements, chooses to be more anti-Russia, then anti ukro-Nazi. How does that disprove the excellent Anon, you cretin?

    Joint activities in WW2 did not help the Soviet’s with the Brits and Americans you thick dipshit.

    Poles have tried the same BS in Belarus you idiot

    There is simply no such thing as “Ukrainian” you dipshit- just some bastardised, discredited and irrelevant form of failed Polish imperialism

    • Replies: @Anon

    There is simply no such thing as “Ukrainian” you dipshit- just some bastardised, discredited and irrelevant form of failed Polish imperialism
     
    The Bolsheviks made bloody sure there is something like Ukrainian today. It is not healthy denying the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians. They are here.
    , @Mr. Hack
    You don't provide an answer to my question posed in the quotation of mine that you're trying to respond to. If Ukrainians were so enamored withe the Polish language and culture, why did they act so mercilessly to Poles in the early- mid 20th century? Neither you nor Luis can provide an answer and so skirt the issue.
  238. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Hack
    Look Luis, I have to get ready and go to work and don't have time to be your playpal right now. Why don't you get Averko to comment at your blog and the two of you unemployed bums can give each other high fives and back pats all day long? BTW, how's your Bohemian gardening going - any new strains of bud that you'll be soon endorsing within 'High Times'?...:-)

    Look Luis, I have to get ready and go to work and don’t have time to be your playpal right now.

    Enjoy being a wage slave, I personally don’t have to work and can still pay for everything. This is the difference between bums like you and bums like me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    Living on mama's dacha in Bohemia probably doesn't take much coin I'm guessing, does she still wash your clothes too? :-)
  239. @Gerard2

    I don’t know how you define ‘jettison’, but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren’t a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening ‘Polish influence’ in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T….., er, I mean Insomnia
     
    c.

    The answer is simple...Poland, a country of limited culture, an abysmal amount of achievements, chooses to be more anti-Russia, then anti ukro-Nazi. How does that disprove the excellent Anon, you cretin?

    Joint activities in WW2 did not help the Soviet's with the Brits and Americans you thick dipshit.

    Poles have tried the same BS in Belarus you idiot

    There is simply no such thing as "Ukrainian" you dipshit- just some bastardised, discredited and irrelevant form of failed Polish imperialism

    There is simply no such thing as “Ukrainian” you dipshit- just some bastardised, discredited and irrelevant form of failed Polish imperialism

    The Bolsheviks made bloody sure there is something like Ukrainian today. It is not healthy denying the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians. They are here.

  240. @Anon

    Look Luis, I have to get ready and go to work and don’t have time to be your playpal right now.
     
    Enjoy being a wage slave, I personally don't have to work and can still pay for everything. This is the difference between bums like you and bums like me.

    Living on mama’s dacha in Bohemia probably doesn’t take much coin I’m guessing, does she still wash your clothes too? 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon

    I’m guessing, does she still wash your clothes too?
     
    Yeah, and I pay her bills... and that's a great life.
  241. @Anon

    Why should I have to prove that something ‘was not’ when you haven’t even proved that something ‘was’?
     
    Indeed, I did not prove anything, I just suggested that it is strange when Ukrainian cities bear one name, and the language uses another. As if there was a process of historic polonisation, or even better, there could have been a conscious polonisation with the aim to make Ukrainian different from Russia at any any expense?

    So which is it? You seem triggered by both notions, and I'm loving it.

    I

    just suggested that it is strange when Ukrainian cities bear one name, and the language uses another.

    Not in all Ukrainian cities. And even those where the Russian language is prominent due to centuies of Russification, the Russian idea ha lost terribly – it’s common knowledge that many Ukrainian Russian speakers look down upon Russia and its current policies.

    • Replies: @Anon

    And even those where the Russian language is prominent due to centuies of Russification
     
    Like Uzhhorod? How many centuries of Muscovite rule can you count?
  242. @Gerard2

    I don’t know how you define ‘jettison’, but OUN/UPA operations in Volhynia and to a lesser extent in Galicia in the early 20th century certainly weren’t a friendly endorsement or sentimental prelude to strengthening ‘Polish influence’ in Ukraine, as you so glibly assert. Only prolonged years of sucking on a bong could help promote such outlandish statements..T….., er, I mean Insomnia
     
    c.

    The answer is simple...Poland, a country of limited culture, an abysmal amount of achievements, chooses to be more anti-Russia, then anti ukro-Nazi. How does that disprove the excellent Anon, you cretin?

    Joint activities in WW2 did not help the Soviet's with the Bri